Peyton Dix
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Yeah. Motherhood, I guess. I think there were some points of escalation that didn't entirely work for me where it's like the vampires just kind of disappear at the end. It's like, oh, it's daybreak and they're all done. Well, that's classic. They don't know what kind of time they're on.
And I'm me, so I'm saying that. No, I've been on True Blood Time. Yeah, that's true. Okay. Okay. That's my man. Shout out to Bill. Oh, I was an Alex girl. I was an Alex Gershwin girl. Fair. Yeah.
Interesting. I did really like that Ryan Coogler, I think it was on Democracy Now! where he had a chance to take the wind out of the conversation in Vulture, in Deadline, in Variety, in The Hollywood Reporter. All the conversation about how he's gotten this really novel deal where in 25 years he will regain ownership of the movie.
Because every news story about how well Cynarys is performing is with the caveat that, oh, but it's not profitable yet. And I liked his answer. My deal is not novel. People have gotten these deals before. And I've only been making franchises. I wanted to own something for myself. And I may not seek this for the next movie that I make, but I wanted it for this one. And I thought that was like,
Wow. He feels like hometown hero.
No, I don't know. But I feel like a lot of people, like, she's not a black woman. I'm like, but you don't remember the one drop, really? Where were you during AP U.S. history? Where were you during Jim Carreira? Like, yeah, if her, what did she say, her, like, grandparent, one of her grandparents was black, they would have considered her black back in the day. And I consider her black right now.
No one watched Imitation of Life. Hello? Passing? No one watched Passing. No one watched Passing.
It was so good and people should have.
I'm so like, wow. That is so crazy of you. You would have taken the pitch. No, you would have absolutely tried to bring me outside and I'm feet planted in the word of the Lord. I'm saying no, no, no. I don't know. The times they was living in wasn't looking too great. I'm pulling on the full army of God to stay in that, to stay in that house, to stay in that juke joint.
You're vertical to his horizontal. How is that what you always think of? That's how I know you didn't grow up in the church. No. But I did really love the scene where that one guy looks like Forest Whitaker was like, invite me in. Invite me in. It's like, no. But even that scene, it's so campy.
I'm walking in everywhere first. I'm letting you walk in second and see what happens.
I was. I was. And yeah, it was. Okay. This is the thing. I love Renaissance. Yeah. But it's no Beachella. And I know you were there. So go ahead. Go ahead. I'm setting you up. Well, yes.
Totally. Which leads us to. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about Massachusetts. OK, I guess spoiler alert, if you planned to watch Body in the Snow but haven't watched it yet. Although, listen, the whole car ride to Disney, I was telling about what's going on with this case and people were like, I've got to lock in. Rachel and Hilton were like, you know what? You got me.
I'm going to press play on this because that's so crazy. Okay, so it's all covered in a Max miniseries called The Body in the Snow. That's five episodes, all in about 40 minutes. The quickest five hours of my life. I canceled my plans. I said, girl, I'm staying in. I can't go to Eagle Rock.
No, no. It was actually so fun and great because like, girl, when I pulled up to the Delta terminal, it was like Delta like gate 22. The one that's like right at the end of the hallway before you turn down the longest hallway at JFK. It's like the first gate that you see full of black people. Whole plane. It was truly, it was giving soul plane. If you remember soul plane.
Okay, so cast of characters here. Karen Reed, who was dating this Boston police officer named John. John O'Keefe. They go on like a bar crawl, then go to the afters. She drops him off at the afters.
They do go to the, they were out drinking. They drunk drive to the afters. And they do drunk drive to the afters. And she's like, all these people are cops. Everyone, we were out with our cops and they all like go out, drunk drive home and act like it's totally normal, which is crazy. Anyway, so they go to this house of the Albert family. Yeah. And John does not make it in the house.
He's out on the lawn, dead, a body in the snow. They say that she, when she dropped him off, backed into him in her Lexus SUV. Lexus, nice. Mm-hmm. She got money. Lexus SUV, and that he fell out, hit his head maybe, somehow died in the snow. Yeah. At the very end of the first episode. So, like, putting this plan, like, it seems like, you know, she was the last person to see him alive.
She discovered the body a couple hours later. Da-da-da. Yeah. Then her defense team, who also rep Kevin Spacey, crazy, gets a call saying you need to look at the people inside of the house. The call is coming from inside the house. Literally. And it's actually a Google search coming from inside the house. And a crazy one at that.
Hours before they discovered his body, someone at the afters inside the house Googled. Opened up Chrome. How long to die in the snow. And if you thought I didn't buckle my seatbelt twice, put on my parachute and say, sugar, we're going down.
Woo, white people are crazy. Am I more than you bargained for yet? That's a song, right?
You did well. You've told about many white weddings. I can tell. No, I don't play about them. So you locked in and what did you think? As I was watching it, I was like, okay, one side says that she killed him. Karen's side says it's an actual huge criminal conspiracy within the Boston Police Department. And at first I was like... Which I'm always going to believe. I was like... You know, maybe.
But everything else I learned, I was like, this is a frame. This is a frame up job. I felt that way.
And that she was calling him all night being like, where are you? Cursing him out over the phone. I'm with your kids. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, first of all, if she is trying to get away with a murder. Now, Viola Davis is telling her, don't leave yourself talking crazy on this man's voicemail.
Of course I remember soul plane. Like the BET Snoop Dogg movie from 2004. Yes, yes. The DEI pilot of my dreams, period. Oh my gosh. Talk about flight, Denzel. Soul plane walk so Denzel could soar. But it was literally like that. All black people on the flight going to Beyonce. I was like, we're all family here. Yes. People talk about I put on compression socks to go see my queen. I was like, wow.
And it was six. So it was going to be six within three hours. She's on your type of... Oh, I forgot. We're sober now. But she was on your type of time. She was like, well... That was me in Boston too. No, but the way that she describes it, that was when I was like, oh, this is... We're in for some... Someone got me a double and then we got a shot and then I put that shot in the double.
But the way she says it is like, well, yeah, technically, I guess I had six strings, but I got a double and then I got a single and I poured it in and I'm like, ooh. So I just went ahead and made it a triple.
But it's like, if one of these things were true, I'd be like, okay, maybe a coincidence. But all of these things being true of the defense in this? No, this is crazy to me. First, that the Google search happened, how long to die in the cold, happened hours before John's body died. would have been discovered. That's crazy.
That the woman who Googled this, who was inside the afters, had deleted the Google search, covering up her trail. That's crazy. That the marks on John's body were not consistent with vehicular manslaughter, not consistent by being hit by a car. He had scratches on his arm.
That's dope. You should have told me that.
Yeah. Hours after. So a few things about this, about collecting evidence at the scene. First of all, they put that icy blood in solo cups. Not even as an RA would we collect solo cups in that way. And we went through three days of training that was pretty bad. Anyway, they couldn't find any pieces of the taillight for the next month.
All of a sudden, a month later, all the ice in the snowstorm melts, and then they start finding a bunch of pieces of the taillight. That's giving plant. That's giving her industry plant. Okay. Okay. Then, it looks like the marks on John's body are consistent with a dog bite or dog scratches. The family inside the house used to have a dog. Oh, all of a sudden, it's rehomed. Wait.
Glaceration's on his face. Yes. Glaceration's the biblical name. The government name. of what it means to have cuts. And then this is the part that... Oh, okay. Meanwhile, later they like subpoena for the text of the investigator, like the lead investigator. Yeah. And he's talking about Karen crazy. He's like, she's hot but has no ass. He's like, she's crazy. He's like, I don't trust her.
But it was so crazy to be like in, you know, pretty white main like town square. Kind of and everyone, every black person you saw was like going to see Beyonce. Like people already wearing merch and stuff. I was like, wow. Every person I talked to, I was like, are you going to Beyonce? They're like, of course, are you? What do you think we're here for? It felt like a family reunion abroad.
She should kill herself. I'm like, what? Didn't they say they're trying to slut her up? Is that what... Yeah, that's what the attorney said, because they really were. I'm like, this is hours after he's assigned to the case that he's talking about her in this way to his high school friends. I'm like, you're blowing up your group chat. And because of all of those texts, he was fired.
So it's enough to have him fired from his job. These texts are so inappropriate and bad, but it's like fruit of the poisonous tree, as we call it on loan or SVU, that everything he's touched is now tainted because of his clear and present bias.
And then the really crazy part is that all the people inside the house, inside the afters, tell me how three different people butt dial John's phone all night. Wait, they claim that they butt dial it? There are calls from people in the house to John's cell phone, multiple calls of like 10 seconds, 20 seconds, 30 seconds. Why are you blowing up this man's phone 30 seconds at a time? What is that?
And all three of those people say, oh, we just happen to all butt dial him. And two of the people, it's like, are you Captain Underpants? And aren't these like lead police? Like these aren't just police, regular police officers. Yeah, and we'll get to it. And we'll get to it. Then two of the people are in it, like they're married and they're like, well, we were intimate.
Hunter crossing her arms right now. Oh my God. That's what that sound was. You're knocking boots in a bed and you're both butt-dialing the same man? And that makes sense to you? These people have never had sex before. That's not how it works. I feel like I'm Idris Elba on that one episode of The Wire. Are you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy? But also... You're leaving a paper trail?
Not only is there not any audio of her saying that, but her defense attorney is like, so, first of all, first you said that you heard her say it, that she killed him three times. Then you claimed it was two times. And I was saying it three times again, and it went from eight to six to four. So what? Cynthia Bailey, NeNe Leakes.
Real housewives. Yeah, you're learning my language. And then the other thing about the butt dials is that clearly it was like they were looking for his cell phone. And they were trying to listen for it and couldn't find it. So it's like all of these things, like I'm saying, one of these things, crazy. All of these things together, oh, no. Free my sister, Karen.
I have to ask, in the end of it, though, is anyone held accountable? I'm so glad you asked. The only person who's ever been held accountable in this is Karen. Because the... Case ends in real life in a mistrial. So they have to retry the entire case and it's happening right now. Oh. So they're retrying the entire case. Damn.
It was like really, really lovely.
I love, what am I, she said I love drama and I do. Jesus, Hunter's arms and legs are so crisp. Couldn't remember the Pythagorean theorem, but I can remember every detail of the Karen Reid case.
You're the teacher and I'm the student. My God. And I'm learning big time. I'll tell you that. So all I can say is, you know what? At the end of the day, the day going in, I'm going to be on court TV watching this. I don't even like true crime like that.
First Monday in May. You know what that means? Where were we that someone was like, when is the Met Gala? I was like, duh, the first Monday in May. I think we're in a production meeting for this podcast.
No, of course she will. I mean, oh my goodness.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, no, I'm very excited. But, you know, I'm messy like that. The Met Gala always reminds me of the anniversary of Ben Affleck's date of separation, their date of legal separation, which was the Challengers release day. And it was just after that that Ben Affleck was busy filming The Accountant 2 and couldn't show up to the Met Gala where Jayla was a co-chair.
Somehow, someway. Anyway, I am so excited because did you see the Vogue GQ collab photo shoot with everyone in black Hollywood except for us? Make it make sense. I was like, wow, this is like magazines can do things that like other types of media that like regular just influencer photo shoots can't. Like the styled by Law Roach, photographed by Tyler Mitchell. Featured who?
Spike Lee, Ayo Debris, Janelle Monae, your twin from Industry, John Batiste.
Tiana Taylor, that was one of my favorite looks too. Oh my god.
But I do think like Tiana Taylor and Tom Brown, like three years ago, two years ago, one of my favorite Mike Ella looks ever.
He does know how to wear a suit.
Now. He's always known how to wear a suit. It's just, does the suit know how to wear him?
Yeah. I'd also see like Cedric the Entertainer, all like the Kings of Comedy. Yes. I would love to see all of them on carpet because it feels like, because there is, I happened to rewatch the Kings of Comedy tour a couple months ago and it was like, wow, this is like such a
a feat of like presentation they're all like wearing their like sunday best to go to that show yeah and perform on that show and it's like oh that's so nice i did see a really lovely vogue story about like vogue writers and contributors like showing photos of like their fathers grandfathers uncles cousins and how like how they just like look suited and booted yeah i was like i am happy that like this is getting like this mainstream attention yeah and you know what the lesbians are gonna tear it up why do you think i started with queen latifah
That's something for you to unpack in therapy. It is, actually, maybe. But who else are you excited to see?
Yeah, I was about to say, that's every student who has a first period algebra class.
Oh, I mean, that was the best and also most profitable Met Gala exhibition of all time.
Oh, Zendaya in a suit. Yes. Oh, yes. You know, oh, Tyler, the creator. Oh, I can't wait to see him. Oh my god, that's a good one. I can't believe he's not a co-host. Maybe he's busy.
Keep her away. I don't know what Katy Perry's going to do. I don't know what JLo's going to do.
Yeah, I was about to say, you're not three years old. In some communities. You lied about your age too many times. Don't bring that up. That was private. I hated that you were there for the scene of the crime. I'm so happy I was there for that. Okay, no, I'm so glad you brought it up because we have to talk. Yeah. Because, first of all, I get added to a group chat called Disney Adults.
Not too much on the high ponytail. Do you think Beyonce's going to be there? I mean, I'm sure she's really busy. No. Oh, you know who I do want to see? Simone Biles. I'm excited for her look. I saw her on a carpet talking about how she was so looking forward to it and that she had something big planned, and so I'm excited for that.
Who was going to be the Luann de Lesseps showing up to the Roni, what was that, season like 11 or 12 Halloween party when she dressed up fully in blackface as Diana Ross? And she said, no, I just had a big bronze that night. A big bronze? Something crazy like that. Who was going to do something that's like, oh, wow.
If there's one event for her to dress like Chingy, it's this one.
She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Do it. Ten toes down, Billie. She is going to look. Okay, I'm not going to say it.
Well, now that we've come to the end of the road. Say, say. Did you watch Out of the Box? Yeah, of course. Goodbye, goodbye to you, my friend.
Oh, now it's a crime to be long-winded on this podcast? Right. What we're getting at is that this is the end of season one.
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With all eight people who are going our eight-person jaunt to Disneyland. Yep. Why was I getting claimed in the group chat? So I put in my calendar Disneyland from, you know, a cool 11 o'clock in the morning to a very sweet and kind 4 p.m. I said, I'm giving you most of the working hours of the day. I'm giving you most of my business hours. You're working on the weekend. She had to go to Erewhon.
Yeah. And I get roasted. You said, oh, girl, we're going until 10 o'clock at least. At the earliest. If we leave 10 o'clock, that's clocking out a little bit early. Disney is an all-day event. If you've been before, you know that. Then I get a side text. I get a sidebar. You want to fall back? Go ahead. No hard feelings. I gave her a no.
But be prepared for lines, children, loud noises, crowds, fried food, and I don't want to hear an attitude about it. And is that not being a good friend? I said, know thyself and know thy sister with an attitude. No. And let's keep going on the good friend allegations because then we're pulling up to Disney. Oh. And I look at someone's location. Oh, no.
Well, I was like. Until an hour later. Hold on. My phone must be broken because we're pulling up to Disney and it's showing her location is damn near LACMA. Yeah. And then we looked at your close friends and you were all cozy up. No, no, no, no, no. Not on the pod. And Hilton said, see you soon. Hilton responded to your story saying, see you soon? Question mark. You better be in the car?
That's not why we were on time. I was on time because I said, it's my sister's birthday. And she's texted me four different times telling me to be on time. I said, we're on black church hours. To be early is to be on time.
This is a mess. I don't go here.
Well, okay, but you forgot. He told us five minutes. And then five minutes later, he came back and said, it's going to be just five more minutes. I said... Timer's been started. And he said, start a timer. I said, okay, great. Timer's been started. Lewis was like, what do we win, though, if we just sit here longer?
I said, you got two minutes and 17 seconds, 16 seconds, 15 seconds. And then he got us in. Shout out to Matthew, though. He was on a different type of time. Matthew was. I was like, poor. And then Louis saying, Matthew has no pull. I was like, don't say it loud enough so Matthew can hear. He's working on our behalf. No, I mean, he couldn't do shit for us. But my man, my man, my man. We love you.
What are we talking about this week? Oh, we're talking about your community, sinners. Hell yeah. And the start of the Karen Reid trial in Massachusetts. When I tell you... Get me some Dunkin' Donuts because I'm locked in on this Massachusetts drama. And then we're talking about the Met Gala. Yeah. Little Met Gala preview. Heard of it. So let me just say this. Let me say this.
Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions?
I'm so excited to talk about Sinners. Oh, God. Yes, it's so good. I saw it when I was in Tulsa in IMAX. Thank God. Yeah. My dad saw it separately from me. And my dad, who famously called Wild, the movie where Reese Witherspoon does all that walking. He said, I thought it was gonna be a church movie. He said, I didn't know it was gonna be a horror movie.
I didn't know there were gonna be vampires there. I was like, so why did you go see it? Yeah. Did he like it? He was like, I was very surprised. He liked it, but he kept saying, I was very surprised. I was very surprised when there were vampires there. I was very surprised when it didn't turn churchy. I was like, oh, Lord.
Anyway, spoiler alert, if you haven't watched Sinners yet, skip forward 15 minutes because we will be getting into it today. I love it. I liked it. Do you want to get the logline?
She actually might have given birth.
And my man's career, according to me, was in shambles when he was in People's Sexiest Man Alive 2020. Wow. That was a low moment for us all. He just he was like over indexing on like the cornball scale. He was like giving like. Wait, not the year of the race war. I know. I know. He really fell on his sword.
A little gal called Beyonce Giselle Knowles-Carter. Yeah.
I don't think that was PR. I think it was. No, I think they just are both pretty, like, dull people. No offense. No offense. But anyway, well, no, I'm just saying. But the thing is that now he's back. Yeah. Now we're so back. Now I'm, like, I'm so locked in. I'm, like, we're back to, like, him working with Ryan Coogler. Something important happens there. Ryan Coogler, who, ugh, sexy. Sexy.
You need to, thick old, talk about it. He's thick. Thick. Thick. Anyway, I love Michael B. Jordan in this. That pregnant pause. I thought I was. Literally, that pregnant pause. Pregnant pause. Pregnant pause. Pregnant pause. Get out the clear blue. That pause was so pregnant. Wait. Oh, you really... I know.
Okay, back to the story. Yes. I loved Sinners. Yeah. I think my favorite part was, like, how precisely Michael B. Jordan played the two twin brothers, Smoke and Stack. One of them was hotter than the other. You can draw your own conclusions. However, it was Stack... I want to be clear on that.
But no, I was like, wow, I forgot that he was such a good actor and like has really always been pretty talented. Because you know what? I was throwing dirt on his name when he was on the New York Times list of like top performers of the century. I was like, that's a little bit too much. But now after Sinners, I said he deserved his spot.
Well, yes, but we've been so far from that. It was like, you know, a good performance, but I was like, eh.
Opening night. Opening night. I don't know why I thought it was yesterday for some reason. See, you play about her. Oh. And that's why I play about you. Oh.
I mean, Lola Kirk, that is my... What? You are so... You were the only person in America who walks out of Sinners and you're like, don't play about my girl. Don't play about my girl. And it's Lola Kirk. And listen, I love Mistress of America as much as the next woman. But still, that's so crazy. I also love her little folk music that she posts on her Instagram. Me too. That's why I love her.
But that's not my top thought when I walk out of Sinners. No, not my top thought. My top thought is arm. And my second top thought is... Pussy. Other arm.
We're on Google. What are you trying to say? I saw that tweet that was like, sinners is a movie for eaters. And I said, oh, it can't be. And I was like, oh, for sure. They're really, they said napkin in. No, fuck the napkin. Napkin is on it. I haven't felt like, sinners is so horny that it's like, it reminds me of WAP. Yeah. Get a bucket and a mop.
And it's horny in this way that's not like true blood horny. It's like, or maybe it is. It's a little over the top. It's a little true blood. But it's back to like, not since Challengers have I seen a movie that's so like actually sexy. Yeah. With a real sense of like purpose in its sexiness. Yeah. Which, you know, like a movie like Enora about a sex worker doesn't really have.
Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. One scene in Sinners that gets a lot of attention that I think is kind of like the thesis and bedrock of the movie is the scene where Preacher Boy, Sammy, is like playing the blues in the juke joint. And then we get like it's like he's conjuring all of these spirits of like black past and black futures. We get like 80s rap sort of mix a lot kind of. We get like tribal music.
We get like Native American like music. What did you think of that scene? You found a cornball?
No, the voiceover was at the very beginning. That kind of set the mood for how there are people who can live and conjure two separate realities at once.
Wow. Geez. Sorry. Like, sit down. No, I love it. He's like, nope, Peyton. Relax. Just calm down. It's just a movie. Relax. No, I really liked that scene. Oh, really? I thought it was... I thought it went on for a little bit too long. Yeah. But I think it really... I don't know.
I think that Ryan Coogler has this way of like playing toward the cinema goer, but like also playing to like a populist end. And that he has like those, I think like David Fincher kind of has the same quality too. And Steven Soderbergh as well, where it's like you really, what a deft filmmaker who can make something that is incredibly entertaining, but also really thoughtful and artistic.
When did we almost go to Renaissance together?
I thought that scene, it went on for a like it as like a thesis statement for the movie that is really about like straddling two worlds that happens with like the literal vampires also with like the actual racism And double consciousness of that. But I did. I think I felt how you were feeling with the post credit scene. Right. That one felt like, OK, we're putting a hat on top of a hat.
But she said I forgot already. So two years ago, I went to Renaissance opening night in Stockholm. Yeah. And I reviewed it for New York Magazine. And it was maybe one of the more chaotic weeks of my life. I went from... I think I went from Kansas to Stockholm and then back to Kansas to pick up Remy. I became a mother. Nine months pregnant at Renaissance World Tour opening night. Holding that baby.
queen. So funny. So she was the payday advance like teller, bank teller. I don't know. But she was so funny. And so when she's laughing at the credit score, I was like, however, let me say this. When she laughed at the credit score in my theater, silent. No one laughed at all. I was like, so there's some learnings that need to be done.
This is only for football? Does Philly have a... Oh, the 76ers. Duh.
And when she comes back at the end, And two, they're like, I just don't like her attitude. Listen, if you've ever hated a bitch for no reason, this is a movie for you. What else? I thought that SZA's boyfriend in this was hot. Of course.
But at the same time, you didn't. They probably laughed an appropriate amount. Yeah, actually, they were fine.
That's not what I said at all.
No, I was only for football or for basketball, too. And I remember the Philadelphia 76ers made famous from Uncut Gems.
Whenever she's like, you want to marry me? So bad. I was like, oh, that's you and me.
Were you grinding at least? I am from Tulsa, Oklahoma. No, there was no pre-ranking experience. But what I do want to talk about is, oh my gosh, what's his name? Lil Rel. The EMT? No, not the EMT.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. When they're trying to sell him some Jordans that they found on an electric pole or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Kiki says something like, oh, they were my uncles, Cornelius, who died in the water. And then Lil Rel starts sobbing, like, oh, my people, they've all had bad experiences with water, slavery, you know. And then she's like, okay, you can have them for a discount.
He's like, oh, fantastic. Like, that quick turn, I was like, oh, hilarious.
I love the NBA. Are you kidding? Stuff happens to me that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. Kevin Durant calling himself a service worker.
Yeah, I was kind of like, get my sister's third car back.
Makeup, done the entire movie. I'm like, you just had blood all over your body. It's like nothing is budged. And that's correct, actually.
Yeah, I had a good time. Okay, I want to talk about fun lines because there was one line at the very end that I was like, I have to write this on. This is so funny. This is so us. When they have the hot Cheeto martini and Kiki was like, ghetto, but has a runway quality about it. That's an Andre Leon Talley quote. Wait, is it? Yeah, yeah.
But one of my favorite lines besides- Wait, I am so the Kiki and you're so the SZA.
I was fighting my- How quickly you forget.
That is crazy.
Wait, I do want to say church's representation, church's chicken. I have actually not ventured that way. Okay. Yep. That's the biracial coming out, I fear. My mom loves church's chicken. Really? Like to a degree that it's like, I would be like, not church's. Please, Popeye's. Please. God. Yeah. There's like one church's I also do that. Wait, okay, also, this is an acting review.
Are you in, are you out? Listen, I think she's an actress. I think she really is, because she acted like she painted on those freckles every day for years. She acted like she's not taking sides in Kendrick Drake. And she acted very well in this movie.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm like, wait, she's like funny. Yeah. Especially as like a first time actor. I think so too.
Well, on camera, first time actor.
What doesn't she do?
Okay. One thing about me. I want a sequel. I want 50. I want these movies to happen forever. Different cities.
You know what I'm saying? I want different cities, different apartments. I want us in it. Different sneakers. I want it all. Different payday loan place.
Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
Truly, yes. My skin is, like, acting out, I think. Like, she's throwing a tantrum because she said, wait, where have we been? Twin, where have you been? Okay, I have a question for you. Yeah. Are you a lover or a hater? How do you identify?
Okay. Now we want to do rapid fire.
Are you a lover or hater of pimple patches? Hater. Extravagant shelfies? Love. Lover. Skincare on planes. Hate. Oil cleansers. Hate. And thank you for saying it. And thank you for saying it. Because people think I'm crazy. Hunter just got her look in with my community of Gen Z-ers. She will put on a pimple patch and act like she's 19.
No, I'm grown.
Why don't you take a look at me? I did. Why don't you take a look at me?
But I love that you said that because I've thought this for years, like going to you, it's like some facials are like a tutoring session, right? Like triage, how do I like get my skin in a condition that I want? And others are more like luxury experiences, like get the hand massage, all this stuff. And I think there's room for both.
is if you've got like a boyfriend who like doesn't wash his face and you're like sleeping over his house you know it's like all these little things so I would say I'm a bit of a detective and this is why I like to talk you know like I'm a gossip because I want to know what else you're doing yeah exactly I would say yeah genuine learner you have to be a genuine learner I'm a learner yes like you have to like kind of suss out the truth yeah okay but I do want to know what do you think are the dangers of like the skincare misinformation that happens on the internet a lot where like everyone is an esthetician
So they say, everyone knows what you should be using. Everyone knows, like, I don't know. It's like crazy what people are advice that they give you and what they're certain you need. You can't live without.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh my God. That chain was like bigger than a cell phone.
I also feel like people are, like, taking advice without knowing what their skin is actually like. Yes.
Like, why are you taking advice from someone who has dry skin when your skin is super oily?
I'm not taking advice from a man.
You heard it here first. Get back. Close in on that. Okay, I want to talk about your product line. Yes. Because you years ago introduced me to mandelic acid and now you have your own and I use it. Maybe I use it way too much, honestly. Like it's so like sensory. It's like so smooth and just goes on so easy. And it's like the thing I don't have to think about doing every single day.
I love it. So tell us about it.
Who were you looking for? Well, I didn't see you because you disappeared on the couch. I didn't know. Oh my God. Oh my God. You see how I did that? You see how I brought us back? No, that was funny. That was funny. How are you doing? Well, let me say this. I had a hangover on Saturday that was like biblical. Like it was so bad. Remy just sat down next to me and went to sleep. I saw that photo.
You can only see a floating head. It's like a Harry Potter. I'd take these sunglasses off too.
Okay, I have to say yes, thank you for Sophie Pappet face because it is amazing. Shout out to your cleanser, the green cleanser, the clean, clean, the clean, clean cleanser, which I use every shower I've ever taken. It is a perfect shower cleanser. God bless. I love it. Okay, tell me, what is the number one tip that you give your clients in the studio?
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
It was that bad. But perfect opportunity to watch most of season one and all of season two of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Ever heard of it? Don't act like here she go when I see you trying to engagement bait with Roni.
Great. This is my last question. What is worth the investment? Because I feel like people are always like, oh, you can get Botox for like $25. You can get this for $25. But shouldn't I want it to cost a little bit more if someone's putting a needle into my face? What do you think is like, this is what you should spend your money on?
I know what I do because Sophie was my plug. I have a Saluma and I truly sit, do it every morning. Every other morning for 30 minutes, I sit under this thing.
Anyway, I'm going to bring up a few little things. Okay. They had a game night. Like a new girl was invited, like a new like kind of like friend of Brandy. I can't remember Brandy's last name. Whatever. This girl's on crutches. These two sisters, Kim and Kyle Richards, sister of Kathy Hilton. Oh, yes. Yeah. They hit her crutches because they hated her so much and they get into it.
Oh my gosh. You're busy going to Sephora. Buying your own product.
Get your ass to Sephora.
Oh, this is so, can I say cunt?
Oh my God. Like, no, and I'm hungry.
I love a gift.
It's not launched. No, I feel like I'm in the lab. Like I'm like Dexter's laboratory. I'm behind the scenes.
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And like Kim obviously like has like a really bad problem with alcohol and drugs, which her sister completely refuses to help her with in any way except for blaming her for and then making herself out to be the victim of this. We'll get to that. Later, on a later episode, perhaps. Don't get me started on that. Witch, Kyle Richards. And they hide her crutches.
I've got to bring this down a little bit.
Did you watch the inauguration? Nope, not even a little bit. Did you get a text from a parent before being like, don't watch the inauguration? We're going to stick it to Trump. Nope, not even a little bit. I did. I was like, sorry, why would I do that? I have Beverly Hills to watch. Why would I watch the inauguration? I'm young. Yes. Wait, that's which parent? Your mom or your dad?
My dad, of course. Definitely chain text, like 50 typos. It was crazy. It was funny. Okay. The inauguration. What do you need to know? It was moved indoors because of the weather because it was so cold, which I'm kind of obsessed with that detail. Like that the inauguration was in. It just sounds so like junky, so raggedy. Like the White House is really a raggedy place.
Okay, I have to talk about Melania Trump's hat.
Did you see it? Don't take my joke. That Michael Jackson ass hat. That hat said, the thing about my baby, it don't matter if she's black or white. But it's like fascist or cruel, like in this remix of hers.
I don't care. Okay. Circle back. Okay. But there is something political that I am obsessed with. I mean, I talked about it at brunch last weekend. Like this is how also the friend who's a political reporter. So it made sense. Okay. Can I introduce you to the feud between Jill Biden and Nancy Pelosi?
White criminal on white criminal crime. It is something that is like... Okay, let me take you back. So Nancy Pelosi obviously urged Joe Biden both publicly and privately to step down and put a lot of pressure on him. And then Jill Biden did an interview with the Washington Post, very softball interview. Nothing really of note was said except for that she said that...
She and Nancy, like the Bidens and the Pelosi's have been friends for 50 years and that they're like never going to repair basically. Like friendship, they fell out hard over this, over Nancy Pelosi saying Joe Biden should not be president.
Which the people said themselves, but. You want to hear a story about how me and this bitch fell out? Okay, now get ready. So then in response to that interview, Nancy Pelosi's daughter, Alexandra, who has me blocked on Twitter. For what? Girl, who knows? Probably many a thing. Yeah. Yeah.
Alexander tells Politico, quote, if I was Lady McBiden, I'd put on my big girl pants, play the long game and think about my husband's legacy. There aren't that many people left in America who have something nice to say about Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi is one of them. I want to bring a few things. Lady McBiden, first of all. Big girl pants. Play the long game.
There aren't that many people in America who have something nice to say about Joe Biden. That is true. This is out of a confessional on Housewives.
And then she's like, well, at least I'm not going to the bathroom doing crystal meth every 30 seconds. And these women in concert, they both jump up pointing their finger at her. And she's like, you guys are like evil. And they're like, you're a slut pig. It was outrageous. Slut pig is crazy. How would you say these women compare to the Roni cast?
No, this is like Ramona talking about Luann. Like, this is so ugly and crazy to say, however true. Then the political thing goes more into how like Nancy Pelosi, this is like, we're so, everyone in government is so old. Nancy Pelosi fell and she was like nervous that she shouldn't get the White House to help because then Joe Biden, mad, would not send her a plane.
That's how deep this feud goes when you're 80 something years old. So then. It's like 50 years of friendship. These motherfuckers are knocking on death's door. My God. But wait. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi have actually been very close in like government for a long time. He would borrow her car even when he was in like on the West Coast. Yeah.
But then part of this confusion from the Biden family, apparently according to Politico, is that they're like, what do you mean 50 year friendship? We don't know Jill. That's crazy. She said, you can't even get in. We don't know her. Who's that? They said the man is our friend. We don't know you. I'm like, no, it really goes over. It's just, I love it. I'm sorry. I can't.
And it's like funny because it's like two people who stubborn as hell, can't tell them anything.
But then this one couple on that show broke into some kind of state dinner and it like actually was a big like national security risk. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, I, yeah, I'm just like, oof, Jill Biden getting her lashings. I love it.
I don't know. I don't know. I hope so, though. This is, like, this is really sending me to another dimension. Like, this is so Carol Bethany. This is Aviva Carol. One day that'll make sense to me. We're losing recipes.
But we're going to open the schools for you, baby. We're going to keep them around for one more year to open them for you.
Okay, this is about to be a different show.
And something about, speaking of football, Eagles winning, do you see the Chiefs? I think Travis Kelsey is having a glow down in this relationship. He's dressing worse than ever.
Let's unpack that. And listen, do not forget under any circumstances. Do not forget to put on your mandelic acid tonight.
And I really was like, ooh, I'm feeling good today. I don't know if you know, but I have a cover story out now. I saw it in your chest. And I said, ooh, I'll dress up a little bit today. Simply sinking into the couch. Simply. I look like Zach Braff in Garden State. The funniest thing is, like, if it was a short skirt or, like, sleeveless, like, maybe.
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People are getting mad at me for saying it, but like Beverly Hills was not as good as Roni. Like season one of Beverly Hills was like very, very, very boring. Season two, it kind of perks up a little bit. Once Brandy, I think Glanville. Once Brandy comes in the mix, she kind of stirs the pot a little bit. And thank God. Because it's like, it's a cast of, what did I say?
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It's a cast of Avivas and one Sonia. A cast of people obsessed with how they come across and one tragic figure. Where are you on Runny right now? They just got back from Morocco. Oh my God, I love it. The Morocco trip is so underrated. Morocco trip is great.
Luann is at dinner being like come to dinner now and Ramona and Sonia fully not just fully ignoring her and then we have Kelly talking to Alex being like just calm down just calm down and Alex is like stop yelling at my face and then Luann iconic is like what a witch go back to the cupboard you climbed out of okay so it seems like we're gonna have to do a part two of
We are getting so off track. Because what are we talking about this week? We're talking about Keke Palmer's new movie with SZA, One of Them Days. And we're also talking about the political feud that I cannot stop thinking about, slash the inauguration.
And then later, I'm so happy that I have a zit today because we're joined by New York City's acne whisperer herself, Sophie Pavitt, to talk about skincare tricks and skincare scams.
No, it would look even worse. At least it's like this. At least I'm, like, at least I look completely, like, just a head on top of a chair. If you had to put on a little sweater. She put a little pillow behind her back. Oh, yeah. Just to try to do a little something. Ooh, girl. I could not take my sunglasses off. It's like Stevie Wonder in conversation with himself. Oh, God.
Okay, well, I tried to not go to Alabama Draft House because I have a negative time every time. I went to the Regal Essex.
The man that greets, what's his name? He's the nicest man ever. I've only seen one man outside of it, and it was Jack Antonoff. That was several years ago with a girl.
No, pre-Margaret.
pretty chill well I did get there 30 minutes early and I ate an entire bag of medium popcorn and you know I can't have too much popcorn because it gets stuck in my teeth and gives me a belly ache so it was like me and then this one woman comes in and she sits right next to me okay and it's like that's what the ticket she bought and she's like on the phone with her son being like Jalen Jalen you know you don't have school tomorrow right
It was so funny. She's like, where's grandma? I tried to call her. She didn't answer. How did her phone get on silent? Like, so me, me, me, me, me. Like, you know how someone over age of 75 starts getting on their phone and it's like, why are you on red note with a silent phone and getting texts from Kamala Harris? Like, what's going on?
So that was really funny. And then she was like, I'm seeing this movie. No one's going to interrupt my me time. She looked at me. She's like, what's the name of this movie? I said, one of them days. She said, thank you.
I was like, oh, that's me, me, me, me, me. The way that she turned her phone off when the lights went down. I said, oh, sister. Full off, not even silence. She said literally verbatim, no one's interrupting my me time. I loved her. Loved every bit of it.
So her grievances just stacked up.
I wish something that dramatic happened. It was like me and my sister. And then there were like some white gays who were talking about like, soft canceling their other friend from like going to the inauguration. I was like, I don't want to, I don't want to see that. Wait, so what did you think? I thought it was fun. I thought it was really fun.
I really liked, I mean, I love Keke Palmer in everything. Like can do anything, natural performer, charisma times a million trillion. I was really like, there are so many like LA things that I was kind of like, maybe I'm not getting every joke, which I felt kind of like out of the loop on, but I had to listen.
If you've ever hated to pay rent, if you've ever been annoyed by a woo-woo bitch, this is a movie for you.
And I wasn't going to take it there, but, like, you know, the girl who has, like, the reddest hair in the world, that's a type. That is a type. No, when a black girl dyes her hair red, know that she's serious. And I don't mean, like, red, like, Zendaya as MJ.
I mean, like, red as a Loewe tomato. She is serious. And you know our good sister, Evan Nicole Brown.
That would be so funny. Okay. What did you think?
Maud Apatow.
A woman who's never seen a deadline that she has not missed. Like, that's who she was playing. And I said, listen, I believe it. When she said that Lana's coming before, sometime in the fall, it comes December 31st, damn near.
Yes, they genuinely seem like really good friends.
And their whole, like, chemistry, this whole press tour has been so funny.
The only episode of Hot Ones I've ever enjoyed. Say it. Say that. They were so funny with Issa. They made sense that she's between Rihanna.
Justin Bieber and...
That was one of my critiques. I wanted more of Cat Williams. Like, he was so, like, man who just waits outside of a strip mall is such a type of man.
The rotating sunglasses. Every single time he had different pairs of sunglasses on. So in this movie, he waits outside of a cash advance.
Yeah, payday loans. And he's like trying to get my sisters out of the gutter. He's like, don't do it. These are predatory loans, like a thousand percent APR. Like it was just so crazy. He was so funny, but I wanted more from him. Yeah. That was a good line. Yes, yes. Janelle James as the nurse. And you know, we talked about mean nurses. We've not talked about nurses who are so incompetent.
And I'm talking, of course, about the time I'd get blood drawn and my nurse took a smoke break. In the middle of taking blood out of my body, she took a smoke break.
Well, listen, I mean, I know this is like a big buzz topic with overcompensating now. Oh, yeah. Because obviously all those actors are like in their 30s.
But honestly, that doesn't bother me. Listen, I grew up watching Gossip Girl. I grew up watching Pretty Little Liars. If you are- You were 45 playing a teenager.
Because then you become the oldest of your young friends. Once you turn 30, you're the youngest of your regular friends. 30 feels young to me. I think so too. I feel younger at 30 than I felt at 29. 29 felt like... Feeble. On a cane.
Beyonce's ex-sister. No, ex-step-sister.
Get a man butt away from me. But I have to say, I did like the way that they showed a sexual experience.
That was really awkward. Many such cases. Well, yeah. No, it felt like... I mean... I know I bring it up. It felt like Lady Bird where it's like, oh, you're watching something that is like, oh, they're uncomfortable in their skin because of course they are because they're 16 and that's how it feels.
I just thought that like shooting that with so much youthful uncertainty was really wonderful. Like other than just, you know, the euphoria of like, oh, you guys are really knocking boots. Interesting. Knocking boots.
2018. Oh. Yeah, because it was saying, push me to the edge, all my friends are dead. But I also like that. I also like that it said in 2018. Pre-COVID, thank God. It feels very current still because it's like, oh, I know exactly what Migos song is about to play.
Yeah. More of the outfits. Dang. I got stressed. No, I don't know. The phones... I think it's hard. I think I've seen a lot of shows do phones worse. I've seen some shows do phones better. But I do think there is something really nice about watching him, like, text out, like, hey, can I talk to you? And then erase it all, and he's like, hey. But they do that so many times. I know.
Like, we get it now. I think it also improves, at least, like, in the first... Or the second and third episode, it was really hard. It kept taking me out of it a little bit. But then once we're together together, I think there's not so much of that. But it is just funny being like, girl, how many times can you block and unblock the same account? Is that what it's like?
Is that what it's like being 17? Yeah. As the resident 17-year-old? I thought you were 19. No, but I think that like Gen Z just has such a – or like Gen Alpha, they have such a like, oh, I blocked you. Oh, I unblocked you. If you block me, oh, we're never speaking again. Emotional as hell. But that's the zillineal in me. Anyway. Something else that I really – that honestly – Two things.
Two elements of the show that truly almost brought me to tears. Granted, I did have a coffee. But Keisha and George, her paternal grandfather, when they were in the car and he's like taking her to like a 5 a.m., 4, 3 a.m. run. Run, yes. And she's like, oh, like my dad, like he really tries. And- her grandfather was like, you know what? He really doesn't try enough. Because where is he now?
Like, he just loves you from afar. That's not good enough. I was like, oh, wow. I just, I loved that. I loved that. I loved that. And then I also loved her and her little white friend, Khloe. And the way that Khloe is like, listen, I'm going to tell you something that you're not going to want to hear, but it's true. Give that boy another chance. I said, you go head on, Khloe.
Chloe's saying, we scheming? Okay, great. So what are we going to do? We're going to walk to the black side of Martha's Vineyard, and we'll walk around until you feel like we have exhausted every option to find this boy. Find Rachel Bruner. She took us to Martha's Vineyard, and she don't let you. Remember that?
Yes, yes. Oh my God, that was so funny. Different situations. But the thing is, Rachel will get her look back and get us in some drama. That's true. Bed broke. That's true. Leave all that in. That's just for one person.
I just. Little old me? You're so annoying. I'm just a girl. You're so annoying. Thank you. Well, I believe in love again. You do? Mm-hmm. Because I did this project, we were doing it for a while, for Hinge, where I interviewed this beautiful British couple, Leah and Ola. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. No, I think that's very special. I like that, like, this is a show that's not afraid of letting their characters be wrong. Yeah. And make mistakes. Yeah. And that that doesn't – that they can repair, not necessarily, like, neatly, but quickly enough that we can get to the next, like, kind of set piece. Oh, my gosh. Okay, I can't wait to finish.
Something not that chill happened to me last week. Again? Yeah. I was at a function.
I saw the hot water. It's a hot tub with a man.
And I, like, talked, interviewed them for, you know, several sessions about, like, their first date and, like, their relationship. They met on Hinge. They're engaged now. It was so fun getting to see, like...
I don't know who those people are. I don't know.
No, listen. I'm the, what it's, Daniel Radcliffe, like, straight but not narrow. Remember that whole campaign? Yes.
you know what his perspective on their first date versus her perspective and like he was nervous she was nervous she could see that he was nervous so it made her more nervous it was just a really like lovely story put together um by hinge that's gonna be in a book oh that's so cool my second time being published in like a real book first time was ladybird essay what's uh the h1 i have it on my shelf actually what's the is it like a hinge book or is it for like a bigger story of like love or whatever
Can I also say, I remember vividly before she came out, people speculating, thinking that she was, yeah, and her not really wanting to say anything yet. But that, yeah, I think that's really inspiring. Yeah.
Yes, what is she, CMO of gay pop?
Is that what you say when you look in the mirror? Absolutely.
Yeah. Yeah. That's that. She really is so young. I feel like with her, Billie Eilish, I'm like, oh my gosh, like they're all under 25 still.
Yeah, but I am kind of living for her birthday post when she, like, won't really confirm the relationship, but he's in every single slide of the carousel. They're, like, cozied up, leg over other leg. He's, like, arm over other arm, like, hand on thigh.
Chris Hand. It does feel very like vintage Facebook album where it's like we're truly in high school and it's like, are they talking or aren't they talking? It's like here are just four photos of them. Yeah, yeah. It's very that. It's complicated. It's very like 2010 like high school dynamic.
It's important to advocate for your own community. Oh, quiet. It's kept. It's not kept that quiet. It's not kept quiet at all. It's loud.
That's so different when you say it.
no it's a hinge book um it's called no other no ordinary love um and it's like a collection of several like short kind of stories about people who met on hinge um but yeah it's so funny when you meet someone it's like oh I feel like I know them so well because I've been like having talking about the relationship for so long and I if they weren't like so incredibly sweet and funny and special it would not have been felt so like rewarding but you're kind of their third that's beautiful
Yeah, JoJo Siwa get behind me. I don't like that at all. No, no, no.
Well, I don't go to Big Brother. I don't go there. So you're telling me new information.
You don't need to date your ally.
I'm going to the queue. I'll say her pin only rivals that of Club Chalamet. You always find a way. I do find a way. Club Chalamet.
Well, no, listen, I'm trying to understand because last week you said you're about to take out a pitchfork for Lorde for not being a lesbian.
Let a girl grow and change her mind.
No. Oh, well, they had a thing on the other show called This Has Been the Gay Minute.
Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
Do you know that old Kevin Durant tweet? No. That's like, what are we doing to our beautiful queens? You always find a way. That's all I'm going to say. Because, sorry, Hailey Bieber was on the cover of Vogue, major. Road is not going to be sold on Sephora, major. And Justin Bieber... His caption for his promo post of Haley on Vogue. No, sorry. What are we doing to our beautiful queens?
And, you know, good. Good. Because what's she going to do? Repost it? What is Vogue going to do? Repost it? Oh, God. No, listen. A man will. Let me quote the great Candy Burris. She said she thought I should give her an apology. Good thing she don't get paid for thinking. You have now said that twice. I love it. In this record.
No, because she deserved an apology from her number one op, who happens to be her husband. Yeah.
I'm just like, why would you... They obviously know that, I mean, every day – and I don't really, like, believe or buy into, like, every, like, TikTok conspiracy video about how he's in love with Selena and, you know, all that stuff.
But – and I think she does in the interview address that, that, like, her marriage is – she's happy in her marriage, but it's just that everyone – I mean, it's like these teens clock in to say that they're unhappily married to one another. Yep, full time job. But like, why would you like say it like that?
Like to Justin Bieber, why would you like add fuel to that fire when you know, even like the construction of all these sentences is shocking.
Yeah. But this is not the first time that he has just like been weird about her on the internet. I know. Like whenever he was like, oh, he posted a photo of her paparazzi shot and was like, my bitch has pretty toes. On Mother's Day, he was like posting about like Mother's Day is hard for some people. Like, oh, I hate Mother's Day sucks.
Listen, challengers, yeah, I could see that. I could see that. I could be object of multiple people's affection. No one can have a crush on me though, because I talk too much. I don't have an air of mystery.
And then posted like a carousel of just like random photos of her. I don't even
like beautiful photos just like random it's so funny I was with a friend recently and she was like the thing about Justin Bieber is you know like like like the weed like the potheads in high school they would just like take random photos of people like all the time they would just take random photos of you like like picking up a solo cup like and it's like why are you doing that and that really is how he posts he posts like an esoteric gay man
You know where all of his artistry needs to go? Into the studio. Into some, no, because I, why isn't he like on a remix of Mutt? Like why isn't he, I don't know.
This is the Akusa one they did on stage? Yeah. Oh, I like it, but it's not recorded. I mean, he didn't record that formally. Did he? Oh, I know what you're thinking of.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking of something different. Oh, taste. The thing he did in Toronto, because he loves hockey. Now you've lost me. Now I feel like Hailey.
And it was like a big group of people from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where I'm from. And, you know, whatever. And like meeting new people, making new friends. And this guy was like, oh, like when did you guys graduate from high school? To like me and my friend. And she said 2011. And I said 2012. And he said, oh. Like he recoiled. How old was he?
giving him I see what you're saying and I can extend a lot of grace like the videos from Coachella were like made me really sad when he was like like obviously like so I don't know yeah but but at the same time now girl you your wife gets a Vogue cover and her her like billion dollar business has now sold on Sephora and the most you can do is like dang I thought you were a flop low key when we got married no no and listen I know that I write I'm a I'm a Haley Belieber I know
Take the keys. Take his Wi-Fi. Take the keys from his account.
Well, as it's been proven over and probably getting proven right now, somebody... You know what it also reminds me of? that time that Obama was like, made some like offhand remark about how his book took long, like his memoir took longer than Michelle's memoir. And he was like, because I'm actually writing mine. Google it. Google it. That's what I meant. Men hate women. Why? Men hate women.
But do you remember, too, when her dad was, like, posting, like, pray for Haley and Justin, like, reposted a video of, like, one of their pastors, and, like, they need prayers right now. Yeah. And it's like, even that, I'm like, girl, your damn dad is talking about you. Like, no, we need to lock it all down. Don't post about me. Don't talk about me. Nothing.
Because you know the kind of fans that that will stoke up. Absolutely. I just like, I truly don't understand. So what do we do about this?
It's on us. Why am I like, hey, get behind me. Like, no, I've had enough. I suggest you don't fuck with my sis.
Well, let me say this. I think a good start is... We need Justin Bieber in the studio. We need him in rehab. Not online.
You're really thinking at a crazy level right now. That Celsius is really coursing through your veins. It's the artist's way. I also, and let me say, I also don't like how, like, Justin Bieber's more unusual, maybe concerning behavior, you know, feeds into a narrative that is clearly promulgated, promulgated? I'm not the one or the two. Well, whatever. By Scooter Braun.
Because Scooter Braun loves to call up TMZ and say, listen, the only reason that Justin Bieber was able to be successful is because I was on his team and I was able to manage him. And now he's like having to see the consequences of his own actions. And it's like Scooter Braun, a viper. No. Snake. I don't like that this really almost affirms all the rumors.
Like the clear research that Scooter Braun's team is putting out. Correct. I don't like that at all. Because if one thing, listen, the enemy of my enemy or the enemy of everyone. Scooter Braun. Yes. I need Justin Bieber back in the studio. I need him back to a video vixen. I love him in the Popstar video. I need him to release the one dance remix that Drake does not want you to know about.
And there went the point. Out the window. It's always a long-winded bitch who's talking about, oh, there goes the point. Well, because I can see it.
Actually, yeah, I am. Yeah. Okay.
What do I say? What did Issa Rae say? What will a man do? Embarrass you. Embarrass you. And yet I still want one.
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No, oh my God. Wait, did you talk to them about, you know what I'm going to ask?
You talked to them about Catherine Colberti.
heard of it anyway yes totally i have heard of it that one person in our comments is gonna hate that i'm bringing up being bi-coastal again but and to be clear i'm not um we're talking about that justin bieber comment if you are on instagram you know the one and you know painting gets talking about lesbian drama for 10 minutes jojo siwa to be exact yeah so hold on uh let me
There is a part of me that is activated. when I'm watching two young, hot people fall in love. To all the boys I've loved before. Say it. The Samurai Turn Pretty. Samurai Turn Pretty, yes. Jenny Han, this is her house. This is her home. And now, Netflix Forever. Yes. I don't want to say, the show wasn't even on my radar before I saw just people talking about it.
Girl, I don't know, he graduated in like 2018 from high school. I said, oh, the way that he looked at me like I was a wrinkled, a crinkled, a pruney, old hag. I was like, oh, it hurt me in my spirit. Did he make you show your hands? No, no, he was white. So he didn't know how to do that. I was like, girl, you're about to look old. So listen, you about one more good year, Mr. 22 year old.
Not even on Twitter, girl, on threads. Threads. And I said, no. And then you texted me and I was like, let me press play. Okay. Logline of this show. A Netflix YA show created by Girlfriends creator Mara Brock Akil. This is the logline. So reunited as teens, two childhood friends fall deeply in love, experiencing the joy and heartache of a first romance that will change their lives forever.
It's based on the Judy Blume novel, which is about essentially like white teens. But this adaptation makes both families black. Yes. Did you read that book? No. I did read – I've only – I haven't read that much Judy Blume. But I remember very vividly reading Just As Long As We're Together, a Judy Blume novel about like two like female best friends and them like spying on these teen boys.
And then they were like, oh, they have hair on their legs. That means they're like going through puberty, these like boys. Like they're ready to have sex. Yeah.
Firmly planted on the cob. Yeah. I'm quite sure.
Why did you think it would be corny, though? Because it's a Netflix rom-com with a bunch of teens. Maybe. But I did not find it corny. Like, I thought the first couple episodes were dragging a little bit. It's like the blocking, the unblocking. I'm like, dang.
Yeah. I don't really want to be, like, 16 again. I don't really want to be thinking about homework too much. But I thought that it's, like, oh, I love that they're treating this, like, teen high school relationship with, like, a great deal of seriousness. Absolutely. Like, it really does have stakes.
So when this girl is, like, I don't want to tell my mom that we're dating because I don't want to have to, like, explain to her why I broke up with my ex over, like, a sex tape and have to, like, admit that to her. I was, like, oh, no, I, like, feel this, you know, great conflict inside of her. And then his, you know, real pain and heartbreak over her not choosing him.
Your brother saw someone knifed in front of him in public school. Do you want to see that? And Lady Bird's like, he barely even saw that. Oh, God. I'm always off book. Listen, I stay ready. I stay ready. Ready as hell. Social Ronin slips you a 20. No, I also liked, okay, have you gotten, I'm only on episode five, the Martha's Vineyard episode. I'm halfway through that one. I love that episode.
I love, like, the black parents in that episode and just how, like, funny they are. Like, the black, like, adult community in that episode. I also like seeing a black family where it's not, like, stern, domineering, like, doctor father who's, like, you need to, like, represent our, like, culture well, da-da-da. Like, that, like, strict harshness. I like that the dad is very, like, let our son –
Um, yeah, it was hard. I truly, my friend and I just walked away.
Because I was going to, okay, it reminds me of that time. Oh God, do you remember when Louis, your brother, was coaching a like middle school team in LA and he would be like on close brands being like... We're not making it to state. We're not making it to state. These badass kids. With all love, no. One of the kids who wouldn't play being like, can I go home? Like, I'm not playing.
Come on. Lewis was coaching a middle school basketball team and one boy showed up in vans and was like, well, you never play me, so why would I wear real sneakers? That was such a saga. And then also... The main, the lead in it, what's his name? Michael Cooper Jr. Yeah. Looks like Lewis's hot friend who went viral in that video for cheating on his girlfriend.
Lenny. Lenny. I don't want to air him. I don't want to bleep out his name. We don't want to air out. He's fine.
And I was like, wow, dang. Are we that old? He was like, no, no, I'm sorry. I was like, uh-uh. Do you feel old in your 30s? No, I'm young at heart. No. Do you feel like 30s and old age? No, no, no. This is what I've always said since I was like 19. When you turn 27... Put yourself in a casket. That's old. 27 is old.
I... Let me tell you... This is so embarrassing, but, like, I think I truly pressed play on this show because I didn't know anything about the plot, didn't read the Judy Blume book, but I said, okay, sorry, we have Wood Harris and we have Karen Pittman. Girl. I said, I love these two people. I love their marriage. I love, like... They just have such an ease together. And a playfulness.
Yes, exactly. Oh my God, it's fun to see. That's what I mean. I like that we're seeing a black family on TV where it's like, oh, there's no big backstory about how they have money or where they came from or struggle. It's just that they... Just case in point, there's one shot in the Martha's Vineyard episode where Karen Pittman just walks into the house and she's like, oh, where's our son?
What is he up to? And the way that she walks in and out of these rooms with all of these black people just having a good time was so beautiful to me. And then along comes a 3C curl. I don't know who you're looking at. A girl named Shannon who tries to come between our two lovers. Unsuccessful so far.
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interesting interesting this week live from on air fest we got into some 2025 trend forecasting plus we ranked our favorite divorcees as we do and we are taking it to the stand with a little game called culture courtroom so let me just say this let me say this are you looking for a home for your worst opinions
Okay. So if you've seen Dance Moms, it's kind of like that triangle, but a little bit different.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So this is a power ranking of like recent divorces that we feel like could use a little bit extra analysis.
Oh, okay. First is No Hope Left. So these are divorces that were doomed from the start. There was never any belief in a happy ending. And okay. You're going to see this. It's Chance the Rapper and his baby mama, Kristen Corley. Oh. Okay, a lot of rapper fans in the building? A lot of Chance the Rapper fans in the building? Oh, okay.
First of all, Chance the Rapper, a man who exists to wear overalls.
if you remember that era but I think that there's like this one photo that he posted of like oh my god my wife is amazing she like decorated this patio for my like our new house and it is the most regular degular looking patio I have ever seen not even it's like turf it's just turf and like a little like Ikea sofa it's so crazy but I'm kind of obsessed and then also he made the whole album about how he you know wasn't ready for marriage and like didn't know if he wanted to be married and look what happened and she listened to and said so I'm hearing some things and
This one is going to be a little more broad. These are the, we knew it was coming, but we didn't want to admit it. So we saw the red flags, but we still hope they'd make it work.
Okay, speaking of rich people, a little upstart couple called Bill and Melinda Gates.
Yeah, not to defend a billionaire, but there's something about this divorce that is so funny to me. Like Bill Gates, who I knew nothing about basically except for his like little cameo in the social network, which is not even him. But like him being like my divorce was like my greatest regret. I was like, not Epstein's Island? Yeah. Interesting, interesting, interesting.
But I do love him always at every opportunity being like, oh my God, like, oh, I miss my wife. Like, oh, I like really played in her face and I really miss her. And her being like, absolutely not. NeNe leaks, the door is closed. As it should be. Yeah. And I kind of wish Cardi and Offset had more of that. No, I love the way it swings open.
It's like through the vents sometimes. No, no, it's, you know. Yeah. I don't want them to get back together, but I do think that I just love a divorced man who's so desperado. Wow. Sitting in an old Monte Carlo. That's a Rihanna lyric.
Oh, okay, wait, say it, say it.
No, I'm honestly shocked. I don't. Wait, wait. We've got an op.
Okay, perfect. Okay, this can be quick because we all know what happened on that plane. Everyone saw it coming, but we held our breath. And this is Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. Yes!
But I did, can I just say, I did love him following her fan accounts. Period.
We've got two major life updates happening in this household today.
My God. Yeah. Okay, next, I guess they just grew apart, which is code for a fair. Benjamin Milpier and Natalie Portman. And the most important thing that we got out of that, of course, was... The Paul Mescal photos.
She got her court-mandated younger hot boyfriend.
I don't know. He got those running shorts on. This is the big one. I'm going to shake the table. I no longer believe in love.
But that's exactly why I love these two people, these two crazy kids, these two Leos, so much. Oh, someone said, oh. Uh, Bennifer.
Not today. I see it for them. I think it's going to be cyclical. I think 20 years from now, we'll be in the same exact place. And I hope so. And I'll see you there.
Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
We have 60 seconds to make our case about a topic, and then you get to decide who wins the trial. And so just hold up, you know, one of our faces, depending on who you, well, mine, but yeah, depending on who you like. Be an ally, okay?
But okay, I'll be brave and I will start.
Okay, who is the internet's favorite white boy of all time? This feels targeted.
I got to give it to Timothee Chalamet. Sorry. I think he really is like the second coming of Ryan Gosling if you were on Tumblr during that era. Timothee Chalamet, he has, hello, Club Chalamet. I mean, he has a lot of women going crazy over him. It's funny that he is maybe going to win an Oscar and also Damien Kardashian. No one else could do that.
No one else could like, could pull that off the way that he is. And I love the way that he dresses, that he is so going hyper specific and weird, I think works in his favor and is what gets him so many women fans. The fact that he can do Call Me By Your Name and also Dune, that's four-quantum appeal right there. That's weird sci-fi people, not weird, but people who like to read long books.
And it's also real lovers and yearners like myself. And he's from The Wrap, Homeland, Homeland, which turned into Domeland, meaning I'm getting domed in the daily. Tell me, Tim, the next Slim Shady. Not that I, you know. Who's timing this, by the way?
Wow. Okay, yes, vote. Oh, wait. This is actually kind of hard. It's kind of a hung jury. It's looking Peyton. It's looking. It's very Hunter over there. It's very Hunter. Don't switch it up. It's very Hunter right there. We've got a bisexual in the crowd.
I know. I see a lot of myself. Who decides this? Because we're just going to do this. My eyes see Oppenheimer. My eyes see Oppenheimer.
Do we have time for one more? Okay, yes.
I don't have my phone. Wait, I keep asking you that. I'm not a woman in STEM. I don't have technology at my hands right now. So that's it. I feel like, thank you all so much for being here. Thank you to our listeners at home who are going to hear this later.
Are you ready? I am always. Okay, the first, and it is very important to me, guess who just followed me on Instagram this morning? Name them. The Dorinda Medley. Yeah.
I just want to say it wasn't you won twice. It was a tie. It was like I won the first one and then you won the second one. Okay. I took white boy of the week, but I'll give you Lady Gaga to be clear.
It is not Culture Courtroom winner. No, no, no. I'm appealing. Appeal coming. Ninth Circuit.
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I feel like I'm doing our intro. Like, let me say this.
Thank you all for being here. We're so excited.
Because there are prizes on the line. And Hunter will tell you about them. Okay. So the first prize for the first winner is a year of Wondery Plus for free, a Let Me Say This mug, and shout out to our previous guest, Sophie Pavitt. She has gifted my favorite product, our favorite product, the mandelic acid. Everything you see on the stage right now is a product of that.
We're bragging about having good skin. That was that once. Well, I did a lot of work for this. Yeah, you said, I paid a lot of money. A pretty penny. And then there are other prizes, more mugs, and some candy. And just hang out with us. But thank you for being here.
We met in a little town called Boston. Massachusetts.
Yeah. I love a handsome man who's quiet. A quiet man, please. That is funny. You're a taste in men. You need to be sitting in front of a judge and jury.
And let me say, this is our baby. I can't believe I'm a mother. Yeah. Michelle, you're doing great, baby. You look amazing, sweetie. And you would never post a bad photo of me the way that he posts bad photos of her. We'll get into that later. A little teaser for you. I'm not shaking the table. You've seen the photos. Sorry, to be clear. No, they hate each other.
It's big for the community. It's big for the allies. Yes. The Roni Curious. And the other big update, of course, is that we were at on Airfest on Friday. We were.
Yeah. And a big part of the show is are you a lover or a hater? Mm-hmm. I'm sure you can see that I'm a lover, true to my core. I just am happy and an optimist at all times. You said that like you have a gun in your back pocket for the way. I'm just happy. What do you mean?
Okay. Are you a lover or hater Brooklyn edition?
I'm a lover of the bus. I'm a lover of the bus, but the bus is either two minutes early or 20 minutes late. There's no in between. Yeah, absolutely. Or 45 minutes. Or it just doesn't come. Or it's like, I guess I'm walking, actually. That's so crazy. I am lacing up my walking shoes. Yeah, come on, hokas. Nice. Okay.
Someone paid rent in this neck of the woods. I live in Williamsburg for like six years. And I live to tell the tale. But see, you can only live just close to like a just salad or like a kava even before it like reflects who you are inside. And I changed and I grew.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even walking around, I'm like, I don't want to be seen. Yeah.
incognito mode yeah truly hunter also like got doxxed in this neighborhood by katie what are they called don't you know katie perry stands katie cats katie cats it was a shot from my own community i've done a lot for katie perry sorry representation matters oh my god it was my teenage dream all the time and yet my own kind still came for me yeah um okay lover hater oh actually i don't know what you're gonna say about this eric adams
I really have to say, if you weren't in the room where it happens, you missed out. But thank God there's a video for you to watch.
But you're sober as like, oh, I'm 19. I'm Gen Z. We don't drink.
First off, always Turkey. Love her or hate her? I love a diva. What can I say? What can I say? I'm sorry. I know it's bad. It's like, fuck Eric Adams. Fuck Eric Adams, but I like the lifestyle. I hate the man, but I love the lifestyle. Is that bad?
So the internet is a dark place where we feel most at home. It's our safe space, actually. I pay rent there from time to time. I don't actually pay for Twitter, though. I mean, my God, that's so embarrassing. But I want to talk about 2025. Yeah. What's happened this year that has really gotten you excited?
Did you watch the video of the plane going down? The one that turned over?
I did. I don't know why I said it like that. Everyone survived. I don't know why I said it like that. No, but it was unsettling to watch. And now I'm looking for a Denzel whenever I get on a flight.
It felt a little bit like a race war.
Okay. I'll just call it like a win in progress. Okay. A little man named Tom Sandoval. Okay. On The Traitors. Let me say this. Tom Sandoval meant nothing to me before I started watching The Traitors this season. And now I'm so locked in. His weird little looks. He's like always sweating, but also like has a hat on at all times. It's so like, I want to know more. I think he's on a different show.
He was supposed to be a masked singer and like got diverted. His flight got diverted and he said, oh my God, okay, I'm here now.
Well, I don't – I'm not attracted to him, but I'm just like, you hatch out of an egg every morning. Oh, wait. Someone got bingo. Already? Already? Oh, my God. Wait. What bingo things did you get? Yeah. Say it. Say it.
Yeah. And that is Chestnut Checkers. Okay. Wow. Okay, so this is our first winner. Well, our producer will find you after. Yes, let's clap. You got the big win.
I'll tell you a trend that I am amused by, not in favor of, but the MAGA makeup. MAGA makeup videos on TikTok. Because you know a MAGA face when you see one.
I grew up in Oklahoma. It's just who I know. Okay. You're like, these are actually friends of mine. But it's like the heavy bronzer, but like no eyebrow. Why would you do that?
And a lot of people are going to get audited just because of that.
There was a gun pulled out by many people. Let me say that. But seriously, if you have the chance, please watch the episode because you need to see how our big debate ends in a tie, which stopped the count. That's all I'll cop to.
My Shayla. And I'm so happy for her.
How do you think we came out with such great humor? Wait, what does our friend Teffi say? Are your parents married? No, they're grown.
I feel like we grew up at exactly the right time to like watch Eat, Pray, Love, Under the Tuscan Sun. Yeah. How Stella got her groove back, waiting to exhale, where it's like being a divorced woman is the most glamorous thing you can possibly be.
I'll go back to daily provisions.
Not too much. The arms were arming. The arms were, they were doing it. I said, here's a man who saw Challengers and took the right lessons home. Okay.
Anyway, I got a liquid microneedling last week from our friend Sophie Pavitt. And she said, what are you doing this weekend? And I said, going to a wedding. And she said, of course you are. You're always at a wedding. And I was at a wedding this weekend and it was fun.
No. What? Sorry.
No, no.
But if you want to have some fun, I have a building you should go to and get murdered in. Don't pivot like that.
Ugh. Well, over here in my house, in the morning show, hello, good morning. Something about The Morning Show, that this is a show essentially all about women, and yet Billy Crudup is both the best actor on the show, except for Nicole Beharie, but also the only actor to ever win any awards on the show. Really? Yeah, yeah. I love Billy Crudup.
Billy Crudup also radically a man whose career was derailed by cheating on his wife.
Or cheating on someone else before her? His first wife, Mary Louise Parker. He loved her when she was in her third trimester for Claire Danes, who was 24. And we need to know our history.
They are. His speech was weird, though.
His speech was weird, like, oh, I love my immigrant wife who owns a business, my piece of arm candy. It's like, you know when you hear someone who's so, like, trying to, like, be of the moment, but it's like, okay.
The only kind of political moment that did resonate with me was John Leguizamo talking about like how he took out a full page out of the New York Times to like advocate for diversity and casting specifically for like Latinx actors. And that was moving. But it did come at a point in the night when like Shogun had really not won any awards yet.
So it was like, oh, like a lot of white people are on the stage, have taken the stage tonight.
But a lot of first-time winners that I liked. Lamorne Morris, he's a New Girl guy.
I will just say history will smile upon those who knew the truth about hacks. It is. I'm sorry. Season three was not good. And I don't like that all of the non-white characters have been completely sidelined. But I digress. It was a very funny bit, especially as people who are popular in high school. We can. Some of us can. We can really lock it in. Sorry. That was nasty. That was nasty.
It's the Dumas thing. Likely place for Hunter to be. Anon, please. It's me reporting your status. And someone responded to my story and said, oh, I know Peyton is jealous.
It does. Because I tested positive for being chimp crazy. And I said, girl, I watched this show. I think it was on Labor Day, whatever day it just was. And I was like, whatever. I have a whole afternoon to kill. I'll just press play on this random show that I've been seeing ads for. Oh, my goodness. I was so locked in.
Yes. Yes. Someone said, ooh, Peyton is stomping her feet. She's so mad.
So if you have not watched Chimp Crazy, which I'm pretty sure you have because it is like the number one HBO doc of all And if you haven't, you must immediately. Yes. Basically, this four-part docuseries, yes, from the director of Tiger King, centers on an exotic animal dealer and self-proclaimed Dolly Parton of chimps, Tanya Haddix, and her Hollywood-famous chimpanzee, Tonka.
Basically, Tanya is raising Tonka, really loves him, or, you know, so she thinks. And then they go into hiding. She hides Tonka, but says that she can't find him when Tonka goes missing as PETA has like a sort of rescue operation. This is a turf war.
In a cage with, like, no natural light. Like, she just gives him, like, toys, iPads.
It's really, like, distressing to me. And intercut within the story of Tanya and Tonka and Peta are other stories of women who... kept chimpanzees as pets and how in all of those cases it like ended very negatively, usually with the animals having to be killed because it had like devolved into a really dangerous situation, which I found like personally very heartbreaking.
And look it. You're getting tight right now.
Because you know it was right. Because you know you're jealous. I am. Well, not quite. Oh, because you were at a pre-wedding celebration and you were at a bachelorette.
Lip filler.
Yeah. And big, big blonde wigs. Several of them that she sort of cycles through throughout the whole series. But I think what you're getting at, though, is I kind of do agree. I think like the Tiger King people just all seemed so like...
like bad like clearly bad with no redeeming qualities like not even very funny where tanya there does seem to be a kind of like push pull in her desperation like she really does want to do the right thing by these animals and at one point the director eric good has to send in a
proxy director i don't think that's been a thing in documentary filmmaking he says it as if it's like normal but he basically hires a man who has also a kind of checkered history with exact animal dealing who also went to clown school to like fake his way into tanya's orbit and kind of become like the her observer and even that guy dwayne cunningham becomes kind of compromised by this he
also kind of gives in to Tanya's, like, really desperate appeals for help and is, like, on her side.
Basically, Tanya is working at a place with a lot of chimpanzees that are housing them. PETA is called, and PETA, after a legal battle, comes in to take the animals out to get a proper rescue center where they can live outdoors, not in cages, like a sanctuary center. And all of the animals are recovered except for one, Tonka, and she swears that Tonka died.
Like in the middle of the night, basically, the night before they were supposed to be like all taken out of this facility.
Yes. She says that he had that he has died.
Yes. For the record. And then she's in a hearing on Zoom where she says Tonka is dead, like bawling, sobbing. And then what happens?
That she's had Tonka the whole time. This was like the end of The Usual Suspects when he starts walking without the limp, if you've seen that movie. It was that shocking to me that she's been just crying, closes her computer, is like, oh, well, we got him. Runs downstairs and is like, yeah, he's been here the whole time.
Those are people who are all fucked.
That she had kept the secret from both like PETA and the documentary crew that's been following her around for months and months. I was like, oh, she's on some other shit.
I think that you are touching on something important, which is that there is a sense throughout the documentary, and part of what makes it compelling is that she really does think that she's doing the right thing. Yes. Like, she is the Erin Brockovich, she thinks, of chimpanzees, and yet she just is not doing the right thing. Right.
Like in all of these other cases, women who have raised chimps as like their children, basically, it all comes from like a, you know, wayward desire to nurture and all ends badly. And as it kind of did in this whole series where she ends up having to give up Tonka, but then a friend's chimp kind of mauls her, like takes her arm out of its socket, takes a big chunk of her ear, like, I don't know.
They're from there.
Yeah. It was a big wedding, too. It was nice.
Her son made the most like prescient point about all of this. He was like, she just wants something to care for. And you need, a chimp needs more care than any child ever could. And a chimp can't talk back. Yes. A chimp can't say no. And I have heard that the LA Times did a story about like how Tonka is doing now. And he is sucking and fucking at the animal sanctuary. Yes. And he also met his son.
They matched that he happened to be like very close to his biological son who was also in the animal sanctuary. It was very sweet.
300.
Yeah, that's a lot. And also, I want to respect their privacy, but I thought it was so touching that the bride wore a wedding gown that was worn by her grandmother, her mother, and her sister. It's a family heirloom, and it was stitched by her great-grandmother. I was like, that is so, like, touching.
It was MIA in a different sense for a minute. Okay. Oh my God. Well, Chimp Crazy, watch it.
Well, here we go. No, but tell them why the barbs are on the way.
Specifically between Jay-Z by proxy Kendrick Lamar and mostly Young Money, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne. And with us to discuss this, we have a very special guest, Clover Hope. is an acclaimed journalist and author of the book The Motherload, a comprehensive history of women in hip-hop.
Her writing has appeared in the pages of Vibe, Vogue, Esquire, Essence, Elle, GQ, The Wall Street Journal Magazine, The New York Times, Cosmopolitan, Wired, ESPN, and Billboard, among others. Among others.
She is currently a freelance writer and creative consultant. Clover, welcome. Also, I felt like that greens, beans, tomatoes, potatoes, like, no, you're so accomplished.
Yeah, well, yes. Now, are you a lover or a hater of rap beef? I love rap beef. Okay, good. Yeah. Perfect. Thank God. We have a good one for you today. So quick context. Basically, Kendrick Lamar was chosen as the Super Bowl headliner on the high of what I'm calling I Hate Drake Summer. Jay-Z's Roc Nation chooses the headliners for Apple TV. And I want to like...
No, it's like different generations.
set this up, but it's kind of a huge deal that Kendrick Lamar is Super Bowl headliner because he's the first rapper to headline solo. And the Super Bowl this year is going to be in New Orleans, which is the hometown of Lil Wayne. And Lil Wayne is like, I would say a little bit distraught that he wasn't chosen. And Nicki Minaj has taken up arms. Just direct quotes.
Well, you can wear whatever you want to the wedding that you won't be going to. How about that? How about that?
She says, got everything in the world, still spiteful and evil. Disgusting. Be happy, I beg. Go be fucking happy, nigga. In rap business, in women's business, When you got the politicians and the police, you good though. Plus that ugly, laughy, taffy alien. Hashtag gag city. One nigga took a knee. The other nigga took a bag. He gonna get you niggas in line every fucking time. Hashtag gag city.
Hashtag gag city throughout the bitch.
And I just want to like, I mean, Kendrick being the Super Bowl headliner honestly seemed kind of obvious to me. What did you think?
Because they're all Drake and Nicki are like under Young Money, which is Lil Wayne's. Collective. But I am like Nikki being so like online locked in. I'm like 20 tweets in a row. I mean. Yeah. Do these tweets surprise you at all or just another? It's just Tuesday.
Oh, you put out the big gun. Let's hear about your bachelorette. Okay.
I want to discuss one of these tweets where she says, and by the way, you don't know the half of what Lil Wayne has done for me and others. Wayne had Drake and I on his tour with no papers signed. He was on all of my mixtapes with no papers signed. This man has literally changed the face of hip-hop, the hair too. If you know, you know. He inspired so many to tat their faces and get locks.
And it's interesting for me to think about her saying Wayne is like a legacy play, which he is not that old. I don't know. Right, right.
No, I think I thought that was very interesting.
You know what? I can kind of see it.
That's an honor for him, actually. Have you ever interviewed Wayne? Like, what is his kind of vibe in person? Or what sense did you get from him?
Your stories were shocking. And just imagine what was on Close Friends. Not a lot. I was like, what couldn't make the cut on Maine at this point?
Well, that is kind of my – It was tough.
That was where I was going with the question, like, legacy artist, because absolutely, like, his impact is still felt. I don't hear anyone running it up. I don't hear anyone, like, any of his new stuff getting a lot of attention and making a lot of noise, which is why him doing the Super Bowl felt like, huh? Yeah.
Oh, my God. Iconic part of your lore. Do you remember when someone was getting fingered on your Instagram story and you didn't notice?
I do want to bring up, sorry, what Wayne said in response in some like interview. He said, I blame myself for not being mentally prepared for a letdown, for automatically mentally putting myself in that position. I thought there was nothing better than that spot on that stage, on that platform in my city. And then he thanked his supporters, Nicki Minaj.
And he said, I feel like I let a lot of y'all down for not getting that opportunity. Which, listen, I get sad. Yeah.
I do want to get into what I feel like is the macro level of this, which is Nicki versus Jay-Z, Roc Nation, and by extension, Beyonce. Sorry. No, we have to say it. Summoner. What does Laffy Taffy Alien refer to if not Beyonce? From Nicki's point of view. Am I crazy?
A lot of people catch strings whenever she starts.
us next maybe yeah oh gosh leave me out of this do you feel like there's a little bit of an irony about kendrick lamar let's say hotep in chief headlining the super bowl when he has been so you know at the forefront of being like a rapper talking about injustice talking about police brutality especially as like i would say the most acclaimed rapper of his generation do you think there's like something a little strange there
But also Super Bowl timing. These shows are like four minutes long. I mean, you have to also have like 10 minutes at least like to break it all down.
If he did, I wouldn't be mad. If he did, I wouldn't be mad. And he would. He plays no other song except Not Like Us. That would be so iconic. Are you kidding? I don't want to see him wearing that like diamond encrusted crown of thorns again. That was lame. I'm sorry. It was stupid. What do we want to see from him at the Super Bowl?
I think you're right. I think we won't get a ton of Drake stuff because it is it does feel like a kind of like legacy crowning achievement moment as much as the Super Bowl halftime show can be for someone who has a Pulitzer Prize. Yeah. But like to bring Drake into it honestly feels like then Drake again becomes the main character of this.
And then you know he'll be on Instagram live with something to say.
But listen, you go through what you go through. I'm reformed a little bit. But Clover, thank you so much for joining us. Where can people find you?
And they can find you in bookstores.
That was like a L. GQ. Yes. I was going to say Remy Ma because my dog is named after Remy Ma.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.
I was going to say that Desi doesn't have an Emmy, but he has me, but he actually has us both. Oh, trophy wives.
And someone please cut off Spectrum access to Gag City, please.
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And these are fucking bangers. Like, sorry, they are. We'll be back in the new year with some more hot topics with brand new episodes you won't want to miss. And as always, we'll still be too online so you don't have to be. I have something for you today. Because I went to Chopped yesterday. I found myself next to a Chopped.
That's special. That's special.
How much money did you spend?
How many dollars and how many like ush bucks?
I'm trying to imagine what microdosing facial is like.
Did you guys do like a theme night? Like a dress up day? Or like, what was the itinerary like?
I'm trying to think like what would my theme day be if I were on a bachelorette? It would be like your favorite HBO supporting character. Yeah.
They'll take you there spiritually and financially.
But those are the only two places I've ever heard about in Miami. Yeah, fair. Like the Arts District. Oh, and what's that like street party that they throw? Spring Break? No, in Miami. It's like the big thing that they do where like people are in the streets. Art Basel. Yes. Oh. That's the other thing I've heard of in Miami.
Same time zone. I used to work with a girl who flew home to Miami every weekend.
I think depression.
Actually, moving on. This week, we're talking about the Emmys, Chimp Crazy, and Rap Beef with the Clover Hope. And don't forget that we have a bonus segment that drops every Thursday only on Wondery Plus.
And to be clear, I'm younger than Peyton. And let me just say this.
Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions?
You lie.
A chicken wrap. Chicken salad wrap.
I think it must be Groundhog Day because we watched the Emmys last night.
These were the second Emmys in the year. That's what I was getting at.
Yeah, something like that. I had the Mexican Caesar dressing. A little squeeze of lime, a little salt and pepper? No, no squeeze of lime. I didn't know there was a salt and pepper option. There are too many options. It's too many questions that I'm being asked. It's too interactive.
Oh, my God. Okay. Well, the second Emmys of this year were last night. What was the first? The creative arts Emmys? No. No.
because of the hollywood labor strikes oh my god right the previous year's emmys were in january and then now the last year's emmys were this week yeah yeah anyway not that much really changed between the two of them though if we're being honest um anyway where did you watch the emmys oh miami got you so you were i was kind of laid out i had one eye open but i pressed play yeah same i was at home
And I don't know. I think it's, like, was it Emmy's fatigue from, like, just having seen a lot of these same winners and shows give speeches kind of so recently? But nothing really, like, moved me. Like, really only a few times was I, like, oh, I'm so happy I'm watching this show. Like, this was genuinely –
so moving and touching like and that was Liza Colon Zayas winning for the bear come on and then the Shogun wins like they have three pretty notable wins in acting and directing and I was like okay yeah was there anything going into it that you were excited about or looking forward to or you're just kind of like it's just the Emmys I have to legally press like
I think that I just felt like gunned to my head, okay, I have to press play. I mean, I did like Dan and Eugene Levy as hosts. I thought they were pretty good.
But yeah, I guess it did kind of all start to feel like... an episode of The Other Two, which has won no Emmys, but deserves them all. I'm talking about like specifically, I felt like out of my body shock and panic when like the voice from On High is like, and now to sing at the In Memoriam is Jelly Roll.
Girl, I was like, I don't know who's about to come out on this stage. I had no idea. I thought it was going to be, like, a masked singer person. Oh. And in many ways, he kind of was giving that. But I was like, huh, weird. But it was also, like, such a discordant kind of thing. Because the song was giving very much, like, suicide prevention.
Like, the lyrics were like, it's okay to, like, not be okay. But, like, Meanwhile was, like, an in-memoriam, like, segment. Yeah. About people who had passed away. It was just... That was like the strangest part of the Emmys for me. A lower point for you. It was a whoa for me. I was like, what is going on?
But that just felt like it encapsulated the whole night where I was like, more often than not, I was like, huh? Yeah. But that being said, happy for Shogun. Okay. What are your highs? What are your lows? Highs were the bare winning supporting actress. Hard.
Wow, you don't believe women.
Hi was also Selena Gomez giving a standing ovation, I think, to Jean Smart and then her looking over her shoulder to say something to Benny Blanco and him not giving a standing ovation, him just like sitting and clapping. That was like so funny to me for some reason. Other highs. Oh, Anna Sehwai from Shogun Winning. You could see in her face that she so clearly wanted it so bad.
How dare you?
And I was like, oh, so deserved. But I was just so like, wow, so nice to see people achieving their dreams. Also, a little up and coming New York actor named Desi from Girls.
Yeah. For actually like the either best or second best episode of that season of The Bear. I'm a fish's truther. Fish's was not a good episode of TV.
Yes, I bought low and I am keeping high.
Oh, she took it. She was like best dressed with the night for me, I think. Like her and also- Christine Baranski. Christine Baranski.
Stole it out from a lot of other women. Yeah. And I also want to give a shout out to Greta Lee's second dress. Her first dress, I did not like, but her second dress, I loved.
And the cutouts, I was like, oh, my God, body.
Like, body on a hundred million. And also, Cheryl Lee Ralph.
Her dress, her Versace was, that's, like, what Selena Gomez always thinks she's wearing when she puts on a black gown.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I love Bella Ramsey. I think they are so, I mean, obviously, I think I've talked about this before, but I love them in Catherine Called Birdie, the Lena Dunham movie on Amazon Prime that no one saw, that everyone should see because it really is that good and it moves me to tears every single time. You made me watch that movie, if you don't remember. I do remember. I needed something.
One of many things I've made you do that was for the best. True.
But I really like that, like, they are playing Ellie this season with a lot of almost, like, the annoyingness of being 19 when you think you know what's best for you and you think you know what you want to do. And, like, leaning into, I don't know, there's that, like, part of the character I think is really smart. Because what I like about The Last of Us is that no one is, like, perfect.
And you, like, understand everyone's motivations. Yeah. Even though they're always at cross purposes. Like, I totally see why Abby wanted to kill Ellie.
pedro pascal but then i also am like he shouldn't have died and he was doing the right thing for himself and that this sets up like this daddy issues kind of complex coming on the heels of white lotus girl if i were mike white i'd be pissed mike white god damn it
This isn't a menu. We'll see.
No, no. Actually, it's, like, it's a lot worse. It's, like, now probably damn near 99.
I'll take that.
Yeah, me too. I'm a real lover girl. Okay. Be quiet over there.
Well, as you can see, I'm in Oklahoma. Oklahoma. Back to her roots. Uh-oh.
Oh, Lord. Rare. That's too much.
Okay. I want to hear about the Childish and Petty Tour. How's it going?
That is about how it feels. I feel like, um, what's that blue girl's name from Inside Out? The one you be ragging on all the time? The girl you hate to see coming. Yes, her. Sadness? Sadness? The girl that you're like, literally, please, like, don't share your location with her. Take her off your location. That's how I feel. No, let me say this. I have to say a moment of silence. Holding it?
Know thyself. Actually, there's nothing wrong with that. I have to say, there's not a lot wrong with that.
Oh my goodness. Hunter's nodding a little too hard. Yes. Happy tour season. I'm a Leo, so I'm healed. Oh my God. No, you're not.
For the Pope. Oh my god! Okay, I'm sorry. The Pope who did say the F-slur, okay? A few times. Okay. And yet, I'm not going to say anything after that.
And that's because I'm not. And I wasn't. And I won't be. That's the real issue. Leo's behind bars.
You really are a lover. I love that.
When you hold it against them.
Well, I'm just saying, yes, I wished him the best, famously. And look, honestly, dying the day after Easter, a little bit, you know what I'm going to say, a little bit stunt queen. Yeah. Little bit knows what he's doing. You said, oh, he gagged us. A little bit good at his job. Yeah. And also dying after the conclave Oscar race. He said, girl, it's a Nora's. I prayed about it.
Get me back to God's country with a photo of his private jet. I was like, oh my gosh. I said, God is not picking up your calls. Let me tell you that. He's straight to voicemail. All right. God's country is New York City. Excuse me. It's Studio 8H.
Oh, and actually say that.
He said, I know better. I'm Black. I'm from Oklahoma. Of course, I grew up in the church. Oh, yeah.
Okay. I have one more question about SNL. Yeah. Trending topic. I don't know if you saw that there was the white POTUS sketch about the white Lotus and Amy Lou Wood, the actress found it very like personally hurtful for like making fun of, she felt her teeth. And I think Sarah Sherman sent her flowers after, but I'm wondering from your experience and point of view,
How do you navigate, I don't know, when like maybe a sketch hurts someone's feelings or do you think that it's like not that big of a deal?
That's how I know you're new to this. You're not true to this. That's how I know you weren't in the church. You didn't grow up in the church. I grew up near the church. Because I've been, duh.
He said, so I'm just going to breathe. And that, yeah, that's our friendship for sure. Yeah. No, for sure.
Yeah. Well, yes. And I have to say my favorite quote of his, after he got surgery, he was like, I'm still alive, though some want me dead. Talking about his like more conservative critics. I was like, oh, girl. Yeah. Was he a Leo? No, I think he was a Sagittarius. That's what I just saw on Twitter today, so I don't know. Oh, fire sign.
Oh, the jackpot. All four. Okay, second, New York.
Dating in your friend group.
I know someone tries to be long-winded, but I keep her. I hold her. I don't know who you're talking about, actually. I don't know who...
But he was pretty more liberal than you would think for, like, in the Catholic Church.
You too. Thank you.
Coachella means one thing to me as someone who's never been. And it's the photo of Leo DiCaprio whispering into the ear of Rihanna and her. It's very that one meme, you know, those like the black woman and the white boy in the pool and he's trying to talk to her. Yes. It's very that. Anyway, we're nine years removed from that. So 10 year anniversary, we will be reporting live on the scene.
Oh, Jesus. But how do you feel about Coachella this year? Lady Gaga, Green Day, Post Malone, Travis Scott, headliners.
Me. Oh. Child of God. Yeah. Let's just stick with the Pope. Let's just stick with him. I was reaching.
You're educating me because you girl, you know, Coachella is not on my radar. Unless Justin Bieber is headlining.
Did you see those videos of him? Yes. And it was a little scary. Yeah. It's making me sad. But what do you think about Charlie and the sash that people are talking about? The should have been a headliner. And then the other thing, Brad Summer is over. Now it's like Darren Aronofsky Summer. Okay.
It's very in conversation with like, we don't build statues of critics t-shirt. Yeah, but that's so her.
Let me say something about my sister. You've obviously never listened to Sympathy is a Knife while driving past your high school because it's a knife when the old fans hate the new fans.
Yep. Yep. I know why my allergies are bad because it's Taurus season. Oh, you're nasty like that.
I love that Great Gatsby ass song. I love it. I love it. And the eyes of Dr. TJ Echelberger on us all. Was it TJ? MJ?
Okay, the only thing that I saw organically from Coachella was James Charles on my For You page. I'm like, what? Who? Who? I'm saging myself. I'm putting a crucifix on the door. I don't know why. Every video, I couldn't get away from him.
I know. It's really Carrie Bradshaw banging on that window, degrees outside.
Well, now that you brought it up, I've been to Coachella twice.
Did you see Haim before Beyonce or no? Did I see Haim before Beyonce? Yeah, they opened for her. Yep. For Beachella.
And again, I grew up in the fires of the Baudelaire children. So yeah, The Last of Us isn't shocking me. I've been through a lot. I've been through it all, actually.
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Oh, I can tell you. Wait, I'm one week sober. On purpose? No, because I've been taking Tylenol. I just want to drink on it.
I'm like, girl, the things I've done, I've done more with less. Yes, I'm sorry. I love my liver. Excuse me. I love my kidneys. Excuse me. What are we talking about this week? Oh my God. Season two of The Last of Us and Coachella. And we're joined by Punky Johnson to talk about gay things, ghetto things, SNL, and Lisa from Temecula.
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Don't just slide SNL in the middle there because I'm actually so mad that I was down astronomical with a sinus infection.
Okay, let me say this. I'm watching this. I did not watch season or episode one as it aired. So I just watched them both together yesterday, Sunday. And kids who grew up on a series of unfortunate events. Yeah, we're okay. We're okay today. Because it's like things go from bad to worse to even worse to even worse than you ever thought possible before.
And there's suddenly a baby with really sharp teeth. Yeah. Things have just gone from worse to worse, sir. Series of unfortunate events, children, children raised by those book series. Yes, we know how bad it can get. And then it can always get worse.
And I couldn't go to the after party.
That's crazy given your lack of any curiosity about the church.
I liked it. It feels like it was so long ago now. But I...
vividly remember being in london on a trip up late watching the last of us like trying to like watch it with everyone else because i i really liked it it kind of reminds me like a western yeah like it reminds me of like oh my god unforgiven i feel like the last i suppose a lot to the clint eastwood movie unforgiven which i do really like a lot the only thing never mind i don't want to shake the table too much no shake it because i think i know you're gonna say go ahead and shake it's wobbly already shake it no you say it because if you say it it's not gonna sound as bad
Really? Yeah. Yeah, I'm scared to say it, but I agree. I thought that episode was lovely, but a bit, I would say, emotionally kind of obvious in its construction. And I think that there were a lot stronger episodes, particularly Ellie and her first experience of love.
He's the only person in my life and I hate him. But also her kind of trying to experience, she like has a crush on her. Bestie. As far as we know, straight best friend.
You call me straight every single day. Me too.
You said what?
No, but that was like, I love that how The Last of Us will weave in these like, you know, really human, emotionally complex stories about like love and coming of age and partnership and like family dynamics into what is also like a zombie apocalypse. Yeah. Dystopian kind of future. Yeah. I think that's what the show does really well.
No, had no idea. I'm not on the computer like that. I'm not a gamer like that. So I don't play these games. It's like you are on the computer like that, but you live on twitter.com.
No, I'm not playing. I play other games. I don't play those games. But I was... Caitlin Deaver, when I catch you, when I catch you... When I catch you, I'm giving you an Emmy. That's why I was thinking about the 52% of white women voting for Trump. I was like, oh, girl, white women, they need to be left in the past. Oh, my goodness. No, that was rough to watch.
But I have to say, her whole monologue... Okay, so key, like, setup for this is that in season one, Joel and Ellie went to the Fireflies with the militia group that they've been, like, trying to get to for... the entire season, basically they get to the fireflies and they want to sort of like harvest Ellie's blood to make a vaccine, which would kill her.
So then Joel kills all the fireflies, basically like shoots up a hospital and point blank shoots the surgeon who's like about to perform this procedure. And that ends up being the father of Abby, who then is like, I'm going to avenge my dad on some real shit.
But what I couldn't get over, I was like, okay, love Caitlin Deaver as an actor. I think she's very talented. And I do like her in this. Yes. But it was like kind of losing me when she's giving this whole monologue about like, oh, I want to kill you. I want to be slow. And Joel being like, I'm sorry, can you just like get it over with? Hunter, us. No, truly.
You know how I feel about a long-winded film. Me, long-winded. You being like, come on.
oh lord let's talk about a thesis statement thesis statement topic sentence and that's why I was standing with her I said no get things off your chest girl express yourself you have you have the time right now no I was like please and you know everyone else in that room was like oh god here she goes when she starts they're like sick of her like just do it pull out the gun we are stuck we are done all of her little friends were like oh girl they said you're lucky you get to die at the end of this we have to we're still friends with her she
I think that she, despite being pretty petite, I think she has like a real, and a lot of these things like intensity that is like, Ooh, I don't want to be stuck in an elevator with her. I'm clutching my purse a little bit closer.
I don't want to. Her in those little, those like almost like heeled sneaker hiking boots she was wearing. I was like, oh girl, I'm not trusting a girl in those.
But we saw those last season. I know, but watching it in action like that. We need to talk about all the new cast members. Oh, and there's a few. Let me say this. I'm so here for Ellie's maybe getting a girlfriend, that whole arc. But I do have two crushes on this show.
Their names are Young Mazino and Danny Ramirez.
Wait, who's Danny Ramirez? He was in Top Gun Maverick and he was like the guy on Abby's platoon. I don't know what I'm talking about. And her little posse. The one that like kicked Ellie when she was down.
Oh, yeah. Wait, so she's on Abby's, in Abby's, like, group chat? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. The black girl with the shaved head. Yeah. She's fine as fuck.
The wig in the first episode, I was like, mm, what's going on here? Yeah. What are they doing to my sister? What's happening here? And then the shaved head reveal, I was like, okay, it's all coming together. Freed her, freed her. And then to come, Jeffrey Wright. I love a man who loves an HBO check. I'm sorry.
But also, if you haven't seen Jeffrey Wright in Angels in America, the HBO miniseries directed by Mike Nichols, one of my favorite performances of all time.
You know what I was thinking, actually, just today? And we can get into this later. But, like, you know that, like, how 52% of white women voted for Trump used to be, like, a big thing in our culture? And now it's, like, well, actually a lot more than that did. Like, we're so far beyond that now, you know?
Interesting. Interesting. And your little tattoos. Yeah. It's giving like young person. It's giving young person.
I don't know. I guess we'll see. I do think, though, that I think we're a collision course between Danielle and Boston Robb over the Bob the Drag Queen eviction banishment. Yeah. But then I also think that that puts Carolyn in a power position because now there are three traitors and one of them needs her on their side. And she went with Boston Rob for the Bob banishment.
But now she's going to go with Danielle. Is Danielle going to be like making an alliance with her to get out Boston Rob? I don't know.
Well, watching that episode, I was like, I'm kind of on the wrong side of a race war right now. If it's Bob the Drag Queen and Danielle... I'm always on the wrong side of a race war. That's the biracial in you, in your feet on the couch. If it's Bob the Drag Queen and Danielle versus Boston Rob and Carolyn... I was on Boston Rob's side. I was like, he's making the better case.
And Bob the Drag Queen was disappointing me. He was disappointing me and our family.
Yeah. But I think that Rob is better at diffusing and like kind of, he's sneaky. He's from Boston. He's a white boy from Boston. Are you joking? Are you joking?
Wait, you said it. It can't be unsaid.
Leave it. Oh, the other thing I liked about this most recent episode, episode four, is that I love to fast forward through a traitor's challenge. Why? Because I'm like, I don't want to see you guys in a moat. I don't want to see you in an obstacle course. I don't care.
Falling and floating.
No, I'm just kind of like, can we fast forward through these challenges, please? But this one, we had to carry the big, I don't know, Easter Island heads up the hill. It was very good. And I also liked Bob the Fashion King with his Tom Brown. Tom Brown had to go every single day. A vest. I was like, athleisure. Oh my gosh.
Him, I thought that was a really like moving, you know, kind of moment where I was happy that I didn't fast forward entirely through the challenges. I fast forward through some of it.
I don't know, but I wish you could because the only thing I don't like about the traitors is that they really do kind of drag out a lot of the intros and exits to scenes. I'm like, oh, girl. Is it too early to name any predictions? I kind of think that Boston Rob is going to try to take Dylan-
And I got it before I was out. He said, this pussy hat.
Efron to the end but I am afraid that Dylan has that kind of white boy gene that I think pilot Pete had where he can get very self-righteous very full of himself very like I have one win I can do it all know it all boots and really like get annoying quickly I'm just gonna say I'm just gonna say I think he's gonna get annoying and I hope to god it doesn't happen
Those hands. Yeah, those hands do look like you like don't have to pay back student loans yet. Like that six month grace period. That's what those hands are giving.
Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our healthcare system.
Literally, yeah. Truly, since the very beginning. Watching Roni changed my life. It changed my cellular dynamic. For the better? Rona Singer's in my mitochondria. What's a mitochondria? Girl, I don't know. What I do know is that you are finally watching Roni. Yeah. The OG. The original.
Yeah, because what did Garby93 say? Your polite golf clap whenever I would talk about how Roni is changing my life.
Which, pivotal season, Scary Island. Ever heard of it? Ever taken a trip there? Hopefully never. Hunter probably has, actually. I lived there. She's a property owner. I received mail there.
For now. I don't know about the drone stuff that's happening on her TikTok. I don't even want to touch that right now because she's so, oh my gosh. But she is like audience proxy in these early seasons where she's the only person who's like, do you see what's happening? Like, what is going, what are you talking about, Ramona Singer? What are you talking about?
She was like, that's so cute. That's so good, fellas. They don't feel like you're in construction. Well. Anyway, if I say the words, speaking of being young, Aaron Pierre, that's Mufasa. Aaron Pierre, that's Mufasa. Are you a Jay Hudson lover now? You know I have one political opinion. She does not need a daytime TV show. Sorry. It's true. It's true. And let me say this.
She's trying to continue to live. What is the quote?
The model walk is so like small potatoes compared to where she has gone and where she will go. Let me say that. Really? Oh, girl.
Ramona is truly, I read this in the newsletter too, like whoever cast Ramona Singer, notice I said cast, not casted, we're grown. Whoever cast Ramona Singer, truly straight to the head. do not pass, go, go straight to jail. At the same time, though, I mean, your face should be on the Statue of Liberty. Yeah, we actually owe a medal of freedom.
Like, no, let's call Joe Biden out of his crypt and put a medal around your neck. You've got one last thing to do. Because, sorry, like Ramona Singer, she, there's no one else like her.
Oh, but you've loved.
I'm so happy you feel that way because we're about to get into it. We will. And then, oh, Luanne. Luanne is very tame. She does change a lot. Okay.
This is not a good Luann era. I think it's very funny and like is it season one or two whenever she asks Bethany's driver to call her countess? And it's like, wait, what? But I remember very specifically when I started watching Old Rony like from the beginning and I tweeted how Luann reminds me so much of Marnie. Like someone was trying to keep it all together, but like truly is like a mess.
Meanwhile, getting fully divorced, being like, money can't buy you. Yes, yes. And someone was like, what are you talking? Like, you're so stupid. Who are you talking about? And someone responded and was like, oh, it's early Luann. And she's very Marnie. And she goes totally in the opposite direction later on. But this is, yeah, this is a tough time for her.
Because she's also under Jill's thumb in the Bethany-Jill fallout in like a crazy way. So don't hold this against her.
Sonya really is, like, beautiful.
Let's say me at the same time. Okay. Oh, wait. Oh, shoot. Let me think about it.
Yeah. Okay. Let's say me.
The fact that the only thing you know about the Jennifer Hudson show is the part that she's not even a part of, does that not speak volumes? Does the tunnel video? Does that not say it all? Yeah.
And there's nothing bad about that. I didn't say. But no, the thing that is very Luann about me that I always think about is how Luann says, Sonia, Sonia. And I say Peyton, Peyton.
Yeah. You see what I did there?
But also, she's broke and so in love with her ex. Like... oh my god did you just call me poor no I'm just saying like there's so many things about Sonia that like don't make sense that like don't align to you like you're not like clutching onto your townhouse but I am like a lesbian so I'm always like yearning for like
Interesting. Interesting.
And you will be held accountable. I stand by it. I don't think there's anything about that.
Okay. Scary Island. Scary Island.
Okay. Also, can I say, a friend of a friend did a screening of Scary Island at the Angelico for their birthday. Oh, my God. Icon. Icon. We have to do that. We have to do that. Coming soon. Okay. So Scary Island, it's a trip that Ramona organizes. And all the women except for Jill and Luann go. Yeah. And at this time of the show, it's two sides, Kelly, Jill, and Luann on one side.
And so the fact that Kelly is the only person from their clique on this trip is very important because she feels very alone. Yeah.
Yes, they all told her not to go and she still went. And then Bethany hasn't sold Skinny Girl yet, isn't rich, but she's like kind of the chef. And so she's like trying to make it nice, Dorinda, for these women. And I think Kelly truly like... has a breakdown. Like she has a break from reality.
No, I've never seen it on the show. I've only seen it on social. The times that I have watched it, the Jennifer Hudson show while I'm getting my hair done. Yeah. And that's been quite a few times actually. So I'm actually very aware of how it's not very good. But... I love it. That's how it works for me. I love Aaron Pierre.
Left the island. Never came to the island actually. The mental health left the room. And she said, and scary island hilariously enough comes from her where she's like, I'm alone on scary island. And she runs around this house like the tomb raider. She's haunting them. And it starts whenever Bethany wants to do a nice thing.
She also a branded thing where she leaves tote bags for every girl that's like branded skinny girl stuff. But it's like a nice gesture. And when Kelly Ben Simone opens the action, what is this? Everything is branded. It's all Bethany-centric product. And then she lays back on the bed and starts to weep. I said, oh, something's going on. There's something in the air. Because it's crazy.
No, and thank you so much because I literally have tears in my eyes. Okay, a few things I want to discuss. Kelly, first of all, it starts like at this dinner or like the dinner starts with Kelly on the phone with her daughter on speaker. So rude. Yes. In a room full of people. Yes. Ramona, so normal, so like logical.
It's like, hey, would you mind just like going to the other room if you're going to talk on speaker chair? Kelly freaks out. She's like, how dare you talk about my daughter?
It's like, hold on. What?
You know, Barry Jenkins, he's responsible for almost every crush I've had in the last five years. No, I was at Stefan James. Excuse me, Coleman Domingo. Excuse me. The older Chiron in Moonlight. What was his name? Trevante Rhodes. Trevante Rhodes. Yes. Except for that one. Jarell Jerome. Is that his last name? I can't remember. Yeah. Where is he? He's in a new movie. Oh, this is not even a plug.
There's also like the cutaways to Ramona. She doesn't even end the conversation. She's just like, what's going on? Like, what are you talking about? Ramona's confused. Oh, girl. And the way Bethany walked down was like, something's already going wrong. Oh, my God. Something already happened. Like appetizers aren't even out. We just got salsa. Kelly is like talking about jelly beans.
She's like, I need to go get my jelly beans. There's a full dinner. She won't eat the steak because she thinks that Bethany is trying to poison her. Crazy. She's like, I had a dream. I threw up. I thought Bethany was going to try to kill me with a butter knife. She's calling, oh my God, what's her name? The white girl, the blonde one. Alex, she's calling Alex deranged.
She's like, Alex, she had white face and black makeup on, like black eyes. She was channeling the devil. Alex, like at this point, like isn't even talking. He's like not even contributing to the conversation. Alex is like, but you just took photos of me this afternoon.
You hate all these women, actually. You hate women. Bethany, okay, I'm glad you brought that up. Because then Bethany is like, what are you doing? Nothing's going wrong here for you. Like, okay, tell me what's going on. Like, I can handle the truth. Tell me the truth. And then Kelly's like, okay, I'll Sharpton. Al Sharpton?
First of all, that was a reference to A Few Good Men. And it's like, Al Sharpton, what are you talking about? But when she says, put your hair up, Al Sharpton, I was like, is she trying to say that she looks like Al Sharpton? I was so confused. It was so crazy. So I'm trying to defuse the situation desperately.
And then Kelly says something about like, you went after my friend in the press, my friend Gwyneth. And it's like, Gwyneth who? Paltrow. Paltrow. You know Gwyneth Paltrow is like, who are you? Gwyneth Paltrow doesn't even remember her own co-stars, okay?
Kelly where? Kelly Catrone? No. Like, it was crazy, crazy, crazy. And then an underrated part is the next morning, Alex McCord, Jill Zarin flies in, Alex McCord shaking, hands shaking, body shaking. She like starts dissociating, like, I need you to leave. I can't have any more drama. It's been enough. Enough has happened. Like I said.
Three-part reunion. Is that normal? Yes. Really? Because there's always a lot to discuss. I rewatched Scary Island, but I didn't rewatch this reunion. But I already know that Kelly, I just hate the way that she's always like, it doesn't matter. Who cares? It doesn't matter. What does this matter?
What happened? Who bullied you? Who hurt you? Exactly.
And I think, was this the season that Andy was like, because we're on a TV show and this is what we talk about at the reunions. Yeah.
Like she's so invalidating and it only continues. It never changes. I'm talking about fucking coconut tree resident.
Knew me. Kelly. It's so crazy, too, because even like whenever anyone still talks about Scary Island, it's like it was worse than you thought. I think later, like years later, I think even on camera, maybe Bethany talks about it. And she was like, there was something you didn't even see on camera. Like it was just it was too insane. She runs around the house like a dementor.
Awesome. That's all I need to know. And Aaron Pierre, who was in Underground Railroad. That's Mufasa. And now Mufasa. No, I'm sorry, Barry Jenkins. Who's next? Who's next for us? Who's next for our crushes? Yeah.
Like, she's not running. She's floating.
But at the end of the day, I think history will frown upon Kelly Benzema. She only seems crazier and more manic in retrospect. Mm-hmm. And it will smile upon Alex McCord because, listen, she didn't want to start any drama. She really does try to like be genuine and keep peace. You don't, I haven't seen this yet, but later she really does try to keep the peace between like Ramona and everyone else.
Okay. And yeah, she gets, you know, all the backlash. You know what I mean? And now she's in Australia as like an eating disorder therapist. Oh. Ever heard of an empath? Ever heard of a big heart? Great for her.
God, I would love for this to be a Veep episode. Okay, so TikTok on the chopping block? Yes or no? Apparently, yes. The Supreme Court just decided to ban TikTok. Like they sided with the Biden administration that the apps like Chinese owners have to divest. But now the Biden administration is saying that they won't enforce the ban, leaving it up to Trump to like handle once he gets into office.
So not my business anymore. And that's called government. Oh my girl, make up your mind. Not nose goes of the government. Like that's crazy. Truly. They said, oh, it ain't me actually.
Yes, I haven't. I can't unhear like a red nose, like, like, like, like a red nose.
Okay, sorry. I know. You're listening to all this, like, nothing to say, nothing to add, nothing to add. You're like, oh, these are all too normal and conventionally handsome and charming men for me. I want someone in a little scarf who looks diseased.
Well, you know how people in government work. Slow as hell to do anything. They're like, oh, shit, oh, shit, oh, shit.
Yeah, we talked about Lemonade last week.
Of course, I saw a tweet of a TikTok that said that Red Note is basically like Tumblr meets Pinterest meets Instagram meets TikTok. Yeah.
I'm excited to dive into this new and intriguing world. Wherever my man, what's his name again? That one TikToker that I love. LaVell. LaVell. Wherever LaVell goes, I'm going, honey.
It's not great.
Yeah, that's on data mining.
Because this is what I want to see. I don't want to be welcomed to a new platform. That's why I don't like threads. I don't like that. No, no, no, no. Sorry, I grew up on Twitter. I grew up on Tumblr and Twitter, bitch. If you don't meet me at the door with a knife, I'm not interested. If you don't meet me at the door, it's like, get away. I don't want to be there.
If you don't have a gun to my head, my God, hating is in your veins.
In your blood. It is. Open up your heart to right now. No, no, no, no, no. We'll see. I know.
I don't want to be shopping first. I want to be served Club Chalamet saying, thank God for the fire that consumed my home because it's only made me double down more on Timothee Chalamet deserving his first Oscar.
But I will be watching this movie. Oh, actually, transition. You know what I will be watching? Say it. The Robert De Niro movie, The King of Comedy, this Friday at Metrograph. I will be hosting a screening. It's not sold out, but it will. Speaking in faith. It is literally one of my favorite movies of all time. I know so much of it by heart. I'm so, so, so excited to do this.
Yeah, now I'm being turned off. I do have a little bit of like perverse joy after suffering the loss of Twitter to Elon Musk. Now it's like, oh, now the children, now they're going through it. I already went through it a year and a half ago.
You're so annoying. You're so annoying. What?
That really is it for this week.
I hope somewhere, somehow, Kelly Ben Simone is running in traffic.
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Oh, I'm so glad you asked. We're talking about season three of Traders today, which it is so good. This season is so good. Or at least this most recent episode was amazing. We're also talking about TikTok's possible replacement and possible ban. The new app is Red Note. And I have so much to be grateful for this week.
Everything I just said, plus Peyton finally clocking in, locking in to Real Housewives of New York, the original. Oh my God, guess who I saw literally today before I came here? Who? Who? Bren. Bren from the new Roni. Where? In Times Square? Eyelash place. We're both getting our eyelashes done. NBA slashes, baby. And this is only part one of our Roni conversation. Yeah, there will be more to come.
So let me say this. Let me say this.
Oh my gosh. She will.
So how do you know you can skip it? I knew you hadn't watched it. That's just what the people say. And I listen to the people.
That one I actually care about.
Okay. The winner of season two was just so infuriating to me that I was, like, totally turned off of The Traitors almost. Like, I honestly could not press play on season three. But I did. And after this most recent episode, I'm so locked in.
Yes, episode four of season three. I thought this was such a good episode and honestly perfect. And the dynamic of, like... seasoned actual game players versus more like reality TV players. Like, because they both have very specific styles of play. I thought this was like a perfect episode of television. Perfect episode of The Traitors.
Okay, here we go. This is how we get off track.
She's a neck tattoo.
We'll get into it. And lastly. And Boston Rob. I know you love Boston Rob. He's just your type. I'm down. Delirious for Boston Rob. And that's what I'm talking about when I say your taste in men needs to be challenged. It needs to be challenged. It needs to be challenged. Actually, lock me up. I, despite, I watched Tony seasons of Survivor. I've not watched any Boston Rob season.
That's like my big Survivor blind spot, but it's working for me. I'm like, oh, I see how you can whip those votes into shape. It's very much giving House of Cards. I mean, he is like whipping the vote. Okay. How do you think the traders are playing this season so far? Honestly, not well. And I'm going to say, okay, first, Bob, the drag queen, is not as good at this game as he thinks.
He's way too loud. I think the perfect traitor needs to be like a little bit low key. You want to be in the shadows. You don't want to be, that's what kind of Phaedra's problem. And that was not the fault of her gameplay. It was what's his name? Dan, was that his name?
Who like really put the spotlight on her as he was leaving. But I think Bob is being way too loud and obviously like obnoxious. Also, the murders are not making sense. Dorinda, first of all, mother, how dare you? Second of all, what is the strategy there? There was none. Yeah. I think Danielle thinks that she's so smart, but the crocodile tears are going to get old very quickly.
Already have, honestly. Yes. And then Carolyn, I think, unfortunately, because no one's listening to her, the other trait, she says one thing, every other traitor is like, what? Just truly, they're like, I don't care what you have to say. Cuts away to her being like, so once again, no one will hear me. Like, this doesn't make sense. So I think it's a perfect power vacuum for Boston Rob to come in.
Which he does and kind of direct takeover. In this most recent episode, episode four, Bob the Drag Queen kind of puts the spotlight on Boston Robb and says that he thinks a traitor is going to be one of the three men to like the late arrivals who are from like the more gamey challenge Big Brother Survivor series.
And Boston Robb does not take kindly to that and then has a knife out for Bob the Drag Queen. Quick. But he should because Bob the drag queen is going to get them all found out. Yeah.
At every roundtable, he'll, like, come out very strong against someone. And it's like, you are, like, doing too much. Because I think – I can't remember who it was. But someone is starting to note it. Was it Dylan Efron who was, like, the only person who – I know that he was the first to accuse Bob the Dragon of being a traitor.
But someone, I can't remember, at the roundtable was, like, the only way you know someone is 100% a traitor is because you're also a traitor. Yeah.
Well, okay, yes. So then what happened was that Boston Rob just played it so expertly. Like talked to kind of like the slowest people to come to any kind of conclusion in the house and said, I think it's Bob. I think it's Bob. And then what very smart, he kind of, I think he is and also should continue to give Dylan the win.
Make this Dylan's win and not his own and kind of act like, oh, Dylan had convinced him because that's what's going to like keep him in the game longer. You don't want to be like the mastermind.
Yeah. So I was surprised that he took the lead in that. Well, I think he had to come out and force more because they were not jumping to any conclusions. The other thing, too, is that Gabby, the lesbian who's on The Bachelor, is that her name? Yes. Queen. Love her. Well, she heard Danielle in that room. Yeah. And then was so easily dissuaded. I was like, oh, my sister.
No, she heard you.
Yeah. You'll have room for another one.
Who are your top contenders? After this episode, I love Nikki. I thought Nikki, listening to people's steps, I was like, okay, she is really thinking about it. I don't understand that man from whatever show that I haven't watched being really after her, thinking she's a traitor. I also don't understand people thinking Ciara is a traitor.
And that's a different podcast.
Okay. Okay. Let me say this. Okay. I have not watched one episode of Pump Rules. I don't know anything about Skandoval. Someone explained it to me drunk at a party once and I still don't really get it. But what I do know is I saw one photo of him in like an orange suit of some type. And I thought, okay, wait, that's funny. He looks like he's from Scooby-Doo. That
After Alan Cumming chose the traitors. I'm telling you, this made word profit. Eyes tweaking looking around the room.
Pump Rules. Okay. Okay. This is the thing. I have to simply... I'm almost done with my Roni watch. We'll get to that. After that, I'm going to start Beverly Hills. And after that, I'm going to start Pump Rules. If there's still a planet, if there's still a world to exist in at that point. You have a long road ahead of you. Okay. But let me get to my actually big takeaway from this episode.
So, Boston Robb takes out Bob the Drag Queen. He successfully gets everyone to vote him out. Danielle is mad about that, which, girl, could not care less about Danielle. The fact that she, weeping after she voted for Bob the Drag Queen to get taken out, and then in her post-interview, she's, like, crying and all this stuff. And Bob the Drag Queen is like, the game is the game. I don't know.
She's like... I couldn't believe that I had to vote him. He was my writer guy. Because these girls think it's real life. These girls are like my one gay friend. I know. But the way that Danielle is crying to the faithfuls and then crying to camera, I'm like, is she playing us the same way that she's playing them?
No, that entirely matches my experience of him. Also, they got me three drinks at Swing because we didn't know which one I would like. And Connor, damn near the trunk of the car, is like, whatever Hunter doesn't have, I'll have.
No, I did specifically say, I cannot have anything with caffeine. Just sugar, please. But yeah, she did have this really funny time where she was like, well, listen, Taylor does a really good job of keeping herself relevant. And I was like, ah, Whitney. You're so funny. But she, this is a great season for her. It is, actually. Redemption Arc boots. Yeah.
Especially, I think one of the other parts, too, that we talked about is like, you know Chase, Miranda's husband, who kind of set off the swinging drama?
Because he was one who was like, oh, I have feelings for Taylor. Taylor was like, I do not have feelings for you. I was telling Whitney... It's rare that I hear every single person in a cast of reality TV show talk shit about one person and he comes on screen and it's like, oh, I heard about you and for a good reason, actually. Oh, I cannot imagine a more deplorable person.
Yeah, he came on screen and I smelled it. Even the way he was pointing at her, I was like, you were dressed as Justin Bieber and it was pretty sorry. It was in the worst era of Justin Bieber.
No, and they wouldn't even give me a table or like anything after I posted about where should I watch the game. Everyone was like, Fancy Free, Fancy Free. I was like, well, girl. Now, I wasn't called a fine ass Spike Lee for nothing. I know about Fancy Free. Who could do that? A man in my DMs. You remember this. A man DMed me. as a compliment and said, you look like a fine ass Spike Lee.
Because even the way that he was doing it, it's like you were trying to be a jerk.
Yes, yes. It was so high school boy. Oh, my gosh. Here's the thing. Will Mom Talk survive? What is that boy, Mauricio? From Vanderpump Villa.
I kind of... Also, Briceo just insisting on drinking straight, like, mezcal or tequila in his one little scene. I liked it. I was like, you are chaotic.
I was like, oh, girl. Montauk might not survive this.
Ew. Ew. I didn't say all that. I kind of wish he had given this confession to someone other than Layla. Because you know Layla is going to be like, should I tell people or should I not?
No. I don't believe it. I mean, Jessie to me has, like, grown. Like, she had a swinging history of her own a little bit. She, whatever, was married before. Every time she talks, I'm like, wow, you've had, like, a whole life outside of this.
Well, she's 32.
Everyone else's brains are developing. Yeah, yeah. But I don't believe that. Risking... I mean, not that I care about her husband that much, but risking her whole life for this man who literally is like... He was shifting too much in that chair for me.
It's kind of like when you give yourself your own nickname and you try to get other people to do it.
Like, if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.
Only the best. Okay, Joel. I have a very important question for you.
Are you a lover or a hater?
And short and smart. And I was just about to say that. Spike Lee turning a basketball jersey into a zip up vest. Listen. You're so 2008. He's so 3000. Like, oh, wow. How'd it feel? How was your game? Well, we won. Hey. And someone was like, say something nice about Boston. I was like, they lost. So that's a nice thing I can say about them. Well, they're playing the Celtics.
But there's more to love, yeah.
And that's why you're the host of Love Hotel. Now it's coming around. Now I see what you did there.
Okay, so now I have to ask, are you a lover or a hater of being set up, like setups?
I've never tried to set you up. Oh, one time. One time. And the other party asked to be set up with you.
No, that's so true. Every time I've been set up, I've honestly been very surprised. I've been pleased. But I'm glad that they weren't like, oh my God, you're so dumb. We found a big dummy for you.
Wait, that is such a sweet story.
It's always going to grow from that. Okay, I'm loving Love Hotel. Thank you.
Yes, it's so fun. And also I need a vacation so bad. So it really is scratching that itch for me, let me say. Okay.
Okay. I was in London for work.
It was not sunny there. Okay. I need to know, did you have any favorite hosts like on TV or like MTV, anything that like inspired how you approached hosting the show?
She did her big one. She did her big one.
I'm calling it.
I don't know if you knew that.
Well, I heard about you because I talked to your mom at your event at Mommy Issues. You talked to Ellie the Elephant about me? No, I talked to Alicia Keys about you. And she told me Peyton threw a tantrum at the nail salon.
I also, it's kind of like watching like people like whip the votes in Congress. Like, okay, so I want my, I want to give him my key, but like can you kind of help me out here and like give your other key to like this other guy that I like.
We are also both novices, but Rony was my... Well, that's not true. Atlanta was my entry, and then I got onto Rony so late. But what is Luann? What is the Countess like?
I'm wearing shorts. It's summer. Yeah.
But every, oh, darling.
Now, wouldn't that be a Lorde song?
Or three seconds. I'm so glad you brought it up because what do you think are the biggest red flags that are like in dating or what were you looking for when you were dating?
We're both newly single after long relationships. And sometimes I'm like dreading a first date. I'm like, oh, here we go. Let me put on this lip liner.
I mean, I think traitors, too. I was going to say, I have two pitches. Cynthia Bailey and Brenda Medley. Oh.
Okay. Famously, you brought Pride and Prejudice to the Pines with Fire Island. This year marked the 25th anniversary of the Keira Knightley Pride and Prejudice movie. Do you have opinions about that movie? Was that an important adaptation for you?
Well, I'm familiar. I was on Tumblr in the year 2011. So, yeah, I saw Matthew McFadden's hand a lot. I thought we would all kind of light up the way I did.
I think the meat rack is a gym where a lot of really buff guys go. That's a great educated guess.
He gave me these legs. What am I supposed to do? Hide them? You sound like me, bitch. Ew. Sting. Oh, no. I missed you. Couldn't you tell? Actually, I could. Yeah.
Ice Palace? Yeah. Oh, I think the Ice Palace is a snow cone shack. where people can go and go on dates, kinda like icy dates. We had that at church camp, icy dates.
This sounds like a vintage shop where you might find Charlie XCX trying on clothes in the back.
So I just want to know, what would you have liked her to do? Sit there, gotten her nails a snafu on every finger? Yes. Just out of solidarity? Yes. No, no, no.
That sounds gorgeous. Wait, I know.
We really are ideating in this.
Joel, thank you so much for joining us. It was such a pleasure. We cannot wait to keep watching Love Hotel. And where can people follow you?
What does it stand for?
Listen, Lorde is not my bag. She's not my little like canvas tote.
No, it wasn't. But I like solar power. I like the winter. In case this.
It shook mine too. Sometimes I will listen to that again and like really start like getting emotional.
It is confusing to be a girl.
The cover. Cover story. Written by Britney Spanos. Yes.
That's me.
I would do it a little bit more delicately. Like, oh, they're asking on stage. Like, something like that.
Yes, I would like to know, just so I can... Be respectful.
Respect.
Yes.
Okay.
I like what she asked. But asking straight up. Because also I'm like, they can't know each other that well. No. Maybe they are fast friends. They are. But I'm like, you haven't been knowing her for like a while. Like you just. So what's up with your gender? Like, wow.
But I guess I did forget that on the Met Gala red carpet, when Lorde was talking about her dress, she was like, oh, because I have the back out because it's kind of man and woman. Oh. I'm not making a joke. That's like, that's basically what she said.
I cannot believe you locked your... She carried you for nine months. And you locked her out of the home where you pay rent? Where you pay your little rent?
Yeah, well, I guess I just have to say I appreciate someone willing, what? No, I'm just laughing at Demi Lovato. Oh, queen. Lord. Stream skyscraper. But I think it's very bold to be so publicly living in the like nuance of it's not, I'm not this or that, but I'm like still figuring this out like myself.
airpod max is on and you're not gonna come out as a lesbian oh see my gosh oh my gosh yeah i have a bone to pick it's you are like i don't even know you're like that like the you're you're you're what they say when they talk about the woke mind virus
Oh my gosh. And I know I've been irritating you since 1994.
No, there's nothing for me there. I respect it, but there's nothing for me there.
But I have a bone to pick with you. No, don't. We're in public. We're in this company. Because where was I when you went to the sweat tour, to the brat tour? Where was I? I don't know. I was in the ally then, was I? Well, Lord is straight, so you don't need to be an ally to her. I don't want to see that. I wanted to see Charlie, but then my ticket got taken.
Oh, that is actually, I'll say one of the more crazy things I've ever heard come out of your mouth. In the decade plus we've been friends.
I love that.
Dude, it's good. Yeah. What was that? Top of the charts. Oh, not what was that. I wouldn't say that. Oh, I liked that song. I didn't. I thought it should have been harder. It should have been harder, louder, faster. The beat drop should have been bigger.
Maybe so.
That pregnancy roulette? Absolutely not. Oh my goodness. The worst thing I've seen on TV in a long time.
We're going to be at Eats Con this year on June 28th. Yeah, we are in our bicostal bag, so remember that. Not me. No, I'm not bicostal. Don't put that curse on me, demon.
Yeah, no, I hope the comments are hot for you. Me too.
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Because what are we talking about this week? Oh, I'm so glad you asked. This week we're talking about the secret lives of Mormon wives. Speaking of disrespecting mothers. Oh, here you go. Getting ready to lock in. Shake the table. And also Lorde, the return of Lorde. And then we're joined by Joel Kim Booster to talk about Peacock's Love Hotel, of which he is the host. So let me...
Just say this, actually. I'm sorry, excuse me. I'm hearing reports. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinion?
You've changed. And so has the set. Oh, wait. I love what you did there.
I'm going to stop you right there. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Hulu.
I'm going to shake the table. Season two is better than season one by far. I would actually agree. Of course you would agree. First of all, there's so much more happening. They definitely have a bigger budget, wider berth. Because remember, season one ends so abruptly with the Macy hearing that Taylor's boyfriend was shooting on her.
No, we got to. I will say the set got her body done. She did. Her body is too. Yep.
Okay, so last season finished with Whitney Lovett dramatically leaving the MomTalk group chat, and the whole show was about will MomTalk survive? But this season, she's trying to work her way back into everyone's good graces, and the group is divided first over a feud that is between Jen Affleck and Demi Lovett. Don't know her last name.
And then eventually becomes against like between Jen and Taylor who is like the leader of MomTalk has the most followers is like the whole reason why MomTalk exists and also came forward with the whole swinging drama which is like what started season one.
She's a good friend of, yeah. She comes in very like, she has really strong scenes in the beginning and then kind of like goes by the wayside, which is fine because, ugh. Well, Halloween. We'll get to the Halloween party because we have a lot to say about the Halloween party. Nothing to bring together like a messy white man. Okay.
What it do? Number 52, what did you do? The J-Lo thing. Oh, I love having a pen in my hand.
I was so shocked when I pressed play on this about like how much it happened, like how much there is to catch up on from episode one. That Jen and Zach, they had this whole fight last season over going to Chippendales. They are no longer together, separated. But then very quickly in the season, Jen finds out that she's what?
And I felt so truly sad. Yeah. To just imagine what is going on in this woman's life where she is, like, trying to work on her marriage, figure out if she even wants to be with this loser of a husband. She doesn't. But is now, like, pregnant and trying to be excited.
Yeah, she starts sobbing immediately. But I think she is trying to like, you know, she says like every child is a blessing and like, but how can I bring a child into like what I don't even know is happening with my marriage right now? It was very sad. Macy and Michaela. So Michaela, another very moving story. Yes. Despite not being so present in season one, Michaela has this
In fact, I feel like I'm about to get like in trouble. It's red too. Maybe you will. It writes in black. Okay. I have to say. Orange and blue skies. I have been a lifelong New York Knicks fan.
real moment of vulnerability where she said that she was sexually abused as a child. And because of that, she felt like she was always hiding and not being very open. And now she wants to really stand up for herself more.
No, everyone. And speaking of who was locked in, no one more than Demi and Jessie. Oh, they were on their Zoom. Wait. No, they circled in every Scantron saying, I'm the star. At least Demi did for sure.
Layla, honestly, kind of reminds me of you. No offense. No offense. Say it. The way that Layla does not stand on business at all.
Lays down. To any degree. Lays down on business.
Late in the season, Layla is like, Taylor, I got you, girl. Yes, yes. I will stand up for you. I support you. Taylor has a confrontation. Layla, she looks over at Layla. It's crickets. Layla doesn't even make eye contact with her. She literally is looking up and around. And then even before that, she's like so in with Jesse and Demi.
And then at one dinner, they like all write the like, who do you have a problem with or have confessions. And she writes her confession. Then like it cuts away. She doesn't have anything to say about it. I was like, you just said you had a problem with Taylor. And that's why I love her.
Listen, I'm like, I don't know. I want to like Layla so much. I think that she is like, I mean, she's beautiful. Yeah. And she's cute in all of her little videos. But no, she is cute in her TikToks. Okay. But I prefer her content to Mikayla's. I don't follow any of them. Well, because Mikayla is all she has to do. What did Whitney say?
Listen, Whitney said, I'm putting food on that woman's table the way she talks about me. End period.
Well. Come here. I think we lost that battle.
At least with her. Sorry. Already. And then one thing I want to talk about. Taylor's deciding what to do about her and Dakota. Dakota's her boyfriend, who truly, I'm gonna say he's about 13. Emotionally. The last thing he heard is what he'll just repeat. And it's like, but wait, what are you talking about? Unfortunately, that boy makes me laugh.
Even his confessionals, when he's sitting in a collared shirt, I'm like, you're playing cosplay. You're playing dress-up as an adult man.
I've been a lifelong Knicks fan since Monday, May 12th. And period. I went to a Knicks game. You did. Truly, I was awful with my mom. She was like, are you going to the game? I was like, no, I don't have $1 million. The nosebleeds were $700. Yep. But then a friend of a friend had tickets and was like, you guys can come. I was like, oh, thank God. So you didn't make it to Fancy Free?
It's crazy, they fight all the time. And later in the season, they're like, wait, so you guys have been fucking on the low?
He looks at everything on camera. Correct, yeah, we have been. And then later he's talking to his friend and they're playing basketball together and he misses every single shot in the scene.
Yes. Okay. That was, I'm going to say, in contention for like reality scene of the year. It rivals the Love Island USA scene whenever that one girl got kicked off and everyone freaks out. Because I'm telling you, watching, it's like Taylor versus everyone. Oh my gosh. I truly was like, I ride for Taylor now. Like season one, I was like, yeah, whatever.
Season two, I'm like, no, if no one's got me, if no one's got her, I've got her.
I mean, her dad being like, I'm not going to point fingers. Literally, finger is in the air, mid-air. And then he's like, if you felt like Dakota was only wanting to see you at night to sleep with you- I wonder what would make him think that. And it's like, oh gosh. It's like the years 2017 through 2019 just did not happen in that house.
Dang. That's your daughter. But you got up close and personal.
You got added to the group chat. That's a little bit of an inside job. In some ways. Yes. I went to a little town called St. George, Utah. And I went to, I spent the day with Whitney. And I mean like the entire day. I went to her house. We were there for a little bit. We went to pick up her daughter. We went to Swig. Swig. The original Swig. The original Swig. I got what's called a refresher.
What was it called? Something, something, something. But it was good. I liked it. Yeah. It was so sweet. Whitney's husband, Connor, is so nice. I think their marriage is so funny to me. They're so locked in together. But also, I mean, especially from season one, Connor is like her main talk to in all of her season one scenes.
And he's not as president in season two, but he does have that really good scene where he's talking to Taylor about like, about Dakota and how like, it's really hard to dig yourself out of a hole as like a part of a couple.
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Let Me Say This. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Hunter, do you mind if I rant for a little bit?
No, no, I completely agree.
Actually, it did feel really buttoned up in this way.
When she said, this elevator music is shit. Change it or I'm never coming back. Like, period. I think that's fair. I think that's just good feedback. Never trust a twink. If the Martha Stewart documentary taught me anything, never trust a twink. He was too happy with his shoulders back walking in that courthouse. He walked in a court. Like, it was a catwalk. Yeah. I just called him a faggot.
No, I didn't. Like it was a catwalk. Like he was on RuPaul's Drag Race.
But I just want to end on that note to be like community first, invest in your local grassroots organizations, your local government, your immediate community, protect trans people, boots, order some abortion pills stat. I'm just going to say what needs to be said.
Wait, wait. But like that's what I was thinking about. Yeah. Wait, speaking of grudges again, the post writer that she was like, and she's dead now.
And the woman literally wrote, hey, Martha, you gloated about the death of a post-columnist, but I'm alive, bitch. White women are, actually, no, I'm not saying after my political briefing this morning, white women are back. No, but that's kind of white mess I do appreciate.
Yeah, and it takes a lot of pride and ownership in that.
I think there's this element of we're supposed to assume that she has shame about that, but really she's like, no, I'm standing 10 toes down on that because why would you use a small knife to cut a big orange? She's like, how dare you reach for that little knife? She said, no, but like dead ass look me in the eye and tell me why that makes sense.
She said, what was going on here to make that happen for you? If you have a black mother, it's just like, duh. It's a day ending in Y. Exactly. Like, I just didn't feel like this idea of her being painted as any kind of villain or bitch like landed for me. And I think obviously very different time when she was peaking in her, I guess right before the trial and they wanted to knock her down a peg.
God forbid a woman has a goal. But yeah, I didn't find myself really ever siding with the idea that, did she say things in a bitchy way? Sure. Is she a bitch? Who among us? No. Who among us? Excuse me. I'm friends with Hunter Yvonne Harris. Okay, you think that's child's play to me. Okay.
I mean, that's part of like the industry that she's in also. Like it is presentation. It is perfection. Like that's what makes her so successful is literally her attention to detail. Commenting on down to the music and the score of the documentary, ate that. She's consistent at the very least.
I love that we're both doing like a little with our nails, but we both don't have nails. But that's how much we're standing.
And I will say, just to kind of close this out, our producer did ask, what sign is Martha Stewart? And I Googled, and she's a Leo. And would you be shocked that there's another Leo in the room with us right now?
That's a lie, actually. But this week we are, because this week the live action Wicked finally comes out. Before Wicked opens on November 22nd, we had to catch up with our dear friend and lover, Chris Murphy, a Vanity Fair staff writer who profiled Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo for the November 2024 issue.
A lover BLT. A lover BLT. Went from very lesbian to very straight man, actually.
Say it. And on top of that, Prop 1 passed. So, you know, there's hope. There's protection in the place. Shout out to fucking New York. But we hope to spread that love everywhere else. Shout out to Chi. If you haven't listened to that episode, feel free to go back. It's great. He's great. So that's my little, I'm going to step down from my podium.
I would buy. I would buy your heart.
But before we get too far into that, can you talk to us a little bit about your own personal musical theater lore?
How did Wicked play a role in your life?
Yeah, we do.
Could you imagine?
Did we just get that? I just want to make sure we got that.
Yeah. Yeah. And what a rarity to get to experience something that's like, oh, this raised me and now I get to participate in a whole new way as a full-fledged adult.
you bought low and look how paying off dividends hello you just won the stock market you bought low the only person interested in the only gay boy interested in Wicked you bought low no I just beat out a lot of other gay boys but can you actually talk to us about that like how did this profile come about
I'm actually, I have a great vibe with Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo. Not many people can say that.
No, you don't.
Did you pull out a cigarette and go, girl, anyway, so.
I would say that about two people in this room. Okay, who's the alpha one? Who's the Glinda? Wait, I was thinking this. Well, I will say Hunter's the Cynthia. Are you a good witch or a bad witch? Oh, wait, I'm messy and gay. Hold on.
I was thinking more, because when you're describing them, not to pigeonhole myself as an L.A. woo-woo bitch, but the cancer and the Capricorn of it all. Cynthia is such a Capricorn. She really is. Ari, my crybaby queen, that's complimentary, obviously. It's such a cancer, and I think that's such an interesting balance between them.
She's a cancer.
You're like, okay. You're like the new couple's therapy starring Chris Murphy, actually.
I wish. But as someone who has seen the movie multiple times at this point, can you tell us what you thought of it and what worked for you in this version of it?
I'm talking like a U-Haul.
Yeah. Wow. I have a really quick follow-up question. Of course. Are there any supporting character moments that really stuck with you or people we should keep an eye on?
That's always a compliment.
We move past mother to.
Yeah.
I was a camera and I can't look to Hunter because I know hundreds of you of West Side. You don't want it, child.
Because I know there's a...
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I would want it every weekend. Every weekend. Actually, that TikTok sound was like... I don't know what it is, but I want 12 more of them right now. That's literally that.
Ooh, nasty. Well, thank you so much, Chris. Where can people follow you?
And then can you just do us a really quick final favor? I'm just going to need you to stare down the barrel of the camera right here and tell us if you are a good witch or a bad witch.
Thank you. That tight zoom. That was nice. After being like, I'm a lover. I'm a lover.
No. It's giving chicken run. It's giving chicken little. I said, oh, girl. It's giving chicken scratch.
Incredibly Mr. Worldwide. And I will say I was out. I was over it. But I'm back in. I'm back, baby. Don't you worry. After the – specifically the Chicago Jeremy Allen White – Jeremy Allen – No, go ahead. Say it. No, say it how you say it. Jeremy – Jeremy Allen White competition in Chicago. And seeing –
I am. Because specifically, I just hadn't laughed like that in years. When I tell you, I was expecting to see your typical competition. Everyone that came out for the Timothee Chalamet competition made sense. Little twinks all around.
Looking the least like Timothee Chalamet. Totally made sense. But when I saw about three dykes, one black guy, one Asian girl show up for the Jeremy Allen White competition, I said, no, I'm in it. I'm actually, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Specifically the black guy. There are, you know, phenotypical character traits that we all have.
Like the way that Future kind of looks like Meryl Streep. Absolutely, yes. But this black guy looked nothing like that.
Everyone was like, wait, did he? Okay. It's like, I think he has like twists or dreads and then he's like wearing glasses. He's not even wearing the full apron bit. Like he's not even committing to the bit.
No Lip Gallagher representation, but that's okay with me. But I will say the Zayn Malik one in New York City, that one, the second place person was a masked lesbian. And I was like, well, this is now we're cooking. Now we're getting somewhere. Okay. I like the lesbian. Zayn looks like a lesbian, especially early days.
Something I think is really important to remember is that these lookalike competitions just affirms what I've been saying for years, which is you're all gay. You're all lesbians. The lesbians look exactly like all the boys you like, Jeremy, Alan White, Zayn. Those are lesbian women, a little more masquified. So, come on out. The water's fine.
Okay, my culture's not a costume, not much. But that one was maybe taking it from me. That was my favorite so far.
I was very pro the Asian girl and the black guy being there. God bless. Give them second and third place. But there was one guy that was maybe pushing 50.
The Harry Styles one too, you just have a receding hairline.
More lesbians should have come out for that one.
And like a sweater that Princess Diana would wear.
I mean, some kid got a modeling contract through the Timothee Chalamet one. And maybe that could be you in the upcoming Zendaya Oakland lookalike contest. What can I say?
I will say men are doing my favorite thing right now, which is embarrassing themselves. And that I will always hold space and time for. That's your favorite thing that men do? When they tell on themselves? When I look at the Harry Styles lookalikes coming on out, go ahead, King, with your shoulders back and your titties up, being like, this is Harry Styles.
Is that one in LA? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. God bless everyone living in Silver Lake and Mid-City. Good luck to you.
I would not be careful what you say next. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
We live in hell, but a reason to live. Wicked comes out this week, thank God.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, we're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this.
Shoot.
So we watched Martha, the new Netflix documentary that basically takes you through Martha's upbringing, her abusive father, her real ice cold queen mother, and really tells you this full story of how she kind of built an empire from scratch, from catering to serving cunt on Instagram. Sorry. And I, for one, fucking loved it. I ate it up.
Like I said last week, if you remember, good documentaries take time. Like you have to let a bitch cook quite literally in this situation.
Like, I felt like this was exactly the time that I wanted and was craving a documentary on Martha Stewart, someone who I've always been the cultural zeitgeist, but felt like a real full story that touched on the trial of it all, the jail time of it all, the lovers and then some of it all. I really enjoyed it. Did you like it? What was your kind of like quick hot take?
Well, no. I'm going to be actually kind of serious for all of three seconds before I get too irritated. Taurus Changs. which is, you know, no way for us to not acknowledge the election. Pop culture is political, baby. And politics are actually pop culture. So, you know, I don't want to belabor that issue, but I do want to say very earnestly, community care over everything.
She literally says, big boobs. Ciao. Anyway, so like a blip on the timeline.
Damn. No.
Wake up, Hunter.
Yeah. And I will say I didn't realize how much modeling at that time played a part in her career. Like, I knew she was pretty, but I didn't know she was monetizing it, honestly.
But something that I didn't know was that she had a daughter. I didn't even know. And then I was talking to a few friends and a lot of people, maybe not necessarily after this documentary, but so many people forget that she has a daughter and it's not lost on me considering her relationship with her parents.
And then the way that they talk about that dynamic and how it was just homemaking was an interest for Martha, but not necessarily the motherhood aspect of domesticity. And it was so... Okay, maybe comical is not the right word for the daughter. She wouldn't maybe use that word, but I was shocked that I didn't know that she had a kid.
It seemed like she didn't know how to be a mother based off of her relationship with her mother. Like she was only taught kind of frigid, cold ways of interacting. And so by proxy, she didn't know. She wasn't taught how to give that like empathy or softness or kindness or participate in her daughter's life in a way that felt a little bit more rich and a little bit more present.
And also on top of it, she was just so busy. So I think it not only was like a scheduling thing, it was also just like her inability to show up for her daughter in a way that maybe most daughters would want their mothers to.
America has kind of always been a hellish place. I'm not really shocked because I'm not white. So that's where I come from. But
But I actually really loved her reframed definition of an affair. She was like, it doesn't really count unless you're in love or it's like a continued action. And something about that's so queer to me actually is to be like, no, no.
Can we, okay, quick. Going back for a second. Hunter did say RJ King. I think that's like a really hot gay Instagram boy. God bless you. The actual name is RJ Cutler. Please insert that here. Shout out to you both.
Yeah.
that had started before the affair started like she something had happened to her house i think and martha was like oh you can like come stay here since you're already working with us you need to be on the property and then the affair started so it's like what's that ti um and tiny fight that was like come on you know the one we literally acted out all the time yes yes why would you sleep with someone i was at odds with
And like was the same situation. Someone was working for them and that's who T.I. slept with. But equating T.I. and Tiny and Martha Stewart and actually incredibly correct for me to do that. But I feel like the contrast of affairs is an important one. Like it's fair that she was like, what the fuck ever? I like slept with this guy a few times. He was fine as fuck. You would do the same thing.
Real true messy queens are back. I can feel my blood pressure going up, up, up. I'm getting so mad just thinking about it. Okay, I say this with love and respect because this is my mother. I thought she would have been more therapy by now because it seemed really difficult for Martha Stewart to talk about the personal elements of her life, especially the relationships.
And I thought that she would have, with maybe the distance from it, And just being a rich older woman would have maybe come into a little bit more understanding and reflection of some more difficult things to talk about. She seemed really uncomfortable having conversations about the cheating. Like what she literally said, can we move on now?
Can we talk about happier things in a way that was like, oh, your shoulders are tight. And like, this is surprisingly difficult for you. You know, don't you think of older women? Hunter, what is their...
She should act like she wasn't right. I don't think it's an acting thing. I think it seemed like shockingly difficult for her to have that conversation. It didn't seem like it was, yeah, what the fuck ever this happened. It just seemed like there's a tenseness in her mannerisms.
We kind of are relying on them. them for a lot. I'm like, if I ever sound like I'm on my high horse, it's because we're black women. Okay. So we saw the poll results. We have the numbers on our side, except for that random little 7%. I don't know what y'all were doing.
And of course, like the her and Tom Sandoval, them both voting for each other in so many, just throwing away their vote just to like be mean to one another.
It was so funny. It was so funny.
Everyone at Cleavage. Bob. Bob. TDQ. Bob. I love Bob TDQ. I love that. How many couples in Boreham Hill or Greenpoint are going to be Sierra and Boston Rob for Halloween? Hopefully none.
Of course, like following that conversation, she was like, so you do that with people, you know, in your life sometimes. And I'm like, yeah, but I've known these girls for like 15 years. That's why we're able. Yeah. Yeah. We have a big foundation of this. Oh. And it was right after that therapy session I listened to, guess what? The new Haim single. And we're going to get into that later.
Well, what about Cynthia Erivo? What about her? Isn't she part of that same conversation? She wears lipstick.
I was joking. I was joking. I was joking. I just wanted to see what you'd say.
Very important question. Who do we want to see on the next season of The Traitors? I have a long list. You can tell I had a coffee today.
Obviously. Hello. Obviously. Number two, Kelly Ben Simone. No. Yes, the true cuckoo bird of Bravo. Yeah. NeNe Leakes, I will always advocate for a job for my sister NeNe Leakes, of course. Okay, this one's a little bit random, but the actress slash comedian Martha Kelly, she's that woman from Euphoria. And also she was in Marriage Story.
And she's like very like uptight, but very like awkward, like super dry humor. If you know, you know. Also speaking of comedians, Tim Robinson. That would be amazing. Have to go give it to my girl Club Chalamet. Oh my God. Oh, the woman that tweeted the horny Beto tweet in like 2017. Do you remember that horny Beto tweet?
The one about Beto O'Rourke looks like he's going to make you come until your calves cramp. We're never getting paid sponsorships just by the way.
Well, anyway, she lives forever in my heart, that woman. And then also iconic friend of Anroni, Barb the Builder. She would shake the table with her little tool bag in tow.
But I'm all right. Don't throw Alicia under the bus. Thinking of hard labor, she's been sentenced to a lifetime of appearing in your TikToks.
Let me tell you about how God's timing is always right. Is it? Yes. Oh, right. Sorry. Yeah. Duh. Hello. Haim is single and so am I. Collective Haim.
No, see, that's how you go in trouble the first time. I'm not going to hard launch anything. I'm not going to soft launch anything. All I can do is be me. You brought a gun to a knife fight.
Talk about a white bitch you don't play about, SD, Alana, Danielle. You said I got three. Those are my girls. Put your Girl Scouts on or down. No, like, we go together hard. Relationships. First new track since when? Since Women in Music Part 3. Oh, it's been a minute. No, that's not true. First new song since when they were on the Taylor Swift album. Well, that doesn't count.
About Estee being at Olive Garden. Many such cases. Many such cases. But I love it. I love it. I would love it if I weren't going through a breakup, but I love it even more because I am.
No, and that was really an iconic night. And also, wow, like single cycles. Single cycles? Yeah, single cycles linking up can be so powerful. Or destructive, depending on who you ask. Depending on the day of the week. It's about to be summer. I'm going to say powerful. That's my season. Emphasis on my season.
Yeah, yeah. I would say so. I woke up. The single came out on Wednesday. I woke up 7.30 in the morning ready to press play. And I watched the little single trailer again. And it's like, oh, not till 2.30, bitch. I was like, oh, gosh. You said, oh, they got me again. I have to live a whole day without a whole other day without this song, a whole morning and afternoon without this song.
Oh, I mean, I guess I lived without it for long enough.
Love. No, love. Like, I think I tweeted before the single came out when I was like listening to the same TikTok over and over again because I just already was obsessed. I need the Haim single January 6th, Ali. And I stand by it. And I didn't need it that bad, actually. You're storming Capitol Records.
It's like saying this is meth behavior is how bad I needed it.
I have a tan. Oh, I guess. You look just like Ariana Grande in that one screenshot of her from Fallon. Squinting so much.
I'm weeping and I'm inside. Yeah, you lost me. You lost me. Oh, well, you're speaking a language I know not of. But, okay, music video. People were thinking that it was Harris Dickinson, but it ended up being, what's his name? The boy from Queer. Drew. Drew, what's his name?
P for L. Put some respect. Is this what it's like when I talk about the holy text, i.e. Real Housewives of New York?
I'm talking about like a teen Netflix show. You don't want to see me when the samurai turned pretty comes back out, okay? Oh my god, that's gonna shake the table. But, okay, I thought he was cute. He's not my ministry, but if you like him, I love him. And I...
Now I see like why our friendship works.
You saying, I'm at that age now is so, I'm that I'm up there, you know? It's so like Black mom on the porch coded. Yeah.
And you know who is the number one video vixen? Who? Justin Bieber. He stays in a music video, girl. He stays on set for a music video.
Yes, the pop star video. So good. I love when Drake is present, but very absent. That's kind of where he needs to be. Literally, Drake should be seen and not heard.
I'm scared for that girl. Anyway, this is what I want to say about Haim. I love them. I think they're so talented. Everyone who knows me knows I am off book, been off book for every one of Music Part 3 songs. Oh my God, All That Ever Mattered, Gasoline, obviously. Yeah. Leaning On You, even Man From The Magazine. Every song on that. Gasoline. I get sad. You know, I get sad. Like that.
Oh, I do get sad. What an artist.
We already played this game and we know who's who. Well, why don't you say it on the mic? Why don't you? Okay, you get to be Esty. And I'm jealous because I wanted that. But you would. You wanted that role? You wanted the book? Yeah, I did. But then it's like, no, that's so you. That's so you. And I'm Danielle. You are. And we don't have an Alana. Oh, Michael's kind of an Alana.
Yeah. But I love them. I profiled them for Vulture in 2020, and it was, like, the most, like, lovely, interesting conversation. They're so smart about music. I think they're doing stuff that is, like, it's easier to be, like, a... Where are we going to go? Gracie Abrams. And they are like in their own lane all the time. I'm like, there's a reason why they opened for Beyonce at Coachella.
And that is called powerful. That's called linking and building.
I know it's going to happen inevitably. You're going to talk about having a dance background, talk about being a nepo baby, and talk about going to Coachella.
Yeah. Brag. I saw Haim with JoJo. Oh, okay. I got an Amex card so I could get the Haim presale. That's how much I love my girls.
I love your long-winded ass. I love it. I love our girls. I love it. That story took 12 hours. Yeah. The album's out now, actually. Oh, it is? I'm just wading through that story. No, I'm joking. Oh. But I love them.
We're listening to the story and you're explaining who Brockhampton is. Well, some people don't know. This can't be necessary to the story.
Okay, I gotta go listen to Relationships again, sorry.
There's one woman in Hollywood, only one, that can be counted on nonstop drama. Nonstop something crazy that she has to say.
No, not to this woman's degree. That's fair. Scarlett Johansson. Hello. She's always in something. Always in some mess. And in a way that I'm like, what are you going to do? I just shrug at this point. All reliable. You can really like set your clock by it. Taylor Johansson has said something just either so strange or so utterly like, huh? Yeah. Many such cases.
Set your clock back and get ready. Let me tell you what she said lately. Okay. She is on the cover of In Style, I believe. And it's like a conversation about like, you know, being famous for so long and seeing fans out and about. And, you know, she really does have like four quadrant appeal. She's done high, low, huge movies, tiny movies. She had that one EP. She's been around the block.
She said, quote, regarding not taking photos with fans. It really offends a lot of people. It doesn't mean I'm not appreciative, of course, that people or fans are happy to see me. But I always say to people, I'm not working. And that means I don't want to be identified as being in this time and place with you. I'm doing my own thing.
I like to be in my own thoughts that have nothing to do with what other people think of me. I don't like being self-conscious.
No, that's like what I say when someone posts a photo of me on Instagram stories and it's like, wait, I didn't say you should post that one.
Oh, like 100% when I'm untagging myself from like a shared photo. I don't need to be identified as being this time and place with you. I also want to say a runner up, though, is I don't like being self-conscious. It's like, yeah, no one does. You and me both, sister. That's so like something a high school senior says. And it's like, yeah, duh. Hear me out. She should start The Artist's Way.
Yet another episode sponsored by Big Artist's Way. Yeah. But she's known for saying stuff like this. Like, she's known for saying either really bizarre non sequiturs or, like, strange, passionate defenses of stuff that, like... Of being Asian? Or that she should play any person, place...
Do you drink a triple shot latte? I thought you all have like the milk with a little dash of coffee in it.
Well, you know, Remy has been wondering, when are you going to walk her? You've been watching Daughters so much.
No, I don't have any. The Chaparron thing, it's just like the way that she was talking about it was so, it just felt a little bit like harsh. Yeah. For something that she was like making it something more personal, which is just like a growing pain of being famous, I think. Yeah. Yeah.
But no, I feel like, of course, no one is like entitled to taking a photo with you, no matter how many of their movies they have or how many of your albums they've bought or any of that stuff.
Yeah, I think there's also, like, a way to be like, I'm not taking photos right now. And then that's, like, a final answer. And, like, the negotiator's like, well, what if it's a no? Yeah. It's a no. But just the way that she describes it as if she's, like, an undercover FBI agent. As if she is actively, like, phone being tapped by, like, Gene Hackman in the conversation.
Like, she is saying it as if she's, like, three girls in a trench coat, like, stacked on top of one another. And in many ways...
But then again, this quote is funnier than anything Colin Jost has ever said.
I know you feel seen by that as a fellow nepo baby. I'm going to say mine is the Lena Dunham apology, which I can't remember what she was apologizing for, but she said, quote, Yes. Many such cases.
And it's funny that the photo of her is so like... Her post scatting with her husband.
As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be. Ooh, Hunter, you took my line. I like that. I did, I did. I'm off book.
You don't want him doing an impression that's like so politically incorrect, but also so odd to witness in person. Get Scarlett on here first.
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Yeah. Well, I would not do that, obviously. But it is like the perfect like hot girl walk plus coffee walk. For sure. Yeah. Plus, like, Carrie Bradshaw walking down the street, talking on the phone walk. Yeah. Plus, like, mental health walk.
Yeah. Well, what's on the docket this... I always say that. Like, I didn't plan... What's on the docket? Are we on a Zoom call? What the fuck? Oh, sorry. I've been watching a lot of The Pit. So... Oh. You know they do so much ketamine on The Pit? You got pit-pilled, huh? They got you? I'm very pit-pilled. Okay. I'm pit... Can't make it happen. This week, girl, I am...
dying to talk about the traitors finale and reunion because i was in costa rica streaming this like that's how good it was and then of course the new heim song hello and scarlett johansson always shaking the table with that brain of hers and that mouth we can always count on her
Well, I was in Costa Rica for a birthday trip for my friend. Then I was in LA for a bachelorette. And you already know people are in my DMs. You're always on vacation. You're always traveling. No. No. A birthday trip? Work. Labor. A bachelorette? That's hard labor. Okay, I clocked in and I haven't even clocked out yet. I had to work all week this week.
Are looking for a home for your worst opinions?
Mostly. I think I have like 10 minutes left of the reunion.
I was like, girl, see, when you do clownery, the clown comes back to bite. That's what I always say. Oh my God, Danielle, are you dumb? Why would you do that? Well, yes.
Well, okay. In terms of going to the end. I disagree. I think that they did really seed the...
emotion and like closeness between Brittany and Danielle from episode one when Danielle was like oh I see that Brittany is here and we had a really big falling out after we were supposed to like go all the way together and some big brother thing yeah yeah and that that was like reindeer games yeah she's what girl what does that mean whatever that is I'm grown
I don't know what reindeer games mean. Okay, Rudolph. Yeah. When she was entering the house was like, are Brittany and I going to be close or am I going to still hold a grudge? And you could see that Danielle wanted to be close to her and play with her, but couldn't. So, you know, at the end of the day, it's like the day gone in, girl, I'm here to play a game.
If Brittany has to sell out Danielle, then that's what she has to do because she's a gamer. Did you think it was even smart of her to recruit her though? No, obviously not. And obviously Brittany felt the same because when she got the recruitment letter, she was like, it would be really dumb if Danielle was a traitor and she wants to recruit me because that's so obvious. Yeah.
Danielle, honestly, she should have recruited Gabby. That's what I thought too. Because I think if she tried to recruit Dylan, he was like too faithful. Just like Pilot Pete, he would have just been a murderer. Yeah. Which honestly would have also worked in her favor though.
Ivar, who I think Ivar didn't know he was on a reality show half the time. He thought he was just at a rich friend's house. Right. He's like, who are all these poor people around? Oh, girl, let me hold my nose. I don't know any of y'all.
I also have to say my favorite scene this entire season of Traitors was on that one, my favorite challenge too, when they're doing the reverse singing for the nursery rhymes. And Tom Sandoval is like, and he looks at Ivor. He's like, Ivor, come on, get over here. Hold the phone for me. And then Alan Cumming looks at him and is like, Ivor, what are you doing? And Ivor's like, he just told me to.
And Alan is like, no. Be your own man in a bar. Like go back in the house.
Haven't you only seen a season and a half? Two seasons. Oh, okay.
Well, you already know what the winning pot is for treaters. It's like a midsize Kia sedan and then maybe some free minutes on your cell phone. And like an Allbirds brand deal.
But I, okay, I do want to say though that the poetic justice of Danielle playing like the most annoying, really frustrating game and then her making a clearly terrible decision to recruit Brittany and then Brittany having to vote her to evict her. I was like, girl, you get what you paid for. Yeah. And that's about right. That's kind of the most glorious arc of the whole entire season to me.
No, it was it was a bit much for me going from like one set of women to like another set of women with simply a six hour flight and a dream in between. But it's so lovely to like meet your friends, friends like that you don't know very well. And you're like, oh, wait, you like brought together such cool people. Wait, I kind of love us. Like, that's how I felt. Oh, Ernest D. Freak. I know.
And didn't a few episodes ago, I was like, I love her. I ride for her. She's the only one I do. Yes, yes, yes. You were like, she has a good head on her shoulders. I was like, with a neck tattoo? Yeah. Okay. I think Carolyn was playing the best game, although her getting evicted or her getting found out. Yeah. That was like her mistake that she made whenever they were playing the chess game.
I agree. And she had been like getting a little bit too many answers right. Yes. Because the traders had like chosen the correct answers. So that was her fault. She set herself up. She walked right into that. Honestly, Danielle set up a trap for her and she walked right into it. Yeah. But I think Boston Rob was also playing a good game.
He came out a little bit too... Once you turn into the traitors and then people are like, well, how are you so confident? Because you have to be a traitor. I think if he'd played that game a little later when there weren't so many other gamer gamers in the game, it might have worked out in his favor more. Bob the Drag Queen, even at the reunion when they're like, you were a terrible traitor.
And he's like, well, I wanted to be loud. Well... That doesn't help. Yeah. And that's what I was getting on with him at the reunion too. Also because, of course, he raised his tongue against my Shayla Durenda. Oh, well, we will get to that.
I really it was smart. Yes. And also because Boston kind of plays the same note every single game that he's in, which is like he has someone who. Yeah. Like the same kind of top and bottom dynamic. Yeah. Someone that I'll take to the end. And then eventually if it push comes to shove, he'll shove. He'll have to shove. And it works.
How dare you? Every tongue that rises against Dorinda Medley shall fall. Let me start there. Oh, me taking my tongue immediately in. It's like your tongue disappears. No, first of all, it felt like, Dorinda, it shouldn't have been such a big thing. She was like, I didn't like that you were talking about me, that you were like, I don't know who she is. Like, that's just like bad coworker.
you know, courtesy. It's like, whatever. I don't know. And then I think Bob was like trying to like clap back at her, like make it into a bigger thing. And it's like, just say, you know what? I feel differently, but whatever. And move along. Cause it wasn't an encounter that I felt like Bob was really winning. He just kept talking louder and talking over her. Yeah.
And she wasn't really like fighting back either. She was just like, can you just listen and like apologize basically. It felt honestly very similar to the Carolyn-Danielle dynamic where Carolyn was just kind of like repeating the same thing and Danielle just like kept not trying to like address it. Does that make any sense? Kind of, but... I felt bad for Carolyn.
I'm talking to my therapist about getting better at expressing my affection and expressing when I'm pleased with something. So I'm checking that off the box for this week. You're like, I actually only really know how to critique. You're like, critic.
Because it's like, there's a way to say, oh, I don't know them. And they're really just like, I don't know them. Like, shank out. Like, how dare you even. Well, we're about to get to it. I don't want to be identified as being this time and place with you.
Isn't Cameo famously a failing business right now? I don't keep up. It really felt like a gun was out. But I wanted to stop at Dolores for a second because... Andy being like, Dolores, you're so good at like figuring out liars, whatever. Like you're so good on Housewives. And yet on this program, you voted incorrectly almost every vote.
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This is a pro-divorce podcast. Don't you forget it. My God.
I need you to like touch grass once in your life. I'm like, get outside, Hunter. My God. Doesn't this remind you of Veep? And this reminds me of Club Challenge.
You know, it's about time we checked in on our traders. It's been a minute. It's been a while.
And it's like so interpersonal. I'm like, you guys are still, you're still playing a game. You're not just like bickering at like the dinner table. It's so crazy. They are taking it so seriously. I kind of want like neither of them to win. I'm at a point, I'm sorry. I know I stood by Carolyn so hard before. Wow. You're a faithful at heart. God forbid. No.
I'm getting nervous. You see, I'm sitting up straight. I'm tight. I'm holding my purse closer.
No, we go together hard, Dorinda and I. I actually saw you walk in and I was like, oh, that's the girl that says, not well, bitch, and Hunter. Again, my allyship. Of her many works, that's what you referenced? Well, that one's like the most like gift gift. No, she's starting. Okay. Anyway, back to Traitors. Okay. We're on a different episode of Peacock.
The first nice nurse. The... I'll hold my breath until that happens.
I'm like on the ball. That's not my ministry. But you know who is? Is Miss Simone from the Eaton Hotel. If you are in D.C., one, I'll pray for you. And two, get your ass to the Eaton Hotel. Really, really cute hotel. And also, the woman that works there at the front desk, Simone, is my mother. Oh, my gosh. She was amazing.
Wait, I don't even remember that. It's so different than last season, but it's still not even. OK, let's not not just around tables, even though I do think Sierra and her flop era and also spoiler alert, Sierra getting kicked off, I will say kind of cracked me up. But I love it. I love the outfit she was wearing when she got kicked off. Those at least were made for a walk in.
But she was just not taking it from me in this game. And now she was like huffing and puffing and making matters worse for her. But that didn't move me at all. But I will say an elimination that hurt me. Chrishell. Oh, that was a murder. That wasn't an elimination. Oh, well, you know, same thing. A death, if you will. All right. Death can look a hundred ways.
Wait, but Chrishell's acting was kind of taking it. She was like doe-eyed. Can I ask? Why me? I was like, oh, get her a little cameo somewhere.
Well, let's start with someone who's actually taking it from here now. Tom Sandefur. Oh. He's just like too dumb to kill, I guess. And he just makes great TV because let's talk about this most recent episode, I think it was, where they had to do the singing challenge. They just sing nursery rhymes backwards. That.
And there's nothing better when Alan coming breaks character. It so rarely happens. But when he was listening to Tom sing, he was like, no, I can't believe my ears. right now. And then Gabby in the main house being like, ooh, record deal incoming. Like, ooh. He is like, at the same time, Tom Sandoval is the most unserious man and also the most dead-ass man that's ever existed.
He didn't come to play with you hoes. No, no, no. He came to sing. And I hope he takes it to the finish line.
When I tell you this woman has a pin on her beret for every single minority group... She had like four pride pins alone just on one side. And like, you know, queerness looks a hundred different ways, but she was definitely giving more ally. Because anyone that loves rainbows that much is straight. Or my mother. Ally. She was like, oh, there's a speakeasy bar. I'm like, I got you.
Just every cutaway to him. His facial expressions are the most intense things I will ever take in with my two eyes.
I haven't seen a united front until that moment where everyone was like, are you fucking joking?
I meant traitors. I meant traitors. I'm sorry. He's taking it. He's cracking me up. I hate that I'm giggling every time I see him. I'm like on the cusp of a pump rules watch. Also, wait, I'm going to ask you the same question. Who are you surprised is still there?
It almost happened. I felt like there started to be a little fire there, but then people got too distracted by Bob and... Not Bob. What's the other one? Boston Rob. Rob and Ciara.
Her and her cheekbones can say, I'm actually surprised Danielle is still there. The shaking and weeping and withering away. I'm like, girl, get up.
Oh, my God. Yeah, I know.
I think Carolyn's playing a better game than her, though. Because Carolyn's, like, perfectly under the radar, but, like, engages enough and, like, doesn't act so manic when, like, someone leaves or gets killed or whatever.
Because that's just how she is.
Now you're an ally to a neck tattoo. To that neck tattoo, totally.
No, no, no. Just like the appearance. Yeah. A cameo. Oh, I don't really think I care about a cameo. I like the people that we have. It didn't do anything for me to see. I would do a Boston Rub cameo. I love me some Boston Rob. You sound just like me. The tables in this room have turned. One thing about them tables. Woo, they gonna be turning.
Because suddenly Hunter is a Boston Rob fan cam and a neck tattoo enthusiast.
Like anyone could go in it. Like I'm a guest here. Like I can enter. But she was like, find me. And I was like, I'm here for 24 hours, babe. I'm not going to the speakeasy bar, but I love you. She has such a positive attitude. She has a great outlook on life. She has 14 pairs of glasses, which she made me choose one before she looked at my passport and checked me in.
I just really don't relate to you at all, by the way. Oh, you don't fear the girls? No, I love watching the challenges. Haggis! Haggis! Do you remember that challenge? That was one of the most formative challenges I've ever watched. Watching those housewives scream and throw up when all those bugs fell on them.
Like, I love an endurance challenge.
With one foot and a bikini.
Okay, I can hear that because I also like American Ninja Warrior where they have to go through the shapes in like a – so I can hold space for that. But I think they're so entertaining and I specifically like watching them because I like watching Alan Cumming's reactions.
But this season, I think they've done a really good job on one, letting the challenges inform how people might vote or like keeping it playful and engaged in a way that's actually exciting.
But I will say the challenge that I was surprised Danielle survived was when Danielle, remember when you could like save, put someone to save? Oh, yes. If you won the challenge. She kept winning and she kept putting other people to save besides herself. Yeah. I'm so surprised that didn't tell on her. In a bigger way.
Yeah. Because I was like, I think I said it on this podcast about a few weeks ago. Not you. Not you. Not you. But you know who we have to talk about before we wrap it up? Ooh, my favorite long-winded gal. Ooh, Gabby Windy. Gabby. Queen things.
Oh my God, yeah. What do they call themselves? It's only her left. Or I guess her and Dolores. Bambis. They Bambis? Oh wait, it wasn't Dolores. It was the other one. Yeah, the brown-eyed Bambis. Yeah. Or the Bambis, whatever. Sister, queen, mother. Auntie on a good day.
I don't know a better person at all.
I was like, oh my God. I will say that interview, that one, that photo shoot that she tore in the cut, but the interview where she specifically said, I would love to come from old money. I'm begging to come back as a nebo in my next life. Like that is a quote. That is my sister. Yeah. You should give her your shot. So this is the thing. Actually, let's talk about nepo babies, okay?
Love that. Just different types of vibes.
Because the nepo she's implying comes from money. That's not my truth. That's not my calling. But my friend was like, you're a nepo baby in the sense that like some of my aunts and like grandparents were Black Panthers. And she's like, that's a cultural nepotism. Like I was in Paris and saw a book that my great aunt wrote. And I was like, oh my God, my great aunt wrote this.
And this girl was like, that's so crazy. She was a Black Panther. And my friend was like, oh, nepotism. I was like, she had a baby in jail. And she's like, Still, cultural nepotism. You're in Paris and you found a book you're on. I was like, okay, so that's the kind of nepotism not that Gabby Wendy, I think, is looking for. But I'm happy to share the pot with her.
Yeah. She told me I had the face of a painter. A house painter? Like a portrait painter. I'm going to just go with one of the greats. Like maybe like, she's like, you have the makings of someone big.
Honestly, I wouldn't put it past her. Yeah, actually. I can see. Gabby would be a Black Panther. She really would. She probably would, actually. Queen. Gabby. Pod sister. Lesbian sister, if you will. If you're listening to this, this is a call to action. We're not calling you out. We're calling you in. To talk shit on this podcast. Please.
There's a treatment for that actually. And it's on Netflix. It's actually called Wellbutrin. Both.
Oh my, I think there's one black couple.
One and a half, if you know what I'm saying. Oop. Sorry.
See, that's what confused me though. The way that you seem to have locked in because I was like, oh, I'm in my chains right now. Hunter is putting me in my chains on my, I'm in shackles on my ankles on my fucking wrists watching this show.
I was watching a 1.5x speed. Oh, wow. Like just trying to get through it. But I have ADHD, so I can watch it like that.
And we'll get to someone with a black scent too in a minute. Ooh. Yeah. Skirt. Did you hear that? I said, no, Hunter really does have me in my chains. Now why am I listening to a white girl go skirt?
I'm one of those. Okay, Peyton. No. Well, I don't do it like that. You do, but. Oh, yeah. Wait, that was, I forgot I wrote down in my notes, like, whatever we do. The repression is too strong here. I'm too tired.
I was like, what? You're not checking in or checking out smoothly. You're going to be there for at least an hour and a half.
Could it be me? Okay, but yes. What do you think about Britney and her arc? Well, I... Let's come clean and say I only got through the first four episodes.
And they, like, leave the conversation and then he... And he's like, I need to think about this. And I'm like, so we've got to grow together. And it's right after he gives this whole speech about being like, I was addicted to ibuprofen and I found... Let me get the camera. Sorry. Is that a real addiction? Sorry. I grew up in LA. Okay. Let me talk about somatics. All right.
But like, I was like, uh, I'm going to hold space for that. But then the God conversation, I'm like, here we go again. There's always, these bitches love God. God is everywhere. God is good. They're trying to bring his vertical down to our horizontal to settle matters of mayhem. But, like, following that with her being like, yeah, I couldn't even stand 10 toes on being queer.
Which you should. That's how we should be embracing people. But she made DC – she and the talk made DC well worth it for me.
She was like, I just dated women but could never marry them. Okay, me in sixth grade. Sorry. No offense. Let's move past that.
The sound. I hear it. The, dare I say, ambi alert. We, you guessed it, have been nominated for an ambi award. Let me say this heads one potentially could win big. Yeah, best entertainment podcast. So cross your fingers, light some sage. Yeah. Unless you're Hunter's mom.
But also that's so, like – The amount of repression to even say that is so like, come on, let's do better. And then you're telling this man who's like, you scissoring? That's crazy. I got to go to God about this. Like, I got to talk to the homies. Like, first of all, women scissoring? Hot. More of it. More women fucking always. Like, you should be like, so grateful to get a bi queen.
Like, how lucky. Bi dick, bi pussy goes crazy. Bumpin' purses. Hunter, learn what bumping purses means and how it always says it. Like when she puts a phone next to another phone to share a contact, Hunter under her breath will go, bumping purses. And that's on Hunter being a closet and bisexual. And I still buy it.
I just like, I didn't, I didn't even feel entertained by it because I was so like, this feels so beneath me to even be like, maybe beneath me from LA. So like I came out when I was 18, which is still late, but yeah, I didn't love them. Everyone has their own journey. Okay.
Meg with the black scent skirt. Based on a novel pushed by Sapphire. Everyone in this show looks the exact same. Well, that's what I was saying. There's too many white people that all look the same. They all have a mix of blonde and brown hair.
She's dating Mason with Madison. And every time she tells a colorful story, which you know I respect... Somewhere she gets lost in the telling of it and finds a black scent that pops out in a way that really needs to be shut down immediately. And she does it not just to her black friends on the show, like the other black girls. She does it to everyone.
And everyone's kind of listening with one ear. But I can feel that the other black girls are like, who taught you to talk like this?
And was she the one that was like, were they the one talking about movies? Because we need a federal investigation into the her of it all. The her? The inception? And was there a third one? No, it was her, it was Inception, and it was Moulin Rouge. She was like, I love when people love underrated indie movies, like the blockbuster Moulin Rouge.
The things that turn these people on make me sick. I know they're all having missionary sex.
But you know, that's where one of my favorite little quotes come from. You must dream a little bigger, darling. We've done this before. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I know. I'm not going to. Anyway. Okay.
And it was crazy to her, too. Which, good. Thank God. She was like, that was my man until he said, I want to, quote, stay out of it. He was like, I just keep out of that stuff. Like, it's something to engage in in a way that's like. Like it's Gracie Abrams. What? I stay out of Gracie Abrams. Okay. And now where'd the point go?
But it was such a like lazy answer and it was so, one, shout out to my queen Sarah, but two, I was like, oh yeah, like have you ever dated someone or even just like gone on a date with someone that was like, oh, like politics, like, Yo.
Not now. I was like, I'm not going to stand on anything. But I was going to say, even when he goes back to his boys in the boy pod area, and he's like, I feel like if she saw me, she would know. Like she would know the way, if she dated me, she would know the way I move. I'm like, the way you move doesn't mean like, oh, he's pro Black Lives Matter.
And I heard what? Banging on Netflix's door. Okay, now Madison. Madison. Oh, she's been through it.
Two white boys against each other.
Also, I feel like I could kind of sense her ego from the jump in a way that was like getting in the way of her actually making real connections. Yeah. With these people. Yeah. And then I saw her twerk in her little negligee and then call it twerking. Actually, let's be clear. It was not twerking. She was shaking her ass left to right off beat at best and was like, I just twerked.
And he's like, you crazy girl. She was like, yeah. And I'm a little dressed too. I'm a little miniskirt. Did I tell you I'm in my micro miniskirt? That was actually crazy to me. I'm pro ho. These aren't hoes. These aren't. No, they're not. I wish they were hoes. It'd be more interesting. But yeah, it was just like, what are we doing here? And I got to get out of town.
Sorry. Wow. This season is not doing it for me right now in a way that I kind of, I feel disappointed. But do you just feel like it's just your fix? I'm a pig at slop.
It was my school play.
Well, I can't wait to find out about it through you. I've got to press pause. This is not good for my well-being. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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I was like, oh, I didn't know. Up until there, I was like very Louis X Jr. coded, but now we've gone somewhere else. So then he's like kind of like talking about God.
So, you know, I didn't get that, obviously.
It really was the man's fault. Oh, okay.
Get to D.C., get your Uber from Mr. K, check in with Simone, and then go visit the National Museum of Women in the Arts. Yes. You heard it here first.
There's nothing else to do, I promise. Then get immediately out of there.
And if you are in line to receive your federally mandated Younger Hop boyfriend, you're in luck because we watched Bridget Jones' Mad About the Boy. And we'll be talking about that too. So let me just say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions? Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat.
Pokemon go to the polls immediately. Let's stop referencing like any politician. It's recorded as on President's Day. Let's stop referencing people who like lost.
We're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Diggs. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this.
I am a peacock apologist, okay? She's giving us everything we need right now. Traders, which we'll get to. Housewives, which I'm hip to now. Oof. Cultural appropriation. Well, you said my culture's not a costume. It's not. It's not. A hating white woman is not a costume. And it very much is. And thank God, a new Bridget Jones movie. Only on Peacock? Only on Peacock, which we'll talk about it.
This should have been in theaters.
I had so much more fun than I thought I would. I also like really needed her right now. Like I really needed a messy bitch. I needed, I know.
And I, wow, we are really never retiring the age gap relationship. Because one of her men was, how do you say his real name? Leo Woodhull? What's his name? Leo Woodhull. Leo Woodall. That was the name that you had trouble with? I just didn't remember it. Oh, okay. God forbid I don't remember a white boy's name. Okay. I'm different now. It's 2025. Okay. We're not at Emerson College anymore.
Who really was taking it for me in this like, you know, again, same setup, same problem. Bridget Jones. She's kids now. She's a widow.
I would almost say spoiler alert, but this movie is exactly what you think it is.
A little bit abrasive, always.
Why should it be any different?
I love math. It's perfect.
I was going to say, going back to Leo, come on, white boy of the week. I was cooking with Leo.
I find him incredibly charming as piece of shit in White Lotus. Yeah, 100%. And also I was actually charmed by him in One Day, even though I do think it was one of the worst things that Netflix has put out in a while, but he was really charming in it. He's one of those faces that like, oh, you could kind of ruin my life and I'm going to be okay with it.
God, that's such a crazy name. Yeah. I was thinking about you. I was like, oh, white people and their interesting names. They always have interesting names. They always do. They're so creative. I'm like, why do you think that black names are more, like, complex? It's white people that really like to shake it up. Rockster. Rockster with an X, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, Rockster and then Mr. Wallaker. Played by Chiwetel Ejiofor. Whose team are you on?
Can you respect her? My God.
And I was like, let's wrap it up. DC is not the place for me and it never will be. But it was the place for me when I visited Caleb Land in college at Howard University during the Howard riots. I was living. Do you want to talk about your girl? Do I want to talk about a girl? Of course I want to talk about a girl. Let's talk about Simone. Simone.
Reminds me of myself. And you know what I always love about her? She's going to like run without a jacket outside in the middle of the Bridget Jones. Oh, never a jacket on. Never weather-appropriate wear.
I agree. I do think a brush could have lent itself to her ahead of time. But she was having sex. She had sex hair. I wasn't even talking about that.
Every time you say that name out loud, it really like gives me an aneurysm. Because I was like, are we talking about a dog? Is there like a pug in the room somewhere? Like that's what I'm thinking. I would choose Emma Thompson. Now that is an answer. If I had to. Because like one, I agree.
I'm like, this child is too young, but looks so great picking up that little puppy and getting out of that pool. My God. Yes. Love eye candy. Very pro that. Yes. But then I just like, I can't take a man with an attitude. When you have to convince a man to believe in magic.
But I love a wise woman. And that's where I end.
Also, question. Did you watch the Bridget Jones in between? Because blind spot for me. There are two.
She is the most sought after woman in the world.
She stays in a love triangle. She walks so challengers could run. Oh my God. And good for her.
I'll tell you that. Did you like Nico Parker, Tani Newton's daughter in it? Yeah, I thought she was cute. She was so cute.
And I can relate to that. Yeah. Every woman.
Oh, yeah. Well, sometimes that pisses me off, but I do.
I wish I had that. Kind of do. What are you talking about? How dare you? Yeah. My dad's a comedian, and my mom's a Scorpio, so yeah, I have kooky parents. What do you want next for them? Mmm...
That's totally how I feel, actually. No, no, I really understand. About Real Housewives? You are so annoying. No, but see, this is, excuse me, emotional work is real work. And if nobody got me, I know Sonia, Dorinda, Ramona, Carol Radswell, and sometimes Barbara, sometimes Barb the Builder on the season I'm currently on, which I believe is season 10 or 11 of Real Housewives of New York.
No, I... In his little backpack. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. No, it's like I, this is going to sound so fucking dumb. My closest comparison is that I use tretinoin on my skin and the cream tretinoin is always cheaper than the gel tretinoin, but the cream tretinoin is not nearly as effective. It actually has comedogens, like pore clogging ingredients in it.
So you have to use the gel if you want it to be the most effective. But of course, the gel is what's like literally for just a tube, like $400. So I did go to Mexico on vacation and I picked up a lot of tretinoin, all gel, not the cream.
So it's not the same, but it is. Listen, God brought me to it to bring me through it.
Beyond Lindsay Lohan. Okay. I don't even know who.
I can't even think of a mugshot that was serving that much.
Say that. Like the slight upturn of the chin. He said, that's a rich boy. He said, listen, if I did it. OJ Boots.
Well, who's gonna play him in a movie? Ooh, yeah, who's gonna play him in a movie? In the Luigi movie, not made by Ryan Murphy, who's gonna play Luigi? I was on team Dave Franco, but you think he's too old? Definitely too old. Yeah. Ageist in this country.
I'm about to shake the table. Oh. Because I kind of, I have the perfect casting. Who? Our friend, Dylan O'Brien.
In a movie directed by Steven Soderbergh. Oh, come on, Jesus.
I know they got me. And speaking of, I was watching on Sunday with Remy, curled up in my lap, and well, well, well, guess who I saw? I said, okay. On the silver screen. No, on the TV screen.
Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
Peyton. Hey. Sorry. I'm in the mood to shake the table. Again? You just shook it. Shake it again. Shake it again. It's an earthquake. This is an 8.0 over here. What next? Okay. So Friday, we saw A Complete Unknown, the Bob Dylan movie. Thank God we weren't sitting together. And thank God I was sitting next to our friend, Nick, who is a musician.
And truly, seconds before the movie starts, I said, sorry, what do I need to know about Bob Dylan again? I don't know a thing about this man. I was like, please tell me what I need to know about Bob Dylan. And I got like a little rundown of Bob Dylan's whole career. And as I'm watching the movie, I was like, I get it. I fully get it. Bob Dylan was the SZA of his day.
And you have to say more on that. He was the SZA of his day. Okay. He, not a vocalist, A very evocative, very good writer. True. Really voice of a generation, like, poet, writer. True. Lied a lot. He made up a lot of lore for himself. Storytellers through and through. And who else does that? Did he get a BBL? We don't know. We didn't get that far in the movie.
But kind of lives off the grid and does random shit. You can't tell me Bob Dylan, like... I don't know, just like wearing weird stuff, like saying he grew up in a carnival. That's not the equivalent of SZA going on Hot Ones in a bug costume. That's not the same.
Him showing up frowning on a red carpet. Oh, SZA wouldn't do that? No.
Anyway, I want to talk about movies. What other award season movies are on our radar? I feel like this is kind of a weird year in which like there's not a clear front runner.
But there are a lot of movies in the conversation. But I feel like that means a lot of movies are going to get left out, which is unfortunate to me.
I'm watching Roni and I'm like, okay, Sonia is going to a party for Paper Magazine. And I was like, wait, this sounds familiar. And then she like walks in wearing this wig that looks crazy, crazy, crazy. And then who do I see? But Little Miss Peyton Lindsay Dix. Thank you, government name. You had such a baby face, too.
But I think it's, like, an indicator of, like, a vibe. Like, are people taking this seriously? And I feel like Coleman Domingo, I'm going to say, is a lock for a Best Actor Oscar nomination. Yeah, yeah. I feel like he's been, like, really consistently nominated across critics groups and across, like – Golden Globes, like more voter groups. I don't know why my brain blinked.
But I feel like Sing Sing is like, will it get a Best Picture nom? I don't know.
But I want to talk about some other movies. Should we start with Emilio Perez?
You can start and I'll finish. Okay, let me tell you something that's truly shocking. Amelia Perez had the most Golden Globe nominations and is the second most nominated film in Golden Globe's history. That's crazy to me. But it's like kind of checks out a box. It's a musical. It can kind of run the table. Has a big cast.
It also got three Critics' Choice nominations, one of the top 10 films of 2024 by the AFI, and then of course won at Cannes the Jury Prize and the Best Female Ensemble collectively won Best Actress. Do I need to rewatch it? But you didn't watch it to begin with though. I tried. So you didn't watch it. I know your ass got five minutes in and said, you didn't even get to the BBL song.
That's how I know you didn't watch it. I had to give up. Okay. And you know I'm a trooper. And you know that I'm a Selenator.
I know. She got a man and a Golden Globe nom. Oof. But see, that's the thing about Millie Perez. It's like, I feel like it's kind of like the... green book of this year. Like kind of like weird politics, but it has that kind of like fan favorite. It's like such a movie that you like want to like.
And then it just like didn't work for me at all. Like I cried, but I didn't like it.
Zoey Saldana is like, she's kind of the lead of the movie and then she just disappears from the narrative like halfway through and it's like, just kidding. And then, yeah, it's just very strange to me.
Let me talk about Conclave. Let me talk about my gossiping little cardinals. You know I love me some Conclave. But I do think that Conclave is like that one movie every year that kind of peaks too early in the conversation where it's like- What do you mean by that? I think Conclave is so good, but I don't know that it can sustain the buzz. Yeah.
Because when I first saw Conclave, I was like, oh, Ralph Fiennes, best actor. Like, absolutely hands down going to happen. He's so good at it. And such a, like, you know, conflicted but also wanting to gossip and talk shit. I mean, that's my story. Women's stories matter. Get me to the Vatican. They just matter. They do.
But then I kind of am like, but no one's really talking about it as much as they were when it first came out. Now I'm feeling like we're so much more up talking about Wicked, talking about A Complete Unknown even, talking about The Brutalist. Wait, did A Complete Unknown get nominations or? Yeah, the Golden Globes.
And it was also, it won at the National Board of Review, I believe, Elle Fanning Best Supporting Actress, which was shocking to me because my sister, Joan Baez. Joan Baez. Yeah. I don't know the real actress's name, though. But she was in Top Gun Maverick.
My God, voice of an angel. And, you know, I didn't want to get back to it, but since we're talking about it again, Complete Unknown. Say you hate women more. Oh my God. I was like, it's rare that I watch a movie and I was like getting so like, I think Timmy Chalamet is so good in this movie. And yet James Mangold, the direction, like really contemptuous of every single woman.
It was like hard to watch for me at times.
No, really, really. It's like you have two, I would say good actresses. I'm like not as hot on Elle Fanning as you are, it sounds like. But still like very capable actresses. And yet they only exist as like to fight over this man who really doesn't give a fuck about either of them. I was like, dang, really? They just look wistfully out of the window being like, damn, I hope he calls me again. Yeah.
It was just, it made me so uncomfortable.
And also like, it's rare that I'm like, why can't this be a Christopher Nolan movie? And then the wife just dies. Like, why couldn't it be that? Why did it have to be like, just, I don't know.
No, I would have made some noise. I did not like that part of the movie. But I haven't seen The Brutalist yet, which is the A24 movie with Adrian Brody, which people are saying it's going to be his second Oscar win. Adrian Brody, fine as fuck. He really is.
That nose is... Have you seen, you didn't watch him on Succession, but have you seen his little reels of him walking through the streets of New York?
He's walking the streets of New York. He's about to get caught by the Joker. There's this one iconic video that he posted where he's like, New York, favorite city, greatest city in the world. And then he's walking past Grand Central. Someone drops a can. He's like, got you, brother. And the person has already picked it up. He's like, okay. It is so funny.
I key with you all the time. What did Nikki Giovanni say to James Baldwin? Oh, you are not going to.
If you have not watched Adrian Brody's, his reels, not on TikTok, on reels, you have to watch.
Also his hair bleached too. It's like just another part of this. It's like another element of this lore. I need to follow him on social media. Oh my God.
But anyway, so I've heard he's really good on the brutalist. I haven't seen it yet, but I really want to see it, which is actually kind of crazy because his biggest competition, according to all of these like Oscar pundits, is Timothee Chalamet. But Adrian Brody previously is the youngest best actor winner for the pianist.
Would be the youngest. And actually famously, you're like an awards person, but famously the Oscars like don't award young men. It's been like they award lots of young women like Jennifer Lawrence, Emma Stone, Brie Larson, if you remember her. Yeah.
Room. Oh, right, right. Oh, Lucy Vikander as well. But like they don't award, the best acting are always like kind of capstone career achievement Oscars, i.e. Gary Oldman winning in a category that include Daniel's Kaluuya. What year was that? That was the year of Get Out. That was the year of Call Me By Your Name. That was the year of Phantom Thread.
Oh, and that was the year of Roman J. Israel, Esquire, Denzel.
You know what you say about cracking down on the job.
But then there's the curse. Remember the Oscar curse. After you win an Oscar, you get divorced. But now that's kind of been, that's kind of been.
I know. I'd love to see that challenge. I'd love to manifest that challenge.
Okay, the other thing I want to talk about, because I do think, oh, we have to talk about Enora, too. Oh, yeah. I feel like, so, yes, I think with Enora, okay, I'm more mid on it than I think. Did you like it? The movie in general? The movie in general.
I think Anora is, like, it's not even really, I think, capturing, like, the cultural zeitgeist as much as, like, Uncut Gems, which would be, like, its closest comp. Where I feel like maybe Mikey Madison gets in Best Actress nomination, which would be, like, you know, really cool and amazing. Yeah.
I did see that Natalie Portman hosted a screening of Anora, which I was like, hmm, maybe there is some groundswell of support within the Academy. And if the Academy is getting younger, they, like, keep adding, like, younger membership. That could work in Anora's favor. Oh, like, to make sure that people are voting.
But I don't know. I don't, I'm kind of surprised that it's not making a lot of noise in like these like sort of smaller critic guild nominations. But we'll see. I really, I would really love to see Mikey Madison nominated because I think she deserves it. I think she deserves. But then there are other movies that I really want to talk about. Yeah. Like Coleman Domingo and Sing Sing.
Would love to see him get nominated. I feel like there's a lot of support for him. Nickel Boys. The director, Ravel Ross, won a Gotham Award, which totally deserved. That's my movie of the year. And then Hard Truths.
No, that was the outrun. Oh. When she looked like she was about to make me tap my ID again. At Emerson College. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not getting any nominations. Neither is her role or neither is the Steve McQueen movie Blitz, which I haven't seen, but I'm surprised. Steve McQueen usually, you know. Gets at least in there a little bit. Yeah. Okay, wait, what else? A real pain.
Oh, what? I'm sorry. I'm giving her her flowers. You're the Nikki of the group.
I feel like right now, Kieran Culkin is kind of the front runner for Best Supporting Actor Oscar. Is that the one with the social network? Jesse Eisenberg?
Is that the one with the social network?
No, I haven't seen it, but I saw a list that Kieran Culkin has won. Basically, every Critics Award, every precursor, which is kind of sad because if I had my druthers, you know who would be taking home an Oscar this year for Best Supporting Actor. I'm going to put on these robes. I'm going to put on these rings. I'm going to go crazy. I'm going to go fucking crazy. Denzel.
I don't think so. I mean, maybe it could get like a Best Picture nomination, but I don't see... It's kind of funny. I feel like Gladiator 2 and Dune 2 are both like making no noise right now. Dune 2? Unless it's for Austin Butler... That's what I'm saying.
anyway how are you doing are you well no okay so no one's doing well here so i'm like i was like truly like what's the correct term like mainlining like receiving roni intravenously okay like that's how much i was watching roni yesterday and andrew was like don't talk to me like you're on a reunion
It's like, it's crazy that challengers that we don't have Oscar nominations for are like a lot of like, you know, conversation around how good the two challengers boys, Mike Feist and Josh O'Connor and Austin Butler. I mean, if I had my way, it would be like lockstep between the three of them winning everything.
Maybe, but that doesn't, it's like, whatever. I think challengers, it's so good.
But then again, it's like the Academy not wanting voting groups, not taking younger men performers very seriously. Not to advocate for a man, but... Okay, wait.
I think, but then after Oscars So White, the April rain fronted, I would say campaign to get, to make it more diverse. The Academy has like really got out of its way to add younger, more international, more people of color, like votership, which is how I think you get like Parasite winning Best Picture. Because it really is like more of an international group than it has been at any other time.
Which is exciting. But, you know, then it's like Shape of Water still won Best Picture. Was that the one with the lizard?
The lizard. And the girl.
Totally. Well, the Golden Globes are on January 5th. Oscar nominations come out January 17th. Okay. So stay tuned.
Maybe you are Zendaya. Shut up. Okay, tell me about keeping an eye out for Selina.
And it was not something like so random. Like he was going to like take Remy out for afternoons. He was like, don't talk to me like you're on Roni. It's not reunion talk. Talk to me normal.
Banger song? Should have been bigger. Should have been bigger. It was a really good song.
I love Selena. I love Selena Gomez.
I love Selena Gomez. And I, you know, one day she will meet her match. I don't think it's this man. I don't think – sorry. Benny Blanco, have you – did you – first of all, did you see when he painted his toenails like a rug? He's so like just – you know when your friend's boyfriend is just like nasty to be around? I'm like – Many such cases. I don't want to see you.
I don't want to hang out with you. I don't want to like be around you. If you are coming to meet me, don't bring him. That's how I feel about Benny Blanco.
Everything about him. You sent that 30 part thread of like every like just nasty thing he'd ever posted on Instagram. And we're talking about like, and that doesn't even include all of his feet pics. I hate that I've seen this man's toes too many times. Yes. It's like he's, first of all, he's too active on TikTok at his big age. You can't be 32 and still posting on TikTok like that.
Unless you're like funny.
I was going to say, unless you're a woman, you don't need to be on the internet like that. He just like posts inappropriate stuff, like puts like dildos on dogs.
Taco Bell on a raggedy picnic blanket? But say, okay, because this was in the carousel of her announcing the engagement. He had proposed, I guess, during a Taco Bell picnic. Logo prominently displayed.
But listen, I know people are like, well, we know who paid for the ring. We know who has all the money. But like, Benny Bongo, is it an accomplished music producer? Yes, yes. We can give him that.
Famous for working under Dr. Luke and Max Martin. Mm-hmm. We can say a lot of things, but unfortunately, two of the biggest pop producers of the last two decades.
You're doing too much. But I also, okay. I was listening to like a Spotify playlist. This is like kind of the beginning of me starting to go through it this weekend. Okay. Listening to a Spotify playlist. It was like, oh, I was listening to Romy Mars. Ever heard of her? Oh. My white queen, Romy Mars.
What I also want to bring us back to, though, is my sister, Selena, when she was rolling out this romance, boxing with her fans in the comments- When they were like, he's like shaded you in interviews, like he's so gross. She responded to one, he is my absolute everything in my heart. Someone said, he sucks. She said, then why has he been the best thing that's ever happened to me? The end. No.
No, she's away with words. She's a poet. Mistress Dylan. Bobby on a Dylan. Don't do that. I will. Someone was like, he's so bad for you. She said, he's still better than anyone I've ever been with. Facts. No. Get up. There are no ghostwriting allegations for these comments. You know this was her.
Yeah, promptly had to take a break from social media after that, as she's wont to do. But she has had. I just want her to find her person so bad. And her person is not.
Divorce album. That's going to go crazy.
Oh, 100%. And then she'll bounce back. Because she just had like quite a tumultuous romantic life. Bieber, of course, we don't even have to go into that. Remember when she dated or like not even did like hooked up with Orlando Bloom. There's that one iconic paparazzi photo of them outside of a club sitting on a curb.
Orlando Bloom has a cigarette hanging out of his mouth about to like lunge at the paparazzi. And she is like kind of like not trying to like be seen. All she does is get embarrassed by men. And then the weekend. And when I say curse on his house, that he made the idol clearly all about her. Yeah. All about her, like, you know, obviously depression, anxiety, mental health problems.
And it's like, what it just, ugh. I will, ugh. Yeah.
But it's coming from a place of love. I want the best for her. And I don't think that this is the best that she can do.
Yeah, the granddaughter of Francis Ford Coppola, daughter of Sophia. They owe everything to her. But anyway, and Spotify was like autoplaying like, you know, other like sad white girl music. And I listened to this one song and it was so good, but I didn't know who it was. And I, a chill came through my spirit. And I said, this better not fucking be Gracie Abrams. I was like, I was shaking.
To leave this man. Aye, aye, aye. And now Taylor Swift, did you see she commented for two things I want to point out about this Instagram post of the announcement. It has like 20 million likes on social media. And Taylor Swift said that she was going to be the flower girl. I was like, okay. And then Hailey Bieber liked it. Thank God. And that's women supporting women.
She lit a cigarette and she said, finally.
Yes, hunched over, tired. She said, I simply have a baby. At the end of the day, listen, I understand that I will never understand. But I'll stand with Lovey Like a Love song. Perfect song.
And for Luigi, I'm going to be like passing a collection plate like in church for his defense.
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I was like, oh my God, I hope it's not Gracie. I hope it's not Gracie Abrams. And of course it wasn't.
I was making an observation, I would think. Probably.
I don't know. Some girl named Shirley. One day I'll convert you. No, I saw what she did on SNL and I was like, that's enough for me. Okay, what are we talking about this week? This week, we're keeping an eye out for Selina. That's what we're doing. She just got engaged. We'll also be keeping an eye out for the hot assassin, Luigi Mangione. Luigi Mangione. You pronounce the E at the end?
Okay. And who or what is our award season's frontrunner? We have several thoughts on this year's big movies, including and especially A Complete Unknown.
So there's this guy, and you might have heard of him. Up and coming. Up and coming. I'd say he came. He came.
Okay, sorry. I have to bring this to the space.
Sorry, I want to be respectful.
Ooh, James Gandolfini taking a peek. Okay.
Okay, dare I say, he's my man.
I don't play about him. Luigi Mangione, he, okay, allegedly shot the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. And big on allegedly. We don't know what happened. We don't know what happened. They caught him actually last Monday while we were recording this very podcast. Yeah. But there's a lot that we need to get into. Mostly that he's so hot.
But you knew he was hot. You knew he was hot when he took on his little mask to flirt. I said, oh, we have a hoe on our hands.
Heavy brow. Heavy on the brow. Heavy on the boy brow.
I actually need him to like get out of prison and get into an Anastasia brow deal. Maybe some boy brow on top.
I would say the NYX, the clear brow gel, like the really good stuff.
I know. It's like, okay, unfortunately, someone had to die. But fortunately, everyone is united against the healthcare system, against insurance agencies.
And it just came out over the weekend. I think that was not even his insurance. Really? He simply just targeted the biggest and the baddest.
Just think of it as Aaron Brockovich, but in the Bible. In biblical terms.
Aaron Brockovich, who famously brought a giant corporation to its knees and a small town to its feet.
What's gotten you down?
He has a good heart. He has a good heart.
I also – I think it was Ken Klipperstein had posted his – like, Luigi's Manifesto on his sub stack that, like, no other news organization would post it. But what I love – Man of Brevity. Okay. Manifesto is only, like, 250 words. He said, let me – listen, we know I have – HBIC, the long-winded bitches. Thank you.
Well, I think we have usually about 45 to 55 minutes.
He was to the point, he said, listen, frankly, there are more qualified people than me to make an argument, but you know it's wrong. You know what they're doing is wrong in these insurance providers.
We do over here. I don't know about over there. But I was like, he kind of is winning me over nonstop. But a little bit about his backstory. What I do want to talk about is that he comes from money. Which I love. Just adds more-
I know, but this is like, this is how bad insurance and healthcare in America is that even the super, not super, but even like the very wealthy are struggling against this. His family comes from money. They own country clubs, real estate developers. He got his master's in engineering from Penn, also a major in computer science and minor in math.
What I'm saying is good at, you know, when men use a computer and it's called a terminal, that's him. You watch Succession? Yeah, I watch Succession. Which I talk about all the time, yeah. I've seen it before. I'm familiar. Anyway. But then he moved to Hawaii and was surfing in Hawaii and kind of, like, hanging out in Hawaii.
And that's where he kind of, like, his back injury was so debilitating from, like, surfing that he became, like, a recluse.
I'm going to say husband material.
I think I sent the interview.
Companies taking their. Yes. Yes. And also like.
It's just, like, it's funny, too, to consider that Luigi getting caught, like, kind of around the same time as Daniel Penny was found, like, acquitted of murdering Jordan Neely on the subway. That, like, we have one white man who's, like, completely benefiting from the system, like, fully killed someone in full view, many witnesses on the subway, just for, like, feeling threatened.
Like, not even, like, being – The vibe was off, and that was – yeah, no.
But then it's like, and what's going to happen to Luigi? And I think even though Luigi is a white man, actually handsome, has many systems working in his favor, what if he is found guilty simply because who did he put in his crosshairs but the rich and powerful?
But you know what actually has radicalized me? Is this whole story, I'm going to call it a fiction, that they found him in the McDonald's because someone saw him in the small McDonald's. He was like eating his, I don't know, hash browns or whatever. And someone was like, oh my God, that's the shooter. I don't think that's how it happened. I think they're lying to us.
Wait, then what do you think happened? I think that the government has like facial recognition, something that they don't want us to know about.
A lot of hackers, though, are nerds. Like, they're kind of, they could be, I could see them being, like, pro-police. Do you have any healthcare stories? Any healthcare? Oh, girl, I know you have a many. I know you have a many. Again, how long do you have?
No, but I think she was kind of like, she came around in the end. They kind of redeemed her in the end.
Okay. Number one, obviously Dana. Yeah. She kept that hospital going with gum and a bobby pin. And a cigarette. And a cigarette. And a cigarette. She kept it moving. Taking Dr. Robbie, of course. I just love the way Dr. Robbie, those glasses too. Mm-hmm. Oh, my gosh.
Yes, yes. Oh, Dr. King. Who's that? The white girl. Bryan Cranston's daughter, whose sister's on the spectrum. Oh, wait. Oh, my God, Mel. With the blonde. I can't believe I forgot Mel in my rankings. Put her up. Put her up. Yes. I thought that she was so wonderful. And it's like, I could never be that patient.
And so when I see someone patient, I think... It won't be me, but maybe one day in a fantasy I can aspire.
No, I'm not going to watch Elf. I'm grown. No, I love Elf, but I have to watch it on the holidays. Okay, then Dr. Abbott because I'll see him after the shift. And then Dr. McKay, Dr. Bangs. She really went through it with the ankle monitor, with her hot ass ex-husband, first of all. And then his younger girlfriend who wore like the bonus mom shirt.
I was like, girl, you are going through it here and at home. Oh my goodness. You never get any reprieve. Yeah, handcuffed and everything.
And then after that, I think it was Dr. Garcia, that one doctor. She's only in it for a couple of scenes, but she's always like very like she's going to talk to Santos and was like, I don't want to hear this. If you're talking to me about Dr. Langdon, I don't want to hear it. Oh, yeah. It's your first day.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, the one who's at the bottom of my list, Dr. Whitaker. I don't use people's names.
I don't know. Well, he's the one that got pissed on. Oh. Yeah, him. Yeah, I think he's at the bottom of my list only because at the end of the day, it's like you didn't really do a lot. Like I feel bad for him because someone died on his watch on his shift and he like really couldn't have helped it. Although I guess we don't know.
But I just kind of felt like he's like, you know, not essential to the plot. Yeah, I found myself wanting to fast forward through his scene. Yeah. And also, I didn't realize that Santos is British, and so is Whitaker. In real life? Yeah. And Santos' accent on Locke the entire episode. He sounded like Idris Elba when he was in Molly's Game. I was like, girl. She sounded like Idris Elba in The Wire.
He sounded like Idris Elba in Molly's Game. Accent dropping.
Why am I annoying?
Okay, God forbid I say he sounded like Emma Watson in Little Women. Ugh, I'm going to drag my...
Sorry. Okay, well, next season. Yeah. It's going to be the 4th of July. That's what I read. God. That's going to be crazy. That's going to be crazy. People who celebrate the 4th of July, oh God, the most annoying people on earth.
Oh, Lord.
No, I grew up in Oklahoma. Oh, you were on the streets? Yeah, when I was like younger, we would do fireworks and stuff. And then I grew up and, you know, open a book. Nothing to celebrate here.
Oh, like a Thanksgiving. I think like a Thanksgiving thing would be fun.
Yeah, they don't. You know, it doesn't need to be the pit. It needs to be like NCIS, like a cop drama. Yes, taking Jamie Lee Curtis right to jail. I want to see them at Emerson College, a little building during orientation. Imagine them responding to like a dorm issue. That would be so embarrassing.
No, because I loved myself. I was only in Piano Row. We can't talk about this too much. I don't want to endorse Emerson College, God forbid. Okay, last question. What should Dr. Robbie do on his day off? This was a question I posed to the newsletter. Oh, I'm so curious what the answers were. Girl, you know, people were being hung up. Everyone said, me, me, chorus of me, me, me.
I don't think so. I don't think so. Because I also think, you know, low key, she should have an Emmy, too. And I would love to see it. Yeah. Nothing is crazier than the reveal that Dr. Robbie's ex-girlfriend was white. No. That was crazy. That was crazy. That was nasty, actually.
We're right here. That really, that like shocked everyone. Everyone's like, what? Even white people. They were like, no. It was like the Elvis clip. He's white. He's white. He's white. Yeah.
Imagine us being on the pit. We're sitting there just like, oh, somebody needs help over there. No, I'm live on Instagram. It's not me, though.
Like how it feels to have tight shoulders. You were like, oh, my shoulders are tight. I'm like, that's how tight my shoulders are. That's how tight my body is all the time. That's how tight my shoulders are all the time. Yeah. Okay. Favorite moments of us seeing Mary J. Blige.
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Yeah, yeah. I think I start off with hate, but like in deep, it's love. You're working toward love. It's all love. Yeah. I like that about you. Everything is peaceful love.
First of all, her coming up on like the far stage, you know, like the ancillary stage and then getting in what can be described as like a tiara. Yeah. Like kind of like a tiara to go to like the main stage. The main stage being two hands manicured down, of course, holding a crown. And I said, absolutely, you should.
A good storyline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People who aren't messy are boring. That's what they don't talk about. They have nothing going on. Yeah. Yeah. So when we were on your show, we talked about how the four of us like are kind of parallels. Friends who've been like close for a long time now have a podcast. I want to know how you guys navigate that.
Do you have like conversations that you're like, we need to save this for the pod? Because that's how we are sometimes.
Oh, that part. That part. I don't know which notes app it's in.
Wait, you're kind of this people's princess.
I love that you can keep multiple storylines in your head. Cause that's, that's, that's like, yeah.
No, no, listen, and I will stand by it. Mary J. Blige. And I say it with love. That, she's from the hood. She is a hood bitch. And I love it about her. She is the last real hood bitch. She really is. At one point in the show, sweating on, she was flat on, I think she was singing No More Drama. She was flat on her back. And I mean, not flat on her back, like, like just arms outstretched.
Okay, no, that's a really good question because I'm trying to think. I'm like, who am I in this dynamic? Is that not obvious? Okay, tell me since it's obvious.
Hey, yeah.
That's true. How are you? Everyone is your friend. And you're only a certain...
But I remember everything about everyone. Oh. Okay. I remember the girl who was late to Rachel's birthday brunch in 2014, two hours late, said, oh my God, you guys ordered without me? Yeah, I remember that.
Which one was this?
Yeah.
I think I know what you're putting down. You're... lost trying to get to Mary J. Blige, someone is like, where is Peyton? Do you have her location? I'm like, of course I do. We're trying to figure out where you are. Not on her way, by the way.
But speaking of orbit... Speaking of orbit, incredible transition. Oh, thank God. Speaking of orbit, something that we have to get your guys' point of view on is the all-female trip to space that happened. It was Lauren Sanchez, Gayle King, Katy Perry... and some other women went to space for just about truly four minutes. They spent four minutes in space and then came right back down.
I watched it this morning with my dog and it was like I had ordered a smoothie and it still hadn't gotten there and they had come and gone. They had come and returned.
Katy Perry sang in space and I heard her through like the live feed on CBS singing, but I couldn't tell what she was singing. And she got back to us and said, I sang What a Wonderful World.
No, they asked her to though. They're like, do you want to like, could you do Roar? And she goes, I don't want to make it about me. She should not be singing Roar in space. She'd be singing E.T. in space. E.T. That's what they asked for though. They asked for Roar.
Like she said, who cares? No, she was laid out. She was laid out singing, singing, singing. But what actually did piss me off. Oh yeah, no. Was when she was singing. What was it? Was it All Night Long? No, it was Knock on Cry. When she passed off the mic? She had her hand on her hip. The microphone was out in her hand. She said...
Did they get paid to go to space? I don't know if they got paid or if it was like a spawn thing. Cause it was sponsored by Jeff Bezos's, like his like company does it. Okay. So free Amazon for a year.
And let's talk about best friendship because Oprah was there in Texas, like where they blasted off from, technical term, wearing yellow. And when Oprah was like crying, it was so crazy. And like imagine that waiting room of like Oprah, Gail's two kids, Jeff Bezos, just waiting for the five minutes. Also Orlando Bloom. Oh, period.
And Katy Perry had brought a daisy with her because her daughter's name is Daisy Bloom. Oh, that's all the nice things she did. And that's giving allergy season. Yeah.
Don't say that too much because I'll dox you. Happened to some of us on this show before. Period. Me. Okay, so is Katy Perry and Gayle King going to space, mess or living? I think their reaction when they landed is mess.
Yeah, it does kind of feel like they were going to spaces and they were sitting in a high chair. It's like your feet could touch the ground, but they didn't. Just elevated.
Oh my God.
Be the regular folk. No, this is the kind of greed they talked about in the Bible. This is like end times greed. For sure. For sure.
I don't know that I want Katy Perry to be the representation of all of humanity. No. That's a little bit crazy.
Are we?
No, they just send the worst. They just send the worst.
I was like, wait, no, this is not the random people in Queens show. This is the Mary J. Bly show. I actually wanted to hear you sing it. But she did do that for almost every song. Well, no, that's not true. For all of her big songs, like the really like... What else did she do it for? She was passing that mic around. She did it. Yeah, she did it a lot. But then there was like one girl.
It was so funny that on CBS the whole morning, it was Gail goes to space. That was like the chyron for every single moment of this. I was like, oh my goodness, you really are playing in her face. If she gets top billing on this, don't associate me with that. That's too much.
No, you know what I'm going to say. It's that woman that you were telling us about who ran over someone with her car in the Hamptons. We return to that often.
Oh, wow. Oh, queen.
Free Lizzy. Lizzy Grubman Innocent, actually.
Free Lizzy. Free. Thank you. Thank you. And Marie, what do you think is your favorite piece of celebrity mess lore?
And that's Trump's Department of Education. No one can spell Ray J. Yeah.
Moesha. Yeah. I'm like about to choke. That is so funny. That's so crazy. Yeah. Okay. Mass ladies. Thank you for joining us. And where can people find you and your show? Oh girl, everywhere you find podcasts, you can find this.
Oh, I'm Going Down. That was the one where she like had really just like gave it to like a random like white girl in the audience. I
Boot cam. Let's talk about boot cam. Boot cam. Oh, I was going to answer your story. Because it was so... Okay, so before the show even started, there was like a thing that was like, if you're wearing your boots... Tag the boot cam. And the bitches were wearing their boots. Let me tell you that. Boots the house down. Red, leather, fur, so much fur. A lot of them were above the knee.
Yeah, you're right.
You did. Thank God. But we got a little sneak peek. Yes, yeah. So a couple weeks ago, we went to the USM Hauler store. There's like a listening room in the back, which is so beautiful. And it was like such a perfect small album listening thing where we got to hear the album on like these amazing speakers. And it all like started to snow as we were listening, which was –
I will say pretty emotional. We are both fresh off of breakups. So it was Hunter saying that.
I was really in my feelings. And it's funny. I feel like with Bon Iver and like, you know, I don't know who else. It's like, oh, I listened to this music when I was in high school. And I'm like still listening to it now. And it's still like interesting. Yeah. I will say I had to call our friend Haley to the red table because she was like, Bon Iver. You mean like skinny love Bon Iver?
Like you were listening to that? I was like, girl, yes. Come into 2025. Welcome.
No, you were looking different. You were moving different.
Yeah.
And then I did, you told me about doing Reiki, how it like really changed your day, whatever. I went to the same woman. Yeah. A day later, I did Reiki.
And also, I'm like, oh my God, I can do anything. Yes, I did Reiki with the same woman. And the first thing she said when she got done, because I fell asleep for a little bit of it, obviously. I love a nap. She was like, well, you're very guarded. I was like, oh, totally. I was like, that's how I know it's not like bull crap. It must be real. That was the first thing she got from me.
And then, of course, I feel like something was like misaligned in the universe because I got a call from my mom right as I walked out because, you know, she would not have been supportive of me doing Reiki.
I didn't tell her. I was like, oh, yeah. She's like, what's going on with you? I was like, I'm good. And you?
Yes, but I love this album. And I think it's, it was just so like, okay, favorite songs. Day one, walk home, everything is peaceful. And if only I could wait. Even listening, I was like, before I knew like any of the features, whatever, I was like, oh, that's the voice of Danielle Heim. Oh, yeah. You know your sisters. My girl. I know my girl. But I love, I love this album.
I was like, wow, this is like so hopeful, but also moody, but also like... I don't... Maybe it is the artist's way.
There's something so springy about this album. It feels like renewal rebirth.
I was like, one thing about Mary, she's going to wear a boot.
Yeah, yeah. A lot of this album feels like settling your own, like, self-disappointment in a way. Like, understanding, like, I'm not where I thought I would be, but I'm somewhere different and almost greater. Yeah. That seems to be a big theme of this album. I wish I could breathe through my nose as we're talking about this. Fresh breath, new start, all this. And I'm like, I have allergies.
Spring, in many ways. Spring is springing. Spring is springing. There are so many, like, collabs as part of this rollout. Yeah. But the biggest collab is that Bon Iver has his little beanie on and he's hot now. Justin Vernon.
Yeah. When the hat comes on, I'm like, oh. I see a little something.
He is so in your Q zone of men that you like. I love it. Yeah. That's so your type. Thank you.
Wait, there's some healing that needs to happen. I don't even know what, like, it probably has happened. There's so many, many such cases. There are literally, there are many such cases. I don't even know what you're referring to.
No, I fuck with this album heavy. It has been, it will be on my Spotify wrapped. But even like pre-Spotify rap, when we had like the stream, I was listening to it so much. Oh yeah. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is my emotional support Bon Iver album. Press play. Everything really like is peaceful love.
You know, I have to stop passing a hospital and think, put me in coach. I know what I'm doing. Hunter like trips on purpose.
One thing about Mary J. Blige. Oh, what a night. What a night I will never forget. A night I will always remember. That's my sister for real. Listening to Mary J. Blige on the way to school to now once in a generation talent. Yeah. I love her.
Here you go. Dance background. Oh, God. Mary, she's beyond it. She transcends dance. It's like, it's physical. It's movement. It's movement. She's like, she's like Tish movement class.
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Yes.
Yeah.
I was in a bad place. You were in a bad place. I understood.
Yeah. A rare mid-concert break. Like there were dance breaks, but there was like, they fully had, who was the DJ? I can't remember his name. Funk Flux. Yeah. Yeah. That was crazy. Sorry. Sorry. If you only knew how much cold medicine I'm on right now. Yeah, the rare like mid-concert break that like he comes back on and then she comes back on. And I was like, all right, Mary.
And that's why we love her. Yes. Oh, I love her so much. But she redeemed herself in your eyes. Yeah, here's the thing about Mary J. Blige.
I hope someday someone says that about me. Queen, mother to many, nasty.
And it was so... Okay, sorry. To be clear, I sound like this because of allergies and also because in the rain, I trekked to... Elwood. Was that what it was called? Elwood? Somewhere deep in Queens because I had to see Mary J. Blige live. Yeah. And we were offered tickets and seats in a box and we went and my life has changed. I'm a different woman than I was before.
Harry said, don't do that. I don't see a problem with it. Wow. Well, listen. Talk about going through it. You know what I was thinking? What did Dr. Robbie do after his pit shift? You know he listened to Samaria J. Blige in the car, in the car home. You know he did because he really went through it. No, no more drama.
This week, we are talking about the final hour of our shift at the Pittsburgh hospital, the pit, i.e. the pit finale. And excuse me for advocating for a man, but we'll be talking about Bon Iver, Justin Vernon, new album, and that he's hot now.
What a shift. 15 hours later, huh? Oh my gosh. My knees are buckling. under the weight of the stress of this one shift. The stress that you're holding from watching The Pit. Yes, yes. No, listen, I need 30 cc's of ketamine right now. I need whatever else they do on that show.
We don't know. There were drugs in his locker, but we don't know how they got there or why.
That was so crazy. Because Dr. Robbie had a breakdown after he couldn't save his light-skinned, almost stepson's girlfriend. And let me tell you, Dr. Robbie having a... White wife? No, not white wife. White ex-wife? No, they were never married. They were just dating. But that boy looked mixed. But anyway, Dr. Harvey did have like a breakdown because it has been a very stressful day for my man.
Yeah. It was the anniversary of his like mentor's death or whatever. He'd been through more than Mary J. Blige in her divorce. And yet, nevertheless, he persisted.
What else happened? Santos, Dr. Santos, who had a nasty attitude.
The whole shift. The whole shift. And it was her first shift too. I'm like, girl, how do you start off on a bad foot like that at a new job on day one? No, she got on my last nerve. But, I mean, complicated character. Listen, what do we love? Strong female characters. Do we?
I don't want... Okay. Sorry. I saw Jeff Bezos today and he looked like a chapped lip. Okay. That was set to reach.
Yes, yes, yes. Went through everything.
Wow. Maybe you are chapstick. I redeemed myself. You saw it live here. Who else? Who else? Oh, I have to say Javadi, like the young kind of prodigy doctor whose mom is a surgeon upstairs. I love the upstairs downstairs of the pit, you know, like the kind of like class war. Yeah, yeah.
Javadi kind of checks her mom that one episode because of Dr. McKay, Dr. Bangs, checking her earlier, you know, each one teach one. And she tries to, you know, kind of hit on Mateo, the hot nurse with the curls. Who's gay. He's gay. To me. No, he just has curly hair. He's not gay. He's just biracial. Yeah, yeah. And then Mateo is like, do you want to get a drink after? Not like a drink drink.
A group. Like it's a group thing, which he's quick to clarify. Yeah. And then, Charger's Dana, who got punched in the face during her shift by, he's, we don't know that he's MAGA, but he seems MAGA. He's MAGA. What did you say? MAGA teeth.
MAGA forehead. He has MAGA teeth, MAGA forehead. MAGA facial hair, too.
Oh, my gosh.
You really are. And she was like, I think this is my last day because I can't do this shit anymore. And... And does she say goodbye? We don't know. Yeah.
Yes, yes, yes.
Yes. Dr. Abbott clipping off his little leg like he's Aviva Drescher in Real Housewives of New York. You don't even know what I'm talking about. I know. I know it because I'm forced to. When she threw her leg at Le Cirque. She said the only thing about me is this leg. It's like kind of Dr. Abbott tease.
No, Dr. Abbott would say that except she was like clearly cravenly self-producing to get another season because she knew that she was boring and he was holding it down. He was trying not to jump. Yeah. Well, okay. I want to say something here today. Yeah. I'm so sorry, Adam Scott. The Emmy is Noah Wiley's.
Yes. Okay. Well, I have to say I love Dr. Abbott. That's my man. Over Robbie? Maybe. You know what? When I was a child, I had the foresight to choose McSteamy over McDreamy. And I feel like that's the same dynamic right now. Okay. I have to go with my man. I have to go with Dr. Abbott. The intensity, the ferocity, I love it. The way that he's talking to Dr. Robbie, like, we can't save everyone.
You got to move along. Sorry. I love a decisive man. Hunter? What? They're kind of us-coded. No, they really are.
And I'm the one that comes in very direct. That's not going to happen. It's not going to. We can't make it work. So we need to move along.
And wow, when I say MJ be the MVP. Okay, this is what happened. First, Mario and Neo opened. Neo changed hats three times. Naturally, though. As he should. Neo, which I guess I kind of underestimate. Wow, he really has a lot of hit songs. Miss Independent, Closer. He really held it down for me in eighth grade.
Wow. No, that kind of really is us. No, I love it. I love it. Now, here's what I need to know. Yeah. Okay, a lot of people were like wanting more from the finale. But I kind of like that it's like just a regular night, you know? Yeah. Like after everything that we've been through. Do you remember the girl who tried to have an abortion? Whose aunt brought her to have an abortion?
I forgot about her. All the way back in hour one of the shift, hour two of the shift. Like we've been through so much. Let's just end the shift on like a nice note. Like why can't we just like... Let's just have a beer in the park for fuck's sake. Let's just like kind of like be calm. Be quiet, Tiffany. I appreciated that about the finale. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Remember the adult children of that dad when they like, Dr. Robbie was like, please don't make me intimate this elderly man. Please let him like die in peace. Like there's just been so much happening. I was kind of happy that like, there's not one more like last minute cliffhanger, whatever that we're left on other than like Dana. Yeah.
Yeah. Feels good. Okay. I want to hear from you. Yeah. Who were your favorites this season? I want you to rank the staff for me.
The two that be king?
Messy Myrna. I love a bitch who goes missing. Yes. It's like, I wish, I wish I could be mysterious, but I talk too much and I'm nosy. So I love a woman who just simply goes missing. You see yourself in Myrna? No, I want to see myself in Myrna. I wish I was more like Myrna. Yes, yes.
I liked the brutalist. Yeah. I did not like Brady Corbett's first speech. We didn't have an iPhone. Girl, it's the Golden Globes. Like, no offense. It's like, this is not like your like drunk cousin's wedding. This is the Golden Globes. You need to have a speech printed out. Like, be for real. Yeah. And it's always a fun prop when someone like rips up their speech when they don't win. Yeah.
Kathy Bates did it. I thought she also looked amazing. That was the big one. That's the one I can really think about. Okay. You know who I want to talk about. Say it. Miley Cyrus.
It's a Monday. I'm tired, bro.
I thought she looked amazing. Like she looked.
She's like a single mom who works two jobs, who loves her kids and never stops.
Truly, like, the dress was, like, fine. But just, like, the hair with the glasses with the glam. The glasses. Normally I wear glasses around. I was like, okay, wait. Like, you're doing something that the other girls simply are not. Especially when, and I'm not trying to pit women against each other, but especially when, like, every other young woman was, like, doing the, like, old Hollywood thing.
Like, doing the serious actress old Hollywood thing. And Miley just was like, whatever. I'm here to party. I'm here to see my friends. Yeah.
And she happens to be 86 years old. She knows how you're supposed to show up to a red carpet.
but she knows she knows and she looks so good and she knew she looked good you could tell she knew she looked good was she there for any specific nomination she was there to be seen oh she was there no I think she had a song in Last Showgirl oh yeah have you seen that yet yes I have oh okay but she was there to be seen let's be serious that movie wasn't as good in the song yeah do you remember in college what we would call that Sabs with Sawyer we would go to the dining hall to be see and be seen not eat just kind of I was thinking about how good the water was in the dining hall the other day move on um
I loved Anastasia.
Okay, who else looked good? Ayo. Ayo looked really good. I was really good. Now I want girls.
Kind of reddish, red undertone, yes. Yeah. That's going to be next for me, I think. She's such a fashion girl.
Yeah, I should. Very, very Beyonce Dangerously in Love tour. No, Beyonce Experience tour. Anyway, I also want to talk about Jeremy Strong and his bucket hat. Because wait, why was I? I don't know. I was watching with Michael Kuby, Ian Cognito. Yeah. And one of their friends. And Ian was like, who was in the bucket hat? Who was in the back of the run of every single song in the bucket hat?
And of course, it was Jeremy Strong. Yeah. He looked like he literally looked like the Statue of Liberty. Yeah.
No, I loved it. Yeah. Especially when you're nominated for a movie like The Apprentice, which has not been like really widely embraced because it's like Trump, controversial to some. Yeah. But like, I just thought it was like hilarious. I love an unserious man. Yeah. I like it. And also speaking of, okay, the first person in my apartment to know that Zendaya got engaged was Ian.
Because we were watching this show together, Ian is a stylist, and he was like, oh, that ring. That is not a loader. I was like, what? No, I was like, genius, genius, genius, genius. He knew. He was like, you don't get that. It doesn't match the other jewelry. That's not a loaner. No one will get that up.
Really? Yeah, but then I was like, why would you do that?
Between Christmas and New Year's, yes, at her family house. Yeah.
Oh, she had a hee-hee and a ha-ha.
Oh, my God. You're so LA. Okay. Here we go. Long-winded ass bitch. Here's the thing.
But then I think whenever they took like a little break and she was on that one date with poor Jacob Lordy. Talk about community dick. He's just out trying to get whatever.
I'm happy for them. Yes, I'm happy for them. And I have to say the real winner, Challengers gets nothing. Well, one award, but the real winner is Tom Holland. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One big, one gold. Yeah.
2025. It's going to be our year, I think. Just a little bit. Maybe not at all. Hasn't been so far. Yeah. Well, we are only two weeks into 2025. And today we have with us to discuss New Year's resolutions, New Year, New Me, New Year, Same Me, Kat Cohen and Pat Rieken. They are the hosts of our favorite podcast, Seek Treatment. You can watch Kat's Netflix special, The Twist. She's gorgeous.
And listen to her album, Overdressed. And Pat Rieken is a writer on the HBO show, Hack.
Wow. Wow. Okay, we have two important questions for you both. Oh. Are you a lover or a hater? Lover.
Really? Do you find this? Yes. Oh, my gosh.
I have to actually click, like, don't show this person anymore. Yeah. I won't say who, but it's too much. It's me.
But we go back to school in August.
How do you know what stretches? Do you have like a YouTube or like a person you – I kind of YouTube.
He had the calendar open. He said, and I'll be back in three nights. So you figure it out. You keep watching for me every single night, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I'll be here at the door. Capricorn. He had a plan. I, oof. You didn't like it though? You didn't like Miss Fortune? I didn't like it at all. I didn't like it at all. I love my big four-headed sister, Lily Rose Depp.
I don't know. I don't know. What's up? You're back in the studio. You're back in New York.
As a dog mother, I have to. She gets me up. She gets me out.
I've seen her around. What else about Remy?
Oh, God, no. No. Please don't scream at me. Please don't scream at me at the Wondery Studio. No, no, no. She's a schnoodle, a schnauzer poodle mix. She is going to be two in March. Okay, I need to see some images. She has an Instagram now.
Screen time. Her screen time is going up, but I'm just kidding.
She's an iPad baby. Her username is at underscore underscore Remy Pa. She's the name of Remy Ma, the rapper. She's plugging it. And also Remy from Ratatouille. But actually, famously, she ate... Chewed. Chewed Peyton's journal. No. And I still actually feel bad. That's loaded. No, she did it.
Well, for it to be published. Memoirs. Of course.
Listen, that's my girl. buttoned up to the top. But no, I didn't like it. I just thought it was like kind of so like droll and like nothing was happening. Oh, you know who I did really like though in the movie? Oh my gosh, Has That Wife. Oh, Emma Corrin? Is that their name? Has That Wife. To me, it sounds like you're saying, how's that wife?
Many listeners wanted to know.
I kind of like it.
I hate those logistics. Yeah. I really, ugh, I hate trains. I love them, but I'm always late.
Emerson. We were in a history of media arts class together. When did you know we were going to? Do a podcast. Oh, I. Which semester did you know you were in? I think it was when we were on that Thanksgiving trip with Rachel and her family.
With a cavity? Yes or no?
Aaron Taylor Johnson.
Yeah. But these two other girls on the trip were so annoying. And I was like, actually, like, yeah, you're my friend. I think we can make this work, you and I.
not rachel i knew when uh i convinced you to come up to this we like met a man in a pizza shop and he was like wait first of all you fucking bitch that was years into our friendship how dare you no not in years that we were friends when i knew you would be a oh i was about to say i like somehow convinced we were at a new york pizza on tremont so we met these men and they were so weird but you were like whatever and
Married to Sam Taylor Johnson, the director who they met when he was like 17. Yeah. And she was like 42. Much older than that. But yeah, I really liked him in that. I was like, oh, okay. A little mixy. I like that. No matter what, I'm into a movie with Willem Dafoe. Yeah. Willem Dafoe? Yeah. He was good in it. He was good in it. On my cheat sheet, on my hit list.
Then we'd go up. They lived upstairs. And so we went up to their little studio apartment or something. Oh, my God. And they were throwing bottles out on the street on one of the busiest intersections. Making those TikToks? Years later, Zendaya would be right there. Oh, my God. And Hunter looked at me like,
Yeah, good. I was like, we need to leave right now. This is too much.
Has anyone ever dropped a penny off the Empire State Building? I don't know. I hope not. I don't know. What a way to go. I did recently rewatch King Kong. The Peter Jackson King Kong. Interesting. The Empire State Building plays a big role in that movie.
You guys are wrist tippers. I don't want to live forever.
And people who want to live forever, that's scary to me. I do.
Have you seen all those tweets that are like, this is the definition of, I have a real job as a teenager. Like, why is my best friend like 52? Like, that's Willem Dafoe on the first step of the movie. He's the old one who's like, yeah, that's my girl. And she's like, yeah, I'm really right for him.
We went to Grand Cayman. Fun. That was fun.
I love the beach. I love the beach.
I wish them well. Okay, to actually close this out, what are your 2025 predictions? Any big culture trends you see on the horizon? Oh my gosh.
I can't recommend it enough.
I want to see what his vibe is.
i know i really love his videos and i really trust his opinion yeah so i'm sorry to hear that totally i mean he says nothing and everything at the same time well pat cat thank you so much for being here let me say this listeners we will be on seek treatment sometime soon undisclosed date but you don't want to miss it where can people follow you you can follow me at pat riggs p-a-t-r-e-e-g-s on instagram literally no one follows me i have literally no followers okay
Wow. What do you get all those cavities from? Eating sweets?
And it also won't work on desktop. I know. I look at a lot of TikToks on my desktop.
Basically, TikTok and ByteDance are saying that it's like unconstitutional and that it's a violation of First Amendment rights for it to be banned in the U.S. But the U.S. government says that a foreign entity, foreign agent app business cannot be like operating at this level in the U.S.
I don't know. I mean, like, I really don't know because it seemed like, at least what I just read from the Supreme Court argument last week, that the Supreme Court seemed like more in favor of banning it.
But then I think there's this other thing happening where Trump, who previously before was very pro-banning TikTok, now that he just won re-election based on an illogical TikTok success, now they're saying, like, maybe he's not going to want to enforce it. And he's like, they'll ban it, but then he will tell his attorney general not to enforce it.
And so they can, like, tacitly, like, still operate.
I didn't feel it at all.
There's like something about the way people talk on TikTok. They're like, wait, who are you? Like, I actually become like so boomer. Like, wait, where did you come from? Who are you? Where are you going?
And you know, I didn't feel it to the degree when she's like, I had a dream that I was at a wedding. Everyone was dead at the wedding. I was like singing hymns in my head. I said, uh, uh, no, no, no. I grew up in the church.
Where did you grow up? Did you do your homework? Like, that's kind of how I feel. And there's always, like, the most random stuff. Did you see the bride who, like, washed off her makeup the day, like, moments before she was, like, going to take first look photos? And the makeup artist, like, was, like, really, like, upset and, like, sad and, like, felt so betrayed by this.
It was a whole journey I went on yesterday.
But something that I don't like about TikTok, which might be interesting. I mean, it feels like kind of opposite of TikTok, like truly like in how, I don't know, but I don't like how it will sort of be like five more of the same things that you just saw. I don't like that. I wish it had more variety.
Cause then it's like, I watch one video and I'm like, oh gosh, now I'm going to get 20 more of those. Like I watched one like funny thing about a wedding and now I get like only wedding stuff. And I'm like, no, I'm sorry. Like I'm here for black people who own pets. I'm here for dogs named Jamarcus.
That's something I would say, actually. Yeah, we do hard things. Thank you.
You know who I'm going to miss the most because I opened up my phone to search in my photos to search his name, his handle, because I love him so much. Lavelle Dante. I think that's his name. But he's the one who said, we're at a game night. You put on a motherfucking Ouija board. Party's fucking over. Listen. He shows his cross tattoo. He's like, I'm the army of the Lord.
If you pull out a Ouija board, I'm singing the oldest hymn I know. There was a lamp. No, I love him. I love him.
We're going to lose some greats.
Have you seen that gay guy who's like, if I were a girl, my name would be like Olivia. And I'd be like having this boyfriend named Dylan. I'd be cheating on him. But like, of course, like he wouldn't care. But like I'd go through his phone all the time. Have you seen that guy?
But I think that's just, Instagram is like old. Every app starts with like black and non-white and like LGBTQIA plus creators. Yeah. Because we're the funniest. Say it. Ally. Talk about it, Mandina. See? TikTok. We're fucked. The last chapter of this is that some creators on TikTok are currently moving over to something called Lemon8, another app developed and owned by ByteDance.
Sorry. Oh, you're not a real lover girl, I hear. According to that, you're not a real lover girl. You hate weddings? For now. Ah, caught you. I'll be turned around. Anyway, this week we're talking about the Golden Globes and the biggest winner of the night, Tom Holland. And then we'll be talking about the TikTok ban. Is it happening? We don't know.
And there is this idea that maybe TikTok will be banned, but ByteDance will still be allowed to operate Lemon8. I don't know. I don't know what Lemon8 means. I keep getting notifications that I'm getting followed on Lemon8, and I don't know what that is.
At the end of the day, listen, ban TikTok if you must. But the way I feel is that like bring something else. Bring something new because it's not 2020. I'm not going to be too proud to learn to fucking dance. I'm going to do the sticky dance. I'm going to learn it. I'm going to go viral day one.
Yes, and I will. I'm not going to be too proud this time around. No, no, no, no. I'm going to be desperate. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be. And you know what? I laughed at every Nikki Glaser joke about Peacock until I realized I blew that shit up every night to watch Roni. Who do I think I am?
Earnesty begins here. And you know, I go to a lot of weddings, but I haven't been to the wedding. Zendaya and Tom Holland, please, begging. Love Roach. Love Roach if you're out there.
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We'll be joined by Kat and Pat from Seek Treatment to talk about New Year's resolutions and honestly a lot more.
Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
I'm ready to say it. The Golden Globes are back. Four years after the big public scandal, the publicist revolt that required the Golden Globes to be like kind of totally remade from the inside out. This was the best ceremony in a long time. Nikki Glaser was an amazing host.
I know, you're like, no, go for it with your chest. Let's hear it. Tell us about cavities, sweetheart. Let's hear it, Dr. Meredith Gray.
Yeah. I will say I was still a little bored, but. But you don't like theater. You don't like the lies about public speeches. You literally just shot me in the heart.
you i'm coming back from the grave to kill you i know that's what i'll do um okay so you loved yeah one to ten i had a really good time there's only one thing that i didn't like about the entire show which i saw i think vulture in a piece about this that now the golden globes not like they're kind of like being more serious they are in the tv categories at least like a carbon copy of the emmys and i'm i miss kind of the years when golden globes would be like oh here's something like waltz are in the jungle ever heard of it no
No, not at all, really. But I miss that kind of kooky quality. Yeah. But otherwise, I was like, okay, this is honestly, then I could not have gotten any better. Like, Nikki Glaser, amazing host. Loved. Perfect mix of being, like, cutting, but also, like, mischievous. Mm-hmm. Looked great, too. Amazing dress changes. Body on a thousand. Like, that's, I mean, women should host everything.
Like, that is just, what a glam, what a glam moment. You knew Nikki Glaser was going to tear if you watched FBoy Island. Ah! And listen, I was watching it with our friends and no one had watched it. I was like, that's my sister. Also, we have to say Nikki Glaser, new face. She got a nose job. You can say that. She did. She's not hiding it. No, I was like, oh my God, new face. Okay.
Well, she looks pretty.
I was like, I think she looked amazing. And I think the opening monologue was very funny. The audience cutaways, like you had Benny Blanco and Selena Gomez to look away from. You had Timothee Chalamet and Kylie Jenner. Kylie Jenner, did you see the tweet that was like, I love my like too much Adderall anxious queen. Like she seems like so cutely nervous at these events with Timothee.
Don't tell Club Chalamet, but I like them together. I think they're funny together. Did she tweet about him at all? Or seeing them together. Did you tweet about him at all? Okay. And this is how I know you're not checking on the holy texts. I'm not. Yes, she did. She found the one photo the entire night where Kylie was not at the table and just posted that.
It's like truly Timothy, big ass, empty chair next to him and then like Elle fanning. And that's the photo that she posted. Like, good night for Timothy. And then afterwards she tweeted, I think for Timothy to win an Oscar, he needs to go to these ceremonies with his family members. close friends or trusted industry peers. And it's like, so does everyone but his girlfriend? Yeah, precisely.
And did. I'm going to ask something controversial. Do you prefer like actors and actors, like two actors together? Yes. Or round table? Two actors together.
I think all, like, the roundtables maybe just have not been, like, booked very well in the last few years. Yeah. But, like, all of the really viral moments come from the roundtable, i.e. Minnie Driver shading Emmy Rossum. Yeah. Two white queens. Also, Kirsten Dunst being like, if you want to work with women, just fucking work with them. How many women do you work with? Cate Blanchett. Silence.
And I was like, we don't care, nor do we need to know this. I want to know like what publicist assistant had to like submit these and which ones they were like, okay, that's like, Actually, all of them are so random. Nothing was like too fun. Like nothing was like, okay, this is like not the time or the place. Right.
There were. There were a lot of like format changes this time that I was not so in favor of. The fun facts were kind of weird. The way that they would do like the find my friends thing like in the room as if it were like a little map, that I didn't care for. And then there was the presenter stage was like there was a camera like right there. Yeah. It was so close. And didn't someone call it out?
They were like, this is weird. I think it was Seth Rogen. Yeah. Yeah. It just looks – it made everyone look so unflattering. Yeah. And then of course when you have like one really tall person, one really short person, it was just like – it looked so imbalanced. Yeah. But yeah, the presenters, they were fine. Yeah. Yeah. I can't say anything bad. I mean, The Rock was there. I was like, ew.
And you know who else was there?
There's no- Close your eyes. You hear it? You do. I like Vin Diesel. My chronicles are British King.
I wasn't thinking about him recently.
Like, it does check. If you had to choose between him and The Rock, who would you choose? Oof. That you had to think about it so long is shocking.
Yeah, of course.
Oh, okay. Anyway, I have not stopped thinking about something that you said last week. And maybe on TikTok too. About a little- Sounds like me. Piece of cinema called Nosferatu. I've heard of it. First of all, let me say that I want to hold space for women who have crazy exes. That's never been me, but that's what Nosferatu is about.
I don't. He's never worn a suit that fits. They're all so badly tailored. God forbid a man show off his tight bod.
No, like your taste in men is so weird. No offense. Thank you so much. I'm different. No, in a bad way. I'm going to say in a bad way. Any favorite speeches of the night? Yes. Okay. Demi Moore's speech actually moved me in a way that I didn't expect.
Her speech was about how she had been in this business for like 40 years, had never ever won an award for acting before, that she was told that she was going to be a popcorn actress, that she was like not, you know, highbrow or like serious actor, and that winning this award for The Substance, which is obviously like a very meta commentary about like women, aging, the industry, etc.,
I thought it was beautiful. I didn't love her dress. I thought she's done better this season. But, like, I thought that was, like, such a beautiful moment. And that's the kind of thing that, like, only happens at an award show. Like, that doesn't happen really around it. Like, that kind of, like, career capstone emotion coming. I liked Zoe Saldana's speech. But I don't know.
The narrative that, like, she's overdue. I'm kind of like. For what? No shade. Now we've said it. Now we've said it. I like the Atlantis movie, though, that she did. Avatar? Avatar. Avatar. I do think a lot of the victory of her career is like money. Like she's in two of the most major franchises of all time. Yeah. Actually three if you count Pirates of the Caribbean. Classic.
She was in Dead Man's Chest. She was. Anyway, I also want to talk about more of Nikki Glaser's monologue because there were the jokes that she cut that she said on Howard Stern that were so funny. And let's name them. There were some that I was like, oh, I see why that was cut. Like, I'm too young to understand the would you kill Hitler joke. Like, would you go back in time and kill Hitler?
I'm like, you know, baby. But, okay, a few that I want to read. Quote, the only show where you can see the biggest stars in movies and television joined together with a common goal, getting out of here tonight before Dax Shepard asked them to do his podcast. That was good. And then my actual favorite. Say it. Glenn Powell's nominated tonight for Hitman.
Who would have thought you'd be only the second hottest Hitman in America? Yeah. Like, sorry, that's funny. That's funny.
I know. But then, okay, I was thinking, like, why would she cut that? Because I guess Howard Stern said that, like, oh, I didn't really get it because, like, Luigi's moment has passed, first of all. Never. But then someone in the newsletter chat was like, oh, probably because, like, there's so many pharmaceutical ads during the Golden Globes. Oh, there were? Yeah.
It was, like, so much Bagovi, so much Ozempic. Not even ironically.
Yes, yes. Oh, you'd love it. You'd love it. You know I like a talker.
And then it turns out Dr. Robbie goes through his locker and he was stealing medication. And it's like, okay, well, is she redeemed now? In my eyes, no. No. She was still annoying from the very beginning. Like she was right, but she was annoying about it. Absolutely. Many such cases.
I don't know and I don't care.
You know what he looks like? Who? Skinny Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the really dark hair. Yeah, I can see that. I don't really care for him. But I did like that he came back in the nick of time when he returned to the hospital. I love that. Yes.
Yeah, yeah. Just a little.
I need someone to kind of tell her about herself. It's a little annoying. Because she can be a little bit condescending in a way that is annoying.
Let's be for real. I think it's because like the medical staff, the doctors on the show have to like find resolutions quickly because like the patients are so chaotic. Not even chaotic, but just like have so much story, have so much like complication, which is what I like about the show that like the patients really do feel like pretty realized in a short amount of time.
I'm thinking about the child patients that are like, I was like really getting emotional about those patients. The pregnant black woman surrogate with her, the couple that she was, being a surrogate for as like her coworker at a school or something. And then I really loved the elderly black man who had like a lot of medical knowledge, but like no one really knew why.
And they thought, did he used to work at this hospital? But he drove a kind of like a makeshift ambulance during a time of segregation. Yeah. And I thought that was like so, I'm so happy that that story was like on TV. And I thought it was also like really wonderfully done in only like a few, in like a very short amount of time.
Yeah. Yeah. But a TV show has not made me so sad. And like the way that one like young girl wants to get an abortion and her mom is like so against it. And yet her aunt is like, no, that's my girl. I've got you. Like, how can we make this happen for you? Those kind of like moral conundrums, I think the show does pretty well. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I can't believe I'm watching a medical drama.
That's so unlike me.
Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I think that's like a really underappreciated like by me piece of the show because when they have the COVID flashbacks, I'm like, oh yeah. Right. Totally. But the drama just in every day of the ER, every day of the ER, every hour of the ER, I think that is like such a good conceit because it really does feel like, oh my gosh, like it can be anything at any one time.
It's like being on Twitter. It's like, who knows what's going to happen today? Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Wow. Okay. But I mean, I'm ready. I love this show. I'm like, I want four seasons immediately.
So be good at that. Bitch. No, I would not be.
I have a curious mind. I'm ready to learn.
Okay. We ask everyone who comes on the show a quick intro question and it is, are you a lover or a hater? How do you identify?
Yes, yes. Because when I think about you, I'm like, okay, Louis has an encyclopedic knowledge of pop. Yes. Of women and pop specifically. And that only comes from being a lover, I think. I agree. You have to love to like learn. For sure.
No, that is 100% true. Yeah. Okay, we want to go rapid fire.
Are you a lover or hater? Gaga edition.
Lover or hater of The Fame?
Yeah. You were really like... Yeah.
Do you do like the phony Negronis?
Girl, let me get a pen so I can take some notes.
Oh, yeah. Neither do I. I don't even know why I would ask about that. I know.
Well, I was with some of our friends and one of them ordered one at the bar and I was like, hmm, that's in like a little cute whatever bottle or whatever. Okay. Let me tell you about your niece, Remy.
Okay. Lover, hater, Chromatica.
I like it. Abracadabra is really an earworm. It's, like, in my head, like, you wouldn't believe. And I'm, again, I mean, my gaga knowledge is not the greatest, mostly because I went to Catholic school, and I find it all a little bit much.
Oh my God.
No, I loved Born This Way. I loved at my Zumba class that I went to in high school, we would listen to You and I as like our cool down stretch.
Oh, love. And then it wasn't really until A Star is Born, a little indie feature called A Star is Born that I locked in and I was like, oh, and we're far from the shallow now.
Whitney Lanithia Harris. She has been – talk about working my nerves – She is so funny. She has this one. Okay. So, you know, all dogs love like the lambies, the lamb chop toys. And Remy has one that I call her wicked lambie because it's a Halloween lambie that has a witch's hat on it. It's her Elphaba lambie.
No, of course. I was born drinking coffee sitting on a front porch gossiping about the neighbors. I was born to do that. That's actually my calling. I love that. So I want to quickly, can you give us some context into like the pre-Mayhem Gaga era? Because it was like she was doing the pharmaceutical stuff.
No, I'm happy to do that. Oh my God. I'm going to say HIPAA. She has the boyfriend who was like, we need you to lock in and get back in the studio and make pop music again. And then the third little piece of it is that she'd done... films.
She started doing like Stars Born stuff and then unfortunately was in like two of the most unfortunate forays into big budget filmmaking which was the House of Gucci and the Joker sequel.
Remember the meat dress?
And sometimes she like wakes up, comes out of the crate, has the lambie in her mouth already, jumps in the bed. And I'm like, oh, she's starting. Yeah. Like, she is starting.
Okay. Okay. I mean, it is, I think I read this in the Pitchfork Review. It's like she's reheating her nachos, but in a way that is like, actually they're still good. Like they're still, they're not fresh, but they're still tasty. Yes. You're going to eat these nachos. Yeah.
She really, like, she's already ready. And the way that she will try to, like, want me to play fetch with it, but then will, like, run away at the last minute. Like, her yabba-dabba-doo ass, her feet on the hardwood, like, scrambling, running. I'm like, oh my gosh, you're... You're so me. Like she is.
Which is another, I think not, I see what you're saying about like the truest stars should be like looking forward, but it is also like a talent. For sure. A lot of people cannot do that, Adele. Yeah. Honestly, T. No, like, no, sorry, did I lie?
Yeah, yeah. But Abracadabra, I don't know if I hear her inspire, but I'm like, oh, but I still love this.
Yes. I mean, plane, bus, train, another plane, another club.
Tell us favorite Mayhem songs, least favorite Mayhem songs.
Oh, yes. That's a good one.
I was like, wait, this needs to be a David Hedger movie right now.
Yes, she's persistent. Although I was with someone who was like, oh, you have like a little white dog, right? With like stuff around their eyes. I said, oh, you called me a monkey. That's what you just called me. So you want me dead. So you want me dead.
And which one? But wait, can I say, I was listening, and I was like, oh, I hear it. Like, it is, what is it called?
community of course it's her you know you know me girl be for real hunter was on stage for like sheer comic relief when we did our tailor so she was just like we needed someone to drag her my tailor ranking was i'll say it crazy it was but it was it was important that we had that i gotta say i think red was like my third to last and my stand by it okay but no when i was listening i was like okay with my like dj louie ears on i was like oh this is giving reputation it's
giving, like, call it what you want.
So tell us more.
No, yeah, it was bad. No, it was fine.
Okay, I hate to say it, but I loved that song.
She's two. No, now she's like really, Remy is at the age where she is Saoirse Ronan in the third act of Lady Bird when she's on her way to college and she's walking through the street. She gets like really drunk at that NYU dorm, has to go to the hospital, and then is like calling her mom being like, okay, mom, I love you. It's Christine. It's the name you gave me. It's a good one.
Shallow is on a feature. Featuring Bradley Cooper?
Oh my God.
And we know that. Women supporting women in my book. Louis, thank you so much for being here. This has been a real education. Oh my God. Okay. Now tell us, where can people follow you? Where can people follow Pop Pantheon?
I love this dynamic where like every few weeks, it's just time for me to talk about Housewives and for you to slightly like be disinterested, politely nod along, give me like maybe a little like golf clap of approval.
Girl, Atlanta, of course. Okay. Atlanta, hot Atlanta, dare I say. So Atlanta, Housewives. I've gone through a little bit of a reboot. It's kind of like when an NBA team was, like, in a rebuilding era for the sports fans in the room. So the cast, which used to be, like, such an anchor housewives, was Atlanta, with, like, Meany Leagues, with She By Sheree, with Kandi Burruss. With She by Trey.
Oh, Trey Whitfield, I guess. Now they have done like some like restructuring, added some younger, newer women. And I did watch two episodes so far and I like it. Yeah? I, you know, I ride for one woman and one woman only. My North Star, my Lisan Al-Ghaib, my Club Chalamet, NeNe Leakes. And in her absence, this'll do.
Well, she's been open to coming back. Oh. She has like a YouTube talk show. Oh, sorry, but many such cases. So the new cast is Portia Williams, who is like Returner, Drew Sidora, Shamia Morton, Britt Eadie, Kelly Farrell, and Angela Oakley, with Phaedra Parks joining as a wife, like a housewife later in the season, and Cynthia Bailey appears as a friend. And the anchor castmate is Shamia, who...
who first appeared on the show as a friend of Portia's, which is kind of like, you know, nice. Like she is, she's very like a Kandi Burress character. Okay. Kandi Burress housewife, where she is not really quick to anger, but will like get to the point quickly and will point out like when someone else is being absurd and is like a good kind of audience proxy. And she's also incredibly wealthy.
But Shamia has like, it's so nice to see despite having all of this money, like a house with like three elevators and like four closets and all of this stuff, she really does seem like so down to earth and relatable in a way that like, I don't know. I feel like sometimes the black housewives get a lot of flack for like being out of touch or something like that.
And like, she is so just like a regular girl who just happens to have a lot of money. And I don't know. I just find that like very winning from her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is like the NBA versus three cats and a pickleball trying to play basketball. I don't know. That's the best I can do.
I'm joking. Are you kidding? I did Monica Cino's three-on-three elementary school basketball day and I made one single basket and I'm proud of me. No, it's like, first of all, it's not even about age or money or anything. It's like the women on Atlanta are like ready to start drama, start storylines. Yeah. You know, just live their authentic, real lives.
Where on like the Roni reboot, it's so like talking around stuff. They don't film together enough. It's just night and day. And what else about it? Oh, yes. Okay. So in the season premiere, there's like a really funny moment where all women are like at Shamia's birthday. And Portia has found out that Drew Sidora, another woman on the show, has been sneaking around maybe with Portia's baby daddy.
Okay. And Portia is like, all of them are in this like same room, like same scene together. And Portia looks around. She's like, can I break the fourth wall? And a producer off camera, break it. And she's like, you know, I mean, it shook the table for me. People were like, it's underwhelming.
I was like, no, it wasn't because Portia's whole thing is she's like, I don't even care if you're sleeping with my baby daddy, like whatever, like we're so not together at all. But you want to film with him? You want him in your scenes? Oh, hell no. And thank God she stood on it too.
No, I was like, wait, this is so funny. And it's funny that like she breaks the fourth wall. And I saw like a lot of Bravo people being like, the drama was not even like good enough to break the fourth wall. But I think that's funny that she's like, there's so like regular workplace struggles of like, don't you dare fall with my ex-husband or with my like ex-man. That's so annoying of you.
What can I say? If you couldn't tell, I've had a little bit of me espresso. Put that shot down. I I feel like that Snoop Dogg video at the Lakers game. Oh my God. Wait, yeah. Oh, I thought you were from LA. This week, we are checking in, clocking in, locking in to The Pit, my new favorite TV show. And we'll be talking about The Real Housewives of Atlanta, the new reboot.
So a big part of this season's drama is that Kenya Moore, like, iconic, you know, not OG, but like, you know, pretty substantial, gone with the wind, fabulous, twirl city, whatever you want to call it. Kenya Moore has been fired from the season of Atlanta.
And we haven't gotten that far in the show yet, but it is like definitely a lot of bad blood between her and Bravo because she is on the show, but she doesn't even get confessionals. Even Cynthia Bailey gets a confessional and she's like not even a core cast member.
And so what happened was that as we were filming, Kenya showed revenge porn, basically, of one of the other cast members, Britt Eadie, and Bravo completely cut her out of the show. And so I think we're, like, about to see... Oh. By the time this episode comes out, like, we've either just seen her, like, or about to see exactly what went down from, like, all the other women's perspectives.
But I'm like, wow. Kenya is just... I mean, I think the Watch What Crappens guys were exactly right. She really is a good housewife when she's, like, locked in. She's so good at escalating something so small.
No, it is confirmed. She initially denied the accusation of revenge porn. But then she, on the Tamron Hall show, told Tamron Hall, hindsight is always 50-50. If I could do it all over again, I believe the photos were distasteful and I elevated the situation. So she did kind of admit just showing these like inappropriate photos. Okay. Okay.
And, you know, I mean, again, it's like nothing, nothing will be right in the world until NeNe Leakes has a peach again. Totally. Totally.
One thing about me is that I love walking past a hospital and thinking, I know exactly what's going on in there. Thanks to the pit. Don't let Hunter near ketamine.
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I have started, honestly, I don't even know why I started watching, a little show called The Pit.
Because I said, or because Sarah. No, Meg.
Oh, it is so good. Okay. Let me tell you the logline for people who are not pit-pilled, pitified already. Yes. Pitified. Okay. Quote, So every episode on this show is an hour in the workday of an emergency room in Pittsburgh starring Noah Weil as Dr. Rabinowitz or Dr. Robbie. Mm-hmm. So basically it is a little television program called ER. Right. But set in present day.
And let me tell you this, they do more ketamine on this show than a club in Bushwick. Like, oh my God, every possible medical malady, 30 cc's ketamine, please. Right.
Maybe so. Well, and we'll talk about that more later because I have questions. Let me say spoiler alert. If you haven't watched, like, you need to clock in, lock in. But, yeah, we're going to be spoiling some stuff.
I've never watched ER because I'm what? Young. Oh, I have watched a little bit of Grey's Anatomy when I was in middle school. And then I kind of around the time of when Sandra Oh left, I was like, oh, if Christina's gone, I'm gone. Like, that's my girl. Yeah. But it is funny having like really only watched a medical drama that's Grey's Anatomy.
When I'm watching The Pit, I'm like, so what, you guys aren't like fucking in the break room like every couple shifts? Like, that's so crazy to me. That's so you don't have any like really unusual boundaryless relationships with like your direct superior. What's going on here?
Oh God. I don't even want to know what that is actually. But wait, but first I have to tell you my favorite like meta part of this show is the like legal dispute between one of the creators of ER, their estate and this show. So one of the co-creators of ER who's dead, his estate alleged in a lawsuit that that The Pit was created as a sequel to ER without the permission of the estate and the heirs.
And the creators of The Pit said that it's not an ER reboot and that it's not as similar to ER as it is to like Grey's Anatomy or any other medical drama. But that is like so funny to me that it is so – I don't know. For that, I'm like – I guess I don't watch enough like medical dramas to really know what's the difference between like any medical drama and like this medical drama, you know? Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
No, no, no. I would like to see like a lawsuit that's like, wait, Dr. Robbie is actually so hot. Like House should be calling like that show. It's like you can't have a hot doctor without being like, hmm.
Yes, yes. That sounded weird. No, that was my man though. That was my man. I didn't play about him.
Juice, yeah. Juice. Let's say it.
That's so crazy.
The tight braid? Who's that?
Oh, yes, yes, yes. You know, she's an epi baby. Thank God. And no wonder I loved her. She's Bryan Cranston's daughter, I learned over the weekend. And let me tell you, doesn't make a difference to me. I'm like, no. Don't care, she's fab. She is amazing. She's the only, one of the few NEPA babies where I'm like, I ride for you regardless. Like, no Gracie Abrams, I love you. I love you up and down.
And let's talk about it. Talk about, don't talk about a B about it. So Dr. Robbie, he's both so like sweet, calm, kind, exceptionally patient, which as an impatient gal, I'm like, Ooh, I need to take a few notes. But he's also like the man you want to call in a crisis. Oh yes. I bet he can mount a TV too. I bet he's mounted a few TVs. Like he knows what to do.
He's so decisive. He's so like right in the nick of time. I love a man who has a sense of urgency. That is rare in our society. Let me say that. And a great nose. Great nose. Yeah, 100%. We know why. And I like the sound of his voice is so good too. He is the main character on the show. And he has, like, a team of attendings and interns. And then there is the nurse, the charge nurse.
A nurse with a bob who will smoke outside. Girl. Stronger than the troops.
Okay. Favorite characters. The charge nurse, that young blonde intern that we talked about. I think she is just so understanding and understanding in a way that's not like patronizing, you know, like genuinely wants to know people's struggles and help them without, you know, being a little bit finger waggy, which I like. Yeah.
I also like the doctor with those bad bangs, kind of dry, giving dry ends, but with the ankle monitor, with the hot ex-husband. Yes, yes, yeah. And the son named Harrison. I love her because, again, she is always there in the nick of time and a really good teacher.
I think The Pit is kind of like a romance about what it means to actually want to teach and share information in a way that is kind of lovely to me. Yeah. Like that they have these like teacher student relationships on the show. I mean, it happens between the blonde doctor and the man with the butt chin and the young like prodigy doctor and the ankle monitor doctor girl.
I don't know anyone's name.
Jesus. What the fuck? Okay. And let's see. Do I have any other favorites? Oh, I love the old woman in the wheelchair, Myrna, that runs around catcalling Dr. Robbie. Oh, and you know who else I love? Who is the other doctor that's like the Dr. Robbie equivalent?
No, no, no, no. Oh, wait.
No, I mean, she's fine. But is it Dr. Adams is his name?
No, no, no, no, no.
Dr. Abbott. The sexy one. The sexy one who used to be in the military or something. And he's like, don't talk to me. I love a mean, surly individual. I feel very seen.
The bottle is like sparkling, right? It's like fizzy. Kind, no.
Well, not in the room with you because aren't you in LA?
Oh, yeah.
No, I really can't stand her. I saw like some headline that's like, oh, she's been redeemed because she alleges against spoiler alert. Yeah. She alleges that one of the attendings, Dr. or no, one of the residents. Yeah. I think Dr. Langdon has been like secretly like stealing medication and no one really believes her. And like she's kind of like, you know, ostracized for saying it.
Because it's not like, oh my gosh, that woman, Christine, something who like shot herself like live on air. Like there's a documentary made about that. Oh my God, yes. It wasn't like that. Like nothing ever arose to the level of like actual shock where I'm like, oh, we have to see it from this. This is like the most interesting part of the story that like they're meeting on this dating show.
No, it was like the movie also seemed to continue to like pull back to the actual like crimes, like the like murders in a way that I was like, so wait, it seems like they just, Anna Kendrick had to be the center of this movie to get it made because- All of the most exciting action exists outside of her story completely. I couldn't agree more.
Yeah, totally. Totally. No, it was really, really beautiful. Because I hadn't been into the public library since I left, since I escaped with my life narrowly in the city of Boston.
you know 15 second clip and I didn't need it from this hour and a half movie yeah I mean the only effective scene that like I was like oh this feels perfectly tense like very well directed and also we're like using the space in a way that feels like I don't know intentional at all was that scene when she's like walking through the parking lot and he's kind of trailing behind her and like Yeah.
He knows that she knows that he's weird, but she doesn't know exactly how or why. She just, like, gets a weird vibe. And she's walking across this parking lot and, like, he's, you know, kind of, like, watching her, following her. And you're just, like, feeling, like, her anxiety about that. Yeah. Like, every scene should have felt like that.
And yet so much of it just feels like I'm watching, like, I don't even know what. Like, uh... kind of like how to make a TV show. And the other thing too, is that the black woman who feels kind of like dropped in this whole, talk about TikTok face. Like she's beautiful, but she, it was like not giving anything. It was like, she's dropped in this place.
And it was so stunning and beautiful at night, like with like the lights all done up and stuff. And then also the cathedral was really beautiful. And the like dinner reception was in like the main library. So we were like at the tables.
She recognizes that like this guy is the killer who like killed her friend. And she's trying to talk to like anyone who works at the show. Everyone's like kind of almost comically like slamming a door in her face or like ignoring her. Yeah. And it's like, so then wait, nothing comes of that either? It's just like, what is the purpose of presenting the story in this way?
Other than that, we're keeping a movie star, you know, at the center. Nothing added up.
It's the 1970s. She would have had an afro. I can't. Thank you. She would not have had this like Tyra Banks, like fucking bust down, blow out. No. Yes. Yes. Okay. Let me say this.
Yeah. That's like her biggest, her number one ick. I remember watching movies, like a George Clooney movie with my mom and she said, look at his nails, clean.
This whole podcast is like a money laundering scheme for you to get to expense that one time you rented Trolls for $35. No, my sister, that's on you. Mid-pandemic. Accountability. You need to own that. That's on you. Okay. Well, I like Anna Kendrick. I think she's very effective. I like her like in certain roles. I think she's very good and up in the air. A George Clooney movie. Pitch perfect.
Pitch perfect. I don't know. That's like kind of a black hole in my memory. Tap back in. Not two and three, but just... Oh, the cup song.
Yeah. The one like right off Copley. Nice. Gorgeous. Wow. And let me tell you, I walked down Newbury Street and I can only think of it as that time you texted me like six years ago. What's that stupid little street we used to walk down? Yeah.
Oh, Lord have mercy. Okay, I do want to say that I think this is good, that she said that she donated her fee from directing to two domestic violence victims' charities. Oh, okay. Because she would have felt gross making money from it, which I was like, okay, does that make the movie good or acceptable? No. Not particularly, but, you know, good for her. That was nice. Yeah, I stand with her.
I'm with her on that only. The fact that you're with her for everything else, and this is like the 15th reason on the list, is shocking, but I'll give it to you. Well, thanks.
Let me say that. Oh, Christ.
Peyton, I returned to the place where we met. The good old city. I went back to a little small town called Boston. And let me tell you, it hasn't changed. Yeah. Nothing in Boston ever does. I was in Boston for a wedding. Actually, one of the more beautiful weddings I've ever been to. It was at the public library. Cute. It was a Catholic wedding. It was full cathedral, really stunning.
Well, they used that through the whole movie. Through the whole movie, they used that font.
That's what it reminded me of. But I agree. I love a Magnus Allian and I have for a long time. And so I just kind of felt like going in, oh, I know most of this. Like I actually profiled her for New York Magazine like the week her mom passed away. Oh. And that was like, you know, obviously really like days before we had just like hung out for a couple hours. Yeah.
No, I walked down Newbury Street, honestly wanting to be seen. Would you believe? I walked around Boston. Zendaya had just started shooting there. I was not mistaken for her, not even once. Not even one single time. And I walked around.
So I knew a lot of like the early stuff, but still like the kind of just devastation of online abuse and bullying and just fucking Joe Budden every other scene, calling her a liar and calling her like a whore basically, was just so hard to watch. And I cannot imagine living through that.
And this documentary I think showed in real time what the experience of that was like beyond just like, yeah, it was really hard, but just – The scenes of her in her car alone, just looking at the internet and feeling like attacked every single moment, like devastating to watch.
But I think you could see, though, that she had so few people working on her team because she had such a hard time trusting people because her best friend's assistant had, you know, totally done a 180 and really blamed her for a shooting that she had nothing to do with other than being the victim.
like the least like most inconspicuous fucking leo dicaprio like hat with the little um sunglasses with probably my sunglasses on of course move on well walking around like oh no one look at me no one look begging to be seen not once i didn't get challenger's allegation you said what are these white people good for they're not confusing me with another black woman damn it i said it's boston they're not that many of us walking around here not on newbury street
I think that's like the thing that really struck me is like just the absolute like loneliness, isolation after her mother dies. Yeah. Where you're like, oh, of course she's partying. She's like at this point I think maybe 23, 24. Yeah. Like when her mom passes away. Yeah.
Like no one surrounding her is like, you know, not even like checking on her, but like checking her from, okay, maybe let's not. Like maybe we're working too much. Maybe we're drinking too much. Maybe we're doing all of these things like overindulging in a way that I'm like, oh my gosh.
And the part of the documentary that like actually made me so emotional is when like after the shooting, you know, after people on the internet are attacking her, all of this stuff and she's like alone, I think either in her bedroom or in the car. And she's like, I would not have even known any of these people had my mom not died.
Like, I would not have even been – I'm not even in this position. I would not have known Tori or whatever the friend's name. I would not have been around them if my mom was still here because I would have had someone.
And, like, the lack of any kind of support system or, like, you know, someone looking out for her or anything like that was just in such a stark contrast to, like, what it was like when her mom was alive and she had someone to be like, is this fine? Even her mom, like, taking these, like, ho picks of her. I was like, wait, I love this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, queen. She's just like Alicia. Yeah.
I'm telling her, like, you need to wrap that better. You can do that differently. Like all of that. I was like, oh, I was so. Yeah. Struck by that.
Well, just to give context, though, that she you're talking about when she lied to the police and said that she'd stepped on glass. Yeah. Because it was like during summer 2020. Yeah. Yeah. And then also when she later lied to Gayle King and said that she had never had sex with Tory Lanez.
hurting her yeah like the backlash of that made me so angry that no one could fathom that idea it pissed me off heavy yeah exactly because i think it's like it seems like the most obvious thing in the world especially in like the intense moment late at night or early in the morning whatever like everyone's kind of drinking the cops are there it's like
Wouldn't your first thought be to protect my friends or close ranks to an aggressive situation that could happen if the cops really get involved?
That seems so normal to me, and yet that was unthinkable to so many men with microphones, and that should be legal, podcasters. No, I don't think so. Yeah. And then I think with the Gayle King thing, I understand why Gayle asked. Right. I feel like it was, like, a relevant question. But I also understand that it was coming from a place of, like, let's, like, clarify this or whatever.
But I can totally see why you would be embarrassed. But you'd be embarrassed and ashamed. And also, like, immediately if you say, yes, I had sex with him, then people are like, oh, it's just, like, a relationship problem. Like, it just blew up a person, whatever. Yeah. And it's like people make up their own narrative about what exactly went on and her wanting to kind of protect that information.
Megan wanting to do that. Yeah. Also totally understandable. Makes sense.
Yeah, it was nice to be back. I walked past the liquor store where I got my ID, my fake ID taken, the second or third day of freshman orientation. Of course, Rachel was involved in that adventure. Of course.
And she does arrive at that answer later. Like, she does say, what does us sleeping together, however many times, have anything to do with the fact that he shot me and then lied about it and then now is, like, blaming me for this?
Which I think is good. But yeah, it is kind of those things that I'm like, I can really see it from both sides. And I'm also sure that just in the rawness of that moment, even Megan herself saying, I wanted to move paths and forget it even happened. But it's because Tori continued to like lie and like do the music video thing and then the baby gets involved. God forbid.
And a man wearing an adult diaper gets involved. Then it becomes, you know, now I have to stand up for myself.
What was also so crazy about that is that like the people coming to support Megan are like, you know, some other women. A lot of people were white.
quietly supporting her like not really saying anything at all but the people the men supporting tori lanes i was like you're supporting this man who you didn't even know about like you didn't even talk to talk about listen to even three months ago yeah that's what's so crazy and then oh my god we have to talk about it they played kind of like a montage of like men supporting tori lanes like there's a drake dis to baby meek mill and then it's like cut to diddy diddy talking to him like in some kind of instagram live i was like oh if birds of a feather don't flock together girl i
Come on, Billie Eilish. That was not Billie Eilish. That was my grandmother.
And I need you to say when and where. Okay, I was giving Andrew a campus tour of the place that we met, which I'm no longer fucking claiming. Not that I ever did, really, college. But we passed by the CVS at the corner of Boylston and Tremont, where I purchased Plan B for you. Yes.
Yeah, no, I mean, it kind of reminds me too of when Miss Maggie Rogers, her second release was like notes from the archive from her NYU days. I was like, my sister, you've had one excellent album, but let's pull it together. Put the cat bat in the bag and then look how the next two did.
But I do think, yeah, since it's like anniversary too early when it's like, but you haven't like built a career yet, really. Like I remember so too, like when Mariah Carey released an album of like number ones and she was like, it's not a Greatest Hits album. It's just an album of songs that went number one. Because listen, I have both.
But like that kind of thing where it's like – We could do both if we wanted. Yes. That kind of thing where it's like, oh, we should be like working towards something before we just like make a document of ourselves too early in our career, too early in the process.
And I think that also, like you said, kind of coincides with a lot of artists having just the power to make their own documentaries or like executive produce their own documentaries like Billie Eilish and Selena Gomez where I'm like – I wish that we had that level of remove where it's like someone actually observing you over a long period of time. Like the actual Madonna truth or dare.
I don't know if she produced that. But like a real sense of vulnerability that's not just feel so choreographed and like, yeah, so self-produced. Yeah.
Yes. The music stuff was less convincing of its like need to be in this documentary. But I think the real thing, which I guess I kind of was expecting, is that like she has had so many people tell her what happened to her and like what happened that night in so many different ways. That what if she just has one documentary that's like, this is what happened.
This is the last thing I need to say about it. Like one final document from herself. And that's why I was like, OK, if this were anyone else, you know, who was making documentary this early in their career, I'd be like less interested. But because of just the height. Yeah.
of the backlash and discussion all this about the Tory Lanez shooting I was like I can give it to her yeah yeah yeah I agree well listen let me go back and listen to Big Ol' Freak another million times because that oh my god that was the beginning of our love that was what a perfect song and let me go ahead and say fuck Tory Lanez it is and will always be fuck Tory Lanez and Drake and his BBL so let's get that on the record
either on or shortly after Marathon Monday one year, maybe like our senior year.
Oh, my God. Just an extremely complicated handhold. I'm sorry. What is more queer? I might have to take back my ally card. That is too crazy. I'm sorry. It's too crazy.
Especially love. I'll give you that. OK, so Tom Holland has, I guess, a non-alcoholic beer brand and Zendaya went just fitted the fuck down to this event. I love how he dresses like the Bieber. It's not like the Bieber, Hailey Bieber thing where he dresses like I would say a at risk middle school boy who. always has his homework crumpled in his pocket. And she dresses like a model.
But no, Tom Holland dresses like, I don't know, like a startup guy, like very unassuming outfits. And then she's dressed in like, what was it? A leather dress by Louis Vuitton, like bellissima. But they're walking into like the venue and this paparazzi is like getting like too aggressive. And Tom is like pushing him out of the way. I was like, oh my God, that's my king.
Nothing to do with the marathon. It was just like, why am I outside of my house this close to the marathon where everyone's running up and down these streets?
Short men are taking it today. That's my short king. And then later, another woman, like Zendaya, signs some autographs and like accidentally takes this woman's pen. And she's like, my pen, my pen, Zendaya, my pen. And this other guy is like, the marker. It's so funny. It's so funny.
No, I think that's correct. I think that's correct.
No, I know. Like, you can tell he's, like, loves Laurel Piana down. Like, he's wearing stuff that's, like, so nice, but, like, very, like, I mean, if I were white and 24, I'd call it, like, quiet luxury. He wears stuff that's, like, very nice, like, tailored, but not, like, he's not, like, pulling a big fit, which I can respect. Yeah.
Because only one person can pull off another dress in a relationship, according to me. According to you. Yeah.
And short men were down at the half. Thinking of Chance the Rapper. How tall is he? He might be tall though. I don't know. He might be tall.
You should know that. That's your culture. I don't think we have his stats. I don't know if we know how tall he was, but we do know he was black. We know that.
Speaking of Spider-Man, Bryce, I also saw a fan cam of like Tom Holland, like, you know, just like kind of like very politely curving every woman on the set of Spider-Man who would like try to flirt with him. Like Laura Harrier, like someone else too. And he was just like, oh, like, like pat on the head, like, oh, we're friends, but that's not my woman. She's over there.
No, he doesn't. He doesn't play about her. I love it. No, as he shouldn't. Okay, but then also there was some interview that he did where someone asked him what's the last thing he Googled and he said, well, Zendaya. Just to check up or? Sexy to me. Sexy to me. Well, why? Why?
because just to see the updates not to see the updates maybe he forgot her birthday maybe he brought like what you know what her sign was maybe he forgot how tall she was that would be the best thing about dating a celebrity whatever you oh my god i forget that robert pattinson is allergic to something like i can just google it and then i'd know it would be so easy yeah well that man eats tuna on pasta straight out of the can so he's not allergic to anything but except for good clean living
I don't think Andrew would let us view that for Halloween. Are you kidding me? My ego would go to the stratosphere. It would go to the moon and back. Do you want to see the version of me that's Auburn hair to actually get some second person day? No. For everyone's safety, no. That's true, actually. I don't need to see that.
It's for the best. I will say that God did not make me taller because, oh my God, I would not beat this in day allegations. I'd be too powerful.
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Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. With the power of God, we can intercede. OK, saints, it's not over yet. It's not over yet.
I'm the, I am the Van Zandt. I said, not on my watch. Okay, not on my watch. Hunter's like, it's going to be my problem. I had my little long chomp and we went to CVS. I said, come on, get in.
Yeah. And what were you doing other than not answering a listener request?
Lord have mercy. Well, nothing good. I will keep you in my thoughts. Oh, no, I've got a bone to pick with you. Why? Because you made me watch that Anna Kendrick movie, Woman of the Hour. Woman of the Sour Puss, which is what I was.
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I lost my octave buddy night one. And I was like, oh my God, my octave buddy would go crazy on these stained glass windows in this cathedral. So like, let's fast forward to like wedding day. I'm at the reception. The bride is like, listen, I love, let me say this. I love you and Peyton. You guys are so raunchy. It's so fun. I can't get enough. Yeah. Taste.
So let me just say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions?
I only have one special and perfect time on this earth, and I unfortunately wasted about an hour and a half of it watching the new movie directed by and starring Anna Kendrick, showing on Netflix, Woman of the Hour. And it's that Woman of the Hour right there, Peyton Dix, who made me watch it. Spoiler alert for this movie. We will be going into depth about what happens.
Yeah. Just go ahead and do that, honestly, already. Whether you've seen it or not, whether you plan to or not. Okay. Why don't you tell us what this movie is about?
And then she says, but what's Peyton's dating life like? I never hear about that. I said, I was gagged. I said, let me, I'll deliver the message.
Girl, who told you to watch? I've never heard anyone talk about this movie in a positive way. So I was shocked that you'd heard some good gossip about it. Yes, that it was good.
I don't know. The issue that I had with this is that like from the very beginning, we're seeing these stories as like two kind of opposite track stories of like how the serial killer finds his like young, you know, women, single women victims and also like Anna Kendrick's like struggling acting career in the 1970s. And it's like, oh my gosh, like how are they going to intersect?
And the time they do on this fucking dating show, it's like this is not intersecting enough. Like they have maybe exchanged like four lines to one another directly. Yeah. And then what I also didn't like is that Anna Kendrick's character in this is like a kind of down on her luck, aspiring actress. But she's like, she's too smart to be an actress. And so everyone's like play dumb or whatever.
And then halfway through the taping of this TV show, she's like, okay, I'm going to put on my like lingua franca, like white women cosplay little thing and like kind of talk circles around these boys. And her goal is to seem like I'm not going to dumb myself down for like the patriarchy and all this. Right. But she just comes across as like really arrogant and like confusing.
And it's just so unclear what the end goal is. Like, why are you trying to like prove that you went to Columbia on television? Yeah. Yeah.
Because the other two men are kind of like chauvinistic, very kind of talking down to women, like, you know, kind of airhead. Listen, I love a dumb jock, but he's the only one who's like, oh, a woman belongs wherever she wants to live. Like, you know, not so like women get in the kitchen. Yeah. But that contrast, I think you're right.
It was just like not stark enough in a way that I was like, but wait, he's not charming. Yeah. And he's just kind of saying all the right things. But like, what does that do? I'm sorry. I'd rather him be hot and fucking stupid. Yeah. Right. I said, you should have gone with number one, number two.
It's funny that the 70s, like the time period stuff stuck out to you because earlier that morning that I watched this was on Saturday. I rewatched the movie Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, the Brent Scorsese movie with Ellen Burson. One of my favorite movies of all time set in the 70s. And everything about that movie is Made this one just look like weird cosplay.
I was like, Ryan Murphy would even do a better job like presenting the 70s than this. Like there's like no effort. It's like, okay, so you have some classic cars and like maybe a little like mod cloth ass little dress. Like that's not the 70s. And nothing about this feels like authentic.
It all feels like why not just, I don't know, take the same story I said in present day if like the budget was obviously like such a constraint of like making something feel like period effective, period appropriate. Yeah. But I guess I kept coming back to like, how is this the perspective that we're getting of this story?
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No.
If you're a Bravo novice, I'm a Bravo baby. But we're here to learn. We're here to learn. This is why we're here.
Hi. Hey.
Thanks for having us.
Thank you for educating the youth because I know nothing. I am a toddler in the Bravo world. So just know that as we get into this conversation. Okay.
I started actually with, I think Potomac was my first venture. And then I got bullied, harassed and manipulated into, but thank God, New York. So we're there now. I started Salt Lake a little bit, but we'll get into this more. Yeah. Okay. First thing I want to ask you guys, are you a lover or a hater?
Lover.
It's Hunter. She's in the room with us right now. Okay. Quick little rapid fire of some of our favorite girls.
Ooh, that's, yeah, she's a yin and a yang because something wonderful about Bethany, she is like a raw, open, festering wound, which is like disgusting. You don't want to look at it. You don't want to see it. You're like, please go away. Please get that treated. But at the same time, you have to like, just be so impressed with her willingness just to let that wound be out in the air. And like,
When she goes on to Bravo and she is on these shows, she is really compelling TV. I mean, she really has a talent. But then you also are like, do I want to support this? And it's a big vacillation.
Lover, hater, Ramona Singer.
Exactly.
Yeah, if you're fun, we can take it. Exactly. With Ramona, Ramona's terrible. And I always go through that. When people ask me, do you miss Ramona? I go through the good side of me says, well, we shouldn't be giving platforms to terrible people because she's awful and we shouldn't be doing that. But then I'm always like, but she made such good TV. There was something so good.
And the interactions with her and the rest of the cast was actually so genuine and real. And watching the WAN just shut Ramona down over and over again is just so funny.
That was so Kim Kardashian of you. Nobody wants to work anymore.
I'm a little bit more on solidly love with Kenya. I don't think I have really hate for her. I think that she's a villain, but unlike Bethany or Ramona, where I'm like, oh, they're such terrible people that I'm like, oh. But at the same time, I want to watch them with Kenya. I think I just sort of purely want to watch her. I agree with Ronnie.
She did kind of check out over her last few seasons, which I blame – on Mark and that divorce, because I think she was on like good, goody two shoes behavior for like custody. And I think she was drained by all of that. But she is so effortless as being a villain when she is clocked in. And, you know, I've already watched the first episode of the new season, and I'm not giving anything away.
But like, it's just so effortless how she can just come in and just be so shady. So I am really, I love Kenya. Yeah.
But she can also like inject tension in a totally benign moment. And that's what's so amazing. Like she can just make like, hey, I brought you a coffee. That could be the source of like a feud because she just knows how to start it up.
Yes. And to close this out, actually, are you a lover or hater of Karen Huger?
You both said that in unison too. Oh my God.
Thank you.
Let's talk about a snub.
My toxic trait, my first thought, that's going to do numbers on Instagram. What do you mean?
Yeah, there's a few people that deserve that.
Oh, you know, DUIs are like fairly – like DUIs in life are terrible. DUIs on Real Housewives are just kind of like par for the course. They just sort of happen. And what I love about a Real Housewives DUI is that they're always –
really crazy like you have shannon mador who like drove her car into a into a building and we saw we saw like the keystone cops video of that and then pretended she was just walking her dog which was epic wait she kind of ate that Yeah, you have Karen Huger with this whole situation. You have Countess Luanne Dillis who did not get a DUI, but she was wasted and got arrested.
And she slipped out of her handcuffs and told the police officers, I'm going to kill you all. How does that even happen?
That's going to go so hard in the carousel when you swipe and you see the world.
Yes, over the weekend, Tilda Swinton introduced her. Academy Award winner Tilda Swinton skipped the Oscars. I don't know if she was invited, but I'm going to say that she was invited and she skipped it to introduce Luann.
Money can't buy you class. That is power. That's real power.
Yeah.
Okay, I have to ask, across all the franchises, who is like goat housewives for you?
Luann is mine.
Wow.
Luann, I've said it a million times before. For A, the things we just talked about, she slipped out of handcuffs, which is kind of like no housewife has done that. But also she started off as a countess and she was all about like manners and class and etiquette and being prim and proper. And the next thing you know, she's like fucking a pirate, which also no one has done.
And then she goes to jail. She has a whirlwind wedding. She goes to jail. She comes back as a cabaret star. Now she's got Tilda Swinton opening for her. The chapters in Luanne's book just keep on going in such strange directions that I just don't think anyone compares.
Wow. Oh no, Hunter's legitimately, if you're just listening in and not visually tuning in, which is fine. Hunter, there are real tears forming in Hunter's eyes, which some of us didn't know was physically possible, but she has the capability.
Brandy is, yeah, it's weird because I don't think of Brandy as being a beta, but she's not an alpha. She's just like, she's in a different alphabet that just sort of fell into this situation.
God, I love women. That's so funny to hear. I'm season four or five of Housewives of New York. And so to me, hearing all this about Luann, it sounds shh.
The only thing that I don't like about it right now is I'm like, oh, she's such a bitch. She's so judgy. And so like, you know, holier than thou. But this is, let me get into this Luann because that sounds like my sister. Yeah.
Oh, she's the worst. Yeah. She's very judgy. But by the way, that's a feature, not a flaw for me. Just so you know, that's a feature, not a flaw.
Okay. All right. Okay. So we have a toxic trio here. Okay.
But the other kind of crying, Hunter.
Yeah. You have to be real. But what was great about Luann is that when she joined the show, that was her life. She was a countess. She was in this like – she's married to this guy whose family built the Panama Canal or was like part of that. So she had – that was her life and that was how she acted. And then it all went away by season two. And then it starts to crumble away.
And then you're going to see her like realize that she has a second chance at it with Tom D'Agostino. And it's such like a whatever happened to Baby Jane version of like the original that And it's just like – it just crumbles and crumbles and crumbles. And honestly, if you really want the full context, I highly recommend trying to find this one show that Bravo did.
Come on. Please, God, you need to finish that damn book. You need to finish Emotionally... Damn it, I already must have. Adult children of emotionally immature parents. Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah, yeah. Well, I have a wholesome update. Well, actually, you know what that reminded me of? Because I was like, what is a version of that?
I think Bravo was going to do kind of like Behind the Music or Ichu Hollywood Story for their housewives. Yeah. And so they did a one-hour episode that was focused on the life and times of Luann from before she was a real housewife. And she was the only one they ever did it for. And her whole backstory is just so perfect. It just adds more to it. She has a family. She's from Connecticut.
She was a nurse. And then she wound up going to Italy and became a game show host. Yeah. And then she met her husband and they were living in Switzerland and she got in a car accident where she drove off a cliff. Like it just gets crazier and crazier. And she got crabs from a guy on a plane that she sat next to. This is all in the show.
You can get – Oh, my God.
I think it's honestly like, you know, I think Bravo, you know, just everything I just said about Ramona Singer, how like, okay, we don't want to give terrible people a platform. That was like a really strong sentiment in pop culture around 2021, etc. And that's awesome.
Right when, like, Roni had this, like, disastrous season, which I actually am going to contend that, like, it was a weaker season for them. I don't think it was a full-on disaster. It still had many wild and crazy moments. But it was enough that Bravo said, okay, we have to change this because we're not going to support this anymore.
Well... Me and my friend, Evan Nicole Brown, we always have to use our government name. We're both Libra moons. So know that like when we meet people, we like have 10 minutes of an interaction. We immediately will text the other one being like, wait, not me, just meeting like my husband or wife.
And so I think they attempted to be like, we're going to give like quote unquote good people platforms. And like these are going to be instead of like the people that are tone deaf from like the Upper East Side, we're going to give like some cool people that you just want to go out and have a martini with. And it turns out we don't want to see that on TV.
We want to see wild and awful problematic people from the Upper East Side, it turns out.
I've done most of Potomac, half of Atlanta, and now in Tironi. I feel like I'm a polyglot, the way I can speak these different languages.
Well, Vanderpump Rules, the benefit of going into it is that it actually has a rich lore. Like when you're 10 seasons in and then you look back and you realize that you know so much about this group of people and their intertwined relationships, it's really special. However, there's no ticking clock on that because the new season isn't coming anytime soon.
So I think you would be better served while you have some downtime in between its seasons. I think you should go to Salt Lake City. Oh.
Find your way to Utah. Find your way to Utah.
When the next season comes on, I think you want to be ready for it.
Because we did love that mom talk show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And we went to Emerson College, so listen, we get it.
And then we'll like ask the other one to screenshot it to be like, for the moment, for like when this actually pans out. For the carousel. Guess what? It doesn't pan out, by the way. But like, it's just like, that's our version of this, but yours is actualized and ours is like, damn girl, time to crack up the artist's way. Really? It's different.
It's the only Real Housewives where an episode was interrupted by Homeland Security storming in.
Happens to the best of us. Yeah. She didn't slip out of those handcuffs.
That's great. Seasons, especially seasons two, four, and five are exemplary. And then also if you are sort of into something that I feel like is also excellent, but sort of doesn't get the same amount of attention and press as Salt Lake City these days, but Real Housewives of Miami is pretty like outstanding. How does it work? Yeah.
The first season is like a little sort of shaky because it was supposed to be a different show. So they kind of were shaken into a different mold. But then starting in season two, season two is one of the best seasons of all time of any Real Housewives. Season three is like okay. And then it goes on like I think an eight-year pause. And it comes back.
And ever since it came back, it has been so on fire. And Salt Lake City has taken up so much of the space and the other franchises. But Miami is – Like, wildly entertaining.
This is an after school special for problematic people. Thank you so much for coming on and educating us.
Yes.
Where can people follow you?
Watch where crap ends dot com is where you can find all our links to like tickets for if you want to come see us. We're going all over North America, as you mentioned at the top of the show. And on Instagram, we're at watch where crap ends. And I'm at Ben Mandelker and Ronnie's at Ronnie Karam on all social media.
You know, there needs to be a segment called things Peyton won't press play on, but Hunter always will.
Oh gosh.
No, Evan literally will, like, circle back to the text and be like, never mind, by the way. The text from, like, months ago. But my actual wholesome update is that I have my last Spanish class today.
What did you take in high school? French. Spanish. Really?
I know you're lying. I probably won't. I know you're lying. But we'll check in again soon. I'll let you get a few episodes in and then you can try to pitch me back.
Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
Season two.
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The one thing I did in high school, this felt like a much more helpful and immersive class. And also, shout out to some of the recommendations and podcasts and things that my teacher gave me. Love her. But more so, in high school, the only thing I remember is doing... Oh, God.
What do you mean? It depends on who you ask. Hold my hand with me. It's okay. Come on. Give me your hand. It's okay to be straight. I think we need to normalize heterosexual culture.
Well, it was me and Sienna East. Shout out to her. Who was that? It was my friend in high school.
Not a nepo baby, just a regular girl. Her parents were teachers at a university. You're like, they're teachers at the Dead Poets Society. Shut up. But we did a Spanish version of Twilight.
Yeah. No, I was playing all the characters. I was kind of really committed.
Oh, but they also talk about it on the show. Oh, I haven't seen that clip. I haven't seen that clip. Twihards.
They should almost come over here.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat. But we're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. Safe space. To talk shit. But of course. From Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This.
We actually don't.
It's time to check on our pop girls, our pop princesses.
Because there's always there's always the Gaga. There's always a Beyonce. There's like some evergreen girlies. But then there are some up and comers.
I feel like I kind of think about this as like our white boy of the week, but like our pop sisters of the semester.
White boy of all time.
I wonder how it got into his ether because I did see her during the Oscars on a – what was it? Neutrogena commercial.
That was a biblical name that you pulled out there. I just like, there's something to talk about this pipeline of like TikTok star and this very now realistic dream of becoming more of a household name. And I'm still so gagged that your father knows who Tate, the words, what Tate McRae means. I'll show you the text. Oh my God. It could be like a slur in some countries, but Tate McRae here.
She's Canadian. That's not a slur in Canada. That's just a girl with a hockey boyfriend. That's a nice girl. But I just, one, at first I wasn't into it. When she dropped It's Okay, I'm Okay, she was just like working too hard for it. But then the working hard for it is actually what really sold me into her. Yeah. She really wants this.
She really wants to be famous and she wants to be a good enough singer. Dancer first, singer second.
Shut up. But there's something like, I don't think that anyone's actually like pinning these girls against each other yet. But there is the Addison Rae of it all. And then there's a Tate McRae of it all. And there's something for some reason that everyone, I've only heard great things about Addison. Let me start there. I've only heard from any friend that has met her.
You've just been having a long sleepover, huh?
She's a Poppy Juice frequenter, which we love. Love a like straight girl being like, just me and my gay boys, like dancing the night away. Addison Rae, I think, has this sense that people think that it's like, oh, it's so much more authentic. But remember, Addison Rae not only came from TikTok, Pivot to the Kardashians, to even Obsessed, which was a great song.
But the music video, the clothing, it's so visually different than everything that she's doing now. Like her working with Mel, who's the editor-in-chief of Interview. And like, so this thing that she has now that is so, I love. I think it's aquamarine, bop, hit. Diet Pepsi music video, sex. What's a new song? High fashion. It took me a minute. I found my way to high fashion.
But the fits were giving. I loved the music video. I love this whole like look that she's built. Rebrand, very possible. And I think it's possible if Tate McRae, if we let her cook, could really work.
You know a little?
I mean, I felt like there were even whispers when everyone was talking about the Britney treatment. movie that Addison, I mean, who's going to do the acting? I'm not sure. I saw that Netflix movie. Sorry, Queen. We all have our Achilles heel. But I do think Addison has this like bubble gum appeal to her that I don't know if Tate has.
Like, I don't know either of their ages, actually, but I know they're just Tate McRae is 21. I looked it up.
Does anyone have a vape in here? I feel like, oh my God, I'm stressed now. I know you have to put on a pimple patch. You have to put on a star face. I at least thought 26 or something.
But okay, going back, I do think that Addison has this like universal appeal to her because she genuinely is, seems to be, I'm not saying Tate isn't, a very bubbly, precious, nice, young, wide-eyed, bushy-tailed kind of thing about her. It just seemed like someone who just shrooms. Yeah. She just seems like she doesn't do coke.
Tate seems like someone that would like pick up for you, but maybe not do it. You know what I mean? No, Hunter doesn't know what I mean. She doesn't do drugs. But, which, you know, if you're her parent listening to this, thank God. Yeah. My parents listening to this would be like, and you? They're like, pan that camera over. Yeah, yeah. You better be nodding along.
But I think that when those comparisons were made, I could see it a lot more clearly. But, I mean, they both have dance backgrounds at the ASO.
Incredible. But I also, I have a dance background. I'm just going to come out and say it. I'm going to get ahead of the narrative.
Okay, okay. And so sometimes to me, there's movers and there's dancers. And I feel like Addison to me actually gives dancer and Tate gives, yes, she's super flexible, hits the beats mover because she's doing choreo to me that doesn't feel expressive.
It feels like you're competing on so you think you can dance and you're just trying to get like, you're doing a bunch of impressive tricks to get America to vote for you.
I will say I'm the cousin in question. Totally. That was me in another life with Hunter. And I'm already getting a headache from it.
I mean, I feel like kind of excited by their careers. I want to see like what happens next for them. I think I'm a little bit leaning more if we have to pit legends against each other, Addison, than I am Tate. But I'm not, I'm a Tater Tot. What do people, someone called him, I think Ira, Macracist. Like, she doesn't give me racist. No. She seems like too nice, too simple a white girl to be racist.
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Yeah.
Smiling ear to ear. Like a grinner for real. Like I said, the cutest bitch you know is the biggest hater.
There is a light-skinned girl with a blowout that is just looking at her man on stage. Smiling ear to ear. Big old goofy grin. And she was live in the audience. Hunter was live on her couch.
That was a crazy laugh, by the way. So sorry for what just came out of my mouth. No, no, but it was good. It met the moment. Thank you. Okay. You're welcome. I got nervous. I think it's kind of funny to think about all the white people in the audience that I know were singing Not Like Us with their full chest, being like, cell block one, let's go.
And then I'm like, well, not you either, by the way. And then I saw this video of Zac Efron in the audience going up backwards hat. You know, you know, white boys locked in when his hat is backwards. Come on, catch them all. Vibing to Not Like Us. And I said, you and Little Miss Anne halfway over there. Yeah, y'all can stay.
I hope he's well.
The Eagles have this thing going on where it's like everyone, the requirement is to be sexy and then good at football.
And they're like, oh, you're on to the next round. Good luck. And then cut to what? Patrick Mahomes. He looks like one of those white dogs that have crust in their eyes to me. Sorry. And then Travis Kelsey, who I actually used to think was kind of fine, sweating out his press.
But he was tugging on it too. I was like, oh, no, no, no. It was tough. But what do you think this all means for? Because I know you're going to bring it up anyway.
She said, enough is enough.
Opens with the booing of her in the audience.
The fuck? As if she hasn't been booed before every single game almost, but.
And I can't wait. Reputation's my favorite album. I don't think it's ever been worse. Let's go. Let's get to work.
Classics.
Okay. Okay, very important question for you. Are you a lover or a hater?
You're kind of the OG lover girl down. Yeah, TM. Are you a lover or hater of Valentine's Day?
Really?
I know.
Not like anything extravagant over the top. Then it's capitalism. Yeah, that's like too much.
Pumping those fists, moving those hips, baby, yes. And the way he like shakes his head, like, oh, oh my God. Like he is feeling the spirit. And so am I, look at me now. Was it a women-only audience? No, no, it wasn't. Andrew just said that. No, there were plenty of men in the audience too. Oh, okay, well, allies, shout out to them.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like them. Which is the biggest flex to be like. Yes. One, to be that famous and that private. Yes. To be childhood stars and that private and that at this point now seemingly very like together, very in love, very as we've seen childhood stars go. It could go left or right.
And like, you know, I think that you embodied like their relationship and where they are and like respect their privacy. Oh, yeah. Wait, not me. Oh, anytime I compliment Hunter, she sits up in a way that's like, and what else? But I'm actually kind of curious for you, Hunter, what made you come out of this retirement? What about this rebrand and this relaunch drew you into this story and moment?
But I really like watching Hunter in what I think she was maybe experiencing privately, even though I was still in her home. It felt so personal. It felt so true to you. I was like, oh, she just needs to love like this. This is the kind of love.
So cool. And that's how a man should be, is just being like, look at her fucking go. She's just breathing. She's drinking water. But also, we want to talk to you about just taking over this big feat and starting rebranding Cosmo and Seventeen. Can you talk to us about this opportunity and how it's been so far?
I don't even know who it is. It's like 8am, but like, you know what? I'm in. Let's do it.
But I mean, what you're even speaking to right now, like going hand in hand with your audience and not just pulling them along and like having trust in the relationship that you're building with your audience versus some kind of power dynamic and structure, which I think it's really easy to fall into a territory of talking down to your readers.
And that's something I think you've always been good at in your career is like treating your reader as an equal. Speaking of, this is a hard pivot, but what I needed, what I woke up to... Cordell and Serena. Wow. Wait, first, did that story leak or just did the stories leak?
It's beautiful to witness.
But we're both, we're new to it though. And we like dove in.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it's the funniest thing, and we'll circle back to this, because it's like, the cutest bitch you know is the nastiest hater you know. And that's actually me. Like, Hunter's always like, Peyton, like, I'm actually the nice one. I'm just straight up. You're actually privately invisible ink.
Oh, you are still. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Yeah, yeah. God forbid a man I want to cheese it to add. Yeah. No, no. I love them so much. And I think that, like, we needed that cathartic moment between them. Like, it had to, like, blow up to that extreme and, like, come back and make it an act of choice that she returned to this relationship to be like, okay, I'm vindicated.
And, like, if she forgives him, I forgive him. And we can work on this together. Us and them. Like, in the story, like, we are the throuple with them. Yeah.
Yeah, anti-polyamory, okay? No more. You're polyphobic? Yes, proudly. Oh, I didn't know that. No one should have that much time in their day to be poly. I feel like it's too much to do.
So that's been interesting. Lover, hater of polyamory, hater big time. You're really a hater. Wow. I'd be judging hard. I apologize.
No, that's cheating. Oh. Yeah, right. But something I have to say about Willa. Let's hold space. If Willa's going to do anything, it's make something so... I was going to say, wear a suit. She's going to wear a suit. She's going to wear a suit. She's going to wear a tie. And you know what she's going to do? She's going to say, Serena, get your little ass over here. Put this suit on.
Let me see you get to work. And you do. You make these girls step out in a way that I religiously, sexually, emotionally needed to see Serena in that suit.
Ooh. Being paid properly.
I know.
Oh, she said it's hard. Wait, that's so cool.
I hate this bitch. I hate this bitch. I would never. I'm from LA. I'm allowed to be like that. Oof, girl. It's in my blood.
Thank you. Of course.
This is a woman. This is a woman. The woman.
She's trying to take over.
It's always been a bad week for biracials, though. We only have Zendaya working for us at this moment. So we started on a high with Challengers and we're ending on a low with Patrick Mahomes right now and his white wife. And more on that in a minute.
Where to discuss the beat? Do we start with the beat? Like, what do we start with? Oh, my gosh. Go ahead and talk about the beat. The foundation shade that has never matched anyone, any black woman. But it's all right here. That's all the foundation is, like, on the forehead. Yeah, it's in only specific places. And then the eyebrows are pitch black, drawn on.
Looks like this one time Hunter borrowed my eyeliner to draw in her eyebrows. On this very podcast. Some might remember. Let me say this, Hedfield will really remember. She's kind of working it.
Cash, cold, hard cash. She's about it. Yeah, that's a businesswoman, actually. God forbid a girl boss too close to the sun.
Hunter Yvonne Harris coded. It really is. That's you talking to me and Remy.
The fact that they're even taking her seriously in this way. When you speak with authority, I mean, you command a space like that. I love her. I think she's back in Brooklyn now. I hope so. And hopefully she'll take over for Eric Adams. I don't think that's the answer. But I love an ambitious woman.
I worry about her mental health. I worry about mine too. We already have too many people that I worry about their mental health in politics. Okay, so maybe let's let her reset.
after what's his name fell yes yeah and everyone's like stop falling die no she's kind of taking it she's kind of a queen there's another person taking it though on the internet the internet's been fucking crazy this past you sound old when you say that i am old the internet's taking it i'm 30 i'm an adult oh my life's different now but let's talk about my
You know Cantu in CVS hates to see him coming. He's not using Cantu. He's getting someone to buy Cantu for him. He don't know the intricacies of mixed chicks. Don't give him that. Or kinky curly. He doesn't know anything about that.
One thing about you, you will research mama. I will. Okay, so it's from a reality show that's a little bit comparable to like a Love Island called La Isla de las Tentaciones. Come on, Spanish class. I have been taking Spanish class. I'm only on week three.
I can hear that. Yeah, that's fine. I'm like, should I redo it? And I'm just like, just be authentic. So the clip has gone viral. It's around two minutes of Jose Carlos Montoya being forced to watch his girlfriend cheat on him with another man in real time.
No, first they're in the pool and he's slapping her ass in the pool.
He is hurting. Even though I think that he had just cheated on her. And that's just a man. Well, I don't know about that. I don't know that.
Well, the funniest part about it all is, like, the main clip is, like, you see him watching it on this, like, rolled-in TV. But really, they were watching it first on an iPad. But he kicked it the fuck down because he was so upset. And they had to pull in another, like, television for him to watch on. And was like, stop. And the host is like, Montoya, Montoya, Montoya.
This man gets up out of his seat, pulls up those shorts, tightens those sneakers, those hokas, and starts running.
Walking on water. This poor woman, this poor host in a wrap dress is just trying to keep up. She truly just keeps up. everything together in a wrap dress. Oh my gosh. And shout out to the fucking editors of this, though, because as it cuts back and forth between the hooking up, they start fucking faster, like, and more intensely as he runs faster.
But I think that they do similar stuff. I don't know. We're new to Love Island.
It's good old classic penetration.
He is like, oh. He feels it.
It's so... His mind. I saw that on my Twitter page, like scrolling over and over and over. And then finally I was like, okay, I think I need to stop and watch and listen. And like not even knowing only a little bit of... I still was like, I understand exactly what's going on. You don't need to translate.
The internet?
Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be. If you don't have a Valentine, you do have Teddy Pendergrass on YouTube. Let me say that. And if you don't have a Valentine, you have a highlight reel of Jalen Hurts on TikTok.
Oh my gosh, you in those sneakers too.
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And of course, duh, the Super Bowl and the halftime show. And we're joined by Cosmopolitan editor-in-chief Willa Bennett to talk about the magazine's new love issue. Heard of it? Have I ever? So let me just say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions? Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second?
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Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space. To talk shit. But, of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this.
She has firm boundaries and firm rules on the things that she will allow into her life. And that is actually a true sign of a lover. And here is how I got to this point. We are watching the Super Bowl, which we will talk about later, don't you worry. And Hunter, after Kendrick's performance, says, let me just chase that little something, something. And she puts on the Usher halftime show.
Athlete. That's actually how they refer to me most of the time. They're like Peyton, universal athlete.
And my father. I'm surprised you didn't lead with that. When I think about the Eagles, there's only one man that comes to mind. Louis Sticks. Louis Sticks, the junior. Oh, the second. Excuse me. You're mixing up my brother and my nepotism. That's how it works. Yeah. Yeah, when I tell you, like, my mom is not an ally to my father. The student loans are in her name, okay? Well, she divorced him.
Well, famously not an ally. She locks into business. You would think they're given 40 years strong the way in our family group chat my dad is just sending, like, reel after reel of, like, Jalen Hurts fan cams and, like, why the eagle deserves it. AI images of a gigantic eagle crushing the Kansas City logo. And my mom's like, yay! Like, so us, Lou. Like, woo. E-A-G-L-E-S. Eagles.
I'm like, bitch, you sound crazy. You sound like you're ready to get back together. But she has to be because we support who? My father. Oh, I was going to say Jalen Hurts. And Jalen Hurts.
I support my father. I support Hannah Einbinder. And I support Jalen Hurts' jawline. Two out of three ain't bad. Shade. Do you know that we grew up together? That's my girl.
We did.
I mean, I thought it was, like, not a good game in the way that there was a lot of intrigue and back and forth. Yeah. I thought it was a good game in the way it was really fun to watch Jalen Hurts' fine ass beat Kansas City to a pulp, if you will.
You can smell MAGA down the street from her.
Shit. Anyway.
But of course. Of course. We'll stand by it. And I just like, to watch a woman smile to herself with pure glee and pure just like, that's a man. And then after the Super Bowl, I made fun of her for that. And then after the Super Bowl, she said, I just got to take a load off. I got to calm down. And what did she do but put on a live performance of Teddy Pendergrass. May he rest in peace.
Yeah. Oh, my God. They'd be so mad. Did you watch the Travis Kelsey dating show? Do you remember that? I didn't watch. Oh, I watched like a couple clips of it. Okay. It was when he was black. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, bring this version of Travis Kelsey back. Like, that is one who would have a very different answer, I would hope, I would think. Yeah, but. Probably not, but.
Amongst so many other things.
And it's like, oh, let me tell you this. I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna tell you this. Say it. A man ain't ever gonna stand on business. Except for one man. Except for one man. Why? Because his whole management team is who? Women. Black women. And that's Jalen Hurts. And you know, the one thing about us, we don't believe in anyone under the age of 27.
And we did aggressively Google Jalen Hurts' name to make sure we could ethically thirst over him. We're 30. He's 26. We can make it work. He's 26. He's 26.
Just him. This one. Yes. Yes.
It was distracting. Like we were kicking our feet and like squirming every time it was like for that man. You should not be able to see Jalen Hurts in 4K.
He was too young then. He didn't grow into himself yet. Yeah. But wow. Shout out to the Daily Hearts community. Shout out to that one lesbian, that one butch lesbian kicking and screaming at her TV. I know she's living good today. She is. She's large and charred.
Oh, really?
What do you think? OK, here's what I thought. I thought in comparison to the L.A. show that he did, a little bit lackluster in terms of like the hyper specificity, the hype. But of course, he can't bring the Bloods and the Crips on to the Super Bowl stage. I understand that. I will space for those politics. But I thought the choreography was fantastic.
The girl who choreographed it had worked with Kendrick for a while and also choreographed Beyonce's Netflix halftime. And something else. That makes sense. Did you do Rihanna's halftime show too or no? No, but she did the weekend's Grammy performance. Like she does group work really well. And I love the movement there. I love when a small movement feels really big. Come on, dance background.
Yeah, five, six, seven, eight, if you will. I actually thought that the one thing that didn't work for me is it moved a little slow. And at first I was like, maybe that's something to think about in terms of my patience as a consumer. But then I was like, no, you have a very specific like tight time. I wanted you to use it a little bit more. Come on, let's get into some classics.
But I will say he maybe spoke to the unseriousness of the Super Bowl by being like, yeah, I'm going to play this fucking five-time Grammy winning song and have a whole stadium cheering, probably a minor.
And was just sitting in the dark on the couch vibing, asking for oatmeal raisin cookies. Like this is a true old auntie ass bitch. Let me tell you that.
Yeah, yeah.
Where it's like this. Yeah, yeah.
Who knows? Manifest. But okay, we have to talk about our sister. Serena. No. Our sister. SZA. SZA. SZA's sitting on that BBL starting on the floor. I'm sorry. She's the funniest woman in America.
Okay, we're adults. She said, you're not going to catch me like Alicia Keys. And you're not going to post the edited version where I then sound good. But that is, you know, neither here nor there. And thank God.
I'm over it. I'm over all of it. It's so meh. I don't think that there's any anti-Americana play twist on Americana. I'm over it. Let's let it go. Like, honestly, I feel that way about Beyonce too. I'm like... Let's get Cowboy Carter. Let's get it out. Let's get it done. I'm proud. Album of the year. But I'm also like, especially as black people, I think there's more that we can do there.
Yeah. I hope you're a shotgun writer. Yeah. How do you always find a way to bring up Miley Cyrus in any case? And we're going to come right back to her story. But SZA was cracking me up laying down. Yeah. I love that her mic was off. I thought it was the right choice. Yes, I agree on that. Her red hair looks really good. Her red hair looks really good, full fit. Her choreo was cracking me up.
I'm like, you don't... She's not a mover and a shaker, and that's fine.
Oh, well, that's kind of actually... It was kind of giving that one performance, the I'm still here crawl on the floor performance.
Like the little. Her little leg out. I said, okay, I mean. Yeah, that's why I love her. You know what we need to bring it to. Unfortunately, I do fear I have a few exes that would do this to me too. But Serena Williams. Crip walking. First time she was on beat. Shout out, queen. She's not a dancer first or second, but she said, I'm going to be in the studio practicing for this moment.
Looking the camera dead in the eye. Drake, I know you're watching this.
And to do all that, one, her cute little blue outfit. And then let's cut to whose outfit? Kendrick's, those sexy little leather black gloves and those boot cut fucking jeans. He said, I'm going to put on these flared leg pants. I'm going to go crazy. I'm going to go crazy on your grave. And Celine.
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Let Me Say This. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Hunter, I have to say, I was watching your Instagram story this weekend. Cinema. Okay, not too much. See, this is why I hesitate to give you a compliment. And you're already sitting up, perked up, ready for me to sing your praises, which I have to say.
No, because I have to stop you right there. No, no, no. And thank you for calling me in, not calling me out. That's what we do here on this podcast. But really, I just, like, okay, you know what I'm coming to right now? Is Nicole Richie felt, like, emblematic of, like, that time. Like, the chaos and, like, fun and, I don't know, drug addict era of, like, the early 2000s.
And now Sophia represents, like, where we are now in society, which is, like... It's safer to be boring. It's easy to be boring and it's easy to be safe. And that's what she's doing. And that's her appeal. And she's like, this is no shade to Sophia, actually. It's just the truth about her. You called her boring four times in a row, but it's no shade. Oh, totally. It's okay to be boring.
I mean, I don't identify with that experience, but it's okay for people to live that way. But like, I do think that her level of whiteness is just enough. for America. Like, you know what I mean? It's very Rashida Jones of it all. Like, she has this appeal because people kind of forget.
Rashida Jones does her little hip hop stuff. It's so crazy. Especially not knowing what you're talking about. It was like Rashida Jones on the red carpet when someone was like, you look so tan. Like, what's your secret? And she was like, oh, like I'm, so I'm like black. A little bit. I never knew that. Oh, I never knew that. Well, neither did the interview.
No, no, I mean, I never saw that interview.
Oh, my goodness. But I think that's part of her appeal. It's like she's like just a little bit like PG-13 and a little bit black.
Yeah, that's fair. I actually, I agree with that. And I think it's not that she's, like, ever trying to be aspirational. She just naturally is. Yeah. Because she's rich. Because she's rich and she's pretty. And she has, you know, 1C curls. And I would love to have that experience. Oh, well, I am. Not the experience of 1C curls. I was about to say, are you self-hating? What?
I would love to have self-hating. No, but I would love to be, like, working with, like, Jo Malone, Tommy, Prada. Like, I would love to be working with the girls. Yes. The masculine girls.
Okay, industry. Come on, succession.
I'm like, I'm biracial too, and I have a dance background. Like, I'll do it. I'll do it. I'd rather just into a frame and be like, oh, gee. Well, maybe we do that after this.
So before we bid adieu to 2024, I think it's high time we do a little bit of a rundown, if you will, of some highs and some, oh, you guessed it, incredibly low lows. Yes, many. Too many to count. Too many for this podcast. And we have a guest here with us today. You might remember him, actually, from the early days of this podcast.
If you're a real true, let me say this, head, you remember one of our favorite episodes, actually, with the Michael Kuby, writer and editor-at-large at them.com. Welcome to the podcast, you sicko.
I had that ready. I saw your little shoes. I said, oh, I've got something for him today. Nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty. Well, we are glad to have you back with us. Michael, are you a lover or a hater?
Yeah, right. Let's just hard stop there. We know you're a hater. No follow-up, no excuses, no notes.
Many Stan accounts know that Michael's a fucking hater.
They never stop. I have to ask, are you a lover or a hater of 2024?
Oh, God, I forgot about her. I know.
Throw it away. Down. That's fair. That's fair. And before we get into kind of like a deep dive of this year and how hellish it really was, I think we kind of have to start off with Little Miss Spotify Wrapped. I was not called out. I was called in. All right. I think we'd be brave. Yeah. I think we'd be brave. I think we'd round robin it and say, who are your... You don't have to name them all.
I think it's a safe space to say just some. What artists were in your top? Top five? Top five.
No, Michael and I both looked at the camera and got really silent and like fell, like crumpled a little bit. But continue. Taylor Swift.
To the east of Eden.
I love it.
Yes, yes. Love him. That lesbian woman.
Hunter's nodding in a way that's like, faggot. I mean, queen. No, I'm not. No, I'm not.
Get her.
Not to be one of those early girls.
He's like, cut the camera before you both bully me. Okay. I did pass the Bechdel test. Typical lesbian. Beyonce was in mine. Sabrina was in mine. Charlie was in mine. Taylor, of course, was in mine. And my number one spot and my number one song went to Billie Eilish.
Birds of a Feather, of course, number one song. I wrote a whole thing about how it's a song to make someone fall in love with you.
Can we let the spirits, like, debug? Ooh, you're so annoying. That reminds me of that one time you came over and I was watching The Office and you were like, hmm, typical. And it was so embarrassing.
I actually, I have to ask one common thread though. Musical theater gays or an ally are taking it because guess what was in one of my top songs? Soda's Letter from the Outsiders.
Fine. And then what were some of your top songs?
I was like, for me?
I love it.
Literally. No. It comes on and he's like ripping runs out of the room. Oh, my God. Okay. Well, Birds of Feather was mine. So what was yours?
Oh.
Uh-oh. Women of color stealing from women of color. Not the first time. I'm telling you that. Not the first time today, I'll say. I've copied and pasted a few tweets and lip combos from Hunter Harris. I'll say it. It was honestly the funniest moment to call it a campaign. And even like to insinuate, I know Tree Payne has shooters, obviously. She is a shooter. I can sniper on my head right now.
Go ahead with your bad self, Michael. Okay, I have to ask really quickly, who do you think was a pop girl or pop person that took it this year in general? Not just like our Spotify rep. I have to say Charlie.
It was a bright universe.
Literally. Literally.
How the times have changed. That's what we call growth. Yeah. That's what we call allyship. Okay, moving from music to the cinema movie of the year. You're familiar. You frequent. Zoe Kravitz.
Well, Challengers is also on my list because I'm biracial. So, Challengers is on my list because of the same feeling of like, oh, I had so much fun and I missed feeling that way in a theater that wasn't like a Barbie getting dressed up way, but more of like, I'm fighting back laughing so I can make sure I hear every word. I also felt that way about Wicked.
Oh my God. But it's like, it's so hyper specific to her.
I loved Wicked in a way I really didn't think I was going to. And I know it's fresh, so maybe there's a little bit there and there's a little bit of, again, this fun, this joy that I felt. And also Cynthia Erivo, again, let her cheat. And then number three, the most annoying lesbian you've ever met. I love Lies Bleeding. I love that movie. Let's talk about fun. Let's talk about fun.
When Kristen Stewart is whispering into that girl's pussy, I said, we're back, baby. The theater is back. They're like, girl, just go watch porn. You're fine. But I just, yeah, I really, I had so much fun watching that film. Similar to maybe your Onora feeling, but yeah, those are my three. Wow, okay. We need to take it there. Divorce of the year. I think we actually all have the same one.
Three, two, one. Benefer.
an album about a movie music video about a documentary about your marriage that swiftly ends it really wasn't even about the marriage it was about a good fuck if we're being honest it was really about like her side piece at the end of the day it's like it wasn't love they were just really fucking and it was beautiful like come on if we really let's pull let's pull the blinders back i actually don't think it's love i think it was just a lot of really good lust and a good storyline
Speaking of depleted, that photo of her and him leaving that house, talking about depleted, he had put everything, every pump he had into her and she was grinning ear to ear. Oh, my favorite paparazzi shot. Yeah, shout out to them. And now he's being messy, kind of hanging out with the other Jennifer.
And it's loaded.
Oh my God. Maybe. Was there like a relationship we loved this year? Like someone that got together? No.
Club Chalamet and stocks. That's my relationship of the year.
This is the most unserious podcast that has ever existed. Oh, my God. Okay, and that's a perfect segue to White Boy of the Year.
So there's a recent last minute entry, okay? Is it White Boy of the Year? Was it Austin Butler? Was it Timothee Chalamet? Uh-oh. We've got a last minute entry. Oh, and he might just be taking it. The United Healthcare Shooter. Luigi, I love Italians. I always have. You know my ex. I love Italians.
No one else. Listen. But it's your time. It's your time and it's Tree Payne's time. And I'm ready for you guys to link and build.
And to find out, and mind you, I need our listeners to know, like we literally, his photo dropped minutes before we started recording this podcast. And we said, thank God.
Taking matters into his own hands.
Lock you up. Free him and lock you up.
Yeah.
I thought you were, like, crazy. Oh, you have some nerve.
That was nasty, Hunter, actually. How dare you comment on celebrity bodies? Have you learned nothing? No, but you need to watch his show on Netflix. Outer Banks.
Oh. Well, she already saw Queer, so I couldn't recommend that. Who else is it? I mean, I think Timothy's number two for me. Austin Butler at the beginning of the year and now.
Of him talking about the sport. Yes.
Oh, not me. I'm like, damn. Not me believing that she had that ghetto ass name. I was like, oh, good for her, Loki. Love. Okay, what's going on with you? How was your weekend? Who cares about my weekend? It's time to walk in. It's time to focus. If you or a friend know anyone near, just local to a Netflix, just in LA actually, I need you to call on them right now because my mother, she's ready.
I love heterosexual to me. He should be straight more often. I feel like he appeals to the end of the bisexuals. You know what I mean? I feel like him in his hetero era, I'm like, hold on now. Something's cooking for me. But really, you know who I think is going to take it for 2025? Predictions, if we want to go around. I think Jacob Elordi. Yeah, I think so too.
Or actually, let me sing your trainer's praises. You look so toned, hunty. Thank you. I saw those arms in your little workout vid.
And you said his, so I got nervous. Right. She's giving it to a man. You never pass on the Ben Bill, Ben Bill, Ben Bill test. What test?
The silence. Go off, Queen. The silence of the loud. And now he says, faggot.
I would agree with that, actually.
My capitalist answer is probably Charlie XCX.
I mean, financially, I'm just saying. The numbers are adding up. I feel like she, one, is finally seeing the fruits of her very Bushwick labor. She was like, oh my God, I've done it. I've done the thing. I've done the thing that Chaperone did accidentally and immediately. Mm-hmm. And I do think that she is, and it ends now, milking brat for as long as she should.
And if I had something like a brat, something like a brat, I would milk it too until the days end. I would be doing constant remixes, pop-ups, merch, everything until everyone was sick of me. And that's what she's doing.
Someone bring back the, someone bring back a bump. Wow. The bundle, if you will.
Yeah. And she stayed true to herself. Exactly. She overturned her roots. And we love her for that. So I think at the end of the day, it was a bright year. It was a bright summer. It was a bright year. Michael?
Everything went back to Brad. Not everything needed to go back to Brett.
Okay. Okay. And to close this out, who do we think will be taking it in 2025? Walden Dowd. I know. You know that's my sister. And so many people are going to be like, what?
She's ready to start dating and she's been watching the Later Dater show on Netflix, which we might need to do a deeper dive on later because I am obsessed. Wow. And my mom introduced me to it and she's like, Peyton, it's literal. Let me read the text. Let me read the text that my mom sent. Hey, you two, to me and my brother. On Netflix, there's a show called Later Daters.
Oh. Then just, then maybe.
Come on, MAC Cosmetics campaign.
Crazy.
She's been doing that for 15 years. Okay, but I will say I want it for Ari. I want it for Ari, I want it for Wicked. I don't know if I want it for Cynthia, even though I love the girl, but we got to work on some things. But Ari, 2025, Wicked part two. I can be in that boat.
And if she puts her, I almost said, if she puts her black face back on. If she gets that contour right, we cooking for real. We cooking for real. Manifest. And on that note, Michael, thank you so much for coming on. Where can people follow you?
Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you.
I think we need to get me on there. Help me get on there, you guys. My brother just responds, at Peyton. Like, literally with the at sign. And it didn't work.
And the immediacy in which it spread like wildfire. I think that's, yeah, that's the thing. It's like, oh my God, I saw a complex... Fucking complex pose.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was not, first of all, I know Beyonce didn't see that.
Well, any main points to hit? I think that silence is golden. Also, immediately after, let's just be quiet for a second. The haste in which this man responded and the grammar is a testament to that. The speed. But some of the things he said that I was like, my guy. This lawyer, who I've done a bit of research on, very Hunter Harris, actually, to be like, don't worry. Don't bring me into it.
Why am I in it? You're right. You're right. You're right. Seems to have a pattern of these types of theatrics. Another quote, I will not give you one red penny. All caps. One red penny is all caps. Two explanation points. Many, many an explanation point in the statement. Another moment.
My heart and support goes out to the true victims in the world who have to watch how their life story is dressed in costume for profitability by this ambulance chaser in a cheap suit. I know Solange is somewhere being like... Just close Google Docs, minimize the screen right now. It is. Unless not.
It's bad for him.
Well, because he did it in private. I know he opened his laptop, turned down the brightness, and then exported it as a PDF.
Yes.
And it's true. That's why I'm saying, you guys, you have gold on your hands. I'm literally putting this on a silver platter for you. Model, model, model. You have Alicia Keys' government name. The actual Alicia Keys technically stole that name from her. Nepo baby. Thank you. And I was like, mom, oh my God, let me get to work. She goes, yes, we have to get me on there.
Yeah.
Never.
The physics psychics, I said, I just want to put my phone down. No, it's serious. No, because I know he was in bed lowering the brightness on his laptop, typing it out and exporting it as a PDF. Trying to do it in private, not so no one would know. Mm-hmm.
Like –
Okay. Yeah.
And it's like – And you know people are reading it with like – you know like the Spy Kids glasses that goes like – Yes. That's how people are reading this. Yes. Yes. And there's grammar errors all over the damn thing. So it's like, well, King, maybe we don't do that.
Nothing serious should ever come from the Roc Nation account. Let's just put that on paper. And the kicker of all of this is not just this statement. It's the fact that it was either ABC or NBC had posted on social basically like a recap of the news breaking. And who was in the likes? Mother at Miss Tina Knowles.
She accidentally likes a lot of stuff. She actually likes a lot of stuff. I've seen joke time.
Well, at least if my face gets out there and people will see I am not having good dates, maybe there might be a soulmate or somebody out there for me going, there's my girl. LOL. Like she's ready. She's primed. She's primed for prime time. Anyway, if you know someone, please, God. Wow. Get my friend. Ted Sarandos, where are you?
Yeah, speaking of celebrities going rogue.
Yeah.
It just seems like such a, I don't know, huge deal. That's like, to me, Kamala, mild. Mild accusations of being. Yes, but I just mean that she like.
Of a certain generation. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah.
And I don't even, whatever. Again, we don't know enough. But I will say, should have ended after Lemonade. Should have ended after Lemonade.
Girl, or maybe even before. Let's take this offline. Okay. Closed case. All right. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
No, I actually think they're like radically like... Pro not participating in user data. Interesting. Sophia Ritchie, I do apologize for calling you boring. If you do want to link and build, I'm happy to dance with you anytime.
Not keeping that large.
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Oh, wait.
Oh, I loved her. Mother.
You should. I should. A little like, from then to now kind of thing. Because, you know, nothing worse than a skinny bitch. Let me tell you that. Shut up. Shut up. What are you talking about? The growth that I've seen from Hunter Yvonne Harris is phenomenal. It was giving butter and noodles and no thought. I said, run down the block, girl. Just make it to the end and let's see what happens.
Okay, fair. Yeah.
Drew doesn't, at the end of the day, believe in love. She was like, have you seen My Parents of Worse? Maybe we're not going there. My Parents of Worse was like a little bit of like, I will say, so long but razzle dazzle, which is why I still had like the spirit of love. So long but razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle, yeah. It was performance. You should have seen Granny's involvement too. It was great.
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How does one ever really explain a biracial woman? I don't know. We may not get to that answer today. But where we'll start is an investigation into Ms. Sophia Ritchie. Ms. Sophia. Mrs. Sophia Ritchie. Mrs. Sophia Ritchie Grange. Grange. Grange. Yeah, she should have kept it Ritchie. Actually, I want to ask you, are you a lover or a hater of Sophia Richie? I'm actually so curious.
But she is lifting her weight. She is doing her squats. I saw that ass sitting too. Don't think I wasn't looking. Yes. Great work.
I think my case is too early to tell, but really hard to compare against Nicole, but we'll get to that.
But this is the thing that's pissed me off right now. I don't even know if I can blame Sofia Richie, but there's a trend right now called the Sofia Richie dance on TikTok. Which is simply a shoulder shrug on beat.
Yeah, Lola Young. Which I love that song. Love. Great song. Love that song. Oh, my God. Love her.
That's all it is. And that's normally all a biracial can offer on a dance floor anyway. Sorry. Look in the mirror. Dance background.
But it was just like, oh, something is wrong here. As in like in white women's brains, actually not there. But like to be like all the captions, I went through the videos and the trend videos and all the captions are like, I can see why she loves doing this dance. Like it's so fun.
Unfortunately, that side of America is really beating our asses right now.
It's palatable. You really come with my sister every time. I was like, stop. Get behind me, Gracie. I'm going to regret that one day. Something about Sophia Richie is just so, in the same way that it works for Hailey Bieber, palatable. Like she's just so easy. She's not controversial. She's racy in the way that's like elementary school racy.
Like it's always like PG, maybe 13 if you're feeling crazy. Like she gets three F-bombs a year. Like that's how it is. And like it works so well for her. I understand that. But it's also, it's upsetting me and my homegirl. Because damn, we can't get a controversial biracial. God. Nicole Richie worked for her status. I assume you watched Simple Life. Yeah. Okay. Not just Simple Life though.
Did you watch her show on like AOL? That was... Was the Quibi show? No. It was pre-Quibi. I think it was like on AOL. And it was so funny. It was like a little like into Nicole Richie's life and her little friends. And it was hilarious. Interesting. Like she's like someone I just, you know what I hate? I hate feeling neutral about somebody. I hate being like, okay.
It's almost worse than being like, oh, I hate her. I would much rather hate a bitch. I would much rather be hating.
And that's what... You're so annoying. That's what shocked me. Do you remember her wedding, Sofia Richie's wedding?
Oh, my God. I forgot. That was her, right? Like, really crazy.
Let's, for the record, Sofia Richie is 26 now. Mm-hmm. Which I don't even believe in people under the age of 27. But she's 26 now, which means I think she was, like, 22 or something. Like, she was so young to be that old man.
Never.
A lot of people are coming out as being under 30 these days and I don't like it. Ludwig? I don't like to look in someone... Ludwig is under... Ludwig, because he was just on 430 Under 30 and I'm naming it. And I saw him that day and I said, bitch, you're 28. How old is he? 28. Wow. I hate being lied to. Wow. But at least not 27 or 26. Oh, Lord have mercy. Thank God. I forgot.
Well, what was the rest of her troubled past? That was it. Oh, you're joking. Nicole Richie had like 10 drug problems. I know. I'm kidding. Don't piss me off. I'm kidding. I just literally threw my little no card. No, I'm sorry.
The food god guy? Yeah, not dealing with that. Not dealing with that. I guess what's troubling to me is like, I kind of thought we were like making this migration away from quiet luxury or like this like soft life girl, which really just had like equated to being like, white and boring, actually. And I felt like there was a move towards the chapel roans of the world or the loud white bitches.
And now I'm like, oh, we haven't escaped that at all. Is this a prison and are we all stuck in it? Because why are we thinking that this is a dance? And I get maybe the appeal of Sofia for... someone that like Pinterest their personality, you know what I mean? Like how to be interesting, like looks up Pinterest, looks up like outfits to wear to the movies.
And is, like, chill being a nipple baby. I think that's what I've always, like, loved about the both of them. The both of them being Nicole and Sophia.
Is that they're, like, yeah, anyway, so.
Yeah.
Actually, she did take Jennifer Hudson's. Wow. Erasing dark-skinned woman. That's interesting, Hunter.
She's a terrible daytime TV host. She is, actually. And Nicole Rodriguez is, like, just so charismatic and so quick and really sweet. You have to be so smart to be that funny. Her and Paris, actually. No, I'm not. Not Paris. Wait, not Paris. You're right. I take that back. No, look me in the eye in the camera. Hear me tapping the mic on the audio. I take that back.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, so I'm going to say the penultimate episode didn't do a ton for me, but I loved Carrie Coon sleeping with that Russian and him immediately turning over in bed and being like, oh, so do you have cash app? So do you have Venmo? And like I said, PayPal even. He said even some just cash money. I loved it. That was hilarious. Yeah.
That's what happens when you're just trying to sleep with someone and get back at your friend. It's never satisfying. It never works. It never works, girls.
So what did you think of Carrie Coon's monologue in the finale?
I do. Because, I mean, usually the tariffs are up and the artist's way is even more up. I need to shop my link, okay? You truly do.
That is... Yeah, I guess I remember reading, maybe it was around, like, season two, whenever they were scouting season three locations, that Mike White was like, this is going to be a season of, like, renewal and rebirth and... Whatever. So, like, it's not entirely surprising that this season ends on, like, a much more sentimental note. Yeah.
Like, the Carrie Coon monologue really felt like the thesis everything was working toward, where it's, like, actually being here is my life. Being together is, like, what this is all about. And, I mean, that's, like, nice, but not a super interesting conclusion to me. No, no. But I don't know. The three women always felt like the strongest, like, clearest arc, clearest storyline.
Yeah. But at the end of the day, it's like, oh, of course, like I see now why those three women at dinner never seem to like really escalate to the mention at all, if you will, of New York housewives, of like the true friendship, like I will be at your throat. It always seemed like a little step behind that viciousness.
No, if we were doing a power ranking of the three friends, let me tell you, Leslie Bibb, who said, don't invite those men back to the villa. Yeah. I will be putting my pajamas on because I'm ready to go to sleep. Her saying, we're just talking shit. Don't worry. Like, it's not that deep. And what was the other thing she did? I really thought she was going to shoot a man.
I really thought the Russian men were going to try to rob them. And she was going to take out a gun and say, not my Kendra Scott earrings. And as a Republican, she probably knows how to pull that trigger too. Talk about get me back to God's country. She said, get me back to Austin, Texas, honey. I'm sick of this. I'm sick of being here.
Ugh, God. God forbid your friend gets a tooth, Jim, and you never hear the end of it. Tooth. I need them off. My dentist is like, it's time.
Yeah. It was funny. One of my friends was like, it would have been better. One of my friends like weeks ago before we saw the finale was like, Amy Lou Wood should have died from the snake bite. Oh my God. Forgot about the snake bite. That would have actually been hilarious. But it is like, that is kind of what happens.
It's like, she loves this man so much that he is intent on killing her, even, you know, inadvertently. Which is interesting, but I don't know. It's like the melodrama of, I'm going to kill this man who killed my dad, only for him to turn out to be my dad. Then I have to kill him. And I only learn that after. It's like, yeah. Sure. You know, I'm kind of like, I'll buckle up for that.
The male drama is funny. It's like silly. The most obvious kind of heel turn. But at the end of the day, it's like I was never really that invested in their relationship as a true to my core hater. So I don't know.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, the kind of even the contrast of son killing his father and father almost killing his son. I was like, eh, yeah. I guess Happy Father's Day is June somewhere. Is it? No, but I don't know. Was there anything else? Oh, Zion. Zion. Who wrote Zion's lines? If a black boy ever said bruh to his mother. But you know what Zion's dialogue reminded me of?
Sarah. Well, I think about that all the time because I love You've Got Mail. Yeah. But I thought Zion was hilarious. What can I say? When Zion... Looked at his mother in the face and said, you could take this 100K and not work for a year. I said, you don't see the Trump terror? What? Didn't you just graduate from business school? Like, huh? No. No, I love a dumb jock.
Let me say it's good to be back in New York City. Thank fucking God, actually. Oh, my. I love New York. New York makes a noise. This crazy city. No, I'm driving back to New York City. You have no idea. I made my triumphant return to Chicago. Triumphant return? Well, yes.
Well, you're a lesbian. Yeah.
I love Belinda, you know, kind of putting on her little cap and running a scheme. I love that. Sorry, Porn Chai. The Belinda turning into Tanya thing is like kind of too obvious of a read of that. What do you mean Belinda turned into Tanya? What do you mean? I feel like Gabby, what do you mean?
I would see Alec Baldwin. You still watching the Baldwins? Of course. Watching the Baldwins. You think that Dr. Robbie is going through on the pit? Girl. Shut the fuck up. No, I would love Alec Baldwin on White Lotus. I want to see them going to Wyoming. I think that would be a lot of fun. Oh. Like a really outdoorsy destination. Yeah. That would be nice.
I would also like to see maybe like a Peru.
Yeah. Right? Well, they live in them. For sure. I would also see like a winter. Someone in the hung up chat last night pitched like a winter destination. I was like, oh, that could be cool. Aspen, if you will. Yeah, Aspen. I also want more family stuff. I think the family stuff is really strong. Yeah.
Oh, Running Point? Yeah. Yeah, the basketball show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's a talented actor. Crazy man, though. Crazy man.
Well, the dual hair salon and coffee shop is giving like white woman with those like really PC kind of chunky highlights. Either so white or so black.
I was like, wait, what? Say your other thing, because we went to get coffee another morning, and you're like, what is every coffee shop not open before 10.30 in the morning?
King James version or New International version? Or do you know? Oh, I'm talking language you don't understand.
This is... First of all, we're already blacklisted on YouTube. Oh, shoot. Right. We're never going to get out. This is like a throwback to the days of MTV's Next. Next Buzz. Wow. It is giving like, oh, wow. She came off of the next bus and onto Temptation Island because that is a level of unhinged that, oh, wow. Thank you for bringing up the next bus.
Totally. Okay. Antique road show.
Oh, so you get, like, tattletaled on. Mm-hmm.
Well, there's nothing explicitly against threesomes in the Bible, I guess. That's true. I don't think they really, like, got to that chapter where they're, like, faced with that. Oh, it's maybe between the lines. But there are many men with many wives. That's a big thing in the Bible as well.
Yeah. Oh, my God. The highway. Oh, Chicago is very fast and furious. I'm going to say it's too fast, too furious. Because why were we in our friend's car on our way to a bonfire? Long story. And all of a sudden, we're like on the expressway on the North Shore Parkway. I think it's what it's called.
This life. I mean, this life, this economy, this government. Where do you want to end? Where do we go? Okay, so how long have the couples been together? Are they like long-term or just kind of like newly first months of dating?
Okay, that's pretty funny. That's pretty funny.
When they're in line in front of you at a concert. That's the time and place. When they're sitting in front of you at a concert. Yeah. That's the perfect place.
Have I heard of the devil? I lived in Boston.
Wait, so he tells his girlfriend that he wants to be open to new connections and then tells a girl that he cheated on her with that he wants to be even more open to even newer connections. Absolutely. Totally. Many such cases.
People start like braking, furiously braking. I mean, I'm talking like taillights all red, reversing, speeding off up and down. An exit ramp. Hello. Yes, I can drive. And I was like, wait, what? People see that there's like a car in front and immediately start trying to plan another car wreck. Damn near. Yeah. Backing up and turning around, driving against traffic.
You know, as someone who's currently rewatching Sex and the City, these are not the men that Carrie Bradshaw and co. were given. Like, these are worse, significantly. And I'm talking about, I'm watching the episode where she is hooking up with a guy who lives with his parents and runs a comic book store. Oh, yeah, him. Yeah. Yeah.
Lesbian ultimatum specifically.
With a gentle heart and the eye of a fighter. I'm a survivor. From Oklahoma. Reba McEntire from Oklahoma.
Don't put that curse on me.
I'm not biracial. A through high five. She didn't lock in. I'm trying to not knock over the microphone. Jesus.
That's an immediate reaction to the smallest accident in the world. People in Chicago say, oh, I got to get somewhere quick. I got to go get me a, what are they? Not to work. Not to work. Hot dog. Hot dog. Hoagie. Is that what it is? Hot dog was good. We had a hot dog. It was good.
I think we're all aware that Ariana Grande turning white was a recession indicator. Early signs. But she's black at halftime. Say it. I heard for her little song called Dandelion. Yeah, yeah. Oh, she's bagging her ill bag. That was quick too. She just put down the wicked press tour. Well, listen, tariffs are up. Tariffs are up. And she said, let me put on some bronzer and get back to black.
Because, okay, so what is it? It's the Eternal Sunshine Deluxe Edition. There's a song called Dandelion that is so classic Ariana, classic black girl Ariana.
She is like back in her Seven Rings like era. I mean, I can't sing it. But it's giving Ariana is back to black.
Probably not. Probably. And that would be okay. No, I love this song. I did not really care for the Eternal Sunshine era. It didn't do a ton for me, especially because Positions is my favorite Ariana Grande album. Positions and Thank U, Next. And the fact she never toured Positions. Listen, where are the JFK files about that?
No, I'm being so serious, though. I'm being so serious.
We need to open up that cold case.
Yeah. It was Thank U, Next, yeah. Yes, but Positions was after Thank U, Next. Oh. Positions was, everything was upside down. I just got distracted by the Wicked press tour. She threw me for a loop. Well, listen, I'm happy. I think she's good in Wicked, you know, but Glenda, your time is over. Glenda, stand down. Put the pink away. The blonde wig is being put in the closet.
We are back to Blockiana right now.
Because it's time to get back to work. For once. We need a pop girl to rise again. Like a true vocalist pop girl. Well, Miley's doing her work. I haven't listened yet.
I haven't had a chance. Two great tracks. I know. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Black Miley. I'm still holding space for you, girl. I almost said she's always been white. And then immediately it was like, excuse me, the Meek Mill song, the 23.
She's been through so much. She's been through so much. No, I'm sorry. Miley Cyrus, her child star to adult star arc career, again, would make Dr. Robbie on the pit blush. Yeah. Find another way to bring up Dr. Robbie on the pit.
No, I got to work up here. I started going to work.
But you know who I did? First of all, okay, we don't know if these are real or fake, but they're going viral. Apple doesn't make the emojis, but they were saying that these are like the new emojis and they're pop stars. Okay, Ariana is black in her emoji, correctly, but Iggy Azalea? I was like, who is this white blonde woman with red lipstick? That was nasty. It looked like Iggy Azalea.
I was like, you couldn't even get like a pixie cut era, like peroxide pixie era Miley, like wrecking ball era Miley. Or even recent Grammys Miley.
Oh, of course. Sure. I mean, any version. I mean, listen. Oh, God. What's that one Miley song? The allergy commercial. The one that I love, the one that I always want to play. The allergy commercial? Where she's outside frolicking in the... Oh, Malibu. Oh, of course. With her roots all in. Oh, God, what a song.
I remember when you brought me to the red table because I said that Malibu walked so that Maggie Rogers could soar. And you said that's not true. And listen, I was wrong.
We all heard the latest Maggie Rogers album, to be clear.
So put that Iggy Azalea down. Anyway, not to advocate for a man, but we're doing pop star emojis. Where is Justin Bieber's? Where is Justin Bieber's? And I want his black version too.
But okay, let's talk about growth. I said when I was in the hotel room, I said, I will let you know right now, I need to eat within an hour or I will have an attitude. I need to get food. I am so hungry. And guess how many hours later we ate? At least six. About five. Yeah, yeah.
Can a girl ask for something? Well, no one's asked for a Selena emoji. I see that.
No, I love Selena Gomez. You know, I even love her Betty Blanco album. I didn't listen to that. That like whisper. Not my business.
If she's back in the booth, I'm happy for her.
Okay, I'm going to hold your hand when I say this. Okay. If you have any information about Walton Goggins and Amy Lee Wood no longer following each other on Instagram and him posting a carousel of them from the White Littles finale set to Silver Springs, I need to know more. I need to know why. No, something happened. Something happened. Not their storyline being real. Like, what the fuck?
Except for, unlike Chelsea. Was that her name, Chelsea? Sure. Amy Lee Wood said, I'm not going down with this ship. Hold on. She said, I'm not going to die in Thailand. What?
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I've been back to Chicago since then, but one of my favorite trips as a child was going to Chicago to go to the American Girl doll store with auntie. And we had tea with my American Girl dolls. And actually, oh my God, wait. I literally, I need to post this photo. I went to the American Girl doll store. And did you ever read American Girl, the magazine? That was never my gospel or truth.
I really did. I was so hungry. I literally had not eaten all day. Yeah, we're survivors of Chicago. Yes, but actually, I have to say one more thing. Shout out to my mom, because when I was in Chicago, I lived with my mom. Girl, I came home. I was like, who runs this house? Yeah. Because I know it's not my mother. It is Remy Whitney Lanithia Harris.
She was out, didn't take a nap time, none of that. I was like, she was under my mom's bed, just having the time of her life. I was like, what are you doing under there? She needed her free time. It is funny that my mom was like, I'm a pretty strict black mother. Yet when the grandbaby comes over, no rules, nothing. Remy runs the house. I was like, this is crazy. Well, I'm happy that we're home.
I did get off guard twice this week, last week. So a lot of things could have been worse. Anyway, what are we talking about this week? Oh, the White Lotus, the White Lotus finale. A little song by Ariana Grande called Dandelion. And you asked, we listened, and we locked in. We're talking about Temptation Island. So let me just say this. I love that big pregnant pause. Let me say this.
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We are gathered here today to talk about the White Lotus season three finale. So spoiler alert if you haven't watched. If you have watched and you didn't think that the monkeys did it, join us at the adult table. Because everyone thought the monkeys did it. Girl. We'll be at the grown folks' table.
No. I'm kind of like totally ambivalent. I'm right down the middle. Some parts really worked for me. Some parts of the finale really didn't. Yeah. I feel like I just broke even. I didn't spend a lot. I didn't save a lot. Should we get ahead of who died? Yeah, yeah. So quick recap of the finale.
The major points were that Timothy Ratliff was ready to kill his family, Jim Jones style, with everyone drinking the Kool-Aid. If you watch the studio, you know what I'm talking about. Then he, at the last minute, said, I want to take it back. His son, Lachlan, though...
accidentally almost died came back to life like jesus um who suffered less than dr robbie on the pit but we'll get to that another time and then what's his name walton goggins he like he finally met up with his man who thought he thought killed his dad turned out to be his father turned out to be his father so when he shot him and then he got shot walton goggins many such cases chelsea got shot a little bit of shotgun rider till the day i die two most wanted
And then what else happened? Oh, then the three friends were like, we love each other. Just like I fucking said was going to happen. I said, if this is a girl's trip, like any girl's trip in real life or a trip on Housewives, we fuss, fuss, fuss every day of the trip. At the end of the trip, it's like, well, I actually do love you more than anyone else in my entire life.
Should I get down? Good Lord. I get the critiques that like his plot ultimately did not mean a ton in the big scheme of things. Mm-hmm. But I did really like him and Mook. No, no, wait, wait for it, wait for it. Okay. Mook being like, I ain't a soldier by Destiny's Child. And Gaituk being like, okay, you know what? That's not me, actually. It's time to get your money up, okay?
Yeah, like Gaituk being like, and that's not me. And he tried to, you know, try to be a big man. Didn't really work. Mm-hmm. But he ends it all with a job that he wanted, which is being a driver. That's where he belongs. That is where he belongs. Oh, my God. I think he might be the best actor on the show, though.
Because tell me how, as guy talk, I'm like, I don't give a fuck about this guy and his, like, whatever. Yeah. But in real life, him singing No Diggity, I was like, oh.
But that's what I mean. He's a good actor.
Yes. It was actually a really – talk about historical fiction. Like, it was really educating the youth. Anyway, no, so I went to the American Girl doll store when I was, like, maybe eight or nine years old. And my first foray into magazine publishing, there was, like, a modeling thing where you could, like, get your photo on the cover of an American Girl magazine.
Yeah, I liked her in The Idol. I thought she was really good.
Yeah. I mean, it was a small role.
Totally. Sorry. You thought otherwise? Sorry. Totally. A hundred percent. I thought that was actually quite obvious. Yeah.
god forbid i just have a big heart and open mind i don't know no no no i mean it is a small role that does not really bother me i guess what i was more confused by is like why are we spending so much time for what is ultimately not that complicated of a story you know it's like we didn't need scenes every single episode to establish that she wants him to be like oh my god what did that girl from love is mine say boss up i need you to boss up not once he's
That's basically what happened on the show, except we spent like hours and hours building up to something that was ultimately pretty simple.
Okay, let me say this. Can we talk about the family? Yeah, I was going to say. I was going to take it there because I loved the Piper arc. Piper, no, like I, that was funny to me. That was so funny. Piper being like, her being like, I'm coming here without a thesis, but with a dream.
I want to dedicate my life and like live in a monastery kind of thing. And then her being like, But there's no AC and the food isn't even vegan. And she said, girl, I need some fucking Chick-fil-A. Like, that was so funny. Her looking at her mom and being like, I do need the soft life.
But it's unfortunate. I thought that the Piper actress, Sarah Catherine Hook, was not as strong in that scene as Parker Posey looking at her with such like Parker Posey. I mean, she was giving glee. She was giving like satisfaction, smug, obnoxious. She was like, and actually at the end of the day, you are the daughter I raised. You do need to be within a Bergdorf Goodman at the end of the day.
You are exactly who I told you you are. You Yes.
And I did that with two of my dolls, with Addie and another doll. It was actually really special. Anyway, so we were in Chicago. That all happened in Chicago. Yeah. We went to Chicago to lose an Ambie award. Yeah, but we won the baddest bitch award. We were looking really hot for the Ambie awards. But at the same time, if I'm going to lose an award, it better be to Stevie Wonder.
I thought her costumes were funny in that they were like the very kind of like bland white girl, like dairy boy dresses.
I know, but it's like, but that's someone who doesn't have a real personality or sense of direction, which is what she was trying to see. She went to the internet and said, give me a sense of direction that's not like the other white girls. And she came up with going to Thailand. I almost said Taiwan, like the mom. And wouldn't that be accurate? The Parker Posey of the group. Period.
And I, excuse me, and I'll write for her too. Parker Posey, get behind me. The way, I'm sorry, that was like kind of the performance of the entire season. The way that she looked at her daughter and she said, and I knew you were a dumb bitch because that's how I raised you. Like she was, oh, that was so good. Yeah. A lot of people have a lot of empathy for Saxon. I'm like, yeah, whatever.
But I will say, Patrick impressed me as an actor.
Pause for a second and say that. A lot of people have revealed themselves to not be staircase watchers. The staircase was one of the best shows on HBO that literally no one paid attention to, made no noise. Parker Posey.
Yes. There's one scene of Parker Posey in the staircase that truly was the performance of that year for me. I never wrote about that, but I really should have. It was staggering. She was doing such good work. Yeah.
Recovering? Oh, no, you are recovering because you piss me off all the time and you... You said, I am not trying to please me. As a people, I am not pleased.
All of it. I see you and I hear you and I think that you're correct. Because the way that I did that point, too, was crazy. No, I think you're right. I think it was weird that we end on them just kind of like, well, oh, shucks. They still have to go back home and not be able to afford our house anymore. I do wish we got to see the family reacting to not having no money. But I don't know.
It's like, at the end of the day, though, the Timothy Ratliff character, just, we kept going back to that well again and again, and it never really connected or felt strong enough for me.
And that's why I lost it too.
Well, when I saw the blender, I said, I hope they have other glasses for those, like, Mai Tai, whatever drink they had. Pina Colada. Because a man doesn't know how to wash a dish. No. And that's exactly what happened. No.
To Stevie Wonder, Wesley Morris, and the Obamas. That's allowed. Like, oh, sorry. Sorry. If I had to select an op, like a team of ops, it would be people that I actually respect. That's beautiful, actually. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of the highest compliment I've ever given. How was Chicago for you?
Ever heard of it? A who? Chekhov's gun. Chekhov's blender. Uh-uh. Well, it had the poison in it and you saw it and it was like, oh my God. Oh, okay.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, we are so back. We're so back. Hey! Back and better, do you think? No. Back and the same, probably. Actually, I am doing better. I'm doing better than I was before because over winter break, I developed two kinds of sicknesses. Let's start with the flu. The flu drop kicked my ass. The flu beat me to a pulp. She got her lick in. I'll say that.
I said, ooh, it's over for him. It's over for him. You got, what's her name? Amber Tamblyn?
I love her complicated name. Like the three of them, sorry. When the three of them are linking and building behind their sister, I said, and that sequel is looking tougher and tougher to come to fruition. I don't know.
Oh, well, hopefully a Sisterhood sequel again. But and then the sequel of It Ends With Us or It Starts With Us, which would be the second one.
Yeah. I mean, I feel like the thing that we had come to when we were just texting about this is like two things can be true.
She could suck. And that has nothing to do with her being mistreated and no reason for her to be mistreated by Justin Baldoni or even in this way by these female publicists that are keying over her being slandered online. And like both things are happening and both things are true and both people can suck.
No, look at me. Like I told you, it's Housewives. This is like on the same caliber of the kind of feuding that we are seeing there. But like, wow, how many lawsuits is that right now? That's like four at least.
I mean, nothing ever really sat right with me with like the way that his press interviews were going. And the juxtaposition between that, that's where I'm like, oh, we all hate women because everyone's like, well, Blake Lively is promoting this movie. Like, you know, what did she say? She was like, put on your florals and come down to the theater to watch a movie about domestic violence.
Like, right. Is that great? No. But I what's only worse than that is a man trying to parade as like the ultimate feminist rather than giving any kind of like time and space to like his female co-stars or like the people he worked with. Like it never sat right with me and my spirit the way that he talked about this film. That was a little too like holier than thou.
Also, I don't like his face that much. Something about it doesn't sit right with me either.
Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping it just ends with that. It ends with us. And then we end it there because I have so many qualms with that movie. I can't even begin. That's again, go back to whatever episode we talked about it before. But yeah, truly, I'm hoping that the story ends here. But I do want to see how this all plays out, at least legally.
So it's starting.
Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
Oh. Oh, you want to talk about it?
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Hunter is... I bravely soft launched, hard launched on Instagram. Yeah, she's wiped out. And Hunter has been... People are going to think you're actually married.
I'm doing it with my chest. And co-host of podcast Las Culturistas, Matt Rogers with us today. Welcome, Matt.
Like listeners. Listeners. Yeah. We're workshopping it.
Okay. And we will. And we have more to say. What an honor.
And we had so many good guests this year. I mean. I know you had Mariah Carey.
A natural succession. Yes. Yes. You're kind of the Cynthia Erivo and Ariana of podcasting.
Okay, well, this is how bisexuality exists.
The way that I am a little bit of a messy lesbian, but I'm the one with the crying heart of gold, and I'm a sensitive queen, and Hunter is a hater to record.
Yeah, yeah. And Hunter... Well, I mean, who knows? In lesbian months, yeah, I'm married. Oh my god, U-Haul is booked. But Hunter has been praying for this. Praying for this moment. For... Hunter's like the real ally is Hunter waiting for this...
Young journalist in question. Young journalist in the room with us right now. Wow.
Yeah. And that tiny dog. Her little dog.
Accessory of the year. Pilaf? Yeah. Yes. Yes.
Wow. Yeah, come on, class war. What? It's crazy. Okay, but we have to ask you, what is in for 2025 and what is out for 2025?
According to Matt Rogers.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Hmm. Hmm. Okay. You're pro tipping culture, but you're anti-public transportation. And that is a dynamic man.
You're like, cancel public transportation. Get your ass in an Uber.
No, and now you said something radical. Now you said something real.
Absolutely. How did you get those cavities then? Sometimes and often over. Don't start. See, that was private. I didn't even want to talk about the cavity on the pod. Damn it. Okay.
Needing tipping culture.
Did you watch Selling Sunset?
That seems up your alley.
Queen, my lesbian queen.
Wait, you went straight to the source.
I watched the whole thing. You did? We both watched it over Christmas. I watched the whole thing. The way I press play is because I saw a tweet. It was a clip of Linda and Kate moaning. I said, and I'm in.
So that's my love language is lesbianism.
Like I got the vibe that like. And he showed once and I would watch.
Are you retiring by Coastal then?
Okay, Matt, we are almost at one year of Tina Fey telling you in her iconic, I don't think so, honey, that you have one year left before you can legally stop giving your real opinions. So coming up on that time, one, how are you going to spend these last couple of months of freedom? And while it's still safe, is there anything you want to say?
Some final shit.
Not me, devil. Yeah. Yeah.
Ugh. Oh, that Reddit page just actually started ticking right now. All those 100 cardinals got online.
Yeah, it's a time and a place. Time and a place for that film. Yeah.
Oh, I haven't seen Maria yet. Haven't seen it yet. Yeah.
Dimensions did not matter. Still hit.
Oh. Oh, that's so sweet.
You're doing incredible PR for them right now.
No idea how to pronounce either of their names, but absolutely.
I think she's... She was not Zendaya, but the other girl. Anyway, so don't put light skins against each other. You know they're sensitive. That's your people. You put Megan Zendaya all the time.
And to be clear, it had the essence of a fan cam. It gave fan edit. It didn't give like organic me and my homies the way normal people post.
Yeah. Posting with no context is always like leaving too much room for interpretation. Like that is intentional. And the video itself was from I think maybe a year ago, if not more.
But it's one thing to be like, let me be clear. Me and this man have almost essentially no relationship. But she has a man, a fiance, I believe. Laura's fiance is so fine that I understand why she said, you won't get me. You won't wreck this home. She said, because I'm keeping my man. He's a good man, Savannah. No, he is fine as fuck. I understand why she was like, please don't play in my face.
Like, delete this right now.
No, that was so great. And didn't on the same live, he said like Rosa Parks should have taken a cab.
But like this has become public. Like you posted it.
Yeah. Or just like pull a Justin Baldoni and get someone else to post it and then boost it. Like, obviously, there's a lot of everything is a circle, not a line. But I will I want to reiterate something that you always say and has always been true, which is men do not deserve Wi-Fi. They don't deserve 4G. They don't deserve LTE. Like this is what happens when we give them access to the Internet.
And Shameik more particularly never needs to be online again. But the one thing I will stand with him in solidarity is his tweet. Oh, God. That said, someone had asked him if he likes white girls. And he replied saying, white girls, do I? Megan Fox, Vanessa Hudgens, spelled wrong. V-E-N-E-S-S-A. And Allison from Twilight.
Mind you, it's Alice from Twilight, but he kind of ate that one little thing. I'll only give him that.
Don't ever say, don't wish that upon me.
I truly think if you liked Anastasia, then you had the ability to love Nosferatu. Think about it.
He is so me in that one regard, I have to say. That's the only thing I will let him have. Everything else, take it away.
Yeah. Get that bowl of soup and get to work, girl. We got more for you. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are too online, so you don't have to be.
And I said it before and I'll say it again. If you are an Anastasia Gurley, get your ass to the theater and go ahead and stan Nosferatu.
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Oh, I was like, how did she find a lip liner in those times?
I love your life. I was like hung over in shambles and hunters like marching through the Brooklyn streets. And I'm like in Evan's bed hoping to find God. What did you do on New Year's Eve? Did you have a big New Year's Eve? Yeah, I did one of those things where I was like, I'm not going to go out. I'm 30. I'm not going to go out wasted. Wasted as hell. I'm like, what's after?
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It was horrendous. And it led me to something even more horrendous. Oh, God. Which is. Rony. A rony view. And I said, you know what? I'm laying down. It's time to lock in. You know, I got to respect my co-host. I got to respect our group chat. Rony updates.
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You turned your homework in on time. I know that about you, queen. The way I read the New York Times story and I said, and let me just give me 10 minutes and then Hunter will give you the tea on the full deposition or whatever it's called.
And I'm grateful. If you're not familiar, which you probably are because it ends with us, the adoption of Colleen Hoover's book grossed about $351 million off of a $25 million budget. So a little chunk of change for the girls. And Colleen Hoover already, I believe, picked a side. She seems to be standing on the Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni battle, if you will.
I need to respect myself. Yeah. But then I was like, oh, Hunter, like, wakes up and goes to bed with these women. I'm so scared for your home. I'm so scared for your health. I'm so scared for the woman that you are. I was like, I like have to sage the room. I have to like listen to a meditation after I watch this show. It's crazy.
But let's break down quick timeline, right, of like what happened and when.
First, August 2nd, Baldoni hires PR queenie Melissa Nathan.
Wait, also August 9th is my anniversary. That is so funny that we are all synced up there.
And then on December 21st, Blake Lively files a complaint in California and the New York Times story drops.
The girls are fighting. This is some housewives status stuff.
Pausing for a moment, does all this information shock you? And what was, like, your immediate response to seeing all these allegations?
Yeah, that's a different conversation we can also have because the movie on its own feels like it's separate thing. But it does feel, of course, ironic that this is all coming out for a movie that is about domestic violence and a man that was promoting it with his full chest. Like, yes, this was his baby. Yeah. And this is now all happening.
I'm not sure. I would assume so. And Amber Heard, I believe, has also spoken out and sided with Blake Lively. A lot of people are weighing in.
Yeah. And just like their sheer joy of even seeing things that were happening organically, including a reference to a Selenator tweet. And they were like, what did they say? They wanted to essentially build the saying, No, that was from Justin Baldoni. Yeah, no, no. I know. That's what I'm saying is that like this is what we need.
Like we need to like get a viral tweet that tears down Blake Lively. All the moments that she, you know, maybe had a poor interview, including one that we've talked about before on a previous episode where I don't remember what year it was from, but someone had congratulated her on her baby. And she to a woman that wasn't pregnant, then congratulated her on her baby.
No reason. But they stand by what they said. So there is that. But I feel like I want to get to also the reactions of the story, which I've been kind of nodding at, which is a lot of people now engaging with this, which the New York Times story, and correct me if I'm wrong, Justin Balnoti's qualm with it is being like, well, these are all alleged. These are not confirmed cases.
So like you reporting this, making it sound like this was fact is kind of part of the problem. Is that right?
So sit with that. I mean, but there's also so many people that are, well, the Colleen Hoover of it all siding with her. And then Amy Schumer posting like a I Believe Blake Instagram story. I don't even know if they're friends. That type of white woman seemed to be in cahoots. So like, fine, sure. And then when the sisterhood of the traveling pants... Legends linked up to stand in solidarity.
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Yeah.
100%.
Yes, right. Oh. Me. Who were you looking for?
You're busy going to Sephora. Buying your own product. To see yourself. Get your ass to Sephora.
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Let's celebrate that.
I'm accustomed to this kind of dynamic. No, you had it right the first time.
Wow.
Wait, so what did you think? I thought it was fun.
Oh, no.
Kendrick? Oh, Kendrick Lamar. Yeah.
And I was like, wait, the fact that after all of this, she was fucking annoying on Twitter is like, it's like, that's a, hold on, that's a British part. Yeah. And to top it off, she was annoying on Twitter.
I don't really think so. But in an interview, she did say that she would love to write in The Handmaid's Tale. Like that would be her next dream job. I'm like, oh, my sister. She's so unwell. It's so hard to wrap my mind around, especially where like in the very end of the documentary or like in the last episode when her wife, who she's like been, you know, a vulture, a literal vampire. Yeah.
Like confronts her and she's like, well, you didn't have cancer and you didn't know anyone at the shooting and you didn't have an abortion and your brother didn't abuse you, all of this stuff. And she just like according to her wife said, yes, you're right. Yes. Yes. You're right. Admitted to all of it, immediately recanted, took it all back.
And like, you know, it's never really been heard from in a professional capacity since. But that's like the slimiest part of it too, is to like admit to all of it in private and not have any interest in like repairing the lives of these children that you've been an absentee mother to. Not only an absentee mother, an annoyed, a bitchy mother. A bitchy mother.
During the pandemic, she was like in like a Zoom writer's room and she was annoyed about it. And her kids were like... She would never want to play with us. She would never want to do anything with us. She would be so mad that she was stuck inside with us and would, like, go to these hotel rooms to write. I was like, mm, mm, mm.
I flaked that woman on the plane. That motherfucker is not real. Like, no, I'm sorry.
Like, it's all adding up. I think, okay, wait, this is my last thought about this. But like, there's something about just the absolute like brat summer brazenness with what she did all of this stuff. I think it was after the funeral of like her wife's ex-husband, like the abuser.
And she's like with the kids or maybe it was like around the COVID time, but during some time she was with the kids and like she was like, they were, you know, upset about something. She's like, well, I'm missing Emmys. I was nominated and I'm missing Emmys. And it's like cut to everyone who worked in Grey's Anatomy 3. She was not nominated for an Emmy. Yeah, she wasn't cooking like that.
She was not cooking like that. She was not invited to the Emmy. She was not nominated for an Emmy. There was not an Emmy in her name. They just shared an E. It was one of those things that I'm like, oh, you low down dirty dog in the gutter. Yeah, yeah. I hope you choke.
I'm glad they did. What does every Black mother say? Trust people when they show you who they are the first time. Everyone in that room should be giggling and cackling. Because they were right. Because they were right. Eight are up.
No, I love them. Let me take them off. I love them so much, though. I feel my power is decreasing when they're gone. Yeah, settle in. Okay, well, I don't really have any... I was like, what did I do this weekend? Watched stuff. I watched a lot of stuff, which we'll get to.
Well, well, well. Hey, don't say it like that. When I got onto this microphone, the first thing I heard you say is, well, I was drunk, so... And we'll get to that. But first we have to get to these.
I'm calling you in. We don't need no more blink twice. Society has moved past the need for blink twice. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just going to blink once.
I wasn't surprised by the breakup, but I was surprised that it kind of came so randomly. Like I thought it was going to come like a little bit longer after Blink Twice. Yeah. But it kind of seemed like that movie just came out this summer, right? Like it just seemed like a quick progression. Yeah.
Just, like, you know, a constant kind of, like, affirmation of their love, which I thought was, like, it's very cute to see, like, you're saying, Hembo, man who, like, motor mouth about how much he loves his GF. Yeah. And then her being, like, a lot more quiet, demure, like, leaving a lot up to their imagination. Demure.
I think she is. I think she's, I think she gives us that persona. She's very, like she doesn't really do a lot of press. And when she does, it's always just a fucking YSL photo shoot.
Excuse me. They're pretty mum about each other. What about the photo he posted of her like curled up in his arms and he's shirtless. I sleep on his lap. Yeah, sure. So he looks like this a million times and I'll say it a million more because it's correct. It's like a newborn fought like the father of a newborn who's in the hospital doing like skin to skin contact in that photo.
I think she broke up with him here. I'll tell you why. Because. Okay. All right. First of all, this breakup happened like last weekend and it was in people like four days later. That's such a weirdly fast timeline for something that feels amicable. Do you know what I mean?
Then she was shooting something in LA or in New York. He was shooting something in North Carolina. Yeah.
halloween weekend she's out page six he's her partying which listen respect no judgment from me but then he's posting like moody photos from this like prison movie he's shooting like outside of a toys r us like hunched over in black and white i said oh he got dumped like no i i respect it but also sorry i just got lost at prison movie
I knew the camera was off for a reason. I was like, I've seen her get on the camera beat before, like looking busted.
No, I need my glasses when you're going to talk so mean about me. I need my emotional support. Cunty little glasses.
Like it was from the back. Yeah. It kind of reminded me of the like almost nude shot that Ben Affleck had in Gone Girl. If you remember that at the very end of Gone Girl.
Sorry, I'm a big Ben Affleck head.
Yeah, I guess. I was like, okay, your type.
No, no, no. I have to disagree. Did you not see? Well, first of all, we talked about this. After the divorce was finalized, the six-year divorce over the financial money stuff, Jenna Dewan posted that a photo of Nicole Kidman arm outstretched after she finalized her divorce from Tom Cruise. Okay.
Now, keep that in mind when I tell you that just as the Channing Zoe news was breaking, Jenna Dewan's fiance, who she has two kids with, posted all caps on his story, like, you know, full screen text, which I swear if I met God tomorrow on my hands and knees, I would say that was a reference to the 2010 Sony email hack incident.
It was just like such an iconic, I don't know if you like read and reread the Sony email hacks, which I often do. It was like one of the most famous emails to come out of that hack. Other than Amy Pascal saying that she bet Barack Obama liked Django Unchained. That after like, I think it was after 22 Jump Street became like the number two like R-rated movie of all time, like opening weekend.
R-rated comedy, I should say. And then he was like, oh, suck it, like Cate Blanchett. And like sent this like 4,000 words of just ha-ha's. And it was funny. It was like, wow, crazy. Suck a Cate Blanchett. No, you knew where you were. I was in Piano Row for that email.
I mean, he can still be a nice man. I mean, like you said, all breakups are amicable.
Alpha Gang sounds like a movie an interracial couple would make, just to be clear. That sounds about right.
How long were you in Palm Springs for?
Oh my gosh. Okay, wait. I do think about often the half second that she dated Chris Pine. That was like kind of, they were like walking around. Soho together, like, one day that it's, like, a paparazzi shot. And then I also think about her and Pam Badgley, yes. But then I think about her ex-husband, Carl Glusman, who's an actor. He was in something recently, but I can't remember what it was.
Anyway, I just kind of got the vibe that, like, he was, like, too much of, like, a super fan of hers. And, like, that's why they got divorced so quickly during COVID.
Yes. And it felt like a week of my life. I was thinking you were out there for like literally seven to nine days. Oh, just based on the social posts I've been seeing.
Aside from us. I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. I want her to date someone, like, French or British or something. I'm like, she's dated too many American guys. Like, enough is enough.
I could totally see her like in the kind of like Salma Hayek thing where it's like, oh, you're married to someone extremely like wealthy and powerful. And yet that's like the eighth most important thing about you. Yes. Yeah. And then for Channing, I don't know. He needs to, if he walks around Williamsburg long enough, he'll find someone new.
If he goes to like the massage place that he and I both go to, he'll find someone new.
Oh my god, he would tear up Clandestino. Are you kidding? He'd be skateboarding around.
Or Keanu Reeves and like that art dealer, you know, or like some kind of like, she's either an artist or a scientist. You know, what's the difference?
Hmm. Peyton. What? Have you listened to the new Tyler album?
I'm wondering if you feel represented as a Los Angeles bisexual.
what sorry okay well either but yes i do feel sorry continue i was listening to it i was like oh my gosh album about being bi living in la driving a car i wonder this is peyton's story
How'd you like it? I loved it. You're kind of a little Tyler stan now. Not now. I've been one since Flower Boy, actually. You can call me Northwest the way I'm a Tyler the Creator stan.
But it can be for the right price. No, I love this album. And I felt like it is such a complete... I don't know. It feels like so vulnerable and so like actually dealing with thinking about like what parenthood could be like both reflexively as like Tyler's own parents and then also how he would parent.
And like thinking about being a parent. The last whatever, two songs, three songs, the one where he says called Like Him, where his mom tells him that like his dad like wanted to be more of a father, but she didn't feel ready. And that's kind of like the original wound of Tyler's like whole discography. You know, like his dad was pretty absentee.
Well, wait, what album is this?
Ally. If anyone that we know has the stamina to keep up, it's definitely Evan. Evan Nicole Brown. Well, I didn't do really anything else this weekend. Halloween lasted until damn near Tuesday afternoon. Absolutely.
I don't even know if that's shade.
Oh, brother. What were some of your favorite tracks? I loved, I made a list. Sticky, the one with Sexy Red and Glowrilla. Darling Eye and Like Him. Okay. And Lil Wayne. And I also liked the one where, what is it called? Oh, Judge Judy. I liked that one. And then I also wrote down my favorite lines because I knew you'd ask. Of course. Yeah. Hit me.
One of them better be included that I think... Okay, go. Okay, I have a prediction for you. Five in the morning, I be hatin' on shit. Ten in the evening, I be hatin' on shit. Oh, that doesn't sound like me? Okay. No, Hunter has that tattooed on her lower back, by the way. Okay, this one. allergies to bum niggas. I see you. My eyes itching. Hunter was like, oh, this is a Bible.
This is what I should have been reading growing up. I take a Zyrtec every morning just because of the men in Brooklyn. And there was another one, the one about pronouns. Like, I don't use pronouns like I'm that nigga and that bitch. I was like, that's funny. That's clever.
He shook it up with that one. Tyler on Love is Blind. White mom. Yeah. We'll get to it. No, we'll get to it. Don't worry. I've never liked Sexy Red, like never enjoyed Sexy Red as much as I have on Sticky. Yeah. It just feels like I sense Tyler's strength as like a producer arranger on this album specifically.
Like you can feel his kind of prowess, how he can put together such a song that feels like different from every other song on the album, but also feels like totally in step with what's popular right now.
She was Tyler for Halloween from Igor Arum, which is even more random. It's like she's not new to this. She's true to this. I don't get the appeal.
I saw his show at MSG two or three years ago. Absolutely got COVID there. And it was so weird to see like a bunch of white boys like doing a mosh pit. And I'm like, wait, I'm sorry. This song is about like loving black women, but also loving white boys. Like, it's just so, I was like, do you, are you listening to the lyrics?
Remy had two costumes in a day and that was enough for us. But I was mad because I specifically wore my early voting sticker. So when we walked around the neighborhood for like trick-or-treating, then people would be like, oh my gosh, thank you for your vote.
I think at my show, he saw white boys say the N-word and was like, oh, stop. You right there. Hold on.
Would you cancel me if I said Tyler, the creator, sound alike at my house? $50 prize.
No prize money? Oh, you're a nasty girl.
Okay, I kind of do, just out of like morbid curiosity, need Miss Liz Finch to drop her makeup routine for looking jaundiced.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
No, he voted. He simply voted for Obama again. A third time.
God, by this time we'll know the election results. Uh-uh, too spooky. Scarier than any Halloween costumes. Too spooky. Okay, what are we talking about this week, girl? Are you ready to talk about the Grey's Anatomy docuseries, Anatomy of Lies? That was actually the freakiest, scariest stuff I've ever seen. Absolutely. We're talking about that.
We're talking about Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz calling off their engagement, can you believe? Right? This close to Halloween when every mixed couple just, you know, it's like one tree fallen in the woods.
I knew what it... I know interracial couples love doing that. What else were you talking about? Not too much. Okay, we're talking about, oh, Tyler, the Creator's new album, Chromacopia.
Okay. It is rare that I watch true crime. It is rare that I also watch more than, I don't know, two hours of anything that's not rony TV-wise. But girl, my Peacock app was working overtime because this Grey's Anatomy-focused show, Anatomy of Lies, about the Grey's writer who faked cancer and other things, I was at the edge of my seat. I was scared to go to bed at night.
Did you not feel the same way? Hunter said, I got to lock my door. Elizabeth Finch might be coming through. I said, oh, just like the brazenness with which she lied about every single thing in her life. Yeah. Okay. So name them. Name a few. Some background. The series is about Elizabeth Finch, a writer for Grey's Anatomy who faked her cancer diagnosis, for sure faked that.
Maybe also like very likely that she also faked a sexual harassment claim, a sexual abuse claim, and an abortion story that went viral.
on now this there's vanity fair wait that was so derogatory the way it's on now this well at that point i'm like well they made me believe too much now that no now let me tell you this yeah okay sorry so there's a very fair expose about her that came out in 2022 but this docuseries goes into the story more in depth including some time that she spent at an inpatient facility
Mailing them out. How dare you even think I would do such a thing? No. You forced me to buy these overpriced sunglasses. I hate the mail.
Maybe because she needed to, but also very definitely for research where she met a woman and like they kind of started up a romance and then she continued to like terrorize this woman's family. Nasty work. There's not a lot of true crime that I like, but like, oh my gosh, I loved this. I thought it was very well done.
She didn't write on Friday Night Lights. Oh, that was part of one of her lies. As she was faking cancer.
oh killer killer killer as she was faking cancer she like started this whole like grassroots internet so buzzfeed campaign to like get the people on red night lights to what did they say like write state on a piece of paper yeah yeah for her health out of solidarity for her like cancer diagnosis like oh my god no okay now i'm pissed all over again
You have to talk about the way that she faked the cancer, the way that she put yellow makeup on her face to make her look jaundiced. Honestly, she's a writer first. The way she, like, faked having a port in her chest for chemotherapy. The way that she would, like, shave her head. All of this stuff.
The way she'd be like, oh, sorry, I have chemo.
A hundred percent. And the context with which she like told this lie that her brother had committed suicide was, I guess at that point it was her fiance, eventual wife's like abusive ex-husband had like, spoiler alert, shot himself. And she was like kind of pulling focus from a woman who had already been through so much, which was like the most despicable part of all of that.
It's like- Yes, of course. And on top of this, you're making her like abusive dead husband- also about yourself. And I think coming back to that, the stuff about how she had basically attached herself to this woman in the in-treatment facility totally manipulated her after this woman had been through a hugely monumental abusive marriage.
And just extracting every story, every experience from her was devastating to watch. And the doc interviews that woman extensively. And it did feel like it was handled very sensitively for her. You can even see the way that
Like, I'm locking the door double-bolt. Child, let me lock the door. Yes. You're so nasty. No, I'm like a different girl in these sunglasses. I've been running around town. They're actually cute. They look so cute on me. They do. But you're pissing me off. I feel like for the first like 10 minutes of every interaction when it's like, oh, the glasses are staying on. Totally.
Totally. And it's such that thing of like this relationship just seems totally transactional because she was literally using their stuff, pitching it in the Grey's Anatomy room. Yeah. Like she was using the inpatient stuff, using her like eventual wife's trauma around her own like nursing, all of this stuff because that woman was a nurse. Yeah. I was like, what is wrong with you?
How do you look at this family? And you're like, oh my God, what stories can I use them to tell on television? Even the therapist, even like the type of therapy that she had done that her wife had also done in this treatment facility where they met, she even used that and then took the woman's damn therapist. I was like, oh my God.
I think it was just that like every single thing, which one of the women who was also in the Grey's writers room brought this up, that every single thing that seemed to happen in the news, every trending topic, this woman, Liz Finch, had a story about it. Oh, abortion rights are under fire. Guess what? I was going through chemotherapy and had to have an abortion. Oh, the Me Too movement.
Guess what? I was abused on the set of Vampire Diaries. all of this stuff was piling up and she's like writing little essays, op-eds about every single one of them. And it's like, hold on, sweetheart, you're the Forrest Gump of like trending topics on the internet in 2018. Like make it make sense because it's not adding up in my head.
And then the Tree of Life shooting, she had a personal and direct connection to that too. Like new people who died, like, all of this comes together and you are simply like, you know, one step away from every major historical action. This is insane. This is insane.
It's like the person I'm speaking to, like that connects for them. I'm not taking my glasses off.
Girl, it's all of that and more, according to me. Okay. mental health and not professional, according to me. The other thing, though, that you bring up is that, like, she would, like, live tweet every single thing that was happening in her life.
And also, like, one of the women in the room was like, oh, like, while we were doing Grey's Anatomy, she would talk a lot about her diagnosis and stuff, but, like, try to, like, keep it very vague. Someone who's begging you to ask more Yeah. But then online, she would be like, da-da-da-da-da-da, just like motor mouth on the keys, like tweeting about every single thing she'd ever done.
I just, I wanted it for her. Okay, here's a speech that I was like, this either has to be so good or it's going to be nothing. Zoe Saldana and first supporting actress.
And it would totally, yeah, it would get so messed up.
No, it would get messed up. It would get the cat, it would be a mess. Well, I'm just trying to incept it into you that, yeah, like I'm affirming that. Yeah. And you love yourself so much. And I can't do a dog. So what am I going to do? You're the godmother who got up.
all I can do is have a dog and I was like well that's how good the CGI is Jake Sully I trusted you I was like but like there was her speech was great no she was great I thought that was so good she does despite I don't feel like she's as overdue as some people did but there is like a kind of journey woman's actor to her where I'm like oh you really have like been around for a
Although not mentioning trans rights and also what you said about in the press room about like Amelia Perez is like not supposed to.
Represent Mexican. Yeah. Mexican Mexicans.
I'm sorry, girl. Turn it on a little bit. I said the spirit of Nina Simone.
That's why I hate it. His wife is so beautiful.
I do think that at the beginning of his speech, it did feel like a little bit more passionate and like, wow, this is so crazy. Like I've been in a showbiz family and I finally like now we have an Oscar. That was nice. But then it's like, oh, then it turns to the white stuff and it's like, eh.
Yeah. And isn't the best relationship? Yeah. Yeah. You tap in to tap out. I do. Totally. How have you been? Oh, Miss Beach. Oh, Miss Artist Way. Miss Rockaway.
It was a lot more meaningful.
I'm going to say my speech of the night, I'm going to shake the table, was the brutalist composer.
Daniel Bloomberg. Kissed on the mouth.
First of all, that was... Did not expect that to happen at all. Gave a little smooch. Got up there. My pale king. Loved. He has some of the Shalami disease. He just looks so handsome and like indoors.
He was giving hunched over. I love poor posture.
There's no other explanation. Yeah. It was fascinating. Him like singing at the very end of his speech, like teasing kind of the Amelia Perez people. I was like, honestly, go ahead on. Someone has to be for justice here.
Someone had to tease them.
That was brutalist. But I also want to say I loved the wicked costume designer.
The first black man in the category. I just looked up this morning. He's a Grammy away from an EGOT. Okay. Oh, that's going to be a Grammy. I bet he can sing.
We can't do that here. Okay, the other thing, okay, now let's talk about the James Bond. That's actually before we talk about the moment.
Here's what's on my mind today. Say it. You and like a young mother, like a teen mom is like, oh, my daughter, we raised each other. I had her when I was 18. We grew up side by side. That's how I feel. Why? Remy turned two. She's two years old as of March 2nd.
Well, it starts with Margaret Qualley doing the tango.
I like a bitch with a dance background. I know you do. She wants you to know it. What is her connection to James Bond?
To be clear, none of those things happen in Eat, Pray, Love.
But also, we don't need to celebrate Amazon buying James Bond with this big of a tribute when it's like we have no new James Bond announced. We have no even director attached.
She goes to Italy and eats pizza.
She should have gotten an Oscar for her Elvis song, Vegas. Oh, yeah. She should have gotten an Oscar for that. But she was ineligible. And this is what we get instead. Yeah. Wow.
Where was Kelly?
She could have killed that. Yeah, she really could have. Okay, I guess to close, how will we club Shalomaniacs survive?
I can see it on you.
It's already dropped. Many times.
After he lost her tweet, congratulations to Adrian. The Academy has spoken.
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One thing about me, I need a vacation.
That's not true at all. Where are you going next week? Everyone says that, but I'm never on vacation. I'm always at a wedding or on something that's on a vacation. You're like, I'm working. Yeah, it is working. It is working. Let me tell you where I don't want to go. The White Lotus in Thailand. Oh my gosh, what is happening on that show?
Well, season one, we were in Hawaii. For sure. Season two, we were in Sicily. Thank God. And now we're in Thailand at the White Lotus once again. And this season is taking a lot of time to like crystallize.
Yeah. I'm really struggling. I am kind of obsessed with the fact that I think Mike White said a couple years ago that like this season would be about like renewal and kind of life and mortality more so than previous seasons. Okay. Everyone dies in every season, but to be clear.
And it was inspired by that one photo of Lindsay Lohan, like palms raised out, you know, looking in the sun out like there's like a temple of some sort behind her. I think she was in Thailand. My healing era was inspired by that photo, too. A hundred percent. And you know what? I can tell. Oh, thank you. So are you liking the season so far?
And I did not watch the episode that aired during the Oscars because I was simply watching the Oscars.
Let's speak about it. Let's speak about it. Let's speak about it. Because they're taking it right now.
Okay. So we have these three women who are in their, you know, like early to mid 40s. They are friends from growing up. One of them is a famous actress and she's kind of brought her like to, you know, beautiful, fun, but, you know, not famous friends on a trip with her. Many such cases. And we have Leslie Bibb as Kate, Carrie Coon as Lori, and Michelle Monaghan as Jacqueline.
Jacqueline is the famous one. And Carrie Coon, sister. Yeah. You love Carrie Coon? I love Carrie Coon. You would. I love her down. No, I'm saying, yeah.
No, it didn't sound like a threat. Have you watched The Leftovers? No. Oh.
Oh, you got to start from the beginning again. But yes, I love these three women. Yeah. They're the only ones really doing anything for me. And Parker Posey, of course, but we'll get to her. Yeah, but she's, I mean, yeah. Not too bad. Be careful.
Who shocked?
Yeah, clearly.
You don't identify with them? You got a little. I do, but I'm not surprised by it. I also identify with Parker Posey. I want to be lobotomized. I want to be chilling on vacation. I want to be like, don't even look at my direction. I'm not going to say hi. That's how I want to be.
Yeah, that's how I feel about a book that's made the rounds in my home. Oh, Adult Children of Emotionally Unavailable... Parents. Emotionally Unavailable Parents? What is it called?
So the kind of spread of the season is Parker Posey and Jason Isaacs, who was Lucius Malfoy, his sexy ass, in Harry Potter. Ever heard of it?
Their family with like, they have three kids, two sons and a daughter.
Yeah. And then there are the three women and there's Walton Goggins and his like younger wife or girlfriend.
Yeah. With the teeth. With the teeth.
Amy Lou Wood. That's her name. Oh. It's not not working. I mean, I think it's like, yeah, I like it. It's not great. It's a little bit Sean Baker to me, but it's not.
Oh, I thought you were going to talk about his body. And body. I will objectify that man. I just kind of feel like this is kind of my critique of the entire season so far is that it's like hiding the ball too much. What I like about the three women is what I like about, you know, like the rich family from – the Connie Britton family from season one.
It's like you immediately kind of get a sense of the dynamic and there's not so much like filling in the blanks of like why are they here. Yeah. And in season two, this kind of began a little bit. We're spending too much time on like the – what's bringing them all to this like, you know, exotic island destination when – Yeah.
I think I just want something. She has no like motivation right now. Like maybe she's going to have a romance with like the hot masseuse guy. Sure, I would love that. Would love that. I loved her and Jennifer Coolidge in season one where it's like you see Jennifer Coolidge kind of teasing her and then tiring of her. And then you feel the loss from Natasha's side. Yeah.
And in this, I'm kind of like, you're not like building really any connections. No.
Yeah, maybe. I mean, I don't care about him. I don't care about his wife or girlfriend or whatever. I have no interest in that kind of conspiracy murder. Let me tell you who's taking it for me. All right. Parker Posey. Parker Posey. I love Parker Posey. I love alliteration. Parker Posey, Hunter Harris. Damn it. I feel so left out right now.
Yes, totally. I have two copies.
But she was so great.
We've established. One thing that I love about Parker Posey that I hope this brings attention to is that she gave one of my favorite, you know, minor supporting performances of the last few years on HBO in The Staircase. Right. Which, what's his name? Colin Firth. Yes, Schwarzenegger is also in it. Yeah. But yeah, I loved her in The Staircase.
She was, like, so, like, legitimately, she's, like, kind of kooky and then becomes, like, just legitimately so good. Yeah. And in this, I'm kind of like, yeah, I've met that mom before. I went to high school with her daughter. Oh, see, I don't know. That's what she's like.
But I think she's funny. I'm like, who cares? Like, she's being fun.
Let's find out. I want to be sitting at that brunch just coasting.
You raised each other. Touché. Nice one. Good move. Good move. No, I have one that's in my office and one that's in my bedroom. And I still, still have not gotten past page like 30. Oh, you gotta. But the first 35 pages have been like really strong.
Who is he following?
This is the thing. I don't care about who he's following on Instagram. Because I don't care about him. Oh. He does not rise to the level of consciousness for me. I have no, it's like Jack Quaid, no opinion. As an actor or in this character or both? Both. All of it. I'm like, we have, I can't talk about this when we have Glenn Powell among us. Like, all right, no. I'm not, we have Josh O'Connor.
We have Mike Faced at home. No. I know. That's why I'm shocked. I'm not spending a breath on Patrick Ford's character.
You are so annoying. Okay, at the end of the day, the day will end. Who is the murderer? Who do we think? Have you heard the monkey theory? I heard the monkey theory. I hope it's not the monkey theory, though. This is the thing. Everyone's like, have you heard the monkey theory? Yes, I have taken a freshman film course. Yes, yes. They pan to the monkeys. I'm like, all right.
That's how we met, actually. Yeah. I don't think it's the monkeys. I think what's going to happen is it's going to be Jason Isaacs is going to like... Which one is that again? The dad. Oh, oh, oh. With like the insider trading scam or something happening.
I think he's going to like panic and then something's going to happen and he's going to accidentally get shot at by like someone in his family or something like that. I think something's going to go there. But then the only thing about that is that that is kind of like what happened in season one. Right. That whole family just feels so much like the Jake Lacey character in season one to me.
Walton Goggins.
Yeah. I think the multiple bullets. It's not just like one monkey gets a gun and goes crazy.
But, you know, many such cases.
Everything's underlined.
We've got a story. I know so little about this, and I'm ready to learn.
Yes, I'm a genuine learner.
Oh, maybe. What's that other book that people read? Oh, the body keeps the score.
We didn't need that, actually. We didn't need that at all. We all know who it was.
Okay. Are they friends or do they know each other? They just kind of know each other?
They see each other at the Lisa Frank slippers.
No. I've read that, obviously.
And what was her other song? I'm confusing her with Crayshon, I just realized.
Oh, that's the one with the lookalike, with the Travis Parker lookalike. Because at first I thought, I didn't realize Bad Baby was so thick all of a sudden. I was like, is this album about her talking on her father? Then I was like, oh, that's Bad Baby, first of all. And that's, okay. Then I was understanding. That shook the table. That really shook the table. And a lot of tattoos.
Oh, yeah, but it's kind of giving that very much because we have a girl who actually came up through the trenches of daytime television. Survivor. And now has something to say about it versus a rich girl from Calabasas. Right. So, you know. Tread lightly, queen. Yeah. It's a real cultural appropriation, white side.
Oh, yes. I've seen him.
It is funny to imagine like all the chaos in this house. It's like one room. It's Alabama Barker like trying to like figure out what her next move is. The next room is Landon Barker just like. Dancing in the mirror. Yeah. Like, could not care less. Does not know what's going on at all. Looking like a gorgeous lesbian. Wow.
The other part that I thought you were going to bring up that I am obsessed with was Romy Mars. Oh, my God. Romy Mars, the daughter of Sofia Coppola, granddaughter of Princess Ford Coppola, posted a TikTok being like, all I know is that Alabama's always getting her makeup done. She always has full glam to go everywhere. Like, where are you going? She said you're going to the Oscars every week.
Speaking of healing eras, we're talking about The White Lotus this week, set in Thailand in the middle of many people's healing journeys, or so we think. And we're also talking about, not quite healing, there's some healing that needs to happen, Alabama Barker versus Bad Baby.
Yeah. And then she deleted it. And then it got aggregated. And then she was like, I'm not taking sides. I'm just saying. Where is she always going?
No, it truly is.
Oh my God. Romy speaks my language. She's my nepo baby of the year, of the decade.
buy The Artist's Way. I don't know if I'm going to read it yet, but I'm going to buy it.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good place.
Do not respond. Stay safe. Do you think she writes with a pen or do you think she's like all type? Yeah. All type. Yeah. And listen, one thing about me, my eyes still see Oppenheimer and they always will.
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So let me, Let me just say this. Let me say this.
Okay, one thing about me, I love the Oscars. I know you do. I feel like I'm like a kid on Christmas, like, ooh, two sleep-silly Oscars.
I'm like double buckled. You're there. Like a little kid in a car seat. That's how into the Oscars I am. But today, we have some special guests to talk about the Oscars. We do. Bobby Finger and Lindsay Weber are the hosts of Who Weekly, the podcast that tells you everything you need to know about the celebrities you don't. Thank you both for being here.
Imagine not loving the Oscars. Has never been me.
No, she really does because I was in therapy this morning and, you know, I was talking about how like, oh, well, I just happen to always be right most of the time. And Remy looks at me like. Remy knocks on the door.
Are you a lover or hater of... Okay, Oscar category. Okay. What? No, I can't wait. Okay. Okay. Lover hater of the earnest, sincere speech versus like the snarky, quippy speech. Earnest all the way.
That's a big part of it, too. It's like, oh, you're on the mountaintop, but not at the peak. And so it isn't really, oh, I want him to go for it.
And when he gets his Oscar, that speech is going to hit even more. Okay, first of all, we won't have a planet by then. It's true. We'll all be dead.
dead okay i think it's gonna be next year right right and hunters like and still there won't be a planet we're all gonna be dead after call me by your name i mean that was like how gary olden walked away with an oscar out of a murderer's row of talent that year absolutely needs to be investigated okay highs and lows from last night and also where'd you guys watch
Remy's like, excuse me, let me in this meeting. I need to be on this call. Remy kind of holds you, brings you to the red table, if you will.
it shakes the table even she does do that though sometimes she is so crazily like moving my arm out of her way to like snuggle up with me i'm like oh girl she's like mama put on a movie for us and it's you know age of innocence and she barks the screen when it's little dogs do i need a son or a daughter You don't need a son. You need a daughter. Everyone should have a daughter. I don't know.
I liked that as opposed to Jimmy Kimmel, someone who likes the Oscars, likes Hollywood, likes shows, was hosting this show and kind of talking us through it versus someone who's like 15th joke about how long this and how self-congratulatory this all is.
Finally, this is all I wanted to see.
I have to say, I am ambivalent about Christian Siriano. I did not like his dress for Halle Berry. I did not like that. That like kind of like. We said it looked very VMAs. But the glam was beautiful. She gave up the Whitney Houston wig.
She took notes. And her kissing Adrienne Brody on the carpet. I said, listen, that was big for me. That was an interesting.
When he threw his gum at his girlfriend?
Harvey Weinstein's ex-wife? Throw the gum at her? Let me say this. I would rather him toss his gum offstage than chew the gum, chaparron, popping that gum during your acceptance speech. No, I don't like it.
A lot of things will happen. No, I'm not swallowing gum. Well, this is not a health podcast, first, second, third, or fourth. I'm not swallowing gum and getting shingles. Is that how you got shingles? Again, this is a health podcast. I do not know. Harrison Ford, that's how he got his shingles. Okay, I want to go down the list of winners and how do we feel about them? Adrian Brody, best actor.
But the speech, I'm sorry. It was funny. I thought it was funny. It was a 5 minute 30 second speech. It was too long, too meandering. I can't believe they stopped the music. It stopped just short of saying free Palestine and still he kept going.
Oh, I don't.
I think he was trying to work his way around to it.
But then I'm like, well, act like it. Yes, exactly. This is the thing about Adrian Brody. He's so like, despite winning two Oscars, he's still like so outside of Hollywood. Like he's such a New York actor. The way he posts those Instagram reels of him stalking the streets of Manhattan. Like talking to random people.
Like absolutely. Him, titties out on the cover of New York Magazine. Hello. Someone's got to do it. He is a character.
Okay. Mikey Madison, best actress.
No, you're like, what am I going to do?
I thought it was a stress rash. Oh, it looked like makeup or something. It was really bothering me.
I've got something on my mind.
I always do.
Ask me where I just came from. Where? The courthouse. And I saw Drake there too.
Actually, literally, I did finish all my popcorn before Mission Impossible, before the previews even played. I was sitting there. I got a small. Did you see the tweet that someone was like, and if he did that to me, I would have said, and you're a cult. So what now? So we're even. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Okay. I do need to bring us back to Mission Impossible, to the issue at hand.
Because there was one part of this movie that I could not stop thinking about. Yeah. So it's kind of like a mutually assured destruction thing. They're trying to destroy this AI. And President – Angela Bassett. Angela Bassett. Thank you. Said – Or, like, all of her, like, military guys are, like, we can destroy with our, like, nuclear power these, like, other cities in the world.
But we should, just to be safe, destroy one of our own cities. Yes. So no one knows it was us.
And they're, like, okay, well, we have a list of cities for you. Ten cities. Like, American cities that, like, are up for grabs, basically. So what cities do you think were on the list? And be careful because you know Chicago hates us. I know. And what cities? What city do you think they chose?
She was wearing a big pant. In a big pant.
It can't be D.C.
No, girl. It can't be D.C.
Fuck it. It's so funny. It would be one of those things, too, that, like, everyone, like, in government is, like, in an underground bunker somewhere. And it's like, wait, so everyone here is, like, is dead. But, like, what's that one guy, that really old guy? who keeps falling in Congress, the Republican. I don't know, like Lindsey Graham survives? Now God forbid. No, okay.
It would be so funny if it's like, okay, well they can't do New York, obviously. They can't do anywhere in California because too many rich, powerful people live there. And they can't do Chicago because of architecture. The Bean House.
it's a beautiful city like on the water you know but like it's like they can't do like Austin every like London's bombed and it's like wait and the US only lost Austin Texas that would be so crazy people ride for Austin in a way that I know, but, you know. Dallas? What do you think? I don't know. I was really thinking. I was like, maybe, like, what about, like, Miami?
But I think, no, because people like to party. And in the apocalypse, they're going to party. Yeah.
It would just be so funny if, like, the most, like, random city in, like, okay, like, Topeka, Kansas.
You know? Like, the prime minister is, like, of, like, UK is, like,
Mission Impossible. Smash or pass?
Yeah. And all of her costumes in that movie are so Reformation coded too. It's like all titty tops. It's so funny. Well, that makes me want back out of it. But yeah, I didn't love. Yeah. Well. Sorry. Yes, we'll just go back to watching Eyes Wide Shut. Well, there.
Totally. And I said, I like that.
Peyton, look at this girl on my face. Wide as hell. Because it's rare that I'm starstruck. That's true, actually. No, you know.
It's been Usher and it's been who else? Oh, Desi from Girls. Desi from Girls.
Yeah. And today, because we are joined by Dylan Carlino, who is an Austin-based stand-up comic writer and actor, as well as the host of the Feeling Girly podcast. And I know him because I'm feet planted, butt seeded. When I'm scrolling TikTok and I see, if I were a girl, my name would be Amanda. And my boyfriend would be named Charlie and he'd be cheating on me. Yeah, yeah. Like.
Under sits up straight. I sit up straight. I'm like, sending it to people I know. I'm like, oh my goodness. Dylan, thank you so much for being on our show.
That is true. That's why we work. Come here. Yeah. Okay. Well, my takeaway of the JLo and May's performance is one, random first. Random. Then afterwards she announced her residency, like a short residency in Vegas. And I was like, okay, now this is like making more sense. Oh, okay. Like the peg. Making out with a woman. Oh, Vegas. I know where we're going next. No, no, no.
Of, of, in general. Or women in general. In general, but we'll get to that. Do you identify as a lover or a hater?
Okay, well, I feel like only a true lover can be a big hater. You have to love something to hate it.
We're all on the internet. We're all haters.
No, that's so crazy. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, yeah, I've been in like rooms with men where a man will leave the room and it's like, we're all going to talk shit about you. Like,
They don't do it. That's what it's scary.
Yeah, because then you're just holding it in.
No. That's why men are so mad all the time. That's why straight men have so many problems. That's why there's a male loneliness epidemic. Because they're holding it all in. They need to be talking more shit. I actually don't think we should be empowering them to talk more shit.
No, I'm glad that we brought this to the space. Okay. I need to know, how do you come up with like situations in your videos that are so like highly elaborate yet so specific? And do you like outline? Do they just come to you? Like, what's your inspo?
I'm like, why is she doing it at all? And then that she was dancing to Kendrick Lamar's Which Kendrick Lamar song was it? One of the songs from GNX, which was funny. But the funnier piece of it is that it reminded me of that time that it was at the Super Bowl, not the one that he performed at, a different Super Bowl.
No, I love it.
Yes, I'm familiar.
I do love the ones where you're like, my name is like Elizabeth, but it would never be Lizzie. That's gross. Like something like that. Like a gross nickname. I love those.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not familiar. Yeah. We've got plenty of them here between us. Well, someone asked you. Okay. I have a question for you. As a comedian, when did you start to think that you are funny in a way that other people are not funny? That you have like a unique skill and gift?
One of the chosen ones.
Yeah. Okay. I don't know if you're familiar with the Reese Witherspoon clip. Women's stories matter. They just matter. They just matter.
Now the holy texts have been brought up because I'm an American.
She went with Ben Affleck and they were in a box and she was like getting her entire life to all right. And it's like no one else in this box in the shot was dancing, just J.Lo moving her arms all hard. I was like, wow, it's just so funny to see J.Lo making, like dancing to a song about cultural appropriation?
She is really the mistress of four quadrant appeal. She hits every box, every demographic, every political party. Everyone loves Reese Witherspoon.
So good.
And I love white trash representation. And I love your lived experience because that is so crazy.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I like that because there's just like a type of white girl that, I don't, it's just like, Ooh, she's on some other shit. She's doing something different. And that's like, that's like your girl. I think that's your like very specific area of expertise, which I appreciate. Okay. Tell me, have you been at every sleepover ever?
Like, how do you, how are you so observant about the ways that women talk and what we talk about?
Yeah. Yeah. And remind me, where are you from again?
Where Dorinda is from.
I felt it. I felt her. That's why I can't get enough of her. That's why that's my Shayla. That's really my sister. You really ride for her. Nobody else but you. What can I say? She's like the problematic aunt in every black family. It's like, oh, God. In every black family specifically too. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like, oh, here she comes.
No, I've seen a lot of straight girls. I've seen the videos of you giving advice. And there are some crazy situations. Oh, yeah. The number one is just dump him. Dump him. Don't ever talk to him again. Yeah.
Not even our producers. No, I'm kidding. No, I have ADHD self-diagnosed.
That kind of... Oh, you're both sick.
And Brian Krakow. Remember him? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's crazy. Yeah.
And...
Yes. But I stopped watching when Sandra Oh left.
Then she gets there and you're like, okay, well, time to get the party started. Like, oh, let's get loud.
But as a real lover of it, yeah, I can understand that.
Oh, yeah, that's very you. Very me. Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Oh, goodness.
So they're going to be bullied. You need to be behind bars immediately.
Now we want to do a little bit of a rapid fire. Pop culture it girls and tell us what stereotypes do they fit into? Okay. Number one, Tate McRae.
DeLola. What a bad idea. No, I love it. Listen, it makes me laugh. What can I say?
Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. I hear that. Okay. Sabrina Carpenter.
Oh, interesting. Oh, I have a totally different reader.
Okay, great. Perfect. Well, as you can see, I'm wearing a fun top. I love when you do that. I feel like that one Phaedra, when she's like touching that little feather. Yeah, yeah.
And who would you jump in front of a car to save? That's exactly what I was gonna ask.
You writing for Maggie Rogers actually is shaking the table for me more than anything else. I'm not joking.
I was just going to say, Maggie's lifting the frame. She's like, hey, guys. No, she went to Divinity School and hired you to watch her back. Because the fall off of her is something to witness. I love her, though. I love her too.
Yeah.
Yeah, I just I loved her first album so much. And then the follow ups have been except for that one song. The one that felt like spring. What song was that? All of them, kind of, to be honest. The one with David Byrne was the music video. I can't remember what it was called, though.
Okay, what are we talking about this week? We are talking about Mission Impossible. Oh God, I love a deadbeat dad. Hailey Bieber's new tax bracket and the billion dollar purchase of Road.
Yes. Oh, that's a good song. That was a song. Oh, my goodness.
You've been planted here on this day. I love it.
And will.
And will. And has. And thank you for seeing me. And has.
Okay, tax bracket. Wow, I love that. Tax bracket.
This is, this is how it feels. This is how other girls feel when they get their horoscope read. Yeah. It's how I feel right now. Yeah. I just, I need you to know that. Thank you so much. Of course. Dylan, thank you for being on the show and where can people follow you?
I'm already starstruck. But sorry, let me just say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinion?
What was your first reaction? Thank God. No. No, my reaction was, period.
My reaction was, and what about it? You know I love road. You don't play by some road. You know I do. I'm actually using road today on my lips and on my moisturizer. Oh. Yeah, the glazing milk. Well, keeping them in business.
Okay. I have long thought that R.O.A.D. is in like an oversaturated celebrity skincare market. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has felt unique in that it's a very small product line. They only have really nine products. They focus more on skincare and that it doesn't try to be – it doesn't try to do too much.
It's like this is just a really good simple moisturizer, a really good simple cleanser, which also the pineapple cleanser does smell very good. And I'm not usually into like smells or like scents. The lip – Peptide lip treatment, it does get grainy. It congeals with the quickness, I will say. Some of them do, some of them don't. I love the look of it.
I know, I know. But I also, I do like the pinky, the pocket blush. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The pocket blushes are very good. Very good colors. Very good. And also there's, like, a couple colors that can be used as a bronzer on, like, certain complexions too, which I think is, like – I love, like, a multi-use product. But I think that, like, also Hailey is, you know –
That's my sister, I'm sitting by her. She's a very good influencer. Like she really uses her own stuff enough. And that's like something that other celebrity brands don't do as effectively.
people. Totally. And again, because a lot of it is skincare, she can do it all. Like she's always prepping her face before like a full glam moment with the road stuff. But I also think that the products are like, you know, pretty, like I have like acne skin. They're very safe. I've never gotten like a breakout from it.
And I think that's, you know, it definitely builds upon the foundation that like Glossier laid, like the Glossier kind of model. But I think ultimately Glossier, like their offerings have become too much and the quality has lessened. They've launched like three fragrances this year.
Yeah. Well, you know what I'm going to say?
She's radically bland. It's her greatest asset. She does have a kind of blankness, like an essential blankness that allows you to project a lot of ideas and also clothes, also fashion choices and aesthetic choices onto her. Which is, again, what makes her a very good influencer. Because she... has like, she can do like a full glam and then also like lots of color.
And then also like they just kind of like clean kind of Bella Hadid bun, but doesn't have that like high fashion kind of like severity to her look. But again, allows for her to be like ultimately pretty relatable. Like beautifully basic.
Yeah, but I also like that she's not so like Sarah Plain and Tall. Like she is, Sarah Plain and Tall, you didn't read those books? No. Like she's on like the milky, like milkmaid dresses. She's not that.
She's not getting Tradwife. A Tradwife can't sell a billion dollar company. No, you don't say that, Nara.
Whoa.
I didn't even know you like that. Nara Smith just crazy. That is crazy. That's crazy. One thing that I do think, okay, because you know, inevitably you can't say the name Hailey Bieber without someone saying Selena Gomez four lines later, but this is interesting. So Rare Beauty, Selena Gomez's brand, used to be like the number one selling brand at Sephora, like their top
uh like most profitable company most shelf space um and now i was reading puck just after the bieber news broke um quote though still one of support's top brands rare has started to slide in the rankings last month a person a person with knowledge of sephora's business told me that rare is quote the biggest makeup share loser at sephora in the past 12 months
And from what I've read also in Puck that Selena Gomez has been exploring a sale of Rare. However, because Rare now has like so many products, so many different colors, so many different categories in beauty, that it is ballooning the price so that it's really difficult for her to sell this.
And part of the road sale that's so genius and that's so like impressive, Charlotte Palomino, the Do founder, did a really good –
video about this too that because road only has like nine products there's like so much opportunity for growth yeah that makes it like really um enticing for a brand like elf and also something else is that elf is mostly like a like um uh not like drugstore but like target yeah like that level yeah um
you know, company so that I think it keeps road in a very like sweet spot price point where it's like, this is an expensive lip gloss for like a little bit more expensive blush, but it's not luxury.
It's like you're paying for like the Dior, which I think is another, um, really smart play from the road team, which is not like, um, a lot of like, I mean, the, the, it's like less expensive than like the, uh, Kylie brands, I think, and like the Kim makeup beauty brand.
And you know what that says to me? That says, well, damn. That says here, since I can't say anything right.
No razzle dazzle. She said, actually, give me the keys to this account right now. She said, put it in the slack. I've had enough of this. Oh, queen. Ate that. And now he's about to go spend some of her money.
If you're listening, let me say this, which you should be. I'm going to need you to get a haircut, King. I'm going to need you to go to the barber and just a quick trim of the back and a little bit of the sides. That's all.
For Wondery, Eliza Mills is the development producer. Our managing producer is Taylor Sniffen. Nick Ryan is our senior managing producer. Our producer is Kate Young. Our senior producer is Brian Taylor-White. The executive producers are Aaron O'Flaherty and Marsha Louis.
I honestly can't tell if I was doing the Mission Impossible song or the Incredibles song. I have no idea either. Well, I guess someone will let us know. Tell us in the comments or don't. What I'm getting at is that we saw Mission Impossible number eight, the final reckoning, so they say. A man named Tom Cruise. I've heard of him. Who cannot die. And never will.
And an AI named the entity whose days are numbered. And a key. It's about a key as well. Always a key involved. Can I say... A complicated key. The key took it for me. That Catholic key? The Catholic key. And thank you for saying that because I said, oh, this key came from the Vatican. She came straight from the Pope's house here. If you've seen the movie, this key is... Listen, don't ask me.
Yeah, because it has a little rose on it. I see. So that's my way of saying happy pride.
Somehow, this key, which has like two... Honestly, Pride Weekend. Scissoring. They do kind of scissor. The key has two pieces that kind of lock into one another. And that key unlocks an AI hideout. And the AI is planning misinformation. Oh, and there's a submarine. And there's also a man... Who has the key. Real Mission Impossible heads are pissed right now.
But who also has a USB drive that he wears as a necklace.
Men jewelry, that happens. Yeah. Oh my God. And Tom Cruise, let's say it, on three needs a haircut. He needs a haircut.
I'm not new to this. I'm true to this. I don't love Mission Impossible. I wouldn't consider it my favorite Tom Cruise performances or my favorite Tom Cruise franchise. That's, hello, Top Gun. Not my favorite performance, though. That would probably be Eyes Wide Shut or A Few Good Men. Or Magnolia. Focus. Or Color of Money. Anyway. Come back. I'm a big Tom Cruise head. You can tell I had a coffee.
But my most shake the table take on Mission Impossible is that I love Mission Impossible 2, which is like the most – the least popular entry in the entire franchise. I think directed by John Woo. But that's – I really like – I think people need to – Tandy Newton is in it. I think people need to revisit Mission Impossible 2. Oh, mother. But I don't think I saw six. I think I saw half of seven.
I did see all of eight. It was not really that I don't know. I kind of felt like this is it.
Yeah. Well, this one specifically. Yes. Yes.
What did you think?
But I think that's fine, actually. Is it? No, they do a lot of like, especially in this movie, they show a lot of old clips. They bring a lot of stuff back around. Yeah. So you get just as much information as you need going into it to have it like connect.
Listen, one thing that I love about Tom Cruise is that he is vain. Listen, I love male vanity, and Tom Cruise said, if I'm going to be in this scene, I'm going to have my titties out.
Not always this naked, but he, in the last few years, has, like, regularly – Like, like showing off his body.
But you know, oh my gosh, like this, who told me this? That in Top Gun Maverick, did you see Top Gun Maverick? Yeah, yeah. Okay, well they have like that scene where they play like football. Football, yes, on the beach. And Tom Cruise, like all the guys were like working out, like wanting to look good on camera.
And Tom Cruise made them shoot that scene like once in the beginning and then at the very end of shooting when everyone else had like stopped working out as much. And he had like, like body tight, was like, let's do it again where I look the best for sure this time. Oh, he is me. No, like, sorry, I can't hate that. I really can't hate that.
Oh, wait. That was her? Yes. And every time.
That's my thoughts about Tramell Tillman. Every time he said, Mr. Mr. Why do you talk like that? I don't know, but I loved it. I said, oh, I love a classic man. Yes. No, Jadenna Song. Yeah.
Exactly his Severance character, yeah. Like, okay. And what's so wrong about that? What's so wrong about that? Nothing, I guess.
Yeah. I love a mustache, too. I love a man.
Oh, does Pride not speak to men who love other men?
That was scary to me. You were scared? Raise your hand if you were scared here. I was scared. I was like, I don't like knife play like that. I was like, ooh, this is dicey. Yeah, that's Tom.
But I did like Tom Cruise holding on for dear life to not one plane, but two planes. And then his parachute not launching, all of it. I was like, oh, wow. The only thing that I did not like about, I like that as like a final set piece. However, and this is maybe controversial, I wanted like more like fight scenes. I wanted more like hand-to-hand combat. Oh, instead of weapons.
So they're fighting a lot. I know, but I just, I wanted a little bit more. The gun stuff was like not doing a ton for me. Okay, I can hear that. Especially because maybe it was like two or three movies ago, Tom Cruise famously was like handcuffed, hands behind a pole, and he like launched, like truly body rolled himself off the pole onto the floor and got his handcuffs off and like was
Back in action.
He flies planes.
But I've not seen him in his...
That's the only Tom Cruise movie you've ever seen? No, no, no.
And I'm glad you brought it up. Well, someone had to. Do you think that he is still a Scientologist? Yeah. Yeah. I think all of this kind of like, oh, he's not really a Scientologist anymore. I'm like, girl, were you born last night? No. He clearly still is. Yeah. Also clearly has not seen Surrey. Oh, and it's about to be Father's Day.
Well, you saw when he was asked about Father's Day on the red carpet. No. Oh. No. Girl, you're so lucky to have me in your life. I love a deadbeat dad. You know that about me. I'm so happy I can bring this to you. On the red carpet for Mission Impossible premiere, a woman from, I believe it was E, asked him, what are your plans for fathers at the very end of the interview?
At six o'clock, yeah.
And he said, you know, just making movies. Just movies.
He said, you know, didn't talk about his two other children, who he still is close to because they're, I think, still in Scientology. Didn't talk about Surrey. Didn't talk about his own parents. Just...
Wow, wow, wow. So you're not saying Remy after? No, I'll come by. She'll be sad to hear that. Wow, okay. So J-Lo was not doing enough for you.
Now she goes by Suri Noel. Who's Noel? Her middle name. And also I think her mom's middle name too. Oh, well that's. Maybe. I don't know about that part, but it's definitely her middle name. Do you have any favorite Tom Cruise lore? Oh my gosh. Cracks and nickels.
Okay. Well, you know about the cruise cakes? Nope. Jesus Christ. Okay. Tom Cruise famously sends like, I'm saying like maybe a hundred cakes. They're like coconut cakes, I think. They're supposed to be really, really good. Like coconut cream cakes to his like friends in Hollywood every Christmas. He sends them to like Kirsten Dunst gets one, Dakota Fanning gets one, Gayle King gets one.
People always talk about them, the Cruise cakes. They come out every year and they're so good. Never had one personally myself. If I say the right stuff, maybe I'll get one. Yeah. Careful where you go from here now. Yes. I also – well, of course, the Nicole Kidman of it all. Their divorce. Yeah. I know. Yeah. What else? One time I wrote this story for Vulture. I should find it again.
Yeah. That's high. Yeah.
Well, oh, and then the other thing. Oh, a really good Katie Weaver article from like two years ago in the New York Times Magazine about how she was like trying to find Tom Cruise because he was living in London and he like couldn't be seen. It's a really good story. You have to read it. And now his honor to arm is romance. Do you think that's real? Is that real? I think it is real. Actually...
My favorite Tom Cruise lore, though, is that there's this one paparazzi shot of him and Katie Holmes. They had the exact same side part in their hair, in the same haircut.
Yeah. No, that's very you, Coda.
I don't know the photo, but I'm going to need it immediately, actually. Oh, don't worry. I have it readily available.
That's so fun. I would ask you your Tom Cruise lore, but it sounds like you're learning things for the first time today.
That bitch is crazy as fuck. And Bessa was like... At some point, I was like, girl, what is it? What can I do for you? How can I help?
I was like, okay, totally. I also loved, he was only in it for like two episodes, but I love that little like kind of like wannabe gang guy who was trying to take over after the guy with the one eye died.
Yeah. What does it look like with you and the animals? Sorry, I have a heart for animals. Excuse me.
I'm a mother. I'm a dog mother. No, him and there's another guy, like a skinny guy too that I was like, whatever. But then, listen, everyone being like falling to their knees over the inventor's assistant being like having healing powers. That's what kind of where I left off. I was like, oh, this is interesting.
That he's now the savior of the underworld. Now he has to return and what's going to happen?
Have you watched any commercial? Every commercial is interracial couple now. I know.
I'm imagining them. I'm imagining them. No, I see them. This show's theme song is like second only to the morning show where I'm like, oh, never skipping. Love it.
I have to say, Jinx is only the elephant breed's Not doing it for me. They're not doing it for me. I was like, my girl. You know that the coma's not being seen in that show. We gotta trim those ends.
How do you think this compares to like other video game shows? Because I feel like the rap was like they were all bad until The Last of Us was actually good.
Yes, that book is about like a trio of friends, two of whom become lovers who work on a video game together that kind of goes crazy. And then they like continue working together and kind of having these like very complicated friendships. Very good book. But you know what we need adapted into a TV show? And actually, I might open final draft after we leave here, Mall Tycoon.
Now, that would be a show I want to see.
Mall Tycoon? No. It's like a whole game where you're like the Mr. Moneybags of the mall, where you get to make a mall and make it all. It's like, is it going to work? I don't know. Whatever. Oh, my God. Lana Del Rey would kill in that movie. Oh, my God.
I'm not surprised because that photo that you posted of her and Dodger, her dog, laid up in bed together cuddling was so cute.
And you know what else you love? Capitalism. And shopping. I'm the one who loves homely Thanksgiving. Humble beginnings Thanksgiving.
And you're right. Get to work. Open final draft. I know, I know. Oh, excuse me. I'll see you on Twitch. Actually, we should do Twitch. Miss Gamer. We should Twitch. We should stream. I just started Twitching.
Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
Yeah. Will we talk about it in depth? So what I'm hearing is that you're coming out to me as a wicked adult.
You've been dressed for the occasion.
I just want you to know, if we were roommates at Shiz University, I would have held a grudge the entire time. Yeah, you would have never given me grace.
Because she knew they all congregate there.
I'm not surprised because the selfie you sent me after, I was like, oh, you cried and you sweated.
Of course. Okay, so you loved it and you thought, like, what was so moving?
It was great. I think that's why I'm so in a mood today. Because I actually had such a fun and lovely time being home. Mostly because divorced parents... My dad was out of town and so I didn't have to like do the like, okay, when am I going to see daddy? Like all of that stuff while I was home, which was nice. Like not doing so much running around.
The stuff she was doing with her eyes, like the looks of Jonathan Bailey were so funny. I was like, oh, I'm watching – Renee Zellweger in British Jones Diary, like the first one. Like she was, I was like, oh my God, wait, why can't we give her everything that would have gone to Katherine Heigl between like 2004 and 2009? No, I'm serious.
She would be so good. And it's kind of like that's, Sidney Sweeney was not as good in a romantic comedy as Ariana Grande clearly is engineered to do, you know? Yeah. Like she's just so good at that stuff. She was so good at that.
I kind of like, I liked them. As a pairing, I see why they were, like, cast opposite one another. Because they do feel very, like, complimentary with an E, complimentary, you know? But at the same time, I was really struck by Ariana. I was like, wow. Like, of course I knew that, you know, she had, like, the Nickelodeon background, is, like, naturally a funny person. Yeah.
Did you see the video I sent you of Keke Palmer doing an impression of Ariana? of Ariana having Patti LaBelle sing at her 16th birthday party. Me as fuck.
And you weren't there when I choreographed Dances to Flame, her like 2001 album, Patti LaBelle's. Please bring that back. On my, what is it called? Living dining room. But no, I was very shocked by Ariana. Yeah. But you know who did nothing for me?
And then I got to watch The View with auntie and uncle who are 87 and 82. Yeah. When I tell you, oh my God, it was so funny. I was like, you guys need a podcast.
Madame Morrible. Michelle Yeoh. I was like, girl, we might need to take that Oscar back.
That's how bad. I almost said something so. And listen, I love her. Of course. But it was just like, it just felt like you were watching her try to find it and it just like was not ever connecting. I couldn't agree more.
Which was really hard because when Cynthia had such an assured performance that she really never wavered from and Ariana was doing so much like just physical comedy work, it made it like a discordant note every single scene.
Good in so many other things, but not right here specifically. Especially when you're competing as an actor with these, you know, really lush, detailed, vibrant sets, this like complicated choreography. All of these other things were just really working against a performance that never really felt like it got off the ground. And I did kind of feel the same way about Jeff Goldblum, too.
I was like, eh, he's not working for me in this.
You know who I wanted it to be? Especially after I saw him dance down the hallway of the horrid Jennifer Hudson show for A.B. Vance. That is when he would be in The Wizard.
This was just a thought that I had.
Only when I'm with them. Right. Yeah. Cause they love, auntie loves the view down. Oh my God. Like I got her- The view has shooters for sure. No, we drank a Whoopi Prosecco, her Prosecco brand, not sponsored. Although I did have to DM them to help me get a bottle. Cause it was like, I couldn't figure out where to get it. And then what else? But it was just so funny.
Oh my God. I was like, I don't know what I got so afraid.
He is a star. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I felt like it's kind of like the Glenn Powell thing. Like, oh, you can just kind of do anything.
Like you can really do it all. And I'm so happy that this moment is coming for him now versus Bridgerton, which I felt like fine, but not. This is like the star making moment.
Yes. But he did a great job in that. And in this, I was like, oh, movie star. Sorry, movie star. Excuse me. That's a movie star.
Where, you know, other people, I was kind of like, sure, actor. Yeah. He's on the call sheet. Yeah. Not anyone in this movie even. But just like, you know what I mean? Like he was, it was very like Austin Butler in Dune II where I'm like, oh. This is your movie. These are actors. Here's a movie star. Thank God. We've been missing you for quite a long time.
You know, if Remy could talk, that's what she would sound like. I was like, ugh, queen.
I feel like that one gif of Jessica Williams clapping, like, ugh, of course. Like, ugh, thank God.
My history with musical theater, sorry, you didn't see my starring role in Ragtime with Kirby Casting and Studios in the year 2005. Oh, I wasn't starring a role. There's not really a role for me in that, but... Yes. I saw Wicked on Broadway and it was a big deal. It was like on a class trip and it was a big deal because Kristen Chenoweth is from Oklahoma. And we were all like excited about that.
And then, I mean, I liked it, but I wasn't like so over the moon about it. I did really love The Wizard of Oz growing up. So I knew a lot about the lore. That's kind of the other thing about Wicked that's like… Like it's so – it was like annoying and now it's become like actually hilarious to me when it's like, oh, she's cold. Get her a cape. Oh, we're in this dusty old attic. Oh, there's a broom.
Like all of that stuff. Oh, the grimmery. Like all of those little like layering in moments of like actual Wizard of Oz stuff is so funny to me.
Uncle was like, oh, I really wish they would talk over each other more. And I'm like, oh yeah, totally. And he's like, I was just kidding. Yeah.
But I do want to just... I don't want to sound like too much of an orionator on this, but like... Do it. I love Galinda. I thought, like, she came together for me in this as such a compelling character. Yeah. As like, oh, I...
want the struggle of this relationship and friendship and like the depth of our like adoration for one another but also I do kind of want the life that I'd always imagined for myself too yeah and that is like a really beautiful like Frances Ha a return to heteronormativity yeah like that's okay happens But it's just like I had a clear idea for my life and now I kind of want to go back.
I want to feel safe in that. And I was like, oh, interesting. I thought Ariana did a good job of like playing that. Where I do think what I liked about the Kristen Chenoweth performance more is that it felt a little bit like cattier, bitchier. Where it's like she is like taming herself more. Maybe I felt seen more.
It was so funny. I was like, oh, who's your favorite Whoopi? They're both like, we hate Whoopi. She's a know-it-all. And we also hate that blonde woman.
Because it really goes both ways. I should have worn pink today. I wish you told me that you're wearing green. Yeah, but no, no.
What's that? I'm saying it's too early, but I'm simply too seated.
I think production design, definitely. I don't know about the song stuff because there's like so many rules there about like what's adapted versus what... is like original, but I don't know about that. I think Cynthia Oscar nomination. And I think Ariana Oscar nomination. Although I have to say the Oscar belongs to Anjanue Ellis in Nickel Boys.
By far the greatest performance of the year, the greatest movie of the year, like had me sobbing.
But like, I think Ariana will get nominated because she's so good in it.
And maybe Jonathan Bailey too, although probably not.
But I mean, not that I don't think he's good in it, but I just think like, I don't know about that. And maybe a Best Director nomination too. Come on, John. I think Best Picture, yeah. Because did you see the thing in The Hollywood Reporter where someone was like, we just lost the White House. Make your vote for Kamala, your vote for Wicked. People in Hollywood do not live in real life.
They are Joy Behar army. Wow. They're like the salinators of loving Joy Behar.
Okay, I'm never jealous of nepo babies. And by nepo babies, I mean people who grew up in LA. Except for when my, like, kind of hotep king, Kendrick Lamar, drops music that I actually really love. I love the way that, like, hating Drake is the battery pack that's, like, powered this amazing –
act of his career right now i wish the same for us all honestly gnx his new album is brief but also good i liked more of it than i thought i would yeah i mean dodger blue i mean gloria luther the two scissors songs obviously any song with a luther vandross intro any talk about a voice oh my i want to fall to my knees bitch you look like luther vandross compliment compliment now
No, Whoopi is like the... Who is she?
He was suited. Yeah. I like this album a lot, but you know what I like more? What? The Drake lawsuit about all the. We'll get to that. We'll get to that.
How do you miss LA? Miss insecure. Privilege. I'm trying to think of what other LA.
No, Molly was giving too much dumb bitch and you know what I mean. What is it, season one when she doesn't talk to that guy again because he was bi? I was like, oh, girl. Oh, my God.
She's not the Nikki. Joy Behar, if anything, is the Nikki. Like, just says crazy stuff all the time.
Anyway, I really like TV Off and Squabble Off too. That was fun. And Peekaboo.
Honestly, the whole album is great. Yeah. But I just, I think that I like Kendrick in this mode and not the like deeply introspective, like, oh my God, bro, get over it mode. Like this felt more like Good Kid, Mad City, where it was like, it was like creating such a moment. It felt a lot more comprehensive and kind of complete and like...
And you know what happens? And now Drake has gotten involved. I just can't imagine. Like when I saw this headline, I said, oh, brokey. Like I cannot imagine like a bigger or more like self-administered L than suing someone over. You know what they say? You can't go around. You have to go through. Drake said, how about I sue? Yeah. No, I said, oh my God.
Yes, no, they're heating it up. They're like, oh my goodness, the view is on. And they're talking about holding space. They're talking about holding, the chyron, like the lower third was like, what does holding space mean? And someone, Sunny, brought the definition. Truly could not make it up. It was hilarious.
And it's just another part about this is like, what says more that you're not like us, not like anyone in this hip hop community, black community, whatever, than suing, taking someone to court?
Because first there was a lawsuit filed in New York where he claimed that UMG, which is, it's kind of like a random part of this that Drake and Kendrick Lamar are both universal artists through different deals. But he claimed that UMG had like kind of done pay to play or like had gone into a deal with Spotify to promote the Drake disses.
But a funny part of this is that in the lawsuit, it wasn't a lawsuit, it was just like filing papers, like the beginnings of a lawsuit kind of. He said that Siri, if you asked to play Drake, would automatically play the Drake disses. Which I'm like, wait, hilarious.
And then he also, another one of these claims was that UMG had fired all like Drake loyalists on the team because they were so against him. Like, just stop it. I'm like, oh my God. Never beating the biracial allegations. I love it. And then he filed another more court papers in, I think, Texas, where he claimed that like more like kind of radio, paying off radio stations to play these songs.
But it's like, did you go anywhere this summer without hearing Not Like Us? No. Nowhere. It's playing right now somewhere. Yeah. We're not talking about like a Camila Cabello song where I'm like, ooh, how did that chart? No, these songs that we know are everywhere. It makes Drake look so bad.
And of course, I tweeted about this and then had simply someone saying, someone tweeted back at me, you're low-key ugly. And you know what I heard? So I'm also low-key really pretty. Yeah. So reframe.
Basically, Drake is accusing UMG of just servicing their client. Like, and also Drake only probably knows about this stuff because he's benefited from those practices too. Toosie slide, anyone. Anyway, don't get me started. What I am curious about, whose side is SZA on? A question for the culture.
And if I say mustache! Just imagine Kendrick Lamar in the studio alone, like just screaming mustard. That's funny.
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Thank you for acknowledging. Thank you for holding space for that because, yes, I did. I made ham. I made turkey. And I helped with the cornbread stuffing or dressing, depending on where you are from. You know, different. And it was actually delicious. I really freaked out. I thought I was going to go home and, like, not do anything. And I ended up having to do everything. And it was fine.
My mom helped me some. But I was very proud of myself. Just call me Martha Stewart, actually.
Wait, I actually, I was so mad at you the last time you made me watch something. The Anna Kendrick movie.
God forbid we speak about it again. But you actually recommended something good this time. Yeah, I do that.
A little something called Netflix's Arcane. We'll be talking about that today. Kendrick Lamar's new album, GNX. And of course, listen with Ms. Wicked herself in her black and green.
You know I'm in a mood today. You always are. That's not true. Today, this is the closest I've ever come to thinking about buying a cigarette.
So let me say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions?
And that's too close for comfort for me. You know, I don't want to ever smoke cigarettes because I don't want to look old. It is what it is. I know. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's just everyone has been trying my patience today. Everything has been trying my patience today. Except for Remy. She's been very sweet all day. Although she did toot really stinkily in her crate, and I thought that she pooped.
Why did you look stink like that? Because this is where our problems start, right here. I didn't even say anything yet. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because don't bring KP into this. I love King Princess. Me too.
Watching your Instagram stories, it's like I didn't see you all weekend and you were just posting cartoons. I was like, what is going on? You're posting a show that I never heard you talk about before. You were in the trenches like, oh my God, I've been waiting for this forever. I was like, I didn't know there were two seasons.
And now after having watched all of season one, half of season two, I don't know what you were crying at.
Wow. Yeah. Yeah. When you're talking about like above ground, below ground, it's like New York and Jersey. Like, that's kind of what it's doing. I didn't say it.
Yeah, she definitely knows. Because they don't have cheeks, so it doesn't make a noise. But she can smell it herself.
Okay, so there's a lot of lore. There's a lot of timeline jumping, a lot of political ambition, a lot of gang warfare that the show sets up in a really compelling way. I was never bored. I did lose a few threads a couple of times. For sure. But I really enjoyed it. I was like, oh, this is like – it's a nice like binge.
I don't think I could have watched it like week to week or something because there are just like too many fucking characters. No. There's like a lot of stuff where I was like, is this normal for this world or is this abnormal? I'm talking, of course, about my favorite character.
Yeah. He's not the only animal, though.
Okay, so basically there's like the council of like the Congress of like the upper world. And he's like the founder of the country, like the head of this little council. And he's, I'm telling you, like one foot tall. And he has like a mean little cat dog, mean little pet cat dog.
Yes. And then, you know, there's some power shifts happening. There's like a young, hot inventor who invents this like metal that's also magic. That's where it was really losing me.
It is so funny when Remy do this, and she jumps away. She is like, ooh, girl, someone's bitching here, and moves away. Okay, wait, Dodger, how was your Thanksgiving? Dodger Blue. It was fab. L.A. fam in Brooklyn.
The animation was – it was, like, it was beautiful, but it wasn't what kind of stopped me. It was really the magic and lore stuff that I was having trouble – In the story. Yes, in the story, understanding what is normal magic and what is, like, concerning paranoia magic that, like, we should be afraid of. And then later in season two, there becomes this whole other, like, Rose –
thorn vine kind of thing I actually can't even talk about that because it confused me so much I texted you I was like what does the black mom want exactly other and like how did the sun die all that stuff yeah but no I liked that it all kind of boiled down to in the most like beautiful lovely like little women way possible to like the sister relationship yes
between Powder, who felt betrayed by her older sister, Vi, and then she, like, works for, like, the bad guys, kind of, and then renames herself Jinx, and then it's, like, kind of a supervillain tea. Yeah.
But, like, coming back to Powder being so fucking annoying as a little girl, and Vi, like, continuing to be like, she's my sister, I love her, and then growing up and realizing she's not my sister anymore, really, like, she's gone down a dark path, was very sad to watch. Did you finish season two? Not yet.
Wow. That's interesting. She can't get more annoying.
Start that way. And this is how good the animation is. They gave her chipped nails.
Loved him. I also loved the black character who grew up, who's like on the underworld, like that big tree.
My big critique is that because the cast is so big, I felt like some people just really aren't getting their due, at least not yet.
And I really wanted more of Echo's story because he's only really gotten like maybe two episodes of like real material. Yeah. I also, I like Vi a lot. Yeah. And I like Caitlyn, but I can totally see how Caitlyn in her desire to like protect and save Piltover and also after her mom was killed, how she is like becoming more power hungry and like blinded by her own ambition. Yeah.
Which that's like such a nice layer in of like how Vi is dealing with that. How she sees her sister has like kind of been eaten by her own ambition alive and then sees Caitlyn kind of doing the same thing.
I guess I've only seen the one sex scene between the inventor and then the black queen on the council.
And when their sex scene was intercut with the inventor's assistant using the magic. Okay. And it reminded me, okay, you're going to get mad, but I just, listen, balls and strikes. It reminded me of that scene in Queen and Slim. I never chose that path. When they were fucking and it was intercut with police brutality. That sounds exactly why I didn't watch Queen and Slim.
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This is what I'm talking about when I say when you grow up in LA, it doesn't matter who you are, you're a nepo baby. I've never met to me more. I would love to have the pleasure.
I want you to go to Getty Images right now. I want you to go get Getty Images and type in Tallulah Willis. Go literally to like the maybe I'm going to say like third oldest page and you're going to see some photos that you will not regret.
I want them to, like, put the photo in, like, so they know what I mean when I say you look like the black child, a white actress at jobs after she wins an Oscar. Mm-hmm.
One single braid sticking out. She's like going up to black women like, can you help me with this child?
You were ready. Other girls weren't moving like me. Oh my God. I should have looked up who was at that celebrity basketball game. Ashton Kutcher. If it's like Ashton Kutcher and like, I don't know who would have been on his team.
I love that. But reading the Demi Moore memoir and also just like generally how he moves through life in Hollywood, it's always fuck Ashton Kutcher. Oh my God. He was shooting on her like crazy. Say it. I'm telling you, had women in their marital bed. Like it was, it's shocking. And she talks about all of it in the book. It's so good.
No, no, no. This is all in the book. Yes. I have to go back to something though. Margaret Qualley Shade? I'm not, like, as enthusiastic about her as everyone else is. I thought she was good and must spend time in Hollywood. Her little, like, finger-licking toes everywhere, all those shots. You know, it's like Tarantino. You know what I'm talking about, though.
You sound like a cop. I'm sorry. Let me blink twice. You're Mariska Hargitay right now. I feel like I'm getting got.
And then I liked her in Poor Things where she had no lines and had no scenes and just stood there for three seconds and that was, like, her only contribution to the movie. I was like, perfect.
You just like that one music video. Learned by Olivia Wilde. I know.
Was it like the Lumineers? No, it was her sister. It was her sister. Oh, okay.
Okay, sorry. Beautiful expressive eyes. Not the point of the movie at all, but she looked fucking great in this movie. Talk about getting your body done. Oh, my God. She had fake boobs. She literally did. Yeah, literally. Literally, they gave her a front. Yeah, the American apparel-fication of this movie.
Okay. We have to talk about the most important supporting performance, however, and you know what I'm talking about. Three, two, one. The coat. The yellow coat. The yellow coat. Her work. I felt like that one video of Paris Hilton when she's like, can I have like two more of these little blonde bitches when she's ordering a Popsicle? Yes.
I'm like, can I have two more of these like big yellow coats, please? That's what I thought I was doing when I bought a lime green pea coat from J.Crew in 2011. I got so, thank you for saying 2011. I got really nervous for a moment.
I've already seen people on Twitter being like, I've ordered the whole costume on Amazon. I was like, ooh, girl. Gay man. Gay man. Gay man.
Oh, it's going to be a straight man. Okay. No, totally. Totally.
Yes. But it's also like the way that the coat, all those shots have to be more walking on the street wearing the coat and that's all you can see. And it's like, she's hiding within it, but also like, it's almost like a, like shield repelling everything away from her. I just thought it was such a brilliant costuming.
I would say like a healthy seven. Oh, okay. Yeah. For you, that's great. No, I would say that's like pretty high praise. Yeah. What about you? I was going to give it like an eight.
I feel like some of the ideas like didn't fully connect with the Dennis Quaid of it all. Like that stuff, like the more like industry part of it. I was like, eh, whatever.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, our friend, Paul McCallion, after he saw the substance on Instagram, he like posted this thing. What celebrities would take the substance? So shout out to Paul. Who do you think would take it?
I'm asking you like a real question. And I gave you a real answer. Would I? You know me. Would I take it? I don't think you would. Once. Just to see. No, because you'd get too jealous of that girl. You'd stay awake just to kill her. I know you. I know you.
I think Jude Law. Next. I think... Oh, The Rock. He's trying to get his hands on it already.
More The Rock.
You're so nasty. And who else? Oh, my God. Lana. Lana Del Rey.
No, I think she would. Or she would do it wrong.
But it wouldn't be, like, another hurt coming out of her back. It would be, like. Jack Antonoff. It would be something else. I don't know.
Like what happened?
Wait, I love that.
It's crazy because I didn't realize it was so universally acclaimed. I saw five people tweeting about it incessantly. Won't say any names. But if you are listening, you know who you are. And I pressed play because you told me to. And the first episode... charmed me.
So in that episode, Kristen Bell, who was the podcaster, she like goes to a friend's dinner party and she's told that there's going to be like a rabbi and like a hot divorced guy. And she like ends up talking to Adam Brody and she's like, oh my God, like I love the divorced guy.
And there's like a dinner scene where someone asked like the rabbi's opinion and Adam Brody is like revealed to be the rabbi. And it's like, oh wow, that's like... I didn't know rabbis could be, like, young. Like, I didn't know.
No, you know this. I famously hate smoking weed. I get too anxious. I'm on a drug called Life. And my drink of choice is actually called Real Housewives of New York.
What didn't work for you? Like did you not think it was romantic enough? You didn't think it was funny? You didn't think it was like – Enough of a love story.
Like a hand cupping head.
Oh, that's when you should have known.
I kind of love this for you though because like you feel about Nobody Wants Us the way that I feel about industry. Or I'm like, wait, this is what you guys like? This is what's supposed to be like not just good, but like this is supposed to be like cutting edge on like the front lines of like real creative endeavor. Like, huh, that's crazy to me.
I am a different person than I was three hours ago. Why?
I'm shuffling my cards because I have something important to say.
Yeah. We'll get into it. That's actually strong. That's a strong stuff. No. Yeah. It's also called Arguing with a Barb, which I did today. Okay. Let me say this. I wish that I even read like one tiny ounce of context for this, but I didn't. I think it's like Nicki Minaj's husband who's a registered sex offender's birthday. And she made this long post on Instagram about like how much she loves him.
You took the words right out of your mouth. I already know I did. In a rom-com. Nothing I'm better at. This is the thing that watching it, there were so many like cute moments, but I wasn't getting like, what does this woman see in this man? You know what I mean? Like that's the kind of thing that I was missing. I was like, oh, totally. I mean, listen, I have eyes and a heart.
Like I love Adam Brody. He seems like, especially growing up watching him on Gilmore Girls and on what I've seen in the OC, like he is like the prototypical man of a generation where it's like kind of like intellectual, but also like kind of sarcastic, but also very sweet, like big heart boy. Love that.
But in this, I was like, I see how you can be attracted to him, but it's like, but what do you like about him other than that he has like this, I don't know, rich emotional life that just comes from being a rabbi. Maybe that was it. I just kind of – and also, I mean, maybe this is weird, but like I felt like I was like – Watching someone – I was like, you couldn't Google what shalom means?
Like, all of her questions about Judaism are just so, like, shallow and simplistic. I was like, but wait, you're – I'm from Oklahoma, and I know what shalom means. I'm from LA, so I knew what shalom meant when I was, like, three. But, you know, it just felt like, oh, I'm reading, like, a Vox Explainer of a religion, and that's, like, most of their conversations.
Yeah, the Judaism conversations with a lot of the character work that I was like, does she only, like, not know stuff about religion in general? That's kind of crazy. And also, like, the gay dad thing. I was like, this feels so, like, I don't know, like, ABC sitcom.
So you don't think that Atlas was the number one movie in the world for like three weeks running the Jennifer Lopez movie? Hashtag Netflix partner hunter. Okay. Go ahead with your bad self. Watching it, I liked what I saw enough that I kept watching. But at the end of the day, I was like, I saw someone comparing it to When Harry Met Sally. I was like, bitch, where?
You need to sign a disclosure form before you start comparing things to When Harry Met Sally. Like, that's when I feel like we need to stop playing right here. I'm not a foster family fan to begin with. Oh, do you know them from your dealings in L.A.?
So, granted, I haven't seen all of it. I've watched up until the episode about the ick, which I thought was like fun. But I did see this like kind of controversy where people were saying that all the depictions on this show of Jewish women are like super stereotypical. Did you see this? Yeah, yeah. Did she reply? Yes. She did an interview in the LA Times. I have the quote. Okay.
She says, I think we need positive Jewish stories right now. I think it's interesting when people focus on, oh, this is a stereotype of Jewish people when you have a rabbi as the lead. She says, a hot, cool young rabbi who smokes weed. That's like not how people think about a rabbi.
Which I was like, interesting that your defense against this is a kind of shallow and stereotypical depiction of women is like, well, look at this man. Yeah. Girl, I guess. Like, wait, turn this on. Like, what? For once. But watching it, I was like, wait, I do see that. Like, all of the Jewish women on the show are so stereotypical. Like, the sister-in-law? I was like, what?
Yeah. And someone quote tweeted it and they were like, I'm not reading the Declaration of Coke Dependence. And I sent it to our friend who was a barb. Who we won't name. When I tell you I got seven texts back in a row like about that's a lie. How dare you? Like this is not journalism. Would you ever write this in your newsletter or say it on your podcast?
Yeah. I don't know.
But the first episode was getting like white insecure to me. Like all like the shots of like LA, like LA like places. Yeah. You know what I mean though? And it felt comforting to me.
You love making a list of white men.
Yeah, I think so. Who else is in this competition right now?
But I think he's around maybe like three, four. Yeah. Him, not the show. I don't like a man wearing a Nike kill shot, those sneakers. But I think he's so handsome. He's so like dreamy.
Oh, Jenny Han season. Please come back. I need more of my girl. What's her name? Bella. What's her name? Oh, Belly. Belly. Yes. I need more. No, I need more Belly. Bring back a true star. Yes. Oh, my gosh.
Like, if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.
Like literally sent me links and everything disputing this. And I was like literally to hit someone with that I ain't reading all that. I'm sorry that happened or happy that happened. That feels like drugs to me. That feels that's like higher than I've ever gotten.
From the beginning.
Yes. Like the kind of, you're talking about, I mean, in my mind where it's like how Instagram or Twitter or whatever, it's like the shop my, like all those like different versions of how to like get an affiliate income. Yeah.
All the time if it's linked to Let Me Say This.
I'm sorry. Interesting. I'm not very easily swayed. I don't know if you know that about me. I'm actually like very strong in my convictions and I'm hard-headed too. So once I make my mind up, I, yeah. Yeah. Hunter's stubborn. I'm hard to influence.
Do you tape your mouth at night, bitch?
What has influenced you? I'm like still on the cusp of like buying certain things from stuff I've seen on the internet. But the latest thing is actually this top. It's by Meow. I actually didn't even plan this. I just put this on today. Is that how you say it? Yeah. M-I-A-O-U. Wow, I thought it was Mao. I think it – I'm pretty sure it's Mao.
But I just, like, kept seeing these little, like, kind of, like, little, like, titty tops.
And I was like, whatever. I got a skirt first. I had this bubble skirt. Immediately tried it on. I was like, absolutely not. It looks like a diaper on me. It looks crazy. It's like a bloomer skirt.
Those things don't make sense together. It was, like, too short, too. I was, like, I hate that. It just – it felt so, like, uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah. So that was immediately returned. And then I couldn't get my money back, so I had to exchange it. So I got this top and another top. This is, like, a little, like, baby tee, which is, like, soft. I like it.
But then I got one of their corsets that they're kind of, like, Instagram-y, like, famous for. Oh, my God. I hated it. I hated it. The quality is not there. It's, like, not even tight structured. It's tight. Like, it's stretchy. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's just, like, form-fitting. But it's not, like, core city.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I heard the owner is, like, some rich girl in L.A. I'm surprised that you don't know who I'm talking about. I mean, we're friends. Yeah. I don't know. I was just, like, this top I like. But yeah, the skirt and the corset, I didn't, it wasn't working for me. But you know what I'm about to buy from TikTok? What? A wet vacuum for furniture. I'm like obsessed with you.
I'm like, I'm big into cleaning TikTok.
Wish it was. Yeah, maybe. Is it, like, a handheld thing or is it more of, like, a big girl? It has, like, a big, like, carriage. Yeah. But then it's, like, a handheld, like, thing. Yeah. But I – yeah. I have – I like my vacuum. But I also have, like, a little handheld vacuum that's, like, also, like, nice for, like, smaller projects.
I had an espresso. So let us all pray for me and that mic and that mouth as well. No, you're lucky. You're lucky because I was about to press play on Diary by Alicia Keys because that's what your outfit is giving me today. Hunter just called me a dyke again. It's like every episode. I still can't believe I said that. But listen, history repeats itself.
It's like starting a spinning top. It's like, oh, it's like when you're talking to someone, it's like, oh, you're just talking to yourself.
Like that's like the new thing. It's so weird. I know that people are trying to make that a thing, but I don't know. But then again, listen, the way that I watch these wetback videos, maybe that's for me. Yeah, maybe you need to tune in. The way that I like tune in, I love to see them like pour the water, like the dirty water into the toilet and flush it. And it's like, ugh, this is so satisfying.
Oh, my God. Yeah. But sometimes I just want them to have, like, a rug that's, like, not filthy, just, like, dirty.
Yeah, exactly. Okay, so what else are you buying?
But, like, this is funny because the one time that you stayed at my house and dogs sat around me. And also took the cutest video with her ever, but you were so ashy in the photo, so I can't post it, unfortunately. Anyway, I saw those little Octobuddy marks all on every window, on every mirror of my home. And it's like weeks later, I'd be like, dang, she got you there too.
No, I was like, on the refrigerator? Like, really? Yeah. No, it was too funny.
Were you wearing it like last week? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My archives go back long. Too long. Like, I'm still holding on a text from 2011.
Yeah. Yeah. And I loved it. I wish to be that person. I'm always like, oh, I want to like dress in all black more. But then I'm like, I don't look like the Wilson twin. No, you look in the mirror. Slap on that Octobuddy and turn it around. No, I don't know. But I have been – okay, I'm obsessed with Old Navy. This is not Spawn at all.
But, like, there they've, like, done this collection of, like, 1994, like, brought to now. Oh, my gosh. I have literally bought, like, four things. Like, I had that one rugby, the blue one. It looks like the Loewe one that Rihanna and Hailey Bieber have. Yeah. No, I'm not giving it up.
I know. I loved it. And then I got another red one, like another red rugby. And then I have two fleece pullover, like quarter zips. Honestly, love Old Navy. I love a basic. Yes. Oh my gosh. And like they actually feel like good. They don't feel like flimsy, shitty Instagram clothes. Yeah.
I cannot. I love it. Yeah. I love it. I love it. And then what else have I got? Okay. I did have a big ticket purchase. Okay. I got one of those LED face masks. But I got the nice one.
No, that's a steamer. Oh, sorry. Girl, that's... It would be a bitch in a pimple patch who doesn't know what she's talking about when it comes to skincare. Let me just say that, okay? Keep on keeping on with the goddamn...
No, I wanted – I like did not get facials for like six months except for one that was gifted so that I could get this like LED light because that's my new thing. I think if I don't do anything to my skin but just LED, that's going to be the difference maker.
But if you knew what I had, it's hilarious. That one video that Peyton's brother took of a drunk man being escorted out of a bar in South Africa in 2018. Like, no, sorry, I needed it. That's so, it was so funny.
But you can't get the ones that have the little eye holes cut out because if that light is supposed to be like actually good enough, then it can't be so close to like your naked eye. So I think that like some of those are like scams. Not scams, just like not super effective.
It's like, I'm happy that 12-year-old me bought, actually bought high on Adam Brody's stock and is also keeping high on Adam Brody's stock. So what can I say?
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No, it's not. It's Barack Obama. I mean, it could be, but... Oh... No, I don't. I shouldn't give it away. It's like actually like too good. Can you explain who the person is? It's a divorce that I've been wondering what happened behind the scenes for years. And I found out. And now I know.
Yes, you do. Okay, sorry. I shouldn't be nosy. Okay, I'm talking to a microphone. I have a podcast. Of course I'm going to be nosy. You're like, everything entertains me. I don't care the high, the low. It doesn't matter. Equal opportunity. I walked down the block and I'm rubbernecking. Just to see the sights. Just because I want to know. Call me Jo.
Part of me is like, I want to call us hungies. And the other part of me is like, that sounds too crazy. But you know what it's a reference to? Charlie Puth. Yeah, of course. Yeah.
Thank you. Hungies up. Hungies for you. No hungies for Charlie Puth.
No, no, no. Think about it. I feed my people. I keep us all fed. I'm not going to, like, I guess, but then again, a very long Instagram caption is kind of like a newsletter when you really think about it. So that's her sub stack. Balls and strikes. I have, listen, I call a spade a spade.
Oh, actually I'm happy because this week we have a lot of fun stuff to talk about. Yeah. Yeah. We've got some tea. Yeah. Okay. This week we're talking about the new body horror movie, The Substance starring mother Demi Moore and also Netflix's romantic comedy. Nobody wants this. And then call us Oprah because we're about to share our favorite things.
So I'm sorry, let me say this. No, let me go ahead and say this.
Oh, I'm suspicious of you. So a star is born kind of sitting ovation and you just said like, oh, whatever. I'm gonna need you to do something for me. It's called focus.
I loved it. I can't wait to do it again. No.
I did not. I guess I had no like, you know, sort of preconceived notions going in. I had seen that it was like pretty well reviewed, but I really liked it. It's like deep but important and like it's intentionally over the top and kind of gonzo and fun in a way that I really appreciated.
I also felt like for obviously like making a lot out of like a pretty small budget, like the movie starts like three people, if that. I thought it was like pretty well done. And also there are so many shots of – just like the real uncertainty and like insecurity of like, do I look right? Do I look old? Is that, you know when you look at yourself too long in the mirror? Yes.
It's crazy. That's not what I was thinking, to be clear. Interesting. Where is this going to go? Okay.
And it's like, actually I had a moment like this when I was getting ready today. Like, oh, am I like wearing too much blush or should I put on more? I'll put on a little bit more and then take it off. And then it's like endless, you know? And that like cycling, spiraling, I thought was very well done in the movie.
I'm a wee girl. Long-winded.
For real. Do you have like a big like squeamish? Like did it gross you out too much? Because the body horror in this movie is like a lot of skin being sewn together. A lot of like needles going in, blood coming out.
I mean, yeah, the ending did not work for me. So she goes, she takes the substance. So Elizabeth Sparkle takes the substance and this woman, Sue, younger woman climbs out of her back and then they have to like switch back every seven days. And eventually little Sue is like, just kidding. I'm like becoming an it girl. I have to like stay on the block. Like I need to be out and about.
So listen, let me have it. And she like basically just locks Demi Moore in a closet. And like instead of switching, she kind of like goes through the motions of whatever they have to do to like rejuvenate herself, but without going through like the body switching part. And so Demi Moore is in the closet like rotting basically. And the end where she like becomes this kind of like
beast who has like four heads and tries to make herself into a new third person. All of that stuff I was like, Like we lost the plot? A little bit. I mean, I don't want to say lost the plot because the movie creates this like language and dynamic that is so over the top and is so like elaborate that it feels correct. But it also just, I was like, I'm kind of tired of this now.
Like it just felt like a little bit tedious. Yeah.
I mean, the blood stuff at the end when, like, she's basically, like... Just a face. Yeah, just a face and, like, a bunch of blood and guts. I was like, yeah, I don't want to see that. I don't want to see this. This is, like, too gross.
Okay, more on Demi Moore. More and more. Okay, after I left The Substance, I started thinking about this thing that I tweeted in 2020. Imagine it's November 27, 2020, 10.40 p.m., and I said, I think that we as a society do not arrive at Timothee Chalamet without Demi Moore and Ghost. And I've been wondering ever since what I meant. And I saw the substance and I was like, what did I know?
And when did I know it? You said, so I ate that. Okay. Like she really took the substance and guess who came out? Timothee Chalamet. I wish I knew what I was talking about when I said that, but I know I'm too awesome. I'll let you have it. I'll let you have it. But you know what I mean? I don't know. She has a lot of sons.
I think Demi Moore is such a captivating, I mean, beautiful, obviously, but she is such an American movie star where she's such a capable actor in a way that I just really am intrigued by.
I would say a healthy mix of both. That's what I mean. She's had, like, such a strange career of, like, never doing stuff that's, like, super, super highbrow. Like, it's not like she was, like, in A Big Little Lies or something like that. Or even, like, she doesn't have, like, Nicole Kidman's output. You know what I mean? But then again, it's, like, she's been in so many iconic movies. G.I.
Jane, Ghost, St. Elmo's Fire. Charlie's.
And also in the way that like I think her – I don't know. I mean I think we talked about this before how like the most like formative celebrity relationship or one of them for me was Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher. Yeah. I like couldn't get enough.
And just like the public conversation on her aging as like being like an older girlfriend was, it feels so meta in conversation with like this movie and how it thinks about the kind of like replaceability of a woman.
Yes, exactly. It's not just like a reaction. It really feels like a true kind of like reflection, like meta commentary. Yeah. Love her. Wait, but you actually do love her.