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The rebels turned rulers providing law and order in Syria

Mon, 16 Dec 2024

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Syria's new rulers pledge to protect minority Alawite community in Latakia after recent attacks. Also: Germany’s chancellor loses vote of confidence, and hundreds of new species are found in Mekong in south east Asia.

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0.089 - 3.495 Catherine Cracknell

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3.936 - 23.442 Alex Ritson

This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Alex Ritson, and in the early hours of Tuesday 17th December, these are our main stories. We report from the Syrian port city of Latakia, where the rebels, who are now the de facto rulers, are providing law and order.

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23.902 - 47.161 Alex Ritson

Germany's embattled Chancellor Olaf Scholz loses a vote of confidence in Parliament, triggering the early elections he wants. France's President Macron will fly to Mayotte to oversee the relief operation after Cyclone Chido. Also in this podcast, the businessman and close confidant of Prince Andrew, who's accused of spying for China, has been named.

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47.702 - 52.686 Alex Ritson

And hundreds of new species have been discovered in the Mekong region in Southeast Asia.

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53.006 - 63.455 Mark Wright

Every time we look, every time we take the time and patience to peer under a rock, look behind a tree and so on, we find new things. And to me, that's part of the excitement, that's part of the joy of living on this planet.

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66.274 - 83.682 Alex Ritson

We start in Syria where just nine days since the fall of President Bashar al-Assad the people continue to celebrate their newfound freedom. There were celebrations also in the port city of Latakia. But Bashar al-Assad and most of his military and intelligence staff were Alawites.

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84.182 - 107.26 Alex Ritson

and following recent attacks, some members of Latakia's minority Alawite community say they're now too scared to leave their homes. Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, or HTS, Syria's new de facto rulers, have pledged to protect everyone. Its fighters are patrolling Latakia's streets to try to curb any violence. From there, our Middle East correspondent Quentin Somerville sent this report.

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109.841 - 134.419 Quentin Somerville

It's hard really to do justice to the sense of bewilderment that's being felt about how quickly the Assad regime has fallen and the rebels have taken over this country. And that bewilderment is felt most sharply here in the Alawite heartland, the former Assad stronghold of Latakia. I'm walking right now past the statue of Hafez al-Assad. It's just his boots remaining.

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134.479 - 152.112 Quentin Somerville

The rest was pulled down by protesters. Where it stands now, there is the new Syrian flag with the green banner and the three stars rather than two. It's a transformation. I'm walking along here among the crowd with his two sons. Ismazim, hello.

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152.591 - 165.42 Mazem

Hello, nice to meet you. We feel freedom after years of terror. No democracy. All peoples of Syria dream to reach this day.

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165.9 - 167.782 Quentin Somerville

And what do you think about the Assad family?

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168.142 - 169.723 Mazem

Could you delete this question?

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170.239 - 196.92 Quentin Somerville

When I turned my microphone off, Mazem had more to say. The Assads were terrible people, he said, but he pointed to his two sons. He said, you don't understand the terror we were under here. I couldn't even tell my sons the truth for fear that they would make a mistake and would be revealed for criticising them. It's worth remembering the Assad's rule by fear, even over their own supporters.

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196.96 - 223.691 Quentin Somerville

They said there would be massacres here in Latakia if they ever lost power. Well, instead, around me there are celebrations. A big crowd gathering just as prayers end in celebration of this astonishing victory. This was a regime that was so venal, so corrupt, that even its supporters suffered. The Alawites too are some of the poorest people in Syria.

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224.151 - 250.059 Quentin Somerville

So there's a real sense of joy here today, but there's also an undercurrent of fear. Some haven't even left their homes since the regime change because they worry that there will be a reckoning and that they will have to pay a heavy price for the support of the old regime. This is Latakia's military intelligence branch, perhaps the most feared place in the city. It's in a bit of a state now.

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250.119 - 275.143 Quentin Somerville

The portraits of Bashar al-Assad have been torn down. There's one on the floor. They've even removed the eyes. Locals would avoid passing the gates of here. It was so feared. Now, in this courtyard, our young men, they're HTS fighters. They're now the law here. A woman's made a complaint to the police. She says that her apartment has been stolen from her.

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275.163 - 302.067 Quentin Somerville

We've just arrived at this pretty upscale neighbourhood. It's an Alawite neighbourhood. The woman who made the complaint is now back inside. Her apartment was requisitioned by one of the Sunni rebel groups, not HTS, a commander. He's now been told to give it back, but that gives you a sense, really, of the sectarian tensions which are simmering here in Latakia.

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302.387 - 314.713 Quentin Somerville

Noor, the owner, tells me that while one nightmare has ended in Syria, for Alawites, another has just begun. Do Alawites feel safe in Latakia?

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315.113 - 333.964 Noor

Before, we knew who to be scared of certain people. Now, we don't even know who we should be scared of. We knew who to avoid or speak about. Even with HTS intervening to return my apartment, it's impossible for me to live here again. I do have hope, but not in the near future. I don't dare.

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336.579 - 359.88 Alex Ritson

Noor, an Alawite in the Takia, ending that report by Quentin Somerville. Syria's central bank has reportedly retained nearly 26 tonnes of gold worth more than $2 billion. The Reuters news agency quoted officials as saying the vaults had been left unscathed by looters after the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad. With the details, here's Lippa Capellum.

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360.501 - 387.639 Lippa Capellum

Before the Syrian civil war began in 2011, the country's central bank held 25.8 tons of gold and $14 billion in foreign currency. While the amount of gold remains almost the same, the cash reserves have all but gone. Just $200 million are left. Syrian officials said the Assad regime, which had been under international sanctions, increasingly used the cash to fund food, fuel and fighting.

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388.019 - 395.01 Lippa Capellum

It's also been reported that Bashar al-Assad had airlifted into Moscow a quarter of a billion dollars in banknotes.

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396.004 - 418.048 Alex Ritson

Lipika Pelham. Germany wasn't scheduled to have its next general election until September 2025, but it's been called early next February after the Chancellor Olaf Scholz lost a parliamentary confidence vote. His defeat was expected when his governing coalition collapsed last month after a row over spending in a deepening economic crisis.

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418.468 - 427.213 Alex Ritson

Opinion polls suggest gains for the opposition conservatives in those February elections. Jürgen Hart is an MP from the conservative Christian Democrats.

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427.733 - 444.822 Jürgen Hart

The Chancellor missed the majority in the Deutsche Bundestag, and in Germany the political system is that a Chancellor always needs a majority in the Deutsche Bundestag, otherwise he is a lame duck. He cannot take decisions, he cannot bring through law, and therefore especially the budget for 2025, which is a crucial point now.

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445.672 - 452.679 Alex Ritson

Olaf Scholz had made it clear he wanted to lose the confidence vote, as I heard from our Berlin correspondent, Damian McGuinness.

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453.119 - 471.256 Damian McGuinness

It is a bit counterintuitive, but essentially it's the only way, according to the German constitution, to spark early elections. It's a rule set up after the Second World War, when the modern German constitution was written, in order to prevent the sort of instability we saw during the Weimar Republic before the Second World War.

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471.556 - 494.135 Damian McGuinness

So what we've seen so far, really, since the governing coalition collapsed in November, Chancellor Schultz has led a minority government. And what that means in practice is that he can't pass any laws without the support of the opposition Conservatives. So the only way out of that for him is to have early elections, which will now take place ordinarily on February 23rd.

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494.315 - 513.253 Damian McGuinness

But is Chancellor Schultz not reading the opinion polls? Well, that is a big question. I mean, he appears to believe that he can win a second term as chancellor. But as you say, Alex, his poll ratings are absolutely terrible. His government was unpopular. His personal ratings are really poor. But he does have a few slight chances.

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513.373 - 534.037 Damian McGuinness

One of them is a lot of things can happen over the next month or two. A lot of voters say they don't know who to vote for and a lot of voters are very undecided. Also, the loyalty to particular parties is very weak at the moment. There's a lot of dissatisfaction with politics. There's various upstart parties. The far-right AFD is doing pretty well.

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534.477 - 551.641 Damian McGuinness

And there's a new upstart left-wing populist party, an anti-migrant nativist party, quite a radical party. But that's also creating a bit of uncertainty. So you've got more parties than ever. You've got a more radical debate than ever. You've got more voters who are uncertain than ever about who they're going to choose.

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552.421 - 570.298 Damian McGuinness

And the other saving grace that Olaf Scholz potentially has is that his main rival, the conservative leader Friedrich Merz, is also, frankly, pretty unpopular with voters. So I think Olaf Scholz is probably hoping that Friedrich Merz would say something objectionable, which would put off undecided voters.

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570.798 - 579.282 Alex Ritson

And as you indicated, it could go very differently, couldn't it? Because the far-right AFD, Alternative for Deutschland, are polling pretty well.

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579.562 - 599.793 Damian McGuinness

It has to be said with the AFD, they're not going to get into government. No one is going to work with them because they're seen as so toxic. And some parts of the party have been deemed by courts as undemocratic, even anti-democratic. That annoys some parts of the electorate, though, doesn't it? Obviously, for AFD voters, yes, they would say, well, it's just the system working against us.

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600.753 - 620.468 Damian McGuinness

But if the AFD do really well, it's going to make it even more difficult to form a stable coalition because you either need more partners who are more likely to disagree with each other, or you're going to have very unusual coalitions where people are going to find it hard to agree. And the difficulty is Germany has to make some difficult decisions which are going to be unpopular with people.

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620.488 - 625.572 Damian McGuinness

And to do that, you need quite an assertive, united government to push through some quite radical measures.

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625.993 - 648.215 Alex Ritson

Damien McGuinness. Hundreds of adoring fans gathered at Chennai Airport in India to welcome home their teenage chess sensation who last week was crowned world champion. In doing so, the 18-year-old grandmaster, Gukesh Tomaraju, became the youngest person ever To hold the title. From Delhi, our South Asia correspondent Samira Hussain reports.

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652 - 678.87 Samira Hussain

Screaming fans mob Chennai International Airport to welcome home Gukesh Damaraju. At just 18 years old, he has smashed the record for the youngest world chess champion, set in 1985 by a 22-year-old Garry Kasparov. On Thursday, Gukesh beat the defending champion, China's Ding Liren, in Singapore. The match was tied with just a game remaining before Ding made a blunder which shocked the chess world.

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683.745 - 684.026 Gukesh Damaraju

What?

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685.146 - 693.532 Samira Hussain

With the title came almost £2 million in prize money. Certainly a career high, but the new champion has his sights set on greatness.

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694.233 - 710.504 Gukesh Damaraju

Although this is a big achievement and I know it comes at a very young age, I think that there's still a very, very long way to go. And my goal is to keep enjoying chess and to have a very long career and hopefully one day to become the best player in the world.

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711.417 - 724.463 Samira Hussain

Gukesh became a grandmaster at 12 years old. His parents, both doctors, put their careers on hold to support their son. India is home to 85 grandmasters, many of whom are not yet old enough to drive.

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725.003 - 734.567 Alex Ritson

Samira Hussain. Still to come, the island in the Venice Lagoon reborn by the city's new flood defences.

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734.947 - 740.55 Giovanni Cecconi

The barrier is helping nature to build up. So how can you say it is bad?

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750.049 - 771.105 Alex Ritson

President Emmanuel Macron has said he'll travel to the devastated French Indian Ocean Territory of Mayotte in the coming days after it was hit by winds of over 220 kilometres an hour at the weekend. People living in Mayotte say the French Indian Ocean Territory is unrecognisable following Cyclone Chido. Rachel Wright compiled this report.

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774.518 - 797.103 Rachel Wright

A woman with an orange scarf tied around her hair shouts across a car park at a man surrounded by French police. He is Bruno Retailleau, and he's the French interior minister, because despite being nearly 8,000 kilometres away, these islands are actually part of France. He had just arrived on the island with two other French ministers and hundreds of French troops.

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797.443 - 800.587 Dan Jarvis

The woman says a lot of people here are dying and she expects more from people in authority.

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800.607 - 837.703 Rachel Wright

The minister replies that's why he is here, to help. Despite the woman being upset, she politely thanks the minister as he turns to meet local police, security and emergency teams. The sights that await him are apocalyptic. Saturday's cyclone saw winds of more than 220 kilometres per hour, the worst storm here in 90 years.

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841.411 - 847.198 Rachel Wright

This man, John Ballos, who lives in the capital, Mamadzou, said he was surprised he wasn't among the dead.

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851.103 - 876.697 John Ballos

It was the wind, the wind blowing, and I was panicked. I screamed, we need help, we need help. I was screaming because I could see the end coming for me. It hit us here, straight in the face, and to be honest, it was a complete disaster. Lots of houses and even towns are wiped out, especially the slums, because for the houses made of bricks, it's just the roofs that went.

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877.242 - 898.18 Rachel Wright

Around 84% of the people on these islands live below the poverty line. Many of them are migrants who have come from the west coast of Africa, hoping to get to Europe. The islands are densely populated and a third of people live in shanty towns, which the winds ripped through, destroying buildings and cutting off water, communication and electricity.

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898.94 - 909.651 Rachel Wright

The island's prefect said it was possible that thousands of people had died, but that it would take days before they knew how many. These survivors were queuing up to buy food and water.

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909.791 - 920.903 Unnamed Survivor 1

We've come to get something to eat for the kids, for us adults, for everybody. We've got nothing left. The wind's taken it all away. We had stocked up, but the wind took it all away.

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922.843 - 930.845 Unnamed Survivor 2

We've had no water for three days now, so it's starting to be a lot. We're trying to get the bare minimum to live on because we don't know when the water will come back on.

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931.126 - 940.528 Rachel Wright

Earlier today, Eric Samvar, the deputy head of the Red Cross in another French island in the Indian Ocean, told the BBC how difficult it was to bring in help.

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940.888 - 960.05 Eric Samvar

Only military aircraft can land in Mayotte for now. I believe yesterday, three small flights have been able to take some medical teams and civil protection teams from La Réunion to Mayotte. And there is a bigger aircraft that will go today. And we hope that the capacity will increase in the coming days.

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960.31 - 967.258 Rachel Wright

But the French authorities say they're stepping up the search for survivors and mobilising support and resources to the island.

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967.858 - 977.109 Alex Ritson

Rachel Wright. Julian Marshall spoke to Salama Ramia, herself a native of Mayotte, who represents the territory in the French Senate in Paris.

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977.888 - 992.543 Salama Ramia

Today, we don't have no water, no electricity, and even no connection. No one in Mallorca can reach anyone else. The phone is not working. Mine is working because I have one from France.

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992.944 - 1003.936 Julian Marshall

So what happened to all those people who were living in those small houses, with corrugated iron roofs. What's happened to them?

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1004.457 - 1032.803 Salama Ramia

The search just began today. France have sent the plane study coming for the flight with the help with medicine, with everything. So the searches are just starting today. But we think that there will be many people. We told people before the cyclone that if they were not safe in their house, they could come to those houses. But most of them didn't come.

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1033.524 - 1040.269 Salama Ramia

And so as we don't see them today, we're supposing that most of them, unfortunately, things happen to them.

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1040.874 - 1045.337 Julian Marshall

Have you any idea at all how many people have been killed?

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1045.637 - 1069.253 Salama Ramia

Today, the one officially is 11 people. But the problem is that we are a Muslim island. So in the religion, people must be buried as fast as possible. But we're supposing that, like you said, the government is supposing more than 1,000. But those are suppositions. We're waiting.

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1069.83 - 1074.934 Julian Marshall

So what is the most pressing need for people in Mayotte at the moment?

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1075.414 - 1105.834 Salama Ramia

The urgency for me today is water and food. And then, of course, is electricity, because we are in the dark. We don't have any water, water to drink first, but also water for the houses, for everything. So people came from France, so they're helping to open the road. Security, we have the army who are starting to arrive. So those two things are okay.

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1106.275 - 1128.123 Alex Ritson

Salama Ramia. The identity has been revealed of a Chinese businessman at the centre of spying allegations in the UK who had links to King Charles's brother, Prince Andrew. Yang Tung Bao had previously been known only as H6 because of an anonymity order. On Monday, he gave up his challenge to the lifting of that order. allowing himself to be named.

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1128.543 - 1150.337 Alex Ritson

He was banned from the UK last year by a national security court. Mr Yang has denied breaking the law and said the claim that he was a spy was entirely untrue. The Rao hasn't just embarrassed a royal, but raised questions once again about Chinese state activity in Britain. In Parliament, the Interior Minister, Dan Jarvis, gave this statement about Mr Yang.

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1150.933 - 1171.416 Dan Jarvis

The Special Immigration Appeals Commission concluded that there was a basis for the conclusion that H6 had been in a position to generate relationships with prominent UK figures which could be leveraged for political interference purposes by the Chinese Communist Party, including the United Front Work Department and the Chinese state.

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1172.037 - 1193.014 Alex Ritson

The headlines are especially damaging for the royal family. They always like to appear together on Christmas Day when they go to church at their Sandringham estate. But after Mr Yang's name was revealed, royal sources said that Prince Andrew wouldn't spend Christmas with the king as is customary. Catherine Cracknell heard more about Mr Yang from our political correspondent, Rob Watson.

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1193.564 - 1209.832 Rob Watson

Well, you know that he's 50 years old. He first came to the UK in 2002 to study English. He then got permanent leave to remain in the UK. In other words, he was living here. And what he says he was doing was promoting business contacts between the UK and between China.

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1209.872 - 1228.944 Rob Watson

But what he was accused of by Britain's intelligence agencies, and this was upheld by a court, that he was, in fact, part of a broader Chinese espionage effort intended at, if you like, influencing China. the view of China here in the UK. But he has now come out, as it were, in order to say that's absolute nonsense.

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1229.345 - 1236.651 Rob Watson

You know, he is a legitimate business, and he's just sort of fallen foul of a change in political climate between the UK and China since 2013.

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1238.433 - 1241.857 Catherine Cracknell

So what do you think the implication is for Sino-British relations?

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1242.097 - 1257.314 Rob Watson

Well, on the face of it, Catherine, the implication is that it should complicate efforts by the still new-ish Labour government here to improve relations between London and Beijing. But Sir Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, seems to be sticking to the idea of a policy reset and has said...

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1257.754 - 1271.59 Rob Watson

Yep, while he's concerned about China, he still believes it's perfectly possible to engage with China and cooperate on economics and issues such as climate change, while at the same time challenging it on security and human rights.

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1271.79 - 1277.357 Catherine Cracknell

Because the opposition Conservative Party have accused the government of sort of cosying up to the Chinese government.

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1277.645 - 1295.031 Rob Watson

Yes. So what the Conservatives are saying is that it's just not realistic to say that you can somehow have your cake and eat it with China, that you can have good economic relationship while being the subject of what nobody is disputing on either side is a pretty intensive espionage effort by China.

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1295.171 - 1298.692 Catherine Cracknell

And there's an impact on Prince Andrew as well. So what does it mean for him?

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1299.312 - 1320.726 Rob Watson

Well, his reputation, to put it mildly, Catherine, is already pretty much rock bottom, both within the royal family and beyond. But it sinks a little further as a result of this. And I think that explains why we're hearing from palace sources that he's going to be making himself pretty scarce at Christmas and not appearing in those sort of royal family public appearances.

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1321.207 - 1343.148 Rob Watson

I guess there's some suggestions that perhaps King Charles should have been a bit more ruthless in how he dealt with his younger brother, Prince Andrew. And I guess it also to some extent raises questions about, you know, just how do you mix royalty with diplomacy and trade promotion without occasionally getting yourself tied in some pretty horrible knots. Rob Watson.

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1344.249 - 1366.293 Alex Ritson

A lot has been said in recent years about the plight of the celebrated Italian city of Venice gradually sinking underwater. But it seems Venice's flood barriers installed four years ago to protect against storm surges are also helping to preserve the lowest-lying island in the lagoon. Bacchan, a sandbank previously only above the waterline in the summer...

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1366.733 - 1377.877 Alex Ritson

has sprouted vegetation and now exists year-round. It's a favourite spot for locals. Giovanni Cecconi, an engineer who worked on Venice's storm surge barriers, is also a fan.

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1378.658 - 1398.25 Giovanni Cecconi

Bacana is very wide because it is two kilometres by one. And the definition over the last century started to go there because it's a very close beach. It's a nice place to go out of the crowd with the family, do the picnic. So it's kind of a central park.

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1398.63 - 1403.815 Catherine Cracknell

And why is Bacan now existent all year round? Why has it changed?

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1404.475 - 1433.038 Giovanni Cecconi

Because of the vegetation. The vegetation has produced an accretion of the shoals that now is above the maximum water level. And their business is to make the soil stable. And they are pretty well in doing that. And of course, who made this job? It is the barrier, the storm surge barrier, because the storm surge barrier contributed in channeling the flow, making it higher.

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1433.459 - 1440.804 Giovanni Cecconi

The increased velocity is able to transport more sand. It makes the difference, a huge difference.

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1441.564 - 1444.766 Catherine Cracknell

Do scientists think this is a good thing or a bad one?

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1445.487 - 1473.691 Giovanni Cecconi

For sure it is a nice thing because it increases the biodiversity. If you have an intertidal submerged vegetation with... and then you have a beach, and then you have a shore that ends up with an island. We call it island because it's above the maximum water level. Now it's much better because this will also improve the trapping capacity of the system.

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1474.491 - 1484.293 Giovanni Cecconi

Now we have to speak about the value of the barrier that in a way has tilted the dice in order to make the accretion more likely to occur.

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1484.653 - 1490.314 Catherine Cracknell

But isn't that a problem that it's not a natural change? It's one partly caused by this man-made barrier.

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1491.135 - 1527.072 Giovanni Cecconi

The barrier is not producing directly the island. It's helping nature to build up. Nature is a natural engineer. Life needs soil. Soil with a certain property of humidity, nutrients, sun. And in order to get that proper combination, nature is spreading around the plant in this case, but also the clumps, a lot of seeds, thousands, in order to succeed in surviving. So how can you say it is bad?

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1527.901 - 1553.093 Alex Ritson

Giovanni Cecconi speaking to Paul Henley. A rock-dwelling dragon and a viper with eyelash-style scales are among 234 new species of plants and animals discovered by scientists in the Greater Mekong region of Southeast Asia, according to the Worldwide Fund for Nature. Matthew Amarola-Waller heard more from Mark Wright, Special Advisor on Conservation Science at WWF-UK.

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1553.618 - 1572.397 Mark Wright

Every couple of years, we put out a report similar to this. In fact, a week ago, we put out another report that showed over 700 new species in the Congo. So for me, this is like Christmas has come early. It's a thousand new species, a thousand new ways that animals choose to live on this planet. And what I think it tells us is that despite the fact that we think we know everything,

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1572.637 - 1586.306 Mark Wright

We know this planet inside out. It simply isn't true. Every time we look, every time we take the time and patience to peer under a rock, look behind a tree and so on, we find new things. And to me, that's part of the excitement. That's part of the joy of living on this planet.

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1586.867 - 1591.35 Matthew Amarola-Waller

Tell me more about some of the things you found. The bat, the viper, for example.

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1591.63 - 1612.633 Mark Wright

So the viper, it's called an eyelash viper, and it's because they have an extra set of scales above their eye. We think that kind of helps break up their outline when they're moving amongst all the foliage and so on. Yeah, they're venomous, they're poisonous to people, and it lives in Thailand and Malaysia. The bat, this is a tiny bat, it's the size of a safety pin. And we know nothing about it.

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1612.653 - 1632.448 Mark Wright

We don't know where it roosts. It lives in some of these karst environments, these limestone environments. We think it lives in caves, but we really know very, very little about it. And then, of course, the lizard. That's this fantastic dragon named Lizard. It was found by someone like an adventure tour guide on a zip wire because these things have never been found on the ground.

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1632.788 - 1642.711 Mark Wright

They're found on these kind of steep cliffs. limestone rugged cliffs, but with fantastic camouflage. I mean, I take my hat off to him because even on the photographs, it's really hard to make it out.

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1643.412 - 1647.879 Matthew Amarola-Waller

Some of these new species, I'm told, are already under threat. Is that right?

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1648.658 - 1665.768 Mark Wright

I think that's right, because what we see in the Mekong is no different to what we're seeing everywhere else on the planet. I mean, we are really putting nature under the cosh. And that's for a number of reasons. We're changing the habitat for things like deforestation for food and so on. Or in the case of the lizard, it's in these limestone habitats.

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1665.868 - 1678.156 Mark Wright

And that limestone is being mined because it's a staple constituent of cement. So as we encroach more and more on these areas, as we take more and more of these resources, so these things are put under stress.

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1678.538 - 1706.69 Alex Ritson

Mark Wright. And that's all from us for now, but there'll be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. You can also find us on X at Global News Pod. This edition was produced by Judy Frankel and mixed by Caroline Driscoll. The editor is Karen Martin.

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I'm Alex Ritson. Until next time, goodbye.

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Yoga is more than just exercise. It's the spiritual practice that millions swear by. And in 2017, Miranda, a university tutor from London, joins a yoga school that promises profound transformation.

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It felt a really safe and welcoming space. After yoga classes, I felt amazing.

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But soon, that calm, welcoming atmosphere leads to something far darker, a journey that leads to allegations of grooming, trafficking and exploitation across international borders.

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I don't have my passport, I don't have my phone, I don't have my bank cards, I have nothing.

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The passport being taken, the being in a house and not feeling like they can leave.

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You just get sucked in so gradually.

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And it's done so skillfully that you don't realize. And it's like this, the secret that's there. I wanted to believe that, you know, that. Whatever they were doing, even if it seemed gross to me, was for some spiritual reason that I couldn't yet understand. Revealing the hidden secrets of a global yoga network. I feel that I have no other choice.

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The only thing I can do is to speak about this and to put my reputation and everything else on the line. I want truth and justice. And for other people to not be hurt, for things to be different in the future. To bring it into the light and almost alchemise some of that evil stuff that went on.

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And take back the power. World of Secrets, Season 6, The Bad Guru. Listen wherever you get your podcasts.

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