moses, SPUNJ, and YNk are Talking Counter as the Shanghai Major playoffs come into focus. It’s been 30 days in a Bucharest hotel, and we’re losing our minds. Join our Discord to discuss the episode with other viewers! https://discord.gg/bPJF5mGE 00:00 Intro (has some light cs talk) 7:00 CS Talk 1:22:15 Jason tilts Chad off the planet
Chapter 1: What is discussed in the intro?
Alright, we're live. We're recording.
Chapter 2: What are the highlights of the Shanghai Major playoffs?
If the test recordings made the internet, would we be cancelled?
Probably. Probably. Maybe on this one, not this one. This one was kind of safe.
This one was safe. We would not be canceled, but a can of worms would indeed be opened. That would have been the end for some. Not us, though. Okay. Not us, though. Tell me about these worms, Janko. But not today, Satan. Not today. Oh, dear. Maybe, you know, we'll see. It will open eventually.
The can is very close to being opened.
It's like a time capsule. It's like a Pandora's box. You don't know when it'll come out. We never know when we'll check.
We didn't set the date. No. It's just in there. Yeah. And one day we're going to remember.
But before then, we might forget all the things inside the box.
that'll happen but there's a lot of us who have put things inside the box so i feel like collectively as a unit okay we might have like a collective memory uh and would unlock each other's yeah and it would and we could build upon it okay we could rebuild it yanko how is that grape juice
No, that's a glass of red wine, Chad. Technically, it's grape juice.
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Chapter 3: How do players feel about 10-mans?
Alex was using it as banter.
It was after the 10-man, and I went down, and everyone had a drink after the 10-mans. And before the 10-mans. And before the 10-mans. And we did a round of shots, and Alex didn't want one, so I told him I thought he was being a pussy.
10-mans are pretty different after the alcohol.
We have to ban 10-mans, I think, from this group. I don't play them.
I know you don't. I go out of it as well. It's actually the worst experience playing Counter-Strike in my life. He's not holding any punches.
It's just... The worst. Like, comparable to all experiences. Like, you're talking about... To be honest, I don't really... Four non-communicative Russians in face.
I don't touch solo queues. I don't touch solo queues. But... It would have been better, I think. Not better. It would have been less bad because I could just shut out, you know, turn off and just run around and do the same. Be another just... Be another incommunicado Russian. Right?
But this way, you know, trying to communicate with people or people like the stuff our colleagues do in 10 Mans, like... Yeah, not for me, dog. I'm good.
I'm good. I played one face yesterday and I solo queue because I can't play with like the Harry's and Alex's or Hugo's or whatever because I think I can play with Hugo now. I think he's got his elo up but the disparity is too big. So it works out that if we play, we lose.
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Chapter 4: What are the issues with team dynamics in Counter-Strike?
Other than cheaters, then you got baited.
Yeah, we got two cheaters in our games the other night, and I just haven't played Counter-Strike since.
You can't play the official game.
What's so sad is it happened so quickly, too. It was round four, and I just had an AWP, and I killed one on the cross, and then I assumed one was pushing lower B, so as I went in on Dust2 to upper B, I just cleared the angle with the AWP and killed him, and they immediately called me a cheater, and then the next round and every single round was just...
blatant yeah i've seen i saw a video on my instagram when i was because i've been doing a lot of doom scrolling right there's so many hours in these days at the moment it's fucking insane so the doom scroll is at an all-time high like i've become full yeah my life feels like it's over and i was doing something the other day and it showed like the perspective of what the cheaters look like and i'm looking at this thing like what like it's full third person all the crazy menus the color everything i like they're just they're playing a different game i don't know what the fuck they're doing but it's like i don't know how anybody's enjoying their time
No, I can't imagine it. And just the fact that you get so tilted after like one round and then just start cheating. And it's like, well, I mean, you just, you're just always going to suck at this game. So that's why you're always going to have to cheat.
It did. Like there was a period where it was rampant. Then it tapered off for a hot minute. And now it's like gone back up. It's like every time we go, all right, you know, let's go play like a premier. And then you play premier. I was like, fuck.
I haven't got a cheater in like two weeks. It's all good. Yeah.
And then you go and you go play. All right, fuck it. We'll go play comp. Surely nobody cares about cheating and comp. The only thing you get is a shitty rank. And then you go and you play comp and they're there. Yeah. What?
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Chapter 5: How does communication affect gameplay?
Is Spirit the team in the major who relies the most on carry performances to win?
Got real serious all of a sudden, didn't I? I would say yes. I'm trying to just consider your question and what other teams would I consider.
I would say yes. I mean, you're saying they have the weakest, let's say, structure and team play out of and need more individual performances. And they really only have two individuals who can... Even the second individual isn't always there on the T-side.
He plays passers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's probably fair. to say at this point in time, because probably the second name you would put there is G2, but even they have more structure and look better. They look much better as a team, much, much better. And also they have more players who can do it. So it's not like, oh yeah, we need Niko and Moise. You know, like Malbz and Hunter. Hunter played well today.
yeah and even snacks is having a really good impact he had great i told you i said this in some episode when we talked about snack i said he's not a bad player he's a guy who's playing with zero confidence and you see that clutch the one v2 and him doing the thing and playing around that's a dude who has his confidence he's got some swagger lo and behold all of a sudden his stats are he had that disgusting 2v5 with nico today oh that was crazy that was you would have been asleep huh yeah his scout shot has been smooth for me i've slept through all g2 games no stress
The first three rounds, so come in, me and Alex, we're both a little bit under the weather. I'm recovering from a cold. I think Alex is in the middle of a, I woke up, I got a droopy eye. I'm like, I'm having a stroke. It's all over. Probably just a stye. We'll find out. Anyway, so things are miserable. We're not feeling great. We go in, we're like, nah, don't worry about it. We've got a sick game.
G2 versus FaZe. This will get us going. This will fire us the fuck up. Pistol rounds, a banana rush as G2 runs down mid. It's like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, right? Sick. Okay, cool. It's high octane. Next round, forced by. G2 running down mid again. They're getting stuck in on Inferno. Brokey takes down three. I've gone. It's all over. He's called three. But that's it.
They've dealt with that four spy. Next minute. Bang. Snacks with a scout kill. Niko one digging banana. I'm like, hold up a second. Rops trundling through apartments with an MP7 or some shit. Snacks has repossed from top mid. He's end of halls. USP in hand. Rops is shooting 15 bullets with an SMG. Does almost like no damage. Bang, bang, bang, bang. Snacks kills him with a USB.
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Chapter 6: What are the players' thoughts on crowd reactions?
Five, yeah. Yeah. I think also for that game in particular, I mean, G2 has always beat FaZe in groups like this year and maybe even a little bit longer than that. Perhaps they even met in playoffs in one tournament and they beat them.
They played twice with this roster.
Yeah, in general, they have the upper hand. So even if FaZe was... not struggling as much as they are. I still think it would go to G2, but yeah, for it to be this dominant, I think it feels great for G2. I mean, after the stumble against Mongols and some silly rounds in a best-of-one, they just ran through everybody else, like, no problems whatsoever.
Nico played well, Monty played well. Actually, everybody played well. They all played well. There wasn't a single player on that team that didn't have a good showing today. And you can say part of it was FaZe looking flat, but the other part of it was G2, like, ready to play. They weren't fucking around. There was always an idea. The comms were flowing.
Did you do the FaZe-Miles game?
yesterday no no no yeah that's funny how did FaZe beat Maus because I Harry and Hugo did it I watched them against Heroic and it was like bro so according to Alex he spoke to them he said one of them either Harry or Hugo told Alex that like Ropz was really active Ropz was really and he top fragged that map
all right so i guess like some proactive nature from rops but i didn't see it we were casting something else because that was pretty surprising i mean well yeah i sat here i said i did the vanilla pickems but i'm worried for phase and tomorrow it's phase fury and i said i might i i wanted to swap phase yeah for furia but i didn't and they play each other tomorrow carrigan versus fallen one more time bro did you see any of the pain furia game yeah
Did you see the last?
Oh my god.
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Chapter 7: What strategies do teams use in high-pressure matches?
No, but I saw it. Two really good teams. Average teams fighting.
No, I saw, I watched, I had both streams running at once. So I was watching both games at once and I saw both those rounds and I was like, what is going on? And then they still closed it. Like, Furia still closed it. The kind of fun thing I was thinking about that was, but if Pain had beaten Furia, they most likely would have played MIBR.
And you've been having this conversation about like the best in Brazil. And that would have been like the trifecta. If Payne had come out on top, that would have been a cool way to kind of settle it for the playoffs. And it would have been sick for Brazil to have those matches.
Honestly, it feels like the Americas RMR is just like never ended. I feel like the entire tournament, there's just been America's teams playing against each other's frequently.
Well, that's just because of the sheer amount of teams that came through the opening stage that weren't of European descent.
And now, because we've had Liquid and the Mongols already locked themselves in for the playoffs, that means the next major, even though it's going to be different with 32 teams, will remember to be that the team starting in the top 16, so the eight European teams, will only be...
six and it could be less so you have one asian team which is crazy to think about but you still have a chance for fury to make it through that would take another and mibr well actually that is going to be a hard match for them it's impossible they start one can beat phase but mibr versus uh mouse they start one map down because of mirage there's no way they played like ass today as well i was they were so disappointed they were way worse than like they looked at the rmr they were so lost on t-side bro like but their mirage sucks bad reaction even on anubis bad reactions slow reactions
And like... If they hadn't won the pistol, it should have been like 10-2 for... And like none of their T-sides could contain Liquid just pushing like literally 80% of the rounds that were being played. There was always a push coming from somewhere.
Well, Justin had to bail him out early, right? Justin had two big 3K rounds. He had that 1v1 that ended up after drop fucking fumbled running away from a main.
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Chapter 8: What are the predictions for upcoming matches?
But still, they're so fortunate with their draw because they have looked tough at every...
They played some tough teams, but the two teams they beat to get there are not anything to be super proud of.
Which tough team did they play? They played Na'Vi. Na'Vi, the best one, which they lost.
Yeah, that's what I mean. They played some tough teams.
But they didn't beat any tough teams.
I think Fury is tougher than people give them credit for. They're just up and down.
But they're also like Liquid's bitch.
They do have Fury as a number, yeah.
That's like G2 and Spirit. I'm with you. But I think also for Liquid, that's the problem. You watch that Nuke game, and you watch their T side, and you're like... What the fuck was that? Oh, man. You know, it was 6-6 at the half, 3-0, 9-6. Okay, you lose the round. And then they did this thing, like, they didn't force buy after that to try to get the reset.
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