Ken Coleman
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The Dr. John Delony Show
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Oh, yeah. I mean, there's no question that financial freedom makes dealing with this a lot easier.
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This other stuff. Yeah. Well, that's a good segue. U.S. Surgeon General under the Biden administration, this is a direct quote, widespread loneliness in the U.S. poses health risks as deadly as smoking up to 15 cigarettes a day, costing the health industry billions of dollars annually.
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I would also say a little bit of research would yield that there's billions of dollars of productivity being lost in American companies as well. I would say hundreds of billions of dollars. Loneliness increases the risk of premature death by nearly 30%. And it's revealed that poor social relationships had a greater risk of stroke and heart disease.
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So people that just have very, very poor relationships, meaning nonexistent or the ones that exist are very unhealthy. That's unbelievable. The greatest cause of loneliness is often considered to be a lack of meaningful social connections. This was interesting. It went on to list several factors. I'm bringing this one up because one of them was transitions. Yeah.
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You talk a lot about the digital stuff and the phones, and it was one of the main causes, which is we can just be distracted by all of our electronic and digital devices. But the one that stood out to me was transitions.
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And one of those is you just pack up and move. That's one. So I was thinking about that. So meaningful connection, it's not happening because of a transition. So maybe you've moved across country or one state over or a county over. Mm-hmm. Then there's your kids change schools. I've been through that one.
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When you're a parent of a kid and you get locked into a school, there's community that you just become a part of. And then you transition. Now it's like, oh. And so Stacy and I went through that. We had great community at our oldest son's school. Our middle son was there. He decides he wants to go to another school. He does.
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And I remember showing up the first couple of football games and we were just kind of like, Stacy and I together felt like, oh, I just don't know anybody. We sat over here. So I'm pointing this out to say, if you're watching this or listening and you're in a state of transition, maybe a divorce, whatever the transition is, I'm going from here to here.
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That jumped out to me, John, because I think we kind of look at the other culprits of lack of meaningful connections.
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So what's that look like? Give us a real practical—pick a transition, go first. What's that look like?
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85% of affairs start at work. Workplace, baby. When does risking, not just your marriage, but your job?
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Yeah, there's got to be something.
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This is the data. 85% of affairs start at work. Workplace, baby. One in five employees confess to being unfaithful with a colleague. When does risking, not just your marriage and your relationship with your kids, But your job.
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Yeah, you've got to be friendly. You've got to go be weird. And then figure out who do I actually want to be friends with. All right. I'll put you on the spot. Okay? Just describe. It doesn't have to be fancy. What do you want?
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Well, I'll just say real quick to that. The reason I ask that question is because now you know what you need. So now you know what you're looking for. And those friends are going to be very rare because you need a truth teller. Someone who's very blunt. They're very comfortable with confrontation because confrontation doesn't require anger.
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Confrontation is just simply I'm going to confront what I see and what I hear, and I'm going to throw my point of view at it. So not everybody's comfortable with that. So as you begin to navigate relationships with other men out there, you ask enough questions. You're so inquisitive that you figure out pretty quickly, oh, this guy, he's not that.
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So if you're needing somebody like that in your life, you got to search them out. But the way you do it is not walk around going, hey, what's your level of confrontation? How do you feel about that? No, it's just you're finding out, okay, where would some of those men be, by the way? But I also think you have to be the guy.
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So I think that idea there, it's... Yeah, and I just add one thing.
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I wrote that down. I can't say that enough. And you got to do it enough. Right. Not just go first, but keep showing up.
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We're talking about this feels like a massive risk.
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So I want to dig. And this is fun because while I know you and I know a good amount about you, I do not know about specific pain from your past. And I really believe – That our pain, of course, shapes us. But I know it drives a lot of people like us. And I'm sitting here today going, in the middle of therapy, going, my drive is completely from some past pain. So I want to know, what drives you?
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What's going on there?
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Yeah, that's the motivation.
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Was that a result of comparison? Meaning you saw that with your brother and sister or was it, and I'm not trying to pick on parents. Well, I'm not, I don't know. I guess my question is, is that a result of the comparison or is it more a result of something your mom or dad said or did that you felt like, oh, I'm on the totem pole and I see where I'm at. They put me there. I'm curious.
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Was it a wounding moment?
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He thought punk rock and he was scared. Does he think you're gonna be a criminal?
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A little toilet paper after the football game on Friday night. There you go.
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So now doing what you do, plus you've been in therapy, what is the voice that came from that or the wound that came from that? Because you said you locked in on that.
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He's not going to support me.
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So what do you think looking back? that you felt in that moment? What is that voice that developed out of that?
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So that was the alternative. Right.
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I want to follow up to where we are because I know in this room, even though I'm looking at these men and women and there are some confident people, but I just know from the data that one of the biggest search terms in the world of work is imposter syndrome.
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Okay. And I was going to say I've got my insecurity. So I want to ask you, what is that insecurity? What's that? You say that.
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Let me ask you this. Putting you on the spot, but you and I sit in this stupid role that we get to play and get paid for it. It's the last great loophole of mankind as YouTuber dudes. I know, right. Where people, for whatever reason, care about what we say or they look at us and go, okay.
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But I just have found that every biography I've ever read of a great woman or a great man, every biography, every one of them, There's enormous strength that you end up learning about, and that's why they got a book about it. But the strength came from massive struggle, massive struggle. I don't care if it's Abraham Lincoln. I don't care who it is.
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What are you struggling with right now that you're willing to share?
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Of course it happens at work. Right, because you're not getting it somewhere. And so now all of a sudden you start to project that, and you might actually get it from another unhealthy worker. That's what I'm hearing. Because my point is, don't we know that that's a risk and yet we still go, oh, I just feel so good?
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So that's that constant struggle?
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It's y'all two versus the customer. It's y'all two versus the salesman. Right. And by the way, everybody's got their makeup on. Everybody looks pretty good.
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We're smiling. We're joking. We're flirting, whatever.
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It feels like when I saw this data, John, I guess that's what I'm asking. I don't want to be judgmental. I'm not judging. But I'm wondering— Because what I want to get to is how do we guard against this? You know, I was raised in a world where it's like you never ride in a car with a woman that's not your spouse. I was raised in a world like you don't have a meeting in a room with a closed door.
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You know, like all those things. And thankfully, Dave and I are exactly the same on that. But that was drilled into me. Gotcha. That seems insane. Yeah. To a lot of people. I will tell you, there will be people who watch this and it will immediately create conversation, which I'm fine with.
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That was a really great, wise answer, and I was just thinking of an Amy Grant lyric. Yes. Stop for a minute, baby, I'm so glad you're mine. Just so that. I know, I feel really good about that.
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All right, John, I want to show you something. My friend Alex Ramosi, very popular, had a hot take on our next topic. So I'm going to let you watch it first, and then I'll... throw an opinion at you.
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Amen. So the birth rate is the lowest it's ever been. It's plummeting. It's plummeting. And so here's Alex taking a hot take. I did some research. There's not a clear study that would support what he says.
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But then when we get back to the data, we have got to guard ourselves to the point that if I find a female coworker attractive, I have got to put a boundary up, in my opinion.
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No, I love it. I got to jump in real quick. Okay. Because you and I have looked at this. We were talking about this the other day. In that room, we had a whiteboard and you were- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's- Undeniable that you're healthier. Everything in your life is better. And so that's wealth. And especially men. Yeah. So forget net worth. I want to know how healthy I am.
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Well, I think he's right because you know this. Parenting reveals a level of strength that you previously have not experienced. And you've got to come home. You've got to come home from the disco. Right, but you know what I'm saying? Marriage is one thing. Yes. Marriage is a different thing.
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animal in the sense of, I always felt responsibility to provide for Stacey and give her a great life and I want to make her happy, right? But there's this baton that you start thinking about. I'm not passing a baton to Stacey. I'm passing a baton to my kids. It's a different thing. And I just think that it gives you a level of strength and fortitude, tenacity when
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When you got mouths that are relying on you and then a future. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Dude, this is – I had Josie for two hours in my arms. True story. Two hours. She's two hours old and I'm holding her in the hospital. And I literally – no one else was around me and I literally had a thought. I wonder what weddings are going to cost when she's – Now, again, neurotic, yeah, sure.
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Unnecessary, sure. No. But reality, absolutely. That's what I mean. There is a heightened alert that comes on you when you're a parent. So I think Alex is absolutely right. I mean, it's just flat out. There's some responsibility that you get that you go, I got to step up. I know.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, dude, that's absolutely right. I mean, this idea that every human, I think, needs to feel – I don't want to be insensitive here because I know there are people that are watching this that are single and may never have kids. But I do think there is something special about feeling the primal protection.
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You can feel it with... That's right.
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For what? Well, that brings up an interesting point. It's not that I disagree with you. I think that's the right question. But I also say in Michael Jordan's case, let's say that he didn't have friends and he did have – he was divorced and all that stuff. But that's like saying that you can't be super successful in your profession, in your calling. That's right.
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And not be super successful in your home. And I think that's the question. What's the balance? So I would say a healthy Michael Jordan. My hot take is a healthy Michael Jordan or a Michael Jordan who says marriage is forever.
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Till death do us part.
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So I'm the richest guy, richest athlete in the world, the most famous athlete in the world, and I can get the best counselors. And I can also say to the Bulls, I'm not going to play in the Olympics this year because – or I can say to the Olympic committee, I'm going to go be with my wife. I'm not going to play golf because I'm going to – that's right.
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So I agree that it's for what, but I also would say Michael Jordan represents one of the all-time greats who had a burning desire because he was overlooked. Yeah, yeah. And so if we started off a conversation with Michael Jordan like we did with you, what drives you? Well, what drove Michael Jordan?
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Well, he's not talked a lot about his relationship with his father other than it was good, but then we don't know 100% what's going on. Here's a guy that's got a great gift. Yep. But he also has tremendous drive. Yep. Somewhere, though, it didn't exist.
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Roy Williams, who was an assistant coach at North Carolina under Dean Smith, has said publicly he used to get on Jordan for not working hard enough in practice. Somewhere, something changed because everybody who talks about the Bulls team said he outworked us all. All I'm saying is that we have to be able to bear the responsibility, the burden of this calling, whatever that is.
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If you want to be a stay-at-home mom, Awesome. But ask the question for what? For what? It's about the contribution. There you go. If it's for glory, I'm going to tell you, it's going to be a vapor.
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No, that's really great. It's a really hard question. I don't know how you just pick two tools. But I would say self-awareness. I think that the epidemic of just kind of cluelessness of leaders, they're just unaware. Not bad people. They're just unaware of what's going on with them and how they're affecting downstream. It's trickle-down leadership.
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Well, you've got to have a healthy – that's right. However, I just want to point out that there's no question there's some unhealthiness going on. And so now it's medication. But I also think we could all do ourselves a favor. I'm speaking on behalf of guys. Yes. Okay? This will be shocking to everybody what I reveal right now, but I have no idea what it's like to be a woman.
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and it starts with self-awareness, would be a massive tool. And I agree with everything you said. And other than that, this is based on Gallup. I mean, Gallup says that the three human needs that must be met, purpose and meaning at work, recognition for your unique contribution, and third, a relationship with their leader.
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That tool, the tool of self-awareness and then awareness of your team. That would be, if I had to simplify it to those two, that's what I would say. I loved your answer. One final question. You mentioned earlier, and I'm glad you did because I wanted to get to it, because I see it in you when we talk at our desks. The anxiety guy, not labeling you, but this is the world you're in.
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You're really concerned. I see it on you when we talk about artificial intelligence. Oh, yeah. And it's everywhere. There's in the headlines that is AI going to remove tons and tons of jobs? Is AI going to make us less human? Yada, yada, yada. Why are you so concerned about it? Or shall I say, how? Um...
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But I do know what it's like to be a guy. And as a guy, I don't care how healthy my relationship is. Guys are guys. We're simple creatures. And a woman can be completely innocent in anything she says or does. But as a dude, if she's attractive to you, you can misunderstand it and act like adult. Yes.
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So it's cool. Well, I don't know if I disagree, but I wonder. Sure. I think it's a valid take. I could see that happening. But I wonder if it will only... It could, yes, it could. Increase our need for humanness. And so AI ends up, instead of being this great thief of our humanness, becomes the thing that— An amplifier, yeah.
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So can I— Now that's in your everyday life. Sure. You can't say that and not say this, but I am really scared about World War because now all of a sudden it becomes a lot easier to create a war because there's no human capital. When you start getting robots shooting each other, we could be collateral damage.
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That part – And I'm not trying to be dark. That concerns me. Well, I think—so let's go back to 150 years. But I tend to side with Sheila. I think it's going to actually make us—in fact, I think the human-centric jobs will get paid more than ever.
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Yeah, but they cannot sit with you knee to knee. That's it. That's it. And pull the string. That's it. That unpacks a wound that is 30 years old.
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I think of scripture, right? And, you know, very clear, the admonition is today has enough worry of its own. It's a problem for future, John. Do not worry about tomorrow. You got to be present and learning to be where you are. And I think that's absolutely great. Well, folks, I started off the conversation as we do every time reminding you that
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I agree. Again, I'm only speaking as a dude here on that. So I think it's really important, but I think that this is scary stuff. Yeah. And people are blowing up their life.
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One conversation, one question has the ability to open up our minds, open up opportunities to allow us to learn, to grow, to do. And I took so much from this today, but I wrote it down earlier. When you see me scribbling, that's the big thing.
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The thing I'm going to work on the next week, the next two weeks, and I'm challenging you to consider how you could use this, was when John said, be the first. So I wrote down on my notes, be the first to be friendly. It's so important that we as humans, we were just talking about AI and our humanness, but my life is going to be better because of the quality of the relationships in my life.
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And so no matter where I am, no matter what role I'm playing, if I can always have the mindset to be the first, just to be human, I think that's going to make me better and hopefully the people that I get to do life with better. So you do what you want with that, but that's what I'm working on this week.
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Hey, if you enjoy this episode and you would like to join us in studio for a live recording, check out the link in the show notes for up-to-date info on guests, dates, and opportunities. Well, friends, I know I'm better for hanging out with my pal. I'm glad you got to hang out with my pal. But let's all thank Dr. John Delaney. Thank you, man. Appreciate you. Thank you.
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The whole thing blows up. All right, let's talk about another massive issue in the workplace. And that is... the stress levels in the American workplace. You and I have talked a lot about this. There is this weird dynamic between a stressed out leader and then how they dump that stress on the people they work with. This is not to dump on leaders because you and I both work with leaders.
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We speak to leaders. We love leaders. Yeah. But I want you to comment on this as a guy who's smack dab in the middle of mental health stuff all the time for the person who is leading right now. Let's start with leaders for a second. I want to get your quick perspective. The person who's leading, and maybe they're not very healthy.
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What do they need to hear from you right now on the impact they're having on people? I got some hot takes on this. Is that okay? Yeah, I'd like quick and hot. Let's go.
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Does that make sense? It does. And I will say this, and... We've got to understand there's two things you can do. When you're in a situation where your leader, your boss, is so unhealthy in their own world, personally, and as well if they've not been trained well professionally, because that's a big issue. I say this a lot. Bad bosses doesn't make a bad person. They're not always bad people.
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Here's what you've got to do. You have two responses. One – So you say, all right, I can't do this under them, and I'm going to find another place, and I'm going to be patient, and I'm going to find a healthy culture because it does exist. Absolutely. All right. The second thing is, wait a second, and I love what you just said. I'm not going to give them the power that I've always given them.
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In other words, if I learn how to – Serenity prayer, right? Change the things that I can, the courage to accept the things I cannot, and you work on getting better at it. In other words, if it's not abusive, if it's not toxic, there's a difference between abuse and toxic leadership. Correct. Sometimes it's just bad. That's right. But can I learn how to navigate that for the season of life I'm in?
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And I'm saying that because I want a lot of people to realize option two is far more readily available than people realize, but we don't use it. That's right. And I want people to understand if you can learn how to get healthy yourself or get some tools to be able to deal with a difficult person, hello, our friend Henry Cloud and boundaries and things of that nature, you can still succeed.
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But I love what you said. We've given too much. To our leaders. We rely on them for too much.
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How many hours a week are you spending on that?
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Okay, that's great. But I'm with Rachel on this. I wonder if we take that skill set and experience of being a court clerk. So we're talking about details, right? Good listener. You're administrative in nature. Is that right? You enjoy that and you're good at it? Dotting the I's, crossing the T's. I wonder if you don't look into maybe doing virtual executive assistant or something like that.
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Even if it's 20 hours a week, 30 hours a week. Because you can do that in your sleep. Something like that.
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And what was your previous salary as a court clerk?
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Oh, I wonder if you can't get $40,000, even $50,000 as an executive assistant and you do it all virtually.
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Make no mistake. It's going to be painful to drive a piece of crap for a while, but if you've got your mindset on where this gets us, then you can drive anything, and here's the deal. Park around the corner and walk a little bit.
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All right, let's go to Rachel in Phoenix, Arizona. Rachel, how can Rachel and I help you?
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I'm going to go ahead without any information and say yes. Yes. But I'm going to admit early on, Rachel, that that might be a snap reaction.
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Yeah. I get what you're saying. Here's what I would say right out of the gate. I actually think if I were in your shoes, and I understand the trust issues, so what's going on with both of you is very natural. It's very normal. I think you guys got to get with a therapist without question and work through this. But I would tell you that just practically speaking,
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Okay, so I've got to jump in real quick with a question then. I'm with Rachel. I don't think you can expect any money from them. So for this moment, let's suspend this idea that they're going to pay you and help pay this thing off and whatever, whatever. My question is, if they live with you in this studio, how much money are they going to cost you?
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Assuming they don't pay you rent, is it going to be any kind of a utility suck or something? Like, is it minimal as to what they'll actually cost you and your husband?
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I just wanted to know that. I also wanted Rachel to hear that too. So it's going to be a minimal increase because we have to assume, I think Rachel's right, that dad's going to go do something really dumb and boy, oh boy.
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That was a question I had. I don't hear a lot about it, so I don't know what video he's watching.
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Dance, varmint! Sorry, I just had to say that for everybody who knows who Yosemite Sam is. It's an older demographic, I've got to point out.
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If I have the ability... They're not going to be on the side of the road. You know why? Because Rachel's mom is going to look at... If I went to Stacy, my wife of almost 27... But you're not her parents.
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Rachel, your mom at some point is going to tell your dad to wake up and smell the coffee. Is she not?
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I think that the fact that you have your finances merged and shared actually creates greater accountability for both, right? So that the trust at least has some type of transparency. Now, just because you share accounts doesn't mean that financial infidelity isn't happening. However, one big step going forward to me is, okay, there are no separate accounts. And we both see what's in there.
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But here's something I want to point out. Rachel, please speak up to this, okay?
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Rachel and Phoenix. I believe that this is kind of like a teenager. I think your dad needs to be treated like a teenager. And that's why I agree with my partner here, Rachel's advice on this. Have mom take care of mom for a bit. Because I don't think anybody's going to get through to this guy.
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The only thing that's going to get through to him, as Dave has said this for decades, when you land so hard, you bounce. And I think this guy... I hate this, what I'm about to say. But I think the family, including your mom, is going to go, all right, pal, go to Mexico. Please, for the love of God, be safe. But let the guy go digging and let him go gold mining.
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And when he doesn't find any gold and he runs out of all money... He's a bit of the prodigal here.
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Is to let this guy get this out of his system. He's 71. I think this is his last hurrah. And I think he probably doesn't even realize it. I think to get his attention. But I think mom protects herself. I agree so much with Rachel Cruz on this. Rachel, your thoughts on that? I mean, where's mom at on this deal? Because you're trying to help.
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And I don't think, by the way, I want to make sure we come back to this point. I don't think this is your problem, even though it feels like it. I don't think it's your problem.
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investments i mean if you're i don't think so i don't think so i would i would here's the deal i'm not a tax pro i was certain about it until you looked at me sideways and i was like then i started thinking i don't think that's going to be an issue but i would again i would have her consult with a tax pro go to ramsay solutions.com he'll know what she earned yeah so that he will again she's but listen that's okay yeah i'm okay with that conversation i'm not suggesting by the way this is a secret that's right don't even make it i think she needs to be bold and go hey yosemite sam
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I got to take care of me because there's a good chance. This is really going to be harsh, but I'm going to say it. There's a chance this guy goes down there and falls into something bad. I mean, gold mining in Mexico? You might as well get on a roller coaster without the seatbelt. I don't think this is a wise decision. I'm not in any way making light of that. But she's got to protect herself.
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And I would say to her, she looks at him and goes, you're putting us at risk. Yeah. With this crazy venture.
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I'll tell you one thing I am going to do. I am going to see what the gold mining situation is in Mexico. She's got my intrigue.
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Ken went to Home Depot to get a bunch of pickaxes.
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And even just getting into an every dollar budget and beginning to look where every dollar is being spent, all of that begins to create so much transparency that trust is in some way a byproduct.
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All right, let's get to our Ramsey Show question of the day. It's brought to you by YRefi. If you're feeling stuck with defaulted private student loan payments, YRefi can reduce your payments and help you regain control of your finances. Take the first step towards getting unstuck by visiting YRefi.com slash Ramsey. That's the letter Y-R-E-F-Y dot com slash Ramsey.
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Oh, that's good. Very good question. What say you? You're the contentment queen.
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I'm not in any way saying that therapy doesn't still need to happen because, Rachel, I want to get your thoughts on this because I do think we need a good therapist to help us both heal because they've both had this trauma. Yeah.
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When I was 14, I had an old pastor tell me, looked me in the eye, and I'll never forget, he had his Bible in his hand, and he kind of thumped me on the shoulder. He says, young man, hear me on this. Don't sacrifice the future on the altar of the immediate. Now, that's a lot of old man speak, but what that statement says is don't risk or sacrifice your future on how you're feeling in the now.
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And so to Antonio, I would say, how do you stick with renting while you're accumulating that down payment? You start looking towards the future and you say, if I wait and I get that 20% down payment, And I do it the right way. And I buy that way when I'm ready. My future is so much better.
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But if I don't wait right now and I go in and I become house poor, what is that going to do to my mind, my wife's mind? So just look out to the future and go, what do I want that future to be? And that's going to require me to sacrifice now. You want to go lose weight. You want to lose 30 pounds by summer.
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Well, now we start to go, I have got to win the now and I've got to be disciplined in the now or else I don't get where I want to be. You can pick any category of life. So that would be my encouragement there. Two things I want to get to really quick. I want to go back. You and I did a little research. You did the research.
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He should be learning about it. He should know about it. Regardless of taxes or not. But we wanted to clarify that. By the way, that's what we would call a simple tax situation. So if you have a simple tax situation, I want to make you aware of Ramsey SmartTax. We're really excited about this.
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You can get it at ramseysolutions.com slash smart tax. Again, that's ramseysolutions.com slash smart tax. All right. I think you call that Worcester. We'll find out. Is it Worcester or is it Worcester?
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Oh, you want to get her on it? Yeah, let's talk to Jessica. So let's go to Jessica. Jessica, is it Worcester, Mass? It's Worcester. Worcester.
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Did you get a funnel cake while you were there? No.
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This is the Ramsey Show, where America comes to win with your money, win in your profession, and win in your relationships. Thrilled to have you with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Rachel Cruz joins me today. I'm Ken Coleman, and let's get right to it. Are you ready to roll?
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What are we doing on the weekends, Christy? What are you doing? This guy's not like values. I stand by what I said. I wasn't trying to be salty.
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But there's a guy in the lobby that agrees with me. This is adult conjugal visits. We're playing house. I got head shaking all throughout the lobby. I stand by what I say, Rachel.
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Let's go to Sue in Sacramento. Sue, how can we help today?
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Wow. Sounds like there's two really good positives. Is this also a good professional move for both of you?
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But if we combine that with the other two issues, it sounds like this is a real big win. So when somebody calls in this situation and it sounds like there's a lot of positives here, what are you considering? What are you worried about that you want to get our take on? What do we not know that's giving you pause?
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Okay, so let's go into that. So let's paint the picture here for Rachel. All right, so tell us how much money you're going to get, or that you believe you're going to get, and then let's walk through your debt. So how much money are you getting first?
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Okay. Now, what do you think the move is going to cost?
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I don't think that's unreasonable. What I would tell you to do is get about three or four quotes, and let's come down to a pretty concrete number. And so let's just play off the $8,000, Rachel. Let's say the move costs about $8,000, but it does lower your cost of living. I'm curious, do you know...
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Or can you ballpark what your new budget would be with the lower cost of living so that we know how much more we're going to keep if we're going to have the same jobs? And you said similar jobs, so I'm assuming similar pay. So what's the analysis there? How much more money would you have at the end of the month, if you will, that we could put towards the debt if we move?
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I would do it based on this because I think what's not mentioned in this is I think you guys are going to have a better quality of life. Is that what you think?
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What kind of income are we talking about there?
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Rachel, I think that's a no-brainer because it's not that much debt and they can tackle it.
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This is an extreme example, but you and I have a friend. I will not mention his name because he's a public figure. We have a good friend, mutual friend, who essentially bought a house in Nashville on the savings from his taxes in California. Yes, exactly. Now he's very successful, but that's real.
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So for that reason, I think... This is not, that's the only debt you have.
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I feel like this is a no-brainer. Sue, do you feel better, worse, the same?
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Let me tell you right now, you just self-diagnosed. A man puts so much self-worth in his ability to provide, and with the dynamics you just shared with us, I think there's some potential healing there, and I think you've got to defrost the situation a little bit. I'm not saying it's all on you, but you acknowledge some things, and I think the dynamics have changed.
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Well, because, and you're right, because of, again, the word we've been talking about, which is trust. Christy, I want to dig a little bit. We've kind of told you what we thought. You've been listening. I'm curious, are you both, would you say you both are at the same level of distrust of each other, even though you're probably happily married in every other area?
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And where you were the breadwinner, now you come home, he's not making enough. This is a tough situation. I wonder if we don't pivot this move to a non-money conversation, and the move is about life. And I'm curious, with that being said, does he agree with you that a move to Texas would be better for the kids' school, schooling situation?
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Sure, sure. But let me get back to where we were. Does he now agree with you that cost of living is significantly less in Texas? He's on board with that.
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Yeah, well... And visit and let him see it. You guys need to pick an area. I'm going to suggest that.
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Describe for us where you are and where he is on the particular issue of trust of each other and money right now. How would you describe that?
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Is it our third Rachel? I think so. Oh, it's very exciting. Rachel, number three in Lexington. How can we help?
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Give us the reasons why we would do either of those. So go with option A. Why do you think you should do that?
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So what I'm trying to understand is why would you want to move to this other house next door?
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Okay, I would sell the current house that you're in.
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With that cash set aside, plus the profit that Rachel's talking about, after you pay off this little house, you stay on the hill that you love. You got the room for the kids. You make it your own. You don't have to get it all done right away, but you got the cash. It sounds like to do it all.
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So you could cash flow it without selling the current house you live in.
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But it's your option. We're giving you multiple options.
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I think Rachel's option is cleaner. I do too. You get rid of the current house. You get all the cash. You go rent. You get the whole thing renovated. That's a little easier. It is a pain to move twice, but it feels like now. But again, I think what I'm hearing you say is you guys could cash flow the renovations while staying in the existing house.
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Or at least get it to a point that you can move into it and then whatever's left is not a complete construction zone. I think they got options.
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And it's just not a lot of money. You guys, I don't even know where you live, by the way. When you're buying a house for $32,000, that's mind-blowing to me, or the other one for $60,000. So I just don't think it's going to spit off enough rental income that it's worth the hassle. To make a difference, yeah.
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I'm picturing wildflowers. Do you have wildflowers on that property?
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I got to say, I'm also picturing a little, I think you should get the troop together. How old are the kids? Their ages?
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I put the little kids together and it gets to that point, the hills are alive with the sound of music. Von Trapp children. The Von Trapps, the wildflowers.
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I got such a great vibe about this place on the hill. I'm going to go with my partner's recommendation. Sell the current place, go all in, go rent, go all in and fix the other little place up, and then we watch the sound of music and we run through the wildflowers. I think it's going to be great. I like everything about it. I hope you're not allergic to pollen.
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And now I've got some help, some action steps to keep going. Because remember this about the baby steps. It is about momentum, pure and simple. And there are times where you need that little boost. So if that's you, you can head to the show notes, click on the link titled, Are You On Track With The Baby Steps, and complete the quiz. It's really encouraging, and it'll actually equip you as well.
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All right, we're going to go to Portland, Oregon now, and Karen is there. Karen, how can we help?
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Did I understand you're unable to work right now because of this preparation or you would be unable to work after the surgery? I think both. Oh, okay.
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Well, has he been consistent on his alimony payments?
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Yeah. How long will that go? That's not perpetuity, is it?
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Christy is up first in Kansas City. Christy, how can we help today?
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Oh, well, that's huge. That had to create a lot of trust for him.
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This is tough. The only thing I would add is if I were you, I would be trying to find another golden girl or two in your area and let's see if we can roommate. I'm not kidding you. I really think you got to slash your expenses as much as you can because you're in such a... This whole health thing is just limiting you and your ability to work and hoping the alimony payments keep coming in.
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But in the meantime, I'm going to be pinching like I have nothing coming in. And I would really, truly consider a roommate situation, getting yourself in that. Let's see if we can cut your rent in half. My goodness. Don't tell me there aren't other ladies out there like you that wouldn't mind having a roommate, somebody around the house.
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See, I had no idea. I think it's meant to be. I do think there are some Golden Girls out there that would love to have a Karen in the house, and I would consider that. The good Karen, by the way. That's right. She's a great Karen. She's a great Karen.
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I got to say, Christy, I think you guys are on the way. I believe... marital counseling here because neither one of you were the bad guys. You're both victims. That's an interesting combination, and a professional will get you guys the tools that you can heal.
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I think you commit big time to some serious therapy, one time a week maybe, and let's dive into this and come out on the other side, and then I think you guys will get there. Really, really interesting call. Thanks for trusting us.
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All right, let's go to Shelby in Seattle, Washington. Shelby, how can we help today?
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25 more than it's worth or what is it? Oh my.
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Well, why don't you walk us through where you are on the snowball right now? Walk that out for us. Smallest to largest.
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No, no, no. Tell me your current debt's smallest to largest. Oh, I see.
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How much surplus is that? If you do your full budget, sorry, Rachel, if you got all your expenses, including the minimum payments on debt, how much extra do you have now that he's making this $16,000 a month?
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Okay. And how long has he been doing this? I'm just asking these questions for Rachel because she's running numbers here for you. So how long has he been making that extra money and how much longer will he make that in Alaska?
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I agree. Because this is an expensive truck. We're talking 55 grand.
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I think I would take the hit, too. You're also going to get a real raise here after you start knocking out some of these debts. So I agree with Hubs, but I want to make sure you hear what we're saying.
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It doesn't even need to be the medical assistant or medical. Like it's anything anywhere that pays you more money than you're making right now. And the reason is to create some margin. OK. And then George is going to talk you through paying off that seven thousand dollars, which is going to also free up more money. We've got to get you a raise through income and expenses.
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George, tell her how we're going to do that.
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Wow. I'll tell you that much. It's a blessing. I don't know if you're really setting me up there. Blessed? We'll see what Grant thinks. He's in Chicago. Boy, now I've got to bless Grant. Grant, how are you doing? All right.
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Strong golf clap for that one right there.
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How much value does landscaping equipment hold? In other words, let's say you paid X amount of dollars for the equipment, how much can you get for it now?
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The rest are lovely girls. Oh, I was going to say, because if it was mostly boys, you just pile them on top of each other. They don't care. They live like rats anyway. I got two boys.
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Yeah. Yeah, I literally was going to go that direction. But the girl thing, I only have one girl, and I don't know. I feel like I'm on thin ice if I recommend that.
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You're very cheery for a guy with six kids. I'll be honest with you. How do you have time to make this call?
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Yeah, but you also don't have any sleep either. Oh, here's a question America wants to know. I know this. Are you done having kids or are there more on the way?
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So you think there's a possibility that more kids are coming?
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You're getting partial information. No one says you've got to give it up, but there are other things you can do. Maybe you should seek a family planner as a side to this call.
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How much equipment could you get away with not having? In other words, if you sold it, it wouldn't put you in a tough spot given your current business load.
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He's a better man than I, I'll tell you. You'd be out of there? Well, I reached my max capacity as a father at three. I readily admit that. I'm glad we have three blessed. I do think people are hardwired for a certain number. There's no question. That guy right there was born and created to father a lot of kids. He's very, very bubbly. A very positive young man. I'm a curmudgeon with one child.
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No, you're a curmudgeon pure. Without children.
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We were hoping that your sweet little princess...
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How about that? That's really cool. Yeah.
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That's the 18 right there plus some. Who put this idea of bankruptcy in your mind as a way to get out of this?
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Today's question comes from Maria in Connecticut. I recently received my license to practice architecture. I'll be having a conversation soon with the management at my current job about a new role and the responsibilities that come with it. I also suspect that with those responsibilities will come a pay increase. My employer has always been generous.
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However, I would like to go into that meeting with an idea of what a fair salary looks like. I understand there are nuances to salary, such as your years of experience, geographical location. And specialty, I want to manage my expectations of what their offer might be so that I can be grateful to my employer if it's generous. Oh, that's fun. If it's generous.
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I want to be grateful if it's generous. On the other hand, here's the other one. If I'm offered less than expected, I want to be prepared to find out why, prove my value, and prove my value. Where can I find accurate salary data to know what fair is? Well... There's no Bible on this. So let's start with that. There's no one source. There are multiple sources. I would be checking job sites.
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And again, I'm not going to say names because I'm not endorsing, but you can go look and try to get a range with research. You can also, I would consult LinkedIn, reach out to people that have similar experience. There are ways to get a range. And what you want to do is get a range. And you already laid out in your question, Maria,
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What we're looking at here, geographic region, you start with that because that's very, very different. You know what region you're in. You look at years of experience, qualifications, et cetera, et cetera. And because this is a new qualification that you will be getting, you are going to be at the bottom rung of the experience ladder. And so you've got to take that into account.
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So I think you've got enough markers. to be able to do pretty good research and have an idea of the range of what you want. But do not lose sight of the fact that this employer has, by your words, always been very generous to you. And this is an opportunity to make a nice pivot. And even if it's not exactly what you want, you can't get lost in the number being absolutely ideal.
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You have to focus, George, on the fact that you've made the switch. And now you're in the line of work you want to be in, and you got a chance to get experience, which sets you up for your future. So mindset and prioritizing your focus is the key here on how to handle this conversation going forward.
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She feels valued by them, it appears. So that's a pretty good situation to be able to make that pivot.
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What do you mean by other house? Tell us about an investment property.
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So what would your income need to go to to make you feel comfortable after all of this? We've already figured out how to fund the... Yeah, I would have told you to sell this house even if this wasn't the case. I agree.
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That takes care of that. Plus an emergency fund. That's right. So what kind of income would you need to, how much would you need to increase your income to make you feel calm at night, not knowing what that military number is going to play out to be?
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But what's a conservative number? Can we say 36,000? Like if you increased your income by 30, if she's going to stand to lose $3,000 a month, I'm being very conservative because I'm thinking ahead. I'm thinking rainy day, what's the umbrella? So what I'm asking you is, does that make sense? If not, give me another number.
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Don't accept that. In other words, I appreciate what you're saying from a number standpoint. From an attitude standpoint, I'd prefer you go, I'm not going to deal with anything. I'm going to happen to something. And so I'm going to go make an additional. I'd like to see you try to make an additional $2,500 a month. to come up with an additional $30,000 a year.
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I don't care how you do it, but if it was me, George, that's what I would be doing. I don't know if you have a different thought on that, but I would be wanting to pad my stats, if you will, on that situation. Then if it's extra and we don't need it, awesome. We got gravy. We got the college fund started. There's many things you can do with that extra $30,000, but I would be trying to do that.
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I thought you were going to say something else. because you were telling me I was the man. I thought it would make you feel good, too. Well, I appreciate it. It's a little disappointing. Wow. But let's help some people, shall we? That's the goal. Who do we have up first?
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No, no, no, no, no. You know the answer to that. You may not know how you're going to do it, but what's the answer? Is it charging more clients?
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I mean, what does that look like? What's your retirement look like?
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So the question is for you, why in the world would you continue to pay that monthly premium knowing what you just told us?
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What are you paying per month to keep this policy going?
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Okay, so here's my question. $741 in the grand scheme of things, not a huge amount of money, but it's still $741 for a benefit that you don't need. You don't need $150,000. Right. Upon your death.
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Yeah, it's more clients. I mean, you know the answer to that. I think it's a great question that George asked, and I think you cannot let yourself cop out. Now, I understand the emotion behind your answer. So I'm not picking on you, but I'm actually trying to encourage you that you actually know the answer.
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Yeah. I agree with George. You just got $78,000 wealthier. That's the way I look at it.
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That's amazing. Thanks for the call, Rob. I'd be planning a $78,000 spend party. I'd be like, let's get together. What do we want to do with $78,000? Divvy it up. Have fun with that. Yeah. Give a little.
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You should invite him to your live stream. You and Dave.
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If I understood your business the way you understand it, I could figure it out. I want to make sure that the mindset right now is, all right, I started out in this deal. I got over my skis a little bit, didn't have the business with all the equipment, went through downturns. By the way, that's the nature of business. I don't care what it is.
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And so you've learned a lot, but you've got to make sure that you've got a mindset right now that you are not a victim. And so, George, I don't know why we're not talking about selling this equipment. We just brushed right past this. That, to me, would be a resetting of the business.
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How many square feet is this potential build?
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So what are your thoughts, George, maybe on a tax advisor as well?
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Yeah, Andrew, I would encourage you to talk with their doctors. Also get some advice from people who may have walked this road a little bit. I'm only saying this because my brother-in-law is dealing with this right now. And I will tell you that, unfortunately, the Alzheimer's situation is not going to get better. It's going to get worse.
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And with your mother, you know, it's probably limited on what she can do depending on her symptoms post-stroke. At some point, assisted care, assisted living is something that you need to at least kick the tires on. I just don't know how long your sister or you with cameras can, you have to think about you guys and your ability to step in and do what you need to do while your life is moving.
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And I'm not trying to be sober, but I am trying to give a bit of wisdom, just a little bit of observation I've been able to take in as my brother-in-law walks through this. That situation is not going to get better for your mother. Yeah.
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You know what I would do? If he's got $20,000 worth of equipment and he owes 18. I would pay off the credit cards, cut them up, take the $2,000, and that becomes the retained earnings that we teach in Entree Leadership. And let's get that part going. Let's go. We got at least $2,000. Our goal is to not touch that unless it is an absolute four-alarm fire emergency.
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And I'm saying before I spent $250,000 on a home, I would really look at this from multiple angles to see how long that solution takes
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that you're describing and i understand your heart not trying to talk you out of it i'm just trying to give you another perspective because i got i've got no emotion attached to it but i would really be playing that out with your sisters as to how long that model is sustainable yeah i would also just come up with a game plan with whoever's involved is it more than just your sister involved
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And that's what I'm cautioning, Andrew, is look at all of the possibilities and how this thing could go so that there are zero surprises.
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Okay, good. Sorry you're going through this too, Andrew.
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And I'm going to build on that $2,000 and have a goal to have $20,000 in the bank and then have a goal of $50,000. That's how you build a business. You go one month at a time and you take everything that you've learned to this point and you go, okay, now I know actually how I'm going to increase revenue.
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Five people are going to sign up for this thing for free and get a massive boost into their baby step situation. 4K is 4K.
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Sure. Well, if you're not here in five years, it won't matter. That's true. So you can't use that line of thinking, right? You got to plan for the best, you know, and hope for the best. But, you know, once the worst happens, it really doesn't matter because this is for your long-term play. Do you work right now?
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What happens if, and boy, I'm sure that's nothing but bliss between you guys. Well, what happens if you guys have a breakup? He's been your sugar dad.
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He's my age. He's your age. And did you just slip in there that you've tried to break up with him a couple times?
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Yeah, really, really, really good. I really appreciate you sharing all this, and I'm glad we know this now because I think it really, it's really, I'm really, really passionate now about making sure that you stop relying on him. Now, I'm happy you guys are back together. Hopefully that sustains, but you've tried to break up with this guy twice.
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And I'm going to keep the revenue in the form of retained earnings and then paying yourself more as George was saying.
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This is a relationship that we could at least say has not been stable. Well, it is 18 years. Okay, but my point is you guys aren't married. There's no legal involvement.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on. I need to hear the voice. What did he say? Give us the whole voice treatment on that.
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Wow. This is delightful. I feel like you guys are a reality show waiting to happen. You know, 65-year-old's been dating 18 years. This is interesting, George.
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You're right, Judy. That was worse. See, George and I are on Team Judy, okay? We're wearing Team Judy t-shirts right now. I love that. Good. And so you need to accept this, that you have got to get a different job, a full-time job that's not paid by this guy. And you need, George, I want you to step in on what you think she should do with that house.
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I love this voice. I could talk to Judy forever. Judy, you're nominated for my favorite caller ever. Okay, George, let's help out.
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Yeah, but that's not enough to live off of.
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I'll tell you right now, if Judy doesn't make some changes, Judy's going to have to find another sugar daddy. And I don't know how many of those are left, sweetheart, when you get to your age. You know what I mean? I mean, just keeping it real. I don't want one. I don't want one. Okay, great. So then how do we exist without a sugar daddy? The answer is more income.
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You need to make some money. And start taking care of Judy. If this guy wants to keep... I mean, I did.
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I know, but we're talking about the future. George, let's put her on hold. Christian, let's get her a free ticket to the live stream investing event. Yeah, that'll be great. I think that'll also help her.
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I feel like you oversold that one. That was a good tease. That was the goal. I'm a real pro. We do like to know what people think, though.
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It's my favorite place to send people. You know why? Because it's all there. Everything you could ever want on this show is in the show notes. What was that link? It's in the show notes. What was that? It's in the show notes.
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I could answer every call that way. I could just go next, show notes, next call, show notes.
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I'm a practical guy. If one was to get you a gift card that delighted you, where would it be to? Oh, man.
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i'll be honest that's a disappointing answer someone's buying you a gift where do you want a gift card to brand huh where do you want one i don't know academy so you can get more pickleball gear yeah maybe ralph will run i don't know j crew i'm gonna pick a lot of specifics you gave me costco they have everything what do you like the show notes exactly hey let's get to the phone raymond is up next in portland oregon what's going on raymond
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All right. Let me ask a question. Are there other Chevrolet trucks or SUVs where that engine is compatible?
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Well, put a used engine in it, and you'll ride it out. Yeah, you already said, we already covered that you could get a used engine. Okay. This isn't your forever car. We just need to go, there's a gap right now. You're broke. And I would imagine the warranty's going to cover the engine, the gasket on it, unless you didn't put oil in it.
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All right, so I've got to believe that it'll be covered.
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Dude, you're not even living paycheck to paycheck.
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No, no. She just pays. She lives with you and your wife and chips in? I'm not married. I know. He's asking you what the long-term play is.
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It's just you and mom. Yeah, it's just you and mom at the house.
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So there are a lot of options for us gluten-free gladiators out there. There's the bonus content you didn't know you came for today. Thanks for thinking of us, Ken. Well, I'm always thinking of the people. Man of the people, I've been told.
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Love it. Christy, that's a great place to be. You know, being done is an awesome place to be. Now, I know it doesn't feel that way, but George, can I get an amen on that? Oh, absolutely. So we can help. So, Christy, what are you doing for your job?
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Okay, and you're making what per hour? $19,000. Uh-huh. And what did you get your associate's degree in?
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And what was the purpose of that? What were you thinking? What are you aiming towards? What are you thinking about?
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Yeah. Okay, so if we could fast forward your life, you're a nurse right now.
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Right? I'm asking. That's what you want. What kind of nurse? You have any idea?
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Okay, but let's stay. Yeah, I love that. No, I love it. But if we could be a nurse today, you would be a nurse, a labor delivery nurse?
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Okay, great. It's really important that you visualize that and write that down. So the question becomes, how much money... and time is it going to take to get the other two years so that you get the nursing degree and you're ready to go?
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No, no. You don't need the master's to become a nurse. I'm asking, what is it going to take for you to be qualified to be a labor delivery nurse?
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Okay. Hey, fun homework assignment number one. You got it? You started this call. I'm done. So before you lay your head on the pillow tonight, you need to know the answer to how many more years of college do I need to get a nursing degree? The second thing you need to know before you lay down your head tonight is in your area,
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Where are all the institutions, like a list of the schools that have nursing programs? If there are some online programs that will help you get a certain amount of, I mean, I don't know. I want you literally to have a list that if George and I knocked on your door tomorrow morning and we said, Christy, what are our options in the future to get that nursing degree?
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You could hand us a piece of paper. There it is, George, right there. And we would say, okay, great. And it has the cost. It's really important for someone who's in your position that's really frustrated with where you are in life to have a clear picture of what it would actually take to do the thing that you actually want to do, because it takes away all of the fear.
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Right now, you're in an emotional state that is probably frustrated and intimidated by what it takes to get where you want to go. Is that true?
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That's what I thought. So two more years of school.
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How much money do we need to complete that two years worth of coursework?
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That's awesome news. So here's the deal. I want to hand it over to George to kind of pour through your expenses because I think you've got to do some work there too. But here's what I want to tell you. I want you to aggressively be looking for something that's paying you $25, $30 an hour. OK. OK. Because it doesn't matter what you're doing now.
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What are your thoughts on that number?
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Yeah. I would really do the investment calculator, Sarah. I really would so that you can actually see how these numbers play out. Because, again, you could make the case to put $150 to $200 away per kid. That's real right now. That won't cover a lot of schools for four years. We know that.
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Around 900. Okay. So what is the question? I love how John answered. He's absolutely right. So what is the specific giving strategy or question marks you have around this? What are you pondering?
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200, you're easy, okay. You're fine. But I just believe that it's a tough thing to discuss, John, because you and I both, we talk about this all the time, higher ed is going to look dramatically different.
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Okay, let me ask you this. Actually, we've never talked about this. If that's true, I don't see how it gets more expensive. I see it getting less expensive.
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Oh, no, I think it's going to happen.
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And see, that's where I think, you know what? That's a fun discussion for another time.
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I think there will be a premium level, just like there's really fancy restaurants now. That's exactly right. But I do think we're seeing the cost of tuition, student loans. I think COVID started the tide. I do think we're going to see decentralized higher ed. And thus, I think it's going to be a lot less expensive. That would be my prediction. I could be wrong. I agree with you.
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I still think they'll be your premium place. There's always going to be a Ritz Carlton.
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That's exactly right. All right, quick break. He's Dr. John Delaney. I'm Ken Coleman. You're listening to The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Thrilled to have you with us. 888-825-5225 is the number to jump in. I'm Ken Coleman. Dr. John Deloney is joining me today. Jack is with us now in Cleveland, Ohio. Jack, how can we help? Hey, guys. How are you? We're having a blast. What's going on with you?
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Welcome to The Ramsey Show, where we help you win in your life. We're going to help you win in your money, win in your profession, and win in your relationships. The phone number to jump in today so we can coach you up is 888-825-5225. Alongside the incomparable The Doctor Is In sign is hanging above my head, Dr. John Deloney. What's up? My pal and seatmate, if you will.
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Yeah, I mean, Jack, I'm sitting there listening to you and John talk. You already knew the answer to the question that you asked. I think you're – and again, no judgment here. I'm seriously putting myself in your shoes. I would be a mess internally if I were in your shoes right now because I would be afraid that –
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my ex isn't going to like what is the reality, and she's going to say something or do something, and then my kid is going to think that I don't love him as much, I would be sick to my stomach. Just being honest, John. Yeah, heck yeah. Jack, I think that's what you're dealing with.
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All right, so now that's what we need to address, because when you started this call, you already knew what's reasonable and what's right. And what is real. I can't afford it, right? You can't, but... What's also real, John, is that Jack can be manipulated into, and I could too, into credit cards and all the other things to just get through this. And you know what?
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Yeah, but back to John's question. Is there a specific cause, something that has spurred this on, where you want to give? You're wondering about it?
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I'd rather deal with the financial pain than the emotional pain of disappointing my kid. I think that's where he sits. Am I right, Jack?
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That's what I agree. I agree. That's the tack, Jack. You got to go directly to your daughter. She's 16. I agree.
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What did you, what did you do, Jack? And how much did you make versus how much you make now?
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I think there's two things. I get that. But I think there's two things. And, again, I'm – and, John, you weigh in on this. But, Jack, I'm going to talk to you as if I was in your situation. And I think that, number one, I agree with Doc here that you're sitting down with your daughter and you're explaining reality. And you give her a lot of why. Here's why I've cut back.
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If you want to go to that, I got a different thought on that one, but you can explain all that. Explain, I don't want to go into debt. Here's why. Explain all of that. Be really honest, really humble, not defensive, but explain the situation. Whether or not she gets it in the form of agrees with it or not. Doesn't matter. Does not matter.
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But I think you've got to go one-to-one with the daughter and do your best to, and I don't want to say this, I don't want to mean controlling, but the narrative needs to be between you and your daughter. That's the first thing I do. The second thing I do, interestingly enough that you said, I used to make 90, now I make 40.
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I'd be working a little bit more, and I would be doing what I could to cash flow. I'll come up with $3,000 for braces. I'll tell you what I'll commit to. Whatever she earns towards her car, I'll match it. I'll match it. Up to $5,000 or whatever number. Now we've got girls' skin in the game, moms' skin in the game, your skin in the game.
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I think for this season, I'd be pulling some more hours and leveraging my past experience more. to meet this situation in the middle. No debt, no manipulation and pressure from daughter or ex-wife. However, I can bring more to the table, and out of a good gesture, I'm going to do that. I think I would try to do that. John, is that unhealthy?
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Jack, you're a good man, and I'm going to tell you, I think you're a good dad. So believe that, act that way, hold the line. I'm not doing anything that hurts you financially. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside Dr. John Deloney, I'm Ken Coleman. So excited that you're with us, 888-825-5225. Our Ramsey Network app question is from Darren. He writes in, my wife and I are 50, debt-free, and have a net worth of close to $5 million. I retired last year, and it's allowed me to lean into many fun hobbies. That said...
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I feel guilty that I'm not working, even though we don't need the money. I'm embarrassed when people ask what I do for a living. Did I retire too early? Or should I just ignore societal norms and enjoy the fruits of a lifetime of hard work? I'm going to go yes and yes, John.
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A little bit controversial, maybe. And what I mean by yes is did he retire too early? Yes.
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And should he ignore societal norms and enjoy the fruits? Yes.
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Now, I'll explain the first part of that.
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Yeah. I don't think retirement is good for us. No, I'm sorry. Let me go back. I know it's not good for us, and that's not my opinion. That is based on— All the data. You know about all the data. You and I are both data nerds, and the data says it's just not good for us physically, mentally, spiritually, the whole nine yards.
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Which is what he's doing, fun hobbies, which is great. I would say that, and this is my goal, and by the way, this is a very unpopular opinion. I was on Graham Stephan's show, and they asked me about retirement. And I said, it's overrated, and I'm not going to ever retire.
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I will slow down. Yes. I will diversify, but I will be doing something that looks, sounds, smells suspiciously like work until God takes me home. And that's because, A, I believe it's what's best for us. Now, again, downshifting. So all I would say here is, Darren, hey, man, keep doing the hobbies, but find something. Even if, by the way, here's what's interesting.
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I would say, John, that volunteerism... is in the category of not retiring. In other words, he may not have to collect a check, but let's say he's going in and let's say he used to run a sawmill, random thing, that's what came to my head.
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If he just goes in, he starts consulting with a couple young guys that are in the wood business or whatever, and he tells them what he knows, and he does it one day a week. It's about purpose and providing value. That's the idea. That's it. So one can volunteer. And by the way, volunteers work. Exactly.
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So that's my little spiel, and I'll leave it at that and let you jump in on the second part of that.
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Yes. I'm 50. That'd be amazing. I think I'm young. Exactly. I know I'm delusional. But I still go, I mean, now again, I wouldn't stop today.
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Yeah. That's a good point. Neither one of us like meetings. But I don't think there is. I think the societal norm is that everybody wants to be where he's at. He's in the one half of 1% of all people who do walk at 50. Right. Or maybe smaller percentage than that. So what is, what do you think?
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And again, I'm putting you on the spot, but real quick, we'll get to a call, but I would love to know 30 seconds on what do you think is the source of that feeling he gives us in the last sentence that he thinks people are going? Dude, you're 50 and you're not working?
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Yeah. I love it. Let's see if we can get Will in here in Phoenix, Arizona. Will, how can we help?
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You bet. We got about two and a half minutes and I'm sorry to do that to you, but see if you can get us your quick question and see if we can help.
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I wouldn't take the money out of my retirement to do that. I'd work a little bit longer and pay it off quick. You know, you're, and again, you could still retire from corporate world. Uh, and I think you can still accomplish what I'm suggesting.
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I knew it, Will. I feel you, dog. I saw it coming like a freight train. I knew it was the wife.
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So if that's going to be the case, John, I really don't want him pulling out of the retirement fund. I want that money staying, Will. And again, you have the income and the experience to, if you've got to do a mortgage on $100,000, that's such a small amount, and pay it off quick. If you can't convince the wife.
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Oh, you're talking about investing in your retirement account.
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I'd tell her she's got to work a little bit longer.
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I agree. Just a joke, Will. You're on your own, pal. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show, where we help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win in your relationships. Alongside Dr. John Deloney, I'm Ken Coleman. The phone number to jump in today is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Let's get it started with Zach in Lexington, Kentucky. Zach, how can we help today?
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Okay. Tell us a little bit more. What's the debt?
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All right, let's list them out for us. So go smallest to largest, the biggest debt down to the smallest. Start with the biggest debt.
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We'll leave the house out right now because we want to work on that other debt. So keep going.
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And what is your combined income? Do you have two incomes or one? Two, me and my wife. So what's your combined income?
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All right. What's the truck worth right now if you were to sell it, private sale, not to a dealer? What's the truck worth?
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That's great news. Okay. And how much is the $3,000 car? How much is that worth? About $6,000. Okay. All right. So that's everything you got, correct? That's everything. Do you have any cash outside of your checking account at all? What kind of cash do you have?
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All right. So you guys are struggling just to make it to the end of the month. Yeah, majorly. All right. So what is your question today? Are you struggling with budgeting, or is it a bigger issue where you guys aren't on the same page about money? I'd like to see more income, but what do you think is the big cause of this? Is it a lack of budgeting, or is it you guys are on two different pages?
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One's trying, the other's spending like crazy. Give us a little bit more.
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Okay, all right. What is the mortgage? You don't have a very big mortgage. What's your mortgage payment?
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Okay, well, that is a huge chunk of your take-home.
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Yeah, I agree. What's your truck payment?
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And the reason I'm going to start there is because that's a $300 a month raise, which is a massive deal for you. And you've got equity in that. And I would sell it. If you can sell that for $25, you owe $12. That's going to leave you $13. I would go buy a $5,000 truck because I can find them all day long online and have done it before.
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And then I'm going to take that $8,000 and I'm going to knock out your wife's car payment. I still got $5,000 left over. I'm taking out the $2,000 student loan. What do I got left? I'm trying to run this in my head.
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But I think he can get rid of it all. If I did the math right, I think you pay your entire debt off with the proceeds from the truck. Brother, that's massive. What is your car payment on the wife's car? $180. Okay, so that's $480, all right? And we should start going down the list.
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Massive. $500 a month. Now I'm going to say one other thing. You, my friend, your wife's pregnant, so I'll let her off the hook, although I'd like to see her pick up some hours, pick up 15 to 20 hours a week at Walmart working evenings while the baby's in the oven. But you definitely need to be picking up another 20 to 30 hours a week to actually get this emergency fund built up.
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Because you can be debt-free and start stacking in the emergency fund really quickly. But this is all effort. I'm going to sell my truck, pay off all the debt, stick the rest in savings, and my wife and I are going to work like we got no tomorrow in order to stack up five, six, seven grand All this is doable. Am I right, John?
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Listen, my man, we live in a world, Adam, excuse me, Zach, that would tell you, well, you take off time. No, you're not.
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You can't afford to take time off with your wife. You've got to be working crazy hours.
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And let's also call Churchill, like you said.
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Good man. But let's go get the best hourly rate we can right now. I don't care what it is.
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I'd like to see you be looking at the trades, Zach. I really would. I want you to get through baby and get a nice emergency fund, but I'd like you to start thinking about the trades. You're talking about a plumber, electrician. That down the road, if that's something that you're interested in, I want to push you into that.
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But the type of work you do, I think it would be a nice transition, and we're talking about a much better situation when it relates to hourly rate plus benefits plus a nice ladder forward. But listen, Zach, we just gave you – I mean, this is easy compared to calls that we get. Selling that truck changes your life.
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You guys will be fine. You got a small mortgage. Let's see if we can get you a better rate on that. But just doing what we said is selling the truck is going to make the margin there.
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Get after it, my man. There's no sitting around waiting anymore. You got to move. This is the Ramsey Show.
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Yeah. Corey, did I hear you say you guys are investing 35%? Yes. Yeah. You know, look, here's what Dave has taught for years. And, of course, we sing that chorus as well. What we teach is in the baby steps. Are you familiar with the baby steps? I'm assuming you are.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside Dr. John Deloney, I'm Ken Coleman. Glad you are with us today. 888-825-5225 is the phone number we'd love to hear from you. Let's go to Orlando, Florida, where Adam is joining us. Adam, how can we help today?
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I thought we just covered this. You can't. And John said, let it go.
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Is the issue you, which we would understand that. You've got to get over that. But I understand you feeling that. Or is it her? Is she putting pressure on you? I mean, what's the reason for this call? What can we help you with?
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Hold on. So are you actually engaged? Because you started off the call saying, I'm going to get married in about a year and a half. Is there a ring? Well, there's not a ring. Are there animals going back and forth with the arrangements? Are you with many goats?
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Well, who hit it off? You and the dad or you and this girl? Me and the dad, I've never really talked to him. That's what I thought. I thought I heard you say, me and pops hit it off, and I think I might marry his daughter.
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So you get to do whatever you want, but we've prescribed for 15%. And you guys are in great shape. So you could say, we're going to go back to that and we're going to invest 15% and we're not going to stop. When John and I said yes and, that's that. Now, if you want to do more than that, you can. but that's the rule of thumb and you're in great shape.
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I think that's probably the better word. I think that's what it is. I think that's actually the right word. Let me ask you this. Where are you at on this deal? Do you want to do this? I don't care how cool Pops is or not.
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um well i mean she's pretty she's really pretty no no bro you're not answering my question and i think i know the answer do you want to marry this girl or not i think i think i do no you don't no you don't even know her you want to please your mom is what you want to do you want to make your mom happy because she insists that you marry this wealthy moroccan girl
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Nothing crazy, nothing like... Bro, I'm not marrying somebody that I talk to here and there. That's an acquaintance. What are you doing?
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In all honesty, why did you call us?
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Because John and I want to help you, but we've already told you how we feel.
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I feel like we're on a hamster wheel.
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So you called us saying, guys, I don't know what to do. I don't think I can provide for her. It doesn't matter. She chose you and Pops chose you, it sounds like, or the two of them got together and said, this is my guy, and you're just going to go along with it. So, therefore, it doesn't matter if she's disappointed. It's got to be the greatest get-out-of-jail-husband card of all time.
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So at which point you now go, okay, if I'm going to invest 15% or 35%, then whatever's left over, how much of my income am I going to set aside for continuous giving? So John's right. You can give where you are, however you're moving throughout the day, you find opportunities to give. But for strategic giving, Then I would put a budget number on it.
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I would tell pops to get you a good job. That's what I would do. What are you worried about? Why are we even going to school? I mean, this guy's wealthy and he selected you. The whole thing is foreign to me, Adam, and we're having a little bit of fun with it because, quite frankly, it's so absurd I can only laugh with it.
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And what is absurd is I'm not insulting other – I probably already have, but we'll get over it. The absurdity is your attitude towards it. I'm not going to judge another culture and arrange marriages.
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What culture do you come from? Are you an American family?
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This is a generational thing for your parents. This is a very normal thing for them to arrange or insist. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's what I'm getting at. So I don't understand it, but I'm not knocking the tradition because I don't understand it, and I want to be very clear to our large audience on that. What I'm saying absurd is your response to this, because I feel like you've got an option to go, deuces, I'm out, or... I kind of think I'm going to do it, and yet you called us to go, what do I do?
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I'm pleading with you, and I mean this. I hope you remember my voice multiple times tonight before you go to bed. Please don't do this. John, am I right? You can hear it all over him.
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This is awful, but I'm going to be real.
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If I was in Adam's situation and the father approached me and we're hanging out and we're bros, and he goes, hey, by the way, my daughter over there, that's my fourth one, would you like to marry her? She thinks you're cute. I'd go, let's talk terms.
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That's true. But, I mean, if we're going to do all this, let's go, all right, what's the job? Do we got a slush fund? This is wackadoodle. I don't know how else to process that. Oh, Adam. He needs to fall in love with somebody quick. Hey, send us a wedding invite. Me and Kim may show up.
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And so let's say you said we're going to do for sake of discussion. Let's say you're going to go back to investing 15 percent. And that's the continuing build. But then you go, OK, we're going to then we're going to take that 35 we've been investing. We're going to invest 15 and we take 20 percent of our income. And that is now our giving fund.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey show. Thrilled to have you with us. I'm Ken Coleman. Dr. John Deloney joins me and the phone number for you to jump in is 888-825-5225. That's 888-825-5225. Okay, folks, a little bit of a mild roller coaster going on in real estate right now. That's just the reality.
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You know, a lot of experts are saying we're going to stay in this interest rate range for most of this year. Who knows? They don't know. We don't know. Uh, But the reality is, is for years we've said marry the home, date the rate. And so whether you're buying a home or selling a home, this is a massive, massive decision and transaction.
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And I'm Ken Coleman, and so we are here for you today. So no money personalities, but we know the basics, and we're going to help you out. We're going to get behind some of this stuff. So excited to have you with us. Corey's going to start us off, John, in Detroit, Michigan. Corey, how can we help today?
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And to John's point, if you feel generous and you want to leave a $500 tip, that comes out of that number. If you want to invest in a nonprofit, a mission organization, your church, some type of charity, I would find a cause that's near and dear to both you and your wife and something that has a story attached to it that connects to you all's story. I think that's a great way to do it.
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All right, let's go back to the phones. Vanessa is joining us now in Phoenix, Arizona. Vanessa, how can we help?
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No, of course not. You know that, don't you?
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God bless them. They don't know as much about real estate as you do. True or false?
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Never mind. Okay. Bad tack. Let's go this. Okay. Let's go by the numbers. Can we do the numbers? Okay. All right.
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Let's say I want you to give me these numbers. Super simple. You sell both rentals. Okay. How much money do you walk with cash?
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Okay, I didn't ask that. And I want you to keep this simple because I'm trying to help you, but you're confusing me in your answer. You sounded like a congressman on a Sunday morning show there. So direct question. Stay with me. I'm trying to help you, okay? Okay. First of all, you need to get a great real estate pro, okay? Somebody who can give you real comps. Real numbers. Real comps.
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But I want you to be modest, okay? You own two homes. What do you think you walk away with on a modest sale price of both rentals? Give me a modest ballpark figure. You've thought through this, haven't you?
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Okay, so you're going to have $500 minus $238 is what? $272 left?
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Am I doing my math right? I'm doing it quick. I was a history guy. So $272,000. That's after we paid our house off. Now, what is it going to cost you to build this property, this next Airbnb property, on your actual house now that you have a paid-for home as your main living? What's it going to cost to do that?
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But you get to decide. But I would just start immediately doing it. And you've got the margin. And so now if you're investing 15% and you are giving 20% or whatever ratio you want to do there, I would start right away.
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So if I'm hearing you right, And I'm going to round down. We've got $30,000 cash left over. We have no debt at all on any properties. My home that I'm living in is paid off. And I've got an actual rental property that is going to spit off cash in perpetuity that it's paid for. Yes. Versus being $238,000 in debt on your main home and how much in debt on each of the rental homes.
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So what do you like better? When I just ask you those numbers, what future do you like better?
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Great. So I'm going to hand you over to my friend who's really smart with emotions and mental stuff. And John, now that I've just pulled out what she would prefer to do, which interestingly enough lines up with what we would tell her to do, what about these people in her life that know so much about lumber?
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Hey, Vanessa and John, do you both remember the classic Miller Lite ads where it was like, when we grew up, it was like, great taste, and then the other half of the bar would yell, it's less filling, and it was a debate? Here's what's going on, Vanessa. Here's what I'm hearing. You're saying... My life is better. And they're going, better interest rate. Yes. And it's this goofy, weird, what?
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It's a dumb thing. You're going, my life is better. And they're yelling, but you got a better interest rate.
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It's the goofiest thing I've ever heard.
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Again, we're not genie in a bottle, so I'm not going to answer that. I like John's answer. You get to decide, Corey. I'm not turning to page five in the Ramsey manual right now to answer that question because that is so individual to you. We're not being coy.
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You got it right, Vanessa. Do your plan, not theirs. This is The Ramsey Show.
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You do what you want to do. But my only advice on that is, John, and you weigh in on this, if I was in your position, Corey— I would be giving a substantial chunk consistently to something that I deeply connected to.
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A lot of questions for you there, Doc. Well, I mean – A lot of emotional questions. I mean, I would just say on the dream home is I would – if you can get out of it, get out of it. Yeah. And then start to dig out of the situation from the business because this is – there's a lot of stress right now.
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And there are times when that happens.
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I agree. And to your point, the only thing I'd say on that is if she doesn't feel safe financially, which this circumstance would absolutely do that to anybody, then what you've got to do is I'm going to take shame Whatever shame there is, and it shouldn't be, but I understand that's a natural emotion.
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But I'm going to go ahead and take shame over feeling unsafe, meaning I'm going to get out of these problems. Oh, heck yeah. I'm going to go back away slowly.
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I'm going to do what we need to do so that I feel like that my financial world isn't crumbling. And then once I get there, that's going to do wonders for dealing with the shame.
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That's right. But it's really hard to deal with all that at the same time.
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And you know what? I want to throw this out there, John. I know you're going to agree with it, but it just popped in my head. We need to say that if we are very wise and intentional in who we choose to be our friends— Those are the people you need to go talk to about. Not need. You have to. Instead of shame, you can enter with shame, but real friends will go, hey, don't worry about it.
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I would leave it at that. You get to fill in what deeply connected to looks like.
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They're not going to leave you. No. They're going to actually make you feel good and, dare I say, safe.
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I'm going to tell you, and I mean that with everything in my being, Stacey and I have always been intentional, but I'm telling you, we've got friends like that around us right now that I'm just telling you, It's everything. You just have to have the people that no matter what's going on, you can snot in front of them and cry an ugly cry or be weak or doubtful or insecure or whatever.
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And they just come around you and they lift you. And it is so important. So I just saw I heard that. I was like, you know what?
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Yeah, so basically what that means is like once you get out of baby step three, okay, and you've got that three to six emergency fund, three to six months, then you begin to take the budget. We reorder the budget, right? And so we take 15% of take home and we invest that, and that is for retirement. And so you begin to make that happen. Now you start working the rest of the budget, right?
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And so now we go, okay, we're going to put some, we're going to put what we can away for baby step five, right? And so you may have enough income where you can do all at the same time, but you may not have enough income to be able to do that. And so you may be in four and five for a while. Does that make sense?
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Yeah, because it's not about before. It just becomes the thing. It's now, this is the next thing we do. It's like budgeting, right? So once we get through baby step three, the automatic is every time we get a paycheck, we're putting our money away for retirement. So it's just in perpetuity. Does that make sense?
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Yeah, that's a really good call, actually. You know, because we have a lot of people that join us all the time, John, and so do you want to talk about the momentum behind that and why Dave, over the years, developed that so it feels, and there are times where you can do four, five, and six all at the same time, but that's a function of margin.
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It really is. And we say, we use this phrase a lot, and it can sound cliche, and I don't want it to be cliche today, but we talk about we're moving now out of Baby Step 3, and we've been super, super intense. And now we want to downshift, if you will, to intentionality.
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So from intensity to intentionality.
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Welcome back, America. Thrilled to have you with us here on The Ramsey Show alongside Dr. John Deloney. I'm Ken Coleman, and we're here for you. The phone number, by the way, to jump in is 888-825-5225. That's 888-825-5225. All right, Ken, I've got to jump in. You're jumping in.
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So... So if you're old enough to know the show Inside the Actor's Studio. Legend. If you remember that, we're a famed movie television and producer, professor. James Lipton would interview the best of the best of actors, directors, producers, and he would do it in front of a classroom in a theater, but a true classroom.
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And then the students themselves would get a chance to jump in and ask questions. That's the concept of front row seats, why we call it front row seat. because we will be doing this in front of a live audience surrounding a very small, intimate audience surrounding me and the guest. And then we'll do virtual audiences.
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And so where you can sit in almost on a group Zoom with somebody that you would never get the opportunity to talk to, but you don't just listen. and learn, you actually get to ask questions. That's why we call it Front Row Seat. And we're focused on three things. We want people to get better personally. Think of all the areas of your personal life. You think about your relational life.
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Tell us about this wealth. We know we're going to be wealthy. Give us a picture of what's going on and when it happens.
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It's where you're focused on helping people. You think of your physical life, your mental and emotional life. We bring whatever version we have to work. And so we want people to get better.
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So bringing in people that are experts in all of those areas, deep dive, how can we get better so that we can go to work and we have the best opportunity to do our best work and move up, whatever move up looks like. And then ultimately, as you move up in America, you get thrown into leadership positions that you're largely not trained for. So some leadership 101 stuff. So you're thinking about
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You know, personal growth topics, growth development topics at work, and then Leadership 101 stuff from some of the best voices in the world. Our debut episode out today, former governor, first female governor of South Carolina, Nikki Haley. Now, if you're on the Trump side of things, you're going to have to get over it because it's not a political interview.
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This is a leadership interview. And I'm going to be sitting with people that are left.
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Right? Middle? Don't even want to talk about it? Because this conversation is designed to make us think, to make us feel, and to make us do. And that's what we're doing with the show, and I'm really excited. That's my roots, by the way.
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Yeah. And I've had the opportunity to do a lot of coaching here on the Ken Coleman show, but this is a natural evolution of what I've always wanted to do. And I think that, you know, I always tell people that, So do what your heart tells you to do. Follow your heart, Dave, and the leadership. This is a show that I've wanted to do for a very long time, and so we're doing it.
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And it's designed to, again, bring in a large audience. If you listen to this show for money issues, you're going to love this show. And so the audience themselves brings in a representation. That live audience represents the people listening and watching. So I would say this, and we'll move on to the calls. You can get it on YouTube. Podcast app, the Ramsey Network app.
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All you got to search is Front Row Seat, Ken Coleman, and it'll come up, and it's live now. And I will say this. This interview with Nikki Haley, a deep dive on her past as a child, an immigrant who dealt with bullying because of her race, a woman who broke a barrier. Mm-hmm. and then stood up for one of the biggest issues that divides us racially. I mean, this is a woman of great substance.
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Whether you like her or not, I think you'll learn something from this interview. That's all I'd say on that.
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That's my favorite part is allowing people to get a chance to speak up and ask a question.
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Thank you, bro. I love it. I love it, man. There it is. Front row seat now available from Ramsey Solutions. You can get it wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube. All right, to the phones we go. Sarah is joining us in Charlotte, North Carolina. Sarah, how can we help today?
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How old are they, and have you done any investing so far?
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$6,700. Good. So if you were just to look, if you get on RamseySolutions.com after this call and pull up our investment calculator, punch those numbers in. And it'd be a real fun exercise for you to see, okay, add 18 based on those two amounts and put in a modest return, nothing crazy. Then you're going to see where that number is going to add up to. But I think, John, I like her question.
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You know, There's no magic answer, but you get to about $100,000. I'm curious, if I were you and I'm thinking what education may or may not look like 15 years from now.
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Yeah, that's what happens when you trust a politician with an empty promise that's not constitutional.
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So how does it feel? I want people who are maybe new to this program going, they paid their house off. That was the debt. What does it feel like to not have a house payment now and then as you look toward the future?
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It's a very nice move. So what was the increase in your pay? Because we looked at the total. You guys went from 60 to 145. How much did you increase?
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And then Shiloh, you and your husband need to be aware, because every union is different, but one of the major potential strikes that's coming down the pike is UPS right now. And in that particular, this is one of the largest unions, the largest union in the country.
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Okay, so I actually know a little bit about this story.
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Well, no, no. Actually, Dave is still right. What we want to do is that has been reported that the union is saying, and this is posturing as well, but your husband's got to know how much am I going to get paid during this strike and for how long because these unions have money set aside for strikes, Dave. Okay. But it's not forever and ever and ever.
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And so what you have to look at is you have to get the numbers. We could survive. I'll continue to get paid for three months if the strike goes beyond. So these are the kind of facts that Dave is talking about. He's right. We pay attention to this and we go, okay, I know that for three months.
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That's right, and it'll never happen. But the point is, is the unions have enough money in a pool. Your husband needs to find out, how long would I get paid for? And see, this is the point that Dave is making. So we could survive, we pay off the debt, and we replenish that emergency fund, even in a one-month strike. Because I don't think it goes longer than 30 days. I don't think it ever happens.
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These are the facts that you're talking about, Dave. So you've got to know.
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It's not going to last a long time.
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FedEx will eat their lunch.
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And one other point to point out, this is like Dems and Republicans posturing over the debt ceiling. Let me just tell you, it don't matter who they are. I've been around long enough to know they're going to keep extending the debt. So when I hear that headline, oh, it's going to shut the world down. The Republicans are going to shut the world down. They're going to keep extending the debt.
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This is posturing a negotiation. You know this well. So in this case, nothing to worry about here at all. You're going to be paid at least a month as well. Even the union folks are saying we have about three months worth of dues set aside that would pay our members while we're striking. Right. So those are the nuances but actual facts that help you make this decision. Massive deal.
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Hey, that's why you pay me to do it.
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Oh, no, I'm not. I just have to pay attention to work-related issues like this, you know.
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I've been listening, Clayton, and I've been where you are. I actually hear me ten years ago on this phone call. So I just want to say this. Your issue is not comparison. Your issue is fear. And you're afraid you're not going to be able to do the things that you would like to do because you're too stuck in the headlines.
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What's the most famous case of a story being taken very seriously?
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yeah it's a joke because cnn yeah cnn really didn't do that huh who knew yeah as far as we know yeah yeah as far as we know is there anything off limits for you guys or how what's that editorial process like when i even hate to say editorial but there is a version of that
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And what you're not focusing on is, as Dave has pointed out, you're crushing it, number one. You're really ahead of the game. This is all going to compound for you, and you're going to be fine. You're going to take some great vacations. But what you're not focused on is what you can actually do.
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All right, so I got to know this. If you look to the recent past or maybe 100 years ago, as a satirist, who would you have loved to have been in the public scene now where you could have taken a crack at them? Whether that be in the faith-based world, politics, sports, what comes to mind when I ask you that?
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You're focused on all these outside circumstances, the economy, inflation, whatever else is going on in your head.
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Yeah, you need to start focusing on your income and what you're going to make next year and the year after that and how you're going to be able to make more money and that you can go out and determine your financial future. You're already great, but you're forgetting all this headline stuff and all this fear and comparison. Here's what you're forgetting.
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What got you banned from TikTok? TikTok.
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You know what's crazy about that is they won't let you make fun of anything, but they'll let kids go on and say stupid crap about time blindness and how she's mad at her boss. This is the latest rage. Time? Oh, this will make Dave's head explode. I'll have to tell him during the commercial break.
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He can't handle it on the air. It's too much. But they'll let kids rage.
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But you can't make a joke.
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Your ability, your wife's ability, to put a financial plan that includes increasing income. You're going to be able to pay for all those things.
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Might not be in all states. Today's question comes from Nikki in Kansas. My husband has been at his current job for over five years. He has received yearly inflationary raises. A new manager position was recently created and my husband considered applying for it. But before he could, it was given to another employee that has no previous experience in the role.
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This new manager now repeatedly asked my husband for advice and wants him to work extra hours and to cover his lack of competence. I think it's time for him to find a new job, but he wants to make it work here. His annual review is coming up should he mention the situation and bring up needing increased compensation or a path to growth.
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Well, Nikki, when somebody has done me wrong, I found, Dave, that my wife Stacy has always taken it worse. I don't know if Sharon's that way or not, but it feels like this situation where your husband's griped a little bit about this, Nikki, and you've gotten really upset about it. And I would listen to your husband here. He wants to make it work.
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And based on the facts you've given us, he never raised his hand for the job. And because he didn't raise his hand, whoever hired this other employee is not on the line for that because they can't read minds. So in this situation, I always tell people to never ask directly for a raise. I teach to talk about a growth plan after you talk about a desire to grow.
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I don't know if that helps you, Clayton, but you've got to shake all that stuff off. You're inside your head so deep.
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In other words, I think in his interview, he needs to sit down and say, hey, listen, you know, I was thinking about raising my hand for this other position. I didn't. And that's on me. But what it did show me is that I want more. I want to lead. I want to step up. I want to climb here at Company XYZ.
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So to that end, in my review, whether you got it for me today, but in the future, in the near future, I'd like to meet with you and discuss a growth plan. What tools can I add to my tool belt? In other words, skills and experience. And then what are some shortcomings? What are some areas that may be blind spots for me?
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that I need to be aware of so that I do better and make myself a better employee? And then can we lay that plan out And how do we measure it so that you and I are operating off the same sheet of paper, same sheet of music? And if we measure that, will that lead to opportunity for more responsibility, which should come with more compensation?
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That's the spirit, the posture that you should have so that you do not put your leader on the defensive. Because many times they are not the sole decision maker in you getting a promotion and a raise. And so the reason I prescribe it that way, Dave, is it allows them to have some ownership in it. They don't feel put on the spot. They don't feel backed into a corner.
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And then we have an adult, mature, professional conversation about a path forward.
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That's correct. That's very obvious.
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Yeah, you've got to show some hunger. I think what they want to see here is I want to get better, I want to do more, be more, and that's attractive.
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I did that. I did that for radio.
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I want to say one other quick encouragement because, Dave, I think you're absolutely right. I just want to echo what Dave said. We have, with all young generations throughout history, but even more so now because we're in the social media era. God help us. I know. Unrealistic expectations lead to unmet expectations. I can't say that enough.
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I wish I could preach that message to every young person in the world because here's the deal. You nailed it. They think when they get to six figures, that life's going to be an easy streak.
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No, I just – my golf game is in the last category, just unmet, period.
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Hey, it's Ken. If you like what you heard in this episode and want to know more about getting started on the Ramsey baby steps, go to RamseySolutions.com and click on the Get Started button. We'll help you figure out the best next step for you based on your specific situation. Again, that's RamseySolutions.com and click Get Started.
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Yeah, I was getting ready to say it. A lot of people think they do.
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Well, to win, Tanner, in professional world, financial world, you've got to sacrifice. Everybody who wins has to sacrifice something. And what we've done here with this 25%, you are now having to choose. Do you want to sacrifice money, as Dave said, by burning those extra $100 between the 5% that we're talking about? Or do you want to sacrifice a little bit of your time?
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Now, you live in downtown D.C. That's premium. And I get it. You may work on the hill. Who knows what you do? But you're there for a reason. But if you move out into the suburbs of Northern Virginia, I know it well. Yes, it's a headache. But we'd rather you sacrifice the right thing. And that's why we put this. I want people to understand what we're teaching here.
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It's not to be hard and fast on a rule. It's to help you learn what you need to sacrifice. And in my situation, if I were in your situation, Tanner, I would be sacrificing my time, not my money.
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But I was stupid. We have a lot of 23-year-olds that are in a very similar situation to Tanner. Now, just think about this. If he gets a roommate... And now he's saving, let's just call it $1,000 a month, splitting the rent. He's paying off that student loan debt of $7,000 really, really fast, and now he's just stacking money. Yeah, he's stacking cash.
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Yeah, to lower that monthly so that you can put more money in the snowball. That's right.
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That's right. All right, very good. All right, quick break, and we'll be right back with more of The Ramsey Show. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. This is The Ramsey Show. We're here for you. We want to help you win with your money. We want you winning in your professional life. We want you winning in your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Let's go to Boise, Idaho.
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Bryce is joining us there. Bryce, how can we help today? Hey, how are you doing? Good, Bryce. How are you? Good. How can we help?
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Well, I don't think there's going to be a next year. Don't you agree? I mean, we kind of know that. So I want to encourage you first. $5,500 in student loans, cake. Okay? Not fun. I'm not minimizing how it makes you feel. But in the grand scheme of things, you being able to pay off $5,500 in the near future, extremely doable, and we'll talk you through that. I want to talk about the transition.
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I heard you say... that you went to college essentially just to escape a really not-so-great family life. True?
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So you kind of made this decision on your own. Is that also true?
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All right. So you can also make the decision to leave on your own, and no one's really giving you grief about it, or it doesn't matter, correct?
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Right. In other words, your mom and dad didn't pressure you to go to college, yes?
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Okay, great. So I'm a big fan of not going to college in two instances. One, if the degree isn't the only way to do what I want to do, or if the degree isn't the best way to do what I want to do. In this case, you're presenting to Jade and I as though you don't know what you want to do, but I got a feeling you might have some ideas. Is that true?
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All right. Give me the most positive idea you got. The top of the list. We know it's not your favorite list. We know it's probably not going to stay at the top of the list, but I'm just curious right now, what's at the top of the list? And let me put it to you this way. I really want to know what the top of your list is.
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And then, okay, if we were guaranteed we'd be successful at it, would it still be on the list? So I'll ask you that in a second, but I'm preparing your brain. So first, what is at the top of your list?
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um some sort of uh fly fishing guide up in montana probably fly fishing guide in montana fantastic all right now let's ask you that question if i guaranteed you and you in a snap of my fingers you were going to be very successful at being a fly fishing guide in montana would you pack it all in right now and head that way or would you still have questions
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All right, now, so then tell me then what you meant by, well, I got a list of ideas, Ken, but it's not real positive. Is it that it's not positive because you think it's a long shot, dare I say, a fantasy to become a successful fly fishing guide? Is that why you said it wasn't positive?
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show, America. Thrilled to have you with us. We're here to help you win in your life. We want you to win with your money, win in your professional life, and win in your relationships. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. The phone number to jump in is 888- 825-5225. 888-825-5225. Let's get to the calls. You ready to go, partner?
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Okay. What makes you believe that you can't be a fly fishing guide in any state but Montana?
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Okay, great. Great answer, young man. Now, why is it that fly fishing is at the top of the list? Describe why, and give me 10 seconds. Don't make it sound pretty. Just tell me your guts.
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But would you say you also love being outdoors?
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Would you also say that the idea of wearing a white collared shirt and khaki pants and working in a cube sounds like misery? Is that true?
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You love nature, hunting, fishing, I'm guessing. Is this true?
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All right. So you know what I would be doing? I love that you've already gathered information that the fly fishing guide industry is pretty saturated, and for a variety of reasons, which we don't need to discuss, it's very hard to make a living. However...
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would you say that there are multiple ways for a young guy like you who doesn't need a ton of money to get in and get started in other, and let's call it field and stream type stuff, to borrow a magazine title, whether it be the hunting or expeditions, but anything that is outdoor whitewater rafting to fishing, to hunting, does it have to be fly fishing for you to get the same thing you get out of fly fishing?
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Okay, don't get too excited over here, Mrs. Clean Food. What's your income, combined income?
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So you're telling me you couldn't get involved with anything else on the water in some type of stream or lake or something like that?
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Yeah, Bryce, you're going to have to take some advice from your older bro and older sis on this one because we've been down this road. And I understand at this point in your life where you go, that one thing I really, really love is fly fishing. And when I'm doing that, I'm at peace. By the way, that can still be true, but it might be a hobby. It might be a hobby.
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It might be a little side hustle. But if I were you, I would head west, young man, and I would start working for an outfitter. I'd start working in that industry fishing because, you know, part of me wants to go, I think you could be pretty happy if you head down to Florida and you were on one of those deep sea fishing boats and you're helping people pull a big old giant whatever out of the water.
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It was scary. But Bryce, I think you have to, here's my point. To summarize this, yes, I would drop out of college. You don't have the money for it, and you don't have the need for it. You don't need a degree to do what you want to do. And at this point in your life, you need to be away from family anyway. And I think there's some wisdom that you've got. I think you've shown some maturity there.
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And I would go explore, and I would jump from, in this case, I'm fine with you jumping from job to job, thing to thing, in that industry.
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So that you figure out, because Jade, you would have never guessed in a million years that you would have gone from where you went, artist, volleyball player in college, you're all over cruise ships, and now... You literally co-host the second largest radio show in the world, one of the top podcasts in the world. You didn't see yourself sitting at this desk ever. It was never in your bingo card.
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And what did it do for you? Why would it help him? You see, you went on cruises and sang as a professional.
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And Bryce, hear what she just said. You don't have to start a business tomorrow or next year. Just go work and go work in that world that you know you love. It's similar to fly fishing. Don't limit yourself, but get in that area. And I promise you, with connections, it's going to take off. Hang on the line. Chrissy, let's give them a copy of my best-selling book, The Proximity Principle.
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I love that you dropped. I love the gamut. High blood pressure to gout. I mean, you covered it all.
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No, you feel a lot. Whatever you feel, it's a lot.
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I agree with you. But let me ask you this because you're the queen of cutting costs and you eat as clean as anybody that I know.
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you know, needy or... Well, remember, you don't need to be involved in this. This is not your deal. Your husband, now, if you've got to give him a pep talk and fire him up and let him borrow some of your backbone, that's one thing.
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Because is it possible that the sister-in-law doesn't know what she's talking about?
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I get to tell. This is my statement. Of the people that I know. I don't know anybody that eats cleaner than you.
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No, you wouldn't. You would not be okay with your husband being the only sibling who didn't get some of this inheritance.
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Yeah, but I just want to call this out. I know you're going another angle.
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I... I'm not saying you're wrong. I think she kind of admitted that I couldn't hear her. But Michaela, it's very natural for you to feel this way because your husband feels, though, he might be wronged. And when your husband or spouse, this goes both ways, gets wronged, We the spouse. We're on their side. We just really get affected. So all of this is very normal. Glad you called us.
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We've already told you what we think, but your husband needs to sit with dad and soon and just ask questions. This is what my wife was told. Is this true? He gets to the bottom of it and then you guys will have to deal with whatever that is. But make no mistake about it. Her comment about the younger sibling and what they have.
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It's telling, but it's also it's all coming from this one issue.
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We could use it more than them. That's what this is.
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Is it worth digging a little bit? First of all, she's fine on margin and percentage there.
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And that's all I'm saying, Michaela. I want you to feel okay to be angry.
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Because if this is true, you and your husband have every right to be angry.
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I mean, he stuck to his guns. The grandfather did.
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Yeah. Hey, cheers to her, by the way.
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I don't know what Dave would say, but I'm not Dave. And I got a strong opinion on that. If the grandfather leaves the money to his wife, yes, he had explicit instructions, but at the end of the day, he left it to her.
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I think she's right. But my point is, it's now her money.
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She gets to decide what she's going to do.
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Yeah. But in this case, and this is what I don't like for her, I don't like that sister-in-law dropped that.
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On vacation. Yeah. do you think there was a little intent behind it is that what you're saying i don't know and i don't want to go that route because i don't think that's helpful to michaela what i am saying is i would immediately go into the father if i'm her husband and because we don't know if sister-in-law knows what's going on with the nine other siblings
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Well, now that you say that, I have three kids.
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And I remember telling Stacey, because we had three under the age of three, that's kind of happened quickly for us.
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And I remember going, as they got older, going, boy, I'm glad we didn't have more than three. I don't understand how parents who have like six and seven and eight and nine, how do they do it? Now I can see maybe, maybe this happened. Maybe there's some money just sitting over there waiting to be collected.
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All right. Good hour. Thanks for the call, Michaela. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show, where we help you win in your life. We want you to win with your money. We want you to win in your professional life. We want you to win in your relationships. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is joining me. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225 is the number. Let's start in Casper, Wyoming. Marissa is there. Marissa, how can we help today?
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So here's the question I have. And Lauren, I'm asking a question on your behalf, if you'll allow. If you were going to sit at Lauren's table tonight and you were going to do an audit, where would you be looking to try to shave money on what is already a reasonable thing for healthy food? I'm not trying to get you to endorse anybody, but is it online?
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And are you saying that, well, I agree with you, but are you saying that because of momentum?
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What would you be looking at to help her so that she can kind of double down and go, all right, I got some Jade hacks here to maybe see if I can save a little bit. It doesn't sound like she might be able to.
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I agree. But why did you choose keep it?
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And that's where I'm leaning. Momentum is the deciding factor. With us both agreeing that either or, that's fine. But there's a momentum play there. And to your point, 10 grand in the grand scheme of things here.
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All right, let's go to Jaden in Albany, New York, see if we can get a call in here. Jaden, how can we help?
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Yeah. What, what are you estimating your hotel spend will be?
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Yeah, I probably, if that's what I was looking at, you start running the numbers on $80 a night. So with the tow behind, normally we're not fans of RVs and things like that. But in this case, he's saving a lot of money. I feel like that's a good move. Unless I'm missing something, you start running the numbers on those four to six weeks.
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If you run the average five weeks, that's seven nights, right? So you're looking at 35 nights times $80. And you're doing that multiple times? Yeah, I probably would do something like that.
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So he's going to rack up some money pretty quick.
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Well, a little $5,000 one that he pays in cash.
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And it saves him thousands of dollars long term. Yeah.
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Boy, staying in $80 a night hotels, I'd rather stay in something that I know. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You seen an $80 a night hotel lately?
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When you're 16, you kind of got a wide open list. But you also have a lid, right?
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You know, there's like certain things you're just not going to get. So that's everything from I'm bagging groceries or working at my grocery store. I am providing some type of specific services. Babysitting, right? That's a good one. I am pressure washing. I'm cleaning trash cans. I'm scooping dog doo-doo.
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I remember years ago on the Ken Coleman Show, I shared a story of a 14-year-old who started a pooper scooper business in his neighborhood and bought himself a $14,000 boat.
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Went around and said, hey, do you have dogs? If you do. I'll get it. And you're tired of scooping the poop. This is what I charge. I come by every week. And he just went door to door. And, you know, there's a combination there of moxie. And some people are like, I'm going to help this young man out.
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I love my dogs. Let me tell you what I don't love. Pooping the scoop. Yeah. Pooping the pooper. What can a 16-year-old do? Anything that you can do. Do it at this point. And you've got a wide array of things, your hourly jobs, working for companies. Scholarships. Yeah, scholarships.
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You know, I would just get after it and set a goal. Set a goal that's reachable, reach that goal, and then start upping that goal. In other words, you know, it could be intimidating for anybody, but certainly a 16-year-old to set a goal, I want to make $30,000. No, set a goal for I'm going to make $10,000 as quick as I possibly can. Get a little poster board out. Stack 500 there.
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Yeah. And I think that's what I would tell. What would you add to that? Because you're very enterprising.
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Yeah, love that. All right, let's go to Jerry now in Kansas City. Jerry, how can we help?
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And do you have any debt at all, other than the house?
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How many barbershops does one inspect in a given week?
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Well, I'm going to turn you over to my colleague. She's got her retirement calculator handy, ready to go, and she can walk you through that. But one of the things I would just kind of put in your mind to think about after this call and over the next couple of days is how can you increase your income? At 57, I know you can, but at 57, I'd like to see you dramatically increase your income.
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I really would. And what I mean by dramatically is I'd like to see you try to get it to six figures. Now, you may have to do that through two jobs, but I just think you've got this opportunity right now, have such low expenses, it sounds like to me. You have no debt. You almost have a paid-for house.
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And that's just right now. I am really in favor of you. Jay's going to give you some real numbers, but I would circle a number, and I think Jay will help you at the end of this call. Have a number in your mind and go, if I earn this much and I put all that into retirement, I think you would be surprised what she comes up with. And with that, I pass the baton.
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But I want him making more money because I think he's got a chance to really make up grounds.
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Yeah, where's your biggest expense? What would you say is your biggest expense?
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And the great news is, Jerry, you have such little expense, and it sounds like you're very frugal. So this is increasing your income. And here's the deal. A guy like you, that state job, I'll bet you, I know you have a lot of travel there. I would start thinking about transitioning out of that. But I know you probably love those state benefits, and you're probably counting on some of that. But
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I would really look at that experience that you have, being an inspector, your detail guy. I just think kicking the tires to see what other career path, similar to that kind of work, but in the private sector would pay, and or some part-time work or contract work. Because if I could double my income and you were to put the doubling away, you're going to really be comfortable.
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uh at one point you'd be able to invest beyond the 15 i agree and that's going to be a huge free because listen social security we don't know what's going to happen with that we already know in the next 10 years benefits could be significantly less so we don't want to depend on that yeah but you can do this jerry that the best is yet to be for you but i do think it's setting your eyes a little higher on income and invest in yourself and i think it'll be very very very stable all right quick break we'll be right back with more of the ramsey show
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You got a little something in the throat there?
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show alongside Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman, 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. We'd love to help you. Jade's going to lead out on any of your money questions, and I'll lead out on your income questions. We want to make more money so that we can actually do good things with it.
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As we've said on this show for many, many, many years, your income is your greatest wealth-building tool, and I want to help you win at work so we're making more money. So call away, and we'll do our best to help out. Luke is going to start us off in Atlanta, Georgia. Luke, how can we help today?
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We're doing well, Luke. What's going on?
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But it doubled in that amount of time?
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Cleared the throat? Let me clear my throat, she said. Come on, Kim Coleman. We're already getting it started. I know. We're going to have a lot of fun today, by the way. Just a sheer warning to you. We're going to have fun while we coach you up. Lauren starts it off in Knoxville, Tennessee. Lauren, how can we help?
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But are you saying that Lauren can go back to that same budget? Lauren, this is why you called. I'm hearing Jade's okay with that number.
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I want to lean in on something. You just said something I think is good. Luke, if your wife, if you could just snap your fingers based on her degree, what she's done in the past, what could she make ballpark? Be conservative. If she went back to work tomorrow, we had something sitting there waiting for her. What do you think she could make?
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Bro, I'd have that conversation because let's say you put every bit of that take home to these student loans. You're paying this thing off a lot faster than you think.
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grants help or whatever the only way we were getting through you know it's a racket is uh is uh you know doing it and then then you're like well that was a bad idea yeah you guys you guys are poster children for this racket the federal government uh soapbox warning federal government has turned itself into a bank It was never intended to be a bank.
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The student loan program, make no mistake about it, is a bank for the government to make money off the backs of the people it is supposed to serve. And this couple is an example. So I'd get real aggressive, try to knock it out quickly, because this stuff, you just don't want it hanging around forever. And please, if you're listening to this, don't go get a student loan. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is joining me. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. We'd love to have you join us. So every day we take calls on The Ramsey Show and we don't know what happens after we hang up the phone. Did they take our advice? Sometimes we go, maybe they shouldn't. You know, who knows? We don't always have great days, right?
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But this is fun. The latest episode of 90 Day Money Makeover is now available on our YouTube channel. Episode 2 features Sean and is it Dara or Dara? Dara. Dara, who just cut their income in half after welcoming their new baby boy. And now Dara is working part-time. They're going to have to make other significant lifestyle changes to continue paying off debt.
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The $10 a gallon milk from Farmer Roy.
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But they don't have to do it on their own because... And my partner over here, Jade Warshaw, is walking alongside of them. This is so fun. This is kind of like your version of Extreme Home Makeover, huh? You're kind of getting in with folks, sitting down with them.
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Ramsey Show YouTube channel. 90 Day Money Makeover is what you're looking for there. and this was really fun. So this will really inspire you. By the way, speaking of the Ramsey Network app, it's the only place to get the full episodes. That's three hours of the Ramsey show. That's the only place you can get all three hours.
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Download it for free using the link in the show notes or searching Ramsey Network in your app store. If you're on radio, don't worry. After this segment, we continue our third hour. So again, the Ramsey Network app, only place to get all three hours of the Ramsey show. All right, let's get to Mianca in Washington, D.C. Mianca, how can we help?
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You guys have worked hard. You guys have worked hard, Lauren, to have this margin to then eat for life. I like this. This is really fun. And I got to tell you, I'm telling Laura, I'm telling you, I'm telling the entire audience.
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Guess what I signed up me and Stacy for in February? Wall Pilates. A sourdough class.
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I'm going to go learn how to make sourdough and I get to come home with the mother. Is that what they call it?
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Well, two mothers. Come home with two mothers. Come on.
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So you and Sam got to come over. Guess what I'm going to make for you guys?
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Thanks for the call, Bianca. We're cheering for you. This is The Ramsey Show.
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I'm going to make it on my big Kamado Joe for you.
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No. But I'll tell you about it. All right. Quick break. We're just getting started. We're having a blast. We're going to help you out. That's probably one of my favorite calls that I've had in a while on the show. Really interesting. Don't move. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Thrilled to have you with us alongside my friend Jay Borshaw and Ken Coleman. And if you're ready, you're finally ready. Some of you have been listening for a long time, some of you for a little bit, some of you brand new. Welcome to all. But if you're ready to finally make change in 2025, this is the year. You said, all right, we're making changes. This is a must.
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January 23rd, we've got our free live stream, Take Control of Your Money. hosted by Dave Ramsey and my friend Jade Warshaw. Jade, I feel like I shouldn't talk about you when you're right here. You guys were meeting. I walked by the other day and I heard you guys having a meeting.
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This thing is on the rails. It's ready to go. It's out of the oven.
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What's it going to be? January 23rd. Take control of your money. You and Dave got some fun cameos as well. Why should people come to this?
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Now, they should be charging you fine folks for this, but they're not. Free. It's a free event. And this is really cool. When you sign up for this free event. You also are entered into our cash giveaway. That night, or at some point, five people who actually attend this free event, this live stream event, will win $4,000 each. That's a lot of money.
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So you sign up at ramsaysolutions.com slash live stream, ramsaysolutions.com slash live stream, or you can also click in the show notes section. Uh, to go to this event. And I don't know why you wouldn't do this because for some of you want to kickstart your goals.
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Coming to this event will do this. However, for large.
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Well, if you're sliding it over there, maybe it's Dave's money. It's Dave's money. I'm just sliding it your way. It's a fun night out. Maybe try to squeeze in a budget weekend trip.
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I mean, that's a pretty fun little trip.
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Sierra's up in Atlanta, Georgia. Sierra, how can we help today?
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Look, you called the right place. This is a great question. And I can't think of a better person to be sitting beside on this one because I'm in the middle here.
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See, now, in this case, and I love your call out, Jade, but I think in this case, Sierra, I'm commending you and your hubs for putting the entire $18,000 towards the debt snowball because that in itself is a pain.
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Like when someone gives you $18,000 and you go, whoo! And you got to go, oh, there it goes.
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They'll feel it. And so you guys are on your way. This is a real blessing. I mean, Jade chose the right word there. This is such a kickstart to this. What will be left in your debt snowball once you apply the 18? Run those numbers.
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I don't know where I'm at on this. What are you going to say? I'm going to lean on you.
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And to that end, Karen, we're trying to solve for you here. Could you make similar money just grooming for somebody else? just somebody else who's got a business and they're looking for a solid person like you, you're not going to flake on them. You've got the skill set. Can you make the same amount of money working for somebody else as a groomer?
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And what about 20 hours? Like, just work part-time. They need groomers. You're a dream for somebody.
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I'm trying to find one. I know, but Karen, listen. We want you to sell all this stuff, and you've got Social Security coming in, work 20, 30 hours, do whatever you can. But selling the RV and selling this van gets a whole lot of money.
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That's it. Rewind this whole deal.
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Do it. I'm sorry for the sound effects. No, it's great, actually. I like that. Really? Karen... Hit the rewind button and get out of this deal. Go work for a local groomer who is going to be thrilled to have a 66-year-old experienced, non-flaky, Gen Z groomer. And they're going to pay you well, and you get some breathing room. Am I right, George?
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about between 35 and 40 do it it's it's a it's a 24 okay where the hell am i gonna live rent somewhere within a over some old lady's garage because she needs some companionship and she wants somebody who can i'm telling you where there's a will there's a way what's your payment on the rv um 440 441
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I guarantee there's some golden girls in your community that would love to have a roommate. I mean, you've got to look. You've got to find it. You've got to happen to life, Karen. And we've been talking to a lady who life has been happening to her. You've got to flip the script here. We told you exactly what to do. This is doable. But you've got to do it. Change your life. This is The Ramsey Show.
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It may not be available in all states.
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I'm not a fan of that parenting strategy. Just going to call that out. The baby needs to sleep in its own room.
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You've got to select. This is like trying to get your phone to work in your living room on the TV to show everybody the family videos. There we go. All right. Let's see if this works. Let's see if Dad can figure it out. Is it working, James?
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Here it comes. Booyah. There it is. Oh, how about that?
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I'll put my readers on. And you can go into play with the interest rate.
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That's right. By the way, I'm going to fully commit to the readers now on the air since you outed me. They look great. You outed me, so I'm going to go ahead. It's giving Clark Kent. Well, you know, it makes it a little easier to read, folks, because I'm very mature. This week's average 15-year fixed mortgage rate dropped to 5.79%. I wanted to mention that.
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Now, this is the lowest since October 2024. So if you're thinking about buying a home you love at a price you can afford, and it becomes very possible when you work with a Ramsey-trusted real estate agent. These are pros that are hand-picked to guide you.
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Find a local pro for free at ramsaysolutions.com slash agents, ramsaysolutions.com slash agents, or click the link in the description if you're listening or on podcast and watching on YouTube. The show notes is a treasure trove, as I like to say. Of all the information. But, you know, now's the time to move if you feel like you're ready to move.
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You can't guarantee that these rates are going to keep dropping.
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I'm stuck. And I hate that for people. Yeah, I do too. Let's go to Seattle, Washington, where John is waiting for us. John, how can we help?
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Yeah, but this is more than groceries. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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I mean, what are you contributing to this? You sound like you're pristine the way you've set this up, but I've got to believe that you've got some habits.
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Okay, so you thought it was coming out of the debit account, I mean, excuse me, your debit card or your bank account, and it was actually on a credit card. So was this malicious?
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You guys got to sit down. You called us for help. But bottom line, you said she's a big fan. So she's open to all this stuff. You guys get to sit down and track spending for 60 days so that you just have a really good idea about what's going on.
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You guys can do this, man. This is communication. I hate to keep simplifying this. And we're here on one side.
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Well, I know. Yeah, a little less running and a few more meetings. That's what we need to do. There we go. This guy, those running shoes aren't cheap. That's why I don't run, Ken. I save so much money. This guy's so much into running, he's got a coach that's coaching him how to run. I'm going to start racing against elementary school kids. That's my version. What are we doing, man?
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Tell you what, I'm not running. I'm sitting on this break. This is the Ramsey Show.
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell is alongside. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Isaiah is going to join us now in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Isaiah, how can we help?
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Tell me what's going on. Where are you guys getting your parts from, these medical supply parts, I'm assuming is what you're talking about.
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So hold on a second. Hold on, hold on. I just got to ask a few questions. So your company is importing medical supplies from Mexico, correct? Exactly. Okay. And all of them? or some of them of your inventory that you're offering, how much of the business is affected by imports from Mexico?
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Why are you losing it? You guys are just going to stop buying and selling those? No, we're going to get hit with the...
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All right. That helps. That's why I'm digging in. So you're talking about your profit margin is definitely going to get hit, but you're not necessarily losing business. No. Okay. And what is your leadership? Because here's the other part of this equation. It's how much of that cost are you guys going to pass along to your customers? You understand?
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That's why guys like me, free traders, I don't like tariffs, never going to like tariffs. So don't at me or send me hate email. I'm not going to read it, and I'm right. So we'll just leave it at that. Tariffs become taxes. It's just that simple.
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So are your leadership, are they talking about, hey, we think we're going to actually lose accounts because we would have to offset our increased costs by importing these parts from Mexico, and now they're more expensive due to the tariffs. And we can't offset that by passing along to our customers. So therefore, we feel like we're going to get really hit hard. What are they communicating?
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Because that will help George and I in answering your question. What's been communicated to you? Or are you just looking at the headlines?
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By the way, while I'm here, I'm just going to leave this here for all of you who want to be educated on things beyond just your personal money. This is why I don't like tariffs. You have fixed contracts, and this creates a problem.
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I know. Trade wars are never fun. Okay. I'll leave it at that. There's your geopolitics lesson for today. Okay. So, George, does this constitute a storm? No.
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I don't think it's going to be. I do think that, I do, I can't predict this, but I do think that the tariff situation is going to be settled at some point in the near future.
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Yeah, I would keep my ear to the ground. I'd keep my ear to the ground, Isaiah, on this. But how much debt do you guys have?
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I'd wait for a little more communication. I concur. I concur.
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You know what? I feel like we need to take a couple minutes here and talk about guidelines versus headlines. Ooh. Can we do that? I like where this is going. So here's what you're going to see in the headlines. You're going to see the stock market drops yesterday, almost 900 points. I haven't looked at it today. You're seeing the tariff news, right? Trump's not backing down. Canada's bowing up.
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Mexico's bowing up. Are they going to negotiate what's going on? China's getting involved. You're going to watch all these headlines. Now I'm seeing stuff, and I look at all the different news sites, by the way. I'm apolitical in my news gathering because I want to know what people are seeing. You're going to see headlines about, is a recession going to happen?
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You've got realities right now of stagflation is kind of hanging out. For those of you who didn't pay attention in the sixth grade, stagflation is where inflation goes up and the economy goes down into a recessionary state. That is real. So you've got all these things. If we're not careful, George, We get so focused on the headlines and we feel like, oh boy, I got to be nimble.
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What am I going to do? I got to get in front of this storm when it's not actually a storm. And then I want to say, we've got to be focused on the guidelines. The stuff that we teach makes you recession-proof. Yeah. You know?
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In a similar field, maybe have something lined up in case you got to jump ship. That's what I was thinking.
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I wouldn't pause the baby steps, but I would say, all right, let me look at what if worst case scenario happens, which by the way, based on what I could pull out of that situation, again, this is the negative side of tariffs that nobody wants to talk about if you're in love with one side of the aisle. You just, well, he said we're going to do it. Let's all do it. Woohoo.
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And it's like, whoa, hold on a second. This has real economic impact, and this is an example. So in that situation, you cannot control what the White House does, so we say you control what you do in your house. And so don't stop knocking out debt, but start looking for a fallback plan if for some reason you got laid off.
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And to tie a bow on all this, because I'm trying to inform you folks, this is why if you're going to do tariffs, you've got to deregulate, you've got to cut taxes for businesses, because the whole goal of this is to not be... reliant on foreign countries for imports. Let's make products in America, American-made products. I'm all for that. And you heard small businesses.
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That's the backbone of the economy right there. So there's your lesson from the headlines. Follow our guidelines. You'll be okay. This is The Ramsey Show.
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george campbell it's hard to find hygienic but thank you well i was going to take people to that mental image but you did so i do find you to be very hygienic thank you you know a little known behind the scenes fact here before we get their first call george uh brushes his teeth and mouthwashes that's actually every show thank you i stay fresh for america so and the guy's got a real minty fresh breath coming at me when he when he throws a comment so i thought you ought to appreciate that
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You're breaking up on us, Nicole. You're not in the closet with that credit card, are you?
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This is The Ramsey Show, where America hangs out to have a conversation about your money, your profession, and your relationships. The phone number to jump in is 888-825-5225. I'm Ken Coleman, joined by my pal, the Natalie-attired George Camelazinger. Wow. All I could think of was, your profession is Ken's obsession. I think that's a good tagline. I like that. That's a great call.
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You're trying to cool down before you call mom, and maybe it's a boundary. You know what I love about this, Nicole, is that you have the discipline to get rid of it. And I feel what she's feeling. She's like, do I really want to have an unnecessary conversation? Because she shouldn't be having it in the first place.
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I think it's a text. I'm going to go with a text on this, Nicole. Okay. I think I'm feeling you, and I'm going, I don't want to talk to mom about this, but maybe a text. Hey, mom, listen, I don't need a credit card. Don't ever want credit cards. Don't do credit cards. I went ahead and closed it out, but just FYI, don't need one. Thanks, and just let it go. You know? Yes. Yes.
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It's just, I get you. You're going, I don't want to burn the calories trying to explain to mom all this stuff.
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I think she must have got a deal or something. Maybe she clicked on something. No. Really?
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I just want to get to the bottom of it. I know, but I think mom must have clicked on a deal or something. I don't know.
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It just feels like a weird thing. It is a weird deal, but I think she had proper motivations. She didn't get how you do it. So anyway, that's my two cents. I'd let it go. I'd do a text, and I wouldn't do a phone call on those kind of things. It's like trying to explain a way of living.
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To somebody who doesn't live the way you live. That's a lot of brain calories. It's a lot. It's a lot. As you would say, the juice ain't worth the squeeze. That's what I would say. I would say that. And it's true, by the way. Samantha's up in Syracuse, New York. Samantha, how can we help?
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See, George and I, we cannot even process how manly he is and how talented he is. I couldn't draw a house, let alone build one. That's impressive. I couldn't build a house with popsicle sticks. Couldn't do it.
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Hey, I just want to tell you, we got two minutes, and I know you have part one and part two.
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I agree. This is a tough conversation. Because... My guy went out and just got himself a new truck. A man and his truck will not soon be parted. So now he's got to say, what? Huh? And she's got to hold the line and he's got to agree or else this is going to be ugly. This is the Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell joins me this hour. The phone number is 888-825-5225. Let's go to Dylan, who's joining us in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Dylan, how can we help today?
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Uh-oh. Well, the good news is my co-host today is George Campbell. Oh, boy. He wrote an entire book about this. Be aware of the traps.
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There it is. His signature quote. What's going on? Why are you falling for these traps?
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So a 40-year-old man decides to take his mom to Boston for July 4th. I mean, I get it because I like history, but I mean, that's like, I mean, like, how are we taking out a loan for that? That's not like a big deal, like that big of a thing. You could have saved up for that. Am I right? Right. How much did you take out? $11,000. Goodness gracious. Would you sit in the front row of the Boston Pops?
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No. What were you doing for $11,000 in Boston for July 4th?
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that's yeah i don't know like you you actually drove to the payday lender and went yep this is it this is where i'm gonna get some money i think i know what it is dylan can i take a stab can i take a stab as what's going on because this is how you started the call you kind of started the call kind of going you're presenting as a guy who feels like he's unable to fight the temptation of these type of loans that's the way you present it is that a fair analysis
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Okay, great. So it feels like the reason, based on what evidence you've given us so far, is you just get this spontaneous hair, this idea of like, oh, I want to do this, or this would be fun, and you don't have the cash for it. And so you just decide, well, let's just go get some loans right now, and I'm going to go do this and figure it out later. It sounds like it's that simple.
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You can't control your impulses. Is that right, or am I wrong?
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Yes, they are. Dylan, did I just stump you there? No, I think you're right.
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I think you're profoundly sad about your life. That's what I think. Is there truth to that?
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Yeah. And Dylan, I just felt that. And I was willing to take a risk there. And I don't say that to shame you, but I think you need some therapy. I really do. I think you've got to get to the bottom. See, anytime somebody does something like this, it's only a manifestation of something else. It's the symptom. It's not the problem.
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And it just sounds like you just need something to medicate the sadness or an uneasiness, a lack of just satisfaction. And I think if you can reframe that with some help through a professional, I'd call better help. I really would. I mean, I'd start there. And it's affordable. It's convenient. And I'd start figuring out what's going on there because –
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A phone call with George and I isn't going to snap you out of this, if I can be completely honest with you, because the temptation is going to present itself tomorrow or the next week, and quite frankly, you're not going to be hearing George and I's voice.
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Yeah, Zachary, if I might, and I don't want you to feel attacked at all, but I just am getting a sense that there's a real reason why you haven't done it for your own cards yet. What is it? Because when you paused, I've just done this enough. I got the $10,000. What's going on? There's a reason.
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You need to get to the bottom of this thing and begin to see, oh, I've got some pain, and if I can get healing on that, all of a sudden I'm not tempted by this medication in the form of, these trips or whatever it is you're doing where you go get quick money to get a quick high, the quick high of life. And I think that's what's going on.
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I hope that encourages you, but I think that's what you need to be dealing with right now. George, I want to give you a thought.
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Yeah, I agree. And I got a weird feeling like the pup was agreeing with us. I do feel like that. Did you feel that? That was like the pup was in the background going, amen, amen. I think the dog is feeling the anxiety as well. These dogs, they can feel things. It's just a hunch, folks. I don't know if that's true, but I felt like he was really chiming in when we were dropping in the hot stuff.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell joins me. 888-825-5225 is the number. Let's stay right here in our neck of the woods. Elijah joins us in Nashville. Elijah, how can we help?
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Oh, I'm so sorry. What do you mean you weren't able to keep up with the workflow?
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Hold on a second, because this will be material later. What do you mean? Were you a mail delivery? Were you a mailman? Yes, sir. I'm a mailman.
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And you just couldn't get mail delivered in the amount of time that they have allotted for you? Yes. Do you agree with this? Yes. And what is the reason for why you couldn't get the mail out in time?
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Well, and I got to ask another follow-up, George. And I'm not trying to pick, I'm trying to understand. When you say, I'm a slow individual...
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Okay, so let's own that. So let's own that. So when George asked you, you were like, I don't know. No, you know exactly why you haven't done it, and you haven't fully submitted to the idea of a budget, and actually every dollar being, that's why we call our budgeting app EveryDollar. You haven't submitted to that. Yes, I did download that. You need to download it. In fact, you know what?
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So you have some mental challenges? Is that what I'm hearing?
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But it's not a diagnosed disability? No.
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I get it. And I don't want to hover on that, but let me just say this really quickly. It is important as we go forward for you to dive into what's going on. You may just have some processing challenges, which is very, very, very, they're calling this neurodiverse now. So the point is at some point you want to get to the bottom of this so that you can realize your limitations and,
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and then we can get you into a better situation. But I know that's not the main reason you called. But it is probably relevant. So go ahead. What's your question?
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We'll do you one. What can we give him, George?
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I'm looking at them right now. I'm in the $5,000 range. And here's a Honda CR-V. It's a 2002. It's old, but it's only got 115,000 miles. Hey, it's got a lot of life left in it.
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That's a great deal, and it took me 30 seconds to pull this up.
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There you go. We're going to get you started.
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Christian, I am emailing you that car right now because it just so happens he's local and I don't want to say it over the... But I'm going to at least give him a start. This car right here, I've got the link. I'm sending it to Christian and he'll give it to you.
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Right, so we start thinking. You need to start thinking and start looking. So what is a position, based on your past experience or even what the –
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uh the mail service is telling you they're going to reassign you what is the position what kind of work is it and do you feel um that that's a good fit for you with some of your it doesn't put you in a place of limitation it puts you in a place of of of ability what is that role um
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Perfect. I think. What have you done in the past that has been something you've done well and you've shined in? Do you have anything? Mm-hmm.
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Did you shine in those roles? In other words, you'd got the job done. It wasn't something where you were struggling behind other people.
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You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking your big box stores, your targets, your Walmarts, your grocery stores. Could you get into some type of, again, very repetitive process heavy. It's not fast. It's not, you don't have to be fast. You just got to get the job done. Be thinking about those things because all of those places need people they can depend on.
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And Elijah, you got, you got character, right? This has been established. Thank you. They said, man, you're a good guy. We want you back. We just need you in a different role. That speaks to your character. So get your chin up, number one. Number two, get your eyes up. Start looking for some of those fallback opportunities. And check out the link that Kristen's going to give you.
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We just got you a car that you can pay cash for, my man. And it's still got plenty. A Honda? 115,000 miles on it? You can drive that to 2050. And minimal mechanic work. You drove a Honda forever.
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Right there. That's an alley-oop. That's... It's as close as I'll get. Folks, they call that chemistry in the business. This is The Ramsey Show.
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And in that process, say, hey, babe, here's the deal. In me leading us now and doing this, we're not using credit cards. So if we don't have it budgeted for Mickey D's burritos and what do you call them? Hash browns? Hash browns, yeah. I almost said hush puppy. I got seafood on the mind. I think Long John Silver's. Babe, there is no wiggle room on this. Do you understand?
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Thrilled to have you with us. Hey, have you heard about Dave's new book, Build a Business That You Love? I have. Have you? Have you heard about it? Decided to read it. You know what I like about it? He says it's the baby steps for building a business, for growing a business. He gives kind of the six stages of the business. Fantastic new book.
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And this is timely because we've got a new set of data that's come out, George, that says... 70% of Americans want to be self-employed, but only 6% are. Big gap. Big gap. The reason is because it's very hard. It's intimidating. So whether you're somebody who wants to own your own business one day, or you've launched, or you've been at it, and you just can't get to the next level. That's right.
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This is a great book for you. As I said, it's The Baby Steps for Running a Business. You can pre-order it now for $29.99, and you get over $350 worth of free bonus items, including... the Entree Leadership Hiring Playbook, the e-book, and the audio book. And this book is, again, on pre-order right now. You buy it right now and you get the best deal plus all the good stuff.
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RamseySolutions.com slash store. RamseySolutions.com slash store. And I got to say, Dave always has his picture on the cover of the books. That's kind of his thing. Yep. That's a good photo. I think it might be his best photo ever. He's got the smize going. Is that what it's called? I think.
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I feel pretty good about what I'm going to drop on you in this book. Exactly. A lot of confidence there. I like that. He's earned it. Yeah, and he looks as cool as the other side of the pillow. I think he's got a shacket on, which you and I, let's just call it out.
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He did. He made fun of us when we first started wearing shackets. I think I dropped the word on him. Which is a shirt jacket, if anyone's confused out there. And true story. And he made fun of me. You know, shacket. Three weeks later, what's he wearing? Shacket. A shacket. You know what happened? He made fun of us when we weren't around in front of Sharon, and Sharon validated it.
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Oh, I like Ken's jackets. I think so. I think it's exactly what happened. So we'll never know. I'll ask him next time he's in. Kara is up next in Casper, Wyoming. You ever been to Casper? Have not. Would love to visit. Me too. Kara, how can we help?
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Well, why don't you describe for George the starter, what the cost is, how big it is, and then what you consider the dream home and how much that is to get us started. Give us those descriptions. Okay.
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I'm not trying to control you. We're in this together. So if we budget $50 a month for... For McDonald's, that's it. And I don't know how far that'll get you.
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There we go. That's the honesty I'm looking for. That's what we wanted you to know. We just wanted you to, because a part of answering this question is for you to get to the mindset of going, that's what my dream is now, but in the grand scheme of things, a lot can change. How old are you and your husband?
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Well, time is ticking, Kara. Sweet girl. You are truly, truly a child, and I don't mean that in a mean way. I mean, like, compared to me. Now, Ken has boots older than you, and I know that for a fact. That's an absolute truth, by the way.
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There was some hesitation there. You didn't say that with confidence. Do you know why he's saying it's a year or two away?
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We don't know how you're going to get up that down payment with your income. We don't know. You've got to explain it to us. How are we going to sock that away?
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How much do you plan on putting down?
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Well, no, I knew you were going to say that. While we're in debt.
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Well, no, I'm just trying to teach a little bit. Here you come over the top of the wall. Sorry, I got all fired up. Go ahead, scream at them. You're not going to see the inside of a restaurant until when.
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Yes. And it gives you options. So the reason we like you getting the starter home is what George just laid out. Because here's the deal. Five, seven years from now, the dream home might be an $800,000 house with a nice pool. And you can get it.
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I'm going to jot that down. That's good. You should probably submit that to Christian Hallmark or whatever that is. But, Kara, are you with us on that? That's the smart play. It gives you momentum. Okay. It makes you become a great investor right out of the gate. You guys have no debt. And that home is going to appreciate. That's the point.
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But you've never been married before, right? Like, this is a whole new deal. You're only 21. So, you know. You guys are in incredible shape to even be doing this a year from now.
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And for all the reasons that that current house in the 400 range is a dream home, for all those reasons, most likely, it doesn't matter to the kids. They're so little. They don't even know. They'll look back on this first home and think it was huge. Oh, yeah. Do you remember that? I love that. Going back to your original house, and you're kind of like, this was like a matchbox. Oh, yeah.
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How did we live in this? And I remember as a kid thinking, this place is huge. Yeah.
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Yeah, we shared a bathroom with my mom and dad.
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Wow. All right. Well, good hour. Good times. Man, thanks to George Campbell. Sorry it got apocalyptic there, Ken. I just had to bring us home. It was just very heavenly. You were just writing some great stuff there. Thanks to James Childs and our fearless crew for keeping us on the air. Thank you, America, for listening. This is The Ramsey Show.
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I think so, too. Zachary, love that you just joined us a week ago. Hang on the line. We're going to get you taken care of with every dollar. You guys can do this. Love that you two want to work on it. Sounds like there's some harmony here early on, and that's all it takes to work. All right, real quick, before we go to the break, if you're going to cheat at McDonald's, what's the one item you get?
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I want to help you make more money. I'm the work expert, if you're new to the Ramsey world. And that's what they say anyway. I don't like actually calling myself an expert. But I'll tell you what I can do. I'm going to help you figure out how to make more money in your work. So that George can help you with the budget. What do you do with that money? Pay it off debt, investing.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. Thrilled to have you with us, America. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell is alongside. Karen is up next in San Antonio, Texas. Karen, how can we help today?
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And how soon were you planning to pay that off when you just stared 48% and went, ah, no big deal? How quickly were you planning to pay that off? Those were your words.
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So you were okay with a 48% for a year?
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And that's the one-two punch today. And we also think we're kind of funny. We try. We try to make this show enjoyable when we're together. We're going to give you the same advice, but we're going to have a little fun. So if you don't like that, I'm sorry. There's nothing you can do about it. That's Ken's way of saying kick rocks and pound sand if you don't like that. That's exactly right.
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I'm trying to understand the desperation that led you to this. Yeah, is this for your business?
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And I've used a mobile groomer as well.
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Got it. But the only reason we're digging on this is we're trying to figure out how we help you get out of it. So the question is, was the $29,000 for like a van or some type of vehicle? Or was it just the equipment? Or was it just other stuff?
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So how, if we were to sell this, can you sustain yourself on just regular pet grooming? Or do you have to be mobile?
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Speaking of helping people, you ready to go? Let's go. Let's go to Zachary in Omaha, Nebraska. Zachary, how can we help today?
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So I'm going to go try to do my own thing on my own. And you realize how hard that is. And it's put you in a deep hole. I think what we're trying to tell you is that you can't take no for an answer. In other words, it's the restaurant, multiple restaurants, a bar. They said no. Fine. You pivot. You go to big box stores where they are hiring. You keep going.
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You don't accept, well, I didn't get it here. I didn't get it here, so I'm not going to get it anywhere else. There are jobs that you can get that do way better than unemployment, but you have to keep showing up and you can't just go in and apply. You've got to talk to everybody that you know on social media, in person. You find a job doing whatever it takes to get you on a bridge.
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So that you didn't have to rely on these credit cards. Now you've got to go get work just to dig out of this. And I mean like two or three jobs to dig out of this. Because Jade, as you said, this $60,000 is no joke. It's a lot of credit card debt.
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Anything at this point. Until the technology market opens up a little bit. And then what are some adjacent jobs that you're qualified for? Maybe it's different than what you've been doing. My point is you have to treat this like it's life or death because it is life or death for you financially right now. That's where you called us. You are in bad shape.
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But it's very fixable if you can begin to get some money coming in the door. You change your budget. I mean, every dollar. I don't know what you want to give her here. She needs some help. She needs some resources.
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Get after it, Kelly. Everything you got. You don't take no for an answer. A no is just not here. And just keep on moving forward. All right, quick break. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show alongside Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. Glad you're with us. 888-825-5225. Hey, the best way to make the most of your money is by creating and then sticking to a monthly budget. That's why we created EveryDollar. We believe it is the best budgeting tool on the planet. Help you plan spending, track expenses, save for what matters most to you. And it's easy.
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You can download EveryDollar for free in the App Store or Google Play or click the link in our show notes if you're listening on YouTube or your favorite podcast platform. Now, our last call. Jade and I were talking during the break. I want to revisit this quickly because Jade got fired up.
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So let me ask a quick question, Eli, on this, because I love how vulnerable you're being. And I think you've nailed it. I think you've diagnosed what's going on, that you can't do this on your own. And so we're going to walk with you on this call.
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And, you know, listen, bottom line is, and love Kelly, want to help Kelly, but it is a difficult thing to lose one's job or to see an interruption. It just is. Psychologically, we've got to call that out. It's difficult. And so it can really throw us off.
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But there has got to be an awareness of that so that you develop a mindset that if you're in debt or you have been living paycheck to paycheck or both, which is usually the case, You can't allow that to keep you from continuing to bring in income.
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And it's almost like we had a whiteboard. If we had a whiteboard in the studio, I would have wheeled it in here. Oh, man. I would have given you a fresh marker.
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Come on. So I'm looking at your notes here. You jotted down five things that you think people need to do. Yeah. or why they need to get back to do any work. Set this up for us.
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This is the Ramsey Show, America. It's where we help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. Alongside the fabulous Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. Phone number to jump in, 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. You ready to roll? Let's rumble. Let's go. Eli is joining us in Dallas, Texas. Eli, how can we help?
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I would agree with this. Right?
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But before we dive in deeper, I'm just curious, if you'd be willing to share from your gut, what do you think is the emotion that's driving all these impulse purchases for you? What do you think it is? How would you describe it?
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You know what happens? You don't feel very psychologically safe. When you lose a job. So you need some emotional safety is what you're talking about here. I like that.
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No, you don't have to say the brand, but what kind of calls were you taking?
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And did you have like a little cheat sheet of the basics you could help with and then you handed them off to somebody else?
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Okay. On a scale of one to 10, how soul sucking was it?
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So my point is it was no, but that's you because you're mentally tough. I'm saying how rough was it?
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you know over 200 and some odd you're singing whitney houston covers yeah in a fabulous probably a nice suite with your hubs traveling all around the world and now all of a sudden you're on a you're that's not fun that's the point yeah i'm saying hello you sucked it up big time
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When you do that... That was a message version. I liked it. Yeah. It was a message version. It was really good.
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You need to get that typed up, printed out, and dare I say, oh, I just lost it. Thank you. You know where I was going. That needs to be a little, you just pull that chart out. Jade's five to be alive or something. That's really good, actually. Really good. All right. Let's get back to the phones.
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But by the way, real quick, I hope you listen to what she said because that is a fabulous pep talk for somebody who's in between jobs right now. I'm telling you, that right there is a mindset plan that she just gave you. You've got to keep your mind right.
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Because you're not going to get out of debt if your mind is destroyed. And it is very, very hard when you've lost steady work. We acknowledge that. All right, to Kristen we go in Lexington, Kentucky. Kristen, how can we help today?
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We're doing great. What's going on?
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Kristen, I love what we're doing here. I need a refrigerator magnet, Jade. I'll be the first person to buy it. Maybe that's my new business.
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By the way, I grew up in a magnet household. My mom had them and my grandmother had them next door. And so you just took me back, Kristen, to some serious nostalgia. How can we help you today?
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Stop. There it is. So now we're going to go deeper for a second. Okay. You said desire, but it's actually something else. What do you think it is based on the fact that you didn't have it when you were a kid and now you want it? What is the deeper emotion? It's deeper than desire. What's driving the desire to get stuff? What do you think?
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I appreciate that, but if you sold that house today, you're there.
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We will include it. We just won't tell him, okay?
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Not bad at all. Again, go to the Smart Investor Pro section on the website, ramsaysolutions.com. Make a couple of meetings and decide from there. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Yeah, you do. You just took us there. Go back to your childhood. What was your childhood like?
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is alongside. Phone number is 888-825-5225. Jade's going to coach you up on how to handle your money. I'm going to coach you up on how to make more money. So let's go. We're going to start off this segment with a question from our Ramsey Network app. This question is from Brody.
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He writes, I'm 27 years old and I bought a house about five years ago. I've put a lot of labor into fixing the house and it is worth a lot more than I had originally purchased it for. I just met with my financial advisor and he suggested the idea of taking out $150,000 HELOC on that equity and investing it into a mutual fund to earn more money from my house.
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Is that the right move or the wrong move for me? And I'm betting, Jay, that the financial advisor is selling him that product.
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Financial advisor's got himself a commission in his head.
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Oh, he did say mutual fund. No, he said mutual fund. He did. So essentially it's like the financial advisor is going, hey, let's put a big lump sum in your mutual fund.
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Big commission. And then he could say, well, you're fast forwarding this.
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There you go. All right, to the phones we go. Jeremiah is joining us now in San Antonio, Texas. Jeremiah, how can we help?
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Okay, 70K. And what is it worth a private sale right now? If you went on Kelley Blue Book, what would the value be?
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Yes. yes okay jade thirty three thousand dollars worth of cash no no three thousand dollars he's got cash he owes 33 i wish yeah yeah we do too uh that you had it so uh he's got a car that's worth 25 i'm being conservative here he's got three thousand in cash no other cash anywhere else uh no just i have retirement and no debt other than the truck
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Okay. I kind of would like to see him pay this thing off. It's not like, you know what I mean? There's a couple ways. I'd like to see him own this thing and pay it off. He's got no expenses in his life. Pay this sucker. I'm not against him selling it. You've got this funky face right now. I think he never should have got it. I 100% agree.
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He's living with mom. What do you think? I always tell people to sell it, but in this case, I think he can pay this thing off. He's got no other debt in his life. Now he's got a 2022 Dodge Ram truck, or he could go buy a beater. I mean, I think Jade's right. That's what I almost always say, sell the car.
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See, and let me clarify my position. I'm not saying, Jeremiah, over three years, pay it off. I'm saying, yeah, I know. I'm saying you pay it off in a year. But at this point, maybe it's better off if you don't think you can mentally do that, then I would sell it and I'd go get a $5,000 truck because I can find one online right now. I can find a $5,000 truck.
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But can I tell you something, Eli? You're free philosophically. You're not free emotionally. You're still that little boy who was afraid he was never going to get anything nice like all of his other friends. And so now you're an adult and you're afraid if you don't buy these things that you are that little boy who didn't have anything. And I'm telling you there's something there.
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Okay. Well, then 100%, I agree. No. Those are your two options.
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Pay it down, pay it off quickly, or get rid of it, and I think you need to get rid of it. Yeah. Go ahead and get it out of your life. You're going to sleep better, and you're going to learn a valuable lesson.
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And a $600 a month car payment.
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You know, and here's the deal. Let me tell you what's really going on, Jeremiah. You've never done a budget, have you?
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Okay. Have you used EveryDollar? Are you familiar with our budgeting app? I am not. Okay. Jade, tell the man why he needs to be using EveryDollar because this will help him tremendously. You're a prime candidate.
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It's going to help him save for that next truck that's maybe in the $14,000, $15,000 range. Jeremiah, that's the whole point is get this out of your life, then start budgeting, and then you can begin to see, okay, I'm still a young guy. I can save up and have a really nice truck in the near future. that doesn't have any negative emotion attached to it. Right? Yes, sir. That's the idea, my man.
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So every dollar, download it today. Start messing around with it. To learn this at 19. Oh, you're going to be. Jade, I don't think I'm speaking in hyperbole, but I think he's going to be way ahead. Life years. Way past most 19-year-olds. Just learning to go, I know where my money is.
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And not only do I know where it is, I'm controlling where it's going.
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It's huge. By the way, selling a car that you can't afford, it is the best way to get out of that deal and learn that lesson the hard way. It just kind of sticks with you forever. Always the best choice. Great hour, Jade Warshaw. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Now, again, I don't want to make the whole call about this, Jade, but I just felt like when somebody presents as – I can't do anything about this. I think that's right. By the way, if you ever had a friend who's an alcoholic or if you go through the 12 steps or you're familiar with the 12 steps, the key to transformation is to get to a point where you say, I can't do this on my own. I need help.
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show America, where we help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win in your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. 888-825-5225. Love for you to call in. And if you need to get coached up on handling your money, Jade Warshaw is here. If you need to get coached up on making more money, I'm here. I go by Ken. That's what I go by.
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I've been called far worse. But I go by Ken. Ken Coleman with you. And always fun to be with Jade. And we've got the energy here. We both just got a little bit of caffeine. Got the juice. We got the juice. We're ready to go. Lily in Milwaukee is where we're going next. Lily, how can we help today?
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How long did this go on before the second time that it's happened? How long did it go on for before you figured it out?
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So this is a giant mess. Uh, we could talk about this for, okay. And what's your question for us today?
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And he presented that way. And I think that's great. But I also wanted him to see when there's an impulse. The impulse is just the reaction, and you've got to dig deep and go, what is the underlying issue that is making it so easy for him to be talked into $2,100 headphones when he's broke? Absolutely. And that's real. And Eli, I'm not saying that to put shame on you.
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How, if that's true, then how is it that she just recently was able to get into the account and get 13,000 more dollars?
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Okay, so there's a lot coming at us. Sorry. No, it's okay. But to try to help you, what you just told us seems like the solution. What you just told us, she can't get access to this now, correct? Because of his age.
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All right, then, so you don't have anything to worry about.
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No, this is not worth it, Lily. She doesn't have any money. And the last thing you guys need to do is spend your money on a wild goose chase because that's what this is. This is already awful enough. So if that's your question for us, Jade and I are saying if we were in your shoes, we'd let it go. But I would make sure. Okay.
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that that your husband is on the phone with this account yeah and we're absolutely for certain that she cannot access the funds the second thing is i got to go back to the initial like He doesn't go anywhere near her with his debit card anymore.
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I don't know how he's laying his wallet around and she's just walking into this.
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Lily, this just needs to be a clear boundary here. This needs to be a clear boundary. We don't do anything with her anymore involving money. Period. Done. She needs to get healthy and she may have to hit rock bottom. It doesn't sound like she's there yet.
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I'm actually hoping to help you see something because I think you can recover from this, but not until you deal with the emotion that is driving the impulse.
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Where's little brother now?
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Okay. All right. Well, this is tough. We feel really bad for you. I'm glad you have figured it out. I don't think there's any recourse. I think you guys need a clear boundary here.
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Also, Lily, best we can do is give you a present. Hang on the line. We're going to give you every dollar because this happened because you guys largely didn't have any idea what was coming and going in your bank account. I'm not trying to pour insult on the injury here, but let's get control of our budget so that nothing like this ever happens again. Hang on the line. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show alongside Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Let's go to Washington, D.C. Samuel's there. Samuel, how can we help?
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Okay, tell us where you are in school and how far along you are and what you're pursuing.
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And what is the reason for that?
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And what kind of work are you doing now?
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And is that the field you want to go into?
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Right. But if young Samuel, how old are you again?
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If young Samuel thinks about the future 20 years from now, and we're going ideal here, so I don't want you to be hung up on a lack of belief right now. I don't want you to feel insecure about your answer. I want you to go with what your heart's telling you. What does it look like right now? You can change this answer two minutes from now.
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What's 20 years down the road, a successful Samuel, and I run into you and you go, hey, 20 years ago I talked to you and Jay. Guess what I'm doing now. What would you tell me you're doing?
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Okay, I feel like I got a safe answer, and I feel like I got the real answer.
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Don't tell me that 20 years from now you're going to be excited to run into Jay and I and go, hey, I'm doing remote work in a field I enjoy.
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I know. I'm pushing him a little bit because he can handle it. Samuel, what is it that you really want to do?
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I, Jade wants to give you a big giant hug. Mama Jade is so touched, but Samuel, you want to do real estate. You want to be an entrepreneur. You want to be kind of on the move working for yourself. Is that the goal?
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Okay. So until you figure out what it is that this entrepreneurial adventure or two or three or four may be, then I think you ought to be working. I think you ought to be working because you don't need an associate's degree to be an entrepreneur. You don't have a very clear direction as of this time, which by the way, I'm not judging that at all.
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And so for me, I don't think you should be feeling any kind of negative emotion about taking this semester off. Now, if you figure out what you, you know, you start to get some more ideas. And by the way, I'm going to give you some tools. I'm going to give you my book, find the work you're wired to do. And it has the get clear assessment in it. It'll take you about 18 to 20 minutes to take.
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Will you do it? Yes, sir. Because it's going to give you a purpose statement. And it's basically going to go, I was created to use the top three talents, and it's going to go boom, boom, boom. It's got a detailed report on each of the three top talents.
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And then it's going to say, to do the work that I really enjoy doing, it's going to give you three passions, boom, boom, boom, and a detailed report on all three. To accomplish... My mission of, and it's going to give you one clear answer, which is a result that would get Samuel out of the bed every morning. Now, that's just a quick preview.
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But if you take it and you look at that purpose statement and you begin to lay it out over the world of work, and you begin to allow yourself to answer the question that I put you under the spot. I put you on the spot, I know, it was a little pressure. But if you continue to work through that same question,
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With that purpose statement in mind, I think at some point you're going to come to some conclusions on two or three ideas that would absolutely allow you to use what you do best, to do what you enjoy, to produce a result that you care about. Isn't that what you really want, Samuel?
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So here's the deal. I am all for 19 year olds working and making some money. Mama J. I know that's right. And taking his time and figuring out, cause he's not playing video games all day long. He's being productive. He's hustling. This kid's got a heart the size of the Atlantic ocean. Um, so Samuel, I would say pause.
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And then we jump back into school and here's why Jade, I want to give it to you to weigh in. Cause you need to listen to Jade. Um, If school, a degree, whether it be an associate's, a bachelor's, grad degree at all, Jade, if it is the only way to do what you want to do, I say do it. Yeah. If it is the best way to do what you want to do, I say do it. But absent of those two very clear descriptors,
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then I say stay away from it because you are wasting time and money. This idea that college is, it's so good for the young people to go find themselves.
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It's summer camp on steroids. You can go party on your own. Jade would say you.
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I mean, look, it's as simple as that. So Samuel, I hope that's what you need. Is that what you needed today? You didn't need anything from us, but I hope we answered your question. Yes, I really appreciate it. All right, my man, hang on the line. Kristen's going to get you a copy of the book, Find the Work You're Wired to Do, and it comes with the assessment, the Get Clear assessment.
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By the way, that little book is about a 45-minute read, Jade. It's me coaching people through their assessment results. We need it. I do believe passionately in that product, especially for young people. By the way, there is this massive cultural pressure
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to go right out of high school and get accepted by a really great school so that you make your parents and your principal and your teachers proud. And there's a lot of Samuels in this world who are a lot like Ken Coleman. And we were like, that thing I want to do doesn't need a degree. I'm a college dropout. Because I was working.
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I went to school to get a political science degree because I wanted to run the world. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know. No surprise there. And I got a taste of politics. I got to work on a campaign in the middle of my sophomore year, and I took a whole semester off, and I tasted battle, folks. Hey.
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And then I went back to school and was like, this is the desk job, and I've been in the foxhole, and I was never the same. And thankfully, my parents did not freak out. They weren't happy about it. What'd they do? They just kind of were like, okay, well, we'd like you to finish your degree. Yeah, yeah. Because another year and a half later, I dropped out to work on a Senate race.
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Then I went right to the gubernatorial race, and I found myself working for the governor of Virginia at 22. That's cool. So it wasn't like I was finding myself in Europe.
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And I got no problem with that either. Yeah. I'm a big fan of a gap year.
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Yeah, but you were a D1 athlete. You're far more higher achiever than me.
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I went into the field that I was going to school to get into the field for. I hope everybody understands that. I mean, I'm not saying that everybody drop out of school. No, we get you, Ken. But my goodness, why in the world would I finish the degree?
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People used to ask me all the time, are you going to go back and get your degree? I was like, no. For what? I got a fancy office.
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I'm wearing suits every day. You know what? I'm not going back to college for a political science degree.
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i want to do it to say i did it like it's just uh it's that important to you pay it cash yeah but i would say to them privately that's important to you i'm not going to knock your priorities i go you don't need it yeah yeah i'm just one of these guys that doesn't do anything that i don't need to do listen i get you why do i need a degree
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And tell people what you thought of Sam the first time you met him.
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My all-time favorite thing she says about he's become a good friend. One of these days I'm going to tell him, you're a snack. And he's going to probably punch me. But it'll be worth it.
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We love you, Sam. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Thrilled to have you with us. Helping you win with your money, win in your profession, and win in your relationships is our goal. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw joins me. Why refi? Refinances defaulted private student loans and builds a custom loan based on your ability to pay.
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Yeah, but I thought you set him up beautifully. Eli, Jade just nailed this. I mean, you have to replace the $2,100 headphones with what do you want your life to look like 20 years from now? that's, she's spot on. What do you want for your kids? And so all of a sudden you start to go, Ooh, I want that. And I really want that. You know, it's the trade-off. So how much debt do you have?
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All right. Oh, that's a good question. Yeah.
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That's right. Don't want to be house poor.
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That's like an old school. It came from the depths. It did. That's like an old school phrase.
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That's right. And the zip code. And the zip code. All these things. I mean, come on. And what you grew up in doesn't mean that that's what you're supposed to start in.
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Oh, come on, Ken. And I think that's the biggest thing.
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It's like, well, you grew up in a four-bedroom, three-car garage, and you think that that's what you're supposed to start with. And I'm like, you got to- I think a lot of people do think that. You're right. And it's like, wait a second. I mean, the first house Stacey and I started with, it's like a matchbox compared to what we live in now. I do know.
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And we thought it was massive and scared to death of it, by the way. It's $198,000.
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And I thought, and I thought, and by the way, I did it by the book, the down payment, the way Ramsey teaches it. but I thought I had mortgaged my life away because of the sheer price of the home.
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$198,000 back then. That was like, I thought I was going to die.
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Yeah. Even though we put a nice down payment on, it was over 20%, but it still felt like, what have I done? And so There's a responsibility there, which, by the way, makes me think. I want to just add one thing. I thought your answers were great. This is why we created what I think is one of the best resources we've ever created at Ramsey. And by the way, it's all free.
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It's called Ramsey's Real Estate Homebase. So anybody watching and listening right now, this is free. And it's absolutely chock full. It's a podcast on there. We've got a book on there. We've got a video series, how-to articles, start-to-finish guides on buying or selling anything real estate related. If you're kind of going... What do I do? Yes.
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And you trust us, go to ramseysolutions.com slash real estate. Let me say that again, ramseysolutions.com slash real estate. If you couldn't write it down, can't remember it, go to the show notes for today. It's there. Very important that you understand what all is involved here. So really good question.
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Well, the numbers have gone up. You're right about that. It is a higher level. Yeah.
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I thought that was extreme.
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Like you were living in a shoot.
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And here's the key. Actually, I'm really glad you brought that up because I think some people right now are still going 10 years before you throw shade at my friend. I want to bring this back to you because that 10 years of rent, I'm sitting here with you today and I'm going to take a guess that you don't feel like you pissed that money away.
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So what did the 10 years of rent, which some people right now are on TikTok, Instagram going, what?
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How did that 10 years of renting?
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And now here you are, homeowner.
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People think that that's wasting money, and in your case, it was actually the freedom and margin you needed to get out of debt.
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Craziest thing that happened that you're willing to share when you had another married couple roommates or most awkward?
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Okay. So where did the $2,100 headphones go? Did they go on a credit card?
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Yeah. And that has to be really alarming.
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I'll bet. No pun intended. Wow. Yeah, I was alarmed. I think that should have been a reality show. I hate that we missed that.
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From a distance, little Bette Midler. From a distance. There it is. I knew she would do it, folks. That's all I got to do is tee it up and she can sing it.
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Lady in the lobby is giving you a heart sign. She wants a little Bette Midler during the break.
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That's how you go out to break right there, folks. I'll listen as she sings along during the commercial break. We'll be back before you know it. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. So glad you're with us today as we help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. 888-825-5225. Jade, I'm a little excited about it, and I don't naturally celebrate these things like I should. Super excited.
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Been dreaming about a show concept for a long time, and we've been working on it as a team. The team's done a great job. It's called Front Row Seat with Ken Coleman. Woo! And people ask, has it replaced the Ken Coleman Show? Yes, because it is a very different format.
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Imagine you're sitting in on a deep dive conversation with somebody who's a thought leader, someone who has done something extraordinary in their lives. They are a man or a woman of success. And you get to be a part of the audience. And you're sitting around with us asking a question. Well, that is the format. Live format.
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We record it, and then also we have a virtual format where people can Zoom in, if you will. So we're bringing the audience to the front row seat. That's the concept. It's on YouTube now or wherever you get your podcasts. A new episode comes out every Tuesday morning. If you want to get better personally, move up professionally, and lead effectively, those are the conversations. Wow.
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Yeah, some really fun guests. And the way it goes down is we're selecting people within those categories. So for instance, experts can help out in the area of personal growth. So that would be an expert maybe on sleep or nutrition or exercise. Wow, okay. Right. And so we're mixing it up. Right. And then, of course, we have people that are professional gurus who can help you on certain soft skills.
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Like we just had Charles Duhigg. We just recorded that. It'll come out soon. Pulitzer Prize winning author of the book Super Communicators.
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So we're talking about the three types of conversation. So how do we use those types of conversation to win in our profession, but also win at home?
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You can sell anything. I should have said, can you sell those and get a good chunk or do they devalue quickly?
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And then, of course, leadership experts. So it's very intentional between those three buckets of content, if that makes sense. Well done, Ken. Thank you. I'm really excited about it. It's beautiful, by the way. If you want to check it out on YouTube, the team did a great job with the set. Looks really, really fun. So the Front Row Seat is the name of the show, Front Row Seat with Ken Coleman.
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You can get it on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go to Brianna, who's joining us in Dallas, Texas. Brianna, how can we help today?
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What has created that scenario where you don't believe you have any other options? Give us some details.
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It's sort of selling all the stuff you've bought that you can still sell.
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Okay. What's your combined income?
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Well, sweetheart, if you sell the house, that's not going to give you guys any much money at all.
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Right, but after you pay your realtor, there's very little of this that is going to actually solve this problem.
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Yeah, not much difference. Not much difference.
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Okay. I would consider moving, Jade, in this situation because that's a long way to commute, number one.
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Y'all need to stop borrowing money.
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Like you got in this mess because y'all are trying to do too much and you don't have enough money for it. So if you can't afford every dollar to get a budget, you better get it out on paper.
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Good stuff. Thanks for the call, Eli. This is The Ramsey Show.
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The Ramsey Show continues. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is with me. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. 888-825-5225. Syracuse, New York is where we go next. Kelly is there. Kelly, how can we help?
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And also tell us how much you were making.
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Okay. Real quick, how much were you making beforehand?
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That's right. So, Kelly, I'm not piling on, but I'm going to jump in here. How many times did you apply for a waitressing position?
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How many times did I apply for... A waitressing position at a restaurant. I know you didn't get the one. How many different restaurants did you apply to?
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Right. So, here's the deal. I mean, maybe there's a... So, here... I was like, what was that? I don't know. I opened my computer to type something in. Here's the deal. There could be a myriad of reasons as to why they hired someone else for those roles. But I think what happened was that you were like, well, this is just a bunch of no's and I can't get hired.
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And it sounds like we've got a myriad of issues. So I heard we've got to organize, but then we've got to figure out if this franchise can actually work. So which is the bigger problem, spending or budgeting the money, the little bit money you're making? Are you making any money at all? What's the bigger problem here? Because I heard several things.
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Okay. What are your actual expenses? You're living with mom and dad.
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What's your bottom line? You could make it if you only had this much coming in.
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Melissa, I'm jumping in only because we have limited time with you, and I want Jade to be able to get to this. So what is that minimum number? that you need to just survive? Because you don't have housing. What's giving you a ballpark number? Is it $1,800, $2,000, $1,500? What is it that you have to have? I would say for the month, I would say about maybe...
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Hang on the line. What are we going to give her? Are we going to help her out with anything?
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I like it. All right, you can do this, Melissa. We're walking this through with you. This is The Randall Show.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show, here to help you win in your life. We want you to win with your money, win in your professional life, and win... with your relationships. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is alongside. 888-825-5225 is the number. West Palm Beach, Florida is where we go next. Katie is there. Katie, how can we help?
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Sure. All right, let's start with two quick questions. Number one, do you have kids?
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And nobody to watch them.
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All right, so let's try to get you some clarity. Let's back out of the situation because this is tough, hard to see some things. If money were no object and I just gave you this degree or certification, whatever you're referring to when you're talking about schooling, and I just gave it to you today and you had that done, what would you be using the schooling for?
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What is this path, direction you're thinking that you need schooling for?
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So nursing. So nursing. That's what you've selected. Yes. Okay. And what would you make? Have you done your research? What would that allow you to start out at?
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Well, we've got a real challenge because you just literally have no money for the nursing program. How much would the cheapest nursing program cost you?
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And I mean the cheapest because nobody cares what brand name is on the diploma. We just need the degree.
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Okay. Do you have a ballpark idea if you had to guess?
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If you don't, that's okay. I don't want to hold us up. So we need to know that number.
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show, where we help you win in your life. We're going to help you win with your money, win at work, in your work, and win with your relationships. All three of those are coming together. Hopefully you're winning. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is the voice. And the fabulous face that you see next to me. And we're here together. We're going to help you out.
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Okay. All right, Jade, that at least gives us a target on the future. The deadbeat dad thing, just a real quick question. I'll get out of Jade's way so she can coach you on this, but are there any legal recourse on this guy not paying you what he owes you?
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Yeah. I got an idea now what we're talking about. So is it you, your buddy that you mentioned, you're the two partners and your wife is also helping out just because you can't afford to pay anybody? Give us just a little bit more clarity on that.
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Okay, gotcha. All right. Okay, well, we've got to get our income up. There's got to be a bridge, Jade, just on the income side. There's got to be a bridge from where she's at making $13 an hour now. If we could get her to $20, $22, $24 an hour, I don't care what it is, Katie. It's just you're doing something. You don't have to have a degree to get that kind of money, potentially.
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Now, I know you're in a limited area, so within reason, if we can get your income, is there a bridge or a second job, friends, old grandmas at the church you go to? You've got to get really, really...
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uh innovative in thinking who can help with the kids when they're not in daycare so you can make more money to be able to cash flow this nursing program help me understand the limited area is it you're on base is it to help me understand that very very small town everybody knows everyone west if you get a job west palm beach she's not in west palm where are you i know south florida where are you
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When will the four-year-old go to kindergarten?
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I agree. Just from a logistic standpoint, Katie, because I know you're overwhelmed, who would watch the kids and when would you do the nursing program if you had the money today? Somebody's got to watch the kids. What's that song?
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trying to plug myself into some churches but um it takes a while to build of course friendship and trust so it's a work in progress okay so here's the thing you're doing the right thing here's my point jade's 100 right i want to see you get more income let's solve the who can watch the kiddos while i'm making more money problem i think that's huge Let's get a budget. Jade will help you out.
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We'll give you every dollar or something along those lines. But I think real quick, let's get help for kiddos. They know you're a single mom. They know you need a little help. Let's get the finances completely under control. Let's increase our income.
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And once you're stable there, I think you can save up $11,000 to $12,000 faster than you think if you have better income and you got everything kind of under control and you know where your money's going in and out. I think that's the plan for me. Please don't do the debt. It's just going to put more stress on you. I think it's worth waiting.
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No, it's just, and I get it. This is the lure, by the way.
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Hang on the line, Katie. We're going to take care of you. Kelly will get you hooked up with some great resources to kind of get control of the money, and with that clarity comes confidence to move forward on the advice we've given you. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Oh, mama. And you owe $125,000 of that?
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. Glad to have you with us as we coach you and others up to win with your money, win in your work, and win with your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Today's Ramsey Network app question is from Lewis. We just finished paying off $100,000 in debt.
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Oh, no, that ain't 125. Last time I did math. Oh, that would be... Okay, so you owe 70% of it.
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However, we have only $80,000 saved for retirement and have $15,000 saved for our teenager who will be going to college in three years. I'm 50. My wife is 47. Our annual household income is $175,000, and we only live on maybe half of that.
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Should we not put money into our daughter's college fund at this point and just hope she can qualify for scholarships or cash flow college when we get there so that we can save more for retirement? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Oof, and you guys aren't making anything. You're barely making it, keeping the business going. It's just barely making it.
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Depends on the land. And it depends on the stock market. Well, yes, but we have historical averages on the stock market. So we know what the stock market has done historically. So you've got a range there of what that's going to do. What matters is this land. That's the asterisk in this. What do you know about the land? Is it just farmland? Is it in an area?
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What do you know about the land and the future around it?
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We're not sure exactly what it's going to come up to. You're on the right track. I would want to know, what's the potential of this land over 15, 20, 30 years? Because if it's a retirement, because you're asking apples to apples, and these aren't apples to apples. And so that's what I would be doing.
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If I'm looking at this as retirement money, I'm either going to put it in mutual funds the way we teach here, or I'm going to hold on to the land, and at X age that we determine, we sell it. So as you look to however many years that is from now when you would actually want to use it for retirement, whatever.
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What do you project or what do some land experts in that area project that land value to be? That would be the answer that I'm looking for. And based on that, then I make my decision. And, you know, look, you're going to probably get much better return on getting that cash out now and putting it in mutual funds. That would be my guess based on what you've told me.
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But I would want to know for sure.
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I'd probably go buy a sign today and smack it in the dirt, me, and take that money and put that away.
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Right, and that's why I said I'd take the $750,000 now because it doesn't sound like – I actually agree with you, Jade. I'd want to know what that looks like. And then again, I'm comparing. So I'm with you. I'm 100% going. My goal here is to make more money, and that's your goal too. So the question is, what allows you to make the most money? I think my gut tells me, and I'm not informed –
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But I told you what I would do to get informed. I would add to it what Jay just said, which is, could we be making more money than just leasing to the current guy who's letting cattle run on it?
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Run all those numbers, at which point I'm going to go, if my money has a chance to grow faster by getting it now and putting it in the stock market through the mutual funds, the way we teach investing, then that's probably the way I'm going.
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Because you've got, what, 12 years before you're going to go after it? What do you think? Work until 70?
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You got options. I love that plan. I'd probably sell that dirt tomorrow.
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She's got a good intuition. Glad you brought that up. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome to The Ramsey Show. This is where we help you, America. Specifically, we help you win with your money. Win in your professional life and win... With your relationships. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. We're both thrilled to be together for you. So we'd love to coach you up. Here's how we do it. You give us a call, 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Jade's our resident money expert.
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I'm the resident professional advice expert. Let's make Mo Money so that Jade can teach you how to keep money. more of the money. That's our tango today. So can we help you? Let's go. Christian starts us off in Portland, Oregon. Christian, how can we help today?
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Well, I've got good news for you because I'm sitting next to the budget queen, not the dancing queen. There it is. Do your thing. I think this man needs to know how to figure out a budget.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Okay. Do you have any support around you that could help with her?
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
How many hours are you working, the two of you, on this cooking shop?
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I know, but I'm talking about you're a daddy now and I'm jumping in here because I don't like what I'm hearing and I'm not like criticizing you. But you need to be working full time, even when it's your turn, your custody side of things. That means you see her after you come home from work.
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That means someone is helping you or you are paying for them to help you because you need to be making more money in this offseason.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Is it also fair to say, is it also fair to say that you haven't needed to budget?
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Meaning you've never had to worry about not having enough money. So therefore, there was never a need to watch where this dollar was going and where that dollar was going.
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$7,000 a month is a good chunk.
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Which is why, by the way, Jade, I want him working even though this is a nice blessing. I still want him working.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
All right. So what I'm trying to figure out, Jade, is they got to make money.
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Um, that's almost half of that debt. Not quite, but almost.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I don't know. We didn't have enough time to get into that. What do you want to do? If money wasn't an object, say it, go.
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Hang on the line. Kelly, let's get him a copy of Find the Work You're Wired to Do. It's a bestselling book with an assessment. It'll help. This is The Ramsey Show.
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A $500 gift card. So got a chance to win $500 just for telling us what you think. If you're going to say anything mean about me, just go ahead and decide not to.
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You think? A few. A few.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Today, my sweater is just very low-key today.
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I can't help it that I like some bolder statements from time to time.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
As do you. Indeed. But I think you pull it off better, and maybe people are going, he should probably not try to keep up with you.
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Yeah, I like that. It's a good look. All right, back to the phones we go. 888-825-5225. Dag is joining us in Seattle, Washington. Dag, how can we help?
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All right, so direction in what you do for work after you retire from the main career and then direction in how to invest? Is that what I'm hearing?
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Let's dive in. I have a sense that a guy like you calls this show, you have a couple of ideas that if there were zero resistance, you would go, this is probably one on my list. This is two on my list. Am I right? Sure. Yeah. All right. So give me number one. What would you do if there were zero resistance? Let's say we fast forward and we walk away from public service and boom, we walk into this.
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Well, what about instructing within the actual department?
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So the question is, are you working for a municipality or the state?
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I wonder if there are some training instructing opportunities in different departments. And so the idea here is, here's where I would start brainstorming, Dag. All right, these people know me. I've been a city employee or county employee for X amount of years. I'm in the system. If I can get out of the environment, that's what I'm hearing you say,
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an emergency and I can move somewhere else and still take some of that transferable experience and get into instructing, then I'm not having to go necessarily get any qualifications. That's one option. The other option is, yeah, over the next couple of years.
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you moonlight and get an online teaching degree and then decide, I can go to the local high school, I can go to the local community college. You know, I think it's just laying out all the specific training slash instruction options in your area. Make a list. Where could I go if there were zero challenge or hindrances?
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Then we look at that list and we go, well, I kind of like the idea of teaching at this local trade school, or I like this idea of teaching at this local public school, whatever. And you begin to make the list of this is more desirable than that, and I got my top two or three options.
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And now I start asking the question, and I wrote about this, by the way, and I'm going to give you the book, Paycheck to Purpose. But I wrote about this. There's four qualifying questions. Once we know, Dag, what I want to do, they are, what do I need to learn? That's the education question. Could be a certification, may have to be associates, may have to be a four-year degree.
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What do I need to do? What experience will I need? That tells me where I'm entering or I'm transferring certain experience. Then it's how much is that going to cost me? That's the finance piece. And then finally, based on my finances, how long will this take me? And those are the four questions, Dag. And they're in the book. And I'll give the book to you at the end of the call.
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And it's in the get qualified stage. But those four questions right there, that comes up with a plan. And now it's not intimidating, Jade, because now he knows what he's got to do.
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I think that's your homework there. I want to get Jade in here.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Yeah, that's where I'm coming in. I don't know. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to do what we always do here and I'm going to answer this the way. Go Ken style. So I don't know what you're going to say. And I'm anxious to see what my partner says here on this. But if I were you. I've got to take care of my family first. I'm not worried about the cookie business.
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No one's taking that money back. It's yours.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Come on, Dagg. This is the Rams issue.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I'm really not because I hear it in his voice, and I think there's a greater reality here. And I'm going to try to keep the cookie thing afloat with other part-time people. This is already a slow season.
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Take your phone calls. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Partner, you ready to go? You warmed up? I'm warmed up. Did you do your salt cleanse on the throat or any kind of lozenge? Stretch the hammies. Okay, warmed up the voice. Okay, I like you stretched your hammies for sitting here for three hours. That's pretty good. We're going to start it off in Springfield, Missouri with Isaac today.
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It does not sound right at all.
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This needs to be dealt with instantly.
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instantly like sitting down with lots of leaders going hey look i immediately i got questions don't go in accusing but a lot of questions and good questions good questions why has this been happening yeah uh you said sorry that implies a mistake has it been remedied what are you gonna do about all the back stuff but what's the tone i need to know tone because i i'm having a strong tone
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you and your wife have got to be spending time actually making real money taking care of the family and i'm not sure that there's a future on this cookie deal and i i'm the kind of guy that go i don't want to prolong misery yeah I want to cut bait at some point. I'm not saying it's now. I'm not willing to say that because I don't know enough. We have limited time, Jade.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I'm going to say serious tone. A serious tone.
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Very serious. I like that you asked this, so I want to set this up well. The questions themselves... take care of the tone. In other words, you don't have to be accusatory, angry, a really pointed, specific line of questioning. Pre-thought out, maybe right there in front of you on your lap or on your phone. And in the moment, you're serious. Serious face. We're not joyful about this. No.
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No amiableness. It is seriousness. But I think the questions asked properly... Make it very serious. They go, this is a person who did their homework. This is a person who has follow-ups. There is a line of questioning. They feel as though they are on a witness stand, and that's how it should be.
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You don't have to be ugly and accusatory because you're hoping to get to the bottom of this and get an actual solution. But by doing this, you're going to find out really quick if this is a fishy situation or if this is a fixable situation. That would be my take.
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First question, how did this happen?
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
How did this happen? That's a serious question. Then the follow-up is, has it been fixed? No. Will this ever happen again? What happens to the money that I earned that should have been put? That's the real question. These questions are going to imply a whole lot of seriousness. That would be my posture. Spoken from a guy, by the way, who's not done it well. All right. I mean, because I get it.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I get how the heat should be pretty hot under the hood there. It should be steaming. But can we keep that in? And can we ask the questions that way? That helps us hopefully get some real responses.
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I almost might seek an employment lawyer on this. Not lock up a lot of time, but maybe a consultation.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
This is the thing, though. They've already apologized. That's true. We have an admission of guilt here.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I'm sorry. I should have done a better job asking you. If you know you've got to go have this conversation with the leader, which they do, I might consult an employment lawyer.
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So I know what should be.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
It smells over there.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I get it. Let's go to Denver, Colorado next where David awaits. David, how can we help?
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
But I do think the most important thing is that one of them has got a full-time, decent-paying job that will at least take care of the family. So, again, this is ideal. What would I do? I'd go either Ken or Stacey. Yep. has got a full-time job that takes care of our expenses so that our family doesn't go below water.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
There you go. And what will change is, I was waiting for him to respond because the emotion there.
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But I love that he told you why the call, why the change. The stress of living off of that credit card way that a lot of people do that. Well, I'm going to use it for this and then pay it off. And for him, he's not wired for that. And I'm just thinking about how light he's going to feel.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
And then we fight to keep the cookie thing alive until we can apply some lessons and hopefully get more foot traffic. What do you think?
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You know, when he just starts to do it this way, the way you've told him, and he goes, okay, now I am in full control. I don't have that angst.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Good stuff. Thanks for the call, David. It's going to work. Take a deep breath. Maybe three or four. and it's going to be great. All right, don't move. Quick break. More of your calls coming up. She's Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. You're listening to The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is with me, and we are here for you. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. A couple quick things here before we get back to the phones. You need to be tuned in to a new show called 90 Day Money Makeover. I'm a little excited about this because my partner today, the colleague here next to me, Jade Warshaw.
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You put it on your old Instagram the other day.
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Ken, just tell the folks we're friends. Partner, colleague. We are friends. Thank you. I just mean in the... Okay. Sam and Jade and me, we all go to dinner. We hang out.
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It's a broadcasting thing. I'm old school. I was trained on things like that. It's all just throwaway words. She's my dear friend. Thank you.
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We actually hang out. Let's get into it.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I was bragging on you. You posted something on the gram. And I saw it and I was like, all right. Because I'm not paying attention to your schedule.
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90-day money makeover. You want to tell folks about it or I can tell them about it?
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I remember you telling me about this one where you were out like on a farm.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
My production notes say that you may or may not have challenged her to sell some chickens, a calf, and even a calf. Is this true? When I met her, she had 50 chickens.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
But you told her to sell them.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Did you buy boots for this episode?
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What were they? Do we know?
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Oh, you didn't go with Timberland or anything?
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I could see you wearing some really killer Timberlands on this episode.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Maybe next time. I'm sorry, I interrupted you. So you coach her up in this episode.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
This J.Crew Ralph guy out there on the chickens. Instant entertainment.
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Yeah, from a silly standpoint. It wouldn't be much redeemable content. They show me all these farm tools. I'd be like, what do you do with this? I have no idea, and I don't like calluses either. Unless it's from a pickleball paddle or a golf club. Those are the only two.
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that i like to get good to know all right it's gonna be fun it's really good it looks good i saw it on on jade's instagram so it's very very good trailer looks great yeah it's very good i can't wait uh you know what we need to do we need to have you and sam over and we'll watch it we'll do a watch party since we hang out all the time i yes people want to know that not in the hot tub because we won't do that no
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I didn't know that was an option.
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All right. You're welcome.
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Moving on. Jenny is on the line in Dallas, Texas. Jenny, how can we help?
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
Yeah, I agree. Couldn't agree more. I think this is a therapy session. Marriage issue first, money issue second. I also would say to you, let's get him on that page. Let's chill out on the scorched earth and teach him the momentum once we get him on the same page. Good hour, Jade. Thank you so much for joining us here, America. This is your show. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Yeah. I'd give it a run, but one of you has got to go make a really good living and not all this door dashing and scrapping. Let's get some comfort. See if we can give this thing a run, or is it worth it? At this point, just go, all right, I'm going to take my 70% that I owe, I'm going to pay it back, I'm going to learn something. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Isaac, how can we help?
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show, where we coach you to win with your money, win in your work, and win in your relationships. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. Jade, are you fired up? You're ready to go? You got your talk ready for January 23rd? I'm talking about the Take Control of Your Money livestream.
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I saw your face out on the gigantic jumbotron as I was walking to lunch yesterday. I was like, hello, Jay.
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But going to be a lot of fun. Dave Ramsey and you are going to be teaching people how to stop living paycheck to paycheck so they can pay off debt and finally get ahead. Also, I'm told, Rachel Cruz and George Campbell will be joining for a Q&A, a little cameo.
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Ken, I put you on the spot for a little preview. What can you tell us? What will you tell us?
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Oh, I'm very excited.
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Well, Gucci. Category?
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Can you give me a category?
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I would get it dry clean regularly. You want to keep those nice.
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Wouldn't do yard work in it.
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I'd wear it in with a little bit of pride.
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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out
I like that great metaphor. That's going to put people in a good place of tension. yeah the way you just set that up a lot of people are like ouch i'm treating my purse my shoes my fill in the blank better than i am my greatest resource my money we're not realizing it it's gonna be fun all right uh let's get back to the phones melissa joins us now in orlando florida melissa how can we help today
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Speaking of the example you just gave, she did not know where it was.
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Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
That's right. And on paper, George is right, Steve. I mean, this is a good investment for you. You're a good son. But I'm afraid it is going to turn into because you bailed him out on this, you're going to bail him out on other stuff. The bigger issue needs to be I'll bail like if. OK, I'll just say this, George.
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Steve, if I'm you and I was wanting to do this, I wouldn't do it unless they allowed me, that's you, to get into their finances and once and for all put some type of protections in place so the fraud's not happening all the time. He's just being careless at best if what you're describing is happening all the time.
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So I would at least put some protections in there for you to say, this has got to stop. I'll buy the house. It's an investment for me. You'll live rent free until the day you die. Fine. But that's it. And on top of that, I got to know that this isn't going to happen anymore because I think George is right. I'm afraid Bank of Steve is like, I think that's a reality.
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And I don't think you want that, do you?
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Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
This could really ruin your life.
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Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
I've never seen something like this work out great for all parties involved. Well, he's trying. Steve's a good person. Good son. Yeah. But he's trying to fix a situation he can't fix. And that's what I'm concerned about. It messes his life up. But hey, we've spoken. Quick break. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
Well, we're very sorry about that, and I've got to tell you, does the father-in-law know yet?
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Alongside George Campbell, I'm Ken Coleman. You've joined the Ramsey Show, where we help you win with your money, win in your work, and win in your relationships. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Let's go to Chris in San Francisco, California. Chris, how can we help today?
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So tell me about this. What's happened? What's the deal with insurance?
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This is The Ramsey Show, where we help you win in your life. Specifically, win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. Excited to be with my pal, George Campbell. I'm Ken Coleman, and we're here for you today, America. The phone number is 888-825-5225, 888-825-5225. Let's start it off with Randall in Homer, Alaska. And Randall, we're here for you today.
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Maybe you should stop driving his car. Let's start with this car. You're the common denominator here. I'm not even blaming the moose anymore.
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Getting Your House In Order Is The First Step To Financial Success
Yeah, I don't disagree. I think having a long-term plan, sitting with somebody, and now you guys actually have money. A lot of young couples, we would say, as soon as you get out of debt and you begin to move into baby step three, then 40, okay, you sit down and as you begin to invest every month, what's that long-term play? You guys are there.
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So let's get this money working for you, like George said, and man, how exciting. What a blessing this is for you. I mean, you guys should be very, very wealthy by the time you're 60. Yeah. Very. I hope so.
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Okay, I thought, you know what, I'll be honest with you, I thought you were a little younger than that. He sounds like in the early 20s, mid-20s. Yeah, he's about your age. Yeah, I'm a little older. I'm being generous to Ken. Yeah, you're being very kind. But Chris, you're still going to be very wealthy, you know what I mean, by investing this and getting this working for you now.
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I love that. I would call our friends at Zander. I know Jeff personally, the guy's been around forever, a friend of Dave's. They'll take very good care of you. That's why we recommend them. That's very smart.
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All right, let's go to St. Paul, Minneapolis area. McKenna is there. McKenna, how can we help?
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I feel like you've taken that call before because you went into a head voice there. Oh, wow.
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You did an impersonation of what that call might be.
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You had a little disdain in that.
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Taking on two mortgages. I think you're right. I just like how you went there. I think you've had that call one too many times. It gives you a little indigestion.
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You don't like it? I want to evict it. Do you cover that in your book, Breaking Free from Brooke?
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. Excited to have you with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. George and I are here for you. The Ramsey Show question of the day is brought to you by YREFI. YREFI refinances defaulted private student loans. These are different than federal student loans.
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Yes. And that's peace of mind. I remember the same thing. I remember every time I paid it or every time I would, you know, if I got a better rate, I was just it wasn't about the money. It was about I know that something happens to me. Stacey and the kiddos are going to be provided for. And that's what this is all about.
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I agree. The EveryDollar budget right there will help you see, oh, all right, I can move money from somewhere else, but that is a non-negotiable. By the way, you can get EveryDollar in the App Store or Google Play or the link in our show notes. Clifton is up in Raleigh, North Carolina. Clifton, how can we help?
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Which makes you, yeah, you, this is sticky, but I mean, legally it's your car.
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That is no joke. How long has it taken to pay off $230,000?
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Wow. What? Did you find gold? Did you strike oil?
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You guys are just crushing it on all fronts.
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All right. So, Clifton, a question I have for you. So, what are your quarters? Are you on a traditional first quarter, second quarter, or when is your first quarter done?
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No, just in your business, like with your books, like your profits.
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So of that retained earnings, it's currently $240,000. How often do you put money into that? Is it every month?
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But I'm saying, do you do that on a monthly basis, a quarterly, or annually?
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Okay. Here's what I was asking it one way. I've confused you. Let me come at this. What I would do if I were you, George, push back on this, but you've got $240,000 roughly in retained earnings. You don't want to empty it just to pay off the debt at once.
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And I agree with George, you got five years, but I think where I was trying to go with this is what if you right now, starting today, the 240 or whatever it is, you've got to retain earnings. What if every month or every day or every week, As you're putting those in, from this point forward, I would put it all towards the debt.
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So in other words, or let me say this, if the amount, like what is a year's worth of operating expenses for you? Total expenses, what's a year's worth?
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Okay. My point is you got a good chunk. Leave the big chunk in, but now instead of adding to the chunk, George, I'm saying he should start. Now the retained earnings don't go to the account. They go straight to the debt. I like that. What's your household income that you're taking home?
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Well, wait a second. At some point, he had to sign the title over to you.
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Yeah, but that's personal. The question is, on this business debt.
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For instance, George, if he could put $20,000 a month towards the equipment line. Oh, yeah. That's one year.
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Good call. Good hour, George Camel. This is The Ramsey Show.
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This is The Ramsey Show, where we help you win in your life, win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. Alongside the snappy-attired and also witty-brained George Cam. You're too kind. I'm Ken Coleman. I got to give you two compliments.
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All right, so what's the conversation been with him now? Because I appreciate all this detail he gave us.
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Such a great word. It's a fun word. We should have a word of the hour. You would love that. Maybe we'll kick that around in a program meeting. We'll educate some viewers. Yeah, we'll do that. But nonetheless, we're here together for you. I'm Ken Coleman. He is George Campbell. George will coach you up on the money, what to do with it. I'm going to coach you up how to make more money.
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How about that? Make more money, keep more money. Those would be our names. That'll help you through the baby steps. I think it will. So let's get started, shall we, George? Seattle, Washington is where we go. Michaela is there. Michaela, how can George and I help today?
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Because the truck is in your name as well?
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Is he stable now, at least from an employment and living on his own, or is he still with mama?
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Does he have a job?
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And if he were to be paying you $200 a month, would it make that much difference to you?
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Yeah, but what is he saying now? We've established how this all happened.
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You're very kind. I just... At some point, you can't let people walk all over you like this. What's that?
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Well, I would say this. Yeah, and that's kind of... If you were my sister, and that's how I'm going to react to this, if you were my sister, I would be saying... I would be putting up strong boundary because my concern is the alcoholism and the time. Like my number one concern is not the $200. I'll get to that in a second.
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My number one concern, if you were my sister, would be that's my niece, that's your daughter, and I don't like her with an alcoholic father. I don't care how nice and sweet he is and how many stuffed animals he buys. Yeah. There needs to be a boundary there. And he needs to hit rock bottom. And as long as he's staying with mom and he gets to see your daughter, he's not hitting rock bottom.
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So I would be dealing with that. If it were just the $200, I would say forget it because it's not worth the fight. And I'm not sure it is. And I'm still on that note of it's $2,400 a year. Sure, it'd be great for you to get it. To George's point, he owes it. But, George, I'm more concerned about the alcoholism, the custody, and I might use the $200.
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I might go to the court and go, I need some help with this. And you let him know. Give him some fair warning. Yeah.
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If I were ever a governor of a state, one of the first things I'd do is a deadbeat dad policy. And I'd put them to hard work, hard labor until they shaped up.
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Welcome to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell is alongside. We're glad you are with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. Kristen is up in Billings, Montana. Kristen, how can we help?
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If worse comes to worse, the total worth, did you get that number?
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I don't want the tax valuation. If you were to sell all 24 today, a modest projection on what you could get for them? Not a fire sale, but you get market value. What is the worth of all 24, roughly?
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Okay. See, that's the point George is making. I was kind of waiting to go, who cares about the $22,000 over here and the $24,000 there? The $5 million is the number. And you can cash out of those at any time and invest that. I mean, that's just a whole different ballgame. So I could see both sides as well. I really can't.
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No, we're not wringing our hands for you guys.
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You've got properties to manage. Yeah, absolutely. Way to go, Kristen. That's incredible. Well, thank you very much. Five million portfolio. I appreciate the help. Yeah, five million dollars. At 40 years old. You know, she's right. She's talking about that area of Montana is going bananas. People wanting to get out there. You and I should have seen that craze. Should have done it.
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We should have went out there and bought ourselves. You and I, could you imagine with our big cowboy hats and boots? Living off the fat of the land. Yeah. It's always been a dream of mine. Yeah. I see one of us having a blister and the other a splinter.
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Never see a cowboy with glasses on.
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You know what? You make a very good point. They all have 20-20 vision out there. I'm trying to think of the last major movie or television show that had cowboys in it where they were wearing glasses. Who said that you can't be a cool manly cowboy and have vision impairment? I'll tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking Jason Priestley's character. He's from 90210. You don't even know that show.
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You're dating yourself. He had a character in Tombstone, and his character wore glasses, but he was a wimpy guy. There you go. This is what I'm saying. So I'm with you. I'm done with it. You know what? Hollywood needs to cast a cowboy with some glasses. And I'm available. America's ready for it. You think so? Yeah.
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Is this a thing? Has one person got in your DMs one time and called you the Costco cowboy?
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Do you have yours? I've got them ready. I was looking for one, actually, as we were talking about you being a cowboy. Ooh, this is a great one for you, Ken.
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Four. That's when you're debt-free with an emergency fund. We've got an emergency fund, and now we have enough margin to do baby stuff for, which then tells me, all right, I've got enough margin to start something on the side. Now, the way the question was worded, it says, when is it best? Is that correct? During what point is it best? Is it best? That's ideal.
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And I got to tell you, I'm very excited. George is ruffled. I'm fired up. And I'll tell you why. I always wanted to be one of those judges on TV. You know what I mean? When people come in and it's Judge Ken, and this is a Judge Ken kind of dream scenario to try to figure out because you've got on one hand, George, the father-in-law does buy the car with his money. And I'm going to make this up.
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Ideal is you've got the financial foundation. I'm not going to get mad at somebody if they are able to start a side hustle, for instance, with very little cash, capital outlay, and it helps pay off debt. In other words, I've talked about this. People have started trash can washing businesses, a lawn mowing business. It's okay if it's that to help us get through the baby steps faster.
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But something that's like, I want to try to live on this and this is my future. I don't like you trying to do that during baby step two and three. And the more the startup costs, the more we say, hey, you need to wait until you are dead free with an emergency fund, my friend. So baby step four is when it's time to start going, okay, what could this look like? Good question, though.
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Johnny from TikTok. Johnny. TikTok. They also call me Johnny TikTok. They call you that? Yeah, nickname from high school. I could combine those and call you the Costco cowboy, Johnny TikTok. This is the Ramsey Show. We'll be right back with more of those dad jokes.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman, and George Camel is joining me this hour. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. You know, George, before we get to the phones, I thought it might be fun to talk nerdy. You know I love talking nerdy. I mean, you talk nerdy about as well as anybody I know. Well, you know more big words than anyone I know. So we both relate in that way.
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And so this is a fun little segment where George nerds out on the fine print, if you will, as the former host of the fine print. Do you still do those? You don't do those.
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And in natural law, That's his car. But he goes to the DMV, and he literally lets Randall sign the title as though it's his. So legally, under the real law, it's Randall's car. Now... Father-in-law wants the money. He sees a little windfall. That's my car. I'm letting you take care of it. He was the best of both worlds. I'm a good father-in-law. I got my daughter, sweet daughter.
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I mean, we all need a little nerdy talk. Some people fell asleep at the wheel.
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In that segment. I think you laid it out beautifully.
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Yeah. I loved it. I thought it was very helpful. So there you go. And by the way, he mentioned it very briefly. I got a call back to it. This is why you want to go to George Campbell's YouTube channel. He's got all kinds of really fun and it's made for you. We break it down for the people. You break it down. You make it fun. You make it palatable. No matter what it is, we make it palatable.
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That is true. Joseph is up next in Dallas, Texas. Joseph, how can we help?
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How are you, sir?
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Well, we're honored to talk to you. What can we help with today?
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What business are you in?
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Oh, okay. And so if I understood you correctly, the anticipated number of 83,000 that you got excited about when you signed on hasn't been met because you've not seen the amount of patients that they said you would need to see in order to hit that number.
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And what is it that you think you should be making? Because you let off by going, I'm not making what I should be. So what is that number?
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Okay. Well, but you anticipated it based on them saying, you'll make roughly this if you see this many patients. So what options do you have? Are there other physical therapy businesses that have a higher foot traffic?
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It's like you buying a car for me as loser husband down the road. Oh, gosh. I don't want to think about that. But, Randall, you aren't a loser at all, I don't think. Just kidding, Randall. So now you've got the situation where he does his favor for you guys. but he wants you to handle the insurance. Now he wants the money. This is manipulative in every sense of the word.
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this you know i'm just trying to make sure i make that right decision so um well the right decision right now at this point in your career how old are you i'm 27 okay at this point in your career with a lot of student loan debt and do you have other debt outside of student loans i do have a car payment but that would be it okay so what's your total amount of debt uh it's
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OK. The answer is really easy. Yeah. We're not staying at a place because we really like it. We need to make money and you need to make as much as money as you possibly can. Now, this is doable. And George, you've coached a lot of people to do this. But, you know, if your call is your question was, should I stay? Is that what I'm getting at?
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Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Can you get a job right now where you can get a $15,000, $20,000 bump? You think that's even possible?
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My man, we get the best paying job possible in order to attack this debt with everything you have.
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How much savings do you have?
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I think the proximity principle, because he needs to be leveraging relationships as much as he can to move up the ladder as quickly as he can to be able to take that income and do what you just told him to do. So hang on, we'll give you the proximity principle as well. All right, quick break. George has to gargle with salt water. Thank you.
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And then I'll check on him, make sure he's okay, and we'll be back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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And Randall, this is a problem, but I'm bringing all this up and kind of laying it out here because you have one response. This is not your car legally. You let me use it. He's going to say, yeah, but you know what I did, and I bought it, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. Alongside George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. Oh boy, George, I was looking the other day at the calendar and I thought I've got to get with my tax pro. You were dreading it. Not dreading it, but just the very word of tax gives me indigestion.
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It's what I like to call a Tums moment.
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Yeah, Stacy is gathering all of our documents. I am Stacy in this situation. We will meet with our tax pro. And anyway, nonetheless, hey, it's coming around the corner. And one of the best things you can do is to have a good tax pro in your corner. And again, I'm telling you, I'm going to say hi to David. He's local. He listens. So he'll hear this two days from now, and I'll get an email from him.
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David, Stacey, and I love you. We appreciate you, sir. He takes good care of us. He's our tax pro. I'm not kidding around. I sleep very, very well at night knowing David is on the job. And so they help you. He helps us. I mean, he helps us think about so many different angles. Deductions.
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Oh, he's the deduction king. He's amazing. Go to RamseySolutions.com slash TaxPro to find a CPA and enrolled agents that have been vetted by our team at Ramsey. It's RamseySolutions.com slash TaxPro. Do you do your own? No, I've got a TaxPro because, again, it's like getting my loan. You don't do a shout-out for your TaxPro.
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Whoever George's TaxPro is, I tried. I tried. He's not willing to give you some love.
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I didn't think... I have not seen those.
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You won't shout out your tax pro, but you'll give Mary Kay some love.
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You know me. We're having fun, folks. What are you waiting on? Levi's up in Las Vegas. Viva Las Vegas. Levi, how can we help?
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And so you're going to have to come down to not what is right in the grand sense of the word, but what is right for your relationship going forward, unfortunately. And I think there's got to be a meeting in the middle, George, in order to make Thanksgiving bearable.
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And so if I'm understanding, let me jump in real quick just for us and then the folks following along at home. So that's with you both going full time to grad school. That's why we're losing the a hundred thousand dollar income.
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You bet. What's up?
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How is that? You don't have the money. You do not have the money right now to make it. You know that, right? For three years. So I'll tell you what I would do. I'm going to throw this at George because he's crunching the numbers over here. If it were me, I would have your wife continue to work and have her pause grad school. Have her pause grad school. Her two-year program, well, I didn't ask.
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Hers is a lot less money, and we know that. How long is it?
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I would push hers and knock yours out so that you guys can, again, have some income coming in. I know she's going to have a baby, but, and what about health insurance?
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I almost want to push his back another year.
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If she's not in grad school, if we do the plan that I'm suggesting, where we wait for her to go to grad school after you're finished, but she has the baby, what kind of income does she bring in?
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That's like a part-time babysitting job.
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Yeah, but you guys are going to starve. You called us and asked us what we thought. We don't think you've got enough money to do this. So I would delay either her, and she goes and gets a $40,000, $50,000 job at minimum to be able to make up the difference. And that means somebody's watching the baby while she's working. I mean, you guys got to figure this out.
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You may have to push your grad degree off two years. You go get a good job. Push it off a couple years. Have baby.
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I'm with you, George. And Levi, I'm talking like I'm old enough to be your dad, so here you go. Plenty old enough. Thank you, George. The baby is the number one dream right now. Yeah. And let's, you've done very well to put that money away. And to stay debt free.
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You are not hurting your professional, listen to me Levi, you are not hurting your professional chances and your potential by delaying this a year or two. Okay. Let's get the wife out of school. a part-time job or full-time mama, and you're working full-time, we keep stacking cash. Please take your time on this. Don't rush this. George, thoughts on that final word? No, I'm with Papa Ken over here.
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You told her she's not allowed to talk to her parents? This is a soap opera.
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Yeah. That education will still be there. Trust me. All right, George. Good hour. Good stuff. Appreciate all of you for listening. Thanks to our crew for keeping us on the air. This is The Ramsey Show. The right questions are the key to unlock personal and professional potential. That means if you're not where you want to be, you are not asking the right questions.
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I'm Ken Coleman, and this is what my new show, Front Row Seat, is all about. Over my career, I've had the distinct privilege to interview successful people from all walks of life and to coach over 10,000 professionals who wanted more. What sets successful people apart is a never-ending desire to learn and grow.
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Each week, I'll be joined by industry leaders and world-class experts to have a conversation about how to get better, move up, and lead well in work and life. But the best part of this show is you get to be a part of the conversation. Live in studio, we'll have a group of professionals just like you who have the power to ask questions and steer the discussion in real time.
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Oh, that's kind of you. Kind of you. We said our piece. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Oh, no. So much going on in that sentence.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show alongside George Camel. I'm Ken Coleman. And George, we were just talking about it during the break. I'm very excited. Been working on a new show format for some time, and it's now out. It's called Front Row Seat.
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And this is a conversation show. For those that have been around a long time, if you've been in your 30s or 40s, 50s, you'd know the show Inside the Actor's Studio. And you also know MTV, Unplugged. It's got that feel to it.
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Intimate. We have an audience of 12 to 15 people that surround me and a guest. And we have a deep dive conversation designed to help you get better personally, to move up professionally. and to lead effectively. And so that's what the show is all about. And so we're off and running on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. So you can check it out.
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New episodes every Tuesday, again, on YouTube. It looks fantastic. The team did such a great job.
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You've seen the set. I have nothing to do with that. At all.
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When I joined Ramsey 10 years ago, I was an interview specialist and for years hosted the Entree Leadership Podcast before I handed it off to you. That's why I first saw you, Ken, what, 13 years ago now?
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At a leadership event.
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You're being a little too kind. That's too kind. But I appreciate it. But anyway, it's called Front Row Seat. Check it out on YouTube. Some great guests you've got that have already launched that are coming up. Oh, we've got some big names coming. We launched with Nikki Haley, former presidential candidate. Oh, yeah. And that was interesting. Not political conversation. Don't worry.
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Those of you who immediately got your accolades. Oh, she did this and she said that. Now, look, when was the last time you sat down with somebody that you agreed with on everything? You didn't. You haven't. So we like to have conversations across the board designed, again, to help you get better. That means you're bringing a better version to work so you can move up.
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And for those that are moving up, you're going to lead at some point. So it's for professional development and growth. So go subscribe. Oh, yeah, go subscribe on YouTube and podcasts. Front Row Seat with Ken Coleman. All right, let's get to the phone. Steve is in Richmond, Virginia, my old stomping grounds, George. Steve, how can we help?
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Okay. And did you kill the moose?
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Well, what's going on with them financially to where their house is about to be foreclosed on?
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There's a lot going on. I was already nervous about you just buying a house. We would run the numbers, and George will walk you through that, because this is like buying another house. That you're going to lose money on because your tenants are broke, and I don't think they could pay you rent. This is a disaster waiting to happen. For you so far, the disaster has evaded you.
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Hey, I got to tell you, George, you may not know this about me, but back when I was in my early 20s, I worked on a Senate race in Alaska and spent a summer campaigning in Alaska. I did not know that. And so you would see moose at nighttime just chewing on people's trees in their front yard, like we see deer. Are they a real nuisance over there, Randall? Oh, yeah.
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So what price would you pay for it right now? I'm trying to figure out, George, do you have a mortgage? Because you said you were blessed, and I didn't hear amazing blessing in the form of crazy numbers that would set you up to buy this house.
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They're going to live for free is what's going to happen, Steve. They can't afford to pay rent.
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Did you ask him why he thinks they're a scam? Was there any kind of follow-up on that particular classification of it?
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You know, we were talking about this when you were on Front Row Seat, but I want to bring this up because I think there's clear data now. We can look at CEOs. We see a correlation between healthy people and actually financially wealthy as well. It's pretty interesting how that correlates. And I think a lot of people overlook their physical health, right? Because they go, hey, I'm doing well here.
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What have you seen on that and how do you correlate those in the book?
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You know, we were talking earlier, Sahil, I want you to share this because we agree on this. This book has really taken off. It's hit a nerve. And the title itself is somewhat provocative without trying to be, The Five Types of Wealth. But in America today, we're beginning to see kind of a groundswell, a negative groundswell that's anti-successful people. Why do you think that's happening?
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That's where that book came from, by the way. I want to brag on him. I had been following you for years because of that newsletter. And even on X, you would put out these little nuggets. And he lives what he believes on that. That's how this book came about. You tested this content for a long time. And now you're seeing the results of it.
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Today's question comes from Craig in Delaware. Data.
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Yeah, I'm going to recommend, Emily, I'm going back to the days when I taught all three of my kids to ride a bike. And if, in fact, he is truly scared of this product, 401k, because he doesn't understand it, maybe there was corruption, all the things that Dave pointed out. If, in fact, he's truly afraid of it, and that's why he calls it a scam, then, in fact, now you can deal with fear.
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Yeah, and be paying attention, folks. It's two weeks away. RamseySolutions.com slash SmartTax, by the way. That's where you go. Fabulous product. If you have a simple return. If it's simple.
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Because he doesn't understand it. So it's like teaching someone to ride a bike. They're scared to death to ride a bike. So what do you do? You put training wheels on first, right? And then you move from training wheels to I would hold the back of the seat and I would run with them for a bit. The point is, this is going to be a gradual teaching process for you, I think.
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Well, yeah, I've got to tell you. I was going to be your huckleberry there. I was going to jump in and help out, but I'd have to run it by Stacy first. But in all honesty, why is the 10K the number? Is that all you've got left in the 529 that you need to fund? It's a baby. That's what I'm saying.
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Keep the car, man. This is from two guys who have classic cars.
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It's the only shot that I will willingly take. I'll say that. And the booster. It's pretty great. What are the side effects? Being called weird, sleeping peacefully.
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Could you imagine? Ramsey Solutions is in big pharma, baby. We figured it out.
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Oh, this one says debt and mortgage on it. This one says Baby Steps Millionaire.
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So the boosters get you to Baby Steps Millionaire.
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It really is. I would take him to your SmartVestor Pro if you have one, if you don't need to get one. But I would literally take him in there, and I'd honor all of his questions. If in fact, and Dave and I don't know, but if in fact he's scared, I think the best way to help someone who's scared is to honor their fear. Well, there's two types of fear.
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David, I'm going to warn you. You agree with everything Dave said, rightfully. But you're going to go out and tell people that don't know what we teach or have no idea who we are or why we are the way we are, and they're going to try to talk you out of this because you've got a good income. They're going to tell you to live a little and enjoy it.
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I'm telling you, you've got to have that engineer brain fully engaged right now and treat this as a problem that you can solve and you know how to solve it. On the other side of this... You are going to stack wealth really, really quickly, and you're going to have no stress in your life when it comes to finances. So please remember that when somebody tries to talk you out of it, because they will.
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Oh, it's only another year of ramen noodles, Dave. He can do it. Or whatever college kids eat on the cheap.
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And I just want to point out again, when you're in a relationship and you're not on the same page and it's really fear holding the spouse or a boyfriend or girlfriend back.
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honor their questions don't dismiss them don't always try to explain them let them sit in that and ask the questions and get with somebody a third party in this case a smart investor pro who can answer every question about fraud and anything like that and then hopefully they get there and the light bulb goes off and now we're on the same page yeah it's it's tempting to roll your eyes at something that's stupid that's right but it but you can't you got to honor it and go okay there's a reason for this and then let's get to the root of why and can we solve for it so we can go forward
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Yeah, this becomes primary focus right now. That is, who do I know? Connections, connections, connections. It's a big marketplace in Atlanta. So I'm looking to upgrade as quickly as I can or take on some fractional HR duties, maybe for some smaller businesses. And I'm thinking, what do I have to do to make an additional two to three grand a month?
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No, but I can tell you how many times great opportunities come to people when you start telling everybody to listen. And your friends, your family, your acquaintances, you have got to put the word out that you've got talent, you've got experience, and you're looking to work. And that's how you increase your income quickly.
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And you get a couple quick wins if you get some contract work, even something like that. Here's what I don't want you to do. I don't want you to default to getting in your car And driving rideshare. I'm not against that at all. You don't need to do that. You have too many tools in your belt. Too much talent for your time.
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It does. And one of the things that people overlook is the most underutilized question in the world, Dave. When we're talking about professional advancement and getting more income, it's this. Will you help me? This isn't a handout type question. It is a, I'm a mom. I got four babies. I'm trying to get out of debt. It's a compelling story. People respond to that kind of stuff.
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to say, hey, I'm looking for work over here. I'm an HR pro. I can do this, this, and this, and here's why I'm doing it. I want to get out of debt. I want to have an emergency fund, set my babies free on this journey. People love to help people who are helpable, and this is a great story. So we can't forget. I know there's a lot of people listening and watching us right now.
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When you share a story that's tied to a vision, of becoming debt-free, of building an emergency fund, all the kind of things, changing your family tree. People respond to that. You'd be surprised, but we forget that the narrative is what's attractive to people because they want to help somebody who's helpable.
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By the way, opportunities, and you know this, they show up for people like that.
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And you've got $3,000 in savings. Baby step one is actually just $1,000. So you've got $2,000 that you need to be putting on that car today.
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Yeah, I just would underscore what Dave said. We have heard so many debt-free screams just right across the studio here, and every time their income goes up. I'm not saying it's always the case, but I've never heard one.
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And to your point, it is the momentum, mental and emotional momentum of the Baby Steps is what's the genius about it. When you start ticking off the debts, even in Baby Step 2 – Momentum takes place, and good things happen to people who have momentum. I'm just telling you. It's not a mystery. Because you're happening to life instead of life happening to you.
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Yeah, I get it. George, that's a great suggestion. Jason, honestly, bro, you've got some self-belief issues. Okay. So that's going to need to be dealt with, number one. But the best way to kind of...
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deal with this you're down in the dumps dude you sound like uh what maybe a balloon that's lost all its air would sound like if they were talking that's what you sound like and i'm not making fun of you i'm saying that's what it sounds like you sound so deflated but george is right bro you can make 2500 between now and that wedding day and i would start doing it okay now sell something
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If you can't sell something and come up with $300, go sell it for somebody else. Go to all your friends. I mean, I'm telling you, bro, this is your chance to feel good about yourself. I understand why you're deflated. But, man, this is an opportunity for you to go, wait a second. I can earn $2,500 between now and wedding day, and I'm going to absolutely die trying.
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And I'm going to do it, and I'm going to find all the ways to do it, and that's all I'm doing. I'm waking up going, you need a poster board in your bedroom on your mirror looking at Some type of a thermometer that people do.
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What kind of cash do you have? About $200,000. And what's that sitting in?
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Come hell or high water. Yeah. So, I mean, let's go. And then here's the deal. And then enter into this marriage all in with your wife-to-be.
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That's right. And tell her, I'm going to come up with a $2,500, babe. Don't worry about it. I may not see much of you, but it's going to be a great wedding. This is The Ramsey Show.
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I'm actually interested to see what you say about this.
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So as a technology, the blockchain, it's here. Yeah. And I would say Bitcoin is here. I'm not saying Bitcoin can't fall. I'm not saying I disagree with anything you said. In fact, I agree with everything.
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I would say to somebody, yeah, if you want to invest in Bitcoin, I would treat it just like we tell people to go sit down with a smart investor pro and learn about the strategies so that you understand what you're doing. But I agree with you that it should be a part of a diversified strategy, not all eggs in that basket. I agree with that. And that's just smart investing strategy.
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But I will say this. My position on crypto and Bitcoin early on was it's risky right now, but there will come a day, and I still hold this, And I think Trump, by the way, is already rattling his saber on this. Well, he's already made a bajillion dollars doing it. He has. So, of course, he's a fan.
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I know, but I'm saying you're going to see this become regulated just like banking, just like their stocks. And I think when it becomes regulated, because it will on some level. Some people would take issue with me on that, and I'm okay with that. I am making a prediction here. But I believe that once it's regulated, I believe it becomes far more stable.
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I'm not a fan of regulation as a whole, but there needs to be, it's the wild, wild west right now. Yeah. No, I'm with you on that. I think there will be a mutual fund filled with different cryptocurrencies. No question, Steve. So diversification is the answer. I agree with you.
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show, where we help you win in your life, specifically with your money, with your work, and in your relationships. Alongside George Campbell, I'm Ken Coleman. Thrilled to be with you guys today. 888-825-5225 is the number to jump in. 888-825-5225. All right, let's start it off with Amy in Minneapolis. Amy, how can we help?
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I just wanted to add that little two cents there that I don't think you should feel like, oh, it's stupid to invest in it. No, I think it's just like any other investment. You got to do your homework. What level of risk? If you sit down with a good professional, so we talk about the smart investor pros that are out there, okay, and we link to them and you can go meet them.
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You talk with any investment professional, one of the first things they're going to talk to you about is where are you at, where are your finances, and what's your level of risk? Okay. And so I would treat any crypto thing as a high-risk thing right now.
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You're investing in an alternative currency, and that's the bet. It's like gold.
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All right, great. Let's go to Alicia who's joining us in San Antonio, Texas. Alicia, how can we help?
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It doesn't sound safe. You mean meeting strangers to look at the car?
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Thanks for the call, Alicia. You can do this. I've done this so many times over the last couple years, buying cars for my teenagers and selling. All right, quick break. We'll be right back. He's George Campbell. I'm Ken Coleman. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Thrilled to have you with us, America, alongside George Camel. I'm Ken Coleman. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Hey, there's a lot that happens in your mind, in your emotions, and just activities when it comes to buying and selling a house, and that leads to feeling paralyzed. feeling overwhelmed. And so we created Ramsey's Real Estate Home Base, right?
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Just kind of a safe place. What's there at the Ramsey Real Estate Home Base? Calculators, start to finish guides, how-to articles, a podcast, a book, and even a video course, all with steps that you can take to navigate the buying or selling process. So if you're ready to take the next step, do it with confidence.
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Go to ramseysolutions.com slash real estate, ramseysolutions.com slash real estate, or you can click the link in the show notes if you're watching, listening on YouTube or podcast. Let's go to Ottawa, Canada now. Sue is there. Sue, how can we help?
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Are you talking about collections?
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Sue, don't answer the calls. You talk to one person in a supervisor role at all these different places and say, we are going to pay you back. And this is when I'm going to do it. And you get it in writing. Say every Friday I'm going to call you with an update. But don't call me. I will not pick up. But you will hear from me. You don't have to answer their call. They are not the law.
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No, no. This is all they're doing is using tactics to try to get as much money out of you as fast as they can. But they have no, they're not going to sue you. They don't want to do that. This is a tactic. So you mean, I mean, is there anything, any money that you have that you could pay some of this stuff off today? That'll get them off your back if you just pay something.
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Not all of it, but something. George, I mean, I know we got the snowball.
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Yeah. And it's really important when you use the right word. What would you do if you were on a playground right now and somebody started bullying you? Be an adult knowing what you know. You know what you'd do? You'd go, knock this off. Knock it off. What are we doing? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. This is stupid. You're not going to punch me. Get out of my face.
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And you've got to do that with these collections, folks. They're the worst. All right, Sue, we're rooting for you. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show America, where we help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. Phone number to jump in is 888-825-5225. That's 888-825-5225. Thrilled to be alongside my pal. The smartly attired and well-equipped financial guru. He is the one, the only. That's impressive. George Camel with a K. I'm elated to be with you, Ken. Elated. Elated?
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That's a good word. Let's see if we can keep that going. Looks like we're going to Ken in Denver, Colorado. Oh, there's a lot of Kennergy right now. Ken, how can we help?
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You didn't acknowledge the Kennergy joke at all? Just went right over your head? Not interested?
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Okay, gotcha. And what do you make?
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All right. Well, let me just tell you, the reason you feel stuck and that you've hit a lid is because you have nothing against state employees. I have been criticized before when I say state government is is kind of a dead end. And it is. It's not because I think it's bad. It's because it is. And I used to work for the governor of Virginia. So.
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Jeez, people, when I say facts, understand what I'm saying. And Ken, you can agree you're stuck because it is a state agency and there's only so many rungs on the ladder, correct? Right. All right, great. So you're stuck. But the great news about this is it's not because of you. It's because of where you are.
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So the question becomes, where do you take all this experience you have up to this point in your career and all the skills you've developed, how do you transfer those to the, let's just say, private sector, so you don't have to leave the Denver area or surrounding area, and you can go, okay, I can step in, and I got not only a chance to make more money, but I've got a ladder of growth.
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So what does that look like? If I were to just say to you, Ken, based on your skill and experience to this point, what would be the low-hanging fruit or the obvious choices to at least kick the tires on?
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You just have no room for advancement, and that is a depressing place to be.
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Exactly. So you exchange a little bit of extra money for doing something you don't enjoy. So you've already nailed it. So I love this. So we want to write down, if you and I were in a room with a whiteboard, I would write down training slash instructing. That's, if we can get a gig...
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where you spend the majority of your day training or instructing, you're going to be a pretty satisfied fellow, right?
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All right. So we start there. So now we start to look in and around Denver. We go, okay, what are anything that's got the word trainer, instructor in it? I mean, this could be across the board, a lot of different industries. You acknowledge that?
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Oh, okay. Take everything I just said and just delete the word Denver. But the point is, is you're looking in your area, let's say a 30 mile radius, right?
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Let's look. And so you've got to see what's out there and see what is transferable for you. And I would tell you that your skill set and your experience is transferable to probably a lot of different places. And so the story, the narrative is great, too. Ken, why are you considering leaving your current job? I love it. I love the work, but I'm in state government.
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And so there's very little opportunity for advancement. The only advance would be into a role that's not doing this. And so I'm ready to move into the private sector. That's a great answer. George, isn't that a great answer? That doesn't sound flaky. No. And it also sounds impressive. You've been trained by the state. And so we got some credibility there. You got a long track record.
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Good performance reviews, correct?
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Let's go. That's what you're looking for. Now, I wanted to jump in right away, but now I want to give you a chance to ask any questions around what I've said, because that's what I wanted you to hear right out of the gate. That's where you would start. I'm not saying you're limited to what advice I just gave, but you would certainly start there.
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So what questions do you have that we've not answered?
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Sure, as long as there's no interruption of income.
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Okay. Yeah. You're just doing a search for training, instruction, instructor work, and seeing what all is out there. And I think there might be some contract work you could pick up right now.
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before you even decide what's the next full-time move that's what i'll be looking for just to get momentum and baby step two but here's the deal you're going to be okay yes you can make the transition but you make the transition when you step off of one boat right onto the next boat all right no jumping out in the water yeah yeah you got this ken let's go man i need some kennergy out of you i'll give you the last word are you confident
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Are you confident now? I'm getting there. All right, my man. He needed a little Kinergy, George. That's all you need sometimes. Yeah. I think that's my allotment for saying that word. Yeah, we're done. Notice I stopped? No, it's over. I think that's like three or four times too much. This is the Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. Thrilled that you are with us. Alongside George Campbell, I'm Ken Coleman. The phone number is 888-825-5225. Let's go to Austin, Texas. And Jake is waiting for us there. Jake, how are you? Good. Hello, Ben. We're having a good time. We can't hear you real well. Give me another little sound check there.
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Oh, there we go. I don't know what you did. The flick of the wrist, man. Nice move.
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No, no, we know all this, Jake. We know how the scam works. We're just telling you it's a scam. Yeah, so saving you a little bit of time, anything you tell us that they told you, we've heard. Yeah. So George is feisty today. Very feisty. I just hate. I believe you ate and left no crumbs. Is that what the kids say? Yeah.
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You just gave me a great idea for a segment that James will never approve. Hit me. Pitch it. We could do old school shock jock kind of radio, but nothing shocking. And we would be on with Jake. Listen, hear me out. Okay. We would be on with Jake right now, and we would have James and the fancy, you know, they're all smart back there. And they could dial up this guy's advisor. Oh, we hear it live.
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And the guy answers. Jake's on the call. We're over here. And Jake goes, hey, so-and-so. Listen, I'm getting back to you on the proposal. I got a couple guys with me on here. And you and I now jump in and we go, hey, so-and-so. It's Ken and George from the Ramsey Show. And we just had a great talk with Jake. And Jake has authorized us to say this to you. No thanks. And we hang up the phone.
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That's it. We do it for him. It's not ugly. Yeah. It's not unkind. I'm sure. But you just said no thanks. And I like it's no thanks.
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Do you like that? I love it. It's not unkind and we're not trying to be rude, but it's a kind of you're fired. But it's like, by the way, you're on the Ramsey show and no thanks. I'm just impressed James like one of your ideas. You know how rare that is? Well, to be fair to James, my ideas are not necessarily very easy for him to understand.
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I know. I'm actually making James out to be. He's very nice. He's one of the nicest people on the planet.
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No, I thought it was fun, James. I really didn't think it was a serious pitch. But if we could do that, I do think it would be entertaining. Here's why I'm saying this. Jake calls. Here's what's going on. How many times do we get that call in a given month about whole life? Probably five, five or six at least. But this is an industry that still thrives. Yes. They're still out there.
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And, boy, if you've ever heard Dave talk about whole life, holy smokes. I mean, when we get a whole life called it. Oh, my gosh. When he calls, I put a helmet on. I think whole life hurt Dave as a child. There's that level of anger and trauma involved. Anyway, no thanks, Jake. George gave you, I like those very kind, because you're a classy guy. Yeah, I don't want to be a jerk. No thanks.
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That's our new thing. No thanks. Kathleen is up next in Chicago. Kathleen, how can we help?
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You're breaking up on us, Kathleen. Speak directly into your phone. Kathleen, I don't know if you're in a bad sell zone, but we can't hear you.
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I was going to suggest that, but I didn't want to be too bold.
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You're very trusting. Well, Kathleen, let me tell you what Kathleen is. Kathleen is paying attention to the headlines, aren't you, Kathleen? You're in the news.
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I know. That's where that comes from, George. Tell her about the bubble.
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Yeah, and Kathleen, this is a little extra advice you didn't ask for. I'd look at your cell phone carrier. I might switch carriers. That's a good call, Ken. You don't want to be near the window all the time. You deserve better cell signal in retirement. That's all I'm saying. I agree. You don't want to have to be stuck in one place of the house just to make a good call.
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So I think you deserve better. We need to look into Wi-Fi calling on the show.
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I've got to look into it. He's going to look into it. We've pushed way too much. We need to settle down. Hey, quick break. Don't go anywhere. People are lining up to get coached up. You don't want to miss it. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back, America. You're joining the conversation about you, your life, how to win with your money, winning your profession. win with your relationships here on the Ramsey Show. Alongside George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. Phone number is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Let's go to Detroit. And William is there. William, how can we help?
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We're having a blast. How can we help?
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Listen, you're dropping scripture, George. There's no shame in your game. Here's my question. So William, you're not calling because the pastor is preaching this and trying to lead the flock and all this. He's not anti you and your wife being a part of the baby steps and FPU and all that stuff.
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It's just when you guys are having conversation, you're kind of on fire and you're talking about all this, and this is just kind of two dudes talking, and he just kind of glibly throws out, yeah, you know, and this kind of just bothers you a little bit. Is that what I'm getting?
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What is your question for us?
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Got it. So are you having this conversation all the time with him?
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So, William, I feel you. I understand what you're saying. However, I think you've got this thing worked up really big in your mind, and I think it's actually not that big a deal. And here's what I mean. If his view on debt as your pastor— has got you to a place where you just are uncomfortable with him on other issues, it's time for you to go find another church.
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However, I want to point out that as a pastor's kid, that you have to decide, what does that relationship look like? What do I want it to look like? And is this something that is worthy of me leaving the church? And if it is, thank you. fine. That is your prerogative. I got zero problem with it.
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Okay. So what would be... Not a lot. Okay. So let's say, just for sake of numbers, okay, let's say that there wasn't a drop-off between the summer and the rest of the year. How much more additional money would you make of over and above the $57,000? What do you think that that number would be if you just had the same amount of kids all year round?
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But if you can still sit under his preaching and you feel like he's leading the church in a fiscally responsible way, because a lot of churches—here's the other not-so-secret secret—a lot of churches out there that have debt and use debt, and they pay it off, and they use it to build buildings and everything else. So I'm not quite sure you don't really have a question for us.
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You're just kind of going, what do you guys think? And so what I think is that if this is a stumbling block for you, another scripture, and he is a stumbling block for you, then remove yourself out of the path of the stumbling block. He doesn't think he's a stumbling block. So you're not going to change his views on debt. And this is a guy that knows all that scripture.
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He knows it backwards, forwards, most likely. I hope so. And he's glib about it. So don't let this be a distress to you. It shouldn't be. You're giving that way too much power.
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And this is a relational issue, and I want to hang out here for just a second, George. Because I think this is important. And I think I want to help William as best we can. But I have very good friends, George. I mean, very good friends. I love being with these friends. But we don't agree on some stuff. I mean, like the kind of stuff that's like big stuff.
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And if we were to constantly talk about that, it would create a real tension. But I have found we don't need to talk about it because here's what I know. They have thought and decided a long time ago this is what they think about this particular issue. This is their worldview on this issue. That's right. So have I. And I'm not changing it. And neither are they. Everybody's aware.
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We didn't sit down and have this conversation the way I'm laying it out, but we just kind of know that. There's sort of an unspoken boundary there. We kind of know where we are, and because we value being around each other, we just steer clear of that particular topic. And the relationship is one of my favorite friends. So I just got to tell you...
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I appreciate William, but there's this crusader mentality. We have it here in the building. And when people's lives are changed by the baby steps in this philosophy, you want to share that good news. It's the same as somebody coming to faith. Maybe they were an agnostic or an atheist, and their life is transformed literally by this good news. And what do they want to do?
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They want to share it everywhere. Why don't you get this? Why don't you get this? And not everybody gets the baby steps. Not everybody thinks it even matters. And it feels like this is the case. So it's this real weird deal for William and a lot of us when we are so passionate and convicted about something, that has transformed us. So here's the deal. Not everybody's going to get it.
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What could we do? And the pastor's probably not going to be against that. The pastor just goes, my personal life, I don't mind carrying this and I don't mind this. I get it.
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uh it's a tough situation but you don't have to lose relationships over some of this stuff is my point do you i mean do you it's hard enough to live your life you know trying to live someone else's hey yay i don't know so anyway food for thought thanks william for the call you're a good man quick break we'll be right back this is the ramsey show
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Yeah. So that's the thing I want you to think about. George has done a great job laying out, okay, what you need to do. And here's the deal. That $200,000 is something to build on, plus your existing money, if you're putting in $1,000 a month. But I want to challenge you to just believe what you just said. Let's say, let's just round down.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. So glad you're with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Our Ramsey Network app question is from Derek today. Derek writes, my New Year's resolution is to max out my Roth IRA contribution.
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I'm 30 years old, and I want to know if it's best to contribute to a target date index fund that will automatically adjust risk as I age, or should I just invest in an S&P 500 index fund?
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Let's say you did something to go, okay, I'm going to be more aggressive in talking about it. There are parents everywhere around you who would much rather have their child with you. It's probably even more affordable than what they're looking at in the marketplace. There is no shortage of children who need to be watched.
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I'm going with what he said. A lot of nerd speak. Well done, sir. You should do this for a living.
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I agree. Couldn't agree more. Let's go to Salt Lake City now where Bridget is joining us. Bridget, how can we help?
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Well, that's fun. The excitement is shared. I like that little chuckle, little pre-question chuckle there from Bridget. This is exciting, Bridget. How can we help?
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Okay, so you have a pretty good idea that you're going to eventually have to stop working. Do you have kind of a timeline?
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So with a little bit of aggression, more intentionality, letting people know, let's say you were able to make an additional $20,000 a year over the next six years, okay? That's a lot of money, George, coming back to your calculator. She can now put two, maybe three grand a month away, and all of a sudden— Changes your retirement drastically. It changes it.
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And you saw Xander. She went to Xander. You got a great quote there that's very reasonable for a lot of peace of mind, as you said. Let's go to Boston, Massachusetts, that area. That's where Georgia hails from. Love it. Mike is there. Mike, how can we help?
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All right. That sounds exciting. Early birthday.
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But George and I are both we really believe, Amy, you can do this. I think this is extra income. And I do think this is tightening of the expenses as well. And you can get there. All right. Quick break. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back, America. Thrilled to have you with us alongside the incomparable and the very, very sharp-dressed man, George Camel. I'm Ken Coleman. So kind. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Taking your money questions and your income questions. So George is our money resident. I might pipe in. I've been known to do it. You've got a lot of great thoughts.
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But I'm more in the win with the income, right? Are we winning at work so that we have the opportunity to make more money? So if you're feeling stuck professionally, we're going to equate that to our financial situation. So I'm here to help on that as well. Ken will help you afford eggs. That's right. That's the goal today. Have you noticed? Do you eat a lot of eggs?
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Very reasonable. The cost of eggs are actually moving up, so we'll see what happens. But they're really good for you. Let's go to Jason in Houston, Texas. Jason, how can we help today?
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We're having fun. What's going on?
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What do we need to know here?
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I'm beginning to think your real name isn't Jason.
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All right. Okay, so we're working with six years to retire, and you have zero? George is going to walk you through this, but just a couple quick questions. You have zero, or you have very little? What's the real, real here?
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Well, let me ask you a quick question. She's fully aware of your finances, which means she's probably very fully aware of your work and how you get paid. And that sounds like you had no control over this income. So she's... disappointed, yes, but does she understand the circumstances by which the money hasn't come in like you thought it would?
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Second question. I thought, and I don't know if, George, you heard this, so I'm coming to you, Jason. I thought you started off the call by saying we're having a one-on-one wedding.
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So she had a vision for a wedding, and now we can't afford it, so now we're opting for the one-on-one at the courthouse?
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curious about how to uh how to best support approach that well so okay i think that and i can do between now and then okay so we can't really answer that until we understand what happened what is the nature of your job or could you share with us briefly the circumstances that led to you not getting paid what you uh projected that you might what happened very yeah very easily um
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And hey, let's look at the positive on this. I think Jade's right. And I think I'm going to give you just a little bit of a, I think, hopefully a little mindset hack here. You know, you should get a new master bedroom. You know, in the sense of, you know, did you lose some stuff? Yes, that stinks. She lost her wardrobe. That's awful. All those things are just awful.
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But baby safe, dog safe, you're safe. You know what? You had a really old master bedroom. Now you get a new master bedroom. And I like Jade's pressing pause right here and just kind of going, you know what? Life just threw us a curveball, but let's hit the curve.
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You know, like I know, you know, I'm stuck in this baseball metaphor, but stay with me. You know, curveballs are meant to strike people out. But let me tell you something. Really good hitters know how to hit a curve. And if you hang a curve, these people put it out of the park. They smash it.
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And I think right now, I think through the coaching you just got from Coach Jade over here, I think you guys can take this curveball that life threw at you, and you absolutely hit a grand slam and come out of this thing way better off. So please listen to what she said. I think she's absolutely right, and I think you guys got a second chance. Not fun. Not fun how you got it.
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But nonetheless, a second chance. So there you go. All right, don't move. She's Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. We're here for you. This is The Ramsey Show.
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The Ramsey Show continues. Thrilled to have you with us. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is alongside. The phone number is 888-825-5225. Let's go to Nicole who joins us in Memphis. Nicole, how can we help today?
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This is an income issue. By the way, we're running short on time. Let's get her a session with one of our financial coaches as our gift because there's a lot to layer through here. Nicole, you have got to come up with a situation with your daughter. Friends and family, it takes a village. I'm not betting against a single mama. I know you can find a way to get some care for your daughter.
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I know it is, sweetheart. But I'm telling you, I'm not betting against you, but you've got to get some help with your daughter. She's been through a lot. You've got to get some people around you who can be with her.
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Yeah, Joe, how's that going to feel when she starts missing payments that she owes you? That's got to be weird. Hey, we're going to Red Lobster tonight. How's that payment plan coming along?
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And so, Nicole, all I'm saying is we're going to get you with one of our financial coaches who's going to spend more time with you.
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But listen, you've got to get more income.
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And you've got to get a community around you who say, you say, look, I need help with my daughter who's still going through this trauma over here. I need some support because I'm mama bear and I got to go make some money. And the more money I make with our financial coach, and we're going to give you all the resources, by the way.
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So Christian, if she needs total money makeover, every dollar, give her everything we got.
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Yeah. We're going to walk with you, Nicole. You're not on your own, but go get some income and watch this thing turn around. Hang on the line. We're going to take care of you. This is The Ramsey Show. I hate to admit this, but I don't always eat right. I know, I need to eat more fruits and veggies, but sometimes I just have to pound some chips because they taste so good.
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Jade Warshaw is with me as well. 888-825-5225. Taking your money questions and your work-related or income questions. To that end, the Get Clear Assessment, a tool that I was privileged to create A few years ago, it's helped hundreds of thousands of people and just wrote a new book called Find the Work You're Wired to Do.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Joe, listen, I appreciate that you told your girlfriend you were going to call us, but what was your gut reaction when she hit you with this idea?
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It came out a little earlier this year, and it includes the Get Clear Assessment. So what does the assessment do? Well, it answers four really big questions. Who am I? What's my unique wiring? And we're talking about in the context of work. Why am I wired that way? What do I want to do professionally, and how do I get there? And that's what these two tools combined do for you.
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You're going to spend about a third of your life at work, and I just believe with everything in my being that you shouldn't spend it just doing something that you're okay at or that you're good at but you don't enjoy. It doesn't produce a result that motivates you. So you can get the book, find the work you're wired to do, and it comes with the assessment, the Get Clear assessment.
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You can get it at ramsaysolutions.com.
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slash store or you can click the link in the description of the show if you're listening via youtube and podcast all right to susan is uh where we're going to go she is in dallas texas susan how can we help hi um i just went through a divorce or finalized it recently it took a while um and i've been a stay-at-home mom during my entire marriage for um the past 14 years anyway um
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Joe, Joe, Joe, listen to me, Joe, Jade and I are on team Joe. Okay. Why don't you stop spinning and just tell us, how did you feel when she hit you with that? Did you want to do it? Yes or no.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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And now you're paying off your personal home, no debt in your life at all, and now you get real cash flow plus cash. Why is that not the better play in your mind? Zero risk.
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Yeah. Is that not a better vision? If you don't agree, you just have to what? You're acting like this is impossible.
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Because I think you called us to get us to go, well, this guy and this gal said this. Are you worried about what her reaction is going to be if you tell her no? Be honest.
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Okay, but that's real money now. That's $72,000 in the clear. Not paying any debt. You'll have some expenses on that.
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All right. Who needs some help out there? You're just going, I'm not where I want to be. I'm not where I want to be with my money. I'm not where I want to be in my relationships. I'm not where I want to be in my professional journey. If that's you, no shame in your game, number one. And number two, we'd love to help. We being Jade Warshaw, my colleague, co-host, and friend. And I'm Ken Coleman.
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We're Ramsey Personalities, and we're here for you. This is a... This is a listener of your show. We are here for you. We take your questions, 888-825-5225, 888-825-5225. Let's go to Detroit now. Kendall is there. Kendall, how can we help?
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Well, Jade's going to help you on that, but I'm just real curious. What do you think that starting salary is, and what do you think the range is maybe in the first couple years?
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You can do something with that, can't you, coach?
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And by the way, Kendall, those numbers are going to be way bigger than that. She was just going real conservative here.
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What, two years, you pay off your debt, then you got your emergency fund after that, you save for a house. Let's just say you don't start investing until 36. Again, not an issue because of the amount of money that your 15% represents. And the compound interest is insane. So you don't have to worry about that. That's the point. That's the whole thing that you called about. You're not too late.
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You aren't going to be destitute. You're going to be very, very wealthy.
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So that's a great point, Jade. That doesn't take into account a double income. Oh, by the way, you know what else it doesn't take into account? All the money you're going to make on a house because you're going to put a really big chunk down and you're going to pay it off.
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I got to tell you, Kendall, I'd be shocked. If you don't do what we tell you to do, if you're not in the $10 million range by the time you're 65, be shocked.
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So you've got this. You got it? Thank you.
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Hey, do you have any of our products? You got any books or anything that you kind of lean on?
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I want to give you something, Jade. Let's give her something to kind of cement this so that she can see the process. For sure, Total Money Makeover.
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Wow. Magnificent and Kenneth in the same sentence. It's going to be a day.
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Kendall, you're a rock star. Okay, Jade, we got about a minute here. We got new people coming in all the time. So I think it's really good to revisit. What is a really sensible question.
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And that is, I've got all this debt, and if it takes me six years or five years or four years to pay it off, I'm so far behind the eight ball in investing. Why do we teach that the way we do, that we clear debt first before we invest? Explain that to newcomers who might still be going, ah, really?
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And you just proved it. Once you start that investing, compound interest becomes your best pal. And so it can work. You're not too late. Trust the process. It works. We're so glad you've joined us. She's Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. This is The Ramsey Show. We're
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So here's the deal. So since you called us and I know where this is going, you need to give her a legitimate explanation as to why we think what we think and if you agree with us. So the reason that we want to keep this separate is you two are not married. Now, if you go down to the courthouse tonight, and I'm not trying to get you to do that, but all of a sudden this debt becomes your debt.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show where we talk to you about you. Your money, your work, your relationships is our goal. We want you to win in all three. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is with me. And the phone number to jump in is 888-825-5225. Try not to say too many things at once when you're live on the air sometimes. It's tough sometimes.
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But right now it's her debt. And the relationship needs boundaries. And this is because you believe in a healthy relationship. And so you need to explain to her that that is your debt, not my debt. And the minute that I give you money, it changes our relationship. And I don't want that because I'm looking long term. Mm-hmm. I missed anything on that.
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Well, Ken, you are being selfish. But selfish in this particular interpretation, Jade, is not bad.
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Thank you. Thank you for picking that up. Of course. That word selfish gets a really negative thing. But when it comes to your money and your compensation... And you are your agent. You are your manager. That's right. This is your livelihood. So all of the feels around this scenario are what I would call absolutely normal, dare I say, healthy. That's good. In other words, he gets a good review.
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He's sitting there and he's getting all positive. Atta boy. And then they go... I love how you dramatize it even in the question. It was like, I think she was in a few dramas and plays when she was in school. So in this situation, Jade, it's a shot to the chest. 50 cents. Yeah. I'm going to tell you something.
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If you don't feel something when you get a 50 cent raise, then something's wrong with you. And so I would say, Ken, you are being what I would call properly selfish in recognizing real feelings. That should feel that way because I'm objective. I have no skin in this, and I would feel that way if I put myself in your shoes. So now let's get to the second part of this. Should you accept it?
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I don't know because here's what I would be asking. And so I'm going to play your agent. I'm going to be your agent, and then I'm going to give it to my assistant agent. If Jade and I are agenting for you, I'm going to say I want to find out is that a normal – Raise the average in the United States. And this is not a law.
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If you look at the numbers, annual raises usually fall between three and four percent. Again, no one's beholden to that number. Fifty cent raise is really, really low.
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So the question becomes, Ken, why is it only 50 cents? Is the company struggling?
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And if the company's struggling, we all got to tighten the belt in our personal budgets. And so I'd want to know why only 50 cents and dig into that. And then you have to decide from there, okay, that's the now answer. But I want to look at next because I don't want to keep feeling this way.
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Because you keep showing up year after year and you feel this way.
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I don't like hope when it comes to compensation. Yeah. Do you?
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Look at you and the mixed metaphors. That was strong.
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We got to find some fish with fatter gills. Yeah. That's good.
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I'm with you. I don't want hope in that. I want to put my hope in me and the Lord and action. I'm not going to put hope in, well, it was 50 cents this year.
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Gee, I hope they bump it to $1.25 next year.
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Okay, so if you feel as though you've been devalued, it's a slippery slope to where you devalue yourself.
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Well, you start questioning. I'm only worth 50 cents. That's good. That's tough stuff. That is tough. But that's the real, real. So anyway, sorry about that, Ken. I would be looking for greener pastures if it were me.
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But, you know, again, and by the way, anybody in that situation, can I just say this very quickly? Get the Get Clear assessment in the book, find the work you're wired to do. It's one purchase price. Get the book, and I'm going to tell you something. Lay it over. Take the results of the assessment. Read the book. It's a 45-minute read. For this reason.
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Jade, it'll help people go, where could I go?
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Where are my possibilities? I'm not stuck. This is not the only thing I can do. Gosh, that's a really important theme for me is for people to see I got options. Even when you can't see them, I promise you, you have got options.
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It's about self-awareness. And by the way, on the other side of self-awareness is confidence. You cannot be confident if you aren't aware. That's true. So there you go. Just a quick, that's why I put that resource out. It's a fabulous little resource. So there you go. All right, to the phones we go. Ed is up in Columbia, South Carolina. Ed, how can we help?
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Give Jay the numbers real quick. Walk her through the numbers.
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What of that is your emergency fund?
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You getting a severance of any type? No, they don't do that. But you know what? You got a head start. You're right.
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Do you like country music? I do. You ever heard of an old guy named Johnny Paycheck? I know who he is, yeah. Download his song when we hang up. It's called Take This Job and Shove It.
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I'd be like, hey, you guys let me go? Guess what I did? Yeah. I paid my house off. There you go. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Come on, man. That's real financial peace. That's why we do what we do. Ed, you're the poster child. We're happy for you. This is The Ramsey Show.
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I have a question for you, Jade. And this is for you, Joe, but it's to Jade. I overthink everything. So the giant asterisk here is I overanalyze everything. My brain right now is going, if he says that, which you and I are on the same page, does she put pressure on him to get married? And does this fast forward a marriage proposal? I'm a little nervous about that. I hope not.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. I'm joined in studio with, or by rather, Jade Warshaw, 888-825-5225, 888-825-5225. All right, let's see. We've got our Ramsey Network app question, and this is from Gabriel. He asks, can you really win money with apps like Bingo Winner, and Mr. Beast's new app, or is it a scam? Also, I was wondering if Acorns and Robin Hood...
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i'm sorry our good investment options uh i i i i i'm 50 years old i don't know what bingo winner is and i barely know who mr beast is so i'm unqualified to even answer this question because i don't even know what that means i'm gonna win money with their apps i don't have the foggiest idea anybody in there Anybody? Zach, Kelly, do you know what they're talking about?
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The only app that I play in is a fantasy football, and that has nothing to do with any of this.
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Yes, please. Bail me out, because I don't know how to answer this question.
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I have zero problem with this. This is not controversial to me.
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I have no game apps on my phone. So I feel like I'm in Jade's good stead right now.
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Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and say that I don't know if it's a scam, but you should not be spending your time on it. There's no ROI on your time, and I'll bet there's not much ROI on the money.
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And then I was wondering if Acorns and Robinhood are good investment options. Robinhood is an investment platform. We are very clear at Ramsey Solutions what our investment strategy is. I'll hand it to my colleague to give a very quick, give a 60-second investment strategy. That would be our answer to any of this.
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What would you say he needs to guard himself with?
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I got to confess, I just put the old readers on.
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I just typed in bingo winner app and boy, talk about getting me in trouble.
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Anything that looks like that is designed to suck the brain right out of your head.
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That's my ruling on that. It looks like it's designed to keep you addicted, whatever it is. So let me tell you what I know. Successful millionaires aren't spending a lot of time on bingo win.
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I'm never getting that time back, neither are you. No. Matthew is up in Austin, Texas. Matthew, how can we help?
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We're thrilled about your question. What is it?
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Two years. Two years. And in the two years, has there been moments of tension based on her maybe stepping into some situations that the kids weren't really cool with or you weren't cool with or there have been some comments? I'm just giving you what I mean when I say moments. Have there been several moments of tension that lead to this concern?
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there's enough i knew the answer to that yeah my friend yeah i would just say this i this needs to be settled in premarital counseling stat how old are the kids immediately they're not young and so i got two in college i have one that's a teenager well the two in college that's a non-factor she doesn't get to say anything about that and how old's the teenager
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i agree i agree i'm gonna default to you called us because you've got some real fear and i'm glad you called us if for no other reason than i'm telling you as a guy who went through premarital counseling um and i've been married 26 years long enough to know that had stacy and i not been on the same page about the major things yeah I don't know that we're here.
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And so I'm just saying that, Matthew, you need to invest time and money into premarital counseling to sit with a professional therapist and get this stuff out on the table. You've got to say, she has created this tension here. I feel like she stepped over here. She needs to be able to say, I didn't like it when you said I'm a dad first. We got to get this all out before we lock in.
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There is the kid's side of it, but they've got to solve it between the two of them first. You've got to know what life is going to look like day one. Now, we manage those decisions after that.
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Is this a big fancy wedding when we've got a lot of people coming and a lot of money being spent?
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I agree. I'd get a session in at least and talk about these majors. I really would before the wedding. But can I also say that if she says, hey, are you going to pay for their master's degree or are we going to go to Hawaii? The answer is, where is my grass skirt? That's what the answer is. The kids can pay for their master's degree. Go with mama to Hawaii, man.
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No, kids need to pay for their own master's.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw joins me. The phone number is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Let's go to Indianapolis, Indiana, where Zachary joins us. Zachary, how can we help today?
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We're doing great. What's going on?
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What do you mean at least for four months? Was it total?
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Okay. Okay, so pup is okay. And when you say it's only one room, is that downstairs, upstairs? What was in the room?
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Well, a couple of things to be grateful for.
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obviously you guys weren't there your wife was not there your baby son the dog is okay my goodness and your father-in-law's driving by yeah and i love it and again grateful that it's just the room and four months from now you've got a rebuilt master now i know all of the other things that come with that are awful but but all things being equal this is uh you dodged a major major crisis yeah yeah yeah definitely all right so how can we help today
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Is insurance going to cover the total rebuild, or is there going to be more cash you're going to have to come up with?
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Да, это вопрос, который у меня есть, Карина. Извините, я пытался послушать. Вы все на одном этапе с вредом и всем остальным? Или есть еще какие-то разделения в том, как он видит деньги и вред и все это? Потому что вы все сделали в правильном направлении. Где вы на остальном этапе?
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Подождите. Это удивительно. Я должен знать. Две компании знают друг друга? Конечно, нет. То есть вы профессиональный полигамист?
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Позвольте спросить, он на одной странице в отношениях с деньгами? Это да или нет? Да. Он также на одной странице в отношениях с деньгами, когда мы общаемся, мы комбинируем наши финансы?
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все наши дети, хорошо, хорошо, хорошо, я такой, который как-то как-то мудрый, потому что я говорю, что я приведу больше, и у него есть два детей, и у меня есть один ребенок, да, но Рэйчел прав, я надеюсь, что ты слышала Рэйчел, я говорю тебе, что она права, так что я должен сказать тебе, что я беру немного другую тегу здесь, я думаю, что вы должны иметь приятный ужин, и я думаю, что вы должны сидеть и получать это отмечено и сказать, что действительно важно, и давайте посмотрим на большую картину, и вы будете должны перестать делать что-то, я люблю совет Рэйчел там,
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Я хочу видеть ее и дать ей шанс. Потому что я чувствую, что это только о инвестициях. Я знаю, и это становится такой вещью. И мы не хотим, чтобы нашу вещь имела нас.
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Добро пожаловать в «Рэмси-шоу». Мы рады, что вы с нами. Меня зовут Кен Коулман. И сегодня с нами грешная Рэйчел Круз. Да, я знаю, я пытаюсь найти еще один адъютант. Так что, как ты думаешь?
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Слушайте, я даже не делал этого, я просто хотел сказать профессиональный полигамист, потому что у вас есть две сестры, у вас есть две компании, с которыми вы работаете полностью, и они не знают друг о друге, и я даже не пытаюсь... Я думаю, что сестры знают друг о друге. Это верно. Вы понимаете мою точку. Это интересная маленькая метафора. Как вы выкладываете это? Как долго вы выкладываете это?
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Я думаю, что это прекрасно, потому что уроки в школе – это основная основа для учеников, чтобы быть счастливыми. Ты – королева счастливости. Ты думаешь об этом. Это их самая большая тенденция.
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Они решают, как работать с системой.
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Это невероятно. Я люблю это. Она не покупала подарки для маленького Джонни, была ли она? Я не знаю, я это сделаю.
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Хорошо, давайте идем в Довинпорт, Иова, где Даниэль есть. Даниэль, как мы можем помочь сегодня?
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Мы должны остаться или мы должны уйти, это вопрос.
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Да, так что ты будешь в Стонвальде. Так что это было 4 месяца назад, когда они сказали, что ты будешь отдыхать около 4 дней или недели. Так что я люблю факт, что ты взял это в свои руки и получил эту дополнительную лицензию. Так что, когда вы способны вступить в эту роль или двигать эти вредные материалы, что дает вам большую зарплату и лучшее обслуживание?
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Поехали. Но не перестаньте. У нас есть ребенок на пути, три девушки дома, много ответственностей. Не оставляйте этого предыдущего работника до того, как у нас остается другая работа. Это мой четкий совет на это. Так что давайте идем. Стоп ждать этого предыдущего компания, мой друг Даниэль. Предыдущая компания не будет позвонить вам. Я помню, когда я был в школе, у меня были друзья.
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У меня всегда был простой ключ, Рэйчел. Но у меня были друзья, которые задавали девушку три-четыре раза. После второго, нет, время перейти дальше. И они не отвечают на твою вопрос. Они кидают это в корпорат, и я даже не уверен, что они говорят с кем-то в корпорате. Так что знак на стене, это то, что я получаю. Пора тебе взять следующий тест, давайте сделаем это, и давайте перейдем дальше.
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Два полноценных работа.
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Да, полноценные работы. И держать их от друг друга. Это как, это как иметь младенца.
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Люди и идеи, да? Да. То есть в этом есть какая-то креативность, но в основном все эти ответы приводят к тому, что ты хорош в работе с людьми, и ты наслаждаешься работой с людьми, верно? Корректно, да. Итак, на данный момент, если у тебя нет книги, я дам тебе ее. У тебя есть книга? Потому что тебе нужно больше тренировок. У меня есть книга из библиотеки. О, фантастически.
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Мы дадим тебе оба бесплатно. Но вот что ты должен делать. Ты должен взять статус цели и посмотреть на это как описание работы. Потому что это все для тебя. Если это для меня описание работы, то где в моей области, где в мире работы, где я живу, есть открытые работы, которые позволяют мне это сделать? Это так просто. Так что ты не сидишь и спрашиваешь в голове, что я должен делать?
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Это все, что я могу сказать. Вы должны быть невероятными.
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Ты будешь делать работа людей, ты поговорил об изображении, об инструкции. Так что это коммуникация, у тебя есть коммуникация, инструкция и умение.
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То есть ты будешь работать с людьми, тренировать их, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что касается руководства, то, что кас
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Добавляйте новое ребенка, сделайте все в стабильном состоянии, а затем возьмите следующие шаги, чтобы перейти в работу, которую вы действительно готовы сделать. Подождите, Даниэль, ты хороший человек. У тебя уже есть сигнал. Твоя компания, они не собираются привести тебя в рейс. Пойдем дальше. Подождите, мы возьмем тебе эти две книги, и я покажу тебе через книгу. Хорошо, быстрый перерыв.
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Она Рэйчел Круз, я Кен Кольман, это «Рамзи-шоу», мы вернемся сразу.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
96 в год. Хорошо. Хорошо. Так что, какая ваша вопрос?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Добро пожаловать в «Рамси-шоу». Я Кен Коулман. Я присутствую с Рачелом Крузом. Телефон номер 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Мы здесь, чтобы ответить на ваши вопросы. Пойдем к Джейсону, который присутствует сейчас в Лос-Анджелесе, Калифорния. Джейсон, как нам помочь? Привет, спасибо за звонок. Конечно, что происходит сегодня, Джейсон? Итак, у меня есть... Извините.
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И что тебя оставило от ответа на эту предложение?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Так что вы должны установить эту границу. Окей, Кен стоит здесь. Я стою, я стою. Я согласен с тем, что Райджел сказала. Я просто хочу сказать это. Я буду отвечать так, как если бы я был в твоих руках. И я не знаю, есть ли у этого партнера какие-то особенные характеристики, поэтому я полностью негативен.
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Но если моя дочь, Джоси, которая, кстати, завершится в 15 лет завтра, если бы она пришла ко мне и сказала, что она хочет большой партнер, и у нее будет бюджет, я думаю, что будет 10, я бы спросил на список. Нет смысла мне даже дать 4, 5, 6, без того, чтобы увидеть, где в мире 10 тысяч идут, Я бы сказал, что все, что Рачель сказала, абсолютно верно.
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Вы даете номер после того, как они дадут вам номер. Вы не просто говорите, что будет 10, может быть 12, может быть 15, вы даете половину. Вы должны спросить о спецификах. И иметь настоящий разговор с их дочерью. И вы сейчас в очень тяжелой ситуации с революцией. И теперь у нее есть два.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Дайте мне ваш бюджет. Что вы хотите для вашего партнера? Давайте просто пройдем через это. Давайте учим ее. Это момент учения, чтобы сказать, да, я бы хотел ездить на Lamborghini. И потом ты говоришь, что это то, что ты можешь сделать.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
И вы не вредите другому компанию, и поэтому рискуете отбиваться от одного или двух.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Но культура никогда не должна отрубить общий смысл.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Так что, возвращаясь к тебе, Джейсон, у тебя есть настоящий номер в голове, который ты чувствуешь, что я не могу обеспечить. Ты чувствуешь себя как человек, который в контроле за свою ситуацию денег. Ты звучишь очень стабильно. Какой номер, если бы я поставил его на огонь для моей дочери, он бы не трогал меня, он бы не дал мне момент Мэйлока? Какой это номер?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Хорошо. Ты будешь в порядке с инвестициями, ты должен проверить, будет ли революция, ты должен определить, какие зарплаты будут, и все это, и ты будешь стартовать, хорошо? Но ты в порядке. Но если номер 3000, и ты скажешь, это моя маленькая девушка, она хочет это, я могу дать ей три тысячи, тогда начнем с этого, тогда поймем список, и посмотрим, если мы сможем, ты знаешь, приблизиться к этому.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Это то, что я пытаюсь сделать, это привести тебя к тому моменту, когда ты не позволяешь вреду провести день, и сделать плохое финансовое решение, и я думаю, что 3000 это нормальный номер, ты согласен?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
И твоя дочь может не любить это. Она не любит тебя сейчас, так что мы не теряем это дело. Я не пытаюсь быть инсенситивным, я просто держу это в реальном. Что ты будешь делать? Мэйкер и я хотим быть еще больше женаты. Я имею в виду, мы уже пересекли эту границу. Так что, ты должен встать к твоим оружиям, чувак. И получать игрушку. Я готова к тебе, Джейсон. Да, Джейсон, ты хороший человек.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Ты будешь в порядке. Это будет отличный партнер. Да. Рэйчел, кстати, придет и сделает танец или что-то. Я приду в партнерство. Отпусти эту требовательность. 15-летние девушки. Это будет замечательно. Ты расскажешь историю. Это «Реабилитация».
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Rachel Cruz joins me this hour.
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Let's go to Preston, who joins us now in Dallas, Texas.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Сколько времени ты думаешь, что ты сможешь это сохранить и не узнать об этом? Как долго ты думаешь, что у тебя будет?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Я не думаю, что ты понимаешь... Подожди секунду, Мелодия. Я не думаю, что Рэйчел понимает этот контент. Она работает два полноценных работа.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Это будет как ты будешь персоналом для другого компании, и они не знают об этом. Она знает, что она не может это сохранить, потому что она будет обнаружена, и потом она выстрелится.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Да, так что давайте посмотрим, какая у тебя самая маленькая вредность? Это будут студентские налоги.
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Редактор субтитров А.Семкин Корректор А.Кулакова Мелодия, как мы можем помочь?
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Итак, что за зарплата? Какая минимальная зарплата на студентском налоге сейчас? Три из них вместе.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Вот я пытаюсь сказать, что если вы остаетесь с этим, если вы остаетесь с этим и вы работаете над этим планом, то, во-первых, вы должны остановить еду. Нет больше. Вы должны остановиться, вы должны... Покупайте турецкие сэндвичи вечером, приготовьте яйца и бекона для ужина.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Вы аккаунт, ваша проблема не в суммах, проблема в поведении. И если вы попробуете это за месяц и скажете, что все в порядке, мы не будем ехать ни разу, только чтобы посмотреть, сколько денег вы можете заплатить. И суть в том, что мы отбираем студентские налоги, затем мы отбираем карты, и вдруг у вас больше маржин, чем вы понимаете.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Это примерно так, как это выглядит, потому что они не в двух разных сферах. Нет, нет, нет, нет, нет, окей, подождите, только для точки зрения здесь, окей, мы не будем скучать на этом, но я должен помочь моему другу, Рейчел, и Мелани, я должен помочь тебе. Рейчел должна помочь мне здесь. Нет, нет, она не понимает, и когда она понимает, Рейчел, слушай меня, вот что происходит.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Я знаю, что вы расстроены, но у вас больше маржин в этом бюджете, чем вы понимаете. Но вы должны изменить свои спендинговые навыки. И если вы это сделаете, и если мы сможем получить немного дополнительного дохода, мы продаем что-то в этом сноуболе, что-то у нас есть, мы можем найти маржин довольно быстро, как детально, как вы.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Вы и ваша жена должны сидеть и думать, что если мы сделаем это, и мы сделаем это, и мы сделаем это, как в шоке, за следующие 6-12 месяцев, вот как много прогресса мы сделаем. И вдруг вы думаете, что это делается. Я думаю, что вы просто расстроены сейчас.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Окей, у тебя есть $1,000, это то, куда ты стоишь? Да. Можешь продать вашу жену автомобиль? Мы уходим из времени, но ты должен посмотреть на все. Сделать машины, все. Ты должен уменьшить твои месячные зарплаты и увеличить твою зарплату. Так что для тебя, мой друг, я знаю, что ты аккаунт, но сейчас много работ для аккаунтов.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Я бы работал 60-80 часов в неделю, делая аккаунтную работу, потому что ты можешь получать очень хорошо зарплату для фрилансовой работы. Зарплата увеличивается, зарплаты уменьшаются.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Одна компания, назовем ее ABC, платит Мелани, чтобы работать в полном времени. Да. Это, что, 40 часов в неделю минимум, Мелоди? Да. Окей. Да. Компания XYZ также плачет Мелоди за 40 часов в неделю. И, Мелоди, расскажи, сколько часов ты работаешь в неделю для обеих компаний? 80. Я не видела этого, она пытается поднять меня к технике.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Добро пожаловать в «Рамзи»! Мы рады, что вы с нами. Меня зовут Кен Коулман. Рэйчел Круз присоединяется к нам. Мы здесь, принимая ваши звонки, 888-825-5225. Мы говорим о вашей жизни, то ли это ваша ситуация с денег, ваша ситуация с работой. Мы здесь, чтобы помочь вам сегодня. Давайте перейдем к Агдену, Ютубе. Конор здесь. Конор, как нам помочь?
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Я curious to know, are you two leaning the same way, one of you leaning one way, one leaning the other?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Как много ты думаешь, что ты сможешь заработать за месяц в колледже? Если бы ты заплатил за некоторые из этих имуществ.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Окей, так что, опять же, это будет 18-19 тысяч долларов, 20 тысяч? Я не очень хороший в математике, но где-то в этом ряду, да? 15, 16, где-то так. Так что ты должен сидеть с женой и сказать, окей, вот это заработок, который ты бы заплатил, но это не включает зарплаты, которые Рейшел упоминала. Это не будет бесплатно и очевидно 15-18 тысяч долларов.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Георгий Кэмпбелл сделал это на звонок. Я сказал, что это очень хороший упражнение, потому что это стоит? Это стоит все это работа? Позвольте просто назвать это нотой, просто для простых цифр, 14 тысяч долларов в год. Вы будете иметь зарплаты. Вы просто будете иметь. И вы получите все это за 14 тысяч. И к Рачелу, что это за продажа на огромную оплату или покупку дома в кэш?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Я все еще думаю, что это неэффективно, что они не знают друг друга.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
В этом моменте вашей религии. Я бы тоже убил дом. Я действительно бы хотел. Но ты должен сидеть со своей женой и рассматривать.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
И опять же, не чтобы судить тебя, Мелани, потому что нет судов, это больше защита.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Блок-партии, игры и все такое.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Я была старой душой. В колледжах. Я думаю, что ты еще старая душа.
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Мелисса в Чатануге, Теннесси. Не начинай с Чатануга. Мелисса, как нам помочь?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Это много. Я понимаю. Что будет выглядеть в интернете? Если они отключат это на маленьком месте, где ты в позиции менеджера, и ты идешь в большее место, где директор, в какой роли ты? Ты делаешь то же количество денег?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Хорошо, если бы вы знали, что путь был 2-3 года, это было гарантированно, что вы будете менять ее, вы бы были на телефоне с нами?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Я просто не уверена, что это правильный выбор для меня.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Я бы провел время сейчас, думая о вашем дальнейшем будущем, понимая, что у вас есть безопасная опция, чтобы как минимум взять это для последнего, пока вы все еще это решаете. Так что я просто хочу, чтобы вы дышали.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Как вы все делаете сегодня? Ну, у нас шок, Левай, что у вас?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Это не тревожит меня в том смысле, что я думаю, что она плохая. Это просто рискованно для Мелани. Я буквально играю защитного администратора, чтобы она сказала, что я не скажу тебе, что ты сделал неправильно. Моя работа — это помочь тебе продолжать получать зарплату и не быть подозреваемым. Да.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Поздравляю! Какой будет твой бюджетный фонд? Три или шесть месяцев? Четыре месяца? Пять месяцев? И сколько будет?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Хорошо. Сколько вы думаете на ринге? У нас есть Рэйчел, которая, как мне кажется, эксперт в этом. Когда это касается жюри, она эксперт в ринге.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Итак, я предполагаю, что она будет ответить «Да». Вы чувствуете себя довольно уверенным, что мы будем ответить «Да». Есть ли ожидания для родителей, чтобы вы все продолжали жить вместе, и для вас, чтобы вы должны обращать внимание на них?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Понятно. И вы все в этом? О, я вижу, что вы там делаете.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Так что теперь вопрос в том, возьму ли я эту другую работу, которая имеет бонусы выше и выше 100 баз, плюс путь к развитию, Мелани. Ты сказала, что это работа, которая лучше для тебя в дальнейшем.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Да, вы знаете, где вы будете регистрированы? Он не знает, что я только что сказал. Вы даже знаете, что это означает? Я не, я не. О, это так здорово, я знал это. Ну, она может объяснить это тебе. Это то, где родители, это то, где родители, они идут и делают свои подарки.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Now I'm not working 80 hours a week.
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You're not cheating on another company.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
And again, it may be a lifestyle shift, because it's a hybrid idea.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
But maybe you get into that, and it works, and it's great, and you figure out the logistics with the kids, and your kids are in school, which is helpful.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Or you pan back a year from now and say, wow, this is hard.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Итак, что остальное? Из 20, что еще у вас есть?
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Мелоди, ты же знаешь, что я на команде Мелоди, да?
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Я не. Так что ты должен ввести бонус, амортизировать это за 12 месяцев. И потом ты начинаешь смотреть на месяц.
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Так что мой момент, я думаю, что в целом, это не будет так много разницы в коротком времени, и мы знаем, что в длительном времени это лучше, если ты возьмешь этот новый работу.
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Да, Мелоди, возьми работу. Боже мой, ты должен уйти из тюрьмы свободно на этом. Я имею в виду, ой! Кстати, это новая тренда. Она не одна. Есть миллионы американцев, которые профессиональные полигамы. Они имеют два полного работа, и они не знают друг друга. И это шутка. Я не волнуюсь, как вы его срезаете. Я за все, чтобы вы получили их зарплату.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Но, боже, ты можешь попасть в огонь, и это сделает меня нервничать, понимаешь? О, боже! Это «Рэмси-шоу».
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Да, с детьми. Вы делаете общение с детьми из разных людей? Какова ситуация?
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Я позволяю Рэйчел принимать большие цели в отношениях и денег.
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Define Your Future By Setting The Right Financial Priorities
Я просто хочу отметить что-то, что появилось дважды в разговоре с нами. И я просто хочу уйти от этого. И я позволяю Рэйчел помочь тебе на этом. И я могу ввести себя в это. Но... Эта идея, что Библия говорит о том, что вы цените родителей вашего мужа, эта идея, что это означает, что вы потеряете сына. Нет, нет, нет, нет.
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Это все будет падать под то же оборудование, на которое Рачель посоветовала вас, если вы все будете на одной странице. И не важно, если дети приходят из предыдущих отношений или нет. Нет, ни в коем случае ты не собираешься, или, как ты говоришь, не принадлежишь сыну. Это не часть эквазии, и если это часть разговора, это не здорово, и ты сделал правильное дело ходить.
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And the key there, Timothy, is what George just laid out for you. The time it's going to take to save up the down payment, the right kind of down payment, you're going to have all of those qualifications taken care of. So deep breath, exhale, and don't listen to all the voices that want to throw an opinion at you. George just gave you the absolute truth.
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There is no other opinion you need to be considering. Period.
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And Timothy, the only thing I'd add is I don't want you to take some of this nervous energy and let's put it into making more money. You're working two jobs and pulling down $35,000. I want to see that change. You need to be getting more money for your time. And so put all that energy into increasing your income right now.
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You have everything else under control, and that focus on making more money will help with your nerves. George gave you a lot of clarity. And the clarity that George gave you should give you confidence now, right? So we want confident Timothy going out there. He's got a plan. And let's go make more money because more money allows us to advance the plan quicker.
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Where is she right now? I get the same page thing, but what's the actual conversation, the latest status to her emotion, her openness? Give us a better picture.
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Well, it's just people don't know what they're talking about. And so that's why they come here and George just dispels the fake news, folks. Buck the system. I'm all about it. There it is. That's why he wrote the best-selling book, Breaking Free from Broke. Go get it. Listen to the man. He's wearing corduroy. That's credibility. That's all you need to know. It's all the credibility you need.
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All right, quick break. More of The Ramsey Show coming right up.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show alongside George Campbell. I'm Ken Coleman. The phone number is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. What are your money questions? You need to know what to do with it. You need to make more of it. Well, you got the duo today. We want to help you make more money and keep it. Let's go to New York City where Rob joins us. Rob, how can we help today?
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show, America. This is where we coach you to win in your life. We want you to win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. The phone number to jump in today is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Alongside George Camel, who's looking natty and just looking sharp, man. Thank you. The apparel today, the corduroy gold.
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Rob, I feel you. I'm so glad you called today. I feel like I walked into this studio today in large part to get to talk to you. Man, this is, first of all, kudos. The first half of your description of you, George, is like you're the poster child for George. But then you start talking about eating wild plants and fishing, and then you lost him.
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But the fact that you've saved $200,000 at 25, George.
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So I'm proud of you. So Rob, you're a young guy. You may never have heard this phrase before, but I'm going to introduce it to you because I think it's a great metaphor for where you are. There's an old phrase called the golden handcuffs, and it's referring to somebody who had been at a company for a long time. They make good money.
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They got great benefits, strong retirement, and they don't want to be there, but they feel the golden handcuffs because it's good money. And there's an emotional handcuff there that says, if I were to leave this, it would be foolish. Those who don't have what I have would think that I'm crazy. And I think you're experiencing that rarely enough at the age of 25. Does that feel right to you?
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I think you should probably enjoy life a little bit more. But the good news is George is on today, and George can speak to that. I am, in a fun way, I play with you a little bit on this because George does very well. But he really is the most frugal person, and he will say things sometimes in conversation.
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We sit right next to each other, and he will say things sometimes where I literally look at you and I go, bro, you've earned it. Live a little bit. So I want you to speak to that mindset in a minute, but I want to first focus on this biggest issue. Rob, you don't need George and I's permission today.
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But I think you need to hear us say it is okay for you to leave New York in a really good-paying job to go do something somewhere else that is more in line with the way you want to live, and you can still make that $120K and more. And I think just acknowledging that, I hope, will set you free today. That doesn't mean you leave today. And it doesn't mean you walk in and resign and just go, whee!
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Oh, she gave you an ultimatum. Two years.
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But if there's anybody who could, you could, because you got $200,000 in the bank. That's financial peace right there. And so my question is, what's the work that you're doing? What field are you in?
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You know why? You're trying to prove something to somebody.
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There you go. Hey, by the way, the voice in our head is the most damaging. The hardest person to please. So here's what I would say in short order. You enjoy doing work in the finance field.
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So there are lots of ways you can do that somewhere else where you're close to fishing, where you're in an environment that you enjoy and the hobbies and the things that you need to be healthy distractions from this
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And then after two years, would you have the flexibility or the freedom to say, all right, we want to move back to the town you're in now?
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This voice that you're dealing with that says, I've got to prove, I've got to prove, I've got to prove, and boy, you're talking to a guy who is currently in recovery from that kind of stuff. I'm as serious as I can be. I get it. I've been living my life with a chip on my shoulder because of something that happened to me when I was 14.
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Listen, I'm in the middle of recovery. I'm being as vulnerable as I can be. I'm uncomfortable right now, James, how vulnerable I'm being. But Rob, so what has helped me is to go, wait a second, there's this voice in my head that is constantly asking, am I good enough?
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So I don't know what your voice is, but I think at this stage of your life at 25, the fact that you resonated with something that I said and it's in your story and I'm not going to unpack that on the air, I think you know what it is. But can I tell you, I would go get some therapy and dig on that now at 25.
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And I think that will be the bridge that you build mentally and emotionally that will lead you out of New York alive. leads you to where you need to be and doing similar work that you're doing. And I think you'll be more fulfilled than you can ever imagine. George, I want you to weigh in on that because you also have a unique point of view. And I think you resonate with this as well.
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Well, listen, I've been married almost 27 years. Based on what I'm hearing, it feels like she is on the same page. She's not thrilled about it, but she's willing. And I think that willingness, she gets to determine willing, you know? And it sounds like she is, unless I'm missing something.
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That's great insight. You know, that's a great insight, Rob. Maybe it's not New York. Maybe it's just you and functioning in New York. But just for a fun exercise, if you could snap your fingers right now and you're doing similar work and you're making similar money with a nice path to making more money, is there any place in the U.S.
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that you would just go, okay, if I could transplant from where I am to here, Ken, I think that would be a fun adventure to see if that was awesome. What comes to mind?
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So, so Rob, the answer is never to yo-yo. And when any of us yo-yo, we're not healthy.
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You know what I think you ought to do? And I'm going to be super, super practical here, George. Please. Tell me what you think. I think you need to spend a weekend. You got all kinds of money. I'd like to see you rent a cabin up there in Sleepy Hollow and see if you can find Ichabod Crane while you're up there. You know, the headless horseman, the whole nine yards.
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and practice this idea of being present i think you've self-diagnosed pretty well george that's what i'm i think he knows he's not present and i think he needs to feel something you know and that's when you see is scratching the itch enough or is this a full-time move i need to get out of the city completely forever that's right and we can't decide that for you rob but i hope we've given you enough next tactical steps to get there yeah rob listen to your heart
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I'm just telling you, listen to your heart. Listen to your heart. And then engage the brain. The logic, it can move on its own, but the heart and the head must be connected on big moves like this. But I think you're a sharp young man, and I think you're going to do great things. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show alongside George Camel. I'm Ken Coleman. The phone number to jump in is 888-825-5225. Let's go to Jessica, who is joining us in Knoxville, Tennessee, just on the other side of the state. Jessica, how can we help?
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So then take it. So it's almost like you needed some confidence today. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, listen. the more you waver with her willingness, it could affect her willingness. And so in this situation, the fact that you're a young couple, you're engaged to be married, you guys are playing house already. Have you proposed yet?
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Oh, no. Can you describe that briefly to us?
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And this entire time, you have always said, stop doing this. I'm not in favor of this. This scares me.
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And he's not participating in therapy. So I think we've got some real clear gates that you have walked through here, and I think certainly separation is of order here to see if there's a wake-up call.
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I must have seen the works. I just assumed that. Thank you, George, for correcting that. But I just think the fact that she said, all right, I'm willing to do it for the two years. She's not thrilled about it. This is a sacrifice that couples have to learn to make.
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And that's my question. Does your disability prohibit you from being able to make a steady income?
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Why? Because you'll lose the disability payment? Disability. How much is the disability payment? Hold on a second. But you missed my question, Jessica. I'm saying, is there an end to this physical challenge that you will be able to get through through medical care? Or is this a, I'm trying to understand what you can actually do. Forget the benefit payment.
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So you are unable to work from home, do a remote job, and work 40 hours a week? Correct. Okay. That's what I wanted to understand. So you've got a, this is George, this is a fixed and a very low fixed income. Yeah.
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And I would say, Jessica, George told you, I hope you caught it. Pay off the debt today, your debt. Go ahead and do that. I know that cash is very attractive sitting in that savings account, but one of the best things you can do to protect yourself on a very low fixed income is to have no debt. So I'm glad she has that, right, George? Yeah. That's what we want. Saving grace. Quickly.
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And I would tell you there will be a season or two or three, who knows how many seasons, that you're going to have to sacrifice for her as well. So this is a good woman on the surface here that she's willing to do this because she really likes what she does.
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Oh, it's a no question. If that's you, every dime is going.
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A quick follow-up question for new folks that are joining us all the time. We have so many people joining us all the time that are new to the show, George. When you say sinking funds, are those separate savings accounts or is it all just clearly earmarked in one savings account?
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And you don't have to have an Excel spreadsheet for that when you've got the separate accounts. Nope, and you can set it up in your every dollar budget. I love throwing George the questions like that. I try to get in the mind of the people. One of these days you're going to catch me, Coleman. I don't think so. I think you're too smart. All right, fun hour. This is The Ramsey Show.
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And to the extent that you can be supportive of her and help her figure out how can I do something that's very similar to the work that I love right now in this new town, that would be great too. But, George, I would not waffle on her willingness. I would say, okay, thank you, sweetheart. Let's go. Two years from now we come back.
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. George Camel is alongside, and we are here to help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win in your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. 888-825-5225. Chris is going to start us off in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Chris, how can we help?
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What was the attempt? Describe the attempt to help.
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I agree. And Chris, I have a question. Did they ask to stay with you or did your wife offer?
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And so is the mother-in-law able to work? Does she have a past or history?
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When this happened last time, how long did they stay? And was there a same kind of a deal? This is a certain amount of time or was that not the case?
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If you said to your wife today, hey, babe, I think I need to be the man of the house. I know they're your parents, but I'm the man of the house here. To a lot of people, that may sound archaic, but I'm going to stick with it, George. And you said to her, I'd like to have a respectful conversation, but say, hey, the month is coming up.
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We agreed to a month and we think that you guys need to move out. It's best for everybody. And we can't. We've tried to help. You've met it with resistance. And I'm enabling you some form of that speech in Chris's words. If you suggested that to her, how would she react?
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All right. But my point in asking that was if she's not comfortable with you doing it, is she comfortable doing it?
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That's what I would do. I'd let her lead, but I would keep saying, babe, I'm here to support. You got to have this conversation. If you're not comfortable, I'll be the bad guy, but you've got to kind of, you really got to keep that thing going. You cannot, cause it's going to end up affecting your relationship.
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Unless she's not willing. That's why I threw that out there.
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I think it's not already. Sorry, George interrupt. I apologize. I, I think that thanks. I want to point this out and tell me if you disagree. Yeah. Because I want Chris to hear this. I think his wife needs to hear this. I don't see a scenario where this doesn't really ruffle their feathers. It sounds like the parents are like, look, leave us alone. We'll figure it out on our own.
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Obviously, they don't know how to, and they're not interested in leaving anytime soon. And there is a sense of entitlement. This is now not an entitled, spoiled teenager situation. These are entitled adults. That's scarier. Who aren't mature in their finances and they are leveraging their parental position over their daughter. And I don't see how this goes well. Well, it's unfair.
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It's manipulative. It's immature. My point is that I think this is a rip the Band-Aid off. Respectfully, I don't mean like, you know, slash and burn, but I don't see how this goes well at all other than It frees up. Chris and his wife and creates a boundary that needs to be in place. Do you agree with that?
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And you know, what's interesting too, uh, George, what I heard, I appreciate that Chris and his wife wanted to help him do a budget, but you know what? Showing somebody how to do a budget is not enough. If they don't want to do it, no amount of instruction or... They're not experiencing enough pain right now because they're living rent-free.
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You know, I was just sitting here thinking, because I have 19-year-old to 16-year-olds. I don't want my kids coming back to live with me. I love my kids. I'm brokenhearted with my oldest at college for the first time, right? But at the same time, it's natural. It's normal. And I don't want him to come back and live with me.
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The only thing worse than your kids coming back to live with you are your parents. Can you imagine if you and Stacey... Unless it's a health situation and you're their caregiver. That's the asterisk.
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You bailed me out from all the hate. What I'm saying is if your parents come back to live with you because they can't support themselves financially, because of their irresponsibility, that's what I'm saying. Oh, wow. Not easy. Tough stuff, Chris. But you and your wife, you got the right instincts. Follow them. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show alongside George Camel. I'm Ken Coleman. So excited you're with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Let's go to Des Moines, Iowa. Monica is there. Monica, how can we help today?
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Okay. Give us the numbers. George has got his handy calculator ready to crunch.
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What would be three to six months' expenses for you?
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Okay, so you have more than three to six months in that savings account with the $12,000. That's what I was trying to get to.
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Monica, quick question, George, before you get to your crunching of numbers. Do we expect to marry this significant other?
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I'm not sure what church is good with that situation, Monica. Correct. No judgment here. So working on that. I love that you're working on it. She's working on it.
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But see, that changes the equation a little bit, George. I wanted you to have that information.
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Yes. Have you had this conversation with him that just how you feel about your own finances? Yes. How does he react?
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But I don't sense that. I don't sense that that's happening, because he's calling us. He already has the green light from her to say, sure, I'll go. Am I right? It's a reluctant I'll go. I think Charles is a little bit scared. Should I do this? Is that right, Charles?
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Yeah, well, and George is addressing that plan. So when George hits you with that, what is your reaction that you can do tangibly when it comes to income, saving more? What immediately comes to mind? Because you've got to stop worrying and start getting busy. Part of this challenge is you didn't have a clear vision of what you need to do. George just gave it to you.
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But now the second thing is we start getting busy. And the busier I am attacking something that is a potential problem, the less I'm worried about it. Do you resonate with that?
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Okay, so what can you do tactically coming out of what George just told you?
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Yes. Let's go get it, Monica. You can sell. You are a six-figure earner. Let's go. You want to attack this worry and sleep well at night? Start making some more money and putting more money away. Agreed. Come on, Monica. Do not let this fear happen to you. You need to happen to it. Let me tell you something I've learned, okay?
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I've had the privilege at Ramsey Solutions, not counting the Ramsey Show, but on the Ken Coleman Show, George, I've coached over 10,000 people. And they're trying to make more money or experience more meaning in work. And Monica, here's what I want you to hear. There's a formula that I've learned. Because people call me and they're paralyzed. Do I take this job? Do I stretch out to this?
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Do I get a degree? You know, they're trying to figure out what do I do to make my life better through my work. And here's what I've learned, George. You've heard me say this. And Monica, I want you to catch this. Clarity always breeds confidence. And confidence breeds courage. And I think that's what you need today. And George just gave you tremendous clarity. And you got it.
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You repeated back exactly what we would want you to do. There's your clarity. Let that clarity out. That action plan that you laid out for us so clearly, let that be the thing that you focus on and watch what happens, George. Your confidence is going to go up. And then the confidence... Gives you that courage to keep going, keep trying, get a new gig here.
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Well, the fact is she's a good woman, and you're a good dude. The reason that you're thinking through this is because you really do have a sense of the compromise that she's making. And I think George is right. I think you guys as a couple need to figure out what our future is. You need to put a ring on her finger soon, and you guys need to start playing this out. What does this look like?
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Monica, you're going to be okay. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell joins me. And we're thrilled you're with us. 888-825-5225. So this is fun. We get to do this every once in a while. We got John on the line, George. And John is from the Miami area. And he's 46 and he's single. That's what I know. And John reached out to us and he said, I need some help with my budget. And we love this.
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So we're going to go through the numbers. We got, I mean...
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the budget man right next to me that's like cracking my fingers ready to go i love it the people heard you crack the knuckles that was real life no sound effects so this is real so i've plugged it into our budgeting app every dollar so these are john's real numbers here and we're going to see what his situation is we're going to walk through it right now all right let's go john are you there yeah hi guys how are you well we're great man how are you feeling about this live on air uh budgetectomy
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What kind of money does she need to make? What's the job market look? She's got a head start on this. So the fact that we have a general idea of what she loves helps. What we don't know is your location. And when will you know that?
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I got good news, John. I don't know what the bad news is going to be. George is going to let you know shortly. The good news is you can get out of this, and boy, oh boy, do you have the man to help you. He's wearing corduroy today, so he's got a little extra credibility and confidence. All right, George, take it away. Let's do this.
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And what would you say is the reason why you're having a hard time finding full-time employment?
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Are you getting opportunities and just not winning the job, or is it a lack of interviews?
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Okay, and when you look at the field, are there multiple opportunities that you see out there that you are qualified for and are in the range of salary that you're used to making?
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Yeah, well, that is true. I mean, the white-collar jobs right now, we've seen a slow, slowing, what they call a softening in the job economy. So that's real. But let's stay on the budget, but we do got to talk about income here. Go ahead, George.
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So I'm trying to figure out what her... About a year lead time on this? How much lead time will she have when you can say to her, hey, we're moving to this town?
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That's right. The live stream tonight. It's in the lobby right now. Rehearsals are happening as we speak. I hope everyone listening joins us. Oh, I like that, too.
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Okay. So, you know, it's not a six-month lead time, but it's enough time to do some work and figure this out. And I think that you guys got to start this marriage with this, hey, we are going to bend together so that we don't break. And she's showing a willingness to bend. And so you want to help her get back into the work that she loves, return that favor.
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Yeah, the work you're doing on these, you told us you had these contracts. Is that remote work?
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The white-collar world, the kind of jobs, it is tightened. It is a softer market.
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so you're working really hard to replace it however you're also at home depot or lowe's or walmart or whatever you are working you've got operational experience you've been a manager of of processes that is extremely versatile and valuable my point is you're waiting for another contractor job while you're looking you are working working working to knock these credit cards down that's the key to winning on this deal
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George, tell people how they can get every dollar just like we recommended to John.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. You know, I think back, George, by the way, I'm Ken Coleman, George Camel with me today here. I think back to that last call with John as you were walking him through every dollar. You know, the theme there is, John, you've got to take control of your money. He's been very successful, but he's never really had control of his money.
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And by the way, you know, no judgment or shame there. We've all been there before. And the idea of taking control of your money, that thought leads to an action, George, that, again, can turn anything around. And we've seen some extreme turnarounds here in our time at Ramsey Solutions and as co-hosts of The Ramsey Show.
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And it just makes me think again tonight why tonight's live stream is so important. It's a free live stream event. We've got over 400,000 people registered to join this free event. It's free. Live on YouTube, 7 central tonight. And if you're one of those people right now, you're listening to us or watching us, you're going, I've never truly taken control of my money.
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And I think if you do this with a lot of sensitivity, but also with confidence. then I think you guys will be okay. Sensitive confidence. That's how I've always thought about you, Ken. Well, I'm trying to get to the sensitive part. I'm working on it, George.
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I really think you ought to tune in tonight, George.
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Now, you don't want to miss a minute of this, obviously, because every minute is planned out. But people are at home. Life happens. And for people who love you, George, because it's a growing number. We're up to 10? It's really a large group of people. Do you have any idea about what time you're going to appear if you look at the minute by minute?
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So the point is, if you're going to have to get up and go to the restroom, You want to be back in your couch. That's right. Around 745-ish. Yeah. And here's the good news. Are you wearing the corduroy on that too? I am. I didn't want to have to wardrobe change. I want the American people who are listening today who haven't seen this corduroy. What did you say? I missed that.
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I said I don't want to have to do a wardrobe change, so I thought I'd just wear what I'm wearing. I like that. Well, it's fantastic, Jack. Thank you. It will be fun. By the way, I have a bucket of popcorn.
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Listen, I'm not starting tonight, all right? Tonight's the night I'm not starting. It's not my night. It's going to be awesome. I'll be in the pajama pants.
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And that's because that's the only trucking job available to you?
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So the question then becomes, and again, before we start talking about, you know, you don't have enough money to pay your debt, we've got to figure out how we get more money. And that's why I kind of interrupted here to figure out where we are here. So I understand the anxiety. No shame in that. Don't be embarrassed by that. That's real. But a couple things on that. Number one, that's treatable.
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Okay, but regardless of what you're doing to treat that, I would be looking mentally at I've got to do the hard work. If it's a chemical thing, I'm doing meds. I've got to get to a point where... where I can get back on the road for a season if that's the best money I can make, or I've got to expand my horizons and my thinking to, all right, I can do more.
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that's kind of where i'm going i agree but they may be married so if they're married she's coming with i'd hope so i think within these 10 months let's figure out a plan let's put a ring on yeah i'm expecting i am expecting him to put a ring on her finger and at this point we're moving together and starting to look the life off that way so uh but anyway appreciate the call charles i think you're a good young man and uh appreciate the fact that you want to serve your state yeah and if i ever get pulled over in the oregon area i hope charles
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What jobs do not require me to be over the road for long amounts of time? I'm thinking UPS, driving for one of the beer companies, Coca-Cola. I mean, these jobs have higher pay than $35,000, and they also have a nice path.
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in these large companies so just trying to ideate for you to go man you can't accept whatever happened in the past it's got you here it's going to be a lot longer and a lot harder and george is going to walk you through this the debt snowball but you need more income and soon would you agree yeah okay your hourly rate right now is about 17 bucks an hour second job
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You see that there's potential for her to be doubling her income as well with not a whole lot of effort?
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My man, that's the conversation tonight over dinner.
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And I love that. I love that, Stephen, but that's not a job. And right now you need to get out of debt. You don't have a ton of spare time to be putting towards a lot of volunteerism.
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No, he's preaching. No. All right. Hey, real quick question. Super quick, Stephen. I just heard something. You said one of the reasons you don't want to go back out on over-the-road truck driving is because you want to be there preaching to the old folks, and I love that.
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With the medicine that you're on right now, are you able to drive without the crippling anxiety that got you out of the cab before? Yes or no?
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All right. I'd be working on that. I'd be working on getting to a point where you can manage your anxiety because that's $100,000, man. Quick. They need truck drivers.
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is there. I'm like, no, you were the guy. Don't give me a ticket. Sir, if I need a chance, is your name Charles? Yeah, I like that. Alright, quick break here on the Rangers show. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. Excited that you all are joining us today. 888-825-5225. Let's get back to the phones. Timothy is joining us in Erie, Pennsylvania. Timothy, how can we help? Hi, Ken. Hi, George. How are you guys? We're having a blast today. What's going on with you?
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places and they've given me two different answers i've tried with churchill and there's just a lot going on so some advice yeah you got my guess is you get some uh you get some cooks in the kitchen that are on the family side and friend side weighing in as well as my guess yeah okay what is the urgency to buy a house now at 19 yeah
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That's what I want to make sure is that they can be a part of that. I'm Ken Coleman, by the way, and we're here together for you today. George will lead out on those money calls, and I want to help you on the income side of things, and we'll work together. So let's get to it, George. You ready to go? I'm pumped. All right. Portland, Oregon is where we're going to start. Charles is there.
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Yeah, and Timothy, just full disclosure, my wife and I spent three years in an apartment, one in one city, two in another city before we bought. And it was because of what George said. We were renting until we were able to buy a home.
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But he says he's got a ring fund. How much is in that?
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Well, hi, Dave. First time caller. Thanks for taking my call.
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So my mom has a reverse mortgage. She is 91 years old. has been in the reverse mortgage for a long time. And so we are concerned as kids what our liability may be in the event when it comes. None. Basically, we have to deal with it. Zero.
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There's probably about $40,000 to $50,000 in equity in it right now. Okay. The loan is at about $250,000. Wow, this thing's creeped up.
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Well, there's 17 years into the reverse mortgage.
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Absolutely. And here's the thing. If you're a young couple right now and you're listening to this, it's a lot easier to do this when you don't have – I mean, excuse me. You don't have to be so surprised and all this, but it's easier to kind of say when you're first starting out, you don't have a bunch of money to kind of go, this is what we're going to do for each other for gifts this year.
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We're going to spend X amount. I'm making this up, but we're only going to spend $150 for birthdays or whatever. Yeah. you predetermine that and therefore the surprise is within what am I doing with the 150. So maybe that'll help you, Joshua, as you start out. As you start getting more income and a lot more discretionary income, then I think you take the advice that we just gave you.
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But the little surprises would be if you have a category for fun money or whatever. I think back in the old day it was called a blow envelope. You blow the money. Well, that's where instead of spending it on you, playing golf or whatever it is you do, You surprise her with a little something one month and you get the win there. So that's how you do it.
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And I think his biggest question, I think it was an interesting question, is what is the dynamic in the psychology between taking two accounts, in other words, incomes, and putting them together? I thought that was an interesting question. I think a lot of people, I'm glad he brought it up, because a lot of people think through that.
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Follow-up question for you, because you wrote a book called Know Yourself, Know Your Money. It's a bestseller.
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for couples if you had young couples sitting with you and you were doing a quick little all right here's one takeaway on entering into marriage and bringing those money styles yes into the dynamic you've just laid out what is a way to make sure that that transition of coming together maybe is a little smoother uh than if you just try to figure it out what would you say to that you know and i think this is probably in a lot of marriage the first year or two is
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That was a relationship goal. That's Oprah-level stuff you just dropped. I could see Oprah on the couch across from you going... It's a lot of therapy. That's a lot of... I don't care how you got it, you just gave it. And that was good, folks. Rewind that.
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How much margin do you have out of that $4,300 take-home? How much margin do you have at the end of the month if you haven't had a disaster or something like that? You've stuck to the budget, paid everything. What's that look like?
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You said that you've been throwing everything you can at the debt so far. How much? Just give us maybe a three-month average to the best of your memory or if you know it clearly. What is the amount you've been putting above all of your bills towards the extra? What is that extra amount you've been putting towards debt every month? Mm-hmm.
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In addition, it's my question. I'm not talking your minimums. I'm saying, I thought you had said that you're throwing. I'm trying to get an idea here because I'm going somewhere with this. How much extra beyond your minimums are you putting towards debt every month?
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And how often in the last five, six months have you gotten a big attorney bill?
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And what would you say the average has been? Has it been in that $1,200 range?
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Yeah, okay, so good news, bad news. Bad news is you're still in this fight, and I don't know if that's going to continue, but that is a massive chunk that if you didn't have that legal situation, now I'm going to add that. I'm going to say, let's be modest and say $1,000 plus the $300 in addition you've been putting already. That's $1,300 a month.
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To Rachel's point, I'm trying to encourage you here and then give you something tactical. We can pay $20,000, pay the $5,000 to $6,000 off really quick in medical and the $20,000 in credit card, or excuse me, $16,000 in credit card. We can pay that off really quick. So you asked the question, how do I see the light at the end of the tunnel?
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And I think you've got to just hang in there to go once we get past the custody fight. the light is shining bright because you're going to be able to put $1,300 a month towards, let's call it 21,000 change in debt, correct? Correct. That's going to go pretty quick. Now, what do we do in the interim? My question is, what can you do professionally? What skill set and experience do you have
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that could potentially make you an additional thousand to two thousand dollars a month you may not be able to do it but i want you to at least ask the question and go where could i do this can i make an additional thousand to two thousand dollars a month so that we can make some progress
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So the audience is clapping for her. They're in Nashville. They came here. This was her big birthday thing.
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Millie, thank you for sharing your special day with us. We're so happy to meet you. So I hope you enjoy the rest of the show. I'll try to be on my best behavior now. All right. Let's go to Sean in Miami, Florida. Sean, how can we help?
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Uh-oh. What is making you wonder if this is a mistake? Tell me what's really going on here.
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How long have you been self-employed
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I'm literally saying, I know you quit your $80,000 a year job. How long ago was that? How long have you been on your own without someone else paying? A week. Okay. Well, all right. That helps. That gives you some perspective. Do you have any clients lined up? Do you have any kind of a pipeline? Give me some status. Tell me what we're doing.
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Okay. Is that investment account, it's non-retirement, correct?
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yeah it's just like a through the bank a private perfect okay investment i'm already i gotta tell you i'm already indigestion is gone for you all right the way you started this call i was looking for a roll of tums and that might be a two tums call i was starting to feel it but you got you got your 80 000 and i'm proud of you for this you've got the 80 000 that you walked away from in an investment account you got an additional 40 do you have any debt
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All right, now tell me about the revenue. I understand we've got 80 put away, which is great.
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Do you have clients signed up that have already said, Eddie, I mean, excuse me, Sean, we're staying with you.
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Wow. I feel like you watched The Wolf of Wall Street and just decided to try to do your own version here. This is crazy.
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But I don't think it's going to get demonstrably worse. I mean, we're talking cartoonish levels right now. 125% tariff? Let's just be honest. Trump is negotiating, and who knows if it's going to work. But this is absurd. So I would sit on the sideline because you can't. I think that's absolutely the play. And I wish I could say more.
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At which point you go, all right, I'm going to eat the 53.
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Well, but if your renting is based on the job, do you price in the renting to the job? Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah. I'm working it out. So then my point is, is that as long as you can do that, to Rachel's point, I would not pay this tax. But you got to understand something, David. You got to take what I'm saying about a bag of salt, because I hate taxes.
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Like, the only thing I hate more than taxes is Satan. Right. I mean, that's the honest to God truth. So taxes come from hell, and so they're related. That's my take on it. And so I would sit tight, and I'm really sorry this is happening. I'm really sorry, but I'm glad you called. And I'm also glad, by the way.
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Of course, that makes total sense because you've got such a good deal on that. How much money are you making right now? What's your bring home every month?
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Because you cannot control what a president does or what a premier of another country does. And you're stuck in the crossfire here. Right.
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I was just on Fox Business about this.
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And I said this was what I was worried about. And for our audience, I want to be very clear. This is not a political statement. This is not a Republican statement.
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But what I'm going to say is, is that I personally, I'm speaking personally, not on behalf of the Ramsey Show, but I'm speaking from an economic standpoint. As a conservative, I am not for taxes ever. It's the last resort. Do I think taxes are necessary to fund a government? Yes, of course.
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But what I said in New York on that show, and I'll say it right now, this is why I'm not in favor of a trade war. When you go to war with commerce, Rachel, the very act of war means one side has to lose. And I know we've got very opinionated people saying China's done this for a long time. I'm not disagreeing with any of that. What I'm saying is forget the reason why Trump's doing it.
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I'm not debating it. I'm saying the outcome is pain. And hopefully gets better. You hope that this goes away and that Trump gets to zero, zero. Everybody wants that, by the way. I don't care what side of the aisle you're on. Sure, sure. But I am concerned about the impact on small business. And so what I would say is, I said all that to say this, if you're a small business owner like a David,
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Now is a great reminder that you cannot control geopolitics. What you can control is socking money away and don't get in debt because David is actually able to weather what could be a really ugly storm because of that. That's my whole point. So I hope all of you didn't get your feathers ruffled.
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The point I'm making is you got to be able to withstand economic ups and downs that sometimes are policy driven. So hopefully this all gets settled pretty soon. But make no mistake, folks, the deal with China, it affects more small businesses than any other country. So hopefully it works out. Crossing my fingers.
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I mean, you are really with all these opinions.
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Well, you know, some days we have a fabulous audience. Most days for the show, we have a fabulous audience that comes to the lobby here at Ramsey Solutions, and we can see these fine people looking through the glass. We go out and say hi and all that kind of stuff, and today happens to be a birthday day.
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We've had two birthdays, and so we had young Millie, who's 28, and now we just met the fabulous Carol. who just turned 80 a couple days ago, and she's got the team out there. And notice the glasses. She's got a sash. What do you call that? A sash?
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And she's got these fabulous glasses, James. She's hating this right now, I think. By the way, Carol looked as though she was in shock, James. She's very embarrassed by all the attention. And so one of the party that she's with loaned me their glasses. So I wanted to say a special happy birthday to you, Carol. You look fabulous. You don't look a day over 50.
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And we're very blessed that you're here.
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Actually, I'm going to ask James if I can take the rest of the show off.
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How about that? Very fun stuff. So happy birthday again. So fun. So fun when people spend their special day with us.
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Yeah. But you got to do it. Yeah. And that's what I was going to say. Like, so this is a relationship issue. But in this situation, it's not you coming to the to the table with a hey, let me tell you about these baby steps. Let me tell you about this Ramsey plan. I'd like to get us on a budget like this is the federal government. This is the law. Yeah, there's a wiggle room here.
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So it seems like it needs to be a reality check. This isn't trying to get her on board. Right. This is like, we will go to jail.
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And I don't think I look good in orange, sweetheart. You know, or whatever you got to say here. This comes back to a relationship thing, but I hate to make it so simplistic. I want you to weigh in, but I think it is, hey, this is super serious. This isn't my opinion. We have to do this. Let's make this a lot less difficult by let's get all our stuff together and be on the same page.
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2350 then you got utilities water camera you didn't answer her question we're trying to help you and this is the part where we're now going to try to help you dig out and you can do this but how are you making it month to month do you have any left over at all oh no i'm actually and you're going into credit card debt still
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It's a really tough situation. Thanks for sharing the question with us. Knoxville, Tennessee, the home of Rachel's alma mater. Sam is there. Sam, how can we help?
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That's where I came down? Yeah, that's a different question. So that's where I came down. I agree with everything Rachel said. I'm going to come down on this one and go, I'm the kind of guy, this is the way I'm wired, where... I'm not going to keep dealing with this truck.
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I'm going to go, this thing's a lemon, or it's an issue with the manufacturer, and they just don't do a good job making the parts, and I'm just tired of this mess. For me, because in your situation, I would be in the same boat. Any mechanical work I got to do, I'm not stressed out about it. I got the money set aside, whatever, whatever, whatever. But it's like, it's time. Time is money.
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You remember that old phrase? It's kind of true. Is it 2001, Sam?
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All right, so can we just do real quick, I want to know if we have any equity in any of these vehicles.
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I couldn't spell hybrid in 20,000.
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I'd get rid of it. I'd sell it. I'd sell it. Okay. And that's somebody else's problem. And I'd go get myself a truck that had a much higher rating that I'm not in the shop all the time. And again, it's just the nick, these are like little paper cuts. It feels like what a nuisance, man. I'd be like, why would I buy your warranty? How about you make a better truck?
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That's what I'd have said to the dealer, but I can be sassy that way. But I feel like that's true. I got an idea. Why don't you make a better truck? I don't need all this warranty because all the stuff seems like it's little piddly stuff. So you got the cash. I'd get rid of the nuisance. Let it be somebody else's problem.
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All right, folks, when we talk about money and relationships, it just brings up all kinds of emotions for people because that's where so many relationships can go bad. I mean, we take calls all the time on the show where it poses as a money question, but it's really now become a relationship issue. Money fights are the leading cause of divorce. Kids go into debt for a job. We're isolated.
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Oh, still up right and breathing, so I'm quite happy. Say that again? I'm still up right and breathing, so I'm quite happy. I love you, Bear. I hope that doesn't make you uncomfortable. Is that your given name or a nickname?
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I'm going to pick a name, my anonymous name. That's going to be great. We'll reveal that at the end here. This is going to be great. But Bear, first and foremost, how can we help you?
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
This is The Ramsey Show, where America hangs out to have a conversation about your money, your profession, and your relationships. The phone number is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. My co-host, my dear friend Rachel Cruz, is alongside. She'll lead out on how to save, how to spend that money, and I'm going to help you on how to make more money. It's a great combo. We'd love to hear from you.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
Why would you be in trouble? What could go wrong by taking this new job?
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If, if the job goes wrong, is there, is there in your mind, is there a high percentage chance, medium percentage chance or low percentage chance that the job could go wrong? Um, Probably low. What's the job? Hello? I think the bear has stepped in a trap. That's unfortunate. We're going to put him on hold. Oh, shoot. If we can get bear back, I think he stepped in a phone trap. He's gone.
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He was there, and now he's not. That's really unfortunate. Let's go to Tyler in Des Moines, Iowa. Tyler, how can we help?
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Sorry, what's it worth? I'm so confused right now.
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Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
Yeah. Thank you so much. Do we have time? Do we think we have Bear? We're going to go back to Bear. We'll see if we can do this really quick. Let's see. Where is Bear? There he is. Line four. Bear, we got you back. We only got about a minute. Here's where we left off. What would have to happen for your new job offer to truly go bad?
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What would you have to do or what would have to be a circumstance that would cause that job to just kind of go away?
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
Could you pop back into that work if it didn't work out, this new job? I could. And how much more will a new job pay? I've got just a little bit of time, so I'm asking quick questions. How much more would this new job pay you than you're making now?
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So it's low risk. Do you want to do it or do you not want to do it? What's your heart want to do? Um... Got to give me an answer. I'd like to go for the higher pay, but I would. I'm for it. I think it's low risk. I'd like to see you try it, Bear. We know we can fall back on a very well-paying job with a highly sought-after skill. I like it. No risk there. Little risk. So go for it.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
That's exactly right. All right, real quick, what's your anonymous name? I got mine.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
I thought about animals, Kamado, koala, kangaroo. None of that worked.
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Lillian, huh? That's the anonymous name?
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It's just a little extra there. It's a little something.
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Let's go to Debra in Santa Barbara. Debra, how can we help today?
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Oh, no. You sound like you're in the corner. You remember when we were kids, your parents sent you to the corner? You sound like you might be in the corner, Debra. Let's go. No shame in your game. What's going on? Yeah.
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This is an immediate turnaround, Debra, and it makes the most sense.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
Well, there's nothing to figure out. I mean, I want you to understand that you have one clear option here, and it's the option we just gave you. And this is going to get you out of this desperate situation, this wacky situation, quite frankly. It's not desperate. It's just wacky. And set you up for the future.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
Now, you're right, but you at least got a $200,000 head start and you're going to have to work and you're going to sock away as much money as possible. We'd love to see you get a Smart Investor Pro if you do not have one. And let's map out what we need to do over the next five to seven to eight to maybe 10 years to make sure that you have more margin as you age.
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But at least you got to pay for a home that is also a tremendous asset for you as well.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
That's not your problem. I know that sounds heartless. It shouldn't, but I feel like it does. But that's not your problem. Those are grown men. They need to step up and take care of business.
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Well, but that's the answer to your question.
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But you just answered your own question, by the way, more effectively than I did. Your little speech you just gave is the speech you need to remind yourself when you say, what about my grandkids? I don't want to be this big, mean grandmother that kicks them out on the street. That's not what you're doing, number one. But number two, you need to remind yourself of that speech you just gave.
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This guy's literally the character in Wedding Crashers. Ma, meatloaf! I mean, he yells and you come running, you know? Might as well give him a little silver bell. Yeah.
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I'm telling you, I wish I could have a chat with this guy. I really do. This is embarrassing. He ought to be embarrassed how he's treating his mother. Now, I understand I'm talking about your baby. I get that. But you called and you're looking for advice and your heart is literally getting you in trouble.
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So here's the deal. Is the RV, can you sell more, make more on that than the 26 you owe? No.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
You sell the girlfriend's car, too. Because I don't care how lovely she is. She gets her own car. It's not your problem.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
Tampa, Florida is where we're going to go next. Joshua is there. Joshua, how can we help? Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my call. Sure.
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Antonio starts us off in Jacksonville. Antonio, how can we help today?
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I got you. I got you, man. First of all, thank you, Joshua, for representing that romance. He's not dead. You're a good man. Chivalry is still there. It's a good man, Rachel, that we're talking to. So here's how I do it.
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And I'm sure Rachel's got an opinion because I actually was sitting exactly where I am right now when your hubs, Winston, pulled off an amazing surprise for you in the form of a phone call. You remember that?
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Surprises are great. They're always a great fun. And I'm sure that he has surprised you before. So here's how we do it. So when I know that I'm planning to do that and it's a large expenditure, So I've planned for it, right? And then I will tell her, hey, listen, I'm working on a little something down the line and I'll let you know when I need you to just look the other way.
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And I give her about a 24 to 48 hour notice so that she's not going to go in the account to do any kind of maintenance or whatever. And it's pretty simple. And so then she does the old, oh, you shouldn't do that, that kind of deal. Of course, she loves it. And so when it's a large expenditure, that's how I handle it. If it's smaller, same kind of deal.
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I might just say, hey, I'm pulling it from here or whatever. But you can do that, and it's just communication. What would you add to that?
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Ah, now she has never done it. That's a great point.
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Josh, I'll give you one more. The other thing is you pull the surprise off in a way that you tell her, hey, surprise, we're about ready to go do this. And so she's surprised that you're doing it. In other words, I'm not going to say the brand, but I did that once with Stacey. We went shopping on purpose. She didn't know. And we walked by one of her favorite stores, very expensive bags.
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And I said, hey, let's go in here for a second. And she's like, oh, no, that's right. I said, let's just do it.
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So we go in and I had already planned. And then I said, by the way, pick out pick out something.
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yes and that was so she's part of it there's no moving funds so i think we gave you several options there that uh i that was a new one yeah uh the one where you have the friend by it you gotta have a good friend though but you know but they know you got the cash yeah yeah yeah i swear yeah yeah but then would it still be considered i mean this is i'm still relatively new to having one checking account but would it still be considered
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That's what I'm trying to understand. If it's our money, it doesn't mean that you have to divide it up into, well, this is how much I make so I can only buy you a gift out of what I make.
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It’s Time to Stop Surviving and Start Taking Control
By the way, no wife is going to be upset about that. Do you know what I mean? So you're going to be great.
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I think you need to identify today that the same thing that's not allowing you to go spend some of that cash and live some of your life and enjoy the fruits of being disciplined –
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um is the same thing that's making you question should i add more to my portfolio do exactly what rachel said when you can upgrade in cash right to better investment properties do that but don't have this burning in your soul that i've got to do more to break some generational poverty or whatever you've come from and i sense that that's probably true with you am i right
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Okay. So Rachel's already giving you great advice. I say amen to what Rachel said. I'd add one other little thing. I want you to enjoy some of your money for a bit. Stop thinking about adding your portfolio right now. And why don't we just take a really great vacation?
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Why don't we bless some people in your community with some nice, generous financial gift that's easy for you, but you begin to see the value of what you've done and allow you to soak in that
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I couldn't be more excited that we have a couple on with us.
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So what's the alternative if you don't move out of the brother's house?
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Yeah, it's a disaster. You know you want to get out of there. You know you should get out of there, right? Yeah. Yeah. So is there not a better rent option?
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Okay, I know that area somewhat. Where are you now? What area are you in?
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Yeah, so give us, run the numbers for Rachel here. What do your income is versus what this new rent would be?
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And she's the breadwinner, I hate to say, in this situation. A hundred percent she is. Which I really don't like. A boyfriend needs to get his act together.
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Okay, when you said disclosure, I figured there was something. Yeah, we don't want to dig anymore. Okay, yeah.
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Yeah. And just to follow up, Rose, is it fair to say that when you're going through whatever you're going through now, is it possible that this process leads one or both of you to the point where you guys go, we're not going to stay together or we're not going to get married?
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I didn't understand that. Okay, so at this point, I'm never a fan of anybody shacking up together, but I'm old school. No judgment, by the way, when I say that. No judgment. That's just my personal opinion. I'm not judging anybody. Now, with that said, then he needs to be truly paying 50-50 on the rent, and you – I'm just clarifying something that Rachel said.
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You're not taking any of your income to help out with the niece or anything else, not until you guys are a legal couple. You pay for you. That means you pay your half of the rent. You pay your half of the utilities. You pay your – and then everything else is separate until – We get legally married. I want to make sure you catch that. And that keeps things really nice and clean. Okay.
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Which means he may need to delay college for a little bit.
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Today's question comes from Carissa in Oklahoma. I'm 25. My husband is 37. I have been the main breadwinner since we got married because I wanted my husband to focus on his writing career. I recently had our second child and would like to stay home to raise the babies. The problem is I can't convince my husband that we can make it on one income.
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He has not consistently held a job for the last three years due to company layoffs. I'll address that in a minute. I make about $30,000 a year. My husband, when he's working, by the way, that's in parentheses, makes about $30,000 as well. Our rent is $800 a month, and besides our normal bills, we have a car payment of $300 a month. We also owe $3,700 in medical bills.
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We budget and don't live outside our means. It would probably be a big financial change to only have one income, but I feel like my most important job is to take care of my children. Is my desire to be a stay-at-home mom unrealistic in this economy?
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Yeah. In your husband's reality where he can't seem to hold down a job.
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All right, let me remind you. These are her words. He has not consistently held a job for the last three years due to company layoffs. False. If I had a buzzer sound, I would hit the buzzer. It should be worded, he has not consistently held a job for the last three years due to his lack of effort.
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Now, what I'm not disputing is that the guy's been laid off, maybe multiple times over a three-year period. But when someone is not consistently holding a job down for anything longer than six months, it's an effort issue. And that's going to cause a little stir with some people. Let me explain. In the American economy as of today, one can go work.
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It may not be the career that you got educated in or that you want to be in, but I can promise you that if I'm shown the door later today after the show, which the jury's still out, I'm not going to be without work for three years, no matter what happens. I am going to work somewhere and I will make 20, 22, 25 an hour at a bare minimum.
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Not because I'm great or I'm special or uniquely talented because I have a pulse. Am I making a clear point? And so there's zero reason for him to go 36 months. And I'm putting it that way on purpose, without consistent income. You know, and I have a heart for this. It's what I've been doing the last seven years at Ramsey Solutions on the Ken Coleman Show.
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It's coaching people who aren't where they want to be professionally. But there is no excuse for a man that has a wife and a child to go three years without consistent income. Three years with industry volatility? Sure, that's happened. So I want to make sure that the critics are really hearing what I'm saying.
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I'm not saying he hasn't gone through layoffs in maybe his industry, but you can go do something. And we're talking about $30,000 a year is what she's making. Right, right, right.
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I've got to get my calculator out here. I'll give it to you. But I believe that $20 to $25 an hour range gets you there. It does. It's well over that. Let's just go $20 an hour times 40 hours a week. For those of you, it's $800. It says $3,200 a month. So that does it. Don't tell me that in America today that you can't go get a $20 an hour job. Or a $15 an hour job and then a $16 an hour job.
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My point is I'm going to take care of my wife and I'm going to take care of my baby. That's what I think.
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You know what the bro needs? He needs some grit.
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Good old fashioned grit. Hey, dude, I know it's the landscape. I know it sucks.
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That's what I would get some grit, man. I wish I could. I wish I had a big fake. What do you call those things? I'm blanking out. You give people a shot. What do you call it?
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Thank you. I need a big, giant, fake syringe, James. And it's filled with grit. I'll get right on that. Thank you. And I just bring it out on calls like this. I know this is horrible and they're making fun of me, but it's making the point. And I just hold it up. I go, you need a shot of this, my man. Help this woman out so that she can go home and take care of her babies.
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Because we've talked about this before on this show.
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Being a stay-at-home mom is the highest honor and the greatest job on the planet. Period. That's what I think.
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Right. And by the way, that's not... That's right. Seriously, it is...
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That I knock professional women. No, no. Listen, my wife. You got to hear both sides. My wife, different seasons, was working outside of the home. Yep. One of my dearest friends on the planet, my little sis right here, she does it. I'm not knocking. I'm just saying we got to get to a point where there's no shame for stay-at-home moms.
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That's a great point. I know that you and I could speak to this, but there are many times in our two marriages where each one of our spouses has made sacrifices for us.
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Multiple. We could go down a list. And I think it's really important what you said that, you know, there are times where one of the spouse has got to make some massive sacrifices for the other spouse, knowing that your season is coming. And it's just part of the deal. I believe that both can have what they want. They may not get it at the same time.
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And I want to say this too. We're talking about, in this case, $30,000. We're talking about, I'm giving this guy a hard time with my fake grit syringe and all the stuff I'm saying, but he could get to the point pretty quickly where she could come home.
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They got a car payment. That's a big chunk.
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James has already got one. He's Googled it. It's going to be ordered. It's going to be great. It's going to be a great prop. America's going to love it.
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Let me jump in for a second. So how much are you planning to give each child, the same amount or different amounts?
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So let me ask a question to you. What would keep you from paying the big chunk of it today? What's keeping you guys from doing that?
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Let me tell you why. And I love that answer, and I believe you. I think that's an honest answer. The challenge is the humanness in all of us. And so what happens or what could happen? Let me put it this way. What could happen? Rachel, at any point, tell me if you think this is off.
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Oh, I know. Like I even had to say that. But you got that money in the bank and it sits there. And the whole goal, it's earnest, it's honest, it's well-intentioned. We're going to wait until we get the whole chunk of $39,000 and then we're going to pay it off. It's going to be woohoo and great fun. Okay. But you sit that money in the bank and you keep looking at that.
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You wake up every day and you wake up differently when you get a big chunk of change that goes in the account. You just do. You wake up. I do. Yeah, it feels great. And I go, I wake up and I go, holy God, X amount of dollars in the bank. And what happens is you get real comfortable with that money sitting in that account. And then you don't want to actually have that money leave.
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I remember the first time we got a fully funded emergency fund years and years ago when we first started this process long before I worked for Dave.
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an emergency would come up and i was coming up with ways not to use it to not use it yes totally like we have a three i'm making this up three thousand dollar emergency and i'm selling stuff breaking my back stressing out and see if we go we have the money and i go I know, but I don't want to pull it out of the account.
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And so just being, I think, honest, the human condition is to hold on to that. And then life comes up and an opportunity comes up to do something. You go, ooh, we could pay off the student loan debt, Rachel, or we could go on this trip. And I think that's why we always say, act now. That's right. Get the win today. And I mean today.
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That's why you have me. I'm always your pronunciation guy. Gosh, the phonics. That's why I'm here.
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I love that you're coming with a book recommendation.
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Well, hold on a second. I'm still confused, and we have only about a minute here. Is the amount that was given to you, is how much?
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Okay, where do you keep coming up with this $10,000 number?
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Have you heard of this? I know this book and it's on my list to read.
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Why don't you sit down with your siblings and have an honest conversation and go, guys, I had nothing to do with this, and that's why I wanted to have the conversation. What do you all prefer we do? What do you all think is fair, if that's what you want to do? Now, you've got two directions.
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You can either say, I'm going to honor Dad's will, and I'm going to deal with the fallout, or I don't want to deal with the fallout. I love my siblings. Let's get in a room and solve it.
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And millionaires. Millionaires, too.
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And really, a different form of consolidation, the best consolidation is the baby steps and the snowball. Really, the debt snowball, it's like you're consolidating your money towards that debt. That's where the greatest momentum is. It's not through one of these consolidation programs. It's like, all right, I'm going to consolidate my own payments and really work that debt snowball.
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That is absolutely the number one psychological and financial way to pay off debt, period. It just works.
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So it's just kind of like go ahead and use it. So if that's the case, and you're not necessarily saying they do that here.
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What world is he in right now? You said he's got a full-time job and a part-time job?
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Okay, and is the part-time job just to help pay these bills?
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Valerie and Bill, to my knowledge, you two, you all speak up here. You don't have already a set amount that you were going to give outside of this conversation of give them all 10 grand out of this inheritance. But Bill, if I'm hearing you right, you're going, we don't know what chunk it'll be, but whatever we have left when we die. That's what they get.
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There's not a certain amount of money that you would be in favor of giving them now, this idea that Rachel put out there. Would the two of you go, all right, if we gave them a larger chunk now, would you be okay with that?
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Okay, so was he on board all this time? Like, he's been with you?
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Okay, so if I heard you right. He got up this morning at 3 a.m. today and told you, hey, I'm heading out. And you say, I mean, please don't.
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He doesn't discuss this at all. He just literally says, matter of fact, I'm going across the country to get a Raptor like Dave Ramsey.
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So, okay, you've got to give us a little bit more here. I'm sorry. I'm going to dig a little bit, Rachel.
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okay that's fine all right so this conversation he's been on board and paying off the house and the debt and the baby steps but how long has the i'm going to go into debt for a raptor how long has that conversation been going on and when was the last time it was had before 3 a.m this morning right so maybe for the past two months he's like i'm just going to do it i don't care what it takes um and you say i just
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So while today was the day, he'd been kind of tipping his hand that he was going to go do this, and I'm going to go get a loan. How big is the loan?
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And how much is left on the house again? Five?
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I mean, Rachel and I commiserate with you. We're here to listen, here to encourage you. But I can tell you right now, this is a marriage therapy session or two or three or six.
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Yeah, you know what I think? I think this guy has been on board, and he was like, okay, this all makes a lot of sense. But what also makes sense is after we do all this, we can handle the truck payment, and I'm going to go do it. He's been telegraphing this for months.
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All right. But that's contingent on you guys stewarding it as you would, and it grows over time. So I appreciate the book idea, but I feel like that's only applicable to people who have a large chunk of money now.
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Yeah. I don't think this is a crisis. based on what I'm hearing. But I do think this is a marital... No, listen, I'm trying to validate your feelings. Everything you're feeling, I completely understand. And I completely understand why you're feeling that. I think you should feel that. But I don't think that... And I'm saying this philosophically.
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There's only so much Rachel I can do today other than say, man, we feel you. I don't think that's right. I don't think it's a good marriage move. Should have talked it through.
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should have come up with an alternative plan he knows how much this means to you um but then i will also say the reason that why i believe you guys need to sit with a marriage therapist is because i can also see i don't agree with his action at all but i think i'm seeing a window into this this dude and i think he thinks it's justified and i here's what i would say not knowing him at all and if i met him for the first time i said hey uh
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Jana just called me on the show and she told me what happened. Hey, listen, bro. I don't think you think that's as big a deal as it is. It's a big deal.
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I think so. And I think because he's justified.
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He's crunched numbers. We're paid off the house. We have no debt. Pfft.
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In his mind, and I'm not defending him, but I am trying to make maybe, Jana, you feel a little bit better. I think this is a situation where he is completely unaware of how he is truly making you feel. I think he's clueless. And I'm not insulting him.
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I'm saying we are all that way in relationships at times where we are in a place where we're not healthy enough or we're not attached enough that we don't realize what we're doing.
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So in this case... Uh, you two, you guys are, you're calling us to weigh in the middle of this deal.
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I got to add this. Our friend, mutual friend, Ian Cron, we were together yesterday. He said, when we're upset at somebody over their behavior, we're really irritated. He goes, it reveals in us something where we can grow. And I'm adding that onto what your advice and your insight. I thought that was really good.
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Yes. I'm going to tell you as a father of three, Rachel's a mother of three. My vote is yes. Each one of them gets the same amount. You create a whole, I don't like giving them all different amounts based on their realities.
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Well, I think this comes down to, Rachel, how big of a stressor this is for you guys when you talk about it. Are you both pretty adamant and it gets kind of tense and there's a lot of separation? Or are you guys a couple more conversations from going, okay, I see it your way. What's the real tension level now on this?
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So when you told her your point of view, did she agree with you and go, hmm, that's interesting? Or did she go, eh, it's too old school and I want to help?
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But where are you at on the $10,000 each? Forget the number amount. Is it an equal amount?
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And I'm glad you really segued nicely for me. You didn't even know. I'm going to throw a different angle at you, Diego. Because on one hand, I love the fact that you're going, I don't owe my kids a college education. And I don't think you do. But I'm not going to qualify this. I'm just going to say this, and this comes from experience.
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Diego, just because you worked your way through college and you took all the benefits that you obviously did doesn't mean that your child or children are going to do the same as you. They aren't you, number one. They really aren't. They aren't you. They will have some of your DNA, but they are not you. And they will have different experiences. They will have different environments growing up.
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And I think one of the challenges that we face, and I'm just being really vulnerable here, that I've had to learn as a father of three is that The things that I did, the things that I learned, the way that I handled life is so unique to me. And I know I'm saying something that's completely obvious, but I think we forget this.
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And I would just say that in this case, if you played this out the way that you desire, let's say your wife just went, I love that, Diego. Let's do that. There's a really high, high probability that one or both or all of your kids, however many you have, won't deal with it the way that you dealt with it. And they may go, Dad's out of his mind, the old coot.
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He's a goofball, and I'm going to go get a student loan because I can. And they get it done so effortlessly. And the very thing that you idealized and kind of thought, this is how I see it going, it would even break your heart. And so to that end, I would say if you can – Fund it. You should. As an option in the 529 as we teach, I'll give it back to my partner here.
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It's very, it's flexible as to how you can use those funds for lots of qualifications because the world, here's the other thing.
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The world is changing so quickly right now. What will higher ed look like when these babies are to that age? You and I have zero clue what it's going to look like. So I hope that perspective helps you. I don't think it's as easy as you just going, this is how I want to be because that's how it was for me. And I get that. If anybody gets that, believe me, I actually talk like that sometimes.
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You know me well. I'm trying to be transparent.
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And you're right, other ways to do it.
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Have them try an instrument, a sport, a hobby. Let them fail.
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I'm on Valerie's side. Sorry, Bill. 10 each.
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Looky there. You're live right now. This is exciting.
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I feel like she's talking about me there. So I really appreciate that, Kel. Thank you.
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You know, I'm looking at the screen here in the studio and it just occurs to me, we look like we're very coordinated today. We did not communicate ahead of time, James. This is just, you know,
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I'm a little excited about it, which is why I pointed it out. It's rare that we coordinate outfits. It never happens. So this is fun. But we're here to coordinate efforts on your behalf. How about that?
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Yeah, I'm sensing, Kel, that you gave us a real window into what's really going on here. And I think you need to be okay with how well you've done. I think Rachel nailed that. And there's the same thing that you identified at the start of the call. where you have some financial insecurity and you've saved all this money up and you're just afraid to spend it.
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That's also driving this question, which is I feel like I need more and more and more and I'm willing to be risky and go into debt to fill this hole in your soul. And the hole in your soul here is whatever you've come from that you've conquered, by the way. But you still have that fear. And by the way, we all have those. So you're not abnormal. Rachel's right. You've crushed it.
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I want to add in here really quick. I'm listening to you, Derek. We know from research that whatever we focus on, in other words, we allow a thought to stay in our head and we fixate on that thought, then what happens is our brain goes and takes pictures of it everywhere.
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So in other words, if somebody starts their day off feeling like a victim, then the rest of the day, their brain is going to go look for evidence of this thought. Now, this is like basic neuroscience, all right? Now, here's what's happening. All throughout the conversation with you, Dave, I heard Derek, I heard you say, I heard shame. I did dumb in the past. I did stupid in the past.
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And Dave would tell you, do this. Lay it out. Set a budget. Be intentional. And you kept coming back to. And I just want to encourage you. I think you're so ashamed and so embarrassed, and I'm going to say a little bit of fear that you're going to do something dumb again. And it's because you're so focused on what you've done in the past instead of going, all right, Dave told me what to do.
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Have a written plan, and we're going to decide. We're not going to let the wife and me get excited and talk about a lavish barn. No, we're going to say we'd like to have a barn. Here's what good, better, and best would look like. So I just want you to start focusing on that you aren't going to do something stupid in the future with money. If you're intentional.
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I think that's got to be the new thought in your mind. I can be intentional with money. Therefore, I can win with money. And I think that'll change his perspective.
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Wow. Are you both for separate accounts or just him? You separated your money. Is that something you both have been for this whole time or just him? Because that's another issue here.
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Yeah, you guys have separate accounts. You said his consumer debts. Dave said you need to do it together. I'm curious. Are you both on that same page that you've always had separate accounts and you were fine with it, or is it him or you? Who's driving the separation of the accounts?
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So I think we're moving forward.
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Dave, you've done a lot of financial counseling crisis with couples. I'm going to bring this up for your take, but it feels like hearing what Kate just said, that this might be the last piece of the healing. Yeah. That she goes, okay, you've done your work, you've cleaned up, and now I'm going to trust you.
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And boy, that forgiveness in the form of trust feels like the last piece of healing and hopefully restoration for them.
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Yeah, it's absolute restoration is what I'm hearing here.
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So why the ambitious? Maybe explain that to us. What's the reason for going and getting this particular route?
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That's great, but here's my question. Let me jump in, because you asked us for our thoughts on how to do this, and so my question is, why are we doing this? I mean, I understand you initially wanted to be a doctor, but now it sounds like you've fallen in love with the legal side of things. Where do you want to be 10, 15, 20 years from now? MD. MD.
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Yeah, and I was expecting some unicorn description here, and you don't have that. So where do you want to be 10 years, 15 years from now? Doing what? Law or medicine?
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No. No. Any doctor would tell you that. It's not going to make you a better lawyer.
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Oh, my gosh. That's a lot of time and money to be very practical.
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Yeah. Dave's right. Samantha, you need to figure out the mountain. Let's figure out the mountain and then the best way to climb said mountain. Let's give her – Let's give her my book, Find the Work You're Wired to Do. It comes with the Get Clear Assessment. This is going to give you tremendous clarity.
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When you get the results of this assessment in less than about 18 minutes, Samantha, it's going to make it really, really clear to you which choice to make. And I think you've got to listen to your heart here, not your brain. Try to do it all. Do the thing that lights you up.
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Go get something. Go get something is the answer to your question. You need to be stacking cash if you're in a seasonal business. But I would also say, Dave is on to something. I would see what you can do outside. What did you say the outside work is real quick? Run through that real fast.
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I thought I heard gravel driveways. You know what I think, though? I think you'd be surprised how you getting into interior flooring could be – there's some transfer of some of that skill when you're talking about gravel driveways and leveling, stuff like that. I'd look into stuff like that, too, which is an extension of what Dave was saying. You're doing interior flooring.
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That's going on 12 months a year. And I think there's some transferable skills. So if I was you, I would be taking a list of paper today and I'd go, what are my actual specific describable skills based on that work I've been doing so far? And with a little bit of training, a little bit of observation, I can transfer that skill. That's where the biggest bang for your buck is going to be.
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And you're actually doing what Dave told you to do, which is now diversifying your company.
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I just think if you can do gravel driveway, you can do interior concrete.
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Yeah, that's what I heard. I heard the mindset of, oh, well, and I'm just going to close my mind off to all this other stuff over here and only focus on a little bit. And what's happening here is I'm not knocking him at all, but there is this defeatist attitude. I'm stuck and I can't get out. That's right. And you're not stuck.
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Which is why, by the way, he's staying in the Uber car a little bit too long. I'm not against Uber. Let me say this. And I've talked to so many people. I feel like this is becoming more and more of a thing because it's an easy thing as far as stepping from being laid off or fired into something. And I'm all for that. However, if you're not careful, you get in that car.
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And you're picking people up and you're staying busy and you kind of go, well, this is the best I can do right now. And you've got to treat those temporary jobs as just that temporary. You are getting after it to try to replace that income, not settling for a 50 percent cut and just reasoning it away. And that's the reality. I don't mean to be unkind. It's not a mean spirit I'm saying that.
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It's just I know how the brain works, Dave, and activity starts to replace intentionality. And there's a big difference between activity and intentionality. In other words, someone tells me, well, Ken, I submitted 200 resumes today. That's a bunch of activity, but that's not intentionality. You didn't go see somebody. You didn't go have coffee with somebody.
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And so that's what we've got to be careful of is not replace intentionality with activity.
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That's a great point, you know, because it's kind of nice rolling around in your car, your car, listening to your podcast, picking people up. That's nice.
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Activity and intentionality, there's a difference.
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Yeah, I was going to say. The tool belt's got plenty of tools.
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Okay. You're a high school graduate?
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I'm going to jump in quick because there's some money stuff that Dave's going to get to, but I want to tell you one of the strategies here you've got to be thinking about quickly is raising your income. How do you take the skill set that you have? You're at a big-time healthcare company, so you're in the building. How can you move up within the building?
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What skill sets can you add without going to college? What other types of work can you do to where we can get that income up by a minimum of, I want to say, 25% to 50% as you use your goal? You need more income. You just don't have much to work with. You're making $15 an hour.
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Yeah, I smell it from over here Yeah You don't need this guy to win you don't need him and He's become this weird support system for you that he's abused and manipulated So you've got to make a clean break. I'm with Dave. Clean break.
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Yeah. You know, thoughts are very powerful, and our brain goes and finds evidence to give truth to these thoughts. So changing your mind is a huge part of changing your life. You hate to see this out of destruction. Her parents and that poor girl, she's got to believe that she's worth it.
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Today's question comes from Daniel in Oklahoma. My church is very big on encouraging its members regarding tithing. Our church leadership recently said, do not focus on investment for retirement, but focus on investment given to church and the Word of God. Retirement investment can go up and down, but investment in your church and God's Word will always prosper.
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Should we stop investing in order to fund our local church? Well, if, all caps, if... A leader of the church said this to an individual, to you, or corporately from the platform. If they said this, this is not biblical, Dave. And so the answer would be a resounding all caps no from us.
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Yeah, this is borderline apostasy.
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That's right. It's evil. It's evil.
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Now you've gone and stepped in it.
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Yeah, J.D., I'm just listening to this entire exchange with Dave, and I think you've got to separate hoping and praying for this marriage from protecting yourself. Protecting yourself doesn't mean that you can't hope and pray. So it's like do the counseling, hope, pray, do everything you can that it does work out. But at the same time, you must protect yourself and stand up for yourself.
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In the midst of this, she's just rolling all over you. And it feels like in some cases I heard you almost making excuses for her. And I think you've got to stop that. Hoping for the best, but also have some sense and protect yourself. So there's got to be a mental approach to this.
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Yes. Oh, it's music to my ears. I love hearing no taxes. Uncle Sam doesn't get his bite of my cookie jar. And that irritates you. I love that you laid that out for me because I didn't know that either. But that's why they're forcing that is so that they can get taxes. Yeah, they want their money. They want our money. Pay me now. Pay me later. Pay me often.
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He, uh, his wife had 300,000 and he had about one 20 or yeah, about a hundred thousand.
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alongside the emotional. And boy, my heart breaks for you, JD.
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But you need a mental strategy while you're dealing with this emotional mess. And that's what Dave's telling you.
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You're going to make $15,000 a year gross on renting this house. Yes or no? Gross. Okay, sure. All right, yeah. Now, I know you're talking about putting money in it to renovate it just to rent it. It's just burning cash.
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I would sell it, pay off the debt that you have left, and take, like Jade said, take the rest of it and put it to the down payment with the million dollars and buy a sweet house and a sweet neighborhood cash because you're not making much money. Even if you pay it off, Jade gave you a second scenario. You pay off the 182, now you're in it. You're still only clearing about 25 to 30 grand a year.
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And I'm being generous because that's gross. That's not including reno costs, maintenance. Dude, it is not all it's cracked up to be.
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Okay. Well, we'll get to the cash. I want Jade to weigh in on that and help you out. But let's just talk about this reality that you're facing. You're saying, I can't get hired. Are you not getting interviews or are you getting interviews and you're not winning the interview? What's going on?
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His wife wants it. That's the challenge.
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He doesn't feel right. This is a therapy session. I mean it.
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They are both on different ends of the spectrum. And boy, oh boy, I've been married long enough to know how that turns out. This is The Ramsey Show.
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The Ramsey Show continues. I'm Ken Coleman, Jade Warshaw with you as well, 888-825-5225. Let's go to Erin in Augusta, Georgia. Erin, how can we help?
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And so your husband is going outside of medical and groceries and just keeping this child alive. Anything outside of the basics has to come out of the $300 a month from your ex.
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Is this a weekly or monthly, or is this just in some of the bigger things like you described, like summer camp?
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I'm curious. How old was she when you guys got married? Six. Was he this way from day one? Yes. Okay. That's what I'm digging into.
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Okay. And so what I was, here's, let me tell you why I asked that question. I'm trying to figure out if this is because she's a brat and he resents her because she's also not his biological daughter. These are all reasonable things that a human being could be struggling with. And I say that, by the way, Erin, not from judgment, but a sense of understanding. Yeah.
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But the fact that you said he was this way day one tells me this is more his scarcity mindset about money. Rachel Cruz wrote a book, Know Yourself, Know Your Money, a few years ago, and it was a genius book, in my opinion. And I think he's got from his childhood his. So I would say there's two E's. It's our experience and our environment.
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So his environment growing up shapes his view of money, and then his experience with money up to this point shapes his view of money. So since he was that way day one, sure, he could have still had some resentment, but it would have been very small. just in her position, is not his biological daughter. I think it's more that he's a scarcity mindset guy with money. He's scared to death.
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It's hoard, hoard. The resource is not a hoarder.
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Okay, so I think he also resents your ex and how he spends so lavishly on her. And I do too. You do too. So you know what he's doing? He's correcting. He's course correcting whether he realizes it or not.
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Well, no, again, here, I'm looking for specifics. When you say you can't get interviews, um, And that's across the board?
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Yeah, this is a, I think this is a therapy session or a four. I think so, too. Because I think you need a... Here's what I believe. I really believe that you two need to get with a marriage therapist. And it's a safe place. What's great is you guys are not in crisis. You told us you guys get along on everything else. So this should not be too painful.
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But it might be difficult to get to a middle ground. And I think you need a – I mean, appreciate you calling us. We're not marriage therapists. But I think getting an objective, licensed marriage therapist who can get you two in the room together and we find middle ground on this. Because hearing what I hear, Jade, I'm in the middle. I think he's probably way too tight.
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But I think you also need to come his way Not in giving in to his demands, but understanding maybe where he's coming from. I think this is solved with a lot of understanding.
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By the way, Jade, that's where the budget comes in.
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What's your process? What is your process for getting these interviews? What are you doing?
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Don't get me started. We played with a stick and a box.
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Well, but again, to Jade's point, I think Jade's locked in on something here, Erin. I'm changing my opinion a little bit. I thought the man giving you $500 for a summer, that's plenty of money to spend on her, if that's what I'm hearing. Uh-huh. Okay. And I think you have to adjust your life and her lifestyle. Mm-hmm. Like, great, you work.
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So come up with a better plan than she's just at her dad's all the time getting spoiled. So make a fix to that. But throwing more money at it doesn't solve all these issues. It just doesn't. You could send her to camp all the time. You've still got to come back to, I think, therapy and a budget. And I think this guy is probably a little bit more reasonable than he sounds.
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But he needs a good reason why. Yeah, yeah.
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I think therapy will change this in such a positive way. I'm hopeful. I really believe this. If you guys submit to this process and go in and go, okay, we're going to allow ourselves to be open to this process and meet in the middle, I think you guys can solve this.
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It's complex given the relationship with the divorce and the dad and all this stuff. That's tough. But you guys can figure it out. This is The Ramsey Show. I hate to admit this, but I don't always eat right. I know, I need to eat more fruits and veggies, but sometimes I just have to pound some chips because they taste so good. That's why I love my Field of Greens.
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Okay, so based on what you did in the past in the healthcare industry, what did you do, by the way? Oh, I was in finance. Okay, so on the number side. Okay, so based on that, that skill set is still there. It's not like you forgot how to crunch numbers and be detailed and all the things and be analytical, all the things that it takes to win.
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I've heard that before. Toilet paper was the one that I heard.
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How much money did you have to front?
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Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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So you've had a few interviews, but based on all of that, that's what people are telling you in the healthcare space that your resume is up to speed and ready to go?
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All right, two things. One, I want to make sure, Christian, let's get her my Ken Coleman resume templates. They're very, very different, and they're designed to actually call attention to what I teach in my best-selling book, The Proximity Principle. So you've gotten a few interviews, but you have tried to get far more. So your percentage right now is, based on what I'm hearing, it's pretty low.
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So how do we increase the percentage of actual interviews? The way we do that is through relationships. It's not going online. And I'm not criticizing you. I'm encouraging you. You are essentially playing the job lottery when you go through what is now heavy AI format when you go onto a website.
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To give you an idea, there are tens and tens and tens of thousands of people that apply at Ramsey Solutions every year. They're coming through our website. But I'm going to tell you how you get hired here is how you get hired everywhere else.
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Again, massive, massive construction sign going, watch out, watch out, cliff ahead. Nicole, are you feeling that too?
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If I could play older brother, or I might be old enough to be your dad for all I know, I would just tell you that this is a serious, serious conversation. He needs to make some changes in his life if he wants to be in your life. That would be my bumper sticker.
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Oh, it makes sense. I love this. I love you're bringing the heat today.
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You make a connection. That's right. And so I'm going to give you my book, The Proximity Principle, to encourage you. But more importantly than reading the book, what's really important is that you begin to say, okay, as I'm moving forward today, as I'm talking to Ken and Jay today,
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By the way, he's doing, by playing video games and buying fast food, he is essentially the same as a golden retriever there as well, just costing you money.
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All the things. He's also a pretty decent gamer, sounds like. You see where I'm going, Nicole?
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I got a chuckle out of you. I mean, listen, you can love someone... And decide to also say they're not the person that they need to be right now for me to decide to marry them.
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I think this is a very real conversation. Back in my day, we used DTR, define the relationship. Kids don't know what that means, I'm sure.
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I'm sure I dated myself again on that. But I think that's what's got to happen.
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All right. So give her the, you're the strong female. I think she's a strong female. Give her 30 seconds on how she starts that conversation with our guy.
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I think it's going to get his attention. Well done. Poor guy. But he's going to have to stand up at some point. He is. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Going forward, when I see a job that I'm interested in, I'm not going to fill out the online resume submission thing. What I'm going to do is I'm going to look at that job at company XYZ, and I'm going to go, okay. Do I know anybody that works at company XYZ? If the answer is yes, we reach out to them and say, hey, do you know somebody over in this department? Because this is where I'm looking.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show alongside Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. Glad to have you with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Hey, folks, as the Ramsey work guy here, helping you win at work so you can make more money, really excited to tell you I've been dreaming up a concept for a long time. Jade, you know this. It's called Front Row Seat.
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where we're having deep dive conversations with movers and shakers, thought leaders, people that are successful from every walk of life, designed to do three things. To get better as a person so that I take a better version of me to work, so I can move up the ladder professionally. And then as I move up the ladder, I'm going to be put in a leadership position. How do I lead?
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And so helping you grow in your professional development is called Front Row Seat. And it is now out on YouTube, wherever you get podcasts. So check it out, Front Row Seat. It's a lot of fun. Here's what's unique about it. We have a live audience, and the audience sits with me and the guest, and they get a chance to ask questions as well. So it's not just me. So cool. asking questions.
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I wanted the audience to be able to learn as I'm learning, engage with me, with our guest, and they also represent the larger audience. So download Front Row Seat, or not download, subscribe, wherever you get your podcasts, and on YouTube, just search Front Row Seat with Ken Coleman. All right, let's go to Orlando, Florida, where Mo joins us. What's up, Mo? Hey, how are you guys doing today?
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And we walk through that. And the goal here is to get them to personally walk into Jade's office and go, Jade, I know you're hiring for this position. I want to tell you about my friend Christy. I've known Christy for this long. This is her story, her background. I've got a physical copy of her resume in this nice little manila file folder, if anybody uses those anymore.
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Believe me, I'm going to tell him on the next break because he loves hearing it.
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I've never heard of a parent investing in a 529 and then saying, hey, kiddo, pay me half of it back.
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Or they put the resume in front of Jade and say, Jade, I'm not going to bug you. I'm not going to harass you. I'm not going to bend your arm. But I think you should seriously consider my friend Christy. Now, this is not a guarantee that Jade, who's helping me role play in this situation, is going to go, done, she's hired. Thank you, Ken.
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Yeah, I was going to ask, do you feel stress, Mo, when you start thinking through this?
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But you don't have any negative emotion about the lack of margin because of how much you're paying in mortgage?
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I've been waiting for you to walk in and tell me who I should hire. That's not going to happen. But Christy, you get how that does move you out of the pile, yes? Yes. The digital pile. Now, if you don't know anybody at Company XYZ, you've got to ask, do I know somebody who knows somebody? And now we're playing this old game of seven degrees from Kevin Bacon.
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Yeah, I agree. Thanks for the call, Mo. Please reconsider. Don't move. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. Phone number to jump in is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Ray is joining us now in Dallas. Ray, how can we help today?
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But I'm telling you, as old-fashioned and as simple as that sounds, that is the way to get noticed. And it's going to take some time, and you're going to have to keep turning over rocks. Turning over rocks, turning over rocks, and eventually you're going to get into the right situation where the door opens for you.
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jade warshaw i'm ken coleman just happy to sit next to her that's how it goes folks just that's it i'm easy just happy to be here sunday morning i enjoy being with you friend we always have a good time so jade will coach you up on what to do with your money i'm going to coach you up on how to make more money how about that pretty simple let's go to the atl atlanta georgia christy's there christy how can we help
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That's right. However, you decided that $250,000 at this point in time does feel right.
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Now, I want to transition to Jade here because she's got some money she doesn't know what to do with, and I wanted you to help her out with that while she's in this season of part-time pay.
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How, how long would the, the two 50 be paid out? Is it in perpetuity? Uh,
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So let me ask you this then, Ray. So they get the $250 each year. By the way, these are the grandkids we're talking about? Once they get to 25. Okay. So at what point would they get the rest of their inheritance? Is there like a kick in at like a retirement age where they get it all?
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Because you were saying they're going to be building tremendous wealth, and it's like the 250 is a nice dividend, for lack of a better way of describing it. Is that right?
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So when would they get the big chunk? Okay.
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Okay, so it's $250 each year, and it's not like they get it all at one lump sum. That's all they get, and that's very generous, by the way, each year.
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You know what I'm thinking, Ray? I'll get out of your way, Jay, but I was just thinking, I really trust your gut. I think you are a man of wisdom, and you have proven it with how you've lived your life and as to where you stand today. So I'm not going to second guess your plan. However, if I personalize it,
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And if I was doing this for my grandkids, which I don't have, but if I'm sitting there thinking this, I'm wondering if even the most mature of 25-year-olds, it's not that they can't handle it, but how would it change their perspective if they knew they were going to be making a quarter million dollars every year whether they do anything at all? And I almost...
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I almost would want to maybe put it to them in different ways. So, for instance, they get a really big lump sum to buy a house, but it can only be used to buy a house cash. You can put that in the trust, right? So that's one thing I'd think about. I'd be thinking about it can only go to an investment. It's going to be put in an investment thing, at which point you can only pull out at retirement.
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That could be another way of doing it, right? But I'm not second-guessing your plan. Jade?
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I would love to be Ray one day to be able to bless my kids and my grandkids that way. That's really awesome.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside Jay Borshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. So glad you are with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Let's go to Devante in San Antonio. Devante, how can we help?
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So true. I love that. Hey, Devontae, man, listen, I love your spirit. I love that you've got a clear goal ahead of you. And right now, you're working as hard as you can work. You are stacking jobs. You're just not able to be turned down if you're out trying to sell a house or sign up somebody who's looking for a house.
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You just have got to turn this into big-time intensity, and that's the best thing you can do when you've got this sense of, oh, I've got to provide, and I get that, and I can hear it all over you. And no judging yourself, just moving forward, just turn that angst into effort.
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And I think if you do that, you will be surprised at how quickly opportunities come to you to make more money so that you can move forward. So, I mean, that's the play. Owen is up next in Nashville. Owen, how can we help?
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So a small SUV to midsize SUV.
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Completely, yes. Okay. What about 15 grand? How's that number hit you?
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No, no, no. I'm saying 15 to 20. If you can do 15, you can do 20 and not feel indigestion, right?
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Almost. Well, but we're in the wrong narrative.
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Oh, and I just bought my son two years ago a Ford Explorer that had 98,000 miles on it. We got it for 13 grand. It's an older model, but it's in phenomenal shape. And it's got, like I said, just at right now, he's only got 101,000 miles on it. So this idea that you can't get something that's decent mileage in the 15 to 20 range is not true.
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And I would, by the way, be getting solid hourly work. If that's what you got to do to make up the difference here. But hang on the line. Christian, let's get her a copy of The Proximity Principle. Let me tell you something. The right people will get you in the right place.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show alongside Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. We're so excited that you're with us. Well, it's that time of year. I can't believe how fast the calendar is coming at me. And before you know it, you're going to have to pay those taxes. And you need to make sure that you've got a pro.
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who knows how to navigate maybe some of the complexities, or just making sure that you are not paying too much. All of those things that are associated with taxes, you just don't want to try to do it yourself unless you really know what you're doing. That's why we want you to think about a tax pro.
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Go to ramseysolutions.com slash tax pro to find CPAs and enrolled agents who have been vetted by our Ramsey team. and I was just emailing back and forth with my local tax pro, and I always tell him, I gave you some love today on the show because I sleep better because I know he's taking care of business.
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You know what I mean? I do not want to get on the wrong side of the IRS.
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So do I. I'm not going to get distracted. Sometimes I hear the word taxes and I go into a rant. We're going to go to Kevin instead. Kevin is in Charlotte, North Carolina. Kevin, how can we help today?
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If you're in Charlotte, I know.
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Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, you're going so fast. We've got a couple questions for you. I'm sorry. No, no, you're doing great. How old is your child?
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Okay, so you've got 11-year-old. And then what is creating this windfall? What's the one million coming from?
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Okay. So this is, so this is considered income. This is not an inheritance. That's why I asked that. I was curious.
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Yeah, but let me tell you why I don't think it makes sense and why I agree with Jay.
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Well, his wife, he wants to stay. So Kevin wants to stay where he is. The wife wants the nice upgrade of the neighborhood. That's true. Listen. That's true. That's true. I know. So let me throw this out as to why I like Jade's idea, and I want to give you real numbers, Kevin. Okay.
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So here's the deal, all right? I've heard everything I need to hear, Jade.
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Kevin, you don't need to be a landlord, and I just don't think it makes any sense. Here's why, okay? You only are talking about right now, if you owe $1,700 a month, you're paying for it on mortgage. You said it was about $2,700 that you would get in rent. That's $1,000 a month. On the low end.
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All right. So wait a second. This is a reasonable goal. This seems very impossible to you, doesn't it, Aaron? The way you're presenting, this feels like a mountain you can't climb. True or false?
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Yeah, but you had it. You saved it. My question is, what must happen between the two of you to make the additional $50,000 above and beyond your current income? That, to me, is very doable. the two of you have to come up with $50,000. And you've got about two years to do it or a year or so to do it. Is that right? Yes. Did I get my math right?
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Is it a year or two years from now you've got to have the $50,000?
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Yeah. So you guys can make, between the two of you, an additional $50,000 by selling something, picking up some odd jobs, a side job. Am I right or am I wrong? Is this possible, Aaron?
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Well, that's exactly what you said. You guys were cash flowing, so it's possible. It was a yes or no question. You sounded like a politician on a Sunday morning show, which I appreciate. So I'll ask again, with both of you being committed to not going into debt, which is how you've lived your life to this point, could you guys come up with the $50,000 when it's needed? Yes or no?
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But you should run for Congress. You should run for Congress. That is a fantastic avoidance of two direct questions. George, I see the balance of my time to the gentleman from Massachusetts.
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They can shlup breadsticks together at Olive Garden. Hey. Then they're together. And you're eating for free. You're eating for free. And who doesn't like the endless salad over there?
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Well, that's why I said the salad. You don't want the endless breadsticks or else, you know, you can't fit in the plane. That's a problem. But we digress. Hey, it's doable. A theme already in today's show, George. What's that? People don't feel like they can. We're going to maybe have to address some feelings a little bit later. All right, we'll be right back. Don't move. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. I'm joined in studio by my colleague, George Camel, and we're thrilled to be here for you. 888-825-5225. You got a money question? You got a paycheck question? I want more in my paycheck, Ken. I'm your guy, so we want you to make more money and keep more money. To that end, George, tell people the best way to make the most of their money.
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It sounds like it's a behavior issue. So give us an idea of this. You called it food and spending. I know George wants to know this. I want to know, what do you include in food and spending? And then give us an idea of the consistencies of what you're spending too much money on in that line item of food and spending.
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By the way, there's all kinds of gold in the show notes. If we mention something and you think, oh, I didn't get that, just get to the show notes and everything is linked there for you fine folks. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Erin is going to start us in this segment with, she's in Denver, Denver, Colorado. Erin, how can we help?
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Do you have this agreement in writing where it's super clear that you are indeed supposed to be at a 0% situation right now?
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Yeah. I mean, have you talked to somebody up the ladder there?
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I have their ID numbers. What do they say to you when you tell them what you just told us?
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Are they going to do the same kind of garbage to you on the $60,000?
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George, I disagree with you on this one. Not about paying it off, but I would fight this. The reason these people do this is because enough people put up with it. And Aaron, I'm not in any way casting judgment on you. I'm saying every time you get somebody on the phone, I would take their name down and Yes.
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And I would tell them I'm recording the conversation. And then the next time I talk to somebody and say, listen, this is what's happened. I've documented all this, how many times this has happened. I've been lied to. And I am going to hold you personally accountable. Do you want to be held accountable for this? Because I'm recording this.
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I would get very, very serious about this because they play this game to wear people like you out. And I wouldn't quit fighting because, George, here's the deal. If she does that, she's going to keep getting ripped off. She should not be paying one cent of interest via the agreement. And I wouldn't just throw it away. These people need to be dealt with. And the CEO of this, she needs to go public.
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You know what I would do? I would go to, is this a Canadian company? I'm sorry, Denver. You're in Denver. I'm sorry.
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Go to the local media. They love this stuff. Local media. I'd call every one of them in their hotline. I'd go, I'm getting ripped off, and I represent. I would make a stink out of this. They do not want bad publicity.
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You got to fight these people, George.
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I agree with that. But you can take it up several notches.
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I'd like to speak to the CEO. That's what I'd like. It kind of reminds me of that scene from Christmas Vacation where Cousin Eddie goes and gets the CEO in his pajamas. Oh, yeah. Puts a bow around him, brings him to the living room to answer for the jelly of the month club.
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Aaron can't do that. I know. But this is wrong. It's like trying to talk to the Wizard of Oz. I'm sorry, Aaron. I wouldn't quit fighting. I don't think we should let big companies steal from we the people. And they're stealing from you. This is wrong. Oh, my gosh. All right. The American way. We've got to fight, Ken. Going to get a quick little, what's the pill I like to chew when I get into this?
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A Tums. I'm going to take a Tums. An antacid for Ken. On behalf of you, the people, I'll calm myself. We'll be ready to answer more questions coming up. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Well, Lucas, this is a heavy question. And just reading it feels heavy to me, and I'm not walking this out. So I certainly feel bad for you in that this is a tough decision, but I think it's a clear decision. And clear decisions aren't always easy. And this is a clear decision that's really tough.
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And what I mean by that is, is I think it's very obvious that you should go back to your former employer. You enjoyed the job. They've given you a great offer. Your words, not mine. And you only left them to help dad out. You've helped dad out tremendously. But it's not your responsibility to run dad's company. It's not your responsibility to grow dad's company.
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And you're going to have to do what is best for you. If you do not, you will resent your dad, even though he's done nothing wrong in this situation. So I think you ask the question, how do I leave my dad? I think you leave him with respect. I think you leave him with clarity. And I think you leave him with confidence.
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If you can achieve those three things, then what will be a tough decision will be less tough. In other words, I'm going to leave with respect and honor. I'm going to treat him very, very well. I am going to be super clear with him as to why and when and how. Uh, and I think again, that will then allow you to be confident that you are in fact doing the right thing, George.
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So that's, uh, I don't know what you want to add to that, but please do. That's a tough situation.
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My dad realizing we shouldn't try to keep this afloat.
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Lucas, thank you for the question. We really believe in you, and you've got to do what's best for you on that, and that ends up being best for everybody is what I have found. All right, Ontario, Canada is where we go next, and Emily is there. Emily, how can we help?
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Yeah. What's your total debt you're trying to pay off?
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So one year? Oh, I see where you're going, George. Emily, do you see what we're coming up with here on this plan? If you can knock the 18 out in one year, and we believe you can, love that that's your resolution, now all of a sudden, let's say it takes a year for them to start garnishing, what's that car payment that you're paying right now every month?
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Right. But my point is what I'm, I'm trying to make the case. I love what you're doing and what George said, because by the time they start to garnish, you're going to still be afraid of a payment. You freed up a huge amount of money to where you're not even going to feel the garnish. So we love that plan. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for the call. Really fun. Let's see.
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Simon in Boston, Massachusetts is next. Simon, how can we help?
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All right, Uncle George. I love this. This is right up your alley.
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But he's on the way, Ken. This is amazing. Way to go, Simon. Simon says, how do I stack some cash? I didn't think of the Simon Says reference. I was there for you. Good hour. Don't move. More Ramsey Show coming up.
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show, where we help you win in your life. We're going to help you win with your money, win in your work, and win with your relationships. Alongside George Campbell, I'm Ken Coleman. The phone number to jump in, 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Happy New Year to everybody. We're only going to say that, George and I.
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Because you don't want to cook. And here's the deal. Nobody's telling you you've got to be the greatest cook in the world and all this, but you're a single mom, so we've got to take care of you and the toddler. And this is going to come down to, I think it's two things, George. One, I'm seeing there's an emotion that you're not handling very well, and you're medicating the emotion with stuff.
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or two more days one day only and then you're gonna have to get over we won't be on the show tomorrow so we'll see what happens tomorrow so this is kind of your day to say happy new year and get a response because next week when we're on if we're on together not happening you're not hearing it not hearing it we're done with it maybe happy tuesday that's it i'll do that i like that better all right let's get it started let's go to phoenix arizona where kelly is waiting kelly happy new year how can we help happy new year guys thank you for taking my call you bet what's happening um
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How much debt do you guys have separately? I have about $15,000, and he has about $50,000. Oof. And I'm assuming he's in agreement with this reverse vasectomy? Yes. Oh, boy. I've got to tell you, that's a good dude. How old is he? How old is this guy?
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That was my next question. So now I see why you're trying to do this quickly. Yes. Well, not the procedure. We want this doctor to be steady and slow on that one. Right, right, right. Take your time. On behalf of every dude who's listening and watching this call right now, the next question is who's paying for it? Yeah. Well, they are.
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Okay, so because this is a financial question, and I know George is more than ready to answer this, but I feel like we've got to have a real conversation for a second. there's no guarantee that it's going to work. And I'm sure you guys know the medical percentages of it happening, but there's no guarantee.
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There's also no guarantee that even if the procedure goes fantastic, that you guys are going to be able to conceive in the timeline that you would like. You acknowledge this, yes or no?
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And so I don't wish that on anybody. I mean, I, I want everything to work in the timeline, but you know, it has to be discussed when we start talking about a $10,000 bill and you know, we don't want you to go into debt. So George, I, I bring this up to say, I think I want to make the best financial move period for this couple because
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Not the best way to figure out how to pay for this procedure, which may or may not yield what they want it to. Yeah, I mean, there's risk there. For sure. Does that change? I guess my point is, I'm asking you a question on behalf of Kelly. Does that change your advice? I may have a different take than you.
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And then there's the emotion of guilt or exhaustion or something along the cooking to where you go, I don't want to do it. I despise it so much that I'm going to willingly blow money just to make life a little easier. And by the way, certainly can understand that emotion. That's the emotion of convenience. It's hard. You're a single mom.
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Well, but then does that change her timeline, Kelly? We have a two-part question there. What's your answer?
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Yeah, what's the calendar on this? Courthouse, and then he's in the doctor's office the next week? Like no honeymoon straight to the emergency. It feels like what I'm hearing. Am I right, Kelly, or tell me if I'm wrong.
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And then when is he going under the knife again?
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All right, so we're on the same page. No reason for debt.
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I am in agreement with that, George. I was going to go... I mean, it's not that I disagree with you and Dave on the family first, but it's like... can we wait a little bit? Can we get married? You know what I mean? Before we start putting this pressure on ourselves to get pregnant.
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Yeah, max. Something like that. A, it's all cash, Kelly, of course. You guys don't need to go into debt for this. But to George's point, you could pause the baby steps in his plan, but I don't think we need to do that. Either you guys can knock the debt out and cash flow this procedure.
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And what we want for you, Kelly, is debt-free and baby on the way. That's what we want, and I think that's what you want. Is he on board for all this?
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Listen, all you had to say was he's 42, and he's going to go get a reverse vasectomy, and this is a good man. This is a good man. Might be slightly crazy, but he's a good man. I need a Tums after that one, Ken. No, it's the wrong pill. Oh, sorry. Baby Samantha. And an ice pack. This is the Ranger Show.
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I mean, you've got a lot going on, and it's a lot easier to just drop by, pick up some barbecue on the way home, and not have to prepare it. It's already ready to go. So, George, I just see there's two – I think this is an emotion issue. She needs some guardrails, like you're trying to tell her, but dare I say – Get to the root of it. Get to the root of this and really lock in on –
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. Alongside George Campbell, I'm Ken Coleman. So excited that you're with us. 888-825-5225 is the number to call in. You got a question about saving some money, getting out of debt. How about making more money in that paycheck? Well, you got the guys today to help you out with that. Thrilled to take your call. 888-825-5225. All right, George.
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Do you have a bit of a real estate prediction today? As we start the new year, what do you think about the housing market? What do you think? Do you pay attention to it at all? Yeah, it's been a bit of a roller coaster.
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Really? Okay. All right. I'm reading some stuff where some people think it's going to be a good year. I think it'll be good. It's going to take longer than we would like it to. Okay. All right. Well, that's why we created Ramsey's Real Estate Home Base. That's right. It's called Ramsey's Real Estate Home Base.
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This is the place with all the tools and resources you need, whether you're buying or selling, George. and half the battle is confidence if you're buying or selling so that you're making good decisions.
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You're going to find things like calculators, start to finish guides, how-to articles, a podcast, a book, even a video course, all with practical, easy-to-follow steps so that you can navigate through buying or selling. If you're ready to take the next steps toward your home goals with
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peace of mind go to ramseysolutions.com slash real estate super easy to remember ramseysolutions.com slash real estate or click the link in our show notes if you're listening on youtube or via your favorite podcast and again all the stuff we tell you about if you go i didn't hear what he said show notes My two favorite words, George. It's where you get everything that we talk about.
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You don't have to stress. All right, let's get back to the phones. Raleigh, North Carolina is where Ryan sits and waits for us. Ryan, how can we help?
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We're doing well. What's going on?
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Congratulations, man. That is big time.
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the son's twinkling of the eyes and you feel guilty maybe because of the relationship status and his father's, I don't know what it is. And I'm not trying to read your mind, but the best advice I could give is I don't think this is a money problem. I think this is an emotion problem and you're medicating.
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And does she have any kind of income outside of, give us the whole income situation. That would be if she's taking social security or not, any other kind of pensions and then a job, what, what's her income look like?
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You know, I think this is, you called us, if it were me, I'd have a sit down with mom and I'd do exactly what George just said. I would say it to her and you've got to be very respectful and say, mom, I realize because I love you so much, because of all you've done for me, I've been enabling you. and I can't do this and I'm afraid I'm going to resent you.
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And you are in a situation where financially you will become a massive burden for me. And that's not how I want you to end. And I don't want the next season of our life to be this. I think this is a real honest, but very respectful conversation to say, I don't think you want to be this to us.
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And I don't want this because I, I want the time that we have left with you to be about relationship and honor and not resentment and burden. And I think that's the conversation you've got to have. She may not respond well, may not like it, but you've got to do this for you. Because I'll tell you the person we haven't discussed on this call that I'm thinking about the most, and that's your wife.
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This thing gets really sour pretty quick between the two of you because you, by enabling your mom, put your wife in a really, really tough situation. That she didn't ask for. And I'm telling you as a guy who's been married a long time, I'm telling you, you're not thinking about that.
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So I'm trying to be kind of that older bro right now and say, this thing is not only could create a wedge of resentment between you and your mom, even worse. a wedge of resentment between you and your wife. And I hope this is a wake-up call for you. Have a respectful but very clear conversation, George, to where mom knows now there's a new reality and she's got to do something about it.
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Have you talked to your wife about this? What does she think?
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George, in 30 seconds, what would you say to him about the fact that mom's only got $4,000, she needs to get a job, what is she doing on that retirement play? Let's say she's healthy. What would your advice be?
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Another follow-up question. What do you think about long-term care, given that she's healthy now? Well, she can't afford it. It's the problem. Well, but if she works, she can. Yes? No? Maybe.
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Is that something that he may look at?
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Wow. All right. I don't know if it's in the cards. All right, got to run. Quick break. Be right back with more of your calls. This is the Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. Happy New Year, America. So excited you're with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. You've got a question about your budget. You've got a question about your debt. Not enough check left over at the end of the month. Boy, oh boy, do you have the two guys you need today.
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George is going to help you manage the money, and I'm going to help you make more money. That's our goal. So give us a shout. 888-825-5225. Zach starts us off right now in Salt Lake City. Zach, how can we help?
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Because I think the traditional response, the human response to a job offer with more money is to go, oh, I feel like I got to take it because I'm an idiot. I'm a moron. I mean, crazy not to take a big bump like that. And I think you're probably feeling some of that. And that's very natural. But for you to say, well, I'm not sure we want to make that move. I think that's mature.
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I only have one other question on this one that I think would make it fairly obvious to me. If you were to take the new job. And let's put the extra bump in salary aside. Would that put you on the ladder that you eventually want to be at the top of? In other words, does it fast forward your ultimate professional goals?
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Well, then I would consider that more than I would, man, we really like our current house. Now, that's me. And I think, George, you can make the case. And I'm bringing you in. You could make the case. And I said it was mature to go, I'm not sure we want to leave this community. I'm not sure we want to leave this house. I think that's also, George, equally something to consider.
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Just the kin answer, I would always lean towards, I want to move up the ladder if I've got a good opportunity and I've got to give something up. You know, John Maxwell, my former boss, legendary leadership guru, said, you've got to give up to go up. And so the question is, Zach, what are you willing to give up to go up?
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The Ken answer, and I'm going to cede to you, George, my answer is I'm going to give up the comfortable home, the zip code, the friends and family.
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888-825-5225. All right, George, you ready to get it started? I hope so. I'm a little foggy. You're a little foggy? Callers are lined up, and we're going to Australia for the first call of the show today. How fun is this? Charlene joins us. Charlene, how can we help today?
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There we go. But you got George here. George is Mr. Budget Guy. All right. So, by the way, how does this not make sense to make more money? We're talking about a $20,000 bump in your main salary. You still got the opportunity to make extra money on the side as well, like you are now, correct?
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Yeah, and I appreciate that, George. You're absolutely right. But Charlene, I have to challenge you. You just told us and a lot of people listening and watching that you don't know how to stop. And I think therein lies the problem. You do know how to stop. How do you stop not buying takeout? You tell me. What's the answer?
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Just go to Indiana or Kentucky and do a weekend visit. Yes. And go look at housing. Spend a couple hours tonight on one of those real estate sites. I love these things. You can type in literally the area, a zip code, and it'll show everything about these apps.
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That's not what I always say. I was trying not to endorse anybody. No, I appreciate that. I've got my personal favorite. You saw me pull the plane up a little bit there. Starts with an R. Yeah. I like it. It's good information, though. My point is, in the comfort of your home tonight, by the fire, you guys could start looking at real houses and real prices in these areas where you could go work.
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This is the thing. You're scared to death of the unknown, and the answer to that is, go get some answers. Are they covering any relocation expenses?
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Just sell it. No, you don't want to be a long-distance landlord. That's our position across the board.
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Where did scared Zach about the new house payment go? Now he's a real estate guru. Yeah, now you're a real estate baron. What's going on? You're all over the place.
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Trust me, we're having a good time.
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Yeah, I got to tell you, George and I are in full agreement. The two judges here on the panel, move or not move, move or stay, we say move. This is a no-brainer. I think this is what your heart wants. Am I right?
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Bro, this is a no-brainer. The studio audience is just waiting for you to make this decision. They're going to be throwing rocks at the glass here in a second. They're going to throw rocks at the glass if you keep asking questions about this. This is a no-brainer. You know what? You've done a very good job of thinking through everything, but you're overthinking now. You know? Okay.
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Is she near you right now? Are you guys in the same house or building, or are you separate?
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I think I get to be wit. Knit and wit. I like that. That's good. All right, quick break. We'll be right back with more of your calls. This is The Ramsey Show.
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We start meal planning and we grocery and we budget. The old quote from Mama Camel, we have food at home. We have food at home. I mean, this idea that I don't know how to stop. Charlene, you're a really nice person, so I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but that is you are acting like a victim. Like, oh, there's some mysterious thing about me. There's something wrong with me.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show, where we help you win with your money, win in your work, and win with your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Alongside George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. Excited to have you with us. Dan starts us off in Tampa, Florida. Dan, how can we help?
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Good afternoon, sir. How can we help?
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I'm single as a Pringle. Wow. You're really looking ahead. Hold on a second. Did you say single as a Pringle, as in like a chip? I did. I've got to tell you, I've never heard that one before. It's very exciting. I apologize. My ADHD was flaring. Go ahead, George. It doesn't take much to excite Ken these days. Well, I like it. I've never heard that before. That's a good line. But it makes sense.
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I'm getting it. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So you're saving this money for a future lady in your life. It doesn't even exist.
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Are there other things that you should be saving for?
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It had a sense that it just didn't add up. What do you have? What is sort of? What does that mean?
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How big of a car do you need to get gum off the road?
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And you need something that big to haul around the gum getter upper equipment? No, not necessarily. I could downsize. You see where we're going here? All right, George, walking through getting rid of this monster. He doesn't need this giant $50,000 truck for a side business that scoops gum up.
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There's something in the universe. And you're not saying this, but I want you to sound out. You hear how silly that sounds when I say that?
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When I'm hiring gum guy, I'm not going, he better show up with a nice dually on that thing. I'm hiring the one guy on the planet who's going to get the gum off the street. They don't care what your truck looks like. In fact, they kind of expect you to drive.
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In fact, if I'm hiring a guy today to come get gum off the street, I kind of want to see the guy that's got a car with two-tone paint on it, the bumper's beat up. I go, now that's a guy who can get the gum up.
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Would you consider, Dan, getting this gum off the public streets? It's a dirty job. Have you heard of this concept? My friend Mike Rose got a very popular show called Dirty Jobs.
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But would you consider what you do a pretty dirty job? It's not a fun job. You can be, yeah. All right. My point is you don't need a fancy truck. We're trying to drive this home. So get rid of that. What's the truck payment on that?
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You're not a silly person, are you, Shirley? No. Stop acting silly. Stop today. It's a daily choice. That's how you build discipline. Let's help her out. What can we get to her? She's in Australia.
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There's your ring cost when we get the lovely lady interested.
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Yeah, I agree. Because you're making enough money to where you can cash flow a nice ring. That's what we're getting at.
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Drop the truck. You don't need a fancy schmancy truck. All right? Get rid of the truck. Keep scooping the gum. Retained earnings. More profits. Start listening to the Entree Leadership Podcast. All right? He's got himself in a sticky situation, Ken.
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I'm supposed to do the dad jokes, but you're dad now, so welcome. Thank you. By the way, the Ramsey Network app is the only place to get the full episode of The Ramsey Show. So, for instance, this is our second hour. If you want to get the third hour, the only place you can get it is the Ramsey Network app.
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You can download it for free using the link in the show notes or by searching the Ramsey Network in your app store. Now, if you're on radio, stay tuned. We've still got a lot of show coming to you. And to that end, how about a question from the Ramsey Network app? What do you say, George?
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This is from Scott. He asks, My wife had significant student loan debt with multiple loans. We paid off most of them. The last one is a mortgage against her parents' house. It's about $29,000. They want to move soon, and we need the loan in our name. Do we take out a personal loan, refinance our house, get a HELOC, or something different? What say you, George? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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Because her last student loan is a mortgage against the parent's house.
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And it looks like they've paid off a good amount. We don't know the amount of money they've paid off, so it looks like they've got the discipline to do this, and that gets them free and clear of the parents, which is, again... Always messy. You're always preaching about this kind of stuff where family members come to the table. They want to help. So they go, hey, well, you can do this.
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Put it on our blah, blah, blah. And then you get in a situation like this. This one doesn't seem like it's sticky. I hate what the gum pun is still going. But nonetheless. As soon as they want to move, now you're in a pickle. That's right. That's right. So this is why we preach. Just stay out of that stuff altogether.
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This is all my brain wants to think about. But instead, we have to work. We have to be professionals. I'm trying to think right now, like this whole situation, like where this young man got the truck, right? And he's in the gum business. I need to Google this business. Yeah, yeah. Scooping up the gum off. And I'll bet you he's getting paid by municipalities.
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It sounds like these are public roads, things like that. So I was going to come back to this. I wanted to get to the network app question. But coming back to the situation. This is a really good potential business for this guy because if he does a really good job, then you start getting- He's the go-to gum guy.
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All over the state or wherever, and it's pretty easy money because not everybody's lining up to do that, but he doesn't need the fancy truck. Is it relegated to just gum? That's the question. Is it any sticky substance on the road? I got to believe if you can get gum up, you can get gunk up. Maybe it's gum and gunk. I don't know. But he doesn't need... I'm trying to come up with an analogy.
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You don't want it to blow up in your face. Have you seen that business, College Hunks Hauling Junk?
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And with that, I... We did gum and gunk, and then you had to bring in College Hunks. Nobody knows why. It's a business. Everyone knows the business. You know this business? There's one lady in the lobby who's apparently paying attention to the College Hunks. Nobody else in the lobby even knows what we're talking about. I'll fill Ken in on this break. All right.
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We'll look it up only on your computer, though. All right. Good hour, George. Thank you, sir. This is The Ramsey Show.
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You're not a silly person. You told us all. No games. We believe you. So stop acting silly. All right. Serious business coming up next. We'll cover your calls, and George and I will discuss when do you stop saying Happy New Year. America and the world needs to settle this, and we will next.
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Helping you win in your life. This is the Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman alongside George Camel. And we are here for you. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Well, we're rested and relaxed. We've had a little bit of downtime. And back live today here on the Ramsey Show. By the way, a beautiful, and I do mean beautiful, studio audience today.
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Folks from all around the country joining us live here in our Ramsey Solutions World Headquarters. So fun to see them. And a reminder, you can always come join us. We have free coffee, free baked goods, and all kinds of things. And love coming out and saying hi to the folks during commercial breaks. Happy New Year to you, George. And Happy New Year to our growing audience.
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And this begs the question, because I think of these things, and I could certainly be called neurotic, but I think this is a conversation that serious people want to have. And, you know, we're always helping people get free of debt, free of toxic relationships, free of meaningless work, right? Okay. I think people want to be free of saying Happy New Year. Are we done with it as a society?
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Well, so today's my first day back in the office. And so I see people. I've already had a couple meetings this morning. And the obligatory Happy New Year. Happy New Year. And so I ask the question for myself, but for you today, and the American people and people watching from around the world, at what point should we stop saying or should we feel free? to stop saying it.
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And I think that the end of this week, the very first week of January, I think you should be free of never having to say it again. So we're in the first week right now. When does a week end in your mind? Well, the first work week, because you're back in the professional rhythm.
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You don't have to. And you shouldn't have to. Now the question then becomes, what happens if you show up on Monday and you haven't seen some of your team, which is going to be the case, and they say Happy New Year to you? Do you reciprocate?
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Very nuanced. Very nuanced, George. I just think the world we'd all be better off if we all said, week one, happy new year. After week one, can we move on?
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All right, before we get to the phones, one other quick thing here. because I take issue with what you said. I would like to come in Monday, and I told our super producer David this in a meeting, and he agrees, and he's one of the nicer people on the planet. So I tend to feel confident about this position. If someone says Happy New Year to me come Monday, I'm going to pass.
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I'm just going to go, hey! How you doing? Hey. I couldn't stomach the social awkwardness. Well, I think if you let it sit and don't respond at all, it's weird. But just try it. Say Happy New Year to me like it's Monday. Hey, Happy New Year, Ken. Hey, man. What's going on? How was the holiday?
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So I wanted to model this for everybody. Now you're trying to get me to go into the past. No, I'm not. Instead of moving to the future. I'm having what would be normal conversation. I don't have to respond in kind. You don't care about what happened over the holidays. I'm going to suggest that you don't care about how happy my new year is. I would agree with that.
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That's how we exist in a society, Ken. There it is. I hope we've set some of you free. If you see me in public. Don't say it. On Monday and you say happy new year to me, understand I'm changing the lane. I'm changing directions. I'm not going to say it. And I feel very good about it. I hope you get trolled come Monday with so many happy new years. Well, here's what's great about the trolling.
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For all you people who disagree with me and you're taking shots at me in the YouTube comments, I'll never know because I don't look at them. I will send them to you. I will mail them to your home address. George, on the other hand, is in the comments. I sleep peacefully at night.
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And I won't look at them. If I see a shot of text come through, George, I'm going to ignore it.
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All right, here we go. Fort Myers, Florida. Aaron is on the line. Aaron, how can we help?
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You get today and tomorrow's show. Don't make me hang up this phone. I'm not going to. I said I'm going to be a man of my word. Happy New Year, Aaron. And everybody can tell I can mean that. All right, Aaron. What's the call?
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Okay. What'd you spend on the four-wheeler?
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I'm curious to know if there was any pressure that you felt at any time or your wife felt at any time to, A, borrow $80,000 from them to then get a pre-mod trailer and put it on their property. Was there pressure there, or was it just they threw it out? You guys love the idea.
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Yeah, Dave, he's been sufficiently burned. I'll offer some salve. I got permission. No, you're right. No, you couldn't be more right. I just can't add anything to it other than to say this. Walk away from this to realize it could have been way worse. and this thing can get nastier if you don't fix it now. And I could not say that enough.
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You can dig out of this, but I would start digging quickly and make all these changes. And you'll look back on this and go, I'm glad I did it.
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Well, Dave, this makes me think of the classic line in the wedding vows, leave and cleave. There is a psychological reason for doing that. There's wisdom in that phrase. Not living on their land.
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Today's question comes from Brianna in Washington, D.C. Can you explain how President Trump's new executive order on tariffs will affect me at a personal level? Well, my answer will be based on if the tariffs stand. Right now, there's been an extension.
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If you're paying attention to the news, President Trump mentioned the tariffs would take place, Canada, Mexico specifically, and then they responded, their governments responded, and so now there is a, we'll call it a waiting period to see how this plays out. But if the tariffs were to go into place... And I'm just going to be honest.
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So if this offends you folks, honesty is what I'm going to go with. Tariffs will affect us. There's no question. Even President Trump has said, and I quote, that prices will go up. There's no question that that's how tariffs work. Even though a tariff is placed on a foreign country, that is on the goods and stuff that they would, of course, export to American companies.
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And so American companies will have to pay the tariff. The idea is to drive American goods, which I'm all for, but there's no question that tariffs are passed on from American companies to American consumers. So it's a long-held economic strategy. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We'll see how this plays out. It's too soon to tell because, again, we've got a bit of a moratorium.
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But if they go into place on certain goods and services, you will see an increase in cost. The question is, how much of an increase in costs. And that comes down to the American company that is, again, getting goods from Mexico or Canada. So that's how that works. And I've never seen companies not pass on increased costs to customers across the board.
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Which is why the president came out and said.
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That's right. Here's the flip side of this, because I was on Fox Business talking about it. They asked me what I thought about this. If the president also extends his tax cuts, which will expire later this year. That would help the American consumer in lowering your cost. Of course, you keep more of your paycheck.
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The second thing the president, I think, will do, and we're going to see this soon, is he's going to cut regulation on American businesses. And if you were to lower taxes on American businesses, that also offsets tariffs. So it is, for people who are just hearing the media talk tariffs...
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You've got to look at the whole picture and go, okay, if he does what you're talking about, and he's now going after two countries that we do a lot of trading with, he's going, it's got to be fair. You've heard him use these words. His words, not mine. But if he also lowers taxes on American businesses and lowers regulation...
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then you might see very little, and that would be my hope, and I fully expect him to do that. I see nothing out of his administration that wouldn't do that. In that case, you're not going to feel tariffs in and of themselves by themselves. I think that's what's going to happen.
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Nobody wants to get in a trade war, including President Trump.
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He hasn't changed at all. Now, let's bring this back to everybody else, not just Brianna who asked this question. It's a good question, by the way. I can tell you this. If you're debt-free, And you're working your way through the baby steps. Doesn't matter. Even though it's never fun to have your cost of your household goods or the things that you do go up, you can weather that storm.
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And people who stand on that debt-free stage over there, they're never stressed about inflation. And so it's really important.
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I think it's going to shake out. I think you're going to see the tax cuts extended, Dave. I think you're going to see deregulation and tax cuts for businesses.
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I was waiting on Dave on that one. That's why I got out in front. What's the context, Jim?
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Uh-oh. Yeah, I mean. Why a year from now? Hold on. Let's play out your thing. You told Day, well, we're going to a year from now. So what's going to change between now and then for you to marry her instead of now a year from now? What changes?
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I'm going to take another tack here real quick. I think that you need to tell her it's a really bad idea, and you've seen the light, and you guys need to figure out if you really do want to spend the rest of your life together, not play house. I would actually go, and she stays back home. You guys figure out if you can do a long-distance relationship before you do this nonsense.
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If I was this girl's father, I'd be in your grill, man. That may not be popular, but I really don't care. I think this is crazy. I'd want you to prove to me, as this girl's father, that you're willing to be mature and put you two in front of your desire. I think that's what I would do and see if she's willing to do it. See if you're willing to do the long distance relationship.
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And while I'm ranting, when it's time, if you guys prove that you can do this, she can come visit for a little bit and get a job. I'm pretty sure they have plenty of hairdressers that need somebody to cut hair in Cleveland. So this is not this all-in scenario, Dave.
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Yeah, really, really great. You know, we did not talk politics. We talked leadership, something that she knows a lot about, having faced one of the biggest racial crises of our modern era. If you remember the tragic shooting in South Carolina, we talked about building a team. You know, she's been very successful in many walks of life. So the idea behind the show is very simple.
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We want to have the audience feel as though. And you have a live audience. Live audience. And so they represent the greater audience. When you see people sitting around or you hear them ask a question, if you're listening via podcast, they really symbolize you, the audience. And so we're very excited to bring this format, something I've always wanted to do.
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And it takes the level of, I feel like I'm just an observer, and it makes it feel like you're engaged. The team has done a great job. It's beautiful. If you want to watch it on YouTube, it's just a fabulous studio, very warm and inviting. And then, of course, the audio product on your favorite podcast app.
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It is a show that you're going to be challenged every time you're going to learn something and we're going to challenge you to do something.
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Yeah, I would say it's a conversation. It's not even so much just the back and forth question, but a conversation with me and the guests for probably six, You're right, 80% of it, and then the audience themselves at any time can interrupt and raise their hand and ask a question. We want that studio audience to feel free. If you've heard something, you can jump right in and ask.
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And so once we get that finished product out, it's just a beautiful mix, and people are really enjoying it.
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New episode comes out every Tuesday morning on YouTube and your favorite podcast app.
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I'll give you an idea. Coming up this Tuesday, Will Gadara, who's a good friend of yours, become a friend of mine. We're talking about the number one restaurateur in the world. That is an unbelievably difficult honor to achieve, and he's probably now one of the foremost experts on how to just treat people well with his runaway bestseller, Unreasonable Hospitality.
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So that deep dive is great for leaders.
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Yeah, the thing that I would add, Allison, is you mentioned you're going to have to let her hit rock bottom, and unfortunately you're going to have to do this. This is where role reversal takes place. You become the parent, she's the child, and it's very, very difficult.
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Well, if you could just snap your fingers and give her a job today, 40 hours a week, and everything was just hunky-dory, what would she do? What would you recommend that she would do just to bring in steady income?
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But short of, Dave, the children being able to pay for a private investigator, the only way – I hate to be so negative, but I've read into some of these things because we've taken this call several times over the last six months, as I recall – And I did some research. Very, very hard to recover this. These people, this may not even be a real dude. This could be a woman in some foreign country.
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Right. who's mature and she is. I don't know that because I didn't click on it. Probably $20, $25. And that's what the math has got to be. So I did that search because while Dave was talking, if this were my mom and that's what you called and asked us, then I would be going, Mom, let's run the numbers. And you get into one of those stores, you're probably going to get some health care options.
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If not, it's still a math game and more money coming in. But she needs income. And I think a healthy 71 with a smile and great work ethic I think there'd be plenty of big box stores that would love to take care of her.
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Great point on any health care facilities in the area.
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They are very creative, and they cover their tracks. And you almost have to have a private investigator who's got some experience in this stuff, number one, and who you can afford, number two, who can hopefully entrap them and catch them. That's the only way. Many times the law enforcement, Dave, just doesn't step up here because there's so many of these cases. So I hate to be so—
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I'm impressed by, I mean, this is, you know, about 60,000 a year, roughly. Yeah. You really went after it pretty hard. How did that change your lifestyle? And did you have second thoughts about it? And if so, how did you stay the course?
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You know what I love about this, Dave? You've taught for years at Entree Leadership, you know, your number one bestselling book about goal setting and realistic goals, achievable goals. And I love that's what you've got with these weekly and these monthly. Real curious, give us a real examples. I think people out there that are listening, watching could get something from that.
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Give us an example of that yearly goal and then break it down on what you did on a weekly and a monthly.
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And don't do this again. Yeah, I listen to this, and we hear this a lot. I understand the wife wanting to come home and be with the children. I concur. Do it. But they should have made the choice on the house back then. Should put a house for sale on the yard the day you do it. I agree. You've got to adjust your lifestyle when you adjust your life.
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In other words, they didn't adjust their lifestyle.
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Yeah, I was going to say very quickly that the timing for this is right because our audience is exploding in the podcast and YouTube space, and more and more we're seeing Gen Z call this show. So if you're in Gen Z... or you're a millennial, and you've just had an idea at some point in your life, I think this is a must-buy.
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You may not be ready to launch the business, but to understand what it takes to go from a card table, as Dave has said now just a moment ago, to a massive company with over 1,000 employees, hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, it is a proven system. And I love the stages. They're very easy to understand. but will help you see what it's going to take.
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And Dave, we're seeing data now that Gen Z is the most entrepreneurial generation that we've ever had in history because they're seeing that their entryway into working for themselves is easier than ever. They see it obviously through video, through digital tools, and thus it's created this great desire to work for yourself. So this book, I think, is a must-gift.
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If you've got that young entrepreneur in your life, parents or grandparents, or if you are somebody who thinks you might want to work for yourself one day, I think this is a must read so that you can see what the climb is going to have to look like. That's why I like this book. I think the timing of this, this thing's going to go absolutely bananas because of the day and age in which we live.
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And why would you want to do that?
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Yeah, well, the answer to that is not what you're concerned about. The answer is pay cash. If you don't go into debt, then there's no regret because then you could. Let's just fast forward. Let's say that you pay cash. You cash flow your way through this. And on this income, you should be able to do that. And then you get the nurse practitioner degree. You have kiddos.
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You want to come home for a season. Then they get to school and you go, I want to go back. Uh, that entire transition is very likely, but there's no regret attached to that. And that extra income is going to be worth the ROI and that's going to be worth it. So the answer is don't go into debt, cashflow your way through it. And with your income, you should be able to save up and do that.
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Oh, well then what's the regret. Let's say you spend that cash. I mean, is the regret that I spent the cash and now I'm never going back into it. And so now I've just, Oh, I burnt that money. Is that what you're saying?
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No, I'd have babies. I would too. I was getting ready to say, I think that's the priority. Babies are better than school. And the school will always be there. Right. You see, and you already got the cash set aside.
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I'm going to say the same thing because I'm thinking if Stacey and I are having that conversation, I would ask you if I was sitting with you and your husband, I'd go, both of you vote, write it down, secret ballot or tell me straightforward, which is the higher priority. And if you both say kids, then I think it's a no brainer.
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School will always be there. Yep. And I'm not trying to, but I'm just going to speak some truth over you. You have no idea when these babies are coming. So you don't have any control over that. Now, I certainly hope it happens in a timeframe that you'd love, but we don't know. Spoken like a guy who adopted two and then had one. Right. And our journey was a long time.
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I don't wish that on anybody as far as a long period of trying to have babies, but I am saying you don't have any idea what that's going to look like. So you can't hedge your bets on, well, if I go to school, then we have the baby. You just don't know. So I would move forward with the bigger life decision, the bigger desire, the bigger priority. That's what we do.
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Then we manage the rest of the decisions against that.
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No question. And hear from us. You've got plenty of money.
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Yeah, I love it. And I love hearing the excitement. I love hearing. She's winning. They just paid off their debt. Now you got a young couple. The American dream is alive and well is what I take from that call. Absolutely. Despite what you may be reading or hearing somewhere else.
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Today's question comes from Kate in Maryland. My daughter is a junior in high school and has no idea what she wants to do when she graduates. My husband and I love the idea of her owning her own business, but neither my husband nor I have experience in this. We both wish we had made different career decisions that would have given us more independence.
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Where can we research with her to get a better understanding and vision for this option, or would you still recommend college versus real-world experience? Okay, I'm going to put myself into this particular situation, say if this was my daughter, what would I do? And so because she's a junior, we would begin to identify areas of interest, not come up with a business idea.
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I think this could be very paralyzing for a youngster. It's paralyzing for a lot of people in their 30s and 40s. Because we know, Dave, from the data that 70% of Americans want to be self-employed, but only 6% are. So I'm speaking from data here. So what I would do with my daughter is we would begin to identify areas of interest. In other words...
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people that she wants to help, solutions she gets excited about, problems she wants to solve. And there's an industry. If there's a business, there's an industry. And so we want to get broad so that she gets some real interest and begins to see some areas of interest. At that point, we're going to shadow.
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I'm going to allow her to go have coffee, lunch with people that are in those industries or maybe run businesses in those industries, shadow at work if she can get shadow opportunities, all of this to begin to create a field of three or four of her most interesting options at that point. Then we start to have the discussion, is college, is a degree the best decision?
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Or is it getting right into the workforce and working in an industry? I'll give you an example to help clarify this some more. If this were a young man, and by the way, it's not limited to young men, but let's say she decides she wants to own a business in the trades. At that point, then I want her shadowing folks that are working in those trades and getting a real-world perspective.
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The good, the bad, the ugly, the smelly, everything. And at that point, we determine whether or not she's really interested. And then the path is going to be to go to work and hustle and learn on the job. And eventually, you'll work your way into spinning off on your own and starting your own business. So that's a hard question to answer in such a short amount of time without back and forth.
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But that would be the advice that I would give because that's what I would do. These young people need to see it. touch it, experience it, smell it. Yes.
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Yeah, and to that point, the entrepreneurs that win are driven by deep, deep desire to solve a problem, and they come up with a solution. That's the business. It's a solution, and they're deeply passionate about it. That's what keeps them going because you almost need that magnetic pull or else you're going to quit.
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That is a great actual example of do I want to run a business that serves food or do I just want to cook food? Two very different paths. By the way, both honorable. But there is a big distinction between the two, and that's the key.
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And don't forget, they may not enjoy it. They may enjoy the service. They may hate it. They enjoy the service of the customer. They don't enjoy the service of leading a team of people. Again, two very different job descriptions.
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It would be great for them.
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Because we've actually got that, and that's a young person can take that and get a pretty good idea of what a current snapshot of what a professional job description of purpose would look like for them. And that can be a business.
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And that he worked really hard to get there. I loved how he kind of paused after you said, great job. And he went, it was a big accomplishment. And what's fun to hear about that is this is a guy who now understands the pain that they went through to get to baby step four. And now you get to the momentum stage where we're like, now we're getting wealthy and building wealth.
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Oh, I will ask a question because we got a lot of new people all the time. And I'd love I know the answer, but I'd love you to address it because we tell people in baby step for 15 percent. So the 15 percent explain that because he's got six percent he's putting in his company's matching. Uh, cause I think a lot of people have questions about that.
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Yeah, that's interesting, Dave. It's like run the business is one thing. She just wants to help with the finances. No, he doesn't want her involved at all.
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It gets down to ethics and character.
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Leon, I have two quick questions. Is there anything you haven't told us that we should know?
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You move forward mentally, move forward, you know, looking through everything financially involved with the move. And then you make the move. But your soul has kind of left your body already around this job. You feel like you've hit a lid. And the answer to your first question is, no, you didn't paint yourself in a corner unless you're not telling us something.
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You know, painting yourself in a corner is you have no options. You can't get out. That's the very idea there with that. So the question is, go back to 10 years ago. Where did you see yourself going up the ladder? What did it look like? Was it in this particular field or is it a different field, different industry?
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But what did you think you wanted to be doing? Where would you like to be today? Let's answer that question. If you could snap your fingers, no risk, what would you like to be doing right now?
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No, that's down the road. You went a little too far. You already answered the question, and then you edited it. I heard it. So what's the spot on the ladder you'd like today had the 10 years gone the way you wanted it to? What would you be doing?
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All right. So you get to management by virtue. In other words, you do good work and you're in a company that has a growth environment, meaning they do this. You've not grown for 10 years. One of the things I would challenge you as your coach – if we're sitting in a one-on-one session, is do you have good evidence as to why you haven't moved at all in 10 years?
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I'm not saying it's your fault, but I'm also not necessarily blaming the company. I just don't know enough to just make them the bad guys. But you need to know, homework assignment number one is, do I have some real clarity from my current leaders and through my records over the 10 years as to why maybe I haven't moved up the ladder. Let's make sure we're not walking around with a blind spot.
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Second thing is, okay, what positions are available to me in different companies, same industry, where I know for a fact I've done my homework and they have a culture of growth. Like Ramsey Solutions moves people up. You do a good job here. And you stay with it, you're going to get an opportunity for growth here. And so you're going to be looking for that.
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So you know the industry, Zach. You know the industry and you know the position. Go get it. Don't overthink this. But before you move, we're going to have something that we're going to move into. We're not going to jump and start looking. It's just never a good idea unless for some reason you've got all kinds of wealth.
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It might be. That's my next question. Have you ever sat with a leader in your 10 years and said, hey, I want to grow? What are some opportunities for me?
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Yeah, I think Dave's right. I think one more time I'd sit with him and go, hey, I've been here 10 years, and this is the kind of gig that I'd love to have. You've given me these opportunities. Shoot me straight. Let me know where I stand. I can handle it. We've been together a long time. Tell me, what are my options here to grow?
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And be okay with whatever the answer is, and that'll give you some clarity moving forward. But you're probably looking somewhere else is my guess. This is The Ramsey Show.
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And then my second question is, how much cash do you have total?
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Yes. Scary word to a lot of people now.
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That's what I was wondering. In this current situation, I would say no. I just, I wouldn't do it personally. I'd want to have the house cleared.
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I know, I know, but I don't know. I can't believe I'm actually... Saying you're a little bit more conservative than you, because I love cars, but when you walk through that, I personally put myself in the, what would I do if I were him, and I don't think I'd spring for that car at that price right now. That's fair. But you laid it out. He can do it.
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Yeah, I was going to say, Nicholas, the one thing you're going to need to fight is that you've been in college presumably for four years and you got a dorm room or an apartment in the cool part of town and life's been a big, big blast. And you've done well and you got a good job. Now it's the time to start being patient. And I think the roommate living further out.
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learning how to manage your money, you're going to be so far ahead if you just can be patient and not try to keep a portion of that college lifestyle going. This is the real world now, and that means not getting an apartment in an expensive place, getting one, two, maybe three roommates for a year, whatever that is.
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So that's my encouragement to you is now things are changing, and the mindset has to change with it. Or else you're going to feel like, oh, I should have this, and I've been doing this. Well, you can't afford to do that. It's a very different world now.
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So you're just wanting to save the three this year to keep going towards all this debt elimination? That's your why?
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What do you think their real reaction is going to be if you told them today?
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Have you ever seen Christmas Vacation with Chevy Chase?
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Wow. You're going to watch that tonight. That didn't go well when he didn't pay the bonuses and he gave them the jelly of the month club. These people are counting on it. Listen, it's a comedy, but people are counting on this, and you waited way too late to change this on them. It's my opinion. I wouldn't do that for what money you think you're going to save. And you have the money.
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Well, but hold on a second. I asked you this, and you kind of feel like you went a different direction. I asked you, is this a recent revelation that he's not been honest with you? I love that your finances are separate. They should be. That's exactly what we would tell you if you asked us that. You aren't married yet.
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And by the way, because we're running out of time, I want to set her up, Christian, with one of our financial coaches, please. Let's gift her a session. So there's just a little bit more time and they can help you with a plan because we just cannot cover all of this in the small time we have with you. Secondly, Christian, you've done this before.
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Also, let's figure out what churches we know in the area where she lives specifically. We will also make some connections to this church for you or churches. And I cannot say... What Jade said is absolutely the number one thing you got to do right now. Now, the coach will help you. Our coach, financial coach will help you and come up with a game plan.
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But you've got to go tell your story because people's hearts will break with yours and you will get help. You've got to be okay to say, I need help. No shame in your game, Sarah. You stepped up. You did what you did. No one's judging you, including us.
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You've got to have some help. Yeah. So hang on the line. Christian's amazing. He'll take good care of you, Sarah. Help is on the way. Keep your chin up. There's a plan. This is The Ramsey Show.
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So my question is, is this something new that you have found out, and how did you find out?
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is alongside. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. All right, it is possible to break the cycle you've been stuck in. I'm just telling you, it's possible. It might seem as though you're just never going to get out of it, but it is possible. And we're talking about your money and your relationships. There's such a tie there.
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Dave Ramsey and Dr. John Delaney are hitting the road to show you how to break out of the cycle. It's called the Money and Relationships Tour. They're going to talk about raising great kids, handling money fights, making real friends, and more. This is the turning point you've been looking for, and the time is running out.
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The dates are Louisville on April 21, Durham, North Carolina on April 23, Atlanta, Georgia April 25, Phoenix, Arizona on May 5, Fort Worth on May 7, Kansas City on May 9. RamseySolutions.com slash tour is where you get the tickets. Or if you're watching on YouTube or listening via your favorite podcast app, click the link in the show notes. It's the Money and Relationship Tour.
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Dave Ramsey, Dr. John Deloney coming to a city maybe near you. So go check out the details and get your tickets now. Colton is up in Denver, Colorado. Colton, how can we help?
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Hi, Mrs. Warshaw. How are you guys doing today? Well, I just feel about 15 years older now. It was very formal. Mr. Coleman and Mr. Warshaw with you today, folks. We're here to take care of business. What's going on, Colton? How can we help? We appreciate the respect. Jade feels she doesn't know what to do with that.
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I particularly like this question because, full disclosure, Japan is on my top five list of places to go. Interesting. That I've not been. Okay. So I'm a little interested in this. All right. All right, Colton, how much is it going to cost?
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All right. Okay. And do you have any debt?
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This is The Ramsey Show. It's where you hang out, America, to talk about your life, specifically your money, your profession, and your relationships. Alongside the incomparable, the inimitable Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. And we're here for you this hour. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225 is the number. You ready to go? You're in your spring corduroy. Yes, I am. I like this.
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And so what is a fully funded emergency fund as we define it, three to six months? What's that for you? Mm-hmm.
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Okay, so you've already got, so the $15,000 is a fully funded emergency fund and then some for you. Yes. And you're going to be able to cash flow between now and next October easily the $4,000 to cover the trip, yes or no?
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Yeah, but we don't have a net worth calculator as your vacation. The bottom line is, do you have any debt? The answer is no. And do you have a fully funded emergency fund? Yes. How long is the trip? Are you investing 15% of your income into retirement?
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Here's my deal. I'll get out of the way and cede my time to my financial expert partner over here. I just see no issue with you coming up with four grand, even if you're investing 15%, which you need to be doing. You coming up with four grand between now and October, 2026. Yeah.
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Is a non-issue, my man. So I would say go to Japan.
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And you only live once, bro. The fact that you're paying cash for this. Yeah. You're young.
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All right. So listen, I'm going to preview my talk. On the Ramsey cruise. What talk? What's it about? I'm about to tell you. It's the answer to why he's calling it.
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My talk is for decades, Davis said, live like no one else. That's the baby steps.
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So that later you can live like no one else. And then he eventually added and give like no one else. Right, right, right. Okay. But living like no one else, the crux of my talk, because all these people on the cruise are baby step four and higher. Facts. Okay. Is don't get to the end of your life
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Okay. All right. Well, that's all. Thanks for sharing that. That helps Jade and I in trying to encourage you because this is less about him lying about the finances. This is just about him lying. So we've got money problems, and you guys are about ready to tie the knot. When is the big day?
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After you're doing all this hard work to live like no one else and not actually live like no one else, which means when you're 24 and debt free. Come on. Going to Japan for four grand because you can. Yeah. And you come back with a great experience and no stress. That's living like no one else.
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I'm not talking about the money part. I'm going to say on the other side of all this hustle. Now we go from intensity to tensionality. And let's talk about the regrets of the dying. I'm going to share the regrets.
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What we know from tons of studies on it.
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Yeah. I won't give the whole talk, but it's I didn't live true to myself. Like I tried to please everybody else.
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I didn't spend enough time with friends. I didn't spend enough time with family. Like these type of things. And so I'm going to equate it to now that you have financial peace, what does living like nobody else look like? And I'm going to actually spin. I'm going to flip the regrets. So instead of a regret, I'm going to go, here's the flip side to this regret, and I'm going to name it.
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And now that you have the money and the freedom to pursue this, get to the end of your life and reminisce, not regret. That's the final. That's very good. So I would say, Colton. I believe in this so much. That's the talk I'm doing, essentially. And I think at 24, being debt-free, if you don't go to Japan, it's the type of thing you might regret one day. And none of us are promised tomorrow.
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So while I'm living, this is from the Broadway show, Redwood, with Idina Menzel that Stacy and I just saw. There's a song and there's a lyric in the song that says, live while you're living.
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And I'm going to go ahead and borrow that. I probably botched that lyric. I'm with you. I thought you were going to Sinatra. No, I just think that when I'm living, live.
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Live. And I think this meets all of the requirements for us saying, you know, Davis said for years, don't let your vacation come home with you. I agree.
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By putting it on a credit card.
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Just go. This is my new qualifier, Colton, Jay, and everybody else. When given an opportunity, I sit there and I think, is this something that if I'm an 85-year-old man in my final days that I'm going to look back on and go, I wish I had done that.
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Hey, if there's karaoke on the cruise, will you sing that song you just talked about? Yeah, Ken. If Jade works with me on it, like she's got to make sure that I can get all the keys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a pro. If she coaches me, sure. Maybe does a duet with me. I don't know. Based on the last time we heard you sing, Ken.
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If I can do like a Kirk Franklin version, like Kirk never actually sings, but he surrounds himself with great singers. That's more me. I say a couple lines with some oomph while you're singing. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw joins me. And we're here for you this hour, 888-825-5225. Before we get to the phones, it's time for our Ramsey Show question of the day, brought to you by WhyRefi. With WhyRefi, you can take control of your defaulted private student loans with a plan that works with your monthly budget. Visit WhyRefi.com slash Ramsey.
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So now we've got a good idea of what's going on, and I'm troubled. If I could play big brother for a moment, I'm concerned because this is a real problem. We know that financial issues cause a lot of marriage stress, number one. It's well documented. And then number two, there's dishonesty here. And so I'm very concerned. So how can we help you best today? What can we do?
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You were so intense because this says intensity to me.
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Like I. Which I understand that.
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Was there. OK, but I also know you. You're probably one of the most principled convicted people I know. And that's a compliment.
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So what changed is was it something that Sam said? What made you finally go? And I know you just kind of said it, but there had to be something before that.
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Very personal answer there, which is powerful. You felt her.
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Love it. Really good question. Better answer. Love it. Let's go to Austin who's now joining us in Salt Lake City. Austin, how can we help?
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Jade, I don't know where you're at, but I'm leaning towards, I think you should just pay this car off.
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Yeah, that's right. But they can do this.
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I mean, this is doable. So you've got options there. I like it. All right. Good stuff. All right. Fun hour. It went fast. That means I think we were having fun, Jade.
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Okay, good. All right. That would have been awkward had you said no.
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The chuckle you heard in the background was none other than my good friend and co-host, Jade Warshaw. She's going to try to keep me on track as well as give you great money advice, so pray for her.
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Well, you thought it was like... Like we're blessing them with our presence. And I was thinking you are welcome.
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You are welcome here on the show. We want to help you.
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I have to work better. I think my personal brand is making you think one thing. No, I'm just happy to be here. Let's go to Margie in Chicago, Illinois. Margie, how can we help today?
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I think so. I think at the heart of the question, though, Margie, from what I heard, it was you're trying to get you and your husband on the same page. You're using frugality and you want a little bit more of a plan. You want to get ahead a little bit more. And he's going, man, I kind of want to enjoy life. We got enough. Is that the tension?
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Okay, so let me, so I think everything that Jade said is spot on, and I think that what she's saying is absolutely the key to you finally getting you and your husband on the same page. With the budget, if you treat this budget for him as not this frugality play, but actually an intentionality play.
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In other words, it's tension every time you try to say, hey, I'd like to be a lot tighter, all the things. I mean, Jay gave you the way to do it, but I think to get him on board, it's less of a message of being tight and frugal. It has a... I think it's got an emotion on it that he doesn't like, and I don't think it's going to break through. This is my hunch.
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But if you come at it and say, hey, this is going to allow us to spend – like you want to spend, but still we make the progress in these areas over here. And I think by doing what Jade told you, so it's everything she said, all I'm saying is the way you couch it, this isn't manipulative. It's just speaking to his desire to live. He wants to live. I hit the nerve. That's why you're laughing.
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Him in the middle. The budgeting is for planning and intentionality, but give him some space. Give him his fund, whatever that is. You guys put it in the budget, and that way he's got some margins, and you guys are okay. Fun stuff. Really fun call. All right. We've got to take a quick commercial break because we've got to pay them a bill.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is with me. We're here for you, America. 888-825-5225. Let's go to Newark, New Jersey. Jeremy is there. Jeremy, how can we help?
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Okay, so it's going to be easier on your body as a pro. Looks like it has more longevity as a pro. A 40% cut is not a pro. And I'm a guy that has entertained things like this before. But four years... So to me, the question, and the only question that I need an answer to on this is, can you absorb that?
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Is it taking you to a different state or cost of living, or you've got so much margin in your life that 40% won't really be obvious in a painful way? That's what I need to know. Can you sustain that?
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My point is you're not in a marriage situation and you don't have kids, right?
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I'm going to tell you that you need to be looking for other opportunities that don't require a 40% cut. I understand the physical toll on the body. I do get what you're saying there. I see the longevity play. If I were in your shoes before I did this, I would be making sure that there were no other better options. And I don't believe that that's the case, Jade.
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I just don't think that's the only option he has.
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Yeah, I don't feel like you're in an emergency situation is what she's getting at. Like, this feels like...
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Well, I'm going to tell you right now, I am never going to tell somebody to take a 40% pay cut and sit four years in that pay cut to get to move up in a union. It's too risky. I'm not going to put my future in the hands of the union. Sorry. I'm going to catch hate for that, but that's just what I believe.
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Oh, buddy, you buried the lead. You didn't tell us that. Sorry, yeah, yeah.
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Okay, here's my ruling. I'll let Jay get the last word on it because I've heard enough. I personally would not do this. However, from giving you advice, if you believe this is your best ladder for the future that you want and you can absorb the cut, 40% one year, then it's only 30%.
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And if you can absorb that, not go into debt, and you've got enough margin to live comfortably, then I wouldn't hate it. But I would not do it. It sounds like I'm splitting the baby, but I'm not.
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What do you say? I want to know what you owe on the car.
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That's $8,400 a year, pal. Yeah.
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Okay, I'm interrupting. I'm interrupting because my partner figured it out. She got to the core. You're just looking at this as this is good. This is good long term. We want great for you. What's going to make Jeremy get fired up on a Monday morning 20 years from now? I don't think this is it. Am I right?
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That's all that we're getting at.
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I mean, that's what you were getting at, and kudos to you. That's what I teach, and I believe. It's like, is this the long-term play? And a long-term play that we go, I'm excited about this. Not, it's a good job. It's okay.
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Yeah. All right. Well, there you go. Get your house in order financially before you take this move. Because you don't want this to be, you don't think, okay, this is going to be fun. And then you get in and you go, oh, this is a lot harder than I thought. This is, I call it my half marathon decision. I thought, oh, this will be a great test and it'll be fun training and it'll be all these things.
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And then your boy got, no, it wasn't. Your boy got into it and was like, I'm a grown man. Why am I out here running for two hours on a Sunday afternoon instead of laying on my couch watching golf? Yeah, but I didn't, it wasn't grit that was worth it to me. There wasn't anything. In other words, I thought I'd be motivated to do it and I was motivated to get through it. Big difference.
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I'm not like you. You, this woman, folks, she is an iron woman. I mean, you can just go run marathons. Like, no big deal.
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Yeah, but the way you train, you're just too disciplined for me on that. I'll play pickleball for three, four hours.
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But I'm not going to go running on the road somewhere for no purpose at all. What am I doing? I'm just trying to run back to the place where my car is. It doesn't make any sense to me. But I digress.
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This is The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is with me, and we're here for you. 888-825-5225. So I've got to give it to you, Jade. We've got a fun email we got from Nate in Michigan. And this is fun. It's kind of related to a segment you've done before, asking for a friend.
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And I got to tell you, anytime you can cash flow something, it just feels better than pulling it out of savings. I know the savings is there, but I despise.
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With a deep soul hatred. Yes. Pulling money out of the big fund, the emergency fund.
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I don't like it. I try to cash flow everything.
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I get it. That's how I got a free roof, by the way. Yeah. Tell us more, Ken Coleman, about a free roof. Well, the short answer is I had to replace our roof. Not thrilled about it.
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So I started thinking, I got to get this situation. I don't want to pull out of that. So I was like, so the guy comes up once he wants to do the roof. I said, look, here's the deal. We're very connected in the neighborhood. You do a good job. I help you get business. How do you feel about that? He says, tell me more. We talk. Then he says, all right, I'll tell you what.
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I can get it to a point where it's just your deductible. So I thought, okay, I like that. So he calls insurance up because insurance had previously denied us. He gets on the phone with them, makes the case. That's great. Insurance says we'll cover it. Then it's a deductible. So I go back to him and I go, how about you guys eat my deductible? I get the free roof and in turn...
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I promote your company in my neighborhood through some social and through some key people that I know.
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And guess what? We've got him four different roofs. So I just thought, I don't want to touch. Then I got aggressive.
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And I didn't want to have any cash come out. So I took my shot. Well, the worst he could say is no. Yeah. So guess what? He's now had four roofs that I'm aware of that came directly from us. Now he's in the neighborhood. Wow. So I'm just saying.
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Where there's a will, there's a way. Yes, sure. Where there's a will, there's a way.
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That's the point of it. Forget the details of my story.
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I started trying to get creative with how I wouldn't have to touch my emergency fund because it came out of the blue. Like it was a problem we didn't know about. So now I'm like, come on, man.
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Fun stuff. Sean is on the line in Denver, Colorado. Sean, how can we help? How are you guys? Doing well, sir. What's going on?
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So the bottom line is, would the $35,000 even help you? Because you're going to have to refi. Theoretically, can you?
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It's like I said, I made the mistake, so I'm only going to penalize you on my mistake this much.
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Is there something with the type of house, because it's a manufactured house, that that's why nobody wants these loans?
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Do you have any equity in this house at all?
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If it was me, now, Jay, tell me if I'm being too aggressive here, but I'd get out of this house instead of keep messing with this. If it's true that he's only got one lender who will play ball with him, he's going to keep getting jacked around here.
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Yeah. I'm all for selling it, man, and rent for a while and get yourself a house that doesn't have these kind of limitations.
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Yeah. However, I agree with all of that, but I think this ought to be premarital counseling.
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Yeah. Oof. This is the Ramsey Show.
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Because you actually need a professional coach. who can help you navigate his feelings. His feelings are very real and as a result, very powerful. In other words, there's a lot of shame. What I heard is he has shame and he needs to know that you aren't judging him. He needs to know that you aren't holding an ultimatum over his head, but that you don't feel safe because of the way he does money.
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This is The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is with me, and we're thrilled to have you. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. We get calls, it feels like, almost daily from people who are launching a side business. They want to make some more money, whether that to be pay for college, pay off debt. build up retirement, or it's just about living the dream.
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All right. That means we've got a little extra energy for you folks today. Jade's going to help out on how to save, how to invest the money, and I'll help out on how to make more money. So it's quite a combo. if I do say so myself. We start off with Darlene in Missoula, Montana. Darlene, how can we help today?
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And building a business and running that business effectively over the long haul is very, very difficult. And that's why we're very excited that Dave's got a brand new book out called Build a Business You Love. He's unpacking what it took.
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to take this business from a card table to where it is now over 250 million dollar business so uh it is the baby steps for running a business that's the way dave describes it you could pre-order it now for 29.99 and you're going to get over 350 dollars in free bonus items just for purchasing it ahead of time you get to pre-order it and it comes to you when it releases
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You can pre-order today at ramseysolutions.com. That's ramseysolutions.com. Or the link is in the show notes if you're on YouTube or podcast. All right, to the phones we go. Patricia is joining us now in Long Island, New York. Patricia, how can we help?
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I'm curious about the kiddos that you helped out with these loans. What are they doing now?
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So the 87 is your deal, just yours?
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Okay. All right. I'm sorry. I should have asked that right out of the gate. Sometimes I'm wondering if parents are paying everybody else's or just yours. So, okay. All right. So you've got the 87. What's your income?
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And this is about us judging. Moving forward, having a healthy and prosperous marriage, not what you've done now or what you're dealing with. I'll help you. I'll dive in going forward. Hey, babe, I'll handle the finances and you don't have to worry about it because it's my thing. It's my jam. Like that has to be facilitated through a real marriage pro. And I could not recommend.
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I think your next steps are, hey, we're doing this for us so that there's no judgment. Sit with me in there. They'll keep me in check so that I don't shame you.
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Yeah. And listen, Patricia, there will come a point where you've got to think about selling stuff, making extra money, and you go, okay, what can I do every month? Could I make $1,000 a month in additional money that would go towards the loan? Or is it $2,000?
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You start to play with these numbers, and at some point when you begin to deliver on this, you're going to see the momentum, and you will be able to get rid of this, which will give you a chance to retire with some dignity. So you're going to have to be intense. Yeah. But this is actually very doable, but a lot of intensity over a short amount of time will get you there.
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You paid your car off. How expensive was that car loan you told us about? 17k come on so you're doing it it's not like you don't have any track record here so get your chin up patricia all right no i know i've done a few things right and i've never been one who have depended on credit cards a lot i don't like them you're a good lady you're a good mom right along the way hey no shame in your game
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Come at it that angle and just say, please do this for us, and it's going to be okay. No shame. No nothing. No condemnation. I think that's the play, but I do believe that this is premarital counseling. This is not a money issue right now. It could be, but it's actually not. And that's why I would do that. So thanks for the call, Darlene. Thanks for trusting us.
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I'm not kidding you. Shame will hold us back from breaking through stuff like this. So you're okay. No shame in this show at all for you. That's why we do this. This is The Ramsey Show.
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I think it's going to be okay if you approach it that way and you guys stick through the therapy. Quick break. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. So glad you're with us today, America. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman, and we're here to coach you up. 888-825-5225. That's the phone number. Sarah's going to join us now in Atlanta, Georgia. Sarah, how can we help today?
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you know and i was getting all this to keep them out of the system and now it's been five years and i am like broke i don't know what to do oh sarah well first of all you are such an amazing grandma i'm telling you um you stepped up and um we're gonna help you we're gonna help you so give us the scenario where are you at where are you financially or did you did you accrue any debt
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We want to get you out of this. What's your debt?
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What happened? Is this a new revelation?
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Is that why you lost your job before?
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And so a lot of medical stuff still going on?
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Okay. And so where's most of your money going? Is it for therapy and the medical stuff? I'm guessing that's extremely expensive.
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Yeah. And the reason I'm asking is because I know that area very well. I lived down there for a long time, so I'm just curious. So you're south of the airport, right?
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Okay, gotcha. All right. All right, let's walk through the debts really quick because we don't have a ton of time left and we're going to get you some help here. But let's give Jade a quick snapshot of your total debt. We know the house. Well, let's just quickly get that. How much is the house worth today? Do you have any idea versus what you owe?
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Okay, so you don't have much there. Okay, and now go through the rest of your debts, smallest to largest.
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But like, can we talk about, I'm dying right now. You did such a good job. Can we talk about this man's car?
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What's the car worth?
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So, it's worth $21,000.
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Okay, good. I mean, I think you've got to sell this car right now at 30% interest rate, Jade. I know that's extreme.
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I thought he said 30%. No, it's 30%. You asked that twice and he said 30%. T-H-I-R-T-1. Listen, I just turned 41 in my old age.
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He's paying 30% on this car.
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All right, Jade and I are going to look into some whiskey and oysters ourselves.
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For after the show. We'll see what the order looks like, but we'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is with me, and we're here for you. 888-825-5225. Hey, it's that time of year, Jade. Have you already got your taxes bundled and ready to go?
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Wow. I'm not sure I know what you said, but I'm not sure what you said.
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You're not unburdened by what has been?
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You see what I just did there? That's what I felt. She's in her chair, folks. She cannot get to the mic. I pulled that subtly. It felt like you were laying down for me, and that is not you. I'll keep moving. One of the best things you can do for your finances is to have a really good tax pro in your corner.
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that you can trust, that'll help advise you on the best moves to make for your situation or your small business, go to RamseySolutions.com slash TaxPro. I got her, now I got me. RamseySolutions.com slash TaxPro to find a CPA and enrolled agent that have been vetted by the Ramsey team. By the way, I have a local pro, and I'm telling you.
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Well, I just never stress at tax time. You just don't want to mess with the IRS, all right?
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I didn't mean to rhyme there.
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Right. I'm the same way. I just don't want to go to jail.
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I wouldn't do well. I just wouldn't look good in those stripes.
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Hey, hey, hey. I knew you were going to say that. Don't say that. It's going to give me nightmares. I'm sorry. I got the shivers.
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Let's go to Logan, who's joining us in Provo, Utah. Logan, how can we help?
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Welcome to the Ramsey Show America, where we help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. Alongside Jake Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. Phone number to jump in is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. You ready to go, partner? Let's giddy up. She's ready to go. Jacob is up in Cincinnati, Ohio. Jacob, how can we help?
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But it's working right now, and it just needs some rare coolant? Illegal coolant.
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But it hasn't broke down yet. If I were to find a truck full of that illegal, outdated coolant, would it function?
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But again, you're, listen, we're not being silly here, but I would, I would ask if I were in your shoes, I would find that coolant. I'll bet you can find that coolant.
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Because all this illegal stuff is all this garbage crap coming out of Washington, D.C. or your statehouse. I'm sorry. It's all environmental crap that 10 years from now we're going to find out there's nothing wrong with it.
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So in all honesty, if I was sitting in your shoes, Logan, I would be trying to find that coolant so that I could follow Jade's advice and save up the money to where we get a whole new unit. But what does the patch look like? And I don't like the fact that we got one dude out there in the holler who's the only guy.
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I mean, I don't know if they have hollers in Utah. In the South, that's what we call a hollow. But the point is... Get another guy in there. Or find that coolant somehow.
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How long have you been going without income? Probably three months now. And what were you doing prior to that? This was your business? Yeah.
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Is this R22 Freon? Is that what we're talking about?
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I'm on the trail, folks. You know, I would be the guy trying to get myself some of that black market free. You know a guy? I know, but it would be fun to find him. I mean, when you're staring at an $18,000 repair, I think it might be an adventure.
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There's got to be some corner of the interweb.
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There's some dude in Arkansas, I feel like, who's got himself barrels and barrels of this stuff.
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We're going to search for it on the break. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. So excited that you're with us. 888-825-5225. It's been quite the hour. We've had fun. The calls have been fantastic, very interesting, and we're having a little too much fun. So we'd love to hear from you today. Jade will help out on how to handle the money, and I'm going to help out on how to make more of it.
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How about that for a combo? So if that's you today, we'd love to have you jump in. We're having a good time while we coach you up. All right, let's go to Indianapolis, Indiana, where David is joining us. David, how can we help?
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Oh, thank you, sir.
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You sound fit. You've got a great voice, so you're already off to a great start.
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David, David, you're amazing. Your mindset and your spirit is all ready to be commended. So sorry you're dealing with this. How long ago was the diagnosis?
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So I'm hitting you here because we've got to get to your debt situation with Jade, but we've got to figure out your income. You have zero income. So Jade can't help you on the debt until we figure out income. So take me back as quick as you can to the last time you had a 40-hour-a-week job. What were you doing and how much were you making? Take me back. I was working at a wellness retreat center.
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Yeah, but that's why it's there.
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Hang in there, David. I agree with my colleague on this one. Let's just stack cash right now because you can always move that cash back into the baby steps and keep on investing. Turn that back on once you get on the other side of this.
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Very good. Very good. Yeah. Love that. Thank you, David. Let's go to Moe in Winnipeg, Canada. Moe, how can we help today?
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Okay. And so the trade thing, I'm getting somewhere, partner, I promise.
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At least I'm trying to. So the trade thing you signed up for, what kind of trade work is that? Okay, and you're skilled and ready to go. You can do that. Yes. Okay, here's what I'm getting at. I had to get some information to go, Jacob, you don't sit around and wait for this opportunity. I'm glad you got signed up, and presumably something will come, but you're also in a rural area.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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So right now, it sounds like you're a pretty mobile guy. That means you've got to do whatever it takes and go wherever. So whatever and wherever are two of your favorite words right now. Love that. And what I'm talking about is that if you just need $1,200 to get by... then all you effectively need to do is find 40 hours a week at $10 an hour. Now, I think you can do way better than that.
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But if you can be an electrician tradesman, that means you can do a lot of other things. So we're talking every handyman job possible, get to Cincinnati, Ohio, get somewhere where you can deliver something, show up and pick something up and place it on a shelf. You don't need a lot to live, which is the good news. okay? $1,200 is our baseline for living.
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But I'll be honest with you, if she called, I'd have been on her team.
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Yeah, I agree. In your house, who does the dishes?
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I'm the dishwasher king.
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Oh, no. What are we talking about? It's 2025. Who washes by hand anymore?
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The fine china, yeah. I'm the dishes guy.
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Stacey will help when it's a lot of dishes, but I'm on the kids all the time.
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Oh, no, no. I like it. I am famous. When I go to bed at night, I like the kitchen to be clean because I'm the first one up in the morning making the coffee. And I don't like to walk into uncleanliness.
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I don't want to see dishes in the morning.
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It's not a good way to start my day. It messes my mind up. It's got to be clean.
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So that's one of my things. And I've got other things I've got to do, too. And I do them, young men. I do them.
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We'll exchange lists on the break, but we'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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So based on that, Jade, if we can get you to where you're actually making a good bit more than that, then you can go through the debt snowball. And I'm bringing my partner here, but my friend, like, you've got to happen to this problem. You are so relaxed. I think you'd be a great yoga teacher.
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All right, folks, welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. Excited to be with you here as we take your calls about your money, about your profession, about your relationships. And by the way, excited to debut a new show on The Ramsey Network. It's my new project called Front Row Seat, something I've been cooking up for a long time. Very, very excited.
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And this is a deep dive conversation show. That's how I broke into broadcasting many, many years ago. But we've added an element to it, Jade, and it is the audience themselves are a part of the show. So they get to sit in the room. They're in the round with us. And it's not just me asking questions or making points. These are conversations, not just a back and forth interview.
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The audience themselves gets to be a part of the conversation by asking questions themselves. And so we made this. It's a beautiful set. It looks fabulous on YouTube. You can also get it via podcast. So on YouTube or your favorite podcast app, it's called Front Row Seat. What are we doing? We're deep diving in three areas. Content that will help you get better as a person.
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So think the physical, the spiritual, the mental, the emotional. Uh-huh. things of that nature. And then we talk about your professional development, soft skills and hard skills. And then if you're in a leadership role, how to lead well. So we talk about it's get better, move up, and lead well. And that's what we're doing.
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Oh, well, see, it depends on the age. But if you're in your late 30s, mid 30s, late 30s, 40s, you know this math really well. It's Inside the Actor's Studio, famous show on Bravo, meets Masterclass, which is a very popular app now, meets MTV Unplugged.
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So bottom line is it's a conversation show, a wide variety of guests, but you see yourself in the audience as they sit there and ask questions. So it's a really fun format. It's called Front Row Seat. Get it on YouTube. Subscribe on YouTube. Like it. And you can also get it on your favorite podcast app. So fun stuff there.
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Toronto is where we're going next, and Chris is sitting there waiting for us. Chris, how can we help?
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Great. We're having a blast. What's going on?
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great news is is like i'm sure you're great at yoga but right now bro like you don't need to be chill you need to be running around like your pants are on fire because i think your pants are on fire 100 they they are i put in four applications in person today did the same thing uh
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So it's 45,000 if he did it per year.
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I'm not. I'm going to jump in. Listen, I don't want to knock you putting in applications, but we don't put in applications in a moment when our pants are on fire. Do you know what we do? We find out who is hiring. We ask everybody that knows anybody, and in a small rural area, trust me, it's not hard to find out who's actually hiring.
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Good call. Got to run. This is the Ramsey Show.
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And this may be like taking a page out of my buddy Mike Rowe's famous show, Dirty Jobs. Yeah. If somebody's shoveling you-know-what on a farm right now, and they don't have anybody that's showing up to do that, that's where you are. Because you're going to shovel you-know-what all day today. Today. For sure. For sure. Okay. Yes. All right, now let's assume you've got some money coming in.
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Yeah, I don't think you're going to look like a job hopper when you're 19, and this is just you making money to go to college. So the narrative on this would be, I got a chance to make more money. I was working at the bank. I got an opportunity to make more money, and all of that was going towards paying my tuition, so I took it. That's the narrative. You're not a job hopper.
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You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You
So good question, though.
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I don't think there's any set rule, but if you were to look at one's resume and you were to see multiple jobs, In a span of a year and a half, two years.
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And it doesn't have a narrative. In other words, it wasn't, I got promoted. Okay, which is, that's not job hopping. That is, I got promoted. Going to the next level. It's not, I got recruited. And so I was at company A, company B came along with a great offer. And so I upgraded to the tune of a title and a pay bump. That doesn't make you look like a job hopper unless you keep doing that.
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so if you see multiple of those it'll paint the picture is my point somebody goes oh you don't hang around for very long at all you're looking for the next best thing so if I hire you I may not have you in 6 to 12 months that's what you're worried about but if it is a legitimate narrative And you aren't just taking the next best thing.
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You know, you aren't playing the field, as they used to say when I was in high school. You know, you were called a player if you had too many girls on your arm in a short amount of time. You would have been called a player.
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Walk Jade through your debt situation.
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Right. So if you want to eventually settle down and all the girls in your high school have seen you play in the field, then maybe they don't trust you. They're like, we don't want you over here. Same deal with a potential employer. They want to feel like you're the marrying type.
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So it's kind of straightforward. It's common sense. Let's go to Shannon in Phoenix, Arizona. Shannon, how can we help?
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So on a really good month, your mortgage is still about 50%? Ooh, mama. If not more of your income?
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And you moved, you moved to where you are now because of your husband's job or your business?
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Well, what is rent? What if you guys were renting in your area right now? What would that set you back?
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If you can come up with that money, then get out, then rent, take care of this other place that stayed away and get out of that. It feels like that's the progression.
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Favorite call of the month already. We still have a lot to go. A peacock attacked his truck, James. You should see the truck.
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You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You
Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is alongside. And our last caller, what a story. Yeah. They move from one state to another. Very expensive house in the one state they leave behind. Can't sell it because it's got about $150,000 worth of foundation repair. It's cracked. Nobody wants it. They couldn't give it away, or at least that was their statement.
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And then they moved to the Phoenix area. Oh, by the way, they also got $150,000 worth of solar on that house. They moved to the Phoenix area, buy a house that's costing them about $4,500 a month. It's over half of their take home.
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No, half of their gross. Yeah, it is. And so we were sitting there going, okay, wow. And they can't sell the current house without taking about a $30,000 loss.
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They've hardly been in it. And so we ran up into the break there. And so you were thinking through this a little bit. You wanted me to bring this back up because they don't have a ton of options.
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You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You
I would be working like crazy. I mean, can we make an additional $2,500 a month?
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That would be my target. I would always look at that and go $2,500 a month is $30,000 in 12 months.
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You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You
So I'm going to start there. I at least go, okay, what would have to be true for me to bring that in to be able to make that difference? Because now they can reset. That's right. Because next, the big hurdle they have is they got to come up with 150 grand to fix the foundation in another state to be able to unload that out.
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You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You
So I can tell you, there's a lot of hard work and long hours ahead of them to be able to get out of this mess. But at least They create some margin by selling the current home and getting into a rent situation.
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can you imagine being that that kind of up to your eyeballs and then you got a house that you can't even fix you want to talk about the old millstone around the neck analogy that's what that was 100 so tough stuff there but it's doable but i mean we're talking about enormous intensity for a for a pretty good season to dig out of that it's a mountain let's go to richard in chicago illinois richard how can we help hey um yeah my name is richard i'm 28 years old uh
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You got a flock of peacocks near you, Jacob? Is that what's going on? Yeah, I live near my grandmother. Does she have a pet peacock? She sure did. She sure did. Oh, you didn't hurt the peacock, did you, Jacob? No, no. Okay, she did. He said that in the past. I thought maybe he saw the peacock pecking his quarter panel and he took care of the peacock.
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Yeah. Lay out the totals for us, the credit card. Go smallest credit card debt up to the largest. Okay.
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Okay, listen, I... So she's not paying any rent to you? I haven't asked, no.
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Bro, you're too broke to be dating somebody who's living with you and not paying her share of the rent. That's just a fact.
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How about a budget, Richard?
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So you can answer the question, how much money could you pay off debt? How much could you pay towards debt every month after you're paying off the basics? Your utilities and food and gas and all that. What could you put towards debt?
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That's what I was trying to figure out. Okay.
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And if you're going to shack up with the lady, she's got to pay her portion. Come on.
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You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You
Is that unacceptable in today's – I have no clue. I've been married so long, I don't even have the floggiest idea. If two people are living together in a romantic relationship, are they both paying equal share of rent?
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Studio audience? Yes, that's the deal?
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But I mean, if we're going to be dating and we're jumping into a house, I'm going to go, hey, this is my part of the rent. This is yours. Right?
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Sell the house, Richard. Got to sell the house. Sell the house.
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Do you want to hold him over and give me some advice?
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Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm going to get some peps at AC after that call. This is the Ramsey Show.
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Another reason not to buy a shiny truck that's not paid for. The Peacock.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show alongside the incomparable, fabulous Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. The phone number is 888-825-5225. If you want to jump in, 888-825-5225. Sam is up in Birmingham, Alabama. Sam, how can we help today?
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I'd like to know more. Why are we doing this?
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He's dealing with guilt.
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Brilliant move. Yeah. I remember that.
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Oh, you're not ready to let go.
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I'm sick to my stomach for you, Sam. You have to take, oh my goodness, what's the snowball? Where are we at on the snowball? Did we get there?
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thousand dollars a month in expenses three to six months of basic living expenses so just for round numbers let's say let's say your number let's say you had five thousand dollars worth of expenses every month what we're saying is is that's three months is fifteen thousand six months is thirty thousand you tracking Yep. All right. So that's what we mean by an emergency fund.
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We give you the kind of the we say three months is a minimum. So that'd be 15,000 on this example. That's what she's talking.
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my payments on my cards and my truck okay what kind of income let's just assume that we could snap our fingers and give you the income that you used to have what do you need to make at a minimum to be able to cover all your payments and have a little bit of margin what's that number
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Because now you're increasing your expenses to take this opportunity. And when you, and just, by the way, challenge us on the numbers off this call, right? So take the $20,000 gross that you're going to make. So we know you're going to take taxes on that. So run your taxes on that. You have a pretty good idea what that is. Okay.
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And then you look at the increase in childcare and you start playing that out. And so that's how you just walk through these decisions. If If you had said to us, Caleb, I'm going to make an additional 20K, keep the same schedule, get to work at home, then I think it's a very different conversation. But, man, you're in good shape, and listen to your wife on this one. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, fascinating. I love to hear a young man who's going, I really want to pay this off. And he's like, hold me back, Jade.
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Hold me back. Like, am I doing? And boy, as opposed to the opposite effect, you know, where people are just like, oh, they're not even thinking about it at all. They aren't willing to sacrifice. Really interesting way of coming at this.
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If he'd have come at you with more intensity, you'd have been like, hey, man.
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I can't believe you just pulled the standing on business hat out of the, for those of you that are watching on YouTube, you have to check it out.
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Well, there's two of them, so I think he and I will sign them to each other. There you go. And they'll just be bros.
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Yeah. Sam, you and I, a stick with these hats. We'll smoke a stick soon on that. All right. Quick break. We'll be right back. This is the Ramsey Show. We'll be right back.
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The Ramsey Show continues. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is alongside. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Laura is joining us now in Los Angeles. Laura, how can we help?
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What's the, what's your income situation? Are you guys still working in the business?
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Okay. Do you have any other debt outside the 150? I know she asked you that, but I'm just totally clarifying. This is all of your debt.
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Okay, that's the good news. So $13,000 net. And just a real quick question. I don't want to get bogged down on this, but why is the four-year-old in a private school?
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Okay. So it doesn't have to be in pre-K. I'm just wondering, right out of the gate, there's some money to be saved on some home care maybe versus, but I don't, there's bigger issues going on. But y'all got to like cut back big time.
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There's the bumper stickers that Jade's about ready to walk you through.
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Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, and I might step on toes here, but since we're here, I'm going to go ahead and say it because I know a lot of Americans are thinking this. So I'm going to go ahead and say it.
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I don't remember anything from my 12th grade year. Your four-year-old, no matter what they're trying to teach the kid. I mean, I get it. I'm not in LA.
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But I don't know. I would be looking to save $800 a month tonight. Yeah.
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I know. And I gotta be careful. I'm not judging you. I'm just saying, you know, the four year old, we could cut that. That's 800 bucks a month. That's $9,600 a year.
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Yeah, and it's doable. And again, not telling you what to do with your kid in school, but if we take the $800,000 on top of that, now we're right at the doorstep of $2,000 that we found in your monthly budget. That goes a long way to paying off $150,000 in debt. Okay, because now you're looking at if we just take $2,000 a month that you found and you put it towards debt, that's $24,000 a year.
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That's a long haul, right? And this is a drastic change of your lifestyle. You're not going on vacation. You aren't going out to eat. You guys are going to have to really hustle. But again, my co-host today, this is a woman who her and her husband paid off half a million dollars.
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Appreciate the call. All right, quick break. Jade Warshaw, Ken Coleman. This is The Ramsey Show. We'll be right back.
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Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. You're listening to The Ramsey Show. So excited that you are with us today as we help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. We'd love to hear from you. We go to Paul, who's right here in our backyard, National Tennessee. Paul, how can we help today? Hi. How are you guys?
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Good. Well, I'm a college dropout as well. And so I want you to stop saying it that way the rest of your life. I want you to stop saying it the way that you said it. And I'm not criticizing you. I'm actually going, hey, man. Everybody's got their story. Everybody's got their reasons for it. That does not limit you. And so I want to make sure we get our shoulders back on that, okay?
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So I'm a college dropout, all right? And so I'm not going to let you talk about me the way you talk about you that way, all right? You got this, Paul. All right. So let's talk about real numbers. All right. So she wants to be a stay-at-home mom. Love that. It's the greatest job in the world. Mad respect for it.
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My wife, Stacey, was a professional, made really good money, and then she's been at home for a while. I got mad props for that. How much money? I think you've got a number in your mind, or let's come up with a number. If you earned X amount of dollars, that would replace her income at the minimum. So what's the number?
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Lordy. Hello. Well, so are we trying right now, or is this just something we're talking about?
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Yeah, no, we're not. Yeah, y'all need to slow your roll and learn how to be married, for heaven's sakes. You've been married six months.
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Oh, well, let me also say... You know what, Paul? Let me just tell you. All those plans are great. You have no idea what's in store for you.
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You have zero idea. So let's focus on what we know. She's in a job right now, correct? Yes, sir. And she's not coming home anytime soon because there's no reason to come home, correct?
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Okay, so you guys are fine. You're 66. Take home. That's not bad at all. You guys can stack cash. Do you have any debt?
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All right, so I'm going to bring Jade back in in just a minute to pick you up right where I just left you, but I want to talk about what you want to do. I think this is what I've been doing for years is coaching people to find work they're wired to do. I'm going to give you at the end of this phone call my best-selling book, Find the Work You're Wired to Do.
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It has the Get Clear Career Assessment in it, okay? and I want you to take it, and then I want you to read the book because the book is me coaching you along with your assessment results.
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But let's just see if we can get a couple ideas because I just believe, Paul, that you know what it is or you have a couple ideas of something that you would like to do, and if I could wave my pencil and go poof, and you were doing it and making the money you'd like to make, what is it that you would like to do? Any ideas?
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Great. And why logistics? What about logistics intrigues you?
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My assessment measures three things, Paul. What you are good at doing, you just said you've always been good at it, and what you love to do. That's amazing. I love to do what I'm doing right now. It's fun. It's really fun. So that's not weird. So logistics has got a lot of application to it that's very versatile in the world of work.
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Because if you're good at logistics, there's some operational roles, a lot of ways you can go with that. And then real estate, if you're smart, you transition to that over time, that's great. So what's keeping you from moving into logistics over the next year or two or three? What do you think is missing? Do you have to have a degree to work in logistics?
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Okay, let me ask you a question. Since you're in logistics right now, who at your current company would be able to answer that question about what would it look like to climb a ladder into logistics?
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Paul, I'm going to give you the magical key that most young people never discover. You ready? you find out who are the logistics veterans in the company portal. You send them an email or a chat or a voicemail, and it sounds kind of like this. Hey, so-and-so, my name's Paul. I'm a young guy who would love to get into logistics. I've always been good at it.
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I really love it, but I need someone with experience to just give me their wisdom on the multiple ways that I can grow my and climb the ladder in logistics. Would you be willing to spend time with me if I bought your coffee or lunch? And you just rinse and repeat until you get somebody to do that. And then you actually pay attention to what they tell you. And then go find some other things.
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Go down message boards in logistics. Listen to podcasts. Find everything it is about logistics that are out there. And believe me, it's out there. And you figure out how to get there. Now, once you know that that's a good move for you. And my assessment, the Get Clear Your Career assessment will help you with that. And it's going to validate all the stuff we're talking about.
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Start moving forward with that. And by the way, Christian, let's also give him a copy of my book, number one bestseller, The Proximity Principle. I'm just piling it on the young man because I want to hand you over to Jade.
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We've got a couple minutes and I want her to walk you through how you will get ahead financially now that we're going to have a path and we're going to be making more money, how we plan for little ones and mama to come home down the road.
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Oh, okay. Well, it's really hard to make current decisions on hypothetical future decisions. And what I mean is what you're saying. Sure, I understand we want five kids is what she's saying, but we don't know how that's going to happen.
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A lot of life happens between now and five years from now, and everything we lay out, it's awesome, but life has a real weird way of never turning out exactly the way we plan it to. So that's why you want to make these great money decisions now and then deal with what happens when life throws it at you. Great hour, Jade Warshaw, always fun. This is your show. It's The Ramsey Show.
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Nice. What's that going to cost you, total program?
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This is The Ramsey Show, where America hangs out to have a conversation about their lives, specifically their money, their profession, and their relationships. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. She'll coach you up on saving money, budgeting money, investing money.
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I'm going to coach you up on how to make more of it, as the young people call it, moneyin'. This is a new term I learned today from some high schoolers. I can't wait to drop that on my kids.
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And see how fast and hard they roll their eyes. As my daughter likes to say all the time, you're so cringe, Dad.
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Yeah. It's what I'm supposed to do. It's part of the role of a dad. But we're here for you, America. You ready to go? I'm ready.
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She's ready, folks. Sarah is up in Miami floor. Oh, near your old stomping grounds. You like that. Sarah, how can we help?
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And what are you doing for a living right now?
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This is the Ramsey Show, where America hangs out to get coached up on their life, specifically their money life, their professional life, and their relational life. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in, America. It's your show, 888-825-5225. Alongside the fabulously fly, I feel like today,
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Yeah, like abstract art or painting people's houses?
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Yeah, I was going to ask. I love the advice. Do you think that's going to go down okay, Sarah? I'm curious.
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You know, the reason I'm asking this question is I'm going to challenge you that starting off this marriage debt-free or with very little debt is going to be so much more relaxing. You know, it's funny. You posted an Instagram reel today of you and I together on this show, and it was –
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I think Jade's exactly right. Is there any way... You have to forgive me. I really don't know this. I just don't know. Yeah, what? How far back can they track? Can they track the expenses over the lifetime of this card? Or is that like going to some credit card database?
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$18,000 worth of charges because the thing is they've been using it paying it off using it paying it off so as it stands now but you can't okay so of the eight that's what I'm asking yeah so of the 18 that's on there now yeah it's like a fresh start that's I'm can they track that
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Does the credit card have a, obviously it's a website, but does it have the capability that she and her parents could go in and they could get an itemized list of the current 18K? This is what it's made up of so that they can divvy it up.
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And the reason I'm so hung up on that, Sarah... So Jade's advice is absolutely stellar. And to the extent that you can find out what is yours and you and mom and dad are all mature and we go, okay, this is our chunk and this is your chunk. And let's say you come back and I'm making this up, but let's say your chunk is half of it at 9K. Mm-hmm.
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now because you're off the card and what you're going to do is you're going to pay 9k to mom and dad to put on the card hopefully they'll do that hopefully they will uh but that ain't your problem and you will come to an agreement mom and dad i owe you nine thousand dollars and i'm going to make that right so whatever the number is that's what we want you to do and that's going to make this clean from a boundary standpoint for you which is really important really really important and and
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But I want you to coach her up on something she just said. She didn't catch what you said earlier. She said, I don't want my credit score to go down. You want it to go to zero. Give her the quick pep talk on why. I don't think she caught that.
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Yeah, that's very good. You need to hear this.
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And I was talking about, the young man, I was telling him, you need to learn how to get out of your parents' house and learn how to live on your own because when you get married, what's going to happen is you have these two individuals that have grown up in two different households and there's a lot of culture shock.
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Yeah, but you got this. I think what a lot of people don't realize, you can buy a house with zero credit score. Yes. You can live life without a credit card.
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It's all very doable. If you want to know more about that, just go to RamseySolutions.com and search. We've got articles on that. People think we make it up, Ken. No, it's a real thing. It is doable. So, Sarah, you got this, kiddo. Thanks for the call. We're rooting for you. All right, quick break. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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And I'm just going to bring that back up because it's fresh.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show alongside Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. We'd love to have you. Palm Springs, California is where Jenny joins us. Jenny, how can we help you today?
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I want to get Jade back here involved, Kayla, but... I'd like to see you use that money to knock the debt off and let's hold off on paying your way through the school. I just think life, do you agree with me on that? I couldn't agree more. Take the reins from me on this.
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I just don't think they need insurance at this point.
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With all those houses and then what's beyond the house?
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That's why I'm with you. I'd invest that and I would use that as like that.
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They just don't like the answers. I would really just put the pressure on somebody and become their worst nightmare. And you'd be surprised if somebody wants to get rid of you. You can be nice, but you're just like a bulldog.
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Come on. There's a 90s reference. There you go. Come on, you know?
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I mean... Like new kids on the block hanging tough. You know what I mean? That's what I'm dropping. That's our theme song.
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You don't want to do that. You're robbing yourself. You're just going backwards.
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Yeah, yeah. And it's peace of mind and it's for the term. And that's why it's so beautiful. Once you get past that, you don't need it.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is joining me. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. We'd love to hear from you. Javen is joining us now in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. Javen, how can we help?
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Okay. Well, I want Jade to weigh in, obviously, on this. But I really thought it was a really mature way of asking the question. You've never had to lead anybody. And when it comes to husband and wife, the word leading can get tricky for some people. And I think what I'm going to say hopefully helps everybody. I wouldn't look at it as telling her what to do if that's what we think leading is.
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I think modeling the way is what I would define as leading when it comes to a marital relationship. And so modeling the way is you being disciplined with money. you being transparent about money, you being thoughtful about money, you know, just coming at it from a, it's a, we, and so for instance, give you a classic example, leading her right now would be sitting down with her and going, Hey,
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So here's my view on student loan debt and just debt in general. Here's what it does to me. Here's why it does that to me. And when I say the why, I don't mean like Ramsey bullet point language. I mean like you personalizing going.
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I grew up this way or whatever. So that she goes, she feels very safe because you're not... You're not talking at her about this. You're going, here's how I feel about money in general. And I feel, as your future husband, that I have a responsibility to lead us, is how I would say that. And say, can we talk about what it might look like to save up and cash flow PA school?
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I'm going to bring you in here because I wanted to try to take the – I wanted to give him some wisdom from my, you know, as a man in the marriage, Stacey very strong. We've always been on the same page about money when we didn't start that way. In other words, we may start a conversation. We ain't on the same page.
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When we finished the conversation, Jade, we got to get on the same page. And so I'm bringing you in here. I'm tagging. This is like a wrestling match. And I'm tagging you in the corner over there.
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I'm getting out. I'm getting out of the ring. And I need you to come in because I do want the female perspective as well. Okay, I'm jumping off the ropes into the ring. Be gentle now. Don't elbow drop it right in the head.
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But you're going to be fine, young man. You really will if it's a conversation. You're not dictating. It's not like the old school.
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Did we ask you, Kayla, how much cash you have set aside for school?
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I'm trying to think of Mad Men where a guy barks at his secretary and says, as long as the posture is, I want what's best for our marriage, and this is about peace and us not being like millions of couples that fight over money, and then that turns into marriage issues. I'm just trying to take the pressure off, Javen. Does that make sense to you? You don't have to be a know-it-all.
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You don't have to be this wise sage. You just got to be smart with money and we're going to walk along with you. And by the way, as a wedding gift, by the way, I want to give you Total Money Makeover, Dave Ramsey's classic book, close to 10 million copies, I think, sold or whatever it is. That's just kind of the basics.
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And if you were to just follow that, because you guys aren't in any kind of trouble, but if you were to just follow that, that would be great. What else can we give them?
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Okay. So doing the numbers here, you said you guys have collectively 54,000. I'm going to keep it at that because you're going to be married. By the time you split this out and try to take it on your own, you're basically going to be married. So let's say you got 54,000, 20 of it is your fiance's truck. That takes it down to 34. If you put 12 on it, that takes you down to 22.
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I agree with that. Really good question, though. I love your heart, Javen. I think it's great that a young man is thinking about that. And, you know, you've got to make the big decisions early in marriage.
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And then you spend the rest of your marriage managing those decisions. And money is one of them.
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That's right. And I would also liken it, I'm glad you bring that up, I would also liken it to... This is going to give some people some heartburn, so hang with me. I would liken it to the family member that you're going to see on a regular basis so you can't be a jerk when that uncomfortable political conversation happens.
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In other words, if it's Uncle Larry who you see once a year, you might come at Uncle Larry if he says something. You know what I mean? Yeah. But like if it's your grandmother or somebody where it's like you choose relationship over being right or the zinger where you're like, you just feel like I need to zing you and just kind of let you know what I think of people.
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We can do that on tough topics and politics is one, money is another, faith and religion, things like that. When there is some respect to say, I'm going to understand you. That's right. Because here's what I've learned about politics. You're never going to convince somebody else because of your five points that you're going to make in a debate.
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Common ground. Where can we find common ground? And so this is a lot easier when it's your spouse. When it's, okay, I'm just going to seek to understand how she thinks and feels about money.
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What do you think about debt? And then she tells you, and you go... What formed that? What do you think? See, all of a sudden, this isn't a game. It's not manipulation. It's a legitimate, respectful question asking that allows you to get on her page. That does not mean that you agree with everything on her page, but you got there.
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Now you hope it's reciprocated. And in a healthy relationship, it will be reciprocated. I think that's the lesson.
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I think that's the best you can do and hope it works out from there. And without all else fails, go get a great therapist for your marriage. You know what I mean?
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman, joined by Jade Warshaw. Thrilled to have you with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Let's go to Lafayette, Indiana. And Steve is there. Steve, how can we help?
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You're not going to pay it off that fast. Have you run those numbers? I'm with Jade. Have you run the numbers on the interest and what that's going to actually be? So for instance, let's put you on the spot. Over the next 12 months, what are you anticipating that the interest of the $400,000 is going to throw off?
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Well, let's do it. Let's do it. So what's the return? What do you think you're going to get over the next 12 months on that money market?
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I think that's right. Let me get my calculator.
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So I got to jump in, Steve, really quick, because I'm 100% with your wife on this. Here's why. I just pulled the numbers. You're at 4.5% on the $400,000. That's $18,000 a year. However, if you pay the house off, you have... massive, massive jump forward in, in your, in your longterm, you know, play.
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And then the second thing is, is I would take all that money and I would be, I would be investing most of that. I, outside of your emergency fund, a six month emergency fund, Jade, I would be investing the rest of that after we pay the house off. Cause I would rather get eight to 10% versus your four and a half.
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Yeah, he's too excited about 4.5%. I wouldn't be excited about 4.5%.
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That's exactly what I would do, Steve. Pay off the house. Get with a smart investor pro in your area, RamseySolutions.com. Make the connection. The smart investor pros are people you need to sit with if you don't have one. And sit with them and interview them. Get the right fit, right feel, the connection, the chemistry deal, and then have them invest that money for you.
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Yeah, he was thinking, I'm going to pay the house off at $18,000 a year.
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No, it's not a good move. Hey, I want to mention something. Then we got to get to our question of the day. If you're a business owner, I know we have a lot of people who are starting out. You just could be in the side hustle stage where you've got the business up and running. You need to know about Dave's new book, Build a Business You Love. It's where he's unpacking how he took
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So go get that. All right, let's get to our question of the day, which is brought to you by YRefi. Do you have a defaulted private student loan and the payments are dragging you down? YRefi can help you save thousands of dollars. Visit YRefi.com slash Ramsey to see how they can help. That's the letter Y, R-E-F-Y dot com slash Ramsey. It may not be available in all states.
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Yeah. Let the silence. I'm going to give you six words. We can't give more. I'm sorry. That's it. And just let it ride. And you say we can't. You have to tell them why. Just we can't. Oh, I'm so sorry. We can't. I think that's all you can do here or this thing's going to be an ugly, ugly mess. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Yeah, I agree. It's not what you expected. But I think it's the best plan, especially being a young married couple. I mean, it's just going to make marriage a whole lot easier as you experience that first year of just learning how to live with somebody else. And it's a lot harder than anybody tells you, by the way. So don't add money complications to it. Great first call, Kayla.
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I got to say, I think you got a 90s vibe and I don't have a problem with it.
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All right, quick break. Jay's going to tell me more about 90s fashion, and then we'll be back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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I'm not ashamed of my age. I graduated in 1992 from high school. We've got a big group of fantastic looking young scholars, high schoolers from a local school here today looking at us and they're all like, yeah, he's pretty much my dad's age. And I am.
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Welcome back, America. You're joining the conversation about your life. here on The Ramsey Show. Ken Coleman alongside Jade Warshaw. So happy you're with us, 888-825-5225. Investing can be overwhelming and certainly confusing. And it's not something that a TikTok or an Instagram reel is going to give you some depth on.
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So if you're feeling that, we want you to know about our Investing Essentials virtual event. It's happening tomorrow. Dave Ramsey and George Camel together. We'll be doing the event here from our headquarters night one tomorrow, March 4th. It's a two-night event. So tomorrow and Wednesday, you're going to get two hours of teaching about maximizing your 401k and picking mutual funds.
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Also, you're going to get Dave's personal playbook on real estate investing. And he'll tell you how he's made hundreds of millions of dollars in property investments. Tickets are $199. Get yours right now, RamseySolutions.com slash events. RamseySolutions.com slash events. Or click on the link in the show notes if you're tuning in on podcast or YouTube.
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So this is a great event, two-night event starting tomorrow. And you're going to learn a lot. And I'm going to tell you something. If you're out there and you're going, I need more money in my life. Come on, Kim. Then this event is for you. Trying to get that munion.
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More munion. I want a bag of munion. You know? So that's the event. You don't want to miss that.
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I know this. I'm hip. I know these things. I just use words like that. I forget that people aren't as up with it.
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I know. I'm trying to stand on business, as you tell me.
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are you am i are you trying to stand on business i'm not sure if i know how to use that one i'm still working you hold that thought you what where is she going oh no james i'm not sure what's happening right shut up are you for real right now you just pull out a hat that says standing on business i got that just for you kim you stashed these yeah i knew the time would come when you would be ready to say listen this was not planned
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I'm telling you, I'm rocking that lid right there.
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All right. Well, I'm going to keep it on the entire segment. I'm not a fan of black and red, but I'm going to go with it.
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All right. Very good. Let's see how I do with this, James. This is all very exciting. I love so much of this. Let's go to Caleb in Salem, Oregon. Caleb, how can we help?
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All right. I'll tell you what. I think the best thing to do here, Jade, is to go right to Caleb's wife and what she thinks is reasonable. In other words, she wants to live some life. You don't want to have a life. So what is her definition of have a life? What does that include from a budget standpoint? And where does that challenge you? Let's get real about this.
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No. Well, you look great though. You're pulling off the 90s vibe, making me look cooler than I'll ever look just to be next to you. She's fabulous. She'll help you out with how to save the money, how to budget the money. I'm going to help you out with how to make more money. That's our combo today. You ready to go? Let's do it. All right. Kayla's up first in Jackson, Michigan.
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And the only debt you have is the home. Correct. Oh, bro, this is easy for me. I mean, you've got to find a way to make some more money somewhere else, because if it throws the family dynamic off as much as it sounds like, and they incur more expenses for child care... You could easily end up spending that $20,000 a year taking care of these kids.
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Yeah, so I would be patient, and this is happy wife, happy life, but this is also... To Jade's point, she got to it faster than I did, but this is a net-net. It's not like a whole bunch of wind for you, a financial windfall. So I would just be patient, man. You got a good joint income. How soon will you pay the house off if you just stay at the current rate?
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I'm exhausted. Can't imagine.
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That's good, George.
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And by the way, the young thing, I got married at 23. This is, you know, too young. All right, we've got to take a break. During the break, I'm going to share with George what I've learned about bread. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Hold on a second. Hold on. What was that? A severe case of what? Can't-say-no-to-wife-itis. Ha! Wow. I liked it. I thought that deserved, you ran through that too quick. Can't say no to wife-itis. Yeah. I've got a similar case. It's called can't say no to daughter-itis. My 16-year-old's got me wrapped around her finger. I really struggle. I don't think insurance covers those. Sorry, guys.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. So glad that you are with us. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Many of you listen to us, watch us, because you want to invest and invest wisely. And the reality is that investing can be very intimidating, certainly confusing. And you never want to take investing advice on a TikTok. You need to dive deep.
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And so to that end, our Investing Essentials virtual event is going to teach you everything you need to know. It's coming up March 4 and 5. Tickets start at $199. This is a two-night event, as you can tell by the dates. Dave Ramsey and George Campbell are collaborating on this event. You're going to get Dave's personal playbook on real estate investing.
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And George is going to do a deep dive as well. George, you want to give a little snippet?
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You were talking about all the complexity out there around investing. That's why I was telling you during the break about what I've learned about sourdough bread.
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Well, there's just a lot out there. What do you do with the starter? How much do you feed it? There's a lot of things out there.
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You can't rush the process. So there you go. I just want to tie all that in together there, George. See, I signed up. Beautifully done. You all need to sign up for this investing class if you don't understand it because it's a class. Let's just be honest. Two-night event, going to be great. And maybe George will tell you a little bit about what I've told him about sourdough bread. It's too risky.
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We'll see. Let's go to Minneapolis now where Jacob is waiting for us. Jacob, how can we help today?
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Okay, so you changed from what making what to what making what?
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It's a pre-existing condition.
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Okay. How soon will you be out of the schooling and then making nurse money, and what will that be? It should be December of 2026. Okay. And what will you be making?
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So a temporary step back in order to step forward. Correct. Okay, great. I got no problem with that. It's very strategic. Okay, so be more specific. When you said to George and I, I don't know where to start. What specifically? How can we help? Where's the area that you're not sure what to do next?
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Yeah. Great question. Are you familiar with our baby steps?
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And you're married? No, no.
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Okay, you said the girlfriend. Okay, I wasn't sure. I'm sorry. Okay. Wow. 25 years old and mom and dad are paying all your utilities. That's a sweet deal. It's a good deal if you can get it. I don't think I like it very much, but I think it's time to cut the umbilical cord.
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Okay. Oh, you're living with them. I missed that, too. Okay. All right. That makes a lot more sense. All right. There you go. Well, thanks for the call. I mean, you're on the way, and I love that you're thinking about the margin, and George gave you great advice.
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All right, let's go to John in Pittsburgh. John, how can we help? Hey. Hi, John. We've got about two and a half minutes. Hit me with your question.
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Tell me about the opportunity.
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Is it in the same industry?
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Great. Do you think that sets you up to continue to climb a ladder that you've sort of envisioned? You can see continued growth as a result of this move? Yes. It's a no-brainer. What would be the reason for not saying yes and calling us to get our take?
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If the horses weren't the issue or your wife getting a brand new job, would you be doing this automatically? Quick answer.
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I don't think that's the issue, George. I think it's... He's got bigger problems to fry. Can the wife... I think the biggest issue is this. Can his wife find a job doing something similar that she enjoys? I think that's the issue. The horses? Boy, oh boy. I'm not touching that one with a 10-foot pole. I will. Sell the horses. Sell the horses. Is that like a... Oh, I forgot.
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You've got a lot of controversy around that. It's called PTSD, Ken. I got it. Well... We'll talk about the equine population during the break. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. Alongside George Campbell, I'm Ken Coleman, 888-825-5225 is the number. All right, folks, for those of you who are aware of the baby steps, how you doing? How are you tracking along? If you want to take a quick quiz to check your progress and receive a personalized plan, we've got it for you.
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All you've got to do is go to the show notes, click on the link titled, Are You On Track With The Baby Steps? And complete the quiz. And there's some real value in this, George. Tell them why.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Friends, one of the greatest shows of all time. So there you go. How you doing on the baby steps?
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How you doing? Do they have a how you doing in Boston?
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Okay, I like that. What's up, guy? I like that. I like that. That's my Ben Affleck. That's fantastic. You did well, by the way. By the way, it goes with the bomber jacket. Thank you. I think the accent works. Very tough. Yeah. Let's go to Lynn in Madison, Wisconsin. Lynn, how can we help?
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Well, good news. We have got help to give. I mean, I can't think of two guys that are more helpful than us. So you're in good hands.
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Oh, I love disputes. Oh, it's between you and your husband.
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All right, let me ask this before we get going. Is he by chance in the room with you?
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I do, too, because I am now starting this new trend here, George. We've done this one or two times. We get both of them on the phone.
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Okay, we'll hear one side. All right, Lynn, let's go. Let's hear your side and his side.
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Oh, I'm fighting words. I like how you lead off here. We'll see if you're a Pharisee. Go ahead. All right. All right. Well, some quick background.
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You're a rock star. Don't mess with Mama Bear, Lynn. Listen, let's just call that out. That's hard work. Good for you.
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equally if we were if we divorced i wouldn't be saying like oh well we paid off the car while we were married so my cash paid that off or whatever it was none of that so what specifically what specifically is he calling hypocritical that i wanted a prenup just the prenup did he have any but were they fine with certain parts of the that agree you just laid out a list was he against all of those things
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All right. And how long have you been married?
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I'm going to ask a stupid question, George, that I think you know the answer to. I may not. Try me. Can you get a prenup post-marriage? Post-nuptial. You can. Yeah.
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So is it signed?
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But he just resents you for it. So why are you calling us again? So what's the dispute? This is all moot point, right?
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Yeah, we don't have like a blanket policy on this.
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Yeah, and had you called us before you got it signed, I would have said the same thing that George said, but I would have said I personally would not do one because I feel like a prenup is an acknowledgment that we could finish this thing and end this thing. and I'm not judging anybody that's been divorced. I want everybody to hear this. I'm not judging anybody, okay?
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I am blessed to come from – my wife and I both come from families where our parents have been married over 50 years. So we have a heritage that we inherit. We saw it. And when Stacey and I got married, there was no out. And we've been married 27 years, and there have been times it's been very, very hard. There's no out. Now, that's our position. I'm not prescribing that to anybody.
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I'm not proselytizing today. But I would say that I would have said ahead of time, I want you to go to counseling because you've got some very natural fears, Lynn. And I understand. I'm empathetic to go. If I were in your shoes, I could see where you could get to that point and want to protect yourself. You've been burned. But so is he.
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And I think that this should have been counseling on the front end. You should not have forced this. I'm going to say something crazy here. If it were me, I'd tear it up. And then I'd go to counseling. I think you forced the issue on this, and I think you've got to redo it. That's what I would do. Oh, boy. Here come the hate mail. This is The Ramsey Show.
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This is the Ramsey Show. Welcome aboard. This is where we help you, America, win in your life. We're going to help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. 888-825-5225. I'm Ken Coleman. He's George Camel. And he may have the best beard in all of YouTube. Now you're just trying to offend me.
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Yeah. You know I'm making this. stuff up.
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The fact that you fact-checked me on that is, you know, it's just a nice little... I appreciate that.
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I want to throw a little something positive your way. You know? I mean, it was a compliment.
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You couldn't receive it. I was just trying to say something nice about you. Thank you. That's very rare. Let me restate it.
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alongside george campbell the man with the best bomber jacket collection and all now we're talking content that's the ken coleman i know and love oh so you'll receive that one yeah okay i mean i can't grow a beard i can choose what i receive all right well i have agency you figured out by now we like to have fun while we help you out because uh there's breakthrough on the other side of these calls so let's get to it julie is in tampa florida julie how can we help today
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How are you, Julie?
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Oh, hey, you're talking to a pastor's kid.
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That's brave. I'm glad you made it through. You're here for a reason. What's going on, Julie? Lay it on us.
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I can feel the weight that's on you right now. I can, too. I'm really interested about what's coming our way here. Okay, go, Julie.
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This is The Ramsey Show, where we help you win in your life, specifically with your money, in your profession, and in your relationships. Alongside the incomparable, the delightful George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. Excited to be with you all. George, you ready to go today? It's a Friday. You're not mailing it in. No. I don't even know how to do that. I'm a millennial. Come on. I don't mail anything.
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Why can't you move out, Julie?
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What's your dad's plan? Okay, I'm going to go back to this. Hold on a second. I don't even care about dad's plan because we're going to get lost in details that don't matter. You called. You wanted our help. I'm going to ask the question again. Why can't you and your husband move out?
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Okay, I'm going to ask it a third time. I'm going to ask it a third time, and you're going to see where I'm going. Why can't you and your husband move out of your parents' house?
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Then that's what I'm getting at. Thank you, sir, in the lobby. He was tracking with me. It took three times, Julie. But listen, this is why you called. I hurt my parents.
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There it is. That's the real reason. That's the real reason. And you have a lot of respect for your dad. You also feel a massive amount of guilt. The heaviness that George felt at the top of the call is guilt.
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yeah well yeah i got news for you well i i got news for you you've done nothing illegal you've done nothing unethical no it just happened to me yeah yeah but you guys did some nonsensical things with the credit card money stuff was really but here's the deal your dad doesn't get to tell you what to do you guys have been married 25 years how old are you
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Are you holding your husband up? In other words, if you had already given him the green light, would he have already moved you guys out?
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George, I want to bring you in here. Here's the deal.
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You know what's going to happen?
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You know what's going to happen? You're going to end up hurting your husband while trying not to hurt your dad.
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Julie, Julie, Julie, Julie, Julie. You're taking on the weight of the world right now. Julie, stop. God bless you. I want to give you a hug. I don't want you to feel me criticizing you, but I want you to hear me.
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No, no, no, no, no. Listen, I'm not criticizing you, but I'm trying to be so blunt with you. Your husband needs you to support him. Yeah. Period. There is nothing else.
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Jake! Jake! Can you hear us? Hey, guys. How are you doing? Hey, Jake. Julie wants to support you, so you've got to make the man move now. We just talked to her about it. We told her. She's got to follow you. She wants to follow you, but she's also trying not to hurt Dad. So now it's time for you to go, babe, it's going to be okay.
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I'll support you dealing with whatever Dad's going to throw at you, but we...
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No, no, we've got to go. I'm so sorry. I've got a commercial break. I'm not being rude. Lead! Go get the boxes now!
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show alongside George Camel and Ken Coleman. And it's Camel and Coleman. That's a law firm you'd hire right there. Yeah, that is, isn't it? What would we specialize in, you think?
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I could see both of us doing commercials together talking about call us. You know, like that whole, it's so smarmy. Yeah, we'd be very smarmy.
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Um, Tyler is in Dallas, Texas. Let's go to Tyler. Tyler, how can we help?
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Well, why? You're projecting something. If she's willing to get a second job, the answer is thanks, babe. That's awesome. What are you, the knight in shining armor for the last deadbeat? You guys got to work together on this.
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Good. What's going on?
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Okay, great. So give us the pros of, we'll call it job number one, and let's go with, that's going back to your previous employer. Did I understand that right? Yes, sir. Okay, so give me the pros of going back there.
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So that's what you mean when you say the retirement's really good is the pension program?
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What's the second job? What's the difference in pay?
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Okay. And you're torn between this? I mean, this is a massive pay difference. The shift to me, shifts can shift. Sorry for being cheesy, but it's not like you're stuck in that shift forever. But my goodness, you're talking about the difference between $110K and $70K.
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Okay, so where do you want to end up? Now this changes the entire conversation for me. Where do you want to be 10 years, 15, 20 years from now? What are you doing professionally? I want to have my own business. Doing what? More than likely construction. And would the degree that the second option would be willing to pay for, would that be an absolute must to get into construction?
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I didn't ask you that. I didn't ask you that. So let me put it this way. My policy on any degree has always been and will always be this. Is the degree, I don't care if it's undergrad or grad, is it the only way to do what you want to do, or is it the best way to do what you want to do? So answer the question that way. No. Then don't freaking do it.
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It is wasted time, which is our greatest asset as humans is time. And it's wasted money. So, man, I just saved you a lot of time and money.
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I would not take the new job. I'd go back to the previous employer.
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Can we dig in the numbers, George? Please. All right. I'm going to facilitate. I love this. Because you're the money guru. All right, Rob, I want you to just walk George through a couple of the – let's just do the lowest, the smallest two debts in the debt snowball, and tell us what the minimum monthly payment is on those. Walk us through those.
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Well, I was kind of in the middle because, I mean, I've worked. No, you were not. You know it's impossible to be in the middle. There was a way that you were leaning before you made the call. Which way were you leaning? You couldn't get a hold of us, and you had to make a decision in two minutes. And you're on the phone, and they go, I can't get you in with Ken and George today.
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And you've got to give an answer. Which way were you leaning? Tell the truth. Probably the money. Yeah, because you've got a brain. And you've got people who rely on you. And the money in this equation sets you up better to be a business owner than this degree does.
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A lot of cushion, too. You need a fat emergency fund. You need no debt. And George, take it away on the pension thing too, because we don't want him just relying on that pension. I want to bring you into that.
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So George and I have spoken. You take the better paying job because of the long-term play here. And, man, I just want to reiterate this. There's a really handsome guy out in the lobby that was shaking his head when I was giving my little is it the only way or is it the best way degree thing. I want to just reemphasize that because I know that's new to people.
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And I have found, because I've coached 10,000 people on this very issue, Ken, should I get a degree? What should I do to grow in my professional development? And the degree, when it is the only way, it's a no-brainer. When it's the best way, it's still a no-brainer, but you may need to be patient.
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But this idea that, well, I can go get a degree, and they pay for it, and now I got this degree, and all of a sudden, This piece of paper, I can see it. It's a degree.
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It's a diploma. Yeah. And it does not guarantee success. And I just can't say it enough, George, because this comes back to Borrowed Future. This comes back to some of the podcasts that you've done. I mean, this is what you talk about traps in your book, Breaking Free from Broke.
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Let's go to college to get a job, to pay off the loans with a job. And it's sold to us as, it sucks, but you got to do it. No, getting a student loan or going to get a degree that you can't afford is not like going to the dentist. You got to go to the dentist. You don't have to go to college. And I just think that that's the cultural message here.
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And I think it's slowly eroding as we see the crazy compound of student loan debt.
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Can you not tell? Doing it so much, man. Wow. I'll learn more about your flossing technique on the break. Thank you. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Right, so what's your minimum payments on those? Uh, 58 and 133. All right. So now, now let's go the next level up. What's, what's, uh, the small, the thirds, let's go up this, let's go, you know what I'm trying to say? I'm struggling. It's a Friday folks. What are the next two, the next two debts?
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Yeah, I love the advice. Couldn't agree more. I mean, he's putting $500 a month in the Robinhood account. So if we just start moving that over as well to the truck. That's going to be gone soon. So he's going to knock the truck out quick, and then you start working on the house.
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Okay. So what are the minimum payments on the 2,200 and the 6,000?
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I like it. Thanks for the question. All right, back to the phones we go. 888-825-5225. Andrew is in Austin, Texas. Andrew, how can we help?
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This is just so warped, the way you describe this. I just think you need such clear and very high boundaries that are in stone, like concrete boundaries, not flexible plastic fencing boundaries. This is just so weird, and I think there needs to be a real clear, clean boundary established and walk away from this nonsense.
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Because this isn't just coming at you, they're coming at your sisters too, you said. So this is so unhealthy and so, and I use the word warped on purpose. you've got to make a clean cut for now and hope for healing, hope for something. But there's nothing you can do anyway. So them putting this guilt trip on you because they're desperate.
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And I don't want to be too critical, George, of the parents. It is warped. It's crazy unhealthy. But they are hurting, and they're desperate. And this smells of desperation.
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Yeah, I agree. That just feels so manipulative. Let's see if we can get Eric in. Eric is in Atlanta, Georgia. Eric, how can we help? Hey, how are you guys doing? Good. What's going on today?
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So, Rob, what I'm trying to do, what I'm trying to get George in here. George, I'm trying to show him. That's $600 in payments on the first three debts. I knew you would pick up the ball if I passed it to you. Do you see the real momentum here, Rob? We're talking about real savings quicker than trying to pay off the other cards. I mean, the high interest stuff. You need some momentum in this deal.
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There we go. All right, this is The Ramsey Show. We'll come up with a dating plan for Eric's life on the break.
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All right, folks, welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell is alongside me. You know, money and relationships are two of the most important parts of our life. And a lot of stress. A lot of conflict around those two areas. But you can win in your money and your relationships. But if you need some help, we've got a new tour. The money... And Relationships Tour.
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Very creative. I wonder how long the team spent on that. Sadly, they probably came up with 17 cool names and then decided, let's just make it clear. Yeah, the Money and Relationships Tour. It's Dave Ramsey and John Deloney hitting the road for six nights. And they're going to be taking on all topics. They're going to be taking questions. They're going to be kind of live and unscripted, unfiltered.
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A hidden gem. Anything we talk about, if you didn't catch it and you're on podcast or YouTube, go to the show notes, and we've got a link for you. All right. Jordan's up next in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Jordan, how can we help today? Happy Friday, guys. How are you guys doing? Happy Friday, sir.
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You said you wanted to do the HELOC for it. We get it. But we're just trying to help you get some momentum. The momentum is the issue. Dave has proven this for decades through people who followed it. It is about momentum. That's what we're trying to help you understand. George?
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You know, I heard all the news this morning. Got to get your quick take on it. What's that? There is now, there is a crypto bar in New York City.
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oh I have heard about this have you heard this yeah and I was thinking of you I heard it I was like I wonder what George knows about this so I guess I'll tell you it's the worst place to meet a woman because he won't find one in there yeah so if you just want to hang out with other crypto pros yeah Stuart Varney was asking this was on Fox Business Stuart Varney was asking his female co-host who was talking about it he's like can you pay for your beer with crypto and she's like yeah and she's like you wouldn't know how to do it you know so I guess Stuart has not jumped on the crypto train but very interesting
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Yeah. A crypto bar. I've got a dark curiosity. She said it's full of crypto enthusiasts. Oh, wow. So there you go. So my point is next time you're in New York doing media, I think you should go do that for TikTok and Instagram. Just do a little drop in.
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That could be fun. No, thank you. All right. Let's go to Sarah in Denver, Colorado. Sarah, how can we help?
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Wow, you're a money hero. Hold on a second. Let me put my cape over the chair here. There it is. There it goes. How can we help?
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I love that play. I'm starting to do that with my kids, and they're starting to pay attention a little bit. So I love that advice. Uncle George will come over. I'll show him the ropes. We need more Uncle George around the house. All right, folks. Appreciate you being with us. This is The Ramsey Show.
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There you go. That's a very good point. You don't even know what a stamp is. I'll explain that to him during the commercial break, but we're here for you, America. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Now, we're going to coach you on saving your money, investing your money, making more money. That's what George and I do together, and I warn you ahead of time, we have fun.
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Yeah. All right. Quick break. I'm going to try on George's bomber jacket, see if it fits. And we'll be back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. Thrilled to have you with us, 888-825-5225, 888-825-5225. Let's go to Salt Lake City, Utah, and Sean is joining us there. Sean, how can we help today?
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Okay, let's break that down. You set it up wonderfully. I need to get some facts. How much are you making now?
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All right, so let's just fast forward, and let's say you got the $125,000 in cash to cash flow becoming a physician's assistant, if I heard you correct. What would be your range of income as a physician's assistant?
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All right. Okay, so how long, if you weren't allowed to take out a loan, how long would it take you to come up with the money off your current income? You should make a pretty good money. I wrote you down as between $125,000 and $140,000 based on how kind of loose you were with that. So I think that's a good range.
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How long would it take you to cash flow your way, to come up with the cash to do it without the loan?
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Yeah. I was going to say, there's no way you're only making a hundred. I don't own. Go ahead.
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Okay, but we've got to solve the first problem. So, Sean, I want you to take a deep breath and slow down a little bit. I'm going to actually do all the heavy lifting for you and walk you through this, all right? So let me guide you through this. So the first problem we've got to solve is you want to get off the road of being a travel nurse. It's just a quality of life issue.
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uh this is serious stuff but we also have fun while we're doing gotta bring some levity to it yeah or else we get bored and uh we don't want that by the way great looking studio audience today here uh on the other side of the glass so we'd love to see you sometime if you want to come join and watch the show live we'd love to see you all right let's get started 888-825-5225 again is the phone number rob starts us off in hartford connecticut bob oh excuse me rob uh how can we help today
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I think that makes a lot of sense. That's the first problem to solve, not the house, correct? Correct.
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true that's part of it but yes for sure i know but i'm helping you by understanding what your priorities are so that's your priority so the the move for you is as well i'm going to take a pretty significant hit if i don't have the physician's assistant situation if i jump back just to traditional nursing i'm going to take a pretty big hit correct Correct. Okay.
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So we start looking at, okay, when we coach people, we want to help you come up with a decision. Let's not tell you what to do. And so we look at, okay, I'm single. I want to save for a house, and I want to get off the road, but I'm making really good money now. I do take a little bit of downtime. So which is the most important goal? Is it to be a physician's assistant and also make a round 110?
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Is that a huge priority for you career-wise?
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How old are you now? I just turned 40. All right. You're a young guy. Okay. So going through these priorities, Sean, I'm going to take the greatest opportunity that I have to stack cash. That would then allow me to set myself up when I am 60. So you don't want to be traveling nurse when you're 60. But you got 20 years to get that physician's assistant degree.
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So putting yourself in debt right now to me seems completely nonsensical. You know we're not for debt. You knew that when you called us. Right. But forget our philosophical beliefs about this. I don't care who you are. In your position, I just think you got to be a little bit patient. And just why put yourself in $125,000 worth of debt when in your case, you don't actually have to.
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You like your job. You're making really good money. George, I want to bring you in here because even if you weren't anti-debt like we are, it still doesn't make any sense given where he is in his life.
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And let's play time. That's right. Sean, let's play this out. You do what George just said. You're only two years of patience there. And then now you're stacking cash for the house.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, we've told you what we would do. We just want to save you that burden of debt. You just don't need it. Nobody needs debt. You really don't need it in this situation. Let's go to Scott in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Scott, how can we help? Hello, Scott. Hi, how's it going? Good. How can we help?
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Let me ask you this. What is it that you all want to know? Let's just assume that they were like, sure. What is it that you're looking to discover?
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Yeah, I appreciate the call, River. And again, you guys can do this. It is not easy, but it is simple.
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We didn't ask, but if you look at the data, Rachel... I believe the number is the average car payment in America right now is like north of $750. Yeah, a new one is $781. So let's just play off of that. So let's just imagine that his car payment is somewhere between $500 and $700. I don't think that's a stretch.
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That's a massive raise for a young man like this who's about to get married.
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If you split the difference, it goes $600. I don't have to take my boots off to add this one. That's $7,200 a year. $600 times 12. Yeah, you know, I don't have to use my digits. I can do that quick multiplication. I paid attention.
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I paid attention to that level.
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Sometimes I have to explain it during the commercial.
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Keep on flowing. This is The Ranch.
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All right. So that reveals the answer to my next question, Rachel, is going to be why. Why do you want to know what it is that you want to know? And it seems like you guys are trying to be thoughtful, strategic.
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I put in the current age of one. He may be thinking zero, but, you know, I just did quick numbers. Retire at 70, you only put $1,000 in, and you never contribute monthly. And on this number, you are getting an annual return of 10%. So I could drop that to 8% for the cynics. And let's see what that does. So it's a lot different. Two hundred forty five thousand. So there you go.
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This is the Ramsey Show. Welcome, America. We're here to help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships alongside the graceful, the fabulous Rachel Cruz, fresh off of her first inaugural ball, I might add. We might hear about that. We might not. She joins me. I'm Ken Coleman, and we're here for you. The phone number is 888-825-5225, 888-825-5225. 825-5225.
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But yeah, the question holds. Why don't more people do it? Because they don't understand compound interest. How many years have we taught that simple lesson of compound interest? And it's just most people don't even think about it.
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By the way, I adjusted the number to zero. I didn't know if the thing would let me do it. So a newborn baby, it would get to $1,065,261 at the age of 70 at a 10% annual return. So there you go. There you go.
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You know, I usually let the money personalities do that, James, but I feel pretty good there after a test run right there under pressure. I'm so proud of you.
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I'm having fun with this, folks, because if I can do it while hosting a show with my squirrel running around in my brain, you need to be going to RamseySolutions.com and start plugging it in. Use the investment calculator. Imagine how much fun you can have with it when you're not hosting a show while doing it. So it's great. I think that was a wonderful exhibition there.
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Madison is up in Phoenix, Arizona. Madison, how can we help today?
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Tell us about the look for work first, and what is your bridge right now as far as income? Savings you're living off of? Give us a quick picture.
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So I have... Have you been paying off your house through that emergency fund that you had set aside?
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Oh, okay. So what I'm asking you, though, is I'm just curious, that money you had set aside, had you been paying your house payment, paying it off or working on that up until this point through that fund?
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Well, no, I wouldn't be doing, I mean, we would tell you to slow down, pause everything. You've got to get some employment here. I love that you had an extra rainy day fund.
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No, paying it off. No, that's the right question. Madison, you don't have any income.
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Okay, you buried the lead. So you have $72,000 somewhere else? Yes.
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Okay. That's going to be okay. If you were to never touch that, by the time you're in your 70s, that's going to be a really nice number. Here's what I'm confused about, Rachel. Madison, why aren't you working?
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I understand it's hard sometimes to get back in the market, but to go 12 months with zero income doing something and you're whittling down these other two accounts, I don't understand why you're not working.
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What were you doing? What was the last job you had 12 months ago? I was working in the medical field. Doing what?
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Okay. My point is you don't sit around and not that you're sitting, let me rephrase that. You don't just keep applying and do all this. And if nothing's happening, you don't just keep pulling money out of the savings account. I'm proud of you and glad you had it, but you need to start to happen to life and life is happening to you. I don't understand what that skillset, why you aren't
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applying for multiple different types of jobs i don't care if it's a shift manager at home depot or at banana republic or i'm driving i'm doing something you have got to be bringing an income because i guess you don't need a whole lot like what is your what do you need to actually survive each month to cover your bills we only got about a minute so give me a real quick answer um i would say thirteen hundred dollars you need thirteen hundred dollars to to survive
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Go make $1,300 in February doing something. Now, I want to bring it back to Rachel to answer the bigger question. She's got $72,000 in the bank.
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$1,300. That's the great news.
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And you know what? There's lots of things that you can do. Hold on the line, Madison. Can we give her a copy of my book, The Proximity Principle? Read this and do this and go get paid. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show alongside Rachel Cruz. I'm Ken Coleman, and we're here for you, America. Thank you for being with us. Hey, we just had a wildly successful virtual event last night, and that leads me to tell you we are coming back with part two of what was a successful event last year. It's a two-night virtual event known as Investing Essentials.
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I think you've got to take a sign here. And I'm going to go back to my line of questioning.
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This is with Dave Ramsey and George Camel. This was a wildly successful event last year. Because people know that investing, Rachel, is very confusing. It's intimidating. And so in this event, we're going to cover everything through maximizing your 401k and mutual funds. And then Dave is going to give his personal playbook on how he invests in real estate.
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So this is not an Instagram reel with eight cuts and cool music designed to get you to click a link. This is a tried and true investing strategy that Dave has done for many decades. So that's also a popular part of this. It is happening March 4 and 5. So put that on your calendar or go ahead right now to ramseysolutions.com slash events, ramseysolutions.com slash events, and you can sign up.
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So to the best of your ability, you guys need to just run a scenario, feels like to me, where you go, all right, let's say they give us this property and that property. What would we need to know to be able to be prepared to make the most of that? Go ahead and run that exercise out. You don't need to know which ones.
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Tickets start at $199 March 4 and 5. So that will be fun. Love to see you there. All right, Bobby's up in Atlanta, Georgia. Bobby, how can we help today?
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Good. How are you doing today?
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Downgrade for her. Bobby, you must be a very convincing or charming young man. Maybe very handsome, too.
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Hey, real quick question, and we'll get down to the important stuff. What America wants to know, is the wedding in Scotland, and are you going to wear a kilt?
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25% is pretty good, though. I'll take it. And, Bobby, I know I'm not getting an invite, but if I was to be invited, the Coleman line of— The crest or your plaid?
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With the high socks, I'd commit to the whole outfit.
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Bobby, listen, I could be talked into hosting the reception. Email my team. We'll talk about it. We'll see if we can make it work. All right, Bobby, this is great. So you guys grew up, different money culture, the way you looked at it?
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Well, that's what he said.
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What's your question, Bobby? She's correcting me. I know where he's going.
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If you know the whole portfolio and you know that you could get, and I'm getting, let me just walk you through this. How many properties are we talking about total?
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Is debt a tool or is it a disease?
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Do they have money over there?
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So that fast-forwards everything.
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So now it's emergency fund, right out of the gate when you guys get married?
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What will your, what will your starting salary be? Do you have any idea?
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Let me tell you something. Atlanta, if you guys are anywhere near the Atlanta area, that's a big event town. So that's good news. It's good news for her.
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And they are owned assets. Go do your homework on those three properties. What is it that you feel like you would need to know if you were to come into ownership today? Whatever you told us your concerns were, go ahead and figure that out.
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I think she'll love the emergency fund concept.
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You know, like just big picture. I thought your advice was really great.
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I mean that to like, they don't need, they're already advanced in the baby steps in that.
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They're going to start at baby step three.
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And we build that. I think any woman, any human wants that safety. So explaining that concept to her, you're already halfway there, it looks like. And so the investing part that Rachel's talking about, I mean, and then saving for kids, college and all that stuff.
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I would just ease her into it, man, and just focus on the positive vision stuff because you don't have a problem that you're trying to fix right out of the gate. I thought it was great.
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By the way, a nod to our Scottish friends. If you look, if you're watching, see this green sweater I have on. You can't see below the desk, but imagine me in a blue and green kilt right now that matches a sweater. I think it would look great. I'll be honest. This is The Ramsey Show.
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This is The Ramsey Show. Thrilled to have you with us. We're here to help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Alongside the lovely, talented, and my friend Rachel Cruz, I am just Ken. But I am Kenuff, they tell me. Ken Coleman, your host today. There's a little Barbie reference. Did you catch that one?
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Yeah, I try. I try to embrace the pop culture as much as I can being middle-aged. All right, let's get right to the phones. Richmond, Virginia, my old stomping grounds. I used to live there when I worked for the governor of Virginia, in case you were wondering. Jake is there. Jake, how can we help today?
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He just swallowed really hard. Did you hear that? He was like, what?
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What do you mean by car issues? Can you be more specific?
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350,000 miles? What brand of car is it?
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It's been pretty good to me. I will tell you.
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Best cars you'll ever have. Yeah, I'm not trying to endorse it, but you hear that a lot. Of course, our friend George would say Toyota. No, Toyota. He doesn't know how to say it.
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I would say, Rachel, I'm glad we brought this up because I think this car is literally a moment away from dying.
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This is my favorite thing to do.
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I got used cars for sale in Richmond, Virginia. Are you in the greater Richmond area? No.
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that four thousand dollar car right around there yeah now it's a dodge we got to get the guy a toyota i'm not gonna give him a dodge avenger okay but but i but for crying out loud okay i mean listen some of these cars i want to make the point that it's not a complete beater here let me just this is worth okay here we go a 2014 chevrolet impala all right uh 10 years old 4 000 bucks $4,000.
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142,000 miles. It's a Chevrolet. Yeah, there you go. It's not the greatest brand in the world, but they're not expensive to fix either. That's true. It's America for you. And having Impala, it's a famous song, famous line. I'll let the audience figure that one out. But I know you don't know it. I'll share it during the break. It's too much to try to explain to you. It's an age thing.
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She just doesn't. She doesn't get it. But anyway, that's the example there. And I really am having fun with this, but people don't realize what you can get for under $5,000. Yes. And let's be honest, he's driving a turd.
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And so for four grand, you get the Chevy Impala. Is it good looking? I'm not going to lie to you.
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Yeah, I'm saying the Impala, the 2014 Impala is not a car that you buy for status. Sure.
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And we're on team Megan, okay, Megan? So take this the right way. I'm on your team, okay? They've made it clear for some reason, and I'm not a therapist and nor am I a mind reader, But it's pretty clear to me that they've made it clear that they don't want you involved. So they're feeling something. Whether you did something or not, that's not the point. The point is they've laid out a boundary.
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James, I got a snappy looking 2012 Mazda 3 Touring. Only five grand, 130,000 miles. And it's got a nice little blue color to it. You kind of feel good about yourself zipping into wherever it is you got to go. So again, I make the point. And a quick commercial break. I'm going to teach Rachel about this famous song lyric that involved Impala. And we'll be back. This is the Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back, America. You have joined the conversation here on The Ramsey Show alongside Rachel Cruz. I'm Ken Coleman. Excited to have you with us today, taking your money calls, your income, profession-related calls, because that goes together. Let's get right back to the phones. Madison, Wisconsin is where Tyler joins us. Tyler, how can we help today?
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And it doesn't matter why. We don't know and you may not know. But you need to respect the boundary because it's only going to create what Rachel is saying, some tension. So you need to go, you know what? A, they're not my parents. B, they've made it clear to my hubs that they don't want me involved. So you know what? I'm not involved. And that would be my advice from a relationship standpoint.
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Let this go. Because I can tell you that we can feel it on you right now. There's some angst that you have. You can hear it on you. Because this is irritating to you. And that's okay. But you've got to deal with that. Because you don't have any control. Rachel nailed that. So sorry, we can't give you a hack. I mean, other than hiring some former CIA operative who can get information out of them.
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Yeah, appreciate the call, and good job. Good job, young man. I mean, taking great care of your family, love that you got all that cash, and now you're going to be debt-free pretty soon. So don't talk yourself out of that. Don't let anybody talk yourself out of that. Rachel set you up really well, so really, really happy for you as you kind of start a new chapter. Really fun.
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Let's go to Columbia, South Carolina, and Kevin is joining us there. Kevin, how can we help today?
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How much money are you thinking about pulling out?
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What is your current situation as far as a home? Do you own your current home?
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What's the total cost of that going to be? You said $750,000 plus plus, or is it $750,000?
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Great. But because you still got earning potential, still got a really nice nest egg that will continue to grow. And this is a part of your retirement strategy. So for using the funds that way for a paid off house, I don't think there's anything scary here, but make sure you do your homework. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman, and Rachel Cruz is alongside. Thrilled to have you with us. Glad you're with us wherever you are, however you are watching. Let's get right back to the phones. 888-825-5225 is the number. Brandi is joining us now in Pendleton, Oregon. Brandi, how can we help today?
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You bet. What's going on?
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Okay, and what kind of income do you make there?
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$2,800 net. Okay. And Brandy, real quick, can you try to adjust your phone a little bit? I feel like it's a little muffled. Let's see if we can hear you a little bit better if you take a look at that.
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That's so much better. Thank you. Okay, and so we know what your take-home is, how much additional income... would be ideal, and I'm not talking some crazy dream number, but just this would give me some real breathing room to take care of the four walls. And let us know what that looks like.
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In addition to what you're making?
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Okay, so we want to go from $2,800 to $5,300. Okay, that's great. I love that you have that target. Is that an issue because of debt?
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Oh, okay. All right, so let me ask you this before we dive into the numbers, and Rachel's going to help me here as we get you out of this debt and all this. And I don't want to share anything you don't feel comfortable with, but what can you do, in other words, physically with your disabilities? Just tell me what you can do physically instead of going through what you can't do.
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What are you able to do?
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Have you looked at freelance work, because it's everywhere, in programming? Because that's your greatest skill, is the programming. If you were doing what you were doing for a for-profit business, not a ministry, my guess is you might be making 20 to 30 percent more. Is that outrageous, what I'm saying?
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Listen, I would be putting all my attention right now into freelance opportunities with your programming skills because that's going to pay you top notch for your time. Of all the things that you could do, and when we look at exchanging time for money, that's going to be your highest rate. You agree with that, correct? Correct. That's what I would be doing.
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Because when I look at that number of increasing your income by an additional $2,500 a month, that's what I would be doing. Now, I want to bring Rachel in.
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pay off all this debt um okay pause pause real quick let's hold on brandy hold on one second i want to make sure rachel gets this that i get this the home that you're going to sell it's not the home you're living in and it's in a different area is that correct yeah i have a renter in there right now um that's part of my income what do you stand to make if you sold that today what do you think you can make on that walking away
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And you owe your ex $12,500 out of the proceeds of that $110,000.
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Yeah. I mean, what went off in your head when you heard her say, they've made it clear that they don't want me involved? I'm just curious, your female intuition and also your professional intuition. What did you think?
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And these are serious topics, but we like to have some fun. We do our best to smile and coach you up because we want you to win. So it's going to be fun today. You ready to go, partner? Let's do it. She's ready. Megan joins us in Des Moines, Iowa. Megan, how can we help today?
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Okay. But I tell you what, this is great news. Brandy, I'm sorry that you're a single mama. I'm sorry you're going through all this. I'm sorry that you're dealing with these disabilities. But I wanted to encourage you. I'm so impressed. You're tough as nails. And I am so impressed. And I'm also happy for you. You're going to get out of this debt here pretty soon.
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I really believe that I want you to, if you try... And keep trying and keep trying to sell your programming skills. I think we can get to that money goal of increased income a lot faster than you. Here's my point. You can do that at home. And you know what I mean? And be around the babies.
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That's what I thought. Because then you asked her, and she said, fairly.
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not out in a car driving around and you're already struggling with some physical stuff bless your heart i just really would like you to try that there's so much skill set and experience that you have to offer to the world uh i would go that route and i mean aggressive and so i mean i would talk to anybody and everybody on social media in your network at the church you know wherever you're frequenting with the kids hey i'm a programmer i'm a single mama and
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And I'm looking to do some contract work. That is okay. There's no shame in that statement. And I think people will say, hey, I need some programming work. They may not be able to afford you as a full-time employee, but pay you an hourly rate.
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When someone asks me, if you ask me, do you have a good relationship with somebody, and if I drop fairly on you, Yes.
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So I would really encourage you to do that, Brandy. And we're rooting for you. Follow the baby steps. So excited to hear you say. Pretty soon, I'm in Baby Step 4, and what a legacy that is. Rachel, it breaks my heart for the single mamas.
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Toughest people on the planet.
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We're cheering for you, Brandi. This is The Ramsey Show. We'll be right back.
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All right, America, we're back after a quick break. This is The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Rachel Cruz is with me, and we're excited to have you with us. Phone number is 888-825-5225. And the real estate market, Rachel. I know your Hubs is in real estate, you know, Dave's in real estate, and you start thinking about where we're going in 2025. New year, what's going to happen?
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I don't think it's great. It's certainly not great. And I think there's some problems.
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What's the Fed going to do? How does that affect this?
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And, you know, it can be really crazy. If you look at the 15-year fixed mortgage rate, for example, it's fluctuated between 5% and 7% for the past few years. And most experts are predicting this is going to continue for most of 2025. I'm seeing that as well. People kind of think, well, we're going to kind of be in a holding pattern.
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And so while today's rates might feel high compared to what some of us have seen in our lifetime, I've seen much higher, and obviously we've seen much lower. But historically, 7.5% is a historical average. So we don't want you to be sitting there trying to time the market if you're financially ready. And you can afford the monthly payments. Now is a great time to buy your home.
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And so to learn more about the trends and get real help as we walk you through what to do as you're thinking about buying or selling, go to RamseySolutions.com slash market. That's RamseySolutions.com.
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I mean, might be a long time.
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But I can hear people right now that want to make sure we address their concern.
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Trump pump. In the first couple of years. We might see kind of an interesting, chilled out, little easy roller coaster this year. Little up, little down. But I think it's going to be very interesting to see in year two and three of his administration.
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What will consumer confidence look like? I don't have a crystal ball, but I just have a feeling.
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Well, what happens with regulation? What happens with tariffs? You know, what happens when you start to see more supply come on the market? Will builders, you know, will there be more lower income? And I don't mean that, I'm sorry, not lower income housing, but will we see housing starts come in at a much more affordable rate?
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All of these things are affected by sometimes macro policies that do, in fact, come out of the White House. So it's going to be interesting to see.
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So hang on. But the point is, if you're ready, jump in now, and we're here to walk you through it. Kevin is up in Riverside, California. Kevin, how can we help? Hello? Hey, Kevin, you're live on The Ramsey Show with Ken and Rachel. What's going on?
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Can you break that down for us real quick? How much is the mortgage debt?
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And now break down the rest of the debt for us.
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But I think they can get there. The reasons why, I think they can plan for it either way. You know what's fun? People call us like this. They want to know what we think. But you know what? We want to know what our audience thinks. We have a new audience coming in all the time, growing audience. And it's really important if we're going to serve you that we hear from you.
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And so how much debt? So that makes up the whole $655,000 if I'm doing quick math. Am I right? I'm sorry, I'm trying to move us along, Kevin. How much debt does your wife have?
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And you guys have separate finances, it sounds like.
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Okay, so what's the real need? We know what the problem is. What can we help you with today?
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So our listener survey, it's an annual thing we do. We need to hear from you. We really do serve you well. We want to hear from you. So tell us what you like, what you don't like, the whole nine yards. Be nice to Rachel. You can be mean to me. It's okay.
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All right. I'm jumping in because we got about two minutes with you or less. You're not being selfish. In fact, I would say you're being selfish if you're not working 80 hours a week. And is your wife collecting a salary? You said we both work for the family. Is she getting paid to be at home?
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So great. So you need to be working like crazy.
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Well, but again, if you can get out, even if it's a break-even, she's right. You saved yourself $3,700 a month, which you need.
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Uh, text the word survey to three, three, seven, eight, nine, text the word survey to three, three, seven, eight, nine, or go to Ramsey solutions.com slash survey. And you can click on the link in the show notes on your podcast app or YouTube. And here's the deal. If you sign up today to tell us what you think you're entered to win a $500 gift card. So there's a little bonus of motivation.
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All right. We want to hear from you, America quick break. And then you hear more of us. This is the Ramsey show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman, and Rachel Cruz is joining me. We're here for you, America. You got a question about your money? You got a question about your income? That's what you got today. You got two people who love to weigh in on that, and we work together to help you. So, 888-825-5225. That's the number. Let's go to River. Now, see, that's a great name.
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If my name was River Coleman, I'd be far more credible. You know what I mean?
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I have a lot more Instagram followers as well. But alas, my name is Ken, but I'm already jealous. River in Columbus, Ohio. River, I'm jealous, but happy to talk to you. How can we help?
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Just the student loans and the truck?
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Okay. What do you want to do? What are you aiming for?
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And the reason I ask the question, I'm not trying to solve that problem right now, but I am trying to figure out what can we do to get more income? Because that's a part of this equation.
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You're very limited right now. And that's a part of this equation.
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Okay, so help Rachel out. She'll walk you through this, but I know you guys are engaged. What is your debt? What is yours? Is yours $155 or is that both of you? That's together. Well, but you guys aren't together. And so just to help Rachel separate what your debt is versus the fiancé's debt.
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Okay, I got that part. I misunderstood. Okay, got it. Never mind. All right. So we got the breakdown.
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Sounds like you've tried, and they're not interested. So I'm not sure that there's some unique strategy we're sitting on top of, because it sounds like they're like, look, you're fine. We'll let you know when we're gone. Sounds like to me.
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Midday. She's midday. She's 9 to 6. There's no money in that industry at this point.
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With very limited opportunity.
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So, River, is she one, and by the way, do I understand this and support this? Yes. Is she one that goes, I want to take my shot and I want to go to New York, LA, I want to be in a top 10 market one day. Is that her thing? Is she really ambitious for that? Is that a clear goal?
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Okay, then. So here's my point. So if I were coaching her one-on-one, I'd say, all right, so you do have to stay in the game. However, you are going to have to work other jobs, do some freelance publicity, do something when you're not on set to increase her income. She's got to at least look for a 25% to 40% bump through some type of industry-adjacent work in this season.
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I wouldn't recommend she drop out if her goal is to move up in market. Which, by the way, that's how you make more money is you go from Columbus to San Diego, San Diego to Miami.
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That is a hang on and be really, really good at your job.
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That's not the title anyone is going to ask the hell I want to die on, but I appreciate that. That's a nice title for somebody as nerdy as you are. You have a segment called Talk Nerdy to Me. That's true. And all of a sudden you're too cool for ambassador of amortization? You're right. All right. So 500 bucks in gross pay. It's 500 bucks. So George, I say I would not counter.
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And Ella, I love your confidence, but again, you got to understand the risk. of why I think that's not so wise. It's one thing if you say, I've got the engineering degree, and you cite that in your counter. You go, would you be willing to get me to 90? Here's why. I've done the market research, and now you've got some proof. All you have to stand on is, I'm a year out.
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And I just, you don't want to counter when you don't have a good case. And in this situation, George, I don't think she has a good case. What do you think?
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I like that, George. But I like that, George. But I would only add to that, I think I like that a lot, actually, George. But I would add in there, is there a path for growth to that? Because I'm a year out from having the engineering degree. Would that then put me in line to get me up to 90? Just getting clarity for what it would take.
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That's a very different posture because you're asking a very thoughtful question you're not countering. So I actually am going to go, I'm going to yes and myself and say that I like how George came in there. I think that's the tactic. Because it at least opens the conversation. They realize they know where your head is at. You've done the market research. It's valid.
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I think that's a really good setup. Congratulations. Thanks so much. Yeah, let's celebrate that. You got to be celebrating the big bump.
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All right. Really proud of you. That's super exciting stuff. Don't spend it all, George. Lifestyle creep is real. There it is. You got George sitting on your shoulder. I'm watching.
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All right. Coming up, we've got a little break. And during the break, George and I are going to talk about his favorite gluten-free treats. That could take a while. And then we'll be back. This is The Ramsey Show. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. George Camel is alongside. And, you know, it's amazing when you think about this show and the footprint it has around the world and here in the United States. Over 30 years, the show has been going and it started on a card table. Before there was a show, there was a business idea that Dave Ramsey had in he and Sharon's living room.
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Really looking forward to how this is really going to change the game for so many people. Build a Business You Love by Dave Ramsey. All right, Jeff is up in Atlanta, Georgia. Jeff, how can we help today?
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Okay, I have questions. Okay. What is the, and I don't want to, I want to be very sensitive in how I ask this question. What is the spiritual or religious, actually it's not spiritual, I'm going to call it, what is the religious reason that you cannot invest in the S&P 500?
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Totally caught up now. Okay, because I had not heard that before, but I get it. So tell us what you're thinking. I want George to be able to hear this. What would be your diversified stock strategy?
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Yes. Let's get that out of the way. Now, George is going to tell you how. He's going to show you the specifics, but let's start there. Because if you don't believe it, Christina, you're not going to receive it. You feel me? Oh, that was good.
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Put that on a stitch pillow or something. There it is. I'm already in the Hallmark category, and we've only been on the show three minutes. This is unbelievable. I should probably quit while I'm ahead. George, explain it now. She believes it.
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yeah to follow your religious beliefs jeff i've been listening in here george i think has given you terrific advice here and you keep pushing back you keep you know and it's like look if you want to take that on george think that that's a lot and and i would assume because it's so much it also has a lot of risk involved with it that's what i'm hearing from you so my pushback on this to you jeff is um
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You can't have your cake and eat it too is an old phrase, and I think it applies here. You know, I really respect anybody that lives their life on a set of religious beliefs, and what that really is is about conviction. But in order to live a life of conviction, there will have to be sacrifice. There is no, I don't care what religion it is.
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You could take the entire world's religion, and all of it requires sacrifice to follow it. So you're already violating your religious beliefs and your 401k. Those are your words, not ours. So as I listen to this, listen to George, I mean, I think I would take those other funds. What'd you call it?
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I think that's the sacrifice you have to make.
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And so that's just my take, Jeff, because I'm actually honoring what you're saying. And I think you've got to follow that fully or not at all. I don't think there's a midway there. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. Alongside George Camel, I'm Ken Coleman. So excited to have you with us. Great studio audience today. It's packed. On this Friday. I got to tell you, if you ever want to get to the Nashville area, we're in a suburb, Franklin, Tennessee, you can come watch the show. Three hours. And we've got this just beautiful, beautiful studio.
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Free coffee, cold beverages, baked goods. I mean, it's just fantastic. And we love meeting folks. So great studio audience today. Big thanks to them. All right. It's time for our question of the day here on The Ramsey Show. It's brought to you by YRefi with YRefi. You can take control of your defaulted private student loans with a plan that works with your monthly budget.
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I have never felt so VIP in my life. Folks, I just looked inside George's every dollar.
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What's that? Did I see? Is that gifts for Ken? Did I see that?
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Now you're speaking my love language. Pickleball equipment. I'm in. There you go. All right. Very good question, by the way.
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Oh, look at that. Good timing, guys. So George is actually showing the article right there. I like a little show and tell. I'm telling you, I'm trying to make you the John King of the Ramsey Show. It's a crusade for me now.
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I think you've got the gift. I do. All right. Good question there. Really fun. By the way, I want to make a quick mention. Anytime we mention any resource, article, a product, anything on the show, it is always linked in the show notes. So you can come back to it. That's a huge thing for me. Treasure trove.
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Wow. I love that. That feels very Friday to me. We're talking gateway drugs to financial freedom. Hello. All right. Jennifer's up next in Buffalo. Jennifer, how can we help?
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This is your moment. You got George right here, George. Oh, boy. What are you going to say, George? Well, I got to wait.
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$260,000. Oh, yeah. Oh, listen, I got to tell you something, Jennifer. Several people in our live studio audience were a little put out by that information.
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There we go. Will that do? Christina. I feel like she just won a game show. There it is on the screen for those of you watching on YouTube.
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I've never seen him this angry, Jennifer. I am livid. I'm not kidding you. That's about as high test as George gets, all right? The guy is just very chill. He's very angry. I could punch a hole in some soft drywall right now. You know what? You're starting to worry me. I feel like I'm pouring fuel on the flame here. Relax a little bit. All right. I apologize. All right.
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You bet. Well, great hour. George, I got to say, you were on fire. The nitro cold brew hit at just the right moment. Is that what it is? I think so. Okay. Do you have any kind of prescription anxiety meds that you take? Just nitro cold brew. That's all I need. Let's get another cold brew in here. Somebody. I don't feel safe. This is The Ramsey Show.
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This is The Ramsey Show, where America hangs out to have a conversation about your money, your work, and your relationships. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell is with me. The phone number to jump in is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. 2-2-5. George, you ready to go? Another hour? You got your V8, your cold brew? How'd you know? I mixed them together. It's quite a concoction.
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What it means is great financial advice, I got to tell you that, from the best beard in all of financial shows.
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Robert's going to start us off this hour in Auburn. Robert, how can we help?
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Hold on, Robert. Speak clearly into your phone. We're having a hard time hearing you, like maybe you're muffled. Let's try a different angle.
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That's a little bit better. So you woke up this morning and you look outside and the car is not there. Yes. Was this a shock to you? Was this shocking, or did you expect this?
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This is the Ramsey Show, where America hangs out to have a conversation about their money, their work, and their relationships. The phone number to jump in is 888-825-5225. Alongside the incomparable, the always Natalie attired, George Camel. I'm Ken Coleman, and it's going to be a fun show today.
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How much do you make in a week? What's doable look like? How are we going to come up with that? Can you share that? I'd like to know.
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And I'm talking, I'm calling family members, cousins, uncles. You got some patio furniture you want to get rid of? I'll sell it. I'd be flipping stuff. I can't hear you at all, Robert. You sound like you're inside of a roll of toilet paper to me. It's what it sounds like. No, my fiance won't let me sell the furniture. Uh-oh, there's a fiance involved.
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Is she broke, too? Not as much as me, not right now. I don't mean this in the way it's going to sound, but we've got to forget about her for a moment and what she owns. We're talking about what you own and what you can sell because you've got to come up with more than $2,500 because the $500 you got isn't going to stretch very far for what else is going on in your life. I've got a feeling.
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Don't do it. Lady on the front row is like, what did he say? We should have avoided this debt. I get it.
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four thousand dollars there you go oh boy therein lies the problem i see what i see what you're saying you're just trying yeah you're still going to be stuck with this debt but again right even if we play this out with your logic and your question you still don't have any cash if you buy a car for five hundred dollars that's like fred flintstone's car all right you know what i'm saying like that's not a car you're better off getting a bicycle right how are you getting to and from work
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Well, there's your next thing. You got four days off? You don't have a spring break. You need to be working today.
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I mean, you need cash. You don't need to be breaking.
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It's a Hail Mary. You got to work like crazy. And we told you that for two minutes and you hit us with, I'm on a four-day spring break. No, bro, you got to change your whole intensity right now. You are working like crazy. You are selling everything. I'm not kidding when I'd call Uncle Larry and go, Uncle Larry, you got any patio furniture you don't want?
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I might sell her engagement ring to get out of this, to be honest.
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So, Christina, we're going to flip the question on you. Are you ready to answer it?
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And if she loved me, she'd go, all right, this is what we got to do. Oh, boy. He's got no car. And if you keep this up, George, he's going to have no fiance. This is The Ramsey Show.
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Okay. Christina, is it too late for you and your husband to retire with dignity and lots of freedom?
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell is with me. The phone number for you, America, is 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. So, you know, we always tell you, call that number. And we're going to get to one of these in a second here. We've got a sorry we missed your call where people can leave a voicemail.
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So I want you to know that if you call sometime and you can't get through and you leave a voicemail, we like to take some of those calls. But first, it is tax time, George. And got my meeting coming up. And I'm all set. Love my tax pro. Feeling good about it? Yeah, because I cannot be trusted. I would agree. I cannot be trusted even with... You're not a man of minutia.
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Now, you and a lot of our listeners can be trusted with Ramsey's SmartTax. This is 100% accurate tax software that saves you up to 80% compared to other popular softwares. It's powered by TaxSlayer. So, I mean, it's a big time... It's legit. Yeah, big time. They've been around for 50 years. Yeah, and they've been there forever. But I just got to be honest, it's not for me.
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Because I've got to have a tax pro. So you've got these options, but for those who like to save even more and they just know you've got a world-class software. Yeah, if you've got a simple situation.
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If I chose, this is built for me. RamseySolutions.com slash SmartTax. RamseySolutions.com slash SmartTax. Okay, let's get to, this is really fun. Sorry we missed your call.
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All right. Thank you, Chris. I appreciate that.
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The money is coming out. And going into the 401k account before you've taken the taxes. Exactly. So that's why that is a benefit and that's how that works.
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That's it. So now this was the win that you needed in your sales.
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Yeah, I love that. Appreciate it. That's a little bonus talk nerdy to me, I feel like. It is. But let's be honest, you're only a quick pivot in any call from Talking Nerdy. You're true. I can make it. I could just pivot at any moment. I mean, that's your nickname, George Talk Nerdy Timmy Camel. Amortization King. No, Ambassador of Amortization. Thank you.
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You've got to have the alliteration going on. Assistant to the regional manager. That's right. Exactly right.
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Here's your phrase, okay? Here's your phrase for today and the rest of this weekend. I want you to just say it to yourself or say it out loud if you don't mind being cheesy like me. You ready? Okay, yes. There is no shame in my game. Say it. There's no shame in my game. There it is, George. Fantastic. By the way, James, I got to point out, I want to brag on my colleague here for a second.
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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show alongside George Camel. I am Ken Coleman. The phone number to jump in is 888-825-5225. And I'm told that Kristen is on the line in Erie, Pennsylvania, and she's a Baby Steps millionaire caller. We love these. Kristen, how are you today?
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Loud and clear. Do I have the facts straight? Are you a Baby Steps millionaire? All right, tell us, what's your net worth?
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Nice. And can I ask you how old you are? It's not polite to ask a lady how old you are, unless it's this kind of format, but I'm still going to ask.
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Come on. Love it. Love it. So we got a 55-year-old millionaire. Okay, fantastic. Very fun.
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So it sounds like the next step for you guys might be upgrading in vehicles because, boy, you did not sound excited and I can't blame you. That Sonata gives you bad feelings.
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I like when you throw the investment calculator on the screen for people that are watching via YouTube.
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uh i think you could be the john king of the ramsey show wow that's high praise i want to get you out of that chair james i want to see can we get him on a board oh yes where he's like he's like now let's go over here i'd like to say i think you could do let's see what's going on in this county over here if we zoom in you're yeah
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Yes. Oh, I like that. Because we... It's like the twisted tea. You did some things out of order? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We'll forgive you. It's not your best beverage. Well, way to go. You guys are impressive. Interesting. Really, really fun. I love the story here. Really love the story. All right. Can it be done? That's the question.
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Some young people out there, young Christians listening in, why can it still be done?
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And I'm talking about, for people to know what I'm talking about, real quick reference, that's John King on CNN. He really made the election night screen where he goes in, the touch screen, and he goes in and he goes back and forth. And now every network has their own John King, but I think he's the OG. And it's not a political statement for those of you that hate the network that he's on.
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Way to go, Kristen. Really thank you for sharing your story with us. I'll tell you what she just said there at the end would make TikTok melt. You know what I mean? Because I see so much of these young people just literally freaking out because six figures isn't enough to live on. And so if I can't live on that, no one can live on it, then woe is me, the sky is falling.
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And here she is saying, you don't even need to make six figures. So that's a very counter social media message, but it happens to be the truth.
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I hope so. By the way, I got to come back to something you said. You dropped a dime on us and it bears repeating. I think you said run your own race, build wealth at your pace. Oh, I don't know. You might have dropped a bar. I think the kids say you do inspire me just by proximity principle.
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That's all I'm going to say. Good stuff. Quick break. We'll be right back. This is The Ramsey Show.
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You've got to qualify everything these days. I know, I know. But he's good on that big board, isn't he? No, that's true. I want to see, we've got to figure out how to do that.
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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. So glad you are with us. I'm Ken Coleman. George Campbell joins me. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Hey, are you staying on track with the Baby Steps? If you want to know, take a quick quiz to check your progress and receive a personalized plan just for you.
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All you got to do is head to the show notes, click on the link titled, Are You On Track With The Baby Steps? And you can complete the quiz. That's a great little prompt and helper for you. All right, back to the phones we go. George is in Cincinnati, Ohio. George, how can we help? Hey, how are you guys? Good. What's going on today?
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Okay, so we can call it $210,000 combined income soon enough. And does she have any debt?
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All right, let's do a quick – because a lot of people are watching and listening right now that absolutely – They resonate with Christine and her husband. So I want to go back to the start of that call. And I want you to break down the psychology there of what really happened in those few minutes with her.
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And what are you projected to make after residency?
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All right, imagine that timeline, George's timeline that he just gave you, and then you come into making $400. Geez. I mean, how does that feel? Yeah. How does it feel? Think about that for a second.
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You're trying to lower the monthly payment. I get it. But my point is George just gave you a two-year plan.
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Yeah, I love it. I think that's great. Let's see if we can get Alexander in here in Colorado Springs. Alexander, how can we help?
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Okay, all right, all right. That was good. You pulled that one out. It was a little melancholy, and then you gave me some positivity at the end and rescued that. That was great. What's your question? We've got about three minutes. What's your question?
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All right. Well, let's stop talking about it. What's B?
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So you've got an opportunity on the table and offer to get back into that.
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What are you going to make or what can you make in that role?
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Okay, but what are you doing the rest of the eight months of the year?
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Well, I think this is pretty straightforward, George. Alexander, you give us two options. You don't even like option A, so I automatically usually lean with the person because there's good reasons. You don't like the job. It doesn't seem like it's going to pay as much as option B, the pest control. Is that true as well?
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I'm going to take option B. Let's go option B. I feel great about that.
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It sounded like she won the prices right. She literally, yes, it was a high-pitched reaction, which was really guttural in the sense of, what? I mean, it was almost one of those deals.
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Find the work you're wired to do. It's got an assessment in it. I want you to take the assessment and then read the book. It's only a 45-minute read. It tells you what to do with your assessments because you need to be figuring out in the short term what to do in those other eight months. I like what you threw out there. When I hear someone say, I want to build my team – I like that.
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I like the sound of that, if that means mo money for you. But let's also be thinking, anybody who likes going door-to-door, selling pest control services, my man, you're a freak, and I mean that in a good way. Because that is somebody who can handle rejection, George, and that person is unstoppable.
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So I've got to say, Alexander, you figure out what you really want to be selling, a product or a service that you can get fired up about, and, my man, you're going to be very wealthy with that ability to handle rejection like you can. I mean, you're something else. So get after it, young man. Get after it. I love it. All right, George Campbell, great hour. Always fun to be with you.
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Nice reference on the Broyhill dinette set. It lives rent-free in my head. But the reality is I don't think people realize how quickly and how effectively compound interest works, and you just demonstrated it.
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And I can tell you, the audience out in the studio, I can just tell these people got the juice, George. They're excited to be here.
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Oh, I love it. Great way to start the show today. Okay, we've got to take a quick break. During the break, George and I will talk about our favorite dinette sets, and then we'll be back to take more of your calls.
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It's a live wire out there. And a particularly good-looking group, if I might observe. And we've been called by many people the root beer float of the Ramsey Show. George thinks he's the root beer. I'll stay with the vanilla ice cream. That's fine. I'm lucky to be a vessel. I'm just happy to be in the discussion. I'd be the paper straw in that root beer float if I could be.
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Thrilled to have you with us. I'm Ken Coleman. My pal George Camel is with me today. It's the law firm of Coleman & Camel. You've seen us on bus stop benches. That's exactly right. It's 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Kyle is up next in Kansas City, Missouri. Kyle, how can we help today?
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Well, the honor is ours, sir. What's happening?
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All right. Well, this is great. You couldn't come to a better place. I'm going to warn you. When you cut up your credit card with scissors, there is an automatic beacon that is sent to the credit card companies, and a very burly gentleman with large shoulders will call you. He will speak to you in very unfriendly tones. He will threaten you. And it's a thing.
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So you've got to be willing to deal with that. But if you're willing to deal with that, then it's fine. Okay. Kyle, I'm joking. Kyle, I tried really hard to be sarcastic. Did you catch that at all? Did it miss the mark?
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I was kind of trying. No, so here's the deal. In all seriousness, nothing's going to happen. In fact, the only thing that will happen is that you will feel completely free now because there's something about cutting credit cards. And I don't know if you know this, but for years, Dave would have people cut their credit cards on the air. People would send Dave artwork.
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In this building to this day, we have artwork of framed credit cards. In fact, we just took a picture with a guy who had a credit card cut up in multiple pieces during the last commercial break and framed it.
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No, no balance. And you're not going to need it. Tell him why he's never going to need it.
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They're not even going to know that you cut it either. I think you legitimately are scared. I love your honesty. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to give you the opportunity to cut this card right now on the air. Oh, you have it with you? Do you have some scissors?
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So we're going to have a good time today. George is going to help you with budgeting the money, saving the money, getting out of debt, investing money, and I want to help you making more money. That's my play here at the Ramsey Show. So we do that together, and we have a lot of fun. You ready to go, friend? I'm pumped. All right, let's get to this.
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I've got to say, America wants to hear that. If you can rip it with your teeth and get the cell phone right up to the mouth. Do you have an emergency fund to cover the dental bill after that one?
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You can do something fun with it. You can shoot it with a gun. We've had people do that. We've had people, I think somebody put it once in a wood chipper. Oh, that was fun. I do remember that. There you go. Very Fargo. But you need to have fun with this because the credit card company is not going to know. They're not going to know. There's no impulse that's sent. I was joking.
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It was a horrible joke. What company is it? Can I ask? He really believed that. Did you hear him? He was like, oh, man, I don't want that at all. I have it with Capital One. Oh, perfect. All right. I'll let him know. I'll tell you who gets an email. It's Jennifer Garner, and she's very sweet. She's going to lose it. She's going to be very upset in Hollywood.
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Somewhere in Hollywood, she's going to get a little email. I love it.
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Sure. Hold on a second. Will we allow it? I'll allow it. All right. George allows it.
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Now, you and I are under the gun. We're going to have that big burly guy calling us for what we just told him.
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We should rat him out. Narc. That's what we'll do. Let's go to Orlando, Florida, the home of the happiest place on earth, apparently. Ella is there. Ella, how can we help?
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So let me make sure I understood you. You just got a really nice offer. It's an internal transfer, same company.
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Christina starts us off in San Bernardino, one of my favorite places to say. Not stay, George, but to say San Bernardino. That's a fun, fun place. Let's get to Christina. How can we help today?
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And it's a really nice bump. How much of a bump for you?
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And what are you thinking to counter and why?
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All right, well, there's the piece of information that I needed. I want to see what George says. Because you don't have the engineering degree that these other people have that are at that higher rate, I don't think I would counter here. We're also talking about $6,000, and I've got my ultimate expert of amortization beside me here. You're the ambassador of amortization.
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Your pocket's too small for me to fit in. I'm a small man.
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That's a good woman. By the way, let me just ask you this. How long have you been familiar with Dave and his teachings and what we do here? Since I was probably 12. All right, I want you to finish a sentence for me, okay? You ready? Sure, sure. Live like no one else so that later you can...
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You worked really hard. You worked really hard to get to a point where you can buy a $35,000 Benz. And by the way, your wife has worked really hard, too, and she deserves to go on date night with you in a car that you don't have to pedal like Fred Flintstone. Hey, there he is. Did you hear that laugh? That's the first time on this entire call I felt like we got the real you who wasn't so uptight.
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Well, what's so funny about that is that's not far off from what I'm driving outside of the bins.
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I know I don't look like this guy. Do I come across really dumb? Because when you tell me you got two cars worth $10,000, those are Fred Flintstone cars. I didn't have to do a lot of deduction, my man. And so she deserves better. She deserves better. If you want to drive a piece of, if you want to drive a turd on wheels, then that's up to you. But she doesn't deserve that.
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Can we agree it's Valentine's Day, for heaven's sakes? I agree. I agree with you. Relax. You worked really hard. It is impossible for me, George, to conceive of a scenario where Landon does something dumb with money.
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Yes. You sounded like a monster for a second, but now we got you back. Okay.
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Speaking of letting go and living life, George, how do you eat a biscuit? What do you put on your biscuit? One bite at a time. Oh, really? Yeah. No butter? No jam? I'll do a little butter. No jam? No honey? It's like a chicken biscuit? What are we talking? I'm asking you. It's your biscuit.
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Tell us a little bit more. Someone sold you a house that they were not legally allowed to sell you? What happened?
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But he wants to 10X that 30. Jeez. 30 grand to 300 grand in one year? Go to Vegas, my man. I was going to say. Hit the craps table. Good luck. Highly, highly prospective investment. It's a quick turnaround. Yeesh. My question is always with these.
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I like it. I think we need a new segment called George Quotes the Bible. I would love that, actually. I think that would be great. I thought you did a good job there. The guy calls, leaves a voicemail, and you drop some proverbs on it. This is my encouragement to you. His name is Travis.
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What's your business? Tell us a little bit about it.
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Yeah. That's all I needed to hear. I just wanted to know what we were looking at and what the investment would do, and I would not put the business investment in front of saving for the house.
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Especially in the hospitality industry. There is immense risk in starting a restaurant. Yeah, let's see how this deal works out. Tell him to be patient. It feels like the call that George, I mean, excuse me, the voicemail we just answered. I think this is a patience deal on the professional side of things. He's got multiple partners. Those at times, that can be tricky.
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And he's already got some real money, and I'm guessing some sweat equity involved there. Let's learn. Let's see if that proves to be successful before he chases another rabbit. There's an old phrase, if you chase two rabbits, you lose them both. And I think that would be the advice I would give your hubs there. Let's move forward on a stable plan to get a good house.
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George, tell them what we want them to do on that house.
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Well, you're working. You're working your tail off. But you're not working in the business with them. You're not in the business. What has his range of income been since getting involved with this partnership and this restaurant? Do you have a couple years of numbers for me, like what he's been making?
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What's the high mark, then? What's the highest he's made?
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Okay, listen to me. Okay, now I'm going to go older brother, and I may be old enough to be your dad for crying out loud. I would not be in any hurry to get in a house at all. I would be saving. So the advice doesn't change on the baby steps, but I would just be renting until you guys figure out what the future looks like on this. He's not making much money at all.
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He should go be a line cook in the kitchen and make more. My goodness, he could make more working at Walmart. I know. So I really don't want you thinking about a house until we see his income get a good bit. I'd like to see him close to double that income and get some stability there, George. Yeah. Because I just don't want you – here's what happens.
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You get into a house that you think, okay, this is going to be right, and then something goes wrong, and you guys are out of income for six months, and he's starting from scratch. That is scary business. And making $35,000 gross, it's going to be hard to afford any mortgage with that, let alone rent. Yeah, you guys can't. And it's going to be a long haul on savings.
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So go ahead and settle into the long haul. And you all need to figure out a better income situation if this thing doesn't start to turn.
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All right, George, today's question comes from Ava in Montana. She writes, I'm 25 years old and my husband is 40. Because of the age gap, I'm concerned about my financial state if my husband passes before I do. We both work in church ministry and earn $80,000 combined. We have very little retirement or savings. I have a $350,000 whole life policy on him, and the premium is $200 a month.
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My fear is that if he gets a term life policy, his health will decline later in life and prevent him from getting it renewed. I want a guarantee of long-term income, but at an affordable rate. Is there anything available that could work in my situation? Well, George, you're Mr. Insurance. That's what they call me, Ken. I mean, that's what we call you around the office.
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You know, I see him across the way, and I go, there he is, folks. Is that my personal brand? Mr. Insurance.
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uh i do have a weird affinity so this is kind of your thing i'll just say the whole life needs to be dealt with immediately get rid of that and uh get a good term life policy that's going to put him well into his 60s and at that point you guys should be fine if you do what we teach as it relates to investment george tell her what she needs to know so let me go through this systematically number one the 350 000 policy is not enough
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And I'll give you a real life example. I'll use me as example. Now I know that anybody that looks at me on the show, you know I'm a picture of health. I mean, I get that. And I look a lot younger than my 50 years. I also understand that as well. Especially if you see him on the pickleball court. That's exactly right. I'm very spry. Very spry for a 50-year-old. He is supple and nimble.
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Supple and nimble. Thank you very much. But, you know, I've got three kids, and they're all teenagers, and a wife and two doodles. So a lot of responsibility on me, you know what I'm saying? And just to really give you a real-life thing here, I renewed mine, got a better deal because I was in tip-top shape when I got it probably, I don't know, eight years ago.
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That's going to carry me through to where, again, Stacey would be fine if something happens. In fact, she'll be so fine, I'd be looking over my shoulder. I might have to sleep in another room. Dick Van Dyke's done. Keep one eye open. You know what I mean? However, and then the kids would be fine too. That's all you need for his situation is to get that retirement going.
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and really see that compound interest. You need to call our friends at Zander Insurance because I've done this now, and Zander, it's one-stop shop. You call them. I want to get good term. They're going to take care of you. They'll compare pricing with the top companies. Compare pricing, get you the best deals, and they guide you as to what you need.
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We've worked with Zander forever, and so make that happen right now. Absolutely. Right now, and it's so cheap. I don't think people realize how affordable peace of mind is. Yeah, it's not going to be $200 a month.
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And now you can eat as many biscuits as you would like, George. I'm good. Because, you know, your wife and daughter are okay.
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Well, what's keeping you guys from making progress? Just not enough income and you've cut everything you can cut and you just still don't have enough income to make progress?
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So would this move... So you gave Georgia and I, I think, three scenarios, right? Correct. Which one of those three scenarios allows you to cut... Expenses, but also provides an opportunity for greater income. Both at the same time. Which one of the three options or however many you gave us?
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Yeah. Rule of thumb for you, Ashley, and everybody listening or watching, I wouldn't make a major life change unless it has both short-term and long-term benefits. because there's a lot that goes into a major change, and major change when it's good in the short term and sets me up for what I want my long term to look like. That's a no-brainer.
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Outside of that, no, I'm going to stick and hustle and dig my way out, not just pull the parachute.
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So why are you having to file bankruptcy? I get what we just heard. I'm now understanding that, but it feels like a lot of people dropped the ball and it was before you. And so this has got to shake out somehow. So what have you done so far? What do you know? What do you not know?
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I just like how you did the little wordplay so as not to technically endorse somebody. Now I want a chicken parm is the problem. Yeah. Shouldn't have said that. Yeah. I won't say which one, but some of those commercials are really obnoxious and some are kind of funny. Oh, the marketing's great.
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They've gotten into a real, it reminds me of the days when I was growing up when it was like the beer commercials were really competing to be which ones were the funniest. And I feel like we've got the big three insurance. They're all really pouring the money into celebs, a lot of funny stuff, trying to be funny. Yeah, you got Jake, you got Mayhem, you got Flo. That's it.
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You would be a great insurance salesman. I appreciate that. I think I could see you as a spokesperson doing that in your little cute bomber jacket there. Thank you for saying that. Because you're very trustworthy. You're a small guy, but you've got a very, very serious beard. Well, I'm not intimidating.
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Okay. Neither one of us are. I dug too far for the compliment. I hit rock. Neither one of us are intimidating. You run into us in an alley and you kind of take a sigh of relief. Yes, absolutely. They're like, oh, there's two little guys right there.
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Let me walk you over there, sir, right this way. You were like, you instantly went to a spin, a point. You gave him an aisle number. Absolutely. I like that, George. So I'm...
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unbearably helpful that's what my wife says at least if you're ever looking for me at a Costco and you think it's me first ask yourself is he near a sample because if it looks like me and it's a sample line it's me Stacy's doing the shopping Ken's doing the same that's exactly right that's what's up that's how it goes all right let's head out to the phones Brooke awaits in Syracuse what's going on Brooke
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You as well. Oh, happy Valentine's Day, Brooke. You're the first one to say that to us. First one to say that to us. We were starting to get our feelings hurt a little bit, but thank you.
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Yeah, uniquely unsuitable for a child. I love your emotion on the Mustang. Let me guess, the Mustang convertible is your hubby's car.
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Good for you. So I financed it. You wanted to let your hair flow, huh? Come on. On the way home, whoo! Your little Tom Petty free-falling.
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So this wasn't a resale, somebody else living in it. This was a builder built this essentially as a spec house on that property.
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Oh, of course. Do you have a good lawyer?
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Hold on a second. Okay. Now your lawyer's dragging this out?
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Why is it not sold yesterday? See, here's the deal, Sarah. I'm listening to this, and George will keep coaching you, but I'm jumping in. I'm getting fired up on your behalf. I like how fired up you're getting, George. It's hard to tell between when you're calm and when you're fired up, so it's really got to be discerned. Well, I'm often irritable, you know. You are.
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But what's going on here is not the irregular income. You kind of presented this call as, my husband's got an irregular income. By the way, George and I do as well. So you're actually talking to two people that this is how we are paid as well. And so your issue is not that. Your issue is you're overspending. You're not living within the means, whether it's regular or irregular. That's the problem.
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Mary, Mary, Mary, it is time for you to get real seriously mad and get going with it. Fire the lawyer now. You are getting jerked around like I've never even – I can't remember the last time I heard a story like this, and I feel bad for you, but you are going to have to stand up and fight. So the builder screwed you. The inspector screwed you. Sounds like your lawyer is screwing you over.
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And so what happens is because you put all this stuff that you couldn't afford on credit and you got yourself in so much debt, the irregular income makes it even more stressful than it would be if you had it coming in every month.
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So I just want to make sure that you are acknowledging this or Hubs needs to acknowledge this because if he's holding up the sale of the Harley, then you guys got to have a real sit down here and go, this has got to stop. But the irregular income is not your issue. It's the behavior. And to George's point, you better go make some more right now. Sorry, George.
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But even that's a secondary action. You didn't even hear anything George said.
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He works hard to finish that sentence. I want to hear this. He works really hard. Keep going.
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I don't care how great your toys are, when you're miserable underwater with debt, you don't love anything. Right, true.
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Let me ask you a quick question. Five second answer or less. How happy would he be if all that debt went away tonight?
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Well, then why don't we aim on that, people pleaser?
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And you are the common denominator in this. And I hate that this is happening. But I got to tell you, George, if I were in this situation, I promise you I'd have the builder begging for mercy because he is liable. The inspector is liable. And your lawyer is a scumbag. I could go take care of this in court, and I could get a law degree out of a Froot Loops box and take care of this situation.
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Cars. You're doing great, by the way. You're okay. I mean, look at us. I mean, we don't scare anybody. So just deep breath. You're going to be fine.
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I'm more pissed off than you are, Mary. This is America.
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I'd go to the local news. They love this crap.
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All right, so here's what I want to know. So after the charts and graphs kitchen moment, we'll call it, what did it look like going forward? How committed were you? What was the most extreme thing you did? Give some people out there that are listening and watching, give them something to hold on to. What'd you do?
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A lot of home cooking and food beans, yes.
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Oh, my gosh. Okay. Mary, all you do is make excuses for why you're getting abused.
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Did you stay at a decent hotel? We did. We did.
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Oh, good. I didn't know we were in the hotel recommendation business. No one consulted me. I'd like to see what has been published. Because I got an opinion on hotels. I'm what they call bougie, I'm told. I love that about you. I don't know what it means, but I'm told that's what I am.
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Please. Please do. Okay. All seven of them. Here we go. All seven. Okay.
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That's special. From the kitchen fights to a debt-free life. On Valentine's Day, no less. A debt-free screen. Is there anything more romantic than fiscal responsibility? I don't know. I've got to believe Cupid was debt-free. You've got to be. I almost said Cupid.
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But hey, how does he pay for those arrows?
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Yeah, it's great. And I was only going to add one thing, Michael, is that not that I'm thinking you're going to, but I think this is the human condition. I agree 100% that I would put the $20,000, the additional after he's done everything else, the emergency fund. Don't let that burn a hole in your pocket. And that's an old phrase.
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When I was a kid, your grandfather would give you 50 cents or something, and then don't let it burn a hole in your pocket. What does that mean? It means hang on to it. Don't spend it right away. And I think for a young couple, certainly this young, you get 20 grand there.
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There's a lot of people that will talk them into using the 20 grand right now to get in a house as opposed to be patient, let that 20 grand be an awesome start. and really build a really big down payment. Oh, absolutely.
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But you know what I'm talking about. There will be no shortage of people that will go, oh, take the $20,000 and only put this in small. No, no, no. Sit tight on that $20,000. Build on that $20,000 would be my advice.
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Oh, this is a fun one. I like this. Tell us more. Tell us how much profit it is spitting off in rental or have you not started renting it yet?
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So what were you making in a year for renting that?
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I'll tell you what I would do if I were you, because the house is not worth an enormous amount. It's not going to, I mean, how much more is it going to keep going up over 10 years, George? You know what I mean?
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I wouldn't even float the payment. I'd be sitting in the banker's office, the lender going, I'm not paying you a cent because all of you are going down. But after I got a lawyer who had a brain and who wasn't going to take advantage of you guys. Yeah, I think A1, find a new attorney. New attorney with a backbone. Somebody who wants to destroy somebody. Because this is wrong.
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And they're not keeping $10,000 because you guys got expenses on that house. So for those reasons, George, for those reasons, Paige, I, if I were you, would sell the house and knock that mortgage of your actual home in half. I think that's going to put you further ahead financially than actually keeping the house.
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I just don't see that that house is worth that much long-term versus your current home. And your current homes were double. And you're going to be able to roll that in time like George has done. George Whitney have done that recently. And so that's what I would do if I were you. I'd sell the rental and put it all towards your current home.
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Do you have a brand new bomber jacket? I always try to impress Ken with my wardrobe. I feel like this is one I haven't seen before. He looks impressed. I love it. It's a good look.
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We have actually really good looking. I was looking at them before the show. It's a pretty good looking group of people. You say it like it's rare, Ken. Well, it is rare, I'll be honest. But today, kid, we've got a great-looking group out there, full studio lobby. We're going to have fun today. That's what George and I do. We're going to coach you, but we're going to have some fun.
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Okay. You're driving an older car for the other car, correct? Dave would have said, you should have bought a nicer car.
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All right, let me ask you a quick question, Landon. You seem like a very even-keeled, level-headed person, so this may be difficult for you to answer. But have you ever acted out of emotion before and realized that your emotion was wrong? Sure. All right. So your emotion is wrong on this Mercedes. Well... Your emotion's wrong.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You started off and said it was all emotional, and I just destroyed the emotional argument on your behalf, by the way. And now you want to go intellectual.
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So, you know, this stuff doesn't have to be dour. As I say, if we don't laugh, we cry. And by the way, I've got to say one other thing on the bomber jacket. It matches your beard perfectly. Ken, I need to just carry you in my pocket just to compliment me.
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What year is that Mercedes and how many miles? 2018, it's about $85,000. Yeah, it's totally fine. I drive a used Mercedes as well. If you take good care of it, it'll last forever. It's a little bit more expensive to keep up. Yes, but you've got it. I mean, listen, you've been shooting all over yourself and you need to stop.
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Keyword should, just for those listening who weren't sure what Ken just said. I know exactly what I said. And we all tend to should, but I'm using it very purposefully. My therapist tells me this. It's called double entendre. Stop shooting on yourself. I should have done this and I should have done that. That's the idea.
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And so you can sit there and play that game and talk yourself into another $5,000 car. Sounds like you've got two $5,000 cars or somewhere in that range. So you do whatever you want to do. You can take the car back. And if that allows you to sleep better, but I think you're not addressing what's really going on. And what's going on, George, this is more your lane than mine.
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Although I understand it. I just think there's a deep rooted shame in this.
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I don't think it's fear. I think it's shame. I think he's got shame over this. And I think you've got to confront that. Did you grow up with money, Landon?
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And I'm going to bite my fingers until they're completely gone to not go on a rant today about what I think about these tariffs, but I will let that alone for today, I think. Let's go to Michael in Charleston, West Virginia. Michael, how can we help?
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Let's see if we could keep that income going doing something else during the summer. You've got to look. And Jill, I can hear it in your voice. You're one of those, you're the true doubting Thomas from the Bible. You've got to see the scars. And George laid it out for you, so you're going to have to try this stuff so you can see what he's saying.
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Because even as he lays it out, you're having a hard time believing it's possible. But I've sat with him long enough to know he's right. But you're going to have to try some of this stuff. So I'm really going to push you in two other areas. I really do want you to see what you can make in the summer. Let's see if we can max out the summer. Can we make $9,000 in the summer? Let's set a goal.
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Let's look. Could I transition from the traditional teaching world into a different role? Because I've counseled so many teachers, George, you know this, on my old show, The Ken Coleman Show, where they didn't think they could do anything but teach. But you can. Those skill sets. You are an instructor at heart. And you are an instructor by trade. That's really, really valuable.
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So if I were to just tell you to kick the tires on looking at corporate training, for instance, I think you should be making somewhere between $75,000 to $100,000. Wow. But you won't see it if you don't look for it.
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summer gigs like that that's what I've been doing I know but that's that's bottom of the barrel you're worth more than that I'm trying to get you fired up a little bit you know I'm trying to be your cheerleader in the locker room because if you head out on the field acting like you are right now you're going to get beat by a hundred
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You've got to come out of that locker room like you're going to destroy the other team. And you need to come out of this thing going, I'm going to actually do what George told me to do. And that's just the beginning. And I'm going to absolutely win. And if I've got to move, I'm going to move. But you need to happen to life, Jill. I think too much of life is happening to you.
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You haven't looked for it. You've got to get your head up. You've got to start looking. You've got to start talking to everybody. Hey, I'm a teacher. This is the skill set I've got, George. I've done this for this many years. I'm looking for this kind of work here. And you've got to look for it. You cannot find it if you don't look for it.
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And looking for it means I believe if I look for it that I'll see it. Come on, Jill. Let's go. Happened to life a little bit here. Coach Ken. Man, I need to bang the locker room, blow a whistle or something.
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Lisa from Milwaukee is up next. Lisa, how can we help?
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This is The Ramsey Show, where America hangs out to have a conversation about life, specifically money, your professional career, and your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. 888-825-5225. Currently holding his stock position and sitting alongside me is George Campbell. Welcome, pal. Can I be honest, Ken? I haven't even looked at my 401k. I have no desire. It's a good decision.
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We're rooting for you. I'm telling you, the clock and George Campbell got the same consistency. I'm ticking. Going to hit the mark. Speaking of taxes, you know, we are up against that favorite time of year for most Americans. Got to get those taxes in. And... That sound right there in my hands, I've got some myths about taxes I want to run by you, George. Okay. You ready? Hit me.
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Myth number one, a tax refund is free money. What say you, George? That's a real gear grinder for me, Ken. Okay. I don't understand.
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I'm going to get kicked into another bracket. Dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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All right. Myth number three, keeping debt for tax deductions is beneficial.
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You're just trying to rile me up, aren't you? It burns your biscuits, doesn't it?
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All right. Myth number four. The team hates the paper crinkle.
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But I think the audience loves it. America said yes. They do. Pay by tax day or don't pay at all. That's a funny one.
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Unless you look good in stripes or orange. Hey, that's not me. Okay, neither one of us. Neither one of us. And finally, myth number five, you're not smart enough to do your own taxes. Now that one, the jury's out on that one. Well, now I'm not. So in this situation, that would be reality, James. I would go to jail accidentally. Because I'm just bad with details.
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All right, so I'm glad we went through that. It's painless. It is. And so many people make bad decisions around taxes. The one that kills me is the idea that I'm going to go spend money. In order to get a little tax relief. Oh. You know, we hear that one a lot. That didn't make the myths. But you know the idea is, well, I've got a business. There's a lot of business owners.
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So I'm going to go out and spend a bunch of money. So I can deduct it as an expense. Yeah, as opposed to saving it or investing it. It's not a dollar for dollar deduction. Doesn't that drive you crazy?
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Sure. Can we just ask what happened? Did you report this to the law? Is there anything working on this?
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Where does that come from? Where does this notion come from?
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It's the last thing America needs right now. Well, to be fair, George, you're so even keel that most of Americans can't tell when you're raging versus when you're relaxing. And I envy that, my friend. You're as steady as they come. Thank you. Steady Eddie, they would have called you back in the day. I'll take that. You ever heard that before?
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I like to dive back into the way back back every once in a while. Yeah, I'm still in touch with the 50s. It's back when you can hit a vending machine and make some pop just roll out. Pop? Yeah, that's what they call it. I'm going to get you a can of pop. Thank you.
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Uche joins us next in Alexandria, Washington, it says here. All right. I'm familiar with the Virginia. I didn't know. All right. Uche, how can we help?
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Oh, sure. Well, I'm hoping that he's going to be arrested soon.
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Okay. In the meantime, we've got to help you with this $530-some-thousand.
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What is your relationship from the amount of hours you're working to schooling?
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Okay. How much more do you have, schooling-wise?
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I'm going to throw this out here because I want to hear what George's take is, and I'm not actually recommending this. I'm just wondering if we don't think about pausing school for a season to get through this.
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You're so tight right now, and the degree will still be there, and I just wonder if it's not a good idea for you to spend, let's say you spent half the amount of time that you're in school working an extra job, Thank you.
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Okay, so what are your monthly expenses, and then are you able to cover those with your medical?
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I don't know that I've ever seen a question more teed up for you.
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Go to everydollar.com slash webinar, everydollar.com slash webinar. Macon, Georgia is where Alan is waiting for us. Alan, how can we help today?
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Well, don't beat yourself up too much. You don't know us and yet you decided to call us. So somebody close to you said, Alan, call these guys. Am I getting this right?
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You're like, fine, a year later. A year later, I'm desperate. I'm going to call these clowns and see if they can help me. We'll do our best, Alan. We will do our best. Give us a little bit more detail here on the real problem.
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That just makes my head hurt listening to that entire sentence.
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Hey, Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan, you're making too many excuses as to why you're stuck.
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Yeah, that's absolutely right. You can be making $20 an hour stocking shelves somewhere at this point. You've got to get really intentional. This whole I'm an idiot act, it's a function of if I can be very straight with you. You're making a lot of excuses, and George is right.
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You presented us with $12,000, which in the grand scheme of things, my friend, is not a lot of money to pay off if you have intentionality. In other words, a much better paying job, and then you do what George tells you to do to pay it off. The debt mathematically is not your issue here.
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Walking through how he gets out of this, Alan paid attention like you've never paid attention to anything else in your life.
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And Alan, let's change the label. You're not an idiot. You're a good man. You're a husband. You're a father. You're a hustler. Pick a label, own it, and go happen to this situation. George just gave you the game plan. I'd be listening to that car in the next five minutes. I hate to admit this, but I don't always eat right.
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In the lobby of our Ramsey Solutions headquarters here, just across the studio here, through the glass on the debt-free stages, Rachel. Welcome, Rachel.
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All right, and you're here to do your debt-free scream, I'm told.
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So exciting. Okay, give us the data here. How much debt did you pay off?
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All right. Way to go. And what was your range of income during that time?
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Oh, nice. And was the bump due to side work or just a raise at your job?
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Okay, I was going to say, that's quite the side hustle. That's impressive. I was about ready to be blown away. On a whim, started a gym. Yeah, fun stuff. All right, so take us back to 14 months ago when you started this journey. What led to this?
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Now, how'd you hear about what we're doing here?
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I got to ask, I don't want to belabor it or stay here too long, but when you had this conversation with the boyfriend and you said, I realized I was going down one path, I wanted to go another path. Did he come along for the journey or was he out? No.
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Okay, so he was supportive. Yes, he is. Okay, good.
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Shout out to Ryan. Your good boyfriend, sounds like to me. Yeah. So was he on the debt-free journey, too, or did he not have debt?
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Wow. Good for you. A little potpourri of debt there. So what did it look like intensity-wise for you when you jumped all in to knock this debt out? What were you doing? What cuts did you make? Give us a sense of what the journey was like.
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Boom. I got a feeling that that's not abnormal for you. Are you one of those people that sets a goal and goes and gets it? You're like a super achiever?
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I love that. Where does that come from, do you think?
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Yeah, and I've got to point out for our audience, the viewing audience can see this on YouTube if we can lock in, but Rachel, you've got some customized jeans, which I'll be honest, normally I'm a little bit worried about, but I think you nailed those. Walk us through what's happening there.
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Did you self-teach or were you already taught in the art of sewing?
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And we think Ryan's going to finish his race soon. Yes. When is he expected to be debt free? Do we know?
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Do you think he's going to pop the question? What are we talking about? We'll see. You don't know? It's not that serious yet? I like putting pressure on the young man, George, because he's not here.
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He's actually not there. Sorry, Ray. George, look what you did to her. I'm sorry. All right, so one of the questions we'd love to ask those who step on that stage, who have finished this journey, is what was the key for your particular journey to get debt-free? What would you say that is?
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Good decision. I'm riding it out. I'm Ken Coleman. We'll be with you together. We always have a lot of fun together. George will take the lead on your money questions. I'll take the lead on your income questions. That's what we want you to do. And for heaven's sakes, let's address the elephant on the map. Not in the room, George. We just got to say, hold. Hold, hold. Don't freak out. Chill out.
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Speaking of being cheered on, we see mom over there. Besides mom, who else were some big cheerleaders for you on this journey?
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And I think you've modeled this. I want to remind people as they're listening to your story, it's so much easier to say no on the debt-free journey. No to all the friends. No to all the invitations when you've already said yes. to getting out of debt, and yes to this process. You make that decision first, the no's become a lot easier.
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I'm just saying that for all recovering people pleasers like myself. I mean, that's so key. Love your story, Rachel, and it can be done. What would you say to young people who think maybe it's not possible to pay off $65,000 in 14 months?
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Well, you did. You knew what you wanted, and you stayed true to it. We're so proud of you. Thanks for sharing your story. All right. The moment has come, Rachel. You've worked so hard for this. Rachel from the Dallas, Texas area. She paid off $65,000 in 14 months, making $105,000 all the way up to $115,000. Rachel, you know what to do. Take it away. It's time for your debt-free scream.
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She did it, folks. I love it. She is debt free. And normally we have Mel Gibson screaming from So We Need You To Do Your Best. Freedom! Very good, George. That's as good as it gets. All you need is some blue face paint. There it is. There we go.
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I want to see you go to Goodwill and get yourself a pair of jeans for less than $10. How about that? That's what I want. That's your homework assignment this weekend, George. I'll leave the embroidery to Rachel. Good choice. Good choice.
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All right, let's get to Doug, who is joining us here in Nashville. Doug, how can we help?
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You're giving George blood pressure issues, Doug. Just setting that up, George is having a reaction over here.
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um plausibly i could do something from home i guess it's probably a little lack of um confidence too i've been a stay-at-home mom since i was 24 so well you've got a good personality uh you've got good common sense uh your brain's working fine and you need to be working for momentum sake it's not about a ton of money that you need but it's about momentum across the board
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There you go. I hope he follows your advice. I think Doug's on the fence. I really do. I think he's trying to make it all work.
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No question. It makes really good money. Yeah. No need to play this out the way it played out. But again, this is what happens when we do calculator psychology. Do you know what I mean? We start going, well, if I wait three years, if I hold on to it, then I get, you know, and you start trying to calculate a thought to try to bail yourself out as opposed to actually bailing yourself out.
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Like you can't, you know this, George, you write about this in your book, Breaking Free from Broke, but people get into messes because they're trying to shortcut wealth. And then they stay in messes longer because they're trying to shortcut their way out of it. It feels like we got too many shortcuts. And this was, as I was just sitting here listening, he's trying to shortcut everything.
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Somebody had to be the voice of reason over here.
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Oh, no. This is me and Jade at 80s night on the Ramsey Cruise. This is a core memory for me now. I did not know this was... So, now, Jade and I are both attempting to warm up. You'll notice she's warmer than I am. I look very stiff and uncomfortable, honestly.
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I want you all to listen in. Do you hear that cackling, woman? That's my wife. She thinks this is funny. Audience of one. Now, this is all ad lib. Watch this move. There goes the fish hook. There I am. Oh, my goodness. Jade has caught the tuna.
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I was going to say that's one way to describe them. There's no moves at all. I didn't want to encourage it, but I just thought this is too good. Well, I feel like I should give some context to this. I did not set out. James, for that to happen. To win a dance battle? No, no. I was tagging along with Jade Warshaw and my wife, Stacy.
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your shoulders will go back a little bit more. Your head gets a little higher as you begin to see that I can take care of myself. And the good news is if you do what George told you to do, we also want you to go see a smart investor pro in your area or two or three and have them explain how they're going to help you invest that money.
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They were Thelma and Louise, and I'm just, you know, hanging around. And all of a sudden, Michael Reddish, our dear friend, he's on the mic. He goes, all right, we've got two Ramsey personalities here. Let's get Ken Coleman and Jade Warshaw on the dance floor for a dance-off, at which point I was already defeated. Jade's got more soul in her pinky finger than I do in my entire body. Amen.
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I'm just glad that we were under maritime law because you could have gone to jail for what you did on that dance floor. By the way, that's a shortened version of the video, the full video. I won it because, James, I dropped down and did three push-ups with a clap. So when I came up, I was able to clap, and that won the crowd over with my physical fitness.
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It's too much for young men to see. Put the women and children to bed.
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And then your confidence begins to grow and you can still climb back here. Thank you for calling. This is the Ramsey show.
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Well, it's because George is on. He's very intimidating, but I'm going to be here for you.
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Don't look at your 401k. Don't look at the headlines today. Today's probably a good day to just play board games. You know who's having a good day? All of the news outlets who are getting a lot of views from you guys. Very excited.
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I want to see you actually, I want you to look outside the teaching world. I really would like to see you try it. Just look at it. Just see where you could take your experience and skill set and make a sizable chunk more. And then I also think while you're looking at that, you ought to be looking at some good money-earning opportunities in the summer.