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john is still coughing that's remarkable maybe i mean it's not a particularly good start to a show but john is indeed still coughing yeah
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And once again, the rumor mill about watch redesigns, it once again proves to be mostly wrong.
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Yeah, but only recently, like only a couple months ago, they were saying it was going to have a whole new band attachment mechanism with magnetic bands and like all these, they're going to change the size more.
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Although the rumors also said that both sizes would be getting substantially bigger, and that's also not true. But both sizes did get bigger, just not substantially. Yeah, by like one millimeter. They were saying they were going to get rid of the small size. It turns out the watch rumor mill is, I think, the least reliable part of the Apple product rumor mill.
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And the pattern continued into this year as well.
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I was. No, this is like my wish list for this Apple Watch included, please bring back titanium. Now, the way they did it was not quite what I was imagining, but I will happily take it. So what they've done is they've replaced stainless steel with titanium that has a polished finish, not a brushed finish.
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So the old one had a brush finish that would form linear reflections because it was brushed in a line. This one appears to be just polished the same way that the stainless steel has been polished. So it's like a shiny chrome-like look on the outside. I actually prefer the old one, I think. I haven't seen this one in person yet. I prefer the look of the old one, I think.
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But the main advantage of titanium, as we see in the phones, is it's much lighter than stainless steel for the same type of product. So, this gets it a lot closer to the wonderful lightness of the aluminum models than it used to be. Again, I think I would prefer a more, like, you know, brushed kind of finish, but hey, I'll take this. This is good. And this is also, like...
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They've also added a bunch of new colors as part of their new kind of metals refresh here. On the aluminum side, they added a jet black, which looks a lot like the iPhone 7 jet black, according to pictures I've seen. Again, I haven't seen any of these in person yet, so we'll see how they look in person.
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But that's interesting to have a shiny jet black in the aluminum side for the very first time, because in the past, you'd have to go to steel to get shiny black. So that should be really cool. Rose gold and silver there in the aluminum. And then the titanium, they have an interesting color set in titanium. They have gold, cool. Slate, which is basically space gray.
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They've been making space grays since the beginning of time. And they've been in many different grays, but it's basically very dark gray. Then they have natural titanium in most of the models, but then the Hermes model has a exclusive silver color. Now, I am very curious to see those two in person, because how different is natural from silver? Is natural just a little shade darker, maybe?
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Like, that's what I would expect, because I think that is the, quote, natural color of titanium, so... We'll see what that means in practice. But either way, I am very happy to see Titanium is back in the regular series Apple Watch. That is great news to me. I have already ordered one in Titanium, and I'm looking forward to getting it for many reasons.
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But that alone, just bringing back Titanium is a big deal. That being said, there was there was there were a couple of things about the display before we leave that that I thought were interesting. So, of course, as John mentioned, the wide angle viewing angle, I think that that actually will matter a lot on the watch.
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But also the display now updates once a second when it's in like the the always on sleeping mode. It used to be once a minute. So now it's once a second. So now they've actually updated a lot of the watch faces to have like a ticking seconds hand like quartz watches do, which is interesting.
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And they have a couple of designs like they showed off, but that should overall make the sleep mode like a little bit nicer. That's kind of the theme of this display update is sleep. you know, the wider angle makes it a little bit nicer. The once every second updating a little bit nicer, the slightly bigger screen, a little bit nicer, like all those things just make the watch a little bit nicer.
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And so I'm, I think this is actually a substantial update to the watch. Even the 10% thinner, that is something that you will see and feel more than you might think from just hearing the number 10%. It doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal, but you notice with that kind of stuff. Also, they all weigh less than the outgoing models. So you also will notice that.
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I believe they said aluminum is about 10% weight loss and titanium is 20% less than the steel it's replacing. So those are substantial savings. Again, like last year, and we'll get to this, but last year we were all very happy about a roughly 10% weight reduction on the iPhone. I think it was even less than that. But you notice that. And so on the watch, I think we will notice these changes.
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These will be, I think, very nice to have. And that's kind of the theme of most of the Apple Watch update, the Series 9 to 10 update at least. Most of the update seems to be a pretty nice-sized collection of...
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reasonably minor individual things that i think will all add up to a very nice overall update to the watch um one other thing i wanted to call out because i don't i don't think you have it on your list here oh you do never mind you have a bolded later um you can now play music and podcasts directly through the speaker on the watch
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Yeah, I mean, and to be clear, like, this will destroy, like, it destroys the battery on the phone. Like, playing out the built-in speaker for sustained amounts of time is a substantial battery cost.
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So, you know, don't buy this expecting to do this on a regular basis, but it is nice that you can do it sometimes instead of having to pair AirPods to it just to hear, like, you know, if you, like, you know, are just trying to listen to a podcast as you walk around or something. So that's nice. That's a pretty substantial fix.
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Um, also other things about it, like the, you know, they have a, uh, a quote larger and more efficient charging coil and that makes it the fastest charging Apple watch ever. That's also very interesting. Again, as, as people move more into using these as sleep devices that you're wearing most of the day, charging speed matters a lot. Uh, so that's also a great thing.
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I sure can. It is not patented or copyrighted or trademarked. I think the only thing that possibly could be is trademarked because I don't believe in patents and copyright doesn't apply here. But I'm not even going to trademark it because it is an idea that I think should spread and I don't need to have my name be the only name ever attached to it because here's what you do.
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Um, so this all, this all sounds really good so far. I was very excited to get this update to the watch. Um,
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Even the Series 10 also gets the water depth gauge and the water temperature sensor, which were previously exclusive to the Ultra, which I think means that the Ultra, I think the only significant sensor difference that the Ultra has over the Series 10 now is the Ultra has the dual frequency GPS and Series 10 appears not to.
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oh yeah i forgot about that as far as as far as i can think i don't think there's many other gains the ultra has now besides like the more rugged physical design um but you know so so if you were getting the ultra for for a lot of reasons people would were getting the ultra before i think they can now get a series 10 and and be very happy with it yeah so before the event did you think that you were in the market for a watch at this event did you expect to be buying one
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I wasn't sure. I mean, most of the Apple Watch updates are very minor. And if you look at the Series 9 compared to the Series 6, say, or the Series 5, it's substantially better. If you compare, very much like I was saying with the iPhone earlier, but the iPhone being largely incremental every year,
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If you compare the Apple Watch this year, like the Series 9 compared to the Series 8 is not a significant update, like at all. If you replace my Series 9 with a Series 8, I don't know if I would ever notice the difference until I tried to double tap and realized it was even less reliable than usual. Yeah.
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But that would be a hard thing to notice, whereas if you replaced a Series 7 with a Series 10, you will notice the difference immediately and vice versa. If you replace it the other direction, you will definitely notice that difference. So they do make big changes over time. This is bigger than I expected.
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Besides, the only thing that would be bigger than this would be like a major physical redesign, which I think this is a moderate physical redesign. It's not nothing. It's not everything. I'm actually glad I can still use all my bands. And, in fact, they even tweaked some of the bands.
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So, of course, you have the standard new colors for the silicone bands and new colors for all the bands that have colors. But they even have new finishes for the steel bands. So now this is a little tricky. You could be forgiven for assuming that the new standard series Milanese loop and link bracelet are now made of titanium. They're not.
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Those are still made of steel, but they are made to match the titanium colors of the Series 10 watch. So they're now made in slate, gold, and I guess natural, most of them. So if you get a Series 10 watch and you want the Milanese loop or the Apple Link bracelet, both of which are great bands in different ways, you can get those now that match the titanium finishes of the Series 10, which is nice.
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And then the Ultra... didn't get a new watch at all but it did get new color a new black color finally and it has a bunch of cool new bands there as well including its own Milanese loop with that cool big latch thing I'm actually really curious to see that in person I I think that actually might be a fun band to have on the regular Series 9, but it might be a little too chunky. We'll see.
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You take your rampant consumerism that you are about to use or have already used to place orders for all these new tech products that have just come out or are about to come out, and you look at the base price of those products. So the new iPhone, say it's $999. Is that the – I don't even remember. Is it?
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Series 10, I mean. But anyway, it looks like overall, this is actually a really big update for the series. The series line of watches, it's a really big update for the bands, and it's not an update for the Ultra or the SE. But, I mean, it's a pretty good update. I will say, though, not updating the Ultra...
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Only two years into it is surprising to me because as far as I can tell, just like from looking around the world and hearing people who like Apple products, it seems like it's pretty popular. Like I see a lot of Ultras out in the world, a lot. Like on non-nerds and on people who I know are not doing ultra sports or ultra activities. They're not even living an ultra lifestyle.
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They're just people who like the way it looks or who want the battery life or whatever. The ultra is very popular, it seems. So it is kind of odd not to update it to like the new, you know, the S10 SIP and some of the new features that the Series 10 has. It is kind of weird. I wonder what the story there is.
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Like, do they, is it kind of like the Mac Pro and Mac Studio where they're like, eh, we can skip a generation. We don't sell that many of these. Like, I don't know. Again, I see a lot of them out there. So who knows? I don't know what happened there. We'll see what kind of update cycle the Ultra gets, but it is odd to skip one so soon.
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So iPhone Pro 999. So what you do is you say, all right, well, I got an iPhone Pro. I got the bigger storage option. I got the AppleCare. I got a case. I got to pay sales tax. Whatever additional money you're paying out the door above that 999 base price of the actual product, say it's a couple hundred bucks, that becomes your suggested minimum donation to St.
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Jude because that's like the add-on money that you are kind of just tossing on at the end there. The theory is you can probably afford something like that if you're fortunate enough to be buying this kind of gear in the first place most of the time.
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Yeah. Look, I'm not going to toot my own horn unnecessarily. No, I'm definitely right about this. The big regular series watch is the watch that I think is right for you. For reference, my Series 9, one-year-old, heavy use, wear it almost every day. I worked out today for a little over an hour in workout mode. It is now almost 9 p.m., and it's still a 65% battery.
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So if that's you, if you can afford it, that is my suggested minimum donation is that incremental offset above the base price of the product or products that you are buying. If you truly can't afford it, that's cool. We understand. Donate a dollar if you can afford that. Any amount helps. But if you can afford more, we encourage it.
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And I use Always On. I'm using it all day, and I don't charge it at all during the day. So, yeah, I mean, the battery life on the big one is fine. And for whatever reason, I did wear the smaller one for a few years there in the middle, and I always thought that was bad.
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decent battery life but it wasn't amazing especially after the watch was more than a couple years old you know you would start to notice it would have trouble getting through the day if you were doing workouts that's not the case with the big one now and there's different workout modes too like if you are say you know running outside so it's using the gps and if you're especially a playing music while running you know playing music on the watch while running with gps and workout mode that's going to be probably the worst case scenario for battery life
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Even that, the big one, is fine. Like, you know, the big regular series watch, I can do an outdoor run for an hour, listening to a podcast over AirPods the entire time with the watch, maybe even using cellular during some of that time, and it will still get through that day. It is fine. Like, I will go to bed and it will not be in low power mode. So...
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If your wrist supports it, I would strongly recommend getting the larger regular series watch for most people. Again, if you are okay with the size, fashion-wise, and I think most people can pull it off, honestly. You have to be pretty petite and also care about that kind of thing to not be able to pull off the middle-sized Apple Watch, which is what this is.
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and for most people, that's not going to be a concern. Most adults can easily pull off the big one, especially because large smartwatches are in style.
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Even on people whose wrists are otherwise fairly small relative to the average adult, say, the bigger watch, even the Ultra, most people can wear whatever size they want, and no one bats an eye at how it looks or whether it, quote, fits them or not. You can wear whatever size watch you want. Fashion is all over the place on that, and big smartwatches are very much in fashion.
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Oh, no. This is... Oh, my God. I loved this naming clumsiness. So here's what it is. So this is actually two different products. There's AirPods 4, and they introduced another version of AirPods 4, and they didn't announce the name until the end. And during the entire introduction of that part, they kept calling them these AirPods.
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So the introduction line was, for those looking for even more performance in this style of AirPods. And the entire rest of that section, she kept saying these AirPods, you know, these AirPods have, you know, these AirPods have this, these AirPods have that. The Apple Watch case charging compatibility in case speaker in this charging case for these AirPods.
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And then eventually they unveiled the name as AirPods 4 with active noise cancellation. which is one of those two Thunderbolt ports kind of names. So I would suggest, since the actual name is so comically clumsy, we should call them what they called them, these AirPods. So we have AirPods 4, these AirPods, and AirPods Pro and AirPods Max.
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Well, so we at least know the case is different. This charging case... Mm-hmm.
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Noise cancellation requires more microphones typically than just like one for receiving phone calls. So my guess is they probably have additional microphones. But I don't think we know that yet.
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I mean, the processor in them is just branded H2, like every other H2 AirPods. We don't really know... Is the H2 the CPU, or is there a difference? Is the H2 just the Bluetooth? Who knows? And then we also don't know, is there more than one kind of H2? Maybe they're binned. Maybe it's two little tiny cores, and some of them only have one core active. Who knows? They could be higher clock speed.
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In the features that are in these AirPods, these features have... More computational load to do some of those features. Things like ANC to begin with, obviously transparency mode, they have adaptive audio, they have conversation awareness. They have most of the core audio processing features of the AirPods Pro. So
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That's going to be substantially more processing needs than the standard AirPods 4 that don't have any of those. But what gets me, the standard AirPods 4 does have voice isolation on phone calls. So that's also kind of one of those features. So... I don't know. It could be as simple as a different case and a couple of software-enabled features. Who knows?
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But regardless, they now have, you know, most of the features available in the AirPods Pro are now available in, quote, this open-ear design.
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I mean, now that they have the pizza boxes to update them, maybe that's part of the reason why they did that, honestly.
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Keep in mind, also, the sales cycle of these products is the whole year and possibly beyond. So even if they have a lot of air shipment for these first few weeks as they're pretty new coming out of the factory, at some point, that sales rate is going to...
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you know, dip below the production rate by enough that they can start sending big batches of them by boat, and it'll be fine by the time they get here, you know? But also, one other thing on the carbon neutrality of the watch, as we went back to there anyway, I forgot to mention that one, I think, significant change this year.
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So last year, they introduced the first carbon-neutral Apple Watch configuration, but it was only like you had to get, like, I think it was just the aluminum one with just certain bands. So what they said this year was now... any Apple Watch in any finish, quote, can be carbon neutral.
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So it depends on what kind of band you pick, but it's new that any of the metals, like all the Apple Watches with any of the metal choices, can now be carbon neutral with certain band choices. I think that's great. They have expanded how many of their products can be carbon neutral.
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And they're indicating even in the store interface when you pick out things, they're telling you which choices are carbon neutral. So again, they're pushing that goal forward. I think that's a very laudable thing that they're doing that they're actually making real progress on.
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I mean, obviously, they really didn't have time to fix all of the AirPods Max's glaring shortcomings since it's only been out for four years.
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So, you know, when the AirPods Max came out, pretty much everybody said, Okay, these are pretty good in certain ways. They are a little heavy and uncomfortable as a result of that. They are very expensive, and the case they came with is stupid and garbage and very inconvenient, like that weird kind of bra-shaped case. It's a bad case in so many ways. So what they've changed is...
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We got new colors and a USB-C port, and we've addressed none of the major flaws of this product.
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think the fear is that and this is a very founded fear based on apple's history the fear is that this is going to be it for the next four years like that they they touched it and it's like all right we touched it it's it's updated new banner and then that's it no that's not this is this is clearly a sort of like try to stem some of the pain while we work on the successor right or they just can the whole product line but i think there's going to be a successor and
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But it was also a lot better. It still had a long way to go. But the second one was significantly updated.
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Oh, my God. But the AirPods Max are a better product that's more successful than the Home. But anyway, if I was an AirPods Max fan and I was waiting for this update, I'd be pretty mad. And, John, I think you're optimistic. You can make a bet. Add it to your calendar. I don't think there's a chance in hell the AirPods Max get another update at least for two years.
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I don't think I would bet two years, but I would bet five.
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Three? You want to go three? It's a little harder on me, but I think I'll go three. All right, let's do it. Three years. I'll take that bet. I'm saying not before three years from now. You're saying before three years from now that we'll get an update.
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Yeah, this is awesome. For them to be leaning into hearing health and to be taking advantage of the AirPods Pro's amazing abilities here, this is a very big deal for a lot of people.
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Yeah. And to be clear, like if any of you out there are hearing this and you're like, well, it probably doesn't work that well. If you've never heard transparency mode on AirPods Pro. It is way better than you think it can be. Even if you've heard transparency mode or pass-through mode on other noise-canceling headphones, trust me, so have I. Go read all the reviews.
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Everyone agrees the AirPods Pro transparency mode is way better than every other pair of headphones on the market, including, yes, the brand new, you know, whatever new Sony XM series is out that year. Yes, even better than that. Even better than the AirPods Max when they were new, let alone now. The transparency pass-through mode on AirPods Pro is remarkably good. It is stunningly good.
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So they can do things like this. They can have really interesting and useful and amazing audio features for people's regular hearing that are built upon transparency mode and the amazing thing they've built there. And this is just one of the many things, you know, I've mentioned in the past how I now I'm now using AirPods Pro 2 as my hearing protection when I go to concerts because it works.
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And this is another feature they talked about is hearing protection.
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Yeah, exactly. And so I actually, we'll talk about in the after show, I went to a concert this past weekend and I wore the same AirPods Pro in the same part of the audience in the same venue that I was in a year ago. And a year ago, that was the first time I tried them as hearing protection in a concert. And I gave a whole report on the show about how it worked pretty well.
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It worked better than any, quote, concert earplugs that I had available and that I had tried. Way better than all those. And it was pretty great. The only problem I had noted last fall when I went to the Phish concert was that...
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if I would like turn my head a little bit, like side to side, sometimes they would kind of get unbalanced because like I wasn't, I was no longer like aligned perfectly with the PA speakers, like evenly on both sides. You know, like if I, if I'm like looking to the left or right, um, and it would kind of like make the sound kind of unbalanced and wacky. And it was like a little bit imperfect. Um,
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This past weekend with the iOS 18 and whatever latest versions of AirPods firmware there are, this past weekend it was flawless. It was just perfect. There was no imbalance. There was no pumping effects. You get compressor pumping effects if you're in audio terms. None of that. It was just perfect. It sounded exact. And at one point I was like, the guitar sounds a little bit low in the mix.
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I wonder if that's the processing. And I took them out to see what it sounded like without them. And first of all, it blew my ears off. It was so loud. But I also noticed like, no, the mix is the same. Like it wasn't messing with the mix. It was just making everything evenly quieter. And all I was doing – this was not any new feature that they're about to add.
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This is the feature that's already there. It's just transparency mode with what is currently called reduced loud sounds, which I believe is on by default now. So they already, in the last year, have made massive strides before this new hearing protection version even launches. And so to have that now on by default and available in all listening modes – That's incredible.
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And all of the idea of using AirPods Pro as hearing aids, that's not only incredible for so many reasons, but also that's totally plausible as a thing that they could be very good at within the range of what they can correct for. They can't correct above a certain level of decibel needs or whatever, and that's fine. There's obviously, quote, real hearing aids for that.
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But this is going to be great for a lot of people. The only thing I would request, if they're going to lean more into this, which I love that they are, building on what John was saying earlier...
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wearing airpods pro when you're trying to like talk to people people don't know that you can hear them and it's it's not like this is just something that people are going to figure out next year next year or in six months like we've had airpods for a while now society has not accepted the idea that you can just talk to people wearing headphones because you on the outside you can't tell whether they can hear you or not see also the vision pro weird i think like you can't tell if they can hear you or not so you kind of are hesitant to talk to people with headphones in
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And I, as an AirPods user, will frequently – will almost always take them out when talking to people because, again, like even though my podcast is paused or whatever, they don't know that. So if they want to have AirPods Pro be able to take more of these roles – the smaller and more discreet they can become, the better.
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And this doesn't necessarily mean they have to be, you know, super tiny in your ears with the thing that loops behind you, like the way many hearing aids are designed. But even just something as simple as if they were available in something closer to skin tones rather than bright white, like even just, heck, even just give us a black version, but just like something other than bright white.
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Cause that's one thing when I'm wearing them at a concert, I'm very aware that like, this is very visible, right?
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like this like i would i would love to have those be a little more discreet skin tones would be perfect if not you know just something a little bit darker maybe um and certainly if they can investigate maybe a stickless design uh for this kind of use that would also be interesting um that obviously starts you start changing the product a little you know in pretty big ways once you do that but we know it's possible because literally everyone else does it that way
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So there are different suggestions I would make in terms of the physical design and colors to lean into this kind of feature set.
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Literally every other competitor, everything is stickless except the AirPods. I was going to say Beats isn't a competitor. It's also Apple. Well, but they let Beats explore different designs and different features and everything. But yeah, so overall, yeah, a discrete design would be great in the future, or at least different color choices.
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But overall, what an amazing feature set for the AirPods Pro 2. They were already incredible headphones. They've already replaced all of my portable headphone uses, yes, including on planes. They've replaced every other time I use headphones that's not at my desk. They're just so incredibly good. And this now expands their use even more, makes them even better. I am so happy to see this.
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I would never have guessed that Apple would do this. I would have thought that Apple would not want to get into another medical area that might require certain approvals or things. But nope, they did it. And I'm super happy they did it.
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In terms of, you know, we'll get into each of the products individually. I think overall, this event focused a lot more on software capabilities than hardware capabilities. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make for, you know, a different tone of the event compared to, I think, what a lot of people expect or hope from an iPhone slash Apple Watch, whatever launch event is.
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So on the pro phone, they expanded a little bit on this, which might be related. On the pro phone section, they said that they, quote, maximized thermal capacity with a new aluminum frame with a, quote, graphite-clad aluminum substructure that provides up to 20% improvement in sustained performance on the 16 Pro. So it sounds like at least – in both phones, they talked about thermals.
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The reality is this is the, what, 18th iPhone or something? There have been so many iPhones. It is such a mature product. The annual incremental updates are not that big anymore in terms of interesting, showy new features or hardware changes. It's not that much every year. It's incremental in the hardware market.
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And in both phones, the euphemism they used was improvement in sustained performance. But what that really means is heat dissipation. That's what that means, cooling. And so whether this base 16 has the graphite-clad aluminum substructure, we don't know that. No, it doesn't. They would have said it. Probably, yeah.
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But either way, the thermals are better in both phones, and that's good because on the 15 Pro at least, I don't know about the regular 15, but on the 15 Pro, thermals took a pretty big step back. So this is good to see.
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But, and this is like, look, Siri looks good in presentations too.
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Yeah, and I think that, so the camera control, and that's literally like, they kept calling it Camera Control or The Camera Control. It seems like this is a kind of loosey-goosey name, whether it includes the or not, whether you're supposed to capitalize it. But yeah, it's The Camera Control. Anyway, it's better than these AirPods. At least it has a name.
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What we tend to see, though, is interesting stuff in kind of software capabilities, backing services, things like that. And this year, the story is obviously all about AI-based features. And Apple intelligence in particular is what Apple is trying to push. And it's not just them. Obviously, the whole industry is pushing it right now with a lot of good reason.
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Anyway, so this button, I think this is great. I think this is... What's interesting is that if you look at the rest of the phone's updates, they're mostly, again, software and incremental improvements. The camera control is the update for the iPhone 16 series.
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That's true, yeah. Sorry, I jumped ahead to the Pro. But yeah, because they both have the camera control, which is great. And it looks like... So what's interesting about the camera control is that it has all these different modes. It isn't just another action button. It has much more input potential than that. So it has...
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It has the concept of like a light press because it looks like it's kind of like a touch ID button where it has that metal ring around the end. And so it can sense when you're just touching it. They also said that it appears to use optical sensing from below to see like where your finger is on it and maybe how much contact it's making, like how hard you're pressing.
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So what you have is you have soft touch gestures. And you have a push in gesture and you also have swipe gestures. And so what they've done with this is all sorts of of fun new controls that I think will actually be somewhat intuitive. So one that we skipped over is visual intelligence, where it's like it's like the humane pin thing of like, what am I looking at? You know, what is this?
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Do something with it. And that is you just hold it down. And that actually makes sense because visual intelligence is like Siri in a way, and it's below the Siri button. And it's like, okay, you hold down the sleep-wake button for Siri, and now you hold down the button below it for visual Siri. I think that actually makes sense.
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And then, of course, the camera, click to launch, click again to capture. While you're in the camera mode, you can use the swipey gestures and the light touches to control different camera settings, zoom, stuff like that. That, I think, is going to be pretty great. We will talk about case implications in overtime today. Yeah, that's going to be rough.
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But other than that, we'll get to that in overtime. But I think this is going to be a fun new input. I don't think it's going to be like... I absolutely must have this right now because all of those functions are available in the UI on the screen. But it will be easier and better in certain ways.
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One way, for instance, that it will be better, besides the fact that you don't have to reach that button at certain angles and stuff, one angle you don't have to reach it in is if you're trying to use the back camera to take a picture of yourself. You don't have to reach your finger around and guess or try to hit the volume button where you're reaching your hand around in a weird way.
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Yeah, and there's a whole bunch of context like that where the camera control, I think, will just make life a little bit nicer in a lot of different occasions. So I think it's going to be a really big deal. And again, it's on both iPhones. I think it's going to be a really big deal. The only thing that I've seen some people say, like, is this going to be the future of input for all apps?
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not for the foreseeable future because while there is an API for it, which I think is great to have a day one API for third party camera apps to have all those same controls, that's great. Problem is that API only works if the app is in the foreground and running an AV capture session, which means only camera apps basically while the camera is open are going to be able to use it. So like,
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There is a lot of excitement there and a lot of advancement there. But what Apple is doing here is... communicating to the world, look at us, we have AI too. And to most of us who watch Apple very closely, we know the asterisks on that. Like number one, we know that it's not really out yet. And even when it quote comes out in a month, it'll be
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I couldn't, for instance, use it to offer, say, a speed control for Overcast. I can't. It will not work for that because I don't have an active capture session.
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Also, I don't think that works in the background. But yeah, that would definitely get rejected. So Apple has restricted the use of that to only apps that are performing capture in the foreground. So I don't expect to see most apps use that for anything, really, because you kind of can't. But...
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Even if it's only ever used in camera apps, even if you only ever use it in Apple's built-in camera app, I think that's going to be really great. And again, it's not going to be massively life-changing, but it's going to be a nice quality of life improvement. So that, I think, is the feature for this year's iPhones.
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Besides Apple intelligence, we'll see how that works, when it actually comes out, how good it is. But for right now, the camera control is the feature this year.
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Yeah, the non-pro iPhone 16 now has 48 megapixels on the main sensor. It's not the same camera. It's not the same lenses or sensor as the pro. Is it the same as the 15 pro, though? That's what wasn't clear to me.
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no the pixels are not as big and the the lens is 26 millimeter versus 24 so it's not it is does not have the same specs as the 15 pro or the 16 pro 1x camera but anyway it's a step up from the 15 for sure yeah so yeah they're doing they they brought the pixel binning trick where you know they the 12 megapixel sensor becomes 48 if you ignore color divisions and temporarily figure stuff out like so it it it they brought over that
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in beta and limited and only a subset of the features like we know all those asterisks we also know almost that entire story because they showed it all to us in june but the iphone event is for the entire world it's for world media it's for people who don't care about anything else all year from apple except the iphone and the iphone event It's for mainstream people to hear about this stuff.
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trick to increase resolution and the process that goes with that they also a bigger jump should be the new ultra wide now has variable focus macro capability larger aperture bigger pixels so the ultra wide has taken a significant step up for the non-pro phone and that and the new arrangement of the sensors now allows it to take spatial video and interestingly both phones now get the ability to capture spatial photos which
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which for some reason the 15 could not do, the 15 Pro could not do spatial photos. It could only do spatial video. Now both of these can do spatial photos as well. Oh, one other thing. When we were still in the 16 section, they briefly talked about emergency SOS and all the satellite features. They talked about how they are expanding the satellite capability to more countries.
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They have just totally not mentioned SOS pricing over time. I believe, aren't we now to the point, aren't we now at the two-year mark?
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like they're just pushing it off yeah i think i think the answer is for most of this stuff they're probably just never going to charge because as we talked about last time like if somebody's like stuck in a mountain and dies because they didn't buy their iCloud plus whatever for satellite connectivity like that's not good and apple knows that and so it seems like they're probably just never going to charge for this but they haven't had the you know the the the data or whatever to be able to commit to that yet
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So we'll see how that goes. But anyway, yeah, Emergency SOS and Find My is expanding in its coverage area.
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I love, by the way, the way that Jaws phrased this. He said, you know, even larger screens, quote, we did this while minimizing product growth. Right. That's his euphemism for the phone. We didn't make the phones bigger. Well, rather we did. We minimized how much bigger they got. So now we've learned like, you know, over time, we occasionally pick up little Apple-isms.
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You know, every company has corporate speak and custom corporate vocabulary that drives outside people nuts when they hear it. And, you know, we hear a couple, like sometimes they'll leak out into public space. You know, we could tell that obviously around the forestall era, using the term blow away as an adjective would seem to be one of the still happening.
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That's one of those things that infected the company back then and still going. So, you know, you hear about you hear certain, you know, certain apple isms will occasionally leak out. And now we know minimizing product growth, which is not about sales of a product, which sounds like a bad thing.
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No, it's minimizing product growth, which is minimizing the amount that we make the iPhone bigger, which we've tried to fit this bigger screen in.
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Well, I think we are already seeing phoneflation over the last few years. If you look at the size of the current, quote, normal-sized phone, which is, I mean, now that there's no more mini, I guess, these are the smallest phones Apple's making. The size of the, quote, small phone in Apple's lineup is probably the size of the iPhone 6 Plus, if I had to guess, right?
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And it also serves as a, you know, even for people who pay attention to the WWDC keynote, it's kind of a reminder like, hey, remember that thing we showed you three months ago? Well, now it's about to come out. So it's kind of a way to like refresh the excitement, even for people who pay attention back then.
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I mean, somebody will do the math on that. We're getting close. It's certainly heavier and thicker. It's much heavier. Phoneflation and sizing has already been happening. This is not a new thing, and it isn't a question of whether it's happening. It's absolutely happening.
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Remember how nice it was last year, one year ago, when the 15 Pro came out and it had saved some weight? And we were all talking about how nice those phones felt compared to the bricks of the previous ones. We've now lost about half that gain. Well, it's like dieting. A lot of the weight comes back. That's literally what happens.
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So in a large way, this event is not incredibly targeted at people who follow Apple regularly like us. It is really a very mainstream event, and it's made to promote the new iPhone to the world. And usually in the iPhone event, what we see largely is –
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trying to associate the new software features of the iOS update for that year with the new hardware to get people excited about the new hardware, even though many of those things are software features that aren't necessarily exclusive to the new hardware. So overall, I see why people were a little bit meh about the announcements at this event.
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Well, so they said that the A18 Pro has larger caches. So I don't know what the structure is. Like, is the cache like a separate layer?
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I actually, to me, you know, so the event went Apple Watch, then AirPods, then phones. And I think that's also the order of how interesting they are. In descending order, though. Like, I think the Apple Watch, to me, I think had possibly the most substantial update. And then I think the AirPods were in the middle, and maybe the phone is the least substantial. But...
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So what's interesting about this lens and everything, it sounds like the sensor and the optics are the same as the 15 Pro. No, no, the sensor is not the same. Well, with one exception, with the readout speed. So they call it a second-gen quad-pixel sensor. It sounds like the main and possibly only difference is faster readout, which has benefits, but it's the same pixel size.
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It's the same aperture. And as the 15 Pro and the 14 Pro... Same lens, it seems. And so just the sensor, the 15 Pro added the quad pixel binning thing over the 14 Pro. And now the 16 Pro is making faster readouts on that. So this is a good camera, but we're really not seeing massive year-over-year camera differences anymore the way we used to.
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Yes. So that is brand new. The ultra wide has a substantial upgrade in its quality and sensor. It is not the same like, you know, giant sensor and big optics as the 1X camera. It never has been and probably never can be because of things like physics. But it is a substantial upgrade, which should be good, especially for things like spatial video capture, which uses both of those sensors.
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Overall, the story here is really about Apple intelligence and software features, and the hardware is very incremental on the phone. I would say it's more than incremental on the watch, but on the phone, it's pretty incremental. So we'll get to those details, but... I am fine with how this went. I wish the phone would have been a little bit more new.
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And I actually even considered skipping the phone this year. But it should be the first time ever, honestly. So I see why people are a little disappointed by that.
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Yeah, this is great. There's a few reasons why raw files are so much bigger than JPEGs or HEX, and now I guess JPEG XLs. Part of it is that it's saving a larger range of possible values compared to a JPEG, which is limited to a certain visible range or whatever. So part of it is we're storing more precision, more depth.
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But a big part of why RAWs are so big is that they are literally uncompressed. So they are, in some cases, totally uncompressed. In some cases, losslessly compressed, which is not that compressed. There's a lot of...
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I think middle ground that, that we're exploring now as an industry in terms of like, let's compress the image perceptually the way JPEG historically has done, like, you know, perceptual image compression. So it is lossy compression, but just at a very high, you know, bit rate, so to speak. Uh, so we're not losing too much that people would actually notice, uh,
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but still try to save more range of values and like less processed values. So that way we can do things like this. And so what seems to be the case is whatever we're doing with the photographic styles, they are storing more data like that so that you can do these things after the fact.
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And that is a great direction for photography to go because raw files are, are great for what they are really for, which is not your phone, right? and not most people using them. It's for certain professional contexts. They're great for that. But for most people, something that has lossy compression, but that can store more ranges of values is potentially very useful.
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No, but if we all had very different talents than what we actually have, it could be pretty useful to us. No, this is all... This looks great. A lot of musicians do use this for this kind of purpose. So this is... It's great. It's amazing they can do it.
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And I'm glad they're working on improving things like the microphone array and different ML processes and stuff because that can often filter down to features or benefits that everyone can use, even if they aren't songwriters or movie makers or whatever else.
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Basically, yeah. Because I think they realized that everyone was using voice memos for this anyway.
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You want to talk about any orders or are we just going to plow right through?
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I'm going to get the white one, the 256, and Tiff looked at the upgrades and was like, I don't need one.
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Well, because she's already on the 15 Pro Max, so she already has the 5X camera. The other cameras didn't change enough for her to care, and...
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I did not phrase that well. I described it to her, and she's like, eh, I don't care. Maybe she'll see mine and get envious at some point, but I think she honestly just doesn't care. Again, this is a... If you have...
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fairly recent iPhone this is not like a a blow away update sorry like this it's again it's a nice incremental update and as John was saying like over time incremental updates do add up and it does become great but if you have if you have like a 14 or a 15 Pro and and you're looking at the 16 Pro, it's not that different.
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From the 15 Pro, it's almost not different at all, with the exception of the camera control. The 14 Pro, at least you get the USB-C and the lighter weight-ish, and two generations of improvements in certain areas. So the 14 Pro to the 16 Pro, it's a better upgrade. If you have a 15 Pro, the only reason we're doing this is because we're idiots and podcasters. We shouldn't be doing this.
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And the AirPods Max. Keep in mind also, like, you know, the next year we have those rumors of the iPhone Slim, which, you know, even if that might not be what everybody chooses, that's certainly going to be an interesting new thing to shake things up. So, like, that's something that's in the next year. And also, like... This year is the year of Apple intelligence.
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That's great, but the beginning of the year of Apple intelligence is not going to actually be there. And Apple intelligence is being gradually started over the course of a large chunk of the year.
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Right exactly like I so if you're thinking like I've got to jump right now to get Apple intelligence like I would say you don't and you might want to wait until like if Apple intelligence is your main driver for upgrading you might want to wait till next year because most of this year most of those features probably won't be available.
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And even if they are, they're still going to be in a fairly beta-like status for most of the year. And most of the excitement of Apple Intelligence is going to be, first of all, if it works, it's going to develop over time. This is going to be like a multi-year ramp-up. It's not going to all come in the next few months.
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So, honestly, I think this is a nice incremental upgrade, and if you want a new phone, get it. But if you're saying, I've got to get a new phone for Apple Intelligence, like... You don't need to rush on that.
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All right. Thanks to our sponsor this week, Tailscale. Thanks to our members who support us directly. You can join us at atb.fm slash join. And this week, our overtime, which is our member-only exclusive bonus topic that we do every week for members, as mentioned, is about the iPhone 16 series case situation.
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and uh there's there's some some interesting issues there to talk about so we'll be talking about that in overtime you can join to listen to hbfm join thanks everybody and we'll talk to you next week so
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As discussed in last week's After Show, where I was talking about some issues I was having with the Rivian and the even greater issues I was having getting it serviced, I mentioned that part of the reason I needed a car to go a long distance with fast charging is that I was going to a Goose concert. This is a jam band and kind of very similar to Phish in certain ways.
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It's definitely the same genre as Phish, but of course they are their own band with their own identity and their own style. But certainly the closest analog I would say is it's closest to Phish from what people would know. Anyway, so I was going to a concert upstate and hundreds of miles away, so it was a lot of driving.
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And I do want to talk about the concert, and then I'll talk about how I got there. So anyway, because this was the first time I had seen Goose in concert, I used the AirPods Pro as my earplugs, as I mentioned earlier. They did a fantastic job. Again, even better than last year. No artifacting, no imbalances whatsoever. A flawless job. I was very happy using AirPods Pro as my concert earplugs.
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I really could not tell I was wearing them most of the time. It just sounded like it was a reasonable volume. It was great. I will say Goose as a band puts on a very good show. And if you are into seeing jam band concerts, I would say definitely go see Goose if you get a chance to. It is a little bit more, I'd say a little more mainstream compatible than Phish. Yeah. Not a lot more, mind you.
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It's still a jam band. But they don't go quite as far off the deep end for quite as long as Phish tends to do. So it's a great show. First of all, just on a personal level, for a long time, I felt like Phish is my only band. And what the heck is going to happen to my enjoyment of music when that band inevitably ends at some point in the future? And I'm very heartened to see that there's more.
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Goose is now in that same genre doing a great job as well. And so it's great to see there's more bands making the kind of music that I like. So anyway, great show. They had especially an amazing and quite intense light show. My favorite thing, I strongly suggest one of the reasons to go Seagoose, in addition to the very good music, they are a really visually interesting band.
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He's also a very good guitar player. He's very good in the jams. I didn't hear a single missed note the entire time. It was quite good. Next to the lead singer is this guy, Peter Ansbach. I don't know most of the names, but I know Peter Ansbach because I follow him on Instagram. He looks like a cartoon character, like a happy cartoon character.
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If you see pictures of the band, the one who looks like a happy cartoon character, that's Peter. He is, like, the nicest guy in the world, and he's always smiling. Because he seems like a genuinely, like, just smiley, happy, positive person. Like, he's a super nice guy. And so, you have, you know, the lead singer, like, you know, looking all cool.
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Then you have Peter looking like a cartoon smiling character, like, playing keyboards on the side. Then, in the back, you have two drummers. One of them is the regular kind of drummer. The other one is an accessories kind of drummer. He has tambourines, shakers, and my favorite, a gong. I love a band with a gong. That's always a good thing. Then you have the bass player.
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cop from an 80s movie with like a long mullet and those big sunglasses and he stays like perfectly stoic and still and emotionless the and he's a good bass player like he's playing very well but like you have the entire rest of the band is these like characters and like right behind the bass player is the drummer he they just replaced their drummer a few months ago he's a new drummer to the band he is working his butt off and
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So the entire time you're seeing this amazing new drummer who is just in constant motion, like he gets really physically into it. And to be a rock drummer, it's hard enough. To be a jam band drummer, you're doing that for 25 minutes straight. Like, without a break. Like, you're doing that for a long time.
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So, like, you have this drummer who is just working his butt off, like, really physical, just banging around for 25 minutes straight. And all around him is, like, rainbow lights and smoke effects and, like, all... Like, there's just...
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chaos going on back there and in front of it is this bass player who looks like a cop just staring at you like it's just totally still as all this chaos happens behind him it is an amazing thing to see so anyway it was a very very good show strongly recommend going to see Goose and Conch if you get a chance All right. So how I got there.
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So I mentioned, you know, I my Rivian had problems with fast charging on the highway. Like I couldn't reliably fast charge without like rebooting the car and waiting and it kept throwing errors and have problems. And I believe the two of you and certainly people in the chat and listeners suggested, why don't I just rent a car for the trip?
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And so I decided, you know what, since the Rivian was being unreliable, I thought that's a good idea. I'm going on a long trip. I'll just rent something. How bad could it be?
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So I rented, you know, I went to our local enterprise branch. And of course, on the website, they list, they have all these like fun sedans and everything. And of course, then you get there and they have two SUVs and nothing else. It's like, Okay. I wish they would stop doing that. It's literally false advertising.
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Anyway, I'm not super happy with Enterprise Rent-A-Car right now, because what they rented me with the advertisement of all these sedans they didn't have and all these other fun cars they didn't actually have, and I get there and they have two SUVs. One of them was a Jeep Wagoneer, which is A bus.
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I'm pretty sure that the bus that brought my kid to school on the beach was smaller than that vehicle. It's a very large vehicle and I didn't want to pay that kind of premium. So they offered me for the sedan rate that I actually reserved. They offered me the smaller SUV, which was a few years old Ford Escape plug-in hybrid. This was my first time using a plug-in hybrid.
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Yeah, I rented the Ford Escape. Now, it was pretty old. It had like 37,000 miles, which I think is the highest I've ever seen on a rental car, not counting things like U-Hauls, which are always miserable, but just regular rental car places. So it has 36,000 miles. It's like falling apart. There's like padding is falling off of things.
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There's like different trim pieces that are just like kind of loose. It's not in good shape. It smells like a stale car. It's not a great car. But it seemed to drive fine when I drove back to my house the night before I left and was going to leave early in the morning. Okay. So I'm playing around with the plug-in hybrid part. I even charge it up in my house because I have the connector.
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I'm like, great. I charge it up and see how it goes. And I brought the family out for pizza that night. So I got a chance to drive it around town. And I decided to use only electric mode driving around town. And it was, like, decent.
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I was like, okay, it's not as good as an EV overall, but for those brief times you're driving around town before it runs out of battery, it's actually a decent option. The way I would describe it, this is not a perfect analogy, forgive me, but the way I would describe it is, like, it's almost like the way, like, a bike with training wheels is
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gives you the idea that you are riding a bike and you're like, you're kind of, but like a bike with training wheels is really not almost anything like riding a bike. Whereas like these days, a lot of kids learn on what's called a balance bike, which is basically a bike with no pedals. Because we've kind of figured, and this is how my kid learned as well.
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We've kind of figured out that the hard part of riding a bike is not the pedals. It's the balancing. It's like figuring out how to balance with the inertia and the tipping over and the turning and things like that. And so a bike with training wheels teaches you to pedal but doesn't teach you anything about the balance.
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A balanced bike teaches you the hard part, the balancing and the turning and everything. And you can figure out the pedals afterwards when you use a regular bike. Um, so we've kind of learned that's kind of a better way to teach most kids. Uh, anyway, to me, like the, the plug in hybrid is like the training wheels bike of EVs.
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Like it gives you the idea that it's, it's just like an EV most of the time, right? It's like, no. but it's better than nothing.
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We breezed over it so fast and I want to revisit it.
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I would say it's so that's you're right that like when when you are in the electric only range of a plug in hybrid, it is in the ballpark. Certainly, like you're right. It is usually the electric motors are not very strong. So you do have that problem of like it doesn't have the power of an EV. It doesn't have the torque of an EV.
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other minor things that I think make a big difference to EV drivers so for instance like you know it will usually try to mimic the same way the gas engine would drive so you have things like very strong creep like when you lift off the gas pedal and it just starts going you can turn that off in errands but I take your point oh okay the Ford Escape like it had I mean granted you know I'm used to driving electric recently so I'm not that used to it but like
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You took your foot off the gas, and it would go five miles an hour immediately. I was like, whoa, hold on. I didn't say go. It was the fastest creep I've ever seen in a vehicle, whether it was in gas or electric mode. And also, you then have all of the complexity and size and weight of all of those systems. Yeah.
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that's true so it's again like if you if your option for your needs is either gas or plug-in hybrid go plug-in hybrid like it's definitely better than better than pure gas but don't tell yourself that like all right i'm done with the ev transition now like no like you're you have a you have a halfway point there and it's a it's a decent halfway point for a lot of people but it's not the same as a full ev and you're not getting all the benefits of an ev
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Yeah. Anyway, overall, I was actually fairly impressed with this kind of stinky Ford Escape. Like, this is not a high-end vehicle, but I was kind of impressed overall with the driving until I was driving through Brooklyn, and I was stopped at a traffic light, and the car just kind of dies.
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i'm like um that's did i do something wrong here is this well this is no different than the rivian then welcome to auto stop start well one great advantage of the ford escape plug-in hybrid i don't know if this is true of all plug-in hybrids there is no auto stop start because it just uses electric at low speeds so you don't have that effect at all and and there's not even a button to turn it on or off like you just what effect the gasoline engine will still turn itself off will it not
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Well, it will when it's not being used, but it's not like auto stop start where most cars that you stop at a traffic light and then the engine just kind of stops.
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Well, and kind of, I mean, I didn't know most of that for regular hybrids, but I think the, my ideal setup, because like Casey, you're right that like around town being all electric and then just using gas on long trips is kind of the best of both worlds. Because, you know, I didn't have to think about charging at all.
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Right. But, you know, TIFF has the BMW i3 with the range extender. And the way that works, which I think is the same way the Chevy Volt worked, is it is always driven by the electric motors. There is no direct connection between the gas motor and the electric motors, not even if you floor it, not even for extra power. The gas motor can never drive the wheels.
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It is only a generator to boost the range. So the way the i3 works is you're using all electric until you hit about 20% battery. then it will turn on the gas engine and just kind of keep it there. Like it will generate enough to keep it at 20% until it runs out of gas. And it only has like a one and a half gallon gas tank.
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It's like a motorcycle engine, but it's using it as a generator to just give you more range when you get to the bottom of your electric range. And that's, that's all, you know, it has like a hundred miles of range before it even gets there. So you have a decent sized battery and then you have like 80 miles worth of range extension from using a gas generator from one and a half gallons of gas.
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I think my ideal setup for like a long range road car, if you didn't go all E.V., would be just do that, but instead of having a 1.5-gallon tank, have, like, a 5-gallon tank. Then you could go 300 miles easily, 400 miles, at least. And then you could, on a long trip, you could just stop and get 5 gallons of gas and keep going for another few hundred miles like that.
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I'm sure there's good reasons why no one ever made that, but I don't know those reasons because I think that sounds amazing. And it's literally exactly what the i3 and the Chevy Volt were, just with bigger gas tanks. But I'm sure there's probably reasons. Anyway... So, this car stalls, and everything's dead. And it's like, it won't turn back on. It's throwing errors on the screen.
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And I'm like, oh, no. This is not good. I'm going to a trip for a concert that is tonight. Like, I have to make it there, but let me just, you know... Turn it off, turn it on again. Eventually, after like 15 seconds of messing with it, I finally just got it to turn on. And I was like, okay, I'm going to try to keep going. Let's hope for the best.
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Well, a short time later, while driving on the West Side Highway in Manhattan, it dies again. And I slowly drift over, try to get to the shoulder. I have just enough power to get over to the right lane and block an entrance ramp.
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So now I'm dead again and I'm blocking an entrance ramp to the West Side Highway.
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This is not good. It takes me a... You know, I turn on the flashers. I'm trying to... And just... I'm like, all right, well, I know I got it going last time. After a few seconds, just try to turn it off, turn it back on again. Eventually, after maybe 30 seconds, I eventually got it going again. So, you know, everyone's honking behind me. I'm like waving. So, you know. So, I... I keep going.
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Eventually, you know, I'm going upstate, taking a highway off-ramp to go – I'm sorry.
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Right. And, like, I have a concert to go to that night. So I'm like, look, I can – there's Enterprises upstate. Like, if the worst case, like – I'm going to make this concert. Worst case, like maybe tomorrow on the way back, I can get a different car if I really have to, you know, by going to some local location. But like I'm not going to miss the concert. So I keep going.
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I didn't end up having to replace the car on the trip because there was just never a time where it was that urgent because I was able to get it going every time. But over the course of this trip, it stalled about 12 times like this. Oh, my word. Usually at least while it was stopped, like at a light or something. And I tried – and here, of course, I'm a nerd.
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So I'm like, I wonder if I – because you can pick – because it's a plug-in hybrid, it has all these different modes. You can have auto or you can have only use the battery mode, don't use the battery mode, and you can have make the engine run constantly to charge the battery mode.
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Yep, yep, yep. So, of course, I tried all those different modes, trying to figure out, okay, well, is it... Maybe it's misreading the battery voltage, so I'll keep the battery at a high charge level using the generate option. Maybe it's, like, you know, dying in the switchover, so I'll make it never use the battery, and that didn't work.
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I'm like, maybe I'll make it always use the battery, and then alternate between, like, always using it until it's down, then make it charge itself all the way back up. And then, like, I tried all these, because I was in this car for, like... I don't know, seven, eight, nine hours during this trip. It was a long time. So I was like, I had a lot of time to play with the different modes.
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None of them made any difference whatsoever. It just kept dying. So I did make the trip. It was fine. Eventually, I was, you know, in some pretty bad situations with this dying in the middle of busy highways and New York City and stuff. But, you know, it was...
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I did eventually make it back with all the – including it even stalled literally the traffic light right before reentering the Enterprise location to drop it off. It stalled there.
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I told them – I expressed to them my dissatisfaction with the situation. They were apologetic.
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they didn't give me a discount or anything i but i'm like look you i'm like just take this car off the road like just you have to take like you know i wasn't going to make a huge deal out of it because i don't want them to think i was making a big deal just to get like a discount or something but i'm like you got to take this car off the road like this is unsafe so anyway um the idea that renting a car might be more reliable than my broken rivian uh nope wasn't
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Nick, these guys are low energy today, you notice that? You know what we need to do? We need to f***ing gamble. Let's do it, Nick. Let's play a f***ing hand of blackjack. Let's get these guys f***ing amped.
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Nat thought he was hilarious. Oh, because of the disparity in the looks between you and Nat is what he was sort of implying.
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It sounds like you guys are in the halls of power now, and Trump has flipped his positions on EVs, abortion, and taking away a woman's right to choose. He's flipped his position on TikTok and flipped his position on crypto. I give him a ton of credit. Four flips in a month, and he just sweeps all those votes. It's pretty smart. And for the Democrats who are listening,
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You're losers, and you're not listening to people. So you're going to lose the election, and Biden's going to get demolished. Nobody wants to vote for somebody who they think is incognito. That's your bet right now, Jacob.
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I mean, did you see the video that came out this week where he was at some event, and it looked like a Mitch McConnell moment, right, where he was kind of frozen? He was like stuck. And so I don't want to make it like elder abuse, and I know...
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Yeah, he's got to bow out.
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Who knows? I think it's all going to be determined by the debates.
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We need a cognitive test. But the Democrats need to just look deeply in the mirror and say, hey, you're fielding a candidate that nobody's going to vote for. That's the problem here. And there's not enough anti-Trump sentiment. And Trump's a genius at flipping his position to get huge swaths of voters. And so you're going to get demolished if you don't hot swap them.
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So lads, what do we want to do here? We want to put 10K and then give it to one of Tim's mates who's stuck or something. How do we do this? We Mr. Beast this? We give 10K to the next time you get coffee if we win? And give it to the barista or something? What should we do?
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I guarantee you a hot swap is coming. I predicted the Trump TV flip, and I predict it now.
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And if you frame it as that, Chamath, then it's even a bigger trouncing, right? Like if you put Biden, if you put Kamala against Trump, then what would the, it would be an even bigger shellacking, yeah? In your mind?
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And listen, Biden hasn't made it to the finish line of his first term. It's obvious to everybody he's in cognitive decline. You put up a candidate who's in cognitive decline, you're going to lose. even against, you know, Trump, who people really don't like. These are the two most unpopular candidates of our lifetime.
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I think that- Oh, he's got a core, but yeah, no, people, the Republicans, including yourself, were looking for a different candidate just months ago. You said Trump was not your preferred candidate and you were all in on DeSantis. So let's not pretend like he was your preferred candidate. He's the remaining candidate.
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There's some, yeah.
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In this, we are in total agreement. Yes, there is no enthusiasm to put somebody in cognitive decline in the White House. All right, listen, we gotta get to the docket. We could talk for hours about Biden, Biden, Biden, Trump, Trump, Trump, and we will. It's gonna be a continuing topic, but let's get to a very full docket here. Breaking news, last night, Tesla shareholders have backed their guy.
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Yes, there was two important votes, measures, that Tesla just had taken with their shareholders. The first was approving Elon's pay package, the $56 billion pay package that was voided by a Delaware judge. We talked about that on episode 164 back in February. And then moving Tesla's incorporation from Delaware to Texas. This is also major.
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Yes, absolutely. We want to be in a 10K sweat with you.
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Remember, we talked last week about the Texas Stock Exchange. Here's the two charts. massive overwhelming support. There were some notable people who dissented. I think Norway's Sovereign Wealth Fund and CalPERS were two of the ones who were voting against it. Tesla share price popped 6% on the news. You don't want to lose Elon at Tesla. That would be really bad.
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So your thoughts, Chamath, on this vote and maybe the move and what that represents.
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Are these real dealers or are these AI news? We had a debate.
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Saks, you have thoughts on this outcome? Is it surprising to you? Not surprising? And then I think the jurisdiction thing is bigger than maybe people are thinking because Delaware has been the standard for incorporating companies, but Elon is putting his companies in Nevada and Texas. We saw the stock exchange last week getting back to move to Texas.
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This does seem like there's something about jurisdiction in the water. What are your thoughts, Sax?
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Yeah, pick a book. Pick a book. Somebody who feels blue collar, who wants to work for us. We need somebody who's a worker. And you have over a million followers now watching this craziness.
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Freedberg, is this a John Galt moment? Is this where capitalism, socialism, and the state collide and people now start thinking, hmm, maybe we need to create a new jurisdiction, a new framework?
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What do you think of this guy, Tim?
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when i don't have to yeah very simple because he would leave uh morals and ethics matter and you want to do the right thing and you want to incentivize capitalism to operate properly and want to incentivize the people who take on the burden of running these companies and the people who voted against it i think people should just make a list of those individuals chamar and they should not do business with that because if somebody is going to double cross you
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They've shown you who they are. These are people who double cross them. They got the benefit. And then they stabbed him in the back.
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Then you're a true scumbag.
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I'm not saying a blacklist, but I would say making a list of people who maybe you want to consider not doing business with is how I would frame it.
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And 10% being the ownership of the company that he gets. Yeah. The pay package was laughed at on CNBC by all the experts. There is no way for him to hit this stuff. If he does hit it, he's getting a fraction of the value of it. And this is why stock is such a valuable device. If employees get stock,
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and the CEO gets stock and everybody in between and retail investors get it and endowments get it and your retirement account gets it, everybody rose in the right direction. Is it perfect? No, people can buy back their stock. They can do a little gaming on the margins, but it is the most pure system we have. Everybody has a share of the company.
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So if you're a socialist, you should actually kind of appreciate how stock works that everybody has a chance to buy it, everybody has a chance to participate. This is the model we should be using for all CEOs, they should all get a massive package. If the stock goes up into the right. It's so obvious. And this was so unfair. Let's see this flipper. I want to see their explanation.
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Yeah, put a stop for $10,000. Put a stop for $10,000.
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This woman is so smug. What is her name? Karen Frost? I don't think she's smug.
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Yeah, they're trying to catch up. They've been behind on venture.
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How does a lawyer make $5 billion? How is that possible?
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When people ask, why does Delaware have this special place that everybody decided Delaware would incorporate? It was because it was predictable. Lawyers felt this was the most predictable jurisdiction that would be the most shareholder-friendly, most shareholder-thoughtful, whatever word you want to use. They would defend the shareholders, and here we are.
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It's becoming a trend. We're having very big discussions about this in the startup community of where to domicile your company, and more to come on this one. Okay, let's keep moving. Apple had a huge announcement this week, Apple has entered the chat, they announced Apple intelligence, get it AI. And they have included a chat GPT integration from open AI.
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This was really, I think, impressive in many ways because people thought Apple was far behind. It was a banger of a demo. A lot of un-Apple-like future-looking demos. So none of these demos that we're going to show are coming to your phone this week. They were really, I think, playing catch-up with Microsoft, and it worked. Stock is up 10%. They added about 300 billion in market cap.
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Now the top three market cap companies are all driven specifically by the perception that AI is going to be the next technological wave. Microsoft, Apple, and Nvidia all cruising around about $3.2 trillion. And this top three keeps flipping back and forth. Apple had past Microsoft and Market Cap. Here's the features. I'll just give you a quick overview of what we're seeing.
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It's added Grammarly-like features. Great product, Grammarly. I'm not an investor, but they added the ability to proof, get grammar help. AI will transcribe and summarize phone calls with permission, obviously double opt-in. It will prioritize notifications and iMessage and email that are super important. You can do smart replies.
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A company where an investor in Superhuman already does this kind of stuff. And they're bringing AI to Siri. And this is going to be the big win in my mind. You're going to be able to say things like you want to order something in DoorDash or Uber Eats or Instacart. And the AI Siri will be able to dip down into apps.
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They're building a whole app AI interface, much like the Rabbit device CEO talked about doing. And I think this means that Apple is going to win the AI consumer. There is a deal with ChatGPT that I'll get your feedback on, gentlemen, in a moment. According to sources, Apple is not paying OpenAI. It's a non-exclusive deal. ChatGPT can be swapped out.
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Apple is also talking to Google about a similar deal. Obviously, it doesn't take a genius to predict that Apple is going to auction off the LLM integration, I think, to the highest bidder. They did that with the search deal. Google pays Apple $20 billion to be the default search engine. That's about 5% of Apple's annual revenue, if you didn't know. And it's all profit, right?
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So this is a huge profit moment. I'm going to pause there for a second before I get into more of this and just get your general reaction, Chamath.
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Freebird, your thoughts on the vision here, at least? And to Chamath's point, Apple used to release dope stuff. fully baked, ready to go. And now we are increasingly see them talking about what's coming next year or at some point. Do you think Apple's going to win the consumer? Do you think Apple's falling behind? Should they have built their own LLM by this point?
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It's clear sacks that right now, to enable these features, you're going to have to have a pretty solid device They announced here at the keynote at WWDC that you need to have an M1 chip or better, iPhone 15 or better. So, and having all this local data is a huge advantage for Apple. They've got your messages, your phone, your calendar, your photos.
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your app behavior, the data inside of your wallet, all of this gives them a huge, huge advantage. So I guess the question is, do you think this renews the Apple franchise and people start upgrading their phones again to get all these new features, David Sachs?
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might have to there's i cannot believe we've just blackjacked that is unbelievable well tim have a good day all right tim you are a legend everybody follow tim on instagram let's get him to 10 million let's get i mean you have a future in broadcasting you are going to make millions you you went from the farmhouse oh yeah literally and here we go now you're going to be running a casino
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It turns out Apple has addressed this head on. They hear the concerns and much like when you share a photo or you share your location, it's going to ask you over and over again, do you want to let this app do this? So they're aware that this is an issue. They brought up privacy every single time, but people don't trust open AI and they do trust Apple. So this is strange bedfellows to be sure.
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Chamath, your thoughts.
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Yeah. Well, when you're behind, you know, you behave differently than when you're ahead and you have your monopoly. Freeberg, you wanted to add anything here before we move on to the next story? Okay. In related news, OpenAI... has hit a run rate, and this is kind of stunning, of $3.4 billion. That means they've roughly doubled their monthly revenue in the past six months or so.
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These are not official numbers. OpenAI is denying them. But here's a chart that somebody put together based on all the different leaks and approximations of what OpenAI is making. The reason this makes no sense, this chart, and it shows a year, and then it shows a month, a month, a month, a month, is because there's been different leaks at different points in time.
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But just to normalize this, in 2022, for all of 2022, before... They really had a lot of customers, 28 million, and now on a $3.4 billion run rate. Again, it's a pretty stunning number if it's true.
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And so if we were to even look at the number of people who work there, 770, if you put that at 500,000 a person, some engineers getting a couple of million, some people maybe getting less, they're probably only got a half billion dollars in salaries a year. Who knows what they're spending on the infrastructure for this?
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If you were to do evaluation on this, everybody knows they sold a bunch of shares in secondary at around 80 billion, which means they're trading at, if these numbers are true, 25 times for revenue, which is close to what Nvidia is trading at right now. Obviously, they're two very different businesses. So your thoughts on this as a SaaS company?
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Obviously, the majority of this revenue is consumption-based. Some portion of it is SaaS-based, reoccurring, like subscriptions we pay for At launch, my venture fund, we pay for 6,000 a year to have all 20, 25 people on ChatGPT as a corporate account. Maybe it's 250, 300 a year per person. So what do you think of this business, Saks, and how fast it's growing?
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Obviously, some of it's API consumption-based, not reoccurring. Some of it is reoccurring.
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I think you should have Tim's blackjack. You should have your own brand. We could build a whole brand on this. Tim.Nacki on Insta. T-I-M dot N-A-K-I.
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So you would compare this business to Amazon Web Services, Google Cloud, Azure. That's really the business here.
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We'll find out eventually. Chamath, your thoughts on OpenAI's surging revenue?
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Yeah. And like we said, that 15K we won. That's yours for you and the missus. Go on vacation. No, no, no, no. We said it. We said it. We want you to do something. Go with it. We're already cashed up. You take that 15K. You take the missus out. You get some first class tickets. You meet them up in Italy. And then let's go. That's it. Come to the summit.
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The average revenue per user, ARPU, per year is single digits, maybe it hits double digits, as opposed to the United States where it could be triple digits, right?
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Okay, Freeberg, you I don't know if you got to see Sonny's talk liquidity last week, but he talked about how many of the CIOs CEOs are looking for open source solutions here. 80% of them want to go open source, they don't want a proprietary model to invest in. But the best model right now is a proprietary model. So what do you think about open as revenue surge? Is it sustainable? Or are there 20?
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Better open source projects that are going to be death by 20 open source project cuts? and schmucks general feeling here that, hey, it's not ready for primetime yet. It will be but we're in the AI dial up era, to use an analogy here, hey, you can see the promise, but it kind of sucks in terms of reliability, maybe open AI is AOL.
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We could play some. Oh, we could have a whole session.
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You do have to do that stuff. Yeah, so we pulled the source.
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Yeah, you got to come to Orland Summit for sure. Yeah, get the misses. Take the 15K. Two first class tickets. Get yourself set up in a nice hotel and we will see you there. All right, everybody. Let's get to the docket. Well done. Tim.
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It's the same thing for the enterprise, Chamath. You can just sign up and for 20 bucks a month, you can have your whole organization on it.
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So we took the time to set up the corporate. It's really easy. And then anybody with your domain can sign up and let you track it. But it doesn't consolidate. That's what I'm looking for. Chamath is the ability to consolidate all the searches in one place and everybody can share their searches. But like I said, the application layer is doing right in some ways.
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Definitely makes everybody bionic. I agree.
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If there's an internal tool and an internal people are really getting dependent on this, and they use it constantly. We're on our investment team meeting, we're evaluating a company for real estate brokers, we're evaluating a company for therapists and like tools and SaaS products for those type of people.
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And when I asked them, well, how many what's the total addressable market, boom, three or four researchers and analysts on my team are doing that search, finding sources and saying there are this many therapists, this many social workers, this many real estate brokers, as many buyers, And then I'm saying, well, did you source that? And they're like, yeah, of course.
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And one of them was like, well, I asked Claude. I asked Gemini. I asked ChatGPT. I asked them all for sources. I cross-referenced them. So they have three of these things open. And so just everybody's knowledge level goes up, but you do have to check it because one out of four facts is probably wrong or cited wrong. And so it's going to be... I think one out of four is about the right number.
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Well, think about it. If somebody's salary is $100,000 and these cost $1,000 to have five of them, of course I'd pay for five.
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Consumption and metered API usage, yeah. That enterprise is really powerful.
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Anyway, this is going to make people bionic. I think all organizations will have the same number of people for the next couple of years. And then just individuals will get better and better at their jobs. And so efficiency is going to go way up. Speaking of efficiency, the market is ripping. We're going to get a little macro here in three acts. Inflation has been broken, I think it's safe to say.
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We're down at 3.X, 3.3, lower than expected. And hiring wages are surging and stocks are surging. So let's go through it here and get the besties take on the vibe session.
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Yeah, I agree. I disagree as well. Disagree with it. Let me go through the numbers and then you can all disagree. That's how that's how this works, folks. Inflation print came in at 3.3%, lower than expected. Here's your 10-year chart. Super easy to explain what's happening here. Rates were low for a long time. Inflation cruising at about 2%. And then lunatic spending during COVID.
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And we added $8 trillion to the national debt. And then Biden added a bunch. Everybody getting those STEMI checks and PPP loans. And so if you look at inflation here, we were just cruising along at 2%. Massive spike up to 9% year-over-year inflation. And now coming back down to 3.X%. And the question is, can we get to a two handle? And the rates went up faster than ever in history.
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Here's the Fred chart. You can see there in, and this goes from the 80s. You see that massive spike when they tried to break the back of inflation previously. So this is the fastest ever gone up. And here we go. The common sentiment here is that savings has been burned off and people are starting to have debt. And so now we are in act two, the lowest unemployment rate of our lifetime continues.
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If you believe those numbers, some people do, some people don't. Labor Department reported 272,000 new jobs in May, smashing, crushing the 190,000 estimate.
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uh and then act three average hourly wages up a massive four percent from last year at 35 an hour that also topped estimates so if inflation is at 3.x and hourly earnings are at 4.x maybe consumers will start feeling better about the economy eventually they obviously uh have been pretty shocked by that nine percent inflation and only four percent growth here's your chart from fred
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of the hourly earnings of all employees. And you can feel pretty good about that. Everybody's wages keep going up. The question is, do they go up faster than inflation? Okay, so there's my framing of the situation. Freiburg, tell me what I got right. Tell me what I got wrong.
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And it is true for the federal government. just to point out here what you're saying, the goal was to, in fact, increase the interest rate to cool the economy, right? Which they got too late, but that was the goal. That was the explicit goal was to cool the economy.
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Yeah, you know what happened was somebody emailed me and they're like, hey, that's my mate that you talked about. He's a big fan of the show. It turns out, you know, this is the thing about influencers now. This is the thing about this micro-celebrity stuff. We all know each other by default, right? Yeah. So he was just slid into the DMs. There's definitely camaraderie. Yeah, that was awesome.
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Yeah, that's- I'm saying this is very hard on people. Chamath, what's your take on this? We have a slowing GDP growth. We have inflation going from nine down to three. We have wages going up 4%. How do you make sense of all this? Do you feel like... Sorry, Freebrook, are you saying we're going to have stagflation or... We have stagflation right now, definitely.
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So here is total job openings. To your point, Shamath, they're getting burned off, we peaked at 12 million. Again, if you believe the numbers are not there, they obviously have some value. And we've burned off a ton of those. So sex, what's your non political, nonpartisan take first principles of what's going on with the economy?
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That's awesome. I'm so glad he won. And, you know, he basically got smashed in his DMs, like a thousand people DMed him. Oh, you're on all in. They're bugging out to you on all in. And so, yeah, I just said, hey, would you do a hand? Would you do your live hand with us? And then I didn't I didn't I wanted to clear with you guys before I put our money on it or whatever.
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Betting markets had a 70% chance of two rate cuts before Powell spoke. Afterwards, now it's one rate cut. Dow, record high again. This past week, and NASDAQ record highs each of the last month for the last four months. So the market, putting aside individual stocks, has broken records almost every month for the last three.
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NVIDIA, Microsoft, and Apple.
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But I couldn't do that because I wanted to surprise you.
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And to remind everybody, maximum employment, stable prices, moderate long-term interest rates is the mandate for the Federal Reserve. They're supposed to be independent. Famously, Reagan pushed Volcker to get rate cuts. And there is a lot of politics involved in this. And so legacy does seem like The organizing principle here, I would agree with Chamath and Sachs, that it's legacy.
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But there's always political pressure here, as you can see. Elizabeth Warren is trying to push him to make cuts for obvious reasons.
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And then there's a letter writing like Elizabeth Warren's doing here, right? So the pressure can be there. The question is, do they bow to it? Right, sex?
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My position is I think he might have already stuck the landing. I think like the fact that we've burned off all that savings to your point, Shamath, that people are going back to work and that these businesses are doing fantastic and efficient because of AI and other gains. It feels like all the record that he, I think he's stuck the landing already.
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They're trying to go back to work, but the jobs don't exist. Yeah. I think they're going to take jobs. They just might get the job they want. And that's what I think people have to recognize is they have to take a job and they may not be the one that they want working from home.
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We'll find out. All right, everybody. This has been another amazing episode of the All In podcast.
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Okay, best wishes to Peter and his sister. Help out if you can. And you're in our thoughts and our prayers.
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been busy having some adventure, Sax. Seems like you were busy last week. Anything to report from your side of the world?
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So it's exhausting to be against Trump for eight years. Like, this has been exhausting. I think they've exhausted folks.
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What were some of the greatest hits? What did he hit on? Did he hit on low pressure from showers? Did he... Because I know he's got like some things he hits on that are relatable. Was it all like... specific crypto topics, tech topics?
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I mean, they're very good looking. Huge IQ. And I mean, look at him.
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Chamath, your thoughts before this goes on for an hour?
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Freeberg, your thoughts on all this?
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No, I know. Just big picture. I want to know why Chamath didn't wear a tie.
Farm4Profit Podcast
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Join Corey. You boys want some popsicles? David. So Tanner, what I really got to know, is the juice worth the squeeze? And Tanner. All right, it's about time to wrap this baby up. They're my favorite, like Farm for Fun. It's time to put aside the stress of the work boots, sit down, grab your favorite adult beverage, and listen to the boys from Farm for Profit. Yay, it says applause.
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I don't want to turn this into an episode about your dad and uncle, but I am genuinely curious. They farmed. How did they get into doing what they're doing? Because everyone knows that. Yeah.
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Would you rather plant corn or plant soybeans? Oh, yeah.
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Can I do both? I can run the cab from the studio?
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So we do a lot of succession planning episodes and things like that. Obviously, you guys are a farm, but then you also have a media business as well. Have you guys started that? Are you going to take over the reins someday? No, we have not talked about that at all.
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That's the crazy thing about media is, you know, if you're farming – You either got to take over that farm or go find a bunch more acres to start your own. Media, there's a bunch of room. You can just carve out your own little space on the side and run in parallel.
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I think it's the best I've ever felt on the morning of a Farm Progress Show.
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don't know if that was any shorter it was exactly the same it was more entertaining and i would just just say that i just wanted i listened to podcasts outside of ag and i think ag is no different than everybody else we're all humans right i want to be entertaining and be barstool-esque and espn you know like that to to ag and so i'm a very social person
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Hydrating for today because it's the big one today.
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And I had a bunch of friends and then COVID just kind of grounded. It grounded a lot of people. And that was my social hour was with that. And then it just stuck, you know, and I still look forward to it. It's kind of my mental health away.
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July, five years? Yeah. What is that in dog years, or what is that in podcast years?
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It was once a week, started out. Actually, they were going every other week. Then they went to once a week, and then we just could not get content out fast enough. Our list of guests and everything kept growing, so we had to go to twice a week. We could go every day, probably.
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All right. No music? No music. All right. Here we go. Today on the Farm for Fun show from the 2024 Farm Progress show here at the John Deere booth, we meet up with a first-time guest of the podcast. You may have heard his last name before. but he's looking to blaze his own trail in agriculture. He's a fifth-generation farmer from South Dakota.
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How come we didn't make the top five things to do at Farm Progress Show, your interview?
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We get it. You can't please everyone. And when you're in this position, I mean, Tanner's brain gets so scrambled at these things because he's a scheduler by heart. And, like, yeah, it's about fried by the end of the week trying to think of all the – you should see the schedule we have. Every conversation, every bathroom break, every food intake is scheduled.
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And if we didn't have Tanner doing that, we would be screwed. Actually, this would have been dead at the start. Dave and I aren't that organized.
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And sometimes a golf cart really doesn't make you any faster in the crowds that are here. No, it's bad. You go like one mile an hour probably.
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You may have recently seen his content all over the socials. Please welcome Mr. Zach Hefty. Woo! Welcome to the show, buddy.
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It is the best thing. It is one of the most premier networking events, I mean, ever. Gosh, I can't tell you the amount of friends that we've made there. And then we got a lot. It's weird. Social media is weird, right? Like, you're my friend, but this is the first time we've ever met, right? Like, this is kind of weird. And it's just a cool place to sit down and chat in person.
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You should have seen what I had to do to get parked. I had to go through the ditch off of Highway 30 and run in here because Tanner does not do intros.
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You'll really appreciate the shop, too, because I'm pretty sure it's air-conditioned. It can hold, like, 500 people. And then he's got, like, a secret, like, hangout room with a golf simulator, a bunch of cool bourbon and all this stuff. So he's a pretty cool dude.
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you know we're a little jumpy and they're just they're just so smooth and that's because we farmer it finesse we don't run this all day and we go get in one and we think we know what we're doing and they have those sites all across america and probably the world and it's just like 160 acres out there of bare dirt and they're just spraying water all day with sprayers just putting hours on stuff yeah you know testing and they planted you know they're planting all day and
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Anyway, welcome. Let's get a background about yourself. I think everyone knows the last name. If you're an agricultor, everyone knows the last name, but they might not have heard your first name. Yeah. So I'm Zach Hefty.
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And we got to run, not the Innovation Center, but we got to go out to the John Deere Classic and run the little excavator with the world's largest putter. Yeah. And how is that? I made it my first time.
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Does a full 360 like a driver. Actually gets air underneath the golf ball.
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So we didn't know what to expect. Tanner's a golfer. I whack the ball around a few times a summer in just like four-person bat shots. Dave does not golf.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And we were supposed to go down to the NCBA with John Deere in our contract. That wasn't going to work, so we just pivoted to that, and we're like, that sounds cool. I've never been to a professional golf tournament before, and you're seeing these PGA guys play, and we just walk in, and it was a great experience. I would suggest anyone to go. They really run it fantastic.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Even if you're not a golf fan, there's concerts. They really have kind of set it up for everybody.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I really enjoyed, we got to interview one of the grounds crew. And I'm an agronomy nerd myself, graduated from Iowa State University. A lot of their grounds crew graduated. Iowa State has a fantastic turf management program. There's agronomy in everything, right? There's agronomy here at the show. I see people planted some corn over there.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Someone had to literally come and plant corn here three weeks ago to make it look like that planter was planting. It's crazy the amount of thought that goes into it.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Exactly. It's just a visual. But the cool thing about that tournament is John Deere, a lot of the flack that we get is John Deere doesn't... People say, why does John Deere have a golf tournament? That's stupid. they don't realize they raise money for over 500 charities or 400 charities.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And last year they raised over $14 million, you know, like the impact that they have locally and across the country. It's, it's crazy. So that's what that tournament is all about. Yeah.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yep. Oh, they were just, and they had custom hats just for the, it said, what did it say? Deer Run Agronomy or something.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I'm like, you can't. I'm like, come on. That'd be a cool hat.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah. That was one sliding a koozie under the table did not work.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah. I got a caddy hat. Yeah. And those felt special. Yeah. Okay. So we know that this takes a lot of time, this media business. It's a lot of rigmarole. I mean, it's nice because our phones, we can work from anywhere. But how do you guys manage the farm? Do you have, like, a lot of employees back there? Because I know how much it takes to be in recording every day.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Everyone wants to go farm. They want to run the tractors. For five seconds. Really, it's three months out of the year that we're really in the tractors a lot.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah. Talk about the hefty field day. We've never been up to it. We've wanted to go. Do you have much part in that?
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
The only thing I ask why one day is because I don't come to these shows for, I mean, I like seeing the big combines and that, but I do it for this, the networking, right? So, like, I hear one day and I'm like, when do we get together with everybody, right? So, what's the game plan? Do you come in the day before?
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Oh, man. It was special. So tell me about the story then.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
He's like, I'm going to... No, no, that was Nebraska.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I had a half-smoked cigarette on top of my dresser, mold on the walls in the shower, and
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And you stepped in and it was like you stepped into a pool room and it was just humid and the air condition had been running completely. It was just like woofta.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Oh, yeah. That's probably out towards Sturgis, right? Yeah, it's right by there. Yeah, they're all kind of close together. I actually had a great aunt that lived out there in Rapid City. I forgot about that. Yeah. We're getting dripped all over.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, wrap it too. People have honestly told us to do that. And so we built a studio last year, our own permanent spot in an old Casey's General store. But we were actually looking at a bus one time because then it could just be kind of mobile, have everything set up in there. Yeah. And it's still not taking it out of the realm of possibilities, but I don't know.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
They want us on a road show, but I don't know if we would like each other as much as if we had to – Sleep in the bus together.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So it's your dad and your uncle that run the Hefty Brothers that everyone knows. And so you grew up with that. Did you grow up helping on the farm?
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I do like that. We've interviewed a couple of ag aviation pilots. They're wild.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So how do we get Farm for Profit and the Hefty team to start working together? That's what we need.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
We like Acres TV. We just haven't put anything on there yet, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, we can talk more about it.
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
put stuff on other platforms we'll just say that some hires and things like that so yeah we were just that really was it was just we were physically out of i mean max capacity i guess of what we could do and it's like man that's one other thing it was an experiment how much can we do and probably got too far extended and now we're we're uh gonna make up for that yeah that's great yeah this has been a lot of fun and appreciate you doing it first thing in the morning
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
He had the word balance in there at first, and I told him to switch the word to juggle because it's not always a balance.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse being close to home, like 10 miles from here. I like to go out to the trade show and go get a meal with a prospect or one of your partners and network. But now I'm expected to be home and get the kids on the bus and do that kind of thing.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And, I mean, there's different ways of doing that, right? Like Tanner's wife is going to be at the after party getting things ready for us this afternoon. Mine's running my business all week. Yours is running your business, and mine is going to work providing health insurance and then taking care of the girls afterwards and all that. So it's like there's different ways to do it.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I was genuinely interested in that because his dad and uncle are probably some of the first, I would call, in social media. Even though social media wasn't, I mean, they've been on TV.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Mine's a nurse at the school, and she went from the hospital there just so she could have the same schedule as the girls. Took a major pay cut, but –
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Right? For a long time. And I just wondered what a kid coming up, because it feels like everything now, influencers are kind of a first gen thing. And we've never been through it. We found it mid-life. So I just wanted to hear how that life was coming up.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
It's not going to be a shower, but it'll be a full outfit.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Everyone wants to go farm. They want to run the tractors.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Really, it's three months out of the year that we're really in the tractors a lot.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
There you go. So what do you all do now? I mean, there's a lot of things under the hefty umbrella, right? What is it you do under there?
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
So have you done anything with the Hefty Seed brand or in their Hefty Seeds and all that kind of – what else is there under? Acres TV kind of stuff? Yeah.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Two years, Dave. Or one and a half. Okay. I got it.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And Dave's gets a lot more comments than this one. Yesterday, walking around, Tanner and I had those shirts on. Love your shirt, love your shirt. So just start that conversation.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And we can tell you that Dave had probably the personality that would wear something like that. Tanner and I, we were like, what are we going to do with this? What do we call those, paisleys? This is called Austin Flowers. Austin Flowers, yeah. We would not normally wear that out in public, but it was a little nerve-wracking the first couple times.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
But I'll tell you what, I think it's pretty cool now.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
I will say what we did change was these are... thick australian cotton these are like uh sunday swagger actually sunday crew uh makes them it's a golf shirt you know it's very nice if you wanted to double up the mission statement sunday swagger sunday crew is all about uh melanoma awareness yes 50 spf yeah yeah let's do our good things
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F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Yeah, it's a lot. And I feel terrible like when I'm sitting staring at my phone and my dad and my brother are looking at me like, let's go, let's get this truck loaded, let you know. It's like, okay.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
He was sitting in that chair yesterday with just a Jackson thing. But he's always professional when he gets on the mic.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
Not like it's TikTok. Everyone wants to know, is he really like he is on TikTok? If you get a few keystones in him.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Zach Hefty AKA "Prince Hefty"
And it was funny to see John Deere come around to that, because at first they were like, nope, don't want anything to do with that. And then they met him, and it's like, oh, yeah, he can come up here.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Shawn Feikema - Feikema Farms
What is triticale? It's a cross between wheat and rye.
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F4F - Shawn Feikema - Feikema Farms
I took a picture of the shirt. He's investing a ton of money into that.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Shawn Feikema - Feikema Farms
And what did he say? $30 million. He says, I'm personally backing it or something. Yeah.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Shawn Feikema - Feikema Farms
Any of that decision-making come from, uh, carbon as well, or CI scores or anything?
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Shawn Feikema - Feikema Farms
came from laverne minnesota ford dealership up there really herman motors just rusted out or what no it was black betty is black and chrome rocker panels dual exhaust he saw the tiktok i sent you guys last night about the crappy truck and the girls like that you know all right before we get into you what was your what was your first vehicle sean oh it was uh uh i can't remember the year
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Shawn Feikema - Feikema Farms
I had an old Danger Ranger. Danger Ranger. Yeah. Ford FN Ranger? Yeah. Ford FN Ranger. Uh-huh. Blue in color. Oh, yeah. 800 bucks. Ford from the beginning. I had a Ford from the beginning. Yep. I've been through all the brands, though.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Shawn Feikema - Feikema Farms
Well, the cattle market's been a lot better than the row crop market for you, probably.
Farm4Profit Podcast
F4F - Shawn Feikema - Feikema Farms
I've had a couple clients that have said that, and they're like, well, we'd like to move our 2,000 acres to here. Can you find us 2,000 more? I'm like, well, all connecting? Yeah. Like, this is not an easy feat to do, you know? But they bought it way back when, when it was, you know, 50 bucks an acre. And so now they're ready to cash out and move somewhere else. But, yeah.
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The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
We'll be coming in just two weeks to start the build ahead of the event. So we've got acts such as McFly. We've got Sam Ryder. We've got Melanie See. It's a whole host of music acts. But obviously the sort of main draw is the food from top chefs across the country. Dishes from Seven Pounds. Amazing dishes, I might add. We got a taste of those in Marlow last month.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
I can promise you that they're going to be very exciting. And also, actually, this year we have some new local music acts, which we did not have last year.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
Wherever we bring Pump in the Park, we want to get the local community involved. So to have somebody that's got a ready-made roster of great talent locally and to bring them on stage with people like Mel C and Sam Ryder and sharing that space is not just incredible for them but also for us and show that we actually have the local community in our mind when we come to these amazing spaces.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
You know, it will be a huge stage in front of, you know, thousands of people that are waiting to just enjoy a great weekend in the sunshine.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
What else is going to be different? So I think the biggest thing that you'll notice is new menus. So the menus this year across the restaurants, we've got some new restaurants, we've got some updated restaurants. We've also got our chef specials. So each of our restaurants has been sort of challenged with creating
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
A pub in the park special, something you won't get in their restaurants or anywhere else. They're a little bit more expensive, but they're a little bit bigger. The chefs have got creative with ingredients. Ginger wings, for instance, have got some caviar on top of their chicken wings. So, you know, they've kind of got all out. So it's very exciting for that. We've got our fire pit demo stage.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
So you'll see live fire pit cooking from some incredible people, including DJ BBQ. And he's also bringing his restaurant. So his restaurant is like none of the others because he's got a huge fire pit next to it. It's being served to you fresh from the barbecue. There's no sort of reheating or anything like that. It is off the barbecue that day. So I think that is very exciting.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
He was at Marlow and yeah, there's a huge sort of DJ set that's going alongside the cooking as well. So it's a very, very experiential sort of moment for people to kind of take part in. So I would definitely recommend sort of stopping by his area. My stomach is rumbling already. You're holding on to yours, I notice as well.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
One of the things that we really wanted to do this year was really focus in on each location. Ten shows, as you might imagine. It's quite a lot to get through in a year. And what we really wanted to do was get under the skin of these great towns that we're coming back to. So we're coming back to Marlow, Chiswick, St Albans and, of course, Reigate.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
And Reigate is relatively new for us in terms of location. So Marlow's been, you know, since the beginning, Chiswick from the second year, St Albans from the second year. And I think for us, Reigate is that perfect pub in the park town for us. It's not too big. You don't necessarily have lots and lots of huge events here.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
But actually what we want to do is kind of bring a bit of something special to the community, have great music acts. It is a stunning setting here. You know, you've got the beautiful hills in the distance. You've got great access as well. So the other thing that's challenged for quite a lot of locations is car parking. But here you've got great train access.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
You've got public transport, which means that people can come on foot and actually really enjoy themselves. Whereas some of the other locations we've gone in the past have been a challenge to get to. And I think, you know, here, I mean, you've kind of got a bit of everything. You've got a great high street. You've got this great park.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
You've got great surroundings and great villages and towns locally as well, which hopefully will all be coming to join us on the weekend.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you look at the way that our sessions run across the weekend as well, so Friday, we're Friday evening only, so you've got people that will be arriving earlier, they'll want something to snack on, they'll want, as you say, maybe a nice drink in the sunshine beforehand.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
Saturday is interesting because it's split over two sessions, so four hours in the afternoon and four hours in the evening. So we close, you know, everybody leaves and vacates the session and then they'll go into the town, they'll enjoy some food. Some people may even be coming back for the evening session for Pub in the Park, which we definitely do see.
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42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
But actually a lot of those people will be going out looking for some drinks to carry on the party, you know, looking for something really, you know, to have a substantial meal for. And again, likewise, people are then coming for the evening session. We'll be doing exactly the same, but the other way around. And then Sunday, we've got a really long session.
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42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
So it's one till seven and people tend to sort of come in and out on a Sunday session is what we see anyway. So they'll come in maybe for a couple of hours, one till two. explore the food, look at some of the demonstrations. They'll nip back home, you know, change of clothes and come back for the party later.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
So, yeah, you will see a lot of people sort of coming and going, to your point, from the station.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
We've had lots and lots of great support. I met with Helen from Reigate and Banster Council earlier today. She's really excited about the event. We've loved working with her and the team. Everyone's been super supportive. We've also worked with a load of local organisations this year. Your marketing team have been helping us outreach into the community.
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42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
You might see that we've got flies in a number of shops that want to support us. And again, we've got a lot of returning visitors year on year. so obviously this is only the second year of this show, so to have so much of that support coming back means we did something OK last year, and hopefully we can prove that we can do even better this year with an even better line-up.
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42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
Some names I haven't mentioned, actually, so we've got Gabrielle coming on the Sunday, we've got the Hoosiers, we've got Jay Rayner, who is, whilst a very well-known food critic, also has his own... He's got his own band, isn't he? Yeah, it is Jay Rayner, Sextet, Skating for Girls, McFly, MLC. The Blue Tones have just been announced as well, actually, so they're coming on the Friday evening.
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42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
so yeah it's very exciting i mean the chef demonstrations i think as well are really not to be missed i think sometimes at our shows because it can be quite a lot to take in when you sort of walk through those gates and you know there's going to be food and you know there's going to be music and i think what's often missed is all of those extra sort of additional demonstrations learning to cook with the pros you know tom carriage will be demonstrating just all of these incredible people that will just be showing their expertise and um
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42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
And again, the fire pit, I think it's one not to be missed because I think it's so visual to see those flames and that great food and the smells, just incredible.
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42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
Yeah, so tickets are available, pubintheparkuk.com. You can also check out the full line up there. You can see the chefs. We haven't got the day splits yet for which chefs are coming on which day, but that will be announced very soon. Everything's on the website and hopefully we'll see you there.
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42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
The main thing they need to do is, one, be courteous. So, you know, if you are arriving, if you are leaving, respect the area that we're in. It is incredible here. You know, look after your rubbish. Take that home, definitely. If our visitors are kind to the town, then hopefully the town will be kind to us.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
42: Earlswood’s mass cycle ride and Reigate’s Pub In the Park plans… and more
But ultimately, in order for us to come back, we just need you to come and experience it and hopefully come back next year.