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Stuck in a Financial Pit? Here’s How to Climb Out and Stay Out

Tue, 07 Jan 2025

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00:15 - 00:38 Ken Coleman

Welcome to the Ramsey Show, where we help you win in your life. We're going to help you win with your money, win at work, in your work, and win with your relationships. All three of those are coming together. Hopefully you're winning. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is the voice. And the fabulous face that you see next to me. And we're here together. We're going to help you out.

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00:38 - 01:00 Ken Coleman

Take your phone calls. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Partner, you ready to go? You warmed up? I'm warmed up. Did you do your salt cleanse on the throat or any kind of lozenge? Stretch the hammies. Okay, warmed up the voice. Okay, I like you stretched your hammies for sitting here for three hours. That's pretty good. We're going to start it off in Springfield, Missouri with Isaac today.

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01:01 - 01:01 Ken Coleman

Isaac, how can we help?

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01:04 - 01:30 Isaac

Hey, guys. So I'm 26. I'm married with two kids, and I own a business that we just opened back in June. It's really taking a lot of time from us. My wife and I are both working at it full time, and we're not making much money yet. And so we're just kind of stressed about bills and stuff. We're kind of wondering how we can organize our lives better to be able to make more money and move forward.

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01:30 - 01:32 Jade Warshaw

Okay. What kind of business is it?

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01:34 - 01:39 Isaac

So it's a franchise that a friend of mine and I bought into, and it's a cookie store.

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01:40 - 01:58 Ken Coleman

And it sounds like we've got a myriad of issues. So I heard we've got to organize, but then we've got to figure out if this franchise can actually work. So which is the bigger problem, spending or budgeting the money, the little bit money you're making? Are you making any money at all? What's the bigger problem here? Because I heard several things.

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02:00 - 02:21 Isaac

So I guess to get more specific, so we have that business. I'm also a realtor on the side. And so any extra time I have, I'm, I'm spending on that, trying to sell houses and stuff. Um, I knew it that too, just a few months ago. So I'm just barely starting to make money. The business itself, the cookie shop, the cookie shop, isn't making really anything. We're just barely breaking even.

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02:22 - 02:29 Isaac

And then we're just doing all kinds of little side hustles where we can. DoorDash and Uber Eats and delivering for Walmart and stuff like that.

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02:30 - 02:31 Ken Coleman

So let me ask this.

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02:31 - 02:32 Isaac

I can't figure it out.

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02:32 - 02:47 Ken Coleman

Yeah. I got an idea now what we're talking about. So is it you, your buddy that you mentioned, you're the two partners and your wife is also helping out just because you can't afford to pay anybody? Give us just a little bit more clarity on that.

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02:49 - 03:06 Isaac

Yeah, so we did stuff the stupid way because we hadn't found Dave Ramsey yet. And so a friend of mine, he's just a silent capital partner. He put in money up front and helped us get into it. We have a big loan on it. How much? It's a quarter million.

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03:06 - 03:08 Ken Coleman

Oh, mama. And you owe $125,000 of that?

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03:11 - 03:14 Isaac

Yeah, so I owe, yeah, 70% of it, yeah.

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03:14 - 03:20 Ken Coleman

Oh, no, that ain't 125. Last time I did math. Oh, that would be... Okay, so you owe 70% of it.

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03:21 - 03:24 Isaac

And the rest you owe to your... Right, I'm the 70% partner.

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03:24 - 03:30 Ken Coleman

Oof, and you guys aren't making anything. You're barely making it, keeping the business going. It's just barely making it.

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03:30 - 03:34 Jade Warshaw

Do you know why? Do you know the problem? Basically, yeah. Have you figured out what the problem is?

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03:35 - 03:55 Isaac

Well, kind of. We think we do. So our sales were really, really good when we opened in the summer, and we would have made money, but we didn't have our expenses under control. Once we got our expenses under control, we cut payroll costs really down. We got control of our inventory costs, stuff like that. We're doing a lot better on the expenses side. But our sales went down and we hit the winter.

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03:56 - 04:02 Isaac

Part of that is because our marketing budget was kind of gone. So we weren't making as much because we just, our marketing was suffering.

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04:03 - 04:10 Jade Warshaw

Did you expect that? Did you expect that it would get slower during the winter considering, you know, it's the winter and folks aren't just out? Yeah.

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04:12 - 04:16 Isaac

Yeah, and in Missouri, the winters are pretty brutal and cold, so yeah.

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04:17 - 04:23 Jade Warshaw

Okay, so you expected this, but it was too early to have had any reserves kind of piled up is what you're saying.

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04:24 - 04:34 Isaac

Right, yeah, so we're just barely making it. But yeah, my capital partner, she's out in a different state. My wife and I are here, and we're operating the business.

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04:35 - 04:38 Ken Coleman

How many hours are you working, the two of you, on this cooking shop?

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04:40 - 04:51 Isaac

We've been able to bring our sales up just a little bit, so we've been able to hire one more part-time person. But my wife and I are both, are each putting in about 25 to 30 hours a week.

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04:51 - 04:55 Ken Coleman

All right. So what I'm trying to figure out, Jade, is they got to make money.

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04:55 - 05:15 Jade Warshaw

You got to go out and get business. You're a cookie maker. If I'm you, and this is just me, I'm brainstorming ways they can make money. If I'm you, I'm trying to host every party, every wedding, I want to cater every event with dessert. I'm going to companies and saying, what can I do? Because you've got to make money. Otherwise, this is not going to do well for you. And Yeah. Yeah.

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05:29 - 05:43 Isaac

Well, and I guess there's kind of another part and that's just, I'm really worried because I totally get what you're saying. And that's where my head is too. It's like, I need to, we need to get our sales up. We need to get our sales up. That's all we talk about with the business. And so I'm trying to reach out and get catering orders and stuff.

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05:44 - 05:56 Isaac

But then we're worried because the more time we dedicate to that and it's not a sure thing that money will, you know, the sales will go up. That takes away time where we're doing like door dashing and stuff and we're trying to pay the bills on the personal side. And so that's kind of where we're stressed.

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05:56 - 06:17 Ken Coleman

Yeah, that's where I'm coming in. I don't know. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to do what we always do here and I'm going to answer this the way. Go Ken style. So I don't know what you're going to say. And I'm anxious to see what my partner says here on this. But if I were you. I've got to take care of my family first. I'm not worried about the cookie business.

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06:18 - 06:30 Ken Coleman

I'm really not because I hear it in his voice, and I think there's a greater reality here. And I'm going to try to keep the cookie thing afloat with other part-time people. This is already a slow season.

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06:31 - 06:54 Ken Coleman

you and your wife have got to be spending time actually making real money taking care of the family and i'm not sure that there's a future on this cookie deal and i i'm the kind of guy that go i don't want to prolong misery yeah I want to cut bait at some point. I'm not saying it's now. I'm not willing to say that because I don't know enough. We have limited time, Jade.

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06:55 - 07:14 Ken Coleman

But I do think the most important thing is that one of them has got a full-time, decent-paying job that will at least take care of the family. So, again, this is ideal. What would I do? I'd go either Ken or Stacey. Yep. has got a full-time job that takes care of our expenses so that our family doesn't go below water.

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07:14 - 07:21 Ken Coleman

And then we fight to keep the cookie thing alive until we can apply some lessons and hopefully get more foot traffic. What do you think?

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07:21 - 07:41 Jade Warshaw

I 100% agree. One of you needs to be working full-time. And find a full time job instead of doing all these odds and ends. I think that's also part of the equation here is you guys are burning the candle at both ends in many different ways. Yeah, I'm curious to know. I know you told us the actual debt. I'm curious to know what you're burning every single month. Like, what are you losing?

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07:43 - 07:45 Jade Warshaw

What are you losing every month? Because you said you're not making money.

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07:47 - 07:54 Isaac

But we were losing money. We've gotten to a point where we're either just breaking even or making about $1,000 or less.

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07:54 - 08:11 Jade Warshaw

And when you say break even, does that include you guys paying yourself or that's just you keeping things on and keeping things going? Okay. Yeah. And then my next question before, the next question I'd have before making this decision is, have you ever run a successful business before or is this your first go around being an entrepreneur?

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08:11 - 08:23 Isaac

So, So as a brick and mortar business, this is my first attempt at all. I've done other like side hustles and stuff like helped with marketing for other businesses, helped with bookkeeping for other businesses.

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08:23 - 08:32 Jade Warshaw

I think this is going to be different for you. And I think for me, there's going to be a moment, like Ken said, we're going to have to cut ties with this because if you're not making money, you're losing money.

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08:32 - 08:49 Ken Coleman

Yeah. I'd give it a run, but one of you has got to go make a really good living and not all this door dashing and scrapping. Let's get some comfort. See if we can give this thing a run, or is it worth it? At this point, just go, all right, I'm going to take my 70% that I owe, I'm going to pay it back, I'm going to learn something. This is The Ramsey Show.

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10:11 - 10:28 Ken Coleman

Welcome back to The Ramsey Show, where we coach you to win with your money, win in your work, and win in your relationships. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. Jade, are you fired up? You're ready to go? You got your talk ready for January 23rd? I'm talking about the Take Control of Your Money livestream.

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10:29 - 10:30 Jade Warshaw

Let's get ready to rumble.

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10:30 - 10:35 Ken Coleman

I saw your face out on the gigantic jumbotron as I was walking to lunch yesterday. I was like, hello, Jay.

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10:35 - 10:36 Jade Warshaw

It was too much.

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10:36 - 10:51 Ken Coleman

But going to be a lot of fun. Dave Ramsey and you are going to be teaching people how to stop living paycheck to paycheck so they can pay off debt and finally get ahead. Also, I'm told, Rachel Cruz and George Campbell will be joining for a Q&A, a little cameo.

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10:52 - 10:54 Jade Warshaw

Well, factoids, yes, they'll be there.

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10:54 - 11:22 Ken Coleman

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11:22 - 11:28 Ken Coleman

Ken, I put you on the spot for a little preview. What can you tell us? What will you tell us?

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11:28 - 11:43 Jade Warshaw

I will tell you that your money is the most expensive thing that you have, and yet most of us treat it without care. We don't know where it went. We just kind of guess about it. And here's the thing, Ken, if I bought you...

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11:44 - 11:44 Ken Coleman

Oh, I'm very excited.

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11:44 - 11:47 Jade Warshaw

What would you buy me? What's your favorite luxury brand?

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11:49 - 11:50 Ken Coleman

Well, Gucci. Category?

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11:51 - 11:51 Jade Warshaw

Yeah.

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11:51 - 11:52 Ken Coleman

Can you give me a category?

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11:52 - 11:53 Jade Warshaw

Like fashion. Give me fashion.

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11:53 - 11:53 Ken Coleman

Ralph.

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11:54 - 11:59 Jade Warshaw

Ralph Lauren. If I bought you a brand new Ralph Lauren trench coat, like a really nice one.

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11:59 - 11:59 Ken Coleman

Oh, wow.

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12:00 - 12:03 Jade Warshaw

You would treat it with care. It'd be on a hanger.

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12:03 - 12:06 Ken Coleman

I would get it dry clean regularly. You want to keep those nice.

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12:06 - 12:06 Jade Warshaw

Yeah.

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12:06 - 12:07 Ken Coleman

Yeah, I'm with you.

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12:07 - 12:12 Jade Warshaw

But you wouldn't get home, ball it up, throw it in the corner, step on it, wonder where it went.

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12:12 - 12:13 Ken Coleman

Wouldn't do yard work in it.

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12:13 - 12:14 Jade Warshaw

Wouldn't do yard work in it.

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12:14 - 12:14 Ken Coleman

No.

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12:14 - 12:17 Jade Warshaw

If I said, Ken, where's your coat? You'd know exactly where it's at.

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12:17 - 12:19 Ken Coleman

I'd wear it in with a little bit of pride.

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12:19 - 12:36 Jade Warshaw

Meanwhile, most of us with our money, we're like, I don't know where it went. Some of it's in my wallet. Some of it's over here. I don't know what I spent. And it's so expensive. We spend our time, our effort, our sanity, our sleep. We spend so much to get it. And then we just treat it like, I don't know where it went. And so I'll be talking a little bit about that.

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12:37 - 12:59 Ken Coleman

I like that great metaphor. That's going to put people in a good place of tension. yeah the way you just set that up a lot of people are like ouch i'm treating my purse my shoes my fill in the blank better than i am my greatest resource my money we're not realizing it it's gonna be fun all right uh let's get back to the phones melissa joins us now in orlando florida melissa how can we help today

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13:01 - 13:27 Melissa

Hi, guys. Thank you so much for taking my call. I am pretty new to The Ramsey Show. I just started listening maybe about like a month or so ago. I'm still learning and I definitely want to change my relationship with money. But I'm calling because I took out a loan back in. It was the end of 2019 to consolidate my credit card debt. And I was paying it. I was able to afford the payments.

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13:28 - 13:54 Melissa

And then the pandemic started. So I ended up getting furloughed from my job. And I also moved to a different state in 2021. And it was just a lot for me. And I just couldn't afford the payments. So I kind of just stopped. stopped paying. And, um, I guess like, I thought it like disappeared somehow. I don't know. But, um, I never really got.

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13:54 - 13:57 Ken Coleman

Speaking of the example you just gave, she did not know where it was.

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13:57 - 14:02 Jade Warshaw

You were, that was a hope. That was a wish. Maybe it disappeared.

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14:03 - 14:15 Melissa

Yes, there was a lot going on during that time. But, um, so I did, I remember seeing a couple emails from the company, um, telling me to give them a call to like get back on track.

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14:15 - 14:15 Jade Warshaw

Mm-hmm.

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14:16 - 14:39 Melissa

And, again, didn't answer those emails, which I wish I did. But a few years later, now we're in 2025, but I did get an email from a company saying that they sold off my loan to a debt consolidator. And they basically were giving me very little options as far as, like, paying it off.

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14:39 - 14:41 Jade Warshaw

How much is it?

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14:43 - 15:08 Melissa

It's for a little over $8,000. Okay. And what are they saying to you? So they offered to pay it in full by end of December, which I couldn't do. And then they also offered 90 days to pay it in full. But they keep going back to paying it in full. And I told them, you know, I have like medical bills and stuff that I'm trying to take care of. So this is what I can afford.

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15:08 - 15:34 Melissa

And there's just a lot of back and forth. And I just don't want to delay it because I just don't want any legal issues or anything. Sure. And then just some backstory. I am currently I live at home with my parents. I'm a single mom and I am planning on moving out this year. So this whole thing just feels like such a setback for me. OK, so it's a little discouraging.

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15:34 - 15:50 Jade Warshaw

Well, don't look at it as that. Let's change our thought here, because if you're if your goal is to move out, don't think of this as a setback. This is just something that's going to when you deal with it, it's going to get you on a firmer foundation so that when you move out, you're in a great position. So this is like you cleaning house. Right.

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15:51 - 16:09 Jade Warshaw

And you know that feeling that you get after you clean everything out up. It's like, OK, everything's in its place. Everything's where it's belong. It belongs. I might be tired, but I feel good. Right. You've accomplished something. Yeah. So let's talk about your debt snowball because you said you've got some medical bills. Are you listing them from smallest to largest?

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16:09 - 16:11 Jade Warshaw

Like logically what debt comes next?

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16:12 - 16:29 Melissa

So I actually just paid off my two smallest credit cards because I started that process. Good. So my largest would be my car. Um, I have a few years left on that. And then right now my smallest credit card balance is probably like 400. So.

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16:31 - 16:38 Jade Warshaw

And what's your income? Um, right now a grocer net. What do you bring home? So every month, how much money do you bring home?

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16:39 - 16:50 Melissa

Each month I bring home $3,800, but I also do get some child support as well. How much is that? That is $800 a month.

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16:51 - 16:57 Ken Coleman

Okay. What are your actual expenses? You're living with mom and dad.

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16:57 - 17:00 Melissa

I know. That's what I'm wondering.

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17:00 - 17:03 Ken Coleman

What's your bottom line? You could make it if you only had this much coming in.

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17:05 - 17:24 Melissa

So my biggest payment is my car. Another setback was last year when I had my baby, I went on an unpaid maternity leave. So I went about three months with no income. So I had debt. The whole point of me moving home was to pay off my debt, which is also $8,000.

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17:24 - 17:39 Ken Coleman

Melissa, I'm jumping in only because we have limited time with you, and I want Jade to be able to get to this. So what is that minimum number? that you need to just survive? Because you don't have housing. What's giving you a ballpark number? Is it $1,800, $2,000, $1,500? What is it that you have to have? I would say for the month, I would say about maybe...

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17:49 - 17:53 Melissa

Because with my minimums and my car, I would say maybe about like two, three thousand.

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17:53 - 18:12 Jade Warshaw

Well, I think we've just discovered the issue. I think Ken just discovered it, which is you don't have a budget because people who have a budget know their numbers. And I'm not saying that to be, you know, ugly in any way, but we've just discovered. I think if you have the budget, which we'll set you up with before you get off the call, you're going to be able to see, OK, here's what my life costs.

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18:13 - 18:35 Jade Warshaw

And here's how much margin I have after I pay for everything that my life costs. So for you, you're in you're in a wonderful situation. And the fact that you're not paying for housing and you've got to capitalize on that to the fullest extent while you're there. OK, and you're going to be able to do that with the budget. You're going to be able to say, OK, here's the truth.

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18:35 - 18:45 Jade Warshaw

I make I have forty six hundred dollars every single month. How much is your car payment? It's $570. And how much is the total amount that you owe?

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18:46 - 18:48 Melissa

I have about $21,000 left.

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18:48 - 19:09 Jade Warshaw

And what's it worth? Do you know? I don't know, actually. Okay. I'd be curious to know how much that's worth. If you want to get out of this really, really fast, it might mean downsizing your car. $570 is a lot of money to be paying when you're trying to do things like save up to get out of your parents' house, pay off debt, take care of a one-year-old, that sort of thing.

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19:10 - 19:30 Jade Warshaw

So I'd be thinking about getting out of that car. But the budget is the number one thing. And what you're going to do is you're going to put your income at the top. You're going to subtract everything that you think you might spend money on. And then, Melissa, whatever's left goes to your smallest debts. You should be spending $3,000 a month on paying off debt. I agree.

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19:30 - 19:36 Jade Warshaw

There's no reason why you're not. You don't have a house. You're about to not have a car payment. Let's get going.

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19:37 - 19:39 Ken Coleman

Hang on the line. What are we going to give her? Are we going to help her out with anything?

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19:39 - 19:43 Jade Warshaw

Yeah, let's give her every dollar premium and total money makeover.

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19:43 - 19:48 Ken Coleman

I like it. All right, you can do this, Melissa. We're walking this through with you. This is The Randall Show.

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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show, here to help you win in your life. We want you to win with your money, win in your professional life, and win... with your relationships. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is alongside. 888-825-5225 is the number. West Palm Beach, Florida is where we go next. Katie is there. Katie, how can we help?

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21:32 - 22:00 Katie

Yes, hello. What a great opportunity. I just want to say thank you guys for taking the call. Sure, thank you. I'm going through a divorce. I was married to somebody in the military. He brought me down to his hometown two weeks within arriving, left me with nothing. And because of jurisdiction, I can't leave. This town doesn't have a lot of work opportunities.

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22:02 - 22:22 Katie

I've managed to kind of make it on my own without any family or friends here. But in my current situation, I obviously want to get out. I'm getting paid $13 an hour and I'm living in an RV, but I am very thankful for the blessings that have come my way, but obviously I just want to see my way out.

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22:22 - 22:30 Katie

My thing is I want to go to school, and I don't want to get in debt, but I feel like that might have to be an option, and I just need to, I guess.

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22:31 - 22:35 Ken Coleman

Sure. All right, let's start with two quick questions. Number one, do you have kids?

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22:37 - 22:38 Katie

Yes, I have two little ones.

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22:38 - 22:38 Ken Coleman

How old?

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22:40 - 22:41 Katie

Six and a four-year-old.

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22:42 - 22:43 Ken Coleman

And nobody to watch them.

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22:45 - 22:53 Katie

No, it's just been me. Right now, because of Florida being 50-50, I actually have the kids most of the time.

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22:55 - 22:59 Jade Warshaw

When does your four-year-old go to kindergarten? In the fall, or do you have another year to wait?

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23:00 - 23:08 Katie

He's... In daycare. So, yeah, this year he should be going to preschool. Okay. Okay, so you do have a daycare option.

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23:09 - 23:10 Ken Coleman

Okay. That's good.

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23:10 - 23:23 Katie

I mean, right, yes, and, you know, there's certain programs that help with that, but right now I'm paying the full tuition for both of my kids and not getting any assistance.

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23:24 - 23:24 Ken Coleman

Okay.

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23:24 - 23:25 Katie

I know child support.

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23:26 - 23:46 Ken Coleman

All right, so let's try to get you some clarity. Let's back out of the situation because this is tough, hard to see some things. If money were no object and I just gave you this degree or certification, whatever you're referring to when you're talking about schooling, and I just gave it to you today and you had that done, what would you be using the schooling for?

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23:46 - 23:50 Ken Coleman

What is this path, direction you're thinking that you need schooling for?

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23:52 - 23:58 Katie

Well, I just... It's not exactly what I want, but it's what pays.

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23:58 - 24:10 Ken Coleman

So nursing. So nursing. That's what you've selected. Yes. Okay. And what would you make? Have you done your research? What would that allow you to start out at?

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24:10 - 24:13 Katie

28, around 28. 28 an hour? Mm-hmm. Okay.

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24:19 - 24:26 Ken Coleman

Well, we've got a real challenge because you just literally have no money for the nursing program. How much would the cheapest nursing program cost you?

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24:26 - 24:31 Katie

From what I've seen...

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24:32 - 24:38 Ken Coleman

And I mean the cheapest because nobody cares what brand name is on the diploma. We just need the degree.

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24:38 - 24:51 Katie

Yeah, this is at the local community college. I have the numbers, but I should have been more prepared. That's okay. But I did look into it, and I have the numbers. I just can't remember them, but it's absolutely the cheapest.

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24:51 - 24:53 Ken Coleman

Okay. Do you have a ballpark idea if you had to guess?

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24:53 - 24:55 Katie

Hmm.

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24:56 - 25:00 Ken Coleman

If you don't, that's okay. I don't want to hold us up. So we need to know that number.

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25:00 - 25:06 Katie

Okay, so Katie, I'm talking like... It would be for an associate's $13,000, $13,840, so around $14,000. So total with $14,000, that would allow you to become a nurse, $14,000.

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25:13 - 25:29 Ken Coleman

Okay. All right, Jade, that at least gives us a target on the future. The deadbeat dad thing, just a real quick question. I'll get out of Jade's way so she can coach you on this, but are there any legal recourse on this guy not paying you what he owes you?

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25:29 - 25:38 Katie

So I was able to get the military to pay me because he got out. Right now we're in a limbo with the courts.

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25:38 - 26:03 Ken Coleman

Okay, gotcha. All right. Okay, well, we've got to get our income up. There's got to be a bridge, Jade, just on the income side. There's got to be a bridge from where she's at making $13 an hour now. If we could get her to $20, $22, $24 an hour, I don't care what it is, Katie. It's just you're doing something. You don't have to have a degree to get that kind of money, potentially.

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26:03 - 26:16 Ken Coleman

Now, I know you're in a limited area, so within reason, if we can get your income, is there a bridge or a second job, friends, old grandmas at the church you go to? You've got to get really, really...

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26:16 - 26:40 Ken Coleman

uh innovative in thinking who can help with the kids when they're not in daycare so you can make more money to be able to cash flow this nursing program help me understand the limited area is it you're on base is it to help me understand that very very small town everybody knows everyone west if you get a job west palm beach she's not in west palm where are you i know south florida where are you

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26:43 - 27:00 Jade Warshaw

Okeechobee. Okay. Okay. Listen, I think there's more. I have different questions to ask you because I'm thinking about how we can cut around your budget. I thought I heard you say that you're paying tuition for a six-year-old. Explain to me their daycare and whatnot.

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27:00 - 27:05 Katie

Like the daycare, I'm paying for daycare and aftercare for my kids.

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27:05 - 27:05 Jade Warshaw

For both?

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27:05 - 27:07 Katie

Because I don't. Yes.

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27:08 - 27:11 Jade Warshaw

Is the six-year-old in kindergarten or is still in daycare?

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27:12 - 27:18 Katie

Um, he's in daycare, the four year old's in daycare. And when does the six year old go to kindergarten?

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27:18 - 27:31 Jade Warshaw

I'm trying to figure out when your time and your money freeze up because daycare is super expensive. Plus there's the time aspect. So I'm trying to figure out when they will be in school, you know, from, from eight to three and when you'll have that money freed up.

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27:32 - 27:49 Katie

Uh, the aftercare for my six year old is at the school. So, because I get out around 4.30 and she gets out a lot earlier, so I don't have anybody to watch her. I've only been here, I think, a year. All right, I understand. Trying to get to know people, yeah.

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27:50 - 27:52 Jade Warshaw

I'm just trying to understand when they both will go to kindergarten.

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27:52 - 27:54 Ken Coleman

When will the four-year-old go to kindergarten?

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27:55 - 27:59 Katie

It should be this fall. Preschool. Oh, you mean kindergarten? Yeah, kindergarten.

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28:00 - 28:20 Jade Warshaw

Yeah. OK, so that's going to be a huge that's going to be a parting of the seas for you because you're going to get a lot more money back in your pocket and you're going to have built in child care for this portion of the day, which. Right now, with a single mom, limited options, we need to know when that's going to be. So I think for you, that's going to open up a lot of opportunity.

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28:20 - 28:33 Jade Warshaw

In the meantime, I do think that there's other things you can do for $13 an hour. For more than $13 an hour, I think you just need to expand your horizons, even if it's you finding work from home things, right? I think the nurse...

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28:33 - 28:59 Jade Warshaw

idea is great and i want you to do that but we've got bigger fish to fry in this moment and maybe just for the next 12 months until you can get your kids off to school that not line item is back out of your life you're starting to figure out what's going on with the child support and then you can start to devote money towards nursing so i think this is a dream deferred not a dream denied by any means um but i think the next 12 months is about you um

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29:00 - 29:09 Jade Warshaw

being in a survival mode and looking for work that you can do that's going to earn more money until you get to the position where you can get this degree. Is that fair, Ken?

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29:09 - 29:22 Ken Coleman

I agree. Just from a logistic standpoint, Katie, because I know you're overwhelmed, who would watch the kids and when would you do the nursing program if you had the money today? Somebody's got to watch the kids. What's that song?

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29:22 - 29:24 Katie

Right. So I've been...

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29:25 - 29:48 Ken Coleman

trying to plug myself into some churches but um it takes a while to build of course friendship and trust so it's a work in progress okay so here's the thing you're doing the right thing here's my point jade's 100 right i want to see you get more income let's solve the who can watch the kiddos while i'm making more money problem i think that's huge Let's get a budget. Jade will help you out.

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29:48 - 30:03 Ken Coleman

We'll give you every dollar or something along those lines. But I think real quick, let's get help for kiddos. They know you're a single mom. They know you need a little help. Let's get the finances completely under control. Let's increase our income.

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30:04 - 30:20 Ken Coleman

And once you're stable there, I think you can save up $11,000 to $12,000 faster than you think if you have better income and you got everything kind of under control and you know where your money's going in and out. I think that's the plan for me. Please don't do the debt. It's just going to put more stress on you. I think it's worth waiting.

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30:21 - 30:23 Jade Warshaw

I agree wholeheartedly. I would not go into debt.

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30:24 - 30:27 Ken Coleman

No, it's just, and I get it. This is the lure, by the way.

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30:27 - 30:34 Jade Warshaw

Well, she wants to, she's in a hot pot that's about to boil, and she wants to jump out, and jumping into debt is not the option.

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30:34 - 30:46 Ken Coleman

Hang on the line, Katie. We're going to take care of you. Kelly will get you hooked up with some great resources to kind of get control of the money, and with that clarity comes confidence to move forward on the advice we've given you. This is The Ramsey Show.

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32:10 - 32:32 Ken Coleman

Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. Glad to have you with us as we coach you and others up to win with your money, win in your work, and win with your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number. Today's Ramsey Network app question is from Lewis. We just finished paying off $100,000 in debt.

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32:32 - 32:44 Ken Coleman

However, we have only $80,000 saved for retirement and have $15,000 saved for our teenager who will be going to college in three years. I'm 50. My wife is 47. Our annual household income is $175,000, and we only live on maybe half of that.

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32:46 - 33:00 Ken Coleman

Should we not put money into our daughter's college fund at this point and just hope she can qualify for scholarships or cash flow college when we get there so that we can save more for retirement? Any advice would be appreciated.

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33:01 - 33:26 Jade Warshaw

I like this question. So I always like to set the tone for these sorts of questions by saying that there's no requirement for a parent to pay for their child's education. Like that truly is really a privilege for both, a privilege for the parent if they can afford it and a privilege for the child if they receive it. It doesn't make you a bad parent if you do not pay for your kid's college.

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33:26 - 33:33 Jade Warshaw

I know for me, my parents told me they're like, listen, there is no college fund. You better be smart and good at sports, right?

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33:33 - 33:52 Jade Warshaw

And so the moral of the story here for you, Lewis, is as long as you're really communicating what the plan is, and if the plan does not involve you giving them all the cash that they need for all four years or whatever it is, maybe they go to a technical college, maybe they go to whatever they decide. If you're not paying for the whole thing, what you do need to be saying is,

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33:53 - 34:08 Jade Warshaw

And here's how we are paying for it. You're going to get these scholarships or you're going to work part time and have it thought through and talk to them about what that plan is, as opposed to leaving them hanging or putting any room for them to think that student loans are an option.

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34:09 - 34:23 Jade Warshaw

And so in this case, I think it's up to you and your wife if you go, hey, this is because you're going to retire like that day is going to come soon. and you're going to need the cash to be ready for it. So there is an inevitability there that you can't get around.

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34:23 - 34:41 Jade Warshaw

And if you've sat with your smart investor and you've realized, hey, if we don't get on the ball with this, we're not going to have the money we need for when we stop working, then yeah, that is a reality that you have to face and say, okay, kids, this is all you get, or you don't get any, and here's what we're going to do instead. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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34:42 - 34:56 Jade Warshaw

I know people who can afford to pay for their kids' college and choose not to because they want their children to have skin in the game and they want them to pursue, you know what I'm saying, that side of it. So this really is up to what you guys decide. You have a really great...

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34:57 - 35:20 Jade Warshaw

household income I'm wondering if you can continue to put 15 percent aside and cash flow a portion of this whatever you decide to do I just want you to know that there's not the only wrong answer is you not talking about it and coming up with a plan that's the only wrong answer yeah good answer love it I can't add anything to that so I won't let's go back to the phones Kirk is joining us in Denver Colorado Kirk how can we help today

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35:22 - 35:38 Kirk

Yes, I'm just calling about just some financial question. I'm a pastor, been in ministry my whole life. We pastor a small church in Wyoming, and so we've lived in a parsonage all that time, so we don't own a home or anything. We've gone through financial peace in our church. We use cash for everything. We're completely out of debt.

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35:39 - 36:05 Kirk

Um, but, um, my wife's parents were involved in a tragic car accident, lost their lives. And so they had, they live in Missouri and they had a couple of farms. And so, uh, we sold one with my wife's brother. We sold one and just put the money into, uh, Edward Jones. And we made, we have about, I think there's about $460,000 in there. And last year we made 19% interest on that.

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36:05 - 36:30 Kirk

I think our cash interest was around $75,000. Anyway, my question is we've been talking with her brother about this other chunk of land. And so he, I don't know if he's thinking we should keep the land. My question is, are we going to make more in interest if we would sell that and put it in a financial institution or, Keep the land thinking that the value of the land might go up someday.

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36:30 - 36:55 Ken Coleman

Depends on the land. And it depends on the stock market. Well, yes, but we have historical averages on the stock market. So we know what the stock market has done historically. So you've got a range there of what that's going to do. What matters is this land. That's the asterisk in this. What do you know about the land? Is it just farmland? Is it in an area?

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36:55 - 36:57 Ken Coleman

What do you know about the land and the future around it?

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36:59 - 37:22 Kirk

Yeah, the land, it's north of Springfield, Missouri, and so it's just a rural land. It's just farmland. It does have some water that goes through it. So we're probably going to just sell it, not like to be developed, but just someone who would want the farmland to run cattle or add to their farm or whatever. And so it's not in a county with like a big city, so the value per acre is lower.

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37:22 - 37:24 Kirk

Maybe it's like $10,000 an acre.

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37:24 - 37:41 Ken Coleman

We're not sure exactly what it's going to come up to. You're on the right track. I would want to know, what's the potential of this land over 15, 20, 30 years? Because if it's a retirement, because you're asking apples to apples, and these aren't apples to apples. And so that's what I would be doing.

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37:41 - 37:57 Ken Coleman

If I'm looking at this as retirement money, I'm either going to put it in mutual funds the way we teach here, or I'm going to hold on to the land, and at X age that we determine, we sell it. So as you look to however many years that is from now when you would actually want to use it for retirement, whatever.

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37:57 - 38:16 Ken Coleman

What do you project or what do some land experts in that area project that land value to be? That would be the answer that I'm looking for. And based on that, then I make my decision. And, you know, look, you're going to probably get much better return on getting that cash out now and putting it in mutual funds. That would be my guess based on what you've told me.

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38:16 - 38:17 Ken Coleman

But I would want to know for sure.

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38:18 - 38:19 Jade Warshaw

Is there anything... Yeah, and I'm...

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38:21 - 38:34 Kirk

I'm just going to say I'm 58 years old, so we're going to be retiring here soon. What do you think you guys stand to make on that? On that land? Your cut. I'm thinking maybe $750,000. I'm figuring it's like 150 acres, so if my wife gets 75 acres of it and it's worth $10,000, that's $750,000.

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38:44 - 38:51 Ken Coleman

I'd probably go buy a sign today and smack it in the dirt, me, and take that money and put that away.

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38:53 - 38:59 Jade Warshaw

Do you need it? That's the other question. Are you banking on it? Is it something that you need in the short term?

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39:00 - 39:14 Kirk

not in the short term, but definitely through retirement, because like I said, we don't have a whole lot. And so this, this 400 close, close to 500,000 that we already have in a, in mutual funds, we're going to need to buy a house. So we're thinking maybe 250 to $300,000 house.

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39:14 - 39:20 Kirk

So that's going to take a big chunk of that and then just live on the rest and put it in a trust and give what we can to our kids. But,

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39:21 - 39:28 Jade Warshaw

The other question I had is, does it cost you anything? Is there any upkeep on this land? Are there any animals on it? Does it cost you anything? No.

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39:29 - 39:45 Kirk

Is it just sitting? Not really. And her brother lives down there. And so like fixing some fence, we actually lease it to a guy. We don't really make a whole lot on it. He just runs some cattle on it. So there is some upkeep on the land somewhat. I don't know. What would you do?

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39:47 - 40:14 Jade Warshaw

uh what what popped in my mind is is there a way that i'd want to make money with this land as it's appreciating in value so that i can make money two ways that's what was in my head um and then cash out when you're and then cash out when i'm ready i like that if you can if i'm not and if i'm not going to do that then i'd probably cash it out and invest the money that's that's me i'm not saying that that's necessarily right it's just what my brain would be thinking of i'm trying to find ways to get money

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40:16 - 40:39 Ken Coleman

Right, and that's why I said I'd take the $750,000 now because it doesn't sound like – I actually agree with you, Jade. I'd want to know what that looks like. And then again, I'm comparing. So I'm with you. I'm 100% going. My goal here is to make more money, and that's your goal too. So the question is, what allows you to make the most money? I think my gut tells me, and I'm not informed –

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40:40 - 40:51 Ken Coleman

But I told you what I would do to get informed. I would add to it what Jay just said, which is, could we be making more money than just leasing to the current guy who's letting cattle run on it?

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40:51 - 41:04 Ken Coleman

Run all those numbers, at which point I'm going to go, if my money has a chance to grow faster by getting it now and putting it in the stock market through the mutual funds, the way we teach investing, then that's probably the way I'm going.

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41:05 - 41:05 Jade Warshaw

Yeah.

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41:05 - 41:10 Ken Coleman

Because you've got, what, 12 years before you're going to go after it? What do you think? Work until 70?

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41:10 - 41:21 Kirk

I'll be 59 in February. I mean, I want to retire whenever I can. But, yeah, so I'm figuring, you know, 60, 67, 68, something like that to retire.

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41:21 - 41:31 Jade Warshaw

Okay. I will say I love a lump sum. I love the idea of dropping a big old lump sum and letting that – Let it do what it's going to do. Let it do what it do what it do.

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41:31 - 41:32 Ken Coleman

Yeah, I agree.

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41:32 - 41:33 Jade Warshaw

And then, you know –

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41:34 - 41:38 Ken Coleman

You got options. I love that plan. I'd probably sell that dirt tomorrow.

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41:38 - 41:40 Jade Warshaw

Yeah, see what the wife wants to do, too.

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41:41 - 41:44 Ken Coleman

She's got a good intuition. Glad you brought that up. This is The Ramsey Show.

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42:18 - 42:48 Ken Coleman

Welcome to The Ramsey Show. This is where we help you, America. Specifically, we help you win with your money. Win in your professional life and win... With your relationships. Alongside Jade Warshaw, I'm Ken Coleman. We're both thrilled to be together for you. So we'd love to coach you up. Here's how we do it. You give us a call, 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. Jade's our resident money expert.

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42:48 - 43:06 Ken Coleman

I'm the resident professional advice expert. Let's make Mo Money so that Jade can teach you how to keep money. more of the money. That's our tango today. So can we help you? Let's go. Christian starts us off in Portland, Oregon. Christian, how can we help today?

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43:08 - 43:39 Christian

Hi, Ken and Jay. Thanks for taking my call. Yes, I am just starting the new year off the right way with trying to get out of debt. I'm following the baby steps. I am just don't have a lot of accountability and I need direction. And I really wanted to make a big deal about this. So I wanted to call the show and get some professional advice from people that I trust.

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43:39 - 43:49 Ken Coleman

Well, I've got good news for you because I'm sitting next to the budget queen, not the dancing queen. There it is. Do your thing. I think this man needs to know how to figure out a budget.

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43:49 - 44:12 Jade Warshaw

First off, Christian, I love that you're understanding the importance of accountability to the point where you're like, I'm going to call on the show. People are going to hear it, post about it on social media. I actually really like that. Some people kind of like to do their goals in the quiet. And in secret. And I listen, I'm no psychologist. I don't know. But I have a feeling around that.

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44:12 - 44:34 Jade Warshaw

I think that when people do their goals quietly, it's because they're afraid that if they don't accomplish them or if they fail, no one has to know. Right. And so I love the accountability of you saying, no, I'm putting it out there. So my question is, what is it that you're trying to accomplish? And what is it? What is the thing that you're worried about being a roadblock for you accomplishing it?

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44:36 - 45:16 Christian

Well, I've never really been good at my finances in the past, keeping a budget, keeping up like a record of my finances. And I'm about $90,000 in debt. It's 35 of it. $35,000 is an auto loan. and the rest of it is credit card. And I work part-time, seasonal, on a farm in Oregon. I don't make very much, but I'm very fortunate and blessed to have a trust that I get money from every month. How much?

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45:16 - 45:19 Christian

But I've been very irresponsible. It's $7,000 now.

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45:21 - 45:28 Jade Warshaw

So you get $7,000 a month from the trust, and then you're working part-time on a farm. What do you make from your part-time work?

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45:29 - 45:43 Christian

When I am working, which I'm off-season right now, but usually about $2,000 a month. And I work part-time because I have a two-year-old daughter, and I watch her half the week. I have her three and a half days.

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45:43 - 45:46 Ken Coleman

Okay. Do you have any support around you that could help with her?

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45:48 - 45:57 Christian

Well, so her mother watches her the rest of the time and she is a big support and my daughter and everything.

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45:57 - 46:14 Ken Coleman

I know, but I'm talking about you're a daddy now and I'm jumping in here because I don't like what I'm hearing and I'm not like criticizing you. But you need to be working full time, even when it's your turn, your custody side of things. That means you see her after you come home from work.

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46:14 - 46:20 Ken Coleman

That means someone is helping you or you are paying for them to help you because you need to be making more money in this offseason.

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46:20 - 46:22 Jade Warshaw

Yeah. Is the trust for life?

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46:23 - 46:23 Ken Coleman

Yes.

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46:24 - 46:33 Jade Warshaw

Okay. I have a question. You told me earlier that you've never been good at managing your money or sticking to a budget. Do you know why? Why is that? What do you do instead?

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46:35 - 46:55 Christian

Um, well, I was never really taught that. And, um, yeah, I, um, um, and, and when I get, um, around math or numbers, I choke up. Um, I didn't get very far in math in school and it's, um, it's a very uncomfortable subject for me.

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46:55 - 47:00 Ken Coleman

Is it also fair to say, is it also fair to say that you haven't needed to budget?

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47:02 - 47:07 Christian

Um, no. Well, What do you mean by that?

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47:07 - 47:18 Ken Coleman

Meaning you've never had to worry about not having enough money. So therefore, there was never a need to watch where this dollar was going and where that dollar was going.

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47:18 - 47:20 Jade Warshaw

Yeah, because $7,000 a month, you can live on that.

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47:20 - 47:22 Ken Coleman

$7,000 a month is a good chunk.

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47:22 - 47:34 Christian

No, I haven't had that. I only got... It hasn't been that long since I've had that. And it hasn't always been 7,000. I started getting it in 2008 and it started off at 2,000. Got you.

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47:34 - 47:39 Ken Coleman

Which is why, by the way, Jade, I want him working even though this is a nice blessing. I still want him working.

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47:39 - 47:59 Jade Warshaw

Yeah. So let's get into this a little bit. I totally buy it. None of us were taught this in college. None of us were taught it in high school. Few of us were taught it in our own homes. So it's very, very important. And I'm also with you on the math. despite popular belief, I actually hate doing math and I'm not very good at it. I made season in high school and college. So there we go.

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48:00 - 48:18 Jade Warshaw

Um, the good news for you is that we solve those problems here for you with every dollar. So before you get off the call, I want you to have the every dollar app. It's a budgeting app and it's going to help you do the things that you said you struggled with, which is making a plan for your money, sticking to the plan with your money and doing the math on your money. It does all of that for you.

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48:18 - 48:40 Jade Warshaw

The only thing that you have to do, Christian, is the only commitment you have to make is to make the thing, right? Plug your numbers in and just to take atomic habits, habit stack it with something else you do, right? So if you have a habit in the morning of you wake up, you make your morning coffee and you read the news on your phone, right? Right.

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48:40 - 48:57 Jade Warshaw

You just add, and after I read the news on my phone or before I read the news on my phone, I track my transactions in every dollar. That's it. If you can start that habit this year, you're going to see things with your money begin to turn around because for most of us, we're just not, it's not part of our day-to-day rhythm.

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48:57 - 49:16 Jade Warshaw

And so we're not seeing the fact that we're overspending on food or we're not seeing the fact that we're overspending and accidentally spending the money for something more important on something less important, right? And so for you, I think getting that habit into your life is going to be really important. So that's numero uno. The next thing I want to talk about is this car.

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49:16 - 49:26 Jade Warshaw

So you said you've got a $35,000 car and then you've got another 55 or 60,000 in credit card debt. So I kind of want to tackle the car. What's it worth?

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49:28 - 49:36 Christian

I think it's probably worth a little bit less than 35. I haven't actually looked it up. I don't know those numbers.

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49:36 - 49:51 Jade Warshaw

OK, then that would be my second piece of homework. Number one is every dollar. Number two, I'm looking to see if this thing if there's a break even here or if, you know, if it's a very short amount of upside down this, I'm going to I'm going to take that bet and I'm going to probably get out of this car because what are you paying every month for it?

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49:54 - 50:11 Jade Warshaw

Hey, my guy, let's get that money back into your wallet. That's a lot of money for somebody who's in $90,000 of debt. So if I were you, I would get out of that vehicle. I'd buy something far less expensive in cash. And yeah, that's what I would do.

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50:12 - 50:15 Ken Coleman

Um, that's almost half of that debt. Not quite, but almost.

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50:15 - 50:26 Jade Warshaw

Yeah. You're clearing out a big portion of it. And then with these credit cards, you know, don't consolidate them. Don't, you know, do a shuffle game. Just list them smallest to largest and pay them off one by one. Ken, what's he going to do with the career real quick?

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50:26 - 50:31 Ken Coleman

I don't know. We didn't have enough time to get into that. What do you want to do? If money wasn't an object, say it, go.

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50:33 - 50:49 Christian

If money wasn't an object, um, Something to do with plants. I work on a veggie farm. I moved to Oregon so I could do permaculture design, which has a lot to do with, you know, plants. So here's what we're going to do.

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50:49 - 50:56 Ken Coleman

Hang on the line. Kelly, let's get him a copy of Find the Work You're Wired to Do. It's a bestselling book with an assessment. It'll help. This is The Ramsey Show.

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52:23 - 52:25 Tyrone

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52:28 - 52:51 Ken Coleman

The Ramsey Show continues. Thrilled to have you with us, America. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. We would love to hear from you. We want to coach you up. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is alongside. Hey, our Ramsey Show annual listener survey is now live. We'd love to know your favorite parts of the show, what you like, what you don't, what you want to hear more of, whatever it is.

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52:52 - 53:22 Ken Coleman

We do want your opinion. There are a couple ways to participate. You can text the word SURVEY to the number 33789. You can text SURVEY to 33789. Visit ramsaysolutions.com slash SURVEY. That's ramsaysolutions.com slash SURVEY. Or if you're listening on podcast or YouTube, click the link in the show notes. Sign up today to tell us what you think, and you will be entered, by the way, to win a

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53:24 - 53:32 Ken Coleman

A $500 gift card. So got a chance to win $500 just for telling us what you think. If you're going to say anything mean about me, just go ahead and decide not to.

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53:32 - 53:33 Jade Warshaw

There might be a few of those.

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53:34 - 53:37 Ken Coleman

You think? A few. A few.

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53:38 - 53:39 Jade Warshaw

Ken's sweater.

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53:39 - 53:42 Ken Coleman

Today, my sweater is just very low-key today.

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53:42 - 53:43 Jade Warshaw

Yeah, you're doing good.

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53:43 - 53:47 Ken Coleman

I can't help it that I like some bolder statements from time to time.

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53:47 - 53:47 Jade Warshaw

Yeah, you do good.

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53:47 - 53:54 Ken Coleman

As do you. Indeed. But I think you pull it off better, and maybe people are going, he should probably not try to keep up with you.

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53:54 - 53:55 Jade Warshaw

I'm playing your song, Monochrome.

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53:55 - 54:05 Ken Coleman

Yeah, I like that. It's a good look. All right, back to the phones we go. 888-825-5225. Dag is joining us in Seattle, Washington. Dag, how can we help?

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54:08 - 54:34 Dag

Hi, Jay and Ken. Thanks for taking my call. I've been listening to you guys for a few months or several months and just love everything you guys are doing. Thank you. So I'm heading in the direction of my retirement from my primary career, probably in the next as early as three years, but could push that out a little bit. So I'm looking at the sunset of my retirement.

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54:34 - 54:59 Dag

uh, my main career and what I'm looking to, you know, I'm doing it as a second career. And then also, you know, building some wealth in that I've already paid off. I'm, I kind of flip flop baby five and six, uh, paid off the house. So now I'm bolstering the college account for the kids and then trying to build some wealth tools. Um, and I'm, I'm playing it really conservative.

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54:59 - 55:12 Dag

We've got some money in high yield. Um, I'm just looking for a little direction in a couple of those areas as my sunset of my career kind of approaches.

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55:12 - 55:20 Ken Coleman

All right, so direction in what you do for work after you retire from the main career and then direction in how to invest? Is that what I'm hearing?

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55:21 - 55:35 Dag

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, and I've been in public service as an emergency responder for, And just that, you know, the length of that career is wearing and tearing on the body a little bit. All right, let's just dive in there.

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55:36 - 56:00 Ken Coleman

Let's dive in. I have a sense that a guy like you calls this show, you have a couple of ideas that if there were zero resistance, you would go, this is probably one on my list. This is two on my list. Am I right? Sure. Yeah. All right. So give me number one. What would you do if there were zero resistance? Let's say we fast forward and we walk away from public service and boom, we walk into this.

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56:01 - 56:01 Ken Coleman

What is it?

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56:03 - 56:29 Dag

It probably has something to do with teaching similar to the field. So basically shifting my knowledge and experience into some kind of teaching environment for to the new up-and-comings, whether it's through my teaching LLC or at a local community college, certainly an option. I don't have a teaching credential, so I have to go down that route.

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56:29 - 56:32 Ken Coleman

Well, what about instructing within the actual department?

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56:35 - 56:46 Dag

And I do do that currently. So it's getting out of the emergency response side of things, kind of the wear and tear of the 24 and 48-hour shift. Right.

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56:46 - 56:50 Ken Coleman

So the question is, are you working for a municipality or the state?

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56:52 - 56:53 Dag

A municipality, essentially.

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56:53 - 57:14 Ken Coleman

I wonder if there are some training instructing opportunities in different departments. And so the idea here is, here's where I would start brainstorming, Dag. All right, these people know me. I've been a city employee or county employee for X amount of years. I'm in the system. If I can get out of the environment, that's what I'm hearing you say,

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57:14 - 57:29 Ken Coleman

an emergency and I can move somewhere else and still take some of that transferable experience and get into instructing, then I'm not having to go necessarily get any qualifications. That's one option. The other option is, yeah, over the next couple of years.

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57:29 - 57:53 Ken Coleman

you moonlight and get an online teaching degree and then decide, I can go to the local high school, I can go to the local community college. You know, I think it's just laying out all the specific training slash instruction options in your area. Make a list. Where could I go if there were zero challenge or hindrances?

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57:54 - 58:09 Ken Coleman

Then we look at that list and we go, well, I kind of like the idea of teaching at this local trade school, or I like this idea of teaching at this local public school, whatever. And you begin to make the list of this is more desirable than that, and I got my top two or three options.

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58:10 - 58:30 Ken Coleman

And now I start asking the question, and I wrote about this, by the way, and I'm going to give you the book, Paycheck to Purpose. But I wrote about this. There's four qualifying questions. Once we know, Dag, what I want to do, they are, what do I need to learn? That's the education question. Could be a certification, may have to be associates, may have to be a four-year degree.

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58:31 - 58:55 Ken Coleman

What do I need to do? What experience will I need? That tells me where I'm entering or I'm transferring certain experience. Then it's how much is that going to cost me? That's the finance piece. And then finally, based on my finances, how long will this take me? And those are the four questions, Dag. And they're in the book. And I'll give the book to you at the end of the call.

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58:55 - 59:04 Ken Coleman

And it's in the get qualified stage. But those four questions right there, that comes up with a plan. And now it's not intimidating, Jade, because now he knows what he's got to do.

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59:04 - 59:05 Jade Warshaw

I love that.

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59:05 - 59:08 Ken Coleman

I think that's your homework there. I want to get Jade in here.

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59:09 - 59:35 Jade Warshaw

on the retirement piece so she can give you some guidance there yeah tell me more the only thing that made my ears perk up is when you said that you were very conservative and you were utilizing high yield savings accounts so i didn't know what percentage we're talking so tell me more about that yeah i so the you know the houses i'm i'm fortunate that i got my house i got my house paid off nice i'm gonna have a small pension deferred comp um

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59:37 - 60:09 Dag

And I've put quite a bit of money away to pay for my stepson's college. And my goal is to have that a hundred percent by the time I retire. Okay. And, but then I have some, some extra in there that, you know, I know that I can do better with that outside of a high yield. How much extra? And it just, I would say in the hundred-ish range, I'd be maybe comfortable with freeing up out of there.

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60:11 - 60:13 Dag

Oh, that's the amount you'd be comfortable freeing up?

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60:14 - 60:34 Jade Warshaw

How much is in there total? $240. Oh, my goodness. All right. Great job saving. Listen, if I were you, if I were in your shoes, I would keep three to six months of expenses. You sound like a guy who wants 12 months of expenses, but I for sure keep six in there.

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60:34 - 60:57 Jade Warshaw

And then if you're not, if you don't have something that you know that you're intentionally about to do with this money, you know, you're not remodeling your kitchen or you're not about to do something. It's not college money. I'd invest it. I would. I'd be maxing out Roth IRAs every single year. If you have HSAs, I'd max those out and then I'd throw the rest in a brokerage account.

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60:58 - 61:11 Jade Warshaw

And that's what I'd be doing. I'd definitely be investing this money and getting a better rate of return somewhere between 10 to 12% if you're investing in the mutual funds that we teach. The type of mutual funds we teach, I should say. Yeah.

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61:11 - 61:15 Dag

What gives you pause about that? Say that again, I'm sorry.

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61:15 - 61:17 Jade Warshaw

What gives you pause about investing it?

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61:20 - 61:30 Dag

I think part of it is a good portion of the money I've saved, a little bit of it was inheritance, probably about a third of that.

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61:31 - 61:31 Jade Warshaw

Okay.

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61:31 - 61:49 Dag

And I just want to be... I kind of treat that as it's not really, yes, I received it in inheritance, but it's not really my money. No, it's yours. It is, but yeah, I just... Can you imagine if I gave Jay a gift and then took it back the next day?

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61:49 - 61:52 Ken Coleman

No one's taking that money back. It's yours.

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61:52 - 62:01 Jade Warshaw

Or if you gave me a gift and I just set it on the shelf and didn't use it to my advantage. Boom. Hey, get with a SmartVestor Pro so you can learn about this and feel good about investing that money.

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62:02 - 62:04 Ken Coleman

Come on, Dagg. This is the Rams issue.

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63:30 - 63:54 Ken Coleman

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64:15 - 64:25 Jade Warshaw

Alrighty then you have to turn your microphone on. That's how that works. You do. Okay. Today's question comes from Tyrone in New Jersey. He says, I work for a small company with less than 20 employees.

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64:26 - 64:49 Jade Warshaw

Recently, I discovered that while my employer has been taking deductions from my check for my 401k, they had been holding the money and making a few small deposits into my account throughout the year. And then one larger deposit at the end of the year. Huh? Okay. I confronted my employer and their only response was that they were sorry. Does this sound legal or unethical?

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64:49 - 64:51 Jade Warshaw

And is it time to seek new employment?

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64:51 - 64:52 Ken Coleman

Yeesh.

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64:52 - 64:54 Jade Warshaw

That does not sound right.

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64:54 - 64:57 Ken Coleman

It does not sound right at all.

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64:57 - 65:03 Jade Warshaw

Smells very fishy. Yeah, because you're missing out on time in the market if they are not investing the money into the funds that you chose.

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65:03 - 65:04 Ken Coleman

This needs to be dealt with instantly.

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65:05 - 65:28 Ken Coleman

instantly like sitting down with lots of leaders going hey look i immediately i got questions don't go in accusing but a lot of questions and good questions good questions why has this been happening yeah uh you said sorry that implies a mistake has it been remedied what are you gonna do about all the back stuff but what's the tone i need to know tone because i i'm having a strong tone

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65:30 - 65:32 Ken Coleman

I'm going to say serious tone. A serious tone.

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65:32 - 65:33 Jade Warshaw

Yeah, I'm not messing around.

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65:34 - 66:07 Ken Coleman

Very serious. I like that you asked this, so I want to set this up well. The questions themselves... take care of the tone. In other words, you don't have to be accusatory, angry, a really pointed, specific line of questioning. Pre-thought out, maybe right there in front of you on your lap or on your phone. And in the moment, you're serious. Serious face. We're not joyful about this. No.

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66:08 - 66:08 Jade Warshaw

No smiles.

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66:08 - 66:26 Ken Coleman

No amiableness. It is seriousness. But I think the questions asked properly... Make it very serious. They go, this is a person who did their homework. This is a person who has follow-ups. There is a line of questioning. They feel as though they are on a witness stand, and that's how it should be.

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66:26 - 66:40 Ken Coleman

You don't have to be ugly and accusatory because you're hoping to get to the bottom of this and get an actual solution. But by doing this, you're going to find out really quick if this is a fishy situation or if this is a fixable situation. That would be my take.

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66:40 - 66:48 Jade Warshaw

I like that. I love a furrowed brow, but a nod yes. Yeah.

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66:48 - 66:50 Ken Coleman

First question, how did this happen?

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66:50 - 66:51 Jade Warshaw

Yeah. Oh, okay.

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66:51 - 66:52 Ken Coleman

And stop talking.

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66:52 - 66:52 Jade Warshaw

Yes.

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66:53 - 67:19 Ken Coleman

How did this happen? That's a serious question. Then the follow-up is, has it been fixed? No. Will this ever happen again? What happens to the money that I earned that should have been put? That's the real question. These questions are going to imply a whole lot of seriousness. That would be my posture. Spoken from a guy, by the way, who's not done it well. All right. I mean, because I get it.

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67:20 - 67:29 Ken Coleman

I get how the heat should be pretty hot under the hood there. It should be steaming. But can we keep that in? And can we ask the questions that way? That helps us hopefully get some real responses.

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67:29 - 67:34 Jade Warshaw

I hope so. Yeah, this needs to be dealt with quickly.

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67:34 - 67:42 Ken Coleman

I almost might seek an employment lawyer on this. Not lock up a lot of time, but maybe a consultation.

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67:42 - 68:01 Jade Warshaw

I don't think I mean, don't get me wrong. This is not the type of thing that would ever happen here. But let's just pretend I looked at my investments and said, wait a minute, like my thing didn't go in there. I mean, I would go to my leader and or, you know, who's over HR or whatever and say, hey, here's what I discovered. Right. I would not be lawyering at this point.

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68:01 - 68:04 Jade Warshaw

I'd be doing what you're doing, which is asking serious questions.

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68:04 - 68:11 Ken Coleman

This is the thing, though. They've already apologized. That's true. We have an admission of guilt here.

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68:11 - 68:17 Jade Warshaw

At this point, then I'd wait for the next round. And if I see it again, because my thing is if I see it again, then yeah.

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68:17 - 68:25 Ken Coleman

I'm sorry. I should have done a better job asking you. If you know you've got to go have this conversation with the leader, which they do, I might consult an employment lawyer.

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68:25 - 68:27 Jade Warshaw

Yeah, I probably would at that point.

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68:27 - 68:29 Ken Coleman

So I know what should be.

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68:29 - 68:38 Jade Warshaw

You know what I mean? This is very fishy. Listen, I don't want to do anybody wrong, but they took a loan.

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68:38 - 68:39 Ken Coleman

It smells over there.

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68:39 - 68:40 Jade Warshaw

That was a loan.

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68:40 - 68:44 Ken Coleman

I get it. Let's go to Denver, Colorado next where David awaits. David, how can we help?

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68:46 - 69:13 Tyrone

Hi, I'm starting to work the, well, I'm working Baby Step 2 and I have been using a credit card for all of my like day-to-day purchases and I pay that credit card off every month, but I'm looking to stop using it and I'm just a little hesitant to like start carrying a balance so that I have like the money to just use the debit card for other things and then like have to carry that as I pay that one off too instead of just like

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69:14 - 69:25 Tyrone

paying it off. And so I'm not sure, like, is it something where I should like wait a month or two and save up the extra money? Or should I just go and carry the balance and pay it off as quickly as possible?

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69:26 - 69:45 Jade Warshaw

So, okay, let me filter it through the baby steps. So when you're paying off debt using the debt snowball method, what we say to do is you pay minimum payments on everything so that you're satisfying whatever your debts are for that month. You're paying, you know, you're doing the things on your budget that are necessary for that month, whatever they may be.

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69:45 - 70:04 Jade Warshaw

I mean, everybody pays their rent or mortgage, you pay your groceries, you pay your minimums on your debt, and then the extra money after that goes to paying off your smallest debt. So you do need to satisfy with your own cash the things that the month requires. And which for you, that's going to feel some type of way because you're used to doing that with your credit card.

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70:05 - 70:17 Jade Warshaw

So essentially, you're used to taking all of your income and throwing it to your credit card to paying it off. And this month, you're going to go, no, I'm going to take my income and I'm going to use it on my life and what the margin is I'm going to use to pay off that credit card.

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70:17 - 70:38 Jade Warshaw

And what you're going to discover there when you do that is what has been true all along, which is that money was debt and you were borrowing it and now you owe it and have to pay it back. That's what that's going to feel like. You're going to actually feel that you've been in debt this whole time. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I'm proud of you. I'm glad that you've seen the light.

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70:38 - 70:43 Jade Warshaw

You've had that moment. What caused you to go, you know, I don't want to do this anymore?

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70:46 - 71:04 Tyrone

Um... It just like it's a little hard to plan, like when you're the bill is finished on the 20th of the month, but you don't pay for it until the 15th of the next. And so it seems a lot more simple to manage the other way.

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71:05 - 71:29 Jade Warshaw

Well, listen, I want you to have every dollar. That's going to be a great way for you to make this transition into using your own money. And let me just say, and Ken, I know you can speak to this. When you have been a person who... you've let credit cards run their scam on you, which what credit cards do is they say, hey, we'll make your life easier for you. Easy in the word in quotes.

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71:29 - 71:47 Jade Warshaw

But what it's really does is it steals your confidence to handle your own money. That's what it does because you have this crutch that you've been relying on that's always there. It's debt, but you don't feel like it's debt. And then the moment you remove it, suddenly most of us are like, oh my gosh, I don't even know what to do with my own income. It feels exposing.

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71:48 - 72:02 Jade Warshaw

And so that you're going to feel that for a moment and then you're going to go oh wait I actually make money and I work hard for my money and I should have the dignity of managing it and spending it in and of my control.

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72:07 - 72:12 Ken Coleman

There you go. And what will change is, I was waiting for him to respond because the emotion there.

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72:12 - 72:14 Jade Warshaw

He's licking his wounds. He really is.

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72:14 - 72:31 Ken Coleman

But I love that he told you why the call, why the change. The stress of living off of that credit card way that a lot of people do that. Well, I'm going to use it for this and then pay it off. And for him, he's not wired for that. And I'm just thinking about how light he's going to feel.

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72:32 - 72:37 Ken Coleman

You know, when he just starts to do it this way, the way you've told him, and he goes, okay, now I am in full control. I don't have that angst.

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72:37 - 72:53 Jade Warshaw

And you're not behind a month. When you do that, you're always behind a month. And so what happens, you put everything on your American Express, and then what happens if you lose your job? Now you just owe the money, but you didn't get your paycheck. So there's method to the madness, people.

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72:53 - 73:05 Ken Coleman

Good stuff. Thanks for the call, David. It's going to work. Take a deep breath. Maybe three or four. and it's going to be great. All right, don't move. Quick break. More of your calls coming up. She's Jade Warshaw. I'm Ken Coleman. You're listening to The Ramsey Show.

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73:42 - 74:11 Ken Coleman

Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I'm Ken Coleman. Jade Warshaw is with me, and we are here for you. 888-825-5225. 888-825-5225. A couple quick things here before we get back to the phones. You need to be tuned in to a new show called 90 Day Money Makeover. I'm a little excited about this because my partner today, the colleague here next to me, Jade Warshaw.

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74:11 - 74:13 Ken Coleman

You put it on your old Instagram the other day.

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74:13 - 74:24 Ken Coleman

Ken, just tell the folks we're friends. Partner, colleague. We are friends. Thank you. I just mean in the... Okay. Sam and Jade and me, we all go to dinner. We hang out.

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74:24 - 74:30 Jade Warshaw

We hang out. Thank you, Ken. Sorry. Just put some respect on our relationship here. Well, the respect was the colleague.

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74:31 - 74:39 Ken Coleman

It's a broadcasting thing. I'm old school. I was trained on things like that. It's all just throwaway words. She's my dear friend. Thank you.

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74:39 - 74:41 Ken Coleman

We actually hang out. Let's get into it.

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74:42 - 74:52 Ken Coleman

I was bragging on you. You posted something on the gram. And I saw it and I was like, all right. Because I'm not paying attention to your schedule.

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74:52 - 74:52 Jade Warshaw

I know, I know.

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74:52 - 74:57 Ken Coleman

90-day money makeover. You want to tell folks about it or I can tell them about it?

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74:57 - 75:13 Jade Warshaw

I'll tell them a little something. All right. So a while back we said, what would it be like? You know, we take calls on the show all the time, Ken. And we give them advice, but we don't know if they're actually going to take the advice. So we thought it would be really cool to follow somebody who calls into the Ramsey show and actually help them take the advice.

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75:13 - 75:19 Jade Warshaw

And so we follow them over the course of 90 days. And we've done a couple of these episodes and they have been really, really, really.

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75:19 - 75:23 Ken Coleman

I remember you telling me about this one where you were out like on a farm.

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75:23 - 75:46 Jade Warshaw

Like I'm talking about on the farm. It took you a while to get there as I recall. It did. I was fighting for my life out there. Let me tell you, it was great though. The life change that takes place over the course of 90 days is absolutely incredible. And it really just, I mean, it's amazing. So anyway, 90 Day Money Makeover, it's available now. The first episode came out yesterday.

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75:46 - 76:02 Jade Warshaw

It's on YouTube. You can go to the Ramsey Show highlights page and watch it. The first episode, we follow a single mom, Heather Hartman. Let me tell you, Heather is amazing. I feel like we're bonded for life after this. But she's such a strong woman, hard worker, but she was drowning in debt.

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76:02 - 76:11 Ken Coleman

My production notes say that you may or may not have challenged her to sell some chickens, a calf, and even a calf. Is this true? When I met her, she had 50 chickens.

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76:12 - 76:14 Jade Warshaw

How much does a chicken fetch? Bro, I don't know.

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76:15 - 76:16 Ken Coleman

But you told her to sell them.

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76:16 - 76:30 Jade Warshaw

I told her to sell them. She had three cows. I can't wait to watch it. Were you wearing overalls by any chance? No, but they convinced me to wear boots. No flannel, though? They convinced me to wear flannel. Oh, I got to tune in just to see that. Listen, I was in my Green Acres era.

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76:32 - 76:34 Ken Coleman

Did you buy boots for this episode?

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76:34 - 76:36 Jade Warshaw

I did, and they were ugly. They were terrible.

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76:36 - 76:37 Ken Coleman

What were they? Do we know?

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76:37 - 76:37 Jade Warshaw

Amazon.

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76:38 - 76:39 Ken Coleman

Oh, you didn't go with Timberland or anything?

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76:39 - 76:44 Jade Warshaw

No, because I wanted people to know that it was a joke. I didn't want them to think that I was trying to do that.

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76:44 - 76:47 Ken Coleman

I could see you wearing some really killer Timberlands on this episode.

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76:47 - 76:47 Jade Warshaw

Maybe next time.

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76:47 - 76:51 Ken Coleman

Maybe next time. I'm sorry, I interrupted you. So you coach her up in this episode.

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76:51 - 77:16 Jade Warshaw

yeah coach her up and and she's gone through a lot she's divorced trying to work through a divorce she's got children she's got debt it's a lot and a huge farm that she had so watch the episode uh she really did does change her life so again available on youtube or click the link in the show notes or you can just write on in there to the highlights as much as you laugh about going out to the farm they made a good choice in choosing you not me i mean there's no chance you're getting this listen

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77:16 - 77:21 Ken Coleman

This J.Crew Ralph guy out there on the chickens. Instant entertainment.

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77:21 - 77:25 Jade Warshaw

I don't belong out there. Jaden Ken on a farm.

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77:25 - 77:40 Ken Coleman

Yeah, from a silly standpoint. It wouldn't be much redeemable content. They show me all these farm tools. I'd be like, what do you do with this? I have no idea, and I don't like calluses either. Unless it's from a pickleball paddle or a golf club. Those are the only two.

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77:40 - 78:01 Ken Coleman

that i like to get good to know all right it's gonna be fun it's really good it looks good i saw it on on jade's instagram so it's very very good trailer looks great yeah it's very good i can't wait uh you know what we need to do we need to have you and sam over and we'll watch it we'll do a watch party since we hang out all the time i yes people want to know that not in the hot tub because we won't do that no

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78:02 - 78:03 Ken Coleman

I didn't know that was an option.

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78:03 - 78:12 Jade Warshaw

Well, you guys don't know this, but during the break, Ken told me about his hot tub. He told me about his new espresso machine. He told me about his deck. I'm like, I need to come to y'all's house, Ken.

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78:12 - 78:13 Ken Coleman

All right. You're welcome.

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78:15 - 78:15 Jade Warshaw

Take a call.

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78:15 - 78:21 Ken Coleman

Moving on. Jenny is on the line in Dallas, Texas. Jenny, how can we help?

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78:23 - 78:26 Jenny

Hi. Hi, Kim. Hi, Jade. Thank you for taking my call.

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78:26 - 78:27 Ken Coleman

You bet.

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78:27 - 79:10 Jenny

I just have a question. My husband and I have about $167,000 worth of debt, and I really wish I had found y'all sooner. We are on baby step two, and... The house is $125,000 and we have some consumer debt of $42,000. Okay. And my question is, my husband has, we've been married for seven years, seven plus years, and he has a separate account than mine. We have two checking accounts and then he has

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79:11 - 79:30 Jenny

an emergency account that he only has access to, and I'm not really sure how much is in there, but he does use it for emergencies and for, like, we have all of our vehicles paid off, and they do need work from time to time, so that has come in handy.

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79:30 - 79:31 Jade Warshaw

Okay.

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79:32 - 80:00 Jenny

And he's kind of, we've kind of done this thing where he pays the house note and then I pay the consumer side of it and he's wanting me to, um, like just get in there and get us out of debt. Oh, okay. And I'm like, um, we need to put everything in one checking account. Right.

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80:00 - 80:01 Jade Warshaw

And what does he say to that?

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80:01 - 80:10 Jenny

Um, he just says, well, I want you to have your own money. Um, And I'm just, I know that.

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80:11 - 80:31 Jade Warshaw

Is there precedent? Like, is there a, can you see a reason for this? Like, are you guys coming from relationships where there was lack of trust, where there was some form of abuse or control? Is there a divorce? You know, was there anything that would cause him to say, I want to keep mine over here and you over there?

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80:32 - 80:54 Jenny

See, and that's something that I've asked him before because I don't have a problem with us having the same account. You know, that doesn't bother... We've been together for over seven years. I mean, it's not... I'm not going anywhere. He's not going anywhere, so... I'm not really sure. And at this age, I mean, we're in our 50s.

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80:54 - 80:59 Jenny

So it's not like we're spring chickens and we're just trying to I want to get all this.

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80:59 - 81:20 Jade Warshaw

Well, that's kind of what made me ask, because if you're coming from previous relationships, I'm just trying to get into his headspace a little bit. I'm talking to you right now. And clearly you're on board with it, which, by the way, I think you're right. I'm just trying to understand what's giving him fuel to that fire. Did you have a season where you were spending like crazy?

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81:21 - 81:23 Jade Warshaw

Is there anything other than just him wanting it this way?

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81:24 - 81:54 Jenny

Honestly, I'm the one that gets stuff paid off, and he's always bragging about me. And I'm like, well, if you really want to do this, I want to do the scorched earth approach. And he's not a fan of that, which I can get, you know. He does put, you know, a portion of his check, every check into this other account that I don't have access to, which is for emergencies and all of that.

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81:54 - 81:57 Jade Warshaw

Have you asked for access to the emergency fund account?

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81:58 - 82:12 Jenny

Yes. And what does he say? He just is kind of like, well, it's okay. I've got you covered, you know, and I'm just, It kind of frustrates me in a way.

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82:13 - 82:35 Jade Warshaw

Yeah, listen, that's a red flag. That's definitely a red flag. I don't like that. I feel like that's a controlling effort, if I'm just being honest. And what I find, and, you know, Ken and I are both, you know, we both have been in long-term marriages. Ken, I've been married 18. You've been married... Coming up on 27th. Right. So here's what I know.

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82:35 - 82:51 Jade Warshaw

If I say to my spouse, here's the way I'm feeling. I'm feeling like we're separate in this area and I want us to come together in this area. Or here's something that's causing me to really feel unsafe or on bad footing here. Sam is going to come and go, okay, let's fix that.

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82:52 - 83:02 Jade Warshaw

The fact that he is not aware or caring about the things that are making you feel unsafe or making you feel separate from him is a red flag. And I would take that to counseling immediately.

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83:03 - 83:23 Ken Coleman

Yeah, I agree. Couldn't agree more. I think this is a therapy session. Marriage issue first, money issue second. I also would say to you, let's get him on that page. Let's chill out on the scorched earth and teach him the momentum once we get him on the same page. Good hour, Jade. Thank you so much for joining us here, America. This is your show. This is The Ramsey Show.

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83:50 - 84:15 Jade Warshaw

Hey friends, the first episode of 90 Day Money Makeover is available right now. This new series follows real people as they take on the challenge of transforming their finances and their lives in just 90 days. Watch as they navigate the highs and lows of this journey and as I walk alongside of them every step of the way. Okay, now here's a little sneak peek of what the new episode is all about.

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84:16 - 84:21 Heather

What's going on, Heather? I'm just, I'm tired of debt controlling me in all aspects of my life.

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84:24 - 84:31 Jade Warshaw

She's got a lot going on. We've got to simplify it. She's got the farm, the divorce, the debt. We're just praying the money's there, I guess.

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84:31 - 84:33 Promo Voice

You can't pray.

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84:34 - 84:36 Jade Warshaw

Are you ready to commit to it? Are you going to do it?

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84:36 - 84:42 Heather

I need help. I'm done with it. Getting the truck listed and putting that up for sale.

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84:42 - 84:53 Jade Warshaw

Oh my gosh, I'm going to see you. Do I want to pet a chicken? No. I see you doing a lot that wasn't even part of the homework, and we're only at the 30-day point. I want to be undressed.

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84:53 - 84:55 Promo Voice

She's about to go through divorce, right?

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84:55 - 85:04 Jade Warshaw

There's no guarantee that the bank would let her keep the house. I want you to start dreaming what another living situation might look like if it doesn't go your way.

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85:06 - 85:09 Heather

It's not what I want to do, but it's not always what I want to do.

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85:10 - 85:14 Promo Voice

Very few people are sitting on one variable that could change everything.

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85:14 - 85:21 Heather

It's just really hard. I can't keep this up for another year.

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