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Chapter 1: What is covered in this podcast episode?
Hey guys, it's James Childs, producer of The Ramsey Show. This week, Dave and the personalities are living it up on the Ramsey Cruise, so we've put together a compilation of some of our favorite calls and segments from the last year. Regular shows are back next week. Hope you enjoy!
Live from the headquarters of Ramsey Solutions, it's the Ramsey Show, where we help people build wealth, do work that they love, and create actual amazing relationships. Jade Warshaw, Ramsey personality, is my co-host today. I'm Dave Ramsey. The phone number is 888-825-5225. Jeff's in Indianapolis. Hi, Jeff. Welcome to the Ramsey Show.
Hi, Dave. Pleasure to talk with you.
You too. What's up?
my wife and I are in our early seventies. Uh, my son lives about a mile from us. He's in his early forties. He relocated back here to Indiana from California about 11 years ago from LA where he was working in a music business. And, uh, he was going to take over my insurance agency a few years, uh, retired about nine years ago. So he did take that over. Um,
He got into tax problems when he was in California because he was working for a music composer that actually treated him as an employee but paid him as an independent contractor, so he didn't know anything about paying taxes. Got behind with the state and the IRS. Ended up owing them $30,000 or $40,000, I think.
We helped him work out a structured repayment plan as a condition to him coming back and getting into insurance, and that's been paid through wage garnishments since then. I discussed with him before he came back the need to stay on top of his taxes and finances because he's never been good with money.
During that period of time, many times I'd ask him if he was on this and he'd just blow up and wouldn't talk to me about it. Three months ago he called us and told us that he was in tax debt to the IRS again and wanted his mom and I to bail him out basically using our share of our estate when we die. We thought he probably owed about $50,000 or $60,000.
Turns out he hasn't filed any state or federal tax returns for the past four years, nor has he paid any estimated taxes for 2023. We're meeting with our accountant next Thursday to go over all this to get specific numbers, but I'm guessing from what I've seen, it's going to be over $200,000, and about half of that is just interest and penalties.
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Chapter 2: Should I bail out my son from tax debt?
Thank you. There's one other question to kind of take this out a little further because I don't think my son realizes how bad a position he's in. If he pays this over the next 20 or 30 years, he still may not have it paid off and we die. And that's all right. Yeah, but we have all of our assets and our real estate is in trust. And my daughter is the trustee and the executor.
And we currently put a clause in our will that allowed my son to take our house here as part of his settlement of the estate because he loves our home. but I'm concerned that if he doesn't have this paid off, I don't even know that I want to leave that share of the estate to him because I think the IRS could put a lien on that.
They can. After he becomes the owner, they can, yeah.
Yeah, and I want to make sure that, I mean, ultimately it was for him, but it's ultimately also to go to our granddaughter, and I don't want to... eat up our share of that estate.
I think these are two separate questions. Do you help him today? Yeah, they are. Yeah, do you help him today? Jade and I are both saying, sadly, I probably wouldn't. I probably would.
That's the way I'm thinking.
And then do I change the will? In a few years, I might. You can change it now. You can change it later.
Can he put something in there that says if the debt's not paid off, the home goes elsewhere until the debt is paid off?
You could leave it in trust for the granddaughter and bypass it, bypass the kid that can't seem to find his way. Yeah, that's so sad. This is The Ramsey Show.
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