Hunter Harris
Appearances
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Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Let Me Say This. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Classic Rachel Sennett. You're so stupid. We got her. She's bi-coastal too now. I don't want to hear her peep. I'm not bi-coastal. Oh, I'm here for the time being. You said this is all temporary. This is a temporary.
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Okay, someone didn't watch True Blood. Someone didn't watch Vampire Diaries. I'm a fangbanger for real. I, of course, watch True Blood. And one more time to camera. I want to clip that and send it to your mom whenever you piss me off. I'm a fangbanger for real. You're sick. That was crazy.
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Shout out to Ryan, though. And also shout out to, I didn't know Hailee Steinfeld was black, by the way. You did? You knew your sister?
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Question for the culture. When you were watching the pitch of the vampires being like, we could live in, like, a post-racial society if you guys just join us, were you kind of convinced? You would have gone outside. I would have gone outside. You would have gone outside. I seen Bella Swan. She looking good. She got thick after she turned. I said, maybe me too. I would have gone outside.
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Yeah. To be like, I was just in there. Come on, stop playing with me. Please. Like, that would be me, actually. That would be me to you. That really would be. Unconvincing.
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We go to Beyonce, you say, come on in, Peyton. Let's see what happens. No, I'm saying, why don't you come on in my car? Come on in my Lyft. I was convinced. They got me. And that's on being biracial. Yeah, for sure. For sure.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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So like once a month, we basically let Hunter rattle off for about like 10 minutes on a thing. Usually it's Housewives. And this is a different kind of white terror. I will say, though, Hunter pitched. What's it called? What's the show called? A Body in the Snow. The Trial of Karen Reid. Fix your face now. Your neck is moving in a crazy way. She's like, I don't play by my girl, Karen. And I don't.
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Can confirm on the record. But also, was it a weird experience in Stockholm?
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And Karen, get behind me. And I will say at like 10 o'clock last night, I was like, okay, like I'll try to watch a few episodes. And I woke up this morning and watched two and wish I desperately had more time. When have I ever led you astray? Catherine Cold Birdie. Love. Karen Reid. Moving to New York outside of Boston.
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Calling his murder scene the afters is so funny and so evil.
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I mean, I only watched the first two episodes. And even like the voicemail, I think she left him because she was like, he went into the house fully. Like this is what Karen claims is that he went into the house and she was left out waiting for him to try and figure out if it was fine for him to go in or not. And then just left him there. Which makes sense. I'm going to leave my man too.
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Viola calls Karen. Girl, listen to me. But when I knew that I was locked in for something so delicious was when... Is it when she recounts how many drinks that she had?
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Queen shit. But it was when I was watching the people, like the narrative start to shift, people started cheering for Karen and like advocating for her. And people were saying... Let freedom ring as if the soul of Martin Luther King himself had entered their body to fight for this woman named Karen. I love that her name is Karen.
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And when people described it as, you know, either you're pro Karen or you're pro police. Isn't that the way? I was like, sometimes. Yeah, I took Spanish for seven weeks, but why not both is what that means. Anyway, that's when I knew something really white and something really stupid was going to happen. This has divided the state of Massachusetts. It has divided the city of Boston. So I've heard.
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She keeps an ear to the streets in Boston. She doesn't return herself, but she's intel. I gotta know.
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It was like YSL loafers and spilling tea. You should have told me that because now I'm activated. She's perked up. I really am. Can you go ahead and spoil it for me? I love a spoiler. I don't care. Of like, well, what ends up happening in terms of I had gone to they started to find like the car pieces that they found were only the taillight.
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Because I was going to say, when it cuts to his arm, I was like, that doesn't look... As someone who's famously been hit by multiple vehicles... Looks like cuts. And she was saying he had a... Cuts on his face.
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Wasn't there a thing where they said that she was saying, claiming that she killed him over and over, and then they play all the audio and there's not one quote of her saying that?
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Mine was actually a family reunion. I went with me, my best friend Evan, and then our moms. But something, I have to admit something on the pod. This gets Alicia canceled. I know Alicia is not a member of the Beehive. She wants to be.
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Sitting outside waiting for a result. I see that for you, actually. Reporting on the ground.
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Well, many such cases. And this year's theme, Superfine Tailoring Black Style, and it explores the importance of style to the formation of Black identities in the Atlantic diaspora, particularly in the United States and Europe. And here are our coaches. Coleman Domingo, thank God. If he wasn't a coacher, I'd actually be pissed. Lewis Hamilton. A$AP Rocky. I'll say also thank God on that one, too.
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She's an ally to the community, but she did, right after Renaissance, which was so fun, of course, went to Ed Sheeran and had the nerve to say, Ed Sheeran, yeah, that was more fun than Beyonce. She was like, he's a performer. I was like, oh my God, you're going to get shot. The race war begins now and we're on the losing team, but... Yeah.
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No, he knows how to do one thing. It's dress. It's wear a suit. Ooh. He knows how to wear a suit. That's a pretty man. I'll say that. Go ahead, Rihanna. Get your bad bitch. Pharrell and LeBron as honorary co-chair. Meaning he has a real job. He has a day job. He said, I'm not for you. I don't know what to tell you. He's like, I'm busy.
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Excuse me. Sorry. Winning games over here. LA. Okay. One, I can't wait to see Coleman Domingo. Yeah. I feel like that's going to be our saving grace and continuously has been. Yeah. I can't wait to see A$AP Rocky. And by proxy, I can't wait to see Rihanna if she shows up at all. Well, she has to show up.
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It'll just be like, actually, maybe she'll show up on time. Oh, I guess, yeah, she'll have to get there early. Because her whole thing is always showing up and pissing everyone off.
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I'm so excited for this. First people I want to see coming to mind, Queen Latifah.
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I mean, because I feel like a lot of Tom Brown was using that shoe. And when you think of like tailoring and suiting, it's Tom Brown.
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Oh, yeah. And then hear me out. I want Steve Harvey on this carpet. I want Steve Harvey and all his teeth on that carpet. He's fitted as fuck.
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The suit was wearing him before and now he's wearing the suit. Yeah. And thank God for growth.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. The only lesbian that pisses me off in a suit is Janelle Monáe. I don't know why it's not there for me. Sorry.
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Well, I want Rihanna and A$AP to redo what they did last year. Last year? Do you remember when they showed up in, like, a blanket and a beanie? Oh, you want that again. No, no, I need a redemption arc from that.
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Because you can't be late and wearing a blanket. Yeah. Even though me in high school, actually, like, every day.
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I just felt like because she had so many years of literally being, like, best dressed, turning it all out, the heavenly bodies...
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Okay, so I did get a DM request to talk about, I don't know, our little trip to Disneyland for my third birthday celebration. As in I celebrated my birthday a few times.
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Oh, I wasn't looking at the numbers, but definitely the looks. That year was one of my favorites. And so was not Karl Lagerfeld year. That was crazy. Sleeping Beauties was kind of fun, too, to me. But anyway, I want to see Rihanna make a comeback from whatever the hell that was last year. I can't wait to see Zendaya, of course. Of course.
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Yeah, because I feel like that's also like a big part of his now, like his look now. His suiting? Yeah, especially after Igor. I feel like he had that like little like tight tailored look for a minute. Yeah, I think he's still doing that. Oh, well, good for him. Consistent. You know who I don't want to see? Cara Delevingne.
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Sorry. No, I'm over her. She seems healthy and happy and that's all I want for her. She's the bodyguard of my woman, Megan Thee Stallion. Keep her safe. But the looks that that girl turns are always so treacherous. And she doesn't do suiting well. And I just, not with her, but I do, I'm fearful of this theme. White people, as we just mentioned, can get real ambitious real fast.
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I don't know what Katy Perry's going to do. Send her back to space for this one.
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Wear a nude lip and a basic dress and a high pony or whatever. Oh, my God.
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I really liked Naomi Aki's look in this Vogue shoe, if that's where she's hopefully leaning into in her styling, because she looks good as hell in the suit.
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Well, now that Karen Delevingne is hopefully sober, not her, but who? I guess we'll have to watch the space and see. Who are our most ambitious white people right now? They all kind of dialed it back. Billie Eilish?
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And she better stand on it. I swear to God, she comes in a little dress.
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are too online, so you don't have to be.
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Yeah, we're going on vocal rest for two weeks, but we will be back May 21st. Mark your calendars.
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Yeah, we'll return. You're welcome. We will be back. And stronger than ever.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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See, that was on y'all. You should have looked at my location before you left to know that I did not leave L.A. County.
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Okay, we were not late because of me, though. We were late because I went with the black car and Hunter, unfortunately, went with the white car. So they were on time. Whites plus.
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matthew okay listen listen we get to haunted mansion use our fast pass the one of three fast passes we could actually use and a few fast passes we later stole no not apologies to disney and we get to the front of haunted mansion only for the ride to break immediately due to tariffs due to the tariffs no i don't know or something and a man named matthew that works that ride came out and was like we are doing all week
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Well, let's set up. Okay, we are in LA right now because... Can't you tell? Everything looks better. Everything looks nicer. She's addicted. She loves this life. No, no. Ooh, she's about to get a lobotomy. I can't wait. I can't wait. We're in L.A., yeah. We're in L.A. to see a little friend of ours. A good friend. We go way back to childhood, actually. I've been knowing her for a minute.
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hand for you, whatever you need. Like, we all try to get it. Like, please just wait five minutes. And we are waiting there. Listen, we are run down. We are ragged. We have been with my brother, Louis Dix III, all damn day. That is a full-time job in itself. And he says, just five minutes. When I tell you, Hunter immediately sets an alarm, points it to Matthew, and says, go.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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Yeah. So the logline for this is, trying to leave their troubled lives behind, twin brothers return to their hometown to start again, only to discover that an even greater evil is waiting to welcome them back. The twin brothers in question, both being played by Michael B. Jordan.
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Did he do that PR stunt relationship with Lori Harvey after that?
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Heard of her? Well, you won't stop hearing about it because we'll be talking about this for forever. We are going to Cowboy Carter. Opening night. Opening night.
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After Sinners, not like Fruitvale Station. He was fantastic in that.
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What did you say about the way he was playing it in your newsletter? It was so funny. Like, what characters he was playing Smoke and Stack as. When I was watching it, I was thinking Michael B. Jordan was playing Stack as if he was his role in Black Panther. And then Smoke as if he was Creed. Mm-hmm. Well, I love a villain. What can I say? Well, okay, bad girl.
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Call Billie Eilish. I'm a bad girl. Don't do all that. But I actually, can I get something wide off my chest? I'm going to say something real Caucasian. You love Hailee Steinfeld. Duh, of course. I'm an adult who watched Pitch Perfect 2. I have ears. Where was she on the track? Okay. No, you know who I love? Lola Kirk.
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Oh. Oh. And that's being gay and being straight. My first thought was, oh, everybody's eating pussy here. Everybody.
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If you don't know who we're talking about, you posted to Black Square and you archived it later. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Wow.
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Period, Hunter. We... Oh, God. Can't wait. We didn't go to Renaissance together, but we will be going. We almost did. But Hunter went to Stockholm.
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I was like, is this supposed to be like campy? I actually came away from the whole movie being like, was this supposed to be campy? In a way, I don't think Ryan Coogler is interested in doing camp. But that scene took me so far out of the movie, I will say.
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I loved the score of the movie. Yeah. I felt like that scene felt very ho-tep-y. I didn't like it. I didn't need that. I think there were other maybe visual ways we could have played with that. This felt super on the nose with the voiceover that was happening, I think, at the same time of explaining.
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I thought that it came back for some reason. Even if it didn't, though, I just felt like it really took me out of being present in a movie that I was already having so much fun with. Interesting. And I didn't... It didn't resonate with me. Interesting. It, like, annoyed me, in fact. Okay.
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You invited me to come. Oh, she does play about me. My God. Yeah, I really do.
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But also it was in like the it's not just OK, let me be clear that it wasn't just a scene itself. It was also the styling of both of those scenes. Like the wardrobe felt campy. It felt like there were other things you could have to indicate the 80s, like put them in that didn't feel too overtly performative.
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Like something about it felt like, no, there's a way to nod to the 80s without doing like the classic specs and like her ponytail. I mean, Hayley was walking that walk, though, for sure. And but like, I don't know, that took me right back out of it again. I had so much. I haven't had this much fun yet, probably since Challengers in the movie.
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And the things that something else that kind of took me out was when the I forgot her name, but the Asian mother was like, let him in. Like, let's rip. Oh, yeah. That felt rushed to me. But at the same time, I was like, well, we have a job to do, which is like fight some vampires. So like, I guess let's get to it. But it did kind of feel rushed. Rushed in random a little bit.
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Like I loved watching how much play happened in that, the blood bank scene where just all of a sudden the blood is just on every single person. But the true breakout star, Kayla Mejia.
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There's some teachings that need to happen. The part where Kiki Palmer was like, are you okay? And she goes, are you? Oh, she was sending me.
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How did the dick print go over for your community? Screaming. Screaming. I needed to be in the Baldwin Hills Magic Johnson Theater watching that moment. I wanted to hear the roar of laughter the same way. I wish I heard a little bit more in Alamo Drafthouse, Brooklyn.
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Why? Shut up. Anyway, so you said we don't need to laugh that hard at Dick Prince. We're like, you're gay. You're like, what are you laughing at? You don't even know what that means. You don't even know what that means.
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Wait, but I want to hold space for something really important. Let's talk about, and here I go, stretching before I reach, the queer undertones of Keke Palmer's character. The line of her saying when she was walking through that crowd of men, she was like, I don't even like men. The other line of her saying to SZA, you ain't even my type. You want to marry me so bad.
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There were so many indications that were like around her character. It seemed that she was supposed to be queer in my very lesbian head. And am I projecting? Sure. Do I care? No. Okay. You didn't see it? Honestly, I was just like, don't look at me like that.
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Oh, my God. See, I love the way you find yourself into the narrative.
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With the $8,000 off, I was like, what? I had so much fun during this movie. I saw every character, even the side characters, even the small moans were so much fun. I will say the only unbelievable part was they were walking that much in L.A.,
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Let them call a quick Uber. Oh, wait, no, they're broke. They can't do that. Maybe Uber. A lot of broke people call Uber. But that's true. You know what I love? Because SZA's hair, done. Nails, did.
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They're like, we can't pay rent, but we look so good. Listen, I loved it.
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It's like that meme that kind of went around for a while. It's this girl with like a blue fur coat. Oh, wait, is this from Top Model? I don't know if it's from Top Model. And I'm pretty sure it's an Andre Leon tally quote or it's from Top Model. Either way, it was a reference to that. Okay, okay. But it is still very us and very correct. Should we try that like Hot Cheetos martini?
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I don't like Hot Cheetos or martinis. Same, actually. I just wanted to have fun. You know me.
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I'll hear that, actually. But I will say like my dad had sent a group chat. He never, he doesn't drink at all, but he will drink if the Eagles win. And he sent this photo that's just clearly like, okay, so you're wasted, sir. You're wasted. Eagles equal Super Bowl caption. Like him and then like some random lady that was just in the sports bar that they're at.
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You wish. I'm Maude Apatow. coming in and gentrifying. That's what I'm doing.
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Okay. No, literally I was like born in like a house that was right around the corner from there. Lines that I love besides the implications that Kiki was queer is little miss knockoff sexy red when they're trying to fake bond. And then she was like, oh, you know, it was before you had your ass. And she stops and goes, ass been fat. Yeah.
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Again, anything that reminded me of Evan Nicole Brown, again, a name you'll hear spiritually, ethically all the time in this podcast. I didn't hear it ethically all the time. Sit with it. Let it rock. It means something. And then there's something so specific about when she greets that murderer and it's like, Grand Rising King. It was like...
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My trainer says grand rising and I said, that's my guy. Yes.
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But I will say I want more, I want more SZA. I want more like crossover of actors, singer, like let's do it for the right people.
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I loved her. I loved Kiki. Love Kiki in everything. Put Kiki in everything. I mean, she is kind of in everything, actually. She really is.
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This podcast. This podcast. This is a call to action now. We're not calling you out. We're calling you in. It's a safe space.
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Different cities. Give me 14 more of them right now.
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And my mom was like, LOL, like this is weird. Yeah. And my dad goes, you're jealous. Divorced in 2008. Just remember that. Divorced in 2008 and they're still playing games. Pause. You're jealous. Wait, bitchy. That's so funny. I'm like, you're never getting her back like this. Like your dad is truly comedian. Literally. No, he's just a tourist man. But I have to say something about the Eagles.
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Okay, so Hunter has a pimple today. All right. Not just a pimple, a big zit. A big old zit. But that's okay. Why? Because today we have Sophie Pavitt, who is a New York-based skincare expert and licensed esthetician, rethinking the way to care for problematic skin. Her clients include Zendaya. Heard of her? She might be in the room with us right now.
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Lorde, Chloe Sevigny, Margaret Qualley, kind of like the girls about town. And yeah, Hunter Harris too, who wrote that down and made me say it. Yeah.
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We're so happy that our skin has been touched by you.
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kind of taking care of people while getting a beautiful facial care.
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Yeah, but imagine what I would be like as a 14-year-old with a fucking pimple patch. I would be ruling that school.
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Things would be so different if I could just do one. Oh my God, you'd be a menace. I would be a menace. You wouldn't be able to stop me. You'll see me come and they run.
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Okay. This is actually not about the Eagles. This is about a man named Jalen Hurts. Straight people made one singular point. That's a man. With Jalen Hurts. I might be gay, but I'm not blind. Let me take these off. Let me take these sunglasses off right now. I'm not blind. Oh, baby. Now that. That's a man. That's a man with a chain. You saw that big ass chain?
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Yeah. And I think like the topical aspect of like if you have an event versus like, okay, listen, you can go to town and my face is going to look so crazy after, but I know in a few days it'll be a glow. I'll be Zendaya actually. I'll be Zendaya the group. But we're curious because there is so many things now that you can do to your face. What do you think people are doing too much of?
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And why are you taking advice from a 22-year-old? I'm like, you're 18. You haven't even gone through puberty yet.
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Okay? Let me start there. Because they never have the problems I have. Yeah. And some teens, in fact, too, which is like teen boys being like, yeah, you need this neck cream, you old witch. That's how I'm using it. I'm like, what the fuck? And then I buy it.
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And that one photo of him with like his tongue out after he won, teeth just so straight and so white. I'm getting actually a little. Is the black queen in the room with us right now? Yes, right. Oh, me.
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No, but I once had said like, oh, death to TikTok shop, but not in the way that I know it's like so lucrative for so many small businesses and creators. But like in the way that anyone can sell anything is so harmful.
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At the same time, I want to ask you, like, how has the Internet or social media helped you like in your career and in your product line?
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I'm the 22-year-old boy in question. I'm the problem, actually. I don't know.
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I was just about to order. Okay, interesting. Well, actually, right now, honestly, thank you to your Mandelix serum I've been using for the last month. My skin, my girlfriend one morning wakes up and she has perfect skin, so I'm just trying to keep up. Touched my face and said, you have no pores.
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Say that. Yeah. Well, we have our poll quote. Oh my God. And all, all God's children, of course, all your children, of course. But what's your favorite product if you had to pick?
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We're living proof, actually, honestly. Yeah.
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This is a very personal question. This is just advice for us. I need to get into red light therapy. Are we pro lover hater red light therapy?
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I'll drop DM me. I'll drop you her address and then give me, just give me the red light.
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Seriously. If you want to be looking like this, look at these cameras. Look at this 4K HD. Get your ass to Sephora right now. Okay, so you have a gift for us.
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Get it with the runway quality about her. I love that. Oh my God. Call back to earlier.
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Oh, my God. Thank you so much. No, privilege is amazing. I'm like, we win. We only started this podcast. It is not launched.
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Hunter is wearing a all heather gray, head to toe, long dress.
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And some nasty shit goes down there for sure. But we didn't watch the inauguration, but there are some things we saw.
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In this remix. By the way, that was like nice. The tone in that was...
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White on white crime. Not even white on white crime.
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I was just going to say, I'm like, no wonder you're activated.
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Kind of like you and me. Oh, well, I love how you found a way to bring it back. That is very Real Housewives. Is there a Real Housewives of DC? It is. There was that one time.
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And then it got canceled. Sure, sure. So just our government.
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Do you think that what's-his-name-from-Glee is going to do a feud, Jill and Nancy? Ryan Murphy, you mean? What's-his-name-from-Glee, I mean. Yeah, Ryan Murphy. Too many white gays. Like, I'm doing my best.
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two in line, so you don't have to be.
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And that's the Taylor Swift effect. We could talk about that for a minute, but Jalen Hurts. We're holding out for you, baby. You and I guess my dad. So he's like nice to me for the rest of the year.
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We have our Roni update, so watch this video. No, I know. I'm sorry.
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And don't forget that we have a bonus segment that drops every Thursday only on Wondery Plus. This week, we're talking about Oscar nominations. So subscribe to Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts to check that out. So hold on, let me say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions? Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second?
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Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space. To talk shit. But of course. From Wondery, I'm Peyton Diggs. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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Okay, spoiler, if you haven't seen One of Them Days yet, starring Kiki Palmer and SZA, then for, I don't know, 15, maybe 20 minutes, I'll catch you on the other side of it. But if you have seen it, ooh, you're in for a treat. So One of Them Days is a buddy comedy starring our sister in Wondery, Kiki Palmer and SZA.
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The movie follows the two who are roommates and besties, and they hustle to figure out Say it with me. Trigger warning. Paying their rent. First of all, 95% on Rotten Tomatoes. Let's look at those numbers. Let's celebrate that. Let's celebrate that. Let's wake up that conversation. And opening weekend, it made $12 million on a budget of $14 million.
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And probably made a couple million more because I was sat in that theater. And my theater was packed, too. Okay, let's start there. The theater experience. Wait, what theater did you go to? I went to Alamo Drafthouse in downtown Brooklyn. Ugh, I hate Alamo Drafthouse. Well, it's walking distance. So where'd you go? From who?
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From, I guess I shouldn't say me in case somebody's listening in a weird way. But that is like not walking distance from you. Yeah. Sorry. Do you hate to get your steps in?
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How did it feel to be talking to a future self?
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And she stood on business. How, what happened in your theater? Okay, well, it's so funny you ask. There was also a grandmother lady woman in my theater, in my row, who was, sure, on the phone a few times to where everyone was like, So you kind of, you have to. And in Alamo too, they're like strict about that. Yeah. But like, it was on a phone call, not even like filming.
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She don't even, she don't look like she knew how to film. Obviously I wouldn't think she was filming. In the beginning of the movie, we had gotten there and we're trying to basically move over one seat. I caused an issue, but granny was also in the wrong seat. So then there were two issues happening. So granny's seat is in the wrong place. So she messed that up.
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And then I messed it up even more by thinking I moved two people over. Correctly, I didn't. Okay, so woman next to me, she gets so mad. Fuck you if you somehow find this podcast. Was she white? No, black with an attitude. And she was like- Well, representation. Well, me. And normally I can, well, you. So I'm accustomed to this. I'm accustomed to this kind of dynamic.
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Anyway, how are you? Who cares about how I'm doing? Let's talk about how my dad is doing, okay? I'm doing well because my father is doing well and I'm not going to have an attitude for the next few months because the Eagles are going to the Super Bowl. Oh my God, sports podcast. Yeah, sports podcast, we're pivoting. If you have a black dad from Philly, first of all, stronger than the troops.
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No, you had it right the first time. And then I was like, Mars, my partner, gets up to be like, hey, do you? She goes, no, no, no, no, no, no. Every time she's literally asking to move over one- And Mars is such a sweetie pie too. I literally put my hand up. I said, leave her alone. She was like, I'm seat nine. I refuse to move to seat 10. One seat over.
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And then was like so, I don't know, like pissed about the situation that she's under her breath. Like, I'm asking for my money back. Because someone asked me to move one seat over, but then the woman did start talking on the phone during the middle of the movie.
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Oh, she had a bad day. The funny thing, the way it ended, I know we're not even talking about the movie, but this is funny, is I got a wine for me and Mars. We had to sit apart, so I felt bad. Oh, you sat apart.
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It was sold out almost everywhere. And then I got a wine and the guy gives me the wine. I pull out my credit card and he was like, oh no, like on the house. That was so complicated earlier. I'm sorry. And then I was thinking, well, it was my fault actually. Like I made it complicated. Wow. And I got free wine. So that's what a good attitude will do to you. It was just one of them days. Wow. Wow.
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Yeah. So that is perfectly thematic for the messy movie and the messy experience. Interesting.
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If you've ever been chased by a bitch with a fat ass and some red hair.
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Yes. So watch out. And she got a fat ass too. Shout out to that body. She should be the her for Halloween. Wait. Yeah. Oh my gosh.
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I loved it. And I loved kind of for the opposite reason. I loved how much of a specific part of LA, Baldwin Village, Baldwin Hills was incorporated. Mm-hmm. I literally grew up like three blocks from where they shot in like Baldwin Hills. What? You heard me. You can't be a Nepo baby if you lived above the jungle. Like people were getting shot and Hunter's like, Nepo baby.
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And I'm like, no, I can hear bullets. Like that's not what that is. Great view though. But, and it's so funny because like even at the end of the movie, like that neighborhood, my mom moved, but like is so different. Like once I saw white gays moving in, I said, so there's trouble afoot.
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Second off, it's your week. It's your time to shine. Because growing up with my father, being a diehard Eagles fan, my mom would take me and my brother, we'd leave the house. Okay? Until either it could go one of two ways. Either we're coming back and we're celebrating. We're eating McDonald's tonight. We're going crazy. Or it's like, don't speak to dad. Okay? He's going through it. All right?
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Maud or Iris? Iris. Mud. Mud. Yeah. But I loved like one, the references there, I loved, was very confused by her working in a Norm's and Norm's being a place to eat. Norm's is disgusting. Well, she's trying to work her way out of it. Oh, no. Well, she did. And thank God for that. It's Spoiler alert. But Norm's, the opening there made me scared for my life.
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I had poison in there that really took a bitch out. But I loved it. I thought Kiki, again, like a star in everything, original multi-hyphenate. SZA, my sister, I do feel like, were you playing yourself to a certain degree? The big ass date necklaces, the eat, pray, love, the little bit of a ho-tep, the down bad for a man.
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But I loved her in it. I loved their chemistry together. I will say that.
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Who's the third person? Kendrick? Oh, Kendrick Lamar. Yeah.
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But then I also was going to say some breakout stars for us. Yes. Some breakout stars. Yes. I was about to open with Cat Williams. Have you heard from breakout star? Up and coming. No, but Cat Williams.
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But like mean nurses and nurses who don't know what they're doing. There's some blending that happens there too, don't you worry. But that was so in that scene. Okay, Kamala with a Venn diagram. So there's some learnings that need to happen here. But I feel like that scene in general and this movie in general reminded me like how fun physical comedy can be when it's done right.
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And yet a really playful youthfulness to them that they execute really well.
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uh what's your name lawson bianca lawson yes yeah that doesn't bother me at all because it's like when you're 17 watching a show about teenagers on tv you want them to look older because that's how you want to you want to feel more adult that isn't i feel like we lost it after like wizards of waverly place when everyone was like you're actually too young to be looking at for some reason i will say though the sex scene that they have the first time they they don't even have sex they basically dry hump and he comes but i didn't like looking at his butt for so long
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Like you were performing having sex. You were like, this is what I think it looks and feels like.
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There was something though that she did with her foot where I was like, you ain't know about all that yet. What you doing with your, put your toes down. What are you doing with your toes, girl? But that was very specific to me. But, you know, off of that, I'm curious how you feel, because I'm back and forth on this, about the amount of texting in the show.
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I was walking around, like, you know, on my computer, half watching the show, and I would realize there would just be no audio, but because there was just so much texting going on. Yeah. And at first, like a phone will really pull me out of a movie or a show.
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But then when I went and like sat my ass down, I was like, oh, I actually think that they did a really good job of showing the anxiety of texting.
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The stress of waiting for a text back. Yeah. And so I ended up feeling fine about it. But I struggle with how much time is spent on a phone or is that just reality of like this is what year is it? I don't know.
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You're sad I'm returning. Got your ass. I can tell that. No, 30s, I'm like, that's sexy. Being in your 20s is a prison. Get out of there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I've always had older friends strategically for a reason. So that I could be like. Oh, you love being the young friend.
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What have we always said? Every black girl needs one white bitch that she doesn't play about. She said, get behind me, Chloe, in the race where I got you. And Chloe said, we going to Martha's Vineyard, okay?
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That's for no one else listening except for one person. One other hit that I loved about this show, the dialogue. I think it's hard to write teens. It's hard to write teens now in a way that I think young people really resonate with. And I love the language that they use that felt like not pandering. Even small bits.
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One of my favorite lines was when Keisha was acting a little crazy and she goes, sorry, I'm a Scorpio. First of all, many apologies need to be made. Some from my mother, actually, a Scorpio woman. But just like... a thing that didn't really add to the moment, but was small.
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And they have a lot of lines like that, that I feel like remind you of who these characters are, how young they are, what their world is like in a way that feels like nuanced and Like, you actually talk to teenagers. You know what they talk about. You know how they engage with each other.
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You know how earlier and always we'd be saying a black woman always needs a white bitch she don't play about? That's me and Jojo Siwa. Get behind me, girl. They coming for you. Okay. They coming for you. Okay. And I got you with me. Jojo, shout out to our sister in Christ. One time podcast guest. Our famous podcast guest taught us the Karma's a Bitch dance.
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Hunter's neck stayed in place somehow during it, but nevertheless, we persisted. Jojo is in some hot water right now. Let me tell you about it.
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That's just one of the hot waters. She's in a lot of hot waters. She's been dipping her toes. So Jojo Siwa has, in many ways, hard-launched her bisexuality, if you will. Or, you know, I would say she's shifted her ID as being queer. Coming after her perceived romance, but it's like, what do you call a hand on a knee so many times? Many such excuses.
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with co-star on Big Brother, celebrity Big Brother, Chris Hughes. I don't know who this man is. I don't know where he comes from. I didn't even bother to Google him.
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I don't know who, well, I know JoJo for sure. That's my girl. Dance Moms alum, shout out to you. She's someone that goes full out. But there was speculation around their relationship on the show. Everyone being like, why are they cuddling so close? What's up with that? Like, she's a lesbian. She actually came onto the show having had a partner.
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I will say her partner, her former partner before Chris, Idita's non-binary. And so I think the word lesbian for her, there's a rich history there, but at that specific time going into the show was already kind of hazy. Well before the show, again, my sis loves to be in some hot water, had explicitly said that she doesn't like the word lesbian, even though that's how she at the time was IDing.
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She just said it was not necessarily a dirty word, but it reminded her of the word moist. Totally.
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Wow, you are. You very are straight but not narrow. But it really upset a lot of people. It really upset a lot of lesbians specifically, but also a lot of young lesbians. A lot of people who feel very beholden to the word. And, you know, I'm going to go on my, I'm going to step up on my soapbox for a minute. Because there's two things that are happening. One...
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JoJo Siwa coming out was simply major. I think she came out in like 2021.
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For having the platform that she did, the reach she did to specifically young people is something that I think to a lot of like cool queers was like whatever, but to her audience is a huge deal because like you're affecting so many lives of so many children in such, I think, a beautiful way, of course, but the backlash that she received for coming out as a lesbian or even just queer in general, I don't think she ID'd as lesbian specifically until later.
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And I also think she didn't just come out. She kicked that closet door open.
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She stomped out CMO. She's acting president and chief financial officer. And she came out with a bang, but I really appreciated it for what it was worth. I think it's fun when gay people are, just as straight people have been, messy people. and maybe a little sloppy at some points and kind of chaotic, but that's the point of it all, right?
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When you put that lip line on, you're like... Every morning, I say, go get them, girl. Act just like Hunter's people and tear some shit up. But something that I think we need to talk about in the backlash of this is that so many people are distraught that she is possibly bi now by dating this guy. I'm concerned that he is 32 and she's 21, right? Oh. Yeah. Oh.
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Let's wake that conversation up, which for some reason is not being talked about. Like, you look in all of her comments, and all of her comments are, like, classic, like, fake lesbian dating a guy now. Like, why is she dating a man? Girl. She's a girl and that's a man. That's a grown man. I really don't like, I'm pro age gap relationship after your brain is developed.
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Hand on thigh was just the shot. Like, no faces. Just straight aerial view. Thigh.
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Yeah. It's just so, I don't know. It just was upsetting me the reaction to her being queer and bi because I love a lesbian that doesn't stand on business.
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I'll say it's pretty loud. It's loud. Shoot. I got to work on that, I guess. Let's get loud. Let's get loud. Going back to Big Brother for a second, a few things happened there that I, again, was pro, but against. Pro, Chris defending JoJo Siwa when Mickey Rourke... Mickey Rourke. Ooh. was basically being homophobic. He was like calling, he was like, let's get that lesbian out.
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Me and Mickey Rourke equals, but not, no. I hated that. Take that, I take that so back. But he was being so misogynistic to her, so homophobic, was like insinuating that she wouldn't be gay by the time, like if he stayed on the show, which first of all, you're 105, bro.
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and your face looks like it's melting off every second, and you have the nerve to come running your mouth to this poor 21-year-old girl who's just trying to pop lock and drop it, leave her alone.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, from a distance. That's more of like... you know, on Twitter thing. But then, you know, Chris came to her defense in that. And I feel like, okay, we love an advocate. We love an ally in the room with us right now. Thank you. Listen, I'm listening to this conversation.
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You do not need to date your ally. That's why Hunter and I haven't made it work yet, just yet in that category. And so I don't know. I think that was kind of something I did have to stand. There can't be allied trade. Don't do that. Don't bring that here. That's not yours. Something that was iconic in Big Brother was the things Jojo Siwa does with copy will always impress me.
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Quote, I've always told myself I'm a lesbian, but I think being here I've realized, oh no, I'm not lesbian. I'm queer. And then had said, I'm switching letters. Fuck the L. I'm going to the Q.
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Lady Bird. Candy Burris. Candy Burris. To tie us back together. Anyway, I just, I want her to be as gay or straight or queer. You know, actually, I'm going to be serious for a second. Like our conversation about Lorde last week. It's like, that's kind of the point of like, understanding yourself when you're a young person.
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It's like, you're gay, you don't know how you identify, you feel forced to be put into a box. So she probably came out, thought she was only lesbian, and then is understanding that maybe she exists more on the spectrum. Hunter is nodding her head in a way that's like, I don't understand gay people.
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And that's what this segment was. Truly. I'm just nodding along. Anyway, JoJo, dump this man. Use it for PR if you need to for a little bit, but please get away from him after that.
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Like, if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.
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Hunter doesn't believe in polyamory. That's okay. And don't comment on it because I know it's true. I'm not good enough for them. No, I love them so much. Oh, what a PR. I'm not good enough for them. You're like, that's not that. I can smell a polyamorous relationship coming. I can't be in polyamory. I'm a Leo. That's true. Yeah. Okay. But you would ride in a threesome though.
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I'll go ahead and get on this mic. Make sure you can hear me loud and clear. Yo, this reminds me when Hailey and I got into a huge fight. I told Hales that she would never be on the cover of Vogue. Yikes, I know, so mean. For some reason, because I felt so disrespected. I thought, I gotta get even, dot, dot, dot. I think as we mature, we realize that we're not helping anything by getting even.
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We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, which is intimacy and connection. So baby, you already know, but forgive me for saying you wouldn't get a Vogue cover because clearly I was sadly mistaken. And I just... No credits and no tags, by the way.
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The thing about their relationship, though... is if you've been paying attention, he's always been her op. Like, from jump. Well, I mean... That slamming door video plays on repeat in my head. The Times Square one? Yes, when he hits her with the door. He slams the door behind him when he's getting out of the car.
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No, no. Rupi Kaur wrote this. I was like, what kind of poetry, slam poetry are you doing here? But to your point though, he is doing the opposite of what she was trying to do in the Vogue video specifically, where she is like, making fun of the fact that all these people have a very visceral opinion on her lived existence.
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Because Leos are always like, oh, me, centerpiece, I guess. For one night only.
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Like, pulling out the, oh, I have this iPhone, and just, I don't know, four more for creating fake profiles and stalking people and leaving comments online. Like, she's doing her best to be cheeky with it. It was a little over the top, in my opinion, the bit. It lasted too long in the video, but... her trying to get the redemption arc only for him to go ahead and post that dumb caption.
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You know, it's like corner of a building and then like shoe and then like dirt on the trash and then like Haley's corner of a face. It's very specific and maybe it's nuanced and artsy actually now that I'm thinking about it.
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He gave us a remix of Snooze, he locked in for that at least. And that is a better version. Well, a few things. That's a better version? Yeah, you don't like the Justin Bieber remix more?
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Yeah, you're that person that gets kidnapped and you're like, so why me? And they pull over like, get the fuck out of the car. We take this all back. Well, speaking of interviewing people, I spoke to Bella Ramsey for a, I think it's out now. I don't know when we're recording. What is time? For a cover story for Them. Oh, wow. Yeah, on The Last of Us. Very nice. They're awesome.
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I'm like, where did we go? How do we get back to what we were? The thing that's tough is also, I mean, there's so much to talk about, and we have obviously only a certain amount of time to talk about with Justin Bieber and... his history with his own fame, his mental health with drug addiction. And the sad thing is like, he doesn't look good right now. He looks really unhealthy.
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And so, you know, two things can be true. We don't need this caption on this post at all. It could have just been like a heart proud of you, babe, of course. But then there's also, well, there is a mental illness thing going on. And like, it does scare me, honestly. I mean, I could not fathom. I would never want to be as famous as he is and he has been his entire life. Yeah.
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But I just like... But you know whose job it is? His damn social media manager. Change the password. Take the phone off him.
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Don't give men Wi-Fi. This is why. No. LTE, take it away. This is why I'm never getting married. What will a husband do but embarrass me?
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Why are you talking about me at all? No, men hate women, but men hate women especially that they're married to. Right. Like, my biggest off, let's go to the fucking, let's take it home, you and I, put that ring on it. What is wrong with the, oh my God. Oh my goodness, no.
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But the thing is, I don't think they'll ever, I mean, considering the way religion plays a role in that household on both of them, they're never getting divorced.
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Let me say this, audience. We are calling on you. We started GoFundMe. Like, what is our plan? What is Joe Biden's plan to fix this relationship?
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Let's get him in rehab before we get him in, or a rehab that has a studio facility.
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I believe in the youth again, even though I just said like... You're under 30, kill yourself. But except for Bella Ramsey, who I will say, I don't know, not that like you're doing this to get a poll quote or anything, but something that really made me sit up was when they told me about how they like explored their gender identity on Club Penguin.
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Staying on business then. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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Was that your gospel? Were you Club Penguin-ing? What happened in Tulsa? I don't know. No Degrassi, no Club Penguin, no Joy. What's happening here?
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Church? Yeah, I was at church having your slurpy dates and whatever.
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Oh, God. And they're going to do it. They said they want to pick it back up. No, Catherine Colberti.
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Yeah, yeah, of course. It didn't make it in the piece, but I was like, Catherine Colberti. Like, I ride for Catherine.
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But we were talking about some of the parallels in Bella Ramsey's character on The Last of Us and, like, where, like, the Catherine Colbert-iness kind of comes out. And, like, in Ellie's portrayal of, like, her free-spirited side and her, like, silly and playful side, like, when it comes out during, you know, the zombie apocalypse.
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which is a rarity but when it does birdie boots um so if you're listening go read it oh i can't wait i can't wait but wow so much love in the air so much love in this room right now and listen because what are we talking about this week uh hello forever on netflix right now oh oh i locked in clocked in buckled up yeah i love love i love love and i love la
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say this let me say this are you looking for a home for your worst opinions are you a hater first but a lover of pop culture second consider this a glorified group chat but we're not calling you out no no no no we're calling you in it's a safe space to talk shit but of course from Wondery I'm Peyton Dix and I'm Hunter Harris and this is let me say this let me say this let me say this
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But I'm a Judy Blume head. My good Judy. My good Judy. That was gay ally of you, actually. Nice. Put the fist down. Okay. I didn't read this book, though. So I'd be interested to, you know, compare and contrast. But I... What's that tweet? Y'all afraid of being corny. I was born on the cob. I own property on the cob. We know. We know. You don't have to tell the group.
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But I knew it would be corny. And so I was like accepting of that fact. But I actually was so not only into the show, but I love the lead actress. What is her name? Oh, my gosh.
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Him having a meltdown about an essay. I mean, many such cases.
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Well, I also was going to say something that's really nice is not just like switching. I don't know how much class plays a role in the book because I obviously didn't read it. But I do feel like there's a really strong commentary of like disparity of wealth and like the scale of like black wealth within LA that you see in both their characters.
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That doesn't feel like it's hitting you over the head with it. Yeah. Like you obviously see a contrast in their lives. Like she is... more poor and he's probably living in Ladera somewhere. Upper Ladera too, to be specific. But yeah, I feel like her empathy for her mom is really well explored. Yeah. And her mom's, I guess she had to switch schools after the sex tape dropped, right? Yeah.
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And that's why specifically the cost of her going to school that she now has to pay for versus a full ride is weighing heavy on her and the amount of guilt. The amount of guilt even Alicia Keys, my mother, put me through. I said, I didn't even ask to go to this school. But she was like, every day. She said, you may not go back next year. Every day I work my ass off. And I'm like, girl, I know.
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I would complain about a teacher. My mom would be like, well, I saw a kid get shot. That's literally the scene in Lady Bird.
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live get his heart broken fall in love yeah play basketball if he wants to get good grades play basketball if he wants to hardly all he's doing is shooting some theories he ain't playing he ain't really hooping you know what it reminds me of though that was first of all let me see he ain't really hooping sitting like this what okay hold on i said okay okay okay liberty put the ball down sorry sorry um this reminds me of your brother
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Well, that's correct. That's the only correct response besides physical action.
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He did it before. He'll do it again. Lenny, you're fine, babe. No, I was going to say, it's so funny. When watching the show, obviously being black and from LA. Yeah, we never forget it. Just in case the audience is curious, I'll mention it one more time. But why did my mom deadass hit me with the... is this fucking play about us? She was like, they went to El Cholo in the first episode.
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We go to El Cholo. I was like, every black family in LA goes to El Cholo. It's like a very popular Mexican restaurant, but specifically with black families. And my mom was convinced that someone had stalked us and wrote this movie about us. Mind you, the only parallels, because my parents are, first of all, divorced, so let's remember that.
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My dad was like, maybe it is about us if we get back together. And then my dad spilled tea that... He was like, it's so funny, the creator of the show, Mara, also had a kid who only could shoot threes and wasn't that great in school. And I was like, hold on. The intel from my father, who, like, coaches basketball sometimes at Harvard Boats, like, it's just... Wow.
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Anyway, so... And that's the reporting we need on the front line. Yeah, let's, like, keep my ear to the ground in my family group chat.
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There's always a 3C curl pattern that tries to come between two lovers. I'll tell you that. I actually want to talk about the casting because I really love... I don't know their ages, the kids playing the leads, but I love whatever age they look. It's like this when you're a young person and you're a young teen, you're like looking for maybe like a older teen, late, early 20s kind of casting.
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Yeah. And when you're an adult watching a teen show, you don't want to feel like you're watching 13 year olds run amok. Or 35-year-olds run amok. And I feel like they all have this really nice look to them that doesn't feel too childish. Like the Disney casting of shows, it's like, who is this toddler that you are probably putting work for too many hours? I feel like they have a maturity to them.
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No. No, I went to a Q&A. After I saw the movie, I did a screening, which I did see there. Celebrity Todd from Real Housewives. Kandi Burruss, his husband. I don't know what his last name is. Todd Burruss? Anyway, Paul had said that this was like he'd only done one stunt before in his entire career before Gladiator 2. And what was it? Crying on normal people? I don't know. He didn't say.
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But I was like, that's so crazy. Oh, well, good for him. I did really like... What do you think about the two kings? I didn't realize one of them was dating Doja Cat. Yes.
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Yeah. I mean, I think he had more to do. He had more to work with in the, like his character was better too.
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Oh, well, Petra Pascal I really liked. He's not white.
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I didn't like any of that. That felt like it was right out of Harry Potter. Like, Harry Potter loves little things like that. Like, a little, like, I don't know. Oh, and now I'm the terse. He's no Effie from Hunger Games. I know you're not about to talk about my sister Effie on this podcast. I am talking about her. He's no her. He'll never be her. She has her career. You don't.
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Mm-mm, because let me tell you this. Gladiator 2 was not bringing their best. They just were not. Like, the Paul Muskell, talking to Paul Muskell pics, I was like, ugh, who cares about this stuff? Don't do that. Don't do that. It was just, I mean, and no disrespect to that woman, you know, I wish her the best, but it just was awkward to watch and, like, not fun at all.
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And I think truly Denzel and Ridley Scott are so like naturally funny and charismatic. I would have rather seen them just talking back and forth for weeks on end than any of this other kind of stuff that they were trying to do to sell this movie.
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Which wasn't even that much. Wasn't doing anything for me. When you have Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande giving performances of their lives.
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Working when no one's even asking them to. Doing complicated handholds. Hello? I mean, invented the form.
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Yes, they're holding space for defying gravity and taking power in that.
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But that's what I'm saying. It's like Gladiator had no shot against these two people.
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Like, if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.
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I was so excited. I was so happy. Even though you gave me the wrong directions. And so I went a full extra block in the rain. Let it go. No, I won't actually. I won't. But I was giddy. I was like, oh my gosh, it's like the magic of television. I'm seeing live comedy. Like I'm with everyone I love. Like, you know, your dad is so good at crowd work. Oh my gosh.
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For better or for worse, I'm still on Twitter. Yeah. For worse, I'd say. There's not really a version that's better. But I did read an amazing essay last week by our friend, the writer J.P. Brammer, about his decision to leave X, which is what used to be Twitter, what is now like a cesspool of honestly just like gross reply guys. But we have JP here with us.
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Okay, do you ever see a tweet and it's like, I laughed in a spiritually biblical way. Like I had tears running down my eyes when I saw this tweet. You get that all the time when you read my tweets. I knew you were going to say that. I'm going to let you have it today. You walked right into it. Okay, I need to show this to you. Okay, so Jack Schlossberg, who you're a pro, and I am ambivalent.
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Drop Help Rammer is a columnist, author, illustrator, and content creator based in Brooklyn. He writes the queer advice column Olapapi on Substack. And he is the author of Olapapi, How to Come Out in a Walmart Parking Lot and Other Life Lessons. And also, we're both from Oklahoma.
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You sound so healed. You're like on the other side. You're what my therapist like wants me to be. You sound so like. You talk to Glennon Doyle.
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That sounds like threads, but yeah, okay. Keep it going. Okay, we'll get to that. But I loved your essay called X Out, and it's on your sub stack. I think it captures so well the kind of like why I'm leaving New York essay-ish, but it's, first of all, good. And second of all, you can hold like an equal weight how much you liked using Twitter and how important it was to your career.
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But also how X, I think you wrote you've been successfully annoyed off like irritated off the app. Like there's no high minded like because of Elon, because of Trump. It's just truly because like the user experience is so bad and it's like not fun anymore. And I loved that.
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Yeah, you're really, really driving that point home.
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Well, true observations about Elon Musk. Yeah. I think one of them was that he does stuff that it's so of the culture of like people like 13 year old boys saying like slurs on like Halo. Thank you. That was the other one. Thank you. We got there. I've never played a video game. But like that was very funny.
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But that you understand how Elon wanted to like make, like kind of tame Twitter, like make Twitter bend to his will to get the approval of people who obviously hated him. And that's like a very Twitter, like very online sensibility to want to win someone over. But of course on Twitter, no one, you can't win anyone over.
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There's always going to be someone who's going to be like, let's do it mama, I know the law. There's always going to be that. There's always going to be that.
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And you are never. And they're 16 years old. Exactly. Someone in algebra tweeting like, okay, troglodyte. Right.
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Katie Katz literally tweeted my old address and it's like, oh, simply sorry. No, literally. I had to just close the doors and say. And thank God you moved.
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Not close at all. But Selenators, they've been kind of dormant, docile. They've been watching Only Murders in the Building. Yeah, what do they have to do? What do they have to fight for? They've been trying to find the murder in the building.
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Okay, I want to ask you at the moment that you were like, okay, Twitter is over for me because there's a tweet with Arby's involved and I want to hear about it.
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No, he totally was. No, your dad was like, oh, here, if you're blind, then take this. And the guy took it out of his hand and he said, oh, so I guess you're not blind right now then. No, it was all good fun. It was very fun.
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Like the self-righteousness. Yeah. It's so like insulting. Yes.
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Or you're using it to go to the Roc Nation brunch. Right.
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I want to talk about Hall of Fame nights on Twitter or like good Twitter memories because listen, I live and die by J.P. Bramer. Maybe so. That's so your signature. I love it. I miss them. I miss them already.
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Yes, totally. And the bigger Navy, but with an N. Oh, my God. A classic. Absolutely a classic.
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Yes. Any bad thing happens and it's like, oh God, I know Twitter's going to have something to say about that. Absolutely. And I can't wait. I have to be very solemn for a moment and ask, what are you doing without Club Chalamet? Yes. She's like Twitter exclusive. Not really, but almost.
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It's not only it's like defensiveness. It is like she's very strict with him. She doesn't just take everything, you know, Kylie Jenner. She's not just going to take, accept anything that he gives her.
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There was like a solid like three months when I would check threads and it would only be like, how do I get more engagement on threads? Like that's the only conversation that I saw, which was so, it was so weird. There was so, so, so much earnesty in a way that I was like, this is actually, I'm scared here.
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Now I'm holding my purse tighter in a different way because the last conversation I saw on threads was, should you serve drinks at an open bar at a wedding? And I was like, oh, this raggedy, low-end, dirty job. What are you doing with four people here? Oh. It was just like, oh my, like this is just shocking. Okay, sorry.
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Wait, I love that. I have to give a shout out though to him checking that white woman. Oh, so this is the situation. There's a white woman who is like coming like late to sit in this big crowd. And your dad was like, oh, like, okay, where are you going? And then the like stage manager was like, oh, everyone in this room needs to get up and move over one seat so that she can sit on the end. Yeah.
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Sorry. You want to be a billionaire's wife so bad. Yes. Yes. Yes. And if you're watching, I do.
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Wow. Well, JP, thank you so much for being here. Of course. This was so fun. And where can people find you? Blue Sky.
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What? Speak your truth, sister. First of all, you're talking about genocide. You don't even know Rome was like a conquering nation.
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we go. Well, let me tell you this. I love Thanksgiving. I love it. There's no pressure on Thanksgiving. I'm the baby of the family, so I don't have to do any cooking. Baby of the family? You are an only child. I don't have to do any cooking. All I have to do is just help clean up a little bit, put away some dishes, and sit up and watch TV. Perfect. Perfect holiday.
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No gifts, no pressure of gifts, no having to pack gifts, think about gifts, pick out gifts, order gifts. Put them under a tree. None of that. There's none of that. Thanksgiving is a time for you to just go over to your aunt's house, eat some food, and go crazy. Okay, Denzel.
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And play Uno. And then listen to some music videos. Uno. And then it becomes music video o'clock. Okay. And then you get into a fight with someone over Beyonce. And, you know, whose side are you on? Who knows? Won't say it here. And then what else? Easy. Easy. Easy. And then, you know, someone does something that's kind of like... hmm, who did you vote for? But it's Thanksgiving.
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So you argue about it at the table. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you bring it up one more time. So you said, oh, say that one more time.
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Yes. No. If it were any other dinner, I'd be like, whatever, let's just get through this meal. Thanksgiving? No, let's actually go around Robin. Let's see what everyone thinks right now. I love Thanksgiving. Are you kidding? Oh, little outfits on Thanksgiving. Yes, you got to put on a little outfit for Thanksgiving. This is a nice dinner at home. Like you,
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Because there's like an empty seat, like kind of not in the middle, but like a little bit toward the middle. And your dad was like, oh, white privilege. And the stage manager kind of like barked back. She was like, it's not white privilege. It's production privilege. Yeah.
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It's like it seems to dress up just a little bit.
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That's absolutely not true. And how dare you? How dare you say that to me? I rinse plates too much.
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No, no, no, no, no. I love playing the fridge Tetris. I love getting the leftovers. You know when you finish eating and then you kind of like... Yeah, book it. I think you could do a little bit more. And then you kind of heat up, like, just, like, a side. Not Uno, though. Sorry, I'm still stuck on that. That's the worst game. Oh, that's your biracial side coming out.
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What is it called? Oh, my gestures. Oh, my God, I love gestures. I don't know that one, actually. It's, like, taboo, kind of, where, like, you, it's, like, pantomime meets acting. I don't know if you know, I know you're from LA, but, like, I'm an actress, so, yeah. Yeah. No, it's good. I love it. I love Thanksgiving so much. So you hate it so much because why?
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Actually, I don't really like... Sorry I'm such an activist. Big Christmas has taught you to hate Thanksgiving.
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I understand. You don't even love the Lord. You don't even, you don't even go to church. Maybe I do. No, because I, you know what, this is how I know you don't go to church. Because at your dad's comedy show, he was telling people to get up and like, he's like, oh, in a Baptist church, no one even has to tell you to stand up.
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You stand up when someone comes to the row, you stand up and let them pass and let them like squeeze, scoot through you. And you said, you're looking around. I said, I was giggling because I knew what that joke was. He said, in a Baptist church, there's none of this.
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It was like, it was out, even the white woman who was like being shifted, all this stuff was like happening for her benefit was like, oh, I'm not touching that. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Oh, it was amazing. Anyway, I love your dad's comedy. And he said that I'm very funny. He did. I think that Apple is rotten right to the core. But it falls close to the tree, though.
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Well, that's being a good host. That's being a good host. So who's going to do the cooking? Are you going to do the cooking? Are you going to go out? No, no, no. We're going to cook at mine.
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I love twice baked potatoes. We'll see. I love twice baked potatoes.
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Yes, that's not, no. Yes, I make twice baked potatoes. I make twice baked potatoes and I make mac and cheese. I can make those things on Thanksgiving. I don't work. You can make mac and cheese? Yes, I can make mac and cheese. All right, prove it. And I love corn. I love corn on the cob. Wrap it up.
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You know, I need Stephen A. Smith, me, and Denzel in a room and we'll call it the Loudmouth Convention.
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Fuck you, Elon Musk. Fuck you. But Thanksgiving, I have to watch iconic Aussie girl Thanksgiving episodes starting with Blair Waldorf must pie. I'm so excited. Are you kidding?
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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For now. Yeah, whatever. He was tweeting something like, quote, NYC is not lost, but it is not yet found. Let me explain. Nothing opens early, blah, blah, blah. And someone quote tweeted him and said, guy whose family is canonically from Boston has opinions about New York City. And I was like, oh, like, hee hee ha ha. Then Jack responds and says, both of my parents are New Yorkers.
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Okay, what are we talking about today? We are talking about Gladiator 2, dare I say, Denzel and Paul.
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And Thanksgiving traditions, Thanksgiving TV shows, Thanksgiving everything, my favorite holiday. We'll talk about it later.
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And we are joined by the writer John Paul Brammer to talk about his really incredible essay about quitting Twitter. Wish I could do that.
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He's not. He's not watching. He's busy. But he could be. No. Okay, what did you think?
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Okay. Why don't you give us a rundown of like bare bones plot? Because I can't really remember. I saw it a while ago.
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That's not even the point. The thick thighs.
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Ever been to Grand Central or the airport or the reservoir? I grew up here. See you later, Jonah. And my little ass, not from New York, Googled Kennedy Reservoir, Kennedy Airport, Kennedy Grand Central.
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And then Denzel buys him as his slave, like makes him a gladiator and is like, oh, you'll like fight for me and kind of perform. I'll be your sponsor. And I'll give you whoever you want.
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And that they kind of, like, go out. They kind of, like, go off together. Like, they, like, go together hard. Okay, this is my thing. People were really like critical of all of like the gladiator setups, like fights this movie, like the sharks and the like crazy baboons. Yes. And sorry, I loved it. Loved every minute. You loved the sharks in the Coliseum? No, like crazy up and down.
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And yet, no, couldn't take my eyes away. I was like, this is fun to watch. Excuse me.
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That I can respect. That I can respect. But I also, I have no real connection to the original Gladiator other than just swiping past boys who say are not entertaining on their dating apps. Wait, have you seen it? Yeah, I have. I've seen it. I've seen it, girl. I saw it once and then I forgot that I had seen it until I was halfway through and I was like, oh, I've seen this before.
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You have more hours in the day than most people. No, I fell over. I was laughing so hard. He said, I'm sorry, where do you fly out of? Yeah. Sorry, what's the name of that airport? What's the train station you go to? Oh, Grand Central. Right. Right. My grandmother built Grand Central. She rescued it.
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Wait, this is familiar. Well, question, were you entertained? Oh, by Gladiator 2? Yes, of course. Because I think Gladiator 1 is, it's like a real, you know, hero's journey, which, you know, respect that, whatever.
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But Gladiator 2 feels a lot closer to like the more recent Ridley Scott work, like The Last Duel, where it's like, what if this is just a movie of men gossiping, running around, telling each other secrets, like getting mad at one another? Like, I like that. Okay.
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Mona and like Luann. Totally. No, no, I see what you're saying. But okay, it's funny because in, no, but it's very similar to what you're saying. I was like writing on my little notebook, all of these extras kind of look like people that like, I was like, oh, that's totally Steven from Love is Blind in the background of that scene. Like, oh, totally.
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That is like, I don't know, one of those boys from, oh, what was that bad show that we watched? So many. No, the Netflix one. So many. The love story. Yeah. We're never going to get a sponsor from Netflix.
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Whatever it was, it was too many. 12 years a slave. That's what it felt like watching it. I was like, oh, that boy who's also in The White Lotus. He's in the background of one of these. All these people kind of felt familiar to me. But I was surprised there wasn't more character building. Yeah, I wanted more of that.
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But I think, I don't know, it's, like, all, like, the kind of, like, clumsiness, hokiness, like, there's barely a plot. It's, like, it feels, like, so, like, ripped from the headlines. It's, like, when that one shot, when they're, like, oh, this is, like, a bust of the deceased king or whatever, like, the deceased emperor. And you look at it, it's, like, just purely Paul Miskell's face.
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No, I was cackling. Comedy kings. I was cackling. But Denzel, though, I mean, he is, like… Yeah, let's get to it. Every other part of this movie is, like, fine, but he is, like, spectacular.
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No, it was, like, too over the top for me at some points. I was, like, oh, my God. This is, like, that one scene in Heat when Al Pacino is, like, oh, she's got a big ass. It's, like... That's like every scene in this movie was like Denzel doing like his version of that, which was very like, I don't know, it like fit the setting, but it was also like so outrageous.
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Like, no, I'm sorry. I need Nepo babies to be more like that and less like Gracie Abrams. But speaking of Nepo babies, actually, I, oh, we saw your father. And again, not too much.
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Sometimes I was like, wait, I'm just watching someone having fun. Like amazing.
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Wait, we have to talk about the gowns, the gowns, the robes, the earrings, the rings, all of it. I was like, oh, wait, hold on. Like his budget was something else. That was like a separate line item. It was just like his accessories. I was loving it. But, okay, line rings that I loved.
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I love that one – I can't remember what part of this movie this happens, but I think it's when Paul Muskell is, like, saying something, like, kind of like – he doesn't really work for me as, like, super brooding, you know? Like, I fully believe that he was, like – if this movie had not happened, this character would have just been, like, on his merry way, like, living his best life.
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Like, not wanting – he didn't want to be in, like, the Coliseum, in the gladiator thing, whatever. So that part did work for me in his performance. But he does something, like, too over the top, and Denzel says, too much. Yeah. And part of me was like, is that improv? Loved it. Couldn't get enough of it. Loved it. Loved it.
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And then whenever he is like, there's like this whole like runner of him like betting with that one guy. Yes.
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And he, you know, loses the bet and then Denzel wins the bet. And he's like, I own your house.
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Lawsuit has been filed. Okay. So here's the thing about Paul Muskell. I didn't hate him in this, but I didn't – I thought he was like perfectly effective. It didn't wow me, but it wasn't like, you know, as bad as I think some people are saying it was. What I will say is that when I saw that Ridley Scott was like, I was going to go after Timmy for this.
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Mm-hmm. But then he's like, but then I saw normal people. And I thought, just kidding. Like, whatever. Now, did you see Dune 2? Yeah, of course. Tempe Chalamet raising his voice in Dune 2. I said, how dare you? Playtime is over. Have a seat. No. Twinks should never laugh. Was that Nikki? Was that a Nikki thing?
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Yes. I don't want to hear Timmy Chalamet raising his voice to me in this life or the next. Like, I don't think that's his, like, best registered performance. So Paul did work. He was just so strong. I was like, okay. Yeah, the body was tea. Yes, the body. Paul was giving body.
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No, he knows his history. He's lived a life. Someone's hurt him. I'm like, come right here. Let's talk.
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I'm like, oh, so many people have access to a gun right now. I think the last time we talked about this, I was thinking that the shooting would start with Walter, but I don't think he really has it in him. You know, if he's dating a woman like that, he's a little bit too, I don't know, I think he's a little bit too soft to actually follow through with anything.
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So I feel like I'm going to give the gun maybe to Luscious Malfoy. I mean, like, I know we're building up these moments where he's like going to maybe kill himself. He's thinking about killing himself and thinking about killing his wife. I know. But I don't know. Rich people really struggle with not being rich. It's really hard. It seems like a huge crisis, a mental health crisis in America.
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That conversation didn't resonate with me. The thing she is doing with coffee.
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But we did less panning, less cutting to monkeys the last two episodes, I feel like.
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And then turned her ass around and went to the beach and left us.
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You're like, I could try, but it just wouldn't fit. It's not right.
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I wanted to be so mad, but I actually was like, no, you ate that. Like this conversation didn't resonate with you. Therefore, it didn't happen, even though it's on text and like remembered by everyone else in the room. No one's doing it like her, for real. She, ugh.
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I'm like, you have boundaries. Like, that's crazy. Like, good for you. But we have an important follow up question to that, which is, are you a lover or hater of divorce?
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And what was your understanding of divorce before your own divorce? How did you feel about it then? And did that change?
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I got to queen out with her, my goodness.
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That's my life. What about you? What's your life like?
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It's so funny you ask. It's so funny that I actually look really orange at the moment, but that is fine. I've been, yeah, in Hawaii. I'm looking tan. I'm looking good. I will say I'm stronger than the troops, though, because Hawaii was not just a vacation for me. No, no, no. Hawaii was a vacation for me. With my family, specifically with my mother.
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What were some of your favorite things or stories specifically to read about divorce, going through your own divorce and maybe even now too?
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Hey, same. You and I both. Too right to a fault sometimes. Yes.
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Yeah. Hunter's like mood boarding right now in her head. She's like, I'm getting so inspired.
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It feels like going through it now, like the loneliest thing to go through a breakup. It's like this one thing that feels so personal to you, even though everyone's to a degree has experienced it. Did you find yourself, do you find yourself in a lot of community of people who've been divorced and have like this very specific kind of breakup or did it feel lonely at first?
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Can you just talk about like your experience with community, I guess, around getting divorced?
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I will say on the record, I did need that actually. I'm feeling incredibly weak at the moment. So listen, I'll take it.
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Okay. Number two, love or hate her, Cardi B and Offset.
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Which is going to be divorce and getting back together and then getting divorced and then going live on Instagram. It's just perfect. Yeah. Never ending storyline.
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I was going to say, what would it look like though if your eyebrows went up?
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The only time I've really been a JLo stan is through her divorce. I'll say that. And then just through that crazy ass relationship. But lover, hater, Princess Diana and Prince Charles.
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So, a little movie with a big, big budget. Too big a budget. Came out this weekend. Talk about whistle while you work. You kind of ate that, actually. That was good. That was good. I did. I hate when I laugh too much at your jokes. I know you're thinking, ooh, she misses me. Ooh, she wanted me back in New York and my arm's so bad. And I know you do. I know you do. And I do.
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But Snow White came out this weekend with a budget of, let's say, $250 million. And this weekend in the U.S., it grossed $43 million. And The amount of drama, the amount of storylines, the amount of, actually, I almost said intrigue, but I'm hardly interested. No, no, I know too much, actually. Yeah, I'm actually trying to learn less about Snow White.
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Starring Gal Gadot and starring Rachel, what's Rachel's last name?
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Zegler, my theater queen. And Honey Pulls Out a Cigarette. I know we need to end to this.
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And Rachel's giving white passing, even though I love my Colombian girl. But...
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The... Throwing champagne in the Nile. What is that?
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And thank you for figuring that out for me because you know that I'm like not never going to take that journey. I'm just too lazy to take the first step. Yeah. And you're good at doing the research. You're on the ground floor often. And then you report back to me. Yeah.
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Mm-hmm. She is just an IDF apologist, but... Yes, yes.
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I will say, why is there always so much damn drama around a Snow White film? Do you remember Snow White and the Huntsman? So in the Huntsman, oh my gosh, with the affair. Yes. Starring Kristen Stewart, which is one of my mom's favorite movies randomly. But that was when she slept with the director. Yeah. And Trump had tweeted like at Robert Pattinson, like Kristen Stewart's not good for you.
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Like she's a cheater and a liar and she'll never be faithful. She was just a lesbian, but.
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And dead ass, literally what he said. I'm like, something about this series, I think we just need to let die because Snow White has never, she's never been my princess of choice. She's slept most of the film. Have you seen it? Did you see the movie?
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Free Palestine and then free my sister to get out of that contract, out of this PR media. I want her done. I want her back on stage doing Romeo and Juliet. And that's what it is. No, I should see it before I judge. I should see it before I judge. But Gal Gadot's star on that Hollywood Walk of Fame.
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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And Luscious Malfoy, if you are looking for a future ex-wife, I'm your girl.
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I was going to say, I love your expressive face.
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Oh my God. Add to cart though. Do it now.
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For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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That conversation did resonate with me, actually. Yeah.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no, we're calling you in. It's a safe space. To talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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To have a Scorpio mom and to have a Scorpio mom who insists you do like annual vacations together is a tall order, if you will. And most recently, we went to Hawaii. We go often. She used to work in Hawaii, so we would go for work, and now we just go for fun. And she had this great big idea to do a hike, 7 a.m. sunrise hike.
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Some of those things were in the room with me. Three people fighting. Me, my mom, my brother. Yeah. They talk shit about each other as much as we can. Absolutely. I was there. And I bought a gun. No. Yeah. We are... I mean, at least we're cooking with some gas now.
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HBO loves some incest. I mean, I'm not grossed out. I mean, I am grossed out by it.
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I'm open-minded. No, I'm grossed out by it. But I am like, I don't know. I feel like I'm so desperate for a plot point at this point that I'm like... Fuck it. All right. Jerk your brother off. What happens next? And I actually, for some reason, always thought that this older brother was a distraction from the younger brother who has actually always unsettled my spirit.
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Let's not shade a bitch thinking about protein, okay? Some of us are lifting. All right. No, but I just think, I know he is like such an unbearable character and type and all those things. But I do find myself being like, I never felt at ease with the little brother. Yeah. I honestly still don't even feel at ease with the, I hate it, eat, pray, love white woman unless it's me.
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Like the little sister. Piper. And her desperate journey to find herself. You want to be me so bad, first of all. Just do The Artist's Way. Order it on Amazon Prime shipping.
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That's fair. That's fair. You know what? That's so fair. But I actually, one of the, besides the incest of it all, I am so glad Carrie Coon is finally popping off. Oh yeah. I love a bitch that stands on business. Oh, and like where we are right now with the three of them, Carrie Coon, the actress and The Bob. What's her name?
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Leslie Bibb. Leslie Bob. Is that my favorite type of messy white woman is a white woman that's like, oh my God, babe, the actress, you should so hook up with him. Like he's so sexy. So into you're single. You should do it, girl. And then to sleep with said boy is just like, oh, child's play. Yeah. White girls love to do that shit. That's easy. That's spring break.
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And I sent her all these suggestions from my friend Sarah, who grew up in Oahu. And links were there. Photos were there. We talked about it out loud. We talked about it on the record. Okay? We agreed to do a hike. We picked one. We chose it. We wake up 7 a.m. My mom decides, oh, actually, I think we should do a different hike. My brother and I are like, well, no, no, no, no. We agreed on this one.
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The way you kind of are Leslie Bibb in how she, like, is always the one inciting the talking shit. But she's like, for leisure, for play, for jest. The minute it became serious, she was like, no, wait, hold on. Okay. Like, I'm actually just here to, like, yap and gab. I'm not here to, like, start real drama and, like, sit down and hold each other accountable. Like, that's not what I asked for.
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The fact that a family even went on a trip for a thesis to begin with, white people will do anything. Right. But like, my God. But I do think that that moment, I mean, what's his name is a little just too busy thinking about going, spending life in prison. He's like, girl, find God if you need. Oh, the dad, the dad. Yeah. I'll see you on the other side, hopefully.
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But in many, many ways, he is Luscious Malfoy.
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White Lotus is a show about a man with deep forehead lines. And like, and why I kind of like need him.
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What's his, with the fine sexy body and the deep sexy voice? And his tooth girlfriend, Walton. Oh, Walton Goggins. Walton Goggins. Yes. Speaking of deep forehead lines, which I think, is that a thing now that I'm into? I'm going to, I'll circle back and let you know. But I am really finding myself more and more taken with, I think her name is Amy Lee Wood, his girlfriend. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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With the teeth. Yeah. Talk about a lover. Oh, like she, I struggled with their connection in the beginning and maybe still find myself
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at odds with like really what is tethering them to each other but at the same time I'm like oh she's just so she probably has like a Taurus or a Libra Venus and she's just that much of a like I'm gonna write it out like I believe in him I believe in us I know that went over Hunter's head that's okay if you're lesbian and listening to this I'm here for you that's what this is for but I just find myself so charmed by her more and more each episode like I love her astrological takes and I love her big heart and inability to cheat on her man
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Let's just go do it. We get we get to hike. There's a sign that's like hike at your own risk. So I find myself in a little pickle. But I say to my mom, attitude already at 100. And I'm like, mom, we talked about this. We talked about in person. It's here in the text. We agreed upon it. And Hunter, my mom, she looks me in the eye. Dead silence goes, that conversation didn't resonate with me.
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Yeah. But thank you for bringing Parker Posey into the room because the things that she is doing with dialogue, with execution, with facial acting, that is, oh my God, with Lorazepam, my God, like with, what did she say, with Taiwan?
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They're like... So you've been hurt. So you've been broken down by the world. But yeah, I just I feel like she's what always brings me back. And I feel like I'm so thankful for her comedic relief for anything that's been consistent this whole season. Yeah. But I'm also curious how you feel about Belinda right now. Belinda and how do you say his name? Porchai. Porchai. Yeah. Yeah.
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But I am interested to find out more about her son. I need to Google his age, but he's fine as fuck. So put a pin in that.
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But what's so funny- You brought a gun to a knife fight, Hunter. Damn.
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And we're also in this like, I feel like there's a Venn diagram of like divorced women and then the trope of women sleeping with younger men. And it's overlapping right now in a really beautiful way. cultural way. Like, it's very baby girl. Except they didn't get a divorce. She just cheated, actually. That was just cheating. But, you know, we can make it work.
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So we've created a definitive ranking and we're here to catch you up. It's over there. Where is the screen? Oh, me pointing. I'm really, again, I went to Emerson College, okay? This is a film major, if you can tell. I'm really good at TikTok. That's where, that's what my degree got me, if anything. But yeah, so we, I thought we would be able to see it, I guess, but I'm. I can kind of see it.
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We can count on you. You'll tell us if what we're saying is accurate.
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Semi-recent. And then just some hits and some faves. Yeah. Some classics, if you will.
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Yeah. You start us off because this is not me. This one's you.
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No, say it with your chest. You shrunk. Don't do that. Shoulders back, titties up. You're from Chicago. You love Chance.
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Is there anything you want to tell me? This one was hyper specific to you. And honestly, I feel like you just really want to talk about that patio. Yes, I do. All the time. All the time. Are we talking about Jancer? I said, go off girl though. I'm an ally to your hyper specificity. Okay.
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You take it first. I'm always some reason. rooting for Cardi B and Offset. Hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. This is why we're never seeing heaven. This is it right here. It's just not as like for them and their children, but more so for the mess of it all. Because the thing, I love a parasocial relationship. Like, I love that I feel involved in their relationship.
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Nothing goes down that we don't find out about. Like, it's so funny. Because you know those couples online that you follow and they just kind of stop posting each other and you're just like, I mean, well, we were here on the journey. I don't want to be wondering. No, no, no. No, you have to let us know. And not in like a joint post statement. What the fuck is this? No, I want like subtle hints.
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I want you live on Instagram. I want you sub tweeting. Like that's the involvement that like I appreciate in anyone's relationship. Even like just like my neighbor. I want to know what's going on. So I do appreciate the lore that they provide us as a culture. And I think if you are rich enough, you can be messy enough to do whatever you want. Yeah. And I'm aspiring towards that.
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I want to be so rich I can be that messy. But that's where I rank them for me. Who did you put on that same level?
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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It swings open both ways. But the Bill and Melinda is like, there's a window. It's everything's open.
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We've got an op in the crowd. Hold on. No, no, no. Okay, we have a second winner. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, exactly. So the next one, but like, and that says everything. Yeah. Yeah. And then we have a heartbreaking shock. Heartbreaking to me. One of us. To interracial communities in Bed-Stuy. Oh my God. Bed-Stuy was shaking when Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz broke up. Not technically a divorce, but we make the rules. Not technically a divorce, but we're rounding up, okay?
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They were together long enough. But yeah, I feel like a nation fell to its knees. And specifically, I didn't really like them together, though. I kind of did want them to break up. But you liked the bike photo. I liked the... Hell yeah! You saw that photo? Anyone didn't like that bike photo? Then you don't fuck. I'm like, that was hot. Yeah. Tiny little motor, her tiny little body on top.
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I photoshopped my face on it. I know, I know. I had my girlfriend at the time photoshop my face onto Zoe Kravitz's face. And that's for me to work out with my therapist later.
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I hope those rumors are true. They're not. No, now he's with someone else, I guess.
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She didn't believe in love in the first place. She just told you she wanted to get married and divorced, and someone said, aww.
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A thousand guns were just raised. We're in the pen now. Truly, like, I've been hit by a red direction. That was so crazy and so loud. Oh, my God. Okay, so you're all getting a mug. Well, y'all gonna fight over a mug. I don't know. It's really gonna be, like, mug hunger games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, love doesn't win, I guess.
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Oh, we have a little game. Yeah, a little game. Don't sound so demoralized. I know, we have a little fucking game. Yeah, I know why I said it like that. You all have a paddle. You should have a paddle. With two mean mugs on the back. Yeah. It really is a church fan. It really is giving church fans. Oh, it's hot in this little bed. The sun is right up in here. Okay, so you're going to vote.
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We're going to go through a few audience-prompted questions. Hunter and I are going to debate, and this is the culture courtroom. So basically, we each have...
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This is a queer woman. Don't silence her. But I love playing that card. It's so fun. It's the only thing I have of her.
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Because I don't have a thought. Okay. I was like, keep going.
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You're going to turn against a Barb? Okay. Okay. Well, something bigger than a Barb. What's that? A Belieber. Yeah. Oh. Because Hunter didn't hear the question. He's not white. Oh, first of all. Okay. You actually gagged me with that because I am my black king, period. Because you know what I'm going to say? Hunter did not. No, no, no. Your 60 seconds are up. Your 60 seconds are up.
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She's a Leo, but listen. Okay, because Hunter doesn't like to read the fine print. Someone graduated with honors at Emerson College, which the question was the white boy of all time. Timothy's the white boy of now, baby. All these references, they're current. They're true to the moment. Let's talk about the legacy, okay? Justin Bieber is omnipresent, all right? He was probably there with Christ.
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I know he was there. See, Justin Bieber's also, that boy is for everybody, okay? The lesbian community opened their arms to him. Ellen said, stand by my side. We will change 2008. He was alive. What do you think? Switch then. Yeah. Marriage equality? Because Justin Bieber with his little flip bang. Not Bieber. Marriage equality, girl. Oh, my God. That's why I was holding my paddle really high.
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I don't even need the 60 seconds. I'm going to just let you know. I'll let history show. And if you don't vote for him, then you don't vote for a black king like I just said.
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They're like, I don't know. Wait, can you please take a photo of this? Actually, this is so funny.
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You're a dumb bitch through and through and that's why I love you. So I'll give it to me and I'll be giving it to me. And what's, okay.
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I know. Do we have any little monsters in the room? Can I see some paws up high? Thank you. Because Abracadabra didn't come back for nothing. Nerdtech did her number, all right? Because they knew who had to get back to work and tell these girls what to do, how to start singing again from their diaphragm. What, are we gonna say Chapel Roan? Yeah, no. She was taking notes.
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Because she too is a little monster. I think Lady Gaga, similar to my case about Justin Bieber, is someone who is always going to get the girls together. She's going to lead. She's going to pave the way. She's going to walk so they can run.
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I'm not counting 60 seconds. No one else is either, so. No, I think you've convinced me. I like it.
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I really actually need this right now, okay? Like, I'm having a hard week. I really need this win, so. Well, you're really handing it to me. Yeah, no, I really am. So it's a tie, to be clear. It's a tie. Like, that's, wait, take a photo of that. That's fine.
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And shout out to the bingo winners. I don't know who that last one went to, but it's just a mug. Michael, you're our literal friend. We will get you a mug.
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Greet yourself. And here's AJ's hand up too. Oh, Lord have mercy. Thank you guys so much. If you haven't subscribed to Let Me Say This, please do. We love making this show. We hate each other, but we know we love each other so much and we love getting to do this and, you know, share our little baby with you. You can tell she's a lover. I know that. WLW boots. But thank you guys.
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Have a good rest of your day. Thank you. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two in line, so you don't have to be.
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So I don't agree, but Pokemon go to the polls. If you're still in line to vote for me. As a winner of Culture Courtroom, stay in line.
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Anyway, follow us on socials at Peyton Dix and at Hunter H for the truth. We'll be revealed there soon.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Payton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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We wanted a walkout song and realized the walk was seven steps, by the way. So the impact of that was maybe a little less grandiose. And we thought, also, thank you for that intro. It sounded like we're Barack and Michelle Obama. And in many communities, we are. On the cusp of divorce. Totally, totally. Yeah, we are on the cusp of divorce. I'm Peyton Dix. I'm Hunter Harris.
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Let me say this. Yeah, yeah. But there's people here, so it's different.
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Yeah. Before we get into it, you have a bingo card. Someone who is deeply unwell and also an icon made this, genuinely took the time out of their employed day to make this, which is so crazy. And we love whoever this stranger online is. So if you get bingo, feel free to hoot and holler and let us know. Don't be shy. Don't be shy.
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She's starting. And by she, I mean Hunter. And she is starting. Yes. Also, I love that you pair that up as our big life updates. Like this is like we're sharing custody over this.
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Yeah, the mugs, we know. You guys are squealing. You're like, a fucking mug. Another one. Yes. But we're like a toe too. No, just smug. But a little bit about us, if you don't know who we are, we met at, usually we redact this, but Emerson College. We were like the two, oh shit, did I already give you a bingo thing? Damn it, I'm going to have to put the thinking cap on. Chestnut checkers, yeah.
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And I don't want to talk about it. But we were the two black girls in film class, and we actually fought over if our teacher was hot or not. He was not. He wasn't, but he had a ravishing intellect. Says a freshman in college at Emerson College. Please, please.
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But you know what I realized like why that works for us and like why it set up the foundation of our relationship is because when you're friends with people like you can't have the same taste. Like besides the fact that I like women and you like men, that is kind of usually the great divide, if you will. It's like the men I like are like Danny DeVito and like Dwayne The Rock Johnson. Not too much.
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I heard it. And you like men that are classically beautiful. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's the reason I'm gay is because I can't have taste in men because then I say things like Danny DeVito. Not should be on the bingo card, but isn't. I'll find a way to bring him up. But yeah, so we went to school together. Moved to New York around the same time.
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But I love you. And then we started this podcast last May. Yes. Yeah. So coming up on our one year. There we go. Thank you. That's right. Yeah, we're holding space. So yeah, I guess like that's how this came to be and how we got here at On Air Fest.
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No, I'm the hater. Yeah, clearly. And you're the lover. Yeah, I'm a lesbian. I said that.
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If you haven't listened to one of our episodes, we do this with every guest that comes on and then just, you know, base it off of what they are normally interested in. We wanted to base it in Brooklyn because this is a Brooklyn born show. And we're in Brooklyn right now. And we're in Brooklyn right now. So lover or hater? Okay. Lover or hater of the bus? When I don't want to be on time, love.
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Yeah. Love. And these days, what am I going to do? Get in a plane? No. I need to see the ground. I'm like, we're good. Something can happen.
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Our first live show. Hopefully first of many. If you made it, you're lucky. Consider yourself blessed.
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Hoka lovers in the crowd. Lover or hater. Hey, Williamsburg. I tell them the truth.
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sorry let's just open this window and i'll jump saying you set me up you nasty girl oh my god you said i don't know what it could be because i do love a scammer you love nightlife you love going out you love a girl who stays out all night i've been sober for 20 days hunter oh my god i'm different now you would never believe um my ego complex of like not drinking for 20 days i'm like oh it's 7 a.m you guys are
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It's a youthful brag kind of thing. Eric Adams, I'm definitely going to have to hate him, but I'm loving the attitude though. I would also, if you gave me some funds... I'm a Taurus. I might add to Cartoon. I might make a few trips to Turkey. I'm like, I don't know.
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This is getting too complimentary, actually. I feel like someone walks out. We're canceled. No.
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Yeah. And we highly encourage you to watch the video. It is so insane and so fun. And some of us didn't know where the cameras were. You might clock that pretty quickly, but there is a game of bingo that is not to be missed. There are paddles with our faces on it where you will see me winning unanimously two times in a row. Hold space for that. Hunter, don't say anything.
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Not much. But I mean, the plane thing alone, I feel like we have to circle back to that. I'm like, someone refresh Twitter right now. I swear there's an update.
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Wait, I only heard that after you said that. You're so annoying. Flight, anyone? Hello? You and my dad will go hard on that. My dad made me go see that on Father's Day with him. Fun fact. It's a good movie about being a present father. And many such cases. Yep. I would say a big win for me, speaking of my father, actually, great transition if anyone clocked that.
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My dad is from Philly, so I'm not a well person, okay? He's also a tourist, so I'm definitely not a well person. But the Eagles winning, oh baby. Let's talk about a few things. Okay. Let's talk about a man from Philly, two men from Philly, Louis Dix, my father and Jalen Hurts. Okay. Yes. Roaring applause. Yeah. Some allyship in the room. That was a soft clap. I think you could have got, okay.
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A heart too. I'll take it. But these two men, my father and Jalen Hurts, my husband and my dad, um, really, I feel like needed this win. Okay. My dad's been going through this divorce with my mother since like 1994. And like, this is a win he like had to have. And I feel like Jalen kind of getting this lick back, especially after the last Super Bowl, it felt like black people won. And they did.
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Yeah. And I'm like, again, I will take this win. Any wins for you?
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His flight got messed up. Well, more likely than you think. But wait, also, I just want to repeat your own words back to you. You're like, Eric Adams, not no. Tom, how do you say his actual name? Sandoval or Scandoval? I am always used to the... Sandoval. The nickname. So those two men and hunters behind riding for him. I'm just like, I'm just doing the math on that.
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And I worry for what may come of this. But I'm like, Jalen Hurts. And you're like, and Tom...
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And there is also a public shaming of an audience member who did think that NeNe Leakes was in Roni. And there was a gun pulled out by Hunter Yvonne Harris, actually.
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Wait, that's crazy. We should have planned this better. No. Okay, so those are our big wins. What do you see, which is, again, so crazy for you to say, but what do you see coming up?
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You're such a genuine learner. You're curious mind. You're like, the things that will come on your For You page are so fascinating to me.
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Couldn't be me. No. Because I'm black. Yeah. But the MAGA makeup, that's kind of nasty. And I hope we put that down, even though Brittany Mahomes is going to put it right back on. Something I think is- I wear MAGA teeth. Wait, what does that mean? Hunter said on our podcast, MAGA teeth. What are they, veneers? What are they like? It just looks MAGA to me. It just looks teeth that would say a slur.
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Would open up to say a slur. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something hateful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You meet people, you're like, smile. Let me see what you got cooking there. Okay, but more so I feel like I want to get into one. I was actually just talking to Michael about this earlier. Big year for lawsuits. It's time to sue. It's time to lawyer up, girls. Okay?
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I'm hoping that a little petty crime happens to me so I can have a petty crime. Is that? No. I don't think you settle petty crime in a court early. I would hope not. I want some kind of settlement. I just want to cash out. I'm going to be on my Drake shit. I'm suing everybody. Okay?
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Just so you know. Curious minds here. We all start plotting later. We meet downstairs, okay? I've got an idea. But something that's always on trend. Hey, a little thing we like to call divorce. There's one thing that we can count on year after year. Year after year. Month after month. Honestly, day after day. Minute after minute. Right now, someone just got divorced. Yeah, I felt it.
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For the record, we're very pro-divorce. We are children of divorce. We are children of divorce.
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They're divorced. They're adults. Wait, actually, can I quick audit? Raise your hand if your parents are divorced. Okay, okay, but it counts. Interesting. Interesting. Is it like everyone else, your parents are together still? Or is it just like- Oh, you said they do. How long do you have? Yeah. Get on up here, girl. Let's talk about it. This pivots to a therapy podcast, which we also can do.
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But because we're children of divorce, because we love, it's more fun when women get divorced or the sexiest thing you can do, which is like not get married at all. Okay. Be anti-capitalist. I would get married to get divorced. I fear for your future husband and then eventually your ex-husband. But we really love divorce. We think it's something that is so special in this culture.
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It was so beautiful, and Laverne is really good at keeping it up, keeping it on, and to watch her get emotional and get to share this moment, I think that Nava had worked on Orange is the New Black, so it's really sweet to watch them share that space. Another high was Tyler James Williams' arms, but a low was that vest, suit, Not too much. The skin tight.
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Okay. Actually, heard. I heard they're good. Okay.
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Just for the record, our producer is like snapping her fingers in the corner right now. Because listen, were you seen arm and not applaud, not appreciate it? That tight shirt was not doing him any favors.
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Queen. That's all I have to say about that. And you know exactly what I mean when I say it. Yes, I do, bitch. Yeah, that was a little nasty for me. But wait, were you a New Girls fan?
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Have some fun. No. Have some fun for once, Hunter.
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Sorry, but like, respectfully, what is happening on that show? I love soft brain comedy, you know that. I am an apologist for New Girl, and I am also an apologist for Only Murders in the Building.
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Wait, cheating on Naomi?
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Oh, I was literally about to say, like, him and Naomi are so cute together.
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Maybe both things can be true.
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She's an immigrant. I was like, Trump's not watching this. It's fine. Also, like, that's not what we're talking about right now.
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Yeah. I was like, maybe we could have pushed this back later in the schedule. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. Winston. That's what I was saying. I was saying Winston, if someone read the proper text. I don't speak that New Girl language. Sorry. He's king. Yeah. He's king. I hate to say it, but you know who had me laughing was the Hacks winners. The writing of like, I was popular in high school. And him being like, okay, so it was just me not being popular in high school. Now having this moment.
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Classic. Where's Hunter? A wedding. Likely place for you to be.
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I giggled and I said, maybe I need to press play on Hacks. Sorry, Hunter.
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I was meant to sow terror.
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Let's talk about Jim Crazy. Let's talk about Jim Crazy. HBO's latest docuseries, and in some ways, sister doc to Tiger King. And this show will give you heart palpitations. So we're pressing play. Let me say this. Bullying works.
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Really? Swear to God.
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Okay. First of all, fuck you, bitch. Whoever that was. Asshole. You know I'm down bad. Why would you say that? No.
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Yeah, it's a turf war between PETA and Tanya. PETA and Tanya are going neck and neck. Obviously PETA is trying to release all of these chimpanzees and animals from harm. And Tanya, in many ways, like she generally does not think she's doing harm. Like she truly, my sister in Christ does not realize that monkeys, chimpanzees aren't really meant to be kept alive.
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As pets and specifically in the basement of your home.
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Vibes only down there.
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Yeah. Well, something about this felt so different to me than watching Tiger King where there's a little bit more levity, even though like, don't get me wrong, any kind of like animal abuse, bad, of course, textbook. Yeah. I hope we're on the same page on that.
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But, like, something about this was particularly sinister to me while also being so appreciative of the campiness and the way that it was, like, shot. The, like, high contrast, all the pink of it, even just the glamour shots of Tanya, who, by the way, the reason she calls herself the Dolly Parton of chimps is because she has... Lashes that weigh her eye. I don't know. Can she see?
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Those lashes are so heavy. It's very like Miss Piggy lashes. Like, you know, like the big heavy lash. She's going toe-to-toe with Phaedra Parks in terms of how long and lengthy and heavy those lashes are. Filler out the wazoo. Filler? Is that what it is?
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I was at a bachelorette. I'm coming for your gig. Oh, and where was the bachelorette? A little town called Miami. And dare I say your DNA was in Miami? Point blank, period. Now I know what that means.
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I mean, Tanya is kind of the actress of our generation. She's a Nicole Kidman of chimpanzees. That's what she is, not Dolly Parton. Because there is a scene in particular where she is... Well, we have to set it up because maybe I didn't do a very good job at the beginning.
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Alleged heart failure.
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Yes. And pulls out a bag of like ashes that actually look like Nesquik.
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And then immediately after, she first goes, that motherfucker. And they're like, so Tanya, we can still hear you, by the way. A very important lesson to learn on Zoom. One I've learned many times, by the way. She's talking about the main PETA attorney. Yes, who's a recurring figure that you... It's so hard to want to like PETA.
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I want to be on PETA's side, but sometimes I'm like, you make it so difficult. But she... Immediately, knowing a camera is on her, runs down to go show the documentary crew where Tonka is.
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Those are people who've done the reading. The real let me say this heads. Wait, where was your wedding? Charlotte, North Carolina. Is that a normal place for weddings to be or they're just from there or something?
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Yeah, we just had to keep him hidden. That's what literally she said.
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Okay, hear me out though. I think if we sat Tanya down here right now and we said, hey, Tanya, are you a lover or a hater? she would be honest in her answer, which is she's a lover. Like, I genuinely think she's a hater of that one little twink from PETA, but she, I truly think, has love in her heart. There's just something vacant behind her eyes.
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Something that's also interesting, it always comes at the cost of their children. Like, it was too sad to me to watch Tanya's child, one, hear her say after a hearing that she prioritizes her relationship and cares more about these chimps than she does her own living, breathing children. And over her husband. Over your husband, I can take. Yeah, fine. Put the chimps first.
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Oh, okay. Yeah. Cool. Cool.
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Over your children who are alive and well. And they know it too. Her son is basically like,
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That's a lot, right?
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So he's basically in Miami in many ways. He's living large and in charge. Good for him. Dare I say his DNA is MIA. It was for a minute.
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It's so good. Yeah. I actually like, I enjoyed my time while also being really stressed and scared. I had a dream that I woke up in bed and I had a chimp and I had to care for it. And I was like, fuck. Tanya. You were like, I know how this ends. It's not great. It's not good. I want my ear attached to my body, okay? Oof. Sorry. Press play. Press play. Report back.
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I was targeted, premeditated, and meant to sow terror.
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I was meant to sow terror.
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Okay, if you hear a thumping bass in the background, just know it's the Barbz coming for us. It's because they found us. They found us. It's because they found us. They found our headquarters and they're on their way. We apologize for the inconvenience if you are hearing that.
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The barbs are on the way because one thing I like to say is when there is rap, there will be beef. And boy, do we have some today.
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Petty announcement. My sister? No. My sister wore it. Mom, grandmother, sure. My sister wore it.
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As you should. Welcome to the show. We have a question that we ask everyone. It's very important. Are you a lover or a hater?
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Okay. I love that critique and hater are kind of synonymous in this situation.
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Sister doesn't count as a different generation.
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The tear that just shed from my eye.
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Have you heard of a little town called Miami, Florida? Have you heard of a little town called Miami, Florida? Well, it's now heard of me. Oh, my God. This is my first Bachelorette ever.
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I wish we unlearned that. Yeah. He was actually one of my first lesbian crushes, Lil Wayne, like in a big, big way. He's a stud. He's a stud down. Think about it.
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Thank you. I can kind of. The allyship is cooking. Yeah. Yeah. I actually, I saw him.
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Yeah. Yeah. I saw him perform recently actually at maybe a year or so ago at a Prada party and it left a lot to be...
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It was really tough.
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Just like vulva, like literally.
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I mean, I don't think he's in a place to be doing the Super Bowl. Yeah. He wasn't in a place to be doing a Prada show for a bunch of white girls. So, like, come on. No offense. All tea, no shade. But do you feel like Kendrick was the right pick right now?
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Okay, okay. I think we were like 24. That was crazy. For context, I wasn't just filming someone getting fingered. That can lead to any assumption. Sorry, sorry. No, it was like a strip lesbian club party moment, okay? And we were just, lesbians will do one thing, which is take it too far, okay? Okay. And I didn't realize. I couldn't see. I was just hovering my camera trying to like get footage.
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I love even just the way you said it. You're like, listen, my hands are clean. I don't know why. Libra. Well, the thing is, I just feel like Nikki's at war with everyone all the time. I'm like, yeah, it doesn't even faze me. It doesn't surprise me. It at this point almost doesn't interest me anymore because I'm like, who is she not fighting with?
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When you said colleagues that sent me because it's like it could be a friend of a friend. It could be like a regular Twitter follower. It could be anyone.
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But while we're gone, we'll be re-releasing two of our favorite episodes so you can enjoy them all over again.
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Politics always seem to fall to the wayside when it comes to the Super Bowl halftime show, for everyone and anyone. So I don't find that shocking at all, even for him with his fist up high. I do feel curious about what might come of this moment because of what he already did at scale during the L.A. show and what might be possible with Super Bowl money budget.
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I feel like that is going to be really interesting to see what he does with it.
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Like crowd shot. Yeah. And turns out there was a finger in a vagina. But not this trip. I didn't see it on that story. I just, the next slide of you saying, oops, didn't realize. Well, I got a story response that was like the stark difference between your Instagram stories and Hunter's right now. Hunter's is like this beautiful quaint wedding. Her and Andrew looking so cute.
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And that's coming from the petty princess herself. Yeah, okay. Like Hunter's always pro being petty. So Hunter's saying maybe we leave him out of this one. That's a big deal.
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Thank you for having me. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online so you don't have to be.
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Tanya, if you are waiting in line to get another chimpanzee, please get the fuck up out of line.
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You know it's Spectrum too. Follow us on socials at Peyton Dix and at Hunter H. And remember to head to Wondery Plus for our bonus chat about what the hell is going on with iSpice.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producers Andrew Marcello and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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All these little dresses. God bless. And mine were like ass shaking, club throbbing, like 4 a.m. posting timestamp. Like it was real diabolical hours. But that's what happens when you party with white straight girls. No one's doing it like them. You think gay guys are taking it home? Yeah, right. They just have poppers. You know what straight white girls are doing? Everything. They have stamina.
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Everything until 7 a.m. And they pop back up the next day, boat, shot, shot o'clock. I learned what a shot o'clock was. It was really, we went to Emerson College, okay? I'm like shuddering at the thought of it. They really, they pushed me to my limits. I didn't know they were doing the work like that. What did Kendrick Lamar say? Sometimes you gotta pop out and show this.
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Those are the white girls to me. They said, we gotta pop out and show this nigga what's up. Just kidding. No one said the N-word on the strip. It would be a different Instagram story post. Or you would have seen it on my Instagram story. But heaven is a place on earth and it's called Eleven Strip Club. And it's like I've never been happier. I've never been fuller.
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I've never been more aware of my body and mind. It was beautiful there. Wow.
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Okay, wait. My dollars capped out at a certain thousand amount that I will just let that be in the air. I thought it should never even go there, but it did. Oh, she got money. It turns out supporting the sanctity of marriage is expensive. Low-key, rob her. You're the one with the micro-dosing facial. I can't even pronounce it. That's my bank account. Micro-dosing facial. Okay.
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I get a little high.
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It's like just a little mandelic acid. Just right here. Just a touch. But one of my friends, shout out to my friend Audrey, when I say feminism, if you want to find feminism, it won't be on this podcast, but it will be in the strip club. When I tell you she got a fraud alert on her account because she was taking out so much money. Wow. Putting cash in every tit. I was like, that's not a stripper.
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That's just a girl. That's just The girl making her way, she was like, sure, thanks. But like, that's how diabolical it was. Was she the bride? No. Or was she just your friend? She's just an ally to women. Wow, that's special. That's special. Yeah.
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Yeah, every day was more of like a color scheme than like a dress up. Like it wasn't like mob wise. It was like, send me the nudes. And it was like neutrals. And then it was like, RIP to her like singled and so we like wore black clothes. So then she wore white and then we wore white on the boat and then she wore black. So it's like that kind of like, you know, easy entry level kind of.
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But you know me. I'm like, give me the hardest theme possible. Give me something so niche so I can go hard on Amazon at 3 a.m. buying the craziest amount of things.
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Oh, that's not a good one. Oh, that's not creative. Thank you. Now I'm cooking already. I've got something. Yeah, bachelorettes are once a year maybe. I think that's what I have. They'll take you there. Yeah.
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But I didn't know Miami. Well, okay. I don't know if it's fair to say that I went to Miami. I went to the strip club and I went to the standard. Is that enough? Have you been to Miami? I've never been to Miami. We should go.
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Yeah. Well, no one remembers Art Basel. They just do a bunch of cocaine. But we should maybe go to Miami. Super quick flight. Pretty cheap, too. That actually is the benefit.
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What kind of life did she lead?
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Okay, heard. But we'll go to Miami. Let me take you there. Let me say that. I was going to quote Pitbull, but I don't have it in me, actually. No, no, no. Miami sucked my spirit away.
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Yes. And? You lie. Oh, bitch.
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This week, Hunter is educating the youth, me, about the Ice Spice and Cleotrapa drama you need to know about. So subscribe to Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts to listen and to learn.
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Are you a hater first and a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, we're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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Bitch. You lie. What'd you get?
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Which one? Mexican chicken Caesar?
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We were supposed to watch it together, but Miami got me first.
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We just had an Emmys in January. Oh, I don't know Groundhog Day. So tell us about the second Emmys. The way you said, I don't know. I don't know. I'm from L.A. I don't know God all day.
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Yeah, glasses representation. I said that like I'm wearing glasses. I know, that's why I'm so confused. Wearing contacts.
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Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll is like a cultural blind spot for me, but like a lot of my like my basic friends Respect to them. Love Jelly Roll. Like, know who Jelly Roll is. Who the fuck is Jelly Roll?
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I don't agree with your experience.
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I definitely don't believe you. In fact, I don't believe most women. It was not good. It was fine at best. Fight with the wall. Go to Just Salad and then call me. I don't want to go to Just Salad.
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Okay, one, the way Ebon, we knew. We planted seeds to watch him rise. So, like, we're cashing out. I just want to say that.
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We are the Marnie of his life. Open your heart to me, Bella. Okay, wait. Also, how do you say her name? Anna Sawai? I think so. Anna Sawai in that Vera Wang dress. Oh, she took it.
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Mother to many. Mother to many.
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Thank you for saying Greta Lee second dress because the minute I saw her come out in that beautiful baby blue, I said, thank God she changed.
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Selena Gomez looks nice outside, but normally I don't think she dresses well. But she always looks like that. She always wears, like, a black gown. Yeah, yeah. I mean, black gowns are for people that lose. So, like, it's fine that she wore a black gown. Wait, one of my highs, well, I owe to segue.
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I can't remember who she's wearing. But the moment on the, I was watching the pre-show on, I think, E! And when she runs into Reba and, like, has a full, Reba heads rise. Like, Reba heads rise. You know I'm about to do it. A single mom who works too hard, who loves her kids and never stops. Did you like that? Yeah. And it's like something in the heart of a fighter.
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Queen, queen tings. Nice to see legends link up. But that interaction alone, like you could see the pure joy on Io's face that like, no, this actually means so much to me. Added years to my life, honestly. Another high from the e-carpet moment was Nava Mao and Laverne Cox having like a reunited moment and just talking about being... making trans history together, both of them.
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Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Let Me Say This. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Hunter, let me say this. Midtown hates to see me coming. And that's a sentence I never thought I would say. Oh, God. Where have you been? What have you been doing? Where have you been? I've been stomping the yard over here in my theater era.
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And that is my king. He said like trans rights all day, every day, 24 seven. It's his own birthday. He's wearing that shirt. That was like, I don't know, something pro trans, but I love him. That's a king. That's a real man.
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Are we about to get into gaming? I think so. I think you're opening your computer in a new way this time, actually. Girl. You're getting into a different kind of playing games. I am at least. After Arcane. What am I going to do? A controller? A stylus? No. A QR code? Girl. Hunter.
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I do want to get into gaming. I think that would be actually, we should get on Twitch. We should do something with it. We should monetize that. But post-Arcane, Last of Us, I think there's something cooking here. There's some linking and building to be done. And you know what I will be doing though?
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I will be pressing play on Fantastic Fungi on Netflix right now because I won't get got by that big bitch. By the, what do you call it? Bloater? Do they have actual government names? Oh my God. Yes. Yeah, that won't be me. I'm out. I'm out.
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Yeah. Like, the numbers are not on our side, actually.
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And now that Katy Perry went to space, I mean... The numbers are astronomical. Anyway, that's what I've been up to. Me and my 57th Street vibe. What about you?
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You know, we hate to brag, but today we are blessed. Oh, and we are highly favored because with us today is Punky Johnson, comedian, actress, writer. You might be familiar with her work from SNL. And she's come to key with us on the pod. Hey, welcome. What's up, what's up, what's up?
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No, it starts now. We're live now. We have an important question for you. What's up? Are you a lover or a hater?
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The lies coming out of that hateful mouth. Okay, follow-up question. Are you a lover or a hater of Lisa from Temecula?
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I was going to say, do you have a Lisa from Temecula in your life?
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Did I stutter? Yeah, yeah. I would be clear on that.
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And you know what? Period, actually. Yeah. I love a woman that knows what she wants. That's my truth. A decisive queen.
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You couldn't even say that with your chest, Loki. Oklahoma. That's what you said.
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Heard. And say that, actually. Say it louder, in fact. Yeah, I'm on my way. I have a bag packed.
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A concept. I'm in Times Square right now, so I don't know what that means, but no woman, no peace, nothing good going on over here.
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I'm curious about the naming of the Childish and Petty Tour. Can you tell us what makes something childish and what makes something petty?
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Hunter said, as someone both childish and petty, I agree.
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So, you know, I have to ask what sign are you?
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Oh, the calls coming from inside the house. Oh my God. I was like, ooh, stubborn. Okay. Uh-oh. What's happening here? May or April?
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Oh, we're so close. I'm April 24th. Oh, wow.
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No, no. Sometimes when I'm wrong, I'm just going to be like, I'll just be wronger. I'm just going to double down on the bullshit. I double down on being wrong a lot. On my bullshit. Yeah. Well, happy tour season to us. Okay.
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I also love that this became an astrology podcast. That's so gay of us. But I also want to talk about SNL 50. Yes. What was it like?
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Yeah. You got to act up for Whoopi. I'm sorry. Yeah. That's mother.
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Yeah. And then Pedro, is that your other one? Pascal?
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Yeah, because last time we had this conversation, you were like, it's not the worst thing he could have done. You were kind of siding with the Pope.
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God, I hope someone says that about me one day. That was a beautiful description. I'm begging anyone listening to this, take notes. Oh my God. I have to be childish and petty. And I have to ask, were you there for Morgan Wallace walking off stage? Yeah. Did you have an opinion on it?
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Yeah. I'm curious. Where's God's country for you?
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Say that. Wait, Hunter, what did the guy, your driver?
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Did you ever have a favorite celebrity host, someone that you think just like took it, did the best job?
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Sorry. I'm like, this is our plight. Oh my God. We're black, gay, and we're 5'4". There's a community for us, I swear. And Tauruses. Can't forget that. And Tauruses. Wait, we need to link and build. Hold on. I'm on my way to Rhode Island. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, Kim Kardashian, Libras, by the way, are usually really lovely to work with. Oh no, I can't stand no Libra. Oh.
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Wait, why is religion like actually so very stunty, very queer, very performance art, very theater, if you will. Beautiful gowns.
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I do identify, especially in this relationship dynamic with Hunter and I, of being like, anytime Hunter's like too accommodating or nice, I'm like, what is, who took your phone? What's going on? Like, all we do is gossip and talk shit to each other. Like, what the fuck is happening here?
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Yeah. That's how I know you know me. I'm like, wait, hold on. If we're close, that means we're dragging each other through it.
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Why do you think I love going to church so much when I do go? For the gossip and the drag. Yeah. Of course.
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No, it was personal. Just a moment of peace. We're here for therapy. Can you tell us about gay and ghetto? And can you tell us your thoughts on some things that are gay and some things that are ghetto?
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Of course. But R.I.P. I forgot he died already.
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Like, then you'll get it. Then you'll get this stuff. We want to do a quick rapid fire game with you to close this out to decide what's gay or what's ghetto. Oh. Are you ready? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. You're locked in. First, U-hauling.
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Yeah, depending on where you are, depending on what neighborhood you're in. Okay, tattoos.
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Okay. And last but not least, gay or ghetto, being bi-coastal.
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But very gay. Maybe even bisexual, some might say.
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Let's lower the voice on that one. Thank you, Punky, so much for coming on and low-key dragging us a little bit. We needed that, especially her. We can't thank you enough. Y'all don't play no games.
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Hmm. Well, let me say this. We love to have you on. And where can people follow your work?
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Well, we can't wait to see it. Thank you so much. Awesome. Thank you for coming on the show.
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Please, please do. Please. We have more kiki-ing to do, especially about Leo's.
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Yeah. Many such cases of people who are, yeah, maybe a little woke, a little religious, and also using the F slur religiously as well. We can hold both things. Who are you talking about? Who are you talking about?
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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Sure, but I was focused on something else. Charli XCX? No, I'm an adult and I'm black. Megan Thee Stallion and Victoria Monet are possibly the most lesbian bisexuals I have ever seen in my entire life. Megan Thee Stallion biting the shit out of her lip as Victoria Monet bumps and grinds on her leg. I said, oh. Well, I mean, I'm a bottom. What do you need? I'm around. I'll be by. What do you want?
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I'll do it. Like, that's what I was locked in on. Megan Thee Stallion having the most lesbian set in Coachella existence. Queen Latifah coming out. Oh, my God. The hits. That's where I was. Where were you in Coachella? Yeah.
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Well, he needs some other things before he's a headliner.
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Okay, so many things to unpack there. Charli XCX with a sash was funny. I think it wasn't that deep. I think we all spend too much time online.
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It's on brand. No, I know. I don't think it's like that deep. Yeah. And I think Green Day though, the, what's his name, wore a brat hat. the following weekend. The girls are fine. Let's let it be what it is. I heard declaring Brad Summer is over. First of all, thank God. I'm tired. Okay. Put down the cocaine. Get out of Bushwick. Everyone, nine to five.
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I didn't stretch before I reached, but I did reach.
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Wait, no, I have an Ariana Grande version, actually. That's what I'm talking about. The remix. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were talking about the original. No. I love the Brat album, but I do think it is time we as a collective move on. The capitalism behind it has run its course. Watching people weep as Charli XCX performed Party For You. I get that. I needed that, actually.
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Girl, that's you, not me. If grad summer is over, what's the next summer? Junior year English class.
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I wasn't paying attention. Look at me now. My English teacher, Miss Tanu can confirm. She was like, Peyton was not present.
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Because it was a beautiful spring day. You would never believe. Yesterday.
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What was he doing? It's scary. I know. Someone's hexing you. I know. I will say the video I saw, speaking of Charlie XCX, was Addison Rae performing, unfortunately, with the mic on. And like, you know, that's my sister. It's my sister. It's my sister. Yeah. Yeah. But I like her better when the mic is off.
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besides the scream sometimes mics need to be off and i i think that's true and that's okay and we crucified ashley simpson for no reason we owe her an apology but she was doing the right thing sometimes it's fine to just do your little dance be cute girl and keep the mic off and just keep that for the studio you know anyway that was a tough thing to witness peyton yeah did we just make it through an entire conversation about coachella without you talking about how you've been 50 11 times i
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Yeah, it was really awesome, actually. I was there for the Beyonce performance, and then I was there for the Tupac hologram performance. Some kind of iconic years, but, you know.
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That's the weather. That's the temp. Yeah, no, the temperature outside right now in New York is like, should we get a bottle? You know what I mean? It's like, we're going to do more than these two glasses. And financially, I think we should just get the bottle. It's that kind of weather.
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Yes. Yes, I saw our sisters. Okay. Our sisters in divorce. We love them. And on that note, cut the cameras, don't ask. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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Is this somehow an episode of heaven, hell, Christianity, religion? No, no, it's not. Never mind. Okay. Hunter's looking at me like, stop.
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Again, back in it. I saw Cabaret. I went to SNL. And then most recently, I saw All Nighter play, which kind of reminds me of Emerson College.
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Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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On Tylenol? You're so, you were raising the church. Like, I can't mix Tylenol and alcohol.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space. To talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Oh, let me say this. Let me say this.
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Okay, lock in, all right? Because we're talking season two of The Last of Us, first two episodes. Spoiler alert ahead. If you haven't watched those episodes yet, skip like 15 minutes. We'll see you soon on the other side.
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Season two takes place five years later and shows Joel and Ellie, quote, drawn into conflict with each other and a world even more dangerous and unpredictable than the one they left behind. It also shows Ellie a lot more butch, baby. I said, all right, it does get better. Go ahead. Go ahead now. I guess Joel's looking a little more butch, too. But, Hunter, you locked in. You pressed play.
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You came into the chat with your chest, so I'm curious your big feelings.
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Wait, that's funny that that's you. I'm so like the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
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I am curious. I'm just not involved. But I want to go, before we get too far into season two, what was your feeling about season one of The Last of Us? Were you immediately hooked? Were you loving it? Or did you kind of, was it a slow burn for you?
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Yeah. Hunter was like, oh, it's allergies. And I was like, I don't know, girl. They kind of got your ass. But you missed, I will say, we're going to go again. I see that for us. I know that for us. And don't worry because the musical guest was Lizzo. Yep. Yep. And when I saw her come out in a shirt that said terrified, as in like tariffs.
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Okay, we gave a little too much gas, both inside the community and outside the community, to that Nick Offerman episode of the two gay lovers. Everyone's like, this is the most heart-wrenching episode that's ever aired on TV. Was it? Or are you just trying to be an ally? Because that's what it sounds like. To me. And now it's been said. It smells like bitch in here. No, I'm kidding.
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But I was just like, the funny thing was I was late to The Last of Us. Yeah. Like I wasn't watching it live. Many such cases. And by the time I caught up, I was like the Henry episode is sitting right there. Yeah. That heart. When I tell you I scream cried, when I tell you I called my mother. Yeah. I called my mom. Called Alicia Keys. Nepo baby.
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And that episode was really one of the best episodes of television. Some incredible, incredible acting there. So I said, well, what the hell? Nick Offerman played gay and everyone stood up.
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No one's ever straight, especially in a zombie apocalypse. Let me tell you that. It's equal opportunity in those waters.
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Something I couldn't agree more, and I think this season especially does it so much so with Ellie and her queerness in a way that I bet is really exciting for Bella Ramsey, someone who is non-binary, someone who is queer themselves, that gets to explore that in a really fun and dynamic way. But something I have to ask about, episode two, this is a spoiler, okay, blah, blah, blah.
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You pay rent there. Are you kidding? I do not. But you're not playing the games. You're not playing those games.
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terrified no and actually that might be the worst part of the tariffs is that I gave Lizzo an excuse to wear a graphic tee I mean my goodness we're all grown it pissed me off that I was sitting in there being like you really never see things like this was my first time at SNL I never been before I've always wanted to go and I didn't think it would be as cool as it really was until seeing Lizzo come out in a terrified shirt and then right after a like black women were right it was very like women's march we went back there we went back there with that t-shirt both of them in fact but
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No, she was serious. She stood on business. I know. Literally, she curb stomped on business. Like, my God.
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going to be around town. I was cracking up though because Michael QB, our friend, had told me that a lot of people were upset in the casting of Caitlin. And I was like, oh my gosh, she's such a good actress. Like, why? And I guess in the game, the character is supposed to be pretty butch. And I Michael showed me a photo. I'm like, well, you know, she, she looks like she did a few pushups.
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She looks like she's got a little trainer. She got money. But Michael pulls up that photo. When I tell you it is the butchest white woman I've ever seen. I said, okay, yeah, they're allowed to be a little bit upset with that one.
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Caitlyn is all of this big, but I mean, I think she did a great job and is doing a great job in this role, but I was cracking up at like the butchest woman in America now being played by Caitlyn Dever.
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Speaking about big bitches, that giant ass mushroom storming the Capitol. Oh, the bloater. Yes. Oh. Speaking of holding my purse closed.
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Oh, wait. And then Young Man Zeno was the one in Beef, right? Yeah. Oh, fine as fuck. Fine as hell. Fuck as fuck. There's a moment for that. There's also, obviously, mother, Catherine O'Hara. And then, you know who I am loving and maybe just loving to look at? Tati? Gabriel, I think her name is. She's in that show, the Sabrina show, I think. I didn't watch that.
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One day I'm going to get got. One day I'm going to get got and that's all right. Speaking of being gay though, in like a sincere way for once, for once, it won't happen again. I love Bella Ramsey and Pedro Pascal's both on screen and off screen relationship. Like I really, I felt sold into this show because of their casting and because of their dynamic with each other.
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And then I felt like I stayed and anchored in it because of not just the way they that their chemistry builds on screen, but how they talk about each other in interviews and like how much adoration they have for one another. And I think like Pedro Pascal in general is, I mean, ally for what we know now, but like the way he talks, he don't play about Bella and he don't play about his sister Lux.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So once again, I don't believe in people under the age of 27. Legally, ethically, commercially.
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My friend told me I have too much information on my hands because I have like 323, my area code from LA, a Taurus bowl on my finger. Hard-headed. Oh. No, keep going. And then like an equal sign. Equality, equality.
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I'm curious what's going to happen with Rob, though, now that there might be some heat. Because that got really debated between Bob and Rob. And I do think that it was to Bob's demise to have gotten so heated, where normally when he's accused of things, he'll say a couple lines and then stop.
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But their back and forth, I do think, similar to how it played out with Phaedra and Dan, might play out again with Rob.
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I almost like take that off the record right now. But you know what? Fuck it.
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I don't care. Okay, but there was this one episode that made me be like, I can never skip the challenges because I used to feel that way. Remember last season when the housewives had to jump from, it was the only time Alan Cumming broke character.
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The housewives had to jump from like plank to plank and they, those big old titties and those fake asses, they were falling left, they were getting truly injured and Alan Cumming.
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Yes, literally Alan Cumming was like, Jesus Christ. Cracking up. And, like, if Alan Cumming is breaking character, then everything is worth it for me. But I feel like sometimes the challenges will tell you what you need to know about, like, how people are going to vote, too. The way some of them act.
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Less so than the gossip in the house, but I do think sometimes it can be indicative of
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Can you watch Peacock on 1.5 or 1.2x speed or anything?
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I got it like as an ally. Like... But maybe it would have been worse to come out and then get an equal sign. I don't know. Anyway, so just thinking about life and death.
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I hope to God this doesn't happen to you, but I will say I was living for when Bob was like, and your brother's not even a good actor. And everyone's like, that's below the belt. Zac Efron in 17 again, how dare you? It was like, no, that's what actually upset people. That's what actually riled them up. And the Jersey housewife being like, and your brother is a good actor, just to be clear.
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And he is. For Zac Efron, for their family. Depending on the family name. I need this win.
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I watched the new one, and then we started a group chat called Roni Updates, and everyone just did it to taunt me, to be like, Peyton will finally lock in.
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I once was getting a massage and she goes, I can tell you've never done hard labor. Oh, well, I've done emotional labor.
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Hunter would bring up, like, should we do Roni this week? And I'm like, we could put it in Wondery Plus. I'm like, girl. The good stuff is on Wondery Plus, just so you know.
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So subscribe to Wondery Plus or an Apple podcast. Let me tell you that. But I logged in, and I have watched through season three. Yes.
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I paid taxes on Scary Island. And we'll get to that. Listen. Okay, so just like first reacts of the girls. Yes. Okay, let me ask you about them. Well, originally, Jill, I thought was going to be like the Karen, the grand dame of... Jill Zarin, Zarin Fabrics. Yes. I love a bit from Long Island. I loved her, like, loud mouth. I loved her, like, straight shooter attitude.
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That recently changed a little bit. But I thought she was going to kind of, you know, a little bit older than the other girls, leading the pack, being a guide. Things shifted. Bethany on board. Bethany Frankel. Bethany Frankel on board. At this stage, totally.
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Are the cameras getting this? Like, it's very... Like, I will say at this point, voice of reason. Kind of like, yeah, I could take that. Alex McCord and her gay husband. Complimentary to the gay husband aspect. Every straight white woman needs a gay husband and this is hers. I feel like she's always reaching for a storyline. I don't care about her being in Brooklyn. Me the fuck too.
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To survive in Brooklyn in this economy. I mean, again, me too. Have you seen the fucking prices? So I'm not like into her, but she's fine as like what I would consider a supporting character. And I was like a friend and ally to Bethany or whoever is interesting to her at the time. Ramona, so how long do you have?
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Ramona Singer, nobody moves like her and quite literally because that model walk is burned into my brain.
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She is senseless. And at this point, I actually respect it. It's like so messy in the way that it's working for me.
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Okay, but you know who actually deserves prison? Who? Kelly. How do you say her last name? Ben Simone. Kelly Bensmoan.
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I have texts of you liking her. For two, literally two seconds. And then immediately was like, oh, kick rocks and die. Kick rocks. Kick rocks. You said segregation. Segregation. We drink at different water fountains. Okay, you and me. Even though I'm the black one, shit. But yeah, I will get into this more later, but like truly one of the nastiest women that I've ever seen on TV.
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Because let me say this. She's so condescending though, but I love her. I know. And I think she's real, but she's so condescending. It makes me feel like I kind of want to deck her just a little bit for
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I can tell there's more for her. I can tell there's room to grow. Last person, you know, new to this season at least, Sonia. Honestly, Sonya's looking good. Sonya's kind of giving mother right now.
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I don't know if things change yet, but, like, she's gorgeous. And she has a great outlook on life and actually the way she lives it, which is... Beautifully, recklessly, and sex positive. I'm in right now. Okay. So who from the cast is you and who's me?
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Let's see. If you have you, I'm ready for you too. No, no, no.
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Okay. Three, two, one. Luann. After I just was like, she's an uppity bitch. No clock, don't worry. No, I knew you knew it was you two when you made the Marnie reference because your ass is Marnie till you die.
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Yeah, that's true. And that's just so, yeah. And who am I for right now? Ignore the history of everyone else, like whatever happens after, but up till now, end of season three, three, two, one. Sonia.
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Wow, look at us. And I'm like, she's sex positive and epic and lovely. You see how I set that up?
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Anna Torres. I'm always thinking about like past and love and stuff like that.
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She said, oh, honey, you need to get that together before you come over here.
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Can you give us a little recap of like for those who may not know or just want to remember and run down memory lane?
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It was so crazy that it actually made me feel like bad for –
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only a moment though and that's why you're sonia that's why you're sonia because sonia eventually as the situation devolved sonia's like everyone stop it's enough she's obviously going through something we're being no literally me to eat the crab cake being like just i'll give it i don't care like that is me trying to overcome say libra moon trying to be like everything's fine it's actually okay mediate no way no literally hunter's crying right now
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It was the craziest. She was like, no, this is actually harmful. She's crazy and we're all sane, which is an insane thing to say to comfort someone. So what do you mean? Something's going on. It was so serious. She called Bethany a ho-bag. She was insulting her food that she was pregnant cooking for hours. And then being like, oh, most chefs don't even make their own sauces. So I don't know.
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Sonia's sweetheart being like, oh, I saw her going crazy with those chives. No, she was working it. That mango, like it was. And the thing that was so irritating me the most is like if Kelly was maybe responding to something, it would be one thing. But Kelly was just, wow.
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This isn't about you. And it's like on Ramona's own like wedding renewal thing. Yeah.
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Ramona Singer's being normal. She's in the right for once. I was watching this episode being like, if Ramona Singer is one of the people with the most common sense, something is wrong.
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Like, what are you talking about? And also kind of the homophobic way that when Ramona was trying to comfort Bethany, like thank her for doing this really beautiful gesture of making dinner. And Kelly's like, oh, you guys are going to make out? You guys are going to make out with tongue? I was like, you hate lesbians.
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reaching for a storyline, but watching her tremble was hilarious.
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How dare you invalidate her trauma response? Oh, that's funny, actually. Instead of the dead face. I was actually pretty clever. No, I think like this has awakened. I mean, even the reunion afterwards, the three-part reunion because they couldn't fit it all into two. Look at her Bravo newbie.
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It's like she loves to deflect and then like get up when like she's being held accountable for her literal actions. Yeah. And then try to turn it into a PSA like bullying campaign. Deadass was like, this is what happens when four women gang up on you. And they're like, we're literally just telling you how you behave. We just watched the clip back. Like, how are you trying to make sense of this?
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And she's like, it's happening again. It's happening. Here they go again. I'm like, they're telling you what you did and how you made them feel. You bitch.
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Is she on the next season too? Yeah. Oh, okay. Wait, there was a moment where she goes, no, I didn't have a breakdown. I had a breakthrough. She kind of ate that one because same sister. But the times I've had a breakdown, I'm like, actually, breakthrough.
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Oh, my God. Release the tapes, please, God. Andy, if you're watching this, we need to see it. We'll pay good money. Oh, my gosh. Wondery will pay good money.
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I will say I'm obsessed with this episode kind of being peacock promo. Yeah. And Peacock, not know if you want to link and build.
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Well, you know my taste in men. Didn't we just decide I'm legally not allowed to talk about men?
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It's not on me. Kind of ending the way he started though. But in the interim, we have a little app called Red Note. Have you heard of her?
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You know I got hurt. Okay. So I was at a party and we were talking about age and we're in a group that includes a friend of mine's little brother who's I think like right on the cusp of 27. Definitely Gen Z. And I was making a case for myself that I have a young attitude. People think I'm youthful. I don't know. Maybe it's a glow. Maybe it's because I'm black. You're older than me, right? Okay.
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They should use that actually for some promo video. That would be funny. I They don't need help promoting. No, they're doing great because they're number one trending in Apple's U.S. app store because people are fleeing TikTok to go to Red Note. And the irony of that all is that they are both Chinese-owned apps.
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Ah, Trump will figure it out. It's between like Red Note and Lemonade, which I believe Lemonade is owned by ByteDance.
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So those are the two like top contenders of who's going to maybe replace TikTok. But I have found a home in Red Note.
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Yeah, a little bit more about it. I can't pronounce yet, watch this space, the actual Chinese pronunciation of the app, but it translates to Little Red Book and is commonly referred to as Red Note, at least in the US. It was founded in 2013 and was one of China's biggest social media platforms with 300 million users. It's kind of like China's Instagram.
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But I actually find what's really cool about it is it doesn't I mean, of course, there's novelty to it for the people in the U.S. downloading it. But I find it reads a little bit more like Pinterest, like Shopmai. Yeah. And then TikTok. It doesn't feel like Instagram to me at all, but I get it as like an alternative to Instagram for Chinese users.
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Yeah, it's kind of like a whole world in one except for I would say YouTube because I haven't seen at least so far anything long form.
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That's the thing that I will say is kind of hard to figure out right now. I mean, all my notifications are in Mandarin. So I'm going to have to... How's that working out for you?
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I'll tell you, not great. It's a learning curve, if you will. I like just started Spanish class last week and I was like feeling so amped about it. I'm like, no, I got to fucking learn Chinese too. Okay, here we go. I mean, learn Mandarin. But here's the thing. It's really difficult, at least so far, to figure out who is on the app already.
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It's a little easier with Lemonade because it's the same owner. So it'll show you both on TikTok and on Lemonade pretty easily. But for not only the language barrier situation, but it's pretty non-intuitive, at least in my experience so far to find your people. But what I do like about it is I opened the app and two things were immediately true. One, all the videos are almost welcome.
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Hunter sent me a photo of Matthew McConaughey in a crazy wrap skirt and was like, your type. And I was like, grow up, of course, of course. So I'm going to work on myself and we're not going to be watching the Ned Fredson show still.
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We're so glad you're here. Stay here. Like this is an invitation to like connect cultures. I love that. You know, I love big hearted moment. But I also love that a lot of the videos, and it's smart for the creators that are already on the platform, are tutorials. So they're getting a lot of engagement by just like showing you how to use a platform. Again, still confused, but that part is helpful.
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And I will say almost immediately, I scroll and I'm just served butch lesbians. And I didn't fill out any information. I didn't fill out any like, here's my interest, click the boxes. So I do like being clocked.
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I think it'll hopefully be a platform that people still participate in because I think it'll be exciting to see how it serves us differently. And I do think that it will be, if this is you, a good platform to, Miss Capitalist Queen over here, call me poor, a good platform to make some money. Because it's very shopping first. Like, it's pretty easy.
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It seems like that's something that's easy to sell against.
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The way you found a way to bring up Club Chalamet when we are talking about a brand new Chinese app. Come on. Ooh, did you stretch before that reach? I'm obsessed. But have you downloaded it yet? Of course not. Okay. Well, like I said, I'm playing hard to get. Sorry.
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Mind you, last week, Hunter's acting like so me right now, not standing on business because last week Hunter was like, I'm not too proud to download the new app. I'm going to dance. I'm going to do whatever you need. And now she's like, close the doors.
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You're like, I'm too old to play these games. Wait. Oh my God.
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Calling me old. Let me see the hands. Well, that's it for this week.
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And I hope to soon see fan cams of, what's his name? I was about to call him Draco Malfoy. Oh my God. Dave Frank. Wait, not Dave Frank. Oh my God. What is his name? Dylan Efron? Dylan Efron. And I hope to see fan cams of Dylan Efron on Red Note yesterday. Keep that whole thing.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello. And the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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It's actually not a screening. It's just Hunter doing... One man show. Top to bottom. So come on in. It'll be great. Wait, love. Yes. Lovely you plugged that. That was so unlike you. She's on camera talent. That's how you know she means it. What else will we be watching? What else have we been watching?
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And don't forget that we have a bonus segment that drops every Thursday only on Wondery Plus. This week, we're talking about the rumored Justin Bieber comeback tour. So subscribe to Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts to check that out.
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or looking for a home for your worst opinions? Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat. We're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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Well, thank fucking God. Oof. Sorry to curse and say God at the same time. Hunter's sensitive about those things. I hope my mom does not hear that.
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Season three of The Traitors. We are so back. Thank God. I needed a reason to live. And if you didn't watch season two, go ahead and go back and do that. Season one, you can skip. It's not. Did you watch season one? Actually, no.
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I hate like a six-month bitch that's like, what's your deal? No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Legally, yeah, I'm older than you. I'm the baby at the park. Emotionally, though, young hearts run free.
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And what about it? You're just now, we're 33 episodes into this damn thing. And you're like, wait, you knew this. Okay. In this new season, here's some of the cast. Britney Spears' ex-husband, Sam Asghari. Is that how you say his name? I don't know. Don't care. Derogatory. We have Zac Efron's little brother, Dylan. Complimentary. We have two recent new lesbians. Shout out to Gabby.
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Shout out to Chrishell Strauss. Stouse? Strauss?
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Just go ahead. Okay, Bob the Drag Queen, which we will really get into. Boston Rob, which we will really get into. Tony, couldn't even begin to pronounce his last name from Survivor. And a lot more of people from The Challenge, which is just always going to remain a blind spot for me. Sorry to that community and sorry to the Big Brother community. But we locked in. Oh, we locked in tough.
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So right now it's Bob the Drag Queen, Danielle, who I believe is from Big Brother. Yeah. And then Carolyn.
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Almost the only one with common sense, in my opinion. Oh. Oh. Oh. Hey.
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You interrupted. You're telling a colorful story. But I'm in this group and I'm saying like, yeah, people think I'm younger than I am. My friend's little brother turns to me and goes, let's see those hands. A bitchy gay, obviously. Let's see those hands. And let's see them. And, of course, they're actually, like, really well moisturized and really gorgeous. Get a close-up. Get a close-up.
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You said she has common sense. I didn't say all that. I mean in this game. Sorry, don't judge a book by its cover.
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I was going to say my reaction to that moment was Bob didn't even need to say anything then. Like the thing with Phaedra that I think worked about her loudness, about her, I do too much because you do too little, iconic line. One, I think that it was a nicer balance of like being loud when she maybe needed to be more so or defend her honor versus Bob just being loud for no good reason.
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Yeah, but that was kind of after with more of an accusation of Rob instead of Bob.
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But I just think, like, in general, Bob, and I love him down, but is playing to two things. He's trying to be so, like, for the cameras, like, all these witty lines, which is, like, let it come naturally. Like, this is different than Drag Race, a show I've never watched, so I don't know why I made that comparison.
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And then the other thing, hear me out, is I feel like he knows that all these white girls are going to, yes, mama slay the boots house down for
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him so he's like i'm safe because all these little white girls like yes bob we love you girl like and that is very different you're still playing a game you're not just like hanging out so i think he's thinking that works to his advantage and it did for a minute because all the girls at first like christelle was like there's no way it's gonna be bob yeah and how easily she was convinced when she was like wait yeah he's running this show he's being loud as fuck and then they got his ass
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You deadass just asked for lotion. Because they were dry, and that's what reminded me of the whole story, the trauma that I experienced.
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Yeah. But I was surprised that he led that conversation. I thought he was giving Dylan a look to be like, okay, floor is yours. Like, I'll back you up.
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I, like, put my hands in my pockets immediately after. When they asked you that? When your friend asked you? Yeah, I was like, you won't raise a gun to me, to my head. And the group was like mostly younger. And I was like, so I'll just unalive myself. Don't you worry. But I actually do have, I will say, incredibly soft, youthful hands. Get in touch. It's epic.
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No, but you know I love a fickle queen. Shout out to Gabby. Wait, shout out to when Gabby specifically said, not only was she so easily convinced her very correct idea was wrong, she then said, you know what? Even if she's a traitor, I don't care. I love her. I'm biased. And there's a double standard. And that's okay. She's just like me for real. Because that's how I'd be playing.
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I don't think so, honey. Standing on business. She said, actually, totally. Yeah. She's been kind of here for a good time. Not a long time. So we'll see what happens.
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Her and the little Bambis are kind of taking it from me. That forced name is so crazy. But like the three, I think it's Nikki, Chrishell, and Gabby. They're like, we all have big brown eyes. And Robin. Is Robin a Bambi too? No, Robin's not a Bambi. She's too busy being a green-eyed bandit.
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But that fourth little name, I love them. I love that little troop. I kind of hope things work out for them.
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But we have to have that conversation eventually. Oh, my God. Because you know how I feel. Yeah. I actually don't know how you feel.
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The meanest woman you've ever met? Nurse. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway. Less on that. What else? I think, oh, this is what I want to talk about. You know who I want? I want you to make a case for your man, your man, your man. For who? Scandival. Scandival.
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I was like, funny, funny, funny. There is this one moment where they, Alan Cumming, like summons them back to a room. They all have to go return to some space after someone got killed. And Tom, the way he like looked around. The sweat stains were a whole different thing. But he looks around and then like Alan shoos him along. And the way he just drops his head like this.
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That man is not from Earth. Maybe we do need to tap into... No, I'm watching Pump Rules.
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And everyone starts crying and being like, wait, you ate that? That was actually really affirming and kind and thoughtful of a response.
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I was like, I got scared for a second. I was like, you and three sodas, caffeine hates to see you coming.
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Even I found myself being like, okay, headband. Yes. Not too much of my girl. Yeah, I liked her.
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Even the way he poked Demi, I was actually mad. I mean, everyone's like, Demi, maybe you overreacted. I said, no, get him. No, no, no. Get him again. Get him for me.
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Yeah, it was so high school boy.
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Oh, my God. Yeah. I love a crossover episode.
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We might need to get into Vanderpump next, actually. He made me sit up. I was, like, kind of listening and walking around the apartment, and then I stopped and was like, oh, he's a mess.
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No, Layla's working this season. Girl, give it right to, like, Mikayla. But do you believe him? He claims that he slept with Jesse. And, like, actually the heat was originally on Demi. Demi. Sorry. Do you believe it? Do you believe that they actually hooked up?
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I was like, just sit, sit down. You think she's guilty? I think a lot of bad bitches have done more for less. That's all I'll say on the matter.
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Maybe they'll be on the show. And you 10, maybe a few bitches, maybe it's plural and I won't name names. But there's only two women in this room right now, I'll say that. We'll see, we'll have to wait and find out, but I just might have done a little smoothing. A little necking, if you will.
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Okay, starting off season two with a bang, if you will. Hated that, but I'm going to commit to it, actually. No, I'm so excited. Because I meant it. With us today, we have Joel Kim Booster, actor, comedian, and host of Love Hotel on Peacock. Hey. Hey.
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I guess y'all are both light skin and committed to your issues.
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I did not know I was in the season premiere of season two. I'm honored. It's business. Only the best.
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I think that, like many people who came up on Twitter, I was a hater by sort of training. I'm an OG gay Twitter member. I was on the ground floor. I was in the trenches. And certainly back in those days, hating was how you got engagement. I think it still is. But now that I... I'm pushing 40. I definitely am feeling, I think I'm more intrinsically a lover at heart.
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That's beautiful. That's shaking the table. You went through it to go to it.
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Is that what they say? Close. I think it's for me is like, I really, I just genuinely enjoy the experience of loving something, even when it's bad. Like, I just, I love to see like a high school production of Legally Blonde. And there's a lot to hate there, but yet I love it.
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Oh, I hate it, actually. It's because I think this is a special problem that gay people face a lot, is that as soon as a girl named Heather meets more than one gay person, she immediately wants to set them up.
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And maybe that person's name is Hunter.
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Oh, well, when you put it like that, yeah. So they're obsessed.
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My thing with setups in general is it's a mirror that your friend is holding up to you and you finally see what your friend thinks of you based on the person that they've set you up with. And that is sometimes hard. Sometimes it's hard and sometimes you find out that your friend is a hater based on the setup. Yeah. That they have sent you out. Also, you hate me.
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You know what's funny, though, is that when I got to New York, this guy was like, I want to set you up with a friend date with this other guy. He's also gay and also does comedy. And then put us on a group chat together. And we were both so... Like, because that was the reason he gave, we were both like, no, we don't want to be friends.
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Like, just like, we don't want to be your two little gay Asian friends that you like set up on a play date. And so we put off meeting for a long time and that person was Bo and Yang. And then we finally met and we were like, Kiki and sisters immediately. And we were like, fuck this white guy who actually got it right. So that is like the most successful setup I've ever been on platonically.
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Oh my God. Like my lover heart just grew a little bit. That's kind of what Emerson College did to us. They put two black girls, because there was only two, in a room and said, you're going to study, you're going to watch The Nook of the North together and you're really going to bomb.
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What? Did you just go on vacation? No.
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Um, yeah, I mean, definitely, uh, Susan Pak was like a big one for me, obviously. And then Dave Holmes, I'm dating myself now, is a big one. But you know who really turned it out for me? It was America's Funniest Home Videos, Daisy Fuentes. Daisy Fuentes, she did the big one.
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On America's Funniest Home Videos. I just thought she was like so beautiful and like a woman in comedy, you know? A woman in comedy just introducing nut shots.
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And that's where I'm coming from. Someone's got to do it. Honest work. Honestly, yeah, period. You're obviously a big Housewives fan, but let's kind of, let's set the girls up who are listening in. Can you talk us through the setup of Love Hotel starring possibly your favorite housewives?
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No, I focus. I keep my eye on the prize. My WNBA Tammy Gives New York Liberty. Yeah.
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Yeah, so Love Hotel, it is basically, it's, what is that show? Love Island meets The Golden Bachelor. It's these four women from various Housewife franchises. We've got Ashley Darby, Giselle Bryant from Potomac. We've got Shannon Storms Bedore from OC, and we have the one, the only Countess Luanne. from New York, and they are dating.
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Waves of men are checking into this hotel, this resort that we were in in New Mexico, and they have their choice, and they go on dates, and they fall in love, and they fall out of love. Honestly, they don't fight that much with each other. I always say about this show that the lovely thing about it is that you really do see the women sort of like...
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band together and support one another, like girl code down. And all the conflict is usually with the men. So that's like fun. It's a fun change of pace to see for sure.
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I love when women fight men. That's what I'm like, sisterhood. That's the empowerment I've been talking about this whole time.
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Giselle Bryant is Kevin Spacey in House of Cards. You said something radical. She is diabolical.
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No, I put it straight. Potomac is my entry point into the Housewives universe. As it should be. Thank you for saying that.
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The Countess is everything you want her to be like, and more, I will say. Like, the thing is, is I knew while watching, while hosting this show and observing Luann, I knew what music they were going to play under every single one of her scenes. And it was like, I was like, these are comedy beats. Like she is like, listen, they're all housewives. They're difficult to corral.
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Luann, you know, is no exception to that. But somehow Luann made it fun. It was like, it was like, you know, we, we were always chasing her down. Like we, we were always like trying to like get them in the right places, you know, where they needed to be for shooting and stuff like that. Cause it's a big hotel.
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And like, but with Luann, we were always sort of like, Oh Luann, that's, you know, it was just amazing. She did. I told her I couldn't swim. Um, and she told me that the secret to saving your own life in the ocean is to just pretend like you're dead and the ocean will carry you back to shore. And that, I will say I don't think that's true.
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Oh, I was going to be like, that sounds like stage advice.
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Yeah, no. I think you'll wash up ashore eventually. But dead. But you'll be long dead, yeah, after pretending.
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I will say there was this scene where she's walking on, like, the beach at the sunset with, like, one of her men, and she literally says, okay, I'm done, and turns around. Yep. And then he goes like this. I just, I really appreciate that.
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I'm like, stop. I, yeah. Okay. I also, you know, not to give the men too much airtime, but of course we are curious, did you have any favorites of the men? Oh,
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It actually would be. I do feel like the thing with Scorpio moms is they will find a way to make themselves victim. Yeah. They're like, actually, I was hurt after my mother, the truth, ready for the truth, my mom just came to visit. My mother dragged me to the nail salon, like that's closest to my apartment.
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I was like, you're a superstar. Love Wale so much. Yeah, they're all great. There wasn't really a stinker in the bunch. Now, granted, I only knew them for three weeks. And with men, sometimes it takes years for them to reveal the darkness inside.
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You know what? For me, I think it's like you really need to gut check it because I do not get these people and there are many of them. And I was never like this. And it's part of why I was 33 before my first relationship. But like, you should be excited to see the person you're going on a third date with. And I know so many people, especially in cities like New York,
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where they're like, yeah, I'm going out with this guy again. I'm not exactly sure how I feel, but I'm just letting it see what develops, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, no, baby. By this point, you should be feeling something. And I feel like that not having... Not being excited to see your third date is a major red flag for me.
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And I know a lot of people push back when I say this and say like, oh, I was friends with my wife for three years before we, you know, realized that we were good love partners and things like that. That's different. That's not the same thing as like going on a third hinge date with some rando that you don't even like. Yeah. That can't hold it down.
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That does not... You don't... You clearly don't want to invest in this person. So... Just don't bother. And I think some people just need to be dating so much that they put those feelings aside. They ignore that and say, let's push through this. And maybe eventually I'll fall in love with this person.
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As a lesbian, I obviously can't relate to that because I'm like, third date. So you're not asking to marry me. Oh, so you want me dead. I'm so confused. What do you mean?
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And I'm like, I'm flying to LA. I'll see you soon. So that's how we operate here in Love Hotel Times Square. We want to know which housewife would you have sign up for season two of Love Hotel?
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I think this show is... I'm going to say... I'm going to cheat and say two names. I think that Heather from Salt Lake, this show is really built for her. She's one of our most single housewives, I would say. And I think she's really put in the time. She's given us so much in a short amount of time. She deserves... to be in a love hotel and find a man that way.
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And I'm also going to say Adriana from Miami because cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, beautiful and funny and single. And again, a very, very single housewife. So I think both of those women would be just superstars on that show.
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I see all that leg. I thought you were a child of God. Curious.
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I will say I go to, I'm a frequent flyer at a very nice, very normal manicure spot down the street where I wanted to go. She said, I think we need to support your local businesses. They're both local. I was about to say. It's a matter of two blocks or one. When we go to this place, I'm like, there's always drama there. Let's just maybe skip. I don't know.
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Did the idea of the show come from the fact that so many housewives are single?
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Um, I have no, I think the, the idea of the show came out of the success of love Island. Um, I've heard of this tiny little show and dating shows in general, I think, but I do think they're trying all these new formats with the housewives, like, because the shows have like grown and evolved in such a way where like they're self-aware they're, they're almost a little too aware. Yeah.
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of the meta of it all. And, and so I think it's fun to like, take them out of their comfort zones and put them totally situations. Cause I will tell you like people like Giselle, like Giselle is a control freak and you can tell that she, she really, you know, uh, produces her show unofficially and in small ways. And that was not the case on this show.
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And I think it made Giselle so much more interesting to watch seeing her put in this position where she's not in complete control, where she's not necessarily, like, queen of the castle. And so I think seeing these housewives in these other sort of situations is, like, kind of where the whole Bravo universe is probably heading. Totally.
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Oh, yeah. Oh. I think Cynthia, this isn't a spoiler because she's in the trailer, but she does show up. She does make an appearance on the program and is one of the loveliest human beings I think I've ever experienced. And one of the most beautiful too. That we know. One of the best we have.
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God, I'm hoping someone says that about me soon. I'm really needing that. Oh my God.
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I grew up on the BBC miniseries. So I will always hold that close to my heart. Jennifer Ely and Colin Firth are the OGs. They will sort of always be those characters to me. I will say it's a hard story to adapt into a normal length movie. But I think that Joe Wright did a fantastic job. It's so beautiful. I think the one thing that it does capture about that...
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the Bennett family that the miniseries sort of doesn't do is you really feel the wealth disparity in these different echelons in that movie in a way that you don't necessarily feel it in the BBC version it's sort of they're all in the same costume on the BBC version but like you feel like there's like there's like mud in their house you know like it's like they're pigs running around these people are poor confirmed and
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It doesn't seem to uphold any certain standards. There we go there. There's a baby crying. There's a woman sneezing. There's people fighting. There's a man that comes in, points to his wife, says, you know, she's a mother. Can she get her manicure done for free? Oh, Louis Dix wouldn't say that. Now I know you're lying. My father would.
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Yeah, so I think it's great. And I think a lot of the stuff that they added is really fun. Like, obviously, the iconic hand touch moment, the moment in the rain, which I fully ripped off, you know, all of it. It's so good. And, you know, and Peyton, I know you appreciate the hand touch moment, because that is what you get in lesbian movies, for the most part, is...
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Just a little grazing of the hand. It's so nice to be seen.
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And thank you for seeing me, okay? Because literally when we were talking about this in the producing meeting, I was like, the hand moment, and Hunter was like, okay.
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Yeah. That's just for me. That's for us, okay? That's for us. That's for us, yeah. I mean, well, speaking of, of course, Pride and Prejudice, we're doing the very smooth segue right now to Fire Island, baby. Tis the season. Hunter said it was summer earlier today. I feel like it's summer. We're here now. In New York City. So, which obviously means it's Fire Island season.
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When you go back now, do you have a different experience as when you went before your film came out?
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Yeah, I mean, it's definitely like a concentrated group of people that were likely to see the movie at some point or hear about the movie. You know, some of them might have even been there because they saw the movie. And so there is like there are moments where I feel like Mickey Mouse at Disneyland is
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um where i'm sort of like the like in a big hello kitty costume um underneath and just like walking around tea but i will say the thing is about fire island is that you're it is summer camp vibes because you're trapped on a tiny island with the same group of people for the full week and you see that you you see the same people over and over again and so the veterans are are very aware of that and so they keep it cute like they do they don't like
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They don't get weird. Usually it's just a nice comment or something like that. I will say no one is more likely to tell me they hated my movie or give me notes on my movie than a drunk gay guy on Fire Island. That has happened a number of times.
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I have feedback. Yeah. Thank God. I wouldn't do this right now.
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And I'm like, baby, the movie is cut. It's printed. It's out there. I can't go back. I'm not going to do a Zack Snyder cut with your alts in mind.
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Oh my gosh. I was trying to explain. I mean, I frequent Fire Island as, again, the L in LGBTQ. So I'm normally, like, quietly in the back of, you know, I don't take the front seat. I know it's capital G gay there.
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Oh, well, I mean, that's why Cherry Grove exists.
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You know, and I still, for some reason, it's like, I'll stay in the Pines because I like to suffer.
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The thing is, I know tons of trans girls and lesbians that do go to the Pines because I think it's an age, it's more of an age gap. than a lesbian and gay thing with Cherry Grove. The Pines is where you go when you want to have fun and party with young people. And the Cherry Grove is like, once we have kids, we'll go to Cherry Grove.
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I'm sitting there halfway through a shitty gel, and I look to my mom being like, oh, you dragged me here. And my mom texts me while she's waiting and says, I'm going to go. I'm going to make a run for it. Like, the vibes here are horrible. And my mom gets up and leaves me mid-gel, gets up and leaves me to the nail salon she dragged me to.
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And I'm young, so... You know where I'll be. But I was saying, I made a reference to the meat rack and I wanted Hunter to, I'm just setting up my straight friend, here we go, to take a guess at what the meat rack is, a few Fire Island things, and then you'll explain it to her. But what do you think the meat rack is?
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That is a really nice guess and a really great name for a gym on Fire Island. Someone should take that. I will say the gym on Fire Island is very small and it is ground zero for so much body dysmorphia. I'm constantly walking by and I'm like, why are you there? We're on vacation. Like, give it a rest, please. Like, it is... And then, of course, I go because I have the same disease. Of course.
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And it's just... You're the person in question. Yeah. You're talking to someone.
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No, the meat rack is a stretch of island. It's in the dunes. And it is a pathway between the pines and Cherry Grove that you can walk. It's very creepy at night, but also very sexy at night. And there's a lot of bushes. And it's where, like... It was like a very early cruising ground and it still exists in that capacity.
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Unfortunately, Grindr sort of killed the meat rack in a lot of ways, but I know a lot of people who still like to go vintage and like really just see what they can dig up in the meat rack.
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Grindr Killed the Meat Rock is like a name of an album somewhere.
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It's a Lana Del Rey forthcoming album.
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Okay. I was like, why was that so poetic and beautiful to me? I hate being gay. It's actually a person. Yeah. I was like, you spilled. Okay. What do you think the Ice Palace is?
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But we weren't. There weren't bars. The Ice Palace is a bar in Cherry Grove where the infamous underwear party on Friday nights happens. A rite of passage for every gay person who's going to Fire Island must strip down to their underwear and go to a party surrounded by other people in their underwear. It's great.
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Oh, okay. Hunter's like, book me a ticket.
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Yeah. Ice Palace does just sound like a place you do coke. Yeah, wait. I mean, not not.
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Or church, you know, church icy days. Move along. Okay, sorry. Last one. Sunken Forest.
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Uh, that is like kind of amazing.
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Um, I just got really good ideas. This is a business meeting.
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Um, this, um, so this is just an area of fire Island. I, you know, I'm not even sure, but it's like the, it's like tree stumps and like, um, there's, there's a little bit of Bay water sort of, It's just a beautiful place to go and get a photo op basically now. But also like Walt Whitman used to go there and sit in the sunken forest and write, you know, like, so it's got that pedigree as well.
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We might need to go to Fire Island. That's so crazy. We shoot a doc. Well, maybe it's a second film.
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No, no, no. On this Zoom call.
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They can follow me at I Hate Joel Kim on Instagram. I'm no longer on Twitter. I miss you, Hunter. You're one of the few people that I miss from that place. Otherwise, don't miss it at all. But yeah, check me out on Instagram. I'm also on TikTok. I think that's just my name, but I don't use that platform very much because... That's none of my business. Many such cases.
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What they're doing on there, that is none of my business.
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I love it. That's not my culture. That's not my costume. Thank you. Thank you so much, Joel.
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A Taurus will lock in with you. A Scorpio will leave you high and dry. If that had been the two of us, you would absolutely have left. She even said, maybe. Maybe. She even said there's a really good spot down the street. The place where you should go? The place where I... So I locked her out of my apartment. I told her she needs to give me 20 minutes. She said, you're leaving me out in the cold.
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You know, Pride is coming up. Oh. Hunter, did you know that the L in LGBTQ does not stand for lesbian?
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Leo's? It stands for... Well, see how a straight woman's going to make something about her. God forbid I center myself. Well, guess what? It's Lorde. Another straight woman, actually, against all odds. Well, we don't know that. Yeah, we do. I got texts, actually. Oh. I asked the streets and I confirmed. But we are so sort of back.
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We went from flop Solar Power album, and I'm not saying, no, no, I'm not saying it was a flop to me, even though it might have been, but it was a flop to most people. It was un-streamed in a lot of communities.
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However, that was homophobic.
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Everyone's like, stop being happy. We don't like you like that. She was like noted and then and then got happier. Yeah. And then came back with the Charlie XCX feature on Girl So Confusing. Yeah. Which really shook many tables in Bushwick. It's crazy in this room too. And it shook my table. It shook this little coffee table right here.
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Yeah. Because I've also had body dysmorphia. And it will make you not go to dinner. I'll tell you that.
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Anyway, the way Hunter and I made eye contact made me uncomfortable. That's all I want to say about that pause. And now we have Lorde announcing the Ultrasound World Tour and the new album, Virgin. And a few things came with that. And I'll start with... The Rolling Stone interview.
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Well, word. Government name. Shout out to that writer. I don't know her, but I'm sure it was awesome. But I did see, of course, the poll quote where she was talking to Chapel Roan, who was like, so what's up? You non-binary now or what? Which is so you, Hunter.
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No, that is not me. No. No. No. It would be. No. You're a straight shooter. You're like, I need to know. Because you will respect a pronoun no matter what, through and through. Period. But you've got to know it first. And you're like, I don't want to make an assumption. I don't want to make an ass out of you and me. But you've got to tell me what's up. You're a chaplain.
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It was 75 degrees. I said, you'll make it work. You left me in a nail salon for 30 minutes. You had something to do.
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You in or you out? You Demi or you in? Oh, Lord have mercy. Demi Lovato, Catching Stories. Classic.
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I didn't see that. Yeah. And I wish I didn't hear it either. But it is what it is. But her response to the Chappell's question was, I'm a woman except for the days that I'm a man, which is not a very satisfying answer.
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But there's a part of me that is really resistant to boxing it up, which I respect because I feel like that was part of the backlash of Demi Lovato being like, that was too much after coming out as non-binary.
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Yeah. And well, I think in a weird and not a weird way at all, but I think non-binary or using they them pronouns has become not this like expansive way of identifying in gender, but like a third gender now. Like it's like now I'm picking versus like the whole point, which is like exploring what the expansiveness of gender can be.
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And you're marching through the streets.
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Exactly. Where I pay my rent. And you have the nerve to drag me to a nail salon I don't want to go to and then abandon me.
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I am, I am the moke, moke. I am the woke, oh my God. I'm the gonna say it because I'm the problem. No, when people like don't come out as lesbian, it like pisses me off. I'm irritated.
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True. Every time I'm like, Hunter, be a little bit bi. And then I'm like, wait, no, that's my thing. It's like, I can't even, I can't even say no business about that. Yeah. Oh gosh. But will we be going? To the ultrasound world tour? Yeah. No. Oh.
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She said, like I said, I've got my tote bag.
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Oh, my God. By someone else. Well, if you can get me, throw me a ticket and a plus one, please, so I can bring this girl to look at some people she can find in Bushwick with some music she can play on her speakers in her home.
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Not you being the 365 party girl.
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Are you kind of brat? Are you kind of Charlie in the equation? Dare I say, Hunter is brat. Oh, sorry. I take it back. That was the most Kamala you have ever been. And you've been her a few times. Arrest her. No Kamala, but arrest her. Oh, Jesus. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be. Oh, one more thing about Mormon wives.
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And the worst thing I've seen on TikTok in a long time is Lorde not being a lesbian yet again. Make sure to follow us on our new account. Again, we got our body done, okay? YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, at LemmeSayThisPod. And LA, guess what?
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Some of my most white behavior after jumping out of a moving vehicle.
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Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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And they will be. They get me together in those comments. They do. Your DMs in the comments on the Spotify link, they get me together. That's actually so funny. But we're about to get you together.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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She came into the green room ear to ear smiling. You know she don't smile like that. I was happy. Oh, God forbid I'm happy to see my best friend. Oh, my goodness.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorifying group chat. But we're not calling you out. No, no, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space. To talk shit. But, of course. From Wondery, I'm Peyton Diggs. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Oh, Let Me Say This. I've been waiting to say this.
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No, I've got a few things to say, and I'm going to say it right now.
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Okay, I was upstate on my eat, pray, love shit, and Hunter said, Peyton, it's season two. It's time we get serious. It's time you walk into another season two of Real Housewives of Mormon. Real, nope. Nope.
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So that's what I was going to say. So that's what I was actually right about to say. And mind you, I'm having this lovely full day. I'm off my phone and then I'm locking in the minute I get back to my hotel room and I'm pressing play on the most toxic show I've ever seen with my two God-given eyes.
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Yes. And I will say, spoiler alert, okay? Skip forward 15 minutes if you need to, but honestly, we're about to get into it, so you don't want to skip. You don't want to settle in. All right, I'm pulling some popcorn out and a soda. Get you a swig soda and sit down. Yes, some swig, girl. So where are we at? Where are we at right now with the girls?
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Just like ours. Season two. We're back. We're in it. Season two.
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And speaking of the swinging drama we have OG MomTalker Miranda Just the nice, normal blonde girl, but she was part of the original swinging cast, if you will. And she's back and she, I don't know, she's kind of, she plays it safe to me, but everyone's always like arm's length.
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Pregnant. Happens to the best of us.
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But obviously, like... I don't even think she's trying to be excited, though. She was, from jump, looked down and said... In her head. She starts crying like immediately.
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Yeah. And she does. I feel like she's actually the only person that stands on business about being like, Whitney, you're messy. We see how you move and we're keeping... I'm not saying I'm on her side about it, but I do feel like all...
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Yeah, and I can see that all the producers are doing their job this season because they got their girls aside and they said, it's time to step your pussy game up, okay? Because we had like two leaders last time. It was like, oh, Demi storyline, Whitney, and then Taylor. But this one, everyone is fighting for that limelight and thank God.
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Jessie is kind of her second in command, which, listen, turns. She saw that everyone on TikTok was doing the Mormon rankings, and she was booking number one every single time, Demi. So she said, well, let's put the cameras on. Not cut the cameras. Put the cameras on, deadass. Let's get to filming.
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Another girl who's stepping up to the plate, little Miss Messy Layla with her tiny body and her huge tits. She's going to topple over. No. She came to play. I mean, not really play. She came to, like, set things up and then immediately, like, back the fuck up.
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They said, just do your best. Get involved. Go play with the other kids. And she did.
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Well, yeah, no, no. And keep that in. No one edit that out. No one edit that out. You've been a life stumbling over those words.
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I just want every black woman out of the Mormon church.
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I am so tickled by this man for some reason. And I want the best for both of them, mostly Taylor, obviously. But their on-screen chemistry, they are too... Fools in love.
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No, the people running this show are hilarious. I love the editors. I give them every award. But also that scene with them fighting. The way that people fight in front of family is crazy to me. Oh, Taylor's family?
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You know who got her. Well, actually, that's not true. I was going to say, who? I almost said her mother, but her mother does not got her. Anyone in mom talk, I know that. Definitely not anyone in mom talk, but Lena, is that her mom's name? Leanne. Leanne. Yeah. She don't play about her daughter, but she also only plays about her daughter. Yes.
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That's the point of the show.
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And he was really driving this kind of like witch hunt against the most famous American self-made woman billionaire. Yeah. or even the first. And then it's like, she goes into prison, gets kind of stereotypically like gloom and doom. And then it's like, oh, and guess what? Now she's like teaching them how to do stuff for her other inmates. And now it's like, now it's so happy.
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And that arc just seemed way too clean to me. And I was like, I don't, this is like not working for me. And it also kind of like we never really write the story after that. It's like how she kind of builds back up other than like the Justin Bieber roast.
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It just kind of like fits too cleanly into a narrative that I was like, that's probably why she was pissed because you're like kind of discounting everything that she has done that's made herself work. Yeah. That makes sense.
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And then we get that little boy, the 20-something-year-old, talking about, oh, I stood up to court. I was happy to talk about her. I was like – The boy being like, he was mean. She was mean to me on the phone. I said, and she should have been meaner. Yeah, exactly. Actually, she should have been meaner.
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I did not say that. I was actually thinking of you will must know about Cardi B in her legal action wig.
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Someone, a writer in the post had written a, had written about the trial every single day of the trial and was like really leading, you know, another witch hunt in the New York Post against her. And then she was like, well, that woman's dead now. Thank God.
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I don't know. She didn't really have that smoke for me. I liked it. I wasn't really into it. But I do want to talk about Martha. When she talked to the New York Times about what she didn't like about the documentary in so many parts, one part which I really liked and think is probably correct. She said, And I was like, and that's probably tea. Like, legit.
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And then she was talking about how she hated the music, which I like that she said classical music has nothing to do with me. Like, she wanted it to be scored by Snoop Dogg or Dr. Dre or something like that. But, like, I liked that kind of thing where she has a narrative in her head that, like, this man was kind of placing it upon her that did not really apply to her.
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Like, all the stuff about how she seems so traditionally, like, buttoned up or super proper or super, like, conservative, none of that ever seemed to reflect how she actually moves within the world. Yeah. When she's, like, I'm actually, like, extremely demanding boss, such a perfectionist, kind of a pain to work with, and relentless my pursuit of, like, being one of the most –
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successful female businesswoman ever.
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Yes, yes, that's what I'm saying.
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Wait, on the topic of local government though, Let's talk about local government, though. Let's talk about local government. I love local government all of a sudden because tell me why.
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I was going to say, I finished watching this movie. Oh, girl, you should just see me walking around my house. I said, oh, actually, I'm not changing a thing about myself. No, perfectionist rights. Hunter cancels therapy for like the next month. What am I saying? What am I saying? Oh, so she was relentless and said, this needs to be done perfectly or it shouldn't be done at all.
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And that's kind of why her talk show, the daily show that she was doing with the apprentice guy, like why it didn't work because it wasn't completely her vision, which I found very inspiring as someone who feels, you know,
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the pull of capitalism to continually compromise myself but okay i want to end here when the director said on the podcast the town with matt bellany responding to martha stewart saying like i would it wasn't surprising to me that she would have made a different film but she gave me her feedback and then she was upset why i didn't make the changes blah blah blah and so the one change he did make was at the over the end credits he put the snoop ferrell song beautiful
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And why did that check me as the biggest fuck you in the world? Oh, it made me mad. It made me mad all over again. I said, oh, how dare you?
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So everyone beware of Martha Stewart. I don't think anything's wrong with Martha Stewart. I'm just like, I actually don't see a damn thing wrong. And it wasn't even insider trading if you want to get into it.
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I actually just got my nails done yesterday because I broke one and it was like, it was too much for me. Okay, no. Chi. Chi. Osei. Chi Osei. Let me say this, sir. Let me say this guest sat right in that chair, passed a bill, no more broker fees. No more broker fees. And they have, now the representatives have like overwhelming majority so that even if Eric Adams tries to block it, he can't.
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Also, Chris just worked on the iconic Hollywood cover. This is true. We will be discussing that. Do not worry. There's a lot.
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Big asterisk on that, but sometimes true.
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Only right now. Right now. You're doing it for us. I have a very important question. Are you a lover or a hater?
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The core is love. The core is love. If you look really, really deep.
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Okay, are you, obvious question, are you a lover or hater of Wicked?
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I think you are. You're the number one. You're the Club Chalamet of Wicked. I am. Yes.
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Actually, I do. Because first of all, you've been gone being an absentee mother to our listeners. Deadbeat mom alert. Well. And look at you with my sunglasses on.
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Let me say, where are those bitches now? Where are those boys who didn't want to go now?
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I'm so glad that you're keeping in touch. I am. Three others are in the closet. In the closet.
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It's really moving, especially as an adult working in media, when you can work on something or talk about something or anything that's like your actual genesis. Like that is so important to like how you became the person that you are with the taste that you have.
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Well, now you've done pissed me off. Now what? Because I don't know if you, so, okay, the election happened. Many people are upset. Many people are in shock. Shocked. My therapist told me that I was really displaying an incredible level of radical acceptance.
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I was going to say, like, not to be, like, too much of a stan right now, but I remember literally the piecemeal updates you would write about, like, talking to John Chu even, like, I'm supposed to say a year ago.
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It's what a woo-woo girl would call manifestation. What an L.A. girl would call manifestation. I didn't mention the crystals that I had.
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All of a sudden, like, crystals charged in the moonlight. Yeah, yeah.
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Okay. I want to talk more about your story. Mostly about how, what's a nice way to say this? You really capture the friendship between Cynthia and Arianne in a way that like really worked for me. Because some of the stuff, it's like a little bit too much for me. I'm like, okay, we, you know, I love women empowering other women, but.
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but continue but I think you really like cast exactly the right point of view on their relationship and this moment and this movie and how how it feels like kind of lovely that they found each other as friends in this way yeah well I really appreciate you saying that it's funny I think one I will say to be fair to everybody else and all the press that's come before I was lucky that I got to be like
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No, she was like, you sound very, you sound very, like, healthy about all of this. I was like, yeah, no, I mean, it's happening. Yeah. I don't know what else I can do. You've kind of only ever been black in America, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I could totally go read the comments of a New York Times article and then really get worked up again. Sure.
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But anyway, then I got on Twitter and I was, like, throwing popcorn, you know, as I want to do. And Lizzo. Oh, okay. She posted a top-down kind of POV of a white sheet of paper, and she was holding a pen in such a way that it has sent chills down the spine of, like, my grandchildren. Like, the chills that I got reverberated throughout history. Like, how would you describe that iron grip?
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And actually I'm mad because why wasn't he sexiest man alive? No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm doing a January 6th right now. Like that's who it should have been. I was shocked that it wasn't actually.
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I'm going to leave that weird. Wait, what? I didn't even look to Hunter in slow motion.
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Okay, I have a very important question. What did you think of the Kim Kardashian private screening? The Kardashian family private screening? And did you do that Q&A as well? Yeah, yeah.
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It wasn't an iron grip. I was, like, watching the way she holds a pen, I said, oh, these lyrics make sense. Yeah. Now it's all starting to add up. Your career makes sense. Now that Kmart music, it's all kind of making sense. Okay. She holds the pen, swear to God, on her ring finger like this, like that. No.
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Another very important question. Have you seen Gladiator 2 yet?
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Are you thinking, what do you think about like the Barbenheimer kind of trying to make that into a thing?
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Glidickid? Glidickid? That's the one that I said. Glidickid.
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You're over on Montrose, Glidickid.
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This is the best in the world. You too are the best in the world.
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In New York City recently, there was a Timothee Chalamet lookalike contest, which you might know this already, benefited Club Chalamet in ways that you cannot even imagine. And now these lookalike competitions have gone global. They've gone, dare I say, miserable wide. Yeah.
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Okay, let me just jump in very quickly. These competitions have been happening a lot of places. There have been a Paul Meskell competition in Dublin, a Harry Styles competition in London, a Dev Patel competition in San Francisco. And then over the weekend, I saw a Jeremy Allen White competition in Chicago. And I DMed it to Peyton.
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that away of course the message was dumb as hell sending love to the world i'm not sending love to the world so lizzo but then the there's only one z in lizzo and the z looks like a seven it was crazy yeah it was crazy but then i tweeted about it and someone was like talk about this in the pod really there's a request yes oh my god i'm taking reader requests okay we we're the people's princess we listen to our community unlike america
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And when I DMed her on Twitter, through three different mediums, she responded to me. She was so excited about it. She literally responded to me on Twitter. Yeah. And responded to me again via text. Yeah. And responded to me twice more via Instagram. And I was like, oh, girl, I know she's jingling her jewel box.
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Including Timothee Chalamet. Including Timothee Chalamet.
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I think the key part, though, is in the video that we're talking about, it's kind of like they're walking down an aisle. Like, they're walking down, like, one after the other. Like, if you ever had to do an Easter program at church, you know what I'm talking about. Like, some people are running really fast. Like, some people are, like, kind of taking their time.
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But it was just really one after the other. And it's like, oh, wait, a black guy's there? Okay, totally. Totally, totally, totally. I see it.
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I think that's the other part, which makes the Jeremy Allen White one like top tier in my mind is that at like the Timothy Chalamet one, it's like, oh, there are like so many. There are chocolatier Timmy's or like call me your name Timmy's or ladybird Timmy's, you know, whatever. They just are called NYU students. Yeah.
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But at the Jeremy Allen White one, they were really kind of all in costume, like all wearing like an apron and a white shirt. Yes. And like smoking cigs.
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I'll give it to you. Relax. I did see people on Twitter saying DEI, but for her inclusion, their inclusion.
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Interesting, interesting. Hunter. I did just get my nails cut.
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Okay, yeah. No, the Jeremy Allen White one was good because that one guy who showed up so late smoking cigs with flowers, he's like, I was going to make the paparazzi shot, whatever. I was like, no photos, no photos. It was like, how do you even know that? Like, how did this fact that's so terrifying terminally brain-rottingly online make its way to like whatever little dive bar you hang out in.
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Like wherever you get your little beer and shot. Like how did that come together?
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I didn't see that one, but I have a lot of sneaks. A lot of people who I was like, you're just a white man.
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Also, it's very hard to be like a Harry Styles lookalike. You know, like it's like that kind of looks like everything and nothing.
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Honestly, now that I'm kind of shocked that Christopher Nolan didn't show up at one of these just to cast, just to take a look around.
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Well, well, well. I don't know. I don't know if you've heard, but according to every newspaper in the world, there's a male loneliness epidemic. And I'm like, where's the loneliness? They're all listening to Rogue instead of going to a male lookalike competition. Get out of your house. Oh, my gosh. I like it, though. It's another way that men are like embracing loneliness.
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vanity and kind of like self-delusion in a way that feels very like pleasant and not actively harmful. Yeah. Like not actively voting for a fascist president. Like all of that, I think amounts to a lot.
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We care. Speaking of the people, today we're going to be talking about a mother of the people. Yes. Ms. Martha Stewart and her documentary on Netflix, which is so good. We'll also be talking about the epidemic. Listen, I've tested positive. The hot male actor lookalike contest around the country slash globe.
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Did you see our friend Ian's post about the Challengers lookalike, the Challengers boys lookalike competition? No. And Ian was like, so who's going to make my coffee tomorrow? Yeah.
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Okay, so what competition would you like to see next? The Dwayne the Rock Johnson competition. Sorry, I'm very... After his little GQ shoot, I'm very Dwayne the Rock Johnson. What did I tell you the last time you said this? I said, go to a MAGA rally. You'll see a bunch. And you? Desi from Girls Lookalike Competition. Girl, go to Cobble Hill. That's where I live. That's where I live.
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I walk around and I see him again. You've gotten docked before.
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And speaking of lookalikes, I was at the Louis Vuitton flagship opening and I saw Jules, son of Solange. And I was like, I wonder if he's looking over at me thinking, she looks just like my mom.
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And don't forget that Martha Stewart and I are both Leos. That's very important information.
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Anyway. I don't like that. I don't like your 2B curls saying that. Shut the fuck up. Okay. Say what you're going to say.
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Did you like it? I mean, I liked hearing about Martha Stewart's life. I liked her talking about it. I think, yeah, to your point, it's like so many documentaries now like feel so reactive, feel like they're really just trying to like capture a moment, like a true, mostly like a true crime story. And it's like the real work of like what makes a story
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more interesting or like more rich is like having seeing like the effects in like retrospect where it's not like oh we're talking about this like immediately after a trial or immediately after whatever it's like oh when she says this trial was like a such a small part of an 83 year life i'm like actually t low key and fuck you james comey again
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But then I think that's also very revealing too when they're reading her diaries from prison and she's like, I feel so alone. I feel so isolated. Her boyfriend would even text her back. Visited once. I was like, oh, girl. Like those are the things that I'm like, oh, what's that smell? No. Smells like bitch in here. Those are things that I was, like, very interested in. But then what else?
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I was just – there were so many things that, like, I don't think I could have appreciated before. Like, just knowing about Martha Stewart through my entire life, obviously. Even my childhood best friend's grandmother had a doormat outside of her house that said, Martha Stewart doesn't live here. And that was, like – They were junkie as hell. They were white and junkie as hell.
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We don't need to get into them, but just how junkie you think? Junkier. Okay.
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Sorry. I'm going to DM next. I know. Leave those white people alone. Anyway, but what I mean is that like hearing about how she literally started just a woman who like to do these things, like wanted to cook, wanted to kind of build a home and how she and her husband at the time would like make these like outdoor projects, like renovation projects in their old house, all of that stuff.
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I was like, oh, this is like fascinating. Also, she was beautiful. What a babe. I was like, oh, girl. Sorry.
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No, no. I know that she's hot, but I meant, like, she was just so, like, oh, my God. Glossier found shaking in its boy brow boots. Yeah. Eleganza down.
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I think that's – yes. That's kind of what I'm getting at. Like, I knew she was always – because obviously that is such a big part of, like, a cultural figure who is monetizing, homemaking, like – that she is just beautiful and like lives the life that you want to live. But it's like the glamour that feels so like, whether she was making money from this or not, she'd probably be doing it anyway.
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Like that's how authentic it felt to her.
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Yeah, interesting. Because you have brought up the parents a lot. Her dad, remind me, her dad was... and also hit her. And then her mom was just kind of like a cold figure in her life. What was that like?
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Well, but I think they've repaired now. And now she has a very rich life with her grandchildren from every interview she gives. But I guess I was also kind of, I mean, I was just into the relationship of it all with her husband. Her husband, who she was like, they were kind of really, as the Bible would say, equally yoked. Yeah.
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And then this man starts running around talking about, oh, then she's like, oh, I kissed a man in Rome because I was so taken by the beauty of a chapel. And it was like, well, it's just a kiss. Like, what are you going to do? She's like, grow up. Yeah, literally.
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hold on it's blurry like it's just a cathedral that's gorgeous oh the cathedral yes but the other her actual affair when she's when she she's going in on her husband's affair she was like and i hated that bitch and he moved her into our home and i was like okay now you got me like i'm really on your side and then rj king the filmmaker is like but didn't you have an affair didn't you have an affair you know early in your marriage she's like well that i mean be serious
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But, and I'm kind of on her side.
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No, because you can't move another woman into my house. And the fact, and now you're going to be worked up. Wait, RJ King is like a gay Instagram model.
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You know what I was thinking about? Remember all of those, the women's march, like all like the white, yeah, yeah. Like the white men, the white women who'd be like those signs to like, screw it. I'll do it. Dash black women. Like where are they right now? Where are they? Are they like, turn this on? Did they Pokemon go to the polls?
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I wish them both the best. How about that? Okay. I think the other piece of this that, like, really just has this animosity for me, and maybe for Martha as well, is that her husband not only had his girlfriend living with them, but that this woman was, like, working for them. Like, was working for her.
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Yes. But also in her diary interest when she's like, how could you do this to us? How can you do this to our family? Like, have you no shame at all? Like, how dare you? And of course, I met her through the documentary watching it. I'm Googling, where is this man now? What is it? Andy? I'm like, where is Andy now? Andy's wife.
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She got on Facebook and was talking about, oh, Andy's ex-wife is talking about us again. I was like, Andy's ex-wife? Bitch, you mean Martha Stewart. Yeah. Real true lovers are back.
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Hunter's new to therapy. What are you talking about? She should be more. She was right. She was right and he was wrong.
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They've kind of, these white, these black women have been doing a lot.
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Yeah, she still seemed mad. That's my sister and I'm mad on her behalf. You grudge-holding-ass motherfuckers. Oh, my God. I saw this thing today about how crows can hold grudges for 17 years. I was like, that's nothing. And Hunter's like, that's nothing to me. You're so annoying. No, but I do – okay, speaking of grudges, I want to talk about The Trial. Yes, yes.
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Because I felt like something about The Trial, it just – I did not like that part of the documentary. And Martha Stewart gave an interview to The New York Times where they were asking her what she thought about the movie, and she thought that The Trial was like – you know, so crazily overstated in her life story, which I think is probably not true.
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But I do think that the way that the doc presented the trial in a very kind of clear narrative driven way, it was not interesting to me because it's like, it was light insider trading, very small, small insider trading. And it's like, and it was James Comey who would, you know, eventually fuck out the 2016 election.
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Yeah. Yeah. Also, the titties at that reunion. My God. I mean, I appreciate a woman's body. I am a feminist first, second and fourth, not third. But the amount of racks on that. I was like, Dolores, baby, your titties are, your nipple is at your chin. My God. The push up, the skims were working overtime on that reunion. Everyone's titties were sitting.
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I'm kidding. Sorry, shaking right now. I'm sorry. I'm kidding. I think let's leave that alone. No, I love them together, though. I love them together. I think, you know, the couple I want to see. No, I want to see Boston Rob with his little backwards hat and I want to see Dylan cosplay. Yeah, OK. And I want to see it in Williamsburg. And I will.
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It's probably there right now if you go take a long walk. Every single day. It's there right now. It's active. I was so, so charmed by Rob, but really the real queen of the season. My God. There's always a breakout star, of course. Gaggy. Yes. Yes. My queen, my lesbian queen. And here's what I want to say.
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I want this on the record because she did this post interview show on Watch What Happens Live. And she had said her housewives tagline would be quick to cut people off. But I love to scissor. Oh, I think we need Gaggy more than ever right now. The lesbian community is riding on her, specifically the lipstick lesbian community. We've had a lot of bad press these days. We had a lot of bad PR.
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I don't even know if I identify as a femme-ish right now. I'm giving it, I guess. But like the masks have been taking too much away. The toxic masks. No, no, no. Your time is done. The femme queens are here and we're here to stay. And Gabby is doing that for us. So this is just a public thank you for representation.
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Bitch. I hate how straight you are. It's a prison. For me. Not for you. For me. I'm in the cell. I'm behind bars.
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I know. But I love her, and I love her being on that damn show being like, cash me my check, Andy. Run me my money. Bravo.
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Oh, my God. Oh, they love when you have a coffee. You go first, actually. I really, to be honest, I know we said we were going to talk about this, and I didn't think about it. Me. Number one, Ramona Singer.
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I love everything you just said. And I love that all of it went right over my head. But if you like it, I love it. And I am an ally. You don't have anyone to add? Girl. I didn't even, I honestly didn't even think. Oh, Luenell. I would love to see Luenell in the Traders. Would love to see. Well, OK, actually, what's the qualifications of a traitor?
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Do you have to have been on like a reality show in order to be on it? Not according to me. Oh, well, I guess Dylan Efron. What the hell? I don't know. He did that documentary with his brother, I guess. Yeah, so did a lot of people. Oh, and that's that. I don't even know why that was so mean. I'm sorry. I love him. And that's what you missed on Glee. Yeah.
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Don't you worry. Yeah. Yeah. Have you been? Well, I've spent an extended amount of time with my mother, so I've been better. Yeah.
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You sound like Bob the Drag Queen being like, and your brother can't act. Like, my God, nasty. I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it. Nasty.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our healthcare system.
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I was like, I guess we can't talk about Haim's new song relationships without technically hard launching our breakups. We're just getting ahead of the narrative.
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Continue. You know one of us is a lesbian, okay? One of us is fragile, right? Oh my God. No. Why don't you artist your way out of this? I can't. There's no solution for this. But there is this new song. Haim will always get me together.
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Absolutely. I'm getting this engagement off. I'm like, no, no, no. Because this woman made too many comments about my body for 18 damn years. So we're going to get her to work. We're going to get some reparations in there. Only 18? No, she kept it at 30, actually. I'm just kidding. She has less things to say now, but she's had some things to say for a while. She's always had notes. Similar to you.
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And I love when that happens to me. Once I went through a breakup and Control came out. Oh, wow. Yeah. It was a bad breakup. And I said, I think I was with you. We went to the Control, remember? Yes. Wait, yes. I broke up with my white rapper boyfriend. Shout out to Tyler, though. We loved him, actually. Yes, yes. I was going to say. My parents loved him.
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And Hunter was like, I don't really know how to emotionally deal with this, but I'm going to the Control album release party. Do you want to come? And I said... Yes, I'm on my way.
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I was going to ask, what is your transition? Where are we blossoming into? We're blossoming into Single World Summer? You and Danielle going to link and build?
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I will say listening to it for the first time was me walking around L.A. and it was finally sunny for the first time in days. And I was like, I've got this actually like girl is fucking OK. Yeah. Yeah. 20 minutes later, the wind blows me off. I'm like, it's freezing. I'm not properly dressed. Like it was like, OK, girl who's going to eventually make her way to thinking about being OK.
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That's actually maybe more my path. But yeah, those first those first three minutes and those little steps in the sun, they were all worth it.
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You know, it's never a good sign, though, when five different people send you a Haim breakup song and ask you, you okay? Yeah. Never a good sign. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where I'm I'm not going single girl summer. I'm going like Bella Swan through the months of October, December, summer. You lost me. You lost me. I'm wrapped up. I'm doing the artist way.
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She's a critic, you know, she's a critic at her core and a Scorpio in her bones.
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From Queer. Grow up. The boy from Outer Banks, you mean? Yeah, Pogue for life.
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I love him. Really? I think he's so sexy. And I didn't even see Queer yet. So like, imagine that. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's so hot. He's really hot in Outer Brinks, even though I'm like, I'm at that age now where I'm like, before I start thirsting over a boy, I do have to Google his age. Like, I'm 30 now. I can't just blindly stand.
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And in many ways, because you find out someone is 22 and you're sick to your stomach. Yeah. But I love, I feel like the only reason I would want to be, besides the fact that I do have a voice of an angel, a singer, is so I can have a sexy music video where I cast people I think are hot to play my lover.
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Yeah. It's all adding up. I'm doing some long division. It's making sense. I did go from San Francisco to L.A. to be like, OK, we're going to take a breather. We're going to take five business days. All right. And then we'll link and build right back up. We're going to Hawaii, me, my family. Which is a thing that we do. Oh, she got money.
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Do you like what I did there? That was crazy. No, that was good. Maybe there's a spinoff of this podcast and it's just me doing this. No, not that. That's the sexiest he's ever looked.
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No, heard and not seen. That's where I want to be. Oh, my God. That's funny. And then also Justin Bieber in the SZA music video.
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Hailey, girl, you are stronger than me. You are stronger than me. Of course Hailey is stronger than me than you. They go together hard. They have a perfect relationship. A perfect relationship? Well, somebody didn't watch the Justin Bieber documentary on YouTube. Clearly.
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What artists? I'm obsessed. I love them down. Which, if we had to pick, who is who of the sisters?
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Throw them in there. Fuck it. Yeah, like, that's my goal. We're the Haim sisters of Brooklyn. Of South Brooklyn.
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Were you setting me up to tell my Coachella story or what were you doing?
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Six, seven, eight. I mean, why not? If you're putting it right there, I'm going to take it. I'm going to take it right in. Because I will say, I saw Haim in L.A. at this special L.A. show with our friend JoJo. And the vibes were perfect. Often it was bad. Wait, you saw Haim with JoJo?
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Wait. No, she just had an extra ticket and she was like, it was like a special small LA show at a random venue. And the audience there, not the vibe. I mean, I know they're white girls, but there are too many white people and I just know that that wasn't okay. I expect to see a little bit more of like, there's one black girl from private school that I, hey. Hmm.
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Hunter constantly accusing me of having financial security when really I just have student loans and a dream, okay? God forbid. And you have famous parents. Student loans and a good heart, all right? Sure. Lands you in wealthy places, okay, if you come from pure of heart. And many copies of The Artist's Way. You have that, too. Don't forget. And a highlighter, okay? But that's what we're doing.
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But I saw them then and I didn't really love it, ironically. I think they were just matching the audience's energy. And then I saw them at Coachella and I specifically saw them. I wanted to go see them. And I was with my friend Zuri and her boyfriend at the time was in Brockhampton. It's a very like raucous group of boys. And I didn't want to go alone. So I was like, can you guys come with me?
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And they were like, we don't know who these white girls are. Like, what the fuck? And I was like, no, no, like, come on. It'll be great. We go out. When I tell you they started a mosh pit to Haim. And, like, Haim actually does need to be listened to, like, thrusting and throwing your body in every single way. And that's how you should be listening to relationships.
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You should be either walking down the street in L.A., crying, or you need to be, like, throwing your body and pushing people all over the place.
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I'm going to listen to it right now. For the people listening and not watching, Hunter, when me telling that story, Hunter fully rolling her finger around being like, wrap it the fuck up, bitch. I don't want to hear about this goddamn Coachella trip.
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Some people have fully developed brains that listen to this podcast, okay? Okay.
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I'm like, oh, it's daylight savings. Oh, it's time. Yeah. Yeah.
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I don't want to be identified as being in this time and place with you. If I had a nickel...
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That's not the one that looks good. Removing this from my profile.
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And in order to survive that, I do have to take some time away. So I'm currently on my off days of being with my mother.
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I'm like, well, if you want to work through that, do I have a book for you?
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tree animal yeah like girl that's the way noun available you should be able to play it she's a little bit like you know adrian brody act your brain where it's like oh you're just like talking you are just saying something you're just kind of letting it come to you as you speak out loud on the record yeah but i i want to hear your opinion about just like celebrities taking photos with fans
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Oh, I don't know. Like, do you agree with that? I mean, it feels very Chapel Roan to me, like that whole like her pissing off her fans by not wanting to like actively engage with them. I will say like, quote, hilarious, but I agree with it. I feel like if I had to take a selfie every time I walked out of my house looking busted as absolute fuck. Yeah.
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In my little sweats and tank trying to get a triple shot latte, I would have suicidal ideations.
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And because there's so much milk, it needs a little bit more caffeine. So I get a triple shot now.
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If I was famous, I would be like, take a selfie. Wait, can I see it? Oh, of course. I would start to piss them back off and be like, delete that one. Wait, no, favorite that one. That one's nice.
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Yeah, I'm a little white dog build. My mom's dog, Dodger, who's like an old wizard in that tiny dog's little body. Unfortunately, walking a dog is awesome. It's like the best high you can ever have. I'm like, one, you get so much attention. Yeah. People love to say hi to you and your little, little dog. Yeah. It's so fun to watch them play.
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And say that. So I'll give it to her. I'll say that. He should take some notes. White women will always consistently give us good quotes. I mean, this is my white woman get behind me, Gwyneth Paltrow, mother to many, mother to me. When she said, I am who I am. I can't pretend to be someone who makes $25,000 a year. Yeah. And then also forgets all of her co-stars left and right.
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Like, that is my sister. That's my sister. That's my queen. She just says it like it is. She's like, I'm rich. What do you want me to do about it? The fuck?
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Yes. And let's round ourselves out with the holy text, Kim Cattrall. Yes. Six, seven, eight. I don't want to be in a situation for even an hour where I'm not enjoying myself.
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Yeah. Give it up for the white women. Someone has to, and it's us. Two black girls. Well, is that it for this week? Yeah. Thank God, actually. We covered a lot of ground here.
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Well, this is still a call to action to get at least Gaggy on the podcast. Who else did we want on the podcast? We summoned a few sisters. I'll tell you who I want. I want Adrienne Brody. I'll tell you who I don't want. Oh. Adrienne Brody. Oh.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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And you feel so much, I'll tell you, less creepy when you're at the dog park and you have a dog with you. You're not just like observing, which is what I do.
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I mean, maybe it's a screen, but okay. I see a little color. Come on, melanin.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you in. No, no, no. Wait. Oh, we are calling you in, actually. Wait, we are calling you in, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. This is a safe space. To talk shit. But of course. From Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris.
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Well, well, well, we're back here again. I'm so excited. Thank God, actually. Okay, so you're all caught up, right? Traders finale, Traders reunion.
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You got it all. You didn't miss much. But we have to get into, first, our final four. God, I love talking about the Traders. Okay, final four, Ivar, Dylan, Dolores, cheekbones, and Gabi. Four people. First of all, I'm curious your opinion on the winners themselves and then how it all played out in terms of kicking out. What was her name? She was so annoying. Brittany. Danielle.
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Oh, and then kicking out Brittany and then getting to the final four.
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Actually, very that. I'll do no shade. Actually, yes. But the thing that white women are going to do at the end of the day is act like white women. So putting your trust in them, baby, I will say every black girl needs a white girl they don't play about. Yeah. Hilton Dresden, get behind me, all right? But, like, Britney was not that girl for you. No. And I don't even understand.
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They didn't build that relationship up even enough for me to be convinced that, like, they had to even make that alliance and that that alliance was even that smart.
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I was gonna say, I know your ass is overstimulated. Boots. I saw one video, I think I sent it to you, of like all the girls from The Bachelorette doing a dance and then Hunter's in the corner kind of just like... In matching pajamas too. It was really cute. Looking frazzled. I was like, oh, she's not doing that one two step. Not this time.
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Or I would have nominated Ivar because I feel like Dolores had that random gun at his head. Girl, Ivar. Ivar threw and threw, get him out. I think she just didn't even like Ivar. She was like, just get him out of here. He bothers me.
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No, no. Honestly, that was like top three traitor scenes. Honestly, maybe ever for me.
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I skipped the first one and people got mad at me for that too. People love to be mad at me. You hate to see a black woman win. I'm so sorry. I'm always trying to root for a traitor, but I did not want Danielle to win. Oh, obviously not. Obviously not. I'm glad that she got out. And I obviously didn't want Brittany to win either. Headband. Girl, get that. What in the Forever 21 are we doing here?
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Oh, my Lord. But I was also kind of annoyed that it was four... Faithfuls? Four faithfuls, it seems like. I kind of wanted them to vote one more time. Maybe get Ivar out. Maybe, you know, Queen, Cheekbones, but maybe Dolores. No. And then, I don't know. I just... Four people feels like a lot and not a great split, especially after taxes. Sorry. Yeah.
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It's like so like, what? Not even an Allbirds brand deal. Just like a pair of Allbirds. Yeah, yeah. You get like a 10% kickback from like if you use code like Gabby or whatever the fuck. Oh, my God. Yeah. No real money in that, obviously.
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I want to ask you what you thought about the Traitors' gameplay in general. So not just Danielle or Brittany, but like, you know, let's do all the Traitors. So like, or who do you think was the best? We had Bob the Drag Queen was a Traitor. Rob. Boston Rob. Sexy Boston Rob. Brittany, Danielle. And who was the last one? There was someone else. Carolyn with that neck tattoo. How could you?
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See, and that's what she always says, that no one listens to her. And look at you.
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But okay, I will say to wrap us out on the Traitors gameplay, I think I would say Carolyn, again, before that, definitely had one of the best plays. But Bob, not Bob, I keep mixing up their names. Rob was so, so good. And I love a top and a bottom dynamic, aka I love him and I love Dylan Efron. And their little bromance, first of all, I would like to see it. OK, if you listen, leak the tapes.
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But I just love the way that he kind of like put him under his wing. And Dylan, like to this day, to the reunion was like, I mean, that's my guy. We do it again and again and again. I don't care. Like I loved that dynamic.
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And it works. Sometimes you gotta shove. Okay, well, let's talk about the reunion. And let's talk about the Dorinda Bob moment. Who do you think was taking that? What would you even call that? That was such a forced beef to me. Of Dorinda saying, Bob, you're telling the press. I love when people summon the press. Press, press, press, press, press. Like, you don't know who I am.
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And now you're saying I was mad. I wasn't mad. I was like, what? Dorinda...
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I, well, me too about Carolyn, but I just, I didn't think anyone was winning between Bob and Dorinda. I don't like when a white woman talks over me in general, so I will say that. And I do think Bob let her say her little piece. But something we have to acknowledge, because we know someone named Michael Kuby. We know too many gay men. We live in Brooklyn.
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OK, when a gay man says, I don't know who that is. It is shade. It is not like it's just a fact. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If he because I'm not going to say names. But when Michael was like our bitchy friend, Michael was like, oh, I don't know who that is about redacted. Oh, oh, my God. Believe that. But get Hunter's reaction of the. Oh, exactly. Yes.
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So know that when a gay man says he doesn't know you, that it is filled with shade, actually.
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But yeah, Carolyn, I mean, I hope she's well. She's my sensitive sweetheart. My necktie princess. Yeah. That was a little bit of a mess to me. Well, numbers up in the world on Cameo. No. Okay. I'm sorry. That, I audibly laughed when I heard, who was it? Dolores. Oh, Dolores. Dolores said to, they're all trying to console Carolyn. I can't remember these white people's names.
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They're all trying to console Carolyn. And in the earnesty of her big, big heart, Dolores looks at her and says, look at you. You're number seven in the world on Cameo. I'll kill myself. If the one thing you have to say to positively affirm me is that I'm ranked in the top 10 in the world on Cameo.
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I'm like, oh, we've got to like get out of town. I'm sorry I'm 19. My internet addled brain can't take real conversation.
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These are the two most stressful traders in traders history. I can't take them. Everything they do, all their problems are self-imposed. Yeah.
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Like I said, love her. No. Thank you. When you say you're a lover, it's always like, oh, totally. When I say I'm a lover, everyone's like, well, get out of here. Yeah. But I'm a lover of traitors. This season has been so good. So fun. Except for Dorinda getting off first episode. Yeah. Dorinda, my sister, who I met at the cut party last week. You did. Talk about a meeting of the minds.
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Okay. A few moments that I want to talk about this season. Yeah. Bob the Drag Queen at the round table. That was a very good round table. Boston Rob at the round table, like misdirecting everything. Even him coming for Britney at the round table. Yeah. That was a really good one. Sierra, of course. You were the only one that thinks Sierra had a good round table.
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Being like, I could never lie. I'm a nurse. I loved that. And then Wes, Wes with a very MAGA beard, kind of like Irish MAGA. And he was like, I hate all of you. Bye. And I was like, well, damn. At his round table when he was about to get eliminated. And he was like, if anyone votes for me, you're gonna be on my list. All five of you, you're on my list. And then Brittany votes for him.
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And I love that Carolyn, like the Carolyn Danielle, like acting in that moment, like they were really killing that. Like really killing it. You're just too faithful. I was like, girl, this is a game. This is on Peacock.
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No, I mean, I love Chrishell. But Carly and Danielle, I'm like, how are you guys locked in together in this one moment? Like just now you're united front.
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But no, I love Chrishell. R.I.P. I am honestly. OK, who are you shocked is still alive? Because I have many people that I'm like, how is this man still kicking?
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No. Watching that man take that job so seriously. To be clear, after we were in D.C., I have not smiled all week.
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But Tom Sandoval singing to the actually, I was laughing so hard I was crying.
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It was so funny. And the way that he was like, hey, get on it, get on it, Ivor, stop. And even when Alan was like, Ivor, you're your own man. You have to listen to him.
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No, I don't want him to win, but I want to keep him on. I would have him win. It's just like him with the goggles in the creepy crawly challenge.
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Yeah. Someone in the newsletter group chat was like, we're watching Strung Out Willy Wonka. Like, he fully is, like, going through, like, withdrawal to some degree. Somehow. And then, of course, at this round table when he's like, oh, well, we all know that women make the best cheaters. And it was like, he's like, oh, I didn't mean it.
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Did you hear that? Did your phone just make a loud screeching noise? It always does. Did it hit everyone in the room? Did it hit everyone in the room?
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Poor Ivor. Ivor kept his cool during that creepy crawly challenge because I was like, girl, that's what British people eat for breakfast. That's all that they eat is like weird shit like that. And Ivor even was like, Tom Sandoval, what? Yeah, like don't.
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Who am I surprised is still there? Ivor, I'm surprised he's still there. I'm also surprised Britney is there because of how is Ciara getting all the suspicion and Britney is getting like none. Yeah. I mean, Boston Rob did not do a very good job of like trying to put it around on her. But still, I think she's like such an obvious like... Person to knock out. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. And I am surprised that... Oh, Dolores. I'm surprised she's still there.
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But have you noticed like all the kind of post interviews like of the cast both on Peacock and like in media, everyone is like either so surprised that Danielle is a traitor or it's like obviously she's a traitor and so shocked that Carolyn is a traitor. So I think they are, what we're seeing is, like, not what they're seeing in the house.
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Like, she is playing a pretty good game, but I don't like the way that she acts at breakfast.
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The thing about Carolyn, too, is that she's Oh my God, that's Sprouse from Riverdale. She's weird. She's not like other girls. I'm a weirdo. Like she really is. So you don't know, is she being weird because she's a traitor or she's weird?
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That is just her vibe. And both things can be true. I love my neck tattoo queen.
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Yes, I am. I kind of want her to be on Love is Blind so we can get like a description of every tattoo she has because that's all they talk about on Love is Blind these days. Oh God, no. But who do you... I want to see if anyone return. They tease that Parvati is coming back.
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Like a little challenge. And I was like, oh, Parvati. But not to play, right?
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The Boston is rubbing off on me. I feel like I've talked about this before with you and maybe real naysayers will remember. I always fast forward through traders challenges because they're always so boring. It's like, I don't want to go to a moat. I don't want to see a big field. I don't want to do any of that stuff. But this season, the challenges have been so good. The singing one was so good.
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Even the like carrying the big like Easter Island heads up the whatever. That one was really good. I was like, I'm loving this.
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But I think the thing is that I'm raised on survivor challenges.
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I love 24-year-old Parvati hugging a pole. Yeah, with one foot.
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The challenges do feel like, okay, who is, it's like more about who's like being selfish and less about like, are we adding money to the pot? Which is never going to be an interesting conceit for me on the show when like the actual winnings is like $150 and like maybe a Chick-fil-A gift card. And a bus ticket. That's it.
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Well, and because the person who clocked it was Derek and that, like, they're really good friends. I think that's why. I'm also surprised that Danielle did not bring Derek on, like, recruit him to be a traitor. But you know what I don't like, though? I don't like people talking about Danielle's braids. They look bad, but that's not for you to talk about. Well, I can say it.
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White Lotus now. I need her on the White Lotus right now.
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Because she had different pairs of glasses for like different types of reading?
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She is the sister I never had. She is the friend everybody would want. Mother everyone deserves. I don't know a better person.
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Who did I quote that to? And they had no idea what I was talking about.
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Please. I feel like a little baby. Please, please, please, please.
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I have a very serious medical condition where like every four to six months I need to watch two people who have never met in person go into a room together alone and talk to a wall and hopefully fall in love. Only to leave someone at the altar like two weeks later.
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But tell us about Love is Blind. I know, like crank it up a notch. No, I need more of it actually. So Love is Blind season eight is in Minneapolis and it is kind of the whitest season in a while.
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Not your own people. Oh, this season is both like vexingly boring. Thank you. But everyone is like astonishingly stupid.
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Okay, I understand. Basically, this season, it's like, I think they said in the first episode, it's like bigger and like more couples and more people this season. Because after, I don't know if you remember the seasons that were like kind of in the trenches where they had like maybe two couples make it out of the pods. Yeah.
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Wow, she didn't tell me any of that. She did say, when I was checking out, she did say, oh, sorry, I gotta put my lip on.
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I would honestly prefer more boring people than like that, where it's like Lydia and Uche and Milton. Like, I don't want to deal with that anymore. But so it's much bigger cast, much whiter season. Everyone talks crazy because of the Minneapolis accents.
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Wait, I totally did not even clock that part. Oh my God. Okay, but a few people that I want to talk about from the beginning. Yeah. Madison. The one that's been through everything? Yes. Yeah, trauma. Madison, Meg, you said, Sarah and Ben in Black Lives Matter, and Brittany. Okay, so in the newsletter chat while we're watching Love is Blind, someone said, Brittany, girl, denial is a river in Egypt.
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Your husband is gay. But she was the one who was like, I have had experiences with women and I love women. Oh, that was a bisexual.
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I really was trying to see it for her. Like, I thought she, I mean, she's amazing. First of all, she's so nice. She's so funny. She is beautiful. She has a big heart. Yeah. But I was like, why are you like wasting your time on this man with no hairline? Oh my God. And no curl pattern. It's like, how is that even possible? He always looks like the wind hit him. You know what I mean?
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You're having a conversation. You're having an encounter.
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Oh, so you haven't gotten to where, like, she says that she is... No, she's... I got to, like, that was in episode four.
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But I think that's, like, she's on her way maybe to, like, coming to terms with it.
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Because it was really – the way she was like, I've been in relationships with women, but I'm not going to marry them. It's like, so how does, like, marriage come, like, partitioned off from your full life?
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Yes. The talk was number one for me. And number two for me was my man, Mr. K. Mr. K was my Uber driver. You even heard this story. This is brand new. Oh, this is fresh. Yeah. Not fresh. I tried to tell you, but we were busy. Oh. Mr. K was my Uber driver from the train station to the hotel. And I'm like waiting for this man. And it's like looking for an Uber and you're like, is that you? Nope.
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The really chatty one. The human Adderall. She's the one that's dating in that little throuple.
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But no, Meg, I think my thing with Meg is that she's so like, girl, what are you talking about? It's like we need to do like a check-in every five seconds. We're like, sister, where is the story? We need to find a common thread. She does too much for me.
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Don't piss me off. Schools need to be opened today, right now. Open the schools right now. I can't think of a more on-the-nose, like, oh, you're talking to a woman through a wall you've never met in real life, and you say she has a sexy voice, like, duh, her.
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The inception of it all, too. I'm like, is this like a BuzzFeed article from like 2014?
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What I do want to talk about, though, is Sarah. Sarah, my white sister. Talk about standing on business. Okay. So Sarah and Ben are talking the pods. Ben is like, you know, white boy. He's so nothing. He's like a glass of milk with like oatmeal in it. Like just so nothing of a person. Yeah. Sarah, white blonde girl.
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And she's like, summer 2020 really like radicalized me and I think about injustice and inequity a lot. And she's like, well, do you think about these things? And he's like, I don't really have an opinion. She's like, do you think about Black Lives Matter? And he's like, I don't even know.
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Just like that he was so caught off guard by even like this is something that he should be like thinking about at all was so crazy to me.
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Is that you? Nope. And this man comes up behind me. He's like, oh, I knew I'd find you. I always find him. Out of the car? Yes. Gets out of the car, like basically crosses like a lane of traffic. Sure. And it's like, and I want you to imagine energetically, we get into the car and you know when people like are talking, it's like, okay, now I'll go quiet down. No.
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Never. And I think there was a moment too in the pods when the men are talking and someone's like, oh, it's weird that like now on dating apps, you ask if they're like conservative or liberal. And I'm like, that's always been the case. That's always been a part of like apps. Oh, okay.
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But I was so like charmed, not charmed, but I was like very, I was moved. I was very moved watching her be like, this is like really important to me because this is, says so much about how you see the world, how you want to see other people. And then immediately I'm thinking like, okay, if he's like this, what are his parents like? What are his siblings like? What are his friends like?
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And he's like, I think later too, you might not have gotten here yet, but they have another conversation about it. And he's like, well, you know, I don't want it to be like you educating me. Kind of being like, if you need me to get to a certain level, it's not your responsibility.
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But not really giving her any confidence that he will become more curious about the world that surrounds him, about people in America. Yeah. And it was just so like, girl, they're about to fall the fuck out over like him saying something crazy about Nicki Minaj. Oh. And Nicki Minaj will be part of that too. She'll be like, and what?
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This is the thing. I liked Madison at first. And she's a Leo, so.
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You know what that means. But then at a certain point, I was like, girl, what is happening? Yeah. The way that she plays the boy that she clearly is not that into, Mason, against the other boy. I wouldn't know their names. Yeah, whoever.
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And she's so like trying to get Mason to meet her intensity and like trying to get him to like say how he feels about her, like give her this reassurance. Only to be like, oh, just kidding. I didn't mean really like you at all. And then gets mad at him for having another woman he wants to pursue. What?
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Whether he liked Meg from the beginning and like that was always his number one choice is, you know, debatable. But the way that it shakes out with Madison like talking down to him and being like, you try to get two women and you actually get none. I'm like, girl, that's not your decision. Yeah.
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He would like, your dad would win at least a Golden Globe for playing him. Like he was, I took notes. I literally wrote down stuff that he said because I was like, I don't want to forget it. We're like talking and he's like, oh, like, you know, DC right now is so bad. He's like, listen, what I tell young people, save your bullets. Don't shoot each other. Save your bullets. Save your bullets.
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Madison is taking it for me as like the really most over the top, like the Bartice of this season, like just puzzling to a degree that I cannot even put into words. But then Virginia is weird.
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Put it in the little barrel and I'm Charlotte. Charlotte's Web? Oh, Charlotte and Charlotte's Web. No, but baby.
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Anyway, I will continue watching because I want to see how this shakes out. And I really want to see Madison go to the cocktail party and act a fool.
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And you know, I love when like a black man of a certain age is like, you know what we do for our young black brothers? And that's what he was like, save your bullets. I was like, oh, totally. And then he leans into the, he leans into the radio and he says, you hear that Twitter? He's like, they're always listening.
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And I was like, oh my God, you remind me so much of my mom. And he's like, what I do is I call his vertical down to our horizontal so we can settle matters of man. I'm getting that tattooed on my lower back yesterday. That's how down bad I am right now. I'm like, I need that. He's like, you know, I was like, oh, cross. He's like, oh my God, people don't usually get it. Yeah.
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Then one more thing. We were driving and there was this man trying to cross the street and Mr. K almost hits him. And he's like, come on, man, you're crazy, but you're not that crazy. Get out of the street. Was it Mr. K's fault or was it the man's fault?
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He didn't even look at the light. Yeah, I clocked it. But Mr. K really made my DC experience.
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Oof, this week, we've been watching TV. We've been pressing play on many things. We're talking about love still being blind. We found love in a hopeless place. A pod. This pod, not the pods. Did you take an Adderall today? No, but I think my decaf coffee might have caffeine in it. We're also going to be talking about The Traders, doing a little check-in.
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I needed to go with my girls, get a little thing of wine, sit in the theater, sit in a big chair with my feet up. I needed to do that with this movie. I loved it.
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And let me say this. I love a bitch who never learns. She is just like me for real. She truly always has the same exact problem. This man or that one. And I love it. And I love it. I love a simple life.
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Speaking of politics. Oh my gosh. So we were in D.C. at the National Museum of Women in the Arts and we did a fun little hour long kind of like fireside chat.
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She's a widow. Spoiler alert. Mark Darcy, Colin Firth, died between the third movie and the fourth movie. And now she's a widow and she has two kids and she is like trying to,
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kind of breathe some life back yeah get her groove back yeah this is the white version of Stella getting her groove back and did yes and so she meets a younger man Leo Woodall whose name is Rockster which we will get to and then she also kind of like is tracking up a little like flirtation but like butting heads like that turns into a flirtation with her son's science teacher yeah
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So there's really no need. I kind of like that the Bridget Jones conceit that it's like one charming hot guy and one like loyal, thoughtful, like a little bit abrasive man.
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It's always those. I mean, like I said, why does it need to change?
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This is the thing. I do say this is the thing a lot. I really do say that a lot. Anyway, there's a tier of white boy that's like Timmy, Jacob, Austin. And there's like a tier a little bit below, which might be like Mike Feist, Leo. Okay. And it's like Leo's taking it. I would watch him in anything. I really would.
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Sorry, I'm keeping the politics theme going. Sorry. Oh my God, I love Veep so much. It's a show about DC.
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He's so, he's handsome, but not like, and like just slimy enough to be like sexy, but also like very like smiley and charming.
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Yeah. He has that chemistry of like, I can't say no. Oklahoma, the musical, can't say no. Oh. Like he's just so, oh, of course I have a crush on you. You're so cute. Yeah. I do forgive him for one day, which was maybe the worst thing I've ever seen in a long time. Simply I had to start fast forwarding to just get to anything that was happening in that show. This has made up for that.
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I was like, oh, I'm so happy that Renee Zelliger earned you.
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Even though- It's long overdue. Were you team, I don't know, Rockster?
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But you were getting so sick of me because everything I was like, oh my God, it's the Capitol building from January 6th. Oh my God, that's the White House from Veep.
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Hmm. It's hard. Listen, I like Rockstar a lot, but at the end of the day, the day gonna end. He's not gonna be a father to those children. He's just not. He could be like a nanny, like a babysitter for them, but not a father figure. I mean, barely that. If a man can't tux back, he can't take care of kids. And like the ghosting of it all. I was like, ugh. This is Renee Zellweger. She's an Oscar.
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That's so crazy of you. Okay. But Mr. Wallach, I was like, when he took off the shirt, I was like, oh my God, you're so ripped. Like you can't be a middle school science teacher looking like this. What's that body? Like what? What's in your past, Mr. Walker? But I thought he was very sweet. Sorry. I love like the Colin Firth kind of type. I love like the strong, stern, you know, a little bit mean.
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I did love the boldness with which there were, like, not a lot of wigs in this movie. Like, the Renee Zellweger hair looking like a 40-something-year-old woman's hair, where it's like, you don't have to look perfect. It's not like... It could have looked... It could have looked better, but I thought it felt very real.
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I liked, you know, it's kind of like Karen Knightley not wearing Botox, not getting Botox for her little Netflix show. It's like, oh, wow, you look like a real woman in her 40s. Like, I really like that.
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Blame Leo Whittle. How dare you hold a woman accountable for a man's work? This is getting too heterosexual for me. I'm getting nervous. Okay, so now your turn. Would you choose Mr. Wallacher or Rockster?
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I loved Emma Thompson in this. I loved her as like the still stern, like surly, kind of like give it to you straight friend.
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Well, there's Bridget Jones Diary, Bridget Jones The Edge of Reason, Bridget Jones Baby. That I didn't watch. That's the one where it's like I completely forgot like what exactly happened. I looked up the summary before I watched Bridget Jones Mad Rath Boy. Yeah. And basically it's like same kind of setup, but the other man between Mark Darcy is Patrick Dempsey. Ooh, tough call.
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But there is something about Bridget Jones that is so like just pure every woman.
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Like I will never give her up. Since she started singing Chaka Khan and Bridget Jones won when she said, I choose vodka and Chaka Khan. I was like, oh, no, that's a woman for me.
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Have you heard of Simone? You have now. There's something so powerful about black women named Simone. Simone from the Eaton Hotel DC, who you love, and Simone Club Chalamet, her real name, government name.
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A messy woman. And someone who also pivoted industries from publishing to TV. To producing. To producing. Pivot. She saw what was coming. She said, I'm pivoting to video first. She said, I know where media is going.
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I don't think I'd ever seen her in anything really. Or no, The Last of Us, of course. But no, I thought she was so cute. And just so like, it's always kind of weird in the, and just like that is like a good example of how shoehorned in non-white characters can feel into like an otherwise pretty white property. Yeah. And I thought this was like, oh, perfect.
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Younger, beautiful, black nanny who was like so on top of it and so like, oh, already done. Oh, done that. And it's like, oh, my God, the next generation is so smart and I'm so stupid.
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I love her. Her little skirt, her little see-through top.
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I love a see-through top, though. House was junky, too. But listen, and I said... Well, that's why Nico Parker's there. I said, Nico Parker, please. Super nanny. In a crisis, I'm on my way.
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So what do we want from the next Bridget Jones movie? What's going to happen next? We can't end with her and the... Interracial children.
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Okay, yeah. No, I want more of her family. I love her parents. I think her parents have, like, such a funny name.
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Her dad died, like, in the narrative, but her mom is so, like, just stir it, Una. Ugh, kooky parents.
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Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Let Me Say This. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Cut to me lost in the rain in Hempstead, New York, and I look up to see Hunter filming me, bust down, broken, no umbrella. You were in a bad place.
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That's a crazy thing to say live on a podcast. Everyone else, it's like kind of an L for me. The guy that gets pissed on, who doesn't have a home. Javardi's hot mom before Javardi, honestly. And then Santos, dead last. Dr. Sanchez gets up on my last nerve. I hate a curmudgeon-y bitch for no reason. Look around. Everyone's going through everything. You're not special. I'm like, keep it.
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I didn't want to. I didn't need it. What about you?
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The bridge of that nose. Ooh. The bridge of that nose.
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I'm imagining someone asking you to watch Elf with them and just seeing what your reaction would be.
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And a writer on the track, too. But I will say Neo is one of those people that you look at and you can tell he's in a polycule. You know what I mean? It's like you could smell it in the air. How dare you say that about your LGBTQIA plus brother? I don't claim that. Call me in June. We'll see that.
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She was one that Santos dropped the knife in her foot and they had a little like sexual maybe tension or they just.
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Oh, interesting. Again, I told you, I don't stand on business. So, yeah. They kind of like, you know.
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Why Idris Elba in all of it?
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He's still a medical professional. I don't want to be so mean. Wow, I didn't know she was British. She was on that Star Trek show that I did watch. I hated her in that too. Sorry. Oh, wow. Maybe I'm just a hater of the actors.
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Did you do that? No, you wouldn't get near an illegal firecracker.
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He's not even like, he's just a hoe. He's just selfish. Like, he's just, come on. Oh, but good for those girls. You better look in the mirror. Oh. Like I said, don't piss me off. I'm just coming out of my Hunter attitude era. I understood. I was walking through that rain understanding all of like Hunter's woes.
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Where would you want to see them in a future season? What do you mean? Where would I want to see them? Oh, like what instance? Like 4th of July or like Christmas?
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Yeah. I love Thanksgiving. What can I say? I'm just imagining the pit responding to like that bear episode. Oh, Hunter hated that episode.
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Wait, were you an RA at Little Building ever? Or just Piano Row?
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There's a house of whores over there in that hung up chat. Let me log in, in fact. Yeah, let me log in. Okay, what did you say? Did you respond to it? I said Hunter Yvonne Harris. Oh my God. As a woman of God, I can't participate in that kind of conversation. I already said you know what he's going to do. Listen to some Mary J. Blige. Smoked a cigarette. And that's what he needs. Yeah.
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Oh, my Lord. Well, actually, quick question for you. Do you think Dana's done?
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Okay, but next season? Okay, he needs a black queen. Okay, he needs us, if you will. HBO Max.
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And I would like to see it. I would like to see it, actually.
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Mess. Mess. And God, we love mess.
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Somebody's mess out there will do it for you. You'll get your fix.
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That's sweet of you. We have a question for you. Oh, yes, everyone. Are you a lover or a hater?
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It's a safe space for hate.
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Okay. That's too much.
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So we're going to get therapy for both of you, and then we will find our way. Here we go.
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We have an important follow-up question, which is, are you a lover or hater of messy people? I love them.
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No pens in sight. No pens in sight.
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Well, that's kind of beautiful and freeing, actually. You're a liberated woman. If it's meant to be, it'll be, you know, it's just flowing out of me. And that's the artist's way. Think about that.
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And do remind me what sign you both are. Is there a Libra in the mix on one of you?
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Right. Heard. Respect your people. Sydney? Right. Yeah. Nobody's taking notes, by the way. Nobody. That's exactly what that means. I actually have a question for both of you to answer, which is what would you say the messiest thing is about each other?
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Hunter saw my eye kind of twitch and Hunter was like, God forbid a bitch be ghetto, okay? She said, Peyton, don't you, the LA, don't you dare. Because I was fixing my mouth to say something disrespectful.
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You said, am I my sister's keeper?
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Oh, we got to call you to the red table, my love. We got to work some things out. Wait, what about y'all?
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Oh my God, I'm so Sydney. Let me lean in. We are set. And you are so Marie. Are you kidding? What? I am so Cindy in a way that I will... I mean, you are thoughtful, but I low-key kind of play in everyone's face. I'm like, hey, hi, girl.
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I was looking for a photo of my brother and Hunter found it within 10 seconds in her phone. A photo of my brother from 10 years ago that Hunter was like, oh, I have that. Here you go. Oh, that's Sydney. That's Sydney for sure.
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Of him coaching? Yes, of him coaching.
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Yes. Okay, I see what you're doing.
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And I am a Libra Moon, so I just really be in my own orbit. Yeah. Sometimes.
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We were like, oh, what's happening right now that would be messy? This morning we wake up, we said, oh, we know what we're going to talk about.
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That shows you the demographic of the people on the trip. Not even real Katie Katz, okay? But did you guys specifically see the video of Gayle King just dragging her feet? She did not want to be there. She did not want to be there. She said, y'all throwing my black ass up in this. Oh, Lord.
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She's so annoying. Katie Katz are down one billion.
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You could have jumped some rope, came back down. Like, what the hell?
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I don't even want her to represent women. It's like, I don't even want that. We saw what she did when she was- I'm all set. Offered the chance.
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Women's world, if you will.
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Ooh, it's Hunger Games-y a little bit then.
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Not even Omarosa? Like, come on. Send Omarosa to space. And you can see that on Gayle's face. She's like, there must have been somebody else. How the hell did I end up here? How the hell? It's very like the ghetto.
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Okay, to take us out, we have to ask, honestly, because Sydney, you told that perfect story at Hunter's Reading, but we're curious, what do you think the messiest piece of celebrity lore is?
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Because one wish went platinum in my house. Hmm. Oh yeah. Great song. If I had one wish.
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I was like, oh, that. And have her backup vocalist basically sing the rest of the song. Yeah, yeah. But I love some Mary J. Blige. You know, my favorite part, my highlight reel of the Mary J. Blige concert, boot cam. Oh, boot cam.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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So this week, Bon Iver, Justin Vernon, if you will, government name, released a new album. Yeah, it's been a minute. Called Sable Fable. And I'm going to say something that's about to piss Hunter off. Ooh, I'm so excited. I listened to this album and you know what I said? You know what I said?
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I said, Bon Iver did the artist's way. And I know he did too. I said, oh, he's cracked open.
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You did piss me off.
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No, I'll be pressing play on every Bon Iver album. I don't give a fuck. And I specifically came to that listening hot. Off of my first Reiki healing session.
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You were looking different. It was that part of the breakup, that chapter.
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Where you book a Reiki session because you're shaking. And then you chase that with a bonnie bear listening. And, woo. Feelings were raw. Yeah. Feelings were raw. No, I threw out the hardest way. I said, that's all I needed to do, actually.
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If I can convince Hunter to do Reiki, that tells you one. Okay, so we're doing a wellness check. Well, in the best way, actually. Yeah, that's how bad things work.
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Yeah. Great. And if you haven't listened yet, do Reiki right before or do Reiki right after.
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Maybe it's calling to me like the Green Goblin mask. I've convinced now six people and counting. Sarah Hagee is my latest victim, if you will. So you're welcome to the big artist's way.
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Absolutely couldn't agree more. It feels like breathing. It feels like walking. It's a great album to bike or walk to. It feels like such a release and it feels like... really cathartic to listen to. The song, those are all my faves as well, but I also really love short story. Yeah. January ain't the whole world is like, let me tell you about my January.
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I won't actually, that's private, but it's like, this is like, yeah, it just felt like such a big release and like so many of the songs and the lyrics like speak to what I believe he seems to be going through, which is like forgiveness and like thinking about where he is in his life and in the world now. And like, allowing himself, like, forgiveness.
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And she was wearing these like Grinch boots that night. Big, green, bright fur. One thing about Mary, she's not going to be walking in those boots. I know her feet were hurting. I love the way she's like, like that's her like main move. The marking choreo was...
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I always thought he was hot. Well, that's not true. That's a lie.
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No, I'm watching this press tour a little closer. I'm like, okay, I'm seeing, I'm picking up what you're putting down. He is hot.
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Thank you so much, actually. Yeah. This album is something that's like, it's perfectly primed for someone like me, Artists Way, Heart Open, Libra Moon, of course. But then you know it's serious when on Hunter's close friend story, Bon Iver is blasting in the background I said, yeah, my sister's going through it. Yeah.
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You weren't even talking about that. You were just talking about something and then it was going off in the background. So I was like, oh, she's not even, this is now her conscience.
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You should press play right now. Oh my gosh. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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Anyone? Dr. Ravi? Dr. Abbott? And I have to stop watching Bon Iver press tours thinking, put me in coach.
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Yeah. Alvin Ailey, if you will.
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Oh, my gosh. Mary J. Blige, famous graduate. Her, but I'm sorry, her laid out on the ground singing. But do you remember after, she was laid out in a way that kind of was like, something looks like it hurts. Yeah. And then it cut. She was like getting low to the ground. I was like, dang.
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But it cut out for a second and the DJ started playing again after she was laid out like that. And then it took a little too long and then we went back to her. So all is well.
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What is that supposed to mean? Because when you have an attitude... I was there on time, and I was there, and I knew where to go.
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A queen, mother, to many, to me, to us. Oh, she is nasty. She is one of the nastiest celebrities I've ever met.
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And I will right now on this podcast. Mother, but nasty. It reminds me, I have to tell this story, not the one of my experience where she was kind of just absolutely diabolical in the rain on set. Maybe it's the weather that does that to her.
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But you know that interview where Pink is talking about meeting Mary J. Blige, knocks on her trailer, and she's like, hey, Mary, I would love if maybe we could do it. Mary, no, immediately. No, but thank you. Get out. And Pink was like, and that's her right. And period. And like, that's actually exactly how that interaction needed to go. Pink trying to position you for a duet.
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Yeah, we'll be doing that with our chest, don't you worry. And we are joined by Sydney Washington and Marie Faustin to discuss one of our favorite topics, mess. Mm, mess. So let me say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinion? Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no.
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We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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It's time you log in. Okay. We have been for weeks. Every Thursday, in fact. We're in the trenches. With who? Our people at the pit. Spoiler alert ahead. Go forward maybe like 15 minutes because we will be talking about the finale and we will be spoiling everything. So there you go. Go forward.
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You and Dr. Langdon too, but more on that in a minute. Which, speaking of, okay, so quick little summary of what went down in the finale and where we are now at The Pit. Yeah. Hour 15, 9 p.m. Dr. Langdon, who was asked to leave because of some drug abuse situations, comes back. Allegedly. Thank you for that, actually. Yeah, allegedly.
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I think we can round up, but... He comes back in the nick of time to help out during a mass shooting. And then him and Dr. Robbie end up having a little bit of a showdown. Yeah. He's like, you're doing drugs. He's like, well, you're crying, bitch.
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I don't know. Lately, they've been really letting me down. No, she really did try my patience. The lesbians love her, though, for some reason. But we'll circle back to that. Yeah. Speaking of lesbians, Dr. Ellis. Oh, she was a black doctor? Yes. Oh, my God. She was so hot. She was amazing. She was a kind of chapsticky stud. Oh, my word. What is chapsticky? It's like you're not like femme.
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We really went through it to get to it. I'll tell you that.
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You're not like masc. You're like a little bit in between, like a soft masc. We should all be chapsticky, I think. You're in a ballet flat. Shut the fuck up. What you got to know about a chapstick lesbian?
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Anyway, we're introduced to Dr. Ellis. She takes over. She's Night Shift. So hoping that season two gives us a little bit more of her. Night Shift sounds like a Phoebe Bridgers song. It's a Lucy Dacus song.
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Me on FaceTime with security trying to find my way through this.
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But speaking about being through more than Mary J. Blige, Dana. My girl is tired. She held it down. That clip in her hair. Tight.
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I'm honoring her right now. You really are. I'm wearing a clip in my hair to honor Dana.
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And then we have a little moment of my man and your man, Armin. Dr. Robbie, Dr. Abbott. I love the way that we link and build.
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I said, I got this one. You got this one. I'll tag you.
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And the Emmy goes to Dr. Robby. Dr. Rabinovich. Rabinovich. Oh, my God. The honor of my life, by the way, I think the highest form of flattery is when you make a TikTok and someone turns it into a fan cam. Oh, serotonin straight to my veins. Ketamine straight to my veins. Just what the doctor ordered. Literally. I did like a, I'm sick. I am sick, Dr. Robbie. Come fix me.
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Anyway, that changed my life. Nothing to do with the show, but it has everything to do with my ego.
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Because I'm having a mental breakdown every second.
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Me going through my breakup, Hunter patting me on the back, being like, let's go walk with me. We come on. We got to get our steps. We got to go, girl.
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Yeah. I mean, I thought every episode was interesting. Like every episode had a, even if it was a smaller storyline, like something that really captivated me. Like I totally forgot about that.
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It is really crazy that I do be watching the show thinking that I'm live at the pit. Like I'm like, I'm on the clock. I'm working. I'm stressed. Like my shoulders are up here watching the show.
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Okay. Say less. Number one. From best to worst. Best to worst, of course. Number one, number one. Dana. Of course. I love a woman in charge. That's why you love me. You know, I was putting something lesbian down and you picked it up. And I said, put that back, Hunter. Get your hands off that. Dr. Robbie. Dr. Ellis.
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A little higher maybe than it should be, but I'm, again, putting something lesbian down. Those Gossip Girl nurses. Oh, yes.
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Yes. Again. Yes. And then Dr. Abbott. Oh, Myrna. Where'd my sister go? No, she came back at the end. Myrna, Myrna, Myrna.
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As a hater, of course, did you have any speeches or moments that were like not doing it for you? Yes, girl.
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I don't know why I did that. That was so weird. I'm sorry.
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Okay. That was fucked. And I love my sister. That was weird.
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You know what she has that also people don't have besides star quality? It's this essence of the way she walks. She convinced me on the Grammys dress and the Grammys hair. I was not gagged over. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was like, actually, fuck it. She's carrying it. She's carrying it. Shoulders back, titties up. She's carrying it. Yep.
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And then she gave us that iconic video of being like, iPhones on the red carpet. No, she's been famous for literally her entire life.
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I'm like, I don't want cavities, but I want girls. Well, I had a girl, and I lost it, and it was very expensive, and it's easy to lose, by the way. But yeah, she looked so good. Details were important. Loved the reference of Julia Roberts. Yep.
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Okay. I feel like how do you not see the... See, this is where we go different ways. That's where you went, not once upon a December. Beautiful tonality in that voice. I'm going to get a record deal after this podcast. See you later.
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And just like in her suit. What was it? Loewe, I think? Yeah. Oh, just the feather tie.
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I don't know if she actually dyed her hair, but it was like kind of reddish brown.
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Yeah, I told you. Remember? When? I was like, when you're ready to tap into your fools, Zendaya.
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Did you like it? Were you into it? I thought it was hilarious.
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And she's just also too smart to know if she's wearing a ring on a specific finger what it would mean. I thought it was a troll at first.
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She's too, like, authentic. She's from Oakland. You know what I mean? Like, she's like... She's very auntie code in a way that I love. But that ring, what was your immediate reaction? I was like, my Sheila. Literally that, yeah. I actually feel like it's later than – I thought they would have been engaged a while ago, actually. They seem like really – But they're busy. Yeah. They're busy. Yeah.
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I think what he proposed to her at their family home.
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I will say HBO was quick with it, too, to be like, Rue, when was this? Sometime after New Year's. You know, like the part where she airs out that Cindy Sweeney is cheating. That part. It was honestly clever. Good out to their marketing team.
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Yeah, I feel like it's about time. You know, the two are so cute in love. I will say I knew it was real when I saw them doing their interviews and the way she was laughing.
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And that one video of her doing the Spider-Man, you know, I said, oh, it's over for her. She in love, love, for real, for real.
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I'll find out, though. She's being passed around. Sorry. Okay. Continue.
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Here's the thing. Anastasia, there is something that connects the sensuality of Rasputin with the power and impact and big heart of Count Orlok. Something about them is really tethered. Count Orlok, big heart, big heart. We were watching different movies. We were watching different movies. You don't think that part, okay, I'm not even joking. I'm not trying to do a bit. I know it's a podcast.
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Yeah. I'm actually a big, like, my podcast of choice is almost exclusively self-help. Who do you like? We can do hard things. Yeah. Because I am biracial, so there is a white woman within me. And I love her and I treat her well. And then I like have to do astrology of the week ahead. That's what I do when I show her every Monday morning. Is that Chani? That's crazy.
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It's your truth. Yeah. And you're living in your truth.
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I actually like how quick both of you were. You know yourself. Totally. It's love first. It's hate first for me.
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I'm not doing a bit. When I tell you, I was sitting in that theater and she was like, I'll never love you. And he was like, oh, girl, that's child's play. We ain't talking about love. We connected. This is deeper than that. I'm like, lesbianism, okay? Count Warlock is just, God forbid he have a big heart. God forbid he has queer tendencies. No, no, no, no, no.
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Well, I was paid to do it. Oh, my God. Must be nice. No, no, no. I'm shocked by that because threads is like such a... Like, happy-go-lucky alternative to, like, it's supposed to be, like, see, they're free.
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This person. We have an important follow-up question, which is, are you a lover or hater of 2025 so far?
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I think June is when, what's in the year? May. For Oklahoma. For Oklahoma, it's May.
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That's the takeaway. Do you normally start your new year with any like tradition or trend or like, do you have any kind of ritual around it?
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There are so many – the doctor comes into the room right now.
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I was like, this is actually really sweet and romantic and I want that kind of love.
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And I love that it's specifically two bedrooms. I know. Well, three bedrooms is huge. Yeah.
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I was watching Remy. Remy is, she's that girl. What can I say? She's my daughter. She's a sweet, like she's so, she's everything. I love her so much. But I went to the bathroom for two seconds. And when I tell you, and we talked about this on Seek Treatment. Yeah, throwback. Whenever that happens.
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Yes, but I will say something toxic about me is I am journaling in the hopes that someone finds it. Of course. She's a beautiful word.
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Yeah. My family, that's what they're going to live off of. Nothing else. That's my income. But that's my 401k. It's my future journals. But I was journaling earnestly, went to the bathroom for two seconds, come back out when I tell you this sweet little puppy sitting out there. Pages.
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everywhere I know and they don't get that what they've done is so bad no no and just looking cute oh I know so cute we're talking too much about Remy sorry I'm gonna follow her I'm gonna stop I'm gonna follow her and that's all I need to know but wait are you an earnest journaler may not be a lesbian but for now no yeah you never know um no I don't really ever journal
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Like, you're doing it with, like, not because you feel like there's a gun to your head and your therapist told you to. Like, you're doing it because it, like... Oh, yeah, I'm not.
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How was it for y'all? Actually, it was like my personal life, fun, epic, great. Yeah. It was a very like yes and year for me. Oh, nice.
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Sometimes. Okay. Sometimes. Recently. Okay. I was kind of bullied into like hard launching on both podcasts.
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I bet. They want to know what's going on with you.
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Yeah, but I also like being bullied, so like that's my own thing.
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I'm like that person where you go to like Six Flags and then you're getting on the roller coaster and I'm like I'm scared so I'm like don't make me sing and I'm like Peyton Peyton I'm like oh five yes I want to go to Six Flags let's go to Six Flags oh jeez let's go to Six Flags after this I love Six Flags me too I love roller coasters we had an amazing time during what's it called Fright Fest thank you Fright Fest
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a scar on my knee from one of the horror nights. Oh, my God.
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You're right. You have a scar on your knee? I don't need to rely on my journaling. I can do that. But speaking of 2024, obviously you had the Seek Treatment Tour. How was that? Obviously.
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Has That Wife. Aaron Taylor Johnson. For real.
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That's nice. Yeah. There's a lot of gratitude happening, actually. We're trying to say hi, bye. Hi, bye.
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Why we entered their apartment, I don't know, but it was my choice. I said, oh, I can convince her to do a few things.
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Sounds amazing. I don't need to die in an epic way. I don't want death to be interesting for me. I want to go to sleep. Yeah, I want to go to my sleep. But I love the wrist tape.
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Don't worry, you have time. It is short. Do you feel like you guys learned anything about each other on tour that you didn't know before?
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Filled, baby. Back and better than ever from now.
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That's so beautiful, though. Lots of yearning going on on Grindr.
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I'm a mayor here. Was it a nice hotel? Would you recommend it? Yes.
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Yeah, we go. We go together. Yeah, I just thought it was like a really romantic film. And I thought like, I thought Lily was truly incredible. I thought she was really great. I want to see her in more things. I want to see her never in the idol again. I want the weekend to stay far away from her. Big forehead representation is important. But I thought she was fantastic.
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I was going to say, there's going to be crazy things with denim. So it's like, I don't know what's coming. There's going to be crazy things with denim. Yeah. Crazy things with denim. This is actually not a fashion podcast. You're like, you'll never believe. That's all I think about. I know. You are Anna Wintour.
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What a full, very long day. With a road trip. With a road trip.
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And I thought that even she did an interview where she was like, there's supposed to be this palpable romance between them. And I felt it. Real lovers felt it. If you watched Nosferatu and came out saying, love wins. Yeah. Big hearted.
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Okay, so here's the news. TikTok is making a case to the U.S. Supreme Court to avoid being banned in the U.S. We're going to find out the results January 19th.
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Sunday. Sunday. Sunday. God, the Lord's Day. And if it comes to fruition, that would basically mean that the TikTok app just like stops working for you. You won't be able to download it if you don't already have it. And if you do already have it, it'll basically just stop working for you and your For You page just won't refresh.
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which I'm already like shaking, screaming, crying, throwing up at the idea of that.
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So in April of 2024, U.S. Congress passed a bill that Biden signed into law giving ByteDance nine months to find a U.S.-approved buyer or see TikTok be shut down across the U.S. TikTok and ByteDance deny being linked to the Chinese government or that any data would be handed over. Really, this is just a data play, if we're all being honest. A U.S.
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company wants to own all of this very lucrative data because of how much time and how much information people pull from TikTok itself. Is it the number one most downloaded app right now? Or is it still Instagram? Girl, I don't know. You're like, I don't even care.
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Do you think that they're going to actually ban TikTok?
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I definitely think they're not going to sell it, but I do think that it won't actually be banned is my, maybe just, you know, selfish hope because I feel like we're going to lose some legends. We're going to lose some greats. No one's doing it like these creators on TikTok. There's some kind of tapped in mental illness that happens on that app.
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No, but I love how different our TikTok for you pages are. But even that, that hyper specificity and that nicheness is something that I feel like only can really exist on TikTok. Like, I feel like Reels is too much people trying to either give like a TikTok, here's my hot take trending audio that never actually trends. Yeah. Or like just a regurgitation of the same thing every creator is doing.
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No. First of all, actually, they're genetic and also women are more predisposed. Come on. That's not the right word. Come on. I went to Emerson College, okay? I'm not supposed to know words. Look at my hand on my hip.
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You do be wetting hard. So it makes sense that that is on your For You page. I know, but I'm who I am, not what I do. Jesus Christ. Actually, that was powerful.
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All right. If TikTok does get banned, who are you going to miss the most?
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Oh my god, I thought you were going to say because you frequent weddings. You said, I had a dream too that I went to a wedding and then I actualized and it will every weekend.
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Yeah. Who I have to bully to post one single TikTok. My God, no. I think Tanner Tan is one of my favorite people on TikTok and we actually just became mutuals, brag. But every time, do you know his, he's the one that does that Scooby-Doo one. He's working at Subway and then Shaggy and Scooby walk in. Never heard of it.
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We're so different, you and I. No, I don't know who that is. I'm like in public school TikTok. I'm like in private school TikTok. I don't even know. We're on really different sides of the earth.
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But I would be sad and I would be actually like legitimately sad for some small businesses and business owners and individuals that have like grown their success, their business, their financial like security by being on TikTok and how accessible it is as a platform for specifically like black, brown and queer people and how much like virality comes to those communities in this app that's a little bit
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less formulaic than Instagram and Reels. So like, I'm hoping that there's another medium around.
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You're going to be the Sophia Richie of your time.
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That is your home. Yeah, that's crazy. And if you are in line to buy a journal, stay in line. Start now.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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And don't forget that we have a bonus segment that drops every Thursday only on Wondery Plus. This week, we're talking about the long-awaited return of Severance. So subscribe to Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts if you want to check that out. So let me say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinion?
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat. But we're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This.
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You turned to your lesbian, annoying, loud friend and said, you don't like theater.
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But it's true. She was telling me, I was like, I don't know what's happening. I floss all the time. And she was like, well, does your mom have bad cavities? And my mom has horrendous cavities. But she also has an incredible sweet tooth. My dad barely goes to the dentist.
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Wait, the one that was like, and so she holds her tits as like a trauma response or something? I was like, she is just like me for real. I did. I did see that. I'm liking them together, by the way. I'm standing, actually.
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went because he thought my mom it would like help him get back with my mom i won't elaborate on that went to the dentist it had been a while and they were like okay we just had to do a deep clean but not a single cavity and he just like you know he's a man so he doesn't he eats whatever he wants but i i guess i got got well knock on wood on this forehead i've never got a cavity not one but i think it's sweet i'm sweet enough
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God, the devil works hard, but Club Chalamet works harder. God bless her. And then a big night for Demi Moore. And thank God. And I wanted to call back to the episode we did with Matt Rogers. I had exactly... one hour to spare and I said, what do I do with this time?
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Oh, watch the round table. And I was like, she was so, I wasn't as jazzed about it, but I do think that like she was so great in it and it made me feel like, oh, I really, I want to see her win.
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Roundtable kind of feels like people, they're performing too much for each other, in my opinion.
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And I also never really find it balanced enough. Like, I feel like there's always, like, Zoey's held on. Girl, we know you want to answer all these damn questions more than anybody else. Put your hand down over what you're going to ask.
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She was like, so I don't understand the problem. No, that was, she cleared her there. Wait, I also want to talk about something that I thought was so random and funny that they did in the Golden Globes. The fun facts. I was like, first of all, you are now, you guys are just catering to an ADHD audience, which is like,
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you're trying to get people to not be on their phone, on their laptop and watching the Golden Globes. So I understand like the appeal of it. But the fun facts being like, Jean Smart has never had a day job. Adrian Brody loves magic.
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About the movie, fine. But these like random personal ones that were so calculated and couldn't be more boring were just like, put this away, put this down.
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Yeah, The Rock, but something I'm pivoting to. Vin Diesel? Vin motherfucking Diesel. I would dry hump the shit out of his voice. He- Interesting.
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I'm actually going back to what we talked about earlier, which is when my mom called the Fast and Furious movies, which she for some reason despises, she called them the Fabulous Five. And in many ways, yeah. But I actually saw him. I wasn't thinking about him recently. I saw him and I was like, that's actually like my man, my man, my man, my man.
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Okay, totally. But knowing me, I could be thinking about Vin Diesel recently.
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I think Vin Diesel because I think an audio thing is more sexual to me.
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Oh, well, you don't even think The Rock is sexy.
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Hunter recently texted me. And mind you, I read this out loud to my girlfriend. Hunter texted me, your taste in men needs to be studied by a jury of your peers in front of a judge. And I was like, legally, this is why I couldn't even do bisexuality is because actually people were like, you need to stay away from men. Something's wrong with you.
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Yeah, I actually really wish she cut that one in.
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Damn. Not even ironically. Oh, okay. I love those moments. I will say one of my favorite moments was, I'm like late to the Colin Farrell train because I've been too busy ogling over Vin Diesel and The Rock. Really? Yeah, randomly. I don't know why. Wait, he seems, this is what I'm talking about. He seems so your type. I know, but with his little head now. Yeah, well, I'm here now. Don't worry.
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But when he was like, Carolina, Carolina from craft services. Thank you so much. I don't know what accent that was, but I was like, to be Carolina. Yeah.
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And I actually have never had a crazy ex either. Love a girl. But I am an ally to the experience. And when I talk to lesbians, I think they understand what I'm saying here. What I'm saying here is that Anastasia, if you loved it as a kid- You will love Nosferatu. You loved Anastasia and you didn't love Nosferatu.
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from craft services oh my god I would play that on a loop I play the like minutes before I die I'm like you know what to play like take me out it was oh I just one I really love when people are like earnestly thank the real team behind yeah you know but I love that moment and I was like I know she's blush I know she's hot and bothered right now because have you not seen his interview with Clay Clarkson when they're like yeah
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Girl, how are you doing? I am good, actually. But I am good because I just hit 50 days of being sober. Oh. What is that roaring round of applause? Oh. People falling to their knees. Great. Yeah. But I will say, the thing about sobriety that is difficult, I thought that going out would feel harder, but it actually is totally normal and fine.
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And two things can be true at once. But I was going to ask you, if we're going to that, do you think that he was taking the drugs or that there's a deeper story that's happening here?
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Not aesthetically. He looks like a Ken doll to me or not even like an off-budget one.
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He looks like a knockoff Matt Bomer to me.
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Oh my God. Yeah. Big spoiler. I also really don't like, and I really want to like, I think her name is Dr. Moran. Is she the- She's the one that's like, she's slow-mo. Oh yeah. That they call her slow-mo. And she like takes her time and she's very, I'm like kind of like, she's too goody two-shoes to me in a way that I kind of want her to get hit a little bit.
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Just a backhand. Just like a, come on, let's go. We have business to do. We have lives to save.
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Something that I think tonally in the show, like speaking of her and that character type, that doesn't always land for me, but I do wish was the way more people communicated, is how easily resolved everything is when someone's like, hey, I think you might have been a little bias against like, or fat phobic. And she's like, whoa, me? That actually, I'll sit with that.
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And I'm going to think about what you just brought to me. And you know what I'm going to do is I'm going to adjust my language. So next time I'll do better. Thanks for that. I'm like a white woman acting like that in what world? I was like, what?
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I think that's where, if anyone is not drinking right now or looking for an alternative, Ghia ginger and then like the sumac and chili one are actually my sisters. But really, Hunter's like, I don't care about this. I'm drinking. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, I'm charmed by most of the patients. I just find myself pulling out of these moments. Sometimes I get a little bit too after school special where it's like the daughter walks in, her mother's hurt. And she's like, I mean, it all goes back to 1998. That was when we first had, it's like, well, hold on. Like people don't really communicate like this.
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And that's like, maybe some do, but we can't all be open, honest creatures at some point. It's But I'm fine with that. I understand that it has that after school special feel that obviously I'm an after school special type of bitch. So it works for me in the end. But I do find myself laughing.
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And I hate blood. I do often have to go like this when I'm watching so that I don't, I cannot do blood. I can feel it in my toes. I go numb. I hate it. But I, every single night, every single day, every single hour, I lock into the pit and I press play. Something that I think about when I'm watching it though is every time we have a COVID flashback, I'm like, oh yeah, COVID.
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And I simply forgot that. as someone who isn't in the medical industry, how really crazy and difficult that time was and how traumatic it must be and how all these doctors and nurses are still dealing with the pain of that. And just how impressive it is to work in the ER because they're delivering babies. They're intubating every single person, pumping ketamine out every which way.
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And I think that it's one of the few shows that I, one, don't mind a COVID integration and two, find it actually quite necessary to really think about how this wasn't a distant future and how this is still so traumatizing and so difficult for so many people that work in the healthcare industry. My God.
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she's like girl I'm having a glass of wine right after this podcast but I I understand that I'll never understand but girl but I'll stand she still stands I'll stand see I knew it I will say my life has been changed for the better from the up I don't know how to pronounce it. A-P-O-L-S, a Paul's or something.
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I could survive watching the pit. I could not survive working in the pit.
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When that boy got pissed on. No, I'm clogging out. Here's my bat. Nope. I'm out. I'm done.
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You'd be a good nurse. You'd be able to, you like yelling at people.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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Just to be transparent. Okay. We on this podcast, we tell the truth. All right. So Hunter and I are allies to the pause up community. We are here with you. We stand with you. We see you little monsters. We see each other. But we really needed to make sure that we had a true proper TM Gaga gay with us to talk about mayhem.
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It's only right. And thank God today with us, we have DJ Louie, the 14th period, DJ, writer, host of podcast, Pop Pantheon. Thank you for joining us. This will be an educational format more than anything else, but we're so happy to have you here.
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They have a margarita, like non-alcoholic drink that it tastes like we're about to turn into those white women from White Lotus, bitch. And we're about to talk some shit. Okay. I'm swirling that thing like it's real on a nice little big ice cube, a little squeeze of lime. Oh, we're so bad.
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You have to love knowledge. You have to love women. You have to love pop. Yeah.
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I am saying, I was like, why is this feeling spiritual to me? I feel the presence of God in the room with us right now. Like something's happening.
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Okay, another divisive album. Lover, hater, Joanne.
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I love the way you said that. That's what I'm seeing on the streets. That's what I'm seeing on the gay man streets. Like, they're smoking cigs again. We're putting the vapes down. We're listening to old Gaga. We're returning to our roots. Yeah.
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No, I was just. That is so, you are so auntie coded, Hunter.
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She's got something up her sleeve. But that's, knowing Hunter, it's like exactly me. Like, that makes exact sense that that was your entry point into Lady Gaga.
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Nerd tech works. Nerd tech works. Let's say that.
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No, no. I mean, look at her album. Look at the results. What is nerd tech actually?
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She opens a dungeon. She's like, oh shit, y'all are still here. All right.
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She like, she starts like, what can I, yeah, what can I feed you right now?
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And her little break of taking, what was, what's her, house labs? That's where I got nervous. That's where I, once the pivot, the pivot to beauty, unless you're Selena Gomez.
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Can I quickly ask you what you thought about 5'2"? Did you watch the documentary?
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She is falling to those knees over and over again.
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As a 30-year-old now, oh, my God, pain. Yeah.
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My favorite sound in the universe is Remy's paws running on that hardwood floor.
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The serotonin rush of walking or driving to that song, it's different.
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Hunter, hunter. Wait, with stuff around their eyes is actually, that's crazy. They want you dead, whoever that was. Oh my God.
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Okay, you tweeted something about one of Mayhem's tracks sounding like a Taylor Swift song. Sure. You must legally say more on the record.
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And there is a Swiftie in the room with us right now, so like, I would say. And that's you? Mindfulness is just important in this conversation.
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Wait, how old is Remy? Is she a teenager now? In like dog years, whatever that is?
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Perfect. Thank you so much. We love it. Thank you.
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I sit back, I just scroll my, I'm like, that's crazy. No, she did what? That's awesome. But which Housewives franchise are we doing today? Where are we going today?
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I just wanted a straight answer, by the way, but I'll take what I can get these days.
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But I just saw a quote that she said that she is open to coming back.
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You're like, and I love that. And I want that actually.
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You're like, that would actually be great. Speaking of reboots, how would you compare the Roni reboot cast to... The Real Hostels of Atlanta reboot cast.
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You haven't dribbled a ball in your life.
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Okay. And I knew you would take it there. Oh, you're so nasty. You always got to get a lick back. That's one thing about you.
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Can I break the fourth wall? Break it. That's going to be us with, listen, tussle.
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Is it confirmed that she did that or is that like more speculative?
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello. And the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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And we're joined by DJ Louie the 14th, yes, to discuss Lady Gaga's new album, Mayhem. We legally needed a Gaga Gay to come talk to us about this.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no, no. We're calling you in.
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I thought that would be more difficult for me. Mm-hmm. And I love to judge. So I love to watch people act a fool. And I also still act a fool, but just more conscious of the way I'm doing it. But the thing that is hard is like, I have only been ordering soda water bitters and I'm done. Oh, yeah. And the soda water and bitters combo. It tastes like dirt.
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I have to say I know why I started watching.
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I have to give credit where credit is due. In my breakup, Meg was like, maybe just get your head out of the game and like, out of the game, and watch The Pit. And at that time, I was so broken down bad. I was like, not now, Meg. Our friend Meg Zukan. Who we love and adore.
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But I was like, stop trying to push this show on me. Like, this is not the part of healing I'm on. And then I came up for air and I pressed play and I had to apologize to her for holding back. I should have hopped into the pit sooner.
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Okay, you phrased that, though, as if the doctors are railing ketamine. And I was like, wait.
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We're going to make a Max and East out of you, though. You need to be watching the show. But the way you phrased that and the way you have said that to me before, I was like, Hunter, like, wait, they're not doing ketamine. Hold on. But, yeah, ketamine really – Maybe she's that girl, even though I can say on the record, she's not that girl for me. Unfortunately, I try. I give it a good honest try.
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But I will say I have no history with medical dramas. I was never really into like Grey's or ER or I feel like there's a third main one I'm missing. But did you watch any of those shows? Do they mean anything to you? And, you know, does this feel different if you have?
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Not yet. There is a one storyline that we'll get into later when we unpack some of the characters that I'm kind of like, now kiss. And it's not who you think it is, but.
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I'm like, why are we doing this to ourselves if we have other options? I'm not into mocktails because I don't want to pay $15 for juice.
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Yeah, I'm just kind of, I think it's fine to have like a few, I don't know if this, I mean, I love mess, but I feel like let's just all let it go. We're doing something different here. And it seems like they're shooting this on the smallest of budgets to just like, I mean, the shaky, the hand, handheld camera for everything. I do kind of like, but I'm also like. That's called mise-en-scene.
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Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It's giving Max, it has, what, Max? Oh my God, I never called that. HBO is like, here's $2 in a dream. Go make magic and come back to us.
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No, Robbie, when I first was just scrolling on Twitter, seeing more and more pit memes, honestly, that was probably one of the more convincing factors to me to be like, okay, I'm feeling left out. I'm having FOMO and I want to understand what's going on. But I did not understand the appeal of this man. I was like, him is who we're all being horny over?
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So I started trying some non-alcoholic spritzes. I went down the kin. My name is Bella Hadid Road. And that's not my girl. Maybe with some lime. Again, it's giving glorified juice. I guess it's good for like if you want to calm your nerves or whatever. And then I'm like on this journey and this hunt, I tried the Gia. Have you tried Gia?
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He seemed like your type. I immediately got the fan cams of my girl with the tight braid.
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She is like one of the maybe intern girls, glasses, tight, low braid, blonde, has an autistic sister.
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I love her character so much. I love her so much. I will say that I understood. I just looked at her and I said, I get it. Dr. Robbie, I did it. But again, me and these four headlines, something's coming up with that that I'm going to unpack later. But I, once I clocked into the pit, once I signed my waiver, I went in, I filled out my medical forms. I said, Robbie, can I call you Robbie?
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that man, his integrity, the way he takes care.
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No, I'm like, he's so deliberate. He's so firm.
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Her bob is something serious. Her glasses and her cigarette smoking and her voice. Her voice is really the sexy voice. It really is. She can mount a TV, actually. That's a woman who will mount a TV.
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Wait, can you tell me some of your favorite characters and some of your least favorite characters?
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I was going to say get it together. Oh, you know their names? Oh, you know their names? Well, I wrote them down because we have a podcast.
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Okay. The bottle, the like big glass bottle.
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Oh, the black woman with the short hair.
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I was going to say, is that mean, surly individual in the room with us right now?
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obviously Dr. Robbie obviously Myrna I just love like a character that's just a fixture in the space like yes you haven't watched know that Myrna is just like an old hag with the she's in a wheelchair and she's handcuffed to it at all times and she's constantly trying to get out of it I also love the I think he's like an unhoused man that is always asking for a sandwich he's just like me for real oh yes yes he said I'm coming hungry I'm leaving happy I love him yeah
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I will say Dana Evans, that's a charge nurse and who I don't like. Yes, Dr. Santos or the intern Santos. That's like.
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Oh. There might be a fizzy version of it, but the original one, and I say this with so much love and respect in my heart, tastes like licking the floor. Tastes like dirt. Yeah. But, and I'm so sorry to the Ghia girls. I think that they're great people and the bottle is beautiful. But I did try the canned version.
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Her attitude problem is annoying. Her like willing to make you like me. OK, are we in seventh grade, Cody?
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I'm also going to say something. Do you know what this movie... Instead of this movie, you know what we could have just watched instead, which was only a 20-second clip, was when Saoirse Ronan is on that British show. Graham Norton, yeah. And the three other men, it's like Denzel, Paul Mezcal, and Eddie Redmayne, I think. Yeah. And they're kind of laughing about...
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someone defending themselves by pulling out a phone and like hitting striking someone and Saoirse Ronan my buzzkill Irish queen she Irish right yeah Saoirse of course she's Irish yeah it's like well that's what ladies have to think about all the time am I right and then like it's just like dead quiet and that felt like the thesis of this movie and I got that from that
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And of course, I saw her and said, were we doing interracial dating then? I said, okay, go off, girl. She had a little white boyfriend that didn't believe her either. It was very like, and men don't believe black women to top it off. I'm like, yes, thank you for that lesson again. And also, I thought, okay, my sister would have had an afro.
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Let me stare down the barrel of the camera and say, if a man ever tells you, you remind him of Patti Smith, you better run. You better run the opposite way and fast. I want you in your hokas. I want you sprinting, okay? If a man ever has cuticles that looks the way his do, dirt under the fingernail like that. Oh, no. You better run before you get a UTI at the very least.
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Before you get murdered, but before you get a UTI. Either one could happen. Oh, no, Lord Jesus. That's all I have to say. I would have seen those hands and I would have paid the check and walked right up out of there. No way. No how. You sound literally just like my mom.
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I was like, oh, period. Oh, she has taste. She knows that she's pro Channing Tatum, pro George Clooney. That's a woman who knows what she wants. But I will say something and I'm going to still die on this hill even after this movie. I love Anna Kendrick. And I think we sleep on some of her best roles. Trolls, phenomenal film, pipes, vocals, many people in the musical theater community.
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Oh, they hate the last five years. Oh, they don't want a bitch to sing live. But guess what? I listened and I watched and I listened again. That's my queen. And not even because of Twilight.
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Wait, is this a library that's near Newberry Street?
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Oh, all of a sudden you forget the cup song. I gotta take it for the long way. Wow, that was beautiful. I always stop singing before it gets bad, but it's kind of good. Yeah, I do think she's great in that. She's great in like a campy film. Oh, actually, I didn't see her one actual Oscar-nominated film up in the air.
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Aside from this flop movie, I do like the world catching up to what I already knew. Pitch Perfect Trolls, Trolls 2, World Tour, Twilight. Anna Kendrick is a star. And I'll say that. Let me say that. So is everyone born on August 9th.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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I worked at the Urban Outfitters. I worked at the Zara there. And I worked at the All Saints there, brag. Yes. Whatever happened to All Saints?
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My sister, my queen, Megan, the double E stallion, has a new documentary on Prime Video. And it's actually not what I expected. Based off the marketing alone, I had pretty low hopes. But I was living, laughing, loving at this deeper look into her life on and off stage and, of course, the passing of her mother and the Tory Lanez shooting and the case itself.
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I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed the film. And I will say something and just get it off my chest early, which is like the one thing that made me resistant was actually probably the typeface that was chosen. Yeah. Yeah. The chicken scratch was horrendous. I know it's small. I know it's petty. I don't care. I've always been both of those things.
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It was like distracting me how much I did not like the font.
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Yeah. Part of me was like, somebody snatched that phone up out of her hand.
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Yeah, yeah. I agree. I think, like, having known so much about Megan, having worked with her before, having had what I guess felt like, compared to a normal person, more of, like, an insider or closer perspective, I didn't know if I would come away with anything new or something that felt novel. But I felt like this...
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deeper understanding and connection of her as just like, baby girl is just a girl. Like, she's very green to this industry in general, but I think there's this really beautiful, you know, not to pit legends or women against each other, but she is just so in her own lane. Like, such a, I normally hate this term, but, like, girl's girl.
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Like, she's really someone that I do think, especially in an industry that tries to pit women against each other often, especially in rap, especially Black women, like, her distance from that and her refusal to, like, participate in that to a certain degree, I think, is something that's, like... Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Yeah.
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Yeah. And there was actually this moment and a larger, obviously, discussion about black women and black men and so much discourse around like, well, why would she lie to the police about what happened? And like.
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Yeah. But specifically the former. Okay. Talking about that first. But let's get to Gayle King because I do want to talk about that part too.
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But the first part of it immediately made me think of, as you remember, I, during the height of not just a pandemic, but obviously Black Lives Matter movement too, 2020, I was biking and got hit by a car. And I remember seeing that, which was crazy. The guy pulls over and I'm thinking he's going to pull over and get out and check on me. And I remember noting that he was a black guy.
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He gets, by the way, back in his car, continues to drive off as I'm like bleeding out in the middle of the intersection. Oh, my God. And when the police came to the scene, like, I remember thinking, fuck, it's a black guy. And like, if I disclose that or gives too much information, if I make a statement at all, like...
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Am I contributing to this process of mass incarceration on Black men and spinning out in this way? And I had no interpersonal relationship with this man. He just hit me and ran. And I was thinking so deeply about how it really is mostly and almost entirely Black women that have that thought and that hyper sense of protection for others, but specifically for Black men.
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And so I remember getting so emotional watching that part that it made perfect sense for me
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And it felt so insane that no one could, outside of other Black women, fathom the idea that, like, it might be something that is scary or a moment of protection to make sure that, like, this friend at the time, even though, yes, he had literally just shot her, this friend, this maybe someone she had an intimate relationship with, was someone that she wanted to protect in that moment, despite him not wanting to protect and quite literally...
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Imagine someone was like Peyton, which happened to us every single day in college, which was crazy. That's happened to us so many times.
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Yeah. I had similar feelings. I was thinking about the Gayle King interview with FKA Twigs where she poses the question not necessarily as blunt, to be honest. I think she positions it a little bit more like she cushions it being like people might ask the question. Mm-hmm.
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Where society tends to ask the question, like, why stay with an abuser is like kind of the way she really like softly like handed that to FKA. And I think that there was a little bit more like grit on the way that she asked what I would say is a similar question to Megan and Stallion about like her sexual relationship with him.
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Even the way she's like, yes, Megan, I'm asking you if you are if you were fucking that man. But like, totally, I understand the embarrassment. I understand the withholding. I do. You know, I maybe wish her team prepped her for that question potentially to come up. And maybe there was a way that it could have been like I did.
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But let's pause and think about like why that's relevant to me getting shot. Yeah. Like, nothing could possibly tether or connect having sex with someone and then being shot by them. So, like, which is, you know, I understand her reply. I understand that moment. I understand why she kind of froze up. But, like, yeah, I guess I wish that was the reply.
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Yeah. I actually didn't remember them. I mean, don't get me wrong. I remember Tory Lanez being loud as hell on Twitter dot com. But I didn't remember the music video thing of him. Yeah. Chopping or sawing a horse leg. Yeah. In the video. And then the in the background on the chalkboard of the, I guess, like kitchen he's working in. There's like a hot girl summer potentially stands for special.
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And it's like what loser behavior. You're such a fucking loser. What a lowdown dirty dog behavior. And what's even more loserish is all the people backing his little bitch ass up. Like, and that's why I rock with Renee Rapp. Remember that one interview where she was like answering something totally different and then was like, and fuck Tory Lanez. And I was like, that is a white bitch.
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But I was just like, that's your circle. Keep that over there. Like, let these men continue to tell on themselves for siding on the wrong side of history. Humiliating. Yeah. I want to pull out a little bit, though. which is the documentary of young up-and-coming... I guess I wouldn't call Megan up-and-coming anymore.
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And you stopped at a historical site. And a historical site. Oh, yes.
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But in general, I feel like there is this removal of participation in neutral or third-party journalism or documentaries on artists, especially rising artists. There was this... I forgot his name. He was a rapper that had posted this viral thing about... Fuck journalism. And I don't think Megan Thee Stallion is in that camp.
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But I do feel like there's a little bit of an oversaturation, a little bit of a we're moving really quick to make documentaries. We're doing this thing where we're self-producing. And at the same time, the Celebrity on Celebrity interview, death to journalism, my God.
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And I kind of want a little bit, I want less. Again, I was surprised by this. I was pleasantly surprised by this. At first I was hesitant. At first I had, I will say like lower expectations and not because I don't love Meg. I do down. I would die for that woman. But like, I want people to build legacy a little bit more.
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And I want people to like really lean into building a full career before we're like making documentaries on like up and coming pop star.
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I just feel like there were small moments of that where it was like... You know, I loved the focus. I loved everything about her mother. I loved everything about, you know, around the Tory Lanez shooting and her feelings and getting a closer look there. I got lost, I think, in a few parts that felt a little bit like hitting us over the head with like, oh, like, it's hard to be a Tory part.
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We know that it is hard. It's very hard work. But I felt like she's still very much, in my opinion, building her legacy and very much green in a lot of ways, despite having, you know, charting songs and like linking and building with Beyonce. I think that's great. But I think there was I was like, OK, a little less there.
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I think that's a different documentary that I can't wait to see in many years.
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You know, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Oh, God. Tom Holland and Zendaya are one of my favorite lesbian couples. I'm guessing you saw the paparazzi shots of them. Yes, I did. I did. Not just the paparazzi video, but the photo of them holding hands in that extremely complicated way. I said, yeah, those are my dykes.
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It was too close regardless. I wasn't having unprotected sex because of the marathon, just in case those got tied.
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But you know how they hold it. Like, OK, his right hand is behind her back and her left hand is loop under his elbow. And then they're holding hands like over. Like, it's so it's Tetris. It's like a Tetris handhold. And nothing is more queer than making things more difficult than they need to be.
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I will say, Tom Holland is so soft, mask-coated. He's so fudgy. And I love, like, there's nothing better than your STEMI girlfriend getting, like, lightly pushed around and, like, him swarming through to be like, give her space. Give her space. It's so sexy to me. And I feel like, well, actually, I have a critique on what you said.
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Because I think that Tom Holland does a thing that every boyfriend should do. Mm-hmm. Or soft mask lesbian girlfriend, which is see what your femmy stemmy girlfriend is wearing and then be like, what is the B plot to that outfit?
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Like, I'm a supporting character of that outfit. It's like it is. Yes, definitely not of the Bieber, Hailey Bieber. But I do think that he he holds his weight a little bit more.
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Uh-uh. No. Yeah, yeah. I think I had casually mentioned that I had had unprotected sex, yes, with a... Say it with me. White rapper. Let's go. Let's name it. But wait, wow. Was I ahead of my time? Was I like, remember the video of like Megan Thee Stallion and G-Eazy? That was kind of me in Boston. And that's why I have so much grace for my girl. But... That's not the only reason why.
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I mean, I do feel like he always reminds me of the short King conversation that I actually forget about. And he does a lot of PR work for them. He does a lot. I think like that's something that we have to say thank you for.
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Thinking about Jesus Christ. Isn't he short? Isn't Jesus kind of short? I don't think we have his stats.
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To hee hee ha ha. To hee hee ha ha. And slap. I said, oh, she's in love. And that's exactly what she deserves.
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She's right over there. In the hoodie. Actually, that specific video where Laura puts her hand, I think, around his arm. Yes. And he slightly shimmies out of it. And I think he, like, moves it down. And then quickly is like, ah, Zendaya's looking beautiful over there.
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Yes. Exactly. But I will say, I know what Hunter and Andrew are going to be for Halloween next year. If Hunter, if you dare, go Auburn, baby. I think you really shake the table with that one. And a high heel. You need to be taller than Andrew.
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Keep those braids in. Andrew's looking out for everyone here. He said, oh, no, no, no, no, no. We need to keep this on lock. Too powerful. You'd be too powerful. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be. Peyton, am I the woman of your hour? Absolutely not. But Megan Thee Stallion is.
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Okay, Short King. Follow us on socials at Peyton Dix and at Hunter H. And remember to head to Wondery Plus for our bonus chat about what we might be very late to, but what we love a lot, okay? Including, but not limited to, Shaboosie and a very famous Pitbull and Ne-Yo song.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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There's so many other... Yeah, no, so... Wait, oh, my God. So many higher things than that, but I see myself in her in that way. And I had, like, casually mentioned it, but I was like, ugh, like, can't afford Plan B. Like... It is what it is. That's how you actually end up pregnant, not unprotected sex. It's like how you end up pregnant is having an attitude that's like vibes only in this pussy.
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You're like, no, no, we were in the what is it? 72 hour window like we can fix this. You were kind of what is that girl from Shonda Rhimes who's always with her purse and her attitude? Oh, the white girl who was on Gilmore Girls? No, Kerry Washington. Scandal. Oh, oh, okay. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You are kind of the Olivia Pope of my uterus. The way you said, we can fix this.
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And then our friend like took a selfie to document the moment. Yeah. Nothing has been more pathetic than that photo. But thank you. I'm glad you visited some historical grounds in Boston, Massachusetts.
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Which I'm still not doing. Imagine like hard launching on this podcast. Actually, I would. That's so capitalist. It's so me.
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I would be like, I would actually, my friend once told me that I would hard launch with like a brand deal. And I was like, fuck you. Thank you. Do you have any ideas? Call me if you do. But what did I do? I don't know. I feel like I've been recovering from a hangover since 1995. So 1994, actually, technically when I was born.
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Well, you shouldn't have a bone to pick with me. You need a bone to pick with the community that told me it was good. But more on that later.
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And let's say the very lesbian power of Tom Holland and Zendaya. And don't forget, we have a bonus segment that drops every Thursday only on Wondery+. This week, we're talking about things we are very, very late to, but we love so much. So subscribe to Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts to check that out.
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Are you a hater first and a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, we're calling you in. This is a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me see this. Let me see this.
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Right. The stranger than fiction story of an aspiring actor in around like the 1970s in Los Angeles and a serial killer in the midst of a years-long murder spree. We're talking allegedly up to almost 130 murders committed, rapes and murders, actually, of multiple women. And their lives, they intersect when they're both cast on an episode of The Dating Game.
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This is Anna Kendrick's directorial debut. And I think we could leave it at that one and done. For the record, let me clear my name. Because I do, I proudly say I have bad taste. I do have bad taste. But in things that are at least fun, at least we're having fun. I, what's that tweet that's like, I said it was my favorite movie. I didn't say it was good. That's normally how I go.
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This is not my favorite movie, and it is also not good. But yet again, Netflix is never beating those pay-for-play motherfucking allegations. Because all of this talk around this movie, you know, it was not just recommended to me the minute I opened that little Netflix app, but I was hearing everyone talking, ooh, Woman of the Hour, ooh, Anna Kendrick. And I said, I love Anna Kendrick.
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If I'm going to do anything, I'm going to ride for who? Who? Oh, I thought you were going to kind of say it with your chest or something. No, I'm not going to. I'm not going to be a party to this. But yet again, I'm being told press play, press play. I do. And I have to apologize for making you press play as well. But there's no way. This was not my movie.
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Oh my God, all my like normie type friends or like maybe like, you know, first wave kind of feminism era friends were like, it's good. And I understand why that they said that. Yeah, now it all adds up. Respect though. I've been in LA too long.
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Wait, not you being like, and we're actually gonna do it live on podcast. I'm not gonna tell you. I'm not gonna tell you separately. Not you trying to...
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You're like, first of all, who cares? Not even noteworthy anymore. But I was going to say, I feel like the thing that first pissed me off with this movie was no one's hair was big enough. Don't you dare do a movie in the 70s and keep a flat head like that.
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Pissing me off. Two. Yeah. We got to talk about the wig budgets. It was kind of giving actually Bella in the third movie from Twilight, the murderer's wig. Yeah. And that like hairline I was struggling with. It was like an early season housewife. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Heard that. I also feel like too many people have faces that look like they know what TikTok is.
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You know what I mean? When you're watching a movie set in a time and it's like, oh, I'm there and you guys, we're in a moment. All of these actors have done the savage dance on TikTok. That's how I felt. I couldn't trust any of them with my life. So those things already set me off in general. I found the directing to be uninteresting. Nothing felt novel. Nothing felt really even consistent, too.
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Sorry, Anna. Let's keep you in front of the camera. And specifically, Anna, let's keep you in front of that mic. But yeah, I just was so... Oh, it was so dreadful. And I like really wanted to feel convinced of his charm, but I never of the murderous charm. Yeah. Like what?
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You know, I thought that they were trying to do a thing like, oh, he's I guess the juxtaposition of him and and the other two men on the dating show felt a little bit hitting us over the head.
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be up in my business I'm not calling you out I'm calling you in that's not what this is that's not what this is for okay wait I do need to go back for a second though which is because I'm distracting and I'm avoiding which what I do best um which is you saying one of the nicest weddings you've ever been to is such high praise considering you have been to 525,600 weddings
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You can get implants and work around with number two who likes his titties big. But I felt like the juxtaposition of that felt a little bit hitting us over the head. It felt a little bit too obvious in terms of the language, even though I get that we're in the 70s. So maybe for that time it worked. But then on top of it, I didn't find him not just charming, but I didn't find him attractive.
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So I was like, where is the draw here that's like trying to position him as this person who's like... you know, trapping these women and convincing them to, you know, come get photographed by him up in a desert. White girls don't go to the desert. No, I'm not getting into a car with any man. White girls don't run at night.
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There are simple things that you learn as a Black woman that you just don't do. But yeah, I just really felt like... I was unconvinced of him. I also, to kind of go back to what you were saying, I don't know if I want to call it tonal shift, but the shift in her character from being, yeah, she's down on her luck, but we want to fight for her. We want to believe her.
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And when the switch happens where she's sitting in the chair, scared, nervous, playing this role of a docile woman who's flirting with these men. And this is when she's on camera taping the show? Yeah. And then when she switches it up, it didn't feel like...
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oh I'm on her side and there are these fun stakes or like she had a convincing enough conversation with maybe the makeup artist or hair artist that makes her suddenly like tap into her feminism yeah it just felt like she got bored and then switched it up a little bit yeah yeah and I was kind of thinking like my sister you want to be an actress well then here's an acting here's some acting for you to do like she's this woman's been like oh I wish I could be an actor normal cast but I'm like here's a role of playing a woman who wants to fall in love on a dating show
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He's awoken the people to a true issue.
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He's awoken the people to a true issue.
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I know. I know. But they, as we speak right now, are inventing new luncheons for a Mona Singer to go to in Florida. Every day she's somewhere new eating something. It's like yesterday, no, today it was Michael Kors. Yesterday she was at Mar-a-Lago doing something at some luncheon. Shocking to no one. Sure.
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This is what happens. It's actually so crazy. Yeah. True story. So my best friend from childhood growing up, Molly. I remember so distinctly, I actually found this text like the other day where I texted her. This was like when we were 20 years old, I think. So 10 years ago. And I was like, oh my gosh, like you're my best friend. Like, wow. Like this is like, I just love you so much.
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And I'm like, wait, you're busier now than she ever was when she was on Roni, which is... She's booked. She's booked. She's busy. What can I say? But... We're like, you know, Bravo novices. We have two Bravo experts with us today.
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We're genuine learners and we love to learn about Bravo. Today with us, we have the hosts of Watch What Crappens, who are currently on tour across North America, brag, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam.
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You have to love hard to like be a hater a little bit. That's how I feel about it.
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Yes. Okay. Lover or hater of Bethany Frankel?
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Like, she's actually just consistent. Yeah. No, this is very key because I was listening to your guys' Roni reunion recap. And, like, the way that Ramona and Luann and all, like, the OG women can be so bad, but, like, in a camp way where you kind of just can't look away versus, like, the Brynn or the Erin where it's, like – Yes. And it should have been, like, pretty terrible people.
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Like you're so important to my life. And I can't wait to like I was like, I can't wait to live in New York and we're both achieving our dreams and all of this. And she's like, oh my God, yes. And you're going to be my kid's godmother. And I'm getting emotional even talking about it. And now literally our dreams are coming true. Did you find that screenshot? Yes, yes. Oh my God.
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You're also, like, not good on television. Like, you're not making good TV.
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Pick a struggle. Pick one. Pick one.
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That shook the table. That was powerful. That shook the table. Somebody write that down right now. Yes. No, that's going to be my first tattoo, actually. Okay. I'm switching franchises. Lover or hater of Kenya Moore?
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I can't help that when I come to this space, I'm living a life of straight girl, solemn. I don't know. What's the word? I'm so domestic. And you live this life of gay chaos. I'm literally healed now. What do you mean?
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Yeah. And that's key. We need someone who is like willing to say like the unsayable thing at dinner with the girls. You know, like the person who's like gonna like kind of get the ball rolling on the drama. Let's get started on talking some shit, shall we?
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And I sent it to her and I was like, oh my gosh, this is so crazy.
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What did she say to the cop? She's like, you are very poor and white. It's like, what? Oh, no, I'm saving that for later.
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We thought that was going to be the controversial question because her DUI drama is kind of up there as like one of the crazier housewives scandals. But you guys are the experts. Where do you think that ranks?
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Wow. You need to unhook yourself from capitalism.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a key delineation, I think. Speaking out of handcuffs, though, that's powerful. Skinny legend, oh my god. Well, it can do it all. Excuse me. She's not at that part in her Roni journey yet. She doesn't know. Tilda Swinton just opened for her for something? Yes, at her cabaret. Tilda Swinton.
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I actually am tearing up. Like it's so, yes. I mean, she had a baby and we love her baby and I am the godmother.
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That's very interesting to me because I've watched most of Atlanta. My dog's middle name is Lanithia because I love NeNe Leakes so much.
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My dog only follows three people on Instagram, me, NeNe, and Remy Ma because she's named after Remy Ma. But I think I'm watching Beverly Hills. I'm on season four, I think. And there's something about Lisa Vanderpump and Brandi Glanville and like Nini Cynthia to me where it's like someone.
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Like a kind of like alpha and beta friendship that I know immediately like will kind of sour eventually.
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Oh, yeah. Wow. Interesting. Oh, my goodness.
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Shocking. Well, no, I know because when I first started watching, I was like, oh, Luann is so like Marnie, Alice Williams from Girls. And someone's like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, I'm starting from the beginning. Like, I don't know. But the way that she in season one is like telling Bethany, you need to have your driver call me Countess.
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You haven't seen me laugh at the Morocco trip on New York Housewives, because I have cried many a time during that. Scary Island, anyone? I cried on this podcast recounting Scary Island.
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I feel like someone else has happened too where like they – like you go on the show and like trying to act like very like proper and then eventually you can't keep up the facade anymore because that – we can tell this is fake. Yeah. That's my problem honestly with the Roni reboot.
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It kind of feels like we're watching people acting a version of their life without like the real kind of like you have to be, you know – Yes. You have to go through ego death to be a real housewife. Mm-hmm.
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Thank you so much for telling me that. Thank you. You've really rocked the course of my day. Wow. We've got to follow a podcast from that one. Yeah, alone. My God. That is unreal. Yes. I wonder what you guys think of this.
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Are we kind of at an inflection point where a lot of the, or not a lot, but some of the franchises are being either like rebooted Roni or kind of retooled like Atlanta where it is like a mostly new cast? And why do you think that is?
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I was about to not be wholesome at all. I already know.
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Okay, so as two people who are early in their Bravo journey, so I've done Atlanta and New York and starting Beverly, like in, yes, early days of Beverly Hills. You've done Potomac.
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What should our next franchise slash any Bravo show be? I'm thinking I want to go from Beverly Hills into Pump Rules because I have to understand the Tom Sandoval stuff. He is so bizarre on Treaters right now. I must know more. Yeah, his lore.
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Word. I feel like I'm, like, talking to, like, two, like, expert matriarchs. No, literally. Like, telling me, like, this is the best wine that we have open tonight. It's been open, you know, it's from 1922. Like, oh, my God.
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He's awoken the people to a true issue.
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What can I say? I love Max. It's a recap series, if you will. I will always be on the front lines of some bull crap. I love the word bull crap. It's my new favorite word. I love it. Oh, that's bull crap. Anyway, speaking of bull crap. There is a social experiment airing right now, right this very moment, on Max via TLC, and it's called The Bald Ones. And it is a docu-series.
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Calling it a docu-series makes it sound so much more official. It is simply just a reality TV show. Correct. In the vein of like John and Kate Plus 8, basically. Or even NHG TV show, you know. Called The Baldwin. It's about Alec Baldwin and his wife, Hilaria. Dot, dot, you say your name like that. I'm like when Zoe Saldana says, oh, but like roles are ours. And it's about their family.
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Your version is like, oh, girl, delete that. Delete that. Delete it.
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And it is, it's actually shocking that he was legally allowed to start filming a reality TV show as like right before he went on trial for manslaughter and through the trial too. Is that not like disqualifying like legally? I don't know. I would have to assume, but I was going to ask, is it all out right now? No. Oh, okay. It drops weekly. So we have some anticipation.
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At this time, I've seen episode one. I'm going to watch episode two tonight. Okay. Because we're recording this like a little bit out of order this week. But it is one man against the world. That one man being Alec Baldwin. Yeah. Against the world, his wife, Hilaria. Hilaria. Hillary Thomas Baldwin. And there's seven children. Seven children and eight animals. So it is John and Kate plus eight.
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Plus 24. But it's like dark. It's like dark, but it's also like them trying to act like as if this is normal and not like severe image management, severe like we need money because we have so many children is shocking to watch. Where does it start? It starts with them leaving to go to the Hamptons for the summer. Right. And- they're trying to plan out what kid's going to go in what car.
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And some of this ends with Hilaria having all of the kids in her car and Alec having all the animals in his car. And he's like, I don't want to take any cats because I'm allergic to cats. Yeah. And I don't want to have the cats in the car. And she's like, totally. Puts all the animals in his car. Right. There's like a baby walking around like damn near putting their fingers in a light socket.
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Like there's a child on a countertop. Like there's two boys running, jumping on couches. Yeah. It's like the first scene of, what's it, Amy Adams movie? Dog? Night Bitch? It's like the first scene of Night Bitch. It's like, oh, someone is playing in your face. Yeah. You cut to like a PA holding one of the babies. It is shocking. What's also crazy is that so Alec Baldwin is in his 60s. Yeah.
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Hilaria Baldwin is 25 years younger than him. And there's this like amazing fiction as they're like kind of setting the scene, like explaining their relationship, where the biggest controversy that Hilaria Baldwin has faced is the age gap and that she's like with him for his money and the cachet of 30 Rock. Right. And not the fact that she fakes being Spanish.
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Oh, wow. ¿Dónde está la biblioteca?
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And not the fact that like she speaks with a Spanish accent constantly despite having grown up in Boston her entire life. Eventually they get to that and she's like, well, of course I speak in Spanish with my kids. And it's like, huh, interesting. They take the kids to get a haircut, like their summer haircuts. And Alec Baldwin is like, what haircut should I get?
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Because like the boys have like their haircuts picked out. They take the sons to do this. Okay. He's like, text our like oldest daughter, like their oldest daughter together, not Ireland. So their daughter is like 14, I think. They're like, text her to say what haircut should I get? And she sends her father a a photo of himself from 1985 when he did look hot. As you should.
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And he is so, his feelings are so hurt. It's like, I'm watching like elder abuse. No, but I would do that to my father. I know, but they're so mean to him. And he's like, all I want to do is like not go to prison and also like arrange like the refrigerator because he has OCD. It's wild. He walks around the house like he's haunting it. Also, were you a big 30 Rock person?
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Was that your... Moderately, yeah. Oh, okay. I watched it on Facebook, but I only understood like half of the jokes. Same. Yeah. And still, actually. I feel like I still pretend. I want to go back and watch. I mean, I... The funniest part about all of this is that famously, about 11 years ago, Alec Baldwin was on the cover of New York Magazine. And I think the cover line was, I give up.
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You seem like you would take French. You would think that, yeah. And I probably should have, I think. Just because I didn't learn any Spanish. It's so crazy to imagine going to high school language class and actually learning the language. That's how good your money is worth. I can't believe I went to private school and I took Spanish for eight years. I barely know any Spanish.
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And he wrote this whole essay, or he was like an ass told to, this whole thing about how he's like resigning from public life. Right. Because I think it was Anderson Cooper and some other like prominent gay New York City man called him homophobic. And he was like, I'm sick of, he basically said, I'm sick of you guys catching me out.
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I did not say the F word when I was fighting with someone for a parking spot, or I was fighting with a photographer. And yes, you have a video of me calling my daughter like a spoiled rat. Yes, yes. Like all of these awful things. But you know, the real perpetrator in me calling my daughter like a fat cow was actually Harvey Levin because TMZ shouldn't have ran it.
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And it's like, he did all of this and said, I'm never going to do anything public. I'm never speaking to a magazine about my life again. Yeah. Only, listen, daycare is expensive. And now he's out of retirement. Now he's on TLC, baby. He said, that was crazy to me. Anyway, so yeah. He said, I'm not defined by my past. We're back. Ah, she's on trial for manslaughter. I didn't know that was possible.
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I'm going to say you should watch. Okay.
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Everyone says I'm crazy for loving it, but I can't get enough. Oh, God.
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I am so excited to go home and maybe start watching Real Housewives of Miami.
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Ethel Kane is a big Tate McRae stan. Absolutely. Two hands. Wow. Interesting. Okay. That sells me on it. And let me say this. Mark my words.
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Hilaria Baldwin is trying to make, don't start laughing after I say her name, girl. She's trying to make her kids into the Kardashians. She wants to make the Baldwinitos into the Kardashians. I'm going to say no, although she has sons. So, you know, they're not as ambitious. Jesus.
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It was about to be something so annoying. And it was like you and like. I wonder if you can guess. What did I do but in Spanish? It's you and Cary Grant's granddaughter doing singing in the rain with original props from the original set. What does that have to do with Spanish class? It has to do with being a NEPA baby. I know that. Okay.
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Oh. And I got a C for obvious reasons. That's just called growing up a girl of a certain time.
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I played Bella and I played Edward. Did you see the clip of Travis? No. What's the other Kelsey brother's name? Jason? I think it is Jason. Anyway, him being like, oh, that guy, the werewolf in Twilight. He was such a loser. He was never going to be into her. What? Have you seen this clip? Oh, wait. Yes. And Travis is so over it. No, it's not. It's his wife. It's Jason Kelsey's wife.
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They should almost come on the show. Yeah.
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We should talk Twilight with Travis and Jason. What are we talking about this week? We're going to be talking about Pop Girl, State of the Union. Anyone? I listened to so much Tate McRae to prepare for this. You're welcome. And we're also going to be talking about a little, I will say, horror program called The Baldwins.
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You act like you really clock in when you don't even know where Luann goes. I was smoking a cigarette because I was stressed out. So hold on. Let me say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions?
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We actually do because too many of your people think they're my people and it's starting to mess me up a little bit. You know what? I did watch Kissing Jessica Stein over the weekend. Have you ever seen it? Of course. Of course you have. Of course. Yes. You've seen my wrist? How many silver rings do I have to ask you where? Jesus. Oh my gosh. But I was like, wait, this is like low-key kind of me.
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You don't really have a white boy of the week. You have like a Danny DeVito.
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Yeah. Yeah. So I'm surprised you say that. This is how up the new girls are.
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up i got a text from my dad oh my god 70 years old at four o'clock in the afternoon yesterday and he said do you listen to tate mccray are you serious swear to god i will show you the text i know i was gonna i wanted to see your organic reaction i was in the podcast and i know and i i was like i i need to know more but i simply have to watch the oscars right now
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Oh, yeah. I saw that too. I think she's on SNL. When I was walking here. Also, who's in Times Square? Tate McRae. I was going to say like an off-brand Sesame Street character. That too. Many such cases. Okay. I need to talk about Tate McRae. I love that song Revolving Door. New album. Hey. Hey. What is it called? The album? Yeah. So close to what? Yeah, that sounds Gen Z to me. Yeah, yeah.
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But Revolving Door, I love. And the, oh my gosh, what's her name? Flo Millie song, I also love. And Two Hands, let's talk about that. And you know the song with Kid LAROI? I don't actually. Well, I like that one too. The thing about Kid LAROI though is that it sounds too much like Kendall Roy, A. And B, every time I hear a Kid LAROI verse, I'm like, I should be hearing Justin DeVavious Bieber.
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Like that would so be like my trajectory if I like dated a woman. I'd be like, uh, I gotta go home.
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Yeah. A lot of her songs give me like pussycat dolls. They give me a lot of kind of like Nelly Furtado, but in a way that I'm not going to hate on it. I like that someone wants to be a pop star, especially in an age where it's like, I love Billie Eilish, but like she's like not a pop girl, you know? Yeah. You know, feel the same way about Chapel Rome.
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She's pushing against the boundaries of like what it means for her artistry. Yeah. By like being too like, you know, in the news, in the scene in some ways. Yeah. Yeah. It means Selena Gomez hates being a pop star, unfortunately makes excellent pop music. New release with Gracie Abrams. Not, Gracie Abrams. She's just doing her own thing. Let her just do her own stuff in the corner.
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She's reheating Taylor Swift's oats.
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It's like, this is just one like, Long hangouts. And you would hate a long hangout. You get overstimulated after an hour. I know. I'd be like, I actually need to go nonverbal and just be on my phone for a little bit. That's why you like movies so damn much. Because it's peace and quiet. It really is. It's like, there's no expectation. I'm just going to enjoy.
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Yeah. But also what you have to remember is that like when Charli XCX started, she was not, you know, so dissimilar, but she was still an earlier version of herself. I think a lot of the stuff like, oh, she's like rebranding. It's like, that's cool growing up. That's cool. Like you became famous from TikTok at 20.
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And maybe, I don't know, I feel like people are too like dismissive of like, you didn't used to want to be this. Well, yeah, because when I'm 19, I don't really know what I wanted. I wanted to work in media. And look at us now. Yeah. Honestly, still kind of work in the media. Yeah, but media has a different medium. Adjacent, yeah. But I can give a lot of grace to people being like, you know.
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And that's said from a true Miley Cyrus fan. Because if we learn anything. Sure is. You can pivot as many times as you want, queen. And we can still be pivoting. Miley Cyrus, who famously every age at once, as I always say, that's how she is 45. She was on a TV series for many years and then pivoted from that to a music career. I mean, many such cases. JLo trying to do the same thing still.
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Still in the process. But yeah, I like Addison Rae. I thought her Rolling Stone cover was like fun. Why not? You know, why not?
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Early, some might say. But I think she is, you know, a kind of test case for what we're talking about, where it's like when it's funny that like TikTok is the way that seasoned established artists have to go to like make something become a hit. And these are like more organic talents who have used TikTok even before they had a real artistic ambition. Yeah. Which is interesting.
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Do you feel that kind of like if Tate McRae always gets like the Britney Spears comparison, then Addison Rae is getting what, the Lana comparison? Who do you like? Well, I actually think that she's getting the Britney treatment. Addison is? Addison, yeah. Oh, okay.
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You're joking. She was born in 2003. That's why when her choreographer said she'd never seen the Crazy in Love music video, I was like, oh, okay. Now she's making a case for why she hadn't seen it.
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I'm just going to give myself over to Nicole Kidman. And it's called To Die For or Birth. Or separate wives or baby girl or, or, or. Yeah. No, this is my wholesome update. Yeah. Bitch, I'm a mother. No drama. Oh, just say it normally. I'm a godmother. I'm a godmother. I'm a godmother. Congratulations. Thank you. That's major. It really is. It's really major. And I am so honored.
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What do you think about Tate McRae doing that, like, high kick into, like, back bend?
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Yeah, it also kind of reminds me of Normani at that one VMAs, I think. I was there. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, where she was doing Motivation live. And it was like, this is so, it's dancey, but it's very gymnastics. It's very my cousin bringing me into the backyard and saying, I'm about to do this trick. Can you watch? That's what it's kind of giving.
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I feel that a little bit, more than a little bit of that from Tate McRae.
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Yeah, she gives like white girl that like wears Mac down. That's what she gives me. Yes, yes, yes. That being said, I know what sucks for me. Say it. I'm going to listen to Revolving Door. I love that song. I love it. Got my two hands on me. Okay. Cut. Please. My God. We're going to be here all day.
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But we also have to talk about an underrated part of this is that Matt Gaetz, the Florida former congressman who was caught paying like an underage woman for sex. Oh, shit. And like that all came out at like the end of last year. He... tweeted something about like, oh, like the woke left is like reacting to Trump. Like this is like why they're having Kendrick Lamar perform in this halftime show.
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First of all, halftime show was booked before the election, obviously. Second, everyone being like, hey, Matt, I heard you like him young.
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But you know who I was thinking of speaking of white boys? That one boy from the Kamala rally in Atlanta. Yes. I hope he's well.
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I hope he was there last night. I hope he was living. Speaking of, this is like kind of separate, but I have to discuss it. I'm sorry. The Eagles sexy ass coach. I said Mariso Umansky. So let's wake that conversation up, shall we? Like Kyle Richards, husband from Beverly Hills Housewives. He was so hot. I've never seen a young coach before.
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It literally is America's Next Top Model. And they're winning. You're reviewed by a board of your peers.
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And there's a moment where she's like, go ahead, to him. And I was like, oh, I've been there. But I'll post the video. I posted it a million times before. But it's like, that is actually the sexiest moment. anyone has ever looked. Like titties out, this like little like white kind of tank, necklaces, high-waisted pants, arms out, beard connecting, hair luscious. Spirit connecting is so good.
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My God. No, he fully went to Turkey and got... But I'm like, how did she find the time?
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For what? For your sister. Tree pain, Christ. Yes. She was lacing up to go out there herself. She said, this is a woman's work. I'm tired of it. She was embarrassed. You know, she was on the sidelines about to go in. She was about to run out on the field herself. She was going to be the ball. Like, toss me around.
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But... You know what I'm going to say. I know what you're going to say. Bear with me here. Taylor Swift loses at the Grammys. Travis Kelsey loses at the Super Bowl. Trump tweets about it all. All this hatred directed toward Taylor Swift. And then you know what's going to happen? Reputation TV, perfect launch. TV Taylor's version.
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I'm sorry. Her looking directly at the camera being like, they're booing me?
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I'm sorry. I feel it in my bones. I'm getting a delicate Taylor's version. Yeah. This is for the best.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our healthcare system.
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You know I love a magazine, girl. I know you do. I am a magazine girl. Grew up reading them.
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So write for them. That's right. I read the holy text. The Bible. Okay, today we are so excited to welcome Editor-in-Chief Willa Bennett. Willa Bennett is an ASME winning journalist, the Editor-in-Chief of Cosmopolitan in 17, and the only person who could pull me out of cover story retirement. Period. That's the biggest flex, actually.
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Oh, no, no. I was like, I'm tired of cover stories. It's like too much work. And then I get a little call. No, a text. I get a text from Willa. Yes. I was like, who is this? I was like, I don't know. How did you have my number? Peyton. That's what friends are for. And that's a team effort. Okay. Wait, wait.
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Do you, like, do, like, a big plan for Valentine's Day? Or are you, like, oh, let's, like, it's, you know, it's just another day for us. Like, let's just do whatever we want.
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Come on, spaghetti. Simple pleasures. I had spaghetti last night. Spaghetti meatballs? Hell yeah. So we want to talk about Cosmo's love issue, which is also your first issue. Print issue as editor-in-chief. It's true. How does it feel?
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And this was the story with Macaulay Culkin and Brenda Song. And it's like the first kind of public thing they've ever done together in print, for sure. And they'd only done two other appearances, which was very cool.
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They are like one of those like top three couples that everyone's like, wait, they're together.
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I think it was trusting Willow's vision. Also wanting to work with someone who was trying something different. I feel like I'd never... When I thought about Cosmo, I didn't think about a couple that is kind of this internet-y and this online. But also, as we talked about too, it's like the...
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nostalgia and also like the pure like loveliness of their relationship how they're truly like sitting down complimenting each other in ways that are not they're just like observable they aren't just so like oh yeah you look great today oh so do you and it really felt authentic and then also it's like when would I have had another chance to write a story like this yeah like this would not be a cover of time or GQ even and so it just felt like what a unique perspective for Cosmo to take
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And I also think that there's something so sweet about Kieran and Mac Culkin being, like, such, like, dads.
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Like, I mean, they're both working, obviously, but, like, they, like, love their families and love talking about their families. And that kind of just... Like I said in the story, my grunge heart grew three sizes. And you know that says a lot.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think you hit upon something really key, which is that, like, especially online, every couple is like a horror story. Yeah. Everything is like a 20-part TikTok about, like, oh, my God, you won't believe what happened on this crazy date. And so kind of elevating that.
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goals or like kind of something that feels like dreamy and lovely feels very different, especially in this time, political climate, everything.
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Well, but let's talk about how we got there. So watching the Super Bowl and the Chiefs lose. Spoiler alert. And the Eagles win. And who's from Philadelphia? Teddy Pendergrass. So I said, oh, OK. So they're going to put on a little like Philadelphia love. Bradley Cooper. Bradley Cooper getting his life. Oh, my God. Yeah. Talk about Jackson Maine lived to see that day.
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Tell us about how Cosmo has this historical reputation of being a sex magazine for women. And how does that legacy influence how you see the magazine, the brand moving today?
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Yeah. Wow. Does it ever feel crazy? You're like, oh my gosh, I'm like in control of like truly a legacy brand. Like that's so cool.
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Yeah. I think today, especially, it's, like, legacy media feels very, like, serious and like uptight or like bad reputation. But I think it's like so exciting that you're our age and like being able to take over this brand and really push it in a great direction. Oh my God. I'm like, ugh, I'm like your Cliff Chalamet right now.
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But I was like, oh, I'll celebrate the Philadelphia man that I love and respect and has a home in my heart. Mm hmm.
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I know, but that still makes me mad.
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Famously on Twitter. Famously always online.
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I mean, you could honestly tell from day one when they were in those matching outfits. True. And then Serena was like, oh, you know, I don't know. I don't know. And it's like everything that she like had a problem with early on was just like his familiarity. How they were truly immediately so much alike.
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Like I think everyone loves a story of someone who like kind of seem like opposites attract, but then like making it work, like watching them kind of come apart and then come back together was really sweet. Also Serena's anger I thought was very righteous and really like cathartic to watch. And then Cordell, I mean, how can you hate a man who's like, I just want to do, was it Cheez-Its? Yeah.
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And also, I'm sorry, what's that smell? It smells like bitch in here.
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What about challengers? Is that kind of polyamory or no?
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At least I'm, like, up front with it. You are, like, invisible ink, 50 paragraphs in a row.
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And you? I love holding something in my hand. I love working. I don't want to write a book, but I love holding something in my hands and being like, oh my gosh, like that's so crazy. Like this is like physically in the world. And like, that's so special. Hunter has all her coverage. Yeah.
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Yeah, there are too many. It got too expensive. At one point, I wasn't even making money. I was just spending it all on the framing. Shut up, Framebridge. But thank you so much for being here. Where can people find you? Instagram. Willa H. Bennett, baby. And I'm going to say Cosmo, too. And 17. Yeah, Cosmo 70. 70 is coming out.
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Big weekend for LA haters from the haters who live in LA. Hey, representation matters. Haters born and raised in LA. All right. Bad weekend for biracials though. So I don't know where that leaves you.
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This afternoon I was hungry and I went to McDonald's and I got a large fry, extra salt. That did happen, very much so. But because of the queen of Pakistan, Onaysia. Her impact, her influence. Robinson, yes. This is a woman. Are you familiar? This is a woman.
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women's stories matter. They just matter. This is a woman who threw some kind of like, what is it called? Fish tanking? Catfishing. Catfishing. Fish tanking. Girl, I don't know. She's so old. Threw some type of catfishing. This woman thought she was going to marry a man. Happens to the best of us. Lives in Pakistan. And his mother was like, no. Happens to the best of us.
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Locked her out of the house. Go ahead and say it. Happens to the best of us. Not yet, actually. I'll keep you posted on that one. And so now this woman who is like 32 or 33 from Brooklyn, definitely from Brooklyn with that accent, with that thick Brooklyn accent, is now just like hanging out in Pakistan, like trying to get home. But not trying to get home, actually. Not trying to get home.
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Trying to take over. And that's the queen of Pakistan on TikTok and on Twitter. And, okay, there are many videos of her going around.
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She held a press conference asking for $100,000 to, quote, rebuild the country. And then she said, I need 20K this week in my pockets in cash.
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Then there was a video of her dancing like Mary J. Kind of like bent over, leaned over to the side, like on one foot, kind of going back and forth.
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That's a Mary J. I played it in the Greek room. Oh. Oh, you weren't paying attention. Nope. But that's a Mary J. dance. And then what else? Oh, yes. The video of her ordering a large fry with extra salt at McDonald's. And then after her press conference, she's like, right now, I'm going to go mind my fucking business. Thank you very much. Have a nice day. Clear the way. The clear the way.
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And also one of the press conferences, people are kind of like milling about. It's fully outside. There's like a bunch of cameras and like some people. And she's like, shh, shh. To the streets. That is so me.
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You haven't even seen her resume. You haven't even seen what she's done there.
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You know a tube of mixed chicks at Target hates to see him coming.
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I'd rather Queen Oneija versus every geriatric person. I saw a tweet over the weekend that was like, the U.S. Congress is not an old folks home. It's actually hospice care.
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Okay, so you need to clue me in on this because I don't even know what show it is, but I know that I've watched that video in three different languages.
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But what we need to discuss is like, he's not just like watching her cheat on him. It's like he's over here on one side of the beach and he's watching this couple in bed. They're kind of like kissing in bed.
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Oh my God, like the drums. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Like the drums. Well, the bongos, the Cardi B, Magnus Slyan song. Right. Came and went. So then he's watching it and he like pulls up his shorts really high. Just like out of stress and anxiety, Montoya. I was like, oh my gosh. That's a true lover.
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I don't know that part. Oh, okay.
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He laces himself up. He said, oh, we're taking off. Oh, my God. He runs across. And it's, like, not set up for that. Like, the cameras can only go so far. The camera's, like, chasing him. And he's being chased by the woman. And it's just, like, it's so crazy. He literally speeds Tom Cruise running on the beach.
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What are we talking about this week? This week we're talking about the queen of Pakistan, Oneisha Robinson. If that name means nothing to you now, you're about to learn. And Montoya. Montoya? Montoya, por favor! And other internet ephemera.
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I was like, do they show this on TV? Yeah, like, is that allowed? It felt like, it was like more than I've ever seen, like, on any, like, Love Island.
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Yeah, sure. But no, they're like, it's like penetration. Yeah.
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not he feels it the ground is shaking they were fucking hard they were capital f fucking down he was in okay this is a family podcast sorry yo yeah i know my dad listens that's jesus christ oh so then he gets there he makes it to like the villa where all of us is going down and there are people outside being like no don't like they all know what's going on in that house they all know and they're trying butt naked well they're in the pool that's how they that's how they walk
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on those shows in the pool like you're always in a swimsuit anyway so then they're like no stop and he's like I gotta see I gotta see I gotta go in I gotta go in and then he's like screaming just liar
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Also, I watched it twice in Spanish. Just, you know, feeling what I could feel, seeing what I can see. And then I watched it with the subtitles. And listen, meaning didn't change at all. Nope. What a visceral performance. And better editing than Wicked. And now let's wake that up. Oscars. I, wow. This is television.
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All right, I watched a little game called football last night. Yeah, I was with you. Yeah, a little running the ball, a little catch, a little pass, a little field goal, a little hike. Get to it. Sounded like me over there, long-winded as hell. But you know about football. Excuse me, Miss Football. What do they call it? Football player? Football player? Yep.
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So in the Super Bowl, it was the Kansas City Chiefs who could have made history by winning the first consecutive Super Bowl three times in a row. The first team to win three consecutive Super Bowls. That's what I mean. Versus the Philadelphia Eagles, which I know about from Silver Linings Playbook. I've never heard of it. And Bradley Cooper having a Philadelphia Philly cheesesteak cart somewhere.
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We both have dads from Philly. Oh, gosh. Two Nepo babies together. Okay, yeah, totally. It tracks everything. Okay, so we watched together.
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And we watched the whole game together. Yeah. Like, I had it all until, you know, after the second half. I was like, okay, well, it's time to put on Usher. But I kept checking in.
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I was like, oh, my gosh. And, I mean, I know the whole thing about Kansas City and the Chiefs is that they, like, in the last, I don't know, 10 minutes of every game – Like we'll just randomly win somehow. But we have to go back to, I'm sorry, even before the game started with Trump going to the game and Patrick Mahomes, who is most likely MAGA. For sure. Definitely not disputing that he's MAGA.
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Wife definitely is. Oh, Brittany Mahomes.
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Oh, Travis Kelsey was like, if the president comes, it's a big honor. It's an honor if the president comes to any game. I was like... Patrick Mahomes said that too. Like, oh, they'll have the greatest leader in the nation or something like that. Okay, but Patrick Mahomes voted for Trump if he voted at all. Meanwhile, Travis Kelsey, this is the man who berates your girlfriend at every turn.
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I said, oh, yuck. Yeah. It smells like bitch in here.
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No, I mean, I think so, actually. I guess the part, I mean, of course, like, you know, we feel how we feel. But siding with someone who, like, has badmouthed your girlfriend and, like, put her up to all of this abuse online. That's like so insane to me.
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No, I know. But outside of like the actual politics of it all. That's so crazy. And also I feel like undermines the whole allure of like their romance, which is like, oh, she's like lost her mind over all these like art boys. And here's like a jock. And like they're supposed to be honorable.
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That's too much. That's too. Well, but just him. For him. For him. I'm like an exception.
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You can see how handsome he is from bird's eye view from the sky cam. That's how handsome he is. And, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, well, what else could the Chiefs have done when faced with a great beauty? Yeah. I mean, they played them last Super Bowl and all. Well, it was like two years. But that, you know, he hadn't grown into himself yet.
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I saw people tweeting about her, how she was happy today.
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Yes. Yes. My sister. My Shayla. Queen. OK, now the halftime show, Miss Los Angeles, Miss Los Angeles Pride.
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I do want to get back to Kendrick Lamar interrogating your patients. Yeah, he did that for me. That's what you were thinking. Interesting. He said, it's going to test Peyton. When I watched it last night, I was like, okay, I like this. And then I was thinking about it overnight and I was like, maybe I didn't like it so much. But then I rewatched it this afternoon and I was like, no, I do like it.
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I think that what you're saying is true. There was like a weird kind of pacing issue where there's too much space in between songs where we're so used to every other Super Bowl. Like, hello, Rihanna was so doing this. Usher, of course, was doing this. There's just so much material that's like moving, moving, moving, moving, moving. Yeah. And Kendrick's was a lot more like hurry up and wait.
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But I did like the way that I felt like – it kind of reminded me of The Weeknd show where it's like the staging was pretty dynamic in that what is usually just like one big stage or like maybe two big stages, it felt like he was making use of the space in a really compelling way. And, you know, the tic-tac-toe board I thought was like cool.
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The part that lost me was like the camera moving between like the four corners of the X.
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Like that, I can see how as someone who's in the stadium, it might not work for you. But why do I care what someone in the stadium thinks? I'm not going to a football game. I don't have anything in common with those people. We might. Nike flies out next time.
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Speaking of dads, why did my dad text me right after the halftime show? SZA is a really good singer. Well, because the mic was off. And I stand with her on that. I think people sing live too much. I think it's too hard, especially on a stage like that where there's so many elements and she's, you know, also trying to like keep the jeans up. Like, I'm sorry, level of pants up.
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Like, it's just, it's, I, why, why even take the risk? And she sounded like, it wasn't just like, you know, the album version. She sounded good. It sounded good. And I thought she, whatever.
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The group choreography behind Kendrick where it's like an army of people coming behind him to find Drake. I thought that was fun. The Americana stuff, I'm like... I'm over it.
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And I'll stand by it. And you know, sorry, excuse me. I love Teddy Pendergrass. I know you do. That's my man. Talk about my man, my man, my man. That's him. And I knew every word. And I was like, oh, and went over there, that one on the left. Yes, please punch it on her because that is me. That's my sister right there.
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Well, yeah, because of course the album starts if you take out American Requiem and it starts at Two Most Wanted.
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No, but she is kind of a... She used to... Well, she says that she used to work on the pole.
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For a second. It reminded me of like the dance you choreographed to perform for your cousins on the fireplace. That's what it was giving.
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It is so like, how much of a dog do you have to be to have haters and four quadrants? Haters everywhere you go, everywhere you turn, every neighborhood. Everywhere you look. Like, oh my God, that was so funny and so cruel. And the last we heard from Drake, he had, what was that?
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ridiculous hoodie with the bullet holes and smoke coming out of it which listen he's the corniest man alive but that did make me laugh a lot no he's a theater kid like clearly and it's so funny to think about this all started when drake push-ups drop drop drop and it's like wow and look what happened five great weeks and a super bowl halftime show
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Hunter said, so you want to fuck him? And we're kind of, and that's how we pivot to the three women.
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Carrie Coon monologue, I hear she has a great one in Leftovers. I got a lot of watching to do. Many such cases. And you got a lot of sub-sac writing to do, because I would read that too, actually. But I loved that performance, and I loved the feeling that I got, which was like, yeah, they're actually all... kind of pieces of shit white woman in this very distinct way.
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And even Carrie Coon, who you find yourself siding with for a second as like, you know, the one being real. At the end of the day, like she also fucking sucks. And this friendship is like exactly what someone like her needs to survive on. Like this is actually what works for her. She's like comfortable in the chaos and the like aloof dynamic that they've created within each other.
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Which is, I mean, again, as someone who's done the artist way. I can't relate to that. We're going deep over here. But I... We're just going to go deep one day. She's in the kiddie pool, but we're going to dive her in. We need a supercar of you plugging the artist's way.
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First timer. I will say most of our, what, 48 hours are spent inside a Hyatt Regency, so it's like we can't give of a full evaluation of Chicago. I was looking for a coffee shop, like mom and pop, something. There's only like four Starbucks in the vicinity of where we were staying. I finally found one. It was like a hybrid of a hair salon and a coffee shop. That's a warning sign, by the way.
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Yeah. And, you know, I was thinking about who my favorite was of the group because originally it was Carrie. And at the end of the day, I'm with Leslie Bob. Yeah.
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Leslie Bob, Leslie Bob, as we call her in the community. I love and I said this about you. I'm the Leslie Bob of every friend.
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You're like, so it wasn't like that serious. We're just talking shit. Like, relax. Like, what the fuck? We're just sharing notes like this isn't actually like we're bringing people to the table. Right.
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And what a note to end on. Lovers lost. Haters lost the ambis and lovers lost at the White Lotus because... That joint death of forehead and teeth. I always forget their names. Amy Lou Wood and Walter Goggins. It's funny that you say forehead and teeth and it could be either way. Whose teeth? Me. Oh, because you're a tooth gem. I never wore my retainers. No.
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But I... The scene of them and the dramatic lighting and shot of her running into his arms, I said, that's for real lovers. Love does win, and this is an example of it. I think that it was a nice closer to also the kind of poetic and incredibly toxic relationship dynamic that they had.
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You know, girls with big hearts, sometimes you got to close them actually in order to survive.
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I feel like you didn't know that man. All tea, no shade. Like, oh, the dad. All this vengeance for a father figure who probably. Have you seen fathers these days? Have you seen what dads are up to?
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Probably was better off. I don't know. Men don't think things through.
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I thought it was like intrigue. I get there. First of all, they were closed on Monday. I finally go on Tuesday. And I'm like, oh, is this a coffee shop or just a hair salon? They're like, oh, yeah, it's both. Like, we do both, girl. And then I said, okay, well, how do I get a cup of coffee? And they're like, oh, the barista's running late. I don't know when she's going to be here.
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Yeah. And Zion is hot. Yeah. Too pretty to me. You know, I like a man with four headlines.
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That too. Yeah. It's like lesbians, women, or Walter Goggins and nothing in between. Fuck. for me. That's my love language. That's my sexuality.
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What do you mean you think Belinda turned into Tanya? What do you mean? Okay, wait. I do have to ask to close out. Who do we want to see on the next season and where should the next destination be?
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Okay. Work. I actually really want to see them in a city. I want to see them in like Portugal or Berlin. I want to see like a bunch of rich people in Berghain, like navigating what that looks like. I want to see something like a little bit less tropical. Rich people go to cities too.
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I feel like I want, after this season especially, I want more friendship stuff. I want like Marnie Shosh. I need a Marnie. I need a Shosh involved. That's what I need. Or, I don't know. You said this name earlier. Now I'm like, wait. What if Chet Hanks got his little ass on? I watched one episode of that new show he's on on Netflix.
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Not the barista running late. It was 10 a.m. Was it a white hair salon? Black. Of course it was black.
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Crazy man, talented actor. Many such cases. Yeah, yeah. Only that. That's the only case. A crazy man, talented actor. That's it.
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We listened and we learned. Okay. So we were going through the comments on Spotify, which by the way, love the comment feature on Spotify. And we saw a few requests that said, Peyton Hunter, please watch Temptation Island and report back. It's kind of like the come to Brazil of reality TV. Come to Temptation Island. Absolutely. And we visited. I visited. Hunter's on her way to visiting.
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Her flight was delayed. But... Wow. Spoiler alerts ahead, even though I think it's been out for a minute, but, you know, just in case. Set the scene for me. Okay. What will I encounter? Oh, what won't you encounter, honestly, in this place? Quick history. Originally, this show aired on Fox in 2001.
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I think it ran for about three seasons, and now it got picked back up, and it's on Netflix starting this year, 2025.
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Temptation Island follows couples facing relationship challenges who travel to a tropical paradise separated from each other to live with a group of singles of the opposite sex and test the strength of their relationships, ultimately deciding whether to stay together or explore new connections. So basically White Lotus. Right. And just so you know, everyone explores new connections.
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There's no option on the table to not explore new connections except for one girl who does bring a, hey, Bible with her. You brought a Bible to Temptation Island.
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And I ask thee above us the hate in her heart if it can be quelled for once. End call. I'll be right back. The moment I locked into this show was when I saw a line of girls in red bikinis. They had little robes over. All at the same time, opened their robes. One girl walks over, looks to camera and says, my guilty pleasure, sucking dick.
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I said, oh, you're the realest bitch that's ever... And that is true in the show. She followed suit on that. Like, she really... What? Her guilty pleasure is sucking and fucking.
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You've brought the Bible here with you today. Wow. That's sacred text there. But that is what made me say this is the show for me. Just a little bit more set up. There are, I think about For couples. And when I tell you every single couple, they describe to the host who's like some guy named Mark who runs, he does the, what's that traveling show where they sell trinkets? Amazing Race? Shut up.
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Nobody has a job in Chicago? Are people unemployed in Chicago? What's going on? Again, we might have been in a weird area, and the one time we left, which was on that highway-
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The Antique Roadshow. He's a host of Antique Roadshow and also Temptation Island. What did she say? Antique Roadshow?
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This was information that was clearly passed to me because I'm stuttering as I say antique road show. I thought that was like all one word. Antique road show? Antique road show. You're not familiar? And so it's truly some old guy named Mark. Shout out to him, I guess.
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And they're talking about their relationships and the couples are saying, yeah, so like we had to work through some career stuff and he cheated. Yeah, you know, we have to figure out where we're going to live and how we're going to work together. And he cheated. It's like, so there's a common denominator. And I'm going to say it's going to be men. It is men. Yeah. Let's say men. Yeah.
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And they said, to work on our problems, I'm going to go to this little town where you can also, every week they check in, or maybe every day, I don't know how often it's filmed, and they see what their partners are up to.
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And, you know, I'm curious as a woman of God to another woman of God, there is a character in this because that's what he is, a character who is giving this woman like an oily massage, talking about his values and non-negotiables. And he does say, like, you have to be Christian. You have to be a woman of faith for sure. But you also have to be open to threesomes.
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There's also just many men that cheat in the church, so I guess there's also. Oof. Yeah. Oh, wow. You took it there. I watched Real Housewives of the Potomac. I heard. I heard. Shout out to Giselle. It's really just, I can't wait. We have to come back to this eventually.
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I haven't finished, by the way, so I know that they have the option at the end to decide if they want to reconnect or leave together after watching, simply, it's a torture chamber for the women because they're just watching their man. Well, many such cases.
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I would say like average is around a year. There's one couple that's been together for about three years. And they're the only ones that are mildly respecting each other. So if you went on this show, would you be like, want to explore a new connection? Or would you be like... If I'm going on that show, I'm cheating. Yeah, obviously. I'm getting ran through, in fact.
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In fact, I'm looking at these women being like, get up, girl. Go ride that dick into the sunset. It's pissing me off watching all these men like dry hump all over. Not even dry hump. I'm at my most like Chloe Bailey, like cheat back. Get your lick back, please. Like... Hello, sorry. Ladies of Temptation Island, if you're still in line to fuck, please God do.
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Like, I'm like, don't let these men get over you. It's really, it's unbearable. I will say there are some beautiful lines and I'm watching the show being like, oh, AI can never write this. When this, the ugliest man in the world... Tall and ugly. Many such cases, by the way. Don't get got, girls. If I'm gonna date a man, it's like, I like you where I can see you. Right in my line of vision.
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Short king, Tom Holland. Anyway, he says, shout out to the short kings. There's a time and place for you, but this ain't it. And it's like this crazy bar moment. And I'm like,
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There is a time and place for short people. I know that.
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Beautiful, actually. Okay, tell me about this guitar moment. Grant is, have you heard of the devil? Right, so that's Grant. That's Grant on Temptation Island. Just kind of the worst man in the world. White, of course. And also mid, of course.
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Yes. He's like, we just got back from Chicago, Peyton. Wow. So Grant cheats on his partner who, like, loves him for some reason. Yeah. And like not just casually cheats, like he dicks this girl down and then he decides that he wants to be open to new connections right after cheating and he regrets everything.
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I'm saying that. I know. I know. It's a drunk old fuck. But then when he decides to have this conversation with the girl he's cheating with, they cut to him strumming a guitar. And he's just like, isn't it crazy when life comes at you? It's like the same kind of lyrics like that Britney Broski song. It's like the same kind of. I wouldn't know. Sarah made me listen. It was pretty unbearable.
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But it's very Love Island, very Couple Falls Out, very Sunset. What's that show called?
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It's very that music. And he's singing about what he's about to tell her. And she comes over. She's like, hey, what's up? He finishes the chorus. He's like, I'm not done yet. He doesn't speak to her until he's done playing his song. And then turns around and puts the guitar. He's like, we should talk.
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Hot Child in the City, great episode. I know, bring back a politician who just likes piss play, like, at this point. And a sexy one at that. Fine as fuck, I should have stepped up with it. Carrie didn't fuck. Anyway, but these people do. So I guess if I had to compare how it ranks in, you know, we're like an ultimatum, a... Lesbian ultimatum.
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That was an amazing show. Oh, my God, that was an amazing show. I know. Bring it back and let me host. Okay, who's that redhead? That straight redhead. You're not equipped for all that. Oh, is she on the Reba McEntire show? I think she was. Probably. Why do you say it like that? What, you don't like Reba? I do. A single mom who works two jobs. Who loves her kids and never stops.
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That was also epic. Ooh, Hunter's biracial side came out. She didn't know how to finish.
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God forbid I try to be professional. Well, be unprofessional and start watching Temptation Island so we can talk about it more. It's really, thank you to whoever asked us to press play on it. I would say it's like number two for me behind Love is Blind before this most recent season. It's top tier television. And I'm scared for the straight community. Sending you love, sending you hope.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our healthcare system.
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I love, I almost said I love when white women turn black, but maybe that's true. When they do it like that, when you can carry it, when you can hold the weight on your shoulders. Yeah, go ahead.
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Yeah. It's like either like she's back to black or like she's fucking again. And I don't know if it's Ethan Slater. I mean, from the sounds of this, probably not.
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I mean, I feel like I remember where I was when she dropped. Was it Thank U, Next? When she did that surprise album? I was at a party and Michael and I stepped outside, got into a hammock. We were high. And we were like, Ariana's so tapped in. Do you remember when she broke up with Pete and dropped that album?
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We're putting our lesbianism away, right? We're picking up our cultural appropriation.
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But I need to hold space for something big for Hunter. Because one thing about Hunter is when she's hungry, she's going to be a what? Bitch. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to call you out your name for that one because I've seen what I've seen, okay? I've been on the receiving end.
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J's on my feet. So get like me. Bangers is a perfect album. No skips. Oh, my God.
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Something that did, speaking of my sister, my queen, something that pissed me off was when those little pop star emojis dropped and I did not see Miley Cyrus on there. Black or white version of her.
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Well, good. Because I'll say it again. That is not true. Well, obviously, we know that's not true.
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Whisper foreplay. I was like, yeah, whatever. And that's when I pivot from being a lover to a hater.
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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Due to a man. And you know, that's sage advice for the women of Temptation Island, okay? Get to the nearest airport, get the fuck out of Hawaii, all right? And leave your man behind. Please, God. Well, don't leave him in Hawaii. They don't deserve that.
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Yeah. No, I was setting that up because I was saying I'm so proud of you. Oh, thank you. For acknowledging your needs. Yeah. Hunter, saying this is what's coming up within me and I just want to make space right here and right now.
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And then to not eat for another five hours. I was scared. I was holding my purse close.
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Turns out, Hunter said, nevertheless, she persisted, actually.
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We're saying that in Times Square, so just know that we mean it, okay? Sorry, Chicago.
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Go back to children's church. Like, my God. Honestly, kind of wish the monkeys did it. The way everything went.
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You didn't even have Addie? I was anti-America from the jump, so. Every black girl had Addie. She was the slave doll. I remember. Okay. Of course she was. They said, ooh, shit. Let's make her a slave, shall we? She was liberated, though, eventually.
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So any white woman's girl trip, for the record. What are you talking about? Don't make me think of Palm Heights. We actually left on bad terms. We're like, move mercy on the plane. Our friendship ended after Palm Heights. Yeah, I actually like, okay, well, let's go through each part. Yeah. Who should we start with? I'm going to start with Guy Talk. Okay.
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I said, I'm paying attention now. If you brought that attitude to White Lotus, we would have been locked in a different kind of way.
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I mean, absolutely. Performance of a lifetime to be boring and not sexy. Well, no, he was so sexy, just like absolutely boring. But let's talk about that. And let's talk about Lisa. You have a whole Lisa from Blackpink in your show and you do zilch, zip, nada with her? Leave the Blackpink girls alone is kind of where I'm at right now. HBO, okay, let them go work on the next album or something.
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And I thought it was like a fun, like small role, but like a good role. Fine. Lisa? I mean, she's just like you for real. You said, we're not going to be taking this seriously and that your pockets better be full. Okay? You need a business plan.
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I just thought it was a throwaway character. Yeah. To be honest. And I just like, I would like to see more of her. And it kind of felt like if you're casting these people, are you, and I'm a Mike White fan, but like, are you capitalizing on what K-pop fandom and culture?
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No, and I do need an Emmy for Parker Posey's. firm thumbs up was so good in that.
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But okay, I was going to say, sure, in terms of the storyline, I thought the performance was bad, though. Of Piper?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, this is so mid that it was almost not believable. I thought she was, for a second, I thought she was putting this on because she was that thwarted by her brother maybe wanting to join her or something. Yeah. So like that performance didn't land for me, even though I think in general the story arc did because that felt very obvious.
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Something I think that they could have done, the wardrobe department could have done more clearly with Piper is make her just a little bit more aspirational to like the bohemian lifestyle. Like her little peplum dresses. You want to see her in some free people. For once, at least anthropology.
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I just felt like I wasn't ever sold that this person was aspiring towards a different kind of lifestyle and ready to give up all of her luxuries in order to tap into her higher self. She's not doing the artist's way. That book is crisp and clean on her bookshelf. I don't know. I love that you have such a specific note to the costume.
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I thought he was a good actor in a way that I was not. I was holding out no hope for him. I didn't see the staircase. Sorry.
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Look out on Substack. I will say Lachlan. Yeah. Kill the twink. Let him die. Why did he come back? I wanted him to die. Sorry, that sounded really serious like I had something against him, but I thought it was a real freak nasty from the jump. And the fact that they even addressed the brotherly hand job of it all and him being like, I'm just a pleaser. I'm just die. Oh, sorry.
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So now it's illegal to be a people pleaser? That's crazy. As a recovering one? Yeah.
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Fuck you, first of all. But I just was... I thought that it would have been either... Two things with that family. Either the twink should have fully died or we should have gotten to see them react to the fact that they're poor now.
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I needed some kind of really good Parker Posey one line. Just something. I felt like everything got buttoned up way too easy. All of a sudden, dad's like... Anyway, we're still a family. Like, kumbaya. Like, we out. It was too clean.
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But what else? And also the fact that he didn't clean the damn blender.
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Yeah, yeah, sorry. Anyway, he should have been dead for just that. For not cleaning a dish. So you wanted the son to die. Yeah. I needed anything, anything to work with. Especially with that family because I felt like so honestly, besides Parker Posey, like bored by them. But you loved Saxon. I didn't say all that. Oh, look at you putting words in my mouth. Oh, I said Patrick was all right.
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Yeah. Well, I'm also curious, too, because, OK, so Colleen Hoover has like posted in support of Blake Lively. Yeah. But then it's like, I mean, you saw that one interview with Jenny Slate on the red carpet of the one of the It Ends With Us premieres where she totally dodged a question about Justin Baldoni. And it's everyone, you know, unfollowed him. Yeah.
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And it's like if the cast is on her side, that I think speaks volumes. Yeah. More so than like other people in Hollywood, even her former cast members like talking about how much they like her or whatever.
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But it is kind of like one of those cases where there are so many reasons that Blake Lively is unlikable, which has little to no bearing on the fact that like this allegation of astroturfing, which is like kind of seeding hate comments and, you know, tweets and whatever, really does seem like, oh my gosh, like what an onslaught of really like online harassment and abuse.
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Like, you can tell Ramona one thing and she'll tell you the exact opposite. Like... But that's my sister. And I stand by her. Her racist ass. I love her. Those are your mothers and I'm terrified. You haven't even seen it. You haven't even seen it. I know. I haven't. I've barely scratched season three. You haven't met Carol. You haven't met Dorinda.
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yeah equal opportunity people sucking the other part of this is like there's like layers and layers and layers because the outstanding question for a moment was like okay well how did blake lively get all of these texts of these publicists talking about like we can bury her you know consider it like very olivia pope it's handled like she's over she's nothing in this town we can get it taken care of and it turns out that okay this is like just bear with me here i'm bearing so
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One of the publicists had a falling out with the original publicist who used to rep Justin Baldoni and his studio who produced It Ends With Us. And when she left her old boss's firm, her old boss was so mad that the boss allegedly leaked the texts to Blake Lively's team to get back Justin Baldoni.
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And now one of the publicists who's on Baldoni's team, who cited in this filing, who has like the texts, She is now suing her former boss for retaliation for leaking the text in the first place. Right. Ooh, I love a petty queen. Oscar incoming. Sorry.
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Yeah, now we're at four because Justin Baldoni suing the New York Times, Blake Lively suing Justin Baldoni, Justin Baldoni's first publicist suing his second publicist, and then that publicist countersuing her back. A lawsuit for a lawsuit for a lawsuit for a lawsuit.
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I don't know. I don't want to joke about it or make light of it because this is so, like, slimy. Of course. I'm not okay. And yes, yes. And I just – reading that Blake Lively filing, I was like, ugh, what grimy, nasty shit. And then Justin Baldoni's filing in response is like, well – these like conversations. They left me out of the edit. Yes. He's like, the conversations are so sad.
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And like, he's like, oh, like how could I not be able to edit my own movie? And like, you know, a lot of these conversations were presented without proper context. And then you read the text and the context is like, so one of the popes was like on a bad vacation and stuck in a storm and like drinking a pina colada on a beach.
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Like that's the context you need to like know that they're joking, whatever.
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Oh, but have you gotten to, you know, we need to, we need to save this for a second part because like. I know. I know. There's got to be, we got to do a deeper dive later on because like. Now that you're with the holy text, I can't wait. And what was the other sickness you were done with? Love sickness? The flu. Oh.
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Well, when you read the filing, and in the New York Times story, Flake Lively was following the press plan for the movie, and Justin Baldoni was allegedly texting his publicist being like, find more domestic violence stories.
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Find more stories about battered women watching this movie and loving it so much and crying over it so that I can post them on my social to make me seem like the white knight of this all, which is outrageous. Yeah.
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Sequel predictions, I don't know what's going to happen because according to The Hollywood Reporter, Justin Baldoni's production company Wayfair has the rights to the sequel, It Starts With Us, which would mean that either they like recast Blake Lively or Baldoni or both, but in some way he'll still be attached no matter what.
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Yeah, totally. I don't I think this is just the beginning. I think we're in for a long, long, long fallout from this story.
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You want to talk about it more than I want to talk about it. I do want to talk about it. I do want to talk about it.
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I get the hate. No, no, no, no, no. But even your mom said that you're the real hater, that I'm the real lover girl of this
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Yeah, we're both both. Yeah, we're both both. Okay, I have a question for you.
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You are a lover, because what did you do on the way here?
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Heard. And Miss Nicole Kidman at that Roundtable too.
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Matt, are you a lover or a hater of In-N-Out lists?
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to drop and then hunter commenting and like me realizing why were so many people waiting for this to drop like i'm scared don't put it all on me miss mysterious miss oh oh yeah i'm in these streets i'd be getting the flu for a reason just me and my girlfriend sneezing and coughing on each other that's it actually that's how we got the flu um but how was your winter break winter break i sound so academic i know we're in college
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I have to argue with that. I love oatmeal raisin cookies.
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We need to move on because we need to talk about No Good Deed. We do. We do. Desperately. How did you prepare to play a real estate agent in No Good Deed?
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It was good. What did I do? I was in Oklahoma. I got to see a couple friends. I was with auntie and uncle. Actually, iconic read from uncle. And so just for context, auntie and uncle are my mom's aunt and uncle. So like they're like in their 80s. And I was like looking for the vacuum in their house. And uncle was like, what do you need the vacuum for? What's going on?
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I wish I had that energy. I wish I had like that like kind of flirtatious, like intense energy.
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I'm going to meet the wizard, the wizard and I. Okay, so I want to know, after playing a real estate agent, do you judge your friends' apartments differently? No.
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And I was like, uncle, like Remy has like been chewing this bone and she has made a little bit of a mess like with crumbs. Like, let me just vacuum it up. And he's like, I'll get it later. That's fine. I was like, uncle, she's my dog. Like, let me clean up after her. He said, she's our dog. walked out of the room, I was like, oh my God, he's so, everyone in my family is Remy pulled.
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I was going to say, yeah, give your real thoughts on Onora and then that's a way to go out.
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That's when I saw Amelia Perez, Election Day. And listen, I think the election might have been better.
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Everywhere I go, they're like, oh, is Remy coming with you? Oh, where's Remy? Oh, she's taking a nap. Why is she in that room? Why is she in her little cage? I'm like, because she's as a growing girl. She's actually full grown.
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Matt, Prince of Christmas. Star of No Good Deed. Co-host of Lost Cultures. Thank you so much for being here.
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There's always some like holiday break drama that happens just under the wire. And I'm like, wait, you guys couldn't like spread this out a little bit? Like I have to work. I like really don't want to be like so on my phone. Imagine. Okay, but did you see the Laura Harrier, Shamik Moore drama? It was like a half day on TikTok.
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Okay. So for context, Laura Harrier, spelled Harrier. I can see why it's not Harrier. Okay. Laura Harrier, model and actress. She was in Black Klansman and she was like the not MJ Zendaya girl in Spider-Man, the Tom Holland movies. Not too much, but yes. Yeah. What do you mean by not too much?
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Truly, they're like, bring me to your location on. Like, they're obsessed with my little schnoodle with a big personality. And then what else did I do? Oh, I saw Nosferatu, New Year's Eve Eve. Bad. Well. You loved it, I know. Did you like Anastasia, though? Who was that? Who was that? Anastasia who? Anastasia? Anastasia, the film? Oh, Anastasia, the Meg Ryan version?
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And anyway... Anyway. After Shameek Moore posted a video of him and Laura Harrier at a party or something. And he posted it with no context.
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Yes. It wasn't, like, selfie video. It was just, like, something in video of them getting photographed at some event. Yeah. And he posts this, no context. Of course, like, some people, the only people who care enough to follow Shamik more on Instagram or on Twitter, I guess, are thinking, like, oh, like, girlfriend reveal? Like, what is going on?
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Right. But we didn't know that yet because then Laura gets on her TikTok, which she never uses. And I know that for a fact because I just followed her and I was like, dang, I wish you would post more because like I want the makeup tutorial. whatever.
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Anyway, she gets on TikTok and she says that she saw, has like seen this kind of speculation a little bit, has seen the video and that she texted Shameek Moore asking him to take the video down because there's like the insinuation that somebody is going on between us if that was your intention. And he, she says, told her that he wouldn't take it down and
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And she said, quote, the video is still up, which is fucking annoying. You're a fucking weirdo. I'm sorry. You're a fucking weirdo. And I'm fucking annoyed. And she's like, my pebbles isn't going to get mad at me. I'm sorry to take to the internet. But like, this is the truth.
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And I said, oh, girl, there's something so beautiful about the fact that she's like slurping soup as she makes this TikTok. Talking direct to camera and is like, I don't even want to like do glam. Like, I am just sitting here mad about like, you know, she was doing, you know, the group chat was hot.
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Yes, like, she's like, if you saw what I have at home, I would not be messing with this. Like, hold on, hold on, hold on. But also, I kind of like... I have more than enough to eat, yes. Yeah. Okay, so when I saw this, I was like, huh, that's crazy.
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But then the more I thought about it, I was kind of like, Shameek Martyrs always has moved weird to me because, listen, many have forgotten, but I certainly have not forgotten his tweets and that crazy little Instagram Live thing he did in summer 2020 when he said, okay, quote, Quote from his own Twitter. This is an adult man. Summer 2020.
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He said, look, all I'm saying is in the moment when we are experiencing racism, can we, the black community, find ways to avoid being killed? Okay, so if you don't know why that's stupid, open up any book. Any book. Any. Open up It Ends With Us by Colleen Hoover. Like, open up.
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Yeah, it was something like that. And it was also like, I don't have like a slave mentality. Like I won't be killed. Yeah. And it's like, oh, this just implies so many like right wing, just noxious talking points that I cannot even imagine that you have even one brain cell.
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The Meg Ryan version and John Cusack? Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. Okay, yes, of course. I thought you meant, I thought you were talking about a girl that we know. I was like, who was Anastasia? Anastasia. You know Anastasia? I don't know her parents. Except my brows.
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So I guess to bring this all back to the Laura Harrier stuff, when Shemek Moore gets back on the internet and says, this is all a misunderstanding. And unfortunately, it's become public. It's, quote, really the fan fiction, the commentary. That's what's fucking weird. I'm like, oh, you're just like a dumbass.
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Yes. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. All is coming from inside the house. I don't like when a man is like, oh, well, I apologize for the misunderstanding. It's like, no, apologize for like being weird and posting this video with a clear like intention and kind of like underlying intention. you know, reason to like promote his song or whatever.
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And he said that it just like the video matched the aesthetic of the song. But the fact that, yeah, it's like it's a fan cam. Just post another one.
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And now, I mean, if only Laura could bring this energy to her like auditions or acting roles, because I do want to see her in more stuff. I am tired of like the YSL haul TikToks that she posts. It's like, we get it. You're pretty in a model.
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And, you know, mentally, I'm still at the, quote, no more pressing by Mr. Baldoni to sage any of Blake Lively's employees. Because what was going on on that movie?
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I'm sorry, I have so many questions about where Anastasia and Nosferatu, like what is in the circle of that Venn diagram? Don't worry about it. Not your business. Well, dare I say, to you and him, Shamik Les.
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Did you see a different movie? No, I'm so confused. My eyes were open. Did you deadass see a different movie? But I will say thank you, Nosferatu, because Nosferatu and Lily Depp's lip liners have inspired me to get back on my lip liner game. And like all of her red carpet lip liners, not in the movie.
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She was too busy fighting demons. She'll work it out. She found an ex in those times who was a goblin. Uh-oh. Yeah. I loved it. I had a time. You would have a time. And then I saw The Brutalist on New Year's Day. And I was like, what a what a great start to the year. What like a lovely and like a serious film person seeing a three hour movie at 10 a.m. on New Year's Day.
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Yeah, that sounds right to me. You know, moving on from 2024 and the hangover I know you had. Oh, brother. Yeah. Today, we're talking about the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni dueling lawsuits and the weirdest Spider-Man crossover no one expected that happened over the holiday break.
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And we're joined by comedian and Las Culturistas co-host Matt Rogers to talk about his new Netflix show, No Good Deed, and his 2025 ins and outs.
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So let me say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions?
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Okay, in the days before Christmas, I mean like as 2024 was like in the most winding of wind downs, I get a push alert on my phone. Don't start laughing already. I'm setting the scene.
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Blake Lively had filed a complaint in California court accusing Justin Baldoni, her co-star and director of the movie It Ends With Us, of sexual harassment and retaliation. And there's a New York Times story kind of detailing some of the harassment, but mostly about how
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Lively says that Baldoni and his publicists launched this like online hate campaign against her to cover up his alleged misconduct on the set. And of course, I read every single page. I read every word of the story and all like 45 pages of the legal filing because I am who I am.
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You need to respect yourself. Oh, my God. Welcome.
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And that's true because what did I do? I came to the group chat.
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On August 9th, the movie comes out, also my birthday, not that it matters. And the negative press around Blake Lively, a bunch of viral videos, a bunch of like resurfaced old interviews of her start going viral again.
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And also Whitney Houston's birthday. Okay. Like, okay, move on.
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And then on December 31st, New Year's Eve, both Blake Lively sues Justin Baldoni in court in New York City. And then Justin Baldoni sues the New York Times in a court in Los Angeles.
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More than housewives, girl. This is real, first of all. I mean, all respect to my sister, Countess Luanne, who was really going through it. Anyway, so the drama starts in according to Blake Lively's filing on the set of It Ends With Us when she says that he would, Justin Baldoni, would do all of these like bizarre things
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inappropriate and just unprofessional things on that set, including, she says, he showed her nude videos slash images of his wife when she was giving birth. He and his co-producer would discuss their previous porn addictions. They would ask her if she watched porn. They would ask her trainer how much she weighed.
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Justin Baldoni would improvise kissing, like, without clearing it with an intimacy coordinator. He would enter her trailer while she was in the nude. And then a few that I just have to quote directly, these were requests that Blake Lively said that she made in an HR complaint to Justin Baldoni and to the producers.
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Quote, no more private multi-hour meetings in Blake's trailer with Mr. Baldoni crying. No more pressing by Mr. Baldoni to sage any of Blake Lively's employees. No more mention by Mr. Baldoni of him, quote, speaking to Blake Lively's bedfather.
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I mean, my initial response was just, like, shock. No more saging of the employees. No more trying to speak to Blake Lively's dead father. This is, like, not only, like, grotesque, but also, like, weird. Like that's just so bizarre.
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And also I can't imagine having to go to work every day when like you are trying to avoid all of these like really inappropriate questions about like your own sex life, your own relationship history, your own religious history. I cannot even imagine. Does not change the fact that she wasn't very good in the movie, but I'm just saying.
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Yes. And so the second part of the Blake Lively filing end of the New York Times story is that after the movie wrapped, Lively says that Baldoni and two main publicists, Melissa Nathan and Jen Abel, Melissa Nathan also, it should be said, was the publicist employed by Johnny Depp in his California case against Amber Heard. Was it California? Yeah.
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Yeah, but first, wait, we have to get into the retaliation of it all first. Because basically, Blake Lively says that she has texts, which are quoted in the New York Times story and in this legal filing, where you can see...
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What are you talking about? Sage to do what? To recover from what? Turtle time? To find love in my heart. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. Let me say this. Ramona Singer, there's no one on television like her.
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Justin Baldoni and his publicist basically colluding to try to ruin her reputation by seeding negative stories about Blake Lively, about trying to essentially smear her character to cover up the alleged abuse and sexual harassment that happened on the set. And Blake Lively says that's retaliation. And some of these texts, I mean, it's like these women are kind of giddy in how much they can
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plant and seed these sorts of like smear campaign character assassination narratives in like Page Six and Us Weekly and Daily Mail.
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No, it was like, congratulations on your little bump. Well, congratulations on your little bump. I mean, that interview was embarrassing to watch, but like that woman, that Norwegian woman, she does that stuff all the time. Like after that, she did the Anne Hathaway one. I was like, Anne Hathaway was right to be mean to you. Because no offense- Having to sing in an interview, that's annoying.
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And that's a dumb question to ask. That Norwegian woman, the way you said that was crazy, but I agree. Anyway, what I do want to talk about though, this is why men should not be on stand Twitter and should not be on the internet. Because why are you sending a 30 part hate thread about Hailey Bieber to your publicist being like, give me one of those. Let's assign that out to a 17 year old.
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I'll have 14 more of them. Give me them right now. And then you saw that the person who originally tweeted that thread was like, now why am I in it?
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Actually, in my year-end photo dump, year-end review, I shared this one clip of Ramona insisting on wearing her heels into Bethany's house and then accidentally kicking one of Bethany's dogs and then being like, I didn't kick him. I just tapped him with the side of my foot, not even my shoe. And there is a difference. It's like, that's the kind of stuff, like, you can't make that up.
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Yes and no. I read the Baldoni filing against the Times where he's suing them for $250 million in damages.
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And basically he says that the New York Times story that they ran relied almost entirely on the Blake Lively filing and did not actually give him enough time to fact check or at least push back on some of these allegations, both of the retaliation and of the sexual harassment that she alleged that happened on set. And I kind of feel like... I don't know, like they said that he had 14 hours.
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He was like, some of those hours, like it was overnight and they published it two hours early. But you know, like that's like not so unusual to me. And the fact that too, that he's suing the New York Times and not suing Blake Lively, I think also kind of says, it just, I don't know, it kind of seems a little bit disorganized. Like a little bit. I'm surprised that he's...
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No, well, I mean, obviously, like, their filing is, like, more rushed because, like, it's a reaction. Although, like, his lawyer said that he's going to sue Blake Lively at some point. Something about him doing the Times up front for such a large, like, gobsmacking sum of money makes me a little bit suspicious.
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But then, some other things, speaking of people coming out in defense of Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni has some kind of man feminism, man enough, the podcast is called, which, red flag. Yeah. A man with a mic, run. Exactly. And his podcast co-host, Liz Plank, quit the podcast.
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Like I loved watching how much play happened in that, the blood bank scene where just all of a sudden the blood is just on every single person. But the true breakout star, Kayla Mejia.
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There's some teachings that need to happen. The part where Kiki Palmer was like, are you okay? And she goes, are you? Or like quickness. Oh, she was sending me.
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How did the dick print go over for your community? Screaming. Screaming. I needed to be in the Baldwin Hills Magic Johnson Theater watching that moment. I wanted to hear the roar of laughter the same way. I wish I heard a little bit more in Alamo Drafthouse, Brooklyn.
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They probably laughed an appropriate amount.
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Why? Shut up. Anyway, so you said we don't need to laugh that hard at Dick Prince. We're like, you're gay. You're like, what are you laughing at? You don't even know what that means. You don't even know what that means.
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Wait, but I want to hold space for something really important. Let's talk about, and here I go, stretching before I reach, the queer undertones of Keke Palmer's character. The line of her saying, when she was walking through that crowd of men, she was like, I don't even like men. The other line of her saying to SZA, you ain't even my type. You want to marry me so bad.
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There were so many indications that were like around her character. It seemed that she was supposed to be queer in my very lesbian head. And am I projecting? Sure. Do I care? No. Okay. You didn't see it? Honestly, I was just like, don't look at me like that.
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You weren't fucking in high school.
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Like, that quick turn, I was like, oh, hilarious. But the $1,000 off, I was like, what? I had so much fun during this movie. I saw every character, even the side characters, even the small moans were so much fun. I will say the only unbelievable part was they were walking that much in L.A.,
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Let them call a quick Uber. Oh, wait, no, they're broke. They can't do that. Maybe Uber. A lot of broke people call Uber. But that's true. You know what I love? Because SZA's hair, done. Nails, did.
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They're like, we can't pay rent, but we look so good.
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Yeah, yeah. It's like that meme that kind of went around for a while. It's this girl with like a blue fur coat. Oh, wait, is this from Top Model? I don't know if it's from Top Model. And I'm pretty sure it's an Andre Leon tally quote or it's from Top Model. Either way, it was a reference to that. Okay, okay. But it is still very us and very correct. Should we try that like Hot Cheetos martini?
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I don't like Hot Cheetos or martinis. Same, actually. I just wanted to have fun. You know me.
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coming in and gentrifying wow wow so she grew up next to bullets i was fighting how quickly you forget okay so literally i was like born in like the house i was right around the corner from there lines that i love besides the implications that kiki was queer is little miss knockoff sexy red when they're trying to fake bond and then she was like oh you know it was before you had your ass and she stops and goes ass been fat and
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Oh, my God. See, I love the way you find yourself into the narrative.
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again anything that reminded me of Evan Nicole Brown again a name you'll hear spiritually ethically all the time in this podcast I do hear it ethically all the time sit with it let it rock it means something and then there's something so specific about when she greets that murderer and it's like grand rising king it was like My trainer says grand rising and I said, what? Yes, I love it.
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So you know body's going to be built.
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You're so stupid. But I will say I want more, I want more SZA. I want more like crossover of actors, singer, like let's do it for the right people.
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I loved her. I loved Kiki. Love Kiki in everything. Put Kiki in everything. I mean, she is kind of in everything, actually. She really is. What doesn't she do? This podcast. This podcast. This is a call to action now. We're not calling you out. We're calling you in. It's a safe space.
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Different cities. Give me 14 more of them right now. You know what I'm saying?
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I'll hear that, actually. But I will say, like, my dad had sent a group chat. He never, he doesn't drink at all, but he will drink if the Eagles win. And he sent this photo that's just clearly like, okay, so you're wasted, sir. You're wasted. Eagles equal Super Bowl, caption. Like him and then like some random lady that was just in the sports bar that they're at.
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Okay, so Hunter has a pimple today.
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Not just a pimple, a big zit. A big old zit. But that's okay. Why? Because today we have Sophie Pavitt, who is a New York-based skincare expert and licensed esthetician, rethinking the way to care for problematic skin. Her clients include Zendaya. Heard of her? She might be in the room with us right now. Lorde, Chloe Sevigny, Margaret Qualley, kind of like the girls about town.
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And yeah, Hunter Harris too, who wrote that down and made me say it. Yeah.
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We're so happy to have you. Oh my God.
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We're so happy that our skin has been touched by you.
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kind of taking care of people while getting a beautiful facial.
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But imagine like what I would be like as a 14 year old with a fucking pimple patch. I would be ruling that school.
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And my mom was like, LOL, like, this is weird. Yeah. And my dad goes, you're jealous. Divorced in 2008. Just remember that. Divorced in 2008 and they're still playing games. Pause. You're jealous. Wait, bitchy. That's so funny. I'm like, you're never getting her back like this. Like your dad is truly comedian. Literally. No, he's just a tourist man. But I have to say something about the Eagles.
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Like things would be so different if I could just do one.
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You'd be a menace. I would be a menace. You wouldn't be able to stop me. You'll see me come and they run.
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Yeah. And I think like the topical aspect of like if you have an event versus like, okay, listen, you can go to town and my face is going to look so crazy after, but I know in a few days it'll be a glow. I'll be Zendaya actually. I'll be Zendaya of the group. But we're curious because there is so many things now that you can do to your face. What do you think people are doing too much of?
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Okay. This is actually not about the Eagles. This is about a man named Jalen Hurts. Oof. And say it. Say it. Straight people made one singular point. That's a man. With Jalen Hurts. I might be gay, but I'm not blind. Let me take these off. Let me take these sunglasses off right now. I'm not blind. Oh, baby. Now that. That's a man. That's a man with a chain. You saw that big-ass chain?
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And why are you taking advice from a 22-year-old online? You're 18. You haven't even gone through puberty yet.
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Okay? Let me start there. Because they never have the problems I have. Yeah. And some teens, in fact, too, which is like teen boys being like, yeah, you need this neck cream, you old witch. That's how I'm reading it. I'm like, what the fuck? And then I buy it.
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No, but I once had said like, oh, death to TikTok shop, but not in the way that I know it's like so lucrative for so many small businesses and creators. But like in the way that anyone can sell anything is so harmful. It's weird. At the same time, I want to ask you, like, how has the Internet or social media helped you like in your career and in your product line?
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I'm the 22-year-old boring question. I'm the problem, actually. I don't know.
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Yeah, and that one photo of him with, like, his tongue out after he won. Teeth just so straight and so white. He's a black queen. Is the black queen in the room with us right now?
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I was just about to order. Okay, interesting. Well, actually, right now, honestly, thank you to your Mandelic Serum. I've been using for the last month. My skin, my girlfriend one morning wakes up and she has perfect skin, so I'm just trying to keep up. Touched my face and said, you have no pores.
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Say that. Yeah. Well, we have our poll quote. Oh, my God. And all God's children, of course, all your children, of course. But what's your favorite product if you had to pick?
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We're living proof, actually, honestly. Yeah.
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Cancel this appointment real quick.
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This is a very personal question. This is just advice for us. I need to get into red light therapy. Are we pro lover hater red light therapy?
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I'll drop DM me. I'll drop you her address and then give me, just give me the red light.
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Seriously. If you want to be looking like this, look at these cameras. Look at this 4K HD. Get your ass to Sephora right now. Okay, so you have a gift for us.
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Get it with the runway quality about her. I love that. Oh my God. Call back to earlier.
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it is like a hug for your skin it's so rich it's perfect for this freezing cold new york weather situation we got going on but i think you'll love it oh my god thank you so much no privilege is amazing i'm like we we win we only started this podcast it's not launched it's not launched no i feel like i'm like in the lab like i'm like dexter's laboratory like i'm behind the scenes
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Thank you so much, Sophie Pavet Foods.
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And some nasty shit goes down there for sure. But we didn't watch the inauguration, but there are some things we saw.
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In this remix. By the way, that was like nice. The tone in that was...
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White on white crime. Not even white on white crime.
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You want to hear a story about how me and this bitch fell out?
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I was just going to say, I'm like, no wonder you're activated.
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Kind of like you and me. Oh, well, I love how you found a way to bring it back. That is very rude. Real Housewives. Was there a Real Housewives of D.C.? It was. It was called Our Government. There was that one time.
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Do you think that What's-His-Name-From-Glee is going to do a feud, Jill and Nancy? Ryan Murphy, you mean? What's-His-Name-From-Glee, I mean. Yeah, Ryan Murphy. Too many white gays. Like, I'm doing my best.
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two in line, so you don't have to be.
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And that's the Taylor Swift effect. We could talk about that for a minute, but Jalen Hurts. We're holding out for you, baby. You and I guess my dad. So he's like nice to me for the rest of the year.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello. And the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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How would you say these women compare to the Roni cast?
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We have our Roni update, so watch this face for that. No, I know. I'm sorry.
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Hunter is wearing a all heather gray, head to toe, long dress.
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Okay, spoiler, if you haven't seen One of Them Days yet, starring Kiki Palmer and SZA, then for, I don't know, 15, maybe 20 minutes, catch you on the other side of it. But if you have seen it, ooh, you're in for a treat. So One of Them Days is a buddy comedy starring our sister in Wondery, Kiki Palmer and SZA. The movie follows the two who are roommates and besties, and they hustle to figure out
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Say it with me. Trigger warning. Paying their rent. First of all, 95% on Rotten Tomatoes. Let's look at those numbers.
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Let's celebrate that. Let's wake up that conversation. And opening weekend, it made $12 million on a budget of $14 million. And probably made a couple million more because I was sat in that theater.
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Okay, let's start there. The theater experience. Wait, what theater did you go to? I went to Alamo Drafthouse in downtown Brooklyn. Ugh, I hate Alamo Drafthouse. Well, it's walking distance. So where'd you go? From who? From, I guess I shouldn't say me in case somebody's listening in a weird way, but that is like not walking distance from you. Yeah. Sorry. Do you hate to get your steps in?
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I went to the Regal Essex. I love the Regal Essex.
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How did it feel to be talking to a future self?
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And she stood on business. How would it happen in your theater? Okay, well, it's so funny you ask. There was also a grandmother lady woman in my theater, in my row, who was, sure, on the phone a few times to where everyone was like, So you kind of, you have to. And in Alamo too, they're like strict about that. Yeah. But like it was on a phone call, not even like filming.
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She don't even, she don't look like she knew how to film. Obviously I wouldn't think she was filming. In the beginning of the movie, we had gotten there and we're trying to basically move over one seat. I caused an issue, but granny was also in the wrong seat. So then there were two issues happening. So granny's seat is in the wrong place. So she messed that up.
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And then I messed it up even more by thinking I moved two people over. Correctly, I didn't. Okay, so woman next to me, she gets so mad. Fuck you if you somehow find this podcast. Was she this woman? No, black with an attitude. And she was like- Well, representation. Well, me. And normally I can, well, you. So I'm accustomed to this.
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And then I was like, Mars, my partner, gets up to be like, hey, do you? She goes, no, no, no, no, no. Every time she's literally asking to move over one- And Mars is such a sweetie pie too. I literally put my hand up. I said, leave her alone. She was like, I'm seat nine. I refuse to move to seat 10. One seat over.
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And then was like so, I don't know, like pissed about the situation that she's under her breath. Like, I'm asking for my money back. Because someone asked me to move one seat over, but then the woman did start talking on the phone during the middle of the movie. So her grievances just stacked up. Oh, she had a bad day.
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The funny thing, the way it ended, I know we're not even talking about the movie, but this is funny, is I got a wine for me and Mars. We had to sit, you know, apart, so I felt bad. Oh, you sat apart. Five feet apart. It was sold out almost everywhere. Yeah. And then I got a wine and the guy gives me the wine. I pull out my credit card and he was like, oh no, like on the house.
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That was so complicated earlier. I'm sorry. And then I was thinking, well, it was my fault actually. Like I made it complicated.
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And I got free wine. So that's what a good attitude will do to you. It was just one of them days. Wow. Wow. Yeah. So that is perfectly thematic for the messy movie and the messy experience. Interesting.
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If you've ever been chased by a bitch with a fat ass and some red hair.
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Anyway, how are you? Who cares about how I'm doing? Let's talk about how my dad is doing, okay? I'm doing well because my father is doing well and I'm not going to have an attitude for the next few months because the Eagles are going to the Super Bowl. Oh my God, sports podcast. Yeah, sports podcast, we're pivoting. If you have a black dad from Philly, first of all, stronger than the troops.
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Yes. So watch out. And she got a fat ass, too. Shout out to that body. She should be there for Halloween. Wait. Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
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Okay. What did you think? I loved it. And I loved kind of for the opposite reason. I loved how much of a specific part of L.A., Baldwin Village, Baldwin Hills was incorporated.
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I literally grew up like three blocks from where they shot in like Baldwin Hills. What? You heard me. You can't be a Nepo baby if you lived above the jungle. Like people were getting shot and Hunter's like, Nepo baby. And I'm like, no, I can hear bullets. Like that's not what that is. Great view though.
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But, and it's so funny because like even at the end of the movie, like that neighborhood, my mom moved, but like is so different. Like once I saw white gays moving in, I said, so there's trouble afoot.
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Maud or Iris? Iris. Mod. That was Mod. But I loved, like, one, the references there. I loved, was very confused by her working in a Norm's and Norm's being a place to eat. Norm's is disgusting. Well, she's trying to work her way out of it.
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Well, she did. And thank God for that. Spoiler alert. But Norm's is, the opening there made me scared for my life. I had poison in there that really took a bitch out. But I loved it. I thought Kiki, again, like, a star in everything. Original multi-hyphenate. SZA, my sister, I do feel like, were you playing yourself to a certain degree?
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The big ass date necklaces, the eat, pray, love, the little bit of a ho-tep, the down bad for a man.
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But I loved her in it. I loved their chemistry together. I will say that.
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But then I also was going to say some breakout stars for us. Yes. Some breakout stars. Yes. I was about to open with Cat Williams. Have you heard from breakout star? Up and coming. No, but Cat Williams.
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But, like, mean nurses and nurses who don't know what they're doing... There's some blending that happens there too, don't you worry. But that was so funny in that scene. Okay, Kamala with a Venn diagram. So there's some learnings that need to happen here. But I feel like that scene in general and this movie in general reminded me like how fun physical comedy can be when it's done right.
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Second off, it's your week. It's your time to shine. Because growing up with my father being a diehard Eagles fan, my mom would take me and my brother, we'd leave the house. Okay. Until either it could go one of two ways. Either we're coming back and we're celebrating. We're eating McDonald's tonight. We're going crazy. Or it's like, don't speak to dad. Okay. He's going through it. All right.
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I do love a woman with a lesbian husband, though. There is something that's so powerful. Look at Nicole Kidman. God. How do you think she stays in power?
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Who got up from my couch to go to your couch and play with Remy for a few hours and then leave.
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Fourth kid. Yeah. And she points a gun to her and she's like.
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I was like, no, he's an understudy. No sriracha.
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That's what they call me in the streets. Yeah. I'm different now. You heard it here first. Yeah, I mean, my like eat, pray, love, like linen, white, looking out the window, warm cup of coffee.
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Also, I'm sorry, I need to start with Doja Cat's roots. Okay. She looked like me during the pandemic.
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You're going to know. Nothing. Well, that's what I was like, are they setting her up for being like, I mean, I don't think she's the bottom.
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But I was doing it more as like a, I'm eating and I'm praying and I'm loving. Different from the film. Yeah. It just happened to be the same thing. Separate experience. Separate experience. Living, laughing, loving. Well, you look great.
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And, I mean, at least dance, girl. Like, she was missing her mark. Six, seven, eight.
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Oh, my Lord. I mean, we live in the shadow of her good works. Are you not a Shalomai girl? I am not a club Shalomai head because I fear for my life and I fear for my sister over here.
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Thank you. It's, yeah, not being in New York is actually, not even, I was still in New York.
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I have to crawl out into the sun sometimes.
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Just like a few miles outside of it. But bravely, started The Artist's Way. And we have to talk about The Artist's Way because there's a system in place here. Because did I buy that book many years ago? Absolutely. Did it collect dust for two and a half of those years? For sure. Did I then convince myself, I put it out, put it on my coffee table, not close enough, put it out, put it near my bed.
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It's like, I'll wake up and I'll look at it and it'll make me start thinking about it. Or you'll just go through a really tough month, book a stay at the Rockaway Hotel, bring it with you, and then you'll finally like really get into it. So that's, you got to peer pressure yourself into the artist's way. It's part of the whole journey.
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Fair. I watched it afterwards, but I fell asleep three different times and I wasn't even that tired. I just was like, I'm cool with the slow burn. I'm hoping that things will pick up. But so far, what are we, three episodes in? Yeah. I'm tired. I'm struggling to get through each episode. I'm struggling to be invested in any of the characters except for my three sisters.
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Oh, I tried for a second and then I got out of there. I'm sorry.
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I immediately was like, I love this dynamic that is being so easily created between these characters. I understand like who they are, like how they're playing against each other. And I feel like they're the only people whose world I'm invested in. And I love a bitch who talks shit. The realities of going on vacations with three women, three is a hard number, by the way.
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My mom told me that when I lived with two other roommates. She goes, three's are hard.
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Go two or go four. That's what I say. But I unfortunately deeply, and maybe I'm digging my own grave, identify with the three of these women. That doesn't surprise me at all. Who shocked? Everyone listening is like.
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And I like that crazy accent. I'm sorry. First episode threw me off, but second, I was like, no, I'm in.
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I love when actresses make crazy decisions.
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And there's a weird sexual tension between the three of them. I think let's be honest and say they're setting that up in some weird way. Do I want it? No. I saw Game of Thrones. I had enough. But like. Yeah. Something's afoot with the siblings and there's a weird sexual element that is stressing me out.
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Is this relationship dynamic working for you between Rick and Teeth Girl? I forgot her real her name in the show.
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It's a little bit Sean Baker because it's like I want to understand what's holding them together or bringing them together. And there's like no we get a hint of the backstory of like they like partied and had fun. But yeah. And he does have a story. Sexy voice.
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What is it called? We have talked about this book on this podcast like 20 times and we never get it right. Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents.
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Hello? Okay, also, sorry to say it, Natasha is not doing it for me. Well, she's had like three scenes. I know, but every scene that she's in, it feels like she did the take four different ways and they just pick and choose whichever take that is. And tonally, it's all over the place.
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I mean, maybe they're just using her to tie back in Jennifer Coolidge's ex who's there.
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Like to my core. God, mother. I love Parker Posey. She is so, and also, okay, quick aside, her Little Gap ad. Oh, yeah. She was so cute in that. Dancing a little hard. I love when white women dance. Oh, my God.
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You are so, like, tell it your hands in a marriage story. Absolutely. I am those three white women in the White Lotus.
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Blind spot for me culturally in my lived experience. Oh, I have some stories. Oh, really? For off the pod. Yeah.
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And I also like really need to get on what she's, what does she take? Lorazepam. I said, pop me a few.
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Like I want to be beta blocker boots down. She is so me or she is so who I want to be when she goes, scratch my arm. Remember that to her daughter who then scratches her arm. Like, oh, I need in this dynamic. Not in that family though. That family freaks me out. I also want to talk about, what's his name that we just, Patrick. Yeah. Let's hold the phone for a minute.
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I need people to not be thirsting over a man in general. I don't understand the Patrick thirst. One, be careful about standing a man. Okay. Be really, really particular about who you're going to get behind and then go to a man's Instagram following and then really be careful about it.
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Like all these fucking right wing ass. I mean, it's Patrick, of course. Yeah, but that's why I'm like, we can't blindly get behind. We can't blindly call, what do they call him? White boy of the week? No, they did.
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I played flag football against Patrick. I didn't see it then, don't see it now. Nepo baby. Yeah. You see how I fit that in? Yeah.
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I'm thinking maybe it's going to be the forehead, nice ab, sexy voice.
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Yeah. Maybe it's him. And then maybe the multiple bullets that we hear in the beginning are just like the guards, the security guards.
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One thing about me, I love white-on-white crime. I love it. I can't get enough.
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It's notes in the margin. I feel like that's the first book and then you graduate into The Artist's Way after that.
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Oh, thank God. I'm an eager student. You are a genuine learner.
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I'm a genuine learner. Okay, so we have, sit with me, Alabama Barker, queen of TikTok, actually. 19 years old, daughter. She is a queen of a corner of TikTok. She sold a lot of MAC cosmetics products, I'll tell you that. And those aren't cheap. So that means a lot in some communities.
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So Albion Barker, 19 years old, daughter of drummer Travis Barker, who's obviously married now to Kourtney Kardashian. If you don't know, it's fine if you don't know. That just means your brain is working. And she is currently beefing in a rap battle with Bad Baby, who is 21 years old. I'm sorry, children.
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Again, we don't believe in people under the age of 27 on this podcast in general, so just know this is a big feat that we're even discussing this and understanding what's going on. She is 21. You might remember her from the Cash Me Outside Dr. Phil viral video. Many were there. Yeah. Cash Me Outside. How about that? Sorry, she kind of thought of that.
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Racist the way I did it, and I'm black. Yeah. I did not like that. Okay, so they are beefing. And here's what's going down. So in December 2024, Bad Baby accuses Alabama of stealing her baby daddy. Just literally some guy. Alabama responds with Cry Baby, her track. It has its moments, but she basically alleges that like, no, no, no, he was flirting with me.
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Oh, I thought you were going to say like all about love.
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I didn't even know that that was your man. So I'm not thinking about you.
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No, I think every kind of ghetto white bitch does know each other. There's some group chat that exists.
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Pajama, cookie monster pajamas on the streets in Target. So they don't really have any kind of real relationship, but like bad baby, she's been out of rap retirement for a minute now. Let's hold space though for Gucci flip flops, one platinum in my house.
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The most toxic bitch you know, though, has like all about love. No creases. No creases. Never open. Just sitting out on display. That's all I need to know about love. I just got to see it. I just got to know it's there when I'm ready. Anyway, so that's my, I'm in my healing journey, healing era.
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Really? Oh my God. Wait, Crayshon, where is she? She was white? Yeah, of course. Gucci, Gucci, Louis, Louis, Fendi, Fendi, Prada. These other bitches want that shit that they don't even bother. There might be a playlist that we need to create after this. But Bad Baby, okay, so she responds with a song called Miss Whitman about Alabama. And when I say there was a murder...
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And also sampled Kanye West, which insane that, actually maybe it's not insane at all that Kanye cleared that sample, but she sampled Kanye West's Carnival for the track. And obviously, like, we have to talk about the Kardashian web of it all, right? Obviously, of course, Kanye, Kim.
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And then there was a, I believe it was AI, someone edited a Kanye feature or like a remix, but Kanye quickly was like, no, no, no, like, I'm not involved in this. I would never, I call Wait, a remix for? For the Miss Whitman song. Oh, okay. So apparently it's AI. It's not real.
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It wouldn't surprise me, actually, given Kanye's everything, if he did, for some reason, find himself in a 19-year-old and 21's Crazy White Girl beef.
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Yeah, because he's very busy selling, like, swastika merchandise. Yeah. So, not real, allegedly. But when I say I have to hold space for Bad Baby's rap career... I think the bitch has bars and we can acknowledge some truths in this house. I think we can say the same thing, which is like, she carried. And I would be really scared if I was Alabama. I think it should end here.
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Or this is gonna go like, this is gonna be like the white ghetto girl version of Kendrick and Drake.
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And I will say the funniest part of all of this is Landon Baker, who looks like a lesbian. He looks like.
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Yeah. I don't know how old he is. I actually really don't care. But I love him just vibing on TikTok, doing his little dances, hanging with his little friends like nothing is happening. He's taking what Parker Posey is taking. He's like, whatever.
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The way that you would get involved is like, I'm not going to comment on the things that are being said and the accusations. I'm just going to say, side comment, makes you think.
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Through and through. And mine is not Alabama Barker, I'll tell you that. Oh my God. Good luck to her. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be. I think I'm going to,
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And if you're Alabama Barker, put the pen down.
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She kind of does this thing too where she like cocks her head and looks at you a certain way to be like, I know you're playing in my face right now.
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I did say locking in was out this year, but for you, it's in. I'm more than locked in.
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Has never been me. Never. We have an important question for you. First, are you a lover or a hater? Period. Period. Start there.
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You think so? You didn't even blink. You think so?
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Make me cry, actually. Show me you care. Show me you care. Show me you care. How did you feel about the Timothy speech? At the SAG Awards.
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I hate when people are shocked that Whoopi is fitted. Because she's been an icon.
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I think it needed a larger audience, actually, for that moment. Not just like social media editors trying to get that moment. And then cutting to Georgina Chapman. She's fine.
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Because I think I would do like a cat if I were to get an animal.
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I have an allergy. Oh. You sound just like Michael. Paint don't. Like it's your life. It is my life.
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Okay, Adrienne's not rehearsing anything. Because if she is a girl that hearts her eyes, she's a girl that can practice a speech. So I was like, what are we doing being like, why are we not off book right now? I also, I'm sorry, I hated the dress for that moment.
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No, I don't want you to have cat hair all over you. I just don't want my couch to get fucked up. I feel like that's actually the thing that they scratch.
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And she had, did someone kiss her on her chest or was it like a stress rash?
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Thematically, it seemed all over the place, but I will say she had one of the best speeches of the night. And I'm glad she brought her gum and her little notebook up there to read the fucking music industry for filth. Fine, do it. Yeah, I'm not going to say that about the gum.
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And then shout out to MasterCard. Let's have a moment for MasterCard. And talk about allyship. LGBTQIA plus M. For paying for that ad. Oh, okay. I see what you did there. But that truly, like that moment, I felt like a proud mother watching these hysterical gays. Oh, I know. Mother is proud of you. And like, again, I love Gaga down, delirious. Like the choreo was eating Honey Balenciaga.
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Shout out to you. And then I was like, but this is something special. The way she really rallies and wakes up the gay community is to be studied in a lab.
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We should be inside houses more. We should be playing games more. But Fishbowl is where you like, there's three rounds. You have to act it out. Oh, like charades a little bit. Yeah. And then the next round you have to just like, you all know the words now and then you like describe it and then you have to say one word and someone has to guess what it is. It's so fun.
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Miss Olivia Rodrigo. Loved this grown, sexy look on her. But then I saw Jose's commentary and I was like, wait, that is how I felt about it. It was like, this isn't Oscar's dress. This isn't a Grammy's dress. And I actually was like, I agree.
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I think, well, not like where she would be at the Oscars. She didn't get nominated for an Oscar. Oh, well, I guess she did act once or twice in that high school musical musical. But I felt like that was a dress that was like, it was too, it was sexy, but it was kind of boring. Like, I wanted a little, I thought it was a serve. I thought she looked great. I thought she looked grown.
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But I was like, oh, yeah, I think I like, I wouldn't have given her best dress. You're giving her best dress? Yeah. I am. I thought Choked amazing.
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It's a little like, oh, she's young. I loved it. Well, I loved it definitely better than who had a similar version of it that looked a shit show. Who was that? And I was trying to defend her. Who the hell are they? The bisexual one who had the fine man that she loved. Victoria Monet. Victoria Monet. Oh, that was a mess. Like her dress was trying to do the same thing, but it really didn't.
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But that's the fun of it sometimes. No. You were such a like the rogue girl. Oh my God. You love like your simple knits or something. Okay. See, I want to hold... Mary-Kate and Ashley, call me. The row, please. Actually, not no. I was going to say a little bit of a moment for lesbians and headpieces. Alicia Keys you're speaking about. Alicia Keys you're speaking about. Okay.
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I literally just wanted to say that you can know exactly what I was talking about.
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Face, hair, body. And then we said the same thing when we were at your house about Stevie Wonder. We're like, Fits a bend going off. Looked good. Hat, beautiful. Yeah, it was working for me.
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Oh, I love Miley. Miley in the Aliyah was taking me out. Yeah. And then Miley announcing, Girl, who the fuck else is going to wear this Aliyah dress? You see me. I'm like, you are so ghetto, bitch. I love you.
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It uses your full body and your full brain and I love it. And I love healthy competition. Are you competitive? Absolutely. I have an older brother. I'm very competitive. I was like, I played football for years because I was like, I'm going to do this better.
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You're like, and what party are you going with actually?
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Wait, that's so crazy. Those are two names I did not think you were going to say first or second.
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Oh, they got that girl. But I feel like overall, like, a win is a win is a win. That was a great night for music. Music's greatest night. But it actually was. It really was.
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Yeah, that would have been a good performance if Miss Nosferatu, Lily-Rose Depp, rolled on out. I'm just a freak, yeah. And that's what I've been saying.
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For a bit. And then my dad was like, stick to ballet, you little girl. Actually, that's not true. He was like, this is so fun. She's going to be a lesbian. And they were all correct. But yeah, I was a sports head for a bit. I did also want a sister, though. And the funny thing is, as you're describing this tumultuous relationship, my toxic trait, I'm like, sign me up. Yeah.
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You know, it's been a while since I've cared about a swirl couple. I moved out of Bed-Stuy a while ago, okay? But when I tell you, oh, I locked in. When I woke up to Evan Nicole Brown's Instagram story, my, I shouldn't be speaking this language type of queen, who said, I don't even care that Rachel Kirk Connell did blackface.
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I am on her side of this war with former Bachelor star Matt James because they broke up in possibly the craziest way.
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Or sorry, something similar. In the same family. Oh my God.
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Yeah. So I did watch The Bachelor during, I think it was, like, COVID. Me and my mom locked in. This was the first Black Bachelor, Matt James. And season, arguably, so incredibly boring. But, like, he's Black, so it's different. And one of the girls on it is this, what my mother would call, Kardashian-looking kind of white girl. Oh, my God. I think her face is like normal and fine.
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This is Rachel you're talking about. This is Rachel, yeah. Makes it to basically the end, but at the end it comes out that she had participated. She's like dressed up for like a kind of plantation theme, like sorority formal at her college. Yeah. And obviously 2020 COVID, but also, yep, race war. And this is the long arc too of what gets Chris Harrison off the show for defending her.
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Yes, yes, yeah. He had chosen her, but they put a pause in their relationship. Kind of, honestly, I think he didn't even care. It feels like he just let it simmer. And then they decided to get back together and proceeded to date for four more years. Yeah.
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Well, she knows that it's, like, quote, important to him, but also, one, because it's lucrative, right? Like, that's their whole thing now. That's how they basically make a lot of their money is through this blog food content. But if you're dating someone where you go to, like, one shitty restaurant – okay, 100 would never survive any relationship – You would never see at the end of the meal.
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But, like, to have that much anxiety around booking a restaurant that basically, like, you can't take content at is crazy. Because what is that saying about your relationship?
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That she doesn't seem to really have... She's like an influencer, but... In the way that anyone that's on The Bachelor becomes an influencer. Yeah. You get them hundreds of thousands of followers to a certain degree. She might have actually more than that, but...
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Well, she sounds like she's on death's door right now, the way she's getting curb stomped left and right by her sister, by her own blood.
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I think the pivot in their relationship or where things started to sound crazy is like this one bad trip or like small fight actually then turned into like a deciding factor that their relationship, like he can't see a future with her and she's like someone he doesn't want to invest in anymore.
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Mind you, whole time posting on Instagram, she's in every single video like up until this deciding day of their relationship.
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And then the Instagram. I mean, it's one thing to be in the comments. It's another thing to be in CapCut, okay? Do you know how long it takes to edit videos like that? I've been in the trenches. Yeah, Hunter wouldn't know. I've been carrying the load here.
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But I'm like, you are taking the time to look at your partner's face over and over and edit over and over again and then press post and then follow up being like, I see a future. I see a family with this person. And a day later, he posts and let's talk about it. So let's start with the photo.
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The photo is a one crazy horizontal crop after all that Instagram work of the two of them from The Bachelor. Not an organic photo, something they've moved really far away from in their relationship. This is years out. Caption. Hunter, actually, can you bow your head for me? I need every head bowed, every eyes closed. Father God, give Rachel and I strength to mend our broken hearts.
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Give us a peace about this decision to end our relationship that transcends worldly understanding. Shower our friends and family with kindness and love to comfort us. And remind us that our joy comes from you, Lord.
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No, no, no, no. Right after a breakup announcement. Oh, it's giving suicidal.
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You might call Luigi. And I got another job for you. I'm saying kill shot.
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Listening to that, that was the hardest part for me for her to think about her friends and her family and all of like the people that are in her community that would obviously find out this information normally through her on her time have now found out hours after her breakup in a way that she had no control over and via a prayer. Yeah.
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It's just like weird. It makes your whole relationship look calculated. It looks like it undermines your entire relationship.
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And the authenticity. Oh, and the authenticity. What? Authenticity. Come on, Jesus. I'm having a really hard day. No, I'm helping. I feel like they spent so much time and effort trying to build and like is like in contrast to like the whole bachelor nation, bachelor world. It's like, look, real things can come from this. Yeah. It's like so fucking shitty. Men are so fucking stupid.
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Listen, bitches are too, but men are really, it's a whole nother level.
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And that's what I've been saying. I'm like, you know what? What's mine is mine. An equal opportunity death to the Instagram couple. I don't want straights. I don't want gays. I don't want guys. I don't think we need to be sharing all this stuff.
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Like Issa Rae, when she popped out with her boyfriend.
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I love what they come up with. Beast is so specific and crazy. Beast, slut, pig.
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Yeah, I feel like he'll probably share Taylor's version. You know, he'll do like his little bit of like, this is what happened and why I did it, which I'm so curious to hear whatever that is. There's no there's no explanation that justifies this. And then he'll just go back to normal posting his nasty ass food content. I don't like when men eat. I think it's weird.
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Well, Sarah Hagee, journalist and Scamfluencers co-host, resurfaced dozens of racist tweets from Carlos Sofia Gascon, the Oscar-nominated star of Amelia Perez. And, you know, Sarah, like, normally we ask, like, are you a lover, are you a hater? But I think we have our answer this week. And actually every week with you, to be honest, but. My favorite hater next to Hunter.
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Some of these white women, they have pen game. They've like been listening to Kendrick a little heavy. Not like us, haters rise. And like I will too. I'll get to work.
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Literally. Because there was like some person I was like, oh, like she ate that. And then Sarah was like, quote, who did it? No, she didn't. I said Sarah. Sarah. One day. Okay. We're going to, we have to put the shoulders down a little bit, but this time shoulders up. No shoulders for sure.
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How did you even come across the tweets in the first place, actually? Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. What was your first instinct when you saw them? Besides control shift four. And maybe control find some more.
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I thought for some reason that I was expecting more men to be involved, given not where I am right now in Roni. Like, I feel like a lot of the men. Oh, you're in the Simon era. Yeah. And Simon's up in everyone's business.
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Yeah. Oh, I got to a point, though, where he's like, someone's summoning the demon of him smoking cigarettes, like, out of his body right now. And I was like, see, this is a storyline I didn't even want to get to. Like, this is information I do not need.
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And you're like, what the, I love the Muslim friend, the black friend, the like Asian friend comes into play being like, well, I have a black friend. Like, I have a Muslim. It's very like, oh, so now you're really scrambling.
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Yeah. We loved your answer actually in the interview you did with Variety when you were asked about her tweets being an example of cancel culture. And you had said, quote, I entirely disregard those people intellectually on every level. I need to drop a mic for that one.
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Let's hold space for that. What has been the aftermath for you?
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Say that. Also, wait, I was going to say, do you love how I, look at me now. Our friend used to make fun of how I used to never. Oh, you've come so far. I've come so far. I'm engaging with your Real Housewives feelings. Because I'm an empath like that, you know.
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I could imagine that. It's a future I want to see.
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And that's a problem with... Never mind. Anyway.
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are too online so you don't have to be. Let me say this. Here is how Demi Moore can still win that Oscar. It's hers. And I want for Demi what we got for Beyonce. So let's wake that up. And if the only reason you're going to a restaurant is to post about it, straight to jail. Straight to prison. Follow us on socials at Peyton Dix and at Hunter H.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Payton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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And some bullies won big last night at the Grammys. Shout out to Kendrick Lamar.
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I didn't realize you didn't watch Bachelor season, but more on that. And we'll also be joined by journalist Sarah Hauge to talk Amelia Perez star Carla Sophia Gascon's pretty heinous tweets.
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And as she always does. That's an investigative journalist, let's say that.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space. To talk shit. But of course. From Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let Me Say This. Let Me Say This.
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Okay. You cry to be at the courthouse. Serving a look and an attitude.
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I had so much fun. And it made me almost like too much fun.
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What was your favorite performance and what was your least favorite performance?
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And it's been held. Thank you. Hold my finger. I don't want to do that right now. I'm not in a great space. Wow. You're not a lover yearner. Not today. Can I have a week off? Okay. My God. But album of the year, about damn time.
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Wait, I didn't think it was going to go to Billie. I actually thought it, not Taylor either. I thought it would possibly go to Charlié. Oh, for a moment. And then I was like, no, this is too, given the history of the Grammys, it would be too fucked up to give it to Taylor. And then I think this cultural like crossover moment and also Beyonce, you know, being long overdue. Yeah.
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I was like, it has to go to Beyonce or that would be fucking crazy. Yeah. They'd have a race riot on their hands again. Yeah. So.
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I can handle that. I'll rest right now. I know. Queen.
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How meaningful. I will say something to go back to, though. Speaking of the screaming, the volume at your house was astronomical.
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Well, you can't have more than three gay men in your home at one time. That's what I'm like. It's two maximum, okay? No, the noise was out of control. Two black women, three gay black men. No. The noise was out of control. We needed to turn down.
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You're a dreamer. You dream a lot. Sorry.
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But I'm also crying. We have to talk about the reaction moment. And I'm sure I was laughing at Beyonce's shock and awe, but really I was giggling at Blue Ivy looking at her up and down like, girl, get up. The fuck? Like, woo. The manager in her locked in. That is my she-e-o if I've ever seen one.
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she's just like me for real I would be like mom scoot over but you know that was kind of moment of my life I feel like okay so now what other oh do you want to talk about Kendrick LA girl I mean yeah more honestly I feel like my LA pride gets more usurped by your hater pride like I sure am like finally like a win I love him from LA I was hoping he would shout out bottom hills but he's like I don't know you bitches are too uppity out there like Compton is real different than like
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a Ladera-Balton Hills moment, and that's okay. We still are on at least the same side of LA. But Hunter, I could sense it in her chest being like, the real winners are not LA natives. The real winners are fucking haters, petty bitches.
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You lost me there, but I will agree with you in allyship. Something I do want to talk about before we actually get to best and worst performances, I just need to hold space for a little bit. I love a bitch who flips. Benson Boone has got me. I don't know why, but that... That jumpsuit, those karate kicks, those theatrics. He is so, he is the last straight man on earth, actually.
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I don't believe any men are straight, but that man is a heterosexual in that tight little blue deep V situation singing that gospel song. Oh my God.
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I feel like you were slow to love, slow to start.
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But no, no, no. Aaron Taylor Johnson, knockoff. Aaron Taylor Johnson's little brother in Bushwick. Sit with it. He just needs once he gets a stylist, you'll see it. Once he stops, once he keeps his feet on the ground, you'll see it because he's moving too much.
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Okay. But let's get to the meat of it all. Okay. Let's get to the women for once.
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I mean, that was my, if we want to start off with the worst performances, we can start there. It's one thing to not be able to hit the notes, but not even the moves. She was really reaching for that electric slide. Oh my God.
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Why does Diana Ross have to see that? We were like, Hunter's reaction when Diana Ross came out, all the gays yelling, mother! And Hunter yelling, I'm so sad she had to see that performance.
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It was giving no budget. The white girl and the man in the glitter suit. I was like. The white girl in that busted outfit as a transition. Maybe she's big in the country world and shout out to her for whatever she does. But using her as a transition. You can't be big enough in the country world to wear that outfit. I mean, no. Country bitches sometimes. That's your culture more.
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Kacey Musgraves. Stop calling. Anyway, her transition was crazy to go from, who was it? Janelle Monae? Yeah. No, no, no.
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Yeah. It was just, that was a mess. That was a hot mess.
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Oh, yeah. But she sounded great, so I don't give a fuck. And she looked incredible. She did. She did. Dress was cunt. And speaking of cunt, speaking of the original cunt, capital C, I don't even know if I can say that this many times on the podcast, but I did. Dochi. Oh, I thought you were going to say chapel. Popping that gum on stage.
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You ever get into the trenches at a game night? They hit her crutches at Game Night. And honestly, that'll happen to you at a game night. Game nights will bring out the worst in you. Let me say that. You love a game. What's your game of choice? Not Uno. Sorry. I love this game called Fishbowl. You know, I have like an annual game night. It's so fun. It's the best night of the year.
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He only got that one hit and I ride behind him, but like, just let him be there and have fun in Michael's, his too tight suit. But yeah, that performance was fucking outstanding. The production value, the Tom Brown, you know who the real winner of the night? Tom Brown. Tom Brown. Sorry, Beyonce, it was Tom Brown.
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Then that kind of was a bummer because I normally love the production value that Chapel brings to a performance.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome back, Oklahoma. Oof. Oklahoma slut. Sorry, your parents listened to this. Nope. Oh, the wickedly talented Patel Dixie. Oh, wait. I'm kind of serving alphabeties right now. No, that's why I'm saying that. You're wearing green and black. Yeah. Well, sorry. Real lesbians, like I said, won. Lesbians and lesbians won.
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And people forgot that, but I haven't. Just like actually stuck with me. Thanks. That was one of the sex scene between Vi and Caitlyn woke me up spiritually, emotionally, sexually. Again, the animation was great. I didn't realize like I get now why people watch like animated porn actually. Like I see the appeal. I will say that.
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My favorite character though, definitely Vi, but Jinx ends up at the end of season two, I end up being like Jinx hive forever, echo hive for life. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hannah, you know, I know she's evil as fuck, but I love that Bush mother. And Bessa. And Bessa doesn't play no games.
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Like, she was just giving, she was doing so much. Like, the biggest lesbian on the show is not Vi or Caitlyn. The biggest lesbian is the butch mom, Mbessa. Like, she's working overtime. Or also the butch dad, Vander. Vander, Vander, Vander. Oh, who comes back as a Wolverine. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. What? But sometimes it's okay not to know. I wasn't asking too many questions.
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My mom was like, well, I know we were just too much in your space last time. And I was like, well, I mean, you were here for a week, like a full seven days. Yeah. That's a lot for my apartment. Tuesday to Thursday? No, no, no, last time they, last year. Oh, oh, oh, I see, I see.
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Yeah. Yeah. Something that does need to be investigated is the swirl agenda on this show.
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To a degree that is, like, outrageous. I'm like, we get it. But Kamala lost, so I don't know. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. Shout out to biracial people. That's my people. I forgot. Shout out to biracials. I sound like Wendy Williams. Oh my God. Wait, you know what we need to talk about? What? The imagining dragons.
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I love Imagine Dragons now. Call me a dragonite, whatever you want to, I don't know what their stans are called, but I play that whole intro all the way through. It's really good.
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It speaks to the show. That's like... But there's some good, you haven't gotten to the scene yet, but Ashnikko, who I think is like a perfect person. It's Ashnikko and Young Miko both have songs on the soundtrack as well, which I think are, and both of them are really like queer, but I think they're both lesbians actually. Like Ashnikko has like long blue hair, very similar to Jinx.
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So she was like, you know, we just didn't want to, I was like, no, you just didn't want to pay $500 more to fly out later. Yeah. And let's be, make sense. You know, financially responsible, but also honest. But yeah, I did a, on Wednesday, I did a photo shoot with my mother. Ooh. And she kind of out-served me, which is...
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Like it's so cool that they tapped musicians that are not only gay, but also fit perfectly in line for this soundtrack in this world. So I felt really like excited at this one redemption arc moment. that you will get to with Jinx, and then young Miko starts playing, and it just feels, again, like so... What lesbians are behind this show?
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I actually Googled the creators of the game, and they are all white twinks, like little white men, but they are allies. They're doing the real work.
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I loved The Last of Us, but everyone tells me that's the wrong take. I thought it was so good. I thought specifically, not the gay episode that everyone fawned over, but the young black kid, the brother episode was phenomenal. I really liked it. And I heard that that game is like really complex and fun to play. I've heard less good things about this game, actually.
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I heard more people feel taken with the show than the game itself. So that's kind of interesting to me. But I...
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Maybe I sound really daft saying this, but I do think pulling from, instead of just remaking a show that's already existed or a movie that's already existed, I think it's really cool to pull from a video game world because there's so much craft and writing and care and time that goes into making a game. And you know how I know that?
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Because Hunter recommended me a book about a few years ago that, what was it called? Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow. And I felt like I finally opened my mind and opened my heart to video games after reading that book.
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Hunter is a prison of the capitalist society. You might as well say Monopoly. Bitch, I... First of all, you love Monopoly. Yeah, I know. I hate that you remember things.
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Hunter said, I'm making this game for you. I'm doing it for you and your family.
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Oh my goodness. That's a bad bitch who's never smoked a cigarette. Your mother. Yeah.
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The last thing she said to me before dropping me off at Emerson College, literally the last words were... Don't date a smoker. And then leaves. And then leaves Boston and goes back to LA.
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Two weeks ago, we talked about Wicked with Chris Murphy, and he gave us all the details on his Vanity Fair profile of Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo. And now we've locked in. We've seen it. And Hunter's going to be sick of me. In the next 15 minutes, she's going to be walking out the door. I'll tell you that. I'm going to say also, spoiler alert for Wicked.
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I did. I'm in a green and black striped shirt, and I don't give a fuck.
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No, no, it would never have happened. You would have kept me in that nasty hat and been like, no, dance, bitch. Yeah. This is a solo. This ain't no duet. I knew you would too. Nasty. Okay, so you loved it. Tell me what you loved about it. I loved it. And for the record, I should say I have never seen Wicked on Broadway.
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I am gay, so I do know all the songs, of course, but I had never seen it before. I didn't really have any kind of relationship to Wicked as a young person. I think it just got so popular when I... was maybe curving out of my musical theater era and just focusing on dance. Interesting. Dance background.
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And so when I came into this theater, I didn't expect to feel so emotional, but I cried three times.
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I was like, I did a face mask, bitch. You always pay attention. Where did the flop sweat come from? I said, can you focus on the point? Can you focus on my emotions? And she went to focus on my forehead. Typical.
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And did. But what about you? How was your Thanksgiving? How was home?
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Their relationship? Their relationship, which we will get into this in a second, because it was literally like, have you ever fallen in love with your best friend? Me? Ten times. Probably will do it again tomorrow. And it's like, they're... Watch out, Hunter. To cross as her leg scoots over.
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There's just something that's obviously, there are so many queer layers that are funny, but also kind of serious and so beautiful about how romantic platonic friendship can be. Platonic as much as we know. But I really, honestly, why I was crying, not the storyline. Cynthia motherfucking Erivo. Wow. God gave her a gift. I'm being so serious right now. Like she is so... talented.
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And I knew that, I guess. Like I've heard her sing. I've seen clips at least on YouTube. Did you see her in Color Purple? I've seen clips on YouTube. Okay. And I obviously from this press tour, like did a little refresh and was just like, there's something that's so special and so uniquely hers and will only ever be hers. And the things that she can do with her voice is crazy.
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The Wizard and I defying gravity. I was like sweating. I'm sweating right now talking about it. I listened to it again after I watched the movie. I started crying again. And I said, Cynthia Erivo, cheat. Cheat whenever you want. Here's the keys to my house. You said blank check powers to Cynthia Erivo. Whatever you need. I would like understand. I hear her singing and I understand. Okay.
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I can't say the same for Lena Waithe, but I can say the same for Cynthia Erivo. I was moved physically and emotionally by her performance. You were more impacted by her, do you think, than you were Ariana? Yes. I would say I was so impressed by Ariana because I think a lot of people, I think she had doubters. I think she had haters.
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Coming from such a specific pop – well, she did theater before, but such a specific pop background and vocalist to doing this. So outstanding. But honestly, less on the singing, the comedy, the comedic timing. Ariana Grande and the hierography of it all. Shout out to her right foot that's always pointed out. She had such great physical comedy and such great timing. I was really impressed.
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Excuse me. Where are my background singers? Let me see that card again. Let me see that card again. That's for Aaron Edwards only.
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Yeah. And I'm going to say what needs to be said, that role should have gone to Cheryl Lee Ralph. Yeah, absolutely. Even in that one clip. The one clip of her botting her on the carpet. Did she do it on Broadway? Is that how she's so familiar? I mean, I think just any theater kid that's ever done, I mean, Shirley Ruff, not a theater icon, but like anyone knows Wicked kind of thing.
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So it's just like in your bones if you're into musical theater or do musical theater. But like even just that one carpet interview where she like does, I think like two seconds of Is It The Wizard and I, I think, or some song. Bodied Michelle Yeoh in that moment. I said, I'm so sorry to a queen. I hate to pit legends against each other. I really do.
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But even in that one clip and knowing Shirley Ralph's work and background, even though this wasn't a super singing heavy role, I still feel like she would have taken it. Michelle Yeoh didn't do it for me. Mother, mother to many, blah, blah, blah. You know, we stand. But just not in this.
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Wait, I know how that list of people that auditioned came out. Did they? He auditioned? I don't remember who auditioned. I have no idea.
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I guess I just didn't even care too much about it. But it was fine to me. All of it was fine. You know who was, besides holding space for a moment, holding space for our sister Bowen Yang. Talk about fucking comedic timing. Just even just like the few lines that were delivered were absolutely perfections. Even just the side, I even didn't have to say anything. God bless Bowen Yang.
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And now I have to take it to my man. I gotta take it to my man. I gotta talk about someone who has sexual chemistry with a wall.
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I don't know. I don't know. Anytime I talk about a man, Hunter gets nervous. I need a moment for Jonathan Bailey. He has sexual chemistry with air. He has sexual chemistry with a wall. He has sexual chemistry with me right now.
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I agree. I think the Bridgerton kids get pushed out too fast in this way that's like, oh my God, next rising star. And it's like, maybe not. Maybe they're not the next rising star.
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I'm so happy for her. I love that. I'm sure John M. Chu got that take and said, oh, no, we got it. Oh, no, we got it. Don't even do another thing. That was perfect. Because that was a crazy sound. He's like, everyone leave this up. We're done. Stop down. We're done for the day. I'm curious. What is your relationship with musical theater?
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I obviously am very annoyingly a musical theater head, but I'm curious, like, was Wicked a moment for you?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to take us somewhere real quick. Take me there. I'm going to take you to – Because I was like, was there any time that people were watching this without thinking that these were lesbians? Like, let's sit with these lyrics. Actually, do you want to read them? No. Okay. No. Drew said I'm not that good of an ally. Don't worry. What is this feeling so sudden and new?
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I felt the moment I… I laid eyes on you. Wait, that's actually something I do love is in musical theater, like such an earworm is to be like, I'm singing something and then I stop. To say something? So fun. Okay, keep the lyrics, please. My pulse is rushing. My head is reeling. My face is flushing. Bitch, your pussy is pulsing. That's what's going on. I was like, this is a lesbian. Like, loathing.
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Okay, lesbian-ing. For your face, for your voice, for your clothing. For your clothing is a hyper-specific queer thing. For your clothing, gave it away. Yeah, for your clothing. Just knowing you, yeah. Yeah, you think this belongs to me? You think this top belongs to me?
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And that's on being a lesbian. I was like, oh, these were always dykes. I don't know why anyone was ever thinking something different. Like, that's crazy to me.
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He's like, that's what they're doing right now. I was being sarcastic. We gotta get them on the pod.
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Hunter was like, I understand having to be nice when you could just be a bitch. I always go back and forth. I never know who's Cynthia and who's not. Let me be clear. I never know who's Elphaba and who's Glinda.
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OK, so what do we think Wicked Part 2 will be seated? Absolutely. Immediately. I'm seated right now. I'm on my way to the theater after this.
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Literally me. And you? Yeah, of course. I want to see how it ends. I have to ask you specifically, do you think Oscar noms are going to come from this? And if so, for who? Ooh, interesting.
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And she deserves a nom. Yeah. I didn't say anything about a win, but a nom would be lovely.
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Who else is on The View? The redhead. Joy Behar. That's who they love. They ride for Joy Behar.
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No, no, no. We live in hell. We live in hell. And that just confirmed it. Wow.
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And then is Whoopi like Hailey Bieber? Is Whoopi the Hailey Bieber of The View?
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Okay. You still right over here. And you are the Molly to my life, actually.
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Keep working. I don't know. I want to see her go. Ariana, maybe Nikki?
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I pressed play so fast and I booked my flight home after listening to this album. I felt like I'm not even kidding. I literally did. Well, one of the flights were going up, so it was time. But like I immediately texted like my L.A. friend group chat just being like, I'm on my way and like I'm returning to my roots. And I think it's so fun.
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I always thought that I would be destined for school spirit. Like that's always something I think I thought that I wanted. You do have like class president energy for sure. Yeah. Multiple years in a row, obviously, of course. Popular brag. Popular. Anyway. But I specifically listened to Dodger Blue and was like, this is such a fucking good song. I love being from L.A. Oh, it's so fun.
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And specifically, there's a part about don't talk about hating on L.A. when you don't even take the fucking 10. Because a lot of you little motherfucking transplants that live in Silver Lake and Echo Park and have only seen that little bubble, don't talk to me if you don't know what Baldwin Hills or Ladera Heights is or Inglewood is. I don't want to hear it. Okay? First you go is what, downtown?
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Get a grip. Mm-hmm. Get a grip and look at the housing crisis that you've caused there actually. But yeah, being from LA is, sorry, awesome. It's awesome. You got an Oklahoma and an LA. We'll get there.
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I'm going to be rejecting. I'm going to be fucking jerking. Gloria, great too. And I really liked Hey Now.
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visual like you're really like it's more of a narrative and less of a like boxing with my demons but like Kendrick Lamar similar to Hunter Harris is empowered by being a hater the minute you make me petty the minute you burn a bridge I'm activated and that's what happens to your people so I get the LA pride and you get the petty princess pride so that's true That's true. We're co-parenting.
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Hold on. That's actually a beautiful way to look at it. Um, okay. Wait, what do we think is going to come from this? So do we think it's just fine? Like, I guess I get confused with like filing versus like, is he, is he going to take him to court?
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Okay, so they're keeping their fingers on the pulse. Yeah, no, I was like, hmm. Yeah, you need a podcast. Yeah, totally. You should pitch them. Let me say this. Hunter also allegedly, heavy on the allegedly, I have a PI on the case right now. Cooked. Cooked a full meal. Cooked a whole Thanksgiving meal.
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be. Can I say shout out to my little guy, Heimerdinger? And shout out to my queen sis, Jinx. Thank you, John Chu, for making me both more gay and more annoying than I've ever been.
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I wish that would happen. So I could pinch his little cheek just like in that little video. That got you good. Follow us on socials at PainDicks and at Hunter H. And remember to head to Wondery Plus for a bonus chat about the Lindsay Lohan renaissance.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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Like, if I'm watching the dancing and I'm noticing the feet aren't touching the ground, there's something wrong with the movie.
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I don't know. I'll wait until I taste it. In my Martha era. I'll wait until it's in my mouth and I can prove it. But we'll see. You will not get a plate for my house. Good for me. You will not. You are not offering me a plate at the cookout. Not with this attitude. Not with this attitude. Good morning, good morning, good morning. Not you. You can choke is literally what you just said to me. Nasty.
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No, I'm staring down the barrel of the camera. Don't you worry. Toxic Lesbian Rights. Just a warning, this is going to be a very gay episode, so lock in and keep your carabiners close. Don't forget that we also have a bonus segment that drops every Thursday, only on Wondery+. This week, we're talking about Lindsay Lohan's renaissance, sort of, and her new movie, Our Little Secret.
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So subscribe to Wondery+, in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts to check that out.
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Are you a hater first and a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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There is life before arcane and there is life after. And it's called heterosexuality and then homosexuality. And I finally got Hunter on the right side. Spoiler alert, if you haven't finished, we're talking about season one and season two. So skip ahead about 15 minutes if you don't want us to ruin a few things for you. Mostly gay things.
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I got into this show because I was watching King Princess's stories. Shout out to the Macy Heiress, Michaela.
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No, you don't. You don't love her the way I love her. Okay, that's fair. Hunter's bi awakening, that's still happening. She's still rubbing the dirt out of her eyes, was and is King Princess. Look at everyone on my Spotify wrapped. K.P. 's there. It's like to a humiliating degree. Yeah. And a hunter's always like, I mean, if you look at her exes, not too far off. And that is true, actually.
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I hate it when your dude's trying to kiss me. That couldn't be more wrong. Okay, we love and we respect King Princess, I swear. The bend. I'm done with you. Put a pin in it. My God, I hate an ally. There's nothing worse than an ally, let me tell you that. But King Princess had posted on her Instagram story the song that she wrote for Arcane. I had no idea what Arcane was.
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It was not even on anything promoted on my Netflix account. But I saw two hot animated girls kissing. So I opened Netflix immediately, obviously. I'm such a loser like that.
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I was like, where is this all coming from? My close friends was literally just me sobbing watching this show. Hunter was like, go touch grass. I actually need you to get out the house.
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Like I said, worst thing is an ally. They pretend to get the cause. Let me tell you what it's about. Bring us in. Let me tell you what it's about. Okay. So it's a Netflix show.
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It follows two sisters, Vi, who is the hot redhead that I am keeping my eyes peeled for, and her younger sister, Jinx, formerly known as Powder, on opposite sides of a civil war between Piltover, which is kind of the above-ground, affluent, uppity community, and Zahn, the underground, poor community that's just across the bridge.
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And the show is based on a video game I've also never heard of called League of Legends. But, you know, now I'm going to be a gamer. I'm going to pivot because I love the show so much that maybe I would enjoy the game too.
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Oh, you want to start beef with Jersey? Okay. That's Hunter Yvonne Harris. Yeah. Not Peyton Lindsay Dix. I just want that on the record. It was not me who said that. Girls, have you seen The Sopranos? Like, you've got to be careful.
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I was just going to ask. Who did it for you? The wise old raccoon. Yeah. The know-it-all. Heimerdinger. What a crazy name, actually. That was, I kept being like, let's be serious. It kind of sounds like a slur. It does. And it really, it really does. The only animal?
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Because one time, Dodger, my mom's dog, farted, and it made a noise. And he looked like, what the hell?
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And that's Remy for you. That's true. True. That's your side. But it will look kind of hardheaded. Yeah. He's a HBIC for a moment.
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The magic got me. So shout out to Jace, a baddie, but really actually one of my least favorite characters in the end. He just annoyed me. He was very. The scientist. Yeah. The scientist. Yeah. The apprentice. The apprentice. The magic of it all, I will say, I got lost. I got a little lost. I had to rewind a few times. I had to clean my glasses. But I think my glasses, that's enough.
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So, Hunter is such a thief of the night. I was watching this show and my immediate reaction to it was like, one, this animation is great. It's so well done. It's so intricate. And also the costuming, the hair, especially the black hair is so beautiful. Like I think that that was something that felt like really... The black characters hair you mean?
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Yeah, the characters that are black, their hair, whether it's like dreads, whether it's like it's so, so, so detailed and so, so, so intricate. And it's so beautifully done. And I also felt myself like just so captivated by this story in a way that I didn't expect because I wasn't... I'm not really into...
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Besides Avatar The Last Airbender, like, animation or any kind of even, like, anime-style shows?
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Brooklyn. Yeah, it was great. I mean, my parents actually, my parents, they're divorced. Don't worry. They're not in my house. But my mom and my brother at least came over kind of quick though. They got in like late Tuesday, maybe around 10 p.m. and then left Friday morning at like the ass crack of dawn. So it was kind of a quick trip. Wow. They said, pack us a plate to go. In and out.
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I think I have, like, I'm on episode five. Okay. Then I'll not spoil it for you. Okay. But Powder Jinx makes a comeback in a way that I, she ends up being, I will say, my favorite character.
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And Hunter screenshot it so fast and I was like, disgusting. Yeah. I can't trust her. Wait, I actually do want to go back and ask, who were some of your favorite characters and who were some of your least favorite characters? Definitely, like I said, the little wise raccoon.
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They've just been kissing. They've been kissing all the way. They're just smooching. Oh, they are fucking for real. I was, like, not expecting to get, like, nervous. Like, I was looking at my screen like, oh, gosh. Like, if I could blush, but I'm black, I would blush.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Girl, how are you doing? I am good, actually. But I am good because I just hit 50 days of being sober. Oh. What is that roaring round of applause? Oh. People falling to their knees. Great. Yeah. But I will say, the thing about sobriety that is difficult, I thought that going out would feel harder, but it actually is totally normal and fine.
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And two things can be true at once. But I was going to ask you, if we're going to that, do you think that he was taking the drugs or that there's a deeper story that's happening here?
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Not aesthetically. He looks like a Ken doll to me or not even like an off budget one.
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Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. Big spoiler. I also really don't like and I really want to like, I think her name is Dr. Moran. Is she the one? She's the one that's like, she's slow-mo. Oh, yeah. That they call her slow-mo. And she like takes her time and she's very, I'm like kind of like, she's too goody two-shoes to me in a way that I kind of want her to get hit a little bit.
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Just a backhand. Just like a, come on, let's go. We have business to do. We have lives to save.
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Something that I think tonally in the show, like speaking of her and that character type, that doesn't always land for me, but I do wish was the way more people communicated, is how easily resolved everything is when someone's like, hey, I think you might have been a little bias against like, or fat phobic. And she's like, whoa, me that actually I'll sit with that.
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And I'm going to think about what you just brought to me. And you know what I'm going to do is I'm going to adjust my language. So next time I'll do better. Thanks for that. I'm like a white woman acting like that in what world? I was like, what?
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I think that's where, if anyone is not drinking right now or looking for an alternative, Ghia ginger and then like the sumac and chili one are actually my sisters. But really, Hunter's like, I don't care about this. I'm drinking. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, I'm charmed by most of the patients. I just find myself pulling out of these moments. Sometimes I get a little bit too after school special where it's like the daughter walks in, her mother's hurt. And she's like, I mean, it all goes back to 1998. That was when we first had, it's like, well, hold on. Like people don't really communicate like this.
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And that's like, maybe some do, but we can't all be open, honest creatures at some point. It's But I'm fine with that. I understand that it has that after school special feel that obviously I'm an after school special type of bitch. So it works for me in the end. But I do find myself laughing. Yeah.
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And I hate blood. I do often have to go like this when I'm watching so that I don't, I cannot do blood. I can feel it in my toes. I go numb. I hate it. But I, every single night, every single day, every single hour, I lock into the pit and I press play. Something that I think about when I'm watching it though is every time we have a COVID flashback, I'm like, oh yeah, COVID.
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And I simply forgot that. as someone who isn't in the medical industry, how really crazy and difficult that time was and how traumatic it must be and how all these doctors and nurses are still dealing with the pain of that. And just how impressive it is to work in the ER because they're delivering babies. They're intubating every single person, pumping ketamine out every which way.
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And I think that it's one of the few shows that I, one, don't mind a COVID integration and two, find it actually quite necessary to really think about how this wasn't a distant future and how this is still so traumatizing and so difficult for so many people that work in the healthcare industry. My God.
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she's like girl I'm having a glass of wine right after this podcast but I I understand that I'll never understand but girl but I'll stand she still stands I'll stand see I knew it I will say my life has been changed for the better from the up I don't know how to pronounce it. A-P-O-L-S, a Paul's or something.
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I could survive watching the pit. I could not survive working in the pit.
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When that boy got pissed on. No, I'm clogging out. Here's my bat. Nope. I'm out. I'm done.
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You'd be a good nurse. You'd be able to, you like yelling at people.
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Just to be transparent. Okay. We're on this podcast. We tell the truth. All right. So Hunter and I are allies to the pause up community. We are here with you. We stand with you. We see you little monsters. We see each other. But we really needed to make sure that we had a true proper TM Gaga gay with us to talk about mayhem.
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It's only right. And thank God today with us, we have DJ Louie, the 14th period, DJ, writer, host of podcast, Pop Pantheon. Thank you for joining us. This will be an educational format more than anything else, but we're so happy to have you here.
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They have a margarita, like non-alcoholic drink that it tastes like we're about to turn into those white women from White Lotus, bitch. And we're about to talk some shit. Okay. I'm swirling that thing like it's real on a nice little big ice cube, a little squeeze of lime. Oh, we're so bad.
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You have to love knowledge. You have to love women. You have to love pop. Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Lover, hater, or pop?
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I am saying, I was like, why is this feeling spiritual to me? I feel the presence of God in the room with us right now. Like something's happening.
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Okay, another divisive album. Lover, hater, Joanne.
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I love the way you said that. That's what I'm seeing on the streets. That's what I'm seeing on the gay man streets. Like, they're smoking cigs again. We're putting the vapes down. We're listening to old Gaga. We're returning to our roots. Yeah.
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No, I was just... That is so... You are so auntie-coded, Hunter.
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She's got something up her sleeve. But that's, knowing Hunter, it's like exactly. Exactly me. Like that makes exact sense that that was your entry point into Lady Gaga.
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Nerd tech works, nerd tech works. Let's say that.
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I mean, look at her album, look at the results. What is nerd tech actually?
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She opens a dungeon. She's like, oh shit, y'all are still here. All right.
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She like, she starts like, what can I, yeah, what can I feed you right now?
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And her little break of taking, what was, what's her, house labs? That's where I got nervous. That's where I, once the pivot, the pivot to beauty, unless you're Selena Gomez.
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You're not saying no. No, no, no. Can I quickly ask you what you thought about 5'2"? Did you watch the documentary?
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She is falling to those knees over and over again. It's crazy. No, it's athletics. As a 30-year-old now, oh, my God, pain. Yeah.
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My favorite sound in the universe is Remy's paws running on that hardwood floor.
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The serotonin rush of walking or driving to that song, it's different.
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Hunter, hunter. Wait, with stuff around their eyes is actually, that's crazy. They want you dead. Whoever that was. Oh my God.
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Okay, you tweeted something about one of Mayhem's tracks sounding like a Taylor Swift song. Sure. You must legally say more on the record.
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And there is a Swiftie in the room with us right now, so like, I would say.
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Mindfulness is just important in this conversation.
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Wait, how old is Remy? Is she a teenager now? In like dog years, whatever that is?
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Perfect. Thank you so much. We love it. Thank you. Thank you both so much.
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I sit back, I just scroll my, I'm like, that's crazy. No, she did what? That's awesome. But which Housewives franchise are we doing today? Where are we going today?
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I just wanted a straight answer, by the way, but I'll take what I can get these days.
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But I just saw a quote that she said that she is open to coming back.
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You're like, and I love that. And I want that actually.
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You're like, that would actually be great. Speaking of reboots, how would you compare the Roni reboot cast to... The Real Hostels of Atlanta reboot cast.
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Okay. And I knew you would take it there. Oh, you're so nasty. You always got to get a lick back. That's one thing about you.
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Can I break the fourth wall? Break it. That's going to be us. Listen, tussle.
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Is it confirmed that she did that or is that like more speculative?
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello. And the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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And we're joined by DJ Louie the 14th, yes, to discuss Lady Gaga's new album, Mayhem. We legally needed a Gaga Gay to come talk to us about this.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no, no. We're calling you in.
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But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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I thought that would be more difficult for me. Mm-hmm. And I love to judge. So I love to watch people act a fool. And I also still act a fool, but just more conscious of the way I'm doing it. But the thing that is hard is like, I have only been ordering soda water bitters and I'm done. Oh, yeah. And the soda water and bitters combo. It tastes like dirt.
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I have to give credit where credit is due. In my breakup, Meg was like, maybe just get your head out of the game and like, out of the game, and watch The Pit. And at that time, I was so broken down bad. I was like, not now, Meg. Our friend Meg Zukan. Who we love and adore. Yes. But I was like, stop trying to push this show on me. Like, this is not the part of healing I'm on.
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And then I came up for air and I pressed play and I had to apologize to her for holding back. I should have hopped into the pit sooner.
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Okay, you phrased that, though, as if the doctors are railing ketamine. And I was like, wait.
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We're going to make a Max and Isa out of you, though. You need to be watching the show. But the way you phrased that and the way you have said that to me before, I was like, Hunter, like, wait, they're not doing ketamine. Hold on. But, yeah, ketamine really – Maybe she's that girl, even though I can say on the record, she's not that girl for me. Unfortunately, I try. I give it a good honest try.
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But I will say I have no history with medical dramas. I was never really into like Grey's or ER or I feel like there's a third main one I'm missing. But did you watch any of those shows? Do they mean anything to you? And, you know, does this feel different if you have?
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Not yet. There is a one storyline that we'll get into later when we unpack some of the characters that I'm kind of like, now kiss. And it's not who you think it is, but.
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I'm like, why are we doing this to ourselves if we have other options? I'm not into mocktails because I don't want to pay $15 for juice.
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Yeah, I'm just kind of, I think it's fine to have like a few, I don't know if this, I mean, I love mess, but I feel like let's just all let it go. We're doing something different here. And it seems like they're shooting this on the smallest of budgets to just like, I mean, the shaky, the hand, handheld camera for everything. I do kind of like, but I'm also like. That's called mise-en-scene.
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What are you talking about? Oh my gosh. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It's giving Max, it has, what, Max? Oh my God, I never called that. HBO is like, here's $2 in a dream. Go make magic and come back to us.
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No, Robbie, when I first was just scrolling on Twitter, seeing more and more pit memes, honestly, that was probably one of the more convincing factors to me to be like, okay, I'm feeling left out. I'm having FOMO and I want to understand what's going on. But I did not understand the appeal of this man. I was like, him is who we're all being horny over?
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So I started trying some non-alcoholic spritzes. I went down the kin. My name is Bella Hadid Road. And that's not my girl. Maybe with some lime. Again, it's giving glorified juice. I guess it's good for like if you want to calm your nerves or whatever. And then I'm like on this journey and this hunt, I tried the Gia. Have you tried Gia?
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He seemed like your type. I immediately got the fan cams of my girl with the tight braid.
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She is like one of the maybe intern girls, glasses, tight, low braid, blonde, has an autistic sister.
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I love her character so much. I love her so much. I will say that I understood. I just looked at her and I said, I get it. Yeah. Dr. Robbie, I did it. But again, me and these four headlines, something's coming up with that that I'm going to unpack later. But I, once I clocked into the pit, once I signed my waiver, I went in, I filled out my medical forms. I said, Robbie, can I call you Robbie?
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that man, his integrity, the way he takes care.
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No, I'm like, he's so deliberate. He's so firm.
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Her bob is something serious. Her glasses and her cigarette smoking and her voice. Her voice is really the sexy voice. It really is. She can mount a TV, actually.
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Wait, can you tell me some of your favorite characters and some of your least favorite characters?
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I was going to say get it together. Oh, you know their names? Oh, you know their names? Well, I wrote them down because we have a podcast.
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Oh, wait. Oh, the black woman with the short hair.
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I was going to say, is that mean, surly individual in the room with us right now?
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obviously Dr. Robbie obviously Myrna I just love like a character that's just a fixture in the space like yes you haven't watched know that Myrna is just like an old hag with the she's in a wheelchair and she's handcuffed to it at all times and she's constantly trying to get out of it I also love the I think he's like an unhoused man that is always asking for a sandwich he's just like me for real oh yes yes he said I'm coming hungry I'm leaving happy I love him yeah
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I will say Dana Evans, that's a charge nurse and who I don't like. Yes, Dr. Santos or the intern Santos. That's like.
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Oh. There might be a fizzy version of it, but the original one, and I say this with so much love and respect in my heart, tastes like licking the floor. Tastes like dirt. Yeah. But, and I'm so sorry to the Ghia girls. I think that they're great people and the bottle is beautiful. But I did try the canned version.
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Her attitude problem is annoying. Her like willing to make you like me. OK, are we in seventh grade, Cody?
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I would love to have the honor. Yeah, I can see you guys talking some shit. We are not like intimate friends. I grew up with Tallulah Willis, her daughter, who's lovely and amazing. And we were like friends in middle school and by proxy came to Kabbalah. once or twice and learned a lot. Actually, I wasn't paying attention, I think. I just was like, I think I'm the only black person here.
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And then Tallulah was like, are you okay? I'm like, yeah, we'll see. And then it was a chill time. Famously, Tallulah and Demi graciously took me to the, I guess it's like the celebrity all-star game. Graciously until I was photographed this historic photo that lives on Getty.com.
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And Hunter, when Hunter saw that, when I brought it up, because I look busted beyond belief. And Hunter, look to the camera, please, and tell the audience what you said I looked like. What I said? Say it. It's okay.
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You know what I mean? Yes. And I was wearing my older brother's Allen Iverson jersey because I'm thinking we're going to a basketball game. This is basketball attire. You are me as hell. But of course I'm like an idiot and a slut. And I like a slut. I'm eight years old. I did that little tie thing.
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And I tied it and I flipped it up so I had a little crop top showing. Cunt. That was before my time.
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But truly like lovely, lovely woman from my brief interactions and Tallulah is the sweetest and the best.
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Oh, okay. I thought it was like a hungies had reported in live and told you the news.
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Yeah, love you. Let's do more of that. Well, I love her as a physical actress and she's just, like, because she's a dance background, like, I love watching the way her body moves.
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With Shia LaBeouf. That Olivia took her name off of. Yes. Some of her best work, unfortunately, is in this music video.
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I like Anepo Baby. I don't mind them. I don't mind them, Tallulah. Love you, girl. And you know who I don't mind either? Margaret Qualley. I think she's a good actress.
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Did you know I got blocked by my one drug dealer that I had once?
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I was like, don't express yourself. Do less of that. Okay. You know what I really appreciate in a movie is especially something that you never know if it's going to be kind of cult classic and you're huge is when they appeal to the annoying gay. Like Halloween is going to be awesome this year.
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I don't know if I should say that on this podcast, but it's out there now. Ava DuVernay? That's who blocked you? And imagine, she's going to come for you next, claiming that she's a drug dealer. No, no. Yeah, I tried to pick up for a friend one time and ended up getting blocked by that drug dealer. They're like, don't lose my number.
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Maybe these days they're, you know, open-minded, but I love that. I love when like a movie lends itself to costuming in a really fun way or like an easy repeatable kind of look.
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The way that she puts it on even though she's wearing a red dress out to a date one time. Oh, yes. So it's like you are making some crazy choices including this body double of yours. But all in all, out of 10, what would you give it? You can be honest.
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Yeah, I got a little Moulin Rouge at a point with him in a way that I didn't like.
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I would watch her be birthed just to murder her. You'll never be me. Okay, but Martha Stewart would. She's also a try-anything-once kind of girl. Okay. Sure.
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Alty, no shade. So... More on that. You know what I mean? She would do it wrong. She would, like, miss her veins. She would, like, do, I don't know. She'd forget, like, not even, like, on purpose.
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Literally verbatim, the drug dealer's like, lose my number, you've wasted my time and Was like your vibe off?
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Don't keep the substance away from Lana Del Rey. Do your thing, girl. Do your thing.
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No, I was running late and he said I messed with his time and money.
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He was standing on business. But yeah, wait, are you a weed girl? Have you ever found yourself smoking the ganja?
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So there's a new Netflix show that everybody's talking about called Nobody Wants This. It's about a rabbi played by Adam Brody and a non-Jewish, very sex-positive podcaster played by Kristen Bell, and they fall in love. And I think there are some FTC guidelines being broken right now. So there's some lies that are happening. I need to start seeing some, like, hashtag Netflix partner.
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There's no way. I'm sorry. There's no way y'all are being fucking for real.
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Well, I watched In Just Like That, and I saw Hari Neff play a hot, young, cool rabbi. So some of us knew that. Maybe Aaron Foster, creator of the show, stole that plot point. I will understand. We're flinging around allocations today.
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I'm like really erect when I'm speaking right now. I'm annoyed because I really – I love peer pressure and I love to follow the group. So if someone likes something, I'm normally like, sure, which I need to work on.
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Like I think it was just lackluster in every single category that it was being so praised for. Like, oh my God, the sexual tension. I thought their like first kissing was fine. I love a kiss with a hand involved. That's beautiful. That's nice.
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Yeah, that's gorgeous. Like I'm talking about fingering. I love kissing with a hand involved. But I felt like I was underwhelmed by something that was just like, I was being hit over the head over and over with on Twitter.com and, you know, actually, red flag, I saw most conversation about it happening on Instagram.
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No, so we're experts in our field. You're an expert in diabolical, messy – Women, young women. And thank you so much.
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And thank you so much. I am an expert. In yearning and loving. In yearning.
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Well, the whole thing – always felt like it wouldn't go deeper enough than a, like, PSA or, like, a after-school special. That's how it started to feel to me with, like, some witty one-liners.
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And I think they relied a little too heavily on Kristen Bell's charisma and Adam Brody's, like, universal charm. Because, like, lesbians that watched In the Land of Women... Yeah, that's my man.
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There's no reason for it to be top 10 on Netflix. There's no reason for Redacted, Redacted, and definitely Redacted to be tweeting about this. Like, it just feels... I don't know. I also feel like the Netflix top 10 thing is actually made up. Like only like one of them is real. I think normally they just want people to either, they're pushing someone to a show or they're marketing.
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They run in local circles. So, yeah, it's just it's not for me. And I love a good rom-com. I love a good turn my brain off. I love something that's like going to make me kick my feet and giggle. But none of that was happening in my home.
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I was like, let's tone it down a wee bit. Yeah. I don't, yeah, that's why I had to press pause. I didn't finish it either. I got to that. I finished that episode and I said, let me take care of myself.
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Let me get back to my room. Let me get back to LA.
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Yeah. Do you think that Adam Brody is making top five of white boy of the week? You think he's placing? Because Netflix is pushing for it.
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All right. Fine. I don't know. I'm very... For the people watching, we didn't even do a spoiler for this. Good. Now it's Ben's spoiler. I don't care. But tired, you know, nobody wants this. Wired, you know, the summer I turned pretty.
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Okay, so I do need you to take away my Chase Sapphire credit card. Ooh, she got money. Chase Sapphire. You have an Amex. What's the ranking of credit cards? Why don't you mind your business? And why am I in it? But I've fallen victim, if you will, to the TikTok shop. And I know you don't pay rent there. I know you don't even visit that neighborhood, but Hunter refuses to open TikTok.
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But TikTok specifically has like mastered out of all the social media platforms, the shopping... I guess integration. Like it's too easy to see some little influencer telling you to buy mouth tape because it's going to help your jawline and it's going to like stop your breathing through your mouth and through your nose and it's better for you and all these things.
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And the next thing you know, it's 11 p.m. and you have like 14 in your cart. And checking out is like two taps of a button. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like actually though, like TikTok is doing the thing that a lot of social media platforms probably wish they did, which is like adding a commerce element smoothly.
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From the beginning. Yeah. And really just doing what social media has always been, which is just a commerce platform. Like influencing has just like looked a bunch of different ways, but now there's like a direct link attached to it in a way that looks super organic too. Yeah.
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Like how many times have you found yourself going to a link in a bio?
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Because you had a coffee? I didn't just have a coffee.
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Yeah. You're like, wait, what do you mean? Because like that, I feel like it's like, oh, it's an extra step. And the TikTok element of it has made it so seamless and so dangerous for someone like me who finds herself sometimes addicted to capitalism. I'm a tourist.
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What can I say? But it's obviously led me to some purchases I actually would be fucking with.
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I tried it once, but then I realized... We didn't tape it during the day, too. On this podcast, I go quiet as get, okay? But I will say I taped it one night just to be like, whatever, like, let me try it. And then I realized, like, I already sleep with my mouth closed. Like, I'm
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already a nose breather like it didn't privilege brag you know but like I was like oh wait so I didn't need to buy these at all actually but I'm curious if other girls see results but I want to know especially for you I'm a little I'm kind of easily influenced unfortunately but also a great influencer
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You are such an instigator because you knew exactly what you were going to elicit by doing that. Like you weren't thinking there was like discourse that was going to happen for that. You're like, oh, I'm picking a fight.
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I can imagine your face trying on a bubble skirt. It was awful.
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I feel like that's one of those brands that I see on Essence sale even when there's not a sale happening. You know what I mean? That is, like, the meanest thing I've ever heard. But then it's, like, it's always available for a lower price. And now I'm like, oh, is there a reason?
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I haven't even seen, that's not my corner of the internet. It should be. Oh, so.
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Oh. Yeah. Wait. Also, this leads me to something on TikTok, which is, like, they have really good, like – I was wondering the size of it because they have really good to-go – like things like they have a really small like travel size but really efficient steamer That I just bought again like two nights ago. And you know the way I bought it was on like a QVC style live video.
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Actually, the videos for the rugs get me every time.
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Okay, what I've recently bought that I really love, one... I was going to pull up my phone, but I think my credit card's on the back of it, so I won't. I got the Octobuddy phone case. Oh, yes. Octobuddy, I think, is the brand.
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But it's like the... Everyone hates it and it's made me a monster, but it's also made my life easier because I don't have to ask people to take fucking videos and photos of me. I just slap that shit on a glass wall. It's like the case, the Octobuddy case has a bunch of little suction cups on the back of it so that you can stick it to... Mostly glass surfaces.
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You're always itching for a good screenshot. There's no feeling Hunter loves more than the serotonin rush of going and getting that little screenshot and saving it for later. Oh, my God. If you know Hunter, know that she has a folder for you.
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Sometimes when you're really drunk, you might think a tree will hold it. It won't. If you ever go there. Lord have mercy. It won't stick to the tree.
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And I did have to film spawn in your apartment. And I remember I was trying to film spawn and Remy was running amok. I said, you go on in your home over there so I can get this content off. I do love that. I will say it does make it really seamless for me to shoot content when no one wants to take a damn video of you. And then you don't get mad at no one for taking a bad video. So let's honor that.
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And then I kept getting this Instagram-sponsored – you know all the Instagram clothes that get sponsored ads always feel like fake brands? Oh, like me?
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Yeah. And so I, like, hesitated to order from them, but I saw this one long-sleeved shirt that just – it was this really nice cream. It just looked so soft. And I am a Taurus. I'm addicted. I'm ruled by Venus or something. I don't know. Actually, I think I'm ruled by Mercury. But – I saw the shirt maybe like 10 times in one week. And I was like, they got me again.
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The algorithm, the little FBI agent in my phone got me good. I checked out. It was a little too expensive. But the Deji Studios, I think it's what it's called. D-E-I-J-I. The softest shirt I've ever put on. It's the one that I wore.
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I think on this very podcast. That was a loud slap of my knee. In case anyone heard that. But it's like truly, it's one of those shirts I think does that perfect thing where it has a little bridge between being like cozy and comfortable but also looks nicer than it is. That's like peak dressing for me is like, oh, that person looks so comfortable, but also incredibly chic.
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You have archives of my brother. Like that's how crazy it goes.
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I'm a girl's girl. It's Old Navy. Hashtag Old Navy partner.
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So you said fuck the algorithm actually. Yes. And get your ass to a local Old Navy right now.
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I thought you already had the nice one. I thought you had the Dr. Dennis Gross one. Isn't that one nice?
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Yeah. You know, when it's time to eat the rich, I know who I'll be chewing on. And guess where I'm spending that money? The TikTok shop. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be. I need a substance, but I don't need the substance. Does that make sense? For you, it does. Capitalism will kill us all, but it will at least kill me first.
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Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Peyton Dix. And me, Hunter Harris. Let Me Say This is a production of Wondery. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Andrew Marcello, and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Felice Leon. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez.
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Okay, so I'm curious, like in your phone, like who do you think is like the most random person you have like tea on or a screenshot of? Ooh, that's a good question.
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With who? Jennifer Aniston? Hunter knows exactly what's happening. She won't tell us. You are Kamala Harris. Oh, my God. You've never been that laugh. Oh, my God. You've never been in allegations.
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A celebrity or regular people? Celebrity. Oh, because you be looking for the tea for regular people too.
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I want to know. What's also really crazy is you've really... This is such a compliment. You've built a community around you of the sneakiest haterist is what I was about to say. Nosy ass bitches. The hungies. Is that what you call your hung up subscribers?
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Which is why I hate it. But hungies for you, I love.
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Yeah. But, like, so many people have, like, given you intel that you literally cannot post. You're kind of Nikki. And your stans.
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Your stans are the hungies or the barbs. The way they be acting in everyone's business.
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Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions? Are you a hater first and a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, we're calling you in. It's a safe space. To talk shit. But of course. From Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This.
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But I'm right. I'm right. But I'm different, not because of caffeine, but another drug called weed. And I know you might be surprised. You're like, Peyton, you're like a cool, chill girl from LA. You're black. You're hip. You're fun. How are you just now forming a relationship with weed? That's what Hunter was thinking. We're so close. I can just read her mind like that.
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You know, I rarely understand when movies at Cannes get like a 17 minute standing ovation. Those numbers, they're rigged. That seems insane. But then I saw The Substance, which had a 11 minute standing ovation at Cannes. I said, let's make it 13. Let's make it 15. Let's make it 20. That was me in the theater, at least. Hmm.
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Okay. I'm just asking. We'll get to Gaga in a minute and your man in bronzer, please. Okay. So spoiler ahead, skip maybe 15 minutes or so if you have not seen The Substance yet, but get it together, go see it, come back to this podcast and listen to us yap about it.
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So this movie, it follows a Hollywood famous aerobics instructor in her 50s who has been fired from her show so that they can audition younger talent, tale as old as time. I mean, older woman is Demi Moore. Famously, mother to many, mother to many on this podcast. Yes.
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And then so she takes a mysterious substance called, you guessed it, the substance that causes a younger version of herself, played by Margaret Qualley, to crawl out of her back and steal her entire life. The women are basically in a custody battle over their shared consciousness. We love feminism. But when the younger woman breaks the rules, the older woman, oh, takes her revenge. And then some.
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Hunter, how was your substance experience? How do you feel?
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I was like, that's actually a movie I'm like, once is actually entirely enough.
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I couldn't agree more. I feel like the things that bothered me were pretty small. Like definitely the over the top, like this is a subject we're covering, like zooming in on the word were, like you were great. It was like, Well, okay. So we know that she's older. We're having a conversation about aging and beauty standards. That's fine. But most of it, I had fun. I was terrified.
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What's the video of Gwyneth Paltrow where she's looking at the camera saying, I laughed, I cried, I got shot. That's what it feels like to go see The Substance. You will get shot.
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It's been like two minutes on the clock. Hunter's like, so find the point. And the point is, I'm a wee girl now. I've rebranded. Like smoking or what do you do, like edibles? So I'm finding my way into edibles. I'm like, okay, there's got to be, for someone with anxiety like mine and pulse like mine, there's got to be some weed that'll help slow it. And I'm now finding my way.
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I knew that would be the case. Not even just from seeing the trailer, reading reviews. I'm like, okay, I know what I'm getting in for and I'm not a body horror person. Yeah. Life is scary enough. I can look out my window. Like I live in Brooklyn. Like it's fine. You sound like Fox News. You're like, let me go outside. Maybe they made one point, one single point.
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But I do feel like this movie, specifically in the third act, said, oh, you thought we took it there? Guess what? There's more.
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Do you feel like the, like the goriness of it as well? Or do you mean just in totality, you felt like it was just kind of something that we were like, where are we going or what are we doing now?
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Yeah, I agree. I know we throw this word around often, but there was a campiness to the gory element that I think allowed me to, like, sit through the body horror of it all. And I was fucking impressed. Again, standing ovation. 11 minutes. Let's talk Demi Moore. Let's talk Margaret Qualley.
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Yeah. I also feel like I need to do my due diligence and read her book. Oh my God. It's so good. Is it mostly about her acting legacy or more personal life stuff?
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Charlie's Angels full throttle. Which is a cousin to this movie if you think about it. Yeah, totally.
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And that's what I did the past three days was test out different edibles that actually were awesome. I was like, oh, it's possible to have fun with weed and not have an anxiety attack. There were maybe five grams of THC, and I took a corner piece. So I had, let's say, maybe one and a half, 1.75, if you will.
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Absolutely. Beautifully casted. Like I love when that happens and it happens smoothly because sometimes that casting happens and the actor is too close, I think, to whatever the subject is. But I feel like Demi Moore in that moment, she's more removed from it now to where like it hits home that like this is the actor playing this role. Yeah.
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I do, actually. Yeah. Yeah. When I said mother to many, I meant that. Because my sister took me to Kabbalah. My sister, yeah. I wore a little red bracelet around my wrist.
The White Lotus Official Podcast
Episode 7: The Mike White-iverse
Laura Dern feels like she's doing a good thing and, like, really desperately wants to do a good thing, and that's what makes that so tragic. You can feel how much she wants to improve herself and improve everyone else, but she just keeps bucking up against this wall of everyone else's ego. But she's still trying, whereas on the White Lotus, I think this desire to...
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change others is much more out of control and dominance.
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I mean, this is going to sound weird, but I can totally see why it got canceled. Like, it's too good. It's too smart. You had gold in your hands watching this show.
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on Survivor specifically, where people hide if they went to an IV or if they're a psychiatrist or if they're a cop or something like that. Because you always have a target on your back if you have one of these jobs. He did such a good job of being like, oh, I just kind of work in Hollywood. I just work in TV.
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When he's not maybe one of the most astute, I don't know, observationists in working in television, which I would be like, target on your back immediately. You're too good at this game. I think he's so good at like playing sweet, but also playing very cunning, but also not being too cunning, but also being very playful, friendly.
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And I mean, honestly, if you've talked to anyone who's directed actors, that sounds like exactly what you need to do.
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Absolutely. I mean, Survivor, first of all, let me say this. When I... started watching Survivor, I thought it was a show that you watched in the hospital. I thought this was a show that you watched on your deathbed. Plug is about to be pulled and Survivor is just on. I thought it was like daytime TV. But when I started watching this series, I was like, oh my gosh.
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There are so many social dynamics, physical dynamics, of course. But the way that you can start an episode on the bottom and end, not on the top, but at the top of the middle, which is exactly where you want to be. And that's kind of where he rode the
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throughout the entire season, which is perfect because you want to be someone on Survivor who is seen as not a weakness, but also a huge competitor for someone at the very end. You want to be the person they bring along with them, but you also don't want to be someone that it's like, oh, I can cut you easily and not feel like I'm losing a real vote.
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And that I think is that's really the mark of a genius. Honestly, that means more to me than Mensa.
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Enlightened kind of felt like a secret shared amongst the people that I really respected and admired. Like, oh my gosh, have you seen Enlightened? You haven't seen anything until you've seen Enlightened. To call it an office dramedy sounds too reductive, almost, because the show really blossoms and blooms in so many really emotional ways.
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Laura Dern plays this woman who's just teetering on the edge of a breakdown, and she comes back to work after a breakdown. And you see her trying to build new friendships, trying to make her life feel as big on the outside as it does maybe to her internally.
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There's one really incredible scene where Laura Dern has this whole monologue about how she has this renewed sense of empathy for her mother because she acknowledges that her mother was also once a child and that she has to kind of mother both of them in this very prickly, difficult dynamic between the two of them.
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And the fact that Mike White was able to capture that so personally and also so viscerally, like the rage of like, why can't you be the mother I wanted you to be? But also, I'm not the daughter that you wanted probably either. I mean, really, it's like some of the best writing on television I've seen ever.
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Between Enlightened and The White Lotus, you can just see how specific the vision is across any kind of setting. Enlightened kind of feels very far from White Lotus, and yet they both feel like they're made from the same specific brain. That is, you know, the mark of someone who I think is, like, really good at what they do.