The Jamie Kern Lima Show
Kelsey Grammer Reveals All (Pt 2): Lessons on Love, Loss, Healing & Remembering
Tue, 13 May 2025
Full Video Available on YouTube @JamieKernLimaOfficial. Are You Ready to believe in YOU?🙌 jamiekernlima.com 👈 Sign up for my FREE Inspirational Newsletter here and you’ll ALSO get special prompt questions to help you grow in your self-worth-building that pair with each episode!🩷 Make sure to click the “Follow” button for the show on your favorite podcast app, so you’ll be the first to get each episode! In this incredible Part 2 with Kelsey Grammer, we GO THERE on ALL the things! Will he run for office? His big new role on the big screen! His candid insights on all the hot topics and more! Plus get your tissues out (again), and get ready to remember the experiences, feelings and people who matter most to you in your life! This is a side of Kelsey Grammer you’ve never seen before, he’s truly heart-wide-open in this soulful, vulnerable, emotional interview! How do you remember the people in your life who you loved, and have lost? And have you considered how that impacts your life, your healing, your spirit and your joy today? Today we’re talking about love, loss, healing, remembering… and celebrating a joy-filled life…with my guest today, Kelsey Grammer. Kelsey is a Golden Globe Award winning, Emmy Award winning, Tony Award winning, Screen Actors Guild Award winning, People’s Choice Award winning actor, comedian and producer. He first gained fame for his role as Dr. Frasier Crane on this hit TV show Cheers, and later it’s spin-off Frasier, making primetime television history playing one of the longest-running roles, for more than 20 years, by a single actor. He is the founder of the Faith American Brewing Company, a husband to his wife Kayte, and the father of 7 children! It was recently announced he’ll be playing BEAST in the much anticipated Avenger’s Doomsday, and today, we’re actually seeing a deeply personal and intimate part of Kelsey, in perhaps one of the most important and meaningful works of his life, Kelsey’s brand new book: where he explores love, loss, healing and celebrating the memory of a life filled with joy. In Karen: A Brother Remembers, Kelsey shares the tragic story of the death of his sister, Karen, who was brutally murdered at the age of eighteen, and the journey of his own path to healing in his life. In Karen, Kelsey aims to help others who have experienced similar loss, offering solace and encouragement to cherish the love they knew, however brief, on their own path toward healing. And whether you're joining me today for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And remember this episode is not just for you and me. Please share it with every single person that you know because it can change their life too. Get my new book WORTHY plus FREE Bonus gifts including a 95+ page Worthy Workbook and more at WorthyBook.com For more resources related to today’s episode, click here https://jamiekernlima.com/show/ for the podcast episode page. It’s such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note: I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is NOT intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Click Here to Subscribe to the YouTube Channel Follow me here: Instagram TikTok Facebook Website — Sign up for my inspirational newsletter for YOU at: jamiekernlima.com — Looking for my books on Amazon? Here they are! WORTHY Believe IT
Chapter 1: Who is Kelsey Grammer and what are his recent career highlights?
Kelsey is a Golden Globe award-winning, Emmy award-winning, Tony award-winning, Screen Actors Guild award-winning, People's Choice award-winning actor, comedian, and producer. He first gained fame for his role as Dr. Frasier Crane on the hit TV show Cheers, and later it's spinoff Frasier.
making primetime television history, playing one of the longest running roles for more than 20 years by a single actor. He is the founder of Faith American Brewing Company, a husband to his wife, Kate, and the father of seven children. It was recently announced he'll be playing Beast, in the much anticipated Avengers Doomsday.
And today we're actually seeing a deeply personal and intimate part of Kelsey and perhaps one of the most important and meaningful works of his life, Kelsey's brand new book, where he explores love, loss, healing, and celebrating the memory of a life filled with joy.
And whether today you're listening for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And if you're here right now, can you do me a quick favor?
If you like the show and the guests that I bring you, if you could please hit the subscribe or follow button on the app that you're listening or watching on, it truly means the world to me. Thank you so much. And I want to remind you that this episode, it's not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person you know.
because what you're about to hear could change your life and theirs too. Also, every episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show features a wide range of guests. I believe that you can't help heal humanity through love unless you understand the humans that make it up. I have friends who vote differently, love differently, and believe completely differently than me.
I've gotten hate for giving them love, but I'll never stop doing that because I know why I'm here. and it's to be a force for love. This world now more than ever desperately needs the force for love inside each of us.
You can't help heal humanity through love if you only love the people who are just like you and aren't truly open and curious about the humans who make up the collective humanity that I believe is possible for all of us to heal together. And with that, let's get this episode started.
Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.
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Chapter 2: How does Kelsey Grammer view parenting and his relationship with his children?
And yes, I bear your name. But I want to be known for what I am. And I get that. That's OK. I even applaud it. It's an interesting mix to be involved in a relationship with one who has gone before, who happens to be your father, who has a reputation. And a reputation can cut in several ways. But it doesn't need to eclipse the person.
I didn't know what to say to her, but if she does know I'm proud of her, then she can at least read it here. It was really quite a specific say. You'll be able to say... You'll be able to look at this in the writing and go, oh, oh, he does understand this was difficult. Oh, he does know that that's a challenge.
Oh, and he is saying thank you for wanting to be in this business and doing the things that, you know, following in your footsteps. It came out of that idea that, you know, it can't be easy. And so it was just a it was just a nod to saying, I get it. I'm still your dad. I love you. And, you know. off you go.
You've still got to get pushed out of the nest and say, you know, you're on your own anyway and you've done a good job.
Are you proud of all of your kids?
Absolutely. Absolutely. I've had moments when I've thought, well, you know, we all can shine a light on a few things and say, you know, maybe you're going to empower yourself more if you don't allow this thing to keep, you know, giving you hiccups. Because we all stub our toes and I've stubbed mine several times. But
It's nice if you have a relationship with someone who has actually gathered some wisdom beforehand to trust it I used to say to another one of my children I used to say all the time say You don't always have to learn by experience. You can learn by example.
Hmm.
I said just think about it I don't know if that's ever worked out, but I still think there's value in that and
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Chapter 3: What struggles does Kelsey Grammer face balancing work, creativity, and family life?
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I mean, you know, and, and, and, and, and I've had people say that to me, they're like, Oh, you know, you've built this huge business. You've done this, you do that, that the, these awards that this, that, and then I asked myself, am I like, am I thinking I have to keep achieving to feel worthy? And so how do you reconcile that?
It's interesting. The same battle is for me is, is,
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Chapter 4: How does Kelsey Grammer approach honesty and sharing his real self publicly?
It's freeing.
And the acting question is, it was always a great gift to know it was the place where you didn't have to lie at all. Acting is, you know, the misconception being that actors are good liars. They aren't actually. They're only good if it sounds like they're telling the truth, which means they are telling the truth. It's just with somebody else's mask. It was given you by a writer.
or given you by a great playwright or whatever. So you've got this veneer that allows you to tell the truth, the absolute truth, to be completely uncovered. Because if you aren't, then it's going to feel like you're not doing a very good job.
You know, with all this stuff about like who you are and being out there in the public and all this stuff, you're really, you've been maybe more so lately, I don't know, but you've been sharing a lot of your views publicly, you know, like about faith and about politics and everything else. I saw at Mar-a-Lago, like there's pictures everywhere.
Oh, yeah, yeah. We went down and it was a fundraiser for dogs.
A fundraiser for dogs.
Yeah. Okay. Kimberly Guilfoyle was there, though, and she's sort of the chair of it for this particular event. So we took the kids, and we had a nice time. It was lovely. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I've been a conservative. I've been a conservative for a long time in Hollywood.
Yeah.
You know, it's just my core values are basically are live and let live. And I think that's what the conservative message is. And, you know, some people might disagree with me, but the other guys lately, it tends to be, you know, you will live as you're told. And that just closes out of town for me.
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Chapter 5: What are Kelsey Grammer's political views and thoughts on public service?
I still look at it. It's like, what were you doing? What did you think about yourself that you thought that was something you should do? I still have questions for him. I'd like to ask him one day. Maybe I will.
Yeah, you will. So when you say, too, that you think that you support Donald Trump, obviously over half the country agrees with you. And do you feel like he's doing a good job? Yeah, actually, I do.
I think what's so fascinating to me is when you walk into Washington or you're driving your car and it shuts off and starts or you're in Mar-a-Lago that you have the, I guess would you call them whispers, that you could do a good job in that role.
Honestly, I don't know. When I was a little boy, I wanted to be the president. When I was a kid, I used to say to my mom, I want to grow up to be president. But I was taught that's the kind of country we live in. Any kid can become president if they believe in it. And I still believe that's basically true. When we were talking earlier, I was talking about the American dream.
The American dream is a given. It's there. What I don't like hearing from my politicians is it's over. The American dream's over. I said, well... How did we get to that place? Why would you want to lower our expectations that much that you're now saying to me, well, we can't give you that, but what we can give you is we can make sure that somebody else's dream is smaller. I don't care for that.
You know, you're so convicted in your beliefs and your values. You talk about this in Karen, which is out now. I love understanding also the humans that make up humanity. I think people are so scared right now to share how they feel or what they believe. Or, you know, I think like people have been I think I think for the past decade.
I would say at least five to 10 years, teachers have been scared to share how they feel in the classroom. And people have been scared that they're going to say the wrong thing or get something wrong or be accused of something that they totally didn't intend to do. And I think everyone's just walking around on eggshells. And in the book, I really feel like we're with you and we're
And we understand you and understand your thoughts and what you believe. And you talk a lot about your values in there, too. You know, you talk about I think it was six months before Karen passed when you were with a girlfriend. Yeah.
And. You had an abortion.
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Chapter 6: Does Kelsey Grammer consider running for political office?
after the fact rather than be a gentleman before the fact, which is either you don't do certain things, you experiment with other things, you put on a condom, you behave like a gentleman, and you don't put yourself in that position. A lot of people don't seem to think that's worth teaching anymore, and I don't know why. Look, you know, everybody's entitled to their way of thinking about it.
But I just think, why would you make a series of choices that has to end that way when you know you can actually make better choices? I guess my advice would be to make better choices. You know, I mean, who wants to have to have that on their head? Who actually goes through life thinking, oh, that's what I want to do?
Do you still think about it about when you're 18?
Yeah, I wrote about it.
Yeah, I would never ask you, but it's in the book.
Yeah, no, I wrote about it. I mean, I'm sitting there and it came from Karen. We were sitting there and I was writing about being in Gordon's hospital room. And then Karen came and said, you have to take care of something. You need to clean something up, purge something. She said, leave us together with Gordon for now and go back to New York with Jill.
Wow.
It's all in there.
So you revisited it for that reason.
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Chapter 7: What are Kelsey Grammer's opinions on government, corruption, and leadership limits?
It's been on my mind. It's been on my heart. It's been on my heart for a long time. Yeah.
for you to talk about your own experience with it, how it's impacted you emotionally, how you feel now today. I have friends that are very pro-choice and friends that are very pro-life and they have, many of them have had abortions. And I watch now, I'm 47, and I've been in conversations where they've been in therapy about it and dealing with it in very different ways.
And sometimes the way you might feel about it in one phase of life changes into another phase of life. And why I wanted to bring it up is this isn't something people talk about. So when I think about the number of people that are going to be listening or watching right now that have had this experience as well, and maybe they've never told anybody. Yeah.
not even their partner, nobody, but they're dealing with it internally. I just wanna call this out because I think that the journey that the reader's gonna go on in your book, I think, yes, it's this honoring of a joy and light that is your sister, Karen. It's your own journey to where you're at now with it and with your relationship with her in your life.
But it's also the reader's journey in their own personal life.
It is my hope that when people read what I've written and exposed and uncovered about my own life, I wanted to actually... comfort any woman, any mother who's lost a child, anyone who's lost a child. Everybody that's been through what we're talking about here has experienced a loss.
Whether or not they want to acknowledge it or fight it or they're angry about it or angry that someone would say, you know, I don't look down my nose at anybody that's had an abortion. I don't. I feel sad about it for people. Where before I used to think, well, yeah, of course you have the right to do whatever you want to do with your body. I do believe that.
The consequences of another body being stopped from living is always, you know, consequence, war, warfare, abortion. They all ask the same question. Did I do the right thing? And I think a lot of people struggle with it, and my heart goes out to them. I mean, this is not a condemnation book either. It's not a grief book. It's also not a condemnation book. We are left with it sometimes.
We wrestle with it as a society. And I wouldn't give us much of a chance at all if we weren't wrestling with it. I haven't talked about this. The moment I went with Jill, this is some time ago, of course. There were four guys sitting in there. And nobody was happy. No guy was happy there.
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Chapter 8: How does Kelsey Grammer define the American dream and its current state?
There's a, there's a guy, there was a, There was a critic, John Simon was his name. He began writing maybe in the mid 70s and through maybe 2000. And he was so mean, personally mean to people, actors that he didn't like. He just called them fat or you're disgusting. And it became entertaining to see what nastiness he would conjure up in his next review. But it became stylish to write that way.
He set a new kind of style that maybe was born out of the 70s, maybe was born out of what was going on in the 80s. I don't really know what happened. But it became the norm. It became the norm to be mean to people. And I thought that's, it was just such a wrong turn, I think. And I do sort of put it at his feet.
I mean, you know, theater critics are known for being sort of, you know, no turn unstoned. You know, that was sort of one of their things, yeah. But to do it charmingly, the British are a little bit better about doing it charmingly. This guy was directly personal and nasty. And I thought, boy, that really changed things. To dial back on one thing,
about a year and a half ago, somebody said, if you were president, what would you do differently? What would you want to do? I said, I would ask that we become a nation of good manners again. I just think we need to treat each other better, speak better to one another, honorifically, respect each other, whether we come from different sides, and just reinstate mannerly behavior.
Even in our kids, you know, shoes off the couch. My wife always points out, she says, she watches Disney shows where the kids jump up and down on a bed with their shoes on. I'm thinking, yeah, you're right. That's awful. How did we let that happen? But it's like there was a whole generation that was sort of broken into this idea that you just treat everything you have with disrespect.
But if you respect nothing, you certainly won't respect yourself.
somehow this thing has happened. And I feel like even more so in the past couple of years, now that so much is online where you're like vilified, if you're around someone who believes different than you do or votes different or loves different, or I, you know, identifies different, whatever it might be.
And it's like, people just get, and I just feel like what makes me, and now I have, you know, I have five families I've adopted. It's a whole long story, but you know, this, There's times where people can't talk about politics or Thanksgiving will end.
And it's interesting that I just feel like if we have a shot at healing humanity through love, you can't do that if you don't understand the humans that make it up. And if you only spend time around people who believe what you believe, how can you ever... help heal humanity.
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