James
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Hi, everyone, and welcome to the podcast. I was going to go for a really Robert Evans intro there, but I bottled it. I am a coward, and I couldn't do it. I hate all of you. It's Margaret Killjoy, everyone, here to spread the good news. I was trying to Robert Evans it. Oh, okay, yeah. And doesn't he only hate a certain percentage of them? Oh, right. Statistically speaking, he likes some of you.
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Because I know some nice people that Zinda Robert likes. Maybe it's you, maybe it's not. You'll never know. Today, we're not here to talk about who Robert Evans likes, but we are here to talk about what to do if your house is going to burn down or you have to leave because they think it might burn down.
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This is obviously a topic that is front of mind for people in Southern California currently, given the...
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massive wildfires that have engulfed whole neighborhoods of los angeles there are fires in ventura and oxford as well now the whole of east county san diego is under a red flag warning fire conditions continue because climate change continues and we have decided as a society not to do anything about that and so this shit is going to be the rest of our lives
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Yeah. The United Kingdom has wildfires now, a thing that did not exist.
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We have land owned by the monarch fires. We have parks and protected land. We have commons to a degree, but not public land like the US does. When I was a kid, we used to burn the stubble in straw fields. That's how few fucks we gave about fires. We'd just burn it and then plow it back in. And air quality, I guess. That is not a thing that people engage in anymore. That's probably for the best.
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Fire, it's coming for you. It's happening everywhere. Hooray. Hooray. Yeah. Lucky you. The cleansing fire. I feel like there's a John Betjeman poem I could go off with here, but I'll spare you. All right. So if you are in a place where you are very likely to have to evacuate your home soonish for a fire, here are some things that you may wish to consider doing.
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I've harvested these from mutual aid groups in LA and from the CAL FIRE website where they give you advice on what to do if you're evacuating. The first thing that you'll want to do is turn off your gas. For those of you who are not familiar, this is a flammable substance. And your gas pipe rupturing and then catching on fire would be bad, would be sad. It's pretty easy to do this.
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Normally, you should have a valve near the meter. Some places will have what's called an earthquake shutoff or an earthquake valve where you won't need a tool. I'm not sure that... In fact, I'm pretty certain those are not mandatory, even in California, because I've lived places that don't have them. Then again, there are things that are mandatory that landlords just aren't doing.
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Yeah, yeah. Given that people outside of California are listening and the earthquakes are fortunately not coming for us all just yet, I would just suggest that you try and find where your gas shutoff is now. It's often where the gas comes into the property, like if there's a gas meter. And normally you're going to need some kind of tool to turn that.
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What I've used normally is just like an adjustable spanner or wrench, for those of you in the United States.
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Yeah, yes, yeah. Hi, fellow Californians. You can turn that valve so it turns parallel with the pipe. And that's going to shut off the gas coming into your house. Do you mean perpendicular to the pipe? I'm curious. I think parallel is shut off.
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Yeah, let me have a look. I'm checking now. Yeah, sorry, it wants to be at 90 degrees to the pipe. So it should be in line with the pipe when you start at 90 degrees to the pipe when you turn it off.
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Yeah, that's much easier visually. If you imagine like the hole in the valve lining up with the handle thing on there. Do you want to turn that off? I've seen some suggestions that you want to turn water off. Generally, the advice is not to turn your water off and to hook up your outdoor hoses to your outdoor taps such that they can be used if they need to be used.
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I have seen some suggestions to turn water off because I guess people's pipes are bursting, which is decreasing water pressure.
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Right. Like in the case of California, you can go to CAL FIRE, right? There will be evacuation advice on the CAL FIRE website. There might even be on your city website. Some of it is useful. This is a useful thing. If you do need to turn off your water, again, water shutoffs could be in a variety of places. So it kind of depends, especially if you're on a well, you're probably rural.
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And if you're rural, you're probably going to be leaving it on.
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It can sometimes be at the side of your house. You might need to give this a little bit of WD-40. Sometimes there's a little plastic box as well, and the little plastic box has a little hole, and you kind of have to shove a screwdriver in that hole and pop it open.
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Yes, yeah, that's city water, yeah. If you have a water meter box and the shutoff's in there. Familiarize yourself with that stuff now so that you're not doing it in a panic later. And that's kind of where a lot of what we're talking about today is important. If you do it now, you don't have to dash about your house grabbing, thinking, is this important? Do I need this? Do I need that? Right.
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Because like I've evacuated for a while. I was living in California a few times. I like to think I have it pretty down now, but definitely the first time I was, you know, freshly minted European migrant. It was not familiar with this stuff and definitely just ran around grabbing things. It turned out to be the wrong things. It's like, cool, I've got three bicycles here.
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Yeah, so you couldn't use your standard socket set or what have you. So that's why you need these specialised keys. Yeah, and they're not very expensive. You can buy them online.
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But they're alright, as far as I can tell. Yeah, and you're hopefully not going to need to use them very much. Other things that you should turn on or off, turn off your air conditioning. No one's in the house anyway, don't need it. I would consider leaving your exterior lights on. This is just going to help firefighters see things and see your house in the event that your house is still there.
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You can close your windows and doors. It's amazing how much difference closed doors even internally make in fire spread. There are plenty of videos you can watch about this online, but it's amazing how much different it makes having those closed. But you don't want to lock your front door. Like, you're going to see a lot of stuff about looting.
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I will tell you right now that the people who are looting from wildfire survivors are the landlords who are charging 150% of the rent that they were a month ago for people to find a place to live.
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Have it. Yeah, yeah. Lucky you. I hope you don't get burned. Yeah. Compared to if a firefighter needs to enter that house to prevent it burning down, it takes a meaningful amount of time to break down a door. Yeah. And you can save that time by leaving it open. So yeah, that is something that I think you will get the wrong impression of if you're watching too much corporate news.
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If you can, close metal shutters on your windows, but remove curtains. Flammable things near windows, generally not a good idea, right? That makes sense. So if you've got fabric curtains, I know they look nice, but take them down. Or you could just live like me and never purchase curtains and just, I don't have the sun in your face. It's just what is happening to me right now.
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Where you hang your curtains. Yeah, James is effectively squatting in a house that he actually rents. You should also move flammable items into the middle of the room. again, right? That's where the fire is not. And then before you go, choose an outfit that covers your legs and arms, right? And you want to wear some sturdy shoes as well.
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Something that's comfortable, something you could potentially sleep in and wear for a few days and not be uncomfortable. Shoes that you could walk in, right? We saw a lot of people in L.A., weren't able to take their vehicles as far as they had expected to be able to.
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And so having a pair of shoes that you're comfortable in, your nice, comfy walking shoes, is definitely a useful thing to have and something to think about. I hope you're not listening to this dashing around your house. If you are, best of luck. Yeah, good luck to you. Yeah, but you can prepare all this stuff now.
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For the outside of your house, flammable stuff that might catch outside your house is best either bought inside, inside your shed, if you have a shed or a garage or something. Or in a particularly California piece of advice, Cal Fire suggests chucking your patio furniture in the pool. So... That is the thing that you can do. That makes some sense. It does.
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Have you seen the picture of this lady in the 90s who put all her fine china in her swimming pool before evacuating in a wildfire? Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. It's very like of the time. Like it was a time when people could afford swimming pools. And also people had china that they cared about, which is something that our generation generally does not. Yeah.
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Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently it's a big issue with people like inheriting China and not wanting it and just dumping it on Goodwills. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah, I can see that. So, yeah, you can put stuff in your pool if you don't want it to burn, if it is possible for you to do that. You had something you mentioned, Margaret, about your fence, right? Living in a more rural setting.
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Yeah, it's metal. That's just the name of it. Oh, okay. It's what they put into concrete, I think. I use it to build chicken runs for similar reasons. Well, because raccoon hands can't get through it and raccoons, they're bastards as it turns out.
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Yeah. Amusingly, we used one of those when I was a kid. We had a horse that liked to get out. And one day she got out. We all went looking for her, of course. There were some wealthy people who like, well, they didn't live in the village that we lived in. They owned it because Britain has never moved on from the feudal era. And they had a pool and that was where our horse was.
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And so the fire brigade came and they used one of those things, just pumped out the water and just like hosed down the surrounding garden. And then we came with the tractor and we put some different straw bales of different sizes and made a set of stairs and got her out.
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yeah just like rural people living the dream uh yeah yeah she was a good horse misty yeah we we had a lot of horses that like we had access to land and not a great deal of finances so we inherited problematic horses i think for people who had like okay who had the means to purchase that is relatable to the americans yeah okay yeah yeah yeah any people find themselves in this situation i'm sure
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Yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah. It's the rich people who buy fancy horses and then like find that horse not to their liking and can afford to discard a living thing that they spent more than a car is worth on.
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Yes, they are. Vets cost a lot. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, make sure, not quite in horse relation, but if you are more of a horseless carriage transport person, if you are, this is a very American thing, in possession of an electric garage door opener, it is a good idea to work out how to open your garage without that. Yeah.
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because you don't want to be in a situation where you can't use your vehicle because you can't open your garage. Or you don't want to be dashing around going, where's the bloody cord? Not the time. So work out how to do it. Now, also your front gate. Hopefully you don't live in a gated community. It's not the way to live. But if you do, for whatever reason, you know, know how to open the gates.
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Or if you have an electric front gate to your drive, I suppose, know how to open that. Margaret, now would be a good time for us to pause for ads. I wonder if we will get an advert for electric garage doors. Or electric horses.
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We'll find out in this advertising break. All right. We are back. And we're continuing on the theme of animals because they are our little friends. Yeah. So if you have animals inside your house, pets. We had farm animals inside my house growing up. So I guess it's not exclusive to pets. We used to bring the lambs in when it was cold. Little orphan lambs.
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Again, this is turning into like James story time. It's okay. It's cute stories. People are in possession of a range, like a big cooking. If you have a very old house in the UK, or again, if you're rich, you have these like coal burning or oil burning ovens. So they stay at a temperature and they have a number of doors.
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The coldest one, you can put a lamb in there in the wintertime and you can keep it warm that way. Like an alive one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, any of them. You can put a dead one in if you felt the need. But this isn't a way of cooking. I see what you're saying. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're looking to take care of the animal, you put him in there and keep him warm.
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So if you have pets in your house, things to do before you evacuate would be make sure they have a collar on, which has your name and your contact information.
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I'm a big fan of the breakaway collars, especially for dogs. We never had collars on our dogs growing up because our dogs were... always out in the fields, right, and going through hedges and stuff, and you don't want them to get caught up.
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And so I'm a big fan of those, especially in a situation where your pet's going to be scared, you know, God forbid that you lose, your pet goes running for a bit. You don't want them to get caught up by their neck.
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Yes, yeah. I was going to say, now is a good time, when you have the time, to chip your pets, to make sure you have a carrier, make sure you have their vaccination records, all that stuff.
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Yeah, yeah. Hopefully you and your pet will be fine. You'll come home in a few days. But keeping that stuff is important. If you have a cat, you can buy those little mobile litter boxes. If you're in danger of having to evacuate, just buy one and check it in your vehicle now. Of course, any medications that your pet has, right?
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You'll want to have a supply of those and those will want to be in your little go bag. It's also nice to have some familiar toys and things that smell like home. Yeah. So consider putting them in the carrier now and then they'll just be there and you won't have to look for them. They have advice if you have to leave your pet, which would be a pretty heartbreaking situation, to be honest. I...
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And I don't think I would leave them to burn, I think.
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Yeah, a few years ago, my friend and I were in a situation where a stables had more horses than it did vehicles. And we were able to go in a vehicle with a tow truck and just help. They would load them up and just be like, go to the evacuation point with these horses. And so having a plan for that is good. But yeah, I know I struggle because of leaving pets.
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I grew up with dogs and they were part of my family.
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Yeah, I heard about people in LA who were forced to leave relatives who were not mobile, which is just fucking heartbreaking. Just, you know, one of the worst things I could imagine happening.
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Yeah. If you have older people in your neighborhood, people who might not have their cell phone on or on them all the time, they might not get that like beep, beep, buzz, buzz.
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Yeah, yeah. A few years ago, I helped some older neighbors evacuate. You live in a community and you need to take responsibility and take care of one another. If you have livestock, again, like, you know, I grew up with livestock. I think
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You're taking responsibility for that animal's life, and that includes situations where you might have to help that animal escape in a way that is not necessarily lucrative for you. So that might just mean opening your fences, opening your gates, if you're not able to evacuate that animal, at least giving it a chance.
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You can, before, just to avoid having yourself in that situation, you need to make transport arrangements. You should be able to look where large animals' refuges are. In San Diego, in the big fires maybe 15 years ago, they had them on Fiesta Island for a while. It's a little island out in the bay. Or Del Mar Racecourse is often a place in San Diego where you can take them.
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You should be able to find that now. If you're in Los Angeles, you can find that now. Again, you're going to want to have your essential documentation. You are not going to want nylon halters for your livestock. I've seen a lot of people have nylon lead ropes for horses. We had like more hempy ones when I was younger, just because those are much less likely to melt, right?
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I'm not sure that's why we had them in the UK, but we had them because we'd had them for a long time. But plasticky things that can melt, you don't want to put them around your horse's head or near your horse.
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If you have chickens right now, you're going to run into the issue of avian flu, which is a further complication. So this is the scenario of a big chicken shelter where you take them. It's not a good one for avian flu reasons, also for chicken dynamics reasons. So that means you should make a plan now.
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You might have a friend who you're like, hey, I know that you're not normally a poultry person, but would it be cool in the event of us having to evacuate for me and my chickens to come and stay at your house? Making a plan now is going to avoid you being in a very difficult situation of either driving around with your birds in your truck, being like, where the fuck can I go?
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The last thing I have here, and then we're going to move on to packing your go bag, is insurance. My house flooded when I was a kid. It completely leveled the first floor of the house. Everything was gone.
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Yeah, it's true. It was actually the... I love to... It was the ground floor.
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Yeah, yeah. I love to go into a lift and be confused in this country. After 16 years of living here, go up and down, up and down, playing this stupid game until I Google what do Americans call their floors. But you can't do it because you're in the lift and your phone doesn't work. It's one of my favorite experiences.
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Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, yeah. An elevator lift. Yeah, it's not an elevating experience for me. My favorite thing to pick on James Sabat.
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Yeah, it was never an issue when I worked in a building with a lift and would routinely miss my own floor, so much so that I just took a fire escape. So I remember it taking months. The time I was working in construction and what we were doing was for the most part pulling wet carpet out of people's homes that had flooded. Highly recommend not doing that as a way to make a living if you can.
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It's not... Not good for the body, not good for the soul. Not good for the lungs, probably. Cleaning out restaurants like a month later. The power had been off for a month just going into the walk-in. Oh my God. I've never seen so many people vomit like one after the other being like, no, I can do it. I'm a builder. Like, yeah, pretty horrific. So don't recommend.
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If you can, go around your house taking a video of your stuff. It will just make it easier. Like this happened to my family in like maybe the early 2000s. It wasn't possible. Well, I mean, I could have got the old like Sony Handycam out, but I didn't.
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So now, you know, you have a video camera in your pocket going around your house, taking a video, especially of, you know, the things that are expensive and hard to move. You're going to rely on insurance to replace. Yeah.
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Yeah, I think it... Don't put it on Facebook. Yeah, don't direct the insurance company to your Instagram where you post an interior video of your home every month. That's your thing, I guess. Join us next month for Behind the Podcasts. Yeah, podcast cribs. It's just me in my shed. It's me critiquing your interior design. That will be a weekly podcast for some time.
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LA things that I've heard people, things that you will need. If you have a nebulizer, if you're a person who uses a nebulizer to help them breathe, those are in very high demand. You're probably not going to be able to replace it. So bring that with you. If you have medications, ideally grab the meds in the little orange thing
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and take those with you that way you've got the rx number and you can easily go to a pharmacy and be like hey this is my prescription for me it has my name and the rx number can you issue me an emergency supply and that's something they should be able to do and also if you grab the whole bottle then you've got you know hopefully a decent supply hopefully your insurance isn't annoying and only lets you get three weeks at a time
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I will not name any companies because I think it is against my contract to do that. I will say that if you have your important documents, potentially your deed to your house, if you own one, your car, your passport, your birth certificate is a big one.
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Yeah, any green card, visa, that kind of thing, especially those in the after. Well, this will come out in the era of Trump 2.0. So those documents are going to be very important for some people, right? Your DACA registration. Put those in a file. and grab the whole thing, bring it with you. Do not rely on scanning copies of those, especially your immigration documents.
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If you're a person who has firearms, records of the serial numbers of those are going to be useful. And again, I would just snap a picture. It's not reasonable or sensible to be taking a lot of firearms with you in a situation like this. You're not going to need them. And there's going to be a lot of places that you won't want to bring them. Yes. I would suggest locking them up.
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And, like I say, documenting that you've done that. You may have to prove at some point that that firearm no longer exists, and that's probably the best way to do that. And being prepared to travel on foot, like I said. Another thing that people have been needing and not having is P100 masks. So that's a particle filter, generally in the 3M, and I think the Honeywell filters, they're pink.
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So I'm talking about like a screw-in filter here.
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Yeah, they're a little bit more sort of burdensome than those masks. But that is what you need if you're in those situations. So if you have one of those, I have ones like when I'm epoxying wood, I have a little half-face respirator that I wear for that. We will actually talk about masks, Margaret, after some of the products and services that support the show have talked about themselves.
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Yeah, that'd be pretty sick. Yep. All right, here we go. All right. We're back. Thank you, Honeywell. Yeah. For keeping us safe from tear gas.
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Yeah, they are good. The half-face respirator is great. Yeah, that's what I use, like I say, when I'm epoxying so I don't get high because that would be bad. Yeah.
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Not for the situation that we're talking about here.
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Yeah, and the firefighters come and they get it out in 15 minutes, but some stuff gets charred.
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Google the melting point of steel for this and many other interesting internet things that you can learn. Jet fuel can't melt fireproof safe. Yeah. Yeah. Which is why they build buildings out of them.
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Yeah. That's why you're putting it there and not on the internet.
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So really quickly, Margaret, uh, it's going to be a long one, I guess you and I talk about prepper stuff. It went long. Yeah. Shocking. Go bags. We've done our whole episode on go bags. If you're new to the show, hello, welcome. You can go back and listen to Margaret and James talking about go bags. We'll try and put a link in the description here for you.
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But what is the like super fast speed run version of what you want to put in your go bag?
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I've seen tons of requests for deodorant in the LA Mutual Aid chat almost every day.
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Yeah, yeah. You can get those tiny little Game Boys now, which have like, it looks like a Game Boy. Every game ever. Every game ever. Yeah, yeah.
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Okay, sick. Yeah, those would be a perfect item for one of those.
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Yeah, and look, that's fine, and it's probably going to be more important to you than half the shit you see people online putting in their go-backs. You don't need a gender-affirming hatchet. You will have a lot more fun with your tiny Game Boy. Things that you don't need, I see people hauling a lot of food. Everyone who's evacuated to L.A. is having a miserable time. They are eating...
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the best they ever have. So many people want to help, and food is a way that so many of us express affection and care for one another. So many people are getting fed right now, thanks to the efforts of mutual aid groups, really.
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Remarkably, it doesn't seem to be so much by... You'd think LA, a city on a major fault line, would have some kind of supplies for an earthquake that required feeding lots of people. Seems like it's more vibes-based for the city. But surprise, surprise, it's mutual aid groups who are feeding people, and they're doing that really well. So you don't need to haul a lot of food.
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I live in San Diego. I have no excuse. I just do it because I can't be bothered to leave my office and go to my kitchen sometimes. Yeah.
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Yeah, I kind of like to layer them in between things. I do this when I'm camping too. I'll get those little peanut butter packets and just throw a few in there. And then you're like, oh yeah, you know what? I am being cranky. Let me just snuff this and I'm going to be better. Yeah. I do highly recommend peanut butter. I take it when I travel a lot as well. It's like a comfort food for me.
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It's filling. It's compact. It's not that bad for you. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. It's a wonderful thing, peanut butter. So yeah, put some of that in there. There are things that like, you probably don't need shelter, right? But it might be nice to have a little compact blanket. Right. Especially if you're going to have to stay in one of those. One thing, a little comfort item that I always take, I've taken this all over the world, is an inflatable pillow.
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Like there are a lot of hardships that I will endure. I like to sleep on a pillow. And so I take a little inflatable pillow. So it's something that like, you know, you will have comfort items like that, that are things for you. I'll put those in there.
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I would avoid watching too much go bag content on YouTube because you're going to get anxious about the fact that you don't have like a folding short barrels rifle. And that's because you don't need it. Nor do you need like a, like I'm sitting next to my bulletproof vest that I've used before for work. I'm not taking it with me. It's staying here. Yeah.
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I did spend a lot of money on the plate, so I will be claiming those on insurance, but you don't need that stuff. People are taking care of one another. And so pack with the things that will help you be comfortable and consider that you might be spending a while in a hotel or a hostel or a refuge or staying with a friend or family members and think what would make that more comfortable for you.
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Yeah, that's where I'm at too. I like to go camping. So I have my camping stuff in my truck because then it takes me less time to go camping.
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I will say specifically, get a Soya Squeeze. They're tiny. The filtration is better than most other filters that are that size. Get it, put it in your backpack, leave it there. They're handy to have. And then, yeah, get a little... I like to have, again, this is a little comfort thing. I like to have a stainless steel Nalgene-sized bottle. It's not made by Nalgene. It's made by Clean Canteen.
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I like it because I can drink water out of it. I like it because it's not plastic, and I like it because I can use it to heat up water when it's really cold and have it like a little hot water bottle and snuggle with it. So that's a nice thing.
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One of those little Hydra charging cables, which, you know, breaks water.
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Yeah. Yeah, get one of those. Get a little wall wart and keep it in there so you can turn a wall socket into a USB socket if you need that to charge your stuff. Another thing that is surprisingly handy in lots of situations is I like to run a lot. And sometimes you're doing ultramarathon when you get to the aid station. They just have like big things of water, right?
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And you fill up your little water bottles you're carrying in your vest. And lots of people have these tiny collapsible cups that are made of like a thin rubber. They're made of the stuff that camelback bladders are made of. And then they can fill up that cup and they can drink from it and they just keep it attached to their vest, right? And then off they go running along.
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These are very useful, and I've started incorporating them in lots of my travel and emergency supplies, because if you're in a place where people don't have cups, but they have big things of water, now you have a vessel from which to drink. So those are surprisingly handy.
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Yeah, it's like the camping ones, but it's way lighter than those. Ah, okay.
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Yes, I know. Yeah, those are great for that too. And you can drink hot things out of them, which is nice.
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Yeah, yeah. If you have a child, keep a child toy. If you need to keep medicines cold, there's a product called Frio, F-R-I-O. They're not paying me. I've never got one for free, but you dip it in water and it uses evaporative cooling to keep your insulin cold. I have used them up. Oh, cool. They are very handy. They don't rely on electricity. It's very nice.
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So yeah, if that's something that you need, then that is hopefully something that will be useful to you. My last thing would be a little torch, a little pocket flashlight, or even better, a headlamp, like a head torch, because lots of places in LA lost power, right? And if you're having to go places at night, it's much easier if you can see where you are going. They're not expensive.
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They're great gifts. Bring a few. Give them to friends. Make new friends. Hopefully, this has prepared you. The last thing, of course, Margaret, is gold bullion with Ronald Reagan's face on it.
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Yeah, in which shiny metal replaces our natural instinct to help one another. Yeah, exactly. That's how it's been. That's humans. Famously, not a species.
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Yeah, yeah. Bring Atlas Shrugs, and then as you pass the fires, just start ripping that shit off, throwing it in there, let it burn.
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Yeah, yeah. Bring the Dawn of Everything by David Graeber. That'll occupy you through most natural disasters. It's a thick book. It is. It is indeed. If you can't reach something, very handy. Stand on that. He really thought. He did us one final solid. RIP David Graeber.
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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to David Wengro, the other David, uh, the less venerated David who also wrote that book.
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Yeah. Sometimes I'll just say the Davids and then people will look at me and, uh, yeah, totally.
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Yeah. Yeah. When I'm speaking to Margaret, I can say the Davids. She knows which Davids I mean. That's why we're friends.
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Plug your electric car in. Don't skip plugging your little electric car in at night.
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Hi, everyone, and welcome to the podcast. It's me, James, today, and I'm joined by Dani. Dani's an engineer and photographer who lived in northeast Syria from 2018 until 2023 and a founding member of the RIC, which is the Rojava Information Center, if you're not familiar. And she worked for the Self-Administration and Civil Engineering while she was there. Welcome to the show, Dani.
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Yeah. Cheers. Thanks for coming. I know it's like a stressful time. So what I thought we would do is there's been a lot of reporting on Syria that people have probably seen if they're living in the US or the UK. Nearly all of it has either excluded or like footnoted what's happening in North and East Syria and specifically in the areas that are under the self-administration.
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So I was hoping today we could give people a little more introduction to what's happening there. There's been a lot of jubilation about what's happening in Syria, and things have been very far from universally positive. There's a massive displacement of civilians, ethnic cleansing of areas that have been captured by the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army.
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And genuine peril for the self-administration project, the like of which we haven't seen for a long time. So perhaps if listeners aren't familiar, would you give them the real basics of the self-administration of the AANES and what it means and what's going on there?
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Yeah, I think that's a very good summary. I think, like, it gets missed... maybe because of how relatively successful it's been compared to other democratization projects within Syria, it gets missed that when people are talking about what will happen in Syria now, bizarrely, and I don't quite understand how we get here, but people seem to go to Libya. I understand how we get here.
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It's through a process of orientalism and ignorance. But we have a functioning democracy, an example of... It's not just Kurdish people, right? It's lots of communities living together in North and East Syria. And because of democratic confederalism, they're able to coexist and still feel they have enough sovereignty to be safe. Is that fair?
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Yeah, it won't be any easier across the whole country than it was there. But like they have a system that works and it's kind of frustrating to see these discussions of what happens next that just ignore the fact that there's a functioning multi-ethnic democracy right there.
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If we do just look at women's liberation, you know, I've reported from lots of places around the world, lots of places in that part of the world. And the difference is profound in like everyday life. It's not just a kind of rhetorical commitment, right? Like, at least my impression as a man is that like, this is a revolution by women, not a revolution. It's about women. It's not...
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A revolution by men that like seeks to liberate women says it's going to liberate women. You know, with the US invaded Afghanistan saying it was going to liberate women and look what we got. And like the difference in just the way people are able to like every aspect of everyday life is completely different. But that's in danger right now.
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The narrative, I guess, that people will be familiar with from Syria is that the state has been defeated. The Assad regime has been defeated. and that therefore the revolution has succeeded. But the Assad regime is not the only state in play in Syria, right? So can you explain the Turkish antipathy to the project in North and East Syria and how that's manifesting itself currently?
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Yeah, I think we should probably mention that, I guess, if we talk about the electoral method or the electoral path, people in Turkish Kurdistan, in Northern Kurdistan, whatever you want to call it, in addition to the armed struggle, which has been there since 1984, they have also tried to vote and repeatedly seen their votes ignored or changed or their elected officials removed.
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This is within the last year. I'm not talking about back in the 80s and 90s. And like Turkey has been aggressively attacking any attempts at like self-determination within the country. And then, as you say, like militarily attacking the Kurdish freedom movement within North and East Syria.
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Do you want to talk about the Syrian National Army or the Turkish-backed Free Syrian Army, whatever you want to call them, and explain like... I think part of what we're dealing with is that Turkey has a very well-established state media project, and they seem to do very well at creating viral social media content.
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So people might not be fully familiar with who the SNA are and specifically Turkey's role in creating them. Do you want to explain that a bit to people?
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Right, and I think especially when some of the things the SNA have done, which we can maybe get into in Manbij, it gives them a deniability that wouldn't exist if that was regular soldiers doing that. Some stuff which is war crimes is, I guess, a nice way of saying it, like a more sanitized way of saying it, but horrific stuff, really terrible stuff.
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This has been happening since at least 2018, but Turkey doesn't have to be held accountable for that because, like you said, it's not the Turkish army. Do you want to explain how the situation in North Syria has changed since, when was it, like two weeks ago, a week ago?
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I guess that they moved south from Aleppo and the HTS largely with some support from SNA moved towards Damascus and then the SNA launched its own assault on the self-administration. Can you explain a little bit of what's happened there in terms of displacement and in terms of the terrain that the SNA have captured?
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Yeah, and stuff's coming out unofficially often that is just not true every five minutes and getting blasted by maybe people who just don't understand or who do understand but have a certain agenda to push on social media, especially, but on Telegram too. And it can be really confusing and it's really frustrating.
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Yeah, and you probably won't, and that's probably a good thing. One other thing is that, like, The SDF tends to have much better operational security discipline than the SNA does. So you won't see as much of media with an SDF spin or people directly streaming. I mean, one thing the SNA likes to do is a war crime and then post it on Telegram.
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And so it can be easy to only see that and be like, oh God, it's terrible. And it is terrible. Those things are horrific. But because you're not seeing when the SDF is making movements or making advances... until a bit later, until you get something from like an official press channel, it can give the impression that the SNA is just romping around, which is not the case.
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Yeah, and I think it's a super important time to be looking at trusted sources and be considering if you need to be on Telegram that much, something I have been considering this weekend. So let's talk about like right now, certainly the focus is on Kobani, right?
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But there's also, well, there's a lot of the self-administration that could potentially be under threat if Turkey decides to go as hard as it can against the self-administration, against the existence of Turkey. I guess, any form of democratic project in North and East Syria, attempts to kind of bring the whole thing under one government from Damascus.
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Can you explain what might happen, what people can do? And we should talk about what's at stake as well, especially with the prison at Al-Hol, which maybe we can come to after those two things, because I think that's a lot to ask you in one question. But maybe if people aren't familiar with Al-Hol, we'll leave that one.
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But can you explain at first what could potentially happen if Turkey decides to go as hard as it wants to here?
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Yeah, and I think what you were talking about, we're seeing it right now in Manbij, right? The SNA seems to largely be in control of the city, albeit with YPG fighters kind of more, I guess, in a guerrilla role. So it would seem still fighting there.
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But I believe we're on the second day of a general strike in Manbij, after less than a week of the SNA holding it because of looting and executions and other war crimes.
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Yeah, and I think everyone I spoke to there, there's a deeply held conviction that they're not going back. Some people who have seen first-hand the fascist violence of ISIS, and fascist is the right word, it's something maybe worse than fascism.
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Certainly speaking to women in Rojava about how they're not going back to the gendered violence that they experienced for decades, to include ISIS, but by no means only from ISIS. And
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I guess that kind of brings us on to, I wanted to talk a little bit about the situation in the parts of Syria that are controlled by HCS and in so much as they really are controlled, controlled is perhaps the wrong word, like they haven't fully established their state project yet, but they're certainly moving towards that.
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They've sort of captured the institutions of the state rather than destroyed them. You'd spoken about like, there's this very, I guess maybe I'll use an example. Sorry, I'm phrasing this question in a very meandering way. I saw this CNN clip where they're like, oh, we found a guy who's in this prison and he was stuck here. And the second part of this was not broadcast on CNN.
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This person turns out to be like an Air Force lieutenant who was in fact himself someone who tortured and killed civilians. Yeah. And like, there's this very liberatory, very excited messaging coming from media in the West, I guess, some of which is good, right? Like it's good that the Assad regime is good. Assad was fucking terrible and tortured and killed hundreds of thousands of his own people.
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But that doesn't mean that things are all perfect in Damascus. Do you want to talk a little bit about like some of the worrying stuff we've seen in the last few days from those areas?
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Yeah, it's... I don't know. Every day we get different information, right? But like, yeah, I don't know if concerned is the right word either. I don't quite know what the word is. But like, I'm worried, I guess. I'm worried that... I'm especially worried when like... rather than what we saw in the self-administration was not like a continuation of institutions, right?
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When the Assad regime left in 2011 and 2012 and areas that the regime or ISIS have left since then, like it wasn't like, okay, we'll take over these institutions, administer them differently. It was, we will build democracy from the bottom up. No, we'll just change the people in charge versus what it seems like we're now seeing for Damascus.
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It's like, hey, can the police from the Assad regime please stay at work, which is concerning. Talking of police, the last thing I wanted to address was the Al-Hol camp.
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I've spoken about it before on this show and people can look back on other episodes, but if you've not heard about it, can you explain briefly what Al-Hol is and then the massive risk that this Turkish-backed invasion poses to Al-Hol and other camps? I guess Al-Hol's not the only camp, just the biggest one.
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Yeah, it's shrunk, definitely. I'm not sure what it is exactly.
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No, those people probably have terrible experiences within that camp and they don't tend to be moderating and sort of pacifying experiences. And I'm sure that there'll be a lot of hate coming from there when those people come out. And I don't want to apportion blame too much, but we've had a long time to deal with this. The world's had a long time to deal with this.
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Yeah. And like, you've got Britain doing the opposite of what's helpful, which is fucking like removing people's passports, right? Like de-nationalizing them, leaving these people stateless and like saying it's not our problem, which is pathetic. And
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Yeah, and it's going to end up biting them in the ass because they've put this off and put this off and wouldn't spend the money to have justice, to go through a system and to have a chance to plead their cases, to have a tribunal, whatever it is. Instead, these people have just been essentially abandoned by most of the world.
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The self-administration has been forced to take care of the people who...
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did horrific things right there and yeah at some point this population will continue to grow if we don't keep removing people from it and that's going to be a problem for the whole world even if the whole world wants to pretend it's not happening right now and it is just endlessly frustrating to see it not even be covered let alone kind of addressed in in the west
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Yeah. And sadly, I don't see that changing given the incoming administration in the United States. It's deeply concerning. Deeply concerning is the wrong word. It's just fucked. I want to ask, people, I think, want to be in solidarity with the revolution. They want to help if they can. They want to support. I did a fundraiser last night. Thank you to everyone who gave their money and came.
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That was really nice. But What can people do to, you know, it's one thing to like be in solidarity or post or whatever, but like what concrete actions can they take to help?
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Yeah, I think like, I don't know, if I go back to when I moved to the US, which was 2008, George W. Bush was president. And like I had my little free Palestine badge when I got off the plane and my little keffiyeh and like was immediately sent to secondary inspection by the customs people because like that was not really...
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Of course, there were Palestinian people and people in solidarity with the people of Palestine in the US then, and there were for a long time before. But, like, I would never have imagined that I would see thousands of people in the streets for the Palestinian cause.
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And, like, the only thing that has materially held back the genocide of the Palestinian people has been the solidarity that they've experienced. And, like... That shows the power that people have, though obviously it's been able to do comparatively little, and Israel still seems to be killing little children every day.
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But it shows that we can build solidarity really quickly and really meaningfully. You don't have to go, but you can go. It's much harder to get to Palestine than it is to get to northern Syria. I went last year. And I think people who are already organizing can bring that into their organizing too. These things don't have to compete. There's a lot of solidarity to go around.
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But I would say a lot of the news we see, unfortunately, from Turkey, and that will unfortunately give you information that's extremely biased when it comes to Northeast Syria. So being conscious of your media consumption is very important.
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Yeah, I think that's really important too. And those are things maybe we'll cover in the future and there are plenty of good resources online. Are there any... resources you'd like to plug or like personal social medias, things you think people could follow to get good information on what's happening?
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Yeah, I think it's good to follow if you can. Thank you very much, Danny. What we're going to do now is I got some voice notes from some friends who are at the front with Atakosin Anasist, which means anarchist struggle in Kurdish. They're a group within the SDF that is an anarchist group that's there now.
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fighting, and in this case, actually doing frontline medical support on behalf of the self-administration, on behalf of the revolution. They sent me some notes this morning, it's Monday, today, from their positions on the frontline. So look, obviously, those notes will be a little bit, they'll be like 24 hours old by the time you hear them.
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But I still think it's very important to hear from people who are there when we can, not from like... someone who's supposedly an expert but hasn't set foot in Syria in 15 years and hasn't really talked to anyone who's Syrian either. So we'll drop those in after a little advertising break here. And with that, I will say thank you very much, Danny. Thanks for giving us your time.
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And we really appreciate all your insight today.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
39: The Reigate Summer Festival, Wrayfest, and remembering a well-known Redhill and Reigate shopkeeper... and more
I'm part of the Friends of Ray Common Committee, and what we did last year was we created this incredible event called the Rayfest. It was such a success that we are doing it again this summer, 6th July. We've got this massive playground here and the lovely field, and we're going to fill that with about 1,500 people. We've got a stage, a main stage. We have live bands. We've got live music.
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We get the school involved, which is a really big part of the Rayfest, is to get many of the children performing. We've got choirs. We've got dancers. We've got cheerleading. We've got, like I say, live music, bands. Local vendors from the area come down, selling loads of great food. We have pizzas last year. We've got curries. We've got Joe's Diner this year, which we're really excited about.
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Our makers market, so that's celebrating anybody who wants to sell anything, basically. Those kind of arts and crafts. Yeah, we've got, I think this year the Bats Hill Gin guys are coming down. Well, that's going to be a draw, isn't it? Exactly, yeah. And we've got jewellery makers, fashion, we've got all kinds of stuff going on there.
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Then we have our kind of like fun zone, which is where we raise loads of money. And the classic games of Splat the Rats and Huck the Duck, you know, all that stuff for the kids. And they love that. We've got inflatables. We've got chill out zone, which is going to be really exciting. We've got crafting going on over there. We've got tug of war. I can't. There's so much stuff going on.
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It's amazing. And you're going on and on and on, which is absolutely fantastic.
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39: The Reigate Summer Festival, Wrayfest, and remembering a well-known Redhill and Reigate shopkeeper... and more
You're really lucky as a school. Yeah, we're really lucky. The school's great. And not only just the people that come to the school, but the surrounding community is wonderful as well. So this is for everyone. It's not just for people that come to Raycommon, right? This is for everybody in the area. It's something for the community. that just happens to be on your land.
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Yeah, and I think that's what's really great. And obviously we're raising money for the school and it's part of the PTA. Our bonfire night's always been a big one. That's a success every year. And again, the local community gets involved. And we really wanted to make the summer event as big as that. So that's what we're trying to do and get as many people down as we can.
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39: The Reigate Summer Festival, Wrayfest, and remembering a well-known Redhill and Reigate shopkeeper... and more
What are you looking forward to as well for this particular event? The thing that I got really excited about last year was seeing some of the children perform on the stage I think it was like giving them an amazing place to sort of get involved I think making them a big part of it is really important for us and obviously and a big shout out to any parents we're looking for volunteers so
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39: The Reigate Summer Festival, Wrayfest, and remembering a well-known Redhill and Reigate shopkeeper... and more
Thanks to all the parents that did it last year, but again, we need volunteers again this year to help out on all of the stalls, which is a really big part of this as well. A great team last year, so I really hope that we get the same people this year as well. So James, give us the details. When's it all happening? Saturday, July 6th. It starts at 12 o'clock. And goes until four in the afternoon.
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And the prices? Everyone's £4. Nice and easy.
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39: The Reigate Summer Festival, Wrayfest, and remembering a well-known Redhill and Reigate shopkeeper... and more
Well, tickets are on sale now. The best way to find us is to follow us on Instagram. And our Instagram is Raycommon. So if you search Raycommon on Instagram, you will find us there.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
I'm down, Ken. I'm down. Let's do it.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Ken's eaten food on the show several times, so I'm pretty sure I don't turn down Ken's ideas that much.