This week, Hunter and Peyton check in with the newest plot developments on The White Lotus and get to know the new cast of Real Housewives of Atlanta. And they’re joined by Haley Mlotek, author of the new divorce memoir “No Fault” to talk divorce trends over the years, the history of no fault divorce in America, and what it feels like to go through a divorce of your own.Be the first to know about Wondery’s newest podcasts, curated recommendations, and more! Sign up now at https://wondery.fm/wonderynewsletterListen to Lemme Say This on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new episodes on YouTube and listen to weekly exclusive bonus content by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/lemme-say-this/ now. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What are the latest developments in The White Lotus?
Chapter 2: How did Hawaii influence the podcast hosts?
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Oh my gosh, you look so good. Peyton, where have you been?
It's so funny you ask. It's so funny that I actually look really orange at the moment, but that is fine. I've been, yeah, in Hawaii. I'm looking tan. I'm looking good. I will say I'm stronger than the troops, though, because Hawaii was not just a vacation for me. No, no, no. Hawaii was a vacation for me. With my family, specifically with my mother.
To have a Scorpio mom and to have a Scorpio mom who insists you do like annual vacations together is a tall order, if you will. And most recently, we went to Hawaii. We go often. She used to work in Hawaii, so we would go for work, and now we just go for fun. And she had this great big idea to do a hike, 7 a.m. sunrise hike.
And I sent her all these suggestions from my friend Sarah, who grew up in Oahu. And links were there. Photos were there. We talked about it out loud. We talked about it on the record. Okay? We agreed to do a hike. We picked one. We chose it. We wake up 7 a.m. My mom decides, oh, actually, I think we should do a different hike. My brother and I are like, well, no, no, no, no. We agreed on this one.
Let's just go do it. We get we get to hike. There's a sign that's like hike at your own risk. So I find myself in a little pickle. But I say to my mom, attitude already at 100. And I'm like, mom, we talked about this. We talked about in person. It's here in the text. We agreed upon it. And Hunter, my mom, she looks me in the eye. Dead silence goes, that conversation didn't resonate with me.
That conversation didn't resonate with me. The thing she is doing with coffee.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. She shook the table. Your mom is Scarlett Johansson. Your mom said, actually, I don't want to be identified as being in this time and place with you. I eat the hike. Oh, I love it.
And then turned her ass around and went to the beach and left us.
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Chapter 3: What does Haley Mlotek's memoir reveal about divorce?
Yeah, yeah, no, we are famously a proto-divorce podcast. So I wanna start with more questions about you. Tell me about your separation and like the decision to write about it.
Yes, okay. My separation happened a really long time ago. Now it does feel still so recent because of course I've had to kind of stay in that time period as I was writing the book. And now talking about the butt. But yes, my, my story, I think like all couples stories is very individual. It's certainly not representative of what I think is average for a lot of people.
We were together for a very long time. We got together quite young. We lived together for many years and then decided to separate after one year of marriage and So all of those things I've noticed that when I speak to other people about their divorce, a lot of those elements are common, even if they're not necessarily similar.
And that was something that I think really was the starting point for why I wanted to write this book about divorce. Like in the book I write, it's this experience that's so common and yet it can never be ordinary. Yeah. I just think that is endlessly fascinating.
And then tell us about like writing about that and how your own separation became kind of like a launching point to talk about divorce culturally in media and entertainment.
Yeah.
I'm recommending divorce. That resonates. And that didn't end up happening. But my brilliant friend, the editor, Dana Tortorici, suggested maybe I just write that anyways for her at M plus one. And in the course of working with her, I actually started thinking about it seriously. I have a tendency to, you know, you've read the book, you've seen I can be a little opaque.
I prefer a bit of a punchline over directness. But that was when I really started to realize that this was my subject and this was my topic and my genre. And soon after that, that's when I really went fully into the book itself. Yeah.
And what was your understanding of divorce before your own divorce? How did you feel about it then? And did that change?
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Chapter 6: How does the podcast address the intersection of pop culture and personal experiences?
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Oh my gosh, you look so good. Peyton, where have you been?
It's so funny you ask. It's so funny that I actually look really orange at the moment, but that is fine. I've been, yeah, in Hawaii. I'm looking tan. I'm looking good. I will say I'm stronger than the troops, though, because Hawaii was not just a vacation for me. No, no, no. Hawaii was a vacation for me. With my family, specifically with my mother.
To have a Scorpio mom and to have a Scorpio mom who insists you do like annual vacations together is a tall order, if you will. And most recently, we went to Hawaii. We go often. She used to work in Hawaii, so we would go for work, and now we just go for fun. And she had this great big idea to do a hike, 7 a.m. sunrise hike.
And I sent her all these suggestions from my friend Sarah, who grew up in Oahu. And links were there. Photos were there. We talked about it out loud. We talked about it on the record. Okay? We agreed to do a hike. We picked one. We chose it. We wake up 7 a.m. My mom decides, oh, actually, I think we should do a different hike. My brother and I are like, well, no, no, no, no. We agreed on this one.
Let's just go do it. We get we get to hike. There's a sign that's like hike at your own risk. So I find myself in a little pickle. But I say to my mom, attitude already at 100. And I'm like, mom, we talked about this. We talked about in person. It's here in the text. We agreed upon it. And Hunter, my mom, she looks me in the eye. Dead silence goes, that conversation didn't resonate with me.
That conversation didn't resonate with me. The thing she is doing with coffee.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. She shook the table. Your mom is Scarlett Johansson. Your mom said, actually, I don't want to be identified as being in this time and place with you. I eat the hike. Oh, I love it.
And then turned her ass around and went to the beach and left us.
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