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Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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Yes. Yes. And I'm thinking about a famous quote that says, I think it's Brendan Burchard, that says like, you're not scared to start. You're scared to have other people see you starting small.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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That is so hard. I had no idea how many no's I would get. No's from amazing experts in the beauty industry, no's from some of my favorite stores I would shop at. I mean, I would send our samples to And finally, Megan, all of the like really high profile buyers and this and that, they were all saying no. So I started, I was like, okay, I've just got to get our product so good.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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This is going to, and I felt in my gut it was going to work, but like nothing around me said that my gut was right. So I started stalking LinkedIn going, let me just find everyone who works at Sephora now. You might have their position and Ulta Beauty and all the department stores and QVC. Let me just send them all samples. And I mean, it was just like over and over and over.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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Yes. And I remember we were so close to bankruptcy and I remember I'd finally got a meeting with Sephora. Yeah. I was like, oh, my gosh. I could barely afford the plane ticket to get there. So it's this tall building in Market Street in downtown San Francisco. And I flew there. I remember going up the whole building. I remember the elevator doors opening.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And I felt like Anne Hathaway in Devil Wears Prada. I was like, whoa. I remember looking all around. And I had this moment where I looked down at what I was wearing and I was like, oh, wow. It was an old, like a very old kind of dress thing, but I, you know, I could not afford a new outfit. And when I walked in the boardroom, I was like pouring my heart out.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And there was one decision maker and she was actually the head buyer at the time. And I'll never forget. She stopped me mid pitch. And she said, if people were talking about this product, I'd be hearing about it. And I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a no. And I remember just like walking out to the elevator and it was a packed elevator and I was trying not to cry.

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Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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I remember tears like at the edge of my lashes and I was trying to cry my lashes off. And I said... I was like, I can't cry. I'm a CEO. These are all Sephora people. I'm like, they can't see me cry. And I was like trying to hold it all together. And we got to the bottom lobby and I walked straight out and right around the corner on Market Street and up against this brick wall.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And I just like started sobbing because I was like, how am I going to call Paul and my husband and tell him it's a no and I don't know how we're going to make it? And there were so many of those.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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Yeah. Yeah. I remember a no from QVC where I'd sent them so many samples for years. I finally got the head guy, a guy named Alan Burke. I love this story. Oh, my gosh. So he's responsible for building the multi-billion dollar beauty business at QVC. And imagine sending hundreds of samples for years and either getting no's or never hearing. I finally got word he wanted to have a call.

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Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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I was like, oh, my gosh. If Alan Burke wants to get... This is huge. huge. If he's going to give me his power, finally. And I was like pacing around my office, which was our living room. And I was like getting ready for the call. I was like power posing because Harvard had done the research that if you pose like superwoman, you're more confident. I was like power posing.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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I was like pumping myself up. And I was like telling myself like, they'll be lucky to have us and all these things. Anyways. He, that phone call, he was very kind, but he basically said in these exact words, we've received your samples, all of them. And I was. And I wanted to call you directly and let you know myself that I've met with our entire buying team.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And it's unanimous that you are not the right fit for QVC or our customers.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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My worst rejections were to come, but that was a pretty bad one. Especially after that grind. And also at this point, how much money do you have in the bank account? Close to zero. Yeah. We were basically getting one to two orders a day on our website and barely keeping the lights on. And we couldn't afford marketing or advertising.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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So it was just word of mouth that people were even hearing about it. Everything was about how do we stay alive. And I remember at the time we got an inbound from a potential investor. And I was like, oh my gosh. I started doing all my homework. I'm like, they've invested in all these companies that like used to be very tiny. Now they're big names in grocery stores and big box retailers.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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I was like, oh my gosh. Okay. I was freaking out. I told Paula, my husband, I'm like, look, look at this email. And And it was a big potential investor, so a big private equity company, very well known. And they got a hold of our product and they wanted to have a meeting. Oh, my gosh.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And so the thought of like, oh, my gosh, this investor is going to be my saving grace because if he invests in A, we're not going to go bankrupt. B, like maybe he can use all his connections to get us in these stores. And we took our first meeting and it was amazing.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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We did meeting after meeting after meeting and we flew up for the final meeting where I presented like the whole future product pipeline. And I thought this was going to be my saving grace. And I was so excited. And I'll never forget, Paolo, my husband, was standing next to me about three feet from me. And the head of the private equity firm was there. He was lovely.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And his whole team, who was great, they were all there. At the very end of the meeting, he says to me, you know, congratulations. You should be so proud. This is a really, really great product. But it's a no. We're going to pass on investing in IT Cosmetics. And I was like – I was so used to hearing no. But it felt like –

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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You know, like a punch in the gut because I was like, I don't know how we're going to make it. And so I said, can you tell me why? What did he say? Well, I mean, feedback can be a gift. So I said, can you tell me why? And he got really quiet. And I'm standing here in person. I'm like two or three feet from him. And he got really, really, really quiet.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And he says to me, do you want me to be really honest with you? And I was like, yes, please. And he just paused. And I remember feeling like my heartbeat in my ears for some reason. I was like, what could this be? And I remember his mouth started moving. And I remember looking at his mouth and his teeth for some reason.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And he says to me, I just don't think women will buy makeup from someone who looks like you with your body and your weight. And when he said those, first of all, I never even got angry or felt anger toward him. But when he said those words to me, it felt almost like a lifetime of body doubt and self-doubt like flooded my body all at once.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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So I almost felt like I was staring my own fear straight in the eye. But here's why I want to share this. When he said those words to me, I just don't think women will buy makeup from someone who looks like you with your body and your weight. I got this feeling and it was so strong. Megan, I can feel it right now. Like literally it was so strong in my gut. Visceral. Visceral.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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This feeling that said he's wrong.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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Okay, I have goosebumps right now because this is, okay, after every rejection, even the most painful ones, even the guy that said, like, no one's going to buy makeup for someone who looks like you with your body and your weight. Even Alan Burke, the head of QVC, who said you're not the right fit for us or our customers.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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Even the woman at Sephora, right, who said no one's talking about your product. After every single one, Megan, I would write them a letter. And a thank you note as if I'm 100% certain we're going to be in their stores and it will be a yes every time. And then over and over, let's say six months later, we get an article written about our product somewhere.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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I would then go email every single one of those people who said no and be like, great news. This product just got featured here. And when we get in your stores one day, I can't wait for this because this is going to change all your customers' lives. I'm so excited to partner. As if for sure it's going to happen. Yeah. And I kept doing that over and over for years.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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They might have thought, who knows what they thought about me. But guess what? Oh, my gosh. Every no turned into a yes.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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This is the wildest story. And honestly, the biggest business lessons and life lessons I've ever learned. Because here's the deal. We're over three years in, okay? And imagine everyone, if you've gone through this before, maybe you're just going through it with me right now. But we're three years into like building this dream. And on the verge of bankruptcy, everyone is saying no.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And I was at this huge beauty expo in New York City. called CEW, where there's 6,000 women walking the Javits Center. You get a three-foot table and you're there with all the biggest beauty companies in the world and everyone's demonstrating their product launches.

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Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And the reason you do this is you're hoping that the 6,000 people walking, that either there's retailers there that'll bring you into their stores or there's a press there that might cover your product or that you get votes and you win one of the coveted CEW awards. So I'm there at a three-foot table at Cosmetics. No one has ever heard of me. And I'm around all the biggest brands in the world.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

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after every rejection, even the most painful ones, even the guy that said like, no one's gonna buy makeup for someone who looks like you with your body and your weight. I would write them a letter, a thank you note, as if I'm 100% certain we're gonna be in their stores and it will be a yes.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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Long story short, I see QVC has this giant booth there. And I was like, oh. Now, Alan Burke had said, the head of QVC Beauty had said, no, you're not the right fit for us or our customers just a few months before. But I was there and I'm like, I've never met anyone in person. at QVC. And so you're not allowed to leave your three-foot table. And I could not afford to get kicked out.

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But I was like, I've got to do... I kept praying about it. And I felt in my gut, I've got to do this. And I kept leaving my table. And every time I go over toward their booth, their buyers were mobbed, just crowded with people. So I go back. I eventually go over and I get straight to a buyer and I introduce myself to her and I said, I'm Jamie Kern Lima. I started a company called It Cosmetics.

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She's like, oh yeah, I have your samples. And I was like, oh, really good. And I remember this is so gross, but this is confessions of an entrepreneur, of a founder. I remember talking to her, trying to like pour everything I have into this. And I remember sweat dripping down my legs because I was so nervous.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

Attaining the Unattainable with IT Cosmetics’ Jamie Kern Lima

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And anyways, at the very end, she gives me her card and she says, let's have a meeting at QVC. And I know. And I was like, and then I was like, wait, does she mean it? Like, if you've ever had anyone go DM me and then like I'm on my Instagram looking and there's no DM. I didn't know if she meant it, but she did. And we flew out to Pennsylvania. We had a meeting and we got our very first big yes.

Confessions of a Female Founder with Meghan

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But, huge but, what it meant was I got one shot. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So everyone imagine this. QVC is live to 100 million homes. I got one shot in this 10-minute window to go on live and either hit their sales goal or not come back. So I learned that I have to sell over 6,000 units of our product in a 10-minute window to hit their sales goal.

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Because remember, on QVC, every minute of airtime, you're competing against the numbers Apple iPhone could do or any other big product. So you have to deliver these high numbers. So then I learned... And... Yes.

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But wait, there's more.

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I then learned that it is a consignment offer, okay? And what that meant was we somehow had to pay for over 6,000 units of product. And if it doesn't sell, I have to take it all back and we're not paid. So you should never say yes to that. You should never say yes to that.

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Well, and here's what's wild. We couldn't even afford to put on a credit card. So we were like, how are we going to do this? We went to 22 banks trying to get a loan, an SBA loan. They all said no, and they should have because we had no accounts receivable. 23rd Bank, California Bank and Trust, gave us an SBA loan that covered the amount of this one big purchase order and then a little bit more.

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And we decided to go all in because I was like, I don't know how we're going to make it if we don't. Oh, I have chills. And we used that little extra money. We hired third-party consultants and they're amazing. They all said the same thing. They said... okay, if you want a shot at actually hitting these sales numbers and making it on KVC, here's what you need to do.

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In your 10 minutes, you need to put this type of model demonstrating your product. And then, and they would tell me all the things to do, which was all like literally girls that looked like they were 12, all with the same skin tone and no skin challenges. And so I said to them, okay, Here's the thing. Here's my authentic vision for the brand.

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What if I put a model in her 70s or 80s and then I put someone who's dealing with under eye circles and someone who's struggling with acne and hyperpigmentation? And what if I take my own makeup off on national TV? I show my bright red rosacea and I prove the product works. And they were mortified. And so I'll never forget this. A week before my one big shot on QVC, we fly to Pennsylvania.

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I go and I sit in this rental car all alone in the QVC parking lot, like watching the front doors of the building. Going the next time I go in that building, I'm going to go on air. I'm either going to leave. bankrupt or I'm going to leave with my entire life changed. And there is a moment in the car where I remember just like praying, crying.

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I remember I'd once seen an Oprah show like 20 years earlier where she talks about how she wanted the color purple so bad, the movie, and she wasn't getting it. And so she like ran around a track and started singing, I Surrender All and asked God to take it from her because it felt too heavy, her obsession with wanting it. I was so stressed in the car.

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I literally was like, I'm going to try that too. I started singing. I was like, God, this feels so heavy for me. And I was like trying to ask him to take it because here's the true confession. I was so tempted in that moment. to try it their way. Because I was like, what if I do it and it works and I make money and I don't go bankrupt, then I can try it my way. Like I had all those thoughts.

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And it was this moment in the car that these words, like they hit me that yes, you cannot fake authenticity. Customers are smart. And while authenticity alone does not automatically guarantee success, inauthenticity guarantees failure.

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Yes. Yes, that is it. That is it right there. Because I believe your intuition is more powerful than anyone else's advice, even your greatest mentor, right? And so that moment, so I'm sitting there in the rental car crying, trying... all the things, singing, singing, being tempted to try it their way.

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And it was like, I remember it coming to me because I was imagining who is that one person on the other end. I don't know why, but I kept imagining like a single mom in Nebraska who was like folding laundry, way too busy to remember that she's so beautiful and that she matters. I would rather her look up and see me showing women that look like her and calling them beautiful and meaning it.

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Even if she buys nothing, I knew in that moment I'd rather stand for something than sell a whole ton of product and stand for nothing. I remember walking into the studio and there's all these cameras and it's you and the host. And then there's this giant clock on the ground and it was set at 10 minutes. And I was like, okay, then maybe...

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Literally, right before I go out, I learn, after all this, I learn you're not even guaranteed your 10 minutes. Yep. Because they know by the second if you're hitting numbers. They know how many people are ordering on their phones, how many are ordering online, how many are calling in. So you might go live and you're a minute or two in. You think like, oh, I've got eight minutes left.

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If you're not hitting numbers, your clock jumps from eight down to one. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And you know you're done.

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So I learned that. And I remember the moment that the big red on-air light came on. So we were live. I had been practicing this demonstration on my wrist, okay? The big part in the back of our wrist that bends and gets all these creases. And I would put our product, our concealer, and then the top two best-selling ones from department stores. And I would bend my hand back and forth.

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And theirs would start creasing and cracking. And ours wouldn't, which is a big deal. Okay. I had perfected this in my bathroom mirror like a million times. So I'm live trying to do this demonstration in the first minute of the show. My hand is shaking so much because I'm so nervous. I couldn't even finish the demonstration.

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The host grabs my hand, puts it under the podium, and she's like, thank you, sugar. And she took over. And I remember the moment my bright red bare face before shot comes up on the screen to 100 Million Homes. And then I remember walking over to the models, like every age, shape, size, skin tone, skin challenge, like calling them beautiful, meaning it. And I remember we were a few minutes in.

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I didn't know how we were doing, but I knew I wasn't cut yet.

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and then we got we got down uh it was like the eight or nine minute mark and i remember the host saying uh the deep shades almost gone the tan shades almost sold out and literally at the 10 minute mark this giant sold out sign comes up across the screen all six plus thousand units i start crying on national television and they cut from me and went to like dyson vacuum or something

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Paulo comes running through the double doors. And I'm just like thinking, and I remember looking at him and I'm like, real women have spoken. And I'm like sobbing. I thought he's going to come over and give me the biggest hug ever. And he just looks at me and he puts his fist up in the air and he's like, we're not going bankrupt.

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I was in such a daze. I don't even know if I was able yet to be in my body because it was years and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of no's. I cried all my makeup off. I was just like, I felt like I was out of my body. And I remember that one airing turned into five no's. that year, and then 101 the next year. And then we did 250 live shows a year, year after year after year.

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And we built the biggest beauty brand in KVC's history.

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Yes. And you just reminded me too of after we launched on QVC, after we made it, after we started gaining traction, Alan Burke, remember the head guy that said, you're not the right fit for QVC or our customers?

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Yes. Okay. So after we launched, he ends up retiring from QVC. He'd been there several decades. He retired from QVC and we hire him. in a paid position on our advisory board. So the guy that rejected me is now working for me, right? And the days I was crying myself to sleep when he said, you are not the right fit for QVC or our customers, no one can tell you you are not the right fit.

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And I just believe in divine timing. And the other thing I wanted to share quickly is, you know, after When L'Oreal bought our company, right, they paid $1.2 billion cash. And because they're a public company, they had to report it and disclose the purchase price. The day the deal went through, because it was on the homepage of the Wall Street Journal, because it was everywhere...

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It was the first day I heard from that one investor, that potential investor, who said women won't buy makeup from someone who looks like you with your body and your weight. It had been six years. And that was the first time I heard from him. And he said, congratulations on the L'Oreal deal. I was wrong.

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Right? Oh, my gosh. Megan, had he believed in me six years earlier, I was so desperate. I had no money. I didn't know how we were going to make it. Oh, you would have given so much equity away. because he didn't believe in me, we are still the largest shareholder. We sold our company. And by the way, when he said that, when he said, congratulations on the L'Oreal deal, I was wrong.

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I don't know if you remember in the movie, Pretty Woman, where she goes,

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Yes. I was like, I want to say big mistake. Huge. Right. But I didn't. I kept it really classy. I wouldn't have wanted to be him.

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We're actually double recording for you and we started five minutes out.

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It is? It is. And I just learned that this year, actually.

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Well, and you being my friend, you know a whole lot more than everyone else. And I actually feel most people don't know the story. I think they just see like what the press says, which is Denny's Waitress builds billion dollar company. Oh my gosh. But it's all the beats in between that are the story. Yes. Yes. And how this all started was not only me identifying a problem I couldn't

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really solve with anything out there, but then realizing there was a whole bunch of other women that, like me at the time, felt unseen by the beauty industry. And sticking to the authenticity of the mission of that is how we entered an industry and literally became the largest luxury makeup company in the country. Mm-hmm.

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But growing up, I always thought, oh, I'm going to host a talk show one day. I would sit in my living room and watch Oprah every single day. And I just felt that, like, I'm going to do that one day. So I did all the jobs to get to that point. And I was anchoring the news and I was moving up in markets. And I thought this was my dream job. I thought this is what I'm going to do forever.

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And I have hereditary rosacea, which there's no cure for it. I had gone to every dermatologist at the time. And I was in Portland, Oregon. And I was live on the air and I hear in my earpiece from the producer, there's something on your face. There's something on your face. You need to wipe it off. You need to, and I'm live. And you know, he was just trying to help me.

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And I remember kind of knowing what it was, but just figuring I'll fix it during the break. So during the commercial break, I looked down in my compact and I tried to cover it up. It was my rosacea. Was coming through. Yeah. And it's, it gets really red and bumpy. And just for everyone listening, like imagining like the way desert clay looks, it cracks.

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So that hot HD lights, it was breaking up my makeup and the red was coming through like cracks all over. So I went to cover it up. And for the first time ever, it wouldn't cover.

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Initially, I felt scared and worried. And then when it wouldn't cover for the first time, I actually entered what I would describe as a big season of self-doubt. because I started spending my paycheck on all the products out there, and I couldn't find anything that worked.

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And so I would be anchoring the news live on the air, and you're talking to millions of people, and then I'd hear in my earpiece, it seems to be back again. It's still there. Oh, no, it's still there. We could still see. And so I would be talking, but I would be thinking thoughts like, am I going to get fired? Am I costing the station rating? Are people changing the channel right now? And

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Here's what I want to say to anyone who's gone through struggles. A lot of the greatest businesses are launched out of those problems. And, you know, faith is a big deal for me in my life, but I do think this is a universal principle.

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Whether someone believes in God or the universe, whatever they might believe, I believe so often in our life, like our greatest setbacks can actually be God's setups for what we're actually supposed to do next, right?

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You know, I've never said this before. I've never shared this before, but I believe that that gut feeling and when I get those gut feelings, I believe it's how God talks to me. And I wait until I feel that gut feeling. And I remember having this moment where I'm like, what if I can

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figure out how to launch a product that if it works for me, it's probably going to help a whole bunch of other people. Maybe there's all these other people that can't find makeup that will cover. And then I had this aha moment, as Oprah would call it, aha moment where I was like, wait a minute, I've

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I've never seen a woman with bright red bumpy skin all over her face selling a product saying, this is amazing. And I love the beauty commercials. I love them and the ads in magazines. And I always aspired to look like that. But deep down inside, they always made me feel like I wasn't enough. And it was this why that hit me. I was like, wait a minute.

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What if I could launch a business where I put real people as models, like every age and shape and size and skin tone and skin challenge? And that was such new thinking then. Yes.

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I'm going to jump out of my chair talking about this or cry one or the other, because I'm so passionate about this. And it was like this why that was bigger than me. It's like, wait a minute. If I can put real people as models, call them beautiful and mean it.

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Like what if, what if in some small way I could shift the definition of beauty and the whole beauty industry for every little kid out there who's about to start doubting themselves and My honeymoon flight to South Africa, I wrote the business plan, came back, quit my job. My husband quit his job. We just went all in, right? I leaned on that knowing and that why. I'm like, I've got to go for this.

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We went all in. We poured every penny of savings we have into the business.

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Yes. After we poured all our savings in, after we figured out a product that actually worked for me, we did hundreds of iterations of a formula, here's what I didn't know. I thought, oh my gosh, if the product's great and our mission is so great, it's just going to work. It's just going to sell. It's just going to be huge. Oh, my gosh.

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Every one of those department stores, those big beauty retailers, this is what they would say over and over to me. First of all, they said no for three years straight. And I sent samples everywhere. And none of them believed at the time that this idea of a product that works for people with skin issues. And we show it on all ages and real people and sizes and skin tones.

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And they would always say this to me. These words exactly. Women will only buy makeup from images of unattainable aspiration. It was always those two words, unattainable, which means you can't even look like that because it's not real. And I think one of the most important things is...

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that I wish I knew with more certainty sooner is that you can never let anyone else's doubt about you turn into doubt in your own head. And it is so important to what we were talking about for whatever that looks like for you to get still, to pray, to meditate, to learn how to hear your knowing and Because I think your knowing, that is what you listen to.

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Not any of the no's happening around you, right? Yeah.

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A week before my one big shot on QVC, we fly to Pennsylvania. I go and I sit in this rental car all alone in the QVC parking lot, like watching the front doors of the building, going the next time I go in that building, I'm going to go on air. I'm either going to leave bankrupt or I'm going to leave with my entire life changed.

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I want to call out one thing you just said about planting the seeds, because it's so easy if all of a sudden our timeline's being pushed out or something. We think we did something wrong. We think, oh, everyone else sure looks like they have it together on social media or whatever. It must just be me. Because a lot of times when you look at companies or you look at businesses or anything online,

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You know, you see the outcome or the external. Yes.

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So good. So good. That right there, we're just getting started. That right there is going to change someone's life today. Yeah. That story matters too. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's so good. Oh my goodness. Well, speaking of stories, when you talk about living through things, when you talk about living through things, not just teaching them, living through them.

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You have done that in so many ways that I think so many people can identify in their lives. And can you talk about how seeking approval from the outside world, in part, led you down a dangerous path, including addiction, and how that whole journey began in your life?

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Bernstein is the author of nine bestselling books, including The Universe Has Your Back, She's also the creator and host of the podcast, Dear Gabby, where she connects with her community and offers insightful real-time coaching, straight talk, and a whole lot of big love. I can tell you from personal experience, when you're in the room with Gabby, you feel big love.

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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She co-hosted the Guinness World Records largest guided meditation with Deepak Chopra. And today I am so So excited to share that she's releasing her 10th book called Self-Help. This is your chance to change your life. Gabby Bernstein, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. It's the best place to be today. The best place to be today. Thank you. Best place.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together.

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Yeah. When you were in your apartment on the floor, as you say, strung out, you know, hang over all the things and you said a prayer for a miracle. And then you said you heard a voice or... An inner knowing. Felt an inner knowing. Where do you think that comes from?

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I'm so excited for this conversation and just... Right off the bat, I want to say for everyone listening, whether it is manifesting and how to manifest things that you want in your life or tapping into or calling on your spirit guides or learning how to take steps forward and becoming an inner healer and healing your life. There are millions of people that...

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And for people who practice a specific faith, maybe they would hear that through the same knowing. For people that trust, the universe has my back.

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So here's my question then, you hear that voice and you hear, okay, if you get sober, You're going to have this incredible life, and you feel that knowing with certainty. How do you make the decision? Because a lot of people—I have a very close family member, actually, who told me—who does not believe in any type of faith.

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And just had this huge revelation in her life where she says she heard God speak to her. And so, you know, a lot of people have different experiences like this. And so how do you, Gabby, know that you're feeling and hearing something, number one? And then how do you make that decision to trust it?

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I feel like it's such a journey too of learning to trust it. And I know Oprah shared that like her greatest mistakes are when she doesn't trust it. When she thinks, oh, maybe that's just, you know, a doubt in my mind, not like a true feeling. And when she doesn't listen to it, she says those are her biggest mistakes.

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Yes, yes. That we don't follow the inner guidance. You know, one thing you said earlier, too, that you're most proud of is not just getting through things or having things happen to you, but actually transcending them, which I'm going to ask about in a moment. And there's two other things, though, that I want to bring up because I think so many people listening are going to connect with this.

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go to you and that are inspired and impacted by you and their journeys along the way from so many of your bestselling books, Spirit Junkie, The Universe Has Your Back, so many of them to all the different tools. We're going to dive into so much today, which I'm really excited about, but just right off the top for the person who maybe is

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As you mentioned earlier, so often we can help heal through other people's stories and You talk about how you struggle with food addiction and binge eating and body image issues for 20 years and that it was your spiritual practice that finally helped you make peace with food and your body.

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Can you, I mean, oh my gosh, you already know this, but like for everyone listening, when you look at the numbers, like right now, 91% of girls and women don't love their bodies, right? It's The numbers of girls and women that opt out of meaningful activities in life because they don't like how they look. I mean, they're literally missing out on life. And I did that most of my life as well.

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And so can you share from your experience, 20 years and your journey through that and where you're at now and how you got here?

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In the beginning of this journey in their life, can you talk about the role of manifesting and what is it? How do we do it? How does it impact our life?

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Our own inner child, the little us. Yeah, yeah. The journey of that, of even the idea of healing your own inner child, of how you even get in touch with that, that's also so new for a lot of people. And I know you mentioned earlier that at 36, you had that moment where, was it through a dream where you...

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um, were sort of awakened in a way to the trauma, the abuse that happened to you, um, as a little girl. And I, I, um, I think you've referred to it as like a disassociated memory. Um, I, I, you know, there's so many people listening that go, well, I have addictions. Maybe I'm addicted to work. I'm addicted to busyness. A lot of people wear busyness, like a badge of arms. Oh, God.

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Yeah, that was me for many years. Right? But really, it's just a way to numb or protect ourselves. It's a protector. Disconnect ourselves from ourselves. It can come out in so many ways. And a lot of people are like, well, I didn't have anything traumatic happen. But it can actually come from so many ways, right? Like simply, maybe your parents...

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weren't available or you had to achieve to get attention or you were always told to be quiet and polite and your feelings were never valid. It could be so many things.

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You know, another one of the most incredible things that you have done lived, that so many people have also lived is, you know, the experience of postpartum. And there's a lot of people right now navigating, you know, how do I know how I really feel? And is this depression? Is this clinical? Is this something that I can heal myself out of?

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With everything that you've gone through, we're going to dive in because from manifesting to spirit guides, I cannot wait to talk to you about spirit guides, to IFS, to all of it, Course in Miracles, there's so many beautiful evolutions of your journey and of your expertise. And

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Right now in this moment, there's going to be so many people watching us or listening to us that are going through a real moment where they're saying, OK, you know, maybe they're feeling like they're in postpartum or they're having they're experiencing different things. So can you share?

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And I think too, it's so worth it. echoing that and saying that in this day and age, there's so many just great, good-hearted, well-intended doctors, and they just do not have the time sometimes. Sometimes they don't know. They don't know. They don't know. And you have to be, you have to take charge of your own health. And you called it out so poignantly.

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Of course, not everyone has access to all the same things. It's worth looking into what free And then when you go in, no matter what access to medical care you have, who your doctor is, you've got to be the one saying, I need a hormone panel. Yes, exactly. you know, been in so many different places in my life. Most decades of my life, I did not have a penny to my name.

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And I was just grateful for a tip on the Denny's table when I was waitressing, right? Now I feel so grateful to be able to access a lot of great medical care. And Gabby, just this last year, I went to one of the most renowned doctors and I realized after, wait a minute, we never did a hormone panel. Mm-hmm.

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So even at that level of care, I had to go back in and say, oh, no, no, actually, can I do a full hormone panel and thyroid? So this doesn't just fall into our laps.

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Let's go get it done. You know, when it comes to, you know, perimenopause and menopause and all of that, what I found is we're, and you said this earlier as well, we're in this moment in time where we're all also needing to be the ones talking about it with each other because it still isn't, you know, I think medical doctors get slim to none training in it.

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You know, we hear so many references to manifesting. So there's people that think like, okay, I'm going to manifest manifesting. I'm going to manifest a life partner. And then there's people that are worried like, oh my gosh, I keep having these negative thoughts in my head. And then it happened. Did I manifest a bad thing? Can you kind of break it down on...

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just how we tap into, as you said, like who we are as a super attractor, how we can actually see that part of ourselves. And is manifesting something that you can control? Is it something you can say, I only want to manifest great things, but I don't want to manifest bad things? All those questions.

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Okay, I just want to stop because this is so big. This is so big for a lot of people because, you know, in my community, I get so many DMs, so many messages, so many questions, and a lot of people are really just starting this journey of saying, okay, wait. maybe this is real. Maybe manifesting is real. There's people that for a long time have thought, no, that's not a thing.

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There's also people reconciling, how do I fit in manifestation with my faith practice, right? So a lot of people are really, this is such a big topic. I know you have spent so many years as a leader expert in this whole field. And for a um, this in their lives, um, through so much of your amazing work, maybe even through this show today.

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And so this is a really big thing that you just, a really big point you just made that, you know, cause a lot of people worry, oh gosh, like, you know, if I start thinking those things are going to happen, if I, if I, there's people that worry, if I think that my football team's going to lose for a second and then they miss the thing, I manifested that they missed the field goal.

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the new Manifesting Flex. Yeah, baby. Yes, yes. I love this. And this already feels like also a manifesting masterclass. Are you ready to master manifesting and become your own inner healer? Gabby Bernstein has been hailed as a next generation thought leader. She's also the creator and host of the podcast, Dear Gabby.

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So what you're saying is when it goes beyond just a thought, and it actually becomes your belief. That's correct. And then you manifest what you believe. That's right. So you catch it. You catch these things and become aware before they take root and become beliefs. And that's possible to do.

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The new manifesting flex. Yeah, baby. Yes, yes. I love this. You're hearing this. And this already feels like also a manifesting masterclass because when you talk about the new flex and undoing the beliefs that block... that block the manifestation. I'm so excited. I'm so excited for everyone to get their hands on self-help, your 10th book. We're going to go deep into it in a minute.

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You know, I wanted to ask you, you know, when it comes to manifestation, what are some of the biggest mistakes people make?

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Yeah, I love what you just said. When we are in our joy, we suspend that disbelief. That is so good. You know, I'm just thinking, Gabby, that I remember when I was first introduced to Lewis Hayes' work and I started diving into it, I just realized really quickly how ahead of her time she was, how so at the forefront.

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of things she was and having the blessing along with you of just knowing so many different thought leaders in the space out there and then seeing so much of her work inspired so much of theirs. With you, right now, again, I know this is so much of your world, but for so many people, it is going to be brand new today, or it's brand new this year, it's brand new in their life. I think so much...

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And today I am so excited to share that she's releasing her 10th book called Self-Help. This is your chance to change your life.

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about you that I do about Louise Hay and that you have been doing this for so long. And we're in a world, you mentioned TikTok, we're in a world where in five seconds, someone can be out there looking like an expert and they've never actually done the thing that they're now an expert about.

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And what I have so much respect and admiration about with your journey and the past two decades of your life and I remember, gosh, Gabby, I don't know how many years ago it was, but I remember sitting in the audience of an Oprah event, a big, big sold out event. And that's where I was first introduced to your work. And you were on stage giving a talk. And this is just in you.

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It's what you've been doing for so long. And you, I feel like, similar to Louise Hay, you have been in so many respects so ahead of of its time.

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And I think that's why one of the many reasons why I'm excited that you're here today, because for people who maybe are going to be introduced to manifesting or to calling on their spirit guides, or to even being aware of what that is, or to starting this journey of healing their life, I love that they are going to be

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hearing about these concepts and how to do it from you, because this is truly like what you have done long before. People are talking about it on TikTok for 30 seconds at a time. And so I just want to make sure to call that out, because I think that's a really big deal in this day and age. I think a lot of people have a hard time.

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There's so many people that take business advice from people, but they've never actually built a business. Or they take, you know, and so I just want to honor that.

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One thing you just said that I want to call out that's so powerful because so many people think like, oh, I've lived this. I have the experience. I have this knowing, but I'm not a trendy person or maybe my ship has sailed or it's too late or I don't understand TikTok or this or that or Instagram. And it's like, Oh, no. What you just said, I want to call on this for the person.

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I'm going to jump out of my seat. You said it. And I felt in my whole body viscerally that for the person that's like doubting themselves right now, but they've actually lived it. What you just called out is so good. You just said like, oh, you come at it with an energetic knowing. Right. And there is a wisdom deep in your body that will emit that.

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that someone else who might have a lot of flash and a lot of trend at the moment, you can't even worry about that because when you've lived it, I don't care if you're 20 or 40 or 70 or 90. You know it. You know it. And you emit that energetically.

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Are you ready to master manifesting, release those negative thoughts and patterns holding you back and become your own inner healer? Renowned spiritual teacher, highly sought after speaker and number one New York Times bestselling author, Gabby Bernstein has been hailed as a next generation thought leader by Oprah.

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Today is a very special episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show. From So You Think You Can Dance to Dancing with the Stars, Alison Holker is an Emmy-nominated choreographer, dancer, host, actor, and author. She first burst onto the scene when she competed in So You Think You Can Dance, where she met fellow dancer Stephen Twitch Boss, who she married in 2013.

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and me right now and watching to just like pause for a second and say that to themselves. Like I guarantee you, 99% of us have not said that. Just like everyone right now listening, okay, just pause right now and just say, I love myself. Even if you don't quite believe it, just say it, declare it, speak it with faith. I love myself.

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I'm telling you that's going to be the first time maybe ever for most people or first time in a long time for so many people. Thank you for that gift. Okay, keep going. Affirmations.

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You know, a lot of people too who maybe can't, don't have access to a cold plunge are starting to do this really cold showers. You know, no one likes a cold shower, but it can be just like, whew, so invigorating.

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And so, you know, I want to call something out because there's going to be so many people right now who maybe have told themselves the story that because this happened to me or I was raised this way or, you know, this thing in my childhood or all these different things and they're waiting for someone to come and maybe rescue them.

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And one thing that was just so really stood out for me in your book that I found to be really inspiring, and I want to call it out in case it inspires someone else today, is even when you were growing up, when you're a teenager, like you just made the decision to figure it out, like to figure out how to make things happen in your life. And one example that I thought – because, you know,

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You've hustled. You talk about grit. You've hustled to make things happen. And you didn't sit back and go, I'm going to sit back in Utah and wait for someone to just discover me and hand me a dancing platform. You were taking action. to make it happen. And, you know, flying to dance competitions or to dance clinics, you know, and then flying back home to get back to school.

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As a teenager, you share an example that I literally laughed out loud reading the book. But you share this example of you were about to miss your flight, getting back home. And there's this long line at the airport, which we've all been in those, this long line. And you just intuitively yell, You yell, mom. And all these different random women turn around and look.

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Of course, none of them are your mom. You're alone. As a teenager, you're alone traveling cross country. You would yell, mom. And all these women turn and look. And you skillfully saw, okay, who are two close together, kind of front in the line. You go up and stand between the two of them. So then one thinks you're the other person's mom. The other one thinks you're the other person's mom.

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And you make your flight. I made my flight. Okay, I can't even tell you the number of things I had to do as a scrappy entrepreneur with no money trying to figure out how do I get my products in the door? How do I get someone to take a meeting with me? And it was all so unglamorous. Half of it was so humiliating and humbling and embarrassing. And when I read that, I just thought like,

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And I wanted to share that because I think there's a lot of people out there thinking like, oh, I have this dream or I have this goal and I'm just waiting for it to happen. It's like, no, sometimes you got to go in a line and yell mom and have everyone turn around and figure out how do I make my flight and how do I make things happen?

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Has those instincts about like street smarts, I'm going to call it street smarts, has that always been in you? Do you feel like it's something you learned? Do you feel like you were born with it? What is it?

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You talk about as a dancer getting all kinds of injuries. Yes. But having to sort of like work through the pain, handle the pain, and put on a dazzling show anyways. And you talk about how that skill has translated to real life. Yes. It's interesting being a dancer. There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. You know, you talk about as a dancer, getting all kinds of injuries, but having to sort of like work through the pain, handle the pain and put on a dazzling show anyways. And you talk about how that skill has translated to real life.

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It was immediate. So y'all get together. And then can you share the story of you two doing the deed on the scaffolding of the Glee show?

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You look at the research and it's like right now, 75% of women are people pleasers. Almost everyone in their own way, shape or form right now who's part of this conversation with us is also putting on the uniform of who everyone wants them to be, but they're hiding the real things that they're going through. And you look at all the data of the toll that takes on

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every part of our body, as well as just our mental, emotional, spiritual health. So, you know, you feel like I'm just learning this now. And at 36, it's actually very young to be learning it now. So many women, and you look at just generations before us, have never learned that, right?

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And especially there's a lot of pressure on women, but also men to kind of like play that role and to not share what they're really going through. And Um, and so I think that that is, even though of course it's so helpful at times to be able to, you know, um, to be able to do what needs to be done no matter what's going on behind the scenes.

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And they can't even tell you the number of times I had like a QVC show with, um, millions of dollars on the line and something was going on in my life and I would just be sobbing my eyes out in the green room. But I knew I had to go out. And I learned how to silo things really well. But there were times where I never actually went back to what that thing was to process it.

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And that's not good because our body, there's that famous book, Your Body Keeps the Score. And I just think that it's such a new thing in our culture and such a needed thing that So many people are learning how to say I'm not OK or here's what I'm really feeling or here's what I'm really going through.

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And so I wanted to ask you in your book, you talk about at the age of 17, you experienced something you say was so traumatizing that it touched every part of your life.

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I've never heard you talk about this before. Have you ever shared this story? I've never shared this story.

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You look at the statistics on all different types of violations of safety or sexual abuse or physical abuse, the things that

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She and tWitch amassed millions of fans across the globe with their heartwarming spirits and inspiring dances. In 2022, tWitch sent shockwaves through the world and through his family when he took his own life, leaving behind his wife Allison and their three kids and leaving millions of people asking, how could this have happened?

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so many people go through and they never share and there's going to be so many moms right now hearing that you shared this with your teenage daughter and how powerful it is and i think that you know everyone's circumstances are different but i think there's so many people that are still hiding it that they went through it and they haven't told anybody and they feel you know different emotions around it and you know what a beautiful thing that

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you know anytime any of us can use the thing that we went through or the thing we made it through to be able to make sure someone else doesn't go through that thing or make sure they know how to how to navigate it better than we did yeah when they go through it and i think that's such a beautiful powerful thing to do so i bet you there's going to be a lot of people listening right now that actually have an aha moment about maybe sharing something in their life

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Yeah, that was probably the most wild thing I've ever done. I'm just imagining the entire audience watching Glee, having no idea there's also another show happening. Yes. Right there.

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You talk about superheroes. You say in the book that you've always wanted to save everyone around you and that it was a pattern that then was woven through your relationships.

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You talk about a moment when you had your daughter, Wesley, and your life took a different direction. You got a call from So You Think You Can Dance. Yes. And you actually turned down the offer initially. And your mom that said to you, before you can love your daughter, Wesley, you need to first love and honor yourself. And she told you to go for your dreams.

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And Ed Milet, who says... He actually says, this is a very, very direct statement, and he was on the show as well. And when he shared these words, I cannot even explain to you how many DMs, emails, all the things. And most of the people just really resonated with these words, and a lot of people didn't like them.

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We were wild kids. This episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show contains material of a highly sensitive nature that may be triggering for some, including possible references to suicide, drug use, depression, and child and sexual abuse. Viewer and listener discretion advised.

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But he says one of the most insidious forms of child neglect is a parent who doesn't go after their dreams. Mm-hmm. Because we're always telling our kids, you can do it. You can do anything. And he says, eventually they'll be like, okay, but why aren't you? Right.

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And, um, will you talk about the moment that you get this incredible, I can't even imagine, you know, as a dancer getting a call from, so you think you can dance and what was your internal journey of going, you know what, I'm actually worthy of going after this and going for this.

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Well, it was at So You Think You Can Dance that you met Steven Twitch Boss. And it wasn't love at first sight, right?

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So y'all get together. And then can you share the story? Can you share the story of you two doing the deed on the scaffolding of the Glee show he's cast in?

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Well, I am just honored you're here. Today's the first day we're meeting and I've read your book cover to cover every word intention. is everything. And I would love to just open this interview up right off the top because you share so much about your own story. You also share so many revelations that I think are going to take a whole lot of people by surprise.

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I'm just imagining the entire audience watching Glee having no idea there's also another show happening. Yes.

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We were wild kids. That phase of like new love. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It was really fun. Or for a lot of people, existing love, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I wanna transition now to November 17th, 2022. So you and Steven were on the Jennifer Hudson show. And you were both talking about having another baby. And three weeks later, what you call the incomprehensible happened.

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This conversation with Alison Holker is so impactful, we made it into more than one part. And you are not going to want to miss part two with Alison Holker, where she shares things and reveals things that she's never shared before. That's coming up in the very next episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Maybe people will relate to them in their own family, but you're sharing a whole whole lot of things. I mean, you're holding nothing back. You go there on all the hard things in this book. And I think it's going to surprise a lot of people as it pertains to Stephen. A lot of people know him as Twitch. Yes. As it pertains to Stephen and his story.

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You know, we'll dive into this in a few minutes. I have so much. I am so excited to ask you about everything you have done just growing up, everything you've gone through in your life, because for every person listening right now, whether you have gone through mean girls doing stuff, whether you've gone through like figuring, like thinking because of where you come from or your own family or your

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your parents or your situation or your financial situation that somehow you can't make your dreams happen. There's gonna be so many people that are gonna connect to so many of the things you share in your new book that we're gonna dive into today. And also I just wanna say in researching for this episode,

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I was blown away at how many people are speaking out and sharing their stories with their own partner or their own families because you have been sharing your story. And they're saying like, gosh, okay, I was much like Twitch and I felt like I needed to be the superhero and I didn't tell anybody when I was struggling. And, you know, You sharing this, I mean, I just am prepping for this.

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I have read countless people talking about how they're sharing what they're really going through and then hopefully starting their healing journey because of it.

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Well, I want to first dive into some of the most fascinating, powerful things about your journey. First, your journey growing up, because I think there's going to be a lot of people that are watching us right now or listening right now and they're like, oh yeah, I loved Alison on So you think you can dance. Or I love her on Dancing with the Stars.

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And they might just have this idea of maybe how you grew up. But you actually, your mom had three jobs. Your dad was working overseas. You couldn't afford dance classes. So you took on the job as the janitor of the dance studio in order to be able to do dance classes. And your mom, who's working three jobs, would sometimes come and help you in between her three jobs. Yes.

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Can you share a little bit about that part of your journey and just, you know, what gave you that determination to go, let me figure this out?

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You're holding nothing back. You go there on all the hard things in this book.

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Well, I love that because I think every single person listening or watching right now, including myself, can relate to this where we've been in a situation where we're like, have this dream, have this goal, or we're working harder. Maybe we're just in school or we just want to belong. And we're trying to do it and we're giving it our best and

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We have people supporting us, but maybe not everyone is, or we've dealt with mean girls, or we've dealt with people that don't invite us to sit at the table, or don't include us at the lunch table, or don't invite us to the birthday party. You say in your book, I want to read this, you say, once I started my janitorial duty, some of the other dancers teased and taunted me.

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They left handprints on the mirrors, knowing I'd have to clean them later. They left cruel notes that said things like, you're trash. knowing I'd find them while tidying up after them. There's a reason there's books written and movies made about mean girls. Teenage girls can be brutal, and the meanest ones at the studio zeroed in on me.

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It was rough, mopping floors, dusting trophies, vacuuming rooms, wiping down mirrors, scrubbing toilets, and cleaning the discarded food piles left by my peers while they returned to their comfortable lives was a humbling experience. As I collected and discarded other people's garbage, I sometimes did believe what those notes said, that I was also trash.

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I knew I did. You know, now people would see you on the outside as having so much success and being on television and this and that. Do you ever now have those same feelings like you're not enough or the words you use trash?

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And so- I have full body chills right now. But this is the key to finding purpose. This is it.

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Yeah. Well, you share, Whitney, in your own words, because I think that's important just for everyone listening, what happened at Tinder that you're talking about that became such a hard time. And then I want to ask you the phase you went in after, because I think so many people have been in that spot. And I'm talking about... the same outfit and Uggs for a month and not leaving the house.

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How long before it happened and you got to the point where you knew that? Because I know, you know, and nowadays, unfortunately, every, you know, person is just about every person's online. You know, people that used to be private before now, maybe they're a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher, and their profiles online and everything's just online.

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And so, so many people now I think can relate in whether it's in their community or their network or, you know, whatever it might be to, to just narratives online that may or may not be true. And, you know, you, I know went through so much online hate from everything from death threats to rape threats to the most horrific stuff.

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And how long did that go on and how did it impact you before you're like, you know, before you realized that you were going to turn it into something for the greater collective?

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You know, I want to just call something out, Isha, that I think is so powerful because I don't want anyone to miss it. Anyone to miss it. Because the humanness of some people, you know, when something horrific happens to them or they get a setback or somebody wrongs them or someone excludes them or someone rejects them is to be like... I want revenge on that person.

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And what I know, what I believe for sure in my life is like we meet the vibration of the thing for it to happen, right? So when you're sharing, you know, that you are taking the thing that happened to you and instead of feeling revenge or this or that, you're like, oh, how can I actually make this better for everyone else? That's right.

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And that intention of how can I do something greater than myself and that intention, in my opinion, is then you meet the vibration of that. And of course, Bumble is a huge success. You know what I mean? But it's like, and this is a big lesson because, I mean, I have friends, I have family that they don't know how to do anything, especially family, some family.

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This is big. This is so big. So few people get this. This is, like, one of the biggest keys to success, in my opinion. It's one of the biggest keys to success, one of the biggest keys to finding your purpose, one of the biggest keys to fulfillment.

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I have five families, long story, but through adoption and everything else. But I have so many family members, they don't know how to do anything else other than be in that place of, you know, being Wanting revenge or wanting, you know, this or that or it's not fair or, you know, all the things. And I think it's just so key to go, okay, yes, that happened. Yes, that hurt me really bad.

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Yes, for so many people that thing didn't feel fair or, you know, all of that. And then also, you know, we have control eventually, of course, after we process everything of like, and what do I do with this? You know, and your distinction of just, you know, that it can make you stronger versus, oh, it can make us stronger. stronger. You guys, I just want to call this out. This is big.

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This is so big. So few people get this. This is like one of the biggest keys to success, in my opinion. So the biggest keys to success, one of the biggest keys to finding your purpose, one of the biggest keys to fulfillment, right, is to take the thing and not just say like, you know, what is this here to teach me or what am I supposed to learn from it?

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But like, oh, wait, what is this here to teach us? Like, what am I supposed, how is this going to help us? And that distinction is so big. And I feel like also it is not easy building any company. So even though Bumble is a massive success, It Cosmetics was a massive success. I can tell you there is no chance It Cosmetics would have made it if I was not thinking about how is this helping others?

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I'm, like, jumping out of my chair because I knew how inspiring this would be, and I'm just thinking about every person listening or watching this right now who's having a big aha moment.

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How is this helping something greater than myself? Because it was too freaking hard. That is it. Too many setbacks and too many hard times and too many long hours for me to stay in it if it was just helping me. I would have been like, peace out. That is so right. Right? And this is big.

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And I was also like... Did it for everybody else. I was so tired of seeing images that didn't look like me. Like all the things and everyone had flawless Photoshop skin and growing up it always made me feel like I wasn't enough. And it was like, oh wait, how do we change that narrative in beauty? Like it was like, how do we... Yeah, it was bigger. And I think I want to just...

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call that out because one thing you say, you know, Bumble, right? I think so many people love Bumble because it helps them with connection in their life. Whether again, it's through meeting friends on Friends with Bumble or in business with mentors and everything else or in romantic relationships.

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And so, but you say, and I think this is big because there's a lot of people sitting here right now that know they've had hard times, know they've had setbacks, but haven't yet Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Whitney Wolfherd is the founder and CEO of Bumble, an online dating, friendship, business, networking, mentoring, community, and connection platform launched in 2014. She's also a co-founder of Tinder and has been named to just about every big success list you can imagine, from Forbes America's Richest Self-Made Women's List to the Time 100 list,

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Did you believe in a God or a higher power at that point at 17? Or did you believe there wasn't one and then you heard that voice?

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You know, two things on that. I just had a family member, I won't say who, who has not believed in a higher power. And she just had the most profound experience, like to her shock. What happened? Where she audibly, she felt like she heard God talking to her. And she is just... kind of shook over it.

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She tried to tell other family members who also don't believe and I think they just kind of like, oh, okay. What did she hear? What was it? It was something about something going on in her personal life and it was just very clear. She's never believed and I won't say her age or people will figure it out. She has never believed her whole life and she's now

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absolutely certain that it was God talking to her. And she's around people that don't believe. So it's a real interesting spot for her to be in. It's profound. But I am not surprised that happened to you at 17. When you, meaning that you heard, like you had a download like that, when you and I, one of our conversations we've had

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Earlier in our friendship, I will never forget just like listening to you talk and you were saying, you were saying a lot of things about me in this conversation. And I'm like, oh, wow. Like you have, I feel like you're so deeply connected. Yeah. energetically, intuitively, spiritually, and you have this gift of seeing people. You have a gift of seeing people.

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She's graced the covers of countless magazines, including Fast Company, Wired and Forbes. In February 2021, she became the world's youngest female billionaire when she took Bumble public and was the youngest to have taken a company public in the US at age 31. She is also a profoundly deep, interesting, and incredibly brilliant woman.

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And I remember just being so inspired by that and also feeling so connected to you very fast, which is not normal for me because I felt like, oh, wow, this is a whole other situation of vibration. Like, you know, and it was really—so hearing that this—that you've, you know, kind of gotten downloads and been tuned in, even before you knew what it was your whole life, not surprised at all by that.

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And I think, you know, seeing everything with Bumble, I know—I want to just touch on this really quick because there's going to be people that, you know— had an idea and they went for it and it didn't work. Or they, you know, oh my gosh, with IT Cosmetics, especially right before, there were so many different things I tried and didn't work and no one, you know, all the things.

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And it doesn't mean they weren't great ideas and it doesn't mean that, you know, the next thing you go for isn't gonna happen. There's so many people that have sent their book out to 25 publishers. They've all said no. Does not mean the 26th one is not going to say yes.

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And can you just touch briefly upon this idea of how can you use everything that you've gone through from your teenage years, through your time at Tinder, through coming out of all that, having that huge realization on the floor of how you're going to use it all for us today? collectively, it wasn't just the first idea that happened with Bumble, right?

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You had this other idea with Merci, and I just want you to touch on it so that people, because so many people listening and watching, they're only ever even gonna know about Bumble, right? And think, oh, wow, Whitney had an idea It was easy. It just instantly happened. But you've had many amazing ideas. And I think Merci was very cool. And I know there was Moxie. There was other things.

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She's a wife and mama to two beautiful little boys, Bobby and Henry, who I am convinced are future Olympic athletes. And she's also my dear friend. I am so excited to have you here. Whether you're listening for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. Remember, this episode is not just for you and me.

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So good. I feel so strongly exactly what you just said. And I feel like our body tells us too, like if it's in alignment with what we're supposed to be doing. And it's been an interesting journey having this show and this podcast because there have been some incredibly fascinating people that have come on. And one thing I've learned is

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is when someone comes on and they share something with the pure intention to get a bunch of press or get headlines, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that.

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But if the underlying intention isn't to add value to the person listening at home or to have a shared experience or to make their life better or to be about something bigger than themselves, it's interesting how different it feels to me. That's right. Like you could feel it.

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Yeah. Yeah. And one takes your energy and doesn't feel good. And the other gives you so much, has me jumping out of my seat because I know how many people it's helping. And it's so interesting. I think too, like for everyone listening, that's how they know, are you in the right job? Are you in the right relationship? Are you, you know what I mean? Like, what is your, what do you feel like?

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Does it give you energy or is it, or not, you know, or not?

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Please share it with every single woman that you know because it can change her life too.

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You know, that's so powerful. That's such a good tool for everyone to put in your toolbox, too. Because it's... I think it's, for so many people, a lifelong journey, if they've even started it yet, to realize those things and then to also just be like, okay, my self-worth is not attached to external circumstances.

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I want to talk to everyone at home right now who has a dream or an idea or a vision for something in the future, and I feel and know that entrepreneurs, we could take inspiration and and get ideas from some of the most varying of things. And can you share a little bit, Whitney, about your obsession with Disney growing up?

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Whitney Wolf Hurd, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Remember, this episode is not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person you know because it can change their life too. Coming up, this conversation is so incredible, so transformative, and also so inspiring that we made it into another part.

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And if you are ready to learn how to manifest new and meaningful friends, mentors, and relationships in your life, even if some of them haven't worked out so well in the past, you are not going to want to miss this part two with Whitney Wolf Hurd coming up in the next episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Post it and share it with others online or in your community who just might need the words and tools and lessons and inspiration in this episode today. You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. Before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true.

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Yes, yes. Well, I'm honored you're here, and you are someone who, it's funny, before we just started this interview, you're like, Nothing's off. We just go for it. Have you always been a person? Because so many women, especially, are scared to be authentic and to just speak their truth. They're afraid maybe they'll be judged or rejected or not loved or not accepted.

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You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it is an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are, heal where you need, blossom what you choose, and

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It's so easy to see someone's story on the outside or see the outcome. In Whitney's case, she has been touted as becoming one of the youngest female billionaires in the country and has graced the covers of countless magazines as a visionary and success story. But just like you and me, it's the story behind the story that's where the most inspiring and interesting parts are.

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Journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Do you struggle with negative self-talk? Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit.

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And so they sort of dim their own light. Have you always been this way? And how have you gotten to this place? Yeah. How do you speak your truth and just fully say, this is who I am with full transparency and confidence?

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And it's time to believe that you are worthy of it. Because in life, we don't become what we want. We become what we believe we're worthy of.

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The gifts are going away, but they're all free right now on worthybook.com. It's such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.

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And the stuff of if someone doesn't get it or doesn't approve or this or that, you're over that. Like you're not, you're like, that's not worth worrying about. The feeling of who I truly am is where your power is.

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Those are the stories where we learn that we're not alone and that our own wild, crazy dreams just might be possible for us too. Whitney's incredible journey of ups and downs, of being totally on top and in, and then totally on bottom and out, and then building her own mountain again to build the life of her dreams on her terms while touching the lives of millions of others along the way.

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Yeah. And what an incredible gift you've gotten to see all sides. So you can say that and know that for sure. Because so many people are like, oh, when I get that thing, then I'm going to feel enough. When I get that big job, when I get that number in my bank account, when I get the relationship, when I get the car, when I get the six pack abs, then I'm going to feel enough.

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And you've gotten a whole lot of things. And that's really not surprising to me because I've had very similar experiences. But It's not what we learn. We learn, oh, you know, because Whitney, oh, my gosh. And I want to actually dive into something you just said. I was going to bring this up way later in the interview. But you're just going there right away.

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And I love this so much because there are so many people struggle with people pleasing and with thinking like – and with feeling imposter syndrome or thinking – I don't have what it takes or thinking that if I'm the real me, I won't be loved. And like you just said, it is a full-time job. It's exhausting.

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And with everything that you have and continue to build with Bumble, congratulations on being back as CEO again. Thank you. Thank you. But with everything that you continue to build there, the millions and millions and millions of people that have new relationships in their life because of Bumble, whether they're romantic relationships or they go on there to meet friends.

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Or they go on there to meet a mentor. Because so many people, that's probably one of the biggest questions I get asked every day is, will you mentor me? And how do I find a mentor? It's the biggest thing. And so, so genius to have Bumble Biz, which is like mentorship and networking, jobs, new jobs, new careers, all of it. You have built so much with Bumble and you continue to. And...

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I think that on the outside, everyone can see, wow. I mean, they just heard the introduction, which they probably already know a lot of this about you. But if they don't know, they're like, oh, wow. So Whitney Wolf heard, you know, one of the most inspiring, iconic, visionary women and businesswomen in the country.

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And I think that what you shared so courageously already is that I think people will be surprised to know is. Your journey has not been easy. It has not been a straight road. Things just didn't fall into your lap. You didn't just wake up and start with the idea for Bumble and it all just happened. You've had a journey. And there are a lot of people that are sharing this story.

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energy with you and I right now that maybe have had setbacks or hard times or things not go their way or a boss that does not like them. And they feel like if I do anything, I'm going to be ousted even more or someone who just a relative, it could be any number of things. And it's easy for us as humans and to say, okay, well, my past is going to define my future. If all of these people

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kicked me out or this didn't go my way or my business failed or this happened or the press or online social media is writing something bad about me, it's easy for us to think my ship has sailed. Like, how can I ever recover from this? And there's so many people that are holding on to shame from things that have happened and letting it almost define their identity.

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And I am so excited that you already opened us up to this because this is going to change so many lives. When you, long before Whitney founded Bumble, not that long before, but before Whitney found a Bumble, you were co-founder at Tinder. And can you share how the journey there wasn't what you expected?

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I just know it's gonna shake your shoulders in the best way, touch your soul, and wake up that unstoppable power inside of you to change your life Coming up in this episode.

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not gonna wanna miss it. But first I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome. Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more.

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The first to launch the business, to dust your dreams off of the shelf. The first to believe you're worthy of betting on yourself. The first to beat addiction, to live life sober and awake. The first to end the generational cycle that you know you're born to break. The first to start healing. The first to forgive so you'll be free.

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And I know this year, going into, you know, 2025, with the election, with all the things going on, if you're like me, you probably have a lot of family and friends that voted differently, that don't agree, that are dreading dreading going to gatherings, dreading somebody might bring up something or get into an argument about something.

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The first to love others for who they are, not for who you wish they'd be. The first to be a visionary, to dream up the screenplay that you'll write. The first to recognize your gifts and stop hiding in plain sight. The first man in your family to say, I deal with self-doubt too. The first mom to say, no, I'm not okay and I don't know what to do.

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first in generations to love your body and celebrate it joyfully to prove it, to know that it's a miracle in motion and what a gift it is to move it. The first risk rejection to speak your truth with vigor, knowing the opposition might be big, but your creator is bigger.

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the first to cheer yourself on and truly believe it, not just fake it, knowing most people won't cheer for you until after you make it. Perhaps in class, they used to pick you last, and now they're at a loss because instead of calling you employee, they now call you boss. The first to stand up to the outcast and say, stop teasing. I just won't.

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You might be tempted to underestimate me, but let me save you some time. Don't. The first to say, you broke my heart. You gave up on me for something else. And it took me a while to know I'm worthy of believing in myself. And what I know is, yeah, you hurt me, but I'm not rejected. See, God just hid my value from you because you're not assigned to my destiny.

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The first to recognize your circle looks a lot more like a cage. The first to say, dad, will you love me for me? And grandma, I was born this way. The first to turn your pain into purpose using the parts that were most rough to help guide others on their journey of feeling less alone and more enough. The first to say, let's agree to disagree. We all have the right to free speech too.

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Stop trying to cancel and hate on others just because you're hurting too. The first to believe in your dreams, even when others might not get you. Then one day, love them anyways, when they're bragging to people how they met you. The first to unlearn the lie, you're not enough unless you keep striving and achieving. That's a lie that leads to nowhere. And one, it's time to stop believing.

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The truth is accomplishments are great, but to know you're worthy, you don't need them. And when we know something is true, it feels like joy and tastes like freedom. You are not your successes. You're not how many times you fail or fall. You are how big you love, and love is free for all.

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See, when we fear we're not enough and fear even more we won't be loved, it's so tempting to shrink in size and trade in our purpose for their hugs. But when you're feeling like you don't fit in or that you never quite belong, your uniqueness is your superpower. Your truth is never wrong.

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And when they criticize to hold you back because your dreams aren't what they're used to and they're afraid that you'll outgrow them, leave them behind and that they'll lose you, stop asking for their advice if they've never been there themselves. Because when you people please for others, you end up betraying yourself. And when doubt tempts you to dim your light, always remember this verse.

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The holidays for a lot of us can be a time where they're magical, but also such an easy time to forget we've got any magic in us at all. Like a lot of us are really stressed out and juggling a lot and dealing with a lot.

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Your soul knows you're made for more. With so much purpose, it can burst. You are born with greatness inside you. And whether it's a blessing or a curse, the world won't be better until your greatness is dispersed. See, there's only one of you in the entire universe. And your knowing knows, deep down, you're not crazy. You're just first. You are just first.

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So as you're celebrating this holiday season and this coming new year, anytime someone doesn't get you or it might feel like oil and water with somebody, I want you to remember, you're not crazy. You're just first. And don't let anybody dim your light. You are born to shine it brightly. You are born to illuminate the path ahead, right? For what your own best life could look like.

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And when you do that, you're illuminating the path ahead for what everyone else's best life could look like as well. And that is a blessing in this world. And I do want to say to you, so many of us have different versions of family this holiday, right? I have five families, adoptive family, birth family, family, step family, chosen family, friends coming to my house who have no family, right?

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We're all family together. And I just want to say that I am so grateful that you are my family in this show, the Jamie Kernley Michelle podcast in this community. I love you. I hope you repeat this episode as often as you need to remember we have the new F word. That's family. fascinating. And then remember, anytime someone's not seeing your value, don't let them dim your light.

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Don't let them steal your magic. Don't tempt yourself to steal your own magic. You remember you're not crazy. You're just first and you have everything you need inside of you right now. You are fully worthy and you are magic exactly as you are. And if you love today's episode, thank you. And my only ask is that you share it.

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And also, if you could hit the subscribe button on your app, maybe even give it a five-star review, that would be pretty amazing. But seriously, we're all together in this season. So you share this episode with everyone else in your community, people you believe in. They might need these tools and lessons to help make their holiday season a little bit more magical to you.

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And I just want to thank you so much for joining me today. Before you go, I want to share some final words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world.

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So I really want to talk to you about a few tips that I apply to my life that maybe you could just take them away today, apply them to your life and ignite the magic inside of you back, help you not lose your joy during this holiday. And no matter who you might be spending the holidays with, including some people maybe you don't wanna be spending the holidays with, but you're going to anyway.

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You are a living, breathing miracle in motion, a masterpiece in the making. The words of Tim's story, you are a living, breathing force for good. And sometimes, especially during the holiday season when so much is going on and so often we're around so many people of all different energies, it can be easy to feel like you're lost or almost like you've lost your magic.

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These are gonna be tips you could just pull out of your toolbox, apply them to your life, and make sure that you protect your peace and you protect your magic. So here's the thing, okay? especially because of politics, especially because of everything going on, I'm gonna share two key tips today, okay? Two key tips.

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If you apply one or both, I guarantee you, you're gonna feel a lot more magical this holiday season. All right, the first tip is called the new F word. The new F word. Okay, before you freak out, hear me out on this one. So here's the deal.

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It's so important, I believe, when we are thinking about the people who are around us, friends, family, that we focus on having people around us in our circle who are like-hearted, even if they might not be like-minded. Okay? And here's the thing.

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When we are entering the season where so many people are divided, so many people are heated, so many people feel like they can't even talk to each other about anything, right? Let alone all be together over the holidays. It's easy to focus on the things that make us not like-minded, right? The things we don't agree on, the things that divide us. And a lot of people shut down.

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And definitely do not feel magic when they're focusing on those things. Also, a lot of people feel like they've lost their connection with family and friends and loved ones. And the holidays are a very lonely season, right? So this is actually a tool to help you feel a lot more connected with the people you love and care about and to help protect your peace and your magic.

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It's called the new F word. Here's what I mean. When we focus on looking at the people around us, and instead of saying, are we like-minded? Should we just hang around people who think like we do, right? How boring would the world be if we only spent time around people who think like we do, who believe like we do, who have the same opinions, who vote like we do, right?

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Number one, it would be kind of boring. But number two, if you are passionate about your views and about how you see the world, You can never bring anyone else to your views and your enlightenment if you're only hanging around people who already believe exactly what you believe anyways, right?

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So to have influence and impact on the world, it's important to hang around people who maybe don't agree with you. That's really, really, really important. It's important to also, right, if you ever want to help heal humanity through love, it's important to understand the humans that make up humanity. Like that's such an important part.

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So here's a tool on how to do it while protecting your peace and just protecting your magic. And it's to focus on, are the people around me like-hearted, even if they're not like-minded?

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So when you're sitting there with your friends, with your family, and you can't believe they voted for so-and-so, because, right, in my family, I'd say it's pretty divided, and both sides can't for the life of them understand how the other side voted that way. Like, can't even fathom it. Like, you'll hear the conversations like, they're smart. What are they thinking, right?

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And I'm sure you can relate to this, maybe in your friends, your family, your peer group at work. So... Instead of focusing on the things that divide us, ask yourself, okay, they may not be like-minded, but are they like-hearted? Are they a good person? Do they want the best for the world and for their family? Do we share different values in common? Do they mean really, really, really well?

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If so, that might mean you're like-hearted, even if you're not like-minded. And so one tool, one tip that I do is when I'm around family, and some of them I can offer the life of them. understand fully how they voted or what they think, I'll just look at them and be like, you know what? I know they mean well. I know they care. I know they're a good person. I know that we're like-hearted.

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So if you need this reminder today of how to remember and tap into your own magic and how to protect your light from being dimmed by all the holiday stress or even by the people causing you stress, then this episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show is for you today.

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And that helps just de-escalate everything and helps me appreciate them, right, from a different perspective. And so here's the tool called the new F word. And this is a great tool to use. So Let's just say you're sitting there and you're having a holiday meal or you're together for coffee or you're at a big family gathering.

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Someone starts going off about some issue that you adamantly disagree with or they talk about who they voted for and you're on the complete other side and they're going on and on and on and on. Instead of engaging and getting mad, what you probably want to say is, The more known F word, which is F-U. But instead of saying that, we're going to go with the new F word.

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Whatever it is they say to you and you start to fill yourself, losing your magic, you want to reply with the new F word, which is that's fascinating. That's fascinating. That's it. Doesn't mean you agree with them. Doesn't mean you think they have any idea what they're talking about.

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But what it does is they feel heard and then it just kind of deescalates because they know they are not taking your joy. They are not taking your magic. So you apply the new F word. That's fascinating. Whatever they say. Uncle so-and-so says this across the holiday table and everyone's trying to eat and enjoy their thing. You start seeing people get mad right away. You're like, that's fascinating.

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And you keep it moving and you keep it moving because life is too short not to enjoy moments when we can. All right. That's the first tool. Second tool today. This is going to be a good one. There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams.

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You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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And today's episode, it's gonna be short and sweet and I hope a powerful reminder from me to you with us together of just how amazing you are. So I don't know if you have holiday plans. A lot of you have been writing in and sharing you have a lot of holiday plans, a lot going on right now. I know for me, I'm hosting 30 family members over to my house for a week.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. Second tool today. This is gonna be a good one. It's so important to remember when you're with friends, when you're with family, when you feel like, how the heck was I born into this family? Or in my case, how was I adopted into this family or that family? I have five families.

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Sometimes when we go to our families, we feel like, you know, we're the odd one out or, you know, we kind of don't belong or we don't fit in or we get tempted to dim our light or tempted to feel like, you know, nobody gets us. But here's the thing. At our core, we all need love and belonging. We all want to feel seen and heard.

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So the second tool is so important and it stems from this idea and concept of you're not crazy. You're just first. Because here's the thing, and this is the truth. There is only one of you in the entire universe, right? Only one that's ever been created. So if you're actually showing up for the holidays or in your friendships or in your gatherings as who you truly are,

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Don't be surprised if not everyone gets it because they've never seen another you before. There's only one of you in the entire universe, and you're not crazy. You're just first, okay? And no one can prove me wrong on this. There's only one of you with your DNA, only one of you with the iris of your eyes, one of you with your fingerprints. You actually have your own unique tongue print.

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your own unique heartbeat, right? No one else has ever seen and experienced beauty and art the way you do. No one else has had the same life experiences or feels the same thoughts or emotions that you do. There's only one of you in the entire universe. So It's so important that when you go to your family gathering, you're hanging out and you feel like, gosh, I feel like my vibration lowering.

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I feel like I have to dim my light to fit in. Just remember the things that are strange or quirky or odd or different or unique about you. Those are not the things that are wrong with you. Those are the things that are most right with you. And it's okay if your family and your friends and even your chosen family, the people you choose to spend time around, they might not always get it, right?

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But what's so key is you do not change yourself and become inauthentic or show up as your representative to try to fit in. OK, because that is the fastest way to lose your magic, whether it's in the holiday season or any other time. The most critical thing is you just remember this tool, tool number two. You remind yourself, I'm not crazy. I'm just first. You are. You're the first only ever you.

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So I'm going to share a poem I wrote called You're Not Crazy. You're Just First. I'm going to share these words with you. And if you find yourself in a situation during this holiday season or in the start of the new year where you're like, oh, I feel tempted to dim my light again. I feel tempted to play it small. I feel tempted to just doubt I'm enough.

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So let me just say, whether you're hosting one or five or you're attending a holiday celebration together, holidays can be beautiful and magical and special and for a lot of us, our favorite times of the year. also a whole lot of stress.

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I want you to go back to this episode, okay? I want you to have it on repeat. You can even fast forward right to this part. Play these words for yourself over and over. Play these words over and over anytime you need this reminder. And you're gonna know, you're gonna know when I share this poem with you,

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if it speaks to your soul, if it feels true, if there's part of it you can lean on, right, when times are tough. That is what's so important because the most important thing to keep your magic is to remember that you are. You are fully magic. And the only way that you don't feel or believe that is when you start to doubt it yourself. No one else can take it from you. It's still there.

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Like they can't take it from you, right? So your job is to protect it, to keep your flame bright, to keep it ignited, right? That's your job. So here's second tool for you. I'm going to share with you the poem. This is from the book Worthy called You're Not Crazy, You're Just First. You ready? Here we go. Who do you think you are, they say? Things like that aren't for people like us.

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Why are you going around changing, planning to leave us in the dust? Are you forgetting where you come from? Are we not good enough anymore? And just like that, the temptation to play life small feels more comfortable than before. If you're doubting you're enough, your thoughts, their words have got you down. It's time for your soul to tell your mind there's a new boss in town.

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See, there's no one else quite like you in the entire universe. And what your soul knows is you're not crazy. You're just first. the first to have your hopes and dreams, the first you there's ever been. So don't be surprised if they don't get you or even try to shame you to fit in. They call you odd, strange, different, for having dreams bigger than they can see.

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Because your dreams weren't given to them, they see them through fear and anxiety. And even the well-intentioned people who love you to the bone can see you pursuing your dreams as a reminder of them not fulfilling their own.

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If people like people who are like them, hiding your true self's a comfort zone, but a calling unexpressed inside you leaves you feeling anguished and alone, even inside of your own home. They call you words like crazy and say, we stick together for better or for worse. But what you're knowing knows is you're not crazy. You're just first.

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So it remains to be seen. I try to do my homework. I'm going to ask you a question that is going to be on everyone's mind when they read it and listen to it. Okay. In the very, very end of your book, in the acknowledgement section, you... You say your thank yous and you thank someone who's helped you heal and see beauty again. And you say you know who you are.

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Melinda French Gates is a philanthropist, businesswoman, and global advocate for women and girls. She's the founder of Pivotal Ventures, focused on accelerating social progress by removing barriers that hold people back. She also co-founded the Gates Foundation alongside her former husband, Bill Gates. Melinda's brand new book, The Next Day, Transitions, Change, and Moving Forward is out now.

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So I'm just going to ask, are you dating anyone? I am. And that person knows who they are. So beautiful. Your eyes are sparkling. Thank you. Right now. What is your best piece of advice for a woman who wants to learn to trust herself?

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That's so good. And it's rare, right? It is rare. It's so rare. That's so beautiful. Yeah. I'm so grateful that we are able to have this conversation. Thank you for your beautiful book that I have read cover to cover and will be gifting to every girl and woman and person I know because we all go through transitions. And I think that when we share our real stories.

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And you've just like opened up your heart and soul in this book in a way that every single person is going to connect to. And I think it's going to help people feel less alone and more enough. So thank you. Thank you so much, Jamie. So good. Remember this episode, not just for you and me, please share this with every single person that you know, because it can impact and change their life too.

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You right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it is an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are, heal where you need, blossom what you choose,

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journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Do you struggle with negative self-talk? Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit.

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The words you say to yourself about yourself are so powerful. And when you learn to take control over your self-talk, it's life-changing. And I wanted to give you a free resource that I created for you if this is something that could benefit your life. It's called Five Ways to Overcome Negative Self-Talk and Build Self-Love.

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Subscribe at jamiekernlima.com or in the link in the show notes. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you.

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Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima. You say that you got this feeling that this isn't right anymore, and that you were trying to ignore the whisper, but it got louder and louder. And in 2020, you went on a trip to Santa Fe. And you say in the book, you say your inner voice told you clear as day. It's time to separate from Bill. Are you glad you trusted your inner voice?

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How are you? Can I hug you? Of course! coming up in this incredible final part three episode with Melinda French Gates. She's truly revealing awe and it's so inspiring. Melinda shares stories and insights she's never shared before. including life-changing lessons on how to do hard things. I feel like it doesn't matter what anyone does. It's just going to come with vilification or opposition.

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Yeah. You know, I think so many of us are scared of change. And we're scared of uncertainty. And we're scared, well, what if I'm alone? Or if I leave this friend group that they're kind of mean, but what if I got no other friends? Or what if I leave this job or anyone else hire me? And I started crying in your book, Melinda, when you talked about we're not waves, we're water.

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this analogy of how the big wave thinks it's a wave, right? And so many of us, whether we think we're a wave or we think we're so-and-so's mom or we're this job title or we're this whatever, and we're about to come to the shore and it's gonna go away and we resist it and we resist that change.

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And what you share is this beautiful story in the next day about how, oh, no, no, wait, we're not the wave, we're water.

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to happen and I was so scared to leave my journalism job I was like that's my dream job I'm here to share other people's stories of the world but I'm not that wave I'm water and I just I love this so much and this is okay this is one of the million reasons why everyone needs to pick up

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the next day because I feel like every single person can relate to this where we're hanging onto the thing or we're scared to write the book or we're scared to put ourselves out there. We're scared to let go of the one thing. And I just think that that is so, I think it's so beautiful.

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And I think that, you know, we all go through transitions in different ways, but sometimes we resist them way too long. Hoda Kotb was just on my podcast and she talked about this analogy of, cause you know, of course she left the Today Show, she's doing something whole new and everyone's like, what are you doing? How could you do that?

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And she talks about that so many people hang onto the wave too long and they just ride the wave way, way, way too long. And cause we're scared to get off the wave or we think we'll never get another wave. But I love when I read your book, when I was in tears reading this,

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I kept imagining a wave hitting the shore and dissipating, but then your water and you go right back to your now a different wave. And what does that wave look like and how? And you never find out what that wave can be if you're still trying to resist hitting the shore when you know it's coming. And I just it's so beautiful.

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OK, so you've written on articles on the importance of getting more women in public office. So Miss Melinda French Gates, do you ever plan on or would you ever consider running for her public office?

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With everything going on, I think every day we're always in transition. And with the transition, I think everyone in our country feels that they're in right now. Whether they agree or don't agree, whatever they feel like, we're all in transition. And so how... I'm sure that you're exposed to so much, so many incredible conversations and information that maybe not everyone is.

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And so I'm curious if you feel optimistic about the future of our country right now. We need to pause for a super brief break. And while we do, take a moment and share this episode with every single person that you know, maybe they're going through a transition in their life in some way, who this episode could inspire. Because this conversation can truly not just impact our lives, but theirs too.

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In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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How have you handled that? When you do something that you're like, I believe in this so much, I know that, and then all of a sudden people are attacking it.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome. Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Navigate change. Do you ever plan on or would you ever consider running for public office? I'm curious if you feel optimistic about the future of our country right now. How do you feel about the future, all of our futures with AI? And find yourself again. I am so excited for this incredible final part three episode.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. I'm sure that you're exposed to so much, so many incredible conversations and information that maybe not everyone is. And so I'm curious if you feel optimistic about the future of our country right now.

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You know, I think with technology, with social media, for so many people they're experiencing for the first time that when they go to help or they do something or they use their voice or they speak out or they do really in 2025 anything at all, it comes with opposition or someone's a critic or whether they're an Uber driver, they get a bad review or

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Or they're a doctor or a lawyer and they never, ever wanted a public profile. And now they have them everywhere and they're getting feedback. And I think a lot of people or the people from high school 30 years ago are on a Facebook group and somebody said something. And it's just this new thing. And I'm curious because you do such impactful work on such a global scale. Yeah.

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How, you know, and again, I feel like it doesn't matter what anyone does. It's just going to come with vilification or opposition. How in all the work that you've done over the decades and now, how have you handled that when you do something that you're like, I believe in this so much, I know that. And then all of a sudden people are attacking it.

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This very special episode of the Jamie Kern Lima show is for you today. I hope these next few minutes and this powerful meditation we'll do together will fill your soul with gratitude, unwavering self-belief, and the reminder that you have everything you need inside of you right now. Jamie Kern Lima is her name. Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in their life. Jamie Kern Lima.

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Feel the air entering your lungs as you inhale, hold for a count of three or four, and then exhale. Now, take a few moments and think about all of the obstacles you overcome to get where you're at right now in life. All of the hardships you've survived, the battles you've fought and the scars you have that tell your stories. Stories of love lost and gained.

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Stories of pain and stories of blessings. Think about your victories, where you found strength to overcome fear and where you chose love. Think about just how far you've come and how strong you are. Proof that you're a miracle in motion. Now, place your hand on your heart and thank it for beating for you all of these years. feel it beating for you right now and say thank you.

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Right now, at this very moment, it's showing up for you again and again. It's endured heartache for you during your lowest times and it's pumped fast for you during your highest. It continues to show up for you, giving you chance after chance to fill up yourself and the world with love. It's never failed you. It always shows up. Take a moment and say thank you to your heart that beats

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and to your soul that guides you. Next, with your eyes still closed, look up to the sky with a big smile on your face. Then still smiling, keeping your eyes closed, Visualize the feeling of complete power and utter joy when you channel true self-belief through your entire body. And just feel that for a few minutes. You can call this meditation or a prayer, whatever feels right for you.

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Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima. In today's episode, I'm guiding you through a powerful gratitude and self-belief meditation. It's just a few short minutes long, but it's one I love to lean on again and again when I need to feel empowered, inspired, and gain a renewed belief in myself. I know it will fill your soul and help you connect to the power that's in, of, and is you.

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You can pause this if you need a few extra minutes. But take a few minutes to get still and continue to give appreciation for how far you've come, for the challenges you faced, and the obstacles you've overcome victoriously. I believe the famous words, what you appreciate, appreciates. So appreciate you. You are a real life miracle and a living, breathing force for good.

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And the power has always been inside of you, not only to believe in yourself, but also in the power of your wildest dreams. God put those dreams in you and he made you with everything you need to fulfill your calling. It's all in you. Truly imagine, what if you have everything it takes inside of you right now to accomplish your wildest dreams?

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And whether you do or don't, imagine what would happen if you believed it anyways. What if you have everything it takes inside of you right now to accomplish the wildest dreams on your heart? Because you do. Notice, How do you feel right now in your body? And when you're ready, gently open your eyes and just notice. Do you still have that smile on your face?

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You can tap back into this feeling anytime because it's true and it's in you. And you can replay this meditation anytime or even as a daily practice. Thank you so much for meditating with me today and for spending your precious time together with me. And most importantly, for doing something to invest in you.

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If you loved today's episode, my only ask is that you please click on the follow or subscribe button for this show on the app that you're on. Give it a five-star rating or review and then share this episode with everyone you believe in. Share it with another person in your life who could benefit from it.

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Post it and share it with others online or in your community who just might need the words and tools and lessons in this meditation and episode today. You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. And before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true.

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You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it's an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are, heal where you need, blossom what you choose.

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Journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. I love you. And I can't wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more.

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I hope you'll listen to it and replay it anytime it can serve you. And please share it with everyone you love and care about who it could bless today as well. Okay, let's get started. First, start by gently closing your eyes if you're in a place where that's safe to do. And let's start by taking a deep breath. Inhale through your nose. And exhale. And again.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Who you spend time around is so important as experts Energy is contagious and so is self-belief. And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter. to you delivered straight to your inbox from me.

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Imagine if one tool that's a simple question to ask yourself every day can transform your confidence, your self-belief, and your entire life. I am so excited for this episode with you today as I'm sharing the commencement speech I just gave to Columbia University where I share how this one question I ask myself daily has changed everything in my life and it can for you too.

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We hired third party consultants who are amazing at helping so many people sell their products. But they all said the same thing. They said, you need to use what they considered beautiful models to sell the products. And here's the thing, like, you know, I have skin issues. They wanted us to use everyone that had no skin issues, that were the same, you know, skin tone.

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They all looked like they were barely 18. But I knew that doing that, doing what everyone else was doing, isn't what I was created for. And it's not what you're created for either. And I knew I'd rather play my heart out fully and try to change the beauty industry. Even if we sold nothing, I'd rather stand for something than sell a whole ton of product but stand for nothing.

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So my one big shot came, and it literally took everything inside of me to dare to believe and to go for it. And in my one big shot, we were teetering on bankruptcy at the time. After years of hearing no's, we cast models of every age, one in her 70s who had hyperpigmentation, one in her 20s who was dealing with acne, models of every skin tone and skin challenge like me.

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And I wiped my makeup off on live television, showed my bright red bumpy skin, and literally everything was on the line. And right as I was standing there in the QVC studios about to go live, I learned you are not even guaranteed the 10 minutes. They know by the second what's selling and who's ordering online and what's, you could be a minute or two in and think like, oh, I got eight minutes left.

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If you're not hitting goals, boom, your clock jumps down to one minute, you're done. So I learned that, like no pressure, right? And I remember the moment that bright red on-air light came on and I saw the clock and it was like 9.59 a.m. 9.58.

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I remember walking over to models, every age and shape and size and skin tone and skin challenge, calling them beautiful and like viscerally meaning it in every ounce of my being. We were a few minutes in, and I didn't know how we were doing, but I knew I wasn't cut yet. I was like, okay. And then at the nine minute mark, I hear the host say, the deep shade's almost gone.

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The tan shade's almost sold out. And at the 10 minute mark, this giant sold out sign came up across the screen. It was wild. Yeah, it was crazy. I start crying. I start crying on national television. They cut from me and went to like Dyson Vacuum or something. And then my husband, Paulo, who's right over there, my husband, Paulo, comes rushing through the double doors of the studio.

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I'm crying and I'm like, real women have spoken. And he comes over to me. I thought he was going to give me a hug. He just, like, comes over to me, puts his fist in the air, and he's like, we're not going bankrupt. And I was like, ah. And that one airing turned into more than 250 shows a year. We grew to more than 1,000 employees and became the largest beauty brand in QVC's history. What?

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with so many experts, they said it would never work, eventually changed an industry. And I don't know who needs to hear this today, but someone else's no is no indication that your idea or your art or your business or your vision isn't gonna work. And even though we got enough no's and rejections to wallpaper this entire campus, we kept getting back up.

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Every time we got knocked down, we kept going and we kept growing. And in 2016, L'Oréal, the biggest beauty company in the world, knew that we had created something unlike what everyone else was doing. What we were told over and over would never work, had grown into one of the largest beauty companies in the country.

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And in 2016, L'Oreal paid $1.2 billion cash to buy the company I started in my living room, which is just wild, and then made me the first woman to hold a CEO title of a brand in their 108-year history. So it was just crazy. And here's the thing. Here's what I really hope you take root today and every day outside of here is I don't care how many no's you get. That bank might tell you no.

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When I think about today, I think about the word power. The power of the degree that you've earned, the power of everything you've learned inside and outside of the classroom at this incredible legendary institution that is Columbia Business School.

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The investor might say no. A boss might not see your potential. You have a power inside of you, a knowing that when you trust it, it'll always lead you to the next right step or the next right lesson. No one else's doubt gets to define your destiny. No one else's no gets to define your yes. And here's the thing. The day the L'Oreal deal was announced, it was everywhere.

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The homepage of the Wall Street Journal. And that was the first time I heard from that potential investor who said women won't buy makeup from someone who looks like you with your body and your weight. He says, congratulations on the L'Oreal deal. I was wrong. And I don't know if y'all have seen the movie, have you seen the movie Pretty Woman?

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Where she like goes in the store and they won't help her. And then she goes back two days later. So what I wanted to say to him was big mistake. Like huge, huge. I wanted to say I can give you 1.2 billion reasons why. It's a huge mistake. But I didn't. I kept it classy because I wouldn't have wanted to be him. And here's what I know is, you know, I believe rejection is God's protection.

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Because here's the thing, y'all. Had he believed in us, we were so desperate. We would have given him so much equity, probably for close to nothing. But because he didn't believe in us, we were still the largest shareholder of the company the day L'Oreal acquired us. So... And remember the head of QVC Beauty, Alan Burke, who said you're not the right fit for QVC or our customers?

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So shortly after we launched on QVC, he became one of my greatest mentors and friends. He still is to this day, and he had been there decades at QVC. And shortly after we launched, he retired. And when he did, we hired him in a paid position on our advisory board. So the guy that rejected me was now working for me, right? Like, no one can tell you you're not the right fit.

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And, you know, it's really such a lesson just to never take rejection personally and never take someone else's doubt about you personally and never let that doubt turn into doubt in your own head. Because the person who doubts you today might be calling you boss tomorrow. History isn't made by the ones who play it safe. So today I ask you, what is the true calling that has only your name on it?

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What does the power inside of you tell you that you're destined for? Your calling might be to work in investment banking to become an MD or a partner or to start your own firm. Your calling might be to consult for five years then start an idea in your living room you haven't been able to shape.

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and the power of your real-world work and life experience that have gotten you to this very moment right here, and the immeasurable power of possibility that lies ahead in your future. The power of all of these is now stacked together in your favor as a platform to stand firmly on and as a springboard to launch from into your vision and into your dreams for what's ahead.

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Your calling might be to put one foot in front of the other in the best direction you know how until you hear that call that says, this is it. Your calling might be to dare to make the lowest salary in Columbia Business School history until you're on your path to making the highest.

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You might not know what your calling is, but when you do know, I dare you to commit to trusting that calling, not the one you can do, the one you were created for. Because if you're like me, you didn't come this far to be impressive. You came this far to be impactful. And I believe your success won't come from being the smartest in the room.

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It'll come from being the most aligned with who you truly are and with who you're born to be. And my hope and my prayer is you walk out of here today making the decision to unwaveringly fully trust yourself and trust the power that's inside of you right now, even when it scares you, even when no one else might get it, even when it might go against the curve.

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Because the world doesn't need more MBAs who can analyze a case study. The world needs more of us MBAs who become the case study. And I wanna ask you to imagine what case study could one day be written about you. And imagine what would happen if you made the decision right now to fully believe that you have what it takes to make it happen, because you do.

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Columbia Business School Class of 2025, what will you do with the power that is you? I cannot wait to cheer you on as you bravely, boldly live the answer. Thank you and congratulations Class of 2025! If you loved today's episode, please click on the follow or subscribe button for this show on the app you're listening to it on or watching it on.

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Please post this episode and share it with others online or in your community who just might need the words and tools and lessons in this episode today. You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. And before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true.

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You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it is an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are. Heal where you need. Blossom what you choose.

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Journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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And today, perhaps more than any other day in your life so far, you're best positioned to ask yourself this purpose-defining question and to answer it with bold, uninhibited vision. What will you do with the power that is you? This question helped me believe that where I came from and even my past mistakes didn't have to determine where I was going.

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Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious and so is self-belief. And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you delivered straight to your inbox from me.

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If you haven't signed up to make sure that you get it each week, just go to jamiekernlima.com to make sure you're on the list and you'll get your one-on-one with Jamie weekly newsletter and get ready to believe in you. If you're tired of hearing the bad news every single day and need some inspiration, some tips, tools, joy, and love hitting your inbox. I'm your girl.

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Even on the days when it felt like nothing was going my way, or the days when I was tempted to tell myself lies, like I don't have what it takes, I'm not enough, and big dreams like this don't happen to people like me, and maybe I should just take that other job because it feels super safe, but it doesn't feel in alignment with what I was created for. What will you do with the power that is you?

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It's one of the most empowering questions you can ask yourself because at its core, it's a reminder that you hold so much power inside of you and you do. I used to ask myself this question when I was waitressing tables at Denny's and had big dreams of launching a business but was also dealing with so much self-doubt.

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What will you do with the power that is you? It's one of the most empowering questions you can ask yourself because at its core, it's a reminder that you hold so much power inside of you and you do. I can't wait for you to hear this episode and let me know how you're going to start using this question in your life.

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I would lean on this question when I needed to believe I was worthy of launching a company in my living room And while later enduring hundreds and hundreds of no's and rejections for years, and I needed the strength to keep going. I would later lean on this question when I needed a north star of what came a rapidly scaling company during a hyper growth trajectory.

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And I consulted this question when deciding to sell the business I started in my living room to L'Oreal in what became a billion dollar deal and their largest US acquisition to date. Go Columbia. What will you do with the power that is you? It's a privilege of a lifetime that you get to decide the answer to that question. And yet so many people end up not living their answer to that question.

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It's so easy with all the pressure that comes with life and even with the privilege and power you've worked so hard to earn to lose touch with our power. To start to choose certainty over calling. To choose fulfilling other people's expectations over fulfilling our purpose.

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play it safe, to check the box, to fit the mold, to succumb to the pressure of getting the right job, the pressure to pay off loans, the pressure to make your family proud, the pressure to exceed the curve, the pressure to win on paper even if it means losing yourself, the pressure of climbing the ladder even if your gut tells you it might be leaning against the wrong wall.

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My challenge today is to dare to trust the knowing and the power that's inside of only you. The one that guides you, not to what you can do, but to what you were created for. Because pressure never stops. But the real pain doesn't come from pressure.

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It comes from regret, from ignoring your gut, from silencing the whisper inside, from doubting the power that's inside of you, from not answering the call that has only your name on it. Stories are one of the most powerful ways to unite us together. And I want to share a story that I hope you can lean on when you face challenges ahead that are inevitable of anyone going after big dreams.

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When I got into Columbia Business School, my mom cried. Neither of my parents attended college and they knew without saying it, I'd be the first to change the course of history for my family. When B-School started, I quickly discovered I was learning as much from the alumni I would meet and as much from my fellow students as I did also inside the classroom.

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And so to try to amplify that, I began interviewing them for the school paper, bottom line, I loved it so much and I started to get this whisper or this knowing that said I'm supposed to go into journalism as my first career out of B school. And I made the decision to trust it.

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In 2004, when the average starting salary of a Columbia MBA was six figures, I took a job for $23,500 working in a small town in Washington State anchoring the news. I'm pretty sure I destroyed the curve and said yes to one of the lowest starting salaries in the history of Columbia Business School.

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A few years in, I was moving up in markets and loving it, but didn't realize my dreams were about to take a tumble and a massive detour. See, while anchoring the news live one day, I hear in my earpiece from the producer, there's something on your face. There's something on your face. You need to wipe it off. You need to wipe it off. I knew what it was.

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I have a skin condition that's called rosacea. There's no cure for it. It gets really red and bumpy. And until that moment, I'd always been able to just cover it up with makeup, like, no big deal.

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When I glanced down live on TV in that moment, it was during a commercial break, and I saw, like, if you imagine desert clay cracking and red coming through, that was what was happening under the hot HD lights. My rosacea was coming through on live television. I tried to cover it up, and for the first time ever, the makeup didn't work.

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And this turned into a really long season of self-doubt where I'd be live on television every time thinking like, am I going to get fired? And every time I'd go on and hear in my earpiece, Jamie, it's still there, it's still there. I spent most of my paycheck just trying to find something that would work. Every product out there and nothing would. And then one day I felt this whisper.

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Maybe you've had a whisper like this in your life. It was a whisper that said, if you cannot find anything that works for you, why don't you figure out how to create something that does? So my gut, my intuition, my knowing said, you can do this. You can start a business and figure out how to find the best chemist and make an amazing product that's probably going to help so many people if you do.

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But my self-doubt said, oh, but you've got no money. You don't know anyone in the beauty industry. You are not qualified. I made the decision to dare to trust my gut, to trust my knowing over my self-doubt. I also leaned on my Columbia Business School network. I called every alumni in the database that I could find asking their advice.

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And then my husband, Paolo, he's right over there, CBS class of 04 alum. He was working in investment. Yes. He's over here. He was working in investment banking, and he and I both decided to quit our jobs. We poured every penny we had into starting a company called IT Cosmetics in our living room.

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What we did not know is from the moment we went all in, it would be more than three years before we could even afford to pay ourselves a single penny. It would be hundreds and hundreds of no's and rejections.

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And during this journey, I realized even though there were thousands of beauty companies out there, a lot of them I loved, I had never seen a company showing women with skin issues, bright red bumpy skin or whatever it might be. And then I also realized from the time I was a little girl, I would watch those beauty ads, and I loved them. I always aspired to look like them.

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So when we launched IT Cosmetics, we had this huge, wild, crazy vision to literally change the beauty industry and to instead of using airbrushed, photoshopped images and models, we wanted to use real people like me, every age and shape and size and skin tone and skin challenge and call them beautiful and mean it, but it wasn't being done at the time.

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And no one thought it would work, especially all the experts. Every single retail store said no. And so many of them said, if you have any shot at selling products in our store, you have to use images of unattainable aspiration. They'd always say those words, which means you can't even look like that because it's not real, right? And it's like everyone was doing that at the time.

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But I wanted to change that for every little girl out there who's about to see those ads and start doubting herself and every grown woman and person who still does. But literally no one thought it would work. And it is scary to trust yourself, right? Especially when no one around you seems to think that you're right. And after a few years of nonstop no's, literally we had no money left.

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There was a huge moment that happened. I'd always dreamed of us going on QVC, which is a live television shopping channel. It's broadcast to 100 million homes across the country. And when you have a product, QVC is a huge deal because they can sell more there in 10 minutes than in most national store chains across the entire country in a year. So it's massive.

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And I got a word that the head of QVC Beauty, who's a legend, a guy named Alan Burke, he wanted to have a call with me. And I was like... Oh my gosh, I've been sending them so many samples for years. And right now, as we're down to no money left, I have no idea how we're going to keep going. Like, this is it. This could change everything. And I remember when I got the call, I was so pumped up.

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I was like pacing around our office, which was our living room, power posing, trying to tell myself, okay, they'll be lucky to have us. And when I answered the call, he said, hello, Jamie, this is Alan Burke with QVC.

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And he said, listen, I wanted to call you myself and let you know that we've received your samples, all of them, and I've had a meeting with the entire buying team, and it is unanimous that you are not the right fit for QVC or for our customers. And I remember in that moment, well, the truth is tears started streaming down my face, but I went into re-pitching again.

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I'm like, oh, but Alan, I am the right fit. and he thanked me for loving QVC and said it's a no. I wanted it to be a yes so bad at the time, and we had been getting so many rejections for years, and I really had hoped that this would be it, but it wasn't. So we kept going and barely keeping the company alive. We continued to get rejection after rejection.

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In fact, one potential investor from a really well-known private equity firm, we were both hoping this would be our saving grace. He loved our product. And we did meeting after meeting after meeting, went to the diligence phase, you guys. The very end of it, the final meeting, he says, congratulations. You should be so proud of this product. But it's a no.

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We're going to pass on investing in IT Cosmetics. And when I asked him why, I remember he got really quiet and he says, you want me to be really honest with you? And he said, I just don't think women will buy makeup from someone who looks like you with your body and your weight. That one, I cried in bed for three days after.

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who might need some inspiration today, or perhaps a boost in their ability to trust the power inside of them, because this powerful tool and episode can truly impact my, yours, and their life too. Jamie Kern Lima is her name. Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in their life. Jamie Kern Lima. Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima. Class of 2025, congratulations!

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But here's the thing and here's the key is every time that we would meditate or pray and get really, really still, like I get this feeling inside that said you're supposed to keep going. You're supposed to keep going." And I trusted that voice and trusted the power inside of me.

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And I'm sharing this because my hope and prayer today is that you do that too, every single step of the way outside of this room, and to trust it over all the no's that might be happening all around you like they were for us. So after years of countless rejections and no's, it finally happened. We got one single yes that had the power to change everything. QVC finally gave us a yes.

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Then I learned we would get one shot, one shot to go live on QVC to present our product in this ten minute window and either hit their sales goal or not come back. I learned we'd have to sell over 6,000 units of product. in a 10-minute window, live on air. Y'all, we were doing one to two orders a day on our website. Like, that's what we were doing. And we had to sell over 6,000 units.

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And then I learned it's a consignment offer. What that meant is we would somehow have to figure out how to pay for, manufacture, ship in, pass regulatory compliance, pass QC, all of the inventory. Then I go live on air in 10 minutes, and if it doesn't sell, we take it all back and we're not paid. So you should never say yes to that, ever, right?

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But we were so desperate, and we decided to say yes and go all in. The only problem was we were out of money. So we applied. We went to try and get an SBA loan. 22 banks said no, and they should have. And the 23rd bank, California Bank and Trust, gave us an SBA loan to cover that purchase order and a little bit more.

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I love a great life-changing episode. I am so excited for this one today. Did you know that how you communicate, how you argue, and how you handle the way others communicate and treat you can change every single part of your life? And today we have one of the top communication experts in the world who's sharing the secrets and simple tools you can apply to your life right now today.

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It's amazing. So amazing. I think so many of us are scared to to to do that because we don't let our parents down or we don't want all of that. And this is like so beautiful, you know, and then he comes back around and joins you.

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It'll help you because you're going to be the very first to get the episodes and it's going to help the show because by you following it, it's more likely to be promoted to others to discover. And if you leave a five-star review, that would be even more amazing. And just thank you so much. This is our show together and it truly means so much to me.

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Yeah, yeah. You know, you have so many tips, tools, tactical takeaways, and that people can apply to every part of their life. And I love when you talk about things that you know as a lawyer, like how do you know when someone is lying?

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What do you do when they're lying? And how do you respond? And how do you handle arguments? How do you handle narcissists? How do you handle... I mean, we're going to dive so deep. I'm so excited about all this. But I want to ask you...

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With what's happening with the offering you're putting out in the world of teaching people how to communicate, I'm curious for you, Jefferson, what are some of the traits that you admire most in people who you feel are the best communicators in the world?

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When someone allows their warmth to just be, do you feel like it's easier to listen to them and be around them? Because I think a lot of people, especially women, feel like, oh, I've got to, you know, if I show my warmth, I'm weak. And I need to, you know, all the things.

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And I just think that's kind of powerful and insightful what you just shared is that when you think of the best communicators, that there's a warmth.

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One thing that you seem so masterful at that I feel like I need to work on more is this idea of pausing and of giving space. And this is going to be a big thing for everyone listening because when we dive into all the different topics that are going to affect our lives in so many different ways when we start applying the tools that you share,

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Um, there's this consistent theme of, of pause and of space. And I'll never forget. Um, the first time I ever gave even a keynote speech, right. It was like a room of, he was like 10,000 people and all this stuff was, it was for, um, Brendan Burchard event actually. And it was the, it was the first time outside of it cosmetics.

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And it was a long story, but he's like, I have an opening and I'm like, I'm in. And it was this hour spot. And, um, It was the most phenomenal hour, but every time people cheered or even stood up and cheered or any of the things, because it was really fun, and I was just pouring into them, I didn't know how to pause. The second they started clapping, I didn't know, and I just kept talking.

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And I remember afterwards, he came up to me and he says, first of all, he said a million great things, which I'm so grateful for, and then he's like, you need to learn how to pause and let the audience have their moment. They're excited. They're cheering for you. They're into it. They're so excited that you overcame this huge obstacle.

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And I was like, huh, I didn't know how to let the pause happen. And what I love is you guys, you give so many examples in your book of ways the pause is so powerful, but just really high level. This is for everyone listening. I want you to think right now as you're hearing me and Jefferson talk Talk about this. When you're talking with someone, do you ever just pause and like let there be space?

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And maybe you're looking at them in the eye or do you start to feel uncomfortable and want to fill the space with words? Can you talk about the power, the power of the pause and how right now everyone at home, like different ways you can use just... pausing and your communication and how it actually literally helps change your life.

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Jefferson Fisher, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima show.

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I'm so excited you're here. Wow. What has happened with you, with your advice, with your videos, it has become a phenomenon.

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I just had a big aha moment like a big aha moment because at our core we all just want to be seen and understood and also feel connection and belonging and so many people feel so lonely right now and often you know social media can be great in so many ways but we're lonelier than ever and

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one tip you just gave i think this is so big and i want to i want to say it in the way where it really hit me is is is that example you gave because we all have this happen every day right how are you you know we go and grab a coffee and you know we might ask the person ringing us up how are you or they might ask us how are you yeah and we just default oh i'm great thanks how are you you know whatever boom boom yeah and we don't even know what we're saying it's just like autopilot and

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And yet we're all lonely and we all want more connection. And we're like, why is my husband and I sitting here scrolling our phone? And I don't even know how he is. I told him how I was, but I don't think he cared. Like whatever our scenario is or, you know, moms at school drop off or whatever it might be.

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That example you just gave is so powerful and it's so relatable because, you know, when someone says, how are you? And you're like, oh, I'm good, thanks. there's pretty much no connection happening, right? And when someone says, how are you? And you just pause. And you think about it and then you say your answer. Maybe it's like, I'm good or whatever it is.

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That pause instantly tells another person, I see you. You matter to me. I'm giving you my energy and consideration because I care to connect with you over the question you asked me.

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Holy moly. That is like instant hack to connection with humans. And we're all connected. so many of us are just feeling like we're missing that in our lives more and more. I have heard you use the pause in so many different ways. And this is the first time I'm having this big aha over this.

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Because right now, every person listening, every person watching us, right now, today, they can walk into a coffee shop. They can look at the person sitting next to them in the room right now. They can, whatever, next time they're interacting with people and someone asks them this or they ask someone else that, add this pause in it.

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Because then it almost catches someone off guard, too, and they realize you're connecting with them.

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I'm doing it tonight. And I'm going to do it with my kids, actually. I'm going to do it with my kids, too.

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yeah yeah well i'm excited so much to dive into today um you know tens of millions of people watch your videos uh from you in the seat of your car and with an iphone um can you just talk about like how

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Hmm. So good. So good. Oh my gosh. Okay. I'm already excited for the way everyone is going to share how this impacts their life. Like the DMs are going to come in, comments, the messages, and we're just getting started. But that one tool, that one tool, I'm just thinking about, and the ripple effect of that.

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Because as a society, we're really close to bankrupt when it comes to like true just connection.

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how this all happened for the person who maybe already watches you and loves you every day, which by the way, half of the people I know do, or maybe someone's brand new listening to you and me and discovering who you are for the first time. Give us a little insight on how this all happened and how you now are joined by tens of millions of friends every time you put out your words.

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So you being a fifth generation attorney, your wife, Sierra, is an attorney.

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And so I would love for all those people at home who are either in partnerships or friendships where arguing happens.

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Jefferson Fisher. Yeah. You and your wife being attorneys, being phenomenal communicators, right? Having sometimes your job depending on it. And then you, of course, becoming now one of the most well-known communicators in the world. Tens of millions of people going to you for this. How do you and your wife argue and let us in on all the secrets that we all need to be doing differently?

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. How do you and your wife argue? Yeah. And like, let us in on all the secrets that we all need to be doing differently.

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Even if you think they're completely at fault, they don't get it, they should do different, they should do better. But that's going to go for an argument forever because I've tried that. So you're saying that you're not saying they're right by apologizing or by, you know, you're saying, oh, wait, maybe I could have communicated that differently.

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You're doing your part to try to make the argument shorter.

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That's so good. Okay, so this is what I intended. What did you hear? Yes. And then, oh, okay, well, that's not what I intended. Here's this. Right. You know, I want to just share something that I think is so profound because every time I was growing up, when I knew my parents were arguing or this or that, you know, and they didn't argue much.

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My parents actually just didn't talk about hard things when they did argue. And I knew that they were. I would go in and I would, you know, say, is everything okay? And they're like, absolutely. And, you know, they cover it up.

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We think we want to protect our kids and hide it. But if the argument is getting drug out and we're actually hiding it, you know, I read something where children are learning to not trust their own intuition because they're saying, is everything okay? We're like, oh, it's fine. It's fine. They know it's not.

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They sense it. And we're saying, don't trust your senses or your senses are awful. or something like that. And so the idea of the stronger you become at communicating and learning how to respond in an argument with someone you love in a way that diffuses it just has so many ripple effects beyond just that particular thing. So I love that.

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Wow. You say, I think this is something really, really powerful because a lot of people, they don't want to get into argument. A lot of people don't even want to have a conversation, especially if there's anything hard or difficult or challenging or... you know, any of it.

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And you say that when you align your conversations or your arguments with your personal values, that you're sort of aligned then ahead of time with your goals before you go into it. Can you explain to us what that means and how we all do it right now, today, in our lives?

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And you feel like that works to your advantage.

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to help you improve your life at work, at home, and in your most important relationships. Jefferson Fisher is a trial lawyer, a fifth-generation award-winning attorney, writer, and speaker. His work has gained him millions of followers all over the world through short, simple, practical social media videos teaching people how to argue less and talk more.

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Explain that a little bit more. If I can't be a bridge.

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That's so good. I love that too, because I've had to do this. I wish I've never had to do this. I had to do this even recently where a friend just, oh, just like completely wasn't the friend I thought they were. And I think parts of our humanness want to, you know, tell them all the reasons they're wrong or this or that or all the things.

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And it's like, I think when you can just be a lighthouse and go, okay, so

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it's a different friendship than i thought and i'm just gonna pray for them and love on them and i feel like what happens then is you meet the vibration also of attracting great friends yes you know when you when you and that's your gift yeah yeah i mean that's where it comes back whenever you send that zinger that clap back that sense of oh man i just put together the perfect

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I even think about that when I see comments online. Someone just like, you know, it can feel like a temporary relief or something when you just, you know, get that hateful comment out or attack someone. But then you're meeting the vibration of that in your life. So it just comes all around you in different ways. in different areas. So that's so beautiful.

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It'd be the lighthouse, even if you're not the bridge. Even if you're not the bridge. What role does self-worth play in communication with others and with ourself?

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These are such powerful tools that we can apply to our life right now. And what I love is they're free. They're free and they're not always easy, but we can get in the habit of them and we can apply them right now. So thank you for these tools. Remember, this episode is not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person you know because it can change their life too.

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Make sure to pick up Jefferson's new book, The Next Conversation, Argue Less, Talk More. And check out his brand new Jefferson Fisher School of Communication. We'll link it in the show notes. And if you loved today's episode too, well, my only ask is you please click on the follow or subscribe button for the show.

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You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. Just thank you so much for joining me. And before you go, I wanted to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world.

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You know, tell me if I read this right, didn't your first videos you posted, maybe these were about the law firm, they were legal advice, but didn't the first few videos you posted on Instagram get like zero views?

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It's worth it. Imagine what would you do if you fully believed in you? I went from struggling waitress facing nonstop rejection to founder of IT Cosmetics, a billion dollar company, by learning how to overcome self-doubt and believe I'm worthy of my hopes and dreams. And I'm sharing how you can too in my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life.

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Yeah. Does it feel different in your body when you were posting stuff about legal advice? Obviously, you're a fifth generation award winning attorney with a busy practice, all the things.

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But did it feel different in your body when you're posting legal advice versus when you started talking about sort of adding value to other people's lives at home on how to communicate in ways that make their life better?

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Do you feel like when you hold that phone up and you're saying you think about it right before and yet the content you're putting out is resonating with tens of millions of people and like you said, there's a whole lot of people hiring big teams, producing content, all the things, it doesn't resonate with people. You're putting this phone up, Video after video after video.

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People binge watch your videos, by the way. But do you feel like you have an anointing? Do you feel like your faith or your calling is part of this just clear... It's a whole other level. I don't want to call it channeling, but when people can connect at this level, it almost looks like they have a talent that's just part of their calling or what they're supposed to do on this earth.

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Whether it's handling a heated conversation, dealing with a difficult personality, or standing your ground with confidence, Jefferson helps you communicate during life's everyday arguments and conversations, and his brand new book called The Next Conversation, Argue Less, Talk More, is out now. Jefferson says, you can change everything about your life by what you say next.

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Do you feel that when you film a video, where that comes from and how it comes out of you in a way that impacts so many people?

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So you talk about your dad, and that's beautiful, by the way. Thank you for sharing that. What I love right now is because I'm thinking about everyone at home who maybe has done a particular career or they're doing it, but they're feeling like, okay, I'm really good at this, or I can do this, or I'm earning money for my family by doing this.

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And also, I feel like I have something inside of me that still needs to be an offering to the world, whether it's a book or putting your art out in the world, or hopping on social media in your car and talking to an iPhone and sharing your gift of teaching other people how to communicate. But getting to where you're at now

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I want to share part of your story and your new book, which is phenomenal, which I've read cover to cover.

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The next conversation, argue less, talk more. You talk about, you know, you're a fifth generation attorney. And at one point, I think it was after law school, you're working in a law firm that your father is working in. All of us, at some point, you know, peace are part of us. Most of us want our parents to be happy. We want our parents to be proud of us. Right.

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In this law firm. And, and, And you decide to leave and you had to tell your dad. You had to tell your dad. And that's hard. And I think it was hard for him. Can you share a little bit about that story? And then also, I don't want to jump out of my chair about this part. I love then where it ended up today with you and him. There's so much more coming up in this episode.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. and now more of this incredible conversation together. You decided that you weren't fulfilled in this law firm and you decided to leave and you had to tell your dad. You had to tell your dad. And that's hard. And I think it was hard for him. Can you share a little bit about that story?

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And then also, and I want to jump out of my chair about this part, I love then where it ended up today with you and him. But this is for everybody at home right now who's just like, they just want to make everyone around them happy, but at the expense of them maybe not being and doing enough and fulfilling who they feel they're called to be.

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And in the middle of it, you're driving up here to see me in Montecito to do this show. And I'm looking at all that. Are you, have you always been, and are you now just a really, really, really hard worker?

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Yeah. I'm going to ask you about your ski instructors in a few minutes. Yeah. Because I also love living vicariously through you as well, as everyone who reads this book is going to. It's going to be quite an adventure. With you, I want to just hit on something you just said, because it's really powerful. You said...

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when you left your agency, because here's the thing there's, I think about everyone listening and watching us right now, who's in a friendship that they know is like not serving them, but they don't want to hurt that person. And so they don't tell the truth or they're in a relationship or they're, you know, whatever it might be. And, and yeah,

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You know, you being at an agency for a long time, probably working a partnership with a lot of people there, you're saying, no, I'm actually going to do the best thing for me, even if it maybe lets other people down.

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What's your advice for doing that for someone listening who's like, I don't want to disappoint everyone else or I don't want to, or they've been there for me in the past and they're okay now, but I know that I deserve so much better.

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That is so good. There's nothing bad that can come from acting with integrity. I think just a quick call out also. what you just said in the past 90 seconds is going to be so good for so many people to just rewind and listen to over and over. Because whether they're looking to borrow your courage or borrow your wisdom on how to put their foot down in something, a lot of people are.

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I mean, you've been in Hollywood for a long time too. It's amazing how many people I meet that on the outside are very, very accomplished, but on the inside cannot do what you just did with your agency. Like they're too scared to stand up for themselves or to put their foot down or they're too insecure.

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When you did it, because a lot of people fear, oh, well, what if my other, like in this example, what if my next agency is not as good? Or what if I'm giving up on something where they really know me or like any of the other things? How did it feel that right after you gave them that news, how did that feel?

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That is so good, that like right there. No, I feel like that is the greatest life advice to get the thing you want. You have to vibrate at the level of the thing to get it.

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Yeah. What I love so much, um, that also happens when we do it is we're sort of like showing another woman how to do it. You know, which is also beautiful, even though I'm sure they don't want to hear it at the time, but it's like, they're seeing an example of how to do it. And you share, you taking us through right now, is also in talking about how you felt proud that you were able to do it.

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And then you're reminded of your connection with that person. I wanna say, Chelsea, in a lot of the research I've done for today and talking to lots of people, I felt like the through line I heard from people is that you're a kick-ass girlfriend. Like you're an amazing girlfriend to people. Like you're an amazing family member, but also friend.

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And so, and I know that, you know, you're doing that now for, there'll be so many people that maybe you'll never meet in person, but through your book and through the things you're sharing, you're going to impact them.

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And what you're just describing is so poignant and so powerful because you're saying like, once you want more things for other people, once you say we all rise higher, all of a sudden you get more of that in your own life and you also feel more joyful.

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Mm-hmm. it is, it's shocking when you're a woman and you, and there's enough things to worry about, but then, then we see that happening. And like, I'm 47. I have done plenty of things in my career. And I just had that happen to me recently. And I was like, shocked with something I did in Hollywood.

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today with you, Chelsea, because this is our first day meeting in person, and I was like, all right, I know Chelsea said in her book she's always on time, so I think she's going to for sure show up.

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I'll tell you off camera, I'll tell you another time, but I just, I couldn't even believe it by another woman who had so much success. Like the, the, And I like, you know, I've come to believe in my life that our own, you know, whether someone believes in God, the universe, I believe our path is divinely orchestrated.

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I don't think anyone else's success has anything to do with ours or can take ours down or impact ours. Like, I really think we're on our own. I think we're the only ones that can lower our vibration. I think we're not worthy of something and mess it up, you know? So I feel like... When people are that way, it's such a bummer, but especially women. And so have you had that happen since?

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Sure, I have. But like, I mean, I love what you just said. There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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If you'd like to release negativity and experience more joy in your life today, then this episode with the incredible Chelsea Handler, who shares things she's never shared before, is for you. Get ready to laugh, cry, and raise your vibration in more ways than one.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. When people are that way, it's such a bummer, but especially women. And so have you had that happen since?

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of abandonment issues? Yes, of course. At 10 years old, you saved all your money, you bought yourself a first class ticket, and then the rest of your family was in coach. So you're 10, you're walking on a plane, and you're like, oh, no, Mom, I'm going to fly first class. And you figure it out.

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That is so good. That like right there. No, I feel like that is the greatest life advice. That is people spend so much time trying to figure out how to get what they want. Oh yeah, you sit however you want. People try to like figure out how to get what they want and then this and then that. And they think, oh, if I tear someone else down or oh, if I this, that.

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The other thing, I'll never forget Chelsea Oprah once saying that to get the thing you want. You have to vibrate at the level of the thing to get it.

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And what you're just describing is so poignant and so powerful because you're saying like, once you want more things for other people, once you say we all rise higher, all of a sudden you get more of that in your own life and you also feel more joyful. And when I launched this podcast and

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every second I was doubting, is Oprah going to show up as my, I was like, I have to vibrate at the level of truly today with you, Chelsea, because this is our first day meeting in person. And, and I was like, all right, I know Chelsea said in her book, she's always on time. So I think she's going to for sure show up. Oh, I'm early.

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Yeah. Yeah. So I want to ask you about this. This is, you know, I love that, that quote, success leaves clues. And when I learned, and you guys will all learn about this. When you get Chelsea's book, I'll have what she's having. I'm always fascinated by these things that you can like tap into and be like, huh, and think back to your own childhood.

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But when you were a kid, I want to ask you about the first time you were on a flight with your family, the first time you were on a flight and you guys walked past the first class, went into coach and you asked your mom, like, why aren't we sitting there? And she kind of explained like, oh, we have a family. We couldn't ever sit there. And, and I want to read something.

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Where did that knowing come from that seems to be maybe different from some of the people that you were raised around?

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Well, first of all, you said you thought to yourself, speak for yourself, right? Like speak for yourself. And, and you had this, this kind of knowing you said, in my family, or if my family were content flying coach the rest of their lives, we weren't on the same page. And at some point, I'd have to split ties with them. And at 10 years old, sold lemonade and sold spiked lemonade.

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And then you called all the hotels, I think, one summer and said you were 15, not 10, so you could babysit for anyone who needed it. You saved all your money. And then I think it was on the trip to your grandpa's funeral, you bought yourself a first class ticket. And then the rest of your family was in coach. Yes. Yes. Okay, this is what I want to understand because I find this fascinating.

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Because you look at how successful you are in your life right now. You look at all the things that you've done, all the things you continue to do, everything happening this coming year, right?

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At that age, at 10 years old, because Oprah has this in common where she was a little girl and her grandma was like, you know, you're going to have to learn how to hang clothes and the clothes pins, you know, work for a nice white family. And she says at this little young age, she had that knowing, like, no, grandma, I'm not.

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So you're 10, you're walking on a plane and you're like, oh, no, mom, I'm going to fly first class. And you figure it out. But I want to ask you, like, where did that knowing come from? that seems to be maybe different from so many of the people that you were raised around.

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You're declaring it out loud. Like, I'm gonna be famous. I'm gonna impact a lot of people. And then you did something about it. Like, you went for it. It was, like, so meaningful, right?

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What I love, too, that I just want to call out, especially for everyone listening, is like, so you had this knowing, I guess, that this isn't going to cut it for my life. I want to have a big life. I wanted this, that. You are now at your aunt's. your aunt and uncles and you're telling your aunt, you're declaring it out loud. Like I'm going to be famous. I'm going to impact a lot of people.

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And then you did something about it. Like you went for it. And I think that's so important. Even back to when you were 10, you didn't just think, oh, one day I'm going to have a first class ticket. You, you, you, You declared it, like you said to your mom, you know, and then you did something about it.

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Like you took action and through a lemonade stand that was, you know, lemonade and hard lemonade. I think your sister, right? Your sister had like 50%. It was like a 50-50 split. And you thought that was too much. You fired her. You hired Nelson. He got 10%, right? So then you got 90%. All the things you hustled from that age and you made it happen.

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And I want to call that out because I think like... Part of your impact, I think part of what's so beautiful is that sometimes we can go through experiences and people can take shortcuts in their own life because of them. And I'll never forget, Chelsea, you just reminded me of something.

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I was like eight years old sitting in my living room watching this interview where Barbara Walters interviewed Oprah. And Oprah said on this program, and she was early in her career, but she said, I always knew I was destined for greatness. And I remember sitting in my living room as a little kid feeling like me too, like I have this feeling.

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And then she got so much, oh my gosh, she got just horribly attacked in the press for saying that. I think people weren't used to a woman No, of course not. Speaking so confidently at the time. But I remember having that whisper. And I remember, you know, when I launched Beauty Company, my living room, same thing. I didn't know anyone in the industry. I didn't know how I was going to do it.

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But I just kind of was like, you know what? I feel like I'm supposed to do it. And then it was like taking action. And so I just want to call that out because if you think about...

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the circumstances you were in at 10 that you describe, and then you're with your aunt and uncle and all their kids and all the things that you're doing, your circumstances don't have to define whether or not you can go for the thing.

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And I think a lot of people right now have a whisper like, oh, maybe I'm supposed to impact people too, or maybe I'm supposed to, you know, but they're not declaring it. They're not, you know, and then they're not doing anything about it. And so I just want to call that out that I think that that's like a recipe you just shared. That's really powerful because it happened when you were younger.

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It happened before you were famous. Look at you now. Look at all the things that you're doing. And a great, sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you.

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I felt injected. I felt injected. You can't buy that. You can't fake that.

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That must have felt incredible, gifting her a house. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I think is so beautiful in your book is so many people know your humor and your power and your advocacy and how tough you are. And you also have so much empathy. Yeah.

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Yeah. Watching you cry about gifting your aunt a house, which is such a generous, empathetic thing to do. Like, it's just... Yeah. So can you learn empathy?

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I'm going to ask you about your ski instructors in a few minutes. Because I also love living vicariously through you.

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Yeah, yeah. You know what I think one of the things too that people get confused about is most people aren't honest about who they are. They hide their shadow self or they hide, frankly, parts of them that are perfectly great, but like...

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Other people might judge them or they hide all these things and then they show up on social media with their highlight reel with a thing as their representative, the person that they think. And a lot of people get this so wrong, I feel, Chelsea. I think that people feel all this pressure like, oh, I need to show up as my representative for other people to like me.

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When it is like you look at all the data, it's impossible to have a real human connection. Yeah. Unless you're fully who you are. If you're presenting.

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Coming up, this conversation is so incredible, so transformative, and also so inspiring that we made it into three parts. And if you're ready to learn how to be an incredible girl's girl, choose yourself over a relationship that's asking you to abandon yourself. Build the courage to be more bold, confident, and free. Get what you want in life and step into your purpose.

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You are not gonna wanna miss part two with Chelsea Handler coming up in the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. If you loved today's episode, my only ask is that you please click the follow or subscribe button for the show on your app and give it a five-star rating or review, and then share this episode with everyone you believe in.

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Share it with another person in your life who could benefit from it. Post it and share it with others online or in your community who just might need the words and tools and lessons in this episode today. You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today.

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Before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it's an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Here, I hope you'll come as you are, heal where you need, blossom what you choose, journey toward your calling, and stay as long as you'd like, because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. And I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Do you struggle with negative self-talk?

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Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit. The words you say to yourself about yourself are so powerful. And when you learn to take control over your self-talk, it's life-changing. And I wanted to give you a free resource that I created for you if this is something that could benefit your life.

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It's called Five Ways to Overcome Negative Self-Talk and Build Self-Love. And it's a free how-to guide to overcome that negative self-talk to build confidence and develop unshakable self-love so that you can dream big and keep going in the pursuit of your goals. Don't let self-sabotaging thoughts hinder your progress any longer.

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It's time to rewrite the script of your life when filled with self-love, resilience, and unwavering belief.

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If you're ready to take charge of your narrative, build unwavering confidence, and empower yourself to persevere on the path to your dreams, you can grab your free guide to stop overthinking and learn to trust yourself at jamiekernlima.com slash resources or click the link in the show notes below. Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious. And so is self-belief.

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And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you delivered straight to your inbox from me.

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Imagine what would you do if you fully believed in you? I went from struggling waitress facing nonstop rejection to founder of IT Cosmetics, a billion-dollar company, by learning how to overcome self-doubt and believe I'm worthy of my hopes and dreams. And I'm sharing how you can, too, in my new book, How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life.

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I am so excited for this episode today with the amazing Chelsea Handler. You guys get ready to laugh. try and raise your vibration in more ways than one. If you are ready to release and free yourself of negativity, stop taking yourself so seriously and feel more joy. Chelsea is sharing the raw and honest ways she did that she's never shared before and how you can too.

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And it's time to believe that you are worthy of it. Because in life, we don't become what we want. We become what we believe we're worthy of.

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join the worthy movement today by grabbing your copy of worthy anywhere books are sold and head to worthy book.com now for free gifts, including my five part course on becoming unstoppable and my 95 page worthy workbook action plan that teaches you how to implement the tools from the book into your real life right now.

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The gifts are going away, but they're all free right now on worthybook.com. It's such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.

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If you're ready to live life on your own terms and feel that freedom of feeling finally being who you truly are confidently and unapologetically, then today's episode is truly going to change your life. Chelsea Handler is a multiple award-winning writer, comedian, producer, TV host, activist, and the author of six consecutive New York Times bestselling books.

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And her brand new book, I'll Have What She's Having, is going to be her seventh. And as you're listening to this podcast right now, take a moment and follow Chelsea's ultra popular podcast too. It's called Dear Chelsea, and it's in its fifth season. She's on tour right now. She has a Las Vegas residency at the Cosmopolitan. You can get tickets right now to see her.

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And we are so fortunate that she is too. taken a moment right in the middle of her tour to be here in person in Southern California in the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast studios to share this powerful conversation together with you and me today. Chelsea Handler, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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I do my homework. Thank you so much. Your book? is amazing. Like your book is amazing. I read it cover to cover and I feel like the sign of a great book, like a real great book, isn't just when it sort of like entertains you or takes you, but also like really shifts you. And I felt like your book, I left reading your book feeling shifted. I felt shifted. I felt more empowered.

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I almost felt like I was able to borrow your courage to be more bold is how I felt. And I think that's really powerful. So I just want to say, you know, for every person who wants to learn to use and discover their own voice, Or maybe for every person who is on a healing journey, every person who is about to leave a relationship and say, I'm not gonna trade myself for being in this relationship.

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I'm not gonna settle for that. Or for anyone who really wants to embrace the power and freedom of being who they truly are and to kind of stop apologizing for it. I feel like there's so much in this book that I took away. So I just want to say congratulations and it's going to impact a lot of people. Thank you so much.

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You dedicated the book to flight attendants and said you've been on so many flights and if anyone is being an asshole, they can just tap your shoulder. You're going to step up and have their back. Have you always had the confidence to speak your mind and say how you feel?

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Chelsea, in a lot of the research I've done for today and talking to lots of people, I felt like the through line I heard from people is that you're a kick-ass girlfriend.

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When you look at the studies, it's shocking. that the majority of women are people pleasers and we're scared to speak our mind or to say the truth or, oh, it might offend somebody. Do you, are you able, and you talk about doing it for injustice, which is such a great, by the way, for anyone listening, this is such a great hack. If you're like, I don't know how to speak my mind,

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when you make it about someone else, it's almost easier to do it. Like, oh, I'm actually helping this person. Then it's easier to stand up for yourself and say how you feel. Are you able, Chelsea, to do that as fearlessly when it's for yourself?

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Yeah. Yeah. When you walked in today, that's what I was saying, that I was very not, and I never try to have any expectations when I read a book and I just think, oh, this is someone's offering to the world. What a gift it is for me to read it is how I kind of approach it. And I felt injected. I felt injected. I felt injected from your book. And so it does that.

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And that's why I think I'm so passionate about it right now and fired up about it. Because that is, you can't buy that. You can't fake that. I really felt that. When you say you did that recently in your life, are you referring to ending a relationship and choosing yourself over your relationship or something?

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Well, they should say you're always welcome back because before today, I always knew you as somebody blessed by your talent, but as someone that watched it, right? Watched you on television, like was blessed by your talent. Doing the research for the past few weeks for today, And tell me if this is right.

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You have to be a crazy hard worker because the number of shows you have produced, executive produced, launched out into the world that are in partnership with other people, ones that you've done. I mean, I'm talking about the things that you have done in your career so far. I mean, and you're on tour right now. You have a residency. You're about to film another Netflix special.

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These two words will change your life. Let them. You are not going to want to miss this brand new episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show with Mel Robbins. Already, this is like new, cutting edge, and already Mel Robbins. The millions of people freaking out over this, spreading it everywhere. So let them.

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New York Times best-selling author and host of the Mel Robbins podcast. Life coach and motivational speaker. A dear friend who we are so proud of all you have built and done, Mel.

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Two big things. The less you try to control other people, the more control you have in your own life. Yes. Huge. Yes. Huge. And you can't change another person. If you want them to change more than they want to change, it never works.

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Before we jump into this episode, I'd love to invite you to join this community to hear more interviews and one-on-one conversations with me and you to help you truly believe in yourself, trust yourself, and know you are enough so that you can become unstoppable in living your best life. I love your support. It's incredible to see your comments and

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There's so much more coming up in this episode, you are not gonna wanna miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams, you stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious and so is self-belief. And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me.

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If you haven't signed up to make sure that you get it each week, just go to jamiekernlima.com to make sure you're on the list and you'll get your one-on-one with Jamie weekly newsletter and get ready to believe in you. If you're tired of hearing the bad news every single day and need some inspiration, some tips, tools, joy, and love hitting your inbox, I'm your girl.

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Subscribe at jamiekernlima.com or in the link in the show notes. And now more of this incredible conversation together.

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How many of you are sharing these episodes with everyone else? And I'm just so grateful to be here for you and I'm so excited to go on this journey with you. It means so much to me. Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious. and so is self-belief.

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Mm-hmm. I think when it comes to these just difficult situations, right? So many of us have friends we know that are in unhealthy relationships. And... Even in my families, there are people that blame themselves and there are adults blaming themselves thinking it's my fault that she's in this relationship and won't leave it or things like that.

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And so I just want to go back to this because a lot of people, this might be really freeing for them right now.

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For the person who says, Mel, no matter what I do, my friend just stays in this unhealthy marriage or this unhealthy... And she says she wants out or she's saying, my friends keep mistreating me, whatever it might be. And she says she wants out.

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How do you, how do they let them without feeling like, oh, I'm not doing enough or I'm looking the other way or I'm turning a blind eye on abuse or something like that?

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And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you, delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me.

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If you haven't signed up to make sure that you get it each week, just go to jamiekernlima.com to make sure you're on the list and you'll get your one-on-one with Jamie weekly newsletter and get ready to believe in you. If you're tired of hearing the bad news every single day and need some inspiration, Some tips, tools, joy, and love hitting your inbox. I'm your girl.

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The let them theory, especially when it comes to a lot of the examples you gave that we consume our days with. Why didn't he fold the laundry this way? Why didn't X, Y, and Z?

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Subscribe at jamiekernlima.com or in the link in the show notes. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you.

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I love you. Thank you. I have one more thing to share with you, but before I do, if you got value out of this episode, my only ask is that you please share it. Share it with another person in your life who could benefit from it. Post it and share it with others online or in your community who just might need the words and tools and lessons in this episode today.

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You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. And before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world.

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And it is an honor to welcome you to each episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are. Heal where you need. Blossom what you choose. Journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. And I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode. This is the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you. In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness.

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In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy. How to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Do you struggle with negative self-talk? Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit. The words you say to yourself about yourself are so powerful. And when you learn to take control over your self-talk, it's life-changing.

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And I wanted to give you a free resource that I created for you if this is something that could benefit your life. It's called Five Ways to Overcome Negative Self-Talk and build self-love. And it's a free how-to guide to overcome that negative self-talk to build confidence and develop unshakable self-love so that you can dream big and keep going in the pursuit of your goals.

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Don't let self-sabotaging thoughts hinder your progress any longer. It's time to rewrite the script of your life when filled with self-love, resilience, and unwavering belief.

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If you're ready to take charge of your narrative, build unwavering confidence and empower yourself to persevere on the path to your dreams, you can grab your free guide to stop overthinking and learn to trust yourself at jamiekernlima.com slash resources or click the link in the show notes below. This show is presented solely for entertainment purposes only.

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It's not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, psychotherapist, professional coach, or other qualified professional. I hope you enjoyed this episode and conversation together and I am so grateful to be on this journey with you.

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Mel Robbins says you can change your life and she will show you how. Mel has one of the most popular podcasts in the world called the Mel Robbins Podcast. She's a New York Times bestselling author. She has seven number one audiobooks on Audible, billions of views of her videos online, and is one of the most respected experts in the world of mindset, motivation, and behavior change.

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Thanks to her science-backed tools and relatable advice that has impacted the lives of millions of people who follow her across 194 countries. She lives in Vermont with her husband of 26 years, Chris, and their three kids. She's also my dear friend.

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a really great roommate on trips, one of my favorite people to have at slumber parties, and the best wedding singer I've ever had the privilege of hearing in person. Mel Robbins, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. This is like new, cutting edge, and already Mel Robbins, the millions of people freaking out over this, spreading it everywhere.

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And I want to talk about anxiety and tips to heal it for everyone listening and watching who maybe deals with anxiety or fear or control issues. Two words, two words and a theory behind them is been life-changing for a lot of people. Will you share about the let them theory?

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Mallory Ervin is a small-town girl turned internet and entrepreneurial superstar. She's a best-selling author, an online mega-influencer. She's also the founder of Living Fully Co. I'd never felt so worthless in my life. Because you attached worthiness to appearance? A hundred percent. So many people right now listening to us are struggling with perfectionism, with people pleasing.

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Is that because you attached worthiness to appearance? A hundred percent.

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Like you are not your achievements. You are not your appearance. You are not your, do I have something different than everyone else? But like, how do you believe you are enough exactly as you are without these other things?

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This is huge. I think so many of us and so many people listening think that they, to be enough, they need their career. But who are you without your career? Or they need to be so-and-so's mom or, you know, this, this. or this thing or this contribution. Equally, there are people that think I have to give and give and give and people please and give and serve. And that's beautiful.

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And also, who are you without all that? And just to kind of hopefully for this to hit home for everyone listening, because you're talking about almost learning to feel more fulfilled, learning to not wrap your identity in any of those things, whether it's your accomplishment or what you're known for or needing to stand out and be different from others or needing to look a certain way.

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Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious. and so is self-belief. And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you, delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me.

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And that when everything was stripped away, And you literally were at your lowest point. Then learning to love yourself innately for the innate beautiful soul that you are is how you actually then started to become your most fulfilled.

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Because we're in a world where everyone believes the same thing about themselves. Yes. That if they can only achieve that or look a certain way, then they'll finally be enough. Then they'll finally be happy. So everyone's believing the same lie. So then they're congratulating you. Yeah. For getting closer to that lie. Yeah. And we're in this kind of like whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's why for decades of my life, I thought, oh, if I achieve enough, then I'll feel enough. If I'm pleased enough other people, then I'll finally feel enough. And I lost decades of my life just achieving, achieving or trying to make everyone else happy. And no matter how many people I made happy, I still felt like something's missing, like I'm not enough.

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And then I thought, well, I just need to achieve more. I need to just make more people. And you just never felt, you never. Perpetual cycle to nowhere. It is a perpetual cycle to nowhere. I love that.

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I think this is such a big challenge for every single one of us to even today have a conversation with someone, maybe someone you don't know yet, in the coffee shop, wherever, and try to not tell them any of the things about you that make you feel enough. Like, oh, my child is this, or this is my partner, and actually just try to just be you without sharing any of those things.

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For most of us, it's really hard. Really, really hard. And it's almost like this baby step toward worthiness, which is just like to learn to first believe that we are enough innately, because we are. We are. All those other things are like distractions that make us think we're not actually. But just like try to have a conversation without saying what you do without.

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And try to have a conversation with another person without asking them about all the external things.

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Yes. Each other still on site. Anyone listening or watching who hasn't heard of this on site workshops in Nashville, Tennessee. And then there's a place called in San Diego called the Oaks.

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And I did on site as well. They have so many different they actually have treatment and recovery programs. And then they also have like leadership development and trauma therapy. Yes. And I went there for a week and it was life changing.

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change it was marriage changing life changing uh and I remember that so well what Mallory's talking about is they you're there with 50 other people and they put you in small groups but or you could do individuals if you want but you're not allowed to say what you do and you're not allowed to ask anyone else what you do yeah and and when I went it was for a week and it was the most and it's wild how your brain starts to start guessing what someone does yes and uh I uh I uh

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And to not identify with those things, it's so powerful because you can just exhale and not identify with those things. But it's also just weird not to ask somebody.

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And feel enough as who we are just to have a conversation. And I think that is really powerful that you didn't necessarily know you wanted to or needed to do that work, but what a gift that that happened in treatment.

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And you know, it's wild. I always believe in full circle moments. I always believe our steps are ordered. Like when I waitress to Denny's and the kitchen was a disaster, they could not get pancakes out on time. Customers would leave. I'd get no tip. There were so many things that happened.

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And I loved, I loved waitressing, but I learned this lesson that many years later when I launched a company, I'm like, we've got to get the operations right. If the operations aren't right, nothing else matters. And I just like, I can look back at these different experiences and I'm just thinking of you and your life right now and how you impact millions, millions of women around

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literally, and people, but millions of women turn to you every day for friendship, for hope, for inspiration. They support your businesses. And I think one of the biggest reasons, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this if you agree with this or not, but one of the biggest reasons, not just that your products are phenomenal, which you know I love them, but that you fully show up

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the good parts, the bad parts, the messy parts, the really, really real parts. And people connect with you for that. And I just wonder, had you not gone through one of the hardest things of your life, addiction and being in recovery,

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for six months and actually being stripped down to learning to love yourself for who you are, could you be showing up as actually who you are today, having all this success?

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What do you say to the person listening right now who knows it's them right now?

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I am so excited today. Mallory Irvin is a small town girl turned internet and entrepreneurial superstar. She grew up on a farm in Kentucky, the oldest of 23 first cousins designated to do big things, and that she is. She's a bestselling author. an online mega influencer through her podcast, YouTube, and social media platforms.

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Every single one of them. I think when we're in it, you know, so many people, first of all, there's so many different types of addiction. I think if you're, you know, in a situation where you're privileged enough to be able to find treatment and enter it, even then so many people feel so much shame around it. They want to hide. They don't want anyone to know they're addicted.

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They don't, they, they, they worry about that. And I know you, you know, being the oldest of 23 cousins, having all these external accomplishments, having a family that, you know, is so legacy focused and proud and all of these things and, and you dealing with perfectionism. What would you say just to the person? I think Mallory is

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where you're at now to kind of show that like what you're, part of what you're saying is that, you know, yeah, you might go through embarrassment. Yeah, you might feel shame right now. Yeah, you might be hiding it. But would you say your deepest sense of connection and respect from others and joy and all the most beautiful things awaits you on the other side?

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And I was the singer. I was going to say, you're the hero. You're the one everyone says, that's our Mallory.

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy.

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How to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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She not only inspires millions, she's also the founder of Living Fully Co, where you can get the best sweatshirts on the planet. I happen to be wearing them right now and pretty much every day. That is what I'm wearing. And her new pajama and lifestyle company called In My Sundays. She is also my dear friend, Mallory Urban. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together.

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You're the hero. You're the one everyone says, that's our Mallory.

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I'm so excited to be on the Jamie Kern Lima Show. I'm so honored you're here. I'm so happy to be here. I have. I'm so excited, first of all, for our conversation because you and I talk for hours and hours and hours. And I just... The way that I feel... When I talk with you, the way that I am inspired, the way that we connect, and I just, I'm excited to welcome everyone in to this conversation.

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It is the truth. And everything in your life right now proves that. Yeah. Right? You know, a lot of times when we have... different types of struggles or different types of addiction and we might solve it in one area, it pops up in another area. Oh yeah, whack-a-mole, that's what they call it.

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Anyone who needs to feel less alone, more enough, more inspired. And I just want to ask you, you know, right off the top, so many women struggle with perfectionism and people pleasing. And I know it's been an obstacle for me. It's been an obstacle for you in your life. And so many people, I think, connect with you through really watching you overcome it, cheering you on through it.

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You see people that, you know, maybe have food addiction and they do something about that or, but then all of a sudden, you know, or they find a solution to that. Now, all of a sudden they're gambling or they're shopping or have you seen when you, when you went through recovery, have you, has, has any type of like addictive tendencies popped up in other areas of your life and your journey?

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Can you talk about your journey? Because so many people right now listening to us are struggling with perfectionism, with people pleasing. Yeah. Yeah. How have you gone through that, navigated it, overcome it, all that? Yes.

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So beautiful to have that faith, even when you're going through stuff that does not make sense, doesn't have an explanation for it, nothing anyone else can say. No. And just to have that undeniable faith through it.

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Yeah. Does Kyle, your husband Kyle, share the same story? And liable faith as well.

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Yeah. You're, you have three kids. You're the breadwinner of the family.

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Kyle stays home. He does. He does. which for a lot of people believe that's the hardest job on the planet. It's way harder. Way harder. How has that been for you being the breadwinner, both just in your marriage, in what we learn. Societal norms. Societal norms. Yeah. That some would say are antiquated, but they are still around. Yes. How has that been and how is that?

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Does it ever with Kyle or just with your marriage, does it ever present any challenges because of like traditional?

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Yes, yes. You know, I think if we are blessed and privileged enough to have a situation where a partner wants to be the stay-at-home parent, you know, I have to tell you, Mallory, in my, in most of my friendships, it's the woman that's working and their partners stay at home. Yes. And they would not trade it for anything. Like they love, they love knowing like someone's there, everything's okay.

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They can travel. They can like different things like that. And that, and that their kids are, are, are in such great hands and things are changing really, really rapidly. Um, you know, but we're still in that, in that point where it's typically been a little different in the past. Um, but yeah, every woman I know who has, uh, who their, their, their partners stay at home, they love it.

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Just like Kyle's like, oh, sometimes I miss. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, two things. First, before I ask this question that I just know is going to be so meaningful to every person listening, and it's something that your grandpa said. But before I get to that, I just want to say to everyone listening, I just have to say, and I'm not just bragging on my friend, but even before...

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Mallory and I were good friends. You make the best sweatshirts in the world. Living Fully Co. Her sweatshirts sell out in minutes. So if you ever want to grab one, make sure you're like ahead of it on the sale. I'll link everything in the show. Her pajamas in my Sundays.

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Her pajamas are better than the most, and literally it's proven how they're made, better than the most expensive pajamas on the market. And you're not paying the most expensive price, but they are phenomenal. So I'm going to link those as well. Mallory and I did a really, really fun sweatshirt collab. Woo!

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but everything sells out in seconds so if you want to get her sweatshirts definitely check out and then of course her book Living Fully is amazing and her show as well her podcast so many things I'm going to link below but how I would love to to kind of wrap this up on is something that when you shared it it just shook me to my core about this idea that every single one of us um

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We might have ideas. We might have goals and dreams. And if we are blessed enough to still have time, how that puts life in perspective. And can you share, I believe it was Christmas Day and then the day after Christmas. with your grandpa, who he was, what he shared, what he shared, that when I heard you share it, just my whole being, I felt it in every ounce of my being.

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And we need your ideas and this world. needs your ideas. Mallory Irvin, thank you. And I love you.

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Thank you. Do you struggle with negative self-talk? Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit. The words you say to yourself about yourself are so powerful. And when you learn to take control over your self-talk, it's life-changing.

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And I wanted to give you a free resource that I created for you if this is something that could benefit your life. It's called Five Ways to Overcome Negative Self-Talk and Build Self-Love. And it's a free how-to guide to overcome that negative self-talk to build confidence and develop unshakable self-love so that you can dream big and keep going in the pursuit of your goals.

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Don't let self-sabotaging thoughts hinder your progress any longer. It's time to rewrite the script of your life when filled with self-love, resilience, and unwavering belief.

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I went from struggling waitress facing nonstop rejection to founder of IT Cosmetics, a billion dollar company, by learning how to overcome self-doubt and believe I am worthy of my hopes and dreams. And I'm sharing how you can too in my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life.

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It's such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. If you love this episode's insights, this next transformative episode is for you.

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I just wonder, had you not gone through one of the hardest things of your life, addiction and being in recovery for six months and actually being stripped down to learning to love yourself for who you are, could you be showing up as actually who you are today, having all this success?

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Yeah. This is really, really big when you, what you just said, because we kind of, it's so easy to believe the lie. Oh, I've got to be perfect to be loved or, and for a lot of us, I've got to be perfect to love myself. To love myself. Right. And, and, and in both cases,

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you're actually, when you talk about living fully, you're actually living a lot less fully when you're trying to be perfect because you're not being all of who you are and who you truly are. And you experienced this like firsthand. How in that six months in treatment, how did you get to the point where,

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where you did the work on perfectionism and what are some of the things that you kind of maybe either had to learn or unlearn, I guess, in that journey?

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What do you say to the person listening right now who knows it's them right now and no one else in their life does?

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Coming up, an incredible Part 2 episode with Kelsey Grammer, where he shares things he's never shared before and reveals stories that have changed his life for the first time ever. These inspiring stories and incredible life-changing lessons just might change your life today, too.

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We need to pause for a super brief break. And while we do, take a moment to share this episode with every single person that you know who this could inspire. Because this conversation can truly be the words and inspiration they need to hear today to keep going, to remember that they matter, and to feel less alone and more enough, more connected, and more worthy. I am so excited for this book.

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It's worthy. Imagine what would you do if you fully believed in you? I went from struggling waitress facing nonstop rejection to founder of It Cosmetics, a billion dollar company, by learning how to overcome self-doubt and believe I'm worthy of my hopes and dreams. And I'm sharing how you can too in my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life.

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because what you're about to hear could change your life and theirs too. Also, every episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show features a wide range of guests. I believe that you can't help heal humanity through love unless you understand the humans that make it up. I have friends who vote differently, love differently, and believe completely differently than me.

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If you're ready to truly trust yourself and break through that barrier of self-doubt and know that where you come from or even where you are right now doesn't determine where you're going, then Worthy is for you. time to go from doubting you're enough to knowing you're enough. It's time to step into all of who you are and into the person you were born to be.

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And it's time to believe that you are worthy of it. Because in life, we don't become what we want. We become what we believe we're worthy of.

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Yo. Oh my God. Worthy, you are worthy.

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This book literally will teach you how to actually feel worthy so that you can have the strength, you can have the confidence.

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The gifts are going away, but they're all free right now on worthybook.com. And now more of this incredible conversation together. Question I have for you too is, do you ever, do you ever, like struggle with that because it's like, you look at everything you've accomplished.

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I mean, you know, and, and, and, and, and I've had people say that to me, they're like, Oh, you know, you've built this huge business. You've done this, you do that, that the, these awards that this, that, and then I asked myself, am I like, am I thinking I have to keep achieving to feel worthy? And so how do you reconcile that?

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I've gotten hate for giving them love, but I'll never stop doing that because I know why I'm here. and it's to be a force for love. This world now more than ever desperately needs the force for love inside each of us.

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That surprises me because it feels like on the outside that you've gone for everything else.

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So that's the, that's the one thing. And then also the, do I go all in, scrap everything and just be fully immersed in family?

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You can't help heal humanity through love if you only love the people who are just like you and aren't truly open and curious about the humans who make up the collective humanity that I believe is possible for all of us to heal together. And with that, let's get this episode started.

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Do you ever struggle with how much of your real life to share publicly when in your professional life you most often play different characters or you have a celebrity persona? Do you ever feel like you have to hide anything? Or do you feel more like this is who I am and we should all be who we are?

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You know, with all this stuff about like who you are and being out there in the public and all this stuff, you're really, you've been maybe more so lately, I don't know, but you've been sharing a lot of your views publicly, you know, like about faith and about politics and everything else. I saw at Mar-a-Lago, like there's pictures everywhere.

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Oprah, how have you defied the odds?

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Well, you're like you. Maybe I have this wrong. I'm just talking as a regular person on the outside. I don't know if it's just more lately, but, yeah, I see you kind of in the press and online and stuff more active with politics.

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Maybe. So when you're at Mar-a-Lago, I think you spoke out about your support of Donald Trump in his first election.

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Do you feel like if you went to Washington having already had success, you would be less likely to be swayed by anything?

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When you talk about senators and you talk about, you know, how long people are in Washington, there's so much talk about, like, should a president ever be able to do more than two terms?

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Kelsey is a Golden Globe award-winning, Emmy award-winning, Tony award-winning, Screen Actors Guild award-winning, People's Choice award-winning actor, comedian, and producer. He first gained fame for his role as Dr. Frasier Crane on the hit TV show Cheers, and later it's spinoff Frasier.

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When George Washington, too, like having having such absolute power, but then saying, oh, I'm actually going to this is what's best for the country, for someone else to step in, not for someone to.

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Do you if I have to ask you this, because if I didn't ask you, this will be the thing everyone's thinking right now. It's just all over the news right now. But if if if if Trump says that he wants a third term, would you support that? No, no, no.

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Yeah, you will. So when you say, too, that you think that you support Donald Trump, obviously over half the country agrees with you. And do you feel like he's doing a good job? Yeah, actually, I do.

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I think what's so fascinating to me is when you walk into Washington or you're driving your car and it shuts off and starts or you're in Mar-a-Lago that you have the, I guess would you call them whispers, that you could do a good job in that role.

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On the topic of success leaves clues, right? Your perspective on the people that are maybe your opposition or don't believe in you or come against you. Some people would take that as like, oh, I'm never going to make it. Or they would take it as, you know, whatever, whatever. But do you think those things happen for you?

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You know, you're so convicted in your beliefs and your values. You talk about this in Karen, which is out now. I love understanding also the humans that make up humanity. I think people are so scared right now to share how they feel or what they believe. Or, you know, I think like people have been I think I think for the past decade.

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I would say at least five to 10 years, teachers have been scared to share how they feel in the classroom. And people have been scared that they're going to say the wrong thing or get something wrong or be accused of something that they totally didn't intend to do. And I think everyone's just walking around on eggshells. And in the book, I really feel like we're with you and we're

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And we understand you and understand your thoughts and what you believe. And you talk a lot about your values in there, too. You know, you talk about I think it was six months before Karen passed when you were with a girlfriend. Yeah.

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at the time has it, has your, has its impact on you changed over time or the meaning you see it as changed over time versus when you were 18?

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Do you still think about it about when you're 18?

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Yeah, I would never ask you, but it's in the book.

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So you revisited it for that reason.

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And you're very clear how you feel about it in the book.

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for you to talk about your own experience with it, how it's impacted you emotionally, how you feel now today. I have friends that are very pro-choice and friends that are very pro-life and they have, many of them have had abortions. And I watch now, I'm 47, and I've been in conversations where they've been in therapy about it and dealing with it in very different ways.

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And sometimes the way you might feel about it in one phase of life changes into another phase of life. And why I wanted to bring it up is this isn't something people talk about. So when I think about the number of people that are going to be listening or watching right now that have had this experience as well, and maybe they've never told anybody. Yeah.

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not even their partner, nobody, but they're dealing with it internally. I just wanna call this out because I think that the journey that the reader's gonna go on in your book, I think, yes, it's this honoring of a joy and light that is your sister, Karen. It's your own journey to where you're at now with it and with your relationship with her in your life.

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But it's also the reader's journey in their own personal life.

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I also feel like so many of the things that the opposition that comes against us, like at least I think in my journey, so many rejections, so many no's, so many closed doors. I know in acting, that's like... A Tuesday. But in entrepreneurship, oh, my gosh, the number of no's.

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I wanna call something out you just said too because I wondered this when I read the book and I wasn't gonna ask you this, but I wondered.

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We need to pause for a super brief break and while we do, take a moment to share this episode with every single person that you know who this could inspire because this conversation can truly be the words and inspiration they need to hear today to keep going, to remember that they matter, and to feel less alone and more enough, more connected and more worthy.

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I want to call something out you just said, too, because I wondered this when I read the book and I wasn't going to ask you this, you know, but I wondered. And and so you're sharing that a little bit about this. And I guess you talk a little bit about it, but.

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And I feel like I feel like I, through all of them, got strong enough to carry the weight of success because that also comes with a whole lot of stuff that, you know, it comes with a whole lot of other things. worries or problems or whatever. Um, but I've always thought that like, okay, you know, it's happening for me. And I used to pray.

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our humanness wants to think that if something bad happened to us in our life, it's our fault or it's because we did something and now this is karma or we did something and now God's punishing us. And And when you just mentioned that, that having an abortion at age 18, then six months later, this tragedy happens with the loss of your sister's life.

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And so when did you have those thoughts like, oh, is this because of what I did? Was that like, was that immediately? Instantly. Yeah. Yeah. You said God is not tit for tat.

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Isn't it wild that it's everywhere now, whether you're a politician or I mean, I have friends call me all the time or people reaching out online for advice because, you know, they're a lawyer. They didn't want a public profile ever. They're a doctor. They didn't want a public profile. But now they're everything. Everything's online.

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And then they get reviews on these sites and they don't even know who's writing those reviews. And then it's just like everything now. I almost feel like you and I feel like you can barely like if you do anything at all, it's going to come with success. so much criticism in 2025.

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And I feel like, you know, I think about growing up when someone was mad about something, they wrote a letter and maybe someone saw that letter. Now it's like, you know, do you remember like even, um, you know, there would be food critics and they'd, you know, built trust for decades with their craft to write a review of a restaurant.

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And now it's sort of like everyone is, you know, it's just so different.

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I used to thank God for the open doors and for the closed doors and just trust, like trust that he'll block my value from people who aren't assigned to my destiny, you know? And like anytime someone would just like, not believe in the company or think I don't have what it takes or whatever. I'd be like, okay, instead of being like, oh, this is never going to happen for me.

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somehow this thing has happened. And I feel like even more so in the past couple of years, now that so much is online where you're like vilified, if you're around someone who believes different than you do or votes different or loves different, or I, you know, identifies different, whatever it might be.

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And it's like, people just get, and I just feel like what makes me, and now I have, you know, I have five families I've adopted. It's a whole long story, but you know, this, There's times where people can't talk about politics or Thanksgiving will end.

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And it's interesting that I just feel like if we have a shot at healing humanity through love, you can't do that if you don't understand the humans that make it up. And if you only spend time around people who believe what you believe, how can you ever... help heal humanity.

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And one of the things I'm most proud of just in my life and my family on this show is just really extending not only the good manners, but just love, actual love, whether someone believes what you believe or don't or any of that, because it's like, how else are we going to ever

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All the data proves this. It's like if you go around looking for what's wrong in everyone else, you're also so much more likely to only see what's wrong in yourself. And that is not very fun because I'll speak for myself. There's a lot wrong with me. So like it's so but but it's so contagious where you can sit with somebody, even if whether you totally agree on everything or you don't, whatever.

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I'd be like, okay, God's blocking my value from them because they're not supposed to be my investor. They're not supposed to be my partner. They're not supposed to, I'm not supposed to go in that store right now or whatever it might be. And I feel like that perspective, um, almost like how, almost like the meaning we assigned to it can change, can change everything. Blocking my value.

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And you like just see the beauty in them. It's like you're so much more likely to see the beauty in yourself. And like when you see God in them, just all of it. It's just like, it's sort of like the secret to, it's a secret to success in many ways, or at least to a lot more happiness in life.

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You know, it's not very fun to, and like, I just feel so bad for people right now that spend all their time like attacking everyone online. Cause it's like, that's just such a, you know, energies can be so contagious.

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Yeah, not a very nice way to live. Today, what brings you the most joy?

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Yeah. Seeing you both walk in, though, both you and Kate, you and I are meeting for the first time together.

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It feels like freedom when you're yourself and so many people wonder, this is just my theory on this, and there is data that backs this up, but there's so many people that wonder why they feel lonely or why they feel disconnected or why they feel all these things, but yet...

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So many of us, we're people pleasers or we show up as our representative or the person we think we need to be to like ace this thing or sit in the boardroom or wear the lab coat or whatever it might be. And it's like all the data says when we show up as our representative, it's not who you fully, truly are. It's like impossible to have a true connection, you know, with another person in real life.

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versus when you're just like this, you know, because how can you be loved if you're your representative? Like, how can you feel that true, I guess, back to the quantum entanglement, you know, like the essence exchange, right? Like the exchange of essence. And then you're, you're, you have that connection.

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Yeah. So you praise your kids and profess your pride for each of them in this book. And you also say, in case they don't know this, which is quite possible, they can read it here.

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I get so angry about this. Because I just feel, Kelsey, I feel like the quickest way to dole ourselves down is to not be open and not be so curious and to not want to understand. And by the way, this is just my opinion, but anyone in Hollywood who wants to make money on their film and wants all the things, I feel like, I'll just speak for myself, I feel like

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By the time I made it on QVC where I was able to share our products with, I mean, QVC broadcasts live to 100 million homes. I felt like what came with me to that moment was all of my experience of understanding all different kinds of people because that's who my customer is. That's who's watching.

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It's every type of person, whether they're Republican or Democrat, whether they're, you know, whatever, their background. And, like, I remember praying before my first airing, and I remember thinking, like, And what's coming with me is my five families. And by the way, they're very divided politically. They have so many different experiences. My day's waitressing tables.

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And I feel like our steps are ordered in life. I feel like by the time I got my one shot on QVC, I felt like I knew who was at home because I felt like I had had enough life experience to understand whether she felt this way or that way. Like I felt like I was able to understand to the best of my ability at that point. all kinds of women that were going to buy this product.

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And so it's like, when I think about Hollywood or any profession, I would want to understand and have, you know, a team made up of different kinds of people, even if, you know, in the past they don't bring on, you know, conservative leaning or whatever.

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It's like, if you're going to understand your audience watching this movie and you're going to like, you want to understand humans, you want to like have that insight, whether you're a writer, a director, a producer,

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Yeah. Well, when you produce and when you do things, do you bring on people no matter their political views? Absolutely.

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Okay. Something exciting that was just announced, that you're playing Beast in Avengers Doomsday. Can you tell us just about that? And how long are you in makeup now?

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making primetime television history, playing one of the longest running roles for more than 20 years by a single actor. He is the founder of Faith American Brewing Company, a husband to his wife, Kate, and the father of seven children. It was recently announced he'll be playing Beast, in the much anticipated Avengers Doomsday.

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ethical conduct he's a man who studies good and does his best to live by that and I like that you know what's so interesting just about our conversation to me is I've watched you tear up talking about your sister your wife Kate your kids and then just now about Beast about how much you care about that role I was not expecting this I'm watching your whole eyes change right now Yeah.

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That's probably why fans reacted so exciting that you're doing the role, because it's so clear.

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Love is the way. For someone listening right now who's like, oh, is the book Karen for me? What would you say to them?

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And what a journey to discover yourself again also.

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I didn't even know if you'd laugh that I got you cocktail onions because of what's in the book.

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And you opened them and you're already eating them.

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That is a first on the Jamie Kern Lima show. That is a first.

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Doing both. Yeah. A lot of people love that. They'll have the book and they'll listen to the audio while they're reading it. And they feel like it just like is a whole visceral experience.

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So many people, I think, if they haven't maybe been exposed to this before, they just think like, oh, if you're the kid of someone famous, you just have it easy.

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And today we're actually seeing a deeply personal and intimate part of Kelsey and perhaps one of the most important and meaningful works of his life, Kelsey's brand new book, where he explores love, loss, healing, and celebrating the memory of a life filled with joy.

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What kind of dad would you say that they would say you are?

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Hmm. There's a, you know, with parenting, it's interesting. I grew up with parents that worked so much that I always thought, oh, I'm going to be there all the time for my kids. And now I work so much. Kelsey, there's days I would rather work than do anything else. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like repeating this. And recently my daughter said to me, like, are you working again? And she's six.

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And I'm like, oh my gosh. And so I feel like, I feel like every one of us is on this journey of how do I grow and how do I become, you know, I guess the highest, Oprah would say the highest, truest expression of ourselves. Right. And, and, and when we, you know, I think, I bet you there's not a single parent listening that can ever be like, oh, I did it all perfect. You know what I mean?

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And I think, too, if we do it all perfect, then we raise kids that can't handle anything.

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And also what if, yeah, maybe they're out in however many years, but also what if it's for you? And what if it's for you and Kate doing that?

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It's so wild. You just said that because I have the same thoughts, you know, I do. I think sometimes like I will tell my husband, like, what if we just, you know, we'll just move here and like, I'll just like be home and, and, and not miss anything.

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Yeah, exactly. And I have those thoughts. He would be so happy because, you know, we both did like hundred hour weeks forever. Now I'm still the one working this hard and he's he's good. He runs our family office. He does you know, he works and he does all the things. But he would be I think his fear is that I work too much. So I think like he would actually be so happy.

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But I actually have the same thoughts. I'm like, am I getting it wrong? Because also, I don't know if you ever struggle with this, but I struggle with this like, because I know if you have creativity in you and it's unexpressed, it can express itself in other ways that are not good. So it's like if... You know, if God put this in me and I'm supposed to be offering creatively to the world, right?

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But at the same time, but at the same time, I'm like, am I missing out on the things that actually matter? Because also, when is it enough? Which is actually a question I have for you, too, is do you ever do you ever like struggle with that? Because you look at everything you've accomplished. I mean. You know, and I've had people say that to me.

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They're like, oh, you know, you've built this huge business. You've done this. You do that. These awards that this that. And then I ask myself, am I like am I thinking I have to keep achieving to feel worthy? And so how do you reconcile that?

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You know, I've talked to a number of therapists about it, and there's so many different from plant medicine journeys to psychedelics to MDMA, which is a form of ecstasy. There's different modalities that so many people are turning to and so many doctors are turning to and so many therapists are turning to. And I know a lot of the therapists I've spoken to

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they won't even let any of their clients do it without, you know, six months of pre-work going deep into things and then making sure the practitioner, the guide with them is just like top notch and then the plan after. And so, and so, You made the decision to do MDMA. And I just want to say, I'm living through you in this experience.

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For decades, Amy ran through the dirt roads of Amarillo, Texas, where she grew up, to the campus of the University of Virginia as a student athlete, on the streets of New York, where she built her adult life through marriage, motherhood, and a thriving career. She's a board member of many beloved companies, including Spanx and Bumble, and the founder of the investment firm G9 Ventures.

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When I read The Tell, which everyone needs to grab The Tell, Amy's brand new book. It is out now. It is phenomenal. And I feel like you're going to go on this journey through Amy of almost thinking about your own life.

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story, your own hero's journey in your life, your own... For me, I really thought back even to some memories I think maybe I've suppressed in different parts of my life, or maybe I don't even know happened. And just thinking about how perfectionism shows up in our life, how... Everything, you know, I remember I didn't even drink until I was 30 because I didn't want to be out of control.

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I mean, there's so many layers to this and I connect with you on that. And so I just, I want to just frame that because for you, someone who has... on the outside, and you're someone that doesn't need to write a book. You don't need to share all of this deep, vulnerable stuff. And I just want to give everyone context.

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There's going to be a lot of people watching this or listening that know who you are that are already fans or love everything you're doing out there in the business world and to empower women. And for everyone who's discovering Amy for the first time, this is so powerful because the what is on what the vulnerability of sharing this part of your life to the outside world, um,

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Everyone knows you for your incredible philanthropy, for all of the things that you and your husband do in New York and beyond. Also for all of the companies you've invested in, for helping take Bumble public, for an IPO, for being on the board of all these businesses, for investing in founders. You know, everything is just sort of like, you know...

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looks like the most, um, I'm not going to use the word perfect, but the most ideal, amazing fairy tale. And, and everyone sees you online with every celebrity under the sun, uh, you know, who all just adore you, uh, and, and love you. You know, I had the gift of speaking at G9 summit at your summit. I remember being on stage, um, looking out into the audience and being like, Oh,

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And I don't ever get fazed by this, but I was admiring how many incredible women who are iconic in our culture and in our history were there for you and to be in this group. So my point in sharing all this is to say, everything is as picture perfect, aspirational ideal as it could be. And you are choosing, and this is so powerful.

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You guys, I believe, I believe why Oprah was, was, was able to shift culture and to help heal humanity through love is because she shared the parts of herself that we all can connect to. We all can relate to. You're sharing everything. parts of your journey and your story that you could have so easily kept secret that I think are going to inspire so many people today.

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There's no other way you would do this unless it was something greater than yourself, unless it was to be an offering and help beyond yourself, because it's the most vulnerable thing you can do.

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I gave myself permission to tell. So I know everyone's on the edge of their seats right now because they want to know and live vicariously through you in the start of what this looks like and then sort of like go through your story along with you. So you decide to, after doing a whole lot of work, to then... weave in MDMA and psychedelics into your journey. And so can you explain what happens?

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Now, to outsiders, it all looks so perfect, but Amy was running from something, a secret that she was keeping not only from her family and friends, but unconsciously from herself.

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You mentioned you put the pill in. So you walk in and can you sort of set the stage for us on what this is like and what your experience was like as you experienced it the first time?

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So began Amy's quest to solve a mystery trapped in the deep recesses of her own memory, a journey that would take her into the burgeoning field of psychedelic therapy to the limits of the judicial system and ultimately home to the Texas panhandle where her story began.

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So you're laying down, and you have an eye shade on. You take the pill. You lay down. You have an eye shade on. Is there music? There was music playing.

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Wow. And you just started having memories of things that you never had before.

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What would it look like? When you said to the woman, the practitioner with you, so you have the blindfold on and you say to her, he's here. Share with us that moment. Who is he? What's happening?

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In her search for the truth to understand and begin to recover from buried childhood trauma, Amy interrogates the pursuit of perfectionism, control, and maintaining appearances that drive so many women, asking when in our path from girlhood to womanhood did we learn to look outside ourselves for validation?

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When you said he's here, the he is a teacher. And that first moment, that first memory, was that when you were about 11 or 12? You say, he's here. And was the first memory that resurfaced that you're remembering for the first time, was that in the school bathroom on the floor with the teacher, your teacher? Raping you.

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He says to you, Amy, you're the real leader of the school. We know who the real leader is of the school.

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What kind of freedom is possible if we accept the whole story and embrace who we really are? With hope, heart, and relentless honesty, she points a way forward for all of us, revealing the power of radical truth telling to deepen our connections with others and ourselves. Amy Griffin, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. I'm so happy to be here.

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You, you know, you talk about in the tell the journey, your brand new book, everyone's got to go get it right now. Thank you, Jenny. The biggest cheerleader. Thank you for making me feel worthy. Oh my gosh. It's just, it's, Yeah, it's vulnerable and it's powerful and I'm excited for everyone to read it.

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You talk about this journey of these resurface, these memories surfacing for the first time of repeated abuse from the same teacher growing up and all of the ages as a child growing And this happening over and over, and the moment that you're 16, pulling into, and you see him in the parking lot, and he says, let's do it again for old time's sake.

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And you're in the tennis pavilion, or the tennis closet. And what I want to call out here is that all of these memories were suppressed, right? your whole life, as you've built this entire life, you come from a family where you had, as you share, incredible parents and... Incredible. Incredible. And everything, again, in your childhood was so supportive and rock solid.

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And from all outside looking in, the perfect family, the perfect child, everything... He threatened you what he would do if you ever told anybody, and you never did. You never did. And then as an adult, building everything that you've built and doing everything that you've done, you know, didn't remember these things until you did. And I want to ask you, Amy, why?

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you know, how you feel, because I know you're sharing and connecting all the dots on what this means in your life now, but how do you think never telling anyone about these parts of your life to the point where you didn't remember them yourself, right? And how do you think that showed up in your life before these memories surfaced? Like, how did it impact your life?

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Because, and I'm asking because... You look at the data, you look at the statistics, you look at how many people. One in three women. One in three women. One in three women. And how many people sharing this moment with you and me right now who know that they've never told.

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And I just want to ask you from your personal experience, leading up to the moment where you pulled yourself, how did, you've had the author of The Body Keeps the Score write a beautiful testimonial for your book. How did this impact you in your life leading up to it that probably made you want to embark on this journey to begin with? Because it can impact all of us.

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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You're so happy to come visit. Oh my gosh. I'm happy. And you and I were like, our eyes are watering up for every person who's going to share this conversation with us. Who's listening, who's watching right now. There are so many people who have a story to tell and they haven't told it. They have a book to write. They haven't written it. What is so inspiring about

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Plus, when you're a part of my free inspirational newsletter community, you'll be the first to get behind the scenes content, inspirational messages, and be the first to learn about upcoming events and more. It's the place to be, and I sure hope you'll join me there. So if you're not on the list yet, You can sign up for free at jamiekernlima.com or click the link in the show notes below.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. How did this impact you in your life leading up to it that probably made you want to embark on this journey to begin with? Because it can impact all of us.

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this conversation we're gonna have is I know every person listening is gonna like literally speak to their soul on their own hero's journey in their life. Amy, you grew up in Amarillo, Texas. You were a student athlete at University of Virginia. You built a life that most people say is what fairy tales are made of. You married an amazing man, John, who I've had the gift of meeting.

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Can you talk about that? Because you have done so much work. to be in this place where you're able to talk about the joy and the gratitude and the through line and all the things. But you go deep into this in the tell, in your brand new book that's out now, you go deep into it where you say your life was turned upside down.

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Because for anybody to have a memory like this that's been suppressed, that memory, surfaces, obviously impacts every single area and relationship of your life, your relationship with yourself. When these memories surfaced and you're like, oh, I was abused by my teacher for all of these years, endured all of these things, haven't told a soul.

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And now all of a sudden this is there and it surfaces in your life. And how, two things I want to ask you. And one is, and I know you talk about this in the tell, did you ever go, is this real? Yeah. Of course. Right?

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You have four children, a thriving career. I think to outsiders, they look at it and in so many ways, it seems perfect. But you say you were running from something, a secret that you say you were keeping from everyone, including unconsciously from yourself. That's right, Jamie.

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You said your life's turned upside down when these memories resurface and other people... they do remember things in their life and they know that if they were to even acknowledge them, let alone tell anyone, their life will be turned upside down. And this is a really big decision.

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And what I wonder is with everything that happened, and I want everyone to get the book, so I'm not going to give it all away, but just the weight of of deciding to share this with your parents and what happens when you do that. Because we can break someone else's heart so easily. The weight of sharing it with your husband, the weight of sharing it with your kids, the weight of all of that.

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And then everything you go through and you talk so vulnerable, you share so vulnerably in this book. about the things, how you've reacted, how it came out in other areas of your life, on the bike ride with your husband, just the things that maybe you wish you could take back, but everyone's going to relate to, and just how heavy a journey like this is. Before deciding to do all of this work and to

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give yourself permission and to do the psychedelics and to do the therapy. And before deciding to do all that, you didn't even know. You didn't consciously, you weren't consciously aware of these memories of being abused by your teacher for all these years. But I did. You did because it was in your body.

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Right, right. And the journey. I was on the edge of my seat. I won't give all of it away. Okay, you guys have got to read this. It's called The Tell. It's out now. But the journey of...

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reaching out to others that were in the school at the same time, the journey of the legal process, the journey of people who knew this teacher, there's so many layers, you know, but how it affected also, you know, when we go through hard things, as you said, your life was turned upside down, you know, moments where you and your husband had to decide, you know, how is this going to work in our marriage?

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How is, you know, you're on such a, such a journey. And, you know, what I want to ask you, because I think this is a question so many people struggle with in their own lives. Are you glad you know? Because let me preface this. So many people, they don't want to go to the doctor and do a preventative test because they don't want to know anything's wrong with them.

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I have family members, Amy, that they'll go do their annual physical maybe, but if there's like so many medical advances where, oh, we can do a test that checks for 50 types of cancer, they won't do it. They don't want to know. And I don't get that I'm different. I want to know. I want to know everything. But now, in hindsight, I think so many of us value certainty. We value control.

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And I think that's why a lot of people are scared to even acknowledge parts of their story, let alone share them. So having this experience where... Where everything that was suppressed in terms of what you share in the towel surfaced. And the aftermath of that, all of it. Right now as you sit here, do you ever wish you didn't know? Are you 100% glad that you know?

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you know, in the talks with your daughters where comments from mom, where are you to like, who are you? And do I really know you and all the things you talk a lot about through sharing your story through this whole journey and the tell the power of deepening connections and deepening the relationships that you always hold so close. How has this journey changed?

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impacted the depth of connection you have with your daughters and your kids?

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What if I told you you are the hero of your own life? When you think about the journey of your life so far and how you have the power to decide how your story continues to unfold, would you say you're writing and casting yourself as the hero? Or do you feel like a background role still waiting to step into center stage and share your truth?

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Do you feel that they or have they expressed to you that they feel a deeper sense of knowing who you are and connecting to you when you share something that's just so vulnerable with them?

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Yeah, that's so beautiful. Do you think your kids are more- By the way, I'm not perfect anymore.

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Keep your stuff off the floor. It is not an accident. You are so successful. You'll text me if you're going to be one minute late somewhere. So I know you. But I think, you know, listen, it's so funny that those kind of traits sure are helpful in business and in making things happen and all the other things. But I have to say that.

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I'm going to write a book about thank you notes. Yes. I'm like, we. You should write a book about thank you notes. I agree with that. Not to sidebar, but like there's so much beauty and just in a great thank you note, like a handwritten thank you note, especially in 2025 when it's so much faster to send a text or to send an audio or this or that.

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And you are someone who writes a great thank you note. And what's interesting just to share this, like, When I look at patterns of the women who I just love and adore and admire most, you know who else writes really incredible handwritten thank you notes? Oprah, Maria Shriver. And I just, like, and I save them. I save them.

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There's so many friends and, oh, my gosh, there's something so special about it. And when I take the time to write someone a thank you note, I feel this sense of, like— Connectedness. Yeah, connectedness. fulfillment, you know, that they took time, you know, someone took time for you when they wrote out a thank you note. It's beautiful.

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Yes. Yes. Amy, what do you say to a woman listening right now who is, you know, wanting to share her story, whether it's writing it to herself or to someone else. What do you want to say to her that maybe, um, cause I think, I think that when we all share our own experiences, um, you know, we can all, all rise higher together.

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I've learned so much through other people's experiences that have inspired my own. What do you say to the person listening right now? Who's like, huh, I want to, I want to share my story. I want, I feel like I've been on a hero's journey and part of that might be sharing my story, but I'm scared.

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Loved your book so much. I'm excited for everyone to get it home. For the person listening right now who's about to add The Tell into their Amazon cart or head to their local bookstore or grab it on Audible, what do you want them to know about this book?

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When you say you wrote it for yourself, because, you know, I believe every one of us, we have a story. We all, we have a story. And, and, you know, sometimes, um, we feel like we want to share it or we feel like we don't, but the act of writing it out for yourself, what was the intention behind that when you first did it?

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Right? Yes. Because as an author, when your book hasn't come out yet, you're like, oh, no, no, no, it can't get out yet. So I get all that too. And yet someone felt so passionate about it that they gave it to someone else. Right. Right.

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That's going to be happening a whole lot. It's going to be you're going to be getting a whole lot of stories, even more coming back to you. So everyone go grab your copy of The Tell by Amy Griffin, a memoir. It is out now everywhere. Books are sold. Amy, thank you so much. Thank you.

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And before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it is an honor to welcome you to each episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Here, I hope you'll come as you are, heal where you need, blossom what you choose, journey toward your calling, and stay as long as you'd like, because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. And I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Do you struggle with negative self-talk?

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Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit. The words you say to yourself about yourself are so powerful. And when you learn to take control over your self-talk, it's life-changing. And I wanted to give you a free resource that I created for you if this is something that could benefit your life.

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If you're ready to take charge of your narrative, build unwavering confidence and empower yourself to persevere on the path to your dreams, you can grab your free guide to stop overthinking and learn to trust yourself at jamiekernlima.com slash resources, or click the link in the show notes below. Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious and so is self-belief.

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And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you delivered straight to your inbox from me.

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I went from struggling waitress facing nonstop rejection to founder of IT Cosmetics, a billion dollar company, by learning how to overcome self-doubt and believe I'm worthy of my hopes and dreams. And I'm sharing how you can too in my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life.

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If you're ready to truly trust yourself and break through that barrier of self-doubt and know that where you come from or even where you are right now doesn't determine where you're going, then Worthy is for you. It's time to go from doubting you're enough to knowing you're enough. It's time to step into all of who you are and into the person you were born to be.

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And it's time to believe that you are worthy of it. Because in life, we don't become what we want.

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join the Worthy movement today by grabbing your copy of Worthy anywhere books are sold, then head to worthybook.com now for free gifts, including my five-part course on becoming unstoppable and my 95-page Worthy Workbook Action Plan that teaches you how to implement the tools from the book into your real life right now.

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It's such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.

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I want to ask you, how this all started, because I want to talk about a moment where your daughter said to you, you're here, but you're not here. And I think those words are going to resonate with so many people listening right now, because we've all, so many of us have had feelings like we're here, but we're not here. And your own daughter says, you're here, but you're not here.

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Where are you, mom? And can you explain that? that moment, how you were feeling, and then what happened after that.

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Your story has so much power, power to inspire and power to heal both yourself and others. Our guest today, my amazing friend, and soon yours too, is a business mogul, founder of investment firm G9 Ventures, author and icon of female empowerment, Amy Griffin. Amy's brand new memoir, The Tell,

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When you started on a journey, you began to solve a mystery that was trapped deep in the recesses of your own memory. This quest started with MDMA, a form of psychedelic therapy. And I think that this is something a lot of people are hearing about for the first time. And it's also something a lot of people are doing. It's a big topic of conversation, of debate, of all of those things.

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I just want to zoom out for a minute because you talk about the human doing and you and I have so much in common. I, for so much of my life, thought if I do all the things, that's what I need to do. And I struggled with perfectionism, people pleasing. I mean, so much of it. And I know what it feels like to...

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to work so hard to do all the right things and then inside feel like, why do I feel a little disconnected or feel a little unfulfilled or whatever it might be. In this moment when you decided to go on this journey and to try psychedelic therapy, what were you feeling? Why did you make that decision? And then I cannot wait to dive in to your experience with it, to what memories surfaced out of it.

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But where were you when you made that decision? And, you know, I get so many emails, Amy, and DMs and messages. There's a lot of people out there that are either considering it or they're on a healing journey. Where were you at when you made that decision? Like, I'm going to try this.

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explores how far we will go to protect ourselves and the healing made possible when we face our secrets and begin to share our stories. I have read this book cover to cover. It is so powerful. And let me tell you, it is going to inspire your own hero's journey in your life through Amy sharing hers.

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How do you make habits stick, especially for people who have tried and failed over and over and over?

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And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter. to you delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me.

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With habits to stick, I want to make sure I understand this right for everyone listening, because sometimes people go, oh, I heard it takes this long for a habit to stick, and then they don't know why it hasn't stuck for them. And the example that you explained about the definition of when do you get to that point where there's no more resistance, right?

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So it makes perfect sense that if we want a new habit that we actually like, And let's say we love doing a morning walk. Well, it might stick sooner than something that may take a very long time because you have a lot of resistance toward it. So to be patient with yourself.

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Subscribe at jamiekernlima.com or in the link in the show notes. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you.

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You will forget. So for everyone listening, right? So many of us, we have a goal. They've already given up on their goals and it's, you know. I'm going to tell you why. You don't understand why you want it. So number one, know why you want it with clarity. Number two, make it easy. Make it easy. And then three, don't manage it in your head. Yes. Don't manage it in your head.

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when we walked into the studio today, uh, we had your daughter, daughter Kendall's music playing. You started crying. Yeah. I said, Mel Robbins is crying on the Jamie Crinley show. We just got here. Tell me, Mel, about your family, about your kids, about your husband, Chris. And, um, and the importance of that in your life.

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We were talking about, you and I talking about time last night and what we'll trade time for and what we really want to do most. And I just have to share, I actually took a photo. I'm going to share it with you. I took a photo of the moment, the moment that you, that you saw your daughter's song being released and her posting about it.

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Can you talk about that moment and just what your family means to you? Yeah.

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If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you. In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness.

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome. Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious and so is self-belief. And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me.

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Subscribe at jamiekernlima.com or in the link in the show notes. And now more of this incredible conversation together.

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I said, Mel Robbins is crying. On the Jamie Crinley show, we just got here.

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overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more. Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth.

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Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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I remember your face yesterday when you had just gotten off the phone with Chris. And you just, like, had this huge smile on your face. And you seemed a little emotional. And I asked, like, what was going on? And you had said... you kind of hinted around things are so good that you like don't even want to say that out loud. Right. I, um,

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Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima! Mel Robbins says you can change your life and she will show you how. Mel has one of the most popular podcasts in the world called the Mel Robbins Podcast. She's a New York Times bestselling author.

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Do you... feel like you love and see Chris for exactly who he is?

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I know what he's thinking right now. Because he wrote a letter for you. Oh, God. He actually wrote a letter for you, Mel, sharing what he's thinking and how he's feeling right now. Oh, my God. And I want to share it with you and ask if you would be okay reading it.

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She has seven number one audiobooks on Audible, billions of views of her videos online, and is one of the most respected experts in the world of mindset, motivation, and behavior change. thanks to her science-backed tools and relatable advice that has impacted the lives of millions of people who follow her across 194 countries.

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She lives in Vermont with her husband of 26 years, Chris, and their three kids. She's also my dear friend, a really great roommate on trips, one of my favorite people to have at slumber parties, and the best wedding singer ever. I've ever had the privilege of hearing in person. Mel Robbins, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Mel Robbins, I love you. I am grateful for our friendship. I am grateful for the kind of friend that you are. How you and I were laughing walking over here. You're like, you're good cop, I'm bad cop. You're... I'm an angel, devil, this, that. I have so much gratitude and just who you are in my life.

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I have a special gift for you because everyone who comes on the Jamie Kern Lima show gets a special gift. And I'm going to have you open it.

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Oh, wow. Okay. When I think of now. Oh, my God. These are amazing. Jamie. So what I'm hoping you're down for is we each write something like right along the sole on each other's and then we switch and then we switch. So those are your size. Oh, my God. Because I always want to have, you know, words from you on there. And I love them because they actually remind me of you.

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So when you saw me wearing them today, I was just kind of smiling. You're like, I like your shoes. And I didn't say anything.

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And just write whatever's on your heart. And then we'll swap back.

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Something is misspelled. That'll make it feel even more special. You are worthy. I love it. Yes, and I love you. Oh, I know what this means. Uh-huh. Create a revelation. I know what this means. Oh, I love you. These are so special. Thank you. I'm putting them on. They fit. I hope they're your size. They sure are. Birkenstocks be gone.

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I love you. Thank you. I have one more thing to share with you, but before I do, if you got value out of this episode, my only ask is that you please share it. Share it with another person in your life who could benefit from it. Post it and share it with others online or in your community who just might need the words and tools and lessons in this episode today.

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So many people call you the queen of motivation, and yet you say motivation is garbage. Can you explain that?

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You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. And before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world.

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It's an honor to welcome you to each episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are and heal where you need and blossom what you choose. Journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. I love you and I cannot wait to join you on the next episode. This is the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome. Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Do you struggle with negative self-talk? Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit. The words you say to yourself about yourself are so powerful. And when you learn to take control over your self-talk, it's life-changing.

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And I wanted to give you a free resource that I created for you if this is something that could benefit your life. It's called Five Ways to Overcome Negative Self-Talk and build self-love. And it's a free how-to guide to overcome that negative self-talk to build confidence and develop unshakable self-love so that you can dream big and keep going in the pursuit of your goals.

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Don't let self-sabotaging thoughts hinder your progress any longer. It's time to rewrite the script of your life when filled with self-love, resilience, and unwavering belief.

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If you're ready to take charge of your narrative, build unwavering confidence and empower yourself to persevere on the path to your dreams, you can grab your free guide to stop overthinking and learn to trust yourself at jamiekernlima.com slash resources or click the link in the show notes below. I hope you enjoyed this episode and conversation together and

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I am so grateful to be on this journey with you. And did you know for every episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show, there are a set of special prompt questions just for you to help you on your journey of aha moments and revelations in your own life from each episode. Make sure you join my free email newsletter at jamiekernlima.com to get them sent to you each week.

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And each episode is meant to be evergreen and packed with timeless life lessons. So you can go back and listen to past episodes you perhaps haven't heard yet as we are going on this incredible journey of building self-worth and living our best lives together.

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How do you – so you do it. You do the thing. How do you make habits stick, especially for people who have tried and failed over and over and over?

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Before we jump into this episode, I'd love to invite you to join this community to hear more interviews and one-on-one conversations with me and you to help you truly believe in yourself, trust yourself, and know you are enough so that you can become unstoppable in living your best life. Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious and so is self-belief.

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Yeah. It's true. That's fascinating about how different types of habits can take different number of days according to the research to stick.

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Get ready for some life changing wisdom and lessons she's never shared before. It's Shark Tank's Barbara Corcoran. I am so excited to share with you part two of this incredible conversation.

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Or thank God that investor didn't think women would buy makeup from people that had my body type. I mean, I've had every type of rejection, but I look back and it's like, okay, now it's all happening for me. And now- 16 seasons later. Have you ever, you know, have you ever had a fight with another shark? that lasted beyond the set?

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I had the best time, and I know I can't share what deals I did yet, but I love that I did a few deals. I know I can't share details. We did a deal together. Yes, we did. How's it going? Yes, we did. Great. Yeah, everything's great. I just was so grateful how welcoming...

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you are, you know, and also like, listen, you, you, uh, you know, we, everybody, everyone has seen and felt when they walked in somewhere and they feel like they're not welcome or they don't belong or especially, unfortunately, there's still a lot of mean girls out there and women that think like, Oh, you know, they get competitive versus going, Oh, you know what? Um,

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you know, I'm really securing my power and I'm going to pour into another woman. And that's why I think it was so, uh, I almost got emotional before the show started because for you to walk in up to me, for you to, for you to give me a cheat sheet, to help me with questions, if I needed it for you to raise me up that way.

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Um, I just felt like you, like your intention, um, was just to multiply my impact. And that felt really, really good and really special. Have you ever, have you always been that way? Or have you ever been, have you ever been a mean girl? Have you ever been like competitive?

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And I believe that through and through. I believe, you know, we get back what we give. And sometimes it's not immediately, but it always happens. It always happens.

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All I want you to do is click on the follow or subscribe button on the app that you're listening or watching this episode on. I love your support. It's incredible to see your comments and how many people you're sharing these episodes with. And I'm so grateful to be here for you. And I'm so excited to go on this journey with you.

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You're trying to put it out. It is New York. I know. I have to think of something else. If you come out, come visit me in California. People will say hi back to you, I promise.

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I know that. We can go to the Midwest together. We're going to get hugs back. The South, forget about. They'll say hello to us 10 times. Yes, yes. That's the best. That's really cool that you... No more hellos for me in the morning. You know... You know, I'm obsessed with self-worth. I wrote a book called Worthy. You should be because it's all one there. Yeah.

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Do you feel right now in your life, do you ever have moments where you feel unworthy? There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. Do you feel right now in your life, do you ever have moments where you feel unworthy?

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Yeah, that's so good. Yeah. I've always kind of felt, at least for me so far, it's like a lifelong journey. You know, because I still have those feelings almost every day. I'm happy to hear that. Are you? Yes, I am. I'm happy. Misery loves company. Oh, I know, right? But it's good. I think sometimes people feel like they're doomed if they feel it. It's like, no, no, no, we all feel it.

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And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me.

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And then here's what we do about it. Here's what we do about it.

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Not well in it. Right. For your 70th birthday, you held a mock funeral. Yes, I did. Can you share? It was a lot of fun. Can you share your thoughts and intentions behind that? It was well thought out. Yeah.

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If you haven't signed up to make sure that you get it each week, just go to jamiekernlima.com to make sure you're on the list and you'll get your one-on-one with Jamie weekly newsletter and get ready to believe in you. If you're tired of hearing the bad news every single day and need some inspiration, some tips, tools, joy, and love hitting your inbox, I'm your girl.

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What are your priorities in life now? And do you see them changing the next decade or two?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do people ask you about that a lot, about retiring? All the time. You never get your never.

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Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah. Well, you have helped so many. Oh, my gosh. entrepreneurs and the ripple effect of all that. And also, um, you know, I remember when you and I did the press junket for Shark Tank and I remember learning that people would be surprised to know that you only fly coach. On airplanes? Do you know what a first class ticket costs?

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I love just sharing this with the world. I know people can know this or guess it or assume it. but your generosity. And when you talk about your homes, right? You said the one thing you love is homes. Yet you have a scheduling system where people that you know and love are always staying at all your different homes. So they're all being used.

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Just like three other people could have had a seat on this plane. You got it. Yeah. What is something that people would be shocked to know about Shark Tank and don't know?

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Jamie Kern Lima is her name. Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in their life.

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Yeah, yeah. Well, I have to say it's an honor for me to get to know you behind the scenes, to know that you're as amazing, even more amazing, behind the scenes is on air. No, it's really, it's beautiful. I feel Barbara in my life now. I feel blessed to have met a lot of people. that I think are wonderful. And you don't always see that congruency when you meet them in real life.

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Oh, between a public face and a... Yeah. Oh, really? You're just like your heart and your generosity. And you're such a badass that's crushed it in business that doesn't take, you know what, from anybody. And yet you're also an empowered woman who empowers other women. You care about other people. You're so generous.

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The ripple effect of everything you continue to do and will continue to do for a long time.

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Yeah, yeah. Makes it interesting. Well, thank you for being so welcoming, so loving, so inspiring for me.

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Yeah. Yeah. And I'm grateful my Shark Tank experience was alongside of you.

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Empowered women empower women. And today we've got an empowered woman who's gonna empower you on the show. You've heard her say, you've got a deal on ABC's hit show Shark Tank for 16 seasons. Barbara Corcoran is an Emmy award winning shark and executive producer on the show. She's the founder of the Corcoran Group and her journey to this moment we're all sharing together right now

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Yeah. It's so funny. I'm like, I think you and I are similar this way. I'm so fearless about rejection now. I've just had it so many times that it does not phase me. But yeah, but thank you for that. You told me that you said, ask me back right away. So I will officially ask to be back on the tank. I did love it. But you were a big part of that too. And I just want to honor you and just say,

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Thank you for the incredible woman, icon, legend, business boss, badass, and amazing grandma that you are. And I'm just excited to celebrate you for decades to come and all that you continue to win at. All that you continue to win at. Energy on my side here. Yes, it is.

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She grew the Corcoran Group into the largest and best-known brand in the brokerage business, and Barbara became one of the most successful entrepreneurs in the country. From a $1,000 loan to a billion-dollar business, and now she's invested in more than 100 businesses to date. She's also so sharp, quick-witted, and so, so funny. Plus, there's something she did to me.

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behind the scenes on Shark Tank that I'm gonna share with you that made my jaw hit the floor and made my soul explode like a giant heart emoji. I am so excited for this conversation. Barbara Corcoran, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lee Michelle. I've been looking forward to it so much. Thank you so much. I'm so excited, and I just love you. And thank you for being here.

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This show is going to be, I already know it, such a blessing and so inspiring to so many people. So you've shared a lot about sort of the pain growing up of being teased at school, like dyslexia. Oh, yeah. Because a lot of people right now, whatever age they are, they're carrying around labels and For me, I carried around the label, I'm not enough, most of my life until I realized, oh my gosh.

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Yeah. I think for me, I mean, I had loving parents. I would not change a thing. They worked a lot.

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So I always kind of felt like I had to, you know- Measure up. Yeah. And like do something great for them to show up, right? Well, you have. So I have. You have. You have nothing to worry about. And so, but now I recognize, oh wow, that label. And so, you know-

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For people right now listening or watching that maybe have a child with a learning disability or dyslexia, what's your advice for them right now?

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Oh, no, no, no. Getting rejection or rejected doesn't mean you're not going to crush it in that role. It's no indication you're not going to make it. Absolutely. And it's, like, how we handle rejection. Have you ever been a mean girl? Have you ever been, like, competitive?

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Yeah. Do you think, Barbara, like do you believe our setbacks or hardships are happening for us? In the sense of like when you look at what you've gone through in the case of dyslexia and then the skill set that you built and then now you are a parent and probably have such insight into doing that. Do you believe in that? Do you believe like our steps are divinely ordered? Of course.

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I did not know this and I connected with you on such a soul level when I learned this. But I love that I did a few deals. I know I can't share details. We did a deal together. Yes, we did. Right now in your life, do you ever have moments where you feel unworthy?

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Well, we all get to watch you use that, that skillset. Yeah. Um, in the tank. And I was shocked to learn this. I did not know this. And I connected with you on such a soul level when I learned this, that you initially were going to be a Shark on Shark Tank season one. And then all of a sudden they said, you're out. You're not. It was essentially a rejection from Shark Tank. You were out.

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And most people learning, oh, they didn't pick me anymore. Would have went and cried, would have whatever. But will you share what you did when you got word that They're not picking you for a season.

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No way. So in that moment, like you competed for your spot. You got that spot season one. Now, 16 seasons later, we're sitting here talking about it. And the lesson there I just connected with so profoundly because I hear from so many people. They're like, oh, things aren't going my way. They said no again. I'm like, oh, no, no, no.

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Getting rejection or rejected doesn't mean you're not going to crush it in that role. It's no indication you're not going to make it. And it's like how we handle rejection, right? Our relationship with rejection, the meaning we assign to it. Yeah, and look what you did. You were like, okay, I just got rejected. Instead of just going away, I'm going to write Mark Burnett a letter.

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And how much time between that feeling and then you deciding to write the letter? Well, I gave myself a good 10 minutes to feel sorry for myself.

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And rejection sucks. I mean, I still feel hurt when I get it and I reframe it right away, but I don't take it personally. Nope. Don't take it personally.

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Yes, I did. They were shocked to see me dead. Before we jump into this episode, I'd love to invite you to join this community to hear more interviews and one-on-one conversations with me and you to help you truly believe in yourself and trust yourself and know you are enough so that you can become unstoppable in living your best life.

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I always go to that. Sometimes I'm getting more and I feel like the more we put in the reps in life. Well, your money in the bank helps you. Yeah, yeah. And enough times where kind of like what we were talking about earlier, I look back, I'm like, thank God that dude broke up with me because that would have been a disaster.

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If you're ready to feel more connected and alive and get tips, tools, and insights on how to raise your vibration and get what you want and truly create your best life, this episode is gonna change your life today.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. What do people most get wrong when they're looking for romantic relationships?

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Wasn't there even like one senator or something that was like in trouble for it and it still passed unanimously? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. What do people most get wrong when they're looking for romantic relationships?

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It's so hard, I think, in this world where there's filters and there's this and there's that. And we want to get a bunch of people that like all the things. And then you're just wasting your time because there's like a barrier of disconnection between you and the other person if it's not fully you. So then someone's interested, but then it's not who you are. And then it's a whole just like cycle.

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So full, real picture, all the things. Speed you. No filter. The right person will love you. All the quirks. And that's like- That's it. The right person will come. The secret recipe. That's it.

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Yeah. Be you. It sounds that way, but no, you know, most people are not. That's right. Right. So that's like, that's the big thing. What are the keys to finding a mentor?

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Today, this is a masterclass. Like this is, this is, that's so profound in terms of, of what you just said. And also I want to, I want to highlight one thing because this was so good. I almost jumped out of my seat because so often, you know, we'll go, we'll email someone, oh, you know, hoping they might mentor us or hoping there might be a connection. And then we feel like we don't hear back.

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And then we give up or we quit. And what's so good about what you just said, this is so good, you guys, because then you email, even if you email again, if you email a third time and you feel like, you know, ashamed of it or whatever, you're still not hearing back. I love what Whitney just said, which is, yeah, but email them again.

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And even again, because that's actually what they would tell you to do. If they were mentoring you, that would be their advice. Keep going, you know, keep going for it. And I think that's so brilliant. I want to ask you in your life, you just shared a little bit about how you, you know, learn from everybody, right? Because there's so many areas of our life where...

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We can learn from and be inspired. And what role do mentors, but also executive coaches, therapists, all of it play in your life right now? Because everyone's listening and wanting some of what you got.

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How is that a practice you have now? Every day. Every day. Can you describe that for the person hearing about TM or Transcendental Meditation? Will you describe what that is and like how right now, what part of your day is that?

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Twice every day? Yeah, 20 minutes. And do you ever miss it? Yeah, all the time. Yeah, you just get back on track.

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Can you do it wrong? Nope. Nope. I hope this is big because a lot of people like I tried it and I just do it wrong.

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Do you find when you're in Hawaii or you're in Aspen, does your meditations shift at all? Are they different? Or you're just, you're in and you transcend what's around you?

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Yeah. And that's it. This is, okay, can I just tell you, this is so freaking great.

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Already? Okay. So a few more questions. I don't want to take up time saying this. I'll text you all about this later. Okay. Um, what are three things you're manifesting right now? I am manifesting. There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams.

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You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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I am so glad you're here for this incredible part three episode with my dear friend and now yours too, founder and CEO of Bumble, Whitney Wolf Hurd, who shares stories and insights she's never shared before. And she's sharing them with you today right here. Coming up in this episode.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. What are three things you're manifesting right now?

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I am manifesting really, really, really great friendships.

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And I am manifesting not getting distracted by... what I can do, that's like a big shiny star rocket ship taking off. And I'm doing, Oprah said this best, Whitney, and it's just been this thing in my life, I feel like 2025, All year, this is what I'm going to be saying over and over. Because my whole life, I've told God what my dream is. Like, okay, now I want this.

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I'm going to make IT Cosmetics the biggest makeup company in the country. And then I'm going to change this many lives. I'm going to donate this much money. Like, I was always telling him what my dream is. And I'll never forget, on the show, she says... The key is not telling God what you want to necessarily manifest or make happen. But the key is asking God, what is the dream you have for me?

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Right? What is the dream you have for me? And another way of saying that is like, what was I created for? What am I here to do? And so I feel like in 2025, I'm manifesting, turning down the volume on the parts of me that want to build more rocket ships because they'll help this many people and they'll do that. And all of a sudden, all my time's taken up.

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And also I'm burnt out, which is like my pattern. And I want to just figure out like how to get still, how to create space, how to ask God, what is the dream you have for me? And trying to have enough space to actually hear the answer and then live the answer. That's beautiful. So that's what I'm manifesting this year.

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You sing, use me for love and light. And now you're calling Bumble the love company and manifesting its next iteration. What do you imagine that looks like?

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Whitney Wolf Hurd, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. We think of Bumble and this idea of make the first move, right? Make the first move. You have made so many first moves in your life, in so many areas of your life, whether it's going for an idea or putting your voice out there or with your companies. And, you know, how...

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What do you say to people listening right now who are like, oh, I've never made the first move? Whether it's like, to use the example of Bumble, going on and saying, I want to make friends as an adult. Yeah. think I want to find a romantic relationship or, or I want to ask someone to be my mentor for the first time, or I'm going to go mentor someone else.

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Like, how can I use all the things I've gone through to help someone else make it through those things? Right. So what do you say to the person though? Who's like, Oh, Whitney, uh, I don't even know how to make the first move or to be confident enough to do that.

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That's so good from, oh, I'm afraid of rejection or, oh, I'm afraid what people might think or, oh, my self-doubt or whatever. And then you're saying like, inquire about that. Wait, well, what is this rejection? What does that mean to you? And work through it because then it probably shrinks right after. Exactly.

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You know, I want to make sure I don't miss this part because I have a couple questions I'm definitely going to ask you, especially about making adult friends and about building connection and things like that. But this, we talk about the greater good. You have... gone out of your way collectively to help make the online world a safer place. So I want to talk about dick pics.

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Let's talk about dick pics. Very classy. This is a real online issue. I think I just heard a gasp in the studio. This is a real online issue. And I mean, it's wild in the sense of... Well, first of all, I don't really understand it. But some people just think people just want this unsolicited. I understand the people that want them. Okay, I get that.

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But like all the unsolicited ones where people just think this is a good idea, don't get that. But it is a real thing. And it's, you know, a thing in schools right now. It's a thing where kids' brains aren't even developed and they don't realize some of this stuff could be permanent. But anyhow, at the adult level, it's also a real issue. And you've done a lot of work You've done a lot of work.

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You've gotten laws passed. I want to commend you for everything you've done to help reduce the harassment of people getting unsolicited. But that's been a passion, I think.

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you have gone out of your way collectively to help make the online world a safer place. So I wanna talk about dick pics. Let's talk about dick pics because- Very classy. This is a real online issue. I think I just heard a gasp in the studio. This is a real online issue.

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Uh, wasn't there even like one Senator or something that was like in trouble for it and it still passed unanimously? Yes.

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Um, what are the best tips for making friends as an adult?

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For the person, actually, what do people most get wrong when they're looking for romantic relationships? Yeah. I think where people go wrong looking for love online is... There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams.

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Are you ready to master manifesting and become your own inner healer? Gabby Bernstein has been hailed as a next generation thought leader. She's also the creator and host of the podcast, Dear Gabby. And today I am so excited to share that she's releasing her 10th book called Self-Help. This is your chance to change your life.

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in the most simplistic terms, I guess, is the way to start going, well, wait a minute, maybe I look at that hardship and instead of saying this defines me, maybe it's like, oh, maybe learning to transcend it and turn it into purpose.

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This is so good. And then if you do that, right, or you go on TikTok and go, I need some positivity. And then you're like, I'm just going to, then you may never actually heal the thing.

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How do you, this is so good. This is going to give someone permission today to just be. How do you know? Like, how do you know where you're at in that process? This is for everyone listening, watching. How do you know when it's time to go, oh, I'm ready to kind of transcend?

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Gosh. Yeah. I'll notice granular details that aren't perfect when I'm overwhelmed. There you go. So you seek perfection when you feel overwhelmed. So it's like a little bit of a perfectionist part.

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There's so much more coming up in this episode, you are not gonna wanna miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams, you stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Plus, when you're a part of my free inspirational newsletter community, you'll be the first to get behind-the-scenes content, inspirational messages, and be the first to learn about upcoming events and more. It's the place to be, and I sure hope you'll join me there. So if you're not on the list yet, you can sign up for free at jamiekernlima.com or click the link in the show notes below.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together.

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We numb through food or numb through food, numb through work. So self-help, self-help, self-help. This is your chance to change your life. This is Gabby's 10th book. It is out. Now you've got to grab it. I'm so excited about this. And you say self-help offers a revolutionary practice to radically shift your core beliefs and help you become your own inner healer.

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The book leverages the teachings of internal family systems, IFS therapy. that you say has been life-changing for you. Oh my gosh, let's dive in.

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Of course, I know. Because everything I just shared is the beginning of it. Is the beginning of it. And so much in the beginning, yeah, this whole conversation. Yes. So wherever you're picking up in the conversation, for sure, so many elements of the book. And can you explain for everyone listening at home, watching, what this book will do for them?

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Do we all have them? Even if we don't believe in them, even if someone's like, that's a bunch of crap, they still have them. We all have them.

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Doing it with you. Yeah. I'm getting so emotional because while we're talking about controlling stuff earlier, I'm thinking, okay, what is the thing I often feel the most? And I'm going through this step with you. And, you know, so, you know, I write about self-worth, right? So the thing that I often feel the most is, oh, I'm not enough. That's sort of where I go.

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And what's so powerful about what you just took us through that I'm doing with you right now is like, okay, you know, I check in. It's like, oh, I feel I'm not enough. And when I ask, you know, well, what age are you? And I go right to like, And then when you said the next, you're curious, you say, what age are you? I literally see myself right now as a little girl. I see moments.

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That's the part that got me emotional. When I ask her, what does she need? Gabby, I'm going to cry. Yeah, bring it on. Like- I just right away, I felt like she's like, I just need to be seen. I just need to be seen. Like, I just need you to just be here with me and just see me.

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It feels really great. Does she feel a little bit more calm? Yeah. And also just like kind of just here and enough versus kind of like looking everywhere else.

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Yeah. When it's interesting, when I saw her, she's alone. When I saw her, she's alone. And I saw the ages like four, six, eight alone. Does she know that you're here right now? That's a really profound question. I think so. I think now she does. Yeah. I think I've never, ever, ever done this or thought of this before. And this is really powerful.

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Like I'm strong enough to have her back. Yeah. And I'm strong enough to like hold her hand. And I'm strong enough to see her.

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Yeah. Like literally my whole heart is warm right now. Like my whole chest is warm. Nice, nice, nice, nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Mm-hmm. And does doing this help her feel safe and protected so that maybe I'm not seeking that elsewhere?

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She's sweet and she's kind and she's like... A light. Yeah. Yeah.

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And the stronger and more in practice we get in this, the less likely the protectors that may be come out in all kinds of ways. Don't need to be there.

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Yeah. Okay. For me, it's always been, um, achievement, work addiction, food, food addiction, those three things. Um,

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So the thing that I often feel the most is, oh, I'm not enough.

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Gabby Bernstein, just crying my makeup off. Makeup still looks great. Oh, my goodness. The four-step check-in process. And Gabby goes, of course, so deep into how to do this in self-help, in self-help. And, you know, I am... I first also want to say thank you for that. I'm always here to- Didn't see that coming.

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Yeah. I know you are. You're an amazing friend. And I love to just throw things out here because there's going to be a lot of people also who- have already been impacted by your work who are joining us right now. And, you know, you never know how people are behind the scenes. And I'll never forget, um, one of the first times that we met and I think I was launching my very first book, Believe It.

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And, you know, you are so generous and you're like, oh, and I remember you like promoted my event and you were just so generous and not everybody is. And I think that it's just beautiful. It's beautiful to acknowledge when someone's as amazing in real life and behind the scenes as people who follow their work hope they are. So I just want to say thank you for that too.

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When you mentioned, I'm always here for you. I mean that. You mean it.

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And this is also just like, you know, it's so congruent and that's what's so beautiful. Um, with, you know, with your journey so far, you know, of all of it, you know, manifesting spirit guides, course in miracles, you know, IFS and, and to have the founder of IFS write the forward for your book. Um, that is a really, really big deal because, uh,

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To support it in a way and say, oh, I'm actually not afraid of someone else doing this. This is actually really powerful and spot on. And I read his forward. Isn't it beautiful? It's beautiful. And he starts it out with tears in his eyes.

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You know... for somebody who is maybe brand new to your work, can they start and dive in? Because we got 10 really good books that Gabby's written and all bestsellers, several number one New York Times bestsellers. I remember long before I even saw you on a stage, people were recommending your books to me. But for someone who's maybe brand new today, is self-help... a great book to start with?

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I love that you were referencing it. So many great books. That's so beautiful, so powerful. I... Right now, self-help is available anywhere, anywhere you get your books, anywhere books are sold. Gabby also has, you know, oh my gosh, first of all, one of the most sought after keynote speakers in the world speaking on online. all types of stages from big corporations to Oprah, all kinds of stages.

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And you also have courses, all of it. So can you share for everyone, in addition to picking up their copy of Self-Help today, where's the best place to just connect with you?

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Okay. Dear Gabby.com forward slash app. I feel like we need to pull a card for you. I'll just like wipe my tears off while you're doing that.

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When I surrender my will to the care of spirit and the universe, I attune my energy with an ever present stream of well-being. Here we go. Let me see the card.

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Can I just tell you the wildest thing? Yeah. You know how we turn that light off behind you? Yes. It keeps going on. Yes. Is it really going off? Yeah. Yeah. It's just been on and now it's off. And I'm like, what is happening? But I keep going. Okay.

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You know what I love so much about our conversation is, you know, everyone in my audience, just like every audience has so many different beliefs, some are very strong and rooted in a particular religion or faith. And, you know, they're all different. Some do not believe at all. And I feel like what you've done such a beautiful job with is no matter what your beliefs are,

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here's how you apply these tools and here's how you apply this practice. Here's how the book Self-Help fits into your life. Because for people who believe, okay, I'm made in God's image, then self-energy becomes that, right? So I just think this is beautiful and powerful. And I want to thank you so much for this experience and doing this live with you. This is... So deep and so personal.

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Holy moly. So personal and so deep. And, you know, you shared this earlier in the conversation that we really, truly can learn so much from other people's stories. And I think, you know, whether it's you guiding me in this beautiful experience and me doing the force, the four step check in and bawling my eyes out.

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Maybe someone at home is doing alongside with us in their own way and having a revelation in their own journey. Or it's them connecting with some of the things you shared that you've gone through as well. I just think that this is really powerful. And I want to thank you.

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Oh, my gosh. I've never had lights come on and off. but in the middle of a show. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Everyone get your copy of self-help and go to deargabby.com. And of course, if you want to get in the coaching app, go through all of the check-ins and then all of it, deargabby.com slash app. I love you. Thank you. I love you.

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You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. Before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world.

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And it's an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are. Heal where you need. Blossom what you choose. Journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. And I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Okay, real elementary question, because I want to know this. So with our spirit guides, and this is for everyone listening as well, are your spirit guides always somebody that maybe was in your life but has passed? Or can it be someone you've never met?

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Do you struggle with negative self-talk? Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit. The words you say to yourself about yourself are so powerful. And when you learn to take control over your self-talk, it's life-changing.

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And I wanted to give you a free resource that I created for you if this is something that could benefit your life. It's called Five Ways to Overcome Negative Self-Talk and build self-love. And it's a free how-to guide to overcome that negative self-talk to build confidence and develop unshakable self-love so that you can dream big and keep going in the pursuit of your goals.

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Don't let self-sabotaging thoughts hinder your progress any longer. It's time to rewrite the script of your life when filled with self-love, resilience, and unwavering belief.

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If you're ready to take charge of your narrative, build unwavering confidence, and empower yourself to persevere on the path to your dreams, you can grab your free guide to stop overthinking and learn to trust yourself at jamiekernlima.com slash resources or click the link in the show notes below. Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious and so is self-belief.

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It's worthy. Imagine what would you do if you fully believed in you? I went from struggling waitress facing nonstop rejection to founder of IT Cosmetics, a billion dollar company, by learning how to overcome self-doubt and believe I'm worthy of my hopes and dreams. And I'm sharing how you can too in my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life.

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If you're ready to truly trust yourself and break through that barrier of self-doubt and know that where you come from or even where you are right now doesn't determine where you're going, then Worthy is for you. It's time to go from doubting you're enough to knowing you're enough. It's time to step into all of who you are and into the person you were born to be.

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And it's time to believe that you are worthy of it. Because in life, we don't become what we want. We become what we believe we're worthy of.

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Join the worthy movement today by grabbing your copy of Worthy anywhere books are sold and head to worthybook.com now for free gifts, including my five-part course on becoming unstoppable and my 95-page Worthy Workbook Action Plan that teaches you how to implement the tools from the book into your real life right now.

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This book literally will teach you how to actually feel worthy so that you can have the strength, you can have the confidence.

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The gifts are going away, but they're all free right now on worthybook.com. It's such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.

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If you love this incredible episode with Gabby Bernstein, I promise you, you're also going to love this life-changing episode of The Jamie Crenn Lima Show with Oprah, where we talk about how to hear your intuition, tap into your purpose, and discover the dream your creator has for you. It's up next, just for you.

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So for everyone listening at home, if this is or watching us right now, if this is their first time welcoming their spirit guides into their life. So for everyone watching us right now or listening to us, and maybe this is the very first time they're going to actually go, you know what? Right now in this moment, I'm going to welcome my spirit guides into my life.

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What exactly should they say right now? And I'm going to invite them to say it with us too.

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So I've had this happen twice to me where in a reading they've said Mary Magdalene.

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Is like all around you. Mary Magdalene. I'm like, Mary Magdalene? And so what do you think that means? Well-

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Like... I just, right away, I felt like she's like, I just need to be seen. I just need to be seen. Like, I just need you to just be here with me and just see me.

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And I think we're in a loneliness epidemic. It's only getting worse in some ways as we get higher and higher and more and more advanced with technology. And would you say, Gabby, that us learning how to call upon our guides and angels is also a way, much like people practice faith in part for this as well, a way to feel less alone and to know we're not alone.

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And the synchronicity. I think all of us have had our guides, whether we acknowledge that's what it is or feel that's what it is or agree that's what it is. They've all told us, oh, you're dating the wrong person. Oh, they really didn't lose their phone for three days. Oh, they didn't. They're not telling the truth. And it's easy to go, I'm going to ignore that and all that. But then

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when we choose to listen. Do you believe, Gabby, we all have divine callings in our life?

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You know, sort of one thing you've talked about a couple of times now, just in this conversation that I want to call out for everyone listening at home, is you are so in flow with instantly... assigning a meaning or a belief to the things you've gone through as if they were absolutely for you because now you're helping other people get through them.

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And so what most people default to, sometimes without knowing it, is, oh, I just went through X, Y, or Z. It could be I went through some of the things we've talked about today already, postpartum, or I've went through a really tough setback, or I've struggled with addiction, or I'm in menopause, or any of those things. And then they sit in that space. as though this is my hardship I'm in.

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And everyone listening and watching, maybe you picked up on this too with Gabby, but you're so quick to say, I transcended that. And of course, you've shared how, and that was meant to happen to me because then I'm sharing it. I'm now helping so many other people through that. And I think that that is such,

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a beautiful place, not only of your journey of how you heal through things, but also your purpose and your power. And I think a lot of people, they may not be able to do a profession that has to do with the thing that they have gone through, but they can do a profession, but separately to be able to tap into the things in their life and get to a place where they go, wow,

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Maybe this happened for me, even though I would never wish it on anyone else. Maybe it happened for me. And maybe actually I can get to that place where I can help other people go through it. And then getting that deep sense of purpose from that. Because a lot of people feel that they don't know what their purpose or their divine calling is.

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And they feel lost and they feel like something's missing. How can people help, I guess... especially when they're not in the, when they haven't put in the reps of being able to, or maybe, you know, they haven't been able to transcend a hardship yet. You know, how would you say that?

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Hi, I'm Jamie and I am so excited that you're here today and welcome to a special episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast. I am so excited for today's episode and if you're craving a boost of inspiration and hope, if you're in need of the words, stories, lessons, and tools that to get unstuck, and to ignite belief in yourself, well, this is your episode, and it's called I Dare You.

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QVC finally gave us a yes and I learned we would get one shot live on QVC to present our product in this 10 minute window and either hit their sales goal, which is massive, or not come back, and I learned I'd have to sell over 6,000 units of our product in a 10 minute window, live on air, and y'all, we were doing one to two orders a day on our website, okay?

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But we said yes, and we went all in, and we hired third party consultants who are amazing, they help a lot of people, but they told me if I had a shot at succeeding, we would need to use what they called beautiful models, to demonstrate our product and our one big shot, which to them meant they all had no skin issues, the same skin tone, and they looked like they were barely 18.

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But I knew doing that, doing what everyone else was doing, isn't what I was created for. And it's not what you're created for either. And I knew that I'd rather play my heart out fully to change the beauty industry, even if we tried and sold nothing. I'd rather stand for something than sell a whole ton of product but stand for nothing.

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So in my one big shot when it came, it took everything I had inside of me to dare to believe And I went for it. In my one big shot, while we were teetering on bankruptcy, and after years of hearing no's, I cast models of all ages to demonstrate our product, one in her 70s with hyperpigmentation, one in her 20s who was dealing with acne, models of all skin tones, skin challenges like me.

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I even wiped my makeup off to show my bright red bumpy skin on live TV. Everything was on the line. And right as I was standing there, right as I was standing there in the QVC studios about to go live, I learned you are not even guaranteed your 10 minutes. See, they know by the second what's selling, and they know if you're hitting the sales numbers or not.

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So you could be a minute or two in, and if you're not hitting the sales goals, you might think you still have eight minutes left, but all of a sudden your clock jumps down to one minute and you're done. So I learned that. No pressure, right?

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I remember walking in, I remember the moment the giant on-air light went on, right on the cameras, and the countdown clock, the giant countdown clock started, and it said 9.59, 9.58. I remember the moment my bare face came up on national television

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I had on two pairs of Spanx, not because I cared how I looked, but I was sweating so much that I didn't want to sweat through my dress on national television. It was so stressed. I remember walking over the models live on TV, every age and shape and size and skin tone and skin challenge. and calling them beautiful and meaning it viscerally in every ounce of my being.

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And I knew that we were a few minutes in, I didn't know how we were doing, but I knew I wasn't cut yet. I was like, okay, okay. And then I remember y'all at the nine minute mark, we had one minute to go. And I hear the host say, the deep shade is almost sold out. The tan shade is almost gone. And at the 10 minute mark, the giant sold out sign came up across the screen. which was wild.

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You will have ideas that others don't understand yet. You'll have dreams that scare even you. You'll be called crazy before you're called brilliant. And what I want you to remember is these words every time that happens. You're not crazy, you're just first. You're not crazy, you're just first. Class of 2025, when fear whispers you're not enough, you say back, watch me.

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I start crying. It's crazy. I start crying on national television and they cut from me and went to Dyson Vacuum or something. My best friend, Jackie, who I met right here at Wazoo, she was modeling. She had a full tattoo on her forearm. We covered it up with the makeup. So good. She starts crying. And then I remember my husband, Paolo,

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he comes rushing through the double doors of the studio and I was just sobbing and I was like real women have spoken and I thought he's gonna come hug me right he comes up to me and he just looks at me and he puts his fist in the air and he's like we're not going bankrupt and I was like He's right there. And that one airing turned into more than 250 shows a year, year after year.

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We grew to more than 1,000 employees and became the largest beauty brand in QVC's history, which is crazy. What everyone else said would never work changed everything. And here's what I hope you let take root. There will be moments, maybe even right after today, when people will underestimate you. There will be moments when even the people who you love might suggest playing smaller, safer.

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But you have a choice. Will you listen to the world's doubt? Or will you dare to believe in yourself anyway? Because the biggest breakthroughs in life happen not when someone else believes in you, but when you finally believe in yourself. Daring to trust yourself, daring to believe in the power that's inside of you, this will change your life.

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This is what allows you to live in alignment with your assignment when it comes to the calling and the purpose that only you have in this world. It's also so important to dare to fail and to redefine what that means. I wish I could tell you that the road to your dreams will be easy, but the truth is it most likely It won't be. You're gonna get rejected. You're gonna fall down.

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You're gonna question yourself. I know because I lived it. When I stood just three feet away from that major investor, and I was struggling, hoping our company would survive, and I really thought, oh my gosh, he's going to save this. And then he told me, women won't buy makeup from someone who looks like you. I could have let those words define me.

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I could have made that rejection and failure mean I wasn't enough. But instead, I made the decision to choose to assign a different meaning to rejection every time it happened. And you can do this right now in your life, too. See, for years, I would think, oh, failure meant I didn't have what it takes. But I decided to believe I have the power to make it mean whatever I want it to. And so do you.

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So when I would get painful rejections, even when they stung, I would intentionally decide to pull from a toolbox of meanings that I had created that would empower me instead of make me feel defeated. Meanings that I believe to this day are true of rejection and failure. And here's a few in case you want to add them to your toolbox today too. I believe rejection does not mean I failed.

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It means I'm victorious because I'm one of the brave ones willing to go for it. And so are you. Rejection is redirection. Another one is it's happening, just not yet. I host a podcast called The Jamie Kern Lima Show. And by the way, the first guest I had on my show was Oprah. She did her first ever three-hour interview in her career, still processing that.

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And I love the podcast because there are so many great life lessons that guests have shared on the show that I've then added to my toolbox. I think about them daily. One of them that I want to share today is from the interview I did recently with Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, where she talked about the power of adding the word yet to the end of sentences.

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Instead of saying, I got rejected and didn't get the job, say, I didn't get the job yet. I haven't gotten my book published yet. My idea or my art or business hasn't gotten traction yet. And this next definition

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is one of my all-time favorites, because I believe this is a universal truth, no matter if you practice any particular faith or not, but if you have had that person who said the most painful thing to you, or maybe the job you thought you wanted says, no, you're not the right fit, Maybe that person pulled the rug out from underneath you and betrayed your trust.

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When rejection stings, you're not ready, you answer, I was born ready. You are capable, you are resilient, you are needed, not someday, not if you become more perfect, right now, exactly as you are. You are worthy of daring. And class of 2025, today, I dare you. I dare you to believe in the power of your dreams. I dare you to believe that you have what it takes.

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This applies to all kinds of rejections. When that happens to me, and it happens to all of us, I pull this definition from the toolbox. Rejection is God's protection. You could say rejection's the universe's protection. See, I believe your creator will block your value from people who are not assigned to your destiny. And this belief helps me never take rejection personally.

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And when you don't take rejection or failures personally, it becomes a whole lot easier to dare to fail. In my journey, eventually after enough no's, after enough nights wondering if we would make it, after enough rejections to wallpaper my entire apartment, I kept getting back up every time I got knocked down and we kept going and we kept growing.

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And in 2016, L'Oreal, the biggest beauty company in the entire world, knew we had created something unlike what other people were doing.

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I was told over and over would never work had become one of the largest beauty companies in the country and in 2016 L'Oreal paid 1.2 billion dollars cash to buy the company I started in my living room and they made me the first woman to hold a CEO title of any brand in their hundred plus year history so I went I went from waitressing at Denny's, and I love that job, by the way.

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I actually celebrate there all the time to this day. But I went from waitressing with a big dream and a whole lot of self-doubt to CEO of leading a billion dollar company. I don't care how many no's you get. The key is to never let anyone else's doubt about you turn into doubt in your own head. Their doubt doesn't get to define your destiny. Anyone else's no doesn't get to define your yes.

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The pain of failure is temporary, but the regret of giving up lasts forever. And every no you hear is simply evidence that you're brave enough to be in the game, that your dream is worth failing for, your purpose is worth falling for, and your calling is worth fighting for. Failure doesn't disqualify you. Failure actually qualifies you for greatness when you dare to go for it.

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Oh, and remember the head of QVC Beauty, Alan Burke, who said, you're not the right fit for QVC or for our customers? Well, shortly after we launched onto QVC, he became one of my greatest mentors and dearest friends, and he still is to this day. He had been there for decades, and shortly after we launched on QVC, he retired. And then we hired him in a paid position on our advisory board.

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So the guy that rejected me was now working for me, right? Like, no one... I don't know who needs to hear this today, but no one can tell you you are not the right fit. And my hope and my prayer is that you never tell yourself that. Because here's what I know for sure. When you dare to believe in the power of your dreams, people might underestimate you.

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They might say, you don't have what it takes. They might even call you unqualified. But one day, they'll call you genius. People might doubt you or even call you hurtful names behind your back. And then one day, they're calling you for advice.

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They might say, you don't come from the right family, your parents didn't go to college, you don't pray the right way, you're too tall, you're too short, you're too young, you're too old, your body's not right, your cheeks are too red. Then one day, they're bragging to people how they met you. They might call you rejected, and then one day, they just might end up calling you boss.

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And let me get really, really real today, because I'm a coug, and we keep it real. They might call you, hey, waitress, hurry up, man. I need my bill, while you're busting your butt, filled with self-doubt, trying to pay your WSU tuition.

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Then one day, they call you commencement speaker on WSU's stage in a stadium filled with the most diverse and powerful class of first-generation students in WSU's history. No one can tell you your dreams are too big. Turn to your neighbor sitting next to you and say, I dare you to dream big. turn to the neighbor on your other side and say, you've got this.

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Lastly, it is so important to dare to be first even when it feels lonely. When you dare to be who you truly are, when you dare to do things authentically to you, by definition, they've never been done before. Because there's only one of you in the entire universe. So when you dare to trust yourself and do it the way only you can, you're first. You're the first ever only you.

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I dare you to believe you are more than qualified I dare you to fail and I dare you to believe that you're worthy of getting back up again and again. And I dare you to be first because you already are. And what I know for sure and what I'm living proof of is you can go from underestimated to unstoppable. You have everything you need inside of you right now to do that.

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So do not be surprised if not everyone gets it or gets you. Because there's never been a you before. And I promise you that the things that maybe others think are odd or quirky or wrong with you are actually the things that are most right with you. If I had listened every time someone told me to change what I was doing to succeed, there is no chance I'd be here talking with you today.

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And when you share an idea, I want you to remember this, when you share an idea that's never been done before, people will often doubt that it's going to work. That's how it so often feels when you're first. And here's why this matters. If you're willing to be first, to be brave enough to be misunderstood for a while, you can change everything.

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Not just for yourself, but for every single one who's coming after you. Because history is written by the ones who dare to be first. You will have ideas. You will have ideas that others don't understand yet. You'll have dreams that scare even you. You'll be called crazy before you're called brilliant. And what I want you to remember is these words every time that happens.

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You're not crazy, you're just first. You're not crazy, you're just first. Class of 2025, when fear whispers you're not enough, you say back, watch me. When rejection stings, you're not ready, you answer, I was born ready. You are capable, you are resilient, you are needed, not someday, not if you become more perfect, right now, exactly as you are.

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When you wonder if you are crazy for dreaming so big, remember the world doesn't need more people playing small. The world needs more people who dare to believe in the power of their dreams. The ones who know that Denny's dreams can become billion-dollar realities. The ones who know that rejection is not defeat, it's victory. The ones who know that they were never crazy, they were just first.

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You are worthy of daring. And class of 2025, today, I dare you. I dare you to believe in the power of your dreams. I dare you to believe that you have what it takes. I dare you to believe you are more than qualified I dare you to fail and I dare you to believe that you're worthy of getting back up again and again. And I dare you to be first because you already are.

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And what I know for sure and what I'm living proof of is you can go from underestimated to unstoppable. You have everything you need inside of you right now to do that. And if you want to change the world, I dare you to believe in you and then watch what happens. Thank you and congratulations, Class of 2025! Go Cougs! I love you!

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Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious and so is self-belief. And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me.

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If you haven't signed up to make sure that you get it each week, just go to jamiekernlima.com to make sure you're on the list and you'll get your one-on-one with Jamie weekly newsletter and get ready to believe in you. If you're tired of hearing the bad news every single day and need some inspiration, some tips, tools, joy, and love hitting your inbox, I'm your girl.

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And if you want to change the world, I dare you to believe in you and then watch what happens. I love you too. I am so honored, so grateful to be here. President Cantwell, faculty, alumni, families, friends, and most importantly, the powerful, resilient, history-making class of 2025, congratulations! Today is your day and in a powerful way, it's also your beginning.

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I could see the light around her. She's infused with light. Imagine overcoming self-doubt, learning to believe in yourself and trust yourself and know you are enough. Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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And I know firsthand that beginnings can feel scary because it wasn't that many years ago where I sat right here in this exact stadium about to graduate. I was filled with big hopes and dreams. And while I wore a cap and gown inside of this room, I wore an apron outside of the room while waitressing at Denny's just down the road from here to pay for tuition.

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I dare you to believe in you. See, that's the title of the commencement speech I just wrote and shared with the incredible graduates at my alma mater, Washington State University. And the words and message are so universal that even though I wrote them, I myself needed to hear them too. And I hope today these words speak to your soul and feel like they're exactly for you because they are.

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And I had no idea that one day I would build a billion-dollar company from my living room. Right? In fact, In fact, I spent most of my time actually wondering if my big goals and dreams were even possible for someone like me. I was broke. I was filled with so much self-doubt. I worried, you know, that my past mistakes might somehow disqualify me from my dreams. I wasn't super well connected.

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I wasn't certain. But what I had And what you have right now is something far more powerful, the power of possibility that's already inside of you right now. And today, I want to talk to that part of you, the part that's wondering, am I ready? Am I enough? Can these wild and crazy dreams I have, the ones I don't even tell anyone else about, can they really happen for someone like me?

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And my challenge for you today is this. I dare you. I dare you to believe in you. And I'm going to share three stories, and they're not just about my journey, they're about yours. Because what changed my life can change yours too, if you dare to claim it. And I believe the future belongs to those who are willing to dare. Who are willing to dare to believe in themselves.

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who are willing to dare to fail and who are willing to dare to be first. And right now, I want to ask you to dare to imagine. What would you do if you fully believed in you? I have learned time and time again that it is so important to dare to believe even when it feels like no one else does.

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Growing up, I would watch Oprah in my living room every single day, and I would dream of one day, like her, sharing other people's stories with the world. So after WSU and after grad school, long before I created IT Cosmetics, I chased a dream to become a TV news anchor.

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I sent out countless audition tapes, but the rejection letters kept flooding in, many saying, you're great on camera, but your skin isn't. I have rosacea, it gets really bright red, it's bumpy, and no makeup would cover it. And I was told again and again that I wasn't the right look for the job.

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But I kept going, and I landed an internship at Cap TV in Yakima, Washington, where I actually worked for free. I borrowed my Aunt Karen's station wagon to be able to drive to and from work. She's actually right up here in the audience today. I remember the door panel, it would fall off any time I took it through the car wash. But I was so grateful, y'all. I was so grateful and I was determined.

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And eventually I got hired as the main morning anchor at KNDU-TV in Tri-Cities, Washington. Tri-Cities. And then the weekend anchor at KPTV in Portland, Oregon. And I thought, one day I'm going to host a show so big I can interview Oprah. And y'all, I envisioned it. I prayed for it. But what I didn't realize was that my dreams were about to take a huge tumble and a big detour.

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And while anchoring the news live one day, I heard in my earpiece from the producer, there's something on your face. There's something on your face. You need to wipe it off. You need to wipe it off. So I glanced down during the commercial break and I saw the makeup was all breaking up.

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If you imagine the way desert clay kind of cracks and breaks up and the bright red was coming through, which was all my rosacea. So I tried to cover it up with makeup during the commercial break and it didn't work. And that actually turned into what became a really long season of self-doubt, where every time I'd be live on television, I'd be thinking, am I going to get fired?

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And I'd always hear in my earpiece, Jamie, it's still there. It's still there. I literally thought every single time I was at work, I was going to get fired. And I would spend most of my paycheck just trying to find makeup that would work, and nothing did. And then one day, I felt this whisper. Maybe you've had whispers in your life too.

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I felt this whisper that said, if you cannot find anything that works for you, why don't you figure out how to create something that does? So my gut, my intuition, my knowing said, you can do this. You can start a business and figure out how do you find the best chemists and how do you make an amazing product that's going to help so many other people too.

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But my self doubt said, oh, but you got no money. You don't know anyone in the beauty industry. You are not qualified. And I made the decision to dare to trust my gut, to trust my knowing over my self-doubt. And my husband Paulo, also right up here in the audience today, my husband Paulo and I, we both quit our jobs.

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We poured everything we had into starting a company called IT Cosmetics in our living room. Now, what I didn't know was from the moment that we went all in, it would be more than three years, more than three years before we could even afford to pay ourselves a single penny, and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of rejections and no's.

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And during this journey, I realized even though there were thousands of beauty companies out there in existence, I had never seen one showing a model that looked like me, that had real serious skin issues. And I also realized, maybe you've had this experience too, growing up, I used to love seeing those beauty ads.

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I loved them, I always aspired to look that way, but deep down inside, they always made me feel like I wasn't enough.

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So when we launched IT Cosmetics, I had this huge, kind of crazy at the time, wild vision to try to change the entire beauty industry by instead of using those like airbrush, Photoshopped images and models, I wanted to use real people like me, every age and shape and size and skin tone and skin challenge and call them beautiful models and mean it.

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But it wasn't being done yet, so nobody thought it would work. especially the experts. Every retail store said no. Sephora, Ulta, QVC, all the department stores. All of them said women will not buy products from images like this. And they'd always say that they'll only buy products from images of unattainable aspiration.

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Those are always the words that they would use, which means you cannot even look like that because it's not even real. And I was like, well, maybe people are sick and tired of buying products from people that don't look like them. But I wanted to change that.

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I wanted to change it for every little kid who was about to start seeing those ads and start doubting themselves, and every grown person who still does. It is scary to trust yourself, especially when no one else around you seems to think you're right. After a few years of non-stop no's, A huge moment happened.

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You see, I'd always dreamed of launching our products on QVC, which is a live television shopping channel. It's broadcast to more than 100 million homes across the country. And when you have a product, QVC is huge. It's a huge deal because you can actually sell more there on QVC in a 10-minute window than in most store chains nationwide for an entire year.

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So it's massive, and I had gotten word that the head of QVC Beauty, a guy named Alan Burke, he's like a living legend, he wanted to have a call, and I thought, I have been sending them our products for years, so many samples for years, and right now, as we're down to no money left, and we had no idea how we were gonna keep going, I was like, this is it, this is finally it, this could change,

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everything for us. And when I got the call, I was so pumped up, I was actually pacing around our entire office, which was our living room, and I was like power posing, I was like trying to tell myself they'd be lucky to have us. And I got the call, and he said, hello, Jamie, this is Alan Burke with QVC. And he said, listen, I want to call you myself and let you know that we received your samples,

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all of them. And I wanted to tell you myself, I met with the entire buying team and it's unanimous. You are not the right fit or QVC or for our customers. And I remember standing there, y'all, we were so close to bankruptcy at that moment. I remember tears start streaming down my face and I went into pitching. I'm like, Oh, but Alan, we are the right fit. And I told him all the reasons why.

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And please make sure to share this episode with everyone who needs inspiration in their lives. And make sure to share it with every recent or upcoming graduate that you know. It's called I Dare You to Believe in You. And when you do, watch what happens. No one can tell you your dreams are too big. History is written by the ones who dare to be first. You will have ideas first.

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and he thanked me for loving QVC and said it's a no. I wanted it to be a yes, so bad at the time, and I'd been getting so many rejections for years, and I truly hoped that this would be it. But we kept going, kept going, and kept going, barely keeping the company alive, and we continued to get rejection after rejection. One potential investor who we were really hoping would be our saving grace

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He even ended the meeting by saying, congratulations, this is a really great product. You should be really, really proud. But to be honest with you, I just don't think women will buy makeup from someone who looks like you with your body and your weight. That one, y'all, I cried in my bed for three days straight after. But every time, I would get another rejection.

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I would meditate or pray and I would keep getting this feeling deep inside that said, you're supposed to keep going. You need to dare to lean on your faith. You need to dare to believe even when it feels like no one else is. And I would write these words in my journal. Champions aren't made when the game is easy and you are a champion.

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And what I know right now as I stand here, what I know for sure is that each and every one of you is born to be a champion too, and today is the day to decide to dare to believe that for yourself. It's true. After years of rejections and more rejections and more rejections and no's, A moment, a huge moment, it finally happened. We got one single yes that had the power to change everything.

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If you're ready to truly live more, laugh more, and love more, I am so excited you're here for this incredible part three episode with Chelsea Handler, who opens up in ways you've never seen her open up before and shares things she's never shared before.

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Yeah. When you said to you that you've done your book, by the way, oh my gosh, I'm only giving away like 0.001% of the stuff in it that is so good, so funny, so laugh out loud, so also live vicariously through an experience. Like I feel like somehow in my life now I need to be in a kayak in Mallorca and all the things. Like you just, you just, and I won't even say all the reasons why.

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My number's still the same. So text me. Okay, same masseuse, different relationship. Yes, yes.

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Wow. Yeah. So was she also a great masseuse too? Yes. Not just masseuse, the benefits. Great. Wow. All right. Are you, okay. So I have to, I have to ask you, so you were at a dinner party with Woody Allen and what you refer to as his daughter bride. And the whole dinner party goes on and on and on, all the courses.

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And at the very end, and you were cordial, all the conversation, normal conversation. At the very end, I think it was the dessert round. Can you share what you asked?

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Yeah, that's kind of like the most... poignant thing to say. And what did they say back?

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Did he say anything at all? Did he, do you think he knew that you knew and were being really, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Of course.

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So many, you look at all the studies out there that say that, you know, when you're exposed to humor and laughter and positivity, it has such profound effects on mental health, physical health, all of it. Yet so many people, especially adults, feel like, they don't know how to have fun anymore. And they think maybe they're funny, but they're not sure if they're funny.

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And so I'm curious from one of the funniest people on the planet, how, this is for everyone listening, Chelsea, how can we all tap into our funny and be more funny and have more fun? There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams.

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You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. How can we all tap into our funny and be more funny and have more fun?

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Like they can't take your power away because you decide how you're going to feel or the meaning you're going to attach to everything. Yeah. Right? Like you can't figure out technology. Well, what's the meaning you're going to attach to that?

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Or someone says something bad or some hater online or this or that, which every one of us now, the person that used to be a teacher or a doctor and they never had to deal with public opinions, now everyone is online saying everything about anybody and everything. So now they're having to kind of deal with that too. I think everyone feels like now they have... Critics or people, this or that.

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And so the example or the analogy you gave, water off a duck's back, because water just flows off the feathers, right? It doesn't stick to them. That's so beautiful. So you're able to just do that and be like, you're not taking my joy. Like, you know, people who get road rage.

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And something you said just now too about not taking yourself so seriously, I think that's a big thing because so many of us are like, oh, what is this person, what is that person going to think? Or how did that make me look? Or this or that? Yes. How did you, how did you, you ski naked, like you ski down the hill and like for your birthday and like all the things, how?

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Have you always not taken yourself so seriously or has this been like a progression? And what are some tips on how all of us right now, every person listening, every person watching can just sort of like, I'm not going to take myself so seriously because when I hear those words, it sounds like freedom.

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My number's still the same. So text me. Okay, same masseuse, different relationship. Yes, yes.

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Yeah. You know? When you, speaking of skiing, when you have sort of a tradition, is it on your birthday you'll ski in a bikini down the Whistler typically?

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Yeah. Have you ever, when it comes to body, you know, you mentioned the comment your aunt made, but also, you know, you look at the data, it's like 91% of girls and women literally will opt out of meaningful activities when they don't like how they look or their body. And it's such a thing. And I think about even in my own life for decades, the amount of experience that I missed out on.

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Wow. Yeah, so. Was she also a great masseuse too? Yeah, yeah. 91% of girls and women literally will opt out of meaningful activities when they don't like how they look or their body. And it's such a thing. And I think about, even in my own life, for decades, the amount of experiences I missed out on Because I was like self-conscious.

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You know, so many people call this younger generation, like in their 20s or 30s, the snowflake generation. They say like they're offended by everything or they don't want to work hard or you touch them and they melt kind of a thing. Do you think... Do you think that's true? Do you think people get offended too easy right now that we're in that?

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You know, the dimensions of you that you have shared in your book and also that you've shared today are so inspiring and just so multidimensional and so powerful. And, you know, I want to read something. You say, I am here for women. That is my purpose. I'm here to lift, to inspire, and to listen.

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There is not a woman in need that I wouldn't try to help pull out of whatever hole she's in to help lift her up. I'm here for every member of the LGBTQ community and for any person who doesn't feel seen. I am here for the underdogs, and I'm here to demonstrate compassion, empathy, and love. I feel... so deeply all those things in you.

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And it's really, really cool to have a conversation like this with you. I read something you mentioned about, you know, I haven't gone to college, but I've sent 50 others to college. What do you mean by that?

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There's so much you do that's such a gift to highlight. Also in this conversation, also in your book, reading the story about oopsie, whoopsie, and poopsie, like the impact you have on so many people in your family, outside of your family, people that have worked for you, people that are your friends. It's really inspiring. And I think that I just want to honor that and celebrate that.

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I literally could not put your book down, read it cover to cover, the stories that just like living vicariously. You know, I've never done an edible. So if I ever do an edible in my life, I'm calling you if I ever do one. But a few rapid fire questions. What's your favorite book of all time? Oh. That's a good question.

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It's so funny. My guess is going to be, you're going to say yourself.

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By the way, anyone who needs some good lover experiences, like stories, want to live vicariously through, maybe you've been in a relationship forever, you need to mix it up a little bit, you've got to read I'll Have What She's Having just for that alone. Okay, favorite drug of all time? Pot is my favorite drug.

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Yeah. And your greatest life lesson learned so far?

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Yeah. Yeah. I feel that so congruently. I'm so grateful for this conversation. I'm grateful for the person you are, for what you put out in the world, like for all that you do to help so many people. And a lot of people see the stuff you do. And a lot of people have no idea how much that you do. Everyone listening right now, go out and buy.

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I'll have what she's having, which will be Chelsea Handler's seventh New York Times bestseller in a row. And when that happens, y'all, she has written six New York Times bestsellers before this one. When things like that happen, it is never an accident. It's because they're really, really good and people get a lot of value out of the book. And that is what happened to me reading this book.

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So definitely go buy her book. You can also see her at her residency in Las Vegas at the Cosmopolitan. You can get tickets right now at chelseahandler.com. Thank you so much for being here. I'm so grateful.

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So many people, especially adults, feel like they don't know how to have fun anymore. And they think maybe they're funny, but they're not sure if they're funny. And so I'm curious from one of the funniest people on the planet, how, this is for everyone listening, Chelsea, how can we all tap into our funny and be more funny and have more fun?

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How all of us right now, every person listening, every person watching can just sort of like, I'm not gonna take myself so seriously because when I hear those words, it sounds like freedom.

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The impact you have on so many people in your family, outside of your family, people that have worked for you, people that are your friends,

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Get ready to laugh, cry and live, laugh and love more in your life today. I am so excited for this amazing conversation with you, me, and Chelsea. One of the things you talk about was a story about your ex, Ted, and having threesomes. And so I'm curious, have you had a lot of threesomes in your life? And also... Also, what about foursomes or fivesomes?

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How long have you guys been in a relationship, your current one? Probably nine months. When you ended your relationship with Jo Koy, so many people cared so much about it because I think for you...

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you had shared about how you were being loved, being treated, how it was very different for you in that particular relationship and how it sort of changed for you what you maybe felt would be possible in a loving relationship in different ways. And I think in your last Netflix special, I know you have another one coming out. Everyone's got to, everyone's got to. Next month, the next month. Yes.

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You know, it ended with a little note on the screen saying, you know, I believe love is, you know, possible. You talked about that kind of giving everyone hope as well, like you would do. Because there's people that, you know, like I mentioned living vicariously through you in the book in so many different ways. But also there's people then that want to, you know,

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borrow that hope of, oh, wow, okay, I can find someone who loves me well and all of that. And I know when you ended it with Jo Koy, you said that you weren't going to lose yourself, you know, or sacrifice yourself to be in a relationship. And now in the one you're in, do you feel like you have love at that level? That kind of, I guess, level that you kind of shared was newer for you? Yeah.

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I love what you said too about like that moment of, I didn't want to break up. Um, and those thoughts of, will I be, you know, worse off if I do and all these kinds of things. Cause I think so many people have those thoughts all the time.

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It's why they stay in relationships where they know something's off or they stay, you know, like I mentioned earlier in friendships where they're like, ah, I just don't feel like this person. You know what I mean? Is, is, um, like energy is contagious.

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And sometimes you are around someone and you're just like, I just feel my vibration low or I feel like I feel, you know, and so I think sharing what you shared is really powerful because for a lot of people, it's also hard to leave when you know someone loves you and when you feel wanted and when you feel all those things and like cherished and celebrated in different ways.

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But when it's that person's version of that, And it like comes at the price of you living your own truth or having to change that. That's so brave. That's so brave to do that. So your current relationship, do you have threesomes yet?

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Are you hiding behind happy? Do you feel like you always have to lift everyone else up or people please, or should only be seen when you're happy? If this is you, you're not alone. Studies show 40% of us frequently suppress our negative emotions, all to put on a happy face for everyone else.

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I can't emphasize enough that our happy moments, our joy and that and the other videos that Stephen posted toward the end of his life were genuine. Stephen was navigating a complex emotional landscape. He fluctuated between genuine happiness and profound sadness, flipping between the two as if his brain were a dimmer switch. Yes. Yes.

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And today, with the hope of helping others see the warning signs with their loved ones, or perhaps seek help for themselves, Allison is sharing lessons, insights, and revelations she's had, including the heartbreaking realization that she says her husband Stephen's infectious joy was hiding pain, secrets, and self-doubt deeper than anyone knew.

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Well, you say no one, not his coworkers, his family members, his friends, who he considered brothers, had any idea of the depth of his despair. And you say Stephen was the one that others reached out to when they were actually going through mental health challenges. Yes.

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You say that you both embodied toxic positivity. Yes. Both of you. Can you share a little about that?

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In her brand new book called This Far, My Story of Love, Loss, and Embracing the Light, Allison is sharing her story for the first time ever and says she's donating 100% of the proceeds from her book to the Move With Kindness Foundation. Coming up in this episode... We were both talking about having another baby. And three weeks later, what you call the incomprehensible happened.

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I mean, so many of us, we believe this lie, like I should only be seen when I'm happy. Or people only love me when I have it all together. And so many people right now listening to us, watching us, are that way. It's so ingrained in so many of us to do that.

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I want to ask you about, you share in your book that after the Ellen show ended that Stephen had more jobs, more job offers than ever, but he started turning them down. He wasn't excited about the ones that he did do and he started getting sterner with the kids, started drinking and not taking care of his hygiene.

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You said once that you walked into a room or walked by a room. He was reading a book. And you and maybe some other people in your house walked past a while later. And you're still reading. But you noticed it was the same page. Same page.

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Yeah. You say in the book, like me, Steven never wanted to burden people. My best guess is that he felt he should be happy. And the fact that he wasn't, made him feel infinitely worse, as though he didn't deserve to live if he couldn't revel in his blessings. The only way I can explain it is that Twitch and Steven were locked in mortal combat. One became the murderer and the other the victim.

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You say Steven embarked on an ayahuasca journey, which is a plant medicine journey, and you say that he wasn't the same afterwards. Yeah.

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And accept it. And that's enough. Which is such a lesson for every person because how many of us get a compliment? We're like, oh, that was on Sailor. Oh, no, no, my hair's a mess. Oh, no, no. Like a lot of us have a hard time receiving love or we'll give it right back. I do that all the time. We give it right back.

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And you're saying he was so good at just giving it all back, but he didn't keep any for himself when people would pour it into him.

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. You say on a trip to Maui that he might have been telegraphing in the most incredible conversation about life after death where he was suggesting a multiplicity of universes or if we cross through time zones. What do you make of that?

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But doing that, experts say, can take a severe toll on mental and physical health and well-being without us even realizing it. Today's guest, Allison Holker, says she and late husband Steven Twitchboss know this all too well. And today on this episode of The Jamie Kern-Lima Show, Allison is sharing parts of her story she's never shared before.

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You say Stephen embarked on an ayahuasca journey, which is a plant medicine journey. And you say that he wasn't the same afterwards, after ayahuasca, that he was no longer joyful or generous afterwards. that he seemed like he woke up on the wrong side of the bed. You say that the experience can have the opposite intended effect on some people.

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Do you feel like that was a big turning point for him? I think it was a very big turning point for him.

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I know you share that he had some controlling issues or he would want you to stay in bed till seven every day. Yes. And so that he could have his space to do what he needed and then he would bring you the same coffee at 7 a.m. every day in a Superman mug.

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When you realized he hadn't come home and you were figuring out what to do and how to handle it. You say, I was convinced that he had to be hurt or lost somewhere. I tried to convey to the police, but they didn't understand. Stephen's the most loyal, loving husband and father. We had just returned from a lovely anniversary weekend, for God's sake.

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We're happy, I told them as a little voice in my head whispered, right? Mm-hmm.

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You say you and the kids, you are Steven's pack and you believe he disappeared down the road, separating himself from you and the family because he was very, very, very, very sick and didn't want to weigh you down.

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On the third day after he passed, you were cuddling your daughter Zaya and you say Stephen paid you a visit.

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And do you know and believe with a billion percent certainty that was him?

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What was the role of faith in his life? I, you know... know that he has attended church in the Christian faith. And you mentioned he was spending a lot of time with a shaman doing medicine journeys. That's a totally different thing. What was the role of faith in his life? And also for you, what's the role of faith in your life?

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And do you know and believe with a billion percent certainty that was him?

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That's so beautiful. You know, I feel so grateful and blessed in my life that I've met so many inspiring, incredible humans doing amazing things, people that I could have only dreamed of meeting. And even with that, I don't know a single one of them that also doesn't have struggles and doesn't deal with things behind the scenes and doesn't go through hard things and doesn't have dark days.

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When he comes to you or speaks to you or visits, have you ever asked him why? I have.

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And I think when we talk about purpose and when you talk about what you're sharing in your book this far, I think that It's so powerful what's happening with the number of people realizing, oh, just because I have these struggles and these things I'm going through that I've been hiding from everyone, including the people I care about most, that doesn't mean I'm disqualified from also

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Achieving great things from also being a worthy great incredible amazing powerful loving human being like both coexist both coexist and I feel like You know, I prayed before this episode that our conversation is Exactly what someone listening needs to hear in their own life because when we bury all the things and hide them from people and we don't get help for them. It's just,

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can exist or end in so many unfortunate ways and you know i want to call out again the number of men who have written and it's all over online everyone can go see it right now the number of men who have shared their stories saying that by what you're sharing and by

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what no one had any idea Steven was going through, that they connect so deeply with that, that they also are wanting to be the superhero for their parents, for their partner, for their kids. And so they just hope this other stuff will go away. But they're realizing, oh, wait, maybe I actually need to do something about it. Um, before it's too late.

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And I want to ask you about that part of it and how that makes you feel seeing so many letters and so many emails and DMs and people sharing their story about how deeply they connect to this and maybe didn't even acknowledge it in their own life until now. your story and Steven's story?

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You share that Steven gave his blessing for you to share all these parts.

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that Stephen gave his blessing for you to share all these parts of your life. And you're sharing today on this episode him visiting you and you talking to him. Do you think that he's seeing all of these people now making changes in their lives because of everything? And how do you think he feels? Do you think he's proud of you?

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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It sent shockwaves through the world. His millions of people every day were turning to you, to Twitch, for joy. He was known for his just unremitting positivity for lifting the spirits of so many people every day.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome. Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. I wanted to ask you, you know, you've talked about how you've danced, your children have started dancing again, but that you haven't yet danced at true full capacity. And I want to ask you in this moment right now, have you yet danced at full capacity?

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There's so many people listening right now and watching that have been through hard times, that have dealt with loss, with struggle, that are on their healing journey, that are looking for inspiration to give themselves permission to laugh again. and to love again and to feel joy again and to feel fully alive again.

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I am prepping for this interview, have watched so many interviews you've done in the past. And one of the things that you shared a few times is you said like, the one thing you wish someone would ask you, no one asks you is this question. So I'm going to ask you this question. And that question is, Alison Holker, who are you now?

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You say in your book, if people want to hold on to an image of me with him, that's fine, but I can't do it anymore. I'm not the same person who is Stephen's wife and I must own that. I'm a new human and I'm not scared to say so. I'm giving myself permission to evolve.

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I want to ask you one thing because I just, I think... You know, my heart and soul, why I do this show is for every person listening to feel like, oh, wow, it's not just me. And, you know, to feel less alone and more enough and to feel that they're worthy, like worthy of loving who they are, worthy of, you know, asking themselves, what do I need? And what do I want?

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And, you know, believing they're worthy of their goals and dreams. And I just know there are so many people right now who maybe are bogged down by other people's opinions. Like maybe they've had a loss and maybe, or a breakup or a tragedy or a setback or a divorce or they lost their job or any number of things happened. And it's been two years for them.

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And they feel inside like they're kind of ready, but maybe they have people around them that are gonna judge them for moving on. In today's world, you are somebody with millions of fans and supporters all over the world who love you. And what we know in 2025 is anybody doing anything at all, even if you're breathing, you're going to have people that don't like how you breathe.

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And I want to call this out because there's going to be a lot of people listening and watching to us that they don't have big public platforms, but they have their in-laws or their friends or their coworkers or the moms at school, and they all have opinions. And with you... you know, having such a large public platform.

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How do you handle, and I actually want to ask you about a tool that your therapist shared with you. Can you talk about the tool your therapist shared with you that you use when you see someone's opinion that might be disagreeing with something or there might be a hater or a troll online doing something or whatever it is, talk about the tool that you use. It's going to help a lot of people.

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with the intention, she says, of inspiring and helping others who might also be struggling alone before it's too late. She's also sharing how she says Twitch gave her permission and his blessing to share these parts of their story. Allison Holker is an Emmy-nominated choreographer, dancer, host, actor, and author.

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Not that many years ago, no one even had to worry about social media. And whether someone was a doctor by profession or a lawyer or a teacher or they could be private. And now their profiles are online, their businesses are on social media, their reviews are on every page. And It's so new for a lot of people to see comments that aren't favorable for them.

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And I love what you shared about the mirror because I think it's also... in addition to how powerful your journey is and how self-assured you are. And just thank you for the depths of what you've shared in terms of how you've gotten there. And why I like the tool, the mirror so much is it's so easy for every one of us to see a negative comment and be like, oh, that's about me or that's it, right?

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And your therapist saying, oh, actually it's the mirror. Meaning, It's actually just a reflection of the person who wrote it, right? And there's a famous saying that says we don't see things as they are. We see things as we are.

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And I think the mirror is another way of saying that. And I think it's just such a great tool for everyone, especially, oh, my gosh, kids, teens, but honestly, adults who have never had to deal with this. I mean, in the past, someone wrote a complaint letter in the mail, sent it in. No one ever saw it. And now it's like all of these people instantly –

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are somehow both experts and critics at everything. And it's really hard on a lot of people. And it makes a lot of people want to hide and disappear. And I think it's just such a great reminder of every time we see a comment that maybe is clearly just intended to be ugly or low vibration or mean. It's really, it's a mirror. It's a reflection of the state that that person's in.

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And I know you said you'll pray for people when you see comments like that. You'll pray for them because what pain must they be going through?

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All right, talking about social media. You have gone Instagram official. Instagram official with your new partner in your life. Can you tell us all about Adam?

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Well, today is the first day you and I are meeting and congratulations on this far, your brand new book. First time you're sharing so many things. If you guys think that We went deep on this podcast. Wait until you get the book. The things that you share in particular about your own journey. You know, my favorite parts were who you've become through everything this far by Alison Holker.

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You can get it anywhere books are sold. And I just want to thank you for being here on the show. So thank you, Alison.

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and accept it and that's enough a lot of us have a hard time receiving love or we'll give it right back i do that all the time give it right back and you're saying he was so good at just giving it all back but he didn't keep any for himself yeah when people would pour it into him there's so many people listening right now and watching that have been through hard times that have dealt with loss with struggle that are on their healing journey that are

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I am so excited for this book. You know why? Because it's going to save so many people. It's going to save people.

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The gifts are going away, but they're all free right now on worthybook.com. It's such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.

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looking for inspiration to give themselves permission to laugh again and to love again and to feel joy again and to feel fully alive again.

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But really, the superpower is... Talking about social media, you have gone Instagram official. Instagram official with your new partner.

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November 17th, 2022. So you and Stephen were on the Jennifer Hudson show.

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She first burst onto the scene when she competed in So You Think You Can Dance, where she met fellow dancer Steven Twitch Boss, who she married in December of 2013. She and tWitch amassed millions of fans across the globe with their heartfelt spirits and warm, inspiring dances.

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And you were both talking about having another baby. Mm-hmm. And three weeks later, what you call the incomprehensible happened. Stephen took his own life.

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In 2022, tWitch sent shockwaves through the world and through his family when he took his own life, leaving behind his wife Allison and their three kids and leaving millions of people asking why and how could this have happened?

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I know. Um, at the time, like it sent shockwaves through the world because millions of people every day were turning to you, to Twitch for joy. He was known for his just unremitting positivity for lifting the spirits of so many people every day. You say in your book this far, you say at

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Empowered women empower women. And today we've got an empowered woman who's going to empower you on the show. You've heard her say, you've got a deal on ABC's hit show Shark Tank for 16 seasons. Barbara Corcoran is an Emmy award winning shark, executive producer on the show. She's the founder of the Corcoran Group and her journey to this moment. We're all sharing together right now.

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What role does your intuition play in business? Also in your personal life as well? Friendships, decisions? It's everything.

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That's true. It's usually wrong. Well, so many people refer to you as a strong woman. And when I think of a strong woman, you proposed to both of your husbands. I should have thought about it.

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Oh my gosh. Yeah. You're a great protector, though. I am. No, you are. You're great. Don't mess with my people. Yeah. Yeah. I have to say, like, I walked on the set of Shark Tank and I didn't know what to expect. You know, I had no idea. I'll get into Shark Tank later. You didn't look it. You looked like you were right at home. The minute you sit in that seat, you looked like you were at home.

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Well, I, uh, I knew I'd put in the reps. I knew, I knew I'd been through every phase of whatever entrepreneur is going to walk through that door. I know I've lived what they're going through wherever they're at their business. Um, and also I'm so respectful that it's your show. It's the shark show and, and the team there, and I'm walking onto the set and, uh,

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Because maybe a bunch of us are getting it wrong right now.

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I have to say, you were the biggest surprise and blessing in the way. How nice of you. I felt like you were the protector of me in a way. Well, you're a woman. I had a woman on my team. Yes, yes. And you just... Oh my gosh, came right up to me.

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And when you handed me that list of questions that helped you 16 seasons ago when you started, you're like, you know, if these can help you in any way, cheat, cheat, because you got to hop in, you got to get in there. And I was like, just looking at you. And I remember I Those words just kept going through my head, empowered women empower women. Yes, yes. And we don't always see that.

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And I just felt like you were this – yeah, like you wanted me to win, and that felt so good. So thank you for that.

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Yeah. And it's been fun, you know, as a viewer, so many people watching us right now are listening will relate to this. It's fun to watch you see that light in people. I remember the, um, the pork belly pig barbecue sauce and you saw that light in him and, and yes, he resembled a really cute pig, but also you saw like that, like, and, and he got on board with it, you know, and that was fun to see.

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And it went on air. And he's very trim. And it was more just his face was so sweet, like a baby pig. Like a baby pig. You got it. Yeah. Oh, I totally got it. And I saw it right when you said it. I'm like, I see that. I get that. I see the brand. I see it, just all of it. And so, yeah, you do see the light in people.

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Oh my gosh. Can you share a little bit about the boyfriend turned business partner who then really liked your secretary?

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You know, on the topic of husbands, with your husband, Bill, now, you say one of the secrets to the success of your marriage, you guys have been sleeping in separate bedrooms. That is a secret. For decades. Can you talk about this? Because maybe a bunch of us are getting it wrong right now.

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Yeah. Well, yeah. Can you talk about that? Because does it make it like, you know... Makes sex better?

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Not sure S-U-R-E, but S-H-O-R-T. Oh my gosh. And I saw online that you dressed as Taylor Swift and him as it. So, so, so when you guys invite each other, so I thought he invited you to his room too. It's a one-way street. Okay. Has he ever tried to invite you? Yes. And I said, no, thank you. That's why he hasn't come back. He hasn't come back. And so he waits for the invitation. Yes, he does.

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It's less hurtful. And then is it like, do you guys do like special nights or like, was the Taylor Swift thing one of those invitations? Um, No, I'm afraid it wasn't.

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That's a great night. Because I go to my bedroom. Because it's your bedroom. That's like the best night with a friend, too, Scrabble and wine. Yes. Do you play Scrabble? Yeah. I could beat you, I'm sure. I bet you could beat me. I know all the little cheat words, you know? I bet you do. I'm not like sharp on it. I've played with my husband, and I'm telling you he cheats at Scrabble.

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And I felt like I would be nothing without him. He's your business partner. You're living together. I mean, your whole life is immersed with each other. And then he says, I'm now going to be with the secretary.

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Oh, who wants it now? I know, and then he'll debate, and I'm just like, okay, uh-uh. But I love Scrabble, and I love wine. There you go. I might knock on your bedroom door one night and see. Okay, so many incredible... relatable things that you've gone through that I feel like how you've handled them are so inspiring.

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You had a landlord that thought you were a prostitute. Yes. And then you end up turning that around. It's one of my biggest accounts, actually.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. Can you share a little bit about the boyfriend turned business partner who then really liked your secretary?

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Why do I need an insult to get going? Well, you know, I think about when you, what you just shared, you said, you know, um, before that insult had happened and you know, he ends things. He's, he's your business partner. You're living together. I mean, your whole life is immersed with each other. And then he says, I'm now going to be with the secretary.

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Yeah. They probably didn't plan it that way. Well, when you said, um, when you shared just now, you, you felt like you were nothing without him. I think so many people relate to that because they feel that way about their current partner or an ex or something like that. When you got to that moment, Barbara, where you made that decision that you're going to say no more.

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We're going to split the business. We're going to part ways. How did you get to that moment? Because a lot of people don't get to that moment. They stay in something where they know like, oh, this relationship isn't good for me or I'm I'm not happy or somebody is not. Maybe it's a business partnership. This person isn't respecting me or a friendship.

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This person doesn't love me or treat me like a friend the way I treat them. There's a lot of people that have this fear of I'm nothing without them and they stay in it. How did how do you think? that you got to that place where you made that decision. I'm going to, I'm going to part ways.

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Yeah. When you said those words to you, you'll never succeed without me. What was that feeling like? Do you remember where you felt it or what it felt like? Nausea.

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It brings out good things in people. You know, you, in that parting of ways, you talk about a lesson about always give the other person the bigger piece. Oh, yes, from my mom. Can you share a little bit about that?

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I thought it was so genius because you, I know you talk about in your book, Shark Tales, you talk about how, um, how you knew that he knew there was one salesperson that, you know, produced more than everyone and he took her and he took her, you knew you'd take her, but that wasn't actually what you needed. You needed the person who had the skillset to help you build next Esther. Yeah.

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And, uh, and so it was so smart and strategic because you gave him the bigger piece by saying you pick first. So then he takes the top producer. He thinks he wants expected you get who you want.

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Yeah. Yeah. And then you left it in a way where he thought he won. Oh, he won. Which probably then made it an easier transition. Short term he won. I had the long term, the long term game plan. Yeah. And just how creative you were and resourceful and all of that. You had a landlord that thought you were a prostitute. Yes. And then you end up turning that around. Can you share?

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It was so brilliant because there's people out there, too, that think. It's also lucky, I must say. A little bit of luck helps there. I think like so many people think maybe they watch Shark Tank or they whatever. And they're like, well, I don't have, you know, I haven't created a new product. But sometimes you can just improve on a product as well and be so strategic.

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Generally the best businesses, I think. Yeah, and you taking even so many of the one bedrooms, adding a wall, and now it's a one bedroom plus den. Now it's common in New York City.

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That's amazing. It's amazing. And so you made something special and unique out of something that was there just by making a slight tweak to it. Of course. Yeah. Everybody wanted more space in New York. You don't get any. Ooh, an extra space. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's like I think about if I were shopping for apartments looking for a one-bedroom, but then you have the same one-bedroom floor plan.

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You put a slight wall in there, and this particular ad says one-bedroom plus den at the same price.

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Always. What you just said about understanding what the other person wants. Sales. Yeah. Well, and it makes me think of no better example than when you say you out-Trumped Trump. Oh, yes. So you were putting out the Corcoran report, and you were doing the top 10 condos for sale. And that was, by the way, so innovative, right? To be building your business, like, well, you know what?

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I'm going to put out a report. So now... here's the Corcoran report. We're going to put it out there. We're going to show everyone the top 10 condos in all of Manhattan. And now all of a sudden, that's a thing that you created. Now it exists. And then Trump wasn't so happy that his condos weren't in it.

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is nothing short of remarkable. Barbara! I came, you came home to me in New York. Thanks for having me in my town. Yes, honored to be in your town. It's my town. This is your town. This is your town. I am so excited for this conversation. Barbara Corcoran, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. You are such a badass. You are such a badass. I don't think of myself as a badass.

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Empowered women empower women. And today we've got an empowered woman who's gonna empower you on the show. You've heard her say, you've got a deal on ABC's hit show Shark Tank for 16 seasons. Barbara Corcoran is an Emmy award winning shark and executive producer on the show. She's the founder of the Corcoran Group and her journey to this moment we're all sharing together right now

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is nothing short of remarkable. Barbara is one of 10 kids raised in a two bedroom home. She struggled with dyslexia, got straight D's in school and had 20 jobs by the time she turned 23. She then borrowed $1,000 and quit her job as a waitress to start a small real estate company in New York City.

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She grew the Corcoran Group into the largest and best-known brand in the brokerage business, and Barbara became one of the most successful entrepreneurs in the country. From a $1,000 loan to a billion-dollar business, and now she's invested in more than 100 businesses to date. She's also so sharp, quick-witted, and so, so funny. Plus, there's something she did to me.

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behind the scenes on Shark Tank that I'm going to share with you that made my jaw hit the floor and made my soul explode like a giant heart emoji. I am so excited for this conversation. Barbara Corcoran, welcome to the Jamie Curran Lima Show. I've been looking forward to it so much. Thank you so much. I'm so excited and I just love you and thank you for being here.

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This show is going to be, I already know it, such a blessing and so inspiring to so many people. I want to just right off the top ask you that so many of us get underestimated or we underestimate ourselves and you and your journey have gone from like underestimated to unstoppable. Yeah. in so many areas of life and in your business.

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And what would you say to the person who's watching us or listening to us right now who maybe is feeling underestimated or they're underestimating themselves?

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I love that you said you went to war with those thoughts in your head. And did you just create your own new tape that played? So anytime you would hear that old tape trying to play, you would be like, oh, uh-uh, not today, and intentionally-

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You're a business icon, you're a business legend. Walking arm in arm with you down the streets of New York City just felt like this, it's a moment I'll never forget. I think I'm successfully insecure.

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Yeah. I love that though. Cause it's like, you have the power to create your own tape. Like, right. You're the musician. So, so many people, uh, it's like right now, 80% of women don't believe they're enough. 75% of executive women deal with imposter syndrome. And that comes from that tape. A lot of times that we're

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That's such a cool perspective. And I think sometimes people know they're insecure. So then they think somehow I'm not qualified to do what Barbara's done. I'm insecure. They should only know. Yeah. Do you deal with insecurity a lot, but you just see it as a strength?

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Yeah. I'm so grateful you're sharing this right now because you already know this too. You are such a badass. You are such a badass. I don't think of myself as a badass. You're a business icon. You're a business legend. Walking arm in arm with you down the streets of New York City just felt like this. It's a moment I'll never forget.

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And, and so what I appreciate so much is you're also sharing things that allow everyone else watching us and listening to us right now to go, oh, wow. Okay. So Barbara feels the way I feel sometimes. And maybe my dreams are possible too.

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That's amazing. But I didn't say that to you. I said, nice to see you. That is amazing. On the topic of apartments, oh, my gosh. Just reading your books and just learning about you firsthand. There are so many skills and instincts that you have. Success leaves clues, right? That famous thing, success leaves clues.

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I am so excited to dive into some of these things because I feel like these lessons you've learned on all of our behalves can really help us. Um, in so many ways in all areas of life, whether it's personal life or business.

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Um, and I want to ask you, especially because, oh my gosh, people talk about now, uh, the glass ceiling and now the challenges, you know, um, being a woman in business, all of that. When your entire journey, I mean, do you, do you think that being underestimated can actually, that you can use being underestimated to your advantage?

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Yeah. When you think about your success, do you think that smarts or grit... played a bigger role.

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You went to war with those thoughts in your head. You proposed to both of your husbands. I should have thought about it. So you knew, you just knew. I knew, you know, it's something about, again, it's your intuition. You say one of the secrets to the success of your marriage, you guys have been sleeping in separate bedrooms. That is a secret. For decades. Can you talk about this?

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I'm so glad you're here for this incredible part two episode with founder and CEO of Bumble, Whitney Wolf Hurd, who shares stories and insights she's never shared before, and she's sharing them today right here with you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Imagine, what would you do if you fully believed in you? My weekly free inspirational newsletter is packed with tips and tools to help you find out. It's called One-on-One with Jamie and it's delivered right to your inbox each Tuesday morning. It's a love letter from me to you, from my soul to yours, and I hope it brings you the words and messages you need at just the right moment.

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of the lowest moments in your life trying to come out of an abusive relationship and now we're sitting here and millions of people have been impacted by the offering of bumble about the you know the what you've imagined and what you helped create i will share one story of something that changed my life this is so wild and if you're not

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. You have shared that while that all looked one way on the outside, um, And I think so many of us will see that and be like, oh my gosh, it feels like Cinderella, you know, at the ball. It feels like a fairy tale coming. It feels like the coolest moment in the world.

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And you say that was actually one of the worst days of your life. Definitely.

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I have had so many experiences at cosmetics where I was like, everything is crushing it on the outside. And exactly the words you said earlier, I felt like a vessel of a person, like barely alive, like in total survival mode, like an absolute robot. And...

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I still have to fight to not be... Like when I launched Worthy and did this big event where we had 260,000 people live, it was like everything was the most incredible. And also for me, that's the struggle of like, okay, wait, but if I am not... and rusted and all the things if I'm burnt out doing this. That's right. Um, and so, okay.

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So when you mentioned the year in, um, uh, you know, you're still obviously all in at Bumble, highly active, all the things, and you brought another person to the CEO. Yeah. And then now after a year, um, you're back in now as CEO, what does it now look like for you? What changes, you know, I mean, the whole world still puts the same expectations on any public company CEO, all the things.

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And you know, what shifts are you making? Because what you said is so powerful. It's like, oh my gosh, how are your customers going to be energized unless you're energized? That's right. So it actually on the outside could look like, oh, I love that they're working 120 hour weeks, but that's not necessarily the best strategy.

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So that's where we're going back with. And do you feel like strengthening self-love makes you even more of a kick-ass CEO?

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Yep. Right? Yes. Million percent. You know, have you ever or do you ever now deal with imposter syndrome?

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So if you are ready to get unstuck and start to manifest new and meaningful friends, mentors, and relationships in your life, even if some of them haven't worked out so well in the past, this episode is going to change your life today. Coming up in this episode... Whitney, am I crying? I am crying my lashes off.

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But you know what was beautiful about that? There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Imagine, what would you do if you fully believed in you? My weekly free inspirational newsletter is packed with tips and tools to help you find out. It's called One-on-One with Jamie and it's delivered right to your inbox each Tuesday morning. It's a love letter from me to you, from my soul to yours, and I hope it brings you the words and messages you need at just the right moment.

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Plus, when you're a part of my free inspirational newsletter community, you'll be the first to get behind-the-scenes content, inspirational messages, and be the first to learn about upcoming events and more. It's the place to be and I sure hope you'll join me there. So if you're not on the list yet, you can sign up for free at jamiekernlima.com or click the link in the show notes below.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together.

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She's the one to tell you you're gonna be okay. Yeah. When you literally also don't know if you're dying. That's right. Have you ever or do you ever now deal with imposter syndrome?

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You don't have to play that game. Did you have, you know, from an online persona, you are friends with every celebrity, every cool person, every badass business person. I mean, you're everywhere. You're at everything. So having this moment, it doesn't surprise me, but I didn't know about it. So it's taken me by surprise from that perspective just a little over a year ago. And

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Did you have any instances where you realized someone, and I won't ask you who, but someone who you thought was your friend actually changed when your business on paper looked different?

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Oh, that's so good what you just said. No, but it's true.

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Yes. And that's their frequency right now. It's not that something's different with you. It's that you realize their frequency.

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I'm just sitting here celebrating you right now. I love you. Okay. That... is wild to me. It's not, it's not shocking, but here's the thing is that, you know, Oprah always says when it comes to friends, like, you know, it's easy to find people that ride the limo with you, but when the limo breaks down, you're taking the bus, the friends that ride the bus with you, that's who you want with you.

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That's who you want. And obviously you're not riding any buses and you are CEO of one of the most successful companies in the world right now and all of that.

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And that's why it's shocking to me that everything you've done, everything you've built, everything you've gone through, everything you've accomplished, and on paper, something changes with the value of your company or a title and you're uninvited from something. That's just like shocking. And to see friends change that quickly. What a beautiful gift when people show you who they are.

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And then for you to have two days crying just over a year ago. Yeah. and then to come out of it with this kind of a freedom.

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Oh, my God. Whether it's the example of the grade school or as adults, we've all been there.

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Change you. Yeah. Yeah. That is such, it's so beautiful. It's so powerful. It's hard to do for a lot of people. It's hard. Yeah. Mel, who's a really good friend, launched her Let Them book, did the show. So cool. And her whole thing is like, we spend so much time trying to control things we can't control, worrying about what other people think, all of it, giving away our power.

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And we were just like, let them. Enjoy. It's beautiful. I didn't know that you went through that just a little over a year ago. That's big. Yeah. And there are so few women doing and operating and offering the world in business and in creativity the kinds of things that you've done. And so it's just... Yeah, I'm just processing that you shared that.

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Because I was gonna ask you this, have you, maybe you're to this point now, it took me a long journey to get to this point, but so many women out there, we bond over, like we're taught to bond over being self-deprecating or our problems or putting ourselves down or, oh, I can't fit in my outfit, my house is a mess, kind of a thing. And then when something great happens to us,

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we kind of like dim our light or we don't want to boast or we don't. And I'm wondering because, you know, I'm wondering if, if you've ever dimmed your light or hid your success, or if you fully embrace it now, um, I'll never forget, you know, you're on Forbes, America's richest self-made women's list.

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And I'll never forget that when I sold at Cosmetics, Forbes called and they're like, you're on America's richest self-made women's list. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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For you to have two days crying just over a year ago and then to come out of it with this kind of a freedom. Oh yeah. Whether you're listening for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. Remember, this episode is not just for you and me.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Please share this with every single person you know because it can change their life too. Jamie Kern Lima is her name.

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Whitney Wolf Hurd, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. When you talk about like doing it for us and you shared about everything you went through as a teenage girl. and just the moment on the floor after Tinder and just realizing clearly how you're going to help the collective us.

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Can you share, Whitney, the number of people who have written you messages because of their experience with Bumble who have gained confidence, who have gotten in touch with their self-worth, who have left abusive relationships because of the offering. Because of, you know, you talk about Walt Disney imagining this whole thing and it's like, and it all started with a mouse.

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It's like this all started with you and your experiences and everything you've gone through. You have a download at 17 saying this is your purpose when you're literally at 17 on a plane One of the lowest moments in your life, trying to come out of an abusive relationship.

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And now we're sitting here and millions of people have been impacted by the offering of Bumble, about what you've imagined and what you and your team helped create. How does it feel in your soul?

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to know how many people continue to share stories with you on how what you've created has changed their life and how they've left abusive relationships and they've, you know, decided to do things differently in their own life because of the offering you've put out in the world.

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On the outside, the world watched this incredible woman with an 18-month-old son on her hip take Bumble public. I remember seeing it everywhere. I remember you and I weren't friends yet at that time, but I remember seeing it and seeing the confetti everywhere and your yellow blazer and, like, all the things and your... everywhere on the cover of every magazine.

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Everyone is just watching you with so much awe and inspiration and excitement. You have shared that while that all looked one way on the outside, and I think

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She's the one to tell you you're going to be okay when you literally also don't know if you're dying. That's right.

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so many of us will see that and be like oh my gosh it feels like cinderella you know at the ball it feels like a fairy tale coming it feels like the coolest moment in the world and you say that was actually one of the worst days of your life definitely i went home and cried after the ipo why was i crying you have a download at 17 saying this is your purpose when you're literally at 17 on a plane

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Whitney crying. I am crying my lashes off. That's really crying my lashes off. By the way, that's a great tagline or like comment crying my lashes off. It's just so powerful. It's so powerful. And I think a lot of people, you know, have gone through the hard times. And through hearing your story, are going to understand also that their best days can be ahead.

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You know, I love... One of the things I love so much about this show, this podcast, and these conversations is we so often talk about the story behind the story. And I think that's really where so many people get their inspiration and then they see what's possible. And... you know, on the outside, the world watched this incredible woman with a 18 month old son on her hip take Bumble public.

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And I remember seeing it everywhere. I remember you and I weren't friends yet at that time, but I remember seeing it and seeing the confetti everywhere and your yellow blazer and like all the things and you're everywhere on the cover of every magazine. Everyone is just watching you with so much awe and inspiration and excitement.

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And you have shared that while that all looked one way on the outside, And I think so many of us will see that and be like, oh my gosh, it feels like Cinderella at the ball. It feels like a fairy tale coming. It feels like the coolest moment in the world. You say that was actually one of the worst days of your life.

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Why was I crying? There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy.

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How to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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You describe how your inner voice had faded. You say, in the decade or so before my marriage fell apart, therapy made it possible for you to respond to betrayals in your marriage without betraying yourself in return.

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It is so good. And I love what you shared earlier that in your life, you've been inspired by other people sharing their stories or saying, this is how I got through this, or this is what I did there. And you have friends that have shown up for you that way. In the next day, you describe how your inner voice has had faded.

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And you say, in the decade or so before my marriage fell apart, you write that therapy made it possible for you to respond to betrayals in your marriage without betraying yourself in return.

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And while we do, take a moment and share this episode with every single person that you know, maybe they're going through a transition in their life in some way, who this episode could inspire. Because this conversation can truly not just impact our lives, but theirs too. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth.

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And sharing life-changing lessons on igniting your courage. Panic attacks. So many of us have them, and a lot of us think we're alone in them or we don't share them.

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When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Imagine what would you do if you fully believed in you. My weekly free inspirational newsletter is packed with tips and tools to help you find out. It's called One-on-One with Jamie and it's delivered right to your inbox each Tuesday morning. It's a love letter from me to you, from my soul to yours, and I hope it brings you the words and messages you need at just the right moment.

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Plus, when you're a part of my free inspirational newsletter community, you'll be the first to get behind-the-scenes content, inspirational messages, and be the first to learn about upcoming events and more today. It's the place to be, and I sure hope you'll join me there. So if you're not on the list yet, you can sign up for free at jamiekernlima.com or click the link in the show notes below.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. You say in the decade or so before my marriage fell apart, you write that therapy made it possible for you to respond to betrayals in your marriage without betraying yourself in return.

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With transitions that happen in our lives, and especially the ones we weren't planning on, a lot of times we, you know, sometimes our default will go to like, is something wrong with me? Or maybe someone just lost their job. Or the friendship group didn't invite them to the thing. Or just like things are changing, right? Over half of us will experience divorce. There's so many transitions.

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And I love the book where you talk about how many different transitions You've gone through, I'm going through one right now where my kids are now in school. And so like, that's like, wait, I haven't had a schedule. I haven't had to answer to anyone else. And like, just things like that, right? So we are all go through these different transitions.

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And sometimes when they're ones that we didn't foresee, we can feel like, is something wrong with us? Or are we unworthy? Or, you know, did you ever experience that?

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Yeah, yeah. Which I think for so many people, maybe they're at the infancy of that journey or it'll be a lifelong journey, but that's beautiful.

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I love that in the book. That was actually a big takeaway for me because I will rush through things. And sometimes, you know, when something doesn't go our way, we do not want to feel that for long. You know what I mean? So we're like, oh, to the next thing. And you talk about that, the power of making sure you create enough space to learn the lesson or to heal or to process all of it.

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In the book, one thing that you share in the next day I just have to say this, Melinda, I've written two books and anytime I'm on someone's show and they actually read the book and they actually like, I'm so grateful. And I just want to say this because it's so important, you know, that the book is out right now and everyone can go get their copy and on both audio.

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And also I love, I love doing both at the same time, reading the physical copy and listening, you know, I love both. Um, cause I feel like I'm able to just like take everything in. One of the things that you share, um, in the book so, uh, vulnerably is about, um, panic attacks and And so many of us have them. And a lot of us think we're alone in them or we don't share them.

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You talk about, I think, first in 2006 with the hot air balloon ride. And then I think it was your 20th wedding anniversary.

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How do you reconcile that and practice faith and also be so passionate about some of the things you believe so strongly in that maybe some people in a particular religion don't?

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Yeah. So I had my first one actually on my honeymoon. And I'm like, what is this trying to tell me? Although what's funny is we wrote the business plan for our company on our honeymoon. So I'm like, maybe I was like about to enter a hole. I don't know what it was, but that was my first time ever.

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And I couldn't even, I was similar to you where I'd heard of, of course I knew what they were, but I didn't understand. And then when you have one, oh my gosh, for me, I felt like I was going to die. Yes. Like it's so scary.

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Well, you talk about, too, that we can have signs coming from us from all different areas. And page 77 of the next day, page 77, I told you, oh, my gosh, I studied every word. It's so good. It's so good. Congratulations. Thank you.

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You can probably sense my excitement because when I get excited, it's when I know something's going to really matter and when it's going to impact so many people, but especially women. So page 77 of the next day, you share – You talk about the dreams you started having. You say an article had come out suggesting your ex-husband not only went against the marriage, but also your values.

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And you started having dreams of a crumbling foundation. Can you share about those dreams? Because a lot of people wonder, are they seeing a sign or is it just a coincidence? Yeah.

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Do you know for sure God exists? Hearing your intuition. So you have to trust.

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Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima. One of my favorite parts of the next day was I felt like I was right by your side in some ways in your childhood, even seeing how you were raised. I used to type on a typewriter, and you talk about the 15-pound typewriter that you were gifted. You talk about your parents. You talk about being raised Catholic. And so I'm curious now today—

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how would you say the role of faith? Um, what's that role of faith in your life right now?

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When you talk about organized religion, you know, for me, like my journey, I'm curious your thoughts on this is because you're very you're very active with women's rights and politically, all the things, all the things. I think some people are scared to even consider faith because they feel they might be judged or they feel like, oh, well.

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You know, I believe these things, but then I don't know if I can practice a faith because I've always, as you said, the man-made rules. How do you sort of in your own spirit and soul go, okay, I feel this about my faith and there might be parts of it, whether they're in writing or not, that doesn't feel right. True to me. How do you navigate that?

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Because I think a lot of people don't have faith in their life anymore, or they feel like there's so many rules that maybe feel incongruent with their soul. How do you reconcile that and practice faith and also be so passionate about some of the things you believe so strongly in that maybe some people in a particular religion don't?

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coming up in this incredible part two episode with Melinda French Gates. She's opening up like never before. You started having dreams of a crumbling foundation.

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I love something you just said that we all have a knowing, like we all have a knowing and know the truth. And, you know, I, I, I believe in God, I pray almost every day, all the things. And in my knowing, I just, Melinda, how I feel like how I live my life. And I want to share this because I think something you shared is so powerful.

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And just for anybody listening or watching us right now, who is maybe in that incongruent place, they're like, well, I kind of feel like I'm, you know, to explore faith in my life, but I just can't get over that, that rule or that judgment or whatever. It's that knowing it's asking yourself what feels true, like what feels true to me. And everyone can do that. It's free once we get good at it.

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Right. And, and I remember, um, I've gotten pushback on my show for having people that maybe love differently or vote differently or identify differently. And I just, every time, how I feel is when I ask my knowing, my soul, I feel like if Jesus were here right now, He would love you no matter what, no matter how you identify or how you vote or how you, and that's what I believe.

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That's what I feel is true. So that's how I try to then live my life. And it's just, I want to share that because when you shared that so beautifully, I think for me, I think that's the powerful thing for people to do. And a lot of people actually haven't considered that. Well,

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Maybe I can approach faith in a way that I take the parts that feel true and feel right and feel like they're true for me and every person can do that. Okay, I want to talk about lessons in trusting yourself and your inner voice. which, you know, I could talk about, I could do, I could talk to you for 24 hours about the next day, which is why everyone needs to go pick it up right now.

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And she said, I missed you. What did that mean to you?

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Kate's over here. She's glowing across the room.

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um when when i was i was sharing this with you when we were walking here to the set but as a reader was i felt like i was right there with you through the book and and and this is so different than how most books are written and for the person who's listening right now watching us right now um who maybe has uh you know dealt with the loss of someone they love or they're maybe just you know

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having a new focus on, wow, I want to remember people that maybe I've loved and have lost or that are still in my life. And you take us through this journey and it's so...

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intimate and it's so powerful and it's so purposeful but then also you're telling us how you're feeling in the moment as you're writing it like you're almost like we're going through this journey of remembering with you and so we're part of the remembering and we're seeing how we can remember and you're giving us an example of how we can remember in our own lives but then we're also feeling what we're experiencing what you're feeling as you write it and can you share

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a little bit of insight, because there's gonna be a lot of people watching and listening that go, oh my gosh, I want to I want to remember. I want to remember. I want to remember with that person. I want to do that. Like, Kelsey, how do I do that? What did that look like for you as you went through this? How did you know it was time to do that?

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And how did you know or did you it would be worth it or that you needed to? And how did you figure out how to? Yeah.

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What you just said about remember, like just sent chills through my whole body. To break down the word for so many people listening right now, they have loved ones they've lost. And for you to say, remember, you were a member with them. You were in membership with them. And by remembering, it's almost like you reignite that connection, that aliveness, that in membership with them. Yeah.

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Can you share with everyone, Esther, and how Karen came through? I get so many messages and DMs from people saying, you know, what about a plant medicine journey? What about this? What about like just all these? And I think what I've learned.

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I knew this already, but I know this even more powerfully through doing this show, is that I feel like when each of us share our stories, that it helps everyone feel less alone and more enough. And they just kind of, I think, revel in that. I think we need that now more than ever, that connection. But for you, can you talk about, through the story of Esther, how this all started?

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Because there are going to be people at home going, wait, can I get Esther's number? Like, what do I do?

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Will you explain what you mean by that?

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What did that feel like when she said that? And did you believe her?

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right there when you talk about you know all of these people that have passed or that are living that are in your life and you're in like a dark room and you're hearing all the voices um is that when you write only no no that was just uh that was a meditative moment that was just i wrote about it a couple days later wow yeah it just it was just logged yeah yeah filed away

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And was it just like you were in meditation or prayer?

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Yeah. Like you said earlier, when you open yourself to them.

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Right? Yeah. It's so interesting, Kelsey. In my life, I believe our life is divinely orchestrated. I think we have choice. I think all of that. I find that when I talk about my faith or talk openly on the show, for example, about my faith, what's so tricky is that... Everyone's at different places of faith in their life. So some people write in and say, they're mad I'm talking about God.

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Someone else will write in and say, you didn't talk about God correctly.

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Yes. And, and even inside the same one. And, and I, and, and it's interesting, um, because of what you shared earlier, you know, sometimes people are in different ranges of their belief in faith or they don't want to hear about a medium or this or that. And I always, I just feel like it will not be until we are, you know, uh, in part of our eternal life that we even understand all the things.

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I feel like humans can try to judge. I have one of my best friends that doesn't like crystals. I love crystals. I'm like, first of all, God created them. That's the first thing. And I'm so open to all of that. I felt like when I wrote, I've written two books and I felt, I just felt like I didn't write them. I felt like they came through me.

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And it's like a hard thing to explain, but I love that you share the process of writing this book, not only because so many people that are going to read it, they're going to pick up Karen, the book Karen, may want to write their own book, or they may want to actually just start writing their own story or a loved one's story, or they may want to remember through writing.

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And maybe they never share it with anyone else, but it's their own kind of private process of doing that. How do you know... How do you know for sure that Karen is with you and has been with you through this process of the book?

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You know, one of my friends, Erwin McManus, who is a pastor, he was giving this keynote speech right before me at an event. And his whole keynote was on quantum entanglement. And I'm thinking, what is quantum entanglement? But I'm listening to the whole thing. And he said something so powerful. He said that he believes that...

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Because we grieve and because we feel so deeply for people we've loved and lost that once they're gone, they're gone in physical form, that he believes it's proof of eternal life. The fact that we still feel so deeply. And he talks about like resonance between souls and how it's proof that their soul... Um, and that there's eternal life based on how strong we feel for somebody.

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And if that person just disappeared, that we wouldn't feel that connection or that sense of they're here or they're with me or they're, they're, you know, showing me a sign or giving me a nudge or speaking to me or speaking to my wife or any of those things. And it was so profound the way he explained it.

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He explained it far more eloquently than I just did, but he explained it and I had never thought of it that Right.

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That we're so deeply connected emotionally and in other ways that the essence of their essence and our essence, he explained, have like united, as you would say, we're we're in membership with and and how it's proof that even if they are not here in physical form, that that that their soul is still there and that there's eternal life. eternal life.

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In Karen, Kelsey shares the tragic story of the death of his sister Karen, who was brutally murdered at the age of 18, and the journey of his own path to healing in his life. In Karen, Kelsey aims to help others who have experienced similar loss, offering solace and encouragement to cherish the love they knew, however brief, on their own path toward healing.

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It's okay. I think so many people are in this point in their own faith journey. I have so many friends this way. I was raised going to church, and then I spent probably, I don't know, a couple of decades just sort of like inside myself doubting God exists.

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And I remember I was in graduate school in New York City and around so many people that don't have faith at all or think that if you do believe in God, you're just not that smart. And I was around that all the time and also around a lot of different faiths.

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And I started to sort of question, hmm, like, you know, and I remember going through God doubt and I went to, this is years later, I went to my first ever therapist about something completely different and was telling her I doubt God exists and I'm doubting God exists. And she said to me, well, what makes you think he can't handle your doubt? Um, and I'm like, what do you mean?

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And she's like, well, if he, and I don't even know if she believes at all, by the way, she said, if he created the entire universe, like what makes you think he can't handle your doubt? She goes, why don't you try praying and telling him, uh, you doubt he exists and to prove you wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt that he does. And I'm like, OK. And so and so this went on for a couple of years.

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But like I would I would if I was praying for a friend's health or something like that, I would end the prayer and I'd be like, and by the way, God, I'm doubting you exist. So if you could please show up in my life, right, prove me wrong, be on a shadow of a doubt. I'd be so grateful in Jesus name. Amen. And I did that prayer.

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Kelsey, like there is zero question in my mind, like the way God started showing up where it was literally screaming in my face. Like there's so many examples of this that have happened. And I'm just like, whoa, like the person that finally gave us a shot on QVC after years of my business struggling and us getting no's. Later, I thanked her. I was like, you loved our product. Thank you.

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And this was years later. This was after we had become their biggest brand. And she says she was a show host there for 17 years. And she says, no, no, no. I gave you a shot because God told me go up and help that girl. Like it was just like one thing after another after, and it was just like, whoa.

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So that, so for anyone listening right now, no matter where you are in your journey, like that for me was something, um, that was really powerful to do is just to like, call it like you see it. Like God, I am doubting you exist. So can you please show up, like prove me wrong, but beyond a shadow of a doubt, because I don't want like a hint, like just like beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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So for you, when you just shared that, I just know that so many people listening are going to relate to that. And, you know, you share openly in your book, Karen, that everyone needs to go grab their copy of right now. You share about a lot of different hardships you've gone through and a lot of different struggles and a lot of different times you veered off course and a lot of different just

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you know, journeys in your life. And I love so much that you share that because there's also so many people, just as it pertains to faith, there's so many people that think like, oh,

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you know, I'm imperfect, therefore I'm disqualified from praying, or I'm disqualified from asking for anything, or I'm disqualified from a relationship with God, or they've met people that are so judgmental that they feel like it's not for them. And so I love that you share so candidly about your life's journey, your whole life's journey.

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I mean, back to growing up, I mean, back to all of, back to thoughts you had as a little kid, back to, you know, uh, all the things. And so for you, when, when, and you say that you You didn't always have strong faith. What was it for you that was like, oh, God is real and I know that for sure? We need to pause for a super brief break.

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you weren't, you didn't always have strong faith. What was it for you that was like, Oh, God is real. And I know that for sure.

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because what you're about to hear could change your life and theirs too. Also, every episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show features a wide range of guests. I believe that you can't help heal humanity through love unless you understand the humans that make it up. I have friends who vote differently, love differently, and believe completely differently than me.

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Do you believe, I struggle with this idea I'm about to ask you about because, you know, when I look at, for example, you know, I was a Denny's waitress, which I just learned you're a Denny's dishwasher. Okay. If you're listening to the show right now, you've got a Denny's waitress, a Denny's dishwasher. We're making magic together.

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I love Denny's. So I love them so much. I just was on Shark Tank as a guest shark this season, and their profile piece they showed me as a waitress at Denny's. Denny's reached out, and they're sending me merch, which I'm so excited about. I have to tell you, it's like one of the most exciting things for me, but I actually go and celebrate at Denny's to this day. Yeah.

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When I did Oprah's show for the first time, I went to Denny's to celebrate, brought my daughter, showed her the menu. What's your go-to meal? Oh, I like their pancakes, like whatever time of day it is.

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And hot fudge sundaes. Their menu, although it's pretty expansive now, when I was working there, it wasn't quite this large. They have a lot of fun stuff. My daughter was excited about moons over Miami. She thought that was funny. Yeah. So, um, so anyhow, I mean, you know, when I launched this business in my living room, I mean, we worked a hundred hour weeks for a decade.

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And then I look at the outcome of what happened and I'm just like, whoa. And you know, I come, you know, I was adopted. My family that raised me is amazing, multiple families, but my parents work so hard. They work just as hard as me and did not have the outcome, not even close. And I wonder with you, um,

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When you look at your career so far, so far, still going, still going strong, excited to watch you play Beast. Thank you. Coming up in the Avengers Doomsday. But when you look at your career and there's probably moments where you think about like, huh, okay, everyone's freaking out that I'm the highest paid actor in all of Hollywood. Or, huh. That was a brief freak out. Just won my sixth Emmy.

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I mean, on and on and on and on. Do you... Do you ever go how, I mean, of course you've worked so hard. Of course you have talent. Of course, all the things. And also there's a lot of people that work really, really hard and there's people with talent. So do you think that's God? What do you think it is that you have experienced so much success in so many different areas in your life?

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I've gotten hate for giving them love, but I'll never stop doing that because I know why I'm here, and it's to be a force for love. This world now more than ever desperately needs the force for love inside each of us.

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You can't help heal humanity through love if you only love the people who are just like you and aren't truly open and curious about the humans who make up the collective humanity that I believe is possible for all of us to heal together. And with that, let's get this episode started.

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I struggle with that all the time. Like I'll pray and ask God to carry something. And then I think I still have to carry it.

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I feel like like living in alignment is or flow or it's such a beautiful feeling. And in and also like I feel like our body tells us or fire engines and dogs tell us when we're out of alignment. And do you feel because I think this is a really new concept for a lot of people and they're actually learning to like, huh? What do I actually feel about this?

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Like, what, like, do I feel like I'm in alignment in this job or in this relationship or in this, you know, hobby or in this friendship or friendship circle? Like, what does that, like, how would you describe to someone listening who wants to tune in more to understanding like, oh yeah, okay, I'm in alignment. Like, this is like, you know, or flow or, or whatever versus, um, yeah.

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Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Oh, I'm, you know, I'm just hearing fire engines for no reason. Like how do you, how do you, how do you kind of learn to feel that in your body and then to trust it?

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Oprah, how have you defied the odds?

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I love what you just said is to ask. And it's so simple, but that's like the step I think most of us skip. We're sitting around waiting. We're waiting for something, but maybe we just need to ask, like, what am I supposed to do in this situation? Or, you know, just ask the question and then just try to create space to hear the answer.

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Yeah, yeah. You say that this, that Karen, but Karen, you say this is not a grief book. This is a life book. What is your advice for others looking to remember their loved ones well and also honor their life with joy? Right.

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Imagine overcoming self-doubt, learning to believe in yourself and trust yourself and know you are enough. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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I want to call something out just for everyone listening, because I always believe that famous quote, success leaves clues. And just two things I want to share just for everyone listening right now. that pertains to your own life. Uh, I love so much. You just shared, you know, I asked this question about, Oh, you say it's not a, you know, grief book, it's a life book.

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And you know, you, you could have shared, yes, it's a life, but you're like, Oh no, here's actually why I wrote that. You're like, somebody tried to put me into a cookie cutter thing. And like, I'm not going to let that happen. Cause that's, you know, I'm worthy of more than that. And I want to call this out because every person listening, uh,

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All of us have had someone try to, you know, someone who might be some big agent or in our version of life might be an in-law or or who knows who it is, a boss, whoever. And they'll quickly just put that limitation on us. And it's easy to let that happen or to just get pissed and not do anything about it or to kind of like, huh, maybe they're right or whatever.

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I love so much that you shared like that. Uh, no, that's not, this isn't going to be a hundred page cookie cutter grief book. Uh, you know, and, and, and I love that you, that you stand up against that. And the other thing I just want to share on that and this idea that success leaves clues because.

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you know, I always say this, like it's usually almost always when someone's so successful, it's not an accident, right? It's, it's a lot of things. Um, but, uh, when you, when we were getting ready to start the interview, um, we have like the first copy of your hardcover of Karen in the studio.

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Um, but you quickly opened up my copy, a pre-copy to check if one error was in that, like a typo was that typo in there. And, um, Kelsey, I can't even tell you how many celebrities they don't even know. They wouldn't even know if there's or not even celebrities, authors in general. Right. There's a lot of people that, you know, they've they've had the gift of maybe someone else writing the book.

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And that's great. There's nothing wrong with that. Right. But the fact that you knew where the typo was and you're checking in the pre-copy, is it there? I watched that and I had these memories flash back to me about when I was building at Cosmetics.

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I knew if like on the big fixture in like the Sephora or Ulta, I knew if the wrong graphic got put in and I could see it and I would just be like, okay, am I going to... And just like when you care, when you care. And so watching you sit down and taking your own time, because the hardcover is out now, but going back to the early copy, looking, is that one in this one? I just saw how much you care.

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And so with this idea too that success leaves clues, I just think it's worth pointing out because it's really cool, I think, for everyone listening and watching who, you know,

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who maybe has seen your great success you know publicly as an actor or as a producer or as a comedian or as all the things that you are an author everything else um but to have that kind of insight into like oh okay it's not an accident you know what I mean when you see those two things and I just want to call that out because I think I think that um

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for people who details really matter, which sometimes I wish. Oh, my gosh. I know. Sometimes I wish I didn't see them. One of my best friends, she was our very first employee at our company. And we had over 1,000 employees before we sold the business, but she would always She'd always say to me before like a creative meeting and the creative team would bring in all the campaigns and stuff.

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Kelsey Grammer, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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She'd be like, do you think they do shots before? Because she knew I was going to like notice every detail. I'm like, I need to do shots before because honestly, I wish I didn't notice the things and I wish I didn't care so much because sometimes it's easier not to. But yeah.

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But when you see your success and then you just notice small things like that, I just want to call them out for everyone at home because, you know, for, you know, the person in their real life, whether it's at their job or in their friendship circle or in a relationship or whatever it is, like, you know, if you're a person that really cares about details and someone else maybe gets annoyed by that or doesn't want to, whatever, like, I just feel like staying...

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I see you're getting emotional listening to it.

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convicted of who you are and that gift that you have to see them and to care so much. I mean, I think that's such a blessing to be able to do that. And so anyways, just wanted to share that with everyone at home. Can you talk about Karen visiting you and telling you that you're a water baby?

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Before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it is an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Here, I hope you'll come as you are, heal where you need, blossom what you choose, and journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima show. Oh my gosh. You know, that journey to believe you're actually worthy of something.

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Oprah, how have you defied the odds?

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Imagine overcoming self-doubt, learning to believe in yourself and trust yourself and know you are enough. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Imagine stepping into all of who you are and into the person you were born to be. Unstoppable. Hi, I'm Jamie Kern Lima, and I went from struggling waitress facing nonstop rejection to building a billion dollar company from my living room.

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And it's not because I'm smarter than anyone else. I didn't have the right connections, but I figured out how to believe in myself and how to believe my dreams are possible and believe that I'm worthy of them. And what I know for sure is that you are too.

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Come as you are. Stay as long as you'd like. Heal where you need. Blossom what you choose because you belong here. You, exactly as you are, are a miracle in motion, a mighty force for good. You are a masterpiece. I see you. I believe in you. I love you. You are worthy. And right now, I have one question for you. What would you do if you fully believed in you? Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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It's such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.

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Which is so beautiful. I mean, I think, you know, every person who lives long enough and who's blessed enough to love somebody deals with loss and grief. And you talk a lot in the book, Karen, which everyone should go pick up their copy. But you talk a lot about the power of remembering. And can you share just a little bit? more about that.

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How do you remember the people in your life who you loved and have lost? And have you considered how that impacts your life, your healing, your spirit, and your joy today? Well, today we're talking about love, loss, healing, remembering, and celebrating a joy-filled life with my guest today, Kelsey Grammer.

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What you just said about remember, like just sent chills through my whole body because to break down the word. And I think for so many people listening right now, they're going to have a big aha moment over this, right? Because they have loved ones they've lost and still love. And for you to say, remember, you were a member with them. You were in membership.

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with them. And by remembering, it's almost like you reignite that what's already there, but that, that, that connection, that aliveness, that in membership with them. When did that happen for you? Like in, in a, in a way you were able to, to feel with your sister. Um, and can you tell me about Karen?

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See, I did my homework. I read that you love cocktail onions. I'm like, OK, we've got to have them on the set.

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Will you tell me more about that, like about its impact on you when you chose to write this? Sure.

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I was a Denny's waitress, which I just learned you're a Denny's dishwasher. I actually go and celebrate at Denny's to this day. Yeah, and I see you're getting emotional. Kelsey is a Golden Globe award-winning, Emmy award-winning, Tony award-winning, Screen Actors Guild award-winning, People's Choice award-winning actor, comedian, and producer.

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These are some of the hot questions that everyone wants to know. Talk about your name. Do you use Markle anymore? What's your morning routine look like? Would you ever write another book? People are often curious if I'm going to write a memoir. Would you ever run for office? Can you give us one hint on something exciting coming up for ASAP? I have had your jam in my refrigerator all year.

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Yeah. Do you think our lives are divinely ordered or like our steps are divinely ordered when you think about that moment and sort of like seeing that example and now it's part of your life all the time?

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You know, in my life, I have so many friends of all different faiths. I have friends that love everything. One of my friends who's the strongest Catholic I know also sees every psychic, every meeting. She's like, God made them too. We're going to cover our bases and all the things. That's funny because most people, one or the other. Right. Yeah. Right. And I'm so open.

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I've had so many different people on the show. Obviously, I'm pretty open about my faith and how much... I believe in God. And I wanted to ask you this also just in the beginning. I feel like why I'm so grateful this show is connecting with so many people is because it's just everyone needs connection. They want to feel connected and they want to feel loved.

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seen to use the words you just used and they want to feel like less alone and more enough and i asked oprah this when she was on the show why did you say yes and she just paused and she said i felt it was divinely ordered and i was like so i want to ask you this question because your trust is such a sacred thing anybody's trust is a sacred thing so why did you say yes to doing this show

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Our friendship. has been such a journey. And what I mean by that is, you know, when I sold it to L'Oreal and even before then, one of the things that caught me off guard was when we were then part of L'Oreal, so many celebrities entered my orbit. So a lot of them wanted contracts with L'Oreal, which was why. But it was this whole thing.

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And so I've seen inside so many different worlds and I've seen how the press is part of all the things. Getting to know you for who you truly are, why I felt so passionate about this is like, I want people to see that. You know what I mean? I'm going to get emotional if I talk about it, but like I, that's, that's my intention. And that's, I think that's what I feel called to do in this interview.

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No one knows. No one's seen it. I have not posted it. In this incredible conversation, Megan shares stories and insights for the first time ever.

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So for me, it feels divinely ordered for that reason is like, I feel, you know, I think that it's, um, It's a gift to celebrate my friend with the world. And I think I've seen a lot of things in my life. I've never seen anything like what you go through on a daily basis. I have never seen anything like it.

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I think what's so beautiful is when people connect, who are listening or watching, connect with the truth and they'll know what's true in their soul when they hear and listen to this. And that's what I think is so special.

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I'll never forget you and I were at a business conference together. Amy's. And Amy Griffin's. Yeah, our friend Amy Griffin's. And afterwards we got back and I think there was like lots of different just group photos from all the different people there on social media. No big deal. And I'd spoken at it. You were so supportive. All the things. Get back. I'm like, great. All of a sudden.

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You told me about this. within like five, I'm so glad you don't see this, within five seconds there was thousands, thousands of articles. I was like, and what was wild to me about it was like, none of them were true. And I was like watching this. I'm like, this is wild. I'd never experienced that before. And I thought I'd seen everything. I really did.

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Um, and then I remember my, one of my aunts called me and she's like, I'm so sorry. Are you okay? I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, I heard that you and Megan were in a huge fight. I'm like, what? I'm like, what do you mean? I'm like, no, she's amazing. What are you talking about? And she was literally so worried for me that, that, that maybe like, cause we got in a big fight. I'm like, Huh?

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I know. And it was wild to me that, you know, regular, and she's a teacher, like she's not looking at all this stuff. So regular people are getting these articles everywhere and it's thousands of them.

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Thousands daily, daily. Yes. And like, none of these are true. Yeah. We didn't get into a fight. We had the best time. I know. Oh my gosh. It was the most empowering, inspiring, like, and I'm just watching this. And so it was interesting because I mean, nothing surprised me. We've all heard about tabloids for years. None of that surprised me.

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But what surprised me was it was the first time I was part of it to see just how absolutely incongruent it is from the truth and then also to see how other people get it. So I was just like... Yeah.

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How often do you see stories, whether they're in magazines or online? Yeah.

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I went from struggling waitress facing nonstop rejection to founder of IT Cosmetics, a billion dollar company, by learning how to overcome self-doubt and believe I'm worthy of my hopes and dreams.

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How often do you see stories, whether they're in magazines or online?

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Are you celebrating? You remember I didn't celebrate that much. Are you celebrating? Are you celebrating? You have to celebrate. You have to enjoy this. Huge. This is huge. This is huge. It's big. It's big. It's big. It's big. You just launched as ever. Sold out. Everything sold out in under an hour. Everything. Yeah. 45 minutes.

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I have a letter from your husband and your kids. No one's ever seen this before. Of all things, it's making me emotional. I have full body chills right now.

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Well, and so many entrepreneurs, they don't realize how hard it is until they do it and The world now can see these wins, which is really exciting, but you've been working so hard. You've been working so hard for so long, and all of a sudden, it's all coming. Everything is blossoming right now.

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Yes, yes. I feel it's so funny. In the past, gosh, 15 years, I've had so many people, whether I mentor them or they're mentors of mine and then they're going to start a business in a different way for the first time or they're friends and they are so excited to launch a business. Then they do and they're like... Oh, oh, I had, it never stops.

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When you have your, and everyone listening who has this experience, whether you've launched your own business or you are right now, it never stops. Like you gotta be ready. Like I feel like entrepreneurship and parenting, those two things are like the hardest. You shared in a New York Times interview recently, you said that you need to work and you love to work.

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I remember when IT Cosmetics was in my living room and I had no separate, my whole home felt like an office for so long because we couldn't afford a separate place. And then when we finally could, I was like, okay. Did you like it or did you miss having it at home? No, I don't miss it. I don't miss that part of it because Megan, I had thousands of product samples all over my living room.

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Yeah. You're a hard worker. There are times we get together and I'm like, I just want to have DoorDash come in. And you're like, let's make some. And I'm like, I know, I just want a glass of wine and to hang out. No, but it's like it's in you.

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I was going to ask you that actually because, you know, just to share some kind of fun moments because I really want to take people behind the scenes into this. The first time – so I know you look at all the data. It is impossible to have a true friendship or a true relationship with anybody, a true connection if you don't show it fully authentically. Yes. And I remember –

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She's an American member of the British Whale family, an entrepreneur, author, founder of the lifestyle brand, As Ever, that just sold out of stock completely in the first hour of its recent launch into the world. Congratulations. Her new Netflix show, With Love, Megan, just debuted season one as a top 10 show on Netflix.

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One of the times you're at my house and I've seen all the beautiful stuff you make. And it's just like, it's in you. You just like make these things and, and, and you and I were raised, you and I were raised with TV dinners on a TV tray. Yeah. Right. Like, like, and somehow you just, it's like in you. And I remember you came over.

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I'm like, I'm going to make, I'm going to make Megan a charcuterie tray. Which I just learned that word a few years ago, charcuterie. Anyways, like I'm making a charcuterie. So I put it all together and I looked at it and I remember you came over and I was like – effort. It was an A for effort. And my daughter, who is six, can make one way better than I make. She loves to cook.

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But I just remember just being like, if we're going to have a real friendship, this is who I am. And I remember you just loved it. And then I asked you, I'm like, okay, just so I know, what would you do to make it a little bit more aesthetically pleasing? Aesthetically pleasing.

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And then like I felt like somehow you had this magic wand and in like 10 seconds you go in my pantry, you go in the fridge and you like do these things and I look down at it and I'm like, what in the world? It looks like – all of a sudden like it looks like a cover of a magazine. Like it's just in you. And so two questions. One is – You know, where did that come from?

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But also, probably a year ago now, I remember someone else's kid falling on the playground. Tons of people there. You're the first one to run over there. You don't even think about it. It's like you're over there. You're taking care of that child, like right away. I've seen you do this in multiple places. You know, you speak of strawberries.

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When I was like super stressed out one time, I had in-laws and all these people visiting. You had a very full house. Very full house. And all of a sudden I get word that, you know, all of a sudden you dropped off this gift basket with ice creams, homemade strawberry sauce to put on top of the ice cream just to see if that helps lighten my load.

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It was like as if you're in my shoes feeling what I was feeling without me even needing to tell you anything. And you're doing something that adds value to my life. And when I see the joy, My daughter loves cooking and you all of a sudden – She makes very good charcuterie boards. Oh, my gosh. Yes, she does. Yes, she does.

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And she wants to be a chef when she grows up and you drop off this board that says Chef Wonder on it. So do you feel – because I think also when people watch with Love, Megan – whether they know how to do any of that stuff or not, whether they're learning by watching the show, or I've read a lot of people also just love it because it just helps them feel calm.

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They don't want to watch whatever's going on in the news. They just want to be in that world. Knowing how to do all these things, is it a passion you've studied hard for, or is it just sort of like this innate talent? I think...

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She's also a mom to her two beautiful kids, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, and wife to husband, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex. She's a mama of rescue dogs, and she's also an incredible champion of women and an amazing friend.

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She just recently debuted her brand new podcast called Confessions of a Female Founder, where while Megan builds out a business of her own, she's getting advice and insights from amazing women who have scaled small ideas into successful companies. And guess what? I am so grateful to be one of her guests on her show as well.

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You sharing that. It reminds me of a moment. I remember, you know, yeah, we have a lot of fun in the rocking chairs. Yeah, we have all the things. Yeah. And also I'm thinking about one moment where I was having the worst day and I was so sad. And I remember you canceled a date night, came over, sat in the rocking chairs. And I was like, sorry. I was like crying.

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I had no makeup on my bright red rosacea. And I was like crying. I could just tell you just need – I was like, I don't think we have a date night.

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What you just shared is the most powerful advice. It's like when you have felt unseen or you have felt like maybe you had needs and friendships or this or that, it's like be the friend that you want in your life and you do that. Your close friends and family, so many of them call you M and Harry H. Yes. How did that start? And tell me about that.

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Yeah. And still to this day. Yeah, I like it. We'll all be on a play date or we'll be somewhere. There'll be tons of people there and he'll say M and you'll say H and your friends say M. It just is a thing. It's a thing. And do you both love it? Or it's just natural? Yes, and I like nicknames a lot. I love nicknames. You are such a big proponent of women, of female founders.

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For my birthday, you shared this incredible handbag by this amazing company. You recently wore a Valencia Key bracelet. And holy moly, her business, she shared her business exploded. She had an 11,000% increase in sales recently. Like for a week straight, everything's sold out. I'm so glad. So, you know, there's this thing known as the Megan effect. How does that make you feel?

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Megan and I just had the most incredible conversation on insights and stories that I've never shared before. From when I was a waitress at Denny's with big dreams but a whole lot of self-doubt to starting IT Cosmetics in my living room. getting hundreds of nos for years. I share the stories behind the stories, some for the first time ever on Megan's brand new podcast.

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Yeah. I never, ever realized that, that during seasons where maybe you felt like you couldn't use your voice, that was a way to use your voice.

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I know you were raised in California and you've now lived in a few different parts of California. What are your favorite parts of California?

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It's so funny. My best friend, Jackie, and you are both the best hikers.

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I thought so. I've gone hiking with friends and we just, and it's like, yeah, exactly. It's like around. We go and I'm like, I have my to-go coffee. And, you know, my rosacea is red right now with no makeup on. But by the time you and I got to the top, I was like, okay.

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Our episode comes out tomorrow. So make sure you listen and share it with everyone you know who it could help inspire, whether it's to keep going in their business or in their dreams. So we're going to link to that episode of her podcast in our show notes as well. Hi, and welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. And if we're just meeting for the first time, hi, I'm Jamie. Welcome.

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You were so patient. And then I feel – it's so funny. It reminded me of my best friend Jackie of 25 years. I was a waitress at Denny's. She was a waitress across the street at a steakhouse. And she's like, you will go hiking. And she could do it twice. in the time I do it once. And she's not even sweating. And I'm like drenched in sweat. You're glistening. You're just glistening. I'm glistening.

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I'm glowing. She's all blown up. You know what I want to do? I want to go to Denny's with you and show you my favorite things that I ate.

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All of it. And I'll drizzle fancy syrup on the pancakes for you. I will do that. You have so many amazing big wins right now, things you've been working so hard on. And your husband just shared publicly for the first time. He said, I'm so happy for my wife and fully support absolutely everything she's done and continues to do. When did he say that? This week. It's everywhere in the press.

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Yeah, it's beautiful. But how does it... Okay, so you don't know this. Okay, so you're hearing this for the first time. That's sweet. I love that you're hearing this for the first time. He says, I'm so happy for my wife and fully supportive and support absolutely everything she's done and continues to do. How does that make you feel? Oh, he's such a great partner.

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You have a letter from him? I have a letter from your husband and your kids. It's actually from them.

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Via him. No one's ever seen this before. Okay. And I would love to share it with you. And if you feel comfortable.

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So it was kind of fun reading that to you about just how much he supports you and how proud he is with everything he's doing with Invictus Games and all the projects he's so passionate about. What are the best ways that you support him that he needs with all of those?

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Nice. You and I in the rocking chairs have talked a lot about mother figures in our lives and our mothers and family. When Lily grows up, What are your hopes that she would share and say about her mother?

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That is so beautiful. You should do it for the kids. Yeah. I'm having these like aha moments right now thinking about doing that and also about how many people are going to start doing that. Yeah. Start doing that because that's so beautiful. And I think about like the closest person to me in my entire life is my mom who adopted me.

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And when she passed away, like the things she said to me toward the end when she was basically like, whatever you do in life, don't change. It would be so sad if you change. And I'm like – I thought she was always going to say to me like – You can do anything and you can, you know, and she's like, you know, basically what she is saying is who you are is enough.

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Like I felt like seen and loved and I'm thinking about your sweet kids when they get that email and they just read it and that's there forever. Like that is the most beautiful. It's time capsule. All the things.

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I'm so happy that you're here today for such an exciting conversation that I promise you is going to fill your soul today. And I want to share this concept with you of rocking chair friends. I've been obsessed with this idea. So right now, if you take a moment and imagine yourself at 90 years old, sitting perhaps outside on a patio in your living room or on the front porch in a rocking chair.

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I'm not sure. I was just going to say that applies to every adult. That applies to me right now, all of us. Yeah. Yeah, yet. I don't know what I'm doing yet. Yet. Yet. My business hasn't gotten traction yet. No one's picked up my book proposal yet. Yes. I haven't found my soulmate yet. Everything is yet. The power of yet. The power of yet. I get so many questions about self-worth.

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Like, when am I going to finally feel worthy? And it's like, yet. You know, when you talk about self-esteem and all the things that we try so hard to pour into our kids, you know, and you look at the data right now, 80% of women don't believe they're enough. Like you look at all of the data or feel unworthy. And it's such a journey.

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I've gone through such a journey in my own life of like for the longest time I thought, oh, I just have to accomplish it more. I have to do more and win this and do that and do the thing. Then I'll feel enough. Yeah. For you in your life, have you ever felt unworthy? Oh my gosh, of course. Yes. Yeah. Yes. That's where the yet comes in. The yet. Right? And what about now?

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Hallelujah. I am getting emotional right now because the number of girls and women who are going to watch this, who are going to just take those words that when you text that to me one day, we're talking about something and you wrote all that about not being in the prove it game anymore. And I'm just like, this is crazy.

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so profound and it's so simple but so profound and so true and I feel like when every one of us like actually just sees it from that perspective like I know I'm a good person I know I'm a great friend I know you know all the things you know you did your best I did my best I did my I'm doing my best as a mom yeah I don't I getting out of the prove-it game I

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All of the above. That's so beautiful and so powerful. And I just, I'm thinking about every person listening or watching right now who's going to rewind that part of the show and watch it over and over and over and, like, let it take root. Because it's a tool that you can lean on. Because how much time, I think about my own life, how much time I've wasted in the prove-it game. Like...

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I want to make everyone happy or I want to make sure that they know, like, you know, all the things. And it's like that. Yeah, that's so beautiful. And that's going to matter so much to so many people. I probably texted that to you while I was typing to my kids. Probably. Can you please start an email account for me and daily? Like, because you don't have enough going on with all of your...

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Where your time left is so precious. Who all would you want to spend it with? Who would you want to be chatting with in the rocking chairs next to you? Especially when it comes to friends. Are the friends in your life right now real, true friends? Are they rocking chair worthy friends? Today is an episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show, unlike any episode we have ever done.

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With all of your stuff. Yeah. I love so much what you and Gwyneth Paltrow did recently. Oh, how funny. Because out there, they love to pit women against each other or compete or this or that. We need to pause for a super brief break. And while we do, take a moment to share this episode with every single person that you know who this could inspire.

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Because this conversation can truly be the words and inspiration they need to hear today to keep going, to remember that they matter and to feel less alone and more enough, more connected and more worthy. Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious. and so is self-belief.

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And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you, delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me.

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If you haven't signed up to make sure that you get it each week, just go to jamiekernlima.com to make sure you're on the list and you'll get your one-on-one with Jamie weekly newsletter and get ready to believe in you. If you're tired of hearing the bad news every single day and need some inspiration, Some tips, tools, joy, and love hitting your inbox. I'm your girl.

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Subscribe at jamiekernlima.com or in the link in the show notes. Do you struggle with negative self-talk? Living with a constant mental narrative that you're not good enough is exhausting. I know because I spent most of my life in that habit. The words you say to yourself about yourself are so powerful. And when you learn to take control over your self-talk, it's life-changing.

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And I wanted to give you a free resource that I created for you if this is something that could benefit your life. It's called Five Ways to Overcome Negative Self-Talk and Build Self-Love. And it's a free how-to guide to overcome that negative self-talk to build confidence and develop unshakable self-love so that you can dream big and keep going in the pursuit of your goals.

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Don't let self-sabotaging thoughts hinder your progress any longer. It's time to rewrite the script of your life when filled with self-love, resilience, and unwavering belief.

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If you're ready to take charge of your narrative, build unwavering confidence and empower yourself to persevere on the path to your dreams, you can grab your free guide to stop overthinking and learn to trust yourself at jamiekernlima.com slash resources or click the link in the show notes below. And now more of this incredible conversation together.

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I love so much what you and Gwyneth Paltrow did recently. Oh, how funny. Because out there, they love to pit women against each other or compete or this or that. And, you know, we've all seen it. We've all had experience of like that in our own life. And I know that you don't really see almost any of the press, but this thing had been going on.

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See, one of my favorite spots at my house is my two rocking chairs. They're my favorite place to sit and pray or rest or connect with my closest friends. And over the past year, I have spent countless moments in these chairs with Megan.

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And also because that's who you are. Yeah. You're like, you know what I mean? And, and, and, and I loved it.

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I love that you did it. Yeah. This is so fun because all the things people know about, we now get to like hear them in your words. So Harry said publicly so much of what Megan is and how she is is so similar to my mom. She has the same compassion. She has the same empathy. She has the same confidence. She has this warmth about her. How do you feel about him sharing that? It's beautiful.

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I wish I could have met her. I'm feeling viscerally so happy because I feel like people are, I feel like they're really here with us in the rocking chair. You know, there's stuff about you. I had no idea. Like, and I think I know a lot. Yeah. And I had no idea.

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Thank you for letting me be. That's like the best thing a friend could ever say to me.

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sharing our day, talking about our kids, our goals, our dreams, envisioning the future of our projects and companies, and also talking about hardships, failures, pain. We've shared ups and downs and laughter and tears. Usually when we're together, we're in our cozy sweats and no makeup. So that's how we are today too, sitting right here in our cozies with no makeup.

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You made me cry. Good thing I have no makeup on. You look so pretty. Oh my gosh. I don't even. Okay. So I have not like done a show in no makeup since my thousand QVC shows. Do you think I have?

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you're talking about you look exactly the same though you look exactly the same uh so okay these are some of the hot questions um that everyone wants to know oh okay um do you watch the royal shows on tv like the crown or bridgerton or any of them

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So much talk about, about your name. And for me, I'm like, gosh, a lot of families, like when they have to pick up their kids from drop-off or have medical records, or I have a lot of friends that don't even still have that name, but they've kept that name because it's important for all the other reasons. Continuity. Megan Sussex.

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Yeah. And so do you use Markle anymore? No, not since I got married. Not since you got married. Yeah. Good to know. This is what everyone wants to know. Okay. What's your morning routine look like?

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Would you ever write – Twice. Twice. Would you ever write another book?

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Can you give us one hint on something exciting coming up for As Ever?

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Jam drops. I have had your jam in my refrigerator all year. No one knows. No one's seen it. I have not posted it. I have so much. And I just like all of it. Anything you drop is so good. I'm going to speak on behalf of other girls, women, men, et cetera, who are like me, who try to make a charcuterie board or do something and you're like looking at it.

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And you're like, you, what I love is you, you're doing the work for us. You're doing the work for us. With As Ever? With As Ever. With As Ever and with your show, but with your products. And I'm telling you, when I built It Cosmetics, that was one thing I was really good at. Like, because I don't like to do makeup. Like, you see my rosacea, nothing ever worked.

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And I'm inviting you into the rocking chairs with us. Right now, I'm imagining you in a third chair right here with us because when we come together and open our hearts to each other and let love in to share all the real things as they really are, it helps us all feel less alone and more enough. more inspired, more connected and more alive.

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I knew if it worked for me, it's going to do the work for someone who does not want to learn how to do makeup. One of the things I love most about as ever, my daughter, who's six, just made cookies with flour sprinkles. Like, we look like we know what we're doing. You do. I mean, we could open a bakery. You could. And it's because you're doing the work for customers in your products. That is huge.

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The cookies, it was add butter. I'm like, Oh, I've got this. Just add butter. I've got this. I want to read this quote in closing. It's a very famous quote and I want to read it and I'm going to try not to get emotional because as your friend, as another woman, as a person who's had the gift of seeing others

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glimpses inside of what you carry and deal with every day, like I'm so freaking proud of you. And I just hope, I don't want to get emotional.

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I hope every girl and woman who's going to listen to this and watch this, who maybe is tempted to sit on the outside and think they don't have what it takes or they can't face the battle that might come with them putting their idea out there or their heart out there. Or their friendship out there and saying, do you want to be friends?

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Or their book out there or their story or who they are on social media. They're scared of everything that comes with it. And so, you know, Brene Brown wrote this beautiful book called Daring Greatly. There's this really beautiful quote by Theodore Roosevelt. Oh, inside the arena. Man in the arena. And I want to read this with a slightly like paraphrased version because

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One of the things amongst many that I love so much about you is you're in the freaking arena. You are. You're in the arena. And so many girls and women, I have women in my family, multiple generations, who sit back and they're like, gosh, I wish I would have. I wish I could have. I wish I put my idea out there. I wish I told that person I forgive them or I wish I went for it.

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Raise your hand. And I remember for me, it was like six the first time I knew the answer and I didn't raise my hand in class. And so many of us have moments like that. And then now we're grownups and we're on Zoom and we have an idea, but we don't share it just in case. And I just, you are a living, breathing example. Of going for it.

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You're putting yourself out there and anybody Living or breathing right now who puts any part of themselves out there. It it doesn't matter what it is It comes with critics. It comes with opposition.

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It comes with failure It comes I think about the number of times I failed in growing at cosmetics or the nose that I got or The times where it would have been so much easier to give up millions of times it would have been so much easier to give up and you are in the arena

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So I want to close on this because I just know there's somebody listening to you and me right now, watching us right now, who needs this in their life. And we've never talked about this quote. I love this quote. When you said it, I was like, Irina. We never talked about it. And I was literally praying before this interview today, and this is what kept coming to me.

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And I think that all of us together collectively... in our own lives can almost like lean into this quote. So this is by Theodore Roosevelt. It's not the critic who counts, nor the man who points out how the strong woman stumbles, I'm gonna paraphrase here, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the woman, to the woman who's actually in the arena.

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And it reminds us that each of us is fully worthy, fully enough and deserving of love and belonging exactly and authentically as we are. So in the studio today, I have my favorite rocking chairs for the first time ever. You are invited, come as you are, cozy up, lean in and get ready. This is the worldwide premiere of Megan, Duchess of Sussex, in her first ever podcast interview.

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whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs, who comes up short again and again because there's no effort without error and shortcoming, but who does actually strive to do the deeds, who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends herself in a worthy cause, who at the best time

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knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if she fails, at least fails while daring greatly. That is you, my friend. I love you. Thank you for trusting me with your first ever podcast and with your friendship and with, yeah. It means a lot to me. Yeah. I love you. I have something for you. Oh, gosh. You're the one always giving gifts. Why am I so emotional?

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It's the energy of rocking chair friends. Remember, this episode's not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person that you know because it can impact and change their life too. And if you loved today's episode, please click the follow or subscribe button for the show on your app you're listening to it on or watching it on.

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And if it added value to your life, if you could please give it a rating or review, I'd be so grateful. And again, please share it with everyone you believe in. Share it with another person in your life who can benefit from it. Please post this episode and share it with others online or in your community. who just might need the words and tools and lessons in this episode today.

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You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. And before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world.

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And it is an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are. and heal where you need, blossom what you choose, journey towards your calling, and stay as long as you like because you belong here. You are worthy. You are loved. You are love. I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Oh my gosh, you know that journey to believe you're actually worthy of something? Oprah, how have you defied the odds?

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Hi, I'm Jamie Kern Lima, and I went from struggling waitress facing nonstop rejection to building a billion dollar company from my living room. And it's not because I'm smarter than anyone else. I didn't have the right connections, but I figured out how to believe in myself and how to believe my dreams are possible and believe that I'm worthy of them.

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And she's doing it with you and me today right here on the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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They don't really rock that much. Well, we're professionals. We're professional rockers.

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It's such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.

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Jamie Kern Lima. I am so excited to say to my amazing friend, Megan, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima show. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I'm so happy you're here. We did it. We did it. This is, I've never done this on my show before. We brought the rocking chairs in. I get so many messages where people are like,

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Hallelujah. I am getting emotional right now. Getting out of the prove-it game, like, feels like joy, tastes like freedom. Megan, Duchess of Sussex, in her first ever podcast interview.

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alone or like how do you make friends as an adult or how do I feel more worthy or any of those things and I feel like one of the ways is through friendship a great friendship you and I have been you and I have had so many amazing days and moments sitting in these two rocking chairs in my house just talking about all the things and for hours for hours

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Yeah. Yeah. So lasting. And so just multi-layered. And I think trust is such a big deal. And this is your first ever podcast interview. Thank you for trusting. Isn't that wild? It's wild. Thank you for trusting me to be here. You haven't seen any of the questions ahead of time. And we're in our sweats. And you have your Archie and Lily on your... Yeah, I made that on Etsy last year.

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And you look the exact same with no makeup as makeup. And you still love me even when we get together. If I haven't showered, it's still all the same. And so today is special. And I want to just open up by... Because we've had so many conversations about this where we've talked about how special and important it is for friends to check in on each other and say, are you okay?

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And I think so many women watching and listening, they maybe are the strong one in their family or they're the one that has it all together or they're the one everyone goes to for advice or they're... maybe like crushing it at work and on the outside, everything looks great. And so people just assume they're great. Like they just assume they're great.

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So my very first question, because I think in friendship, it's so important. And I think so many people also have this question for you is, you know, Megan, how are you? And are you okay? That's so kind.

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I know you always make it about me. Today, which by the way, I just have to say, you are the most generous friend. You show up for your friends. Today, I just get to talk about you, which I'm excited about. But how are you doing? There's so much going on. I'm good. I'm good. There's...

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Yes. Enjoy them. I remember one of the... One of the few things I regret about my journey building at Cosmetics is I was just like, oh my gosh, I almost couldn't believe everything happening. And also I was so busy. And when I look back, I'm like, I forgot to have fun and I forgot to celebrate it.

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And this morning I was talking to your husband and I said, this is going to be my goal is this is her favorite interview ever. And he goes, well, my goal is you guys just have fun. You just have fun. Oh, sweet. And I'm like, you're right. You're right. Do you feel like you're able to have fun being so busy right now?

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I have not like done a show with no makeup since my thousand QVC shows. Do you think

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I saw so many photos different people had posted from you at the Broadway show. I saw little girls crying. Oh. Little girls so excited to meet you. So sweet. You and I are great friends. And also for any interview I ever do, I prep like crazy. And one of my favorite parts was just reading so many letters and posts and messages of little girls who are like, oh, wow.

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Like whether it's they're talking about your humble beginnings or talking about their dreams and like through you and through everything you've done, they believe it's possible. I love that. Whether it's to be, you know, have a very different life than the one they were raised in or to launch a business. How do you feel about that? I take it really seriously.

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You know, that's so good. Do you believe you're also divinely protected? And what I mean by that is, you know, in your book, which everyone needs to grab right now, I'll have what she's having because it's so good. One of the things you talk about is, you know, after the Governor Cuomo thing, when then the whole scandal broke about him. And I think it was...

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your sister suggested your mom in heaven intervenes and make sure that, you know, nothing bad happens to you, that you stay on track. Do you believe that you're divinely protected by your mom, by your brother? Do you believe in God? And what's your role and faith in your life right now?

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I always say like you're in alignment with your assignment.

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Yeah. Yeah. I always believe in my life, like, oh my gosh, I've had so many years of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of rejections in building my first business. And I know in the entertainment industry, it's, I mean, that's rejection on steroids. But I've always believed that like rejections, God's protection. And I also think that like,

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And so, yeah, when I get rejected now or something doesn't go my way, like in the past, I'd be like, oh, I'm not enough, or I'd have all those thoughts. Now, I literally, Chelsea, I believe, and I think this is universal, whether someone believes in God or the universe or any of that, I think, I believe God will block our value from people who aren't assigned to our destiny, right?

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Like I believe it. So if there's like a friend and I'm like, oh, why didn't I get invited to the thing? I'm like, oh, I'm not, like I trust it now. I don't feel, I feel like the right people will come into my life. And if somebody doesn't see my value and I really believe like, okay, I've got to trust that it's being blocked for some reason. And I have to trust it's like for a higher good.

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I love that. And I have now saved so much time worrying or trying to, you know.

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He made a poster out of it. Oh, yeah. Did he ever send any photos back? Did he, like, sex back? You were popping edibles to meet former President Bush.

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I want everyone to hear the detail in what you just said, because a lot of people do that and don't even realize they're doing it. You could do it and have a big payoff most of us don't get, which is you make people laugh. You could make people laugh by doing it on top of it.

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And you're that tuned in where when someone says, oh, here's a list of podcasts, you won't even say like, oh, I don't want to do those. You're going to say, oh, here's the ones I want to do. You're tuned into that level of what you're putting out.

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You know what I mean? And it's not the vibe. Yeah, yeah. And then we attract that. We attract whatever energy we're putting out, right? And the people you were saying earlier, you don't have people even in your life anymore that would lower your vibration instantly or anything else, right?

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Do you try to avoid spending time around people who completely don't agree with what you agree with?

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Yeah. I have to say when I first met you and you're like, I just got to drive in my car alone for an hour and a half. I'm like, oh, it was like one thing after another was so positive. Like you're emitting that high vibration about whatever the circumstances, which is such a beautiful thing to witness.

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I am so excited you're here for this incredible part two episode with award-winning super talent Chelsea Handler, who opens up in ways she's never opened up before and shares things she's never shared before, including real, raw, and honest ways to live your best life now.

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Okay. I want to ask you, speaking of sunshine, I want to ask you, you're close friends with the Bush twins. And I just did a Hoda and Jenna's show and Jenna's so great. So I just met her. She's so lovely. She's so sweet. I want to ask you about the time when you were popping edibles to meet former president Bush. Yeah. There's so much more coming up in this episode.

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And I just did a Hoda and Jenna's show and Jenna's so great. So I just met her. She's so lovely. She's so sweet. I want to ask you about the time when you were popping edibles to meet former President Bush and were worried about it because you disagree so much.

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try to avoid spending time around people who completely don't agree with what you agree with, who like feel completely different? Or do you feel like that's changing in your life?

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I knew this. I knew this. You thought the earth and the sun were the same thing. And what age were you?

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The sun and the moon, yes. Amazing. Well, so speaking of things you're passionate about, you said that you believe that Roe v. Wade being overturned was a result of the Me Too movement.

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When you mentioned the idea that reversing Roe v. Wade as a result of Me Too. Do you think there's been such a... And you talk about a few stories in your book about this, where the guy that... You didn't pay the parking meter. And the guy's like, you didn't pay the parking meter. And...

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It's a fascinating story because he's clueless that I think maybe he's not, but that you don't need his assistance or his protection in that moment. And I feel like we're in this interesting spot. I was at an event recently that I spoke at. There was 19,000 people in the stadium.

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And the person who was speaking before me was talking about, you know, raise your hand if you have felt unsafe in the past week. And maybe like 10 men raised their hand in the stadium. It was like 50-50 men, women. And he said, raise your hand if you're a woman and you felt unsafe in the past week. And 95% of the stadium raised their hand. And what it was was like, okay,

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you know, if women are walking down the street at night, they're always looking over their shoulder, making sure they're safe, or they have their keys or their pepper spray, or it's, you know.

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And what I wonder about, Chelsea, I'm so curious about your opinion on this, is that we're in this time where so many men have been raised to go, well, if I'm gonna be a good man, I have to protect and take care of You know, in that example, the 95% of women that raise their hand because they often feel unsafe walking down the street.

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But then we're also in this time where women are stepping into their power and actually processing that Oftentimes in boardrooms, they're not even allowed to speak or their opinion isn't taken seriously. So we're at this sort of like thing where not dissimilar in a way from Me Too, where you have men then going, what do I do? What do I do? What's my value? What's my value?

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And also like, am I totally damned if I do and damned if I don't? Am I not a good person if I don't try and protect this woman in whatever case, whether it's paying a parking meter or whatever it is? Or am I... Am I saying she can't handle things herself if I try to step in and help her? So I feel like it's this interesting spot. And I just wonder your thoughts on if because we're in that

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you know, where so many women are realizing for the first time they're worthy of being on their own. They don't need a man to do what they want to do in life, whether it's to have a child or anything else or a career or neither or any of it. And I just wonder if part of that also you see someone who is so extreme in the other direction.

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So I wonder if there's, yeah, what are your thoughts on that? Because you have this story that is so empowering, right? Where you're like, I don't need you to help to tell me I need to pay the parking meter.

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I have to say, when I first met you, it was like one thing after another was so positive. Like you're emitting that high vibration about whatever the circumstances, which is such a beautiful thing to witness.

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Yeah. You know, I was thinking about a lot is women like Gloria Steinem. Yeah. And people who have accomplished so much and done so much and spent their entire life advocating. And I was curious what you would say about, because you've spent a lot of your time and energy also, you know, advocating. And so, which is... one of the most admirable things that you can do.

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And so to hear you say, you know, we need to come together now more than ever. We need to rise higher together. We need to not back down. We need to not like dim our light and hide or think that our candle is blown out or any of this stuff. A lot of people I think are looking for hope right now.

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You once said, I don't know if you're joking or not, but, uh, uh, about this idea of men going extinct. Do you think that that is something that will ever happen?

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Speaking of penises, in your book, one of my favorite parts of many favorite parts, but one of my favorite parts was not only, you know, as I keep sharing that you just, I just... closed the last page, I read it cover to cover. I couldn't stop reading it, which is rare for me. Usually I have to kind of power through. Oh, it's so good, Chelsea. And I closed it.

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And not only, of course, did I feel more courageous, I felt injected in all kinds of things. But I love living vicariously through some of the stuff you've done. And for anyone out there who's like,

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you know, has wanted to do stuff, but you haven't, you almost kind of get to live through things through some of the stories that you share, which I love from, you know, going to Whistler and sleeping with your ski instructors to all the different things. But one of the things you talk about was, was about a story about your ex Ted and having threesomes.

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And, and so I'm curious, have you had a lot of threesomes in your life? And also, Also, what about foursomes or fivesomes?

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This conversation is so good that we have one more part to come. That's right, part three with Chelsea Handler. And we are saving the best for last. If you are ready to truly live more, laugh more, and love more,

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Speaking of penises, in your book, one of my favorite parts of many favorite parts... Oh, it's so good, Chelsea.

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When you think about the idea of success leaves clues, when you think about why so many people are not just fans of your work, but are fans of you. I believe, tell me if you agree with this. I believe that in addition to obviously your talent, in addition to all that, you're one of, and I'm going to say the few people who are willing to just fully be who they are.

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Like whether it comes to judgment or anything else, like you, you share everything. You say, I sleep with my ski instructor. And you say, I did LSD today. And you say, like, you're fully who you are. And I think that allows people to connect with you. Do you think that's true? Yeah.

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In your book, you say drugs are for me. They are. Can you share?

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I love the story in your book about the couple in their 70s. I'm not even going to give it away because everyone needs to get the book. It is not only so funny and so charming, just, I know you're obsessed with words and I mean, it's just so well written, but you just take so much out of it.

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I know I shared earlier, I felt like I closed the book and I had borrowed so much of your courage to feel more bold. There's just so much that you get out of the book. One thing that you shared in it that I wanted to ask you about. You professed your interest in having sex with then New York City Governor Andrew Cuomo.

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And he had heard about this and you guys ended up on a phone call and then sexting. And then he like disappeared after that, like ghosted. Ghosted me. When you were on the phone with him or texting him, How did he respond?

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Do you believe in God? You said that you believe that Roe v. Wade being overturned was a result of the Me Too movement. Yeah. You professed your interest in having sex with then New York City Governor Andrew Cuomo, and you guys ended up on a phone call and then sexting.

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Like when you look at the data, 75% of female executives deal with imposter syndrome. Michelle Obama's come out and talked about how she still feels it to this day, right now. And it's a really big topic. And can you share, you know, for you, Because I think it's so easy. And just speaking from my own experience, it's so easy for people on the outside to be like, oh, you've created this business.

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You must be so this or that or whatever. But I still deal with it. you know, needing to focus on believing I'm worthy almost every day. Like I feel like it's a lifelong journey. And so for you, you know, right now, as you sit here, you've had so many, you've done so much beautiful work on yourself as well that you share in the next day, which I think is so beautiful.

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Cause a lot of times when people are doing that, they may be hide it or they think it's just them. And I love how open you are, but right now, do you feel imposter syndrome in your life anymore? Yeah.

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We need to pause for a super brief break, and while we do, take a moment and share this episode with every single person that you know, maybe they're going through a transition in their life in some way, who this episode could inspire. Because this conversation can truly not just impact our lives, but theirs too. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams.

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You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. For you, you know, right now, as you sit here, you've had so many, you've done so much beautiful work on yourself as well that you share in the next day, which I think is so beautiful because a lot of times when people are doing that, they may be hide it or they think it's just them.

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How, for everyone wanting that feeling right now, how does it feel to be like, If I, if you don't like me, I'm not your cup of tea. That's okay. And just the, like, I'm imagining it's freeing.

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Yeah. I found that sometimes those labels too, they don't really change you. They just change everyone else. Like how they might think of their perception of someone who maybe has that or whatever.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so interesting. I remember, um, I remember when, uh, when I'd sold my business and nobody knew how we were doing, but L'Oreal is a public company. And so it was everywhere, the purchase price, everything. And the first thing I ever experienced was a lot of my friends and family who I love, they just now assumed I was busy all the time. Oh, and I'm like, No, I'm the same.

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I've always been busy, but I'm the same. I'm the same. And then something big would happen, and I wouldn't hear from them. And I'd be like, oh, we're assuming you're busy. And I'm like, huh? And I realized, oh, it's that I was raised really humble and have the most amazing, hardworking, multiple families. But what I realized is like, oh, yeah, we all kind of see things as we are.

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And then it's and then that can almost create a disconnection in a way. And so that's so beautiful what you just shared, because it's like asking ourselves, well, wait a minute. Am I seeing things through my own perception or is that person really any different than I am? We all have the same feelings. We all have, you know.

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One of the things that I think is so universal that you share in the next day that I didn't know, you say that during your first pregnancy that you gained 79 pounds and that you had this feeling of freedom the moment you saw the positive pregnancy test and the freedom of the pressure that you had sort of always previously been putting on yourself.

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Melinda French Gates, named by Forbes as one of the most powerful women in the world, is here today, and she is revealing all life-changing lessons on how to hear your own inner voice.

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Yeah, yeah. And you talk about just, I think I was just surprised because I'd never heard you share that part of your life. I love learning that you've always been such a goal setter, all the things growing up, and always ambitious. And when you shared in the next day so vulnerably about that, I mean, you look at the data, and it's almost every single one of us

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has different body image issues or struggles. And so when you talk about that freedom, had you always been putting pressure on yourself from a certain age? Or when do you remember caring about if your body was a certain size?

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I am so excited for you, for me, for women everywhere right now, because this conversation is just that incredible. I'm literally jumping out of my chair right now. coming up in this incredible episode.

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I was just going to say, it's like when you look at all the data, especially someone being as passionate about, um, girls and women, which I'm so passionate about girls and women. I think about my own journey with this stuff. And

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You look at some of the studies Dove has done or other studies that have come out and they show like 91% of girls and women, they'll literally opt out of meaningful activities, whether it's going out with loved ones or seeing friends or doing something social if they don't like how they look. And when I think back in my life, I'm like,

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then the amount of time, because you were just saying how much frees up the amount of time, Melinda, when I look back at my life and I think about the times I didn't go to the thing or I didn't put on the swimsuit or I didn't do whatever, or I wasted so much time, like trying to find something that fit or being on the diet of the moment.

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I'm like the amount of time that could have been spent on things that actually matter and actually make a difference. And I feel like,

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this idea of almost like when we all think about it like what is that doubt around whatever or the time we've spent or the whatever what does that already cost us it's pretty wild and so um and so yeah I'm kind of similar to you now where I'm like I feel so free now where I do not care I mean I try to be healthy all the things but like this morning in these white jeans I was like I see my cellulite and I already know in my soul Melinda's not gonna care I

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And I was like, I'm showing up all of me because my prayers. Melinda shows up all of her. It's going to be great. And it just feels free.

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Yeah. Yeah. This conversation is so incredible. We made it into more than one part. So if you're ready to ignite your courage to make a transition in your life and find yourself again, you are not going to want to miss the incredible part two of this conversation with Melinda French Gates coming up in the next episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show. Remember, this episode's not just for you and me.

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Before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it is an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of The Jamie Kern Lima Show.

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Here, I hope you'll come as you are, heal where you need, blossom what you choose, journey toward your calling, and stay as long as you'd like because you belong here. You are worthy, you are loved, you are love, I love you. And I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Do you struggle with negative self-talk?

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Melinda French Gates is a philanthropist, businesswoman, and global advocate for women and girls. She's the founder of Pivotal Ventures, focused on accelerating social progress by removing barriers that hold people back. She also co-founded the Gates Foundation alongside her former husband, Bill Gates. Melinda's brand new book, The Next Day, Transitions, Change, and Moving Forward is out now.

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Subscribe at jamiekernlima.com or in the link in the show notes. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You.

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If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you. In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome.

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Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more. Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below.

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Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy. It's such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.

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Make sure you pick up your copy right now. It is so good. And in the book, Melinda reflects for the first time on the most significant transitions in her life, from becoming a parent, she's now a mom of three, to the death of a dear friend, to departing the Gates Foundation, to deciding to end her marriage, something over half of us have gone through.

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Yeah. Everyone's praying. It's going to be good. The amount of time that could have been spent on things that actually matter. this morning in these white jeans, I was like, I see my cellulite, and I already know in my soul Melinda's not gonna care.

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It is such an honor to say, Melinda French Gates, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Thanks for having me, Jamie. It's fun we can do this. I am so excited you're here. And I have to just say, right out of the gate, I've read your book, Cover to Cover. Thank you. I am so grateful I got to read it early. It is so inspiring. So many of us, we go through transitions, whether we want to or not.

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A lot of us are scared of them. But when I read your book, I got full body chills. And also thinking of this conversation today, because I think whether it's through reading the book the next day, which is out right now, everyone go grab your copy, or even through this conversation, I think what I'm so excited about is I just know how many women

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are going to read your book or hear this conversation and decide to believe that they're worthy of trusting themselves, of listening to their own voice, of even kind of considering, like, huh, have I lost myself? Who am I?

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My first question is really for every girl and every woman, because you have and you continue to play so many different roles, whether it's mom or wife or sister or daughter or boss or world changer. In the next day, you talk about starting to lose yourself and your voice. My first question, this really on behalf of everyone, because we can all relate to this.

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We've all gone through this in our own way, shape, or form. We all play, you know, often so many roles that we're like, wait a minute. Who am I? And so how did you find yourself again? And how did you choose yourself?

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Did you identify a part in them where maybe they weren't able to use their voice? Was there any part of you that had stopped using your voice in some way? For sure.

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um use their voice in the world and to stand up for a bully on the to a bully on the playground and help somebody else if i'm saying that to them i realized i needed to be role modeling it too that's so powerful do you feel um when i was reading the next day one of the big takeaways i think so many women are like how do i trust my voice how do i hear my voice how do i use my voice am i worthy of using it and when you talk about um

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you know, the idea of something bigger than yourself, right? In order to just really kind of focus on that. Because so many women go, how do I get unstuck? Like, I don't, you know, I don't know if I'm worthy of it. And you talk about, you know, this passion of being a voice to so many people who don't have one. And also another bigger why is your kids, right?

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It's so funny that it's easy for us to tell them all the things. I have two little ones. I have a six-year-old and a four-year-old. And it's easy for me to tell them all the things. And they go, well, wait a minute. Are they seeing me?

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When you turn that question back on yourself, the answer isn't always pretty, is it? Yeah, yeah. And it's so much almost more powerful for them to see that. Because whether it's like, you can go after your dreams, you can be anything. But then if we're not believing we're worthy of going after our dreams or using our voice, they're going to see that.

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And, you know, you just mentioned going to an all-girls school growing up. So I was going to ask you that because there is going to be, Melinda, and what I'm so excited about right now is the number of DMs, messages that are going to come in. And so many people ask me about this topic, which is why when I read the next day, I was so passionate about this because it's this...

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I feel like this universal thing where maybe for the first time or the first time in a long time, women are starting to go, wait a minute, how do I raise my hand? How do I say I want to be in that room or I'm worthy of writing a book or I'm worthy of launching my own company, wearing a CEO title, any of it. When you made this transition,

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from an all girls school where everyone raised their hand and, you know, you were called on and everything's great. And all of a sudden you're at Duke, you're at Duke university. And it's like, like all colleges just about, it's a free for all. Everyone's just speaking up, throwing out how, because so many women are going to be making this transition now in their own way.

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They're going to, they're going to go to work tomorrow and be like, I'm freaking speaking up on the zoom. I'm going to share my idea. Finally, even if If it's not a hit, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. How did you learn to go from that certainty of, oh, I'm going to raise my hand and be called on. Everything's great to, oh, I've got to speak up if I'm going to get a word in.

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Like it becomes your comfort zone. Like, oh, I'm feeling doubt again. I'm going to actually lean forward. Totally. Instead of leaning back. That is so good. Totally. That is so good.

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ah, do I know anybody, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, if we're ever in the same ballroom, I'm very happy to hide in the bathroom with you.

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I'm really good at that. We have a mutual friend, I won't say who, and she does that too, and people would never guess because some of us, we can, you know, we're different in different social environments, you know, and some people really like that. like small talk at cocktail, they thrive on it. And, and some people don't. Okay.

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So talking about that, uh, I'm so grateful and I'm just going to say this again in reading, in reading the next day, it is, it is such a beautiful book because I feel like the through line of humanity, the through line of being a woman, the through line of all the transitions we go through. Um, I feel your heart in it. Like you're open, you're really open in the book and you weave that through.

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And just now for you to share, you know, if you might walk in a ballroom, and there's 300 people, and you might feel doubt. Do I know anyone? So you sort of lean in and use that tool, which, by the way, I love that tool. I think so many people are going to now use that tool. Like, OK, I'm feeling doubt. Let me lean in. you know, this idea of imposter syndrome has been such a big thing.

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I have a letter. He's also a fox, if you haven't noticed. My husband's very, very handsome.

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It's not about the grandeur of a gesture. It's about I see you. I'm nurturing you and I see you so deeply and I love being able to see your growth. Of all things, it's making me emotional. I have full body chills right now. for them to be able to look back and go, oh my gosh, she has loved us so much.

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But to the world, it's just, what has she been doing? Does she work? As opposed to, oh my gosh, I work so hard. Do you? I appreciate what hard work looks like. I like working hard. And I'm still working hard, right? The moment that everything sells out, it doesn't mean that we're done. Yeah.

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it means we're working on replenishment and what are the next skews and what's the next tranche of products and what's the timing on that and writing the newsletters and writing the social media captions and making sure that all that peels in line and what's the cadence of it and what's the photography that we want to do and what do I want to wear for those shoots while also editing all the time coding notes for season two with Love Megan and then editing edits for the podcast and making...

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And being a mom and a wife and a friend. That's right. Those are all jobs. I mean, I love being that busy, but I do think it's really interesting when people have no sense of what goes into the thing. Yeah.

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Probably at the beginning of us dating when everything was in code. Code, yeah. People didn't know we were dating before. She's the problem. Talk about memory lane. So long ago. I mean, it'll be our seven-year wedding anniversary soon. I couldn't tell anyone who I was dating and who I was keeping. So I think we were just on a letter basis. Yeah. And then it stuck. It stuck. It stuck.

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Are you hiding behind happy? Do you feel like you always have to lift everyone else up or people please, or should only be seen when you're happy? If this is you, you're not alone. Studies show 40% of us frequently suppress our negative emotions, all to put on a happy face for everyone else.

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I can't emphasize enough that our happy moments, our joy and that and the other videos that Stephen posted toward the end of his life were genuine. Stephen was navigating a complex emotional landscape. He fluctuated between genuine happiness and profound sadness, flipping between the two as if his brain were a dimmer switch. Yes. Yes.

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And today, with the hope of helping others see the warning signs with their loved ones, or perhaps seek help for themselves, Allison is sharing lessons, insights, and revelations she's had, including the heartbreaking realization that she says her husband Stephen's infectious joy was hiding pain, secrets, and self-doubt deeper than anyone knew.

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Well, you say no one, not his coworkers, his family members, his friends, who he considered brothers, had any idea of the depth of his despair. And you say Stephen was the one that others reached out to when they were actually going through mental health challenges. Yes.

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You say that you both embodied toxic positivity. Yes. Both of you. Can you share a little about that?

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In her brand new book called This Far, My Story of Love, Loss, and Embracing the Light, Allison is sharing her story for the first time ever and says she's donating 100% of the proceeds from her book to the Move With Kindness Foundation. Coming up in this episode... We were both talking about having another baby. And three weeks later, what you call the incomprehensible happened.

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I mean, so many of us, we believe this lie, like I should only be seen when I'm happy. Or people only love me when I have it all together. And so many people right now listening to us, watching us, are that way. It's so ingrained in so many of us to do that.

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I want to ask you about, you share in your book that after the Ellen show ended that Stephen had more jobs, more job offers than ever, but he started turning them down. He wasn't excited about the ones that he did do and he started getting sterner with the kids, started drinking and not taking care of his hygiene.

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Steven took his own life.

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You said once that you walked into a room or walked by a room. He was reading a book. And you and maybe some other people in your house walked past a while later. And you're still reading. But you noticed it was the same page. Same page.

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Yeah. You say in the book, like me, Steven never wanted to burden people. My best guess is that he felt he should be happy. And the fact that he wasn't, made him feel infinitely worse, as though he didn't deserve to live if he couldn't revel in his blessings. The only way I can explain it is that Twitch and Steven were locked in mortal combat. One became the murderer and the other the victim.

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You say Steven embarked on an ayahuasca journey, which is a plant medicine journey, and you say that he wasn't the same afterwards. Yeah.

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And accept it. And that's enough. Which is such a lesson for every person because how many of us get a compliment? We're like, oh, that was on Sailor. Oh, no, no, my hair's a mess. Oh, no, no. Like a lot of us have a hard time receiving love or we'll give it right back. I do that all the time. We give it right back.

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And you're saying he was so good at just giving it all back, but he didn't keep any for himself when people would pour it into him.

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy.

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How to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome, achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them, and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Imagine, what would you do if you fully believed in you? My weekly free inspirational newsletter is packed with tips and tools to help you find out. It's called One-on-One with Jamie and it's delivered right to your inbox each Tuesday morning. It's a love letter from me to you, from my soul to yours. And I hope it brings you the words and messages you need at just the right moment.

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Plus, when you're a part of my free inspirational newsletter community, you'll be the first to get behind the scenes content, inspirational messages, and be the first to learn about upcoming events and more. It's the place to be, and I sure hope you'll join me there. So if you're not on the list yet, You can sign up for free at jamiekernlima.com or click the link in the show notes below.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. You say on a trip to Maui that he might have been telegraphing in the most incredible conversation about life after death where he was suggesting a multiplicity of universes or if we cross through time zones. What do you make of that?

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But doing that, experts say, can take a severe toll on mental and physical health and well-being without us even realizing it. Today's guest, Allison Holker, says she and late husband Steven Twitchboss know this all too well. And today on this episode of The Jamie Kern-Lima Show, Allison is sharing parts of her story she's never shared before.

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You say Stephen embarked on an ayahuasca journey, which is a plant medicine journey. And you say that he wasn't the same afterwards, after ayahuasca, that he was no longer joyful or generous afterwards. that he seemed like he woke up on the wrong side of the bed. You say that the experience can have the opposite intended effect on some people.

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Do you feel like that was a big turning point for him? I think it was a very big turning point for him.

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I know you share that he had some controlling issues or he would want you to stay in bed till seven every day. Yes. And so that he could have his space to do what he needed and then he would bring you the same coffee at 7 a.m. every day in a Superman mug.

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Can you talk about the tree emoji the night before he died? Yes.

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When you realized he hadn't come home and you were figuring out what to do and how to handle it. You say, I was convinced that he had to be hurt or lost somewhere. I tried to convey to the police, but they didn't understand. Stephen's the most loyal, loving husband and father. We had just returned from a lovely anniversary weekend, for God's sake.

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We're happy, I told them as a little voice in my head whispered, right? Mm-hmm.

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You say you and the kids, you are Steven's pack and you believe he disappeared down the road, separating himself from you and the family because he was very, very, very, very sick and didn't want to weigh you down.

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On the third day after he passed, you were cuddling your daughter Zaya and you say Stephen paid you a visit.

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And do you know and believe with a billion percent certainty that was him?

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What was the role of faith in his life? I, you know... know that he has attended church in the Christian faith. And you mentioned he was spending a lot of time with a shaman doing medicine journeys. That's a totally different thing. What was the role of faith in his life? And also for you, what's the role of faith in your life?

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And do you know and believe with a billion percent certainty that was him?

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Do you believe our lives are divinely orchestrated?

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Even the unfair things?

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That's so beautiful. You know, I feel so grateful and blessed in my life that I've met so many inspiring, incredible humans doing amazing things, people that I could have only dreamed of meeting. And even with that, I don't know a single one of them that also doesn't have struggles and doesn't deal with things behind the scenes and doesn't go through hard things and doesn't have dark days.

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When he comes to you or speaks to you or visits, have you ever asked him why? I have.

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And I think when we talk about purpose and when you talk about what you're sharing in your book this far, I think that It's so powerful what's happening with the number of people realizing, oh, just because I have these struggles and these things I'm going through that I've been hiding from everyone, including the people I care about most, that doesn't mean I'm disqualified from also

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Achieving great things from also being a worthy great incredible amazing powerful loving human being like both coexist both coexist and I feel like You know, I prayed before this episode that our conversation is Exactly what someone listening needs to hear in their own life because when we bury all the things and hide them from people and we don't get help for them. It's just,

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can exist or end in so many unfortunate ways and you know i want to call out again the number of men who have written and it's all over online everyone can go see it right now the number of men who have shared their stories saying that by what you're sharing and by

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what no one had any idea Steven was going through, that they connect so deeply with that, that they also are wanting to be the superhero for their parents, for their partner, for their kids. And so they just hope this other stuff will go away. But they're realizing, oh, wait, maybe I actually need to do something about it. Um, before it's too late.

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And I want to ask you about that part of it and how that makes you feel seeing so many letters and so many emails and DMs and people sharing their story about how deeply they connect to this and maybe didn't even acknowledge it in their own life until now. your story and Steven's story?

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You share that Steven gave his blessing for you to share all these parts.

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that Stephen gave his blessing for you to share all these parts of your life. And you're sharing today on this episode him visiting you and you talking to him. Do you think that he's seeing all of these people now making changes in their lives because of everything? And how do you think he feels? Do you think he's proud of you?

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There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life.

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And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, how to believe you are enough and transform your life for you. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you.

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It sent shockwaves through the world. His millions of people every day were turning to you, to Twitch, for joy. He was known for his just unremitting positivity for lifting the spirits of so many people every day.

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In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome. Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more.

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Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy.

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Imagine, what would you do if you fully believed in you? My weekly free inspirational newsletter is packed with tips and tools to help you find out. It's called One-on-One with Jamie and it's delivered right to your inbox each Tuesday morning. It's a love letter from me to you, from my soul to yours, and I hope it brings you the words and messages you need at just the right moment.

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Plus, when you're a part of my free inspirational newsletter community, you'll be the first to get behind-the-scenes content, inspirational messages, and be the first to learn about upcoming events and more. It's the place to be, and I sure hope you'll join me there. So if you're not on the list yet, you can sign up for free at jamiekernlima.com or click the link in the show notes below.

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And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this incredible conversation together. I wanted to ask you, you know, you've talked about how you've danced, your children have started dancing again, but that you haven't yet danced at true full capacity. And I want to ask you in this moment right now, have you yet danced at full capacity?

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There's not gonna be a dry eye. When this happens. You know that, right?

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There's so many people listening right now and watching that have been through hard times, that have dealt with loss, with struggle, that are on their healing journey, that are looking for inspiration to give themselves permission to laugh again. and to love again and to feel joy again and to feel fully alive again.

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I am prepping for this interview, have watched so many interviews you've done in the past. And one of the things that you shared a few times is you said like, the one thing you wish someone would ask you, no one asks you is this question. So I'm going to ask you this question. And that question is, Alison Holker, who are you now?

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You say in your book, if people want to hold on to an image of me with him, that's fine, but I can't do it anymore. I'm not the same person who is Stephen's wife and I must own that. I'm a new human and I'm not scared to say so. I'm giving myself permission to evolve.

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I want to ask you one thing because I just, I think... You know, my heart and soul, why I do this show is for every person listening to feel like, oh, wow, it's not just me. And, you know, to feel less alone and more enough and to feel that they're worthy, like worthy of loving who they are, worthy of, you know, asking themselves, what do I need? And what do I want?

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And, you know, believing they're worthy of their goals and dreams. And I just know there are so many people right now who maybe are bogged down by other people's opinions. Like maybe they've had a loss and maybe, or a breakup or a tragedy or a setback or a divorce or they lost their job or any number of things happened. And it's been two years for them.

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And they feel inside like they're kind of ready, but maybe they have people around them that are gonna judge them for moving on. In today's world, you are somebody with millions of fans and supporters all over the world who love you. And what we know in 2025 is anybody doing anything at all, even if you're breathing, you're going to have people that don't like how you breathe.

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And I want to call this out because there's going to be a lot of people listening and watching to us that they don't have big public platforms, but they have their in-laws or their friends or their coworkers or the moms at school, and they all have opinions. And with you... you know, having such a large public platform.

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How do you handle, and I actually want to ask you about a tool that your therapist shared with you. Can you talk about the tool your therapist shared with you that you use when you see someone's opinion that might be disagreeing with something or there might be a hater or a troll online doing something or whatever it is, talk about the tool that you use. It's going to help a lot of people.

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with the intention, she says, of inspiring and helping others who might also be struggling alone before it's too late. She's also sharing how she says Twitch gave her permission and his blessing to share these parts of their story. Allison Holker is an Emmy-nominated choreographer, dancer, host, actor, and author.

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Not that many years ago, no one even had to worry about social media. And whether someone was a doctor by profession or a lawyer or a teacher or they could be private. And now their profiles are online, their businesses are on social media, their reviews are on every page. And It's so new for a lot of people to see comments that aren't favorable for them.

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And I love what you shared about the mirror because I think it's also... in addition to how powerful your journey is and how self-assured you are. And just thank you for the depths of what you've shared in terms of how you've gotten there. And why I like the tool, the mirror so much is it's so easy for every one of us to see a negative comment and be like, oh, that's about me or that's it, right?

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And your therapist saying, oh, actually it's the mirror. Meaning, It's actually just a reflection of the person who wrote it, right? And there's a famous saying that says we don't see things as they are. We see things as we are.

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And I think the mirror is another way of saying that. And I think it's just such a great tool for everyone, especially, oh, my gosh, kids, teens, but honestly, adults who have never had to deal with this. I mean, in the past, someone wrote a complaint letter in the mail, sent it in. No one ever saw it. And now it's like all of these people instantly –

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are somehow both experts and critics at everything. And it's really hard on a lot of people. And it makes a lot of people want to hide and disappear. And I think it's just such a great reminder of every time we see a comment that maybe is clearly just intended to be ugly or low vibration or mean. It's really, it's a mirror. It's a reflection of the state that that person's in.

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And I know you said you'll pray for people when you see comments like that. You'll pray for them because what pain must they be going through?

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To say those things to someone else.

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All right, talking about social media. You have gone Instagram official. Instagram official with your new partner in your life. Can you tell us all about Adam?

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Was it love at first sight?

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Well, today is the first day you and I are meeting and congratulations on this far, your brand new book. First time you're sharing so many things. If you guys think that We went deep on this podcast. Wait until you get the book. The things that you share in particular about your own journey. You know, my favorite parts were who you've become through everything this far by Alison Holker.

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You can get it anywhere books are sold. And I just want to thank you for being here on the show. So thank you, Alison.

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and accept it and that's enough a lot of us have a hard time receiving love or we'll give it right back i do that all the time give it right back and you're saying he was so good at just giving it all back but he didn't keep any for himself yeah when people would pour it into him there's so many people listening right now and watching that have been through hard times that have dealt with loss with struggle that are on their healing journey that are

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But really, the superpower is... Talking about social media, you have gone Instagram official. Instagram official with your new partner.

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November 17th, 2022. So you and Stephen were on the Jennifer Hudson show.

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She first burst onto the scene when she competed in So You Think You Can Dance, where she met fellow dancer Steven Twitch Boss, who she married in December of 2013. She and tWitch amassed millions of fans across the globe with their heartfelt spirits and warm, inspiring dances.

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And you were both talking about having another baby. Mm-hmm. And three weeks later, what you call the incomprehensible happened. Stephen took his own life.

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In 2022, tWitch sent shockwaves through the world and through his family when he took his own life, leaving behind his wife Allison and their three kids and leaving millions of people asking why and how could this have happened?

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I know. Um, at the time, like it sent shockwaves through the world because millions of people every day were turning to you, to Twitch for joy. He was known for his just unremitting positivity for lifting the spirits of so many people every day. You say in your book this far, you say at

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So beautiful. Oh, I wasn't expecting that one. Yeah, they're just the great, they're just, it's just so great. This is why it's so nice to not have makeup on. Thank you. We spend so much of our life trying to prove something. To prove that you're enough. You have to prove that you're pretty enough. You have to prove that you're smart enough.

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You have to prove that you're a good wife or a good friend. And I was like, I am just so done with the prove it game. And if you can't see it, I can't, I don't need to prove to you why that's your loss. Like, because I know that I'm a great friend and I know the kind of mom I am and I know the kind of human being I am.

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I know how I show up and I love being able to be that person with the people that I love. So, you know, worthiness, maybe part of worthiness comes when you stop having to feel like you're in the proofing game.

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I was like, oh, the roses are coming back in.

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And I found an old report card. Oh, from when I was at Hollywood Schoolhouse. Maybe I was probably Archie's age. Oh, yes, because our kids got their report cards. So I was thinking about memory lane with that. I'll get back to your question in a second, but you'll like this, where you're going through and that's when grades weren't A, B, C, D at that age.

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It's right, like satisfactory, unsatisfactory or... I don't know what the best one would be, but it came to ability to throw and catch a ball. Not applicable. Oh, my gosh. It's like, well, I'm a great runner if someone is chasing me. Otherwise, just not the most athletic.

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People didn't know we were dating for, talk about memory lane. So long ago. I mean, it'll be our seven-year wedding anniversary soon. I couldn't tell anyone who I was dating and who I was keeping. So I think we were just on a letter basis. Yeah. And then it stuck. It stuck.

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So I created for the kids these email addresses that sort of like names, again, that you would never guess that I will give them at some point in their lives when they're older. But before I go to bed almost every night, I email them. Wow. I email because it doesn't have to be a heavy lift. And you email them like, here's your report card from today.

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Oh, my gosh, was it the funniest thing this morning? Or here's a picture of you two having breakfast. Or here's you playing with the things that you're not going to frame, the things that you're not going to put pen to paper in a journal. But they will end up at one point in their life, maybe when they're 16 or when they're 18, that I say, here's an email that I've been keeping for you.

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I have full body chills right now. For your whole life. And here's everything and every moment that I wanted to tell you how much I love you and like how proud I am of you and of all things that's making you emotional.