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Hermès
So I don't know if you realize this, Hermes is reporting earnings in like two days. Yes. And at first I was like, we should probably not do this episode because their annual report comes out in two days. What if we're not current? And then I realized this is Hermes. The short term is of no consequence. Yeah.
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Hermès
Yes, they believe that every single person should know each other by name, and they think that 250 to 300 is the natural limit on that. And Accel even says, if you have more than 300, it is not a workshop, it's a factory.
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Hermès
Crazy. And when Excel started at the company all the way back in the 80s, there were 250 craftsmen, period. And they hired two per year. Two craftsmen per year in the late 80s.
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Hermès
Nobody else does this. Little maker with a workshop in San Francisco or a workshop in Paris. But like, how are you even going to find them?
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Hermès
Yeah, they're not France's largest export because they have a very constrained way that they can create the products, but they may be France's finest export. So it behooves the French government to try to figure out how to make this last another hundred years.
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Hermès
You had that thought too. Totally. And it's all people. I mean, it's all sticking to the thing that got them here, which is every product or at least every leather goods product, every handbag made end to end by one artisan.
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Hermès
Yeah, wild. This is a really important thing to understand the company. They firmly believe that only 250 to 300 craftsmen can work in a building. So that's one. Two, it takes two plus years for someone to learn the craft and apprentice. And three, that every one of these things must be created by one individual by hand.
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Hermès
And if you believe all those three things for sure, then it forces a very specific constraint on your business and you must work backward from that. You can only train so fast, you can only produce so fast, which then of course means that it affects your products and it affects the availability and it affects the price, which of course means that it affects the customer set.
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Hermès
So there's a way to view Hermes, which is they want the very highest end customer with zero price sensitivity and they do whatever they need to serve that master. But I think there's another very real way to look at it, which is how the company describes themselves that starts with the constraints of the craft.
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Hermès
And when you hold true to that ethos at its most extreme, you end up with the company's brand and posture that you have today as the only logical endpoint. They can only hire three, four or 500 craftsmen a year. They can only do this other stuff. good luck getting a Birkin bag. I mean, it's just one of these things where you can say they're artificially constraining supply all you want.
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Hermès
And so they would have to change something. They would have to say, hey, there's some new fancy saddle stitching machine that it turns out makes us just as high a quality product and every craftsman gets, you know, twice as effective or something like that. But until they fold on one of these constraints that they've decided are stakes in the ground, The result is the scarcity.
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Hermès
At the end of the day, it is probably true that neither one is the starting place and neither one is the ending place. And the two things that I'm referring to here are the method of craftsmanship and the price and scarcity. They just work harmoniously together. One is not driving the other. It is that they both want the brand posture that they have and they want the constraints that they have.
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Hermès
And so it works together perfectly. But a cynical person could be like, well, yeah, all that handcrafted mumbo jumbo only exists because that's how you justify the brand pricing and availability that they've put in place. But I think it all works in concert.
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Hermès
Right. Maybe. But sure, in an assembly line with crappy ingredients, blah, blah, blah, sure. But can craftsmen use better tools? Yes. And will Hermes continue to embrace tools that make craftsmen more efficient? At some point, did they use sharper knives than were previously available in the past? They totally did. And so will they use things that make the needle go a little faster? Maybe. Yeah.
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Hermès
It could have Hermes's gravity if it wanted to, but instead you can buy a checkerboard cotton sweatshirt with 120 LVs on it.
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Hermès
Right, yeah. The Swiss watch industry has done just fine since the Apple watch came out, on the high end.
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Hermès
Yeah. Oh, it's funny. I hadn't actually made that connection that that's why it's Hermes and not... Well, I think there's two reasons.
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Hermès
And Apple also needed to go to the very top of whatever they were going to grab. Like, that's the thing about Hermes is whatever they make... Nobody is ever going to say that Hermes makes crap. Right. They make the most fully realized version of whatever they're making. If they have an idea, they want to release the best possible, most extreme, exquisite version of that thing.
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Hermès
And that's very Apple. I mean, Apple has to make compromises for the scale that they're at. But if Apple had partnered with someone that was more opinionated, let's say they were better in some ways but worse than others, it kind of doesn't play for Apple's brand. They need to partner with someone unassailable.
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Hermès
It's crazy. And to bring it back to the late 1800s, I think the point you're making here is when Charles Emil was apprenticing, there was no other example of what this company could become. So he thought, why don't I carry it on in exactly the same manner, Thierry, that you did. And so there's not this grand ambition to innovate and change with the times.
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Hermès
I love the Hermes slimmed Hermes watch. I looked at that thing, I don't know, five times during research, lusting after it, and ultimately closed the browser tab being like, I wear an Apple watch all day, every day. There's just no world where it actually makes sense for me to own a different watch.
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Hermès
Which is expensive for an Apple watch band, but it's sort of like in the ballpark of Apple accessories. Or it's at least maybe twice as much as normal Apple accessories. Yeah.
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Hermès
So Hermes' belts, and I believe they're Apple Watches, and there are other things, are machine sewn.
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Hermès
even if people aren't buying them that's sort of the question I agree with you because what I think this does is it defies how I think of Hermes which is whatever they're going to do they're going to do it at that logical extreme they're not going to compromise they're not going to figure out how to address a lower market they're going to sell the same expensive scarf that they sold their grandma to you but they're going to have a different way to advertise it and this is weird it's weird it's a compromise
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Hermès
I think the same thing about their belts, by the way. I think the same thing about anything that is machine-sewn so it can be mass-produced and have availability in every store. Like, it feels like they don't promise that everything they make is hand-sewn, but it feels like a mild violation of the brand promise.
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Hermès
It's, well, how do I learn exactly your craft, exactly the way you do it, and then continue that?
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Hermès
You're right. It does feel like a profanity. I mean, Apple is the most valuable brand in the world, but the most common brand in the world. And for Hermes to associate with such a common brand feels odd.
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Hermès
Maybe you're now an Hermes customer, and over the next 50 years, you're on a journey with them.
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Hermès
Hermes has always thrived by figuring out how to be above it all and be counterpositioned to the rest of luxury. It's an open question, I think, of whether the Apple partnership helps that or hurts that. Okay, a few more stats on the business today before we move into analysis. Does that sound good to you, David? Great. Great.
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Hermès
Well, I thought one fascinating thing was Excel saying that with the $4.3 billion in net income that they do, they always split it roughly the same way. One-third to the dividend, one-third gets reinvested in CapEx, and one-third in cash. And what's pretty interesting is they have a reasonably low reinvestment rate. They're And they're holding on to a lot of cash, two-thirds of it.
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Hermès
And so what's obvious there in the numbers that we've talked about in a more subjective way is they have a limited ability to actually reinvest in the business. It's much like Costco. They're constrained by factors other than capital. You give them more money, they can't do anything with it, which I just find fascinating. They can only train the craftspeople so fast.
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Hermès
And frankly, at some point, they'll saturate the market too. If they're going to address the whole world... they're going to have to change what they sell. And the Apple Watch may be the first little version of that. They grew, what, 20%, 25% last year? They can't keep growing at 25% without changing what Hermes stands for.
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And so even if they could train these craftspeople as fast as possible, they have another governor, which is scarcity, product image, price... At some point, they'll bump up against the walls of that and no additional craftspeople and no additional money can help them grow anymore.
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Hermès
And I'm sure there are some members of the family that want to walk around with their nose in the air and be a museum and say Hermes is pure and I want to go my whole life and then die with Hermes remaining pure. And there's other members of the family that are like, can we serve customers and grow this business? My God. And that Apple Watch represents the second faction.
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Hermès
Next, their cash position. They've got $10 billion in cash, and that is after materially increasing the dividend for the first time in a decade. They've recently just started dividending out more cash, which, again, is emblematic of the same idea of money is not our constraint, which is pretty new for the business. That's a decade or two old problem that never existed over the first 170 years.
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Hermès
And so that's kind of an interesting thing to know about a business is it was always run under the constraint of Even if we see growth opportunities, we don't have enough cash to pursue all of them. Now they actually do.
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Hermès
And so it's interesting to see how management sort of responds in this opportunity for abundance that they have and figures out how to treat certain elements of the business as a scarce resource, even though they don't have to.
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Hermès
Yes, quite palatable. The segments of the business, leather goods and saddlery, is 43%. That's the big guy. We didn't talk about this much on the episode, but ready-to-wear and accessories is 27%. That's a big chunk. That's the second largest chunk of the business is clothing, effectively. And I sort of have an open question of whether they should be in clothing. Isn't it kind of antithetical?
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Hermès
I mean, certainly it's odd to see them in the fashion world and they do these runway shows and they do couture, but it feels weird. It somehow feels antithetical in some way.
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Hermès
Yep. Next largest segment after that is silk and textiles. So remarkable how small the scarf business has become of their overall mix, given that it used to be, what, close to half the business. After that is perfume and beauty at 4% and watches at 4%.
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Hermès
And then there's a couple categories of others, which I think it's really interesting to look at perfume and beauty as another glimpse of what's to come. They make $100 bottles of perfume and they sell them at department stores.
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Hermès
Yep. Which I think is very China-focused. It's very interesting to me that they are trying to appeal, especially to a younger demographic with a lot of their recent perfumes and selling in department stores. Again, it feels antithetical to Hermes as this sort of pure brand. But on the other hand, it's a continuation of the Apple Watch strategy even further. Yep.
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Hermès
Yeah. So here's some stats. In 2006, France was already down to 19% of sales. I mean, it started at 100% of sales. So that's why I say down to 19%. 2006, this is a while ago. We're almost 20 years ago. At that point in time, Japan represented 27% of sales. So there's all this talk about China and luxury today. Japan was that in the early 2000s. So crazy, right?
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Hermès
Japan was one and a half times France in terms of sales for Hermès. Well, today, France is down to just 9% of sales. So let's flash back to 2006 again. So we talked about Japan being at 27% of sales. Asia Pacific outside of Japan was only 17%. Oh, wow. Japan was almost one and a half times as large as rest of Asia. Well, today, rest of Asia is 48%.
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Hermès
Half of Hermes' business is Asia excluding Japan. AKA China. Exactly. That's crazy. And I think Russia accounted for a decent amount of that.
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Hermès
Yeah. I will say that you listen to management commentary. Hermes is very excited about China's middle class, and they have done a really good job skewing younger there. 80% of clients in China are below 40. Wow.
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Hermès
Yep. Employee count. So they have 21,000 total employees. 7,000 are artisans. 62% of employees work in France. So they really have stayed French. They've not outsourced. They have 54 production sites in France or what they call workshops, and they manufacture 76% of the objects that they sell in their stores in their own exclusive workshops.
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Hermès
So they do still have these partnerships with other companies that they own part of or just have a partnership with or a distribution deal with. Usually what it means is it's sold as an Hermes product, but it's made by another manufacturer. And over the years, they've done this with shoes and umbrellas and leather jackets and raincoats and silverware and gloves.
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Hermès
Like they've had all these independent craftsmen that they sort of contracted with who have these really small shops, really small operations, don't have the brand reach that Hermes does, but they make Hermes products that are actually made by those people. So it's interesting.
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Hermès
I think they are sort of decreasing that when I give the number that at this point 76% of objects are made in its own exclusive workshops. But it is more correct than not to think about Hermes as they control everything from design to production to brand to retail today.
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Hermès
Yep, exactly. They have over 300 stores in 45 countries. David, as I mentioned earlier, in 2020, the Wall Street Journal estimated that about 120,000 Birkin and Kelly bags were made in that year. That's about 25% to 30% of total revenue coming from just those two bags, which, again, you can't buy. And also, you can't even see.
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Hermès
I went to a few Hermes stores over the last year, A, because I love the brand, B, because I was thinking we might do this episode at some point. I saw zero Birkin or Kelly bags even on display. This is the thing that they generate all their buzz about and make 30% of their revenue from, and you can't see it in a store.
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Hermès
I mean, if you just do some napkin math at 25 hours per bag, that's 1,500 craftsmen just making Birkins and Kellys all day long.
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Hermès
They have 16 metiers, and one in particular that I want to talk about is Petit H. This is one of my favorite Hermes things, period. So it started in 2010. It's a very interesting idea. For other leather brands, you typically see them trying to use the second best leather cut in some of their bags. But at Hermes, they'll never do that.
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There's no bag that's ever produced with any imperfections or any part of the leather that they think is any lesser than the best. So what do they do with all that leftover material? Well, for years, they were just storing it.
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Hermès
And this is everything from the leathers to the felts to the silks, all this extra material where they were just like, there's a tiny little bit that's usable, but not enough to actually make another bag to our standards. So into the closet it goes. And in 2010...
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they launch Petite H. And what they basically do is they collaborate with other artists for tiny little goods that can be cut from the scraps that are super whimsical, super fun. Think luggage tags that are cute little animals, but it's just enough of a shape to know that it's a bull or a bear or a cat. And you look at it and you're like, oh, that's really clever.
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And what they call it is creation in reverse. You start designing with the materials, not the end product in mind. And it's kind of the opposite of everything else that Hermes has ever done, which is think about what's the perfect good we can create to solve this problem for a customer. This was like, no, we've got a bunch of scraps. What's fun stuff we can do?
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Hermès
And that is that whimsy coming through. One thing that I want to say about the luxury bubble cooling is that earlier I sort of chalked it up to, well, Hermes has the most exclusive brand posture, so they have the least price-sensitive customers, so they're going to feel the pullback less than everyone else. And that is true, but there are other parts of it too.
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Hermès
Hermes' obsession with responsible growth, limiting production, and slower price appreciation also plays into the desirability and the durability of their goods. If they were out there cranking the prices of Birkin bags, you might think less of them. If they were out there trying to produce more of them to meet demand, you'd certainly think less of them if they were outsourcing production anyway.
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Hermès
So it's how they conduct business. that has caused them to sort of be in a better position than the rest of the luxury industry right now in this pullback.
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Hermès
Yeah, there's a fine line. There's a gauche-ness to it. Right, exactly. They need to have a price that's high enough to signal this is something really, really special and we are more unique than every other luxury brand who's trying to make similar products and have similar positioning. But also it's not so expensive that it's gauche.
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And I think the latter part, it's not actually about the dollar amount. It's about the price difference. Because if it's three times as much as it was a decade ago, it's harder to trust the intrinsic value of the good if it's fluctuating all over the place.
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Hermès
Oh, this is an intentional strategy over at Rolex. They increase prices a certain amount per year and they want to show a track record of that so that if you buy one, you can rest assured that it's going to increase in value over time and that it's a good investment.
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Hermès
Because counterintuitively, by increasing the price more than the rate of inflation every year or especially more than the rate of 5% to 7% stock market return... it spurs people to buy that otherwise wouldn't have bought because they feel more safe making the purchase.
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Hermès
Right. You're not just famous for being famous. You are famous because you've achieved something or you're in the act of achieving something or you hold a high office in which you were elected or appointed to get a specific goal done. You're on the move. You got stuff to do and you know, you got to get there. Exactly.
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Hermès
Right. It's an investment. Right. Then there's a business unit that we didn't talk about yet called Hermes Horizons. Yes, which is not a official métier, right? It is not a métier. They break it out under other products. They have four categories of other products. There's Internet of Things, which is Apple Watch. There's tanneries and precious leathers.
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There's metal parts, which is a J3L subsidiary that I think literally makes the clasps and stuff like that.
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Hermès
And listeners, this is the question of what enables a given business to achieve persistent differential returns or to be more profitable than their closest competitor on a sustainable basis? And the seven that Hamilton has identified are counter-positioning, scale economies, switching costs, network economies, process power, branding, and cornered resource.
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Hermès
And the question we asked David on the LVMH episode was, for luxury brands, is there anything else other than branding power? Because the definition of branding power is if I present you two identical objects and one of them is branded and one of them is unbranded, it is literally quantified as the premium that you are willing to pay me for the brand.
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Hermès
Now, in Hermes' case, it may not actually be branded, but you might still know it is Hermes and be willing to pay more for it.
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Hermès
Yes. Again, we're drawing a lot of attention to quiet luxury here. Hermes is not as quiet luxury as they once were. So I think it's safe to say it would have an H or a horse or a woven H into the fabric or something like that if presented to you here. But obviously, there's a tremendous amount of branding power.
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Hermès
Yep. Okay, I have two cases to make for non-brand powers that come into play. Oh, okay, great. Cornered resource.
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Hermès
Except for the ones that are opening their own independent shop, and those ones don't have brand power. An Hermes craftsman can make a wallet. An independent craftsman can make a wallet. You're going to pay a lot more for the Hermes one. In fact, you're never even going to be aware that the independent craftsman exists.
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Hermès
If someone else wanted to go compete with Hermes, it'd be hard because they don't have the brand, they don't have the history. But also, you literally can't find any more craftsmen, so you'd have to train them yourselves.
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Hermès
Yep. The other one that is a little bit squishier, are they counterpositioned to other luxury brands by basically saying, hey, we don't have to serve as many customers as you, so we actually can handcraft each item individually? Louis Vuitton has no ability to switch gears and say, oh, it's important to compete on the vector of handcrafted.
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Hermès
Right. They have to serve too many customers, but Hermes doesn't. Right. It's kind of flimsy counterpositioning.
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Hermès
Okay. Playbook. I called David earlier this week and I said, we have a problem. There's this really good part of the LVMH episode and we're going to need to repeat it point for point on the Hermes episode. And that is why handbags are just the best freaking product to sell ever as a business. And David planted the seed with me.
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Perhaps it's actually going to be a pretty different point once we really tell the whole story. And David, you are right. So the point that was made on the LVMH episode are handbags are the best product ever because they're super easy to sell versus clothing. They don't require you trying anything on or sizing. You look at it. If you like it, you buy it. Done. Much better than a fashion product.
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They're easier to create and produce than perfumes, which is another common luxury category. The profit margin is astounding for most luxury brands. The profit is between 10 and 12 times the cost to make them. At Louis Vuitton, it's something like 13 times. So there's this ease of creation. There's high volume.
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According to annual consumer surveys that Coach does, the average American woman purchased two new handbags in 2000. And by 2004, that number was more than four. So it's this high volume product. And at Louis Vuitton's immense four-floor global store in Tokyo, 40% of all sales are made in the first room, which sells only monogrammed handbags, wallets, and other leather goods.
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Basically, none of these are true for Hermès. The business is not high volume or not nearly as high volume as they could be. In fact, they don't even show you handbags in their stores. So certainly not in that first room.
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It was stunning to walk it last summer when I was there. You can feel the presence of Hermes and all the other brands that are there.
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It's such a funny way to describe it. In terms of trying on the handbags, when you do get your moment in the sun and you have your 90-minute appointment and your glass of champagne and you have the opportunity to buy one of the two or three Birkin bags that they have in store. You can't say no.
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Hermès
Right. And it doesn't have the benefit of saving square footage the way that, you know, I mentioned, oh, you don't need to try on handbags. There's nothing to impede your velocity. Hermes is impeding your velocity and they're taking up square footage with these private rooms for you to go and spend time in. So they don't take advantage of that benefit either.
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I mean, the only thing that it has in common are these goods are sold at a phenomenal margin, just like Louis Vuitton. But I sort of came around to this idea that actually we're not making any of the same points at all. They managed to sell the same exact product category totally different, and they've constructed an entirely different business model around the same products.
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Right. This is a good moment to bring up this idea that Hermes likes to espouse that they have no marketing department.
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Hermès
Yes. So they make the point that everyone at the company is responsible for marketing, which is wonderful. What a great comment. But there's some truth to it. There's obviously a lot of PR and events and stuff that they do, but it's worth looking at some of the numbers. They spend 23% of their revenue on sales and marketing costs.
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But just a small fraction of that is actually on marketing or what they call communication. It's just 4.5% of their revenue. And if you compare that to LVMH, which spends over one-third of their revenue on sales and marketing combined – so that's 23% for sales and marketing at Hermes compared to 33% at LVMH – I mean, that's a huge difference.
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When you compare apples to apples just on marketing, LVMH says they spend 12% of total sales on advertising and promotion. Hermes spends 4.5% on communication. I think that is actually apples to apples.
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It's still not right, though. Oh. It's all marketing, that 4.5% versus 12%. But remember you pointed out to me earlier before recording, two-thirds of Hermes' communication is actually events. So if you look at the remaining third, it might be as low as 1.5% of their sales are actually spent on media buys for marketing compared to LVMH's 12%.
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They also go really hard when they're going to spend money. They don't blanket the world. They decide these concentrated ways that they want to do something really unique and special, and that's how they spend their media buys.
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Right. Another place that they save a lot of money is that they don't do celebrity endorsements, unlike virtually every other luxury brand. And this gets back to control, control, control. Hermes is the master of its own image. And in these other companies, celebrities do dumb stuff all the time, and it reflects on the company. You have to change your spokesperson.
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I mean, you look at Kanye, you have to just decide to stick with him and tough it out. Nike has done this a number of times. to sort of say, like, we think we're going to come out the other side and we think they're going to get through this. Hermes, no. We control our own image. No one else reflects on us.
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And who needs celebrity endorsers when you make your products so desirable and so expensive that... The celebrities will just buy them anyway, and they want to be seen in it. So there are celebrities running around who get paid to endorse other brands who will pay full price to wear Hermes out and about.
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Not only is it revenue generating and cost saving, but it's also more powerful than a paid endorsement because it's authentic. It is what the celebrity is choosing to do with their dollars.
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Unbelievable. At the end of the day, the Hermes brand really has a tremendous amount of word of mouth from people who are big fans of it. And the brand is built through the lore around the products. And they just don't need to do that much media because they have a community. They have slowly organically built this brand.
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at this point, large number of people around the world that aspire to buy Hermes. And honestly, they just don't need to do that much marketing.
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As we talked about earlier, somehow there's something about the French heritage that everyone else is willing to status-wise look up to and want to participate in.
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Okay, one thing that we did not talk about is how they merchandise the stores. And this is another thing that sets Hermes apart from other brands. They have a pull model versus a push model for all you software engineers out there. Basically, they embrace this idea that every store is for the local clientele and that store managers know their clients the best.
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So therefore, store managers should get to pick what is in each store. And headquarters does not dictate what every store stocks, which is super different than every other brand. You open retail stores in order to just get your product out. That's the point is distribution.
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Whatever salespeople we hire to work at those stores, they're going to sell the same iPhones and iPads that we have everywhere else at every other store. That is not Hermes.
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So at Podium every year, which is this event that they have every six months where they show off all the new references, here's all the new designs for all the new products, each store manager gets a budget and they have the freedom to buy, quote unquote buy, basically stock and get allocations of whatever they want at their store under the constraint that you can't ask for 120,000 Birkin bags at your one store.
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And they're going to do this forever together and they're going to be thick as thieves. And, you know, they are of one mind on how this company should go.
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Even though they're wholly owned, they get the benefit of not being wholly owned, you know?
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The cool thing about a retailer that's decoupled from the manufacturer is that the retailer can kind of stock whatever cool stuff they want. You know, as long as the metiers are all producing a diverse set of references, then you actually do get this diversity of different things that are stocked at that store for that region. So it leads to this cool thing that no two stores are identical.
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It's kind of fun to see what this Hermes shop has versus that Hermes shop whenever you travel.
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Yes, exactly. Exactly. I will tell you, I was in the Exxon Provence store and someone came in and said, I want to buy this particular item. And the store manager said, well, we don't have it. And they have a policy against anyone sort of calling ahead to know what's where.
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And he was asking, well, can you call the other store that I think was in Marseille or something like that and see if they have it there? And she said, no, we don't do that. You can go there and you can find out. And I think this person was trying to like buy something and flip it. And so they were sort of on to that. He was also trying to take pictures of things in the store.
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And they said, you can't do that, sir. Like you can't take photos of what we have in stock because they don't want people standing up websites to say, tip, go buy this here because you can flip it online for that much. But I love it. They have pretty tight controls around that.
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Dominate the client. Yep. Their e-commerce strategy is just pretty funny. It's not like you can go online and buy a Birkin bag. But there's not even a product detail page with like a sold out button. There's just this educational page about what Birkin bags are all about and how neat the designs are and what the category is.
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It's also for a different audience. Interestingly, 70% of buyers online for all the stuff that you can buy online were new to Hermes. So that's a great strategy for them for e-commerce. You say, look, the special things are the special things. But for people who we want to come experience the brand for the first time. Great. We've got a website for you.
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And I think you can sort of tell that internally they're torn since that's not the full Hermes experience. Like you don't get the experiential part of being in the store, but they also do a lot of volume through it. And it's a way to reach a new audience. And it's kind of an expectation at this point.
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Yep. In some ways, it seems wholly un-Hermes, but in other ways, kind of like the Apple Watch thing that they do or the perfume, they are looking for ways to be more approachable.
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Another one worth mentioning is employee turnover. So the employees, especially the craftsmen, basically stay forever. As we've been saying, there's really no other game in town. And if Hermes wasn't there, these people probably wouldn't have been trained to be craftsmen in the first place. So what does that look like numerically?
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There is 6% annual turnover and only 4.5% leave of their own desire. 4.5% of their entire workforce every year leaves of their own desire.
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Ah, Chuck T. Well, this episode, listeners, has been probably just under 12 months in the making. LVMH was just after one year ago, and it was in that episode that I feel like I got a real penchant for everything that Hermes stood for. After 187 years, still under family control, they're on their sixth generation of family leadership at the helm.
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It's funny you say that. So Costco is 7% a year, but Costco cheats a little bit in that the stat is after the first year, whereas Hermes' attrition of 6% includes the first year.
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Yeah. So just compare this with all industries in the US. That's a 3.4% monthly turnover. So in the United States, across all industries, and thanks to Jeremy Diamond and the Slack for pointing this out, one third of the entire workforce churns on average every year. So when you're trying to figure out, geez, is 6% good? 6% is unbelievable because the benchmark is 33%.
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Which, if you are to use different language, is manufacturing and retail, which are super high churn categories.
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I mean, even software developers churn at 15 to 20 percent per year, and that's just the voluntary numbers. This is much better than software engineers who get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to have a very cushy job. So finally, let's go real apples to apples. Let's compare this to LVMH. Well, LVMH's total turnover in 2022 was 24% versus Hermes' 6%.
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So Hermes may be obsessed with this whole savoir-faire and transmission of craft in their annual report, but it is totally real. I mean, the entire thing works because of the knowledge and craft of their people.
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Yeah. And they're only getting more obsessed with control. I mean, controlling everything end-to-end. Hermes used to have 56% of retail locations that were company-owned. This is back in 2003, so 20 years ago. A little over half were company-owned. That's now 74%.
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So they're getting rid of what they refer to as the concessionaires, which are essentially franchise stores, and closing them in favor of the wholly owned businesses. So this is, again, they're just trying to figure out, how do we control more of our production of our everything soup to nuts? They describe this strategy as having three pillars.
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And this is like three pillars for their entire business. This is like the strategy at the top of the annual report. Creation, craftsmanship, and an exclusive distribution network. And that's probably the way to sum up Hermes. All right, so to close Playbook, I just have one more, which is really this idea of what is the job to be done by Hermes?
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And I had this great conversation with Derek Guy, who's sort of colloquially known on Twitter as the menswear guy. Dye Workwear is his handle. And he has some amazing threads. They're very worth reading about if you're interested in ironing pants or why suits don't fit the way they used to.
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But he pointed out this really interesting thing to me, which is the value propositions of Hermes are essentially a bundle. And that bundle is exclusivity, service, craftsmanship, shopping experience, and a great brand. And you basically can't get that bundle anywhere else. That doesn't have competitors.
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And it used to exist in sort of a pre-war, early 20th century era, you could. But Hermes was the only one that sort of chose to keep doing things the old way and scale. And everyone else kind of went out of business or changed their methodology to scale. So, for example, Louis Vuitton has the branding, they have exclusivity, but the craftsmanship isn't there.
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They don't make things in that early 20th century way. Supreme can offer you exclusivity and brand, but again, there's no real craftsmanship there. And then you've got all these individual artisans, you know, a craftsperson in a little workshop somewhere in Paris making the highest quality, you know, Hermes quality things. But there's no brand. Would you buy that?
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Would you pay even half the price for that? I think a lot of people who are buying Hermes are buying it because it's Hermes, and they want the brand. Right. And, you know, there's other things that are missing from that, too. There's no shopping experience. Service is unknown because you don't know how long that maker is going to be around.
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You know for a fact that 50 years from now you can get your Hermes thing serviced. So there's some great makers like Chester Mox or April in Paris, or I heard great things about Mila Gito. These are like exceptional craftsmen hand-making items in the same way, but it's a different bundle of value propositions.
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To me, what sums up the analysis is that the magic of what Hermes has done is managed to scale the old way with the complete bundle.
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Yes. Well, this section was originally created by us five years ago or something to basically assess of the value created in the world How much does the company actually capture of it? So canonically, Craigslist creates a ton of value. Wikipedia creates a ton of value. Captures very little of it. But you look at, on the other hand, Google, they create a lot of value.
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You can find stuff on the internet. They're pretty damn good at capturing it. They've built a huge business on that. So there, I think, is a reasonable indictment to make that many of you will want to make on all of luxury and say it's just excess. They don't actually create value in the world.
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And then they capture a tremendous amount of value because they just have a brand that allows people to social signal. And all luxury is excess. And that's a reasonable viewpoint. However, I think there's an interesting way to look at Hermes in particular, which is if what you desire is the highest quality craft,
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they offer, at an extreme price, a guarantee to be able to get that super high-quality craft. And that's different than every other luxury brand that is no longer about craftsmanship, but is kind of about hype and logos. Yeah. It's about brand and fashion. Yes.
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So I would say Hermes has figured out that there actually is a pretty big niche for craftsmanship, or at least people who desire the brand of craftsmanship, And they're exceptional at value capture around that.
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Another element to value creation, value capture is what they're doing good for the world, period, regardless of what they're able to capture. Anybody who's doing things with exotic leathers, you may have a problem with. Farmed crocodiles in mass quantities in order to create the Himalaya print Birkin bags.
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So for everyone who's like, you know, it's absolutely cruel to do this to crocodiles to make handbags, Hermes doesn't really have like a counterpoint. They don't have like a, well, they lived good lives. That's not a part of their defense. Their defense is purely around sustainable farming, which is, hey, these are endangered species in many scenarios with these exotic leathers.
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And so what we do is... For the ones that we farm, we also release a bunch into the wild to try to replenish the population.
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Even though we're not actually taking away from the population in the wild because we're not hunting them, we are trying to sort of, almost in like an eye-for-an-eye way, say, look, we're creating a bunch of crocodiles, and so we're releasing a bunch of them into nature also. And I don't know. It sits medium with me.
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Right. Similarly, you see piles and piles and piles of cow hides for leather production. And the response is, well, look, these were beef cows. And so we're basically doing a good thing by making sure that we use the whole animal since we were going to use it anyway for sustenance somewhere else in humanity.
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Right. I mean, other brands, Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld, Mulberry, a bunch of them are banning exotic leathers in their products. So I think Hermes has played around with mushroom leather, but do I think Hermes is going to go all vegan anytime soon? Absolutely not. It's just not happening.
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The last thing that you can definitely be mad about if you are into animal welfare is the fact that Hermes cares so deeply about their brand that they burn imperfect products so they never see the light of day. That's a bummer. I understand Hermes's position of not wanting these bags to get out there and have their brand on it and People realize like, oh, some Birkin bags look kind of crappy.
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But if you're destroying product that could otherwise have utility, especially when it's made from animals, bummer.
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So they spend a lot of time in their annual report talking about how much more they're getting efficient in their manufacturing processes, how the rates of this are going down. They don't specifically call out burning bags, but how they're able to use more and more of the raw material and have...
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everything that goes in the top of the funnel kind of get used in products all the way at the bottom of the funnel. So the company's taken a lot of heat for it over the years and it's something that they spend a lot of time working on. Yep. All right, David, I think that brings us to the question, which is what is your big takeaway from this episode?
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What is something, it's like a big idea you're obsessed with after spending all this time with Hermes.
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Well, and importantly, bear case, bull case has to take into account what are people's current expectations. So you sort of have to dissect the stock price.
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Right. And we figure by the time you get to this point of the episode, you kind of already have a bear case and a bull case in your head. It's not like we're going to sit here and paint, well, if people keep being excited about luxury goods.
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Yeah, there's a fun and there's staying true to their identity. And both of those things are more important than winning some numerical game.
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Yep. I love that. The splinter in my mind is that you can sell what on the face of it seems like the same type of products as someone else, but build two entirely different businesses. And Louis Vuitton and Hermes, on the face of it, do the same thing. And as soon as you start digging in, you realize that these companies could not be more different.
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And all of the puzzle pieces that fit together to create Hermes is an entirely different puzzle than the pieces that fit together to create Louis Vuitton. It's a great reminder that just because you are in the same product category as someone else, you don't have to build a similar business and you might not even be competing with them.
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There's a large number of people for whom Louis Vuitton and Hermes are not actually in a consideration set together ever. And I think that's fascinating.
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Interesting. Because you're putting a whole saddle in it, like you're de-saddling your horse, and then you're putting that in this bag.
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Well, sometimes we get to learn about an industry that's interesting to know things about, like healthcare or something we're a fan of, like the NFL episode. But sometimes we do an episode like Hermes, and it really teaches us how to run our own business.
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Again, acquired is not luxury, but we do create a product that has real scarcity, both on the listener front, because we only have an episode a month, and on the sponsor front, because we only have three sponsors a season. There is so much to learn studying the purity of Hermes when you run a business that's predicated on scarcity. Yes. So this one was extra indulgent for you and I. Yes.
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I have three. Ooh, fun. And none of them are a Vision Pro, even though the Vision Pro is sitting next to me on my desk. And the reason is not because I can't recommend it, but because this is acquired and we can't possibly do anything that's too current. I need more time to evaluate.
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Okay, first one, the Anker Prime charger. I'll give you the model number because Anker products are impossible to figure out what's what. This is the A2343 model. It is a 100 watt charger that has two USB-C ports and one USB-A port. And it is tiny. It's lightweight. It's dense. You'll pick it up and be like, oh my God, this is really heavy, but it's lightweight compared to large bricks.
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And here's the important thing. In those diagonal airline charging seats, you can plug it in and it doesn't fall out. And so it's 100 watts. You can super fast charge phone, laptop, whatever. There's two ports, two USB-C ports and one USB-A, and it works on airlines. So it's the only thing that I travel with now.
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And it's the new gallium nitride GAN charging technology, which I think is totally game-changing.
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Okay. Yeah. I don't understand why nobody's talking about it because it feels like it completely revolutionized chargers. It makes everything 50% the size, even though it has super high power delivery.
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Might need to do it. All right, we'll link it in the show notes. Two more are apps or websites or web services. I don't know what we're supposed to call them these days. The first one is an app called Matter, which I have replaced for years I used Instapaper. Oh, yeah. And it was great, but it just hasn't been touched in forever. And Matter is Instapaper but better.
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It is also an amazing way to listen to things that you save in a very realistic voice. So long-time listeners know I don't absorb stuff very well by reading. I absorb it really well by reading. Listening. And so much of the research.
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Correct. You can save podcast episodes, but you can forward an email newsletter and have that read it to you. You can use the bookmarklet on a website, have it read it to you. So it sort of bundles in text to speech and podcasts and email newsletters and read it later type services into one app. I mean, I did half the research for this by taking long things to read, including PDFs.
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It has an ability to parse PDFs now and like listening while running or my son was asleep in a carrier and I'm like walking around the house or I'm in a dark room somewhere or I'm on the treadmill in the garage. So I really like Matter. The team behind it is awesome.
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They actually were kind enough to reach out and have David and I collaborate with them on a couple of guest blog posts for their Words That Matter series of some of our favorite readings and writings of all time. The team was great, which was my entree into it, but the product has exceeded expectations.
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It's awesome. My third one is another thing that dramatically has helped my research, which is perplexity AI. Oh, yeah. If I could stop using Google, I would because perplexity is better for everything that I use to Google, period.
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It's all the good things about ChatGPT and all the good things about Google and none of the bad things of either. It's reliable. It links to sources. It has good UI. I trust it because I've fact-checked it so many times and it just keeps being right. It makes it easy to fact-check. Accessing information is one of these things that if it's 97% good, it's bad. So it needs to be always good.
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That's crazy. It's like if Apple eventually transitioned to being not the Vision Pro company, but the Vision Pro carrying case company.
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Here's the best use case for perplexity. The other day, I couldn't find something on Google, and I went over to perplexity, and I asked it the question, and it said, the answer to this is unknown on the internet. And I was like, that is amazing. You just gave me confidence.
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That's the paradox. You often do your best work when you get older, even though you have less time because you're wiser, your information's better.
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Oh, did you get the carry case, by the way? No, I'm not going to spend another $200 on that. That thing looks like a balloon. It's enormous. Yes, and it takes up your whole backpack.
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Yeah. You've gotten better at your craft and you can never have both, but you live your life anyway. You'll make it through.
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But you need a way to start that's predictable or at least something you've thought through.
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I tweeted this that Taylor plus the NFL is literally the perfect bundle because they've both fully saturated their markets. That Taylor is America's musical cultural icon of this moment. There's no one... who could be a Taylor super fan that's not already a Taylor super fan. And the NFL, similarly, has had close to a hundred year history. And it is the fullest realization of itself already.
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The NFL is America's sport. And so they've already got all the super fans they're going to get. And so by bundling together, this is so awful. Oh, no, this is the ultimate collab. Yes. They can address each other's sort of casual fans who wouldn't have tuned in specifically for one or the other.
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Yep. What's the phrase that Shashir Moroder used? The marginal churn contribution. There are people who will not turn off the Super Bowl who otherwise would have because there might be another Taylor viewing. Yeah.
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All right, listeners, we have a bunch of thank yous. Huge thank you to Domenico De Soleil, the former CEO of Gucci and the co-founder of Tom Ford with Tom Ford. Domenico, your conversation was just invaluable in preparing for this episode. And obviously, yes, a legend.
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Adam Pritzker, a good friend of the show, is the co-founder of Assembled Brands and the company Kate, which is in the fashion and luxury space. And Adam is super kind and a huge contributor to this episode, just like he was to LVMH.
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To Derek Guy, who is at Dye Workwear on Twitter for teaching me about saddle stitching and what makes Hermes special and a bunch of the other brands that we mentioned that do boutique leather goods. And for putting April in Paris on my radar. That was very helpful. Reginald Jérôme de Man, or RJ, which is sort of a funny pen name, he wrote a book called Swan Songs, Souvenirs of Paris Elegance.
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He's obsessed, for lack of a better phrase, with Parisian luxury. and the history of it. And so it was really educational to talk with him about this and fact check a lot of my Hermes history. And finally, there is a lot written about the company. I do think the best way to understand Hermes is just to go right to the source. Their 586-page annual report, they just lay out the whole strategy.
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It's right there. They wrote down everything. Yep. And David, I know you had a couple of cool conversations.
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We mentioned Hermes, founded in 1837, is the oldest company we've covered on Acquired, but we might have to caveat that.
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Over 200 years. Incredible. You only survive as long as Hermes or J.P. Morgan with a relentless focus on the long term, an exceptionally high quality bar, and counterintuitively when talking about handbags and banks, technical innovation, which is exactly the J.P. Morgan Payments story.
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I don't know, David, everything Hermes does is just so focused and intentional and pure. As much as they sort of get lumped together with brands owned by LVMH, they are in many ways the anti-LVMH.
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Yep. And when you move $10 trillion a day in 160 countries and 120 currencies, these learnings really compound. And that is exactly the story of their new offering, embedded banking. This actually reminds me a bit of our episode on Amazon and AWS on how companies can take internal capabilities and scale them externally as brand new products.
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In this case, JP Morgan said, hey, we already facilitate credit card acceptance. We manage KYC and anti-money laundering. We Pool money and split across virtual ledgers here. We disperse funds. Oh, wow. We can embed all of these into our customers' marketplace businesses to power their end-to-end payments for buyers and sellers and lower risk across the whole ecosystem.
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Yep. Macy's is a great example. They wanted to offer more selection to customers and support diverse-owned small businesses at the same time. But Macy's needed a solution to onboard sellers seamlessly and manage the state-by-state complexity of the payouts.
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So they turned to JPMorgan Payments and their embedded banking solutions, which enables a large number of suppliers and their bank account details on a single platform supported by tokenization and utilizing a single API integration. This frictionless and secure payment solution worked, to say the least.
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Macy's nearly doubled its marketplace sellers in the first quarter of 2023 and increased revenue by 50%.
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Thank you, J.P. Morgan. Now, David, how was Hermes perfectly positioned for the age of the automobile with this new accessory?
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He sees the assembly lines, and then he had blinders on. He's like, oh, pay no attention to the manufacturing efficiencies they've got going on over there.
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Yes, that is true. My wife and I were on our honeymoon listeners after LVMH, so last summer, and we were in Aix-en-Provence, and we walked by an Hermes store, and I thought that this would be a great time to go in and get each other something as a honeymoon gift.
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Okay, so Emil both figures out how to open business in Russia and goes to America, meets with Henry Ford, understands the automobile is going to change the world.
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It does show their penchant for innovation. The idea that we can push the envelope forward in functionality and what people would be willing to wear. I mean, this guy's a duke and he's wearing a zippered jacket. I'd imagine that drew some eyes at first.
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So my wife got a little twilly scarf, and I got an Hermes belt, and it's the only luxury item I own of any luxury brand, traditional luxury brand.
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OK, so we're still in the third generation of the Hermes family. Two brothers are running it. What's next?
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This is literally like he wants faster horses of the analogy of like, if you would ask people what they want, they'd say a faster horse. Like he's stuck in a horse land.
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Yeah. And importantly, it's not just that you're trying to show a label, which is a little bit different than the modern version of luxury. It's that you're trying to have something really nicely crafted. When you show up somewhere, someone should just look at your luggage and go, wow, that is beautiful. Hermes is not yet a recognized brand. So merely slapping Hermes on it won't do the trick.
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And something interesting that is different than the Hermes you know today, the way that they're adding all of these things, they're finding craftspeople who are experts at particular crafts. Exactly what you're talking about, David, a watchmaker. They're finding a watchmaker and they're saying, can we work with you on designing something uniquely Hermes, but you're the craftsperson.
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Come check out our second show, ACQ2, where we interview founders, investors, and experts, often as follow-ups to these episodes. And before we dive in, we want to briefly share that our presenting sponsor this season is J.P. Morgan, specifically their incredible payments business.
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Right. And it's interesting because they're sort of towing this line between first and foremost being a craftsman themselves and being a manufacturer and being a designer, but also kind of being a retailer where they're just bringing in other branded goods and selling it in their shop.
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Their mindset around additional stores at this point is it's for the same clientele in all the places that they travel. Yes. And the clientele was primarily French at this point in time.
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purchase our products there too right this by the way is a different retail strategy than what they have today today management sort of insists that the idea is that each store is for the local clientele and we will only expand into an area if we feel that we can serve the local clientele that lives there well And that's sort of a recognition of the maturation of their business.
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The rich people are going to go find an Hermes store somewhere. It's easy for them to travel somewhere, buy it on vacation. But if we're going to open new stores, we should open it in places where there is a thriving new upper class who can buy the goods locally there in their city.
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Yes, for sure. But it plays well for me as someone who is on vacation and shopping to believe that I'm shopping in a store that is for the locals. It's less fun to be shopping somewhere that is very clearly created for you as a tourist.
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Yes. If you've ever been in an Hermes store, you can feel a warmth everywhere. that doesn't exist in other luxury stores. If you're in a destination with a lot of luxury shops, you'll walk past a lot of bright lights and mirrors and punch you in the face reds and black and white, and you just feel like there's a lot going on.
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And then you arrive at Hermes, and it feels warm, and it feels soft, and it feels welcoming, and it feels whimsical. And there's this almost... dream-like color palette that they use, starting with a base of orange and having this explosive rainbow of fun, but in some ways it all feels natural and from the earth and just whimsy. I think that you nailed it, David, whimsical.
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So with that, this show is not investment advice. David and I may have investments in the companies we discuss, and this show is for informational and entertainment purposes only. David, I feel like we're starting before 1837.
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Same story as the New York Times. There was a whole generation of daughters. Well, none of the Ox daughters get the business. And so it goes over to the son-in-law, the Sulzberger, and now it's the Sulzberger-Ox family that owns the business in the same way that Hermes is the Hermes Dumas family.
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The son-in-law tends to do well in this early 20th century period of passing it down from, unfortunately, father not to daughter, but father to son-in-law.
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And the way Hermes describes it today when you read their annual report is they talk about their trademark humor and imaginative flair. And despite the fact that they really are tied to this old French elite tradition, they really don't take themselves too seriously in all their products, especially the entry-level ones. I mean, the Birkin is the Birkin.
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Yeah, they'll do some special editions here and there, but there's a weight to that product line. But there's an overall playfulness that's exuded from the brand that comes from this era of leadership.
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Really great name. It's got a ring to it. I feel like that's going to go be a viral hit and appear on Sex and the City.
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Wait, David, I can't let you get away with that. Métier. Please enlighten listeners. I know Hermes sprinkles around French words in all their literature, and it just expects Americans to deal with it. If it's italicized, it's French, and you can go look up what it means yourself. Here on Acquired, David, tell us about a métier.
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All right. We're not going to like the sort of Egyptian invention of the handbag or anything like that. Boy, let me tell you, I was tempted.
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And so an important thing to know here is when you're buying Hermes products, they're really not pushing the brand. There is not an iconic, recognizable Hermes H or... horse and carriage logo or bright color that you're supposed to identify. This is really the origin of quiet luxury, where Hermes is handcrafting the highest quality product they can make.
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You might think you can't do all of your charts in orange. You need different colors, but you would be wrong.
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A single artisan is the person making the good. And when you receive it, you really are just aware that it's the highest quality thing made by a single person with their blood, sweat, tears, love, a piece of them left inside. And it's super different than luxury today because it is just not branded.
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And Hermes hadn't even really developed the iconography yet that would become Hermes' version of, you know, slightly louder luxury. Over the years, if you sort of look at products now, the belts have an H. You know, they incorporate horse motifs into designs on their ready-to-wear clothing. But that really wasn't a thing yet in this era. Yeah.
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Hermes is on the lighter side of branding their goods today, but it's still... Well, they have to adapt to the market. The customers want some way to let people know that they're wearing an Hermes item, even if it's lower key than other luxury brands. So Hermes builds that for them.
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So 1937 through probably the 1990s, where these silk scarves were the Hermes franchise. And the reason this sort of took off is it almost became part of the French woman's uniform, right?
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Fascinating. So this is a good time to talk about how these silk scarves are made. And I was going to do this later when we talk about their modern day production process, but it turns out that their modern day production process is not that different than it used to be. So here is how Hermes scarves are made today.
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They are first sourcing the finest silk that they can find, which is now from their own owned farms in Brazil. So that's where the silk comes from. Only 20 new designs are created every year, and they retire old designs. There's sort of a Disney vault aspect to this. They'll bring them out of the vault. Yes. The pipeline to get a new design into the customer's hands is two years.
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Now, you might be asking yourself, like, come on, why is this taking two years? That's a ridiculous thing. Here is the process. They screen print every single scarf by hand.
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Right. Some of the design does seem like it involves computers now. Like if you watch documentaries about the craftsmen at Hermes, which there's a couple of good ones we'll link to in the show notes if you want to just sort of watch Hermes crafts people at work. They do seem to be translating designs off of a computer, but it's not like they're hitting command P. That's not how this works.
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Every single color of the scarf is screen printed using its own mask or basically a stencil. So if your scarf has 20 colors, it has at least 20 masks that they then squeegee the ink over. And the precision is perfect.
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Yes, I was looking at my wife's sort of twilly scarf, the little wrist or hair tie scarf that we got in Aix-en-Provence. I mean, I don't know how you do this by hand, and I don't know how you do it by hand 20 times over and over and over for every single layer.
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If you've ever been to an Hermes store or you own one of these, you just can't believe that this is done by hand without any of the layers being out of alignment. Because if any of them are out of alignment, you ruin the whole thing and you have to start over. And so if that's not enough, the masks are also hand etched by a craftsperson.
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Their entire job is to know how to translate a design into all the different color layers, which they then hand etch. So the pipeline is designer, engraver, that's an engraver of each mask, colorist, weaver, printer, and then someone to do the finishing.
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And the skills are completely non-transferable. This process doesn't really exist, certainly not at scale at any other company. Actually, I was talking to my wife about this.
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She brought up the idea that it's kind of like Disney Imagineers or almost like Pixar employees, where you specialize in this one crazy little piece of the production process that no other company has your same production process. And the attention to detail is so staggering that once you enter the Hermes universe, then you're sort of...
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in that universe for the rest of your career because that is where your trade is still practiced.
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Totally. And you really like all the lore. Part of what makes Hermes Hermes at this point is their callbacks to their own history. I mean, they have 187 years of history to call upon and they do so over and over and over again. And they remix and they name things after stores that used to exist at certain addresses. It's a universe.
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You're exactly right. 12 months now after we did the LVMH episode, we're finally on the tail end of this sort of pandemic bubble of luxury, and we're seeing a lot of these brands take a hit. Hermes is the most insulated of all the luxury brands where they have the sort of least cost-sensitive clients.
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It's interesting you say Hermes owns this color. So you are correct that Hermes has selected a non-Pantone color. But what Hermes tries to do is say, well, we own orange. We can't be nailed down by a Pantone specific code. We own orange more broadly. And they've actually gone head to head with the EU. And this has gone to court where it's been determined that, no, you can't own orange.
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And so what they've done is they've actually leaned into this where there is a classic Hermes orange, but it presents differently on each of the leathers. You know, they have 10 different leathers or something like that that they work with. When they dye those leathers, it presents a little bit differently. And so they sort of have this...
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Sure, there's a digital perfect representation of the color of classic orange, but there's this whole spectrum of the way that it shows up on leather. And they've sort of even further kind of winked at all of us by creating five or six other oranges. They have Hermes Fieux, which is sort of the fire. They have Hermes Sanguine, which is sort of this red hot orange like lava.
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Or they have the Hermes Moutard, which is sort of their mustard. And each of these is a little bit of, I think it's to continue to assert that we own the whole spectrum of oranges, but it's definitely to be able to stay current, stay present, encapsulate the theme of a season because every year they sort of pick a theme. And so they play with their oranges a little bit
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to evoke the whimsy that they want from this year's theme yeah there's this sort of like you know meta level or like corporate level playfulness to this too we own all the oranges totally the Hermes oranges are almost like to continue the Disney analogy it's almost like the people that go to the park and look for the hidden mickeys it's a way to even more deeply participate in the Hermes universe
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And they are, these patterns, you know, they're just as intricate as the scarves. There's less storytelling that happens in the tie. The scarves tend to be something you could frame and put on the wall and look at in 16 different ways and the story behind it. But it's still, I mean, when you look at it, you kind of can't believe that it was hand screen printed.
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Yes, it's to intentionally... ground the brand in history, in something that they were a part of that is only theirs because nobody else starting today is going to have that as a part of their history. They're leaning into the thing that makes them unique, special, the almost like defensible, durable asset that they have is that they participated in that era that has a nostalgia about it.
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Yes, and art is exactly the right way to put it. There is no utility to these displays, and these displays, much like any advertising that you see of Hermes today, it's not about the product. It's about how you feel.
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So I think this is an interesting place to revisit this idea that we talked about on the LVMH episode of luxury versus premium, where premium means you pay more and you get more utility out of a given product. I pay for a bigger storage space on my iPhone and I get more utility out of that. I can store more photos. Luxury means you pay more literally because it doesn't create more utility.
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We finally did it here on Acquired. Your AP European history class has now merged with business history. We're covering Napoleon.
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It is either more pleasing to you intrinsically for the feeling, or it's an extrinsic signal where you are signaling to others that you have the means to spend on this item even though it doesn't provide more utility. It's a sort of despite rather than a because. But art, it does fall on this spectrum. Art is like luxury taken to its logical extreme. It has actually zero utility.
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A Birkin bag is a piece of art, but at least it also carries your stuff around. Luxury products are this interesting midpoint between extreme functionality, but also artwork. And so when you buy an Hermes product, you aren't just buying the product, you're buying a piece of art, a piece of their heritage. a feeling that connects you to the maker and the place it was created.
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You're trying to buy a piece of Hermes' heritage and reputation and hoping to adopt it as a part of you, as a part of your identity. And you are seeking, whether it's conscious or not, to let other people know about this too. And you're not necessarily trying to signal it to everyone, but you do want to signal it to the right people who would appreciate it.
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Yes, you're taking a piece of that dream with you, and it's almost a daily reminder of the dream that you're now participating in. Right. Or features. Right. Exactly. You're out of the feeds and speeds world. You are not being comped against, well, this other purse is much cheaper and serves the same function.
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Now we have bundled in the function of the object and an unevaluable... Priceless feeling. A priceless feeling. And so now we can sell the goods for whatever we want because it's impossible to know the value of that second component that we've bundled in.
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And it's almost like as she's exiting a building and it's it almost seems like it's like a paparazzi type photo.
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And there is so much to say about these bags and how they're crafted and the lore around them and the supply and demand and the Econ 101. But before we get to that, this is the perfect time for another story about ServiceNow. ServiceNow is one of our big partners here on Season 14 and is really an incredible company.
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And that story is really the story of their CEO, Bill McDermott. When he took over in 2019, the idea that this just 15-year-old company would be bigger than Nike or Pfizer soon was insane. ServiceNow was the leader in enterprise IT automation. But what Bill has done since, like we talk about all the time on the show, is evolve that product into a true solution for the entire enterprise.
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Bill's story is great. He started his career at age 17 in a very different business. He bought his local corner deli in working class Long Island.
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And Bill realized that the kids, like him, who hung out at the store, they weren't coming there for the product. Sure, they wanted food, but it wasn't about the sandwiches. It was about hanging out with your friends. That was the solution. Now, this was the 1970s. Bill starts installing arcade cabinets, Pac-Man, Space Invaders, everything we talked about on our Atari and Nintendo episodes.
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And guess what? Kids spend way more time there, and Bill makes way more profits than just selling sandwiches.
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So after college, Bill joins the tech world in sales, rises through the ranks at Xerox, and eventually becomes CEO of SAP. But he's always bringing that mindset. Why are my customers really here? So when he joined ServiceNow in 2019, he takes them from, oh, you can make my IT function better to you can digitally transform my entire company.
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So if you want to learn more about the ServiceNow platform and see how it can transform your business, go over to servicenow.com slash acquired or click the link in the show notes. And when you get in touch, just tell them Ben and David sent you. Okay, David, so Life Magazine, the Kelly bag, it's out. So this thing must sell like hotcakes, right? Well, yes and no.
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And to your point, I keep saying it's launched. It's not really launched. They just rebrand to the Kelly bag. But when the Kelly bag is formally launched, it's really expensive. It's a nine hundred dollar handbag in the 50s, which today is ten to twelve thousand dollars. approximately the price of a Kelly bag today.
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So it comes out as this thing that is completely ridiculous and inaccessible price-wise. So the people who are buying it are the Grace Kellys of the world, and there's not really this stratified class below that that's got this huge amount of purchasing power.
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So, no, handbags do not immediately become a huge part of the business, or I should say the dominant, whatever it is today, six or seven times larger than silk part of the business right away.
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So David, 1821, you know, pretty rough time out in the world. Do you know who was born in this year, 1821, and was also an orphan? Ooh. We have talked about them on Acquired.
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Which is crazy to say, right? I remember this moment in the Porsche episode. You're like, no, come on. Porsche skinnied down the entire lineup to only making the 911 because they couldn't justify any of the other products and the whole company was a freaking mess. Hermes is not quite in those dire of straits, but I mean, they have the ingredients of Hermes that we knew today.
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They've got the Kelly bag. They've got the orange box. They've adopted the logo. They've got the scarves. They've got the scarves. They have these small workshops where they make everything, but it's not working yet.
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This is an important distinction between Hermes and all the brands you just named. They come from the world of couture and of fashion and of cutting-edge, in-your-face, risky art. And Hermes comes from, I mean, mind you, by this point, they're already 120 years old, 130 years old. They come from the world of leather and horses and durable goods that stand the test of time. And frankly, it's
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styles that stand the test of time. It's not how creative and crazy can we be. They talk about it as responsible growth. What's the smallest amount that we can move from our current compass in order to do what our clientele wants while staying true to our roots? It's a rejection of risk and almost an embrace of history.
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So it's super different than most other luxury brands, which, as you point out, come from fashion.
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Yes. And David, this is probably a good time to share who we chatted with in preparation from this episode and his observation about Hermes.
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Louis Vuitton himself. Ah, he will also come up here in a minute. 20 years younger than Thierry Hermes, but also an orphan.
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Absolutely. When Domenico De Soleil and Tom Ford and that team rejected Bernard's takeover and managed to not become a part of LVMH. And obviously then Domenico and Tom Ford left to start Tom Ford after that.
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Right, that Domenico helped us understand about Hermes is they have been so protective of their brand and this unbelievable steward. They're so careful at how they've chosen to deploy the brand. They make sure that the mystique is always there. They don't violate the promise. They never cut corners. They have been...
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above board in their brand promise and keeping that promise with customers for over 100 years. And that is a strength and a weakness. It's a strength as long as you learn how to employ it as a strength. In the world of fashion, it's butting heads. Yeah, it's antithetical to fashion. Yes, exactly.
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Well, today I will tell you that Hermes has a corporate policy of no consultants. And now I know where that came from.
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Wow. So the recommendation was to come in and destroy everything that makes you special and follow the playbook that everyone else is running.
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And isn't it amazing? You would think the best person out there to brilliantly come up with both the business strategy and the creative element is probably not your direct descendant. Right. Probably not your nepotistic family member. That's not the best search process to run, and yet it works. There's something about the – I don't think it's like this magical bloodline.
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I think it is a deep understanding of the tradition of the business, of exactly what type of sort of chutzpah the team has to rally and take on, having the political clout to find the right people and empower them to make the change. to have a sixth sense for where you sit in the marketplace versus competitors and what people may want out of your brand next.
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It's all the intangibles that come from growing up in the business make you able to be the right person to transform it.
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Yeah, especially crazy considering they both came from nothing. These people who would create the monikers of the elite, of what would go on to be the symbols of wealth and nobility, came from nothing and were orphans and at their greatest aspirations were craftspeople for the elite. They were almost servants.
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You know, it's funny. I called it a sixth sense. I think the right way to describe it is actually a je ne sais quoi about what you sort of absorb from those.
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Shut down your shop, where they still today make Birkin and Kelly bags by hand, one artisan at a time, in the most famous address in all of luxury and fashion, Nutso.
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We've talked too many times without actually talking about the saddle stitch. It's time to actually talk about saddle stitching. So listeners, you might be wondering, why do they keep saying this? What does it mean? Saddle stitching is an amazing technique that Hermes uses for every single bag that they make. It can either... I can't tell if this is true or not.
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It can either only be done by hand or until recently only be done by hand. But... It is a far more effective, high-quality, and durable form of stitching relative to the typical machine-sewn stitching that you're thinking about right now, where the same thread goes through one needle and it goes up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down.
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Yes. So how does it work? So there's something called a horse that goes between your legs, and the horse holds two pieces of leather together. The whole point of the saddle stitch is to sew two pieces of leather together. So you first punch little holes in the leather using likely a pricking iron as your method of doing this. And if you're good, you don't prick all the way through.
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You just poke a little hole with your pricking iron or all partway through. So that way you don't poke too big of a hole. You only end up pushing exactly a hole the size of your needle and thread through.
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And you can always tell if you're looking at something and it's stitched and there's these big freaking holes and then there's this thin thread that's moving through and there's space between the thread and the leather. You know what kind of craftsmanship went into that. If it almost looks like the stitch vanishes into the leather and you're like, is there even a hole there?
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It's hard to even see how this was done. That is a saddle stitch. So you take your pricking iron or your awl, you poke the hole or the partial hole. So there's a lot of muscle memory involved in this. You then pass one needle through going, call it from the right to the left side. And then you have a second needle... On the other end of the thread. So one thread, two needles. Yes.
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That you pass through the other direction. And so what you've done as you pull both of them through... is created this incredibly strong sort of interlocking mechanism there's tensile force going in both directions yes if it gets ripped you're not at risk of the whole thing pulling out and your saddle or your bag falling apart you just lose that one stitch and that one stitch can be repaired.
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And so the only way for you to unravel something that is saddle stitched together is to individually go through and cut every single stitch. Yeah. Compare that to most products that you own. Yes, this literally provides high utility if you're in an equestrian jumping competition or if your bag needs to hold something that really needs a lot of protection and can't fall through.
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It's almost like it started with real necessary utility because something life-threatening could happen. Now it's just massively overkill for everything that is saddle stitch, but you appreciate the craft behind it. There are very few people who are in a life or death circumstance that are dependent on their stitch holding true.
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Yep. And something that made this really special for hundreds of years, if not still, is that it had to be done by hand. So if you want something of this quality, this gets this interesting idea. Is handmade stuff better? Well, not necessarily. And Excel even says this in an interview. He says in 2019, today, hand stitching is the highest quality. So machines are a non-negotiable.
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When the quality of a machine stitching gets better than hand stitching, we will do it. We are not a museum. And David, this is where you're getting your we are not a museum quote from. But it really gets to this element of why are handcrafted goods desirable?
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Well, in this case, it literally creates something higher quality, more durable, certainly more aesthetically pleasing since when done well, you can't see that hole in between the thread and the leather. It's a pretty special process. And for everyone who's sort of wondering, okay, but what does the rest of creating one of these bags look like?
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Start to finish, a Kelly bag, and we'll talk about Birkin in a little bit, but similar story, is made by one craftsman. So one craftsman starts with... 36 unique pieces of high-quality leather. As much as possible from the same animal and matched exactly. Yes, exactly.
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And so it's not sourced from all these different places all over the world and one person's responsible for the bottoms and someone else is responsible for the straps. It is one craftsman that takes these 36 cuts and stitches it together. It takes 20 hours. And this is over the course of a few weeks to create this. So... One person assembling it all, putting the fasteners on it, stitching it.
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This takes two years to learn how to do before you are allowed to create one for the first time.
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So this knowledge is passed from generation to generation, and Hermes refers to this as the savoir-faire, or the know-how or the expertise about the materials and the exceptional technique that's transmitted from one craftsperson to another.
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Do you know, David, and I'll stop after this, but I thought this was pretty funny. Have you read the annual report, the 600 page document that they release once a year? I have to admit, I have not read it cover to cover. You did more of the history and I did more of this. But I've read large sections of it. I was reading it. I found myself laughing at how often savoir-faire was used in the prose.
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Every other paragraph, they just sort of throw in a savoir-faire. 133 times savoir-faire is referenced in the Hermes registration document.
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Yeah, fair. But I think the takeaway is real, that this knowledge is transmitted from one generation to the other in the very same way that it was from father to son all the way back at the founding of the company. And that is how they scale production. And we'll put a pin in that and come back to it later.
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Yeah, that's true. They have 15, this is flashing Florida today, 15 dedicated repair shops worldwide, and they mend 120,000 pieces a year. Wow. Amazing.
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Yeah, it's nuts. It's completely insane. And the people who don't work for Hermes, your options are in the dozens. If you go as a customer and you want something like a saddle-stitched bag or wallet or something like Hermes would make in that traditional sort of pre-war, early 20th century fashion... There aren't that many other artisans out there. Hermes employs 7,000 of them.
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I don't know how many other ones there are, 1,000, 2,000. And it's not like Hermes has cornered the market. They're hiring more people and training them as fast as they can. They're trying to preserve this market that otherwise would have entirely been zero. It's a pretty crazy thing that they've managed to scale, even to the scale that they're at.
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Welcome to Season 14, Episode 2 of Acquired, the podcast about great companies and the stories and playbooks behind them. I'm Ben Gilbert.
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And it doesn't cost them anything to do that because, I mean, on the one hand, you just say they're being a kind person and gave so much to your house for so long. On the other hand, this is the CEO of Hermes. Right. And I think it's important to realize these individual craftsmen are entirely non-competitive with Hermes. It's a completely different value proposition to the customer. Right.
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When you're buying Hermes today, you don't start from a place of, you know, I think I want some of the very best sewn leather goods I can find. Let me evaluate the whole landscape of people who could deliver that for me, and then I'll decide which maker to go with.
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Either A, you're doing that and you are a person who knows about a bunch of individual leather craftsmen, which is rare, or B, you actually just want to buy something from Hermes and there's not any evaluation going on. And maybe there is between big luxury brands, but probably not. The value proposition is not you have a need for a leather good and you can bake off all the competitors.
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I.M. Pei, famous from a number of things, including previous Acquired episode with Michael Ovitz, designed the CAA building in Los Angeles, designed the Louvre Pyramid.
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Yeah. Which, by the way, everyone in Paris thought the pyramid was hideously ugly when it first, relative to this 1700s building around it. And over time, now it's become this like iconic triangle pyramid, beautiful signature of the city.
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Well, there was a heyday of department stores. In fact, if you go way back, do you know how Hermes entered the United States? In partnership with Neiman Marcus. Yes. 1930s. Good. Wow. So you did find that.
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And it's a tall order to figure out how to revitalize, rejuvenate, make Hermes relevant for this new era with this new audience. With the same products. This is key. Right. Keeping the same products and not violating everything that Hermes currently stands for. We talked about this on LVMH, the Not Your Mother's Tiffany campaign.
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It's almost like, how do you not insult your current customer base by adapting for the next one?
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And this is how they've adapted for the digital era too. They've come out with like five or six different apps to try to figure out like how do we engage people in the mobile era. And one of the ideas that they had was this app that basically gives you suggestions and all the different ways you could tie a scarf.
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And it's pretty interesting if you can figure out how to coexist alongside cool, fashionable, new, cutting-edge things, then you sort of deserve a place in someone's lineup where they say, well... I both am embracing a current trend, but I'm also respectful of the past. I also found my own way to weave this high class, high status thing into the rest of my image.
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And I think that especially at their price points, they're serving someone who wants to raise one hand and say, I look cool and raise the other hand and say, I'm classic. Yeah. Well, I'm classic and I have the money to spend on things that are very price anchored. Everyone knows what a Kelly bag costs.
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And like, it's gone up a little bit, but Hermes has very high price point products that stay approximately that price forever.
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Right. Their daily driver is a Bentley because someone else is driving them and they have a Ferrari for when they occasionally want to drive a Ferrari. They'll climb in a saddle occasionally, but mostly they're in the carriage.
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And it's happening in this country-by-country way, which is perfect for a brand like this. Like, they can go to America, and then they will observe the rise of Japan, and then they'll go to Japan in the 90s and 2000s. Then they'll observe the rising upper middle class of China, so they'll go there in present day.
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They can really position themselves as sort of the second mover, where they can sort of watch, see when this wealth class exists somewhere, and then... Set up shop and say, hey, France's whole heritage is now available to you to adopt as part of your persona.
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It's super fascinating that French nobility, fashion, and heritage is universally revered everywhere. And Italian is too, like I would say European generally, but French specifically has an ability to do this in any geography as it develops.
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which is so funny because in interviews with her as the Birkin bag was blowing up or at least getting a lot of attention, an interviewer joked that she was going to be more famous for the bag than for her acting career and her modeling and all that. And she sort of laughed and said, wouldn't that be something? Yeah, right.
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But totally 95%, if not more of the listeners to this podcast will have no idea who Jane Birkin is before this episode.
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Yep. Or at least you know of the Birkin bag. I'd bet 7 out of 10, maybe 8 out of 10 people listening to this couldn't spot it. But if you say a Birkin bag, you sort of know that it's like a unattainably expensive, high-status, hard-to-get handbag.
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By the way, how crazy is it that the Kelly bag was to hide a pregnancy and the Birkin bag was designed to carry baby bottles and... Baby forward.
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You know what we should do? We should come out with a $15,000 diaper bag. Right, right, right.
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And she doesn't know who he is at first. It's the funniest thing. Right, right, right. And she says something like, well, yeah, wouldn't that be great if there was a bigger bag that actually closed and, you know, but Hermes doesn't make that. Or she made some comment and he goes, I am Hermes.
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And specifically for her, she sort of fancies herself someone that has a lot of stuff and wants to bring all my stuff with me. So I just need a big bag and it needs to close easily. Fashion be damned, I just need a huge freaking tote.
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And the Kelly has cleaner lines and this sort of beautiful, almost mid-century trapezoidal shape, whereas the Birkin, everything about it kind of screams function.
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There's tons of American wealth being created. People are looking to be a little bit flashier. Now, granted, Hermes is the least flashy of the luxury labels you could adopt, but people know the brand.
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And we are your hosts. Today, we tell the story of a handbag company that won't sell you a handbag. A traditional saddle maker that makes very little of their revenue from saddles. A company that somehow has grown to be worth over $200 billion despite rejecting manufacturing efficiencies and economies of scale.
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And there's a real lore around it that it's hard to get. And it's just like with a kid. If you tell them they can't have something, they want it a lot more. And if you tell your very fancy clientele that you would love to be able to get something for them, but there's just not enough...
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And we don't have it today, but gosh, if you are a great customer of ours and we maintain a relationship with you, let me write down your number. I feel like we may just have something for you soon. Could be a few years, but I'll reach out as soon as we have something. You're an important customer of ours. And if you want to show us you're an even more important customer, please do, by all means.
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I don't think so. I actually had a wonderful Hermes associate that I worked with in the Exxon Provence store, and it was crazy. I mean, we bought basically the most entry-level Hermes products that you can buy in one of their stores. I think perfumes are sold in department stores and makeup. There's some more accessible things, but in terms of the durable goods...
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Started at the bottom, you know, had a delightful time and decided to buy something. And I think we spent an hour and a half and I had the most wonderful service and built a almost friendship with the associate who helped us through the whole process, spending as much time with me as they spent with someone coming in to pick up their Birkin bag.
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It was a crazy, probably that best customer service I've ever received in any retail establishment anywhere. So, no, I don't think I would be a good Hermes sales associate relative to where the bar has been set.
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I have to imagine it's a little bit different experience in the French countryside as compared to... The Stanford Shopping Center. Yeah, I could see that. But back to the Birkenbag, by 2001... It becomes so widely known that there is a waiting list, a sort of almost secret, shrouded in mystery waiting list to get one of these things, that it is the main storyline of a Sex and the City episode.
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And Samantha figures out that there's a way to jump the—I think they use the number five, five-year wait list—
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And she name drops one of her clients, her celebrity clients. in order to say it's actually for them to try to move up the wait list, you know, calamity ensues. They actually figure out that it's for her, not the client.
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I actually haven't watched the episode, but this is a cultural touchstone for the Birkin going from something that is sort of whispered about in handbag circles and well-known by the wealthy elite to something that is now a very well-known phenomenon, which is Good luck ever getting a Birkin bag.
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And, you know, the crazy stories about the most expensive one ever selling for $500,000 on the secondary market and Victoria Beckham having a collection of over 100. And, you know, it's crazy. You know, it has become the Patek Philippe nautilus of handbags. And people look at it almost as an investment.
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And which is crazy, right? It's starting at $12,000 handbag. And what you're saying is that's actually not the constraint.
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And your Hermes SA will not be very happy that you did that because the point of buying one is to own one and use one and appreciate the craft and the work and the beauty that went into this product. And Hermes is not trying to sell it to people that are going to flip it. They're trying to sell it to valued customers who will be people who appreciate the Hermes dream for the rest of their life.
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And there are some very cool stories of people who are transitioning from a craftsperson who makes goods to repairs them later in their career and who receive an item back for repair where they were the original creator of that handbag.
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And that is the coolest, craziest, full circle Hermes moment for any Hermes craftsperson to see this thing that I made that I really wanted to be durable and stand up in the world. How did it actually perform? And to get it back 10, 20 years later and see it has got to be crazy cool. Yes.
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Hermès
So today, everything we're talking about here, the Birkin bag, the Kelly bag, these $10,000 to $100,000 retail handbags, depending on the type of exotic leather and everything, and the scarcity are referred to as a category of Veblen goods. And so this is essentially the opposite of everything you learned in Econ 101.
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Yes. So normally, price is where supply meets demand. So as the price of a good increases, demand for it would go down. A Veblen good is the opposite. As price increases, people actually want it more. So price ends up being a signal that the item is desirable, and thus it stimulates demand. Now, interestingly, David, this is exactly what you were talking about before.
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Birkenbags sell below the market clearing price. Yes. That is another defiance of microeconomics. Normally, things should be priced exactly at the intersection of supply meeting demand.
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So interesting. But... One way to look at this is, oh, it's lost revenue. Their prices aren't high enough because they can only make so many of them, and they're selling them below the price people are willing to pay, so there's money left on the table. But another way to look at it is that it's an investment in the brand.
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Hermès
So there's a very good Substack writer, 310 Value, that we'll link to in the show notes, who observed...
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The supply-demand mismatch creates scarcity in these two bags, and that scarcity likely creates more demand for the bags, elevates the overall status of Hermes, and creates demand for Hermes' other products as customers buy Hermes' other goods to build a relationship with the company in hopes of being allocated a bag at the below-market retail price.
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Hermès
Yes. And it's not as simple as, well, they just keep raising the prices to make people keep wanting them more. You read that in the luxury strategy, and many luxury brands do that. In fact, Chanel has done it in record amounts the last couple of years with the, I think it's called the Chanel Classic Flap Medium or something like that.
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But that's had this crazy appreciation over the last few years where Chanel is just raising the price. Hermes doesn't do that.
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So it's like 5% above, 4% or 5% above inflation. Which is more, but not an egregious amount. Right. There was a study that found that the Birkin 30, which is one of the sizes in Togo leather, didn't even equal the rate of inflation in the US. I'm trying to figure out what the motivation here is because it's a tremendous restraint. There's no cash grab happening.
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Hermès
And maybe it's because what bad things would happen to Hermes if they decided, you know what, Birkins are 20 now, not 12.
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And they sell a lot of them. So like that actually would be a lot of profit dollars. Right.
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Right. The Wall Street Journal estimated in 2020 that there's about 120,000 of the combined Birkin and Kelly created each year. So 120,000 bags a year, I mean, if you decide that you want to make another 8,000 of pure profit on each bag, That is tempting, and I think it actually says a lot about Hermes' obsession with conservatism, that they don't meaningfully increase the price.
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Hermès
The Kelly is not far above its original 1950s price, inflation-adjusted. I think the Birkenbag, the retail price was around $2,000 when it launched in 1984, so call it... maybe $6,000 inflation adjusted. So, you know, you're looking at maybe twice the price that it launched at on an inflation adjusted basis.
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Hermès
So I guess the point I'm making here is I think we should keep in the back of our mind the rest of the episode this question of why doesn't Hermes raise the prices? They're already getting the benefit either way of the sort of trickle down of people participating in the Hermes ecosystem to hopefully get the call one day. So why not make it even more expensive when you do get the call?
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Hermès
Yeah. Okay, so 1984, Birkin release, doesn't sell well for the first five years, then it becomes this cultural touchstone and gains steam every year after that.
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Hermès
Correct. It has to be like a Taylor Swift concert in order to instantly... I actually think it's a reasonable comp that like her concert was a extremely scarce... brand new product priced at an extreme premium that did sell right away because the product had so much of the brand in it.
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Like you knew exactly what you were going to get from going to the Taylor concert because you're extremely familiar with the brand. But it's not necessarily well understood that the Birkin equals Hermes in the way that the Arras tour equals Taylor Swift.
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Every single one of those family members... most valuable asset in their entire net worth is their privately held Hermes stock that nobody can really put a price tag on. But it's just sort of sitting there in everyone's mind of like, it sure would be easier to live my life if I knew that this 90% of my net worth actually were something that I could access.
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And an even split, that's $25 million a person. I'm pretty sure it's the most valuable thing that any of them owns.
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Hermès
And thanks to our friend Christina, Vanta's CEO, all acquired listeners get $1,000 of free credit at vanta.com slash acquired. David Rosenthal, let us return to Bernard Arnault. It's been 12 months. It's been too long. I've been wanting to hear the other side of this story.
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Which is interesting. You say he spotted Hermes. It wasn't hard to spot. The interesting thing is not that he realized it was the crown jewel of luxury. It was that he realized that the crown jewel of luxury could be worth 20 to 30 times as much as it was already worth.
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Hermès
And by the way, when David and I are referencing these Axel interviews, it's one interview. He's made a random appearance here and there, but he has done one long form on stage interview and it is fantastic.
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Hermès
Right. So that really illustrates the point you were making earlier that the creative and the business sides of the house are one side of the house.
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Right. He did that internship, his sort of five-year apprenticeship, but then he left, right?
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Wow. So he is an expert in corporate structure. Yep. And he's an expert on this pretty interesting luxury market in the next 20 years, China.
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Which, listeners, you should know, jewelry is not an important part of the Hermes business. It's one of the 16 métiers. They don't even break it out in earnings. It probably rolls up under other Hermes sectors because I don't think it's under watches and I don't think it's under ready-to-wear accessories. All of other is 12%. So I'm going to guess this thing is like 1% to 3%.
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Which that's 43% of the business. And I think at the time it was closer to 50%. Yes.
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And at least in retrospect, they try to make this seem like not a big deal that a non-family member took over as CEO. They sort of bill it as... Well, they needed someone to look after the business in the interim period before the family was sort of ready to have the next heir.
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Oh yeah, this is so interesting, listeners. If you listen to other coverage of Hermes, you will hear this story.
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Great for business. These are like the disruption waves that enabled him to create a business.
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The family and the board is so aligned that no one even asked a question about this. They just stood and gave applause. And here's how this went on a meta level, listeners. I heard this story. David heard this story. And David texted me at one point and was like, isn't this an odd story? And I was like, what do you mean?
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And we sort of realized, oh, this is not ever told by any of the family members or company executives anywhere. It's just sort of out there. And the company is not secretive. They love telling these legendary Hermes stories. Yeah, and they've got a 600-page document they release once every year that clearly lays out their entire strategy.
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Hermès
They produce documentaries interviewing their artisans, showing videos of their factories. So it rings a little bit odd. It's like, okay, well, why are they not telling this story given how often it's bantied about?
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Hermès
For $150? And they're making enough of it that it's flying off the shelves? What company is this? How on earth did this happen?
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Hermès
It's almost like when I was sitting there watching Wonder Woman 84, and I was just so appalled at what I was watching that on this meta level, it occurred to me like, the story here isn't the plot of this movie. The story here is how do you have such a... process failure at Warner Brothers where this thing was let out the door. That is a failure of creative leadership.
Acquired
Hermès
And that is what you have going on with a $150 canvas tote bag after 175 years of successful Hermes brand stewardship.
Acquired
Hermès
Right. This is like the weird stuff going on at Nike when they were buying, you know, Converse was the good example, but Starter. And it was almost like they didn't realize, oh, we should be concentrating our firepower behind our one hero brand. They were trying to create the constellation of weak brands.
Acquired
Hermès
Now, one argument, you know, bootmaker John Lobb and all these other companies that they either bought in whole or in part, it became important for them to own their key supplier relationships.
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Hermès
Yeah, especially in watches, where they actually fairly recently took a 25% position in the company that makes the movements to make sure that they have enough supply coming to them. But that wasn't all of what they were doing. They were also buying other brands.
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a company so obsessed with craft and a reputation for quality that they have stayed independent while every other luxury brand has merged into conglomerates. That's right, listeners. Today, we tell the oldest story we have ever told here on Acquired, older than Standard Oil or The New York Times. This company dates back to 1837 in Paris, France, the crown jewel of the luxury industry, Hermès.
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Hermès
Yeah. If they made an Hermes edition Leica camera with a... They did? I should probably look into that.
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It reminds me of when the New York Times did all of this with all the TV stations in the 90s, too. It's almost like every company that ever thinks it's a good idea to start buying up other brands is wrong.
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Hermès
I remember Louis Vuitton's key client was the Empress Eugenie. Is Hermes the same client?
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Hermès
Yeah, that's such a good point. It's funny, I have a playbook theme called Selling a Sense of Place to Those Outside It. The numbers behind this are crazy. Today, 76% of their production is in France and 85% is sold outside of France.
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First of all, 76% of production in France is kind of incredible, the fact that they do this with all these different workshops that are sort of scattered around the country.
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But yeah, the incredible French history that is encapsulated by the brand and the French nobility and the French sense of place, it really is just an intangible connection to the culture that is lusted after everywhere in the world. Why on earth would you throw that away when that really is the essence of your core asset?
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Which I think is quite impressive. Absolutely. The fact that they were able to link arms like this and say, in the face of someone trying to make you and all your relatives collectively a multi-billionaire in liquid cash. It's kind of incredible to link arms and manage to rebuff it. Totally.
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Which, hey, game recognize game. That's a great point. He's got a point. If you want liquidity, I mean, this is the trade-off you make.
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Which is so funny because that is still, in some ways, both of their legacy today. Yeah.
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Right. And all it takes is one weak link or probably a few weak links because the ownership is so divided into tiny chunks by this point. Six generations in, it's pretty peanut buttered around. But still.
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Hermès
Right. I cannot be the last. And it would kind of suck to be the second or the third. Right.
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Hermès
Dude, you and I should contribute. We should make an A51. Even though it's completely unnecessary, it just feels right for acquired. I think you and I can each maintain 24.5% stakes, but A51 really should...
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It's so interesting. I wonder if you actually can structure articles of incorporation to say under no circumstances can this entity sell what it owns. Because normally what you would do is say like it requires a vote of unanimous from the board of directors, blah, blah, blah. But that leaves you vulnerable to the board of directors getting lobbied and convinced.
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Hermès
And so I wonder exactly, I mean, this is not a public document, so we can't really know, but I wonder how airtight can you really make something and how irreversible?
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They're like, Bernard, you will be dead when this expires. That's exactly what that is.
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Which we should say, listeners, in case you don't know, there's a lot of stories floating around in the press right now that Nicholas Puesh is going to give half of his stake in Hermes, which represents something like a little under 3% to his Gardner or like his ex-Gardner, who's now like 5%. 51. Nobody knows his name. Nicholas does not have children or heirs or other heirs. Right.
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Hermès
So there's a press story right now that just shy of 3% of Hermes could be given to the family gardener.
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Hermès
Whoa. Okay, that's significant. I wonder how this Gardner thing is going to play out.
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The fact that they actually rebuffed this offer and that Bernard sold down his stake is crazy.
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So massively appreciated stock. They basically created value out of nowhere here. This billions of dollars landing in Bernard's personal bank account, he has created that money out of nowhere. Right.
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he had this Russian doll structure where he owned a slim majority of an entity that owned a slim majority of an entity that owned a slim majority. And so he was able to generate a bunch of liquid cash from all the minority shares that he sold off, but he still got to control Dior, LVMH, Group R, R&O, because he was technically the majority owner of each of them.
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Hermès
Right. Hermes is deeply rooted in French history, in Parisian history, and really a key part of how France as a nation has the identity that it has today.
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It's crazy. And the reason why no one's a loser here and everyone's a winner is because Hermes truly is the crown jewel. It is such an unassailable, exceptional business. The last 12 months, it did $14 billion in revenue, $5.7 billion in operating income. They have a 71% gross margin and a 44% operating margin. It's a software business that doesn't need any R&D.
Acquired
Hermès
Yes, that is absolutely right. There is a quote that I want to start with for the Excel Dumas era, which is possibly the best articulation that I've ever heard of business strategy anywhere. And he did it in the interview that we were talking about. So he says, every decision that we make has got some reverse effect, which I think is like a French translation for trade-off.
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So every decision we make has got some trade-off. There's something I really like about strategy in Michael Porter. Strategy is accepting that you are doing something better than the other, and the other is doing something better than you. You have to pick your fight. I'm always a little bit disappointed when I see someone on my team say that we do everything at the same time. Great.
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That doesn't happen in real life. You have to pick your fight. And Hermes picks their fights better than anyone.
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This is a dead art in the world. And Hermes manages to crank out hundreds of thousands of products that otherwise would only be created by individual makers with no infrastructure and no brand. And it'd be really hard to discover them. And frankly, they would all just go out of business. Most of them go out of business anyway.
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Right. You have a global brand now, like you need to figure out how to serve the demand for your brand.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
Muhammad Atta, who was the lead terrorist on board one of the flights that crashed into the World Trade Center, apparently took flight lessons in Palm Beach County at a flight school.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
Anthrax can enter the body in three ways. It can be swallowed, seeped through cuts in the skin, and the most deadly way, inhaled.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
This individual is being cared for by a very well-trained and expert team of physicians. from within the hospital in Palm Beach.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
This is a very serious illness, but once again, it's an isolated case.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
I want to reiterate, this is an isolated case. This is an isolated case. The disease is not contagious.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
The Centers for Disease Control has just confirmed the diagnosis of anthrax in a patient in a Florida hospital.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
There was such enthusiasm over a conspiracy theory that had no basis.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
I felt betrayed. It'll haunt me for the rest of my life.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq. Saddam Hussein could have produced 25,000 liters of this deadly material.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
This is United States. Half of the FBI field office from Washington is at your home. This is not a joke.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
As all Americans know, recent weeks have brought a second wave of terrorist attacks upon our country.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
The latest letter to have been discovered is thought to contain literally billions of spores.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
The letters sent to NBC and the New York Post were the same.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
Take penicillin now. You cannot stop us. We have this anthrax. You die now. Anthrax. Are you afraid?
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
They broke the front door, and there are agents with Uzis and moon suits.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
It's one of the most devastating things that's ever happened to me. It'll follow me forever.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
I want to look my fellow Americans directly in the eye and declare to them, I am not the anthrax killer.
Aftermath: Hunt for the Anthrax Killer
Episode 1: Isolated Incident
Now it's obvious, I think. I think we have a terrorist act of proportions that we cannot begin to imagine at this juncture.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
What about nuclear, Mr. President? Yeah. So let me just give you a statistic on this. China's building 150 nuclear reactors, and they're only spending about $2,500 a kilowatt. In the U.S., we're not building any, and our cost to build them is about $10,000 a kilowatt. And China's about to build as much capacity as 20% of the total U.S. production in nuclear.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
We clearly have a problem here in nuclear.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
President Trump, I wanted to ask you a question about Roe v. Wade, you promised your base that you would overturn Roe v. Wade, you added three people to the Supreme Court, and you delivered on that promise. This might be the issue that determines the election. And many people believe it is. Are you going to do a national abortion ban? Would you support that? Yes or no?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Just shifting back to foreign policy for a moment, Mr. President, on the relationship with China, it's funny how Democrats and Republicans seem to have a unified voice and banging the drums on the rise of China. Do you think that war with China is inevitable? And if not, how do we avoid it?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
President Trump, do you think that Fauci and our government funded gain of function research? And do you think we should really be pursuing the investigation deeply into that? And if we did fund gain of function research, what does that say about China? our government and taking ownership of it because a lot of us lost a lot of years kids didn't go to school. And it caused economic damage.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
As you pointed out earlier, the amount of money you had to spend to try to avoid a depression was really severe. And if we funded that, what does that make you think about our government and then Fauci covering it up? If that is in fact true? What does that make you think about our government?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Did he lie to you about the origin?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
But did Fauci lie to you, I guess, is what the American people want to know. Did Fauci lie to you? And if he did, should he be prosecuted?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
The more important point, I think, Mr. President, is we need high-skilled workers in this country. We need to recruit the best and brightest from the world. Every time we get somebody super intelligent from India or Europe, any country, Yeah, and three of the four here are immigrants, the ones without the ties. And we can get these great people into our country.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
And that's a loss for our adversaries and our competitors. And it's a gain for us. But I've never heard you talk about this. Can you please promise us you will give us more ability to import the best and brightest around the world to America.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
RFK says the CIA killed his uncle. Do you believe that?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Promise us you'll come back again.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
You have a prediction for the debate next week. What's going to happen?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Is he in cognitive decline? Do you believe he's in cognitive decline, Mr. President?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
We appreciate it, sir. Thank you. Very appreciate it very much, sir.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Thank you. Thank you, sir.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Wow. That was some hour, boys. What do we think? Let's do a wrap up, huh? Do a little wrap up here.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
J. Cal, what are your big takeaways?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Well, I'm undecided, as you know. We had a limited amount of time with him.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I told you you'd like him.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
If you want me to answer the question, what I'll say is there are some blockers I have that we didn't get to. January 6th, obviously. I did, you know, one of the blockers I have is obviously Roe v. Wade. And I think he handled that question really well. And I think we may have gotten a little bit of breaking news there in terms of him saying he would not do the national ban.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
And I think that's a big concern people have. And I think that's maybe the issue. According to a lot of experts, I'm sorry to sound like Trump, according to a lot of experts, people believe that could be the deciding issue of the election. And so I think he handled it really well by saying the states are going to choose and he's not going to do the federal ban and he believes in the exemption.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Which is what 80% of people want. Right, 80% of people want women to choose.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
That was the part I like best if I'm being giving grads green cards. That's like, such a good breaking news, too, by the way, I think we elevated the discussion about immigration beyond the wall and into recruitment, which is what I have been trying to do on this podcast for a couple of years here now. So to hear the president say, I will do that for you, because I want that. That to me,
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Faber, what's your take on him? You haven't come out and said who you're voting for, but this is your first time interacting with him. albeit for 50 minutes in a group setting, but what's your impression?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
It's a difficult forum because we can't go deep and ask responsive questions and we don't have a lot of time and there's four of us trying to ask questions. So the format is a little difficult to get to the heart of the matter on some of these complicated topics like federal spending, deficit, debt. Yeah, we need two hours.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah, and I think you need to just be able to like hone in on the question, you know, his response on how are we going to reduce kind of the bureaucratic overhead and the wasteful spending and the federal government and he kind of pivoted to the Department of Education. That's 3% of the federal budget. I want to talk about the rest of it.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
And you know, we're at it took us 200 years as a country to add a trillion dollars to our federal debt to go from zero to a trillion. And now we're adding a trillion every 100 days. And it's going to take a lot more than just 1% to 3% cuts in spending to get us out of the spiral that we're in.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I also am concerned, I think very rightly so, and I think he acknowledges the concerns that were mentioned by Larry Summers, that tariffs plus tax cuts could lead to serious inflation and economic contraction. Those are really difficult things to do together unless you have a very clear plan for massively cutting spending at the federal level.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
So I don't feel like I got to the heart of the matter on those points. And as you guys know, that's what I care so deeply about. I think we need to fix the machine to be able to do the things we want the machine to do over time. And I'm very deeply worried about that.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Do we really buy he's going to do this terrorist thing anyway? Like, it seems like that's a bit of pandering maybe to the voter base. It sounds like a great solution, right?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
But I don't think he's going to do it. Yeah. Once the economic advisors get together and look at the analysis and what this will do to costs of things, inflation will go up, etc. You know, maybe there's a rethink ultimately on how that's implemented and on what particular slices of the economy it's implemented.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
So I'm sure as you point out, it probably gets toned down for this to, you know, to even become a reality.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah, I mean, it's almost exactly going to be the same 6.5 to date from Biden 7.8 trillion.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah, he talked about 1929, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I think any modern politician wants to spend because it's popular. I just think it's their nature.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Which is what my follow-up question was, right? I was trying to ask him, can you actually do it as president or not? Like, is there the wherewithal to do it?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I think the other aspect I wanted to see, I'm really glad he talked about de-dollarization. And he mentioned it up front. And so that to me, really resonated, it really rings true to the effect of US spending, US foreign policy. So much of this is driving, and I'm concerned about, right, driving the Saudis into the arms of the Chinese and other foreign adversaries to the United States.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
And I would have really liked to have spent a little time with him on the Saudi relationship, where he sees that headed. how the Saudi relationship will affect the Middle East and how the Saudi relationship could affect the U.S. dollar and dollar reserves around the world.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
But I think he's acutely aware of de-dollarization and foreign reserves in dollars being sold down and that there are serious effects to that. I didn't hear a follow-up on like...
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
what the specific responses will be, you know, to the drivers there, which I would have loved to spend a little more time off, what do you think will be the viral moments to come out of this, if any, what do you think the mainstream media or social media will take from this any moments you think we're breaking news or notable?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
If we're going to rebuild trust in our government and institutions, we're going to need a lot more transparency. And if that one's hanging out there, why not resolve it? I mean, did he say he thinks the CIA did it? I think I heard him say that. I think the CIA did it.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah, we're going to need to see the transcript on that.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
He did not say that he thought the CIA was behind the attack.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Well, and then dovetailing that, Sax, the Fauci discussion where he said, I don't trust, I never trusted Fauci. And then kind of pushing it on like, hey, do you think it should be prosecuted? Did we fund it or not? Seems pretty clear. He believes we funded gain of research. His position was, I just didn't want to spend the money, which I appreciate about it. With China. With China, yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah. And so what did you think of that point? Yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
He was very respectful, actually. I was very surprised to hear how he respected Fauci and how he framed his response to that question. And I think that says a lot.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
In fairness, he has gone in on people pretty hard over the last eight years.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Let's be clear. He said over again, I will be your retribution. So he may not have said it on this podcast. Did you get any of that in this interview? No, I've just heard him say it 50 times in the last 60 days. But, Sax, where would you like to have seen him be stronger?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Where would you like to have seen him be stronger or different on any of his major positions? What would you, as his advisor, advise him to shift or double down on a bit?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah, when he says it would never have happened, like I'm always like, you know, like it would never happen to me. I would like to have a little more of the why. Why do you believe that? And he never gets into the details. He just says that over and over.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I mean, I didn't get to ask, but one of the things I had chewed up was, I just think you've done a phenomenal job in talking to people who most people feel are difficult people. people to get along with, you know, Kim Jong Un, Xi, Putin.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I think it's the superpowers talking to dictators, despots, people who are cantankerous and difficult, and he always seems to get the better of them, or at least get the He at least gets our interests as Americans aligned with whatever their interests are. So I think- J.K., let me ask you- Give him an A plus on that.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah, I don't want to be insulting. I'm asking, like in the past, you've said that he was embracing the dictators and he was kowtowing to them. I think you've said comments like that in the past where- No, I don't know if I said- Yes, or something that felt like he was more trying to embrace and engage with them in a way that's like, why would you?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I've always felt you should talk to everybody all the time. You know, that's not my issue with Trump. You know, it's never been my issue with him. I think that's a superpower. The fact that he went into North Korea and stepped over in the DMZ, you saw the look on Kim Jong-un's face. He just, Kim Jong-un just wants a little attention. He wants a little recognition.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
And this idea, like, we're not going to give him any recognition is stupid because if you give him a little recognition, now you're sort of tilting him towards, hey, maybe you could be part of this. Like, maybe you could come to the West and see a movie premiere or come to the NBA finals as opposed to start lobbing, you know, dysfunctional missiles over Japan. Yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I love that video. You know that video where they're like setting up the little press shooting in the conference room? Oh my God, that video is so funny.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
The smile on Kim Jong-un's face when Trump says, you want me to go over? Should I go over? Should I do it now? I'll go over. Okay, I'm gonna walk over. And Kim Jong-un is beaming and you're like, he just played him.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I honestly feel like there's a little bit of a blinders to the question, like there's a pivot back to what I've done, what I'll do versus the like, let's actually talk about where we are in the debt cycle. And this is exactly what like history repeating itself. At the time that you take on all the debt, you drive internal conflict. January 6 is a great data point. You drive external conflict.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
We've had two or three wars start in the last four years. How do we reverse those things so that we don't repeat history? And we sat down with Dahlia and we asked him this question, is there a way to not repeat history? And he said, yes, there is. And we talked with Graham Allison about this. And all these guys believe that there's a way to avoid it. There have been moments where
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
We've nearly had the external conflict. And that's why I asked him about war with China. But I want to understand if there is this broader kind of construct of what is going on. Because he hits on all the data points correctly. De-dollarization, increased spending, bloated bureaucracy.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
conflicts around the world without taking it all into perspective and saying man like this is where empires die i guess he does say that right he he does actually highlight exactly what dalio doesn't do what malay does though right like malay has said to the populace that's exactly yeah malay he just needs to take that next malay step and say i will cut half the people working at these places he kind of did say it when it came to education i don't know what your interpretations were gentlemen back to an entrepreneurial economy right allow capitalism i
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I just hope he gets the right people around him, Sax. I mean, I need you in that cabinet.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
No more Giulianis and stupid people. Put smart people around him, not drunks.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
We need a cabinet and advisors on regulation and nuclear, on AI.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah, I hope that's right. I pulled up some data going into our conversation. I just want to read this to you guys. Totally off topic, but I just want to say we can cut it out if you want. But construction for the Francis Scott Key Bridge, which is 1.6 miles long, when it was built in 1977 was 141 million bucks, about 740 million in today's dollars.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Today, they're estimating to repair, you know, that's the bridge that collapsed in Baltimore. They're saying it's gonna cost, you know, $2 billion or more to repair that bridge now, you know, 40 years later. California's bullet train project in 2008 was supposed to cost 40 billion. We're 15 years into this thing, we've spent 18 billion.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
They're now asking for 140 billion total to build 171 mile track. That's a billion a mile. Let me just tell you this other fact.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah, and China just spent $300 billion to build 16,000 miles of high-speed rail. They're spending $18 million a mile. That's 2% of the cost. of the California high-speed rail system, 2% per mile, we are 50 times more expensive than China. That is where superpowers shift. That is the fundamental premise of the shift that we've seen five, six times in the last 500 years.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
That's the question for the president.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Yeah, I mean, is it just time to privatize all that stuff?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Well, it's layers of...
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I have heard conversations that there is an economic argument, I don't know if I buy it, that one of the reasons that they're trying to leave the border open is there is a... low cost labor pool that grows, that actually is is beneficial to economic growth that there's just not enough in the workforce today to like think about the cost of building that railroad in China versus the US.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
You know, the the average income in the US is a couple turns on what it is in China. You can also say you don't want to answer the question. Between the two?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Man, ask this question more specifically. Yeah, honestly.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I think Trump hits on it way more than Biden does. Yeah, he definitely hits on the concerns that I have. I don't know if he has the path that makes me feel like, great, this is going to work. Does Biden? And I think the other thing I worry about is the leadership problem with Trump. Meaning, I don't mean him as a leader in terms of effectiveness, but just this like...
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Trump derangement syndrome is not something to be ignored and to be disparaging of the people that we all, you know, that not we all, but people say have Trump derangement syndrome. It's a fundamental like tilting that he does. And he tilts half the people in the country. He tilts them. And I think that that is really, and maybe the other side is true as well.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
No, so that's one argument. Or maybe when he tried, maybe there's a way to use unifying speech instead of divisive speech.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I want to hear Biden face-to-face. I want to have a long conversation.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Maybe it's a different approach and I'm wrong and I'm just referencing the history with him. And I do agree with you that the way he spoke today about people that have been antagonistic about him or to him, like Larry Summers and Fauci. did surprise me, particularly after years of him sending out these tweets every morning about people that are antagonistic about him.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
And it was quite refreshing, honestly, and it felt different. So you know, I will give him credit on that point. I will I will like agree with you on that tax for sure.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
All right, everybody, this has been another amazing episode of the All In podcast. Thank you, David Sachs, for getting President Trump to come on. President Biden, you are, of course, invited to come on. We encourage you to come on. Give us 50 minutes, give us an hour and a half, whatever you got.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
I'm just restating it for the record. By some means, somebody in this group says we should talk to the All In team since they're a top 10 podcast and every other presidential candidate's been on. Who knows? Maybe somebody decides he's going to be able to keep up with the group. I don't think he can keep up. That's the big challenge for the Rain Man, David Sachs.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Shamath Palihapitiya, your chairman, dictator, and the sultan of science, David Rupert. I am the world's greatest moderator. I didn't moderate today. I'm sure I guessed, Sax. Great job. We'll see you next time. Great job, Sax.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Love you, boys. Bye-bye.
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In conversation with President Trump
Rain Man, David Sax. And instead, we open source it to the fans, and they've just gone crazy with it. Love you, Wes. I'm the queen of... Wet your feet. We need to get merch.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Mr. President, can I just ask on your point about the tax cuts? Larry Summers made a comment the other day, and I thought maybe you could respond to his tweet that the tax cuts coupled with the tariffs that you've proposed would cause a massive—I think he called it the mother of all stagflation—
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
where you would have kind of inflation because of the tariffs, you would have economic decline because more money would start to fund an increase in prices with tax coming down, tax cuts being put in place. Can you maybe just comment on the comment made by Larry Summers and how we implement tax cuts without inflation?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
One of the things we've talked about, President Trump, on this podcast a lot is the deficit. Under your administration, we added close to $8 trillion. Under Biden, it's going to be paradoxically about the same number. Seems incredibly unpopular in Washington to cut costs, but that's something we're going to need to do. What's your plan? And it looks like you're going to win a second term here.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
What's your plan in your second term to control spending? Can you get it under control? Is there the will in Washington to allow you to do that?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
Can you talk about your impoundment authority intention? You mentioned that in the past that you could go in and reduce the bureaucracy and the spend. I always tell people my position going into the election is less than I'm interested in knowing what the government's going to do for me.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
And I'm more interested in knowing what the government's going to stop doing that doesn't do any good for anyone. And there seems to be a lot of that. And I'm really curious to hear, sir, how you think about using the impoundment authority vested in you as president of the United States to reduce some of the bureaucracy, wasteful spending and create accountability.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
In conversation with President Trump
And what's the you know, is there a team that you've built around you to help build a specific plan on backing out of some of these issues?
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Yeah. That guy. Justin Long's really talented. He's very funny. His acting to me seems effortless.
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She's like, why? I go, why? She goes, dummy, you're not smart enough to know what they're doing to you. You're like the fucking porn star who just moved out here to be an actress. Next thing you know, you're fucking 10 guys. Right. And you've only been here a week. Yeah. Like, she's like, do not go. And then you got to leave. Yeah. And then you're like. Straighten your life out.
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That was Sugar Magnolia that I was just saying, but Scarlet Begonia just caught me off guard and I started crying in the kitchen. Keep going, keep going.
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i thought that was interesting that you could get the sense yeah of dictators and and emperors and rulers you buy a box for joe no no no i didn't you know it's so funny i was gonna buy i was gonna buy everyone i was gonna text everyone and go who's your favorite uh conqueror or who for your favorite dictator yeah but uh i didn't i just bought it for me and it smelled good it smells really good oh it actually smells really good do you wear it and feel big uh
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No, you know what? It reminds me a lot of this Tom Ford cologne that I bought. I just started wearing cologne. Is it called Little Man, the Napoleon cologne? No, I don't know what it's called. Napoleon wasn't that short compared to everyone else though. No.
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Like everyone was short back then. Oh, okay. So you think it was 5'3", but like the average person was 5'6". Yeah, yeah, yeah. But have you talked to Joe at all? No. Not at all?
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Uh, I've, I don't think he's ever talked to me about you negatively. When he sent me that text, he was just like, what happened with you and Maren? And I was like, I have no fucking idea. That's just the internet taking it and running with it.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
Yeah, and running with it. And Joe texts me because we're boys.
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You know, there's no reason. Life's too short. And I've never, I think if you were in Austin, you did a spot at his club, he'd give you a hug.
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It is funny when you, when you have, uh, like interior, uh, I don't know the right way to say this. I wish I could just tell you the fucking story, but I can't because it would just cause so much drama.
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Yeah, how you can build something up in your head and then it's not real at all. And you're just like, holy fuck, I've been thinking about this for like six months.
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Do you know, as I was with Barry Katz for a while when I first started, and Barry Katz, I have to say this, he is a little bit of a, what's the Dharma Bombs? Oh yeah, Jack Carraway? Yeah, like he just has like, sometimes Barry has a, A very casual insight that he doesn't... I don't think he realizes he's giving you some deep game shit.
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He just is like... I remember I had this... Well, he was a real hustler.
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But I don't know. I think he's doing his podcast. I think he's still managing some people. I did his podcast and I just shit on him for an hour and he loved it. He said to me one time, and then this is like the gold you'd get from Barry. And I've got a few great gold nuggets that Barry gave me. I don't think he realized what he was saying to me. I bombed at a...
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
an icm showcase i'd done i'd done two showcases before got a six-figure deal another six-figure deal third time's a charm let's get another six-figure deal yeah and i tanked i bombed and i was like i was in my head and i was like i called barry the next day and i was like yo i you need to get me a new showcase like you need to get me back up in front of those people because um because i i that is not representative of who i am and i want them to show them see how good they are and he goes papa
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I think you're overestimating how much people think about you. I said, what? And he goes, no one's talking about the guy that didn't do well. Yeah. He goes, what have you been thinking about all day? I said, me. And he goes, that's what we all think about ourselves. Yeah. And he's like, he's like, I wouldn't worry about it. Go for a hike.
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And you're just like, yeah, you know, I've had imaginary drama with people. All the time. And I've built it up in my head so big, so big, that I'm like... I'm like, oh my God. And then one time I had drama with a person and I sat with it forever. And then when that person, I reconciled, that person was like, just so you know, I thought about this a lot. And I was like, thank you so much.
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I go, thank you to match my energy because it bothered me so much. And he's like, it bothered me so much. I was like, oh fuck.
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But it was happening to me with so many people at the time. It's like, because I was like, I was doing well. And I thought, I didn't realize what I'd done. What I did was I had created this summer festival. This is what, from what I can gather. I created this summer festival and I brought my friends. And I was like, you know, and other people too. Like people I wanted to meet, like Bruce Bruce.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
And like I brought, you know, I brought Bruce Bruce. I was like, I want to watch Bruce Bruce do stand-up. I had him on my show on Marin. He's fucking awesome. He's great. He's so fucking fun. And then Jelly Roll came out. And I made these friends. But what I didn't realize is I became Comedy Central. I became the man who was not giving opportunities to comics.
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Why didn't you bring Neon? Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I alienated myself from a lot of people who then looked at my success. And I'm like, fuck him.
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But I was getting that a few different times. And then when that clip hit me, and Joe's like, I thought you were boys with Maren. And I was like, motherfucker. And I go, even Mark? Like, I didn't think, Mark, I couldn't catch it straight from Mark. And then the man just sat with me. You know what's so funny, Mark? It was totally Andy Chappelle.
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That's a very powerful statement because I've seen that happen to people. Yeah. I've seen that happen to people and I've had it almost happen to me. Where I said, on this last special, they were like, hey, we want to do a special with you. And I was like, great. And they're like, shoot it in October? And I was like, no. And they're like, that's what we'd like in October.
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And I was like, my dates might be off. And I was like, no, it won't be ready in October. And they're like, wait. Can we get it by October? And managers and agents are like, October would be great and we can route it. What city do you want to shoot it in? You're like, hold on, I won't be ready. And then I was like, I want to do it in July. And they're like, that's a different calendar for them.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
now yeah whole thing yeah it fucks up their placement and i was like well i can only shoot it in july because i need to do stand up from october to july that's right ready for it that's right but i watched that happen to comics i had a comic one time it's like he was like uh yeah i got a deal at netflix and i was like for real he was like yeah i was like oh fuck yeah yeah i go when he's shooting special and he's like uh probably end of the month i was like and he goes how often do you how much do you go out to get ready for a special and i was like
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
well, I'd go 180 days straight where I don't come home. Like, I'm pretty strict about it. And he was like, I was like, no, 90 days straight where I don't come home, 180 dates out. And I know that I'm marked down, I have to do, and so I put it on a big calendar in my kitchen. I write all the dates. I'm like really neurotic about it. And he goes, oh, I'm doing like a couple of weeks.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
I don't know which is worse, the fact that Chappelle's going to hear this now and go, oh, thanks, Bert.
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Did you, did you, when you, was there ever a moment when you lost Lynn that you thought about, well, I could just get fucked up and this will go away?
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So, but how, like, I'm curious, like, how did you, you had to go to rehab to stop?
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No, dude, I, I, I said, I, I've had a, I had a fallen out with the guy I was opening for. And I, and I said, I'll never open for anyone. I will never be anyone's opener. I will never be anyone's. That will never happen again. And I remember Joe one time saying to me, he was like, Hey man, I'm doing this like fun theater. You should come out with me. And I was like, yeah, I don't open for people.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
you know who said that to me uh i offered it to i offered schultz to come out to do uh something i think was maybe the super bowl or fully loaded and schultz was like yeah man i'm open for people and i was like i respect that yeah well yeah so like that you know i yeah i remember i was in the in the parking lot of the comic store all up and like everyone like i got kicked out of the group
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
It made me feel good. It's funny, the internet will take... I stopped. For a long time, I almost found it like... I don't know. I was stupid. I was naive to think that if I had an issue with someone, I could talk about them and not say their names. And it's the biggest mistake you ever make because people assume it's someone else.
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Mark, I knew you then. Sure. That was when you were married?
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Fucking Dave Becky I've met. This is what I'm trying to stop doing. I like the back and forth. Yeah. I've never thought I met Dave Becky. And every time I meet Dave Becky, I tell Dave Becky, man, I've never met you before. And the last one was at fucking Ted's house. And I go, and they go, introduce me to Dave Becky. I've always wanted to meet Dave Becky.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
And they go, birthday is Dave Becky. And Dave goes, we know each other. And I said, Dave, I've never met you. He goes, every time you meet me, you say you've never met me. And I was like, fuck, for real? He just doesn't look like what I think he's going to look like.
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And then all of a sudden, you've got to go like, yo, Ron Funches, I didn't talk about you.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
Oh, that's fucking hysterical. Yeah, it is funny that like, I remember Norman was going through something negative online. I don't know if some guy made, I don't know. And he was really worked up. And we were at Red Rocks. I was getting ready to do Red Rocks. And he kept bringing it up. And I was like... I was like, it's not in my world. We don't need to talk about this.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
It's all I can think about. I was like, hey, I haven't seen it. So until I've seen it, don't fucking worry about it. The second I see it, then I'll tell you, heads up.
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You know, comedy's gotten so big. It's now like professional sports.
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People can make a living, a good living, and I don't begrudge them making a living just commenting on comedy. Is that true? Yeah, of course. Yes. Very much so. Who does that? A lot of people. A lot of people. Like on TikTok and shit? Yeah. There was a guy who has a podcast and two guys. One guy's a comedian and the other guy's, I don't know if he's a comedian, but I know his comedian friend.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
And so I saw them very, I think it was a popular podcast and, uh, I won't shout them out because I feel bad and I don't want them to get any negative. But like I was in bed and I'm scrolling and I see the dude. I know the comic. I know I go, Oh, Hey. And, uh, He goes, man, Bert fucking Chrysler. And I was like, oh, I'm about to get some flowers. This is going to be nice. I can use this.
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Might as well say their name because it's coming back to you.
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So I go, yeah. And then it cuts to his podcast partner. Now in that short time, I have followed them and liked the video.
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Before you even fucking Bert Chrysler. I go, well, they're going to follow in a like.
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And cuts to his podcast partner and his podcast goes, fuck that guy. He is so fucking annoying. Oh boy. And I was like, Oh man. And so, but Mark, I've already followed their podcast and I've liked the video. And so I was like, I wrote, I wrote a DM to the guy. I was like, Hey man,
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I got to give you, I got to tell you, like, I just got to let you know, I followed you and, uh, and I liked the video. I didn't see what you said about me. I don't, I'm not mad at you, but I don't want you to be confused when you see that I've followed and liked the video. And the guy wrote back to me immediately. He's like, I am so sorry. I talk shit about you.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
I don't know any of these fucking people. But Nick Mullins, first of all, he's fucking hysterical. No, I know he's funny. Him and Stavi together, when they did the Comptown, that was one of the funniest fucking podcasts.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
When you start breaking people's ticket sales and breaking people's attendance records, that is what I found gotten people's feelings. And I'm watching it happen. I'm watching it happen to a bunch of us now who are, you know, now are not selling the tickets the way that, like, Shane Gillis is. Shane Gillis is setting record tickets everywhere. Nate Bargatze? Nate Bargatze does...
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
Dude, there's so many. That's why I had a joke, the dumbest joke in the world. I wish I knew magic just so I could get out of a ticket. Cop comes up to me and he's like, excuse me, are you having drugs in this car? And I go, no. we have no drugs in this car. And he goes, I go, a matter of fact, the marijuana is behind your ear. It's yours.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
And he was like, what the... And so I was like, it's a good joke, right? I'm really proud of it. And I would write jokes from time to time like that. And Kyle Cease went up and did magic and cop. And it was my joke. And I was like, I don't think he's seen it. And I haven't seen him. We're just writing the exact same... Of course. Of course we are. It's kind of a basic thing.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
Mark, this has been a great conversation. Yes, sir. I'm really glad we did this. Me too. I'm really glad to know that it's Chappelle, not me.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
Okay. And I can't wait till you do Rogan. We'll be so fun. Oh yeah. I don't think that's going to happen. I love you, buddy. Love you too. This episode was brought to you by the machine.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
does two shows in an arena. He does a four o'clock and a seven o'clock.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
It's just the way it is. The gossip between us is pretty wild. It's fucking crazy. I had Jeff Dye on here the other day. Who? Jeff Dye. Yeah. And he was trashing you. But it was just him upset that you were rude to him. And he was like, I fucking love Marc Maron. But it's like, that's the way you talk about someone at high school. You're like, wait, what? He fucking did what? But he was just like.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
He was mad at me? He was mad at you because you were rude to him when he was younger or something.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
Mark, can I tell you? Yeah. You're going to get me back on Zins, I fucking swear. I just went to the doctor because I thought I had mouth cancer. Yeah, from Zins? I don't know. I just had a lump. Oh, yeah. And then all of a sudden the lump went away and I was like, should I just not tell them about it?
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
That might be the single hardest I've laughed on a podcast in a long time. Fuck it. I wish I could do that. I wish I could do that. I wish I could just be ruthless and just be like, say, speak my mind at times. I bite my tongue. You know, there's a girl.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
I hope you can get over it. Do you go to bed at night and, like, regret things?
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
um because i'm one of those guys that if i like like last night i geeked out over brian austin green and i wish i could have just not talked and been like it's so happening with that guy i just who's that guy now brian austin green he was in 90210 and i saw him and i kind of lost my mind because he was in 90210 and we watched 90210 in college and he came up he was like i wish i wish i had i regretted how i behaved he goes
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
He goes, hey, man. I don't know that guy either. Yeah. He goes, I'm a big fan. And I went, you know who I am? And I wish I hadn't said that. Yeah. I wish I could have been just, thanks, man. Me too. That's what I wish I had said. But I go, you know who I am? He's like, yeah, of course I know who you are. And I was like, shut the fuck up. I was like, Leanne, you really know me?
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
And he was like, yeah. And I just acted like an idiot. But you were being honest. I was being honest, but I wish I was cool.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
They come and go. i was i would uh i would get this is how neurotic i am i looked i longed for the days of johnny carson's cigarette box yeah where someone would fill up a cigarette yeah yeah yeah i would get uh what like sea salt holders you know like the with the and i dumped my zins in there so i have fancy oh right and i never knew what flavor i was getting
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
And he's like, I love you to do the podcast. I was like, I want you to do my podcast. And I was like, and then I was like, dude, I, and I was talking about Luke Perry. Like I just made it uncomfortable. I talked about his two dead friends and I'm like, I shouldn't have, I should have never said anything. And I should have just been like, cool, but I can't, I'm just not.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
I feel like, I feel like I talk too much. It's what I'm going through right now. I feel like I need to shut the fuck up. Really? Oh my God. Why? You mean on this? On everything. Really? On everything. I'm like, no one's meant to have recorded themselves talking as much as I've talked.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
Were you listening to bears? I think Tom and I had that conversation yesterday.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy too, because my friendships are my friend. My friendship with Tom is, is, I mean, primarily a business relationship right now because like we never do stuff like friends anymore.
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Well, I, I, I honestly, every time I have Leanne come up, we're sleeping in separate rooms.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
No, yeah, no. Uh, I usually say to Leanne, I'm talking to Marc Maron today. What do you want? What do I want to talk about? And she'll go like, what do you, what do you want to ask him? Cause the things I want to ask you, I don't, I won't ask you. Cause I, I sometimes they're private. Oh, like the passing of your girlfriend. Oh yeah. Really fucking kind of stuck with me.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
I really fucked me up. Fuck me up. I imagine. Yeah. It's fucking horrible. Uh, like that's like, that was like the, and she goes, well, ask him, ask him what about it.
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# 664 - Marc Maron & I Clear the Air
Oh, so is it a surprise? Oh, hey, pass me the Zinos. Have you had Zinos? Oh, no. This was, this is, these guys, is it Zinos right there? Lucy, look at how many they sent me.
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Well, she said she was black, but people say that she's not black.
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And can I tell you, and I know Peter knows this. And late in life, I found out I had two real attractions that I just missed out on. I'm not saying I'm not happy with my wife, but I'm saying two things I would have liked to have tried. One is Indian chicks. Whoa. I fucking think Indian women are so beautiful. Whoa. And I didn't discover that until I was probably 27. Okay.
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And I was like, what is this thing? I grew up in Florida. I wanted a ton of Indian people.
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Crazy. Shut the fuck up. Crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fire. Oh, dude. Pull up dark skinned black women.
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It's got to be. It's got to be one white guy and an Asian guy in their dorm room.
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When pause came out, you guys only had that to yourselves for like two weeks. Yeah. And then we got it. And then we start using it.
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Yeah. When I was a kid, I grew up in Tampa, but I would spend time in- I was just in Tampa.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's accurate. You know what's interesting about Tampa? Is unlike Miami, the further you get out, the more different cultures you find. Like the further you get from Miami, you all of a sudden get into this wealthy white West Palm or Boca Grande or you get... I mean, you get... Miami's Miami, but then you get further out and you get real like Kodak Black.
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I think he was Boynton Beach, maybe. But those are all those areas. The further you get out from Tampa, it's just redneck.
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No, crackers. So the phrase cracker came from... Slavery never really got heavy in Florida. Not because of good people. soil. So slavery only really worked if you had a farm. And the soil in Tampa and from like Jacksonville below, like just Jacksonville had slavery, probably Tallahassee had slavery. But as soon as you got to Ocala and down, the sand was bad.
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And it was only good for raising cattle. And so majority of of all the counties that you hear in Florida, they're all Civil War generals who owned cattle ranches. And the way they moved cattle was with a whip. And so they'd crack it.
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Yeah. Can I tell you the crazy one? So this is kind of real, kind of not. But Leanne one time at school said, wait one cotton picking minute. That one's bad. You know what? You know what the phrase means though, right? So a New York minute is a fast minute, right? A New York minute happens in 45 seconds. A cotton picking minute, cotton picking is the most tedious task you can do. So it's long.
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So it's a... Wait one cotton pick a minute. When you say that, you give me a little longer time. That's what they're saying.
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Oh, whoa. I never heard it used like that. So get... So that was racial.
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I think I'm too fat to use a glory hole because my stomach would push. I'd have to be like this.
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You know what I mean? That's a big Northeast thing. Because there was a period where all I was wearing was basketball jerseys. And we went to a bar. It was like bar restaurant and I had a basketball jersey on and they had a sign that said no jerseys, no loose pants, no, you know, and I was like, oh shit, I'm in a basketball jersey. I go, wait, why no basketball jerseys?
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What are we doing? Let's let's let's talk about bringing back segregation for one second.
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Oh, I know Joyelle. Fuck yeah. I saw that clip. And it was like, and she was like, bring it back. Yeah, yeah. Because there's a lot of places where white people would be knocking on your doors going, please, we fucked up.
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I would love to be on the other side of a glory hole and see dicks coming through.
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What the fuck is liverwurst? Here's the thing with white food is you end up having to like it. So you're like, okay, like have you ever had Scrapple? You end up having to like it. There's white food. Shit on a shingle. Okay, look, hang on. Have you ever had shit on a shingle? No. Type in shit on a shingle. My mom made this every Saturday morning.
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Just to be like, yeah. Just to be on the other side going, no. You think I was going to suck that? Come on. Take it back, buddy.
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Every Saturday morning, my mom made shit on a shingle. It's chopped. I think it's chopped ham, beef. What is shit on a shingle? It's like chopped beef in a gravy on toast. And it's dried beef. It's dried beef, milk, butter, and a tad bit... And then I just seen a bunch of peas just sitting there.
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We had... I did a TV show with Snoop. And he saw my lunch one day. And he goes, what are you eating? I said, well, it's just tuna fish. And he said, what? I did... First year, go big. And I didn't know we could order out. I go, it's just... It's tuna fish. I'm putting it on salad. And he goes... He was, can I order you lunch tomorrow? And I said, sure. And I got there. I'd never had it before.
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I had oxtail. I went up to Papa and Wall, and I was like, hey, can I eat with you guys every day? And they were like, yeah, every time we order, we'll get you food. So whatever they ordered, they got me one serving. That's what's up. Golf courses would be the same.
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Although black golf courses. Have you ever played black golf?
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There's music. There's joints. Yeah. There's talking during backswings. There's betting on whether or not people make it. Ten bucks says you can't stripe it down the fairway.
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I think the better question is, how are you guys so comfortable?
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Yeah, there's a thing about being white where it's, like, shy is the brand. Yeah, but I wonder what that's about. I don't know. It's got to be about wanting to fit in, wanting to... like wanting to like edge your way up. Like I grew up in country clubs and there were rules. There were just rules. And so I, and I can't get them out of my head.
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And like, as much as a, as I am a different person than ever I was as a child, if I fucking go to a, if I go to anyone's country club, I tuck my shirt in. I, uh, I make sure that everything, like I say, yes, sir. No, sir. No, ma'am. To everyone. I like, I follow rules really strictly. And when I play golf, I follow every rule to a T. And, but that's the way I was raised.
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So when I went to calm, uh, red grant, you know, red grant, red grant asked me if we go play golf with him one time. And I was like, yeah, I'd love to. He's like, great. We'll go to my course. And he said, and I'm just driving. I call him. I go red. I don't, I'm pulling into fucking South central. And he goes, yeah, that's where my course is. I go, there's golf courses down here?
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He's like, yeah, you fucking idiot. And he was like, and I got there and it was so different. When you want to see a fish out of water, I was just like... I was like, this is how I wanted to behave as a child. Like as a kid, I wanted to be like this, but my dad would just go, no, hey, play ready golf. Let's go, buddy. Let them play through.
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some of the porn that gets into my feed is white guys just, it's like cock and ball torture.
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Yeah. I don't know. That is such a great question. Why do, Christine, why do you think you're so stiff? You're like one of the stiffest white people I know. Christine dated a black guy.
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Yeah. Conservative, man. Black people are just black conservatives.
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Paid for his own high school, paid for his own college, threw track scholarships. That's back when segregation, so you guys weren't running against him.
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He was really good before, you know, you guys. Hey, do you know what I found out today? Martin Luther King was a shot on stage. Really? I always thought he was shot on stage. Is this like some true shit or is this some... He was shot on a balcony. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. I knew that. My whole life, I thought, I swear to God, I thought he was shot. You shot at the church. I thought he was shot during.
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I got really obsessed. I wanted to write a joke about it because I have an obsession about Martin Luther King. Like a real obsession. He's a good luck charm for me. I have pictures of him everywhere. And like my movie. That's racist. He's a good luck charm. That's racist.
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We're going to kill this interview. Oh, I'm going to make little baby MLKs. I bet I can't.
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For your key chain. Uh, he's in my movie. Like I put him in my movie, a poster him in my movie. I put him on, he's on my tour bus. I've shit about him all over. And I was obsessed with the, I have a dream. Did you know that the, I have a dream? It was, uh, it's not, it didn't, he didn't open the speech with it. He said at the end and he didn't even plan it.
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There was a, a Christian singer, like a gospel singer. Martin Luther King didn't have a closer. He was like, you know,
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think I heard something like he didn't write that he didn't write it yeah someone said tell him about your dream Martin and he goes I have a dream and everyone's like that's good and he's like I think I got something here I have a dream and he closed on it but it was this it was this chick's idea and I thought that was crazy I also thought I assumed that's where he was assassinated was during that speech that's why that speech was made famous it wasn't it was at the hotel at the hotel and Jesse Jackson was standing at the hotel yeah yeah
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Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I got to make those little keychains.
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Somebody downstairs, get on it. Find out. I want a price point.
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Oh, that's appropriation. That's so much appropriation. I don't know where to start.
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Yeah. They've got Martin Luther King, but I need like a, what are the things? Nah, you need a leprechaun. I need the figurine.
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Wait, go to your website. Will you go to, will you go, go to her website real quick? Sam. It's probably gone. You don't have a website anymore? Probably not.
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It's stepmoms. It's stepmoms. What's that about? I think the divorce rate is so high. I mean, it really speaks to the divorce rate in this country that we're having a genre entirely based on. Like, if we could just keep marriages together, I think we wouldn't have that at all. But I think so many kids lose touch.
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Can you tell if you see a fan walking down the street, can you go, oh, that person's going to know me?
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What spot do you go to the most where you get blown up? If I go to a dispensary, they're definitely going to know me. I go sneaker shop, they'll know me. I go to REI every single day of the week.
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Explain Harlem to a... Harlem's one of those places I think every white guy's heard of, but every white guy listening right now has never been... I would say never been to Harlem. I don't think I've been to Harlem.
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In all honesty, whatever one is in my bag... So, like, I... This is crazy. I get Kool-Aid left for me everywhere. Everyone leaves me Kool-Aid. When I go to the airport, there's Kool-Aid waiting for me. People have packets. Fans give me packets of Kool-Aid. Anytime I go to a hotel, there's Kool-Aid waiting for me. They have Kool-Aid set up. I just always go red. I always go red.
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They move in with their dad and their dad bangs some hot fucking 27-year-old chick that's just like 10 years older than them. And they fantasize about that.
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I just pitched to, I was with this four-year-old the other day and she wanted lemonade. And I said, I don't have lemonade. But what I have is I have strawberry lemonade. She goes, I want lemonade. I said, well, hold on. Lemonade is a great compliment to anything. You put it with iced tea, you get an all-in plumber. You add lemonade to anything, it makes everything better.
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And you like strawberries? She was like, I do. And I was like, trust me. So I made it for her. Now, I made it for me. I made it in a 32-ounce cup. She's four. I think she's four. And I gave it to her. It's too big for her. She didn't even know what to do with it. But man, she drank 32 ounces of strawberry lemonade.
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What's your favorite soda? Hang on. I'm going to. Donnell Rollins told me there's an answer to this.
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There needs to be a TV show called Let's Get to Know Each Other where we talk about things where people now just go, oh, shut up. That's crazy that Donnell said Pepsi is black as Pepsi.
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If you had to have a soda with a nice dinner, they said you couldn't have a drink. You had to have a soda with a nice dinner. Sprite?
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Yeah. And by the way, I drink it so fast. I drink a can and a sip.
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In a parallel universe, I don't live here with my wife. I live in upstate Washington and I have a beautiful blonde wife. We have a bunch of St. Bernard's and I...
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spinner things yeah yeah yeah and brown spinners and i'd have a big big beard yeah and i wouldn't really care much about hair loss do you chop wood and stuff oh fuck yeah yeah oh yeah and i'm i'm outside so much our grass is really thin green grass are there kids yeah there's kids they're all blonde like really blonde all boys are one girl okay are they like strapping young boys like
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You know what they're like? They're like, they have motorcycles and they ride dirt bikes around the house. Oh, okay.
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Yeah, they're wild. My wife's wild. She's got like, her upbringing was crazy. She grew up in a commune. So she really just wants our kids to be free.
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Yep. All right. Instead, I got a rural redneck. I think I scored on this one. If you had said to me, if you had said at a young age, pick your life, I know what I would have picked. And it would not have been this. I would have wanted... I would have said, I want to be like a lawyer. I want to live on the ocean. I want to live on Davis Island. I want to have a boat.
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I need... I don't mind stepmom. I think stepfather, stepdaughter is gross.
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I want a tall, hot blonde chick. I want tons of boys. I don't want any girls. I don't want a girl. I want boys. We're going to play baseball. We're going to have season tickets to the Bucs. That's my life. I'm going to have a badass car, but I'm a boat. Life's going to be great. I am not even remotely close to that. Like I have nothing similar or recognizable in that scenario. I have two girls.
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I am married to a woman that I didn't think I was like dark hair, brown eyes, fair skin. But the difference is, I don't think you'll get this. The first time I've gotten a lot of, a few chicks naked and the blondes ones, I've gotten them naked and it was cool. But when I got my wife naked, it felt like she was showing me a secret.
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And I was like, for whatever reason, I've never, this was never in my game plan. But when I saw that person naked, I went, okay, this is different.
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Yeah. I would have really drank myself to death. I'm kind of doing it now, but I would have really drank myself to death.
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No. What about parallel universes for you? What did you see yourself doing when you were a kid? Before you got into stand-up, before you knew stand-up was an option.
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I won't. And I mean, I hope this doesn't sound racist. Nothing with an Asian dude. I can't.
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If you could drug me the night before, just move my body. Yeah. Put me in a coffin underneath the plane. I don't care. Yeah. And just keep me drugged and get me there.
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When I just got an offer to perform somewhere in Paris, they were like, yo.
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I think it's because they use the phrase taking up space or taking space. Because, you know, the wicked girls were saying holding space. And they would say, it's a woke term to hold space for someone. I first heard it from our trainer. She kept saying it one day. And I was like, wait, did you learn a new phrase? And she was like, I try to hold space for him. And I was like, okay.
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It's everyone almost. I can't even, like, I think people say they're liberal, but they're not even really liberal anymore.
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Yeah. Asian guys are always, in my opinion, in porn, they're very gropey. Like, oh. Yeah, yeah.
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That's what I felt every time I watched Entourage. I was like, I should be watching something smarter, but God damn it, I love it.
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I do. I do. When I first moved to New York. I had an epiphany. I live with two gay women. And I didn't know they were gay at first. I dated one of the chicks.
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I think I made a couple of people. You ever hear those guys that are like, I could switch you back. I was like, I switched them over. I switched a bunch. I'm not even, I got like a couple under my belt.
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And then the girls are very mousy, like, ee, ee, ee. And it's just those noises don't, don't.
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I think so. Damn. I'm a lot of tongue. I'm a lot of like, it's like me eating. I do it fast and I'm doing it.
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I like doing it. I don't know. The first chick I ever kissed made me stop. She goes, she was like, shout out. By the way, she's gay. Damn!
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Oh my God. The first chick I ever made out with. It's gay. She was a twin.
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Like if we just are hooking up and I'm good that night, then I get lazy.
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I feel like Leigh-Anne should say something. Leigh-Anne, just come up here and speak up. God damn it. I love alcohol. No, there's these two girls.
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two women i live i was dated one of them and then they she was like i want to move in with you i want my friend to move with us too and i was like cool friend was adorable um they're both beautiful beautiful and then i realized they were gay right i was like oh shit you guys are dating and they're like yeah i was like oh okay and then i had this epiphany and this is like the wildest
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Cambodian bitches. Okay, yeah, I can do that. Yeah, I can do that. I had a period where it was a bunch of black dudes and one chick, and they were just talking mad shit to her.
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You know, as like a meathead from Florida, now living in New York, and I realized that there is zero difference in how you fall in love. Gay people fall in love just like straight people. It's the same shit. It's just wanting to be loved, wanting to be with someone, wanting to cuddle with someone, watch a movie, wanting to, hey, do you want me to make you something to eat?
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I'm making something for me. And it was funny because I would be there. I'd be like, oh, I'll take something to eat. And they're like, I'm not making you food. I'm making my girlfriend food. And I'd be like, oh. Oh.
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Male friendships... You know, it's so funny. I think there's so much to be explored on this because male friendships, it's so wild you say this. I used to have a bit about a... men only dress so that they don't look gay. Like that's the only... Our clothing option is so limited. We only dress in what we found socially acceptable with our friends.
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If you tried something new, like a fucking mesh tank top, and you came downstairs in college, your boys would light you up. So you had to dress so that they liked it, which is kind of gay.
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Wild gay. And so I was trying to do that. And then I was like, you know, male friendships... It's like, it's so hard to get deep with another man at times, you know, because there is, there is like a, but with like my wife, that connection is so fucking there. I can say anything to that woman.
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And it's so funny because sometimes, especially if you date like a woman, they'll use words to talk about feelings. And then if you slip up and say that word in front of a man, they fucking melt down. I said to my buddy Corey one time, I said, I'm sorry if I was acting stinky. He goes, the fuck did you just say to me? I go, I've been acting a little stinky to you.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
And he goes, hey man, don't do that. I go, what? He goes, don't do your chick talk to me, okay? That's not who we are. I was like, okay. He goes, fuck. He goes, I gotta go home.
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We just shut down. It's really hard. It's really hard, I think, for the average man to have like a heartfelt conversation.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Oh, thank you. Your energy is, I mean, first of all, you're just, you're a joyous person. But every time I'm around you, I just go, I feel very comfortable.
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And by the way, I wouldn't do this with him. And Peter is, Peter, I think we can say, is one of my closest friends. Yeah. Do you hear them laughing downstairs? We had that conversation today. It was a gay conversation.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
That's good. I would never run a cologne by a dude, but I would run it by a woman, but I'd run it by you first. I feel like you would be able to tell me.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Yeah. So I'll get you right. It's like, it's like selling cars to a car salesman.
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Like, what's your, like, if you could hook up with one celebrity that you get to pick?
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I hope there's one. I hope Heather Locklear is listening to this going like, come on, give me a shot.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
So, like, I could, like, I would always, I mean, I hate to say this. I'd probably go older. I'd, like, go Susan Sarandon. Something, like, fucking wild like that.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Wait, okay. You would give me 10 guesses and I never would have guessed that.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
So can I ask you a weird question that like I would ask? Go back to the series of pictures of her. This is crazy. So that's not her hair on the far right, right? Or is it?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I know, but I didn't know. I watched Chris Rock's movie, Good Hair.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I watched that movie and Leanne and I went to dinner and I couldn't stop talking about it because there were so many comparisons between white guys and black women with hair. Hair is such an issue with white men. It's specifically like the idea that you start losing your hair and then getting hair transplants or wearing a toupee or sprinkling it in.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
There's so many comparisons that I was like intrigued. And we went to dinner and I couldn't stop talking about it to Leanne. And then our waitress comes up and it's a black chick. And Leanne goes, do not ask her about her fucking hair. And I was like, I kind of have to.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
If he didn't have this job, he'd be a loser. And I said, you'd be a doctor or a lawyer. And he goes, no, Bert, not all Asians are smart. And I go, of course there are. And he goes, no, we're losers too. And it never really dawned on me that good stereotypes don't permeate everyone.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Obviously. And my favorite black nerd in the world, my favorite one, is the ones who ride motorcycles. Because those are, not, now listen, motorcycle community is cool as shit. A lot of them tough as shit. But there's some couples looking for something to find together, right? Yeah. Scuba diving's too dangerous for them.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
They don't want to get physical, but they want to get into something together. And I, when I took my motorcycle license test- You go to a room and you sit in the room. And I remember this couple. It was a black couple came in. And they were just the sweetest couple. And they were looking for something to get into. And they wore full leather outfits. And we weren't getting on motorcycles that day.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
We were just taking the class test. And they were in their outfits. They got matching outfits. And I was just like...
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oh this is my favorite couple and then they passed the test together and they'd already bought motorcycles they'd are they're like we already got our motorcycles lined up we're doing our first trip and i was you know it was a small class dude there's a mexican guy that that fucking have you ever been to black beach we black black bike weekend no yeah you gotta fuck with that i would i won't i like that you you're quick you're like we're gonna find out yeah at myrtle beach
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
God damn it, he had a heart attack when I was like 40? Yeah.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
It's so black bikes are black motorcycles, meaning black owned motorcycles are completely different than white owned motorcycles. They really are. They're like fucking... Look at that. Look at that thing. That is fucking wild.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I would do... If they still made television, I would do a show exploring different cultures.
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Tom and I did that gay bar takeover, the Bears. Yeah. And I found it so heartwarming how welcoming they were. Leigh-Anne went up and sang Loretta Lynn at the end of the night. And I was at a table full of gay men. And they were like... She's doing Loretta Lynn. And their reaction was so authentic. I didn't understand it, but I was like, wow.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
And then they were singing with Leigh-Anne, and they already knew the words. It was so crazy.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
You know, there was no ass to that, so it was completely butthole free.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Uh-uh. All right. Yeah, this guy, me and him rubbed dicks together.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, if they knew what happened in that butthole, they'd be like, no, thank you.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Oh, I am a fucking, I am a abstract painter at that point. I love, yeah, we could do a show where we just explore different cultures.
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Yeah. You know what I mean? I'd be a bear. Obviously, I'd be a bear.
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I'd be... I think I would be a more authentic bear. Like I think you'd see parts of my body in my outfit. So like I'd have like the arms and the paws and it would be almost like a halter jacket where you saw my real chest, my real belly. And then I wore the pants and the pants.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Yeah, like a jean jacket vest. But you can see, then I have my real pants. Like my pants would be my legs and my paws for my feet. I like that. But, like, yeah, I don't like too cartoony.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
That's just fun. That would be... Like, when they... I just saw... What did I just see? It was... They just had the big one with the guy... I want to see... He's, like, a Middle Eastern dude who plays in, like... He plays in, like, Timberlands. And he's, like, the GOAT of the 4th Street court. I don't know what you're talking about. See, type him... 4th Street Goat basketball. It's on 4th.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
So that's when... What special did I watch that you shot? You shot one special in Atlanta, right?
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Yeah, that shit's fire. No one buys shows like that anymore.
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Is that when you're talking about traveling with your chick?
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There's a black beach where we grew up. It was Bethune-Cookman.
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Beach. And there were good waves, so we'd go over there to surf. But by the time, it was no longer segregated.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Bethune-Cookman had big waves and weird undertow, so that's why they left it to the black people.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
That's crazy. What's the whole thing about... Who did I just talk to about the reason that there is a massive amount of black people who can't swim is more about racism and not ability.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
You know, people have to tell you this. He would have loved you.
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I just had this conversation with someone. I'm like, no, that's not what it is.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
So no, it was just, you know, do you think white people walked differently before black people?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
How about running? Do you think white people before the integration of sports, do you think white people just like, like if you jog to the car, like now, if you jog to the car, you kind of jog, like, yeah, I think anything like kind of physical, like,
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
He would have... Like, if... When I first saw you do stand-up, I went, God, man, she really has Patrice energy. I'm like, I don't give a fuck about the room. This is who I am. And I'm not what you think I am. That's the strongest attribute you got is, look, I'm predictable. You look at me and you go, I think I know what I'm about to see.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Oh, that's right. Okay. Who's your favorite? Oh yeah. I guess it's gotta be bird all across the board. I was like Jason Williams.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
No, not over Bird. God, man, Larry Bird was so fucking good. This is what basketball looked like. Oh, my God. Is this a racist thing? Look at how bad this is.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
This is a joke. Wait, what was this? 1940 basketball. Here you go. Here you go. All right, thank you. Oh, he hooped. Hooped? Look at the way he dribbles up here.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
If I was born in 1927, I could have been a professional basketball player.
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Let's get lit. Okay, now we got black people in here. Moving a lot faster. I don't know if you noticed.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
This is 1966. What's up, boy? This is 20 years later, 26 years later. Hey, what's up with you? Yeah. Was basketball your favorite sport? Do you like the way they dribble up and down the court? I did. Yeah.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Really? You know what I mean? I started getting more into basketball because of that documentary. Was it, is it Anthony Anderson? Not Anthony Anderson. Anthony, no, Timberwolves. I just got his jersey.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Yeah, I know who it is. Edwards. Edwards. You know we're thinking Anthony Anderson's an actor.
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Anthony Edwards. Man... That guy got me back into basketball.
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Him and another guy had a falling out because the guy was Bosnian or something.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Serbians. Like Serbians fuck with basketball way more than black people. Serbians Every Serbian Can play basketball True Every They walk They walk a ball Dude The casual Female Serbian Can fucking Cross over the Can fucking That's crazy Every white dude In America Why is that? I do not know why Serbia is so in love with basketball, but Vladi Divac was the big first.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
He's the first big Serbian star. And now you look and it's like, Nokic is Serbian. The Serbs are like crazy good at basketball. I know Vladi. Joker, he's Serbian. Why are Serbians?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Do you know what they're doing now? This is what they said. And I'm going to pitch it to you. You tell me. Would you do an AI OnlyFans?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Wait. Hear me out. All right. Okay. Probably $6 million a year that you don't have to do anything. You don't have to do anything.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
And someone's like, hey man, I'd love to see you put your foot in your ass.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Sure, but it's not you. All right. But it's whatever that guy's into or that girl's into that goes, I'd love to see.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I don't think I ever thought about that. Just if anyone's into AI, don't have me fuck a cow. That's going to be crazy though. And then you have to fight with the world and go, that's not me. They go, it looks like you.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Because they said AI models now are making like a million dollars a year and it's not a real person. It's not even a human. No one, not even based off a human.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I mean, but think about what's our potential with this? Like, as creative types, I mean, you have created hit shows, worked on hit shows. As a creative, what do you see? How do you see your, look at this. These are AI. That's not a real person. She's got an OnlyFans. She gets $11,000 a month.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Kind of looks like Dorothy Cummings when she was having her fall apart.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
This shit is just going to be... Yeah, there's no... I mean, I think we've gone too far east.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I saw, I was on Porn the other day and it goes, hey, do you want to, because right before, for anyone that doesn't know.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
When I moved to New York, I saw dudes that were like, they had their thing. Like, I'm this guy.
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I'm this guy. There was a guy who was like, he talked like he had Down syndrome, and that was his thing.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
So then how do you pay for porn? How would you pay for porn?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Initially, this is how stupid I am. When OnlyFans came out and I'd do an interview with someone or I'd meet them in radio, there was a girl, I think her name was Alexis Black. And I was like, oh, I'll sign up for your OnlyFans. And then I was realizing, oh, that's kind of creepy. They know me. And now I'm paying to watch them naked. And I was like, I felt bad.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
And the last one I did was, what was our friend? The last OnlyFans I subscribed to, No, no, no, no.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Yeah, yeah. But I also can watch you if I want. Yes. Yeah. But you just don't have my name doesn't come up on my credit card.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Would you? Yeah? I would do that. Do you think you could? Because I think if I had sex with a porn star, that I would have to let them be dominant. No. They'd have to be the one doing... It's like I'd be doing an open mic with her. I don't know what the fuck happens.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
That makes sense. No, see, I was thinking... I think with my vagina, if we're doing, if we're doing Starbucks scenario, I'd be like, yo, I love the way you make venti lattes. I kind of want you to make me that at home.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I went up to him, and I said... You did very good tonight. He goes, oh, thanks, man.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, that would be the gangster move is if like you got with like a real porn star as a guy and then they were just made you feel like you were a gang.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
God dang it. I'm not looking at life the right way. I said to Leanne one time, I think I said, I was like, I was like, if I had like a month to live, I could have sex with a bunch of porn stars, right? She was like, no. I was like, but if I have a month to live, you'd let me just bang a bunch of porn stars. And she goes, why? I go, I don't know. Cause I don't kind of want to do that.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Dude, there was a big thing. They'd have fake affectations. And their whole thing was a fake affectation.
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And she was like, well, then if you want to do that, you should go do that. I went, oh wait, I guess I don't want to do that. Cause I want to be, just be with you. And I was like, oh, I just had sex with you. If I had a month to live.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
There's one guy that fucks so good. Owen Gray. He is. Everyone knows this guy. He's like, do you watch dude on girl at all?
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And I would argue, I was in a new phase of comedy where I was like, you can do whatever you want up there. You don't have to have one thing and then that be your shtick.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Yeah, I mean, there are white guys with big dicks, but I don't know if I... Who pulled this up? Christine? Oh. Jesus Christ, that was aggressive. Austin.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Sorry, that's my homepage. No, he... I think the difference between black dicks and white dicks is that black dicks are bigger soft and then also bigger. But white dicks, the majority of white dicks are small soft.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I heard, I heard, I know the answer. I don't know where I heard this. I listen to podcasts while I sleep, so sometimes I get answers. Genetically... Oh, fuck. What's the answer? Genetically, when you don't... When you keep... I know this. The reason Asians get flushed when they drink... is because they have not bred out of their gene pools enough.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
They're still so close in their gene pool that they can't handle poisons. This is a comedian's joke, by the way. I just heard a comedian told this bit on stage, and I think it's true, but he said the more outer bred you are, the more stuff you have in your system, the more tolerant you are to poisons and whatnot. And so I think it has to, I don't know if that's the answer we're looking for,
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I don't know. I wonder if it's a stereotype. Do black people have bigger dicks?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I don't know. There's got to be black guys with small dicks.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Of course. As you've typed in, do black people, you should have seen everything that came up in there. Do they have extra muscles? No.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Do they have blue eyes? This is the stuff white people be asking. Do they have high bone density? Do they have freckles? Do they have straight hair? Do they have black hair? Do they have more melanin? Do they have guns?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Okay, here you go. Race-based sexual stereotyping and sexual bartending. So I heard that it's a myth that black men have bigger dicks. And I heard, a long time ago I heard It is a stereotype that the oppressor puts on the oppressed to scare the women away from them.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
And they said Jews have, the Egyptians said Jews have really big dicks. And they did it to black people. I don't know if they did it to Irish people.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I got a good black stereotype that's not even out yet. Like people, no one even knows about it, but I saw it. I saw it. And it's crazy. You ready? Yeah. Black people, not some of them, all of them, every single one of them, yourself included, have an amazing ability to fall asleep anywhere.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Next time you get on a plane, take a look around. But every black dude's sound asleep. Next time you're on the subway and two in the morning, you see a guy's sleeping on the subway. You're like, how the fuck white guys are holding all their shit. They're like this. White people have a hard time sleeping. Like, I mean, we wear masks and we wear, we get specialty blankets and we take pills.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I mean, white people have the hardest time sleeping. We track our sleep score. Do you track your sleep score?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
You still tired? Yeah. 200 years, I didn't get any breaks. I fucking love you. God damn it. I wish I lived in New York just to be around you. Do you think you'll ever live in LA?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I think you have to grow every special. You know, I... The first person I ever saw do that was Burr. He would, every special, he did something a little different. He challenged himself a little bit. He had one bit, I've talked to him about this so much. He had one bit where he did an act out with, he adopted a blood diamond child and he did an act out with the blood diamond child
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
It is interesting. I was just in New York yesterday. Yesterday. And the day before. And I got up out of my hotel room. I flew in at 6. Went back, took a nap, got up at 11. And at 11, I walked out of my hotel room door, and I didn't come back until 2 in the morning. And I went... Wow. And I had no plans.
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gets in its way so much. This used to be a creative haven for artists.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Well, people have gross conversations with you. That's the one thing that... So I was in the mess of it when I was doing clubs and people would say gross things to me. And I remember just going like, that's not why we got into this. But they felt like they could take liberties with you because they didn't feel like you'd turn into anything.
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And then once you get to theaters, those conversations change.
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And people read your energy and they go, well, you're... I think... It's almost like they take you seriously.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
If you could, because I always say this, like, I always say there's a couple things I... I was thinking the other day, I was like, I wish I'd never said this, but now I'm glad I have. But like, if Eddie Murphy said, hey, I'm going to go on tour and I'd love for you to open for me. Can you cancel your tour and not make that money? I'd go, yeah, 100%.
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And it was so fucking funny. And it was shot in black and white. And the stool was the child. And I was like, he'd never done something like that. And that's what I was like, every special, you got to try something.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I've always said this and you worked with SNL, but I always said, if Lorne Michaels called tomorrow and he said, Hey, I would love for you to be on the next season of Whatchamacallit. You're going to have to cancel your movie and cancel your TV show and cancel your tour. But you can be on SNL. I can only guarantee you one season. I'd go, yeah, I'll do that. Those things will happen again for me.
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I think this is an institution in comedy. Marcelo is, by the way, my favorite fucking part.
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I do DM him a lot. He makes me giggle so hard. He might be. That's a very talented cast right now. He might be my favorite.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
But like, I would do that. But like, what is that for you? Like, if you got a call from, from who would you say, I'm going to push everything on pause and I'm going to do this project. It's, it's, I wouldn't say below me.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Chris Rock was the one that, the reason I said, I'd like to try this. Same. When I saw Bring the Pain.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
They say, the word on the street is, so like I started, not with Tony, but like Tony and I kind of showed up at the same time in New York. Same with Sherrod, all kind of the same time. They say, word on the street is, Jordan's the funniest. Jordan Rock? Yes, that's what the word on the street is.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
It's crazy that there's a family. There's two families. The Waynes family. How many fucking funny people came out of the Waynes fucking family? Like what happens? It's like they're like the Jacksons of comedy. What happens that makes a family that funny?
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I did that on this special. I did that and I was... And I was like, I'm going to get mocked. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to get fucking trashed. I'm going to get dragged.
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My sister, Cotty, she is the funniest human being ever alive.
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She's the funniest person I've ever met. And my daughter, Isla, is by no, in Georgia.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
My sister Annie came up to New York. My sister Annie has always made me laugh, but she's always made me laugh in like a real Mitch Hedberg-y kind of way. She said, one day she said, I'm having a hard time reading. I said, what do you mean? She goes, I don't know. I don't know. Everything's looking weird. We had gotten high. And I was like, really?
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And we were in the village and we're walking to go get lunch. And there used to be a bar called Polyesters. It was like a 70s bar. And as we're walking to this restaurant, she goes, what is menace? And I said, what do you mean? She goes, menace. Every time she got high, she could barely read. And I go, what do you mean menace? And she goes, it says on every door, it says no menace, please.
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And I go, I looked at her, I go, I don't know what the fuck menace is. And then I was like, God damn it. And then I looked at another one. I was like, no menace. And then I saw menus stuffed in the thing. And I went, they say no menus. And she went, oh, she did the same thing to me in Tallahassee. You saw this. You saw this. You saw this. We got high on a balcony.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
And my sister goes, and he goes, so I know this is like a Native American school, like Florida State University with the Seminoles. But what do you think the word Toawe means? And I looked and I'm on a balcony. I'm looking at this parking lot and I go, Towawe. I go, I have no fucking idea. I go, Towawe. It must have been like a chief or something. Chief Towawe.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I got more love. I know I'm fucking, as a matter of fact, the bit went viral and I got so much love from people and people stop me and I go, okay, great.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
And then I was like, and then the garage date came out and I was like, hey, what do you think Towawe means? And she goes, it means don't park there or they're going to tow you away. Ha, ha, ha, ha. But yeah, but those, my sister, Cotty, though, and everyone in this office, my sister used to work here. She is, first of all, she's a bully.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
I can think bullying is, I think people sleep on how funny bullies are sometimes.
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I don't like that. I don't like that type of shit. I don't like that shit. I don't like that. There's... Oh, dude, my whole life I've had people that disliked me that I couldn't figure out why they disliked me. And they disliked me because the thing I had that I showed was the thing they couldn't have. They didn't have a freedom or a likable personality or they didn't have that.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
And they'd hate me and they'd make me want to be less than or try to stub out my shine. And my whole life it's happened. My whole fucking life.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I had a period of life where I skinnied up friends. I was like, I think I'm done making new friends. And I shut down. I shut down and I was like, I got kids. I got my wife.
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Yeah. Fuck yeah. And then I met Joe and Joey Diaz and Tom and I were still not that close. I mean, we were, but we just weren't because I wouldn't let anybody in. And then...
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And then if you go, if you take me back to high school, thing about growing up in Florida is... Much like Jesus, you don't change. Jesus never left his hometown. Jesus was like a fucking townie. He grew up in Boston, never left Boston. That's Jesus. I just looked at a map of where he traveled when he was a kid, and he never left. He was in Nine Miles.
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All they had were sandals. See, a little bit more. But if I go home, the guys I grew up with, we pick up like we never left each other.
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The other crazy thing is that once you get famous, you don't know people's motivation for being your friend. So all of a sudden there's people to show up that you've always liked that are really nice to you. And then you lose friends. Yeah.
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Sunday. I think I might have. I don't know if I licked them. We were in the pool and she was on a raft.
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This is... I'm going to regret saying this out loud ever. I 100% am. But like in the... When I was like 18 or 17 or 16, when you're like really exploring and you're just like fucking wild. I remember saying to a chick, I want to lick your armpit. And she was like, what? And I was like, I don't know. I'm just like, I was like turned on.
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That's so funny. It's like yelling into the Grand Canyon going, hello. And then are you here? Hello? And you're like, what the fuck?
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Really? Yeah. How hard is it? I think that's fine. How hard is it to maintain friendships in gay culture when you have girls you date? Can you date a girl and then stay friends with her?
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I've never done it straight. Why would that be hard? I burned every bridge I've ever... For real?
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I'm going to walk out of the room a couple times. Walk back in. Why didn't you follow me? That's it. This is, we're done.
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I mean, I was like, I was not a good breakup guy. I'd have to unplug my phone and be like, I don't take phone calls anymore. I don't have phones anymore. Yeah, I was never good. If Leanne tried to leave me, I might murder her. I'm not even joking.
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Word. That is the funny... I can't believe you guys just sit on that thing. It's so great.
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By the way, you just got so many fans. That is everyone that listens to this podcast. Like, I have been there.
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I tried to explain to Leanne that we should make decisions about her vagina, that it should be more of a plural community thing. Because I go, I can't have you making all the decisions by yourself like you're America and this is capitalism. This would be more socialism. This is our vagina. I need that almost more than she needs it.
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I would argue she should not make any decision about that vagina that I should make all of them.
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God, man. It's so funny. It's unfair. Her vagina keeps me sane. Yeah, of course. It is the motivation for everything I've ever done.
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I hate to say this, Leanna, if you're listening. For real. If you misplace your vagina, I'm not certain we'd be talking.
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I look like that guy from the Wu-Tang Clan that cut his dick off.
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I don't know if any of my motivation would be there. I mean, my motivation is, I mean, I'm motivated. I'm pretty motivated by sex. I'm very motivated by sex. Of course. You know, we just recently started having like crazy wild sex. I'm happy for you. A lot. And it's, and it's making, and it's, our relationship's like fucking.
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Our kids left and it's just like, it's been fucking awesome. Beautiful. And I think it makes us closer couple.
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# 675 - Sam Jay is Black & Gay
You know, people are just fucking nuts. People, you know, life's sad. It is. You lost your dad when he was 38. That's not fair. And not fair shit happens to people every fucking day. And if you're saying that I'm just going to be receptacle to get some not fair shit coming my way because life was, because life's been really fair to me. Life's been not fair in like the other way.
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Word. Yo. We're at the end of World War II and you're still fighting a ground war in Japan. Drop the bomb. The fuck are we waiting for? Immediately.
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I love him to death. He is. He might be. He sent me a text a long time ago and he goes, just in an airport bar. Want you to know your top five best hangs ever. And I was like, that was like the sweetest thing a guy could say, especially Shane. But I can imagine me and him having a fucking night.
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By the way, that is an argument I would love to fucking hear.
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It's amazing how much we feel like family. Like, I always, Doug Stanhope, a long time ago, one time was, he was giving shit to Dane Cook and someone started trashing Dane Cook on his thing. And Stanhope goes, hold on. I'm not saying what you're saying. He goes, I'm making fun of my brother. Or something, I apologize. People don't get that.
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He goes, but Doug's like, if I ran into Dane at a bar and you at a bar, I would never speak to you and I would spend the whole time talking to Dane.
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I felt the same way the same first time, like, and like Biden, I mean, I mean this for real, but like no stretch of the way it was Rogan, what he is today. But when he asked me to do his podcast for the first time, I was like, I was like, I was like, I'm honored, man.
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And by the way, no one, I know this doesn't make sense to anyone listening, but like no one was listening to his podcast then maybe like 6,000 people, maybe 6,000 people. I'm being serious. The first time I did it, I got 3,000 followers on Instagram or on Twitter that day. So maybe 20,000 people were listening to his podcast.
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Was not wild, but he brought me over and I was like, dude, this is the shit, man. I was like, I definitely, I mean, he's been an innovator for fucking long. I mean, he's been the Joe show and everything he's done is, but you go, you get excited. It's, you know, when Chappelle hit me up, he was like, yo, you partying tonight? I was in Dayton. And I was like, I remember he FaceTimed me one time.
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Like I have the greatest life. I don't deserve this stuff I have. I don't think that's true, bro. No, but you think about it. I guess that's just the universe leveling itself out. The hate I get in the comments or online, I'll take it because this side's really good.
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I'm with Leanne. And he goes, Leanne and I are fighting. We're at a restaurant. Chappelle FaceTimes me. And I go, I got to push pause. It's Chappelle. And this is how dialed into comedy my wife is. In the middle of the fight, she goes, yeah, you got to take that. Yes. It's like, what wife would let you? And I just walked outside. I was like, yo, what's up?
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He's like, hey, man, what are you doing for dot, dot, dot? And I was like, whatever the fuck you're doing.
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The crazy thing about comedy is like, we idolize our heroes. It's weird.
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But I'll shake a bitch. Word. But I'll shake a bitch. But... you know there was leanne said this can i tell you the coolest things comics ever do and i i hope this gets to like comics i hope comics will listen to this the coolest thing a comic can do is gift you a saying that you say in your family for the rest of your life Dave Attell has given my family probably five statements that we say.
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For sure. But you deserve it. I work hard, but I'm also really fucking lucky.
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Dave Chappelle, when I lived with those two lesbians, Dave Chappelle had a joke about pimps ask women to do wild shit just to show they can troll. Bitch, stop my car.
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And the two lesbians I live with are like, hey, bitch, stop my car.
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When you gift that to someone, that is the funnest fucking thing. That gets into their house, and you become a part of their lives. Their family, their tradition. Chris Rock says, I wish Leigh-Anne was fucking accessible. She says this all the time. Chris Rock says... You should never hit a woman. You should never hit a woman. And he goes, nobody goes, but I wish Leigh-Anne was here.
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I'm fucking, it's so good. She says this all the time about our daughters because Chris Rock said, if you hit my oldest daughter, I'm going to kill that man. You hit my youngest daughter, I'm going to say, what did she say? What did she do?
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And Leigh-Anne quotes that all the time. That was one of my favorite.
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Yeah, he's a fucking legend, man. I thought that was a great special.
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Guys like, hey, make sure you remember all the Mark Elliott names.
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I say, I always say it's luck. I always say luck shows up because there's a lot of people that just can't catch a break. I mean, I bet...
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By the way, sometimes they have sound business advice. And the one guy pulled me aside. We were in Sacramento. He goes, have you ever thought about doing churches? I said, no. And he goes, you should. And I'll tell you why. Because church fans, and it's true. John Crist made crazy money.
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You can do a church and you can make so much more money because if you can work clean and look at Nate Bargossi does a four o'clock in arena and then a seven o'clock in arena because he does clean comedy. That's just not the thing I want to fucking do.
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That is the perfect sentence to end this podcast. There is a line of Sam Jay shirts coming out. Just say you're mad that your wife's ugly. This episode was brought to you by The Machine.
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I think, I just had, my wife went, we had just had Isla and I was not making any money and I was not doing the road and I was just doing standup. And before I met my wife, I had had TV show after TV show, after development deal, after opportunity. And I was killing it. I met my wife with so much money in the bank. And then we had Georgia and I ran out of money.
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And then by the time we had Isla, we had no money. We had no money. And we were living in this apartment. She was running the apartment. And one night my wife goes, I think I ruined your luck. Because I've always said I was lucky. I've always said I'm lucky. She goes, I think I ruined your luck. I think I'm such bad luck that I took all your good luck and now you have bad luck. Damn.
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And I looked at her and I was so... I'm such a rube in certain situations. And I went, no. I was like, I'm so lucky that I'll make you lucky. Just watch. I believe in luck. And I think it's that perspective of taking a look at the things that are bad in your life and going, this happened for a reason. And let's see if we can find the luck in that. Let's see if we can find the opportunity in that.
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And I think you would know my wife, if she was listening and was going to respond, would say, oh, I used to be very unlucky. And then I met Bert and now I'm the luckiest human alive.
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But I'm not even joking. If I take people to a casino, I say bet around me. I won't bet. Bet around me. They win. For real? For real.
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I'm so. I need some of this for sure. Damn lucky. But I also like this morning I woke up. I had a rough day.
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Yeah. Because I go, maybe I shit my pants and now I'm not going to get in the car on time and I won't get into a car accident. Did I shit my pants today? I was like, I'm going to push this far, but I feel like there's something coming with it. And man, I sprayed. Yeah, I shit my pants a great deal. What? I shit my pants like once a week at least. No. I shit the bed once a month. No.
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They don't bartend because they love making drinks. They bartend to fuck.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Well, this is a story of a woman who grew up knowing that her baby brother died when he was four months old, and she was two, but never knowing what really happened and really wanting to learn what happened. But every time she asked her parents... They would punish her. They would beat her. And she grew up in this terrible household.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
And then finally, as a teenager, she finally gets a hold of the police report from that night when her brother died. And the police report says, mother says, two-year-old threw baby out of crib and killed him. And she thinks, did I kill my brother when I was two? Could that have really happened? And what happens after that is the most incredible story.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
All these twists and turns to find out what really happened that night and why she carries this burden and why she no longer does.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Well, I think they will, first of all, see the characters involved. And then you will see Tracy Raquel's father, the murderer.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Yes, they will. They will see this man who was in his day considered suave. And this person is not how you would have pictured them to look. And the abuse that he heaped on people is unreal.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
It's funny. The best criminals are the ones who can kind of hide their psychopathology. You know, it's like all these people on Betrayal who just are full-faced liars. And I always say the scariest part of these people is how normal they can appear. And I think the visuals here will help you understand the entire story a lot better.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Listen to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Diddy trial on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Oh, yeah. You're going to see some incredible courtroom footage, the craziest accusations and testimony. And again, you got to see it to believe it.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
You know, Tracy Raquel is a remarkable person and she's never thought of herself as a victim. But I think she now sees that in all the things she did, she helped herself as well as her brother. She always had her brother in mind. Of course, she doesn't even remember. But she has a beautiful family. She is a beautiful person inside and out.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
And while this has been very hard for her, I think it's been very cathartic for her. And I hope after the documentary airs, it will be even better for her. But she's somebody I admire so much.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Amy Robach and TJ Holmes here. Diddy's former protege, television personality, Danity King alum Aubrey O'Day joins us to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Listen to Amy and TJ Presents Aubrey O'Day covering the Diddy Trial on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Listen to Deep Cover The Truth About Sarah on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
A lot of times, big economic forces show up in our lives in small ways.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Amy Robach and TJ Holmes here. Diddy's former protege, television personality, Danity King alum Aubrey O'Day joins us to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Listen to Deep Cover The Truth About Sarah on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
A lot of times, big economic forces show up in our lives in small ways.
Betrayal: Season 4
Bonus EP: Burden of Guilt The Docuseries
Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.
Blood Vines
Tainted Wine: 6
He was suicidal. He's got gas going in that house and he's got all the windows shut.
Blood Vines
Tainted Wine: 6
What was going on with conversations that you might have been Fred's son and not Jack's son?
Blood Vines
Tainted Wine: 6
I totally believed Robert was innocent. I thought he was at times a little strange, but I never thought him capable of something like that.
Blood Vines
Tainted Wine: 6
As Joanna put it, Family knows family. You know, especially in an Italian family like ours, you know, the Italian Sicilian family.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
So Bruno, he was just a stone that was removed from its place. That's how organized crime works.
Criminal
A Murder in the Forest
No, we always thought he was murdered. We didn't share it with anyone.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
It was big news. I mean, white girl gets murdered, found in a cemetery, big, big news.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
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Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
It was big news. I mean, white girl gets murdered, found in a cemetery, big, big news.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
I think there were many individuals present. I don't know who pulled the trigger.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
I didn't know he was in the mob until maybe 20 years after you guys were born.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
It's crazy to have someone that was so strong in my life and he was everything to me. So we fucking punched him in the face over drugs because he was destroying our fucking family. Until it almost killed him in 2013.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
In Mississippi, Yazoo Clay keeps secrets. 7,000 bodies out there or more. A forgotten asylum cemetery.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
It was big news. I mean, white girl gets murdered, found in a cemetery. Big, big news.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
House manager. All right. And I'm the king. The king, okay. Perfect. Well, where does the king live? Right here.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
So this is one of our units here. It's a girl's house. All right. How many units are there? We've got four units. That's cool. A little compound, huh?
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
Nice, man. This is better than the last place. You think it's better than the house? Uh, the house felt like really cramped and your room was like weird in the living room.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
This is my son Kyle. This is the kitchen. Son, that's your real father? Real father, real son. Real father, real son.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
It's hard to believe it's already been six years since I dropped him off at rehab.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
I'll be in the bathroom for a minute. Okay, yeah, yeah. All right. Sounds good, guys. A little Sinatra, huh?
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
Set the mood. I like it. Feels right that we're talking about the mafia and you got Sinatra on the background.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
Fill me in here. What are you doing these days and where am I right now?
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
In Mississippi, Yazoo Clay keeps secrets. 7,000 bodies out there. Or more. A forgotten asylum cemetery.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
It was big news. I mean, white girl gets murdered, found in a cemetery, big, big news.
Crook County
3 | Coming Clean
I think there were many individuals present. I don't know who pulled the trigger.
Dark Valley
Chapter 13 | A Good, Quiet Girl
Jennifer, this is Mike LeClair in Vermont. I think you talked with John Philpin recently.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Cases to watch in 2025: Sean "Diddy" Combs and Bryan Kohberger. Plus, safety tips for AI scams.
Sean Combs led and participated in a racketeering conspiracy that used the business empire he controlled to carry out criminal activity. including sex trafficking, forced labor, kidnapping, arson, bribery, and the obstruction of justice.
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Cases to watch in 2025: Sean "Diddy" Combs and Bryan Kohberger. Plus, safety tips for AI scams.
is how you frame someone. That's how you rip a person's life apart and sleep like a baby while doing it.
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At 4.55 a.m. on January 1st, he searched how long before a body starts to smell. At 4.58 a.m., how to stop a body from decomposing.
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He used his business and employees of that business and other close associates to get his way.
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Hey, Andrea, always great to be with you. Happy New Year.
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At the most basic level, Andrea, think of it as technology that allows computers to do the kinds of tasks that would normally require us to tell them and require some sort of human intervention and decision-making. Now the computers can do some of this on their own. And then they can predict what they're supposed to do next.
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And that's considered learning, which is where the intelligence part comes in. AI is used all the time in things that we take for granted, like when your phone unlocks using your face or when you're sending an email and that predictive texting comes up saying, is this how you want to finish your sentence? That's all AI.
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And of course, as you mentioned, there's really sophisticated types of AI, like what we saw with the chatbot, where You're entering in conversational language, and it seems like this computer is responding to you in a human way.
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Really, all it's doing is using all of the information and data that's been put into it from previous human conversations and predicting that this is the response that will make the most sense to you.
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I was just talking to the cybersecurity experts at Human Security about the holidays, where a lot of online shopping sites pop up that are totally bogus. They're just designed to tell you this is where you can get the hottest item at the lowest price, hoping that that's going to be enough bait for you to enter in your credit card or your banking information.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Cases to watch in 2025: Sean "Diddy" Combs and Bryan Kohberger. Plus, safety tips for AI scams.
Well, back in the day, Andrea, humans had to make those websites. Now, bots and AI-powered computers can create those websites very quickly. They can also send out phishing and smishing messages. That's when you get an email or a text sent to your phone saying, hey, there's been a problem with your package delivery, or hey, this is the government. We need you to check on your taxes. Click here.
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a lot of that content is now being generated by AI, which makes it that much easier for the bad guys to pump out that bad information.
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Because the deep fake technology is becoming so good, but it's basically referring to a type of artificial intelligence that generates audio, images, and now even videos that make it appear that someone is doing something or saying something that they aren't. We've seen this used in some of the most disgusting and creepy ways from generating nude images, celebrity images to endorse products.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Cases to watch in 2025: Sean "Diddy" Combs and Bryan Kohberger. Plus, safety tips for AI scams.
People have to be very careful when they're on social media. Is this something that this celebrity would actually be doing? And also be on the lookout for deep fakes when it comes to law enforcement or people impersonating government officials.
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So a lot of times these deepfakes are spread on social media like Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook. When it comes to these deepfakes with video, face swapping is a very common way this is done. So if you're carefully looking at the video and you think, gosh, this face is too perfect and this message...
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isn't in character with who you are seeing this from, or if the messaging is very extreme or shocking or unbelievable. These are moments where you've got to take a step back, look at the context and decide, is this actually credible?
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According to a Google Cloud 2025 cybersecurity forecast, AI is going to be going up against AI. And it makes sense. You need powerful technology to help you detect AI scams, defend against them. So we're seeing this shift in AI tools being used at the corporate level to improve response to AI threats. So 2025 for us is...
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Ventura. Tora alleges that Combs not only raped her, but over the course of a decade, physically abused her.
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Thank you for listening. Thank you for listening to Dateline.
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Tonight, explosive allegations against legendary rapper and mogul Jay-Z. A new civil lawsuit is accusing him of raping a 13-year-old girl with Sean Diddy combs, which they both deny.
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Chloe has been at the tip of the spear on all of the reporting on this. But from a legal standpoint, the question in my mind has always been, will the charges, the criminal charges, be limited to Combs alone or will more people in the alleged conspiracy, as the government describes it, eventually get implicated.
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These parties that Combs used to have over the decades were filled with celebrities and politicians, and the most powerful people have been silent. What's interesting is that Tony Busby, a litigator out of Houston, Texas, he has named not just Jay-Z, but he named a celebrity B, a woman who was allegedly there watching a 13-year-old girl be sexually assaulted in the year 2000 after the MTV VMAs.
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It could be. And if they have their hands on any tapes, that's the kind of thing that is going to be tough for this defense. We know there's a grand jury hearing testimony from Right now, we know that there's an active investigation going.
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I think it's going to be interesting what happens with the criminal trial and to see who shows up in that courtroom to support him, if anybody.
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And I'm always curious how many of the people that the plaintiff's lawyer has talked to have also talked to the government, because talking to a plaintiff's lawyer is very different than going in and talking to the FBI.
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He takes away the voices from real victims, and he causes real harm. If this lawyer has any sense, he's going to dismiss this claim. I don't know whether he has any sense.
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Jay-Z's legal team is saying that they did not do the proper vetting, that they brought this frivolous lawsuit, and that if they had done a simple search on some of the things that she said, that they would have seen that this wasn't strong enough.
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the Jane Joe at Tony Busby's offices in Houston, Texas recently. I stumbled upon Diddy's driver who told me that I was exactly what Diddy was looking for. What did you think when he said that to you? I thought it meant that I was just pretty. She talked about having driven from Rochester, New York to Radio City Music Hall. That would have been a five-hour drive.
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And she says after the assault, her father picked her up from a gas station that she had ran to to seek help. And at times, she seemed very credible. But on the other hand, when our investigative team really dug into her claims, she said a lot of things that just didn't add up. Her father said he could not verify the claims. Quote, I felt like I would remember that. And I don't.
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I have a lot going on, but I mean, that's something that would definitely stick in my mind. Tony Busby has said that he's going to polygraph his client, that she has already signed two affidavits.
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If this entire thing falls apart, and I'm not saying that it's going to, if it does, though, Busby has a real problem with the rest of his cases, right? Because this is now sort of, you went for the king and you missed. If Jay-Z's attorney manages to get this Jane Doe sort of discredited, that's a strategic advantage to comms as well.
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Yeah. I don't want to make it seem like it's going to be a slam dunk, though, because he has the money and the power to fight this. I do find it odd that he has dropped his effort to get out of prison. Right. I think that's curious. Yeah. Why? Just it's a. losing battle? Well, it's definitely a losing battle, but who cares? He has all the resources in the world.
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I mean, he's staying behind bars until this trial is completed. That's months from now.
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I mean, in terms of what's next, we know that the government is building their case. And we are expecting that Cassie Ventura will take the stand and testify. There's a lot of rumors swirling that maybe Kid Cudi will take the stand as well. There was something in the indictment about his car being allegedly blown up by combs.
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I think it's worth pointing out that we have a new president coming. We have a new U.S. attorney coming. all of whom can make this case go away pretty quickly and certainly potentially going to make other cases go away. It's a big enough deal and a high profile enough case that it's going to get close scrutiny by the next U.S.
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attorney who is not somebody who has criminal law experience, who appears to have no connection to Combs whatsoever. But Damian Williams was willing to take on very powerful people and prosecuted senators down to Combs. So it'll be interesting to see whether the change in the in the top prosecutor makes any difference for him. Yeah.
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In the small town of Moscow, Idaho, the violent murders of four college students have the tight-knit University of Idaho community on edge.
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What do you think about all this time that has passed that we have not been to trial yet?
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I would say that I feel like the legal system is not about the victims, and I'll leave it at that.
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A lot of that content is now being generated by AI, which makes it that much easier for the bad guys to pump out that bad information.
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Hmm.
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I'm seeing Celia there.
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Scott, I have spent an entire life of loving and protecting you, but this I refuse to cover for you.
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As bad as it sounds, I want to be there to watch him chained and shackled and brought to justice. I plead with you.
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Yeah, this is definitely a case of a family divided for sure.
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Exactly. And we talked to all but one of the children during the trial. And one thing that did as a mom, it made me feel good, is that the adult children have sort of made a pact that they would like to reconcile and to kind of rebuild their family moving forward.
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That is very nice to hear, Carol. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Coming up, it's Dateline Roundup. A new celebrity was named in a bombshell civil suit filed against Sean Diddy Combs last week. And updates on the upcoming trial of Lori Vallow, a.k.a. Mommy Doomsday.
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Plus, Josh Mankiewicz will be here to talk about Deadly Mirage, his new podcast about a group of young couples who like to party until one of them was murdered. Welcome back. Joining me for this week's roundup is Dateline producer Michelle Madigan. Hey, Michelle. Hello, Andrea. OK, we're going to start today with Verdict Watch in a story we've been covering a lot on the podcast lately.
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The trial of Nima Momeni, the man accused of fatally stabbing Cash App co-founder Bob Lee back in 2023. Michelle, you just got back from San Francisco where the jury began deliberations last week. And this is not a quick one. It's taking a while.
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Yes, days have gone by. The jury is really taking their time in their deliberations. As a reminder, Momeni is charged with first-degree murder, but the jury could reject that and find him guilty of a lesser charge, like second-degree murder or manslaughter.
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Or they could find him not guilty of any charge. What has the energy been like at the courthouse during deliberations? Because, you know, it's... It gets hard for people the longer the jury is out.
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There is a lot of tension on the second floor of that courthouse. At the end of the hallway where this trial has been taking place, you have a lot of media just waiting. The jury files in and files out, and you're trying to read their expressions, and you really can't tell. The defendant's mother was there pacing back and forth.
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I did hear she brought cake for the media and people that are waiting. There's just an energy of anticipation.
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The gunman fled the scene of what police said was a premeditated, preplanned attack.
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Next up, we're off to New York for news in another big case we've been following, the mounting sexual assault allegations against music mogul Sean Diddy Combs. Earlier this week, NBC News' Chloe Malas broke the news that there are now allegations against another star. Tonight, explosive allegations against legendary rapper and mogul Jay-Z.
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One of the lawsuits involving Sean Combs was refiled on Sunday to include new accusations against one of his former close friends, rapper Jay-Z, whose legal name is Sean Carter. The plaintiff here is anonymous. She's identified only as Jane Doe in the lawsuit. She accuses Combs and Carter of assaulting her in the year 2000. at an MTV Video Music Awards afterparty when she was just 13 years old.
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What have we heard from Sean Carter since this accusation has come out? I know he's been somewhat vocal, at least in writing. Absolutely.
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Both Combs and Carter have denied these accusations. Carter's lawyer, Alex Spiro, has submitted a court filing asking the judge overseeing the case to require that the plaintiff either reveal her identity or dismiss the charges.
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A manhunt is underway right now for the gunman who shot and killed the top executive of America's largest private health insurance company.
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Okay, well, be sure to follow up on that story. We are finally headed to Arizona for news in another case that may be familiar to Dateline fans, Lori Vallow-Daybell. She was the subject of a few Dateline episodes, plus Keith's podcast, Mommy Doomsday. What is going on with that?
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So, yes, last year, Daybell was sentenced to life in prison in Idaho for the 2019 murders of her two children. But she's currently in prison now in Arizona, awaiting two separate trials for newer allegations that she allegedly conspired to kill her former husband, Charles Ballow. That's the man she was married to when she met Chad Daybell.
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Prosecutors also say she conspired to kill her niece's ex-husband, Brandon Boudreau. Last week, she had two big hearings. In the first, a judge said that Lori was competent to go to trial. In the second, a different judge granted her request to represent herself in court.
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The team from East Idaho News was in the courtroom. Let's take a listen.
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The NYPD began a search for the shooter holding daily press conferences, reviewing hours of surveillance footage and tips offering reward money. But five days into the manhunt, there was no sign an arrest was imminent. Until a phone call from a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania changed everything. Here's the deputy chief of the Altoona Police Department at a press conference.
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Can you just tell me a little bit why you want to represent yourself?
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Yes, Your Honor. For the past five years that I've been incarcerated, I have taken upon myself to study case law and criminal rules of procedure in the state of Idaho and Arizona, as well as federally.
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Lori will first face a jury on the charges relating to Charles Vallow's death. Do we know when that trial is happening?
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Well, jury selection is scheduled to begin March 31st, and then the trial would go into April.
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OK, Michelle Madigan, thank you for bringing us all these updates. We appreciate it. Thank you, Andrea. For our final story this week, we've got a very special guest, Josh Mankiewicz. He's here to tell us about his brand new original podcast series called Deadly Mirage. Hey, Josh.
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All right. So this is a story that has it all. Love, intrigue, betrayal. Without giving away too much for our listeners, tell us a little bit about the podcast.
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Our editorial team is catching up on breaking crime news around the country. I can give the police a call and see what evidence they have.
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They would get drunk, they would party, they would take off their clothes, and then anything goes. That's Michael Fleeman, a true crime writer. It starts as a Playboy Channel fantasy, but this is real life, and there are real complications.
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And then we learn in the podcast, someone in the wolf pack ended up dead.
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Was it hard to get these people to open up to you or to do interviews given sort of this, maybe the sensitive nature of this group?
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So this tip that comes in, Josh, it helps investigators start to narrow in on a suspect.
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I love you too, Jonathan.
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So this really becomes a game of cat and mouse and a lot of twists and turns in this story. Absolutely. Let's take a listen to Sabrina, the wife, in the police interview room, which is from an upcoming episode.
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Well, Josh, a wolf pack, the desert, a murder, a shocking ending.
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I am very much looking forward to listening to this podcast. Dateline Premium Podcast subscribers can now binge the whole series ad-free. Everyone else can listen to episodes one through four now for free, and episodes five and six will be available for free next week. Josh, thank you so much for joining me. This is a good one. Thanks, Andrea.
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The man's name was Luigi Mangione, and within hours, the 26-year-old was charged with Brian Thompson's murder. NBC News correspondent Stephanie Gosk has been reporting in Manhattan and Altoona on this investigation, and she's here to tell us what she's learned. And just a note before we start, this is still a developing story and things are changing very quickly.
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Coming up this Friday on Dateline, he was a fugitive with multiple identities and more than a dozen accusers. Would he finally face justice? Did you sexually assault anyone? Did you defraud anyone? No, no, no, no.
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He's a danger.
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He's a menace.
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He thrives on hurting people.
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So we should say that we are taping this on Wednesday afternoon. Stephanie, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. You're welcome. Thanks for having me on, Andrea. All right. So you just, before we started taping, called it a fire hose of information. So there has been so much coming out in this story. Yeah. Interesting.
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He didn't think there is yet a connection between the killer and the victim.
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Get in the car.
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So there was a so-called manifesto. Where was that found and what did he apparently say in this manifesto?
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She sprung from jury duty?
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Yeah, seems like it.
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I'm Andrea Canning. Welcome to Dateline True Crime Weekly. It's December 12th, and here's what's on our docket. Drama in a Georgia courtroom as the woman convicted of shooting her attorney husband and throwing his body on a bonfire read a statement at her sentencing and pointed the finger at her own son.
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So there's legal cases going on now in both Pennsylvania and New York. Can you break down the charges for us? Sure.
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So you were at the extradition hearing on Tuesday in Pennsylvania. Yeah.
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From an investigative standpoint, what happens next?
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So chilling when you raise that question, Stephanie. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast and breaking it down for us. Thanks, Andrea. Up next, the latest in a Georgia trial that's been broadcast all over the country. Last month, a 64-year-old grandmother was convicted of murdering her husband. Then last week, she made a statement at her sentencing that left her family reeling.
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For our next story, we're heading to a Georgia courtroom and a dramatic sentencing. I have waited for years to make this statement to everyone. I want the world to know who did this. That's Melody Farris, who was convicted last month of murdering her husband of 38 years and burning his body to try to cover up her crime.
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In Dateline Roundup, what will the jury decide in the case of the man accused of stabbing Cash App co-founder Bob Lee to death? And more on the bombshell civil suit accusing Sean Diddy Combs and legendary rap mogul Jay-Z of raping a teenager. The suit claims the alleged assault happened after the Video Music Awards in 2000.
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At her month-long trial, the prosecutor painted a picture of an unfaithful wife looking for a way out of an unhappy marriage.
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Melody's defense team argued there are too many unknowns for a guilty verdict.
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But the real drama came at her sentencing last week when Ferris turned on her own son and accused him of being his father's killer. Dateline producer Carol Gable covered Melody's trial and is here to fill us in. Carol, thanks for coming on the podcast. Thanks, Andrea. Let's jump back in time a little bit. Who were Melody and Gary Ferris?
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Well, they were college sweethearts. And while Gary rose in prominence and became a very respected real estate attorney, Melody stayed home. They quickly started having children eventually. And then they were able to buy what you might call a gentleman farm in Alpharetta, Georgia, which is right outside of Atlanta. They had a really nice sort of bespoke barn with a very nice apartment.
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You know, they had from the outside had a really nice life. There was trouble between Melody and Gary. Did people know that? The children were very well aware of. of what was going on, that, you know, Gary was living downstairs in, you know, what would be a very elaborate suite, and Melody was living upstairs. What we learned in the trial is that she had a couple of affairs.
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There was testimony that perhaps Gary did too, but Gary just didn't want to be divorced.
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Yeah, by the time Gary died, all the kids were pretty much out of the house with the exception of their son living in the apartment, you know, above the barn. The police get involved in July of 2018, and Scott is the one who was living in the apartment above the barn. He's calling the police. On Melody, what is going on here?
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Over the Fourth of July, Gary goes missing. And Gary apparently loves a big bonfire. And out in the country, it is certainly not unusual for people to have what they call a burn pile. And all the kids are looking for him. Melody is looking for him. And Scott is the one who calls the police because he says, I see a body on this burn pile. What did the police find when they come to the farm?
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Well, they find Gary Ferris. And upon closer examination by the coroner and the pathologist, we learned that he also suffered gunshot wounds. Then we learned that there were droplets of blood on his level of the house.
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So it's looking like he was shot in the house. When do they start turning their attention to Melody?
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They always look at the spouse, but double in this case because this is a remote area. So the whole issue of a stranger might have done it, it just seems a lot less likely. I think Melody is a suspect early on, but almost a year before she is finally charged.
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What is the motive exactly? Is it that, you know, the prosecution is saying she was angry at her husband or was she set to have a big payday from his death or, you know, all of the above? Yeah.
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I think it's all of the above. And I think what the whole family dynamic had been for years is just a slow simmer of unhappy.
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The prosecution called to the stand a lot of witnesses. They called three of the four children. How are the children handling this?
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In this case, it was very sad to watch because you could tell the turmoil they were in. Melody's two sons and one of her daughters testified for the prosecution. Then you had one daughter, the fourth child, and she testified for the defense. Amanda was, I think, one of their most key witnesses.
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Amanda kind of points the finger at Scott, her brother.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
Well, I think all of the kids could be a little annoyed with sort of all of the attention and the financial support he got from his dad.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
You know, Melody is quite small. Yes. And Gary is large. And if she killed him, you know, there was that idea of how does she get him to the burn pile, which is quite far away from the house.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
Well, it is. So in closing arguments, the defense attorney dropped 300 pounds of salt in front of the jury box. And it was clearly difficult for him. And he's saying to the jury, now imagine that little lady, she picked that up. I would say it was very visually impactful.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
But before all that, we turn to a story that started last week in midtown Manhattan, just blocks from our office at 30 Rock, and has gripped the nation ever since. In the early hours of last Wednesday morning, Brian Thompson, the 50-year-old CEO of health insurance company UnitedHealthcare, was gunned down outside of a New York City hotel where he was scheduled to attend an investor conference.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
You know, the interesting part is as the trial went on, Scott took the stand. Did you murder your father?
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
I absolutely did not murder my father. Without a doubt, I loved him.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
He just was not a suspect, as it turned out, for police. And we know that Scott and Melody did not have a great relationship. If the dad dies, Melody could cut him off. So there didn't seem to be much of a motive for Scott to kill his dad.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
The jury deliberated for three days and returned guilty on all counts for Melody Walker. She was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole, and she made quite a shocking statement.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
Yeah, she blamed Scott.
Dateline: True Crime Weekly
Arrest in UnitedHealthcare CEO murder. Drama at a Georgia sentencing. And Josh Mankiewicz on "Deadly Mirage."
That had sort of been her theme, but she didn't take the stand. We only heard from her at the sentencing.
Death County, PA
Trust Exercise | 7
Inspector Board meeting to award if we would all rise for a moment of silence and pledge to apply. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
Let's just be honest. As shocking as it was for me to find out I won, I think it was 10 times more shocking for the others to find out I won. Somebody even said to me, they were at the commissioner's meeting the day after the election and said it was like a funeral. It was like a 30-second meeting. It was like a funeral is what they told me. And I was like, shoot, that's crazy.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
And that gap just kind of with each precinct kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. My phone was ringing off the hook for media. I think people were just like shocked.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
Then I found out that it's just a name tag. It doesn't have any privileges.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
And I returned it and said, I'm not interested in trinkets. Like, I'm a county commissioner now. So, like, if you wanted to wait till I take my oath of office to give me this fine, but don't hand me something and say, well, all we can do is give you a name badge. I think that interaction kind of let them know, like, I wasn't joking.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
Like, I'm not here trying to, like, throw my weight around, but I'm also, like, trying to be taken seriously.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I have oversights of things that I'm very passionate about that go outside of the prison, like affordable housing.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
Well, that's still a question. I think if I answered that, I would have found the silver bullet, you know. I don't think there is a silver bullet, though. I think it's a lot of things.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
People can breathe fresh air. The impact on quality of life for our inmates is going to be massive if we can get to fully staffed or even close to fully staffed.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
People were like, holy crap, you showed that like this seat could be flipped in the future. That's what everyone was telling me. Like you way outperformed what people thought was possible.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I do think we need to be more accountable and transparent. We need to improve that for the sake of, you know, the public trusting us because I think the lack of communication has built some real trust issues that are the same trust issues I have.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
We both feel this, I think, heavy burden and weight of responsibility to use this platform to legitimately get changed.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
It's hard to walk past a door in that place without someone being like, Commissioner, let's talk, like, you know. I've been in there a lot since taking office, so most of them have already had conversations with me in some capacity or at least seen me around.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I went out to the parking lot to get some air, and we just kept refreshing our phones, and I'm refreshing my phone out in the parking lot.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I found out via text that the power was out and that they were assessing the generator's response to it.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
What was communicated to me was that there was a good handle on it from admin, and I was in constant communication via text of what was transpiring and taking place.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I had my phone on the side of the bed ready for alerts as they came in.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
And I found out that they were still working on it. And then that's when I got very concerned.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
We just walked every block A through F because we were told those were the blocks that had experienced the AC outage. It was hot as hell. It was very hot in the cells.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
In a lot of ways, I'm very thankful for the hard work of our CEOs, you know, showing up and putting in that effort.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
So it was clear that the generator was doing its job, and it was also clear that we weren't experiencing any power failures of note or anything not working of note.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I don't know the extent of what admin's presence out there was. I just know they weren't out there when the power came back on. And I couldn't really understand that.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I mean, with thousands and thousands of votes, that's a pretty slim margin.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I've never ran a prison before, so I don't want to come across like I know where people should be and when they should be there. But this was an emergency. I think leadership is often best expressed through presence in times of crisis. And I, at that moment, was very disappointed.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
Then I checked into my hotel room. Literally as soon as the guy handed me back my card, I got a text that said the power's out again. And then I immediately got in my car and drove to the prison to assess the situation.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
Like, I was just doing the runner things that, like, anyone can do. I think one guy didn't have peanut butter in his bag lunch, and he was supposed to have it, and so I went to the kitchen and got him. Like, a CO doesn't need to do this. They got enough to worry about right now. Justin called in some favors.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
We worked with some community partners from our community advisory board to deliver ice and then just, you know, reimburse them for that.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
What it's going to take is higher standards. And I think it's going to even take like me not having to communicate higher standards, but people knowing that the task of being in this role means the standard is high.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I may be new, but it's clear Dauphin County has been a cesspool of corruption. With people turning a blind eye, or even worse, in on it themselves.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
We only raised $12,000 for my campaign. Like, it was not driven by money. It was driven by people and connections. And so I value every single one of those.
Death County, PA
Lights Out | 5
I'm not really the eternal optimist type person. I tend to lean pessimist, but I was like, this is like a coin flip, I think. And even that felt really oddly hopeful.
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How Inflammation, Microplastics, and Poor Nutrition Sabotage Our Brains and Make Us Depressed with Dr. Drew Ramsey
Mm-hmm.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Remember when you used to say, I'm getting on the computer?
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And then add in, as you brought up, I think so correctly, there's not one smoking gun. There's not a single bullet. What we've seen is that there's been radical change in how humans... In particular, we'll talk about our culture, right? In the United States, how we've interacted with our environments over the last 20 years.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
If we look at sleep, for example, we think, and we'll talk about this more, I'm sure, we're like, all the research is out that we should sleep more. And what we find is that we're actually sleeping less every year. And why is that? It's because we're working hand to tooth and nail. We're grinding until 12. No one's doing that. Stop lying. We are on TV. We're on tech. We're hanging out.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
We're self-soothing because this stuff is fun. I think Juliet and I, born in the 70s, sidestepped a lot of these conversations. People were like, well, I wasn't on TikTok. I'm like, because you would have been. I mean, I would have
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
I'm like, oh, give me those tasty snacks, like all these things, you know? And so I think what's important to see is suddenly if we start to aggregate all of these small things, we're starting to see the impact. And what we should always do is say, how can we make this objective? Let's not talk sort of feelings about this.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Let's just say we're running this experiment with our health and with our families, in our society, in our culture. And we can now say, well, what are the outcomes? Well, let's look at diabetes, let's look at obesity, let's look at chronic pain, let's look at substance abuse.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Anything you care about, ACL and G-rates in kids, anything you care about probably is trending downward or looks like, oh my gosh, we have a public health crisis coming, right? And so I think what we should be asking then is, okay, in fitness, particularly in health, which is now almost a trillion dollar industry,
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
We should be viewing that as a test ground, as a teaching hospital and test kitchen. We're running this big trillion dollar experiment and is it working? And what we can start to say is, well, I think we've done it for 10 years. Is that a long enough experiment or 15 years to see inputs and outputs? Because it is difficult and it's complex.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But what we can say is all of the things that we're currently doing doesn't seem to be enough to translate into society as a whole, objectively. So where are we going to then... come back into people's lives and show them without another complex, sophisticated iteration system program on top. Because when we add complexity on top of complex systems, it's really messy.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So what we need to do is start to ask ourselves, what can a person do at that hyperlocal level in their home, in their family to start to right the ship?
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And I love, dude, we call it now, I just heard this, fit care. We've got sick care, and then those people who are obsessed with fitness and health and brain and longevity and durability, it's fit care. We're like, oh, we're just gonna create better tools for you to become even fitter and live longer.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And let's call it a vital sign. A vital sign. And there's a bunch of other vital signs. I think there's 10 total.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But when we establish that and we have a benchmark, an objective measure that anyone can drop in anytime with their family at any place, you don't need a doctor to measure this. And that is now we have a new language to be able to kind of keep talking about how do we integrate these practices.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
You're right, they're into Taibo.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Let's take a paleolithic view, which is my least favorite angle of attack. Well, we should do this because we've always eaten fermented mare's milk soup. The paleolithic movement as a rationale isn't a good one. But what is good is to say, for two and a half million years, what have humans been doing on this planet? Well, we go to bed when it's dark and we wake up in the sun.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Okay, we can start to realize we have a 24-hour cycle that most of us can wrap our heads around. We carry heavy things. We carry resources around, babies, fuel, calories. We've been moving and carrying a lot. And what we suddenly see is, if we look at the physiology of the human, for example, there's this thing called the lymphatic system.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And a lot of people are sort of, yeah, I've heard that maybe back in seventh grade.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Right. Well, good point. And one of the things that we want people to understand is that you have kind of two big highways of circulation in your body. obviously your circulatory system, and then the other is your lymphatic system. Your lymphatic system is the sewage system of your body.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And what is happening is your body naturally is killing cells, cells are dying, you're turning over cellular processes, there's waste materials, broken down proteins, all of that gets shuttled through your sewage system, which is your lymphatic system. So you make about three to four liters of lymphatic fluid every day that gets ultimately dumped back in and filtered by your liver and kidneys.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
the lymphatic system is bootstrapped into your muscle system. And so if you want to flush the toilet, if you want to move the waste, and you have to move the waste in order to bring the groceries in, garbage out, groceries in. If you don't bring the garbage out, The groceries don't get in.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And what we start to see is that if you're not moving, you're not adequately creating muscle contraction that does what? That pumps up the lymphatic system, those one-way tubes built into all your musculature. There's like 100,000 kilometers of, I mean, the amount of lymphatic sort of system that's built into your body is immaculate.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And for example, I don't think it's like 30% of that is in your neck and head. I mean, it really is remarkable, these lymphatic. I think you might have heard the lymphatic system when you're talking about breast cancer and we're looking at sentinel nodes and things like that. People can relate to that.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So one of the things we can say is, well, if you want your body to work like a body, you need to move. And it's junk movement. It doesn't matter. And it turns out moving, junk movement, I'm just saying not to put a sort of negative on it. but it's simple movement. It's not complex movement. What's the easiest way to get my legs and calves to contract? It's through walking.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And if you've ever flown an airplane or not been active and your legs kind of swell up and you get cankles, that's the backing up of your sewage system. So here, what we've done we've set up an environment where people don't have to move. And then we wonder why we don't feel as good, why our tissue's quality isn't as great.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And the easiest thing you can do is begin to just say, hey, let's make sure that the physiology is doing what we're doing. If you don't sleep for a few days, you're going to be a disaster. If you don't move for a few days, it's going to be a problem.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And what's interesting is that oftentimes it feels for us that we're on the top of a big ship looking down, and we get all these different views of the ship. We're like, rocks over there, sharks over there, monsters over there.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And when we know, because we've worked in the hospital, the number one thing we try to do is get people up and moving right away so they don't lose all those structural proteins, so that they can be up and don't lose their blood pressure regulation. There's a whole lot of reasons why we get people moving because sedentariness is such a problem.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So one of the things that we're trying to do here is help people understand that if you want and are obsessed with elite performance, that is done with the same sets of tools to go ahead and work to be 110 years old and very functional, that these things differ by degree, not kind.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And what we're talking about is if I want to reduce something we call session cost, which is, hey, I did a big workout or I had a big event or something, I can basically measure the impact on my body the next day. I can look at resting heart rate, heart rate variability, central nervous system readiness. I can do all of those things to measure my ability to recover from that kind of big event.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So, one of the things we're obsessed with is helping athletes reduce session cost, helping CEOs reduce session costs from big stressful events in their lives. So, ultimately, what we're saying is, hey, if you do these things, you actually can work harder, feel better, and improve the things you care about.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Also, if you don't care about those things, they're running in the background as basic practices that help your body do what it needs to do.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And everyone in your family, your aunties, everyone.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
If you do Peloton three hours a week versus walk 10,000 steps seven days a week, guess which one wins in terms of calorie burnage? Guess how many more cookies I get to eat because all I've done is just move my body a little bit more.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
and is objective. It's easy to start to see. As a vital sign now, what we can say is, oh man, I just went through a gnarly work phase. I haven't been able to move. I've been in a busy meeting, whatever's going on. I'm below my vital sign. My blood pressure has gotten a little bit high. Oh, what do I need to do to control my blood pressure? A few things, right?
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So suddenly now we have a reference mark and it doesn't feel like we're chasing something. It helps us to say, okay, here's my baseline. I've just been a little bit below my baseline a little bit.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
and what we can do with this kind of thinking is suddenly take exercise off the table and start to view it as almost like an extracurricular we can say what is my physical practice and what i think is important about this idea of a physical practice is that from when i wake up to when i go to bed i have a whole lot of choice about the care and feeding of my brain and body and gut and all the things that are important to me through really simple behaviors that i can just integrate
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But if I didn't get a chance to exercise, I still did a ton to burn calories, to load, to decongest, to get sunshine, to see my neighbors, to feel better, to work on my hip range of motion. And I have this really complete physical practice that still sustains me, still helps me feel better, still helps me look less gross for my wife, right? All the things that are important to us.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And what that means is then, for example, let me give you a real life. Yesterday, we were invited to come speak at Specialized Bikes and sort of kick off a big meeting. That was at 8 a.m. That means we got up at 5. We left the house at 6. We drove two hours. Then we drove down to L.A. Then we happened to go to see The Cure last night at the Hollywood Bowl just by accident.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But there was zero chance for us to exercise or do anything like that. But we ended up walking 12,000 steps or over 12,000 steps. And so what's nice there is, boy, my sleep, terrible. But I'm just below my average. It's okay. But in that mindset of what can I control here? Well, I could go to the coolest grocery store ever, Erwan, and get really amazing food.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And I could move my body and I got to spend time with my family. And it wasn't a throwaway for me where I said, oh, I didn't get to train today. So I have to restrict or I have to do something or I'm not a good person. I was like, look at all the positive inputs I had in my physical practice. And if I do those things more regularly, I'll actually be able to be more ready to
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
to engage with exercise because my body's prepared.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And if you have had a family member have a fall, break a hip, have a sickness or disease, or even wellness, people who seem very well. But having that, just the hits are coming. I just want to tell everyone, If you're a human being, traffic accidents happen, disease happens, stress happens, deaths happen. The changes in your work status are going to happen.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
The stress and the things are coming your way because you're human.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Yeah, and it's from that cross-legged position. And the reason the cross-legged position is notable is that it's a real mid-range position. It actually doesn't require full hip range of motion or ankle range of motion. Those things are sort of put to the side. It's a test or expression of your range of motion of your hips and how easily they move. And ultimately, as we point out,
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Your range of motion though is the thing that I think was most people commented on.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Julian and I have spent the better part of 15 years in high-performance sports. So premier soccer, premier rugby, NFL, military. We get to see everyone's dirty laundry. We have worked with a lot of world champions, a lot of Olympians. People are asking us to come in and evaluate our program. How do you help us be more durable? How do you help us go faster?
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And the first order of business is the 10 vital signs here. We are trying to help... organizations and teams find their blind spots. And ultimately, what I want everyone to understand is that we feel like the highest calling of science, this is an E.O. Wilson idea, the highest calling of science is to transform the humanities. That was what he thought, great science.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Pure science is important, but the highest calling of science is to actually make our lives better as humans. Well, we were like, wow, that's a pretty powerful statement. What if the highest calling of sport and high performance was to learn lessons That we could come back and transmute and to change our families and to change our communities. We were like, okay.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So suddenly this sport wasn't just about entertainment. It wasn't circus. It was how are we going to come to understand what's really crucial for humans to operate at a high level? Because one of my favorite coaches is a guy named Franz Bosch. And he has a great saying. There's more variation in waltzing than there is in sprinting. And let me set that up for people.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
At low load, low speed, low demand on the body, you can get away with a lot. And so most of us can get away with a lot because our lives are actually low load, low speed, low stress. We just kind of go through and our bodies are really durable and immaculate. But we started adding a little stress. We started adding a world championship. We started adding speed and load to that thing.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
it's difficult to get people to care about the range of motion until they can't do something. And so by opening the book, what we've given people is, hey, here's something you've been doing since you were a child and every child around you, you've practiced this thing, I don't know, 100,000 times, 200,000 times in your life. And now suddenly you're struggling to get up and down.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And the conditions under which we can create really durable people who can handle lots of stress repeatedly, those practices really start to dovetail and to become integrated. So the 10 practices in here are the same tools that we use for our best athletes and our best teams. I just want everyone to understand that.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But we've also come to realize that those are the hinges that open the biggest doors. Are there other things we encourage you to add to this list? Are there things that have been transformative for you? But for us, we were like, here's a place to start. And the way to think about it, It's each vital sign creates a constellation of behaviors.
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And as you sort of move out that the valence around those vital signs start to interact with the other vital signs. As we already hinted at, if I want to get better at sleep, boy, I better start to move more. And if I want to have healthier tissues, boy, I better start to move more. And if I suddenly start to realize...
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I start to have to integrate and think of these things as a systems whole, that complexity, that consilience in all of these behaviors. People are always like, which one is the most important? I'm like, what you're really asking me is what's not important. Yeah.
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What if you're sitting there and I'm like, here, hold my baby. Can you get up? You can't. I'm like, here's two cups of coffee. Here's a great glass of wine and a cigar. You still can't stand up. So I think what's interesting is that When we started with that, we got people's attention about saying, oh, I wonder if I have blind spots.
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And we know those people.
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And so again, we feel like observable, measurable, repeatable. We have to create objectives for people. And now we're in a time where we actually have some data and some research to support what we're also seeing is validated clinically. So if I want, as a physical therapist, the last thing I ever wanted to touch was nutrition. I just am like, that's a third rail. It's like a...
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I'm like, no, thanks. Juliet is, has done a ton of nutrition learning. She is certified. She works with, you know, she's into that thing. It's her jam for me. I'm like, right. And, but realizing that I'm never going to talk to you about the health of your tissues, unless you're getting enough protein. unless you're getting enough micronutrients and fiber.
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And so suddenly what we realize is, well, I guess I have to kind of become competent in this because we talk about body composition with 100% of our athletes. We talk about, you know, tissue health and fueling with 100% of our athletes that we have children.
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And, you know, so when we start to look at those things, we realize we have to address some of these things because there's such salient features of the global whole.
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Because your hip range of motion, for no fault of your own, suddenly become a blind spot. And that influences potentially what your knees do, how your back functions, the movement choices that you have, the amount of ability to regulate your range and balance. All of those things start to come together.
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I'll let Julia take a swing of this, but let me just start by saying, look at us. We are survivors.
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We are veterans of the diet war. Every single one of them. We've been around since the zone in the 90s. We've been around from Spaffray. Like we have seen it all. We've done it all. I have given myself explosive diarrhea with keto. I have done this, okay?
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And the other thing we loved about it- 1.7 pounds of melon is like 280 calories.
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You couldn't.
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But by starting with that conversation, it's easy to say, okay, okay, okay, I got what you're saying now. Where do we go on?
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Dude, it's cherry season. Go get a pound of cherries. Consume an entire pound of cherries. It may not be great for you. It may be bad. It may be a little tough. That's 230 calories. That's less than a Starbucks cookie. Like by a long shot. Yeah. That's a pound of food. A pound. Like you're going to be like, oh, no more cherries. I mean- What you see is, as Julia's saying, you can eat so much more.
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Oh, culturally inclusive? What are you talking about?
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
It's actually a performance exercise.
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And so if you're- Well, just that when we see organizations that share a meal together a week, they perform better. Perform better. And if they eat a single meal every day together, I mean, what's the research about having dinner with your kids? You're going to have kids who are like, do less drugs and are happy. That's just from eating together.
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So imagine now we're like, hey, let's make it easier to eat together.
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I want to take everything.
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$8 food scale. What is an Apple way?
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Love it. Everything we're talking about is great. We think that these vital signs are useful. Now let's just pretend that we're talking about your kids. Do your kids need micronutrients? Yes. Do your kids' growing brains need these micronutrients? Yes. They're not getting them.
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If we look, I mean, there was big research that just came out that like a month ago that basically in the last week, what, 50% of the kids had hadn't eaten a fruit. And only 30% of the kids had eaten a fruit and vegetable, you know, of actual vegetable.
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So what we're seeing is that real malnutrition and the missing of these essential building blocks of tissue health, of the brain health, of the whole thing. They're just not in the diets of our kids. And you can go, you're an expert in this, but we're seeing colorectal cancers and strange diseases and like young kids who are only eating chicken McNuggets. And I mean, it's crazy.
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Even we understand, we have this thing called one less fight. We don't want to have one more fight in our family about eating something. So there's a couple of things that we do. One is that I have one daughter who is like a gourmet and loves to eat everything. And I have another daughter who's like, is that brown food? I'll eat the brown food. Give me the brown food.
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I'll love to eat the brown food. Super sensitive, super picky. But in the morning, I make her a little smoothie. It's a handful of frozen berries, a splash of some kind of yogurt. And then she drinks that as she gets ready for school. She's a freshman. And then I give her a protein, which we'll talk about in a second, and a vitamin.
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So no matter what, I know that she's had some actual fruits and vegetables, right? She's had a protein and she's had a micronutrient supplement because... As soon as she leaves the house, I don't know whose kid that is. I don't know what she's going to eat. I can't be responsible for her choices.
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Dude, dude. So what I'm starting to see is that we have to be really proactive about making sure these things end. And usually, you know, Everyone's like, eat your veggies. But people are like, I don't like veggies. We're like, cool, here are all these fruits. So we want to be thinking about, as we're trying to support growing bodies and athletic growing bodies, do have on hand.
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People are big on collagen supplementation, but if you don't have any vitamin C,
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in the system you can't actually utilize that collagen the vitamin c and collagen go together well it turns out you're vitamin c depleted by the time you wake up in the morning i'm not trying to make vitamin c scarcity i'm just saying wow what's the source of vitamin c that i could easily get in the morning it's called a handful of fruits and it doesn't take very much
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So this is an easy way, if you're healing from surgery, I'm a physical therapist, or injury, I want you to have all the building blocks on hand so that your body can heal at its miraculous rate and not be rate limited by the nutrition that you're not getting or being aware of. I also wanna talk about the fact that
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there's a lot of calorie control hidden in these these two recommendations the second recommendation we have besides the 800 gram challenge is to get more protein and as you've already talked about we our recommendations are actually really reasonable 0.7 to 1 gram per pound body weight as you get older probably should get a little more.
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If you're very active, you probably should get a little more. If you're not even hitting 0.7, just get to 0.7 grams per pound body weight to start with. And what you'll see is suddenly again, you're vegetarian, cool, we're down with that. You wanna supplement with vegetarian protein shakes, we're down with that. Just show us you can actually hit those numbers.
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And what we find is that people are way under on their protein, way under on their micronutrients. How can I talk about your Achilles hurting or your back pain hurting or your lack of focus or the fact that your kid isn't growing or any of the body composition issues?
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So those two things, as we know, adding a ton of fiber and a ton of fruits and vegetables you have to eat and hitting these protein macros, boy, you end up feeling full. Like you're like... I gotta eat dinner, you know, like, oh, you know, and what we found is by expanding the choices that people have and expanding their food content, we actually get a lot of calorie control.
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Cause I'm like, look, hit all these minimums for me through this vital sign. And then if you want to go crush some cake, go crush some cake. But guess what? There's probably less room for the cake. You're so busy stuffing your face, trying to get your minimums all day long. And you have built in calorie control. One of my friends sent me a, just a quick calculation.
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And he was like, what do you think about this diet, Kelly? He's like, I'm going to eat a, like, it was like a 50 ounce ribeye. It was insane, right? It's so many calories. And he's like, and then I'm gonna eat a pound of melon. He's like, that's it. Or 1.8 pounds of melon. And it was 2,300 calories. So he got like 210 grams of protein from this one steak.
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And I was like, that's the worst diet ever. And the least, the most boring diet ever. But what we're showing is that with eating this huge fatty chunk of meat, plus a pound of melon, he was still only eating 2,300 calories a day. So- What we're starting to see now is when we begin to help people manage that, we see that a lot of other behaviors start to come on board.
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So I played around with time-restricted eating, intermittent fasting, just like everyone else. Because I was like, oh, calorie control for adults. I'm down. I sometimes don't have a big food drive first thing in the morning. I have some black coffee. I feel great. I wanna be less gross for my wife. Turns out this is a great way to be less gross.
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And, but what I found- This is a theme, can you tell this less gross theme?
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Well, when your wife has abs, you have to chase those abs. So one of the things that I noticed is that if I didn't eat until midday, And remember, the research came out that said, oh, time-restricted eating is a problem because we're losing a lot of muscle mass, right? Because we're not eating. And so I found that I had to eat a lot more during the day, during my window of eating.
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And then I found out that I was actually under-fueled for the exercises I was doing in the afternoon. I was bonking. I didn't feel good. I had low energy availability. And I was like, wow, this missing this crucial meal has really put me behind. Then... I would realize that like 10 o'clock at night, I was deeply undercaloried and super starving. I weigh about 238 pounds. I have big butt, right?
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I love to squat and bike. And Juliet would be like, I'm not sure eating a whole chicken and a jar of peanut butter before you go to bed is going to be the best thing for your sleep. And I was like, you don't know me. I got to get my macros. And what I found was that it totally disrupted my sleep because I was eating so much in the day. And so for me, what I thought was,
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
hey, that's a system that isn't allowing me to get enough fruits and vegetables and get enough protein. Let me just make sure that at the first meal of the day that I have, I'm putting some fruits in and getting some protein in and I can still respect those calories, but I can meet those demands of having a carbohydrate available, having micronutrients and all the things on board.
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So it's a way of sort of framework in your life. Then if you want to turn it up, turn it down for your specialness, your unique snowflakeness, knock yourself out.
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They took one look at me and were like, nope.
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We have this thing called the three vegetable rule. And every night for dinner, we cook three different vegetables. And there may be a salad and two other vegetables on there. They rotate. Our kids have certain favorites. But for us, we're like, oh, look, we're going to hit our grams. We're going to be stuffed eating this, all these veggies.
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And for our kids, we give them a choice where they can start to, you know, at least get some micronutrients and fiber in there. And that turned out to be really, really useful. The amount that we grabbed from one of our friends.
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Let me just follow up by saying, have you heard of the phrase almond mom? Almond? Yeah, almond mom.
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So our kids came to us and were making fun of us one time. They were like, oh, you guys are almond moms. And it's when we see a parent hyper-obsessed with diet culture start to influence their children on real diet culture. And when I mean diet culture, very restrictive, very controlled.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And you really hit up two pieces that we're trying to set up with the book. The first one is people do not need another listicle, right? They don't need another, here's 17 ways to optimize. Here's your checklist. Here's how you're going to add in complex behaviors without really understanding anything about your life.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But even our kids have become aware through a meme now of how we have really lost what nutrition and feeling looks like, what a diet, a human diet looks like with dieting, that it's always about weight control. And remember, my day job is to work with the best athletes on the planet to win more world championships.
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We recently were working with a two-time world champion superstar who'd had a couple big injuries. A surfer. couple of big injuries. And one of the things that we found was that this person wasn't able to get enough, wasn't eating, they were under fueling. And there's a phenomenon called relative energy deficiency in sport reds. It used to be the triad where we saw women, they'd lose their period.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
We saw lumbodensis, sarcopenia, but reds happens across the board for men and women. And what we ended up doing for this athlete was just getting him to eat some more protein and some more carbohydrate at the right time. And he put on 12 pounds in six weeks because he just pulled off the lever and he surfing great, power went up, surfing went up. So don't assume that everyone is nailing this.
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And also, these are great recommendations if you're getting older and want to keep your muscle mass. We find that people are under eating protein and we're finding that people who are exercising like maniacs are not supporting their soft tissues. If we're going to get to the bottom of your soft tissue injuries and healing, we're going to have to have this conversation about micronutrients
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
I'm not afraid of cookies. You don't keep them in the house though, right? That's the hack. But you're really right. What ends up happening is, you know, we know... I think we used to think as you age, all these things decline, they all go away, it's guaranteed.
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And what we know is that we need to think differently about where people are going to engage with behaviors that turn out to be well evidenced, easy, practicable to change their lives. And sitting on the ground while you watch TV is an easy thing to do.
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I just saw a really great study that just showed that trained men lose a little power at 60, but untrained men, ooh, they lose a lot of power between 50 and 60. And what we're actually seeing is, well, if you just keep training, you can actually maintain a lot of your power and function. Range of motion too can be easily maintained.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But what we're seeing is it's a lot harder to put muscle mass on or change your grandma's bone density when she's 60 and 70. It's harder. So it's much easier for us to say, hey, look, here's what we know from the best athletes in the world around body weight control, if that's important to you, and just fueling and taking care of your tissues. Let's get you doing that when you're a teenager.
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Let's get you starting to think about that so that this is just a program running in the back of your life so that when you get to that place where we start to typically see those declines, we don't automatically have to endure them.
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And instead of having to go to a class or talk about these things or take some course, all I need you to do tonight is sit on the ground for 30 minutes while you're watching TV and fidget. Find all these different positions. And as you hinted at, it's interesting, your grandmother said, hey, I like to do it this way.
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Yeah, in fact, tinker away. Let me know how it goes and email me if you're having some crazy results. That nut and meat diet, man, for breakfast, that is a Charles Poliquin 101. Have a few Brazil nuts and eat some steak. Dude, if you're doing that, you are not the problem.
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We're like, hey, bring it on. Show me a better way. And if that really speaks to you and you're having huge, you know, the other thing I would say is really you think that that handful of blueberries is going to like spike your insulin and crush you, huh? You are sensitive. And ultimately, one of our friends who lives up the street is this surfer named Laird Hamilton.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And he has this great idea, because one of the things in the book that we actually have hidden in there is a glucose tolerance test. Like go ahead and have a Frappuccino and see if you spike and freak out, because that's a problem. And also we have a 24 hour fast in here for people. We're like, go dinner to dinner and let us know what happens.
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Because if you can't fast as a human being, that's a problem.
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No.
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It's a side and then we're like, hey, let's become curious about this because there'll be time in your life. But we, I don't know how many people we've talked to. I'm like, when's the last time you went 24 hours without eating? And they're like, never once in my whole life. I'm like, oh.
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Got it, got it, got it. And if you drank that and like got all queasy and passed out, we're like, you have a system that's a little bit too twitchy. And to come back to our friend, Lambert Hamilton, he's like, look, if we go out and you bonk because you're not fat adapted, then you're a liability.
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And if the only thing we can feel with is this hamburger from this gas station, but you eat it and your knuckles swell up and you freak out, then you're also a liability. So we're really trying to- You want to create flexibility.
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We should be able- We're not suggesting hamburgers from gas stations.
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There is some thinking, Phillip Beach is a great writer about these things, but that sitting on the ground, all these ground-based positions are one of the ways the body tunes itself. And once you become accustomed to having access to that range of motion, things function better.
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Because the food we were buying was the most expensive cat food you can buy.
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That's what cats don't eat. Well, cats are.
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But it's easy to be, hey, I think I'm doing something the right thing because I've bought the most expensive thing. And we forget that these underlying principles.
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And that when you take them away, your grandmother might've said, I don't feel as good when I don't bend my knees all the way or change my ankles all the way or sit in these positions or load my connective tissue in this way that's just in the background of doing something that human beings have done for a long time.
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You don't get a headache and vomit in the bushes.
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I hope you drink that and actually feel bad.
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The reaction you'll see is that when people have such an adverse reaction to it, that we're saying is that, hey, you are eating in a way that hasn't created the buffers for your, the bumpers for your body. Can I fast? Could I handle huge bullets of sugar? If you're spinning out on either side of those, what we're saying is, hey, you're probably your average typical nutrition isn't on point.
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That's what we're saying. And if we see this whole food nutrition, which is again, the revolution and risk, we're not nutrition experts. the risk is that, hey, we're seeing in high performance sports, we're feeding our athletes whole foods again. And so let's go ahead and take that back around.
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But what you have brought up many times is that people think that they're eating really healthy and they're eating highly processed, highly calorically dense foods. And that is a problem. We're trying to, hey, if you should be able to fast, you should be able to eat some junk once in a while. We're looking on both ends.
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That's not a recommendation, but it's just a nice way of understanding what is it my body's capable of?
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Absolutely. And that's, we haven't even talked about the sleep piece. You know, let's talk about, so what's interesting is, you know, if we know that, man, you get a bad night's sleep, what happens to your insulin sensitivity the next day? You're pre-diabetic. It's off. We made a, I made a comment on the internets recently. Where I was like, you should get seven to eight hours of sleep. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Just Google, how much sleep does a human being need? And it's like seven to eight, seven to nine. If you're a growing body, maybe it's nine or 10, right? Every athlete on the planet is like, yeah, I got to sleep. And I sleep nine hours because I'm an Olympian and I take a nap.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But like the number of people that came on and the hate I got from suggesting that people sleep seven hours a night was insane.
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So I think what we were surprised, so it was interesting, you know, Kelly- People who are not in our vertical.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
People were like, you're sleep shaming me. And I was like, oh, is that what it is? Like, because you, you know, I get on, I get by on just four hours sleep, but just fine. I'm like, do you? I'd like to see some objective measures, please. Because I think that's the problem.
Dhru Purohit Show
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I think we're all so tolerant and that we can just subsist on, you know, Virginia slams and tab and, you know, and, you know, just, you know, be stress cases. We can take a lot in for a long time and then all of a sudden we can't. And the issue here is that we're seeing and talking about this long, long time. projection of your life. And I think in the short term, you can do whatever you want.
Dhru Purohit Show
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We know, I've seen world champions have cigarettes and eat little chocolate donuts. People have kids that get really bad.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
You're going to. Good luck trying to do that. Comma, when you have a benchmark where we know everything gets better and you're below the benchmark, you're like, I'm just below my benchmark. So I'm just, as soon as I have a chance, I'm going to get back up to my minimums. And I think that really ends up being a much better way.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But if you're, let me just be clear, everyone, I'm going to double down now. If you're in chronic pain, we you really need to talk about your sleep. And I understand that that might be tricky because you're in chronic pain. But if we're gonna get you out of chronic pain, we need to really improve your sleep, as much sleep and as high quality sleep as we can.
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If you're trying to heal from a surgery, the same. If you're trying to grow a body, the same. That means if you're a teenager, you gotta get the sleep. If you're trying to change your body composition, boy, it's a lot harder to do if you're underslept. It's a lot easier to do if you're getting enough sleep. If you're trying to become more powerful, win a world championship, you've got to sleep.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
If you're trying to show up for an interview, you better sleep because what you're going to find is that your brain is going to lie to you.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And we can start those habits. So, for Juliet and I, we really start cutting off the caffeine at 12 and 1 because we're like, holy moly, if we have this caffeine, we know it's going to affect the quality of our sleep. If I eat too late at night, affects my sleep. If I, right? And so, I'm not even talking about wearing the, you know, Dave Asprey glasses.
Dhru Purohit Show
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I'm just talking about, man, there are some things that you can do as a human being. I'm just going to have a cocktail with my friends because I love that. It helps me unwind. Boy, that wrecks my sleep.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So what we can then do is to, once we bring some consciousness, you get to be a big boy and put on your pants and be like, I'm going to have a drink with my best friends because we're celebrating and it's going to wreck my sleep a little bit. That's okay. Because tomorrow I'll be back on it. But a lot of these practices and processes have been hidden from us.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And once we give people the choice, then we can start to make sort of more informed decisions about the things we like to do.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
We have been engaged in marathon sitting right now.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
We maybe should. You would blow people's minds and they wouldn't be able to talk to you.
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That was James Levine from the Mayo Clinic, an obesity researcher.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Julie, let's talk about all these fancy terms and all these important things. We found a little calculator that if she just was at moving during her work and choice during the work year, she burned an additional 100,000 calories a year. So I outweigh Juliet almost by 100 pounds. And so I was just like, well, let me just add 70% to that.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
It's 170,000 calories of cookies and ice cream piled on a table that I get to eat for free because I just didn't sit in a classical chair. So what we find, again, is that it's a lot of non-exercise activity, which is the game. The game is to sort of be in constant motion during the day. And then however you want to solve that, once again, we think that's up to you. We think you're clever.
Dhru Purohit Show
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We think you can work it out. Harvard defines sedentary lifestyle as sitting more than six hours a day. Everybody.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
No, no, I would say everyone, because that's riding the car, that's sitting on the couch watching Netflix. Yeah, that's the cumulative. Cumulative. And let's define that. Let's be objective. If you fall below one and a half metabolic equivalents of energy expenditure, remember the met on the old tread, you know, Stairmaster, right? Like, what's a met?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
I don't know, but I'm doing five mets, I'm killing it. Well, one and a half mets is a sort of measurement of how much energy your body's using at rest. And if you sit down, you're below one and a half. If you perch or are active or standing, above one and a half. So when they found out, remember the Wii came out and they were like, this is revolutionary.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
It turned out playing the Wii burned as many calories as standing because it got us above one and a half metabolic equivalents. And so suddenly what we realized is, well, how can I create more muscle activity? How do I have more movement? We talked a little bit about the session cost early on.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
We mentioned that we could look at an athlete's sport or skill or training session and sort of assign how expensive was that on the physiology, how it was able to manage that workload and still be able to do more work. Well, we can take a kind of a window back and say, well, what's the session cost for sitting? Not on the physiology, but access to your range of motion.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And what we find is that people who do a lot of sitting end up lacking or missing their ability to extend their hip. So the problem is, and I mean, taking your knee, she's laughing because I'm obsessed with hip extension.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So the idea here is- Take a shot every time you talk about hip extension. That's right. You need to be able to have your knee come behind you, like in a lunge position. And it is a fundamental reason. It's actually a meme on the internet about... split squats or rear foot elevated split squats or Bulgarians are the worst exercise. It's the number one exercise everyone hates the most to do.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And the reason is that getting your leg behind you in a loaded lunge position is the hardest thing we do because we're so conditioned to what? Sitting in this flexed position.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
What this allows us to do is not say you shouldn't sit because it'll hurt your back. I'm like, your back may hurt just because you're that person and you're super stressed and your dad didn't love you, whatever. I don't know what the reason is your back hurts. But what I can say and measure is, wow, you did all the sitting and now your hip extension sucks.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
You've fundamentally altered just like those kids in the first grade who started heel striking We're starting to see that, hey, we have a society that is not able to extend their hip. I wonder why your knee hurts. Oh, and also I see you're also missing hip extension. I wonder why you have chronic back pain. I don't know what the mechanisms are, but I also see you're missing hip extension here.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So what we want to start to say is just like that sit and rise test, a lot of the movements that we engage in or don't engage with start to shape our ability to access our native ranges of motion. Hmm.
Dhru Purohit Show
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With its native range.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And muscles and tissues are like obedient dogs. They always come around. What age did you, when your great-grandmother got a cut, did she heal? She did. She healed a little slower than the 12-year-old. But you always are healing and turning over.
Dhru Purohit Show
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So there's no reason why we can't reclaim this range of motion, especially if we keep an eye on it, especially if your grandma likes to squat and kneel and sit on the ground. That's one of the things we're trying to do is say, where do we put this formal movement practice in that's a side or separated from exercise? Because that's what we think. I've done the Peloton. I'm good.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And basically you haven't You moved your ankles. You haven't moved your hips in a full range of motion. You haven't extended your spine. You haven't put your arms over your head. You can start to ask, well, what is it the body's supposed to do? And suddenly you're like, whoa, that sun salutation practice, that made a lot of sense.
Dhru Purohit Show
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That was like, how do I have a little breath and a little bit of movement? And how do I- Little balance. How do I touch some of these positions for 10 minutes in the morning so that if the day gets away from me- I have at least taken my hip through a full range of motion. And what we're seeing is that the average person is basically living in a little tiny movement window with like three words.
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Meanwhile, the body is capable of Shakespeare.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Can you imagine, would there be human beings for two and a half million years were like, well, you're over 60, you don't get up and down off the ground.
Dhru Purohit Show
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But we haven't given people clear benchmarks and clear vital signs.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So I think that's what we have tried to do is say, hey, look, I think a lot of us are getting the message around some of these other key behaviors, keystone behaviors like nutrition, sleep, et cetera. But those people are still not looking at range of motion. They still haven't established what it is I should be able to do. Those things are always in the context of exercise, not exercise.
Dhru Purohit Show
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movement choice, movement freedom, balance, those things. So when we've at least put this on the radar and we're like, look, you really like to engage in some strange esoteric practice, let's test how well that's doing. You do Peloton and yoga, let's test how that's doing. You do CrossFit, do you have access to your range of motion?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
When we have third party benchmarks and vital signs, we become agnostic about how you want to do that. But now we can begin a conversation about, hey, The thing that you're engaged with, maybe there's a hidden cost to that in your inability to move or expose your tissues to positions.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Just Google couch stretch.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Yeah. And what's nice then is, again, the test is the practice. The practice is the test. Yeah. Oftentimes the real problem we've seen is that people want to be heroic. Show me the, I'm going to go to range of motion bootcamp. I'm going to hire this expert and do remote zoom coaching. What we need to figure out is how to get these little small doses into everyone day's practice.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Practical, regular experience with them in their life. Yes, yes, yes. And so we started, for example, by saying, hey, let's sit on the ground for 30 minutes tonight. I just want you to watch TV while you're sitting on the ground. We went to, we have this story in the book, but we went to the Olympic Club in San Francisco. Very storied, you know, social club, athletic club in San Francisco.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And they were like, you're going to talk to mobility with all our people. And I was like, great. No chairs. And they were like, oh, well, that's weird. And I made three. like 300 people sit on the floor and these are like squash players and tennis players and like athletes and men who styled themselves as the captains of industry and athletes.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And no one, I had eventually had men in half hour laying down. They could not sit up. And I was like, what do you think the problem is? What sophisticated elite program do I want to drop into? You can't even sit on the floor, sir. So one of the things we love is that when you start to figure out when am I going to do this? Again, I'm not just, I'm not, I don't want you to kick anything else out.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Well, one of the things that we know, we love sitting on the ground because Juliet talked about the positions, but guess what's Oh, look, what's that right there? That's my roller. It's right next to the couch. And if I'm already sitting on the ground watching TV, I might as well engage in a little soft tissue work.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And now I'm conjoining what happened to me during the day with a little soft tissue mobilization. What's stiff? Oh, my feet, my calves, my back, whatever. Hey, I'm a little bit sore. If you have a ball and a roller, you can get so much net positive input. You can make yourself feel better. You can restore your range of motion. And as little, I sound like an infomercial, 10 minutes a day.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
But the key here is that it's 10 minutes a day, five to seven days a week. That aggregates into so much input into your body where we really see holistic wholesale changes in people's ability to access the range of motion, to develop force, to have less pain. And if you really, it's like what we found is our minimum dose is five minutes.
Dhru Purohit Show
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Five minutes on the left side, five minutes on the right side, work on something that's- For the soft tissue work. Yeah, soft tissue work. And since you're already sitting on the floor, it's right there. And if we can start to stack those behaviors- Where, well, I sit on the ground for 30 minutes, I watch TV, and then the roller's there, and I do my 10 minutes.
Dhru Purohit Show
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What you find is that you get all these ancillary benefits. Like, not only do you feel better, but you start to train your brain. Well, first I sit on the ground, then I do the soft tissue, then I go to bed. And what we know is that that... soft tissue work has large parasympathetic input. It helps you to relax. No one jumps off the massage table and is like, let's fight. No one does that.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And if you can get a little soft tissue input on the ground, chances are you're going to fall asleep and stay asleep because that's what the data supports. And now we have this pretty holistic system that really you can be consistent with and work into your busy life because anyone can sit on the ground and a foam roller is like, it's like toilet paper. You can buy it at Target.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
A lot of people talk about... glute inhibition or glute insomnia, right? Their glutes are asleep. My trainer told me my glutes are sleepy. So all the physical therapists will roll their eyes because we're like, that's not really a thing. Your butt is still working. But what we do see is that when you don't have access to your range of motion, we see a lot of inhibition.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So the brain turns down your body's ability to access force. So restoring your range of motion is the easiest way to turn those systems back on. Sitting on the ground won't magically give you a butt, but what it will do is start to restore how you're functioning. And lo and behold, When you can access your positions, your tissues work better.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So when we restore people's function, we restore their power. That's one of the things that always gets lost in this conversation. Why do you think we get called by the best athletes in the world who are trying to set world records because they're looking for all these pieces? And when we give them their range of motion back and show them how to optimize it, and what I mean optimize, I mean...
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Come back to basic range of motion that every physical therapist, every physician, everyone agrees is normative. Every human being should put their arm over their head. You're not going to swim fast if you can't put your arms over your head, right? So suddenly we give you a range of motion back and maintain that. And lo and behold, you go faster.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
wait for it everybody, we see a lot of inhibition of the glutes as a result of people not being able to extend their hips. So if you are missing hip extension and you care about a butt, then what you'll find is that your butt works and you can do this test for me. Get into a lunge position, take yourself as far as you can and squeeze your butt. If you take the couch test,
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Put yourself in the position where we load up your quads and the fascia of your anterior line, right? Your quads, your hips, and squeeze your butt. You'll find that not only can you not squeeze your butt, you also can't breathe. So you're basically putting yourself into position. Your brain's like, I have no neuromuscular control here. I can't even take a breath in this position.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
That's a pretty weak-ass position. And I use that on purpose, weak-ass. So what we find is that if we can restore some of these positions, we start to see the whole system upregulate. You want to have a butt? Let's get you access to the shapes where your butt can actually work.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Or you also get beginner gains. Yeah. Sign me up for beginner gains.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
If you go to built to move.com. Yeah. We have a free 21 day program. It's a video sort of workbook that goes along with the book. In the back of the book, we're showing you how to start to feather these behaviors in. We have a 21 day program. And the idea here is you don't have to do everything all at once. Read a test. Look, Juliet is a great student.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
She will start at the beginning of the book and go for the back. Welcome to Mr. Monkey Brain, where I'm gonna be like, what's interesting to me? So I turn to the chapter that I think I'm gonna win at or suck at the most.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And you can bounce around. Eventually you'll get everywhere. It really is. What we love about this conversation about health and returning agency is there's so many ways in. You might come in through disease. You might come in because someone else in your family has had disease. You might be getting it because you're super interested in the gut. You're interested in longevity.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
You're interested in pelotoning faster. Eventually, we're all going to have the same conversations about sleep, about movement, about nutrition.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And so we're like, hey, look, whatever really speaks to you, let's go and start there. And let's see how you're hitting. We have this idea of the 10 out of 10 club. Everyone, by the way, all of the things we're recommending in this book are so reasonable. And if you have a blind spot, chances are, because we test this, we're like, we gave this book out to, I don't know, 10 world champions.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And we're like, how's it going with your 10 out of 10? And they were like, holy moly, I wasn't walking enough or I wasn't eating any fruits and vegetables. And I was eating all these protein shakes. So what we're trying to do though is say, hey, let's level everyone up. Try to be 10 out of 10. And if you find some areas that you're quickly behind on, start to focus on them for a while.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
If you want a full program, go to BuiltToMoveBook.com. It's free. We're trying to give people different resources because we understand people are going to have different interests.
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What can we control?
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
The second one is non-exercise activity. I think in the UK, there was something that came out called the Daily Mile, where they just kids walked a mile at school. They just thought it was part of the programming. They didn't need a PE teacher, didn't need a special equipment. Anyone could do it.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
We have come to realize that the teacher, especially the primary school teacher, is really the person who we need to support more. We need to make sure that they have access, the kids are being fed correctly. Food insecurity is a big deal. Parents don't have any training in this.
Dhru Purohit Show
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We can basically come in and teach kids how to eat, what to food, how to feed each other, how to self-soothe, all those things. That can happen in the classroom. And if your teacher can teach your kid how to read, they can teach your kid how to squat. It's the same behavior.
Dhru Purohit Show
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And, you know, we engaged in a big sort of social project where we converted our daughter's elementary school to an outstanding moving school, the first one in the world. Wow. And, you know, this is almost 10 years now, you know, where... there's not a traditional desk in there. Each desk is fitted.
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And what we realized is that if we just looked at the structure of how this was working, if we made it so you couldn't drop kids off, we started a walking school bus in our neighborhood where parents were like, I don't have time to walk with my kids. We're like, great. We'll be here at the corner. There'll be two adults.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And just drop your kid off. And what we saw was that we started walking with a gaggle of kids just because someone was safe. It was easy. And we had parents come up and be like, you know, I joined you for this walk for the last three months and I lost 15 pounds. And I was like, you lost 15 pounds walking your kid the mile to school?
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So when we start to look at those structures of just, hey, let's make sure we're hitting the minimums, not let's add in a very complex PE program. Yeah, we should be teaching that stuff too. But when we just start to hit these basics, it's really pretty remarkable. If we look at school lunches, I mean, there was in Texas, I think, they were theoretically talking about banning soda.
Dhru Purohit Show
The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And immediately Coke and Pepsi came in. You saw that, right? And what I'll say is, well, what's the real problem? Is it the Coke and Pepsi? No. Well, the schools need the money. So let's go ahead and solve that problem so we can actually get some of these calorically dense, very palliative, super tasty foods out of the hands of our kids. And suddenly, I think if we just do a couple of those things,
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
and really focus on the youth. Even if it was just up to high school, we just got kids to 14 and really supercharged these basic principles and showed them how to do this. I think we would fundamentally see a generation that looked a little different.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
We just heard a story of a division one athlete who didn't know how to live independently. And the coach had to take this person to the store and go shopping. And then this person didn't know what to do. And so they actually had to FaceTime their mother to say, where do I put the food in the fridge?
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
So what we're seeing is fundamentally if people don't have access to the right position or right ideas and we don't codify it, how can we expect people to suddenly throw a hundred balls in the air around their health and fitness? It's our fault as a society. We're going to have to decide what it is we want.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And I think everyone who comes on this podcast is realizing it's really going to be a socioeconomic issue. Those who have and those who have not. And health is going to be this new issue of like, wow, I see that you had fruits and vegetables and proteins, access to those as a kid, and you did not.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And we've never met a parent who does not give a shit about their kids. Right. Their parents want their kids to be healthy and to feel good and be less bummed. 100% of parents.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
We wrote a book about running. And one of the things that we noticed, because we had school-aged children at the time, was that all of the kindergartners run like Usain Bolt. They all run beautifully. They sprint on the ball of their foot. Their mechanics are good. They're springy. And we got to first grade, and we watched at Christmas, around the holiday,
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
This is us. We're users. Okay.
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I'm still there. If you DM me, it's going to be me.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
half the kids came back and started heel striking. And so if you're listening, what that means is they fundamentally altered a running movement pattern. They went from running and landing, like if you were jumping, you'd jump and land on the balls of your feet. You wouldn't do that with your heels. And all of a sudden, half of the cohort of the kids that we observed
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
started putting their heel out to initiate a running kind of position. So just so everyone knows, if you take your shoes off and go run, you cannot run with your heel slamming into the ground. You'll immediately get feedback that that doesn't feel very good. So what is it about the environment and the human interaction that changed?
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
That's like saying, okay, we're going to develop your writing skills with your right hand and halfway through your first grade, we're going to switch to left-handed writing. That's the equivalent of that. Or you've been throwing a ball with your right hand, we're starting to throw with your left hand. You'd be like, why are we doing that? That's a really interesting question.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
Well, if the whole world started to shift you into only left-handedness or left-footedness, you suddenly would say, hey, this is... Something's going on here. The environment is shaping us. And I think... When we start to view that way, we start to then, it's easier to understand the thousands of small choices that are made for us. We talk about environmental constraint a lot.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
When I was a first year physio student, I was working next to the occupational therapist and they were working with people who'd had some head trauma, people who'd had cerebral vascular accidents, strokes, and people would have a more affected side and a less affected side.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And they would come in and what they would do is if your right hand was your dominant hand that was less effective, they would actually tape an oven mitt to that hand so you couldn't use it. And they would force this other hand, the more affected side to do all the work. And so that the brain had to work and learn how to reuse that sort of injured side.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And I came home and I was like, Juliet, I think I found the key. I have to get all the cookies out of the house, then I won't eat the cookies. Like this is environmental constraint.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And suddenly that idea of how the environment is shaping us in hidden ways really started to become clear to us, especially when we started owning a gym and started becoming really the touch point for so many people's wellness and fitness. We realized that so much of what we needed to do to actually help people
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
engage with health, engage and control their lives was really about how they were being shaped by their environment. So if you and I all sit down and the only place for us to sit culturally makes sense is a chair, that's what we're gonna do. And not that sitting is bad, but the idea is if this is the only option I have, that's the only option I'll engage with.
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The Top Signs and Signals You Aren't Aging Well with Dr. Kelly & Juliet Starrett (Rebroadcast)
And now you can basically start to apply that across a thousand different variables. And we start to see it have real changes in how you move in your environment.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Yeah. Okay.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
I'm just squeezing a little bit in.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Mm-hmm.
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Having Low Levels of this Miracle Molecule Puts You At Risk of a Heart Attack. The Best and Worst Habits to Increase Nitric Oxide Production with Dr. Nathan Bryan
Yeah. Right.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
When we think about fat, we tend to focus on the visible fat that we can see in the mirror. But there's another type of fat, an often overlooked type of fat, that exists internally even in leaner individuals. Hi everyone, Drew Prode here, and today we have a fantastic episode with you with three guests that we've had in the past who are talking to us about the dangers of visceral fat.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
So for the audience that's listening, you have a before and after. It looks like they're taking about two months apart, right? Correct. And so on the left-hand side, for this individual that you mentioned, go ahead, you can describe it.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
distance running, like marathon runners, et cetera.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Next up on today's episode, I speak with Dr. Ana Claudia Rosa, who further breaks down how visceral fat is different from subcutaneous fat and how visceral fat drives the chronic diseases that we're seeing in our population today based on her beliefs. Dr. Rosa also shares about her own efforts to reduce visceral fat and make sustainable lifestyle changes.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Understanding what visceral fat is and how it develops in the body is important, but I love how Dr. Rosa takes that information and has connected it to inform her on her own personal daily habits for overall health. there's a lot of confusion about the different fats that are there. And not all the fats are created equally, right? Visceral fat is the most dangerous.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
We're going to come back to that in a second. So the subcutaneous fat, which would be part of what would be included if you got an in-body scan or a DEXA scan, to look at your body composition, which we highly recommend that people get. It's a good idea to tell you how much fat you have, and also, do you have appropriate amounts of muscle, which we'll come back to.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And bone as well, right? People look at it often to measure their body composition, but also, as individuals are aging, they might look at it to see if they're at risk of osteoporosis, if you're trying to make fitness goals. There could be a lot of reasons why you're doing these imaging scans. So subcutaneous fat, that's the fat, as I understand, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
It's the fat that we can pinch and that we sort of see. And that the fat that often when people look in the mirror, they're thinking like, this is the fat that I'm not excited about. And it's sort of like the vanity fat that's there, right? Can you share a little bit more about that?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
It's important to understand that this is much bigger than a conversation in just terms of how much fat we think we have on our body. It's about understanding that visceral fat in its own way is kind of like an organ that's gotten out of control. And that's what you're here to talk to us about.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
This is a good opportunity here before we continue. And we have so many incredible images that you've put together. This is a good opportunity here to talk about some of the basics. You know, we connected because of one of our mutual friends, who's also a colleague of yours, Dr. Shawna Mara.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And, you know, we learned a lot about visceral fat from him. As you started to go down this journey and learning about visceral fat and also starting to make changes in your own lifestyle. Yes.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
which we'll talk about later on, what have you understood to be the top drivers in this modern world that we live in that are actually leading to excess levels of visceral fat accumulating to the degree that they become super dangerous for us and promote a whole host of chronic diseases? What are the top drivers that are actually at the root and causing this accumulation of visceral fat?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
All right, newsflash. If you don't have good blood sugar, meaning if your blood sugar is out of whack, which means that your metabolic health is out of whack, you're going to suffer. It's truly one of the biggest predictors of longevity. So how do we know if we have good blood sugar and good metabolic health?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
I strongly believe that you can't manage what you don't measure, and metabolic health can be difficult to measure. This is why I use Levels, and I've been using Levels for years to track my daily health metrics and habits, and ultimately to optimize my blood sugar and optimize my metabolic health.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Levels helps me fundamentally understand how my food and my lifestyle decisions are impacting my health for the better or for the worse.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Levels is not just something that helps me optimize my energy levels during the day, but it also helps me make an investment in my long-term health because so many of our modern chronic diseases you've heard on this podcast so many times are directly linked to metabolic health, including diabetes, prediabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's disease, and so many more.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
I use Levels with a continuous glucose monitor to get my We'll be right back. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for having me. Metabolic health is about glucose, but it's about so much more. And now Levels helps you keep track of it all. This is a great time to get started.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Just like your t-shirt, which says gratitude.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Which is amazing.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Use it or lose it.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Yeah, that's well said. You know, first of all, obviously, this is the first time we're meeting in person. You had mentioned to me before that you had lost your husband. And I want to just acknowledge that and say I'm very sorry to hear about that.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And there's plenty of times in our life that we're dealing with all sorts of different things that are happening. The loss of somebody, we're getting back on track. Maybe we just discovered some information. You had shared with me when we had a pre-phone call in talking about this podcast that through the work of Sean and getting a chance to meet him a little bit and getting
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
digging into this for the first time, you started to really pay attention to your own life and your own health and start to implement some of these things.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And because you also know that different aspects of life can influence us, like losing somebody, that's the hardest thing that I could imagine anybody going through in the world is losing somebody that they love, that there has to be a sense of gentleness that's there and realizing that, hey, listen, this is about slow and steady progress.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And even sometimes the most beneficial thing that you could do for yourself is even sometimes taking a little bit of a break and slowing down a little bit. And then getting back on track when you feel a little bit more grounded, you have more love in your life, community, support, you feel there. So how has it been for you implementing some of these strategies in your life?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And what have you noticed on your journey of not just a radiologist who wants to educate people, but an individual and a medical doctor and a human being who wants to get healthy herself?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
He took care of everybody else.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Yes, visceral fat. It's wreaking havoc on our health. It's acting as a silent killer behind the surface. And as mentioned in today's episode, we have three fantastic educators who are talking to us about this subject and the dangers of visceral fat. We have Dr. Sean O'Mara, Dr. Ana Claudia Rosa and Dr. Pal.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
That getting fit and improving their metabolic health seems to be supporting their cancer journey.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And so on this journey that you're on and with all the information that you know, and we still have a few more slides that we're going to go through in a minute, but it's always nice for people to hear the human side of somebody who's an expert in this field, especially when it comes to describing and highlighting the dangers of it.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
So with how much you know about visceral fat and your access to MRI and imaging, how often Are you tracking your own visceral fat as part of this? And do you have a target number that you're trying to get to? We've shared earlier that it's just important to reduce our overall level of visceral fat, but how do you know what you're shooting towards?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
So do you track your visceral fat as an individual? And is there some sort of target that you're trying to reach as you are working on your own health journey?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
That was your body composition.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
That was three months ago. That was your first MRI that you did?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Right, you weren't implementing a lot of the strategies that were there. The world was upside down. You lost a loved one. There's a lot of things that are going on.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Right. You're doing the work.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Ah, that's so important. You know, we're recording this podcast at the beginning of the year, and it's around this time of year that, you know, mid to late January, that so many people are starting to feel like they're letting go of any kind of maybe intentions that they set. And a lot of that comes from people being so hard on themselves. There's this old quote.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
I don't know who it's attributed to. Maybe we'll look it up afterwards. It says, you know, we tend to overestimate what we can get done in a year and underestimate what we can get done in 10. So many times in this fast-paced culture, we want everything now. Why haven't I lost, let's say if somebody's trying to lose weight, why haven't I lost the 10 pounds that I wanna lose now?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Or how do I look for that quick fix to do it today or in the next 24 hours? Yes. Or what is gonna be the solution to flatten my stomach or this, the eight-minute abs that are there?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
But when we and the research around habit change and actually long-term change of habits, a friend of mine, Dr. BJ Fogg, who's at Stanford's Behavioral Lab, he is the author of a book called Tiny Habits and the Tiny Habits Methodology. And he talks about how simple, tiny habits that we can sustain over a period of time and integrate into our life through things like habit stacking,
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Those are the ways that we permanently end up getting much faster to those bigger goals because they're tiny things that we implement that can become now the foundation of how we're showing up in the day.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Right. And that's how we make progress. I'm all for total transformation for people, but it's that showing up every single day, one degree of improvement, right? from manageable strategies that get us excited, that we can sustain, that lead to us looking back a year, two years, three years, four years down the line and saying, wow, look at how much change has occurred.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
My next guest, Dr. Pal, also shares how a health scare served as a personal wake-up call and discusses how visceral fat can drive heart disease and poor metabolic health. Dr. Pal also shares why South Asians, that's the background that I come from, from India, are particularly predisposed to accumulate more visceral fat. Let's tune in. Why is belly fat so dangerous to our overall health?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Yeah, they have the highest average income per capita of any ethnic minority. And along with that, they have the highest risk of heart disease amongst any ethnic group in here in America.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Yeah, you were thin on the outside, fat on the inside.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Yeah. So that is also a lot of visceral fat. Can you take a moment to just explain visceral fat to the audience if they're just not familiar with it?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
So you combine the visceral fat along with the blood profile that you're talking about, which is essentially, you're talking about high triglycerides, right? Low HDL and elevated LDL, all signs. And if you add maybe some fasting insulin in there or fasting glucose, a sign of a metabolically unhealthy individual. Exactly. And a lot of...
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Indians, immigrants, South Asians, many people that went from eating a more traditional diet and that are now maybe immigrated somewhere and are eating more of a processed food diet are now suffering and are in that profile range, which makes them at risk for a whole host of diseases, including a lot of belly fat around their waist.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Let's talk about the basics. What are the top drivers of visceral fat and why is it such an explosion of visceral fat in our modern day society? This episode is brought to you by Fatty 15. I am so excited to share with you guys about an incredible scientific breakthrough to support our long-term health and wellness.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
How much do you think... The idea that it's genetically driven... Is it fair to say that that's a little bit debated? That how much of that is the lifestyle of the individuals? Like a lot of Indian population, they tend to be eating less protein, they're less active. We're going to get into a lot of these things here in a minute. And how much of it is pure genetic?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Is it fair to say that it could be a little bit of both?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Yeah, because all the emphasis goes into education, career, for all good reasons. And that's led to a lot of return on investment, right?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Indians, if you look at like a lot of the top companies in Silicon Valley, the CEOs, how well they've done as a society here, being in an incredible country like America and some of these other countries that they've immigrated to and being able to take advantage of capitalism, right? For a long time in India, like, capitalism wasn't capitalism. It was more like nepotism.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
You couldn't get a job unless you knew somebody. So it's great to be able to be in these countries that you can flourish. And I think people are waking up and saying that, We have a big problem.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Even though we come from this country of tumeric and all these incredible health trends and yoga and breathing, we're actually dying earlier and we're living sicker longer than many other parts of the world. And that's a big problem. We need help for everybody, but we need help in particular for the society that's completely ignored it.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
While some individuals are at increased risk for experiencing its cascading effects, visceral fat is a danger to all of us and something that we want to be paying attention to. And it's important to also mention that visceral fat can be more of a threat at various points in our life. In fact, women going through perimenopause and menopause can see a massive uptick in visceral fat.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
A perimenopausal woman has about 8% visceral fat, but after menopause, that number can triple due to the drop in estrogen levels, which keeps inflammation at bay in perimenopausal women. You can hear more about visceral fat and how to protect yourself from it in my full conversations with Dr. Sean Amara, Dr. Ana Claudia Rosa, and Dr. Powell. The links to those episodes are in the show notes below.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And as always, if you like this episode, if you love this episode, consider sharing it with a friend. You can take a screenshot, and just text it to them. Or you can grab the link if you're a little bit more sophisticated from Apple or Spotify and send it over to them. You might make somebody's day with this information and help them on their health journey. What could be better than that?
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Until next time, thanks for tuning in. Drew Perod, signing off.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
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How can you just be so... Restless? Very simple. Train your sleep and become a morning person. With the Galaxy Watch 7 or the Galaxy Ring and the Samsung Health app.
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Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And just to be clear, we're talking about ultra-processed foods? Or we're talking about, because you know, processed foods is a term can be kind of confusing to people. Some people will say guacamole is processed, right? But you're talking about first and foremost, ultra processed foods.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
But then also it sounds like you're talking about some minimally processed foods, especially when it comes to certain carbohydrates, right? Like, are you talking about like pastas and other things like that?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Yeah, and so you, just to describe again for the people that are listening on the podcast, You have a basically a series of six images and they go from week zero all the way to week 35. So this is a sequential imagery and the visceral fat here is this sort of yellow whitish
Dhru Purohit Show
Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
imaging that's there and you go week by week you go week 0 to 2 to 5 to 15 to 25 and 35 so you sequentially see and then next to it you talk about how much the amount of visceral fat is and is that in the total body or is that in the abdomen region? Like week zero, it says 5.6 pounds. Is that the total body or is that just in that area?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
I got it wrong. The pinkish was the visceral fat.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
My apologies.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Help us understand what is it and give us a few reasons why it's so dangerous inside the body.
Dhru Purohit Show
Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
And is that generally because people who are drinking more are sort of also drinking their calories, right? So they're also getting just total excess extra calories and that's contributing to visceral fat?
Dhru Purohit Show
Why Visceral Fat Is So Dangerous and 3 Strategies To Tackle It For Good
Because they see it firsthand.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
Do you know this one friend who just comes out of bed in the morning and then doesn't come out of his grin? Who is even in front of the first coffee, shamelessly well-groomed and shines around the world with the morning sun? Terrible. Disgusting.
Dhru Purohit Show
How to Manifest Your Dreams and Work Past Self Doubt in 2025
How can you be so... Restless? Very simple. Train your sleep and become a morning person. With the Galaxy Watch 7 or the Galaxy Ring and the Samsung Health app.
Dhru Purohit Show
6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
Yes.
Dhru Purohit Show
6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
Yes, exactly.
Dhru Purohit Show
6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
Okay.
Dhru Purohit Show
6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
Really?
Dhru Purohit Show
6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
6 Ways Your Diet is Making You Look Older + The Power of Sauna and Cold Therapy to Keep Your Body Young
Yes.
Dhru Purohit Show
Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Yes.
Dhru Purohit Show
Autoimmune Conditions are On the Rise — Do Food Sensitivities Play a Role? The Role of Gluten & Dairy in Autoimmunity and How to Address Food Sensitivities Starting with Gut Health
Yeah.
Diddy On Trial
Elsewhere in the ‘Diddyverse’: Jay-Z, Buzbee and Kanye
Er war derjenige, der mich mit Jay-Z vorgesehen hat. Mit Jay-Z? Ja.
Diddy On Trial
Elsewhere in the ‘Diddyverse’: Jay-Z, Buzbee and Kanye
Die Leute rund um Mr. Carter wollten wissen, was hinter den geschlossenen Türen passiert ist. Und so haben sie sie gefragt, um interviewt zu werden. Das Interview ist geschehen und die Tape spricht für sich selbst. Sie sagt, in keinem ungewissen Termin, Mr. Carter hat das nicht getan. Es ist effektiv eine Lüge.
Diddy On Trial
Elsewhere in the ‘Diddyverse’: Jay-Z, Buzbee and Kanye
Und der einzige Grund, warum Mr. Carter sogar in diesem Thema involviert ist, ist, weil sie gezwungen wurde, ihn zu involvieren, gezwungen wurde, ihn von einem Lawyer zu inkludieren.
Diddy On Trial
Elsewhere in the ‘Diddyverse’: Jay-Z, Buzbee and Kanye
They say that they have you on tape denying that Jay-Z assaulted you. Is that true?
Distractible
Illegal Advice Too
And you push the face down on it. And then you rub across it. Oh, you're going to be smooth when I'm done with you.
Distractible
Illegal Advice Too
the giant angle is the drop of the ceiling, because they shouldn't have been there yet.
Excuse My Grandma
Excuse My Grandma As We Talk Beauty, Brains, and Business with Natasha Cornstein
I am so lucky.
Excuse My Grandma
Excuse My Grandma on Gift Gifting and Navigating The Holidays Solo
Even if you're engaged or married? If you're married, well, it depends on your income.
Excuse My Grandma
Excuse My Grandma on Gift Gifting and Navigating The Holidays Solo
Okay, let's get into our questions that people wrote in. Okay. I hope it's not about my sweet potato casserole again.
Excuse My Grandma
Excuse My Grandma on Gift Gifting and Navigating The Holidays Solo
That's what you would listen to all day?
Excuse My Grandma
Excuse My Grandma on Gift Gifting and Navigating The Holidays Solo
I mean, everybody was there. I didn't really contribute.
Excuse My Grandma
Excuse My Grandma on Gift Gifting and Navigating The Holidays Solo
Yeah. And our friend...
Excuse My Grandma
Excuse My Grandma on Gift Gifting and Navigating The Holidays Solo
Well, that's what I'm telling you.
Excuse My Grandma
Excuse My Grandma on Gift Gifting and Navigating The Holidays Solo
I'm definitely aware.
Excuse My Grandma
Excuse My Grandma on Gift Gifting and Navigating The Holidays Solo
Well, that's fun. That's good. Yes.
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
Hello world, me launcher class, it's your equals. New hello world, me launcher class too. It's people, evil, zero, wild people
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
Das ist ganz schlimm. Da wollen die da 180 Euro für haben. Das ist schon runtergesetzt. 180 Euro für einen Wasserkurs? Aber hassen sie noch alle?
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
If I may introduce a band, JVM will manage it for me. Ensuring both security and portability. Then I ride my good ones and run it everywhere. With static and strong typing We'll let my programs be time-saved Garbage collection
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
Da würde ich ja nochmal Veto einlegen wollen, aber ansonsten kann ich damit gut einschlafen.
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
Was ihr hier geboten bekommt, Leute. Das ist doch mit Geld gar nicht aufzuwiegen.
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
Until we write your application the next time. Oh yeah, there I can now too.
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
An integer, foo equals zero Public rights are refrained, wrong bracket With title zero, are less than foo, a plus plus It's the out of return, hello world, semicolon If people equal zero, one people less than two It's the out of return, hello world, plus plus, number four bracket
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
I wrote my own WordPress plugin, but I've never written a WordPress plugin with so much disgusting boilerplate stuff with what you have to declare and pipapo with PHP.
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
But Neuer hat mir auch immer erklärt, was ich in Xcode machen muss, um diese Änderungen dann auch wirklich... Ihr Opa, ich helfe dir mal über die Straße.
Freak Show
FS287 Mad Internet Disease
Public static, five main, string, square, brackets, R, G, S. All the brackets. System of the print land, where programmers start.
Global News Podcast
The rebels turned rulers providing law and order in Syria
The passport being taken, the being in a house and not feeling like they can leave.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
This was their smell. And you can't talk to them. You can't reach them. They're instantly gone. They're right there. So complex and rich. And now it's this empty house. So it's this really beautiful and sad moment, as you know, she's making her way through it and seeing these totems, these artifacts that used to represent this person, and you're just flooded with memories.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
It's also worth noting the flowers outside the house. That, you know, we get to experience Joel's loss through Ellie, but there's constant hints and evidence that Joel meant a lot to this community beyond Ellie. There's this loss that other people – just of Joel that other people are feeling and the anger that other people are feeling as well.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
I don't give a fuck. You cost us time. You let them get away.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
This goes to tell our conversation of the clue chain. Yes. We get Ellie the information she needs to follow Abby and her crew back to where they live.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Well, I guess arguably the correct thing. Yeah. Because she's doing what Ellie would want her to do, which is telling her, but she also knows the consequence of giving her this information. Which, in my mind, Dina's down.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Right, because this is the thing that's great about this version. Dina was there.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
There's also a certain honor there, what Dina is doing, because Dina could have done this while Ellie was in the hospital. But some part of Dina knows it would have been wrong to go after these people without Ellie.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
I think it's even beyond smart for these two, which is like to them, it's the only real option. Of course, everyone should arm up and go after these people. They did something horrific. The big difference between Joel and every other person that died in that town, everybody else that died in that town has died by a natural disaster in a way. That's what they infected are.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
These people were done by another human's choice to torture and kill Joel. They must pay the price.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Bunch of goddamn victims. We had talked about that scene quite a bit before anything was written, and just the mechanics of that scene. And then I remember Craig sent me a draft of it. And I read it all the way through. And I got to that Seth, even before I got to the Ellie part, I read the Seth part. I started crying.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
It just hit me so hard that someone was advocating for Joel in that manner that felt right. And he was making such a valid point. And the fact that it came from Seth, it was more impactful and felt more honest because Seth has every right to hate Joel, right? Joel pushed him down, humiliated him in front of the whole town.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
But he knows what was done to Joel was wrong and the people who did it must pay or they will be next. And I love that. Yeah. I gushed. I called Craig right away and I just gushed about that scene.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Here's how I read Jesse's thing played beautifully by Young, which is it's not clear how he's going to vote. Clearly, he has attachment to Joel and attachment to the town, and he's wrestling with this idea. But he's so honorable. He tells Ellie, if you have any chance to succeed, this is what you must do. And just my interpretation, that moment, he doesn't know yet how he'll vote.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Even if he might disagree with her, he's still setting her up for success or the best version of success to make the best case. And then whatever the outcome is, that is the correct outcome.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
I know what I'm asking is a lot. I'm asking us to risk more people and resources and at the worst possible time. And I want everyone to know it's not because I want revenge. It's not. It's not about revenge. What I want is what you used to give people. I want justice. Because it's either that or we do nothing. That's what everyone else out there is going to do for us. Nothing.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
A whole world of people who won't lift a finger if something bad happens to me or you. We have a word for these people. They're called strangers.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
This episode, I find, is one of the more special in the season. It's something, you know, in the game, Joel dies, and then we have a very short period of time, because we have to get back to an action, because we made an action game, where we have, like, a sort of a wake. where you're honoring who this person was, and you get to sit with these characters who are just grieving.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
It's interesting to get the kind of varied reaction to Joel's death by people that cared a lot about him. And we have Tommy, who's Joel's brother, who we see that the opening of this episode, he's wrecked, right? He's broken by his brother's death. And he, while we don't get to see how exactly how he voted, we could probably imagine that
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And yet he respects the town's decision to not go after Joel. He's committed to this community above his own wants and needs. And he stays behind.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
All interpretations are correct, except for yours, Joel.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
I think you're right that his desire to protect Ellie probably overwhelms his desire for justice for Joel. Because that's what Joel would have wanted. So you're all right, Troy. I apologize. I think you're both wrong.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
They don't have a new goal yet. They're not doing anything other than just grieving. And this was such a great opportunity to work with Craig and expand on it in the show. We get to spend quite a bit of this episode just seeing the weight of not only Joel dying, but something that's new for this story, this version of the story is what happened to Jackson. And he wasn't the only one to die.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
So, uh, what's your plan? Go to Seattle and kill Abby. What route? Northwest. And is that all guns? Or do you have medical supplies in there? No? Well, better not land weird on an ankle or get a fever on your well-charted path. Northwest.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Yeah. If Dina got there an hour later, Ellie might have already been gone.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
There's also a few important things to note. You know, when Dina talks about, you know, she got some of the information about the WLF from Eugene. Hmm. And she thinks it's not going to be that big of a group, which she turns out to be quite incorrect at the end of the episode. But even with that, it's still an incredibly dangerous mission to go across a section of the U.S.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
A lot of people have died. The town was destroyed. The town was wrecked in many ways. And that scene that, you know, beautiful scene that Craig wrote with Tommy and Joel, I find it very moving. And I remember there used to be more dialogue there. And Craig and I discussed it, went back and forth.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
to try to find these people in the city. We don't know what's waiting for us, how many infected are going to be there, any of that. And there's two things that Dina cares a lot about. And it's not clear at this point which one outweighs the other, which is like she cared a lot about Joel and she saw him get horribly tortured and murdered. And she cares a lot about Ellie.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And she would probably die for her. That's how much she loves her. And that's why she's committed to go on this what should have been a 12-person posse and now been whittled down into two teenagers.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Yeah, you know, we show that Seth has a limp now, that somewhere in that attack on Jackson, he got hurt, probably irreparably. He's played brilliantly by Robert John Burke. And we see actually that he's the one waiting at the gate. He is the one that Dina has been talking about that's going to give them the supplies that they need to seek out their revenge, to seek out justice.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And you get the sense that if his leg was okay, he'd be riding along with them. That's how strongly he believes in it.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
But that Sarah line does bring it back to the beginning in an interesting way because there's also something lovely we would like to all believe, which is when people pass away, they are reunited with their loved ones. And the most horrific thing that has ever happened in Joel's life is the loss of his daughter.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Yeah, this is different from the game. I always tell Craig, if we're going to change something, it better be really good. This is really good. In the game, she kneels by the grave and she picks up the dirt and she touches the earth as if the dirt is some connection to him. Graves, it's a weird thing if you think about it. There's like this body there, but consciousness is gone.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
But you're somehow using this location to try to communicate with this person. There's no way to really talk to them anymore. And she leaves him this gift, these coffee beans, because coffee meant so much to Joel and became this rare thing after the outbreak to find. And we see this little smile on her face. And it's just a really beautiful moment.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Okay, but I have a stupid question. It's about New Year's Eve and, you know, the kids.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Something else that's interesting about their relationship at this point is Joel knew Ellie the most. If there's someone second to that, it's Dina. And likewise, I think if Ellie is trusting of anybody else other than Joel, it's Dina to that large degree. And they're riding into Seattle, and they're talking about, tell me about the first person you killed.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Okay, well, the first one's too fucked up, but I can tell you the second one. I accept.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And it's important who Ellie says because the first person that Ellie actually killed is Riley. Right. And she does not bring that up because that is too soft of a spot for her.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Because we don't know yet. I told you the reason we're going.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
The prophet? She's been dead 10 years, Constance. I wouldn't count on her to help.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Well, she is in a way. When we're working on the sequel, Last of Us Part II, with each group, let's go even back to season one. With each group, we wanted to represent a different way of survival. The whole planet has had a traumatic moment with the outbreak. And now you have Fedra has decided to deal with it by imposing martial law, removing voting rights.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And that's how they protect their people. That's how they save them. We saw Kansas City was another version. They overthrew Fedra. They were hunting people down. Again, they didn't quite have the rule of law of Fedra. And we'll get into another group that's similar to that.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Then we had David's group, which, again, we saw a hint of like, OK, here is like a religious fanatic and how he leads his people and ultimately leads them to cannibalism. And we were very curious about what if we leaned even more into the religious aspect? What if, like, in the outbreak, a different kind of religion arose?
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
There was some leader that, through their scriptures, through their teaching, through their philosophy, was able to protect a large group of people. And then, like many cults that often become religions, those ideals then evolve and change and have turned this group that refer to themselves as the Seraphites.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And they have certain rituals, which is why I see the scars across their face, which is why they dress the way they do. They're sort of Luddites, it seems like. They're carrying bows and arrows and hammers, as you said. But we'll get to see this other group that has survived through their belief system that has kept them alive. And that's why they lean so heavily into it.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
It's also important for the viewers to pay attention to how you're viewing all these bodies. There's constant violence and conflict in this show, but there's something about seeing the dead kid that makes you judge whoever killed him immediately. What kind of group would do this?
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Would murder this innocent child that was just, to Craig's point, just asking all these innocent questions and is filled with curiosity about this world.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Yeah, it goes back to what Craig was saying earlier, is we wanted to buy time. And every one of these scenes, you know, in the game, it was more just about Joel and Ellie and the impact of Joel, because whatever attacks happened in Jackson didn't happen in the same exact moment. Here, there's this interesting back and forth where it's like, we're with Ellie.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
As an audience, we're rooting for Ellie because we know her, but we can't help but notice all the chaos and mayhem around her. Whatever is happening to her is happening to a lot of other people around here.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And this is also starting to plant some seeds that when you experience such trauma, this is something we also explore in the game and that Ellie Gross was largely responsible for, is this PTSD, this idea that this trauma just keeps recurring over and over and over and it's so hard to move past it. And this is the first instance where it's happening to Ellie.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
But we get the sense that, yeah, this is not something she's maybe will ever shake.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
We had this shot in the trailer where she's screaming in this particular moment. And it speaks to how well she's performing here that everybody thought, oh, this is the moment of the event. Right. This is the moment where Joel dies. And in a way it is and in a way it isn't, right? Because it is happening again in her head. But that's not the exact moment.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
When I got home, he was on the porch, and I should have talked to him, but I didn't.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Yeah, of course. But your final moment with someone doesn't define your whole time with them.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Fucking Seattle. Pretty. Plus, no one's shooting at us. Because there aren't that many wolves.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And Gail is incredibly intelligent, like Ellie, like Maria. And I guess like Maria, she knows Joel has done horrible things before he came to Jackson. He might be a good guy now, but he wasn't always.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
Well, just think about how many final moments Ellie's already had. The moment with Tess, the moment with Riley, the moment with Henry and Sam. And those relationships meant so much more than those awful last moments that in order to convince someone of a lie, you have to tell them some truth. And Ellie is very, very smart in that way, in the way she's talking to Gail.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And it's interesting because there's a few lies throughout this episode that Ellie does. And we see that she never quite lets anybody in the way she's let Joel in. And that's why that loss is so impactful to her.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
I remember making that sequence. I remember working on that sequence. It's a level in the game. And just like the TV show, we have to be so economical. We show you these glimpses, and it's just enough to work your imagination so you can fill in the rest. You don't actually get to see Joel's funeral, but you can imagine it.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And there are certain senses that you don't have that, you know, this was put in. I actually don't even know the source of this, but I just know one of the animators put this in. They're constantly like pitching stuff to me of like what should go in the game. And there was this particular instance of someone had this idea that Ellie should smell Joel's jacket.
HBO's The Last of Us Podcast
Episode 3 - “The Path”
And it was so powerful because there's something about that sense of smell that just immediately triggers your memory. And then to see it honored in such a way, and again, just with so many praises we could throw at Bella, but it just feels so believable that there's this loss and... You get these glimpses of this person. Oh, they wore this thing. They held this thing. This was their weapon.
I've Had It
New Year, Same Us
Kylie, who's next? Up next, we've got Mackenzie J. Jen and Pumps, I am coming at you from Wisconsin, and I have absolutely had it with getting up to the goddamn register and the cashier asking, would you like to donate a dollar and join the fight to end cancer with the American Cancer Society? Then I look like an evil bitch saying, you know, no, no, thank you, not today.
I've Had It
New Year, Same Us
I mean, this literally just happened to me. I'm at Walgreens and the kid behind me says loud enough for everyone to fucking hear. He looks at his mom and he says, I hope you choose to donate, mom. Then I feel the need to defend myself and like, you know, no, I do donate and whatever.
I've Had It
New Year, Same Us
But it's just like, you know, I would have loved to look at him and say, you know, fuck you and fuck Walgreens corporate and all of their goddamn tax write offs. Yeah, I have just absolutely had it.
I've Had It
Not Thankful for Phil
That is fucked up that neither of you ended up with gay kids. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't thought about that. That would have been perfect.
I've Had It
Not Thankful for Phil
Yeah, and if Pumps doesn't think it looks like a dick, it doesn't look like a dick.
I've Had It
Not Thankful for Phil
The patron saint of lesbians. The patron saint of lesbians. I like that. I like that.
I've Had It
Not Thankful for Phil
And the pantsuits alone would be worth it. The pantsuits alone. Yeah.
I've Had It
Not Thankful for Phil
I also have an email from a listener. Okay, let's hear it. This is something we haven't talked about. This is something that affects me personally. It's from Jenna, and she writes, I've had it with Friendsgiving. It has become another fucking holiday in itself. Is Thanksgiving not enough? Do you all have to deal with this at your prime age?
I've Had It
Not Thankful for Phil
But do you have to do this, Kylie? Every year, someone wants to host the Friendsgiving. I have to cook. You have to bring something. It's just a second Thanksgiving. Okay, I have a question. Yeah.
I've Had It
Not Thankful for Phil
Yes. My friends listen. Do you notice she's whispering? Because they listen. No one can hear you if you whisper. I know. It feels like they can't hear me. Are they lesbians? Yeah, and it's like, I get it. Gay is your chosen family. That's great. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. It's a hassle. I hate it. That's a thing.
I've Had It
Not Thankful for Phil
What's next Kylie. Okay. I've got a five-star review and it's titled. Thank you God for this pod. Five stars. And he writes, Yes. Yes. They will forever be famous. I love them. God is a woman and it's mommy JW and mommy pumps. I just, I couldn't love that.
I've Had It
The Stupid Era
That's a touche. That is so good. I mean, that's really, really, that is a troll that I can get behind. That is so good.
I've Had It
See You Never
Hello, Gen Pumps, Kylie. Love you all. As a preface to this, I've had it. Over the past couple of years, I have infiltrated a handful of neighborhood Facebook groups that I have never and will never be a part of, but I like the content they provide.
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Anyways, what I've had it with, with all of these groups, are the people that are trying to sell their homemade goods by means of Facebook Marketplace or these neighborhood groups. It might be holiday treats or
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homemade desserts or like full meal plates but number one if i have to read the caption of your posting to figure out what the pile of substance is in the photo that you are trying to sell that's an issue number two i think these people forget that in the background of all these photos of whatever it is they're trying to sell that you can see their kitchens And the floor is nine out of ten times.
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The floor is unswept. There is garbage everywhere. The counters have not been cleaned in days. And the amount of unfinished dirty dishes all over the place. I'm sorry. I have a queasy stomach and general distrust of people. And this might be the reason why. Anyways, it's heinous. I've had it. Stop trying to be Martha Stewart.
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The only thing you have in common is that you should also probably do a stint in jail for this behavior. Anyways, talk to you all later. Goodbye.
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I mean, it's this story right here, this sentence where went from a reasonable conservative into a full-blown Trump cult member. That has happened to millions of Americans across the board. And you especially see it in leadership. And you see these men that have literally been castrated by Trump. I'm looking at Ted Cruz, who Trump said, your wife is ugly and your dad killed JFK. Total lies.
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Ted Cruz stood on the stage at the RNC practically in tears saying, God bless Donald Trump. And then you have J.D. Vance, who had crystal clear clarity at some point about Trump. And then you have the Doge dork that was recently fired because an old Twitter account surfaced where he is just an extreme bigot. And he had tweeted things like normalize Indian hate. Well, listener, J.D.
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You know, the elevator one, I think that's kind of weird. The vet office, I mean, you know, everybody has to go to work. 40 hours a week, a lot of times more, and they're grinding. And I kind of like that that lady was just so uninhibited that she was just belting it out at work. I kind of envy that. Like lack of inhibitions? Yeah. Just like, I'm here, I'm singing. Yeah. She's making lemonade.
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Vance's wife, Usha Vance, is Indian. They have three kids. So by my calculations, J.D. Vance's children are 50% Indian. Wow. What does J.D. Vance do? He gets on Twitter and says, we should hire this person back. We shouldn't ruin somebody's life over things that they put on social media. So he has an Indian wife and three Indian kids, and he's so castrated by MAGA. I mean, completely neutered.
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that he cannot stand up for his wife and kids. And that is just unbelievable to me. So this lady's thing here, this doesn't surprise me one bit because you see all of these so-called Christians that talk about, oh, what would Jesus do? When I walk down the beach, it's me and Jesus. We're BFFs. And then they are all chips in on the richest man in the world, Elon Musk, and
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taking food and life-saving care from the poorest children on earth by canceling USAID. And it's just amazing to me how morally compromised Trump makes people and how they just immediately acquiesce to it. And the only thing I can think of is, you know, probably these people are broken a lot to begin with, but Trump has given permission structures to all of these people who I think are
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are just as a default setting pieces of shit. And maybe their religion or their marriage or something was some form of a mild mitigating factor in it that kind of kept all of their shittiness at bay. And then Trump comes out and he's like, yeah, grab him by the pussy. Let's fucking go. And they're like, fuck yeah. We can be out of the closet, pure, unadulterated, racist pieces of shit.
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They like it. It is. And here's just an aside. Like, This guy's almost 80, okay? And he's a billionaire. And he's like avoided incarceration. And there's no question he should be incarcerated. And he spends his time, his spare time, like he's upset about 60 Minutes and Kamala Harris. He's upset about Taylor Swift. He's upset about all these like super petty things that like –
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when you're younger and you're in high school right and early days of college that kind of would really get under your skin but with age you realize what other people think of me doesn't matter right i don't care i can't control that and you get healthier and better and better not this guy no it's worse and it's just amazing to me that he's never checked within the party like on all of these white crusty ass white men that's what i've had it with
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Crusty ass white men. You see him do the show and tell with his executive orders and you look at the people behind him and it's just this crusty, gross, white, whiteness. These white men. And they just, they don't check him at all. And it's, to me, they're, they are all just the biggest problem. group of castrated, no penis, no dick energy, not even little dick energy, zero dick.
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I'm kind of for her. The elevator, like you were in a uniquely hostage style situation where it sounds like that person was somewhat of a sadist. Yeah. The vet person, I'm kind of for her because it sounds to me like she's just like, I'm at work. There's nothing I can do about it except for try to make the best of this. And it sounds like that's what she was doing.
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Because even a small penis person would stand up and defend what's right. This is no dick energy. There's zero dick energy in this.
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I don't know. I just came up with it. Kylie, what's going on with our podcast on the internet?
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Oh, my God. This is what I needed in Trump's America. Okay. You've officially been asked out twice. Recently? Yeah. We have the guy that wants to take you bike riding in New York that came to our show. Right. The DJ. DJ. I think his name is DJ and he is a DJ. Okay. Okay. Right, Kylie? Yeah. Okay. Now we have a French teacher. The plot is thickening and I am sat. I am here for it.
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Look at your face. I think you should do back to back. I think you should go out with one one night, one the next, and then sit down at this table and just spill the tea.
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Why won't you do this for us in Trump's America? Do you know how the suffering and our listenership right now? We don't even know where it is. Does that matter?
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No. You know what? You're no fun. What would you do if I said, yeah, let's go. Let's fucking go. I would get out my laptop. I would book the ticket. I would book your hotel. Then we would start shopping for your dress. I would be superb. I would be A++++.
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At the end of it, you would say, I never could have done all of this without Jennifer because she just took the bull by the horns and helped me get to that prom to meet my soulmate. And now I speak French. Je parle français.
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And that's why her coworkers were just like, yeah, Shirley likes to sing and we just let her do it.
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Okay. First of all, I love Kendrick Lamar very much. And believe it or not, listener, I know all about the diss tracks because I have two sons. And in order to have a relationship with my sons, I have to be interested in what they're interested in. So I know all about NBA basketball. And I know all about the diss track between Kendrick and Drake.
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And here's just a few things I have to say about the Super Bowl. Number one, each team got to pick what they wanted their end zone message to be. And the Philadelphia Eagles chose end racism to be at the end of their end zone. And then dipshit Donald Trump, who wants to make the government more efficient, decided that he needed to go to the Super Bowl.
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And the reason that he's the first sitting president to ever go to the Super Bowl is because when the president goes places, it's a nightmare and it's expensive because you have to have beefed up security. You have to have everybody that goes in go through extra, extra, extra, extra layers of security. It's a nightmare. It costs the taxpayer $15 to $20 million.
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But this dipshit has to go because Brittany Mahomes... The wife of the quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs is a big MAGA thumper. And I hate her. And I want that in the permanent record. So he thinks he has to go and grandstand. So the minute he announces he's going to the Super Bowl, what does the NFL do? They take away...
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the end racism message that the philadelphia eagles got to pick to go in the end zone because trump is so thin-skinned and so easily triggered as are his supporters that they can't see a message that should be a foregone conclusion right you shouldn't even have to say it we do need to end racism and i also want to point out that
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basketball, NBA, these sports are dominated by black Americans, disproportionately so. Disproportionately. And so you don't get to cherry pick when you're into black culture and when you're not into black culture because that's one of the coolest things about the United States is that diversity. That's right. And that we have such a fabulous...
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mixed population and black people actually have culture. That's right. And part of that culture that rolled out was Kendrick Lamar. I thought he was amazing. A lot of you probably don't know. I'm a huge tennis person and Serena Williams used to date Drake. Drake does Serena. Serena and Kendrick are both from Compton. So she gets out there and does the Compton shuffle.
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And I just thought it was all great. Now listen, You don't have to like rap and you don't have to like Kendrick. I don't really like country music. It's just not my thing. But it's not going to ruin my entire life.
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It was. I think there's a whole weird psychological experience and experiment that goes on in elevators. It is just sometimes you have people that stare at you. All of the most awkward interactions I ever have are in elevators. And elevators are just really weird. Yeah. I've had weather conversations in elevators more than once. That doesn't surprise me one bit. Yeah. All right.
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ruins drake and the diss track just pops up it goes super viral so it was like is he gonna do it at halftime is he gonna call out drake and he did it and so of course donald trump packs his toys up and leaves at the end of the third quarter and poor claire's co-workers want nickelback i mean come on come on it's not 1990 and it's just you know people white people are so
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gross when it comes to black people. It's like, play your sports, score your touchdowns, shoot your basket, Serena, win grand slams. But when any other part of your culture comes in, you're DEI and we don't want any part of it. And it's just, it's gross. It's really, really gross. And I just want to point it out for the permanent record
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that all the white house all of the wealth that early american white families have all of that labor all of that stuff was done by black people and they have a rightful place in the society and you don't have to like kendrick lamar and you don't have to like black music but
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I'll tell you what, I personally like black culture a million times more than I like white culture right now because they fight for everybody and everybody has a space there except for crusty, racist white people.
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You know, this is such bullshit where it's like bring masculinity back. Masculinity has gone nowhere. If you feel like providing space for other people in leadership positions diminishes your masculinity, you never had masculinity to begin with. And so, and I agree with the caller, Mark Zuckerberg, when I see him, I just don't like think, Oh, God, what a man. What an alpha male.
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I think he's kind of a geeky, nerdy tech guy. But you know what? Here's the thing. I have space for all different types of men in my brain. This idea that men can only be a certain way or that women can only be a certain way is just such antiquated knowledge. low information, low hanging fruit, low IQ mentality. I mean, it's just, it's so ridiculous.
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And the fact that they want to jump back into these gender roles so big, it's like, listen, Mr. Masculine, we all know you probably can't get it out. Right. We all know your wife hasn't had a real orgasm with you throughout the entire course of your relationship. You advocating for this imaginary masculinity is not going to fix your issues.
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Let me tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with the growing prudeness of MAGA. And now they have proposed in two states two new laws in Ohio and I believe it's Mississippi. Conception begins at erection. Yeah. Are you serious right now? Yeah. Conception begins at erection. And they want to control that semen can only leave the body when it's going to fertilize an egg.
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It's just the most masculine people that I know, like that when you meet them are really alpha masculine. have zero issue with having friends in the LGBTQ plus, have zero issue with their wives having careers. And I mean, these are men who like from first appearance, I'm like, wow, he's kind of a stud. Like my stereotypical projection of what the, you know, idealized masculine man is.
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The ones that I personally know that are like that, that have that, uh, affect physically are like some of the coolest people I know. And then some of the twerpiest little guys that are talking about masculinity all the time and try to project all this masculinity are thin skinned, insecure homophobes that probably have, you know, porn addictions and whatnot.
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I have a hilarious story to share about power dads. So when I, Pumps and my kids. So when her daughter, her second child, Emily, and my oldest child, Dylan, were three, they joined a T-ball team. And Angie's ex-husband was the coach. That's exactly what I thought. He was the coach of the T-ball team. And I start getting these emails. And I want to remind you, they're like three and four years old.
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I mean... they do not know what t-ball is they don't know come here from sycam i mean we're talking about toddlers the most incompetent portion of the population so i'm going into this thinking this will be funny right they'll run around and it's an activity so they're not torturing me all the time well this is not the way angie's ex-husband looked at it i started receiving an onslaught
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of emails in my inbox that were seven, eight, nine, 10 paragraphs long in detail about the practices, about uniforms, about snack time, about the strategy, about all of these things. So I call her up and I'm like, have you seen this bullshit that your husband is sending out? And pumps, it's like, if she doesn't want to know about anything, she just can like, She says, no, I won't even read it.
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I don't care. I don't want to know. And I'm like, oh, no, I have to do a dramatic reading. You've got to hear this. So in one of the emails, he goes into this specific paragraph about – and mind you, this tea ball starts in the summer. And in Oklahoma, it is 195 degrees, 100% humidity in August. It's miserable. Right.
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He recommends that the kids wear long sleeved pants and long sleeved shirts so that when they slide into a base, they're three.
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I want to remind you, this is the most incompetent sect of our population. So that when they slide into a base, that they don't get scuffed up. And Angie and I are both dying laughing, but it was a power dad. Yeah, that's exactly.
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So my second son, Roman, he's played basketball his whole life. And Josh, I think, maybe played one season of basketball in high school. That's it. And so he's in the throes of his basketball season right now. But when basketball's over, he signed up for tennis as his spring sport. And Josh has been a lifelong, very good tennis player, like was ranked in the state when he was in high school.
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Yeah. I mean, like he's a very, very, very good tennis player, knows all about it. And so I was talking to Roman about it and I was like, so do you think you can actually play these matches? He's like, well, I play with dad all the time. I mean, I'll need to get some lessons, but it's my senior year and I'm not doing this to win, et cetera. He said, but here's going to be the problem.
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And I said, what? He said, all these years, my whole life. Dad tells me what to do basketball wise. He talks about it nonstop strategy. I don't even listen to him because he has no idea what he's talking about. He literally knows nothing, mom. He knows nothing about basketball. And everything he tells me is so stupid. It's so easy to tune him out because he's dead wrong.
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But when I start playing tennis, I'm actually going to have to start listening to him because he does know. Yeah, he does. But I have to say, Collar, Josh is, he is a power dad.
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We have been to these games, like when Roman plays, when he played AAU basketball, where Josh got, I mean, almost in fistfights with referees. Yeah. Like this one referee, Josh is like, that's a terrible call ref. Yeah. You're horrible. You're horrible. The ref turns around and he's like, when this game is over, I'm taking the shirt off and I'm taking you outside and I'm kicking your fucking ass.
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And I'm watching him like, that probably is a pretty good idea. Right. Josh probably does need to have his ass kicked.
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Just awful. And they're like in fifth or sixth grade. Yeah. And so then I have it on video. The ref takes his, you know, his jersey off and tried to kick Josh's ass, but some other dads intervened. But no, power dads are a problem.
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So procreation only. Yeah. Yeah. And so here's my thing. Like, everybody's doing all this weird shit in Trump's America. And I'm all for if they want to regulate the uterus, then I think we should, you know, tip for tat and say, okay, let's regulate the penis. But I just think that we have this growing...
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No, she's right. Power dads, when it gets to sports, are every bit as bad as the power mom with the baking.
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you will know you will know but more than you knowing it everyone else everybody will tell you that right right you don't have to tell everybody because they'll already know all right i think that's all we have i have we have some uh news okay we started a sub stack you did we're trying to figure out how to do it yeah i was going to ask you for some help later today and so we're going to be posting on sub stack you can go subscribe there we have a patreon you can subscribe there
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Substack will be more political. Patreon's more goofy. And then we have a book that is coming out that you can pre-order. It comes out the end of May. And there is a link on YouTube where you can pre-order our book. Is there any other items? Not that I can think of off the top of my head.
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That's it. That's, that's. Caw-caw. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.
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concern in america where everybody keeps scapegoating all of these ideas is it sex is it immigrants oh it's these gay people oh my god these drag queens you know and they just go on and on and on when all when in all actuality the problem is that you have a massive wealth disparity right And so they scapegoat all of these things.
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But I'm just so mystified that you get elected and you can actually go and enact change. And the change you want to enact would be something that goes on in private in people's bedrooms.
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Pardon the pun here, but I'm sure that all of these porn watchers have found a reach around. Yeah. Yes. I mean, don't think for a second that some Pornhub addict in Oklahoma has been deterred and that they're not still actively watching porn, because I guarantee you all of the elected MAGA politicians at the state capitol, if we were to see their Google search history.
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and even the private, especially the private, Google search history, it's no good. And I guarantee you specifically, Ryan Walters and listener, Ryan Walters is the superintendent of school. And he sits in his car all the time and talks about Sex, gay sex, porn, drag queens, trans people.
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I've never seen somebody that is not an LGBTQ plus advocate speak so much about gay sex and porn as this man does. And he's the same guy that bought the Trump Bibles to put in Oklahoma classrooms. And so, I mean, there's just no question that these MAGA politicians that are obsessed with sex, it's all they think about. It's all they think about. And maybe they can't do it very well.
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Oh, I mean, there's no question. No question about it. I mean, I'm just so happy to know that when we have all of these issues facing, you know, our country and humanity as a whole, the one thing these dipshits are trying to regulate is the one thing that we are genetically encoded to do, which is reproduce, which tells you how stupid, how breathtakingly stupid these people are.
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Welcome to I've Had It. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie. All right. I have a couple of news stories I'd like to share. And again, I just want to point out that sometimes we hear it, I've had it. blow the whistle, and then the research follows. So here's a headline right here. Couples who buy expensive wedding rings are more likely to divorce sooner.
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A study by economists from Emory University examined over 3,000 US adults who had been married and found a correlation between higher wedding expenses and an increased likelihood of divorce. Specifically, couples who spent more than $2,000 on an engagement ring were more likely to divorce than those who spent between $500 and $2,000.
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The research also suggested that extravagant wedding costs overall were linked to shorter marriages, possibly due to financial strain leading to marital conflict.
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Yeah. I think that we need to normalize courthouse weddings with 10 to 15 people. Cute outfits, not over the top extravagant, but I mean, look good. Look good for your day. But I've said this before on the podcast, and I'll say it again. I've been to like two in the last five years, really big, highly produced weddings, both couples. were divorced, I mean, within two to three years.
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I think that when you put... I just think when you're entering something that has a 50-50 success rate, right, you have to be smart enough to say... I am not going to invest considering this has a 50-50 success rate. I'm not going to invest a whole lot on this.
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And so I would advise the women because where we live, sadly, a lot of people still adhere to these traditional gender roles where the parents of the bride have to rent the bill. And so I would say brides, have your parents write you a check for the expense of the wedding. Put it in your name and your name only. Invest it.
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Ready? One, two, three. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Here we are in Trump's America, the rebellion, the resistance, and we're just gonna keep fighting, aren't we, Pumps? That's right.
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Don't ever tell your significant other that you have it until you've been married like 30 years. I mean, until you know there's sweat equity, there's time equity. Otherwise, keep that money to yourself and always have an escaper out.
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Yeah. All right. Next up, we have men with beards may be more stable romantic partners, study says. Men with beards aren't necessarily out looking for a new partner, just keeping the one they have, according to a study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior.
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While clean-shaven men reported more mate-seeking motivation, men having more facial hair reported less mate-seeking motivation, but more mate retention and kin care motivation, reported the study, which looked at 414 men, aged 18 to 40, and examine their facial hair enhancement motivations. The findings, bearded men are in it for keeps.
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So I have to say, Josh has been a much better partner since he's had a beard. This is just anecdotal evidence. I mean, granted, you know, when he shaved all the time, he was also battling a massive drug addiction. But it's kind of like when he let the beard come in, he has been a much better mate.
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Yeah. I think that this article is talking about because beards are so popular now. I mean, I think you have the ZZ Top beards, which I think universally we can all agree are unattractive. But now you have across all age groups kind of the GQ beard where it's a little bit more – And I think that's what that study is referring to is just because beard culture has definitely made a comeback.
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I think the ZZ Top beards have always been unanimously disgusting. Yeah. Listener, this may come as a total shock to you, but Pumps and I have not always been this pulled together and rock solid. In fact, we used to be rather screwed up when you say Pumps. I would say damn near psychotic. Totally. And we have written a cell phone expose. One could even say it's a manifesto.
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And the book title is Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches. In all sincerity, we share a lot of our struggles that led us to this grand stage where we can talk about petty grievances. You can click the link below in the show notes to pre-order your copy now. Okay, here is an article from Reddit. My husband's Trump obsession has turned our home into a MAGA shrine and I'm losing my mind.
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I never thought I'd be posting here, but I desperately need to vent. My husband of 12 years has transformed from a reasonable conservative into what I can only describe as a Trump cult member, and it's destroying our marriage. Our house has become a literal shrine to Trump. I wish I was exaggerating.
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There's a six-foot Trump cardboard cutout in our living room that he talks to every morning like some sort of religious ritual. Our walls, once decorated with family photos, are now plastered with Trump flags. He even replaced our American flag with a Trump 2024 or death banner. I mean...
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Blocking your mom: why adult children are going no contact
I've been happily estranged from my mother since March of 2010. I've recently become estranged with my parents because I am in a relationship with a woman.
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And you're so sad even though you know that nothing was being added to you by the relationship. And you know that they're never going to accept you for who you are.
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He will be mine. He doesn't have a choice.
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I get everything I want because that's just the way it is. Things are always working out in my favor. I am so lucky.
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Is Hollywood soft censoring Palestinian art?
I'll just have to say this game is rigged if there's no questions about House of Gucci. I mean.
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Is Hollywood soft censoring Palestinian art?
Right, right, right, right, right. Documentaries can be dangerous, and especially if they are exposing prevailing systems that are still happening. So we take, for example, Blackfish. SeaWorld tanked after Blackfish. I remember that.
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Is Hollywood soft censoring Palestinian art?
Being able to tell a full story from this village where this community in Masafaryata is resisting the demolition by building their homes every night after it's been demolished. And that's interpreted as a threat.
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Is Hollywood soft censoring Palestinian art?
The fact that we get to see that kind of resilience, you know, in the U.S. as we're talking about this, this is where we are. Our tax dollars are underwriting this kind of violence. So making those connections is dangerous because we can demand that they stop.
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Is Hollywood soft censoring Palestinian art?
They can argue the money point because we do have a disintegrating film industry, streaming industry. However, Netflix unloaded 24 Palestinian films not too long ago from their collection and
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Is Hollywood soft censoring Palestinian art?
Yeah. So it would lead people to be skeptical about that argument when it comes to a film that has a Palestinian, this is the first Oscar to go to a Palestinian filmmaker. That's also really important to know. So I am shocked that it's won an Oscar. I am not shocked it doesn't have distribution or that soft censorship might be the part of the play on this.
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Is Hollywood soft censoring Palestinian art?
Yeah, I think an important point, I did this report called Huck in Hollywood, which is 100 years of representing Muslims on TV and film in Hollywood in general, is that moment after September 11th, is actually a part of a long entrenched history of embedding in our psyches this notion of the Palestinian, the Arab is the terrorist. Like really popular thrillers like Executive Decision, True Lies.
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Is Hollywood soft censoring Palestinian art?
I mean, there were three Delta Forces. I don't know why. I couldn't even tell you what one Delta Force is.
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Me either. Yeah. Chuck Norris on a hijacked plane. Of course, we know who the hijackers are.
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Yeah. It's I mean, like the most classic cartoonish stereotypes you can imagine. And then what made it more surprising was there was this emergence of prestige terror films as we had the Hurt Locker. The Oscars and the Emmys awarded these type of shows. You know, this genre is not popular anymore. What they are interested in, there's incredible reviews for Mo on Netflix. Oh, I love that show.
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And, you know, Mo was on our show as a friend of Ronnie's. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how we did it to this day, but Rami and I co-wrote an episode where we do go to Palestine. I remember. The stories we have now are really shifting because the people who've experienced those things are part of writing the narrative and doing so in an artful way.
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Documentaries are powerful and so are narrative fiction. And you see the hunger for it.
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Oh, sure. Listen, I decided when I was watching the Oscars that my lane is going to be short animated film.
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Is it A, the one of a bajillion times when she said, There can be a hundred people in the room and 99 don't believe in you.
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Unafraid to reference or not reference, put it in a blender, vomit on it, eat it, give birth to it.
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Club. Another club. Another club. Plane. Next place. No sleep. No fear.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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Kip. Kip. Kip. Which is funny, because that's what I call Kels. La Fonda. That's my nickname for her.
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It's like a greatest extreme elimination.
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That guy was the best.
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That's so good.
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You remember when I first started cutting reels and the first reel I did, every time someone said like, I added a bell.
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Yeah, La Fonda.
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Yeah, that was real fun.
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That was real fun. And then you started telling stories. You're like, I'm not going to do that no more. No, it was, you guys got, I think it was the third one I did. Josh was like, jokes played out. It's one and done. It's okay. Which was, I was thankful for it because I was like, I'm committed to it now and I feel trapped. It took so long.
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La Fonda. Hi, welcome to Rex Taekwondo.
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That was back before we cut stuff up like tight, tight, tight, tight.
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By the way, my brother Terry's not dead. He's a roofer. He's repairing stuff. So he's fine.
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He's up there. I see.
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Yeah, we're just getting new shingles.
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Cool.
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Watch anything new this week? Oh, House of David.
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Dude, so good. Excellent.
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On Prime. Have you seen it yet? No. Oh, dude. It literally is just telling the story of David. It's awesome.
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It's really good.
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What are your thoughts on it so far?
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Because it's like, that's what they did. It was brutal back then. That's what it looked like, you know? And so, like, let's represent it accurately.
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Oh, it's actually... Okay. Dude, there's a scene with Samuel in the first episode.
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Yeah.
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I literally was like... I'm going to turn this off so my kids don't watch it.
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It is embellished, I will say.
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To your point, that makes me want to watch it more because I don't want to watch another Christian network TV type show. But the fact that that stuff's there, it's like, okay, it's a believable storyline.
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Yeah, they're literally telling the story of David the warrior. And it's brutal sometimes. And it's just so fun. It's really intense.
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We're talking about House of David. They embellish it with ideas of like, They add context that we don't see in scripture. They imply that David's mom was killed by a lion, which is what we don't even know his mom is. But for the most part, it's really cool. Oh, does it?
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Yeah.
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His mom was killed by a lion?
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Yes.
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Oh, okay.
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Come on, dude. Hold on. Are you making that up? Yeah, I'm making it up.
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Okay. Anyway.
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I was questioning my entire degree.
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Something that is ultra spooky, but also so cool, is they have the Philistines going and petitioning the giants in the mountain, in the caves. Which is everything that we talk about on the show.
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That's pretty sick.
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Goliath of Gath. Yeah. It's so spooky.
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Very spooky.
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And even how it just says, and Samuel put an end to this person.
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And it's like, but how would that look like?
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What did that look like?
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Yeah.
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And it's like, oh.
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Well, the line was the Philistine king. He said, I want to speak to the giant's fathers. And the mother said, well, you'll have to speak to the gods. Whoa. Yeah. So good.
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I want to watch it now. It's very good. And then I want them to get started. So they're doing this one. I know that they had some other ones in the hopper, too, that they were going to do some other stories. But it's like, what else do we want to see that's played out like this?
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Who put this out?
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Do what?
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Who put this out?
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I don't know who it was, but I know that.
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Same producers as The Chosen.
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Okay.
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Dallas Jenkins was an advisor.
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But it's violent. That's what I think you were in the restroom. Like, that makes me want to watch it. Yeah. Because it's a believable storyline. Yeah. Or you were here and I spaced out. But either way. It's so good. Yeah. It's so good.
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There it goes. I'm warning you now. There it goes. Four times I will have to pee during this episode.
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Speaking of things that are scary. Yeah. We're driving back from. Where were we the other day that we came back home?
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Kennedy Space Center.
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That. Okay.
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That was fun.
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That was fun. It was a blast. It was all right. And we were on our street and the windows were down and a dog barked.
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Oh, my gosh.
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And Lily screamed. Like, it was insane. It was the funniest thing. We were just driving and a dog goes...
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aida keeps asking about it too mom why did you scream really i don't know why that's my that's my favorite thing to watch tucker won't bark at someone walking by until he gets to where they are at the fence and he'll run the whole yard just a silent bullet and someone will be like on their phone walking their dog and he'll that's he'll get him it's a full kick and
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That's our favorite sport at our house, right? Because Pico will be up on the porch, back porch with us, and then we have the military or the cops in training. They have to run along the back fence, and they have to do their chants and stuff. So Pico will hear it coming, and so she'll run, and she'll get to the fence as soon as they cross our fence, and all of them jump immediately. It's so funny.
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Our dogs, especially Frank, sneaks out almost every morning. Hopefully not now because I found holes in the fence, and I blocked them.
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Good.
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But we had a neighbor that texted Lily and said, I'll text you every morning when I go on a walk with my husband with our dogs. And can you please bring Frank inside? Because he always just like doesn't like terrorize them, but they have dogs and they all freak out. That's not fun. So every morning we get a text like, hey, I'm going for a walk. Please put Frank in.
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She's so sweet. I feel terrible. I want to tell her like, hey, we're going to move soon so that you can live in peace again one day.
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I promise.
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Do you guys ever do the shot callers? The little like sound one?
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We did with Frank. We need it with Dutch.
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Yeah.
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Do I like animal abuse? I still.
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Hello, PETA. We did do it, Andrew. We did it, Frank.
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And it didn't work. Yeah, it didn't work. Really? Tucker wouldn't come in for Paige. It worked for Tucker, but it's the saddest thing. We just do the beep, and he's tailed down, like, bolting for the house.
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Well, Frank is the guys you see on, like, live PD videos where they get tased three times.
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I know you got it!
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Give me another one. As a cop, that'd be the scariest thing. This is supposed to take you down. Here's my gun.
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Oh my gosh.
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Everyone's talking about it, man. Everyone's like, what's up with swole Josh? Who's that buff guy walking into the office?
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No, thank you.
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Speaking of scary too. I saw something today. It was a video about extinct animals. And it's really sad when animals go extinct, don't you think? No, it's the worst. Yeah. I'm glad this thing is dead.
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Oh, my gosh. What?
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What thing? It's called the giant Cuban owl.
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The giant Cuban owl is dead.
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I actually don't know what this one is.
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Yes. We're going to be able to bring it back though. And it's going to be a Bill Gates version. They said it went extinct around like 10,000 years ago. But it was an owl that stood, flightless owl. What's the point? But it stood four feet tall. And it was fast and it would go and chase its prey and kill it. It's a raptor. Yeah. With an owl face. That's so scary.
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Yeah, it said it stood from three and a half to four feet tall.
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Look at this one.
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Can't see it. That's so, oh my goodness, dude. That thing literally could kill a human being.
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Oh, it's a drawing. It's not even real.
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Yeah.
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Well, obviously, because it's 10,000 years ago.
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Oh, it went extinct. I thought it just recently went extinct.
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No, 10,000 years ago.
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I'm like, why aren't there any pictures of it?
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Could you, like, just imagine, because the owl eyes are huge, and they can do the whole head thing. Seeing a four-foot thing just... Dude, why isn't that in a horror movie yet? That's so scary.
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Oh, wait.
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That's the worst part. Yeah, I can't do it.
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That's Josh Hooper.
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Hello? Who's out there? Who indeed? Who indeed? Yeah. Imagine if they could fly, though, because then it would be still silent because owls fly silent.
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How little did they get when they began flying? Or is that like the grant? I don't know. Is that like, did they evolve into flight? Or is that just like a separate species?
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I don't know how they just assumed that it was a flightless bird, though.
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Or what, just of its size, I guess? What distinguishes it as an owl as opposed to another? Like, I don't actually know the skeletal structure compared to other birds.
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Wait, do the 51st date thing. Oh my gosh, wow.
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Maybe it's because it can spin its head around.
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Also, you can't say flightless bird without singing the song. You remember that song?
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I remember it.
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It was like I was a fat house cat. I'm like, what?
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The song has nothing to do with love at all.
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I know. It's like this is not a romantic song at all.
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I know. I'm a fat house cat.
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But he also talked about, I think we've mentioned multiple times, but the giant sloths. Oh, yeah. The caves, dude. He gave a better description. One, their claws, 17 inches long. Oh, my gosh.
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I mean, they were ginormous.
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They weighed the same as Asian elephants. Oh my gosh we saw a replica in England We did Think about how strong Were they I assume it was slow Well they said it was slow but it's Which again how do you know this They said that It's arm movement was quick So it could have slashed you
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Okay, Lily, relax. I'm just surprised.
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Cause like they were the ones that dug like rock tunnels. Yeah. So I'm just imagining, cause like if we were going to do that, like a hammer, you swing it fast. So it has like torque and power, but if those things were just brutally strong enough to like claws on and then like dig out a mountain.
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Yeah. Maybe it has like momentum because his arm is so heavy. So maybe it starts slow, but then it's like, um, I don't, I don't think we know any of these things speaking, not knowing anything. We were reading a story about planets last night, and we're Googling things about Neptune, and it's like it's got an iron, a stone core.
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Yeah.
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It's like, shut up. You don't know that. We don't even know what our core is.
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What if they do know that, though? Magma.
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How do they know that?
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I don't know. Maybe they've drilled far enough. I don't know.
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In Neptune?
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Josh, you just... Wow. So I've been drinking a lot of water. Yeah. And I started creatine because I heard that's really good for muscle growth, for your brain. Yep. And... It's making me pee a lot, I feel like. Yeah, yeah. What kind of creatine?
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Maybe. Possibly. Who knows? To be honest, I thought you were talking about Earth. I missed the first part. So that's my bad.
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At this point, we're just making stuff up.
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A little bit, yeah. I mean, we're at Kennedy Space Center, and they're talking about, like, all the stars and galaxies, and, like, it's one bajillion years old.
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And, like, we don't even know anything about our ocean. Like, what are you talking about? Why are you even speculating what's going on out there?
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I have no problem with speculation, or just, like, this is what we can, you know, the probability of it or whatever. It's, like, this is what we think. Everything is a fact. And it's, like, all of this is mostly theory, what you were talking about in that presentation.
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Yeah.
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It's just kind of wild how they just... Can say it's fact when in reality it's like, but we truly don't know. We don't know. Yes, there's physical evidence that we could test over time, but like we're wrong all the time. Science is wrong all of the time. That's the whole point.
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Taste it. Is it iron? What? Where? Your space stone.
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My space stone. Dude, eat it right now. Maybe you get superpowers.
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Mr. Asteroid. Just starts foaming at the mouth.
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Yum. We have a certified asteroid. Oh, what's happening? Explain how you're feeling.
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Okay. So good. So good.
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Speaking of genetic testing, did you guys hear about the woolly mouse that came out yesterday? I had that in my notes. It's wild.
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What's a woolly mouse?
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Dude, Josh is going to tell you. No, you tell it. No, I have no idea. I literally just, I was like, I saw something about a woolly, a woolly something in the news today. So I looked it up and scientists have created a new type of mouse with DNA, whatever they're doing.
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It's the company that is trying to bring back the woolly mammoth.
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Cool.
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And so they started the process with gene splitting and putting the genes of an ancient extinct animal into other animals. And so they took basically the attributes of a woolly mammoth and put it into a mouse.
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The DNA makeup.
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Yeah. And so it's now called the woolly mouse. Kind of cute.
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This sounds cute.
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Look at it.
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That looks like a regular mouse.
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Well, it has a side-by-side of what a regular mouse looks like. So long hair, very coarse, thick hair can survive in the cold longer than a regular mouse. They said that this is the first step to basically bring back the woolly mammoth. And they said that with the current, with this mouse, the woolly mouth. Mouth? The woolly mouse, that they should have a woolly mammoth by 2028. What the heck?
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I thought we were supposed to have that this year. Really?
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Got to push it back. I know, but this is like a Harry Potter series. This is terrible.
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We got a mouse. So close. They also said it's whiskers curl like the tusk.
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That's interesting. That's very cool.
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Yeah.
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So the woolly mouse. Okay. So it feels like a marketing point. Like that's a completely different part of the body. It's a really cute mouse. It looks like a little like golden retriever. I wouldn't feed that one to a snake. I would feel bad if I found that in a mousetrap.
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He's a miracle anyway, though. Well, not a miracle. He's science.
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And speaking of that, we're not going to go into all of the implications.
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I just was reading in Leviticus. I'm doing the chronological Bible in a year. And it said, maybe I'm gleaning the wrong thing, but it says don't combine animals with other animals.
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I mean, that's what they theorize that the watchers did.
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Wow. We're doing that stuff right now.
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The bastardization of creation. Yeah. What is that? Like the days of Noah. Like the days of Noah.
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What's the flavor?
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There's a listener going out to the yard with a shotgun with their golden doodle. Dang it. You were made by the darkness.
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It's just the natural. Boo, dude.
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I'm sorry, Bessie. Speaking of animals. Yeah. Have you ever heard of the Voitek bear? Voitek the bear.
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No, I have not.
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Very fun story. Wojtek the bear was a private in the Polish army in World War II. That's pretty dope.
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He's doing something so gross, too, and then he just bought, like, a humongous sack of just whey.
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Was he a person or a bear?
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A real bear.
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Was he allowed to bear arms? He was.
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Really?
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Yeah. Dude, what was his job? They actually got a bear in the military? Let me just read it because it'll be better read than me trying to explain it. 1942, Polish soldiers traveling through Iran encountered a young bear cub orphaned after hunters killed the mother. A local boy had found the cub and sold him to soldiers who adopted him as their unofficial mascot.
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They named him Wojtek, which means joyful warrior in Polish. Wojtek quickly became a beloved companion to the soldiers in the 22nd Artillery Supply Company. He lived with them, ate what they ate, including beer, which he reportedly enjoyed, and even mimicked human behavior, such as standing on two legs, saluting, and play wrestling with the men.
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When the Polish Corps was deployed to Italy to fight alongside the British Army, the Battle of Monte Cassino, 1944, military regulations prohibited pet animals from traveling with the troops. To solve this, Wojtek was officially enlisted as a soldier, complete with a rank serial number and a paybook. But basically, he carried around their artillery shells into battle.
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Plain whey. Grass-fed whey. Grass-fed whey, dude.
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So he's like a pack mule, basically. Yeah. But would carry their ammunition into battle.
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But a freaking bear, dude.
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But a bear. That is awesome. Yeah.
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No flavor, nothing.
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That is the coolest thing ever.
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And then after the war, he was retired to the Edinburgh Zoo, where he died in the 1960s. Wow. That's cool. What a cool thing to have seen him. But there's monuments of him in Poland, Edinburgh, and one other place. That's so funny. And in Italy.
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Good for you, dude. Eat like a dog. Yeah, but what are you mixing it with? I'm just doing it straight. Canned dog food. That's the plan. I haven't tried it yet. Okay, okay. So I'm probably, first time I'm going to be like, ah!
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Dude, talk about feeling safe on the battlefield. Right? Like taking a nap.
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I'm going to go take a nap right there. Or afraid on the battlefield. You're against the bear. You just look over and you just see that they've trained a bear.
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With freaking artillery shells.
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They strap a bazooka to that bear. I mean, that would be so scary.
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That bear is AI.
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See, bears are friends.
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see bears are friends i will say i've been watching a ton of hunting videos and i'm not judging anyone who hunts bears but watching a bear get got just feels weird it's like different yeah those yeah i mean that's a survival thing only i can't i don't like that trophy stuff that's for that kind of animal that's weird but on the same vein of that dude do you remember i was telling you about riot dogs
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Yes.
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Yeah, so this is a crazy phenomenon that's apparently like a worldwide thing. So there's times where, I don't know a whole lot about it, but I remember reading a little bit about how when there was protests all over the world, there would be sometimes, especially in places where they would have a lot of stray dogs, the dogs would just kind of, you know, like just be normal dogs.
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This conflict would be happening, a lot of police, a lot of military going against civilians and stuff. And over time, within a couple days of protests, certain dogs would start sighting with the protesters and actually physically attacking police officers and military officers and everything. And they would actually get in between the crowd and protect the people.
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There's even video or footage of this dog grabbing a tear gas can. Oh! And running around and dropping it off and running back and everything like that. And so it got tear gassed multiple times, this one specific dog. But it survived and, you know, everything like that. But you just go in certain places. I'll have to look up the exact name of it.
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Well, I wonder what it would be interesting to do. We're looking to, like, what protest these dogs were a part of.
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Yeah.
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What if it was, like, all PETA? They turned on him.
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This one was crazy, but they have, it's literally the other name. I don't even want to say it because it's just like rough, but it was happening in Chile. It is rough.
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But they have literally like just murals of this dog, statues of this dog because everyone knew it by name and they would, whenever you saw the dog at the riot, they would tie a little red bandana on it because they would try to take it off because the police and stuff, they would They don't want, because it was actually like helping them. It was giving them this morale boost or whatever.
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You know what I could do is I could put some peanut butter and a banana in there.
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And it was just a cool icon of, you know, justice, fighting back or whatever. Dude, dogs are the best.
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Dogs are the best.
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The best.
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Speaking of Chile, though. Dogs are angels.
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It's possible. Yeah. I don't think it is. It might be. I don't know. speaking of Chile I listen to two podcasts one Joe Rogan one Sean Ryan same guest Mike Benz and fascinating stuff Uh, I would, if you're going to listen to the podcast, I would do the Sean Ryan with Mike Benz because it's well, it's he, it's a better, um, what do you call it? Storyline. Storyline.
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Oh, peanut butter banana. Oh, peanut butter banana and whey. Oh, peanut butter banana, organic grass-fed whey. Whey, yes, whey.
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But like, cause Joe Rogan, he's just like all over. Yeah. But on Sean Ryan, he's like pretty precise with the, But basically this dude, he's a, I believe he's a journalist. I probably should have looked into that a little bit more. Mike Benz. Mike Benz. But he's done just ample amounts of research into USAID and government corruption.
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Basically what Doge is doing now, finding all the corruption and the money spending and stuff. But he's been doing it for years. And he was asked, he's like, oh, is Doge actually consulting you with this stuff? He's like, no, but I'm assuming they've read all of my articles because that's exactly who they're targeting.
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I would hope they would give him credit.
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It says he's an official with the U.S. Department of State and current executive director of the foundation as well. Okay.
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Don't make fun of me. That sounds yummy.
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Yeah. But this dude, it is the most... Eye-opening slash, you feel like we're living in a, he calls it the Truman Show. Really? The USAID, which I had never heard of the USAID until this year, truthfully. Yeah. But it's been around since the, I believe the 60s. JFK is actually the one that started USAID. And what it turned into is basically the USAID.
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No, it sounds amazing.
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I'll do it for you.
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You could call it, it's like a, it's with the cover of humanitarian, doing all this stuff for the world, economics, all that stuff. But what it turned into is basically the proxy arm of the intelligence community.
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They said... And honey. As long as you do the peck dance. Honey, I'm about to make your protein shake, but first, you know what I need.
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That's what I suspected.
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What do you mean by that? Proxy arm, meaning like so like the CIA, FBI, mainly the CIA. If they want to do something overseas, like let's say overthrow a dictator, they have to get the president's approval. They have to get the executive branch approval to do this mission.
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And if they don't get it or if they don't even want to present it to the president, they literally just walk across the street to USAID and said, this is what we want to do. Go do it. And they're like, got it.
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And they stamp it with some like crazy vague name. I don't know if you heard the speech recently that Trump gave. Yeah. It happened like two days ago. And in it, he's talking about USAID. And he's like, we just cut back. There was he was naming listing a few of these different grants off that were just like so crazy.
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And one of them, for example, was like 40 million dollars to the LGBTQ movement in this tiny country in Africa that we've never heard of. And it's like, OK, what were we actually doing there? That's what I was expecting. It's like we we weren't doing that.
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That was the joke with the millions of dollars sent to, I think it was Iraq for Sesame Street. Yeah. That's USAID. And so their hands, and Sean Ryan asked, he's like, I heard that the USAID has influence in at least 100 countries. He's like, is that true? He said, no. He said, USAID has influence on every piece of soil on planet Earth.
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Okay. The amount of creatine I'm taking is like five, is it grams, I guess?
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Oh, how spooky.
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He said they're in absolutely everything. They're doing proxy wars. They're hiring mercenaries. So like the funding of the Taliban and stuff, or yeah, it was the Taliban, how we've been sending millions of dollars to them. That was through USAID. And they're the ones that actually, the podcast is fascinating. You have to listen to it. Yeah, I definitely will. It's a lot to retain.
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It was really hard to keep up with it. But like a really great example was this happened in 2023. Actually, this article came out that the major distributor of heroin is Afghanistan because of the poppy fields. And ISIS and the Taliban, they are utterly against heroin. And so they dismembered all the poppy fields.
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USAID, they put out this article of how getting rid of the poppy fields would be an economic and humanitarian crisis to Afghanistan.
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Heroin?
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Heroin. And so if you do your research, you can find that the USAID and CIA, all these companies, they were a huge contributor in the heroin industry in Afghanistan. That's probably going to get us in trouble. But it's all out. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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um but he gave a really great example of like their influence um so it was in the 19 let's see 1970s uh chile was at turmoil they had like a i don't want to speak out of turn but like basically like a dictator yeah and they were trying to basically everything that they exported and stuff they wanted to take more control of it and
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It's a little scooper, like this big. Got it. We'll say grams. I don't know. Yeah. But they said that's equivalent to like, I think it was like 20 something chicken breasts. Oh my gosh. Of creatine. That's insane. Yeah.
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Instead of outside corporations, especially Western corporations like the UK, United States, they didn't want anything to do with them. And so they were trying to nationalize the bottle industry. Well, Pepsi had a huge manufacturing plant in Chile for their bottles. Yeah.
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And so when this was all happening of them nationalizing their own corporations and stuff, the president of Pepsi went to the head of the CIA, basically met, and the CIA, this is all declassified stuff now. No way. Because of that, the CIA formed a coup in Chile and overthrew the government.
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Oh my gosh.
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Just for the Pepsi Corporation. What year was this? 1970s. This is crazy. Why are we okay with this?
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I wonder if there were other motivators. Like, maybe these guys were bad.
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Well, I mean, it's just control, right? So, like, you take control of a country. That's wild that we have that type of power. It will make you sick. And it will ruin your paradigm of the U.S. forever. But this is what the guy was saying. He's like, what's scary is that... Yes, you see all this stuff and you see how the USAID, CIA, how they've played a hand in everything in the world.
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He said, to play the devil's advocate, the United States would not be where we're at as an economic powerhouse, as a military powerhouse, if it weren't for these people. dudes for the USAID and for the CIA and all these corporations and stuff like that. He's like, we would not be where we're at without that. We would not have the influence and the power that we have without it.
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He said that we've been doing it forever, like undercover and like nondiscreet. He said, but now that it's being brought to light, he's like, it's a little like, Oh, what's going to happen now? Cause like, he's like, think about a pencil. Yeah. He said, we wouldn't have pencils in the United States if the USAID and the CIA didn't have influence in the countries in Africa where they mine graphite.
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That sounds like too much.
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Yo, don't say that's too much when I'm going to be the biggest boy on the block. Wait, get ready for my glow up.
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He's like, because the whole import-export thing, that's all revolved around USAID and the CIA and all this stuff.
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but it's never been it's never pretty like what they're doing and how they're doing it it may be great for us but it's always dirty and yeah man that's wild so it's like you learn this you're just like this is terrible what like we should stop these guys and at the same time you're like well okay we stop them then it's just like it's easy for us we've we just we've made this like double-edged sword in the united states and it's just like well this is a real big bummer
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But it's a fascinating podcast. And this guy, he's so well-spoken. He's so knowledgeable. I never heard anyone talk about a subject, just citing articles and stuff without even looking at anything. Yeah.
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He's a genius. Super impressive.
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Consider me perturbed.
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Yeah.
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This stuff gets me so wacky.
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Well, I'm watching Elon shake in that Joe Rogan interview. I'm worried that I'm literally going to be getting killed.
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Dude, the Josh Hooper glow up is going to be insane.
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Yeah, he said, I'm not going to expose everything because it's like, I'm worried for my own life.
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Wow.
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That's the richest man in the world. Yeah. I mean, Elon is, you know, he's full of baloney sometimes, I'm sure, but that has to be real. I mean, because like you're messing with people with that much power. And not only that, like there's so much on the line or at stake for those people underneath, you know, in the deep state, all those people, they are relying that these things continue.
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And if one person or a group of people get in front of it, who knows what's going to happen?
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Dude, you guys wait. I'll do a buzz cut.
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The work that he's doing is extremely important to like what we're talking about with all this unpacking where all these dollars are going, especially because we are so many trillions of dollars in debt spending money on dumb stuff. I did hear, though, for those who get nervous about it in that same speech, he gave that speech listing off all these things that we've cut off aid to.
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And apparently he they would they were like quick they're quick to fire right just like in a business you're slow to hire quick to fire with all this aid they are open to hearing rebuttals and they have since reversed it in some cases if people are.
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You're going to change, dude. Yeah.
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Yeah, I know a big, big hiccup. I would say more than a hiccup was a lot of with the national parks and stuff with park rangers and stuff. A lot of them getting laid off.
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He's going to come back with just a goatee. Yeah.
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I heard about that. And I also heard about aid to specific vaccinations. There were a lot of people on cancer trials and they were getting this like new vaccination that was reversing cancer, which is crazy. And they'll be in the middle of this trial. They'll be like six weeks in. And all of a sudden they got this call and they're like, you're cut off. We're not doing the trial anymore.
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And that somehow had something to do with this whole USAID thing.
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yeah that's what i'm saying it's it's so like you can't just be like cut funding cut funding because like okay we've been doing that but it's like well cutting funding to let's say sesame street in iraq could impact a little town in wisconsin with something else you know like it's so deep they do that on purpose right they make it so incestuous and like and so so complicated that most people look at it and be like okay whatever let's just do it what's that what's that 40 million dollars to us anyway which is
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Wow.
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Well, it's evil. Wacky. Makes me so mad.
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What happened to the Fort Knox gold?
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Because remember, Elon, they were supposed to... They said they'd keep going. They're going to go. They're going to go. But it's like, listen, by the time you've already warned them, it's just like, hey, we're going to go over and sneak over there and check out. Like, okay, give us time. We're going to figure things out.
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Tribal tat.
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That's my whole thing with what Elon did, being scared. And it's like, dude, you made a commitment. You stepped into public service. You owe...
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What's up, brother?
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you know it's now not about you yeah it's about it's about setting a new standard this is what you get for starting off real strong at the beginning because if you could have just did this throughout the whole year i mean you probably i mean i'm glad i'm if truth is coming out i'm all for it but for him it's like the pr move would have just been leaked this stuff throughout the year so it's not i've been set the standard now you have to do better i wonder if you like winning guns blazing though and then like legit saw stuff that he shouldn't have seen and he's just like oh yeah
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Just go full California.
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Have you guys heard about 9-11?
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I don't know. Maybe we're not spending all that much. It's just a guy with a gun.
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Yeah, you're fine. You got it, right? I don't know. I think I see a gold bar back there. We're fine. We're good, guys. Cut the live stream.
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Going back to that, the first story you told, though, where you're talking about like the spending and stuff all around the world and them saying like with the fields that they needed to keep. Think about the fact that they were pushing all of that while the war on drugs was happening here and the impoverished communities that depend on the same exact substances.
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He's changed. Yeah, man, he's changed. He gets angry when he's telling every conspiracy. Just violently angry.
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Well, that's what, yeah, a big argument in this whole thing was the fact that we've been spending just... I mean, a dummy amount of money. Taxpayer money. Gazillions. Taxpayer money. Like, helping fish in Croatia. But yet, we have the Maui fires, the LA fires, North Carolina, where they get $700 stipend checks. Yeah.
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Croatian fish is delicious, but yes.
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Yeah, you're right. I take that part back. That was a bad argument.
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Dude, I'm like so mad over here. But we trust our government.
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And also, this feels like politics, but it's like, that's the thing.
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The conspiracy part was like, oh, the deep state, the deep state. It's like, okay, well, this is actually the deep state.
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These are the receipts of the deep state.
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It's like, you see what they've been doing since the 70s. No, not, sorry, since the 60s. They've been playing in this proxy war manipulation literally on every piece of soil on Earth, he said. We've been involved in USAID, CIA. We know everything. We do everything. Everything you see on the news, every war, every... what do you call it? Riot.
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Here's something fascinating. My algorithm has just been working out videos recently. Yeah, that's great. It's been good and bad. Um, but one dude I saw, he did a study in the 1950s where he noticed there's these scientists that were testing people with like burn victims or like wounds and stuff like that, that they would give them a diet of 36 eggs a day. Whoa.
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Yeah.
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Like they literally paid, the USA actually, oh, this was another thing.
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Oh gosh.
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He came out. I told you this.
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The heat is creeping up my neck.
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Go baby. He said, talking about the Ukrainian Russian war, he said, did you know that the American government, i.e. the USA, funds and owns 90% of Ukrainian news? 90? All the news stations in Ukraine, the U.S. government owns 90% of it.
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Why?
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Just why? You control the narrative, dude. That's innovation. Did you see, we're in that chat on Instagram, the YouTuber one. You see all the people from Canada tripping out right now. They're trying to move to the States because they're being sanctioned and fined and Their accounts are under the jurisdiction now of the Canadian government. They're being told to take stuff.
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There's another dude out of Europe who's over here doing food reviews, and he makes jokes about Britain. He got a letter saying that you're subject to... Basically, they warned him that a warrant has been given to... for his property research. The one where he crumples it.
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Oh, I didn't see that, but I heard the news that the UK are implementing or have already implemented that speaking out against the country will, even if you're an American and you travel to the UK, if there's something on the internet of you speaking out against the UK, you will be arrested and fined.
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Good thing I love the United Kingdom.
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Germany has already implemented that, by the way. It's against the law to online bully. So, like, what does that mean? If you speak out against someone. So, they gave a scenario, or I saw a scenario to where there was a woman who was S.A. 'd.
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from this illegal immigrant oh boy and she spoke out against this man on the internet and she was arrested and her jail time is longer than the man do you ever wonder if that stuff because it's just so grossly immoral that somebody would make a ruling like that do you ever wonder if that's a propaganda piece I'm sure. Yeah, probably. Honestly.
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Because who in their right mind would ever do that?
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That's a presumption. It's 1984, right? It's like the whole paradigm of controlling just the news and you can't speak out against the guy.
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What's the difference between criticism and treason?
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I will tell you, in Germany, there's a very fine line, if not a line at all. criticism would be considered bullying. It's subjective or it's objective, right? Yeah. You would think it's objective, but to them it's like it's a black and white kind of thing. He's like, well, you said this about this person, so technically with the law you have to be fined or put in jail.
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Craziness.
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It's wild, man.
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It is so, yeah, it's just crazy.
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And also about Jeremy, I totally forgot this.
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We got to not go anywhere!
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Did I get you?
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That was close.
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You know they say you can't get shirts anywhere. They say that ain't true.
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Yeah.
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But I heard of a place downtown. It's called Sunday Cool. The sweetest place around.
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And these third degree, third degree burn victims, they would heal completely. Yeah. So it was like a natural steroid.
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Everything you need can be found.
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Sunday Cool, I love you. SundayCool.com, I'll be seeing you soon.
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Man. What is that? Oh, it's just Magic Mine. It's my mental performance shot. I take it every day because it helps me just have a cleaner mind, healthy energy. It makes me feel good. No way. Yeah. What is it called? Packet kind? It's called Magic Mine.
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It's delicious, and I've already said it once. I don't need to say it again. Okay. It's incredibly delicious, and you should have one. Wait, is this...
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Did he stutter?
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Did I stutter? Guys, this is great that I have this. Yeah.
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Holy moly, dude.
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I didn't even know this was in my possession. It's amazing, dude. You got to check it out. It's all healthy ingredients, clean ingredients. Why wouldn't you want to have more of this? You said it's healthy ingredients? Yes! Oh.
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And so this dude was a bodybuilder and started eating 36 eggs a day. Yeah. And he looked like he was taking steroids. Just massive.
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So do you drink it?
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Wow. Pinkies out. Holy smokes. Magic Mine. I guess maybe if people go to magicmine.com forward slash ninja and you used to go ninja20 for a significant discount on their subscription to Magic Mine, you could do that? Of course they could do that. Jeez. I love Magic Mind. Thanks, Magic Mind. Thank you, Magic Mind.
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That's going to get hurt.
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Speaking of that gesture that you just made, we should go straight into my reel.
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Oh, okay.
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Oh, skipping the format. Yeah. All right. I don't know if I'm comfortable with that.
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Just skip my segment altogether.
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No, no, no. I just want to leverage the moment.
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I don't have social media again.
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The plan worked. I did download and record this stuff.
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Don't you got to do a song?
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I don't know.
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No way. But just from eggs. Bro, my biggest weight cut was 173 to 143 in three weeks, and I was eating 12 eggs a day. And I just saw another study where they were talking about if you go oatmeal versus a diet of eggs in the morning...
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Well, that worked out. Swimmingly. Swimmingly. Yes. Good throw. Oh, the wink again.
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Also, John Cena's a heel now. I just need to get that out of the way. I'm excited. Drop in the comments. It's a long story. Maybe Patreon. I'll have to explain what a heel is.
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Is it in WWE or something?
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Yeah. It's a big deal. It's one of the biggest deals of all time, actually, right now.
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All right. You ready? Yep. Three, two, one.
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Ow, my gosh!
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You're welcome.
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Oh, my God.
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That's one of the worst things I've seen on my feed in so long.
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Goodness.
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Yep. I'm shaking.
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That was so bad.
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He's blind.
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Probably. In one eye.
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I see why the winking thing. I gotcha.
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Oh, I do not like that. Sam, I am. I do not like that.
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Snowman.
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Oh, no.
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Do you want to fix my eyeball? Golly. That's the worst that I've ever seen.
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I was like, It wasn't in. It did. It went in. It did? Yes. Oh, that was. Okay. I didn't understand your celebration at all. You were very. That was you trying to be cool and calm and collected afterwards. That camera got it. Oh, yeah. Yes.
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I almost got you, dude. I almost got you on that one. You almost got me. Oh, hello. What the? That was a great video, Andrew. Thank you so much.
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I will say, before we move on, did you see that video? It was like a birthday celebration. You know, like people like shove people's face into the cake. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. With the skewer and it's stuck into his head. Oh, gosh. No, it was. I saw one where it went in the eye. Okay. Maybe it was the eye. And I tried to block it out of my head. Yeah.
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um the stomach grew twice as big while on the same caloric intake with oatmeal because sugar causes the stomach to expand and so eggs is actually or high protein was really the thesis of the study but eggs so much healthier to start your day out so there's something to it dude i tried to eat four boiled eggs the other day i think i told you did i tell you four eggs i boiled four eggs the other day and i'm like i'm gonna eat these eggs dude that's no yolk
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My leg. My leg.
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My diet doctor counts.
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Shout out Spongebob. We know you're watching, dude.
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Good. Thanks.
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All right. Okay. I have two questions.
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Let's go. They're not related at all. I'm excited.
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I think one is going to be easy to answer. I think I know all of your answers.
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Okay.
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And then the second one is more of a story time.
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Okay. Oh.
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One, would you cannibalize someone to survive on a stranded island knowing there's a 25% chance of rescue survival if you eat the corpse, but a guaranteed death if you don't eat it?
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No, I'm not eating it. I'm not eating it either. No. 25% is not enough. Who's the person?
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I don't think they have any significance to you.
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Andy, I could eat for weeks. I don't think I would eat a person. I just want to hear you affirm that you thought that would be the answer from all of us. Correct.
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I actually think that Andrew would eat a person.
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Okay.
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Hungry boy. That's it.
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I think it was bad friends. Bobby's talking like they were having that scenario. Like, would you eat me if I was like, I would. And then I would take a walk. And I realized I was at a resort. There's like a hotel. They're covered in blood. Like that'd be me.
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Okay. I want to hear your story. Did you ever get lost when you were a kid?
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Lost. I was lost once. What is that video? I lost something once.
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Did you ever get lost from your parents?
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I mean, I think so. You don't remember?
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We were in the grocery store like, Mom! Mom!
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Yeah, I think I got lost in the store one time. I can't remember. I'm trying to think besides that. Did I ever get lost?
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Do you guys remember the Disney Davy Crockett? No, I never watched it. Me and my brothers, we would, in the grocery store, we'd do that whistle. And so anytime we got turned around, you could hear a Tennessee thrush, a terrible version. That's how we knew where we were. There's a couple times where they go...
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that's awesome it's it's kind of cute whenever kelsey gets uh doesn't know where i'm at in the store like somewhere and i'll just because she's you know half deaf i'll say kelsey and she's like is she because she can't tell what direction it's coming from so she just has to turn her ear that's so funny like keep it like for a while so it's like a siren
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I got lost a lot as a kid. I have a bunch of times I got lost.
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What?
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Really? But the most significant one to me was, you know, my grandparents, they lived in Tangerine and they were not far from Trimble Park. And we went for a walk. It was like all my cousins and stuff. And my cousin was learning how to ride her bike. So they were really focused on what like helping her.
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And I turned off the wrong way on my scooter and I went to a different park that I didn't know existed. And I was there for about an hour and a half. I was like five.
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Oh my gosh. You knew you were like there. You thought you were at the right park.
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No, I knew I went to the wrong park, but I didn't know how to navigate to the other park.
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So where were you feeling?
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What was I feeling?
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Yeah, like, what were you doing? Like, what were you processing?
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I settled into my new identity.
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I started building a cab.
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I did, as a homeless person. I changed my name. And this is how I think I know I would survive on a loan. I immediately found a water source. I'm five years old.
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Well, it was on a lake.
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There was also a water fountain. There's lakes everywhere. I started building a shelter under the play set.
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You're just accepting it.
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Eventually I got excited about it. I'm like, I'm going to do this on my own. And then I hear my grandmother, Lily, Lily, from her car.
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Your grandma's British.
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Yeah.
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And she was driving in her car. That's how lost I was. They got their cars. They went back and got cars to come look for me. Help is on the way, dear. And they said, don't tell your mom. I totally told my mom.
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That's so scary. That would be terrifying as a five-year-old. I know. More terrifying as an adult, dude. There was that one time me and Austin, we were in downtown Moundora, just relaxing. We were playing pickleball, I think. And then we had our girls, and Adeline was gone. I've never seen a dad, like a man, panic like this.
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Like, Austin, we were both freaking out, running, screaming, and she was hiding behind a tree the whole time. I think she thought something was in trouble at one point because she was screaming her name. We're like, we can't find you! So scary. Losing your kid is the scariest thing.
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ate three. At the end of the third, I'm like, oh gosh. And then the fourth one I bit into, I go, you just eat them plain? No, no, no. I put stuff on it, but it's just the texture. I hate the texture.
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Yeah, we lost Ada one time too. That was so scary. But it was at our house.
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I think I've had enough mini heart attacks where it's like, where are they? It's accumulated over time. I've had a full heart attack. On paper.
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So none of you guys have a memorable time being lost? I like memorable.
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I don't think so. I don't think I've had a memorable one either. No, I'm trying to think. I don't think so. I did get lost in the woods whenever I went to New Mexico. Like we had a 24 hour solo thing. I did get turned around there, but I eventually found myself. But I was like, we're supposed to like have no contact for 24 hours.
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So I'm like, if I go missing within the first five, no one's looking until the next day. So I'm like, this is a bad idea. So I had to just like navigate before the sun went down and just go back to camp.
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I think the closest I've been to that was my first journey alone across the U.S. Yeah, to Montana? To Montana the first time. And I was in Idaho, and it was blanketed fog. Like, you couldn't see the front of your car kind of fog. Yeah. And I was driving from Colorado to Montana, Missoula, and it was like a 16-hour drive or something. and I was like maybe halfway through, and it was in a valley.
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I had no idea where I was. I had my little GPS, and then nothing, no cell phone coverage, GPS stopped working, fog, and it had to be three hours.
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The world wide web is great. The world wide web is great. But you, you make me salivate. But you make me salivate.
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You're just hoping you're going to go in the right direction.
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And I didn't pass a car for hours. See, I'd be wondering, am I moving? Yeah, and I was like, this is so, so scary. Yeah, that's eerie. Yeah, but it was fine.
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You're just going through.
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And you got there.
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I got there. You come out a different person? I did, yeah. You come out of Mel's hole?
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Where am I? I saw a dog down there.
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Okay, I have something. And it's so deep. And I was debating on talking about it because of how deep and how kind of wacky it gets. Okay. But it is also very intriguing. Give us, what is it about? Teaser. I'll just say the name of it. Okay. The Cult of the Black Cube. Oh. Better known as the Saturn Death Cult.
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Dude, we got to do those soy sauce ones.
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Oh, my gosh. Okay. I like the first one better.
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Saturn, like the planet? Mm-hmm. It goes so deep. And you could say since the dawn of man. And so I've been trying to figure out how to talk about it. Yeah. But basically, it's this theory that the global elite worships the dark side of the planet Saturn and uses occult symbols in modern institutions. And it's been going on since basically...
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I did. Oh, really?
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It's too salty.
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He didn't put sugar in it, though. If you put sugar in it, it would have been dope.
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creation yeah so it's basically started with the fallen angels and it all revolves around the god saturn And I apologize to people that are very well versed in Greek mythology and stuff. But what I saw was the god Saturn, one attribute of him is that he gave birth to all these titans, basically. And he became jealous of them that they would try to overthrow him. So he ate all of them.
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That's essential. Mirin. That's what she ate. That isn't really that healthy at that point.
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And, but this God Saturn is also the God Bale, the God Molech.
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Oh gosh.
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Um, and is prevalent in basically every ancient and modern satanic, all this stuff. So like the planet Saturn.
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Saturn is Satan.
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Saturn is Satan. They think it translates from Satan. Got it. Or vice versa. And like one thing was like the, um, what do you call it? Uh, Is it the Capricorn? The astrology Capricorn? Yeah. Which is the primary thing in that is Saturn, which is a goat. And it's like this whole weird connection. But the black cube, I'm like, where does the black cube come into this?
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It's just oatmeal eggs. That's at that point. Sugar and salt eggs.
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There's like this dark spot on the top of Saturn that is in the shape of a hexagon. And if you take the hexagon, which is a two-dimensional shape, and you make it a three-dimensional, it makes a cube. And I'm like, well, that's interesting. But then the whole thought of it is that the god Saturn is the god of time, is the god of materialism, the god of death, enslavement. Yeah.
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And what was crazy is this whole concept of the cult of the black cube is that if you go to... Basically, any major financial district within the world, they all, including CERN, which is not a financial district, but they all have a monument of a black cube in their financial districts.
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I will tell you, in my other life, when I worked at Disney World, my roommate, shout out Haley, she started dating a guy, Mormon. And they invited us over for dinner. She was like, you guys have to come meet my boyfriend because I want to see if you guys like him or whatever. And we go to his house and he was like a imagineer for both Disney and Universal. He had contracts with both.
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No way. That's weird.
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Yeah, and so CERN also has this black cube-shaped monument in front of CERN. And they believe that this worship of it is that they're able to tap in to this realm or this deity to be able to enslave the masses. And so part of it was they believe that the Federal Reserve was based off of that. And so it would be slave to debt.
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And that was this whole going back to Saturn was this slave to debt, slave to materialism. But you see it throughout just so many cultural things, so many religious things, like the black stone in Mecca, you know, where they all circle it? So that's a giant black stone. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm talking about?
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Yeah, the big one where they all pray in front of it.
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Yeah, the actual stone in front of it. But a lot of it has to do with child sacrifice, too. So, again, it connects to the god Molech, Baal, all that stuff. So they're talking about in Rome, Saturn, the god Saturn, they would do these mock sacrifices, too, especially child sacrifices. Yeah, big time. And in Greece, it was Kronos who they would also do sacrifices to.
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And obviously, we know Baal, right, who is the god where they had the hollowed-out belly that they would put the infants into. And then Molech, like in Bohemian Grove. And so they're saying that it's basically an all-encompassing cult. to the god Saturn or Satan that is part of this very ancient divine knowledge, this purist bloodline.
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So it goes into the whole conspiracy of, like, these monarchs and stuff and their bloodlines of, like, they've known how to tap into this deity and, like, control everything, control the masses through whatever, especially financial debt and all that stuff.
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um but this was the craziest that i found this actually today jp morgan you know who was very involved in the federal reserve and who was um one of the richest men in america in his time he has this quote that says millionaires don't uh use astrology so millionaires don't use astrology billionaires do
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Yikes.
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Oh, I've never heard that one. How chilling.
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Dude, that's I can get behind this one. Yeah, this seems like a theory, like because it's just it's just that idea that anything any other God of me. And so it would make sense that Satan is the source of all of these things.
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Yeah, but you think about, like, we've talked about just so many times, like Gobekli Tepe, these ancient monuments, like the pyramids in Aztec, Mayan, Stonehenge, they all were observing the stars. Like, they're so enthralled with this astrology and stuff like that. And then you got someone like J.P. Morgan, who was an incredibly crooked man.
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who was also a billionaire, it was just like, millionaires don't study astrology, billionaires do. And this fascination with the stars and Saturn and the black cube. And then I immediately, I'm like, the one thing I immediately popped in my head was BlackRock.
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Yeah, I mean, literally. Literally.
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They are like the number one corporation that basically control or have the majority wealth in the world, right? Or like the richest corporation on earth. Yeah, they own everything, dude.
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And like what's happening in the Panama Canal right now? Well, they now own 90% of it. They bought the companies that owned the North and South ports. So there are several other ports, but they've got the biggest ones. They've got the access from the North and South big ones. And so I don't know beyond that, but that doesn't seem like a good thing.
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Nerd.
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I mean, it's a play that, I mean, they're just monopolizing the globe. So trade. Well, can you give me the list again? Cause I'm thinking through, I'm adding like humanity to the thought process, like what the devil lacks in control. It sounds like this is a list of things that would become an obsession.
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Stop. And he would build rides for both of them, which is so crazy. Double nerd. Stop it. Double Mormon nerd. He had other Mormon roommates. And one of them was a fire dancer at... You know, Polynesian resort.
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like just what what was the list of things again it was time it was basically time um death materialism materialism um and there's there it goes off into this sect too of like there's another rabbit trail theory called the saturn moon matrix theory
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Saturn moon matrix theory.
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Yeah. So it was first formulated by this guy, David Icke, and his theory suggests that Saturn and the moon, this is absolutely wild. Don't, this is not a fantasy time. This is completely off the rails, but it's very interesting. Saturn and the moon are broadcasting a false reality, trapping humanity in a controlled illusion.
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So kind of like a simulation theory, kind of. Exactly, like a matrix. But it's controlled by them.
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Yes. Interesting. People that are crazy into the occult and astrology, which if you look into all these cult things, like Freemasonry and... You go down the Rosicrucians and Knights of the Temple. Their obsession with the stars and their alignment. But they believe each planet gives off a certain frequency. And that's where astrology comes in.
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Like, oh, well, Saturn is... Or Jupiter is crescing or whatever they call it. And it's like, so this month will be very good for you for doing this and doing that. These dudes really believe that. And I'm just like, well, is there... is there some truth to that where it's like, but it's like, it's not necessarily the planets as much as it is the actual deity of what they represent, you know? Yeah.
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But it could also align with astrology. Cause that goes back like to the dawn of man of just like obsession with the stars and the alignments and like,
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well and like for navigation and yeah for planning and all that stuff at that time telling time before we had like clocks and all that yeah that makes sense like just how advanced they were with and their obsession with the stars and stuff like that like i mean we're baffled today how they knew so much back then it's like yeah what if they had someone telling them what if there was some other type of knowledge happening it's like that seems like the only logical way
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Well, you think about all those ancient civilizations too. I have how they like refer to them as star people and they came from the stars and they came from the heavens. It's like they, and they taught them the heavens too. They taught them how to read the skies and stuff like that.
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So like there really seems to be a connection in like, I know as like Christians, especially American Christians, it's like, so like, we don't want to talk about astrology. We don't want to talk about all this stuff, but it's like, At the same time, it's also like knowing your enemy kind of thing, right? And knowing that there is a divine knowledge and there are seasons to things and whatever.
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Dangerous nerd. Arsonist nerd.
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And it's like, if they came down and they're teaching civilizations the reading of the stars and stuff, it's like, there has to be something to that. Not saying it's good. No. Right? Knowledge is knowledge.
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That's the whole knowledge of good and evil. That's still evil knowledge.
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But then you think about J.P. Morgan saying that... billionaires study astrology.
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That's so weird, especially that early in time. Astrology probably just meant something completely different back then. It couldn't have been as popular. It was a people magazine saying Pisces rising. It's kind of crazy.
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That's really bizarre. Reading in the Old Testament Right now, I just went through Leviticus and they were talking about they had a chapter on like if you sacrifice to Moloch, if you sacrifice a child to Moloch, then this is your repercussion or something like that. And I guess my understanding as a youth reading the Bible, it felt I had and maybe it was the people that was teaching me.
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Anyway, he comes home from a shift of fire dancing. I'm not kidding. He opens the pantry door. A thousand eggs are in there. And he takes out a 12, a 12-er. Crack, gulp, gulp. Oh my gosh. I'm not even kidding.
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But it's like I had just assumed like these are just like mystical whatever. But the way that scripture talks about these gods, it's like they were very real and they were very spooky.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It wasn't just like idolatry as we see it nowadays, like just your attention span. It's like, you guys are wasting your time praying. Like, no, it seems like, yeah, there's a reason why they went back to it because they said it probably, you know, fulfilled selfish desires.
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Yeah.
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And it's like things that God, like in their way, didn't, you know, they didn't, I don't know how to say it in that way.
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No, but you're right.
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Yeah.
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The interesting thing to me, I want to touch on the materialism angle, but also what did the devil say to Eve or the serpent? He said, you'll have the knowledge, you will be like God. And there are other faiths in the world today where the same exact lie is dive into this religious practice and then you will inherit basically this astrological sort of narrative.
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And this whole storyline to me, it seems like Satan is a prince who thought his inheritance was his and is scorned because he is not... His entitlement, his arrogance, he is not inheriting it. God has given us the kingdom. And so it feels to me like he's like, okay, well, if... If I don't get it, I want to possess. And so he's trying to come up with a way to enslave that which Christ came for.
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Yeah, and then being like the sole keeper of it to where they have to worship him in order to attain these things.
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His days are limited. He's obsessed with time and with death. He's obsessed with materialism because that's the means by which our lives are controlled. And so it would make sense that debt and materialism and that sort of thing, it's a way in which to entrap only for a season, but still.
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Yeah.
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And dependency as well.
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Yeah, dependency. One thing from the supernatural book from Dr. Michael Heiser. Which is great. I think the verse is from Daniel, but he's talking about basically the Elohim, the sons of God. of how they disobeyed God, and he told them that they would die like mortal men. And so their days immediately were limited. Like, you're no longer an eternal being. You will die one day.
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Right out of the, like the fire dancing? And then he just pours them in his mouth like a psychopath? Yes. Whoa. Was he buff?
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And so you think of the desperation of, like, I'm okay. Now I'm just in full rebellion of you. Cause like, there's no, I'm making most of my life. Yeah. The book of Enoch talked about the watchers pleading with Enoch, like, Hey, go talk to God and like, ask him if he can forgive us.
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And God's like, no, you knew what you did and you send, there's no forgiveness for you. And if you're rewarded for your evil behavior as well. Now, now it's like, now you've got a full soldier for you. It's like, Satan, tell me what to do. You know? Like that's, I don't know.
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That's crazy. Heiser does an amazing job, and Albarino does an amazing job of giving that thought process of like, yes, they are going to die like mortal men. They're cast down, thrown into the abyss. And it's like, but they're from day one, their jealousy of humans, of also being created in God's image. And it's like, and they're giving dominion over the earth.
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And it's like this utter jealousy of just like, what the, no, like, why don't we get that?
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Yeah. Also eternal life.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Like forgiveness. Yeah.
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Yeah, and so, like, they're going to do everything in their power to destroy humanity and destroy our faith in God and just ruin everything.
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Yeah. He's a fire dancer.
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Like, that's their one goal. It's like that nefarious movie. It's like how much they just praise when he could take one of them from God.
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Like a roaring lion looking for something to devour. On the prowl, dude. I mean, think about how a cat stalks. That's literally the picture of our enemy pursuing our souls. Just waiting for you to slip up and lose focus on your enemy. And most of us.
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Yeah.
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He's a fire dancer. Obviously he's buff. Okay. Have you seen a fire dancer?
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We just read Revelation 17 in our BSF group, and it talks about the great prostitute and her beast with seven heads. And her... her wrath or her cup of filth and all that stuff. And just like all the symbolism. And it really is just distractedness and comfortable. It sounds a lot like the list that you gave. Yeah. Saturn. It's just like the tools that she uses to, to distract us.
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Yeah. What freaked me out the most, I think, with researching this Saturn cult was how it potentially leaked into all religions, even Christianity. Yep. And they showed the example of when Constantine was the emperor, right? So he was like the first real Christian emperor of Rome. Mm-hmm. He to ease. So he actually, he's the emperor that made Christianity legal, right?
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Crazy. Anyway, they ended up getting married. Haley and the guy.
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The, their empire's religion, like their nation's religion is Christianity. Got it. But to the story goes, which I barely did any research. So, but the story goes that there's so much backlash from the Roman citizens that the worship of Saturn was like one of their main religions and, that he implemented and combined worships of Saturn into Christianity. And supposedly, Don't quote me on this.
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Wow.
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That's great. Don't you love that? Speaking of fire dancing, a buff dudes. Yeah. You know a song? Yes. Now that we're eight minutes into this podcast.
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Again, very few hours I spent researching this, but the Cathedral of St. Peter in the Vatican is supposedly built over the monument or the altar where they would do sacrifices to the goddess Saturn.
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Okay, can I go on this like tangent though? So again, like in Revelation 17, it talks about the great prostitute and she's sitting on seven hills, which a lot of philosophers and theologians have identified that.
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Peter's Basilica, that's what it's called. Peter's Basilica. Okay.
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Yeah. They've said that's Rome because Rome is known as the city of seven hills. And I go, when I think of that immediately, I think, well, that's too limited, right? I feel like it wouldn't be just to one city. But then you think about what?
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Yeah.
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The Vatican and all this spooky stuff.
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One thing that really bummed me out, and again, the uncomfortable stuff, I think we should research sometimes, and this would be great for discussion, but apparently the festival that they would do to the God of Saturn and gift exchanges and stuff like that, basically from Constantine's day is now our Christmas.
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What?
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Like the traditions and stuff?
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It was like the Saturn's festival.
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So when people say that Christmas has pagan holiday roots and stuff, that's what they're saying?
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Yeah. Interesting. I didn't know that. That bummed me out a little bit. Are we anti-Christmas? It's like, well, I mean, these things are very... You can't be ignorant to stuff. If you're like, okay, well, then... But we don't do that. But it's also like, don't partake in the things that are evil. So how does that look with...
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christmas yeah and i'm not very limited research people and but like you can't just be like well that makes me uncomfortable that ruins kind of stuff but that's not just christmas but with a lot of things yeah right like if there's something that is a has been a christian tradition that is not of scripture but yet we've been doing this tradition
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And then you find out, oh, actually, it could have been a thing for the god Saturn who partook in child sacrifice. It's like, well, then maybe we shouldn't do that.
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Well, Josh, you in particular, then if you just have to consider maybe the Lord has revealed that to you.
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I know, but I'm saying Google some more.
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I'm just thankful there's grace in the passage where it's like, should we eat food offered to idols? And it's like, He's like, well, don't ask. But now I told you, Christmas is... I will use this as an excuse to not put lights on my house because I'm not putting stars and worshiping the stars. Yeah, true.
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It's all about intentionality, though. This is why you're choosing things, right? Yeah, I think so. But really, if that's the route you're going to take, then really make Christmas about the birth of Christ.
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Exactly. I do think about how our traditions right now do take away so much from the true reason. Tis the reason for the season.
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Yeah.
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It's right around the corner. I just thought it was very interesting. That bummed me out. No, that's crazy. But that's the type of stuff that just gets you pumped, knowing that it's not just a day-to-day thing. This guy has been trying to wreck things from the get-go. And we know how it ends. Yeah.
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We know how it ends, and we know he's going to get creative, and there's going to be less people that find God than the opposite. So it's like, we know that. But...
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That would be funny. It's like an emo song, but it's all egg puns. Yeah.
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golly dude read your bibles love jesus and that's all going up in flames bro you really shook me up with this whole thing because i've never heard about this cult yeah that is so unique but it makes you wonder if it was so prevalent and even so prevalent recently to where jp morgan was interested in those ideas yeah why is it not why aren't there churches for this saturn cult and stuff like that or is it
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Because it's basically the god of time and materialism, right? But a big thing, part of it too, is child sacrifice, which I thought was insane. Because you look at the abortions and the weird division of pro-life and pro-choice. It's like, what are we talking about, bro? And then you think of, we talked about the Federal Reserve and Jekyll Island, right? How they literally met over that altar.
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I love technology. I love technology. But not as much as you, you see. But not as much as you, you see.
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Yes.
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Where they murdered, sacrificed babies. Yeah. So we're not talking churches or denominations. When you're thinking denominations, it's not theological. It's finances. It's projects. It's groups of people. It's different belief systems. It's stuff that leads to darkness.
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It's so woven into our day-to-day.
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It's literally the world. That's literally, that's what God's saying. He's like, he's like, yeah. Like you were literally like, don't, you know, like when we talk about worldliness, getting rid of worldly, it's like, that's what literally God's warning us. It's like, it's all around us. But he does say take heart. Why take heart?
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Yeah.
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I have conquered it.
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I have overcome the world. A lot of people, which they graze over a lot of times, is when Jesus was in the desert for 48 days, you know?
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And Satan says, bow down and I'll give you the kingdoms of the earth. Yeah. That's not like, oh, well, obviously because he's God. It's like, no, there's truth to that because Satan literally had dominion over the earth. Little did Satan know is that when Christ sacrificed himself and came back to life, we are now that inheritance. We now have the kingdom of God on earth.
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Each and every believer has the spirit within them to basically weed out. Satan doesn't have authority over us anymore.
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No, no power.
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And Heiser does an amazing job of talking about cosmic geography. And he shows so many scripture verses and stuff of the importance of the land and of Israel, of how this was God's land and stuff. It was very specific. From the Tower of Babel, the 70 deities that basically had dominion over the earth of different kingdoms and stuff. They had these dominions. They were corrupted.
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People started to worship them. They took advantage of that. Now they're doomed. Now they're going to die like mortal men. But then Christ died, came back to life, and then now we are that cosmic geography. We are now God's
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place right each and every believer so like we're literally the light in the darkness now yeah we're the temple of the lord our bodies are his temple yeah it's no longer confined to a single piece of land it's confined to the people themselves yeah i is no longer who lives in you like that yeah that's awesome
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Yeah. It's good stuff, man. When you said cosmic geology, I legit thought for a half second you were about to go crystal on me. I was like, where are we going? Well, speaking of crystals, though.
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Did you see that Disney show?
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Oh, no. Oh, no, right. I thought that's where you were going. No, go ahead.
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No, there's just like this cartoon apparently that's on Disney. It's like the first openly Christian character they've had. Dude, I saw that. And there's something like... she's not feeling good or something. And then the kid's walking out the door and the mom yells something. He's like, I don't want your rocks, mom. I'm pretty sure she's talking about crystal stuff. I'm like, let's go.
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That's hilarious.
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Speaking of Disney. What? Dude, the black pearl. Oh, yes. I don't know anything about it. What's up? I know you don't know. You've heard a little bit.
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You heard me listening to the reel the other day, but you explain it.
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So there's a deleted scene or deleted lines from a scene, but the whole reason that Jack Sparrow's ship was black...
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Oh, you echo too? Ooh. Wait.
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is he's actually a you remember the line when Beckett and him are talking he's like we've had dealings in the past yeah so apparently there's this whole scene where they give that backstory apparently Jack Sparrow worked for the East India Trading Company forever ago and the black pearl was given to him under contract from Beckett to be running goods from these places well he goes on one of these assignments to pick up cargo he gets there and it's slaves
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What? And so on the black pearl, which wasn't black at the time, I guess the wooden pearl, he picks up. Well, as they're sailing, he frees them all. Beckett catches up and lights the ship on fire. It burns down and sinks. And in the deleted scene, they're having this dialogue. It doesn't show all this happened. But Johnny Depp's line, Jack Sparrow's line, he said, people aren't cargo.
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She does.
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Echo. Cool. We were doing that yesterday. We were echoing and Ada said, what's that, mom? I said echo.
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And so literally he lost his ship, turned to pirating because he freed slaves. It's like this epic backstory. That's the coolest thing ever.
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So they burnt the Black Pearl and then he made a deal with David Jones to bring it back. To bring it back. And that's why it's the Black Pearl because it was burnt.
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And that's why also people are terrified when they see the Black Pearl because it shouldn't exist.
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If that was established in the first movie or even that was the twist at the end. Yeah, flashback. If that was the end of the whole series.
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But it answers so much, too. Why is this pirate this insanely moral person? Well, he was a cargo ship.
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Yeah. And he always chooses the high ground or the better moral thing to do.
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The start of his depravity was his commitment to morality. Dude, what a...
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There's a 95% chance that this song is going to get flagged. So you know the rules. If it gets flagged, go to YouTube. Nope, don't go to YouTube because it's flagged on YouTube.
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that's that makes the character even better that's so fun yeah yeah so so so the criminal the criminal is a character he's actually this incredibly moral individual yeah but he has tattoos yeah um brandy crystals though crystal the uh lady kristin what's her name steward telepathy tapes lady oh uh oh gosh She was on Joe Rogan. Okay, yeah.
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And I would say the majority of the podcast is very fascinating to listen to. But she, it's probably in her second season of Telepathy Tapes. I have not listened to it yet.
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Kai Dickens.
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Kai?
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Kai Dickens is her name. What did you call her?
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Kristen, I think.
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Close.
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Close.
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You just said Crystal. Crystal?
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Speaking of Crystal.
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I mean, it's very incredibly fascinating. She's like, you think that telepathy is the big deal? She's like, that's just the tip of the iceberg. No way. What else? She called them spiritual gifts. Yeah. And she's like, she's witnessed multiple of these nonverbal children. She calls them non-speaking, sorry. Non-speaking children. able to understand languages they've never been taught.
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One of them knew hieroglyphics, ancient hieroglyphics.
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What do you mean they just knew? Like they could understand them?
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And so they did the test where they made sure no one in the room knew hieroglyphics, right? Easy. Right.
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You think that's pretty easy? Oh, let me look around in this room.
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So they showed her, they showed this, I think it was a little girl, they showed her hieroglyphics. She was able to translate them exactly what they said immediately. They brought it to someone who studies hieroglyphics and they're like, what do these say? And they verbatim, word for word. How old was she? A child. Bro, what is happening? How does this work?
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Patreon or Spotify.
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But talking about there's children that are able to go into other people's dreams and communicate with them. And it even happened to her. She's been visited by children that she's gone and interviewed in her dreams. She wakes up and is like, texts the parents like, hey, was, I don't know, Charlie trying to get a hold of me? And they go and ask the child.
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Patreon or Spotify.
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Try again.
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You guys get it.
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They're like, yes, they're trying to get a hold of you last night and try to talk to you.
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How is this possible?
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That's the moment I quit my job.
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Is this all on the autism spectrum? Yeah, yeah. Okay, got it. Yeah, so that's, oh my goodness, dude.
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They all have one specific, I forget what she calls it, like a proxia or something, right? Where it's, that is that non-speaking ability and they also have like a mind-body disconnect.
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Yeah, it's where they don't know that they're in their body. So, like, it's a really kind of freaky thing. But they say that a lot of times they wear, like, heavy boots, bracelets and stuff to where they feel the weight of their body.
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To know where their chest is, to know where their arms are.
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So they have a hard time, like, communicating even with their iPads, notes, whatever, because they physically can't, like, connect their brain to their body fully. It's like they're outside of their body.
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Something's not processing. That's so strange.
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That's fascinating. It is said that when one of your senses is weak and the others are heightened. If you don't have use of your body or use of speech, how much more power do you have mentally? And access to your brain.
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Dude. Yeah, that truly does give you a glimpse of like how God created us. Like, is there something? An untapped part of your brain.
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She speculates that all people have this ability and they're just heightened because they don't have use of their bodies and stuff like that.
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And think about how much it's downgraded.
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I know.
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With just what we've consumed.
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Dude, I'm getting ready to throw this thing in the stinking ocean. Did you see that guy talking about how he took like seven weeks off or something and now he scores in like the whatever 99th percentile of memory?
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Yeah, so he said, I think it was 70 days. He said, I did an experiment. He said, before the thing, I took a test, and I was in the 46th percentile for memory for adult men. And he's like, and then I didn't do screens. It was either seven weeks or 70 days. No screens, no TV, computer, phone, whatever, just books, normal life, basically. And then took the test, and he was in the 99th percentile.
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Bless me. Bless me when I sneeze. Bless me. Bless me when I sneeze. I'm not the only one with allergies. I'm not the only one who's got a sneeze. I'm not the only one with allergies. I'm not the only Bless me. Bless me, my friend. Bless me. Bless me, my friend. I'm not the only one who's got the flu. I'm not the only one with a tissue. I'm not the only one who says that you. I'm not the
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Bro, are we dumbing ourselves down? Yeah, you guys stop watching this.
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What are you doing?
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Gosh, man, that's kind of crazy.
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Keep watching.
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Please don't. So many of us have just cornered ourselves where we can't live a life like that unless we do a complete 180 change of our lifestyle. I think that's definitely manufactured.
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Consider your career. You have to have technology.
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You can really set a precedent for your kids though. Exactly. We really try to limit TV with the girls. I'm the one that caves in the fastest with TV stuff.
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I'm reading a book on attachment too or I'm listening to a book on attachment. Attachment styles between parent and child. Talks a lot about modeling and it's like we've got to put these away when we get home.
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Yeah, I've been trying to be pretty intentional of like flipping it over on the counter when I get home.
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Or stuffing it in couch cushions.
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Or stuffing it in the couch cushions. Yeah, I've even just like, well, I'll just read the Bible, but I'll try to read it intentionally on the couch. Even if the girls are on the TV or something like that. I did that just a few days ago and I got multiple questions. I was like, is that the Bible? Is that like, what do you read? And they were just interested passively. But it's things like that.
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I remember that, yeah, there was this one person that just woke up every morning, they saw their dad, 8 a.m., 6 a.m., whatever it was, whenever they woke up, always started his morning with the Bible. And it's just like, she just like- It does make an impact. Showed importance. It was important to him. And it's like, it makes you wonder. Plant seeds. Yeah. So good. Yeah.
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This was a heavy bod, dude. I do love the black cube thing. Cause like yours, I'm going to see that everywhere now. Yeah.
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It's super wild.
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The financial district thing is wild to me. Yeah.
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Like every financial district, London, New York, I think maybe Chicago.
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That's when something was like, wait a minute, there might actually be something because I was like, oh, this is kind of scary. And then something I was like, oh, no, because I'm sold in on the symbolism. Like there's there's something to it that they have to have symbolism. It just feels like there's a requirement. You have to do this publicly. And we see it all the time.
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You see the Oscars background. People are saying it looks like a Freemason logo. Awesome. Yeah. It's just a big golden triangle with the circle and stuff.
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Well, I was saying that with Freemasons too, with their checkerboard thing, it's like the black square, white square, white square, square.
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Yeah. Those are creepy, man. It was like those leaked footage of them doing like their rituals, like dress rehearsals and stuff.
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I told Josh that I wanted a checkered kitchen floor. He said, get real. I still want it, though.
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You should get the shining carpet.
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That'd be cool.
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Speaking of the shining carpet, we're continuing this podcast on patreon.com forward slash ninjas are butterflies.
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I'm going to talk to you guys about... Kindle. Have you heard about the new Kindle stuff?
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It really ties in everything we just talked about.
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Okay. I have a couple things about creating humans in a lab.
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I have a story about the North Boston Massacre. And also, if we have time, the Siberian Hellhole.
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Oh, I would rather hear that. That sounds really... It's going to be pretty great.
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But go to patreon.com forward slash ninjas are butterflies. You get discount codes on swag if you're going to buy it already. You get episodes early. You get an extra episode. It's just so much more fun. We upload some of our songs while we're practicing sometimes.
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I think we can call it an extra episode at this point because it is longer than our podcast.
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You're welcome. Yeah, make sure to subscribe to our YouTube. Follow us on Spotify. Give us a five-star review, please, because it really helps. Comment something. Hit the little bell. I don't even know if the bell works. I bet it doesn't.
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It may be tested out.
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I don't know. Don't touch the bell, guys.
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And tell someone about us, because it really helps.
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Bye-bye. See you on Patreon. This is the coolest thing. So a kid and his family read their names.
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You're asking me to read their names. Yeah, just find their names. Father's name is Jordan Perkins.
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Yes, they sent us so much swag. He literally is, him and his, he designed shirts, but then his son, who's now starting to design shirts, they sent us custom shirts for each one of us. And this is mine. Look at that. That's the name of their design. Weird Birds.
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I love it.
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And then, look at this.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'm sure the top of it. I stinking love it.
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So stupid.
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But I have a gig designed it.
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Is it an owl with a knife?
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But I'm not a 2X, so that hurts a little bit. Lexi, Jordan, and the boys.
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Nice. Oh, here we go. Micah, Simon, Jude, Hosea, and Titus. Wow. Surf Ninja. The whole Bible in there.
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Let's go. That's so cool.
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I love the weird birds title and the logo is so cute. Joshy.
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You see how I got an XL?
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What is that? Am I really? Come on. I got XL.
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What is happening? That's sick.
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Lil Hooper.
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I'm hurt, but I do love it. That is so cool. That is so cool shirt, though. I do love it. I'll wear it forever.
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This is one of their first women's designs they've done.
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That's sick. That's great. Very cool. You guys are the best. Thank you all so much.
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So cool.
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Thanks, guys. Got a death whistle for the doomslug. Thank you so much on Patreon.
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But I still love technology.
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But I still love technology. Always and forever.
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I'm not the only one With allergies I'm not the only one With allergies I'm not the only one With allergies I'm not the only one Wow!
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Trying to make it good.
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Mr. Geppetto. Mr. Geppetto.
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All right.
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Cool.
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That was fun, guys.
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Good project. Very, very good. Wow.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
But, no, it's not good. What?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
It's today's question.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Oh, no.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
That was a good one.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Yeah.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Is it really a bad one or are you just saying that? Is it a tough one, actually, or are you just saying that?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Very controversial.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Really?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Yeah.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Okay.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
I don't think it should be, but a lot of people think it is.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Okay. I'm ready for it, man.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Today's question. Cinema viewer.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Should Jewish Josh actually one second. I hate to interrupt you, but I really need to. I need I feel like I need to ask a question. I know you have your own question and it sounded really interesting, but I feel like I just need to get a question out of the way.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
OK, I mean, yeah, this is the first.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
That makes me want to write a blink version of that song.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Lily.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Oh, my gosh.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Are you a thief? Andy. Stop. Are you a thief? Let me handle this. Okay. I've got it. Are you Lilith Adolph Hooper? Are you a thief?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Really?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Really? We shouldn't have talked about this. What's that, Josh? Is that my phone?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Maybe we should do it on Patreon.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
I hear something ringing.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
That right there. Wait, you have my phone? Your phone has been missing for three months. For three months. Has it not, Josh? It's been missing for three months.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
We should do I Love Technology by Blink-182. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
I needed the Netflix password.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
You know my brother Terry?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Of course you don't. You know why?
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
You're married to a thief. You're married to a thief and a liar. A liar, Lil.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
And you don't call me a liar. You're a liar.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
You're a thief. I'm glad she thinks it's funny. Yeah. Good thing it's hilarious to you.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
We met in a chat room. What is that song from? No. What? Napoleon Dynamite. The I Love Technology? Oh, yeah, that's right. I was trying to, because I've heard it before, obviously, but I just.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Good thing it's funny to steal something from your husband. It's a little funny.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
What's yours is mine.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
day no when it comes to talking to my grandma i've been really wanting to talk to my grandma she wants to talk to me the most anyway what about terry what about terry what about amy's brother terry's okay and you're just you hear that oh no he died oh no he died you're fine yeah he died lil stop it are you kidding me
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Layla's a thief. And she was fully responsible for the death of Andy's brother, Terry. And why my grandmother's upset at me.
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Did I say ninja? I meant butterfly. The butterfly is
Ninjas Are Butterflies
133 - Ancient Cult of The Black Cube, Government Corruption, & Telepathy
Oh, is his name Chip or Kip?
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Truer Crime
She did the right thing. She tried to get help. She, you know, did the things that you're supposed to do, and something awful still happens.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Introducing: Truer Crime
I'm pissed. That's just another thing that could have been brought to my attention. That could have changed everything.
Normal Gossip
Devilish Horde of Pestilence with Nadira Goffe
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. Nicole ain't raised no bitch.
Normal Gossip
Devilish Horde of Pestilence with Nadira Goffe
Pest control. Have they ever controlled pests? You know,
Normal Gossip
Devilish Horde of Pestilence with Nadira Goffe
I was about to say the Kenny Loggins song. But your danger zone.
Normal Gossip
Devilish Horde of Pestilence with Nadira Goffe
My mother said, I'm sorry you weren't here because Father Sager was here visiting and he found a very nice orphanage for you. And I said, but I'm not an orphan.
Nothing much happens: bedtime stories to help you sleep
All the Way Around the Lake (Encore)
Okay, it's time. Turn off your light.
Nothing much happens: bedtime stories to help you sleep
All the Way Around the Lake (Encore)
Good. All the way around the lake.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
Yeah, exactly. This is when management likes to use the leadership principles to be like, eh, disagree and commit on this one. The data-driven principle isn't really applicable here. It can be disheartening for employees.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
It doesn't come up so often. No, I think, I mean, that's kind of the frustrating thing. You know, our Slack is enormous at work. And like in our remote advocacy group, there's, you know, 35,000 people alone that are extremely upset about this.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
And, you know, a lot of the sentiment is like, you have this leadership principle and, you know, you want us to be productive, like show us the data and be the best employer. And this is not feeling like that at all.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
Well, so you saw on that note, they mentioned people with exceptions. And that's good that that might stay. I mean, one of the big things, which is like a sad reality is in these channels for remote advocacy, it's like people sharing advice on like, hey, like, does this qualify as something I should go talk to HR about?
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
And there's actually people in there who's like, full time jobs, besides, of course, the normal job to like give advice on like, Hey, you need to go find these two forms and make sure you have a doctor approved thing and do this. Because otherwise, you just wouldn't know. So like, I, for example, had a medical exemption, because I've got this hand problem I've talked about before.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
And then it was up for review after a year. I joined during COVID with being hired remote. And then I was told that I need to come into the office the other week. But then it took somebody on this thread to be like, oh, by the way, there's this hidden secret box you can check on the bottom of this form that will make the thing permanent.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
And so I'm super lucky that I got to do that six months ago and then totally forgot about it. And now here we are. Thankfully, I get to hopefully it's uncertain right now. So it's like ongoing conversations. But it's really shitty for everybody involved. And, you know, I always point to like, you know, you can make remote happen. And Oxide's like one of those examples I point to.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
It's like they do hardware and they're remote. Like we're doing purely software over here. Like what's the issue?
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
I won't say anything too bad, but to your point, I assume it's management. When they came out with this announcement, I personally am very vocal and was like, this is what you guys have been doing for the last six months on the S team? We're solving problems over here and you're still thinking about this? We thought we were over this. I guess not.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
The reason I raised my hand initially was I think one of the reasons they keep going back to this is they claim that it's a culture thing and they want to keep the culture of a startup I want to get your take on this, too, because I guess I just, you know, I grew up in an age of I'm born in the late 90s.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
I grew up in the age of the Internet and playing online video games and having communities like I have culture with people that I've never seen in person. Like, is this just like an older CEO thing where they don't think you can have a vibrant culture online and they don't know how to do it? Because I certainly think you can.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
Um, so I definitely, I, there's two things. One of them, like I personally, so I work remote. I personally get annoyed when people have to go into the office because usually they'll sign on before they leave. And then we'll get into a conversation about something and they'll be like, Oh, Hey, by the way, I have to, I have to get in the car and drive 45 minutes. So can I call you back then?
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
And they're like, can I call you in the car? I'm like, Oh gosh, like we were just getting started on something interesting here. And now you have to commute for an hour. Like I'll talk to you later. Um, So I definitely think, I mean, from everybody I talked to on my team, it's on days when they go to the office, they're like, hey, I'm back at home now. So let's call it here.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
Like I'm signing off more solidly. So that's a benefit. But then add in the commute. And I think almost everybody says, you know, I'd rather not commute.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
Or I get an email that you were scanning my badges and everything and tracking me with a spreadsheet.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
Totally. And if you're the employer, I mean, maybe it's a hot take, but if I can't trust you to work when I'm not, you know, micromanaging you and monitoring you, why do I even hire you? Like you're supposedly a professional and you're supposed to get things done. Like if you can't evaluate me based on work, like I don't even know why we're in this relationship of employer employee.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
And, you know, I think you guys mentioned it in your podcast a long time ago about the state of working remote, where now I just prefer people to be at home on calls because there's not background noise. And it turns out that conference room cameras are bad and you can't see facial expressions.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
And I actually prefer screen share for looking at people's code and pair programming because, you know, they're not hovering over me or, God forbid, touching my keyboard. So there's just benefits that you don't see like that.
Oxide and Friends
RTO or GTFO
Yeah, I think offices, much like cities, should be inhabited by people who want to be there.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
No doubt about it. I've never seen a $5 billion check either, Pablo. So when I look at this, Looks pretty official. There's some holograms, QR codes. It talks about the date that it was issued, the guarantee, period of coverage, beneficiary names.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Tarsiana C. Rodriguez, Demry Donald Norvell. These are the two named trustees.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
I do. I probably was a sophomore in high school, so 14 years old, 15 years old. Brian was a... Basketball player that was in PG County, right across the road from us at DeMatha Catholic High School. And Brian showed up to DeMatha one day wearing a suit. And I knew who Brian was, but I've never met him at that point. And I was just kind of like staring at this guy like, who's this guy?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Well, not knowing it then, but just who Brian was at the time. He's always wanted to present himself in a way that people took him very seriously.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
That wasn't a drug dealer?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
He's from Capitol Heights, but Brian was born in Atlantic City and then moved to D.C. at a young age, moved to Capitol Heights. And the time that we were growing up, Pablo, it was the crack epidemic. D.C. was considered the murder capital of the world.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
I don't know if you have one of those friends, right? But he is just one of those guys that you, I'm talking to our team about some of the things that's going on.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
No, our Duke team. Oh. From, you know, the time when Brian and I are all on the same team.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Yes, sir. And we're kind of, you know, going around and having conversations about it. And, you know, everybody consensusly is thinking the same thing. Like, it can't be true, but it's Brian. When someone sends you a $5 billion check and says that here are the things that I'm thinking about doing, it's kind of like, oh, shit. Like, let me kind of sit up in my chair a little bit.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
In this episode, we're going to talk about a man named Severino Garcia Santa Romana.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
For 70 years, legends have been told of a buried treasure shrouded in danger. It's one of the great mysteries of World War II.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Something very secretive and strange has got to be buried in that mountain.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
In a covert operation, infamous Japanese General Yamashita allegedly buried thousands of crates throughout the Philippines near the end of the war.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
That he was going to sue Bank of America and federal court to get his bank draft back.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
And we caught some flack for having him on the show, whatever most people think he's a joke. Well, just to give you an update on what happened over the weekend, Brian Davis and his group, they are suing Bank of America.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Hi, is this Wells Fargo?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
No, you got the wrong number.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Sorry, who are you guys? Who am I calling?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
This is not Wells Fargo.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Sorry, what are you guys? I was just confused.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
This is a company.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Yeah, what company are you guys? I'm just wondering why someone gave me the number for Wells Fargo.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
This is a seafood vendor.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Yes.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Right.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Can I just read you the name one more time to make sure that it's the same name? Tarciana C. Rodriguez.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Yes, she's the trustee, yes.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Okay, great. And so, and the other person's name, Demery, that's another trustee, is that correct?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Yeah, you can say Mr. Demery is fine.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
As in... A man named Severino Garcia Santa Romana.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
The office of Sir Richard...
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Brian is one of those guys that, like, and this is the beauty of him, he's on to the next project. So in his mind, it was like, I've already bought the Washington Commanders. these are the next things that we're going to work on. Like here are the next things that we're going to take a look at. These are the next franchises that I want to buy, properties I want to take a look at.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Hey Spotify, it's Damson Idris here to celebrate Tommy Hilfiger's Apex GP Collection.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
So it was rolling conversations into the future of what he was going to do being one of the wealthiest guys in the world.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
From our conversations and from the tone, absolutely he believed this was real.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Washington commander's backup offer. I asked if Kenny would read the rest. Good morning and happy 4th of July. I wanted to follow up with you to inform your group that we have posted in excess of $10 billion at BNY Mellon in New York City. We would like to have the opportunity to escrow the capital in your account immediately. We would like to wire it after the holiday this coming week.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
We would like to give Mr. Snyder $8.1 billion. $7.9 billion for the acquisition of the franchise. $100 million for the breakup fee for the other group. $70 million for Mr. and Mrs. Snyder.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
our bankers at BNY Mellon and Wells Fargo are available at any time to answer any of your questions. We look forward to hearing from you and thank you for your time and consideration.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Warmest regards, Brian.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
old pirates yesterday rabbi sold i to the merchant ships minutes
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
With the Galaxy Watch 7 or the Galaxy Ring and the Samsung Health app.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
The end of Daniel Snyder's era as owner of the Washington Commanders is rapidly approaching. According to CBS Sports, Snyder has accepted a $6 billion offer from Josh Harris' group to buy the team. Harris owns the six...
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
I just obtained documents that say a Washington, D.C. resident is in conversations with the Washington Commanders after placing a $7 billion bid to purchase the team. Now, according to these documents, Brian Davis, the founder of Urban Echo Energy LLC, an energy company, originally placed a bid on March 21st. Now, Davis is a former basketball player for Duke. He won a national championship there.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Discover Tommy Hilfiger's limited edition Apex GP Collection. Inspired by F1 The Movie. Only in cinemas June 25th.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
That's him in the middle.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
We can confirm Brian Davis's financial documents were sent this morning to the Washington commanders. The documents give a general timeline that says the first billion dollars could be released to Dan Snyder within 24 hours and the rest of the six billion dollars in a week. Also in the letter, I saw Brian Davis is willing to indemnify Snyder as a condition of his offer. Now, if Dan Snyder accepts,
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
It would set an NFL record for the most expensive sale in global sports history and the NFL's first African American majority owner.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Instead, what Brian wanted to do was issue a statement of his own. My money comes from white people. So, yeah, look, if it sounds like Ryan's a bit defensive about his partners here.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
It's for good reason. A source tells me they don't believe Mr. Davis has the money, and we learned that Davis has been sued several times. He's faced civil lawsuits for not paying back loans, breach of contract, failure to appear in court, and defaulted on loans.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Brian Davis. Brian Davis, if you take over.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
Yeah.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
I think that was the whole point of sending it to you. So Liz and Violet can be like, what the hell is wrong with daddy?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
I Think I Solved the Mystery of the NFL's Secret Scammer and a $5 Billion Check
I think, Pablo, at the end of the day, when you look at it, probably the track record over the last... you know, 10, 15 years with Brian, you know, people, if he's trying to use his own voice to get this message out, it's not as effective.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
Willkommen bei Pablo Torre Finds Out. Ich bin Pablo Torre und heute werden wir herausfinden, was dieses Geräusch ist.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
So you're re-watching the episodes?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
Yeah, I just, yes, I just started this weekend. I'm on episode five, I think. I think I just did five of season one. And I don't think I'm going to re-watch season two, because here's the other crazy thing. The beginning of season two, I was like, I don't think this show and I get along anymore.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
There was a function that I presume was invented because of online bullying. But you could warn the person you were instant messaging with.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
My concern was that it was slow.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
I was like, it's losing me.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
There's too many things. The finale of episode, or the last episode was, the finale of season one. Yeah. Was one of the great television shows. It was amazing.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
Incredible. Almost criminal how long we had to wait. Almost criminal how long we had to wait for season two. In the subreddit, maybe this is disproving that I'm not deep, but I went back just to make sure I grasped all the concepts.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
And people were like, after the, I checked, I looked ahead at the subreddit for the episode of the finale, just to be like, what did people say right after they saw that? And what they said was like, I can't believe we gotta wait another year. I can't believe we have to wait 12 more months. And it was like, oh boy, you have to wait. Das mal drei, bevor du ein weiteres Episode bekommst. Oder zwei.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
Zwei und ein halb? Teil meiner Subreddit-Psychologie, und ich habe dieses Fehler schon gemacht, ehrlich gesagt, ich habe die letzte Saison von der Weißen Lotus wirklich genossen. Aber das Wichtigste an der Weißen Lotus war, dass ich letzte Saison fühlte, dass die Subreddit-Kollektivität stärker versuchte, als die Schauspieler tatsächlich versuchten.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
Like, there was the invention of theories and details being read into in ways that were just beyond what the intent was, it turned out, for that season. And Severance, any show like this, seems to be, you know, teasing, knowing that the audience will inevitably go and spin off into their own sorts of rabbit holes. But the question of will it get paid off, right?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
To them. So you would press like a lightning bolt icon and they would get a warning. An electric shock? But it was like a percentage. And you could keep warning them and if you warned them 200%, they couldn't send an IM.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
So the finale of season one, I was like, Okay, they're doing it. Now, after Episode 7, I'm like, finally, they're doing it. And hanging in the... And this is like the Lost problem. Is that like, you can get these signs that they're doing it. The question is, at the very end, will this all pay off? And I'm so hopeful that Severance will.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
I think it will.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
I've just been burned before.
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I think it will too. What solved my burn of Lost... Because last I felt like I thought we were collecting all these clues and would be rewarded. And we were not. And I think it's because I went into it thinking they were gonna tell me the answers. And what cured me of that was when I watched The Leftovers. Because The Leftovers was like, hey, we're not gonna tell you why.
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Es wird passieren und wir machen eine Show darüber, was nachher passiert, weil sie auch nicht wissen, warum. Also warum solltet ihr wissen, warum? Wir lösen es nicht. Und so dann, als ich das akzeptiert habe, habe ich das Show wirklich genossen.
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Ich stimme dazu so viel. Meiner ist ein bisschen in den Umgang, wo du gesagt hast, dass Leftovers dich kürzt. Ich dachte, dass Lost mich für Leftovers primiert hat. Jetzt weiß ich, wie diese Leute arbeiten. Ja, einige von diesen Sachen werden nicht beantwortet. Und es gibt keinen Weg, einen bestimmten Punkt in den Leftovers, wo du sagst, sie können nicht all diese Sachen beantworten.
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Right after this ad.
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Severance, von der ich voller Glauben bin, wird sich zahlen, so zu sprechen. Sie werden dir nicht alles erzählen können. Manche werden sagen, das ist passiert. Wir konnten nicht jedes Stück davon verbinden. Die Fragen sind... Was spannend ist, ist, zu denken, welche der Dinge die Antworten sind. Ich hoffe, dass ich das herausfinde. Wenn Steven als Steven Luhmann entdeckt wird. Großartig.
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Das soll ich nicht sagen.
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And so presumably this was used again to like create politeness and decency. And instead it was just weaponized so... We do that with everything. Teenage boys could just like lightning bolt each other over and over again.
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Can we go back to talking about the show I like?
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Episode 7. Wait, is that the one that just was on? The one before that. A second to last. So the episode about Gemma. The big reveal. Gemma's in all the different rooms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those rooms. That, I mean, but just the... I sort of just palpably experienced what it's like to be out in a broader world after being claustrophobically inside of these hallways.
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And just like, it was weird to be like, I have this feeling when I watch The White Lotus, when I watch Succession, where I'm like, I am enjoying this not merely because this is a really well-constructed show, also because I'm into the aesthetics of it. And I just found myself being like, oh wow, Das Episode war wunderschön. Es wurde wunderschön gedreht, dekoriert. Die Pflanzen, die ich liebte.
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Die Frau, die das gedreht hat.
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Sie ist ein Künstler.
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Das war ihre erste Zeit, ein Episode zu drehen. Es war wunderschön.
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Es war wunderschön in jeder Weise. Und der breitere Eindruck. Was ist ihr Name?
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Jessica Lee Gagné. Schön. She knocked that shit out of the park.
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Yeah, she really did. And again, knocked me on my ass. That episode was like, it's crazy to see a sea change in, again, the depth that I go of the subreddit, which is not too deep. I'm not reading other theories. I gave a couple other people too much. I was reading it and then was like, okay, this is nuts. That's obviously not gonna happen.
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I'm like a catfish. I'm just like everything on the... People loved Mark and Helly.
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They loved that shit. And then in one episode, after, I mean, right after they have sex.
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Oh, I thought you were going to say weaponized in an actually bad way. That ended up being pretty harmless there at the end. It was fun. In terms of weaponization on the internet, that wasn't too bad.
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The percentage increase in any mark having sex has absolutely skyrocketed.
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Dude is getting more laid than he's ever been in his life.
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Dude is extremely not having sex in there.
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And now he's having... Had never, ever even. All over the place.
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Probably never. Any mark had probably never had sex. And now any mark is doing it on the regular.
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And then after episode seven, everybody was like, Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020
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Yeah, to speedrun through a lifetime of a relationship and have that not feel like it's cheap and that they did it for, again, an artificial pulling of a puppet string is so hard. And by the end, yeah, that's exactly the right reaction. You feel bad that you were rooting for this other, you were shipping the wrong couple.
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Du hast auch Hot Adam Scott drin, den du nicht so oft findest.
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Wir brauchten ihn ein bisschen. Gut für ihn. Ich glaube, er dachte, ich kann meinen Fastball in der Mitte... Ich habe gesehen, dass Leute den Meme benutzen, dass man diesen Typen nicht liebt, man ist nur auf SSRIs oder so. Wenn du deine Beta-Blocker stoppst, geht das weg. Und dann kommt er raus und du denkst dir, oh nein, nein, nein, er hat... Du verlierst ihn, er wird in der Rolle verloren.
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Das ist der Punkt.
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Sein Sexappeal hat sich immer auf der linken Seite gespielt. Er hat gesagt, ich zeige es dir, damit du weißt, dass mein Hook so aussieht. Oh mein Gott. Das ist richtig. Delicious.
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I mean, it wasn't like we fomented a revolution in Myanmar.
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That's right. There's our hottie. And so that's really what I think Severance is about, what it boils down to.
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Yeah, I agree. Okay, wait, can I ask a question? Just a thought about this? Yeah, yeah. I don't know what episode it is. When I watch, I watch and I kind of, I don't delve. I don't like go in to see all the secret thoughts, etc. That's normal. I'm not in the subreddits.
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Did Twitter get something today? It was not working. Yeah, I think we got to go. I think it's time to go. It's time for me to leap into blue ski.
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Good, again. I'm saying it and I feel like you still think I might be insulting you.
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When Helena... sees Mark at the diner or whatever.
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Yeah, the Chinese restaurant, I believe.
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The Chinese restaurant, thank you. And says the wrong name for Gemma. Do you know what I'm talking about? She calls her like Hannah or something and Mark corrects her.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes. What do we think is going on? So two things I thought were happening there. One is, that's the classic move when you are trying to throw shade at someone's ex.
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Yeah, yes, okay. Oh, how's, how's, uh...
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Wie heißt Kristen? Sie heißt Katie.
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Like that thing? Yeah, yeah. You know that. Don't do that. You knew that the whole time. You knew. The other thing is, is she testing his cognitive, just sort of like... Could be.
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It always could be that.
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Attachment, which is also... The whole thing. ...what Episode 7 was about, right?
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Yeah, it's the whole thing.
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Interesting. Like just testing your pain tolerance. Yeah. Your emotional pain tolerance. A nightmare of an episode. That is... That guy.
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By the way, I learned my... Yeah, f*** that guy. And that's no offense to him, you know? It's just like, buddy, I'm never... It's like... I feel like there's a guy in Green Mile that as soon as he... He either sucks or is an incredible actor. Because I was like, if I ever see that guy again, I'll punch him and I won't feel bad.
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Dr. Maurer. He'll get it. He'll know why.
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Yeah, and that's how... Dr. Maurer, you're next on that list. Like, that guy sucks. That guy sucks. He's a creep. He played a creep so well that I never want to see that.
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I'm heading over to blue ski. Oh my God.
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Oh, my God. His fingers in her mouth as the dentist was...
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Don't you feel like they could come back to him and you could see him in the outside world and you'd be like, oh, I see kind of how he got here. Like Severance would do that. Severance, they're not going to. They find a way for you to be like, oh, I get why he wants to pretend to be a dentist and actually checks out.
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No, because if you think he's just pretending to be a dentist.
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Dr. Bauer as an Audi is Steven's assistant. Yeah. His asshole boss, who he's browbeaten by and he's taking it out on, yeah, Miss Casey.
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Everybody's very nice there.
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Miss Casey. Oh my God, just what a show. There's just so much happening.
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How many more episodes are there?
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I think, well, last season went to nine. So I would have thought eight, but maybe nine.
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We're looking it up.
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So there's either one or two left. It's gotta be two left.
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It's me who's hesitant. They're so eager to welcome you.
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There are two more.
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Okay, good. So that's what I'm, I'm right.
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The After Hours is the next episode. And then the last episode is Cold Harbor, which feels like it's been signaled, of course, by The Room. Sure. Again, if you haven't watched the show, I hope you enjoy us nerding out about it.
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It's just really good. It's just really, really good. But Cold Harbor is not just The Room, it's also the project that Mark's working on. Yes, of course.
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And it was also written on the crib that he was building in the flashback. Und ich denke nicht, dass das zählt. Das ist wahrscheinlich nur ein Schaut-out zu diesem Prop-Direktor.
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It's the re-learning of the stuff. It's the re-following the people that I got. It's the... I had it. I had it and I didn't do anything that made me deserve to have it taken away. Why did you take it from us? Why?
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Aber es ist einfach interessant.
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Du denkst, das war ein Unfall?
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Nein, ich denke nicht, dass es ein Unfall war. Ich denke nicht, dass es ein Unfall war.
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Ich denke nicht, dass es definitiv sagt, dass Cold Harbor baby-relevant sein wird.
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Yeah, I feel like that Episode 8 is very, you know when you go to like a super fancy restaurant and the chef is like, and for this course, it's a parsnip steak. And you're like, I would never f***ing eat this, but let's see what you got, bro. I'll try it. This to me is the parsnip steak episode, where they're like, what if we did this? I love that s***.
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I love imagining a writer's room, where they're like, how about this insane thing? And someone goes, yeah, absolutely. Let's absolutely do that.
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Yes, but you have to trust the restaurant.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You can't do it at a gas station.
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Und zu dem Punkt, dass man in dieser klostrophobischen Reihe von Hallen lebt und jetzt tatsächlich die Rest der Karte besucht.
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Was nach den Leuten genannt wird. Also ist das klar nicht nur in der Firma, was ich glaube, ist, wenn wir unsere wichtigste Information bekommen, ist, wenn du in der echten Welt darüber sprichst. Ich liebe die kleinen Dinge, die es in der Diner-Party in der Saison 1 ausmacht. Episode 2 question mark, where they have the non-dinner dinner party where they're all sitting around.
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It's all Ricken's intellectualist friends talking about nothing but saying a lot of words. And they're having a dinnerless dinner where they focus more on sating themselves with the conversation and really digging into each other's brains instead of being distracted by the food. It's like perfect. That's why I love Ricken as a character. He's perfect.
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perfectly written, his friends suck, and then when Severance comes up... Du spürst, dass alle sagen, wie, wenn jetzt, ich werde nicht mal etwas zitieren, was aufkommen könnte, aber denk an die Hot-Button-Themen, die alle sagen, ich habe eine Meinung, ich wundere, was deine Meinung ist, wir sprechen nicht wirklich darüber.
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Kommt in die Konferenz und dann siehst du all diese Leute, die performativ zeigen wollen, wie klug sie sind, geben ihre Meinung. Es ist sehr interessant. Und dann hört man in Ihrem Newsreport, dass es bei anderen Firmen passieren könnte. There's like other stuff.
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It's why I watch shows now with the captions on, because sometimes like hearing what the TV is saying in the background, while not crucially important, does add like a context that makes you go, that is what we would do. We would absolutely respond to Severance with something like that.
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Wir sind gerade an einem Punkt, an dem Michael Cruz Kane, einer der Charaktere, die du beschreibst, keine Ahnung hat, was du sagst.
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Wirklich? Das ist absolut wahr. Du bist auf einem Niveau von Rewatch, aber auch von Aufmerksamkeit, das ich nicht erzielt habe. Selbst wenn ich Severance sehe, bist du sehr nah an Severance. Das ist der Niveau von... Oder Fanfiction. Oh Gott.
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Warning was invented... Oh, wow. This is a message board post from 2003.
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Ich meine nicht, dass du es willst. Wir können über etwas anderes sprechen, das ermutigend ist.
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I would like to stay in the world of entertainment and bring you the other story that I want to talk to you about.
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Did you guys see Saltburn?
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I didn't see Saltburn, but I did because of this. I clicked the link to the video of the scene and I wish I hadn't clicked on it.
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Which scene is it? Was it when he f***ed the ground?
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This scene is this scene.
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Oh my god, you can't show this at work. You can't make me watch this.
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Just in case you're not familiar with this video, by the way, this is in fact Barry Keoghan sneaking in and drinking the bathwater in the tub that Jacob Elordi's character had just bathed and ejaculated in.
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You better be going somewhere with this. Because what the f***? Why? Why are we?
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What you have there in front of you?
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So, I bring that scene up because the bathtub from Saltburn has been purchased by a guy who collects stuff von Filmen. Sein Name ist Pablo Torre. Und der Kühlschrank ist heute hier. Ich werde den Kühlschrank rausziehen.
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What I have there in front of me.
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You dug that deep into the internet.
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Ist es, ähm, ich will es nicht nennen, spiel den Clip nicht wieder. Ich bin nur, haben wir jemals gesehen, was, nein, nein, haben wir jemals gesehen, wie weit der Kühlschrank ist? Oh mein Gott, es ist, schau, schau, schau, die Hüfte.
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straightdope.com Okay, that's a... boards.straightdope.com Who knows? It's... Hold on, where's the actual... It's a real website. Here's a headline from the Gainesville Sun.
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Es ist, das Schlurfen macht es.
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Schalt es auf. Haben wir jemals gesehen, wie weit der Kühlschrank ist? Good night.
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Good night, mate.
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Is it like a claw foot?
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There you go.
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Pause! Pause! Pause! Pause! Legally you have to pause.
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So there's a wood sort of like... What do you think? Rim, I guess.
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I can't tell if it's old or new. It's new-ish?
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It's definitely game used is the point.
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No, I meant like if that's... What type of... What style of... Expensive? Yeah.
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Die ganze Prämisse von Saltburn ist, dass diese Jungs was machen, innerhalb dieses Gebäudes in England. Das ist der ganze Punkt? Das ist ehrlich gesagt mehr oder weniger der Punkt.
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Sie schauen dieses Haus oder so?
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Hey, diese Jungs flirten einander Gummis. In Jacob Elordys Familie haben sie dieses Gebäude. Das Gebäude heißt Saltburn, glaube ich.
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Und das sind zwei Freunde?
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So, eine längere Geschichte zu beschreiben ist, dass Barry Keoghan, ich weiß nicht. Ich dachte, es war Keegan, aber vielleicht ist es Keoghan. Barry Keoghan ist ein Student in der gleichen Schule und er wird von Jacob Elordi genommen. Und es ist diese ganze Differenz in der Klasse-Dynamik. Aber Barry Keoghan ist auch dieser unglaubliche Kon-Mann. In other words, talented Mr. Ripley. Mr. Ripley.
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One might even dare say. Yeah. Anyhow, this guy bought this bathtub for $4,375 in an online auction. Talented Mr. Sip me? Is that something? Oh, no. Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no.
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No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, you were saying?
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If you weren't sure that Katie is lightly stoned.
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When people ask Mr. Harvey, this guy's name is Mr. Harvey. His first name, I believe, might be Kyle.
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Okay. And that's a real thing or something named to sound like a real thing.
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Steve Harvey.
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Oh my God. I very believe. Steve Harvey. That mustache doing work on that tub.
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Can you stop? It's like...
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When people ask Mr. Harvey what he does with the bathtub, his answer is simple. Quote, I just look at it, he said. I'm looking at it right now. Barry Keoghan was right there. It's so crazy to me. Period. End quote.
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I mean, this dude is a, I mean, if I had to guess, an outwardly extremely horny guy, whoever bought this.
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But he's a movie, if it wasn't a movie collector guy, then I would feel like more so that. But movie collector guy, if he wants to collect all the iconic things from movies, he could power through... You know, how weird that is.
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It just feels like you've got that thing in your house so someone can say, what is this? And you can go, have you seen this scene from Saltburn? Do you know Betty Keoghan?
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Do we know the other... Already better than his, if I may. Do we know what other things from what other movies he has?
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Yep. Like the Epoch Times.
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Other sulfur memorabilia he bought in the auction.
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Oh, well, that's different.
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A framed photo of Mr. Elordi and Mr. Keoghan.
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An ensemble that the actors wore in the film, which won awards for costume production and design. Also, the bathtub came complete with stains around its drain.
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Fake stains. Stains like stains. I don't know. I'd call it a stain.
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The production designer has said that they were made using edible paint. Stain. Okay.
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Edible paint stains. In case Kyogen accidentally dislodged some of the stains.
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I don't think you can stain a tub. I'm looking for one of you to take that over. I don't think you can stain a tub with that.
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Yes. Which is what again?
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I'm not aware of the acid content being enough to stain the tub.
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Okay, sure. Okay, sure.
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Presumably a real thing. Okay. Oh, das ist Shen Yun. Oh, yeah, right, right, right. Shen Yun. That performing arts festival thing.
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Never heard of that. Not familiar. I don't like horror movies, though.
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A horse trailer from Twisters.
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And a diner sign from Friday the 13th, one of his favorite horror films.
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Okay, so it's kind of all in like a big warehouse.
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In his residence, it seems.
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Okay, so he's having that moment you described like 50 times throughout his... And have you ever seen Friday the 13th? This is the sign from that. There are...
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Ja. In this photograph, a framed autographed photo of Joe Exotic, I guess.
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I guess. I don't know. But... I think the bath... I'm interrupting you. The bathtub is for sex thoughts. You're not getting that. You could have got all the other shit and not got the bathtub.
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Well, can I make the only argument for it being not for that? Und ich denke, es war so ein Moment, wo jeder darüber gesprochen hat. Es war ein sehr, gut oder schlecht, die Leute waren so, hast du das Sehen gesehen? Das ist, warum Pablo das Sehen gesagt hat. Ich habe nur das andere Sehen gesehen, aber du kannst nicht das Grab kaufen. Well, I mean...
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Kyle Harvey sagte, es sei ein Stück Geschichte. Okay. Das Bathtub hatte TikTok für Tage. Das ist verrückt. Das ist verrückt. Es ist verrückt, weil ich weiß, dass du es nicht gelesen hast.
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Du weißt, dass ich es nicht gelesen habe. Ich wusste nicht mal, ob ich es gelesen habe.
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Es ist verrückt, dass du sofort mit dem selben Entschuldigung kamst, mit dem ein gewissen Sexpervert kam.
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Was soll ich dir sagen?
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Right off the top.
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Is there anything you guys would want to own from any of your favorite shows or movies? Is there a severance object that you would like? So there are some options here. Just because I know, for instance, our friend David Samson here at Metal Ark Media. Shout out to my buddy Dave. Davy Samson!
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Mr. Samson! My man! Oh, eine Geschichte, die ich dir erzählen kann, Dave.
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Mein Gott, haben wir Zeit? Er kauft den FedEx-Box von Castaway.
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Was zur Hölle? Das ist wie Darren Revell.
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Es ist nicht anders als Darren Revell. Er kauft den Pocket Watch von Castaway.
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Okay, wir haben hier einen echten Castaway-Vibe.
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He doesn't have Wilson.
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There's no way he's got Wilson.
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He does not have Wilson, but God knows he would love to have Wilson.
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Helen Hunt was his wife in Castaway? I've wiped that from my memory completely. Girlfriend. Oh, I'm so sorry. Not to put any pressure on them.
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Whenever they're ready. David Sampson also owns Will Ferrell's hospital gown. From Stranger Than Fiction. Wow.
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Stranger Than Fiction. Certainly not in Will Ferrell's top five?
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I don't know.
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I liked it too, but I'm still like, that's not what I would have guessed.
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You're not thinking, it's not the first thing that comes to mind.
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No, and I would argue even the soccer one comes to mind before this.
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And that's how well you know what that one is, that you call it the soccer one.
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And what is it, Kicking and Screaming?
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That's right.
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It's a pretty low-key good movie. And I say low-key, because I'm young. Let's go to the next.
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Speaking of not being young, he owns the teddy bear from M.A.S.H. This is Radar's Teddy Bear.
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I'm too young to know what that is.
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This is so dick.
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It's a show that they make seem like it's like a Broadway show, but it travels.
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Too young to know what that is. I mean...
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Look at that. It looks, I would say, vaguely terrifying.
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Yeah, I do feel like I had a teddy bear that kind of looked like that with the weird mouth.
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That teddy bear does look like it's been drowning in the salt burn tub.
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Okay, why do we got to go back to it?
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Why do we got to go back to it?
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Is there an HR I can hit up on my way out here? There is definitively not. I feel I'm being bullied.
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Oh mein Gott, es ist so milky.
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Ich sollte auch sagen, dass ich das Video auch nicht sehen möchte. Danke.
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Das ist nicht nur eine Sache von mir. Ich bin so froh, dass mein T-Shirt gigantisch ist.
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Wir werden es nicht mehr spielen.
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Ich habe es nicht mehr gespielt.
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It's that noise.
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You hear the noise and you're like... I'm going to have a Pavlovian shiver response. A Pavlovian. Oh my God. Oh God.
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That is operated by the Falun Gong religious movement.
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What did we find out today?
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As usual, nothing.
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Katie. As usual, nothing. You always claim that you found out nothing. And Pablo Torre finds out a show about finding out stuff. And you inevitably do realize at some point, we found out so much today. So much. Such as.
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That's right. Oh, oh. And I looked into that because I heard somebody say randomly, because Dan and I see these commercials all the time because they run during Jeopardy. Und so sind wir immer so, was ist das? Vielleicht sollten wir irgendwann hierher gehen. Denken, es ist wie jede andere Performance, die durch New York kommt. Und ich habe es gesehen.
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Son of a God. I found out. Son of a. Isn't the safe space I thought it was. I found out I'm not safe here.
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I would like to have us edit into Michael Cruz-Cain's severance scene footage of Michael Cruz-Cain talking on this episode that Adam Scott is watching. Can we do that? Put it in the TV? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want this episode to be in the TV that Adam Scott is turning off.
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And his head is blocking...
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My head is still locked.
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Even in this. Us two are on the side that you can see.
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Ben's still gonna listen to this episode of this podcast, call you guys and be like, it would be funny if you blocked his head. That would be funny if you did that.
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Turns off the TV with the remote.
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Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller-Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our Studio Engineering by RG Systems, our Sound Design by NGW Post, our Theme Song, as always, is by John Bravo, and we will talk to you next time.
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Es kam irgendwo in einem Subreddit, von jemandem, der erklärte, wie es kultbasiert war. Und es schockierte mich. Und ich war so, Dan, ich denke, etwas könnte mit dem kommen. Und dann habe ich es angeschaut. Und es ist ein bisschen...
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I mean, it's the Los Angeles Times, 2020. Quote, both Shen Yun and Epoch Times are funded and operated by members of Falun Gong, a controversial spiritual group that was banned by China's government in 1999. And it goes on to describe an organization that has claimed that aliens started invading human minds in the beginning of the 20th century.
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Leading to mass corruption and the invention of computers, which would make sense. Wouldn't it?
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Has this table moved? Oh! Am I that spatially unaware?
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The chairs are new?
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Or are you having a moment?
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The chairs are new.
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Where did you come from?
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A conference?
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Yes, a lanyard from work.
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Okay, f*** it, relax, dude.
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Sorry, we were talking about how I'm dressed like a 12-year-old boy, so if you want to pick up and get a couple of those in. What's on your shirt? It's my friend's podcast. This is the best hockey podcast on earth. It's called What Chaos? It's my friends Pete and DJ, and I love it. And they have great merch, and it's like high-quality merch, which, tough to get these days.
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What size is that shirt?
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Es ist überschätzt, weil sie einen zu Dan auch gesendet haben. Und ich habe ihn zu Dan gezeigt und er hat gesagt, ich kann keine Schuhe, die so überschätzt sind. Und ich habe gesagt, weißt du was, ich denke nicht, dass ich das auch kann, aber ich werde es. Es ist cool. Und ich versuche, wir waren alle, ich dachte, ich werde es versuchen.
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Ich sah cool, es zu tragen, aber ich sehe, dass du cool bist. Here's the problem. I was getting dressed to run out the door. I was ready to go. And Dan's like, oh, you're going to do a podcast? You want some of this bold? I was like, yeah. And then I just stood there looking in the mirror and I was like, what are you going to wear?
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And you're like, this t-shirt isn't large enough.
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I was like, what are you going to wear? And I was like, I don't know, let's just wear this. And I walked in before I left and I said, hey, you got me high at the wrong time. Is it okay to go outside in this outfit? And he was like, what? Yeah, totally. I could tell he said it scared. And now, you know, anyway. How's everybody doing?
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We have fun. At the end of the day, what we do is have fun.
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Okay, let's do two things. Number one, spoiler alert, we're going to talk about Severance. But number two, I would like to set up how it is that we all realized we should be talking about Severance today. We have been podcasting and watching a show which we love and are obsessed with to varying subreddit depths with a guy.
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Oh yeah, that's so, I freaked out when I realized.
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Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017 Tough to buy that guy is just a regular guy in that world. You know what I mean? He must be a movie star in this world. Honest compliment.
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Ich habe die Rolle des TV-Manns verabschiedet, der über die Verschmutzungsprozedur diskutiert hat. Ja. Los geht's. Wirklich.
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Legitim. Gute Punkte. Du warst auf der rechten Seite der Geschichte, glaube ich. Ich bin nicht sicher, wir sind noch nicht fertig, aber ich glaube. Und lass mich auch sagen.
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Dass, weil alles in diesem Show intentionell ist und jeder Schuss, den wir sehen, vorsichtig betrachtet wird, I would say my interpretation of your face being hidden by Mark S. 's face is that perhaps you are actually the protagonist.
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Yes. Of... Severance. Severance, the show. Well, I'm not allowed to talk about that, but yes, I am the star of Severance.
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That's why I didn't think we were going to podcast, because I was like, you mean with the...
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Genügend Frage. Wenn du... War es eine Audition? Wie bekommst du die Rolle?
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Wie funktioniert das?
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Gute Frage. Fantastisch. Also hier ist, wie es funktioniert. Ich habe für... Ich erinnere mich nicht, welche Rolle. Ich möchte sagen, die Zack-Cherry-Rolle. Dylan, ist das der Charakter?
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Ja. I think I auditioned for that role. And then gradually, not getting that role, auditioned for smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller roles. I think that, this one, I don't even know if I auditioned for it. They just might have been like, well, we gotta throw this f***ing guy something. And so then, there I was.
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My dad would do the free AOL CDs. And so we had to get new screen names every like two weeks. Because once he used the free hours, he would like make a whole new account. Yeah, he would get them in the mail. He would like actively go out and seek them.
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Again, if I can spin, if I may.
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Yeah, please, spin.
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They liked you so much, they wrote a role specifically to use you.
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That seems extremely, I mean, profoundly unlikely.
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They kept bringing you back.
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It's a lot of, it's a lot of, no, not for this. Not for that. You know what he could be right? No, not for that.
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But for this. You do have a name. Do I? Do you not know your own name?
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I don't know. Oh, you know what?
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I thought this because you mentioned it in the group text and you did not react to it in a way that I was like, I don't know if he even knows that's his character's name.
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I might have just gone over my head completely.
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And if it was your name, that'd be a tough thing for it to do.
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You got Severance from your own Severance.
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I might have been Severance while I was there. Oh my God. He doesn't know his own name.
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They make every actor do that.
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Steven. Steven! Oh yeah, I could feel that.
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I definitely could feel that.
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I can go back to that place.
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Now that I remember.
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I can go back to that place.
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I did feel Steven-ish while we were shooting it. Yeah, I mean.
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Future president.
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Steven. Steven-ish Smith.
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Let's stay on track. Okay. Episode 3, first season, Steven. Steven. What do you mean?
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V. You should know.
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What does it feel like?
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Feels V. What's your motivation?
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It's V, isn't it? I could tell it was V. You're damn right.
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God, he knows. He really studies this stuff.
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Like the corner of two walls in a hallway.
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That's right. Spoiler, there are walls in Severance.
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We should have said that ahead of time.
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And hallways.
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Guys, there's something else that's not really on track. I don't believe in spoilers. I just don't believe in it.
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What does that mean?
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It came out at whatever time it came out. If you didn't watch it then, f*** you, dude. That's it.
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No, but I think warning people who aren't normally tuning into this for that.
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That's on them.
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Just warning them that up until that certain... And people are gonna be mad too because they're gonna wanna hear the podcast. But you just gotta prepare for that. I would like to talk to my friends about the show that I like.
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At a certain point, the AOL free trial CDs were a certain form of currency.
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I would like to remove the spoiler alert that we gave before, because so far we haven't spoiled anything.
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I think we did, didn't I?
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Stephen is huge. Are you kidding me?
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You showed the scene with Stephen? What did Stephen... Actually, I do have a question.
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Would you have the answer if I asked it?
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Almost definitely not.
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In the clip. Das Ding, worum du dich traurig fühlst, wie du es erinnerst, ich bin sicher, Entschuldigung, ich will es nicht erklären.
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Ehrlich gesagt, ich habe es nicht erinnert. Ich habe jemanden gesehen, die mir diesen Clip gesendet hat, also bin ich etwas erfreut.
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Ich meine, wirklich, Saison 1 war so lange hervorragend.
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Es ist verrückt. Ja, es war 2022.
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Es war so lange hervorragend. Februar 25, 2022 war, als wir Steven gesehen haben.
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Ja, ich war so, Alter, ich kann nicht zurückgehen. Ich muss zurückgehen.
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Aber ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass ich dich damals kennengelernt habe, also sollte ich dich das erste Mal gesehen haben und ich bin mir leid, dass ich es nicht gemacht habe. Okay, danke. Ich habe gewartet auf diese Entschuldigung.
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Ich weiß, ich konnte es fühlen. Ähm.
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Yes. Oh man, my dad had that system figured out. And I was like, hey dad, so this is kind of like a social thing and my name keeps changing. It's getting tough for me out here. Please, can we just... And then they came out with AIM, which was the best. You didn't have to do all the other stuff with the chat rooms. You could just do...
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Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
What was I f***ing talking about so passionately?
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Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
You had a question? You had a question.
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You're talking about a woman who is pregnant, who got, after a company activated severance or allowed severance, a month later, a woman got pregnant at work.
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And you're arguing that like, how could you possibly be saying this is ethical? Yes, big ethical problem. A month later, this girl got, lady got pregnant.
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And my question was, does that imply, and this is probably a stupid question, but I'm not afraid to ask it, does that imply that other companies that aren't just Lumen are also using severance at their companies, letting their workers be severed? Or did we already know that and I should have? But it feels like he works at Lumen.
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So it's like if other companies are also doing severance, that means he's at like the headquarters of what's Ja, genau.
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Nein! Oh mein Gott, es ist so milky.
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I assumed the one company, but I should say to you with extreme clarity, I do not know shit. And you know what? Me neither. Even possibly less than you know. So what did you know when you were... playing the role that we just watched. Borderline nothing. I knew what I had read of the scripts, which were not massive amounts from previous auditions and like the basic premise of the show.
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From trying to be Zach Cherry. From trying to be increasingly larger or increasingly smaller characters. I see where this fits. Exactly. And it was super nice and easy breezy.
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Were you actually talking to that person?
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That person was very close to me, physically. We weren't, it's like green screened, I think, probably, whatever it is. She becomes a big character. Yeah, she does. And when I met her, I sort of assumed that we were roughly the same tier of person.
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Yeah, fair enough. Because I didn't... You were like, oh, we're both kind of just here for a little bit.
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Yeah. And I think looking, now seeing her like in every episode. How does that feel? Feels great. Because you know what? I'm happy for her. That's right. And I do not, I have never experienced envy or jealousy in my life.
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Me neither. What even is that? Sorry, you said envy.
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The two letters.
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That's right.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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Adam Scott obskuring your face for a large chunk of that. Both poetic and also to the person whose face got obscured. It was hilarious.
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Are you asking me? Yeah, that's a good one.
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That's how a question sounds.
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I remember when warning debuted as a feature. Remember when you could warn people on AAM? No.
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I did think that it was hilarious. Because it was kind of a thing where... I would laugh at that. It's so funny visually because you're our friend. Again, having come in for increasingly smaller and smaller roles. You get the script and you're like, oh wow, this is actually like... There's actually a decent amount of stuff. So funny.
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It's not like a huge roll or anything, but there's like a lot of lines. That's so funny. And you watch it, and they're like, wow, they really found a way.
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I'm seeing me, but I'm hearing my voice, but I'm blurry. Okay, but surely, there's she, there she is. Okay.
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We're seeing a lot of her. That's nice. This feels not accidental. The blocking of this scene seems very deliberate. It does feel vaguely prankish.
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Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
Did you piss off... Ben Stiller at any point in your career. I don't think so.
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He was so nice. Would you like to say anything to Ben while you have a microphone? No. I would only say, sure, you've done such a wonderful job. And if you ever needed that character to recur, I could see a lot of ways in which it would work. The fans are demanding.
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Fans are demanding. I'm that deep in the subreddit.
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They call them the Stevedores. Those are the ones who are really pushing for more Steven.
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So to go back to the subreddit. I'm not on the subreddit at all, by the way.
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Good. And again, that kind of goes back to what I'm saying. I don't even really recommend it. Because if you go too deep, I just think sometimes it's a little too much about trying to get every little... I zoomed in on this and I checked on it. And it's like, some of that is there so that you can appreciate it upon revisiting.
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But I remember next to nothing about my life. So please, tell me about it.
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Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne
If you get through... What a blessing to get through a TV show and go like... Let me take another spin at that, because that was really interesting. And then have your viewership enhanced.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
I knew you was going to say no. And I'm not sorry.
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
So first of all, y'all love these little cups. Aren't they so cute? We have these little heart-shaped cups. And this one is going to be called the Queen of Hearts. Okay, we have our girls on the couch, Galentine's theme. So this one we have, you can choose whichever spirit of choice you like. We have our cranberry juice.
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
We have a little bit of strawberry puree inside, some agave, a little bit of lemon juice. We topped it with some blood orange and a little bit of ginger as well. And then inside, there's some garnish with either some basil, some strawberries. I kind of just did like a medley and changed it up for everybody. So-
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
This is the queen of hearts, and if you want more recipes like this, you can cop our So Mixy calendar that we just dropped.
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You can get that on www.somixy.com. Cheers, y'all.
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Right, so that's why you need to use BetterHelp, because it's time to stop focusing on the negatives and start focusing on the positives. So therapy will help you with that.
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Elise? You be all over the house? I slept in the bed.
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
So even if you're single, you don't want to be?
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Yes, with hers, you can lose up to nine pounds in your first month, y'all.
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Where the dick at? You don't want to see me? Well, that's the thing.
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Why do you make that face? No, because Lauren is in the house.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
We're live in here. Lauren just got here. She's like, I miss my Bill. I really did do that on the way here. I miss my Bill. Girl!
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Because I feel like when I have a... Why are you... What the fuck?
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
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We will be. What is wrong with you? Don't eat me up like that. Dre ain't never showed up in a t-shirt. No, she did one time.
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
And y'all wasn't in a relationship. See, now you're doing... You making different rules. No, no, no. I'm not.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Right, you can put him in a... What's that Google? What's that Google? Facebook is wild.
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Her plate was fixed in the kitchen. I don't know what y'all ordered. Three thighs and two drumsticks. Dance for me. Divvy up what y'all got. And it was two wings left. She was so mad. I knew y'all was going to bring up the Pollo Tropical story.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Pollo Tropical. Because I don't even remember the name. I had some with my boyfriend. He was like, nigga, I'll never forget that time you ate that Pollo Tropical. I was tripping. I don't know what it is about that place. We got Pollo Compero. If y'all got a Pollo chicken, use code Lauren.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
So, Lauren gets first of all, she makes this biggest fucking plate.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
It was too wingful. Y'all should have ordered something. She literally, she mad at us. Damn, Elise, I'm mad at you. I'm mad at you.
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Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
You was in the kitchen, in your swimsuit with your plate. And you was eating tuna.
Pour Minds Podcast
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No, Jazz is like, she tries to be the mediator. She's always, she's like, her plate is so cool.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
A breast, a wing, a thigh, a drumstick. I said... Rice, plantains, tortillas.
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Got into a fight. That's why, because you pulled up afterwards because you took her home. Oh, I did. Was this the night with Ash? Yes.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
I was like, my friend Ash. Ash had to run. He did. It was the night.
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See what y'all don't know about him is that I can't let him go because he needs me.
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I know you see him bugging most of the time, but I know he being tired. He don't mean it.
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I'm your girl. You my girl. We your girls. Don't you know that I love you. Hey. Hey.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
I'm your girl, we're your girls. Don't you know that I love you?
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Interessanterweise ist, dass wir diese AI-Tools auch für die Zusammenfassung von Jahresgesprächen oder Quartalsgesprächen inzwischen nutzen. Wir nutzen das für Erstellung von unserem V2Marm. Also das ist bei uns ein Konzept, wo wir unsere Unternehmensvision und Ziele, die wir haben, runterbrechen auf einzelne Methoden. Könnt ihr mal nachgucken.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Das ist eine recht verbreitete Art, quasi Zielsetzungen oder OKRs zu machen. Und das ist inzwischen auch AI unterstützt. Das war immer schwierig. Da musste man sich durcharbeiten durch den Text. Was hat der Chef geschrieben? Was ist für mich anwendbar?
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und da hilft AI echt großartig und ist auch für mich als Führungskraft dann natürlich eine gute Möglichkeit, mir das anzugucken, nochmal neue Digitalisierung Dinge reinzubringen und überall da, wo Sprache im Einsatz ist, wo Worte im Einsatz sind, ist es eigentlich ein großartiger Helfer. Und das muss ich mir auch mal wieder ins Gedächtnis rufen.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Man ist so in seinem Rhythmus drin und dann irgendwann denkt man so, ah, okay, ich glaube, ich muss mal einen anderen Weg gehen gerade.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Dann gibt es natürlich bei uns auch aufgrund der Größe und weil wir ein börsennotiertes Unternehmen sind, einiges an Vorgaben, was Data Security, Data Privacy angeht und da gab es recht schnell auch Regeln, Vorgaben und Richtungsweisungen, was wir halt besser nicht zu tun hatten, zum Beispiel Kundendaten halt verwenden und das ist für Presets natürlich schon mal
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Da muss ich ehrlicherweise sagen, nein. Also für mich persönlich ist es so, ich hatte auch so meine Aha-Erlebnisse an der einen oder anderen Stelle. Und ich glaube, das ist so der erste Punkt, dass man im Rahmen eines Trainings oder Enablements die Leute an solche Aha-Erlebnisse heranführt.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
dass sie merken, da sitzt eine Maschine letztendlich und ja, es gibt Halluzinationen und trau nicht dem, was das Ding dir ausspuckt.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und ich glaube, wie im Straßenverkehr, man kann viel in einem Buch nachlesen und irgendwie ankreuztest und so, aber wenn du an der Kante vom Bürgersteig stehst und der LKW rauscht mit fünf Zentimeter an dir vorbei, dann verstehst du, dass es sinnvoll ist, einen Schritt zurück zu gehen. wenn du an der Ampel wartest.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und ich glaube, diese Erlebnisse, die braucht es manchmal, damit man so das Verständnis bekommt. Bei mir war das so, ich habe quasi für einen Vortrag, brauchte ich eine Biografie. Typischerweise bist du dann gefragt als Speaker, erzähl mal was über dich, vier Sätze bitte. 200 Zeilen sind erlaubt. Und ich war sehr faul und habe gesagt,
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Chat-TPT, bau mir mal einen Speaker, Bio, 200 Zahlen über Philipp Schöne. Und dann hat er es mir erzählt, ich würde bei der München Re-Arbeiten und der Risikoanalyse. Und ich dachte, wie kommt das denn jetzt da drauf? Und habe versucht, dem System beizubringen, dass das nicht stimmt. Und es war sehr überzeugend davon, dass das die hundertprozentige Antwort ist.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und das war so ein Moment, wo ich gedacht habe, okay, jetzt... Das ist doch nur eine Maschine, die da auf der anderen Seite ist. Und Software hat halt ihre Problemchen. Und Mess ist ja auch, wenn man einen Code nutzt.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Teilweise kommt was raus, du packst es rein, es kommt sofort ein Fehler, wo man eigentlich erwarten würde, du bist doch ein Computer, du lieferst mir doch jetzt hoffentlich überprüften Code und nicht einen Vorschlag, wo du dann im Nachhinein sagst, oh, tut mir leid. Also es kommt ja quasi dann sogar ein, oh, tut mir leid. Also da hat man ja...
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
haben die Entwickler eine sehr menschliche Komponente eingebaut. Das ist, glaube ich, auch so ein bisschen die Schwierigkeit, dass wir Menschen das nicht mehr so unterscheiden können. Das ist eine sehr unterbewusste Sache, aber ich glaube, uns wird vorgegaukelt, dass da quasi ein Mensch sitzt, der sich dann auch noch entschuldigt und so.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Ja, ich glaube, wir müssen die Leute in gewisser Weise da heranführen und trainieren und sie müssen diese Erlebnisse haben. Und ja, natürlich wird es mal einen Fehler geben. Natürlich wird man mal mit einer Annahme reingehen und haut dann irgendwie einen raus, wo man sich einen Industry Point of View gezogen hat und dann sagt der Kunde, das ist ja totaler Quatsch, warum sie das denn her?
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und vielleicht ist es dann ein guter Moment zu sagen, wissen Sie, ich habe mich versucht zu informieren und nimmt das dann einfach mal als Anekdote auf und guckt mal, wie der andere reagiert. Weil ich glaube, das macht es dann am Ende des Tages auch menschlich in gewisser Weise.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Eine sehr, sehr relevante Geschichte, wenn ich mir jetzt vorstelle, ich möchte einen RFX vielleicht mit einem KI-Tool bearbeiten, möchte irgendwie da eine Zusammenfassung bekommen, dann muss ich schon mal drüber nachdenken, ob das kundenbezogene Daten sind und sehr wahrscheinlich sind es die.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Der Abschluss von PII, also persönlichen Informationen, Kundendaten natürlich und auch Intellectual Property Risiken. generieren. Und da ist natürlich, wir als US-Software-Unternehmen sind da sehr sensibel. Unser Legal-Team ist da sehr sensibel. Unser Business-Technology-Team ist da sehr sensibel. Und da gab es sehr schnell Ansagen, was zu tun und was zu lassen ist.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und zurzeit ist das so, ich werde immer wieder gefragt, ich möchte gerne einen API-Key haben für AI-Maschine ABC. Und in dem Moment muss ich immer darauf verweisen, dass wir internen Freigabeprozesse haben. Die IT guckt sich alle dieser Tools an. Die haben da auch eine Taskforce, die das priorisiert anguckt. Nicht alle Tools sind erlaubt.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Teilweise sind die nur erlaubt für Einzelpersonen, also nicht in der breiten Masse. Was ja auch ein Thema ist, da wachsen schnell die Begehrlichkeiten. Da sind die über 70.000 Mitarbeiter. Wenn der eine Kollege hat sich jetzt auf dieses Übersetzen spezialisiert, Hat er eine Lizenz dafür? Brauchen fünf andere Leute diese Lizenz auch? Da mache ich mal ein Fragezeichen dran.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und dann kann ich diese eine Person sensibilisieren und sagen, bitte so und so dich verhalten und unter diesen und jenen Voraussetzungen. Es ist natürlich auch so, dass in dem Moment, wo du das einschränkst, die Leute, die sich damit auseinandersetzen, die haben die Begehrlichkeiten. Und die haben die Begehrlichkeiten ja auch aus einem Grund.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und da ist die Linie halt sehr, da wird es schnell grau und da muss man dann schon gucken. Aber es sind alle hier trainiert, es müssen alle ihre Security-Trainings regelmäßig durchführen. Und natürlich gibt es in der IT diverse Maßnahmen, um Dinge zu monitoren, zu blocken und dann auch die Leute nochmal darauf hinzuweisen. Und ich glaube auch, dass es wahrscheinlich in Zukunft noch Maßnahmen gibt.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und in diesem Kontext haben wir uns überlegt, wir müssen irgendwie gucken, dass wir die Einzelaufwände der Leute betrachten. Und wir haben ein paar bei uns in der Truppe, die wirklich innovativ unterwegs waren, die richtig coole Ideen hatten, wie wir das in die Breite der Organisation bekommen. Und es ist natürlich auch so, dass wir viele unterschiedliche Skillsets haben. Also ich kann...
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Vor Jahren war Phishing noch ein Riesenthema. Heute verschicken die IT-Abteilungen Phishing-E-Mails, um zu gucken, ob die Mitarbeiter darauf passend generieren. Wer weiß, vielleicht gibt es in Zukunft... Irgendwelche Methoden, um zu gucken, ob die Leute richtig mit den Daten in der KI umgehen, könnte ich mir durchaus vorstellen, einfach um die Leute dahingehend zu sensibilisieren.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und das ist auch kein Geheimnis, viele der großen Unternehmen haben halt Verträge abgeschlossen mit Google, mit Amazon, teilweise auch mit OpenAI, um entsprechendes Handling dieser Informationen abzuschließen. zu regeln und auch zu regeln, was passiert, wenn Informationen dahingehend abfließen sollten, Löschmöglichkeiten etc.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und ich glaube, das ist was, das passiert so ein bisschen im Hintergrund an einigen Stellen, dass sich quasi die großen Unternehmen einfach die Klausel als Papier in die Schublade legen, um die dann im Fall der Fälle ziehen zu können. Ja, ich glaube, das ist auch so ein bisschen ein tip für jemanden, der im Mittelstand unterwegs ist oder der in Deutschland dahingehend unterwegs ist.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Guckt euch das gut an. Es gibt rechtliche Mittelständler, ist abzusichern, informiert euch da und dann seid ihr mit Sicherheit auf einer sicheren Seite und könnt solche AI-Tools auch nutzen. Und es gibt, wie du sagst, es gibt so viele und wenn man den Leuten nichts zur Verfügung stellt, werden sie sich was suchen. Davon bin ich fest überzeugt.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Wenn ich anfange, ja, OpenAI zu blocken, dann werden die Leute suchen sich Jasper oder wie auch immer die Dinger heißen an anderen Stellen und benutzen das, weil der Produktivitäts- Zuwachs ist doch in vielen Stellen signifikant und ich glaube, viele unterschätzen gerade so in den deutschen Büros, was da so an repetitiven Aufgaben da ist und was für Möglichkeiten es da gibt.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Da kann ich nur appellieren, das sind Presets vielleicht nicht so, aber außerhalb kann ich immer nur appellieren, setzt euch damit auseinander, weil sonst machen es die Leute für euch.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Also wir haben die Diskussion ganz konkret. Es gibt bei uns ein Team aus einem anderen Bereich, was einen vierstündigen Kurs für Prompt Engineering gebaut hat, für Pre-Sales. Und der ist bei uns intern abrufbar. Den kann sich jeder quasi ziehen und kann dann halt da durchgehen. Wir haben ja selber eine
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Eine Trainingsplattform, die wir verkaufen, die nutzen wir natürlich auch intern und da ist dieser Kurs halt verfügbar. Und eine der Aufforderungen halt in diesem Team für AI und Produktivität war halt, guckt euch dieses Promptraining mal an, macht das Promptraining, damit ihr überhaupt wisst, von was ihr redet.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Heute, wenn ich auf mein Team gucke, nicht erwarten, dass jeder einen super Prompt schreibt. Das ist einfach nicht der Fall. Dafür sind die Leute nicht ausgebildet. Der eine oder andere hat ein persönliches Interesse. Dann gibt es mal ein kleines Training hier oder da. Aber das wäre vermessen, wenn ich jetzt...
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Auch die Leute, die gefühlt einen guten Umgang damit haben, einfach um auch einschätzen zu können, wie gut ist der Kurs, macht das Sinn, können wir was rausnehmen, können wir was reinpacken. packen, was für uns spezifischer ist. Es waren sehr generische Beispiele drin. Und das ist natürlich ein Weg, den wir hier nutzen, um die Leute zu enablen.
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Jetzt ist so ein 4-Stunden-Kurs mit Video und Text ist jetzt vielleicht nicht für jeden was. Ich habe jetzt gerade vor ein paar Tagen diskutiert, ob wir eventuell eine sehr kondensierte Variante machen für die breite Masse, die in Form eines Videos oder Webinars verfügbar ist, um einfach den Leuten so ein
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wie soll man sagen, so einen Appetizer zu geben und dann auch das Interesse zu wecken und so ein paar grundsätzliche Themen einfach anzusprechen, um zu gucken, dass wir einfach die Basis in der Masse auf so ein gewisses Level bekommen. Bei mir im Team haben wir immer wieder die Möglichkeit auszutauschen mit meinem Kollegen, der ist sehr aktiv, der hat quasi jedes Jahr
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Subject-Meta-Expert, das ist der Eugen bei uns in der Truppe und der experimentiert da viel rum, hat auch ein paar sehr, sehr coole und kreative Ergebnisse erzeugt und zum Beispiel im Rahmen einer Messe hat er da KI-generierte Bilder, haben wir auf Tassen gedruckt, war eine super Geschichte, ist super bei den Kunden angekommen.
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Der erzählt halt immer wieder so, okay, was habe ich für Ergebnisse erlangt, wo sieht er Probleme, wo sieht er Grenzen und dann gehen wir auch in den Dialog und wenn ein Kollege mal eine Frage hat und eine Kollegin sagt, Können wir eigentlich das so und so machen? Dann sagt er, ja, ich teste das mal aus und ich melde mich.
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Weil er sich natürlich das Instrumentarium einfach wesentlich besser beherrscht. Und dann da teilweise auch einfach Beißhemmung da ist, sich da jetzt reinzuknien und das rauszufurbeln. Dann sagt er, ah, okay, sag mir mal, was du machen möchtest. Ich gucke mal, ob das schon möglich ist und mit welchen Mitteln.
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Und so haben wir im Team bei uns auch so einen Raum geschaffen, einfach um diesen Austausch zu ermöglichen. Und ich glaube, das ist auch so ein guter Schritt, auch bei, egal in welcher Teamgröße, einfach mal auf die Agenda zu setzen und mal zu hören, wo sind denn die Leute? Wo sind denn auch die Sorgen der Leute teilweise? Wir hatten eine Diskussion an anderer Stelle, die Ängste zu nehmen.
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Wenn ich jetzt höre, da arbeitet ein Tool auf einmal 20, 30 Prozent schneller. Das gibt es seit anderthalb Jahren oder jetzt seit zwei Jahren vielleicht demnächst. Und dann sagt jemand, oh Mist, wenn das in der Geschwindigkeit weitergibt, wie wird sich dann meine Jobrolle verändern? Und auch diesen Teil zu adressieren, das darf man ja auch nicht unterschätzen. Wie ändert sich der Pre-Sales-Job?
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Was für Skills muss ich auf einmal mitbringen? Wird das auf einmal ein wichtiger Skill? Ich würde sagen, ja, ganz klar. Das ist ein wichtiger Skill in Zukunft, sich damit auseinanderzusetzen. Und dadurch wird sich auch inhaltlich was ändern im Pre-Sales-Job. Also wo liegen die Schwerpunkte im Presets in der Zukunft? Das wird sich in gewisser Weise verschieben.
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Und da wird auch AI, genau wie in anderen Bereichen, und KI wird einen Einfluss haben. Und wissen wir da schon alles?
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mich hinstelle im Team-Meeting und sage, so, ab nächster Woche machen jetzt hier alle mit unseren AI-Tools diese, jene, solche Aufgabe.
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Ich würde ihn auf jeden Fall fragen. Also ich würde ihn fragen. Ich gucke bei Einstellungsgesprächen immer so ein bisschen in das Intellectual Curiosity. Und ich würde vor allen Dingen über den Weg fragen wollen, wie setzt sich die Person mit neuen Inhalten auseinander? Also wie bist du da rangegangen?
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Mir geht es gar nicht so sehr um die Ergebnisse, sondern was hast du für eine Einstellung zum Lernen von neuen Inhalten? Und das wäre das, was das bei mir triggern würde. Das würde ich fragen. Ob die Person jetzt das gut machen kann oder nicht. Also Prompt-Engineering kann man aus meiner Perspektive trainieren. Genauso wie wir Software trainieren können.
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Und meistens sind Software-Firmen sehr gut da drin, technische Inhalte zu vermitteln. Und von daher habe ich da auch keine Sorge, dass wir in der Lage sind, Prompt-Engineering gut zu trainieren oder gute Tools zu haben, die das uns abnehmen. Die Bibliothek, da reden wir in sechs Monaten, vielleicht in zwölf Monaten nicht mehr drüber, weil es dann irgendwo ein Tool gibt, was uns das abnimmt.
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Jetzt fallen uns noch die Haare aus, aber das wird irgendwann erledigt werden. Was ich meine ist, du kannst ja die Einstellung der Pre-Seller nicht ändern. Oder es ist sehr schwierig, die Einstellung zu ändern. Und ich gucke gerade bei Einstellungsprozessen und bei Bewerbungsgesprächen auf die Einstellung der Leute und wie sie auf gewisse Themen blicken. Und das ist mir wichtig.
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Ob da Prompt-Engineering steht oder nicht, ist mir verhältnismäßig egal. Aber ich würde das als Trigger nehmen. Das ist für mich ein Hook, um die Leute zu befragen. Von daher kann ich die Sorge ein bisschen rausnehmen, dass jetzt jeder prompt Engineering in seinem CV reinschreiben muss.
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Aber natürlich ist es ein guter Skill und vielleicht auch ein guter Punkt, um im Gespräch mal zu zeigen, dass man sich mit einem Thema auseinandergesetzt hat, was gerade aktuell ist und sehr dynamisch ist. Und das qualifiziert einen mit Sicherheit für das eine oder andere, gerade wenn ich mich in einem Startup bewerbe oder auch in einem Business. großen Unternehmen.
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Das heißt, ich muss auch ein bisschen gucken, wie bringe ich meine Organisation denn dahin, dass sie das vernünftig nutzen kann, dass sie sich damit sicher fühlen, dass sie auch wissen, was sind die Einschränkungen seitens des Unternehmens und sich da in einem Bereich aufhalten, wo sich das Unternehmen mit wohlfühlt und wo sich auch der Mitarbeiter mit wohlfühlt.
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Das Beispiel von autonomen Agenten kann ich nur unterschreiben und unterstreichen. Es gibt auf der Google-Entwicklerkonferenz in diesem Jahr im Frühjahr gab es ein Szenario, wo das sehr eloquent gezeigt wurde für den Bereich Travel, für den Bereich Healthcare. Kann ich nur empfehlen, sich das anzugucken.
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Sehr coole Keynote und ja, wo du aus einer Consumer-Perspektive die Möglichkeit hast, eine komplexe Aufgabe abzugeben und dann mehrere an einen Agenten und der hat mehrere Subagenten, die für ihn das erledigen.
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So und wenn wir das jetzt weiter spinnen, da gucke ich so ein bisschen in die B2B-Perspektive, wir sind ja im B2B-Software-Vertrieb hier, kann ich mir gut vorstellen, dass es in Zukunft für, jetzt muss ich eine Einschränkung machen, für Commodity-Produkte Dinge gibt, die Agenten miteinander aushandeln und verkaufen werden. Ich nehme jetzt vielleicht mal das Beispiel Schrauben.
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Jetzt springen mir demnächst die Leute von Hilti und Würth in den Nacken und sagen, nein, wir haben Spezialkrodukte oder Sicherungen oder Papier oder weiß der Henker was. Also für Dinge des täglichen Bedarfs glaube ich schon, dass ein latentes Risiko besteht, dass der Vertriebler, der das macht und aushandelt, sich irgendwann mal einen neuen Job suchen muss, weil Agenten das übernehmen werden.
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Und ich glaube, das hat eine ganz klare Konsequenz für die Preseller. Wir müssen gucken, dass wir jeder für sich in einem Bereich ist, der weiterhin komplex ist. Das heißt, wir müssen ein komplexes Softwareprodukt haben, was eine Erklärung bedarf, wo es eine kreative Schaffens- und Erklärungslösung und Leistung benötigt. Und ich glaube, da ist ein bisschen der Sweet-Spot,
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Und deshalb haben wir diese Arbeitsgruppe gegründet. Bei uns nennt sich das dann Strategic Initiative. Und das ist eine Gruppe von Leuten aus unterschiedlichen Teams, aus unterschiedlichen Ländern. Und wir sind jetzt dabei, so die ersten Arbeitspakete zu definieren, um dann halt einen Mehrwert für uns zu liefern.
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Und da ist das, wo weiterhin Pre-Sales den Mehrwert liefern kann und wo auch Sales den Mehrwert liefern kann. Das betrifft ja nicht nur uns als Pre-Seller, sondern ich glaube vor allem, dass die Seller auch, dass man auf der Stelle erstmal guckt und sagt, oh, wie können wir denn eventuell da Preisverhandlungen automatisieren?
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Wie können wir das mit dem Pitchen besser und einfacher machen, dass da der Faktor Mensch schneller in Anführungsstrichen wegrationalisiert werden soll? Weil das doch immer so ein bisschen eine Kenngröße ist, die Schwierigkeiten macht. Und die Ängste sind im Team sehr gemischt.
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Also es gibt Leute, die sagen, oh mein Gott, und es gibt Leute, die sagen, ja, aber wenn ich jetzt so die Halluzination sehe und in welcher Geschwindigkeit das geht, dann warten wir mal ab und so der Hype und bla bla bla. Also es gibt sehr unterschiedliche Perspektiven darauf und ich versuche den Leuten das immer als Chance zu vermitteln.
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zu sagen, guck mal, es gab schon viele Wendepunkte in der IT, die du vielleicht mitgemacht hast. Ich persönlich habe mitbekommen, wie das iPhone auf den Markt kam und habe das für mich nicht als Risiko erachtet. Ich habe irgendwann mal als Exchange-Administrator angefangen nach meiner Ausbildung.
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Ich glaube, Exchange-Administratoren, also E-Mail-Administratoren, gibt es nicht mehr so viele, weil sich das Thema komplett geändert hat. Für alle, die in der IT unterwegs sind, ist eines klar, so wie wir angefangen haben, werden wir den Job nicht beenden.
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Das heißt, wenn ich in Rente gehe, mache ich wahrscheinlich nicht das, mit dem ich angefangen habe und dieses offene Mindset, sich zu erhalten, immer wieder zu gucken, rechts und links, was gibt es Neues und sich damit kritisch auseinanderzusetzen. Ich glaube, das ist ein Skill, der ist wichtig und das versuche ich den Leuten immer wieder ins Gedächtnis zu rufen.
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seid keine Sachbearbeiter hier, in dem Sinne. Wenn ihr euch so versteht, dann ist Pre-Sales wahrscheinlich, dann werdet ihr mit Pre-Sales eine Menge Probleme bekommen. Also für euch persönlich, weil der Job wird euch Dinge abfordern, die ihr so nicht auf dem Zettel hattet. Und das wird, weiß ich nicht, ob das heute passiert, morgen, übermorgen, nächstes Jahr, nächste Woche, aber es wird passieren.
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Irgendwann kommt was, was wir nicht auf dem Radar hatten und dann müssen wir uns mit auseinandersetzen.
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Und wie das so ist, wir haben natürlich auch andere Gruppen innerhalb des Unternehmens, die sich mit ähnlichen Dingen auseinandersetzen. Und mit denen sind wir auch in Kommunikation und gucken, was die produzieren. Und wir wollen natürlich auch gucken, dass wir nicht Sachen doppelt und dreifach machen. Das ist dann ja vielleicht nicht so sinnvoll.
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Ich glaube, wir haben einen großen Vorteil und das unterschätzen viele. Wir sitzen an der Quelle. Wir kriegen diese Dinge mit. Wir sind die Ersten, die sie sehen. Das ist ein unschätzbarer Vorteil, den wir haben. Wir können diese Dinge schon sehen.
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Vielleicht erkennen wir nicht in Gänze, was die Auswirkungen sind, aber es ist eine gute Möglichkeit, sich damit auseinanderzusetzen, zu experimentieren. Vielleicht auch mal an einer Stelle take it easy zu machen und dann später zu sagen, okay, jetzt merke ich jetzt, Geht das Ganze in den Hype?
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Also jetzt kommt es aus dem Hype heraus, jetzt wird es wirklich produktiv, jetzt muss ich mal die Ärmel hochkrempeln und ran und dann mich damit auseinanderzusetzen. Also ich glaube schon, dass wir da als Pre-Seller eine gute Möglichkeit haben, gerade in der IT. Ich glaube auch nicht, dass wir so schnell arbeitslos werden, kann ich mir nicht vorstellen dafür.
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ist das, was wir oder was die meisten Unternehmen machen, zu erklärungswürdig und zu komplex und an vielen Stellen dann auch sehr divers. Und ja, lebt das, geht da drauf ein und arbeitet an den Skills. Das ist so mein Call to Action.
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Sehr gerne und jederzeit wieder auch vielleicht zu einem anderen Thema.
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Da sind wir Stand heute noch nicht. Also wir sind, es gibt natürlich innerhalb von Salesforce einen Teil, der sich quasi mit der Produktivität von Pre-Sales auseinandersetzt und das aber sehr generisch ausrollt, auch alle Teams.
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Und natürlich gibt es von unserer IT oder Business Technology heißt das Team, Initiativen, die AI-Tools generell verfügbar machen und zum Beispiel einen AI-Bot, den jeder nutzen kann, der entsprechende Policies versehen ist und den ich dann nutzen kann, um Prompts zu machen, Fragen zu stellen etc., eins der Tools, was wir nutzen können.
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Und diese Arbeitsgruppe bezieht sich erstmal nur auf Microsoft.
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Und wir gucken natürlich so ein bisschen in den Pre-Sales-Teil rein, aber wir gucken vor allen Dingen auch, was für uns rausfällt, was für unsere Tools eventuell interessant ist, wo ich einem Pre-Seller helfen kann, in einem Pre-Sale-Cycle bei einer Evaluation oder bei einem POC eventuell schneller zu werden, bei einer Demo schneller zu werden, was aber einen sehr spezifischen Kontext für unser Produkt hat und unsere Lösung, die wir anbieten.
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Also es gibt ganz viele Themen. E-Mails schreiben. Am Anfang ging es natürlich los. Wir haben hier, also mein Team ist natürlich deutschsprachig. Viele unserer Inhalte sind englischsprachig. Das heißt, das ist ein Übersetzungsthema. Teilweise Dinge nachgucken, Antworten finden. Wir nutzen hier Slack. auch ein Kommunikationstool, was zum Konzern gehört.
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Und da gibt es inzwischen auch AI-Fähigkeiten, die einfach Artikel zusammenfassen. Das heißt, ich kann eine relativ generische Frage stellen. Und das haben die Techniker häufig mal. Der Kunde aus dem Kontext heraus kommt mit einer Frage, könnt ihr Feature XYZ umsetzen oder technische Anforderungen? So und so geht das mit eurem Produkt.
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So, und da prasselt auf den Preseller was ein, wo er sich das heute hart erarbeiten muss. Er muss Dokumentation lesen, eventuell das ausprobieren, etc., etc. Und es ist sehr wahrscheinlich, dass irgendjemand anders diese Frage schon mal gestellt hat, die aber in irgendeinem Slack-Kanal drin ist von vor drei Jahren.
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So, und entweder kann man sehr gut suchen, aber da helfen natürlich die AI-Tools heute so ein Ergebnis. sehr schnell zu präsentieren und dann mit den entsprechenden Verweisen darauf zu sagen, so und so ist die Antwort, das sind die drei Artikel. Das war eine Sache, die haben wir hier sehr schnell heben können, E-Mails schreiben. Wir hatten mehr Hoffnung in Bezug auf Präsentationen, ehrlicherweise.
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Es ist ganz spannend, wenn ich mit einigen der Pre-Seller spreche, dann reden die davon, dass sie häufig so Admin-Aufwände haben. Und Admin-Aufwand ist halt Kompilieren von Präsentationen aus unterschiedlichen Quellen immer mal wieder. Animationen. Ich möchte Google sagen, mach mal eine Animation zwischen den Slides und so. Da sind wir bisher auch leider noch nicht.
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Da merkt man auch, das ist so ein Thema, wo die Leute gerne reinwollen würden. Was wir gemerkt haben, was super funktioniert, ist Debuggen von Code. Keine Überraschung, haben wir immer wieder. Wir können sehr einfach mal eine Demo-Applikation bauen, die vielleicht auch nicht in unserer nativen Sprache gebaut ist.
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Wir haben hier einen Kollegen, der hat relativ wenig JavaScript-Kenntnisse und hat sich mit der GPT und unserem internen Bot dann halt eine Demo-App gebaut, die gegen eine unserer APIs gelaufen ist und konnte das schön in einem Szenario für den Kunden zeigen. Der Kunde fand das total super oder für eine Messe. Und so kommt man zu Ergebnissen, die man vielleicht vorher, wenn man sehr viel
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Kalorien verbraucht hätte, um da hinzukommen und hat eine echte Beschleunigung. Das Ding ist, das sind so diese Inseln und wir versuchen jetzt im Grunde eine Landkarte über diese Inseln zu bauen so ein bisschen und einzusammeln, wo sind denn diese low-hanging fruits, wo sind denn Bereiche, die gut funktionieren, um das halt für alle nutzbar zu machen und auch allen Leuten die Ideen zu geben.
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Ich habe eben gerade mit einem Kollegen telefoniert, wo es um das Thema Training geht. Und da haben wir gesagt, naja, eigentlich könnten wir einen Bot bauen, der diese Trainingsfragen beantwortet, vortrainiert und dann Leute gegen diesen Bot laufen lassen. Haben wir bisher noch gar nicht so drüber nachgedacht, ist aber nicht unwahrscheinlich.
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Und in der Kombination aus internem Inhalt und dem Inhalt aus dem Public Internet, wie funktionieren gewisse Standardthemen im Bereich IT, werden wir wahrscheinlich sehr gute Ergebnisse erreichen können. Also auch das ist was, wo wir...
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ebenso gegrübelt haben, dass wenn wir jetzt ausprobieren, einfach für Enablement for Sales oder auch BDRs einen Bot zu bauen, mit dem man sich unterhalten kann, wo man schnell eine Frage eintippt, während man in einem Discovery Call ist und eine relativ adäquate Antwort bekommt oder eine kurze Antwort, die einem das zurückspiegelt. Du lachst, aber teilweise sind die Dinge sehr naheliegend.
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Und für mich ist es auch immer wieder erschreckend, wie wenig wir uns dem bewusst sind, was es eigentlich alles kann. Und das ist das, wo wir dann immer wieder merken, ah, da gibt es noch was zu entdecken und da gibt es noch was zu entdecken. Und ich sehe das auch eher so ein bisschen als Reise. Also das ist...
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Wir werden eine Menge Dinge noch in der Zukunft sehen. Von daher sind wir sehr gespannt. Also low-hanging fruits, E-Mails schreiben, Code-Generierung, Code-Korrigieren, Dinge erklären, APIs erzeugen.
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Ja, also es ist natürlich immer so, wir sind ein großes Team, um das mal so ein bisschen einzuordnen. Ich habe bei mir alleine eine Organisation, 17 Leute, die sich mit meinem Bereich auseinandersetzen, also Automation, Integration, alles rund um Microsoft, nur für Deutschland. Weltweit sind das für Newsoft so um die 400 Leute.
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Also das sind so die Themen, die quasi für die Einzelpersonen geholfen haben. Wir haben eine andere Geschichte. Wir haben einen Kollegen bei uns in einem anderen Teil der Organisation, der hat ein KI-Tool genutzt, um Übersetzungen zu machen und Demo-Videos zu übersetzen. Ich erinnere mich, es gab eine Folge mit, wir haben uns hingesetzt und 100 Demo-Videos gebaut.
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Wir haben das Problem, dass wir in vielen Sprachen unterwegs sein müssen, jetzt nicht in Deutschland, aber wir kriegen viel Content aus dem Ausland und haben das dann nicht auf Deutsch und wir sind durchaus viele Mittelstand und der eine oder andere hat da so gewisse Beißhemmungen, das ist auch alles verständlich und wir können dann natürlich unseren Beitrag zu leisten, indem wir den Inhalt übersetzen.
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PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und der Clemens, Gruß an dieser Stelle, hat ein Tool genutzt, um das zu transkripieren, umzusetzen in eine andere Sprache, hat das KI-Modell inzwischen auch angereichert mit Sprachdaten von ihm und die letzten Videos und Audiodateien, die ich von ihm bekommen habe, weil ich gedacht habe, er ruft mich an.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Es war wirklich erschreckend gut und die nächste Stufe war jetzt quasi auch Lippensynchronisation von einem Kollegen, der, also man sieht, der kommt aus dem asiatischen Raum, hat asiatische Wurzeln, er spricht ein lupenreines Deutsch. Das ist dann schon für manche Leute etwas irritierend, aber das ist die Realität und du kannst es nicht erkennen.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Du kannst es so gut wie nicht erkennen, dass das mit R gemacht wurde. Der Aufwand ist minimal. So haben wir eine Riesenskalierbarkeit,
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Auf den Videos kriegen wir sehr hochqualitativen Content, den wir ausspielen können, wo der Talktrack vernünftig strukturiert ist, die Demo ordentlich strukturiert ist und das ist natürlich was, was für mich als Führungskraft spannend ist, weil ich kriege eine Wiederholbarkeit rein an der Stelle.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Ich muss jetzt nicht hergehen und sagen, guck dir mal das Video an, mach die Demo nochmal auf Deutsch oder sprich das in Deutsch ein und dann passt das nicht und dann hat der Kollege hustet dreimal. Natürlich habe ich eine gewisse Authentizität, da braucht man nicht drüber reden.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Wenn ich erkenne den Peter oder den Klaus oder wer auch immer aus meinem Team oder die Maria, da habe ich natürlich nochmal eine ganz andere Möglichkeit mit solchen Tools.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Also das war auch eine Sache, die uns am Anfang, wo wir echt die Haare zu Berge gestanden haben und nach Hindenbeck geflogen sind, wir gedacht haben, wow, okay, da ist ein Riesenhebel und da können wir richtig Zeit sparen, wenn wir das richtig machen.
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PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Ja, klar. Also vor allen Dingen mit Zug auf Kreativität. Also ich bin von meiner Persönlichkeit, wenn du Leute um mich herum fragst, also jemand, der sehr strukturiert ist, der mit Zahlen, Daten, Fakten arbeitet, mir fehlt manchmal einfach so ein bisschen das Kreativitätsgehen. Und da ist so ein LLM eine gute Hilfe. Wir machen hier immer mal wieder in den Teammeetings so Wasserstandsabfragen.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Wie geht es den Kollegen? Wie war das Wochenende? Wie fühlt ihr euch gerade? Und wir garnieren das ganz gerne auch mal mit einer netten Frage zu anderen Themen. Wohin fahrt ihr dieses Jahr in den Urlaub? Was sind gute Tipps für runterkommen nach einem stressigen Demotag und so? Und irgendwann gehen einem die Fragen aus. Das ist einfach ganz normal. Ich bin ja auch nur ein Mensch.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und natürlich war der Hype groß, als hier diverse KI- und AI-Tools auf den Markt kamen. Es waren alle begeistert und wollten ausprobieren. Und dann kommt so ein bisschen, wie immer, das Valley of Despair nennen wir das. Der Desillusionierungsphase, wo alle so, okay, was mache ich damit jetzt? Ich habe tolle Tools und irgendwie müssen wir da strukturiert dran.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und da kann man dann so ein LLM mal befragen und sagt, gib mir mal drei gute Fragen, um so ein bisschen die Stimmung im Team aufzulockern. Und dann kriegst du einfach mal eine Antwort. Oder wir hatten gestern das Beispiel, wie organisiere ich so eine Prompt-Bibliothek am besten? Wir haben über AI gesprochen. Wir schreiben hier, die Kollegen fangen jetzt an, Prompts zu schreiben.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Einige funktionieren besser, einige funktionieren schlechter. Das müssen wir ja irgendwie abspeichern und vielleicht ein Bewertungssystem dahinterlegen und katalogisieren. Wie macht man denn das? Wie kriegt man denn Feedback von den Leuten rein? Das sind so lauter Aspekte, über die man dann nachdenkt.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Und auch das kannst du eintippen und dann sagt dir das LLM, ah, guck mal hier, das sind die fünf Schritte, die ich so vorschlagen würde. Dann denkt man drüber nach so, ja, okay, das vielleicht, das habe ich schon gewusst. Das Zweite, da habe ich noch nicht so drüber nachgedacht. Also man kriegt einfach mehr, ja, du kriegst so eine 100-Prozent-Antwort, in Anführungsstrichen.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Du hast eine größere Abdeckung von dem, was du sonst, was dich in deinem Alltag erwartet. Und natürlich auch ich nutze das zum E-Mails schreiben, Texte zusammenfassen, Ich habe viel mit Führungskräften zu tun aus unterschiedlichen Branchen und nein, ich weiß nicht, was der Fokus eines Laborherstellers im Bereich Süddeutschland ist, der gerade irgendwie spezielle optische Geräte herstellt.
PreSales Unleashed | Sales Engineering im B2B Software Vertrieb
PreSales, das übernimmt die KI - Mit Philipp Schöne (188)
Muss ich mich einlesen. Ist einfach so, habe ich nichts zu tun. Ich bin vielleicht ein bisschen näher an den Automobilern dran, historisch gesehen. Und da kann man sich natürlich auch schon mal schnell ein Briefing holen vor so einem Call und sich informieren lassen und einfach für Research das nutzen. Das hilft mir natürlich auch, ganz klar.
Red Web
Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Es ist so, ich weiß nicht, es ist wirklich interessant, dass die Regierung das so ernst nimmt.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Aber wenn es sich um Spezialitäten handelt... Ich weiß nicht. Weißt du, da gibt es Leute, die Minen lesen können, weißt du? Mhm. Aber sie versuchen, Informationen aus dir herauszufinden. Ich wundere mich, aber dann würde das die Regierung dazu befreien, also... Ich weiß nicht, das ist sehr interessant.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ich möchte nur da sitzen und sehen, wie die Regierung es ansieht und wie die Minereader es ansieht, auch. Ich weiß nicht, wie die Minereader es mit aller Ernst ansieht. Es ist mehr so wie... Was tut die Regierung, um das zu filteren? Weißt du?
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Oh yeah, you gotta have some kind of filter process. There's gonna be people that are just gonna want to get in there just to cause a ruckus. That's just the way it is.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
I don't know where I stand with, like, say a different opposing government is testing mind control and they're getting somewhere, even in the slightest. Like, do I want my country to also be on that path in retaliation, you know? Mm-hmm.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Wir wollen alle in etwas so glauben. Ich meine, ich mache es für besser oder für schlimmer, bis ich es komplett vergesse. Aber es ist so, dass ich ein Skeptiker bin, weißt du? Ja. Und mit so etwas, denke ich, egal was, auch wenn es hinter geschlossenen Türen war, war es komplett erfolgreich. Es werden immer Leute sein, die es sagen, weißt du? Oh, ja. Es wird immer jemand sein, der sagt,
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
weit skeptisch ist oder es viel zu einfach glaubt und einfach vollständig oder vollständig dagegen geht. Das ist einfach die Natur von allem. Ich falle auf das Camp von, ich brauche ein bisschen mehr. Ich brauche ein bisschen mehr.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ich sitze hier nicht so, als wäre es ein Verlust von Zeit, Geld oder so etwas, aber ich bin so, ich möchte, dass du zurückgehst und ein bisschen mehr kochst und siehst, was aus dem Ofen kommt.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Es ist hart, es ist schwierig, weil dann kommt es zurück zu einer persönlichen Sache, wo es einfach so ist, okay, wenn andere Leute, wenn jemand in meinem Haus mit einem Feuerarm sein wird, sollte ich einen Feuerarm in Retaliation haben. Und dein Feuerarm ist dein Gehirn. Ja. Ja, und so ist es so, was tut die Regierung?
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ich kann das verstehen, weil jeder ein guter Instinkt hat. Aber dann, als es sich umsetzt, verändert sich der Zeitraum, richtig? 100 Prozent. Zuerst fühlst du dich in einem Weg, und dann fühlst du dich plötzlich komplett anders. Oder die Schwierigkeiten von allem, was dazwischen ist.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Es ist so, ich will nicht, dass die Regierung das tut, aber dann, wenn es andere Leute sind, ist es einfach so schwierig, eine Wahl zu machen. Weißt du, was ich meine? Ich glaube nicht, dass es so ist, weil es so ist, dass es so ist, dass es so ist, dass es so ist, dass es so ist, dass es so ist, dass es so ist, dass es so ist, dass es so ist, dass es so ist, Ich weiß nicht.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja, ich meine, ich versuche hier ein paar Löcher zu öffnen, wenn es möglich ist. Richtig, genau. Und wie viele Werte haben wir vorher geschaut? Es war so, das ist der eine. Schau, sie haben ihn. Also, du könntest es definitiv zu einem gewissen Niveau vergrößern. Aber trotzdem war das überraschend nah. Ich meine, es ist ein massiver Ort.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Da ist sicher etwas drin. Ich würde gerne die Konsistenz über eine andere Zeit sehen. Ja, absolut.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Es ist, es ist. Es ist beeindruckend, aber es ist, weißt du, sehr kryptisch. Ja, warum sind wir so kryptisch darüber? Ich meine, es ist nicht so, als ob wir die Fanfare brauchen oder so etwas. Ja, das ist, wo ich, was ist sein Name?
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja, sie fühlen es aus, bis jemand sagt, ja, und dann sagst du, ja. Ja, ja, da ist sie.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
And also like, you know, they're they're they're trying to like fish out information. But then again, you I was like I was talking about earlier, you think that Die Regierung würde sich daran erinnern oder die Leute würden sich daran erinnern und dann einfach sagen, okay, was wird hier aus mir gefischt? Ja. Mit den kleinen Hinweisen, die ich habe.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Du würdest gerne denken, dass sie klüger als das sind, um sich zu verletzen. Oh, ich fühle etwas. Ich sehe etwas. Oh, ist es das?
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja, es ist wie... Ich weiß nicht, ich meine, einfach so komplett blind zu gehen, weißt du? Ja. Die Remote View, es ist einfach, ich meine, vielleicht ist es da, weißt du, vielleicht ist da jemand, der etwas sehen kann, das wir nicht können, ähm, du weißt, etwas senden, das wir nicht können, aber es ist einfach wild für mich, die Theorie von einfach, weißt du, Sachen zu drücken, Remote Viewing.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja. Wir haben den anderen mit den Ringen gesehen. Warum würden wir nicht diesen sehen? Weißt du, was ich meine?
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Also vielleicht sind wir das jetzt. Ich bin einfach so sicher. Okay, okay, Distanz lesen. Okay, sicher, Freund. Es ist einfach so, dass du weißt, dass es eine Sache ist, wo es später normal ist oder bestimmte Leute haben diese Fähigkeit. Ich weiß nicht.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja, es ist der Weltraum. Ich meine, ich denke, es wäre ein beruflicher Wunsch, nicht wahr? Wie jemand, der Theorien über die verschiedenen Planeten lernt und so weiter. Ja, ich weiß, weil wir natürlich Theorien hatten, bevor es beobachtet wurde.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja, da gibt es einen Raum für Schmerzen. Und ich denke, das ist genau das, worauf ich lehne, wo es einfach so ist. Sie haben Bücher gelesen, sie haben Theorien gesehen und dann haben sie einen Blick darauf genommen.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Es ist Brainstellungs-VR, weißt du? Das ist zu viel. Weil du weißt, dass Leute es versuchen, es für andere Dinge zu nutzen. Leute versuchen es so schnell zu nutzen.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Auch die besten Moral-Tests, weißt du was ich meine, können einfach korruptiert werden.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ich meine, wie viele Leute haben wir mit der Verantwortung zu, der Autorität zu, und dann plötzlich einfach so, oh nein, du hast diese Macht verletzt. Oder du hast es nicht richtig gemacht.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
So this is like the base that he envisioned?
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Yeah, I mean, it's got the whole entire layout of the base. And then that does look like a peel.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ich finde es sehr interessant. Ich fühle mich, als wäre das etwas, das jetzt ein Ding ist. Weißt du, was ich meine? Ich fühle mich, als würde ich ein Millionen Tests machen. Hier ist ein hundert remote Viewings von etwas, das auf der anderen Seite dieses Walls ist. Und sie sehen, wie exakt das ist. Ja, absolut. Nicht zu sagen, dass sie das nicht gemacht haben.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja, das könnte es sein. Oh Mann, ich will es nur glauben, aber es ist so... Ich weiß es nicht.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja, da bist du. Just copy, deal or no deal. Seriously. Even then, I'm sensing a big number. And he just whittles it down. Sensing an even bigger number. Okay, I'm sensing a smallest number.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
That's a million dollars. Damn it. Okay, you're out. You gotta get out of here. That guy's out of here.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ich meine, ich kann definitiv Frequenzen messen sehen. Ich meine, ich meine, schau dir das letzte Episode an, das wir gemacht haben. Du weißt, wir haben darüber gesprochen, war es Crickets? Eine der Theorien war Crickets. Crickets. Ja, absolut. Es verursacht viele physische Probleme.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja, ich meine, es ist eine Sache, weil ich das sehen kann. Ich fühle mich, als wäre es mehr eine Sensation als etwas anderes. Und du fühlst etwas und dann fließt dein Geist einfach in es hinein. Ja, es ist interessant.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ich meine, das ist das, was du denken würdest, richtig? Ich weiß nicht, ob sie es einfach komplett übergeben haben. Es könnte nur zwei Leute sein und sie haben einige Ressourcen und versuchen, das Ganze herauszufinden. Aber... Yeah, I mean, remote viewing is just such a wild theory. And I mean, who's to say that there might just be some kind of mutant gene that triggers within people.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ich meine, es ist total wert, es zu erforschen, auch wenn es nichts in Bezug auf Beweise oder Beweise gibt. Ich meine, schau dir die Filme an. Wir bezahlen, um eine Stunde und eine halbe unserer Zeit zu sitzen, um diese Geschichten zu sehen, die von Dingen, die noch mehr weit entfernt sind, basieren. True. And I just don't think it takes it down a notch at all whatsoever.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, in some way, shape or form, people evolve. I think we will evolve. Yeah. At least in a mental capacity, I feel like.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
physisch, ich weiß nicht, es könnte sein, als wäre Wall-E in Schuhen sitzen und sich nur umdrehen, oh nein, ja, ich fühle mich, als ob Leute sitzen können und nur diese Schuhe sehr manövrierbar sein können und einfach in verschiedene Dinge docken, um Dinge zu helfen, ich weiß nicht, oh Gott, viele Leute würden, viele Leute würden das wählen, nur die Idee, du sagst, ich bin in etwas docken, um etwas Aktivität zu machen oder etwas, ich bin einfach so, oh, ich habe einen
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Äh, take a crack at it. Yeah, get out there. Cost you real hard. Try and find something. I don't know, in Area 51.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
I think it's definitely worth exploring. I mean, look at UFOs. Do we really have any evidence of that? You know what I mean?
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
We got these blurry pictures and video footage of something in the sky and yet everyone's heavily involved in it. Yeah, and it's not going to stop me from wanting it.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Ja, ich denke, es ist einer dieser Dinge, wo ich nicht weiß, wie es nie voll entlastet werden wird, weil sie vielleicht irgendwo hinbekommen und dann ist es ein Tod, aber es ist immer noch irgendwo. Mhm, ja, sie wissen den richtigen Weg, sie sind nur am Anfang davon und haben seitdem keinen Prozess gemacht. Ich weiß nicht. Ja, wenn sie den ganzen Tag darauf achten.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Aber ja, ich weiß nicht, es ist die Regierung, jede Regierung. Es ist einfach so, ja, wir werden dir nicht alles erzählen.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Weil man darüber reden kann, ohne jemanden zu verabschieden.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Oh boy, okay, I'm sure this is a project that people heard and have talked about, but it makes me think about the projects that are going on right now, the different government agencies across the world that we don't know about, that are just unfortunate. Yep. Ja, ich weiß nicht. Ich weiß nicht.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Oh wow, das ist ziemlich gut. Gräber auf der linken Seite, Gräber auf der rechten Seite. Der linke hat einen dickeren Stamm, der rechte hat mehr von einem wie ein Viney-Stamm.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Es gibt wahrscheinlich verschiedene Teile der Technologie, die getestet werden, die der Welt nicht bereit oder bereit ist, die Wissen ihrer Existenz zu wissen. Und das bringt mich in diese Mindset.
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Stargate Project | Did the CIA Train Psychic Spies?
Das ist viel für sie. Ich weiß nicht. Ich meine, ich glaube, du willst es auf eine gewisse Art und Weise ernst nehmen. Weißt du, was ich meine? Du willst es nicht halbieren. Aber es ist einfach wild, wenn du sagst, ja, wir haben eine Menge Minderhörer geholt. Und das ist ihr Arbeit, um Minderhörer zu lesen.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
There's a lot of people who are self-diagnosing. And I'm like, no, she's just late and she's a pain. And when I arrange to have a coffee with her, she needs to turn up and not tell me, oh, it's my ADHD. No, you're late, mate.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
It really feels like it's gone from 1% to like 50%. Right. You know, when you look at some friendship groups. But it's not that extreme. It's really not. It's not that extreme. It has been going up, but that could easily be explained by more awareness from both doctors and patients. Yeah. Yeah.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
Tell me about this dalliance with two other theories around the ADHD brain.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
They'll say, I know what I need to do, but I just don't do it. So what good is talking with you about it going to do me or that I haven't read already? And my answer to that is, I think I'm pretty good at helping people understand how they don't do things. Not just, oh, you procrastinated again. Try harder next time not to procrastinate.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
Procrastivity is avoiding a higher priority, more important task by doing some lower priority task, a chore or whatnot, but that is self-defeating because then the more important task doesn't get done.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
I think that day or like the day before we said, OK, so how are you going to do this? She said, I got a long day in lab. I'm going to come home. I have the article. I just need to read through it to a couple of slides. It doesn't have to be anything big. And if I do it right away when I get home, I'm good for the next day.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
I got home and I thought about doing it. But my first thought then was, I'm going to bake a cake. No! She liked cooking shows. I'm going to bake a cake.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
And then she said, and I'm diabetic. I can't eat the cake. I wanted to make it. I knew it. But it wasn't like I had a neighbor to give it to or a nephew. I wanted to do it. But it makes no sense that I did that instead. And probably took longer doing that.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
Let's just say right now you procrastinate four times out of five. And if we can get that to three out of five, you're still procrastinating. But if we invented a medication with those results, we're billionaires. Most people will get better. Some people not as better as they would have hoped to have been. Okay, so...
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
That is something I would view as credible. Now, has there been a randomized controlled design saying, hey, we tried this and not? No, but this is one of these, if you will, commonsensical that it can help anybody. Right. I think it's probably the basis of personal training at a gym. Oh, I should be able to walk in here and do all the machines.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
But if Lars over here tells me to get on the treadmill, I do. I love that you use Lars. That's such a personal trainer name. I don't know why. Yeah, it just sounds like one.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
Hopefully, listeners were able to focus for long enough to get to here. If you tuned out for a hot minute or two, let me sum up. All right, so...
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
The six surprising signs that could be signs that you, too, have adult ADHD.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
That one specifically? That one specifically. Let's not look too deeply into that.
Science Vs
ADHD: Do We All Have It?
I just had this memory of when I was at uni and I was studying in the library and I really wanted to finish studying. And I peed myself.
Smart Money Happy Hour with Rachel Cruze and George Kamel
Dave Ramsey Answers Your Most-Asked Questions
How do you do it?
Smart Money Happy Hour with Rachel Cruze and George Kamel
Dave Ramsey Answers Your Most-Asked Questions
How do I do it?
Smart Money Happy Hour with Rachel Cruze and George Kamel
Dave Ramsey Answers Your Most-Asked Questions
That's how we explain it.
Smart Money Happy Hour with Rachel Cruze and George Kamel
Dave Ramsey Answers Your Most-Asked Questions
Yeah.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
Finally, our Nemo Boards shop also makes a good figure on mobile devices. And the illustrations on the boards are now much, much clearer, which is also important to us and what also makes our brand.
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EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
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Finally, our Nemo Boards shop also makes a good figure on mobile devices. And the illustrations on the boards are now much, much clearer, which is also important to us and what also makes our brand.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
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In a nice, loud, clear voice, can you please begin by introducing yourself to the court?
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EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
But how did you first become acquainted with Mr. Lucas?
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EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
Can you describe to the court what pictures are included in that text thread?
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You recognize that image to be Jared Lucas? Yes. Detective Jared Lucas? Yes.
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You testified that he would ask you questions or talk to you about people you were hanging around, correct?
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Did you ever consider yourself at that time a confidential informant?
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You never served as a confidential informant prior to that date?
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Okay, and were you instructed to do anything at that time?
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
Because as you say in your story, you are in fact
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
Why isn't he here? Why isn't he answering none of these questions?
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
So we, this is breaking news. We are extending the contract of Police Chief Paul Oliver three years.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
We are giving him another three-year contract. And I think the reason is simple. He's performed. That's it, right? That's it.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
So Chief Olivera is going to continue to do what he's been doing. He's committed to the city, and I think he's grown into the job, and so I look forward to continued good work.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
Good morning. Good morning. Beautiful day here in Fairhaven. The sun is out. Hopefully you'll get an opportunity to enjoy it today. We have the mayor of New Bedford here in the studio.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
It is very difficult for us to sort of accept any of this stuff on faith, despite the Boston Globe Spotlight team's vaunted reputation. They dubbed the entire city a snitch city. It's obvious why they're doing it, because they want to promote their podcast, they want to promote their reporting. I think it's entirely irresponsible.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
So you're working with Paul Oliveira, and obviously you never detected any of this, or you wouldn't have made him the chief.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
Yeah, no, that's... My experience is... with Paul were entirely positive. And the cases I worked with him on, I found him to be entirely professional. None of these allegations that are in the Boston Globe had any inkling of, and look, the department's gonna dig into those allegations to see whether they hold any water.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
Nevertheless, I don't dismiss what they have to say. I take the allegations seriously, and I think there's a lot—I want people to know that—
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
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Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
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EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
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Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
After going through what I went through, there's nothing about a police officer that I trust.
Spotlight: Snitch City
EPISODE 5: “All this for nothing”
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Suave
Someone's Hand to Hold - Ep. 3
Well, you know what? No, no. Because later on they throw it in your face.
Suave
Someone's Hand to Hold - Ep. 3
And that's when I said to him, I was like, no one treats me this way, Suave. No one.
Suave
Someone's Hand to Hold - Ep. 3
I consider them family. Right. So am I your friend or am I your family? Oh, because I'm intrigued. I mean, is that a question the producers want to know? I want to know. I want to know.
Suave
Someone's Hand to Hold - Ep. 3
And that's when I said to him, I was like, no one treats me this way, Suave. No one.
Suave
Someone's Hand to Hold - Ep. 3
I have never had to burn Bibles. I have never had to burn an American flag. And I damn sure was never with a group of people that stole a goat, sacrificed it in a pagan ritual, and drank its blood. And I did all that in about three days with these guys.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Yo, my grandfather was the man. Seriously. Yeah, well, I don't know how the women would say about that, but...
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
This is my first time here in 45 years. So this is like, wow, to see where he passed. And this is where my mother grew up, people. This is where the history started. This is why we're here.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Soon enough, the conversation turns to Suave's mother, Saro. The family seems hesitant to want to share too much about her. But they do land on the fact that she, much like Suave and her father, well, she was a free spirit. They tell us that Suave's mom fell in love pretty easily.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
While Maria and I cringe a little bit, Suave doesn't really seem upset to hear his mom describe this way. Actually, he seems to take it with really good humor.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
They've been in a bit of a rough patch since the whole car situation. But honestly, even before. But this? It's a trip that's supposed to be about healing for Suave. About reconnecting and helping Suave reunite with his family there. And frankly, Suave doesn't sound very interested in patching things up.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
There was a school for girls, when the moms couldn't control it, and they put her there. So, every Sunday, my grandmother...
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
As we look over old photos, we learn that Suave's mom was sent to a live-in school for troubled children when she was only 11.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Like Suave, she was essentially locked away in her teens. They say that she lived at the school full-time. Millie even recalls visiting her on Sundays. The rest of the time, Saro was alone, a story that later repeated with Suave, a teenager in another type of cell, but isolated all the same.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Now, she, my mom was liberal. Like, you want to smoke a joint, let's smoke a joint together. She did that. But you told me that your mom actually was using. Yeah, but it wasn't addictive. She used because we want to get high. And, okay, I'm going to get high with y'all. She was a liberal. She let us do what we wanted to do. But she was using heroin? I mean, she got high with us.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
In New York, Ava had little familial support. Besides her sisters and a couple of cousins, the women were all pretty much on the same boat, you know, so everyone did the best that they could to survive. And sometimes those decisions may have been, well, a little misguided.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Mommy always said, to get him out on the street, I better do it here at home.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Suave says his mom would always say, if you're going to do it, I'd rather you do it at home with me.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
And the thing is, she had six kids to take care of all on her own at an especially tough time in New York City in the 70s and 80s. So she did a lot of side hustles. For example, she resold beer out of her apartment.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
And she sold needles for heroin users. And we're talking about the 80s. The 80s when the heroin was cheap and the needles was cheap. And she used to sell the needles for a dollar every day. Yeah. Mommy was a hustler.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
We hear a lot of stories on this day. And the general conclusion for me as an outsider is really just how close this family once was.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Hearing so many stories about his family and how they banded together, Suavez starts to get a little emotional. He has a moment. He's been missing this.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
It wasn't like, well, you're over here, that's your problem. Oh, no. No, we're going over there, we're going to handle that. The problem becomes one for the whole family. And that was the structure with this family here. That no matter if we was in New York, And the Bronx are not. This is our home. This is where we belong.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
You know, Maria, I always remember you telling the story of picking up Suave from prison and how surprised you were that there was no family there and how much Suave would have loved that.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
There's one more thing about Suave's mom that we haven't really talked about yet. Something that was really key to her own existence. Her relationship to spirituality. Suave's mom was a santera, and a lot of Suave's childhood was actually spent watching her do this kind of work, doing offerings, reading people's cards.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
We agree to meet here again in the morning. The next day when we arrive, there's a tiny woman sitting on a couch. She wears a long, flowing, light-colored mumu. Only a wisp of golden hair is visible from beneath her hair wrap. She couldn't have been taller than five feet, but her presence is large.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
From Futuro Studios, this is Suave. I'm Julieta Martinelli. In 2017, David Luis Suave Gonzalez was released from prison after 31 years serving a life sentence without parole. He was one of thousands of juvenile lifers granted a second chance at life. This is a story about life after incarceration and the search for the true meaning of freedom. This is Season 2. On this episode, a homecoming.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Evelyn is the family Santera. Madrina or godmother is what they would call her. She's deeply trusted by Suave's family. And actually, it turns out that Suave's grandfather was also a very respected Santero until his old age. Over the decades of his incarceration, Suave's mom did offerings and prayed to all her saints to get Suave out of prison.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
She would speak to Yemaya, the orisha associated with the ocean, a mother goddess, one mother asking another to bring her son home. And Suárez never really explained to us why he didn't follow his family's spiritual practices. I mean, in prison, Suárez tried a few other things. You know, he read the Bible for a while. He would go to chapel. Then he joined the Nation of Islam.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
But none of it really lasted too long. I think it's clear in this meeting that there's also some hesitation here. But DeSantera says she felt a call to come see him while he's here in PR.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
She asks Suave to go to a back room with her. He hesitates just a moment, then he follows. We're not allowed to record what happens.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
An hour later, Suave walks out. His eyes look a little misty, but he seems relieved. We don't talk about what happened in the room. We chat. We have lunch. This is our last day here. Suave has to return a teaching, and we need to get back to work. Maria asks Millie what she thinks about the reunion.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
After sharing stories and saying goodbyes, I think we're all feeling a little spiritual. Suave is deep in thought. We ask how he feels, and he says he feels at home.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Maria knows exactly where to go. I drive about an hour to Luquillo Beach.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
As we walk down this isolated beach, Suave clutches a water bottle filled with a light pink liquid. It was placed in his hands by Evelyn on the way out. It's a special bath water that she made for him. Jasmine water, rose water, herbs. She prayed over it for peace of mind. This beach feels like the right place for reflection. Here, in this exact spot, the river and the ocean meet.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
This time, it's Suave standing in front of Yemaya, the ocean goddess that Suave's mother prayed to for decades for his protection, for his freedom. Suave is standing in ankle-deep water, exactly at the point where the river and the ocean become one. Maria stands next to him. After this trip, I feel an even deeper sense of empathy for Suave.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
I see the little boy standing in the body of a 6'3 man in front of me. I think that Maria feels this too. I have a feeling that there are things that she wishes she could take back, but sometimes words aren't enough. So I watch her open the bottle, crouch down, and lift one of Suave's feet softly. She begins to pour water from the bottle.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Suave doesn't speak, but he doesn't recoil either. He lets her do it. I can't help but think that washing his feet is Maria's way of making peace, an apology or olive branch of some sort. Right now, their bickering doesn't matter. The car situation doesn't matter. Parole doesn't matter. All the challenges, small and large, in Suave's life recede.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Here he is, a survivor, receiving a blessing in a place where the waters meet. For a single moment, home. Coming up on the final episode of Suave Season 2, Suave Takes Stock.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
I arrive in Puerto Rico before Maria and Suave. I go and I pick up a rental and head to the terminal to pick them up. And everyone seems pretty chill. I mean, it's the high 90s. We're away from work on a beautiful island in the summer. You can't really be too mad at anything.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
I'm freshly new at a prison. Seven years is not a lot of time. And I managed to make it this far. So that got to count for Sunday. There's having a mental breakdown. That's exactly what it was. I was triggered to that point where it's like, man, I'm fucking you up. I'm going to go to jail. But I'm fucking you up.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
For the last month, I've been reluctant to tell Maria, like, yo, I'm going to do this. I already went through the process, doctor, all that shit. It's like, this is it. You do it for everybody else. Now it's time to do it for your own.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
That's next time on Suave. Suave is a production of Futuro Studios. To binge every episode of Suave Season 2 right now, plus exclusive bonus episodes, subscribe to Futuro Plus. The senior producer, reporter, and host is me, Julieta Martinelli. Our associate producer is Liliana Ruiz. We're edited by Marlon Bishop. Our production managers are Jessica Ellis and Nancy Trujillo.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Our post-production producer is Dan Riveros. Scoring and sound design by Stephanie LeBow. Mixing by Stephanie LeBow, Julia Caruso, and JJ Caruven. Our fact checker is Amy Tardif. Production help from Joaquin Kotler, Juan Diego Ramirez, Nicole Rothwell, Joey Del Valle, Evelyn Fajardo-Alvarez, Glorimar Marquez, and Tasha Sandoval.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Our executive producers are Mariano Josa, Luis Suave Gonzalez, Marlon Bishop, and Maria Garcia. Futuro Media was founded by Maria Hinojosa.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Special thanks to Maggie Freeling, Audrey Quinn, Antonia Serejido, Fernanda Echavarri, Neil Rossini, students at the I Am More program at the Community College of Philadelphia, the Abolitionist Law Center, Community Legal Services of Philadelphia, and the Campaign for the Fair Sentencing of Youth. Season 2 of Suave was made possible by the Mellon Foundation.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Mellon makes grants to support the visionaries and communities that unlock the power of the arts and humanities to help connect us all. More at Mellon.org. Season 2 of Suave was made possible in part by Public Welfare Foundation, catalyzing transformative approaches to justice that are community-led, restorative, and racially just.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Before we left, I spoke with you, Maria, and Suave separately, just to try and set aside any tension so we can hopefully just focus on Suave's family.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
It's U.S. laws, Suave. They don't enforce that in Puerto Rico. I don't want to hear that.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
As we ride away from the airport, Suave is enthralled by what he sees out of his window. A bridge dotted with Puerto Rican flags, beachside restaurants and tourists in tiny bikinis, locals and motorcycles blasting music as they pass us on the road. And to our right, endless ocean.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
I'm seeing bougie Puerto Rico people. I'm not endorsing it. But it's beautiful sand, beautiful white sand.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
I didn't come to this part when I came to Puerto Rico with my grandfather. We went to Santusa.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Santurce is a historically working class and a very black part of the capital, with deep history and connection to its African roots. It's actually just a few minutes from the beachfront hotels. Suavez says that's where we're going to be visiting his family. But for now... The water, it's just fun.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Listen, people, I'm wearing green slippers, white pants, white t-shirt, like I've been in the island all my life. But the Yankee had to give it away. I'm going in the water.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Suave pulls out his phone and goes live on TikTok. We can hear him greeting some of his students.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
When the sun sets, we walk back to the hotel. Suave says he's a little nervous about the next morning, seeing what's left of his family. It's just been so long.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
But in Puerto Rico, two people that mean a lot to him still remain, his cousins Pelu and Milly. They're in their 70s and 80s now. They grew up with Suave's mom, and he's really excited to ask them some questions.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
She was a wild child because they used to say she was a little crazy. I guess that's how we came out. You know, she didn't take no for an answer. She went and did it. She won't survive.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Suave's mom may have been troubled, but she was also his biggest fan. She always watched out for Suave.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
My mom just did what the fuck she had to do to keep us alive. And she did well because, guess what? Each and one of my sisters know how to survive. We never went without food. We never went without clothes. You know, there wasn't brand clothes, but we had clothes. There was good times.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
But Suavez says before those days of hustling in the Bronx, she had a whole life in Puerto Rico.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
It's the summer of 2024. I call Suave to check if he's ready for a big trip that we're all supposed to go on soon.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
My mom used to twerk before twerking was good. I'm serious. My mom was that dancing. She had a nice, big booty, and people used to be like, But there was a lot of drama and trauma in her life.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
My mom was like 16 when she had my oldest sister. My oldest sister right now is 63. She had my oldest sister. Then she had the twins. Then she had me and my sister. Then she had my little sister.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
We lived in Puerto Rico for a while. As far as I can remember, I was like seven.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Because of my little sister's father. And I also remember that one time my mom got into a fight with him and he tried to throw my mom out the window.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
But in Puerto Rico, there was always someone there to step in and protect them. It taught Suave that he wasn't alone.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
If you look at my family, the Black side in Puerto Rico, that's who they were. They were survivors. They made it happen. And they stuck together.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
It ain't work. My family's American. It ain't work. With my sister, it didn't work. But that's where I got it from, because my family, when they came from Puerto Rico, they stuck together.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Suave doesn't know much else about his mom's childhood. It's actually one of the big reasons that he's so excited about tomorrow. He's really eager to see Pelú. Pelú's the family elder, the keeper of stories, stories that Suave desperately wants.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
You know, there's gaps in his past that he really would like to fill. And so maybe, could Puerto Rico hold some answers for Suave? The next day finally arrives. As we approach the neighborhood Suave remembers so clearly, he's taken aback by the change. He doesn't recognize his own childhood home. We're like two turns away.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Oh, that's so exciting. I'm excited because Suave, Maria, and I are all about to go on a trip to Puerto Rico together. Suave's first time back since he was a kid. And after everything that's happened with Suave's car, we know he desperately needs a break, a change of scenery. Except at this point, things are a little awkward between him and Maria.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
I know when I was here, when my grandfather, none of this shit was here. It was all casitas. It was all casitas.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
It might be old to them, but it's new in the sense that when I came here 45 years ago, this wasn't here.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
But then we turn into a small alley. An older man walks out into the street, dark skin, tall, wearing colorful beads around his neck. Before I can even park the car, Suave jumps out. I watch them hug and greet behind the steering wheel.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Yeah, and Pelú walks us through an alley to the same house where Suave's family has lived for at least three generations.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
The home is tidy, sparkling clean. There are plants and pictures of smiling faces on the walls. We walk in and sit down in the kitchen, around the round wooden table. Suave's cousin Milly is cooking fried steak. As she talks over the kitchen island, she dips each piece of meat into a bowl of eggs and then breadcrumbs.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
My name comes from my grandfather. My last name is Gonzalez because of my grandfather.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
Suave's grandfather, Julio, was a security guard. For years, he worked at a hospital here in San Juan. But he would fly to New York often, and sometimes he would even bring him back to Puerto Rico. Suave never really knew his own father, but he didn't miss him much because he had Abuelo Julio. He was really kind to Suave.
Suave
A Homecoming - Ep. 6
But it turns comedic immediately when his family reveals that grandpa had a lot of girlfriends. You know, they tell Suave that he never let anyone take his photo because, well, you know, no face, no case. Un enamorado, a lover, until his last moment, they all joke. As Suave hears stories about his grandfather and his adventurous love life, he gets more comfortable. He's smiling year to year.
Suave
Old Head - Ep. 4
He's sick, man. He was sick. He knew he was sick. What's going on? He said he's getting pushed in a wheelchair. He told you? Yeah. I said, why you ain't tell me this before? He said, I thought you knew. I'm 90. I was like, oh, my God.
Suave
Old Head - Ep. 4
Yeah. He said about four years. I said, Frank. He said, I thought you knew. I said, Frank, you never told me.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
I also signed an executive order to ban men from playing in women's sports.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
You can find that same sense of patriotism here in Wyandotte, Michigan, where I'm speaking from tonight. It's a working class town just south of Detroit. President Trump and I both want here in November. It might not seem like it, but plenty of places like this still exist across the United States.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
Places where people believe that if you work hard and play by the rules, you should do well and your kids should do better.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
It reminds me of how I grew up. My dad was a lifelong Republican, my mom a lifelong Democrat.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
But it was never a big deal because we had shared values that were bigger than any one party. We just went through another fraught election season. Americans made it clear that prices are too high and that the government needs to be more responsive to their needs. America wants change. But there's a responsible way to make change and a reckless way.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
And we can make that change without forgetting who we are as a country and as a democracy. So that's what I'm going to lay out tonight. Because whether you're from Wyandotte or Wichita, most Americans share three core beliefs. That the middle class is the engine of our country. That strong national security protects us from harm.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
And that our democracy, no matter how messy, is unparalleled and worth fighting for. Let's start with the economy. Michigan literally invented the middle class, the revolutionary idea that you can work at an auto plant.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
Things we spend the most money on groceries, housing, health care. We need to make more things in America with good-paying union jobs and bring our supply chains back home from places like China.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
Look, the president talked a big game on the economy, but it's always important to read the fine print. So, do his plans actually help Americans get ahead? Not even close. President Trump is trying to deliver an unprecedented giveaway to his billionaire friends. He's on the hunt to find trillions of dollars to pass along to the wealthiest in America.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
And to do that, he's going to make you pay in every part of your life. Grocery and home prices are going up, not down, and he hasn't laid out a credible plan to deal with either of those. His tariffs on allies like Canada will raise prices on energy, lumber, and cars, and start a trade war that will hurt manufacturing and farmers.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
Your premiums and prescriptions will cost more because the math on his proposals doesn't work without going after your health care. Meanwhile, for those keeping score, the national debt is going up, not down. And if he's not careful, he could walk us right into a recession. And one more thing. In order to pay for his plan, he could very well come after your retirement.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
The Social Security, Medicare... Come on.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
The president claims he won't, but Elon Musk just called Social Security the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
Is there anyone in America who is comfortable with him and his gang of 20-year-olds using their own computer servers to poke through your tax returns, your health information, and your bank accounts? No oversight. They're actually using the U.S. Digital Service, which is a branch of the federal government. No card reels on what they do with your private data.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
Mindless firing of people who work to protect our nuclear weapons, keep our planes from crashing, and conduct the research that finds... This is, by the way, what I mean by the press, right?
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
So we've talked about economic security.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
They made a choice to seem normal. They picked someone we never heard of. Yes, that's true. Period.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
But securing the border without actually fixing our broken immigration system is dealing with the symptom and not the disease.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
America is a nation of immigrants. We need a functional system key to the needs of our economy.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
So I look forward to the president's plan on that. Because here's the thing. Today's world is deeply interconnected. Migration, cyber threats, AI, environmental destruction, terrorism.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
We need friends in all corners. And our safety depends on it. President Trump loves to say peace through strength. That's actually a line he stole from Ronald Reagan. But let me tell you, after the spectacle that just took place in the Oval Office last week, Reagan must be rolling in his grave.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
They should have edited this part of the speech.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
Reagan and not Trump in office in the 1980s. Trump would have lost us the Cold War. That is bad. Now I'm sorry we elected him because he would have lost us the Cold War. He doesn't believe we're an exceptional nation.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
America is not perfect, but I stand with the majority of Americans.
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Unparalleled. And I would rather have American leadership over Chinese or Russian leadership any day of the week.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
Because for generations, America has offered something better. Our security and our prosperity, yes, but our democracy, our very system of government, has been the aspiration of the world. And right now, it's at risk.
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Daily Wire Backstage: Trump’s Address to Congress
It's at risk when the president decides you can pick and choose what rules you want to follow, when he ignores court orders and the Constitution itself, or when elected leaders stand by and just let it happen. But it's also at risk when the president pits Americans against each other, when he demonizes those who are different and tells certain people they shouldn't be included.
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The Best One Yet
Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Like the brand?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
We got to ask you about the owl because we have a long list of questions about the owl. But Jack uses Duolingo to keep up with his German, which he studied in college. I use Duolingo particularly before a trip to Italy to catch up on my Italian in the month leading up to it. I'll be walking down the street and someone will hear me say, I am a potato.
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And I'm actually using Duolingo, but I'm saying it in Italian. We were curious, in terms of the different languages people are learning and the cultures where they are learning these, are there differences in terms of what gamification tactics work for people in different countries or learning different languages?
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Welcome, man. Great to have you. Really great to have you. Although, we have been doing extensive research on you for weeks, and we did discover you're a people pleaser. Is that true?
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So what are the words you use to describe the motivations that you try to get your users to have? Like guilt is clearly one of them.
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You'll try to make your user feel guilty that they haven't opened the app in the last seven days. Streak's about to end, Jack. Is there also an inspirational version of that push notification?
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Do you have a network effect or social proof?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Guilty as well. Full disclosure over there, Jack? Have I ever told you the story about why I am, Nick? It's what my dad taught me. Why you're a people pleaser? Yeah. So my dad told me his favorite book growing up was this book by Gail Sayers and it's called I Am Third. It basically says like prioritize your friends and family before you take care of yourself. And so that's how I was raised.
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Before we jump to the mascot, Nick, I just want to point out, I found it wild that Louise volunteered the word addicting.
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Yeah, I know. Because like 39 states' attorneys general are going after Instagram for employing addictive features to their app. I think the TikTok company does not allow the word addictive to be used internally or you're out of there. It's Voldemort over at TikTok.
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However, you're broadcasting it to the world that you're using addictive gamification strategies.
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You're saying it's not other language learning apps. We know you're 12 times bigger than your next closest competitor. They're way behind you.
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I don't want to go full Game of Thrones here, but it feels like you guys are saying you're using the same weapons as the enemy, essentially. You're using dragons as well. You're just using them as a force of good, not a force of evil. I mean, if I could make broccoli addicting, I would find a way to do that for my children. If my teachers made reading books addictive, I would love that.
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I'm on board. You're saying addicting doesn't have to be a bad word, Jack.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
So Luis, in a world now where you see people saying, less screen time, no screens, anti-screens for kids, do you feel like that's a threat or do you feel like there's an exception here that should be carved out for something like an education app?
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Could you share more?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
So it's an operating principle at Duolingo that people will be on their screens all day.
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Let's talk about another product you produce that transcends Global boundaries, borders, barriers, and culture. Which is your mascot? Let's talk mascot strategy here. It's the least techie thing about Duolingo, the mascot. But it might be the most culturally relevant thing that you've accomplished. The unhinged Duolingo owl duo. How did you choose an owl?
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And yes, I'm very concerned with how everyone else is doing. So you're saying it's nurture, it's not nature when it comes to people pleasing. Yeah. But of course we all know the pitfalls of being a people pleaser, right, Luis? Luis, how did your people pleasing begin? The origin story.
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But what made you think as a tech company, we can't think of any tech companies that have a mascot like a sports team, but that's essentially what it is. This is a costume people put on in the office. What made you think you needed a mascot in the first place?
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Embrace the meme.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Go 1-800-GET-LAW-NOW.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
What I love about this is that it has nothing to do with learning a language. This seems completely unrelated. Not entirely.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Well, now I feel I could be very selfish and just ask things of both of you guys.
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The mascot has a talent agent.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Yeah, probably was the reverse of how it started out. You would have paid to be, you know, have Duo the Owl hanging out with Dua Lipa the singer and now it's vice versa. She wants to date Duo the Owl. The old switcheroo.
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Luis, you said that your employees early on were very mission oriented. I'm sure they still are today.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
You did that TED Talk and you told us that wealthy people pay for the Duolingo app so that poor people can use it for free. Why is Duolingo the rare app used by both migrants and MBAs?
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As context with like Netflix or other subscription services, it's a much higher percentage that are paying.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
What's your sugarcoated compliment sandwich, Luis?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Let's be honest. Have you noticed different characteristics between those using your app to learn English and those learning your app for other languages?
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Wow.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Is English the top language in every country?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Yetis, we're about to take a short break and then Luis will announce Duolingo's next big product.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
So Luis, we know your ambitions are so much more than language learning. 2022, you launched math learning. 2023, you launched music learning. We're excited for you to announce your next big product right now on The Best One Yet.
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Learn how to think.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Okay. Well, in the meantime, Luis, I'm in the enviable position of having two guys who are people pleasers on my right and on my left over here. So midway through the interview, I may ask for a sandwich or something.
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Huge congratulations, Luis. Jack and I know how much goes into a product launch. We always say ABLE, always be launching everything. Can you tell us how this began beyond that insight from Guatemala? Like internally as a team, how did you guys build this? How'd you choose chess?
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So you're looking at for something where there are a lot of potential players or a lot of potential users where there's an opportunity to learn and it's going to take a long time to learn.
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Okay. Yeah, so swimming wouldn't work. A lot of people want to swim.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Side hustle it.
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100%.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
How big a bonus are you going to give Tyler and Edward?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Jack, I think I see the owl showing up behind Luis with a checkbook.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Very excited for this, too, because, you know, Jack and I were college roommates, and I believe we started a game of chess once, Jack, where, like, you moved a rook, and then I asked you what rook meant, and then I moved a bishop, and you said, you can't move the bishop like that. I think we never finished that game, so I think we're overdue for this thing.
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I need to get a streak going, Luis. Call it a castle.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Also a great time to launch a chess product.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
I feel like the chess world is getting disrupted right now by technology. There's that new alternative to the World Chess Championship that does random chess. where the board starts just randomly, not the way it's supposed to. And Jack, we've covered other chess companies that have gone viral since the pandemic, which are a little bit more advanced, I think.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
I think those are focused on like your advanced players who want to play more complicated games. So this is kind of like, it looks like you're targeting like an entry point, Luis.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
You see Luis knocking Tyler and Edwin down a peg or two for that bonus conversation.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
He's channeling the owl. You know, Luis, we were lucky to have a pre-interview chat with you. And yet, just so you know, when Jack and I do these interviews, we like to speak with our guests a week before so we get to know them and really kind of get a sense of everything they want to talk about too and what we want to talk about.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
And in our pre-interview chat last week, you told us that artificial intelligence was a huge area of focus. And you also just revealed it was basically the third player launching your latest product. Now, honestly, the way Jack and I see artificial intelligence being in the media business is it can be both a threat and an opportunity at the same time. First, the threat.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Bloomberg reported in March that Apple is working on real-time language translation for built into AirPods, powered by AI. So that would look like a threat to a Duolingo. At the same time, AI allowed you to launch AI Tutors, which is your new premium product. You can practice your German with an AI.
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First, a quick word from our sponsor.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
What's her name? Lily?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
That sounds really cool because Lily's not going to judge me if I misconjugate my German verbs. Which you wouldn't, Jack. You're doing fantastic. You got a 12-day streak going. So we got to ask, is AI a threat or is AI an asset?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
To your credit, Luis, we looked at your IPO paperwork before this interview, and this was before ChatGPT.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Yeah, 100%. Well, first thing, first thing, we did notice a typo in your IPO paperwork. No. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
No, you don't have to fire Morgan Stanley. No typos, we promise. But we did go through your IPO paperwork. What did we notice, Jack? We control left it and we found artificial intelligence mentioned eight times.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
So yeah, you were thinking about it before this virality.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Nick, I was a German major and then I worked at a German bank after college. Yeah. And sometimes I had to speak to German clients on the phone. But I had a cubicle surrounded by my peers. And every time I had to speak German, I would book a conference room to make sure I was in a private place because it's embarrassing.
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It makes you feel foolish.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Luis, there was one word you've mentioned before that Jack and I were fascinated by. We were shocked you used because we haven't heard any other techies use it. Maybe because we are with so many in the Bay Area. But you said the word artistic. You employ literally hundreds of artists everywhere. At Duolingo, they craft the branding, the imagery, the clever notifications that you mentioned before.
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We were curious about the artists.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Well, Luis, we are so excited to have you on today's show because we haven't just been researching you for weeks. We've been covering your company for years. And now we get to actually speak with someone who is the brains behind it. So you founded Duolingo and IPO'd the company in 2021. 40 million humans use it every day. 10 million of them are paid subscribers.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
AI can't come up with that.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
If the AI revolution makes us all more artistic, that would be fantastic.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
This leads to a big question that the Yetis and the Besties, our listeners, ask Louise, which is, we want to be the best at what we do. How do we focus our careers? A lot of them are business school students or they're working in marketing or they work at a bank or they have a job where they're curious about the next five years and they're maybe worried about the threat of AI.
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What advice would you give people in the age of AI?
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We asked you earlier, is AI an asset or a threat?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
And you, without hesitation, said asset. I feel like your advice is almost people need to get to a place where they have that same response. They need to tell themselves it is an asset. That's step one, accepting that it's the asset.
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Make AI an asset so that you're better at your job.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Another way to put it, if you have the opportunity to go to MIT or RISD, Duolingo thinks you should go to RISD.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
You're growing 40% a year right now. The stock has more than doubled in the past two years. The company is worth more than $13 billion. That's like two lifts. Duolingo is the most exciting education brand on the planet. Now, Duolingo at its heart, it begins and still is a tech company. And you've said the majority of your employees and your engineers and your designers, they are tech people.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
One thing Jack and I noticed in our research, thinking of you guys as a psychology company, is intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation. How do you guys think about that and how do you employ it? And what is that exactly?
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If it's not fun, it won't work. Yeah, great quote of yours that we noticed. Luis, like we mentioned, we dive in deep T-boy style, and we've pretty much seen and read every single interview you've ever done to prepare for today's show. But the one quote you've said that we love the most is that one. It's, if it's not fun, it won't work. We believe that actually with our show.
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There's an obvious value for news and staying informed, but people's intrinsic motivation only goes so far. So we try to make our show fun. But If learning has to be fun to survive and news has to be fun to survive, is there a place in this world for not fun things?
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So any advice for our Yetis and besties in the audience who are building something to make something fun so that it'll work?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
It's like lasagna. It just takes a while.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Same as every other tech company. But unlike every other tech company, you've chose to launch, grow, and scale yours in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In fact, you've said you would never open an office in Silicon Valley, the home of tech. Why is Pittsburgh your headquarters?
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I believe this is known as the lasagna principle, Jack.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
You got to leave it in the oven a bit. Well, Luis, you had an inspirational story. Your company has done an amazing thing, which is make learning fun. We're addicted in a good way.
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We think it's fantastic that you're fighting the fire of TikTok with their fire tactics. And it's just been amazing talking to you.
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Congratulations on all your success. And we're thrilled that you announced the product of chess on Duolingo on our show. Jack and I can finally finish that game. Knight to queen's rook.
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I need a streak. I need a streak. Well, Luis, at the end of every story, we decide what the takeaway is. So we want to hear from you, Luis. What's the takeaway from you, the co-founder of Duolingo on Duolingo?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Yetis want more from Luis? Well, we've got an extended version up on YouTube. We dive into his background, his childhood in Guatemala, the first company he gave to Yahoo, the second company he sold to Google, and more. So check out the best one yet on YouTube. Get the extended version of this entire interview. We got a link in the episode description.
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Jack and I will be back with our regular daily show tomorrow. See you then. If you like the best one yet, you can listen ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. And before you go, tell us a little bit about yourself by filling out a short survey at wondery.com slash survey. We want to get to know you.
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Our guest today can say hello in every one of those languages.
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True.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Probably Dothraki too. Because Duolingo is the largest language app on the planet used by 40 million people every day. But Louise Von Ahn aspires for more than just language learning. because he wants his app to become the world's first super app for all things education. Our guest today, Luis Van An, was born in Guatemala, but launched this tech business in Pittsburgh, PA.
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Bigger fish in a smaller pond.
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And at this point, Duolingo would be like a... I got an AI SaaS platform. We're side hustling outside this podcast right now, Luis.
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You guys look at like the percentage of precipitation every year.
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Like mission-oriented.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Although his app uses all the growth hacks that were invented in Silicon Valley. He created a mascot so popular Dua Lipa is trying to date it. An unhinged owl mascot. That's such a meme. It got its own skit on SNL. And on today's show, Luis will announce Duolingo's next product. That's right. Duolingo's next new thing will be revealed right here on T-Boy.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Scale your impact.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Well, Luis, Jack and I have been keeping a list on the side here because what also catapulted your guys' growth was that you're a psychology company. The way we see Duolingo is psychology. You're a master of mind gamification.
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I mean, you must have a bunch of psychologists on staff because the push notifications, the streaks, even the mascot, they all tug at just the right psychological cords to get people to open the app. Let's talk about the psychological growth hacks that got Duolingo to 40 million people opening it every day. What was the first psychological engagement hack that you employed?
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Luis, can I ask a quick question? When you say it's engaging, how is your app, can you just like break down that word for a second? How is your app more engaging than a book?
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So is your app addictive?
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How did you get your app to be so addictive?
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Never go when you don't like the taste of your own cooking.
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Exclusive 🦉 “Education Super App” — Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn announces next product on TBOY
Yetis, today we are sitting down with the lord of the language. The sultan of streaks. The baron of being bilingual. Luis Von Ahn is the co-founder and CEO of Duolingo. There ain't any subtitles in today's episode, yetis. Nope. But watch out for that unhinged owl. Because that thing is a raptor with some major boundary issues. Today's interview with Luis of Duolingo is the best one yet.
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I've experienced, full disclosure, I've experienced this. I didn't want to admit it publicly, but I'm willing to do so in front of you, Luis. I've told Jack before in private-
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And what does that look like? What works for a notification? What does a guilt notification look like? What is the best timing look like? What's optimal here? How are you guys doing it differently?
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Okay, why is that?
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Yeah, a little side-eye. I'm picturing the mascot saying this.
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Like, if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.
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This is Nick. This is Jack. It's Thursday, the new Friday, February 13th. And today's pod is the best one yet. This is a tea boy. The top three pop business news stories you need to know today. And a happy Galentine's Day to all those who celebrate. Nick and I, we're celebrating Galentine's Day together this year. How are we going to handle the wood tonight?
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When we select our three fantastic stories each day for this podcast, Jack and I say it's like we're going to a market, like we're chefs trying to pick out food from a market. We want the perfect mix to make a great meal.
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So we do a mix of industries, topics, and takeaways that'll just be delicious.
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But in crafting content, we also know there's a role for red meat, material for our most hardcore fans. Red meat is the most intense expression of what your brand stands for. Yeah, we did that this week. Like when we wrote a poem about how Peloton stock broke our hearts. That was red meat for our listeners. And when Elf Beauty did a dicks campaign about diversity.
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That was red meat for its Gen Z women customers. Because great brands always make space for their most committed fans. So every now and then, you got to serve them some red meat. Jack, could you whip up the takeaways for us for that new Friday? The craft brewery near you probably has launched their own version of Bud Light.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Because as millennial men become dadlenials, they're graduating from IPAs to local lights. For our second story, Jonah Peretti and BuzzFeed are building a new positive social media app that is anti-snarf. The force he's fighting is the negativity bias, because humans will watch anything online if it's negative.
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And finally, Elf Beauty's So Many Dicks campaign is red meat for their Gen Z female customer base. Red meat. It's what you got to do if you're trying to generate some brand love. But yetis, this pod's not over yet. Here's what else you need to know today. First, we just got the celebrity of monthly economic reports, the inflation report.
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The Consumer Price Index showed that prices in February increased by 3% compared to last year, which is the highest pace since June. Egg prices surged 15% month over month, and that's the eggflation situation. And as long as inflation is rising, interest rates will not be coming down.
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We're talking bouquets with anything but the flowers. We call them faux-quets. Yeah, faux-quets, fake bouquets. And it turns out there is a whole economy we've discovered of faux bouquets.
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And second, a guy who threw away $700 million worth of Bitcoin by accident is trying to buy the landfill that it's stuck in. His name's James Howlands. He's a British IT worker who mined 7,500 Bitcoin way back in 2009. Okay, but here's the problem. He accidentally threw away the thumb drive with the key to access all those Bitcoin.
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So now he's trying to buy the local landfill. but locals worry that opening it up is going to contaminate the air and the water. Let him do it. Just let him do it.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
We'll invest in it. I want a piece of that action. Can you invest in this operation? We're in, James. We're in. And finally, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced 14 nominees for the 2025 induction class. They include Mariah Carey, OutKast, and Phish. Phish. perfect timing, Jack. Fish, the Vermont-based jam band, is the co-star of our latest episode of The Best Idea Yet.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
If you haven't listened yet, we just did a whole deep dive episode on Ben and Jerry's and their fish food ice cream.
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So if you don't know anything about fish, and if you love ice cream, it's good. This episode is perfect for you. Link in episode description. Nick and I, by the way, we're listening to that episode on the way to dinner tonight. Yeah, I can't wait.
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Now time for the best fact yet. This one sent in by Jack's brother. I got to say his funniest brother, Tuck. All right, here's the question, Eric. Well, actually, this is the preview question. What's the most successful college football program of all time? Okay, that would be the University of Alabama roll tide. Arguably, but it's pretty much Alabama. Well, here's the wild fact.
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No NFL player drafted from Alabama had ever scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl until this Super Bowl. That's right. It took 59 years for a University of Alabama player to score a touchdown in the Super Bowl.
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Devante Smith had a 46-yard touchdown catch, and it was the first ever by someone drafted from Alabama.
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If there was a male version of Galentine's Day, you'd get the fried chicken bouquet, which is a thing.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Joe Namath didn't score a touchdown. Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, never scored a Super Bowl touchdown. Bart Starr, not even sure who he is, but he threw a Super Bowl touchdown. That's not the same as scoring one. Good point, Jack. Congrats, Alabama. You're welcome to all the sports fans who are about to text this to all their other sports fan buddies. Yetis, you look fantastic today.
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And remember, you've got 24 hours to buy them a Fouquet or a Chaos Bouquet or any kind of alternative bouquet you got going on.
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I'm thinking like 12 Bratwurst would be a pretty big turn on for me.
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You want a Brat bouquet? All right. Let's see what we can do, Yetis.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Alex, I hope you're listening.
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Besties, thanks for enjoying the show. One of the best ways you can help grow the pod is to drop down and give us a five-star review and tap to follow us so you get T-Boy every day. Nick and I will see you tomorrow. Can't. And before we go, a happy 32nd birthday to legendary Yeti Harvin Vallabaneni over in Atlanta. And happy birthday to Melissa Robinette in Corona, California.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Or you would get your partner a Lego bouquet, which is also a thing. There's donut bouquets, salami bouquets. Honest Company sells a diaper bouquet. For expectant moms. Disney sells a Star Wars bouquet. Filled with lightsabers for your lover. Because, Jack, anything bundled in a triangularly shaped arrangement, what is it? Technically, that's a bouquet.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
This biology teacher at Saddleback High School is the birthday girl. And Skylar Fry down in Naples, Florida is going to eat chocolate for three meals a day celebrating a birthday. Celebrating Valentine's Day. Not too shabby.
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And congratulations to Nick Jordan from Buffalo, New York, whose parents conceived him on Valentine's Day decades ago. Valentine's week, but... We'll round up for you on that one, Nick. Kosher with the bratwurst bouquet. Yeah, I think that is totally fine. I said it's a turn on.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
We like literally never crossed the line in this episode, but we were licking that line, Jack.
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Whether it's a dozen roses or a dozen garden hoses. Technically. Technically. their bouquet. So yetis, you got 24 hours from Valentine's Day and do you still need a gift? Get her a beef jerky bouquet. A dozen Slim Jims wrapped in a red bow with a card. 60% of the time, it works every time.
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First, a quick word from our sponsor.
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We're going to Vermont's premier farm-to-table restaurant. I love that mushroom risotto. It gets me every time. I'm getting a steak for two. We got to work on our menu strategy here. We got to work on that. We got to work on that. In the meantime, Yetis, we got three fantastic stories for today's show. Stocks are down, but these stories are up. What do we got, Jack?
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For our first story, the Kelsey brothers are taking on Bud Light with their own beer brand. Because the fastest growing beer flavor in America is the easiest recipe in all of alcohol.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Light beers.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Yetis, two years ago, Jack and I did a story on the craft beer collapse. Craft beer, it simply went flat. There were simply too many craft breweries across America and too many IPAs. Yeah, and honestly, the real issue here was you got flavor fatigue. Consumers got flavor fatigue. Because there's a fine line between a heavy IPA and a pint of soup.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Jack would hand me like a quadruple IPA a few years ago and it was like split pea, black bean, pale ale. It used to be all that I would drink. Yeah. But now I just physically can't handle it. Craft beers were so dense, I choked on one, Jack. I needed the Heimlich. Okay.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
And in response to IPA overload, many are pivoting back to their college beer of choice. Yes. light beer.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
And with Bud Light having a brand crisis, Modelo and Coors are enjoying a light beer sales bump. But now, craft breweries are pivoting to make their own take on light beer. Yeah, and this is the news. These micro brews are beating the macro breweries in the light beer category. Get this. The best performing beer category in America last year was local light beer. Let that sink in.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Local light beer. We're talking small regional craft takes on American light lager as the category's called. American light lager. It's light yellow color. It tastes like water, and it is highly, highly chuggable. Now, the revenue of craft light beer is up 54% in the fourth quarter of last year. That is by far the best performing type of beer.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Again, pause the pod, sit down, stand up, and pass us another one. We've been covering the fall of alcohol for like two years now. And the fall of beer specifically. And yet craft light beer is up 54%. That's why the hot new celebrity trend isn't launching a canned coffee company. it's launching a light craft beer. For example, Hulk Hogan launched real American light beer down in Florida.
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It's draped in an American flag. Troy Aikman launched Elite 8 light beer down in Texas. It's got a slim can, like it's a Red Bull or something. Feels like a Diet Coke. And the Kelsey brothers of the NFL bought an entire light beer brand. They bought Garage Beer in Ohio.
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And sales of that Ohio-based brand are up 500% since the Kelsey brothers got
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They actually record their podcast with like a 30 rack, like it's Miller Lite. But it's local light. It's local light. Besties, from Colorado to Vermont to every college town in America, craft breweries are launching new light beers. It's a Bud Light knockoff because it's so easy to knock off Bud Light. The recipe is barley, hops, rice, and a lot of water. Bud Light dupe.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
For our first story, every craft brewery in America is launching their version of Bud Light. Because the fastest growing beer in America, defying every alcohol trend, is local light beer?
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So, besties, you are now buying 54% more light beer than you did last year, but you're not Buying bud or course. Buying local light, which actually I wouldn't call a dupe because it's typically more expensive than bud light. All I know, Jack, is they put fewer hops in it. So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies who are actually drinking beer? Life is full of graduation moments.
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So be the graduation gift. Yetis, as people hit life milestones, each transition is also a transition into a new buying habit. Smart businesses recognize those moments and serve a product for them. Well, in this case, that life moment is millennial dads, dadlenials, men hitting 30 having kids.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
From experience, we can tell you that after you hit your 30s, it's scientifically harder to consume and process heavier beers. Honestly, this is scientifically proven. After having a kid, your metabolism struggles with a 6.8% alcoholic quadruple IPA. So craft beer is growing with its millennial dad customers by offering them 100 calorie light lagers that won't knock them out.
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So besties, the transition of millennial men from frat bros to dadlenials is a graduation moment.
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And the craft beer industry capitalized on it with a graduation gift, a 12 pack of light local.
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Logger.
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Let's be honest, a four pack.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
For our second story, BuzzFeed is launching a new social media platform to make the internet fun again. Jonah Peretti has identified the big problem with the internet. And what's it called, Jack? Snarf. And it's wildly accurate in our opinion. Why are we doing this? Because the internet is broken. That's a quote from a new manifesto posted by BuzzFeed founder and CEO Jonah Peretti.
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Now, Jack and I actually got to interview Jonah Peretti back in 2022. We did a whole interview on the founding of BuzzFeed. Jonah, media was great. He's an early pioneer of internet culture. He knows the formula for virality. Yeah, that's why you always saw those BuzzFeed articles like... 14 mind-blowing Disney princess facts from the 1990s. I'm definitely clicking on that. Oh, one sec, Jack.
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Yeah.
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If you answer these 18 questions, we'll tell you what kind of taco you are.
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For our second story, BuzzFeed is launching its own social media app. Because BuzzFeed identified the number one problem with the whole internet. Snarfing. It's snarfing. And our third and final story. Elf Beauty has a campaign to highlight the number of CEOs named Richard, Rick, or Rich. And what do they call it, Jack? So many dicks. So many dicks.
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That's when the internet was fun, right?
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Pineapple taco.
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Okay. Interesting. Here's the thing. Jonah Peretti hates what's happened to the internet and he hates what goes viral these days.
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So, wild announcement, but he and BuzzFeed are launching a new social media app named TBD. To be determined. They haven't named it yet. We're calling it Buzztagram.
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Now, we should clarify, BuzzFeed is not launching this from a position of strength.
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No, BuzzFeed's in a desperate position right now. The stock is down 95%. It's only two bucks a share. And they recently sold their YouTube show, Hot Ones, to raise some badly needed cash to repay debt. They don't want that going viral. But Jonah Peretti is a very smart guy, and we think he has perfectly described what is going on with the internet with one single phrase.
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Well, he says that TikTok and Meta employees don't actually run TikTok and Meta. Honestly, their algorithms do. Yeah.
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Yeah, he describes a deep learning black box that decides what videos we actually see next. And basically, if you work at those companies, you don't know what's in the box. But the world has discovered what the algorithm rewards. And the type of content that does well on social media today, he calls it SNARF. SNARF. Jack, could you sprinkle on a definition to the acronym SNARF?
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Snarf stands for stakes, novelty, anger, retention, and fear. Content creators exaggerate stakes to make their content urgent and existential. They manufacture novelty and spin their content as unprecedented and unique. They manipulate anger to drive engagement via outrage. They hack retention by withholding information and promising a payoff at the end of a video.
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And finally, they provoke fear to make people focus with urgency on their content. Honestly, Jonah just nailed it. That explains pretty much all the content you see online right now. As guys who create content every day, we can tell you that is 100% the formula that everyone posting online tries to follow. We do a video on tariffs, doesn't go viral.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
You do a video on a mango recipe for a smoothie and why if you don't eat this mango, you're going to die in three years. You're going viral. Yeah. You see videos like, I can't believe what I just discovered. A city is about to get destroyed by a hurricane. Watch to the end of the video to find out what city. Stock market will crash just after these messages.
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They're annoying, but you're probably watching to the end of that video. So Jonah is trying to create a social media platform that doesn't do any of that. An anti-snarf social media app.
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But we think that solution faces an uphill battle because of our takeaway. So Jack, what's the takeaway for all our buddies building a social media app at BuzzFeed? The negativity bias. That is what prevents the internet from being fun. Yeti's Jonah Peretti claims that BuzzFeed's new social media app will be built specifically to spread joy.
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It will be designed as an oasis from the algorithm-driven doomscrolling. But Jack, what's the problem with that? We humans doomscroll because we have a bias for negativity. Yeah, case in point, it's what we notice with the news when we cover it every day, Jack. This is our favorite example. How many articles have you seen published about gasoline prices being low? None. None. None, none, none.
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But if gasoline prices go up, you'll see tons of articles about how expensive gasoline is. And the reason for that is that we humans don't click on the positive headline, we click on the negative headline. And that is why SNARF succeeds. Deep in our brains, we have a bias for clicking negative things. Jack and I have researched this, and there's actually an evolutionary reason for that.
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So many dicks is a case study in customer engagement. But Yetis, before we hit that wonderful mix of stories. Fantastic mix of stories. And I'm in on the steak. Let's do the steak. We're doing the steak? What the heck? We're dropping the risotto? It's a write-off. We'll get the hand of the wood toast for an appetizer. If you know, you know.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
We are primed to prepare for threats that may hurt us, so we focus on negativity. Now, we commend Jonah for fighting this battle. Oh, totally, Jack. His new BuzzFeed social media app will be designed for, and we quote, creativity and connection, not addiction. If you can name it, you can start to tame it. And he and BuzzFeed are trying to tame our negativity bias.
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Now a quick word from our sponsor.
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For our third and final story, Elf Beauty says that corporate America has so many dicks, referring to the number of board members named Richard, Rick, or Rich in business. Risky move in today's political climate. Yeah. But Elf customers loved it, and we'll explain why. ELF Beauty. ELF Beauty stands for eyes, lips, and face. They're famous for their inflation-proof $3 lipstick.
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It's always been three bucks. It's a sacred cow product. They were founded by a father and son team who tried to sell affordable makeup online. Honestly, their skin cream is so cheap. It is too cheap to sell at Sephora. Now, if you look at the financials, the stock has been down in the last year, but they're still on a streak of 23 straight quarters of growth.
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So ELF is now worth $4 billion on your eyebrows. How did they become such a big deal? It started in 2019 when they created a song just for TikTok. It was called the Eyes, Lips, and Face song. And that hashtag challenge got 2 billion views. In 2021, they created burrito makeup in a partnership with Chipotle. Yeah, you could wear barbacoa on your eyebrows and that sold out.
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But yeties, the most popular gift on Valentine's Day is the bouquet. The bouquet, an attractively arranged bunch of flowers presented as a gift. A bouquet of roses, red or white, a bouquet of gardenias. In fact, tomorrow, 22% of Americans will buy a bouquet on Valentine's Day. But Nick and I have noticed a new trend emerging, bouquets with no flowers.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
What we're saying is this company's very good at going viral for good reasons. Well, the latest way they've gone viral is Spotify. So many dicks.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
This is a campaign to highlight lack of diversity on corporate boards.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
To clarify, the dicks are men named Richard, Rich, or Rick who sit on corporate boards. And there are so many dicks. Yeah, like the data Elle found is that there are actually two times more men named Dick than there are Hispanic women on these boards. And Black and Asian women barely outnumber the dicks on corporate boards in America. But Jack, let's sprinkle on some context here.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
What do we got, man? Now, Elf's not the only company that's noticed homogeneity in our corporate boardrooms. In 2020, Goldman Sachs announced a new rule for companies that wanted to go public.
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If you wanted Goldman Sachs to lead your IPO, since 2020, you must have at least one diverse board member.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
Well, Goldman was, like Elf, responding to the fact that there are simply so many dicks in business. But this week, Goldman announced it's canceling that requirement, and that is part of a trend. Because, as you've probably seen, dozens of corporations have rolled back their DEI initiatives. From Meta to McDonald's to Target to Ford. Every day, we see three or four companies that are doing this.
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🍺 “Local Lite”— Kelce Bros’ light beer bet. Elf Beauty’s “Dicks”. BuzzFeed’s 1st social media app.
But interestingly, Elf Beauty, on the other hand, they're not canceling their wildly intense So Many Dicks observation, are they? No.
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In fact, the CEO just said in an interview with Fortune magazine that they have aligned their workforce to be just like their customer base.
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Yeah, e.l.f. is one of the few examples where we've seen data on this, but 74% of their team are women, 75% of their team are Gen Z or millennials, and 44% are diverse, just like e.l.f. beauty buyers. It's actually parody. So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies who are anyone trying to generate brand love? Every now and then, you gotta serve them some red meat. Yeah, it is.
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This is Nick. This is Jack. It's Friday, the real Friday, March 14th, and today's fitness pod is the best one yet. Our top three stories of the last year on fitness and apparel. Yetis, maybe we are catching you on the treadmill, the elliptical, or just a good old-fashioned speed walk. I love a good old-fashioned speed walk. It's good for the heart, good for the health.
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But Nike has fallen by 12% over that same five-year period. And here's why Jack and I find that story fascinating, Yetis, because Nike's pain is Adidas' gain. Adidas' sales are up right now, and their stock has risen by 20% in the past year. Nike, like we said before, Jack, it's looking less Steve Kerr, more Brian Scalabrini. Surprisingly, we have said that before. Or was he not born right now?
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I don't know. So, Yetis, we know what you're thinking over there. Why are investors subbing out Nike for Adidas on the floor right now? We found three things that both of them are doing different. Yes, we did. And the first thing that Nike and Adidas are doing differently, Jack? Is strategic. Nike called the wrong play when it comes to e-commerce.
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Because, Yetis, Nike made the mistake of pulling out of third-party stores to instead focus on selling Nike shoes in their stores and on Nike.com. Adidas responded by slipping in and filling Nike's space at Foot Lockers, at Dick's, and all the other third-party retailers. Now, the second thing that Nike did that Adidas didn't do was an aesthetic mistake. A crime of fashion. A crime of fashion.
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Because Nike's Air Force One is now getting replaced by fashionistas with the more casual Adidas Samba. And the third divergence of these two brands is in marketing. Because Nike has lost the love of the leaders. Remember those see-through baseball jerseys? The whole debacle that Nike was responsible for?
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I mean, Jack, I'm looking at Shohei Ohtani right now, and I'm seeing a whole lot of Shohei Ohtani right now. That huge fashion faux pas lost Nike the love of the athletic leaders in the industry. And consumers have followed with them. But there's actually a bigger error that both Nike and Adidas made. Funny thing, Jack, I noticed.
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They both made this mistake, and so we decided to make it our takeaway. So, Jack, what's the takeaway about our buddies over in the shoe industry? If you're not in their ears, you're not in their minds. Now, ladies, Nike and Adidas, they are both fantastic at marketing. You see the Nike and Adidas ads every other subway, like it's everywhere. You always see their commercials.
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But consumers don't choose what to purchase based on what they see. They choose what to purchase based on what they hear. Bessie's great story in the Wall Street Journal last week about how Nike and Adidas both lost the local running club. Those casual running clubs of America, where the runners influence what the shoe buying trends of the moment are.
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You have a friend who's in one of these running clubs because they've told you they're in one of these running clubs. They have really skimpy shorts, I've noticed. It's a vibe, Jack. But yet, according to one running club in Portland, Oregon, Nike running reps only run with that club like once a year now. That's a drop.
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But that running club in Portland sees reps from Hoka, Ahn, Brooks, Asics, and other fast-growing running shoe rivals four times a year. Not once a year, four times a year. And those run club runners, they're the ones working in the shoe stores. They're the ones advising friends, and they're the ones who are writing all the sneaker blogs.
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And since Nike hasn't been around, those runners are driving sneakers from Nike to upstart shoe companies. And honestly, Jack and I have experienced this, haven't we, Jack? I went to a running shoe store in Essex. They didn't even consider showing me Nikes. They showed me all the other products because that's what the runners are running with.
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Sweat wicking pants is how you dress even for your finance job. Jack, Planet Fitness, their stock just hit an all-time high. Peloton, I wish. The fitness industry has gotten so large, we even covered the biggest sauna in America last year. So yetis, ease up on that pickleball swing. And don't pull a hammock. Because today's pod is our three best fitness stories of the last year.
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I was told to try on hokas and ons, and I ended up with a pair of ons. Nike wasn't even in the running yesterday. They sold me Brooks. They didn't even know my son's name was Brooks. Because Brooks and other upstart brands, they were in the runner's ears while Nike was not. And if you're not in their ears, you're not in their minds. But yetis, this pod's not over yet.
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Here's what else you need to know today. First, in our daily WTF update, whiplash tariff forecast. Trump doubled down on tariffs again yesterday. Trump threatened to tariff French champagne and European wine by 200%.
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Yeah, yeah, this is going to like triple the price of your mimosa at brunch.
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Meanwhile, China is threatening Walmart for trying to push the cost of tariffs onto Chinese suppliers. Stocks, they fell 1.5% on Thursday to a new six-month low on all the tariff whiplash. Second, Russia's Vladimir Putin is open to talk about the Trump-negotiated ceasefire proposal over in Ukraine. But he does have some demands.
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First, he wants Ukraine to give Russia all of the land that Russia invaded. Second, he wants Ukraine to promise never to join NATO. And third— He wants Ukraine to promise to replace President Zelensky with somebody else. Of course, reminder here, Putin was the aggressor who invaded Ukraine despite his efforts to twist the truth to justify it.
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And finally, New York City has a new plan to improve the MTA subway system. Stick Google phones on all the train cars. Yeah, apparently that's it. The MTA wants to put Google phones on subway cars and just like turn the camera on to detect delay issues. Is it a GPS thing? Is that what they're trying to do?
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Apparently, Jack, if there's like water on the tracks, they want these Google phones to like see the water, send the info to the cloud, and then like keep the train moving or something. Oh, so the phones are basically just security cameras kind of?
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I don't know if they've totally thought this through, honestly.
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Apparently they piloted it last year and now they want to stick Android phones on the subway to speed up your four train to work. Can't afford an iPhone? Actually, no, they can't afford an iPhone right now. Now time for the best fact yet. This one whipped up by Jack and me. This is wild. There is a part of the fitness industry That is way bigger than you realize. Yeah, this is pretty shocking.
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What is it, Jack? Supplements. Yeah, supplements are bigger than the fitness industry. Whey protein, plant-based protein, creatine, prebiotic, pre-work probiotic. All of that. The fitness industry, like your workouts, the gym, that's valued at $20 billion. But the US supplements market is worth more than twice that.
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What we are saying, besties, is that people spend more on powder and pills than they spend on hidden treadmills. Peloton, time to launch a protein shake. Yetis, you look fantastic over there. No, we mean it. You look fantastic over there. What are you working with? Are you talking to me? I don't know who I'm talking to at this point. I figure everyone's working out.
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Everyone's getting ready for spring break. They really do look fantastic out there. Tell everybody you see at the beach this weekend or at the gym, H-Y-H-T-B-O-Y.
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Then offer them some white protein and say, have you heard the best one yet?
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Nick and I'll be back Monday with our regular program.
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If you know, you know. See you then.
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And before we go, a happy birthday to the legendary TK, Teddy Kramer, turning 33 years old down in Brattleboro, Vermont. Did you know he's the former AT&T Wireless Salesman of the Month? You didn't say that confidently, Jack, but we can fact check and enroll with it. Always a great brother, now thriving as a girl dad of three.
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I just want to say also, best real estate agent in the entire New England region. Just putting that out there. Greater New England region. And happy birthday to Nella Regalado celebrating down in fancy Las Vegas. Happy 33rd birthday to Doe over in Singapore. And Sean Thomas turning 30 years old down in Hotland, Atlanta.
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Happy birthday to Debra Rios in Washington, D.C., who's turning 40 and running the Rock and Roll Half Marathon. And Steven Chmielewski just got accepted to so many master's programs, doesn't know what to do. So he's celebrating all of them down in Tucson. And happy birthday to Super Macaroni, the golden doodle who's turning three in San Diego.
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P-U-P-P-Y. Oh, don't go, boy.
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So many of you listen to the show while you're working out. And since it's spring break time, we thought we'd whip up a special episode for your workout. Sebasties, while you're getting beach ready, this entire episode is on the fitness and athletic apparel industry. So enjoy a break from the insane news cycle and all the tariff whiplash.
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But if we're going to talk about Barry's, we need to talk about the business of cults. Jack, to jump in T-boy style to this story, I just booked the class Saturday morning, 8.40 a.m. in the marina with Allie E. It's a tough class. You're going to be surrounded by spandex and sweat. Oh, that San Francisco marina location, dude. That is a hot mess, baby. But yet, it's Barry's.
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It is a nightclub with dumbbells. Barry's Boot Camp is a boutique fitness studio full of red lights, treadmills, and pounding Diplo music. Honestly, you go to Barry's, it feels like a Berlin discotheca and everyone is wearing a black sports bra. The only difference with the discotheca, no Velcro. True. True. Barry's says they invented the HIIT workout, high intensity interval training.
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What does that look like exactly, Jack? Five minutes on the treadmill, five minutes using weights, five minutes on the floor, 10 minutes of being yelled at. Yetis, when you're at a Barry's, the instructor has seven calf tats, 14 abs, and may or may not have been on The Bachelor. They're going to tell you their inspirational origin story about how they got where they are.
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But here's the origin of Barry's Boot Camp. Barry's was actually founded back in 1998 in West Hollywood. So Jack, ironically, Barry's is a lot like its average customer. 26, rich, and from LA. Yes, exactly. And founder Barry Jay, who started the company, had no military background. Interestingly, he just decked out the gym in camo and it blew up from there.
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And he called it a bootcamp, even though he didn't go to bootcamp. Brands are all about the vibe. But yet he hears the news and this is fascinating. Barry's has hired investment bankers because they want to sell the company. Berries tried to sell itself in 2019 for $700 million, but this time Berries wants even more. We're pegging the price tag for Berries at a clean nine digits, $1 billion.
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But yeties, here's what Jack and I found fascinating about this story. Since the pandemic, we've noticed that the survivor companies in certain industries have only gotten smaller. stronger. Because the pandemic sent revenues in fitness to zero. Because panting in a gym inches from your neighbor's butt, that was not CDC approved. But now Barry's is setting personal records in the fitness industry.
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Jack, what kind of numbers we talking, man? Barry's has opened 26 studios since the pandemic began. Plus, they launched their own spin studio that looks just like SoulCycle. Oh, and whip out the whiteboard because the financials on Barry's are looking pretty buff too. Revenues jumped 27% last year, and every single Barry's location is profitable on its own. Sit down, stand up, and give me 20.
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And get this, yetis. 140,000 sweaty humans attend a Barry's class at least once a week. And two-thirds of those Barry's members are women. Now, Jack, what's the price of one of those 50-minute classes that you used to do and that I've got coming up in like 24 hours? I used to attend the Barry's at swanky Stanford Shopping Center. One class is $37.
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Because Jack and I are about to hit our three best fitness stories from the last year. Once it's over, send this episode to your buddy who just finished Pilates, who spots you on the squat rack, or who still owns shares of Peloton.
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But then, Jack, Barry's subscriptified their business. And how much can you pay for a monthly membership to Barry's? They have a global membership for jet setters because there's a Barry's in like every high-end city. It's $500 a month. 500 bucks a month. And no, that does not include the flaxseed smoothies.
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And guess this, it also doesn't include the Hamptons location, which I guess has its own membership. But Yetis, those numbers are big. They're impressive. They are strong. And they're the reason why the big money wants in on Barry's. Barry's two biggest investors are private equity firms who hope to sell the company right now to an even bigger private equity firm.
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And the interesting thing, Jack, and I noticed is that private equity firms are really into boutique fitness these days. Equinox, SoulCycle, Orange Theory, they're all boutique fitness studios and they're all majority owned by private equity. So Jack and I have got to know, what is the core part of Barry's business model that these financial firms just love? It's not a Tabata, it's a takeaway.
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I like what you did there. Now get on that treadmill. So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies over at Barry's? Nothing drives cashflow like a cult. First of all, Jack and I should point out, cults have a bad reputation, but the definition of a cult is actually very straightforward and fair. If you read the definition of cult, it feels like society's giving it a bad rap, actually.
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The dictionary.com definition of a cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. Cult is how the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, even Barry's members describe Barry's boot camp. Preserving that cult status is actually critical to Barry's entire business. Because Barry's only has 84 locations. But Planet Fitness has 2,500 locations.
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Barry's charges $37 per class. But Planet Fitness charges just $10 per month. So for Barry's to command the highest pricing power and have so few locations. Well, Barry's needs loyalty beyond reason. It needs a religious level of devotion. It needs a cult. Colt. That is why Barry's has 3 a.m. at the club atmosphere. That is why instructors give TED Talks mid-workout.
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All right, we still own shares of Peloton, no big deal. And enjoy this episode over spring break. Jack, what do we got on the fitness pod? For our first story, we're going back to May 3rd, 2024, when Barry's bootcamp was trying to sell itself for $1 billion because nothing drives cashflow like a cult. For our second story, it's from November 12th.
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And that is why I'm going to be there at like 7 in the morning ripping on my shirt apparently tomorrow, Jack.
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Colt like following? That's an asset that every brand wants to have. And that is the reason Barry's is putting a $1 billion price tag on itself. A thousand and one. A thousand and two. A thousand and three. For our second story, we're going back to November 12th, 2024. Viore, you've probably seen their stuff since then. Viore, the athleisure brand, just hit a $5.5 billion valuation.
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How is Viore beating Lululemon? By studying where Lulu wouldn't go. Funny thing, Yetis. If you're on a date in San Francisco, then Viore is your third wheel. I just spilled acai ball on your Viore. Oh, it's okay. We're wearing the same Viore. Yetis Viore. It's the athleisure brand with like a SoCal kind of vibe. Right, Jack? It looks like Lululemon's cooler younger brother.
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Viori, it was founded by Laxbro in San Diego, who was actually an accountant at Ernst & Young. Really interesting story. His first two startups actually failed, and then he became an accountant professionally by trade. But his third startup has some news. Viori raised $825 million in a venture capital round that valued the company at $5.5 billion.
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They may IPO next year, but Jack, can you sprinkle on some context to those athleisure numbers, please? Lululemon is eight times more valuable than Viore, but Viore is twice as valuable as Under Armour is. In fact, SoftBank, the Japanese venture capital firm that invested in WeWork, they dropped $400 million into Viore as well. Adam Neumann definitely wears Viore.
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And that's one reason why Viore's revenues have nearly quadrupled year over year over year. Viore is growing faster than Alloyoga, Athleta, or any other athleisure brand. Although this does lead to the big question, because we know that you're wondering it, besties. How do you pronounce it? It's Viore. It's not Vuari or Vairi. It's Viore, which is nothing like it's spelled.
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And it's Finnish for mountain because this lax bro probably studied abroad in Finland. Doesn't make any sense, which is why it makes so much sense. But besties, the biggest surprise about Viore isn't actually the pronunciation. It is the profits. Because every other direct-to-consumer startup we've covered, from Allbirds to Casper to Warby Parker, They're not profitable for years.
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And yet, Viore isn't just profitable. Viore has been profitable since the very beginning. Because a funny detail we found in this story. The founder, Joe Kudla, the lax bro from San Diego, he says he's really bad at raising money. Yeah, remember Jack mentioned his first two startups? They failed. But he is a trained accountant at Ernst & Young, so he knows how to balance a checkbook.
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So this guy, he can't impress Andreessen Horowitz, but he can balance the books. So given that he was bad at raising money, he didn't want to run out of money. So he focused on profitability from the very beginning. He was so paranoid about losing money. He was like, we got to make these shorts profitable or we're going to be out of business in two months.
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Viore was riding Lululemon's coattails and had just hit a $5 billion valuation because Viore's founder's greatest weakness is his greatest strength. And our third and final story is from July 2nd. Nike stock fell 20% in one day. Brutal. The worst day on the stock market for Nike in 20 years. But Nike's pain is actually Adidas' gain. But Yetis, before we hit that wonderful mix of stories.
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That means he couldn't splurge on Instagram ads, promo codes for 40% off your first purchase or billboards right off the 101. He just focused on adding stores and word of mouth growth and keeping it simple. Now that focus on profitability, it slowed his growth. It's taken him nine years to get where he is with Viore. But nine long years later, Viore is now worth twice as much as Under Armour.
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Who's protecting this house now? It's Viore and the three other dudes I also saw this weekend wearing the same Viore black camo shirt as I have, Jack. So Jack, what's the takeaway for our buddies over at Viore? Don't avoid the void. Jump into the void. Yetis, athleisure brands, they've come and gone, from Outdoor Voices to Fabletics. And yet, Viore hasn't just survived, Viore has thrived.
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And the key reason why is that the founder used his rivals for research. The founder studied Lululemon in their stores. Lululemon created the athleisure category, so other brands, they started copying them with the same, similar athleisure ideas. But Joe Kudla did something different. He walked into Lululemon and looked at what wasn't happening there.
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Yeah, the one thing Lulu didn't have a section on, it was menswear at the time. There was no men's section, and so he focused on that. He literally walked into a store, found a void, and then jumped into that void with his startup. Eureka, men's focused athleisure. Lulu isn't doing it. So give to men what Lululemon gave to women.
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Now today, Viore sales are about 50-50 male-female and Lululemon has a lot of male sales too. But that strategy, it worked. And it's a strategy we've covered on this pod before, right Jack? Remember Shark Ninja, the home appliance company? Yeah, they make the air fryers and they make the blunders out there.
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They create their new products by first checking out their rivals' websites, reading the negative reviews, and then finding a product that will solve those customer problems. That's essentially the same thing Viore did by going into Lulu stores and seeing what they weren't making. Yetis, there's voids all over the marketplace. Sometimes you just need to walk into a rival store to find them.
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And our third and final story is from July 2nd, 2024. Oh, a lot has happened since then, Jack, for Nike. They fired their CEO and they promoted their long-term company vet, Elliot Hill, to lead the company. He started as an intern. Hasn't helped the stock though. It's down 10% since we originally published this story in July. Adidas, they're up 13% since this story. So Jack, let's hit it.
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As Nike falls, the swoosh's pain is Adidas' gain. We'll tell you the three reasons why the sneaker industry is getting rearranged like your shoe drawer. All right, Nike, it's Coach Jack and Coach Nick over here coming to our office. All right, Jack, what do you think we got to tell Nike?
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Bring them in here, toss them in the ice bath, and then get them two Tylenols, three Advils, one Theragun, and some Bengay. And we want you getting massaged by Shaq like it's nobody's business, because yet is Nike just had its worst day on the stock market since 2001. 2001, Michael Jordan was still playing. LeBron was in high school. True story.
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You have fantastic mix today, Jack. We know what you're wearing right now. Odds are, statistically speaking, you are wearing head-to-toe athleisure. Because 85% of Americans wear athleisure even when they're not working out. Which means 85% of you are in Lulu leggings while listening to this podcast. Post-pandemic, the fitness industry never looked hotter. Workout clubs are how Gen Z does dating.
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Oh, and Nike shares, they fell 18% on Friday like Shooter McGavin on the 18th hole. LeBron's son hadn't been born yet. The one who just got drafted in the NBA. And it's all because Nike reported sales fell 2% last quarter and they warned a 10% sales drop is coming this quarter. Nike is looking like Space Jam before they took Michael's secret stuff.
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Nike right now would not be able to beat the aliens, is what Jack's saying. I mean, a 10% drop for a company like Nike? That is brutal. In fact, yet, as Jack and I jumped in T-boy style, Nike stock is down 50% from its all-time high. Over the past five years, if you owned the S&P 500, your investment has nearly doubled in the past five years.
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I don't think we need to do that. Chasing the nines is fun. Cool. What's next?
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I'm like, that's amazing.
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You never realized it until you were 35?
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And I want to now. So you said it would make you click it because it would be clickable and you want to now.
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What's it based off?
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I bet it's the biggest, most expensive one.
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Well, I was going to let you know, you know, my birthday is July 12th, just in case you're wondering.
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March 17th. I wasn't really jealous of all your computers you were talking about earlier. But now you are. That screen is amazing.
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Let's just acknowledge it and move on, yeah.
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No one gave a gag or come to an end, but honestly, that will probably be our finale. We best be slinging ones and zeros. And that makes you one of our heroes.
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Like you can just be like, you don't have to be beautiful.
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Sorry, I was trying to get the fourth zone. He said there's four quadrants, and he said three zones, and I'm over here without ChatGPT wondering.
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Was that as a concept was difficult to sell or was it like the actual, how would we get there? Because we are this behemoth that's doing this other thing and we're in the performance zone.
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And some of those reasons, it sounds like we're justifying certain jobs or or even sub orgs inside of that, which would no longer be necessary. Or I mean, I wonder because to me, of course, maybe I'm also a small business kind of guy like you are. But to me, it's like, let's just let's just try that. Let's just give it a shot. Run with it.
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Yeah, so I think the XZutils backdoor was really eye-opening to a lot of developers. It showed the vulnerability of the open-source ecosystem. You had this maintainer who had been tirelessly maintaining this package for 15 years, who was targeted by nation-state actors, who created, like literally, it's like a spy movie, right? They had multiple personas.
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fake personas that were contacting this poor maintainer and, you know, working on him psychologically to convince him over the course of two years to add them to the repository and give them publish permissions. And they did this through a bunch of kind of negative messages, but also by being helpful and by sending good positive pull requests.
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It's really like I really think it's out of like out of a spy movie, just kind of the level of effort that they put into this. And what they were able to do is get access to this package. This is built into pretty much every Linux server out there. And what this would have let them do is it would let them SSH into any server and run any command on the server.
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without knowing the password, without being authenticated to the server. So this would have been like a world ending, potentially kind of an attack, right? It would have been probably the worst attack we've ever seen. I'm not exaggerating. It could have been that bad, but we were lucky. Through a total accident,
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This backdoor dependency had made it into the beta builds of some popular Linux distros, but it hadn't made it all the way out to the stable version yet. And a developer who was testing out the beta versions of these Linux distros noticed some weird behavior. He noticed that his SSH connection was taking half a second too long.
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And so he pulled the thread and traced it back to this backdoor dependency. And we were all saved because of this total accident. It's mind-blowing to me for a couple reasons. One, obviously, wow, there's literally states out there, countries that are trying to target open source now. Clearly, there's a team behind this. They probably didn't just work on this one dependency.
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They were probably working on getting access to many other ones in parallel. If you just look at the time between the emails they sent to the maintainer, they were about a month between some of these emails. So they were probably working on other maintainers and trying to get access during that time. So that's really scary.
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I also think it's pretty scary to see kind of the fact that it took an accident to find the attack. It makes me think, like, how many have we not caught as a community? How many have we missed if this one was caught by a total accident? It was eye opening to a lot of people and it made people realize that there really is a threat in the open source ecosystem.
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And it's not because most people are bad. It's the opposite. Most people are good, but there are few bad actors out there taking advantage of the trust in the system. That's really where we come in. We're trying to give every company the tools to protect themselves from those types of attacks. And that's what we do at Socket.
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You don't talk to the same nerds we talk to.
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But not, yeah, there's some joy in the process. Businesses don't enjoy it, but people inside of businesses sometimes do.
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Three community orchestras. What do you play?
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Somebody can subsidize. No, there's already a monthly payment. We're already paying our phone bill.
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Would you subscribe, Adam, to a Mac subscription? Would you subscribe?
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That'll be fun.
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bass is an interesting instrument because we take it for granted. Don't we? Like it kind of, when it's, it needs to be there.
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It is about that, but you kind of forget that it's there when it's there. And then when it's gone, you're like, something's missing. That's very important here.
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It's not working. The website is down. Yes, definitely parallels those.
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Fantastic. Do you ever get solos, though? I mean, at least in rock bands, the bassists will get a solo every once in a while. But in the orchestra, I assume, probably not.
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That makes sense to me.
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Yeah. Well, on that topic, what do you think about the Department of Justice's upcoming potentially breaking up of Google? I mean, it seems like it's plausible.
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So. Right.
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Yeah, 100%. I agree with that. And I think people already are freaked out, so much so that so many people are convinced that Instagram is listening to them, like audibly turning on a microphone. And I've argued against that. I don't think that's the case. But I've stopped arguing it because it's so well-targeted. Right.
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So quick that I'm kind of like, you know what? I'm starting to become a believer. Maybe they really are. Cause it's so personal and timely. Like the timeliness is what gets you. It's like right after I talked about it, I didn't have to search and I'll tell people we have, but you're connected to this other person and they were probably searching it because you talked to them about it. You know?
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So I was trying to help understand like how the, all the tracking works and stuff. But at the end of the day, it's like, it's gotten very targeted to where I'm like, Yeah, maybe they just turned the microphone on after all.
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I can't explain this.
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Yeah, exactly.
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They don't care. Squeeze every dollar out if possible. So this antitrust, more regulation, potentially more governmental control, like pair that with your –
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future look at these energy investments, because it seems like, I mean, if Google and Microsoft and these companies are investing in these new or even old forms of clean energy, nuclear, et cetera, I mean, that stuff is going to get also like, do we want that kind of a megalopoly as well as like these seven companies own all the energy?
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How did she learn it?
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Right. And you're letting people down.
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So you're not working right now. You're daydreaming. You're playing instruments.
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Right, right, right. You know what I mean. Traditional work. Do you know what's next? Are you investing? Are you starting something new? Don't go 10 years. Go like two years and then go personal in your life. What's it going to look like, you know?
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Tell me more about this liquid cooling stuff.
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But no, no H bombs, please.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, you're going to be in the zone. You're going to know all about the plus plus. All right. I guess we'll say goodbye. Bye, friends.
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You might, too. Use code CHANGELOG. Save $100 on the team plan. Boom. Next week on The Change Log, news on Monday, Shea Bannon, CTO of Elastic, on Wednesday, and our old friend Quincy Larson from Free Code Camp on Friday. Have a great weekend. Share The Change Log with your friends who might dig it. And let's talk again real soon. Hello, Plus Plus people. Welcome back. Zach, welcome to Plus Plus.
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This is where we can tell us what you really think. Do more of the same, basically. But wait. Yeah, exactly.
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comma here's where you could do other you know the sandwich method yeah you gotta sandwich it up it was is there a myth isn't there a method called the sandwich method jared yeah it's compliment criticism compliment that's right yes i'm not sure if it's actually called the sandwich method but i think it is okay cool good job yeah that's how you could have done better but you did great i yeah but you did great
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Yeah, that's something I've learned as well as a coach, coaching young children coming up playing basketball. I coach basketball and baseball. And as a driven, ambitious athlete that I once was, used to just a guy yelling in your face when you mess up. I just figured that's what everybody's okay with and it works all the time.
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But there's a lot of situations where, maybe not sandwich method, but people don't realize that when you constantly criticize someone, It's not because you don't think they're good. It's because that's what you think they're there for, is for you to tell them the things that they could improve. And every once in a while, you got to focus on something they're doing right.
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Because especially with young people, they struggle with that. But I've never thrown a chair at anybody. I don't know, Zach, did you ever have a chair thrown at you from a conductor? I mean, that seems like it's over the top.
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Okay. Close enough, right?
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I had an eraser thrown at me in high school from my teacher. Oh, yeah. I think everybody has, right? Yeah. Several. Oh, yeah.
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We did get into the deep stuff. That's the good stuff, though, you know? That's the good stuff. Straight in the deep end. You know, why small talk when you can deep talk? That's what I think. That's right.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I can't think of one.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
No. Apparently they don't care about us at all, Jared.
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They know our children will bother us until we give up. That's the game.
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I think there's a lot that were, at least for me, like my grandparents' generation that reboots happen that like Wizard of Oz, the remake was way better. Really? Which is the one we all know because there was one from 1925. Okay.
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But there was this whole remake thing with CG in the late 90s when everyone was like, oh, this is the new way we make movies. No, we've shifted back into this practical effects world. But there's a lot of the really old movies that are like, oh, I didn't know that was a remake that I think would apply. But I think if you're looking at modern, last 50 to 60 year remakes, that's going to be harder.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
They're just ruining our childhood.
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Dune's a good remake.
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm on the fence on that one. I mean, like, it's okay.
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It is a good movie, but I, it, I, I feel like they're different movies. I know it's the same movie.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Wait, who was going to say something about doing Adam?
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I didn't see the second half either. I fell asleep in the first one.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I don't. I don't. It's all right.
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You only really need to do the first like two and then it kind of jumps the shark. But the first one is one of, in my opinion, the most magical, beautiful pieces of writing. I mean, it is just it's amazing.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Will Smith. Yeah. Yeah. I just bought, I just bought the DVD of that one. Shut up. Really? No, for real. It's like, I put all of them in Plex and like, I just rewatched it. I'm like, this movie holds up. Like, it actually has, like, a good, yeah, no, like, the things they're doing in it and all the, like, conspiracy and stuff.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Yeah, not even. It's 480 or whatever.
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Yeah. Yeah, no, it's fine. Like, I buy Muse. I just buy, like, there's people I can offer up. I just meet someone, like, here's $2 for a movie or whatever, and I throw it in Plex. Where do you buy these? OfferUp, eBay, wherever.
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I was just like, well, I meet locally. I don't want to pay for shipping.
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No, I mean, like I meet them at a Starbucks, like if it's local, right? Like I just go like, hey, I'm in the area. Can I buy these three movies from you?
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Really? Yeah. I do it all the time.
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Maybe. My threshold's under $5. Yeah. Like if it's under $5 for per movie and like people will sell lots. They're like, I got 300 movies. Which ones do you want? And I'll go get like, give me five movies or whatever. I'm going to meet you up. Here's 10 bucks. Right. And then I'm just like, okay, well then I just, and I put them in plex and that's.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
This is wild. Yeah.
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I have plenty of that.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Yeah. If that's the master. Sure. I'm checking my, I have 1023 movies in Plex and this isn't counting TV shows. This isn't counting shorts. This isn't counting alternative stuff. Like I just, I have boxes and boxes of DVDs over here. Most of them I paid like a buck or two for, and like it's content that I own. I keep in all these streaming services.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
That's true. Like every one of them raised their prices, right? Like how much is Disney Plus now? And it's just like, as someone who ran Disney Plus, I'm like- Are you part of the problem over there?
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Also, they take movies away. I was trying to find something the other day to watch and you can't find it.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Yes. Stop changing our movies. And Enemy of the State was one I couldn't find to watch. Like I literally was like, I want to watch that movie. And you can't stream it. And so I was like, forget it. Like, I'm just going to go. I found it on OfferUp and I was like at the store. I'm like, hey, can you meet me here? And they come over and here you go. Here's your-
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I've been doing it for years.
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Just in case? No, I'm in public. I have more faith in humanity. I'm sorry. I also have a lot of privilege as a white dude in Southern California where I'm just like, yeah, it's fine.
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It took me like 20 seconds to realize what strap meant. I was like, oh, a gun. I'm sorry. A gun. Okay.
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Wait, are we gun people here?
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Can I tell you that my theory is that 1995 was the best year of our lives and we'll never get it back.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Okay, think about the movies from 1995. Like incredible movies.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Okay, that's one. Think about Pizza Hut. 90s Pizza Hut. I did not understand how great 90s pizza. Remember, you had the plastic, which were probably killing us. It was like made of BPA. And there's like massive soda jugs. They come over with the BPA soda pitchers. You get a whole thing. You have booths. There's like a salad bar before it killed you. Oh, yeah. I mean, 90s Pizza Hut was magic.
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I'm tired. I mean, that's the complaint. Okay.
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I wish I could time travel. Okay.
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Emily, these movies are not, I'm looking at the movies right now. This is not living up to. Yes. What's your better version?
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Wait, why is 1999 the best year ever?
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It was a great weekend. I don't have complaints about the weekend. It's just the week starting again.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Okay. Maybe I have to shift it to 1999. I have to look at it.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
But like 95, you can be nostalgic for that too.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
They all told you to eat it backwards? Exactly.
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I just want to be able to like sit. Remember Wendy's? Wendy's had like, it was a nice place to eat. You could go get the dollar menu and not feel like you were going to get some kind of disease in the restaurant.
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This past summer, we took my son for his very first time into a play place. Oh yeah. And like, cause he was like partial COVID. Like we're like, yeah, we're never doing that. And then this summer you're going to be able to do it. So we went to like Burger King and Chick-fil-A and McDonald's. Like we're hitting up all the ones that had, if they had indoor play places, like you can go to it.
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And like, I'm sitting there, I'm like, can we go now? Can we go now? And they're buying DVDs.
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You go play over there.
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Did he love, did they love it or what? Oh yeah, absolutely. And so he has a tier now of like, which ones are the best. And mostly because of which friends he met at each one. Right. And so he's like, oh, well this one had better kids. I'm like, well, like they're not always there. That's hilarious.
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See, that's the problem with like America though. France would be like, no, we work two days this week. You know, it's like we're way off.
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I don't know about your kids. My kid becomes the mayor of whatever playground she's on. I wonder where she gets it. She's like, this is my playground.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Jurassic Park was 95 too, right?
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Yeah. Wait, wait, the level of output can go down?
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You were the... Oh, you're not even... Not me. Jurassic Park was 93. This is not... No.
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Why do I think... Hold on.
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
It's close enough to 95.
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But I thought there was a thing with Michael Crichton...
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Jurassic World is... No, that's the other one.
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Yeah, I know. It's crazy.
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I know. These composers like overdo. Yeah. I mean, everything. It's like, okay.
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They had the Jurassic. They rebooted in 2015. Lost World was 97. That's bad.
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Yeah, Lost World was the second one and that was 97 and then Jurassic Park 3, they went back to the number system, was 2001. So, yeah, it was 93, 97, and 2001.
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There was something in... Maybe I got the year wrong. I thought it was Michael Crichton in one of those years had like the best-selling book, the best-selling movie, and some other element. It was like a special...
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I always wanted an Emmy because I feel like that would be so. It's like Emily has the Emmy.
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I didn't realize he wrote Twister.
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His best book, in my opinion, was Andromeda Strain.
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I think, but it was, the book was magic.
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I know, media with Emily.
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The years are wrong, but the thoughts are right. Hey, it's a good tagline.
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I don't remember. I think Amazon.
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Fly gives you a lot of flexibility, like a lot of flexibility on multiple fronts. And on top of that, you get, so I've talked a lot about the networking and that's obviously one thing, but there's various data stores that we partner with that are really easy to use. Actually, one of my favorite partners is Tigris. I can't say enough good things about them. when it comes to object storage.
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It was probably, I knew of you. I don't know if you knew of me, but I knew of you before Amazon. And I remember when you joined Amazon, I was very excited. And then at that point, it was just a lot of DMs for years. Yes.
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I never in my life thought I would have so many opinions about object storage, but I do now. Tigris is a partner of Fly and it's S3 compatible object storage that basically seems like it's a CDN, but is not. It's basically object storage that's globally distributed without needing to actually set up a CDN at all. It's like automatically distributed around the world.
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And it's also incredibly easy to use and set up, like creating a bucket is literally one command. So it's partners like that that I think are this sort of extra icing on top of Fly that really makes it sort of the platform that has everything that you need.
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Yeah, so Tigris is built on top of Fly's infrastructure, and that's what allows it to be globally distributed. I do have a video on this, but basically the way it works is whenever, like, let's say a user uploads an asset to a particular bucket. Well, that gets uploaded directly to the region closest to the user.
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Whereas with a CDN, there's sort of like a centralized place where assets need to get copied to, and then eventually they get sort of trickled out to all of the different global locations. Whereas with Tigris, the moment you upload something, it's available in that region instantly. And then it's eventually cached in all the other regions as well as it's requested.
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In fact, with Tigris, you don't even have to select which regions things are stored in. You just get these regions for free. And then on top of that, it is so much easier to work with. I feel like the way they manage permissions, the way they handle bucket creation, making things public or private is just so much simpler than other solutions.
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And the good news is that you don't actually need to change your code if you're already using S3. It's S3 compatible. So like whatever SDK you're using is probably just fine. And all you got to do is update the credentials. So it's super easy.
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Yeah, so there's a lot here and I think there's a lot of aspects to the different problems that you have to solve in the integration story in building these integrations and also providing them in a user-friendly way for your customers to self-serve and onboard and consume those integrations. So part of what the Paragon SDK provides is that embedded user experience.
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Again, what we call our connect portal. That's going to provide the authentication for your users to connect their accounts. That's going to be the initial onboarding. But in addition to that, your users may also want to configure different options or settings for their integrations.
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A common example that we see for Salesforce or for CRM integrations in general is that your users may want to select some type of custom object mapping. Every CRM can be configured differently, so your users might want to map objects to some different type of record in their Salesforce or different fields in their Salesforce.
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I mean, some of my closest friends come from Twitter, just random interactions. Yeah.
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And typically that's what developers would have to build on their own is this UI for your users to configure these different settings for every single integration.
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That's also going to be what's provided by the Paragon SDK is not just that initial onboarding and authentication experience, but also the configuration end user UX for different settings like custom field mapping, selecting which types of features on your integration that your user might want to configure. And that's also going to be provided fully out of the box by Paragon SDK.
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With integrations, different APIs might have different rate limits. They might have different policies that you have to conform with. And your developers typically have to learn these different nuances for every API and write code individually to conform to those different nuances.
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Yeah. Well, the only true social network is like someone's phone number, right? Like that's like who, you know, is like really part of your social network. I think it's like, once you have someone's like, you can text someone or like DM their phone.
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With Paragon, because we build and maintain the connector with each of the integrations that we support in our catalog, we're automatically going to handle for things like retries, things like rate limits.
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And so we look at this as sort of the backend or infrastructure layer of the integration problem that we have spent the last five years essentially building and optimizing the Paragon infrastructure to act as the integration infrastructure for your application.
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Mayor of AWS. Hardly.
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I know. AWS, I ended up, I came in as head of DevOps product marketing, which is awesome. Peter Uelander, who is now the CMO of Mongo, pulled me over. He's an incredible leader. So that was a fun time. And then went over to DevRel, led community efforts, really focused around especially third-party communities. I think AWS does a really good job of...
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ensuring people who are already bought into AWS continue to be bought into AWS. I think they have a growth area in reaching developers who are not already AWS fanboys. So that's what I focused on.
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If you don't call yourself a builder, then you're a third party. community for AWS.
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Yeah, I never bought into that term. So if you don't know, at Amazon, when you think about developer, they call developers builders. And it's like I've never roofed a house. I don't have carpentry. I'm not a builder. Though, to be honest, sometimes when you say developer, people will be like, oh, I'm a developer. And they're like, oh, you buy land? You develop land? Yeah.
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Right. No, I don't. I'm not that cool.
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But yeah. And then after AWS, I left, which was a really good decision. I left sort of jumping off a cliff. I didn't have another role. But it was interesting. Like, I don't know if any of you have had this in your career. I was so burnt out and empty that I was just not even showing up the way I wanted to. Yeah. I just needed a break. And it wasn't just Amazon that stuck to my soul.
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Microsoft before that. Microsoft during the pandemic was... a special kind of exhausting. But yeah, took a break. And then in May, June, Forest Brazil was like, hey, I have an idea. Tell me your idea. I was like, I think we could make an influencer marketing agency and connect companies with influencers and get content creators paid. I was like, I like this. Do you think they'd pay for it?
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Turns out they do. And so that's what we've been up to all these months.
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Incredibly creative.
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I was paid well. Happiness is a different conversation. I ended up leaving, honestly, because I was scared for my health. The last five months, my eye was twitching. I'm not even kidding. Like, it just would not stop twitching. And I went to my doctor. I was like, this seems like a bad sign. She's like, yeah, that's not great. Seems like you might be stressed. I was like, no sh**.
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What am I paying for?
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And so I went to an acupuncturist and she actually helped the most. She kind of like made it manageable for the last little home stretch. But yeah, as soon as I realized like there wasn't going to be any kind of meaningful change and I wasn't going to be able to be what I needed to be to be effective. I was like, I can't, I can't keep going.
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And so, yeah, I just, I made the bold decision and it wasn't, I think a lot of times in my, cause I've made some real bold decisions in my career and people sometimes think that I'm just like bold by nature. I am not, I am driven by like, I don't know. I think it was, it's more of a fear response than anything else. Right.
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It wasn't like in that moment, like I could revisionist history this and say like, Oh, I had a plan and I was going to make sure everything was going to be amazing. I was going to go off on my own, but really it was like, I cannot keep going down this path where I will damage myself, both soul and body.
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And it's like, okay, we have to, we have to stop this and figure out what's next, whether that's a new job or something on my own. I don't know, but.
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No, I didn't. I was just like, I know that this, I will die if I continue. Yeah.
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I thought I'd need a month. So this is the lie of burnout. And especially for people who are like, I'll put myself in the high achieving, overachiever category. I generally have no ability to recognize my own limitations. And that's not a good thing, right? And so what happened is I quit, immediately got sick, and was sick for like a month, basically. because I had like held on for so long.
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And then my immune system was just like, time to rest. And so I had that rest. And then I was like, oh, like I remember in January, I was like, time to start writing. It's going to be amazing. And then there was just, you're empty. Like you're so far, you've gone through all your gas. You've gone through the reserve tank. There's nothing there. There's not even fumes.
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And so you just have to sit still. And I actually think one of the hardest things to do in our society in this moment where we we all run so fast and we operate under so much pressure of like being the best, being better, striving to do better in all things all the time.
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like sitting still and not doing anything and trusting like it was really really hard and then i went through like this whole identity crisis of what am i without my big cloud career am i even valuable to the industry as emily freeman like that that was february and then like march april may was just around mostly cleaning closets i really i my friends will tell you like
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I went nuts on just tidying and cleaning and neurotically organizing. I mean, my closets look like a serial killer lives in the house.
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Literally cleaning closets. Literally. No metaphors here.
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Do you remember when we had all our friends' phone numbers memorized?
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No, like literally removing junk, buying perfect little containers, labeling the containers like a psychopath, putting things in. I mean, it's... It's beautiful. But yeah, it was, it's a whole process. And I'm just now to a place where it's like, oh, I have energy. I actually like the industry again.
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Cause I was real, real bearish on tech, the companies, the people, honestly, like, it's just like, what are we doing here? And that's not a good attitude and certainly not a place for creativity and hopeful inspiration, you know? And so, yeah, I needed a break, but I think when you're in burnout, you have this thought of like, Oh, I just take a vacation. It'll be fine.
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Oh, yeah. Do you still have your childhood phone number memorized?
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It's like, no, this is years of compounding stress on, on your body, on your mind and your soul. And it has to, it has to heal. That takes time.
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But those are like once in a career at a company, right?
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I mean, a lot of how much European companies, it's just like you leave for a month. Right. Like you're gone for a month as like normal vacation every year.
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And back in back in September and not like catching up from August, like back in September and I'm going to start in September and we'll see where you're at.
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Well, I think it's I didn't even have energy for that. Like when I say I was empty, I was I was toast.
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I mean, some somewhat, but I've already reinvented myself so many times that at this point, it's like, OK, you have to like stick with something for a minute. I mean, I was I worked in politics and then I worked in PR and then I did politics. nonprofits and then I was writing and then I was in tech and it's like okay I do feel like
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That's amazing. Is that mine too? Yeah.
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I have learned so much around specifically this industry and even more specifically, like how the really big companies operate, what they need, how they fit into the market. I think the role of like AI and developers in the next decade is really interesting. I want to be a part of that. And so, no, I don't think so.
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Well now you, you were born in the year when, in the years when you could port, right? Like, cause like porting phone numbers, right? Like wasn't it?
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And then in all transparency, I mean, like what other industry could we join outside of finance? finance, which is more stressful than this role. Where could we make the money that we make? There's no other, even doctors and lawyers don't make what we make, which is crazy.
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I know they have more, they have more debt.
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Yeah. It's wild to me that they, I mean, some of these doctors come out of school. If you, if you didn't get scholarships or your parents didn't pay for it, you can come out of school at 350, $400,000 in debt. Right. It's insane.
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Cause if you wanted to switch carriers, you had to give up the phone number and you're like, I gotta, I gotta tell everyone.
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Don't have a laundry. Don't have an in-unit laundry. I grew up without an in-unit laundry. And so it's like you have to you have to go where there's machines.
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Coder is a platform to provision you a development environment on any cloud infrastructure. That might be in a VM, that might be inside of a container. But Coder is kind of a developer's route to provision infrastructure for them to write software inside of. We started with the IDE, which is kind of like putting VS code in the browser, which is what most people are certainly familiar with us for.
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And we kind of funneled that into more of a platform where people provision the infrastructure. And a lot of people do use a web IDE with Coder. A lot of people use a local IDE and just connect in.
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What people really come to us for, particularly this problem is really exacerbated if you're a large enterprise, is when you have like 500 engineers that are trying to update like a version of Python. And instead, we allow one engineer to go through that tedious work of updating some scripts or some Docker container.
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And then you can actually just deploy that in one click to say like 500 engineers and make it really, really simple.
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So as a platform engineer, developers might constantly be opening IT tickets that their computer isn't working properly. They might constantly want to update dependencies, but that's a big mess. You constantly have to email people across your team to say, hey, Adam, could we update from Java 17 to Java 18? Those are the kinds of problems that people typically have. That's the status quo.
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You ship people more powerful laptops to improve the build times of your projects. You try to reduce the complexity of your products instead of simply leveraging better hardware. We believe that the future is leveraging the cloud for a lot of these things. You can get more powerful instances in GCP or AWS that can make the build times faster instantly.
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It also opens up like fun conversations. Like I have a 727 phone number. And so that's what, that was what I call my life layover in Florida. People like, wait, you don't live in Florida. Let me tell you about my eight years in Florida.
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You can let one developer create a standardized environment and then distribute it to a thousand so that when you're updating from Java 17 to 18, it's just a simple pull request. You can co-locate your servers right next to something like S3 or a database they're using in development so that you get immediate data transfers and it's not slow.
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Many of our customers, which is a crazy thing to say, but they use absolutely massive monorepos and they get clones that go from like 10 minutes or 20 minutes or an hour to simply like a minute or 30 seconds. It's just a lot simpler when all of your engineers are standardized on one centralized piece of infrastructure and then one person can impact the lives of hundreds of engineers.
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And with that, we don't believe that everything belongs in the cloud. We think that some workloads are really amazing for it and some are absolutely terrible. Coder should be a self-serve offering to your engineers. It should not be prescriptive where you migrate all pieces of software development into the cloud.
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Only the things that really get a lot better by running them in this cloud native way do we really promote moving.
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Yes. So some of it is just like, let's see what happens, which if you don't have that phrase in your life, like I highly recommend just saying, let's try and see what happens sometimes.
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Usually when I say that something catches on fire, just like literally on fire, like my workbench behind me, like I, yeah, it's a problem. You're still standing, Justin. You're still standing.
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I haven't my whole life.
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No, it was a plane with fire. It was just like, did you know cooking flour can explode? Yeah, you can blow off your eyebrows pretty quick with some flour and flames.
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If you fill an area, you can explode a home that way. If you fill with a fan or whatever, like ta-ta, I'm going to get a call. So... Yeah, I think with influencers in particular, I have been an influencer. I don't love that term, but it is the thing that I think people immediately understand what it is. I also think about like content creators or subject matter experts.
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Influencer is just more of a broad umbrella for a lot of different skill sets. I have been on that side. I've also worked at the companies who need people to speak on behalf of the company while not also being employed there, right? I think, and I mean, Justin, you've experienced this.
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When you work at a company, I think you are obviously the most knowledgeable about those products and services because you have the most time to dedicate to those products and services. And there's this layer of, well, you work there. Of course you have to say nice things. And there's a trust. Like I think I've, I made a commitment all those years ago when I first started in developer relations.
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And I think I've held true to it, which is I am never going to come up here and say something that is factually inaccurate. I am never going to blanket represent anything. a product and say it's the best without understanding your situation. You know, I'm, I'm, I have on a number of occasions suggested a different product for customers.
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It's like, well, this isn't going to solve your problem because of X, Y, and Z go over here. That's the only way I think you keep and maintain trust credibility. And that's, I mean, my reputation is based on authenticity and my credibility and my reputation. I am not going to violate that or my commitment to the community for a paycheck. I'm just not.
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Wait, where were you in Orlando?
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Um, but still there's this, there's this thought of like, okay, well, are you the most, like, have you actually utilized this outside of the company? And often you haven't. And so a lot of times companies are looking for folks to either create that content, do deep dives. And that can be long form content, a blog, a tutorial, a video or short form content. It's, you know,
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Well, I know. I used to live there.
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a social post, a LinkedIn post, a video on TikTok or Instagram. And really it's not just about this is a great product. That's awesome if it is, but it's more about how do you utilize this? Where is this useful? What are the pros and cons about that? And that type of authentic voice for companies is priceless. I mean, they need it, but there's a lot of challenges with that. Yeah.
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In the year 2024, this is post-Twitter, and in the year of AI can generate pretty much anything. How much of that is still... Because I feel like the platform... Platforms play a huge role in any sort of DevRel marketing. And if the platforms are falling apart, you don't really have the... the reach or the credibility of the platform.
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Like, yeah, I can't guarantee that a post is going to go anywhere.
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Right. Like there's so much of that that's just out of my hands, but also the fact that like AI, any text box on the internet, AI can fill it and, and they can generate credible people, right. That don't exist. And in personas that don't even exist and say like, Oh, this is someone that will tell you all the things you want to hear and can earn that money. How much of that plays into this?
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What companies are willing to pay for?
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Right. But now, I mean, once we remember who they are, they are ruined forever. Yeah.
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We've already forgot their names.
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No, it's the best question and it's like the first thing that people ask, right? Why would this be valuable? AI can do this. And it's yes and no. I mean, yes, you can generate content through AI and I'm sure it will get better. But that plethora of content developed by machines is actually making... real, human, authentic voices more valuable.
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Because as the market is flooded with this content that is generated, I don't know that this is, if it comes from someone I don't know, then how can I trust this content? But if it comes from you, I know you, I've seen you, I already trust you. When it comes from you, that is so much more valuable. And so we're actually seeing the opposite of what you would think.
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The existing newsletters, videos, influencers are commanding even higher prices because people know and trust them already.
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But how does someone get started there? Right. Because like you can't build that reputation without like I can never out content creates AI and computers. Right. Like I could just like they can make it so much more. I'm like, I have to be really focused on. I want to make this thing and it's going to take me three hours. And what other thing am I not going to do for three hours?
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Amazing. Did Florida have like the area code turf wars? Like in LA, like it's a thing. Like if you have a nine Oh nine, like you're like, no, no, no. Like you're out of here. And yeah, it's, it's very, and then like they split too. Cause it's like, it's like this moment where like, Hey, we have too many phone numbers here. So like I have a six to six, which I'm very proud of for a lot of reasons.
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But then if I'm getting started today, where do you even go?
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Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
It's well, it's not about. I mean, quantity, you're never going to beat a machine on quantity, right? It's about your unique voice. I think the thing that separates influencers across the board, and we see this, like when I place for a client, I'm not just looking for, can this person actually reach this number of eyebrows?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Obviously that is important, but it's, are they experts in this specific area? niche? What is their voice? Are they trusted? Who is their audience? And is their audience dialed in, right? There are newsletters that you can go place in a sponsorship in and get way more impressions than you can through Freeman and Forrest, but the clicks and the impressions are worthless to you.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And so, you know, we really focus on high value, high impact impressions. You're really dialing into, these are specifically the people who are either going to buy and or use your products.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And full disclosure, like Emily, you've reached out to me to make content on behalf of someone. And I was never an expert for any of those companies. And so it was like, yeah, this doesn't seem to make sense.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Yeah. And so that's, it's really important to me to, to work on that and to make sure that that authenticity holds and that the, the creators that we work with are going to be the best ones matched with each company. That's, that's the sort of magic of Freeman and Forrest.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And we have learned so many things that I wouldn't have even thought of prior to starting this business. But think about at a company, like I'll pick on the large companies who struggle with vendors. A cloud to onboard a vendor to one of the major tech companies, six month process takes forever. So to do that with 20 influencers is impossible.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And I was like, I'm holding on to that six to six.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
So for us with the larger companies, that's a huge selling point. It's like you write one check, we handle the rest for you. And then two, yeah, it takes an entire... This is a full-time gig.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
So unless you have a resource for a full-time role to actually scope out influencers, maintain those relationships, make the placements, look at scheduling, look at the type of content, you're not going to be able to do it because we're just experts. I mean, at this point, I know so many of the influencers, where they play, what plays well on their different assets.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
That is something I could have only learned by doing this 100% of the time. And so, yeah, it's been phenomenal learning how this actually operates and the best possible ways to get the biggest ROI for companies.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
When you say assets, you mean like someone's social network, right? Like where they have a presence or whatever they reach people.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Yes. So that's how I think of like ChangeLog is an asset, right? You all are influencers, but it's like a mini to mini relationship, right? But ChangeLog has many influencers and you all have different podcasts, right, Justin? You're associated with this and other pods, other sort of, yeah, YouTube channels, et cetera.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I don't know if that's a thing other places. I know here in LA, it's just like, oh, my wife has a 909. I'm like, I'm sorry. What are you sorry for? You just feel bad for her? Yeah.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
What assets were surprising to you that people wanted to reach or that you're like, cause like, are people advertising on podcasts in as much in 2024? Is it newsletters? Is it, I mean, I think that if, if people had text message access to everyone's phones, right?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Like you guys had a group chat, like that would be like the most intimate sort of like, Hey, I want to influence, like you're not influencing you, but Hey, I want to tell you about this cool thing, right? Like that would be an amazing thing to have for people. But also on the other end, it's like, I have a blog and, and hardly anyone comes to it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
So great question. And circling back to what Jared said at the very beginning, yes, proximity with text messages, sure. And too intimate, too fat. Like it's a violation at that point, right? And so it's finding this balance. The assets that do the best are newsletters and LinkedIn. Those are the ones that get the highest number of impressions and specifically the highest number of click-throughs.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
So if you're working on something like getting someone to actually play with a product or experiment or sign up, that's sort of the path where you're going to go. On the other hand, there's awareness campaigns, right? There's companies that are doing amazing work, but they're primarily known in Europe or LATAM or, you know, and so they want to come into the American market.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I mean, Denver has 720 and 303, but I don't think anyone like, but that's a very not Colorado thing to be worried about. They're just like, we don't.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And that's where you would see a lot more of just a brand lift and see sponsorships of podcasts and more things where you're not like,
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Well, let's take AI out of it for a moment. You know, a lot of times people, especially people who are just brand new either to the industry or to actually sort of learning in public, they'll say, well, what's the value of my blog post? These things have already been written. But it's not written by you, right?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
We all come with specific points of view, specific experiences, personalities, you know, people who really resonate with me aren't going to resonate with others and people who resonate with others aren't going to resonate with me. And I think it's finding your voice and really being true to who you are. That's the key to this. not trying to fit a format.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I think people, and I'm seeing this a lot and I prefer not to work with them. It's like people will try and rise really quickly and build an audience very quickly through being kind of mean or cutting things down or people down, being like extra spicy. I think being an influencer, you want to be like jalapeno hot, not ghost pepper hot. And it just doesn't it doesn't feel good.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Not just for like brands, but like, these aren't people that I want to watch or be close to.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Cause it's, it's like the emotion hacking, right? Cause like you need the engagement. So you play on people's emotions and the quickest emotion that someone will like engage with is hatred. Right. And they're just like, Oh, I hate this. I have to reply. And I have to, it's like, Oh yeah, you can, you can hack your way into that to your blog post point though.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I have so many people that ask me about writing and maintaining a blog. And I love encouraging everyone, like go own a domain and write a blog, but you don't write for someone else. You write for yourself. Exactly. Right. It doesn't matter. It's been said a million times by other people. You've never said it and you need to say it for yourself.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And you're writing the blog post that you can think through the thoughts and you could develop the rest of the idea and write slowly and be a little bored with.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Right. You have a bunch of drafts and you're like, I want to pick that one up again. Oh, I thought about that background process is finally finished. I can go finish that, you know, a couple of paragraphs and post it.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
It doesn't matter who reads it and. Why? Because you wrote it for yourself.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Yes, exactly. And please, if you're listening to this, start a newsletter. I have so many placements and I need more.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
My college roommate had a five-digit. And it was just like, you're amazing. Like that was top tier. Like, no way. Yeah. But like it's the same thing with every social network, right? Like, cause you can get vanity phone numbers. You can buy an X, like a single letter, two letter X account or whatever. It's just people want those, those things that are important to them.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I don't, I don't think we have time for it, but I kind of disagree with what you said.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Right. It's going to be a it's going to be something because there's so much just there's so much just pattern matching that is just like people don't realize that like there were patterns to exist. And I think one of the biggest things of AI has done is just like exposed a lot of those patterns. It's like, actually, it's not smart. It's not intelligent.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
It just matched the patterns from a bigger set of data. And she's like, wow, I found the pattern. Here you go. Here's the pattern back. And also I worked with and know a lot of humans that don't connect to the broader dots. Right. And in cases of like work and things are complex, but also in the cases of maturity and like my kids don't do that. Right.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Like there's this like subset of like there are people that can connect the dots. And I love working with those people. I love learning from those people. But some of the smartest people I know remember what the world was like 10 years ago. And they're the ones that can connect the dots of, oh, we did this 10 years ago. This pattern is playing out again.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And then we can just show you the way forward. And I think that those data sets exist and AI is able to remember 10 years ago better than a lot of humans.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I don't know what this one, uh, I think, but I think the, the, like the, the human creator side of it is a lot about imperfection. And it's a lot about the things that like, Hey, you said that wrong by accident or whatever. And like, people are like, Oh, like, but you're not an AI. You didn't do it. Perfect.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Like the, it's not a forgiveness thing, but it's like, I see your humanity in that you're still learning too. And I'm with you because I'm learning that at the same time or I'm catching up or whatever. Like humanity isn't about perfection. It is about sharing all the little imperfections along the way.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I will leave you with what I always tell people. You know, when we look at the perfect people on Instagram or whatever else, the perfect bodies, the perfect hair, the perfect makeup, perfect families, et cetera, et cetera. We don't actually bond with them. People bond with other people over struggle and realness. And I always think of it as clay.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
When you're making a teapot, you have to scratch the surface of each side before you put the pieces together and have them actually join each other. And I think to your point, Justin, that sort of real, authentic humanity is what allows all of us to come together and to really form those relationships.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And that is something that is just impossible to replicate outside of our very broken, emotional, beautiful human experience.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
That's true. I'm currently on the, as we muddle through this era where we're like, should we leave Twitter? What other networks are available? Every time a new network comes up, I have to join, get Emily Freeman, and then basically forget about it. And it's obnoxious.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Right. I'm going to pitch you on Blue Sky. I know you're already on there. I am, but like the domain, the domain thing is really cool, right? Like you buy the domain and the domain is your authority.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I mean, it, it, it shifted it to domain registration, right?
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I don't know. I have some, some beef with blue sky over their early days. I don't know if they've cleaned up, but.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And we don't, we didn't get to pick a new horse. We have it now a stable of ponies.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Can we talk about how LinkedIn is like the most effective social network right now? And it's blowing my mind.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I'm reporting that I don't know you.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
That's totally fair.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I like it. And I feel like LinkedIn kind of, they kind of went to the Facebook route of like, you should be connected to this person somehow outside of this network. Right. And that was like, you worked together, you knew them through a conference, but then like,
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
social media and everything else online just kind of like blew that up to me like i just forget i'm like forget it like years and years ago i'm like i will accept pretty much every request yeah i was like if you if i don't look like you're gonna spam me in dms like it's fine like we can be reconnected yeah and sometimes they spam you and you just wanted a nice little note so it's like okay that sounds nice yeah and then and then like at that point i can disconnect and i can block them exactly like it's yeah
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
If you like that feature, keep it, do it for you. That's great.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Do all accounts have that feature? I don't know. Cause for a while it was only the, what are they called? Creator accounts. Like you had to like, like apply to it. Uh, same thing for like long posts and videos. And there was a handful of things that they gated behind this. Like you had to have so many connections and follow or connections first, then you could apply for it. Then they approved you.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Cause I did that like three or four years ago. And at that point it was just like, I don't know what feature is, is for everyone or which one is like special. Yeah.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Yeah, I feel like Twitter is for the fast stuff and LinkedIn is for the evergreen.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
My family's all in Northern Alabama and my father growing up, uh, my, my grandfather was horrified of tornadoes. In fact, the school knew that a storm was coming when my grandfather walked across the courtyard to fetch all the, the, his kids and all the cousins. And then he would make everyone sit in the cellar for way too long. And so they called it the cellar dweller club.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Exactly. Just sitting there for hours.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I saw another one.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
But I go see it tonight, actually. So we'll see. I'll let you all know.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Well, I thought it was just because they didn't want to say Twister, too. It's just Twisters.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. That's true. Every sequel needs a clever name now. That's true.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
No, it's because they're remaking every movie from our childhoods.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
And they're trying to trick us into thinking they're new f***ing movies. Oh, can I curse in here? Sorry. And they're not.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
Oh, Wonka was a crime. A sheer crime.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I'll leave it as a background process. And then just randomly in the middle of conversation.
The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
Starbucks DVD peddlers (Friends)
I mean, there's plenty that are good, but were they better than the original? Probably not.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
MAYBE WE’RE FALLING IN LOVE Ft. Kay Poyer | Episode 152
Mm-hmm.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
MAYBE WE’RE FALLING IN LOVE Ft. Kay Poyer | Episode 152
Absolutely.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
PSYCHIC BUT STUPID Ft. Trixie Mattel | Episode 151
By the way, I brought you a gift.
The Deck
William Alvarado (Ace of Spades, Connecticut)
people have come forward about saying that they're scared or reluctant to talk just based on his threats. I think that's the motivation to get people to call to get this guy out of their lives and out of their buildings. He's basically preying on these elderly and disabled residents, whether it's through drugs or violence or threats or some kind of fraud or scam.
The Deck
William Alvarado (Ace of Spades, Connecticut)
Now that we've peeled the onion, so to speak, so much on him, more and more of these cases are coming to light about this guy's
The Excerpt
BONUS | Opinion: What do you think of President Trump's leadership in his first 100 days?
I think this administration is both inept and inhumane and irrational. Trump and his administration are just willy-nilly destroying the country, from education to public safety to our standing in the world to our military. When you fire so many people willy nilly and kick working immigrants out of the United States, you're creating some real problems.
The Excerpt
BONUS | Opinion: What do you think of President Trump's leadership in his first 100 days?
The tariffs are beyond comprehension and making enemies of our long time neighbors and friends, Canada and Mexico. Hard to imagine why you want to do that. I think prices everywhere are going up. The automobile industry is roiling. My children are super concerned about being able to afford a house, whether or not their jobs will exist.
The Excerpt
BONUS | Opinion: What do you think of President Trump's leadership in his first 100 days?
I think on every level, I don't think there's any part of the economy that is moving positively at this point. At least during Trump's previous administration, there were some adults in the room. It does not appear that there are any adults in the room and it does not appear that there are any guardrails that so many people have brought up. There are guardrails to keep our government in place.
The Excerpt
BONUS | Opinion: What do you think of President Trump's leadership in his first 100 days?
They seem to be crushed one after the other. I would like to see the Trump administration behave in the way that government is intended to behave. That the executive is one of three branches of government, and when the Supreme Court issues a ruling, the executive, or when Congress passes a law, the executive should respect and enact those actions.
The Excerpt
BONUS | Opinion: What do you think of President Trump's leadership in his first 100 days?
But it would be great if they just behaved in the way that our Constitution intended.
The Genius Life
487: Why Feeling "Seen and Heard" Can Save Your Relationship and Your Sanity | Caroline Fleck, PhD
Yeah.
The Genius Life
487: Why Feeling "Seen and Heard" Can Save Your Relationship and Your Sanity | Caroline Fleck, PhD
Mm-hmm.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Oh, so you're saying you would do that disinformation if you were covering up UAPs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And for a variety of reasons, these deep state organizations, by which I mean Department of Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, State Department, are absolutely freaked out about it, as are the kind of global elite that end up supporting the NGOs pushing for that same agenda. George Soros, you know, Craig Newmark, Piero Midiar, the people that basically end up financing the NGOs that the U.S.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I don't think it's imminent. But here's what I would say. I would say if it's – so first of all, if the government is running a disinformation campaign on UAPs against the American people – Right. That's bad. And it seems like that's serious business. And it seems like if they are doing that, then I would want to know. It seems like they're doing that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, I'm I'm comfortable saying I'm like 90, 95 percent that the government is hiding. Okay. And the reason I'm so confident on that is because Donald Trump said so multiple times that they're hiding information. And I cite him in the article.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So they told him something that he says has not been made public to the American people. So my view is, look, if you think it's either a secret weapons program... that it's a government disinformation program, that it's just mis-sightings, then I want the government... They have an obligation to tell us. The first article of the Constitution is congressional oversight of the executive branch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That is why we are a democracy. If you have an executive branch that is... Even covert operations, secret weapons programs, all must be shared. It doesn't have to be the whole Congress. They have the Gang of Eight, which is the heads of the military and intelligence committees, plus the ranking member, plus the speaker and the Senate and the minorities. Those eight people... have to be told.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
government then comes along and finances, which, by the way, is another thing that we keep discovering. Like, we'll be in Brazil and we'll be like... wow, these NGOs are doing the exact same thing in Brazil that they're doing in Europe. Oh, and they happen to be funded by George Soros. They happen to have fact-checking groups that come along and fact-check as a pretext for censorship.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, maybe it's a lantern, but... Oh, whoa. It does move weird. It didn't have, like, a paper around it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It was not windy at all. That's fucking weird. It was weird. It's definitely weird. But it's not moving supernaturally. I don't, again, all I'm saying is that it's unidentified.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, also, they didn't look big. So, I mean, I'm not suggesting there was anybody in there. Right. And it wasn't an orb. Yeah, the story seems more interesting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They do advertiser boycotts against the social media companies in order to control the social media companies. Obviously, there was this huge infiltration of Twitter. I mean, since I saw you last, we discovered what basically looks like a CIA effort to take over the content moderation at Twitter.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's dope. If it is, it could be lightning. If that's ball lightning, that's wild. The other one would be to look at the Chinese lanterns and see how they compare to the orange lanterns.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, it's a lantern, bro. It didn't look like it, but you could be right. I don't know. I just don't know. Who knows?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So what do you think – This whistleblower says that – the other part of the story is the description of the database. And they say that there is this – very large database of high-quality videos, still photos, and also other sensory data that has captured atmospheric effects of UAPs. Christopher Mellon had said that the Pentagon has much better quality video evidence than has been released.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Show me. This person says that there's a lot of it. And they describe one case of an F-22, which is an amazing fighter jet, being escorted by a set of UAP orbs out of its target mission area. Another case of a UAP declining from very high up in the atmosphere and coming right over an aircraft carrier that the entire crew saw. So some incidents that have not been reported.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The report is in the hands of members of Congress. And this is a critical time because, again, if you are a skeptic, if you're a debunker, whatever, you should not want the government spreading disinformation on this. If you want to get to the bottom of it, we should get to the bottom of it. We need Congress to hold hearings.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then the other pitch I'd make on this issue is that these people that I'm interviewing, if they're – first of all, if they're actors, they're incredible because they are genuinely terrified when I talk to them. They're genuinely scared. You know, most actors aren't very good actors. So I'm always like these guys are the greatest actors I've ever met, these people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It was former CIA people, Aletheia Group, which basically was – we discovered these internal memos where they're basically trying to come in and create a special new content moderation, which is, of course, code for censorship. How did they frame that? They framed it – it's so fascinating because, of course, we can see all the memos and we have it, so it's not a theory. They were addressing –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So they need better whistleblower protections. And if you interview congressional staffers, members of Congress, they will acknowledge that whistleblowers do not have proper protections, whether for UAPs or anything else.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We had done something on something called the Cyber Threat Intelligence League with Taibbi showing this. And it was an early military censorship operation. And they had a list of tactics. And one of them was to get people banned on every platform. So you're basically just depersoning people, just destroying their career.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I don't know. I don't know. All I'm really confident saying is in other words, I'm very much an incrementalist in the sense that like I like my stories to move the ball forward. It's been over a year since I've done a story on this. And I was always like I'm not going to – I'm not somebody that wants to just – I mean on some things I'll write a similar story like a free speech or whatever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But on this issue, I'm like I'm not going to write a new story unless I really have something. Right. I'm very confident that the government is not revealing all that it knows and that Arrow, the organization that the Congress created to reveal what the government knows, did not reveal what it knows. And that really it was engaged because, look, it's one thing to be like.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Hey, we didn't find anything. It's all good. But then for the guy that was running that program to come out and actively disparage people in the ways that they're doing, that's character assassination. That's the ridicule strategy. I object to that because I don't think that that's conscionable. I think you can be like, look, that person misinformed it or whatever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You thought that the orange orbs were something that they weren't or whatever. But to go out there and like actively disparage people, that really, I think it's very concerning. It is concerning. And it also makes you very suspicious. Yeah. So why would you why the need to be such a dick about it? Is this still a picture? No, no, no. The distance like it's a it's it's a strategy of of of counter.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's a strategy of character assassination. And I think it's not something that our government should be engaged in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean I think that if you read through the histories – so I mean I just think the problem is that there's so many possibilities of what's going on. Like I said, I'm a little skeptical that we've mastered anti-gravity because that would just be so game-changing and I think it would just take a huge amount of effort on the other hand.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I have interviewed people that are not comfortable coming forward yet that say that we have and claim direct evidence of that. And it's just not, I can't unfortunately say much more about it. And these are folks that want stronger whistleblower protections to be able to come forward. But I find it hard to believe just because of my knowledge of nuclear that we've got those capabilities.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I also, you know, like what's amazing is like the most for me, one of the most amazing parts of this is when you just go to the newspaper archives and you're reading stories from the 40s and the 50s and 60s and 70s. And you're seeing and that's part of the reason I am also with you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I'm skeptical that we are getting any closer because there's a way in which like you read New York Times magazine stories from the 1960s and 70s that actually treat the subject differently. not with ridicule, but treated seriously. And they actually were reporting on government programs and whatnot.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They basically were – in the internal – in the sales pitches from this Aletheia group, they were selling the – they were basically hyping the criticisms that Twitter was getting for not censoring enough. And then they were saying, well, we're going to bring all this intelligence experience and we've got these people that are really skilled at foreign languages.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. Which, by the way, if you watch that original press conference where he says it could be swamp gas, which I think it was a Michigan sighting, the whole room just goes, ah. The whole room is so convinced that it's not swamp gas. It's like journalists. They ridicule the idea that it's swamp gas. So there's definitely moments in history where you have elites –
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You know, media elites, government elites and others who are like, this is a real phenomenon we need to take seriously. I think we're in that moment again now. Congress needs to do more. We need to have those protections for whistleblowers. They need to pass this disclosure legislation.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And anybody who, in my view, who anybody that's like a debunker or a skeptic or whatever, who says that we shouldn't pass legislation to disclose what the government knows. For me, that person is acting in bad faith because if you're really sure that there's nothing there, then you should be first in line to demand disclosure.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Let's say that there's extraterrestrials, and the government knows about it. And let's say maybe they're already in contact. And then the government comes out and goes, hey, we've been in contact with extraterrestrials. Mm-hmm. Like, what did they say? They go, the extraterrestrials told us that there is no God and that they were just they had they created all these religions.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Then the question is, why would we believe them? I mean, in other words, like if you're like a truly... Who's saying that? I'm not saying anybody is.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No, I'm saying that if you go through the scenario that goes, oh, societies will collapse because people will... It'll counter... I mean, that's the story, right?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It depends because, I mean, I think that you have a scenario where it goes – again, we're just completely – I'm talking mass hysteria, fear. I don't know. I mean if the government is like, look, we've been in contact with them for decades and here's what they want. They just want an earth base and they want some of our – You know, whatever.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I think if they were like, actually the abductions are all real and we signed a deal to trade technology for abductions, that could be problematic. Do you think that's real? I've read that before.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, but we've gone through- I mean, I included how we've protected gorillas in my book, Apocalypse Never, and we actually- I saw a gorilla in a zoo just a few years ago.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean they were promising to bring in people that spoke all these different languages. Yeah. And there was some internal resistance within Twitter, but it basically was on track to happen. And then Elon buys Twitter and it all ends.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Joe, you've got to go see gorillas in Central Africa live. It's incredible. It's an incredible experience. But a huge amount of people have, I mean, Diane Fossey, I mean, people have fought to protect gorillas in their native habitat. The gorillas know we're there. Right. They actually, you have to.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That case, I just read a debunking of that case. Debunking? Yeah. How can you debunk it? And I found it. You found it? There it is.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, was that so hard? Why did that take four days?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
USAP is just an unacknowledged special access program. So they say it's bullshit. I think I'm going to—well, I mean, I would expect that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You're saying if there is truly extraterrestrials, then the government would do disinformation. Yes. I think that's interesting. That makes sense. I mean... Because they always go, people always go, well, it's just a secret weapons program. And so they're just trying to create the aliens around it. But we had a Manhattan Project.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I mean, honestly, I go I mean, I'm careful. I don't want to engage in hyperbole, but I do feel like what we're seeing is totalitarianism, that this is it's not tanks and torture chambers, at least not yet. But the this instinct, this this demand to control the entire information environment, because, of course, it's not the censorship is in service. Of actually propaganda.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, right. I mean, remember Mike Pompeo, Trump's CIA director, when he was asked why they didn't release all the JFK files, he said because some of the people involved are still alive. So that is potentially a plausible reason if we assume Mike Pompeo was telling the truth about why they didn't release all the JFK files.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Then they should do, by the way, then they should do blanket amnesty. I agree. That would be one way to solve that problem.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You mentioned the Bob Lazar case, and I don't know if it's true or not, but I think the ad hominems, like when you see them using ad hominem character assassination, you're like, well, wait a second. Plenty of dirtbags. um, are right about things. Sure. Many of them worked in the FBI and CIA and the military.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Certainly plenty of people, like in other words, everybody that worked on secret weapons programs was like a boy scout, you know? So, so the idea, so the, the, the character assassination and the homonym for me is a bit of a tell that there's something, there's some other agenda going on than just being like, no, there's no information or almost always.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And we know it's so effective because the other thing it does is it scares everybody else off. So you end up only – the few people that are willing to do this are people that are more confident. They've got a career. They're not worried like I'm – Or they're just people that just feel compelled.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They both want to prevent certain information from getting out, and then they want to promote certain information. I just reread 1984 by George Orwell, and it's like, this is what he's talking about. This is what he's worried about.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It feels like people should know. Look, and that's why the whistleblower came forward is because David rushed his courage. I don't think we're alone.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They're very – if we're not alone, then the phenomenon is just so elusive.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If we're not alone – then the reason that we don't know what they are is because of them and not strictly because of the U.S. government. I think both. Because if we're not alone and they are doing all these things, then they're certainly more than capable of making themselves known.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But then what are they doing? I mean, that's the thing.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We observe... But the other thing, we observe... Remember, it's interesting, because the study of gorillas was always part of actually protecting gorillas.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's amazing. It's a golden age of journalism, too. I mean, it's a great time to be in journalism.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I appreciate you. I appreciate you opening up the conversation in the ways you have. Honestly, there is no way that the whole society could be having this conversation about UAPs if it weren't for you. True story.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, 100%. In fact, it's not just that. They were using social media to support – I mean CIA, intelligence community, defense department were using social media for Arab Spring, for the color revolutions in Eastern Europe. It was a weapon. It was part of what they call hybrid warfare, getting people – mobilizing people in the streets to do regime change, to overthrow governments.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean if you can – The holy grail for, I mean, it's like Sun Tzu, you know, the best way to win is by not having to fight, you know? So if you can not have to fire any bullets, if you don't, you know, CIA 1.0 after World War II, you know, it's a crude military overthrow of governments.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
CIA 2.0 regime change is you put a bunch of people in the street, peaceful protest, get the head of state to resign or call an early election and then overthrow the government that way. So social media was a tool of U.S. government statecraft, right? for whatever that period was when, you know, Arab Spring 2011 until 2016.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then, yeah, I think it was basically Brexit, Duterte in Philippines is another right-wing populist that gets elected, Trump. And even though I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that Trump was not elected because of social media. He was elected because he defeated his opponents and his Republican opponents in the debates. And then...
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You can't make a career as a journalist or a politician if you're banned from every platform. So that was one of the most dramatic parts, all in secret, all open investigations ongoing. And basically, there's no checks and balances. There's no chance to argue with it. So that came out.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
defeated Hillary in the election, mostly through conventional media. His use of social media and those other things clearly triggered a reaction from these deep state organizations. I like it. It's funny. I just read this beautiful history of the printing press and Oxford history.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And the printing press at first, you know, 15th century, first hundred years, the Catholic Church is just like, we love the printing press. You know, we're just cranking out Bibles and It's going great.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then Martin Luther gets a hold of the printing press and prints his theses, which are mostly attacking the church for corruption, for selling indulgences as a way to pay for your sins, basically. And he condemns that. And he literally goes viral. I mean, when you read that history, you're like, it's eerily similar to social media. I mean, it's amazing because...
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, I mean, long story short, there's like a long period of revolutions and wars and the Protestant Reformation and then the Counter-Reformation. And they're like the printing presses. They're like hiding them in people's houses. The church and the government is trying to – is arresting people for having printing presses. The printing presses go to Netherlands.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They're sneaking the printing presses into the Netherlands. Wow. And so it's like you can't help but see it. You're like, wow, it's like VPNs. Because in Brazil, when they were like, we're going to ban X, we're like, get a VPN, you know, and VPN in. Still hard for people to post publicly because that would obviously show that they were on it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But still, it's like you're always and this is sort of an argument. This would be an argument for Elon to cut a deal to get X back up in Brazil. And I'm not saying that's what he should do. I'm just saying one argument for it is that, you know, stay in the game.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Don't let them confiscate your printing press out of principle or pride because at some other point, you're going to be able to find a way to work around that censorship.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They have a line in their constitution that is extremely strong, that there should be no censorship for social or political issues. The problem is that their constitution is so long and it was created by so many people that there's then all these other caveats, like you can't engage in racism, you can't engage in hate. You can't there's the Nazis are Nazi parties banned in Brazil.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So there's all sorts of other things that I mean, the Constitution is full of contradictions. It's a huge problem.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It made me the whole experience, by the way, because, you know, when you're growing up and you go and you grow up and you go to, you know, you go to elementary school and high school and the teachers are telling you the Constitution of the United States is so special and you're just like, oh, come on, you know, like whatever.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But you realize when you get older and you you realize the First Amendment, It's so radical because basically every other country in the world, certainly every other Western country, the progression of free speech was you would ask the king for permission. He's like, oh, king, can we criticize you for this? And he'd be like, oh, OK, we'll allow you to do that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And Elon responded like three days later and was like, yeah, Brazil's like the worst in the world and just starts attacking the Supreme Court justices like Darth Vader and Voldemort and doing what Elon does.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But free speech was something gradually granted to the people. Here, as soon as they get the Constitution done, Jefferson and other anti-federalists, the people that were pretty skeptical about even wanting a country, were like, we need a bill of rights, and the first thing up there needs to be free speech, and it's without qualifications.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So the First Amendment doesn't say, except for libel and defamation and imminent incitement of violence, those things were Supreme Court rulings in the 250 years after the Constitution was ratified in 1789. And so that's why it's so amazing is that you just never... I mean, this history I just read of free speech is so amazing because all this battles over how much free speech to have.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Is it just for the elites? Is it for the people? Then you get to the United States and it's just a clear moment in history where the founders of this country were just like... Fuck it. Like this is essential. Like the speech comes before the government, the government. You don't have a government and then have free speech.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We have free speech as an inalienable right from God or from our creator or just something that we're saying that we have. And then you make a government based on speech. So this Orwellian idea that we hear, including
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
you know, tragically from Barack Obama and now his two secretaries of state, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and Bill Gates, they're saying we have to have censorship to protect democracy. It's like the most Orwellian un-American idea. It's anathema.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
My colleagues don't want me to talk about – don't be conspiratorial about this. There's other explanations for it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Fast forward to last month and they had a huge protest in Sao Paulo, one of the largest free speech protests in history, which was itself just amazing and inspiring because free speech has been something that we didn't really think we had to fight for. So to see like hundreds of thousands of people in the streets of Sao Paulo was amazing. I was there with the former president.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean that's kind of run-of-the-mill corruption. I mean with Gates, you get into Epstein, right?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Every day, every day. You've been neck deep in the chaos of the world. I made it to Brazil and back, so I'll put it that way. What was that like? It was intense, man. I mean, it's still going on. We did Twitter Files Brazil. Right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean so I'm not saying this is the reason. But I mean it is – like this is not a theory. The current CIA director – Bill Burns was at Epstein's apartment multiple times. Bill Gates was there. I believe the last time I checked, nobody knows how many times actually Bill Gates was with Jeffrey Epstein.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He went out and did this, you know, really he did this PBS interview where he just looks guilty the whole time in his defense of talking about Epstein.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Which is just the wildest thing to say. It's weird that – yeah, like you're like that's what he was thinking. When she was like, why are you – he's basically like, why are you going on and on about it? He's dead. It's like, well, we weren't talking about him. We were talking about you and your relationship with him. Right, right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So, I mean, look, so obviously there is – there was a sex blackmail operation. I mean, I'm 90, 95 percent on it. I think the Wall Street Journal reporters who did fantastic reporting on this are probably 99 percent. That was a sex blackmail operation. They were shooting film. There were one-way mirrors. They were entrapping people. There's known connections to Mossad.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I just don't believe that Mossad operates in the United States without –
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And they're underage. Yeah. And then the next thing, and you don't know it, but that mirror on the wall, someone's filming you. And then you're owned. Yeah. So, I mean, look, that's possible.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, and that Epstein was killed in jail. I mean, that's just the most suspicious thing. I mean, I don't know anybody that thinks it was suicide.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They believe it. So, I mean, look, that could explain it. I mean, look, I think Soros really believes this stuff. I think Gates. I mean, these are people like when you get that powerful, you don't stop wanting more power. You want more power.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right. Assuming you have skeletons in the closet. I mean, we do know one of his affairs with a young Russian chess player. Bridge. Bridge player. That's not contested. That's established. When he was going through his divorce, Melinda, you see the leaks to the New York Times about Epstein occurred while she's negotiating over the divorce. So clearly she knew something.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You don't necessarily need that. You don't need Epstein to explain Gates. But I mean, Gates, he just came out with a Netflix documentary. This wasn't some like offhanded remark. He was on the whole Netflix documentary talking about specifically at great length about why we need to have censorship apparatus in place. And he gave multiple reasons.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He sort of sees me, brings me up. I'm up on top of the stage. He's just yelling at the crowd. Everyone's worked up. He kind of looks over at me and covers the mic. He's like, it's Schellenberger, right? He's like, Michael Schellenberger's up here. And the crowds just, you know, they knew about the Twitter files.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I just did a debate with Bill Nye in Florida. He's the science guy. The science guy. Yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Because I'm anti-science, obviously. You must be. And, you know, I mean, I just pointed out that simple fact that I just point out the vaccine didn't obviously prevent infection or transmission. And the crowd, oh, you know, how can you say that and whatever? And it's like because it because everybody knows it reduced hospitalizations and reduced death. And I agree with that. I mean, that's fine.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But the point isn't I'm not arguing about the vaccine. I'm arguing that it didn't do what they said it did. And nobody's actually. And then they just gaslight you as though that were the reason they were telling you to get the vaccine in the first place was to reduce hospitalization and death. No, they were telling you that it was going to reduce infection and transmission.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But you're saying that we don't know. How do we know if it reduced death? Well, because you could compare the vaccinated to the unvaccinated group, right?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Afterwards, we go down and it's just, you know, it's just a lot of emotion and anger, but also hope. The Brazilian people are, for me, it's like one of the most exciting cultures in the world because they're so expressive. The president, like while he's speaking, he's like crying. You know, it's a very like emotionally open culture.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That is a good question. Honestly, Joe, I'm not a COVID vaccine expert.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You know, I'm going to go back and look at it. I'm working with a new colleague who's an amazing expert on the COVID stuff. But, yeah, it's not my area. I mean, look, I think obviously they sold it to us as though it was the polio vaccine. And it was more like the flu vaccine.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So now, I mean, the question for Elon, they're having to negotiate this, is do you out of principle keep X banned in Brazil to defend the several dozen people that the government is requiring be banned permanently? But that means that 20 million Brazilians are denied X as a platform. Or do you go along with what the government's demanding and hope to fight for another day?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. Kind of crazy. Totally different than the story we're told.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
God, great question. I'm assuming high, right?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
This is also it's also in the United States is worse because, I mean, Europe did not require the vaccine. In fact, I believe in.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, they did not require for children in particular.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like I just interviewed Tracy Hogue and she was saying that she spent a lot of time in Denmark and Denmark said, don't give your kids the vaccine.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, we're seeing it on the trans medicine as well. The Europeans, because it's centralized socialized medicine, when Britain says... You should not give kids puberty blockers. They end puberty blockers across all of Britain. They did it first in the NHS hospitals, which is the socialized medicine, and then they did it for the whole country.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And the conservatives did it right before leaving office, and then Labour comes in and they go, we're upholding it. So what is the debate with Bill Nye, the science guy? What was his position? Well, in that case, it was just more like they were – I mean it was kind of a collective gaslighting where everybody has now – I mean I think it's unconscious, by the way.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I don't think they're deliberately doing it. So maybe gaslighting is not fair.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They go right from – they just have forgotten. It's like retconning. you know, the, the narrative. So they just kind of go, no, no, it's, it's about reducing hospitalizations and death. It's like, but that's not the way you sold it to us. So can we just take a beat and acknowledge that you've changed your justification for the vaccine, which means that it's motivated cognition.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's not like you're like reconsidering vaccines now that they, because what you should do is go, okay, The vaccines didn't do what they said they were going to do. It didn't stop infection or transmission. Now, maybe there's another reason we want them and we should consider it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But you should take a beat and pause before you just sort of rush ahead to being to justifying vaccines for some other reason.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And what was his position? It's just the same as Peter Hotez and all of these guys. It's very authoritarian. What Fauci and Hotez and Bill Nye call science is not actually science, because science is a process. The way they talk about it is more like- A doctrine. Yeah, exactly. Or in a dictatorship where it's like science is done by scientists. Well, actually, science can be done by anybody.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's like journalism. Like you don't need a PhD to do science. Like science is something that you do. It's also not the same. I mean, sometimes you have experiments in labs, but science in the world of ecological biology is just going out there and counting the number of gorillas or whales. Right. So when they say science, they really mean like obey me. That's what they mean.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We actually don't know, but probably under 100.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's the opposite of that because remember it comes out – science comes out of Christianity. It comes out of this desire to understand God's creation.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then over time, the church gives more and more freedom to these scientists to study things that end up being quite inconvenient like the earth revolves around the sun or there's this – there's evolution or all these different things that scientists discover. It's the opposite of doctrine. They're discovering things that are counter-doctrinaire.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So it's becoming – I mean this is where you get to this – science is basically – people are trying to make it take the place of religion. They're trying to turn it into an authority. And of course it can't do that because science is just supposed to tell you how things are. It's not supposed to tell you what you should do. That's the realm of ethics and politics.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, all these early scientists, including Newton. Here it is. I don't know if that's correct.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Misinformation. You can see every country in the world is particularly obsessed with COVID misinformation and election misinformation. But to give you an example of how arbitrary and unjust it is, there's one of the members of Congress who's one of the most dynamic. He's not actually in the party of Bolsonaro. That's the controversial former president. He's in a different party.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They've proven it. They actually do studies where if you put somebody in a white scientist's coat or a white doctor's coat or put a stethoscope on them, people trust them more. Sure. It's just automatic. It's incredible.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So the most unscientific thing is when people say things like the science is telling us to do this. No, no, no, no, no. Science doesn't tell us to do anything. It's describing reality. You can make predictions of what would happen if you do different things, but that's not science telling us what to do. Science can't do that. Especially when you stifle debate.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
His name is Marcel von Hatten. And he was he got into he didn't even know this until the Twitter files Brazil came out. And then Elon did release because the House of Representatives, Jim Jordan asked for these internal files from X. He subpoenaed them. So we even learned more information from those files.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If you're just defending the speech that you agree with, then you're not actually defending free speech. The test of whether or not you're defending free speech, same as the test if you're defending science, Bring it on.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We need to do a devastating takedown of these fringe epidemiologists referring to the Barrington Declaration, Bhattacharya and the two other.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Koldoff and then, I can't remember, Sunitra Gupta from Oxford, I think is the third. But yeah, I mean, even a more dramatic example is like, you know, a lot of the people that did the early pioneering work showing that COVID escaped from a lab were like anonymous people on the internet, anonymous sleuths.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
that is legitimate i mean that the idea like credentialism credentialism is the enemy of science the idea that you need to have some some established credentials in part because the system reproduces its own ideology professors give they hire people and give tenure and give phds to people who agree with them that's how they feel like their legacy will continue they don't normally
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
promote people, the younger generation, if they have radical disagreements for them. So they're necessarily going to come outside of the establishment.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They showed that Van Houten had – he was supposedly being deplatformed for election misinformation. But it turned out that the video he posted was posted the day after the elections and it had to do with labor issues, had nothing to do with elections. And that's just really common. I mean you just see – it's just arbitrary rule by one guy. That's why I say it's a dictatorship.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And it's even more dangerous when it's in the health and medical context. I'll give you another example. I mean, American Academy of Pediatrics, my friend Marty Makary just came out with this amazing book called Blind Spots, where he looks at American Academy of Pediatrics. Look at what they did. They recommended letting babies sleep on their stomachs.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
that resulted in the sudden infant death syndrome. Many babies died from that. Suffocated, right? Suffocated. They recommended not giving children peanuts, and they created the peanut allergy epidemic. They and now they're now they're recommending transgender medicine in all three cases. There was never any science to support any of those positions.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And it's bizarre because I was I mean, when you read this book, you kind of look into it. You're like, what was going on? Was there some special interest or whatever? It was just like ego. And also it was a desire for. In many cases, desire to have answers to problems that they should never have given answers to.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Peanut allergies, for example, there were a tiny number of kids who had peanut allergies. But they came to AAP and they said, what should we do about it? And AAP goes, well, it's better just to be safe than sorry to recommend that parents don't give their kids peanuts. They ended up creating the peanut allergy epidemic.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It could be. I mean, in this case, they had a pretty good study comparing American kids to Israeli kids. And the Israeli kids had peanuts at young ages and they didn't have these allergies.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, what's so amazing about that, assuming that Marty's account is correct, what's incredible about that story is that you had... So first of all, something like over 14 years went by before they did a study showing that depriving the kids of peanuts at a young age was creating the allergies.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But there's a whole field called immunology, and there's all these immunologists who were watching this happen, and they would know from their basic theory, which has been around for thousands of years, that you would end up creating... Right. By not having that early exposure.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So one of the crazy so you're always like I haven't this is like another case of this is like we're we're working on I'm working on this study of like the last Harvard president who came to power, Claudine Gay, who ended up leaving. She was not a great scholar. She was actually in trouble for plagiarism. That was why she ended up having to leave.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And three days later, that was back in March, three days later, Elon just throws down and starts to attack this main Supreme Court justice, who's the guy that's now banned X. So X is banned in Brazil. They're in negotiations, but... It was very exciting to be there, and the Brazilians were just relieved.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
She said the crazy things about... Someone commissioned the plagiarism to go after her because of that. But what's amazing, when you look at it, Chris Rufo surfaced this glossary, this DEI glossary, diversity, equity, inclusion glossary, that was all these words that you were supposed to use. Basically woke... language you're supposed to use.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And she was the DEI going around and making the professors and the faculty all use this language. I mean, it's Orwellian. How is it that like these power... You're a Harvard professor. You're like... This accomplished person, you've achieved a lot. I mean, maybe you're actually part of the problem in some ways.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But how is it that you would just – some faculty member gives you a list of – a glossary and you just go, oh, OK, I'm going to use your words? It's like something's going on in these institutions where people are bullied into – Things that they know are wrong, you know, and so it's a failure. It's not just an intellectual failure.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's like a failure of courage as well, so that you just end up going along with. I don't want to be the guy that is accused of being a racist. I don't want to be the person accused of of causing childhood peanut allergies, even though that's the thing.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You don't want to miss out on tenure. There's all these things going for you, but it's classic racism. Emperor's new clothes we're like gonna ever be in the room is like this glossary is racist and insane or Telling parents not to give kids peanuts is insane because we've never had more allergies since we started banning this How did it go on so long?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think that's one of the things that you know that that is one of the remedies I think of the of the internet age and having these alternative media that is a remedy to basically have people calling bullshit on it from outside those institutions Because, I mean, this is American Academy of Pediatrics.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If you're just an ordinary new parent and you're, you know, oh, the other one, by the way, is infant formula. AAP recommended seed-based infant formulas, which were terrible for kids. And, of course, we know that breast milk is superior for all these reasons and the antibodies and creating the immune system response.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So, I mean, here you have the major organization recommending how to take care of kids with not one but four separate health scandals that it helped to create. Why should that organization even exist anymore?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Huge. I mean, it's maybe one of the biggest issues in Brazil. It's the president of Brazil who probably hasn't gotten enough. criticism for it because he's going along with it. He defended the censorship. This is Lula.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
you know, American Medical Association. And, you know, how about COVID? I mean, most Americans agree now that COVID was invented in a lab in China escaped from the lab. So you have another case where these institutions are actually creating the problems they claim to be solving.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean this is actually the subject – you asked me what the new book was and this is what it is. Pathocracy is the new book. Why elites subvert civilization and that's the big question is how is it like that the institutions – and we're taking this concept of iatrogenesis where the classic example is you go to the hospital for some ailment and you end up getting an infection and die.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's considered that when the healthcare system creates sickness –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Taking that and looking at a whole bunch of other institutions, why, you know, when the news media demand censorship and create propaganda, the FBI creating crimes and entrapment potentially, you know, with informants and others, you know, what's happening in these institutions that they end up creating the problems that they're trying to solve or that they're claiming to solve?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, I mean, absolutely. I mean, it's such a brilliant system. And I mean, there's this famous, I can't remember if it was Jefferson or somebody who was one of the founding fathers that was like, we need a revolution every, you know, 50 years or something. That's clearly we're overripe for massive reform.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And we in 1975, we had the church committee hearings, which is where we found out about the CIA assassinations and MKUltra and the, you know, the poisons and all the stuff that the CIA was doing. We're clearly overdue for it. I mean, it's been 50 years.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And why haven't we, why did we not, where's the information? Where's the press conference? I mean, where's his emails? Where's the social media posts?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
This is the second guy. Yeah. The second guy that was recruiting people to go fight in Ukraine.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I was going to say, being a loon doesn't seem to be disqualifying to be recruited into intelligence work.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No, I mean, it's amazing these things. I mean, or even, remember the trans shooter? We didn't get her diary. Oh. Well, it was very – For a long time.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, they say that. But of course, I did. I reported on the guy that attacked Paul Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's husband with a hammer.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I mean, he first of all, I reported out that, you know, you go to his house and he was homeless and he was he was a drug addict and he had mental illness. And you go to his home in Berkeley and there's a Black Lives Matter sign and a rainbow flag and all that. But the media all reported that he was a right wing Trump supporter. Like that was so they were very near that at all. Oh, yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. But in that case, they didn't they didn't hesitate to release that that information that he had been posting about QAnon and criticizing the Democrats and whatnot. So it's clearly ideologically selective of who's which which assailants in from political information gets released.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Oh, it's so disturbing. It's so strange. But I don't quite understand why the cops don't rush in at that point. Right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Maybe there's not as much time that goes by as I thought. That seems like they're struggling. The cops should have rushed in then, right? That's awful.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, I mean, for me personally, the funny thing is I had this, just coincidentally, I have this deep relationship with Brazil because I lived in Brazil in the early 90s. I was working, I was actually working towards my PhD in the semi-Amazon. I went to Rio and Sao Paulo. I interviewed Lula in 1994, sat across from him just like I'm standing across from you right now.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think both sides, both left and right, often attribute political motivations to mentally ill people. If you go through that guy's, David DePop, I think was his name. If you're going through the stuff that he was posting, it's just a mix of crazy left-right stuff.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We don't blame Jodie Foster for John Hinckley Jr. 's assassination of Reagan. You don't go, if it weren't for Jodie Foster. He was a Jodie Foster fan.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, look, we're in a mental – I mean, we've been in – our country is just in a bad way in terms of mental health, right? We're just not taking care of it. I mean, no country – I mean, we have a lot of guns and then you have no proper psychiatric or mental health care system.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Which is crazy because now you have telehealth and we should have a bunch of ways to deal with it, but it's just not who we are, I guess.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, I mean, I think also, I mean, yeah, 100%. And, you know, we also, unlike Europe and whatever, we don't allow, we don't coerce, we don't mandate antipsychotics to people with schizophrenia or those kinds of treatments. We're much more libertarian than that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You know, I mean, this guy, particularly the Pelosi guy, I actually, I can't prove it, but my theory would be that there may not have been an underlying mental illness. He had a rough life. He did a huge quantity of drugs. You know, there's just a set of people, as we've known from LSD over the decades. There's some people that take LSD. We're now seeing it with the high potency marijuana.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They never come back. That triggers psychosis.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, this is Mark Andreessen, who you add on, was making this point about ayahuasca, which is very fashionable among the elite set. And
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think the point that resonates with me is when I was working in San Francisco, after the Summer of Love, 1967, when everybody shows up in San Francisco and they're tripping out on acid, the privileged kids, the educated elite, they go back to Yale and Harvard at the end of the summer.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, at the time, I loved him. I mean, I was on the radical left for up until five minutes ago. Up until the Kool-Aid wore off. Yeah. I mean, really, even up until the censorship part. I mean, when you start censoring, you're just like... Not to digress, but it's kind of like, you know, back in the 90s, we were anti-war, pro-free speech and pro-gay rights.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But the working class kids, the kids that were not as educated, lower middle class, they hung around in San Francisco and got addicted to speed and heroin. And that was the early beginnings of the homelessness crisis.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No, this is back in the Summer of Love, which is 1967.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Remember, Speed really starts with the Beats. Yeah, it's the Beats, right?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Of the early 60s. Kerouac writes his book on Speed.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. But it's an important point because, yeah, people take these drugs for a reason. They can be performance enhancing. And there's a certain group of people, I mean, you know, Carl Hart, you know, there's people that write drug use for grownups. There's people, he's a Columbia University professor.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You know, there's people that have a very high internal self-control that are able to do these drugs.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And even I mean, I would even leave off the law. I mean, you do some of that. But I mean, I just we have this beautiful philosophy called stoicism. You know, it's amazing. It actually was. We now understand now that it was part became part of Christianity for. That's why. Because Christianity, the correction to Judaism, of course, that's all about compassion and care.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But when you lose the stoicism part of Christianity, it all just becomes compassion. The whole society gets around compassion. That's where you get victimhood ideology. Right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You should absolutely should be teaching because, of course, I mean, the problem with the focus on the trauma, you know, is like you start to everybody suddenly has trauma and you sort of become obsessed with it as opposed to like, no, the whole point of becoming a full human being. is overcoming adversity. It's going through that process.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Stoicism is a philosophy that gets you there, but it's been absolutely denigrated. It's very right-wing-ish.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Of course, it's the most emancipatory It's the most liberating philosophy because it says it's all about your mentality. It's all about what you do when you get up in the morning. It's your mentality. It's your behaviors. It's up to you. It's not up to the government.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's for everybody. He's not saying – there's other people like Nietzsche, which would say, hey, most people can't cope with the seriousness. But they're saying everybody has this internal potential. It's a completely – it's what leads to the human potential movement, the self-help movement. You get to like – I was looking at – in 1964, they passed the Civil Rights Act.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Now the left is pro-censorship, pro-war and engaged in horrible medical mistreatment of gay children in the name of trans medicine. So it's like literally like who changed here? You know, my values did stay the same, at least on those things. But anyway, I mean, I sat across from him and I just said, you know, everybody says that you're going to turn Brazil into Cuba.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Within a few months, Lyndon Johnson goes and gives this famous Harvard – I'm sorry, Howard University speech where it's like – it's just shocking how quickly it occurs where it's just basically about all the problems of the black community and how we still owe this debt to the black community and how the black community has been victimized.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like, here's this moment where you could be like, hey, look, we've just leveled the playing field. We've got the Civil Rights Act. It's going to end racial segregation. That's all behind us. Now it's up to us as individuals. Instead, they come out and they go, now we've got to go and we pity you and take care of you. It's really toxic discourse.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's awful. And it then has just it's just expanded to everybody, including children, where like the part of the over-involved mothering of children is to treat children as though they're victims. Right. Forever. It's actually and you see how it really helps the medical the medicalization of everything. Much of what we're called the trans medicine is pathologizing and medicalizing puberty. Right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The same thing with pregnancy. Pregnancy often is medicalized, is treated as something's wrong with you. And we know C-sections now, or we think it also undermines the immunity that you get from a vaginal birth.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Women with small hips. And it's just it's just overdone. Right. It's done. I mean, often you get professional women are like, I'm scheduling my my C-section.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He does love Fidel Castro, but he said absolutely not. He does. That's a bit of a problem. No, they're bros.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. I mean, I like I'm very open to it. I just I worry that we have a quick fix society still. Absolutely. And so, you know, it's like you have PTSD. You had trauma from from, say, fighting a foreign war. You were abused as a child or you were raped as a woman. And I think those you can get some insight, spiritual insight, existential insight to confront your demons there.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But you're still going to have to get up every day and confront those demons.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The thing is that in Latin America, like everybody on the left, even some of the center left, they actually had a lot of respect for Fidel Castro. I know it's amazing, but they really did.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. He's a very, Fidel's a very, he was a very charismatic person. I actually met him too.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. We can't seem to find, you know, we do freedom really well here in the United States. We can't seem to find the balance between that and proper care for people. I mean, the Netherlands has potency limits on marijuana. We don't. Right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I think the bigger thing is, you know, you go to Europe and it's like younger people will drink alcohol in moderation.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Oh, wow. September 21st. It's a good time to quit. Right before the shit hit the fan.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like work, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I don't advocate prohibition of alcohol, but I would advocate constraining sales and just putting some limits on. I mean, the potency point is well taken.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No, but I mean, I think, you know, for example, we've restricted it to liquor stores, out of supermarkets. We've had don't sales on Sundays after midnight.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
When I was in high school, at 18, you could drink 3.2 beer. Ah, wow, I remember. And at 21, you could drink a higher potency beer. So again, your point is- How old are you?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They were like, everything that we thought was happening is proven by the Twitter Files Brazil. And they were just very grateful to Elon.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, I mean, but look, the more available it is, the more people use, the more people use, the more addiction you get.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, free speech. Can you see it? Well, in the sense that there is limits to free speech. We don't allow free speech. for immediate incitement to violence, fraud, defamation. We have a high bar for defamation.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I know, but we're looking at 112,000 deaths from illicit drugs last year as opposed to 20.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, no, it's not because drugs are illegal. It's because they became more available.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No, they would also be dying of opioid overdose. Are you sure? Well, I mean, look, let me give you another example.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But, Joe, Europe does not have this drug death epidemic.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, right. So they made opioids too much. Opioids were too available. Then heroin was too available. And now fentanyl is too available. But it wasn't available.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
When I asked the Dutch, why don't you have an opioid adept? They didn't say because we don't have greedy pharmaceutical companies. They said because the doctor, when you go to the doctor, the doctor doesn't say, you have some pain? And this is, the Dutch are famous for this. You have some pain? Yeah, you'll have some pain.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Take some Advil if you want, but you're still going to have pain because you just had back surgery or whatever. So some of it is the culture of entitlement.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You're describing ways they became more available.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, they weren't doing as much. Very rarely.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But so the problem is, so in other words, you want these drugs to be less available, not more available. But who's to decide?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, you have to make a decision as a society because I mean, look, so Carl is right that most people that do opioids or heroin don't become addicted. The people that do become addicted, most of them are able to quit on their own. So only a small percentage of people become so addicted that they die from it. But that's 112,000 deaths a year.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So are we going to just condemn the most vulnerable people? In other words, the 112,000 people that died of drugs and drug poisonings and drug overdoses last year are by definition the most vulnerable to those drugs. Are we just going to sacrifice 112,000 people from drugs so Carl Hart can get high on heroin?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, but the number, here what I'll say too, it's a little bit more complicated. It was 20,000 deaths in the year 2000, 112,000 deaths last year. It was going up before fentanyl. So yes, it's hard to overdose on heroin alone.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. Although, let me respond to that last part. But remember, Obama comes in and he restricts opioid prescriptions around 20, I think it was like 2009, 2010. Right. So people are now going into fentanyl directly or from marijuana or whatever. They're going direct in.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So, I mean, I'm not denying any of like, yeah, I mean, ultimately, kids need to be raised right. You need more self-control. You need more delayed gratification, 100%. I also support marijuana decriminalization. I mean, drugs have two dimensions, right? There's one dimension, which is the inherent toxicity of the drug, and the other dimension is how you use it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Marijuana, nobody's ever overdosed from it. Nobody ever dies. You do get psychosis. But really, compared to other drugs, marijuana is fairly low toxicity. Alcohol, actually, when you read the history of alcohol prohibition, it did actually have health benefits, alcohol prohibition, because people drank less. But I agree. I agree. I mean, I think alcohol... Like, I think it should be legal.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I like I like the Dutch model. I like the restrictions because I think it does. It doesn't prevent people from getting it, but it just it is constantly saying, hey, be careful with this. Right. But meth, heroin, fentanyl, I think absolutely illegal. Do what they do in Holland. I mean, they chase people down. They chase cocaine. Do they? Is there no cocaine in Holland?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Of course there's cocaine there. Is there heroin? Sure. But they chase it, makes it more expensive because it's less available. Now, you get to you get to kind of go, well, OK, so then you get to we have a real world case, which is marijuana. We've legalized marijuana in California and many other states.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The the criminal element controlling the marijuana growth and industry in California is larger and more more violent and more dangerous than it was before we decriminalized it. Do you know why, though? Well, I mean, I think it's mostly because the market for black, the black market for marijuana is still much larger than the market for legal.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
In other words, you can buy marijuana for much cheaper, you know, informally through your dealer on the street than you can if you go into the store.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And some of that's I will grant you that it's because the California you can imagine when California decides to make marijuana legal, it's going to add a huge amount of tax and it doesn't require a set of costs that legal marijuana is just much more expensive.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's more expensive than the illegal weed, though.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So you think if marijuana were legal across the whole United States, there would be no black market?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I think that's where it's headed. I mean, my understanding is that that's where Florida is headed. Is that where Texas is? Where's Texas?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I think it's always so important to remember that the people that have the worst problems are definitely a small minority. But the question is, how many people are we willing to sacrifice?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No, I mean, you can make the argument for anything. You can make the argument for everything.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, but okay, but what about fentanyl then?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, I mean, I've interviewed many, many people smoking fentanyl on the streets.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I don't think that- And it's a miracle drug for people in hospitals. I mean, it's a miracle drug as a pain med. I mean, for women giving birth, for back surgery. It's a miracle.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No, I mean, I saw my mother was given fentanyl for her back surgery. It was wonderful.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, okay, so here's another, so this is, so I... But something that we know that people can tolerate. Right, well, in Vancouver, they had this experiment where they said, we're going to go give hydromorphone.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
uh which is a an opioid as a harm reduction to people that use fentanyl and heroin and it's been a total nightmare because it gets diverted and people sell it in order to buy fentanyl kids end up with it i mean i think you have to remember every time you add drugs to the drug supply you add you you increase supplies you just said the same thing that's alcohol okay kids buy alcohol from a cousin who's willing to buy it for you because alcohol is legal kids can get alcohol
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
With food, I would say the tobacco model is wonderful. I mean, we did an amazing job with reducing tobacco use in the United States just through – I mean, there was some reduction in availability, reduction in advertising, and then moralizing against it. The culture changed. It's not cool anymore to smoke cigarettes.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, and don't allow open air drug dealing. Right. Right. And Chase, I mean, Holland, there's a small group of people that actually the government actually they give heroin to. It's like somewhere between 50 and 100 people. It's not very many. And then they're chasing dealers. They don't allow open-air drug dealing. They're stopping cocaine from coming in.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think that, yeah, look, it's a nuanced problem, which is why we're spending so much time talking about it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's you know, it's funny. The other thing that we're going to come to in the book is we're looking at assisted suicides.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, right. So so in other words, should you be free to commit suicide? I think you should. That's different from having a government program. Right. To assist it, because you would say, well, it always starts to think we're not going to promote it. But in fact, the people that are involved in assisting suicide are basically selling it. There's this amazing BBC clip of this woman.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
This doctor that's been assisting people with their suicide. And it's impossible to listen to her and not feel like she's promoting it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, we looked at it. I don't know the exact number, but we looked it up recently, and it's been increasing significantly. And it's also, yeah, one of the changes, as you mentioned, was it's now from...
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
people that have um life-ending yeah life-ending illnesses to people with psychiatric disorders right or people with just depression simple depression or there was a one i just read a case of a woman i didn't check to see if it's true but i'm assuming a young woman who uh was sexually assaulted and depressed and i think it was in the netherlands They have assisted suicide there as well? Yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, it's a funny country, Netherlands, because on the one hand, they also did the gender medicine there. They did the drug decriminalization, but they're also very strict. So they've achieved a balance in the Netherlands I don't think we're going to be able to do here.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And they're very blunt and they're very direct. They cut to the point. They're some of my favorite people in the world because I think they are able to get that balance between freedom – and care and between I mean, but they're also raising their kids different. They're not coddling in the way that we coddle our kids. Right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So they this is like one of the most extreme forms of censorship we've seen in democratic countries. India has been pretty bad too. But this what they were the worst of it was that they were a sucker.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The social media epidemic that we're I mean, we just everything we just do everything epidemic over there. It's they do, but it's just not as bad.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I would feel better. I mean, I don't think Carl I read his book and I interviewed him. I don't think he's honest about the tradeoffs. I think he sells it as though it's just an injustice. that we don't have legalized drugs, and then dismisses this very well-established reality that greater drug availability results in more addiction and more problems.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, yeah, but the difference is when you die on fentanyl, you smoke it and you're dead. They're counting as those alcohol deaths.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, literally, he's like – I mean, he's literally a world expert in drugs. Right. And so, I mean, he's just – again, it's like after the Summer of Love, the kids that are, like – I mean, he's a PhD. He's at Columbia. He's one of the best universities in the world. He's obviously somebody that has a huge amount of – self-discipline and be able to delay gratification.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I mean, in his book, he talks about actually becoming addicted to opioids and having to kick and going through withdrawals. I mean, that's a very disciplined person. He has something to live for. One of the most amazing groups, there's two famous studies, the Vietnam veterans who were addicted to heroin that come back to the United States. They weren't around heroin anymore.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They went on with their lives. They kicked their heroin and they were fine. The other group is doctors. Doctors who become addicted, you know, because, of course, there's it's available.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Big problem. Yeah. But their their recidivism rate or their their relapse rate is extremely low. Why? Because they're fucking smart. Well, they're smart and they're just one. And if they don't quit, they're going to lose their medical license. Right. And they're going to stop making mid-six figures every year. But they're also exceptional people.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. In San Francisco, I have these two addicts telling a story about how they recovered. One of them was white. One of them was black. The black guy, Jabari... is arrested multiple times from from, you know, when he starts his criminal career and as a teenager all the way into his 40s. And they keep letting them off because they're because they're because they're racist, actually.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And they're saying, oh, you know, you're a victim and whatever. Basically, is getting to a place of just very serious addiction, finally gets arrested in a way so that he can get into recovery. The white guy gets arrested once, and because they're not lenient on him, he ends up getting into recovery right away. So I think that
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think if we can find some common ground, it would be that you would enforce some basic laws so that if you're out there on the streets dealing drugs or you're sleeping in a tent on the sidewalk after you've been told multiple times or the EMT has to come out and revive you 12, 20 times for your fentanyl.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, how many times do you just even if you don't care about the guy, how many times do taxpayers want to pay? to send the fire trucks out. I mean, it's like often a fire truck and an ambulance go out to revive a dude who often has already been revived. I mean, the one time I saw was with the Times of London reporter. Guy overdoses in front of us. They get him Narcan.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The fire truck still has to come. The ambulance still has to come. I mean, how many thousands of dollars of staff time and medical time is that to revive that guy? Instead, you know, arrest him, you know, or get him in the system. And if you do it again, then you got to choose between rehab and jail. I think that's how you end up dealing with it. So Carl Hart. Yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I don't want to send the police into arresting Carl Hart. But you were saying that he downplays the negatives. Yeah. dismisses the negatives. I mean, if you go the route that he's recommending, which is that all of these drugs be legally available, you're gonna increase use, you're gonna increase availability, you're gonna increase addiction.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, immaculate conception. But anyway, so I asked Lula directly. And I actually wrote an article for a left-wing magazine at the time. I said, are you going to try to turn Brazil into Cuba and have censorship? And he said, absolutely not. Our socialism is going to be democratic socialism.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, first of all, shut down the open-air drug markets. Don't have this thing of repeated. If you if you overdose and the system has to come out to to to to reverse the overdose. Next time they come out, it should be a choice of jail or rehab. Like, that's it. You got to go to rehab or you go to jail. That was the system we had. California is about to reform the law that changed that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You know, we had Prop 47, which made shoplifting up to $950 legal or decriminalized, I should say. Same thing with three grams of hard drugs. Californians are going to vote in November to reverse that. Proposition 36, you know, it's polling.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
recriminalize crime how many times but then you're gonna have to rehire cops and you're gonna have to refund the police well yeah I mean you definitely need more police I mean it honestly it was just we had drug courts it was imperfect but you'd go to the courts and you'd be like look you need to get into rehab and you're just trying you're gonna have some amount of relapse but this thing of 12 20 times well it's also incentivizing people like in Seattle incentivizing people paying people it happens in San Francisco too apparently just paying people to stay on the streets
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Of course he is. You know, I mean, it's insane. He's like the worst. He's the worst. He's both a terrible, terrible politician and he's a terrible bureaucrat. His latest thing on homelessness is he's like, well, this time I'm going to give out the money to the counties and they're going to give me a plan.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And that was my attraction to Brazil, too, was that, I mean, here you, I mean, and to the Workers' Party and to Lula. I mean, he was super, he had all the stuff that you loved about the left, but he was going to respect free speech. So I, you know, basically after the Tour Files Brazil and the Workers' Party, you know, and Lula just start defending censorship, then I start going after Lula, too.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's like you've been doing that for, you know, your entire time as governor, lieutenant governor.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's what we mean by pathocracy. It's a sick bureaucracy that creates sickness. I'm not saying it's deliberate. It's unconscious. But it's Munchausen syndrome by proxy. It's creating, making your child or making your community sick so that you can treat them.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's very hard once you lose the norms. This is an amazing book called Weird about Western industrialized educated societies. And they just talk about these core values of working hard, delaying gratification. you know, stable relationships, education. And religion. And religion.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's funny. So on both free speech and on homelessness, my best allies are Christians. They literally just have shown up. There's all these people that are secular that are like, yeah, we're with you, but they don't actually do the work.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like the Salvation Army, when I did a fentanyl protest in Los Angeles, the Salvation Army shows up and they're effective on the free speech issues in Europe. There's a group called Alliance Defending Freedom. They show up. They're so reliable. My best supporter of our nonprofit for years, just a Christian, is just gives us support. He says, I trust you. Go do it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, when I look at my grandfather, who was a farmer in Indiana, lived to 101. After he died, I interviewed his neighbors and I was like, what? Like, why? And they were like, oh, yeah, the neighbor over there is 98 and that neighbor is 97. And I was like, why does everybody live so long around here? And they just go right living. And I was like, well, what's right living?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And they were like, didn't smoke, didn't drink, you know, ate right. I mean, they ate great food, obviously. They're on the farm. But also he had no choices to make.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, there was there's this really interesting book by Leah Greenfield that argues that the increase of mental illness in Western countries over the last 100 years is just this incredible pressure on the individual to make all these choices. You know, like my grandfather was like, there weren't that many.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I'm like, you lied to me. And this is, you know, unacceptable.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
young women to choose from to marry he didn't choose his religion i mean it's like absurd right like we choose we tell our kids it's like can you imagine you can believe whatever you want to become jewish you can become jewish i want to be a christian dad yeah yeah and then you go i want to be change my gender i mean the levels of choices that people have it's it's overwhelming as opposed to like he basically didn't choose any of the major things in his life he didn't choose any of them
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He didn't choose his occupation. He barely chose his – I mean he didn't have that many women to choose from. Certainly didn't choose his religion.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But are we arguing that that's a good thing? Well, no. I mean because of course you and I would hate that. We're libertarian. Like we want – we love our choices. I mean because you were saying it's not just that – there's two things that are going on. First, people just – the church didn't explain the world very well.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Suddenly you have these scientists that are like, well, actually, the earth revolves around the sun, guys. Right. And, you know, it looks like and then there's a story about evolution, which may not be correct. But nonetheless, the scientists had a much better story of reality than the church did. And then the other thing is that just as you get wealthier, you just have more money.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Wow. Great question. I mean, there's a way in which it's the same thing that changed for the left everywhere.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's more choices. There's more things to do. And you're sort of like, why am I going to go along with what some priest said?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, the Europeans somehow – I mean, the Dutch, for example, they're very secular. I mean, these Western European societies, they have far less belief in God than in the United States. And yet somehow, you know, they keep raising their kids to be more disciplined than we're raising our kids. They don't have as – they have, you know, of course – Their cultural philosophy is better.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's like an inner – I do think it's a stoicism in the sense that it's – It's like when I would – my parents – it's funny because Jonathan Haidt at one point he was asked I think by – I can't remember who. Someone asked him like who's better parents, left-wingers or right-wingers? And he was like right-wingers. Even though he's a pretty liberal guy.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, this is the question we're always asking, which is like how because, you know, if you read the histories I've been, you know, I'm now, by the way, I'm so I'm going to spend three months in Austin every year now because I'm the CBR chair of of politics, censorship and free speech at the University of Austin. I'm the first and only endowed chair there. So so it's exciting.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean my parents who are very – my mom and dad are very left. But they raised me more conservative. And the way they would do it is they'd be like – they'd be like, oh, well, that's not fair. And they'd be like, well, life is not fair. That's like a conservative view. Life is not fair. Right. And then you'd be like, well, why don't you, can you, will you get me some food?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They would teach you, they would teach us how to like push a chair next to the kitchen counter to climb up and get your, make your own food. They had a philosophy that was, if the kid can do it, the kid should do it. As opposed to, now it's like, I think there's just these over-involved parents that are like, oh, I wanna take care of you. And so the kids end up getting coddled.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Somehow, for whatever reason, in Europe, those core values of self-reliance You know, it gets when you when I interviewed like the progressive homeless service providers in the United States, they were in San Francisco and other places. They would say things like, oh, that's the whole buy your bootstraps philosophy, which is just so oppressive.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's like, no, actually, it's completely liberating to be told that you have the power to do these things. I mean, that's basically what Anthony Tony Robbins is telling people all the time, right, is that you have the inner resources, the inner power. Sure. So that's got to be, I don't know how we restore it. I mean, the fear, of course, is that once that stuff's gone, it's gone.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But this thing where like after the George Floyd where it's like the Obamas are – and affluent black families are saying, oh, yeah, I'm worried about my kids. What are you telling your kids that they're like that they're going to be victims of the society, that police are all racists?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, these messages are constantly being told to people that the system that basically the broader society is essentially unfair as opposed to telling them that really the playing field is more level than it's ever been.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So I'm here and welcome. Thank you, man. Really? Yeah. We just bought a little house and not. Yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So, yeah, I mean, one of the... Because, of course, if you read the histories of free speech, particularly the last couple hundred years, it's really the right censoring the left. There's a few exceptions, but, I mean, overwhelmingly, all the way back to the original...
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean think about how Obama was raised by his white mom, by a single mom, and his grandparents were there. She didn't teach him that he was a victim, that he was helpless against society.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean here he's like reelected in 2012. Like this stuff is starting – Black Lives Matter starts in – I think it was like – was it 2015 or was it 2013? I can't remember. But he sees all that stuff happening. There's literally nobody on the planet more capable of pushing back against all that bad wokeism than Barack Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is so well positioned to do it. He doesn't do it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You know, I mean, and I think part of it is that it works for Democrats. Yes, it works. That's the problem. It works politically for them.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And that but that's but that's actually a tragedy, especially for young black men.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
In this country to be teaching this idea that he does once in a while he'll say something about it. But I mean, the whole Black Lives Matter movement, which was, you know, just a tragedy, you know, where you're you're the the grotesque exaggeration of police killings of unarmed black men. He was in a position to push back against that. And they didn't do it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And he hasn't done it since he left office. So that's why I say I blame him just because of what he hasn't done.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But the problem declined. I mean, we looked at FBI data from the 70s. The problem is bad cops. But it declined so much from the 70s until now.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But if you calculate the number of – the increase of the number of black people killed because the police pulled back in reaction to Black Lives Matter, what we call the Ferguson effect …
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
you know, French parliament where they split, you know, the French con where they split people on left and right became a way to refer to liberals and conservatives. Conservatives were about protecting tradition, about propriety, don't say certain things. You know, that was like what conservatives were.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But also he and David Sachs, I mean, they've had such a powerful impact just in talking back to that culture.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean their podcast is so dominant now in business that I think it's just made – it's just given courage. So has Marc Andreessen. Yes. They've given courage to people to just not put up with it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Oh, yeah. It's not fun. Well, I think there was an earlier generation of tech leaders who went along with the political correctness. And so now you get Andreessen and Sachs and Chamath and these guys.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then if you go to the United States, like the one of the most dramatic instances of censorship here is the early part of the 20th century with the Sedition Act. And that's when the that's when they were, you know, arresting socialists, incarcerating thousands of people. I mean, it's a crazy period. And so that was basically the tradition.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, I mean, yeah. So one important observation about this. So first of all, Elon was very strong on Brazil. I think that there's a way in which he's going to probably have to cut a deal to get X back in Brazil. We don't talk at all about Zuckerberg and Google. All this pressure is on Elon.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I can't prove it, but I assume that that's the case. Yeah, they went along with it. I mean, only Elon stood up against it. So, I mean, Facebook is just engaged in a huge amount more censorship. You know, the fact checkers, they outsource their brain to these fact checkers who are then funded by all these bad actors.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think the thing about the Brazil that shows is, you know, they froze Starlink's bank accounts and they seized its assets. So, you know, because people point out, you know, Elon's incredibly powerful, richest man in the world. I mean, Starlink is this incredible innovation. I've seen you talk about it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But at the end of the day, it actually makes him somewhat vulnerable because then they can just, you know, it's not just about X. If the Brazilian government can come in and seize Starlink assets in a country where Starlink is absolutely essential because of the Amazon, you know, it allows for this incredible connectivity. So it really – for me, it's just you still need a free speech movement.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like you need to reinculcate. And I think the other thing that I've realized in the last year and a half of doing the Twitter files and other censorship files is that – because I used to think that my support for free speech, that our support for free speech was sort of like natural or something. But I realized like it was taught to me.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like, I remember my father teaching me about Skogi and telling me that the ACLU had defended the right of Nazis to march through a neighborhood of Holocaust survivors. And I remember being horrified by it as a very, you know, woke kid and being like, that's very insensitive. And my dad kind of being like, well, yeah, but here's why we do it that way. Right. And it was...
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Because actually censorship would then be used against other people. And he would also make this point, and I was making this yesterday to my future students at University of Austin, is that you want to know who the Nazis are. You actually want to know who the Nazis are and you want to argue with the Nazis.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You this idea that we're there's a fantasy. People say, oh, well, if we had if Germany had like censored the Nazis, then they wouldn't have come to power. They did censor the Nazis like they had imposed a censorship regime before the Nazis came to power. They were they were they were censoring them. They came to power, reinforced that system.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's why when we were, you know, in the 90s and up until recently, you know, free speech was part of the left tradition. So what happened? I mean, what's clear about the censorship that's going on is it's counter populist. So they're going at Jair Bolsonaro like Trump is a populist candidate. So one thought experiment would be if Bernie Sanders had become president in 2016.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So much better to defeat these bad ideas in the realm of free speech. But I do think there's a whole younger generation that never got indoctrinated into the religion of free speech in the ways that we as Gen Xers did.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's just how it goes. It's an incredible sort of master tool for so many different things. I mean, it's... Half of it is just calling it censorship. These guys are so good with language. They talk about how, I'm just doing counter disinformation. Who could possibly defend disinformation and misinformation? I'm doing counter disinformation. Just calling it censorship.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
This is the most dramatic part is that they were the judge. This is a Supreme Court justice who is basically the dictator of Brazil is had was demanding that particular journalists and politicians just be banned not only from X, but from every other social media platform. Which is a tactic that we had seen in earlier censorship files.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, look, I mean, it's like I'm a journalist. I'm investigating what is the truth about a lot of different topics. I'm fighting misinformation, but I'm doing it through free speech.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, this was and that was in the Facebook files where the Facebook's tops researcher says to the White House, they go, hey, our research shows that if you censor true stories of vaccine side effects. Shocking as it sounds, people will become more suspicious of the vaccine. So it's actually, yeah, they do contradict themselves in that sense.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think the Hunter Biden laptop story, we talk about it a ton. But what was so important about it is that the disinformation campaign comes before the censorship. They go out and they say, and this will be a segue to our conversation about UFOs. FBI gets the laptop in December 2019. They know it's Hunter Biden's laptop. They know it's not Russian disinformation.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Aspen Institute, which is funded by the US government and very close to the intelligence community, then goes and brainwashes journalists and the social media companies into preparing that there could be a hack and leak coming around Hunter Biden's laptop.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And of course, Mark Zuckerberg made history here with you when he told you that the FBI had come to him in the summer of 2020 warning of a hack and leak operation. Yeah. So they do that, and then they come out, and then when the laptop comes out, they demand that it be censored.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But the key thing there is that there was an organized disinformation effort around that laptop by people that were fed that by the FBI. This is why I'm so confident now in saying that both the FBI and the CIA interfered in the 2020 election because they ran this disinformation campaign whereby censorship was one part of it, but it was actually the part that came after the disinformation.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Would the deep state have sided with – would they have sided with the right, with the Republicans to censor a populist Democratic Party? It's an interesting question. I don't know the answer to it. Clearly – I mean I would say the – if you look at what the global elite, which is kind of a center-left elite in Europe, Brazil, United States, Canada –
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And it probably would have had a significant effect on the outcome of the election. I mean, I personally, I voted for Biden, by the way. And when I saw that story, I was like, there's clearly something wrong with it. It looks like it's a hack and leak. I mean, I genuinely believe that. Now, would I have voted for Trump? Otherwise, I don't know.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, also, the hack and leak was also about the Hillary emails, the John Podesta emails, the DNC emails. So it fit a particular framework. But what's important is that the FBI knew that it was legitimate the entire time.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You've got to stop that. Stop that. Disinformation, because they knew it was not true, right? Right. And then the CIA, remember, Gina Haspel was director of the CIA for Trump. She was part of it because she approved the letter from the 51 former CIA directors and leaders that said that it had all the earmarks of a Russian information operation. She approved that letter within hours. Right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
All she had to do – I mean, look, assuming she didn't know. All she had to do was to call the FBI. Right. All she had to do was – I mean, look. They had a very clear agenda. I mean, it's such an – Joe, it's such an unprecedented thing. When you talk to Martin Gurry, who's a former CIA guy, you talk to people that –
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
you know, that really love the CIA, that really believe in it, they were like, that is insanely unprecedented for these, because, you know, the classic statement is nobody ever leaves the intelligence community. So to have former intelligence people doing that is just absolutely, I mean, that's unacceptable. It's wild.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
OK, let me segue. I got to segue on that because here's the craziest thing. That Aspen Institute Hunter Biden disinformation operation was run by two people, Vivian Schiller and Garrett Graff. Vivian Schiller is this just wild. You know, she was New York Times and PR, Twitter executive, high level executive, now runs Aspen's digital initiative. Garrett Graff is this...
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
you know, acclaimed nonfiction book writer, they did the Hunter Biden disinformation campaign where they program and brainwash these journalists and the social media platforms in advance of the release of the Hunter Biden story. Well, guess who wrote the big book Dismissing UFOs earlier this year? Guess who came out with that book? Garrett Graff. So what is going on with Aspen?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And Aspen is like one of their – I think it's their biggest or one of their biggest supporters is the U.S. government. So it's very – this is very, very suspicious. You should invite him on your show and ask him some questions. Why did he decide to do a book about UFOs? What was – so here you have people that I feel very confident saying were part of an FBI-run disinformation group.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
and censorship initiative on her by his laptop. Then turning around, they then did an interview. He, he, she then interviews them at like Aspen Institute, you know, classic YouTube. So I saw it on YouTube. She's interviewing him. There's this moment. It's so crazy.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
She goes, they says, there's something like, they both kind of go, well, you know, um, the reason we, this is just UFOs are obviously a conspiracy theory is because, you know, the government can't, you know, the government is incompetent and can't get away with this kind of thing. Well, that is madness. Because, of course, the U.S. government is actually very good at keeping secrets.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You know, from the making of the atomic bomb until today, there are a lot of secrets that the U.S. government is actually quite capable of holding. And nobody knows that better than Vivian Schiller and Garrett Graff of the Aspen Institute, who ran the Hunter Biden operation. So what they're doing is they're deliberately...
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It really wants to censor on COVID elections and migration. And they do the mass migration stuff around hate. So like if you criticize mass migration, it's hate speech and you should be censored. So clearly this is a reaction by the deep state against populism, which clearly threatens them, their ability to build a wage war when they want to wage war, to move people around. I mean, it's huge.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I use PSYOP or whatever you call it, because a lot of people are experienced of ordinary normie experiences of government is going to the DMV, right? So you go, wow, the DMV, yeah, that's the government. The people that are working at the CIA and the FBI, those high levels are best, they're like some of the smartest people in the world.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, these are people that they're recruiting them out of the Ivy Leagues. The idea that these agencies are incompetent, and I'm not saying that they're always competent, But these are some of the premier spies that have ever existed. And the idea that somehow the U.S. government can't carry out these operations or keep it secret, that's obviously wrong.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then we have all these whistleblowers coming forward. So that's the prelude to today's story.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's a very sophisticated book. I encourage people to read it in part to understand what's the most sophisticated take by the U.S. government. The less sophisticated treatment was by Sean Kirkpatrick, who was the recently departed head of the Defense Department's all... All SAP? No, Arrow. Okay.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's the all-domain anomaly resolution office that was created by the Senate that came out with this very dismissive report about UFOs. And then he left, the head of Arrow left, and has now just been ridiculing and attacking all the UFO whistleblowers, including David Grush and Lou Elizondo and all these folks. Mm-hmm. But the book is... So basically, this is a book of the history of UFOs.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And it basically just goes through every single major case and shows you why it's just not a UFO. I mean, basically, it's showing why it's a natural phenomenon.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's absolutely an extension of... And remember, in 1953, the CIA creates something called the Robertson Panel. And the Robertson Panel comes out and says the US government should just focus on debunking UFO cases and including ridiculing people, which is a very cruel treatment of people because it's socially so devastating to be ridiculed.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then you get the Condon Report, the Condon Committee, which is the University of Colorado, 1966 to 1968, Same thing, dismisses this, suggests it's all kooks. The Garrett Graff's UFO book is more sophisticated. It's actually a little bit more gentle in the sense that it's dismissing all these things. It's also talking about like these may be natural phenomena.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It might be plasmas or ball lightning, you know, and then they kind of go through the psychological estimation. But the whole book is aimed at just absolutely dismissing the phenomena. I mean, that's the whole purpose.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, the mass migration that's been occurring under Biden, of course, has been happening in Europe too. And everybody's like, what is, like, what's going on? Like, why is this happening?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's what it is. There's a trinity of books there.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, that's a great question. I mean, obviously, the story that, the traditional story had been that this is compassionate and, you know, it's the right thing to do and want to bring people in. There's so many, I mean, the Democrats and the Europeans, they went so far with it that it actually hurt, it's hurt them politically. Like, you know, Kamala may lose power.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, that's, I mean, I don't know what they are, and I'm agnostic in some ways.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
elections because of just the mass migration. It was like the number one thing 60 Minutes asked her about just now. In Germany, the AFD, which is considered the far right party, far just means anti-mass migration. So they went really far. I mean, I think there's probably some truth to the idea that Democrats are bringing in folks to increase Democratic voters. That's not a conspiracy theory.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I don't know what they were, but I've seen things I can't explain.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So I saw – so there's twice I've seen things. I saw – one time I saw three lights that were – I thought they were stars. And then they – and then the one on the – they were all just like – they looked almost like Orion's Belt, like three stars. And then the one on the far left –
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
uh just broke away from the other two and then did and it was weird i'm this is gonna sound really weird and so i don't know just express it it just it really like literally if it felt like it was pulling my left eye the left like i was looking at them and it felt like you know how like like it's almost like you're being cross-eyed but it felt like it was literally pulling my left eye and then it just did a set of um squiggles like that and then a cloud bank came over and covered it up you know i don't know what it was
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I had no drones, didn't look like a drone, there was no noise. Did you see a shape of this thing or was it as high as the stars? No, they were just white lights. I couldn't tell how high up they were. And then the other one I saw was actually in a suburb of Houston, or was it Dallas?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I was running at night, and there were these two guys there, two black guys, young guys, that had just gotten out of their car. And I had seen these orange orbs. And then they were filming them with their cameras. And I went over them and I was like, what are those? And they're like, we don't know.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, they looked a little bit like, at first you thought they were Chinese lanterns, but there was no paper bag, you know, that the lanterns were no, like, there's nothing there. So they looked like... And they also kind of looked like there was some translucent thing around them. I couldn't also tell how big they were. Couldn't figure out where they were coming from.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I went and ran around the neighborhood trying to figure out where they were coming from to see if maybe somebody was sending off.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Shockingly slow. Like they were sort of floating.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They felt like they were floating. Hmm. So I'm not saying – again, I don't know what they were. What happened with them? I watched them until they stopped coming. What do you mean? I mean I just watched them. They just kind of would appear out of nowhere and then they would – like it was in this residential neighborhood and then they just – Drift off? And they would float over.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We watched them at one point float all over downtown.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, it was just, they were also blurry and orange. I mean, I looked it up, orange orbs.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I actually photographed, I have a bunch of videos of them.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We'll tell you what it is. All right. But I also want to tell you the thing we just did. All right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I need those videos. All right. Okay. So it's going to, we're going to, people are going to have to wait for me.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
All right. We'll pause. All right. And I also have the ones that the guy, so the guys there, we exchanged phone numbers and stuff and they texted me.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Oh, that's crazy. But did Grush mention Immaculate Conception? I don't know. It says-
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's something that You know, John Judas and Rui Teixeira wrote a whole book about called The Emerging Democratic Majority, where they talked about how Latinos are going to side with Democrats. And then another part of me just wonders if it's related is that there was a concern that populism – because I mean the danger – the threat of populism is that it's popular.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Immaculate conception is the name of the secret UAP Pentagon program that I revealed today.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
How's it going over there? Me? Oh, finding the – I'm trying to find the videos. How long ago was this? It was last year, and it must have been – so here's the other weird thing is that I – it was the same day that I published a story about UAPs. Oh, okay.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I felt better because there were two other guys there, you know, and I have their info.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So first of all, if they are ours and they're anti-gravity, that's just insane.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And the part of me that's skeptical of it is because I know a lot about nuclear energy and nuclear power, and it took a huge amount of effort to build the bombs. Huge amount of effort, huge number of people. So the idea that anti-gravity was then sort of like, oh, yeah, we just did that in like a couple of years or something. That strikes me as really improbable.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No. Air drop, okay. So there's no people. Oh, there you are. Jamie's MacBook. Bam. I mean, they don't look like much. They're just like orange dots. But it's weird. It's weird. And I want to stress, because my critics always use this to try to describe me. I don't know what it is.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So the threat of populism is that the people actually govern rather than these deep state organizations that have constrained – pre-internet constrained what was acceptable. They narrowed the so-called Overton window. Yeah. With populism, you get potentially populations that say, we don't want to go to war in Ukraine. We don't want to support foreign wars. We don't want to have mass migration.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, here's what I wrote today and what I feel confident to say. Just keep those glasses on.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It makes you look smarter. So today's piece is about a new whistleblower who has come forward and has written a report. And this is somebody that is either in government or is a government contractor working. I've interviewed this person multiple times in person. I've checked their credentials. They are who they say they are. They have written a report and provided it to members of Congress.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And in that report, they claim that the Pentagon is illegally withholding information from Congress about a secret UAP program. And that secret UAP program is considered a parent program of other of other programs but it's called immaculate constellation I was told by a I was I had it confirmed by a second source that this is the name.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I also was told that if we revealed the name that we would probably fall and get under surveillance by simply revealing the name. I went to the Pentagon with the story on Friday. Today is Tuesday. They told me on Friday they couldn't get it to me. They couldn't get me a response by Friday. They asked if I could wait until Monday. I said, sure. They said Monday morning, we'll get your response.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No response. They said, hopefully later today. Nothing later today. Then they said, how about tomorrow morning? Finally, that's today. So we gave them four full days. I found the Pentagon's response... What was the response? Well, first of all, because they said they were going to respond and they didn't. So they never responded? They never responded.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I emailed the spokesperson and said, if you give me a response, I'll publish it. But, I mean, it could have been like, no, we don't have a program like that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If they don't have a program like that, then I don't know what the harm is from saying that they don't have a program like that. Remember, Arrow, this is the Blue Book 3.0 or whatever it is. They said they looked and they were like, we looked and there's no secret UAP program.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
the guys that I know that train three, four times a week and are really interested in jujitsu, doing it all the time, they're some of the most peaceful, calm, easygoing, measured, even when they talk to people in confrontations, very measured, because they're coming from a place of strength.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And most men in particular, they come from a place of trying to pretend they have strength in order to intimidate you, to get you on your back foot, get you on the heels. Like, hey, fuck you, man. That kind of douchey kind of shit is just insecurity. And these guys don't have any of that. And it's just a healthier, like, I don't think everybody should do jiu-jitsu. It's too hard.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But I think there's a lot of things like that in this world. I don't think it's just psychedelics. I think there's multiple. I think yoga plays a big factor in that. I remember I got in a car accident when I was on yoga. When I was on yoga.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
We're doing yoga so much. Me and Ari Shaffir, Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura, we do the Sober October. And every time we do Sober October, we have these things that we do where we're like, we'll have a fitness challenge or you have to do. I think we had 15 yoga classes in the month. So you had to do like a yoga class every other day for a month. And I got really into it. I was doing it a lot.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And this guy rear-ended me on the highway. And I had a really nice car. And he crashed into me. And he was on his phone. He was texting. And he was illegal. And he didn't have a driver's license.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And I was so calm about it. I was like, you okay? I was like, I'm okay. You okay? And I was like, I'm just going to take off. You know, I'm just going to get my car fixed. And I just took off. Luckily, he didn't wreck my car. He just bent the back. It was a Porsche. It was a 911 GT3, a very nice car. But his car, it was a little bullshit car, like a little Honda Accord.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And when he slammed on the brakes, it basically went under the back of my car and bumped it up in the air, and it stalled out. And his car was pretty fucked up. He couldn't drive off, but I could drive off. So I just drove to the comedy store. And I was like, okay, why was I so calm about that? I wasn't even mad at that guy. I was like, he's an illegal alien. Excuse me, immigrant.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, I've heard that as an argument against what Donald Trump has been saying about paying for IVF.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Undocumented minor, whatever he is. Undocumented immigrant. Just some dude who came from Mexico.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I said, why don't you have a license? He goes, I can't because I'm illegal. I said, okay. I go, but yet you still drive. And he goes, I have to for work. I go... I get it.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But it was like a very calm. He said he was sorry. I believed him. It was just a mistake. He fucked up. Traffic had slowed. You know, L.A. Traffic like all of a sudden comes to a screeching halt and sometimes people aren't ready for it. And I really think it was yoga. I think I didn't even get mad at the guy. All right, take it easy. I just drove away.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I drove away and I thought about it afterwards. I was like, why can't it be like that with everything? Like what would help me be like that in every situation to treat every interaction with people like as calm as possible and never really get totally upset by anything. Just it is what it is. No big deal. And I was like, man, that's probably a great tool just for society.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
We need more babies. And everybody's like, yay. And then the psychos went, no, no, no. 70% of all IVF babies are never used and they're discarded. And like, okay.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
If yoga was a thing that most people did every day in the morning, what impact would that have just in the overall population of how nice people are to each other? It would probably be huge.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Why don't someone do yoga, just take the poses and add them with little prayers?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And I think that's why a lot of atheists, they talk like religious people. They talk about atheism the same way religious people talk about their belief in God that they absolutely know it's true. It's kind of the same thing. They're like, no, there's nothing. I do not believe in God. There's no evidence there's God.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, I can appreciate that. I think there's something going on. I think there's something going on that we're a part of that is too big for us to grasp. Yeah, I think we're like a hand waving over a fucking earthworm and earthworm has no idea what's going on because I think it's too big.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I think just the idea of this infinite space that we live in with who knows how many galaxies and we're on this planet. And we're making babies and you're cooking one up inside your body right now. And you're going on stage and doing stand up and we're having an election and we might have a nuclear war.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I'm like, I have nine frozen, blah, blah, blah. Listen, you're just being transparent. I think that's a strong quality.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And all this shit is happening all throughout the universe, all over the place, not just here, but probably in an infinite number of planets everywhere. The whole thing's too big. And for you to say there's no God, God's not real. It's like you have no idea. You have no idea. And by the way, the evidence of there being something that's forcing this in a general direction is overwhelming.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
There's something that's – whether it's some natural properties like Brett Weinstein calls it Darwinian evolution, that it applies to everything and things get better and improve and evolve. Yeah, but what is causing that? What made that? What is the overall force behind this whole thing? What's its goal? It seems to be moving in a general direction all the time.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And that direction is like constant improvement of life forms, of societies, of technology. It's moving in this fucking direction. How do you know it's not God? How do you know it's not the way God works? How do you know the universe isn't God and this is the way it expresses itself?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah. But then they'll say, look, I didn't ask to be born.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Andrew Santino, the hilarious comedian, talks about it. He said it was one of the worst experiences of his life.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Whenever you have a medication and one of the side effects is suicidal. I know those those ones freak me out because they'll just say it real, real calm. These people are holding hands and spinning around in a wheat field. Suicidal ideation. What?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah. Well, also, I've always found that the people that want to control other people most likely are out of control of some aspect of themselves.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, that one's catchy. Listen, Kat, I really enjoyed talking to you. It was a lot of fun.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, also, it's like, God, it's not that hard, folks. Do it.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
This is a man. You should get some old man to do your voice. A British guy. Our first period.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
If I see men that are like really invested in telling women what to do and controlling what some weird thing that I was reading about people wanting to monitor employees periods.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Which is crazy also because miscarriage is some of the most emotionally devastating things for women. And then to be accused of killing your baby.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
stuff like well in two separate occasions I've had private text messages that were publicly available because of trials yeah so I'm telling one of them was Alex Jones and I were texting about something yeah and they wanted every text that Alex Jones and I had ever sent each other yeah I'm like, well, okay, why? Because it was all about the Sandy Hook thing.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And the only text that they found was there was some crazy story, and I sent it to him, and I said, is this true? That's it. That's the extent of our discussion. But that got read in court, and then it got printed online. And I was like, wow, that's crazy. That a private communication between people all of a sudden not just gets read in court, but also gets distributed on the news.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Good luck with my memes folder. My fucking memes folder is chaos.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Which is a huge factor, especially with people like us. You say funny things to your friends that you don't really mean.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yes. All the time. Half of the texts that I go back and forth with comedian friends are just nonsense.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It wouldn't. It wouldn't. Because I think people are done with that horse shit. They think it's stupid. They really do.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, that's true, too. And also, there's a lot of people that just love to watch people get fucked over. They really do. And they cheer it on. They cheer it on. They get excited about it.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Something bonkers. Because people are just online. If you have a shit job, you know that Call of Duty is waiting. And all you have to do is put those headphones on and sit in front of that computer and now life is exciting.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You'll learn from that. You don't learn anything from the video.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Right. Well, I think people going through things definitely makes them stronger. The rise of sexless men, sexless and single men, a third. Wow. So it's a third. I thought it was half.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
A third of men aren't having sex. And here's why. The last decade alone, we see the number of sexless men between ages 18 and 30 increased by 253%. That's nuts. Yeah. Wow. It's just skyrocketing. Yeah. Not good.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But it's 100 percent. But it's better not to. There's no benefit in reading even the good stuff.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, occasionally, but it's not worth the ones that don't.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
like gas station trail mix and every now and then there was a fentanyl in one no i probably is at this point but you know if you had like 10 bags of trail mix and every now and then one of them gives you a pill that puts you in a fucking coma no you would stop eating trail mix no i hear what you're saying it's hard i recently posted a video where i responded to hate tweets or whatever and i made my team go find them i was like will you guys go find the funny ones because i don't want to look at all of them
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Oh, that's better. Yeah, because you don't want to go down a spiral finding only people who hate you. And when you're dealing with something like Fox News, you're dealing with numbers. I mean, the numbers of human beings that see you on TV all the time are huge. And then the numbers of deranged people that also think the country is falling apart and they're super tribal.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You know, they want you to be all in with Trump. Yes. All in. And if you're not all in, they're ready to put the duct tape and the fucking zip ties in the truck and head out the door.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I know people who give in. I know people who do it kind of disingenuously, give in on purpose.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
That's that's the problem. It's like you're opinionated. You like to have fun. You like to be impulsive and say crazy shit off the cuff.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
If you're only thinking about appeasing one certain group, that power goes away.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Did you see the Amazon Alexa when they asked Alexa why you should vote for Trump or why you should vote for Biden?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Jamie, I can send it to you or you might be able to find it. It is so nuts what Amazon's, what Alexa's response is, the difference between- I'm sure there's a vast, yes. There's a grand canyon between the two of them. Yeah. Do you have it or you want me to get it? Hold on. What is this?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Amazon's elected different responses about voting Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris were an error that it has fixed.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's not an error because they literally asked the exact same questions about Obama and or excuse me, about Trump and about Kamala. The exact same questions. I'm sorry, I'm distracted because I'm trying to look for it while I'm talking.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
So just woke propaganda straight from Alexa. Just listen to the language being used. The glass ceiling.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Like a production machine level where you're like, wow, look at this thing work. This is nuts. It's like watching a car get put together by robots. Like, whoa.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Did you see where they compared the differences in her speech in Detroit versus her speech in Pittsburgh?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
We need to watch this. First of all, what's fascinating is if I was in her court, if I was working with her, I would say, listen, listen, listen. First of all, nothing off the cuff.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Nothing off the cuff ever. No interviews ever. Speeches never. Yeah, teleprompter only. We're busy. We're busy trying to fix the world. We don't have time for interviews. I'd say no interviews. Because interviews are when things go sideways. So like CNN was 41 minutes. They edited it down to 18 and all of it sucked.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Also, like the difference between the way they probe J.D. Vance versus the way they probe her and Walt. So listen, Kamala in Detroit versus Kamala in Pittsburgh, literally five hours apart.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's so embarrassing, too. It would be one thing if she did that all the time. Right, of course. She's got the ability to talk like that if she enjoys it.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
She wants to talk a little shit. Yeah. That's how she's doing it, but... It seems like it's all this construct. Of course it is. You ever been to Universal in Hollywood where they shoot TV shows and you go down the street and it's these facades that look like a city street. But behind them is just a bunch of boards holding up the front of the building. There's no house. Yeah.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
She could totally win. I know a lot of people that think it's a good idea to vote for her. Yeah, so do I. I was watching Ben Stiller with his fucking eyes glazed over just talking about how great she's going to be. I was like, this is fascinating.
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And there was nothing that happened that changed that person.
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It's great for a lot of things. It's just the delivery methods.
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Yeah, but once you've kicked it, you should probably try to keep it off.
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Whoa. So do you start with like regular vapes that you buy at the gas station and move your way up to robots?
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You know, you're doing the right thing by not feeding it jewels.
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What is the side effects that they think can happen to kids?
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And is that from smoking or is that from nicotine itself?
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So is being off of caffeine hard or is it being, you can have 200 milligrams of caffeine a day. So is the being off the stimulus, is that the hardest or is that's harder than nicotine?
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And so did you have to wean yourself off or did you go cold turkey as soon as you knew that?
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Because... Because you have to sort of like... Your equilibrium has to come back.
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Wow. And so was it immediately hard or was it hard right away? First day, you're like, oh my God, where's my speed?
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It seems to be a problem. Anybody's doing a little crack every now and then.
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So you were being like a chemist. You were going and mixing oils.
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My friend Adam Curry uses a robot. He's got that robot lunchbox type thing. And he says it's better. Because he says, first of all, you know what's in there. Because if you're buying them, they're making them in Vietnam in some sweatshop somewhere. Have you ever seen those factories where they test them all? Some guy sucks on every one of them. This one poor guy.
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This dude is just sucking on these things. I mean, I don't know where they make them. He's an Asian fellow, but he just keeps hitting them. He just has to check every one of them, make sure they blow smoke. She's grabbing them off the assembly line. Oh, yeah. Putting them in these boxes. Yeah. So he's just... Mainlining nicotine all day long and whatever those oils are.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, is there better oils that those things that like when my friend Adam, you know, Adam Curry is the original podfather. He's the guy.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, he's the best. But he has those things and he was trying to convince me that those things are OK. And the whole thing. The whole thing about vapes being bad was just like the tobacco companies and a bunch of shenanigans. And I was like, hmm. I'm paraphrasing. I'm not giving you the full story.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But his argument was that those robot lunchbox type vapes, those big fat boys, at least you know what's in there. Like, you know where you're getting your oils. Like, you can get different quality and caliber of nicotine oils.
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So you wrote a book about, well, I think the title is I Used to Like You But. Until.
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Why did you want to do that? What was the motivation behind that?
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Well, he's trying to shame you. He's trying to blame you for this insurrection attempt, what he perceives to be.
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But here's what's fucked. It's exactly what we were talking about with comments. Who's that guy? That's a guy who's a failure.
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Who you started out open mics and he remembers and now you're successful and he's not. And he's like, yeah, you caused the fucking collapse of democracy with your jokes.
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they're probably feds yeah okay you don't even know like hey lady i just remember being like totally yeah you gotta you gotta ask her questions like what have you read what have you read that brought to those conclusions i don't think she knew what she'd read but she was told me she's speaking very matter-of-factly like oh yeah people love to do that yeah but well also probably they're giving her potassium supplements probably because her fucking brain is shutting down
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, and probably not doing so well health-wise. They're giving her potassium supplements. That's what they're trying to say. Hey, your electrolyte balance is off. Nothing's firing correctly. You got real problems. She's probably cramping up.
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But if you can talk to someone really dumb, who's really into something politically, you can get kind of insight.
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Hospital workers like everybody else. Some of them are really good and some suck. And also, it's just it's weird to be alone like that. Like, there's no reason why you should have had to have been alone.
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If it's OK for someone to sit with you, that should be fine. Why couldn't he stay? Yeah. I mean, I've had family members in the hospital before. You just sit next to him and read a book and they feel comfortable. Someone that they love is there. Yeah. Makes them feel better.
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You should have somebody with you. Two hours is nuts. Why?
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My daughter had a pretty loud cold or cough and they brought it to the hospital. I was telling my wife, she's probably got the vid. It's going around. She goes, no, she's got a nasal infection. And I said, did they test for COVID? She's like, no.
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I'm like, they didn't even test? If this was two years ago, they would 100% immediately test you for COVID. But yet they're still talking about COVID. And they don't even test kids for it.
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supposed to be some real benefits to nutritional supplementation or your your baby is being born inside of you like like or being created inside of you like maybe possibly go into a place to get your blood work drawn yeah finding like what nutrients you're deficient in and it could really help you i should i should do stuff like that we're gonna help you
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I mean, it's all just simple, basic, natural stuff like vitamin C and vitamin D and vitamin K2 and all that stuff, but your body really extra needs that. You're making a little human.
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My friends have quit cigarettes. That's the first thing they say. They get fat.
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They immediately start gaining weight because nicotine is really essentially kind of a speed, too. It's a little bit of a stimulant. I was so much. And an appetite suppressant.
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Is that a lot, Jamie? That's the one you're saying was a lot? The other day it was 20, so that's like... Someone was talking about 20? Yeah.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
That's Henry Rollins' story, too. Yeah. They put him on Ritalin when he was five years old as well. And he said, like, he'd be just fucking all day at school, just gritting his teeth.
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Well, I know a lot of people that really love it and they're all kind of out of control. They're just a little bit off the rails.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's a real problem. And it's so funny. Like if you say I'm independent, I just want small government. Immediately people start thinking prepper, KKK, stockpiling guns, living in the woods. I'm independent. I want small government is like you might be a dangerous person.
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That's not a good feeling It's just nuts how many doctors prescribe that stuff Mm-hmm, and and how many people are on it? What was it 39 million? Is that what it was prescriptions last year? Oh Something kooky like that. It's probably more than that because I think that was actually 2021 now that I think about it. So it's probably way more than that now.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, most doctors are not going to recommend nicotine ever.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
NeuroGum is... I don't have anything to do with this company, by the way. Just something I like. NeuroGum is gum that has theanine in it and caffeine, and it enhances brain function.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And then there's some other stuff that you can get. We sell something at Onnit called AlphaBrain, and there's AlphaBrain, then AlphaBrain Black Label, which is like the more potent version. That stuff's very legit. Really helps memory, really helps. We did... Back in the day when we first put it out, a lot of people were like, this is fucking snake oil. So, well, okay, let's find out.
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Because there's studies, but there's no real, like, let's find out, let's get something definitive. So we did two double-blind placebo-controlled studies at the Boston Center for Memory, where they found increase in... Increase in verbal memory, so your ability to recall words. Increase in reaction time. Increase in alpha flow state.
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So there was a bunch of recognizable benefits at a dose that was lower than what I was taking. It was like half what I was taking. I think the dose was two pills, and I'd do four. A lot of times when I'm getting crazy, I'll do six.
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Like if I have a UFC, UFCs require six pills. Yeah. It's six hours. I'm sitting down there for six hours. I bring snacks and I drink monsters and I have alpha brain.
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But you should try some other stuff that doesn't like there's some other stuff that will give you benefits but doesn't give you that weird feeling. You know, that accelerated feeling.
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I have a friend whose daughter was on ADHD medication. And she was getting off of it. And he started giving her AlphaBrain.
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You seem totally fine, coherent. You're talking very quickly. You're not exhausted, right? No, I'm not exhausted. This is you.
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You seem like a wonderful person off of it. I don't think you need it. I think everybody would like to be a little bit more productive, especially if you're a creative type, if you're a writer, if you're doing things. You'd like to be a little bit more productive. But there's no biological free lunch. Yeah.
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And there's probably going to be some sort of long-term damage to a lifetime of stimulating your system. I know a lot of people that did a lot of coke in the 1970s, and they're all fucked up. A lot of them died with neurological conditions.
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I just wonder, it's a difference between doing coke five nights a week for a few hours a night versus a pill that you're taking every fucking day that jacks your system up. Who knows if you're going to blow a fuse over time? Like, who knows?
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Now, what about have you ever tried new vigil or pro vigil?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
The problem with the government solving problems and the government is not financially invested in a solution. No. They just want to have more jobs and they want to keep more bureaucracy and more people working on a problem, hence the California homeless problem. Imagine if that was farmed off to the private sector.
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How crazy is it that that's all the requirement they have to give you a drug? They're like, she looks pretty sleepy right now. You look pretty sleepy. You must have narcolepsy. Not you're tired. Not are you staying up all night. Do you have a lot going on at your house? Are you not getting any sleep? Now you do. No, you have narcolepsy.
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They didn't ask because they don't give a fuck. They just want to give you a pill. They want to give you a pill.
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The more they prescribe, the more money they make. Let's go. And they're like, you need Provigil. You're like, okay.
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ProVigil doesn't seem like a stimulant. Did it seem like it for you?
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And then there's NuVigil. NuVigil's another version of it. I don't know what the difference is, but they both seem to work the same way. I used to take it if I had to drive. Like if I was in San Diego and I did a gig and I'm like, it's 11 o'clock, show's over, I could be home in my bed at 2 in the morning.
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Latest, you know? It's not really a three-hour drive unless there's traffic.
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But you know how it is if you're driving in the road and it's late at night. I don't drive. Okay.
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When I would be on the road and I was... Is it because of narcolepsy?
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It's not that big a deal. You're in a car for 18 hours. Just get zen about it.
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Imagine if the only way to make money in the homeless problem is actually creating a solution for it.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Feral cats are weird. They never really get unferal. No, they don't. Feral dogs can eventually become dogs again. I've seen it happen. They usually have like a fear of people, but they eventually calm down. Like people that have gotten like stray dogs. I had a stray dog off the street.
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And I had a stray cat. And that stray cat, I was the only one that could pick that motherfucker up. I was the only one who could pet him. Everybody else, he would come near him. He'd hiss at you and take a swing at you and run away.
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They're like your baby forever. Well, I went through everything.
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My life has changed. Yeah, and this cat's been with you the whole ride.
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Nobody's like, he's here, you know? Have you seen that chimp crazy thing on Netflix yet?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Okay, it's about that lady that kept a chimp and the chimp ripped apart a friend. You know that story? No. I've heard it's by the same people that did Tiger King, right? I've heard it's fucking insane. They say it's way better than Tiger King. They say it's nuts.
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I love Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall's odd, though. Oh, of course.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
This lady, like it's apparently, we can't really, can we play the trailer? We'll get in trouble. Okay. So that is the chimp that... Well, the thing about chimps is when they're little, you can kind of tell them what to do because they're little. They're babies. They listen to you. But then when they get to be a certain age, that's a grown adult alpha primate.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
They're not listening to you. They'll rip your fucking nose off.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
They don't care. And they also have like this very strong sense of fairness.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
there's one this guy that had a pet chimp they had for many many years then he got older and it was too difficult to control and so they brought it to a chimp sanctuary and so he goes to visit the chimp on the day of the chimp's birthday and brought him a cake like they could still visit the chimp okay they bring him a cake but the other chimps are jealous that they don't get a cake and someone had left the door open so the chimps come out attack this guy rip him to pieces
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Rip his hands off. Rip his dick off. Rip his face off. They ripped his dick off? They go for everything that makes you a person. They tear your fingers off. They tear your eyeballs out. They're not even trying to kill you. They're trying to maim you. Yeah. They do some vicious, evil, horrible shit.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And they do it because they are mad at you. It's a different thing than, like, a wolf. Yeah. A wolf's not necessarily mad at you. It wants to eat you. Right. A chimpanzee wants to tear you apart because it's mad at you.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, so you're dealing with, like, a low-level intelligence and jealousy, pettiness, like, sense of fairness, and then all this, like, alpha primate shit that comes with chimpanzees in general, and then you got them captive because... So they're basically prisoners. So they're in this cage. They have nothing fun all day. And someone shows up with a keg like, where's my fucking keg?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Where's my fucking keg? And then they just get out and tear this guy apart.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah. So I lived in New York once. I drove. I had to do an audition. I drove to I lived in New Rochelle. So I lived like right outside the Bronx and I drove to the city and home from the city. I blew out one tire driving to the city at a pull over the side of the road. Change this fucking tire. Dangerous risking my life on the way back. I blew out another tire. Yeah, geez.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah brought in something that you didn't produce that was about chimpanzee, but I like shared it and it was like a disturbing I don't remember what it exactly was they gonna learn I
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah. It's a real true thing. Don't you teach about the Holocaust? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Don't you teach about Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima? Yeah. Terrible things have happened. Yeah, that's true. Are you going to not teach about them because they're disturbing? I agree. I agree. That's so ridiculous.
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Yeah, but isn't it interesting that you, now becoming a successful person and doing stand-up, you would see someone like that and go, oh, you're just in the wrong job. Like someone's trying to put you at a job at an office somewhere, and that's really not for you.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And there's a lot of people out there that say I could never be a standup comedian.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yes, and it's the classic story. That's the marvelous Mrs. Maisel story. That's the Lenny Bruce story. It's the classic story. People going on stage and going, what the fuck is wrong with my life? And you're like, hey, I think I'm onto something.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But you can do that. Some people just don't have that same psychological makeup, which is my original point is that there's a lot of people out there that shouldn't be doing regular jobs and just giving them Ritalin. I don't think it's the answer. Like if you're saying that you can go outside, you can play with bugs and lizards and shit and you're fascinated.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
That's what normal people are supposed to be doing. It's so abnormal to be sitting in a room with artificial light at a desk where you're not supposed to move talking about shit that's not interesting to you. That's normal for a kid to rebel against something like that.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's just the problem is the environment of schools is terrible for kids. Kids have a lot of fucking issues.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But listen, I'm hearing you talk right now and you're not on stimulants. You're obviously very smart. So why are you saying that you couldn't have gotten a 4.0 unless you're on stimulants? I don't believe it.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Because you've always been on them. But you're not on them. But you're not on them right now.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But you're very sharp and you're very fast. You don't seem like you're slowed down at all.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Okay, but maybe that's just in your head. Maybe. And maybe you would have gotten a 4.0 either way because you're fucking smart. And maybe all that does is give you speed and you're like, you keep going. Maybe you would have been more introspective if you weren't on them. Maybe you would look at things slightly differently.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Maybe you'd have a more balanced and nuanced take if you weren't on fucking diesel fuel. In elementary school? With a fire burning inside your head.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
So when you went in, you were exhausted at first and then you were on speed as well.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
No, but when you found out that you were pregnant, it was because you weren't feeling well, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. While you were on speed. Yeah, I was still tired.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I think you're just a fast-paced person. And I'm not necessarily sure. I'm not a psychiatrist.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I'm sure you love your dog just as much, and you want to do your best to help them live longer, healthier, happier lives. And a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food, just like it does for us. There's a reason having a balanced diet is so important. So how do you know if your dog's food is as healthy and as safe as it can be?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I know you're going to get right back on. As soon as you can.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
That's what most people do. That's normal. Not to this extent. I bet it is. It's normal to be a little scatterbrained. I'm more than a little scatterbrained. I know, but you're fine. So like if I was like, if I was an ethical doctor.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
All right, cool. If I was in, that's actually poor for me.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
If I was an ethical doctor and you came into my office and there was no financial incentive for me to prescribe medication to you, I'd say, you're fine. What's wrong with you, Kat? Do you know how many people would like kill or take a medication to be in the state of mind that you're at all the time? Like the way you can talk and how coherent you are and how articulate you are and fast paced.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Your thinking is very quick. You don't need anything. This is all in your head, but you can't write bullshit. That's not true. It's just different because you're not high. You're not speeded up fucking smashing keys. You still can write. You don't need a medication because writing is complicated. I'm not saying you shouldn't take it.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I'm not saying you shouldn't have the ability to as long as you're not fucking up your baby after all that breastfeeding stuff's done. But the point is, I think this whole I need it stuff is nonsense.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, wouldn't it be nice to be able to go on a vacation and not have to take speed?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I get how it's been good for you. It's been good to you. You've enjoyed, you've reaped its benefits. But I don't think you need it. I mean, for you to be here right now, sober, in the state you're at, you're as sharp as most people that I talk to. You're on the ball.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, maybe this baby will be an awesome reset for that. Maybe at the end of the nine months. you'll have a completely different perspective. You've been off of it so long. You realize like, wow, it's actually better.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
That's what you say next to your two-fisted names. I know. You had the big lunchboxes. Strawberry. Lemonade.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
So what is in the oil? What is the best? I should probably call Adam and ask him. But what is the best oil for vapes that's not as bad for you?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
How would we Google this? I don't remember it. How would we Google this? Is there a difference in the harm that certain vape chemicals can do? And is there a healthy version of that?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
There was two different people had gotten some really tainted THC vapes and died.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Who's the chemist? What bathtub does this get fucking cooked up in?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
At least if you're getting the actual cannabis plant, you know what it is. Right. It's strong or it's not strong. You figure that out, you're going to be fine. You're...
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You don't want to be the person that winds up in the news.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
No, you don't want to be the person that winds up in the news because your legs stop working because you smoked some fucking gas station vape pen.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Is there any benefit to the kind of oils that they use in the homemade robot type vapes?
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Googling it just brings up a bunch of websites that are trying to sell me stuff. But what I gather from those is that they're all saying you want something that doesn't have nicotine in it, which is a little strange.
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Then you want to add pharmaceutical grade nicotine. So that might be where the problems come in. and cheap nicotine additives or something like that.
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But what is that word? Dicetyl? Dicetyl-free? I saw that a few places. Dicetyl? I don't know. Dicetyl. Am I saying it right?
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Okay. Go back up again. Go back up again. It says the safest e-juice ratio is one that has less propylene glycol. If your vaporizer allows it, try to use 100% vegetable glycerin e-juice.
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Right, but when they're saying vegetable oil, are we talking about what kind of vegetables? Yeah. What's in that? Is it seed oils?
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Yeah, everything says PG or VG mix, and that's what that means is the vegetable glycerin.
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Right, but what is that vegetable glycerin made out of? Is that made out of canola oil? What is it made out of?
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Because I know someone was making it with MCT oil and they were trying to tell me this is the safe version. Some dude with a robot.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Here it says VG is generally recognized as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. But hold on a second. As VG is vegetable-based, there's a much lower toxicity than PG, so that's propylene glycol, or nicotine. So it's safe to use in e-liquids for vaping. Of course, though, like many things, there's a potential for allergic reaction. But what's it made out of? Vegetable glycerin.
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What is vegetable glycerin made out of? Google that. I just want to know what they're using. Like, what plants? What vegetables? Clear otosweetening liquid made from the vegetable oils such as palm, soy, or coconut. Okay, palm, terrible for you. Soy, terrible for you. Coconut, not bad. Coconut's good for you.
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So it's like, depending upon what kind of oil you get, you're spraying the inside of your lungs with some shit that's generally not good for consumption. Like, palm oil's supposed to be bad for consumption. Canola oil's bad for consumption. It causes inflammation. Vegetable glycerin is made by heating triglyceride-rich vegetable fats under pressure or with a strong alkali such as lye.
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Yeah, lye is nasty. It's like how people would straighten their hair out, too.
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That stuff was on yesterday, the castor. Uh-huh. Was it beaver stacks or something?
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Oh, my God. I was trying to figure out which cigarette to use it, but... Chris Harris was telling us that he drank this alcohol that they didn't tell him what was in it. It was a shot, and inside the shot was an essence of beaver. Okay. And it turns out it's a secretion from the beaver's anal gland.
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And it was in his mouth for 10 days. He couldn't get the taste of it out of his mouth.
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He was on that show Top Gear. Okay. And, you know, he's traveling in some other country. Look, this is one of the local things, and he drank this, and... It stayed in his mouth for 10 days.
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But we saw it with the vodka, right? They had beaver caster vodka. So what is MCT oil in vapes? Google MCT oil in vapes. See if that's legit. Because this guy was trying to, which is essentially like coconut oils and stuff like that. Is it MCT medium? Yes. Yes.
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So this thing says it's trying to find any heating triglyceride-rich vegetable fats.
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Right. But see if someone does it, if they're trying to promote it as a healthy alternative to normal vape oils. MCT oil in... in vapes.
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The very first thing that came up was from Weed Maps. It says, occasionally vaping MCTO may or may not be harmful to the lungs. That's so helpful.
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aerosolized and inhaled MCT oil can be harmful to respiratory health Michigan's banning them Michigan's banning them but okay when you hear Michigan's banning them I go okay but did another industry tell Michigan that they're bad so they can sell their fucking bullshit oil vapes like there's so much fuckery going on with all this stuff especially these unregulated things yeah There it goes.
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When heated and inhaled, oils can cause lipid pneumonia, a serious lung condition. Yeah, I knew a family in California, and their kid got pneumonia. He was vaping every day, and he wound up dying.
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He was 19 years old. Oh, shit. Yeah, apparently he was just vaping constantly.
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Six years ago. The current articles show that MCT oil combined with CBD has increased health benefits.
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It's so hard to know what's true and what's not true. It's just so much fuckery.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, there's just too many doctors that have a financial interest in following whatever the company line is. And with certain things, they're not allowed to prescribe medications because those medications aren't as profitable as the ones that they're promoted to prescribe.
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I wanted to bring this up since we don't know. I was going to bring it up earlier while you were talking about it. This says that nicotine replacement therapy could be okay during pregnancy.
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That's such a dude thing to say because dudes can have kids. Jamie's like, well, that's what he says. It's fine.
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Oh, my friend Duncan, here's a good story. My friend Duncan has diabetes. He has the kind of get it from diet. He's a thin guy and I found out he was feeling like shit, found out he has diabetes. Like, wow, this is fucking crazy. So cut sugar out of his life. All of a sudden diabetes goes away. Feels incredible. It was like, I can't believe how much energy I had.
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Oh my God, I was poisoning myself all day. And then, you know, he has this like glucose monitor thing. And the glucose monitor thing is kind of his glucose is too high. And he's trying to figure out what it is. It's vaping because all those flavored vapes have sugar in them. So every time he's taken a vape off this gas station bullshit. Diabetes from vaping. He's probably got diabetes from vaping.
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That's crazy. Sugar as well, but he's vaping all day. So he's pumping the sugar into his system, and so he realized after he cut all the sugar out that his sugar levels would go crazy, and it was because of vaping. So as soon as he stopped that, it went all normalized.
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Have you seen the blizzard? When that guy takes the blizzard from Dunkin' Donuts, and he puts it next to a clear cup to show you how much sugar. No, it's that drink, that frozen coffee drink. Yeah. And that frozen coffee drink has so much sugar, and he puts the clear cup next to it so you can see how much sugar. It's 183 grams of sugar. Is that right? There's a lot.
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It's like a frozen pumpkin swirl thing. It has videos on the screen.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Okay, so this is it. It says Dunkin' Donuts. It doesn't say what the thing is, but it's some kind of a sugary coffee type beverage. That's so gross. Sorry, Derek Green, for tainting the name of your wonderful blizzards.
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That guy's showing you all the sugar that's in that thing. That's so insane to take that much sugar in a drink.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Look at that stack of sugar cubes. That is so bananas. That's 181. So it's 34 teaspoons or 51.5 cubes of sugar. Holy Jesus. It's a giant drink though too, yeah. Yeah, but it's also got ice in it.
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If you get rid of all that ice, how much of it is all sugar? It's like you're just drinking sugar and ice. And you see people walking around with those.
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Well, people get used to the sugar. And then the sugar doesn't make them crash as much.
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Because I don't do that. But if I do, like, if I have, like, a milkshake, I'll be like, oh.
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But some people eat it all day long and they just their body just gets accustomed to it. Just like alcohol.
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It is crazy. I hear that and I'm like, that sounds like me. I don't know what it means because I bet you can focus on things that you enjoy.
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And it's everywhere. It's in everything. It's in so many different foods that it doesn't need to be in. But it makes more addictive.
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You should be eating really healthy, essential fatty acids, eating lots of salmon and things along those lines. But, yeah, nobody cares about that. Nobody talks to you about sugar.
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If I was your husband, I'd be sneaking food. I'd be giving that cat ice cream.
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If you didn't give it to them, what would happen? Every now and then he'd get a blister?
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Writing is hard for everybody. That's why no one's a writer.
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Maybe it wouldn't suck. Maybe it wouldn't suck if you had him as a kid.
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I guarantee that's there's a switch that goes in those feral cats that never really shuts off.
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It's weird. It's a weird switch because like it exists in certain animals. Like there's when they go feral, they just never come back. There's just a giant difference between like domesticated, certain domesticated animals and feral. Cats are the best example because feral cats are so different. Domesticated cats are wonderful. Like, hey, little buddy. They sit in your lap.
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They touch your legs and go up like this, up and down with their little claws.
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Like, he'll decide something pisses him off. Like I said, I had a feral cat. He used to do that, too. But the difference between that and an actual cat in the wild is profound. They know no one's looking out for them, and that switch has already gone off. They're not being taken care of. But if you took care of them from the time he was a baby, it'd be interesting. Maybe he'd be a good cat.
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Would you be willing to do that? To clone him? Or would you think some Pet Sematary shit would go down?
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That's who I dedicated it to. Joan Rivers has my favorite conspiracy theory, the real kooks.
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believe that they took out Joan Rivers when she said Michelle Obama was a man yes that conspiracy people are like look at this video look at this video she says this and then what happens it's so funny those those fucking the really loony conspiracy people oh they're hilarious they're so there's so much entertainment in that that's one of my favorite ones
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Oh, that's... Joan Rivers... She was 80 years old and she was getting plastic surgery.
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For, like, the 80th time. Like, that shit is so bad for you.
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Well, I think in the future you won't have to do that. I think they'll have an ability to regenerate skin tissue and make your skin much healthier. For sure, they're already doing these things where they microneedle your face and cover your face with exosomes.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
That has a significant impact. Red light therapy has a significant impact in your skin elasticity and your collagen. But I think in the future they're going to be able to regenerate tissue. And I think they're pretty close to that. I don't think you're going to need to get your fucking lizard face up.
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You know what creeps me out though? When women get a mouth that's too big.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
They get Joker face because their fucking face is being pulled sideways. So they have a smile and they always show some gum.
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Well, it's for sure body dysmorphia. It's the same as people who have anorexia, the same as people who are bodybuilders who think they're tiny. People have a propensity to develop, at least certain people do, this kind of disease where you don't see yourself as other people see you. Right. And it can get real weird if you start doing stuff to your face. Yeah.
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Like we played a video compilation of these two brothers. I don't know what they do. They're famous for some reason, but super handsome when they're young. Like handsome, good looking, like model. Looked like model. And as they got older, they started shooting shit in their face. And then they became like Pinwheel from Saw.
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The whole thing is like super bizarre. And if you see the madness take place like over the years, like here – So this is what they look like now. But let me show you what they used to look like when they were young. Why do they?
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They're just good looking guys. See if you can find a video of the guy over the years, because the video over the years is wild because you get to see his face moving, you know, and you see him and you go, oh, it's like a good looking guy, like good looking, normal guy. Yeah. So this is them when they're already fucked up.
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But this is them when they're younger. Go back to that real quick. Look at that.
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Great looking guy. And now look at them. They look insane. Yeah. Instead of just looking like an old, like Kevin Costner, just an older, handsome man.
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It's a dangerous road. And when actresses do it, it fucks up their career.
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Well, it does for some because they go away because they don't look like the same person anymore.
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So she got her nose fixed. This is like her older, but when she was younger, she had this very prominent nose and then she got it fixed and like she was unrecognizable.
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Yeah, but the problem is when everybody knows you as the person who looks like that, like Barbra Streisand. If Barbra Streisand got a nose job, it would be crazy. What are you doing? You're not Barbra Streisand anymore. We love the old you. That's what we like. We don't want you doing that. That's nuts. You're changing the shape of your nose, and it's really obvious.
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So let me get this straight. So you're young. You're real energetic. You don't want to sit still in class. But are you interested in some things? Like, do you focus on some things in your life?
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It's crazy when dudes do it. Like politician dudes. And all of a sudden they got that frozen forehead.
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All of a sudden he's got the eyebrows are up and his forehead's not moving.
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Yeah, I don't know. Why are you scared of a brow movement when you're a man?
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And people cheer it on. People are like, yeah, bro. It's hilarious.
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Yeah, it's like when you see Rupert Murdoch with whatever his latest wife is.
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There's a lot of those old rich guys, though, that have like... Bomber wise. Of course. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy to watch.
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crazy I know it's like in general especially like with old rich guys like none of them are married by their age no I told him like babe I'm like you're in finance your wife's not even born yet
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Oh, that's hilarious. Are you more or less stable off the amphetamines?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I mean, certainly there's something going on inside your body that's significant. And then on top of that, you're off speed.
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That's why it'd be interesting for you to wait a little while.
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You probably should. You might like yourself more after nine months.
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Because right now you're still in the hell of it. It is. How many months has it been since you stopped?
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So this is like a new thing. You know, your body's probably still...
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Are you worried about that? Like becoming exhausted and that that would have a detrimental effect?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, that's why I don't know what this is, because every time someone talks about ADHD and people want to insist that it's an actual pathology, that's an actual issue. And I'm always like, boy, I don't know, because I think it's a superpower. Yeah.
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It's crazy that you're going to do it all the way up until nine months. Yeah. Why not just stop doing it at six?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
What if you give birth prematurely when you're on the road?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's funny that people would instantly want to label you as a right wing person because you're on Fox. And also, it's funny that just people do that anymore. Whatever they did when they first created Fox, because Fox was essentially the first real opinion based news source that was very right wing that was on television. And then that gave the rise to or at least gave.
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some of the motivation to places like CNN to develop these editorial based shows and opinion based perspectives that really annoyed and polarized so many people. And it used to be that there were certain stations that would have objective news and you would get objective news and you would have right wing people given their perspective and left wing people.
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Look, Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley debated live on television multiple times in a row. And it was like one of the biggest events on TV at the time. Like people were allowed to have differing opinions and they'd be on a show and we would let them talk things through. Yeah. And even then, I'm sure it was polarized. It's always going to be. People are always going to be tribal.
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But today it's so much more ridiculous than at any time I could ever remember in my life.
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Maybe you just have a point and just listen to what the point is.
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Because they're really just committed to their tribe. Exactly. It's these blue no matter who people or red till dead people. And you can trick them. This is one of the reasons why, like, if I was the grand manipulator of the world, if I really believe there's one cabal of super geniuses that's running everything, I would try to see if I could do that.
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I would say let's see if we can get the left to support censorship, pro-war, invasive politics, like entering into people's homes and classrooms and siphoning up their information in order to protect trans kids in fucking Detroit or whatever it is. Come up with some fucking reason and make everybody get a part of a centralized digital currency because that's better for everybody.
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Put everybody on an app so we know if you're vaccinated. That's the left.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
If I wanted to show that people are so easily manipulated that there is no left, there is no right, it's mostly nonsense. It's mostly people just subscribing to a predetermined pattern of beliefs and behaviors that they think is good and makes them a part of the tribe.
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And it goes so far to the left and so far to the right that... But what used to be crazy is now normalized, like hormone blockers for kids, like being able to take away parents' rights because the child wants to transition and they want to be able to do it without the parents say so.
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Well, Farmer's Dog gives you that peace of mind by making fresh, real food developed by board-certified nutritionists to provide all the nutrients your dog needs. And their food is human-grade, which means it's made to the same quality and safety standards as human food. Very few pet foods are made to this strict standard. And let's be clear, human-grade food doesn't mean the food is fancy.
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But there's never been a time in history where we would have accepted that.
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And it's not just creepy communist shit, but it's prescribed. It's like this is what you're supposed to believe in if you want to be a part of the progressive left.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You know, it's definitely be allowed to be a drag queen. But I don't know if you should have drag queen story hour for five year olds when there's no parents around.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
The results in this country, the academic results are terrible.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Getting rid of a department or disbanding a department doesn't mean you don't fund that thing anymore. But it probably would be better if there was something more competitive.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Because if you just give it, just like we were talking about the homeless problem in California, if you just give it to an organization, institution, it's a government-funded institution, has no obligation to be profitable, has no obligation to be effective. And you just say, we are spending a lot of money on the homeless problem.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And what you've really done is just employ a bunch of people and they've done very little.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You can apply that to basically infrastructure, education, everything. It's just the same kind of thing. It's like, I'm not this...
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
person says the free market will figure out everything but in a lot of cases you'd be better off with some competition so you'd force people to be more effective you'd force results you would have to you would force people to be accountable for whatever decisions they've made and what the results of those decisions are there's no accountability right there's no accountability and that's a real problem in this country and that used to be something that the left feared
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
The left used to fear corporate interference and big business and big government. They used to fear that. They used to fear all that stuff. And now they're all in on it.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, I know people that do... I've never done amphetamines. I've never done Adderall. I've never done Coke. I'm scared of them. But a buddy of mine who had done Adderall and then gone on stage said it was terrible. He was never smiling. He was all serious when he was up there. He said it was awful.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, Trump said he wants to put people in jail for a year.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, I think they did, too. That's why they shuffled Biden out and put Kamala in.
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And they're like, let's just gaslight these motherfuckers into a coma and push this through.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
If they had a full year. of Kamala versus Trump, like a full year of her running and doing interviews. And talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'd have a much more balanced understanding of who she is and how this is going to look and what it's going to be like if she becomes president.
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Because right now people are just riding on gas. Yeah. They're fucking riding on gas.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
What do you think would be the shittiest, like not in terms of for the country, but in terms of people's reaction? Do you think more violence will take place if Trump gets in office or more violence will take place if Kamala gets in office? Because I anticipate there's going to be some craziness after the election. Of course.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Once someone decides, whoever someone is, whoever's president, whenever it gets decided, there's going to be some madness. Yeah. You got to be some real madness. And I get scared of that kind of stuff, too, because I know that a lot of times when people do that, they think they're making a point.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But boy, if you're against government control, those kind of like real angry riots and protests are an amazing opportunity for them to clamp down on your rights.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, it probably will. I mean especially if you believe the conspiracy theories that some of that stuff is funded. Like some of that stuff is organized. Some protests and riots, they seem to be organized, right? And I'm not going to be a conspiracy theorist, but there is a thing called an agent provocateur. It's always existed.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And they send people in to disrupt protests and turn them violent and make things chaotic. That's always been the case, especially if they want to push a very specific agenda that the people are fed up and they're angry. Remember when the George Floyd riots were going on and they'd find pallets of bricks just laying around?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, that was crazy because I- Some people had reasons for certain bricks being in places.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But there was a few of them where people just said that they just got dropped off there. And that's exactly where everything popped off. Like, why are there pallets of bricks? There's never just pallets of bricks laying around.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But if you were going to organize a riot- Wouldn't you just leave some bricks?
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So what makes you think that you're better on stage off of it?
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If I was like, look, this is what we're going to do. We're organizing. We're spending all this money to get these college kids to invest in this. Then we're going to bring in Antifa and they're going to go crazy and we're handing out masks and then we're going to leave bricks around.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, this is the ultimate goal of – I mean, again, I'm not saying this is happening, but this would be the ultimate goal of a communist dictatorship. You cause chaos. You step in to stop the chaos. You install new rules to make sure that there's no more chaos anymore. You protect – you cause a problem. Yeah. You bring up a solution.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
That solution allows you to gain more control and you just keep doing it. You keep doing it until you have ultimate control over the people.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
What did Kamala Harris say recently about Elon Musk and Twitter having to follow the same rules as Facebook?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It was something... It was something about how Elon's going to have to follow the same rules as Facebook.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
First of all, what rules? Yeah, yeah. And also, didn't Mark Zuckerberg just come out with a statement saying that he regretted giving in to the government's request to take down COVID-19 information? Yeah. And... Yeah, and then the Hunter Biden laptop story. He just came out with a big statement. Because for a lot of people, they were really furious about it.
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Claim, a video clip portrays Harris saying that she will shut down X. I don't think she said she would shut it down. If she wins 2024, then Musk has lost his privileges. The fact that's false. Harris was referring to Trump long before Musk and Twitter rebranded it as X. So is that what she was saying from that video?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
So was the video her saying that why should Twitter be allowed to have Trump on if Facebook can't have him on? Is that what it is?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
When I'm looking for the video, all I'm seeing is within the last 24 hours, posts say a claim is false.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Right, but that is not what we were talking about, though. We were talking about something slightly different. Let me see if I can find it for you.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that she said she would shut it down. What I'm saying is that she was saying that why should Twitter not have to follow the same rules that are being followed by Facebook?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Right, what I typed in was Kamala Harris Twitter rules, so that's the videos that were popping up.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Here, I'm sending it to you right now, Jamie. This is what I'm looking for. Okay, so I need to know what she's referring to here, but listen to this statement. Yeah, I think this is from that. Go ahead and play it. Let's see what it says. So she's probably talking about Trump being on Twitter. Is that what it is?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Okay, right away. There's no way to misconstrue that. What does that mean? Oversight and regulation for free speech is ridiculous. Just that alone, there's no way to misconstrue that. What she was saying is what I was thinking she was saying. She was saying she wants government oversight and regulation for social media.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's also saying that the very thing that Mark Zuckerberg regrets should be happening. Like she's essentially saying why should they have different rules for Facebook than they do for Twitter? Like what rules?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
We don't have rules. We have First Amendment rights of free speech.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Trump said something pretty scary for him. He said that if he finds out that he interfered with the election, he's going to be in jail for the rest of his life. That's pretty scary. That's pretty fucking scary. Because it's very likely that he might wind up being the president. And if he winds up being the president, they start investigating this stuff.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
If I was Mark Zuckerberg, I'd be pretty fucking freaked out by that statement. Because... It is election interference. For sure, whoever was running Twitter who gave in to the FBI's request to take down the Hunter Biden laptop story, they definitely interfered with the way people voted. Because if people found out that that laptop was legitimate and all that stuff was true...
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
So there's a certain percentage. I don't know what the number is, but there's a certain percentage of people that were maybe on the fence and that could have influenced their vote one way or another. And it could have given Trump fuel because he could have been talking about it. See, I told you that this was real and they've been lying. And it would also prove that Biden lied during the debates.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Right. Is your first one? It's my first one. Yeah. So there's lots going on.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, and not only that, it's going to change and get way more complex.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
There's nothing you can do about that. But with all this stuff, this talk, whatever she was saying right there is not what you want to hear from somebody. No. You don't want to hear they're going to censor social media.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
They were talking specifically about Senator Warren talking about banning President Trump's account. And that was her response to it.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, but she was also talking about oversight. She talked about oversight very specifically and clearly.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah. And what's the rule that she's talking about? The same rule should apply, which is there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation, and that has to stop. That's all you need to hear.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Like that right there is not something you want to hear from someone who respects the First Amendment. That's not how it's supposed to be. Also, who's they?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Not only that, if you're talking about oversight and regulation, are you talking about the exact same people that were trying to get Twitter and successfully did get Twitter to take down the Hunter Biden laptop? top story and make it impossible to share that video saying that it was a misinformation when it was not.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And if you don't do anything to correct and to hold people responsible that pushed out that misinformation and no one's punished for it and there's no retribution, there's no repercussions at all. What are you saying then? What are you saying?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's okay if your side says things that aren't true and you can regulate in a way that's not based on fact or reality, but based on a result that you want to take place and that's fine. So we don't have freedom of speech. No, of course not. Then you're talking nonsense. This is talking crazy talk. Maybe she believed it was real back then. Maybe she believed it was real. Who knows?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Maybe she believed it was important. But if you got a hold of the Twitter files and you see what Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi and all those people that went through that stuff with a fine tooth comb, the stuff that they found out. Should make you realize, like, no, you can't have the government tell you what you can and can't say.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
They don't always tell the truth. They're often influenced. Sometimes you have rogue actors. You probably have one or two people that's responsible for making the call to Facebook or to Twitter. So it's on them. It's on these people with whatever fucking influence that they have and whatever people are talking to them behind the scenes. Absolutely. You can't have that, kids.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But they can't even let you debate it. No. They want you to stop it. As soon as they want you to stop it, the only solution to bad information is good information.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
That's how it's supposed to be. If they want to stop you from saying something and then it turns out that what you were saying was true, no one should trust them ever again. There should be some sort of a comeuppance and there's no comeuppance. There's no discussion of it. It's never talked about. It's just plowed on through and we move on to the next thing with no acknowledgement at all.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You guys fucking bullshitted us and lied to us for years. For years. And now you want to control social media to stop lies.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
There's a business behind it. And they use their money and their influence and their control of the media to fuck you. You got bullshitted. You got bullshitted by business. And business, they got together with media and they all had a plan. What are you playing, Jamie? What are you watching over there? More bullshit. It's just there's so much bullshit. But also less bullshit.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I'm sure. Right. I mean, your hormones are going crazy. You got a little person growing inside your body.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
If you think about overall, because there's way more truth now, right? Like you get way more independent journalism than we've ever had access to in the history of the human race. And you get so much of it. So you get all this media propaganda and mainstream bullshit. But on top of that, you get a lot of Jimmy Doors. You get a lot of independent people that are telling the truth.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You get the Glenn Greenwalds. You get the Matt Taibis. You get all these. people that are just telling you, Michael Schellenberger's telling Barry Wise, telling you what the fuck is actually going on and not attached to some large corporation.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
There's a difference between being wrong about something and just lying and then getting truth removed. You know, and shaming doctors from Stanford and Harvard and making them out to be kooks. Some of the people that were the top of their field. Yeah. And they had dissenting opinions because they're experts. Yeah. And they're watching this bullshit go down by bureaucrats.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's weird. It only happens every now and again. It only happens to one half of the population.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Are you seeing the difference in New York with the spike of immigrants?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
There was some recent statistic about the percentage of violent crimes, robberies and assaults that were created by migrants, illegal immigrants that are in New York right now.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
See if you can find it, though. I thought it would be an interesting thing to talk about. At what point in time – I know that Eric Adams, the mayor, is like, stop coming here, go somewhere else. And Kathy Hochul is like, get out of here, go somewhere else. But you still have a sanctuary city, and you still are paying them to stay there.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Here it is. Immigrants. It's on New York Post. Migrants flooding New York City's justice system, making up 75% of arrests in Midtown. As pathetic sanctuary city laws handcuff cops. I saw this thing where someone was complaining to these cops about someone doing something illegal and they said we can't arrest them because this is a sanctuary city and they're migrants. It was somewhere in Colorado.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And it's the reason why life is here. And it's treated as if it's not that big of a deal.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
So you could just do wild things and no one could do anything because you're in a sanctuary city?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
What do you think they're doing? Yeah, that's what they're doing. What do you think they're doing, though? Why do you think they're doing it this way?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, but not wanting to be called xenophobic doesn't mean you have an open border. The idea of just completely abandoning any idea of security concerns.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And it's one of the main focuses in this election is whether or not you can kill the baby. I'm sorry to say it that way. I mean, I'm not in any way trying to take away someone's right to choose. I'm not that guy.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Right. Do you think they're bringing them in here to buy votes, though?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, Nancy Pelosi was on Bill Maher and she was talking about providing a path for them to all be citizens. And that's what she wants to do. Make them documented. Document them.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But the thing is, most people look out for the best interest and you can buy them. I mean, if you're the party that let them through and gave them money and allowed them to establish a foothold in America, now their families here and they're doing much better. Well, you would definitely vote Democrat because they're the people that hooked you up.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
That just seems like a natural human incentive without even having to bribe them to do it. If you're giving them loans and helping them get houses and making it so they can vote and giving them a clear path to citizenship, that seems like if I came here from Guatemala and I didn't know a lot about our political system, the people that hooked me up, I'd stick with them.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
So you probably are going to get a higher percentage of those people that if you can ever do this and create a path with these people who are illegal immigrants and enter into the country illegally can get a quick path to you would have a lot more voters. A lot. You'd have a lot. I mean, it doesn't seem it sounds crazy to say, but it doesn't seem crazy to try.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
If you're trying to figure out a way that you can win and win in the future, like almost every time, wouldn't you like just bring in voters?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But I'm just saying what it actually is, is you're deciding whether or not someone should be able to tell you whether you could terminate the baby that's inside of you that's going to become a person.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Labor. Here's the thing about cheap labor. And this is what Tim Dillon's been saying. He said he's like he thinks they're bringing in cheap, illegal labor. And that's why construction businesses like if you kicked out all the illegal immigrants, he was like a lot of construction businesses would be fucked. They'd be fucked. And he said there's a lot of people that don't want those jobs anymore.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And they're sneaking in people to fill those jobs. He thinks that's part of it. And that makes sense. But did you ever see that documentary Wild Wild Country? It's fucking great. It's on Netflix. And it's all about this cult that put together this compound in the Pacific Northwest. And one of the things they did is they brought in homeless people by the buses. They found all these homeless people.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You can be a part of our community. And these homeless people get there like, wow, finally I have a place and I belong. These people were all psyched. They belonged to this community. And then they voted. So they took over the whole town by busing in voters. So they brought in these voters. They just grabbed homeless people from everywhere. And they integrated into the community.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
They had them vote, but they really didn't. This is like in the 80s or 90s. So they had them vote. What year was that? What year did that take place? It might be the 2000s. Anyway, had them vote. And then once they took over the town, they kicked all the homeless people out. Get the fuck out of here. And the homeless people were like, I thought you loved me. I thought I was a part of the team.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And these people, for once in their life, they had direction. They had meaning. They were part of a community. They're trying to get off the dope. They're feeling better about themselves, chanting and really believing all these things these people are talking about. And they really just used them.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
They can't. They can't care. There's too many people. I mean, just imagine wanting that job, first of all.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And then imagine the stress of how is Trump doing it at 78 years old? How is he dealing with the stress of doing this? No. And he's doing podcasts and it's like, what the fuck? Fuck, man. He started a podcast with Theo. The podcast with Theo was amazing.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
He did one with Lex yesterday. So it's just like, how do you have the energy to keep the fuck that job? I would never. And how can you care as much as you want about, you could try to care, but there's so many things to care about. Yeah. There's so much going on and everything's a fucking fire. Everything's on fire. The economy's on fire.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's it's hard. And if you want to do stand up, God damn it. You kind of have to be in the city. Like, it's so hard to do that unless you're single and free. Like when I lived in New Rochelle, I lived in New Rochelle because I couldn't afford to live in the city at the time. And I was doing a lot of road gigs. I needed a car. I needed a parking spot.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
500 bucks a month or something like that was crazy yeah half of my rent for a spot to put my car i had to have a fucking car so i used to have to drive in the city to go and do spots so do spots in the city i'd have to pay to park i'd always lose money i never made any money if i lived in the city and just hopped around the subway and took cabs i could have made a living doing stand-up in the city but i had to do road gigs in order to just make a living just to be able to do sets in the city
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I mean, I think I could quit it. I quit it during COVID for like eight months, and I was thinking while I was quitting it. I was like, who knows if this is ever going to happen again. I was thinking, I'm okay. I love it. I really love stand-up. It's fun. I love comedians. Stan Hope said it best. He's like, I could quit comedy, but I couldn't quit comedians.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Which is like totally right. It's like the hang is like, it's too, they're too fun to hang with. They're too fun to be silly with. Everyone knows there's no boundaries. Everyone's being hilarious. Everyone, like last night we were in the green room and Brian Simpson came up with this new bit and everybody's like giving it, like he said this thing. It was really fun. I go, dude, that's a bit.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
He's like, you think so? I'm like, fuck yeah. And then he hit it with another tagline and then somebody else jumped in. Then he had another tagline. Like he created this bit right in front of him.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I can't wait to go on stage and tell that. I was like, woo! Those kind of moments, those are the most fun moments. And I think only comics are going to appreciate that. No one else is going to understand what even just happened. That guy just has a bit. There's not only just a bit, but it's a root. of what's gonna be a real chunk of material.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Like, he's just started off with this hilarious premise that has a few really good taglines, and then four months from now, that's gonna probably be a closing bit. It's like one of those deals. It's like, I can't stop hanging out with those people. It's too fun.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I don't know what's in there. I don't know. I mean, what if every embryo is a life? And not just a life, but a soul. And a soul waiting to emerge. Like, once you've done the deed... I'm not that guy. I'm not this religious... No, I don't think you are. I'm not this guy. But I'm just... Let's put it out there.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Right. That probably like eases some of the anxiety. Yeah.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
you need a nap yeah exactly once you have the baby then you're gonna need a lot of naps yeah baby brain is real in the beginning you you think you're like out of it now when you don't get any sleep and the baby's up and then you gotta like take turns like you you're you're gonna be like sleep deprived for several months yeah at least at least at least i mean i i've always it's crazy because only recently have i accepted that this baby's gonna like live in my apartment
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, you're going to want to get a house. You're going to want to be somewhere safer and quieter.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's just, I just, you know, I have friends who raised their whole families in New York City, like kids from baby all the way to grown up. And those kids are different.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Remember when people were using the streets as like racetracks? I was crashing cars because there was no one on the street. So people were going like 150 miles an hour down Broadway.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Also, with all the terrible things that are going on, is that that bad? I mean, they're not doing anything when someone smashes windows and steals clothes.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
When de Blasio let those people have those smash and grabs and was telling them to get it out of their system, remember that?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
that was the strategy just let the riots burn themselves out and don't arrest anybody like what are you fucking doing well no personal property that's calm that's some communist shit too it was great it was just it didn't make any sense it was all failed leftist philosophies from like the 1960s that nobody really believes it in practice and they're they've never worked you can't just let people fucking smash and grab things you're going to destroy the fabric of society you're going to
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Like, what the fuck is that if that thing can become a person? You put it in your body... Thaws out, whatever. I don't know the process. Yeah, I don't really either.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
So many people are going to be indoctrinated into looting and stealing that maybe have never done that before. If you have these mass groups, if you have like these mass groups of people that break into a mall and 200 people, how many of those people have ever done anything like that before? Probably a lot haven't. And now all of a sudden they have and they do it multiple times.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Then it becomes a normalized thing. Yeah. And it realizes, nope, you've created a real fucking problem.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You got to press a button every time you need something Everything's locked up Bert Kreischer went viral today because I think Breitbart put a video of his because he went through a Rite Aid
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
I saw someone commenting on that, though, that Rite Aid's going out of business and that store is like one of the ones that's closing.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Where are people going to get their amphetamines? Right, but you know why they're going out of business? Because they got looted. Everything's locked up. I see what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense that they're going out of business so they locked up everything. No.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
No, they locked up everything because people were stealing like crazy because they passed a fucking law where anything under $900 or whatever it was, they weren't allowed to arrest you. So people just run in and throw deodorant and fucking hairspray.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Throw everything in a bag and walk right out the door and no one could do a goddamn thing about it. Video showing deserted Rite Aid's bare shelves after bankruptcy goes viral. Is this Bert? Yeah. Look at it. Bert went viral. Bert's so happy. He's never going to stop doing this now. He's going to go everywhere. I want to go to every Rite Aid there is.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
All of a sudden it's a person? Like you're storing people in like a lab somewhere? And do they have memory of being stored? Do we have long-term data about the trauma of being a frozen embryo for 10 years? Do we have any idea whether or not it has any effect on the human being? How long have they been doing this? What's the long-term data on what kind of a person comes out of fraud?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Burt Kreischer, who showcased the empty shelves, incorrectly attributed them to theft. Incorrectly. First of all, it's the reason why they're locked up. Go show the video. So is this show the video? Because you want me to send it to you? You got it. OK, because saying saying that that's that's kooky to say. That's really kooky to say falsely attributing them to theft.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, this is incorrect. This is classic. So I thought these were locks, locked boxes. Okay. Where's wrong? But he's not wrong because the reason why they go out of business is because they've been looted. So, like, they've abandoned several major cities, right? They've moved out, like, a lot of businesses have moved out of San Francisco, a lot of businesses have moved out of L.A.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
for a very specific reason. Because of these looting. Yeah. Like, this is real. Like, what companies have pulled stores because of the after effect of looting? Let's find out. I know they have in Oakland. I think they have in San Francisco. Let's Google drugstores. What drugstores have pulled out of San Francisco? I think it's Walgreens. So what's the difference between Walmart and Walgreens?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Walmart is the big place. But they have drugs there, too, right?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
They said it would close around 900 stores during the next three years. 9% of them... Or wait. It then closed six in San Francisco, including five throughout downtown and one on Van Ness Avenue.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah. Drugstores. Drugstores used to be like the most profitable fucking business you could own. Yeah. And now they're like, we're just getting robbed. Yeah, well, I mean... So Bird's kind of right. He's not right why those shelves are empty at that moment because they're going out of business. But that's why they're going out of business. Well, those would be locked up. Old Navy to Nordstrom.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You can steal it. It's almost like they want society to collapse. Like allowing stuff like that and not making corrective measures to make these retailers feel comfortable so they stay in your community without doing anything to save them and letting them pull out and not making any corrective measures is so nuts.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Right, but this is a new thing is what I'm saying. Yeah, relatively. This didn't exist in the year 2000. You never saw this. So in the last 24 years, all of a sudden it's become a thing that people are looting stores on a regular basis to the point where they have to move out of cities because there's no correction in the way they enforce the laws.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It could get sideways enough where a Republican, a Rudy Giuliani type character can get in there. That depends on how much they have the system rigged. But I think there's a real possibility that someone could reach or some conservative Democrat, you know, some law and order Democrat.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, you can have one of those. But people are just going to have to get fed up. And the problem is if they don't get fed up and they keep voting for the same thing like they seem to do in California and a lot of other places, they're never going to change. It's just going to keep getting worse. And I don't understand that.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's like how much do you love your ideology when you don't realize that they're fucking your life up?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Yeah, I do. I have faith in people. I really do. I think we come really close to fucking up a lot and we pull ourselves out of the ashes. And I think there's been – if you just follow the course of our society over the last hundred years, there's been a lot of ups and downs. There was prohibition. There was World War I, World War II, Vietnam.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
There's a lot of things where it looked like society was over. Kent State, oh, my God, what's going on? Martin Luther King gets shot. JFK gets shot. There was a lot of terrible moments. And then things got better. And then things – it's always – if you look on a chart, there's always – Generally speaking, over time, there's less crime, less problems. The economy does a little bit better.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Cost of living changes. The way you live your life improves overall, generally. I think if you look at like a thousand years to today, it's obvious. There's a clear path. It's just like got to make sure that whatever dip we're in right now, we correct. Yeah. I mean, I have all the things that we're doing wrong.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Do you really think they've studied it? Looked at the personalities of the people? Whether or not they have weird dreams about being stuck in a freezer?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It doesn't mean you can't do all the good things that like progressive people want to do. in terms of funding education and helping people get over drug addiction and homelessness. All those things should be funded. It's a good idea to have more healthy, happy people in our society. But also, you can't rob the store. You can't.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But also, you shouldn't just be able to sneak in across the border because terrorists are a real thing.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Except really super progressive DAs who think that the criminal justice system is inherently racist.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It just means it's safe and healthy. It's simple, real food from people who care about what goes into your dog's body. The Farmer's Dog makes it easy to help your dog live a long, healthy life by sending you fresh food that's pre-portioned just for your dog's needs. Because every dog is different, and I'm not just talking about breeds.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Right. The thing about drugs is already illegal. So if drugs were legal, all the negative aspects of drugs other than addiction and overdose are already illegal. People that do meth and break into a house because they need money for more meth. That's already illegal.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
And the problem with drugs being illegal is the same problem they had with prohibition during the 1930s in this country. What year was it when alcohol...
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It was like seven or eight years, right, where alcohol was illegal?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But what year did it end? It ended a couple of years before they made marijuana illegal, which is hilarious because it's a complete shift. They literally took the people that were chasing alcohol, they chased them after marijuana. 1920 to 30. 1920, so 13 years. Yeah, that's nuts. 13 years. But people were still boozing. Of course. They're just dying.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But it also, my point was that it pumped up organized crime. Yeah, of course. And that's where Al Capone got rich and all these people got rich. They're bootleggers, moonshiners. That's where NASCAR comes from.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
But a lot of the places, look, it didn't work in Portland when they decriminalized, because Portland was already in a fucked up shit hole.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
Portland needed rule. They needed Jesus. So Jesus should have come to Portland and sorted that place out. But instead, they got, like, just do whatever you want, man. And then, of course, they're already addicted to drugs, so they're just going to do more drugs. But if you look at what they did with Portugal, that had a profound effect.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
There's countries that have decriminalized drugs, and it's been very beneficial, but You're always still buying them from criminals because even when it's decriminalized, it's not legal to sell them and profit from them. But it is legal to sell Adderall. It's like we're in a screwball, fucked up world where we have things that we've accepted as being okay just because they're grandfathered in.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
So you're saying that all the babies that are sociopaths come from sex?
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's so fucked up. And then other things like weed, which is the best example, but other things like for veterans, like psychedelics.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's all dumb, and it doesn't make any sense if you don't want to prop up the organized crime. Because there's a reason why the cartel's worth billions and billions and billions of dollars. It's because of us, because we have drugs that are illegal, and they bring the drugs over and sell it to us, and that's how they make money.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
And if you don't want to fix that, just say it. Just say it. Because if you want to fix it, there's only one way to do it. And the one way to do it is to regulate it in-house. Like make it in America, regulate it in America, and then use a responsible portion of that for treatment, a lot of that treatment, which should include psychedelics.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
So if you want to make things legal and then set up Ibogaine clinics everywhere. Absolutely. I bet you would get a lot of clean people that would ordinarily have a problem. But I bet Kat would still be taking nicotine and doing speed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
There's a lot of people that have had profound release and relief. just something that allows them to move on past the death of a loved one. There's certain people that get devastated by things, and psychedelics have helped them in tremendous ways. And they just denied, the FDA just denied, you know, MAPS has run this long-term study on MDMA.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
And, you know, now they have to go through more studies. And it's very unfortunate because people have benefited tremendously from that kind of therapy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
Well, there's not just that. There's so limited resources in terms of how to deal with your mental health problem. If you're not allowing people to use psychedelics and you're deciding and most of the people that are deciding are also people that haven't experienced psychedelics.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
If you really wanted to help the troops, you would give them access to that stuff because there's been a lot of people that have had tremendous results. So I'm saying it's going to work for everybody. It's not a cure all. It's not a panacea, but it's a tool. It's a tool in the toolbox. And we need a lot of tools. There's a lot of people out there that are hurting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
You know, so-and-so's kids here. Do your best. I don't think you really have to worry about that. The reason why I brought that up is because Ted Kaczynski, when he was young, there was something wrong with him, some sort of medical condition. And they brought him to some hospital where he received no touch, no physical touch for like a long period of time, like months and months.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's crazy that we still have to argue about this in 2024. I know. With all the information that we have now on the Internet and all the people that have had to go to Costa Rica and have these retreats and come back and be cured of opiate addiction and all these problems that they've had. And we're still like, eh, more tests. Yeah. More tests. But here's some fentanyl. More tests.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
But here, take your oxys. Yeah. More tests. But you need speed. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
I'm a big believer in a person, a human being should not be able to tell another human being what they can and cannot do with their life and their body if it doesn't hurt anybody else.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
In my mind, psychedelics fall into that area. And if there's no benefit, no objective benefit, then why are all these people enthusiasts? Why are all these people doing it? Why are all these people talking about profound experiences and how much it's benefited them? And the people that are saying that you can't do it, have you done it? Do you know what the fuck you're talking about?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
And if you don't, probably you shouldn't be the one deciding on this. Yeah. Absolutely. You should let people decide. The more freedom you have, the better it is for everybody. But, you know, they're worried about the whole system getting like 1960 again. You know, like tune in, turn on, drop out, all that crazy shit that was going on when people became flower children.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
Is homelessness better? If you had 100,000 hippies in LA just like selling flowers in the street, would that be worse?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
And if it was legal, you'd be able to find out who can and cannot take it. Yes. Because there's some people, they got a screw loose and something goes, and they eat mushrooms and all of a sudden they think they can fly. People get a little nutty and certain people don't come back, especially acid. I've heard some acid stories where people didn't come back. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
But you don't know until you run studies, when things are legal and you allow people to run these studies and you come up with effective dosages, you find out what people are allergic to, what's this chemical reaction that people have, maybe certain medications that you shouldn't cross with it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
To an adult. And the person who's telling you is uninformed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
And there's no real rational... If you could just have a conversation with a person, not like a debate, not in front of Congress, like this. Just you and me for hours. Let's just sit down for hours and you tell me why you think that psychedelics should be... prohibited for all adults. You tell me why. And I'm going to tell you why I think they should.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
Then I'm going to ask you some questions about what you think they do. And then you would get a sense over the course of a couple of hours to talk to this person. This person has no fucking business telling people what they can and can't take. They're just bureaucrats.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
And his brother who turned him in, his brother who read the Unabomber's manifesto and realized, like, I know how this guy's talking. My brother's a genius and a real psycho. And this is my brother. And so he turned him in and that's how they caught the Unabomber.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
They're just bureaucrats and they know that there's a certain amount of people that are going to – it's going to benefit them to vote in a certain way and state a certain opinion. And there's a certain amount of vested interests, a certain amount of special interest groups that would like them to continue to vote in a very specific way. And that's their God. That's who they go with.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
Right. And those people never want to be president. Isn't it ironic? You'd want the president to do something, at least some sort of a psychedelic experience one time to just connect with God real quick, come back and go, okay, I think we can do better.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
It probably would. But you'd probably get less politicians. They'd probably just quit. They'd be like, I don't want to do this job. Yeah. You know, I mean, to be able to person who could just gaslight 250 million people on a regular basis, like you have to be out of your mind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
Like you have to be really a crazy person to stand in front of people and lie about the economy and lie about job numbers and lie about this and lie about that. Like that's the most unpsychedelic perspective ever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
What's the most unpsychedelic job? I would say White House press secretary. Yeah. You're a professional bullshit artist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
You're just soothing everything over and making everything seem normal and making it seem like they've done an amazing job and everything's under control.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
But he attributes one of the things that's wrong with his brother with the time where he was a baby where he received no touch and no love. And that it just fucked with his head. And I wonder... Those little embryos just sit in a freezer somewhere. I don't think so.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
Regular life is too fucked for them. There's people that regular reality is too slippery. They shouldn't be doing anything. Those people need some other kind of help. And I don't know what that help is. I'm not a psychiatrist. But I do know that for a lot of people, they're beneficial. I know a lot of people shouldn't drink. But alcohol is legal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
And, you know, and all these things are things that we need to learn. And the only way we learn them is if we have access to them. Yeah, we know what the real benefits actually are and what the real risks actually are. We know what the real risks of Jack Daniels are. It's like there's a long history of people drinking themselves to death to death. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
Just getting beat up in the street because you're a fucking drunk and you mouth off to somebody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
Now you're in the hospital with a broken skull. Like, there's so many detrimental side effects to alcohol, but yet no one is saying we should make alcohol illegal. No. Could you imagine if that was their next pitch? Yeah. Prohibition, we need to bring it back. What the fuck? What the fuck are you talking about? But if they say it with weed, everybody's like... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
That's the way safer drug. Yeah. It's way safer. Yeah. Way safer. It makes everybody a lot more peaceful. It's way less violent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
And everybody's like, fuck yeah. Yeah. The next day you're like, oh, the sun is killing my fucking head.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
It's nuts. It doesn't make any sense. It's also been here before people. Yeah. Like, what are we doing? Making nature illegal. It's so stupid. Yeah. The whole thing is stupid. It's just and it's stupid. And the fact that we still allow it is so crazy. And no one's it would have it sounds trivial to people that don't do it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
But if you allowed people control of their consciousness and to have these kind of experiences, you'd have a lot more people that are thinking about things in a lot more considerate and careful way. And that's what I think the benefit of it is. Yeah. Even if it's not – maybe you're really not contacting God or aliens, whatever it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
Religion thinks that the soul enters the body on the 48th day, right? Is that what it is?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
But just the benefits of having it – but I think there's a lot of things that can make people more kind and considerate. Like, in a very counterintuitive way, I think martial arts do. Jiu-jitsu especially. They're the nicest people I've ever met. Like, my friends from jiu-jitsu are the nicest fucking people. Because every day they're trying to kill each other.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2200 - Kat Timpf
And they don't have any of that in regular life. There's no chest puffing. There's no douchebaggery. Like, people that are, like...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
By George, look what I have here. Oh, my. I made a sizable donation to the museum, and they gifted me with this wonderful saber-toothed tiger skull.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Think, wolves are amazing. They're so beautiful. Why'd they go extinct?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2080 - John Reeves
Why are we worrying about a dollar? I'm not sure where you're going with this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2266 - Brian Simpson
Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. I didn't know when to quit, huh?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2266 - Brian Simpson
What is this fucking Thai business? Oh, come on, forget about my Thai business.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2266 - Brian Simpson
His father's a werewolf. Yeah, skip ahead a little bit. You moron. Tonight I will kill you.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
But you have to include the fact, as you mentioned, that you're also undergoing a process of transformation of self in medias res.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
So what's happening here, performatively, we're engaging in the process that currently we're talking about.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Let me check if I disagree. I may. I don't think I do, but I want to check, which is I'm grounding the notion of conscience at a level that is quite below semantics. Sure. It's like the moment when you are playing music and you feel the sour note come, that feeling that you have of a direction towards wrongness is conscience.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Sorry. I think we can ground it concretely and make it really simple. Just think about an infant that's learning how to pick up a pee.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
There's a whole complex of feedback loops that are going on, orienting towards particular, in this case, goal, with the ability to be able to discern what random articulation of neuromuscular activity, coordinating hand, brain, eye, towards an increasing capacity to actually engage in depth perception, everything else, produces the desired effect.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
That extremely complex, subtle, and continuous field of feedback loops and constraints that produces the capacity to move through reality to achieve a goal, that's normative. governed by the law of continuity or the infinitesimal, like all the way continuous, like a continuous wave.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Ethics is what happens when you endeavor to actually rearticulate that governed by the law of, let's say, the digital. I can rearticulate semantically ethics. I can take your norms. Your norms have a field effect of continuity. There's something about them which has a, how do you say it right? They're irreducible. You cannot actually break them apart.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
They're always available to respond to the reality that you're in because they are developed in complex relationship with reality. Ethics takes a snapshot, just like when I'm digitizing a wave and sound, it takes a snapshot of it. It reproduces that in a semantic form that allows us to actually do things like look at it, what we're doing right now.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Yes, that's right.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Yes, and this also to your notion of the prophet and the political. At the political, we are now an aggregate of things that are not actually part of an integrated whole and therefore are governed by consensus, which is what happens when you try to simulate a whole in an aggregate.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
In the category of actually being in communion, governed by the prophet, we are in fact a well-integrated whole and therefore no longer governed by an aggregate or by politics.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Something that might be interesting to add is just to think about the next step vis-a-vis Moses. Because remember, Moses was brought up in and trained in the most executive way. situation humanity has ever produced. Pharaonic Egypt is an executive, and I mean this in terms of commander-in-chief, executive.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
And so one might imagine that when he finally exits... He was a slave at the same time because he was Hebrew. So he has a full understanding of that entire hierarchy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got the whole hierarchy, yeah. That he would naturally default back to an executive form of leadership. when he moves into being responsible for governing according to these rules, right?
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
He would move the rules into a legislative function. He would adopt the executive function, but he doesn't do that. He adopts the judge function, right? And the judge operates by means of norms first, laws second, even the common law. Like think about how the common law works, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. What would a reasonable man do?
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
This is a question that is actually hitting you, the whole system.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
I think it's useful to notice, again, and I guess I'm playing the role of self-referentiality, that while it may appear that I'm not talking, we don't actually really understand reality very well. and I feel like I'm quite present to what's happening. So it may very well be the case that I am participating meaningfully, even though you can't hear the sounds come out of my mouth.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Okay. So I would say this is going to be a little bit odd, but in point of fact, it actually is the inverse.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
okay so i was always very curious about both the nature of reality and what is right right so both the sort of metaphysics and ethics always as far as i can recall um somewhere around the um probably late elementary school i began to notice that the world that we live in or at least the world that i had been thrown into was suffering significantly from making any sense whatsoever
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
It was sort of haphazardly thrown together in a fashion that tended to produce more negative than positive. Think about just what happens when you go to school.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
About fourth grade. Oh yeah, okay. And then similarly, the same noticing, for example, like, oh wait, I'm sitting in front of a television in the context of my home, which is lying to me continuously with a highly effective capacity to manipulate. And yet that seems to be something that the people who are around me seem to be perfectly okay with. Hmm, that's interesting.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
So a sense of there's something way off, it's way off, and curiosity about, okay, well, what would right look like and how might we accomplish that? So you can see how those two things link together.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Because that's pretty early. Another one was, you know, we live in a neighborhood. Behind the neighborhood is a large forest, sort of a virgin forest. I don't know how virgin it was. And so we play it, the kids play back there and we build structures and tree houses and everything like that. And then one day it's just been clear cut to build out more of the neighborhood.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
And the building out of the neighborhood is supremely ugly, like suburban ugliness. And so again, an aesthetic sense of, Again, there's something deeply wrong about that. It went from being a beautiful place of play that had an aliveness to it and had a feeling of connectedness to what I would now call, say, the sacred. And it was perfectly profaned. It wasn't just clear cut, it was clear cut.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
And then they built ugly buildings in that place. Again, these are all happening roughly at the same time. And so the journey that I went on then was a journey that was always entangling how can I have agency in the world to make the world less off, less wrong, think normative, and what does right leaving look like? Because I don't have a context that gives me any good answers to that question.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Every time I go out in the world and try to query it, the signals I get back from the world tend to be nonsense or wrong, right? You look at TV, the president's lying.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
That does in fact have an inevitable collapse, a downward spiral into chaos.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
proposition okay so back i would call it pseudo metanoia right there like if you imagine you're going the wrong direction and metanoia is to turn you into the right direction pseudo metanoia at least turns you perpendicular to going in the wrong direction yeah yeah yeah kind of like dead reckoning
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Yeah, and the trouble, of course, is if you get stuck in pseudometanoia, you don't get pointed in the right direction. You're now in a therapeutic loop where you're constantly drifting back here, unless you happen to be in a very healthy context, which will begin to drift you in this direction.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Because that's a manifestation of a deeper... He would actually have to find a way to embed himself in a world that was in continuous contact with that sort of respite to expand that territory to include the whole of his life and the whole of all that he loved. Yes, yes. Yeah, that's probably what the Protestants are like... And that was my pivot in sixth grade.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
So in sixth grade is when I had that thought of, you can't solve the problem by controlling a particular sphere. in which you can find something like solace or joy because you have to create an entire world that has that continuity for everything that you love. And so that was the dual vector for me.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
And so then, you know, part of the process was, okay, agency, and this leads to starting businesses. And by the way, specifically the businesses that gave rise to this kind of thing, like digital media, digital video on the internet, making the internet available to be able to do this, you know, create like your podcast. And yours as well. For reasons, right?
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
There's obvious reasons why that's a good thing to do. And then in the meantime, like here's a scene where in 2005, my third company has gotten to the point where it's quite successful and worth a lot of money. I'm in the office at the Google headquarters where I'm going to be meeting with Sergey Brin. They're talking to me about buying the company.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
It's called DivX, D-I-V-X. And in the lobby, I'm reading Gilles Deleuze's A Thousand Plateaus. So in the moment where I'm about to actually have a serious business meeting about my company being acquired by what at the time was by steps the ascendant giant of the space, my curiosity is still pointing to, okay, what's going on here in the world of post-structuralism?
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
So these things, they're very tightly wound for me continuously. So that was the answer to that question.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Think, by the way, the implications, that notion of it being incoherent. It does not cohere with you.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
You invited me.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Yes.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
So there was two other people who were connected to that invitation that oriented me towards thinking that it was a very good idea.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
We can keep going, but step by step.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Because the previous was the thing that you really focus on, and that's the thing he really focuses on. If we can find the place where there's meat, we've done something really interesting. Yeah, yeah.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
The wages of sin or death. That's what you just said. The wages of sin or death.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
One of the things that I've noticed as I've accepted invitations over the past, gosh, 10 years, is that oftentimes I don't discover that the conversation was worthwhile until well after the conversation occurred. And so there's something like, there's a split between let's say the epistemological sensibility of what would it mean for me to know that the conversation was worthwhile.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
I agree.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
And let's say for the moment, the ontological sense of what would it mean for the conversation to have been worthwhile, regardless of whether I knew that. And there's something like a commitment to a perception or a feeling that a particular choice is worthy.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Notice how it's governed initially primarily by the sin of omission. Like nobody actually listening to anybody else. Like nobody actually stepping back, taking the stance of humility, which allows them to say, wait, maybe I'm making a mistake. Maybe I'm reading you wrong.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
So this is part of what builds up the entropy is the hardening of the dialogic space around something which isn't able to actually step into an appropriate level of humility to allow the insight to land.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
And all over the place in our world right now.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
And then what it means to commit on the basis of that feeling is to simply engage in the moment that's occurring. Regardless of having to constantly try to decide whether or not what's happening is worth being part of, as you might imagine.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Yeah.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
As an example, there were two that I remember quite clearly. One was a McDonald's Happy Meal. which was in fact not at all happy when you actually got it. And then the other one was the president, Richard Nixon, explicitly saying something on the television and then having my grandfather over here letting everybody in the family know that that was a lie.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
So there's the two events that I remember going, huh, so I live in a culture where this kind of thing happens. I didn't think it that way, but I remember the feeling landing very heavily on me. Huh, that means I can't actually, this is like the child who has an alcoholic parent who begins to have to take responsibility for parenting because they notice. So our culture is an alcoholic parent.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
It's actually a really good metaphor. Oh, that's brilliant, George. Yeah, it's a really good metaphor. And so that feeling of, oh, I need to start taking responsibility for navigating this world.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
I wasn't alienated from God. I was alienated from our culture. Those aren't the same. important point of my conscience.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Yeah.
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Well, I think the answer to why I didn't despair was that so much of my life was still very much connected with just base reality as a kid, living in a physical environment, maneuvering around. And so something like 95% of my life was it's possible to navigate reality in a fashion which works. And were you doing that successfully?
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532. A Dialogue So Dangerous, It Just Might Bring You Wisdom | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall
Along what dimensions? You had friends. I had friends, yes. I was not hungry often. I could explore. I could adopt challenges like catching the frog and accomplish catching the frog and noticing that it was delightful. I could go crawl in the creek.
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Pretty healthy, I'd say, I think so.
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Exactly, so if you do it from the center out, the center out was pretty solid. My own sort of physical body, my ability to maneuver in space, my ability to connect things, my relationship with my parents and my close family, my relationship with friends, my relationships with nature were all pretty solid. So when I come against this error at the level of culture, that's the anomaly.
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I don't have to worry about the center. The center is pretty solid.
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Well, anomaly in the sense that for the most part, again, everything is actually functioning reasonably well. You know, this notion that we talked about at the very beginning of being able to have values aligned with purposes and being able to make choices that land with a sense of, yep, this is landing. And I mean, in a physical sense.
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So when the anomalies, anomaly in this case would be an experience that throws an error in that category of huh. I have set now a new purpose. My new purpose is to cajole my parents into taking me to McDonald's to get a Happy Meal. I have noticed that in the act of doing that, I'm creating dissonance with my own relationship with my parents who are not happy about this thing.
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I get the Happy Meal, the experience sucked, and I made my family mad. Anomaly, purpose of value alignment. Right, against the center.
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Let's just bring in to the image of the golden calf. Because I think the key insight is to recognize that any time a group of people move themselves into this way of being in relationship with each other and with the world, that is, the word I used was aggregate.
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I think we've used different words to describe it, meaning they're not in communion as a well-integrated whole, but are in fact parts endeavoring to pull themselves together by means of something like consensus. There's a lot of other things to bring in together, but that's the a way we've talked about it, that does in fact have an inevitable collapse and a downward spiral into chaos, right?
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That was the argument that you made earlier or that you brought forward earlier. And from my point of view, as well as I understand it, that is the case.
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Yes, that's correct.
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And so, can we go here? I'm going to take it up like one level. that may be more than we can handle right now in this, like where we are. But the basic idea is that the ability to actually form well-integrated holes that include a diversity of people outside of a small group of people who are genetically related has not actually been a solved problem. So we've actually had three cuts of this.
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One is the indigenous mode, which is small groups of people who are genetically related, live within a culture that has been the same culture for everybody for a very large number of generations. And by the way, if you investigate the indigenous modes, they have incredibly powerful psychotechnologies for inhibiting things like self-deception or tyrannical norms, right?
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So it's a whole integrated complex that forms a relatively stable over long periods of time. Long periods of time. Aborigines. 25,000 years. Right, long periods of time. but has the inability to grow beyond a certain number of people. Oh, 200. 1,500 if you think about the way they create metagroups.
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And has the inability to actually integrate people who have any real diversity of intrinsics, either different languages or different genetics or different actually just ways of being raised. You have a small amount, but not big.
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The problem with that is that if you flip over here and you discover there's a new toolkit that has the ability to have a cosmopolitan expansive polity, they can in fact grow a large number of people and can absorb a wide diversity of people. This produces a certain generative capacity along the dimension of power. Because it has that capacity. It deteriorates in that direction.
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Well, it has it both as a positive. It can produce, say, for example, innovation. It can produce a way of orienting towards the productive environment to produce more food, for example. It can solve more problems strategically. That's the better way of putting it.
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Yeah, it can solve more problems strategically. And it can deploy more focused power on a particular problem domain. So by the way, it goes very high at the level of purpose, but it's not able to actually go as high at the level of values because the values have a very hard time being integrated. Right, sure.
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A coherent, well-integrated top to bottom where a conscience is non-tyrannical, which is why it has to develop tyrannical conscience, i.e. the pharaoh, to be able to establish something like order in that context. You think that's a necessary first step? Probably about a third step, I'm guessing.
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You look at like, so you move from Moses to Saul and then ultimately across, you kind of see it happening over time. Like there's a period of time where it can be held together by something like a shared esprit or a felt sense of a deep moment of being together. Like think about the Romans on the hills,
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with the Celts coming to destroy them, and they manage to come together, and they produce something, and the Republic is actually able to achieve a certain level of being a Republic for a while, but it goes through a degenerative cycle.
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But it still has to ultimately, the only toolkit it can go to is something like a golden calf, something like a way to hold an aggregate together, because it has still become an aggregate, because we have not yet figured out how to turn these kinds of large cosmopolitan at-scale groups of people into a well-integrated whole.
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Bread circuses in empire. The empire is. Think about how the empire works.
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I conquer my neighbor, so I'm able to actually bring booty back to my people, so they have a sequential satisfaction of lower self-demands, which keeps them relatively stable for some amount of time, but not for a very long time, because it is structurally, fundamentally unstable, as you said, so it will undergo collapse, which is where we are.
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Yep. I think that was very powerful and very important. So in case other people besides us are participating in this conversation, put a bookmark on that.
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So you would have something like, it's funny, part of me wants to go and make it an analytic, like to articulate it in an analytic fashion. You go there for a while. I think this is actually wrong. Like it's the wrong fundamental approach, but let me just take that approach for a little bit just to give some room.
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Because you can imagine if you have a hierarchy of values, then you have a, and we have a finite amount of time and energy, So we always have to be able to coordinate our allocation of finite time and energy. For the moment, let's say our purposes and the things that we can actually consider to be strategic or have plans. We make plans. I'm just finding that as a purpose.
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So while it is the case that there is something happening at the level of the horizontal, you have more goods, you have more ideas. By the way, we could just take note of the strength of a protocol or a ritual over time and across contexts. lets us know something about how important it is. So if we think about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, how critical the hospitality protocol was.
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And then we have our values. And we want to be able to coordinate our purposes and our values so that the most valuable things are the ones to which we attend with the most quality and amount of time. And so to the degree to which we realize the most valuable things on the basis of the amount of time that we're choosing to make, then we are effectively aligning our purposes with our values.
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Lot is willing to go to great lengths not to violate the protocol of hospitality. That tells us to pay a lot of attention. The ultimate length. That's right, the ultimate length.
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The vertical dimension, the fact that we are now able to enter into a state of communion by means of properly exercising this ritual, this protocol of engagement, to form a new identity that has completely new capacities and competencies that are an expansion in the vertical dimension as well as in the horizontal dimension. And that's the key unlock that enables everything to come together.
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Or even not, because for Abraham, they weren't humans, right? They're angels.
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Something like that.
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You do proper hospitality as an ascendant coming.
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So that's the answer.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Annie Minoff. It's Wednesday, May 28th. Coming up on the show, loan payments are back. Are borrowers ready?
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
It's a hard number to conceptualize, right? But the way I think about it is that if you don't have student loans yourself, then you probably know somebody who has student loans.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
About 5 million federal student loan borrowers are considered to be in default, meaning they haven't made payments in over 270 days. And earlier this month, the Department of Education put those borrowers on notice. If they didn't start paying, their debt could be sent into collections. If borrowers do go into collections, what could that look like?
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
If they do fall into collections, then that means that they could get their wages garnished, which means, you know, money coming right out of your paycheck. Their tax refunds may be withheld. And other federal benefits like Social Security could also be diminished or taken away.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Defaulted borrowers could have their tax benefits withheld starting next month, and they could see up to 15% deducted from their paychecks later this summer. Secretary of Education Linda McMahon said that the department is making these moves to protect taxpayers, adding that they shouldn't have to serve as collateral for, quote, irresponsible student loan policies.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
The government has been trying to help Americans pay for higher education for decades. The federal student loan program that we're familiar with today dates back to 1965. And what was the theory behind that?
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Our colleague Oyen Ededoyen covers personal finance. And for the past five years, she says paying those federal student loans felt more or less optional.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Like, why underwrite people's education in that way? So higher education was seen as a means to propel people into different socioeconomic statuses to kind of change the course of their lives.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
And so the idea, at least politically and socially at the time, was that if I go to college, then I might get a better job than my parents had or be able to propel myself into a higher tax bracket later in life. The whole general opinion was that college is a public good and therefore the government should subsidize that in some way.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
And that's how Kristen Pickett thought about her student loans. So my loans began with my undergraduate degree.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Kristen graduated from college in 2005. She works part time as an adjunct professor and program director, and until recently worked at a nonprofit. She was the first in her family to go to college. And while she got some financial aid, it wasn't enough.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Kristen graduated with her bachelor's and then went on to get her master's degree. She even went for a second master's that she didn't finish. She thought the additional schooling would help propel her into a higher-paying job.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
The Biden administration will extend the pandemic-era freeze on those loan payments through August.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Instead, she found herself paying down about $170,000 of student debt. When you kind of zoom back and think about this debt that you've carried over the years, how do you think it's impacted your decisions and just the way you've lived your life?
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
When Kristen and her partner bought their house, they decided it would be better if Kristen wasn't on their mortgage application because of the amount of debt she carried. I'm not on our house because my student loans would actually impact our payment. And then in 2020, Kristen and other borrowers like her got an unexpected break.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
We're coming off of the piggyback of the pandemic, right? And that was a period where student loans virtually didn't exist. There were a lot of starts and stops when it came to student loan payments. You know, a lot of people were put in forbearance. A lot of people were put on pause. And so it seemed like we were in this very different, almost Twilight Zone effect when it came to the world.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
The pandemic hit, and the Trump administration announced a pause on federal student loan payments.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
How old were you when you were feeling like, yes, I've got this, I'm an adult? I was like 35, 36, something like that.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
And for some borrowers, it seemed like that great feeling could become the new normal.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
The Biden administration was pushing for debt forgiveness. But in 2023, that plan was blocked by the Supreme Court. Other efforts to lighten the burden of federal student loans also hit legal snags. And so later that year, Biden's Department of Education announced that borrowers would need to start repaying. But it gave them a year to ease back into it.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Millions of Americans borrowed money from the federal government to go to college. Almost 43 million of them are still paying that money back.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
The Biden administration decided to give borrowers another year, known as the on-ramp period, where they could make payments if they wanted to or if they were able to, but any delinquencies or late payments were not being reported to credit bureaus. So it was kind of like soft launching student loan payments again.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
But now, that grace period is over. How that's hitting borrowers is next. Student loan repayments officially restarted back in 2023. The problem was that many borrowers didn't know about it.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
People had gotten used to not paying for at least three years by that point. And a lot of people maybe tuned out. A lot of people moved. And so they weren't even getting these notifications from their loan servicers, which are companies that collect student loans on behalf of the government. You know, they weren't getting maybe updated emails that, hey, it's an on-ramp period.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
You might want to start paying your loans again. They weren't getting phone calls. They weren't getting letters to the right address. And so... This on-ramp period, though set out with good intentions, caused a lot of confusion for borrowers who weren't really sure what was happening with student loans. Were they on again? Were they off again?
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Contributing to that confusion was the fact that borrowers who didn't start repaying didn't face any consequences. Remember, during that on-ramp period, missed payments weren't reported to credit bureaus. But late last year, that changed.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
My credit score failed 250 points, y'all, two weeks ago because of my student loans. Guess who just got done crying because her credit score went from a six to a four. Me.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Like a state of suspension. Yes, exactly. We were all kind of like, you know, fumbling about in outer space, not sure what the rules were. And now it seems like we're back on Earth. We're back in reality.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
The interesting thing about student loans is that unique to other credit or borrowing products, student loans don't get reported to credit bureaus until they are 90 days late or more. So if you've missed one month or two months, you might not even know that until you've missed three months of payments. And at that point, it can really start to impact your
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
your credit score, and other factors of your financial health. So a lot of these people realized that they were more than 90 days delinquent on their student loans in like February or March of this year.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
And this month, some defaulted borrowers could see even more serious consequences. Their loans could go into collections. Kristen isn't in default. Her loans are currently in forbearance. But she is worried. If you did have to start repaying your loans at this point, what would that mean for you?
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
To make room in her budget for loan repayments, Kristen would need to pull back her spending. And with millions of borrowers potentially doing the same thing, economists are worried that all that belt tightening might start to impact the economy.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Economists at Morgan Stanley recently estimated that between $1 and $3 billion in borrowers' monthly spending could soon be redirected to student loan payments. That could be enough to impact the GDP.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
a lot of the people who were experiencing the payment pause of the pandemic, they were going out in the economy and spending money. They were maybe buying houses or getting cars or going on a vacation, feeling a sense of freedom with their money that they hadn't felt in years.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
That's because last month, the Department of Education made an announcement.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
And I've already seen it with borrowers that I've talked to who have experienced the consequence of having their credit score drop. That is a really big deal for someone who maybe just got a home or was about to qualify for a home. People are graduating. Yeah.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Like maybe right now as we're having this conversation.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
And they're graduating with student loan debt. Do you have any advice for them? Yes. People who are graduating right now or have recently graduated have the most amount of options, right? They can stay informed and see in real time what the policy changes are. So, you know, figuring out who your student loan servicer is and how many payments you've made or what your payment amount is.
The Journal.
For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
Federal student loans are officially being referred to collections again. Millions of people now have to come up with the money or lose more of it.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
It's kind of the same thing that a lot of financial advisors say when it comes to financial health. It's about like checking these things every day, like check your bank account every day, check your credit card statement and your credit score regularly. Make sure that you know exactly what's happening and where all of your money is going. Don't ignore it. Yes, exactly.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
That's all for today, Wednesday, May 28th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting in this episode by Justin Layhart. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.
The Journal.
For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
This is part of a broader effort to roll back loan forgiveness policies. After years of leniency, the government is taking a different approach.
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For Millions of Student-Loan Borrowers It's Time to Pay
So if you were to sum up the government's message right now to borrowers, that message is? It's pay up or reap the consequences.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
That's all for today. Tuesday, December 17th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting in this episode by Ryan Felton, Megan Bobrowski, and Mike Calais. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
— But last week, GM said that after investing $10 billion over the last decade, it's killing its robotaxi program.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
The whole question for GM is what is the future? Where is the growth? Cruise was a big part of the moonshot future growth story for General Motors. And now they're admitting that those aspirations of this legacy car company owning a big robo-taxi business that's ferrying everyone around are not going to come true.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Yeah, it's been a big aspiration and it has huge implications for the traditional auto industry.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Ryan Knudson. It's Tuesday, December 17th. coming up on the show, why GM is slamming the brakes on Cruise.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
In 2016, General Motors Company, known for its SUVs and pickup trucks, paid a billion dollars to acquire something totally different, the autonomous vehicle startup Cruise. It was founded in 2013 and based in San Francisco. Why would a company like GM be interested in a self-driving, robo-taxi car company like Cruise?
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
If you see the future of your industry looking vastly different than it looks today, if people no longer need to personally own vehicles because they can hail a robot that will take them anywhere that they need to go, that certainly looks like an existential threat for a car company. So in some sense, Cruz was a hedge for GM against the future.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Our colleague Chris Otts covers the auto industry. And he says that maybe someday, if this technology gets good enough, people won't even need to own cars anymore.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
If that's really where the world is going, GM probably felt that they were better to be taking part in that rather than displaced by it. Remember that General Motors had to be bailed out by the taxpayers in the Great Recession. So they went bankrupt, a century-old company, this big turning point. They were headed in a new direction under Mary Barra, who became CEO in 2014.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
And they were getting their feet back under them and then trying to look at how do we participate in where the industry is evolving.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Self-driving cars and robo-taxis seemed like one of the answers, but creating self-driving technology is hard. So for GM, acquiring one of the top startups made a lot of sense.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
It would be extremely difficult for a company like General Motors to come up with this self-driving technology in-house. This is a wholly different business than GM is in. So it was much simpler for GM to just spend a billion dollars and acquire this technology than it would be for them to try to build it themselves.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
If you think about it, your personal vehicle is idle the vast, vast majority of the time. If you have reliable self-driving cars, that changes the entire paradigm in terms of what the auto industry is. You could have cars that are owned centrally by a fleet instead of people owning personal vehicles.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
In late 2021, GM launched a small fleet of cruise robo-taxis in San Francisco. One of the people who took a ride was GM CEO Mary Barra. Plant a little camera here. Starting your trip. Let's cruise. Oh my gosh. This is incredible. Here we go. Cruise was one of several startups working on robo-taxis at the time. The other main player was Waymo, which is owned by Google's parent company Alphabet.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Did it look at that point that like Cruise was like doing well, like it had a chance to like compete or even win against the race against Waymo?
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Cruise and Waymo were neck and neck essentially for a while in the race to really commercialize this technology. It wasn't at all clear that one company or the other company was ahead necessarily. At that time, they were both, you know, putting more cars out on the road and slowly rolling this out to customers.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Even though both companies had robo-taxis on the road, perfecting the technology for a wider rollout was still a challenge, in part because of the way its artificial intelligence worked. Sometimes, when the car found itself in an unusual situation, it didn't always do the right thing.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
It is all of the unforeseen edge cases that make self-driving such a thorny problem to solve. Can you pre-program that your self-driving vehicle may end up behind another vehicle that is transporting stoplights that have not been installed yet?
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
but are on the way to where they're going to be installed and to understand that these are not traffic lights that the vehicle needs to pay attention to, right? There's all kinds of situations where humans can reason through what is going on in front of them that are a challenge for artificial intelligence. Right.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
And one of those unusual situations that AI wasn't quite ready to solve happened last fall.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
In the transportation industry, there's a dream some people have. Robo-taxis. Self-driving cars that people can just call up and it'll take them wherever they need to go.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
In October 2023, a pedestrian was hit by a car, which was driven by an actual human driver, and was thrown into the path of a cruise vehicle.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
And at this point, the cruise vehicle did what it was programmed to do, which is slowly pull over and wait. However, it didn't recognize that the woman was pinned underneath the vehicle, and it ended up dragging this pedestrian about 20 feet. Unfortunately, the woman did survive, but this incident really ended up being a turning point for Cruz.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
At the time, a representative for Cruise said, quote, The company pointed out that the initial cause of the accident was the human in the other car, not Cruise, but said it would conduct a safety review. What happened after that accident for Cruise and GM? That's next.
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Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
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The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
So to move into a world where you have on-demand transportation that could totally upend transportation as we know it,
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
After the accident, the state of California revoked Cruise's permit to operate, which meant the company had to shut down its robo-taxi service in San Francisco.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
pumping the brakes on autonomous vehicles operated by Cruise. Effective today, California's DMV has suspended the company's deployment and testing of self-driving cars, a serious roadblock.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
So Cruise had to go on pause, go dark for several months and then had to come crawling back get permission to operate once again. And they did do that. But by this time, it was becoming clear that Cruise was a cash drain on GM at a time when they're also rethinking a number of approaches in the company and trying to be what they call more capital efficient.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Which is a way to tell investors, we're not going to spend so much money. Yeah.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
So every dollar they put into Cruise and other long-term investments is a dollar that they don't have to share with investors.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Over the last three years, GM has spent nearly $20 billion buying back its own shares as a way to boost its stock price. And the company has also been cutting costs.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
GM has clearly pivoted towards more of a short-term oriented focus on returning cash to investors. And clearly they've decided that they would rather save about a billion dollars a year, which is what they say they're going to save by folding Cruise into the larger company.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
A GM spokesman said there was no connection between the recent surge in share buybacks and its decision to stop funding Cruise's robotaxi business.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
One of the companies that's been trying to do that is called Cruise. It's owned by General Motors.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
One thing GM has emphasized is that a robo-taxi fleet is a pretty expensive proposition. You have to own the cars and they have to sit on your balance sheet. And you have to do the maintenance. Right. You have to do the, I mean, GM's in the business of making cars and then selling them.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
And so one of the things that they've been saying is, well, you know, owning a fleet of vehicles and renting them out as taxis is not our core business.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
While GM is pulling back on Cruise's Robotaxi program, Waymo, at Alphabet, is still forging ahead. Chris says that's because Alphabet has several advantages in the Robotaxi race. The first is money. While GM's market cap is just over $55 billion, Google's is almost $2.5 trillion.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
For a tech company with a very generous valuation like Alphabet has, there's a lot more room to do experimentation and aspirational projects like self-driving. And then the other aspect of this too is the artificial intelligence that powers the brains of these self-driving cars, the cloud infrastructure that is needed to develop this AI.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Cruise is an autonomous vehicle startup that General Motors bought and has invested heavily in over the last decade, billions of dollars. General Motors, you know, only a few years ago predicted that Cruise would generate $50 billion a year in revenue by the end of the decade. And GM had hoped that Cruise was a big part of its future.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
All of those are obviously where Google's core competencies are more aligned with this enterprise than General Motors. General Motors never got to the part where they really have the inherent advantage, which is building the car.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
In other words, it seems like if you're a robotaxi company, it might be better to be owned by a tech giant than a car company.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Exactly. So GM is not a tech company. GM is not in the cloud business. That was another thing that they recognized in making this decision that they don't have any special advantage when it comes to compute power and cloud infrastructure. So that sets them a little farther behind the competitors who are in this space.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Jem says that while it's stepping back from the robo-taxi business, it's still working on self-driving technology for personal cars, an area the company says is a more promising business opportunity.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
They say that everything they spent on cruise was not for naught. Like, they're still going to salvage this technology, and it's going to make their personal vehicle autonomy efforts better and faster. But, you know, it's clear that it's a far, far cry from the ambitions that they had.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
If the idea that fleets of robo-taxis are an existential threat to a car company— Where does that leave GM if they're no longer saying that they're going to be in that business?
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Most of the industry is stepping back from this. GM's ultimate competitor, Ford, crosstown rival, they got out of the autonomous driving game in 2022. They were a part of a startup called Argo AI and decided that that was beyond their desires and capabilities. Other automakers are also not pursuing the robo-taxi business,
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Some auto executives, Mary Barra included, are saying things now like, people are always going to want to have their own vehicles. They're always going to want to own, you know, even if the vehicle can drive itself, personal vehicle ownership is not going away anytime soon.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Does this story say more about GM or about how hard it is to create a fleet of autonomous robo-taxis?
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
Well, it's a harder problem than many people may have assumed several years ago. And it's definitely too soon to say that it will not happen. But certainly GM didn't see a path to commercialization in a way that made sense for them to keep investing.
The Journal.
Why GM Is Giving Up on Cruise Robotaxis
in the idea but again like fundamentally gm has for a decade been exploring different ways that it can evolve beyond being you know a pickup and suv company for the united states and this was one of the ways that they were hoping to evolve into the future and now it's off the table
The Journal.
NPR’s CEO on the Fight Over Public Media
This hearing of the Subcommittee on Delivering on Government Efficiency will come to order.
The Journal.
NPR’s CEO on the Fight Over Public Media
The Corporation for Public Broadcasting that we give over half a billion dollars to no longer serves the public.
The Journal.
China Unleashes a Trade War Arsenal
The tariff on China will now go up to 125% because China imprudently decided to retaliate against the United States.
The Journal.
How Target Got Off Target
Why is Target so expensive? They're locking up the toothpaste. I went to Target last night and I was wondering why the line was so long. Why were people so angry?
The Journal.
The Underground Battle for Colombia's Richest Gold Mine
También se los vincula con actividades como la minería ilegal, la extorsión, el tráfico de migrantes y el microtráfico.
The Journal.
The Underground Battle for Colombia's Richest Gold Mine
There's everything. There's cooking. There's everything. There's where to cook. Where to do your needs. Everything.
The Journal.
The Underground Battle for Colombia's Richest Gold Mine
It has its dangers. Ah, yes, it has its dangers.
The Journal.
The Underground Battle for Colombia's Richest Gold Mine
Ah yes, of course, the work in the future begins to be mechanized, after there is mineral, it begins to formalize and mechanize everything.
The Journal.
Why Utah Is Regulating Mom Influencers
Good morning, passengers. I wanted to share a tip with you that I have learned over the years from being... Can you introduce us to Ruby?
The Journal.
Why Utah Is Regulating Mom Influencers
With my deepest regret and sorrow for my family and my children, guilty.
The Journal.
Trump 2.0: Shaking Up Europe
This order is easy to disrupt, it's easy to destroy, but it's much harder to rebuild. So let us stick to these values, let us not reinvent them, but focus on strengthening their consistent application. Let me conclude, and this becomes difficult.
The Journal.
Trump 2.0: Shaking Up Europe
When President Trump talks about geopolitics, he often talks about it in 19th and early 20th century terms, in terms of great powers and spheres of influence. And this is most obvious in his dealings with Vladimir Putin. In light of that, and in light of his recent controversial remarks on Ukraine, my question is, does Trump think it was a mistake to push for the collapse of the Soviet Union?
The Journal.
Trump 2.0: Shaking Up Europe
And would he welcome an attempt by President Putin to reclaim it? Thank you.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
I know it's fake because you just said earlier today.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Wait, let's do the parts. Yeah, I remember that one. Okay, Martha Dump Truck in the flesh.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Look. Look at this. It didn't mean to. It's natural gas. How do you get mad with chords?
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Playing chords are pretty easy. I mean, bar chords are hard.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
You're posting everything? I mean, that's just crazy. Oh, my goodness. Let me see.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
We look like cousins. That was when we were at Pioneer Camp for a week. Yeah, we went to Pioneer Camp.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Yeah, we were living outside, building shelters and all, you know.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Yeah. You wanted her. A couple of times. You manipulated her and really wanted a love triangle, so you texted her to make a love triangle.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Y'all look like straight out of a cave. Y'all look like you're from Crew. We do.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Are you going to say what I think you're going to say?
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Okay, go for it. What did they play? Wait, yo, what did they play?
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
What does it say? Can you open it? It's downloading, Cash. Well, what do you mean it's downloading? Just open it.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
You are a younger friend. By definition, that is what you are.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Think about it this way. Okay. Pape and Chase hang out with us. I know, but they're... And they're 30 years old.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
And you're like only like four years younger than Kate.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
No, the age gap between Kate and Harper is only four years. The age gap between me and Pape is nine. And Cash was 16 hanging out with Pape. Best friends.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Yo. Anyways, well... I mean, it really scarred you, I guess. Anyways, what was that? It must have meant absolutely nothing to me.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
okay right now her number is seven three eight nine four one eight zero four one i just leaked the number online that better be fake you call that number i'm sorry thank you for calling costco call gabriella now and ask for kinsey if you're gonna use that number no it's not a real number you're gonna you're just gonna make someone mad okay here we go what do i say wait before i call what should i say
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
That's crazy. Her voice didn't sound the same, but apparently yours.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
you know what's crazy is there's a lot of videos that i hear of me and cash like sometimes we do voiceovers for like the channel and i can't tell sometimes who did the voiceover sometimes i'm like why did i i don't remember saying that i think y'all sound completely different while we're waiting did you text her while we're waiting let's do kate or cash oh you want to call one of my friends yeah all right i'll call jordy okay but what if she calls me back while you're doing it yes do we just have two going at once all right i'm gonna call kate's friend
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Hey, did you and Harper, like, go out and get Chipotle at, like, 10.30 last night? No. Well, she's telling me that y'all did.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
I've dreamed of that. Yeah, and it sounds like the whole time you're there, you're like, I just want to be able to play, and it just goes... Yeah, that's what happened to me.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
I can play anything. Sweet Child of Mine. I usually play like classic rock sound.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Yeah, Kinsey married me and didn't know I could play piano.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
If Brooke tries to cover for her, then just be like, I'm going to find out the truth.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Hey, Harper left at, like, 10 last night, and I told her, and she told me she was with you. Yeah.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Yeah, you got to be like, she told me she was with you. Then hold the speaker right here. Oh, I love these.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Yeah, but, like, I'm not going to lie. Like, two years ago, he hadn't played drums in a while, and I was like, I mean, yeah, I know Cash used to play drums in a band, but he's not, like, that good.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Your call has been called. Dude! Oh, my gosh. She'll call me back.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
I'm writing cash out, so. I don't know. Sometimes Harper threatens her and is like, I'll never tell you anything if you tell mom.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Like, two years ago, he got the drums out, and he, like, actually played, and I was like,
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Oh, my brother's calling back. She's not. She made that answer.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Yes, because you're making it all sus. No, I'm not making it sus.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Hey, did you and Harper, like, go out and get Chipotle at, like, 10.30 last night?
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Yes. And it shows on Life360 that she was at Chipotle.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
He literally froze. He was like, uh, uh, I'm calling him back. I work. I worked.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
And we're back. I'm sorry. How did we get there from goodtar? I don't even know.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
I knew it was something to do with bread, but I didn't know what kind of bread. I thought it was a bag.
The LOL Podcast
Telling My Friends He Cheated!
Nope. Don't remember that one. But I do remember the one that's like, let's not remember that one. What's up, Heather? Oh, my gosh.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Wait, Jason, what grade are you in? Now that everyone knows what a Jason Carr is.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Uh, let's see. What does the word loyalty mean to you? Loyalty? Yeah.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I don't know why... Wait, actually... Actually... No, actually... Actually, shut up. Actually, relax. Actually, relax. You look like a wizard. Oh.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
That just swam in like a wizard game, too. Wait, you were looking through it on your own time? Yeah, and I found the weirdest things in here. Like, what is it?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I do not smell Wait, we don't give a crap about that. What is that?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
You're starting it. What do you mean? You're actually picking fights, trying to look for fights. She's picking the fights. So that way you can get clipped because you think it's funny when your clips go viral.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Feastables? Smash it. They're actually so good. How many Feastables?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
You guys think you'll get prom king and queen?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
You know, I'm about to literally break up with him. Really? I'm about to break up with him. You use me for clout? Harper, we're talking about bucket lists. Yeah, bro.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
You can't read some of them. Read them all out loud.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
What? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Oh, date Harper. That one has a check.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Oh, my gosh. Why is that on your bucket list?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
That's good. Thank you. That was such a lie. That was good.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Okay, the thing is, everybody... You're not, like, telling them your deacon story, but you're kind of, like, forced to hang out with them. Yeah, I guess so. Everybody hates us at school.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Yeah, no, people, like, people don't like us at school.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
What would you call the Maddox Baxter music video?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Wow. It's like a sport car. Harper, you got him a car. Thanks, Harper.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Then you gotta add some stakes in there, like, or we'll die.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
No, I think she put my hand and that cheerleader's hand together and said chemistry.
The Matt Jones Show
Episode 4 - Top 10 with Drew and Billy
You've added a new, you know, you've got like three accents. I think we're adding a fourth to the catalog.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And she's like, what about race, sir? Let's talk about what happened to race. Can we get back to arguing about race? Could you two old white guys get back to arguing about race, please?
The New Yorker Radio Hour
Cory Booker: “America Needs Moral Leadership, and Not Political Leadership”
We also have homegrown criminals that push people into subways that... Hit elderly ladies on the back of the head with a baseball bat when they're not looking. That are absolute monsters. I'd like to include them in the group of people to get them out of the country.
The New Yorker Radio Hour
John Fetterman on Trump’s “Raw Sewage,” and What the Democrats Get Wrong
A fringe group of Afrikaners went to Capitol Hill to advocate for white farmers in South Africa. They didn't bargain for what would happen next.
The New Yorker Radio Hour
John Fetterman on Trump’s “Raw Sewage,” and What the Democrats Get Wrong
They were trying to get attention. They were even trying to get sanctions. They were never trying to get refugee status. And now that they have it, that domestically is a really big problem for them.
The New Yorker Radio Hour
John Fetterman on Trump’s “Raw Sewage,” and What the Democrats Get Wrong
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The New Yorker Radio Hour
John Fetterman on Trump’s “Raw Sewage,” and What the Democrats Get Wrong
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The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Hey, Rewatchables fans, you already knew we were coming to Boston for a sold-out show on March 27th, but what you didn't know is we're sticking around that weekend. We're going to host our first ever Rewatchables Film Festival while we're in Boston. We're screening some of our favorite movies, movies that we have done on this podcast.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Well, one of the things with this movie, and it was a big part of the marketing, And Friedkin talking about it and just in general, it was like, we are going to do basketball correctly. We're going to have real players playing real games. We did all this shit. We had Patino coaching a team against Nick Nolte with the players. Everything was like, boom. Same thing with Bobby Knight.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
There's all these stories about Bobby Knight taking it too seriously. They filmed it in Indiana in front of a crowd of 6,000 people. And they're like, we are now elevating the sports movie. And it doesn't totally work. It turns out there's still some good stuff and actually just structuring sports movie scenes.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I think basketball is the hardest sport to shoot. Yeah. I just think over and over again with, you know, white man can't jump works because it's two on two. I think full court five on five basketball is so difficult. It's why the angles like it's like when they change the angle in an actual game, you're watching like an NBA game. You're like, please just go back to the...
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
As soon as they were like, here's a baseline shot of this. I'm like, no, I want to see coaches angle. Yeah. And it's like, I think that that is whether it would have been freaking or Scorsese or Coppola or PTA, like five on five hoops is just incredibly difficult to capture.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
So that's why some of the 70 stuff, I mailed you a white shadow, pick a basketball senior. So some of the 70 stuff, they just didn't overthink it. They were just like, Hey, Wide camera. Let's just watch some guys playing. And then they, as soon as they tried to get fancier, Hoosiers has some good stuff and some bad stuff.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
The thing that I like about you is when you have an agenda, that agenda is all encompassing. I like the seventies basketball footage. You love white shadow so much.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
It doesn't mean... No, no. That sounds like a great idea for a pod. You know my feelings. I could have just come in for a cameo at the end and been like, yeah. I've been here for 10 years.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He kind of wants to do white shadow instead of blue chips.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
It's now it's too dated. It's like 50 years, but, um, No, it's like Coach Carter. We had that Finding Forrester, Coach Carter era of basketball where they went back to the wide shots.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Oh, I like that. You got back into the... You went from White Shadow to Coach Carter. I'm just saying those were the basketball movies. It was like a DEI thing you did.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
No, they went backwards, though, and they stopped being like, we're going to be right on the court. We're going to go, here's the wide shot again. And then The Way Back, I think, did a good job. Oh, The Way Back is...
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
You know how I feel about that movie.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
That's a completely underrated sports movie. I'll say this. It's properly rated because we're doing it this year in the rewatchable. Oh, right.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I'll say this. This movie was attempting to do something that I think... I do agree with you. They overthought it. Because they're trying to shoot the game... From the coach's perspective and put us right on the bench where you can see that the team comes out. They're playing with a lot of energy. And then the game is getting away from them.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
And you watch the coach just unable to control the fact that he just doesn't have the talent. And you're supposed to be able to see that. And it just doesn't quite work. But every time I watch this movie. It's too frantic. something always dawns on me. You watch so many basketball movies where they're playing basketball. Nobody is sweating. Nobody looks like they're into it.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He's got to light a couple more candles for Abdul Carter. Exactly. DMing Cleveland Browns reporters.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
This does have the feeling because competitiveness of the competitiveness of that, the fact that they're actually playing basketball at a high level and trying to beat each other. So when the drama comes and it looks like, uh, his team is overwhelmed, that kind of does work. But the basketball itself doesn't work that well at all.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Widescreen helped it a little more during the Square TV era when this was rewatchable. Combined with how they shot it, it was really hard to follow the basketball. And then you'd watch like Teen Wolf.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
And you'd be like, man, these basketball scenes are great.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
basketball scene in this one is probably the indiana game because i find it very easy to like kind of navigate bobby hurley on the court and i feel like it that was the one where maybe it's just because i was so familiar with bobby hurley at the time really missed his game i liked his but it's like that's a good point car accident yeah his car accident's kind of underrated i think he would have been a good pro little swaggy confident right playmaker tough yeah tough
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Stealed a ball, was an all-time favorite college player.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He coaches Arizona State now? Yeah, yeah.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
He just directs traffic in a way where you're kind of like, oh, right, there's a pick and he's going to come over there.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
We're going to talk about a very polarizing sports movie that is somehow weirdly endearing. Blue Chips is next.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
That stuff is good. But they don't actually even flash to the scoreboard that much. They don't. I mean, Western gets their asses kicked most games of this movie except for towards the end. Do you know what I mean? Except for that very last game.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I have a lot of thoughts on that basketball stuff.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I want to say one more thing about the basketball. Do you know what the best basketball in the movie is to me? The practices.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
And the coaching in the practice.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
And the coaches in the practice.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Put your leg behind him when he's spinning around.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
I like all that stuff. All of that stuff.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Gets his hand right up on Ricky Rose butt cheeks.
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
Right there. Get out of here, Ricky! Right over the front of the rim, butch. Unlock the left hip. Take your jersey off. Go with the blue team. All of that stuff. The practices are the stuff to me that actually grounded the movie in being actual college basketball and authentic. You know what I mean?
The Rewatchables
‘Blue Chips’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
When I tried to recruit Van for the ringer, and he's like, I want 30K and a gym bag and a tractor. I was like, get out of here, Van!
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Take that! You don't deserve to wear it.
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Then two days later, he was working for us. It was like it never happened. I never understood that part of blue chips. With the pay stuff... So the movie kind of shifted, especially as in the last 10 years, people are like, these guys got to get paid and that whole thing.
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We don't buy athletes. All the other schools are doing it, coach. We owe them this money.
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By 2023, Esquire was writing, Shelton and Friedkin seem to be foreshadowing the everyone-sells-out influencer culture of the 21st century. Hmm. Interesting idea. I don't know if I 100% agree with it, but it does foreshadow something. I don't know if it was intentional, because I really think they were just in the moment.
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I think they were saying the quiet part loud, which is like, these guys deserve to get paid. This is a multi-billion dollar business, and the players deserve to get paid.
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But we did this in the 70s, though, with one-on-one and with fast break, because those are the same premises. Like, how can we cheat to win, basically, in college basketball?
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Sure. I think also there's an argument to be made that a lot of what Happy says kind of makes sense. Do you know what I mean? Where he's just like, the collectives will take care of these people. You don't have to know about it. Happy kind of is...
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Let's do it now. Which is why the gambling stuff is in there with Happy. Because if it's not, then what Happy is actually saying... But even the gambling stuff now is almost quaint. Tony shaving points in a victory to miss the line is like, ah, well... I mean, yeah, but it's still... That at least still has...
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enough of a stench to it that it is actually affecting... Somebody's giving less than what they should be competition-wise. You're right. But Happy has the gambling stuff only because Happy is making so much sense. when he's talking to Coach Bell that he wouldn't be villainous enough.
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Just talk about happy. I love happy. You love the pool. There's just a random woman in the pool for no reason.
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JT Walsh does something so crazy. Like, it's so swaggy. JT Walsh goes out on his diving board as he's dressing down Coach Pete, and he's just bouncing on the diving board. He's like, who are you to talk to me? Fucking make it work. I'm bouncing on the two Playboy Playmates.
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What does he say about them when he introduces them to Pete? He's like, they're both huge fans of the program.
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I thought the movie could have easily taken a He Got Game turn right there for Coach B.
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The problem with this movie is Happy is by far the most interesting character in the movie. He has that one scene where he's dressed up to play tennis.
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What do you think Happy does?
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You think Happy's in Hollywood in some way? I think he's probably made all his money in... I feel like he's like a film producer. Yeah, he's like some kind of... But he has a lot of time to worry about Western basketball.
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Well, he plays... He's a tennis player, too.
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That's true. He does play a little tennis.
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If I ever got divorced, I'm just turning into Happy. He's just going to be, like, dressed to play tennis all the time, doing phone calls while I'm bouncing on the diving board.
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Run the Harvard-Wesley Collective.
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Two cougars at the pool. And I'm just trying to boost that polo cross.
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You could go... Those weren't... Well, the ones he introduced to Coach, those...
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Those were 25-year-old women.
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What are you talking about? Those were cougars.
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Bill. No. No. Which ones are we talking about? The women in the bar that he's both big fans of.
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That's fair. Yeah. Don't argue white women with me. Don't do that. But I'm saying, happy is the man. Happy is the one. Hey, is there somebody you can call?
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to tell me whether or not you know if i leave school that my mom the mama who's a house and job calls him hey he's the coach you're the coach get him to play his mom's got a house with a yard i'm like talk your shit happy get out there stop acting like a bitch he didn't know how to be an emotion offense no he didn't he needs to be in a different office what the fuck's going out there we can handle the ball and dish to other people you know it's
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really good is a motion offense.
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So we're going to go back and watch, watch this movie and listen to all that terminology and just be like, it, you almost have PTSD from basketball practice of guys yelling that out.
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Like you're just like one, four, two, three, like two, three, four.
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Yeah. Like, like boxing one. Now it's all like watching people run a three man.
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We even all of that stuff.
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So Nolte's coming off the resurgence when he cleaned up a little bit.
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Another 48 hours down and out Beverly Hills. Like he's Cape Fear.
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Prince of Tides. He's a pretty famous star. So they build it as a Nick Nolte movie and they made a big deal. He shadowed Bob Knight. He modeled Pete Bell after Bob Knight. So we have that. We have the Shaq and Penny stuff. And I got to say, I think Shaq's good in this movie. Shaq takes a lot of shit for his acting. I think he's like borderline stealing scenes when he's in there.
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I love every time he's in there.
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Yeah. He's really funny. He's very funny. They let Shaq kind of be Shaq in the movie. Yeah. He's a bright spot, which is good because every other athlete that acts in the movie is fucking terrible. Yeah. It's tough.
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I don't know. I thought Penny was okay in the whole shit.
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No. Like it. One thing that I learned that I not learned one thing that sparked my brain while I'm watching this is athletes as actors. has come really, really far. And it's probably because these guys are so used to being on camera now. They're on camera in many different ways. Oh, that's a good point. Like Anthony Edwards and Hustle. Yeah. They're just used to it. They're performers.
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It's better. And they didn't get as many reps.
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I like that. That's a good theory.
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Back in the day as they do now. But there's some rough, rough athlete acting in this movie.
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It's also like a really kind of— Dr. J was the nadir in Fish and Save Pittsburgh.
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Choice for Penny and Shaq to do it. Honestly, for all of the people who participated in this movie to do it, because it's a pretty dim portrait of college basketball, right?
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I mean, the craziest thing is they let Indiana use the uniforms of Bob Knight. I just have no idea what the NCAA was thinking with that.
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And nitpicks, if you're going to let Indiana do it, then why do we have to get fake teams everywhere else? Western Texas or Texas State or whatever.
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It was like, hey, we're going to do a movie about digital media and the corruption and terrible stuff. Can we use all the ringer studios and all your logos? I'm like, sure, go ahead. Do you want to put Craig Horlbeck in it? I just don't understand why they would even participate in this.
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I will say, Tony is a good actor. I think he's an actor. He is an actor. I know him a little bit. Oh, here we go.
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plus maybe a couple others, at the historic Coolidge Corner Theater. We're doing it all weekend from March 28th through March 30th. One of my favorite theaters in America. We might even make a few surprise appearances at a couple of these screenings. It's your chance to see some of our favorites as they were meant to be seen on... the big screen.
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I know Tony from Bullets. Oh, my God. But he's actually an actual real basketball player.
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Yeah, he's a real basketball player.
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He was the only one they cast because he actually could act.
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So we have Patino, Knight, Raveling, Koozie, Bird. Talk about the legend in a second. Tarkanian. Some of the players, Allen Houston, George Lynch, Wex Walters, Greg Graham, Chris Mills, our guy Rick Fox.
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Calvert Chaney. Cal Chaney.
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So there's a lot of people that it's this glimpse. And I could have done this for probably an answerable questions later, but I'll do it now. I don't know where the fuck the Fab Five is. Jalen not being in this personally offends me.
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Have you ever talked to Jalen about this movie?
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All right, guys. So I wrote this in the mid-2000s about blue chips. I wrote that it turned out to be the Penny Hardaway of sports movies, ironically. Unlimited potential, great start, peaked early, some ups and downs, ultimately disappointing, and then kind of grows on you year after year. And I wrote that mid-2000s.
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I wish we could almost call him and find out.
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We should make it call Jalen Rose instead of call Ursula.
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He's right there. He's as famous as any player they used and he would have been perfect. Honestly, he could have played Tony. I feel like Jalen could have acted.
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You go up to Detroit instead of going up to Chicago. You know what? When I did... In doing the research for the movie, they say that Kevin Garnett is in the movie somewhere. I cannot fucking find Kevin Garnett in the movie.
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I don't think that's true. He's too young.
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Yeah, he would have been like 15 years old.
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They say he's in the movie. Maybe he has a high score. Geert Hammack is in the movie, though.
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Remember Geert? From LSU. Yeah. So the backstory, Ron Shelton developed it in 1981 for Time Life Films. Bounced around the whole decade. Ends up at 20th Century Fox. Script goes in turnaround. And then Wet Men Can't Jump hits. And they're like, whoa, this movie. Paramount Pictures acquires it, buries it. And then Sherry Lansing, the famous Sherry Lansing.
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Who was married to Free Kid at the time?
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Or dating him? There might have been some romantic something. gets Friedkin because Shelton can't do it because he's writing and directing Cobb, which is an inseparably bad movie. Like, if you want to have a bad two hours, watch Cobb. I have tried over and over and over.
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Watch Adolescence and then watch Cobb? Oh, my God. I've tried so hard to like that movie.
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And everything's perfect about it except the fact it's unlikable and not fun at all to watch it.
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He is such, like, I've tried so hard. Like, Cobb was on, like, a couple of months ago. It's not a watchable movie.
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Doesn't work. So that's why he didn't do it. Basketball scenes filmed at Frankfurt High in Indiana. And Friedkin was talking about finding basketball players who could act because real actors just don't work in basketball movies. They kept changing the script and then eventually did the Pete versus Bobby night. last game, and they could not convince Bobby Knight to basically throw the game.
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He was telling his guys what to do on defense and fucked up two different versions of the ending before they finally got the... But they said it was like... Just full games. Play pick up as hard as you can. We're filming everything. And then they had a couple set plays at the end and that was it. $35 million budget. Made $26 million. A rare loser of money for the rewatchables.
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But I bet it made it back in DVD and all that other stuff.
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I feel like it's still around in the culture and it still gets referred to a lot.
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Yeah, it beat its box office for sure. Our guy Raj, what do you think? He didn't fuck with it.
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What Friedkin brings to the story is a tone that feels completely accurate. The movie's a morality play told in the realistic, sometimes cynical terms of modern high-pressure college sports.
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I have a question for you guys. Is the 90s the best sports movie decade? I mean, it's my sports movie decade. Blue Chips, The Program, White Man Can't Jump, Above the Rim, 10 Cup, Rudy, Necessary Roughness, Little Big League, He Got Game, Rookie of the Year, Hoop Dreams, Jerry Maguire, Any Given Sunday. Varsity Blues 99? Yeah.
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We did kind of a tester sports movie Hall of Fame pod maybe eight years ago, and I liked it more. And now we're in 225 all these years later. And I like it more than I used to. And I think it just makes me nostalgic for whatever this weird era of sports movies and young skinny Shaq and young Penny Hardaway and Nick Nolte and whatever they're trying to do in this movie. I don't know.
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So, like, you're looking at a complete... It's not just... Because some of these movies are like... Super laudable. Maguire's in there too. It probably is.
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I mentioned Jerry Maguire, yeah. They're definitely the most... It's like the sons of the Rocky era.
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The ones I revisit the most. I don't know if there's, with the exception of Maguire, it's not really, but like a movie like, say, Rocky or Moneyball that kind of transcended out of sports movies to become like a critically acclaimed...
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film as much I don't know I think the 90s were the best because they made the most of them they learned from all the mistakes from the other generation but then the model kind of worked like this is my friend Mike Tolan he made like seven of these like he made Varsity Blues Coach Carter Summer Catch like he just kept making them over and over again because it worked every time you'd make them for 15 million and they'd make 30 million in the box office I think that the money kind of shifted against it eventually
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But I just think they made a shitload of them.
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I also think that sports culture was at a point to where there were more things to litigate. Yeah, that's true. The underdog story is something about sports that will always work. But when you get to the 90s, now you're talking about marketing. You're talking about agents. Some of these movies are about sports culture.
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But you know what changed?
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Documentaries come at the end of the 2000s. Yeah. That's when the sports docs came in and the content was immediately as good as a lot of these sports movies and doing the same themes. And some of them, it's like, I'd rather watch the great documentary of this. I'd rather watch The Last Dance than a Michael Jordan movie.
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Or I'd rather watch YouTube highlights of this happening because everything was filmed anyway.
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It was just less access and... I think that the territory was just right.
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Which is why I still like, I loved air. I loved air. I did too. I loved air because I'm like, huh? I want to know air could have been done as a documentary. Yeah. But I want the dramatic version of all of that shit happening. Yeah. So anyway, I just, when I, when I was doing research and I looked at all the movies, I'm like, wow, like this is a very, very deep decade for the sports movie.
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I used to... When I had my old site, I would always write about sports movies. And then when I got to ESPN, I would do reviews every time. And it got pretty dark in the mid-2000s. They were kind of running out of ideas.
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Like after Friday Night Lights or whatever.
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We moved into like this... kind of gridiron gang era of these like specific ideas they're trying to do and there'd be one big star. What was that movie with Josh Lucas was another one.
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They had one star for the poster. That was Baton Rouge.
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One star for the poster. They'd kind of cheap out on everyone else to try to make it for a certain amount of money. And it was kind of the same movie you'd already seen 10 times.
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Clearly going to be an inspirational story rather than like Slapshot or this or something where it's like, oh, you know what? I just like watching dudes curse while they play sports.
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What's the exact perfect age to see this movie?
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I'm going to say like 14, 15 when you're a college basketball junkie, but I don't know if 14 and 15 year olds are college basketball junkies anymore.
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I went with, I went with 13. Yeah. 12 or 13 I went a little bit younger um but now we're talking about now I'm actually not sure it might be 45 it might be a little older yeah but for me I saw it at the perfect age yeah I was like 12 or 13 I would have said 16 in 1994 yeah like oh Shaq yeah that's basically what I was yeah
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I really enjoyed rewatching this.
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Most rewatchable scene. Possibilities. Pete Bell's first scene. Awesome. Fantastic. Comes back in two times, just yelling at them. Comes back. The dumbest team I've ever coached. It's some good novelty. It's a good way to start a movie.
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I think it actually is an inverted sports movie. And if you look at it that way, it works better. It's inverted because it's a feel-bad sports movie. It starts out with them losing. It starts out. Then it goes to him compromising on his principles. And then it goes to his career's over.
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Every time we get ready to play, I just want to throw up. I'm goddamn sick of watching you guys play. There's not one of you, not one of you that's learned how to win. We got hammered the last four games, and it stopped right now. You keep playing the way you're playing, we're gonna get a half-beat again tonight. So depressed I don't even want to talk about it.
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I'm through fighting, you sons of bitches! You're the dumbest team I ever coached. You guys think of something.
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It's also like an interesting gambit. Nolte's such a vulnerable actor. He really doesn't need big glory moments and in fact seems to hunt the opposite. Yeah. When you think about all of his characters, like Kate's character in Prince of Tides, this, he's just a punching bag, man. And when he comes on screen, you're like, oh, this is going to be cool.
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He's going to like give them a motivational speech. It's an anti-motivational speech. And then like... Just the way that you contrast him with Patino. Pete's hunched over. Patino's standing tall and is like, you're a great official. That's why you're the best. He's like a smooth, I love you, I love you. And that was like Pete Patino then.
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Yeah, Pete's wearing every loss. Next scene, Koozie shooting free throws.
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Wow. You're the only person in America who makes this to rewatch.
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Oh my God. Well, let me give you some backstory. Watched the interview with Bob Cousy yesterday. He said Nolte suggested this because Nolte was kind of a jock. And Nolte's idea was you will do the scene. You shoot a free throw. When you miss, I'll get the ball. Then I'll shoot. We'll go back and forth because he kind of wanted to show off his free throw shooting.
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And Cousy said he made 21 in a row when they filmed it. So in the movie, he makes 10 straight, including a lefty.
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And Nolte's like, don't you ever miss?
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Yeah, which was ad lib because Nick Nolte was getting pissed because he thought, when am I going to get to shoot my free throws? But the whole scene's good, too, because he's like, you got horses. What you need is thoroughbreds. But Cousy can barely say thoroughbreds because he had the French accent. But then we get the two reasons I'm incapable of cheating. Bob Cousy had a French accent?
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Yeah, Bob Cousy was French. He's a French immigrant. That's why he had that weird, he couldn't say L's and R's.
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I thought that was always just like a Boston accent.
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No, he's like this French, then the Boston. That's why there were like certain... When did he come to America? His parents were like French immigrants.
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But like, when did he come to America? He probably born there or came earlier. I can't remember. But yeah, it was a French accent. How about that? I didn't know that. You can learn more about that watching the Celtics documentary on HBO.
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There's no heroes. There's no takeaways. There's a lot of unintentional comedy, Van. There's some really fun basketball that's shot in a super weird way, but it's still compelling to watch. But you're watching it going, why didn't they just bring the camera back? I just would have loved to have seen all of these famous players from the 90s play together. And Louisiana's in it.
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His character, you don't even have to really think about it as Bob Cousy.
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Well, he's allegedly named Vic, but you should call him Bob.
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But that whole character of this kindly figurehead who's kind of like, what, I don't know, I don't know. You know what I mean? But it's like, we're a good program, but it's like, you guys are fucking corrupt.
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He's doing the Tom Hagen. Yeah. It's like, ah. If we went to the match, there's no idea what's happening.
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You feel the worst for him when Pete Bell goes off on his thing and they go back to Koozie and he's just putting his hands on because the AD's got to go too. They're going to get rid of everybody.
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Wait, so you guys are telling me Bob Koozie hitting 10 straight free throws during a scene?
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Yeah, well, I can't beat anybody with banners. I need players. I need horses. You got horses. What you need are thoroughbreds. Well, everybody in the country's buying these kids out of high school, giving them cars and money under the table. God knows what. Don't you ever miss? That's the idea of the game. Put the ball in the hole.
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isn't rewatchable for you? The guy was like 70. I'm sure he was.
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So the crew was going nuts after. What? The crew was going nuts.
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I wish J.J. Reddick was here right now. The crew was going nuts.
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You should start saying that about yourself. Like, when I was interviewing McShay, oh my God, Cerruti was going nuts. Everybody was applauding me.
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Well, Cousy tells the story that the day before they filmed the scene with Shaq and he missed like 14 or 15 free throws.
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Listen, you saw what he can do. He's the best basketball player in the first 15 years of the league. How dare you? Go hang out with J.J.
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He just said, Shaq was super free-throwing. Bob Cousy showed up Shaquille O'Neal.
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He literally says that in the interview. He said the crew reacted because Shaq was so bad the day before.
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next scene so my favorite part of this movie is when he goes recruiting it's awesome this is the best 15 minute stretch by far i love seeing butch mccray in chicago i love the gimmick of the other coaches there at every stop it's getting like the red the red carpet um some bit we get to see real penny hardaway highlights him just kicking ass in some chicago gym
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Some guys really willing to take some smaller roles. Ed O'Neill in like three scenes. Robert Woolf is in one scene. Alfre Woodard. Alfre Woodard's one scene. Is this the origin story of Arliss? Oh, man. I haven't thought about that show in a long time.
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I thought Gossett was great.
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Fantastic. One scene. Uncredited.
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This is like after Toy Soldiers. It wasn't like he wasn't red hot.
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Hey, he had already won an Academy Award.
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No, I'm saying Toy Soldiers. I got a little worried about Lou. It's kind of awesome to... We did it on Rewatchables. I love that movie.
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It helps to know a little bit about college hoops and recruiting at that time period or whatever. But he comes out of that office and you're like, I know who this guy is. He's the dude who runs this Catholic school. He always has a fucking awesome player. Yeah, but he does look out for their best interests, and he knows all these guys, and for whatever reason, Pete and him are good.
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When he comes out and he positions this as essentially a slave auction, right?
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So I know your feelings. Love it.
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You can tell that he's having fun with it, but he has a cynical enough opinion of it to keep these guys in line. And he can read and write that whole thing. It's perfect.
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Well, first of all, It was part of Shaq's media rollout as a pro. Shaq and Penny together was like, oh my gosh, Shaq and Penny are in a movie.
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Alfre Woodard. sucking a cancer stick at one point there, CR.
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Maybe he has the line of the movie. When Pete's like, what's he gonna become? And she's like, a millionaire?
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Yeah. She wants a job and a house. Then we go see the legend in Indiana. Why are you grunting?
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I'm grunting because... He knows where this is going.
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He knows where it's going. You can't help yourself. He's grunting because it's the same feeling I just had. Just get it off your chest. Do it. First of all, the only movie he's been in...
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You know where they filmed it, though?
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You know what else was filmed in that house? What? The greatest commercial of the 80s. The commercial, yeah. That was the same drive. Pete drives down the same driveway that Magic drives down in the limo for the Converse commercial, which was the day that they became friends. They became boys. I thought Larry's not terrible as an actor.
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I don't think their eye lines are matched up. So at one point, Pete's looking over here and talking to Larry Bird, and Larry Bird's like, hey, coach!
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Hey, coach, how are you? Larry has enough aura, like the kids say, aura, to just kind of Larry Bird his way through any scene. So when you see Larry Bird, and Larry Bird is keeping it 100% real with him, just tell me what you want. It works.
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Do you think Larry Bird...
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in 94 was still just going out into the hot indiana sun and getting getting shots up or was he um i had something for this later but the the short answer is no he had like two back surgeries there's no way he's like i'm just gonna go out and shoot some pickup i have like get my own rebound three surgery impaired herniated discs he's gonna go get some shots my own free throw misses um then we go see neon in algiers
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But we barely knew who Penny was at this point.
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Give us the Algiers scouting report. Well... Because it seems hard to get there.
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Well, it's West Bank, New Orleans. It's not as hard as they made it seem. Okay.
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It seems like they're going to Cuba.
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There's a jungle cruise. They made it seem... But we laughed at that because, you know, in Louisiana, when people go to Louisiana in a movie, they always make it seem like you got to ask an alligator directions. when you're getting around the state. So it's not like that. No, it's not. It's West Bay, New Orleans. So you do have to like, I don't know that you have to go through the swamp.
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Barely knew who Penny was.
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Shaq had real gravitas at this point.
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The bayou, yeah. Yeah, to get there. There are places like that, but they're further south in the state. Listen, don't spoil this for me.
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I like this movie gimmick. It's like the deepest recesses of America. You need it. Only one guy can get you there.
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Shaq was a gigantic star. But Penny was... Memphis was still Memphis State at this point. Penny was this silky smooth big guard from Memphis State. And then when you see him in the movie, it's part of what makes him a celebrity. But the film itself also is interesting because...
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Silk. And you got to get through that. You got to climb a hill. Can I ask one question about the recruiting visit with Bell, with Ricky Bell? No, no. Ricky Rowe. I have a lot of Ricky Rowe thoughts. Was that race? By his father? The First Baptist Church? Second Baptist Church? Did I detect some racialisms?
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The Second Baptist Church more black?
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Southern Baptist. Because I was like, I always thought that he was just... But then I watch it now with... My race eyes. And I was like... It's a good video gimmick. Race eyes. I can find it in here. Like, race eyes.
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Infrared race goggles. They watch as Bob Cousy makes free throws with race eyes. They're trying to make Shaq look bad with this. Yeah, exactly. So, like, what?
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I think that there were some undertones. I don't really know a lot about... I would say Indiana has... Like, the greatest history with this?
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Jim Beaver really good, though, as Ricky Rowe's dad.
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Yep. Yeah. Yeah, I think there was a whiff of something.
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I fucked with Ricky Rowe the most, though. I like this game. Ricky Rowe was cool.
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He just wanted girls and money, man. Ricky Rowe, we lost him to an ACL. Think about what modern medicine could have done for Ricky Rowe.
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He's on the tractor right now, wondering what happened.
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Yeah, wondering what happened. Ricky Rowe misses his whole career. Bede's still out there getting $35 million. Ricky Rowe's probably in the Proud Boys right now.
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Ricky Rowe. Ricky Rowe just got pardoned. It was really easy to spot him. He was 6'6".
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Ricky Rowe is now the Secretary of Defense.
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He was the one shooting baskets on Pelosi's trash can.
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He's totally right. He's never been coached. 520, you get 400 for signing your name.
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Yeah, it's all lark for him.
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I like all the Shaq scenes. I like when he brings, the next one was when he brings Shaq to Mary McDonald's kindergarten class or first grade class.
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Can he play with the kids?
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How gigantic he is, how childlike he is. And the Shaq basketball scene in Algiers is just fantastic. He's playing in a basketball shack. In a barn.
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But somehow it's like seven NBA players are there. I have a lot of questions about that.
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They're playing like five on five half court and just exclusively throwing him alley-oops.
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And at one point he tries to block a shot and then gets the ball and then dunks it. It's like, what are the rules here?
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in that it predicts the future it's an easier film to watch uh retrospectively because so many of the things that it was about like came to pass like it well that's why we want to do this because now we're in the nil era which is the era that blue chips was telling us for 30 years we should be in this era yeah and now we're actually in the era and it's you know i remember i saw this movie in the theater with my my dad and my buddy kurt sanger
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So how far is Algiers from New Orleans?
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I don't think you gave us enough. Algiers is New Orleans. It's like Brockton. You know, it's not that hard to get to. Algiers is a neighborhood.
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So the big lesson is it's not nearly as hard to get there as they manage to get to New Orleans.
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On the west bank of New Orleans, you take a ferry across the river to get there. Okay. My favorite thing about the recruiting trip for Neon is that for about 40 years, if you had a scene in New Orleans, you could either use Suzy Q or Baby Please Don't Go. And those were the only two songs you were allowed to play. That's such a good point. It's like...
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what other songs could have been used house of the rising sun house of the rising sun is a good one but at this point they would have dropped like bling bling or some classic cash money some juvenile or some shit like that to let you know you i was gonna do this later but the the lack of hip-hop in this movie when it came out you don't think billy freaking was rocking all the i have some missed opportunities later but it's there's not a lot of hip-hop and white men can't jump though
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I'm just saying by 94, we had some options. We had options in 94. We had options. Next scene, JT Walsh lays it out for Pete Bell. You're a better coach when you're pissed off. My money is untraceable. CR, just, you want to cook on this? I know you love Happy.
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I mean, I just love, I love his like brazenness in this. And I love how like they position this character. He's not doing anything. He's like, everybody is a cheater. I'm just going to cheat better than everybody else. When he brings those girls up to him and he's like two big Dolphins fans.
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Can we just give him the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting word right now? And do we throw him into the category?
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I don't understand. I mean, it's so good. He's just going for it. But it is an overacting extravaganza.
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The only person competing with him is the assistant coach who's just like... Freddie? No, not Freddie. The guy who's like, Tony's my guy.
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Tony is my guy, man. Shut up, Freddie. I... My favorite JT Walsh scene of all time is in Outbreak. Wow. That's my favorite one where he's talking to the people. He's only in it for the one time. He was like, was anyone in? There was no other way. You're with the president. But this is, to me, the most JT Walsh of JT Walshiness that exists. You want to go Breakdown? Breakdown is, to me.
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It's like a stripped down JT Walsh? Stripped down JT Walsh. This is the most JT Walshy that JT gets. Love JT Walsh.
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Do you think in any of the scenes he should have dressed like Lieutenant Markinson?
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Okay, great. We owe them this money. We owe it to them. I like the montage when everyone gets paid off.
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Butch's mom gets a job in a house. Corner office. Ricky gets a tractor. Ricky gets a gym bag with money. Neon gets a Lexus, but makes the point that he didn't ask for it.
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Didn't ask for it. We're playing some cool music. Neon's the only pure soul in the movie.
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Fun one. Next one, Butch is homesick. We talked about that earlier. I like that scene. Happy telling Pete, I own you.
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I bought one of your boys, coach. I own you, Pete. You're mine. This is a minute after he says, I didn't break any rules. You did. And then he's like, by the way, I own you. I shave points.
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I'm pretty sure you. So does Happy shave points or is he just aware that Tony did shave? He said he bought one of his kids. So Happy's just like getting a little greedy there.
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So he's like a booster, but he's also shaving points. Like Happy's the worst booster ever.
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And we were really excited.
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You know what? For Happy, the action is the juice.
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He needs a little fucking taste of everything.
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There's something... Every time you mention a guy you went to the movies with... Kurt Sanger. The Juice Man. For sure. The Juice Man. The Juice Man.
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So we go right into the point-shaving game, which is my favorite part of the movie. Western U versus State, 1991. What a clean program here, man.
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We worked hard to keep this program clean.
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I guarantee you didn't cover this spread that night. There must have been heavy action in Vegas. Somebody got rich. It's the worst case of all handling I've seen in the two years I've been here. Look, he was a freshman, Freddie. He's making freshman mistakes. He had a bad leg, too. Don't forget that. All night. All night. Mistakes. All night.
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No signs at all that this game might have been shaved as we see Tony just throw the ball to the other team over and over again and look at the clock to see how the time is going.
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I don't know how they... Do you think this is a better point shaving scene or the one in the gambler? The gambler? Yeah. Yeah. The gambler's better. The gambler's a little more... But it is cool how they use video footage to start to look at how he let this guy go by.
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I like seeing the video cassettes, too. So this is the best scene in the movie. I don't know if this is the most rewatchable scene in the movie, but this is the best scene in the movie. You hate Freddie. I hate Freddie. Freddie's such a narc. Freddie wasn't there. He's just being a dick. He's like, I was in Oklahoma. We did things the right way in Oklahoma. The entire time, Freddie doesn't have...
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He was in town. We called him Juice. It was one of those things where... We would give... We also had a friend named Night Train. We would give our friends weird nicknames. What the fuck are you guys doing? We would do like weird football nicknames from the 40s and 50s. Just for normal people. Okay. But anyway, we saw this movie. Super excited. Nick Nolte.
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He doesn't have any skin in the game here because he didn't recruit Tony. He's not hanging out with Tony.
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It's the worst ball play. I bet the people in Vegas went crazy that night. And he's pissing this fucking guy off. They've just spent all of this time praising Tony, and it just builds and builds and builds and builds and builds until it explodes. That's the best thing in the movie to me. Tony was my guy, all right?
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It's also funny now because when you watch Mind the Game and they're like, oh yeah, that was the third quarter of a February game against Toronto and I read the back screen, the assistant coaches are like, I think I remember this game. It's like, it happened last year. And you won. Were you writing a novel? Why don't you remember this?
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He's a good kid, man. He's a good kid.
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He is a good kid. He plays acoustic guitar, you know?
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And we get the Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. All of a sudden, Hendrix and all on the watchtower. It's the one time the movie gets supercharged by a song.
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And those songs are so college.
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It's also cool because that's the time when you realize it feels more like a campus because he goes from the gym to the guy's housing over there. And it's like, oh, yeah, you could just run across here in 15 minutes.
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How do you feel about Pete's performance in this scene? Son, you took the purest thing in your life. You corrupted it. For what?
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He's talking about himself. I think that that's the whole way we're supposed to write about it.
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But then Tony stays on the team?
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Yeah. He can't get rid of Tony. Tony's going to go fucking tell everyone. I wish you would kick me off the team. But that's a more interesting scene. What do you mean? There was more interesting scene.
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Like Tony going, am I off the team? And Pete's like, you see the wheels.
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He's more guilty than Tony. I know.
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But I want to see that in the scene. Like Tony actually has leverage over Pete.
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I think the year before, Pete would have kicked Tony off the team. But I think that Pete... He's in too deep. Yeah, he's frustrated that he kind of has to shut up and swallow this.
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The big basketball scene I'm thrown in. I enjoy Bobby Knight yelling at the refs. I agree with your Bobby Hurley point. The last play is so terrible and out of... Yeah, it sucks. Just what we're watching.
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Has there ever been a game-winning alley-oop like that? I know the NC State thing happened, but...
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I watched this scene more for the nitpicks. And I can't believe the music sound choices with this. The music and the sound of this scene, it's such a fucking fuck up. The crowd sounds bad. I don't know what the... There's like this weird droning synthesizer scene. And I went back and I looked at all my favorite 1994 hip hop rap songs.
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If you just put a holler, if you hear me in here for four minutes, this, this seems amazing.
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And instead it's like, he's, he's just got this weird droning synthesizer.
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Maybe the Randy Newman, the natural score.
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Or short shot by the beasties. The other one I was thinking like, you need like, this is fun. We're watching people play basketball. I need to like be tapping my leg as I'm watching. I think that they're going for high drama though.
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I disagree with the choice yeah I get it yeah I mean but you know like above the rim it's like we know what we are we're gonna have a really fun basketball scene here and there's gonna be good music but that was street ball and that's like supposed to have that raw energy or whatever this is supposed to be like more of a symphony of basketball I get it I just didn't agree with it and then Pete's final press conference would be the last scene
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Freed Ken. Super excited because you thought it was going to be like.
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Thought it was going to be great.
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He invented it. I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask you. Coach, what is up with Neon's new Lexus?
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He's like, no, it's not a car. This is a fine automobile, you know? Yeah. What a hell of a deal.
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And this was the era where sports movies had shifted from that Rocky model that we talked about. The Rocky Pod. Which goes from like through Hoosiers to the late 80s. Then there's like a little kids era. But then the Ron Shelton era comes in. He wrote this movie. Bull Durham's happened. We're moving toward like a more sophisticated sports movie, but we're not quite there yet.
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No, it's a nuclear surfboard.
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You guys asked me to win and I gave that to you. It's about money. It's the goddamn money. Happy does a great meltdown. I've become what I despise. I've become what I despise.
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I cheated my profession. I cheated myself. I cheated basketball. There's two words I didn't think could ever come out of my mouth. I didn't think I'd ever be able to say them. I quit.
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I cheated my profession. I cheated myself. I cheated basketball. I quit.
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This is kind of the basketball version of the now imagine she's white scene. Grace eyes. It's like where he gets like all the way to the end. He's like, I quit.
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What do you got for most rewatchable?
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The press covers. Oh, yeah.
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The press conference is the most rewatchable, but the Tony scene is the one that I'm always so gleeful to watch whenever I see the movie.
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I love the point shavings. Yeah. I love the point shaming scene and Bob Cousy and intense straight free throws. Fucking man.
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Also cool the way they shoot the point shaming is I think Nolte's in the back and they don't really, it's not even in the focus. It's the two coaches up front and Freddy talking shit.
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yeah it's just freddie makes that scene freddie just like grading on the other coaches freddie's just like if i was here i would have noticed this by the way the first time throwing by the other team what's he doing what's the most 1994 thing about this movie uh i have a good one for this what do you got it's the sportscaster guy who's like it's time to tell pete bell to take a hike
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Like early jungle Rome. Yeah. You know, like early seats. That guy's like, he's probably the actual sports, like broadcaster for the local news. And they're like, you can have 22 minutes after the college games to do like your, he's like Rob Fukazaki. Yeah. And he's like, okay, I love Rob. Yeah.
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But it's early takesmanship. He's, he's working on it. And he also ruffles feathers when he, interviews Pete Bell on the court, then Pete Bell curses him off. Don't mean to ruffle feathers, coach. Good luck in the second half.
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Right now, that guy's out around the horn saying goodbye to everybody. Young Shaq and Young Penny, I'd put for 1994.
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Skinny Shaq is definitely the most 1994 thing.
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I want to shout out VHS tapes and crappy TVs for coaching staffs. Just how digitally now, he'd be like, let's find that game, press it up, it would be a plasma.
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I was like, when Pete goes over to Jenny's house the first time after they lose to Patino, and he pours himself a glass of the good stuff and immediately goes to game tape, I was like, this is Bill. This is what Bill would love to do every night is go home, pour a glass of the good stuff, and watch a little bit of... I can't believe you got bumped out by my around the horn joke.
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And this movie never really figured out what it wanted to be. But on cable, still really rewatchable. And I think it has a weird kind of tail.
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I didn't realize you were a big around the horn guy.
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What's aged the best? I got Tony flunking TV. Really like that. I always loved the classes that they would come up for for college hoops. And Jerry Tarkanian saying Butch McCrae couldn't make it at his school academically.
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You know what's aged the best? It's weird. So this movie is supposed to be at UCLA, right? It's their colors. I mean, it's technically, yeah. It's gesturing towards it, yeah. It's actually UCLA that broke College sports.
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Ed O'Bannon sued and that lawsuit made it all the way up to the Supreme Court and then ushered in the NIL era. Was Tyus Edney on the O'Bannon teams or is that later?
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He was. I always enjoyed Tyus Edney.
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I have a one at what's aged the best off of that what's aged the best. When sports movies had to use Western University. When they had to use Western University.
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they had to use these fake college names. There's two Western universities. Cause the other one is in a one-on-one with Robbie Benson.
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Same thing. And I think they might've even had the same color.
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So, uh, what is Western Texas is Patino's team. No, he's Texas. What does he coach?
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It was like, no, it was like Texas Western or Western Texas, Western.
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I think it used to be a real, you know, obviously. Yeah. Um, I really liked some of the music in this movie with, uh, like, yeah, it's good.
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The Ricky Rose outdoor hoop. I wanted a shout out. Went the thing underneath it that rolls back. Just nice little touch. The phrase, friends of the program. That's become a big podcast phrase all over the place. I don't know if it started with this movie, but I noticed that. I like whether it bends the rules or not. Doesn't bother me nothing because it ain't my rules. Thought was a good quote.
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Yeah, for sure. Number one, it has that tail because of nostalgia. It has that tail because of the relevance of the subject matter of the movie. But also, it's an easy watch. It's an easy watch. The movie doesn't... it talks a little bit about some of the poverty that the players live in and like what they're going through, but it doesn't get too deep into it.
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Using brooms as fake shot blockers, man. Loved it. Always. I thought, I just thought a lot of the touches with the coach and the players was really high level.
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I really liked that part. It's also like, it feels very real when, I mean, obviously because they were actually playing games that they were just filming, but Patino and Knight coaching felt very real. Like it felt like they were giving like actual instructions.
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and the coaching stuff in the movie is actually, they didn't really lean into it that much, but the coaching stuff is actually really good because they were coaching against each other. And it was like, don't guard this guy. Don't guard that guy. And then you hear the other guy trying to adjust off of that. It was like a little deeper look into like the scheme and strategy of the game.
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Yeah. Uh, It was good basketball nerd kind of stuff.
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Even down to when Pete's like, I'll go into the Indiana locker room and give Bob Knight our game plan because it doesn't matter. I was like, fuck yeah.
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Rick Pitino in the closing credits of this movie is Richard Pitino. I just wanted to shout that out.
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Do you think he was thinking, maybe I'll move into acting, I'll go as Richard? Honestly, kind of awesome in this movie. Yeah.
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I have him and Larry Bird and Bob Cousy all being awesome in a sports movie. So what's the best? There's a locker room sign and the people locker room that says what you see here, what you hear here, let it stay here when you live here. That I just want to flag for later for the one more thing. Here's my number one though.
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I almost feel like this should be a new category because we had this last week with Nicole Kidman asking if she should study neurosurgery. Jerry's like, Nicole, we're good. Just show up and get your scenes on time and don't wear heels because you're already taller than Tom. This research, Nick Nolte wrote a 200 page novel about Pete Bell to tap into his character's psyche. It's all right, man.
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And gave it to Friedkin and Friedkin's like, Yeah, it was okay.
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You gotta get the green light before you write the 200-page novel.
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So is this a new Rewatchables award? Maybe it's conditional? The Nick Nolte's 200-page Pete Bell novel award for most ridiculous commitment to a movie?
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That's fucking insane! He wrote a 200-page novel about Pete Bell? Can we get it, though? Would you put it out on Ringer Books?
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I imagine it's not good. It might be awesome. Freaking just might have had too much on his plate.
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What's better, that or Nicole Kidman wanting to take some neurosurgery classes for days of thunder?
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I still think it's the response to Nicole Kidman and her being like, I really want to get into like... So maybe that's a category.
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Craig, what should that category be? Nick Dolte or Nicole Kidman?
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Why can't we do both? It's like overacting. Let's just start compiling. All right.
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I'm going to mark that one down. What did you have for Great Shot Gordo, CR?
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Just the push-in shot when Pete's giving his confession at the press conference and it kind of goes over all of the audience.
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I think the neon basketball scene in Algiers is just like the deep recesses of America. The deep recesses of black America where they play aggressive... Life or death basketball. Watch out for those alligators.
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And they play at a specific time because Silk and Pete get there just as they're playing. They know what time they got to get there, what time the Lions are out.
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Den of Thieves, Benihana, where Prasin's still in location, is either there. But I really like Butch's Gym in Chicago. Oh, that was great. Those gyms where you could run laps around the top. They had a few of those in Boston. They have some in LA.
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They have courts where they have dead spots. It's like, oh, you can't shoot from the left elbow.
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That one's a dead spot. To your point... That basketball actually looks good because they're shooting it like they're watching it from above. Yeah.
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No, that's the best basketball scene in the movie, probably.
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And you can watch Butch get busy. Yeah. And you can see... And man, I gotta say something. Something else about this movie that really ages well to me. Just... It's just like how fucking awesome these guys were, man, in their youth. Just watching. It's a great Woodstage the Best. Everything that Penny could do. Pre-surgery Penny, yeah. Like a young. I thought the same thing.
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It talks a little bit about the corruption of the NCAA, the NCSA or their draconian rules, should I say, but it doesn't really go too hard into it. You know, happy is a very easy villain to root against.
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Ridiculously dynamic Penny Hardaway, who was that far above the rim, who could handle the ball like that, who was that smooth. I mean, people don't remember him now, but fuck, man.
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We remember him. I honestly feel like he was a one-on-one. I haven't seen a tall point guard like that. Who could really play the game.
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He was like basically a 6'8 shooting guard who was a point guard. I don't even know who that is now.
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And unselfish. Was Penny the first prop 48? Wasn't there a big, didn't he have like a big Sports Illustrated cover about, it was like Prop 48 and it was like how he was going to go to Memphis. Yeah, I can't remember. There was definitely an SI cover with Penny when he was at Memphis.
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I mean, he was first team all NBA in 95. He was like 21 years old. This was somebody that, it's basically like whatever John Moran is three years ago. Yeah. Or Edwards last year. They made the finals in 95.
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I don't want to jump on prestige sequel prequel, but sequel with Penny coaching because he's coaching Memphis now.
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We are of the same brain.
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That's the sequel to the movie. That's not bad.
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The Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name, which is turning into my favorite category.
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Can I just make a case for Butch McRae? Sure. Um, Butch McRae, just a great name could be really anything could be like the bad guy at American gangster could be the lead cop in a movie. Yeah. Could be like a musician. I don't, there's just a lot to play with. What year was this movie written? Well, it was written in the 80s. That character was white. Butch McCray.
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Yeah. Interesting. And when the movie, almost certainly, when the movie got made or like whatever.
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It's like, Chris isn't rooting against them. If to Chris, this is a happy movie. It's a JT Walsh extravaganza.
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They need to urban it up a little.
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They urban it up. They want to bring Penny into it. Then they added the scene with Louis Gossett Jr. addressing the fact that his name is so white sounding. That character was white.
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In general, Butch, great name. Butch. Great sports name over there. And then Ricky Rowe, I think, is solid, too. But yeah, Neon Boudot is the classic. Let's take one more break, then we'll come back with CR's flex.
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All right, CR, what do you got? I'll go Vincent Chase here. And I'm just going to say, despite the two natties, Arisha or Pete Bell was a good coach. As a recruiter, what is the shit with the lamp and the chair and the grandma in Butch's room? Like, does anybody get sold by that? Like, oh, wow. What an offensive mastermind.
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Maneuvered two toddlers and an 80-year-old woman with a cigarette.
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Uh, so he's drawn up that bullshit. It's pretty obvious. Ricky is going to want the bag. He tells him in the first place. And then he asked so indignified by it. Like, he's just so furious about it. And then finally, like, it seems like his big wrinkle as a coach. Once the team is put together, his game plan is to throw two guys at Calvert Chaney.
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And it's just like, all right, well, maybe, maybe your time had passed as a, as a basketball scholar. Also, maybe Penny Hardaway should have been in the one four.
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Spread the floor for that fucking guy. He's unhappy. He's out here. His mom wants to keep the house and job. Maybe change your office a little bit.
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This is why Coach Bud is in shambles right now. He's trying to run this corner.
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Dude, if you watch Penny Hardaway at that age for five minutes, you'd be like, I'll run whatever fucking offense you want, dude.
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Love JT Walsh. You know, it's funny. In today's world... Happy would run shit. Happy is the hero, and P. Bill, the guy who doesn't want to pay the players, he's the villain if you do the movie today.
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What do you want to do, bro? The offense is you throw alley-oops to Neon.
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I have a feeling that P. Bill got a little Tibbs in him. that he was a defensive line coach. Yeah, just got a little my way or the highway, you playing 90 minutes a game type situation.
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Yeah, but the thing is that Patino calls him out in the first game where he's just like, these guys aren't in good shape. So it's like, if you're not in good shape and you don't like to have sophisticated offense, what are you doing?
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The way they had it, they made it seem like he had the same credentials as Bobby Knight did. Like he'd won multiple national championships.
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Which is another reason why I have this letter in nitpicks. We can get to it then. But if you've got two national championships, you having one losing season is not going to make people.
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I think he's had a couple that were like not good, though. I think the whole Tony era has not been that good.
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Right. But, like, it's college. Tony was shaving points. It's college, right? So, like, you watch Indiana go up and down for, like, a decade. If Bobby Knights brought you two national championships, it's, I'm just saying, like, normally that guy's job is not going to really be in that much jeopardy.
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2025 blue chips. Tony's just betting the under on his player props.
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I was going to make that joke, but I wasn't sure if it was appropriate. Under two net rebounds.
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The Butcher's Girlfriend Award for weak link of the film. It's clearly the point shaving subplot and the coaches having no idea when we watch the video and the guy has 25 turnovers. And then there's been rumors about it for the three years since. They're all blindsided.
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You think the Raptors staff had that meeting about Jontae? Not Jontae. He's a good kid.
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Jontae's not in discords talking about his own unders.
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and then happy being a huge booster in support of the program but then also buying one of the kids for a point shaving thing it's just it's a bridge too far what's age the worst uh in the opening credits it says penny hardaway but there's quotation marks for the penny yeah i just don't like it we didn't know to your point we didn't know yeah just go and for me penny hardaway then or if you're gonna do that do it for everybody have richard patino yeah right i didn't like that um
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I mean, I'll go and then you guys can take some... Nobody would know who Neon was. This is an era where we actually had a college... top 100 infrastructure was into place. Really, the Fab Five is like, from that moment on, they had the camps.
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There was a nostalgia thing in a couple different ways, but one of the things that... It was such a big deal that all these college guys were in the movie, and even Calbert Chaney and Hurley and people like that in the game scenes. And I was just thinking about... how much we cared about college basketball when I was in college. Like we were talking about, it was the anniversary, it was St.
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They give you so much exposition as to why you're not supposed to know. Yeah, because he was in the military. He grew late. He went to Juco. They said he was in Desert Storm. Is Neon like 25? He's got to be at least 26 years old. At least. He's got to be, for everything that they said, because he went to a junior college, and then he went to the Army, and then he's got to be at least 26 years old.
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It seems like he's pretty well-versed in the Green Knight. It's like, that's culturally biased.
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Right. And then off of that, wouldn't Sports Illustrated be crawling around this team? Like, what happened here? He got Butch McCray. He's got some 26-year-old dude from Mount Jers.
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Yeah, but isn't that literally what happened with Michigan, where it's just like, how did these guys all decide to go to the same school at the same time?
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I would think college basketball was huge back then.
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neon coming out of nowhere as a 25 year old like i just feel like that would have been a major there was nothing more exciting than like a cool freshman class going to a school at the same time like i think people would have been like awesome pete got his shit together what do you have for what's yours um i think starting your press conference referencing 900 million chinamen probably probably not the best move that was they were they were some coach did that day
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Yeah, that was based on something.
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I have that too, but you know what aged the worst about that to me? Is the Chinese not caring about basketball.
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That's right. That's a great point.
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You took off your race eyes.
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The Chinese not caring about basketball age super poorly when he's trying to make that point.
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Neon's joke to Jenny and Pete when he's like, I see why you left the bitch. I think that probably would have landed off.
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Yeah, they would have cut that one. I loved it though. I thought it was so funny.
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Like, what is he talking to? How is he talking to her like that?
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And finally, Nick Nolte getting the John Belushi White Guy Dancing in Baptist Church Award for Dancing in Baptist Church. Oh, that's a good award. Oh, add that to the list.
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anything bad that was my main was was uh the the chinese like not caring about basketball it's just my uh my other biggest ones butch not being able to run the motion offense is just absurd uh mary mcdonald we didn't talk about her she's coming off dances with wolves everyone was in love with her from that movie um she's 41 when they make this movie They give her a hairdo.
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Like she's like the person on the right in the view. She looks like a hairdo of like a 59 year old. They dress her. They dress her. Hold on. I'm not done.
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They dress her? Go for it.
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They dress her like a grandmother.
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She's a second grade teacher or whatever she is. She's 41 and divorced.
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Mary McDonald can't get something? Like her only hope is Pete Bell coming over after a couple drinks? Are you saying that she's undesirable in the movie? I'm saying they made her look undesirable and I don't appreciate it.
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I don't appreciate it either.
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I think she would have been feeling herself a little bit. She's a divorce lady. She's like your Aunt Stella.
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Do you think she just loves the game? Do you think she just loves hoops and wants to be a part of the program still? The purity of basketball. She's presented as the moral compass of the movie.
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It seems like Josiah's dad was trying to hit Marquis? Yeah. Marcus Johnson. It seems like he was trying to, when he was talking about getting the drinks in the wings, it seemed like he was kind of putting it down a little bit. Maybe he was trying to snake old Pete Bell right there. We'll get some wings later. We'll get a couple of drinks. I wonder if that was a little subplot. A little subplot.
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Patrick's day. And I was on a thread with my college buddies. And like one of my great sports members in college was Princeton and Georgetown. Oh yeah. On St. Patrick's day. And we were just at a party watching that. And the entire campus was locked in on that game. Like we all watched the Leitner shot game together. We really cared about Kenny Anderson on Georgia Tech. Wow.
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I'm not going to have that drink, actually.
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The only other thing I was going to say is what changed the worst is just the shame people feel because people don't feel it anymore. They would have just denied and denied and denied at this point. Pete Bell having a crisis of his morality and everybody feeling bad that this thing had happened. Nobody does that anymore. They're just like, eh, I'm just going to say it and do it.
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I mentioned Bob Cousy as Vic I just would have called him, like, Bob Cruz-y. Bob Luz-y. I don't know. What about Le Bob Cruz-y? Since he's French. What's aged the worst? It's... God bless Dickie V, but the Dickie V scene's 40 seconds too long. It's like, we get it. Dickie V's at the game. It's just kind of... He's... Baby! He's listening to all the players. I would have cut that. Or Packer?
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I would have cut that. Dickie V was such a fucking huge star. I get it. I would have cut it. Um... Pete Bell's coaching style of just screaming at everyone and having no basketball technician ship at all. And also like yelling at people he's trying to recruit. And I just didn't really understand it.
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Do you think Freddie is the actual brains behind the operation? Yeah.
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Freddie's probably the one that got him from Oklahoma to install the one for. You know, I really wanted you to be my wingman for the Mary McDonnell part. You know what?
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You just fucking abandoned me.
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They dressed her like a 70-year-old. I needed your help. And instead, you just sided with Ciara.
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Can I be honest with you? She still looks hot to me, though. I still think she, especially the part where she goes, you want to take a little play, a little one-on-one?
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You're mad at me today because I made fun of Koozie earlier.
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I didn't appreciate that at all. Divorce late? I don't know. I just feel like she'd be breaking out a little bit more.
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What's the hottest she's looked in the movie to you? Was it Dance of the Wolves?
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Dance of the Wolves looks great.
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What the fuck are you talking about? She's good in that movie. She won the Oscar. She's good in it, but she... She's good. Craig, you got to put dancers with wolves. She's like, she's very, it's very earthy. I didn't know you were into the whole. I just think she's good in that movie.
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She's a beautiful woman. She's gorgeous.
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That's my point. Right. And she looks good in the movie though. I think she looks good in the movie. They dress her like a fucking grandmother. You want her to dress like Roxy from Basic Instinct? Somebody who's a divorced lady. Put a blouse on and a pair of jeans. Okay. Like she's out there still trying to. I don't know. Like market that thing. Fine.
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Yeah. Whatever. So Pete calls Happy to see if Butch can keep his stuff.
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Which is a very cool scene on paper.
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Because now he works for Happy. It shows that he's powerless. That Happy's calling the shots. Do they do this?
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This is, I have this in a what stage the worst. Do they do too much to make us just not like Pete? Pete is not a hero in this movie. He's not likable. But I think that's why we have such complicated relationship with this movie. Because it's like, I don't even think I really like Pete.
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and what Shaq was going to do on LSU. And Leitner was like a college god. And UNLV Larry Johnson just showing up and being like, it seemed like he was like 25 and just kicking ass. We cared about all these people. So them being in this movie with Bobby Knight, with Patino, with Boeheim, with Tark as like these funny characters, like it really meant something back then.
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Well, I think that what you're supposed to get from Pete is a sense of helplessness to the changing landscape of college basketball. And that scene where he has to humble himself in front of Happy and call Happy about one of his guys is supposed to reiterate the fact that he's completely, his hands are off the steering wheel.
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Great, you're a spineless loser. Why am I rooting for you in the final game?
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It's kind of like when Bobby Knight was winning, his antics were like unique and charismatic. And when he was losing, he was a brute and a bully. It's a context thing where it's like as soon as Pete starts losing, it's like, oh, look at this guy. He can't keep control of his temper at all.
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Last what's aged worse for me, Ricky Rowe. Just ask for 50K in the tractor. What's 30K? It's a fucking major program. They've won three titles. My number starts with a five.
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The 30K is a weird number. 30K? Yeah, 30K is a weird number. Come on. Maybe that's like what his dad needed to pay off the bill on his farm or something.
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Big combines are moving in.
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I'm in 50s, 100s at this point.
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It's like I go for 50K, 75K, or 100.
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Ricky is taking that $30K straight to Heidi Fleiss.
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We're going to get to that. That would be $63,000 today. It's not a lot.
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Ricky should have spent some of that $30K in a blouse for Nick Nolte's ex-wife. could get in there.
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She's got her pair of jeans. What's your flex category choice, man? What is the best? I've made up a new one. What's the best possible starting five you could create from the actual movie?
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A fantasy GM. A fantasy GM. The best possible starting five you could create from the actual basketball players in this movie. So wait, what they actually wound up doing in basketball or just the reality of the film? No, no, no. Not the reality of the film, but the guys that are in this movie. What's the best? Do we get to your Shaq and Penny? Yeah.
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I mean, I do Shaq, Penny, Bobby Hurley, Calvert Chaney, I think. So Bobby Hurley?
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No, I think it's Penny, Allen Houston, Shaq are three of the five have to be. Penny, Allen Houston, Shaq. And then probably Calvert Chaney because he was really good in college.
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You run Penny at the two and put Bobby Hurley at the one.
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Pre-car accident, Bobby Hurley was fucking awesome. I know, but I want Penny to have the ball. So then you put Penny at the one Bobby Hurley doesn't make. Plus Penny can't play in the motion offense.
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So then do you put, because Ricky Rowe was a real player, too. What's his name? Matt Nover.
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Honestly, George Lynch was really good in college. George Lynch, Houston, Penny, Shaq, and Cal Chaney. And you just have the one center, you have the three, and you just have athletic, long athletes everywhere.
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That's a pretty awesome team. Yeah, so there's no real power forward.
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Hurley is sixth man. You don't need a power forward with Shaq. Shaq, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't mind Ricky Rowe off the bench, though. Just to stretch things out.
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Sure. If you don't have Bobby Hurley, you don't have much shooting in that team. I don't think Ricky's a great locker room guy because he's trying to fuck everybody's girlfriend.
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Yeah, that is true. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford's hottest takeover. I think we're all lingering the same way. Blue Chips 2 should have happened. I don't know what part of the Butch McRae neon experience that should have happened. Whether it should have been like a late 90s Or like what we were talking about where Penny's Butch is a coach in the late 2000s.
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But Blue Chips 2, I'm just, you have my interest.
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Do you think Blue Chips 2 now would be these guys have an ex-player pod?
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It's them. It's Neon. It's Butch. And Tommy Alter is Tony.
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Jesus Christ. It's the three of them.
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Well, we also obviously naively believed in, like, the power of these institutions to recruit these players just, like, based on the reputation alone. And one of the things that I remember so clearly about, like, my college basketball fandom back in Philly was, like, when a kid would go to a school that was kind of on a little bit of a downswing, it's like, no.
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My hottest take is based on Ricky Rowe. Yeah, I think he's probably like just a stick man. But the way he kind of instantly brings up girls and is always talking about girls. I feel like if it keeps going on, that's the kind of guy who finds himself in Bangkok talking about wanting to be the girl.
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Like, if you can't ever satiate that, and then he blows his knee out, you know, it's just like, he just keeps plumbing the depths until he finds himself drinking chamomile tea in Bangkok.
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Butch on the other side. They're at their team reunion.
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Oh, you know, sometimes I want to be the girl fucking me, and I'm the guy fucking me. Sometimes I get an Indiana girl to watch.
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He was so horny in this movie. You have a hottest take, Van? No. Okay. Casting what ifs? I don't really have any other than... Oh, I do have a hottest take.
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I'm sorry. Okay. This movie is a good movie directed by Friedkin. It's an all-time great movie to me if Sheldon directs it. It's an all time. It's like he knew what tone that he wanted to go through. He knew the way he wanted to tell the story. And he makes it more fun. He makes it more fun. There's a glitch in the movie, a small kernel of self-righteousness that doesn't really work.
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uh and kind of drags the movie down a little bit it does it so i think if shelton directs the movie it's one of the great basketball films piggybacking off that what do you think if this is the third of the shelton costner sports trilogy oh interesting different coaching style i don't think he's as much of a yeller yeah probably adopts more of like a like a jim bayheim but you could see costner like being like i run a clean program and then like getting corrupted by somebody
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Yeah, that's good. Maybe he has a little no way out energy. People are coming to get him.
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A little edgier. Yeah. We could have gotten Hackman to play happy. Yeah.
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If Koster's in this movie, Mary McDonald's dressing a little.
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Yeah, she's getting a little more spark every time Koster's coming over. Uh-oh, coach, want to have a drink? Casting would have nothing except for Friedkin wanted Nick Nolte only for Pete Bell. And Nick Nolte had wanted to work with Friedkin since the 1970s when he didn't get a Chris Ryan favorite, Sorcerer.
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Danny McBride Award for playing yourself. We don't necessarily get to give this out that much. Richard Pitino? It could be Richard Pitino. It could be Bobby Knight. Tark was good. It could be Tark. Who would you give it to? Pitino. Okay. I agree. Best that guy or JT Walsh. We're moving on.
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He's not that guy anymore. Well, Craig just gave a whole monologue a couple episodes ago about how.
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We overrate that guy. His generation.
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I would say Marcus Johnson probably.
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Marcus Johnson too. But what about.
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He has like multiple RMAs. JT Walsh is like one of the great actors. I know, but I'm just trying to cater to Craig's generation. What about Silk Kozak?
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Oh, yeah, as Slick. As Slick. Yeah, the guy who brings him to, yeah, that's a good one.
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Like, Mark Macon's going to revive Temple. Right. So-and-so's coming. Or this guy's going... Can you believe that this guy's going to LSU? Like, this is amazing. And we were... with short of like, we weren't like pounding recruiting newsletters or anything, but we were like very aware when a big time freshman would come into a school and how that might change everything. Yeah.
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Who brings him to, like, he's also in White Man Can't Jump.
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What about your guy, Anthony C. Hall? Anthony C. Hall is another one. The assistant. Now, the real answer is the assistant who's like, not Tony. That's my guy.
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That's one of those guys. I don't even know what that guy's name is.
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He's one of those guys. I don't know that I've seen him in anything else. What else has he been in?
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Maybe I've just seen him in this.
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Dion Waiters Award. Incredible candidates for this. Happy's Two Blondes. J.T. Walsh. Lou Gossett.
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Larry Bird and Bob Cousy. Larry Bird and Bob Cousy. No thought that it could be Shaq. No, he's in it too. Nothing for Alfre? Alfre too.
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I guess she's qualified.
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She's in multiple scenes.
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She's in two scenes. She has one of the best lines in the movie. Okay.
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Or... I think it's Lou Gossett. As much as I love Koozie, but I think Koozie's in it too much.
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Yeah, if Shaq's in it too much, Koozie's in it too much. Koozie's in like four or five scenes.
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Gossett comes in hot. He's great. He's basically like the officer in A Gentleman Guy. And he's out in three minutes. Recasting couch director, City. I would like to talk this one out a little bit more. Whether Nolte was the right guy. He's too close to Bobby Knight and Jack Cates. I almost can't separate it.
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Well, that's what he's doing. He's going for the quintessential college basketball. I think the image of the college basketball coach, even though Hurley's brother at UConn is kind of flipping it back to that Dan Hurley. I think the image of the college basketball coach has kind of changed. But at that time, remember, this was, what's your man from Temple? John Chaney. John Chaney.
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So this was John Chaney and all the rest of these guys, these really overbearing personalities. And, you know, Bob Knight, I think he was trying to get into that.
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I think that... The Costner thing intrigued me.
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Nick Nolte is the perfect actor for this version of Pete Bell. If you want Pete Bell to be... You could talk me into, like, this is where Norman Dale goes and it's Hackman playing this and he's always had, like, control over the program and then he loses it. You could talk me into... a Pacino kind of playing a Pacino Calipari type.
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Pacino hams it up too much.
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Yeah, he goes crazy. But I think that Nick Nolte is perfect for this version of Pete Bell, but Nick Nolte is the reason why people are like, yeah, Blue Chips is okay. Could Lou Gossett play Pete Bell?
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Interesting. Do you go black coach there? Or do we have to wait until after the Million Man March to make that happen?
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We had some big-ass black coaches in the 90s. I just think they wanted him to be Bobby Knight, and they decided Nick Nolte was closest to Bobby Knight.
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Do you think this movie... works as an LA movie. It's cool when he's like... Not at all. And the weather couldn't be better.
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I almost feel like it should have been at an SMU type school and put in Texas.
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They were talking specifically... And Happy's like an oil guy. They were talking specifically about which is another thing that kind of, you know, age a little poorly, specifically about the rise of Big East basketball and how all the television had moved over there. But that's really, that kind of aged pretty poorly too. But that's really the only thing that's regional about the movie.
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Shaq and, and Chris Jackson, who then became a model door.
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Like it's not California culture. There's like nothing that goes on. They don't lean into it at all.
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They're playing a lot of non-conference games.
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Right. Can I give you one more recasting just from the era? Cause it's Shaq and Penny, right? Third star has to be white. Cause it's Indiana. Could this have been later?
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Huh. It could have been. Yeah, for sure.
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If you're really trying to capture this era and you get Shaq, Penny, and Christian Laettner as Ricky Rowe, it's a more interesting movie. I'll be honest with you. I bet Shaq wasn't fucking with that. Yeah, Shaq's like, he's out. Yeah, I bet Shaq wasn't fucking with that. Get that kid from Indiana instead. Yeah. Oh, Craig's up with the flex category. What do you got, Craig?
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Um, I'm going to tweak the art imitating real life. And it's just Pete Bell berating his team at halftime was an exact reenactment of the SDSU head coach after they were.
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But don't says being an OSU together.
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We should mention we're taping this on a Friday, and we're taping it in the morning because Craig's like San Diego State. We might be playing on Friday if we win the play-in. It's going to probably be late. I think it's at 1 o'clock and then Tuesday. Would they lose by 25?
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It was like a huge deal going to Memphis. But the fact that this movie was so explicitly broadcast as being about recruiting and about bringing these guys in. And it was very obviously that going to be like, this is like UCLA, you know what I mean? And there was a bunch of, real coaches, real players were going to be in it.
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27, but they were down like 38 at one point.
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So Craig costs San Diego State the thing. Half-assed. It's your fault. Half-assed internet research. Shaquille O'Neal nominated for a Razzie Award for Worst New Star. That hurt my feelings. Shaq's good in this movie.
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That seems inappropriate. Ridiculous.
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They were just being assholes. Freakin' says, well after they made the movie, was weak at the box office. It's hard to capture in a sports film the excitement of a real game with its own unpredictable dramatic structure and suspense. I couldn't overcome that. Completely disagree. Sour Grapes. Make a better movie. Lots of sports movies have worked. Bill, you are all one of the favorites.
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It's more than rewatchable, so I'm always more hated. Apparently, Friedman didn't want Shaq to be too tall, so he had, like, shoes that had, like, tiny quarter-inch soles.
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It's probably, like, a framing thing.
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And then boots for other people because he was, like, too much taller than everybody else. And, uh...
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There's that funny scene where he's just like, at 6'6", and Penny's like, I'm not 6'6", and Shaq's like, I am 7'4".
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But if you look at that one scene where it's Shaq, Nick Nolte, and Mary McDonnell, if you look at the way that they shot that, they have to frame it in the right way to have him a little far, he's standing so far away from them, and if not, it looks... Shaq's final college game came against Indiana and Bobby Knight and Matt Nover.
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Indy beat LSU by 10 in round two of the tournament and eventually went to the final four and lost to Duke and Coach K. That was Bobby Knight's last final four.
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Love Dale Brown. We had some real studs come through and we couldn't get to the final four, man.
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Dale Brown, not Not opposed to maybe sliding something under somebody's door that has dollar bills in it.
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Dale was with it. Dale, he had a... Dale might have thrown a pair of car keys at somebody. That's a good example of when Chris Jackson went to LSU. I was like, how did that happen?
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I mean, Shaq, he got in on Shaq early.
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Because Chris Shaq is from the Northeast, right? He's from Mississippi. Oh, he's from Mississippi. Yeah.
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He was like an all-time scoring prodigy. Fucking ridiculous, yeah. The gym that they used for Butch McRae in Chicago was Mount Carmel High School. And then, I like this. The crew, including Shaq, stayed at the Howard Johnson's in Lafayette, Indiana for two weeks. Remember the Howard Johnson's? All right, we're going to try it again. Oh, great. We're going to go for, this has not worked yet.
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It was like, I think you were almost led into believe like, this is going to be basically a movie version of my college basketball fandom. And it wound up being like, Hey, but it was directed by the guy from the exorcist. And this whole thing is about as, as about as morally upright as New York city was during the French connection.
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We're going to call Rosillo and we're going to see if this works.
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He's going to pick up now because I called him out for his low answer percentage. Unbelievable.
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It didn't even ring. He's got you on like straight to voicemail. He does. Call Rosillo again. He might be on Do Not Disturb. A second one might go through. That's not weird at all.
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You think that's possible?
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If there was no ring, he's probably on Do Not Disturb.
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He's probably Do Not Disturb because I'm lifting. Grinding tape. Oh, a ring for Rosillo.
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And the hang-up. And the hang-up. That's great. All right.
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Love that. Completely redeemed the idea. Yeah.
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We knew it had high potential.
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Was that the first successful execution of it? Well, producer Craig, call again. Maybe the second time will go through.
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That tells me something about Craig, by the way.
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keep calling over and over never give up DM them over and over Apex Mountain Nick Nolte no cheating in a basketball movie what else you got no cause like the white man can't jump like when he's like when he's not cheating but he's like he's hustling the game above the rim like him playing terrible in the last game until he gets called out because birdie yeah yeah that's a good one actually yeah
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Yeah. You know, at that point, Just back to the Shaquille O'Neal thing, at that point, there was just so much interest in him.
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Mary McDonald, no. No. Bob Knight, no. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Alfred? Alfred team coming right off season in the brink? And they win the title?
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Not done again until 1996 when I did it. Rick Fox...
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Very brief. In a really nice run here of this, then Eddie, and then he got game. He got game. And Oz. Oz.
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He was making a way as a really serious actor.
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Who do I need to fuck in here to get high? I can't never forget Rick Fox saying that on Oz. You remember? Oz.
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Everyone will know I'm about to retire When we do the one for us Oz rewatch Four seasons of Oz It's like oh this is it Bill's done Point shaving movie scenes you're still going gambler Yeah I think it Also it's just so crazy Because like you know he's got the tennis pro Or the tennis kid betting on the game For him Shaq and Penny know
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Like, in a way that, I don't know, I mean, I guess LeBron, right? Like, in terms of... All those college, like Fab Five, Shaq, Leitner, those guys were like massive stars. And Shaq didn't do the thing... that a lot of players do where they play four or five years in the league and then they go, you know what? I want to be a multimedia star.
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Oh wait, Shaq as an actor? Were you saying sports betting scenes?
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Point shaving in a basketball game sense.
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Because I was going to say Uncut Gems is like my favorite sports betting.
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If we're just talking about taking a dive in a sports movie. That's Longest Yard. But what about the end of Color of Money though?
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That's a fucking crushing one.
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So Shaq and Penny, no, but Shaq as an actor. Shaq as an actor. I think 100% yes.
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Yeah, I don't think that is the best Shaq. I think Shaq would admit that.
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Bob Cousy is an actor, 100%. Richard Pitino is an actor, definitely.
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Algiers. Algiers is the hardest location to get to in America, definitely.
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That's it, unless you have any other apex.
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College basketball movies.
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I had that as a question too. I mean, I'm still partial to the ones in the 70s. Okay. Even though I wouldn't say fast breakers age great from a political practice standpoint.
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What's the one that Nicholson directed? Is he, Drivey said, is he coaching that one or is he just an ex-player? I remember that one. That's in the 70s. I saw that come up the other day. This is probably my favorite college basketball movie of all time.
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I mean, it's like basically our generation snapshot. We get to see all of our favorite players.
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What about recruiting scenes? Apex Mountain for recruiting.
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I still like when Brad Pitt goes to Chris Pratt to get him to come to the A's in Moneyball. He's like, I'm going to move you to first base.
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And I would go, Gene Hackman, go in and see Jimmy Chitwood. I don't care if you play or not. Fucking bold move by Gene.
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And I'm going to say that, you know, even though I'm going to say that the recruiting scene at Tech in He Got Game is pretty special.
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Oh, with the Jill Kelton and Chasey Lane? Yeah. They listed IMDb in that movie. Yeah. Cruz or Hanks? Hanks. Hanks. Yeah, Hanks. You like Cruz.
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You want to say our guy, Tom? Tom, I never would have believed ever would have been in any way part of a college.
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He's just, he's too. Like he's five, six. Like Tom is interesting for happy. Oh yeah.
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Doing like a less gross man.
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Like a Tom is interesting for happy as the fucking like evil Jerry Maguire type.
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Scorsese or Spielberg? Scorsese.
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Yeah. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?
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The guy who delivers Neon's Lexus. That is Philip Seymour Hoffman.
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I think he would have been an unbelievable happy. Yeah. Craig, you got one more flex.
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You don't need to do it if you don't want to.
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I just want to pile on on Cruz that I just imagining Cruz in the paint trying to teach Neon footwork is just all time.
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With wearing like six inch boots disguised as Nikes.
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Neon picking him up so he can dunk.
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I think if Cruz had the Jerry Maguire energy as Pete Bell and it's a completely different movie, I'm not sure I'm against it as a movie. Him doing the speech at the end.
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Yeah. Where he's just like, I'm a completely broken man. Yeah. No, the answer is thanks. It needs to be Cruz now. Like, old Cruz, maybe. Young Cruz.
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I want to rap and I want to do all of that stuff after they've gotten their feet wet in basketball. No, Shaq got into our... cultural sphere and was like, I'm going to do all of these things and you guys are going to deal with Shaquille O'Neal as an entertainment force for, like, the rest of his... He took backlash for it. Right, he took a lot of backlash for it.
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He's still telling Anna D'Armas. Picking Nets. So, no conference tournament for Western U. That before Penny and Shaq get there, season's just over. There's not like, oh, we're in the quarterfinals next week against so-and-so. Just regular season and we're out? What is this, like the fucking, like NESCAC?
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You can find all of our video on Spotify as video podcasts, as well as the ringer movies, YouTube channel. You can find Chris Ryan doing the watch. That's right. Some good TV lately.
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Generally speaking, they miss a couple of times on like just references to real college basketball. I think they like talk about the NITs like, oh yeah, we had a good season. We were in the NIT. You guys would have been really disappointed if you were in the NIT.
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I feel like the last game of the season would have been a conference tournament game.
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The basketball stuff in the movie in terms of the actual what would really happen and how things really just expect you to go along.
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Because then there's another part. They're recruiting Neon and they're recruiting all these guys and then Neon comes to LA to get tutored by Pete's ex-wife, and we have no idea what time of the year is, and then he passes the SATs in a week, and then all of a sudden he's in class, and it's like... Well, she peeps the fact that he could pass it at any time that he wants.
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Yeah, but it still takes a couple weeks to get it back. Is this August or is it September? Is school going at this point? Once Hoops starts at Halloween? Yeah, but it's just... I was left with some questions.
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They were getting recruited in the summer? Because after the season?
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They're getting recruited when their freshman year...
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starts in September they're getting recruited that spring like everyone has committed already he goes right to well yeah they so I mean I mean you know where you're going there's still a couple players that would be holding out but for the most part those guys would and then their season's over and then he goes to Chicago but Butch McCrae's high school is still playing there's a lot of timeline stuff that's tough maybe that's AAU you know um Western University's name is the Dolphins yeah the fuck is that laughing
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You're in LA and you're the Western University Dolphins? Wait a minute. What are you doing? It's at the beach. They got mad dolphins. They're not near the beach. We don't see the beach once in this movie.
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It's like where UCLA is. But you would think that you could have the Dolphins. It's on the coast. Maybe the Dolphins. What's Pepperdine's team? I can see Pepperdine. At least you're in Malibu near the water.
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It could be the Malibu Dolphins.
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Western University Dolphins? I think generally speaking, fictional sports teams are really bad at picking the name. Pepperdine is the waves. The waves. Much better.
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Again, I'm always here as the sports movie consultant. That's an easy email where I'm like, don't name them the Dolphins.
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Are there any... Any sports colleges that have the dolphin moniker, that have the dolphin mascot? Anybody using the dolphins? Probably not. Maybe that's why they did it. Got the dolphins.
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Doesn't bother me that much, by the way. Jacksonville University has Nelly the dolphin as their mascot. Okay. And the College of Mount St. Vincent.
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Another nitpick. Ed O'Neill just has pictures of all the recruiting violations. Here's a picture of Neon getting a car. And he has enemy of the state zoom in technology on his computer. First of all, it's 1994. We don't even have the internet yet.
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He's a local reporter who's made it his goal to take down the school that is the most beloved thing.
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We were on a text start talking about that and I was saying how I thought it took a while for Shaq to become... He was pretty polarizing. Because he was trying to be in movies. He was trying to rap. He was doing commercials. And there was this attitude of like, you haven't earned any of this yet. Win a playoff series. What is this guy doing?
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This guy's house would be burned down.
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This guy doesn't exist in Baton Rouge. You would have had this guy killed. Everyone would hate this guy. Yeah, this guy doesn't exist. The one guy, like, if there's a national reporter, I don't know, maybe he works for USA Today or something like that, I don't know. No, he's supposed to be Plaschke, right? He's supposed to be like a big LA guy.
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If there's a national reporter who's doing this story, that's one thing. But if there's a guy who's doing a WBRZ, WAFB, who's making it his fucking job or at the... the advocate in Baton Rouge to take down an LSU coach, he's like living in hell the entire time he's walking by.
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Probably doesn't get on Around the Horn. Probably stays local.
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Picking Knit. When Freddie says under the table recruiting is his version of personal health. It's just like, take it down a notch, Freddie. What are you doing, Freddie? You're a fucking college basketball coach.
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I think Freddie got hired by Oklahoma State three years later and was fired within 18 months just for being a shitty coach.
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Picking it so they could get
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indiana's rights to be in the movie for bobby knight in indiana to be but not without kentucky kentucky or like any of the other and not the ncaa because it ends up being the ncsa what the fuck is up with that like you have bobby knight and indiana the movie is actually 10 to 15 percent cooler if you have all this richard you know in kentucky and all of these other schools
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I think Bobby Knight was so powerful at that point that they probably asked him. He's like, yeah, fuck it. I'll get it done.
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Just like cross lines and didn't get permission would be my guess. Yeah. At the end. First of all, there's a bunch of young kids playing pickup basketball at 10 at night outside. This is a possibly unanswerable question I had for you. Yeah, they're just outside at 10 at LA. And none of them know who Pete Bell is when he comes over to help them with some coaching.
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We've already established this is the most important guy in this whole universe. None of them know who he is. And I don't know why they're playing basketball that late.
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Also, furthermore, if you were like watching Ben practice and like a random guy came out and just like stopped the game and was like... He would think he was like an alcoholic. That's the nit.
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Them playing out there, I don't know what time it is, but them playing out there... It's after a basketball game, so it's probably close to like 10 o'clock. Them playing out there just speaks to the greater ills of society. We all need to kind of come together and help the children. But... You bet not. Get your dumb ass off the basketball court trying to teach me how to shoot.
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Like, get off the court.
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Well, in 2025, this guy wanders onto the court and his pants are down by his ankles and probably takes a shit. And that's the end of the movie. Any other picks? No, you just nailed it. Thanks. Thank you. My pleasure. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. This would have been the easiest layup for an eight episode streaming air show from 2012 on.
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And it's probably better suited for a streaming show, I would say.
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What I'm saying is that was a testament to the fact that you could become a real deal superstar.
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So it's an early 2000s pitch. It's a sequel, but it's not with Penny. The pitch is actually Pete Bell's return to college basketball, right, in the 2000s. Neon is his assistant coach. He just got finished playing, and they're coaching against the dirtiest coach in college basketball. who is now Ricky Rowe. Oh, yes. Like Ricky Rowe.
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Ricky Rowe is tractors for everybody.
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Ricky Rowe is the Louisville Rick Pitino. Yeah. Girls, hoes everywhere. Not even girls anymore. He's past girls. He's paying guys to come over. Ricky Rowe is running the dirty program. Pete Bell has a beef with Ricky Rowe. Ricky Rowe's on top, and he's coming back into college basketball with Neon to clean up college basketball.
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Or couldn't that be 2025? Butch McCrae versus Ricky Rowe? Could be. Neon as the assistant?
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off college basketball like and you could become like this complete household name yeah based on what you did in college basketball like a Christian Laettner did or Patrick Ewing did Chris mentioned Mark Macon I was like I was invested in Mark Macon I really liked his game but there was like 50 of those dudes that year Kenny Anderson was with uh D Scott who's the third guy Brian Oliver we love
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Yeah. Could be. And now the guy who's like, take a hike has like a podcast. And it's really a podcast.
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Take a podcast. It's called take a hike. Yeah. Where he talks about everybody who needs to get fired.
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He's like, today I have Tate Frazier on.
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Talk about the final eight. Hey, tell us why St. John's coach Richard Pitino needs to take a hike.
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Take a hike. Presented by State Farm. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Chris Berman? Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harley Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Longlegs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm?
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I'm bringing back JT Walsh. He's in the movie, so we can bring him back. And I'm bringing back JT Walsh as Markinson. When Pete Bell calls him out at the press conference, he goes, I don't want a deal and I don't want immunity. I want you to know that I am proud neither of what I have done or what I am doing. It's half a nickel plated.
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And then the take a hike guy is like, looks like Western got the death penalty.
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That's so fucked up. That's where you need Tom. How do we get drunk Tom Cruise in there for the next scene?
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No, Tom Cruise is koozie. Oh no.
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Poor Markinson, bro. He had so much on his mind. There is no Markinson. Markinson doesn't exist. Markinson doesn't exist. I'm neither proud of what I did.
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Oh my God. Oh, shit. Happy was way more like Colonel Nathan Jessup than he was. He was Markinson, yeah.
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I was workshopping something where when they're in Algiers, they run into Nell for two seconds. They're looking for the gym and she's like... They're like, this lady's crazy.
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She's in the woods in Algiers with the alligators. Just want to ask her, who gets it? Tough one.
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Yeah, it's tough. It seems like the obvious answer is Nolte, but he's going so far that...
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I think I'd probably go Shelton's screenplay just because he's probably the best writer of sports movies ever.
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Yeah. I'd probably go JT Walsh, but I don't really feel like anyone deserves an Oscar.
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Not really, but if you had to give one, it'd be the script.
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Probably unanswerable questions. Why wasn't Jalen Rose in This Was My Number One? I don't really have any other ones. We've already covered a bunch of them. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? Pete Bell's ring, his championship ring, which is prominently shown over and over again, I think would be a good one.
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But for me, it would be Tony's number 44 blue Western jersey during the point shaving game. I just think it would be a great thing to have in the house.
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I'd like one of those TV VCR combos and then all the game tapes. Oh, the game tapes would be fucking fantastic. And I would also honestly love B-roll extra footage that Friedkin had of just the practices and games.
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Yeah, that should just be on YouTube, those games.
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Watching the Bobby Hurley, Calbert Chaney, Indiana team.
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Like how they actually were getting down and going crazy. That has to exist.
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That's a fun rewatchables category. If this footage existed, how much of it would you watch on YouTube? I think I'm in for over an hour of the game footage.
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Absolutely. Watching Hurley in the Indiana uniform is so surreal.
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It's kind of like, oh, I look pretty cool.
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Do you feel like that point guard style is just gone now? That point guard with the head up, pounding the ball, who's always looking, who's always ready to run like the perfect three on two.
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And he starts the set so fast. Yeah, he's just... It's morphed a little bit. It's kind of gone, but I see it in some players.
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I remember watching a March Madness game late night with those guys. They're on the West Coast hoping, you know, what do I care about Georgia Tech?
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You're hating on him. He had 17. He had 17 yesterday. He had 17.
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All right, Stephen A. Because now it's like the type of point guard now is like the Darius Garland type would be the type in this opposing guy in the movie. You know who has a little bit of his new scoot?
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I was about to say scoot. Scoot has a little bit of that. Thanks for that, CR.
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No, but it's more like a maxi type.
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Rochelle and I have so much scoot stock, it's like our brokers are telling us to offload it right now.
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Scoot's coming along. Doubling down. You think... Reed Shepard used to be a guy that would be like that, but Reed Shepard's a little too silky. He can do a little bit too many things.
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The Zewatne Award for what happened the next day. I'm bringing this back just for this movie. We talked about, I just think we have to go through the three guys.
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We find out the title cards, right?
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We find out Ricky Rowe injured his knee and works on a farm. Tough beat. Karma for him. They made him somehow the least likable guy in a movie with a point shaver and a booster who's shaving points and paying off players and Pete Bell who's not likable.
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Racist, horny, at least his dad, like asshole. I think Ricky Rowe is... He welcomed all races. I think Ricky Rowe would have sex with anybody. I think Ricky Rowe was cool, but they didn't give his character and his family. Good handshake with Shaq at one point. And his family, they gave them no dimension.
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And before we started recording, you mentioned the Nolan Richardson 48 minutes or 40 minutes of hell or whatever. Yeah. These teams all had like weird identities.
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He also really does not have much of a role on the team. There's not a lot of Ricky Rowe footage we get outside of him shooting in the yard.
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That, that was kind of the last era for the Ricky road type guys. Those that kind of six, seven, six, eight. Yeah. It peaked with Austin Crozier in the 2000 finals. And then he was getting busy. Slowly went down.
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Gordon Hayward is the last gasp.
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Um, Butch, I just think it's the actual careers the guys had, except Neon would have been like five years older getting into the league. But same kind of, I think, arcs. I think Neon might make it all NBA.
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Neon's playing Shaq. Yeah. So he's Shaq in personality. Even when he walks out there after all of this stuff has happened, and he goes, Coach, and you think he's about to say something profound? Like, you really changed my life. Getting me out of the jungle of algae, snakes everywhere, alligators, all of that. Fucking Noah's yelling at me. Is that the whole... deal.
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And he goes, you like my spin move? Yeah. And then, you know, that's, that's who Shaq is.
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based on the coach like night indiana was the best version like it would be like there were the teams that ran this very smooth like like like incredibly elegant offenses then there were the like slam their hands on the court defensive teams and there were the run and gun teams there were the teams where you're like man like yeah they're definitely whoever yeah exactly the prep school killers from duke yeah and then like the like the the the ucla
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Coach Finstock award, best life lesson.
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I guess if you're going to cheat, don't act ashamed of it. You know what I mean? That's sort of what comes along with all of this.
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Mine is just fucking cheat. You know, just fucking cheat.
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Stop acting like a bitch. Cheat, get the wins. Nobody cares. Now you're coaching in the Midwest somewhere, kids and whatever. Just cheat, man. Do you think Jenny and Pete get back together?
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I mean, if she... I mean, Marcus Johnson, I think he circles back. I mean, I mean... After Pete quits, I think he's coming by with a bottle of wine.
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He uses the crazy rollback call twice. The reality is, like, who's going to fucking want her, CR? I think she should move.
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Why didn't she move after the divorce?
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Get out of there. Start your life somewhere else.
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She's a teacher in Los Angeles.
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Move to, like, wherever. Move to Anaheim. She takes a... Get away from this guy. She takes some fucking pride in herself and the way that she looks and her appearance. Maybe she can actually get a man. Because she's not going to get Marcus Johnson looking like that.
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She's going to have to be Empty Jet Beauty of the Week.
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Go to a store that sold clothes from the last 10 years.
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Finally uplifting adolescence.
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Does Bob Cousy's Vic character have a massive heart attack when his entire athletic program is brought to its knees? Yeah.
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They're dirty too. The football program gets outed at the press conference. Happy says a linebacker and they're buying people friends of the program.
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My Coach Finstock award for best life lesson is go out on the basketball scenes. Don't try to reinvent the wheel. We like to see basketball from a certain perspective and don't overthink it. Best double feature choice.
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I think White Man Can't Jump just because No, you know what? I'm going to go above the room. Oh, that's good. I'm going with the program.
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I have one-on-one with Robbie Benson. I would watch that first. It's also Western University. It's basically the same things, but it's the 70s perspective on it. It's a really good movie.
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The one-on-one with Robbie Benson? Robbie Benson, big moment now.
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Out of all the 70s basketball movies, which I obviously have loved and seen a million times, I think it's weirdly aged the best. It's got Seals and Croft as the soundtrack. Annette O'Toole, soon to be seen in 48 Hours as the love interest. It's got good basketball scenes. And I don't know, Robbie Benson can kind of hoop. Like, for real. He's like a little Austin Reeves-ish.
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okay check it out should san antonio just put a contract on the table very youthful looking 70 year old guy he's in severance now yeah and some 70s babes in that movie like who like for real no there's like a let's get the lead character laid scene okay yeah i think you'll like it yeah um who won the movie tough one i'm gonna say nolte
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It defines the movie. His performance defines the movie.
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For me personally, Koozie wins it. Are you fucking kidding me? Koozie's amazing. What are you doing, Bill? Ten straight free throws with the cameras rolling. Was there a better athletic moment in a sports movie in the 90s?
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Ten straight. Bill, Shaquille O'Neal is fucking... Larry Bird is shooting free throws in this movie. Like, Penny looks... The heart wants what the heart wants.
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You're joking. You're joking. I said, for me, Bob Cousy wins the movie because I love seeing the Cous in this movie.
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Not Mary McDonald's costume designer? No. I actually think... Shaq wins the movie to me.
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I think Shaq wins the movie. Yeah. I think all these years later, I think this movie's a huge win for him. Yeah.
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It's the only time he's really been hyper. He can charisma his way through anything, but the only time he's been really competent in a movie to me is this one. All right.
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Producer Craig had never seen this movie. Really? Let's get the take.
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Also, not to outdo Koozie, but Ricky Rowe hits like four straight jumpers on a dirt road, so.
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He just, Ricky Rowe is just fucking, they real shots.
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By the way, the sequel to me has to be Nolte goes to like, or Pete Bell goes to like Montana State, builds a team the old school way, and then ends up meeting Western in March. Oh, yeah. As like a 15 first two season. Fred is coaching them. Yeah. He's still in West Dillon style. Yeah, yeah. That would be awesome. But I love this movie. This is an early contention for top five rewatchables.
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Really exciting. A really great nostalgic look at an old era. It takes a lot of swings. I think, honestly, most of it works. I think all the Pete Bell, the Pete Bell stuff plays for me. The romanticism plays for me. As I was watching, I just like jotted down six bullet points is what I wrote down watching. One of the great opening sports movie scenes ever.
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the O'Bannon brothers with Toby Bailey and Cameron Dollar and all of these different guys. It was like a legitimate, there was a whole landscape of stars to choose from in college basketball. And they were there for three or four years.
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Fantastic pace for a movie where, you know, a lot of it takes place in offices or in like homes in the Midwest. Happy as the most, what's aged the best and worst speech of all time. I think it's the best basketball in a movie ever. Interesting.
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I think it's the most refreshing old school cameos that kind of also represent an era. Like Jim Boeheim just sitting in the background. It's just, that'd be like if Damien Chazelle made a football movie today and it was like, oh yeah, Kyle Shanahan's in it. Malik Neighbors is the main character. Drake May's in it for a couple scenes. Something that wouldn't happen today.
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Don't get Bill Mad with only a couple scenes.
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Why isn't Drake May the star?
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What happened there? I also wrote down Creedence Clearwater revival, Jenny Bell, greatest ex-wife of all time, and Bob Cousy. You'd sooner believe that Cousy was an actor they taught to play basketball than the other way around. Cousy's very good.
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Cousy's very good as an actor.
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That's also a shot at his form, though, I got to say. It's a little Stanley from The Office, not going to lie.
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What were you surprised by the ending? Don't ignore that. Address it.
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No, I think you, I think it needed to happen. I think, um, it's one of the only sports movies I can remember that doesn't end on the big game and the actual games don't really have too big of an impact on the movie.
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It's impressive that the basketball is so good considering that the basketball is not that essential to the film and it doesn't end. I mean, the end of the movie is the first game of the season, which I can't remember when that's happened. Um, So I thought the ending really worked for me. Also, did you guys do a better title? I think there's a better title for this movie.
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I think it's Friends of the Program.
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Friends of the Program is good, but then it reorients the movie around the friends of the program and not really the players, which is what the movie is essentially about.
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What about where the dolphins swim?
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And UNLV Duke was kind of that and then the Weber timeout game. The Leitner shot. There are all these like beats. Hank Gathers dying was like probably the biggest.
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Did they say blue chips in the movie? No. I feel like they should have. It's the rare time when I think they should have said, like, we need to get some blue chips on this.
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But I'll be honest with you. The title of this movie is how I understood what that meant.
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Yeah, I think I'm good with the title, but I like Friends of the Program pretty good.
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They should make a movie called Friends of the Program that's oriented around, like a movie about happy and those types would be super duper interesting.
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I think you needed an extra scene that then set up the title. Where if you have, if they're going like, we need to get guys in the top 10. We need top 10 recruits again. We need blue chippers. And then you call it top 10 and it's like, we got three top 10 blue chippers or the blue chippers. Somebody says that at some point. I'm down with that.
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I also just like when great directors make movies that are outside their typical what you would expect of them. Like I almost wish there were prerequisites like in college where where directors had to make every kind of movie before they could choose a major. Like the guy who just made The Exorcist doing a basketball movie is really cool.
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And I think I think it's why visually it is a little bit more unique than typical sports movies.
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It's not just The Exorcist that he made, Craig. He also made Cruising. Yeah.
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Um, and then white Lotus last of us is coming. A lot of good stuff. Yeah. Van higher learning, higher learning midnight boys.
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So there's this. We haven't done French Connections, so this is our third freaking. I think there's a fourth one. We haven't done To Live and Die in L.A. yet. I love.
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I'm just saying I love it.
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It's out on 4K Blu-ray. Well, you know, Mulaney's kind of bringing it back to the Netflix show. He basically ripped out the opening credits.
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Do you know that Jenny Bell is Apex Mountain for ex-wives in a movie? She basically gives up her personal life to crush tape. She lets you come over after the game to blow off steam and drink, and she recruits students for you for free.
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What year is Fab Five? Is that 90?
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It's weird because... I mean, she's basically doing everything for him except giving up the pussy. She does more than Freddie. It would take too long to get her clothes off.
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She's wearing like five different pieces of clothing.
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Shirt, a sweater, a jacket. She's still so involved. He can ask her for anything except for physical affection.
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Fab Five started in 91. So this comes after Fab Five, right? I got, well, I'll save, I have a Fab Five thing for this, but we also have Friedkin directing.
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It's like they're still married. It's the era of the wet blanket sports movie girlfriend slash wife.
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Starting with Adrienne. Yeah.
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um she's not a wet blanket though i don't know they try not to make her the wet blanket but then at the end when she's super disappointed and oh she definitely becomes a wet blanket she wet blankets it up but she's kind of justified because she's the only person with a soul in the movie i was gonna ask you we didn't really do big kahuna burger craig but uh would you like it if like basically everybody from work went to the same restaurant every night yeah hell yeah
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And I walked in one night with like two ladies.
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Craig, she's a friend. These guys are fans of the fantasy pod. These guys love hyphens. They got first in their fantasy league.
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If we were all at the bar together, who would be the person that walked in with two ladies on their arms? Brian Curtis.
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That's always the answer. He's a friend of the program. He's a friend of the program.
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Craig, really glad you liked that movie. Love it. Don't forget, people listening, we're coming to Boston for a sold-out show, and we're doing a first-ever Rewatchables Film Festival at the historic Coolidge Corner all weekend, Friday, March 28th through the March 30th. We're going to make a couple appearances. Yeah. But we're playing all the hits, man. We're showing Heat. We're showing The Town.
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We're showing Good Will Hunting. We're showing Friends of Eddie Coyle. A couple of old school ones. The Verdict.
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So these are all Boston based movies?
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Oh, they're Boston or heist movies.
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Are you guys going to be showing the HBO Max documentary of Murder in Boston? That would be good for the future.
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We're showing all seasons of Oz.
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Marathon. All the Rick Fox episodes of Oz.
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I just want to say to the people of Boston, if there is in fact any pickup basketball happening around 10 p.m., Bill is happy to come and coach. 10 p.m. Yeah.
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Which was a big deal for the movie nerds. And I was like becoming a movie nerd, but didn't really fully understand the impact of how weird that would be to have this guy who did the French connection and the exorcist. We just knew he was a good director. Didn't have a shitload of history.
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Or have Bob Cousy shoot free throws so you guys can be amazed.
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My dad is incredibly pumped for the verdict. How many of the movies do you think Dr. Bill is going to see? over under is four and a half. Okay. He doesn't have a lot going on. The guy got the new puppy Celtics are away. What kind of dog got, got another golden. That's what I'm talking about.
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Um, guess what? It might've been a mistake. Cause he's 77 and the dog wakes up three times a day to pee. He's got scratches all over him. And it's like, I don't know if we should have done this. Um, But yeah, Coolidge Corner, one of my favorite. Do you ever actually live there?
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Yeah, I lived in Brooklyn for a year.
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The best. So we'll see you. Visit TheRinger.com slash events for showtimes. ticket information. You've never been to Boston, man. Not really. You've been through it? Yeah, a little bit. You know what Boston has appreciated? Your shots. Your shots at the city.
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At the city? The little... The needles. I'm sure that Boston is a... You would love Boston. ...is a fine place. Boston would love you. I just have to keep you honest, man. I believe it. Because the agenda is so crazy. Well, you know what? Today you guys went too far with Bob Cousy. Yeah. I said he won the movie for me.
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I said he won the movie for me. When I said Nick Nolte, you looked at me like, what a cuck. I can't believe you're saying that.
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He's the star of the movie. I just think Shaq clearly wins the movie. Bob Cousy makes like, and by the way, the free throws, even though he's shooting them, it's impressive, but come on, man.
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The free throws did not impress me at all. Is that bad? That didn't even cross my mind.
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Also, Cousy, maybe not a great scene partner. He's not letting Nick Nolte shoot.
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I'm done with this podcast.
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But obviously has a pretty dim opinion of humanity. You know what I mean? Like, I think it's like, we are all basically like corrupt hustlers.
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Yeah. But love basketball. There's this crazy backstory with him where he was this massive Celtics fan and had a chance to buy the Celtics in the end of the late 70s.
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There's this guy, Irv Levin, who ended up switching franchises with John Y. Brown.
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Freaking could have been schism.
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Irv Levin. John Y. Brown owned the Clippers. Irv Levin owned the Celtics. Irv Levin didn't want to own the Celtics anymore because he couldn't deal with Red Auerbach and the fans were mean to him because he didn't live in Boston. And Friedkin was this huge Celtic fan. He's like, I'll let you buy one third of the team and you can run it. And Friedkin was like a famous director. You can read that.
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He tells the whole story and he's really thinking about, should I do this? And then ultimately decided not to do it. They switched franchises. That's how the Clippers end up moving to LA. John Y. Brown sells, and we get Larry Bird.
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Did you ever hate freaking?
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No, but I had no idea until I did the research what a massive fan he was, and it's why Koozie's in this.
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Yeah, because he was friends with Koozie. Like, he asked Koozie for advice, and then... spoiler alert koozie wins the movie like this is an all-time incredible bob koozie a natural actor yeah yeah and he has the free throw scene uh cr is this a nick nolte movie a jt walsh movie or a shack movie for you it's a nolte movie okay
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I think the two things in my mind that I keep turning over about what ifs with this movie are what if somebody different played Pete Bell and what if Ron Shelton had directed it? I think if Shelton directs it, it probably has a lot more humor.
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Thank you. Lots of stuff going on. Lots of political news. Lots of news in the superhero space. Great pod that we did just recently. Me, Sean, Joe, CR. What was the pod?
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And there's a little bit more warmth to it. And I think Nolte is perfectly cast because these coaches do have this kind of like irascible, never happy vibe to them. Like, you never saw Boeheim smile. You never see Tom Izzo really smile until the end of the season. Like, these guys are always screaming. They're always coaching. And Nolte really brings that out.
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I don't know what it would have been like if Redford had been Pete Bell or something.
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Yeah, in a weird way, it's almost the most realistic possible version of this.
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It's interesting because he's obviously doing his Bobby Knight thing, right? In which he shadowed Bobby Knight.
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You know what it is? What? It's Bobby Knight crossed with Jack Cates.
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Oh, there you go. Ah, this sucks.
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But there's something else. I'm giving my girlfriend the high hard one. But I'm here.
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Jerk off, loser like you. But there's something else that we never got to see from Bobby Knight. Every time we saw Bobby Knight, he was either being kind of a rascal, very humorous, picking at people, or being a guy who was right on the edge of being too intense and then obviously crossed over that edge.
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Later on. But they do something in this movie where they show you times where Pete has to humble himself, where he has to like contend with the fact that he doesn't have a handle on his team anymore. He has to kind of ask his ex-wife for some ass a little bit and get rejected. Like they kind of knock him off the perch of all powerful college basketball coach.
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And that is why the character works. Yeah.
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You can just walk around, apparently, in this part of L.A. where the university is. Just have a walk back home to your house. There's no people anywhere. What part of L.A. is this? Where is this?
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It's something that's like, it's UCLA, but it looks more like USC, but it also looks like Louisiana.
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It was about the state of the MCU and superhero movies.
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It's a giant arena that has no parking lots and no parking and just houses right outside and no people.
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The interesting thing is, you probably could walk home if you're the coach of UCLA, but You definitely can't walk home if you're the coach of SC. Right. So you definitely don't want to be walking around down there. But I always thought it was supposed to be UCLA because of the colors and all of that. But they're on SC. Yeah.
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Oh, really? James Fray? Yeah. James Fray? Yeah.
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Don't even play like that, because people will believe that.
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Give the context about Raj.
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And he's like, you're racist too. Yeah, exactly. Same thing.
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I literally wrote down 72-year-old rich white man because those are all the people that voted for this movie at the Oscars. Yeah, that's true. It's so validating for every old rich white dude. Correct.
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I would like the locks changed again in the morning. And you know what? You might mention that we'd appreciate it if next time they didn't send a gang member. A gang member? Yes, yes.
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You mean that kid in there?
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Yes, the guy in there with the shaved head, the pants around his ass, the prison tattoo.
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Those are not prison tattoos.
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Oh, really? And he's not going to go sell our key to one of his gangbanger friends the moment he is out our door?
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‘Crash’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Joanna Robinson
We've had a really tough night. I think it would be best if you just went upstairs right now.
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‘Crash’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Joanna Robinson
And what, wait for them to break in? I just had a gun pointed in my face.
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‘Crash’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Joanna Robinson
And it was my fault because I knew it was going to happen. But if a white person sees two black men walking towards her and she turns and walks in the other direction, she's a racist, right? Well, I got scared and I didn't say anything. And ten seconds later, I had a gun in my face.
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Now, I am telling you, your amigo in there is gonna sell our key to one of his homies, and this time it'd be really fucking great if you acted like you actually gave a shit!
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Have you noticed the... This is weird for a white guy to say, but have you noticed he's talking a lot less black lately?
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Like in this scene? He was supposed to say, don't be talking about that. And he changed it to, don't talk to me about that.
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People don't talk about Gravity.
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You know what I'm saying? It's karma, man. I know, but like... And she had a lesson to learn. Why did she fall down the stairs?
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It's just... You know? That's the kind of thing... She needed a scene with the maid.
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Are you talking about the one where she comes to his work?
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Oh, after. I agree. I don't like that scene. I think the bedroom fight is good.
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But there's R and there's Hard R. It's like borderline NC-17. You know, that was something I never knew was a thing.
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Hard R. Hard R? I heard somebody say Hard R for a movie. Hard R's a thing. What are you saying? You can't say it. I didn't make it up.
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I agree. I just didn't know Hard R was ever a way to describe an R-rated movie.
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It would have been fantastic. Genuinely great.
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I don't know that I've ever seen him play a role like that.
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‘Crash’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Joanna Robinson
As the gun store owner. That's mine.
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Yes. You can barely see them nipples. Scrooge is my favorite Christmas movie. I remember that, yeah. You could better see the nipples.
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A lot of choices for Bradley Cooper.
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I don't think. You don't think so? Craig, Cruise? I like Cruz in this. This movie is kind of like a Magnolia type movie. You could even just get Cruz's character from Magnolia, jam him into this movie.
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He just knows how to sell people. Not his first rodeo. Not his first human trafficking. Is this a real human being? I would think.
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Yeah, he's got to go back to work.
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And the Academy specifically.
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Yeah. I thought this was like the best movie I've seen in 10 years. I'm completely lying. I was about to say, bro. What the shit? No, no. You know that meme that's like, my expectations were low, but holy fuck? Yeah. That is how I felt. I thought this would at least have something I could kind of grab onto. I thought this was a horrible movie. What was the worst part of this horrible movie for you?
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‘Crash’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Joanna Robinson
Uh... Honestly, how unsubtle it is and how lack of nuance there is. Just, I don't know, shocking at 2005. Maybe that was a terrible time. You know what's funny is I do think the movie, if it were to come out now, I kind of think it would still be really successful. I think this movie would still make a lot of money amongst a certain crowd. Because it's kind of like if a Facebook post was a movie.
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Like there's that kind of Facebook pseudo-intellectual... Like, warped sentimental bullshit that I think a lot of people would like.
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You couldn't make it with any of the big names or anything like that, but what was that, what was that movie that came out a couple years ago, that religious movie that was, that did really well? You talking about God's Not Dead? No, it was about, like, the, like, Sound of Freedom.
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Yeah, but I think there's a world in which it catches fire in that way because of that kind of side of society.
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I can't believe every actor.
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I can't believe every actor read the script and was like, yeah. This is an awesome choice for me in my career right now.
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I could see how in the moment, if you're an impressionable young person and you go see this movie, like your 10 minute regret thing, I could even see it being like a year long regret. I'm surprised Ebert didn't walk it back because he usually does when he has bad takes. But you can see how in the moment somebody could walk away being like, this felt important.
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TV shows were coming on.
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I thought the Cambodian children part, I was like, all right, we've gone one step too far. We didn't need that. That's what broke you. I was like, what are we doing at this point?
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Cambodian children and women in it. I'm like, all right, Paul, come on here.
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million dollar baby million dollar baby also i love that the only character he didn't redeem was that was the store owner the persian guy like he didn't like he was like oh god saved me for i think he had as much redemption as matt dylan where they they're just sort of like christmas in la but haggis tried to redeem matt dylan even though it was ridiculous like he didn't even try to redeem what was the redemption for the store they're getting rid of the gun
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Yeah, he tried to kill him.
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That shot is also, the two shots they use in the promotion of this, like when you're Googling this movie, is the Tandy Newton in Matt Dillon's arms and then Michael Payne's dream. Crash, coming Friday. I would watch Amelia Perez 20 times in a row before I watch Crash again.
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I did think the kid was going to die.
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no it's just but then you re-watch it knowing the girl's gonna be safe terrence howard's gonna be safe and you're just sort of like well it's just lawrence tate and we don't really care this movie won best picture i'm telling you man i don't know what movie i'd rather watch than or i wouldn't rather watch than this like like the room tommy why so i would watch that well that's just fun i would watch anything over this yeah liz came in halfway through and was like what is going on like every five minutes this is like ridiculously over the top racist interaction
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I just had a gun pointed in my face.
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Experience the most provocative and powerful movie of the year. We need his man here. He dies. I promise I'm going to find out who did this. Hebert and Rupert give Crash two thumbs way up. You had a conversation with God, huh? What did God say? One of the best films of 2005. What did you do? Crash. Rated R. In theaters everywhere Friday.
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The shot of the clouds behind the Devil's Tower.
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I couldn't figure out, like, did they add those clouds?
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My family has a dog door, so how dare you? Which family? My parents. They still have a dog door? Yeah, but it goes to the backyard where it's fenced in. Oh, well, that's acceptable.
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Right.
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Well, I guess. I mean, there's all the doors.
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Didn't we do like 10 minutes on cereal for one movie?
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We haven't confirmed anything for our planet that something has come to this.
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Which, Melinda Dillon in, is it Melissa or Melinda?
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Melinda in Christmas Story and this. She's probably in the two most iconic mashed potato scenes in movies. Right, no question.
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Sorry, sorry.
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The countdown to species has begun. Yeah. Was this the first time in a major popular movie that they showed aliens? No. No.
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Can I go hottest take? Yeah. Yeah. The... the musical communication back and forth scene between the mothership and the humans. It works for the five notes and then it completely loses you and it's just kind of awkward and weird. Once the spaceship starts playing the tuba for like 10 minutes and they're just like riffing like jazz musicians... Liz and I were laughing.
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And I've seen this movie before. But yeah, Spielberg got a little... He was doing tricks on it, as the kids said.
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Steve got over his skis.
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Steve and John Williams didn't know what they were doing. When the brass instruments start coming out, I'm like, all right. Just a couple notes from old dog door here.
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I'm removing the music from Close Encounter.
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Uh, Hanks.
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He's also making another UFO film right now.
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That we didn't talk about. Chasing Ghosts.
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Craig? My tube of thoughts aside, I do love this movie. You feel shame? I do. I love this movie. Spielberg is my... After watching this, it just reconfirmed why Spielberg is my favorite director. I still think he just makes movies... like Spielberg movies are what movies are supposed to be. He makes the platonic ideal of movies to me.
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Like they are how you are supposed to feel after watching something. Like there's no better feeling than the first shot of a Spielberg movie. Like you see the camera coming down, you just like feel it. Um, And I actually think this movie does not resonate super hard with my generation or has not endured the same way other Spielberg films have. And I honestly think it's because he made E.T.
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too soon after this. Like if he just waited 15 years after Close Encounters to make E.T., I think Close Encounters is a way bigger movie for people my age.
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And I just think if you're a parent and you want to show your kid an alien movie, you're picking E.T.
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Yeah, I love that stuff. Okay, good. Great to hear. It killed.
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I watched Curb, so I remember her from Curb. But the first time I really saw her in a movie was when we did True Lies.
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I thought she was kind of like, honestly, a replaceable character in that. Like you could have probably slotted a lot of people in. I thought she was awesome in this. I assumed she was lip syncing, but watching the film, I was like, man, she's doing either the best lip syncing job I've ever seen or she's actually singing. I thought she was awesome and had great comedic timing.
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I think there's a lot of YouTube shows that I think have propelled people to fame. What's funny is Kyle Mooney and Beck Bennett, who went on to be on SNL, were almost doing their own version of Wayne's World in San Diego on YouTube in the 2000s.
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And they would have this awkward humor television show where they would go around and do local San Diego things, and then that got them famous and took them to SNL. I'm sure it was Wayne's World inspired. That's cool.
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All right. In the spirit of this movie, I'm going to, I'm going to go with something kind of stupid and silly, uh, that Wayne and Garth would respect. And it's, uh, the big Kahuna burger award for best use of food or drink. I love Garth in the background of a scene, drinking a jelly donut out of a straw. Uh, That's good. I thought that was very innovative. I've never seen that before.
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I thought it was a great sound effect. I would have loved that when I was 14 and I loved it now. That's a great call.
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So I'm a huge SNL fan, as you can see by my hat. Nice. Um, I have seen the Wayne's World sketches plenty of times. I had never seen the movie. So I think that shows that I probably more likely than not would like it. This movie is super ambitious. I'm pretty sure I didn't get 70% of the jokes in this movie. And yet everyone in it is so likable. I thought Mike Myers is incredible. So, so charming.
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it's funny man the style of humor is like it's it's basically a foreign film now to young people like those like high level bits the practical jokes that are secretly intellectual um the cultural references i had a fantastic time this movie was hilarious and it worked and it shouldn't have but it completely did and i actually think there's a world in which now i think movies want to stay away from from cultural references because they want it to last forever yeah
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But I almost think it makes them worse. And this movie is so stuck in the early nineties. It's so dated that I think it almost comes back around and like works again.
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Um, my favorite jokes in the sketches and in this movie is the, is the over the top intellectual moments that don't make any sense with the Alex, Alice Cooper thing. Yeah. There's a great one in, on SNL with, uh, Aerosmith where they're talking about like communism. Yeah. And it's just, that, that is exactly my type of humor. I think it's hilarious. That's my favorite.
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Yeah, are we in late stage communism? Do you think it's going to come back? And like the drummer from Aerosmith has a very nuanced response.
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I don't know. I mean, most of them don't work. It's hard to turn a sketch into a film. I grew up with like... Stefan and the Californians were probably the two biggest ones that you could have tried to make into a movie. It'd be interesting to ask Lauren. Bill, when you interviewed Lauren, did you ask about SNL movies that never were, that almost were?
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Enough. There's also just nobody doing character work anymore that gets turned into a movie. The only person who's trying to revive it is Tim Robinson, who was briefly on SNL, but he's the only guy doing that weird character stuff, and he has a movie coming out with Paul Rudd that looks really funny.
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I have two more thoughts. One will make you mad. The other is agnostic. I'll start with the easy one first. It's funny that the life lesson of this movie is to never sell out. I think that's completely opposite now. I think the goal as a content creator, as an artist for young people is to sell out.
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The goal is like, how can I make art that's so good that I can sell Coca-Cola in an ad on TikTok and Instagram? It's just funny how it's completely the other way around where you've made it once you can sell out. That's the goal. People are impressed when you sell out.
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And then the thing that's going to make you upset is, and I've kind of always felt this way, but I think it's worse in the movie. I don't think Garth is that funny. Okay. Why?
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I think Myers is unbelievable. And I think in short spurts, Garth works a lot better in the sketches. In the movie, and I think it's a little bit of why Carvey, I don't know. The roles he takes... Garth is just a little too... I mean, he's like borderline not all there. He's just too developmentally challenged. Uh-huh. He needs to be 20% more competent.
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The bits are just... Can you call 911?
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It never bothered me as much in the sketches, but in the movie, I think it hurts a little more.
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‘Wayne’s World’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt
No. I mean, I like Wayne's World more than Blues Brothers. Blues Brothers is weird. It's like super bloated. And a lot of the scenes are like really quiet and awkward. It's one of those movies where I actually think it's funnier to talk about afterwards than to watch. Like in the moment, I was kind of like, okay.
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But then listening to you guys talk about it, I was like, oh, actually, situationally, it's hysterical. But it doesn't really hit you with laugh out loud moments for me for the first time.
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It's a charming movie. All the cultural references and stuff, even if they don't last the test of time, the movie still really works.
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Yes. I was like, they're doing some sitcom parody. I don't know. Right. Okay. You liked it though. Yeah. Yeah. I respected it.
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Yeah. It was, it was borderline like a submarine pitching almost.
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I just like you guys went to a casino in a Super Bowl city.
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No, I was at Shaboosie. I'm addicted to craps now, so that's a problem. Okay.
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‘The Blues Brothers’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
He better pray the police get to him before we do. Dan Aykroyd. John Belushi. The Blues Brothers. A musical comedy rated R. Now playing at a theater near you.
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Yeah. I think also it just underscores that Saturday night live at the beginning is It was a variety show. Yeah. It wasn't 14 sketches consecutively. It was something a little different than that. And something like this, which isn't, like, there are no jokes.
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And yet there's something kind of entrancing about what they're doing where you're almost like waiting for it to be something other than them just singing a Sam and Dave song. But then you get to the end and you're like, that was cool.
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It had like bits inside of it that you were trying to figure out what they were doing and why they were doing it. But it was also really, because of Ackroyd, it was so sincere. Yeah. I mean, he really like just loves the blues and blues history. Like really loves it.
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Hall of Fame sidemen. They're in the conversation for the best sidemen guitarists of all time.
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Yeah, Adam Costello. There's a lineage of it in American comedy before that.
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But it's not as common as it was. Because of vaudeville, it was a thing that vaudeville really pushed where you were coming out for teams and teams had routines that you liked that they did for years together. And they're riffing on that.
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But like based on characters that are in the show, I think it's nine total.
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I think Wayne's World is really good. I think Wayne's World is more of a coherent movie. It's weird because I think this is a better movie, but Wayne's World is funnier. How about this?
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Well, I'll take both when they issue Blues Brothers on 4K. Are you going to do an update on your habits? Yeah, you're slipping down the rabbit hole.
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And? How did it look? Fantastic. Can I make a case? Okay, so I'm glad you brought this up. Really good. Obviously, you know I love to talk about this. I watched the movie on Blu-ray. I don't own it on 4K. And then I watched the bonus material, like I always do when we do these pods. And the bonus material was all converted from VHS.
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And I was like, it looks better this way.
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This is a movie. Now, not all movies from the 70s and 80s are like this, but this is a movie that feels right to me in VHS. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like, I don't feel that way about Predator. Like, some people would say, oh, Predator is like that. I saw it on VHS for the first time.
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That's the only time he was a true powerhouse in the industry.
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Ferris Bueller is a pretty good one.
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But that's like, I do kind of miss that vibe in movies. Yeah. Where it was like, this guy showed up for a day. That's the guy who does Miss Piggy and then there's a Miss Piggy joke 20 minutes later.
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Did you guys go into depth on Ackroyd when you did Trading Places? Did you have an Ackroyd segment? I don't know if we did.
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I think we talked a lot more about him. He's so interesting. He really is. He has this... crazy brain and this amazing career, and he's still alive, and he's still showing up in Ghostbusters movies, and he's still selling Crystal Skull vodka, and he's clearly a one-of-one. I mean, there's never been anybody like him in movies. He is a Canadian. But, like, he also...
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When you watch the Reitman movie, you know, he's got Dylan O'Brien playing him, who's, like, a young, handsome guy. And, like, it's legit. You know, he's, like, kind of the hunk of that show. But we know him as, I don't know, Ray from Ghostbusters. You know, goofball nerd guy.
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He's in that... He's in a great lineage of kinds of SNL guys that I love. Like, Hader, like Phil Hartman.
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Had their own idea, had their own characters, were good at impressions, and were like, their brains were traps. And really, really good partners. And also sold people. Like, would do straight man, but also would do Julia Child. You know what I mean? Like, he could do all that. He's so interesting to me.
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I actually got that done for the show too.
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If you could have, you would have done the line off of the Blu-ray.
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Yeah. The trade machine is the ringer speakeasy. People would line up for that.
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That's like a Fast and Furious movie now.
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Do you know it was right above the Blues Brothers that year at number nine? What? It also had the word blue in its title. The Blue Lagoon. Oh, yeah. So funny how some movies are remembered and others are forgotten, you know, in that time.
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A little bit of an overread there. They're on a mission from God. They're pulling a fantasy there, yeah.
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Landis in the middle of an amazing run of movies.
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Coming to America. Yeah. Of the top 10 movies that you're talking about this year at the box office, seven of them are comedies. That's very different than how things are now.
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master of the comic set piece from that period of time. Obviously, his career is seen in a completely different light because of the tragic events in the Twilight Zone movie, but I think he often, despite not having the nicest reputation as a person, got the best out of complicated comedy figures, including Belushi, including Eddie Murphy. Like, he really got... Chubby. Chubby.
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He got really, like, their best movie performances most of the time. You know, Three Amigos. Like, he really... captured something very special in them. And I think part of it was because he created a lot of chaos. And those people are good in chaotic environments.
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In 75, when they started the show, how did you become aware of it if you weren't allowed to stay up?
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In this movie... He takes it to a level of art that is so funny and exciting.
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Totally. But through the first half of the movie, there's a part of me that is like, this is kind of boring. Just to make us sit through yet another car chase. But by the time the car goes into the truck, I'm like, this is genius.
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You want me to tell my relationship to this movie?
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When I was 16 years old, my uncle was an executive at Seagram's. And Seagram's was owned at that time Vivendi Universal. And 1998 is the year of Blues Brothers 2000. Unfortunately. For my 16th birthday, Chris has heard me tell this story many times. He lived in California and he flew me to Los Angeles for my 16th birthday. He was my godfather. And we went to the premiere of Blues Brothers 2000.
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and went to the after party, and I met the entire cast. And that was the moment when I was like, I have to move to Los Angeles. Like, I have to be here. I was already obsessed with movies. And I watched the Blues Brothers like five times before seeing Blues Brothers 2000. So I was like, I got to get ready. Like, I got to prep.
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Yeah, you never know. But, you know, I was just really, really excited. And we didn't know that Blues Brothers 2000 was going to be such a fiasco. Like, there was kind of anticipation for it. And it's a sad one. The movie is really rough, but you would never know at the after party at the after party.
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It was like, we did it once again, another masterpiece from Dan Aykroyd and John Landis furthering this legacy of this franchise. But so I got the movie in my bloodstream because of that. And I was 15 going on 16 when I was watching it and getting obsessed with it. So that was going to be my answer for that question.
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I think it's probably a little tough to watch this after 30 for the first time.
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That's also like what's the wrong age to watch this movie for the first time is an interesting counter question.
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Yeah. I've got Jake's Epiphany written down here. I feel like that's an iconic moment from the movie.
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Oh, yeah, for the handsprings, for sure.
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I do feel like malls are simultaneously exactly the same and completely different. There's something really janky about malls in the 1980s. They're not like that anymore.
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Paul Rubens.
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Right. They compress it where you've got like all of a sudden the fry cook comes out of the back in the restaurant and is like, he's in the band too. We didn't get the individual origin stories.
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I don't know.
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I always think of him with I Need Some Money from Blue Chips. That's like a very famous scene.
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That's John Lee Hooker's song, yeah.
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We got two honkies out there dressed like Hasidic diamond merchants. Say what? They look like they're from the CIA or something. What they want to eat? The tall one wants... White bread, toast, dry, with nothing on it. Elwood. And the other one wants four whole fried chickens and a Coke. And Jake, sit the blues, brother.
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The dried white toast bit throughout the whole movie always cracks me up.
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It don't take too much IQ to see what you're doing to me. You better think. Think. Think about what you're trying to do to me. I don't think. Think. Think. Let your mind go. Let yourself be free. Oh, freedom. Freedom. Freedom.
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John Lee Hooker was recorded live, and I think he was the only singer who was recorded live for the entire movie. Right. That makes sense.
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Excuse me. I don't think there's anything wrong with the action on this piano.
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Well, I heard about the fella you've been dancing with All over the neighborhood So why didn't you ask me, baby? Didn't you think I could? Well, I know that the boogaloo is out of sight, but the shingling's a thing tonight.
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outdoor choreographed dance sequence right in front of the L train.
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I was just going to say this is perfect for Sheridan recaps.
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It's 106 miles to Chicago. We got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes. It's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. Hit it.
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I'm going to say Ray's Music Exchange. Okay. And here's why. I think Ray Charles is the best actor who's not an actor in the movie. And he has comic timing, which we later learned watching Pepsi commercials in the 90s. And that feels the most like a musical sequence, not just because of the dancing that you're talking about, but because they really do need instruments from him.
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It's central to the movie plot. Now, it's not as fun as the car chase stuff, but... I love the song that is played. I love the dancing and I love the comedy. So that's my pick.
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Yeah. Mine is related to that, which is just an R&B musical car chase movie about two white felons. Like, I don't think that would get made today.
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That's not the... You know, that reminds me of 1980. Yeah.
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I got some incredible takes about that one. I've decided that I do want to talk about that. Okay, we'll save it. We'll save it, yeah.
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Yeah. That was really funny. I don't think I got that when I was a kid.
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Such a perfect thing to happen the year of Empire Strikes Back. She's not the damsel in distress. She's the destroyer.
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I don't know why I clocked that, but watching it this time, I did clock it that the poster that is in Elwood's apartment is Colleen Camp from Apocalypse Now. She plays one of the Playboy bunnies.
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But in researching this, excuse me, that I was researching this, in researching this, I learned, and I don't think this is apocryphal, I think it's true, that it was Linda Carter from Wonder Woman who was originally cast in the role that Colleen Camp was cast in. In Apocalypse. In Apocalypse Now.
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She went to the set of the movie and she filmed scenes, but Hurricane Olga hit during the production of Apocalypse Now. So she had to leave because they closed down the production because the production closed down many times during the making of that movie. She goes back, and when she goes back, she gets cast in the TV series Wonder Woman. So she's not available to be in this movie.
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So Colleen Camp gets recast in this part. Thing is, by the time they recast, they had already done the Playboy photo shoot with Linda Carter. So a very – I learned all this last night, I promise you – A very rare piece of movie memorabilia is the original poster of Linda Carter in the centerfold.
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And Colin Camp is also shot in the exact same pose, background, styling, everything in the centerfold that appears in this movie.
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It just said sold on the site that I found. So I don't know. But Bill, if you want to try to contact me... Sold to me! I thought that was a great movie arcana.
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There's a lot of Linda Carter prop memorabilia stuff out there. All time.
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I think also just SNL converting characters to movies.
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It really paved the way for a huge thing that became a big part of the show in the 90s.
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It's weird how much this movie is instrumental to his legacy too because he just didn't make very many movies. Yeah. You know, ultimately when you look back on his career, like the body of work is Pretty small, in part because he died so young, but he just didn't, because he was on that show from 75 to 78, he was just on the show.
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I got the trooper going into the truck.
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Yeah. There's a few people who are eligible for this award. Also, maybe for the next award. But let me ask you this.
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Are the Blues Brothers good at blues music? They're good at R&B.
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Yeah. I know it's like electric blues, but they're not singing Muddy Waters songs really. They're singing like Sam and Dave songs. They're singing. Yeah.
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Which is obviously not what blues musicians do. Yeah. You know, Sean, they're entertainers. That's fair. They just, they called themselves the Blues Brothers.
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I guess so, yeah. I guess it was, are they good at their job? They were good at entertaining, but were they great at blues music? Are we sure that Burton Mercer was good at his job? The parole officer?
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The Nazis, the rednecks, and the cops?
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Right. Could have made it just all three of them, you know, redneck Nazi cops.
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That would be good.
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I'll hit you with my Blues Mobile.
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It's a bummer. He would have been the keyboardist. But he's like, you know... He clearly, with Ackroyd, they handpicked all the side guys.
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He did okay for himself, ultimately, but yeah.
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We love when Hartman shows up in So I Married an Ex-Murderer, right?
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Everyone here calls me Vicky.
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It's just dumb as hell, too. We're already coming off of car wash and movies like that that obviously a lot of people went to go see. So, I don't know.
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I think the entire band is a little over their skis here.
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I already fired off my Playboy magazine poster for the criteria orgasm. Which I just, you know, I'm happy to share another criteria orgasm here on the show. I'm really honored. You know, I just had one. How did it look?
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But yeah, I just can't, I couldn't believe that poster was on that wall in Elwood's house.
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I love having her in the movie though.
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The sequel invalidates this movie's standing as the greatest SNL-related movie of all time because Wayne's World 2 is solid and Wayne's World is great. Okay. That's my hot take. And honestly, MacGruber's in the conversation, in my opinion. Wow.
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Yeah. So I think for somebody like me, when I see... I don't know, Chris Farley, Jack Black, Will Ferrell, like all of the guys who are in the lineage of what Belushi started or carved out.
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How good would your columns have been?
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A little concerning for me. Sir, I'm sorry, but you've been using coffee your entire life?
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They're like super physical, like very emotionally animated, but also kind of like balletic and had like theater background. You know, like that weird combination of this guy's a maniac, but he's a real artist at the same time. And charismatic. Super charismatic. So when he hit, were people like, there's never been anything like this before? No.
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Like a professionally famous cute girl.
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I think it's more like, um, like an Addison Rae type or something, you know, TikTok star.
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I learned on that telecast. Yeah.
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If you're a movie fan, like a hardcore movie fan, he's not. You know it's Henry Gibson. I think he's probably a that guy.
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Oh, yeah? Who's that?
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I had Kathleen Freeman. Oh, it's the penguin. Yeah. I feel like she's been in a ton of stuff.
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Is Henry Gibson in it too much? Yeah, he's in it a little too much. Because he's going for it.
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In a big way. Um...
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You know? Like, you're like, wow. Paul Reubens?
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He's barely in it, though. He gets one scene, but he communicates the entire Paul Reubens experience that we will soon be getting in America.
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Can I do a recasting director idea? Yeah. I think if John Landis directs 1941 and Steven Spielberg directs The Blues Brothers, they're both better. That would have been a good hot take.
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Probably not. Does he ever direct Poltergeist? I mean, how dare you? Please, respect Tobey Hooper, please.
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This was a time too when directors were like, I don't care. I'm doing it. Yeah. And you couldn't stop them somehow. Like they would just spend and spend and you couldn't stop them.
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What would the movie be called? It would be like singing the blues. Just blues. Blues. Yeah, that's good.
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And then... You know, one thing to add about that, the crowds are just great. You know, like in some movies you're watching, these crowds are not selling it.
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But they're really selling how much they love Jake and Elwood in those sequences. People are standing up, they're dancing.
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So you're saying he was a coward, that man. He wouldn't show up. He wasn't expecting it. You've been in a car with Bill. What do you think of that?
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Your eyes just went very wide.
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Busy living or busy dying.
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There's another famous one, though. I was reading about it. What is the other famous one?
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Yes. This kind of set the template for that move.
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It's my emotional apex.
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I was, and I was so happy. It's one of my favorite episodes of all time.
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That's, you know, let's get on with this big romance! Oh, that's right. You did your whole thing about the diner date.
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I think Elvis in Vegas.
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Right, she's sex slave in Jedi.
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I saw it in the theater.
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That's a classic Bill take right there. Come on.
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Kind of the McHale and Parrish of the Star Wars universe.
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Imprinted on you.
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You shop there to this day.
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Probably the height of Rawhide as a television show. Yeah.
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Three of them. I think it's like a Dole Whip in that it's like somewhere between an ice cream and a drink. It's like an Orange Julius, right?
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Yeah, I think a lot of just Richard Pryor in the 70s is kind of in the conversation. Richard Pryor.
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It's more like... Live on the Sunset Strip, Richard Pryor is like him talking about being on cocaine and getting high and then what he did to himself.
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This is their apex over going platinum.
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That will not be ignored. Is Coming to America Landis' Apex Mountain?
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Isn't it Animal House? Yeah. All three of them are in a similar range box office-wise.
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Wait a minute, hold on. But we know Cruise knows how to do a back handspring because of the firm, just like Jake does in the movie.
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I don't think you could see that.
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I had four question marks. I'm not sure that any of these women make sense in this movie.
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No, call him right now. All right.
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I received a text from a friend today who said the most exciting moment in podcast listening he's had this year is hearing that we were going to call Ryan on Before Sunrise. And he was at the edge of his seat.
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This is the height of Walter Payton.
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Oh, Chicago guys.
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It's not a fucking cheeseburger.
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Yeah, I have some just questions about the money in general. So Ray lets them take out $1,400 in musical instruments on an IOU. Well, they say $1,400 is what they would return out of the $10,000. And $1,400 in 1980 is roughly like $100,000 right now. So he gave them a 100 grand IOU. I don't know if my conversion may be off. Let's just say for the sake of conversation, it's $50,000.
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He let them walk out with $50,000. It's a good friend. That's not ideal. On top of that, $5,000 in back taxes or the IRS is going to close an orphanage.
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I think so. So to premise the whole movie on this, we could have done a little better.
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How did nobody die at any of Carrie Fisher's? But the way that they did it is great because that was a mall that was closed and never reopened where they shot. The Dixie Square Mall had been closed for two years and they shot it in there while it was closed fully. But it had extras there, yeah.
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I'm ready for that one.
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Saxophone is standing on the countertop. Not what you want.
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That is a lot. Nine guys in the band. They had 400 beers. That's like Wade Boggs numbers.
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Well, unfortunately, there was a sequel, so.
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You can see my face, which I don't feel good about, but I'm happy to do here at the Ringer Podcast Network.
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You, me, them, everybody.
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The Nazis are falling, Jim! They're not going to make it! They're falling about 130 stories, Jim!
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The same energy that he brought to Mark Andrews dropping that pass.
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Probably not getting past Bobby D on that one, yeah.
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There's not a lot of cocaine use in the 70s in movies. Ever. It's a good point. The 80s and the 90s, it changes.
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Recruising? I'm in. I'm there.
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Who's buying Cruisin'?
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I'd be like, oh my God. You should get a- All the Hitchcocks.
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You should get a GoPro, but only put it on when you start surfing for Blu-rays. You know, when you're just like, do I add it to the cart? Do I not add it? Is $49.99 too much for me?
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Bill is one of the great collectors and I knew this would happen one day.
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Were we more okay with people's body odor 40 years ago?
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My nephews play hockey. It's not ideal.
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I... Why is the guy who invented deodorant not more of a saint? A hero? Yeah. Why is he not someone whose name we know?
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Maybe it was a woman.
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They like the man musk.
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Right place, right time. I still don't... I have some theories as to why it was a success, but I don't think not being there takes it away. Because to me, the success of this movie and Belushi's power is a little bit like hearing Orson Welles is the greatest dark hero of all time. Someone tells you that, someone tells me that when I'm 12, and I'm like, well, that just must be true.
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It's tough to eat. Yeah. Probably unanswerable to the point about the poster. Does this take place in the same universe as Apocalypse Now, this movie?
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Did he have a copy of Briefcase Full of Blues? What a sequel that would be. Yeah. Could be.
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Yeah. That would be fun. How many of these movies would Belushi have made if he'd lived?
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And kind of turned it... He wasn't, but I could be wrong about this. You're more of an expert on this sort of thing, but when he came back to the show, I think he put some things into his deal that anything that was an SNL-produced movie would be part of the universal agreement that they made, and Broadway Video would participate, and it would all be licensed through the show.
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Whereas this was not. Yeah.
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Right, he could have been the shield.
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When I went to the Blues Brothers 2000 premiere, they gave everybody a hat and Ray-Bans. And everybody wore them and looked ridiculous. And I did. And there's a photo of me wearing them. I look so stupid. But... you know, Elwood and Jake's hat and Ray-Bans would be a sick item of movie memorabilia.
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There's a kind of received wisdom about the greatness, and this is one of the only documents we have of the greatness. But then when I think about the movies that were really popular in the 70s, And I'm like, okay, so Smokey and the Bandit, Cannonball Run, before that Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. Some of those weird Burt Reynolds movies.
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One, pay your parking tickets. Yeah. I feel like they could have avoided a lot of problems if they'd done that. Two, I love that the sign in the prison at the end of the movie, it's never too late to mend. Yeah, that's what it says like in the letter above the prison. I feel like that's a good message to take away from this movie.
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There's a very, a little known Walter Hill movie called Crossroads. Not little known to this guy.
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Ralph Macchio and Joe Seneca about Robert Johnson and the history of blues. That is a cool movie. Yeah. And it is like, that's a movie about the real blues. This is a movie about modern blues.
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He just did a three-year bid. So he's a recidivist. Yeah. So that's held against him. I think we're talking about 10 to 15 years here.
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‘The Blues Brothers’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
Does he save the orphanage, though? You know, I think Blues Brothers 2000, doesn't it start with Jake getting out or with Elwood getting out? No, but that would be 18 years.
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The other thing I was thinking about last night is we are now further away from that movie than the sequel was from the original, which is like fucking devastating time-wise.
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Oh my God. Yeah. It's time to do Ghostbusters. It's time to do Ghostbusters.
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I'm with you. I agree. It's both of them.
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‘The Blues Brothers’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey
Those movies are like this movie where it's like cool person pops up every five minutes. You got a musical number, car chases, car crashes. It's like a variety show. Yeah. And it kind of has all the pieces that you're like, yeah, this is kind of what movie going was like. And it had the two stars from one of the biggest shows of that era. So it does make sense in that way.
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I don't fucking know. That's part of what makes this a fun one. It's a lot harder to make picks this year.
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Well, I would say the scandals are a little unpleasant. The movies are okay, but not knowing is exciting.
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You hit Coda hard. That was nice throw work from you.
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Well, to me right now, it's a complete unknown.
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Which is a movie that everybody likes, even if they don't love it, and has no scandal attached to it whatsoever, and has been a box office success.
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You can still get good odds on that movie right now. You can't get good odds on the other top three.
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Yeah. A lot of people may have it at two, three, four, maybe not as many at one, but that's what matters this year.
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And an incredible amount of cocaine.
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Singing in the Rain. I love The Wizard of Oz. I really love classic musicals. I am almost allergic to modern musicals. I think that this is a cool version of a musical. I think the people who made it, what did they describe it as? Oh, as a musical in camouflage, one of the producers said, which I thought was a cool way of describing it, which is like
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Yeah, there's a lot of musical numbers here, and the movie is basically a series of set pieces, like you said. But no one breaks out into song to explain the story.
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Which is something that a lot of people who don't like musicals tend to blanch at. What's your favorite musical?
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I feel like his iconography, though, is a little bit of an inaccurate representation of what kind of a performer he was, though.
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Because he's, like, actually a much more serious actor in almost everything that he's done. And even in this movie, this is not a Chris Farley performance.
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John Belushi. Jake Blue.
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I think you can see it even in, I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen Old Boyfriends. Yeah, Talia Shire. But that Talia Shire movie, which is directed by Joan Tewksbury, written by Paul Schrader.
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And he has like a, it's a funny part, but it's a really serious part. You know, like he obviously was drawn to a kind of
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Elwood Blues. The Blues Brothers. They smell bad.
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You're such a disappointing pair. You contemptible pig.
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‘Disclosure’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Wosny Lambre
And then when the, what was it? You said, is it the Scarlet Little or the Crucible or something like that? She was going for the Oscar. They were doing all of that stuff. She never quite got there. Oddly, she might get there now having sort of a Demi Moore resurgence as we talk about it now with The Substance and some other things. She's kind of back a little bit.
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‘Disclosure’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Wosny Lambre
She's back a little bit. She has two lines in the first four episodes of Landman, but is somehow second in the opening credits.
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That's why when Bill asked, she was on top of my mind because of the movie that's doing pretty well commercially, Landman. And then I had just watched her Hot Ones interview with... where she just eats these wings and she's like making fun of the dude the entire time.
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And I'm just like, wow, like this is a really charismatic actress who, you know, she's like 62 or something now who's like, you know, when they get to be that age, Hollywood kind of just, all right, granny, we're taking you to the side door type of thing. But like, she's back in a major way. And I'm like, we need more of this.
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Yeah, she... So, St. Elmo's... I had this as my hottest take. I'll just do it now. My favorite parts of hers were the St. Elmo's fire part and this part. Because I think they both leaned into this side that was really unique to her. Right? She's... There was a sexuality to her that not a lot... Kathleen Turner had it. Sharon Stone had it. But there weren't a lot of people that had it.
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And it was almost like she didn't want to unleash it in too many movies. Then when... Like, Striptease is like a terrible movie. Like... That's the thing. It's like a weird continuity comedy.
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I don't even know what it is. It was kind of the worst version of... utilizing someone's sexuality in the movie. The movie was a comedy. There was no actual heat to the movie. The nudity itself seemed like a stunt.
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Yeah, like shoehorning it in.
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Yeah, come to see your nude and there's not much movie left. Underrated film of hers that I really enjoyed, you left out A Few Good Men. Did you say A Few Good Men?
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I said it earlier, yeah.
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But like people, G.I. Jane was a very... Yeah. polarizing movie at that time but that also was a fantastic use of her physicality and her charisma because in that role she was she carried the entire movie early Viggo Mortensen yeah she's great in About Last Night
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There's movies that I think if, like, if you're going sliding doors, movies she could have been in that she would have been awesome in. I think she would have been awesome in both Terminators. Like, if she'd been in Terminator 1, she'd have been the perfect age. Terminator 2, I think she would have gotten jacked like Linda Hamilton did.
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‘Disclosure’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Wosny Lambre
There might not be another Rewatchables episode after this week, because we're about to do Disclosure, and I don't know what the hell's going to happen, but it's next.
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There's Kathleen Turner parts I think she would have been really good in. I think she would have been good in Romance in the Stone. I think she would have been good in War of the Roses. So, yeah, you look at her IMDb and it's, in a weird way, like, A Few Good Men, I think, is probably her worst performance in a great movie because that Joe Galloway part is just a mess.
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Yeah, it's tough. And it's crazy because her public life, she's such a big tabloid figure in terms of who she's dating. And then there's Ashton Kutcher. She's dating a younger guy. And that's like so much of the noise and the tabloid fodder around her is about her.
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You know, sexuality and that kind of thing. That was later on. Yeah.
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Well, I mean, when she starred Dave Bruce Willis, that was about as A-listy as it got for a celebrity couple until we had Brad and Angelina. I really liked her. I think... I think her and Douglas together, it made sense in the Douglas arc. Douglas was with Kathleen Turner, strong, confident, beautiful, great actress.
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Glenn Close, crazy, confident actor who actually turns out to be crazy in the movie. Sharon Stone, all-time irrational confidence performance. But he was always at his best kind of playing off really strong actors like that. But what was this movie actually about, I think is the real question. Because it's not a sexual harassment movie. It's actually this...
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corporate intrigue thing yeah and i think i had to see it like five times to understand what the plot actually was and i'm still not positive i understand it i think barry levinson um the director producer extraordinaire who's like i didn't realize he's like produced like he hasn't directed anything that's been like of any relevance of like major relevance pretty much since this but like he's produced a lot of like tv and like tv movies that i've enjoyed
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‘Disclosure’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Wosny Lambre
Um, and he does, it feels like he has opinions about corporate culture, these sort of titans of industry and what they're about. And what's funny is like when I hear Van talk about like the platitudes that Demise Moore is using at this like sort of shareholders meeting where she's talking about this product and it's like, it's going to bring humanity together and all of these platitudes.
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And I think the message of the movie, it's like, it's all crap. These people are just like the Robert Barons before them. They just want to make money. There's nothing different about this industry.
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But when you hear some of the soaring rhetoric of especially early Zuckerberg and Jobs and Jeff Bezos and these guys, they want the public to think that there's this higher calling to this enterprise that they're pursuing. But realistically, what does Instagram do? They've optimized selling us pants with seven zippers, right?
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Amazon makes it so that you don't have to leave your house to get toilet paper. Like, what did they actually do to change the world?
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Apple's a hardware company.
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You know, like, this isn't like indoor plumbing or electricity. You know what I'm saying? Like, the idea that these guys have done something to change humanity, I think is BS. And I think Levinson... quite presciently is like calling BS on this whole culture. Like, which I think is very interesting. But again, the movie is just has too much to say about too many things.
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I disagree, but that's a different podcast.
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So what, what you disagree with the point?
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What do you disagree with?
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Well, I think that guys like jobs, like I think that there's, there's a, there's a spectrum here, right? Definitely. Yeah. And, and so like, you know, Steve Jobs and Wozniak invented the personal computer, basically. Like, they had a different view of the world. They took, like, computing out of... That changed the world. Sure.
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So, like, they took computing out of some place where the military was doing it and put a computer, like, in your home. That fundamentally changed the world. And I think, if anything, with Steve Jobs, he was chasing that high. And I think... I'm not going to be like, I'm not like a tech bro, but I think he kind of did it again in many different ways.
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The iPhone is definitely revolutionary in terms of that.
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But what I would say, the thing about this movie is, I think he's right, but I think the movie doesn't have the balls to be about what it wants to be about. I think the movie shoehorns the corporate, but obviously it's based on a Michael Crichton book.
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Who's got a difficult relationship with women, to say the least.
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I think that this story wants to be about, it wants to be a very direct indictment of workplace culture and harassment and no means no. It's having a conversation, really, that we're kind of still having. We act like we're the first generation to have the conversation about consent. We're the first generation to have the conversation about sexual harassment.
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Where the first generation, no, it's been being had for a very, very long time. This movie kind of wants to be about that. But in order to get people to have that conversation in 1994.
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You got to throw the sex in there.
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You got to throw a sex scene in there. And you got to give them some half-baked internet mumbo jumbo corporate espionage to wrap it all up in. Because what they're really talking about is whether or not The current workplace structures that they have can last women entering into them. Because at the end of the movie, the lady gets the job. At the end of the movie, he gets patted on his butt.
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And his saving grace is that he's happy that a woman gets the job.
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Well, the guy who creates the angel character, like one of his computer programmers, there's that scene in the middle of the movie when he's like... Douglas says, she got to you, didn't he? And he's like... What do you expect? They're smarter than us. Of course they're going to rule the earth. The movie's really trying to dive into some of that stuff, but pretty casually.
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I agree with most of what Waz said because this ties into an idealism that existed in that 92 to 95 range where it's like Clinton takes over. We're going to have our young, our version of JFK, right? All this good stuff is happening with technology. This is all the smart people, all the best people, all the best and brightest are now going to drift here.
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And we're going to do in Seattle and Silicon Valley, all these different places. And people were just really optimistic about stuff. And you kind of feel it in this movie. What you said is right. Cause this is ultimately be a movie about Don Southern doesn't want to lose money. Cause he's merging. And he doesn't want to lose $100 million. He wants to make as much money as possible.
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There's some cockamamie scheme to frame Michael Douglas' character because he fucked up the product line. And that's it.
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The only thing I would say about that is, I don't want to get bogged down, but the only thing I would say is that Donald Sutherland is the devil of the movie. The virtue of the movie lies in the engineers and the people who are trying to create something. So that would actually change stuff.
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You can't put those chips in the CD-ROMs by hand.
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And we're going to get into, again, for me, what age is the best and these different things. And a lot of it is my own biases, right? I think the engineers and the technologists that Van is talking about, the people who are actually the truest believers and who we would say the most meritocratic, they deserve to be in these positions. In this world, they're not the ones who win.
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They're the ones who get trampled over. It's these corporate operators who end up winning. It's not the technically sound who you would assume in this technical industry.
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I don't know why three guys are doing this movie. I just want to acknowledge it coming out of the gate. It's a corporate intrigue, erotic thriller.
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Yeah, the creators would be the ones, you know, reaping all the benefits. Like, no, it's the same corporate sharks who reap all of the benefits. And the way that you get ahead in this world is to maneuver, is to be a mover, be an operator, and not be... You love this. I'm wondering, is this making you uncomfortable yet, Bill? Not at all.
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The CEO, Sutherland, he wants to retire after the merger. Tom Sanders, the Douglas character, he thinks he's going to get promoted to run City Rhymes. Demi Moore's character, Meredith, comes in. No, she's running it. We have the sex scene. Harassment stuff flies back and forth.
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We don't have to do that anymore.
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He figures out how to get his job back and that he's being set up to be fired for cause. Somehow gets all of these incriminating things. and then challenges her.
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Oh, in Trump's America, we're fine? The reason we're doing this is because this is now one of the funniest movies of the 90s. I have no idea how to even explain how this movie happened. I saw it in the theater. I was excited to see it in the theater. It did really well in the box office.
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And what really happened, which I think I figured out the fifth time I watched this movie is she had fucked up originally with the product line and she's trying to frame him because he was the only one who would be able to eventually figure out that she had fucked up. Which of course raises the question, why even do the sexual harassment stuff?
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Why not just say from the get-go, you fucked up the product line. This is more than a nitpick. It's just like, how about just from the get-go, just blame him for the fact that the product line was fucked and you don't have to buy him a wine.
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I mean, I have to be honest with you. I didn't make it to the end of the movie until at least like 1998. I'll just be real with you. I'm serious. No idea. It was like, okay. But... The overblown way in which they go about just trying to make him look incompetent is so stupid.
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It's the most convoluted, crazy attempt.
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And then he becomes Ethan Hunt. Yeah. He legitimately goes into it, espionage, breaks into somebody's hotel room, the whole nine.
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The movie just... It becomes a whole different film. Courtroom drama film? Yes.
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There's a courtroom drama short in here.
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And it's got that great lawyer character that was a very, like, 1990s, that female attorney who's going to use hard copy. Like, that was basically Leslie Abramson. Some really funny technology stuff in this movie, too, that I want to get to, but we're going to take a quick break.
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So the technology stuff, which is one of the reasons this became a rewatchable movie, it starts in the beginning when the little kid is like, Dad, you have an email. Dad, there's an email. That happens. The video link ups are like the whole concept of CD-ROMs being so incredibly important.
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When was the last time a CD-ROM existed?
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When AOL sent the CD-ROM. Oh my goodness.
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I thought it was witchcraft. I'm like, yo.
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Futuristic. Yeah, it's crazy. Just the idea that you could skip a song on a CD, like that you didn't have to press fast forward on something and like hope that you got it, you know, right as the next song. So you just press the button and a new song would start playing.
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It was just like... So we have somebody getting an email being ominous in a movie where it's like his email, somebody would go to the computer and like the score would be like... And then... I guess they're saying the future is VR, being able to work virtually, but you have to be in some sort of crazy universe with gloves to go find your files.
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and then the years start passing, and the internet forms into shape, and habits change, and people change, and now this movie is like, how the fuck did this happen? Waz, you suggested it.
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Virtual reality was a big 90s obsession.
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Yeah, like where's this going? It's almost like when flying cars were an obsession in the 60s.
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It was just this idea that you would leave the physical world and spend so much time like sort of fully immersed in some alternate world.
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And not in the office, which, by the way, is kind of where we ended up during COVID.
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That's why I was going to ask you, like, watching this during COVID when we were living in a virtual society, like, did it... That's what I'm saying.
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I thought the movie was pretty good about, like, predicting future. Just, like, the FaceTime element of it all. Right? That just seemed completely insane as an idea.
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Which they stole from Total Recall. I think Total Recall invented that.
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Remember the FaceTime on the TV?
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Yeah. Either that or the Usher You Don't Have to Call video. Yeah, they had that too. All of the technology in this stuff, like the digital communication, the idea that people would want to leave the physical realm and be completely lost somewhere else, whether they're doing their job or doing something else. And again, just like the creeping sense that this wasn't a good thing.
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That's what I felt like the movie was saying to me. I know this stuff seems new and exciting, but the movie is very skeptical.
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In a lot of ways, it's an art versus commerce movie.
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In a lot of ways, it's a how do we break ground and use new technology to... Go to different frontiers.
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So... During the pandemic, 2020, early 2021, like I was watching damn near three movies a day. Yeah. Yeah. And between whatever your different streamers have available, sometimes you just end up on Amazon or YouTube and just rent movies. And, you know, when you rent a movie, you get to watch the trailer first. And I'm like, all right, Demi Moore, Michael Douglas.
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Right. And then who's going to profit from it? And is it going to be done in a way that's responsible or in a way that prioritizes doing something new and different? Like, I got the Vision Pro and I played around on the Vision Pro. And then the only thing that was super awesome about it was like, you guys are making judgments. That's not what I'm going to say. That's not what I'm going to say.
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I see both of the looks on your faces. I just want to hear. That's not what I'm going to say. I'm just nervous. I'm not going to say that. Watching NBA games on the Vision Pro is actually super different.
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You can see the Lakers not play defense in a totally different way.
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Why you got to do that? Like what? You got to let go. In 2025, Bill, you got to let go of vendettas.
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I just love making fun of the Lakers.
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How is that a vendetta?
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You love making fun of shit.
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Like what? I don't know.
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What do you like making fun of?
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The Celtics. But all the things that Division Pro could do, and it's a very cool piece of... But really what I'm doing is watching NBA games on it. Pulling the stats. Doing all of that stuff. But it's more fun to do with somebody sitting right next to you. It's more fun to do with Kalika at your crib. It's more fun to do it that way.
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So I think we thought that we would be doing all of this amazing stuff with this technology. And don't get me wrong. There are people that are, but we're just kind of not. We're just kind of like passing the time with it, you know?
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Before the novel was published.
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Big dog. In the book, the difference is... Wait, hold on for a second.
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He's a motherfucking man. He got a million books...
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He's like, I have this idea. Gives them the one paragraph description. They're like, here's a million dollars.
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Oh, man, give it up to Big Crites, man.
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So in the book, Tom obtains enough evidence, the Michael Douglas character, to overturn Meredith and Phil, and they both get fired. But the merger doesn't go through, and Tom doesn't receive his promotion. And then Meredith and Phil get better jobs somewhere else. So it's a little cynical. It's like this actually worked out for them. They're in a better spot. $50 million budget made $214 million.
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Mammoth hit. That's a smash. Mammoth hit. In 94.
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People love Michael Douglas got his dick, his dick got him in trouble again. That's like all they had to do in the commercial campaign. That's all I had to do for the trailer.
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You need to get that $399 rental going. The story of the movie was so robust. Like the story around the premise of the movie. It was like a It was one of those things.
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It was literally, legitimately controversial.
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The book was too. They were talking about like on the Today Show. They were talking about it in, this is actually a movie where a woman sexually harasses a man. I'll say something about Demi Moore is casting that part
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To make it believable. To make it believable, the actress that has to play that particular part.
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Well, we have a great cast in What If For It because somebody else was supposed to get it.
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So we'll talk about that later.
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Her sexual magnetism has to be like up here.
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But also the strength that she can dominate a man and turn heel.
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Creighton was saying that the reason he did it this way was because everyone would know the other way. If it was the female that was being sexually harassed, it's like people, the flipping it. Oh, that's what he said? Well, that's, I'm just reporting. So he said the flipping it was what made it interesting because it made people kind of reevaluate what sexual harassment was.
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Yeah, I mean... But it's also what made it so controversial.
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I've never read the book. Talking to Sean outside before we came in here, he's like, the book is a little bit less ambiguous. It's like this woman is pure evil.
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Okay, you know, basically a freaking... What I missed. Exactly. And I'd never even heard of the movie before, much less seen it. So I popped it in and, you know, you think you're in some sort of erotic thriller, which there's definitely a lot of elements to that in a movie, but it turns into something completely different throughout the course of it.
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And she's come to ruin this poor great dad's life. Yeah.
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Whereas the movie, I don't think... Which is very similar to the Fatal Attraction theme.
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I don't think the movie is that 2D. I think this character is a little bit more 3D in terms of her ambitions and... At the end. Yeah. Throughout the...
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at the end they humanize her a little bit but throughout the she is straight up Lucifer incarnate she's lying and then even when they catch her in the lie she doesn't pivot back she doesn't say my bad for lying she doubles down yeah like then at the end you start to realize that She kind of is a woman that's getting grinded up in the boys club and is trying to survive it.
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Again, that's why I think the movie's a little bit more three-dimensional. I think what they're trying to say is there's no other way to be a CEO. Like, the way that you are one of these corner office executives is, like, if somebody crosses you, you kill them. That's it. And you bring the power of the institution to bear on that person. You rally your big dogs around you, and you kill them.
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And that's what she tried to do. And I think, to me, the movie is just saying, this is exactly what a man would do in this position. There's, like, quotes where it's like...
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she had the power like the movie is making yeah when he starts yelling at the maid that's one of the funniest scenes he yells at the maid hey come on down here I have the power Yeah. Roger Ebert, not impressed by this movie. Really? Two stars. Wow. He wrote, it is an exercise in pure cynicism with little respect for its subject or for its thriller plot, which I defy anyone to explain.
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The theme is basically a launch pad for sex scenes. And yet the movie is so sleek, so glossy, so filled with possesso porn that you can enjoy it like a sharper image catalog that walks and talks. Yeah.
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Jesus Christ. He was not feeling this movie. Insanely well written. I'll tell you this, though. Watching the movie now, it is with just everything in the way things are now and like kind of where I'm at. It is very unhorny. I mean, it's horny at the beginning.
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But it. for all intents and purposes, blows its whole wad after that scene. And then there is no more sexuality in the movie whatsoever. And that is the entire rest of the movie. This movie isn't in any way to me, an erotic thriller.
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It has, it doesn't throw in like the sex scene with his wife where he starts to get carried away in it or nothing.
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Triple horn scene. Nothing like none of that stuff happens that the rock, the rest of the erotic thrillers all have it. It doesn't exist in this one.
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All right, we're going to most rewatchable scenes. Today's the most rewatchable scene brought to you by Paramount+. This holiday season, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to watch every Mission Impossible on Paramount+. Van might do this. Catch up on the greatest action franchise of all time. Starring Tom Cruise, of course. Now streaming on Paramount+. All right, rewatchable scenes.
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And I just was fascinated by it as a document, honestly.
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I'll do that right after I finish watching everything Taylor Sheridan has ever made, every second of it. I'm right there with you.
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Are you caught up on Landman?
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Landman's great. Yeah. All right, first rewatchable scene. Tom finds out he might be out of a job. Just throwing that in there. Second one, Tom and Meredith see each other for the first time right into Douglas angrily talking, telling his staff about it.
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Goddamn, Garvin. What happened?
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What? You're not the new VP? Nope.
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Well, it's some kind of secret. Meanwhile, he's got her installed up there in the office. They're bouncing back and forth like it's a fucking Tonight Show. Who? Meredith Johnson. Who's Meredith Johnson? This isn't going to affect the spin-off. This is a technical division. She doesn't know the difference between software and a cashmere sweater. Hey, come on now. What aren't you telling us?
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Did you, what's your history with this movie, Van? How many years?
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Hey, I might be out of a job, Lewin. How about that? Is that enough? You know what it's like out there?
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They didn't tell me about me. You think they're going to tell me about the goddamn spin-off?
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which features some of the funniest workplace banter. It's so good. You can't even believe it. It's so good. You can't, it's just like you're watching it going, oh my God, like there's 19 different lines in this scene that would be an HR violation.
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100%. I had that as a rewatchable scene when he realizes he got passed over, and he goes and tells his, like, sort of team or whatever, and they just start basically debating feminism.
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Going all the way back to, I had that scene on one of my mixtapes that I had back in the day. Oh, no. I had VCR mixtapes of different things and I had that scene on one of the mixtapes. Oh, no. So, here we go. Okay, we're off. What I remember about the movie was the bait and switch that people felt when they saw it. Yep.
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This is such a cliché.
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You mean, like, size doesn't matter?
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All right, all right. Please, can we get some work done here?
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That's what they're doing. They're going back and forth. And Dennis Miller's like, you know, the typical guy. He's doing the wisecracking.
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Dennis Miller is the avatar for the cool chick in the office who can... She can talk like the guys.
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And also just like the avatar for the new American workplace. There's this woman who is an engineer and she went to school for it and she knows her stuff just as well as anybody else. But she's explaining to her male colleagues the difficulties of being...
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a woman in these environments and everybody being like yeah get over it whatever i i love that scene next scene tom goes to have a drink with meredith yeah stop by the office around seven picked out a bottle of wine for us yeah the radar gun i had for demi in this scene yeah around this Chapman range.
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She's so good in this scene.
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I say, because there's no nudity in this scene.
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It is the hottest non-nude sex scene ever.
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Wow. We'll be back on the Mr. Skin podcast after this.
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Been a member for a long time. And maybe it shouldn't be, because I think that's part of the scene. Part of the scene is that... If those roles are reversed, you're not in any way supposed to find that appealing. If those roles are reversed and it's the man that is pushing up, the scene is kind of an indictment of the viewer in a way too.
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Because she's being so aggressive and she won't take no for an answer- Honestly, there's a part of that that's hot. And so you're supposed to feel a little nasty after you realize that this is a married guy.
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Well, you know they have their history, though, too, because she's playing the history piece of it. Like, come on, for old time's sake.
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And I think why I find the movie to be interesting is that the way they deploy it is that Michael Douglas kind of wants it. That's what I think complicates this whole thing. She says, rub my shoulders and I'll listen to your problems. He's like, all right.
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And he just keeps going.
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Well, you left out the part. She's like, let me see some photos of the fam. And he's showing her and she says something. He goes, well, she never lost the weight from the second baby.
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She just straight up looks at her and goes, she looks like she always keeps food in the refrigerator. I'm like, God damn. Killer. She's like, the only thing in my refrigerator is a bottle of champagne and an orange. I'm like, okay, you trying to say my wife fat?
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Then she starts doing the remember all the things we did.
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Oh, you'd be surprised.
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Because Michael Douglas, a couple of years before that, had done Basic Instinct. Of course.
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Yeah, I remember that. And you miss it. I have my compensations.
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Well, I wouldn't trade what I have if that's what you're saying.
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Oh, that was a very common trope back in the day. Like, old flame comes back. Yeah, the old flame starts flaming. Remember the ice cubes and all of that stuff? Yeah.
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So then we just get going. And a lot of dirty talk. Doesn't really work out. We do get, this is, Van, Waz knows I'm going to do this. We have this and we have single-weight female. Yeah. Which are in the finals of Guy getting a blowjob pretending he doesn't want one, but he's also enjoying it.
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And a couple of years before that, Fatal Attraction.
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I think single white female is better. It's better. Because he knows who it is. He's like...
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I'll finish. But after seeing a white female, he gets... He gets a shoe in the eye. Yeah, he gets angry. He gets self-righteous. Oh, you don't have to tell her because I'm going to tell her. Yeah, you're going to tell your girlfriend the next day that her roommate gave you a blowjob, but you didn't know it was her. Yeah. Good luck, dog. No shot.
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So this was the third in what people thought was going to be the erotic trilogy of Michael Douglas. Those two movies have pretty outrageous sexuality throughout the whole thing. This movie doesn't.
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You knew it was me. So he gets out of there. She has the classic line.
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Hold on. Before that, the point that I love... The reason why he stops, he somehow looks at his reflection in like a glass or something. He's like, is that classic- I look like a wild animal?
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Looking in the mirror and he's just like, oh. Easiest great shot Gordo of all time. What am I doing? You know, he's like, what am I doing? And then he stops. And yeah, she- You stick your dick in my mouth and then you get an attack of morality?
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It's a good line. He responds, I have a family now. Yeah. What? Yeah.
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You get back here and you finish what you started. That scene is fucking batshit crazy. It is batshit crazy.
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Yeah, with her bra still up.
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She's in her bra. She's leaning over. She's pushing her bra. Get back here. Guys, there's no other way to say it. The hottest woman in Hollywood at the time. You could maybe make an argument for Sharon Stone or whomever, whatever. Begging, begging for a guy to come back into the office and have disgusting, nasty sex with her. It's just an unbelievably magnetic scene.
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And if you're Demi Moore, you got to give it all to that scene. And she does.
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Next rewatchable, Dennis Miller on the double date with Douglas. Just blowing his cover. Unbelievable. Doing Dennis Moore lines. You see, this is my big shot, asshole. It's not like I'm getting scouted by the NBA. It's like, I don't know if they just let him write all his lines. They all sound like things Dennis Moore would say. Who got to you? Then the wife sticks up for him.
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Let's just have a nice evening. It's like, I'm pretty sure the evening's been ruined. Yeah. But she's a ride or die. And then that also leads to Tom getting mad at Mad at her after about the whole thing.
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So that was one of my, like when he actually comes clean to his wife and she just like goes down the list of like how much of a fuck up this guy is. Yeah. She's reading him the riot act. I just thought that was very well done.
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He does. His response is sexual harassment is about power. When did I have the power?
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Barry Levinson, outro music.
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For one scene, it's ratcheted up and then it's referenced for the rest of it. And a lot of people were like, wait a minute, what's going on? And she was smoking hot at the time. Yes. So people wanted to see Demi in this way and they got one shot.
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Tom's sexual harassment deposition is hilarious. That lawyer dude is excellent. Yeah, he's got the lawyer dude.
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Both lawyers. Very smart in this situation. He has a female lawyer. She has the typical old male boys club lawyer.
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So would a gynecologist get an erection when he sees? Great question.
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That's a very squirmy scene. And then Meredith's deposition when they find the 91 Pallmeyer.
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From those trips to Napa, that he was sort of an amateur wine connoisseur and that he would be impressed by an ice bottle.
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Do you remember the wine? No. The 91 Pallmeyer? Yes, that's right. Do you know where your assistant got that wine?
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Would it surprise you to know, Miss Johnson, that there isn't a single liquor store in Seattle that carries that bottle? Mrs. Ross is very resourceful. Very resourceful? A bottle of wine you can't find within 500 miles of Seattle.
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Isn't it true, Ms. Johnson, that you told Mrs. Ross three weeks ago that you wanted a bottle of the 91 Pallmeyer for your meeting with Mr. Sanders? That's not true. And when she couldn't find it, you said, oh, what was that? It had such managerial brio. Oh, here it is. If you don't find the wine, find a replacement.
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And they realize it's not sold within 500 miles or whatever. That's really good.
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That's a bit of like a baby wine guy. I was proud of that moment. It's like, how were you going to get a wine from four years ago or three years ago, whatever it was, at your local store three days ago? But see, that's good legal stuff.
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That's the legal stuff. That's the courtroom drama stuff.
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The next one is when he, he finally somehow gets the tape, which we'll talk about later in new picks. And, uh, and they play the tape and she knows she's cooked.
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blistering scene of it and then it went away and it was about corporate espionage and what the internet was not going to look like 30 years later yeah this was the trilogy of Michael Douglas the everyman with his dick getting him in trouble but in the end he's going to get out of it and it turned out to be that crazy ladies fault this is what the late 80s 90s were like um
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And then she turns into Femme Fatale.
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Haven't you ever said no and meant yes, Mrs. Alvarez?
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It's like, oh, okay. We're going here now. Like literally like.
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Sometimes no means the person wants to be overwhelmed.
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And then she has the big speech, which Craig's going to play now.
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Up until the moment of actual penetration... The point is he was willing. That tape doesn't change anything. The point is you control the meeting. You set the time. You ordered the wine. You locked the door. You demanded service. And then you got angry when he didn't provide it. So you decided to get even, to get rid of him with this trumped-up charge. Ms.
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Johnson, the only thing you have proven is that a woman in power can be every bit as abusive as a man.
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We expect a woman to do a man's job, make a man's money, and then walk around with a parasol and lie down for a man to fuck her like it was still 100 years ago. Well, no thank you. Classic. So good. And for me, we still haven't hit the best scene in the movie yet because we get Tom sneaking into the hotel room to get the VR files.
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And all of a sudden, this becomes a Star Trek movie for five minutes.
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You know what's funny? The special effects are so bad. And then the Demi Moore 3D Avatar jump scare.
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Out of nowhere, she comes in.
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She's in the system. Oh, my God. She's doing it in the files. It's the fucking lawnmower, man. Even when I watch that scene, when I watch that scene, I'm thinking, look how... Like, harrowing that is. He almost falls off the thing. I do that for fun at home. It's a game on the Oculus called Frank's Plank Adventure. You got the Oculus and the Vision Pro? I'll go in, baby.
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It is called Frank's Plank Adventure. And the funniest thing is, like, watching people play it. Because you're walking across a plank. between two gigantic skyscrapers, but you're in the VR. So the people that are walking across your room are legitimately doing like this. They're scared. Some people cry and get down. So all of that technology, we use it for bullshit. Right.
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I'm telling you, we use it to have a good time with it.
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Not to get files. And change the world and espionage with the angels and all that stuff.
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Make sure you don't get fired from your company.
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Shout out to Demi Moore's, I'm angrily using my computer face. Yeah. She's fired up. I love that scene. It's so stupid. I also love, I had this in One Stage the Best. This device that really was only in the 90s when somebody needed to get into somebody's hotel room and they would just call and be like, hey, I need my roommate up. It's 311. I'm like, sure thing, sir.
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And then you just walk into the room and the maid's like, hello, sir. I promise this doesn't work in real life.
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Yeah, that's the room. I always have questions about this because I wonder.
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Could anyone do this? Because they do it in Pacific Heights too. Melanie Griffith gets in there.
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Yeah, like people could get in their rooms and the security seemed to be lax.
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Yeah, I mean, if room service is doing your room, the door is just open. How do they know who's actually staying there?
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The big stockholder meeting showdown. Demi gets fired.
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Tough. Unrealistic, but fun to watch. And then the ending, Stephanie gets the job. Turns out she was a friend all along. Who could have saw that coming? Counting on you to be my right hand, Tom. We haven't even talked about that. Talks about the son. The a friend situation. Are you chemistry major? Yeah, I am. Happy music. Tom's got his job back and his family's still there.
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I wrote down it's a sexual harassment movie that's really about men's fear of the 1990s, that women were starting to take their jobs, which you feel... All the way through. It's about this weird, the internet's coming. What's this going to be? I remember seeing this movie. I didn't have email for two years until after I saw this movie. So he's getting emails popping up from no server.
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Demi Moore's out of a job.
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And women won. There's one scene you're leaving out. Okay. By far the most hilarious scene in the movie. It's not even close, this is the funniest scene in the movie. The dream sequence.
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I had that in What's Aged the Worst because I hate it. Donald Sutherland making a move on him.
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And all of a sudden, Tom, he's grabbing Tom. Dude, his mouth is wide open. His tongue is sticking out into the camera. It's brutal. It's a good jump scare.
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So what do we have for most rewatchable? Oh, come on. Oh, I know Van's answer.
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This is the sex scene. It is. I mean, it made Van's mixtape for a reason. Yeah.
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I love the VR hotel room. Makes me laugh.
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It is very funny as well.
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That was today's most rewatchable scene brought to you by Paramount+. This holiday season, make it your mission to watch every Mission Impossible on Paramount+. Every dangerous secret, every heart-pounding chase, every impossible jaw-dropping stunt now streaming on Paramount+. We're going to take a break and come back in a second. Next category.
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What's the most 1994 thing about this movie other than all the sexual harassment and workplace stuff that we talked about? I'll give you some nominees. Sure. Dad, you got an email. Here's one. The Jeep Cherokee. Ben doesn't read your emails to you out loud. The Jeep Cherokee is very 1990s.
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Super. It was the dream car for me at that time.
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1990s Seattle. Put me in the Sean Kemp singles.
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They had literally a ghost song. Early Starbucks. Yeah. Loved it.
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Dennis Miller just being cast as an actor working as a computer programmer in Michael Douglas' group.
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We have him coming up later.
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But I think the casual sex harassment. Him hitting the assistant with the files on her butt.
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I think that's the single most 1994 thing about the movie.
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It's that and it's just the way that they're talking about sex. It's a way that we just don't do that in public ever these days.
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Van thinks it's coming back.
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I think it is too. As long as we get the Craig Horlbeck's out of the way so we can have fun. I know. The fun police.
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What's aged the best? Speaking of Dennis Miller. I like when movies bring in comedians. And this was a great Dennis Miller. This is my favorite stretch of Dennis Miller. I loved his HBO show. I liked when he's in this. I liked when he's in The Net.
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He was in The Net too, yeah.
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But I like when they bring the people in and just let them kind of cook as themselves.
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Hey, the thing was, hey, this movie's not very funny.
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Yeah. Just come in for four or five scenes. Yeah. Give us a little funny, get your check, go home. She doesn't give you a boner because she's definitely giving me liftoff.
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Just like all these like cliched dentist boners just ripped them off. They were really smart when Meredith shows up for just another What's Aged to Best of making Tom kind of undercutting him. Like they have that one part when he sits at the table and he's in the smallest chair. She makes fun of his tie and he kind of looks down like he's just off balance for the first five minutes.
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When he sits in the small chair, that's another funny scene in the movie.
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And he's just below everyone. Yeah. He was starting the day because this takes place over like a week.
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So he's starting the day on a high.
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I'm like, well, that makes sense. Digital messages.
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And we know this because they start each day with Monday.
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Bong! It's like The Shining.
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He starts the day on such a high, and he just gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller throughout the day.
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I have a couple more. Do you have any of what's aged the best?
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Yeah, for me, it's definitely like the corporate culture portrayal. The Dylan Baker character, Philip Blackburn, that typical corporate blunt instrument machine where like, he's just not a human being. He's just a freaking automaton, basically. For instance, Van comes into our office. Whenever he's here, he's humanizing the situation. Let's talk. Let's engage.
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Let's have some human connection, bro.
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This is nice. This is a nice moment for you guys.
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It's what happens. This movie shows you what the typical corporate culture is, which is like, leave your humanity at the freaking door. And I thought that that's, for me, that's what aged the best about the movie.
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It's like, well, that seems realistic. And then finally with the VR stuff with the gloves, it's like, well, maybe that's where things are going. Yeah. And then you see it now and it's just hilarious. That scene in the hotel room has to be one of the funniest scenes in the 90s.
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The conversation about consent, when they had it, was like verbatim the conversations that we ended up. They literally have a conversation in the movie about living consent. that the idea that consent is born at any time and it dies at any time.
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And when we started having that conversation again, when I say we, I mean us as a society, during the Me Too movement, it was sometimes positioned as if it was the first time, like I said before, that that conversation had ever been had. And it wasn't. And so when I saw that, I was like, You know, it might be good for us to remind ourselves that we've been talking about this stuff for a long time.
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And maybe you don't put it on any specific generation or any specific group of people. And you remember that these things are things that we're socially legislating. And we should continue to socially legislate them until we get them right.
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But this was a 90s movie thing, though. And we did, like, Wesley and I did Philadelphia for rewatch. It was the same thing. It was like... Hollywood knowing there were these big important topics that they needed to hit, being super clumsy about it, but hitting a bunch of it anyway. And then other parts where you're like, oh, why'd they do that?
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So that's another thing to Van's point that I think the movie does a good job of predicting this sort of white male angst. Where like the identitarian way that we do everything now.
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Like that guy in the train in the beginning.
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Yeah. 100%. And he's talking about, oh, they got like women in the workplace or all of that. All of these anxieties to the point where, you know, when Tom is yelling at his wife in the kitchen and he literally says, I'm that evil white straight male.
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Like this is, they're predicting the freaking discourse that's happening over and over and over again in our current society about like, you know, the white straight male being basically like the devil's avatar, right? This movie's doing that. Predicting that. What are you looking at me for?
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Yeah, they have to find a way to sort of tie a bow on the plot stuff because I think the movie just has so much to say about so many things, whether it be technology or whether we should embrace it or fear it, women in the boardroom, sexual harassment, sexuality, masculinity. This movie has so much to say about a lot of issues. And it's trying to do it in an hour and 58 minutes.
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Mort would say it's the best. The elevator opening in Demi Moore. And she just goes, going down. Bro. And he doesn't know whether he should get in or not.
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She's had just a couple of great entrances with her. Yeah, man.
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I really love the sneaking into somebody's hotel room to get information and then juxtapose with the person on their way up to the room and not knowing if they're going to get out in time. Yeah, that always works for me. I also am always into the... The guy who comes home after obviously some sort of adultery moment has happened is like, I'm just going to take a quick shower.
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If I came home, barely talked to my wife, I was like, just quick shower. I'll be right back. My wife would be like, what the hell happened? I'm checking you for scratch marks.
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This is one of my biggest nitpicks. D-Ray Davis. Shout out D-Ray Davis. D-Ray Davis has a ridiculously funny stand-up bit about this. He goes, if you're going to be out there, you're going to be cheating on your girl, messing around with your girl. You just need to take showers all the time.
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He was like, just take showers all the time, random times. Establish an alibi. And you get in the shower and she asks you about it, you can be like, Girl, I take showers all the time. Right. But he comes home, he goes, he sends her on an errand. Yeah. Like, go get me a beer. So get away from the stink of Meredith and the smell of wine on my breath and the Wolverine scar I got.
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I'm going to get in the shower real quick. Wolverine scar. Well, and also, there's some good filmmaking in this movie because he's in the shower and he's got the scratch marks and then the wife comes in And he's just like, and then he has to get out. He has the towel. And it's just, he's just trying to hide the scratches for a few minutes.
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And then you think. Why are you wearing a T-shirt? You know that he's in it up to his ears. And the wife goes, who's Meredith? And he's like, oh, my God, what? And she goes, Meredith just called. And you were, hey, dog, think of something. Like, think of something to say. That whole scene is really good.
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Here's a... Eh, that's it. That's all I got. Because we talked about the other stuff. The Fortune 3 Clap Award for most gif-able moment I honestly, the Demi Moore evil 3D avatar, I might have to start working into stuff.
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There was one, there's a moment at the end where, at the last board meeting where he basically lays out the case that she, you know, is an idiot and incompetent. She's the one that actually needs to be fired and he mouths the word bye-bye to her. Oh, that would be a good one. That would be a nice. I gotta go.
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Should I send that to the Lakers fan blog? After they give up 40 tonight to Atlanta?
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Mine is when she is leaning over the balcony when she just comes out of the room and she's going like, get back here.
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Just for your own personal pleasure.
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No, I'm just saying that's a good gift. Great shot.
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Go order a word. Most cinematic shot. You already did it. I do like the escalator scene when they have the tape and they're going up and Demi Moore kind of knows something's up. And they ride up. They're going up. And then you see them behind and she's just kind of like, hmm.
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There's another shot for me. It's her first scene in the movie. Before we see her, it's just a shot of her shoes and Michael Douglas looking down and he's like, wait a second, who is this?
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And then she's revealed and then we're off to the races. Den of Thieves, Benihana Awards, Scene Stealing Location. That office building, which they built for the movie. Oh, from scratch. Built from scratch because Levinson wanted a set that had all glass so people could see what each other was doing, and he just felt like, so they built it, and it's really good.
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Still on the $50 million budget, they built the whole office. Did they shoot in Seattle?
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We rarely get to give out either of these awards, and I'm going to do both of them. The Elizabeth Shue is an Oxford Electrochemist Award. And the Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This Character Was Actually Good at His Job. Both goes to Meredith. She's a former Miss Teen New Mexico, now working as a higher-up in Malaysian Conduit for a computer technology company.
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I'm going to say it's a stretch. Not into it. No. We don't know what happened after. She might have went to MIT or something.
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Maybe, but not sure. That's what, again, the movie wants you to think. It's not that she's some excellent worker. She's an operator and a mover. And the older woman who eventually gets it, when her and Tom are sitting there and they're watching this woman, Demi Moore's Ascent, And basically, she's like, yeah, I got passed over too. I've been here longer. I'm more tenured. I'm more qualified.
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It's cramming in everything. And in the meanwhile, they have to wrap up a plot and the freaking, you know, the VR goggles, the Oculus at the end was part of that wrap up. It wasn't great, but I enjoyed it.
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But this person came in and stole the show.
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Well, here's the case for her not being good at her job. She completely fucked up the product, right? She was like, yeah, yeah, let's use the cheaper stuff and we won't tell people. And then the product got delayed. Then she comes up with this crazy scheme to frame her ex-lover in a sexual harassment thing so that she could then blame it on him, I guess, for incompetence.
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Then she's on tape visiting the line.
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Yeah. And she acts like she's got to act like she's never seen... Terrible.
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Bad at her job. The big Kahuna burger award, best use of food or drink. The 91 bottle, 91 Pallmeyer. Just huge.
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Perfect. Okay. Oh, and when she hands him the glass, and he's like, wow, you got this on deck. And she's like, I like to keep the boys below me happy. It's just too good.
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Butch's girlfriend word weak link of the film. For me, we already mentioned it. I don't know why they had to do the... If you're actually just fundamentally looking at this as a movie, you don't need to do the sexual harassment plot. You just blame him for the CD-ROMs being fucked up. Blindside him at the end and he gets fired.
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But the reality is if you don't do the sexual harassment plot, you... You don't have a movie. You don't have a movie.
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You don't have a poster. You don't have an ad campaign.
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I hate to say this, but the weak link of the movie is the wife.
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Oh, I had her in What's Aged the Worst.
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Why do you say that? I told Carrie when I was about to come to work today, I was like, there's a take that Van's going to have that maybe I've worked with Van too long, but I know exactly what the take's going to be. So go ahead.
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Dan was getting, you were starting to think, what was that thing you got? What? The Apple goggles?
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The wife is the weak link of the movie, right? Because number one, she can't really feel, she doesn't really know. She's not in Demi Moore's league. And she gets it and she understands that. But she doesn't really add anything in any way. She wants to be a ride or die, but then at the same time, she's being a nagging gag, which we don't like.
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And then she doesn't really... Part of me is like, he should have gone with Demi Moore and formed the power couple.
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The Apple Vision Pro. You got the Vision Pro?
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I have that coming up.
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Something like that. My issue with her was I didn't feel like she was pissed off enough.
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Especially the one deposition where Demi Moore is like, I remember I told him that his wife, he said his wife hadn't lost the baby weight yet.
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So if we're comparing her to Triple Horn or to... Triple Horn's another one. But Triple Horn was different though. Triple Horn in Basic Instinct... was a constant reminder of who he really was. The wife here doesn't really do that. She kind of vacillates back and forth and then she's out of the movie.
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Is that what the Apple Vision Pro is like? Do you just go into a virtual office and grab files?
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Doesn't seem to know his history either.
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If I have a charitable view of what the movie's trying to do with this sexual harassment thing, it's like... We think dudes are too Neanderthal in nature to understand sexual harassment at a high level. So let's turn the tables and make it a dude who's being sexually harassed and can't do anything about it. Right. And so it's like your job and your higher ups are coming after you.
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And then there's the people closest to you like, well, Did you really, like, maybe you made the person think that you kind of did want it. It's kind of sounding like you might have been... Yeah, that's what Dennis Miller did. Why'd you go up there?
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Well, no. Oh! Kind of, though. Oh, I'm in a folder. You can do different stuff. Yeah. And then, you know, after a couple of minutes, your neck starts to hurt and you take it off and you're like... your girl and your dog are looking at you like, what are you doing? What just happened?
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That's what it felt like the wife was doing, where she's like, at first she believed it, but then when she sat in the deposition, it's like, maybe you did want it. Maybe that's what I felt like her role was. It's like, even the people closest to you start questioning your integrity and whether you deserved it or not.
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The Dennis Miller thought was something... I'll just be honest with you. The Dennis Miller thought was something that people... had been talking about, because I remember in an actual real case, which was Mike Tyson's case with Desiree Washington, he had invited her up there. It was like 2 o'clock, and they were going to play board games or something like that. And none of this excuses anything.
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But I remember people having the argument about why would you go to somebody's room at that time? It's a poor argument to have, but that was Dennis Miller's utility. It was a 90s argument. It was a 90s argument, yeah.
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She was a little too dutiful to wife and a little too forgiving. Especially near the end. I just feel like there would have been a scene where, I don't know, she asked him for some coffee, or he asked her for some coffee, and she's just mad.
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She's like, why did you ask your whore to get the coffee?
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You put your dick in her mouth! And she just starts screaming at him for no reason, which definitely probably happened.
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As somebody who's been chewed out a time or two by a significant other, I tend to agree with you. Maybe a little bit too lenient.
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What's aged the worst? Just CD-ROMs being a crucial plot point. Yeah. I had the Donald Sutherland trying to kiss me nightmare. The full circle movement moment where at the end, the assistant slaps Michael Douglas on the ass. It's like, oh, we've come full circle. Terrible moment. We all do it. The ending. The ending email. Daddy, we miss you. A family. So corny. Right.
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I would have told Levinson, like, dude, dude.
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Get that out. Let's just end it when she's asking the question. The movie horseshoes that way. It starts like a Disney movie and ends like one.
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What world were you just in?
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A friend being Arthur friend, tacky. Any other What's Age the Worst?
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The Sonics, man. And when I saw that ghost song, I was like, man.
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That could also have been a What's Age the Best.
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But it's so funny about how much about the internet the movie gets wrong. I remember there's one lady and she's standing up there. Oh no, it's Demi Moore. She's giving her thing. And she's like, it's going to be a place where there's going to be no race, no gender. No, we're not even going to think about any of those things. And then we get the internet. and we obsessed about those things.
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Yeah. Seattle loves the Sonics. They still do.
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The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting word. Douglas wins it multiple times. You think it's Douglas? Who do you think it is? Donald Sutherland.
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He's too cartoonishly evil.
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What about him when he's yelling at his wife and he yells at the maid, come on down here! I'm going to sexually harass you!
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It's white male rage. I don't think that's overacting. So you go Southerland. I go Southerland because in that scene where they're talking about crushing Tom, and he's like, we want to crush him, and then he grabs his subordinate's dick.
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Yeah, that is a moment.
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Come on. I'm going to zag.
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I think it's Dylan Baker. Because he is so swarmy. Yeah. From the moment he steps into frame, you're like, that's the guy I'm not supposed to like.
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He is laying it on. We're friends. Yeah.
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Was there a better title for this movie? No. No, it's perfect. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? I think we know what it is.
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Yeah. Bill, give it to us, though.
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The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award. Mine, I already gave. I think Demi Moore's two best roles ever. We're sitting almost fire in this movie.
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I love that take. Mine is Michael Douglas and not Frank Sinatra's actually the coolest man who's ever lived.
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Just for being able to pull off these roles over and over again?
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It's just like... I believe that these women want to fuck him.
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And I believe that this guy has a burning desire to fuck these women. It's in him. It's pouring out of this guy. He's just thirsty. And then, of course, he marries Catherine Zeta-Jones.
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He's probably the number one actor ever where you're watching the sex scene thinking, I wonder if they actually fucked during this.
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almost yours but it's different like mine is that I think he is a stone cold freak in real life remember when he got mouth cancer from like remember that yeah stone cold freak in real life that's why he is so good as a freak like in these roles there's a version of the American president I've always said that there's a version of that that's an erotic thriller cheating American president that's even better
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An even better version of the movie.
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You know why we know he's a freak? Because of the basic instinct scene when he just walks to the bathroom naked and the director is like, yo, Michael, we can kind of see your balls swaying during this. And he's like, let it fly, man. Keep it in. Keep it in. Sounds great. Hey, Roxy, let's have a talk. Man to man. Casting what ifs. Milos Forman originally attached to direct. Interesting.
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But left due to creative differences and then Levinson got hired. So originally set to play Meredith, Annette Bening. Doesn't work. Got pregnant and dropped out and then ended up making American president with him a year later.
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Beautiful. A fantastic actress, probably pound for pound a better actress than Demi Moore, but it doesn't quite work.
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No, she can't know. Demi Moore ended up getting it over Geena Davis and Michelle Pfeiffer. Pfeiffer would have worked.
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Pfeiffer could have worked.
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Pfeiffer would have worked. I don't know if she does it at that point in her career. Yeah. She's in her, I got to save kids out of high school while Coolio song plays phase of her career.
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But yeah, the woman from Scarface?
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Like pour gasoline on all of them. Right? Like we were going to do all of this stuff, move files around. Nah, we wanted to play Angry Birds on our phones. That's what the internet did.
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Eight is Michelle Pfeiffer.
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Well, Fabulous Baker Boy is Michelle Pfeiffer.
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And then Michael Crichton wrote the character because he knew they were going to turn the book into a movie as he was writing it because he's like, I got this. And he wrote the character Mark for Dennis Miller in his head as he was writing it.
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Well, it's always a pleasure to give this award out. The Van Lathan Award. Did this movie need more black people?
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It had one guy that I saw sitting behind somebody. And he literally, so one guy was sitting behind him and I could tell that he, whoever this extra was or this day player was trying to let his people back in Cincinnati know that he was in the movie.
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Because he's sitting behind her and he's like, he's trying to look, he's trying to see, he's getting like, he's trying to look when they had the thing. And the black guy that they had in it was one too many.
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That was my answer too. No. We didn't need any black people involved in any of this stuff.
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That's that guy word. The nerdy guy on Douglas' team who played Angel, whatever.
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His name's Nicholas Sadler. I know that guy from different movies. I don't even know where else I've seen him, but he's like a great that guy.
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The son, the Conley Jr. dude. Yeah. The basically the son of the CEO comes in and he's like doing all the talking. Yeah, he's one of those guys. He's that guy. Joe Erla is his name.
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Is Dylan Baker that guy or is Dylan Baker Dylan Baker?
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Dylan Baker's Dylan Baker.
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For me, he's that guy. Yeah.
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Because I had to Google his name name. D.M. Waiter's a word. I don't know if Tom's lawyer is in it too much, but she's a candidate.
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It's the two lawyers for me. Both lawyers.
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The other lawyer, angry, semi-sexist, laid off guy in the ferry in the first scene. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's good. My pick would be Dennis Miller. I think he's not in it quite enough. And every time he comes in, he's just fucking throwing sliders and curveballs.
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But when you talk to people who are like... you know, technologists or whatever. At the time, they were true believers. They really thought the internet was going to bring us closer, not have us be alienated. You know, like you could talk to somebody in Beijing from your couch in Boston. And all of those things ended up being true. It's just not how we spent our time on the internet.
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He's definitely the most in the spirit of the award, for sure. The movie needs him.
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Otherwise, it's a pretty stiff movie.
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He clinched it during the scene at the dinner where he tries to out Michael Douglas to his wife. That's where he clinched it. And then, by the way, at the end, all of Michael Douglas' people turn on him. Did she get to you? Did she get to you? Did she get to you? And then at the end, He's fine with it. They boys again.
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Yeah. Recasting couch director of City. I think this would have been an amazing David Fincher movie, and he wasn't quite David Fincher yet.
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But if it's David Fincher in the late 90s, maybe even the game David Fincher just being given this movie.
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Which the game's only three years after this, but I think in Fincher's hands, this movie is like one of the great 90s movies.
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Yeah, I think freaky directors like De Palma. De Palma would have been good, too. He might have took this over the freaky. Oh, there would have been more sex.
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There would have been a following scene throughout Seattle where he's just following Demi Moore around the city.
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I think the movie's definitely a lot freakier if De Palma does it. Yeah, because Levinson was not.
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He did Diner. Rain Man. The movie has a brightness to it. and a lightness to it that it probably shouldn't have, honestly.
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We probably should have talked about Levinson more because he was one of the big commercial directors of... Of really mid-80s through the 90s. Peaking with Rain Man.
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Which won just about every award. And it was a big deal when he was directing this movie. But even that movie... I don't know if this was... I don't feel like Barry Levinson is a horny guy.
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No. Even that movie, Rain Man, is dealing with some unbelievably heavy, heavy, heavy subject matter. But there's a lightness to his touch that... that makes the movie palatable to a much, much larger audience. And this movie kind of didn't need that. But maybe if, honestly, if it is Fincher, it maybe doesn't make $250 million.
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But he basically makes us with Gone Girl, right? It's a version of the same kind of movie.
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But we've changed at that point.
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And, you know, I'm looking on his IMDb and stuff that he's produced, and it's like a lot of TV shows that I've personally enjoyed, like Mr. Spade and Dope Sick. He's about the homicide. Immortal.
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shades of blue with Ray Liotta and J-Lo where Ray Liotta is just like an insane corrupt NYPD cop and J-Lo's trying to like keep it together as his like partner and team member I just told you what 1992 Liotta's last movie I watched it on an airplane on the way to Denver Tyrese Ray Liotta Clint Eastwood's son Scott Eastwood yeah there's a heist
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And it's not very good. And I loved it. Bill loved it. I loved it for an airplane on a small square. It was perfect. I didn't realize that you were such a Tyrese guy. I like Tyrese. Yeah. I think he's had some good actor moments. Is that a controversial opinion?
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No. He just kind of made himself into a caricature. Yeah.
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But I think there was more talent there than... Definitely a talented cat.
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He's having a great career. As a public figure, he's a strange, funny guy.
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Any black actor, Van always gets a look on his face like, I'm going to be hearing from him later when we... Well, yeah.
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Van knows these people personally. But, I mean, Tyrese has had a... He's one of those guys that's had a sneaky, underrated movie career.
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Just not in the way that we thought that they were.
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Yeah, I don't even know if it's sneaky.
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Yeah, I get that. It's true.
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He's in the Fast franchise.
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But I thought Baby Boy, he's really good in that movie. Bill, you've never seen Baby Boy. What the fuck? Of course I've seen Baby Boy.
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Baby Boy's a real movie. Yeah, that's a crossover movie. Come on. It's a crossover. I saw those movies. You think it's a crossover? So how about this? Can you commit to the Baby Boy rewatchables? Let's lock that in.
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Exactly. You were talking to the person in Beijing, but not to your mother. Like you're talking to the person in Moscow, but you're never in the same room with anyone. It just didn't go the way we thought it was going to go. We thought it was going to add two, but it replaced.
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I haven't seen it in a long time.
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Let's lock that in. See what I'm saying?
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I saw it in the theater, though.
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You saw Baby Boy in the theater?
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I didn't have a lock on out in the 90s.
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fuck with baby boy i love baby boy that's just not when you think of the singleton movies that you would have saw in the theaters i wouldn't have thought well poetic justice was first day because tupac oh yeah first yeah and i also was so close to boys in the hood like that was like an event but john singleton because we did higher learning um john singleton saw that in the theater yeah it was appointment viewing yeah in the 90s with the movies that he made yeah half ass oh i skipped one
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Romo, Collinsworth, or someone else for the director's commentary?
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This is easy for me. It's Quentin. It's always Quentin for me. Quentin narrating some of these scenes, dude. Tarantino?
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He a real life freak. It's always Quentin. So somebody on the internet spliced up his commentary on King of New York that he did with you guys on the Rewatchables. And I just watched that like two days ago. Yeah. And when this guy gets going on a movie, on an actor, on a director, it's riveting.
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Yeah. I mean, to me, it's Collinsworth for me. Yeah? Because I need to play by play of the actual scene.
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I was thinking Romo. Okay.
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He's rubbing her shoulders, Jim! The wide's open, Jim! Oh! She touched his leg, Jim! Stuff's going down!
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Yeah. Let's go. Half-assed earned at research. The 1991 Pallmeyer, these days, a $600 bottle.
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Wow. Industrial Light and Magic made all the VR stuff. I don't think they brag about that in the offices.
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Yeah, that's not the best moment. Yeah, that's not the best moment.
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Filmed in and around Seattle. Films marketing touted it as the first Hollywood movie with major stars to address the topic of sexual harassment. I'm telling you, this was a crazy time for movies where it's like, this is the first AIDS movie.
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This is the first sexual harassment movie. Sliver, the movie where we talk about video voyeurism. Right.
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We didn't have the internet. So anytime Hollywood tackled a topic, it was like a big deal. It's like, oh, we're doing this. Yeah. Third most rented movie of 1995 and the number one rented movie in Baton Rouge.
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Oh, I was about to say. Showgirls was one of my top rated ones.
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It shifted in real time because I was in college in the early 90s when some people were like in the computer room starting to email. And we were all like, what the fuck are those people doing? And then eventually you could get information. I remember when I was in grad school, like going to the library and you could use like Nexus, Lexus, stuff like that.
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Third of 1995. A decade later, Demi Moore was sued for sexual harassment by the caretaker of her Idaho ranch. The case was dismissed.
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Yeah, just passed not long. And then Demi Moore... gave birth to her third child a month before she was cast, and biked 28 miles every morning pre-dawn to get back in shape for the film. Oh, my God. Kudos.
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We'll take one more break, then we're going to do Apex Mountain. Apex Mountain, Michael Douglas. No. Nah. To me, more. It's right around here. It's Indecent Proposal. It's this movie. It's like if she's in a movie and she's on the poster, it's making $200 million.
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For some reason, I can't call her Apex Mountain.
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Yeah, because it's definitely not the movie that she's most associated with. I think it's probably Indecent Proposal. Because that's barely a movie.
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And somehow that movie did really well. It's not Ghost? Yeah. So the problem is we've done all these movies and we probably already litigated this. Yeah, it might be Ghost.
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When people think of Demi Moore, they don't think of Disclosure. So it can't be after this movie.
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I was just trying to think of when did she have the most power. Coming out of this movie, this is when she gets the $12 million for striptease.
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So much money. That's what I was thinking. She gets the $12 million for striptease.
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She sets the record for a salary after this movie.
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So it might be this one.
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Sexual harassment movies? Yeah. It's got to be. Yeah. Older Donald Sutherland. He's got this and he's got Six Degrees of Separation. Yeah. A movie that we're going to do on the rewatchables at some point. So I think it's right around here. He's got the beard. He's got that smarmy, like that weird posture. Always in a suit, arms crossed.
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Even his boss. When I think Donald Sutherland, because he was, I don't know why, I think Outbreak, man. Oh. Be compassionate, but be compassionate globally.
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I always think Invasion of Body Snatchers.
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Virtual reality, no. Actor Dennis Miller, I think yes, because he's got this in the net. 91 Pallmeyer, definitely. The Miss Teenage New Mexico pageant, I think this was the peak.
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When was that ever mentioned? Who even knew they had it? Anything else? Seattle as a city?
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You know, so Singles comes out this year too. Singles, yeah. Sean Kemp and GP are in place. Ken Griffey is there. No, Sleepless in Seattle.
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What am I talking about?
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But this is a year before. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Starbucks is starting. This is Amazon is getting ready.
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This is it. Seattle's a cool place.
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You're buying Seattle stock right here. Right. Cruz or Hanks?
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Oh, shit. In this movie, specifically? Tom Cruise. Like, the aggrieved, you know, like... I had Cruz as well. Incredulous, just lecturing people. Like, that's Cruz. I get it. It's just the sex part.
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But when I saw this movie in 94, we didn't know what the internet was going to be because The Net was the other movie that came out with Sandra Bullock. That's another one where they had this vision. Hollywood had this vision of what the internet was going to be and you would have these helpers. So in The Net, it was Mozart's ghost. And in this movie, it had that angel.
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It probably works, but sometimes the thing that puts me off Cruz, it's probably Cruz, right, over Hanks, but sometimes the thing that puts me off about Cruz and Hanks is that Cruz is so handsome, That the guy who plays the lead here has to have some sort of every man type of situation. But Tom Hanks just doesn't work in the role. And Tom Cruise does. That's the thing.
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But Cruise, you need a guy that's like, what did she say about him at the beginning of the movie? She says, you're handsome, but you're not irresistible. And that's like the perfect guy to play the role.
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It's just for me, I could just see Tom Cruise yelling at his wife, yelling at his bosses, yelling at his subordinates.
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That's what he does so well.
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What were Cruise's... Did he ever... He never had a movie like this. Never did he? He never did? Eyes Wide Shut was the closest. Yeah, he did. That's his rock thriller. Eyes Wide Shut.
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Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, fantasy team name. Alchemax is pretty strong for a horse. Alchemax is strong for a rock band too. Alchemax sounds good. Yeah. Going to see Alchemax tonight. Picky Knits. Meredith would not have made sure that the phone was hung up. Phone's just dangling.
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It's early cell phones. People don't really know how to work them like that, though.
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One of my nitpicks is the whole part with the we got it all on tape type of situation. I've been trying to get in touch with you. I can't get in touch with you. I got the whole thing on tape. I had that as well. Your whole career is in the balance.
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I brought the tape home from work so I could listen to it a couple of times.
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Here it is. Or Demi Moore on the, what is it? It's like some kind of bicycle. The Stairmaster just laying out her whole plan. And yeah, they're just literally just saying all the evil things they've done.
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So tomorrow we're going to set up Tom and blame the product launch on him.
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Just so we don't gloss over it. The dude who had the tape. is a freak right yeah he definitely masturbated he masturbated the tape no he said it yeah in the movie he goes I have the tape and I was listening to it with my girlfriend a couple of times oh yeah he's a freak sick freaky dog
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The legal proceedings just started in 24 hours. We had a lawyer and a judge, and we're just ready to roll.
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The merger's coming. Let's get it legal. The movie takes place over the course of one week, and the case is up and completely adjudicated. Lawyers, depositions. Lawyers, depots, and the whole no fucking way.
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Another thing is like as the case is going on, they're all still in the office and they're all acting like normal. Like when he gets in the elevator with Demi Moore, like somebody who just accused you of sexual harassment in the workplace, you're getting in an elevator with her alone? Immediately. Voluntarily? Immediately somebody's placed on leave.
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It's not even like he's on there first and she just big boys him and gets on. She's on there and he just goes, I'm just going to voluntarily hop in the elevator with somebody who falsely accused me. That's crazy.
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And it was like this thing was going to help you and find you and you could navigate the world with it. And then three years later, we had AOL and it was just like, yeah, I'm just going to send some emails to my friends.
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The settlement offer, once he has the tape, and it's clear that, you know, whatever. He gets his job back at $100,000. He's like fist pumping. I'm like, I'm going for like $5,000,000, $6,000,000.
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I mean, $100,000? Like, no.
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No. By far, my two biggest nitpicks were the tape and how quickly this was adjudicated.
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Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. I got to say, Presumed Innocent has proven that we can bring these back.
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Literally, this is what it says. We need the presumed innocent treatment.
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Yeah. Tomorrow. This should be season two of Presumed Innocent.
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I would love it as a prestige show.
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You can cast too hot. You could go a lot deeper with things. You could play a lot.
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My man Fassbender's doing TV shows now. I would love to see him in the lead role of this.
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Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sid Goldberg, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Nell, Byron Mayer, Harling Mays, Eva Laffer, Ramon Raymond, Long Legs, or Philip Baker Hall? I guess we could have put Dylan Baker in there too. Um... Can I give you long legs?
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It's funny though, but like Apple's like Apple intelligence thing, that's the whole thing. It's like you have an assistant with you that's just kind of following you around. Yeah, Siri. Well, I wrote that.
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Somebody's got the tip. You're having sex on it.
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I haven't done long legs for a band yet. Oh, my goodness. Just one Oscar who gets it. Demi Moore, man. I have Demi Moore as well.
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Yeah, I had Douglas. Okay.
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I had Michael Douglas.
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You love every man, Mike.
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You love him. I do. I do. I just appreciate the guy that literally gets caught with his pants down, but is still fighting tooth and nail as if like... Because if he's to be believed, he did absolutely nothing wrong. He was the model worker. He's always been that. And these people are out to get him. I just love the steadfastness.
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He does reconsider maybe some of his interactions with his assistant.
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There is an enlightening that comes along.
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Hey, sorry I slapped you on the ass with the files there. My bad. And the moment that he sees his assistant in there.
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That's a great, his face.
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His face is like, oh my God, I've slapped her on her ass before.
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I like the assistant. I thought she was a good actress. I don't know what happened to her.
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Her name's Jacqueline Kim.
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Yeah. I really liked her.
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I don't think that we can pass it up.
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Probably unanswerable questions. Did we ever figure out a really good way to do Malaysian CD-ROMs, or it was just a mess for the whole 90s?
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Elizabeth's son, did he become Jeff Bezos or some other 2000s billionaire?
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It seems like he was right there around the boom.
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Might have started something.
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They had like 200 million bucks. Definitely living off his Apple stock after the iPhone and the iPod go crazy. Sure.
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Did Meredith become our vice president nominee in 2008 on either side?
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Wow. Could have been. Did she come back and buy the company like she said she would?
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Did she become a billionaire?
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Did she become a billionaire?
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So the movie, the 2024 internet things, it kind of gets right. Angel is basically Siri. Yes. Email is basically email. The video calls are now Zoom. And the VR is like actually what the metaverse is. It's just the metaverse is way more interesting.
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I feel like she bounces back pretty strong.
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She took two days to figure out, what did I do wrong here? And then solved it and then was doing great.
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Yeah. There's actually a version of this, like a sequel just around her. But it's like a Sex and the City type situation on HBO. Suddenly I See comes on at the beginning and she's taking on the city.
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Any other unanswerables? No, not for me. Best double feature choice. I'm going with The Net.
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Then that's a good one.
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Let's just go with like, here's what we thought the internet was going to be like in 1994. Internet movie. You could also do any of the Everyman trilogy with Mike.
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I like, I picked Enemy of the State. Really? I like it. That's another good technology movie. It's just like paranoia, technology, like, you know, these systems of power that's just going to crush this regular guy just trying to get through the world and through his life. Yeah, that's what this movie kind of reminded me of.
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We did that one on the rewatchables a while ago, and it's so funny how it sees surveillance, where it's just like, it's the late 90s, and everywhere you go, we'll be able to see what you're doing with these cameras. And it's like, you can't even do that now?
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I mean, there's a lot of surveillance, man. No, you are.
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No, but Will Smith's in a dressing room, and they can zoom around the store and get in there.
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He always drops that. What? You have to explain the interrogation video.
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Are you talking about like First 48 or something? No, no. I go on YouTube and I watch interrogation videos.
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He likes seeing suspects get interrogated on YouTube. This is a YouTube search for bad.
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So you could be prepared if the cops ever interrogate you? No.
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You like the dynamics of the interrogation.
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I just like to watch a cop use the re-technique on a suspect to try to get information. And I learned so much. You're always on camera and your phone is telling the police and everybody else where you are at all times during the day. Like they know exactly where you are. So, but yeah, but my double feature choice, I ought to change it to the game because I hadn't thought about the game.
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It's a good one. Yeah. You know what? I will change it to that because I just had basic instinct, but that's literally basic. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. I think. I think it wasn't the technology that they got wrong. it was the application. It was how we would respond to it, right? And the way that we responded to it was the way humans respond to things, which is the simplest, pettiest way. Like, what could we use it for? How can it make our lives easier? How can it... But in very small ways.
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The Indian Reds is a Watanabe Award for what happened the next day. I think eventually Meredith becomes the center of New Mexico. Like 2002 range. Yeah. I think Tom gets divorced. I don't think the wife lets it go. I think it starts coming up.
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He takes the family to Napa and goes on like an insane wine bender. Like a sideways type bender? Yeah. I think Tom leaves the business.
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Too much has happened.
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I think they relocate to Ojai. I don't think the wife leaves him, but I do think that she sets an ultimatum that at this point you can't continue to be in the business like that. You got to get out of it.
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She definitely goes on a girl's trip where things happen.
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There's a revenge girl's trip that she locks down.
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What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?
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There's like a Sonics thing in his office that I thought was super cool. In Tom Sanders' office. That was cool to me.
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Yeah, I would want the basketball he has that makes no bouncing sound. Yeah.
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There's no sound at all. I would go with the Paul Meyer bottle. If it was unopened, just like movies, bottle of wine. I can't say. Just say you did the bra, man.
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It's the ripped panties.
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All right. It's fine. You want the panties themselves? Yeah, you can. Lord have mercy. I'm sorry.
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That was a Larry Sanders joke way a few years later. They were talking about Planet Hollywood. One of the characters said, so I can have lunch next to Demi Moore's ripped panties? I think it was already. Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson. Don't ever assume what the internet's going to be like. It could possibly be one.
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Life lesson for me... Dennis Miller says, 10 years from now, you're going to need a forklift to get it hard on. And I'm going to assume Michael Douglas is like 48. He's supposed to be in this movie. Probably 50. So that means in 20 years, I'm going to need a forklift to get it hard on. So that's the life lesson for me. Technology has changed it, brother.
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My life lesson is very simple. Man, don't give your boss a shoulder up. Like, there's nothing good that can come from it. The 7 p.m. glass of wine. The 7 p.m. glass of wine, shoulder up.
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It's a life lesson we knew, but somehow this movie didn't.
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Who won the movie? Give me more.
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For me, it's Levinson.
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I just love that this guy... Like, nobody would try to do this nowadays in terms of... Go out of your way to stake an opinion on all these weighty topics of women in the workplace and sexual harassment and technology and corporate culture and masculine. He has something to say about a bunch of weighty topics, and that's what I like the most about the movie. Now, look, I don't agree with...
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you know, his conclusions ultimately with everything. But I like that he has the balls to do it in a way that I just don't think filmmakers would do. They might stick to one thing. Like, you know, I just watched the Nora and they're talking about sex work. And it's like, all right, I'm going to talk about the nature of sex work.
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And, you know, there's going to be a little bit class mixed in, but we're sticking to like what it's like to be a sex worker, which is like, you know, a pretty weighty kind of thing. This guy's like, Five, six different weighty topics that he's just taking his hand in and just being like, here's what I think. Here's my take. Here's my whatever.
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And I thought it was a pretty entertaining movie in the process.
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I got Demi Moore. I got Demi Moore too.
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But Nora was about a sex worker who got mixed up with Russian Borat. That's my blurb. That's my one blurb for Nora. I love that movie. It's great. I like it too. Craig, now we're in a different studio. We have to stare at you through a blurry window, but you had never seen this movie. What was your take?
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10 out of 10. Love it. But you know how people say 10 out of 10, no notes. 10 out of 10, but a lot of notes, I would say. Yeah. It's a 10 out of 10 on the entertainment scale. This is like a they don't make them how they used to Hall of Fame. Yeah. Really up there. I just think these movies are becoming like cultural case studies. Like kids in school should be required.
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Literally, the whole thing became, do you got games on your phone? And so this was, but I think, I would watch futures from the past. And I watched this one guy from like 1959. And he was in black and white. He says, one day there's going to be a device. It's going to be in your pocket. And you're going to be able to do all your banking, book all your travel, do all your stuff from that device.
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Like if you're a sociology major, you should have to watch this movie just to see like what people were thinking and stuff in the 90s. Yeah. Also, you guys didn't bring up. So this movie came out in 94. Sam Levinson, born in 85. Sam Levinson, the creator of Euphoria, the son of Barry. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Come on, Craig. Great job, Craig.
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Sam probably saw this movie ten times when he was nine years old. Yeah. Probably was pretty formative. Explains a lot. For old Sam.
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That's a fantastic point.
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I like your cultural artifact.
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This is the thing with these movies that I think we try to make this point over and over again. This is just what people thought and acted and thought was a good idea in 1994. And it's really interesting to watch it in that context. It was the same thing for Philadelphia. The way they talk about homosexuality and AIDS in the movie, it's pretty accurate.
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It seems crazy now, but that was what 1993 was like.
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If Philadelphia came out now, I think it would be criticized for not being sensitive enough when the entire point of the movie... was to have a conversation about sensitivity and compassion. And you can only do that with the truth of the drama that was in the movie.
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And Denzel would make them change the character a little bit.
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I don't think he would. Or the filmmaker would. I think the filmmaker would. They'd be like, we can't have me this homophobic. A different actor might.
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But the conflict that's in Denzel in that movie, especially in that one scene, that's the point of the movie.
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Anything else, Craig? What did Liz think?
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It was a blast. We stopped at four different times to figure out If the plot made any sense. The answer is no. It's just, you know what the problem, like the movie's really fun and everything, but there's a couple of plot things that are just so stupid. Like they build up certain things and then there's no payoff. Like the voicemail was like this big thing. Like Liz clocked in the beginning.
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And then there was another one where it's like, oh, how are they going to take down Demi Moore? How are they going to take down Meredith? And then he just calls his buddy in some other city and he's like, hey, you got the files that shows Meredith doesn't know what she's doing? And he's like, yep. Yeah, right here. Hold on. I'll fax them to you right now. With no drop off. Yeah.
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I also want to say that these are the coolest offices I've ever seen in a movie by far. Yeah, for sure. The aesthetic in this movie is, especially now where everyone's in like 90s nostalgia mode, like the big clunky cluttered office, like the big physical computers. It's like perfect.
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Sounds like Disclosure was a big hit at the Craig House. Love it. They stopped it four or five times as Craig was watching. Yeah, I didn't want to find out more fish on that.
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All right, that's it for Disclosure. I think we made it. So much fun. Don't forget, for the people listening, you can go to the Den of Thieves, the Reden of Thieves taping on December 16th. Thanks to Craig Horbeck for producing. Thanks to Jack Sanders as well. And thank you, fellas. This is a pleasure. Excellent.
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It's like in 1959 he's saying this. And it seems like such a new world. And you have that device now. And you're on Pornhub. You know what I mean? It's just like you have that device.
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You're in Pornhub watching this movie.
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Exactly. Here's the thing though that I think a lot of people mention when they talk about basically how the internet has developed. I think when it was at its best is when there was less and less people on it. Where it's just these few niche groups. You go on your forum. You talk about your top five rappers on Questlove's rap forum. Okayplayer.com. Yeah. And keep it pushing.
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It wasn't this fraught thing. But then the more and more people, the more ubiquitous the internet became, the worse it got. That's just the reality of everything.
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Well, this movie came out 30 years ago.
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And in some ways, it feels like a hundred years ago. And then in other ways, like, I don't know, this movie, this was a big deal when it came out. It was a big deal that Demi Moore and Michael Douglas were in a movie together. It was during that crazy Michael Douglas run where he...
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which we've talked about before, but Romance in the Stone 1 and 2, Wall Street, Fatal Attraction, Black Rain, War of the Roses, Basic Instinct, this movie, American President, Ghost in the Darkness, The Game. He's probably the most bankable picking scripts actor we had. I don't think he was the best actor we had, but I think he had the best batting average of big market movies.
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He was able to develop such unique chemistry with every single female onscreen.
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That was the superpower.
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You're right. He was able to give you a completely different movie based upon the, he was a, in the American president, he's this charming, affable, vulnerable, most powerful man in the world.
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On fire right now. On fire?
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And in this, and in, in, in fatal attraction, um, he is completely overwhelmed by the woman, as he kind of is in this one. In Basic Instinct, he's shooter. He's shooter. He's like a weird, you don't know if you should be reading for him type of guy.
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Is that what the kids are saying?
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But he's got the dark side in this movie because she alludes to it. And then in one of the depositions, talks about like...
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That's what the kids are saying. We're on fire.
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vibrators all this stuff they did and she's like i know i know tom i know he i know he keeps secrets that's one of my favorite parts of the early part of the movie it's like the first scene is him with his family and it's like he is mr dad yeah it's the most generic family scene you could have he even makes a joke about like oh you didn't get the memo i was being dad of the year or whatever he makes a joke about it and as soon as he gets to the office like
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Higher learning. Ringerverse with Van Lathan. Exciting news for us on the Rewatchables. We're partnering up with Lionsgate. We've already done Den of Thieves as a pod. We're doing it again because the sequel's coming out this winter, and we have space for a very limited number of listeners to join us for an intimate live show on December 16th in downtown Los Angeles. Fans are going to be involved.
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Don't worry, folks. I'm Michael Douglas. I'm still horny. So it's like, I'm dad of the year. I'm Mr. Wholesome, but I still got that hobby.
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Well, they have to bring Dennis Miller into it to be like, this guy's got more ass than a rental car.
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But I noticed that it was even the slight pat on the butt of the secretary.
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Which is like one of the craziest moments of the movie.
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Oh, my God. Right. You can't do that. And this is kind of like the Mad Men thing. When you would watch Mad Men back in the day, Yeah. Guys would watch Mad Men, and there were two types of dudes that would watch it. Yes. One type of dude would watch Mad Men, and he would be like, damn, I can't believe they were able to do that. And the other guy would be like- Bring that back.
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Like, look how good we had it. So we could drink in the office at 2 o'clock. We could drink and smoke. And we had voluptuous women that we could say whatever we wanted to. This was the days. But you know when you're watching a film that that's going to come back to bite them in the ass at some point.
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And it literally does. One of the reasons this movie is so funny is They circle it around to the end where at the end, the assistant slaps him. And it's like, oh, who thought that was a good idea? There's a lot of moments where you're just like, wow. Who thought that was a good idea? But that was the mid-90s. Demi Moore. So the 90s resurgence she has, which starts with Ghost.
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She's in A Few Good Men. Decent Proposal. And then this movie.
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You call it a resurgence.
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Yeah, because she... After St.
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Elmo's Fire... I think it's a surgence.
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No, it's St. Elmo's... She was big in the mid-80s. And then she had some issues. But you look at her late 80s IMDb. It's pretty rough. Ghost is the comeback. And then she... By the time this movie comes out, she's probably the most bankable actress we had. What's weird is it's the peak... Cause after this, she has scarlet letter now and then striptease and the juror and it's over.
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So this was the peak. Um, she's never looked better in a movie. She looks unbelievable in this movie and she's really believable. I think as the, as the, you know, calculating office temptress, it's just,
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It's crazy because like when you look at her in the film, it's like, all right, this is like a professional woman. And she has like a kind of inviting sort of nature to her. But then once this woman starts talking, you realize you're dealing with a stone killer. And that just doesn't let up the entire movie. And it's not a way that I'm used to.
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thinking about Demi Moore, not deploying her like ferocity in that way, but she was just like, yeah, I got these people in my sights and I'm going to kill them. And she goes about the whole movie, almost pulls it off. But that's what I was struck by. I was like, oh, you know, this is a nice lady, you know, nice lady in a, you know, Kamala Harris sort of outfit. Right.
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And like, no, she's a, she's an assassin.
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Well, that's what he had with Basic Instinct too.
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To me, first, okay, so you say she never looked better in the movie. It's facts. Because I watched this on Prime Video, and then afterwards, it suggested striptease, and just for research purposes, I had to revisit it. Of course. So I revisited it. Sure, Calico is fine. Calico, come on, man. Let... Let the boys play, okay? Let the boys play.
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And this is her at her, you know, striptease, she got in super great shape and it was a big deal, $12 million. This is her at her absolute, the absolute peak of, oh my God, what a ridiculously beautiful creature. The problem that Demi Moore had is that the roles that she picked after this, she started trying to prove different things. She started trying to prove different stuff.
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The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
You know, it's funny. We talked a little bit in the green room, and I've mentioned on the show in the past that, like, 2024 was an interesting year for me personally. And I was chasing a lot of rabbits, trying to find, you know, cheap ways to feel good and all that kind of stuff.
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And like, it was like one day over the summer, you know, I'm probably like four or five months into this maybe dark period of whatever. I like woke up one day and I didn't feel good because I hadn't slept well and whatever. And I literally said like, I'm trying to feel good. Like that's the goal. Like I want to feel good. I want to feel like I have energy. I want to feel good.
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And instead of just doing the things that will make me feel good, eat right. You know, as simply as eat reasonably healthy, go to the gym four or five times a week and get a decent amount of sleep. I'm not doing any of those things. And then masking the shitty feeling with some beers or smoking a joint or whatever. And you're like, you're like, it just hit me. I'm like, how fucking stupid am I?
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Like, I know the thing, like these things make me feel good all the time. These other things over here are these cheap little, you know, three, four hour hits of feeling good. Yet we, we always, we always seem to move to the cheap, easy, like, like how, like, and you know, and I'm sure you've had your different struggles with different things at different times.
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Now they're flailing and searching and grasping and chasing every $27 faceless YouTube video course they can buy to try to find something that's fulfilling in their life. Or they turn to drugs or alcohol or sex, or they, you know, you know, whatever, whatever other destructive thing they can do, um, because they weren't consciously making decisions.
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Like everyone has like, how do you find we, we pull ourselves back to how do we convince ourselves that, to just feel good versus chasing the feel good with some sort of addiction or, you know, whatever.
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Yeah, that's really interesting. So I struggle with that same thing. Cause you know, as you said, it told my story in the Ted talk and other places. And like I have very similar, right. I was the, the poor kid from the country. Actually, when I was younger, I was like chubby and all this kind of stuff.
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So like my two nicknames coming into high school were Nassau, which is literally the town that I grew up in as a derogatory term. So like they use it as a derogatory term against me and fat boy. Those are my two nicknames coming into high school right now. Thank God. God, that my freshman year I grew six inches and all of a sudden I wasn't fat anymore because that solved some of the problems.
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They were, they were following a path that they thought they were supposed to follow. That being said, um, I think you have to find your way of doing things and it's the only way to do it. I think if you've already made it, it's substantially easier because, because of the transfer that you get the transfer expertise.
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But yeah, and then just my career and different things and you develop this chip. And once that chip sits on your shoulder, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the success is. If you don't, as you said, like start to deal with it and start to understand where it's coming from, it's always there.
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Like you have a big win and you feel great for like 30 seconds and all of a sudden you're like, okay, who am I going to conquer now? Like I need to go conquer something else, someone else. I need to prove someone else wrong. And I struggle with that even today because – I just, I find it to be such powerful fuel. It's like jet fuel. Yeah.
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But I think, you know, and the way I've started to deal with it is like maybe, and I don't know this for sure. Like I'm almost, I'd be super interested in your take having, knowing that you're kind of dealing with the same stuff is like, I've kind of said like, okay, maybe this is just part of who I am for whatever reason, right?
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Maybe it's so entrenched in my personality that I'm simply not going to be able to dig this out. So how do I take it and turn it from a negative into a positive? And the way I've been working through that here at 44 has been just simply competing against myself. How do I be a better version of myself? And the way that that has been positive for me has been sometimes that's,
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Being a little more understanding and less reactive to some crazy shit my kids do or not taking some hater online who, you know, comes after me for something that someone said on the podcast or whatever and getting emotional about it and just letting it roll because I it's more about my own performance. Right. And I don't as long as I feel good about it. So.
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I mean, like, do you think you feel like you're going to be able to deal with that and get rid of it? Or is it a tool that you use and when you need it, you just pull it out of your tool belt, use that fuel for a bit, and then you put it back in?
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So if you are, you're very successful at one thing and then you pick a second thing that you want to be very successful at. A lot of the trust respect that you get in the other will be transferred over and that makes it a lot easier to jump. However, I do think that if you're doing something unique and you give yourself a
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Yeah, I was listening to Tucker Carlson's podcast the other day. I like I like Tucker. He he can be batshit crazy, but I I really like him. And and he was talking about he was talking about his faith. And he said, you know, basically, whether you believe in God or not. your soul is seeking God, right? It is, right? And we find it in different ways.
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We can find it in, you know, we can pretend that we, you know, that we're secular. But ultimately, when you look into how someone lives their lives, there's a religion in their life, like something in their life becomes a religion. We always have a religion somewhere, whether we call it God or not. I call it God. I'm Christian and firm believer. And what I, my point in saying all that is,
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what's been very interesting to me as I've gotten older and I've started to focus more on having a relationship with God, that the more consistent that relationship is, the more at peace and in tune I found my life to be. And that is not revolutionary information.
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You know, that's been said a million, probably a hundred million times over the course of, you know, since Jesus, but it is 100% true that like, I find myself the most at peace when I am properly aligned with things that I consider bigger than myself, if that makes sense.
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an appropriate timeframe to be successful, I think you can do it on the side. I absolutely think you can. I think what people miss on that is, I think where people miss is they set expectations like it's the only thing they're doing. They have plenty of cash in the bank to ride through the downtimes. When that person, it may only take them six months to a year to get where they want to be.
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When it's about me, when the thing is I'm not making enough money, I don't have the position, not enough people are downloading my podcast or whatever stupid thing is about me, my body starts craving sugar, it starts craving alcohol or whatever escape I can find.
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And when it's about, you know, when it's about God, when it's about my community, when it's about, you know, taking responsibility for the people in my company and making sure they're taken care of. And all of a sudden it's like, miraculously, you don't need those things. Like your body just doesn't literally doesn't crave them.
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And, you know, I, you know, we haven't gone through these journeys, um, like One, have you found that? And two, how do you cultivate that in your life? It seems like you might be going through it right now.
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Dude. So this is so wild that you're saying this. So during, during the period that I've mentioned this to start, I don't mean to keep coming back to this, but it happened in the last year. So it's, you know, and I've worked my way out of it. So a lot of these things are like really clear in my mind. Um, during that time period, um,
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When I'm, you know, just felt very lost, you know, rudderless, like it was the first time in my life I didn't know the next thing that I wanted to do. Like I didn't know, okay, I've always kind of known how I want to contribute to whatever I wanted to do. And I literally don't know right now, right? I'm purposeless at that moment. Maybe outside of making sure my kids were happy.
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You know, I didn't get a place. I had this, I'll call it a testosterone scare. Like, it's February of 2024, and it's, you know, I'm used to New York winters. I'm used to, you know, vitamin D deficiency. I'm used to the winter blues that happens up here, which is a very real thing. You know, in Albany, New York, where I live, we see 66 days of full sun a year. That's it, 66 days.
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So, like, I'm used to what that feels like and how to navigate that. And, dude, it was like I hit a brick wall. I couldn't get out of bed, no libido, no energy, did not want to go to the gym, nothing. Like, and I'm a seven-day-a-week guy when I'm dialed in, like, you know, in terms of working out.
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The person who's doing it as a side hustle or isn't capitalized, it might take you four years or five years to get there, and you need to be okay with that.
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So I take this at-home testosterone test through one of the companies that actually Huberman recommends. And I find my testosterone is in the seventh percentile of men. The seventh. Basically, I'm at zero. And... And... Like, so I call my doctor and I'm like, you know, at this point I'm 43. I'm like, I'm 43 years old, like pretty fit guy. Like, I'm not like, what the, what is going on?
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And so we started talking and basically she explains that like, and this is to your point about retirement. Like, she's like, when your body feels like you're done contributing, like, it essentially just starts shutting down. Like, it's just like, okay, you're done contributing. You know what I mean? Like you've hit your usefulness to society, like start shutting down.
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And it like, now, you know, I took some, I took, you know, some meds or whatever. I got myself back in track and now I'm fine. But like, it was wild that in this moment where like, I felt no purpose, no meaning, felt rudderless, didn't have energy that my body was just like, he must be done. You know, we'll just stop doing the things that makes you like a man. It makes you, you know, in this case.
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And I honestly believe, and this is another reason why I would never retire is like, I do honestly believe that your body is listening to you. And as long as you have purpose, have meaning, have a reason to keep showing up, keep getting up in the morning that drives you, your body will do absolutely everything it can to make sure that you continue to show up.
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But the moment you like downshift into, hey, I'm just going to coast, your body's like, we don't really need to keep going. We're good. And I have zero evidence beyond – actually, most of the figures in your book are probably right there.
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But I believe that's a real thing, and I think we have to be very cognizant of that, that we don't expect, hey, I'm going to hit 62 and live for another 20 years in bliss not working and being able to do all these things I want. Because as you say in your book, the year that – when the retirement age was set at 62, the lifespan of a male was only seven more years. That's it.
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You had seven years post-retirement. It was the average life expectancy.
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How do we start to really position this tactically? If I'm sitting here and I'm going, I'm either that hand-wringing grinder that can't stop, or I do have this false sense of this utopian life that I'm going to live when I hit a number. What are some of the very first tactical things, even if it's just self-awareness or an exercise or something that I can do to start to go, what do I really want?
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Even when you sit down, how do I determine... what is it that I really want to do? Do I really want to retire? Like, how do I work through that mentally to start making these decisions? Yeah.
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One, I love the way that you're approaching this topic. Like, I think it's fucking incredible. I think this is a topic that no one is talking about, yet everyone is dealing with, a la the conversation we just had in the green room. Like, there are – I think this is a real existential problem.
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Yeah, I agree. I really like where you started, too, about... Spend some time and get your mind right before you make these long-term decisions. I think that's a really important point. I had a young guy listening to the show randomly text me the other day. I don't even know how he got my phone number, but not that I cared. And he's like, man, I'm struggling. I've been procrastinating.
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And, like, you know, I know part of the catalyst for writing this book was your dad and the issues that he went through, the health stuff that he went through. But – Uh, like, where did this come from in your own life? Like, was this something you were dealing with and you felt like you had to get through this and then you wanted to write it or are you dealing with it right now?
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I'm ruminating on all these dark ideas, and I'm not sure what I want to do with my life, whatever. And he's like in his mid-20s, and part of me was like, bro, you're a baby. Like, just keep going. Like, you got a long way before you have to worry about some of these things. Like, just keep going. I didn't go that route. He was in a place where I wanted to be very positive.
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So I'm just kind of like asking him questions like, hey, you drinking or smoking? No. I'm like, what's going on with your sleep? He's like, I can't sleep, blah, blah, blah. And I said, well, are you working out? And he's like, no. I go, zero workouts. He goes, no workouts. I go, here's what I want you to do. Do not text me again for a month.
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Go work out four to five times a week for a month, and then I want you to text me. I guarantee the tone of your text will be different. Yeah. And that was a little over a month ago, and he texted me two days ago and was like, dude... I still don't know what I want to do, but I'm sleeping. I'm feeling better. I'm not procrastinating on shit anymore.
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And sometimes it's just get yourself in a position. Just do a few of the right things. You can eat fries. Just eat reasonably well the rest of the week. You know what I mean? It's not... I feel like we've gotten into this black or white society where if I'm going to eat healthy, I have to be organic and vegetables and meat only.
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And if I'm going to work out, I got to go seven days a week and have a program. And it's like, eh. Just start with a few things. Like start with just something small that gets you in the right direction and that momentum will take you there. And then, to your point, once you're feeling a little better, you can kind of pick your head up and look around and go, okay, what do I want to do?
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And I think this is something that I don't think we talk about enough is like the seasons of life, right? Like when you're in your 20s, just go do shit, dry shit, break shit, get fired, start a company, try different places in the country, whatever, whatever your life is, but like bang into things and see how they feel in your twenties.
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Like I think sometimes people get so hung up on if I don't do my twenties right, then I'm screwed. And it's like, I'll tell you firsthand, I wasted my twenties. I had no idea what I wanted to do. Yeah, I had jobs, but none of them were productive. None of them really set my course. I wasn't fulfilled by any of them. It wasn't until my 30s until I started to find those things.
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And now I find myself in a, I'm in a very good place. I work for a great company. You know, I get to talk to amazing people like you. I'm coming down to your book launch in a few weeks. Like, you know, it give yourself time and, and, and just incrementally grow instead of this. Like if I don't do this now I'm screwed. And then that puts you in a mindset of I'm screwed.
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So now I'm not going to do anything. And then all of a sudden you find yourself 50 pounds overweight, stuffing chips and in your face while you're ripping down heaters and your life sucks.
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Like, like what in your life was like, this is something I got to put the work in necessary to write a book about.
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Dude. And then to your point, you're chased, then you're chasing it the next day, right? Then you're having way too much caffeine to try to keep yourself awake or something worse. You're, you know, you know, you got to take five extra nicotine pouches or cigarettes or whatever, you know what I mean?
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Like then all of a sudden you're chasing it the next day when you wake up in the morning and you are in that great place, you're, you're just, your body doesn't crave it. And, uh, I'll tell you, you know, we'll kind of, I'll, I'll leave it with this, you know, I, What works for me is just, I have a very simple mantra that's nothing unique, but works for me is just act as if, right?
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Like what would the version of me do? That's a fucking rock star, right? Like that wakes up in the morning, crushes the day, you know, on top of everything, getting everything done, getting back to people, being the dad I want to be, being the partner I want to be, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Like what does that guy do? Yep. And then just act like him. I'm not him.
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Because I do fuck up all the time, right? And I'll probably never be that guy because that might be an unattainable goal. However... If I act as if I'm him, I make a lot more of the right decisions. And I literally said pizza is another one for me to do. I love pizza, like just about everybody. But it just does not work for my body. It just all the it just I just I hate the way I feel.
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So like I just when I look when people are having pizza, I just look at it and I'm just like I literally say to myself like. The version of me that's a killer doesn't eat pizza, so I'm just not going to do it. And it's like finding these little things, and it'll be different for everybody, but you find these little things that you can say to yourself in moments.
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And, man, it's amazing what one little phrase, one little thought can steer you away from these negative things.
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Yeah, I completely agree. Dude, I cannot wait for your book launch party that you're having. I'm so excited. It's going to be awesome. Yeah, it's going to be great to IRL a little bit. And just happy for you and everything you have going for the book. Tell people where they can find the book. Can you preorder it now? Give them all the details.
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And guys, everything that Derek shares, just scroll down, whether it's YouTube or wherever you're listening to the podcast. I'll have all the links in the show notes.
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The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
Yeah, guys, and while you're pre-ordering Let's Retire Retirement, also pick up Networking is Not Working, which is another incredible book that you wrote as well. And that was actually, when that book came out, it's the last time you were on the show. So we'll have to make sure there's not such a big gap between appearances because I love having you on. Our conversations are always awesome.
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Dude, appreciate the hell out of you. So happy for you guys. I've read the book. I got a, I got a early, early copy. Um, incredible. You're going to take a ton away from it. And, uh, I'll tell you what else, this is a sneaky side benefit to Derek's book. You gain a lot of cocktail party fodder, like stats that you can use to sound super smart when you're in cocktail parties as well.
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And I've already used a That's just a little bonus that you get as well. There's a lot of these little stats that you can use in cocktail parties if that's important to you. Oh, yeah. All right. Appreciate you, bud. Be good. Thanks so much, Ryan. Appreciate you.
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I was really intrigued by the research in the book around where retirement came from and how new of a concept this actually is. The first retirement fund started, I think in your book you say 1883 with American Express or something like that. That's 140 years ago, 150 years ago. That's not that long ago that retirement wasn't even a concept, wasn't even something that we thought about.
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And now all of a sudden it's like this goal that we're shooting for. One of the things that I think is interesting is I have never even contemplated the idea of retiring. I honestly can't even imagine a day where I'm not doing something that is work, right? It might not be the work I'm doing today. It might be something different.
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But the idea of just like one day turning the computer off and grabbing my mug and my pictures off my desk and like walking out the door and never coming back and just – I can't even imagine what that life would look like. But I think also today, and this is why I think this is so intriguing, is we've been in a very inflationary state the last five plus years.
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
The idea, too, that you're going to be able to get to a retirement age and know- What what that looks like, like what you actually need and that you're like, how do you even plan for that because of how crazy inflation has been? It used to be like, what, three, four percent. And, you know, there was some calculation.
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
Yeah, I think, so I think there's two sides to that. So one, I have both had the money and not had the money at different times, right? So I felt it both ways. Here's where I kind of come out on this. I honestly don't know if you can do it the way everyone does it and truly be successful and happy anymore. I think even the people that choose that path, I don't think they're happy with that path.
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
But, you know, when you're looking at years of 12, 15 percent inflation, I mean, that has to mess everything up.
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
So the one thing that I do for myself is I have a country club membership. I like golf. It's almost like, I'm not a big meditator. I've just never, I can't sit still for that long. And I just don't, I mean, I get the value of it. I've done it and I, and I feel better afterwards, but it's just, I found that I'm just not, I'm just not going to slow down and do it. However,
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
going out and hitting a bucket of balls for 45 minutes and just that motion over and over again, I come away with a very similar feeling. I'm a little active and it really works for me and whatever. But there's this part of me that is like, Like, dude, do you deserve, do you deserve to do that?
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
And I think one of the, what you're really addressing is how to, how to find harmony in our life today and enjoying how we, you know, what we have in front of us today, as well as setting ourselves up and finding that. So like when you, when you're talking to someone about this concept, How do you start that conversation with them?
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
Because there's there's a lot of people, I think, that have my mindset, which is like, you know, that's something I'll I don't deserve that until I've made it or I don't deserve that until I hit a certain age or I don't deserve that until my kids hit a certain age or whatever. And we kind of we kind of push our life out into the this future, as you said, that we have almost no ability to predict.
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
I think they've just made a compromise to find harmony in their life and in maybe another place, right? Like I really love doing hundred mile runs and being at my kids sports games. So I'm going to work this, you know, nine to five type job that, you know, maybe I can do well, but don't particularly care for. But it allows me to do the other things that I have in my life.
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
It's so funny, dude, because when you're in your twenties and thirties, like, and probably your 30s is where you start to learn the lesson if you learn it, is like you're just go, go, go 24-7. And I do think there's seasons in your life where you need to press, right? You need to press beyond what most people are doing. However, what I've found is that once you – and I think some of that is –
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
searching for your zone of genius. But once you figure out what your zone of genius is, and you can start to monetize that, whether it's in a leadership position in a company, starting a company, whatever, whatever your place is, and you can make some decent income, I've actually found at this point in my career, even though I'm capable of 8, 10, and when I need more hours in a day,
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
I found that six hours is like if I work more than six hours in a day, any of the hours past six hours of work, it's like bullshit. My brain's not functioning. I'm not on top of my game. I'm not super creative. Maybe I can answer some emails, but I'm not getting anything done. And anything that I do create in that time is usually something I'm then going to have to rework or
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
you know, I'm not super proud of to begin with. And that's a really tough, it's really tough to like to downshift. It feels like a downshift, but it's really not. Does that, does that make sense? Like, I mean, and I'm interested in your take on this.
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
Like I would rather at this point in my career give six hours that I know are, is a plus work and maybe four is a plus and the rest is a minus B plus work. But like, than eight hours of C plus work or 10 hours of C plus work, which is I think what most people, they convince themselves they need to do it even though they're not giving their best effort. And one, do you agree with this concept?
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
I think if you consciously make that decision, and that was a big part of where the TED Talk came from, if that's a conscious decision, more power to you. I think where people really, and I think this is where a lot of people are finding themselves today, is... they didn't consciously make that decision, right?
The Ryan Hanley Show
The Retirement Fallacy: Embracing Fulfillment Now | Derek Coburn
Two, have you found it? And three, how do you start to reframe your mindset if you are that person that's still trying to grind and still burning yourself out and still not able to find those places that you can get a little bit of your life back?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, get real sleepy after that. I don't really want to feel so sleepy in here today. Yeah, I got a bunch of shit to do tonight. I'm supposed to go have sausage and egg and cheese biscuits. Where? At freaking Waffle House? 24 Diner. It's this new quaint little number. You're going to love it. It's on the east side. It's 24 hours a day. Seven days a week? Wednesday through Sunday. Damn.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
We did have to get her, well, I got to be honest, we did have to get her a rain jacket and rain boots for Nashville coming up. Just in case. Yeah, it's about to be a big storm.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh my gosh, and she would just float down the road and we would double see her again. She'd just be floating in a little peanut shell.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Like Marcel the Shell.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh my gosh, she would be able to make a little raft out of peanut shells and get out of there.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
That was a fun kind of voice. Because my throat's almost out.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Hold on. How are you doing that?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Grant, are you cool with, by the way, are you cool with me opening this?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Or like, do we need to keep it shut? Please, by all means, open it. We already got the stem. So this is all secondary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll keep the box for you because we know you like keeping all that other stuff with it, too.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
We'll keep it around for you. It does devalue it a little bit, but it's fine for the show.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, yes. Hold on. She already wants to try it on. Ooh, it smells like a new shoe. How do they do that?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Damn. Wait, leather soap for your body? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. And it smells good?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Like it's soap. It's leather scented soap. Damn, that's cool. What is it? Like a brown color? It's gray. Oh, gray.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my gosh. Well, that sounds exciting. Have you used it yet?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
No, but I was smelling it like crazy in the aisles yesterday. That's like the best part of going to the freaking grocery store is being able to smell the stuff inside. Sometimes I'll just do little random immunity shots too. I'll just do ginger, turmeric. I'll just do all kinds of health stuff.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
And then put them back in some other part of the freezer section or something?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I got nothing. So like Miss Amy O, but instead of crack cocaine, it's a cyanide capsule. I wonder how she's doing. I shouldn't even bring her up. Not in a bad way. Not in a bad way. Wait, she has crack in her tooth?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, three strikes, you're out.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah. Not 20. Yeah, she was on episode seven. Yeah, she had crack cocaine.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, my gosh. So you haven't been, yeah. We need to have her. What episode are we on now?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah. No, really?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
What is it?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I honestly don't even know. What is it, Grant?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
This is going to be 175, I want to say.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Whoa. 175 and you didn't even warn us it was going to be the 175th episode?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I might be wrong. It might be 176. So we already missed the 175th.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
So it was last time.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
That's worse news, JP.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
That's like a big one. I'm sorry.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
And I'd watch that and I would kind of cheer. I'm going to kind of cheer.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
God. I don't know what that means even. Well, that's a good thing because it's going to be a giant surprise, I'm sure.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I'm just going to fucking potato sack your ass. You think we're fucking around today? We're not. We can make this $175. Yeah, you better delete an old one.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Just delete something. We'll just get rid of one.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah. Yeah, so this will be 175. You just got to find something to delete.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, just delete one of the ones where I look tired.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, maybe she could be on 200th anniversary. Ask the patrons. Well, I started getting scared when she was talking about how her husband was on to us. And I was like, what are you talking about? And he's some truck driver. I thought, oh, my gosh, this guy's going to get me. But, Miss Amy O, I hope you're well. I haven't seen your ass in a long time. But I hope all is well. That's true.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Is it on the east side? I thought it was on Lamar. I guess maybe they have multiple locations.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I haven't seen her in a long time. I feel like I used to see her all the time. What are you supposed to mean by that? Yeah, what's that? What are you insinuating?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I was trying to downgrade back to this backdrop.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, bring it back to Disney. Bring it back down to Earth. Downgrade. Yeah, why are you using that terminology? Why are you saying downgrade to Disney? It's like, what? Casey was so sweet, brought us all Disney stuff, and you're like, yeah, okay, I'm going to downgrade to Disney now.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, because you got the wrong shoe because Casey got the wrong shoe. He couldn't help that.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I feel like he knows what he did.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I could have bought six different shoes two ways to Tuesday. You still luck of the draw. You still couldn't have got a goofy. Yeah, you might have gotten six of these and then you would have. Well, I don't know how you would have felt after that. I would have tried to throw a punch and I would have caught it. Yeah, and then I'm dropping another $5 bill saying, you need to pick this up, please.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
You fall for it again, thank God. So I get to pancake your ass a second time. But then I got to really catch him because it's like his head was about to hit something hard. So we couldn't allow his head to hit the side of the desk.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
You've been. But it's on Guadaluplin. Yeah, Guadaluplin. Yes. That rings a bell. But they have these sausage, what do you call it, and gravy biscuits. Oh, yeah, the sausage and gravy. I love that stuff. I got no sleep last night because I kept having this dream about Jeepers Creepers. What, like the scary guy in Jeepers Creepers? The scary guy. So in my dream, I pull up to a rest stop.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I'm feeling a little titillin'. Really? Mm-hmm. Did you hear that, Grant? Are y'all going to be able to even... Mike's office looks a little better. They got the leaves out, I think, which is good.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
We do got leaves there. It's a little bit more padded.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
It's a little more padded?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, but you guys already signed that waiver, so... We didn't sign shit, by the way. No, I didn't sign crap.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, I didn't sign anything. If I did, I'd use my fake name. Yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I got your signatures.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Well, whatever. You know what I would put this in? The Indian in the Cupboard. If I could put something in that and then it'd be like a real, because this is like a real shoe, but it's like if you put this thing in the Indian in the Cupboard. Native American. Probably turning leather or something. You know what I mean? It's turning into a shoe. Oh, for sure. Native American in the Cupboard. Yes.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Excuse me.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yes, I think it would go. It does smell so good. I know, it does somehow smell. It's very surprising. It somehow does smell. The Indian in the cupboard, okay, that's just another cover of it.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, it's not a resolution.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
this smells so good i don't even know if i can take i kind of want to wear it as a mustache all day i know oh my gosh get some of the silly putty stuff or something and put it on some of that and then some on your face and then you can connect god indian in the rift cupboard where my 90s kids at i know you would not want to get stuck the native american guy in the cupboard
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I don't think that's what the Indian fellow would have wanted, though, Grant. Come on. And then also, Grant, I don't know if you remember the moral of that story, because he ends up putting a Darth Vetus in there, and it comes alive, too. Yeah, I know. Have you ever thought about that? That's crazy.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
What would the shoe do?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
What, if you put the shoe in there?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
It'd become a big-ass human shoe, dumbass. Yeah, if it's a miniature shoe, because normally it's just regular size. It goes in like a toy size and it comes out a toy size. But if it's a little shoe, it's coming out regular size. Would it talk? It could even have like a mouth. We don't know quite what. It could anthropomorphize. Yeah, but not too smart, but kind of smart.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
You don't have to worry about it, but it's pretty smart for a little shoe. It's smarter than a shoe would be otherwise. We'll say that. Ooh, and maybe the mouth can be like this front part. It opens up like you've got a busted shoe. I would only assume that the mouth would not be the top because that would be kind of hard to talk. Yeah, no way it's that.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
God, there was this guy when I freaking was working in Wyoming who he always had to put the shoe people. I can't even look at them. I can't even look at them.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Well, it's so weird this came up because next week on that show, it's the Power Rangers. It sounds like it was a disaster on the Power Rangers on the show about the actors. And the next week it is the shoe people. So it's so weird that you did the shoe people up here. Yeah, that's after the Power Rangers.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
God, it's showing the Power Rangers when it's like showing a sword and it's like, yeah, he stuck them all the way through. And then the girls getting thrown out of the car and then other people dying. It's like, come on, let me just enjoy Power Rangers. Is nothing sacred? Yeah, it's like the dude from Seventh Heaven. It's like, okay, I get it. He's horrible, but let me enjoy Seventh Heaven.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I know. He taught a lot of good lessons, did a lot of bad things.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
You guys want to know something cool about the shoe people? Huh? This was the first Western TV series to be shown in the Soviet Union.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, no shit. Russians would be all over this. The shoe talk. The shoe is friend. So scary. Fuck that.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, they're probably watching this right now on their cell phones and the freaking foxholes fighting the Ukrainians. It's probably still a whole bunch of shoe people. This is probably the Muppets to Russians. This is like famous. And again, that's why it's going to be so controversial when it comes out in a couple of weeks, that episode.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, the guy, a couple of the shoes, they don't know where they are. The guy that created it, they don't know where he is.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, curb stompings. One of the other people, they don't know where they are. It's like they can't find anybody to even do the show, so I don't even know what they're going to do. So most of the shoe people I'm gathering are missing. They're straight up missing. They are missing. They're gone. So I don't even know what's going to happen.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
These are shoes you would love. One shoe is blue. The other one is green. It's good for children to teach lessons.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my gosh. And they have the country guy with one tooth up there. Kind of by your head. That looks like a country guy.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Is that Strategic Grant? Yeah, why'd you do Casey like that?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Here's a better one of you.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, hell yeah. Thanks. Yeah, right? Oh, that's a cool one. Damn.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
That's actually really cool. Is he at a bowling alley? I love that. I don't know what he's doing. Is this sheep? Yeah, it looks like he is at a bowling alley, like an outdoor bowling alley. That's where a lot of the episodes were. They all worked at that outdoor bowling alley.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yes, the shoe, they go bowling balls like Jesus. So cool.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, and it was always good, but it was always raining. So they always had to be like, okay, don't throw any more bowling balls. It's like going to get holes in there. Yeah, I mean, it's mud everywhere, so let's not do that. Then that's where all the hijinks, everybody messing around like, how are we going to dry this mud?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Damn.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I know, that's a hilarious one. It's like, hold on, how are we even going to dry this stuff? And then the one guy's blowing on it, and you're thinking, that's going to take forever. Yeah, I think that would take a matter of weeks, my boy. Yeah, I mean, that little ass mouth you got, I mean, it's not even going to work, dude.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
So apparently the face is at the very top. Trampy. And that's for Trampy, the guy, yeah, James Driscoll. Gosh. Trampling. That's when the clown went to heaven, right above your head. It was on the freaking Lockerbie. I think it was in Lockerbie. The plane that went down. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was a part of Operation Desert Storm.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I was starting to watch that last night. I still don't know who did the Lockerbie bombing. It's sounding like maybe some Libyans or something. I know.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
They still don't know?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Could have been some sort of expat, deep state CIA double cross, but. The poor guy that went outside of his house and turned his lantern on and then sees the girl on his bushes with one shoe on and one shoe off. And that's what he'll always remember.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Because she got blown out of a plane? Yeah, got blown the fuck up out of a plane, and then one shoe stayed on, and one shoe fell off, and that's what he'll always remember. It's messed up. I don't even want to say this, because this is kind of disrespectful to the victims.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I would slide on my feet, and I would... Right when you hit the ground, you're able... Right before you catch that upwind... So it's basically like this. Falling, falling, falling. Extend body.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Land. It seems like it would create some upwind, and then you're hitting the ground right then, and it's perfect. And there'd be a bunch of skid marks where your feet were. Damn. You gotta make sure you hit the timing right on that stuff, dude. Because I watched a video last night, kind of late, and it was some dude jumping from four stories up into a swimming pool that was like six feet deep.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
And then in my dream, the only thing I remember saying is, what are the chances he even speaks English? And then you like woke up or he did it. Did he end up talking to you? I woke up because my girlfriend is in town visiting and she woke me up right at that moment.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
And he goes in, and then you see, like, blood at the end.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, no. Something happened to his legs. Why are you looking at me like that, Gator?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Gator, don't be mad at him for getting you the toy. You're ready. Gator, you're really going to love the toy. You got to warm up to it, Goofy.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Gator, your name ain't even Goofy.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Gator, I got a sweet little tongue kiss for a minute.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
That's what I say all the time to her. For a minute.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
She said she didn't even want to be in front of the camera today, and here she is, but we really don't care no more.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, it's like the opposite of a dog whistle. It's just the dogs can't hear you talk. What is that?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Is that how Caesar Millian sounds? The other Millian? Was that his name? The dog whisperer?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Is that how he sounds?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
To dogs? Wait, there's no way that's how he sounds. Her dogs couldn't even understand him. No. Yeah, it's on a different frequency. Yeah, yeah. He doesn't talk like that at all. Pull up Caesar Millian, um, Shirless or something. Shirless? See if it exists. Is he related to Judge Millian? I've never even thought about that before.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Could be a brother.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
It could be a brother. I don't know. Showbiz family.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I'm not sure if this is the same guy. Here. Put him up over here.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
You have to believe me. He must have been. And just like the Long Island medium woman. Yeah. She said, I'm able to get in people's heads. I'm able to read people's thoughts. Give me a show. Give me a shot.
The William Montgomery Show
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Here's him from The Sims. If that helps, shirtless.
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There's a special Million version of The Sims that came out. Yeah, Million Edition.
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The Sims Meme House Edition.
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Or am I thinking of Baby Geniuses? I might be crossing these two.
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I think it was a very similar thing. That's why they got in trouble.
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I was like kicking. Damn. I thought she was creepy. Damn. And that's a, that's a legit question. I mean, what language does the monster speak? That's a legit, who knows? I mean, the mummy, what's he speak? He's speaking like Egyptian. He's not speaking.
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It's kind of cool. The Revenge of Kitty Galore. What is that? Are there two different ones? They made two of those? Yeah, I believe that's the original and the sequel. God, I wonder how much those animal actors were making. Probably pennies on the dollar. Yeah, it's probably nothing good. It's like really sad. I'm sorry, Gator. I didn't even mean to bring that up.
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I'm just thinking about her kissing me earlier, not to bring it back. And just immediately smelling and like tasting shit.
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then realizing it's from the cow penis i don't why do cow penises stink like that that's all i'm trying seriously that's what i'm trying to figure out well dogs love stinky stuff they love to eat like putrid smell like they love like rotten things they're nasty i know i know if i if you were a dog you think you would too if i was a dog i think my number one food would probably be toenails oh nasty
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Oh, nice, nice.
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And that'd probably be good for your tummy.
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Yes, yes, yes. Oh my gosh. And then Survivor messed it all up.
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Yeah, it looks horrible on Survivor. They had to stop doing it on Survivor.
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Really? They stopped making meat bugs?
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The big stinky grub. Worm's a big fat one. Yeah, not allowed. I know, it looks like it'd be yummy. Especially if you're real hungry. Yeah, like a big marshmallow. And that's what you could think of. It would probably help you. Then you could be like, oh my gosh, what is this? A freaking marshmallow? Y'all got more of these things? I'm kind of starving. I need more. I need more of these.
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Make a s'more with a grub worm, a beetle, and a piece of bark. We need to do that. Maybe that, again, it's beginning of quarter two. Maybe we need to think about that first Shark Tank thing. Sure. Seriously, we got to get on Shark Tank somehow. Somehow. I'm down to pitch basically anything. We got to figure it out. And Grant, are you going to be game? Yeah, are we eating bugs?
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You think Michael let your ass out of here some? I think so. We might have to be on the road some doing it. It's not. Mike's going to let your ass get out of here?
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It's not a one day thing, dude. This is like several weeks probably.
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Wait, this is Shark Tank?
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Yeah, like us preparing for Shark Tank. We're going to get everything together. We might have to fly to another country. We got to go to like road shows. We got to pitch to Lowe's and Home Depot.
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If you happen to run into the mummy, what count Dracula? That's Scandinavia. Yeah. Scandinavian freaking. What are the odds? I think it's so. Xeno xenophobic. Yeah, to assume that all monsters speak English. Why would GP Creepy speak English? His ass is speaking Filipino or something. Yeah. His ass is speaking something from the islands or somewhere. I don't know.
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Grant, we already, see? We already know kind of what's going on. Seriously.
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I didn't realize you guys have an in. I'm down.
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Okay.
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It's a tax haven. Where'd you set it up? Down in the Bahamas or somewhere?
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In Lichtenstein? I had to set one up in Lichtenstein. Really? Yeah. Super weird people over there, dude. Super. But Grant, that's it. That's it. That's what we're going to have to be doing. We're going to have to be traveling around.
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I am down. I'm down to do this.
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What about your kids, dude?
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Yeah. We're fine.
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Not without their dad.
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Are we going to put them to work?
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Would they be willing? I mean... Like, there will be blood. He's got to have his little son with him.
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They won't have a choice in the matter. I mean, if we need him for the business, we need him for the business.
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We go into these fucking places. You're going to have to act more excited, though, sometimes, Grant, because it's going to kill us. If we get our foot in the door in a Home Depot, and your ass, we literally open up the door, and you're saying that kind of shit... Dude, we're dead in the water.
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You're going to mess us up. We're dead in the water, dude. Yeah. They're going to be like, what is he saying? We got this.
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Yeah. They're just looking at each other like, what is he talking?
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Don't ask any questions.
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We gotta try to save face. Yeah, you're just like, I know what your daughters are wearing. It's damage control at this point.
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It's like we finally get into fucking Home Depot.
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We finally get into Lowe's and it's like, what? Why? No, no, no, this is not what we planned.
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Yeah, we're so sorry. Please understand, let us come back next week, please.
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Yeah. Please, we're on our knees.
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Please, Mark Cuban, please. Please, Damon. We'll take anything. And what is her... Lori.
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No, what's the older lady's name? Barbara. Barbara. Please, Barbara. Please, Bob. Please, Barbara. I bit my tongue in the parking lot.
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That's where the munchausen comes in.
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Yeah, people went immediately like, oh my gosh, how's he even talking? He bit his tongue in the parking lot? How's he even talking? This guy means business. I nearly bit it clean off, Barb. I swear to God. Yikes, I am not liking this. What is this?
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A little bit CGI, and that looks like Dr. Phib in the middle.
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Yeah, what in the fuck? I hate that shit. And Barbara, if you're watching this, we've gotten hints that you do watch this maybe, but Barbara, if you are watching this, tell them to do it down a little bit on your face during the episode because it looks like you're a ghost or something. Like it looks like she's a ghost.
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Yeah, you're right. Her beauty filter. Barbara, please listen to us. You look older than you think you look, okay? You're making yourself look way older, Barbara, but we love you. We love what you've done.
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Wait, does your whole finger fit in that?
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It sure looks like you have half a finger right now. It should keep going. Yes. Shocked or horny? Let the truth decide. Wait, seriously though, what happened to your pinky finger? William, that's where the cash comes in. Interested in investing? Wait, you're telling me your whole pinky finger was in there and it... Be my guest. How about you try?
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Somewhere, but not American, not English. No. Something like that was not bred in the States. It's something from, honestly, a different plane of existence. Wait, so what do you mean when you say like a deer eye? Wait, so what does that look like?
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I bet you think, hey, my finger's way too big to fit in this thing.
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I just learned that just from messing around with it.
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Mom, I'm sorry I wasn't careful earlier at the factory. And then she's like, what? Then I'm like, wait, look. April 5th, bitch. Get some sleep, bitch. Yeah, go back to bed, bitch. We know your ass sleeping in there. Oof, yeah. Oh, my gosh.
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What possessed you to say that, Casey? Gosh.
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If it took me a couple seconds to figure this out, imagine what we would do in a couple months. Seriously. And we need help right now. Seriously. America needs help right now. We need shit like this. I reps my capes. I eat my crepes. Wait, what did you? I rest my capes. I rebs my capes.
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That's a funny thing to say after.
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It's kind of a new little thing I've been getting.
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Oh, my gosh.
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That could be Shark Tank, too. Yeah, yeah. I have some things. Maybe you've heard of certain sayings before. Well, I'm kind of putting a twist on them. I'm looking for $10,000 for 100% steak and all these new words I've made.
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Uh... Yeah, I can't... Damn. I can't even think. Damn. We're going to need your ass up there. You got to commandeer that one, Casey. I can be behind you. I can be, or whatever. Maybe you don't even want me up there, but I could not do that one. You're really going to have to. Maybe I can learn, though. Trust me, man.
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And Gator could come.
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Oh, my gosh, yeah, a little baby anaconda. We could act like she's a little snake in there, but she's actually just a little dog. You can give her little frozen rats.
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But then she wouldn't eat them. She would need a little dog food, not a rat, because she couldn't even eat one.
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And she's sweet-looking. She has. Well, we got to get her a haircut.
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What are you looking at?
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I know she's getting in kind of a staring mood. I think she might be barred out. Gator. We gave her a bunch of chocolate earlier.
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She's asleep.
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It's like catnip for dogs. Chocolate. She likes it. Makes them a little loopy because they're getting really sick. Yikes, Grant. Come on, man. Dude. You know we're going to Thailand in a couple weeks. We don't want to be seeing this kind of crap, dude. I know. We're going to the Serengeti and we're going to Bangkok. Yes, and it's going to be fun. Taking a cruise. We're doing karaoke classes.
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Karaoke classes. They're letting us teach some stuff on the boat. It'll be fun. Yeah, the whole boat ride. We're taking a boat from Miami to Bangkok. Yes, have to travel down South America. Down the coast. They call it the Gold Coast, Grant. Yep. Oh, we're going to be out for 50 days. That's why we're banking these episodes right now. We're going to be gone for 50 days.
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So it's quite a while.
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It's a couple of months, but sometimes you need to, you need, you got to discover yourself. So you got to figure things out. Sometimes I need some air. I don't know about you guys, but ever since COVID, I feel like I need some air. Yeah, oh my gosh, wearing those masks. It's like, oh my gosh, I couldn't even breathe. But now sometimes somebody's sick behind me on an airplane or something.
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I'm thinking, where's your fucking mask, you piece of shit? I don't want, you're coughing on, it's like now you wear a mask, motherfucker. What's going on? Or else. Yeah, or else I'm turning around and you're not going to like what you see. Back when I was a kid, doctors only prescribed one form of medicine, the left or the right. Damn. And then you hit them with a combo or. Yeah.
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And then a boosk.
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That would be a good little thing you could put on your car. Yeah. In this truck, I... What was it? What did you say? In this truck, I write run prescription. And then a guy holding a gun? It's a guy holding a gun. And then it says free refills unlimited. Damn! So he's got ammo. You do not want to get into a road rage incident with that guy.
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Damn. One of the worst nights ever. GP Creepy's back. Well, I'm so happy you made it through. Oh, my gosh. You hear those stories about people dying in their dreams.
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I'll pop your tires and pop your brain out of your freaking dome, bitch.
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Grant, would you be cool in a situation like that? No. Wait, how would you? What do you mean? I'd be scared. It's intimidating. But you'd be able to keep on driving, right? If we needed you to keep on driving, you'd be able to keep on driving, right?
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Yeah, I think so.
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All right, good. Yeah, we need somebody who's driving. We need a driver. Yes, we need somebody literally who's driving. I can drive. You better, dude. I'll kick your ass out in Albuquerque so fast your head'll dang spin.
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Okay, well, then I'm really going to drop.
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Yeah, then we're taking your Corvette. We're leaving you in the deserts of New Mexico and taking the Corvette. It's like a Gabby Petito part two on your ass.
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Yeah, and they're going to do it. It's looking promising. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Please don't Petito me.
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You don't got a say in the matter. I'll drive well. Yeah, nobody's... Yeah, I mean, it's going to blow... Y'all's record ATX is going to go through the roof. Your stock is going to... Everything's going to go up. They're going to be like, wait, isn't this where he worked? And everybody's going to come by and look at your office and be like, holy shit, this is where Grant was.
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This is where he used to work. I suppose that's a silver lining.
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Your handprints are in the concrete outside when y'all broke ground on this place.
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Aw. Mike better be cool and let that happen.
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In their sleep. Yeah.
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Frightened to death. Yeah.
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Is this still the Shark Tank thing? Yeah.
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We are so far from that now, Grant. We are in a different league. Yeah, yeah. We're talking about he needs to be cool with you putting your hands in the cement when they redo the cement out there.
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Damn.
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Oh, okay.
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And you'd be able to write your name with like a little stick that says Grant or whatever or Gigi or whatever you want to put on there.
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Well, not last night. You're too strong for that. It's not going to happen right now. You're about to go to Australia. I'm a fighter. Yeah, you're a fighter. You're not going to let some dream. You're not going to let these people sending you these weird dreams mess with you. You're not going to let it mess with you. Every 23 years for 23 days, he feeds.
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What?
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Notice I said Hall of Fame. Yes, the Hall of Fame. It's actually in Burbank. Yes, it's in a museum in Burbank. It's a bunch of names on a wall. We're going to be willing to pay $50,000 for that. If you drive us. If you drive us, we will do that.
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My license is suspended, Gigi.
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I mean, I'll do it. I appreciate it.
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God, I still got to call the freaking police department and see about my ticket. that I don't know. I got the new license plate and I got to figure that shit out. I don't even know what the fuck to do anymore. It's like there's a cop behind me last night when I was driving up to the gas station and I freaking almost froze up.
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I almost just pulled over and let him pass, but I was like, ah, that's probably way more sketchy. Sure. Or just pull out, you know, pop trunk on his ass and just start.
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And rest in peace, Val Kilmer.
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He's dead.
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Yeah, after Batman.
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Yeah, you got to be real nice when you can't talk. Because you can't really defend yourself as good when you can't talk. Yeah. No, it was divine.
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You've never seen Tombstone? No, I like some Western movies, though.
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And you got to be careful with dentists because I think they still have the highest instances of suicides amongst professionals. You got to be nice to your dentist or else he might not show up for your next appointment. Yeah, you might have to look for another dentist and nobody likes doing that. No. He goes, I'm your Huckleberry.
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He goes, why, James, if you weren't my best friend, I don't know how I could manage. And then he dies? That's just one of the lines he says? He says all kinds of stuff. Yeah.
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Remember, Grant? Yeah. You seen it. Yeah, I got to see it. It's so good.
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And I'm starting to think the clock's ticking. God, my car almost fed on a person on the interstate yesterday. I'm driving going fast and then people in front of me start slamming on the brakes. And then I hit the brakes hard and I like turn to try to get in another lane or something. And it is some man just walking across the highway. And I'm thinking I would have hit his fucking ass.
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Yeah.
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And he goes, Kate, you're not wearing a bustle.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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She's a freak. Damn. She's not in the rest of the movie. We don't know what happens to her, but she's so hot. Gigi. And that's it. So she wasn't wearing one of those things. Mm-hmm. She's just getting up on that horse.
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Ride a pony. Wait, what was the song? Is there something, a song where they're saying ride the pony or something?
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I don't know. By Genuine? Yeah, Genuine maybe.
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Can you sing that, Grant?
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I can play it for you.
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Are we going to get a copyright strike? Yeah.
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It's like the most exciting thing that ever happens. You get the freaking... We get the surgery of your finger and it's like you got to blur it out or something. It's like... I know. It was a gut punch.
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I'm sorry.
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That was so unmotivating. Yeah. It's like we're about to go viral off of Grant. Like a piece of wood in his hand. And then it's like the night before the episode's release. It's like, oh, sorry, guys. We got to...
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Gotta edit it out.
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Is that right?
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What? This is a pretty big blur, wasn't it? I guess. Yeah, it was massive.
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Life's a big blur.
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Yeah, I know, I know. Wow.
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It's fine. I know, it's flying these days.
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Do you think we'll get pinned by the Genuine Pony if I played it? By the Genuine people?
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I don't know. I don't know if they're going to be looking out for it.
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No, we're not kidding. Oh, my God. I muted it.
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I muted it. What do you mean you muted it? Yeah, we heard for them.
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Yeah, well, no, for you guys.
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Well, then what was I just hearing?
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Yeah, I heard something for a second.
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Whoa. I'm wondering how long it takes before the music actually starts playing.
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Was that like a Home for the Holidays Hallmark ad? I heard a class break. Yeah, what was that on?
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Oh, there we go. I think I can play just a few seconds and I got to get rid of it.
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So that's what I was picturing when that lady gets up there without the bustle on. And then that song just starts playing. That would be cool. That's hot.
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Yeah.
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Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Well, I wish I lived in old times when my teeth were rotten and my body was dying. I know no indoor bathrooms or anything.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Everybody, pooping where their dog poops.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Well, Casey, be very... We're going out on that note.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Put a bow on it. Casey, I was just going to say, though, you have to be so careful in Australia, okay? Have a wonderful time.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Gosh. Well... Be careful. Thanks. I saw a video the other day of somebody, like, turning on a light in a bedroom, and one of those things is up in the corner, and it makes me want to die inside. It's so horrible looking. I know. And be careful if you get in the ocean, too. There's shark attacks. Well, I guess I won't be having any fun on the ocean.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, you would have blew him up. If he got in front of me, I would have fucking maybe swerved at him a little bit. Shit. Yeah, you catch me in the wrong mood. I mean, I was about to swerve at his ass. Clip his heels just a little bit. Gimp him. Yeah, yeah. He flings up in the air. Mary Gimp must freak. Have fun in a wheelchair.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
And follow me on Instagram. I post stuff on there, kind of. All right. Thank you. And we got to thank... We do have to thank... Our mercenaries. We have to. Grant's Worst Nightmare. Hurley at WMS.lol. I love Big Macs. I poisoned his Big Mac. Jenny J. Jess. Joe Kive. John Shaw. Justin Threckle. The Doctor's Son. Captain Chaos. Casey's Mom. Kyle Heath. Larry. Lawyer Joe. Lil Miss Becky. Nice Wizard.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Nissan Pappy. Robert Bushell. Uh-oh. Ruby Jewel Sparkles?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Shinny Shinny Kaia from the Big Eyes?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
sat rack and sergio shiva stephen fournier the kill tony facebook group the gaming crooner the wizard phanderweed vicious mcfisty white magic william and casey the cats william gear and william ramsey worm drive show on youtube choose your own adventure uh-oh zombie warlock
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anthony whiplash margens and ashley belfield beef we hope you're being careful ben hashen bobby beltman brendan riley bryce guard daniel hunter danja fox destiny a4 dingleberry harry do all uncles kiss on the lips no dova king dr p dugan eli slugworth gator's godmother goldie may star grants worst nightmare
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Thank you.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Thank you.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Bye. Bye.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Bye. Thanks for joining us for this week's episode of The William Montgomery Show. Send your questions, artwork, and manifestos to thewilliammontgomeryshow at gmail.com. Leave William a voicemail at 737-471-1098. And never miss an episode of The William Montgomery Show by subscribing to The William Montgomery Show channel on YouTube and anywhere podcasts are sold.
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Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Check out William online at william.f.montgomery1 on Instagram. For more William Montgomery, check out Kill Tony on YouTube. And check him out live at the Comedy Mothership in Austin, Texas every Monday night. Find more of me, Casey Rocket, at patreon.com slash caseyrocket. Follow me on Instagram at caseyrocket.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
This episode of The William Montgomery Show was recorded at Record ATX Studios right here in the heart of Austin, Texas. The William Montgomery Show is produced by William Montgomery. The anthem is sung by William Montgomery. The drums are sung by William Montgomery. The words are sung by William Montgomery. Thanks for joining us. See you next time. Who the fuck said that?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I'm trying to have fun tonight.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my gosh, Grant. Yeah, that's probably exactly how I looked right as I was about to hit the guy. And I don't know if this is the same guy.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I swear I was driving. I don't know. This was about a month ago. And some dude's just out in the kind of middle of the road, a very busy road. And he's shooting everybody with a fake gun. And then he gets to me. He shoots my ass point blank, and I kind of go up like this. What do you mean? You're driving? And then he kind of smiles. You're driving?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Well, it scares me, Casey, because my throat, when I woke up today, it felt like I had strep throat again, but I haven't had strep throat since I got my tonsils taken out. Freaking, I don't, this is, what, 25 years ago now? I mean, this is a long time ago, so I don't know either. Are we both, I don't know, are we both sick?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
You played into it? Fake guns that he's shooting all the cars with, which seemed messed up. He was shooting everybody. Well, that's not fair, right? Because some of those people probably don't deserve that. Yeah, I mean, he didn't know everybody's story. He shouldn't just be able to have that blank check. And speaking of blank check, we watched a thing last night about the actor of blank check.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Recorded live in Austin, Texas, USA. It's the William Montgomery Show. Starring William Montgomery and the devious Casey Rockett. With the Tony Chin Orchestra. The William Montgomery Jr. Dancers. As always, William is joined by the lovely Erica. I'm Casey Rockett. And now here he is, the big red machine, the Memphis Strangler, William Montgomery.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
He is not doing good. He is not doing good. What was the show called? Judge Million? Judge Millian, it was after Judge Millian. It was like Hollywood monsters. Oh, no. And what? He was a bad person? Yeah, his mom, he had blank check. Everything was going really good after blank check, and then his mom ups and moves his ass to somewhere in the middle of nowhere, Colorado. Oh, no. Like Max Keebler.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Exactly like a real-life Max Keebler situation. It's like everything's going so good, and then the mom... intentionally sabotages everything. It was really sad. And then it showed the guy from the Hughleys and he has a bunch of face tattoos. He looked insane. Holy shit. That guy looked insane. It would be worth watching it, I swear to God, just for this fucking dude. What is the Hughleys?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Hughley, the comedian. Do you mean Hughbly?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Is it Hughley?
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Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
How do you say it? I don't know. It's not up to me. Grant, how do you say it? Do you know? The Hughley. Oh, it's Hughley.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, the Hughley.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, DL showed up as a character witness because he was up in the club and somebody yelled out some blood thing you yell out when you're a blood and you're going against like Crip or whatever. And the people started stabbing and one dude died and they're trying to catch it. He's about to catch the murder charge and DL comes in. Oh, he was a rolling 66th Street Crip.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, look at that. Whoa, I thought you were kidding.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
No, it's horrible. So I was trying to riff with you as a friend, as a friend would do. Well, thank you. When you're caught in a situation like that. But he really looks, he does have Calvary, the crosses at Calvary under his right eye. I think that's kind of cool that he's got what the classic kind of little looks like blood marks coming down his eyeballs.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
So he just like got involved with the wrong crowd.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, he seemed like he had his head on his shoulders pretty good.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
He messed up. Did he do time? Yes, he did a little bit of time. And now he's back on the streets.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Something's going down. Grant's been putting little sick pills in our little soup.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, he was so cute.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
And he still is cute in his own way. I know, he is. Look at him. He's pretty cute. And he must be a big Washington, that W in the middle of his forehead. I think that's a Washington sports team. Yeah, maybe he's a big Nationals fan. He loves baseball. It's weird to get a baseball face tattoo. Weird for the baseball face. Also, he must have been born in 1988, maybe.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
He's got his birth date on his chin. You would hope. I want to get one on my cheek. It just says Hangtown. Damn. That kind of shows my love for beach life. I know. That would fit in. It'd be perfect when you're in Waikiki Beach or some sort of beach. Everybody's going to be like, dude, this guy's a fucking surfer. He has to be a surfer. They would say, who's this Howley?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
And I would say, Howley, you sure about that?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
This is not true. I don't want you to start getting paranoid.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Ohana.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah. Read my lips and kiss them good. Woo. Yeah, just hitting those waves. Gosh, you got to be careful out there, though.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Okay, I'm going to give Gator her present from Disney World. Oh, my gosh. Gator, are you ready for this? Here goes nothing, Gatus. Gator, this little... Yes.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my God. Gator already knows it's for her.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Uh-oh.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, she already does her little present.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Gator, ready?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, Gator, you're going to have to give Casey some kisses.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Is he backwards?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, you're trying to make us think that we're, you want us to think that we're sick, but you're actually the one like messing, you're the one poisoning us. Yeah, so you can swoop in and say, oh, I brought you guys a cold rag. Yeah, and the Z-bars, it always seems like the Z-bars are a little messed up. He's putting pills in the middle like a piece of ham for a dog.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
It's like a toy.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
It's just a little print of yours. Yeah, you want to smell him?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Just give it a good smell, Gator. You'll get used to it.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, give him a good smell.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Gosh, she was eating her bull penis earlier, and it makes her freaking mouth stink like shit. Normally, I love to kiss her in the mouth. Normally, I swear to God, I keep my mouth shut a lot. We've seen it. Only every now and again will I use the tongue anymore. Normally, it's just my mouth firmly shut and my nostrils firmly closed, but...
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
But I can't even allow her face near mine after she's eaten this freaking cow penis.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, it's the worst. Brutal.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Come on, man. You know I had to do it to him. Goofy doesn't begin to cover it. Oh.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my gosh.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Thank you so much. At least I can do. Goof Troop. Oh, my gosh. And I can get Pauly Shore to sign on his character down here. Pauly Shore is down here. We know Max Goof. Yeah, we know that. He was on the podcast one time, but then we couldn't release it. Yeah. We had a good podcast with Paulie one time, and then it wasn't.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
What?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my gosh. What is it? Shoelaces?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
It's little shoes. Oh. And this is for Grant because you're a sneaker freak. Thank you. So, thank you very well.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, I mean, I think he was so worried about his bathroom when they messed up the hallway or whatever because it was next to his shoe room. And he was worried that maybe it was going to get wet in his shoe room. I remember. He thought that something with the moisture was going to ruin the integrity of the soles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, is everything okay with that still?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
So, Erica, that actually was very sweet. Thank you so much for bringing the protein bars the other day. You must have just had a feeling that he was messing with the Z-bars.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, it's fine. I'm just not supposed to wear my sneakers up and down the hallway, which I'm like, what's the point?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, what's the point even if you can't wear them around the house? Yeah, I mean, what's the point of even owning your freaking house if you're not allowed to wear shoes in it? It's like, what? Like, what kind of situation did you set up? Yeah.
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Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
It has to be. And I wonder, I think some of them have, like, little pieces of Goofy, like, clothing he's worn. Just like the basketball cards. Oh, yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Is it hair?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gosh. Maybe, yeah. Maybe you got one of the hair ones, Grant, with Goofy's hair. That would be sick, Grant.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
And if you can guess his cologne, you get free passes. It's sauvage.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I can hear it.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Okay, yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I hear him opening it. I know. I was thinking, what is that sweet little noise in there?
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Can you guys open it?
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Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Mm-hmm.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my gosh.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Grant, zoom in on this shit, brother. You're going to want to take a peek.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Common denominator.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
All right.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
It's Mr. Duck's little nephews, just like your daughters.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Whatever their name was. It's Lois Peter Griffin in Cleveland. Who was that? Was their father or grandfather the dude who was so rich he would swim around in the swimming pool of gold coins? Scrooge McDuck. Was he related to these guys? I'm having to call this in.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
You guys should have a Z-bar.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I don't feel like falling asleep on the podcast, Grant.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Yeah, right, exactly. I mean, you end up sacrificing personal relationships, relationships with your family, relationships with people you met along the way. You just really, you do have to be careful. You have to be super careful. You can't let that take over.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
I'm sad that Gator thought that this was like an opponent and not a friend.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my gosh.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Oh, my God.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Just have one.
The William Montgomery Show
Val Kilmer Lives | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 176
Gator, you want to try one on? Put a new pair of shoes, put my pink. You want to wear it into the pair of shoes on one of your feet? Gator, which foot you want?
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Oh, good question.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
You do a similar one.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Das ist schwer, das ist schwer. Was hat der zweite Szenarist gesagt?
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
What's like some slang there?
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Nein, wir würden gerne einen haben.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
It's an optical illusion with the skyline.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Pfeffer?
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Yes.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Du musst es ein paar Wochen mehr geben, denke ich.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Und er hat ein paar Spots verpasst.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Ich habe ziemlich hart gespielt, äh, für, was würdest du sagen, Erika, wie viele Monate, vielleicht ein paar Monate?
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Oh mein Gott.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Könntest du was tragen, was du willst, zu Hause?
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Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Geliebt. Oh ja.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Das ist ein schöner Trainer.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Das ist ein schöner Flatiron.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Like a skin-colored bump.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
That's his family tree.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
I think it's Montgomery.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Ja, sie sind echt.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Sie sind zu weiß, zu square, zu flach.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Those are white.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Yeah, not straight on the bottom.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Hell yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Imagine having just that one tooth in the front. You could never eat an apple.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
I don't know.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
People have their favorite countries where they get their work done.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Ich könnte. Du siehst jünger aus. Siehst du mich jünger aus? Du siehst jünger aus.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Du siehst zehn Jahre jünger aus.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Oh, that's crazy. Oh, that is weird.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Let's see.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
And a mother of six. Really? Destiny?
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
That's a good one.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
You've not seen Love Actually? He's never seen it.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
You love Hugh Grant.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
Hilarious.
The William Montgomery Show
Kyle Legacy | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 174
It could be. It's his awards. It is.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Kind of similar to yours.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Grant, would you claim that if you had that kind of hair? Just if you only had that kind of hair and you don't, so it doesn't even really matter.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
They smoked a lot in the parking lot right now.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Well, let me go with you. Maybe I can go with you sometime and put in a good word. They probably wouldn't even... Listen to me.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
No, but you said you're good, right?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So you're talking about like you're running down the court and somebody's behind you and you can like be dribbling it and like do it under your legs and do it back to them?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Like John Stockton.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Somebody's thinking you're going up to the dish.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Stop. No, you don't. Is that why you were saying something about you don't know... Yeah, you don't know how the... Yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That means somebody's open for the three. Pass it out. So you just hope your teammate's good at making those three. Right.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So maybe they're almost worried to choose you because they know you're going to be dishing it out. And actually, the pressure is going to be on them to be training these open shots.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Well, we'll go there. I swear we'll go there. We dropped somebody off at some sort of pickup basketball game one day after this podcast. It was the English guy. Oh, yeah. I'll go in there with your ass. I can get a Shaq jersey or something. Maybe that would give me some credibility a little.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, we can find a place that could probably print up. We got to get jerseys. Yeah, Kyle Legacy, this guy is a hell. Of a basketball player. Really? Hell of a basketball player.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
There was a time, CJ, I don't know if you're going to believe me on this one, but there was a time, I think it was probably a 10th grader, I hit, I could call my buddy Zane right now, he could tell us, or my buddy Alvin. I hit 15 three-pointers in a row at gym class one day.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I was on fire. Wow. And everybody thought it was the funniest thing. They just kept laughing? Draining them. I loved it, but I never could play. Well, I promise. Maybe 15, maybe it was 12. It was double digits. Okay, so the numbers are not... Okay. The amount isn't really... Yeah, the amount's already going down a little. Just because I don't want to lie, because... We could figure, I don't know.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I don't know. I don't. Anyway, it's a good profile. And for those that don't remember, if they don't remember CJ, my sweetest CJ Landry, he is back on today. It has been a while since you were last on. The last time we were on, it was in the old building.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I could figure it out, but it maybe doesn't.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
What do you mean? It sounded like when you were talking about it, maybe nothing ended up happening by the end of the story.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
She could have fallen so hard for you. She was like, I got to get out of the school.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, that was probably heartbreaking, y'all, being out there. It's sweet she gave you the time of day and said goodbye, but I mean, I could only imagine.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Did you cry?
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Invite her. Reach out to her ass, dude. Invite her up to the comedy mothership, dude.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
The even Stevens girl lives out here, and they did Cadet Kelly together. So if you run into her, who Grant kind of knows. You better be nice to Grant.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Grant knows her because she records here.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So we're ex-Grant. We can get close.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You're closer than you think.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You're two people away from Hilary Duff right now. Grant, girl for me and Stevens.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I can't think of her name.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And then her, dude, you're two people away from Hilary Duff right now. Would you have ever thought that? And I can't believe we didn't discover this on one of the first two times you were on the show. Yeah, I mean, this is.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And I just all I can think about is the woman putting the vibrator in her vagina.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Have you really? I still think about it now and again.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You could still reach out, baby. No, don't. No. Don't break up a marriage. Don't break up a marriage.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That's so funny, dude. Yeah, man. Has that happened in the past three years?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Well, what if you what if you could still meet her? You had the knowledge. What if, though, you had the knowledge that if she met you, you'd be like just the love of her life. Like, but it is going to mess up the family. But you would have to like, would you go for it? If you knew, like, y'all were going to live happily ever after. But the collateral damage damages her family.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Because I've heard he's weird. It's weird we're even talking about her right now because I've heard really bad shit about her husband, like weird stuff.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, like it loves exotic pets and like one of their rooms is filled with a stinky room.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, so one of the rooms is stinky. It smells like shit.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
How have things been going? Because three years is a good amount of time.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So you could say that when you're talking to her again, you know that you're going to fall in love.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I love pets, but I like a pet that can like come up to me and say hello in their own little way. But a freaking snake. Right.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
These guys are freakazoid. Get rid of the snakes. Get rid of the bearded dragons.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I always wanted a freaking turtle growing up because we would see them at the freaking flea markets, but we were never allowed because my mom said you can get some sort of disease. Salmonella. Salmonella. You could get salmonella poisoning from the freaking, and it'd be like this beautiful scene of all these tiny little beautiful turtles.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And I was like, sorry, I'm kind of taking, now I'm taking your thing. No, you're good, you're good. But I was never allowed. It was very sad.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So the pet store's selling flies? No, it was like loose flies. Oh, loose flies.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
We don't direct.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
deal and it kind of is they grow it is yeah and you need a container and you need the container you need the environment for them you gotta get a ph balance right so you put in the water you gotta you gotta how you know about that you're you're you're a little you're aquarium guy he's on the reddit in my fantasy world you are dude i'm on this axolotl when you know those things that have the gills i got a shrimp tank
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
There it is. And this is crazy. CJ, this is episode 18, my friend. And what are we on right now, Grant? 178. So do the math on that one.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So you have some in your house right now?
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Oh, my gosh.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Oh, I love that. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. That looks nice.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Wait, do you have to change out the water and stuff for that one?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I love a little thing like that. I love or a little axolotl. And I saw on the freaking something horrible yesterday. Somebody's cat had gotten their axolotl and it shows this picture and it's like NSFW or whatever, like blurred out. And I click on it and the cat had cut open its freaking middle and all its guts are hanging out. And it's like, what do we do with this?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, no, that's what I'm supposed to do with my axolotl. And everybody's like, ah, you're going to have to kill it.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
They have a little smile on their face. Yeah, they are always smiling.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, I think they are only found in one little pond in Mexico somewhere. God, we're still on the same algorithm? That's crazy.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, they're in the fish tanks.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
There's no place. Yeah, one day maybe we would have the space for some sort of tank of some sort. But right now, I don't even know where we put it.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So what, and you can watch them, and then you can see the little babies come out?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Have you thought about putting, like, some seahorses in there? You think seahorses and shrimp would be friends?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I know you guys actually don't even talk in real life.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And you would think the dome place. I remember we went in there. That place is wild. I remember walking up to steps thinking, is this about to collapse under my feet?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You just would never want to be on the bottom floor if the top ever collapses. That's going to be a mass casualty event. if it happens to be a bunch of people down in that bottom part.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I mean, what if the electricity goes out one day? Right, that's what I'm thinking.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Like, I just don't get the- Yeah, where are you buying the fish from?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Hermit crabs would be probably easier than freaking fish.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, hamsters. Because look at that. You don't want to be dealing with all that.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Well, I would like to go... I still haven't been, but I want to go to Blazortag. Yeah, dude. I do want to give Blazortag another shot, and I think in my fantasy world, I think it'd be cool because I always remember growing up, I'd be real... feel real calm when it was like the dark rooms and like the smoke, the fog machines going off and the bright light.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I made it to the future in this battle. and I'm here, and I feel good.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Oh, yeah, and then you have some kid get right out in front of you around a corner. You just knock him to the ground. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like a football play. It's like I feel so freaking powerful, and the clank of the plastic.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I think he's good.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And he's walking around with some flashlight or something. It's like, dude, you don't even have a gun in here.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, dude, I'm not doing this. Grant, you're from Austin. Grant, have you ever been to Blazortag?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, with the aliens. I looked at the aliens today when we drove here.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You've been to blazer tag, blazer tag. That's what's so interesting. That's what Rogan was. They were talking about Rogan buying blazer tag and put it in the comedy club there, but it's something fell through at the end or something.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I remember hearing, oh, my gosh, she's going to buy Blazer Tag. The comedy mothership is going to be a Blazer Tag because it's like a big place.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Then they picked a spot on 6th Street, which is cool. It's probably around more people. There's not like a ton around. It's just a big parking lot.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, and weird people in their cars out there.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Watching your YouTube, watching your video, your phone.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That's fun. Play a little bingo. We got a bingo hole in one of ours.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Westgate? Westgate. Love it. Yeah, that's a good one. And have you, by the way, have you been to the the food truck thing outside of it? Oh, yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
The snow cones. Oh, yeah. Oh, the snow.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Oh, I haven't done the snow cones. Good. They have some really good snow cones where you can put a little like ice cream and stuff. Look at that. That's my fucking lab.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And then you do it, spin it kind of.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That's how I've been doing it. Good for you. Oh yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Well, my thumb used to get caught in the bowling ball when I'd be trying to throw it. My thumb would get caught in it and then it wouldn't leave my... I feel like that happened a couple of times and it scared me.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That's how my response was, but in a nice way, but I was surprised.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Were you searching for days? Or were you able to find, you're just looking like one day, like bowling shoes, and they happen to be perfect, or were you looking for days?
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And then they popped up?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So at the same place, you got a ball, a bag, and shoes.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
People couldn't buy... Yeah, they wouldn't buy anymore.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
But it's not still around.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You only had to buy one pair of shoes for your entire life for bowling shoes.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Well, y'all, here, for anybody listening or watching or whatever, and you want to get on Shark Tank, which I think is really cool, make sure your product isn't too good. You got to remember stuff like that.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Because it's going to go out of business.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I had this, what, two or three years, maybe?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Well, my battery is finally it's OK, but my battery is messing up.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Which iPhone you got?
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I don't even remember what I have.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Oh, yeah. What number are they on right now? They're on like 16. Oh, are they? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's finally.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I'm just like, what does that even mean? They got to do it. They got to do it for the shareholders. If you have the Apple stock, you want them. They have to be coming up with new products.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Wait, so hold on. So you brought KFC to which episode? 18 or 30?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Do you think we could create the light bulbs that last forever, but the kind of light bulbs that you can press on your phone and it turns to a purple light or a blue light or a red light?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And then today, for those who don't know, you got McDonald's.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That like- Are you talking about lights?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, I mean, people were talking about the lights or whatever, and they were saying that it's not, that it couldn't, that it's not going to last forever. They're not going to be able to make the ones with all the different colors that last forever. Okay.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Color maybe could last forever. But yeah, if you're talking about these things and these are actually kind of cool, you can actually get your bedroom to look like a laser quest arena. Whoa.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
But if you install them in your lamps or whatever light source you have in your bedroom, get some of these, put it on purple, turn the other lights off, and it's like you're in a fucking laser... Just get a smoke machine.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Get a smoke machine and a vest, and you're like...
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I'm here again. Yeah, and you got to wear clothes because it's fun to look at your T-shirts because some of your T-shirts will be a little surprised.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Well, I'm impressed that you're looking at the arrows and you're somehow able to throw the ball to hit the arrows correctly. I can't even imagine that.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So there is a two-hander raptor claw that is somebody's doing that in the pros.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Locked in.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
The best?
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
The best. One of the best. You can tell he's Australian. Look at that haircut. Isn't that like an Australian haircut kind of?
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Kind of.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Is it grand? Is it kind of? Yeah, it's a little longer in the back. He's like, I'll go throw it down the lane, I reckon.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
No, that's English. Oh.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I think one that can really make me laugh really hard is a good Indian one.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
If it's like a really good Indian accent. Not a lot of Indian bowlers. I've never seen it. One. There's too many people in India. That's the.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It makes it. I don't know.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Too many people.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You might have a hard time.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Big bowlers, but they're actually small. They're kind of diminutive people, the ones that bowl.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yes. Which I love. I think that's sweet, kind of. Just these small bodies throwing a big ball. Oh, yeah. Down the lane.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Would you ever move to Japan?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
and the Donkey Kong land at the Universal out there.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Oh, my God.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
They love the Minions.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, they got a Minion place at Universal. Are you a Minions fan? Yeah, I mean, I've watched... You know who I'm talking about, right?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
We were watching videos.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
No, the Japanese people make their food cute. Oh.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah. We were watching videos for four hours yesterday of people walking around and not saying anything. We found this very funny channel where they're not saying anything, but they're typing stuff up like, ooh, this cheeseburger is very good.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And she does it?
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
10,000 calories.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Is that like the yellow part of eggs?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
She just loves eggs, and she just eats them all up. Her little ass is going to get sick someday.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Do you see her chewing and eating? Yeah, she does it like spit.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Do you think she's swallowing everything or spitting up?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I bet you could. Would you watch her eat a meal in real life?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Now there's a translate app on your phone.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, they have an app now where you can say something and then y'all can talk via the phone. That would be fun.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Would you do it?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Gosh, I want a teriyaki burger right now, but I can't get one.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Her stomach inside of her body must be fucking huge.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
50 burgers? Is that like competitive eating kind of?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I mean, yeah, but what's even almost impressive. Wait, if she's editing this though, how do you know she's not throwing a couple of them away? She takes like one bite and then she throws the rest of it away after she edits it.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I'm like, that is very sad.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Maybe she's saving it for something.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And that would be an awkward situation. I feel like if you're the pope and you die and for whatever reason you end up going to hell. That would be weird. I wonder, not insinuating that sweet Francis, he's up in heaven.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I can't stand those noises.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It's got 776,000 views.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That made it sound like she was an insect or something. That woman with all the eggs.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Grant, would you be able to, would these microphones be able to do it if we ever wanted to do some ASMR stuff? Would that be able to work with these microphones? Yeah.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Let's see how quick you can eat that. Wait, that's kind of sad. So you didn't eat, so you haven't had the filet of fish yet? No. Is it going to be cold? Is that going to bother you?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
But that's okay.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It'll be good.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
He was sweet. He's gotta be up in heaven.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Well, we might need to try that again, but I swear, CJ, I was so disheartened. We went there one day, and I got one of the milkshakes or whatever.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Concrete.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
A concrete, and it was like fucking soup.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It was milkshake.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Okay, okay.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So it's like I'm never going there again.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
But that's not the food.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Isn't it like a butter burger?
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It matters.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I don't know, because some people put butter in their coffee. What?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, butter coffee.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I remember there was a time I was living in Denver where I did that a little, because I read you people do that for some reason. I don't know.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
No, it's a dead language.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And for the record, I don't like that stuff. And I would be willing to bet that stuff is worse than regular butter.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
RIP Latin. I had to take Latin in the eighth grade and I had to have some sweet woman named Mrs. Reinhart had to tutor my dumb ass. Wow. Yeah. Everybody had to take it in the eighth grade.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I mean, red Skittles. Those are my favorite kind of Skittles.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And I think that red dye is not good. And now everybody our age is getting, or my age is getting colon cancer.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Could be for, well, people don't know yet. So yeah, so if you're eating them, swallow them. Don't chew them. Just for the record, that's like just a little side note.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You could suck on it a little, swallow it.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I like the orange one. You sound like you don't support that at all and you hate it. I like the orange one. Well, I like the orange one better than lemon. Yeah.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Okay, well, duh.
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Yeah, I like it better than, I totally like it better than lime, but that grape one kind of, that one sneaks up on me. It's like almost, it's like I shouldn't like it, but I, because it's that, I don't know. It's like I shouldn't like it, but I like it.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, lemon just has a taste, a lemony taste. You gotta really like lemons to like it.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I like the berry addition.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, berry, the purple package. I like that one.
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CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
All of those are good.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
The smoothie ones are crazy. Those go hard. And the blue one, that's another classic. What is that? Tropical. That purple and tropical, I love that one.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I think berry is superior.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Skittles are deadly.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
We tried the kind that's what- The freeze-dried. Freeze-dried Skittles. Have you ever had- They're crunchy. They're like popped. Yeah, those are weird.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You can freeze-dry anything.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, you can freeze-dry.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
We should get one of those machine- Grant.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Grant. What? Would you think about getting one of those around here?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Giggles.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Think Mike would?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Giggles. Let's freeze dry some stuff.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, you can freeze dry them. And it's actually not as good. What does it end up tasting? It ends up tasting like the marshmallows in Lucky Charms or something. It's like weird. It's like too sugary. They take all the moisture out of it or something.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Maybe that could, maybe. No, come on. Maybe that could be good.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Mustard skittles. You could have given those to Miss Lucia. No.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I wonder what she is. I wonder what she's up to.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Do any of the kids look like you?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Would you have reached out if you were, like, looking her up and looking at all her pictures and one of the kids looked like you? Would you have reached out and be like, hey, what's up?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I haven't talked to you in years, but, like... What's up? Are you going to come clean?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So that'd be interesting.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Oh, she posts videos on her shit.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I walk a lonely road.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Oh, my gosh. Is that what a fillet of fish? Is that how big they are?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I thought they were bigger than that.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Is it cheese? What is it? It also has tartar sauce. Pretty good.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Who was like your sixth grade teacher?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, it might not even matter.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So if you're hungry, yeah, I wonder if it's actually fish from the ocean. I don't even know if it's fish, bro. It's probably not even fish from the ocean. Definitely not fish. Probably from a laboratory somewhere. Well, CJ Landry, thank you so much, my friend.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, oh, my gosh. Well, it was such a pleasure. Thank you so much. It had been way too long. We've got to thank our mercenaries, Ashley Belfield, Asalon.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Avery's or Stew? Bomb. Beef, Benashen, Bobby Belton, Brendan, Riley, Daniel Hunter, Danja Fox.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Destiny, a Ford. I'll explain it to you. Dingle, Barry, Harry, Mercenaries. Do All Uncles Kiss on the Lips? Dovah King, Dr. P. Dugan, Eli, Slugworth, the AI man himself, Gators, Godmother, Goldie Mae Star, Grant's Worst Nightmare, Hurley at WMS.com. LOL. I love Big Macs. I poisoned his Big Mac. Tricks on him. I am the Big Mac. Oh, my gosh. Jenny J. Jess. Joe Kai. John Shaw. Justin Threats.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
The Mercenaries. I'll explain it to you. Captain Chaos. Casey's mom. Kyle Heath. Larry. Lawyer Joe. Loomis Becky. Nigel Nigelson. That's a new one. Nissan Pappy, Patrick Casey, Robert Bushell, Ruby Jewel Sparkle, Shady Shady Kaya, and the Big Island. They're our besties. And Anthony Whiplash-Morganson. Yeah, these are the people that make the podcast. They make it happen.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
They're the ones with the ideas. They told us to book you, honestly.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Wait, who? The mercs. The mercenaries. Now, the bounty hunters, which are down there. That's not true.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
They voted for you.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, they voted for you. We had a poll. They were like...
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
What do you want on next? Yeah, it was like you. We put John Lovitz.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, John Lovitz was maybe. He's like hard to get a hold of.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, we put a couple others.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It was me or John Lovitz.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It was John Lovitz.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
They love you. They missed you.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Watch it.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Alrighty.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Little Miss Becky. Yeah, that's like a playful. That's like a fun. Little Miz Becky.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You, it's your personal preference.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Trina K. All right.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
He can't remember. I don't remember that.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Now he loves them. He loves you guys.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yep. For sure.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
They can have you. You know what to do. You know what to do.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Come down to Austin.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
All righty. Bye.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Personalized?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Or you can look at the screen.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And they're allowed to hit you?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Your parents say, go for it?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, it's a dealer's choice here.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I was like, fuck, dude. Yeah, God, was it a boss?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It's like if somebody whistles way too loud right around a sporting event, it like pisses me off so bad. You know what's so funny though? It's like you're hurting people.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Like you just hurt everybody around you.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It's like they're fucking, yeah. They're just like bragging to everybody. It's like, well, in your bragging, you actually hurt everybody within like a five foot radius around your ass. Like my, I can't even really hear right now, dude.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That's a classic talent.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And for those that don't know, what song is that? Fly Me to the Moon, Frank Sinatra. Yes, Fly Me to the Moon. Did you know that, Grant? Did you know that was the name of that song?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Thank you, man. Yeah, it's very surprising.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
You need to get together with Seldon, my brother Seldon. Have you ever heard Seldon whistle?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
It is something else. I'm not even kidding. I sent the trumpet up there. Like Bill Clinton. Wasn't he real good at the... No, he was real good at the... The actual trumpet, I think.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I see you right here, and you can't even tell what you're really looking at, but right, I'm looking at you right now.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Just some country guy from Arkansas. God, that's so cool. And then married Hillary, and then she's real powerful.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Wait, what did you say? Yeah, you'd have to be really careful who you marry if you're the president?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
And if you are an active president and your wife divorces you, she's half of the president. That's right. Seriously.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That's why you've never heard about a president getting divorced, have you? No.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Correct me if I'm wrong. Have you ever heard of a president that's got a divorced midterm?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Ain't no way.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Left wing. It's like, what are you doing in the left wing, bitch? Just get out of the White House.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I'm going to go ahead and bring us live, guys. This is good. But see, it's like now, look at yourself, though. Right, it's almost if I look at you. Do you think I'm looking at you, or do you think I'm looking at me? So right now, it looks like we're looking at each other. What does it look like for you right now?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, I don't even want your ass in the left wing.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Whoa. Okay, so not during the presidency.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Gosh, she could have been commander-in-chief, half commander-in-chief.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
She could have been a half commander-in-chief.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Probably Woodrow Wilson, just because in the third grade in school, we had to do this. We had to do this presidential thing. So you're telling me you don't really have any memories of like I think ours was called Yipes Stripes Day. And then all the kids got a president and you had to do you had to do a talk on the president. You probably did that at some point.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So the whole thing is- It was your girlfriend's idea?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
But these days, the teachers, the women teachers now love the little boys now.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
They are having sex with all the little boys.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Could you imagine if she took you by the hand one day and was like, hey, I need to talk to you out in the hallway, and she freaking leans over and kisses your ass? Would your heart have just melted?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I think I found her.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
What'd she get locked up for? Did you know this?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Is this the woman?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
She has a thyroid problem.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Yeah, that woman has a freaking thyroid. Is that what happens when somebody has a big old thing on their neck? Is that a thyroid issue?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Or is it a lymph node?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
I don't know. That's a big neck.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
A goiter.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Is that what killed the goofy guy on Saved by the Bell, right? Screech?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Screech. He had a lump on his neck.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
He had a lump on his neck and didn't do anything about it. And then you finally go to the doctor and it's like, dude, you've got like a week to live.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Really?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Go to Hawaii or something.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
Can you see if there's any pictures of the lump?
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
That's smart.
The William Montgomery Show
CJ Landry | The William Montgomery Show with Casey Rocket Ep. 178
So you're feeling like your neck and you feel something, but then you're like, wait a second.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
In this case, the defendant was convicted after trial on counts 1 to 8, each of which alleged perverting the course of justice. She is also to be sentenced on count 9, a further count of perverting the course of justice, to which she entered a guilty plea on 15 February 2022. and for which she'll receive full credit.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
Can you just briefly describe the impact? Well, I've tried ending my life over it. I've had a bond with my son. I've not been able to leave the house. I've not been able to go to work. No, I've got no answer to why. I'd still love to know why, but we'll never know, I guess.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
Yeah, I've always questioned that from the start and I would love to know why this has happened and what's made her do this and why me? Out of everyone, why me?
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
God, but anyway, we made the claims. I got arrested in 2019, 7-7. Out of the blue.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
Totally out of the blue. But prior to that, for a year and a half, local, I've had issues, as in, like, social media going on, and it being I'm a paedophile enabler. I orchestrate it, and there was...
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
but that was just local and a lot of people knew and they were just always dismissed nobody really cared they were like the extreme the the few people that are involved in this they were the few they were the extreme far right and they were just pushing this agenda after you were cleared of doing any wrongdoing from their investigations the mud had stuck by that point yeah
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
Tell us what happened.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
You've got all these that were just pushing the agenda of that, this is it, it's a mass cover-up. That was the whole target then that became. It's a mass cover-up, he's getting away with it, the town's corrupt, the police is corrupt, the council's corrupt...
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
he's got he pays off everything and that was just like i got are we living in pakistan what was that like for your kids it was horrendous for my kids absolutely horrendous and that is at that point uh in 2019 we were struggling as it was because my son my eldest son started self-harming he dropped out of college because people were calling uh and he was he was had one of the ice cream vans and he was constantly getting called and you know people talking about your dad you know he
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
It's the worst possible allegation as well, isn't it?
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
And listen now, two weeks prior to me getting arrested... I walked in. I'm going to the bathroom. It's half one in the morning and his bedroom light's on. And I walked in and you see his son all cut up. It's devastating. It's heartbreaking. And we all tried to keep strong by not sharing what we're going through. And, you know, just to keep that, some sort of normality at home.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
And you're thinking, it'll be fine.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
I've not done anything. It'll be okay. But this was just rumours at the time. Then two weeks later, I'm getting arrested.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
and then a year later this post goes up and you know it's business that was ruined it totally ruined and you just think wow what do we do here and then obviously the police get involved and you've got all all the death threats you know i've got messages like people were saying we're going to rape your wife in front of your kids and then we're going to burn your house
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
The harm of this offending extends to an undermining of public confidence in the criminal justice system. We are aware that sex trafficking of young females does occur. There is a risk that genuine victims will, as a result of this defendant's actions, feel deterred from reporting it. People may be less likely to believe their allegations.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
I'm sure that those charged with investigating such offences will do all in their power to avoid any reluctance to investigate such allegations. Ellen Williams, please stand up. These are the sentences that you will serve. On count one, there will be a sentence of six months imprisonment.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
On counts three to five, the sentence will be three years imprisonment, concurrent on each count, but consecutive to the sentence on count one, giving a total so far of three and a half years. There will be sentences of five years on counts five, six, and seven, concurrent with one another, but consecutive to the sentences already imposed.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
Finally, there will be a sentence of one year and three months imprisonment on count eight and six months imprisonment on count nine. Those sentences to run concurrently with each other and the other sentences imposed. That gives a total sentence of eight and a half years imprisonment.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
You will serve half of the total sentence of imprisonment in custody, after which you will be released on license. The days spent in custody will count towards your sentence.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
I don't believe it. I don't think she has any remorse. I looked back a few times while the judge was speaking and there was just no remorse shown, so I don't think there's any there. Now I know she's locked away for a bit longer, it's just a bit of a relief, but I wish it was longer a sentence.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
I do think I'll be able to move on with my life a little bit, but I'm old, so I'm going to have the thought in my head that it's only two years of my life until she's free again. So as bad as it sounds, I do think I'm going to move out of the area, so I'm not in the same area as when she's released.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
Do you think there's any chance, theoretically, that on that occasion she hurt herself?
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
In order to create more impact?
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
That on that occasion, that one time, she couldn't have done it to herself?
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
I don't believe so, no.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
Very few other people have seen those injuries firsthand.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
Yeah.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
You have.
True Crime with Rachel Shannon
Her EVIL Lies Ruined COUNTLESS Lives: The Horrific Crimes of Eleanor Williams
You were there. Just describe them.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Obviously, you're not at the bar. You're at home.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I wonder if there's something.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Because it's glass and not like metal. Maybe that's why metal isn't used. Maybe PSA don't use metal.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Don't use metal. Well, who has metal dillers? I've never seen one of that. Maybe that's why.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Me all smug. And that. And that's why.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I thought you meant I was at the bar. No. This is a closed bar. You're actually getting water now. Yes. We do serve water here on this couch. Yeah. Thank you. I'm happy to be here with you. I'm happy to be here with you. I love you in black. We have an amazing episode today. We do. We have a guest, but I have some stuff that I want to say and some things to get through.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
So before we get into it, Rae, I know that you are on tour right now. Please let us know where you're going.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Okay, I have just a few cities left in this tour. And the tickets, I think, are mostly gone. But I still should have some available for Salt Lake City on March 6th, Boise March 7th, Toronto the 14th through the 15th. There's one show that I just added. And then we've got Buffalo the 16th, Vancouver the 22nd, and Edmonton the 23rd. And that's the end of my winter wonderland. You did this. Did I?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You went Edmonton on the 23rd. I do this, and then all that lube falls off of my... Anyways, come see the show. It's so fun. Oh, okay. And now, put your ears together for our favorite guest, Liv Hewson.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
We're here with Liv Hewson, as you can frickin' tell. Hi! We're so glad that you're back.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
We love you so much because we get to hang out outside of this, and you had an incredible episode, and it's nice to be twins with somebody so hot and talented and successful as you.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
We're both so obsessed with you. And you know that. And you know, on and off pod. I thought we had had like four or five episodes with you. I was like, for sure. You've been on so many times. Yeah. Everybody's obsessed with you. And then I was like, no, we just went line dancing.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's just that we went line dancing. Yeah, exactly. Do you know that we're almost like right at a year and a week ago exactly that that happened? That's wild. Because it feels like about two months ago, right?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's been a year. We should go back.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Couldn't believe how much my mom got picked up by all these masks. I thought she was going to leave with someone. For sure, she could have. She could have.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It was. You were an incredible line dancer.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You picked it up much faster than everybody else we were with.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Do you remember when we did Copperhead Road that night? Yes.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
We did that at my wedding.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
My mom led it, obviously. I am sure. Yeah.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
She was really tearing it up. And my family talks about you all the time.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
This is the Liv Hewson effect. I feel like you have a one time meeting and then you you stick with people. You stick in the heart and the mind, which is fun, which is so funny.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You're shockingly funny on and off pod. Oh, my God. Yeah. Unbelievable. We're such a fan.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Well. We have to talk Yellow Jackets because season three.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I remember, yes, the first time we had you on, it was during the SAG Strikes.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Well, it's heinous. But now that we're here, can I ask you, what was your favorite scene that you shot in season three? Or one that you're super excited for the fans to see?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I saw this spoiler video where you guys were like bleeping the whole time.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Oh, my God. So you can't share any type of. I don't think so. Yes. Has anything happened that you can't share? That was like something happened on set that was behind the scenes, not scripted. So like, I don't know. Do you guys play pranks on each other or how is set life?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Same and same. I want first things first. We're going on tour. We have our tickets out. This is our spring tour. It's called Two Dykes and a Mike going hog wild. H-O-G-W-I-L-D hog wild dot com. Don't go there.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
years of everybody's life yes so it's just she'll do it and she'll get people they'll turn around but then immediately it's like jasmine but she still gets people with it it's unbelievable it's her classic bit i feel like everybody needs to have one thing that they're always doing that you're like classic fucking jasmine give me old one too you've got a couple classic bits i feel like mine also kind of circulate through you know what i mean like i will i'll have phases where i'm always like
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Is your refrigerator running?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I'll go through phases of credit card swiping my wife's ass. You know what I mean? It's a good one. I'm like, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. Yeah. Like, that was my January.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And we move on. We grow. We change. I love a bit with coworkers.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I want to see that in short season. I want to hear your thigh meat slapping on the back of my hand. I want to see Liv Heason going up to Juliette Lewis. What?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
There's some major... I mean, the cast of the show is like... You know what I mean? They're stacked. Insanely. Big time stacked. 100% stacked from toe to toe. Everyone. I mean, is it insane to be like, I'm going to work now with these like people that we've all seen for like our whole lives?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
That's not our website.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yeah. And the show is really fucking good, which we've, we've all talked about, but it's scary.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Please don't go there. It's probably porn. Don't go there. It's probably porn. I can't vouch for what you'll find. Hey, we're going hog wild. This is a whole new show, brand new show. If you haven't seen us, come see this one. It's going to be so much fun.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I will say I'm, I mean, I don't do well with stuff like that.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
But I'm going to be there for you.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You're so brave. I put on my seatbelt and I go, here we fucking go.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
No, yeah, that's fucking incredible. I'm so glad that you are here and we can, like, talk about it. I also do want to talk about you've mastered a couple things in your style that I would like to somehow be able to do. You've mastered.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Are you talking about Liv Hewson style?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yeah, sorry. Liv Hewson, not Van. Sorry. You as a human being. Yeah. You have mastered a deep V. Oh. A plunging, may I say plunging neck? And you may.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And that is something. How, where, do you, how was that, did you pick that out or was somebody brought to you?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You know. It kind of, Guides the eye, and then you're like, well, I must...
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I wonder if I, when I, God willing, get my Topsy's returned back from whence they came. Topsy turdy. Back to the turns. I joke around with, you know, getting like a giant, you know, Rihanna has like this big piece right here.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Kind of under, obviously, I feel like it needs some, I'm so pale and it holds color so well when I get colored tattoos and I'm thinking huge, but what if it'd be hysterical if I tattooed tits on my flat chest?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And there's a section called Mackenzie's Minglers. If you want to show up and you're like, I want, I'm worried maybe if I go alone that there's not other people that are there alone. We have a section for you. You can like, it's like a community section.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
it's like after all that work i'm finally healed like the scars are here but i like put realistic like do you know sometimes like women will have like uh bikinis like like um like the gender affirming nipple tattoos for cis women yes yeah yes and it's that just for like for the jokes of it all
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
For the he's and the ha's, you know what I mean? All this work. All this work. I'm finally like myself and I just tattoo on fake pair of huge Pammy Anderson titties.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I think about it all the time. I do enjoy that. Okay, I know that you want to talk about leg hair.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Urgently. Because I grew mine out and then got rid of it for my wedding because I had a Mendy where I was having henna on kind of like the limbs and the bits and they shave... like your hands and stuff. So I was like, let me just handle it. It's back. And I'm wondering, because we have very similar type of coloring, how thick and what color are you getting on your leg hair?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
But you can do that. You can. You can go and get those, like, what is it, where women do, like, the roots on their hair.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And you can just go... Okay, but here's a question. Would we go red?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Black, pitch black. Okay.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Right? Show it off. I thought my underarm hair was like never coming in. I was like, I barely have, there's nothing there. It's humiliating because I want this like nice, big kind of like, it's me. I'm at the beach. I picture myself spiking a volleyball. And there it is.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You can finger each other there. No, stop.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's a pit. It's a pit for fingers.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I only picture myself mid. And then you cut wider. I'm not even below the net at the bottom of the net. You know what I mean? But the arm hair, it's lush. You know what I mean? And it never really kind of got the aesthetic that I thought it would be. And then I shaved my underarms because it was, like, chafing. And I was like, where's my fucking real thick, bushy hair? Like, it's so funny.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It never came in. It never, I thought... It would come in the way that I think. You know what I mean? I think right now it looks incredible. Thank you so much. The pit has been something that I'm like... Do you also do pits?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And see how far in you can go by the end of the show.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yeah, we're grateful for what we have, of course. I was showing another comic my underarm hair. I was lonely. It doesn't matter why. It's fine. I was showing off my underarm hair to this comic, and she was like, oh, my God, I love that you have a line through it like an eyebrow slit. And I went, that's just how it grows.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Rachel, I've taken it too far. God, we're starting in Cardiff, UK, April 1st, April 2nd. We're going to be in Brighton, April 4th. We're going to be in London. Heller. We have Madison, April 17th, Minneapolis, April 18th, April 19th. We're in Washington, D.C. And then April 23rd, we're going to be in Los Angeles.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
That's the crease. She was like, oh.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
That's a person who's never seen armpit hair. Okay, thank you. Wait.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I feel like there will be a ton of queer people that start this trend now.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And a septum piercing.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You guys, I don't think we're letting enough personality shine through our underarms. I think we are. I actually think we're good. I'm glad you're growing your arm hair back.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I am. I'm growing out just my arm hair. And you can't see it on pod, but it's there. And I'm proud. And I'm standing in my power. I'm standing.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I'm living as my authentic self. This is my authentic self. I'm standing in my truth. Mackenzie has like three clear arm hairs. She's like, I'm making a political statement wearing sleeves. But it's real. It's happening. It's real.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's happening under here. I did want to ask, have you ever had a production ask you to shave?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
There's nothing worse than being in a trailer dry shaving your pits.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
so pretty stoked about that this show for me does it as a horror fan and a fan of like women and then gayness yeah this show does hit a lot of boxes i feel like you never really know what's going on i know i agree i'm glad that they let it get gayer yeah does it feel cool to be able to be like i'm a queer person getting to be queer versus like a lot of straight people do gay stuff
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And then April 26th, Denver. May 10th, St. Pete. May 11th, Atlanta. May 17th, St. Louis. May 18th, Chicago. And then May 30th through 31st, we're in Seattle. Two days. What up? And then June 7th, Portland. June 12th, Pittsburgh. June 13th, we're in Brooklyn. And then on 6-14, we end our tour in Boston.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I do like when it's like when there's queerness woven in throughout. But also that's not to say that I don't like things that are like specifically gay. You know what I'm saying?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's not one or the other.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I do like all. But it's nice to have that nuance. Yes. And it's nice to have the balance of the two. That's what I'm saying with like the more that you can have a show. have it kind of happen where there's like, oh right, naturally occurring queerness happens just like how it does in life.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
That's what I think about the Kardashians. Statistically, there's got to be one. I think that all the time, specifically with the Kardashians. Because it's a group of people that we all know that is on television.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Liv, we're going to get into Ask a Dyke.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
These were listener questions sent in, some specifically for you, some not. Wow.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Hi there, Dykes. My name is Chris, and I wanted to know what you guys think about two masks falling in love and why you think it's so rare that we see this in public.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yeah. Mask for mask. It is rare, though. I guess. Why do you guys think that this is something that isn't seen in public that often?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I feel like there were, or at least I see it more in the... Late 70s, early 80s. Like when you go back to history right around then, there's so many like dykes on bikes where they were all dating each other, which is so sexy and fun.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I wish we had more of that.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It is hot. I agree. I think it's because a lot of times... Tell us. You remember. We all remember what it was like in the earlier 2000s. Peak Cosmo. Any type of lesbian content was two blonde femmes. They get drunk and they kiss. And guess what? A husband's there watching. And a lot of... What I saw growing up of, like, lesbian content was just femme femme, steamy hot in a pool. Like, wild things.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And for all of those people that were like, hey, what about this city, this city, this city? We have a fall tour and we are going to all those cities that you commented. I promise you. We promise.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know wild things. Like, cruel intentions where it's very, like, male gaze-y. And I think that gets fetishized. Fetishized.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Literally straight women. Yes, 100%.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Heterosexual women. I will say, though, that Denise Richards has since...
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
kissed a woman since fucked a woman thank you very much thank you so much Denise and thank you for doing that Denise but yeah there I think just in media there's less we don't see it as much because it's not like men don't fantasize about that publicly as much or like your audience shrinks immediately
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Wait, but I see I see what you're saying, too, where I'm like, I walk out on stage sometimes in like Brooklyn or Philly or whatever, and I'll see like a whole section of just like mask for mask couples throughout. So it's not like they're not existing. I just think we're not seeing them as much. Maybe they're not on TikTok monetizing their relationship.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I know. And what is that? And maybe that's what it is. Wait, why aren't they? Because they're actually in love. Oh, cute dude.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
This I swear. This I swear. Pause. Did you see? Have you been watching? This is a few weeks ago now, but SNL's 50th anniversary. They keep putting out three hour long contents. Yeah. They had a Backstreet Boys reunion. I didn't know this. Mackenzie. Mackenzie.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Scared. The whole, like, I couldn't even comprehend it. You know what I mean? Of why... Or even, like, I feel like when I... I've been more mask-presenting as a kid and now as an older person and straight people being like, if you wanted to be a boy, what... Why wouldn't your wife just be with a boy? Like a complete ignoring of the the whole idea of it.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's like, well, there's not still can't wrap their head or even around being gay.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Right. So that's so they delete the whole queerness is deleted. And they're like, well, then that doesn't make sense. Right.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yeah. One hundred percent. They won't. And it's not our problem.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
No, please. We have another ask a dyke. OK. Hi, Dykes. I'm Pan. Can I even say that?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Okay. Mini backstory for the Ask a Dyke. I swiped left on somebody on Hinge.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
That's a yes. So they swiped left due to their name being the exact same as mine. Oh, so I left. Oh, maybe it's wrong. Left is maybe no.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Okay. Not all of us, like, so happily coupled.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Okay, I swipe left on someone on Hinge due to their name being the exact same as mine. Okay. Down to the spelling with double L's and all. Gabriella. But when she commented on my profile, I decided to continue the convo because of our overall similar interests.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
After a few messages, she offered me her number and suggested we go out for coffee and drinks. My question is, do I even go on the first date when I know I can't moan their name in bed without laughing? Okay. Hear me out. I actually call this name this the name game and I do it with all my crushes. The general rule is if you can't see yourself saying their name in a sexy way, they're out.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
That's crazy. So they said it all started in college when my straight best friend was trying to hype up this guy. And she was like, I heard his name pronounced and it was Dugan. And I busted out laughing and I roasted her for everything.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It rocked. I liked Kevin. I liked Kevin too. Kevin was who all the dykes liked. Okay, and what is that? If you, because there's something.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
absolutely never being able to say that in bed seriously of course she agreed and said she could never have a crush on him anyway so for years i've now roped in my friends trying this game out um anyways yada yada yada i can't date you because you have my brother's name or we have the same name so it all follows under that umbrella so they're saying personally i don't think that i can date somebody that has my same name can you guys and what do you think about this name game
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Dugan. Do it again, Dugan. Yeah.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's right there. Also, it's not that person's fault. They didn't choose this name.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
There's something. There's something. I would say generally speaking, if you're a young dyke and there's like, you pick NSYNC or you pick Backstreet Boys, I think a lot of them picked NSYNC. And if you did, I don't speak for those people. However, if you're a dyke and you're like, I'm a Backstreet Boys dyke or kid at the time. Yeah. It's the one, it's Kevin.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yes. What are your guys' thoughts about the name game, though? Okay, well, here's the thing. As a narcissist, I could definitely see myself fucking a ray. Okay. Because I think it would be fun to hear it and say it and all of it.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Et cetera, et cetera. You know what I mean? We're feeding peaches to each other. I'm there. Exactly. I'm already there. I'm 100% there. I'm coming back, doing it again. That's fine. However, my mom's name... Would be a little harder for me. Even if I power through, I'm attracted to this person, it's right away. I think immediately you go, me, I'd be like, that is tough.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's tough because you're also crossing generations.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
So if you are dating somebody. That's an interesting piece of it, yeah. Our generation.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And their name is Dorothy. Right. We're going to have a problem.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I need to nickname you. Nicknames are powerful. Dottie.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Dottie is hot. Dottie's hot. Now I'm back on board.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yeah, grow up and get a nickname, you weirdo.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I'm not going to be like, oh, it's me, Deborah. You know what I mean? I do like Deborah.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yeah, I actually like Deborah better than Deborah.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
names which will suckle back like for sure when we're all old britney will be a grandma name right because people's grandmas will be named britney right for sure these things just come in waves and it's all okay yeah interesting but i'm like do you guys care about your part well first off are you guys moaning full names for sure are you actually almost constantly you're saying probably the thing that i say the most other than i can almost not breathe
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Those are the two. You're full naming your wife in bed. Well, I think that she has a very hot name. Yeah. And I think people are not, I guess I say people as if I, I've only been fucking her for so long now that like the person that I fuck really enjoys hearing like stuff about her and I'm fucking there to give it. Right. I'm writing a novel. I'm writing a novel.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
But sometimes I forget what I'm saying. And I know what for sure will work is the name. There we go. Wow. I know that for sure will work. And it's always hot.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I'm the opposite. If I hear my full name in bed. First off, I feel like I'm in trouble.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Of course. Of course. If I hear Mackenzie.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I'm out. Interesting. I'm actually running to the door.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
First in land is immediately like your honor. Like unless you're doing some type of a like DMV role play. Unacceptable. DMV role play. I'm not here to kink shit.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I was born a dyke, and I'll die a dyke. Yeah, amen. And then I'll be risen from the grave. A dyke. For, I think, Lauren Michaels' birthday. It's Lauren, right? L-A-U-R-E-N. What did I say? No, I'm kidding. It's Lauren. Do you say it like Lauren? I call him Lauren. Lauren? Yeah. Lauren. It's his 50th birthday party? Mm-hmm. They had this special of just music and it literally rocked.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
They're calling my number.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yeah, you finally get to the front.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
They're like... They say, sit down.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Wrong name. You missed your test. You can't parallel bark. Yeah, but I feel like... Don't you say your wife's name?
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
No. Shut the fuck up. I don't say any names. What do you say? Like, oh, baby? Yeah, yeah. I'll do, like, that type of name. I could... Erica.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
No, I can't do that. Oh, I'm fully naming, not first and last, obviously, but I love names.
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#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You're a namer? Oh, I can't. If I hear, even if we're in like casual conversation, we don't say each other's full legal names.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
During sex. Hello. That's what it is. Otherwise, I'm saying Rania. I'm saying Angel. I'm saying love of my life. Like, oh, a little tiny baby bubble wrapped in like a tiny little bubble wrap. My little tortellini. Yeah. But if I would never be like... in the kitchen being like, Nazara, your dinner's ready. She'd be like, ugh. It freaks me out. It might hear Mackenzie. You have the inverse.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Inside of each other time. It calls him as I feel him. That's actually what I call being at face gym. And I think I told you about this, but I had to have a conversation outside of sex, which sometimes you do to enhance your sex.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
We're going to talk about this thing because I kind of have a plan or an idea or something that we're going to have to actually pregame plan with a whiteboard before we get into the actual inside each other time.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I pull out a whistle. I take a knee. You know what I mean? I've got X's and O's. I'm like, I'm going to go here. Orange slices. Yes, yes.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Someone's pouring Gatorade on someone. Great job.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I kiss a trophy. You guys have fucked before. You know what I'm talking about. You guys know how it is. We have this type of thing, but I had to have one of those like pregames with her. I was like, I think I would like to hear you call me Ray instead of Rachel. I don't want to see what that's like. But there is a bit of a moment where she call you rat on accident. She was.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
There was a rat moment for sure. There's been rat. Listen, sex is sometimes like you're trying. Yeah. You're not always slam dunking. I'm out. I'm actually mostly trying.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And now I'm embarrassed. Sometimes you embarrass yourself. I'll play up that it hurts so that it then goes to are you okay instead of are you embarrassed. Yeah, and that's what it becomes about. Do you know what I mean?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Get an ice pack. I'm too upset to talk about how embarrassing this might have been. Maybe we should call somebody. Maybe you should bring your phone out. They should make sure I'm all right. Get ice. So everyone has to be nice to me because I'm in pain.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yeah, everyone should worry about me and my physical pain, not the emotional embarrassment.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I love that we've all had funny, stupid sex, and that's what's fun.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
If you're not having fun, stupid sex, like if you're every day 50 shades of graying it... Come on.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And if you're still performing the perfection of what you think is the sexiest thing you can do. I'm going to be good at sex.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
you're missing out because if you haven't let down the walls enough to sometimes you have sex so hard then that you come back and you're like I think we've exercised a demon you don't get to do that if you're like I'm actually you know what I mean yeah I mean I talk about all the time after sex I look like I've been hit by a semi totally like I it's not right like it's not like wow
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It was like the Grammys.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Oh, I'll have to watch it.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
where were we you know what i mean i'm like hello hello where am i you know what i mean it's not right yeah you gotta kill the audience in your brain you know like who's it for right it's just for you two yeah or three or four who am i to say okay i guess we answered your question i could do any name except my mom's okay that's pretty good that's my line yeah or what's your mom's name
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And Miley, you know, I texted you like three days ago and I said, I miss Miley Cyrus because I was watching this music special. Miley came out and I was like, hello.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Jean was my grandma's name. Beautiful name. I think you could have a partner who has your mother's name, but you could shorten it. So you could just call her J. Jay is cute. Jay. You know, I think like you, I feel like names should not ever hinder you from falling in love.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
This to me is like, I don't date people that are left handed.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I feel like straight people must have mastered this, and maybe I don't know enough straight people anymore, but I feel like every straight woman I know is like, oh, my brother's name is Matt, and my husband's name is Matt, and my dad's name is Matt, and then my uncle's name is Daniel, and then my ex-boyfriend is Daniel. Like, it's all Matt and Daniel. Yeah. So they must have figured this out.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
But I know a straight couple that they have the exact same name. Yeah, yeah. And that, I think, is fun. That's hot. But then the family calls them. Boy, girl. Boy and girl. They say it's me, boy.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Is she hot as fuck? Unfortunately, a couple midnights ago, you know what I'm talking about? She was ringing in the New Year. Yes. And I said, we've turned a corner. Yeah, she's hot. She turned a corner into hotness. I think it's because she's a little bit older now. I think she also gives less of any shits. That's what it is. There's something where she took that wig off of Hannah Montana.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Are you talking like in the Netflix original Bird Box?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Boy and girl. They're bird boxing this couple. Thank God you remembered bird box. Nobody's talking about bird box enough on this show. Not enough. That movie did rock, though. Dude, wow. That movie did rock. Yeah, they call them like Jordan Girl, Jordan Boy.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And they are in their 50s. It's not right. So it is weird to hear that. But I think go for it. Even if you can't say their name in the bedroom, say it.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's such a small sacrifice. Okay, we have one more.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And she did the whole riding that wrecking ball thing. 100%. By the way, I loved Wrecking Ball. That is one of the best albums of all time. Bangers. Bangers, right? Four by four. Okay, we're here for it. I love that album. For sure. She got hotter.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
She left and she got hotter.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And she was performing at this event. They rented out Radio City Music Hall. Of course. And... She kept saying, oh, are you guys going to do that whole Grammy thing? Get into it. Yeah. She was telling the crowd.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
She's like, get up. Yeah. Well, she's like performed at the Grammys and no one was singing and no one was vibing. But those award shows are so stuffy because everyone is competing against each other. So when the other person is performing, they don't want to be into it.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Do you think? Fuck you. Yeah. And I hate that. Yeah. And I like that Miley is like calling it out. Do you think that Miley Cyrus would hate my guts?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Ladies and gentlethems, welcome to another episode of Two Dykes and a Mic. I'm Sheryl Crow. And I'm Sheryl Crow Sr. Can I, for those of you listening, you need to watch because Rae has on platform cheetah print or leopard print, I actually don't know the difference, Uggs. Yeah. Yeah. They are what I would assume would be in the movie Coyote Ugly. Yeah.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
No. Yeah. I don't think she would. Do you know my Miley story? I'll tell it on a private episode. Okay. I think I've told it on the pod before. God damn it.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I hate when that happens.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
But it does have to deal with... Never mind. I can't. It's literally too raunchy for this podcast.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Oh, my God. Tell me in the car on the way home. I will tell you. While we hook up in the finger pit. Can I tell you how my Valentine's Day was? Yep. Okay. Also, happy Valentine's Day.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Happy Valentine's Day.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
We were FaceTiming for most of the day. I know. We were separate. But it felt like we were together. I know. Okay.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Tell me what happened. We hooked up all day long in the morning. Did you? For real? Don't lie. No, I'm talking about us. And then once we were done hooking up. Yeah. I got ready and then I took my wife to a four hour glass blowing class. That's so cool. It is so gay. I'm going to send photos because the one photo was taken by the person who was glass blowing.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Like the other, the woman who was teaching us. Yes. She was like at the very end, she was like, why don't I get a picture of you too? Because it was, it's a team sport.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Yes. I was there blowing. Of course. My wife was there shaping. OK. Oh, you have to do it. Yeah. In tandem. Yeah. So the person was like the person teaching us was like, this is it's you want to do it in groups. And it's timing. It's all timing. One one thing that we made took three people. Come on. What was it? It was a wine glass that had a little stem at the bottom.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
So we had to crack off the glass and then they had to run over and then put it on the other glass to melt it together. Whatever.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I'm obsessed with glass blowing. Yeah. One of my favorite shows is... blown away netflix shout it out it's on my bucket list to blow glass you gotta do it it's very i like how um first it's always sleek like that it's sensual yeah so i was like happy valentine's day we're gonna get hot and you go like
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I will say the blowing was the least sensual part. Interesting. It hurts. I didn't realize blowing was so hard. I'm being for real with you. It hurts. Going like this. Because then they're like, give me a two. Give me a five. Give me a six of the strength of your blow. Oh, wow. You have to really know how forceful your blow is. And it hurts. Oh, Ken. I don't do that a lot. I'm a trumpet player.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Okay, so you'd probably do really well at it. It's so much fun and it's so hot. You know, I love being hot. Yeah. You're within a lot of open flames. Right. It was so much fun and we made so many things, but I did look the gayest I've ever looked.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
The photo that was taken, I'll send it to Leah.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Please put it up right now. Very quick. Just flash it. I was like... You're like, am I hot? You dyke. Yeah. You know what? No, it's not even like hot dyke. Yeah. It's giving froggy girl dyke. Oh, for sure. Yeah. My legs were spread. I was really like, it was not cool. I think that's the perfect Valentine's Day. It was so sweet. And then we made so many things for each other. That's really sweet.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And you had to do it together. Yeah, we did it together.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
And new experiences together are so powerful. It was so much fun. I was so, so, so jealous of you because I really wanted to be there with you guys. Yeah. I wasn't invited. I just wanted to be there with my wife. Yeah. Us four. That would have been fun. Making a vase or something.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
my valentine's day nazara had booked way in advance us to do high tea together love this very fancy place that we were at last valentine's day to try to make a tradition but we canceled it because i had to go through the rest of the boxes that needed to be unpacked and my mom was in town it's you know what it's hard when your mother's in town for a valentine's day
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It is. And she's going through your stuff. And Mackenzie. I would say having your mom go through boxes of your things is the least sexy thing on the planet.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
She was like, I want to come see you guys' new place. And I was like, you know, we're still going to be unpacking. Yeah, for sure. And she's like, oh, I'll help. And I was like, you know what? Fine. Oh, I would have said no. It's fine. It's no big deal. I've been kind of busy. It'll be nice to have a second pair, third pair of hands out there. Second pair.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You haven't touched a box.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I'm like sitting in the back. First, she found. And we all know she's about she has found rope before. What do you mean? On the pod, I've spoken about her finding our shibari rope. Oh, I do remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you were like, oh, it's just rope. You can get away with it just being rope. It said, like, it lives in a box that says this is for fucking your daughter with.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It looks like something straight out of Coyote Ugly. First of all, do not bring up Coyote Ugly with me. You're in an outfit, first off, a mesh jersey that you can see through. Yes. You're in a very Coyote Ugly outfit.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You know what I mean? So that was tough. Her daughter. Yes. You. Me. Okay. Tough. And, like, whatever. She found... First, and I was actually okay with it because... I'm so nervous. At first, I was like, this is fine. Because she found, like, a bag full of Arbalessa stuff. Okay. That's fine. Right? Yeah.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
bellessa this messa it doesn't matter because i go like oh this is it's for work part of this this job part of the job yeah there's a ton of lube from pleasure chest i'm like this is all work i have to be honest i'm glad you brought up the lube from pleasure chest we did that six years ago you gotta throw that lube away wait a second wait a second we did that six years ago six years ago you've got to throw that away can i have a second
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
No. It does not expire. It's lube, dude. I think it probably does. What am I going to do? One day be like, I'm going to go buy new lube when I have a ton of it for free in the garage?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You need to donate it then. Donate it to Goodwill. Get some, get it out.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I need that lube. Don't come up in here taking my lubricants. People that listen, our Sharks, our Jayans, our Cheyennes, our Gayans, please comment if at six years, would you keep a bottle of lube or would you throw it out? It's not one bottle of lube. I know, but I'm asking them.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
There's hundreds of bottles of lubes and you can just use one at a time and just pick away at it. I can't believe I moved. Now that you're saying that. So you, when you moved, you just threw all that away. I threw it away like two weeks later. Oh, shit. Do you know that there's like half of my family is hoarders? Did you know that? I found that out.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I was talking to my mom about hoarding and she was like, oh, well, you know your uncle and your aunt and then your grandfather's brother. And I was like, we're what? And she goes, well, hoarders. Our family is like four people big. And she's like, yeah. And three and a half of them are hoarders. I'm like, wait a second. Am I one bad event away from being a hoarder?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
To be fair, to be fair, to be fair. I've been to your house.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
That's very clean. Borderline hoardery.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Our apartment... although had been for a while, is clean.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
It's clean. Hoarder and clean are not... Well, antonyms.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I can't believe I'm over here defending my lube to you. I can't believe I have to wake up, go to work, and defend my lube to you. Okay, anyways.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Mackenzie, Coyote Ugly is like... We don't serve water here. They're wearing like a denim bikini that ties in the front. Okay, they're wearing like Daisy Dukes and boots. Yeah, I've seen it. This is what they wear when they go home after a long shift. That's what I mean.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I'm concerned for your safety. Listen. I'm concerned for the pH balance of your puss.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
You know what I'm worried about? Becoming a hoarder. Great. A new fear that I have. Because everybody, you know what I'm saying? You're not born a hoarder. There's something in you that hoards. And then you take two life mistakes in the wrong direction. And then you wake up one day and you're covered in newspapers. I've seen, I watch TLC.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
So first she found all the Melissa and I was like, oh, you know, it's for work. She finds the lube. I'm like, that's also for work. We've been using it. Doesn't matter. She goes, if I see something like this, I'm just going to say I'm not mentioning it and move forward. And I was like, yeah, like I was like, LOL. But she I had already moved. I've known I knew that this would happen.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
So I moved all of our sex toys somewhere else. If you've been a longtime listener of this podcast and I'm about to say something, and if you're listening and you're like, I can't believe this happened again, just let me know. Or maybe I'm not the issue. My mom was in the freezer.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
because you're bringing up glass and there is one glass dealer that we have that we keep on ice we keep it on ice and I'm thinking why would I think I'm in the clear I'm in the clear because I moved all of my rope my shibari stuff the handcuffs everything else that I have it's in the one place and we moved it and I've got it right where it needs to be
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I always forget about the one that's rolling around our freezer.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Stop rolling around. I just want to say, because the freezer is so... To me, freezers are not clean. Yeah. It shouldn't be rolling around in your freezer. It's in a zippy, Ken. I also have a question about... It's in a Ziploc bag. I have a question. I have a question. Have you ever seen that movie where that kid puts his tongue on the pole?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Of course. You're talking about a Christmas story. Does that... Hey, does that ever happen? Does that? Dude, I mean, it hasn't yet. God willing, it won't. Doesn't that scare you? Well, now that I'm picturing it, it does scare me. What if it's just like a magnet to one of your... Dude, oh my God.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
I'm just... One of my lips? You're out of your mind. But could you imagine? Zara starts pulling away.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Dude, sorry for our listeners. This is a public episode. I'm so sorry. If I can make this a little bit scientific, why doesn't it happen? Because the science is all there that it would. Hey, Sharks, Cheyennes, Cheyennes, Cheyennes.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Can you please let us know why does the glass... Not a Christmas story.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#301 - Masc 4 Masc with Liv Hewson (Yellowjackets) Part 1
Dude, I'm going to get a text that says I got Christmas storied. I mean, like, hey, you guys have had sex with, like, chilled ice toys? Chilled sex toys, I'm sure.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1010 | Jase Issues a Correction for What He Said About Missy
Yeah.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1010 | Jase Issues a Correction for What He Said About Missy
Yeah.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1010 | Jase Issues a Correction for What He Said About Missy
Yep.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1010 | Jase Issues a Correction for What He Said About Missy
Right.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1010 | Jase Issues a Correction for What He Said About Missy
Yeah.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1062 | Send Your Kids Outside Again: Free-Range Parent Like a Robertson
Yeah.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1041 | Jase Dives In to How He Avoids Satanic Traps & What Demons Can Really Do to Us
Animosity?
Up First from NPR
Ukraine Talks, U.S. Health Agency Cuts, NYC Mayor Eric Adams Fallout
Regardless of whether they were filling an important role or how they were performing in that role.
Up First from NPR
Ukraine Talks, U.S. Health Agency Cuts, NYC Mayor Eric Adams Fallout
Regardless of whether they were filling an important role in the organization or how they were performing in that role, we're just going to fire everybody who's been here for less than a year.
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
Right.
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
There's no way I didn't get that spin.
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
Why do I play this game? What is this ball and chain I've tied myself to?
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
I love it. I just can't do it, Captain.
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
We'll fit right in.
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
Yeah.
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
It looks creepy.
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
Say it. Say it. Come on. Rock and stone. Rock and stone. See?
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
We're going to need a bigger boat.
Video Gamers Podcast
Dreadmoor, Deep Rock: Rogue Core and Over the Hill - Indie Gaming Podcast
To get to the top, bro. To get to the top and take a picture. We're going to take a picture together. I can take a picture from down here. We're going to build memories. And then we don't have to drive all that way. Don't you want to build memories with me? They last forever.
Video Gamers Podcast
[Replay] Pacific Drive - Gaming Podcast
Conjunction, junction, what's your function?
We're Out of Time
I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Definitely do. I mean, I have... Because you're bleeding.
We're Out of Time
I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Oh, that's cool. You know, I still got cats. No cats. I used to. Okay, don't tell anybody that again, okay?
We're Out of Time
I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Is that what you thought was going to happen here? Nah. Yeah. Yeah, but look though. I help people for a living, but I'm a piece of shit. I'm not helping you. Take it easy. Grab a water and a banana before you leave. Man, I never cried in one camera in my life, bro. That's crazy.
We're Out of Time
I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Does that answer the question?
We're Out of Time
I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Yeah. You want to go to treatment today? Well, guess what?
We're Out of Time
I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
My grandpa kept me on top of that insurance credit. Stop, stop, stop. I was going to do this for free, okay?
We're Out of Time
I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
You're going. You said you wanted to go. You said you wanted a life. I do. I do. I do. Go. Tell me.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
About the leap? Hates it. You love her? Yes.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
When's he coming out? You got to move the mom out.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Do not, do not move away from your children.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Not if you don't want to. We can turn you around. Congratulations.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Now, Let's talk about something fun. All right. Okay. What's fun?
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
F***ing hell. What does it say?
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Let's see. It's so exciting. I'm so glad. Dan, that's like a million a year forever.
We're Out of Time
I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
A million number after 40 years, please.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
That's it. All right. That sounds cool.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
You got great hair, dude. Nobody has hair like yours. If I could have hair like yours, I'd have hair like yours.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
It's okay, man. We're doing a little therapy.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
I did it right. Dude. I did it right. This guy came here and put his glasses down like this. I just got them two days ago. And I'm like, oh, I just got them. You do it like so.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Who, your grandparents? Yeah. So, uh. Do you talk to your mother at all? Yeah, I do. You good? How often do you talk to your mother?
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
You know what I'm saying? She, she, she. She done what she can.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Yeah, definitely. I've got a 15 year old daughter.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Just give me one of the group.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Okay. Do you own those two songs or does a label own them?
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Which is the new song? I'll say Shattered Dreams. Shattered Dreams? Yeah. Okay. You can find that? That's a good one. You like that. Shattered Dreams. See you next Tuesday. Ha ha.
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I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
You got kids? Yeah, I do. How many?
We're Out of Time
I Was Raised By My Grandmother To Avoid Street Life
Did I know? Dude, are you doing the math in your head? We're just going to say two. You're just going to say two? We're going to say two. It's two. All right. Well, you just told me you're violent, so I'm going to let you keep it.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I pledge you that we shall neither commit nor provoke aggression.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
You'll notice that about me. I don't lurk. I'm out there. I'm an action kind of girl.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
What happens when we come face to face with death?
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
My truck was blown up by a 20-pound anti-tank mine.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I just remember everything getting dark. I'm dying.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
To open our consciousness to something more than just what's in that Western box.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
And return. I clinically died. The heart stopped beating. Which I was dead for 11.5 minutes. My name is Dan Bush. My mission is simple. To find, explore, and share these stories.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
You're strongest when you're the most vulnerable. To remind us what it means to be alive.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Not just that I was the guy that cut his arm off, but I'm the guy who was smiling when he cut his arm off.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Alive Again, a podcast about the fragility of life, the strength of the human spirit, and what it means to truly live. Listen to Alive Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1. I just knew him as a kid. Long, silent voices from his past came forward.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now, I need to tell you how I got here.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I kept just kind of asking everybody, anyone else think this is strange?
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
You'll notice that about me. I don't lurk. I'm out there. I'm an action kind of girl.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I've been a 24-7 slave owned by Master Zarius since 2004. One of my friends calls me a pragmatic hedonist. I'm totally down with that.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
We're a Gorian family and belong to the Gray Eagle family. Previous to being owned by Master Zarius, I was a BDSM submissive to a variety of masters and mistresses. I've been in the lifestyle since I was 18.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I've spent too much of my life being so harsh on myself. My house isn't as clean as my mother's. My waistline isn't as small as someone else's. My hair is too stringy. My taste buds aren't developed enough. Whatever.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I tried on the cute pants first and they fit like they were made on me. And it happened. A small smile curled the left side of my mouth. And for the first time in many weeks, I was able to see my entire body in the mirror. And I liked what I saw. Her adventures in baking. A short time later, voila, an excellent dessert, which the guys at my office are enjoying right now as I type this.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I cut the result into squares and stack them to make a cute little strata. Everyone here thinks I'm an excellent baker.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I started thinking about how so much of my life has been work to find the balance between being tough and being soft. I went a little overboard in the toughness department to the point where I had no soft edges at all. On more than one occasion, I was thrown out of bars for fighting. A little before I turned 30, I started getting tired of always having to be so tough.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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so my pendulum swung the other way. I became all soft all the time. When I took off the exterior shell of toughness, my soft underbelly was all that was left. I cried at the slightest provocation. My feelings were frequently injured, and I showed hurt puppy-dog eyes to my owner when he raised his voice just a few decibels.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Okay, so being tough all the time was exhausting, and being weak all the time was even worse. Sigh.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
How well did I adapt to being property? Well, that depends on whether you ask me or Master. LOL.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I was not used to not being in charge of my time, tasks, destiny. It was an ugly adjustment that ended up bringing depth and greater understanding in my relationship with Master. Because we both wanted to be together in our roles so badly, neither of us expected it to be so hard.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
She had been shot twice in the head and in the back.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I learned how to shut up. I know it sounds simple and truly it is. However, the amount of willpower necessary to put this into practice is enormous. The self-control practiced by all the slaves who I esteem is beyond imagining to most of those who don't serve.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I see so many posts asking what is, quote, normal for a master, mistress, owner to do. This is my response. Our real master gets up at 6 a.m. on the weekend to take the dogs out because his slave has a migraine. Our real master waters the basil plants when his slave is away, even if he doesn't like to eat the stuff himself.
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A real master goes for a walk rather than taking his anger out on his slave. A real master understands that his slave won't always perform perfectly while setting the atmosphere for perfection to happen. A real master punishes his slave when she does something wrong because he loves her. A real master uses his hands to hold and comfort a slave when she's overwhelmed with fear.
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These are all things that I believe a real master should do. And these are all things my master does regularly. I'm a blessed girl.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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Learn the science behind serving. Table covers, how to serve, formal table settings, napkin folding. Then go deeper into the mindset behind formal service. Take some time to experience the thrill of coordinated movements. Feel the rush of performing a job well. Acknowledge the place deep inside yourself where a desire to serve naked lives.
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While you'll walk away with handouts, the most valuable gift you'll receive is the knowledge that setting and serving at a formal table is within your immediate grasp. After the class, join us for a luscious dinner where you can practice your skills, either as a diner or a server.
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For many people, it feels comforting to not have to be in control all the time. There's this feeling of glorious freedom actually in not having to make decisions anymore. You've just become an instrument of somebody else's will.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
And this is actually liberating because now instead of being constantly faced with all of these choices that maybe overwhelm you, somebody else is going to make them for you. And that feels good.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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I guess the last thing is just providing pleasure and happiness to another person, which is a very human thing to enjoy doing, that you really get a lot out of seeing your dominant feel pleasure and be happy and knowing that that came from you.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I have data that suggests to me that a lot of people are motivated by unhealthy things, which unfortunately the BDSM community is terrible at actually having frank conversations about. I put the data in my book from 2017. It's quite clear that submissives have lower self-esteem than dominants do.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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I think a lot of times people are motivated to be submissives because they think they aren't good enough at being a person. And so they want somebody else who they think is better at being a person to help them be a person.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I can take them for a walk. I like putting people in leashes. It's fun.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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Any good sociologist can tell you that just being part of a community is usually very good for people's mental health. I think finding community is often the biggest reason why people end up being heavily involved in the BDSM subculture.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Sure, they might like doing kinky things, but ultimately the thing that really gets them joy and why they keep coming back to what is functionally a social club is because they like the people there and they feel emotional support and validation from them. On the whole, it's pretty beautiful to be around, it can be pretty beautiful to be around other people who share your outlook and values.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I will hasten to add that that is like way outside of mainstream BDSM right now.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
BDSM subculture as a whole is extremely liberal for a variety of reasons. There's this thread in the pansexual BDSM community that, like, we're all, regardless of our gender, have all BDSM roles equally available to us. The idea of a system that would restrict that is very... antagonistic to that norm.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
And so it's one of many reasons why I would say mainstream BDSM subculture tends to like giggle a lot nowadays about gore.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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It is not unheard of for people who are in master-slave relationships to say that they have given up their safe word, which means that whatever the top chooses to do to them, the bottom has said that they will take it.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Not long ago, Master and I had a, we'll call it a difference in viewpoint. That sounds pretty benign, right? That difference in viewpoint culminated in me making a conscious choice to not follow Master's protocols for greeting him when he came in one evening. Frankly, I had come to the conclusion inside my head that Master didn't care about the greeting ritual and wouldn't mind me skipping it.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Boy, was I wrong. When I was close to Master, he reached out his arms as his lips came close to mine. I thought we were going to have a hug and a kiss. Imagine my surprise when Master's hand went around my throat and he forced me to my knees while calmly and quietly asking, Did you forget something? I believe he even had a smile on his face.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
You tell me this story and you say this is disturbing and I understand why, but I hear that story and I think, oh, that's hot.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
So when she was killed in a wealthy neighborhood... She had been shot twice in the head and in the back, behind the heart.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I pledge you that we shall neither commit nor provoke aggression.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
What happens when we come face to face with death?
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
My truck was blown up by a 20-pound anti-tank mine.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I just remember everything getting dark. I'm dying.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
To open our consciousness to something more than just what's in that Western box.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
And return. I clinically died. The heart stopped beating. Which I was dead for 11.5 minutes. My name is Dan Bush. My mission is simple. To find, explore, and share these stories.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
You're strongest when you're the most vulnerable. To remind us what it means to be alive.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Not just that I was the guy that cut his arm off, but I'm the guy who was smiling when he cut his arm off.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Alive Again, a podcast about the fragility of life, the strength of the human spirit, and what it means to truly live. Listen to Alive Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1. I just knew him as a kid. Long, silent voices from his past came forward.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now, I need to tell you how I got here.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I pledge you that we shall neither commit nor provoke aggression.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I kept just kind of asking everybody, anyone else think this is strange?
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
You'll notice that about me. I don't lurk. I'm out there. I'm an action kind of girl.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I'm not going to say it. Say it. I think there's something seriously wrong with John Norman and his followers. This is Jess, the internet sleuth in Minnesota. I'm not like out there. I'm woman, hear me roar, right? I'm not doing that, but it would be a cold day in hell before my husband whipped me or told me I could or couldn't do anything because he would find himself outside the house.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I did some digging, like her name, Talena Zar. I was like, that's weird. So I kind of just Googled and this Gorian stuff popped up. And then as you go through with some of her friends, it'll say Gorian or master this or sister wife or just little odd tidbits. And I'm like, what is that? What is that?
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Here's the conversation I had at the Social Security office today. Me. I've had a name change and need to get my car changed. Social Security worker. Why did you change your name? Because I wanted to. Did you get married or divorced? No. Then why did you change your name? Because I wanted to. So you don't have a reason. Yes, I have a reason. The reason is because I wanted to.
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I don't feel like we're getting anywhere. Me. Same.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
So I started reading the novels and then listening to them on audiobook. And it's different. It's not something I would read, I don't think.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
They have very black and white views on I'm the man. It's my job to protect. It's your job to submit to me and never ask questions ever. You do exactly as I say when I say it. I'm going to put a collar on you. You don't eat dinner until I say so. You have sex with who I say so. You wait on me hand and foot as I say so.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Very, very just dominant, submissive, not like Fifty Shades of Grey, but like some of the stuff I saw on FetLife because I created a fake profile to creep on these people. I mean, there's women in cages. There's women that they bleed. They like cut them so they bleed. They do something called kid play where they wear diapers and pretend they're kids. It's very not my cup of tea.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I remember a conversation where we all refused directly to call Wolf, Wolf, because we were like, we're not calling you by some pseudo friggin, you know, master name. All of us were like, this is disgusting. We're not into it. And then I came to understand that that was not his Gorian name, so... We decided to call him Wolf.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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And Wolf tried very hard for the first, I want to say, two, three weeks to cover up the Gorian aspect of it. Even though we were very convinced that that had something to do with it. You did think it had something to do with it? Initially, I did. Absolutely.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
He gave me a very PG version of things. He had told me that it was like live action role play of Dungeons and Dragons, but they have sex with each other. That's how he explained it to me. And I said, oh, okay.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I didn't want him to think that I was super judging him because I don't want to make anybody feel bad about their sexual preference or what they want to do as long as everybody's gung-ho for it. Cool. Sounds good. But the more I talked about it, the more it sounded like these women weren't, they were consenting, but they were all abused or had had really bad lives.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
And I didn't think that they were mentally capable really of making the choice to consent to something like that. And when I questioned him on it, he just shrugged it off like that I didn't know what I was talking about. And maybe I don't. I'm not sure.
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to take their family group seriously. The men all had rings of an eagle and they all had the same ring because they were in the Gray Eagle family. He was very proud of it. He thought it was great.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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We are a Gorian family and belong to the Gray Eagle family who hosts an event in Oklahoma called Gorefest. We always have a fantastic time.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
In 1999, a few Gorians from online HTML chat decided to get together for a small gathering to share in real time what they felt in virtual time, to honor the spirit that John Norman wrote about in his books.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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It would be a time for all to come together and share thoughts and ideas while enjoying, for a short time, what each role plays online, whether free or slave, to enjoy the freedom of being themselves. From the original 13 that were here in the fall of 1999 for the first gathering to the record 75 attending in 2004, there exudes an astounding feeling of family.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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I asked about the protection collar he said he had for Talena. And then he explained to me when Tom died, he moved in there to help Talena because she hadn't dealt with her own money or anything. When Tom was alive, Talena had no control over her own life. Everything was decided by him. When she went to work, what she wore, what she ate, when they ate.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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Any money she made went straight to him and he covered, you know, he paid the bills. So when Tom died, Wolf lived there and did all that for her. So he said that it was his Talena wife. So it was a second wife. And said the collar was just to protect her from other Gorians trying to take her collar. And at that time, I didn't know what that meant.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
We built kind of a trust. You know, I feel like he would tell me little bits and pieces of things about his relationship. And he'd become really vulnerable with me. He'd cry. He started telling me personal stories about his life, his family, his mom. And we just built a relationship. He'd like to FaceTime with me. And he'd see the kids in the background and he'd say nice things.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
You know, he never said anything creepy to me or the kids. To me, he'd sometimes say creepy things, but never to my children. He'd always, oh, look at Maddie. It looks like she's grown since the last time I saw her. She looks beautiful. Like,
What Happened to Talina Zar
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things that you would say to me you know you'd be like oh your daughter's so pretty or something you know we back and forth like you'd say nice things about people's kids to them and we just got close
What Happened to Talina Zar
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And I'm telling my buddy this as we're sitting in the garage. And he said, do you not think that you just got rid of everything? I'm a possible crime.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
She had been shot twice in the head and in the back.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I pledge you that we shall neither commit nor provoke aggression. John F. Kennedy.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I kept just kind of asking everybody, anyone else think this is strange?
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
You'll notice that about me. I don't lurk. I'm out there. I'm an action kind of girl.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Just remember to hold me and treat me like a slave. We'll need some more weapons.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season 1.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
When Tom passed, I mean, she was obviously devastated. Her world had kind of revolved around him.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
They had one of those bombs that, you know, everybody could aspire to.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Little towns have their skeleton. I mean, they're not without.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I'd done some internet digging, and then that popped up with the John Norman, Gorian novels. And I was like, what the hell are you people into? What is going on here?
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
Listen to new episodes of Bone Valley Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
What Happened to Talina Zar
Belonging — Talina Zar E3
I kept just kind of asking everybody, anyone else think this is strange?
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So when she was killed in a wealthy neighborhood... She had been shot twice in the head and in the back, behind the heart.
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They want to know the tea, and you go get the tea. Y'all think that, you know, the Love Island people, the Love is Blind people, the Bachelor Nation, you think that those are something? Let me tell you something about pageant people.
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Right. And I don't like stuff like that. Me either. So being someone who loves reality TV and wants our stories to be told in the way that we can only tell them ourselves and like women can only tell ourselves. Yeah. I'm going to reach out to the girls. I'm going to collect all y'all like infinity stones. I'm like, these are all my girls.
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God, I mean, there's been so many good ones. You had Morgan recently.
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With that random guy from Atlanta. Yes, and I really loved that one. Again, another infinity stone.
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Give our girls a space. Give us a space. Give us a chance. Like people, of course, had a lot to say about that interview and just like, I don't even like calling them interviews because to me it's just like, we just talking. But people had a lot to say because they have their own preconceived notions. And sometimes people already have it made up in their mind what they want to think about you.
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But I just feel like having your own space to talk about your own shit is important. And that's where relationship comes from. It's not always about romance. Sometimes it's just about like, I want to talk about what's important to me.
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I am currently in the process of producing my own shows.
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I love true crime. I love documentary. I love reality. Obviously I love dating. So like for me, anything in that wheelhouse is that's my vibe. I can see that.
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I think what it's taught me about me is like how dedicated I am to this job. Like even for Catfish, like I said, I'm technically just a host. I don't have any producer credits. I'm not, you know, I don't get any royalties from anything that's on the internet or streaming or what have you. But I watch every single episode.
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edit before it goes to the network and goes live on television because I care about the way that we tell people's stories and the things that are important to them. So if we're, you know, doing an episode with someone who is trans or who's
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queer in any capacity or someone who's a person of color and has gone through microaggressions or racism or for dealing with someone who, you know, has been through sex trafficking. Like we've had a lot of these kinds of really heavy conversations and I would never want for that to be showcased on television in a flippant light. Like these are real conversations and let's face it, like,
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People who watch reality TV come from all over the world, all over the country. It's not just people in LA. It's not just people in New York. It's all the people in the middle. And if you've never met a trans person or never encountered a black person or had a black person as a friend, You don't know our stories.
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And if it is the first time.
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It has to be right. It's got to be right. Yeah. And I want to make sure that you have all the information so that maybe your mind changes. Or if you are a queer person who lives in the middle of Bumblefuck USA.
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And you need to see someone who looks like you. That representation is everything. And so for me, if I can, you know, go through and be like, hey, we gave some context to what this means. When we were talking about microaggressions here, we need to include something that, you know. That proves. Yes. Or just like a moment where I'm talking about what a microaggression is.
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We can't just assume that the audience knows. Right, right. So that's what it's taught me about myself is that I have always had a producer mindset. I don't know if it's being the eldest daughter or if it's being a Virgo rising, but my mind is always on the details.
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Girl, I feel like so much life has happened. I left Catfish after six years, which, you know, was a really difficult decision, but it was the right decision for me. I have been working on the podcast nonstop. And as you know, it is no joke. People don't understand how difficult podcasting is. It's a lot of work. It is. How many episodes do you do in like one day?
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And then what it's taught me about other people is that like people just want to be loved. And sometimes that looks weird. And sometimes it comes from weird places. Like Rihanna says she found love in a hopeless place. What's the problem? Why can't everybody else?
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I mean, we're definitely here, but again, like when it comes to those- Sparse. Right. When it comes to those bigger press moments, we're not being chosen. Our stories are being overlooked. The fact that Letia had not been on a podcast already or hadn't been, you know, obviously people contacted her, but like- Some of the bigger ones may have not because they're not thinking. Right.
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about her because she's a woman of color. That's bullshit. And I'm speaking for her, obviously. The reason why I went back to watch the rest of the season was because of how she handled herself at the final rose ceremony. It's like, we are making moves. These are things that we're doing, but they're not being appreciated in the same vein and they're not being amplified in the same way.
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So I think we're here. There are certain shows that I'm like, you know, I don't watch baddies. Yeah. I don't watch. I really don't even watch The Real Housewives like that. There are certain women that I support who are part of the franchise, but like. So you're not caught up on the latest Kenya Moore. I'm fairly caught up on that. Girl. Fairly caught up on that.
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But I don't have like a strong opinion yet as far as that.
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All I know is that illegal things were being done.
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And you can't do illegal shit just because you're on TV.
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She's also had such a long career that, like, for it to end in this kind of moment.
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No, I do. I love Love is Blind. That's one of my favorites. I love Love Island. Like I've been watching, don't listen to this. I've been, if you are from the Love Island production team or any network, I've been watching Love Island and X on the Beach since I had to get like a fake VPN to watch it from the UK.
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Yeah. Whoops. Incriminating evidence. Allegedly.
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Everything's alleged. Allegedly. Nothing can be proven. But I absolutely did do that.
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Which was a huge fucking missed opportunity for me. I just wasn't. I honestly, I was in like. full catfish lane, figuring out if I was gonna leave the show, what I was gonna do next with my life. Adding shows to my life just felt like too much. It's not too late to run a bit. I know. I know. And I love Serena. I met Serena and Cordell and I love both of them.
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Three is my max. Like if I do a solo and then two interviews, then like I'm good. But anything over that, you just- It's brain fried. Your brain is just like, and now you're like, what did I even say? Mouth dry, brain is fried. Don't know what you said. Fumbling, yeah. Yes, but you're killing it.
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So definitely going to have them on the pod at some point. But my all time favorite reality TV star, the HBIC, Tiffany Pollard.
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Hello. Come on, she started this game. I quote her at least once a day. She's the queen. That is my girl.
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Give it up, Delicious. That's my girl. She's so funny. She's so funny, like intentionally and unintentionally.
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I would watch a live stream of her just existing. Yeah. Like big brother style, but just her in the house.
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She's so good. She's so good. What show would you go on? You know, a lot of people have been asking me lately if I would ever go on Traders. I could see you on Traders. Would you come? Duh. We should both be on Traders. How do we like submit together? That's a submission.
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From Pageants to Podcasts: Kamie Crawford Tells All
I don't know. I'm not telling.
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I'm not telling. Damn. I would tell you because you wouldn't snitch. No, I wouldn't. No.
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From Pageants to Podcasts: Kamie Crawford Tells All
I'm so proud. Thank you. But yeah, I've just been working, doing my thing. Like really- just like refinding myself and what it is that I really want out of this life. And, you know, I'm in my 30s, so 30 flirty and thriving, trying to figure it all out still. Yeah. But way more confident and feeling more at peace with myself and my decisions.
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From Pageants to Podcasts: Kamie Crawford Tells All
You know, I always say like, I didn't grow up with a mom who
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critiqued her body and i think that that helped me a lot because i have a lot of friends girlfriends who like their moms talk badly about their bodies and like they're just girls like i think as we get older we realize like our moms are just girls just doing their absolute best they're just doing their best and like yeah of course we all have moments when we look at ourselves in the mirror and we don't recognize ourselves and i can't even imagine like after having kids and life changes and just like a beauty standard back then beauty standards and then like
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Life just happens and you get older. Like things on my body aren't in the same place that they used to be. I look at myself, I'm like, oh. That's new. Interesting. Thought my areolas were done growing in size, but I guess not. They grow an inch every day. Every single day. I'm only areola now. I'm like, oh, she's areola today. Got it. Anyway. But not having that...
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as like a standard of like, oh, every time you look at yourself in the mirror, you should say something negative to yourself about yourself. I think it helped with the way that I would see myself. Cause I didn't think to do that in the mirror. Does that make sense?
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And just like knowing that having curves were celebrated and like, it's just in the Caribbean, like being skinny is technically like a bad thing. Like my mom got made fun of for being skinny when she was a kid. Because they would say like, if you're too skinny, then that means you can't cook.
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Why are we even talking about this person? Get out of the relationship.
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Yes. Oh, I already know. I already know. I've seen her on TV. Yeah, she's fun. But, yeah, I feel like that it's only helped me with my own perception of myself and then also having sisters. Like, I'm the oldest of six girls who all have different shapes and sizes and colors and we're all different. And, like, if I'm constantly shitting on myself... What are we teaching?
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Like you have to. I'm constantly telling my sisters how gorgeous they are, how smart they are, how like beautiful human beings they are. My mom always did that to me. She always did that to my sisters. And so I, yeah, I just, life is too short to shit on yourself all the time. What are we doing? We only have one body. Like if you don't, in my mind, if you're not happy with something, change it.
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Work on it. Go to the gym. Get on that surgery bed.
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Do what you gotta do. I don't judge anybody. Don't do anything that's going to like- Harm yourself. Yeah, no. Your life is the most important thing.
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There's a solution these days, okay? I didn't like the fact that, you know, I make so many faces all the time on Catfish that I started to get a line in the middle.
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You had one? I had. Come on. Come on. Or should we not raise our eyebrows and just be-
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I get baby Botox because I'm afraid of freezing because my face is so animated. I can't not have. But like... Who cares? Who actually cares? And if people are going to judge you for it, then like that's on them. I'm all about, I think I used to skew more, you know, body positive, but now I'm more like body neutrality, body autonomy, like balance. We have this body. This is the one that we have.
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And there's just a certain level of discernment that comes with being in your 30s that in my 20s, I can't say that I didn't possess.
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What are we gonna do about it? Like just being at peace and being at peace with the changes that your body is gonna go through. My body is, my weight has fluctuated my entire life. I cannot be attached to any version of it because none of them exist anymore. The one that I have right now is the one that I got.
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I'm looking at pictures. This is what y'all been looking at? Hey, slow down. This cannot be. Yeah. the face everybody else is looking at. And so I didn't like it. So you know what I did? I booked a bunch of solid core classes.
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Girl. What? um you know i had never competed in pageants before yeah so i competed at miss maryland teen usa that was my first pageant and then from there you go to nationals so miss teen usa was my second pageant ever so i was not aware what a stage the pageantry game that they came from tots i was not aware i also was not aware of the fandom that is pageantry
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We didn't even know what we wanted.
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Y'all think that, you know, the Love Island people, the Love is Blind people, the Bachelor Nation, you think that those are something? Let me tell you something about pageant people.
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And they have very strong opinions and they come from all over the world and they are brutal. And I was 16, 17 years old. I didn't know. I didn't know. And I quickly got to know through the experience. It changed my life, obviously. I wouldn't have even known that being in front of the camera was something that I wanted to do at the time I wanted to be a dermatologist.
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I wasn't even thinking about television. I had never thought about anything that wasn't a traditional career path. And so through that experience, I got that, you know, in front of camera experience. And I was like, oh, hosting could be something that I could be good at.
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But the, from having not done a pageant and not being familiar with pageantry to doing one and like going in full force, you have to assimilate in a way that I can. don't think that I could have anticipated and also being a teenager, like it's very, yeah, you're very, um, vulnerable to susceptible. Yes, exactly. And, um, Yeah, afterwards I had a lot of unlearning to do.
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A lot of things that like I didn't grow up with, you know, body issues or.
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Now all of a sudden I'm like thinking in ways that I never used to think before, thinking about myself in ways that I didn't think before because other people are telling me.
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Like you could literally tell a pageant person like orange is my color. Like I just love orange. I look so great in orange. It makes me feel the most confident.
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and yeah i just really love when i wear orange and they'd be like orange is not your color and now you should be wearing black you go home and throw away all of your arms and now you're like oh shit okay well my evening gown is orange yeah my interview dress is orange everything that i've packed for the entire weekend my theme is orange dreamsicle yeah superstar barbie and now your crush you got a rebrand your orange crush
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Now you're orange crush. Now it's done. Now you're wearing black and that's not your color and you don't shine. And like people have a lot of opinions and they try to impose them on adults, adults, which is the craziest part. Like y'all don't have jobs. Why are you in the room? Aren't you supposed to be clocking? Why are you here?
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Why are you here in my Facebook messages telling me that you don't like my choice of evening gown? or like grilling me about just things that like you shouldn't be talking to a child about. And so, you know, you just have to unlearn those things.
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And then even like the, you know, political correctness that comes with being a beauty queen and like what people expect for you to say versus what you actually think and feel. I can't tell you how many beauty queens I meet now who will be like, you literally say everything that we wish we could say. Like, I wish I could say that. I wish I could.
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And even people who aren't in pageants anymore, they're like, I wish I could. Why can't you? Do you still have like ties to that industry? Not. As far as the organization is concerned, but I know the pageant girl still. I still have some friends from my year, and then I have collected other pageant girls over the years, and I can spot a pageant girl from a mile away.
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It is some shit, but it's honestly fun. It is fun.
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I'll be honest with you. The NFL NBA cheerleader to pageantry pipeline is very close. It is. So you could have done one. You could have, did you? I'm like, you could have.
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I feel like if you were, you would have done one and either one and like kept it going or quit.
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And when you have a team, it helps.
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I need to lose some weight. That's how I internalize that. Yeah. I had gotten down to a size zero by the time I went to Miss Teen USA. But if you're not naturally, like if your body is not naturally composed to be a size zero, you're going to look bigger than a natural size zero.
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You can do whatever you want to do. There's nothing that you can't do. And you should eliminate anyone from your life who makes you feel like you have to limit yourself. Heard. I don't care who it is. I say it could be your granny.
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See you at Thanksgiving. I don't have to talk to you on a regular basis. If you make me feel like I'm not that girl.
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Yes. Relationships too. Yeah. Significant others. If they make you feel like you can't shine. Gotta blast. You gotta go. I've been there. Where you don't even recognize yourself in the mirror because you're like, I have dimmed my light so far down that there's none left. I've given it all to this person. No.
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You know, Scorpio to Scorpio. We're always working on something behind the scenes. Always something on the back burner. There's always something bubbling up. We have an episode with Latia from The Bachelor. It was giving me flashbacks to our episode because like Letia, first of all, stunning, gorgeous, beautiful.
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From Pageants to Podcasts: Kamie Crawford Tells All
Yeah. I know the only time that it gets tricky is like at your job.
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Start building something else. Like put the feelers out there. You don't have to be miserable. We're in such a good time too.
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Well, good time in a scary bad time sometimes. But you know what? The best thing about the world being such a clusterfuck is that you can literally do whatever you want.
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Yes. You saw me. I'm fighting with everybody. I was fighting with whole families and friends for you. I don't give a damn.
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You can be whoever you want to be. Literally.
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And it's fine. Like you should be, and I've thought about this because, you know, I worked on Kamala's campaign and like, I've been very heavily involved in politics in the past year.
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I was just like, am I gonna be down in the dumps about the state of the world, the state of our union for forever? Or should I just focus on me, focus on what I can control?
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Um, we wouldn't even be having this conversation because you wouldn't know. You would have known in the first three seconds. You know what? What's crazy is that these days you really don't know. You don't. So you do have to ask those questions. You can't ignore it. And, um, For me, there is no relationship because here's the thing about different political beliefs. We're not in a day and age where
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political beliefs are just political beliefs. They're tied into morality. They're tied into morality. They're tied into safety, human rights. If you don't value my safety as a woman, as a black person, as a human being, you know, for queer people being in a relationship with someone who, or even just like, if you have queer friends or queer family, like I do, I have trans women as friends.
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If you don't support the same political beliefs as me, then, or at least, you know, if we don't have the same values and you vote differently than I did politically, then that means that you voted against all those people that I care about. No. I don't want to be with anyone who is racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, none of those things.
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I don't want to be with anyone who is anti-human beings, ableist. The list goes on and on. I'm very strict around here. And I love it.
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Because you know what I've realized is that when people have different political beliefs in certain areas, and when you watch the tone of politics and the way that it goes, there's a pattern. Anytime government or people start coming for minority groups, In the end, they always come back to Black people and they always come back to Black women. First.
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Yeah. Yeah. So when they're rolling back trans rights, what do you think they're about to do to us? What do you think they're going to do to us? Because they already use transphobia to... degrade and demean black women all the time. Look at Michelle Obama. Look at Sierra.
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Like what? Especially if you're brown or dark skin. Oh, it's over. It's a wrap. Yeah. No, I don't even want to date a man who's colorist. No, I don't even want to date a man who's only dated light skinned women.
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No. Right. For me, it's a hard, hard no.
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I don't want to be with a man who talks badly about brown skin or dark skin women, period.
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Can you imagine? And like for a light-skinned woman like myself, like I can't stand that shit. I think it's so corny. I think it's so corny. It is corny. I will never- ever be attracted to that kind of mentality. Because my sisters are brown and dark skinned. My friends are brown and dark skinned. Our children could be brown and dark skinned.
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What are you gonna say? What do you think about your mother? What?
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What do you think about yourself?
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So no, the answer is hard. Absolutely the fuck not.
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Oh, my God. Especially the crypto bros. Like, give me a break.
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Oh God, I feel like I'm gonna say leave it to everything. Go ahead.
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I don't know if two oldest siblings like could be together. Like unless you're an only child. I think two like only children do really well together because like they know how to play by themselves. Yeah. But like two eldest siblings.
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and i think as a middle child he has had to be like the middle man in life and like make sure that everyone's good and as the oldest i can absolutely lead but i love being with someone who does it for me because i'm always doing it yeah you know yeah but if you have two eldest siblings and you're both always the leader who gets to like or take a break spoiled last sibling yeah oh god
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Yeah. And also they're not my core listener base that listens in every single Friday. So they're here because they want tea. They want drama. And you know me, I'm not that type of bitch. That's not where you go.
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I don't know if two babies can be together.
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So he knows how that, like, I think that all of those things play a role, you know? So yeah, I, I, I believe in that. Um, so we love it. I love it. Okay.
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You know, I'm an active listener. So like if I'm having a conversation with you, obviously I'm like, yes, correct, right. I'm also just a yapper. Yeah. But if I'm talking to my man and he's doing that to me while I'm telling something, I don't know if I like it that much.
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Because I'm going to think that you are thinking that I'm a joke.
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even though that's not how i do it yeah with like my girls like we always act like listen like you know but like if we're having a conversation and i'm telling him how he hurt my feelings or something like that which i don't have that experience but like if we're having a conversation like that and he's like um yes right no yes i i totally get that Quiet. Were you silent or were you silenced?
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Like I really. Yeah. Don't stare at me blankly. Yeah. But don't like interject while I'm talking to you.
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because I will absolutely interject when he's telling me something. But I want him to do it to me. Because I'm a hypocrite.
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Can I talk? To me, that's active listening.
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Because the way that you're saying it and the way that I remember it.
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I think I agree with that. I don't know if I want to love that one or leave it.
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Because also if I'm telling him a story about like, tell him, let's pretend like it's not an argument or like something that we're disagreeing on because we don't really fight, but we disagree for sure. If I'm telling him a story about somebody who had me fucked up, I need you engaged. I need you to have my back.
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Okay. I need him to be in on that. Yeah, yeah. But if I'm telling you something, I need you to sit there and I need you to listen until I'm done.
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Yes. You saw me. I'm fighting with everybody. I was fighting with whole families and friends for you. I don't give a damn.
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I've never heard of this. I've heard that before. However, that's my relationship.
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I just watched him the other day, eat an entire bowl full of olives. And I was looking at him like, that's disgusting.
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Yeah. I don't get the olive. I was just talking yesterday about dirty martinis, which I think are disgusting. Yeah, that's a different level of. I feel like we're being gaslit into liking dirty martinis. Yeah, that's gasoline. Why are you trying to convince me that this is good? Not good. It tastes like ass.
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Get some hair of the dog. Why are we drinking tomato soup to get rid of a hangover? No. Not doing it. I've never had one.
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It is disgusting. It makes me sick.
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Girl, I did have an olive, like literally three olives the other day. I think I was on a plane. And like, you know, when they come by, sometimes when I'm on planes, I just be trying whatever.
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I'm going to try it. And I think they gave me like a little thing of olives. And I did like two of the three that I ate, but not enough for me to ever buy a jar myself.
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From Pageants to Podcasts: Kamie Crawford Tells All
And you know what? That's why she said she came on.
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Because she felt like that was going to be the case.
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let me sit back yes let me do we have popcorn at yeah i went on a date with this guy it was set up by a friend i made her and our other friend come and watch from afar because i'm not i've i'm a serial monogamist and i've been in long relationships but i don't go on dates yeah I just don't. The idea of sitting across from someone for hours. Who are you? And why do I have to share a meal with you?
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And I just, I never want my guests to feel like they have to divulge something that is uncomfortable to them. Like, you know, I was, I asked the questions, but like, I'm not over here. Like, so some type of weird slithering snake in the grass. Like, I just don't like that.
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Like you're a stranger, stranger danger. Anyway, she convinced me that I should go on a date with this boy, this man. He was a man, I guess. And we went on the date and he, it was a fine date. He laughed with his eyes wide open and that freaked me out.
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And I have Botox, so keep that in mind.
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And I was like, jump scare. I was like, oh. Maybe that was just a one-off. You're funny, but not eyes wide open.
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Please be so for real. And I don't like a man who like.
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Yeah. Don't like it. Too active. Leave it. Too active. And then he like, we had like FaceTimed a few times because like I was traveling for work and like I was in a really busy season of my life. And he was like, the FaceTimes were fine, but like he was doing that on FaceTime too. Like I was seeing not just the white stuff, like up top, like the whole thing. It was very spooky to me.
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And then I was in LA for work.
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What is so amazing? You should never be that happy. Why are you this happy? You should never be that happy. And about what? Relax, we're at dinner. Like chill. I was in LA and he like, I was working and he hit me up and was like, hey, like, when am I seeing you? Because we hadn't been on a second date after that. Well, rightfully so. I was busy.
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Like, yeah, I was entertaining you, but like, I'm not, you know, your eyes, you freak me out. And he was like, I was like, well, you know, I'm working like for the next few weeks or whatever, but like, would love to meet up with you in like three weeks when I get back to New York. I wasn't trying to dodge him. That just like was my schedule. And he was like, well, are we doing this or no?
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Because like, I'm not going to waste my time if you're not going to be like available to me. And I was like, no, we're not. Exactly. Mr. Vizing.
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I did not like that at all. It was very sassy. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not the person to do that to.
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I think he was trying to cast a spell on me.
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Freak. Ew. No. I didn't like that.
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Eyes wide open. Starring my creepy date. It was so strange.
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Don't ever try to monopolize my time. Ever. Because I was down to hang out with you.
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You need to go find something to do. Maybe if you had a fucking business, something you were passionate about, then you would know what it takes to run a fucking business. But you don't. So don't even act like you know what I'm talking about.
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That's another one my sisters and I say all the time to each other.
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Maybe if you had a business. Then you would know what it takes to open up a business. I don't have a business, Kim. She's like, I'm not going to do the photo shoot. Just because I don't want to run around and I want to be home with my kids. Yeah, literally. Literally. I watched Michelle.
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Aw. We took it too far. No, you took it exactly where it was supposed to go.
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Those messages, those need to be. If those were in the podcast.
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The lovebirds, the sweethearts of Netflix. Listen. They're so lucky to have you two. We all are.
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When we did your episode, that's, till this day, the most listened, most watched episode that we've ever done. Because people were wanting it.
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They want to know the tea. And you go get the tea. But don't think that you're going to be over here dragging my girl. Speaking of wanting to know the tea, friend.
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You know, I realized that after my last relationship with And like, you know, when you go back into your photo arsenal and like the things that you've posted and you go to delete everything or like archive pictures, I was archiving and deleting pictures where I was like, wait a minute, we took this picture when we were beefing. I posted this picture when we weren't in a good space.
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Who am I posting for? Like, is this for outside validation or like, Valentine's Day would come around or birthdays would come around. It would be like, you haven't posted your man in a while. Are you guys still together?
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Because if you don't post somebody, it means that you're no longer in a relationship with them. Like you can't possibly be happy.
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She didn't tag him. What do you think that means? And everyone wants to like deep dive on things that don't even exist. I posted a clip from the podcast where I was with Raven Ross from Love is Blind and we were talking about boyfriend air and like how being around your boyfriend makes you uglier. And obviously like, yes, it's true, but also like it's in jest, like it's a joke.
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And I got a comment from someone and they were like, you're laughing, but you don't think that it's strange that every time you're around your boyfriend, you get a pimple. And I'm like, well, first of all, Savannah, slow down. I'm going to get to your question. One thing about it, my man is the most peaceful part of my life. He is my safe space. I can be my full authentic self with him.
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But guess what? He has a beard. And he keeps that shit shaved. And so anytime he has a fresh shave and he kisses me all over my face, which is every single day, I get a pimple.
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After I do a skin... I get... I have sensitive skin. Yeah. I get pimples.
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Everything's not that deep. Yeah. I'm not saying that every time I'm around him, my face... That you break out in hives. I'm just breaking out in hives and I'm so overwhelmed and I'm so stressed. Yeah. No. But people like to read into whatever they want to read into.
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And like, I just let them. I think... I have really enjoyed protecting what is important to me the most. And that is like my love, my family. I have five sisters. I'm the oldest of six girls. You never see my youngest sisters. You never see the twins because I don't post and tag them because they are 18 years old. To me, they're children. there are certain things that I'm gonna protect.
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And by the way, the people who are smart have already found him. If I was them, I would have been found him the first day. I'd have been like, oh yeah. Yeah. But people have already found him. They send me his page all the time.
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They'll be like, oh, look, it's Mr. Blank.
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And when I see people in public that like listen to the podcast and they're like, I can't wait for you to show your man. I will show them him right there. He's not a secret. This one? This is him. Look it. Look. Yeah. And we'll like kiki about it or like they'll see him out. And it's so funny because people will see him and be like, it's Wizard Kelly.
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And he's never seen The Proud Family.
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never seen it wait say the wizard kelly reference for those who also haven't seen it if you have seen the proud family people of a certain age us millennials us millennials in the proud family it was actually shannon sharp that was the voice of wizard kelly that's so funny he was a character he was a basketball player and he was so tall that like you never saw his full face.
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You only saw like his lips because- Like from here down. Yes, because he was always out of the frame. And so when I post my boyfriend, I always just put his lips. Sometimes like they'll get a new face.
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From Pageants to Podcasts: Kamie Crawford Tells All
The comments are always so funny because they'll be like, earlobe unlocked.
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This is a different picture. And, yeah, you got to just imagine. He's fine.
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I am so happy. One, to see you. Two, to see that ring. Okay. Three, the fact that you have a podcast.
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And look at this is the other thing. Look at how much growth you can have in your relationship when you do keep it to yourselves. Y'all seemingly popped out engaged.
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And there's so much to be done that I think, you know, people who are just like excited to introduce their partner to their family and friends, like, okay, that's cute. But like, We were able to have the real conversations before, you know, without people having their little hands in it. I don't want your grubby little paws in my relationship.
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Some days I'm like, I'm quitting. No, I know. I'm quitting. I think about quitting everything often. Often. What was it this morning? Being a bad bitch. You know, when you have to get glam.
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I'm like, why do I do this? Like I had an eyebrow appointment this morning and I love my girl, but like driving there. I'm like, what if I just said, fuck it.
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But, you know, so when I first started the podcast, I was getting out of a bad relationship. I was actually still in it. And looking back, I'm like the audacity of me. To be giving advice. Who do I think I am? Like telling people to get into therapy when I myself had never even talked to a therapist before. Now I have since. Listen, I'm a rising Virgo. I can give the advice. I can tell you.
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I know what I need to do. But what I'm doing is something completely different. But I was able to like document that growth with my listeners. And you know, that like looking back was super helpful. But yeah. I definitely have learned a lot. I think, you know, my views on dating and things like that have changed and being with a man. A man. Now. Okay. Like life has changed. I'm like, why?
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Anytime someone writes in about like a relationship where, you know, oh, my, my boyfriend doesn't appreciate me or he doesn't give me compliments or he makes me feel belittled or I'm like, what? what are we even talking about? Why are we even talking about this person? Get out of the relationship.
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There is someone out there who is willing to give you every single thing that you need and can't wait, can't wait to love you properly. So what, but I've been there and not knowing sometimes like the fear of not knowing what else is out there keeps you in a bad situation. Not anymore, honey. Goodbye.
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And we were so funny. I know. I love that episode.
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And I was shook. I was so excited. I was so excited when you responded. It was the same thing with Latia. Like I DM her and she immediately was like, I just, you know, I gotta get the girls, especially the women of color, like for whatever reason. And I've seen you talk about this on here.
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Like not, you know, white contestants and people who are on certain shows. And it seems like good PR, but like you, your storyline was the moment. It was the press moment. Make that the clip. And I'm looking at... I'm looking at all of these other interviews that are being done with other people. And I'm like, who gives a fuck about this?
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We need to talk about he who shall not be named and Amber, because like that was the story.
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Right. And you posted that thing. Yeah. Tell me. I didn't like that you Did you post that after you broke up? What thing?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If he doesn't, like, appreciate you or whatever.
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Yeah, those pictures were hot as fuck.
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Obsessed with it. Love it already.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
The blocking is crazy because she just told me she saw a few block lists.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
He for sure saw them, though. They popped in a group chat. Probably. Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he saw it. It was for you. Somebody sent it. Yeah. This you? Not anymore.
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Yeah. So nice. So nice.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
We don't need nice. So, okay. Let's take it back. As far as you want, because I just want to talk about Jeremy for a second. Do y'all chat at all? No, but he... Because you posted something else.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Girl, what's new? What have you been up to? You know, doing my thing.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Traveling. Doing what I do best. You love to travel. I love to travel. Like literally every time I go on your Instagram, you're in a different location, different space. And I'm like, this girl is thriving.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I don't even know if I fully opened it. Or they had broken up and then he messaged you. They broke up a hot minute ago.
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They did? Yeah.
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Yeah. Her big stand up.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Wait, your TikTok following?
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I love the random people that like go so hard in your comments. I posted like a bikini picture yesterday and people were commenting like whatever they comment. Just like a few people.
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And it was like. This one lady was, like, after every single person's neck, like, coming for everyone's neck. What'd you say? Like, you wouldn't know.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
No, because you deserve all the support and all the love. Yes, baby. And something else is, like, so admirable about you is you still are such a woman in the workforce, balancing work.
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Yeah, this is casual. She's like, I just clocked out. I'm on my lunch break for this shit.
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No, literally. That's insane. But how are you balancing, like, what are we, a year later? And you're balancing and you're making it work. How is that?
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Yeah, no, it's giving like... what are you running from type vibes? But like, I'm gonna pull up. That's just like what I love to do. I feel like nothing like gives me like actual, like really like purpose and joy, like traveling does and just like seeing new cultures and stuff. And so that's definitely where I focus my time. So that's what I've been doing. Love that. I love that.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
We went on, like, the tour post show and all that stuff. But is there anything that you want to, like, clear up, talk about? Maybe secrets that happened, BTS, that we didn't talk about? On our season? Yeah.
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I want to see grits.
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You have one? No, I want one. Ooh. Come on, drop one. Wait, who was your number two? Ben. Ben.
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No one could have predicted any of.
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Which you have to. The vibes led me astray. Fuck those vibes. The vibes were off.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Did you guys have someone, like, in your, like, season that was, like, oh, like, the bad boy over there? Like, we had someone who was, like, very strong, like, the bad boy over there.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Yours was the bad boy?
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Or Trevor was, like, the bad boy?
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Like, the talk in the woman's, like, the woman's, like, lounge was, like, oh, like, he's, like, a bad boy. Ours is shocking.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
remember he was there for like a day was he the one that said he's gonna sell all of our phone numbers in social media yes yes yes yes yes yes he's gonna sell all of our phone number yeah yeah yeah that's funny but i don't know all of ours were all bad guys you guys had better like we had good guys but our we definitely had good guys but i remember like it was it's so funny because like you like look back on it you're like that's so odd but like everyone thought like the like was zach
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Which is, like, so random. Zach, who got married. Are you kidding me? No, I swear to God, he was, like, people would be, like, oh, you're kidding me. He's Zach. He's smooth? No, like, because he would go in her hair.
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Are we talking about bliss? Zach and bliss?
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Yeah, his pods were getting, like, hot, like, spicy talk. Like, dude, it was crazy. It was, like, the image that I had in my head of Zach was so, like, leather jacket, like.
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He is smooth. I met him in person, and I was like, he's a smooth talker. He is a smooth talker.
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Yeah, like, you have, like, all these heroes.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Also, another thing, when I was watching the new season, it was, like, the guy that was, like, talking about his height and stuff, and how he was 5'8".
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How he's a short king.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Okay. Let me ask you, if you had to go back to the pods tomorrow, And do it all over again.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Yeah. I love him. He's so sweet. And I was like... Everyone knew everything in our pods. Like, respectfully, we all knew everyone's exact height. Like, we all knew everything. Like, did you guys know that?
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I didn't. I remember going into my date after you with Clay, and he's like, yeah, I just talked to Laura. She told me she had a fat ass. I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
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And do what in there? Fall in love. I mean, I'd pull up, but, like, just to see what's going on. Maybe, like, an undercover agent or something.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
No, literally. I still have that drawing.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I might post it. No, you need to. So season eight, how do we feel?
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Yeah, Minnesota.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
You don't have to be on TV to be disappointed by a man.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Like an all-star cast.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I don't think I'd be looking for anyone in those pods. I couldn't even imagine trying to find love in a pod right now.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
He's our short king.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
He didn't even look short. Like, when they met and hugged, when she takes her heels off, they're like. I was so nervous.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I was like seeing, I was like, okay, how much space is above his head? How much is above hers? Like behind the wall.
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And I was like so nervous. And then they met and it like actually worked.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I will say something in the contract. I feel like everyone's like, oh, like they're so cute. I do think that they're really cute. I think that they have good chemistry and like they have surprised me a little bit. Like I think they will do good. But I have to say like a woman's intuition is rarely wrong. And I do feel as if he may have known who she was beforehand.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I just think that the way he was like not shutting it down when she was asking him about like, I think you followed me and unfollowed me on Instagram and he was like, I mean, I don't know why that would have happened. And then when she pulled out her phone and started looking, he was like, so if my name is there, like, it's just because, like, there is a good chance.
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And, like, that would freak me out if that was the case. But there's also a sense that it could have been, like, completely innocent or it could have not happened. So there's, like, lots of things.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Or it's like, is he the guy that just goes on... Instagram and just like, oh, she's hot. Follow.
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No, I couldn't. No.
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I know too much.
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If he didn't know, though, that's good, though. Because then maybe at least he didn't know what she was like. Maybe he did it, but maybe he wasn't like.
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I would be asking different questions, though, for sure.
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But he was, but also, like, I don't know. I do feel like he was very, like, attentive to her in that moment. Like, I'm not going to, like, say that he wasn't. He's, like, holding her hand. He's like, do your research. Yeah. See what you need to see. We can talk about whatever.
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Everything he has shown up as, like, a very, very good author.
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Y'all and him being like, if you want to go home, we'll go together. If you want to go to Honduras, we'll go together.
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And she's just like, he does seem like a really nice guy. And their families are really wholesome. Yeah.
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No, same. Are you going to say yes or no?
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And his sister.
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I wouldn't have expected that to like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I see them going distance.
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I didn't expect it either.
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I can see it.
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Yeah. Okay, so Joey and Monica, where are we at with that? First of all, I just want to say, I feel like Joey is like if Trevor and Jeremy had a baby. What? Oh my God, that's true.
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Do you want to be married?
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If they had a baby.
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Yeah, with like the hair and the Hawaiian shirts.
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Would you like to actually marry me? No, us both getting the big N-O at the altar.
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Hawaiian shirts trigger you. I mean.
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Trauma bond. Yeah. Aww. I remember watching yours.
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no that is a match I think they're like accepting probably more so than most yeah what I mean yeah they they yeah they're I could definitely see them working I don't know but I feel like sometimes like with this show it's like I just expect the ones that seem the most obvious to not turn out something's gonna happen I mean I guess their first thing that they've like ran into was like the family's disapproval or yeah sister yeah yeah but before that the fam jam that would have ran me out the door
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They were playing, like, instruments, and they had, like, a party, and he loved it. And she was, like, embarrassed. I'm like, sis, you know you do this. You know y'all do this.
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Sit down and get your drums.
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Yeah, no, literally. Literally. Literally. But then, okay, then... What was the conversation to the sister's man that he dated Monica for a bit?
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That was so rough. Also, my hair, please.
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Her sister's man.
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But I guess it wasn't like too intense. I think they talked is how Monica said they talked for a little bit. And then she was like, I think you'd be better for my sister. My sister. And so then Joey was making jokes like, oh, you still like want my girl or jokingly.
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So then the sister came in hot.
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Yeah. Well, she did. She literally was like, I'm older. I should be getting married first.
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So imagine you're sitting there on the couch and your sister got two men and gave you the one that she didn't want. And then you're still not married.
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And like, I don't know. I mean, also just like being I mean, I'm an only child, so I want to know. But I could see like, you know, deep down that you love your sibling. But I'm sure there's like a little bit of a competitive nature, whether you want to admit it or not, like deep down and like.
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I am one of seven and I have four younger sisters. And if any of them turned around and was like, I'm getting married tomorrow, I'd be like, hell yeah.
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Congratulations. Yeah. Nothing but support.
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maybe it's just not your time it's not my time yeah yeah i'm sorry but and then on tv cameras and television on tv wanted that for herself imagine wanting that though that's really sad yeah that was really mean she's like well i hope you don't get this like get married and then get divorced and she's like she's like hey when people see like just not your type like what is your man like yeah she literally like that's not your type you're gonna get married and then divorced i should be married first that's also just really negative like you're already like having all
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Our hair and lashes? Please. What happened to us? They ate us up. No, it literally, we gave, you look like what you're going through. We looked like we were dragged. And we were.
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the doubts in your own head. After the fam jam, she should have been in light spirit. We got to see him at the fam jam? Get the hell out of here.
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Okay, y'all. So, moving on to Devin and Virginia. What do we think? What do we think?
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Okay. I, like, on paper or, like, on my screen, like, watching them, I'm like, okay. Like, yeah, I love it. She's ride or die. She's stunning. Maybe a little out of his league in my opinion. But, like, just, like, really has it together. But... I can't help but think of the things I've seen. I've seen T on TikTok that he's like something funky. Shit, I haven't seen that.
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Yeah. Unless I'm mixing it up.
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I mean, I hope not. Not loyal? Sketchy? I think that's what usually comes out. How was it?
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Maybe unloyal or something. Damn. Yeah. I really like Virginia. I really like their connection right now.
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Like, you know, I love how she paints such a wholesome life and then goes, but I'm going to be a millionaire. So, yeah, sign this. Well, the generation. Well, I'm like, yeah, she said, I mean, I'll be at your basketball games and I'll be the cute housewife.
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No, we were. We were dragged.
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This is what I was thinking about this morning. No one has ever been angry about a prenup when it's a person that's less broke.
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Whoever's more broke is more worried about the prenup.
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My hair had a rat's nest. I had, like, no makeup left on my face. My bra straps were out.
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It's like, when you present a prenup, it should be like, okay, not, well, we can talk about it. Ain't nothing to talk about. It's nothing to talk about.
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In general, it's like, to protect everyone. Like, we go in with it. Yeah. We get a leave with what we came into it. And then, like, what we grow together. Yeah. So it's like, no one that, like, is well off as mad about a prenup.
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Yeah, because they're like, I want to protect my stuff. Yeah.
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I mean, if I was marrying a billionaire, like, I'm going to throw a fit, too.
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But, like, that's not the point. Like, it's just weird for them, especially if they, like, you know, do feel like they're, like, kind of in, like, equal places in life, I guess, financially.
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I was like, babe, you're better than me.
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And student loan.
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Imagine if they said yes to us in that state. We'd remember that for the rest of our lives.
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I think she's wholesome. I think she's sweet. I think she's beautiful.
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Yeah. Team Virginia for sure. Definitely rooting for them.
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Maybe I had a dream about the sitcom drama. Let's get to the ones we're not rooting for.
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I need to get offline. So the love triangle. That. With the Molly. Lauren. What's his name? Dave. Dave.
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triangle david or whatever he the thing about was so crazy about watching so much of the pods it's like all of the people who i thought weren't going to win in the love triangle one like i thought he was gonna end up with molly i thought that madison girl was gonna
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And that would be our photos. That would be our wedding picture. So it just wasn't meant to be.
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be on the show like why was she my entire screen and then all of a sudden she's not in mexico or honduras i'm like babe where'd you go like it was your show yeah she's on perfect matches where she is oh my god i'm sure she had character development i honestly at first it was like giving like the madison show i was like oh she said i'm leaving here with something
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Yeah. And if I don't, no one else will.
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Yeah. I honestly thought at first that she was going to go Mason just because of their connection. But then I almost was like thinking I was like, I feel like she chose the one that she felt was harder to get. I feel like Mason was like, I want you.
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It was not meant to be.
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Whereas Alex like challenged her every second.
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Also, she was getting spicy in her pot. She was like, yeah, I love cream pies.
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Right? And I was pickles.
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The cream pie was crazy. What's going on? I want to taste your pickle. I'll always eat your pickle. I was like writing it down.
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I feel so I feel like I'm gonna use that. I feel really, really sad for Meg because I feel like Like kind of like you said, like how Madison was like, I'm leaving here with something. It gave, if I don't leave with my dream man, you're not leaving with my dream man.
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My God. So are you dating? Single? What's T?
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You're not leaving with any man.
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a boyfriend yeah usually that's when you like break up with your other people yeah yeah yeah and then but she continued to talk to him and then he continued to spill that he wanted to be with her after she could have broke it up with him and that would have never came out yeah but she needed that I honestly thought Meg was gonna be like all right perfect I was out of here so I was really happy that she didn't and I felt like it was at the beginning kind of show like the way it was showing her it was more like she was like oh
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Yeah, I'm seeing someone. I feel like... Yeah, I had to retire the dating shows, so there was no more of that for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2-0 or 0-2, and it was time to go home. Wrap it up, babe. You're not finding anyone on TV, okay?
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It's going to be great.
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It's great. I got to leave. I'm getting out of here. But it was almost too much. And then when she came, she was like, actually, I'm not going to take that. I was like, oh, that's who you actually are.
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You're a bad bitch. Do you think if Madison would have just came in and been like, oh, we broke up, and that she would have went in there and been like, am I your second? Or would she have kept that same energy?
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I don't think she would have known if Madison didn't tell her.
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So, OK, why do we think he did not pick Molly, first of all? I have my own thoughts. I think she was too strong and too very much like, if you want me or if you don't, I'm good either way. And I think he wanted someone to kind of, like, crawl for him. Not saying, like, Lauren did, but I feel like she was too, like, sure of herself. Yeah. And it irritated him.
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She was more like, take it or leave it. Yeah. Like, I don't give a fuck.
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Yeah. And Lauren was more like, come on, like, tell me that you want to be with me. Like, I want to be with you. Don't you want to be with me? Maybe that was, like, some sort of, like, an ego thing.
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It's like... Molly still put her cards on the table and she was like, you're the only one I'm seeing.
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Yeah, I feel like that was, like, one of the first of, like, 99 red flags that he had. Like, he would literally walk in the pod and he goes, oh, you're 30 old. And this girl was damn hot.
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He's like, people only want me because I play baseball.
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Just living in a bare, empty apartment. He's a business owner, but he can't afford a single thing in those cupboards. He doesn't know what he does for work. She said, what's your business? You're a business owner, babe.
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Yeah. He pays like $150,000. I have 10 businesses that I'm going to start. Okay, get to him. So then now he's spending his days beating our girl down over rumors.
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He's not here.
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Yeah, I know. He was not. That's a hard realization. But you had fun? We had some fun, yeah. Yeah? How was your, like, perfect match experience overall?
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She wakes up in the morning. She's like, you're shiny. Is there anything you hate about me? She's like, I want to be dewy.
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That new hairstyle.
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When she just had braids. Her hairstyle with her braids. No, they woke up in the morning and they're like this, like in bed together. And he goes, your face is really wet.
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And like with his whole like shindig with like this guy that she like was seeing before. It's like one... And he wouldn't care if he's mad that she was fucking, but not fucking him. That's the whole thing.
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Yeah. Like you thought you were going to come in the pods because he kind of did allude to the fact that he was like, oh, I thought it was just a bunch of us who couldn't find person. And we were all just out here. What's wrong with you? You were the only one that couldn't get any.
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And you're mad that she was not a virgin before y'all met.
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Yeah. Like he literally said, oh, I can't sleep in the same bed with her knowing that she was in the bed with somebody else. That, again, that's such a fucking reach. That is such a cop out. That is such a reach.
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He just wants it out for sure, but he doesn't want to get a bad guy at it or something. Yeah, but trying to tear her down.
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She needs to leave.
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He spent his whole mixer being around to like, you guys had sex? Yes. He was like, we get it. You're not, buddy.
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I mean, I honestly loved perfect match. I don't think you would know because it was like I was just running around the villa crying. Crying? Yeah, crying. But no, I was having fun. No, I was having fun between those tears.
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And everyone's like, no. And he's like. Like, not at all. Not before the show. Not during the show. Not after, clearly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine. We would never again. After that performance.
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No, I do feel bad. I do feel bad because it's like, one, as a woman, you're not even allowed to, like, the world to know that anyone's touched you before a relationship. Like, you're sitting there like.
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yeah like how damaging is that to say and it's just like right now you're retiring she's a teacher one and now you're trying to paint her as a whore because she was dating someone or seeing someone or fucking someone before she came on the show which mind you I'm gonna say everyone was probably the majority of people were doing that because one you don't know that you're getting cast no
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You're in this process. And you don't know what's going to work days before. And so it's like, no one's like, I'm going to apply for Love is Blind, and then now I'm celibate. It doesn't work like that. It's a waiting game.
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You're living your life. And they tell you, live your life. They literally tell you, live your life. Oh, 100%. And then you come on the show, and you're just like, you don't have time to, like, Block everybody. Ghost everybody. You also can't tell everybody. You can't tell anyone. Yeah, you can't say it. You can't say anything. No. And so now she has to come back to the rumors already circulating.
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His sister in a tizzy. Yeah. What has to do with his sister?
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Something weird's going on with the sister.
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There's something weird going on. No, I don't like that.
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She's too involved. Too invested.
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And the way he talks about her too, it's like.
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He said, I hope that I can be with someone like her.
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The sister, it's a little much.
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It's constantly brought up.
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It's like, it's her opinion or bust. He was crying in the lounge about it.
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I have a lot of thoughts about Ben and Sarah. One, I think they're an interesting couple just in general.
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Like, I feel like she's like a ray of sunshine and he's just like...
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Which parts were fun?
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It's too I'm Christian.
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babe they weren't shown that wouldn't be very interesting but it was fun like being really close with all the girls was really fun yeah and there is a little bit of you know that difference of like they're being like more of like a friend vibes than it was in love is blind like it was more like all right who's gonna get the guys like it was like you guys had fighting yeah yeah
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I'm not up on current events.
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That was insane. My sister is gay, blah, blah, blah. And his response is, I know people in that community. Who are that? Who are that? Who are that? I know people who are that.
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He hired her. It's just like the way he says things. And then she's like, so how do you feel about George Floyd and Black Lives Matter? And he's like, who? He goes, I just stay away from that.
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First of all, what a privilege to call anything that and to be so oblivious about the world around you that you can just, I don't talk about it. I don't vote. He didn't vote. That's insane.
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She just wanted him to be like, but do you understand? Do you agree? And he was just like, I stay out of it. I stay out of it. Is he saying that because he truly does or because he lays on the other side or because he's so scared of kissing anyone off?
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Yeah, that's what it is. He knows where he stands. He knows exactly where he stands. Yeah. And I think he did vote.
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What side of the history you are on. Which is fine. Vote for whoever you want to fucking vote for, but then stand strong in it. And then don't sit there and take the back seat and be like, I don't know what's going on in the world. You know what the fuck is going on. You know what's happening in your city. You have to be so far under a rock.
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You don't know what's happening with George Floyd in your city.
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Like, there's no deeper meaning. It's like, if those are your core values, then what are you doing?
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If you know that you're in a situation where you're about to marry a man that might not, that will call your sister that,
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and hide from social issues you're at a dinner table and he's just like I was a little disappointed about how she came out really strong about how she was and her beliefs and then all of a sudden the next time they were in the pod she was like
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But he almost made her, like, soft, I feel like.
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It's, like, crumbled. Like, I like her, too. And I think she's really sweet. They seem really sweet together. But it's, like, I don't think.
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He's just, yeah. Is it surface? It's not going to last. That's not sustainable. Yeah. He's giving plastic.
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yeah well did you hook up with these girls well i don't remember it was four years ago yeah she literally oh and he's like oh no i saw it and she's like you saw it and he's like yeah i saw it earlier but i blocked her but yeah but i blocked her she's like well why yeah he's like uh wait what are they saying that he did he's just like he dated them and ghosted girls and yeah just not a good person yeah manipulation i think was like the big thing yeah he was just like oh i may or may not have ghosted her and i may like
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No, that's literally what it was. For Perfect Match, obviously there was that, but it really did feel like it was more like the people in the house were really, they were really respectful of each other's relationships in the house. So maybe the people outside the house weren't as much, but the people in the house were really respectful. So it was more like friendship vibes were formed.
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No. Basically, Sarah's just trying to get to the bottom of it. Like, why did you ghost her? Why are these girls online crying? And he's like, don't remember.
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All right, y'all. So let's play a quick little game. So on our season, it was a hot topic that Chelsea said that she looked like or people think she looks like Megan Fox. But she does. We see it.
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She's my Megan Fox.
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I'm going to tell my kids that this is Megan Fox. No. So let's play a game. And let's go through season eight cast and see what celebrities they look like. Okay. Done.
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I just feel like I should know.
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Joey is giving Jim Carrey.
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Maybe his vibe is giving Jim Carrey.
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Does it count that Monica said that he looks like Tarzan?
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Oh, Tarzan. I can see that.
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Okay, Molly? She looks like that comedian. The one comedian I know with the red hair.
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I don't know her name. Who is that comedian with the red hair? She's like older. Reba. next ben is giving i don't know he just gives ai bot to me so i got nothing yeah like we character we character sims like you pick it up yeah yeah ben's giving yeah somebody's controlling him yeah robotic
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She's giving... She reminds me of some cute little coastal Cali surfer girl.
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Wait, he looks like Zac Efron's brother. Yes!
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Oh my god! Now, let's get into something a little more awkward. Let's talk cringiest dating stories.
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Yeah. Oh, girl. I know you got a plethora. This show ain't long enough. You're block on Raya.
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Who are you still friends with?
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I mean, there's so many. One thing about me, I'm not going to let myself suffer. So if I have to talk the whole time, I'm going to talk the whole time. I'm crying. Like, if I have to make it fun, if I'm talking to myself, like, going back and forth, I will. I don't have, like, a ton of, like, really... Terrible dating stories. I mean, I've dated some terrible people, but not that terrible stories.
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um i'm really close with taloo i saw her like literally last week that's my girl yeah yeah no i'm obsessed with her she just moved here too as well so i'll have to hang out she's so cute and then i saw jess like two weeks ago hey jess hey jess yes those are probably my two i love how this world like brings us together like now we're all like mutuals like we're all like literally from different parts of the nation in the country and then we're all just like oh and i hung out with taloo and i'm like oh
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We're going to chop it up and get into some tea that we haven't really been able to discuss. So excited to talk to her. And then later we got my home girl, Lara from my season, season six. And later y'all, we're getting the tea on season eight of Love is Blind. This is going to be a place where we're learning, we're loving, we're laughing, we're crying. This is a journey for all of us.
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No, that's cringe.
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So long story short, you never saw him again.
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And no explanation. No explanation for the baby tea.
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See, I didn't even buy you a drink tonight.
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You're like, keep it big. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, buy another shirt.
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All right, y'all. So reality TV definitely changes us in the best ways and some of the worst ways. Like, what do you know now that maybe you wish you knew then or that you didn't know then?
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I think for me, it's like just have faith in the process and realize that like everything happens for a reason. Like, I don't know how I've gotten this far, like flying by the seat of my pants. But it's like everything does just work out if you let it and like let, you know, the universe take over and like trust in yourself to like pull through and like be successful and be happy.
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I feel like it really just comes. Because when you're in it, it's hard to see. Yeah. And when you're in it, it's hard to see progress and stuff. It's like. I look back and I'm like, my life was so different a few years ago. But like yesterday, my life, I was like still chilling on the couch.
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Like it's like sometimes you just had to realize like it really does just work out. You have to have faith in that.
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Yeah. I kind of, I think we can all have that, like, sentiment because life in the trenches after reality.
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In the trenches. Dude, I was below ground. I was six feet under. You were underground. I was. If I crawled out, we all can't. Didn't you hide for a little while? I was like, yeah, I was in like the crack of Washington.
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I'm crying. It's like where in the world is Carmen Sandie? This has been amazing.
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I love the fact that you guys made time to come join me on What's the Reality. You guys are so awesome. And I love that we're thriving and no one can stop us. World travelers, hard workers. So thank you all for showing up. Of course. So proud of you. Thank you. Thank you. You guys, I want to thank you. Thank you. Thank you so very much for joining me on my very first episode of What's the Reality.
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Me too. You know, it's just funny how it all just brings us all together. I love that.
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Y'all, we are in for a ride. This is just the beginning. So I want to invite you to join me every single Wednesday where we can chat, laugh, kiki with some of your favorite, favorite reality stars. Make sure you guys follow us on all platforms at What's the Reality Pod. Subscribe on YouTube and I'll see y'all there.
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Do you still talk to Kaz at all?
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Oh my God. No, dude. I couldn't even imagine. I mean, I literally, I told him and like, excuse like my like French, but I was like, you're dead to me. Like you're a little dead to me, like after the show. And then obviously time and past and like you like move on and stuff.
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And then we like kind of became like somewhat friends because him and his brother like came up like that, like once the show was airing.
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and it was like fine he literally like stayed like at our place like one night not me but he stayed he stayed like in a guest room yeah and it was like totally fine and then obviously we didn't continue chatting or whatever I think he had like a girlfriend or something I'm not really sure not my business don't care um and then he randomly like unfollowed me like untagged like our like collab photos and stuff and I was like not you and your one-sided beef
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He blocked me. Why do you keep getting blocked? I'm starting to think it's you. I think that's a fair assumption, but it's not. Like, I haven't done anything to any of these people. Not you getting blocked. Like, I'm not saying anything. I'm not doing anything weird. Like, yeah, I thought it was so weird. I was like, I thought we were fine, and then all of a sudden it's, like, blocked.
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I think, like, sometimes, like, with things like that, maybe it's, like, their new relationship or something, like, wants them to just, like, have, like, that sort of, like, tie cut.
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Tie cut, yeah. Yeah. Which makes sense. Yeah.
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I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Do you?
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Doesn't affect my life, but no, I haven't heard from him.
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So how are you like different now, like compared to your past relationships and how are you bringing a new Micah into your new?
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Yeah. I mean, I think with each relationship, it's like you learn and you like become the person that you're going to be in like the next relationship. And I think like.
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in love is blind it's like obviously like I had a lot of like immaturity and like those things so it is just like a factor of like growing up and like having those life experiences but it's like I think I've always like in the past put a lot of emphasis on like choosing the people that like choose me.
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And it's like, Oh, like they really want me. Like they, like they show up for me. Like I want, you know, like, Oh yeah, I guess I want them back. But I think now it's like making sure that you found someone that you want to like invest your time in. And then if it, if it meets, then it meets.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I always was like, I feel like I'm going to have to settle for a guy that like just wants me. And I'm like, Oh, Okay.
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But, like, and then when you find, like, someone that's like, wait, I like you and you like me back.
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Like, you don't have to settle for just somebody just because.
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And, like, I don't know. Love is Blind will kind of make you feel like, do I have to just do this because I'm committed? Like, now I'm engaged. I have to go through this whole process.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
That's the thing about Love is Blind. It's, like, there's not really, like, a backing out, like, culture. Like, it really is, like, looked down upon. Like, someone's like, oh, like, I changed my mind. Then people are like... It's because you thought they were ugly. Right. And it's like, well, I mean, like, I think you're allowed to, like, you should be allowed to, like, change your mind.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Or maybe you just didn't want to marry me, yeah. Or, like, what if you just, like, don't see, like, that marriage when it's, like, the full circle comes together, whether it's, like, family or, like, just live, like, anything.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
There's so many pieces. There's so many factors. Yeah. But, like, it'll be like, oh. Because you're ugly. Looks are too important. Ugly. Yeah. Literally. And I feel like people are scared. He didn't have enough money. Yeah, for sure. Now I'm a bull digger. Yeah.
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Or now it's just the- I feel like people are scared and people like are so scared. I think now that's like where another contrast comes in between like-
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our seasons and like past seasons and like maybe ones moving forward is like people are so worried about like being canceled or like looking bad it's like you don't know people are showing up as like their full authentic selves or saying everything that they would like to say without judgment yeah it is different it's so different I feel like we were so like guards down
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And speaking of journey, I kind of feel like I left you guys on a little bit of a cliffhanger on my life and what's been going on. I got quite... Quiet after my show aired, but I do want to update you guys. Your girl is good. She's happy. She's thriving. She's healed. I did a lot of soul searching, a lot of just finding myself in that past year.
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oh yeah so vulnerable no and now i'm just looking i'm like yeah i feel their pain like um season seven was was like tough like tough to watch like seven wait which one that was dc
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Oh, yeah. Season seven and stuff.
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Like, I felt like they were pretty vulnerable.
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Obviously, like, the whole Ashley and Tyler thing.
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Dude, that sucked. I feel like it sucks from so many different angles.
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It was, like, it sucks for, like, everyone involved and, like, including them.
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Because, like, I can only imagine, like, how hard that scrutiny is. It's, like...
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yeah like you could know that you did something wrong and you can be in the wrong but there's an extra layer of like how aggressive like fans and like stuff can be and like how hard that can be on like your head yeah you think that it's just like it's just me and you against the world but like two people against the world it's like it's a losing battle every single time and you can't just like when you're in the public eye you can't just go into a shell and be like we're just gonna take care of our marriage because yeah you go online and everybody's like oh you're so stupid and you're this and you're that and it's just like
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You guys, what's up? It's me, Amber Desiree. But if you watch Love is Blind Season 6, you probably know me as AD. Hello and welcome to my brand new podcast called What's the Reality? Y'all, I am so, so, so excited to invite you here where all I'm going to talk about is love. relationships, pop culture. Today I have Micah from Love is Blind season four.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
it gets and you can say like as many times as you want i think we've both kind of been in these positions where it's like you can be like oh i don't care what people think or like i'm but it's like as a human it's like completely natural to feel really bummed or like discouraged pressure like when people aren't like giving you the validation that like you are who you think you are which is like a good person like you know funny charismatic even like looks wise like yeah beautiful it's like you know that really gets into like your head whether you want it to or not
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That's so true. And then it's just like you're you're spending so much time. You can't even focus on your relationship because you're battling. Yes. Like you said, yes, I am pretty. Yes, I am smart. Yes, I actually have a lot of other shit going for me. But now I have to spend the rest of my days defending a choice that I made. Right. For people that I don't even know.
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And the way people don't forget.
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They don't forget.
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No, like I. Oh, my God. I remember like something that was like so frustrating for me. I remember. Like, on my season, like, people were like, oh, like, she's, like, so stupid. Or, like, she doesn't know what she's doing with her life. Or, like, because she's a dumb blonde. She's a mess. Babe, I was 10, even 12 years younger than you people. I'm the only person who owns a home here.
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Like, I'm sorry. Like, but it's, like, you know, it's, like, they put that into the world. And it's, like, you feel like you're spending the rest of your time trying to, like, fight that down. Literally battling allegations your whole, like, yeah.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
No, I feel that. I was saying earlier that I've just been labeled, like, the red flag chaser. And I'm, like...
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Like, I'm not trying.
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I'm not trying.
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No, I literally am just, like, I've been fighting those allegations. And I feel like it doesn't matter. Like, I could marry Jesus and he'd be like, wow, she's never going to learn. Yeah. It doesn't matter who I date. Oh, 100%. Everyone I date moving forward will be considered a red flag. Oh, yeah.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
And you can just find anyone that will, like, think whatever. Like, there's always going to be someone that has that, like, one insane opinion and, like,
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somehow they'll be like the top comment but then it's like let me come into your house and film your relationship and film your day-to-day all right let's get a little fun and get into the group chat things that we probably wouldn't say out loud but like you text your homegirls while you're sitting on the couch okay okay so blake lively and justin baldoni what's your hot take are you team blake
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A hot take, I think as of now, I'm team Justin Baldoni. I think just because of the information, but it's like there's so much information that's coming out and like there has to be more. So it's like, I don't want to die on either hill.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Yeah. I definitely don't want to die on any hill. Yeah, I don't want to die on any hill. I don't care that much.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Yeah, I don't know. I don't care that much. But I also think like the public is running with it so hard because like they love to see someone in power or someone... that they used to look up to fall. Like, I feel like people love to watch, like, someone really great fall. And so they're all, like, coming in, like, we knew she was mean. Like, this lady's always been a bitch.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
It's like all the montages of her. Yeah, yeah. And it's, like, coming out of the woodwork. It's like, look at this footage. It's like, okay, sit down. But, yeah, I don't know.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
But it doesn't look good. Yeah.
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It does not look good.
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Not for her at all.
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No, it looks really bad.
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No, and then it's like, okay, I think the montages are, in my opinion, supporting evidence against her.
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
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Like, she just doesn't come off as a nice, genuine person. That's, I think that's true. And I've never watched any of her shows, so I don't have a bias either way. Oh, so you're not like a gossip girl, like... You are?
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Asking myself the tough questions and watching yourself get left at the altar is not something that I would wish on my worst enemy. But you live and you learn. And I'm happy. Speaking of happy, I am dating. I'm very much in love. Can't say too much about it, y'all. But when I can, I promise you guys will be the first ones to hear. But just be happy for your girl. So let's just get into it.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I'm really into Gossip Girl.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
That's your girl.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I used to, like, really love her. I think that, like, the sparkle's gone, though. Like, the sparkle's definitely gone now. But I definitely had a sparkle for, like, Lively.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Yeah. Oh, for sure. And she dragged her man into it, so now he's got a battle.
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I know, but I'm kind of thinking that maybe her man was, like, a part of it, though. Like, some of the things I've seen, it's, like, it kind of does feel like there could be some evidence for, like, him, like, kind of making a scene and maybe being, like, controlling or, like...
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I saw something and it was like, Blake, babe, the only way out of this is to divorce your husband, blame it all on him, and go. I was like, why would I do that?
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Just not leave him for dead. That's the only option. It wasn't me. It was him. Gotta go. Imagine. Gotta blast. Gotta blast. And he'd be like, what the fuck?
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
No, I feel bad. You know what? I felt the worst about the whole situation was when all the photos came out of Justin and his family and friends in the basement.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
That was so sad. That was really bad. It was like his movie. The basement, like, okay. That's so sad. That really is sad.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
And they're just like... I remember, yeah.
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yeah they're like this they're like hurry someone get a pic oh it's like his big moment that is really sad um I remember when it like first came out that like Blake and Justin they were all or sorry Blake and like all the cast they were like oh my god like Justin Baldoni must be terrible like no one wants to take pictures with him I'm like babe like he's locked up yeah he can't he's downstairs family
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Well, we'll see how this all plays out. I'm excited to see. I want justice for whoever deserves the justice. Y'all, Lara is here in the building. My LIB season six sister. I'm shook right now.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
Surprise and welcome. I'm so excited for you. Thank you. And for us.
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The PODcast is Officially Open with Love is Blind's Micah and Laura
I'm happy that you're here. Thank you for carving out a little moment. Of course. So update me. What's new?
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Pause. Because I think that was the last time I saw you was the first time I met him.
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Surviving Temptation Island with Alexa and Lino and Love is Blind ASMR with Yahné Coleman.
I'm not proud of this.
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Surviving Temptation Island with Alexa and Lino and Love is Blind ASMR with Yahné Coleman.
It's great. Yes!
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Surviving Temptation Island with Alexa and Lino and Love is Blind ASMR with Yahné Coleman.
Okay.
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Surviving Temptation Island with Alexa and Lino and Love is Blind ASMR with Yahné Coleman.
Right.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I'm from Wilmette, which is right next to it. Oh, no way. Yeah.
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All my cousins live there. Evanston.
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Why do we know Evanston? Northwestern. Where you were born?
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Do I know a 99-year-old? Dick Van Dyke. Nice.
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I was born in Evanston. What high school did you go to? Newtrier.
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Oh, no. My dad went to Evanston Township.
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Yes. We played them in soccer. They're rivals. Rivals.
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You might have played his dad in soccer. Did you guys know each other? I think.
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He was class of 73. Okay. I was like a couple years after that. For sure. Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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So one of my favorite things about the Nectar House was usually when there's a host of one of those shows, they only pop in to do their thing and then they leave. There were videos where they're all partying at night. And then it's, like, a top-down thing, and it's just not, like, hanging out on the couch.
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Oh, yeah. No, that was my thing. I was like, can I just be, like, in the background sitting by myself? Just, like, watch. Because they were all doing these, like, fun things, and I was just, like, sitting 20 feet away.
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I think he's 98. You're the first guest to ever get it on his first try.
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That's awesome. Wait, this is Maya. Also, did you say your real name was Cam?
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No, it's not a secret. um a couple guys peeping what are you doing i was just trying to show you have like a downloaded photo of her yeah it's in her secret folder my uh my colon is this like a prank are we no it's not a prank no it's not a prank it's just it's just a deep memory that i got of someone maybe saying they were related why are there so many guys poking their head in our window
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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It's like a revolving door of old men.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I'm just going to show you later because it won't even pull up.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Was there ever a worry that, like, what happened if one of the girls on the show liked you?
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Oh, man, you should have seen the extended cuts. It was every single day, every single minute, every single day.
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That's what happened if I went on there.
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Yeah, we got to get this guy on the show.
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I think both of you guys should apply. Yeah, I'm done.
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But, no, it was very immediately that was not an issue. So it was okay. What's your love life going on? What's going on?
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Where do I start? Where do I fucking start?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Are you like a hopeless romantic type of guy? Or are you like a different girl every minute?
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Thank you. And the age especially. Very funny name. It's such a funny name.
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No, I'm like a numb to it all and devoid of anything.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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So you can't express your emotions. You're too afraid to be vulnerable.
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Yeah, I get. I feel like, I don't know. But you recently got into talking to girls. You did? You heard about it? I talked to, well, not really. You did. You talked to a girl. I physically talked to a girl this weekend. Working on that.
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I was just talking to my friend Garrett. He's a fan of you guys. He said you guys were sick. He was telling me when he's on dates with girls, sometimes he'll just get kind of nervous if the conversation stalls. He'll be like, you want to see how many hot dogs I can fit in my mouth? Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Maybe that's why they'll be like not really and he'll just have like 14 It's pretty sick No, like they're eating food or something they were at Dave & Buster's I would not want to see that that would give me the biggest heck He said they were at Dave & Buster's once he was like you wanna see how fast I could eat this Okay, and she's like sounds awesome.
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Yeah, when I was 14, my parents brought me on vacation to LA. You checked in? It was in the hotel of our lobby. I'm not even kidding. It was in the hotel of our lobby. And my dad was like, holy shit.
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He's like sure and then he just ate the whole pizza That was pretty sick
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Now that's what I call a big score. Let's get back into the episode. I got to start going on more dates, I think. You got to just get on Hinge. Hinge is the move.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I've heard people say that. I just don't ever match with anyone. I find that impossible to believe. Well, you also don't like him.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Yeah, remember he said he doesn't swipe, he just looks at his.
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He waits for people to like him, and then he goes through those ones. You gotta put yourself out there. I don't even go through a lot of them. You have to face vulnerability. Yeah, I know.
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Or maybe you just don't want to, which is also fine.
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What about that? But it feels like you want to.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I don't want to force it, though. I don't want a girlfriend. Do you want a wife?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Remember you said you wanted to get married this year?
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Yeah, I'm going to get married.
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Well, I'm working on that. We still have a lot of months left.
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I feel like you're behind several years.
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that's dick van the van and his name is really holding shit it's holding together you know you're old when like the the google notes of when you google yourself is are you still alive yeah that's the oh yeah all right we have a very special guest today i would say one of our bigger gets we have our good friend nut is that true Of course it is. Of course, man.
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You have several years left. I don't think I'm in a rush. I don't want to find a girlfriend really soon.
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You have to find a wife this year.
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It has to be the right person. I do want to get married this year, though, for sure.
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okay oh we should arrange maybe like a green card i would love to green card marry someone who needs it you see 90 day fiance no my cousin was on 90 no way yeah not as the person he was the son of the dad but we oh like your uncle yeah well like just like just distant cousin so i've never met the uncle but you met the cousin i've met the cousin and his mom but like they split up so i never met the dad
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And we were watching 90 Day Fiance. And then the kid is just in the background. And it didn't... I think it was like a... So your cousin that you met once was an extra in 90 Day Fiance? He was an extra. He was like in the back. It was shocking. Imagine being like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that Lucian? Is that his name? Yeah. That's a cool name. That's pretty badass. He was an interesting cat.
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Oh, it's like the green card marriage dating show.
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Well, that's like what it is, isn't it?
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Well, no, it's like a guy who meets like a Russian girl online and she comes to America and they have like 90 days to get married. Got it. That's the show I'm thinking of, right?
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I believe so. What's the guy on 90 Day Fiancé that doesn't have a neck? Oh, Big Ed? Yeah, can you call Big Ed? His girlfriend fucking hates him.
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I mean, he is like awful. He became a joke because he has no neck, but he was like awful.
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Wait, can you look up a picture of him? What happened to his neck over time?
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Can you look up the picture of him? He wore like a button-up shirt once.
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Well, he has no neck, so it was like, yeah.
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Oh, I thought you meant that was the cause of it.
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His stylist has got to be like, dude, no more turtle necks. Why would you button it up all the way? They just call it turtle.
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yeah because there's no neck what did you get so excited about before you were like oh i was saying we should we should like set will up we should arrange yeah arrange girlfriend i don't have enough friends i would love to
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don't have enough friends well let's talk about let's like a real life dating profile right now yeah like in conversation what are your interests and what would you present yourself as to a pool of women uh there's a pool we actually just the other day we tried to do like a role play at the bar of what we would say none of us knew like what we would say here let's show them well not like not like a pool full of women well no like pretend i don't love taking my shirt off
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you're making a dating profile right now or you probably have one like what is your what's like your bio say um it's i actually have i actually have the thing about the washing machine into the dryer frog in bed in there frog in bed frog on my bed i think it's his biggest fear and i put frog in bed that's what he's that's your biggest fear
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I don't know it happened to me once it was fucking horrible there was a problem he doesn't take it seriously he's you're afraid to be vulnerable I'm afraid to be vulnerable and I mask it with humor all right last episode we tried we were at the I played the girl and Will tried to approach me were you a pretty girl I'm the hottest girl you've ever seen Busty can we show him with Busty with Busty that's it can we show him how it's done I'll be the girl you approach me at the bar sure
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This is just pickup lines. This is just another perverse way of making... No, no, no.
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I don't mean to be rude, but you are one of the bustiest women I've ever seen in my life.
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Lauren, would that work? How's it going? My name is Will. Dude, nice to meet you. Thank you so much. I have been busty for years and no one has said anything. For years? Years. How old are you? 14. Okay. I'm sorry. Oh, what? How did I get in this bar?
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I don't know what to say. My name is Will.
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My name is Will from the podcast.
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Well, now I don't believe you. Why are there two of you? All right, so that's what I'm going to do. That's just casual role playing. So I will just do that then. Yeah, so think about something like that. All right, so I'll just do that. Yeah.
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Do you have like hot guy pictures of you? Or are they like funny pictures? They're, like, normal, I think. That's sick. You got a normal-ass picture?
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Yeah. We got to go one way or the other. You got to... Maybe we take a bunch of... Will's getting in really good shape. Now that your abs are shown, maybe we... You got abs shown? Yeah. I do not have abs showing. He's got abs showing, and his chest hair is coming in.
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Chest hair is coming in a little bit. You got one? I got, like, seven or eight now.
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I got... I have no chest hair.
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Really? Yeah, I got, like, a little...
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That can't be. You guys are just, like, hogging me right now.
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Oh, you have way more than me. I genuinely, like, I have, like, four. Like, single four hairs.
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I got hair of, like, other... I'm 26.
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You're 24? It's like a Lord of the Flies podcast. I'm the oldest person here?
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Also, yeah, I drive a Subaru because I care about the environment.
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You guys are so much more professional than me.
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I don't think so. I don't think so. I think we're all matching each other's lives.
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I'm hammered. right now wait okay it's 9 30 you asked him if you had any hot guy what is a hot guy photo and tail to you like i mean i would i see if a guy is posting a mirror selfie that is like immediately like i was gonna say as well no i don't do that good i would as women you probably know better
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Other than LeBron, you're probably top. You looked LeBron on the video? Yeah. Briefly. Yeah, we did. Actually? Yeah.
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yeah what is like what's the ideal photo like not that you speak for all women or whatever but it couldn't be crotch shot right there's no way it's crotch shot i think i mean i think just can you put naked photos on your hinge i can but i don't know i feel like you i feel like you have to make it look like you're not trying what about the guy's holding up like a big fish that he caught
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What about two big fish? But he wasn't trying to get them.
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What about the fish caught him? I don't care about a fish. Maybe if he's holding a shark. What if he's holding something that's technically a mammal, but it lives in the sea? Yeah. It's a platypus. What if he's holding up a dead dog or something? I saw a dead squirrel on the way in here. Oh, that's so sad. Someone covered it up with a little blanket of cardboard. Oh, good.
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How did you know it was a dead squirrel, then? Because it had flies on it. I saw him yesterday. It was either sound asleep or dead. Did you watch the person go put the thing on them? No, I walked past a lifeless squirrel on the sidewalk. I understand. Unless he died and in his last grasp for air, he pulled up the covers. No, I'm trying to figure out how you knew there was cardboard on it.
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No, he was here in prison. He was right here. He sat right where you're sitting. You're hogging me right now.
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Or how do you know it was him under the cardboard?
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Part of the squirrel was showing. Jack, by the way, I saw him yesterday. I thought you said it was covered up.
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It was there for two days. Yeah. I thought maybe you approached like a funeral. Like you saw him get covered up. A funeral for, oh. A squirrel funeral. Yeah. It's an idea. They're all in tuxes. Yeah. Or something. Yes.
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In Texas? They have squirrels?
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They're all in Texas. No way. They're all in Texas. It's like resting. I'm trying to come up with a pun. Acorn.
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you know who's a squirrel sandy cheeks yeah yes she's funny she's all time dude yeah i've never seen and off the show she's like chill in real life too is she really i've heard yeah i've heard good things about that cast in general i think they meshed well oh i've heard bob and if he thinks about mr crack in real life no way you know that or the voice actors oh what do you mean the person who voices spongebob and the person who voices karen are married in real life he speaks for himself
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You're hogging me, man. Quit hogging me. We're hogging you. Nut is a comedian. Nut is a host of some of my favorite shows. I don't know if Will's gotten to know him.
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All right, should we road map it up?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Road map. All right, do you want to do our road map? I don't know what that is. No, this is when we tell people what segments we're going to do today.
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Oh, so you're just, okay. So we started a new podcast now.
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This is sick. Squirrels, not, yeah, I didn't even think of that.
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People, yeah. Do your mind go so fast, right? That seems pretty fast, actually.
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I don't think that's that fast. A mile a minute? I couldn't walk that fast. 60 miles an hour.
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My car goes zero to 60 sometimes.
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At Hershey Park, they have the Storm Runner.
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Yeah, and it went from zero to 70 miles an hour in three seconds because they used magnetic. They had reverse magnets. Your mind is crazy. They would flip over, and the magnets would push against each other, and that's what makes it go. That's why that Japanese train that can go Mach 1, it's never touching the rail. It's hovering. It's hovering.
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dude you've you're vaping now i know i gotta vape today that's sick i know it felt and you want to let me hit it it felt weird that was you're such a good guy it uh i texted lauren like i gotta vape and she goes you made my day lauren lauren you're an alcoholic my mom listens no i'm not oh but if your mom wasn't listening are you an alcoholic
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I walked in on Lauren doing chili willies with buzz balls on her desk. What's chili willies? You've never done a chili willy? Have you done a chili willy?
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I swear to God, I watched all of Nectar House. I watched all of the swiping ones. That's my jam.
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No. This is a real thing. You've never done chili willy? No. I've only done it once. It's a mistake you only make once. First ever college party I was at, I was trying to be cool. One of the older guys was like, yo, we're all doing chili willies in the kitchen. I was like, I don't know what that is, but I would like to make friends.
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And so we went in and you snort vodka off the counter and it just hurts. I don't even think it does. That's awful. It's awful. But I watched Lauren do that with buzz balls on her desk while she was editing the other day. That's sick. Wait, what college did you go to? I went to the Harvard of the South. And Will went to the Harvard of Boston. You went to Harvard?
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I went to Boston College. My dad went to law school there. At BC? Yes. Your dad's the man.
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He's, yeah. That guy gets cooler by the minute. Yeah.
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He said he saw a Larry Bird game there. Oh, really? Yes. That's pretty cool.
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I think he might have just gone to a Celtics. He went to one Celtics game.
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I'm from Phoenix. I went to ASU. The Harvard of Tempe.
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My cousin Evan goes there. He's graduating.
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You're such a good guy. I've never seen any of them.
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Willie. Your last name is Lee? Wait, what's your last name? Dinellon.
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Yeah. That's a sick last name.
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It's kind of fun. It's like melon.
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It's like the melon. Will the melon. It rhymes with the melon. That's sick. That's your wrestler name. The melon. The melon Dinellon. Will the melon Dinellon. All right. What's your last name? God, I loved that. Craft.
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See, I respect that. I believe him. Why do you not believe me? No, I believe him. I believe both of you. If you knew me, it's right up my alley. He's obsessed with Temptation Island right now. I love Temptation Island. We do a segment each episode where we pitch an idea. A business idea. I think he probably told you about this.
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Oh, that's normal. Like mac and cheese, but with two Fs.
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Oh, you guys didn't invent the cheese?
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No. They changed their last name when they came to America.
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They don't ever call you Cece?
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Yeah. Why? It's Kraft of the K. Yes. Fuck. I went to school with a kid who had the last name Diesel, and we were joking around that his family invented diesel fuel. And he was like, no, they didn't. No, they did. They didn't. They did do it.
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Oh, fuck that kid. No, he's the nicest kid in the world. Of course he's the nicest kid. His grandpa invented diesel. What do you mean? Like, of course.
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I would be so cool. You can focus more time on being a good guy if that's your only worry. My grandpa invented unleaded and he is not doing well. Will unleaded.
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You care about the lesbians, dude. That's what everyone says.
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Whoa. That would be sick. That would be a cool name.
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I'm Will 87. My grandpa invented 87 octane fuel.
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Can you change your name to like numbers? You can do whatever you want.
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No way. Elon Musk have a kid that's like X. It's X Ash Archon 12.
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well that's like shut up yeah it's like shut up bitch if his name was like the number nine I would think that was cool if it's nerd shit it's like shut up yeah it's like you want to know how old that kid is now or if they have photos yeah look how it's fucking spelled too it's like a letter that doesn't exist like an a and e oh they have three wait what they have there are three kids with that name I'm not your name shouldn't be like a fucking equation no that actually just made me mad I'm mad now
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You have to solve for X to find it. That's his kid?
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Oh, he's cute. He's not that cute. He's kind of cute.
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He looks like Macaulay Culkin. No, he doesn't. You know Macaulay Culkin's married to Brenda Song?
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Yeah, and they're happily married.
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All right. We have a beautiful episode for you guys today. We're going to hear your pitches followed by our pitches. Then we're going to do everyone's favorite segment. Not say it with me. Teach me something. Followed by this guy rocks. This guy rocks. This guy rocks. This guy rocks today. And then we are going to do... Am I still doing this? We are going to do...
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Pick up lines that don't exist, followed by dating shows that don't exist. Lauren, let's get... Oh, and then we're going to finish with my song of the week. Are you singing? No, I made this playlist, and we have like 500 playmates that have subscribed to it.
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No, it's what we call our listeners. Oh. And hey, if you're missing the permitting division of the building department... Don't get too sad because for our 100th episode, Bonanza, she's coming back.
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Does she like the show Bonanza? My grandma watches that still.
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My grandma loved Banana. What's Bonanza?
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It was like a TV show. Oh, really? It was like a Western from like the 40s or 50s.
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My grandma was John Wayne. I've heard of him.
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yeah my grandma was obsessed with uh they whenever she cracked a banana the dogs would run into the kitchen and so she would every time a new person would come over she would show them it but then the banana no like that like the dogs would run look at this show them that like when she cracked it they would run in and then we were like you gotta you gotta limit it to like a couple times a week because like i don't know how much how many bananas are good for golden retrievers i can eat bananas
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I think it's just, like, too much of it. Like, if you had, like, five bananas. They're going to start climbing trees. Oh.
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She was eating really green bananas for it to be, like, crunching, I feel like. Crunking.
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For it to be, like, cracking like that.
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All right, Lauren, let's hear a pitch. All right, so where are the sharks? You get to pick any shark you want. Which shark? Oh, wait. I'm Randy. Paula. That's not a shark.
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Oh, we're doing different? You can be any judge you want. What's her name? Barb Babs.
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Yeah. It's a funny last name.
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And she is and she's a strong woman.
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They're an unrepresented group.
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Not really physically, though, probably.
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I could beat her. I could take her. Yeah. I could take her.
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How many Barbara Cochran's before you'd be, like, overwhelmed? Oh, my God. What do you mean? One. In, like, a hand-to-hand combat situation.
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Oh, I could. I feel like I, respectfully, like, 20.
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pitched cousin island i want to make it like a month apart he pitched the same thing that's about like will they won't they fuck their cousin no i feel like they would probably just do it it's no he's he's underselling this it's a hundred just smoking hot singles but here's the catch each person has one distant cousin in the mix how distant you want them to fuck yeah oh that is that even an that's what i'm saying it's like it's not it's not
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I think I could take unlimited. As long as they're not, like, if they're coming one by one.
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They come in every 15 seconds. Oh, done. 100 seconds.
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yeah i feel like i don't know i don't exercise really okay i'm not will will you know they're coming in every 15 seconds and every 12th one has a katana do i feel bad oh they have a sword one at one every one well she's like older i feel like i could just go like that and she would drop it yeah i don't think i don't think any amount of them could kill me if they come in 15 i would feel bad i would have to they would have to give me a lot of money yeah
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You have to... Okay, well, then I don't care that. If it's like the world is done, I feel like I would just let it happen.
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No, no, no. I don't want to kill unlimited Barbara Corcoran. If she survives, then Shark Tank is done because there's like a contractual thing.
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And I need it to end so badly?
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No, no, you need to keep going.
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Because... All right, all right, all right. She's hijacking... All of them are in hockey helmets. The planes? She's hijacking the planes? All of the Barbara Cochran's are in bike helmets, but you have a hockey stick.
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How shocked would you be if 9-11 happened again and one of the terrorists was Barbara from Shark Tank?
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It was just a ton of terrorists and then also Barbara Cochran.
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This is like they put up the list of the guys. I would really... I would be mad.
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Here's a question, and respectfully, because I want to give you guys the time to do your things. If the same thing that happened on 9-11 happened again, but on a different day, would you call it 5-12? Oh, you almost got my birthday.
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Oh, what's your birthday? 5-13. No way. You got my birthday. I don't know. That's a good question.
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Or would you call it 9-11 too?
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I think 9-11 rolls off the tongue better than 5-12. They picked a great date to do it. You were born on 9-11. It is my birthday. Happy birthday. Thank you. On that day? On 9-11. The year before.
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oh but it's always funny to me it's the worst birthday because it's the only tragedy that is just like the date no everyone's talking about it on your birthday every time it's like what's your birthday all the tweets are like this is the worst and you're like 25 yeah hell yeah did they do it because it's 9-1-1 like no
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no what was the significance of it was just a good day it was a sunny day it was a really yeah the weather was it actually was you know what yeah you know what i think i actually it's a good day today you guys let's do it i don't know i mean i wasn't there so well i was alive but i wasn't you know it's crazy i was in new york with my family like four days before that really but i didn't see i didn't know anything i wasn't involved well i was three
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Anyways, we can do the show. Sorry. I'm not in charge. I'm just off of this Libby Dunn drink.
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my sister's a lesbian my sister too they should hang out that would be well she lives in spain oh oh i'm going to spain like a week wait i should meet your lesbian sister that would be sick she she is dating a spanish pop star pop star is a big word she's in like you know the band yes okay not them they're like the the spanish version of heim okay and they make like lesbian pop music Nice.
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I'm off that cotton candy. Isn't it good?
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It tastes just like Libby Dunn's cotton candy.
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She makes the best cotton candy.
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Okay, pitch submissions. First one is from Jenny Plick.
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Oh, wait, real question real quick. So they're doing the same things that you told me to do? Yeah. And you told them before also? Yeah. These are our listeners. These are listeners.
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Are there, like, a lot of them?
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We just do two. Oh, like, in our bank? Just generally? Are you guys, like, doing good? Yeah. Yeah.
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how many do you think there we've probably gotten about a thousand over a thousand what submissions more than that okay there's a lot it like stresses me out but when you get chosen it's it's special and thank you guys all for continue to send them in i'm sorry i get overwhelmed by the messages but but that's okay but it's okay lauren gets overwhelmed pretty easy that's why she resorts to the bottle
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gotcha yeah do you want to talk about it more maybe later okay but thank you okay jenny says hi bacon egg and cheese bacon egg oh wait you can be one don't be egg or cheese oh she's in all three of us yeah wait i'll be the bacon oh you can be the bacon oh there's my pickup line are you you want to be the bacon because i want to bring you home
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Well, I don't think I would do it if I found out. Do they know each other?
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what bring home the bacon oh that's why they give you that's why they pay you if a girl if you said that to a girl at a crowded bar i think you would get she would be like what did you say mace are you the bacon because i want to bring you home what did you say like bring home the bacon it's so loud in here let's get out of here um she says what is the worst part about needing to use the bathroom or wanting to buy food in a crowded venue
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Oh, that's two different things. Yeah, waiting in line.
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Okay, well, yeah. Rushing. The long lines, especially for the gals. My solution is the digital line. Check into the app slash booth at the venue and take a number ticket. This ticket will be your place in line and you will get a text or a notification when your number is next.
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You don't know until you hook up with them. And if you hook up with them, you're both off the island. It's like the moment you enter, it's like... Damn it! All the lights go red. My towel, I got out of the dryer this morning. I got a new towel out of the dryer this morning. Just completely changed into something. Yeah, but I was pretty stoked about that. It was kind of warm still.
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Instead of aimlessly waiting in line and wasting 20 minutes for the bathroom at a concert or Chickies and Pete's at the ballpark.
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You can wait in your seat and miss way less. This can also be useful at the bar with only one single stall bathroom or at Disney waiting for a ride. Love you guys.
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I'm shitting my pants at Disneyland right now, and I'm 14 numbers behind.
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Yeah, I mean, that makes absolutely no sense from a bathroom. Oh, I forgot. I think that makes sense. I pee too much, and I don't decide when I pee.
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Yeah. I'm not waiting. I would shit on Chicky and Pete.
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When was the last time you pooped your pants? Poop my pants?
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It's been a long time. Can I? Wait, sorry. I don't really want to say this on a podcast, but I'll do it anyways.
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Huh? No, it's fine. One time I was taking a shower and I farted a little bit and like a tiny pebble came out.
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Did you mash it down the drain?
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No, it was like a little rock. I picked it up. I put it in the toilet. I'm sorry. Sorry.
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Jack, don't act like that's so disturbing. I wasn't saying it's so disturbing. I just wasn't. It's funny.
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Well, I don't do it. It was one time.
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If it makes you feel any better. It was like a test run. I famously had one winter break where I shit myself twice. My mom was very concerned.
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Over winter break? Yeah. Was it because you missed your friends?
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It's because he was so fucking scared of Santa. He's fucking terrified.
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The idea of him is kind of weird. You're breaking into my house and you know everything about me?
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I don't want him in my house. I don't know if he's real.
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What? What if Santa Claus was accused of a crime? That would suck. That would be a really good docuseries, though.
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Yeah. TMZ presents. It'd be tough to pin down, though. Yeah. When did you find out he wasn't real? Child labor. What? When did you find out he wasn't real?
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What did you say? What do you mean?
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What are you talking about? Santa? Santa.
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What do you mean? What do you mean?
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Are we breaking the news here? He's real. He's real.
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No, but it was probably in like fifth grade.
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I'll never forget. I found out because my aunt said, I said something about believing in Santa. My aunt said, don't even act like you still believe in Santa. I was like, what? She was like, oh my God, you do? Is she pretty? My aunt? Yes.
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Nice. I was in the lunch line and I... And his aunt. And his aunt came out. No, this kid.
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Don't even fib. Don't even lie. Don't fib, dude.
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I'm Will's aunt. I was in the lunch line and I was talking about how excited I was for Santa to come. We were probably too old to still be believing this. And this kid turned around. I think I was like 12. And this kid, Aiden Hubs, turned around. He goes, you know he's not real, right? Just shatter all over.
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Classic Aiden move. It's a bad name.
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We're also in like six or seven. Fuck you, Hubs. We should probably. His brother one time used to bite holes in the bus seats. You know, the bus seats are made of like that gray leather.
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What's his name? His brother's name.
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We'll bleep it. over two on the names these and he uh he got caught biting holes in them so they his punishment was they parked the bus on the playground and he had to sit in the bus for the whole recess and watch everyone else play free time to chew more holes I think it backfired. It went fucking hog wild. They left him unsupervised with a buffet of leather.
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All right, let's hear this next viral pitch.
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All right, next pitch. Thank you, Jenny. Next pitch is from Clark O'Neill. Shout out, Clark. He says, hey, Dinkle, Donkle, and Lauren.
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Lauren. donkle what's it's like uh you know people have like stupid names for their grandparents yeah we should start doing that for aunts and uncles you're gonna love my donkle my donkle will y'all gonna love my poopy and click what is the worst part about a road trip the worst part about a road trip having to pee uh peeing in the car agreeing on like uh music or podcast to listen to okay
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no there's no fresh food there's nothing there's no like free one person can't drink yeah okay clark says the awkward part a few hours into the drive when you like the company and being in the car but you don't want to be physically driving the car introducing carpool this is an app that pairs with a device on the front of your car and allows you to hook yourself to the back of another car
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Like a trailer. The app works like a ride sharing service where you can enter the destination you are going and it will show you people driving a similar place on the road with you at the same time.
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You can then send them a request to attach the car pole to the trailer hitch or rear bumper and put the car neutral and boom, you have the benefits of a driving service but still getting to enjoy the privacy of your own car. Feeling sleepy in the middle of your drive? Just share a carpool with someone and take a power nap. Ready to get driving on your own or need to make a stop?
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Just end the ride on the app and the carpool unattach the car for you. I'd be pissed if I... They will...
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That's pretty cool. Smell of life's simplest places. Exactly like popcorn. Isn't that like a sign of a stroke or something? What are you talking about? Lauren, Google popcorn towel smell? Lauren, could you Google popcorn towel smell, please?
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serial killers will drive me into their lair oh i didn't think about that i hate getting but they put into a lair i'm curious what the incentive is to accept a carpool you get money money eight dollars eight bucks yeah i like that i wish it didn't have like the other person didn't have to consent to it so you just like pull up behind someone like shoot this suction cup out
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I like the idea that you can look behind. You're not paying attention. You look behind and there's eight cars. Carpools behind you. One guy's car is running so hot.
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I like it. I don't know. I wasn't in this road trip, so I have to tell the story retroactively. my buddy Phil was driving to his like camp in the middle of Maine. There's no street lights. The only light is coming from your headlights and they're driving in out of nowhere. His car turned off and the steering wheel locked and all the lights went down. It happened to me the other day.
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And so he like slams on the brakes, but it's,
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pitch black and they're on this like curvy back road man so they slam on the brakes and uh when they like got the car to turn back on they turned the headlights on there was a tree like four feet in front of them holy crazy yeah that's terrifying thank you phil all right should we pitch each other yeah can i go pee real quick sure i have to pee really really bad oh that's sick
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Guys, in the winter, it is easy to hole up inside, but in spring, I'm going out more and staying out longer. Dude, I was out literally all day on Saturday. I left my house at 8 a.m. and I did not get back until 2 in the morning. And I was, I'll say it, I was freaking stinky by the end of it.
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I wish I had brought a few of these Mando deodorant wipes with me because that might have helped me not make the ladies run away because my balls stink. So, Willie, do your balls stink? Can you tell me about a time that you needed Mando the most? Saturday night, dude. I was out and about on the town, but I'd been out literally all day in the sun.
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well i think it means isn't there something that like you smell before you're dying of a stroke i have a question for you i was convinced oh certain medical oh you have been to wrong no i've been we're gonna lose will to been to wrong um i don't wanna i don't wanna put you on blast here willy were you doing anything with the towel before you washed it no My buddy Jake used it when he visited.
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And I'm actively trying to, because every year it's like some random kid on the golf team.
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and i want to be i want to be how what's what do you define actively what are you doing what is your college is mr rogers what does that mean i'm just putting oh he no he's the only he's the only alumni that wasn't an athlete to my knowledge oh who's like relevant that's in the hall of fame in our in our college is hall yeah i'm trying what what college you go to harvard to the south what is that what call rollins college that's not there's no way that's the harvard i've never heard of that before
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I hadn't either. It rhymes, though. That's kind of fun. My dad. It always rhymes.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's fun. All right. Who's ready for the greatest business pitch you've ever heard in your life?
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And I'm allowed to hit your vape one more time unless you're uncomfortable with that. What did you say? And I'm allowed to hit your... Oh, please. You're such a good guy.
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Please. I'm trying to get in the BC Hall of Fame with... Who else went there?
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John Kerry. Doug Flutie. Matt Ryan. Amy Poehler.
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No, they didn't. Did they actually? Yeah, yeah.
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I thought one of them went to like... Google that. Like an Ivy League school. Definitely, it was an Ivy League school.
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Yeah, I don't know about that.
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Princeton. I want to say Princeton.
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The other one went to Princeton. Well, because he got kicked out.
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Applied to Princeton. No, he went to Princeton.
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One of them got expelled from Princeton. Yeah, he got kicked out of Princeton. And then that's right before they killed him.
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There was a woman who went to ASU briefly, Mary Kay Letourneau, who famously had sex with her 12-year-old student. And then she went to jail. She got pregnant. And when she got out of jail, they got married.
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Oh, wait. Was that what they based that? May, December? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw it. I was thinking the Adam Sandler one. Happy Gilmore. Wait, what's the movie?
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Oh, that was also based on. What were you just saying?
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They based those movies off of this one. May, December.
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Oh, I haven't heard of those.
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We were in a meeting yesterday and our boss was convinced that, so he was referencing like golf movies and he kept saying Billy Madison instead of Happy Gilmore, which is, there's no golf in Billy Madison. And he was, it was a nightmare scenario for him because he was on Zoom and everyone else was in person. So we're all like snickering every time he says it and he just keeps doing it.
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he was like i don't know man you do something like like the greatest golf characters from from uh movie golf movies like you know shooter mcgavin billy madison like all the other golf except for like caddy shack are there other yeah there's plenty tin cup bagger vance uh the golf movie bagger vance is will smith and matt damon and will smith they're just playing golf will smith is a is a caddy named bagger vance and it's about him
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It's kind of about him and this guy named Juno, who is played by Matt Damon. I've seen that. You've seen Juno? Yeah, Matt Damon's a pregnant – He's pregnant and 17? Track star or something. I don't know. You're a track star.
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Is she – or he's 17 in the movie?
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What? I don't know. I've never seen it.
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Is there a jersey, a real jersey, or is it just... Not to brag, but... Or no, no, but like, is that a team? I don't know. Oh, it's the Arizona Cardinals?
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I don't like, I didn't know if it was... Pat Tillman, he quit his NFL career to go fight the war after 9-11, and then he got killed by a friendly fire. Pat Tillman, he had a dream. He had a dream. He did the whole speech.
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it was the it's the the team that i i'm not really like that big of a fan because they're they're so bad they're pretty i'm not that invested in them yeah they were good but it's a cool enough jerk like it's not too busy yeah otherwise it would be like i wouldn't you know uh but they only it's like a historic one and the only player that they do is pat tillman and And he wasn't that good.
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He was good. He was pretty good, but he wasn't a Hall of Famer. He just left the team in the middle of his contract to serve in the Iraq War.
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Maybe Jake has been to wrongs? Jake was jacking off with popcorn. I think that's what he said.
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And then it was a big story. And then he immediately got killed in friendly fire. And then they lied about it for two years and told the family he died... like as a war hero when really he just was like killed by someone some American guy accidentally but also maybe on purpose it's super weird it was a big scandal from the Iraq war yeah it's odd he had the high ground He was also hot as shit.
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He's like the most Chad looking guy. And he was like a hippie too.
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He was like barefoot and biked to practice.
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That always confused me because he was this hippie guy but he was also extremely patriotic.
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They tried to paint him as a super American war hero, but he was not like that at all. He was a huge hippie.
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Oh, wow. Why did he do that, then? He was 9-11 fear?
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Yeah, he was so fired up about it. 9-11 happened, and he was like, there are things bigger than football. Yeah.
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We also like cry like you would cry during the national anthem like before this. Oh, that's a big was that's a very like that's a bit extreme Yeah, very patriotic guy legend Cool story little jawline.
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Oh, no. I just think that if your towel has a unique smell and Ben was using it. Google what you smell when you're having a stroke. is there a specific smell that you would smell burnt toast okay all right i think that's pretty close to pop careful man i think did you put it on like a really high setting some dryer yeah i don't think it has that
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Yeah, that's that's oh wait go it.
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There's one right below it in the blue this fucking the jawline crazy crazy big-ass net is like what it all like like Navy SEALs like all have that face like they've liked it like the block Face yeah, it's the net the net is crazy. Oh All right, who's ready for the greatest business pitch of all time? Hit me. Go. What is the worst part about having to poo? The blood.
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Yeah, I was going to say the blood or the pain. Lauren? The screaming. It's like eight hours of your day just gone.
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Not wanting to do it where you are, like at the place you're at.
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Yeah, it derails your whole day if you have something to do. I'm constantly worried about the plane overhead. Airplane. Airplane. That was a movie. That was a movie. Chicken or fish.
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Also a great national tragedy.
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I have gotten over this fear, but when I was a kid, I was constantly worried about getting somewhere and then having to poop once I got there.
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And like, whatever. Welcome to Plan My Poop. Uh, it tells you when you're going to have to poop next. So you can plan your day around it. Uh, it will tell you like if you're, you'll scan your meal and it'll be like, after you eat this, you're going to have to poop in 45 minutes or whatever. So you're like, okay, I just need to block out that time. For pooping.
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Does the app have, like, a voice?
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In your pocket, it's, like, five, four. Oh, oh. Maybe it has some games, too, while you're pooping, then? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poop games. Fling the poop. Sling the poop. Stink the poop. Stink the poop. Stink the poop? It's a game. That was my favorite drinking game in college. Dude, pull up. We're playing Stink the Poop. Stink the poop. Yeah, I love that. That was good. All right.
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Willie, I've got... Wait, I'm trying to remember what it was. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Stink the poop. It's stink the poop. Oh, man, mine's just stink the... It just says stink the poop like four times. No, it's called... I remember what it is. Oh, yes. This is a very clever name. The TV eye monitor. All right? I want this connects to your TV, and when your eyes close, it pauses what you're watching.
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Every time you blink? Samsung does that.
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They have an option that if you take your eyes off the screen, it'll pause.
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I don't like that. Yeah. How would they know?
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Wait, really? Can you Google this, Lauren? She's texting. She's tweeting.
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She's texting her investor. This is the new business model.
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Google video pauses when you take your eyes off it. Because I fall asleep during things almost every night. Sleep timer.
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No, I was texting Paige because before I forgot, I wanted to ask if we were getting a new rug in here.
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No, but I don't want the sleep timer because I want it to pause exactly when I stopped watching.
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This is definitely not... It was the first thing.
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It was the first link. Nope, that's the third link.
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Did you guys watch the new Black Mirror?
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I don't think it exists. I watched a little bit of the... Who's the guy that plays... Aaron Paul. I watched a little bit of the Aaron Paul one.
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Aaron Paul's in one of them? Yeah.
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Oh, I didn't watch that one yet. It's kind of spooky though.
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He's on meth. No. And there's a bad computer.
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and he's doing math and he cooks it with his high school teacher wait i feel like we're moving past that this tv does not yeah this definitely does not exist well what does this say then that says r slash it's r slash crazy ideas no this does not exist he's like dude it was right there click on it yeah r slash crazy maybe it's not a tv but someone comment what i'm thinking of it's like they're a samsung phone does it or something
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but but sorry continue i feel like you could just pause it no but he falls asleep like you gotta get on that sleep timer wave every time i get in bed to watch tv i put a 30 minute sleep timer on no but it's not like i'm not like going to bed and i want to make sure the tv turns off because it'd be on all night it's like i'll like start dozing off and then i'll like uh and then i get up and go to bed but then i don't remember exactly like where in the but here's a question when do you sleep with the thing playing
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No, no, no. It's in my – I sleep in my bed in a separate room. But I always like – I'm watching it and then a lot of times I'll start to doze off and then I kind of catch myself and just go to bed. But then when I go back to catch that episode, I'm like, I don't remember exactly where I started dozing off. Gotcha. So I end up re-watching a bunch of shit that I've already seen.
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It doesn't have one mode dryer? I put how long I want it to go for. And that's the only option you have? Yeah, I think so. How many options does your dryer have?
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What do you wear when you sleep? Do you wear like – what pajamas?
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I wear sweatpants and a Casey Musgraves tour sweater. Every night? Most nights.
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Do you watch it every day? No.
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No. You got to start sleeping nakey. Just the Kacey Musgraves shirt. I have all my windows open, so it kind of gets cold if I'm nakey.
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You could just close the window.
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I like the air. I do windows open naked all the way under the covers. Yeah, I do Kacey Musgraves. Rub my feet together. Yeah. That's just what I've been doing right now. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It's from the Deeper Well Tour. I thought I got a cool sweater at her show, and then it's just fully for women. It's like cropped.
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Is that what you wear when you sleep? Yeah, it's like a cropped camo sweater.
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That's so slutty. Yeah, it's kind of slutty.
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I watch TV with my roommate in it, too. It's really soft, though. That's sick. I don't want to picture it. I already was. Well, I got these killer abs. Yeah. Yeah, you got to show them off. Wearing a shirt with no, even when I'm like getting undressed, I will make sure there's never a point where I'm wearing just a shirt. In the same way, I'll make sure I'm never wearing just a sock.
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Oh, I have sweatpants on. You know what I mean? Like if you're a man and you're wearing just a t-shirt and nothing else, it's like very feminine. That's true. Winnie the Pooh. Dude, I almost won trivia last night. But we got the last question wrong. What was your team name? Turbo Team.
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Too many options. I get stuck there sometimes.
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You're the Turbo Team? I heard about you.
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You guys do great work. It was named the last five Grammy winners for Best New Artist. Wait, let's see if I can do it. Oh, that's hard. In order? Or one team got it at the whole bar. In order? Billy Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter. No, Chapel Roan. Chapel Roan is good.
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Chapel Roan's right. Victoria Monet.
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Victoria Monet. Yeah, Victoria Monet, Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish.
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No, Billie Eilish and Sabrina Carpenter.
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Megan Thee Stallion is right.
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Yeah, it was Megan Thee Stallion, Billie Eilish. Not Billie Eilish. Oh, not Billie? Okay, Megan Thee Stallion, Chapel Roan.
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Can I tell you about my idea for dryer washer combo?
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He said one of them, too. Olivia Rodrigo. Olivia Rodrigo. No, there's just one more.
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No, I think it was the oldest one.
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Who won the most recent one? It's like jazz.
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Is that a person? No, she was like jazz.
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Oh, I think you're right. I had never heard of this person.
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Oh. Can I say it? Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't say it. She's jazz. I don't know. She's very jazzy.
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just is it just that no well i think that already the washer the bottom once the wash is done it just opens up the bottom it drops right into the dryer i think that exists they have one machine that is a washer but they're bad they're not good you don't want it yeah yeah so you want the one that just drops in it's like you could have figured this out on top of the other one yeah the washer is above the dryer how tall is your house 11 mine are on top of each other already
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She's like smaller, but it's like. Sabrina Carpenter.
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no no like she doesn't have that many listeners but she's like a jazz music they told me not to wait i feel like i know who it is i would be shocked i know who it is i don't remember is she asian i literally don't i heard i just heard the name last night and i'd never heard it before can you say it yeah it was like say something say look up 2021 i know who it is i don't know her name okay look up 2022 maybe 2020 no that was megan stallion 2020
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Yeah, Samara Joy. Samara Joy.
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Did Chapel win the most recent one?
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Yeah, I think so. Scott was positive it was Dochi.
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I fucking love Dochi. She's so sick. I'm obsessed with her. Steve Lacey. Oh, I like Steve Lewis. Felt like a decent guess. Hell yeah. All right, do you have a pitch, Nut? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, wait. Hello, Sharks. Hi. Hi, Shark. I'm also Shark.
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Oh, okay. My pitch is one cigarette. They should sell one cigarette. That would be so dope if you could just buy one. Because I don't want to buy a whole pack of cigarettes because it's like $7 or $8. It's like, sorry, I'm not a millionaire. Right. But also it's too many cigarettes. I would like one cigarette.
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And they sell those sometimes, but it's not allowed. It's like illegal.
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Because big tobacco, they don't want, yeah, they don't want, it's like with music, how one song, they start selling one song and the profits and music went down by like 80%.
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oh because like if you sold 10 million albums before that's 10 times 10 million but if there's one big song now the song is 99 cents times 10 million it's like 90 percent that makes sense they should sell one cigarette and they could upcharge for it too i feel like i would pay two dollars for cigarette they could put it in like a little canister like a
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yeah that was my business pitch I like that a lot I'm looking for 50 million dollars for like 10% smoke comes out and it like raises up slowly that was just like when I'm having sex with girls
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Come on. Smoke comes out. All right, should we do... I like that. I'm in. I'm in as well. Should we do everyone's favorite segment? Teach me something. Have you guys ever heard about the bullet that hit twice? You ever heard this story?
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Come on. I don't need a bullet, but I hit it twice. To set the scene, it is the 1890s. Henry Ziegland just broke up with his girlfriend, devastated. She took her own life. Her brother, enraged, blamed Henry and tried to kill him. He shot at Henry, who somehow survived. The bullet barely missed him and lodged in a nearby tree behind him.
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The brother, thinking he succeeded, turned the gun on himself. So now the brother and the sister are dead, but Henry is still alive. Fast forward 20 years. Henry is clearing that very tree that the bullet lodged in with dynamite.
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The explosion sends the old bullet flying out of the tree, which hits and kills him, meaning the bullet that was supposed to kill him 20 years ago finally finished the job.
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That's actually really funny. Isn't that crazy? You're so dumb for doing that.
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Why did you have to blow it up with dynamite? Henry Ziegland? Can you Google Henry Ziegland?
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Couldn't you just get an axe?
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Yeah, but I think Dynamite was all the rage. He just had access to Dynamite? Dude, it was easy. Okay, but also, the dynamite... Would you say the dynamite killed him? No, no, the bullet flew out of the tree when he blew up the tree with the dynamite and hit it and killed him.
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Okay, fucking millionaire big house.
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It says, in Honeygrove, Texas, there's no record of Henry Zieglin, and skeptics say the story is probably pure legend. Probably not, though. No, I was there. I saw it. Yeah, that's interesting.
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This happens like every other episode where I say something and it's just not true. Where do you get? I just don't understand where you get all these stories from. I read it. I read it. Crazy. Is it a book?
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It happened. So he still just lived at this place where someone tried to murder him?
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Well... The story of Henry Zieglin was a hoax. Oh, oldspirituals.com says it's a hoax. I forgot they were fucking the new CNN. Get out of here. Fuck out of here. It's an awesome story. It is a good story. I like that story. I was going to say, do you know there are lizards that can breathe underwater? Fish? Eels. No. What? What? I'm mad that my story wasn't true.
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How tall is your washer? I live in at the tiniest. The ceilings are right here.
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I mean, you've got to vet these things. I don't care if you do, actually. I still like that story. I don't care that it's not true.
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It is true. It is true. One website said it's a hoax. Oldspirituals.com. And the other one, too.
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I feel like someone just shot him 20 years later. And they were like, no, it was a tree. It was a tree.
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The tree shot him. Anyway, the tree shot him. I can't believe he got away with it.
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Sorry, I don't have space for... Your ceilings are at your head.
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You could get away with murder so easily. It's shocking how easy.
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Yeah, so then the air comes in slowly while they're underwater. Oh, that's so cool. Pull that up, Lauren. What?
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You're on your phone. What are you doing? I'm listening. What did you think he said? Google what you just said.
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Sorry, I don't have a million dollars.
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Google what I said. His snout. Google it. The snout that extends or something.
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Just Google it. My question is, it's the middle of the workday. Who do you text to?
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I'm not texting anyone. What were you doing? I'm checking in. And no, it's not boys. That would be crazy. I'm checking in. Lizard in the water. That's fine. With snout that extends.
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He has like a bald spot from like your head. He's constantly scraping the ceiling.
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Are you co-ed texting? Boys and girls?
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It actually kind of worked. Go to images, though. See? You don't know what happened. You just remember a couple keywords. Look at this guy. That's crazy. That's what it looks like? Yeah, and then he gets... Well, I don't like that. You don't like it? I like it. I'm sorry. Oh, no, no, no. Not in like a... Oh, pop it. Pop it. Yeah, it would be fun to pop.
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is it like it's like dr pimple popper oh i used to love that shit is that so serious oh yeah but now it's like a huge disgusting sit like respectfully yeah and it's like she was popping pimples like six months ago now it's like they have like they like hit it with like a skewer yeah you know they went a little they jumped the shark i'm out that's yeah yes that's fucking crazy
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Sorry, I don't have warm towels every morning, man. We were... It's probably popcorn.
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I didn't know that, actually. Wait, what's that lizard with big-ass hands?
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One time I saw a Komodo dragon. It was in a plexiglass cage, and it lunged itself at the glass at me. Really? It was like a Harry Potter? It was at like one of those Orlando parks where you walk through. Like Disney World? No, no, no. I think it was in the Universal realm. Universal Studios. Yeah. Oh, okay. I'm a big Universal guy.
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Yes. They only have like five roller coasters, though. Universal? That's not true. No, they got plenty. Six. They have six? Well, I just feel like there's way less.
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They... Okay, so, like, the big ones... Yeah. There's, like... Yeah, there's, like, five or six, like, big scary ones. But, like, they got Hagrid's. They got Mummy. They got Simpsons. They got Spider-Man. They got... Bart Simpson.
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We... That does sound really rich, actually.
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Dude, the Harry Potter shit there is, like, the cool... The Harry Potter ride... You seen the new one?
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...was the most fun thing I've ever been on in my life. The new Harry Potter world, you can travel by flu powder. You say this all the time. What does that mean? It means you can travel by flu powder. He's been saying this all... I feel like you can't. ...nonstop in... What does that mean?
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Yeah, I don't know what that means.
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I'm going to be honest. I'm not a Harry Potter guy. What does that mean practically? You can travel by flu powder. What is that? Yes, Universal Studios still uses flu powder in the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. Yeah, what is that? What does that mean? I'm not saying you're lying. I just want to know what it means. You walk in one thing and then the flu powder happens and then you walk out.
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Yeah. Well, I like that in this scenario, the richest thing you could do is stack them. Like, I feel like that inherently is like a... You're calling me impoverished now? No, I have mine stacked. I'm just saying, like, millionaires don't stack them. Okay, another millionaire.
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What is the flu powder? What is that?
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oh you haven't seen harry potter no i have not seen harry potter they throw this thing down and it like evaporates you and then you transport to another uh oh so they it's like a ton of smoke and then you're somewhere else so they like change the scenery around you well it's how you get around that can you feel the ground shifting to a different you don't teleport i don't know the technology that they're using that's what i'm asking no i just said i don't know i don't know but i know that they do have you considered that it might be magic
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We talked about this last time. We were joking that they might have invented teleportation and the only use right now is Universal Studios.
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That would be awesome. I'm so excited. It comes out in May. Flu Powder, the new one? No, the new Harry Potter World. It's like the size of the current Universal Park. They're making it more? Whole new Harry Potter World.
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It was already there. What else could they add to it?
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This one's like, I think they're pulling stuff from Fantastic Beasts.
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I think they added Slytherin. What's Fantastic Beasts?
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You're going to love my buddy.
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Because I do Thanksgiving in Florida, and so we go to Universal every year with my cousins.
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That's where Hogwarts is? It's in Florida. It's in Orlando, Florida.
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That would be so sick if that was in the books, in the movies.
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It's just in Orlando, Florida.
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My cousins have the executive gold pass or whatever, so you can skip the line. And the look on people's faces when you've rode Hagrid's like five times before they've ridden it once.
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Your cousin rode Hagrid five times?
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It was Thanksgiving at my house. Riding Hagrid sounds painful.
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Not to get gross on here. I don't know.
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You can get as gross as you want.
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How tall is Hagrid? seven nine probably so immediate thought eight eight six i'm gonna go nine ten he should why was he doing all the wizards let's go let's go that's crazy they should first the first thing should have been he should have been playing basketball what was he doing like finding kids in their houses and stealing basketball this is so funny He looks sick in that picture.
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In the book, he's 11'6". Harry's 5'5".
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He's big as hell. Tiny arms for a big body also.
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So maybe that's why he didn't play basketball. It was just a normal actor on like stilts. Yeah. How did that work? He was on stilts. Give him bigger arms. In the first couple ones, they use like an animatronic face. So like if you like are watching one or two, if Hagrid's in the background, he's just like...
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really yeah oh i was gonna say though uh this is where i was like not to be gross his dick and balls huge gotta be huge right yes but or big like comparatively but it could still look small on his body because his body is so big i mean he would split me in half i think it's safe to say
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Sorry, my house isn't so wide I can afford to put them side by side. My house is very tall, but very narrow.
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Have you ever seen the original Jabba the Hutt?
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Does he also have a huge dick and balls?
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Yeah. No, look at the original Jabba the Hutt.
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Which one then? Oh, it's just a guy? I would feel so bad. No, it's like the fourth one.
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I'm looking. Right there. Right above you. No, right above. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's it. Yeah, it was just a guy. Oh, that's him? Yeah.
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I would feel offended. Yeah. They cast me as Jabba the Hutt.
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Whenever there's a fat kid in a movie, I always feel bad that the casting call was like, bring your fattest kid, and then you got the role. I also think it's crazy that he went back and retrofitted this movie.
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Wait, so when it first came out, it was a guy?
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So when people saw it in theaters, it was just some guy, and then they redid it?
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Like, they digitally made him big like that?
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And then they redid it again once the tech got better. Yeah. And then George Lucas was, like, a stickler about it, so he, like, erased any... Like, it's pretty much impossible to find the original footage.
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Nice. It's like a pencil dick house. Yeah. Yeah, that's sick.
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Oh, my God. Yeah. If I'm that actor, I would be so mad. Yeah.
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He's not even, like, that gross.
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He's just a guy. Yeah. Nut, do you ever teach me something?
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Oh, like, kind of? It depends. Well, because I didn't plan that. Okay. But I respect your show and your guys. But, okay. You guys are like golf guys, right?
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I golf. Willie golfs a little bit.
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I just watched the Tiger Woods documentary. Have you guys seen that? Okay, so then I won't talk about that. Are you just saying that? Because I could talk about that or I could talk about Adolf Hitler. Do the Hitler one? I was listening to this podcast. It was mostly about the thought I had. I was having a conversation with my roommates and they were saying
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It's all up. Flann and her roommate have a two-in-one where it's, like, the same machine. And they realized that... Yeah, they realized it doesn't have a lint trap. And so they were like, all right, we need to figure out, like, where all this lint is going. And there's no... There's no, like...
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It's weird that Hitler didn't have, like, a ton of kids.
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Because you would think, like, in the Elon Musk or Nick Cannon way, like, you're obsessed with your bloodline. Yeah. And he seemed like the type of guy who would have, like, 12 kids.
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He had zero kids. He never had a kid. There's, like, a hoax or lore that he had one, like, out-of-wedlock secret kid, but I think it was debunked.
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Wait, didn't he have... He had no kids. Didn't he have, like, children, though, that he, like... Oh, Hitler Youth? No, no, no. Didn't he have a family?
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No, he married a woman near the end of his life.
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Yeah, that's it. And that she had kids or something?
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No, they never had, he never had kids. I thought there were like kids with him in the bunker where they killed themselves. No, there's a lot of speculation about, no, there's a lot of speculation about his sex life because it was so weird. Yeah. Given the type of person he was that he would, seems like he would have kids and stuff. Yeah.
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But there's like rumors with some evidence that he had like a fucked up penis and balls. Like he had a micro dick and one ball. And there's some scientific evidence to like prove that, but it's not, some people think it's not true.
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but either way he was like what now would be like an incel kind of yeah he was like an elliot roger type guy yeah so he was just not fucking really that much until later when he became like powerful yeah but uh the reason he didn't have like kids and stuff so i was just wondering like what is his bloodline like that i believe that lauren you can google this but i believe anyone like the hitlers made a pact that they weren't gonna have kids this is my this is my oh oh oh
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i thought you were asking the question oh no no you're but i respect you i would see this is what the issue was i was trying to come up with something but you're you'd like know the stuff so now i'm embarrassed i gotta do lizards he doesn't know shit about lizards i didn't know that okay you didn't know that i'm sorry but yeah anyways he had a nephew and that was the only like like family like the person carrying the hitler name his nephew's name was bill hitler
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which is so fun that's just like a funny name yeah and then he tried to like benefit from his uncle being like powerful so he moved to germany but he like couldn't get a good job like he wouldn't get him like big jobs in government or anything so then he just went to america and he joined the u.s military fighting against the nazis yeah and they would be like what's your name he was like bill hitler and they were like no it's not that's not that's not funny but he was just like hitler's nephew
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thing to clean it out so i like to picture that it just shoots out like like a tube on the other side of the house their neighbor's apartment i just saw something two stacked washer and dryers oh so that when your roommate wants to go you can go to he yeah exactly I like that a lot. My, my dryer is in washer really loud and they're the way my house is set up. Yeah.
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And then he changed his last name, and he had four kids. Three of them are still alive, and they live in Long Island, New York. And they're just, like, three. The oldest one's 70. Wow. And they're just, like, Hitler's, like, great-nephews. And they're the last people in the bloodline.
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But they changed the last name.
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Yeah, it's like a hyphenate. It's like a, I want to say Hughes.
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No, Houston. They just changed, like, one letter. It's like, we're the Hotlers. Yeah. Yeah.
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They changed it to Hiller, and then everyone was like, we can still tell. And then they changed it to Houston Alexander or something like that. Wow. It was Houston something. Didn't they make a pact to not... Yeah, people said that they were like, we can't have kids. We have to kill the bloodline.
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And they just live in Long Island. They're like New York guys.
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I guess that makes sense to not... Yeah. You're kind of...
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kind of sad though it's like i didn't do anything but like i don't want to keep i don't want to have any more hitlers yeah that's crazy i just love that it's fascinating there's a guy named bill hitler that's such a funny name i like that he oh because his grandpa wouldn't or his uncle wouldn't let him get like a cool job he was like i'll go the other side here wait i have a question have you considered going by bill maybe when i'm older have you always been will
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I was always Will, yeah. From a young age, my parents were like Will. My family calls me Willie, and then I came here, and there's a Will and a Billy already, so I became Willie, kind of professionally. You could be Liam. We already have a Liam. We have a Liam. We have a Will, Liam, and a Billy. And then I came in, and I mean, Billy came in together.
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I was like, all right, I'm going to be Willie, I guess, and he'll be Billy, because we have a Will and a Liam. But we're all named William.
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every single one of you three of us three of the people that's kind of crazy crew yeah wait is your real name rusty no what's your real name jack okay i was born john went by jack only like i only there were only like a handful of kids they called me rusty and then when i like made a tiktok i made it rusty that's sick uh all right lauren pause this immediately and i mean immediately
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Love that. Jaime. Yes, Jaime. Jorge.
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All right, this is a medieval doctor, and this is at some sort of renaissance fair, and they are, you know... Interviewing different people. And this guy is going to tell us what profession he would have if he lived in medieval times. A doctor. And let's see how he does. Definitely. I'm leaning doctor for sure. Hello.
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What I like about this guy is the Renaissance Faire is a time to You can literally be anything you want. And in his dream world, he is a uroscopy doctor who drinks people's pee. I kind of love it. And I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say I think he's probably drinking people's pee in this life.
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We were outside and Nut's like paying his parking meter. And the guy behind him was like, are you in that Subaru? He's like, you're paying for the wrong meter right now. So we backed it up into a different spot.
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I was going to say he is a pervert.
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Is he a doctor in real life? Nope.
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I don't want to speak for him, but I would say just based off of this still frame. Almost certainly not. I don't think health is necessarily on the top of his mind. He's a piss drinker. And I like that instead of being a freaking weirdo, he found a time era where that was allowed and then made that his personality. Yes.
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I feel like this is probably the time where you could get away with drinking pee the most, like current day.
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Yeah, that's true. And find a community that doesn't judge you.
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Yeah, build like a network of people who are like, this is the... So why does he want to go back to... I guess maybe in medieval times they did it more. I don't know much about it.
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They're really far from my room, but right next to both of my roommates bedrooms. So it's like, it's, it really feels like I'm like, like dropping a grenade and walking out. Like, cause I always do it at night and I always forget. And then I'm going to bed like, Oh, I got to move to the dryer. Just start the dryer, walk away, go to sleep calmly.
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Well, I think it's probably stinked more. Well, there's also... There's not a lot of money in piss drinking in this... True. It might be accepted.
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Probably like OnlyFans, right?
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Maybe. That's true. But I think back then you could make a killing. All right, Willie, you got a This Guy Rocks? I do, yeah. This is Mike. Or no, this is, I don't know, Skillet Solid? I don't even know.
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I will. I try and... I try and defend my fellow whites as much as I can. Sometimes they make it real tough. How often do you defend your fellow whites? My fellow whites... Your F-dubs. My F-dubs. I mean, when stuff like this happens, I try and make a good case for us. But I think there's something seriously wrong with both of those people. No. No. They're making content.
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The only thing wrong with him is he's too good at sword... He was a good slice. That was a good slice. That's a nice slice. All right. That was pretty sick. Thank you.
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I saved a few. Wait. Let me pull it up. You can airdrop it. I just saw this one this morning when I was getting ready.
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I think he's got a shot. I didn't watch the whole video, to be honest. I think he's got a shot. All right, Nut, you are the guest, so you get to pick. Would you like to start with pickup lines or dating shows that don't exist?
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Really? They're outside. Oh, I used to have that. What happens if it rains? It's rain.
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I had a lot of trouble with the pickup line, so I'm going to do that first so it ends on a higher note.
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I like that. All right, Willie, tee it up. I'm always thinking. These are pickup lines that don't exist. Or wait, these are the hottest pickup lines of 2025. I lost my testicles in a weed whacking accident, so there's no chance I could get you pregnant. I like that. Thank you. That would work. That's pretty good.
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My idea is you run up to them at the bar kind of frantically and say, listen, we don't have long until the cops are here, but there's something I've got to say. Kind of creates an aura of mystery.
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And malice, perhaps. I like it.
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Oh, that's just... What else do you say? Whatever you want after.
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And then you say, I love you. Oh. And I want you to come to jail with me. Oh, my God. I think I just got arrested. Oh, for what? He's been doing this for the past couple of days. Oh, my God. This is so awkward timing, but I think I just got arrested.
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All right. You got one? I was... Not really, but you could... Wait. You could... You, like, call in a bomb threat.
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And then... And then be like, well, we can hang out somewhere else.
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Because your apartment is bombed. We have to go back to my apartment. It's the only place that's safe. Yeah, I like that a lot. Thank you. I was thinking you could go up to a girl and say, all right, I'm going to be honest. I put something in your drink, but now I feel bad. Can I buy you a new one?
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That could work. I love your shoes. Can I try them on?
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It's electric. You wouldn't like cook outside. Oh, I feel like it's fine.
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um all right so you know girls when they're at the bar sometimes they feel a little intimidated by the other women there and you have to you have to validate them that they're of course you know one of the one of the top players in the bar so you go i did the math and i think you could beat every girl in here in a fight that's pretty good i like that are you luigi mangione the girl
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Yeah, this is what I would say to them. Because I want – I'm hoping if I shoot my shot, I could see you later. Health care. Oh. Yeah. That's pretty good. You guys can keep that one. Anyone can use that. Lauren, if you want to use that on like a guy too. Thank you.
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I have a bonus one that didn't make it into my drafts. Bonus. I've been trying to picture what you smelled like all night, but I couldn't wait any longer. That would work. That would get me hard. All right, should we do dating shows that don't exist?
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You come in with a bag full of women's socks. And you say, please, can I please have your socks?
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It's got a cord. It's not just like loose wires. I wasn't saying it's going to like explode. I'm just saying like there's like electronics on the front. you guys are so smart you guys know so much about electronics and shit I was Will and Rusty's podcast we talked about like washers and dryers for a while what have you been up to?
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Or is one of these yours? Oh, yeah, that's good. Yeah, I like that a lot. All right. These are dating shows that don't exist. All right, I've got the passive bachelor. It's like the bachelor, but the bachelor themselves has no say in it. It's just all happening around them.
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It's just competitions among the contestants, and they're just like silently, or they're actively rooting for people to win, but they don't have any input. Oh, I like that. You know what I mean?
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See how it shakes out, and they have to marry the winner. That's pretty good. Okay. Close quarters. Close quarters. 100 sexy steaming singles live below deck on an old cargo ship, and it is cramped. Every time someone couples up, they can get rid of five people off the ship. So there's an incentive to find your match and free up some space. Love that.
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That's pretty good. I got love off the spectrum.
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What are you trying to say? They're just... They're not... They're off the spectrum.
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They're just... Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're so autistic that they're off the spectrum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like off the spectrum. Okay. Yeah, that's why I was wondering which way that goes. You don't think people with autism are normal, Will? No, I think they're normal.
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All right, hit me, Willie. I've got speed dating. A hundred... Or not a hundred. Like 25 horny singles are put in a house and they're all given meth. That would be sick. Yeah. Locked in for love. Okay. They open all the cells to the men's and women's prison. And the men and women get to mix with singles for the first time.
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My sister was dating a lesbian pop star as well, and my mom... No way. Yeah, my mom, after we had tacos the other night, went to... This is his Andre 3000 moment?
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And if they can get into a real healthy relationship, they get time taken off their sentence. Wow.
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Your kid gets murdered. Yeah. It goes to life in prison, but they shorten it to like 10 years because he got a girlfriend.
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He was locked in on love. He was locked in on love, man.
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um okay wait temptation island but it's like your parents instead of like a couple it's like married adult like older people and their kids are the ones watching and their kid at the confessionals where they see people cheating it's their kids watching them cheat that is horrifying and maybe worse than cousin island uh love in the trenches it's a dating show set in world war one style bunkers
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So not only are they battling lost relationships and all of the emotions of that, but they're also battling trench foot and things like that. I love it. Wait, what does it say? You're so vaped out right now. Yeah, what the hell?
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He doesn't even know what's happening.
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Tripping. You're tripping. Okay. Love comes first. Yes. uh it's a bunch of singles in a house and if you guys if they have sex with someone they either have to leave the island as a couple or break up uh so like they're you can't just have casual sex like you it has to it's higher stakes you have to wait until you're positive you would be comfortable leaving the island with that person okay
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Uh, okay. The bachelor basically, but he's like, like a super scrawny, like virgin guy.
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And all of the women are, uh, bodybuilders.
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hanging out doing cool shit it's the coolest thing you've done lately
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I like that a lot. I like that a lot. All right. We're going to wrap up with Rusty's song of the week of the day. Sorry.
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This is the fifth song on the playlist. If you haven't followed yet, it's on Spotify. Rusty's songs of the day. Today's song is Gypsy by Fleetwood Mac. I've been jamming out to it lately. And let me tell you, it makes me feel real good. So this is probably my favorite one I've added so far. I think by the time this one comes out, there will be 500 of you following. If there aren't, I will stop.
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I'm stoked about you guys jamming out to it. So, yeah.
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Share it with your friends. Share it with your friends.
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Nut, is there anything you want to plug? Plug Nut.
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i did i washed some towels this morning i dried them they smell like popcorn they smell like popcorn like more like popcorn than his fucking thing that's pretty cool that's my thing i really want to stay on this topic you know this is my last watch thing but you know it does like a like a really loud spin thing at the end and it kind of like is like shaking the whole house for us it's usually like three minutes and we were sitting on the couch
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You could follow me on Instagram at Nutstar. Yes.
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Yes. And watch all of Nut's Nectar shows. They're fantastic. And I had a lot of fun watching. Are you guys doing a season two of The House?
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There is talk of this. So if you guys want Willie or Rusty or Lauren on the show. You probably have no say in that, but I can let them know.
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Fantastic. I'm going to be on it. All right. We love you guys. Have a great rest of your Wednesday. Have a great rest of your week, and we will see you bright and early on Monday after the weekend. For episode 100. For episode 100. Will and I are wearing suits, and we're going to drink a lot of sugar. I think we're getting tripled. Yeah, it's going to be epic. It's going to be viral, apparently.
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There we go. All right. We love you guys. Take it easy.
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And my roommate and I may have gotten a little bit high. Oh, great.
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The spin cycle starts. And for us, it shakes the whole apartment. And so we're sitting there. We are watching Temptation Island. And literally, it went for the entire episode. It just kept spinning. It's something you don't notice until it's been going on for 10 minutes. Yeah. You're like, this is a fucking nightmare.
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No, they're not... She's not, like, they're not super famous, but it's a band called... And my mom was... She's a bit of a sweet tooth, and so she went to get an ice cream cone after we had dinner, and she said she was in line behind the whole band and, like, couldn't remember where she knew them from, and then was like, oh, Kara used to... Wait, where? At the ice cream shop? Salt and Straw.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
I did also just realize we have been talking about washers and dryers for like 10 minutes.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Yeah, I don't know what the... That's pretty sick. What's the time stamp?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
10 minute wash. I know so much about... Your internal clock is unparalleled. Thanks, man. Yeah. I was listening to a podcast that you were on like a couple years ago.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
you said you listened to uh turn my swag on before every podcast did you do that for us i didn't do that this time i stopped doing that because one of the times it was not i didn't do a good job and then i was like i could just listen to other songs i like that song though it's a great song what song do you what did you listen to on the way here
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
um wait i did the the spotify dj x it's fucking you have this Yeah. I was listening to that.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
We just demonetized our whole video. Oh, sorry. My fault. No, it's fine.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Also, I was listening to this podcast about Hitler.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
But not in a good... I like this one. The opposite of that. I was listening to it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Sometimes when you go down a history rabbit hole, you're like, it's concerning... Like, I feel bad about being interested in that period of time.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Oh, there are a few things that I'm super interested in. It was about his, like, sex life, though. Nice. He had seven confirmed, like, girlfriend or partners that are, like, in documents and stuff. In documents? Yeah, they were in documents. Sorry, my fault. They're, like, recorded girlfriends that they know about. Six of the seven committed suicide.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Yeah, I think... Isn't that crazy? Yeah. I think you've got it. You've got to do some self-reflection after the date with Hitler.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
After the fourth one, I'd be like... No, I meant the girls. Oh, the girls.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
He definitely had some self-reflection.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
They were all... You could cut this part out. They were all like teenagers, though. Ugh. Anyways. Did they want to be in the relationship? I doubt it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
The more I learn about that guy, the less and less I like him. I know.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
So... That was what I was listening to on the way here.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Okay, that's, yeah, same kind of stuff. No way. I wasn't. That's cool. I was listening to a song, I think.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
I was listening to Turnpike Troubadour's new album.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
It's a band. Every week he has a new band and I'm convinced they're all made up.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Evan Felker. Ever heard of him?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
That's just a name that you made up.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
It's a name that is of a guy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
That sounds like a guy that you went to school with. I didn't go. I wish. Do you remember Evan Felker? Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Every time I ask him what his weekend plans are, he says he's going to a concert of a band that... It's like his new favorite band. And he acts like we should all know who they are. I don't act like you should all know who they are. I just say them. You're like, dude, come on. Future Birds? They've been my favorite band for hours now. I like music, man. I like bands.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
You know the Travis guy from Nectar House that you were... Oh, yeah. I was watching an old Caleb Presley video. He's buff as shit. Who is it?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
It's one of the guys on the dating show I hosted.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
And he is an interesting character. He was in an old, I was watching an old Caleb Presley video.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
I just recently found that and it was hilarious because I was not expecting that. Because he, I think, left, he's at Barstool or was? Caleb, yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
And so he posted some, like, goodbye video of, like, his greatest hits. Yeah. And it came on my thing. And then just, like, randomly, it was this guy who was on this dating show. And I was like, wait, what the fuck? And he's, like, super, like, wholesome. And this old video, he's like, yeah, my goal is to fuck as many girls as possible. I'm always fucked.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
He was like, it was a video about him about being, like, the fuck guy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Are we going, Lauren? Play date, episode 99. J.J. Watt. Wayne Gretzky.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
He's, like, the biggest fuck boy at UT. Got it. It was sick. What was that experience like? Hosting? Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
It was, like, funny. It was the thing where they're all so much, like, stronger than me. Every single guy. And, like, most of the girls.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
So, it's like, if stuff, if the shit hits the fan, like, you wouldn't be able to corral them. They all seem pretty nice, though.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Oh, no, yeah, everyone's nice. They also talk to each other.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Wait, what? Forgive my ignorance here. What was Nectar House?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Okay, so I, you know Nectar, the channel?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
No. He doesn't watch. Do you know, like, Jubilee? I've heard the name.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
I love their videos. It's like swiping in real life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
So I'm the host of the dating shows that they do on their second channel, Nectar.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Yeah, and they're usually like big swiping in real life videos and stuff. This one, we rented a house for three days. And it was like a little Love Island type thing.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
And it was six boys and six girls. Can we get on the next one? They're casting it right now. You should go on. You should, like, apply. I want to go on. You could, like, probably get on there. Or be in the running. I'm not involved with casting at all.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Well, we should apply to go on it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
But you two at the same time would get confusing.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Yeah, it'd be funny. It'd be funny.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Well, they would definitely be, like, you guys would be set up to, like, go on dates. With each other?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Probably. So we just pick more podcasts.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Well, they had a brother and sister, so I guess there are like platonic stuff in there.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Are you guys brother and sister? I could see that, honestly.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Okay, I just thought of something from a long, long time ago. Are you related to Maya Coet by chance?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
You know anyone else who's number 99?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Wait, what a crazy stab in the dark. What made you think that?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
I just like had a random memory of like a long time ago, like seeing like one of your videos pop up and my sister was like, oh, I think my friend Maya was like related to him. It was just a random.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Aaron Judge. Or a 99-year-old. No, isn't he?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Wait, can I see a picture? I don't know.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Is this like a famous person?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
No, no, no. My friend's sister. I just like thought of it. I can. I'll just show you after. I can't.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
Let's do it. I will say no, though.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we auditioned for a reality dating show w/ nut
He is. Maybe they know each other. Yeah, maybe. My dad's 70.