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Chapter 1: What is the JonBenét Ramsey case?
Ladies and gentlemen, as Aiden said, of the jury, right before we went live, because that's kind of how this whole thing has felt recently, Netflix put out quite possibly the worst documentary in history. I'm still working my way through the JonBenét Ramsey case and everything that happened. I...
But I can say for certain that the Netflix documentary is probably one of the most biased and poorly constructed documentary attempts I've ever seen.
Even worse than the MH371 from last year? The MH371, I feel like the stuff that the MH371 could be accused of ignoring...
is the kind of thing that you'd have to be me to figure out. And I don't mean like I'm the only one. I mean, if you're a documentary writer, you're just, that's not your job.
Well, your position is unique in the fact that you are a trained historian by trade.
And more importantly, when it comes to Netflix documentaries, I think the big thing here is they can't say the wrong thing. Like, they can't piss people off. Because if they do, those people will sue them. As a YouTuber... We get a little more leeway. We get a little more leeway. I get to be off the cuff a lot more.
Anything I say in this podcast, I can reasonably, in a court of law, say that was me just speaking my opinion in a show where I routinely speak my opinion. If Netflix produces a documentary and they say something that somebody doesn't like, it's a documentary. It wasn't off the cuff. This went through multiple edits. In our case, it's, you know, we're just two guys.
So, yeah, the thing is, like, I do kind of, I do take some more risks than Netflix and other documentaries will do as a result of that. But with this one, I was just astonished because, you know, what do they find? Well, in 2000, you know, one of the things that I just saw on Newsweek was, oh, in 2008, the police cleared them. No, they didn't.
In 2008, DA Mary Lacey sent a letter to them after another DNA test had been done, which, again, neither exonerated nor incriminated them, and said, you know, I'm so sorry we put you through this. Meanwhile, the DA following her comes out and goes, no, she should not have done that. That's not protocol. That's not what we do. They are not exonerated. They are not cleared.
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Chapter 2: What are the issues with the Netflix documentary?
Yeah, it's not a light case.
No. I mean, I find... And what frustrates me is, you know, I... as I come across more and more and, you know, I'm, I'm trying to correct some of the record on Tik TOK. Cause there's a ton of misinformation going around Tik TOK right now, based on just the documentary alone. Um, it's just so hard because anytime you try and address one thing, somebody is like, well, what about this?
And as I said to you a few days ago, it's not any individual piece of this case that points in any one direction. It is all of the circumstantial evidence brought into a sum total that points to something. And also what I'm finding, I think a part of the reason that this case has never been solved, quote unquote,
is the fact that most of the evidence seems to be what wasn't found, who wasn't there, who didn't say what. I mean, so far, the first 48 hours thing is the one that's coming out this week. The night at the actual first six hours is that first video.
But what I wanted to kind of touch on with this one, aside from going into some of the problems with the Netflix documentary, because I haven't had time to really go through it and annotate,
I mean, I want to go over that night because one of the first things that they said in the Netflix documentary, and this was how I knew that the Netflix documentary wasn't going to be hard-hitting, that it wasn't going to be trying... Also, they advertised it saying there was new groundbreaking evidence, which in my opinion is just their way of being able to ask for another DNA test.
And what's really funny is that John... There was a Newsweek article quoting it. John said that he wants the DNA tested like a reverse DNA test to see if anybody with that DNA profile was living in Boulder at the time. I don't know what he means by that.
The only thing I can think of is that he's thinking about the boy in the box case, which is funny to me because in the boy in the box case, the parents killed him. So, you know, there might be a reason he was paying attention to that one. I'm not saying he did it. I'm just, when you look at the different theories, and I'll go through what those are in a second, but you can't do a reverse DNA test.
You can't test DNA against people who haven't submitted it. So, yeah, you can run the DNA again, and you can check it against... I can't remember the exact agency, but the same agency that detected Sebastian. That's another kid whose parents probably killed him. Zarelli. Yeah, Zarelli. Joseph Augustus Zarelli. What they did was...
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Chapter 3: How did the police handle the investigation?
Yes. One other thing that I thought was really interesting, and I haven't clarified it as much as I'd like to, and it did look like it came from a tabloid, but it might have been in the CBS documentary, but I don't think it was. From what I understand, they asked Patsy to do a handwriting sample with her left hand. And the rumor is that it matched really well.
That matched almost perfectly from what I recall.
That was not in the CBS documentary.
Yeah. Um, so, and this is, it's so frustrating. It's also circumstantial, but the way I look at it, it is far less likely in my opinion that an intruder did this than somebody well-known to the Ramsey family or in the Ramsey family. Um, And I think that had it been somebody else, they knew. I mean, here's the thing. They accused everybody they knew. And all of them got cleared. Every single one.
And I mean, it's... Let's say it's Fleet White, one of the people they accused. Say it's Fleet White. His wife covered for him? Why? Why would your wife cover for you? I don't think if either of us committed a heinous crime, I don't think a man or a cat would go to bat for us. They might refuse to testify. That would be about it. Depends on the crime. Murdering a child?
Yeah, that one definitely not. Exactly. Trespassing? Tax evasion? Probably not. But like... Murdering a child. Yeah, I don't know how you could possibly stand by on that one. Also, another really interesting thing that I keep seeing either the CBS documentary pulled what Netflix did and they did not.
They left information out or this is, you know, not as concrete as a lot of people are claiming it is. There was something about saliva. There were some of the alleles that are found in saliva. were found, not alleles, it was an enzyme or something like that, that's in saliva, but also several other bodily fluids and such, was, I guess, determined to be present on the bloodstain.
So they argued this could be saliva, in which case it's almost positive that there was a sexual assault that night. Um, aside from what could have been a staged sexual assault, which we'll get into because I have all the details from medical examiner's report, anybody who is concerned with how I am covering this.
And if I will just kind of take Steve Thomas and James Cole at their word, there's a reason that it says based on the work of Steve Thomas, James Kohler, and other primary sources, I used other primary, other primary sources. One of those was the medical examiner's report. I have read it in full. I have presented the relevant details in this coming Friday's video.
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Chapter 6: How does DNA play a role in the investigation?
No, but I mean, think about how much land in the U.S. is not even remotely investigated.
Yeah, I guess we have Native American skeletons from that far back, though. I mean, I guess it's possible if they were a more wild people who didn't have proper burial practices.
Yeah. Even if they did, I mean, think about, like, we don't... There would have been fewer of them. We don't do preliminary archaeological digs before, like, a new Walmart's built.
Well, I mean, yeah, you're right that we don't, like, do it every time, but if they find something, they do stop.
True. Well, the ones who are decent and report it.
Yeah, true.
So, you know, and there is so much construction that happens on a daily basis in this country. Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. J.A. Kell for $20 just said, ever thought of looking into the Black Dahlia? I think there's anything to look into. I'm not familiar with it. Are you?
Guess I'm looking up what Black Dahlia is.
And then kind of a sad one, but worth noting, Mo Fox for $5 says, I lost my best friend to the S word when I was 13. And honestly, I've always joked about it, but it's still something I cry about. People are crazy. Yeah, I mean, that's... I remember there was something that happened in middle school. There was a kid who did that.
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