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You Can Still Escape the Debt Spiral Before Itโ€™s Too Late

Wed, 09 Apr 2025

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Chapter 1: How should I handle a poorly maintained inherited rental property with back taxes?

14.585 - 41.678 Ken Coleman

This is The Ramsey Show, where America hangs out to have a conversation about life, specifically your money, your profession, and your relationships. 888-825-5225 is the phone number to jump in. We'd love to hear from you. 888-825-5225. Joining me today is Dr. John Deloney. I'm Ken Coleman. We're excited to be together to help you out. Let's get it going with Michaela in Raleigh, North Carolina.

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41.698 - 42.878 Ken Coleman

Michaela, how can we help today?

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44.571 - 47.632 Michael

Good afternoon. Thank you so much for allowing me to receive your wisdom today.

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47.652 - 56.056 Ken Coleman

Oh, boy. Well, don't thank us too soon. That is youth. We haven't even dispensed of it yet, but I like how optimistic you are. What's going on?

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56.636 - 82.908 Michael

So I have both a money and a relationship question all in one. In January, my father-in-law sadly passed away and left behind my mother-in-law. They were married 52 years, and he handled all of the finances. So on his deathbed, my father-in-law asked my husband to take care of his mom and take care of the rental property, which is going to be basically her income going forward. All great.

83.448 - 101.227 Michael

We didn't realize until a couple months in that the property was left very poorly maintained. There were some back taxes on it. There's been no insurance on the property. HOA is very high. So after we looked at all the numbers, we realized this is never going to be a truly income producing property where she can actually receive income from it.

102.188 - 122.275 Michael

Um, and the only reason it has been lately is because it was not maintained well. So it's been a point of contention because, um, it makes sense to sell it and get her something else that's more income producing for her, but she doesn't understand all of that. And she's very scared right now. And my husband just wants to leave everything as is. Um,

124.981 - 139.213 Michael

And she thinks that we're kind of stealing her money right now, which is not the case. We're just trying to back pay ourselves from all the expense we had to put into the rental property. So my question is, because the death is still so recent, do we just leave everything alone for right now?

140.153 - 149.581 Michael

Or should we pursue selling it and buying something that would actually be income producing for her, for her to live off of? And if so, at what time does that make sense to do that?

Chapter 2: Should I quit my job to attend business school with a full scholarship?

724.613 - 728.555 Ken Coleman

And what's her income? You're going to go from combined income of what to what?

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730.147 - 761.192 Terrence

uh combined 210 stable to about 98. okay you've crunched these numbers and you guys are not going to be struggling just a little bit tighter true or false um we won't be struggling we'll be tighter we do have our our um our funds already that we have security and we also have some money that we have available in investments that we're willing to Okay, so a couple things here I'm hearing.

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761.332 - 772.906 Ken Coleman

We don't want you using the emergency fund just to pad the income. Emergency fund is for emergencies only. And then I get nervous when I hear you talk about moving around investments. What does that mean?

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775.359 - 785.085 Terrence

Well, so from what we did, we said we will be able to afford this change in income based on our expenses.

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785.105 - 800.856 Dr. John Deloney

Travis, let me recontextualize this. When you call the Ramsey Show and say you're struggling, people, when they call us, they don't know how they're going to pay rent or they don't have food. Gotcha. So when you say you're struggling, does that mean you don't know how you're going to pay your light bill and you may have to sell some stock to pay your light bill?

800.996 - 804.518 Dr. John Deloney

Or are you saying we're not going to be able to go out to eat for two years while you knock out business school?

805.868 - 810.935 Ken Coleman

Well, no, I didn't say that I was struggling. No, he said they won't struggle. He said it would be tight. Ah, okay. Tighter.

811.015 - 813.057 Dr. John Deloney

I thought he said he was going to struggle, too. No, no.

813.598 - 818.585 Ken Coleman

If I heard you right, Travis, you didn't say you guys will be struggling to make it paycheck to paycheck, correct?

Chapter 3: How do I manage $40k credit card debt while dealing with health issues?

1776.204 - 1796.113 Dr. John Deloney

Here's me telling you I love you. The greatest gift you could give as a caretaker for somebody else is to make sure you're okay. And right now, your body is revolting for a number of different reasons. But I'm going to suggest that one of the main reasons is it knows you're not safe because it doesn't have groceries. It doesn't have a roof.

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1798.214 - 1825.156 Dr. John Deloney

It doesn't have a friend that you can go laugh with or weep with. And so this is going to sound counterintuitive, but not kind of hoping. I would really love you to see for nobody else, but just Alexis, you to find two part-time jobs that you can do, even if it's uncomfortable, even if it's a little bit painful and begin to show your body. I can.

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1828.74 - 1848.18 Dr. John Deloney

And that goes counter to everything, and I don't want to minimize your pain. I know you're in a ton of pain. And like you said, that not knowing, there's no name to this dragon that keeps burning down how you feel every day. Like, man, that is haunting. I get that. And it may be that when you get these diagnostics, you can go file for SSI and go through that whole complex place, but...

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1849.201 - 1852.282 Dr. John Deloney

I don't see a path forward, but you've got to make some money.

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1852.502 - 1869.045 Ken Coleman

I agree with you, John, wholeheartedly. Alexis, real quick here. What we've got to do is you've got to come up with a baseline of what I need to make to be able to just survive, take care of myself. And then I know the $43,000 or $44,000 seems insurmountable. It's actually not. It's not.

1870.206 - 1871.906 Dr. John Deloney

Don't file for bankruptcy. Please don't.

1871.946 - 1875.967 Ken Coleman

Don't sign up for one of these dumb credit things. Just get yourself above water.

1876.627 - 1900.779 Ken Coleman

by working the two jobs or whatever i couldn't agree more with you john and that means care about you as much as you care about you've got other people in your life you've got what it takes alexis but you got to fight right now or this is going to get way worse so fight you know one of the first things i discovered working in the financial world is how absolutely devastating it is when the breadwinner of a family dies

1901.687 - 1923.396 Sponsor

and there's too little life insurance or none at all. Grieving families are suddenly left behind scrambling to pay bills and trying to make ends meet. I also discovered that there are a lot of rip offs in the life insurance world like that whole life crap posing as an investment opportunity. What you need is level term life insurance, usually 10 to 12 times your income.

Chapter 4: What is the best strategy to pay off multiple debts including student loans and a car loan at a young age?

2953.321 - 2958.022 Dr. John Deloney

Can we double click on that? You're a teacher? What did your wife do?

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2958.122 - 2964.723 Timothy Plan Ad Voice

She was in property management. And so, yeah, I taught elementary and she was in property management.

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2965.223 - 2967.764 Ken Coleman

What's the most you guys ever made combined income?

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2969.5 - 2975.221 Timothy Plan Ad Voice

Probably around, oh, maybe about $170,000. Yeah, very cool.

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2975.281 - 2976.801 Dr. John Deloney

Good for you. Congratulations, guys.

2977.261 - 2989.304 Timothy Plan Ad Voice

Yeah, and I mean, we just got to the point where we doubled down on our house payment. When we bought our last house, we did a very short mortgage, and we just doubled up on everything. That's awesome, man.

2989.444 - 2995.645 Ken Coleman

Congrats. So when you called us and started this call, which way were you leaning? Were you going to buy it, or were you leaning against not getting it?

2996.801 - 3006.806 Timothy Plan Ad Voice

Well, we weren't, weren't really sure. We had just started to check into it probably the last two weeks. Um, we've talked to like one of our financial advisors. Um, she gave us some options to go.

3007.286 - 3030.731 Timothy Plan Ad Voice

And I guess one of the questions that I wanted to ask you guys is, um, some of the people that we had talked to had recommended, uh, like a life insurance policy with the writer and then some of them were like strictly life insurance. And when we got thinking about it, some of the policies, Basically, if you didn't use them for long-term health care, you had no money at the end of the policy.

Chapter 5: When is it necessary to consider long-term health care insurance?

Chapter 6: How to stay financially calm and on track during stock market volatility?

Chapter 7: What tools can help me check if I am on track with the Baby Steps?

Chapter 8: What live events involve Dave Ramsey and Dr. John Delony?

1631.849 - 1657.195 Ken Coleman

So we've already got $43,000 in debt. Doesn't sound like we have any kind of diagnosis or treatment plan in place right now. What do you anticipate? The timeline being that you get some type of diagnosis plus treatment and any sense of when you might be able to go to work and how are you going to stay alive financially? What do you know?

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1659.215 - 1672.729 Alex

So I'm hoping in the next six months I can get treatment for the diagnosis. I have been diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. I have tested positive for lupus, but it's a symptom-based disease. So we're trying to limit what is and what's not.

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1672.969 - 1676.373 Ken Coleman

Any sense from your doctors as to when you would be able to work?

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1679.353 - 1689.92 Alex

No, not really. The waiting time to get into specialists is pretty hard. I've been on waiting lists to get into neurologists and different rheumatologists, different GPs.

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1689.94 - 1693.943 Ken Coleman

So what's the plan as of right now to be able to fund your life?

1696.184 - 1715.34 Alex

As of right now, what I'm looking at is trying different things. I'm trying to see if I can do some part-time marketing. I'm also looking to see if I can do some part-time dog watching or dog sitting just to bring in some type of money. I'm hoping in the next six months I can get a diagnosis and get some semblance of my life back.

1715.861 - 1722.447 Dr. John Deloney

Well, the diagnosis, it's going to be a confirmation, but it won't be a magic wand.

1724.249 - 1728.793 Alex

No, I know that. But I think an answer would help.

1728.913 - 1752.034 Dr. John Deloney

Absolutely. Not being able to trust your own body is a terrifying proposition. No question. And so is it okay if Ken and I love you in a way that we tell you the truth that probably nobody has? Is that okay? Okay. Um, When it was about caring for you, somewhere along the way, you got the story that you're not worth caring about.

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