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Mmm! Whoa! Let's play with these bad boys! Woohoo! We're like a glowing rainbow duo! Oh my goodness, I sure do love me some donuts. But colorful donuts are much better, don't you think? Oh my gosh, I think this is gonna be our very first challenge! I know what to do! Just hold up! What? You're always taking stuff from me! Wow, you're actually already mixing the batter!
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Yeah, I know, it's because I'm good at baking! I'm just gonna pour the batter into the cup! That should be enough. Now we wanna add the coloring. We'll start with blue. Now I can lift this out of the cup. Time to get squeezing the bag. That'll mix the color. Great! Now for the donut mold. I'll just pipe in all the different colors. These are gonna turn out so pretty! I just know it!
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I made enough batter to fill all these molds. Just gonna finish the last one with some yellow. They look great! Let's stick these right into the oven.
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need to do my own thing good thing i got these supplies i don't need to make anything from scratch that's boring and slow i've already got little donuts i can just paint them so cute and pretty too i can't pick a favorite color i want some sprinkles though too some fever should work oh my gosh i can't stand how cute they are i'm gonna cry i gotta try one on your greenies there we go they've been baking long enough
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Mmm, they sure smell good, and they look pretty colorful. Okay, well, we can't have donuts without decorations. I'll just take one out and dip it in this frosting. And then take a little hop over to the sprinkles. Wow, they look so cute. My little rainbow donuts. Yuck, I hate my donuts. They hurt my tooth. Wow, your donuts look amazing.
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Yeah, it smells good. Wait, she left. Time to get away. I know it's around here somewhere. The smell is coming from this table right here. Whoops, I think I'll just hide for a bit. One of you did something over here, didn't you? Alright, I confess. It was me who robbed the treasury. Guess you better take me away. What the? She really just had all that gold and cash in her pockets?
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Whoever made these donuts is a genius. Oh my gosh, they're so good.
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I'll just put this away. Well, if you say so. Such good donuts. Yeah, I'm just gonna stay down here. Yikes! That was a close one!
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And for me? Whoa! This is the coolest cake ever! Just one little taste won't hurt. Okay, a big little taste. Yum! So sweet! I could eat this forever! Hey! I want yummy frosting too! Actually, on second thought, I have more manners than that. Ta-da! A spatula? Wait, that's not right. Aw man! Wait a minute! Uh, no. Too small. I know! This ought to mix things up. Or at least melt it.
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Look at these colors! Should we open these? You go first. Okay. Every color under the rainbow? Are you seeing this? Mmm! It's super gummy! And bursting with cherry juice! Wait, what happened to your tongue? My tongue's just fine!
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Hot air never felt so good. Come on. There we go. It's magnificent! I've been saving this for something special. Mmm! So bubbly! Uh, Luna? I'll never eat this. Aha! Hey, that's my straw. I just need the cup. Oh, I see. Watch and learn. Cups just like butter. And when you pull it away, you have a cup of cake. It looks so perfect in there. Wow, good thinking. Mind if I snag a taste? Ooh, thanks!
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I needed one of these! Uh, what just happened? Mmm! Oh yeah, that's the stuff! Don't worry about me. Oh, who doesn't like a good egg, especially for breakfast? Okay, make me some eggs. Eggs? Really? That does not sound fun at all. Well, at least let's see what we have under here. Really? One, two, three, four, five. Okay, I've got this. And there she goes.
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Hmm, what am I gonna do with this challenge? I've got an idea! Gotta need some supplies, though. Hello? Yeah, a delivery as soon as you can, please. Oh, here it comes! I'm so glad it shipped so quickly! Ok, I've got my eggs. I need to crack them open. And separate the yolks from the whites. And now I'm gonna pour the whites into my little contraption. Time to add some food coloring!
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I can mix it in using this little wooden stick. There we go! What a nice blue color! And now I put this little top in there, and then the lid. Gotta make sure it's on nice and tight for the next step, which is to put this whole thing in a pot of water. Gotta get that water boiling to cook these egg whites. Not that they're white anymore, though, since I added color.
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Let's open them up and see how they turn out. Wow, look at that! It's so blue! And the heart kept its shape! Now I can add the egg yolks back in. But the yolks need to be cooked too. So, back into the pot they go. That should be good enough. Let's take them out. Here we go. Yes! It turned out perfect! Let me get them all out of the molds and onto the plate. Look at all those fun colors and shapes!
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These are definitely rainbow eggs like she wanted. Wow, those look great! Wait… Huh? Get over here, you dumb bird! Hey, look at this bird! Uh, we were supposed to have rainbow eggs, not a bird. Huh? Eggs? Oh, I did not get that memo. Oh well, at least I got this fun bird.
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Unbelievable. You still haven't opened yours. Okay. Yoo-ha! Eyeballs?! Are these things real?! Think they taste any good? Hmm. They smell fruity. Whoa! I'm seeing purple! That's cause your eyes are purple! See for yourself! They really are purple, huh? Pretty cool! Maybe if I eat all the colors… What are my eyes now? Think they'll change into orange? Or green? Whoa! I'm seeing a lot of colors!
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But I lost that anxiety. I'm thinking I have a wonderful relationship with my children. Like you said about your relationships, I have the best wife that I can imagine. I have done what I wanted to do. And that's why I would have peace if I would be dying today. And that would have then in a way been destiny. But then there is a certain risk that's coming with that too, contentment.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And that's not good.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, I don't want that. Because you'll have no fuel. I wouldn't say no fuel, but there is this moment where my anger is gone. So I need to proactively condition myself and say, what are my objectives? And in 2020, when the music stopped, for someone that likes the music and doesn't like time...
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I had a year that I was really bad mentally and I had to reflect, do I want to go back as an investor and look at multiple companies and be on the board, see businesses and technology that interest me and the variety of it? Or do I want to consider as a racing person, as a basically a one trick pony?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I came to the conclusion that I found my niche between business, finance and the love for the stopwatch and the honesty for the stopwatch. And at that moment, I really proactively, intellectually decided there is more to do and more to win and more to conquer. But it is more with an emotion that is less anxious about success. But the drive isn't gone. It's channeled in a different way.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And those two years were important for me. But it's that I think imposter syndrome and all of the characteristics you mentioned, they have softened. They haven't completely gone away, but they're conditioned in a healthier way. There's many people that don't want to go to a psychiatrist because they fear that they're losing their ability.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Artists, writers, people that have a lot of creativity that don't want to go to sort out their mental problems. They don't want to go on medication. Because they believe this is a huge fuel of their creativity. Because how often do we actually spend time in thinking about our objectives? And the analogy we're having in the team is being between the dance floor and the balcony.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
We're on the dance floor most of the time. That is in action. When are we going actually on the balcony? And looking down what's happening on the dance floor and thinking about what's my long-term strategy here? What is it that I believe I should recalibrate?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
in the off season it's maybe even more work because you have the next iteration of the car coming out next year so how on earth do you build in that time so i do it actively for me for example flying in an airplane and i do 600 hours a year for whatever reason i don't enjoy watching movies i don't enjoy listening to music i like reading and the reading gives me a stimulation
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
of thinking about those things. So I stay at the ceiling. I do it in the mornings. I take my time in the mornings for myself and lying in bed for another 20 minutes allows me to do these things. So it's actually activities that run in a way on autopilot. And I don't know if you know that there is a scientific explanation to that.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Why do you have your best ideas in the shower, in the toilets, while shaving, in the car? Because your brain is actually active, but it's on autopilot. You're doing all of that. So that is why we have those creative moments. And for me, it's also lying in bed or it's flying in an airplane. I think a lot about those things and I write them down.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But we're all different, interestingly, because when I'm having an activity that is where I need to put some force in, for example, you know, going to the gym, you're doing lots of that. Thank you for noticing. Or going for a walk to do my 10,000 steps. For me, this is like a meditation in the activity itself. I'm not capable of thinking about anything else.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But Susie, when she goes on her 20,000 steps a day or in the gym, she comes back with lots of stuff that she writes down. So we're all different. True.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
For sure. That is a scar. There was like a perfect storm because they tried to have me in a private school, in a French school in Vienna. So I saw the rich kids. And you're not a poor kid in a poor environment where everything is pretty normal, but you're seeing the rich kids and you're seeing them going on their fancy holidays.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I remember exactly that moment, Christmas holidays, last day of school. And there is this friends of mine that got into the car with one of the dads and they went off skiing, the three of them together. And I don't. The suffering of that very moment is still so much in me.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Did it work for you? It 100% does for me. What?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, not completely fixed. But I know there was these things I wanted to take. There is this nice skiing place in Austria where everybody went and it was very expensive. And it's actually a small village and there is nothing particular. But having a place there was a life target. And I have now. Actually, there's probably better places than also going through this car and bike motion.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I remember my dad only had a very, very old BMW, 10 years old, and it was damaged, but he didn't have the money to actually repair it. And a friend's dad had, I don't know if you remember, a Mercedes AMG 560 SEC. Oh, baby. That's exactly down your line when I look at your garage.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Exactly. Yeah. When I showed these cars to Susie or to my children, I said, that was my dream. They say, seriously?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yes, yes, yes. It looks awful. Porsche Turbo, you know, the three liters, the early ones. How about a rough 911? R-U-F-F? RUF. It's a German company. Okay, sorry.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, the masculinity portion doesn't relate to me. When my father got ill, I had that feeling. I took so much responsibility on for my sister that I wanted to be an adult. I wanted to be in control of my life. I didn't want to be embarrassed from my parents anymore. And that attitude of being the man in the house happened when I was very young. So I never struggled with that.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It was more about the things that I saw from parents of my friends that were successful. This is what I wanted to achieve, like a Ferrari car collection, for example. Or one of my closest friends today, and I love him to bits, his dad was the president of the local football club. There was this famous sports show on Monday evening, which was called Sport am Montag, which was Sport on Monday.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And it was prime time and only the best people were there. And I remember him being there. And I thought, one day I would like to be in this sports show because that means success. Wow. And then these things happen and you realize they're so nice because you kind of say to yourself, I can't believe it. I'm there now. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Full circle. Full circle. And for you, it works. For me, that works.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Maybe because, and you will think that's counterintuitive by being in Formula One. I have never felt, well, that's actually not true. I wanted to say I've never felt surpassing people. But what I felt was anger against all the people that let my dad down. So at the beginning, it was like, I'm going to show you. And they were obviously a generation above me, but that was important.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, there was a list of actual people that didn't respect my father. But that was the early years of my professional life. When I started to think about it, I'm actually trying to meet my own expectations. And you know that sports show on Monday was my own expectations. I didn't want to be on telly because I wanted to show that I'm there. It was only for me and it is still today.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
When I'm not having the success and not achieving the objectives that I set myself, that is where I feel humiliated towards myself emotionally. Interestingly, not anybody else. Right. I'm in an absolute competition against myself, not a relative competition to others.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And it's good because you're
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
50 years old and you're actively enjoying things experiences material things and there is many people who don't and for them it's just the next thing and the next thing and they come to the conclusion and it's actually not what they expected and then you're in a vicious circle of if you can afford to buy more and more and more and seek other relationships you know suddenly your marriage is not good anymore because you've seen the next was about to say blonde but obviously that
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's not what I meant.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Seriously, you're very attractive.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, I think it doesn't.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That's so nice. But always the next thing, you know, the grass is always green on the other side, and that's not what I have.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I didn't have an interest for motorsport. I had an interest in road cars. Because of my past, it was quite disappointing to find out that my first car my mother bought, obviously I didn't have any money, was a Volkswagen Beetle. It ended against the tree six months later and I wouldn't say I was disappointed.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Barely enough. So there is a famous road through the Viennese forest around the city, which is called the Höhenstrasse. And they had in the 50s, 60s, 70s, a very famous race there because it's cobblestone. And when it's wet, that starts to be tricky. So that was my road. It's about, I would say, 10 kilometers. Very twisty, very fast. And I raced with my friends there with the Beetle.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And one day in the rain, I woke up on a Saturday morning, thought it's raining. It's great. I'm going to take the Beetle onto that Höhenstrasse, that road. And bang, off I went against the tree. The steering wheel even broke.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Wow. That was crazy stuff, which we did back in the day. Friend had a Porsche and there was a straight with, I don't know, a kilometer with a huge bump in the middle. And each of us was trying with the others in the passenger seat of the maximum speed we could achieve before braking for the next corner.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Like 240 kilometers an hour. Oh. That's crazy. But back to your question. I just want you to know I've been in a lot of those passenger seats and I hate it. Yeah, but as a kid, you almost don't realize the risk. You're in another zone. It's like you talking about your daughter. You want her to ride a motocross bike rather than sitting on the back and crashing with somebody who wants to show off.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
A 16-year-old trying to impress her. Yeah, to be masculine.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And his masculinity journey.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Exactly. For me, it was. I didn't have the spot on my radar. And then I visited a track in Germany, the Nürburgring. I've driven it. So fun.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yes, GT2 RS or whatever the racing version was, but the one with the most powerful engine, naturally aspirated engine. Do you remember your time? It was a 703. Wow. But the track was different because it wasn't the new asphalt, so it was much bumpier and riskier. And that record was, I think, 7.05. But crazy dangerous. There's nothing like it. No, there's nothing like it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I was already befriended with Niki Lauda, who had his crash in Formula One there. That's why he burned. And he said, why did he do this? He's so stupid, so dangerous. Nobody cares what you're doing. I was in a bit of a midlife crisis. And so that was on a preparation lap. The car was already feeling old. The tires were falling apart. And then I said to myself, and that is the amateur approach.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I'm going to give it one try whilst already knowing that the car had an issue. And that one try, I was up 15 seconds. So it would have been a 640 or 635. Whoa. Anything sub seven is... It's very fast. Today, a good time is around 620 or so, but that was 15 years ago. And the track is a completely different one, as I said before. Parts that are flat today were never flat back in the day.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, but you laid it down.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
100 is important in our world.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So you're right, you're right, you're right.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yes. Right rear puncture went off into the guardrail, went onto the roof, didn't go into the forest, into the trees, which was lucky. And I slid 250 meters and stopped. Camera is still on. I'm stopping the car. It was on fumes and I'm de-plugging my radio and I'm getting out of the car and you think everything is normal.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And then they found me behind the guardrail with the helmet and the hands on, lying on my back like I was sleeping.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, I like it a lot because it's a good mix between you. There's a Mercedes, obviously. Yes, obviously. And then I like the bikes. I'm riding bikes as well.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I have no recollection of that. Oh my God. So in the shock with the adrenaline, I got myself out of the car. No concussion. A massive concussion. So they found me there unconscious. They put me in the ambulance and they were taking me to the local hospital there. Oxygen on. And the worrying bit was that I had an ache in my spine and I started to feel tingling in my legs. Wow.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I thought, I can't believe that. I mean, Nikki was right. Yeah. And I'm going into the hospital. They put me in an X-ray on MRI, pull me out and there's a nurse. And I'm saying, can you just please tell me whether my spine is damaged? And she says, I'm not authorized to give you that information.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I'm still having the tingling, but obviously you then make it up also. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. So the doctor comes and he said, you're fine with the spinal cord, but you have some fractures in your vertebrae, compression fractures. Whoa. I'm sorry to say, Mr. Wolf, but one of your eyes is tilting into the inside. What? So I had a view deviation. So because of the concussion, you know, when the eye does this, how do you call it in English? Yeah, cross-eyed. Cross-eyed.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. What do you ride? Like a tour adventure bike? What is it called? It's a vintage bike. MV Agusta. And MV Agusta have as well. So the story with the MV Agusta is more interesting than the Austrian bike I just mentioned. So one day it rings at the door and we are having scheduled dinner with Louis in Monaco. So he knows Susi for a long time. There is cars.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It was a concussion. So they got me into the Frankfurt neurology with a helicopter. They checked me again there and said, that is warring and we got to keep you here. And I said, no, no, no, I don't want to go to Vienna. A friend of mine is a neurologist. So they said, well, you can't go to Vienna. The road is too fast and the airplane you can fly because of the pressure.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So the doctor that I had in Vienna jumped into a private jet. Oh, wow. Picked me up and we flew at 10,000 feet. Oh, so you didn't have to pressurize it. So I didn't have to pressure. Oh, wow. Came to Vienna and then that was the diagnosis. And I couldn't sleep on my back for two months because of the vertigo I got. Oh my God.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I lost long pre-COVID smelling and tasting. The nerves were damaged. It came back, but everything tastes like cardboard.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yes. So this is two years before Susie. That's how I met her, the accident actually. Because she was on a fitness camp with all the other Mercedes drivers. She was an official Mercedes driver in touring cars.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That was later. Okay. But she was at Mercedes fitness camp and I was a shareholder in the touring car team back in the day, but we didn't know each other. And there was a rumor between the drivers that Toto had a really bad accident. And they decided who would call me in a hospital. And they decided Susie would call me.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, she said what I was okay. And she heard about the accident and we started talking and it was a half an hour phone call.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
More the 70s. She would be pretty upset if it was the 50s or 60s.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And you know, he raced in the Isle of Man. No. Motorbikes. No. Yeah, absolutely. He did on like a two stroke back in the day. I don't know, but it was the Isle of Man. Fuck that. And that's why they got the kids into karting because they felt that two wheels were too dangerous.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, we were just talking about that. None of that. For the elder ones, Benedict is 23. He studies in USC in Los Angeles. Oh, amazing. Wait, your kid goes to school here? Yeah, my daughter also.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So he comes for dinner. He rings at the door and says, come down, please. And I'm saying, no, come up. We're up here. No, no, there's really something I'd like to show you. And take Susie. So we're going down and he's there with his bike and it's an MV Agusta Lewis Hamilton edition.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
The truck would be exactly my car.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That's exactly it. So the elder ones weren't interested at all. I remember when Benedict was five or six, I took him to the local car track in Vienna and he said, I don't really want to do it. Can I go in the play park? And I thought, it's just a matter of getting him into the car, and then they will love it. So I said, do a few laps. He said, three laps. Okay, three laps.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I was thinking, I'm sure it's going to go well. That's two extra laps. He only needs one to follow up. He came in after three laps and he said, that's it. Can I go to the play park? And it was clear he had no appetite.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But the small one is, I have a seven-year-old and he's really into it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Susie and I are of the opinion that that can flip again. So Carlos Sainz, the old man, told me that Carlos had an accident when he was 16. six or seven, they stopped racing because they all felt it was too dangerous. And a few years later, the son said, I want a go-kart. So I don't think that 11 per se is too late if a kid is really into it. True. They're more conscious.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
They are more able to learn. You're still building your synopsis. So I think that still goes.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And if she was winning races, I would cry. You're cheering now for musical theater. And whatever they do, we start to cheer for it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I said, well, it's great, the bike. Is that what you wanted to show me? And he says, it's yours. Oh. And I said, how come? He says, you know, you've done so many great things and you and I together and I've never given you a gift. So I want to give you the number one of a 44 edition. Oh.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But maybe they're too young for loving something. You know, we're putting all this pressure on the young generation. You know, you've got to have a passion and you've got to have a real interest and you've got to perform in school or at sports. I let my kids be and they're looking at Instagram and everybody's perfect. Everybody's a millionaire, has a sensational body.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
They're on a boat all the time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so they're thinking I'm inadequate. I'm letting them be. And my son, you know, he's in his senior year. He's thinking about what to do next. And I'm taking all pressure off. I say, you don't need to have a passion at 23 because I didn't. The motor racing was gone by 23.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I seriously didn't know what I was interested in apart from making money. Had you gone to college at all? Yeah, it was a dropout. When the racing ended, I also dropped out of college, said I'm going to start working now and I want to be the youngest guy working. And I didn't care what it was. There wasn't anything like passion.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
One door opened, the other one closed and another one opened and another one opened. And I'm taking the pressure off by saying, don't look at me. This is my 52nd chapter. You're in the 23rd.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So my friend and business partner since 30 years, Rene, was saying exactly that to me back in the day. Why the fuck should they give you equity? You don't deserve it. And what do you know about IPOs? So I still went there and for whatever reason, convinced them and said, there is no downside for you.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
If I'm not raising the money for you or we're not IPO-ing your company, then you're not giving any shares to me.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Exactly. That was my selling story and it worked.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That's a very sweet present. So the other one is a Triumph Thruxton, which was converted by a German tuner to a proper coffee racer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the bike I ride every day.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You have aura, charisma, you're convincing, you're intelligent. That are the USPs or this is your character. Maybe it gives you credibility of being tall, but I have seen pretty successful men that were tiny. Christian Horner. Yeah. He's more square. But I think he's laughing about that. I like Horner. I interviewed him. I had a good time.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, let's not go too far, but I think he can laugh about it. So there is tiny men that I have met who were very powerful and successful. Look at Bernie Ecclestone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, F1's littered with tiny men who are powerful and successful. The drivers. Yeah, many that are failed drivers and saw the humiliation of not being good enough.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
There's not many successful drivers that made a success out of a management career. Yeah. I think you're reducing yourself to your height or to your physical. I think it's in the mix. I think it's one of the gifts I was given.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I'm going to assume this kid's not high on drugs. I think if you go back to a white trailer and you have abuse and alcohol, you had a rough upbringing and that is part of your trauma and your humiliation that's shaped you. Addiction certainly is a self-destruction phenomenon, in my opinion, or because it's just fun.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Obviously, everybody was into alcohol at a certain stage. That worked really well for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it works, it's fun. Exactly. So I was never into drugs in my school. Everybody would smoke joints. I didn't smoke any cigarettes. Everybody smoked cigarettes as well. I felt that it never worked. Obviously, you got munchkins and you were giggling a lot. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But I felt it doesn't work for me. But there was an incident. We were in an apartment of a friend of mine, 16 years old. So the whole purpose of the Saturday nights was smoking a water pipe or whatever. So we did all of that. Didn't give me a lot. And then I left the apartment and walked about 10 minutes to the subway station. Down in the subway station.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And, you know, there's this yellow lines where you wait for the metro to come. And I stood there, realized I didn't have any shoes on.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I'm walking back into the apartment, ringing at the door. This stoned friend of mine opens the door and I'm saying, I forgot my shoes. And that made their night. They were laughing it off. So it had an effect. But I was too scared of the rest. I was already mentally fragile and I was scared that it would leave me in a dark place. That's why I never dived into it. But we tried a lot.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, with me, it was catastrophic. You know, I was 180, which is six foot and my weight was on the pounds. Wow. So that was pretty bad. That was me in high school. Stringy. We weren't very attractive for the girls.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But that's maybe why you're working out. You're trying to compensate that because you're really not believing in that. Yeah, exactly. And then I don't want to look at myself too much because that is vain and narcissistic. But then we still do.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But she would never post like a swim trunk photo for her. That's ridiculous. And I'm a grown up man and I shouldn't do the Instagram thing of racing drivers showing off.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
She does. And you know, we have fun at home when you're in front of the mirror and you're doing some stupid posing. And she says, that's really turning me off. Don't do that. Yeah, she's direct.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
We learned pretty early that our family life is only good if our marriage is good. So when you look at the way she talks about herself, number one is wife. Number two is being a mother. And that's very unusual. Yeah. And the career comes third. So she would say, I want to have my own career. But if I had to compromise on number one and number two, I wouldn't compromise. Nor I. Nor me.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I wouldn't do it either. She's such a good manager or entrepreneur. I think she could do much more and she could base herself in London or SOG. And she says, I don't want it. And I'm saying to her, you know, if you were to have a career in motorsport and you were conflicted with me, I would step out of an executive role. It's anyway a lot at the moment and become a dormant shareholder.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But she says, let's look at the big picture here. I think we got a...
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
First of all, they're never used alone because they seek recognition as well. If a girl stares at her own pictures on the computer, that's a warning sign for me. Staring too much. Yes, yes. There's a healthy version.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I got another present, which is worse. So, you know, drivers are very particular with helmets and Luis has all of the helmets that he's collected. So giving helmets away for him is a real struggle. Yes. So I got a lovely helmet from Valtteri or from Nico in the past, but I knew they are less emotional about it. Yes.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I said, what are you thinking? Yeah. A friend of mine, he got together with this beautiful lady and he was very famous and she left him now. And Susie was very pragmatic to him. He said, what did you expect?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, and he's always so positive.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
How this ended is real shame. How they didn't give him the platform because he's done so, so well. But I don't think it's the end of his career, the style that he has with his fashion connection.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I think he has a more intellectual angle if you're not too bulky. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So let's start with the last one, because that's most important. I am more at risk of a bore out than a burnout. That sounds like stresses where I'm most comfortable, but it is. But unfortunately, it's only a coping mechanism. I would love to sit on a stool in a coffee shop in Greece. or Sicily and not do anything and read a newspaper, but I can't. My mind is too busy.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
The more pressure I have, the better I feel. That's my real comfort zone. I had to take decisions at the age of eight. Yeah, right. I never think about it. I go in a restaurant, I look at the menu, it takes 10 seconds. So I only wear the same clothes. Louis thinks about me, I'm the most boring fashion guy.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's a great odd couple. Yeah, we are. He hates everything I wear. He hates the most my shoes that are coming from a tailor in Vienna. He doesn't take any more clients and I'm showing them and he says, this is the ugliest pair of shoes that I have ever seen. But that's part of simplification. I wear the same trousers, the same shoes in every color, blue, beige, gray suits. It's all the same.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, I wouldn't say every race, but for sure, like every second or third race. Because I noticed new paint jobs. Yeah, they change. And I think he's given me his most special one.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I'm not thinking too much when I'm packing. But in terms of the mental health, I think as long as I have to solve problems, I'm really in a good space. When it's calm and comfortable, I can take it for 10 days. A holiday or so, I start to not feel well at all. It's not like I want to be busy, but it's like I'm going into a darker place because it needs the balance.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I realized we took a holiday in Sardinia, which is a beautiful place, for three days in July, mid-season. And I remember floating on my back in the sea, in the azure water. And I thought, I feel so great. We went to the same place for three weeks holiday. Three weeks.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. When Niki Lauda died, who we were very close, both of us, he made a Niki Lauda design helmet for the Monaco race in 2019. And he won it holding on to, I think, Daniel was behind him. It was a huge struggle. So he gave me the Niki Lauda memorial helmet, the Monaco race win. Oh. And he wrote something nice on it. And I think this is a piece of memory that's priceless.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I tried all sorts of meditations, transcendental meditation, Ayurvedic meditation, then with a mantra, mindfulness, breathing, Jacobson, I did all of that. Doesn't work for me because it's too calm. Trying to... Calm my mind doesn't work. I need the opposite. I need activities that stress me. That's why racing a car is so fun because there's nothing else you can think about.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I like going to the gym and go ballistic so I can't breathe anymore. I'm into freediving. Oh, you are? Yeah, I do lots of that. Because you saw the Deep Blue, the Luc Besson movie as a kid? Yeah, Le Grand Bleu, the long version. Did you see the long version? Yes, of course. Jean Reno. Fantastic. So I do this. I got George and Louis into freediving also. Really?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
what's the farthest you've 35 35 meters meters 115 feet so I'm not using weight it's just swimming down myself and Netflix made quite a thing there's an episode of George in a drive to survive next so we went free diving they had a
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
full camera crew two boats divers in the water divers to look at us and do all of the filming mainly for george so i'm the semi pro and we're doing this first dive with the world champion that is coaching us and the first dive is an accommodation dive so you go five ten meters your body gets used to it so the mind says okay we are here in uh apnoea mode and we need to hold the breath and manage our energy level
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I'm doing my accommodation dive, 25 meters, 75 feet, and I'm going down at 10 meters and I feel so great. So I'm thinking I'm going to go all the way down. It's easy. I feel a little bit of a pressure in my right ear. Pang, I do my eardrum. First shitty dive, the whole Netflix thing is gone. You look like a chump. Yeah, like a chump. George does his three meters, seven meters.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And by the end, he was at 25 as well. So yeah, that wasn't my greatest moment. But freediving is great because you can't think about anything else.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Tell me you're in Los Feliz. Hi, I'm in a podcast, really fun one. You want to speak to the guy?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Armchair expert. Armchair expert. He knows it. He looked at it because I said to him, can you check out what I should be doing?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You're in the podcast.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I'm sending them the address.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, so we had a NASA doctor that gave us sleep plans and say, this is how you accommodate for jet lag. Because obviously astronauts in 24 hours, I don't know how many times they have a sunset and a sunrise.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. So they need to sleep somehow. And the truth is our eyes react to daylight. So we were wearing shades when we took off, even if it was day in the airplane. We were eating breakfast at four o'clock in the afternoon because it was breakfast time in Japan. But now after many years in the sport, I changed my thinking and what I do. And that is I just don't care. You don't stress about it.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I don't stress about it. I sleep wherever I can. In the plane, I sleep or I'm awake. I'm not looking at the time zone of arrival. I arrive and it's daylight or night and I try to sleep. And if not, I'm taking a little bit of a melatonin or we have a sleeping pill. If you work the next day, not the heavy stuff. And it's only fall asleep pill. It's not the one that puts you into coma.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I was in Japan with Susie and we were in this hotel in Tokyo and I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't sleep. So I took half of a sleeping pill and she gets up and I said, why are you getting up in the middle of the night? And she says, it's nine o'clock in the morning. And I was like, fuck, I just took a sleeping pill. She did all the sightseeing, I slept for the whole day.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I sleep when I sleep. I'm awake when I'm awake. But I follow my nutrition discipline in a very, very strict way.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, that's done. I do a cappuccino. No breakfast? No breakfast, because I feel like that is useless calories. I'm not hungry anyway. The cappuccino is a little treat. It does me feel a little bit sick afterwards, so I'm not hungry. The right amount of nausea.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And then I'm having lunch and dinner. And for lunch, wherever I am on the racetrack, I only eat the same, and that is chicken breast, some vegetable, tomato, and I treat myself to half a glass of full sugar Coca-Cola. That's good for digestion. Okay. Okay.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Then I try to do lean protein, but then I can indulge as well. If I see something really nice on the menu or if the local food is marvelous, then I will have. Big plate of pasta when you're at Monza. Yeah, the pasta.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I don't drink wine. I don't drink beer because of the gluten. It doesn't do me any well. If I'm drinking alcohol, then it's full blast vodka. That's the Romanian in you. You don't drink huge amounts and after like 20 minutes, you're already having fun.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
The liquid is not huge and you're not mixing. So I don't feel sick. I don't feel bad next day.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, that was the day I set the company up. So I wasn't very creative. So I said, why don't we do the date today?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
exactly and we're not good with aerodynamics as well so we have a deficit against everybody else yes but under braking it's good if i sit up i pull a lot of drag like valentino rossi put your leg out also to balance were you there the day that valentino and lewis swapped no but i had to give permission so i gave it and i think they both enjoyed it a lot lewis is the annoying kid in school that does everything right and fast he was quite good on the bike
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, so I tell you a story about biking. Secretly, they didn't tell me. They went testing in Jerez with my head of strategy, who is also a keen motorbike guy and one of the engineers. And I couldn't get hold of him for two days. And then I'm calling Luis, my engineer picks up and he says, it's all good. All is fine. We just finished biking and just whatever you hear, he's all fine.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That sounds familiar, but I don't believe in astrology either. Me neither. You neither. So there is something that maybe Capricorns have in common is that they are born into cold January. Boom. Boom. Yes.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I said, what happened? Oh, my God. But he was four seconds off the MotoGP pros only. No. It's unbelievable. The body feeling that he has is what makes him a champion.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Kind of mind-blowing. I think for motorbike guys, it's easier to drive a car fast than for car people because it's just so much more complicated with balance on the bike.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It is crazy. No, no, no. But they are from a special breed also. Never satisfied.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I hope I'm not saying anything that would be important for him, intimate. He asked me once, you'd rather be successful or happy?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I said, what is it with you? And he said, successful.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But there are people that are really happy with their lives and they don't thrive for being in some kind of record books. Whatever our KPIs are, our various KPIs, yours of the two of you will be very different in what you want to achieve to mine specifically.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Since a few years, they are converging. Before it was success only.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Well, he's two years older than you. He's 14 January.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, Capricorn. Three Capricorns. I'm not into birthday. You know, I forgot my wife's... Geburtstag? Geburtstag. I forgot my wife's birthday.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So we were in a hotel in Stuttgart. We're coming down in the lobby. There is my team waiting for us and they're all happy birthday. And I was like, oh, fuck. So everybody looked at me because, you know, I'm not good with the States. Every day needs to be a birthday. Why do you need to celebrate that you're already older than you are? I couldn't agree more.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, it has. And maybe also the freshness of the air. Yes, yes, yes. But that's why you're a car person also, no?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I think it's embarrassing to have birthday parties. All of it's embarrassing.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But I get that you're celebrating that you're still alive. Maybe that's the reason. She's looking at me and she laughs and said, I had it all prepared for the afternoon.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, I got a card. But she knows me. So we have a weird age gap of these 12 years. But the gap is more like not a dad and son. It's more like brothers.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, no, no. We are much more peers, friends than father-son. We can vice versa play different roles if the other one needs the support or difficult periods.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I couldn't make the decision from a personal standpoint. We owe him so much. And I didn't want to do the decision as Mercedes, letting the greatest champion ever go.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And maybe he felt that also. That's part of it. And he knew that Antonelli is in the pipeline. It was something that I almost had in the back of my mind that that would happen.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, it was a curveball thrown at us. And it still feels weird that he's going to wear a Ferrari overall next year and drive the red car. It's just a bit surreal. But we had this 17-year-old in the pipeline. I didn't want to miss out on him like I did with Max back in the day. I didn't have a car. So that is all falling into place. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I can kind of get where he's coming from because we weren't successful. Our car was not quick enough. Certainly had a mega offer on the table. Every Formula One driver wants to drive a Ferrari.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
But I want the best for him also from a personal side.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So what can I say? You can't say shit. Yeah, I think on the engineering side, I'm really happy where we are. We are not having the success on track that we would want to. We had three race victories this year, two unmarried. But I feel in a really happy space with James Ellison being our technical director. We are reorganizing the team. We've hired, we have let some people go.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And on drivers, yours, Max and I, we always had a correct relationship. It suffered a bit in 2021 because it got dirty from both sides.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And it's part of a great success we're having today. It was really dramatic. And I remember the topic that nobody wanted to touch on many Christmas tables was Trump, Brexit, and Abu Dhabi 2021. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
My father was born in Bucharest and they immigrated after the war, interestingly. And I think there was a big wave of anti-Semitism back in the day. So my grandparents were called Rosa and Herschel. And when they moved to Austria, they called themselves Olaf and Maria.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
The strict interpretation of the rules is you need to unlap the cars and make them join at the back. So take one box. We win the championship. It's clear because there's not enough laps left and the race finishes on the safety car. The second version is once you make the cars on lap, you need one more lap before green flag. We win the championship.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
The third one was more of an outlier against the rules. What we could understand is give it the last lap. So you have a green flag lap and not behind a safety car. Then Lewis would have won because there was a few cars in between. Well, that's questionable. Three or four cars in between. I mean, Max potentially could have got by them. I don't know. But I was anyway not part of the rules.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
We couldn't have pitted for fresh tires because we were in the lead. We would have given up position.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And then the race would have ended up on the yellow or safety car. So we would have lost the race. So five laps to the end, we are world champions. There is no scenario... You've won. We've won.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Won, I can see in the garage already. And then someone decides... the rate the world championship should end with a lap. And what you say, unlapping those cards in the middle is unheard of. Both drivers were deserving champions because of the up and down during the season. And probably both of them should have been world champions. I'll argue too, you had a better card than Red Bull that year.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
At the end, not the first half of the year. I think Lewis was the stronger driver in the second half. Max was in the first half and the same with the cars. They should have both had the trophy. But on that day, in that race, the race was decided and it fell the other way. This is the most controversial thing in all of it. Wow. Probably in most sports.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That was so clear that the referee decided to do something which was not in the rule book. Not even a judgment call, but just not in the rule book. But having said that, it was more like the madness of it. Yeah, the chaos and the confusion. Exactly. And I felt that the other side And that's not max, but you know, there was not a one sentence in saying that was a difficult day for Mercedes.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That could have gone either way. We got lucky. Yeah. They are both deserving champions today. It went against Mercedes. It went against us before. There was not one word from Christian or the other team in acknowledging that.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Exactly. And my mother came to Vienna when she was 18, speaking no word of German and started medicine, became a doctor. So that's where they met.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Drive to Survive happened when everybody was at home. And believe it or not, our strongest growing demographic is young females 15 to 24 years old.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Is that the reason?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Single biggest event in the United States last year. Who would have ever thought that a Formula One race?
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I think one of the features of myself and what I'm looking up to in other people is authenticity. We kind of feel when somebody is not authentic, you know, and even if you're intellectually not capable or you're not thinking about it, when you watch someone on telly or in a movie or you meet someone instinctively, you say, I don't like that person or I like the person.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
She took some herself, but that's a different story. Sure, sure, sure. What did your dad do for a living? He had a transport company. Oh, he did? And I know what you're referring to in Austria. Back in the day, you had to prepay the VAT for your customers. So that was taking a lot of risks. So that went belly up.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And for me, there's a lot of correlation with being authentic. And I don't want to walk away from that. So whatever I do, whether the cameras or the microphone points to me, I'm trying to always be authentic and and not act for the cameras. Super important.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It's right there. Yeah, that's why we didn't play at the first season with Ferrari. I didn't want all of my people to be distracted by a camera and then suddenly perform well. Distracting. Yeah, of course. The camera points on you. So I never do that. But you understand that the show is so successful that there is a lot more visibility of yourself in Formula One that has happened.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
For me, the kind of status in terms of media visibility happened very late in my life. I was 45, 46. So I see it with a certain skepticism, surprise. Why would people wanting to take a selfie with me? And I look at the benefits.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, absolutely. So I generally am not starstruck. And I admire people that are really good in what they do, independently whether they are famous or not. But there was this moment when they started the documentary. They were interested in my role. And I think Javier Bardem plays a little bit of a toto. Yeah, okay. As a team owner and team principal. By the way, a super guy. Curious, interested.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
We're talking about this. And we are agreeing on dinner at our house in Oxford. It rings at the doorbell. Brad Pitt walks in. What? Into the house. Yeah.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It fucks you up, right? Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, George Clooney. There's not many of them, no? Yeah, exactly. But even in that group, it's Brad Pitt. Yeah, it's Brad Pitt. And that was a moment where I thought, we've come a long way. Yeah. That Brad Pitt is coming to the house. How does Susie handle Brad Pitt at dinner? Well, she obviously says to me that she likes me much more.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That was such a moment. But I'm looking at it, like I said, with a little bit of curiosity why all of this is happening. And I haven't found many advantages of being on TV. I mean, you get a better table in a restaurant.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, because you need to have your own vanity under control. And I'm realizing that I like that. And then I try to dial myself back and say, that is just linked to the role. A politician is recognized by everyone. The moment the politician is stopping the activity, nobody cares. And the same is in many other jobs. You're a CEO of a company, doesn't matter anymore.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You stop as an actor or I stop in my role, that's gone. And I think you need to be prepared that if one day you step out of the hamster wheel, that this is going to stop. And that's why it shouldn't play a big importance to us.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, I think my father was very successful at a young age. I was born into money, but then he lost all and had brain cancer. You're eight years old. Yeah. And at the beginning it was benign. And then over the next few years, it got really ugly to a degree that it was uncurable. He struggled for so long because he got operated and operated and operated and he changed his personality.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So I sold all the other cars. You did? Yeah, I had to tick the boxes in terms of what I wanted to have and achieve. And then I sold them all. Yeah, they're stressful. Yeah, also I didn't feel like it was authentic anymore, me driving around in an old Ferrari. Right. So I only kept the Mercedeses. And I have two of these, one Roadster convertible and one Gullwing.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
The gullwing, you know, is great, but it's getting very hot in there. There's no air condition. The engine in the gearbox is right underneath of you. So in LA, it would be troublesome.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So when you're next in Europe, tell us. We'll take you out into Calgary.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I take you too. We look a little bit like Frankensteins in the car, if you're two tall guys. So I'm taking the seating pillow out. So I'm not looking too stupid.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And then I fit under the steering wheel.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And I'm proud of that. Yeah, as you should be. She was a professional driver. She says, what do you expect when we are getting this question asked? So we were karting in the past and she's always two seconds faster. And then I thought I'm going to trick her. Obviously I'm heavier. So I put 25 kilograms of ballast in the car. Oh, great. So that's the wife of my children. They're maybe here.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
They may be here. Okay, great. We're landing the plane. So I put the weight in her kart, two seconds. She says the car is actually pretty good. Very stable. I got myself special qualifying tires. Red.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
You went for it. Your finger sticks in them.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I was generally not a book fan because I get asked quite regularly about biography, autobiography. And my answer is let's do that when I'm 80, because now people say I've been successful and let's write about it. But what is if I continue to fail now? So I don't want to have it stop at 50 and then take a nosedive. Exactly. So let's write it when I'm 80. Let's make sure we get to the finish line.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah. Or when I'm gone, then you can have a real summary. Right.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Exactly. I mean, we're certainly over halftime, both of us. And I hope so. We're over halftime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that book is different and special because it gives an insight into how the team operates. It's not an ego story. It is just the operation of the team. So I was a bit skeptical, but the journalist embedded himself really well.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And when a son is in his teenage years, you need your dad. You need your dad to look up to, to love. You need your dad to hate and to fight.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It is a little bit of a nerdy book for the operations of a Formula One team, but it seemed very interesting.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I'd love to say hi to Susie if she's there. Susie, I'm right in the podcast. Hello, Susie.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
No, no, I'll pass you over. I'll pass you over. I'll pass you over.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Okay. Oh, she's going to bed. Yeah, she's in Scotland. And so I have this override in ringtones. It's my wife and my two children. You need to show me how to do that.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, like an emergency bypass. So it always rings, even though I don't have a ringtone. I have the phone never on, just when they call. Okay. Yeah, I need to figure out how to do that. It's apologetic. It's just never on.
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, but I can give you an emergency override, like a bypass. If there's something that really bothers you, you just call me. If I'm in a really bad situation.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And we need to speak up about it because people look up to us and they think we're not vulnerable. I had these moments where I felt inadequate and I've had somebody telling me back in the day, and I suffer, but I'm still successful, that would have given me a lot of hope. And I didn't have hope at times.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
That was related to the failure of the company. I think my dad made my mother sign some collateral and she got a house, like an apartment building from her dad for the marriage. And that was gone, plus a credit. So that was already, my father was very ill, didn't know anymore what was right and wrong. And then she said, trust is very difficult to build and it's gone.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
So that's where they separated. But I have no bad memory about the separation, to be honest. They never had a bad word with each other. They kept that away from us. It was more seeing my mother struggle to make a living for us and my father not having had any money anymore. And that went so bad that I saw people coming to him asking basically to empty your pockets. That was tough for a young man.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I have a young sister, but she's not so young anymore. She's two years my junior.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
First of all, sorry to hear about your dad and your stepdad. A terrible guilt because it was at the point that his life was miserable. And I saw it. And then... you lose the connection, you lose respect. And it came to a point that when he died, I think today in hindsight, it was better for him. But I thought it's better for all of us. And the guilty feeling that you have was so bad.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And it's something that I only processed in the last few years. Well, you were a kid. Yeah, so you can't, in a way, analyze the feelings that maybe you could because you were an adult. But for me, that guilty feeling of thinking it's better for my dad to be gone. Well, you kind of wish it be over for them. And myself and my sister. So I think also we were... So close.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I remember being on his deathbed and obviously you're not seeing your father anymore, like the strong personality that people talk about. And these memories for a 15 year old and a 13 year old sister, I'm not sure I would do the same me as a parent. Yeah.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Yeah, I think as an adult, it's a gift. Not at 15. No. No, not at 15. That was certainly memories that are hugely difficult to digest as a kid. And as I said, you know, I'm 52 today. I would say that I probably processed it in the last five years only that I look at it, I feel more calm and reassured in my own existence.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
Only now I have found peace with him dying over so many years and also with my mother because my mother wasn't present at all because she needed to earn the money and she needed to look after herself and protect herself. So my sister and I were at home. We had Polish housekeeper. That was good for the language, actually. But she wasn't there. And now she's 79. She's not well.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
And she says to me, I wasn't a good mother. And I say, I forgive you because I know how difficult it was to be at home and see the suffering. But at the end, you're also responsible of how I am today. So I'd rather as a kid not having trauma, but I'm 52 years. And if you ask me whether I'd rather be who I am today or a white elephant, I'd rather be who I am today.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
I think that I was so busy in my life to get things done. And I always had that anxiety about failure. I said it jokingly that I'm a half empty glass person. I always stare into the abyss. Everything could be finished tomorrow. The racing could be ending. The winning ends. The money could be all gone. My wife leaves me for the hairdresser. All of that. I don't believe that anymore, by the way.
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Toto Wolff (team principal of Mercedes F1 team)
It'll be her trainer, not her hairdresser. It would be the fitness trainer, yeah. There is always dangers. And only in the last few years, I thought if everything was to end today, I could go with a good feeling.
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Also stecken sie den Wiener rein, sie bewegen es nicht und dann geht jemand unter das Bett und drückt es.
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Sieh, sie schlagen das Bett in Mormon. Es ist etwas, was normalerweise von Mormontieren gemacht wird, die erwartet sind, dass sie Völkern bleiben. Es heißt, es heißt Jump-Humping. Jump-Humping? Also, der Junge geht unter das Bett und bewegt das Bett.
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You did. Either one didn't happen. Say it to me right now. What? I'll pretend I'm Morgan and say that exactly what he said.
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Oh yeah, walk in the room and let me see. Say that. You're sexy as fuck.
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Love you, dude. Okay! Stop! Now, I know I was supposed to go last night. I texted you. It was wild. I texted you today. I apologize.
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Er macht das, die Kinder haben eine Erinnerung wie ein fucking Elefant.
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You are very funny. This is a key case of confabulation. Confabulation.
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Thank you, bro. That's also a crazy lie. During COVID, I did outdoor shows all the time. You know the kid on the east side who had a show in a tree house in his backyard? Do you know what I'm talking about? Ja. Ich habe das gemacht. Du hast das nie gemacht. War das in Santa Monica? Santa Monica. Nein, Santa Monica war richtig. Nein, nein, nein. Ich glaube, es gibt viele Trennhäuser in der Stadt.
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Ich fuhr immer hinunter. Ich fuhr immer hinunter nach Dana Point für zwei Shows. Dana Point. Okay. I love it. No, I don't know where it is.
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Das ist der Alternativname für das Show. Der irische Jungen und der fat asianische Jungen. Nicht fat anymore. Nicht fat anymore. Das ist das, was er sagte. Zempi is cooking.
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Next time you cough into the mic, put it on the autotune. I want to hear autotune cough. You're sick too, aren't you? I thought you guys make fun of each other on this podcast. Not anymore.
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Ja, put that away. Let me put that aside. Put that in the holster. Because you're looking skinny lately. How many people on tour commented that the Ozempic must be working because you look skinny?
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Das ist ein Threat. Das ist ein Threat. Das ist ein Threat. Das ist ein Threat. Das ist ein Threat.
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What do you have for lunch? Panda Express? I mean, cut it out, dude. Yeah, yeah, cut it out. Wait, wait a minute. How old is the gentleman with Parkinson's? He's 77.
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Really good, dude. Will you once grab it? Will you sing Allah Akbar once? Yeah, yeah.
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I want that as my ringtone so bad. No, okay, hold on. This is good. Went to private members club in Disneyland 33. You went to club 33? Yeah, I went there.
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This is fun. This is fun. Let's do this. So you felt like you bombed meeting Lil Dicky for real?
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Ich glaube. Das ist wie sagen, wir machen beide Amplifikationen von Geräuschen. Du bist immer noch anders. Ja, ja. Aber er... Er ist jemand, den du, wenn du gut bist, respektierst.
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Oh Gott. Und er sagt, ich fasse nicht mit dem Mann. Du hast keinen Kontext dafür. Du hast schon einige von dir? Ich habe nur zwei. Ich habe nur zwei auch. Lass uns nur zwei machen. Ich kann nicht denken, wie viele es sind. Du kannst dir noch einen lustigen denken. Du bist kreativ. Sing about the idiots in the booth real fast.
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That worked. I can't believe I've remembered how to make a paper airplane.
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It's Morgan J. Okay. You really think his... You think J. Morgan? You've known him. I know, but I thought he switched it.
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I don't know why that happened. Because of two first names.
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You gotta continue. Ching Chong Ping Pong is not good enough. You gotta say fried rice from Hong Kong.
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I'm happy. I think we've always said as soon as we could employ and have fun with our friends, that was like we beat the system. Wir können zusammen arbeiten. Jeder hier ist ein Freund von vielen Jahren her. Außer einer, der neu ist. Aber der ist mein ältester Freund in Los Angeles und wir arbeiten zusammen.
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Unser Ziel war es, dass du mit deinen Freunden arbeiten kannst. Können wir das immer machen?
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Ich habe das gemacht, wo du sie machst und du sagst, Alter, können wir das nicht ausmachen?
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Wenn du in einem schlechten Ort warst, manchmal während des Tages kommst du und sagst, Bruder, ich habe es nicht gut gemacht. Ich hätte es nicht gemacht.
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Das ist richtig. Ja, das war lustig. Das kleine Ding, das wir gemacht haben. Wir wussten nicht, dass wir das machen werden. Es hängt davon ab, auf welchem Show. Aber manchmal müssen wir uns vorbereiten.
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Was meinst du? Ich meine, du musst einige Gäste haben, die du denkst, dass sie die Zähne drücken werden, richtig? Nein, ich koordiniere oft mit diesen Leuten auf Sachen, die wir auf dem Show machen werden. Aber Bobby ist ein... Es ist wie ein Hidden-Camera-Show für ihn. Er ist nie... Weißt du, was ich meine? Er zeigt sich immer und er ist immer die fucking Sache.
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Aber das ist das Wichtigste, dass wir dich aufstehen, um frei zu fliegen.
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Weißt du nicht, dass wir hinter den Szenen arbeiten?
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Es ist ein Schwellen. Es ist ein Ein-Footer, Alter.
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Kann ich nur sagen, dass deine Augenbrauen wie Hitler-Mustachen sind?
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Nein, nein, ich weiß, Andres ist krank. He comes into the studio sick every fucking week. Do you guys get sick a lot when you tour?
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Bro, he even has a hot driver's license photo. Look how hot he is, dude. He's hot in the photo. He's got a sight. He's doing one of these.
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No, I don't get sick much. I have a good immune system. But he does bring his bullshit ass baby and his fucking wife works in a hospital. So this motherfucker brings shit in here every week. I'll immediately be like, oh, you've been sick. And I'll go, you're sick. And then what do you say every time I go, are you sick? What do you say? I was. I was. I'm over it. Yeah, he's always over it.
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So the day that he gets healthy is we pod the next day. Just a coincidence that he's always just over it. I get it. Fucking liar. Call him a fucking dirty sick liar. He's a dirty Spaniard liar.
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Wenn du singst? Hast du das jemals gemacht, wenn du in einem Hotel bist? Nein, nein, aber ich singe mit meiner Gitarre. Oh, wirklich? Ja. Kannst du dir vorstellen, den Kopf zu nehmen, während du so... Oh, ja.
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Chicks have to love that shit though, huh? They love it. I'm a goofy guy. They like a goofy guy. Yeah. Nah, you're a handsome cat though too. So how do you break that up when you're on the road?
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Nein, er meint, dass du stockierst. Schau dir das an, lege dein Shirt auf. Du bist nicht fett. Nein, du hast Gewicht verloren, Bro. Was ist das? Er ist auf Ozempic. Ich versuche dich nicht zu kämpfen, Alter. Okay, lass uns los. Ich lasse es gehen. Ich lasse es gehen, ich lasse es gehen.
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Sag ihm, was du mir in Australien gesagt hast, was passieren wird.
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with the shirt off. This cat is in unbearably good shape and you'll never get near this. And he still looks kind of fat. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but The Rock is on train or something. Yeah, he's on train. So, zoom in. Look, he's in phenomenal shape. You don't think I can look like that? Oh, dude. But look at it. His belly still is loose, because we're not young anymore. You're not a kid.
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Oh yeah, say what you wanna say. Let me say what I wanna say. Say what you wanna say. This is his favorite. Let him do this.
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This is my point. Women already like the way he is. He pulls beautiful women. So to change is weird. The same girls aren't gonna find you attractive. Somebody said, I already told you.
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Ja, das war wirklich lustig. Ich habe dir die wildeste Scheiße über diesen Jungen erzählt. Hab ich dir jemals diese Geschichte erzählt?
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Nein, aber habe ich dir das jemals erzählt? Nein. Die wildeste Geschichte, Alter. Das ist vor einiger Zeit. Ich und Rogan und George Perez. Und wir spielen in Austin. Was ist der Club? Warum kann ich es nicht erinnern? Cap City. Ja, der alte. Und wir sind da unten. Und am nächsten Morgen ist George so wie, hey, Bro, wir wollen fucking hoch wie ein Motherfucker.
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Und ich war so, oh, ja, absolut, Alter. Lass uns aufhören und runtergehen durch die Lady Bird Lake oder so. Wir gehen nach Stone und Rogan fragt uns nach dem Hotel von Four Seasons. Und er kommt. Er sagt uns, wann wir da sind. Und ich dachte, oh Scheiße, Alex Jones kommt?
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Ich bin fasziniert von diesem Kerl. Er wird nicht mit mir sprechen. Ich werde nur neben ihm zu einem Abendessen zu Chaos hören. Weißt du, was ich meine? Ja, da war ein Stück von mir, das war so, das ist eine schlechte Idee. Ich will nicht mit diesem verdammten Loonatech fotografiert werden. Aber er kommt nach dem Abendessen und er sieht, dass überall Armtücher sind.
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Und er sitzt da und wir sind draußen auf dem Badezimmer, umschlossen von ein paar Leuten. Und wie gesagt, George und ich haben gebacken und wir schauen nur nacheinander, weil es so seltsam ist. Und er hat eine Frau gebracht, eine Freundin oder so, was auch immer.
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I don't remember, man. She's just like a woman. I don't know. But he's, the whole time, he's like in the middle of conversations with Rogan. Like deep, deep. They didn't look at, you know, he didn't look away from her once. And he would be like, yeah, and then you're the girl. This is the girl with him.
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Und sie gibt ihm einen Kuss. Und dann sagt er, und wie gesagt.
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Oh mein Gott, das ist so ein toller Move. I'm in like a fucking Curb episode. Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, I mean, wow. That was the weirdest thing. What was sucky, sucky $2?
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By the way, I wanted to put this fact out there to the world because it shocked me. Wann ist Picasso gestorben? Picasso. Wahrscheinlich in den 60ern? In den 80ern. In den 70ern. In den 70ern? Wir sind nah dran. Ja, aber ich dachte sicher, es war vor dem.
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Can I ask you about art? Wait, but it's G-O-U-G-H, right? Well, it's Dutch. Can I ask you about art? Yeah, but we're not, bro. That's true. That's Van Gogh. Is Keith Haring good? You know my stance. What is it? No. Have you seen the doodler, the doodle guy? That guy's better than Keith Haring. That guy's really great. I fuck with that guy, Mr. Doodle. Yeah, Mr. Doodle.
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The guy in the subway? Yeah. He painted his whole house. In doodles. It's crazy. Bring up Mr. Doodle real fast. This dude is fucking incredible. Keith Haring was... This guy is incredible. This guy is a magician. I've never seen someone so talented. And it's just like... I don't know how it comes out of his brain. It's all freehand. And it comes out perfect.
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Nein, nein, nein. Diese sind anders. Diese sind anders. Andy Warhol, Andy Warhol. Schau, schau, schau. Komm schon, Bro. Bitte, Alter.
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He wanted to bring awareness. He went and got AIDS just so he could do the art.
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Here's the problem. I like it, but I don't want it. It's fine. I fuck with it. He's talented, but also like, I don't know, it's fine.
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You know how I feel about Basquiat. He's cool. But again, his shit isn't like, wow. He's just cool. This is the problem, I fit this in cool artists. That's cool, but I never go, wow. Ich sage einfach, das ist cool. Ja, aber ich sehe das, als hätte ich ein Shirt bei Target.
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So when you Chinese people give each other Wing Wong names and Ding Dong names.
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How do you not know your fucking... I don't know how to spell it.
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Yeah. Korean fried chicken is bomb as fuck. Yeah, bro, they're fucking crushing it right now.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Das war das größte Problem mit Australien, übrigens. Zu viele weiße Frauen. Die Futter war Dachschutz. Ja, ich habe immer Thai-Futter, wenn ich zu diesen... Wir auch, aber du kommst aus dem... Weil auch dann denkst du, okay. Es gibt zu viele Weiße. Das ist ein weltweiter Wissen. Wenn du zu viele weiße Frauen in deinem Land hast und nicht genug andere, dann ist deine Futter verdammt.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Sie lieben KFC. Ja. Aber ich glaube, unser bestes, bis heute, ist Poppys. Ich glaube, Poppys f**kt am stärksten. Ich glaube, es ist das krispigste, was wir in Amerika bekommen.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Das beste gebratenes Kuchen, das ich je hatte, war... Eines von ihnen war definitiv bei Chappelle's. Wow. Wir hatten Kuchen und Waffeln um 1.30 Uhr morgens.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
War das an seinem Platz? Ich konnte nicht schlafen. Ich dachte, ich würde einen Herzinfarkt haben. Er hatte einen weltbekannten Chef, nachdem wir unsere Show gemacht haben. Und die Show ist fertig, wir haben geschlossen, alle Partys sind vorbei. Er hat gesagt, wir gehen Kaffee und Waffeln essen. Und ich war so, wo? Er hat gesagt, hier. Und wir sind in einen privaten Diningraum gegangen.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Und sie haben uns Waffeln mit Homemade Butter und Sirup bestellt. Das war unglaublich. Es war wunderschön. Und dann hat er gesagt, lass uns tanzen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Every time you interrupt him, he's gonna do the fucking thing. Let me see some of these questions. Alright, so some of the questions that he wrote down, or some of the talking points. Making this list because I feel like I'm not a good podcast guest. Did Whitney's podcast, she never put it out. Did Dumbfoundead podcast, we had to redo it.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Aber ehrlich gesagt, er ist wie ein Traum. Wow. Wo es Leute gibt, wo du denkst, oh, wäre das so lustig, mit ihm zu hangen? Mit Chappelle?
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Er hat so einen wunderschönen Laden in der Stadt, der alle Chapelle-Geräte hat.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Er kann alles nehmen, was er will. Er geht da rein und nimmt alles. Und wir waren so, nein, nein, wir kriegen ein Shirt oder ein Hat. Und wir sind da gestanden. Und die Leute, die da arbeiten, waren so mit Backen. Okay, Leute, werdet ihr alles in eine Packung geben, die ihr mögt? Es war wild, Mann. Ich war so, oh, das ist... Du fühlst dich so, als würdest du es nicht verdienen. Ja.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Wo du ein bisschen beschämt bist. Aber er ist der... Weißt du, was ich meine?
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
He flew us in his jet. And then he met us at the airport. And he was like, well, there was a driver there that somebody had arranged. Aber dann war er auch da, um zu sagen, was los ist und zu sagen, gut, dich zu sehen. Und dann dachten wir, okay, wir lassen ihn alleine. Er ist so, komm in mein Auto.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Er ist so charismatisch lustig, dass der Weg, wie er konversiert, so... Er ist sehr intelligent, also ist die Art und Weise, wie er die Welt darstellt, einfach lustig. Das ist so cool. Er ist der Typ, er ist Willy Wonka. Für mich war das wie ein Tag, als ich Charlie war.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
I was engaging my sphincter. My dick got a little thicker. I brushed it against the porcelain. Stood there for like an honest minute. And now I'm a she. My kids have two moms now.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
I cut my penis right off at the Sydney airport. You'll find a little Cheeto in Stall 4, Sydney airport.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Oh yeah, we went to Perth too. No, we almost didn't let us into the country. Oh really? Because his passport was chewed up by the dog.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Er war mit dir zu argumentieren. Warst du allein? Hast du ihn da einfach verlassen? Nein, wir hatten eine Tour. Wir hatten alle auf dem Flugzeug gekommen. Er war am letzten an der Linie.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Sie ist dein Protégé. Sie hat sie Tiger Milf genannt? Ja.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Yeah, did you end up at Carbone? You ended up on Air New Zealand. We ended up getting in there.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Okay, also hör mal. Du hast Whitney gemacht und sie hat es nie ausgesprochen. Nein, sie hat es nie ausgesprochen. Aber das ist auch, weil sie hätte die falsche Pille genommen und den Puff vergessen. Dann hattest du eine Kolonoskopie am Freitag. Und die Drogen, die sie dir gegeben haben, fühlten sich gut an.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Oh, Propanol, richtig? Ja, es war gut. Das ist gut, Carlos, nicht so schlecht. Kann ich mein Intro kurz beenden?
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Was ist dein Problem? Er ist der Typ, der seine Pupen an die Audienzen zeigt. Das macht Sinn. Ich dachte, das war deine Energie. This makes sense.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Did Ozempic shrink your hands? Look at your little finger.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
You gotta see it. I don't wanna see it. I wanna see it. I refuse to see it. I gotta see it. Why'd you get a vasectomy? Because you never wanna have kids.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
You shave with a razor? Or with like a... I shave with a razor.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
I shave with a razor, yeah. You go down on women. Italians don't do that neither. We don't do that.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Er wollte nicht, dass er... Das war immer ein Faux-Pas für italienische Amerikaner. Es war wie, du isst mein... Willst du es sehen? Ich habe es gerade gesehen. Du hast es nicht gesehen.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Warte, lass uns zurückgehen. Du bist 37 Jahre alt. Ja. Und du hast eine Vasectomie, weil du es nie wollen willst. Du bist wie, keine Kinder je.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Oh yeah, you told me that. Wait a minute, because if you do it in a small town, she'll probably have the kid.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Oder du bist vielleicht der Appetizer und dann sie.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Haben wir diese Desinfektant-Rasen? Das ist verrückt, Alter. Du sauberst seine Seite, aber meine Seite so? Sie saubern meine Seite nicht. Ich bekomme es einfach nicht so dreckig, wie du es machst. Das ist eine große Unterschiede.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
He's saying the person that claimed pregnancy, there was no transactional jizz.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
And they haven't... I really can. Du siehst einen alten Asienmann mit seinen Händen hinter seinem Rücken, der durch die Straße strömt. Ich weiß. Er nimmt eine Pause, um zu atmen. Wenn es aus deinem Penis kommt, ist sie weg. Sie ist schon zu Hause. Sie ist weg.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Oh, richtig, weil Trump vielleicht eine Weile abnehmen wird.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Oh, guck mal. Oh, es sind Nacken. Yo, this is great. Oh. You sell these at your show? It's Doc's penis.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
I'm going to wear this. I rock this. You know what's so funny?
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
No, we like that. There are times on the podcast when I'm sick and tired of the Spaniards bullshit. Why can't we fire him? Are we waiting for him to be deported? Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go. He's worthless. A disgusting porg of a man. Thank you.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Ich bin nervös. Just wipe it. Just wipe it. You don't let it soak.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
I soak so good. Mormons do. Some people do. Mormons are the big soakers. Some people do. Super soakers. Mormons are the super soakers of the world. Und wer ist der Junge, der unter dem Bett geht und das Bett schlägt? Was ist sein Name? Also, die schlagen, richtig? Weil sie keine Bewegung haben.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
So, was ich zu Morgan vor dem Show gesagt habe, habe ich gesagt, ich liebe, was du tust. Ich sagte, aber du hast auch einen Versuch gemacht, unseren Comedy-Welt, weil er so gut ist. Und es ist so wundervoll. Ich sehe, dass Leute ihn online kopieren. Wir sprechen darüber. Es gibt Leute in anderen Ländern, die das jetzt als Stand-Ups tun, um ihn zu sein. Und sie sind fucking...
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
It's so weird. They're trying to do this thing, but it's so bad that it bums me out. It's almost like you wish you could... Copyright your style. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because whenever somebody, if you're weird and you suck, but you're unique, I like you. Yeah. I said that to him. I like it.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
But if you're weird, but I know you're doing an impression of another guy, can't fucking stand it.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Ich will zu diesem Teil deines Persönlichkeits kommen. Okay, das ist ein Problem. Dieses Teil deines Persönlichkeits.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
Don't I make you feel comfortable? You make me feel comfortable. See? Why are you shooting so hard at him? I'm not shooting hard.
Bad Friends
Paper Airplanes Come & Steal Your Girl
I'm rattled. Carlos called it. Thank you. What is it? You get rattled when it's a hot guy. No, you don't. Yes, he does, bro. Yes, he always does. Tell me I'm lying. I don't think he's hot. You're so full of shit, dude. Shut the fuck up. That's insane. You 100%.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
You got to finish it, man. You got to ask for the second date.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
It's a friend date.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
I like you. This isn't grease. I love you.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
You should hang out with Zach Moore.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
Definitely no date with them.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
Why is there a... I don't want to know.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
Mechanical bull?
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
Oh, really? Hey, that's good.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
Or he puts his hair up in pigtails and gets the skirt on and is all about it.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
So you lassoed him up. That's cool.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
Second date update.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
Why are they always out of order?
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
That's a good lesson, Mom.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
Are you just wasted every weekend? Do you not remember? Yeah.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
It's been a pleasure.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
You almost finished that.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Cowboy Confusion
It does make sense to you? What makes sense? Jeff, explain.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
Yeah, bro. Yeah. I want to ask you this, man. And I don't know if you want to go into the story, but I'm going to say this and you make the decision here. Right. But like you, you had an experience where you came to this realization, man, that you were swimming against the river. Yeah, you know I'm saying yeah, and like you said me most people don't get that.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
Yeah ever Yeah, but like you gotta you gotta like live in that.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
I love it. Guys, Andy, let's do our third and final question. Question number three. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Andy, I'm taking major action this year on changing the culture of our company as it is currently toxic. I have constant turnover in my CSR position. I know it's because of the culture. My questions are two parts.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
One, how do you transform the culture of a company when bad habits are in place? I'm not tolerating the behavior I've been accepting for so long now by standing firm and putting action behind my words, by writing employees up, letting people go if they don't adopt new behaviors to work as a team. But is there anything specific that you would suggest?
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
And then the second question, second part is what's the best advice you can give on how to replicate myself? I am drowning in the weeds and can't seem to find the person with a work ethic to fit the standards I need for the job. I know the interview process is everything, so I've been developing my interviewing skills. But do you have any advice on that topic?
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
This show has been on repeat as I've learned so much. Thank you. God bless.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
I want to clarify this too. What you're saying is you can set all the standards you want. You can make them look nice in the lobby and all of that. And you can fire as many people that don't hold themselves to that. But none of that shit will matter if you as the owner operator are not holding this.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
At least once a month.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
It was just cool. Dude, that dude's built some shit, man. He's built some shit. You know what I'm saying? Like seeing that trade being taught to those kids by a dude who's taken that skill.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
Well, I got three good ones for you.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
Guys, I need a question. Number one. Andy, I grew up avoiding conflict and difficult conversations because they made me uncomfortable. Now, as a team leader, I realize this habit is holding me back from addressing problems directly. How can I build the fortitude to tackle through conversations without fear or avoidance? What do we got on this?
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
Yeah, for sure. I think a lot of it is, like you said, they put too much pressure on what the other person is going to think. And I've been in those situations. You bring it up, it's like, oh.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
I've also heard you two say this, and I don't know if it applies to this, but I've seen you do this in action where you focus on just the intent.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
100 percent, man. I think the other cool like I mean, we talk about reasons why people have problems with this situation, too. And, you know, we got to put some onus on the person trying to have this conversation. If you ain't got your shit together. It's kind of hard to have a difficult conversation about somebody else that ain't got their shit together. Yeah. Right.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
Like I think you said before, like you got to hold yourself accountable to hold anybody else accountable. Yeah. And so, I mean, I think that I feel like that might be another reason where like, you know, the reason you don't want to have the conversation because, you know, your shit ain't right.
Giggly Squad
Giggling about morning anxiety, childhood pets, and european bangs
Let's get to question number two. Andy, I'm a 45-year-old teacher who loves my work. But after two decades, I'm realizing I've neglected my personal aspirations outside the classroom. I used to dream of writing a novel, but now it feels like too much time has passed and I don't know if I still have it in me. How do I reignite that passion and give myself permission to dream again? Start now.
Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Alex Wiltschko - Giving Computers A Sense Of Smell - [Invest Like the Best, EP.415]
Okay.
Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Alex Wiltschko - Giving Computers A Sense Of Smell - [Invest Like the Best, EP.415]
Yeah.
Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Alex Wiltschko - Giving Computers A Sense Of Smell - [Invest Like the Best, EP.415]
Yeah.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
MTGM EXTRA! "His ex is a 10/10..."
Hello and welcome to My Purpose Goes To Be with Me, Joanne McNally, and my co-host and work wife. Hello, Vogue Williams. Thank you. Thanks for spending time with me and Jo, Vogue. We really appreciate it. She's perching again.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Feminists rolling in their graves in shock.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Comparison is the thief of joy. Yes. As they say.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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I know. I know. I know. I've told you, I'm big into philosophy at the moment.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Yeah, on TikTok, I read three quotes a day and I really... Did you see I emailed you back on TikTok? And then I just throw them out of people I see during the day and I sound knowing. Really, it's just, I just have one line.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Jesus, we have another channel of communication open for ourselves. We'll never stop. We needed more if you're asking me. But yeah, I also know what it's like when, so there's a particular style of women who wear the kind of heavily tattooed, the cool chicks, as they'd say.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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and I went out with a guy before who that was very much his type before me and very much his type after me which I found a little intimidating because I wasn't like that and I was like oh god if he's into that maybe I should start doing that so I had a similar thought process and I'll tell you I'm very fucking glad I didn't start getting a load of tattoos for that man I'm very glad now that I didn't do that 100% yeah
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Reminder, Peanut File is on sale. New stand-up show on sale at shuamachnayu.com. Thank you.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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I know. Yeah, totally. You're like, oh, I'm not like I'm not a monster.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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She had a mic drop moment where she actually, because you don't have any filler in your lips, do you?
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Yeah. Because usually when they accuse us of stuff, it's true. Yeah. And we don't reply at all. So when we know we're in the right, it's great to get that reply in. Well done. And now I've got to air my dirty laundry on the podcast. Everything else is absolutely true. But she hasn't had a filler. So fair.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Bit of news from me. Bit of news. Oh, great. Yeah. My first ever Christmas tree, Jo. My first ever tree.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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No, well, I know I sound like a dick, but Lauren, the new PA, did it all.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Usually just the children meditating in the corner. Gigi would just play with the sound bell. Just like very relaxed. Gigi loves yoga. So I know, look, it's a very bougie and privileged thing to be able to have a personal assistant. But my God, I think this is going to change my life. I'm thrilled. All that logistical stuff that I just never... Could never.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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And now I know, look, a Christmas tree isn't exactly like, you know, it's not exactly the most important thing in the world. It is. But that's just one thing she's doing. It's like all that stuff that I struggle with.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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I've developed some sort of weird, kind of, they're not particularly strange. I wouldn't call them quirks. But as I've aged, I'm very comfortable with my legs underneath my ass. Jo, have you found this? Yeah, it's very rare I just sit regularly now. I don't know if I'm doing it for attention. I'm usually on my own when I do it, so I don't know why I'm doing it. I'm always up here perching.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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I think it's Ross Muir. You know, the artist that I love. Because I ordered some prints of him. I think that's what they are.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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You don't have any wall space. I know. What I'm going to do now is I'm going to start stacking them above. So I'm going to go like three frames deep on each wall.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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I fucking know. I'll never get over the part. I have to stop giving out about the price of framing.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Joe, we told you, we can't do it if you're not looking at us. We can't. At least put a holding picture up for God's sake. Yeah, we need to get, you need to just kind of loop a photo where he's just kind of, Joe? All right, folks, we'll leave it there. Oh, he's back.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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What, is she out working? Where is she going?
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Do you know what? And I know we talk about this a lot, but this is my take on. I think having a broken home is great for a parent's personal time.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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And if you have a pair, if you were co-parenting with somebody who's actually going to do it with you, you get 50% of your time back. I don't know. I mean, if you have a dad who's quite handsome, I know a lot of dads don't really, they don't really take the kids 50% of the time. Is that sexist show you're kind of looking at?
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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That's probably broadly true. Not all dads. Not all dads, but we do, it's only the bonus, so we don't have time for nuance. We're going in stereotypical.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Yeah, a lot of dads aren't really, they don't take the kids 50%.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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I mean, it's a great setup for a man, I can tell you. She raises the... Am I going complete trad wife here on this? She's doing it all alone. It's so early and we had our Christmas party last night that I'm afraid my real opinions are going to slip out without me having time to put them through the woke lens. But men don't do anything with their kids. I'm set up. Sorry. Sorry, Jack.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Well, it's very clear you're suggesting that Spencer hasn't nailed it.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Joe, do you know Waterford Whispers? I just want to do a little shout out.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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It's so good. Joe, they're not Banksy. They don't. I think they're Banksy.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Who's this? I'm not answering that. What am I? No, I think they do. Oh, OK.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Waterford Whispers. It's particularly funny at the moment. Or maybe they're just coming up my algorithm more because I've been engaging with their posts. They had a really funny post about Conor McGregor.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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It's one of her faves. She loves it. Here it is. Doesn't reflect my values. McGregor's Coke dealer, Sever's tie with UFC man really made me laugh. And then they, and then they had one about, um, Greg Wallace. Calm down. Just got me again there. I've looked at Reddit 16 times. Calm down, sugar tits. Greg Wallace's guide to crafting the perfect apology.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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at this age it's really painful oh yeah yeah yeah it's not nice at all because we had to do it I was like I can't do this in the dancing show I was like I'm not doing it they're like you can't kneel I was like no I actually can't kneel I can't do it I could do it but I don't want to harm the babies so I don't the baby faces the baby faces in my knees I think it'd be quite cruel I'd look I mean I'd love to smash them out but I can't I won't I don't want to hurt the babies no you can hear them cry when I kneel they'll be looking they'll be looking after you when you're older
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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oh god so you found yourself in a spot of bother and now some middle class women of a certain age won't take a joke groping out trying to give out to HR you might be fearing the worst job gone career over but relax one of the world's leading apology experts Greg is on hand to dispense his priceless advice I'll get everyone back on your side Step one. Step one. Step one. De-escalate.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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There's been a clear misunderstanding of a harmless banter. Calm down, sugar tits. Fire any and all publicists working for you. You've got this. I'd say his PR is crying.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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I would say those circumstances can bring out narcissism. Like circumstances can, help you develop narcissism. Like, if he wasn't super famous, if he wasn't Nick Cannon, chances are he probably wouldn't be a narcissist. It's my balloon theory, which I made up yesterday. If you've enough people blowing smoke up your hole, you will turn into a narcissistic balloon.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Oh dear. Oh no. I'm sad for her already. Go on.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Thank you for thinking that we would go down that route. I'm offended at the suggestion.
My Therapist Ghosted Me
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Well, I mean, we don't... There needs more information here. Like, why did they break up? Who broke up with who? What's the situation? Are they still in touch? Do they follow each other? Are they DMing? Like, this is... There's more information needed. We need a follow-up email.
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That is the main thing. That's the thing you have to focus on. And also, like even if he is DMing her, that doesn't mean he should get a nose job. Do you know what I mean? Like, do you know the call let them theory, Mel Robbins' let them theory? Are you familiar? Yeah.
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It's kind of a, well, I mean, they're making this, I like Mel Robbins, they're making this huge deal about it, like she's kind of, like she's Eckhart Tolle, the kind of paranoid thing. Let them is this thing of like, just let things happen. Let it play out. You can't stop stuff. If you can kind of develop this attitude of, do you know what? If he's going to fantasize about his ex, let him.
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Do you know what I mean? There's nothing you can do about it.
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Yeah. Yeah. And maybe just get a little... Maybe just get them tattooed on. Just lean into it completely. Just trace around the baby faces that are already there. Miley Cyrus has them as well. I think if Miley has baby knees, I mean, if it's good enough for Miley, it's good enough for me.
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But I guess what she's implying is that she feels in his eyes that she's less than his ex. Like, do you know what I mean? If you took him out of the equation, this woman wouldn't be thinking about this other woman. So she's worried that he's comparing them. So she's doing the comparing for him, even though she doesn't know if he's actually even comparing them. Do you know what I mean?
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And I've gone out, in the past, I've gone out with men who at the start of the relationship I found very attractive and at the end of the relationship I didn't find attractive at all because they kind of lost their shine for me because the relationship didn't work. So maybe in his eyes, she's a little pig.
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Well, it's the side that you had the skin cancer removal. I want to talk to you about that. There's a little bit more... Roughage?
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Well, I love that because it's a kind of great catch-all question. And it feels preventative more than, I mean, of course I go to, I think about women who are in domestic violence situations, seniors who are in unsafe situations with their caregivers, like people who are vulnerable people.
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No. Well, yes, it is the face of your... Robert Redford? It's the side of your face that faces your car window, which usually is going to have more wrinkles. I see that majorly on my crow's feet.
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who maybe having that question asked of them leads them on a path to sharing where another thing, I don't know if it's a law in Idaho, it probably is because they have horrible gun laws. But I know in Florida, the Republican legislation was trying to pass a law that made it illegal for a doctor to ask people if they had guns in their homes in terms of safety.
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Because it interferes with the entire gun fetish, money-making evil thing. And for doctors to say that implies like, oh, this is a safety issue that can be avoided. I mean, it's the number one reason children die in this country. Yeah.
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You think you can? And by the way, there are plenty of MAGA and Democratic gun owners.
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Who... I mean, by and large, people in this country want common sense gun laws.
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If you are a gun owner and you understand and have respect for like their weapons.
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You would want only like mentally well and respect.
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People who are screened to lock their guns up properly, like all of these laws that the Democrats are trying to push through. Yeah. Everyone would be for. But it's it's all of it gets all tied up. It's the leadership who are getting paid off by the gun lobby.
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Well, it is. And that's the one issue that I'm just like. How have we failed our children so miserably in this one department where we're the only ones doing it, you know?
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Okay. Listen, I had a thought the other day. Okay. I know it's hard for you to adopt certain habits...
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And also like, The fact that it's the number one reason kids die. The other thing of like educating people, if you have a teenager in your home and you have guns in your home, like the likelihood of them dying by suicide exponentially increases.
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So you have to weigh those things. If you're like thinking about getting a gun for protecting yourself, you know, hopefully people are educated about what that means for inside your family. And I think doctors should be the ones who are sharing that information.
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No, a lot of people don't. The gun lobby has like done a great job, unfortunately, of keeping people out of, you know, uneducated about things. By the way, I mean, we live here in Los Angeles.
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I've like fucked shit up already because I'm going... When we go to play dates and stuff and I'm like, hey, do you have guns in your house? Because that's when this shit happens is kids go off to play in a new house. The friends are excited to show like the secret naughty thing or this cool thing or whatever it is to them. And someone gets shot. And so literally...
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And I – moms demand action, you know, because I am associated with them and stuff. The thing is you need to ask that to protect your kid, unfortunately. Similar to, hey, do you guys have a pool or like if you don't know and you're sending your kid off to go play, do you have a pool if your kid can't swim? Mm-hmm.
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But the pushback I've gotten from asking that question... Well, you've offended people. I've greatly offended people.
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Well, it's like... And also, even people that I would think are also kind of like-minded and might have been told, this is something you need to ask, seem so confused and weirded out by me asking the question and me just going like, hey... Sorry if this is weird. I have to ask, like, do you have any guns in the house? And unfortunately, in some cases, it's caused...
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You have ADHD. I think that makes it harder for you to adopt certain habits.
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I know. I will say that is kind of how I presented it usually. But anywho.
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They're out there. I love that the doctors are asking that, especially for senior citizens. I think there's a lot of probably quiet, unsafe situations that senior citizens find themselves in. And to ask just this, like, do you feel safe in your home is such a poignant question.
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I think it is. I mean, I chalk up a lot of stuff to ADHD.
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That should be our episode title. Guns and penises and venereal disease.
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Yeah, it became renowned as the botched job and your family's lore at this point.
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But it's honestly, it's not that big of a deal.
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It's just you're... You're half circumcised.
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I'm so excited to speak with you for an hour as though no one's listening.
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Interesting. So it sounds similar to like... a blood pact or getting branded or something that like cults do, but it's your penis. Yeah.
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But I wonder if there's something about like removing that skin is exposing your penis more to be more like virile or like something about exposing where the semen comes out, like means you're going to have more kids or, you know, what if you literally just completely cracked the code? I think I did.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that was ADHD.
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And like the pain, the pain that goes in.
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I respect it for cultures that it is now tradition and stuff. But I also I'm like, do we need to do that? Like, it just seems a little bit kind of now we know how to keep things clean. And I don't know. It just seems a little unnecessary.
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Um, so I, yesterday, I'm, I'm going to transition us out of penises, I think.
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Um, and health, but I went down memory lane. I, because of the fires, I'm trying to get us like organized. So I know what we're grabbing. Another thing I realized I didn't grab that I'm pretty horrified that it didn't even occur to me even until like yesterday, basically. Yeah. is this little box I have of like special cards, letters, pictures, like artwork from the kids that are for me.
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You have like an envelope, a plastic envelope that has cards from the kids and stuff like that. We should grab those should this situation knock on wood doesn't ever happen again. But in going through this, I came across some cards, most of the cards you've given me over the years.
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Your, like, growth in card writing is so astronomical.
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You go to the bathroom. You say as you're going to the bathroom, I'm going to brush my teeth and I'm going to get my mouth guard, get my mouth guard.
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Because you give really good, thoughtful cards. I mean, aside from maybe last year's, I forget if it was Valentine's Day or Mother's, it was Valentine's Day, I think, where you gave me the Nacho Queen card. Maybe that was a Patreon episode we discussed it on.
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That was more reminiscent of your early cards.
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Now, there was also kind of a style of card you liked to give me, which was these kind of very specifically drawn cartoon characters. Really? Do you know what I'm talking about?
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Okay, well, I just want to read a few of the cards. Hello, lover. So you are 27 years young. Wow. Whoa. I'm here to tell you that you don't need to buy those Depends just yet.
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This year is going to kick royal ass.
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I can't wait to watch you catch your dreams. I'm so proud of you and know that this year will be one you will tell our grandkids about. That's very sweet. I love you, Andy.
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It's not good. Okay. It feels so, I mean, in some ways it makes my heart warm because I'm like, oh, this is youthful Andy who's just like, you're going to kick ass and you don't need the depends, you know, woof.
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Before. We might have been like engaged at that point.
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No, no, I kept it. There was one I threw in the trash, I will tell you. Really? I'm sorry. Why? It was these cartoon characters, and you had written in these bubbles. It was all just kind of cringy. I'd hate it if one of the kids found this card.
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It was like two of these cartoon characters like grocery shopping together. And it's like, ooh, I can't wait to lick your body from head to toe. And it was like every... Whoa. Every bubble was very kind of graphic and explicit sexual...
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Okay. Dearest Alabi, which is my nickname from when I was a child.
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And now the pattern, the routine is you come back out of the bathroom, you get in bed and You sit there for 30 seconds and then you go, God damn it. And you get up and you go to get your mouth guard because you always, always forget your mouth guard. I have never once seen you actually come out with the mouth guard.
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Say it again. 28 is great. G-R-R-R. Eight.
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Happy birthday, darling. Which is strange. I don't think you ever call me darling.
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Oh, okay. Today marks the official start of your adult life. You must be responsible now because you are going to be a mommy. That's right. I'm pregnant. Don't worry. You can still be a movie star in Hollyweird.
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Yeah, I think I was on the cusp, though, of deciding it's not for me.
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That's true. But I guess when we moved to LA was really when that kind of was a line in the sand, which was pretty soon after that.
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That's kind of it. I love you so much. Happy birthday, Andy.
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Now your cards are so thoughtful. Does it make you so more personal? These feel very like, I'm just pulling things to say that sound funny. Yeah.
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No, no, no. It was kind of a glimpse into who we were.
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A lot of it, you were so horny. Like, that card that was all sexual. And then there were a lot of cute ones that were like, our dream list. Very sweet and cute, but it had like a checkbox to be like, we're going to do this and do this and go and do this. And a lot of it is like, have sex on this place in New York and like...
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feel each other's bodies here like it's like I see why you got chlamydia is what I'm trying to say damn I get it too horny but you're you're so mature now it was you know sometimes you think back to those times and the way we talk about even on this podcast and I have such rose colored glasses for that time in our life although it was also very challenging like we struggled with money and
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STDs. We made it so much fun living in New York on a shoestring budget. Yeah. But I now, though, picture you as being you who you are today, just like back then we were this version of ourselves. But it was an interesting insight to how much you've changed and matured.
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And we had fun. I mean, we were young and immature and it's how it should have been.
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It didn't bum me out at all. The only one that I was just like, I'd hate for the kids to come across this was that one that I got rid of.
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Really? Yeah. I can probably dig it out. The way you wanted to dig out my ass.
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It was just a lot of like... Licking and stuff like that. Licking? Yeah.
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Wow. All right. How do you feel? I hope I'm not embarrassing you.
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It does. It makes me think about in kind of in a beautiful way, I think.
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when you think about like love stories and like long, long-term relationships and how people say, I mean, I feel this way. I think I'm more in love with you now. Yeah. We're like, but it's a different kind of love. And I feel like it just grows kind of richer and deeper over time. And you look at like old couples who have been together for 50 years and what kind of love is that?
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I mean, if they really do have something good, I feel like.
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that long of a relationship just on like licking butt eating jokes yes yes yes yes it has to evolve it does have to evolve but i'm it made me really appreciate where we came from and that like what we had and we had that and then where we are now and it kind of
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put our relationship in a perspective to me of like oh yeah we're 20 years into this now yeah like and it's only getting better it's you know in a in a different way in a different way but i i love that i love like all of the phases and it's just it was amusing to see
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Okay, so here's what I'm going to say to you, and this is hard for you to hear, but I love you so much.
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Can you tell me what happened to Captain Kangaroo?
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It's called neurosyphilis. It can cause dementia, mood swings, personality changes, memory problems, pain, muscle weakness, difficulty walking, hallucinations, delusions, irritability. Sounds like menopause. I'm just kidding. This is not a laughing. Syphilis is not good. You don't want it. You got to wrap it up.
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Like, yeah, syphilis was around town on billboards.
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Maybe in people. Was that the disease that was taking nursing homes by storm? Or is that gonorrhea?
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No, no. Well, take this in. I love you so much. I want you to be here for a very long time. The face massage thing I'm very excited to do, and we should start today. Okay.
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The way... And I'm glad for that. I feel like we went through this. I mean, me being raised Catholic and it being taboo and not talked about. And my hope is... And I know that's true in large parts of this country and with a lot of families still who are very religious and...
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But my hope is that it's becoming more kind of like the mystery around it and how taboo it is and all of that is making it less appealing in some ways to get like really.
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No, I'm happy for people to have sex. But in a response, I think the way that we went about it, me, was like not healthy.
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all people need to be sexual beings. It's part of being human and I think to deny that is like really fucked up and leads to fucked up shit, right? Okay. But I think going about it in this way of like, it all has to be secretive and there's so much shame attached to it and you're a whore and blah, blah, blah. makes for not good outcomes.
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I don't want boobies on billboards. I'll tell you why. I also think in this country, it was this weird, especially when we were growing up, I think less so now for our kids generation. It was this weird dichotomy between kids being sexualized so young and exposed to sexual stuff. Not the way it is today where it's... Porn and stuff like that.
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You just, by the way, when you were like, the alternative is worse, you had formulated in your mind what the alternative was that I had no idea what you were talking about.
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I think the way sex is consumed now is really going to mess with humanity and all of that stuff, of course. Yeah.
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Sounds great. You have to start wearing sunscreen every day. Yeah. You are such a stickler for sexual safety. That is, that has been drilled into you.
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But they're usually sexualized. When you're saying boobies on billboards, I'm imagining it's a sexual ad and it's objectifying women, boob havers especially. Yeah, I don't want that. I want that to be a choice for parents if they're going to let their kids see stuff like that and when. Yeah.
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Yes and no. France also, I think, is a double-edged sword. I think there's still a lot of... I mean, there is here, obviously, but the misogyny there...
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So the objectification of women, which is, I think, bad, is – and this kind of like, you know, in Italy and certain – these countries where you're just going to get catcalled or like – is baked into this objectification and people being okay with it doesn't mean it's okay. I think it's really bad.
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I read this thing about this woman who went to see a doctor and the doctor like was making jokes about her taking her shirt off and she was like, Like, please don't do that. And he was like, oh, Americans. So like, we can't even have a little be flirt. Like, no, I don't want my doctor to be flirty. So there's a culture there that's seeming.
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I mean, I'm speaking for a whole country and I don't even know it, but this is just my.
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Well, you wouldn't because it doesn't really affect you the same way.
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Speaking of sex, I think sometimes you want to have warm hands.
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And I saw this trick to warm up your hands. You might know this because you grew up in Sun Valley.
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You put your hands, you put your arms straight down by your sides.
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Okay, like energetically. Stand up straight, straight down by your sides. And then you flex your hands up and out like so you're a penguin. Okay. And then you just shoot your shoulders up and down really strong. And you know what's crazy?
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I did it this morning. You can literally feel the blood. You have to stand up. Shooting it. And you can't go like this. It's like you have to go...
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It shoots the blood into your fingers, and you can literally feel it. It's such an interesting thing. So I think that's a nice little tip, especially as we go into the winter months and people are wanting to fuck.
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They say that there's global warming. My ass.
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Prove to me that there's global warming. I am freezing.
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Maybe because the earth gets so hot. It's like the only place.
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I was like, why do we want Trump's going to get it just so he can move his dumb family over there? Yeah.
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I know, but kids wrap it up these days out there. You say it with this judgment, like the assumption is that they didn't and that you're superior because you and also you feel like I'm a little loosey goosey about sexual health. And I'm like, let people have some fun every once in a while if they've been tested or whatever. But listen, you have had facial skin cancer.
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Okay, so... Your father has had a bunch of skin cancer issues.
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Okay. You got to start wrapping. Think of this as wrapping it up for your life.
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You're only 45 and you have a scar on your fucking nose.
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You have to start wearing sunblock every day. And this is a PSA for anyone who is listening, because I got on the sunblock train way too late, and I hope that the youth of today has had it beat into them the way... Or not beat, you know. You know what I'm saying. No excuse for domestic violence.
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Just... I really, really wish. I mean, I heard it when I was like 30. I was, you know, I went to school on a beach. Like, I wish someone had told me, hey.
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Take five seconds every day and slather some shit on your face.
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Please come to night two, which is our sexual health night.
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So I really want to. And like, as I'm sitting face to face with you, I want to do it. I want to do it. I'm imagining what this setup is, though. And it's like, are we on the floor? And like, I'm sitting, you know, crisscross applesauce with your head in my lap almost.
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I was joking, obviously. I know HIV has taken so many lives.
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I said name one person who died from an STD.
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You said, well, Captain Kangaroo lost his fucking mind thanks to syphilis.
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Which is so funny because I thought you were going to say... How about all the people who have died from HIV? Yeah. Now, but you went Captain Kangaroo went crazy.
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Wait, tell me about your chlamydia. Walk us through this. Who'd you get it from?
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This is, I think, still... No one knows what photo albums you had lying around. When we were dating. And granted, I had... A bit of PTSD about finding photo albums of people I'm dating because the guy I lived with in L.A. 10 months into living together, I found the photo album of his wedding.
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I don't know because I like never really got the intel. He also was a liar.
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And we were young. I mean, we were like 22. Maybe you forgot. Well, anyway. So I had a bit. It was a loaded situation for me to find a photo album.
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I hope I had a bit of a pass in terms of my reaction. Because I was pretty horrified. I also was way more in love with you than I was with that guy. So I felt very possessive and territorial of you. And to find a photo album where there were naked pictures of you in it and there was all this emo poetry.
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Is it not sexual to have you smoking, sitting on a window ledge? With a phone, an old school phone receiver, you're holding it covering your dick.
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Okay. God, that really just hurt my heart. Okay. Listen, the photo album was on black paper and it was like, ooh. And then there was all this poetry written in like silver, you know, pen.
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I'm also, you know, remember when there was a time I wanted you to brush my hair more?
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All over it. And the poetry was like, oh, this girl's like so emo and just so in touch with, you know.
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How do you does chlamydia kind of go away and come back? Like, is there a world where she was just with you and got chlamydia and give it to you?
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I'm a little worried about where this is going to take our relationship.
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I wonder if it manifests differently in the male, you know, the...
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Okay, great. I just I was laughing because as you said that I had like, it's so appropriate of the time. Was it Jamiroquai? I'm imagining you leaving. I'm like seeing a film of this. And you're leaving health services at University of Montana. Oh, Rusted Root. Send me on my way. Send me on my way. You probably were listening to it to go start hacky sacky.
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And did she make you feel good about you?
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Now someone did say, why don't you just take before and after pictures and do his whole face?
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Oh, my God. Did you – so you were pretty bummed out about it. That would be something you would be bummed out – I mean, most people would. But you were so – like the preacher of safe sex to your friends and stuff.
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It's not the same. Now we need to pick which side.
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Well, let me tell you something. It's not cool raw dogging your skin out there.
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And this is daily. It doesn't matter if you're planning on being outside or not.
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Ulta? I'll write it all down for you.
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Yes. I'll help you. Speaking of carving into habits.
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The habit that I discussed last week that I have been loving, which is my morning shot of Magic Minds.
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Oh, you want it closer. That was one ring too far out.
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Oh, there was some, I hope it's okay if I share this. I'll just be very vague. I got some hot goss this morning.
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About a situation in a game where a parent was filming a game of children. Okay. And it wasn't until much later the parent was reviewing the footage and saw that a goal was made because the kid, like, kicked in the goal and an assistant coach, who was just kind of standing there, tapped the ball.
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I mean, how do you deal with that?
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I don't want to get too into it because...
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Yeah. But you also, so we're selling our cabin, as we've shared. And our cabin is in a beautiful little town. And you live for that town gossip.
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And you're actually like on Facebook specifically just to enjoy the gossip of that town.
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And sometimes there's like serious gossip. Yeah.
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Well, you're in the perfect... You don't want to be in it. That's kind of my relationship with gossip.
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Try not to get involved. Now... There is this idea of if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
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But I also think that there's like scientific backing up that sometimes gossiping can be really uniting. And I'm navigating this with one of our kids right now. To find the balance of gossip, because I don't think it's fair to just say, don't ever be involved, don't ever talk about anyone. I think if it's in a mean-spirited way, but our kid isn't like that anyway.
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Like, they're never going to be mean-spirited about someone. But my first real lesson in gossip was... This is my friend Annie. Growing up, she and I created a new language, Abbas. It was Pig Latin. But we would write each other letters and thought we had like, no one could decode it.
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And we were mean. I was. I was mean about some of the very popular girls.
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And in this letter, and someone got a hold of it, and it turned into a, like, scene out of Mean Girls where the leader of the popular girls came up to me, like, holding the note up in front of her.
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And came over to me with her, like, cronies behind her.
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Yeah, we are all aware. You have a terrible memory when it comes to things. But person, thank you for that review. If anyone else wants to follow us on Patreon, you get a bonus episode every month.
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No, I wouldn't have been because I didn't live there. Okay. Sorry.
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Okay, so she came up with her cronies, who I was mean about, and, I mean, rightfully put me in my place and was like, read it like they had decoded it and written the whole letter.
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Unfortunately, I think I was regurgitating some of the stuff that I was hearing back then, which was probably stuff about, I mean, I was probably talking about like being forward sexually. Yeah. Sorry, my stomach just made such a weird noise.
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Nobody's listening, right? Hi, Andy.
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I was shaming a sixth grader. But that's what we were dealing with back then. Luckily, our kids do not. That is not even, I hope. It doesn't seem like, like in the realm of anything. I hope that the tides have turned so much. I mean, but that's what we were taught. Like, it's really sad, honestly, looking back on it. But I'm just being honest here. That's what I think I was saying.
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We've started posting our little internet clips that Andy puts on Instagram a day early. So you get a little teaser. Yep. That's nobody's. Oh, wait, no, it's not. It's patreon.com slash nobody's listening, right?
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I wasn't feeling left out. I was 11.
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I'm sure, I think I was jealous of her in other ways or like wanted to be included. I mean, it's the tale as old as time. True, very true. When you're not part of something and it's exclusive that you're like, whatever. But anyway, we all ended up being friends and everyone, you know, this was little kid stuff. Yeah. But that was a tough lesson in gossip. I had to own my shit.
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I mean, there was no avoiding what was happening. She was holding the letter up in front of my face and I had to go, you know, I did say that stuff.
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I'm sorry. Like, I never meant for you. I think I wrote them all a letter apologizing and saying I never meant for you to see that. Not that that makes it OK, but like, I'm sorry that I hurt you, stuff like that. So it's also a lesson in apologizing.
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I wrote it in Office. Okay. So we were watching White Lotus on Max, HBO. One and the same. They wanted us to help get the word out. It says, watch White Lotus. I'm just kidding. But there's that scene where the older women are gossiping.
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And I think it's so well done. Yeah.
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And the way they do it is, like, very relatable in some ways. And also, the way they've built those relationships, I have definitely felt like the odd man out in my friend group. And I think everyone does at some point. And then I felt like I'm not the odd man out, whatever. Yeah.
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That is awesome. So speaking of Eckhart Tolle. Oh, yeah. I've really been kind of leaning into this idea of who was I? I was talking to someone recently about how like how we're like addicted to suffering. And that like so much of our suffering, is there something going on with my hair or something?
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But it made me reflect on this idea of gossip being uniting as long as people aren't getting hurt and you just have to be so careful about it.
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I feel like I'm setting myself up to be really judged.
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I'm talking about how to approach it with our kid.
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And I think never gossiping from a place of true mean-spiritedness the way I did as a child.
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But if you're like reflecting on something together with someone now doing it about like a friend in your friend group is treacherous. I feel like that's.
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I kind of would be honored to be gossiped about.
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I wish I was getting gossiped about. It means you're relevant.
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Well, anyway, I don't want our kid to be the source of gossip, like the gossip. I think that that's not a good place to be. But if you're sharing with someone and kind of ruminating about something, I think that's okay. In our family, to your point, we gossip also. Like you and I will talk about something that happened with the kids. Is that gossip? I don't know.
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But we'll share it in a way like you won't believe. I don't know. Yeah. And to your point, I hope that they gossip about us. That is shared suffering. And I think that unites them. And a big goal for me is that they are very close throughout life.
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Even though I don't really have full control of that. But so far, so good.
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Do I hate this like whole rant I just went in on?
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It's not. It's a rumination. And you're right. I never really landed the plane.
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No, no. Wait. Hang on, Andy. Hang on. Time out. Time out. Am I saying that I'm gossiping a lot? Like, do I need permission to keep doing what?
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I don't think I gossip that much.
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But I also think it's really villainized. And it can be very hurtful when rumors are spread and stuff like that. But I also think with power comes great responsibility. See, like, I hate all of this. It's a problem.
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Oh, great. That makes me feel not secure at all.
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So have you ever done anything like that where you've gotten in big trouble and you really regret it?
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You gotta be. Please give us... I just went on this whole rant about how I'm pro-gossip. Please give us something.
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Oh, that sucks. Are they still friends with you?
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I'm so excited to chat with you as though no one were listening.
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It looks like it's going towards me.
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Anyway, well, this will be a mystery for this episode to see how this goes. This idea that we create so much of our suffering from our thoughts and, like, identifying with our thoughts.
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I also going back to my example of I was essentially slut shaming an 11 year old. Yeah. And I was 11. But I think that kindness has come a long way. Like, I think today, at least in our world here, if our daughter heard that I said that, her mind would be blown. Because we are so careful about kindness and not hurting people's feelings.
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And don't even get me into all of the gendered stuff about all of that. You know, like, I think that... Our upbringing was very different, and there was a lot more mean-spirited gossip and stuff like that happening. Whereas now the gossip is more just like this crazy – like the video example. This crazy thing happened. It's like a story that you're hearing that's kind of wild and changes –
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And trust that I knew as a person.
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And they have social media now. Can you even?
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Yikes. Oh, well, that's a whole other thing in terms of, like, laying the groundwork of – Yeah. So let's switch gears.
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The other day, something happened where we were enjoying our special time.
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She doesn't know suffering. Listen, the spider just weaves its web and then sometimes the web gets destroyed and guess what they do?
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That slut who lives down the street, you know? Yeah. I'm just kidding. We were enjoying some Tetris time.
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You did quite well for you. I think you got up to like 218.
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And I was getting up to like 240 something. It's going well. Sometimes it just all falls apart right there in the 240s because shit just starts falling so fast.
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And for anyone wondering, this is on PS5 Tetris connected effects.
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And we're playing each other, but really we're just playing for ourselves. And because I'm just so good. But what happened was it ended. Now, I obviously had done much better than you. And you looked at me and you said, can I give you a coaching tip?
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And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about, 214, over there? I'm here at 243. You want to give me a tip?
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And you looked at me and you said, look, as your coach, I think I could take you all the way.
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They just start making a new web.
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And what makes you think you have what it takes?
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We have some like crazy ass spiders around October, which is, you know, appropriate, that make these insane huge webs out under our tree. Big webs. Like massive.
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When you say, I think I could take you to the top or all the way. What does that look like to you?
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I am like really wondering, is anyone out there listening?
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okay have we like so and then last night i was hanging out with danielle schneider love her and she's in my majan group and we were just talking about like what if i just went to vegas because danielle was saying she legitimately was like oh you could make money playing majan like could i
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Yes, Sam. Yes. But listen, I am... Like there is a portal in my life right now that I could step through and become a Tetris player, a Mahjong player.
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Yeah, because there's like real money to be had. But are we going to Vegas? Am I playing Mahjong?
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It varies, but let's say a half hour.
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I think it's one bet, but I don't know. I need to research this a little bit.
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This would be your worst nightmare, though. In Mahjong, there's this dance you do at the beginning to set up the game. And it's done in a very specific... It's called the Charleston. And it's done in a very specific... It's called the Charleston? Yes.
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Done in a very specific way, like someone becomes the dealer based on rolling dice, and then they are dealing out the tiles in a very specific order, and then you start swapping tiles from your tile grouping. And you first go to the right, and then you go across, and then you go to the left, and then you go to the left again.
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No, no, I don't get joy. But sometimes I do because it's somewhere our kids would run or something and I don't want them to perish by this huge spider that's going to eat them, gobble them up.
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So you have to know what you're doing, and you'll just look like a goddamn fool. That's my biggest fear in Vegas, is like during the Charleston to not...
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Oh, well, that's interesting because, right, the dealer would be an employee of the... Yeah. Whereas how I'm playing, we each become the dealer at different times. Okay.
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Buy-ins. Mahjong. Vegas. Can range from $150 to $800. $150 to... Okay. Whoa! Wait, there are Mahjong championships... But that's not, is that all that much? Like, I need to make a living.
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And the next morning, if it isn't right back there once again, that spider was hard at work.
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Yes. I also think it would just be so fun to be in that culture. I've always thought it would be so fun, you know, when we watch the world championships of, like, billiards. I almost called it pool.
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I feel like the kids have seen it.
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Okay. But poker, you know, and I thought, that's a world I could never be part of. We'll never say never.
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Here's what I will say about Mahjong. Since the fires, there hasn't been as consistent a schedule of our group.
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And God bless Danielle. She's, like, hosted quite a few times online. It's so important in my life right now. And it's coming together. And as I've said, we don't even really talk that much about life. But it's just community. Communion.
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And I also happen to be good at it. So it also is nice to get a little Venmo action. You know, we're making bets.
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Well, it's easy to say that when you're the one winning.
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No, I can't. But it's nice that we're putting it out there.
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Great. I had an experience the other day. Listen, our local grocery store is gross. The carts are gross. Half of them are broken, and someone always parks the broken one in front of the ones that you have to get access to.
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An abomination. Yeah. And there are never baskets available. And this store, its prices are astronomical. Every time I go there, I think, God, I could be living in some foreign countryside and going to a farmer's market. And spending a quarter of what I'm spending here and having a delightful experience. Why am I doing this?
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There's like pee-pee on the, you know, when you walk in, there's like pee-pee on the corner. There's God knows what, where, when, why, how.
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Now you probably, things were also different back then because I think that like canning was happening more at home. You know, milk was delivered by the milkman. Yeah. There were certain things that when we go to the store now, we get these very heavy, bulky items.
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And in large quantities. Yeah. I'm sure that they were shopping more frequently.
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Folding chair doesn't sound... Why don't you just put the basket on wheels?
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Because it wasn't a basket? Yeah. On wheels?
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Well, it also, that makes sense. Also, I think it probably felt a little bit like a pram. Elizabeth?
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What a fucking marketing genius. I regret everything I said about how stupid he was to put a folding chair on wheels. Oh my God.
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I mean, this goes back to our gossiping thing. We just want to like follow each other and be like each other. We're all sheep. And we saw a beautiful woman, a beautiful man. We want to be like them.
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To make? Or landed? No. How much are they?
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Wow. Well, ours, I can tell you, has about 10 grand.
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Because they're all fucking busted.
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If I pick up the basket, the moment I do it, I go, that was a mistake. But then I carry on through the store, and then I'm the person standing there in line with the full basket straining my shoulder, and then seven other things precariously. It's every single time.
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Well, sometimes I'm like, how does the influencer marketing work? Because we all now know that they're getting paid to hawk this product to us. But I guess it's just like there is some primitive human brain thing that's going, oh, this pretty girl with this product. Now I want me want that. But it's like, no, she's getting paid to tell you that she wants this thing.
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We have said no to a lot of things.
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I won't do any weight loss stuff or anything like that.
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And actually, you're right. There are products that we try all of everything, and I'm like, if we don't genuinely like it, we're not going to do it. A thing I've noticed is in Reddit. So I'm on all these skincare things in Reddit. Yeah.
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Oh, without question. And also now it's becoming almost AI-y. I bet it is. Because people are smart and they'll go, gosh, this one product. Okay, so there's this one product. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So the people who, like, if someone's posting and it's a new Reddit account and they're like, oh, my gosh, this stuff is amazing. It's blah, blah, blah. You can go, oh, you've never posted before.
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This is created to do this. Well, now I think with AI, they can, like... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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We loved the episode with Andy's father. Yeah.
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You keep calling it a blade. Okay. It's hard for me to get past.
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This was becoming a problem because you were lost in the world of the World Wide Web. I love researching stuff.
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But specifically this, for days and days, every time I would look over at you, your furrowed brow looking at your computer, and then I'd see all these windows of different ping pong paddles. And it was like, just pick a fucking lane. Pick a blade.
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Okay, you seem stressed out about it.
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Right. Life is always changing. Like, I think a lot of my personal suffering comes from wanting things to be fixed. Like, wanting to get to a place where things are fixed and, like, you know... Life looks like this picture right now. But everything always changes. And I think that I've been learning that lesson and now I kind of get it. Nothing is fixed. Everything evolves. Everything changes.
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So I was like, well, it might be very niche.
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Two girls, one cup, Raisin Bran.
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That's great. People often, though, do put a lot of work to scamming.
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Because I don't know why. I'm like, if you put that work to actually creating the business.
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Into anything else. No, yes. I'm joking.
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Yes. Well, that's the real tragedy. And then I just watched a docuseries the other day about this woman in Australia named Belle something. Okay. And she also faked cancer. It's always cancer. Right. Also, I want to say both in Scamanda and this Bell person. Yeah. The details were so off about, like, the treatment they were getting.
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They had, you know, a neuroscientist is weighing in on... You can't question it, though, because you're an asshole if you question it, right? Yeah, so it was kind of the perfect storm.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
But she faked having cancer and, like, having... And here's where you're... This is going to make your blood boil. You're going to lose your shit. Yeah. Because I feel like the Scamanda one is horrific.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
This was even worse, if you can imagine, because she wasn't just scamming people out of money. She made this whole wellness company that Apple got behind and was like, she was a featured Apple app. It was all about she was curing her cancer with natural foods.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
So all of these people with cancer are looking at this young woman who has stage four incurable cancer, who was given three months to live and is here four years later showing pictures of acai bowls and, you know, beet soup. So they are potentially turning against Western medicine and going, oh, well, I can just cure this with food. Right. Which you can't. Anyway, just absolutely horrific.
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But also, in this docu-series, people who had once been her friend were like... She has all of the makings of being like this. She became this massive corporate CEO of this successful app that had beautiful pictures. It was compelling. She connected with people, which just take the cancer out of it. She could have had a hugely successful wellness industry.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
And now, I mean, luckily, she's been outed as a complete fraud. And it's so interesting also because in the docuseries, She maintains like the whole way and then she goes on this interview on Australian TV with 60 Minutes where they're like, so did you have cancer? And she was like, well, yes, because I thought I did.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
And she comes across, so they kind of do the before and after. And the before, she seems so self-assured and she's being flown all over the world to have meetings. She has this huge book coming out internationally with Penguin. Like, she's like crushing it and seems so poised and smart. And of course, there's the element of, and she's going through cancer treatments. Mm-hmm.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
But, and then you see her and you're like, she's so stupid seeming. She comes across as just being so dumb. And like, how did you read your audience so well before to be able to manipulate them? And now you're maintaining, like, you think your audience is so dumb watching this going, oh, well, she thought she had it. So she must have, like, that counts. Yeah.
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I was thinking about them because my dear friend Pam just had a new beautiful baby boy. Oh, yeah. And talking to her and thinking about those new newborn days. And those are hard days. I recall them as being very challenging days.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
God, but I just couldn't. I mean, the stress of lying like that. I don't know how people live with it.
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I would love to know, like, from the outset, did you believe in this? Or was this a scam from the jump? Right. Was it a, like, we're going to fake it till we make it type of thing and hoping with these brilliant minds you're collecting, like, this will work out? At what point did you realize, like, oh, now we're just running a scam. It's not going to work out. You know, it's so fascinating.
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Like how was she feeling internally, emotionally?
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Oh, wow. Well, this brings me to something. I know we need to wrap up, but I wanted to ask you. Just to infuse some joy into this, I was thinking about this this morning. You know the life review that, you know, legend has that when you pass away, you have this very quick review of your life. Life flashes before your eyes. Life flashes before your eyes.
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Now, I actually spoke to a man who had that happen to him. This episode never aired because we had some real audio issues on his end, unfortunately. Yeah. And this was on my show, The One Sure Thing, which actually I think is going to be taken down and maybe put behind Patreon. I'm not sure yet. But his situation was he was skydiving.
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He jumped out of an airplane with his – he and I think his brother did. And his chute failed. And luckily it got caught up in like a tree somewhere. So that saved his life because he ended up not hitting the ground, but he did hit a tree real hard.
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Yeah, the first like two weeks is really dreamy and you're just kind of recovering and getting doted on. And if you have a great partner like I did, you know, it was wonderful. Then you feel like you woke up and got hit by a truck because the sleep deprivation is no joke. Oof.
Nobody's Listening, Right?
158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
And he had the life flashing before your eyes experience.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
And it was like time slowed down. He didn't feel fear. It was very much like... Everything happening all at once, and he was living out each moment in real time. And there was an element of also feeling the feelings of how that moment made the other person feel. So you're having almost like an omnipotent experience of that time.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Well, it sounds nightmarish, but I actually think you do a pretty good job of not making people feel horrible.
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Well, we're all human, and that's, I think, part of the human lived experience. Like, none of us are perfect. Yeah, yeah. But in terms of joyous moments, what do you think will flash if this is the case? What do you think you're getting?
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Yeah, I know. Those little moments.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
I mean, I had that this morning. Like I still am so lucky to get morning like snuggles. I wake up early. I get my coffee. I do little things. gratitude journaling. And our kid comes out and snuggles with me for like three minutes. And I was thinking this morning, this right here is like the good stuff.
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I also, with both of our kids, I think the moment I looked into their eyes for the first time, there was something just so magical. And one of our kids, I felt like, The way I describe it is they've lived many, many lives. Instantly. You're here to experience this with us, but you are coming with a history. And then the other kid, I felt like you are freshly fallen snow. Yeah, yeah.
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And neither is bad or good. It's just interesting. And I would say that kind of feels... applicable to them even today yeah like an enthusiasm for like new experiences versus kind of like this sage calm yeah it's so fascinating yeah but i feel like i've obviously like us meeting up and in new york you were my crush when we were little yeah I wasn't with you, but it was about you.
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But thinking about how everything is so fleeting, like all of these stages of our children's lives, you look back on and go, oh my gosh, I wish I could squeeze this cute little two-year-old. Like when our daughter was three and had these tiny little glasses and looked so cute. And there's video of her I saw recently and I'm like, oh my gosh, wow. But that was a fleeting time.
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Like when I got into the cab the morning after we had hung out that whole first night together and the song I connected with my mom was playing. Yeah, yeah. I've had a few of those, not that profound, but like those moments lately where I'm feeling very kind of in flow with stuff.
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All right. Well, I guess we did it. I want to say...
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Gossip responsibly. Learn from my mistakes. Both in this podcast and in life. And good night. Good night.
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And this is a fleeting time. And it's just a reminder you have to enjoy every second because it's constantly evolving.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
It's not about finishing. It's about the doing. But while you're doing, you think it is about finishing. But the dominoes...
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Life is a journey. Wow, it's all coming. Do we even need to keep podcasting? I think we just figured it out. Andy, the dominoes thing is so fascinating to me. I'm mesmerized by Havesh and the domino community because... Yes, it is all done in one fell swoop.
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But it can also be done. I mean, the one that I saw, it took over her entire apartment. And like one wrong step anywhere for months would ruin the whole thing. And I'm sure that has happened many times where the one wrong step happens. And then on top of it, at the end... One dominoes a centimeter out of place and the whole thing doesn't go.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Yes. It's so beautiful, but also like takes a very specific kind of strength of mindset and character, I think, to pursue that character.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Yeah. Yeah, because we were YouTube-ing 20 years ago. Remember?
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Remember? Our two girls, one cup, Raisin Bran.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
I heard it, but it's two girls are pooping in a cup or something, right? Yeah.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Oh, what a good, yes, like good karma. You checked.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
But anyway, we decided to make a very... You know what? We're so creative and stupid.
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Watching the video. And you or I was like under the table and shaking the box because there was this like...
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cinematic music that went along to this video so that was part of it and so people would know when there were like swells of the cinematic music that the video was becoming grosser and grosser yeah and the box started like shaking and like freaking out and then raisin bran flakes were falling out of it and i also remember was that box of raisin bran was like 4.99 yeah Can't buy that anymore.
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Anyone else who's left reviews in the past, go see if it's still there.
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Great. Yeah. Yeah, so YouTube. Go on. Carry on.
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I know, but don't you think that's so human? Yeah. Because, no, it's inspiring to me. You know, people say, I want to, as a parent especially, really lean into the idea of like, there's no such thing as failure. Now, I know this goes counter to what we were saying a few weeks ago, which is, if you don't try, you can't fail. Yeah.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
No, it's human to want to watch other people fail because it gives you comfort and almost permission to also try things that you're likely to fail at.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. It's immoral is what you're saying.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
We definitely would be the impetus of a resurgence.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
We should share it. Let's put it on our Instagram.
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I think it's funny. And also, we look so young and, like, plump. Yeah.
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Yes, I do. It was, we filmed it outside our building in Brooklyn. God, we just were young and had time and like, I don't know. But to our credit, we would get these really stupid ideas and go with them. But it was, there was this trend of these Apple commercials back then. And how funny that now you make Apple commercials. Yeah. You have one coming out in Japan, don't you?
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Now he's risen above suffering in his life.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
So it was this trend of people talking about some feature on their phone, but it was very kind of like, we're filming this out in the street with a person in front of a white backdrop.
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And it was like... So I really love the new, like, voicemail feature on this, that it shows up and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in ours, the feature goes awry because I'm finding out that my mom's dying during the filming of the commercial.
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I have always owned... And leaning into... My parents are dead.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Well, no, we're always kind of a thousand reviews behind him, I feel like, and I'm sure that hasn't changed. So if anyone, everyone could pitch in and be a good citizen.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Drama is what you're calling it.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Sorry. I'm just joking. Okay. Anyway, the impermanence of life. And once you accept that, and I think Eckhart Tolle surely has, it will make your suffering dissipate quite a bit. Now, I wanted to ask you kind of somewhat related, not really. What's your relationship to gossip? I'm so curious.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
No, I don't want goss. I want to know what you're, but you just told me quite a bit.
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
No, what is your relationship? What is your personal relationship to gossip?
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Do you like it? How do you feel about it? Do you think it's immoral, the way you think watching fail videos is?
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
Does it actually have kind of a similar feeling to you sometimes?
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158 - What’s Your Relationship To Gossip?
There was a huge scandal that happened. This was a long time ago when our kids were real little in a, like, adjacent to us social circle yeah and that was so juicy because you can really be like and then what it was that was great and we like knew who these people were no one got hurt no kids were hurt or anything
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Or you know what I'm saying?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah. Yeah. Sweet, man. Well, Drew, appreciate you, man.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
that's great all right all right drew appreciate you bro i appreciate it guys all right see y'all take care thank you see you i love that uh one other thing i thought quickly on this man it's like you know and i had to write it down here but i think a lot of people have that fear well i guess let me ask you this when it
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Is it reasonable to have this fear that people think that one day is gonna just throw them completely off the fucking track?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
What's up, dude? What's going on, man? Oh, just doing the thing. I look forward to these episodes here. I look forward to every episode. I mean, but yeah, like, yeah, same, same, but like. That's the same. You're saying that you selectively prefer other episodes. I like the Q&As, man. I like the Q&As because we see the stuff. We break it down on CTIs. It has its importance.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah, that's real Yeah, that's real.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Absolutely, bro. Absolutely. I I fucking love it. That's great. Let's go to our next question. We got to write in here. This is a question about leadership. So guys, Andy, question number two. Hey, Andy, I'm a frontline manager leading a relatively small group of people. My question is,
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
is about addressing issues that are unpopular and often avoided by upper level leadership due to the controversial and delicate nature of them. Upper level leadership avoids these issues, which leads to further morale and productivity gaps. What would be the best way to go about addressing this or handling this to get upper level leadership to address these things?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
I've made repeated attempts to bring these issues to them, give them strategies to help mitigate and solve the problems, but each time it's met with more obstacles and avoidance. So outside of telling them to come listen to Real AF, what would you suggest I do? Does it say what the issues are? No.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
But what we do about that matters on this episode. That's what they're for. We all start allowing call-ins on CTI, too. Change the game right there. We got to get some liberals to call in. Get some of these Karens to call in. Bro, that's who we need. And argue with. That's who we need. Yeah, it'd be awesome. Bro, we need them so bad. Yeah. And like, oh. If you know a smart Karen, have her call in.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
You just have to fucking do it, dude. Let me, let me ask you this. Is there a way, I guess, like, let's say your upper level leadership, right? Like, is there, is there a way, I guess, to like train the people that, that you're leading on how to look at problems and how to, like, like, how do you do that? You know what I'm saying?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yes.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I was about to say, I think it's a perspective thing too, because like, you know, like, Oh my God, I'm dealing with this, this massive problem. This is going to fucking ruin everything. Like it's the worst thing, but they don't even understand all the other stuff that your upper level leadership may have to be dealing with. You know what I'm saying?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
That's a perspective thing. That problem,
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Right, right.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Right.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah, joke's on you. Yeah, I know. Because there's no such thing. Yeah, doesn't exist. Yeah. Yeah, fuck. All right, man. Yeah, well, let's make some people better today. Let's do it. Let's make some people better. We got, we got, we're going with a call in first. We got a guy named drew whose question is kind of centered around being hyper discipline So let's dive into this a little bit.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Got to deal with.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Got to deal with them.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah. I was going to say the flip side, other side of that perspective issue too, is like, you know, sometimes I guess this has come down to like giving your, your leadership grace because they're not seeing all the things on the front line. Right. They're, they're not there no more. You know what I'm saying?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Well, I think we got time for another call. Let's do another call here. We got Ivan who has a question about success breakthroughs. So let's give Ivan a ring here.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Ivan, what are you doing right now? What are you doing right now?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
This is DJ, brother. How are you? I'm doing good. How you doing, DJ? I'm all right, man. Yeah, we got the boss here. What's up, Drew?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
He's about to lie.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
That's all right.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Let it rip. All right, man.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
What do we got? How can you get better today?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Well, he said arm, like singular arm pump. Exactly.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
No, dude, we're actually just a figment of your imagination.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah, for sure. All right. DJ. It makes sense. Drew, tell us a little bit about yourself. Come on, DJ. Tell us a little bit about yourself.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
I think that's one of the biggest. You hit on something there. Time's going to pass regardless. Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
They got seven sources after they became a millionaire.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Guys, Andy, that's a hell of a way to start a Monday, man. Yeah, man. Yeah. I mean, is that it?
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872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah.
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872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah. Yeah.
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872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
First way is... Guys, you can keep emailing these questions in to askandy at andyforsella.com.
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872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Technology. You know what I'm saying? That's right.
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872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
100%.
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872. Q&AF: Too Focused, Approaching Senior Leadership & Switching Industries In Business
Yeah.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
I guess that's what you're saying. You gotta be careful. Have the data so it doesn't just come off as ego. Yeah. Well, it does come off as ego if you come in there without the data.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
Right.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
Actually, I want to bring this up too, because they mentioned, you talk a lot about the self-improvement aspect, right? And it's like, I remember a coach used to tell me, practice, you don't just show up to game day and miss your practices and think you're going to fucking perform. And when they told this person that, oh, just keep doing what you're doing, you have no items for improvement.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
I think that's bullshit, but why do you look at that? I find a hard time believing people are telling their employees. I'm going to tell you this, dude.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
Yeah. I love it, man. I love it. Guys, let's keep this moving. We got question number two. You know, we were talking about some storms and tornadoes and shit before we started recording. And this question, you know, we talk about before a tornado happens, it gets real calm before the fucking storm. So that's why this question is centered around. Guys, Andy, question number two.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
Andy, I've always admired people who stay calm and focused under pressure. but I tend to panic and second guess myself when things go wrong. What can I do to develop more grit and keep my composure in stressful situations? Are you a calm before the storm guy? What do you think? There's no doubt.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
What's going on, Yokeness? Yeah, I'm getting there. Yeah. Getting back. Yeah, man. No, it's a great day, man. We got some good questions here. Really? Yeah. I mean, I think so. To be determined. So what do you got? I got three good ones for you. That's what I thought. Yeah. I got three good ones for you, man.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
100%.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
100%.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
I love it, man. I love it. Well, guys. Andy, that's a hell of a way to start a Monday, man. Yeah. All right, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. Don't be a hoe. Share the show.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
You know what I mean? 100%, man. Well, personal excellence is the ultimate rebellion. So let's make some people rebellious today. Yeah, let's do it. Guys, Andy, question number one. Andy, I'm not even sure where to begin with this question, but I'm looking for your opinion on my situation.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
I recently received my yearly performance review, which I met or exceeded all expectations, was a top performer with top quality results. And all year long, my manager told me, quote, I have no items for improvement. Just keep up the great work. Overall, it was a great review.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
However, when discussing the merit increase that is supposed to be based on the performance review, he gave me a 0% increase. To say I was am disappointed in this is an understatement, especially when his reasoning is that he wants to give others on the team more in order to raise their salaries, as I currently make more than them, supposedly.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
Truthfully, I don't believe anyone else's salary is my business, nor do I believe I should be penalized for something that has nothing to do with me. I had an incredible year and I feel I deserved a matching merit increase. It should be noted that this is our only opportunity per year to earn an increase. So two questions for you, Andy. If you were in my situation, what would you do?
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
And then as a business owner, what are your thoughts on this? And would you ever do this to your top performer? Thank you in advance for your insight. Entrepreneurs, man.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
Sounds simple, yeah.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
Emotions.
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857. Q&AF: Getting A Raise As A Top Performer, How To Be Calm & Developing Entrepreneur Mindset In Kids
So that sounds like bullshit. If anything, give them the money. They'll see that and they get more productive when they fucking quit. Absolutely.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Do you want to get better or not?
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
I think you hit on something. Is it true? Huh? I think the part where you said, is it true, though? Like, is the criticism true?
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
It almost makes me think too, because like on the other hand, you know, you have people that will not tell you what's wrong or not tell you the truth and tell you everything's okay.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
I was going to ask you, that's the same thing with not taking criticism. It sounds like it's boiling down to just being an ego issue.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Yeah, I love it, man Well guys, we got we got question number three got one more for you This is an interesting question, let's check this one out guys any question number three and I'm 27 years old and My question is very simple Does it get easier? I understand that it's life, right? You get the crap beat out of you a few times, but does it get easier? And if it does, then when?
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
And if it doesn't, how do so many people make it look easy? I appreciate everything you do.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Yeah, bro.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
What's up, dude? What's going on, man? Dude, I feel like time's moving quick. We're already halfway through the first month of the year. Bro, I feel like the opposite.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Yeah. Isn't that so weird? I mean, is that the whole times relative thing, man? I don't know. I feel like it's speeding past. Like, we're already almost done with this month. It's crazy. I don't know, man. I feel the opposite.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
On how to do it?
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Last thing I want to hit on, man, maybe this might be for another episode. You know, but this last piece of the question, too, I was just sitting here thinking, like, why do so many people make it look easy? That's the other part, too, with the social media shit, man, is that you got to keep in mind you're seeing what people want you to see. Correct.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
No, I was just thinking, I mean, because halfway through the first month, January is always an interesting time for a lot of people. And so I got some really awesome questions for you. But they're all kind of just focused on, you know, The more personal side, you know, because people are battling some issues going halfway through. It's always right around this time, I guess. Yeah.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Halfway through the first month, like, all right, well, we'll just try it next year.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Yeah.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Yeah, man. Well, let's do it then. Let's get into some real hard truths that need to be discussed. A lot of people going through some different things. So let's get into these questions, guys. Andy, question number one. Andy. I've been working in hospitality for over a decade. I'm burned out and ready for a change.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
I've always been interested in graphic design and even took some courses online during the pandemic, but I have no formal experience in the field. At 38, I feel like it's too late to start over, especially with financial pressures. How do I pivot into a completely new career without starting from scratch or risking my stability?
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Yeah, people don't want to sleep on a piss-stained mattress.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
I want to I want to bring up because uh, and you hit on this about, you know using the the spare time To develop yourself and i've actually seen this in play Uh with you and how you run your company So you tell your employees that all the time like you're not going to get better At the nine and five, nine to five. That's right. You know what I'm saying?
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Cause let's, let's talk, let's go a little bit more deeper into that. Like how, what's the, what's the hangup with that? Why do people not understand that concept?
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Last thing I want to hit on with this question, too. This person is 38 years old. Can we talk about this concept of starting too late? Is it too late? Is there like a definite?
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
I love it, man.
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829. Q&AF: Is It “Too Late” To Start, Taking Constructive Criticism & When Does It Get Easier?
Andy, question number two. Andy. I recently got some feedback at work that I came across as defensive during a team meeting. I didn't realize how much criticism bothers me until I started reflecting on it. I want to learn to accept constructive feedback without taking it personally, but it's hard to not feel attacked. How can I shift my mindset and see criticism as an opportunity to grow?
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
I love it, man. Yeah. Off of this, this actually leads perfectly into our second question.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
Fuck, man. I love it, man. Like I said, this topic, this conversation goes perfectly into our next question. You know, talking about, you know, trying to stay on the path.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
We'll be flipping the coin.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
No, but I mean, this conversation goes perfectly into our next question though, right? Like staying on the path, understanding you're not there yet, right? Question number two, Andy, I'm an ambitious person. I've always had big goals and I'm proud of my work ethic, but lately I feel like I'm always chasing the next achievement without enjoying what I already have.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
What's up, dude? What's going on? You know, I was thinking we got MFCO coming back. And, like, I don't think I ever asked, like, where did the name come from? Like, how did you come up with MFCEO?
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
I reach a goal and instead of celebrating, I immediately think, what's next? Good. I don't want to lose my drive, but I also don't want to spend my whole life feeling like happiness is always just one step away. How can I find balance between striving for more and actually appreciating the present?
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
I feel like another thing here, we got to remove a fallacy.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
We got some things to work.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
And I don't know how else to tell you that. I mean, to your point, because I really, I don't want to miss this piece here because I think it's also important, man. We talk about it, you talk about it with anxiety, right? And like this idea of happiness, I want you to dispel this myth. Like people expect or they have this like expectation that they're supposed to be happy all the fucking time. No.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
It's not the case.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
Rather win.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
I love it, man. Well, guys, let's get to our third and final question. You know, we've been talking about boundaries in the personal development space, like just personal life. And this question is specifically about boundaries in business. So let's get into question number three, guys.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
Andy, I'm a freelance graphic designer juggling multiple clients and often find myself working late into the night to meet deadlines. I know I need better boundaries, but I'm worried that saying no will hurt my relationships with clients or impact my income. How can I manage my time better without jeopardizing my work? Boundaries in business.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
Yeah, right. No, no, I think that's a fact. Why did you say you bet I wore K-Swiss? What? You said you bet I wore K-Swiss?
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
So, yeah, I wanted to actually do this too, because you mentioned like, you know, especially in the beginning stages of a business to have that type of attention and, you know, willingness. But like, bro, I've been with you for five and a half years. You've been in business for 26. I see you still fucking going at 11 o'clock at night. It's not really like a beginning thing.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
yeah what does that mean well i mean you're you know you're a little bit light in the twinkle toes you know what i'm saying you know i'm just saying that's okay no that's cool though um no i accept because like dude like i feel like most people they they're at least maybe it's an old level of thinking but like most people look at business and see it as such this like dry thing and i feel like you know when i see you you don't see that at all you see life you see passion you see dry like you don't really see that a lot i guess
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
Absolutely, man. Absolutely. Guys, Andy, that is a hell of a way to start a Monday, bro. Yeah, guys. Let's get going.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
But business now is a whole different other thing.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
Yeah, I love it, man. I call it a little extra sauce right there.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
They know that.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
Doesn't exist.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
Yeah. I love it. I love it, man. Well, it is Monday, dude. So let's make some people better. Let's make some people better, man.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
I just started punching some holes in drywall, baby. That green one's dangerous. Bro, it's Diet Mountain Dew, dude. Yeah, be careful.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
Yeah. Yeah, I get it. That makes sense.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
That's it. That's the way to do it, man. Well, that being said, I got three good ones for you guys. Let's knock these out. Guys, Andy, question number one. It's so good. It is good, man. It's good. Guys, question number one. Hey, Andy. Hope you guys and the team are doing good and kicking ass.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
My question today is, how can I avoid being cocky once I start doing good and on a parallel path to winning? Because I saw a lot of people fall off once they start winning a little or even win once, like Tim Grover says. I've been doing good lately and been making great progress, and I'm going to start getting paid more in the next coming months.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
And I need your advice on how I can manage that, manage my finances and my life on that. I don't want to feel like I'm at the top of the world because of the high testosterone a 20-year-old would have just because I'm doing it, doing good for a couple of months.
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854. Q&AF: How To Not Be Cocky, Chasing Happiness With Ambition & Boundaries In Business
I started 75 hard and started being more focused and I regimented as I can be, but I failed twice because I didn't hit my mark of drinking a gallon of water. Your advice and impact is greatly appreciated and I love what you and your team do because you're really shaping the next generation of men in society. How not to fuck up the path you're trying to go on, Andy. How do you do it?
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
I love it, man.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Let's roll to question number two. Andy, I've always been the nice one. the person who avoids conflict and goes along with whatever makes other people happy. But lately, I've realized that I let people walk all over me, both at work and in my personal life. I struggle to speak up for myself, and when I do, I feel guilty afterwards.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
How can I start setting boundaries and being more assertive without feeling like I'm being selfish? You got like a true, what is this, type B personality here?
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
And I think, I think a lot of times too, a lot of people kind of build these monsters up in their head of like what these situations are going to be like right now. Like for this person, you know, I don't know how old he is. He didn't say, but let's say like this has been him his entire life and he's just now having to start setting these boundaries. Can we clear the monsters?
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
What would you say the percentage of people that are going to respect him setting these new boundaries for the first time ever, what's it actually going to be versus what he might be thinking in his head?
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Right, nobody don't give a shit about you like you give a shit about you.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Yeah, that's real, man. I love it. Well, guys, let's get our third and final question in here. We got question number three. My question for you, Andy, is about business mentors. How do you locate a mentor? For background, I am 25. I run a small, fast-growing business in the auto parts industry. I'm about five years in business. I've started to get this feeling of no man's land.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
I don't necessarily have a business mentor. The closest thing for me is continually listening to your podcast and using the tips and advice to provoke my own thoughts and relate that to where I am day, week, period of time in business. Is there a point in business where you feel it's crucial to have a mentor or is it not necessary? Interested in your thoughts on this.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
What's up, dude? What's going on, man? Nothing. Yeah, we were just talking. I really do think for some reason this daylight savings kicked my ass. Yeah. I don't know why. It's fucking ridiculous. I've been doing it for 30 years, but it's just like this one for some reason. It got me. Bro, I was thinking about this.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
And there's a lot of them on the Internet. Let me ask you this just about, you know, because, I mean, you've been in business 26 years. Well, hold on.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Let me ask you, because you have been in business for 26 years, and I guess my question is more about the evolution of business transparency, we'll call it, right? Has it always been this way where you have these owner-operators, these CEOs that are so willing to show the deal, right? Was it always like that? Because, I mean... I don't know. I mean, you've been in business.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Like we're business owners always so eager to share, you know, the past.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Yeah.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Yeah.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
That's the shit. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like days were longer when I was a little kid, man. You know, like, you know, because we were out to the street lights came on. Yeah. What were you doing? Shit. You know, stuff. Yeah. Stuff. Stuff you can't talk about. Stuff we can't talk about. You know.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Like what kind of games did you guys play when you were kids? Uh, so we had this one game where we would, so like my, where I grew up at, it was an apartment on a hill. I'm being serious. I'm dead ass serious. Um, and so there was like, you know, my apartment, four family flat, there was an alley and then there was this elementary school next to me called gun lock. Okay. Um,
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
And so my friends, you know, because it was on a hill, like we had retained like this massive retaining wall.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
And then the elementary school was their recess yard, which like dropped fucking 30 feet. Yeah. And so what we would do is we would like go up on our porch and usually every day around, like, you know, after school, about an hour after school, we call it the crackhead parade.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
because your crack head off the off the no they would like come by like you throw it off a 30 foot drop no we just throw shit at them oh okay yeah that's the game you play bro and who could hit it and then we would run because they were fast they're all hopped up i'll grow i'm i'm i'm listen that's like 100 that's like 110 octane bro you you're asking me about my childhood i'm telling you what we did we threw shit at crack kids man they run from them
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
You guys didn't play any games, man. No, that was it. That was it. Like, you didn't, like. That was it. Then we, you know, we take, like, our bikes and stuff that we would, you know, get ownership of. And we put, like. Bottles in the back tire.
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851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Yeah, it was a community bike. Yeah. That's why we didn't care. Like, we leave them outside. We didn't care. That's a nice way to say it. Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Yeah. And, you know, put little plastic bottles in the back tire. You know, roll around like a little gang and stuff.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
yeah my friend put it in his front tire once and then like it's kind of the same stuff we did bro yeah it's the same stuff we did it we did the same thing ride our bikes build like a little ramps and shit yeah you know and then uh we played a lot of baseball bro we would mattress flip you ever like do acrobat shit on mattresses that were like you know people threw out in the alley and shit no yeah we did that too well
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Okay, because I've seen it played with tennis balls and they burn them. I've never seen that. Like they torch them and stuff. I don't know. It's weird. It was awesome. Yeah, but I mean, you know, like I said, bro, I mean, cultural differences, it's the same, same.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Today is serious. Yeah, it's a good day. Tomorrow's joke day. So let's get on with it. Holding them all in until tomorrow. Yeah, that's right. I got a lot. Guys, Andy, I got three good ones for you, man. Let's knock these out. Guys, Andy, question number one. Andy, whenever I'm stressed. I numb myself with distractions, scrolling through my phone, porn or drinking.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
I'm fully aware that these things don't actually help, but they're my default. I want to learn healthier ways to handle stress, but I don't know where to start. How do I stop turning to quick fixes and start dealing with stress in a productive way?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
Let's let's talk a little bit about stress, right? Because he's mentioned that he does these things when he feels stressed. How do you look at stress? How should people look at stress? Like what's the what's the thing about stress nobody really wants to talk about?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
851. Q&AF: Dealing With Stress, Setting Healthy Boundaries & How To Find A Mentor
There it is.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
So I feel like for a lot of youngsters, man, you know, this is something we talk about a lot, like fear of missing out. You know what I'm saying? For a lot of them, that step back might be you not going to go to that fucking party with your friends this weekend. You know what I'm saying? They're not looking at it.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
They're looking at it as truly something they're actually missing out on or stepping back away from, but it's like the reality is what's the payoff for missing that? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, what were some what were some early times? I mean, I guess when did you start changing your mindset in your, you know, your path of success here?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
That's real shit. Yeah, that's real shit. Guys, Andy, let's do our third and final question. Question number three, Andy. I just started a life insurance agency and I'm working on hiring some people. But I don't want to hire just anyone. I want to build a team that is success driven and willing to continue to grow into amazing, badass people that want to win at a high level like I do.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
What are some questions I can be asking or points I can be making to make sure people will be a good fit? Any advice on this would be appreciated.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
100%.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
Yeah. Real talk. No shit. I want to touch on this piece, though, that you mentioned about building people, right?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
How excited, like, let's be real, like no, no fruit for you, but how excited are you for, for that coming back?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
It's going to be awesome. Like I feel like there's a lot of people out there now who have gotten on that page of understanding the obligation. It's just, okay, but like... Now let's give them the tools. What do I do now? Right, and... A lot of new entrepreneurs, I feel, can come out of this too, bro, which we need.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
with everybody else so i'm excited about it i'm excited to get to it too man um well uh it's q a so let's make some people better today guys andy uh i got some good ones for you let's knock these out question number one andy andy i've always been a people pleaser um and it's exhausting yeah I want to set boundaries and prioritize my own happiness, but I'm afraid of upsetting others.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
How do I begin to change his mindset and stand up for myself? I don't want to go another year being a people pleaser.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
They're innocently ignorant to it.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
I was going to ask you this because I heard you say this before. I forget where we were, man, but you were like, other people's reaction to your decisions is not your concern was like the gist of it. And I think that got me like saying, no, that's a hard thing to do.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
There's nuance, sure. Correct.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
So overall you can't, you can't hang, get hung up on how somebody else is going to feel about something that you're trying to do for your betterment of you.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
You know, I want to ask you this final little piece on this question too, man, because I think it's important to, you know, we've talked about accountability on this show. We talked about, you know, how do you, you can't hold somebody else accountable if you're not holding yourself accountable. Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
Yeah, I love it, man.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
Any question number two, Andy? I appreciate the work you have done to elevate everyone around you. My question is more of a general question about success. I'm 19, and I think that even the idea of just pursuing greatness excites the shit out of me. Being able to write your own path, build something crazy. I know it's something that I want to do.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
My question for you is, though, on the journey, you've mentioned this like hockey stick thing being the visual to what success looks like. But are there times on the journey where you have to intentionally take one step back to take two steps forward? I feel like people would call sacrifices, I guess. But what were some that you had to take to stay on the path and keep moving forward?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
838. Q&AF: Overcoming “People Pleasing” Behavior, Pursuing Greatness & Hiring Great Team Players
And how do you make sure that that one step back doesn't become two?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Right.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
I mean, is it, is it, I mean, cause I look at like, you know, you talk about that beginning motivation, but even just to get you to that point where you can start worrying about other people, how much good has come out of having a fucking aspiration of that Kuntosh? Bro, a lot. That's I, you know what? Uh, people are like, oh, you just wanted the Kuntosh, bro. That's selfish as fuck.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
You like spaceships now.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
I love it, man. I love it, guys. Andy, question number two. Hey, Andy, I've listened to nearly every episode since 2017, and I want to thank you for being the main source of my business growth over the years. My question is this, Andy. You've talked on the podcast about severe anxiety before. I'm 24 years old, and for the first time in my life, I've started to have the exact same problem.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Some days it's to the point where I want to stay in bed, take a loss just to be able to function for the rest of the week. With so many depending on me to succeed, I don't want to slow down. In fact, I want to do more. How have you built up your resilience to these issues? And what do you do when that stuff happens now? Talking about anxiety specifically.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Bro, even just thinking about that for a second, like the people who tell you like, oh, you know, you're not supposed to have any anxiety. They're telling you to ignore all of that fucking warning signs to do it, which creates more like, bro, it's so wild.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Love it, man. I love it, guys. Let's get to our third and final question. Question number three. Hi, Andy. I just like how they put their hello. Yeah. Greetings. I love the show and I've been listening to it for years and I've taken so many lessons from it. My business partner and I opened up our practice in December of 2023 and have been collecting north of a hundred thousand dollars a month.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Great growth, but hungry for more with that. We've begun hiring people to help with the day to day operations and tasks. Unfortunately, one employee brings a lot of personal issues to work through her mood, effort with tasks and sometimes messages saying she won't be in to work that day out of the blue. We rely on her to take stress off of our plate when she is there and on point.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
She's the best worker ever. But when she isn't, it frustrates both of us and puts more on our plate. We do the best to lead by example, discuss expectations, but these issues do present. She's our first hire, so we are new to having someone work with us. Any help on what to do? Fire her. Don't give up on her yet. Need some advice.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Right.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
I was going to ask you that because I feel like that's like, that also leads into, you know, I guess just emotions in business, right? Like as a operator owner, right? Like how, like how hard was that to have to get your heart out of these emotional, because like, bro, like, yeah, you want to care about people, right? Like how hard is that?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
I love it. I love it, man. Well, guys, Andy, that was three. Yeah. Don't be a hoe. Share the shot.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Well, I mean, I think the coolest piece of it too, man, like outside looking in is like, I mean, you talk about like, you know, that's going to be the interviews and the guests.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Well, you talk about what I'm what I like about it most is like, you know, you've talked about this before, like how business has its cycles and its evolutions and like you're in a new phase of business new to you. Right. Yeah. Being able to apply all the shit that you've learned even.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Most recently.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Well, I got some good ones for you.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
You got three good ones for you. As usual. Let's do it. That's a new one for today, too. The what? Usual. Usual. What? Usual. Usual. Usual.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Guys, Andy, question number one, man. Let's get into these, dude. Andy, I am in college and I'm doing excellent, especially compared to last year. I used to party all week long, was able to maintain good grades. I changed it up and I am 20 years old and I have completed 75 hard back in November for the first time. I haven't had a sip of alcohol since August.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
I'm actively doing 75 hard again and I'm giving it my all. I have aspirations to become a firefighter and a tattoo artist on the side to fill in my days off. But I often feel like I've been spaced out or that I have little to no interest in doing things. I used to dream of cars, houses, solid family. Now I have a hard time focusing on my purpose and my why. Am I doing the things that I am?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
How do you recommend getting that fire back? And is it normal that it will get monotonous? Did you ever lose that fire of what you wanted to get and why you wanted to get it? And how did you get it back? Of course.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
And, and dude, it's, it's just, uh, it's the way it is. Yeah. Let's, let's tie this into materialism. Cause he mentioned like, you know, he had these dreams of cars and houses and stuff. And I know for you it was a Lamborghini Countach, right? Yeah. How important was that for you? Like, I mean, like can we, we talk about motivation, right?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
848. Q&AF: Getting Your Fire Back, Handling Anxiety & Managing Ego In Employees
Like it's hard to like on those days you don't feel like doing shit. I mean, Is that really what you look towards? You know what I'm saying?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Yeah, bro. Yeah. I want to ask you this, man. And I don't know if you want to go into the story, but I'm going to say this and you make the decision here. Right. But like you, you had an experience where you came to this realization, man, that you were swimming against the river. Yeah, you know I'm saying yeah, and like you said me most people don't get that.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Yeah ever Yeah, but like you gotta you gotta like live in that.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
I love it. Guys, Andy, let's do our third and final question. Question number three. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Andy, I'm taking major action this year on changing the culture of our company as it is currently toxic. I have constant turnover in my CSR position. I know it's because of the culture. My questions are two parts.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
One, how do you transform the culture of a company when bad habits are in place? I'm not tolerating the behavior I've been accepting for so long now by standing firm and putting action behind my words, by writing employees up, letting people go if they don't adopt new behaviors to work as a team. But is there anything specific that you would suggest?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
And then the second question, second part is what's the best advice you can give on how to replicate myself? I am drowning in the weeds and can't seem to find the person with a work ethic to fit the standards I need for the job. I know the interview process is everything, so I've been developing my interviewing skills. But do you have any advice on that topic?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
This show has been on repeat as I've learned so much. Thank you. God bless.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
I want to clarify this too. What you're saying is you can set all the standards you want. You can make them look nice in the lobby and all of that. And you can fire as many people that don't hold themselves to that. But none of that shit will matter if you as the owner operator are not holding this.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Show the show.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
At least once a month.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Yeah, it was cool.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
It was just cool. Dude, that dude's built some shit, man. He's built some shit. You know what I'm saying? Like seeing that trade being taught to those kids by a dude who's taken that skill.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Yeah.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Yeah, man.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Well, I got three good ones for you.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Guys, I need a question. Number one. Andy, I grew up avoiding conflict and difficult conversations because they made me uncomfortable. Now, as a team leader, I realize this habit is holding me back from addressing problems directly. How can I build the fortitude to tackle through conversations without fear or avoidance? What do we got on this?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Yeah, for sure. I think a lot of it is, like you said, they put too much pressure on what the other person is going to think. And I've been in those situations. You bring it up, it's like, oh.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
I've also heard you two say this, and I don't know if it applies to this, but I've seen you do this in action where you focus on just the intent.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
100 percent, man. I think the other cool like I mean, we talk about reasons why people have problems with this situation, too. And, you know, we got to put some onus on the person trying to have this conversation. If you ain't got your shit together. It's kind of hard to have a difficult conversation about somebody else that ain't got their shit together. Yeah. Right.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Like I think you said before, like you got to hold yourself accountable to hold anybody else accountable. Yeah. And so, I mean, I think that I feel like that might be another reason where like, you know, the reason you don't want to have the conversation because, you know, your shit ain't right.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
835. Q&AF: How To Have Direct Conversations, Reigniting Your Passion & Reshaping Business Culture
Let's get to question number two. Andy, I'm a 45-year-old teacher who loves my work. But after two decades, I'm realizing I've neglected my personal aspirations outside the classroom. I used to dream of writing a novel, but now it feels like too much time has passed and I don't know if I still have it in me. How do I reignite that passion and give myself permission to dream again? Start now.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Wait, this happened at 1.40 a.m.? Yeah. Wait, so the police rushed there at 1.40 a.m.?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Did Michelle call the police?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
What? Okay...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Mm-hmm.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
The cousin is.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Fabian's the boyfriend. And how old is the boyfriend and the cousin?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So from 2016... They believe the truth or what happened was Michelle's interrogation. Right. But why did she the cousins start hitting them in the middle of the night if that happened?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
Okay, but why is Jessica attacking them in the middle of the night?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
So you're saying nothing in this tape can be used against her? Like everything she said was being fed? Like everything she said was not true? She didn't know anything? Or what was happening?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
She will call the police.
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
I'm really...
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
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Are you saying that they are going back to the original story from Jessica? Like a stranger came to the house and essayed and killed her?
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No, they just came down.
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What?
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Is she OK? Is she all right?
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Mom Confesses To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It - Now Claims False Confession
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At that time, the thing that was worth more than its weight in gold was an N95 mask. And the specific fabric that made the N95, turns out a lot of it was being shipped over from China, and we couldn't tool up plants fast enough. So what we focused on here in North Alabama is a face shield. That little piece of plastic visor, that was hard to make.
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And we wanted to injection mold those, but nobody knew how to make a mold really, really fast. And so we 3D printed them here in North Alabama. The whole community got involved.
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This is something you can do for your city right now. The key is that you got to work together. Now go find your team. Remember, your city fighting COVID. I'm Destin. You're getting smarter every day. Go wash your hands. Have a good one. Bye.
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Yeah. John's cool, man. There's this guy named John Youngblood. He has a company called JJ George. which he named after his kids. Wow. And he sells grill products, like a Big Green Egg Grill or a Kamado Joe Grill. Yeah. He made this torch and he got it manufactured somewhere and he sells that and he sells these tables.
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It's just like, I don't know, he just, John just feels like American is baseball and apple pie.
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He said, hey, I've got this idea for a grill scrubber. A lot of people don't know this, but when you clean your grill, a lot of people use these metal brushes. Yeah. And he explained, there's this problem that happens. They'll tell you they've had people come in the door that have this problem. The metal bristles on a grill scrubber.
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Wires. Wire bristles will come off on the grill. and then they'll go into the food that people are grilling and then people eat the burger or whatever they're cooking. And then those bristles will get caught in their throat or go down to their stomach, their colon or whatever. So these metal wires get in people's mouths and they get seriously injured.
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And it's not something you can just, oh, let me just get the wire out. You have to go to the doctor and you have to get it out. And one of the hardest things to do is even figure out that's what it is. So they have to do x-rays and a lot of times they'll do CT scans to figure out like, oh, there's a wire in this person. And so he said, hey, what if we invented one that didn't do that?
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And he didn't really tell me his full idea at first. He was like, I just have this idea. And then later on, as we kind of gained trust with each other, he revealed to me he wants to make a chain mail grill scrubber. So instead of like brushes, like little wire brushes, he's got little links. You know, like a knight in shining armor wears chain mail. You know what I'm talking about, right?
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So that, but put that at the end of a grill scrubber, and that would clean the grill. That was his idea.
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And when he showed me the prototype, it looks... It looks weird. Like the first prototype, I'm just going to level with you. It looks like some kind of sex toy or something. It's not. And I just looked and I was like, that's not what you want to sell, John. You don't want to do that. And so I was like, man, can I take a crack at this?
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That's what John was doing with a lot of his stuff. He's like, hey, I've got a guy in China. We can just make stuff. And I said, hey, I would love to work with you, but... I really want to make a thing in America.
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Dude, this is a rabbit hole, man. So, basically, people that want things manufactured usually find a person overseas that can help them make it. The problem is, once you have something built overseas, they tool up a factory there to do it. And so, yes, they'll make you your widget that you can sell. Yeah.
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However, on Saturday night, they're going to run more widgets, and they're going to backdoor you on Amazon, and they're going to make counterfeit versions of your thing.
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A thousand percent. I know a friend that makes tractor parts, and he used to get the castings made in Turkey, for example. It was for a specific tractor, and he realized, I have to name the part something else. Because if I say, this is a water pump for a Ford whatever tractor,
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I'm the son of blue collar workers. Both of my parents worked in auto manufacturing. They made rack and pinion gears. And I can remember going to see my mom work and she pushed CV joints into rubber boots at a plant. What's a CV joint? You know, on a wheel, you have a wheel that's touching the asphalt. Yes. But your drive train's way up in the middle of the car.
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He would make the castings and suddenly on the internet, up would pop, hey, do you guys want water pump housings for a Ford whatever tractor? This whole backdoor market would start. So he started naming the parts something weird. These are rotor girders. And that would work? Yeah, it works. Yeah.
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So there's this whole thing that happens with manufacturing where, yes, you can get things made somewhere else. And yes, it's way less expensive, but ultimately you will be undermined. And it's a strange thing. And so the question is, why don't we make it in America? Why don't we?
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So the first thing I did is I went to my computer and I used computer-aided design software and I designed the scrubber. The thought was, we have the chain mail and we need a squishy thing to put behind the chain mail and we want to use the least amount of material possible.
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And so there's certain shapes that pack together really well. And a hexagon is one of the most efficient shapes that you can do what's called tessellations. And I remember being irritated in the CAD because you think that would be a really easy thing to do, just say, make me a honeycomb. But it turns out there's not an easy way to do that in CAD.
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Flow is the best way to describe it. You start to have really, really serious opinions about fillet radiuses. And as an engineer, I love this part.
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I went to this facility and I said, hey, we've designed this thing. I 3D printed it. This is what it looks like. Can you please make us a lot of these? We want to make a mold, and we want to make these at your facility. And the guy goes, sure, no problem. And we said, oh, by the way, we want to make the mold in America. We want everything about this to be done in America.
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So there's this joint in between the drive train and the wheel that has to transmit that torque and that power down to the wheel. And my mom, she's small, I can remember seeing her pick up these seven-pound huge hunks of metal and push it into this rubber boot. And I remember thinking, my mom does this every day on third shift? This is incredible. And I just had no, you're a kid, you don't know.
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Yes. When he said, we don't make the mold in America, that's the moment I realized we were screwed. Because you have manufacturing and then you have tooling. And the tooling is what makes the manufacturing work. What's the difference between manufacturing and tooling? Tooling, those are the tools. They're usually custom tools that go into the machines that make things.
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Correct. Yeah. And so there's this whole industry called tool and die. It's a skilled trade.
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In Germany, they have very specific programs where you will learn how to make tools for manufacturing. In the U.S., we have that too, but it's not as strong as they do over in Germany. But my dad used to be a tool and die guy. He used to work in tool and gauge and tool and die. And so they said, yeah, we can't make the injection mold.
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We send that off and we'll get that back from China and then we'll run your part. And then I realized you're sending all the intellectual property overseas. and they're making it. While they're set up to make the tool, they'll just make two. I said, we don't want to do that. We want to make it in America. He almost laughed at me. He's like, yeah, you don't understand.
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You clearly don't understand how this works. I said, well, there's got to be somebody here that makes it. He said, good luck. And that terrified me. It actually terrified me because it made me realize if we can't make the tools to make our parts, then China has us. Yeah. Or whoever has us.
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And I was like, this is what my dad did, and the people I grew up with, this is what they did. Why can't we do it? And so I kind of went on this little mini quest to find somebody that could do this.
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So I found a guy that could do it. He's an old school guy. He was from Pennsylvania. He moved down to Alabama and he has an injection molding facility, but he knows how to make molds. How long have you been making molds?
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Your parents go to work and they come home and you don't realize how many sacrifices they're making. But my mom's hands like literally hurt. She didn't do that all day, every day. That was just, it was so physically taxing. They would only let people do that for a short period of time. But anyway, my parents worked like that. And your feeling as a kid watching her was just like, wow.
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The argument to get things made in China was, well, you get it made in China because it's cheaper. That's what the argument has always been. And then I realized, oh, that's not the argument anymore. Now the argument is, we can't do it because we've been outsourcing it for so long, we've lost the skills.
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And the old guy didn't train the young guy, and men and women working in factories haven't learned the skills because the people that knew how to do it have retired.
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And so that's not something you can fix overnight. Because when I was an intern, the older engineer taught me how to do things. Tool and die interns, there's a program called Journeyman and Apprentice. If they don't have somebody teaching them, we just skip that generation and that doesn't just come back. you have to have somebody to teach you that stuff.
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So the reason it's so scary is because it made me realize in America, we like to push paper around and make money on things, but if we're not actually able to produce, what do you have?
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Oh, I thought, so my parents would come home and their clothes would smell like cutting oil. And it smelled like work. It smelled like this is how you earn a living for your family. And so fast forward, I didn't understand anything that was happening with global politics and economics and all this stuff, but NAFTA happened and CAFTA. Central American Free Trade Agreement.
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A bolt, a bolt that goes on the thing. It's a quarter 20 stainless steel, one inch long bolt, the simplest mechanical object. I put out a tweet and said, I'm looking for an American manufacturer for this bolt. And the quotes I got from overseas are like nine cents a bolt. Yeah. The cheapest I'm getting over here is, the absolute cheapest is a quarter. So it's 3X.
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But most people are coming in at 50 cents. And so as a businessman, John and I disagree on this. So John's the business guy, I'm the engineer.
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And so John's like, hey, man, I'm just being real with you. From a business perspective, we're stupid for doing this. Also, we have to do it if we ever want manufacturing to work in America. And so we're making the decision to buy the more expensive bolt just to have them made in America. You guys are being vegans about this. Maybe I am. I think, ultimately, I want the skills to be in America.
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That's what I want. Yes. Because I see them going away, and I want to bridge the gap. And so I want people to learn the skills again. And in order to do that, you have to be a little bit of a hard tail about it.
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My wife, we do this yearly meeting, and I said, yeah, we're still not in the positive on the scrubber thing, and she burst out laughing. And it was me and a couple other people at the table. I was like, I'm sorry, darling, why are you laughing? And she goes, oh, I'm sorry. We've lost an incredible amount of money on this. But we ultimately think... it's going to be worth it in the long run.
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All these things happened slowly and we watched it from afar. And I can remember my parents like, hey, we're shutting the plant down. My mom and dad just barely got out, but they were able to get a retirement from General Motors. So I remember thinking manufacturing is important. People I knew, their parents made stuff. Yeah. And slowly all that went away. and I didn't understand why.
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So it required an incredible initial investment. And no, this is not about money. This is about something I'm passionate about. And on paper, it's stupid. It's really stupid to try to do it this way. We could have already sold Scrubbers two years ago if we had just done it the way everybody does it. But I've just been very principled. I don't know.
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I like to imagine it being principled, but it's probably stubborn is probably the real word.
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I don't know. But the deal is it has to make money because people will not make things in America if it doesn't make money. So the goal of this project is to prove that you can make something in America that will make money. I want to show, yes, you can do it, and it's smart.
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It's in your best interest to do it because then you have a person in your hometown that has the skills, and the next thing you come up with, you can go to them and ask them to do it.
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Okay, for the metal handle, you got to have a person that can cut them out with a laser cutter. People can imagine that. But the building of the die that stamps the handles, that's a whole person. And there's this really beautiful moment where we go work with this facility and we pay them for the tool. It was like $30,000 to make the tool. It's very expensive. And so we pay them for this tool.
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We go all the way through the process and the guy's name is Logan. We go to the facility and we're like, hey, we're going to make a part. We're finally going to make a part. And we go there and he loads a flat piece of metal and he hits the button and the press comes down. Ka-chunk. Ka-chunk.
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And then he takes it out and he moves it to the next station. It's a multi-station tool. And he goes all the way to the end and he pulls it out and he holds it up and it's done. And I look at him and I said, hey, is this the first tool you ever made? He designed and built the tool. He said, yeah, this is the first one I've ever done.
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We're doing it in our hometown. Okay. Yeah, we're literally doing it in our hometown. So the puck and the chainmail and everything, we have a place where we send them, and we're paying a subcontractor to assemble those components out of state, but in America. So we take the chainmail and the puck and the rubber and all that. They assemble those. They bring it back.
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We get the handles, laser the brand on the handles, and then we assemble them all there at the facility where we ship them out. And how many people work at the facility? Right now, there's five or six, depending on, you know, we bring people in, a lot of times college kids that are home from school in the summer. Destin shared a video.
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You'll have somebody getting out a handle, tying a string on it, and somebody puts the puck on, and somebody puts a little sticker on it. Yeah. And so we have a little assembly line that's very inefficient. It's just kind of bootstrapping right now.
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I know. See, this is the part I don't like.
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It feels like... Like a medieval weapon of war?
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That was the goal. It's a weird thing to talk about, but we showed this to a guy that has a lot of products made overseas. And we said, hey, what do you think about this? He's a design guy. And we said, what are your thoughts on this thing? And he picked it up and he kind of like almost made fun of it. Because it's too heavy? He's like, this feels like something made in America.
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What does that mean? And I was like, you mean good? What does that mean? And he's like, it's just really like strong. And I was like, that's good, right? And he was like, yeah, I guess so. And I was like, I don't like you anymore. But it's just really, it's beefy and it's made to not break.
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It's the only reason we can take the gamble like this because I have a YouTube channel and I can tell the story and the story hopefully will sell. But ultimately, the product has to stand or fall on its own. It's going to come down to a lady in an aisle at a store in Iowa looking at two items on a shelf and she's going to look at two products and she's going to make a decision. So I think...
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The YouTube thing, the marketing power of YouTube, it's a big trend these days where creators, that's the gross term that people say for YouTube, there's this trend where people will make a product and try to rake in a bunch of money based on their- But the product's always like- Yeah, very bad. Right?
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And so we're hoping to get it started with that, but ultimately it has to stand or fall on its own. The market's going to tell the truth. It's terrifying, dude. And the decision, like somebody puts two bolts in front of you, you can't tell the difference. You're like, hey, this one's more American. This one's 35 cents and this one's nine cents. Tell me which one was in America. And you can't.
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And we're making the decision to do it. Like, it doesn't make sense on paper what we're doing. But I think in the long run, I think it's smart. Like, it's long-term thinking. And sometimes capitalism doesn't lend itself well to that because the most important rule is line go up. And so we're doing it backwards, and I hope it works.
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I went to school to learn mechanical engineering. I had two manufacturing internships. One was in Mississippi. I worked at a place called Eaton Aerospace. We made jet fuel pumps for aircraft.
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Yeah, my name is Destin Sandlin. I'm an engineer. I have a YouTube channel called Smarter Every Day, but I identify as an engineer, and I don't really like being called a YouTuber. How come? I don't know. I think... When I was in school, people wanted to be, I don't know, engineers, baseball players, pilots. Yes. And there's this new generation of people that want to be YouTubers. Yes.
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That's, that's, you're really good at asking questions. The answer is every engineering intern is in their mentor's way at all times. Yeah. So you learn pretty quick if you have a good intern or a bad one, if they go find their own jobs. So I had a really good mentor who taught me how to interface with people. He said, hey, if you need a print, print it out.
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You can go stand in line and get it, or you can go to the Coke machine and you can get the favorite drink of the lady that runs the printer and you go slide that across the window and she'll give you the print early. And so he taught me people skills, but I wasn't learning engineering.
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So I slid to the back of the plant there in Jackson, Mississippi, and I found my love, which was called the test engineering test cell. What was that? Imagine a room, not much bigger than the little studio we're in right now, And you have a huge motor running a jet fuel pump. And you have a lot of pipes all over the room mocking up a fighter jet wing.
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It doesn't look like a fighter jet wing, but to the hydraulics, the fluid thinks it's in a fighter jet wing. And so I went back there and I asked the technicians, the old guys that knew what they were doing. I was like, how do you do this? And like for the first week, they're just mad at you all the time. Yeah, why are you here? Yeah, exactly. Get out of my way.
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And then slowly you earn credibility by sweeping the floor, literally, or... organizing the bolt bin, and then they start to accept you because they see value out of you. And then a little bit later, they start to like you. And when they start to like you, then they start to teach you. My next summer, I was an intern, and I worked at Little Debbie Snack Cakes.
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Have you ever had a Little Debbie cake? I've had quite a few, yes. What's your favorite? I don't think I've, which is Little Debbie? It's the oatmeal cream pies.
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Yeah, zebra cakes, fancy cakes. I like the zebra cakes. Yeah. So I worked at Little Debbie Snack Cakes making parts that made the snack cakes.
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Specifically what I was doing is there was, do you know what Rice Krispie cakes are?
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So the specific thing I did over the summer was imagine a five foot wide river of Rice Krispie cake all together. Oh my God. Before it solidifies, just moving constantly. And we had these ultrasonic knives sticking straight down in it that would vibrate, that would cut the Rice Krispie cake into strips. It worked great. Oh, it's fantastic.
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And then there was this guillotine that would chop them into the little squares as they would go along. Yeah. They had that and it worked perfectly. But then they said, oh, now we want to make a cereal bar and we want to put cranberries in it. And so when they started running it, you can imagine what happened when that cranberry hit the ultrasonic knife. It slows it down.
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It doesn't cut it because of this thing called impedance, impedance mismatch, a mechanical impedance mismatch or whatever. It just gums up the line. And so they're like, hey, intern, your job is to make a new cutter that can cut the cereal bars and the Rice Krispie cakes. And I had no idea what I was doing, but there were a lot of smart people that helped me there.
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And I feel so sad about that. I really am because... There was this whole generation of, I say generation, it's like little g, there's this whole wave of YouTubers that became YouTubers as a result of they did something before. Like they had a life, they had a job, they had a thing, and this was just, oh, by the way, I'm going to upload this thing.
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I sat in on meetings and they were discussing the topping distribution on the brownie line. And I was sitting there and I was like, man, are they talking about statistical stuff for sprinkle? What? What are we doing? So first of all, that's how my whole summer felt. Also, I would say there are no smart interns. But yeah, a lot of times you just did trial and error.
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So really, you're an extension of the engineer that's teaching you.
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Once you get over the hurdle of, I'm scared of this, you would be surprised how many things you can fix on your own.
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I don't think that's silly at all. Why is that not silly? Well, I think you're working with your hands. Yeah. You're solving a very, very complex problem. So my first YouTube video that I ever uploaded was called How to Light a Bonfire with Rockets.
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Don't be idiots like we are. Whoa. I kid you not. And so at work, my engineering job, we were testing rockets. That's what I did. Hey, it's me, Destin.
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We needed something going really, really fast and we needed it to be in a very specific location. And I got this special reloadable rocket and I put a special thing on the front of it that reflected certain radar frequencies called a corner reflector at a certain size. I designed it all. And I shot these rockets down this wire to train radars for the military.
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And I was at work one day and I was like, man, this is cool. I was like, I could do this at home and light my bonfire with rockets. This would be awesome. So I went and bought fireworks and I taped a straw to the rocket and hung it on a string and pulled the string down to my Christmas tree and put gas on the fire, duh. And lit the rockets with electric matches.
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And that was actually the first YouTube video I ever uploaded.
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Well before they strap you into a helicopter, you first have to learn how to be upside down underwater and let water flood your sinuses.
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EBR-1, the world's first nuclear power plant. How did it work? We're going to figure that out today.
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That is crazy.
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That's enough for me today. Seriously, I'm going to need to take some.
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Winky, winky, nod, nod, okay? Thank you very much.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Chris Eubank Jr: I Was Paid $**** For The Fight! The Night Before, My Dad Finally Opened Up!
Boring.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Chris Eubank Jr: I Was Paid $**** For The Fight! The Night Before, My Dad Finally Opened Up!
That's the argument.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Chris Eubank Jr: I Was Paid $**** For The Fight! The Night Before, My Dad Finally Opened Up!
Okay, am I bad-looking?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Chris Eubank Jr: I Was Paid $**** For The Fight! The Night Before, My Dad Finally Opened Up!
Yeah, why? Because it may not happen. It's like worrying about what might not happen. Let me just bring this point to you. I would never want, when I have kids, for my daughter to be in a car crash. So, what do I do? I say, I'm not buying you a car and you can't drive. Is that the right thing to do?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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But for nerds, Star Wars nerds like I am out there, it's like the force, you know? It's if you actually believe that you are capable of something, it's weird what you can accomplish.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Best Moment: This Is The One Skill That Will Guarantee Your Success! (Even Against Smarter, Better & Richer People): Codie Sanchez
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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I think so.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Best Moment: This Is The One Skill That Will Guarantee Your Success! (Even Against Smarter, Better & Richer People): Codie Sanchez
Yeah. You know? So I like to read, you know, if, if you want to get a reality distortion field, reading the biographies of billionaires is really powerful. I'd rather read 10 billionaires biographies than 200 self-help books because they've actually done it. And so I think it's, who's the guy that wrote Steve Jobs book? Is it Abramoff?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Walter Isaacson. Yeah. Incredible book to even listen to, to see that reality distortion field.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Yeah. I mean, one of my favorite mentors told me a line that changed my life, which was, it was Bill Perkins. I asked him why he's so successful in so many aspects of his life, damn near a billionaire. And he said, the only reason that I'm successful is I'm faster than everybody else.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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By the time they have thought about an idea, taken it to a meeting and started to move, I have already made three mistakes and found a faster way. Okay. And so his bias on speed is fascinating. If you ever hang out with the guy, it's wild. You know, I'll be like, can we schedule a meeting? He's like, I'm calling you right now. And so he just moves quicker.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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So in our companies, we implemented something called the 24-hour rule, which was this idea that if we want to win, we have to have a bias towards action. We have to decrease our time between thinking about a thing and doing the thing. And so most people say, well, I'll get back to you on that next week, right? Get back to you on that next week. Hate that line.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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That is where dreams and money goes to die. Instead, I say, can you get it to me tomorrow? If all we do different than our competitors is they take a week to do things and we get it done in a day, I don't have to be richer, smarter, or better. I'm just faster. And it drives my team crazy many times. But I'm not smarter. I'm really not.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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I'm just very fast at a few things and I ignore a shit ton of stuff that I don't think is going to move us forward. You know, what happens is people overthink things. And in this day and age, it happens more and more. They think about the thing and they confuse thinking with work. And more often than not, thinking is not working.
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And this is where people will yell at me on the internet and go, well, if I just don't think about anything and I move really fast, I can move fast in the wrong direction. Yeah, you could, but just iterate. Move fast and iterate. Mm-hmm. And that's what most people don't do. And so I'll tell my team all the time, you're thinking about this way too much. Make a decision in 30 seconds.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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That's so true. Do you know what I mean?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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What's the decision? I'll tell you if I like it, yes or no. I like the decision, move forward. And so ask yourself that in life. It's like Mel Robbins, one, two, three, four, five, get out of bed. Mine is 30 seconds to decision.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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I was playing this game yesterday. There's three businesses I really like right now. I really like senior care centers.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Which is interesting because you'd go, Cody, I said tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands. But senior care centers are interesting because there's all these government grants and allowances for the fact that we do not have enough of them in the U.S. And you can turn a house with the right licensing and zoning into a senior care center.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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And so I won't get too technical on it, but demographics show we have a huge aging population. We need more areas to take care of them. And you can start smaller by having an independent living house there. that has a rotating nurse. You make three to five X the rent on that as you do a regular midterm or long-term rental. So I like the demographics of that one.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Plus it's not super capital intensive because you could rent the house out from somebody else and then just layer this assisted living center on top of it. I also really like, I like businesses today that are service-based but don't require a ton of upfront capital. So for instance, window cleaning businesses. I just bought one of these. It's called Pinks with this company called Resi Brands.
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But I love it because I did it. We have a YouTube video that's going to come out. And I was like, am I full of shit? Let's try this and see if I could actually do it. So you need to make $384 a day in order to have a business that does $100,000 a year if you only work five days a week. So I was like, can we make $384 pre-selling window cleaning services to somebody in order to start this business?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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You're actually so right. Yeah, it's true.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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And we tried it and we did it. And so I might start like a window cleaning business, a pressure washing business, a painting business. You could also buy one of those. Those are trade services businesses. And then the third type of business that I always talk about are what I call gateway drug businesses or semi-autonomous businesses like laundromats or car washes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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The problem with those are they're slightly more expensive.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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And Nigel's willing to work hard.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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He just doesn't really know what to do because there's so many options and so many conflicting things he gets told all the time.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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So if I was Nigel, here's the question I would be asking myself. I would be saying, one, do I want to keep my job that I have currently? Or do I want to not keep my job? That's really important because it's like, am I going to go work on something 24-7 or not?
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Yeah, you just got to watch one person do it. And then you go, oh, I'm a wizard too. You know, we're all wizards.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Okay, perfect.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Yeah, you want a little side hustle that you think could be your full-time hustle, right? So in that case, what I would start doing is asking myself, we have something called your unfair advantage Venn diagram, right? And what your unfair advantage Venn diagram is, is your skill set. So what is Nigel good at? And that's as simple as like maybe Nigel's in marketing.
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So he's actually pretty good at marketing. Maybe Nigel drives an Uber or a car service. So he's really good at working super long hours. He's just got the workhorse in him. Then I add my network. Who does Nigel know that could help him? So that might be like Nigel's brother is actually a plumber. He works inside of a plumbing business.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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So if Nigel figured out how to buy a business, he could partner with his plumber brother-in-law or whatever, and they could do it together. And then finally, it's like, what gets you excited? And by what gets you excited, I don't mean an industry. I mean, Nigel loves sales. Nigel loves it. He wants to sell people stuff. Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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And the reason I talk about this Venn diagram like this is it's a little bit more complex than saying you should go buy a franchise, you should go buy a window cleaning business or start those, is because I think the biggest reason why people struggle with what to do next is they don't actually know themselves. And so if I was Nigel, I would say to you,
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Oh, yeah, that's right. So, well, there's two things I want to talk about. One is you've heard of Steve Jobs' reality distortion field.
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Find what your Venn diagram is of the things that you think you're good at, your network is good at, that you could actually go either start or buy a business on. Because the fastest path to wealth is having some type of ownership. So I would start there.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Yeah. Well, yeah, you can't buy it with your 700 extra bucks, but you could buy it with your sweat and your time. So there's three ways to buy a business. You can either use cash, you can use expertise, or you can use time or what I call sweat equity. So think about it right now. I buy a bunch of businesses. I have a ton of cash. You know what I don't have a lot of? Operators.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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I don't have a lot of people who can go actually run the business that I want them to run. But if I had a young guy who was super hungry and I could give him $100,000 to go operate the business that I was going to go run, I would probably do that. And people do that every day in our community.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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And so for this young gun, you're not going to go buy the business outright yourself with your own capital. You're going to say, I'm working 12 hours in a call center right now. I am relentless.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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If you pair me with somebody that knows how to run a plumbing company and I just have to learn and do a bunch of the bullshit to start the company and grow the company or continue the company, would you partner with me? And they're not going to be able to partner with a Steven or a Cody probably at first, but they might be able to partner with somebody's dad that they know.
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Yeah. So Steve Jobs was known for having this energy that basically made other people around him believe that they could change the world. that they were unstoppable. And so people would talk afterwards after he died about how he'd come into their office and he'd be like, we're going to ship this product in 24 hours. I know we're going to do it in three weeks, but we're going to do it in 24 hours.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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And so like, for instance, we had a young guy in our group I'll change his name to Adam since I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it or not. But let's say, so Adam was 19 years old. Adam worked inside of a marketing company. And he had never run a business before, didn't have a lot of cash.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Adam went to the senior partner of his marketing company that he worked for and said, like, we have this vendor over here that we do some stuff with. They do all of our graphic design work. They're really good. The guy's kind of done with running this business. Like, I don't think he wants to keep doing it. I was talking to him about the other day. What if we bought this business and I ran it?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Like, I'll integrate it for us. I'll bring it into this company. And I think we can buy it with just the percentage of future profits we bring in, which is called seller financing. And the marketing head was like, if you think you can get that deal done, yeah, sure. And the guy was like, okay. Adam says, well, if I do that, can I have part of the company for bringing it over?
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And he said, well, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't have to put in capital to the deal or I have to put in a very small amount of capital. You're going to run it. And we basically have like a risk free trade because we just have to pay them a percentage of future revenue or future profit. Sure. And so now Adam owns a business that he's about to sell because he basically partnered with his his owner.
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And so, I mean, you can even think about that with your business today. If you're a young person working with Steven and you're like, hey, Steven, we're in this studio right now. I saw like a sign out front that says that they're actually, they want to sell this studio.
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studio space, I bet we could rent out this whole thing and we could probably cash flow and make this a profit center instead of a loss center for us. If I could like a negotiated deal that was basically a seller financed real estate deal for us, would you want to do something like that? I could help us run the rental of it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Now you might say no to that first deal, but you're probably going to look different at that employee.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Seller financing is how 60% of all businesses get sold when they're small businesses. So it's very normal. Seller financing just means this, that the seller uses a percentage of future profits to let somebody else buy the business. And instead of you having a loan or a mortgage for a house, they're basically saying, hey, my business right now makes $100,000 a year profit.
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I want to sell it to you for $300,000. You go, sounds good. I don't have $300,000. And they go, okay, well, why don't I sell it to you for $300,000 over five years and you pay me each year from that $100,000 profit that we have? Could we do a deal that way? You might be like, yeah, we could do that.
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Yeah. Or not royally fuck it up. Yeah. A hundred percent, which is, you know, selling anything is a trust trade, right? So these days we have to do less trust when we sell something because we have immediate trust in like a credit card or money. This is almost going back to bartering days where it's like, I'm going to sell you this with the idea that you're going to give me that.
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He would get them all riled up. And then they would ship it in 24 hours. And after the 24 hours were done, they would kind of be like, you know, coming out from a blackout. Like, what just happened? How did he talk me into that? That's his reality distortion field, which I think is fascinating because we all actually have that ability. His was really strong.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Coming up next on The Jordan Harbinger Show. Technology has cured diseases, fed us, kept us warm, have done all these things for 8 billion people on the planet. And we've got to keep that technological machine moving forward.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You know, got to do some new math, right? So that's why ocean exploration is very interesting. There's so many different facets, whether it's marine biology, marine geology, oceanography, even archaeology, finding wrecks and things like that, which I like doing as well. There's just so much fun stuff, unlike space, which is empty, except for, you know, asteroids.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, or maybe life on another moon way out there. But here on Earth, we have a lot of things still to explore.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Oh, absolutely. You know, the deep ocean in the middle of the Pacific is completely unknown. We just don't go there and it's hard to go there. And many of the places in the ocean are really rough. We did one dive on my expedition to the bottom of all five of the world's oceans in the Southern Ocean. In fact, most people can't even name the five oceans on planet Earth. They'll do the first four.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
They'll do Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian. Then they'll go Arctic.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But then they never get the one in the bottom, which is the Southern Ocean.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That's what it's called. And some people say the Antarctica Ocean. Well, colloquially, maybe, but it's actually called the Southern Ocean. And we mapped the deepest point there for the first time. And I went and dove it. But we were just getting hammered just relentlessly.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, on the surface by the storms, the snow, ice. It was horrific. In fact, it was the first time that actually the submarine collided with the ship. Because the waves and the motion was just so chaotic. We did one successful dive in like 30 days here. Thank God it was a dive where I tried to go to the bottom. But then we just said, you know what, we're done.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And because it's so harsh, that's why, you know, it's really hard and really expensive to explore the ocean.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It's not that bad. In fact, it's actually pretty good because, you know, you make sure the ship has, you know, good food, great coffee. You're always doing something with the technical gear, especially the submersible. You know, they were always begging for more time. Oh, we need, let's fix this. Let's harden that. Let's, you know, there's always one more time.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And then, you know, every day, yeah, but yeah, you're right. Every day, you know, we're checking the satellite maps because we had a satellite link. I got a spot beam from a satellite right on my ship. So we had good connectivity. That was a whole separate issue. But, you know, every day we're pouring over the satellite maps. You know, where's the hole in the weather going to appear?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You know, is that going to work? So there's a lot of activity. And we all really got along well, thank God. You have to have a good, happy crew.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, that's why you have shakedown cruisers. Military does the same. I was in the U.S. Navy for 20 years. I know how it works. And if there are people that are not working out or if you don't have a good team— That was one thing about my favorite explorer, Roald Amundsen. You know, you swap them out with no pity, no delay. You just, that's your job as the leader.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You have to get the team right and you got to do it quickly. And if there are still problems, then you need to have those hard conversations. I relieved multiple people off the expedition while we were underway. You know, you're getting off at the next stop or it's not going to work out anymore. You just had to do it. That was my job.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And that's what I do in business as well, because business very much is the business of creating the teams that make the companies run. And they're no different where you need the right people in the right place. They need to be properly motivated and everything else. So that skill was highly translatable to running an expedition, either in the mountains or in the ocean.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And I think that's one reason that they were usually pretty successful.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And it can come from any number of things. People think classic dysfunctional teams is, oh, there's like a bad egg who's just a jerk or this or that, or she's a jerk. But it can be, you can have teams where you have just a lot of really, really strong, capable people, but that doesn't work either. Right. Because they're butting heads constantly. Sure.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And so you have to have a good mixture of leadership, capability, mutual respect. Sense of humor is absolutely imperative because under high stress, it's humor that gets you through it usually. Makes sense. Especially at sea.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
We preferred it not to be night. Of course, yeah. We typically would not do it at night doing deep ocean dives, but we would come up at night. Because actually, in some respects, it was easier to pick up at night because you could see the lights of the submarine in the ocean.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And it was easy to pick stuff up out. You know, the landers that went down with me, we could see them more easily. The ship was pretty bright. But there are pluses and minuses to both. But we typically would not launch at night.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
There was also the circadian rhythm we had to take into account. Of just humans. Right, of human beings. You don't want to necessarily do a launch and then people are working all through the night when they're normally asleep. Then you start, you know, there's a lot of high tension cables. A lot of stuff has to go right.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, I've done more than a few things. Born and raised in Texas. I was fortunate. I tested pretty well. I went to school out here in California. I went to Stanford. And then I kind of went in between management consulting and investment banking for a while. Picked up a master's from MIT and then from Harvard Business School and then went into private equity.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
So you have to take all that into account when you're doing a mission and, you know. In assessing risk.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, well, just think of it this way. You know, you're going to take your flight to London. You're scheduled at, you know, 7 p.m. Oh, great. Okay. Then it's delayed until 3 a.m. Yeah. You want the pilots flying? Right. I'm like, tell me the pilot.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, crush depth is directly related to the design and construction materials of the submersible. If you go down in a paper cup, you're going to be crushed, you know, at 100 meters. Military submarines are made out of steel primarily. So they're going to reach a certain depth on average between 300 and 1,000 meters per
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And as you see in the movies, if you go too deep in a military submarine, those bolts and those welds will start to give way and they will implode. And that's what happened to the submersible to Titanic, you know, last year, which some friends of mine were on. And that was a flawed design and it was not operated correctly and it imploded.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That's crush depth for that submarine. It was about 4,000 meters. Mine was designed and tested to a crush depth of 15,000 meters. It's the deepest capable submarine ever built. That thing was a tank. And we tested it to that.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I don't have a tattoo. No, no. So this is just nonsense? Yeah. That one thing I learned about, you know, not that I seek publicity, but it was funny. I just do what I do because I like doing it. I love the missions. I love flying. I like climbing. But no one heard about me before this marine stuff because I didn't care. I still don't care.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But that was newsworthy enough that people started reporting on it. So I'll do things like this to explain it and to correct misconceptions. But I am stunned. I'm absolutely stunned how many details are gotten wrong in the media.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Or just another one. In the BBC, they reported when I went to the bottom of the ocean that I saw, quote, sweet wrappers. Like candy wrappers? Right. Okay. But British English, right?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Some PR person in England just put that in, confused it with a different trench. But since the BBC reported it, it is now part of history. Right. There were candy wrappers at the bottom of Challenger Deep. It's like, nope, that happened because it was reported by everybody. And I'm saying that didn't happen. That's fascinating. But there are so many details like that.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
What you read in even the most reputable news sources... always take with a grain of salt because they do get it wrong and they don't really correct.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Lately, I'm a little bit more in a venture capital than private equity, but that's how I made my money to fund all the various activities that I've done. When I was about 26, I was at business school and I was approached by the Navy because I have some language skills and other things. They invited me to be an intelligence officer in the reserves.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, I did find a piece of trash.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I did find, and I'm not sure what it was. I'm pretty sure it was plastic, but there was no question it was human because there was like an S. Oh, I see. There was a piece of packaging, but I didn't find candy wrappers.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Although at a different part of Challenger Deep, the deepest point in the ocean, we did see a beer bottle and we're pretty sure it was a Heineken. Yeah.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, I couldn't. decide when I was in my 20s what I wanted to do, whether I wanted to go hardcore into business and investing in finance, or if I wanted to pursue, frankly, a hardcore military career, being an intelligence officer, doing war planning and all this. I ended up kind of doing both. I kind of figured out how to do it.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But as part of that, I accepted a PhD program position at MIT, and it was defense analysis. So really it was about the mathematical modeling of warfare. I did a little bit of that when I was at Stanford, and I really got to do it at MIT, where how can you predict the outcome of conflicts, and what are the key variables that decide who wins a war?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And I was really interested in that, so I did that at MIT. I didn't want to get a PhD. That would have taken too long, and I didn't like the career trajectory for that. So I took a master's and I left. But my master's thesis that you just alluded to was literally –
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
The Balance of Air Power in Central Europe, a quantitative assessment where I basically built a mathematical model for what would have happened if East and West had fought in Europe during the Cold War. And, you know, and more importantly, especially for all the nerds out there, it's like, no, but what were the key variables that drove the conclusion of who won and who lost?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And what were the most leveraged things you could invest in to change the outcome? That's the real important lesson. So that's what I did. But it was really operations research. Who was going to win that one, the United States or the West?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Mainly because after a mobilization period, we had better numbers, better systems, but most importantly, better pilots. Really? In doing all my research for that thesis, what I turned out again and again, it comes down to the human factor. You put a great pilot in a mediocre plane, he will defeat any other aircraft. No matter what it is, if it's a mediocre pilot.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And you just come up over and over again where you end up in real world situations where, you know, that's why the Israelis are so amazing when they go into aerial combat. I mean, they defeated the Syrians like 92 to nothing in 1982 in the Falklands War. You had inferior numbers by the British, but they never suffered an air-to-air loss from the Argentinians.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And that started a 20-year career in the military, kind of on the side. For several occasions, I was called up for relatively long periods of time to serve active duty in certain conflicts. But all the while, I was doing my day job of investing and also started a multi-decade career in mountain climbing. So that was something I was really passionate about.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And it goes down to pilot training and pilot quality. And that was the key differentiator. So a little off tangent, but that was something I was pretty passionate about. Yeah, no, that's interesting.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That's kind of the old Soviet or Russian style. I see. It's all underground control. It's all about the platform. The human is just a cog in the machine. But what history shows you quite clearly, even now, is that really well-trained pilots with good doctrine can completely overcompensate for inferior technology.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And if they have superior technology, which they usually do, they get 5 to 1, 10 to 1, 50 to 1 kill ratios. And that's why when you also study whether it's World War I or modern warfare, it comes down to 90% of the time, if you're shot down in a plane, you never saw who shot you down.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It's ambush. Yeah.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
No, that's really rare. And that's Hollywood. It really is situational awareness. I know where you are, but you don't know where I am. And I get a missile shot off and take you out before you even know what's happening because radars look forward. They don't look all around. Don't get me started on aerial warfare. I could go on for hours about that.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, you know how you can do the projection where that goes, where you would effectively have, you know, Maybe a human optional aircraft is kind of where you're going to go. But yeah, you could have an AI with a training data set of some of the best pilots ever and have cameras all around the aircraft. It would be better than a human because it would have 360 degree view.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It would have the accumulated experience of any aircraft. fighter pilot ever and built a training set and it could do maneuvers no human could survive. Right, right. I would be absolutely terrified to go into a dogfight with a completely AI-controlled fighter aircraft. It would be suicide.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Right, about maximum of nine Gs for a human. And even then they're going to probably pass out. But a machine wouldn't even think twice. And that's the other thing that they've seen even in very initial studies of doing, you know, AI combat in silica, you know, doing simulations of putting human pilots against AI driven. They've kind of done that a little bit.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
They said it's unnerving because the AI controlled fighter planes are utterly fearless. They just immediately make the decision and do things that even a human will hesitate just a little bit. Sure.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But as I got older, I realized it's more of a young man's game. And I was looking for a different challenge that was more cerebral, more logistic, maybe more financially difficult. And then the ocean calls when that happens. And that began a multi-year endeavor, which I'm probably most known for, is diving to the bottom of all five of the world's oceans.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah. Probability is 95%. I'll do it.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Oh, by the way, it's an interesting point you made about skimming the ocean because that is one of the key ways you can evade missile shots is by getting really, really low because you blend in with the ground. The radars can't tell the difference between the ground and a fighter plane, even if it's moving. There's too much clutter.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That is accurate in Top Gun when they're weaving in the mountains and stuff. That is one way to evade missiles is because the missile can't figure out what you are and what the terrain is.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, no, the coup happened the day we summited the highest mountain in Russia and in Europe. And we came back down, hey, we summited, this is great. And all the Russians were like clustered around the radio. And we're like, hey, what's up? Yeah. There's a coup underway in Moscow. We're like, oh, crap. Yeah, think our plane's going to take off in time?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, we actually were considering hiking across the border into Turkey if things got really dicey. That would have been a pretty rough trek, but we could have done it. But we just stayed there for a couple of days, drank vodka with the Russians, and eventually things calmed down. And we flew into Moscow, and yeah, there was burning stuff in the streets. The flag had changed.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And it was sketchy at the airport. I bet. But, you know, good old Western passports, they were like, they didn't want us there. They wanted us out.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It was still very confusing. And so when things are really confusing, people just, they just want you to get out of there. So that happened. That was fun.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
In Russia, it certainly did. Yeah.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Oh, I'm not fluent. No, I don't think any Western can ever speak fluent Arabic. But I had the tutor and I trained in Arabic. That was part of my job requirement. I lived there for almost about a year and a half, a little longer than that. And yeah, it got pretty good because I was living in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and I had to I used my Arabic a lot, but now that was 30 years ago, so it's degraded.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But no, I learned Arabic and I spoke French when I was little, German in college, and lately a little bit of Italian because that's my ancestry. So yeah, a couple languages.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It's Vescovo in the West, and it's Vescovo in Italian. It means bishop in Italian.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I just do it American English, Vescovo.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I've been flying since I was 19, so I've done that. So I've done a whole lot of different activities, and it's been a great ride.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah. Yeah. I would assume so. Yeah. I almost, you know, bought it on the highest mountain in South America, Cerro Aconcagua. It's on the border of Chile and Argentina. And it was one of the first mountains I climbed, and my skill level wasn't quite where I needed it to be. But I was only a couple hundred feet below the summit, and I fell.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And I went down a pretty steep incline and I started a rock slide and I ended up on the bottom of it. So I was just getting pummeled by not rocks, but by boulders. And I got smashed in the head. And then I had a huge boulder that like impacted my spine. So I was laid flat and I was unconscious for a minute or two.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
When I came to, my guide was hovering over me, and there were only two others on our trip. And I couldn't speak. I was partially paralyzed in my legs. And I had amnesia. I was in a very, very bad way. And of course, it was in the mid-afternoon and a storm was coming in. And the three of them thought I was completely out of it. But actually, I was quite lucid.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I could understand what they were saying. They were saying, there's no way we can carry him down. Not the three of us, not this altitude. And so they seriously had only one option, which was we're just going to give him everything we can to keep him warm. And we'll come back tomorrow morning. Oh, my God.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, they're going to leave me out there to struggle through it 22,000 feet.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I mean, what else could they do? Yeah, I mean. I mean, honestly, I didn't begrudge them that. But fortunately, there's a team of four French climbers on the summit. And I had spoken with them in French on the way up. We'd become kind of buddy-buddy. They were pretty cool guys. And they saw the accident. And they came down and they recognized me and said, hey, your friend, is he okay?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And they said, no, he's really jacked up. So the seven of them. pulled me, dragged me down a couple thousand feet that evening and night to get into an emergency shelter. And sure enough, a storm did blow through. Oh, my God. And so I just struggled through that night and then eventually got down to an altitude where a helicopter got me out.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Three months of physical therapy and no permanent damage, thank God. Except for some teeth that got smashed, but...
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, kind of. That's what I did. And I went back two years later and did it.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, exactly. And quite frankly, of all the things that I've done in my entire life, and I've done a lot of things, some of them fairly risky, mountain climbing by far is the most dangerous thing you can do, in my view, because it's such a combination of factors, many of which you have no control over, like the weather.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
No, I was really, really careful the next time I went through that area.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, it does. It didn't make me super religious or anything, but it definitely... I mean, the first thought that went through my mind was like, I just killed myself. And for what? To climb this stupid rock. Really? Yeah. you know, kind of mad at myself.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah. But what it did do is like, you know, they call it climber's amnesia, not for that reason, which is, you know, when you get better and you're like, it wasn't that bad. You know, it kind of was. But I think in that case, it really made me appreciate risk management. And that no matter what happens, you never, ever let yourself not get reckless, but even let your guard down. Yeah.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Because those environments that we operate in, they're trying to kill you.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
One analog I have to that, and it didn't happen until after that incident, was I learned how to fly helicopters. And one thing you learn flying helicopters is that they are inherently unstable. What I mean by that, if you're flying a fixed-wing aircraft and you completely let go of the controls... It will continue flying for quite a while. It's stable. It wants to fly.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
If you did that in a helicopter, within seconds, it would flip on its side, flip over, and be unrecoverable. So you are constantly in positive control of the helicopter, which is why they are kind of dangerous because the pilot is really important in the helicopter. You're really betting on that pilot being good, especially in an emergency situation because they're inherently unstable.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But the point is, is that nature and all of its forces that are acting on you, it's like you're living in a helicopter. If you let your guard down driving on a highway or walking across an intersection on an icy road, you're in that unstable environment. And if you're not careful, not to make people paranoid. I should be a little paranoid driving on the highway. But... you can mitigate it.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And that's what I've learned in my whole life of doing all these interesting things is you can operate in a very dangerous world. You just need to be aware and you need to mitigate those risks.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
In particular, and if you're not careful and you're not prudent, you can die pretty, you can die in all those environments, but you can die pretty easily in the mountains. One of the greatest mountain climbers I know of, Ulle Stuck, climbed what I consider the most deadly mountain in the world, Annapurna. He climbed it solo, I think in about three days or less, maybe even less than that.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yes, it does. And that does mystify me why there are some people that have like four kids and they're out there climbing on really dangerous mountains. Yeah, I kind of have been able to view myself as kind of expendable. That's my job in the grand tapestry of life here on this earth is I'm one of those guys. If someone has to take a risk, probably should be me. I've been trained for it.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I'm comfortable in those environments. And I don't have a wife. I don't have kids that I'm responsible to. And that also, I think, sharpens my capabilities when I'm in a very dangerous situation. I don't have the iconic, you know, picture on the dashboard of my plane kind of thing. That is not a good thing to have.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, I know. I know people disagree with me. They think, oh, but, you know, that gives you connection to humanity and this and that and the other. But, man, when you're operating on the sharp edge of risk and life and death kind of things, you want to be 100% there. Yeah. with you and the machine and the environment. Nothing else. Nothing pulling you back or whatever.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, yeah. I mean, that was why people always said, you know, it was a two-seat submersible and I got some flack, especially from the scientific community saying, how come you only dive solo? Well, I did in the early days because I was a freaking test pilot. If there was an emergency, one, I wanted to be able to focus on it completely and not have to worry about the passenger.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Number two, I was able to operate with a bit more risk if it was just me. If the slightest thing was off and I had a passenger, I would abort the dive and go up. My primary responsibility was always to the passenger. Everything else is secondary. When it was just me, I could test the submersible.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Now, some of those things bled into one another, like the longest dive we ever did at the bottom of Challenger Deep. I did do with a passenger, but that was Hamish Harding, who's a trained jet pilot. And he and I talked about the dive. And yeah, we did a little bit more risky thing with him because we were really pushing the submarine to its limits. But he was qualified to do that with me.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And if something had gone wrong, you know, we would have immediately come up. But nothing did. It was fine. It was a good dive. But yeah, you just have to calibrate your risk when you're with a passenger. And you definitely take less risk when you have other people that are responsible.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It's a valid point. You know, when you take on the family, you have responsibilities other than yourself.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
He died on Everest because he just had, you know, what appears to be one bad move. and he tumbled down a rock face. An incredibly experienced climber. Just shocked that that happened, but it's a dangerous environment. So really, mountains were great at teaching risk management. If you do it for a long period of time, you have to learn that skill.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, it just means they need to change their risk profile. The example I mentioned earlier where Rob Hall escorted Doug Hansen to the summit of Everest, and he never came back. And he had a pregnant wife back in New Zealand. And the issue was...
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I don't want to criticize Rob Hall, but point being, if you do have a pregnant wife back at home, I would think really long and hard about pushing any client or pushing any situation. You should be the first one to say, nope, we're done, and take the flack from it.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Right, but you need to change your risk profile or not do big, hard mountains. Be an instructor on lower mountains or, you know, you need to think hard about your life. You can't have it both ways. Life is a series of trade-offs.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Age gracefully, people. We all age. And doing what I do, I'm not fighting against, you know, mortality. I'm just adjusting to it. And that's what you need to do because we're all going to die. None of us make it out of here alive. Not yet, anyway.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That's a whole separate topic. But there's the physical side of immortality, which I think they're going to really struggle with. But then there's the in-Solico way, which even now, they're able to like, you know, just imagine dumping every email, every text online. you ever wrote into an AI. And even now they have algorithms that can mimic you.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Look it up on the internet now.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
There are actually services that allow you to do that now. That's straight out of Black Mirror. It is. Yeah. But Black Mirror is often foretelling the future.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And then Kevin AI just synthesize your voice, which is child's play now.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I think it will be common. in the next 10 years for people who want it to have digital recreations of their deceased with the proper visuals, voice, and even personality based on all of their textual communications. It will be perfect.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
If she talked back, maybe you wouldn't kill people.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, that's what motivated me. I got the idea because Richard Branson came up with the original idea. I give him credit because he came up with a project called the Five Dives, but he chose a submersible technology that was based on carbon fiber, quartz crystal, all this. It didn't work. But I said, wait a second. I'm a little bit more techie. And I said, that should be possible.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And putting my business hat on, I said probably the five most dangerous words in the English language, which are, how hard could it be? And I started, I do what I do, right? I'm a pseudo-engineer. And I started taking apart the problem, putting it into pieces. And I found out that each one of them was doable. Expensive and hard, but doable. No one else had done it.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And that's a really helpful skill to have just for life in general.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And this is something that, like you just said, I can't believe no one has done this. This is ridiculous. I thought, like, okay, the Navy did it in 1965. In 1960, they dove to the very bottom of the Challenger Deep, and then that was it. They only did one dive. And not only that, we didn't even know exactly where the other four deeps were. Oh, really? No.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That was one thing that happened to me, where we were building the ship, building the sub, and I had assumed— That we knew were the bottom. Where's the map that shows where we're going? Oh, it doesn't exist. Yeah, where's the bottom of the Indian Ocean? And then, you know, my chief geologist, the wonderful Dr. Heather Stewart of the Royal Geological Society, she was in the meeting.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
She was my geologist on the exhibition. She raised her hand saying, Victor, we actually don't know where exactly the other four deepest points are. I went, like, literally, like, you're kidding. I said, well, you know, okay, well, what do we need to figure that out? You need a really big sonar mounted on the ship. And I'm not kidding.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I had to go and we installed the most powerful sonar ever put on a civilian vessel to map these deep ocean trenches because they're seven miles deep. And we had to do it precisely. And yeah, so we would literally just burn holes in the ocean for days at a time, tracking the bottom, finding the deepest point, and then diving it. They were not known.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
In fact, in the Indian Ocean, there were two candidates, thousands of miles apart. And we had to survey both of them. And they went, okay, that one's like 100 meters deeper. We'll go there. Right.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
In fact, people said, Victor, you really need to map it because... If you dive the wrong one, that's not a good outcome.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
In fact, some of them we couldn't even verify with sonar. It was in the margin area. Like in the Pacific Ocean, there are two really deep trenches, the Mariana Trench and the Tonga Trench. No one talks about the Tonga Trench. Two really deep points, the Challenger Deep and the Horizon Deep. No one had even remotely gone to the bottom of the Horizon Deep, not even tried.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And yet they were really close on sonar. So we had to physically dive each one and get actual measurements, multiple, from any number of instruments. It turned out that the Tonga Trench was like 110 meters shallower. That's like a football field. Right.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That's really close. Wow. We were actually really pulling for the Tonga Trench because we would have gotten to rewritten all the textbooks. But no, the Challenger Deep is the deepest point. And people out there may go like, well, maybe there's someplace.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
No, we know it is the deepest point because the satellites in orbit have done magnetic surveying of the Earth plus or minus a couple of hundred meters. So we know without doubt. I see. where all the deep ocean trenches are. And we've now pretty much mapped all of them.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
No. No? There's Antarctica, but that's an unusual issue. But the short answer is no.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Most people don't die on Kilimanjaro. No. But you can, you know, break an ankle because you're going to and it is 18,000 feet. And what people don't realize is that, you know, that altitude will affect different people differently. Some people can climb Everest without oxygen.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
There had been only two dives to the very bottom of the ocean. won by the Trieste in 1960 by Captain Don Walsh and Jacques Picard, and then James Cameron, the film director, in 2012. So he dove the Deep Sea Challenger, his submersible based on steel and something called syntactic foam, which allows it to float. And he did one dive, and then he gave it to the Wetzel Institute.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
So my initial impression was, why reinvent the wheel? I'll just get his submersible, I'll refurbish it, maybe add some new bells and whistles, and I'll dive that one. And I went to Woods Hole and I inspected it and it was not in great shape. And not only that, but I had a group from Triton Submarines who I was talking to who are the submarine experts.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And they said, you could do so much more if you did blank sheet. We know so much more. And you can use titanium, not steel, and allow it to have two people, not one. So they made a really good case for not doing that. And they were right.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, it is actually in the book, Expedition Deep Ocean, where Josh Young, the embedded journalist we had on the Five Deeps, he wrote about that. And yeah, it was one day I kind of, in my mind, I said, I'm willing to do this. I'm willing to write the check and take the risk because I had no guarantee it would work. I could have blown tens of millions of dollars down the drain and oh well.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I wrote the email to Triton and I tried to say, look, I'm a serious person. I do have the financial wherewithal. You know, I'm a rated jet pilot. I could pilot it. Let's just meet. Let me make my case and let's talk about it. Well, they'd really been wanting to build a submersible that could go to the bottom of the ocean for a long time.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
In some respects, well, they had their own vision of what they wanted to build. They wanted to build a submersible that had a clear hull. Oh, that's a cool idea. It had never been done before. But theoretically, it's possible out of glass. But I know enough about manufacturing to know just manufacturing that without any flaws would have been a research and development project.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Some people, I've actually seen a young woman, unfortunately, die at about 18,000 feet from acute cerebral edema brought on by altitude. What is that? What is cerebral edema? It's basically where your body malfunctions when it gets to higher altitude and you get water on the brain, you're not getting enough oxygen. And some people, a very, very small percentage of people, you'll begin to shut down.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And in one of our first meetings, I said, I am not willing to write a bunch of checks for a five-year R&D project.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Let's take it a step back technologically and I'll fund that. In the same way, you know, I admire Elon Musk a lot. He always goes to first principles. You start with the requirements. What's the minimum requirement that you have? And then you build up from there and don't take anything else as, you know, oh, well, other people did it this way.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Just start from a blank sheet of paper with minimums and build from there. And that's what we did. And we ended up building something that was definitely doable.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, that goes into one of the key principles of doing anything, whether it's doing venture capital or private equity or doing expeditions. It's the boring professional discipline of program management. How do you manage a complex program? And you have to do with a little bit of give, a little bit of take, but you have to have control and you have to have hard limits.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And I think there's a reason why our project, of course, it didn't come in on budget because there are unknown unknowns. But you have to set limits and you have to be able to flex your requirements so you can meet overall the objectives.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But that's why you see multibillion-dollar overruns on government projects, because they're just so big and massive, and many of them are undermanaged, that it's chronic. You see that less so in oil and gas exploration, where you still have things go wrong, but they're much more professional about it, and they know when to cut their losses.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Program management is the unsung enabler of all the great things that have happened in history. The construction of the Panama Canal, the Lewis and Clark expedition, winning the race to the South Pole. Studying those and how they were done is just as important as the sexy stuff like the technology or the brave leadership, whatever. But that's what gets stuff done.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And that's, I think, what I brought to the table was that I managed it very tightly personally. And it was benefited by the fact that, you know, I was the guy writing the checks.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I didn't have to ask more money from anybody. It was all my checks. I didn't have to abide by anyone else's expectations or calendar. Very important. Number two, I was a pilot. So I knew everything about that sub and I was working with them on design features, this, that, and the other. And I was also the person, you know, putting together this whole expedition and running it.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
When you have like one person that is doing all those things, decisions are really tight and rapid. And that's one thing that made it work. Plus, I think other people have described the initial phases of the first expedition. It was kind of like Ocean's Eleven, where I basically got to go around the world and say, who is the best person for that, for expedition management? Oh, that's Rob McCallum.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But everyone, in a way, I believe, from my experience, they have kind of a genetic limit to how high they can climb. And you will go no further. And you don't know until you actually get to that altitude. I had a good friend of mine who tried Everest this year. Great guy, fantastic shape, but it was like he hit a wall, I think, at about 21,000 feet. Wow. And that was it.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Who would be the best ship captain? Oh, that's Stu Buckle. And because this was such an ambitious undertaking, they wanted to do it. So I was able to assemble an extraordinary group of people that all wanted to be there and were willing to do whatever it took to make it work.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, there is no test chamber large enough on Earth to test the entire submarine at 11,000 meters.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
So we had to test all the components... and then assumed that they was worked together well at pressure. But the most important one was the pressure vessel that held the pilot and the passenger. So it was actually designed so that it could fit in the largest testing chamber on earth, which was at the Krylov Institute in St. Petersburg, Russia. So that was the core.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And we send it off, you know, on a Friday, paid cash and got it in and out over a weekend.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That's exactly what I was expecting was going to happen.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But the team worked it, and we got it out of there. We didn't know until we opened the container in Florida if it was a pile of bricks or something. Oh, God. Yeah, literally a pile of bricks. Yeah, which they could have done. Said, oh, you know, there's an export tariff of a million dollars. You know, what are you going to do? Right.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
We were very, very fortunate that things went well.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, it was basically big and it's basically nothing but a huge screw.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It's this massive pit made of metal. They fill it with water, and then they put whatever they're testing in there, and then they put a screw on top of it, and using a hydraulic press, turn the screw, and they increase it. That's basically all it was. Wow. And, you know, that's very Russian, right?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But it works. Yes. You know, no American would do that, but they did it, and they did it to test God knows what. But it worked, and we were able to test it to 15,000 meters. So when I went down for the first time, in the fully assembled sub, any number of things could have gone wrong because we had never put all the pieces together, and things did go wrong eventually.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Not on that first dive, really. The first dive was actually great, but over time, things started breaking down because of the pressure and the salt water. But I knew that the pressure vessel was very, very strong. It was not going to implode. And, you know, the phone was going to keep me buoyant. So I had great confidence. Was I 100% sure? Well, no, you never are. It's a test vehicle.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And you're going down. That's why I went down solo. And every little noise that it made on the way down, I was like, what's that? Is that the last thing I'm going to hear? Yeah. But over time, I learned what each sound was. And like any machine, like a plane or helicopter, you just, oh, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I mean, he was going to get edema if he kept going up higher. And so when you're climbing ultra high mountains like Everest, in the back of your mind, you're always going, okay, I hope I can keep going. I don't know what's going to happen. And it's people that just push through that that sometimes end up dead.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Sort of, yeah, kind of. Or that's the seat doing this, or that's that fan that needs a little oil. You know, you just, you become, that's one thing I love is that I'm never more comfortable than when I'm in a complex machine. I love getting to know my machines and kind of merging with them and making them do what I want.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But the most important thing was the spherosity, as they call it, of the pressure vessel.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It had to be a perfect sphere.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You'd get imbalanced pressure. And that's what was cool is that it was like 0.01 millimeters. I can't even remember. But it was a really, really tight sphere. But what was cool is that we tested the metallurgy of the capsule after several dives, and it was even stronger. What had happened was with repeated dives to the bottom of the ocean, it was like it was being reforged.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Right, just packed together really tight. In nature's most brutal forge, you can't have anything at a higher pressure on planet Earth. Unless you go underground. And it just made it stronger.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
As a perfect sphere. Yeah. Perfect, you know, balance.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Don Walsh, the first person to the bottom of the ocean who was on my ship when I made my dive. Wonderful person. And he passed away, unfortunately, last year. But yeah, he said, hey, Victor, just know that, you know, if you hear it, you're fine.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
He said, you won't even realize it. It's not like the movies where you have water coming in. He says, under extreme pressure, you're going to be dead before it even hits your brain.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
No, that's a bad way to not run out of oxygen or, you know, have a leak you can't solve, you know. Like watching James Cameron's movie, The Abyss, just gives me the chills when the water's coming in and they can't shut it off. That's like a nightmare for me. That's a terrible way to go.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, it's actually funny, the little untold stories that whenever I took passengers down especially to the bottom of the ocean, it's like about four hours to get back to the surface. And, you know, you've dropped your weights. There's really not a lot you can do as the pilot. Watch a movie. Yeah. So I literally, and I would let my passengers pick the movie that they would watch.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Plus it also distracted the passengers. Sure. And, you know, kept them calm and all that stuff. You got to think about those things. And it was funny what different people chose. Like one person chose the horror movie that takes place at the bottom of the ocean. I forgot what it was. And then other people chose comedies. One person chose, you know, Lawrence of Arabia.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You're watching a desert movie while you're surrounded by ocean. It's just all varied by the individuals. At Titanic, I did watch the Titanic.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I'm not trying to be like, how do I make this worse? Yeah, yeah. How can I get the most chilled out? Or watching The Meg, right? Okay.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
There are two types of fires. There's inside the capsule where the humans are, and then there's somewhere else on the sub.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And I did have that happen at the Tonga Trench, the previously, you know, second deepest place on planet Earth. And it happened at the bottom. And one of the batteries, one of the big batteries, a lot of power, had a saltwater ingress and it had a massive short. And it was just dumping power out. And it started melting the sub, parts of it. Oh, melting the sub.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, it was burning through the electronics and burning through. And the worry there is if it went uncontrolled, you know, maybe it would go to the other batteries. You know, I could have a meltdown. And then that could potentially jeopardize, you know, the buoyancy. Now, there were contingencies for that. I never felt fearful for my life.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It was definitely stressful, but I didn't fear for my life because I could have jettisoned the batteries. I see. I could have, you know, just like in Star Trek, you know, drop the warp core. Right. You know, I could have done that, but that would have been really expensive. And I would not have enjoyed that. And I would have gone up like a rocket.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah. But trust me, when you're down, you know, four hours from the surface and you're alone in the two-person submersible at the second deepest place in the ocean and it's really quiet and you're, you know, you're doing your mission and then literally all at once. beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, red flashing lights, this and that, just out of nowhere. That gets your heart rate up.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I mean, there's a classic example of that. A guy named Doug Hanson, who is a postal worker from, I believe, Seattle, he climbed in the infamous Into Thin Air incident with Rob Hall. And it was his third attempt to climb Everest. And on his third attempt, Rob Hall, the great guide from New Zealand, got him to the summit. But evidently it took everything that Doug had.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And you're like, what the hell? And then, you know, just like being a pilot, that's why pilot training is so, so great. It's like, what's the master caution thing happening? What's driving everything else that's going wrong? And I really quickly zeroed in. One of the batteries just... not good. And so I just went through the procedures that I was trained to do and that we had analyzed as a team.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It's like, okay, isolate the electrical problem. And you turn everything off that you can, hoping that that isolates the circuit. And that's what I did. And it did isolate that battery. That battery melted down, but it didn't cascade into the other ones because I shut off its communication with the other ones.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
There was no way for the overvoltage to jump to the other batteries or more importantly, to jump into the capsule. Because the internal batteries were feeding off the out ones. And so the issue is I had to close that door. If an electrical fire had gotten into the pressure capsule, there are ways to mitigate that. It would have been a terrible day.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But I would have gone on to an emergency air breathing apparatus. I would have gotten what they use in mining complexes. These are artificial oxygen generators. I would have put on a smoke hood. I would have turned off everything in the sub. If I did that, all the weights would have automatically dropped because they were magnetically held and I would have started an ascent.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Now, it would have been a terrible four hours to the surface, you know, breathing in that situation, knowing that there's noxious fumes outside, but I'm on this, you know, regulator. But yeah, I would have gotten to the surface and then they would have opened the hatch and I would have been okay. It would have been not a great day, but happy to survive.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, even if I had gone completely unconscious, the submarine, if I had not pressed a certain button every 15 minutes, a dead man switch, it would have released the weights and come up.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It would give a definite audible beep before it did that. That makes sense. So there's a lot of fail-safe mechanisms. I mean, the design language I gave the designers was, I need the laws of physics to be violated for me not to come home alive. And they said, okay. And, you know, that's going to cost you.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I know, but I think it's worth it. They did it in a way that it wasn't prohibitively expensive. It's just smart engineering. That is a good idea. You know, a good example is magnetic locks for the weights. They weren't mechanical locks for the weights. They were magnetic. So if the electrical power failed, they have to. Laws of physics say they weren't held by anything else.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
So they couldn't get stuck or something. And then there were the issue of entanglement. That's what made the Titanic dive so dangerous is all the cables.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And the currents were really strong. And the really frightening thing to a sub-pilot, because you can't really see that well, is the propellers getting stuck in a rope or a cable that's attached to a rack.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You can't go outside and entangle it. So it was designed where... you could throw a switch and it would burn through the attachment bolt for things that are most likely to get entangled. So I could have dropped my propellers, but my life literally would come down to that one switch working. So you don't want to go there.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But if you did, at least that might help.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And he collapsed on the way down and he died. And so did Rob, his guide, who was trying to get him down. So you don't just endanger yourself. You endanger other people when you're up there and... the aptly named death zone. And it's not just an hyperbolic description. I mean, you literally, if you did nothing and stayed above that altitude, you would die.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It's funny. Yeah. There are people that are in line to go on a submarine adventure. And then there are people saying, I will never step inside that thing.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, we brought rocks back. We are taking film of the areas. And don't forget, wherever we went, no human had ever been to the vast majority of these places. So we always found new species. We found new geologic features. We found colonies of algae where there was no sunlight. I mean... But how does that work? Well, there wasn't algae, technically.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I know a lot of the marine biologists out there will scream at me. But there were colonies of bacteria that were living on rocks at 11,000 meters.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, they're feeding off the minerals and the methane coming out of the rocks and out of the fissures. And it's a different form of life. Yeah. So that's why I keep telling you, you know, if we find life on other planets... it will be more like what we saw in the deep ocean trenches. That makes sense. Than what we saw up on land, because that's what most of the world is. Yeah.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
There's water, same out in the solar system or in the galaxies. It's going to be more like that.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, absolutely.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, just on that expedition, and it's almost like, I'm not even sure how many. How do you define a new species?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
If you count microbes, God knows how many we found. We could have found thousands. And it wasn't just we were going to places no one had been before. These were isolated places. The deep ocean trenches, most of them are not connected to each other. So if a creature goes down there or it evolved down there, it's not growing with other species or interacting like they do on land.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
They're developing genetically completely independently of each other.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Correct. And so therefore you get very different genetic pathways. And that's why it was so cool to go all these different. We never knew what we were going to find.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
There's no light. When you go below 6,000 meters, photons can't penetrate. Oh, I didn't know that. It is the absolute blackest black that exists. When you look out of the portal of a submarine below 6,000 meters, you go, well, yeah, how many subs can go below 6,000 meters? Four? So... It was really strange for me because I did a lot. I did a lot of dives below 6,000 meters, which also is unusual.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But I would stick my head, you know, right next to the glass or plexiglass looking out and getting out all the other ambient light. And, you know, it was weird in your head. You could focus on nothing. And it was like instant vertigo in a way.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It's like, you know, when you dive scuba, the deeper you go, the darker it gets. When you take it to the extreme, it's like an individual photon out of the trillions that hit the planet. Not a single one gets below 6,000 meters. Wow.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You simply cannot get enough oxygen to survive unless you're a freak of nature. But yeah, so it's a very serious place, Everest, but it does teach you a lot about risk management. It took me two tries.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I would say the deepest part of the ocean is 11,000 meters, which is about 35,000 feet. So yeah. So if you're flying in a commercial aircraft looking down, that's similar to what the depth of the ocean is. Are there? But it is deeper than Mount Everest is high. You could fit Mount Everest easily in the Challenger Deep. Oh, I didn't realize that. With tons of space to spare.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, but what's funny is that actually it would take seven seconds. for a single transmission to go from the ship to the bottom of the ocean and then seven seconds back.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
So it's actually faster to talk to someone on the moon with radio than it is to talk to someone at the bottom of the ocean. Wow. I assume that you have to create special gear that could communicate that need? Well, no, we didn't create it. We adapted some very specialized equipment, pseudo-military, that was tailored for us by the wonderful people at L3 Harris. And it worked to our amazement.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It was faint. But we could talk to each other with simple words, but we could also text. And that was really helpful.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I learned in the Navy that the most important piece of equipment on any ship is a damn good coffee machine. Yeah. So we actually had two. And I told the captain, I said, I literally said, I said, spare no expense. Make it the best damn machine. and reliable coffee, because I know they're just brutalized.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And sure enough, those things, after a couple of expeditions, it's like, how are you breaking them? And yet they're just used constantly.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah. And God knows what I was doing. You know, they never really complained hard to me because I was writing the checks. So what could they really do? But I knew a couple of times when I came up, you know, I bumped the sub against a rock or something and they'd have to replace a thruster. It's like, you guys, it's the cost of doing business, what we're doing.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
We're operating on the jagged edge out there. So let's all cut each other a little bit of slack while also still being mindful and not wasteful because this is all real dollars directly coming out of my pocket. They were all cool about that. Where's the sub now? After four years of intensive diving it and four years of development, so after eight years,
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Operating a deep ocean submersible is ruinously expensive.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I am not a billionaire, but I was able to sell it to the wonderful Gabe Newell, who founded the Steam Gaming Network. Oh, yeah. That Gabe Newell. He is... multi-billionaire and is really committed to ocean science. It's just something he's passionate about. And I said, hey, it would be great if you would purchase this and continue to fund it to do nothing but 100% science. And he did.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
So the submersible and the ship are operating in the Pacific as we speak, doing hardcore, intensive marine research. That's cool. With the exact same team, pretty much, that I had. That's pretty amazing. That's what I wanted to have happen for. It was like I was a foster dad, you know, and I wanted to go to a permanent family. And it all worked out great. But I'm more of a technology developer.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That's kind of what I do in VC. And I like piloting new things. I like being a test pilot. I'm not a marine scientist. I dabble in it, but I like being the test pilot. So, yeah, what am I doing now? I'm designing a mapping ship and I'm doing long-term planning for a design of a new submersible that's going to be even more advanced.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
than the one I dove in that will correct many of the issues that I had on that one. And there weren't that many, but, you know, technology moves forward and there's some really cool stuff we could do with the next one.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, the Russians definitely are looking at that. I mean, there's more than enough going on the internet. Not all of them are fake or wrong. But no, there is a concern in a general conflict situation. Undersea cables that carry most of the world's internet traffic are completely vulnerable. Right. and repairing them is very, very difficult.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You have to understand the context. You're getting in the death zone of Everest. That is not down here in Saratoga, California, where you're talking normal conversation. It is like a war zone up there. You can barely keep your own faculties focused there. In fact, I didn't recognize one of my own mountain guides for a minute or two when I was up there.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That's something, quite frankly, I could have done as a private individual. In fact, I told the U.S. Navy, I told other people, I said, okay, if I can do this, anybody can do it. A Navy can do it, yeah. I could, in my private submersible, go down and get any number of submarine cables that are carrying the vast majority of the world's traffic and mess with it. Do explosives work down there? Yeah.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
They do? They do. You don't need explosives. You just need to move it five inches off the thing, yeah. I had a manipulator arm.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I could have messed with it pretty bad. You'd just put a different attachment on the end? Yeah.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, we actually had to move the ship and the sub through the Bab el-Mandeb, which is just off the coast of Yemen.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
So we actually, in the Red Sea, we had to board a special operations team with weapons, barbed wire. to make sure that we were not boarded because that would have been a really nice prize for summoning a ransom. So we ended up going with a convoy, military escort, and nothing ever happened. But yeah, you have to prepare for those things. They told me, you don't want to be on the ship.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And I went, okay. It was minimum manning. It would have been hard to take over that ship.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
They actually asked me, what were the rules of engagement there? I said, you're in international waters. They try and board you. You do whatever you have to do.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But you do not let them get on the ship. They went, okay.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
At the end of the day, the captains, but they were worried about, well, what if there's risk of damage to the submarine? They were polite to ask me, but then they, you're right. the officer in charge on the scene has absolute discretion. And I gave him that discretion. Actually, it raises an interesting point.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
One of the things that I did on my expedition was I told my captain and my expedition leader independently that either one of them could overrule me at any time. particularly if it's a weather or a safety issue. I couldn't pull out the checkbook card and say, hey, I'm paying for it. You do what I say. You work for me. I said, that's never going to happen.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You actually have the authority to tell me to back off and no, we're not doing it today.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah. And I wanted that. That was important. And I, you know, of course I never pulled that card and yeah, absolutely. And we never disagreed either. We always came to a good consensual decision, but there are instances, whether it's on mountain expeditions or any number of other things where people play that card and they get killed.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Never, ever get into any vehicle where the pilot is more afraid of failure than dying.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah. You never want that.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You don't want to be next to them. And that's what happened at Titanic.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, they probably would have done it hypothermia first.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, there was some ugly stuff that came out of that, which is I'll never begrudge anyone doing anything that they want if it's their money and it's not hurting anybody. And they weren't. They took their own risk with the exception of the 18-year-old young man. And that was just a tragedy that he died. He didn't know the risk he was taking.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You're completely hypoxic, almost always sick. You haven't eaten near enough. Your body can't even process enough food. So just put yourself in that entire context, and you're lucky that you can keep one foot going after another uphill and not fall over, much less be worried about the person right next to you. You are literally just trying to survive.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
But yeah, there's just this really strong undercurrent of rich people get what they deserve kind of thing. And it's just, it strikes me as kind of ugly. I mean, I'm sure people say horrible things about me, about what I do, but It doesn't really matter, but there's always going to be negative stuff. You're never going to make everybody happy. You're never going to be popular with everybody.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I just do what I do. I enjoy exploration. I enjoy pushing technological boundaries. Yeah, I like doing it myself, but I like putting myself on the pointy end of the spear, and I don't leave it to other people. If someone's going to take a risk with a multimillion-dollar piece of equipment that I commissioned, yeah. I want to be at the control.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Jared Isaacman, the guy that just walked in space, you know, he's a pilot, started companies, and, you know, he paid tens of millions of dollars to do this mission with SpaceX. I don't regret him at all. I think he's a hero. He's putting himself out there, and I respect that.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I think I'm cursed with just an insatiable curiosity. I just am so curious about swimming during these. So like I mentioned earlier, I'm working on the design of... A ship that hopefully will be able to map the seafloor far more efficiently than anything that's ever existed before. That'll take a couple of years. What I do often takes three, four, five years to actually reach fruition.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You only hear about it when it's actually doing something, but you don't see all the work that goes into it, right? The so-called overnight success story that takes 10, 20 years. There's that. I'm doing long-term planning on the design and development of a next-generation submersible. That'll take five years. I'm CEO of a biotechnology company.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
We're trying to cure some incurable diseases using synthetic biology. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I won't go too much into detail now because we're in stealth mode, but that's a fascinating area I didn't know much about. I'm getting to learn about it, but also put it into practice. And I'm doing all the things I'm doing in venture capital.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I get to support companies that I think are really on the bleeding edge and are pushing boundaries like Astroforge or Colossal Biosciences, which is trying to resurrect the woolly mammoth.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, Ben's a great friend. They were both in Dallas. And that's the most rewarding thing about, you know, having some net worth is where I am. You know, what else am I going to do with my money? You know, I don't have a big yacht. I have research vessels, right?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And if I'm going to spend money, I'm not going to spend it on a $10 million birthday party. I'm going to spend it funding some people that are trying to move the needle forward on technology. That, I think, is the way to spend wealth. Yeah. And cars.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, no, I hope I don't. I hope that I'm smart enough on my investing side that I try to spend it all. Tried and failed to spend all this money. I try to spend all the money on all these different things, but hopefully... I have good teams and the technology is interesting enough that, wow, they actually work and now they're worth more money.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You want to be on that treadmill where you're actually trying to spend your way to zero by the time you die, but you're spending it not on pure consumption, but on true consumption. not politically camouflaged investment, but true investment. And those investments yield very profitable results, but they're profitable because they have moved the technology forward and they create real value.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That's what I'm all about. If I have a religion, that's it. It's what can we do to advance technology? Because I believe more than any other thing in history, it's technological advancement that has alleviated more human suffering than anything else.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Imagine being like in a foxhole with gunfire going off. It's different, but it's not, you know, mentally, it's kind of like that.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Be it politics, even religion. No. Technology has cured diseases, fed us, kept us warm, have done all these things for 8 billion people on the planet. And we've got to keep that technological machine moving forward. Which we are. I'm an optimist. Yeah. It sounds like it. Yeah. I'm not one of these, God, I can't stand how many dystopian movies and novels.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Look at the ratio of how many dystopian TV series and movies you have versus purely optimistic ones. I don't even know if there is a ratio because there are like none that are really optimistic about, wow, is our world going to be great in 10 years? And it kind of is. We live in one of the most extraordinary, wonderful times in human history. People don't believe me, but look back in history.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It's one of the most peaceful, most amazing times in human history. We have in our pockets a device that gives us access to the sum of all human knowledge. We can talk to someone on the other side of the globe almost instantaneously. It's extraordinary. And so I believe that We do live in an optimistic age.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And I don't understand why people have these incredibly dystopian urges or think that the world's going to, okay, yeah, there's climate change. But, you know, it seems like every decade or two, there is a new calamity that's going to destroy us. In the 70s, it was the population bomb. Oh, yeah. Right, by Ehrlichman, right? We're going to overpopulate the world and we're all going to die.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And then it was in the 80s, I remember, oh, we're all going to die by nuclear war. You know, Reagan is going to start a nuclear war with the Russians. Oh, God, we're all going to die. And then it was Y2K. Okay, all the lights are going to go off, right? And they're going to be burning cities. People said that and believed it. All the survivalists went crazy.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Okay, well then that, and then it was global warming. It was like, oh my gosh, then that's how, and yeah, there looked to be like strong indications that we are affecting the climate. But then they had to change it to climate change. Now, why was that? Because things weren't going quite exactly as they said.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And it's just, it really is unusual where every 10 to 15 years, there is a new thing and it is going to kill us all. And it's almost like there's this 10% of the population that actually want to believe. They kind of want it to happen.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
No, it is not that. If you make one wrong move, if you do not clip your rope into that fixed line and you have a bad moment, there's no question you're gone in silence. Wow.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And I'm part of that other 10% that's like saying, yes, there will probably be damage. Bad things will happen. But you know, gosh, humans are really resilient. Yeah, it's true. And we come up with ways to mitigate those dangers. My prediction, I think like in 2030 or 2024, the asteroids are going to kill us. Yeah, sure, sure. The ones we're mining. Right, one's coming.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
No, no, the ones we're mining aren't going to hit us.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That is very possible. We already had one, you know, potential, you know. Could have been way worse. Initial warning in the next one might be. Who knows? So it'll be something. Thank you so much for coming on the show, man.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
No way. Yeah.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
That is, yeah. And you would risk people's lives, no question, by retrieving bodies. And how do you even bring them down, for God's sake?
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Not really. And yes, people go, oh, helicopters have gotten to some rivers. Yes, but also I fly helicopters. I don't think people understand when you're at that altitude, there is so little air, it would take the slightest gust or loss of control and that helicopter would crash. That's why helicopters crash at high altitude so often is because there's just not a lot for them to bite into.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
So your control over the glider, even though it looks like it's fine, it's really tricky to fly a helicopter at high altitude, especially when there's winds. And Everest is exactly that. So yes, you can get helicopters on the Everest, but it is very dangerous flying. And you certainly can't be picking stuff up and, you know, just because... Right.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Not quite realistic. No, it doesn't work that way.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I know you are as well, but you said yesterday we had the first commercial spacewalk.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, yeah. And it came right on the back of SpaceX, you know, rescuing the two astronauts from the Boeing Starliner. So it's kind of like they spiked the ball yesterday. It's good old SpaceX. But I went up on Blue Origin. which is also a great organization, and they got me into space, and hopefully one day I'll get to go into orbit with them on their next rocket, the New Glenn.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Someone associated with me said that. I actually believe they're equally important.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Heck, I'm an venture investor in a company called Astroforge here in California, and we're actually trying to explore and eventually mine asteroids. I mean, all sorts of things. I mean, I'm really big into both space exploration and marine exploration. I truly believe you need to do both.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Let's say the cone of uncertainty is really why. There are so many things that you have to do well in order to mine an asteroid. I believe it is a function of time. Otherwise, why would I have invested? Right. But the issue is first you have to find the asteroids that are very dense with valuable metals. That in itself is a trick. Yeah. Then you actually have to do the orbital mechanics and...
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
mechanics of actually landing on an asteroid that's tumbling in space. Actually getting the material off the asteroid and getting it back to Earth, that's probably the easiest of those complex problems. But you have to do all of them. But it will happen in time. And you just, like you did with the Mercury missions, the Gemini missions, and then Apollo, in space exploration, you just build...
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
on what you did before. Slowly, methodically, carefully, and you keep building the skills and the machinery needed to do the next step. Because there are so many unknowns in space exploration and ocean exploration that you're constantly kind of
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
you know, shining a small flashlight into a very dark room, hoping you don't fall into a pit, and you slowly learn how to navigate your way in these complex environments.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Well, there are a lot of platinum group metals, iridium, rhodium, platinum, hopefully other metals, but they're very dense. That's the wonderful thing about asteroids. It's not like you're separating... 99 tons of dirt from one ton of valuable stuff. It's very concentrated, which makes it much easier and much more valuable. But you can look at the magnetic signature of a rock.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
You can look how it's actually moving in space. You can shoot a high-powered laser at it and see what ablates off and then do a mass spectrometry of the wavelength of light that it gets. I mean, there's all sorts of nerdy stuff you can do.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Yeah, of course.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
It depends on the asteroid. Yeah, there's some silly numbers out there. We're going for much, much smaller asteroids that are actually in the near Earth-Moon orbit. So they're actually relatively close. We're not going out to Jupiter or anything like that. That's not cost effective at this point. But no, there's enough out there.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And really what it's about is so much what happens in venture capital. It's not so much, you know, getting the metal and bringing it back and selling it. It's building the tech that can do that. That's what's valuable. If you can bring back even a pound of platinum from an asteroid for the first time, you know, maybe it's worth, you know, X. Right. That's not what's valuable.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
What's valuable is that you bloody did it. And from there, where do you go? Then you can do it again and again and get further out in the space and all this stuff. That's what venture is all about. It's not about the actual product so much.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Or people look at Google Maps and they think they can see the seafloor. That's a very, very rough map. That's like doing an interstate highway map of the U.S. with crayon. It's not that accurate. But the actual stat is 71% of planet Earth is ocean. In fact, a stat that shocks people is that the average place on planet Earth is 4,000 meters underwater.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
This is more of an ocean world than it is a land world. And most of it is deep ocean at 5,000 meters. So if you take the average, the average place on planet Earth is 4,000 meters underwater, which is like 15,000 feet. That's where most of the world is. So the point is, 71% of the Earth is ocean, and of that, 75% is completely underwater.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Completely unexplored, which means half of planet Earth is still completely unexplored. And that's why I'm very passionate about ocean exploration because I love maps and I'm doing a lot of different projects to map the deep ocean and all that. But yeah, I mean, we know in many respects more about the surface of Mars and the moon than we do of our own planet.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
And it's because the ocean is really deep and it's opaque. Right. You can't just shine a light, and radar doesn't work.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Even the best military submarines that are designed for depth, maybe their maximum depth is 700 or 800 meters. The average depth of the ocean is about 5,000 meters. So they just scrape the surface. They're just getting underwater. But most of the ocean is really deep. And where I went, the deep ocean trenches, they're even twice that deep. And those are really hard to get to. We know nothing.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Oh, here's another stat that'll blow your mind when it comes to ocean exploration. Because everybody's obsessed with climate change and climate models. I think one reason a lot of climate models often miss the mark is the fact that, again, 71% of the world is ocean. The deep ocean trenches are only like 2% or 3% of the ocean, but they hold 40% of the water.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
When people talk about, oh, wow, the ocean is holding more heat than we thought it could, or why are the currents so unpredictable? Well, it's because we never go there. It's been impossible to go there. So they kind of just guessed or had theories about how this works.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
Like, for example, when I went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench the first time, I was told there would be no current because it's just too deep, right? There's no energy can get down there. Sure enough, I got to the bottom, turned all my thrusters off. I just sat in the sub right off the surface. And what happened? I started drifting.
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1089: Victor Vescovo | Into the Abyss: Reaching Earth's Deepest Places
I came up, told my scientists, and they're like, no, you didn't. No, I know what I saw. You can look at the video. There was a current, but that was a big deal because, wow, if there's a current there, that means the water's moving, which means it's circulating. So if water is circulating in the deepest trench on earth, what is the actual impact on climate models for the ocean?
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
With slow fade.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I know. And you're out of sync.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The Friendship Reset.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
What I love about the friendship reset is that it acknowledges that friendships do change. It's not about clinging to the past or forcing something that's no longer working. It's about understanding the natural evolution and learning how to adapt and reconnect.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Me too. I think there's so much to unpack when it comes to human connection and personal development. I really do. Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right. Or they're just busy.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, I love that.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I think it's brilliant. You know, instead of focusing on what the other person is doing or not doing, it's about taking ownership and becoming an active participant in the relationship.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Ooh, the friendship audit. I love this.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I have. I have. It's so insightful. You know, it involved taking a close look at your friendships and asking some honest questions. Do these relationships energize you or drain you? Is there mutual support and reciprocity? Like, are you both putting in the effort?
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, I think that's especially true with longstanding friendships. Like we assume that just because we've known someone for a long time that the connection is automatically strong. But friendships, like all relationships, require attention and care.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I think the key is to approach it with curiosity and honesty. You know, it's not about judging your friends or feeling guilty about your own behavior. It's about deigning clarity on the state of your connections and identifying areas where you might want to invest more energy.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. Yeah, a checkup where you assess the overall health of the friendship and identify any potential areas for improvement.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
See you in a sec.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, and it's a two-way street too. Like, do you feel like you're putting in more effort than you're receiving?
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. And that's where the next tool comes in this.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Vulnerability scripts.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
They're essentially conversation starters that help you initiate those deeper, more meaningful conversations with your friends.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, absolutely. And, you know, I think a lot of it is we have this idea in our heads of like this idealized version of what friendship should look like, you know, constant communication, shared interests, effortless support. And the reality is it's usually so much messier.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And they can be so helpful in bridging that gap between surface level chitchat and true intimacy.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Sure. So one example is, I've been missing you lately. Can we find some time to connect one-on-one? Or you could say, I've been feeling a bit disconnected from our friendship. Would you be open to talking about it?
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It's about expressing your feelings and needs without placing blame or judgment.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's the goal of this. Let me step right to empower ourselves to take action and rebuild those connections that matter to us.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And it's remembering that true friendships are built on that foundation of vulnerability and trust. When we're willing to open up and share our authentic selves, we create the space for that profound connection and growth.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
No, it doesn't. It also includes what are called accountability actions.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, it's all about putting those intentions into practice and actively nurturing those friendships.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So one really simple but effective strategy is to schedule regular friendship check-ins.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. Put it on the calendar quarterly.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Just like you would a work meeting just with a friend.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It's about prioritizing those relationships and making them a non-negotiable part of your life. And, you know, these check ins don't have to be these elaborate things. It could be a quick phone call, a video chat, grabbing coffee together.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. Absolutely. And another accountability action that I find really helpful is the five minute rule.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's so simple, but it can make a huge difference. So basically you dedicate just five minutes each week to reaching out to a friend. And it could be sending a quick verse note, a funny meme, a text message, even just a heart emoji, just something to say, hey, I'm thinking of you.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. It's all about showing your friends that you're thinking of them, even when you're busy. And it doesn't have to be this grand gesture. It's the consistency that matters.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We'll be right back.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's so nice to hear. It just goes to show it's never too late to rebuild a connection.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It can be. And then there's that fear of vulnerability. Like, how much do we share? What if we get hurt? What if the friendship changes? All of those questions can really hold us back.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It does.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Checklists are great.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So this checklist encourages you to reflect on the depth of your connections and identify areas where you might want to be more open and authentic.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So some questions on there are, what's one thing I've never shared with this friend? Or when did I last express gratitude for this friend?
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. And it reminds us that true intimacy is built on shared experiences, vulnerability, and the willingness to be seen for who we truly are.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right. And that's why the Friendship Reset also includes the Hard Conversation Template.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It can be.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
But this template provides a framework for approaching those conversations with respect, empathy, and a desire for resolution.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It's about communicating your needs and boundaries in a healthy and assertive way while also being open to hearing the other person's perspective.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. Because true friendships can weather storms and sometimes those difficult conversations are what allow us to emerge stronger and more connected on the other side.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We have.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It is. And what I find so empowering about this framework is that it reminds us that we have agency in our relationships. We don't have to be passive bystanders. We can actively shape our connections and create the kind of friendships that we want in our lives.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's about recognizing that we have the power to initiate connection, vulnerability, and growth in our friendships.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right, like sending that text, scheduling that coffee day, or simply expressing gratitude for the people who enrich our lives.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We have a ton of resources available on our website to support you on your friendship journey.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, we have a downloadable Friendship Reset workbook with all the tools we discussed today as well as a list of all the amazing books that inspired this episode.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Sounds good.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, my gosh. Yes. The whole friendship goals phenomenon can be so toxic.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It sets these unrealistic expectations and makes us feel so inadequate when our real life friendships inevitably fall short.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And you're less likely to talk about the challenges that you're having.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Because you don't want to look like you're doing it wrong.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It does.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It encourages us to let go of those unrealistic expectations and instead focus on building authentic connections based on mutual respect, shared experiences, and yes, even a little bit of conflict.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It is. It's about approaching those disagreements with curiosity and a willingness to understand the other person's perspective and recognizing that even the strongest friendships can weather storms.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Mel's story is so powerful and it's a reminder that it's never too late to reconnect, to rebuild and to reignite those friendships that matter to us.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We can't wait to hear about your transformations and the incredible friendships you're building.
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S2 EP5 | Creating Unshakeable Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And remember, true friendships are worth the effort.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Well, think about those early days of a friendship. You know, you have those shared routines, inside jokes, constant contact. You know, you're always hanging out. All of that, it actually wires our brains for connection. You know, it's almost like you're on friendship autopilot.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. So it has to do with these things called mirror neurons. And when we engage in, you know, these shared routines and experiences, our brains release those neurons and it creates the sense of effortless connection. Like we're literally on the same wavelength.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. And then on top of that, research shows that stress like literally shrinks our social bandwidth. Like our brains are literally prioritizing survival over socializing. So it's not that we stop caring. It's just that our capacity for maintaining those friendships like decreases.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. Wow. That is a really big number.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I mean, it is true, though, like those big life changes, new jobs, moves, relationships, kids, that kind of stuff. It really shakes things up. It's like we lose the shared language of that friendship almost.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Let Them Power Move. You know, at first it sounds a little passive, like doesn't that just let people kind of walk all over us?
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
OK, so that makes sense. But how does this like letting go actually look in practice? Right. Like say in a friendship where one person is just constantly negative or like what if there's just like a big geographical distance?
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See you in a sec.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
In those situations, letting go might look like setting boundaries with, you know, like you said, the friend who's super negative or accepting that, you know, distance will naturally change the dynamic of a friendship.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. Okay.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It starts with an honest assessment, like which friendships bring us joy versus which ones feel more like an obligation. Yeah. You know, like do you both invest equally? And once you've identified those friendships you want to rekindle, even if it feels awkward or vulnerable, reach out.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You'd be surprised how often the other person is feeling the same way.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Wow.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh wow.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's so common.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Totally. Like that five minute rule. Right. Sending little frequent touches like a funny meme or like a quick voice note.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I think we can all relate to that feeling. You know when you're scrolling through your phone and you see that old group chat and you haven't talked to those people in forever? Yeah. It's like a pang of guilt, sadness. A weird feeling. Yeah. It's like those friendships were so alive once and now it's just crickets.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes, we do. And there's actually a great three-step process for what we call a friendship reset.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And it's a really tangible way to approach this often overwhelming aspect of adult life. So are you ready for the reset?
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. All right, so step one is all about getting real with yourself. You know what I mean? It's taking stock. We're going to map our friendships into those three buckets we've been talking about, the keep, release, and the rebuild. And this takes, like, some real...
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
honesty you know yeah which relationships bring you joy which ones feel draining or like one-sided you know yeah and which ones have maybe faded but you feel like oh there's something there you know some potential yeah so you put that in the rebuild bucket i love that a quick rate for our sponsor and we'll be right back we'll be right back
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Okay, so step two is where we take action. You know, we're not just going to sit around thinking about it. We're going to commit to one intentional reach out per week to a friend in that rebuild bucket. Okay. And it can be anything. It could be a text, a phone call, you know, a coffee date, a walk in the park, whatever. Just one little step to rekindle that connection.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Okay. So step three can be the most challenging, but also the most freeing. This is where we're going to try a release exercise for those friendships that are no longer serving us. Okay. And one of the best ways to do that is to write what's called an unsent goodbye letter.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes. It can be so powerful for processing any grief or any lingering feelings.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's just for you. It's a safe space to acknowledge the good times, to maybe express any hurt or disappointment you might be holding onto, and to say goodbye to the friendship. You can process any unresolved feelings, forgive yourself or the other person, and create a sense of closure. And remember, letting go doesn't mean that the friendship wasn't valuable.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You know, it's just acknowledging that, you know, like we said, seasons change, friendships evolve. Sometimes letting go is the kindest thing you can do for yourself.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And so curious, like why does this happen to like literally everyone and what can we actually do about it? Yeah. So I'm excited to dive into that today.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. So as we wrap up this deep dive, I want to leave everyone with this question.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
if friendships are like seasons what season are you in right now and what kind of connections are you ready to cultivate that's such a good question yeah think about it you know maybe pick one faded friendship that you'd like to reconnect with and ask yourself what's one small step i can take this week to reach out
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It could be a text, a phone call, or even just making a mental note to send a quick hello. And you know what? Do it. Take that action. Because you never know what amazing things might happen when you open yourself up to the possibility of reconnection.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. Every friendship, no matter how long it lasts, it leaves its mark on our hearts. And that's something worth celebrating.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You can find all sorts of bonus content there, like our friendship detox meditation and our downloadable friendship audit worksheet.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Plus a full list of all the awesome books we've covered in this deep dive.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Until next time, keep those connections strong. And remember, you are not alone on this crazy ride we call life.
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S2 EP4 | The Truth About Adult Friendships | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Sounds good.
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What did she say?
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Wow.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
She did. Wow. She quit her job. Good for her. Took the leap into freelancing. And within a year, she tripled her income.
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Totally.
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I know. It's amazing.
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I love that.
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Me too.
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It is.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We do.
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It's scary, but we can do it.
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Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I think the most important thing to remember is this. Fairness is a mirror.
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It's a good one.
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It reflects back to us the areas where we might be abandoning ourselves.
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Where we're settling for less than we deserve or silencing our own needs. When we feel that pang of unfairness, it's a signal to check in with ourselves and ask, am I honoring myself in this situation? Am I speaking up for what I need and deserve?
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Oh, yeah. I've been there.
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Yes.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You're kidding.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You nailed it.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's a journey.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Not a destination. There will always be situations in life that feel unfair.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
But with the let them plus let me framework, you have a tool to navigate those challenges.
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With grace, resilience, and a healthy dose of self-respect.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, no.
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Oh.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You don't.
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That's right.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Totally.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Just so many good books.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I feel that.
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We love doing it.
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It is.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So true.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We can.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's true.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
See you next time.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Keep it messy.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's it.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's tough in the moment.
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Oh, I bet. Yeah, I can only imagine.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. I mean, who wants to pay that price?
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Right.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Okay.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, tell me.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Season 2.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Uh-huh.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Sounds good.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's powerful, isn't it?
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
When you realize that, you know you have the power.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It is.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's true.
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Oh, definitely not. I think there's like a biological reason why we react so strongly to unfairness.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So from an evolutionary standpoint, fairness was essential for survival within our early human communities.
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Think about it.
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If resources were unfairly distributed, it could literally mean life or death for some members of the group.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Episode two.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Basically.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I know.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, it's a gut punch for sure.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And so when we sense unfairness, our amygdala, which is the part of our brain responsible for threat detection, gets activated. It's like our internal alarm system going off.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We're tackling a truth.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So our brain is basically freaking out.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Like we're back in the prehistoric jungle.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That can be tough to swallow.
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But what does that actually feel like? I mean, how does this amygdala hijack? Yeah. As I've heard it called.
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Actually manifest.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Okay.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, wow. So it can really feel that intense. It can. Even if it's just about, say, a coworker taking credit for your idea.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Life isn't fair. You know, it's interesting how this idea of fairness, or rather the lack of it, really gets under our skin.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Wow.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's a good question.
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Well, we can't always control the external circumstances or the actions of others.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We can absolutely learn to manage our own responses.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
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Instead of getting caught in that amygdala hijack.
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Yeah. Yeah. And letting it control us. Right. We can learn to engage our prefrontal cortex.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's it.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The part of our brain responsible for higher level thinking, decision making, and emotional regulation. Yeah.
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We do.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's where the let them plus let me framework comes in.
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It's a practical tool that can help you move from feeling stuck and resentful to taking purposeful action.
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Essentially, it's about accepting what you can't control and empowering yourself to focus on what you can.
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It's not just a minor annoyance when things don't go our way.
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That's it.
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It's a good one.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. So it's all about a two-part process.
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Acceptance.
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Then empowerment. Got it. The let them part is about detaching from the things we can't control.
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We have to accept that we can't force other people to be fair or change their behavior.
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See you in a sec.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It triggers something much deeper.
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Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It does.
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Yeah, you can't control other people.
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You just can't.
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Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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Your own choices. Yes.
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It is.
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Love it. That's the question, right?
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And that's exactly what we're unpacking today.
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Oh, I've been there.
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The let them might sound like let them take credit for this project. But then.
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Let me becomes.
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Let me start documenting my contributions more clearly.
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Or let me schedule a meeting with my boss to discuss my role on the project. Oh, I like that.
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Why does the idea of unfairness bother us so much? How does holding on to resentment... actually keep us stuck?
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
No, not at all.
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Protect yourself.
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I love that.
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Okay.
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Oh.
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I've been there too.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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Good for you.
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I like that.
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Especially friendships.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
For sure.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's like a script almost.
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Oh, yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, that's tough.
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And most importantly, what can we actually do about it?
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Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
For sure.
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I'm curious.
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Okay.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Good for her.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
What did she say?
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes, the big question.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Wow. It's very powerful.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's such a clear and powerful way to set a boundary.
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While still honoring her own needs.
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What happened?
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It worked.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Her sister was initially surprised.
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But it opened up a conversation that they desperately needed to have.
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They were finally able to discuss their expectations and come up with a more balanced plan for their parents' care. That's awesome. And it actually ended up strengthening their relationship.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's a perfect example of how this framework can create positive change.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Not just for yourself, but for your relationships too.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's not about controlling others or forcing them to change.
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I love that.
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It's good stuff.
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Ooh, I love a good framework.
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Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, that's the question.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's a great question.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And that's where a little self-reflection comes in handy. We call it the equity audit.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's a good one.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So it's a surprisingly simple exercise.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
But don't underestimate its power.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The first step is to carve out some time for yourself.
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grab a journal or a piece of paper and simply ask yourself, where am I tolerating inequality in my life? And don't just think about the big dramatic situations. Sometimes it's the smaller everyday things that can chip away at our sense of fairness over time.
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We do that. We normalize things.
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Exactly. Yeah. Maybe it's that friend who always cancels plans at the last minute or a family member who expects you to do all the emotional heavy lifting.
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Catchy.
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Or maybe it's something at work.
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Like constantly being asked to cover for others or being overlooked for opportunities.
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Once we've identified those areas.
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What's the next step?
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How do we start moving from awareness to action?
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We'll be right back.
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Okay. I'm into this.
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So, for example.
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No.
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You got it.
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You can.
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That's always good.
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There you go. Problem solved.
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It is.
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Yes.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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S2 EP2 | Life Isn’t Fair – And That’s Okay | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Ooh, another one.
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Love exercises.
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Resentment to Action.
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It's a good one.
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So it's all about taking that resentment, that feeling of it's not fair.
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And turning it into a catalyst for positive change.
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Step one is to identify a specific situation where you're feeling resentful. Get really clear about what's bothering you.
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At some point. Yeah, for sure.
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Write it down. Get it out of your head and onto paper.
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Perfect example.
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Now, step two is where we practice that let them acceptance.
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Say to yourself, let them blink.
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It really is.
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and fill in the blank with the specific action or behavior that's triggering you.
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In your case, it might be, let them take all the credit for this project.
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Exactly.
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Because it's the first step in letting go of that feeling of powerlessness.
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Oh, yeah.
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For the empowering part.
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Step three. Okay. Say, let me blank.
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And fill in the blank with an action step you can take.
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So it might be, let me document my contributions more clearly or let me schedule a meeting with my manager to discuss my role on this project.
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I know, right?
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It's powerful.
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It's like that resentment is being channeled into something productive.
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It is.
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For sure.
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Exactly.
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Oh, yeah.
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Exactly. And as we cultivate those moments of alignment, we start to build a life that feels more authentic and fulfilling.
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And what are those decisions, big or small, that you've been putting off out of fear or self-doubt? Maybe it's time to dust off those let them let me scripts and take a step towards your own authentic path.
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It's been my pleasure. I always enjoy these deep dives into the messy but beautiful world of personal growth.
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Sounds like a classic clash between what everyone else expects of her and what she truly needs.
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You'll find a wealth of information there, exercises, and inspiration to help you navigate your own unique path. We've got a whole library of books we've covered on these topics, journaling prompts, guided meditations, you name it.
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Until next time, keep embracing the mess, trust your gut, and choose yourself, even when it feels wrong.
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And that's where the real magic happens.
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Totally. And it's fascinating how our interests can often guide us towards our purpose. You know, it's like those activities that light us up often hold clues about who we truly are and what we're meant to do in the world.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely. The journey of self-discovery is rarely linear. There are twists and turns, detours and unexpected destinations along the way.
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First and foremost, be patient with yourself. Self-discovery is a process, not a destination. It takes time to unravel those layers and connect with your true self. Don't put pressure on yourself to have all the answers right away.
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Exactly. It's about embracing the messy middle, the ups and downs, the moments of clarity and the periods of confusion. It's all part of the process.
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It's amazing how a supportive community can make all the difference. Sometimes just having someone to talk to, someone who understands what you're going through can provide immense comfort and encouragement.
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I love that. It's so easy to get caught up in focusing on what we haven't accomplished yet, but it's equally important to acknowledge how far we've come.
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Yeah, it's wild. So there's this part of our brains called the amygdala, which is like our fear center. It's constantly scanning for threats. And when it senses something that could be dangerous, like judgment or disapproval from others, it freaks out. It's like our brain's alarm system is blaring, danger, danger.
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It's like offering yourself a warm hug when you need it most. We're often our own harshest critics, but it's so important to treat ourselves with the same kindness and understanding that we would offer a dear friend.
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It's been a joy to dive deep into these topics with you and our listeners. I hope this conversation has provided some valuable insights and inspiration for those who are on their own journeys of self-discovery.
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And be sure to connect with us on social media. We love hearing from our listeners and creating a supportive community for those who are embracing the messy but beautiful journey of personal growth.
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Because the right decision often feels like the wrong one until it sets you free.
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Totally. It's like a metaphor for that whole process of self-discovery. You know, it takes time, patience.
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Exactly.
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Yeah. Something that resonated with her on a deeper level.
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Oh, I'd say first things first. Be patient with yourself. The self-discovery thing. It's a journey, not a race.
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I know, right? But real growth takes time. Embrace the messiness, the ups and downs, all of it.
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Totally. Having a support system can make all the difference.
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I love that. Acknowledge how far you've come instead of always focusing on what's still ahead.
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Seriously. Treat yourself with the same compassion you'd give a friend going through the same thing.
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Me too. It's always great to talk about this stuff.
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We've got tons of resources there.
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And don't forget to connect with us on social media.
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We call this an amygdala hijack, and it can seriously cloud our judgment, even when we know deep down that we're making the right choice for ourselves.
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So until next time, keep embracing the mess, trust your gut, and choose yourself.
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Because sometimes the right decision feels like the wrong one.
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Oh, wow. Already.
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Exactly.
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Sounds good.
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Yeah, it's crazy, right? And to make matters worse, when we're constantly trying to please everyone else, it can actually suppress activity in our prefrontal cortex.
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It's basically the part of our brain that's responsible for like logical thinking, reasoning and planning. You know, all the good stuff.
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That's exactly what I'm saying. And honestly, I think we've all felt that pressure to say yes when every cell in our body is screaming no.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And you're not alone. There was this fascinating study published in Nature Human Behavior and it found that a whopping 68%. 68%. Yeah. Sixty eight percent of people prioritize others approval over their own needs. So it's incredibly common.
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It really is. And sometimes those consequences can be pretty serious. Let me tell you about a case study. I once worked with this nurse, super dedicated to her patients and her team, but she was pushing herself to the point of burnout. Her family was begging her to slow down, take a break. Yeah. But she felt like she couldn't let anyone down. She felt obligated to keep going.
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Very catchy.
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Yeah. And ultimately, the pressure she was putting on herself led to a panic attack at work. She had to take a leave of absence anyway.
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Totally. And that's why it's so important to find ways to break free from the cycle of people pleasing.
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It can be. But there's this powerful framework that can help us reclaim our agency. It's called the let them power move. And it's all about taking back control.
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So it's a two step process. The first step is let them let them let them disapprove. Let them guilt trip you. Let them call you selfish. Give yourself permission to release that guilt and just understand that not everyone is going to be happy with your choices.
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I know, right? But it's about shifting your perspective and realizing that you're not responsible for other people's reactions. You're only responsible for being true to yourself.
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That's where let me comes in.
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Exactly. Let yourself make the choices that feel right for you, even if they're not what everyone else wants. It's about using clear, assertive language to communicate your decisions.
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Exactly. It's all about shifting the language. You could say, I understand that this may be disappointing, but this is what I need to do for myself right now. Or I'm not asking permission. I'm sharing my decision. It's about setting those clear boundaries and honoring your own needs.
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Yeah. And you know, it's especially important for women because we're often conditioned to prioritize harmony.
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And avoid conflict.
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Exactly. But sometimes those difficult conversations are absolutely necessary for our own well-being. And, you know, speaking of taking lips of faith, I'm reminded of this former CEO who left this super toxic corporate environment to open a bakery. Everyone thought she was crazy, but she had this incredible let them think I'm crazy. Let me build my dream attitude.
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And she's incredibly successful now, living proof that sometimes those unconventional paths lead to the greatest fulfillment.
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Exactly. And that's what this whole conversation is about. Right. How can we start listening to that inner voice and making choices that feel right for us, even when they're scary or unconventional?
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So one powerful exercise is to start an intuition journal. It's super simple. Throughout the day, as you make decisions, big or small, pause and ask yourself, did I make this choice from a place of fear or from a place of freedom? Just noticing these patterns can be incredibly insightful.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's true. Intuition is often described as a whisper, a deep knowing that's not always easy to articulate. It might be a feeling in your gut, a sense of expansion or contraction, or even a recurring thought that pops up even though you're trying to ignore it.
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Oh, I totally get it. In those moments, I recommend the five-second rule crossover. You've probably heard of the five-second rule for dropped food, right?
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Well, this is different. When you feel that gut instinct to do something and anything count down from five, five, four, three, two, one, and then just do it, don't give your brain time to second guess you or talk you out of it.
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Yeah, all the time.
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Exactly. It's about acting on impulse before fear takes over.
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See you in a sec.
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Oh, absolutely. For those situations, I recommend something called the rescue audit.
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It's a powerful question. Ask yourself, am I staying in this situation because I genuinely want to help others or am I doing it to avoid judgment or guilt? It's about being brutally honest with yourself and understanding your motivations.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Exactly. Sometimes the kindest thing we can do for ourselves and the people around us is to set boundaries and prioritize our own well-being.
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love that analogy and it brings us back to this idea of self-betrayal right yeah so often when we're constantly people-pleasing the real case is that we end up living a life that's not truly our own yeah we silence our authentic selves trying to meet everyone else's expectations so it's like this if we keep ignoring those whispers of intuition and putting everyone else's needs ahead of our own we risk losing ourselves in the process
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It's like we're slowly shipping away at our own sense of identity and purpose.
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It's a journey, not a destination. It's not about becoming this perfectly assertive boundary setting machine overnight. It's about taking small steps, practicing those let them let me scripts and building that muscle of self-trust over time.
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It does. And remember, it's okay to make mistakes along the way.
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This isn't about perfection. It's about progress. Being willing to stumble, learn, and course correct as we go.
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Oh, I know that voice all too well. It can be so loud, right?
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But remember, it's just a voice. It doesn't define you. One of the best ways to combat that negative self-talk is to practice self-compassion. Treat yourself with the same kindness and understanding that you would offer a dear friend.
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It is.
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Totally. It's about shifting from self-criticism to self-support. And as we cultivate a more compassionate inner dialogue, we actually start to trust ourselves more deeply.
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Yeah.
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Exactly. And that's where the real magic happens. When we start living from a place of authenticity and self-trust, we open ourselves up to possibilities we never could have imagined.
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Exactly. And to pursue those dreams without fear of judgment or failure.
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Okay, I'm listening.
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I would say start small. Pick one decision, even a tiny one, and practice the let them power move. Notice what comes up for you, what fears arise, what limiting beliefs surface.
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
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Embrace the discomfort. It's a sign that you're stretching and expanding.
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Absolutely. We all need cheerleaders along the way. And remember, you are not alone in this journey. There are so many people who are navigating these same challenges and seeking to live more authentically.
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Me too. It's always a joy to dive deep into these messy but important aspects of personal growth.
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Oh, yeah. Well, that's where things get really interesting. A lot of people get stuck in that let them phase, you know.
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Exactly. But Mel, she fully embraced the let me. She took that leap of faith and started exploring her passion.
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Paws.
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Wow. That's quite a 180. What did her family think about that?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I can hear them saying it now.
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But Mel stood her ground.
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Good for her. She acknowledged their concerns, but she also made it clear that this was her decision, her life.
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It really is. And you know what's even more inspiring? She's thriving. Her bakery is a huge success, and she's happier than she's ever been.
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It's like that quiet voice inside is screaming, get me out of here.
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And that sometimes the scariest decisions lead to the most fulfilling outcomes.
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Trust your gut. That inner voice is there for a reason.
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We'll be right back.
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It might be quiet, but it's guiding you toward your authentic path. And remember, it's a process. Be kind to yourself along the way.
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Exactly. It's about surrounding yourself with people who believe in you and your dreams. And remember, you don't have to have all the answers right away. It's a journey of exploration and discovery.
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I love that. And speaking of extraordinary destinations, I'm curious to know more about Mel's bakery. What kind of treats does she bake?
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S2 EP1 | Why the Right Decision Feels Wrong | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Well, it turns out that Mel's bakery is known for its incredible sourdough bread.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S2 EP1 | Why the Right Decision Feels Wrong | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Really?
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S2 EP1 | Why the Right Decision Feels Wrong | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right. But apparently, Mel had always loved the process of making sourdough. She found it meditative and grounding.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S2 EP1 | Why the Right Decision Feels Wrong | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I love that connection. It's like she was baking her own transformation into each loaf of bread.
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S2 EP1 | Why the Right Decision Feels Wrong | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And that's what's so beautiful about this whole journey of self-discovery. It's not just about making big life altering decisions. It's also about finding those small everyday practices that bring us joy and connect us to our true selves.
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S2 EP1 | Why the Right Decision Feels Wrong | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Wow. Brave.
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S2 EP1 | Why the Right Decision Feels Wrong | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. And those small acts of self-care and self-expression can be just as transformative as any major life change.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Well, let's say, you know, you're about to have a difficult conversation with someone who tends to be emotionally reactive.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Before you go into that conversation, take a few moments to visualize yourself staying calm, centered, and grounded.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And you can even visualize a protective shield around you, deflecting any negativity that comes your way.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And the amazing thing about visualization is that our brains often can't distinguish between what's real and what's imagined.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's a great question. And that's where individual differences come into play. The intensity of our reactions, even to the same stressor, can vary wildly. Think of it like this. Some people have a hair trigger amygdala, while others have a more laid back security chief.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Precisely. It's like giving our subconscious mind a blueprint for how to navigate those challenging situations.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You know, another technique that can be really helpful is tapping, also known as EFT or emotional freedom technique.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It involves tapping on specific meridian points on the body while focusing on the emotion or thought you want to release.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It's like we're sending calming signals to our amygdala, letting it know that it's safe to relax.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
In a way, yes. It's a powerful tool for shifting our energy and releasing stuck emotions.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You know, one of the things I love about Let Them Theory is that it encourages us to be proactive about our mental and emotional well-being.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It's about creating a life where we feel empowered, grounded, and resilient no matter what challenges come our way.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. It's a journey worth taking.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Well, one of the most important things is to cultivate self-care practices that nourish our mind, body and spirit.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It's about making choices that support our overall well-being.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Well, getting enough sleep is crucial. When we're sleep deprived, our emotional reserves are depleted, making us more susceptible to stress and reactivity.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We've all been there. And nourishing our bodies with healthy foods is also essential. What we eat directly impacts our mood and energy levels.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And let's not forget about movement. Exercise is a fantastic stress reliever and mood booster.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. And let's not underestimate the power of spending time in nature.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's true. Being in nature calms our nervous system, reduces stress hormones and boosts our mood.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Factors like genetics, personality, even past experiences, all contribute to how easily our emotional alarms go off.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And let's not forget about nurturing our social connections.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's true. Spending time with loved ones, laughing, sharing stories and feeling connected all contribute to our resilience.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And last but not least, don't be afraid to seek professional support when needed.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. It's a sign of strength and self-awareness to reach out for help when we need it.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You know, it's amazing to think about how all these self-care practices not only boost our individual resilience, but also ripple out into the world around us.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. When we prioritize our own mental and emotional health, we show up as our best selves in all areas of our lives.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's like a beautiful chain reaction of positivity.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I couldn't agree more. It's about recognizing that we have the power to choose how we respond to the world around us. And that choice can make all the difference.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's like we're taking back the reins, you know, of our own emotional experience.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. Think about it. When you choose to stay calm and grounded amidst someone else's tantrum, you're not just benefiting yourself.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Precisely. You're demonstrating that it's possible to respond to conflict with grace and composure even when things get heated.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Kids are like little emotional sponges absorbing everything they see and hear from the adults in their lives.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. The CEO punching the wall. It wasn't about the quarterly numbers. Right. It was about his internal state, his unmet needs. Maybe it was fear of failure, exhaustion, feeling unheard. Those unmet needs get amplified in stressful situations, making that amygdala hijack more likely.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We're planting seeds of pieces and understanding that can have a lasting impact.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And, you know, it's not just about the people around us. It's also about the energy we're putting out into the world.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Well, think about it. When we're constantly reacting to drama and negativity, we're feeding that energy, amplifying it.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. But when we choose to stay calm and centered, we're shifting our vibration to a higher frequency.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's like we're becoming magnets for positivity.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And the more of us who embody this energy, the brighter our collective light will shine.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's a beautiful vision, isn't it?
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So let's go out there and be the change we want to see in the world.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And remember, your calm is your superpower.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Beautifully put.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Until next time, keep practicing those let them skills.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Precisely. And that's where the power of detach and redirect comes in. You can't control someone else's emotions or force their amygdala to chill out, but you can control your own response.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The let them part is about releasing that need to control the other person's outbursts. Let them vent, sulk, send that angry email. It's their storm to weather. Your job isn't to fix it or talk them down.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And then the let me part kicks in. This is where you reclaim your own agency, taking steps to protect your well-being and emotional state.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Sounds good.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The first step is often physical or mental detachment. Sometimes that literally means leaving the room.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Other times it's putting on headphones, muting notifications, anything to create space and regain your composer.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It's about creating a buffer zone so you can respond thoughtfully, not react impulsively.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's where internal detachment becomes key. A simple but powerful tool is the 4-4-4 breath. Inhale for four seconds, hold for four, exhale for four. It might seem basic, but it helps calm your nervous system, shifting you from that reactive fight or flight mode to a more centered state.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
There's no magic spell, unfortunately, but there are some helpful scripts that can de-escalate things. For example, you could say, I hear your frustration. Let's revisit this when we're both calm. Or this feels heated. I'll give you space to process.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right. It's about setting boundaries and letting them know that productive communication can happen later when everyone's had a chance to cool off.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Precisely. It's about shifting from reaction to strategic response, which is at the heart of the let them theory.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's where understanding the specific scenarios comes into play. Workplace dynamics, relationship challenges, family drama, each requires a slightly different approach, though the core principles remain the same.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh yeah.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The let them is exactly that let them panic. You can't control their anxiety, but you can control your response. Instead of getting swept up in their frenzy, meticulously document your progress and propose a regular check-in schedule.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes. The adult tantrum. It's it is a fascinating contradiction, isn't it? We expect adults to, you know, have a handle on their emotions. Yet sometimes it's like you're dealing with a toddler in a boardroom.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It addresses their need for reassurance without letting their anxiety dictate your every move.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It's not about dismissing their concerns, but rather creating a structure that allows you to do your best work without getting bogged down in their emotional turmoil.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The let them here would be to allow them the space to withdraw and process. Everyone coats with conflict differently, and some people need that time to cool off before they can engage constructively.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. The let me here is about focusing on your own well-being, engage in activities you enjoy, connect with friends, anything that helps you feel grounded and centered. It's not about ignoring the issue, but about creating your own emotional oasis instead of getting pulled into their storm.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And it also models healthy behavior. You're showing them that you respect their need for space while also prioritizing your own well-being.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
This one can be tough, but the principle remains the same. Let them criticize. You can't change their perspective or control their words. They're entitled to their opinions, even if you disagree.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The key is to not internalize those opinions as truth.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It is tough. And that's where the let me becomes crucial. Setting a clear boundary is essential. You could say something like, I love you, but I can't have this conversation if you're going to raise your voice or I respect your opinion, but I'm making choices that are right for me.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. You're showing them that you have a different perspective and that you're not willing to be treated with disrespect, even from family.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. It's called the Tantrum Triage Checklist. Think of it as your emergency response kit for emotional outbursts.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
First, pause your reactions. Don't react impulsively. Just take a breath and observe what's happening. Remember that a amygdala hijack can happen to anyone, including you.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Next, acknowledge their emotion. You don't have to agree with it, but a simple, I see you're upset can go a long way in diffusing the tension. It validates their feelings without necessarily validating their behavior.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And finally, the redirect. Ask, how can we move forward? Or what would be a helpful next step? This shifts the focus from venting to problem solving.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Precisely. It's about establishing that you're willing to engage, but on your terms and in a way that's respectful to both parties.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's healthy skepticism.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
See you in a sec.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Let them theory isn't a magic bullet, but it's a powerful framework that helps us navigate those messy situations with more grace and intention.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Mm-hmm.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's a classic example of setting boundaries and choosing your battles wisely. It's not about being passive or letting people walk all over you. It's about strategically choosing where to invest your energy.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. Imagine your brain as a company. The prefrontal cortex is the thoughtful CEO making strategic decisions. But when stress hits, the amygdala, which is our security chief, senses danger and it can trigger the fight or flight response, sending the whole company into lockdown before the CEO even knows what's happening. That's the amygdala hijack, our emotional reactions taking over.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And sometimes choosing not to engage is the most powerful and self-respecting choice you can make.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. It's about reclaiming our own power and choosing peace over chaos. And it's something we can all learn to do with practice and intention.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Their outburst is their storm. Your calm is your superpower.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And that choice is where our true power lies.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's a crucial point. Let them theory is not about condoning or enabling abuse. It's about recognizing the difference between a garden variety tantrum and something far more dangerous.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. If you're experiencing abuse, it's essential to seek professional help and prioritize your safety.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
How so?
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's a compassionate perspective.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
I see what you mean. It's like recognizing that their behavior is a reflection of their own inner turmoil, not a personal attack on us.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's almost like saying, I see your pain, but I'm not going to let it define me or dictate my worth.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Now let's shift gears a bit and talk about the long-term impact of not addressing these adult tantrums. What happens when we consistently allow ourselves to get swept up in other people's emotional storms?
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. Consistently engaging in those unhealthy patterns can erode our sense of self and create a cycle of negativity that's hard to break free from.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Precisely. It's about breaking free from those reactive patterns and choosing to respond in a way that honors our own well-being.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's true. And social media often amplifies this negativity, creating echo chambers where people only hear opinions that confirm their existing biases.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And that's where let them theory can be so powerful. It's not about agreeing with everyone or condoning harmful behavior, but it's about recognizing that we can't control other people's reactions. We can only control our own.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. We can focus on building bridges, fostering understanding, and having productive conversations with people who might hold different views.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. Let Them Theory isn't just about navigating individual tantrums. It's about creating a more peaceful and understanding world, one interaction at a time.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You know, one thing that strikes me as particularly powerful about let them theory is that it shifts the focus from blame to responsibility.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Well, instead of saying you made me angry, we're saying I'm feeling angry and I'm choosing to respond in a way that's healthy for me.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. It's about owning our own emotions and reactions rather than blaming others for them. And that's where true empowerment lies.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We'll be right back.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And that's a much more empowering and liberating place to be.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Great question. We've already touched on the 4-4-4 breath and creating physical or mental space, but there's a whole toolkit of strategies that can help us regulate our nervous systems and stay grounded when someone else is losing it.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
One of my favorites is mindfulness meditation.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Wow.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And it doesn't have to be complicated. Even just a few minutes of focused breathing or body scan meditation can make a huge difference.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Precisely. And the more we practice mindfulness, the easier it becomes to access that calm centered state, even in the midst of chaos.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP7 | When Adults Throw Tantrums | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You know, another technique that I find really helpful is visualization.
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At the same time. Oh no. Yeah. The episode mentions that chronic rescuers have cortisol levels 30% higher than average. Okay. Cortisol is that fight or flight hormone. So essentially you're getting this helper's high while your body is screaming danger.
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Yeah. That's how twisted the cycle can get.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's where the science of rescuing comes in.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The episode touches on this concept of mirror neuron burnout.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. You know how you cringe when someone stubs their toe?
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's those mirror neurons firing, allowing us to empathize.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Now imagine Janine's drama playing on repeat in your head.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right. So those neurons, they just burn out from overexposure.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
There is a limit.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And this is where it gets tricky because it's easier than you'd think to misjudge our help as good. We're wired for connection. So even giving bad help can feel better than doing nothing at all.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Well, that's where the let them theory comes in. It's about shifting from a mindset of I need to fix this to I need to support your next step. It's about empowering the other person to find their own solutions, even if it means letting them struggle a bit.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It can, but the key is to ask ourselves, is my help preventing them from learning and growing? Am I sacrificing my needs for theirs?
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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OK.
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That's the kind of shift that the let them theory encourages.
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It is counterintuitive, but it's about long-term empowerment, not short-term relief. We think we're being helpful, but we might actually be stunting their growth.
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That's right. We're tackling that age old question. Yeah. Is it even possible to love someone and protect your own well-being?
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More times than I care to admit.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's a common human experience, and that's why I think the episode's rescue audit tool is so valuable.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, it forces us to be honest with ourselves about our motivations for helping.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. Those are tough questions.
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See you in a sec.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
They are, but answering those questions is the first step to breaking free from the rescuing cycle.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Those scripts can be so helpful, especially when you're feeling pressured to jump back into rescue mode. They help you stay grounded and communicate your limits clearly and compassionately.
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Especially when that person as well. Yeah. Difficult.
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Yeah.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, yeah.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
What?
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It is.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's powerful.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, really? You'd think she'd be angry.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, for years.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Really?
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
She had to.
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Exactly. And in doing so, she discovered strengths she never knew she had. Wow. Janine talks about how she used to rely on Mel for everything. Oh, wow. From emotional support to practical help.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's the beauty of the let them theory. By stepping back, Mel actually gave Janine a gift. The gift of self-reliance.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And it's not just about practical skills. It's about building emotional resilience as well. Janine realized that she was stronger than she thought she was.
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Absolutely. We think we're protecting them from pain, but we might actually be preventing them from developing the skills they need to navigate life's challenges.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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It's hard.
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Of course.
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It isn't.
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It is. It's about saying, I trust you to figure this out. Yeah. And I'm here to support you along the way and not I'll take care of everything.
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Absolutely.
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Yes.
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Right.
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It's a win win situation.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We'll be right back.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, wow.
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Oh, yeah. I think we all know a Janine.
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Oh, yeah, I love that one.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Okay.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's subtle, but it makes a huge difference.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Okay.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. Or if someone's battling addiction, you might help them research treatment options or find a support group.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes, it is.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It is.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We do. We do. And it's so easy to fall into those rescuing patterns.
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But the good news is that we can learn to do things differently. We can choose to love and support the people in our lives without sacrificing our own well-being.
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The dopamine trap.
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What's that?
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It's a subtle line, isn't it? The episode's key takeaway really stuck with me. Rescuing is fear disguised as love.
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Yeah, so it's like those slot machines in Vegas, you know? That unpredictable reward keeps you pulling that lever, even though, you know, it's bad odds. With rescuing, you get that little hit of dopamine every time you save someone.
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True support empowers others to help themselves.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It does. It's not about becoming cold or uncaring. It's about recognizing that sometimes the most loving thing we can do is step back and let the people we care about face their challenges.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And just like those sailors navigating rough seas, those challenges help them develop resilience and resourcefulness.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Precisely. Adversity can be an incredible teacher. And by allowing people to experience those growing pains, we're actually helping them develop into stronger, more capable individuals.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And that belief that trust can be incredibly empowering.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And that support might look different than what we're used to.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It might involve having those tough conversations, setting clear boundaries and even letting go of outcomes.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It is because it's about fostering true independence, not creating dependence.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Me too. It's definitely a journey, not a destination. Right. And there will be bumps along the way.
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We are.
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Absolutely. So for those of you who are feeling overwhelmed by the idea of letting go, remember that you don't have to do this alone. There are resources available, communities of support, and even therapists who can guide you on this journey.
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Yes.
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We'll be back next time with another deep dive into the messy but oh so important world of relationships.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And most importantly, remember that loving someone doesn't mean sacrificing your own well-being.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly, that feel-good chemical. But just like gambling, it can become a compulsion, even an addiction.
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S1 EP6 | Loving Difficult People | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's about finding that delicate balance between supporting others and honoring your own needs.
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Yes.
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It is.
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Sounds good.
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It is kind of scary. And what's even scarier is that your body is also sending you stress signals.
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It can. It keeps us playing small, you know, holding back our gifts, ultimately preventing us from making the unique contribution that only we can make.
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That's great to hear.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's a process, right? It's reclaiming your power. Recognizing your worthiness doesn't depend on what other people think. And as you continue to embrace this let them mindset, you'll find you have more energy, more enthusiasm for the things that really matter to you.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Absolutely. And remember, this is just the beginning. This concept of letting them think bad thoughts about you, it's just one piece of the larger let them theory.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The one we've been exploring this whole season of The Messy Podcast.
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Ooh, that's going to be a good one.
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Oh, for sure. Because let's face it, we all have those challenging relationships in our lives.
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So we're going to be exploring boundaries, guilt, how to navigate those tricky dynamics without sacrificing your own well-being.
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And if you're enjoying these deep dives, we would love for you to share the podcast with a friend who might need to hear this message.
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Until next time, keep shining your light. And remember, let them think what they want and let you be you.
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Of course, yeah.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
What?
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She talks about that experience as being trapped in this, what she calls, draft-delete spiral.
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Oh, it's the worst. You craft the perfect post. You're imagining every negative comment, and then you just scrap the whole thing.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's just self-sabotage fueled by fear.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, totally.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Okay, what's that?
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, yeah.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, good question.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It really has.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So the idea here, it's not about, you know, being reckless or disregarding all feedback.
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It's about a shift in perspective, a big one.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's about understanding that we just can't control what other people think.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
But what we can control is our own reactions to those thoughts.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The source material actually provides this really cool framework called let them let me.
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Deep, deep.
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Yeah, let them let me. So let them think what they want and let me do what I need to do. It's reclaiming your power.
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Focusing on your own actions and intentions instead of getting caught up in everybody else's opinions.
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Yes, totally.
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Oh, yeah.
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A little bit. Yeah.
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Oh, for sure. Yeah.
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Okay, so Blurton Post, it's designed to bypass that overthinking, self-sabotaging part of our brains and just push us to share our work without excessive editing, without filtering.
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Absolutely. And you know what? The source material, it shares this fantastic case study.
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About a listener who embraces the Blurt and Post challenge, and she ends up launching this successful business.
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So this listener was terrified to share pictures of her baking creations online.
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Convinced people would just judge her skills.
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So she was scared.
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No. She took the plunge.
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Posted a picture of her first cupcake. Wow. Fully embracing the let them mindset.
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And you know what? People loved it.
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They did. She got positive feedback, encouragement, and built a loyal following.
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It's a perfect example of how let them think bad thoughts about you. It isn't about being careless or seeking out the negative feedback. It's about shifting your focus from that external validation to that internal drive.
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Oh, yeah, it does.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes, the opinion detox.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It's this powerful exercise designed to help us identify and then reframe the fears that are holding us back.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It encourages us to get really specific about our fears and then apply the let them let me framework to dismantle them.
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All right, so think of three specific fears you have about what other people might think of you. Really, really get into the details. For example, you mentioned earlier feeling anxious about sharing your writing online.
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So now apply the let them let me framework to that fear. Just say it out loud. Let them think my writing is bad.
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Let me share it anyway.
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Right. It's about taking the power back.
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See you in a sec.
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Oh, yeah.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Now let's explore two more fears and apply that same framework. What else comes to mind?
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It is. It really is a universal experience. Totally. It often stems from this deeply ingrained fear of judgment that's just wired into our brains. It's like way back when, for survival, being ostracized from the tribe, that would be death. So we developed this really strong drive to fit in and avoid, avoid rejection at all costs.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Oh, that's that's a common one. It speaks to that, you know, deep seated desire for connection and approval. But but remember, you can't control their reactions.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You can only control your own preparation and delivery. So let's reframe that fear. Let's use let them.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's right. It's acknowledging the fear, but refusing to let it paralyze you.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And, you know, as you practice this, you'll start to notice that fear, it loses their grip.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You'll become more focused on your message.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And less concerned with their reactions.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Now, what about one more fear? One more.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So relatable. We live in this world where social media, it's just this curated version of reality.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So easy to get caught up in comparison.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And self-doubt. But remember, social media, it's a tool.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You decide how you use it. So let's apply that framework to this fear.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It does.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's the power. That's the power of reframing.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
By consciously choosing, let them think what they want. You're freeing yourself to let you be you. This opinion detox. It's like mental spring cleaning.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You're clearing out those limiting beliefs, making space for more empowering ones.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Well, imagine you're in a meeting, right? You're brimming with ideas, but you're hesitant to speak up for fear of being judged or ridiculed.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
So instead of staying silent, you could use a similar script.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You know, let them think my idea is naive.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Let me present it with passion and clarity.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And that's a key point. This let them theory, it isn't about dismissing all feedback. Right. It's about learning to discern the difference between constructive criticism, you know, which helps us learn and grow.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And irrelevant noise, which is just a reflection of the other person's biases.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And insecurity.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes. As you become more comfortable with the let them mindset, you'll start to notice patterns in the feedback you receive.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You'll start to recognize which voices are consistently offering those valuable insights.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And which ones tend to be more critical.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Or dismissive.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly. And remember, even constructive criticism can sting sometimes.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
But instead of letting it derail you, try to approach it with curiosity.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
But these days, in today's world, this instinct can totally backfire.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Ask yourself, what can I learn from this feedback? How can I use this to improve my work?
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Exactly, yes.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes, exactly. And by applying that same principle to the opinions of others, we free ourselves from the shadows of judgment and embrace our own unique path.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
We'll be right back.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
The source material highlights this beautifully.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
With a quote from Mary Oliver, what will you do with your one wild and precious life?
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It holds us back from sharing our deaths, you know?
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
A call to action.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Reminding us our time is limited. We shouldn't waste it worrying about things we can't control. Right. Faisal, living authentically and pursuing the things that light us up.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Even if it means risking a little judgment.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Pursuing our passions, all of that.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's it. And beautiful thing is this. Let them theory. It's not some abstract concept.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Something you can start applying right now.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It is. It's about taking that first step, however small, towards a life that's aligned with your values and your vision.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
This week. That's right. And remember, this is a journey.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You won't become completely fearless overnight.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah, totally.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
There will be moments of doubt, setbacks, those pesky inner critics trying to make a comeback.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's it. And just like learning any new skill, there will be times when we stumble. Right. Make mistakes. But that's part of the process.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's it. Embracing that growth mindset.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Recognizing that setbacks, they're not failures, they're stepping stones.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
To greater confidence and authenticity.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's it. That's it. And as you continue to challenge yourself, you'll be amazed at how much stronger and more resilient you become.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Everywhere.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
It is, right? It reminds me, you know, about discerning between constructive criticism and irrelevant noise, something we touched on earlier.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You know, this can be tricky, especially when you're navigating this new mindset.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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Yes. I love that.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. Yeah.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
That's a great way to put it. I love that.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah. And remember, even constructive criticism can sting sometimes.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yeah.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
But instead of letting it derail you, approach it with curiosity.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Right. OK.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
Yes.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And by applying that principle to the opinions of others, we can free ourselves from those shackles of judgment, truly embrace our own unique path.
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
You are not alone on this journey. We're all in this together. Right. Navigating this, you know, messy, beautiful, unpredictable terrain of human experience. So keep showing up. Keep sharing your voice. Keep shining your light. Even if it means risking a little judgment. Because at the end of the day, your voice matters. Your story matters. And the world needs to hear what you have to say.
The Let Them Theory | The Messy Podcast
S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
And with that in mind, I'm curious, what's one thing you've been putting off because of fear?
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S1 EP5 | Let Them Think Bad Thoughts About You | The Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins
What would it look like to embrace the let the mindset and take action?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
This sounds similar to somebody we may have interviewed in the last few months. Who are you talking about? Missing kid.
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Also, the only time that it would have been able to have happened prior to them being home was on the car ride back from the white.
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Yeah. well in terms of things that we have covered that that could use a second pass at the very least there's a couple comments from the video this week that i want to get your opinion on in particular uh the first one being so we've finally officially covered the burke interview yeah the first one the first one so give me your thoughts on that and then i have a follow-up question it was weird
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Now, in terms of your personal understanding of sociopathy versus something other in the neurodivergent space, such as autism or Asperger's or other things like that, what are the key details from that interview that make you lean more specifically towards sociopathy?
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Now, I understand, obviously, we have Kohler and Thomas leaning in that direction themselves, but speaking on your own behalf, what do you see?
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Yeah, just total lack of empathy.
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Exactly. And in the meantime, they still have Jesus.
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Yeah, I think I put that part in.
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Well, because he follows that up directly with, they cry a lot, whatever, but I'm just kind of moving on with my life, right?
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Yeah. There, there was what would have to an, to a mind without context of what he was talking about. You would think he was bragging.
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Might that have to do with the other element that he discussed where he did the hand motions? Yeah. You want to elaborate on that a little bit?
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Which is normal for a 10-year-old, but abnormal in this situation.
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Yeah. Very similar to the element that he was putting on when talking about the interviewers looking for him. Yeah.
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I will say really quickly, just on that point, we did just get a good chat from a Guinea baby saying I'm autistic and Burke is not. Also, it isn't that we can't read faces and emotions at 41, at least for me, or at least at this point, I'm not, it's that I'm reading the person's true feelings and I'm not reading the mask. Got it. So that's, yeah.
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But I think that's a good indicator of where kind of the goalposts are is, you know, this is a person with autism saying like, Hey, I've, I've been living with it for decades to me. That's not what I see in Burke. And also like, that's how far away from it. It is.
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Well, and the other thing is that like, obviously we know from covering this case for five parts. Now there really is no smoking gun here now, but in the number of different parts that fall into place to leading to a conclusion about this case, this is a pretty big one.
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Another detail I wanted to cover that I saw in the comments was specifically about the nanny. Yeah, because and I hadn't heard these things before. So I wanted to get nanny there or the housekeeper. I can't remember her name. What was her name again?
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Yes, Linda Hoffman Pugh. So there were some people in the comments saying that their indication from things that they've seen about the case for the last couple of decades led them to the conclusion of Linda Hoffman Pugh because there was a pad, a notepad and like a pen that was similar to the Ramsey's at their home. They had access to from some detail of being able to know
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what John Ramsey's bonus was. And because there had been the issue with the money that they had to lend, they may have been essentially trying to extort that out of them privately. Like that was the motive. That was the opportunity.
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So my question to you essentially was like, well, given that and given the things that you've seen in the case so far, I know pretty early on you were against Linda Hoffman view. So reiterating that for people.
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I gotta say, also, in terms of the sophistication element, one thing just came to mind is that The Burke-John theory makes the most sense given the injuries sustained by JonBenet. Yeah. Because when you look at all of the other options for what happened that night, none of them so conclusively explain the head injury and the strangulation.
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That, to me, is what makes the most sense.
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like there was an intent to kill.
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Including Patsy's mother.
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I get that it was a different time, but I don't think I'll ever fully understand.
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This is where my knowledge of Always Sunny is.
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Well, it also, because the thing is, essentially, in my view, he was used by the Ramsey lawyers.
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Yeah, but that's the thing, is if he admits that now, his entire backlog gets brought into question.
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Yes. And considering he's got multiple books and a Netflix series now based off of his work, for him to then say, I'm actually not too sure about that, then, I mean, there's too much at stake for him.
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Yeah, well, the only concern I have there is he could have essentially been inconclusive about it.
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I'm excited to help you edit it.
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Can we read that, those couple sentences?
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From obviously the most accurate translation.
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Yeah. It's just that, you know, we have both people and businesses.
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And in terms of things that are going to take a long time, Super Chats would be a good time to roll over to them. Gom gave us $5, telling us we do amazing work. Thank you. And helping to set the tone with seriousness tonight. Yes, thank you. Which is a rare form for him, so appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah.
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I'm only going to read the two sentences that are of note here. Peter and the other disciple left immediately for the tomb. They ran neck and neck. The other disciple got to the tomb first, outrunning Peter. That's it.
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I also appreciate you. And I appreciate you for what you've been doing in compiling all the things that we said we would do that we still haven't yet.
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We're getting there. Just give us time.
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Remarkably entertaining.
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uh good super chat from shepherd for five bucks saying did you guys hear about that kid in arizona not uh new totally explainable and not at all weird missing 411 case from david david politis incoming
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In either the email or the Discord. Or leave a comment on the stream.
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If it's a super chat or something that comes in right now, I'll keep my eye out for it. And then Gom followed it up... Gump, I can't say that. No.
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Not that one. We'll look at that later.
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You were doing so well.
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I was going to say more favorable than we would. Uh, ghost town guy for 20 bucks. Thank you very much. Says for the totally not cult ranch. I'll throw my hat in the ring to tend the cattle. Been around a lot of desert. I have to say, have you considered Southeast Oregon? Also Oregon frontier historian, happy to ramble about old surf. I will say either Oregon or Washington, uh,
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would be great opportunities for that because the majority of the states are really good cattle ranching. And like, there's nobody there, very open spaces, very low population density. And then right over the mountains, we got some really beautiful coastline. So it would work well for me. I know there are certain reasons it wouldn't work well for you.
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Well, yeah. Shepard followed it up with saying $5. Have you guys thought about doing a video on the OP Rock incident? I'd like to see your take on it, especially after the Kandahar Giant video.
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Granted, I did read two sentences.
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We will add it to the list. Gomb, you're spreading misinformation and hearsay and fake news in the chat for $5.03 for those who want to scroll back and read it.
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Incredible. Also, Jamo Preacher of the Milk gave us a hundred bucks.
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I have to read this. Thank you! To reject the milk is to rebuff all that is good. I say unto those men that reject the same that Prince Mike said unto the demon Orange Juice. while in dispute over the Prophet Halav's body, dared not to bring against him a railing accusation, but saying, The milk rebuke thee. It was a hundred bucks, I had to say it. I appreciate it. You broke him.
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Got to study up, I guess. So now you guys know, even on a really serious topic, if you send us $100, we'll probably read whatever craziness you have. So thanks. We have people re-upping their memberships. We got Daniel Franklin Henry Jr. has been a member for nine months. Kellen's back for 12 months. Official year. I know that you've been a member longer than that.
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appreciate it nonetheless and trains and stuff remember in 11 months i believe you have been as well so sorry youtube keeps messing with your membership numbers but we appreciate you guys re-upping nonetheless kind of lame kind of lame shepherd for 10 bucks says last one for me today i want to read the original authorian legends the welsh ones not the english versions and definitely not the french ones any recommendations also bathe in the milk
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Unfortunately not in Minecraft.
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Real quick, while you do that, Shepard did send a follow-up about the case that he mentioned. There's no name, but he said the kid wandered away from his house, walked seven miles overnight through some really rough terrain filled with two mountain lions and a bear, was found by a livestock dog, and the dog brought the kid back to the house.
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So may have gotten just lost?
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Seven miles was the trek. I don't know if that was the... Oh, here we go.
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But Minecraft probably does save lives.
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Cool. Daniel Franklin Henry Jr. for five bucks says, an interesting legend from where I grew up in northwest Florida is the legend of Tate's Hell. Another one to add to the list.
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As you look into that really quickly, A7XMShadows19 for 10 bucks says, Happy belated Easter to the boys from the other side of the mountain. I'm an Ohioan. I hear a certain seat has opened up to the, I believe this is baptized man of the faith. So may we expect a Pope Mattis anytime soon?
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Next is from 31GG Not Russian Productions for 50 bucks. And that's it. Oh, there is a comment on it, I think. I don't know. I can't read it. I can't read the reply.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Makes sense. Trains and stuff is getting a milking machine for cows so that we will never run out of milk. Just so you know.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yeah. Dairy's important.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
There's a joke there that I'm not making. The Rude Canadian for Canadian $2.22. Love the specificity. Says money for the Pope Fund. Apparently we're becoming popes. We're kickstarting our hearts to become popes.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Well, to be fair, and I was thinking about this both while editing it and rewatching it, You mentioned it in the video, but I think it's a key point of contention where a lot of the things that you've pointed out as lies, both in that.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
I mean, that actually makes a lot of sense. Which when you look at the history of the Orthodox Church, it kind of makes sense because the Orthodox Church up until the 1450s was... Was that a voluntary thing or was that something that like lords and kings would essentially have pressed for like as a requirement?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
I was going to say, because I would imagine the reason that it occurred is because those who had land and power did not want the church getting more.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
So... That would be a wild alternate history if they had allowed... Like, doing an alternate history where priests were allowed to marry and reproduce.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
But more specifically, like, if that perpetuated into, like, later in the medieval period. Yeah. And it grew to the point where, essentially, you had religious kingdoms. You would have.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
That's the thing. Like, that would be really interesting. It would be, yeah. Like, or history to kind of explore. Yeah.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
So it's not that he didn't pick up on a lie. It's that he wasn't even really given enough access to be able to discover them. Yeah, per se.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Next is for two bucks says, hello boys, a fine day to lodge some lore.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yeah, fair enough. let's be fair we've had enough in our lives already where it almost certainly will not be enough to do you in further than anything else you've already previously consumed it feels slightly bloated yeah that happens That's just from A, sitting in the heat, and B, any of the dissolved oxygen and carbon dioxide that was within it releasing. So you're fine. Anyway.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Exactly. Snakebites Sam for five bucks says, when, and it is a matter of when, not if, I become an eccentric crypto billionaire, I will happily use my vast fortune to bankroll your videos, Aiden's.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yes. And we'll be very excited and we'll re-divert some of the funds that you give us to make movies and books and all that fun stuff.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
That's actually next after the direwolf project.
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Ship of the hand grenade for four 99 says holy water equals Pope milk. And how do you feel about that statement existing?
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I'm not going to handle that one. We have Catholics. We know that we can let handle that one. Yeah. Shepard, back again for $10, says, I lied. This is the last one. It wasn't because you followed it up later. Really loved watching you shred people on TikTok who were claiming that Easter was pagan. You providing sources and them going, nuh-uh. It was amazing. Somebody told me Passover isn't Jewish.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
The amount of comments that I see on social posts where it is blatantly clear that they didn't watch any of the video that they're commenting on is wild.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
And to clarify, beyond him saying there used to be a festival, what detail is there?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yeah. They didn't have the means of knowing things that we do now.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Franzi Vesnov for $5 says, this is a good one considering we're talking about history right now. If you could go back in time and observe but not interfere with one historical event, when and where would you go?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Would you beat John to the tomb, though?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yeah. I was thinking, I mean, obviously the, the battle for the Serp is up there. I think the battle of the Nile, I think would be up there. Um,
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yeah, I was trying to think like, considering we grew up here, I grew up in Valley Forge, being at least even for like a period of time in Valley Forge at that time and just being like the conditions they had to deal with and how they were making it through. I don't know. Honestly, there were a number of things that came to mind. So it's hard to narrow down.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
oh it's gonna end up in another one of the compilations yes it is i can read more children than you can you made it worse i know incredible gom for 504 love the specificity good sir says speaking of the pope we are now two for two with controversial political figures meeting elderly figureheads and then immediately passing afterwards who was the other one i don't know dalai lama maybe the queen i don't know who met with the queen
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Her passing didn't bother me much. That's fair. Chat, find this answer. Wizards Workshop, with a wild username and $20, says, if Mattis and Thornberry were invited to be part of epic rap battles of history, who would you two want to portray against each other, and who would you want to portray together against Wendigoon and Meatcanyon?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
The thing that jumps to mind thematically would be Lee and Grant.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Because really anything pre-modern history, I'm cooked.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Hmm. This was one of the things in the Patriot. They did get right. Yeah. Uh, why do I feel like there was an, how was it? How maybe general?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yeah, Commander-in-Chief of the British Land Forces in the colonies during the American War of Independence. Well done.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yeah, that'd be fun. Us as Americans, them as... Yeah. I don't know. I feel like we would be forced into the British... Yeah, probably. Yeah. no no uh macarthur and whoever would go with macarthur uh-huh against i don't know fdr or something like that macarthur and truman versus kim kimmy old sung was that it and uh just mousy dong yeah Actually, no, no, no.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
It would be Hitler and Goebbels versus Mao Zedong and Stalin. What an odd pairing. Just specifically them bragging, essentially, of who was better at being worse.
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What about Margaret Thatcher versus everyone else?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
I think they had one with Thatcher.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
I think so. Like Trump versus Clinton or Biden?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
That's an interesting pairing.
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That makes more sense.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
I did a deep dive back on them again like a year and a half ago.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
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Also, like, what else would there be to cover?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Well, like, oh, in America or just in general? Just in general. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Hang on. Currently working on that. There's one in particular coming in that I have to do a small bit of research for. Okay. And our internet is not being rapid enough.
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It's all good. I'm almost there.
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Thank you. Okay, right. Okay, so the question was... Come on, computer. This thing is so slow. Echo Warrior for $100. This is why I had to do a little research to make sure I was properly informed for $100. Thank you, that's a lot of money. Yeah, thank you very much. saying, Thornberry, I know you are familiar with the Jackdaw from Black Flag. Are you also familiar with the Aquila from AC3?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
It is also a brig that can be upgraded if both ships are fully upgraded, which wins in a fight. And from what I'm seeing about the Aquila... Oh, okay. So the Jackdaw has four swivels and 46 broadsides, but the Aquila has six swivels and 60 broadsides, and it looks like it's a full two-decker.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
If we're talking just the ships alone, pound for pound, the Aquila's better.
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jones that would be a good one that would be really good i would that would be an interesting i want that's we should do that uh for uh unhinged because they oh yeah i'm so down for that because that's the thing is they both had not too dissimilar fighting styles it's just one had a lot more to work with yeah and one was a crazy scotsman yes
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That is interesting, though, because despite the fact that Jones had all the things that, you know, against him and so little in the way of what he could do with it. Yeah. The amount of things he accomplished. It's crazy. Very impressive, man. You'd have to wonder what he would have done had if they existed in the same time frame.
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Jones was Revolution, and then Nelson... Not far. Not far at all, because Nelson primarily was the leader in the Napoleonic Wars. So theoretically, they could have... I don't know if they did live at the same time, but... They may have been alive at the same time, but I don't think... If Nelson was alive, he would have been either a midshipman or maybe a lieutenant.
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So I don't think he would have been in a command position enough. Ratio Nelson, right? Yes. Yes. I could be wrong on that, but... So... He was only 10 years younger than Jones. When was he born?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
I don't think he would have been in a position of commanding a ship, though, at the time that Jones was.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yeah, because that's the thing, and that's why I said either midshipman or lieutenant, because he... I just didn't realize they lived so close together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that makes sense to me, but I don't think... If he ever encountered Jones, he wasn't the one calling the shots. No. But yeah, that would be really interesting.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
If you did... Well, that's the thing. If you really want to go captain versus captain rather than ship versus ship, if you put up... The Bonham Richard and the two other ships that he had with him when he took the Serapis. But you replaced the Serapis and its little party with HMS Victory and a few ships of the line. I mean, Jones barely got out with the Serapis.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
So you got to wonder what he might have pulled with that. I don't know. It's worth a deep dive. We're going to have to look into this. So thank you for that. um anyway tally turtle for two dollars says any update on sebastian rogers i did not know that nelson died at the battle of trafalgar oh yeah huh yeah unfortunately yeah uh so tally turtle's asking any update on sebastian rogers
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Do we want to give him any?
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Does John Ramsey also have an invitation to come on?
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If he showed up, I think he'd last five minutes. Probably. Probably. I think Chris would last three.
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Eleanor DeHaller, Werewolf Queen for $9.99.
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Incredible. Chimp, clip that and send it to Chris and see if he comes on the show. Number one, happy Easter. Happy Easter. Number two, glad you're back on this case.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
It's rewarding. Yeah. Yeah. Three, do you feel that the truth about who did it and why can or will come out?
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And I think that's a good mentality to have, because generally a guilty man will sin again, if you're going to look at it from that perspective. So if you don't get him that time, you're most likely going to get him again. So yeah, that's... Man, that good old document is really wonderful. There's a reason it's still here. There really is.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
And then the last one from Elena is, Mom, Emerald Queen emailed you a subject. Have you seen this mystery?
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We have acquired an intern finally, at least for a short period of time. So we're going to have her starting to help us with going through certain elements of things like that. So thank you.
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And I was requesting recommendations from her father about where to get good deals on equipment. You were. You were. Dextas for $9.99 says, have you ever considered doing a series of YouTube shorts about the fearsome critters of the lumber woods? Ooh. I'm not even familiar with that. What is that?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
A fun thing could be doing shorts slash TikToks on things that aren't good enough for a full video.
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Yeah. Yeah, it could be a good way to cover it. Hobosam21 for $11.70. What a name. Specificity. Says, why would someone not report an abandoned car? Because it could bring unnecessary tow bills and charges. I leave empty cars be. Could we have video clips volume? Last episode's interview, match Aiden's. Uh, yeah. Yeah. video clips volume. I don't remember playing a video.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Yeah, I intentionally edited the audio because it was too low initially, so I had to bump it up to match where your levels were.
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They're not going to charge you for being a good citizen. They can't.
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Yeah. If that's happened to you, go talk to someone about that.
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Yeah. Yeah. Richard Davidson for Canadian 699 says, have you had an opportunity to look into the Marshall Isaac? Uh, is it Isaac case? Maybe I S a S a, uh, Marshall.
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Uh, Alyssa, forgive me if I mispronounce this name, but Alyssa Jackielek for $2 says, I'm from Charlevoix. Charlevoix.
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I can tell stuff about the area.
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Yeah, 100%. Levi V for $10 says, might be Levi 5, long-time viewer, first time catching a live. Absolutely love everything you guys do. Aw, thank you. Thank you very much. Make the 12-hour shifts go by fast, but now I'm out of content. Milk the squonk.
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Yep. Well, we appreciate the fact that you've officially caught up on everything that we've ever done. Have you seen History Unhinged? Check that out. If you like these two yappers, imagine a third yapper.
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Yeah, he does have a tendency to sound like the modern Marvel's guy from History Channel. That's true. Which is not a bad thing. In my opinion, that's a compliment.
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
Well, I was just editing some of that today, actually, for episode seven, which will be out this Saturday.
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This is the one where we started talking about... What did we start talking about? Hitler?
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The Bizarre Psychology of the Ramsey Family | Podcast Episode 166
No, no, that was the last one. We started talking in this one about some random subject. Oh, it was the morning after Gabby lost her ring. Right. So we started talking about that, and then we started talking about Rome, and then we never stopped talking about Rome.
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This is the one where I showed them how little I knew about Rome because of how little we covered it in my school. Do you remember how much I said we talked about Rome in my high school? Yeah. You want to tell them? Wasn't it like a few weeks? We spent half of a semester freshman year talking about pre-modern history. The rest of my high school experience was the Renaissance forward.
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Yeah, we never read it in school.
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We do. ScrapKingCarson for $1.99 says, Vance kills Pope, Pope killed H.W. Bush, whom got JFK.
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I don't even know what to do with that. Pope Vance. Pope Snance. They don't get that reference. Can you pay me in advance? Okay. Snance. Do you get that reference? One of you does. I know you do. You need Vyvanse. No, I just need to dance. You don't know it, but I'm dancing to the Six Flags theme.
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Anyway, Bree for $4.99 says, Hey, if you could check out the case of Randy Sellers, he was a teen who went missing after a ride home from cops from the county fair five miles from me.
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easily one of the best games Arbor Irrigation Installer for 556 nice says I'm a defense contractor and just got laid off for the third time in 12 months God is still good and Doge is still based y'all need an electronic engineer that was a lot that was a wild message I guess if you're a defense contractor who keeps getting laid off that's a good thing for the World War 3 fears
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What does an electronics engineer do, per se, that would be relevant to us?
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Right, but like... I don't know. I mean, sure. Send us a resume at thelorelodge at gmail.com. Griff for $10 says, I think I yeehaw-pilled my cousin. I gave him a cowboy hat and book about Teddy Roosevelt for Christmas. Now he's asking his dad for a 30-30. What's your favorite story about Teddy Roosevelt? I will say...
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I feel like I'm not allowed to buy myself a real cowboy hat until I have officially assisted on a ranch during calving season. That's fair. I feel like it's just I'm not allowed to. I'll wear the boots under like jeans, but I feel like I can't buy a real cowboy hat.
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That's valid. If you're like off trail with like yourself or a small group.
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Like, if you can say to somebody when they ask you, why are you wearing a cowboy hat? You're not even from the South.
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If you say, I've been through the desert on a horse with no name, you're allowed, I think.
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In terms of favorite Teddy Roosevelt stories... His relationship with his daughter, I think, was hilarious, aside from anything he did politically, which was just that she was like extremely like like very feminist for the time.
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Yes, exactly. And she was very big into suffrage and things like that. And everyone was pissed. They were like, how can you let her like, do what she's doing and like, be her own woman or whatever. And he just like would look at his cabinet and other people because she'd end up in the newspapers all the time. And he was just like, even God cannot control her will.
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And he was just like, and like with pride, he's like, there's nothing that can stop her. Yeah. Just like the proudest father of a daughter ever. So love that. Love that for Teddy and his daughter. Mine's the charge of San Juan Hill. Yeah, that's fair.
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Wouldn't be shocked.
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Wouldn't be shocked. V Taylor for four 99 says thoughts about the convicted pedo who admitted to it with details, not released more than once, only dismissed by inconclusive DNA and fled the country. Huh? I don't know who you're with. I don't know. Is there a specific one? Yeah, I feel like that's a multiple choice list, not necessarily a short answer there.
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No, I think that's bad. I think they should be extradited and brought back to face charges. Yeah, I don't know.
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Probably still would have been flintlocks.
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Yeah, the Single Action Armies are nice.
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I mean, that was the cowboy gun.
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uh jmo i can't read that but thank you it's jacket has been a member he said call me caesar the way i get penetrated by a gang of men We didn't have to say.
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You did. Fair enough. Quite frankly, I wanted to. Fair enough. Who's been a member for 12 months, thank you, says, a year of luring, let's go. I've mentioned this before, but the Colonial Parkway murders from Virginia need more attention. Can you write those down? Colonial? What was it? Colonial Parkway Murders from Virginia. Colonial Parkway. J-Mo, but it's funny.
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It is funny, but sometimes not appropriate. No, the Colonial Parkway Murders. Correct. Okay. Elena says, more book money. P.S. Treat the team to some goodies on me.
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Will do. We kind of did that on Saturday, so you're helping recoup from that.
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Yeah, 100%. Andrew Tabury for $30, thank you very much, says, What a series of words you just used. Isn't it incredible? Interesting. Is that North Dakota, I'd imagine? I think so. Do you want to write that down?
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Barbara Louise Cotton.
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Yes. All right. Jamo, another one, says, call me a whistleblower for the way I want to redact it myself. Oh, no. That's, man, you're really just like hitting us over the head with it, aren't you?
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Yeah. Oh, so so much agree. I hope we can actually use them.
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Yeah, look like it. They do. uh and honestly technically for if everything really falls apart probably the best ones to have true yeah because they're because you don't need casings you don't yeah just black powder you can make black powder yeah you can find lead to to use for that so yeah uh and then almost missed this one uh that slow seven three hang on hang on
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appreciate that appreciate the truck that you drive because i also have a slow 73 that is extremely slow right now because it's in the middle new engine right now turns out oh everybody news turns out it wasn't my fault turns out the previous owner completely redid the engine improperly used way too much gasket seal it didn't let it uh uh cure and then a totally
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ton of gas concealant that bulged out on the inside of the engine at the seals ripped off and got so caught up in the oil cooler that oil was not circulating through that engine, causing it to overheat and then become the problem that it did. So... your boy wasn't a total idiot with his truck. Just so happens there was a problem with it that was not diagnosable upon purchase.
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But now getting essentially a brand new engine as a result, no questions about what's going on there, thankfully. And I've met some amazing guys at a local shop. DeMarco, they've done a great job so far, throwing on a turbo to provide a little cushion as well and provide me more information. One of the gauges I now have is a oil temperature gauge.
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Do they still do communion there?
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Anyway, ThatSlow73 says, If you guys ever come down to South Florida, I have a camp in the middle of the Everglades you're welcome to come out to. I promise I won't murder you.
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We're going to hold you to that promise.
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You might need to do just that. Yeah, sounds fun. Gom for 205 says, coming to Blonde Fest, where should I stay for cheap?
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Relatively cheap. I wouldn't be shocked if it's pretty booked out.
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There's like a Marriott down the road. All the hotels around here are pretty cheap because it's not like a destination area. So really any hotel in the vicinity.
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Yeah. Yeah, it depends if you're getting a group together and things like that. Yeah. Fire on Target for $10 says, Good afternoon, Aidens. Here's some things to look into for Young Earth video. Dr. James Torr, Dr. Jason Lyle, Dr. Russell Humphrey, dinosaur soft tissue, and answers in the Genesis website.
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Are we doing a Young Earth creationist?
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Fair enough. Jennifer 999 says in high school in Boulder, we did a rhetorical analysis of the ransom note and came to the conclusion that allegedly Burke did it. John dictated and Patsy wrote the note. Your coverage is great.
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I also wicked that you're doing that in the Boulder high school. Yeah.
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You know what we need to do? We need to watch the movie ransom and see how long the ransom note is in that movie. Yeah. And what the actual content of that note is. Cause I wouldn't be shocked if a couple of lines at least were ripped from it. Oh yeah. Yeah.
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um jamo the only thing i'm saying from that is the fact that he's still asking you to read berserk i'm just gonna zoom in on it with my phone and read it that way Also, quiet, dignity and grace. Has anyone interviewed Burke? Yes. Yeah. Dr. Phil. And we're going to get to it.
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Yeah, that's pretty nuts.
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Yeah. Oh, okay. But the thing is, though, is that I don't know if it'll still be there. It was on YouTube at one point. It was just horrible quality. Yeah.
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uh next is for 999 if if you can help us make sure that we have that when the time comes that'd be amazing uh next is for 999 says i don't know how he said i know what happened and that wasn't taken more seriously meaning burke uh the police didn't think that a 10 year old was capable of that at the time yeah it's amazing how naive people used to be You're going sleepy-byes?
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Oh, he's such a cutie. EK is asking me specifically to please enlighten us how Nietzsche is a Nazi. It's not that Nietzsche was a Nazi.
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Yes. It's that a lot of the mentality and ideology of Nazism came from a lot of Nietzsche's ideas, particularly the idea of the Übermensch, a number of different elements, including hefty levels of anti-Semitism. Nietzsche was very much not a fan in any way, shape or form. The idea of eugenics also was kind of unofficially pioneered by Nietzsche in certain ways.
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And that kind of divergently evolved into the eugenics of the United States and also the eugenicism of the Nazis.
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You were searching for fairness.
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Or if, you know, a male old professor hated girls.
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You know what's funny? This is just reminding me of when I was in journalism, when I was doing... Because part of my degree is a journalism major, yada, yada, yada. I, in that class, in junior year of college... Mm-hmm. Uh, she, she asked me, she was like, you know, what do you really want to do?
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And I was like, well, I want to make films, but like, are we talking about like if I had to go into journalism? And she was like, yeah, you know?
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And I was like, well, if I was going to do something, I would really love to be a part of an organization or a way of going through the various representations of a story and analyzing them for the accuracy and the truthfulness of them and coming to a more comprehensive level of a narrative. You wanted to be ground news. Yes. Or, you know, what we do.
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And she was like, that's not a job. That's not journalism.
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It's kind of like the journalism of journalism. That's, that's, yeah, it was really interesting. It was an interesting conversation. I was like, yeah, no, if I was going to do that, I think I'd want to do this. And she was like,
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Was that his gentle way of saying the way the world... Oh, her. Was that her gentle way?
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How far have you gotten in, because you've got four books, right? You've got Kohler, Thomas, Larry, what is it? Schiller? No, no, no.
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So it was entirely going to help you business-wise.
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Yeah. So Andrew Gilley for six 50, love the specificity says should check out angry cops video on the Elisa lamb case. He gives the S N S V U detectives perspective on it. Just posted it today.
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I am thoroughly entertained by the fact that you consistently say you want to avoid being a true crime channel when the vast majority of our videos have been true crime.
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Missing 411 is true crime. Smiley Face Killers is true crime.
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Yes, but the vast majority.
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It was true crime. Jack Mio for five, five, six. Nice says first live watching since 2022 and don't have much to give due to a nasty breakup after six years. But your kind has gotten me through a lot. Thank you. First off, sorry to hear that. I'm sorry about that. Second off, you never have to give. We appreciate that you do.
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Yeah, this is just a way for us to actually be able to see questions because the chat rolls by way too quickly.
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Yeah, there's a certain level where we can no longer scroll any further. So like anything from anywhere near the first hour of the show, we can no longer access.
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Lawrence Schiller, and then Johns, right?
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So Super Chats keeps it here so you can actually like read these. So we appreciate everybody who does it. But yeah, sorry to hear about that. Thank you for listening and watching for as long as you have. We really appreciate it because it means a lot that people hang around and still keeping wanting to watch us. Yeah. Tyler Dalrymple for $10.69. Nice. Says, I blame the DA.
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I wonder how many other cases there have been that would have been solved if not for some bigwig with political ambitions who's concerned with the optics or implications. Clown world. The funny thing about Alex Hunter is that he didn't have ambitions.
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He wanted to stay exactly where he was for as long as he possibly could, which meant doing as little as he possibly could within his job, which is just... So sad. Look, do I understand the mentality? Yes. Go work in a warehouse or literally any other industry where sitting in the same level of position is acceptable and does not actively cause harm to other people.
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Oh, and John Ramsey. Yeah, yeah, so it's five.
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That wasn't a cushy air conditioned office job. Go be a manager at a Walgreens. Like, you know, I understand he wanted to, you know, make a little money and have it. Really, it seems like he wanted the fame and the attention from it. But I understand wanting to have a consistent and, you know, nothing too insane to be done during the day job. Makes sense.
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That's not what a district attorney should be. That's not what should ever be expected of going into the job of district attorney. And anybody who is attempting to make a district attorney position into that should be ridiculed because you are actively then doing the opposite of what that job description entails. And you are borderline obstructing justice at that point. So that's my two cents.
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Yeah. Yeah. Shame. Anyway, Venus for $10 says, hey guys, I just wanted to say that you're both awesome and I love your content. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Been watching since the Dennis Martin collab with Mr. Goon and I've been loving the JonBenet series. Thanks again. Thank you. Glad to hear that you're loving it. We appreciate the views. Truly.
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Matthew Wartenberger for 20 bucks says catching up in two times speed and finding out the Pope passed from the lore lads is a comical chip in comical chipmunk voices is something that I believe it or not was on my 2025 bingo card. Also would love to see you back on the red thread and pop culture crisis.
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Okay, so technically six.
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I so want to be down there to watch that.
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I'd love to be there. I would understand if I don't get the opportunity, but if it's trains, I'm all in.
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Well, and even for that Mass, we all showed up at 1130. By 1135, we were wondering what's going on. The priest comes out at 1140 and says, Christ may have risen today, but I did not. I'm sorry. I overslept. And, yeah, so that was our differentiating experiences.
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Then I'm just sitting next to my grandmother having my right hand over my left to make sure she doesn't see the stamp from Molly's from the previous night. So I was like, man, it feels a little wrong to be in here this morning with that.
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Yeah, we went to my aunt's as well.
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We did a chipping competition for golf.
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Yeah, you referenced a lot of Kohler this week.
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It wasn't you, like, drop-kicking Todd.
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Incredible. Last one from prior to 745. Dino Nuggies for 762, which is amazing, says finally caught one live. Thanks for all you do. I love you guys and hope YouTube treats your videos better. We appreciate that. Thank you. They treated our missing 411 stuff last year well.
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Yes. Getting that now from Wildlife for 50 bucks says, I appreciate your work. Well, thank you. We appreciate your donation.
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Zach Hill for $10 says, I appreciate your historical content. How do you feel about covering the Pikes Peak and Burial Mounds history in the Iowa-Wisconsin area? If you come to the area, I'll tour you.
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Primarily because you were too concerned about any emotional impact.
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Yeah, it's nuts. And then the last one that we haven't previously covered that is of relatively large amounts from Tish R. for $10 saying, how do you guys feel about the people who talk about Jesus not being just one guy? My initial thought was, well, I guess he's technically three.
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Yeah, you've got to remember, information traveled far slower back then. Quite literally.
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He was a guy who existed.
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Yeah, a lot of clarification through hindsight.
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Everything else, depending on your belief system, is debatable.
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At a reasonable time, yes.
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Absolutely. This coming week, you will see a video on the Bennington Triangle.
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I think you did all right.
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Yeah, I was doing History on Hinge today.
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Just got to keep A-B testing, I guess.
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No, I know. She's like the only person who actually keeps us on track.
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So as you've been going through them in relation to what you were just talking about, about, you know, some corroboration, some not. What would you say is the percentage split of corroboration across all sources, excluding the Ramsey books versus contradictory information?
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And also there are two very different viewpoints on the case.
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Yeah, yeah. I couldn't believe I found a picture of Jay.
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From his website for Pasta Jay.
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the only person I cannot find images of as you may have noticed from watching the series as we've gone along Larry Mason that doesn't surprise me he is the only one who has successfully wiped himself from the internet yeah I don't know how he pulled that off but he did And then wait, so really quick. So Kohler and Thomas are very much in agreement. What about Schiller?
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I was going to say, what type of people are we talking about?
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Oh, so he'll cite people without necessarily giving their name.
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It's a little less corroborable. His book is essentially functioning as more of a documentary type source rather than Kohler and Thomas who are functioning basically more like a case report that they would have submitted to a planning officer.
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And then what about Douglas's?
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Yeah. But hey, this is what I'm good at. Hopefully all of the research you do and all of the work we do to put these videos out will generate some level of positive change in one of these things.
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I'm going to hug my girlfriend and attempt to hug the cat.
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Well, that might give me salmonella, though. Yeah, that's true. And the cat's just going to make my face run like a waterfall. That's fair. Good luck. Thanks.
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Like... Was the mag light deemed to not have been the Ramsey's?
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Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like in one of the documentaries that we watched, he affirmed, or it was affirmed, that he had given that to them as like a Christmas present the previous year or something.
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Yeah, I mean, can't say I would blame her. Not surprised. But on the point about the DA, I also think that it's not likely conspiratorial. I think it's more recognized incompetence of his own, where he was more motivated to not have to put in work where he might fail. He knew he'd fail. Yeah, and that's the thing.
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And that's what surprises me about specifically what you were referring to about the grand jury. What was it? The verdict, essentially?
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the indictment that they gave i can't remember the specific wording but it was basically putting a child in danger in a manner that resulted in the child's death it was negligence resulting in death for all intents and purposes which sounds like the smartest thing they could have done because they probably recognize that you can't try this as murder because there's not enough evidence but you can try that a lot of the reasons why certain defenses or even just uh
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prosecutions will fail is because they charge the wrong crime when they don't have enough evidence for it or they you know try and posture a specific defense when they don't have enough evidence for that defense but a good attorney will recognize what evidence they have and don't have and then come up with an appropriate you know classification of legal action that will provide them a most likely victory and that's
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Or at the very least, that they were responsible for the fact that she was put in danger.
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Well, and also the fact that it's locked from the outside was in and of itself a big piece of evidence to indicate.
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I was just going to say, speaking of protocol, the amount of things that were not protocol throughout the entirety of this investigation prior to any documentary covering it whatsoever. Just from what we covered last week and what we're discussing this week in our upcoming video, it's shocking. And like, look, given the circumstances, it makes sense to a certain degree.
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They're seeing a zoomed in version of that. Yeah.
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But the things that happened after the fact, once everybody knew what type of investigation it was, what exactly was happening, who the suspects were and what needed to be done, the continuous levels of either complacency or incompetence that occurred through a variety of different people and organizations is shocking.
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Yeah, all evidence points to some level of familiarity with the environment of the home.
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The problem presented by that is the Anybody who had access or familiarity with the home at the time... Was ultimately cleared. Yes. Other than... Well, I guess technically definitely cleared as the current body of proof stands according to the vast majority of people involved with the case. Yeah. Externally.
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Well, I do have one question for you about the intruder theory that specifically the Netflix documentary brings up at the end. Sure. And that is specifically the John Mark Carr element.
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I don't know. To me, the Netflix documentary was heavily implying that that was supposed to be he was supposed to be the guy.
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It was essentially that he was supposedly, I don't know if he was filling in, but he was teaching in the town or the area at the time. And, you know, he had been familiarized with John Bonnet in some way. Yeah. And not long after he ended up leaving town.
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And that's the other thing. But even if they are. Yeah, that was going to be my follow-up. Even if it is, it doesn't rule them out. But it also, by their argument, doesn't indict them either. Because it's their family.
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Yeah, I think it was, I can't remember which one they said specifically in the CBS documentary it was from, but it was.
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Well, they go over a variety of different points.
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Yeah, one was Dirty Harry. One was something else. I think it was a movie called Ransom or something.
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Oh, and this is also in a town where the first homicide that happened that year was this one. Exactly.
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Yeah, it was the 25th or 6th, depending on who you're talking to.
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Any normal father in that scenario would be calling to cancel the scheduled flight.
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Really? I wonder what bag he was planning on bringing his things to Atlanta with.
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Well, and plus he wouldn't need TSA if it was at a private airport for his private plane.
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Because that was the thing that they harped on in the CBS documentary about the suitcase.
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Oh, yeah, no, no. It definitely wasn't in the suitcase at that point, but I think there may have been a goal or an attempt if we're assuming that the Ramseys were involved.
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Well, yeah, considering his position at... What was it? Asset Graphics? Access Graphics.
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Exactly. And considering that... I think it was that year or the previous year that they had been valued at... That year they did over a billion in sales.
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Yes. Yeah. For legal reasons. Yes. But at that point, essentially, if it was Burke in this scenario that is hypothetical that we're discussing, the parents would be the ones who would get the brunt of the law thrown at them, especially because of the detail that because Burke at that point was under the age of 10, he wasn't even prosecuted for anything.
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Can you elaborate slightly on why that was definitive?
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Or also, if you're a kidnapper, you probably wouldn't wait to write the ransom note... Until you got there? Yeah, with materials from that home.
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Even worse than the MH371 from last year? The MH371, I feel like the stuff that the MH371 could be accused of ignoring...
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And her prince being on the bowl could very easily be explained by her being the one to have put the bowl away after it was washed.
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Yeah, I think that was the reason for the bedwetting, personally.
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I can tell you right now, I mean, for me, when I was about Burke's age, my aunt, who had been like a best friend to me for the year that she had moved back from Florida, I was over there at least once a month, more like a couple times a month. And she literally had become my best friend. It was all happiness, all like, you know, jovial, whatever. She died of cancer.
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And through her like final couple months, she did everything she could to make it fun for me. So you'd have good memories of her. So that I would have good memories of her. For minimum a year after that, I was in a severe depression. Apparently, I used to pray every night, but it made me immediately lose all my faith in God. It was extremely traumatic for me.
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At the time, one of my best friends go from the most... vivacious person I had ever seen to somebody who could barely function in a wheelchair, despite her actively trying to make it fun, you know, I was a wreck. So, and that was an aunt who I considered a close friend at roughly his age. I can't imagine if I had a sister.
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Well, there's also that detail about how many times did she go see the doctor?
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Yeah, well, I mean, the CBS documentary made a great point about the fact that it could have been in the manufacturing process.
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Well, yeah, because wasn't Gary's essentially like whatever I need to do to have a shelter and three meals a day?
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Yep. All right. Let me take a look. I guess while I'm while I'm curating here, you know, final thoughts on the intruder theory. Are there any details or questions that haven't yet been answered from what you've researched so far that you want to with the intruder theory? Yeah. Because, I mean, obviously the the Ramsey theory, you know, is a lot more comprehensive.
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There's still a lot of things that you have to kind of dig through. But from everything that you've looked at so far, are there any, you know, T's not crossed, I's not dotted that you feel are relevant for the intruder theory for the intruder theory? Yeah.
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Interesting. Bubbles look fine on... On Streamlabs. Anyway, so the first question we have that is relevant to specifically the case at hand is from TheCastman777 for $10. Thank you. Thank you. Saying, I've heard that JonBenet, the father or the grandfather, was affiliated with something called North Fox Island, which was a 70s version of the E-Man's Island. Do you know how true these claims are?
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Understandable. My eyesight's gotten bad. Uh... So one question here from Elena the Howler Werewolf Queen for $9.89. Thank you again. Given that four people had keys, could they have had their keys stolen or copied by someone who knew the house well and that's how the supposed intruder got in?
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Yeah, and profiling in this type of scenario is very important. Yeah, specifically, like, criminal profiling, like, psychological profiling. Yeah. Racial profiling, not so much. No, no, no, not at all. The next one's from Miss Maury.
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Yeah, you know, that actually came up in my mind earlier.
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Fair enough. It was Colorado in the 90s, so...
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Miss Maury for $5 says the ladies in chat would like to say that, yes, we can get ready in less than 10 minutes, especially if you grab the clothes you wore the night before.
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Yeah, and I think that's a key. And her hair was done. I think it's a key detail to focus in on is that she was getting ready prior to supposedly knowing anything wrong or bad had happened.
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How long were they supposed to be there?
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You can have private aircraft at larger airports, but it wouldn't... It doesn't make a ton of sense. No, not at all. I will say also, Anthony Tiff for $5 says, something we already covered, but just want to acknowledge it. Do you think that the parents and Burke were in on it or just the parents? I'm torn between the two.
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and then uh elena there is a boulder municipal airport hang on how did we get to new mexico from here what the fuck elena said again for nine dollars uh saying just imagine how differently this case could have been if one the cops had the experience to handle it properly two there was no corruption and three the crime scene was not contaminated yeah
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Yeah, I mean, theoretically possible, but ambitious, assuming it was a six and nine year old. Yeah. like unless you were planning on essentially lifting them out of bed and keeping them sleeping in the car ride.
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Or unless, hypothetically, in a possible otherworld scenario... The things that happened had already happened at that point, and calling the police while contradicting that directive that was in the ransom note ensures that what had already happened would come to be.
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Almost everything about that ransom note struck me in the sense that none of it makes any sense anymore.
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You have to wonder, at this point, given all of these elements against the DA and also his track record even prior to this case coming around... If his behavior during the time frame of this entire case could be considered obstruction of justice.
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No, this very much feels like Hanlon's razor to me.
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Yeah, because he was out of practice and debatable whether or not he was good to begin with. But yeah, I think Occam's razor in this scenario is Hamlin's razor, is never attribute to malice what you can to stupidity or incompetence. Yeah. And I think this DA is a prime example of that. Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, it just generally sounds like a few elected officials within the town of Boulder were really enjoying the fact that they were able to slyly make it seem as though there were very low crime rates and they wanted to keep it that way. And when a real intense and horrific crime that needed to be prosecuted came to their doorstep, none of them had the confidence...
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Really get in and out of a doorway that was locked from the inside that the outside. Well, from the outside of that room, the inside of the home. Oh yeah.
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So in a way in which it would then have to be locked after you've gone through that door from the other side of the door that you've just gone through and then getting in and out of that window that has no disturbance whatsoever on any of the spider.
The Lore Lads
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That implies that Fleet opened the window.
The Lore Lads
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That if it wasn't either of them, then someone would have had to have come into the home between those two times somehow.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Wasn't the house like generally surrounded by cops at that point? Yeah. So a lot of people in there wouldn't, wouldn't have someone have seen someone exit.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Well, your position is unique in the fact that you are a trained historian by trade.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
And then let me clarify this one more time.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Well, that was the other thing I wanted to check was the time that John successfully omitted, successfully, about entering the room. Was that within the new timeline before or after Fleet White checked it out? That was after. Was the chair there when Fleet White checked out the room? Fleet White did not mention a chair.
The Lore Lads
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Odd that he would have entered the room that supposedly had a chair under the knob and wouldn't have acknowledged that a weirdly placed chair that almost seems like it's trying to block the door was there. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
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This all kind of culminates in your point from the beginning of the episode, which is if you're hyper-focusing on a few of the details, to use your own words, are missing the forest for the trees, you have to take all of these things together. Mm-hmm. And when you distill them down into one scenario, what is that most likely scenario?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
You mean to essentially just five or six independent DNA samples that don't match anybody that were at the house or in the area, essentially?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
I will say this is not something that I had previously thought of, but it is something that I think is relevant now that I've thought of it. Given the bedwetting, the doctor visits, the age and the implications of that all existing... There is a non-zero chance that if there is foreign DNA, it may have been from that night at the party.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Because if the kids were on their own at any point, I don't know how many kids were at that party. I don't know what the scenario is.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
whether or not the implication is that it was Burke at any point that does not rule out the possibility that it was or was not someone else.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
You would have a partial, and considering the DNA was partial... You'd have a familiar match.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Because that's the thing, is like, because the DNA in and of itself was incomplete to begin with... That might be an interesting exercise for the Boulder PD to go in with.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
That's the thing. That's not necessarily saying that they are responsible for the murder.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Uh, this one here, uh, glue guns and roses. Oh, what'd they say? Uh, there's been a number of chats.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Uh, yeah, there've been a number of chats, but the one most recently is that, uh, handwriting samples is a real science, but it is debated between professionals. Yeah. Just like doctors will disagree on if JonBenet was hit in the head right before death or hours before. Exactly.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
A couple that like are worth going back to potentially. There's not on topic and they're a little deep. All right. But yeah, most of them were not even readable for this.
The Lore Lads
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uh and we'll particularly in you gone but i haven't seen what you sent yet i just know am i right yeah yeah okay uh also we'll go over the ones that are genuine and good and and i mean they're all good but uh the ones that are readable uh that just weren't directly relevant we'll prioritize those afterwards um her royal pain for five dollars says 33 trips to the doctor would constitute a cps call to the house would it not you'd think uh the doctor did not ever report it hmm
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah, of course. So I guess if we're going to do kind of like here and there. So Alex was asking if you could give him a short excerpt on your boy in the box case who he can clip it for his project. Also, how do you deal with lazy project partners in like, I guess, high school or college, whatever?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Would it usually work out for you? Yeah.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
For which things in the box. Yeah, I think that was about it.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
It sounds sick. Yeah. It sounds like the, it sounds fake. Yeah. It sounds like the premise of, of a series of detective novels.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
I literally just edited that part like two hours ago.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Not only that, but you do all the research, but also I listen to each of these videos minimum of four times. So I heard that over and over again that week. And then, you know, obviously subsequently whenever we talk about it, along with every other case that we do. And, you know, I also do, you provide all of the written sources. You get nice videos.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
I have to go get the videos and the images and then source all of those. So, yeah, I mean, I think it's safe to say that at this point we both we both have been thoroughly desensitized to this kind of stuff for a variety of reasons.
The Lore Lads
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I am by no means a soldier. I have never been to war, anything remotely similar to that. But I understand the dark humor that they get criticized for.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah. Most of the stuff we talk about is so dark that you need to be your own source of light somehow. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Well, and it's also the shocking thing about the Philadelphia Inquirer thing is considering we're in their backyard and we have been born and raised here.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
As would I. Wasua for $10 says, thoughts on this. Intruder gets in, tells John Benny Ramsey, leaves. Burke finds the body. The parents find Burke finding the body, draw exactly the wrong conclusion, and try to protect him by covering it up.
The Lore Lads
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Also, the biggest problem I find there is the timeline.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Next is from glue guns and roses for $10 in reference specifically to, uh, Patsy being dressed saying the kind of rich white lady who only wears dry cleaned clothes that don't go in the hamper and won't be seen in pajamas. They were taking their own plane. That was packed the night before. Gotcha.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
So which I don't mean being packed the night before makes sense. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't know if that detail can be confirmed elsewhere. If you're aware of where that could be confirmed, I think that'd be beneficial for us to have you be willing to let us know. But yeah, that's that's a worth knowing detail.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Elena for $9 says, if one DNA was a white male, do we know the profile of any of the other samples? Are they also white males or are they different?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
No, I hear you. Uh, as a bell for $5 says the evidence, the witnesses are unreliable. I think if it was a parent, the parents would have turned on each other. They would protect the son. They would protect the son. Yeah. Which it lines up essentially with almost all of the evidence that we currently have hypothetically.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Well, for the details, Burke, Patsy, John, what were all of their roles?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Hypothetically. Hypothetically. Landon Harrison for 199 is asking, did either of you ever consider law school?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah, we'll do. Yeah. I figured we would cover those after the relevant ones specifically. Um, hang on. Uh, yeah, I considered it only after watching like Boston legal, uh, and other shows like that where they would do the really baller closing arguments because I always thought they were really compelling. Um,
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
it was always interesting of an idea to me, but at the end of the day, not interesting enough to pursue as a career. Yeah. Um, Eleanor is saying we need to retest all the DNA against everybody. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah. Uh, squinting for four 99 is saying, were any of the friends, kids adopted? Not that I'm aware of. But I get where you're coming from with the possibility that that would then... Yeah, I could see where it could have been coming from. Yep. Elena gave us $10 for the PTSD therapy fund for us. Thank you. Appreciate it. And then Vice Forever for $5.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah. I also I love reading these things specifically because I very much enjoy the people who in those scenarios, they know exactly what's happening to them. So for that, like last question that you said was asked, the dream scenario in my mind would be that the person on the stand would say to the prosecutor or the defendant.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yes, I've arrested people who were found innocent or specifically to that. Specifically, that last question would be like, I'm sorry, sir. Are you confused? You just contradicted the last question you asked me.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah, hang on. So I got to scroll up a little bit because we've gotten more. Oh, boy. Vice Forever for $5 says, can't wait for this to come out. Thank you so much for your hard work. Okay, so if the sun hit and the dad choked and the mother wrote, then what about the essay? Wait, reread that?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
It's not considering that's standard practice.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
nope like cc anarchy for five dollars asking uh where weird bible questions can be submitted i would say on weird bible yeah either on weird bible when we actually do it or uh email the lore lodge at gmail.com you can always comment on a video over there like we can see super chats even if they're just left as comments yeah there are super comments and things now like so we can see those things if you leave them yeah like i think it's a super thanks or something yeah
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
And then for the moment, I'll scroll back up because there was one not directly relevant Super Chat that was for $106. Big thank you on that. And it's from Michael P. and wanted to say, I noticed, especially when he, quote, played Delilah. Oh, wait. Okay. uh, that, uh, Mr. Thornberry may share a rare talent with Mr. Howard Stern.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Uh, Stern can do serious interviews in which he makes the guests forget that they're being interviewed, unleash this talent at some point with one-on-one interviews on the channel. Uh, I, I will say for, I appreciate the compliment very much. Um, for the series that we may be doing on weird Bible, where we're going and interviewing different, uh, clergy, uh,
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
men uh from different faiths or at least different sects of christianity at the very least um i don't know who's necessarily going to be answering the questions or how frequently mattis will be able to do it compared to me uh based off of researching schedule versus you know we're trying to get me involved in more production and more shows so we can provide you guys more content uh so i may just be doing that with other hang on
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
If anything, it's points for him being both intelligent and capable, especially when being grilled by lawyers.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah, it's not being mean. It's just being factual. It's just the truth.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
So, ODD, Car Garage, and Damon Mahan, appreciate the compliments there. Just a couple, like, general compliments. Much appreciated. What, for you? About your hair? Well, there have been a couple of people saying I look like Legolas, which I think is really entertaining.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Well, and it's entertaining to me considering I'm in the middle of a first time watch for Lord of the Rings because the only other time we watched it or I watched it. I kind of put him through the gauntlet on that one. That was my bad. He put me through the extended version all in a row gauntlet in high school before I knew anything about Lord of the Rings.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
And I enjoyed it at the time, but I remembered absolutely none of it. and I started watching them with Kat, and before even knowing who it was, I was like, oh, that character. That's who I like. I'm going to like this guy. And then, of course, he ends up being a ranger. I'm like, I dig rangers. This is it. I...
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
It's a shame that I didn't watch this when I was younger because I would have made this my entire personality. I like this dude a lot. And then they reveal it's Aragorn and I'm like, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense a lot. So ironically, you say I look like Legolas considering I'm full send on Aragorn.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Anyway, so yeah, that, and then specifically ODD Car Garage was saying, love the dedicated research on the topics. Fairly new subscriber, but keep up the great work. Thank you. Big thank you. And then Damon Mahan for 1999 says, Aiden is a cutie, no specificity on which, so it could be either of us. So we're both going to take that as a compliment. Thank you.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
We're two and a half hours in. A bunch of people demanding the calendar. Okay, we're working on it. And then there were two more serious ones...
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
yeah here they are so Anthony Tiff for $5 says I lost my father at 14 years old and it was extremely tragic and unexpected I did not laugh I am now 20 and I still tear up when I think about it which is yep you know the normal response from a human being with emotions yep And then The Mangled Wither for $20 right after that. Thank you very much, but is also somewhat relevant to that.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Saying, I have a couple questions. Last year, my dogs Luke and Toy, I believe, died, and it hasn't gotten easier, and I blame myself for their death. My question is, does he get better? Second question is, the cult navy, may I have a Viking longboat? First of all, I'm very sorry. Do not blame yourself because that's not fair to yourself and it's just inaccurate.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Two, yes, obviously you can have a Viking longboat. More than welcome, more than happy to have it. But for your side on the other element of it... What was the other element? Sorry.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah, I've never had a pet, so... Yeah, it's...
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
um the 18.99 for 10 says howdy from south dakota you might find it interesting that we have a lakota bigfoot legend of of a bigfoot with the ability to mimic voices and animal calls to lure people to their deaths called takuhe huh Howdy from South Dakota.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
You might find it interesting that we have a Lakota Bigfoot legend of a Bigfoot with the ability to mimic voices and animal calls to lure people to their deaths called the Takuhe.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
No, but I mean, think about how much land in the U.S. is not even remotely investigated.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah. Even if they did, I mean, think about, like, we don't... There would have been fewer of them. We don't do preliminary archaeological digs before, like, a new Walmart's built.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
True. Well, the ones who are decent and report it.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
So, you know, and there is so much construction that happens on a daily basis in this country. Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. J.A. Kell for $20 just said, ever thought of looking into the Black Dahlia? I think there's anything to look into. I'm not familiar with it. Are you?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
And then kind of a sad one, but worth noting, Mo Fox for $5 says, I lost my best friend to the S word when I was 13. And honestly, I've always joked about it, but it's still something I cry about. People are crazy. Yeah, I mean, that's... I remember there was something that happened in middle school. There was a kid who did that.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
And I remember it was across the school, a wide variety of different responses to that. So, I mean, no one can blame you for grieving in your own way. Middle school? Was that Springfield?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Ah, fair enough. Yeah. Lorelei, for $100, thank you very much, said, I'm behind on tonight's stream, but I wanted to thank you guys for everything you've done. I found you and binged all of the videos. I love watching the growth over time and how you've been open to new information and changed opinions based on that.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah, definitely not. No, we we pride ourselves on getting the right information and the right version of the story. So, you know, if things come up that contradict a previous hypothesis. Yep. We're going to change. Mm hmm. Emerald Queen for $4.99 says, as someone who just lost your goldfish of 10 years, I'm sorry for your loss. It's never easy to lose a loved one.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Understandably so. I'll be sad. Yeah. Jamo, well done on making me chuckle there at saying for $2, I wasn't paying any attention. Can you repeat everything?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Fitting. Yeah. Her Royal Pain for $10 says, I was in high school when a murder happened to a sophomore and his killer was never tried, but everyone knows who did it. Rip Christian Nodge, didn't know you, but you were a remembered kid.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah. Uh, as a bell for $2 says, yeah, you said hypothesis. Uh, Jeff D for $2 says, uh, hope you guys get invited on unsubscribe podcast.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
You begin to understand why so many of the actors and other creative people. Oh, I get it, yeah. Yeah, they have all that because, you know, creative people just, nope.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Would Ainsley be interested in being your personal assistant?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
So you don't go through what you went through yesterday.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
It's more than justified at this point. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah. Beck Farrell said for five dollars my cousin OD'd on purpose after four years clean it's two years I still cry at times yeah understandable so sorry yeah that I that's how we lost one of them that's tough it was heroin rough which sucks because he really was like better like he was doing a lot better really yeah
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Well, we had some fun and funny ones earlier on, but they don't feel quite appropriate. But it is also 9.39. Yeah.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
I look forward to bringing that bookshelf up here, putting it back there, and having all the books that you've researched with, the one that's downstairs. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and we'll start putting all the books that you've used for research on that, and just progressively get it bigger and bigger. This room's going to be so full of books, man. It's going to be great. It'll be great sound editing.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Fair. I will say, because it is supposedly his birthday tomorrow. Okay. I will read Jamos. Okay. Because he sent two. One is, drink up your milk, boys. I'm turning 20 tomorrow. Congrats.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Mattis asks for video ideas. I say berserk lore video or bete du givaudan? Gibaldon? East of Gibaldon. The Glaucus of Glastonbury, Connecticut would be a fun one to do as well. And then he asked Thornbussy, what do your elf eyes see? What do they see? A very pretty man. Oh, thank you. We're never beating the allegations.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
We have progressively getting closer and closer to that. Yeah, it's true. Go us. Go us. Living the dream. All right. It's pretty impressive for our history that things just continue to get better. Yeah, that's kind of nice. It is. All right. Well, you can, in fact, do it. You can do it.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah. Oh, I get that too. I barely play any video games at all anymore. I'm with friends.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
One last question because somebody had asked earlier, too. Any updates on Sebastian Rodgers? Not at the moment.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
It's also not a common occurrence for a kidnapping scenario to, within the first 24 hours... Turn into a homicide investigation. Where the body is found within the home from which it was supposedly kidnapped. Like, it makes sense that certain things did not fall into places they should have, but it's unfortunate.
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Do you think we're going to be doing an update on this case when the one-year anniversary of it comes around?
The Lore Lads
The Night JonBenét Died | Podcast Episode 150
Yeah, it's a real chipper, upbeat channel you guys watch. But we are grateful that you watch nonetheless.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump voters FREAK OUT on Him over CANCELED INAUGURATION
What's your reaction to that? So we're not gonna get to see it in person then, is that correct? That's right. Well, I don't like it. I mean, we came all the way from Washington from Oklahoma, and now we're not gonna get to see it. We might as well stay home and watch it on TV. It sucks.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump voters FREAK OUT on Him over CANCELED INAUGURATION
Let me rephrase that.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump voters FREAK OUT on Him over CANCELED INAUGURATION
Yeah, it's actually something that we've been looking forward to for historical purposes and being a part of it. That's once in a lifetime. Absolutely. We made all the plans, all the arrangements to come up and be a part of this event. And all of a sudden to hear that it's being moved indoors. We're prepared for the weather. It's not a problem. It's kind of like a bummer.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump voters FREAK OUT on Him over CANCELED INAUGURATION
It is, yeah. It's holding our heart, nobody. We have farms and we don't get to not feed the cows because it's cold.
The Tim Dillon Show
444 - Qatar, Kanye, & The Gift Of Luxury
We could play it, but I might need to bleep out some of the words.
The Tim Dillon Show
444 - Qatar, Kanye, & The Gift Of Luxury
I think they met when she was 19, but let me check.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
163. Dean Graziosi: The ‘7 Levels Deep’ Exercise That Transformed His Life And It Can Transform Yours!
I love it.
The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
163. Dean Graziosi: The ‘7 Levels Deep’ Exercise That Transformed His Life And It Can Transform Yours!
Yes.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
okay i gotta do a test right now i know we're getting lunch after this ginger where do you want to get lunch at well i was gonna say whatever you want whatever you want hey make a decision right now is that the right what do you want what do you want you know it depends on the day what i want is sushi that i can't have no but i can have baked rolls
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
There we go.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
I just about knocked this mic down.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Oh my gosh.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
And even the other day, confession time.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Can you imagine?
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
It's possible.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
It's actually Jana John.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Oh, okay.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
No. There are two more in between Joy.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
I didn't say them already.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
She just said that.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Yeah.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
I mean, I don't know what shows I'd work on, but... I think I'd have to choose one that, yeah, maybe is not so close to home.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Like a little different niche, maybe.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
100%.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
And I'm standing on my tiptoes, like, trying to hold the cart and laying my entire body on there, trying to, like, pull the thing back down. And, oh, wait. Here we go.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
It's so great. This is it. But.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
She was an hour from the hospital. No. Yeah. No, no, no.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Mm hmm.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Right.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Yeah.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
So it's like, like explaining to her, like, you're not, we're both done for this.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Yep, that's exactly it. Yeah.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
I don't even know. Oh my gosh.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
I don't know.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
I don't know. Wait, Jeremy, please.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
No, Jeremy. I have a guess. Jeremy. I literally don't know.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
I might be just as bad as her. I'm hoping to get baby one. Okay, okay. That was the one I was confident about. Nope, nope. Wait, what was number two? I'm definitely in big trouble now.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Sounds a little familiar.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. No clue. There's so many hints in there.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
oh that one the wizard of oz it's only because he said that because i've only watched it once okay what about to be fair i wasn't really into that movie i was like halfway checked out she's like it wasn't my favorite it wasn't my thing can i do this one okay what movie is this quote from Sounds like Jeremy snoring.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Lightsabers? No. R2-D2. R2-D2. I don't know. Iron Man. Where are we going?
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
This is how few.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
The big dog.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Because there's like the jungle dance movie the kids are watching and it sounds like it. Jungle dance movie? Jungle book? Not jungle book, but you're really close.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Yes, yes, yes. But see, I'm bad with names. That's okay. Can I just blame this on pregnancy?
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
I know this. I know this. I know this. I feel like she'd get that one.
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
She's pregnant. What are your thoughts on saying you guys are pregnant or we're pregnant?
The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Jinger Duggar: Family Secrets, People Pleasing & Fleeing Stalkers
Right.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. Thank you, Alec. Best of luck. Give Kelly our best and thank you for your heroism. Thanks guys. All right. Take care, buddy. Well, on a more positive note, obviously, still with tragedy, friends of the show, Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag, they also sadly lost their house.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
But in a kind of twist of positivity, Spencer trying to raise money to help pay for their lost house, asked fans to support his wife's hit song, I'll Do It, and the fans pulled through.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
it's a really cool story uh we want to we want to keep supporting it they're number one on itunes now i i think we're trying to get them also to number one on spotify and on the billboard charts as a whole the job is not done uh we still need to go out and try to support heidi and spencer's song i mean for one we just want to support them they literally lost their house and two i mean it's it's a
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
It's a good story. And we need stories like this of inspiration and positivity in the face of tragedy. And it's been really cool to see their fans and their supporters come together to support Heidi and their song. And it's a catchy song. And a lot of other celebrities and Rada posted about it being like, it's the new song of the summer. It's going to be the 2025 song of the summer.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Flavor Flav is supporting it Pitbull said that he's going to drop a verse on it too Pitbull so I mean it's we're really we're really going here and it's really taking off it's cool too because Heidi had a quote back in 2010 where she said if this album doesn't blow up next week maybe it's next year maybe it's like 14 years later I think she said that when we were when they were here yeah she said it again that's just always been her that's always been her kind of approach you never really know
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
No, it's devastating. I mean, you know, adults, I mean, even adults, like when you're talking to Alec, I mean, it's, he seems to be trying to have a positive spin, but this is traumatic and it's terrible and it affects you. But when you have, for the kids.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Old enough to remember, I think, so.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
So, Justin, what is the name of the album if they want to go buy the whole album? Superficial. Superficial. So whether it's on iTunes, Spotify, wherever you want, go support Heidi and Spencer and download Heidi's hit song. I'll do it.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Or stream it.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Just listen.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Give it five stars. Speaking of the assholes out there, I posted about it I think the other day and then a couple people were like, oh, it's only got two stars. Literally go fuck yourself. No one cares about the stars. It's number one. How many of y'all had a number one song? I haven't.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I have in my heart.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
There you go. Anyways, on a not so positive note, Justin got a parking ticket during the fires.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. Can I have a little second on this?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
You can do it. Justin, take a second.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I've decided this is the hill I'm going to die on. Basically, my partner had to evacuate the Hollywood area. Mandatory evacuation during the sunset fire. Came to my house that night. I moved my car out of my parking spot onto the street so he could have it. Just as timing wise.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And you're just a good lover.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And my good lover. I wake up and I move my car two minutes after the like street sweeping sign, whatever notice. I get a ticket. Two minutes after. During the evacuations, mandatory evacuations, there's ash falling from the sky. So first of all, I'm like, what are we sweeping? First of all, what are you sweeping? There's not a single car in sight sweeping the streets.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Also, what are you going to sweep? And then I'm like, and so now we're ticketing people, victims of the fire that are evacuating because you told them to evacuate. I saw a picture the other day that's... It was someone who evacuated from Palisades, put a sign in their car on the window that said, just evacuated last night from the Palisades. Please do not ticket. That's crazy.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
They ticketed, put the ticket right on top of the sign.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Are you kidding me?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah, so it's like, yeah, I saw that. I mean, I contested the ticket and I'm willing to use these words. I said, it's extremely inhumane and ignorant to be ticketing people while you're telling them to evacuate. That.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Is there any other inspirational stories that we could share?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
We appreciate them.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I've never been so proud to live in L.A. Same. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
All right. Household headlines.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Before we get into household headlines, I need a follow up on the fast, Nick.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
It was successful. I lasted three days of no eating. And on the fourth day, I did fruit all day. What? What?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He wasn't making his girl dinner while he was on his fast?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
On the last night, I did pick up John and Vinny's for her.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And that was a hard car ride home.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Let me tell you. With a delicious pepperoni pizza, just...
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I understood, but day three was better. I tell you what, listen, again, I am not offering medical advice out there for anyone, to be clear. But yeah, I found it to be very beneficial for me. It really helped with inflammation. I feel like... Spell knees? Just a little less puffy.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
But yeah, it's also most importantly, there's a lot of things I haven't had any sugar since I haven't had any coffee since. And I also haven't indulged in, you know, any extracurricular activities ever since.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. So on Friday I did like a fruit cleanse and then I ate a real dinner on Friday night. So in three days without eating anything. And then I had like a bunch of oranges all day of Friday. And then we had kale salad Friday night. And then the weekend I ate like a normal person. But like more than anything, it helps with cravings.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
So it kind of cleanses your body of like cravings for like sugar and anything else might be slightly addicted to.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
um like caffeine or you know other stuff and i've been pretty clean ever since so yay for me next next headline is us weekly source says and it's natalie yeah i love how that turned into news in the midst of uh i can't believe that was news in the midst of the city burning yeah but once again i'm not offering medical advice but they also called it controversial Like fasting isn't controversial.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
So stupid.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
People fast all the time for many different reasons.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Fasting is very healthy for you. Again, talk to your medical professional if you want to. I fasted without consent.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I think it's something that we need to know. Fasting, that is not okay.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Natalie's selling herself short. While she doesn't cook for us, she is an excellent cook for our daughter, River. She makes the best girl dinners for River. Like every meal, River has this little, cute little girl dinner and it's got like a little protein, a little vegetable, maybe some cottage cheese. It's really, I mean, our daughter eats well. She does.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, we are okay.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Friends of Stephen's are on the phone with her. I don't know. It's tough. And then Stephen's stepdaughter, her first daughter that Stephen adopted, spoke out, which... I guess my only response to that is I'm really sad that a 16 year old has to be put into this.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I mean, maybe whether it's her choice or not, but I feel uncomfortable that a 16 year old is participating in this very public family drama. Uh, that's really all I have to say about that. I know she gave some explanations as to why she was, you know, she was very much defending her mom, but I don't know, man.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
You know what's not helpful? Your criticisms.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Uh, like, and then this leaked video, Allison is talking to, you know, uh, allegedly a friend of, of Stevens and she did not back down from making her, his family sign an NDA. I don't know. Justin, you seem to understand it. I don't understand it. I just don't know how you make his mom sign an NDA. I'm not talking about extended family. I'm not talking about cousins or people you don't know.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And she didn't back down. I just feel like the only way you make someone's mother whose son just passed away sign an NDA, either they're not close at all or you're out of touch.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I don't know. It just... I don't know if understands the right word for me, but I can see that I think there's two sides to this in the sense of once her daughter spoke out, it was very much like his family wasn't close to him. There's all these people leaking headlines, saying things when they weren't even around him when he was alive and aren't around him now.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And it's like she very much said that The NDAs were something that was agreed upon before he passed. It was like every event they hosted, there was always NDAs.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
That's a weird thing to say. She asked him to sign them for parties, comparing a party to a funeral.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, she said the reason Allison had the NDA was because she didn't want people to be taking pictures of the body. That was the one thing during this time that she didn't want headlines to be like publishing photos.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
If she wants to take a photo of her son in a casket, she should have every right. And like, I don't know, like her daughter speaking out, I'm assuming she is just speaking the rhetoric of her mom. Like, I don't know. It's just.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, she's obviously going to want to support her mom when her mom's going through it.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I do want to clarify, too. She said that not everybody signed the NDA. So it wasn't like she asked everyone to sign. She asked everyone to. Her mom was lenient because she understood that it was like the like the situation was someone lost her life. Like it wasn't. She was forcing people is what the daughter said.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
His mom did speak out before Allison apologized and before the daughter spoke out.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I mean, just fame affects people in all sorts of different ways. And it's just a weird thing.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I do know Austin's apology included promoting her book and the foundation that she started to. So I know people are criticizing that as well.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
No, to her foundation that she runs. Which, I don't know, it doesn't not still create questions. Questions, yes. Yeah. At best, it just gives a little bit out of touch. It gives like, you don't understand our world, and this is why we did what we did, but he has passed.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Without the permission of anyone else in deciding that it's, you know, the buck stops with you.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And we've talked about this. We obviously have met Allison and have nothing but very positive experiences with Allison. And I think it's safe to say that she had the best intentions. But we know that sometimes you can have the best intentions and still deserve criticism. And sometimes you can have the best intentions.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And you can still like reflect and maybe acknowledge that like you could have done things differently. The hardest part for me was listening to that leak video and have her at the end very steadfast or very kind of like defiant being like, I would do it again over and over and over referencing asking her, his mom to sign an NDA. And I just like, in what world,
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
At this point, could you not just say, hey, maybe that wasn't the best choice? I mean, in that same video, she talked about how people have praised her for how she's handled this. I don't know who they is. I'm assuming she's talking about the Internet or like her agents or friends. I don't know. But like certainly none of Stephen's family is praising her for how she's handled this.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And I think close or not, like that's not an excuse to not be considerate to how this is affecting people outside of her world. It's a tough story. And I hate that it's happened for this family. I hate that it's happened for Allison and her family. And I hate that her 16-year-old daughter is forced into this drama. It's a tough situation.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Big difference.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He's getting the Honda Accord.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I think he got the Honda Accord. I feel like Rachel put that in there on purpose, the Honda Accord.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. Just so you know, after we're divorced, he's driving a Honda Accord.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
So basically, he'll get the Miami condo. She's going to get the LA home in North Hollywood. Both of them are keeping their wedding bands and watches, presumably gifts that they gave to each other. She'll keep the engagement ring and paintings from The Bachelorette.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And then basically, per the settlement, the $39,771 she has already paid to her ex-husband, his spousal support will be deducted from the payment, which is the $500,000, leaving Lindsay with a total of $460,229 owed to him. And the first half of the payment, which is $230,114.50, must be paid to him by January 17th.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I mean, it is what it is, I guess. I don't know. It's a lot of money.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
This is why it's rumored that Noah Baumbach, Greta Gerwig's husband, made Madagascar because he was going through a divorce.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
so what a great I know I know it's just like funny it's funny when like people he's like I'm gonna make this Madagascar movie and then like box office fucking hit yeah classic it's like I think it might have been Madagascar 3 I don't remember but it's just funny because people talking context yeah it did It's funny because people talk about the dumb stuff people will do to pay off their divorce.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
But then to see the numbers right up front of you and see the time frame, you're like, oh, yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I'd make Madagascar 3-2. I would make Madagascar 3-2. And Rachel Lindsay, whatever you need to do, I'm going to support you in doing that.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
well speaking of poorly timed clapback zach bryan finally decided to speak out uh uh amidst the breakup uh between him and uh brianna i think it was valid i think this was valid timing i think this during the fire oh i mean he what he doesn't live in california he's not like he referenced the fire he referenced the fire he's just using a lot of words that are just like pr train yourself all i
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, he he was very silent, kind of almost shockingly silent, like just she was out there saying he did this, he did that, blah, blah, blah. And he was out there posting like my dog in my truck. Yeah. Just like nothing's going on, you know, which I think a lot of people found triggering. And then, you know, as Natalie pointed out, I didn't realize that was going on. The Internet was toxic.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
What stuck out to me was whether you think I suck or not, stopping such a sad and fat fingered internet sleuth to my friends.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He was just choosing words that I'm like, I feel like we got to PR train this a little more, but you're clearly passionate about defending your friend.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He is protecting his friends, but did not want to protect his girlfriend at the time, which, you know... I feel like the best thing to do in these situations is like, let's say, okay, for the Zach Bryan thing, he does this. It's shitty. Stop talking about him. Don't give him the spotlight. Don't give him the time of day. That's what's so confusing. Don't give him more attention after this.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Let him fade off and then write his sad little songs about it. Yeah, they'll never get that.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Like there's people who you're like, yeah, I don't know how you guys feel because there's a there's an eeriness of like, are we supposed to look like Act normal now. Like, what is the protocol here? You wake up each day. Some days there's clouds in the sky. Some days it's like the skies are clear. Yeah, it's very uncertain here.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah, she's still digging. She's definitely not taking the high road. She doesn't have to take the high road. No, she absolutely does not. But she is feeling the fire and she is not choosing peace. And, you know, she can do whatever the fuck she wants, but like...
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
You know, at this point, you know, it's his friends being harassed is like that's that crosses a lot of lines. Yeah, it was really bad. It was really bad.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I feel like Brianna has said what she needed to say. And at this point, if she is saying more, it's. You know, it's hard not to assume she's capitalizing on said breakup.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. Do you think her dad thinks that she's going to be OK in the breakup? Because Tom Holland's dad. I was like, I actually don't know anything about her dad. I've never heard of Tom Holland's dad is confident actors relationship with Zendaya will last despite strain of, quote, combined stardom.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
As he should. He said this on his Patreon. He has a... That's the funniest thing to me. I don't know what the Patreon is or what they sell, but like... He's working.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
If I'm Tommy Spider-Man, I'm going to be like, Dad, I got you.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I don't think you need a Patreon.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Okay, but Patreon, maybe he has like a passion project that he's working on that like, you know, he wants to make, he wants to be independent of his son financially.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
That still requires an answer.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Maybe he's excited. Listen, he said, OK, well, he said, I do fret that their combined stardom will amplify their spotlight and the commensurate demands on them. And yet they continually confound me by handling everything with aplomb. What are these words?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He's British.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Show business is a messy place for relationships and particularly so for famous couples as they crash and burn in public and are too numerous to mention. With Nikki helming this family and my wisdom on tap and a study in getting things mostly wrong and yet somehow right at the same time, I am completely confident they will make a successful union.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
They love each other. If my parents started a Patreon, that would give me the greatest amount of anxiety. So props to Tom for even being able to be okay with that.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Props to Tom's dad for using the word aplomb.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
There you go. I love it. And also props to Tom Sandoval for hiring a lawyer again. For his own sake.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, he just kept probably saying object. And they said that that doesn't apply here. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah, it's and for us, like, you know, now I mentioned like we now packed like a like a to go back. This particular fire has been a historical travesty, but like it's it's obviously got out of control. There's a lot of dialogue about how that happened. But like for it to have gotten as close as it was, was terrifying.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Do you think it's because he's on this like rebrand tour with traders?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I don't know.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He's trying to rehabilitate his image. How is his image on trade? I don't know. But it's Tom's logic.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I don't know if there's a rebrand. Tom is consistent.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
All right. Up next, the icon herself, Dorinda.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
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The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
because in all the years that I've lived here, we are aware of the fires going on, you know, but for, for people in LA, you just, where we lived, it was never really something that we had to worry about. And now that we do, it's, it's a new, everyone in LA is just not sure what's going on. And then you have reports of arson, you know, a lot of these fires have been started by arsonists.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
How are you doing?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Dorinda, right off the bat, I just want to say I aspire to be able to have that life someday. So thank you for that goal.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, you look great, if I may say so.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, first of all, we're so happy you're here, but so devastated, as is all of Bravo Nation. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
No, I was also raised Catholic. I also don't read comments, so maybe that's where it comes from. Yeah, we love that.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I think it's because you're a star. I mean, I think you're the brightest star in the room. Well, I think that early, I don't know. I don't know why people made the decisions. Did you ever hear why you got voted off from the traitors?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
It's a really scary time. And, and yeah, so obviously think about everyone affected, but you make a great point. Like I just, I, I don't know. That's just the Internet. Everyone wants to jump on and have an opinion, especially when they're not even here. Like, you don't even know what's going on.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, I was wondering about that because so much about traders really has become this almost this fashion show, really. I mean, everyone's very well dressed, this great style. Everyone kind of has their own taste on, you know, what the appropriate attire is for being in a castle in Scotland.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
It really seemed like the housewives in general had a bit of a target on their back. Ayaan, like you said, she also got voted off early.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
How long were you sitting on those rafts before they picked you up?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
It was so funny. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Because if they posted, they donated.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, I mean, you know, you you you are our star. You've been a star on this network for a long time. We haven't had the pleasure of seeing you in a minute. We all get excited that you get casted on. Everyone's tuning in and then you're gone.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, I don't know if he accused you or anything, but I mean, fans, you know, I have it.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. Let us know. She's causing a scene.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, I mean, like you said, you don't read comments and, you know, and fans are fanatic. And this show, they love to like use the word murder in a weird kind of literal kind of way. And they take it very seriously. And I don't doubt that many of your fans are...
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I also think there's a misconception that it's only rich people being affected by these fires where it's like these are people that have inherited homes that couldn't even afford to buy this home currently or like just normal people in general.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Now, wait a second.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I was honestly shocked that Bob didn't know. It's crazy.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I have a very important question. As someone who's been asked to do this show before, how is the food there?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Could barely afford the property taxes. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Who did you, did you have any ideas from the time that you were there?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
So it's like it's everybody.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Nikki.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I think Sandoval would reveal himself.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
There really are no surprises with Tom. He is very transparent.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
You know what you're getting with Tom. I don't know how anyone can ever act surprised.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, kind of living in Neverland in a little bit.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I mean, well, we are here. Yeah, it's it's devastating.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
All Tadita and Pasadena are just like normal communities that have just been like absolutely devastated. Yeah. I've seen like as far as like the community in L.A., just like enormous amounts of like empathy and care for each other, which is kind of like, I guess, in a really messed up way, like some sort of silver lining of this.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Thankfully, we are OK.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
One of the people who have really kind of popped this season is Dylan, Zac Efron's brother. Did you get a chance to get to know him at all?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Brittany.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
How old is he? Do we know?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
30? Okay. I wonder if him and Tom became friends. I could see that happening.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And meanwhile, Brittany's like, you know, stars need, you know, relationship advice too.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I get help to mother. That's the problem. Well, as a mother, how did you feel that all of the other castmates ate without you on the raft and left you there? That was terrible.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
They're just trying to kick all the ladies off into the rafts.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Have you talked to your friend Luanne in a while?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Have basic empathy for people who have gone through like utter destruction and the worst thing that could happen.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
That's amazing. Right now, Luann's name is getting thrown around in Southern hospitality. I'm not sure if you're aware about this because she allegedly, did Luann spill any tea? Do we know if she, did they, didn't they? Like, did they?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
You know what I mean? Well, I mean, she could still sing.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Teresa.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Vicky, Shannon.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Makes great TV.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
What's next for you? Do you think we might get a chance to see you on maybe like a trip?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
When is that going to happen?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I'm rooting for it because honestly, Vanderpump Villa was an absolute trash bag of a show.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
There's a lot of crazy stories out there. We do have a great episode coming up. We do have Dorinda from Traders joining us later this episode. Sadly, if you are watching Traders, we are. We're going to talk about it, obviously, with Dorinda. Really entertaining. Sadly, Dorinda was already voted off. Lots of discussions and dialogue on that. But she joins us later in the show.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. It also just wasn't good. I never watched it.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
That's too bad.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I love Jenna. Yeah, we know. Mary loves Jenna, but everyone loves Jenna. But we don't love Jenna on TV. I don't, at least. They're boring.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Oh, that's amazing.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Dorinda, thank you so much for taking the time. We really appreciate it.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Oh, well, I think you're being very honored. Next time you do make it out to L.A., whether you have a press trip or you're just visiting, let us know. We'd love to bring you into the studio. Dorinda, you're absolutely the best. We really appreciate you. Enjoy the rest of your day and hopefully we'll talk soon. All right. Take care.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Thanks for having me. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye, Icon.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
This is obviously a very tragic time for L.A. and there's a lot of sad stories. But we do want to try to focus on more positive stories. I mean, there's not much positives. There's always, you know, but there have been some community members that have been heroes dealing with this tragedy. And one of them, his name is Alec Gellis. His girlfriend, Kelly, sadly lost her house.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
How do you make your kale salad?
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Absolutely.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Dorinda, we have the same recipe.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. I make it once a week.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Amazing. I put diced garlic in mine, Parmesan cheese, and then we will, we'll, we'll make some chicken cutlets and put a little chicken in it and have a little chicken kale salad.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Dorinda, let's do a cooking show together.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
All right, let's cook. All right, we'll see you in the kitchen. All right.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He has been fighting fires. He had to deal with the Franklin Fire that was a few weeks ago to try to save his house and a few of his neighbors' houses. And then when this fire happened, he was once again fighting fires and literally putting his life on the line. Sadly, his girlfriend lost her house in the fire.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
We love a housewife who doesn't know how to hang up. We love a housewife. But just the energy she brings, you know what I'm saying? Like just like it's such a different vibe.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick. We are safe and sound, thankfully. It's been a wild, wild few days here in L.A. Obviously, everyone in the country and the world knows about the fires. It really has been.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Like made for television.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Right.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Like I need it. Just absolutely genuinely herself and made for TV.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. No filter. No. Comfortable with who they are. Yes. Doesn't really care. Say it. Great energy.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
As she says, she makes things nice.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
traders in general really enjoying the first three episodes i don't know if you guys have uh all watched it i highly recommend you guys catch up on on traders that it's very entertaining it's a good cast like we mentioned we wells adams also was voted off i was shocked about that disappointed did you he didn't tell you anything i knew he got voted off i mean it was like such a misunderstanding and it happened so fast and it was like they were so neck and neck at the table and like
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He came for Robin. He put an unnecessary trigger on his back.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He just made the critical error of taking on Robin.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I don't know much about the strategy of traitors other than if you come in with a reputation, don't add to it with coming in with a strong opinion early on. Fly under the radar. Make friends. And that's why I'm shocked that Wells got voted off so early because if Wells is anything, he's affable, he's likable. He can talk to a brick wall. He knows how to work a room.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He knows how to be everyone's friend. So I was shocked.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
She loved him. Was it Dolores? Oh, no. This is when Aion got voted off. When Dolores picked up her picture and was like, that's my friend.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
She picked up Dorinda's too, yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. But when Wells got voted off and she was like, he was the only person.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I will say I love Chanel Ion and she's a very emotional person. Why are they all calling her Ion? I don't know. Yeah, because Dubai is also owned by Peacock originally and it was Chanel Ion. But they're saying Ion Chanel. It's very confusing.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Maybe she just made a motto. It's interchangeable. It's Scotland. She's rebranding in a new country.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Oh, Chanel is a brand name. There we go. There we go. We figured it out. She's branding herself.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Who do you guys think the best trader is?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Carolyn.
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Oh, my God. Okay, so I don't know much about Survivor, but I saw a fan cam of Boston Rob when he was young. The guy was hot.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah, he was dreaming.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I did not know that a man named Boston Rob could be a heartthrob.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Especially kind of showing up middle-aged-ish. It looks fine. Looks lovely.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And I'm like, I love you.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I love it. I did watch his Survivor season.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I was obsessed with him. Yeah, me too.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah, he's got dreamy eyes. Dylan, he's, well, first of all, he's the first one to identify a traitor. He suspected Bob the Drag Queen was a traitor for all the right reasons.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
It was definitely an act of bravery that he put out, and he is so gracious enough to join us and share a little bit of his story. So welcome to the show, Alec. Hey, Alec. Welcome to the show. How you doing, man?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
It's just like Gabby's like, it's anyone but Bob.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
we're all just like really good looking and best dressed and like we're the funniest people here I love smoked salmon we're probably the smartest I love the little olives I love talking shit and goat cheese I love goat cheese and I love talking shit I love her so much she's just a walking soundbite and I love it so much she's so funny oh my god
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Chrishell.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Chrishell's such a TV pro. She really is. She's like, in case anyone forgot, she's like, I'm going to let everyone watching this show know that you cheated on your ex.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. You're a dick. I don't like you. Alan being like, and how would you feel to be betrayed, Tom?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He also had a cardigan that he chose to take off and then...
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He's so good at TV, though. I don't think we appreciate Tom Sandoval being on TV as much as people should.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I hate him.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
How could none of the faithful suspect that at least one of the newbies might be a traitor? I don't understand that.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, Derek did. Derek said at least one of us is going to be a traitor.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Oh, so then why isn't he, you know, he's a gamer.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I don't know. He's probably keeping his car.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He's not saying anything. He's just not saying anything.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Nice to meet you as well. We are okay. Obviously, first off, we want to start by giving you our condolences. Kelly, obviously your girlfriend, she couldn't be with us. She lost her house, but you've been dealing with some pretty sad tragedy over the past few weeks. So we just first and foremost appreciate you taking the time, man.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Watching the way he was working Tony in that round table. Woo!
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
oh that's in a chill when he left and he was like you dirty you're a sellout bro you're a sellout that like hurt my heart oh my gosh he's playing the game yeah he is and for bob bob's gaslighting impeccable skills i will say was incredible the thing is dylan chose to go up against a housewife and a drag queen what are you expecting i thought he did pretty well bob opened for madonna
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
You think he cannot, like, gaslight a room?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I honestly don't think Bob's doing that great of a job, to be honest. I think he's getting a little too cocky that he is a traitor. And I think traitors have a bit of an advantage, right? So they tend to go further. And I think he's projecting a little bit of security in his position as a traitor. And he's, I don't know, he's very loud. He's very opinionated.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And I don't know how he isn't putting a target on us.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I think Dorinda got voted out because it was easy because of Ivor. If Dorinda hadn't popped off on Ivor, then Dorinda would have stayed. They're trying to frame Ivor.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I think Rob is going to sabotage Bob.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He said he's going to... I think Boston Rob is kind of like, this is amateur hour and he's going to be like, Bob the drag queen is too loud. He's putting a target on all of us.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He already had to like sell out Tony and he doesn't want to have to do that again.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He's going to present as a faithful and get...
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, they're all trying to figure it out. And I think Peter Weber said this when we interviewed him from last season. Yeah, they have these competitions. But other than that, all they're doing all day long is just sitting around this castle talking and figuring it out and conspiring and just kind of hanging out and trying to figure out who's a faithful, who a traitor is.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
So they have, you know, that's they're kind of forced to have these conversations. So it is what it is.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Well, Gabby almost caught them when they were in the show.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
The thing about the show is they're editing the hell out of it. That Gabby thing had to have been like an edit.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
She heard something. She kept looking in.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I don't know. Who knows what she was hearing?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I thought Dylan made a really smart move because it's a weird thing because you don't want to accuse anyone too early because you might put a target on your back. I think it worked in Dylan's favor that Bob didn't get exiled because now there's no way the traitors are going to vote out Dylan. Because if so, then that puts a huge target on Bob.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
So you're Dylan. I hope that he like it kind of like he did. He had this like peace offering with Bob. And I hope Dylan kind of flies under the radar for a bit and kind of backs off and befriends them. But he still can't get voted off from the traitors because that that will let them know who the traitor is, that he's not on their trail. So it'll be it'll be interesting.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Dylan also has an advantage for not having really a reputation.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. Yeah. So we kind of intro'd you, but can you, in your own words, just kind of explain what the past couple of months has been like, starting with back when you started just dealing with the Franklin fire?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Because he's just like... Like everyone loves his brother. Yeah, he's nice.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Why not love him?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
He's very likable. Well, the thing that could happen with Dylan is like the traitors could kind of manipulate the round table into exiling him. that's the way they would have to go about it. That's true.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah. That's tougher to do. It is tougher to do, but... Without putting a target on them.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I mean, when Robin was like, well, you told me and Chanel last night, and where is she? Convenient.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I want to say I actually believe Brittany.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
And I want to make my case if I can.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I will say, before you make your case, Brittany absolutely deserves a snowflake.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
She's incredible. The fact that I forget that she doesn't have a snowflake, and every time they cut in and out of commercial and they show all the ladies with the snowflakes, and I'm like, wait, where the fuck is Brittany? Her and Bronwyn are caring this season.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Oh, yeah. Bronwyn kind of pissed me off this episode. Make your case.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
my case is so when they did the confessional is what 24 seconds long homegirl starts the recording and then instantly they start screaming and she looks away so in my head i'm like she's what she's saying she didn't know she's pressing and she's trying to end it so in her head it's like she started a recording maybe she was going to record the scenery like she said and then all these housewives start screaming of course i'm gonna look and be like oh shoot 20 seconds later let me stop it
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
The thing is, if you listen to it, she did record the scenery. She did do the peace sign with Whitney. So she did all of those little things. And the second she got to the third one, it was like the 20 seconds long.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
She's literally pressing the record video button the opposite away from her.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
You see her struggling to even stop and start it. So it's like, homegirl didn't know what she was doing.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Talk about, actually, that gives you, if you ever wanted to do this lesson learned, if you ever wanted to record your friends arguing,
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
have your photo on live and then start just rapidly taking pictures of the scenery in live mode because it does it does record your audio what the fuck are you doing why are you taking photos right now take a side you guys are annoying I'd just be taking pictures just like and you get some audio then you have to
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Sure. But I don't think what I'm saying, I don't think it was malicious.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I don't think she was trying to send it to reality. No, no, no. She was not trying to send it to anyone. She was trying to take a video of it so she could go back to her room, listen to what they were saying and have exactly the receipts to say what like everyone was saying.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
She wanted to gossip with her boyfriend.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Yes. But then it's also like you're relying on like the trust of the group that like all of what you're saying is like it's being recorded. But you don't you're not going to be able to remember every single thing.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I don't think she's that strategic.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
My take on it is, like, when Monica, not to bring her back up, last season at Bermuda, she had no chance to say a single thing because everybody was just screaming from different areas. So, like, in this case, Brittany's in the Sprinter van. Nine people are screaming at her. She can only get one or two words out every single sentence.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Oh, they came for her throat.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
So they're stringing together these, like, stories. It was like she didn't even get a chance to say the story to begin with.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Because everybody kept saying something, so she's...
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
she's talking to this so she was like oh let me figure out a new one hold on no she's responding to every single thing every person's saying so it's like it becomes this whole like I'm sending a video to my daughter I was just recording the scenery it was just the back of the seat it was also 24 seconds we're acting like it's the whole conversation but she said it was a second and a half yeah she said it was literally a second and a half first she said it was a second then she said it was a second and a half well because they're saying a whole they're saying a whole conversation so in my head a second and a half is 24 seconds you know
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Also, how many of you guys have accidentally recorded videos?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Not me. Not often.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Not when people are screaming around me.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Maybe if it's in my back pocket.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I think you guys are just too strategic with your deleted deleteds.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I was very triggered by Meredith constantly being like, you're vile! Pick a different word, Meredith.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Mary being like, get her, Meredith. Mary loved every minute of it. It was awesome. God.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
What did you think of the whole bit of like, is there a recording device in the room?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Clearly a producer set up, I think. Like, there's no way they were like, let's just act this out.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I literally looked at my roommate who's watching it with me and I was like, if this bitch says she's sleeping with Jared or something.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
For Brittany, it was a big confession.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I think you have to acknowledge that for a community that makes you... They would rather have you pretend that you're faithful with your religion and that you are devout and you are abstaining from sex or alcohol and things like that than...
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I think Bronwyn said it nice where she's like, you have to let go of that guilt and stop blaming others.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
What did Bronwyn call her?
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Steve Jobs.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
That was awesome.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I got to say Bronwyn kind of she's she's losing me just a little bit.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I'm not a fickle housewife fan. Neither am I. You know, I have my people, and all I want is authenticity.
The Viall Files
E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
I love Bronwyn, but how many two-faced, quote-unquote, conversations are you the center of?
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Bronwyn is radar online.
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All I got to say is thank God Bronwyn is a little messy. Yeah. Because between that and Brittany and her confessionals, I don't know what else we'd be talking about.
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I rewatched it. I rewatched it. And that's like,
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She alluded to it, but then it's, like, Meredith took it and spun it into, like, something totally different.
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Like, all she did was... All she did was say, like, you've been involved with it and, like, you, like, know what, like, emotions are or whatever. Like, affairs. But, like, she spun it into, like, you say a co-sign of fairs.
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Does she have shit on people?
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So Lisa's credit, people are begging to be in her orbit.
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You know the only one who has never begged to be in her orbit?
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Me.
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Well, no, Meredith. Lisa had to beg Meredith to be in Meredith's orbit.
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What are you talking about?
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E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces
Meredith is definitely in Lisa's stand. The hot mic moment.
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The hot mic moment. In season two, Meredith was like done with Lisa. And Lisa had to beg Meredith to become her friend again.
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Uh, scary, man. Like, so when, when you were fighting this fire and obviously how much, you know, you were successful a few weeks ago. I mean, is this something you were just kind of figuring out on the fly? Did you have experience fighting these types of fires from the past? And what made you realize that, Hey, I need to need to get the heck out of there.
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like what did she do yeah and i hope that's just out of context please please please yeah do we know if mary and angie have been they've been at events together since yeah kathy hilton's party there yeah yeah i've heard of like interviews i've heard with angie she loves mary she talks extremely high of mary the funniest thing is the beginning of angie and mary's friendship was last reunion when andy asked mary who do you trust on this couch or feel welcomed by and she goes
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Angie?
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But the whole season, Mary was like, don't sit next to me. Who are you? Stop talking to me.
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What do we think of Whitney's new hair? I love it.
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Oh, that's why?
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She does look like the other Whitney now, but I love both of them.
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Well, just the Whitney's ginger hair Whitney's in Mormon culture. She dyed her hair ginger, didn't she?
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For Special Forces.
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Well, Special Forces is out, and if you guys aren't watching it, it's really entertaining. Stephen Baldwin is an absolute hoot the first couple episodes. He quickly goes home, but I couldn't stop laughing.
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What was he even saying? I was like, I'm confused now, too.
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I want to know if he got the gig that he claimed to have booked.
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I did say, yeah.
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The whole time I was like, well, Nick did it. It brings you back for sure. I tell you what, this season, they're putting him through it. It's very challenging. You're saying he hasn't booked anything?
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Also, props to Denise Richards. Denise Richards is on it. She is crushing it. She jumped from a speeding boat onto a helicopter. She caught it. And then bungee jumped. I mean, essentially, she bungee jumped and then like rappelled down. I mean, like, She did some incredibly brave things.
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And then we come to find out that when she was jumping from the speeding boat to the helicopter, she tore both her breast implants that she, I think, has since had surgery to repair, which she didn't even leave after that happened. She continued on, still basically bungee jumped and rappelled down the whatever the fuck, and put herself through some pretty rigorous stuff. So props to Denise.
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Obviously you mentioned no oxygen, but yeah. What, what even made you think that, Oh shit, like, let's just get the fuck out of here right now, as opposed to just trying to fight the fire.
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I know she was the second one out, but I'll tell you what, having gone through what those people went through, the fact that Denise did what she did, I have mad respect for her. She really has some guts.
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I'm happy that she was on screen every two seconds.
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Well, I mean, you're going to be usually when you're early out. Makes sense. Yeah. You can kind of tell who's going to go for a while because you haven't seen much of them. But we got Brody Jenner. He's on it. Cam Newton, star football player. He's on it. He's very interesting to watch. Allie Fedotowsky, she had to leave because of an injury. So it's a really good cast. Pink Husband is on it.
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Carrie Hart. So, you know, it's a wild cast.
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Booked and busy, Stephen.
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Yeah.
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Okay. Southern charm. Man.
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I think Paige makes the show a lot better. Yeah.
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I mean, sure, but she's not on the show. I know. And they're not even in a relationship anymore. I know. So that's a problem. It's really just about the bromance, I guess.
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And I get confused. Sally's the one that works in the hospitals, right?
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Yes. Sally's the one who showed up for The Bachelor for a hot second, chickened out, left immediately because she just got out of an engagement, did the exact same thing on Bachelor in Paradise. That seemed like more of a bit. And now she's found her way on Southern Hospitality.
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She's trying desperately to be on reality TV.
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Well, right now she's claiming that Gaston, which is Taylor's man, called her and said, don't keep my name in your mouth.
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She was like, oh, it was great.
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Well, actually backtracking to sorry to go back to Special Forces. Also, who is on the show is the ex of Travis Kelsey.
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Oh, yeah. She had a good storyline so far.
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I feel for her because I don't doubt that, you know, her big story is the Internet bullies and people coming for her. But she obviously is on the show because she is Travis Kelsey's ex. So it's kind of like a chicken before the egg shit. You know, it's like, I don't know.
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She's sad she's getting bullied, but she's also obviously taking advantage of the fact that... Was she an influencer before, though? She's not getting casted on the show if she's not Travis Kelsey. Maybe, yeah. Not maybe.
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Because, you know, when people outgrow you, it's hard to see the bigger picture.
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More like in a metaphorical sense, you know, but he is outgrowing him. Yeah. As Craig evolves, they continue to have less in common.
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Mm-hmm.
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austin wants doesn't want to change he's resistant to change he likes his life he's like this is fun i'm getting paid from this tv show i don't need more i don't want to change let's just keep the band together and and craig's like i'm over it he's got you know he's invested in his girlfriend he wants to lean into that he sees page having a bunch of success you know i imagine i imagine that motivates craig what what why is craig going to the sperm bank again is that just a bit
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Well, because Paige doesn't want to have kids now.
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Sounds like a bit.
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Well, the Packers lost, so fuck that.
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Yeah, so did the Steelers.
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So did the Steelers. Who did we pick? Oh, Washington won. I won.
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Washington, yeah, you won. We lost. So, yeah, Florida and Pittsburgh both lost, which sucks for me. Life goes on.
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Life goes on. on all right well we will see you on thursday thanks for listening anything you guys can do to support the people uh dealing with these wildfires please do so giving our best to all those affected go out and support heidi and spencer make sure she stays at number one and get to the top of the billboard charts we love you we'll see you on thursday bye
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I'm assuming you all feel the same way, but it was very much giving like, if you were in LA, which I think all of us were safe inside, obviously, because the air quality was pretty scary for a while, but it was giving like the first couple of days of COVID, you know, going to the grocery store, everyone's wearing masks again, like grocery store, like shelves were full.
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Oh, thank God.
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Man, that is really sad. How is Kelly doing? I mean, I couldn't even imagine what it's like to lose a house. I wouldn't even know where to begin. Was she able to get her most valuable possessions out, or what did that look like?
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Yeah, I mean, that's all you can do is try to be positive. What are other people in your community experiencing?
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felt pretty picked through at times people buying large amounts of water very eerie feeling obviously very scary thankfully we are okay so many other people have not been obviously a lot of people have lost uh homes you know so many thousands of people have lost homes sadly people have lost their lives it's really very tragic but hopefully things are getting better we have uh some wind in the forecast uh this week so we'll see how it goes but um yeah it's been a it's been crazy
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it's like uh it's like a nuke town yeah yeah it's like it used to be one of the prettiest drives maybe maybe in the world and now i mean again like now i said we haven't been there i can't even imagine what it's like the devastation and like an apocalyptic type of movie yeah apocalyptic movie like bombs were dropped oh my god man now i'll do in the 40s oh
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All right. Yeah, we'll make sure we put that in our show notes as well. Man, it's... It's such a sad situation. We really appreciate you taking the time. Is there anything you want to leave us with, you know, in terms of I don't have any inspiration or just words of wisdom? I don't think this is, you know, we're not even completely out of it yet.
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We obviously have some wind advisories this week as well. So it's definitely kind of still wait and see. But, you know, what can you leave us with, Alex?
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I was hoping you were gonna do Kratos there.
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Josh was the best at his TikTok dances. That was probably the issue. Yeah.
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I like that point of taking that and finding out a way to make it better. So then you do land the next one. You know, I did a lot of martial arts and anytime I would, you know, get submitted or something would happen. I'm like, okay, why did that happen? How do I make sure it doesn't happen again? You know, I'm sure it's the same in a lot of these other fields. So yeah, it's cool.
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It's definitely, I mean, Josh and I were both big optimists and supportive people. And so I know we like to gas people up too. So that's cool to hear that it's not as cutthroat as some people would think.
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So I wanted to, we talked to another voice actor and I asked him this and this, I really love this question. So speaking on that with your auditions and stuff, do you have specific characters that you always try to draw upon like as a voice, like a bag of characters or do you come up with one on the spot or how does that work?
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That is cool. I was listening to some of your demo stuff on your website and everything. And there was the one that was the high energetic peppy one. And then it's like, oh, nice and smooth and warm. And it's so cool to see the fluctuation in that and the change you can make just still using your natural voice.
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I'm gonna just carry around vials of sickness viruses just to give it to myself so I can do it again.
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I'm sure with the technology we have today, why not utilize it and save everybody the travel?
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We did, Josh, Josh will love this. We were doing a read for something for the pod.
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It should have took five minutes. And we were there for like an hour because for whatever reason, I have an eight-year-old son. He's always on YouTube watching all these YouTube people. you know, and I could not stop saying hit like, and subscribe with the discord. And, and, and it was just, it was permanently in my brain. It was just stuck there and I could not get it out.
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And we were cracking up so hard and, uh, and we just couldn't get past it. And, and, um, it was, oh my gosh, it was so funny. So I bombed, I bombed that audition.
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So as far as like as as being voice actors, you know, all of us like we've touched on multiple times. We love the thought of voicing a character in a game, someone you can interact with and see, you know, and be like, hey, that's my voice. What would be like a dream casting role for a voice actor, like a professional such as yourself? Like, what are you going to aspire to?
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You know, that's the role that I would just love to hit or the one I want.
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Well, that's actually interesting. So like you said, you did some casting stuff. Do you guys or casting directors take that into account? Anyone's ties to a game or a love of a game if they're passionate about it, like when casting roles or it's just like, this is the voice, this is the sound we want, this is what we're going with.
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Yeah. Just keep swimming. Just keep swimming.
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Yeah, I'll go through that too. I'm self-employed and a lot of times my work will have weird ups and downs and I'll have more work than I can throw five guys at and then I'll have nothing. And I'm like, this is the end. It's all over now.
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Yeah, it is normal. Every industry.
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With enthusiasm and yeah, I know I definitely, I'm a huge, I plug in, I probably listen to eight or more hours a day most days during the week with audiobooks. I got thousands of hours in and I mean, I'll listen to series and it's awesome because they'll have 18, 19 books but you think this one guy is voicing 20 different characters which is just crazy.
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And then when you're listening, you get into that world and you lose track of that and you don't even recognize it, which is just wild. So I'm 100% with you on that. Yeah, audiobook voice actors are just, that's a whole different level. It's something else.
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That's true. And I'll specifically search out audiobooks from narrators that I love, that I've grown to love. So yeah, I definitely, I totally understand what you're saying because I'm a big audiobook guy. So that's, yeah.
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Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it's crazy what's happened over there. But yeah, so many people are doing so much good work over there. But what we want to do, and also anyone that is interested to help, we'll put the link in the description for all this so you can go over there and donate for the cause.
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But on behalf of the Video Gamers Podcast, what we're going to do is we're going to donate $1,000 towards that and try to help these people and these animals out there.
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Thank you for doing that. Just crippling debt.
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Chat, should I go through this door?
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Yeah. Dude, we just hopped into Outlast Trials a little bit ago. Oh, man. That game's crazy.
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Yeah, I just I hate all turn based combat. I find it so boring. So like, I don't everyone just like there's going to be some upset people in our discord, you know, about about that. But I'm with you.
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It's Ryan. Death can have me when it earns me. Yeah, that's not as good this time. See, I gotta get that frog, and then it gives me the Barry White voice, and then I can go from there, but...
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Josh is a huge advocate for Amnesia.
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It's hard to explain to people. Have you played Amnesia? Have you played it? You should try it out.
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it's really good it's the suspense always that's what gets me is that is that quiet suspense and i'm always just like it's gonna happen i know something's gonna kill me or eat me or jump and attack me and it just oh my gosh once it happens inevitably pee my pants