Steven
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Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
I am pretty down.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
No, I mean, I just can't meet anybody. Honestly, I was so tired. I did something pretty desperate recently. That's kind of why I called.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
We like desperate on this show. What did you do? Well, I saw an ad online that said soulmate psychic.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
For $50, the person is able to draw your soulmate for you.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
No, no. It was a phone conversation. Oh, OK.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
Well, she was asking me my interests. She's asking me, you know.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
I don't know what to do with it.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
I guess you're right.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
So like a month later, I'm at this wedding and I see a woman there and she looks exactly like the picture.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
Well, first I try not to freak out. I'm like, oh my God.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
So I build up enough confidence and I go over there and I ask her to dance.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
She said yes, that we're dancing. Oh, my God.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
Well, I told her I have a surprise for you. Oh, no.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
I just couldn't hold it in. It's too weird. It's too coincidental.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
No, I know. I didn't even have a copy of it, honestly. Oh, good. I was like, I'll text it to you. I told her I'll text it to you.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
She responded. She's like, wow, that's crazy. Okay. But then it was kind of a different vibe from then on. She's like, I could tell something changed now and she wasn't as into me.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
I mean, what are you going to do? She won't get back to me, really. I had to move on from there. Yeah.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
I'm kind of just back on the apps. I'm thinking maybe I need to find someone older.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
I mean, yeah. Now, this has been a couple months. I need answers here.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
I know. Anyone would. I need closure. Absolutely.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
Well, I didn't forget because it wasn't that long ago.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
Yeah, I told you guys. I was like back on the apps and looking for maybe someone older.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
You weren't responding to me. You were being kind of cold. I didn't know what to do.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update Classic: Soulmate Psychic
Wait, she said she's still into me?
I've Had It
White Trash Conman
Hey, mamas. Steven, an 18-year-old gay triate here to give you my perspective of the world because you're both ancient and don't know what it's like to be a teenager. So I have three grievances, and I'm going to go through them really fast. And the first one I'm going to start off with a bang, and that's evangelical church cults. Okay?
I've Had It
White Trash Conman
Jennifer, I know you're nodding along like some white woman at a Morgan Wallen concert right now, but evangelical church cults. I saw one advertised on an 18-wheeler trailer in the middle of buttfuck Missouri. Okay? How much more white trash could you get than that? And it was called fireworks with purpose. And then down below it in smaller letters, it said belonging, family, faith.
I've Had It
White Trash Conman
It's like they are targeting poor, sad millennials who don't have a community and are lonely as hell. It's really sad. I look at those things and it makes me want to sob, not because I get emotional by it, but because I'm fucking disgusted. Okay, moving on. The next one is like hot people that drive hoopties. If I see someone super hot, like I saw one today, perfect face.
I've Had It
White Trash Conman
I could tell he had a perfect body even though he was sitting down. But then I looked out and he was driving a 1999 gold Nissan Maxima. Lost me in that them there moment. If you're driving a disgusting car, you are not taking advantage of your looks. I immediately think that you're stupid. Okay, moving on. Last but not least is dogs. and children being compared.
I've Had It
White Trash Conman
Um, I know that you can love dogs like your children, but they are not the same damn thing. My sister, Sarah just had a baby and my other sister, Shelby took him up to Sarah's dogs. And it's like, Oh my gosh, meet your brother. This is your brother. Isn't he so cute? Like, shut up, shut up. Okay. Shall we shut up? They are not the same genetically.
I've Had It
White Trash Conman
One of them came out of Sarah and one of them came out of a creature that shits and pisses in the yard. You can love them the same, but they are not the same biologically. So you cannot say that they are siblings. Shut up. Okay, well, I hope you guys are both doing fabulous. I am in a really heated up mood, but Angelina Punk and Tina, I hope you're getting laid.
I've Had It
White Trash Conman
And Jennifer, I hope you're probably whacking pickleballs somewhere in Oklahoma.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 25: Twenty Knives
Bahrain.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 25: Twenty Knives
Fuck.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 25: Twenty Knives
Hmm.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 25: Twenty Knives
Mm-hmm.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 25: Twenty Knives
Mm-hmm.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 24: …And Twenty Justice Four All
Oh, shit.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 24: …And Twenty Justice Four All
Yeah.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 24: …And Twenty Justice Four All
Yeah. And you're fine.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 24: …And Twenty Justice Four All
Hi.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 24: …And Twenty Justice Four All
Yes. I love it.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 24: …And Twenty Justice Four All
Best. There it is. And that's it. We're done. Stay sexy. No. Are we? Yes. Okay. Go do it again. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered. I just want a cookie. Want a cookie? That's a yes.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 24: …And Twenty Justice Four All
Okay. Sorry, go on.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 24: …And Twenty Justice Four All
Yeah.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 24: …And Twenty Justice Four All
I'm sorry. That was so condescending.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
Aw, thank you.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
Yeah, no, I... You've been sending me shit. Yeah, I was like sending you texts and I was like, oh my God, I'm watching. And then Aaron Brockovich did like a true crime thing about it that I watched the other day. I watched it. Well, I grew up listening to Selena because I'm half my family. I'm half Mexican. And so that music was always playing.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
And I remember like even listening to the music, just feeling really sad.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
I mean, I knew it affected because I would still go over to my family's houses and stuff.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 32: Just the 32 of Us
Oh, I don't. I mean, I'm not Mexican, but I don't know how to speak Spanish. Okay, I wrote it down like I was very... She didn't know how to speak Spanish either.
Ray William Johnson: True Story Podcast
The SHOCKING Murder of a Georgia Mother - Joanna Hayes
I just left the police station and they showed me the videotape. It looks like you. It looks like me? Bob, it looks like you. It looks just like you. Looks like you. Why'd you do it?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
This was one of my favorite business conversations that I've ever had on the Diary of a CEO podcast, and it's frankly set the bar for every CEO or co-founder that I ever interview. Brian taught me, more so than any other guest I've ever had on the show, how important hiring, culture, and team building is. The reality of running a small business is that switching off is never really an option.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
Even when you try, the ideas, the excitement and all the responsibility is always there. And because you're always switched on, it's only fair that your hiring partner should be too. LinkedIn Jobs, who are the sponsor of this moment's episode, has been that hiring partner for me and for years because it's always working away in the background.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
My team can post our jobs for free, share them with our networks and reach top talent all in the same place. So let's get into today's conversation. At the very beginning, I saw this email, which I think is really important because maybe it's the most important thing because there are going to be people starting companies now that are getting a lot of emails like that.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
So powerful, Brian. It made me think about what Steve Jobs did leave behind. And that's maybe where the word culture comes in. Because I would have bet against Apple surviving and flourishing in the wake of Steve Jobs' passing because Steve was so, so special. But he clearly left a set of enduring principles behind. You know, I spoke to Daniel, as you said, as a friend of yours.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
He said to me, 20 years old, didn't care about culture. 30 years old, didn't know what it was. At 40 years old, I think company culture and team culture is the most important thing. When you think about culture, How important is that? What is it? How does one go about creating it?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
What a privilege.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
It's so incredible. It's so incredible because yeah, the greatest leaders that I've met all arrive at the same conclusion about culture. Even if it takes them 10 years or 20 years or whatever, they arrive there. The question though, because so many CEOs could send that email, right? Everyone could just, you know, they just heard Brian say it, so they copy and paste and send it to their team.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
The question is how do you actually create that?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
I'll give you that right now.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: Airbnb’s Founder Brian Chesky on Brutal Rejection, Great Leadership, and The Biggest Mistake Founders Make!
I hope you found today's conversation helpful and insightful. If you're ready to join two and a half million other small businesses already using LinkedIn for hiring, head over to LinkedIn.com slash DOAC now. That's LinkedIn.com slash DOAC to find your next exceptional hire.
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CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
There's a reason I love today's conversation. It is with the founder of a platform that we probably all use called LinkedIn. And the guy that made that platform is Reid Hoffman. The reality of running a small business is that switching off is never really an option. Even when you try, the ideas, the excitement and all the responsibility is always there.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
And because you're always switched on, it's only fair that your hiring partner should be too. LinkedIn Jobs, who are the sponsor of this moment's episode, has been that hiring partner for me and for years because it's always working away in the background. My team can post our jobs for free, share them with our networks and reach top talent all in the same place.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
He pitched it to you as an investor? Yes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
At what point was SpaceX at when he pitched it? That was before he started it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
Really? Well, yeah. Of course you would, yeah. My friends said that to me. I think I'd make a couple of calls just to check in. You know what I mean? Like, is Elon doing okay? He just told me about this turtle. Yes. It's like, that's not a business. Has your opinion of him changed over time in terms of his potential and ability as an entrepreneur?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
People kind of excuse that, though. Of course. If you get one that's big, that's fine. On the hiring side, is he up there with the best? Or is he not a direct hire of people like Steve Jobs was?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
So let's get into today's conversation. On all these great people you've worked with, specifically, you know, during that PayPal period of your life, one of the things I was reflecting on is they're all independently successful people, but they're all very different people. And that in and of itself is evidence that there's not one version of success. There's many different types of success.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
What's interesting is I think these strategies fundamentally come down to what you think matters in life the most, because you could optimize, even you could optimize more for, um, building more companies or something at the expense of something else. And it's a trade-off of something else. Like you could go harder, but there's a trade-off happening here.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
And we often, because Elon's done these crazy things like the cars and the Neuralinks and there's tunnels and now the AI and the X and the spaceships and stuff. We go, oh my God, that's so amazing. And I do that as well as an entrepreneur. I go, one person can do that much. But we almost never talk about the trade-off.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
And it's so, this goes back to the point about self-awareness. It's like, it's so tempting for the brain to go, oh my God, I want that. That's what I want. Because you're not seeing the trade-off. You're not seeing the darkness.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
I hope you found today's conversation helpful and insightful. If you're ready to join two and a half million other small businesses already using LinkedIn for hiring, head over to LinkedIn.com slash DOAC now. That's LinkedIn.com slash DOAC to find your next exceptional hire.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
CEO Diaries: LinkedIn Founder Reid Hoffman: The Truth About Elon, Zuck, & Building Great Companies!
Presumably, there's many different types of entrepreneur, leader. Yes. Give me a flavor of the different types of entrepreneurs you've worked with. Because I sat with Walter Isaacson, and he talked to me about Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, et cetera. And he was like, Steve's really great at hiring people. Elon's not as good at the people team building part, but he's better at this part.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
So... What about... Oh, no. I'm sorry.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Even when I say it, I'm not like, no, stop.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
i hate you for asking this question no no i am so the reason why i spoke to your wife and we got her answer before so we'll just keep her yeah you tell me what she said first are you sure you want to know on on air
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
no one wants to talk about you know it's just my partner that's it i'm not looking at anyone else right are you attracted to other people oh my steve come on man are you but absolutely absolutely and not only that and there are different forms of attraction you know there's physical there's there's sexual attraction there's there's emotional attraction
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
He doesn't know him often. I was like, I was with you. I was like, this is it. But.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
He said it five times. Yeah, the link.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Oh yeah. Uh, yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yes. From a distance.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
It should be easy. Drive up, Elvis Presley says, it's over, $25. It's free. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Do you know what it is?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
No.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Don't expose me.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
I mean, this is the thing.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
I was like, well, how old are you? What a lot of people don't realize is this year, 50. So you were about 34, 35?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
So many people are like, Paul, don't say that. This is crazy what you're saying.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
No, no, no.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
What was it on the new book? What was it on? What did you get back? Was it the podcast? Congratulations on your new podcast. Thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yeah. Archive. Delete. Block. Right? It's like, thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Should you apologize? Absolutely. Should you always apologize?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Oh, my gosh.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
This is good. This is good.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Oh, no. Oh, no.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
It's worse than I thought.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
No, no. Immediately after this, you need to go apologize. Yeah, you know.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Paul Brunson: Women Need To Lower Their Standards! If They Have These 3 Traits, Never Let Them Go! If You Get Sick, There’s A 624% Chance He’ll Leave!
Yes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Your Toes Can Predict If You'll Die Early And Heres's How To Fix Your Plantar Fasciitis! - Dr. Courtney Conley (Foot Specialist)
Ja.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Your Toes Can Predict If You'll Die Early And Heres's How To Fix Your Plantar Fasciitis! - Dr. Courtney Conley (Foot Specialist)
Und dann drückst. Ja.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Your Toes Can Predict If You'll Die Early And Heres's How To Fix Your Plantar Fasciitis! - Dr. Courtney Conley (Foot Specialist)
Eins, zwei, Mitte der Hülle. Also aufheben. Ja. Ja, ja. Und brechen. Ja, jetzt drücken die Beine auf den Boden, als du sie brechen. Aufheben. Sprechen, rechnen.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
I was reading, I think it was the book, The Courage to be Disliked. And it was talking in one of the sections about how some people would like, they prefer to live in the realm of possibility. And the realm of possibility is the space you live when you declare to the world that you're going to do something and be something. And before you actually do it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
So when I tell my friends, listen, I'm going to become an actor, for example, the year and a half where I go around saying that I live in the world of possibility where there's been no feedback to disprove me yet, which is nice, but I'm kind of getting the credit for being the type of person that's aspiring to change.
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
And when you're in that sort of first chapter of your professional life, is there anything from all of the work that you've done, the writing that you've done, that a young person should be trying to acquire? And I say that, should they be aiming at knowledge, skills, reputation, money, network?
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Robert, at this moment in time, What do you believe your followers, your fans, the people that love your books, what do you believe that they're struggling with the most?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
I don't think many young people in that first season of life realize how long life is. So, you know, we try and take shortcuts. We try and get to the money as fast as we can. But you're telling me to take a longer road, which is the acquisition of skills, even at the cost of some of those short-term rewards that are very tempting to post on my Instagram.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
And I'm asking this question because I imagine you get thousands of DMs and messages from these people. What are the common themes?
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
Quite painful being an entrepreneur, though. I think it was actually Elon that said building his businesses is like chewing glass and staring into the abyss. And I can relate to some degree of the businesses that I've built over the years. just the immense hardship and uncertainty.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
And, you know, I guess there's at times a subtle envy for your team members who are unaware of the chaos that one has to endure to make sure everybody's paid on time and, you know, make sure everything's, everyone's happy.
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
Long time. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
Okay, so you're saying that if I have a short-term view on happiness, I expect it today, now, and every day, then my life's not going to be great. But if I expect happiness to be a long-term... Yeah.
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
One of the things that I think helped me get here is my dark side. You talk about dark sides a lot. And when I say my dark side, I mean the insecurity, the shame, the... the wanting to fit in, all of those kinds of things that acted as a driving force. And a lot of people have a dark side. I've heard you talk about how all great achievers have a bit of a dark side in them.
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How do we channel our dark side so that it's productive and not destructive? I was talking to someone the other day who... is a very successful entrepreneur. And they have their own story of shame and embarrassment and trying to run away from a certain life they used to have. And that made them successful. But now they work 18 hours a day. They're just almost addicted to their work.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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So I wonder if it can go too far. I see. Yeah. But they say they're happy. They do? Yeah, they say they're really happy. Do you believe it? It's hard to distinguish true happiness from... The contentment that you get when you are successfully escaping your dark side. Do you know what I mean by that?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
Because this individual has successfully ran away from their darkness and they appear to be in a state of contentment because they're succeeding in their pursuit of running away from their past. But I don't know if that's happiness. Some yogi might tell me that happiness is when you stop running.
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Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. Yeah. Yeah, something that I think many a person struggle with, which is in part this idea of focusing on the thing in front of you versus getting too distracted with other opportunities. And I wanted to talk to you about this idea of focus. Sure. And how important you think it is for mastery.
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I meet so many young people who will say to me, oh, I'm doing this little crypto thing here and I've got this hair business here and I've got this other thing here. Yeah. What would you say to those people that are trying to become a master in this world as it relates to focus?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
From observing a certain family member of mine do a very similar thing, part of it as well is that when she would start one pursuit, starting X business... It would get hard, as it always does. And when you look over at the person across the road, they seem to be having a much easier life with their thing or with their crypto or with their whatever.
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And they tell you the story of how much money they've made and how easy it was, whatever. So you get... tempted into believing that the grass is greener. You pursue that. So now you're doing two things. Now your first thing starts to suffer.
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And I think especially in the early season of life, when you don't have Elon Musk resources, much of the game is focusing enough on one thing to build those resources so that you have the chance of... being able to do it more than one thing or spreading your bets a bit more.
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But in that first season, when you're in resource accumulation phase, I think my early investors in my company, I remember one day emailing my first investor, who's a very successful man, and saying, I've got an idea. And it was an idea other than the one he'd invested in. And I remember the email. I was 18 years old. And he hit me so hard on that email.
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He was like, if you don't focus on one thing, you will never ever be successful.
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Yeah, I was trying to. He was the one. Yeah, so my investor was a very successful man. And I emailed him this other idea, which I thought was amazing.
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And he sent me this email back, which was like being hit by a whip. And he was like, if you don't focus on one thing now, you will never be successful. Because also you rob yourself, as you said, of the chance of accumulating deep skills.
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
I've never forgotten a certain Johnny Ive clip that I watched many, many years ago. I think it was, must have been five years ago now, where he talks about working with Steve Jobs. And this is what he says in the clip. And I've never forgotten it. Never forgotten it.
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When they talk about compounding returns in life, they always say that it's slow, then it's fast. And even this podcast, if you look at the graph of this podcast, for the first three years of me recording in my cupboard on Sunday nights alone, completely flat. No one's listening. And then by year, maybe I'd say year four or year five, it goes straight up.
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And that's a consequence of those first three years were acquiring skills, understanding music, what people liked and why they liked listening to the show and actually getting better as a talker, a speaker, an interviewer, et cetera. And what most people miss is they miss that internship of the slow, lonely, unrewarding couple of years because they lose focus. No one's clapping, no downloads.
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I've never seen another route. I've never seen another path there. I've never seen the overnight success.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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I've heard you reference before Howard Gardner's Frames of Mind, Theory of Multiple Intelligences book. And in that book, it says that there are five types of intelligences, logical intelligence, linguistical intelligence, interpersonal intelligence, spatial intelligence, and bodily intelligence. And it defines them quite differently.
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
Logical is the ability to reason and solve problems and think in abstract terms like scientists and mathematicians. Linguistical intelligence is things like writers, lawyers, and poets. You're one of those things. writers. Interpersonal intelligence are leaders, psychologists and teachers. Spatial intelligence are architects, artists and pilots.
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And lastly, bodial intelligence is athletes, dancers and surgeons. How important is it to know your form of intelligence to be successful in life?
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Much of the reason we lose focus, as I've seen in my own friendship group and my own family, is because of envy. Yeah. How important is it to get control of one's envy? I've heard you describe it as the ugliest emotion.
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And is there a strategy that young people or really anybody that feels lost or aimless in their life should and is able to deploy to find their purpose, to find the direction, the thing they should be aiming at?
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I was wondering why your book, Power, is still selling unbelievably well. I mean, most books, when they come out, they have their moment and then they're done. But for some reason, what you write in this book is as compelling, tempting and attractive to people now more than ever. And one would then assume that's because people feel more powerless, right?
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And when they see the book, it offers them a promise of something that they so desperately want. Is that an accurate assessment?
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
People are lonelier than ever. according to many of the stats. And when you look at the impact that's having on people, it's equal to smoking 15 cigarettes a day, according to some reports. They're more likely to live alone. They're more likely to feel lonely, to report feeling lonely.
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They're more likely to feel that they have nobody to turn to in a time of crisis, according to some studies as well. They're more addicted than ever before. You can class that in a number of ways, chemical addictions, but social media addictions and other things. And that's the state of... Especially young men.
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You know, it's young women too are having their own struggles, especially with anxiety and the comparisons and those kind of things we've talked about. But young people generally, and especially young men, are killing themselves at higher rates than ever before. Suicide, as you know, is one of the biggest killers of young men. What is the antidote for this?
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This sense of powerlessness, loneliness, isolation, addiction, aimlessness?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
What is it about human nature that we just don't want to admit?
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On that point, I remember law, I think it was law 18, I'm just having a look.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
Do not build fortresses to protect yourself. Isolation is dangerous. Solitude is not a defence because it cuts you off from valuable information, allies and opportunities. There's a difference, isn't there, between being lonely and being alone. Because being alone is one thing, but the state of loneliness... feels like it's a slightly different proposition.
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To listen to that voice inside, to turn inwards. It is hard to turn inwards when you never have moments of solitude, I guess. When you said you were suicidal in your earlier years, what lifted you out of that state?
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Purpose.
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It's crazy how it can lift you out of darkness. It can turn the lights on.
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It's just so unbelievably hard to find for so many people. I mean, you're not going to find it in your bedroom necessarily, sat there thinking.
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There's so many studies, and there was one on TV by, I think it was Darren Brown, the illusionist, that show certain types of people are pessimistic towards opportunity. And when you do studies where you, and there's one particular study where they have a newspaper, and they give it to one group of people who I think are pessimists and one group of people that are optimists.
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And the researchers say, when you find the £100 voucher or $100 voucher, just come back to us. And what happens is they scroll through the newspaper and the pessimists never find it. But on the first page of the newspaper, it says, stop, go to the researchers now, you've won $100. The optimists find it.
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
And Darren Brown did a similar thing, The Illusionist, in the street where he put, I think it was like a £50 or $100 note in the middle of the street. as they were walking down the street. And the optimists find it, they see it. But the pessimists just walk right past it. I think it was a winning scratch card potentially.
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And that really opened my mind to like my state, my mental state, my psychology is determining whether I see these opportunities or totally miss them. And then it's almost a downward spiral because then I'll think, God, I'm such an unlucky person.
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Without realizing that I'm playing a really important role in creating my own fortune or misfortune.
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One of the sort of adjacent points here about purposelessness, about loneliness, about the struggles and plights of young men in the world that they face, and young women, is the conversation around pornography. If you go on many of the social media apps these days, you will be exposed to pretty explicit pornography, whether you were searching for it or not.
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There's certain apps in particular where...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
even if i'm scrolling on my feed certain things will pop up and i get jesus christ like you know i'm at work here um and i was thinking about this more broadly because the studies show that about i think it's like 80 of men and about 40 of women in the united states use pornography and i wondered if you had a view on how it robs us of the of the hard work it takes to form romantic relationships um
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And if the act of consuming pornography is robbing us of the desire for the real thing,
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The other thing that a couple of psychologists on my podcast before have alluded to on this subject is that they told me about a study with rats where they messed with the part of the rat's brain that is responsible for causing dopamine. And then when they put food in front of the rat's mouth,
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
if the rat was, it was like six inches from the rat's mouth, the rat would starve to death because they had impacted the rat's dopamine. So it no longer had motivation. And they speak of dopamine as this sort of motivation chemical. It's the thing that gets you to take action.
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So if you're frying your dopamine receptors by doing these sort of high dopamine activities, I'm wondering if you're going to, if we're sort of breeding a culture of lower motivation individuals. And
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Because of this thesis, I was kind of looking at some studies around this, and it does say that constant exposure to high dopamine activities can lead to dopamine desensitization or deregulation of dopamine receptors. And then this can lead to a significant reduction in your motivation. And there's multiple studies here that point in this direction.
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So I'm wondering how, when I look at some of the stats around purposeless and people having less partners and being more sexless, if there's a through line here that when you make dopamine easy through pornography, we're less likely to go in, get up out of our bedroom and take an action.
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And should we be aspiring to not be narcissists or does one just accept their narcissistic tendencies? And lean into it. Because much of what I read in the book about power is how narcissism seems to get you ahead to some degree. That's debatable. But I mean, look at some of the people that we've been talking about that have reached the very top of the...
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The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!
What if I'm dealing with a narcissist?
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What do I do about that? Because I was thinking about some of the laws in your book where you say things like don't outshine the master. If I'm dealing with a narcissist, should I hide my strengths and my weaknesses in order to sort of pander to them and not outshine them?
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Well, I think the root of this is there's something ugly about being manipulation, lying, acting. So no one would want to volunteer that they are doing that. But from what I'm inferring from what you said is that in order to get ahead in life, you're going to need to lie a little bit, manipulate and act.
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I was, through my years of business, running businesses and stuff, I came up with this idea, which I've shared with a few people, called your contribution score. And much like we have a credit score, where if we're reckless with our finances, our credit score gets lowered. I think the same applies for the contributions we make in group settings, but just generally the contributions we make.
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And I came to learn this over time because in one of my offices many years ago in a different company, there was this one individual who in the meeting rooms would, when people were brainstorming, before they'd thought of what they were going to say, they'd interject and say, what about if we do a, we could do like a pop-up with maybe, we'll do like, and they were thinking out loud.
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And what I would observe as the CEO is the minute they spoke, it was almost like people rolled their eyes and tried to cut them off because they'd developed this contribution score, which says when X person contributes, it's always ill-formed, not productive and takes too long. But then there's this other guy who I remember from my Manchester office who went, he hardly spoke.
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And every time he spoke, it was important. So the minute he starts speaking, it's like the room shifts towards him. It's like with bated breath. So there's an art of protecting one's contribution score.
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Interesting. Really interesting. He's a master of the 48 laws of power. The other law that I was thinking a lot about, if we're jumping back to the laws of power, is let others do the work, but take the credit. LAUGHTER Your face when I said that.
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And if you had kicked up a fuss, you might have accidentally outshone the master. I've been fired. It's interesting because there is an element of this where it can, where like trying to take the credit can really also lead you to being fired. Because I'll never, I remember back in previous, again, a previous company that I'd started had a big team about 200 people in Manchester.
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And there was this one kid in his early 20s who would always sulk if... in our like public company channel, someone just innocently forgot to include his name in credit when credit was being handed out. And it would happen maybe once every six months. You just like forgot that he had contributed to the project. And that happens in all businesses. People don't tag you sometimes.
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And I remember hearing that he was outside on the steps, bitching, that's the best way I can describe it, just like complaining to other younger team members that he hadn't been included in that message. And it developed this horrible reputation for him as someone that was always complaining and always trying to take credit because it's ugly to be seen as trying to take credit.
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Do you think it's harder to find your sense of purpose and what you're deeply connected to as you get older?
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I think there's an overarching thing here, which can be discovered in your other book, The Laws of Human Nature, about mastering your emotional self. Because none of these things are going to be possible if you don't have mastery over your emotions. I'm not going to be able to refrain from snatching credit.
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I'm not going to be able to not outshine my master if I don't have this sort of foundation of emotional control. Is that true? Is emotional control really where this all begins?
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You learn it from the mistakes you make. Is there any practices that you know of that would enable me to increase my self-awareness? Because, you know, we're all going through experiences in life, but it seems that some people are learning from those experiences and becoming more wise and more effective, and then other people are kind of repeating the cycle over and over again.
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And I think I ask this in particular because you're a writer, so you spend a ton of time Thinking about what's happened to you, your jobs, experiences, your feelings.
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Oh, yeah, I knew him.
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Things go wrong and we leap to blame. And once we leap to blame, we often leap to revenge. Yeah. We want to take revenge. We want to right the wrong that's happened to us. We want to correct the injustice. And you talk about this as part of human nature, but also give us some advice. I think it was in the Law of Power book about, I think it was Law 36.
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When we feel like we've been wronged, Robert, when we feel like there's been an injustice... What is the best course of action? It depends on the wrong and in the injustice. So let me give you an example. Someone at work said, I heard they said something to my boss and it's cost me my promotion and they're talking about me behind my back and it's annoying me.
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Because these types of people, they prey on those who seem weakest, right? Predators love prey.
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When we zoom out on what's going on in the world, a lot has changed. A lot has changed. One of the things that's changed is our society, as I think I've heard you say, is less united by some of these great myths of religion. And I've heard you talk about democracy and all these kinds of things.
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And as a result, people no longer believe in the same ideas because every form of authority is now under question. And you're someone who studies history. You're someone that understands the cycles of history. What cycle of history are we in at this moment in time? And how does one navigate it?
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And you've built a life, you've built a network, you've built a reputation for being this thing, whether it's lawyer, doctor, dentist, whatever it might be. And so there's an element of shedding that might have to occur. Shedding people, shedding a city that you live in, shedding a way that people know you, an income. And that's deeply difficult.
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Can I ask you a question about this book, which is kind of linked to what you're saying now, The 48 Laws of Power? What demographic emails you the most about the book?
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Young men voted for Trump. I know. You're someone that I sense, and from what I've understood from my research, isn't a big fan of Trump. And so what do you say to those people about why you have that position and what they're misunderstanding potentially?
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You made me reflect on something I read the other day. I think it was on X. And it was a study that shows that when the more testosterone you have, again, which we can use as like a proxy for masculinity, in studies, you're more likely to think for yourself. So they had two groups of people. Whoa. And they gave one group of people testosterone. I think it was a group of men testosterone.
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I think some people would prefer the certain misery of their current situation to the uncertainty and the shedding that occurs when they go in search of something else.
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They both had to do this test. And the ones who had the higher testosterone levels had been given the artificial testosterone. They were less likely to cave in to external social expectations. Wow. Which I thought was a proxy for what you're saying, which is... Right on, man.
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Potentially real masculinity is having the strength of your own convictions and being able to ignore social pressure to conform. You talked about wokeness in the left and how they messed it up. I consider myself to be, I'd say apolitical, but it's more... It sounds like a strange thing to say. I can just see the merits in things on both sides. So I really struggle to identify with a side.
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I think, okay, that's good for the economy. That's good for different social classes and stuff. And so I also just have, I think, a very strong negative reaction to the binary choice that you're kind of forced to make. Yeah, right. I agree. So I've always kind of stayed out of it in that regard. That's good. But in terms of this wokeness and the... the way that the left have screwed it up.
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What have they got wrong? Well, um... And what's Trump got right, I guess?
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People are lonelier than ever. And when you look at the impact that's having, it's equal to smoking 15 cigarettes a day. What is the antidote for this?
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But isn't this one of the laws of human nature, fitting into our tribes? Because I think being in the sort of political middle or wherever I am, you get attacked from both sides. Because sometimes you'll have a conversation with this person and they'll say, oh my God, you're right wing. Then we'll have a conversation with this person. Then they'll say, oh my God, you're a left wing.
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And so you just, you never fit. Actually, my instinct is tempted. My instinct, my sort of like my primitive instinct is like, just fucking pick a side, Steve. And then at least you'll have a bunch of people to protect you. You talk about that as well, how having a group of people around you and not being in isolation offers protection. So it's tempting sometimes.
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Do you think we're in a similar time now where we're getting caught up in mania?
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You said that Trump is deploying the laws of power. What laws of power has Trump successfully deployed?
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Or find the link in the description below. One of the things I was thinking about over the Christmas period was identity and the pitfalls of having an identity in life. And it reminds me of Law 48 in the 48 Laws of Power, which is to assume formlessness. What do you think of the subject of identity?
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Because it's useful to some degree, but it can also be a downfall, as you alluded to at the start of this conversation. When you say that, you know, someone gets to 30, 40 years old and they've almost have like a midlife crisis because they're now like successful, I don't know, accountant.
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And that's their identity. That's their friendship circle. I'm wondering what your perspective on identity is.
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the book you're referring to that you're currently writing and you're getting to the end of thankfully um is it called the law of sublime oh the sublime yeah you've progressed with that book since we last spoke so i'm just wondering if i ask you the question now what that book is about and why you're writing it you know you talked earlier on in this conversation about being really clear on why you're doing something why are you writing that book
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And you think it will be ready by 2026? Yeah.
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Do you mean that when you say that you're not sure if your body can take it anymore?
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Something nice and simple. One of the clips that I saw the other day, that's one of the most viewed clips from you, was about the primary law of human psychology is that people judge based on appearances. This isn't a nice thing to confront, although everybody knows it's true. What does that mean?
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Yeah. Political skills as in their ability to do sort of office politics and stuff like that.
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So if two people walked in here and one of them had the appearance of power and one of them didn't, what would the person who had the appearance of power be doing? How would they be carrying themselves? How would they be speaking?
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There'll be so many people listening to that now and they'll be thinking... I have a plan. I have an idea or at least a kernel of an idea. But I've spent the last three months, six months, 12 months, 18 months, two years thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. And not doing? And not doing. Yeah. People stop me all the time and they'll say, Steve, I'm thinking of starting a podcast.
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So you can fake it till you make it.
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you know so it's not just just faking it that'll get you somewhere but at some point you have to produce real confidence the real confidence to to be relaxed in your chair to hold eye contact with somebody where does that come from when we think about confidence and power
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But for those that don't, they just don't have that belief, can you lie to yourself? Can you tell yourself, I am strong and I am powerful?
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And I'll say, how long have you been thinking about this? Two and a half years.
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If there was one law that the powerless amongst us, who feel powerless or lost in the current world, one law or one fact of human nature that people who are feeling lost and purposeless and adrift right now should be thinking the most about, which one springs to mind? Well...
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The world moves out the way of boldness. I was thinking as you were speaking about a memory of mine of being at a festival in New York City called Global Citizen. I was like, Beyonce was performing and stuff, all the biggest names in the world. And my friend was drunk. And we were in the VIP section behind the stage, but we could see that there was this access all areas artist section.
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And because my friend was drunk, I've never witnessed anything like it. This guy gets me, takes my hand, goes, come with me. He walks directly at the two massive security guards with this boldness, this conviction. They just move out of the way.
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No, they just moved out of the way because of the way he was walking. They just thought, well, he must... he must be in here. And they moved out of the way. They didn't check his pass. They just moved out of the way. And he continued to do that all day. And it was because he was drunk. He's done a documentary about this. He used to be an alcoholic.
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So he had this confidence when he was drunk where the world would just like move out of his way. And he ended up going in what I believe to be the president of some Asian country's dressing room. Again, because he was just walking at things. And the way he was walking, it just moved out of his way. But I've never forgotten that. Actually, I deployed it today when I went for a run.
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with my girlfriend because I wanted to use a bathroom in a restaurant. And I figured that if I just walk with a certain conviction, the staff will like let me pass. They'll assume maybe I'm sat here. And I ended up walking through a conference. It was like a conference hall in this hotel where they're checking people's badges. Just because I was the way I was walking, nobody checked mine.
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And there's a metaphor here for life. And you kind of allude to it in your book about like the bolder you are, the better. Some of these subheadings I find really cool. Lion's circle, the hesitant prey. Boldness strikes fear and fear creates authority. Going halfway with half a heart digs the deeper grave. Hesitation creates gaps. Boldness obliterates them.
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And audacity separates you from the herd.
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I wish I'd been bolder when I was starting my entrepreneurial career. I wish someone had said to me, whatever your dream is, Steve, when you describe it to people, times it by 10. Whatever number you're trying to raise as an investment, times it by 10.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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It takes a certain confidence, though, and that's really what's, I think, at the heart of the problem. Maybe we just all need to be a bit more drunk.
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Well, we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, but knowing who they're going to be leaving it for. The question that's been left for you is close your eyes and imagine yourself 10 years from now. Where are you? What are you doing? And who are you with?
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It's a really important lesson because we just take it all so for granted, don't we?
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Please don't.
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God, I'd be so happy. It puts everything in perspective when you tell me that you'd be crying tears of joy to walk up a hill.
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Yeah. What would you say to someone like me who is quite clearly, because of the privilege that I have of my mobility, going to be taking it all for granted?
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Why is planning and procrastination that comes with the prolonged planning so tempting for people? Like, why do we love to plan, plan, plan, plan, plan?
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You had a wasp or a bee sting that resulted in a stroke, which is what changed your mobility. If you could go back and speak to Robert before that, 20-year-old Robert, and you could just whisper something to him.
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So maybe the doubt and the worry is useful.
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Robert, thank you so much. We're all very, very excited for your upcoming book. Oh, yeah, so am I. So you talk about urgency. We can't wait. Okay. And we're very much looking forward to it because I know how much you pour into these books and you've expressed how much you sort of agonize over it being exactly what you wanted to say. And not all authors are like that.
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Some are a little bit more flippant. So I appreciate that so much. And I appreciate the time that you've spent on my show and the value that you've given my audience.
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I was looking at some of the comments earlier and it's just incredible the impact you've had on people by sharing your own story, talking about the stroke and the gratitude that that's given you for life and the gratitude we need to have.
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The honor is all mine. Thank you, Robert. You're welcome. I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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So New Year's resolutions are around the corner. I think 9% of resolutions stick. So what advice have you got for me?
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And that authority comes, in that particular example, came from going to the university, the lab coat, et cetera. But how do we establish authority ourselves? Is it going back to the things you said there about environment, appearance, et cetera, finances? Yeah. Are there physical expressions of that authority in a day-to-day basis?
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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Have you worked with many people that come to you and they've got a clear authority problem? Is there a particular example you can think of where you were able to help someone turn their life around?
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Give me your favorite example.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you.
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How'd you do that?
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have you ever even heard a tiny voice that said why am i here or like do i deserve to be here yeah i mean doing this is a prime example of that yeah yeah or i'm faking it people are going to find out i'm i'm faking it well you feel like that when you're a podcaster because you you didn't get any official qualifications and then people started listening and then there's they think that you you know what you're doing or you so you i think i can temper that as a podcaster
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And is there a relationship between discipline and confidence?
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What do I need to know about observation, which is the second part of your triangle to success or failure? observation, being able to read a room. Is it possible to be able to read a room?
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How would I go about reading a room?
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And who'd you do it for?
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So would you be looking at one particular person?
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Okay.
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Getting an average of that.
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Okay. So when you get a lower blink rate, people are paying more attention.
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So 70 is...
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so change then context so now like somebody just crossed their arms and you read the internet it says it's being defensive withholding closed off see all that stuff well what if it's freezing cold yeah so now we have context so interesting that actually happened in my last conversation i am i try not to close off my body when i'm doing this because sometimes my natural reaction is to go like this and then sometimes especially in here when it gets later and we didn't have the fan in the heater i would go like this yeah
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And I was thinking, but this is rude. It's rude to the guest. But I looked at my arms and I had these massive goosebumps. And I was like, that's the context. The context is I'm fucking freezing. But to the guest, it would look like I'm going like this. Yeah. You know, so this is why body language is so delicate, I think.
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So what was the first C?
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And then you want to look at context. Is there a third C?
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Clusters.
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When you say this, you're referring to human behavior.
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And is human behavior, is it like a set of tactics? Is it like a form of psychology? What is this when you say the word this?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking about things I used to do when I was younger. And that was just a period of my life where for some bizarre reason, I used to go like this. I used to do it all the time. Like a tick? It was almost like a tick, yeah. It was really weird. I think this sounds like a really crazy thing to say, but...
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One of my best friends had like curtains, like heavy haircut curtains. And he used to flick it. And I almost like vicariously picked up the like flicking from him. I'd go like that all the time. But I was just thinking if someone saw me doing that, they would perceive that as some form of behavior.
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Whereas it was just this weird thing that lasted for like two years when I was younger and then went away. Yeah, but did you do it all the time? I just did it. I don't know. I felt like I just did it randomly.
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Because I sit here with guests, right? And they talk about their life stories and stuff. And I often see some patterns of behavior.
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Specifically like closing up when you ask someone something about their childhood or a specific sensitive subject in their life. You tend to see like self, I call it like self-soothing behavior to some degree. So it's difficult. And it's funny because we're all like amateur body language experts now. There's been a lot of stuff online saying spot this, did they touch their nose, etc.
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And communication is the third one in the triangle to success or failure. Communication. So what I've got so far is talking slow, is higher authority.
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Is there anything else that if I want to be a master communicator, I should be thinking about?
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And once you understand what categorization someone fits into, how would you show up in a way that's effective in communicating with them? Say, for example, if I'm talking to a significance person, do I just, and I'm trying to close a deal with them or something, do I pander to their significance? Is that?
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And who exactly have you worked with?
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Yeah. I was thinking about the pen. I was going to ask you if I'm an intelligence person and you had to sell me the pen.
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How would you go about that?
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Okay, interesting. And you're consciously pointing off to just, it's others not.
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What do you do for intelligence agents?
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And what's going on there? People, we want to...
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Oh, is that a question? Yeah. Okay, but I know it's not a question.
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Is there anything else as it relates to communication that's especially important? It's funny that so many people are interested in the communication part more so than the listening part.
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Yeah, it's the thing with Julian Treasure who did the TED Talk on how to be a great speaker. He told me he also did a TED Talk on how to be a great listener and no one listened. He said everyone wanted to... His one on speaking has got like 35 million views, but the one on listening just... No one's interested in that.
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But I'm guessing listening plays a pretty critical role to being a great speaker.
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Is that part of the observation part?
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You talk about this elicitation.
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What is elicitation? It's a CIA technique, right?
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Why isn't it no longer for sale?
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And when, okay, so if I say, I bet you hate that coffee.
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That's a statement, but you're going to endeavor to correct the record either way.
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And if you do hate the coffee, you'll say, yeah. Like even you saying, yes, I do kind of hate it is offering up information.
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Okay. Interesting.
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Next to me, there's this massive book called the Behavior Ops Manual. It's probably the biggest book I've ever seen. What is the wealth of experience that have fed into this body of work?
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So why is that better than me just going, how do you prefer your coffee?
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It's for sensitive information.
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When you're trying to not get their guard up.
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And is that what, I mean, that does correlate to kind of like how I've, the information that the spies I've interviewed have given me. Like Andrew Bustamante and Mike Baker, they both said that much of the game was like hearing someone out and just letting them talk and talk and talk and talk.
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But not being too pushy.
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Perception, context, permission, the PCP model is a way of understanding how to get someone to do something from joining a cult to buying an item.
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Which is?
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Interesting. It explains a lot about politics, in fact. You know, what we see go on in the election cycles and also just how a political party, political group can slowly drift away
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together to a position that objectively you go bloody hell that's crazy yeah you know because they kind of slowly they say i'm this party i signed up to this this particular political party and then slowly just with like creep of beliefs you end up over 10 years all of you believing and thinking something is okay yeah it's interesting just because you made an agreement
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I guess in part that explains some of the wars as well. Like, there's an element here which can explain things like Nazi Germany and how a civilization can go from being relatively normal to doing really horrific, barbaric things to people.
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New information, or is it unexpected?
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What's your definition of novelty here?
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What is the most common thing that people come to your work for? Like if you were to encapsulate it into like a sentence, what they're searching for in their own personal lives?
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I was thinking about a lot of like, um, fizzy drink ads in the sun, in the sunshine, in the summer. And you see, you know, like the, you hear the sound as they're like breaking open, there's people there, I guess that's the tribe having a great time. And I was just struggling with the authority part in that context of those ads you see for like a fizzy drink brand.
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Okay. Or could be a celebrity or something.
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In your work, you talk about how to win an argument. And when I say win an argument, I don't really mean an argument. I mean more like, you know, me and my girlfriend having a conversation. Yeah. And I want to get to a good resolution. What are the things I should definitely not do?
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But how do we establish authority ourselves?
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And trap them in a corner.
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Just stopping and looking at them.
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What is the most important thing we haven't talked about that we should have, especially as it relates to what most people ask you about and they're most interested in?
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What is one thing no one's ever asked me? Yeah. People don't really ask me stuff.
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Oh, you're doing something on me.
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Who am I? I'm a podcaster. I'm an entrepreneur. I'm an investor. I'm a boyfriend. And what's my mission? It's to pursue my potential and to follow my curiosity and to see what happens.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's not important to me. Right.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, it's interesting because I actually, my brain, like, it was right there to say that. And then I thought, it's just not the nature of the truth. Like, the truth is, I started this in my bedroom. And I always think about the fact that when I did it for three years, no one was listening. So my mission when I was doing it was genuinely because I really loved it.
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It wasn't like, I'm going to change the world. And it's so tempting sometimes to add that on, like, I want to change the world. And I just don't believe that's why most people start things and continue when no one's listening. I think it's usually something more selfish. Does that make sense?
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I enjoyed the thing, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay. What you just did then?
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Okay.
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Ah, yes. That's incredible.
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So you were, sorry, you were doing like a read of me. You said, I said, podcaster. I said, entrepreneur. I said, investor. And then I said, I do it to like, I think I said. So your goals. Curiosity. And then I was the other one. It was like, it was about my potential. That's what I think about a lot. Like pushing my potential and follow my curiosity.
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I was thinking through the context of being like a CEO or manager of teams. I guess this is why it's so important to know the different types of people you have in your teams. And also, I used to work on phones doing telesales. You did? Yes, for many years. When I was 16, I worked at Everest in Plymouth, which was windows and doors and conservatories and artificial grass.
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And then when I went to Manchester when I was a little bit older for university before dropping out, I... Worked at Swinton Car Insurance. I worked at a bunch of places. I worked at Fusion Studios selling photography vouchers. I did Facebook ad sales on the phone back in the day. Lots of tele-sales experience.
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And I was just wondering, because in those moments you call someone out of the blue, or they call you asking for car insurance, and you don't have a big window of time necessarily to figure out what kind of person they are. Not at all. So how'd you go about?
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Interesting. And then if they're on the phone a little bit longer, you can get to know them a little bit better and understand what kind of person they are and better adjust to them. Makes sense.
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Is there something that you see most frequent that's deficient in sales pitches when you're training salespeople? Is there like one particular thing that's typically most deficient that they're not doing?
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I was victim of a phone call that was clearly listening to your work because the guy called me and said, hi, this is a sales call and you can hang up now if you're not interested. But if you are willing to hear me out, I just want 30 seconds. And the fact that they offered me the opportunity to hang out, I for some reason appreciated it. And I gave them the time.
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And I remember I was like really busy. I was on my way to a podcast recording. And just the fact that he'd gone, you can hang up now. Just going to be honest, this is a sales call. Yeah, he gave you autonomy. So I was like, okay, what are you selling? But he told me about some social media software or whatever. But I just thought it was really smart because you're right.
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Within seconds, I'm trying to figure out if this is like all the others. And I guess we can do the same in our emails. In fact, the CEO and COO of my media company that I hired sent me an email. And the first line of the email, they didn't even, she's listening now, Christiana and Georgie, they didn't even like introduce themselves. They said, like straight to the point, no habituation filter.
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And it's interesting. It's an interesting opener line because the word habituation filter is something I talk about in my book. So they kind of like tickled my ego a little bit as well, I think, because it says I've read your book.
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And they went straight to the point. It caught me off guard. And got more focused. Of course. Yeah, they have the job now. They work here. And even the subject line was like.
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Yeah, that was the first ever email. Yeah, that's brilliant. Because I don't think people realize this unless you've been in a situation where you're like working in recruitment, looking at thousands of emails. But when I used to really run the recruitment inbox, because I'm just obsessed with the recruitment, we have 35,000 emails in there. And I'm going through there at speed.
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And I'm looking for... what I would call exclusionary factors and inclusionary factors. What I mean by that is factors to immediately exclude this email and factors to immediately include this email within three seconds. To read later. To read later, to like star it and to read later, or just to give it another 10 seconds.
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And the exclusionary factors, they're all just surface things that you typically get from people who typically do a certain thing. And that's also why I think about marketing newsletters. If the newsletter looks designed, the studies show the open rate, the retention rate, the click-through rate is significantly worse if it's a beautifully designed email because people see it as a sales email.
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The emails you get every day that are important are not designed. And so with our newsletter, we again, the newsletter provider was saying, oh, you can use all these templates. But then we're like, no, no, if we use a template, no one reads the thing, which is, again, counterintuitive. But it's the same psychology, right?
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phase out things that are not novel. I think I read it. I was reading studies about habituation and how we just habituate to things. And I was looking into how that happens in both what we see, but also in what we hear. So the studies were talking about, if you say a word like father, father, father, father, father, father, father, father, eventually it just becomes a sound in your head. Yeah.
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Because your brain is... taken away cognitive resource it's no longer thinking about the meaning and it's just hearing this sound but then there's other words that habituate slower like warning warning warning warning warning warning warning warning because those words are like emotional and anyway um i think a lot about it in the context of content creation mr beast is the great master of
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beating your habituation filter, like with how he starts his videos. Yeah. Screaming in your face, like 500 people in that circle, million pounds.
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That's an interesting observation.
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Interesting. Because we're all doing sort of quick prejudices about everything.
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Or find the link in the description below. What is the most popular thing people come to you and talk to you about and ask you that we haven't talked about today?
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comfort.
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How does that manifest? Is that just like being like physically comfortable? What is that?
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And how do I fix my discipline if I'm an ill-disciplined person?
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No, I was thinking of two scenarios. The scenario one is I go home tonight, right? Because I go to sleep, I get to bed early. And there's this other thing I'm thinking about doing after this, which is going to the gym.
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And I'm like, I was just, as you're saying that, I was thinking both help future me. Yeah. So I was like, which one is discipline?
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People struggle even with the small things, right? It's funny because I watched a video last night about a lady that went to YouTube and started her journey of weight loss and whatever. And she was very, I think she was 400 pounds or something. And she was trying to get down.
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And in the video, some people will know who I'm referring to, over the space of a year or two years, she actually just gains weight. So she gets to, I think, 500 pounds or something. And as I was watching it, you're watching someone who's saying, I want to change my life, but then is coming on every day and saying, I've just gained three pounds, I've just gained another three pounds.
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And there's almost this visible dissonance that you're observing between this person saying they want to change their life, but clearly the actions that they're then taking are...
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like are different to that and many people can relate to that feeling of i want to be this person i mean we're coming up to like we're for anyone that doesn't know we're recording this in december so new year's resolutions around the corner everyone's going to say to themselves who they want to become but it's easier said than done i think what seven eight eight percent nine percent of new year's resolutions will stick yeah so is it just a case of starting small or is there any other tricks to discipline that you can offer
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There's an interesting part of this habit equation, you could say, or discipline equation, which is the why part. which is like, why does this matter to you?
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And is it important to get really clear on why this thing matters to you, whether it's the gym or like, because when I was playing around with this discipline equation idea for my last book and the kind of conclusion I landed at was that to be disciplined, you have to understand discipline. the reason why something matters to you. You can say that in other words.
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Plus the psychological reinforcement you get from the pursuit of the thing, minus the, you could say, the psychological or perceived cost of the pursuit of the thing. So in the context of brushing your teeth, I think I know why it matters, right? Because if I don't, then I have to go to the dentist, my teeth fall out, I look ugly, whatever it might be. Yeah. The, is it rewarding and fun to do?
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No, not really. And minus the cost of the pursuit. It takes two minutes. It's not that bad. But when that nets out, the why is stronger, thankfully, on net than the cost. So the behavior happens. But the key part of this equation here is the why part. Like, it's not the key part, but it's a central part is the why part. Why does the thing matter to you?
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I like it. A lot. Because I've been saying it. I wrote about this in my book. The whole idea is Y plus, like, you could say reinforcement, minus, you could say cost, just to simplify it.
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But is there anything missing from this equation? Do you think? Is there anything... I said it to Simon Sinek and he went, let's try it out. And he talked to me about taking his bin out in the morning, like taking the bin out for like the bin men. And it kind of holds up because he's... So the why is if I don't take the bin out, then I'm going to get fined and my bin isn't going to overflow.
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Pretty strong motivator. The reinforcement, there's no reinforcement. Getting out of bed at 7am to take your bin out, it's not nice. The cost is also significant, getting out of bed. But the why still... So it's Y plus... You could say like Y plus the psychological reinforcement from the pursuit of doing it. So DJing, really fun for me.
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So get more comfortable in an interaction conversation, even if it's on the phone or in person.
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Okay.
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Interesting.
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Interesting. So I should keep a vision board.
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How would I show these goals to my dog?
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I'm going to make everything different. I'd move his bed. Is there anything else that we haven't covered yet in terms of your work here that is important for us to know?
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I mean, there's a lot of entertainment apps, right, at the moment for young kids and social networks.
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Is boredom a problem? It might be. Because I'm trying to distinguish between, like, is TikTok solving a problem for a young kid?
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It's like a casino, isn't it, for the dopamine?
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You set time limits on those apps?
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What's the cost, though? What's the cost of the life, in your view, of living this kind of life where, you know, we go home and we just like burn our brains out with these social media apps and fry our dopamine receptors? Is there like a cost?
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I have heard of it, but please don't.
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Is that because if I'm logging on to social media, I'm becoming desensitized to this kind of thing? But also, if you live in London, you get quite accustomed to seeing someone that is homeless. And so in that case of seeing someone rolling on the floor at Liverpool Street Station, you might have seen it before.
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And it might have just been someone who was homeless or struggling with something, some kind of addiction or something. So you've become somewhat desensitized to it? Is that?
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Amen. Amen. We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for. The question left for you is how can we consistently feel and appreciate the blessings in our lives? And this is interesting because you talked about gratitude earlier on.
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What does that mean in reality? Give me an example.
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How does that keep you out of thinking about the future, though?
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And what is the center? That's composure.
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You wrote a book called Phrase 7, which I hear is being turned into a TV series. Yeah. Which you're going to feature in. As a bartender. As a bartender. And this is being released next year? For 25 seconds. Oh, right. Okay. Better than nothing. And this is being released next year?
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Yeah. What is the book about, Phrase 7? Phrase 7.
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Okay, yeah, people know suits. And if I want to learn more about your work and I want to go further into everything that you do, where's the best place for me to go?
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20 hours, maybe. I feel like this conversation could have been 20 hours long because I feel like we're just scratching the surface. Because I guess at the end of the day, everything is about humans. It is. You know, every gold dream problem I have in my life, it could actually be just distilled down to some kind of human challenge with my girlfriend, with, you know, the businesses I run, etc.
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Even with like being a host of a podcast, it's all human beings. So that's why I'm so hungry to learn more because it's clearly like the singular skill that's going to unlock all of the things that I care about. And that's why as well, like when you talk about some of these studies, the Milgram study and a bunch of them in school, I was obsessed with these things.
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I still remember the studies that, like the Milgram study, that they just changed my life and my thinking in so many ways. And as I grew up and I became, you know, I did like a,
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call center stuff and then like business and leadership in our podcast it's all there it's all been human it's all there every step of the way it's been about the same things even you know running businesses now the milgram study or the when i was in the call center the milgram study was still pertinent or as a podcast host the milgram study is still pertinent because it's once again just dealing with humans and that's what you're helping people to unlock so thank you for doing what you do absolutely and for the many you know you've got a lot of raving fans online i thank you on behalf of all of them as well and if anyone wants to go check out the youtube channel
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which is really fascinating because I've watched you many, many, many, many times breaking down moments in society and culture and looking at those moments through the lens of behavioral factors and body language and things like that to help you interpret what was going on in that moment. It's incredibly illuminating and it's incredible. It's entertainment at the end of the day. It's fantastic.
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Thank you so much, Chase.
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Yeah.
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Oh, gosh, it reminds me of something I read when I was 16 in psychology class in a textbook.
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That was the one where they got people to shock each other.
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Please explain.
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Yes. Now, for someone that is listening to this and is confused at this juncture and they're asking themselves, what is that source? You've described it in many potential ways, but my attempt at describing it is it is ultimately where we came from. That is the source. Is there a better way of describing it for people that might be unfamiliar with the concept?
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Based on everything that's happening in the world right now and the work that you've committed your life to, What is the mission that you are on and why is it so important right now?
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On that point of we're all struggling with something based on the levels we're at, if you had to try and summarise what the common answer is to what people are struggling with, what do you think that might be? I was thinking about my best friends, because sometimes it's easier to step outside of oneself and look at others.
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And I was reflecting on the conversations I've had with them over the last couple of weeks about things they're struggling with. And I would define a lot of it as wanting. So wanting to improve their businesses, wanting to improve maybe their romantic situations and find love. I would say the essence of it, the suffering seems to be striving for something that they're unable to grab.
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But I wondered if you had a different perspective on that.
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But a lot of people never get the thing that they're pursuing. So, you know, someone might say, I want to be a millionaire or I want to have this Lamborghini sports car. The majority of people who aspire to that statistically won't ever reach it. So they'll spend their whole life just in pursuit. They'll never get the lesson of path one where you try it and you realize that.
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so many of us live in patterns the same cycles we end up getting the same results and those results result in unhappiness and suffering and i was speaking to a friend over the weekend about how one of our other friends has lived in a bit of a pattern and they've been able to unable to find love and companionship because of some things that happened when they were younger
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I think they were bullied. So they have this sort of deeper sense of having to prove themselves and insecurity. And this shows up all the time because when they meet someone, they present a facade which might not necessarily be accurate. And then very quickly the relationship ends because it was never real in the first place. But this person's now aware of it.
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But it's still happening over and over again. They're still living out the same pattern in their life and still getting the same results and dissatisfaction. So when we think about trauma at an early age that results in this sort of cyclical pattern of getting same behavior, same results, I wondered if you had a perspective on how one can let go of that and therefore break the pattern.
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And what is it that you see people struggling with? Because so many people write to you, they send messages to you, they come and see you. What is it that you hear they're struggling with at a fundamental level?
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And then train those.
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Those new patterns. We don't often think about training some of the virtues that we want to acquire and the patterns we want to have. We kind of think that we have to select them and then we'll do our best to live them. But the idea that I might have to train...
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certain new behaviors is a really compelling one because you're right in the context of any physical development i have to go to the gym and i have to do my repetitions to build that thing that strength but i um was just thinking about creating a training regimen from for certain behaviors and new patterns that i want in my life and trying to make sure i do them every day which is not something that i've i've ever considered
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Three months ago, you became a dad to a young boy, to a young son. Yes. So you're now in the process of raising a man yourself. And there's a lot of dialogue at the moment in the UK, but also just broadly in the Western world around what it is to be a man and how to raise men.
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I think much of this dialogue has been sparked by some shocking statistics that show young men are struggling now more than ever in various ways. I think the single biggest killer of men under the age of 45 is themselves. And also there's just an overarching sense of, I think, purposeless meaninglessness that they're struggling in school more so than women are.
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Some forecasts predict that for every two women that graduate university or college, only one man will graduate in the near future. And it's pretty shocking. So when I think about the way that you're intent on raising your young man, but also what it is that young men in particular are missing in their lives, I wondered if you had... had an answer.
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Why do you think so many young men are struggling?
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You gave a TED Talk in 2020, almost five years ago now, about the five hindrances. What are the five hindrances? You described them as five mental states that are holding us back
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And what are the other things that you hear people suffering with on a daily basis in the modern world with the way that the world is now? It's digitalized. We're lonelier than ever. Mental health seems to be surging. What are the fundamental things they say to you or that you infer through what they're saying that they are actually struggling with?
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When we think about this first hindrance of sensual desire... Is this where discipline comes into play? The idea of discipline, because that word is often used, but it's often lacking a clear definition, but also a clear understanding of how one attains and exhibits discipline. Because when I think about the things that require me to have discipline, it is these desires. It is the five gates.
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It is something I want to eat. It is maybe some kind of touch that I want to have, et cetera, et cetera. So is this where discipline is important?
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I was thinking about my friend when you mentioned awareness there, the friend I described earlier who exhibits the same pattern. And although they might be aware of the pattern, they might say, you know, I have this pattern, I don't believe they're aware of the moment where that pattern begins, like the singular trigger which sends them in that loop. And I was thinking the same about myself.
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I was like, there's some behaviours that I have that I don't like. And although I'm aware of them, in the moment when it happens, I might not be conscious that the pattern has begun. That someone has said something, something has happened. And then you go on that pattern or you reach into the refrigerator at 1am in the morning and grab the thing or you end up being triggered by something.
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So an overload of choice and an inability to make a clear decision is number one.
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So I wondered if there's a practice at all to increase our awareness of the trigger moment.
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How does one begin the journey of doing that inner work?
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And that person is you?
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Who else is it?
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Once I've shone a light on that area of me, so I have greater awareness of its existence and it's now transparent, is it a case then of what is the work I then have to do to make a change in that context?
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So we're talking here about managing one's emotions and getting a grip of one's emotions so you can avoid being triggered or perpetrating the same patterns in your life that have led you to the same outcomes. Yeah. First, you believe that it's possible to change. You gain a greater awareness of the parts of yourself that you've kept in the dark that you might want to change.
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And then what does one do from there?
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Lightness.
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I think in my life, I want to be liked. But the way that my life tends to operate is I might aspire for that. But then I fall into almost a bit of an autopilot. And I run the same pattern throughout the week. And I respond in the same ways to the same external stimulus. So although one might aspire to...
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be freer and to be less agitated or to be you know all those things I quickly fall back into my old path my old autopilot because life does seem to come at me pretty quickly if I look at my calendar it's just full every day so I wake up and like I woke up this morning and I'm like with one eye open looking at my
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phone schedule to figure out like what day it is and what that means and what i have to do and what's just happened and all the podcast has gone out i've got this email from this person and there's my calendar when i'm late for by 20 minutes and although i might have the day before said to myself that this week we're going to be joyful and light and free it feels like the week hits me like a truck and then boom autopilot
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And what is the cost of not utilising our body in the way that it was meant to be utilised?
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People will say, well, I want to have a mansion and I would like to have a private jet and I would like to have a beautiful partner, or I'd like to have a trophy.
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And therefore, is it possible to possess things and to pursue the possession of things while also having a relationship with them where they don't possess you? Can I go in pursuit of getting a, what's something that one might want, a sports car?
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And is it possible to then have the sports car and pursue it without it possessing me and therefore me avoiding the consequences that come with that unhealthy relationship to possession? Because in your life, there must be things that you're pursuing and you get those things. So your book sells a million copies. Your YouTube channel does exceptionally well. You pursued those things.
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The second of the five hindrances is ill will, a negative emotion such as dislike stops you from chasing a goal. Can you give me some context on this one? What do you mean by ill will?
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It's going to come towards you.
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As you've become more popular and you've got millions and millions of views across the internet, your TED talk, I think from one of the links that I saw had some 20 million views and it probably has tens of more millions of views all over the internet. There's going to be more and more people
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sending you messages interacting with you and saying amazing things saying not so amazing things we experience this obviously as a podcaster you just you get you receive all kinds of feedback from everybody when you think about how you manage that and you manage other people's opinion of you does this tie into ill will and i guess the ultimate question is do you care what people think about you
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You nearly broke my table. I was concerned because later on you will be proving to me that you can break this brick using your mind and the physical preparation that you've done, which I find really, really interesting because I tried to smash this brick on the floor and I couldn't.
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Have empathy for their lack of understanding. Yes.
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One of the things that I've noticed in your work is that you have this huge emphasis on being able to focus oneself. And when I talked to you about this brick, I think just before we started recording, you said to me that the average person on the street might not be able to break it. But if someone was really, really strong, they might be able to break it.
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However, the key to breaking this brick isn't strength necessarily. It's the ability to really, really focus. And when we talked about the five hindrances, they will sway us from focus. It will distract us from that ability to focus. So you've cultivated that ability to focus, which culminates in you being able to smash this brick with your hand.
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And it's not necessarily a strength thing you're saying. It is this connection between mind and body focused at a particular moment. So can you show me you smashing this brick? Absolutely. Do you put the brick in the middle of the blocks or do you just put it there? Probably like this. Oh, okay.
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So all of the things you talk about, understanding one's physical mind and mastering it, but also understanding one's physical body will find out if you can smash through this brick. On this point, I wanted to talk about an adjacent subject, which is really like purpose, what to do with one's life.
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You're going to pick your brick.
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So what were you doing then in the lead up to that? Just have your hands like this to the front.
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And to overcome the five hindrances, you recommend the four-step RAIN method. Yes, and with this, I make it super simple. Because your father passed away from cancer. Yeah. How does one let go of that and therefore break the pattern? I will show you some practices. Number one.
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And how does that translate to life generally? Yeah. Good question. Because, you know, it's not a problem I have day to day. But that ability to understand the energy of something and the structure of something and then really understand, be able to cultivate your own focused energy when you need it.
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And if we're spending a little bit too much time thinking off into the future and not enough time thinking in the present moment, I'm wondering how purpose and having a big dream for one's life fits into this equation. And if we should have a purpose, and if so, how do we find our purpose?
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So this is a consequence of... Yes. A long journey of several character traits and attributes, which you've cultivated over a long period of time. And this is just a symptom or a consequence of those things.
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And how long would it take me to learn how to do two bricks like you just did then? How long do you think you would have to spend training me?
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Yeah, it's like steel. Mine's like polystyrene in comparison to that. Well, yours just feels like steel. It felt like I was hitting a bar or something. Okay, so you've got to build up the strength.
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In Shaolin tradition, virtues are a guiding system in both martial arts and daily life. Shaolin warrior practices thinking deliberately and mindfully about the virtues of everyday life for his or her life. And there are two categories of virtues. the virtues to be expected, and the virtues to be learnt. What are these virtues that you speak about in the Shaolin tradition?
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So self-control, what does that mean in this context? If I'm self-controlled, what am I?
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And the second one you said was discipline.
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So that's kindness and compassion for your brothers and sisters.
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Same in business, really. I looked at a lot of these virtues and I thought they're all the kinds of things that we're looking for in a good team member. So discipline, self-control, modesty, benevolence, humility, respect, righteousness, trust, loyalty, willpower, perseverance, persistence, courage and patience.
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Do you believe in a God or do you believe in a religion? If someone asked you, which religion do you follow, what would your answer be?
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What things tend to cover us that need to be taken away?
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Are you happy?
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This one, yes, more and more. What's in the way of your peace?
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And what is your practice in terms of your routines? What do you do every day that brings you back to yourself so that you can regulate yourself? From the moment you wake up in the morning, are there any routines that you try and execute every day?
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So if I watched you for the first hour when you woke up in the morning, what would I see on a typical day?
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And do you do exercise in the morning?
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And this is why I do it. So how important is that for everybody's life to do hard things, do you think? Because it's very easy not to do hard things in the comfort world we live in.
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And so you're almost training to do hard things because hard things are an inevitability of the life we live.
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And that's a habit you've learned, I guess, over time. That's a process you've learned, which is you still have the same stimulus, the same feeling, but you tell yourself, you've learned to tell yourself a different story about that feeling or you've turned... you believe something differently about that feeling.
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Many people would feel the pain of, I don't know, starting a new career journey, starting a business, whatever might be painful. And they would tell themselves the story that that means they are not good enough or they shouldn't do it or that it's a threat and they might stop.
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Whereas because you've cultivated this new relationship with pain, you're able to do these things and tell yourself a better story.
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Is there something practical one can do to get better at stepping outside of their comfort zone? Because in our everyday lives, stepping outside of our comfort zone might just mean putting our hand up in a meeting or doing a public talk or starting an Instagram page for our cupcakes. It could be small things. It could be learning how to run.
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What's the first sort of small step one should take to develop that habit of being okay in the uncertainty of our growth zone?
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The thing that holds us back is fear. Yes. How do we overcome that fear?
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I'd already purchased a pair of Vivo barefoot shoes so I showed them to Daniel Lieberman and he told me that they were exactly the type of shoe that would help me restore natural foot movement and rebuild my strength.
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But I think it was plantar fasciitis that I had where suddenly my feet started hurting all the time and after that I decided to start strengthening my own foot by using the Vivo barefoot. And research from Liverpool University has backed this up. They've shown that wearing Vivo barefoot shoes for six months can increase foot strength by up to 60%.
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And the fourth is restlessness, unable to focus on the present moment. And the fifth is sceptical doubt, indecisiveness, and not trusting yourself. And to overcome the five hindrances, you recommend the four-step RAIN method. What is the four-step RAIN method?
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If you had one last message to share... And that message was a message you had to share for your son. Because one day the inevitability of life means that you do have to have one last conversation. And we don't always get to choose what that one last conversation is.
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But if you do get to choose that last conversation with your three-month-year-old son, once he's able to process it a little bit better, so he's 18 years old, what would that message be?
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I read that when you lost your father, that had quite a profound impact on your life and your way of understanding the world. Your father passed away from cancer when you were sort of roughly 28 years old. It was roughly around 2012. And this, I read, gave you a deeper sense of purpose. How did that impact you as a man?
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many people will be able to relate in their own ways and maybe their parents have now passed on or are no longer with us. I'm wondering if there is a way to hear it from yourself. Yes, there is.
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And what are those sentences in particular that if I was your father, you would want me to say to you right now?
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Because there's so many people that say they are struggling to find meaning in their life or they feel purposelessness. And, you know, I get so many messages from people all over the world saying that they, saying things like, is this it? Is this all my life is?
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And if you heard those words from him, how do you think he would change?
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Have you grieved his passing?
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You've written this wonderful book which describes the way to self-mastery. And it's a really transformative book that I highly recommend everybody checks out. I'm going to link it below. When we talk about self-mastery, what is it you mean? What is it to master oneself?
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And who in particular at this moment in time do you believe would benefit most from the message inside the covers of this book?
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Of all the things we've discussed today, is there anything, anything at all, that you think is the most important thing that we missed? For the person that sat there at home, and I'll give you a persona of the person, they're feeling a little bit lost in their life. They're feeling like they could do more. They're maybe lacking in purpose and meaning in their life a little bit.
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They're struggling in various areas with their relationships, maybe a little bit with work. And they're feeling the normal pressures of life that we all feel. Is there anything for that person that's listening now and that's gotten this far in the conversation that you might say in their ear right now?
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Up and down.
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We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're going to be leaving the question for. And the question that has been left for you is... What is your greatest regret?
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It's like firing someone, letting someone go. Kind of like this, yes. Thank you. Thank you so much for the message you're putting out into the world because it's an increasingly necessary message because I think we're all searching for answers for a variety of different reasons. And your message, as I read it throughout the book, The striking thing about it is it's a simple one.
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But that doesn't mean it's an easy one, but it's a very, very necessary one. And for anyone that does relate to the things we've described today and the situations we've described that people are feeling at the moment, I'd highly recommend you give this book a try because it is a completely different message.
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So thank you for writing such an incredible book and thank you for the wisdom that you've put out into the world. I highly recommend everybody goes and checks out your YouTube channel because there's much more content there and you're a real star on YouTube. Your TED Talk is... A smash hit sensation that has changed millions of people's lives as well. So thank you again for your time today.
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It's been a huge honor. Thank you, Stephen, for the invitation.
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Thank you so much. I'm going to let you into a little bit of a secret. You're probably going to think me and my team are a little bit weird, but I can still remember to this day when Jemima from my team posted on Slack that she changed the scent in this studio. And right after she posted it, the entire office clapped in our Slack channel.
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And this might sound crazy, but at the Diary of a CEO, this is the type of 1% improvement we make on our show. And that is why the show is the way it is. By understanding the power of compounding 1%, you can absolutely change your outcomes in your life. It isn't about drastic transformations or quick wins. It's about the small, consistent actions that have a lasting change in your outcomes.
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So two years ago, we started the process of creating this beautiful diary, and it's truly beautiful. Inside, there's lots of pictures, lots of inspiration and motivation as well.
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some interactive elements and the purpose of this diary is to help you identify stay focused on develop consistency with the one percents that will ultimately change your life so if you want one for yourself or for a friend or for a colleague or for your team then head to thediary.com right now i'll link it below
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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And what do you need to be connected to then? You talked about being surrounded by thousands and being lonely. And it's really about what you're connected to. What does one need to be connected to?
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The world is absolutely crazy right now. This is one of the most interesting moments of social, cultural and economic transition that I have ever seen. So I wanted to do something that I've never done before.
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I've thought a lot about this over the last couple of weeks in particular, because we're hearing these big headlines in national papers in the UK that millionaires are leaving the UK in historic numbers. I think it's 10,800 millionaires left last year, which is an increase of about 160% versus the previous year. And the general sentiment in terms of business confidence in the UK is that a...
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a several year low. So I think it's the lowest it's been since just post pandemic. There's this, I think it's the Institute of Accountants. They call up a thousand accountants every year and they get, they run a survey to see how much confidence they have in business in this country. And it's fallen 14 points to 0.2% confidence in terms of business.
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But there's this bigger narrative emerging amongst my entrepreneurial friends that if you want to start a business right now, the best place to be in the world is to be in America, is to get over to America and to leave the UK. Now, Dan, how does that square? I know you have an accelerator. You speak to lots of entrepreneurs. How does that...
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sort of compare or contrast with what you're seeing at the moment?
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And I wanted to ask you guys some of the dumb questions that I ponder alone with myself and with my dumb friends in my WhatsApp group. It feels to me that the world is at a real moment of transition in many regards. So like social transition, cultural transition, economic transition. And I think the US has been a catalyst for all of that. So that's why I wanted to have this conversation today.
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I called upon three of the leading voices on social, cultural, business and economic issues to give their unfiltered, uncensored points of view so that we can all make sense of all of this craziness happening before our eyes. They don't always agree on much. but today they thrash it out to see if they can agree on something.
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Scott, you moved here a couple of years ago to the UK. And despite everything that's going on in the UK, are you still bullish on this being a place for entrepreneurship and business? I was looking at some stats before we started this conversation around the sort of key areas of entrepreneurship.
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concern for me, business stats I've talked about there, the drop in business confidence, the entrepreneur exodus that we're seeing, but things like knife crime in the UK are up 81% over the last decade, which I think is a symptom probably of something else. And one of the big things I think a lot about as an entrepreneur at the moment is artificial intelligence.
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And our investment in artificial intelligence from a global perspective is down about 2000% versus a country like America. So you've moved here. You've brought your family here. Are you bullish on the UK versus the US from an entrepreneur's perspective?
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We've got an American here, Scott. I think Scott's the only American here. We've got Constantine, we've got Daniel, who are two Brits, but spend a lot of time between America as well.
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And so I want to come to Scott first and ask Scott a question, which is a very big, broad question, which is from your perspective, Scott, when I talk about this feeling of transition that seems to be almost inside my chest, that we're at a really historic moment, what is your analysis on this? What is the big picture here? What's happened over the last three, four, five, six, seven months
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Constantine, I would ask the same question to you as well. Do you think the UK is a failing nation? And Scott described self-inflicted wounds there. I've heard you speak of self-inflicted wounds when you talk more broadly about the West and what the West needs to do to turn itself around.
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And also just layering a third point on top of that, which is somewhat linked to this, is Elon Musk has taken a particular interest in the UK over the last month in particular. And he's started to describe it online, it seems, as a failing nation. What's your view?
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And how is that going to impact all of us around the world?
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Dan, I know this is a subject that you're very passionate about, and Constantine's articulated it really, really well. I've seen lots of your posts about this subject, Dan. What are you seeing, and is it true that the British attitude is a form of self-harm that's holding us back from our potential?
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Scott, you look like a lot of thoughts are going through your head following those two comments. What are you thinking?
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I was watching last night as Trump sat there signing all of those executive orders. And I also watched his inauguration speak where he said, we will forge a society that is colorblind and merit-based. And he signed a bunch of executive orders last night to eliminate a variety of different DEI programs in the federal government, directing agencies to dismantle these practices within 60 days.
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And then over the last couple of months, we've seen Meta, come out and dismantle and reverse some of their DEI programs. We've seen McDonald's, Walmart, Ford, Harley-Davidson, Boeing, Amazon, Toyota. It feels like there's a real shift happening in both sort of identity politics, but also in the sort of corporate environment that those identity politics have really emerged from.
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Are you supportive of Trump's move to roll back DEI measures?
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Scott, when I was listening to that Zuckerberg interview talking about masculinity and identity issues, one of the lines he said in there sounded like something you've said on my show before, where he said, I think having a culture that celebrates that aggression a little bit more, talking about masculinity, has its own merits that are really positive.
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Now, Mark Zuckerberg isn't necessarily someone that I... or closely aligning to your worldview. Am I right in thinking that that's something you agree with? Because I remember you saying to me, you think people should be able to walk in a room and kick everyone's ass.
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We go through the economy, Trump, Elon Musk, EEI, censorship, wokeism, and why so many men are struggling. Why are tens of thousands of millionaires running away from the UK? The terrifying truth and opportunity in AI. And I ask all of them, what is the most important thing in 2025 that nobody is talking about? With the aim of reaching clarity, agreement, and having a laugh in the process.
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Constantine, I suspect you'd have a slightly different view on all of the above. How are you feeling about everything that happened yesterday? Did you watch the inauguration? What is your big picture, 30,000 feet view?
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Well, it's interesting when you speak, Scott, because your views on masculinity appear to me to be most better represented by the right side of politics than the left side of politics. They both have their own vision of masculinity, and yours seems to be a Republican view of masculinity.
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One of my favorites is this vanilla flavor, which I'm going to make in just two seconds. You just take this mixer here, get a little bit of a powder, Pop it on top of the shaker like that. Put the lid on. Shake, shake, shake. Delicious. If you haven't tried this yet, you can find Perfect Ted at Tesco and Holland Barrett stores or online where you can get 40% off with my code DIARY40.
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Head to perfectted.com and put in code DIARY40 to try this delicious multi-flavored matcha now. Highly recommend. And if you do it, please tag me, send me a message online. Do you know that 80% of New Year's resolutions fail by February? It's because we focus too much on the end goal and we forget the small daily actions that actually move us forward.
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Those actions that are easy to do are also easy not to do in life. It's easy to save a dollar, so it's also easy not to. Making one small improvement each day, one tiny step in the right direction, has a big difference over time.
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And that is the 1% Mindset, which is why we created the 1% Diary, a 90-day journal designed to help you stay consistent and focus on the small wins and make real progress over time. It also gives you access to the 1% community, a space where you can stay accountable, motivated, inspired, along with many others on the same journey. We launched the 1% diary in November and it sold out.
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So now we're doing a second drop. Head to thediary.com to grab yours before it sells out again. I'll put the link below. Constantine. Elon Musk, censorship. The word censorship was used there by Scott.
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We've seen this reversal in Meta's attitude, Facebook's attitude that had been built up over a decade, where it almost felt like if you had sort of right-leaning views or really any unaccepted views and you posted those on Facebook, you would face maybe having the post deleted or your account suspended.
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This new world of speech, of free speech, and as it pertains to masculinity, do you think Elon Musk's decision to buy X, which I noticed, Scott, you'd left X. You no longer post or tweet on X anymore. Do you think Elon's decision to buy X is a net positive for society?
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Just to pick up on that, Konstantin, I've had a question in my mind for a while regarding the scandal, which is horrific. I think it's something we all definitely agree on, is why has Elon chosen now? And why has he chosen...
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keir starmer as the sort of central target of this flurry of tweets around the grooming scandals because there's clearly you know elon's a i think an individual which you can kind of see thinking in real time like if you go back through his tweets because there's so many of them and they kind of come in these spurts you can almost see what he's getting at is there an underlying reason why he's made this a central issue over the last couple of weeks
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What outcome does he want?
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There's been a lot of Trump butt kissing over the last couple of weeks. I think Trump's almost bragged about the fact that everybody's flown down to Mar-a-Lago to kiss his butt and to cozy up with him.
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And there's now headlines saying that there's this tech oligarchy forming in the United States where Bezos and Elon and Zuck are all now friends and they're stood behind Trump as this unifying force.
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Just to touch on a few points of that, but also on Constantine's message that Elon is doing this for the betterment of humanity, to further humanity, his involvement with the UK, but his broader involvement in politics now. Scott, does that square with how you think about Elon?
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And I am quite curious to ask you why you made the decision to leave X and to go to blue sky and threads and things like that.
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It's funny this subject has come up because in the last week, I've had a flurry of messages on WhatsApp from friends. I actually had two tweets yesterday, which you could probably see if you just search my name. Because on X at the moment, there's multiple ads running that are fake articles with fake BBC headlines with my face in. So it says things like the Bank of England is suing Steve Bartlett.
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And this is running as a sponsored ad on X. And people are tweeting me these things. My friend says every time he refreshes the feed, he sees a new sponsored ad of a fake article of me. And sometimes it's like, can't believe this happened to Steve. And it's a BBC article. You click on it, you get scammed. I think it's a crypto scam. I don't want to click.
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I'll send the link to you guys so you can click on it for me. But I just, it really has, because that is a bot. There's multiple of them, multiple accounts that have been spun up. They're all verified accounts. And it's AI generated imagery with a paid ad behind it. That's the bit that really gets me. I get people can post shit, but sponsoring it is a new level of defamation.
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One of the big macro things I've been thinking a lot about that I haven't shared yet is just the amount of social networks that have emerged. In the last 10 years, there's been a 50% increase so far in new social networks that have emerged. And we're seeing this splintering now of the rumbles, the blue skies, the threads.
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And it almost seems, talking about echo chambers, that social networks are becoming sort of political environments. And you're choosing your social network now based on your politics. This doesn't seem like a net positive thing for society.
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What I wanted to ask you all to really close out this conversation was, These conversations tend to be a bit of a reflection of what's in the news cycle and what's in the news cycle tends to be a reflection of what people are clicking. And a lot of that's driven by fear and the sort of narrative of the time, whether it's immigration or the Trump inauguration.
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But what is the big important idea that we're not talking about? What's the most important thing that we should be talking about that isn't getting enough attention right now as it relates to the future of the West? And that's a big, broad question. I'll start with you, Daniel.
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Constantine, the most important thing in 2025, that's not getting enough attention.
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Guys, thank you so much for all of your perspective. One of the things I realized as you guys were talking is that you're all fathers and you're all fathers of boys, although you're fathers of boys at different ages.
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So I wanted to just give you all 30 seconds if you could, and this is maybe me asking for myself for this advice, but based on everything that's happening in the world, which can feel incredibly confusing, especially to young people, where we're getting a lot of our information from different echo chambers, what is the advice that you would all give to your young boys
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that would best prepare them for the future and the next couple of years, starting with you, Dan.
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Scott, has the left lost its way, in your view? And if so, how did that happen? And just to respond on some of Constantine's points about Trump being the best of a sort of right wing collective, are we going to see right wing sort of ideology spread throughout the Western world over the coming years? What's your take on all of the above?
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Constantine, Scott, Daniel, thank you so much for taking the time at sort of short notice to talk about all these subjects. It's incredibly wide-ranging conversation, and you'll bring such an interesting, hilarious, nuanced perspective to these issues. And I'm glad that we can have these conversations and disagree in a respectful way
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that hopefully clarifies a lot of the confusion that I experience and a lot of people are experiencing at the moment. So thank you to all of you. I'm going to link to all of your work on the screen. I know, Scott, you've got a book coming on masculinity, which we're all very, very excited about. We've been waiting. It's long overdue. Please hurry up.
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Constantine, is that true? Because what I heard there is that effectively Trump had a better marketing campaign. And that reality is somewhat different from what the Americans were sold in the last election cycle.
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Thank you so much for your time. Back to this episode. three of the best commentators, the most articulate people I know that also have the most interesting, broad experience and also, I think, political background. So I wanted to talk to you about everything that's going on in the world.
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And then the way it worked was, you know, you've got all this public spotlight and then they'd like put him up on a stage and he'd be in front of 100,000 people in Dubai.
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And then they, after that experience, he was then like driven back to a hotel room and like locked in a hotel room because obviously you can't go out because you're that famous that if you walk out on the street, crowds are going to emerge. So he was then locked in that hotel room. And on the show, he said, I was locked in there with the minibar. which is full of alcohol.
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So I would drink and that cycle would repeat itself. And it'd be like stage, you know, car, hotel, locked, drink, stage, car, and that cycle repeat itself. So when you were talking about isolation and loneliness as well, I never really considered the fact that connection and social relationships could play a role in help in creating an addiction in someone, but it tracks.
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You're clearly extremely smart. And when I meet people like you, I always think to myself, you could have committed your life to anything. You could have worked in pretty much any field and you would have been a success because you have what it takes to be successful. So why do you care so much about this?
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An immediate family member?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And what age were you when you lost that person?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
From addiction?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
When you're dealing with a family member or someone close to you that has an addiction... so many people listening will be able to relate to that feeling. Can you describe what they feel in, I guess, an attempt to make them feel seen?
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Because sometimes, especially in hindsight, if you end up losing that person, you can be filled with lots of feelings of guilt or misunderstanding, and especially thinking about how society's moved on. So how do you put into words how it feels to be a family member with someone dealing with addiction?
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What did those people in your life need that you lost that they didn't get?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Do you sometimes think back and think, you know, if... If I'd done something differently, whether it was you or someone else around you or the system around that individual, they would still be here today. Because I think that was the first thing that sprung to mind. I played back all the decisions that I made. And I thought, okay, maybe that was bad advice that I was given.
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Maybe I should have been, you know, maybe I could have called more. Maybe I could have intervened here. Maybe, you know, maybe there's something else I could have done.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Dr. Sarah Wakeman, with all the work that you do, what is the mission that you are on?
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There's a phrase I had many years ago, which I'm now reconsidering, which is change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of making a change. And that kind of dovetails into this idea that someone needs to hit their own rock bottom for them to change. I think the part, the reason why that idea prevails is because we hear so many stories.
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I hear them on this podcast of someone's family rejecting them, throwing them out on the street and them having that eureka moment that, fuck, I need to change my life. And people always reference that like rock bottom moment where they took action because, you know, they were at the very bottom of the well. And how does that phrase sit with you?
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Change happens when the pain of making a change becomes greater than the pain of making a change.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So would you say that if we are trying to help someone change, really it's about hope, it's about the strength of their why, and it's about love and empathy and connection?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Is there anything else missing?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And treatment, okay. Which is subjective, right? Which could be depending on the situation they're in.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So alcohol. Yes. I mean, alcohol's been on a journey.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
It's been on a journey in terms of society's opinion about it. Can you take me on that journey and tell me where we are now? And when I'm saying that, I'm talking about society's opinion on its health benefits and what it is. And then also what we're getting wrong now about alcohol.
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Are you telling me that there's no healthy level of alcohol consumption?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And who are you and what is your sort of body of experience and education?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So I look at this glass of wine here and this pint of beer.
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If I drank one of these a day, not a huge amount, I think what people tend to think is they think, well, it's only one, so my body will just flush it out and there'll be no adverse health consequences.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Is that true?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So if I have a glass of wine every day, I'll be over that limit then?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So if you said that this is roughly three units roughly.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
You get 14 a week. So three times seven, 21. Yep.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Okay, so if I have this glass of wine every day, then I'd be over the UK limit of?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Lower risk drinking. So I'd be medium risk drinking.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Okay. Because I was wondering why cancer has been increasing.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
A variety of different forms of cancer are increasing. You know, breast cancer is one of the ones we always hear about that's increasing. So you're saying, what is the data in terms of low or moderate risk of drinking and cancer?
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Mm-hmm.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
13% likelihood.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So that means that if there's nine women in this room, one of them is going to get breast cancer probabilistically?
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Damn.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And it's increasing? Yeah.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So even at this sort of level, if I'm drinking, that might be one unit, right? Yes.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Even this amount? Mm-hmm.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Is it just breast cancer?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Does it have an impact on thinking about cancers that are prominent in men?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So yeah, can you drill down on that? So if I'm a heavy drinker, so say that I'm drinking, let's say I'm drinking two glasses of wine a day consistently, which I guess would, like if I was drinking two of those a day.
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So two of those a day puts me in the heavy drinker category.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
It is very normal. I think it's somewhat more difficult for younger people to understand because younger people drink less. But if I think about the generation above me, having two glasses of wine a day is quite normal. After work, on the weekends, with every meal that you have. So that would make me a heavy drinker. And then what are the stats saying in terms of my cancer risk profile?
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And then if I have other sort of, do they call them comorbidities?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So other illnesses, other diseases in my body, my probability is going to go up further if I'm obese, if I'm overweight, etc.
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How does that work?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What's going on in the body then? If I drink alcohol, how is that leading to cancer? You referenced it slightly there, but I want to make sure I'm super clear in my brain as to what the knock-on effects are and how that ends up as cancer.
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When you think about how we treat addiction in the modern world, what are some of your gripes? Where are we going wrong?
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Because your body sees ethanol as poison.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So I also found this graph, which shows, for anyone that can't see what we're describing at the moment, it shows the acceleration in liver disease, death rates and general liver disease compared to other parts of the body. Other organs in the body, I believe it shows. What impact does alcohol have on the liver? And we have our little mannequin here of the human body. Where is the liver?
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It almost looks like it's as big as the lung, as one lung.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Really?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So I've got a bunch of questions around the liver. Does that mean that my liver can take a bit of a beating before there's any real problems? Should I, you know, someone like me, I don't drink alcohol. I'm not engaging in anything too bad. But sometimes I do wonder if I could have like a blowout weekend and then my liver would just recover to normal again and I'd be fine.
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You said that my liver regenerates though. So I'm thinking this thing will just pop back to normal again.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What activities outside of alcohol cause great stress on our liver that we might not see as obvious?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
How much do you think, this might be a bit of an unclear question, but how much alcohol is going to cause liver damage?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And what is an addiction? What falls into the bucket of addiction? You know, because I use my iPad a lot. I use my phone a lot. Is that an addiction?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And does alcohol just impact the liver?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
This is, by the way, shocking.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What is going on there? Like what's causing the brain to deteriorate in such a way because of alcohol?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Okay, so that's the brain.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Oh, damn. Sometimes we think that if we're good at handling our beer or our alcohol, then it's having less harm on us. So for whatever reason, I've always been good at drinking quite a lot when I used to drink.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
I don't drink anymore, but when I used to drink and being less affected than my friend who was a little bit bigger than me, had a little bit more body fat, which is really interesting because you pointed out an association there that I was never aware of. Just to pause on that for a second, you're saying that if someone has more body fat, they're more likely to get drunk?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
That explains a lot. Because I always wondered, he was so much bigger than me. At the time, he had much more body fat. And he would get drunk very, very quickly. And you always think, oh, a big guy, they can handle their beer or whatever. But he'd get drunk very quickly. So I used to wonder, I used to think, well, alcohol isn't harming me as much because I'm not as drunk as he is.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
But that's not true.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What is a hangover?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Because people think of it sometimes as just being dehydrated.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Because sometimes I remember back in the day, if I had a big glass of water before I went to bed, if I'd been drinking, I felt better in the morning.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
There'll be people listening to this now. I doubt they would have got this far. Because if they did, they probably wouldn't think this. But there'll be some people who would have gotten this far in the conversation and be thinking, yes, but.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
alcohol helps me socialize and socializing is really important and i can't socialize very easily because the design of the modern world without having a drink or i have great times when i drink so i don't want to quit my alcohol use and you know in some cases that they will be high and medium consumption alcohol drinkers what do you say to those people
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
In terms of treating someone with alcohol abuse disorder, rehab is often the most widely known form of treatment. One of my friends who struggled with addiction really, really badly with alcohol addiction, but also drug addiction, said to me multiple times, he said, I've been to rehab three or four times now and it's just not working.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And I think when the most popular or the most well-known treatment doesn't work for you, you kind of develop an even greater sense of hopelessness. Are you a fan of rehab?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What do you think about psychedelics as a way to counteract addictive behaviors like the ones we've described earlier?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Psilocybin is the active compound in magic mushrooms.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Have you heard of ibogaine?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Which is often associated, which is another psychedelic often associated with addiction.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And what things are capable of being addictive?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Really?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Have they studied that?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
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One of the ways that many of us understand addiction, if we haven't experienced it directly in our own lives, is we look up at role models on TV and in sort of celebrity pop culture. And we see these role models who, you know, we see on stages start to deteriorate and deteriorate in the public eye.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And ultimately, it seems often like it's inevitable that someday the TMZ headline is going to ring out and say that this person has passed away. And that happens all too often. We think about Whitney Houston or I guess Michael Jackson's even been associated with dying from an addiction to, I think it was painkillers or something.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Prince, Elvis Presley, Mac Miller, who a lot of people will know as well, Anna Nicole Smith. And even now in the public eye, there are certain individuals where we're starting to see this sort of erratic behavior. They're posting on their Instagrams. They're showing up in society in a slightly different way. When you see that, in the line of work that you operate in, what is your natural reaction?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
How does it make you feel when, you know, because there's a couple of people I'm thinking about at the moment who the world are talking about that, you know, we think they have an addiction, we think they need help. What is your natural reaction to that? And what is it that those people need?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
I remember I had this one particular friend who had an addiction. And I remember always the life of the party. And I remember this one day he came up to me at an event. And he sat down in front of me and said to me, he said, he whispered to me, I'm in so much pain. And he told me about rehab and how it failed him, etc.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
But it just, it almost sounded unbelievable that someone with such a big smile on their face would whisper to me, especially a man, because men don't really talk much about their emotions. I'm in so much pain.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And then funnily, I then see how the world treats that individual, him having whispered that to me one day and the world, how the world responds to his behavior and attacks him and criticizes him. But I was privy to the whisper. And that one whisper helped me to kind of reframe how to treat that person, but also really what was at the heart of what was going on.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Because I would have been like the rest of the world. I would have just thought, oh, what an idiot. What a dickhead. What's he doing that? That's strange behavior.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
You must have had many cases that broke your heart.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Can you tell me about one that changed you?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
If you were president of the United States, for example, let's just use this country as an example, and you had to make upstream changes to the way society was designed in order to mitigate the downstream symptom of addiction, addictive behaviours, etc. What are those things that you would change about the way that our society is designed? You could change anything.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
It reminds me of Rat Park.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What is Rat Park for those that don't know?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Even beyond that, I wonder sometimes in my life if I'm addicted to other things. Like, I mean, I drink coffee every day. I certainly get a craving to drink it now.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Many of us are living in the first model of Rat Park.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
We're living alone. We're living in these big cities. We're more sedentary than ever before. Maybe, you know, we've moved to a big city because we don't have, which means we don't have our family around. We might be doing a job that's incredibly challenging.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So it's no wonder when we think about addiction and alcohol and some of these other behaviours, but more broadly beyond alcohol as a substance, other addictive behaviours, whether it's social media or it's what we eat or pornography or in the sort of inverse, the good habits, the healthy food, the working out, the exercise, the productive behaviors, why we're struggling so much.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
No. I think it helps.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Okay, so it's not.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And I've often wondered if we should all just like go to like communes and live, do you
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And are you a fan of therapy as an approach to aim at the early childhood trauma?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And I guess the same applies for family and friends.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Is it possible to prop somebody up? I, you know, because I was talking to, I think it was talking to Dr. Anna Lemke about this, about the idea that you can play a role in someone's addiction. Yeah. I want to help my friend who's addicted. And so I'm there for them. I'm comforting them. But I'm actually in some way reinforcing that addictive behavior because...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
I'm positively reinforcing it because I'm supporting them so much and I'm loving them so much and I'm showing them so much empathetic attention that actually I'm playing a role in continuing that addiction. Is that possible?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And how big is the problem? So if you were to frame, like, why should we care? Why should the person listening to this care? Because I imagine it's the case that many people here don't have an addiction that fits into the category of having severe consequence for their life. I also imagine some people are under the impression that addiction is something that happens to other people.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Yeah, I guess I'm trying to represent the audience member that's listening to this right now that knows someone in their life that was addictive. And they tried to be empathetic. They tried to offer support. They tried to give the person help and still nothing changed.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
In that situation, maybe the person that was struggling with the addiction didn't accept the support, didn't go to the meetings, didn't speak to the therapist. In such a situation where you're offering help to someone and they're not taking it, they're not willing to investigate different medical treatments. They're living at your house, they're in your business, whatever.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Is there a point where you say enough is enough?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So can you frame the situation for me and explain to me why we should all care about this and I guess the scale of the impact it's having?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What's the difference in delivery there in terms of delivering that message? Because they're both ultimately getting to the same outcome, but it sounds like the language might be slightly different.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
I'll be your patient. And so, yeah, I do drink a lot. I drink a couple of times a day, especially in the mornings, but it's fine. You know, I'm still managing to get to work every day. Obviously, I have a couple of misconduct issues at work. But other than that, you know, and my partner's left me, but other than that, everything else is fine and I can manage this.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
It is. Yeah. Yeah. I lost my partner's left me and I keep getting these misconduct and notifications at work and disciplinaries because I sometimes get there late. And when I'm there, sometimes I fall asleep, et cetera. And I've worked with big machinery. So that's a little bit of a risk there. But otherwise, it's OK.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
That's true, yeah. I am, you know. I've been on the crane in particular. Being intoxicated on the crane in particular has caused a few incidences. And, you know, I sometimes do worry that one day it'll go a little bit too far, yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Yeah, and then what am I going to do for work? Because if you get something like that on your file, then I'm never going to be able to be a machine operator ever again.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So important.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Yeah, 100%.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Well, I really should fix this alcohol issue that I have. And I would love to find a partner. That's really important to me because I want to have a family. So obviously prerequisite of having a family is finding a partner, really. So, yeah. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So what you're doing there is you're not leading me, you're kind of pushing me.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What if you want to change yourself? Is there a process, a system, a methodology to help you discover what your ideal behaviors are, what your why is and to implement change?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Are there any other things, any other habits that we should be thinking about when we're trying to overcome an addiction? So if we think about alcohol as being at like the bottom of the stream, is there anything else upstream that I should be thinking about? So we talked about social connections and relationships.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So I need to be making sure that I'm surrounded by people I'm socializing because that's going to be an insulator to like stress and loneliness, which is going to cause me discomfort, which is going to lead me to alcohol.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
But are there any other things that I should be thinking about when I'm setting off to make a change in my life?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Is that linked to dopamine?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So what if I fill it up with like – haagen-dazs ice cream and burgers because that will cause a dopamine here so presumably if i just eat loads of sweets and candy then that's going to stop me from engaging in addictive behavior
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
I think B2B marketers keep making this mistake. They're chasing volume instead of quality. And when you try to be seen by more people instead of the right people, all you're doing is making noise, but that noise rarely shifts the needle, and it's often quite expensive. And I know, as there was a time in my career where I kept making this mistake, that many of you will be making it too.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Eventually, I started posting ads on our show sponsor's platform, LinkedIn, and that's when things started to change. I put that change down to a few critical things. One of them being that LinkedIn was then, and still is today, the platform where decision makers go to not only to think and learn, but also to buy.
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And when you market your business there, you're putting it right in front of people who actually have the power to say yes. And you can target them by job title, industry, and company size. It's simply a sharper way to spend your marketing budget. And if you haven't tried it... How about this? Give LinkedIn ads a try and I'm going to give you $100 ad credit to get you started.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
In which direction are we going in as a society? Are we getting better or are we getting more addicted?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
If you visit linkedin.com slash diary, you can claim that right now. That's linkedin.com slash diary. Just thinking about something we said earlier about how early childhood trauma causes the brain to change and then results in addictive behaviors. If I went through an early childhood trauma and my brain has changed because of that, and then I get into, I become addicted to alcohol as a young man.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And then I managed to find my way off the alcohol. My brain is still addicted, right? My brain still has that addictive sort of predisposition. So isn't it the case that I'll just end up being addicted to something else that gives me a dopamine hit?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Because some people say, I've got an addictive personality. They sort of self-label and self-identify as having an addictive personality. Sometimes they even reference their brain as being easily addictive. Is there truth in that? Is it possible to have an addictive personality?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
How much do you think about other things that are taking hold of society? Some of the other things that are non-substance related, so social media addictions and pornography addictions, and what else are some of the big ones? Food addictions?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Can you tell me about a time where you've worked with a patient who, through the process of working with them and understanding their trauma, you discovered something unexpected about the root cause of their addictive behavior? Yeah.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
I was looking at some of the life expectancy graphs and this one in particular I found quite shocking. I'll throw it up on the screen. But it shows that obviously, you know, we would expect that there was a drop in life expectancy during the pandemic. But even when you compare it to other countries, it's not as significant.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Did he recover?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
From substance abuse?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
You must carry a lot of this stuff with you because your line of work sounds like you're dealing with bad news quite often, more so than the average person. And the news you're dealing with is a different type of news. You're dealing with somebody sort of reaching the end of their life through something that you also have said many times you believe is preventable in many cases.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
How do you manage that?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What is the most important thing we didn't talk about that we should have talked about?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What does that mean?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So I'm wondering why, in your view, there was such a significant decline in life expectancy during the pandemic.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
It's so interesting because I was aware of this, but I still found myself accidentally using the word abuse.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And I'd stumble into it. I'd go, fucking hell, Steve. Yeah. I tried to avoid the use of the word addict.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Something I've been really curious about just in my life generally, because in conversation, I'll often... I said something yesterday when we were at dinner with the team here. I said, I can't remember the exact phrase, but it was words to the effect of, I'm not good at that, or I'm not that type of person, or I'm not organised.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And I stopped myself, and the team will remember, and I go, actually, I shouldn't say that. I should say, right now, what's the word?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Yeah, I think it's so important and we don't think about it. How casually we create an identity for ourself that is like fundamentally limiting or puts us in a box or frames us as having a deficit or captures our whole identity in some kind of deficiency we have often in the case of the habits I'm referring to. Does a similar thing take effect when we're talking about calling someone an addict?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next, not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for. And the question that's been left for you is, if you could redo or revise one thing that you have successfully accomplished, what would that be and why?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
At the essence of what's actually going on there, because, you know, addiction is downstream from something else. What is actually going on?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
That applies to all of us. I felt like I was being called out.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Thank you so much. I'm so grateful for the work that you're doing because there's so much conflicting information, especially as it relates to alcohol. There's been so much information over the last five, 10 years about the impact alcohol has on us. And I've sat here and had conversations with people who are pretty convinced that even moderate levels of alcohol are good for us.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And having read your work, I'm now clear on what the truth there is. Thank you for doing what you do. It's incredibly important.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And I actually think it's going to become increasingly important, unfortunately, because the way that the world is heading, the loneliness epidemic that we're experiencing and the access we now have to digital devices and to low-cost consumption of addictive substances is terrifying for me. I know you've got a book on the way, which I'm extremely excited about, which is due in autumn. Next autumn?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Okay. And what's that book about? Can you give me a clue?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Where do people find you if they want to reach out or learn more?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
I look forward to that. I'd love to. So your Instagram, your LinkedIn, I'll put those details below. I'm sure you'll probably get a lot of messages because these issues in particular are incredibly important.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
incredibly potent issues in people's lives and very emotional issues as well so thank you for on behalf of all my audience thank you for your generosity today but also thank you for your wisdom really really appreciate it and i would love to speak to you again soon when the book is out thank you thank you for having me
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
What is going on in the brain? You referenced it a little bit there. You referenced that dopamine makes you feel good. So, you know, very naively, I would assume in case if you feel bad, dopamine makes you feel good, you want more dopamine. But is it more complicated and nuanced than that?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
So when you think about how we treat addiction, where are we going wrong?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Ah, okay. So if I'm having a stressful time at work and work is making me anxious and is crippling me, then I'm more likely to want to have a big blowout on the weekend because that's effectively a pain medication.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
You know, I was thinking about a friend of mine who is fairly well known, passed away from cancer. issues related to his addiction. He had a lot of pressure on him when he was fairly young. He wasn't necessarily a young child when he had a lot of pressure put on him, but he was young. And I was wondering, as you said, childhood experiences... What age that is. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
And what is it that people need?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Is there like a certain age where those experiences, you know, if you experience a certain level of trauma at a certain age, it's harder to recover from that and you're more likely to be addicted?
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
Wow. I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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How Alcohol Rewires Your Brain and Increases Cancer Risk by 40%! The Alcohol Doctor, Dr. Sarah Wakeman
My friend that I was referencing is Liam Payne, who's from One Direction, the boy band who passed away. And he was on my podcast a few years before he passed away. And on the show, he said that much of what made his early life so difficult as a teenager was he was obviously thrust onto this big show.
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I'm sick of multi-millionaires telling kids who can't afford to turn the heating on, you just need to be more entrepreneurial. It's sick, Dan.
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. Gary. Daniel. Daniel, you've been on the show a few times before, so I want to start with Gary and understand a little bit about your backstory and who you are.
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Do you think the average Brit, American, Australian, wherever the person out there is watching, if they quit their job and go work in tech, do you think they'll be able to get financial security relatively easily?
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It's not specific to anywhere.
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All four of them died with nothing. because that wealth which they had in property was used in equity release schemes. It was used in paying through their retirement. It was used in end-of-life care. Do you think when those old people die, young people today will be rich?
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Do you think ordinary families are the creditors?
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So if the average British family has half a million pounds in debt, does the average British family have half a million pounds of credit?
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You think the average British family is sitting on half a million pound cash?
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So 78%… So you think the average British old person is sitting on millions of pounds of cash?
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Equity. Or someone is on the other side of those mortgages.
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Do you think it's okay that the average British or American young person will never own any wealth?
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I've got wealth, yeah. Do you own wealth? But it depends what you call wealth. I do. So do we, three multimillionaires... Do we think it's okay that the average Brit or American young person will never own any wealth? Because I don't think that's okay. To me, that's not the debate.
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Would you rather that the people who currently are multimillionaires, would you rather that all of the wealth was owned by their kids?
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What's UK GDP growth at the moment?
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How much did your wealth grow in the last year? Exponentially. Okay, so if our wealth, my wealth probably grew about 20% in the last year. Maybe 30, okay? If our wealth is growing 30% and the economy is growing at 1%, Where is it coming from if it's not coming from our viewers?
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And having been through the trading game and read and watched many, many of your videos over time, I have a sort of deep understanding of that.
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So everyone's getting richer?
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So do you think the reason our viewers, the average Brit or American, are getting poorer is because they don't know how to create wealth?
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But for anyone that doesn't know you, can you give me a picture of the context that has brought you to where you are today, writing about the things you're writing about today and running the YouTube channel and speaking to the subject matter that you're speaking about today? Take me right back and give me as much as you possibly can.
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My friends can't feed their kids, okay? If it was that easy, why is everybody not doing it?
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I feel like you know.
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They went up after the war.
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And who funds that spending?
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Gary, I want to get your opinion here, because you're asking a lot of questions, but I actually don't know your opinion.
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I just want to know what Daniel thinks, and I want our viewers to be able to research Daniel's opinions. But how do you disagree with those opinions? Listen, Daniel's a businessman. He's obviously a very successful businessman. I'm not a businessman. I'm not going to pretend to be a businessman. I'm an economist. I make money by being right in the economy.
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Daniel's a good businessman, and I'm right on the economy. It's as simple as that, basically. I'm not a good businessman, but I've got 15 years of being right on this, on the economy. And I know you're probably a wealthy man. You probably don't want to pay high taxes. You probably don't want your kids to pay high taxes.
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But we exist in an economy where wealth is being extracted out of the middle class, out of the working class, very, very rapidly. It's benefiting people like the three of us at this table. It will benefit our kids. Our kids will be rich. Their kids will be poor. And I just think we should be honest with them. Capitalism's finished. We won. Well done, Stephen. Well done, Daniel. Well done, Gary.
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Okay, so my name's Gary Stevenson. I was born in a place called Ilford, which is in outer East London. Quite a poor family, a little terrace house by the railway, you know, playing football in the streets kind of stuff. Always very good at maths since I was a kid, very talented maths student.
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It's over now. Our kids will be rich. Their kids will be poor. They'll pay the taxes. We won't pay the taxes. We'll avoid it. I'll make money betting on it year after year. Why are we lying to them? Why are we lying to them?
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It's an overly simplified view of things that has made me a multimillionaire.
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Do you think the average British and American worker at the 50th percentile, do you think their kids will be richer than they are?
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Yeah, except for the cleaners living in the closets, yeah. You know, look. But we don't count them in the statistics, just like we don't count our viewers.
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We only count the rich ones.
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Do you think the average Irish person lives well?
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I want to know what the average man or woman in Dublin today lives like.
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So do you think if we shrink the government, if we start to slash government spending, do you think that would improve living conditions?
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So do you think US living conditions will increase in the next few years because we have a US government now that's planning to slash the US government?
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Eventually able to get into the London School of Economics, which is an extremely elite university, economics university in the centre of London, which is basically a kind of investment banking boot camp. Got a job as a trader. Started working full-time as a short-term interest rates trader at Citibank in London in June 2008, when I was 21.
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Do you think it would improve living conditions?
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Because my sister can't pay the rent. Is that freedom? The... If you're living in a country. She can't afford to live in the city that she was born in. I agree. You and I agree on the problem. You keep bringing back to the problem. I keep bringing it back to people because the people who watch, we're millionaires, okay? The people who watch us are mostly not millionaires.
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Is life going to get better for them?
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So let me ask on that then, the point about if you're connected to the most productive parts of the economy. I was quite...
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quite surprised when i was doing some research on this to find that there's quite big differences between the uk and the us in terms of gdp growth in q4 2024 the us economy grew by 0.6 percent while the uk growth was 0.1 percent so they're doing significantly better in that regard us gdp per head stands at eighty two thousand dollars per head whereas the uk stands at forty nine thousand dollars per head and stock market performance which is an indication of i guess whatever
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rose by 300% in the US, whereas the FTSE 100 declined by 20%, which is the UK stock market. Productivity growth since 2018, productivity increased by 30% in the United States, which has outpaced the UK. And lastly, income growth. Since 2007, American income per head has increased by 72%, while it has decreased by 2% in the UK in dollar terms.
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So they seem to be doing better from, if you just look at the economy... Why is that? Is that because they lean more into technology and to innovation and entrepreneurship? And is it because of the things you were saying earlier about their attitude towards the government, like reduced government spending versus tax the rich? Why?
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I'm keen to hear Gary's view on this because I understand yours because you've just said it.
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Yeah, I think these are great statistics. And of course, the US has a strong reputation for being very free markets and being very small states in the last five years, 10 years, 15 years. we've had a UK government that has been aggressively slashing the state.
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And the US, we had a government in the last four years which has been running a massive, massive deficit. So in that period of time, it appears the government which has been aggressively increasing its deficit has massively overperformed the government which has been aggressively slashing the state.
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That's what it looks to be from the last... I mean, Joe Biden enormously increased the deficit, enormously, and the Conservatives were austerity government for 14 years. Which one seems to have given the better numbers?
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So do you think government services have it funded now?
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You don't want government... You don't think that spending on government services has been slashed?
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Do you think the police spending has been slashed?
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Obviously, exactly, that's just before the big credit crash, the big Lehman crisis. And I watched the Lehman crisis happen in front of my eyes. I was... Short-term interest rate trading is basically like short-term loans. And during the credit crisis, what a credit crisis is, is nobody can borrow any money. So like short-term loans become really, really important.
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It's because... You're not going to say one thing back on that.
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So are you saying we should tax working people less?
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I want to cut the taxes on those entrepreneurs and raise the taxes on the billionaires because I worked my tits off. How many billionaires are in the UK? There's a lot of billionaires in the UK. It's 150. Yeah, so tax them all. What do they pay? Listen, I worked my tits off. And I paid, it was 50% top rate of tax. 50% top rate of tax plus national insurance, 60%. So a million a year.
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To bring my family out of poverty. At the same time, the Duke of Westminster inherited £10 billion and paid nothing. Do you think that's fair?
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Okay, why is it not true?
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So I pay 16% and this guy pays 0.6%. Apples with apples.
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So he pays 0.6% a year. Pro rata. You're telling me 0.6% a year.
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My desk, which was like historically an unfashionable area of trading, became like the center of the crisis, or one of the centers of the crisis. People started making tons of money. I was working with all these crazy people. And you can imagine me, like I turn up 21 years old, and then like within three months, like everyone around me is making a ton of money during the credit crisis.
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Hold up. So you're saying I pay, what's 60 over 0.6?
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Wait, why is it not apples with apples? This guy pays 0.6% a year. I paid 60% a year.
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I paid that 60% every year, Daniel.
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So you think he pays income tax on the income on that?
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Okay, well, our viewers can research whether he pays income tax on his income. Because I don't think he does.
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So you think he's paying 60% on his income?
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No, what would you say? This guy, he's inherited £10 million. So he's worth £10 billion. What would you say will be the total amount of tax he will pay in his lifetime?
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So wait, wait, wait. So if I get given £10 billion, I don't pay any tax. But if I work for £10 billion, I pay 60%. If this is the tax system that you want, you will end up in a system where the kids of the rich will own everything. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And that's fine because that's our kids. You're not telling the truth about his situation.
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Let's have a tax system where your kids and my kids and Stephen's kids are multimillionaires and these guys out there can't afford to feed their kids and put the heat in them. That's not what I'm saying. But that's what you'll get. That's not what I'm saying. That is what you'll get. Listen. That's what I'm betting on. That's fine because I'll make money in the markets. It's fine.
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And you'll make money and you'll make money. It's our viewers who will be poor and that's fine. That's fine for us.
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But what really interested me, was what happened after the crisis itself, which was, so we're betting on interest rates. Long story short, interest rates come down when the economy is weak and they go up when the economy is strong or when the economy is overheating from an inflation perspective. In 2008, all the interest rates go to zero.
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These really rich guys, what do they own? Companies. And why are those companies worth money?
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And where do the revenues come from?
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Okay.
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If you push a button… What country is your biggest single revenue source?
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Let's say you move to Cayman Islands and the US says, we're going to tax your revenue at point of sale. what can you do?
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Oh, but you just said the rich-owned companies. You said that's what they own.
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Oh, it's not a consumption tax. It's the tax on the ownership.
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So you're saying if you start to tax...
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What do billionaires own? Companies. And where do companies get their money from? Revenues. And where do the revenues come from? Purchasing.
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And where do those people live? All over the world. We can tax them at that point.
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Today's debate is fiery to say the least, but important nonetheless, as I sat down with two leading experts in wealth and entrepreneurship and the economy to discuss the state of the US, the state of the UK and the Western world.
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So suddenly our job is basically predicting and betting on when will those interest rates go back up, which is when will the economy recover? And this is super interesting. In 2008... Because all the interest rates went to zero so quickly. Before 2008, it's important to remember, rates would move from like five and a half to five and a quarter.
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I know how profit shifting works.
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Companies selling to the UK, the US, enormous amount of profit in the US. And they turn around and say, actually, our profit's not in the US. You think the US is incapable of going and looking if that's seeing really where the profit is?
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Are we seeing that now with this, they call it the millionaire exodus, which is, for people that don't know, the UK is set to lose the greatest proportion of millionaires in the world this parliament. I'll put a graph on the screen, which is this one here, this one here. And that little red line here is us losing all of our millionaires at the moment.
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And in 2024, it's estimated that 10,800 high net worth individuals left the UK, which is a 157% increase from the previous year, which means that one millionaire is departing every 45 minutes. The UK millionaire exodus is equal to losing 530,000 average taxpayers annually. And another stat, the top 10% of earners in the US account for nearly half of all consumer spending.
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The top 1% of income taxpayers in the UK are projected to contribute about 30% of total income tax from 2024 to 2025. Why are all these millionaires running away?
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Well, it's not because they're taxing their wealth, because we don't have any wealth taxes. Why do you think they're leaving? I think the reason they're leaving is because the UK economy is really, really weak. Because the UK consumer is really, really weak. Because you've absolutely crushed the spending power of your average British family.
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The average British family can barely afford to feed the kids and turn the heating on. So why are you going to start a business here when the customers are absolutely impoverished?
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And then here in 2008, everywhere in the world slashing to zero.
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So the reason they left is because we used to allow them to not pay tax.
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Exactly. And everybody, all the economists were like, wow, this is going to cause a massive recovery because they thought that interest rates were powerful. And everybody predicted that rates would come back up in 2009, which, of course, we now know they didn't. Then everybody predicted that rates would go up in 2010, which we now know they didn't.
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So isn't it a bit more like if we were 10 of us at dinner and there was one guy who came to dinner on the condition he wouldn't pay their leaves? Because these guys weren't paying tax anyway. If the reason they left is because they weren't paying tax.
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These guys were here on a condition. You yourself said the reason why they left is because we let them live here on the condition that they didn't have to pay taxes.
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These guys, they live in Dubai. Their money comes from the West. They are making money from the West while your average Western ordinary person watching this show now cannot afford to buy a house, cannot afford to have a family. We can tax those revenues at the point of sale.
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Yeah, based on the profits. You look at how much profit they have.
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Go on. Listen, these guys are not Gandalf. You just say we don't accept profit shifting. We don't need to accept profit shifting. China does not accept profit shifting. We did not accept profit shifting 50 years ago. We do not have to accept profit shifting.
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But you have a government class who are extremely wealthy and a media class who are extremely wealthy saying it's impossible to tax rich people. And I would like to say, I will agree 100%. It is difficult to tax rich people. It is very, very, very difficult to tax rich people. I don't come here saying I want to tax rich people because it's easy. I know it's hard. I know probably I'm going to lose.
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I know our viewers' kids will live in desperate poverty. I know that. I do this because it is hard. If we are a country which says to ourselves, we don't try and do things which are necessary to keep our kids out of poverty because they are hard, then our kids will live in poverty. I don't need to be here. I'm a multimillionaire just like you. I could be in the Philippines drinking pina coladas.
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I come in here because I come from a poor background and it's ordinary families like my family, like the kids I grew up with, whose kids are going to be in poverty. It's difficult, but it is necessary. Sometimes we have to do things not because they're easy, but because they are hard. That is what makes a rich country rich. And that is what protects ordinary people.
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Listen, our grandparents lived in poverty. Did they say, let's not change it because it's hard? No, they didn't. They fought and they demanded healthcare, education, housing, food, and they got it. They got it. That's why my parents could live a good quality life. They got those things.
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And then at the beginning of 2011, everybody was predicting rates would definitely go up this year. And this, to me, was so interesting. So interesting because, you know, I studied maths and economics at one of the best economics universities in the world. And now I'm working with these traders who are getting paid millions of pounds a year to predict the economy, to predict the interest rates.
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They got those things and they were aware that in order to do that, you could not allow the super rich who have been living lives of luxury for hundreds and hundreds of years to eat everything while ordinary families couldn't afford to feed their kids. I know it's difficult. I know it's difficult. And I know I'm I know that.
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I know I'm probably going to lose and that means our viewers will be poor. But I do it anyway because I do not want this country that I grew up in to fall into desperate poverty.
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But their revenues can't. Their customers are where their customers are. Their customers are where their customers are. Listen, Amazon doesn't pay any UK tax, doesn't pay any US tax. Where are the customers? In the UK and the US.
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Jeff Bezos is a lot more than $10 million.
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You don't want people worth... £11 million to be paying water.
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Dan, you're worth more than £10 million. So if we tax people on... as Gary says, that have more than 10 million, what are your options to avoid? Say if your objective was to avoid that, what options do you have?
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And everybody predicted. is wrong year after year after year. And this was so amazing to me for a couple of reasons. First of all, it's like, wow, this is a big thing that we as a society should understand. And we're getting it wrong. But secondly, if all of the best guys in the world are getting this wrong, then if I can figure this out, I can make a ton of money here.
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Sorry, 1% on wealth above 10 million on 11 million is going to be 10 grand of taxes.
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I know these guys have the best accountants. I know it's difficult.
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If there was an easier solution, I would support that. You know what I mean?
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Okay, well, give them more economic freedom and then they'll be rich.
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So what you're saying is if the governments of our countries cut taxes on us, the three multimillionaires sitting at this table, that will improve the lives of... the ordinary British and American worker who can't afford to feed their kids.
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Yeah. I'm saying to reduce that. I'm saying to reduce tax on... I want your viewers, the viewers here, to be paying less tax whilst multimillionaires pay more tax.
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Okay, so let's get that $20 billion and cut the taxes for the viewers.
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And then you also bring it down to… This is what governments do. We make five or six… Yeah, and then… Do you know what they do? That's what they did in the Second World War and that's why my dad could afford a house. That's not why he could afford a house.
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Okay, well, if ordinary people are losing their houses and their wealth, which they are, and we're getting richer, who is it who is now owning the houses if it is not us? The government used to own the houses and then they sold… Government wealth is collapsing.
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So you think it's our viewers who have got my houses now? Where is the wealth going, Daniel? Where is the wealth going? Who has the wealth now? Who is getting richer? Who is getting the wealth that is lost by our viewers?
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Gary, how much money did you make for Citibank at the age of 24 years old?
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And you don't want their billionaire owners to pay more tax.
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Well, if you use that money to reduce tax on working people, then it would help.
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But it will help the American consumer. And then we can export the American consumer. And it will mean the American consumer has money. And then it will show British people how much you can achieve by taxing super rich.
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rich here and then what I want is these guys to be taxed so much that they start to sell assets and then ordinary rich people can buy assets again because what I want is our viewers to be able to own things to be able to own their own homes when I hear this I admittedly don't know as much about these issues as you guys do but when I hear that there's these seven tech companies in the US my brain goes can't we have one here yeah yeah
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That year, so that year, 2011, I put this big bet on that it would get worse forever. And I was Citibank's most profitable trader in the world that year. And I made them just over $35 million.
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Can't we start? And then so my brain goes, what conditions do we have to create? We sold one of our ones that we had.
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What conditions do we have to create to have one of those seven tech companies here, especially in this sort of AI world we're heading towards, where when I was reading through the stats, most of the investment in AI, which is going to be hugely destabilizing across every industry from driving to any form of knowledge work, even podcasting. I can play a podcast now.
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which sounds exactly like me, which has a 4.6 star rating on Apple, which was written by AI, in my voice, published by AI. Wow. And who's accruing the value there? Well, it's a company in America called Eleven Labs, and it's bloody open AI. And I go, why can't we have those companies here?
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Because China and the US are dominating this next revolution. And I worry as a bystander that if we don't create entrepreneurship friendly environments here, we are going to become India.
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If you want businesses to thrive, you don't need just a good environment for entrepreneurs. You also need people to have money that they can spend. And we are in a country where increasingly most of the people out there have almost nothing left over at the end of the month.
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They can barely pay the bills. Those companies are selling globally, right? So they don't need any particular company to do well. They sell to anywhere. So like OpenAI, ChatGPT, we're all using that bloody product and paying our $20, $30 a month.
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Yeah, where do they actually get their money from? They get their money from selling data to the rich, right?
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You made them $35 million. You eventually decide to leave Citibank. Yeah.
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My point was making the environment more friendly for entrepreneurs. Because when I start a company, I can't explain the disadvantage I'm at at the moment if I start that kind of company here. There's no investors. And then all the talent seems to flock over to San Francisco.
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So the British guys that built an AI company called Fixer, which I was going to invest in, all British lads from London, they went over to San Francisco. They're like 25-year-olds. They've just raised at a 60 million valuation. They're in this room. this building in San Francisco full of entrepreneurs, and they're pumping knowledge and capital into this room.
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With all due respect, Stephen, you're not a great example for the fact that it's impossible to start a successful online brand in the UK. Facts.
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Why? I mean, I think that's an interesting question, right? You know, in the sense that I'll just explain to you what happened, which is I made a ton of money by betting on the collapse of... Western society. I did it in 2011. I did it again in 2012. I would prefer for it not to collapse, Stephen. And I'm trying to stop it from collapsing.
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But I also realize I don't like using personal examples because there's a huge amount of privilege and... Okay, is there a chat GPT in Germany?
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No. Is there a chat GPT in France? No. Is there a chat GPT in Australia? No. Is there a chat GPT in China?
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What you have here is an extremely low labour, extremely high capital model, which employs extremely few people across the entire world that is focused in basically two cities.
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Yeah. Good luck competing with that. How do we create an environment where the UK can start to build some of these companies which are going to capitalise on this next technological revolution? If you were Prime Minister, what would you do?
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I think you need to look realistically about what companies do we have a chance of growing. You know, I'm not an expert in AI, but I think trying to compete with San Francisco and London would probably not work.
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Try and do it, you know, try and do it. And listen, I know that you can get a lot of likes saying, let's just invest in AI, let's just invest it. Only one city in the world outside of China has managed it. China has managed it by basically state capitalism. You know, this is very similar in a sense to what we had with microelectronics in Japan in the 80s, right?
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When you have a new industry, especially these industries which are very capital intense and don't employ many people, you get a first move advantage. They tend to win. Eventually, often they get undercut by cheaper rivals. And that does happen. You know, that does happen. And you might see that in AI. I don't think AI is going to become a massive, massive employer.
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Of course, you know, a lot of countries are going to be like, because basically it sounds good, we're going to invest in AI, we're going to invest in AI. Personally, I think we should be looking at what does the British person need? You know, we live in a country where the housing stock is falling apart.
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If we say AI, when we talk about AI, I think we're actually talking about technology. Because even a podcast like this, you don't think of this as an AI company. But actually now the editing process, the scripting process, the transcription process, even YouTube itself is an AI company. So it's really technology we're speaking about here.
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And I'm wondering why we can't create a better environment in the UK to start launching and building some of these technology companies. I think we should.
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And I think we should be looking at reducing taxes on people who work and make money. This is what I've been saying for the whole time.
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Yeah, we should reduce their taxes on the income that they make. But then if they start owning a £50 million company... Are you telling me, if you come to me and I say, all right, you want to start a company, we tax you very, very little on a company that you start. If that company becomes worth 20, 30, 40 million quid, then we're going to start taxing you.
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You're going to come and say to me, oh, no, sorry, 50 million is not enough for me.
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So can I ask a question on that? So my company was valued at 50, whatever, 100 millions. Congratulations. And I still had... Because I hadn't had an exit event, I still had £10,000, £20,000 in my bank account. Are you saying at the point when I sell the company, or are you saying just because I have shares in the company?
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I think you can structure it a number of ways. You can structure it a number of ways. My preferred way is to stop people from hoarding enormous amounts of wealth for enormous amounts of time. That's basically my preferred method. There's also the wealth tax method. There's also capital gains as a method. There's a lot of different ways here. There's a lot of different ways here.
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But you have to deal with the problem of if you do not tax very wealthy individuals and very wealthy families, their share of the pie will obviously grow over time and they will and they are, as we are watching, squeezing out ordinary families.
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You have to deal with that. My friend sold his company in the UK. It's a company everybody knows. And he, I remember him saying to me at the time, it was in the middle of a pandemic. He'd got this big exit event. I think he'd made 300 million. And he goes, I'm off. I go, where are you going? He goes, I'm going to go to Dubai and Monaco and live between the two.
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And I said to him, explain to me why. He goes, well, the amount of tax I'd have to pay in the UK is equivalent to me paying 20 million rent in the UK for the next six or seven years, which you'd have to stay here for. So he went and he pops back in every now and then. But it meant that he could keep that 150 million, whatever tax he would pay, never had to pay it to the UK.
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Do you think the reason the average British American are getting poorer is because they don't know how to create wealth?
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He's living this high-flying life now in Dubai, drops into Monaco every now and then. And I remember him saying to me, well, Steve, I'd have to pay 20 million rent a year to live here. And he went on to say, the UK product just isn't worth it. He goes, I'm going to get my Rolex robbed off me. He goes, the healthcare system isn't the best. The education system isn't necessarily the best.
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And the particular one was crime. which is I'll get mugged walking through London streets.
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Stephen, if you allow British people who own £300 million of British assets to technically live in Monaco and not pay tax, then you will get crime and you will have dirty streets and you will have a bad healthcare system and you will have education.
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Because if you give all of the wealth to a group of people who do not tax, there'll be nothing left to provide things like healthcare and education for ordinary people.
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When you say it collapsing, what exactly are you referring to that you don't want to collapse?
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So this guy who's 300 million, how much tax return has he paid in his life?
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I have no idea. I have no idea. His business was global, though. His biggest customer was the US.
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Because I pay 60%, and our viewers will pay 30%, 40%, 50%. Do you think it's fair that your 300 million guy pays his two or three?
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I have no idea what he pays.
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Well, it sounds like he didn't pay 50%.
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Well, he dashed before he got the tax bill. But why did we allow it?
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Why did we allow it? I'm not allowed to not pay my tax.
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But we're talking about... This is... I think we should stop obfuscating tax on people's work from tax on the assets that they own.
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So you were born in Botswana, right? Yeah. Do you still have family there?
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So if I earn a billion pounds of British houses, and then I say I live in Dubai, and I'm getting the rent on a billion pounds of houses, which would probably be something like... that's going to be something like £50 million a year. So I'm getting £50, £60 million a year of rent from British people.
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And that gets paid to me from British people.
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And I don't pay tax, I live in Dubai. Do you think that's fair?
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All right, so let's change that.
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I've got family in Nigeria, which is where my family are from. I was born in Botswana because we were visiting there, but I've got family in Africa. Do you go to Nigeria much? No. I've got a home in Cape Town in South Africa, so I see that it's a great place if you want to see inequality. I think there is...
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I've got three kids. You are a multimillionaire dad.
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60%.
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Do you know what's interesting? We're all trying to aim at the same goal, I think, here. I'm not sure we are, boss. That's fair. That's fair.
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Maybe we're not. I suspect some of us are maybe trying to protect our kids' wealth position.
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So you agree with me that we should cut tax on wealth creators and raise tax on wealth hoarders?
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Okay, so let's do it.
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Let's cut tax on people who are working hard, creating a good product, making a good income, and let's raise tax on people who are sitting there on 20, 30, 40, 100, 200, 500 million pounds of assets that they're going to give to their kids and they're going to use to dominate society and squeeze out the middle class.
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wife's dad owns a tech company.
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Which he will inherit and his kids will inherit.
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Yeah, but that company already exists. Yeah. It's created now.
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So you think that if Rishi Sunak's father-in-law stopped managing the company, it would be valueless?
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Steve Jobs died, okay? Is Apple valueless? No. Let's not pretend that these creators are the sole reason these companies are valuable. Sure. And what we're talking about here in many cases… You know, I was a trader, okay? And I'm worth millions of quid. And, you know, now that is just assets. I just own the assets. I own the assets.
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A naivety in this country, in places like the US, that the kind of inequality, the kind of broad poverty that you see in places like South Africa, in places like Nigeria, in places like India, can't happen here. It will happen here. That is the future of this country. That is the future of the US. And I'm not just saying that. I'm betting on it.
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And that will grow and it will grow and it will grow and it will grow. And that will squeeze out and squeeze out and squeeze out and squeeze out our viewers. And I'll give that to my kids. They don't even need to work. They wouldn't even have to work. I could live off the wealth. Is that what you want?
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I think the reality is for kids from poor backgrounds it is almost impossible to... to realistically get even financial security, never mind wealth.
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Well, the first thing is I'm 38 now, so I'm not a kid nowadays. Listen, I won every maths competition I've ever been in, you know what I mean, since I was a little kid. I didn't even have a desk in my house, you know. I was one of the top students at LSE. And I still had to win my job by cheating in a card game. You know, that's the world that we live in.
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I don't think that's a very replicable strategy. And it's very easy for people like us who've made money to say, oh, we did it, aren't we great? Go out and, you know, you've said that you think if young people go and work in tech business, they can get financial security. If it was that easy, they'd all be doing it. You know, they're not idiots. Our viewers are not idiots. They're trying.
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They're trying. They want to find the good opportunities and they work... Listen, I speak... They're working so hard.
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Poor backgrounds. So then why are our viewers, you think all of our viewers, if it was that easy, why is everybody not doing it?
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So I guess we've sorted it then. All of our viewers need to do is go and buy Dan's book. become an entrepreneur and become a millionaire. It's that easy. Why weren't you guys doing it to begin with? They're idiots. The viewers are idiots. They should be just being more entrepreneurial. It's as simple as that. More entrepreneurial, start a business. Listen, I come from East London, okay?
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My friends can't feed their kids, okay? And if it was as simple as going out and being an entrepreneur, I can bet you they would do it. I can bet you they would do it. I'm sick of multimillionaires telling kids who can't afford to turn the heating on, you just need to be more entrepreneurial. It's sick, Dan. It's sick. This gives people mental illness. It gives...
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people mental illness tell them the truth okay we your older generation we took the opportunities and now it's almost impossible to get out of poverty and don't just don't just stand up then wave you know your millions of pounds in front of them and say if you're entrepreneurial like me you could do it you could have it because it's sick because they can't they can't feed their kids then they can't turn the heating on don't tell them to be more entrepreneurial fix the system that drives more and more and more of them into poverty every generation
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And I've been betting on it for 15 years, and I've been right for 15 years. That is what I'm trying to avoid.
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Daniel, where do you come from?
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I never told people don't work hard. I never once said that. Never once said that.
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Which is true in 99.9% of cases. I've never told people don't work hard.
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I've never told people don't work hard, okay? And listen, if you think that Ugandans should be more entrepreneurial, I've never been to Uganda, maybe that's the problem out there. Maybe that's the problem in Nigeria. Maybe that's the problem in India. Listen, I've never said don't work hard, okay?
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When I brought my book out last year, the hardback, I was at some event and I come out, I was drinking in London Bridge. And I come out late. It was like 1 a.m. And some guy come up to me when I was unlocking my bike. Some guy from Newcastle, which is the northeast of England. It's this quite poor town. There's a lot of working class people there. And he said, I've been watching you on YouTube.
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And I love your stuff. And this guy started crying. This guy started crying on the street, right, in front of me. He's like, I work so hard, Gary. I work two jobs. My mum's sick and I'm trying to help. I'm trying to support and I don't understand why. And I'm sorry that I'm crying, but nobody ever told me that it wasn't my fault before. That's what he said to me, okay? And listen, listen.
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I believe 100% aspiration, ambition, entrepreneurial spirit. I would never see a kid that has that and say, turn it off, okay? But the flip side of your, if you just work hard enough, you can make it, is if you didn't make it, it's because you didn't work hard enough and it's your fault.
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And I would like you to sit and think very hard before you send that message to young men and young women in our society.
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They need to work for you?
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This is the moment where AI superpower meets human talent. I want to take this back to a point you were talking about earlier, which is about personal agency. Because I would like you, Daniel, to give the counter to your own argument. Because I want to make sure, when we're talking about solutions to this problem, start a business, be entrepreneurial. You can also understand how that might...
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That works for people with our brains and our mindset and whatever we had that made us do that, our risk appetite, our trauma, whatever it might be. But not everybody is wired in such a way. So that's not necessarily the best solution for everyone. And also we sit here with a bit of hindsight bias where we were lucky and it worked out for us.
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But when you look at the stats around businesses succeeding, well, you know the stats. It's like 90% of businesses fail. So most of them are failing. The ones that emerge from that, people like me, then we have a bias where we go, well, it worked for us and you can do it too. I don't come from money, so I have the same bias like I watched.
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As we sit here today, can you give me the overview of your business success since then?
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And when we say start from nothing, you actually started with a wealth of information. And the whole game in building a business – intellectual capital, having been through it before, being around that mentor that gave you the information.
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So this can't be broadly applicable advice, can it?
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Even that is a consequence of...
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So that, again, is we need this one. That's advice for the people that end up getting into that 1%. But who does everyone else work for? Like all jobs growth comes from entrepreneurs.
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So you're encouraging the entrepreneurial... You're not encouraging everyone to become an entrepreneur.
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I think it doesn't work. It doesn't work. Listen, the last 70 years are not normal, Stephen. The last 70 years are not normal. The last 70 years in Europe and the US where ordinary people like my dad could work for the post office on less than average wage and buy a house and support family, it's not normal. It's not normal in the world and it's not normal in history.
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Most countries in the world are not like that. Most countries have a small super-rich elite and a very large group of extremely poor people. That's most of the country, and it's most of history in this country, and it's most of history in the US. You know, we talk about Charles Dickens. I read Hard Times.
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I read Hard Times, and this is written in the 19th century when Britain was like the industrial superpower of the whole world. And at the time, the government was talking about should we tax these industrialists? And the industrialists were saying, if you tax us, we'll throw our factories into the sea. And it just reminds me, you know...
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The only time we've ever really been able to provide decent living conditions for ordinary working people was the period after the war where we massively redistributed wealth. And now we're losing that holding of wealth of the middle class.
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Can you acknowledge though that that was a completely different time?
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And when you think about the UK and broadly the Western world today, what is your assessment of where we're at as a country and what's concerning you? Because Gary expressed quite articulately that his big concern is that because of wealth inequality, we're going to end up in a similar position to the likes of India. What are you concerned about?
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As it relates to being able to... It was a different time, but you know, I could, you know... Because of technology. Nigeria today, Brazil today, the UK 300 years ago, France 200 years ago. There is only one specific time that we have ever successfully provided broad living standards for ordinary people.
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And it was a period of time where we protected a broadly equal wealth distribution and taxed the rich at very high rates.
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And you can acknowledge that that's extremely hard to do because the nature of the economy is now different.
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That's the reason why all of our grandparents and our great-grandparents and our great-great-grandparents lived in poverty. And that's why I know I'm probably going to lose. And that's why I bet on the economy getting worse. And that's why I know poverty is going to increase. Because it was extremely difficult to get that unusually fair share for ordinary working people.
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And I know we're losing the argument. And I know that Farage will win. And I know that Trump will win. And I know that things will get worse.
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I don't think I'm going to win. So if you know you're promoting a strategy that is not going to work and it sounds like you think is incredibly, almost impossible, then why would you not be more practical in your solution?
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Stephen, if it was impossible, I wouldn't be here.
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So you think it's possible?
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Of course it's possible. Of course it's possible. But you believe you're not going to win? I'm a betting man, Steve. I'm a betting man. I put my bets on, you know, I am. So my YouTube channel is growing really, really quickly. And, you know, I'm obviously starting a bit of a movement and there's a lot of political support. And if it keeps growing, we'll get more political support.
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At the end of the day, I'm trying to tax the richest and most powerful people in the world. And most of these people will come out and attack me and they'll try and stop me. And I do not have billions of pounds, hundreds of millions of pounds to use to support my YouTube channel. I'm counting on ordinary people like your viewers to support and share my message.
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Now, listen, for most of history, that has not worked. And for most of history, ordinary families live in poverty. I don't think it's impossible that we ordinary people can win and get a fair share. But I think it's worth fighting for, Steve. So I fight for it anyway.
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I've been to Dubai, yeah, a few years going up.
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I just want to be clear. I've always campaigned for lower taxes on working people. On working people. Always, always.
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I would have written this book for free then. I would have written this book for free. In fact, the first time I got offered a deal, I said don't pay me in advance. Then give your royalties away. Why?
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I walk away from a £2 million job a year to run a YouTube channel. Do you think I do the work that I do for money?
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I think the rich world is going to have to start rethinking the fact that it allows entrepreneurs
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people to very very wealthy people to own enormous amounts of their physical wealth go live overseas and not pay tax i think that has to be revisited for sure because what you're saying is i want the benefit of being able to sell to the us market and the uk market but i don't want the obligation of having to pay us and uk taxes and you are correct that at the moment the us and uk governments allow that and i think that's phenomenal taxes you're on worldwide income
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Well, only a small amount, right? So I think that realistically, I think that the US and UK governments have to stop that. But the way I see it, the US and UK governments and increasingly a lot of global governments are kind of being brought up by the elites. You know, we have Elon Musk is basically the president, right?
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And we had Rishi Sunak, whose father-in-law was one of the richest men in the world. Like, if you're Rishi Sunak, who, for our American viewers, was our prime minister until very recently. His father-in-law is one of the richest men in the world. He's got £700 million personal wealth. He's going to be making £30, £40 million passive income. And you're getting paid £130,000 to be prime minister.
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Living standards are falling because of growing wealth inequality. If you allow the rich to get richer, they squeeze the middle class and the poor class out of things like housing. Let's cut tax on people who are working hard and let's raise tax on the richest and most powerful people in the world.
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When you're making policy, do you think, maybe I'll ask my father-in-law what it was? The fact is, what you're seeing here is if you allow the rich – I'm never, ever against entrepreneurship. I'm not against people getting rich.
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If you allow the rich to get richer and richer and richer, they squeeze the middle class and they squeeze the poor class out of things like housing, of things like space and cities, of things like energy, and of things like owning and sharing government and owning and sharing the media.
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What, like this country in the 60s?
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The US had even higher taxes than us.
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It's the period of time when... Which period? This period now.
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You don't care about the middle class?
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Well, living standards collapsed after the houses were sold. There was a long period where the houses weren't sold. Between the Second World War and the 80s, the houses weren't being sold.
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Well, I think there's a few obviously big moments. I think 2008 is a big moment. I think COVID is a big moment. I think it's the 80s where you start to see the wealth distribution go. What matters is actually the distribution itself. So once you change the tax system, it takes a bit of time for the wealth distribution to change.
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But once you start, for me, the big thing is the loss of wealth holding. I want ordinary families to be able to hold wealth. And once you lose that, you lose the middle class. And you will not find me a single country in the world now or the history of the world that has provided good broad living standards without allowing ordinary families to own assets.
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Which is a massive government, by the way.
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So you don't think the Singaporean government owns a large share of the housing stock?
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I would like to say, by the way, just to be really clear, I've never, ever once advocated for big government. Never a single time. But more taxes is bigger government. I want higher taxes on the wealth holders so we can tax wealth creators and working people less. I don't want a bigger government. I want our viewers to have more money. I want our viewers to have more money.
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And also, I want to tax those super rich so that they stop squeezing ordinary families out of asset ownership. It just...
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I am the only person on this table anti-redistribution because the redistribution is happening in front of our eyes. The middle class is losing its assets. Government is losing its assets. Those assets are being accumulated by the rich. I want to stop the redistribution. Please, please. I am the most anti-redistribution person in this game.
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We need to stop the redistribution of wealth away from ordinary British and American families.
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Dan, freedom for the heron is death for the fishes. If we have complete freedom, multimillionaires like you and me will get richer and richer and richer every year and we will squeeze out and we will eat the middle class.
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Obviously not. The whole reason I do this is because I don't want ordinary people to collapse into poverty.
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The problem is collapsing living standards. I am somebody who has made millions of pounds by understanding the simple fact that living standards are falling because of growing wealth inequality.
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I think you do need to be worried about extremely wealthy elites. Yeah, I think what's interesting, you look at the founding of the United States. These guys, the founding of the United States conceptually is really based on these ideas of distribution of power. That's why you have the president and the House and the Senate and you have this independent judiciary. They're like, we cannot allow...
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power to become concentrated because they came from a Europe which had extremely concentrated power and extremely wealthy elites and extremely broad poverty. So I think that allowing a small group of society to increasingly monopolise power and wealth over time is obviously something we should be worried about.
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But primarily, the reason that I worry about wealth inequality is because I see and I bet on and I make money on the fact that it causes living standards to fall.
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I never said cap anyone at $10 million, by the way.
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He said to me, our viewers, if they knew they could build a 20, 30 million pound company.
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But they knew they would have to pay 20. If you're worth 30 million, 1% above is 200 grand a year. So if I said, you can have a 30 million pound company. Just bear in mind, you make 5% a year on your wealth. So if you've got a 300 million pound company, you're going to be making 15 million pounds a year.
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And I'm turning to you and I'm going to say, you've got to pay 200 grand a year on your 15 million pound revenue. And they're going to say, you know what? I'm not going to start a business. I don't want to be worth 30 million quid. You know this is ridiculous.
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You know nobody is going to say, oh, my God, I don't want to be a multi-multi-millionaire because in 20 years' time I'll have to pay 1% taxes.
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I'm not trying to make the UK anti-wealth. I'm not trying to make the UK anti-wealth. I think the UK and the US need to be looking at a situation where you cannot allow people who own enormous businesses that sell to your country to live in Dubai, to live in the Cayman Islands and not pay tax. And I don't think that's a controversial position.
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I've got a question for both of you, which is if you are a young person and you're 18 years old now and that you're listening to this, but your objective really is an individualistic one. You want to get rich and you have a great future for you and your family, like all of us have been able to do. What would your advice be to them, Gary, at this moment in time?
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This is such a hard question. I know Dan's angry at me for what I put in my video, how to get rich. Somebody came round to my house and asked me this the other day. Obviously, I get asked it a lot because... Stupidly, I'm very public about the fact that I'm rich. What I did is not replicable. What I did is not replicable. It's not. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but it's not.
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People always say, why don't you teach me to trade? Like, it's hard. It's hard trading and it's dangerous. And I think a lot of young men are getting sort of sold into trading and becoming gambling addicts. You know, work hard. And I wouldn't even say don't become an entrepreneur. I've never, ever said these things. Work hard.
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You know, if you think that you have an opportunity in tech entrepreneurship, go for it. Understand it's risky. I think that sometimes this message, just become an entrepreneur and you'll make it, is a bit dangerous because I think most people who try to become entrepreneurs fail. And I think it's super, super dangerous.
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The reality is, and you know, maybe Dan won't like this, maybe you won't like this. I think it is very, very difficult for a young man or a young woman from a poor family to to become rich. And I think it's increasingly hard even to just get those basics of financial security. So listen, obviously reduce your spending if you can. Don't buy into this like Balenciaga bullshit. Stay away from that.
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But... work hard, study hard, try to get a good job, but also understand we are shrinking the seats on the lifeboat. That's what we're doing. We used to allow 50% to be secure. Then it's 40%. Then it's 30%. Then it's 20%. You know, you've got family in Nigeria. If a young person from, like, Shantytown in Nigeria came to you and said, Stephen, what can I do to get rich?
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You would have to say to them realistically, listen, you are in a difficult situation here. You need to work really, really hard. But if you are able to make enough money to support a family, be proud of yourself.
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What I would actually say to them, so yeah, I have got family in Nigeria. For people that don't know, I'm by blood half Nigerian. I would say to them that knowledge is really your life raft. So obviously there's a big tech boom happening in Nigeria, which is liberating a lot of people from that situation.
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So I would try and tell them to get on the life raft that is like knowledge of this new revolution. So from Nigeria, you can learn to code. And then the great thing now is that we literally have, actually, this is quite interesting. We're building a tech company in San Francisco called Flightcast. It's live. Everyone can go look at it, flightcast.com.
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And the lead developer, oh, and Guess Radar, the lead developer of Guess Radar is a Nigerian guy.
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But how many of those jobs in the Nigerian tech sector are going to kids that grew up in the shanty towns? I have no idea. Because I worked in... People ask me, tell me how to do what you did. I worked in Canary Wharf. It's in East London. I could see the building from my house growing up. There was not a single other kid from East London the whole time I was there.
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Do you know, to Dan's point about this remote work revolution where work now has... You can work from anywhere. And in our company, Third Web, San Francisco, some of the staff that we now have are in the Philippines because they just have great creatives there. It's obviously more cost-effective.
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Isn't this a huge part of what's going on in our economy, this digitalisation and this remotification of work?
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It is, it is, it is. But I think for many people, you know, I'm sure you pay your workers in the Philippines very, very well. Most of these people, they used to have a half-decent wage on office and now they're locked in their bedrooms, barely paying the bills.
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In the Philippines? Not in the Philippines. The Philippine guys are balling out of control.
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No, I'm saying the Philippines is booming at the moment. So you think the average person in the Philippines is living a luxurious life? What's happening at the moment… Do you think the average person in the Philippines is living a luxurious life?
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So the kids move to the Philippines then? It's great. You get a great quality of life in the Philippines. When I look to the slums of Manila, they should just get jobs. I don't know why they're not getting their laptops out. The poverty in the Philippines is horrific. Listen, Philippines is a beautiful country, an amazing country. I love the Philippines.
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But what is the life like for your average Filipino?
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Money is flowing in, but it is not giving a good quality of life for your average Filipino.
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We can have a look at it. I don't know what the average wage is in the Philippines.
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Just to bring it back to this point, though, so I wanted to know from Gary, he said work hard if you're a young guy listening to this now. I was reading this really interesting article yesterday from the, I think it was from
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major newspaper talking about the lost boys and it goes to show that I think it's one in seven young men that is at a working age now are out of work so there's lots of talk around young men in particular and how they're struggling you'd say work hard Gary you'd say work hard no Balenciaga but the big thing is the big thing is recognise the situation that you're in and I would encourage them
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to support my work and follow my channel because the lifeboats are shrinking. And trust me, we're going to get our kids in the lifeboats. We all know that, all right? And if those lifeboats are shrinking, if you don't stop the ship from going down, it is not you and you and me who are going to go down. We'll be fine.
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If you don't fight the political fight, I guarantee you, people like Daniel will.
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So you're saying that they should also get involved in the political fight? You have to. You have to. That's what our grandparents did. And if they want to become millionaires like you and me and Dan... Well, it sounds like Dan's got better advice for that than I do. OK, well, I'm going to ask Dan as well, but I'm just wondering... I'm wondering how your advice ties into sort of like...
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The young person who's trying to liberate themselves from where you came from or where I came from.
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You know, I don't think I'm the guy to say that, man, because, you know, I had this unusual gift from a young age. I was very, very, very good at maths and I just followed that. And, you know, I... You know, my sister, she's a poet and she wrote a really successful grime and musical about Dizzy Rascal's first album. All right. She comes from obviously the same family as me. Poor family.
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She works so hard. She works so, so hard. Two degrees. She can barely pay the rent. All right. So I don't want to turn around to our young kids and say, well, I've got this talent. Follow your talent. Because it doesn't work, Stephen. It doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah.
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wait my sitter does great work but financially for young people following your passion following your talent unless you come from rich family realistically very very rarely works and I know it worked for the three of us at this table but let's not pretend that everyone experiences the same things that we experienced what would you say to that Dan and what's your answer
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Could I just say one thing back on that? If we become a society of individuals who think only individually and never consider broader societal problems, we will become a society that becomes unable to fix societal problems. I'm somebody who has made millions of pounds betting on the collapse of society, the collapse of the middle class. I don't want to be giving stock tips on the Titanic, OK?
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I understand. I understand that we live in individualised societies and it's not popular to say, hey, you need to protect your society. If you don't protect your society, your society is going to collapse and the British public, the American public, have a choice to make here.
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I want them to get involved with, watch my channel, subscribe to my channel.
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On YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, share it with your friends, share it with your mum. But then what? But then what? And then push for change. Push for change like our grandparents did. Push the politicians to tax working people less and tax extremely wealthy wealth hoarders more. So vote for the Greens. Vote for whoever gives you that, whoever gives you your share of the pie.
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This is not football, OK? I'm not here, Gary Stevenson, member of the Green Party. I'm here to protect the working class.
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So that's their sort of... That would be their social and sort of political energy, would be to stand up and fight. But in their personal lives, are you telling them to start businesses, take big risks, work really hard, go for it, because they can also make...
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I'll defer to you guys on that. You know, I'm not a businessman. I'm an economist. That's what I am. You know, I made my money by being an economist. I'm a very, very good economist. My predictions will be right. People can go and watch my predictions at the beginning of COVID. I predicted the entire COVID crisis exactly correctly in May 2020. You know, this is, you know, I'm good at this.
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And listen, I'm never going to come here and say I'm a better businessman than you. I'm pretty sure that I'm not. I'm a very, very, very good economist.
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100%, 100%. Because you know, and I'm sure you know, if you're average British or American, if you don't do that, you're not going to be able to turn the heating on. You have to do it. You have to do it. And I've never once, and I think my opinions are often mischaracterised as being anti-ambition. You've read my book. Do you think I'm anti-ambition? No.
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I work my tits off to make money, and I want every single young person in this country to be able to make money if they want to, if that's what they want to work towards. But we've created a society where it's almost impossible for young... Listen, I've been there. I've been at LSE. I've been at Oxford. I've been in the city. I've been in the media. I've been in politics.
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All of the guys at the top are a bunch of rich idiots. We are not allowing these smart kids from ordinary backgrounds to get into those spaces. Why do we pretend we're not doing that?
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Do you think that starting a business... is a realistic high success probability chance of ordinary poor people becoming rich.
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Is that a thing that our viewers can do and most of them will end up rich?
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There's a really interesting stat that says globally around 65% of ultra high net worth individuals are self-made. Approximately 19% primarily inherited their wealth and about 16% inherited wealth, but significantly grew it through their own ventures. So 65% of the ultra high net worth individuals globally are self-made.
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Does that not mean that if I want to become an ultra high net worth person, it's going to come down to...
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Listen, we are just come off the back of the golden age of capitalism when ordinary people like my dad, you know, I grew up in Ilford. It's in East London. It's a very immigrant area. Most of my friends I grew up with come from Pakistani Indian immigrant backgrounds. They came over with nothing. They worked really hard. They made money. They had their own assets.
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We had a period where ordinary people could make money and could make wealth. So obviously we are now in a period where there are rich people who made money during that period. But it's over now.
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Okay, so you're telling us they're idiots. Why are they not making money? I'm not telling anyone they're an idiot. I'm saying... If it's that easy, okay, all right, fine. Go and buy Dan's book, read it and become a millionaire because Dan thinks it's easy to become a millionaire by being an entrepreneur.
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But I suspect, having not been an entrepreneur, that most of the people who've read your book are not millionaires.
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If you think you can teach, you've got your book.
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I wonder if we do have a bit of an education problem at the heart of this. Because I was thinking about your sister. And I was like, right, if I was the CEO of Gary's sister, what would I do? There's two things I'd do right now. The first is, I go, what marketplace is really valuing an ability to write and write in an impactful way? I go, right, she needs to start an Instagram page.
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Because I've seen what happened with Jay Shea. This guy's pulling in tens of millions a year because he took like, you know, nice words that were motivational, poetic, put them on there. And I go, also, YouTube, needs to get to YouTube. Because if she can talk like you, then she's going to do exceptionally well on YouTube as well. But the old...
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There's not going to be a great economy necessarily for someone who's doing poetry in many of the places other than what I'm saying is the internet. But in school, we don't teach this. There's no YouTube class for YouTube. And it's such a huge part of the economy. I mean, you and me have seen that. There's been this decentralization of media where the megaphone was owned.
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The megaphone was owned.
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People watching, start a YouTube, become an entrepreneur.
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But it's the internet, isn't it? It's easy. I'm not saying it's easy. Do you think it works for most people, Stephen? For most people, no. It doesn't work. It doesn't work.
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Why are we pretending it does?
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But what I would say is if in school we taught young kids a couple of new things and we stopped teaching them about Pythagoras' theorem, which, by the way, ChatGPT is going to do for you with your eyes closed, and we taught them about the new economy of the internet, about the ability to start a shop. I...
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It's crazy that the school system was designed in such a way where they put me in an exclusion unit because I was so preoccupied with doing business deals at school. And my headmaster came on national TV on What I Like You and said, yeah, we unexpelled him eventually because he made the school so much money.
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But the system was punishing me for entrepreneurship and it wasn't teaching me anything about the new economy, which is technology.
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Steve, do you think it matters if the percentage of young people who are able to achieve financial freedom and have a family is shrinking?
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So do I think it matters if the percentage of young people that are able to... Are you saying attain wealth and have a family?
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Yeah, achieve financial freedom and have a family.
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I think that's a really big problem. I think that's a really big problem.
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I know, listen, and I know you've got this podcast and I know you inspire young people and I think that's a good thing. I think it's a good thing that you inspire young people to go out and work hard and try and achieve something. But I'm an economist and what I see is the percentage of young people who make it shrinking.
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And I think if you combine those two things, you reach a really dangerous place because we go and tell the young people, it's there for you to start a business. And at the same time, the number of people who make it is 10%. 5%, 2%, 1%. And there will always be that one person who makes it. There will always be that Stephen Bartlett in every country in the world who's making it through.
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You know what I'm saying? But the systematic issue matters, Stephen.
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Can we not change the education system so that when I was 16 and they threw me in the exclusion unit, which could so easily have made me think that I was a failure, because my brothers, Jason went to LSE and became very much like you and now works in my company. managing my investments. He, in the education system, was rewarded.
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So I sat there as a kid thinking, rich and successful, my older brother Jason, because he can do maths. And I thought, I'm going to be a failure because I like this thing called entrepreneurship and I have ADHD, so I can't pay attention in lessons.
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What I'm saying is if the education system was designed in such a way where people like me who are entrepreneurial, who are interested in the internet and couldn't stop playing video games were clapped for and said, oh my God, double down on that. I think...
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the net benefit, when you think about what the backbone of the economy is, which is entrepreneurs starting businesses, would be profound for this country here. But I think that I believe there needs to be such a radical overhaul of our education system if we want to stand a chance of capitalising on what the economy is today.
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Yeah, I think... I think you could probably change the education system in a lot of ways that could improve it. But you're kind of changing the education system on the Titanic.
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What my perspective is, I can tell you with a very, very high rate of certainty, if you don't fix this problem of the wealth being sucked out of the middle class, 95, 98% of people will be in poverty in this country in 70 years.
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And who do they blame?
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I agree with you. This is the thing. I agree that you can't have a group of people at the very top that own all the assets and all the money, or else, I mean, it's going to come from somewhere. And I remember the day that I printed off the JobSeeker's Allowance form when I was stealing Chicago Town pizzas 10 years ago in my room in Moss Side in Manchester.
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I remember what it feels like to not have my parents speaking to me, to have all these CCJ letters and bailiff letters on my desk, and really... have no answer on how to get out of the situation to the point that I was like shoplifting. I'd call the Just Eat driver and then try and persuade him just to give me the food. That was 10 years ago for me. So I've not forgotten those years of my life.
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So I understand what it is to be in that situation. And on an individual level, I need some answers because I'm not going to wait for these people in the parliament to fix my life for me. So I need some individual answers. And then I do also care about the bigger picture. So I'm not like here as someone that just wants to accrue loads of wealth myself. Of course, listen, let's be honest.
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There's not many human beings that wouldn't like more money. So I try and acknowledge that bias. But the big issue I have is... is how.
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And from my personal experience, as someone that now employs hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people here in London, up in Manchester, in our offices, there are a set of things that would make me leave this country if it became increasingly less friendly to entrepreneurs. I reckon if we come back here in five years' time, I reckon I'll employ 500 more people in the UK.
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And actually, as you look around this room, you can see the age of them. These are young people. There are things you could do to make me not do that.
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I mean, it's probably worth pointing out that we're not taxing wealth and you're leaving the country anyway, Stephen.
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No, I haven't left the country.
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Okay, you're going to stay.
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No, I'm a tax resident here. I pay my taxes here. And I have zero intent in changing that. I'm also on track, you know, so we're investing a lot of money in UK businesses.
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But listen... I want to tax only high levels of wealth. Only high levels of wealth. And listen, don't get me wrong, I understand very rich people will complain and very rich people will say, just like they did in Dickens, I'm going to throw my businesses, I'm going to throw my taxes, my businesses and my factories into the sea. Stephen, your viewers are here.
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Listen, Stephen, your viewers are here. You are a very wealthy person. They are paying 20, 30, 40, 50%. You should be paying your fair share, Stephen. You should.
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I think that I should pay... more tax, especially when I don't think my kids should benefit from my wealth. And maybe this is a controversial opinion, but I actually don't. I don't think I should be able to pass down my assets to my children.
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can't it's 40% tax I think it should be more let's not pretend rich people don't successfully pass their assets to their children I'm just telling you now I think I'd be robbing my children of something from the background that I came from if my child gets fucking if my child gets tens of millions let's say even when I die I don't think that should happen
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I agree. When I talk about my sister, people are like, why don't you just give your sister a load of money? Listen, my sister works hard. She's a smart person. She works hard. She produces good work. I wouldn't live in a society where people like my sister are able to support themselves with the work that they do, but we're destroying that society.
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The customers. So you want her to start a business? She is a business. Yeah. Yeah, and I want people like her to be taxed less so that what I want is ordinary working people to be taxed less so they have more money in their pocket.
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Listen, the reason we had the thriving art scene in the 60s is because we had a thriving middle class that could go and buy the new fashions and buy the new records and then that created this thriving art scene. Now we have a middle class which is struggling to pay the bills so they can't buy stuff. You know, my sister makes theatre shows. The only people who go to the theatre are rich people now.
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But back in the day, you know, theatre was something that was more accessible. You want the arts, I've got a mate who's a fashion designer, right? Nowadays, all of the business is super fast, super cheap, super disposable fashion or unbelievably expensive high end because that's the economy we've created.
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You go to Japan, which is a less unequal society, the restaurants are good quality restaurants for ordinary people because a good capitalist society will produce things for the people with money. In the case of theatre...
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Where have the theatre consumers moved to? Where are they getting their entertainment now?
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Well, what you have is a very rich group of people who will still go to theatre and they will pay a lot. But then you have a large group of people who are relatively cash scarce and they will try to get their entertainment in cheaper ways. Of course, you know what I mean?
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They're spending their time watching your YouTube channel.
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Well, exactly, my YouTube channel, which is free, by the way.
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Yeah, but you get paid from it.
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To be honest, it's only in the last couple of months that I've started to make any money because I don't do my own editing. So, I mean, you'll know in the first few years you're paying yourself to do it.
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I think people sometimes massively overestimate the amount of money.
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Just 10 million pounds is quite a lot of money. So, you know, you can be worth 9 million pounds and not be paying anything more.
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I want to create a situation where the UK consumer is so strong that you have to invest in the UK. You don't have to be here to sell to them.
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So do we all agree on this premise, though, that Gary's saying, which is the ultra-rich, which we can classify as being worth more than you're saying... We say £10 million is the line that we campaign for. OK, we think that they should pay a greater share of the tax. And if you agree with that premise, the question then becomes... Yes, but how?
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I want to be clear. That's the top 1% of taxpayers, which is not the top 1% of richest people.
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But isn't it?
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You honestly think that the entire housing stock of the UK is not valuable?
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Personally, I think that that house ownership, especially when you consider mortgages, is relatively unequally distributed. That is, by the way, the most equally distributed. Young people have now had... The commercial property, the land, the natural resources.
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What is the distribution of pensions? What percentage of pensions is owned by the top 1%?
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In the 20th century, we had two world wars and a holocaust. That redistributed wealth. I would prefer not to have that again.
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So where's the wealth going to come from?
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When was the last time you had a government that wasn't, let's grow, let's grow, let's grow?
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Our viewers should keep a close eye on Donald Trump and Elon Musk because they're doing what you're asking. It'll be interesting to see what happens, right? It's too soon to tell.
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If you were trying to grow the UK economy, would you not take America's approach? Because they seem to be much more successful at growing their economy.
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I think, I mean, of course, when we talk about slashing of the state, they're going to use these examples like, oh, there's this wasteful government building. Everybody wants to slash government waste, of course. I'm not going to fight against slashing government waste. I'm from the UK, you know, I saw the austerity years. I've seen what's happened to local services.
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I've seen what's happened to things like the police, like education, you know, especially things like youth services. You slash the state, you fire a load of people, you know, If you can get rid of state corruption, yes, 100%. If you can get rid of state waste, 100%. This is how single mums feed their kids, Stephen. You want to stop that?
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Slashing the state... I don't think it's going to work. To be honest, I think tariffs is not an uninteresting discussion. I think, yeah, of course, tax avoidance is something you need to get rid of. Really, I would like to take a step back, look at the country and say, what is the state of the country? What do people need?
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We have a country here where the housing stock is falling apart and we're letting it fall apart because those houses are owned by ordinary people who don't have any money. If you want the country to work for ordinary people, you need ordinary people to have money. I'm always reminded of Mr Beast.
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If we are a country that don't try and do things which are necessary because they are hard, then our kids will live in poverty. What do you want people to do? There's a lot of different ways. Buckle up.
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He goes to places in Africa and he spends 500 quid and he gives the kid eyesight who would have been blind for the rest of their life. for 500 quid. Why are kids in Africa blind who could be given sight for 500 quid? Because they don't have any money. This is what happens when you drain your middle class. This will end up like that. I've got a friend who went to India last week.
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He said there were people lying on the street outside with rotting limbs. That is what happens when you disempower, when you take the money away from the middle class. You've got to protect the middle class. If the middle class had money, then there would be unbelievable business opportunities for selling goods and services like your business to the middle class.
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So would you tax Daniel more?
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I don't know if Daniel's worth more than £10 million. It sounds like he is. He is. I mean, I think... I want to make it clear, right? You make 5% on your wealth. So if Daniel's worth £100 million, he's making £5 million. We're only trying to tax you 1%. I think if you are worth £100 million, you're making £5 million passive income, you can afford to pay a million pound tax a year.
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You're going to still keep getting rich. The truth is, even if we were to tax these billionaires 1% a year, they would still squeeze the rest out. This is not... This is not about morality. This is just cold, hard economic analysis that I have made a lot of money betting on.
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So closing arguments then, chaps. I'll start with you, Gary. Based on everything we've discussed today, what is... I'm going to ask you to give me two perspectives, which is if I'm a young individual in this country right now, what should I do to protect myself and my family and to feed my family? What kind of behaviours, what strategy should I adopt there?
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But also then from a government level, I know we have some politicians that listen because they message me. What should politicians be doing to fix the issue that we're all clearly identifying, which is the collapse of the middle class, the collapse of sort of working class people and the increased wealth of the rich?
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I think... What I would like young people to understand is that this gets worse. This gets much, much worse. It will get much worse relatively quickly. Poverty will increase relatively quickly. It will become increasingly difficult, almost impossible to make any serious money. Prepare yourself for that.
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Prepare yourself when you consider your finances, when you consider your plans for having a family. This gets worse and it's going to be really, really hard. It's going to be a big mental health problem for a lot of young people. So speak to people and understand that. My YouTube videos are there. It carries economics for people to understand what's happening.
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After that, you've got to do all the right things. Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with you. You've got to work hard. You've got to study the right things. I think it's a great shame. We have made subjects like the arts a thing which... You're not allowed. If you come from a poor background, you cannot work in art. I'm sorry. You can't pay the bills. You can't.
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So you have to go and study AI and computing and maybe social media, although we have to be honest, social media doesn't pay for most people. You have to realise the reality of your situation. It's very, very, very, very bad. But that doesn't mean you don't work. That doesn't mean you don't aspire. You work damn hard because you have to.
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But if you manage to make enough money to even support a family, you should be proud of yourself. That's the number one thing. But recognise this can be changed. This can be changed. Our grandparents, our great-grandparents fought for a bigger share of the pie and they got it. They got healthcare, they got education, they got housing, they got food.
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Our young people can have that as well, but they won't get it unless they fight for it. So I would encourage people to educate themselves, support my work, get involved politically, but also work hard, support your friends and family. Try and make money because you'll have to. If you don't play politics, I guarantee you the other side will play politics.
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And that means your kids and your grandkids live in poverty. So you have to do both. With regards to politicians, I've got mixed feelings about a lot of politicians. The truth is, I think a lot of politicians are very rich and ultimately they don't care. They're protected. A crisis of inequality looks fantastic from the top.
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And I think that's why the three of us can sit here and say things will be fine. Because for us, they will be fine. And for our kids, they will be fine. But for our viewers' kids, they won't be fine. The politicians are not going to try and save you. I'm going to try and make sure they do it, but I don't think they will. Listen, my plan is not to get concessions from politicians.
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My plan is to get 5 million followers on the internet and bully the politicians so that they have to give us what we need. So I would support people to get behind me, get behind my campaign, but also understand what's happening, educate your friends and your family, and just crucially to understand this is going to be a long fight.
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So be strong, keep your people around you, but be ready for what's to come.
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I see hints in some of the things you've said recently of you going into politics yourself at some point. Stephen, I'm in politics. But I mean, actively.
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Listen, I do not want to be an MP. I do not want to be Chancellor. I do not want to be Prime Minister. If we get to a point where I feel that that is something that is achieved when it is the best way to fix this problem. I will be open to it. This is not plan A. This is not, you know, would you like to be prime minister? I suspect probably not, right?
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Gary, I'm sure you have a lot to say there. I know you both use the word collapsing. So you agree that there's a problem here. But I think you, from studying both of your sort of perspectives, you think that the solution and the cause of the problem is different?
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I'll be honest, I am quite uncomfortable with even the level of public profile that I have at the moment, which is, you know, it's much less than what you have, but it stresses me out. It's weird we spoke about it before we were shooting. I don't want it. Can you imagine? I don't want to be prime minister. I don't want to be an MP. But I'm serious about this work that I do.
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And if we reach a point that I think that is the best way to do it, I will consider it. But I would much rather be able to influence the MPs from the sidelines, to influence the politicians from the sidelines.
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And for that person you just gave advice to, who should they be voting for?
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Well, we don't have an election for... Listen... Politics is not football. Politics is not football, okay? This is not about I'm Labour, I'm Conservative, I'm Republican, I'm Democrat. You're losing your houses here. You're losing your houses. Your kids will be in poverty.
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And you're going to see both Trump and the Republicans and Keir Starmer and Labour, who are supposed to be on the opposite side of the political spectrum, they will both fail because they will not take action on growing wealth inequality. And I'll be right on that. Bring me back in a few years, I'll be right on that.
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And that shows you it's not about... I think this factionalism is unbelievably damaging to our societies, especially in the US where there's so much hatred behind it, where suddenly I'm on this side, you're on that side. Look, we're going to shake hands after this.
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We will. There's no hatred here. But if you allow yourself to be divided from half of your country and you allow... We're seeing it growing, tensions, racial tensions, gender tensions. If you allow yourself to be divided... They will win. They will win. So you need to vote for whoever is going to protect your houses.
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And if you want to know who that is, come and check Gary's economics before the election and I will tell you who it's going to be. Daniel.
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Closing arguments, personal and social.
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I mean, I put bets on. I put bets on. That's what I do. I put bets on. At the beginning of COVID, we knew the government was going to give an enormous amount of money out, total amount of money now, UK government deficit. Since the beginning of COVID, it's £1 trillion. US number is $14 trillion. That's, you know, £20,000 per UK adult.
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And on that macro point, who should we be voting for? Because some of your thinking and policy suggestions through this conversation align more with Trump, Elon, the American mission now, where they're welcoming millionaires, they're trying to create a really entrepreneurship-friendly environment, they're doing the doge, dismantling a sort of government waste system.
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It's too soon to tell. But he made a prediction, so I'm inviting you to make a prediction. He said five years' time we come back here, we're going to see that Trump.
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Well, we'll have to do a part two and we shall see. I want to thank you both for the work that you do because I'm a big fan of both of you. I watch Gary's videos all the time. Helps me to understand another perspective on what I'm typically hearing out on the internet or that I hear on Twitter about what's going on in the world.
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And I think I really respect and admire people that can do what both of you have done today, which is to exchange and listen to ideas in the pursuit of answers. And that's why I'd highly recommend anybody, regardless of whether you agree with everything or some things or just a little bit,
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to go and follow Gary's channel on YouTube called Gary's Economics because it's a great source of information from someone who has done it, understands the world from another perspective, but also someone who's providing a narrative, which I actually think there's, as we kind of talked about before you started, there's a big gap in the market for.
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My background is I understand that when the distribution gets worse, when inequality gets worse, living standards fall. So when the UK government was going to give a trillion pounds out, all I wanted to know was who's going to end up with that money. That's all I wanted to know. And I mean, the US number, 13 trillion, 14 trillion, it's just outlandish.
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There are a lot of people like me and Dan out on the internet that are talking about entrepreneurship and finance and how to make money, but there aren't enough people talking about wealth inequality from the perspective, as Gary sees it, and that are providing more sort of...
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collectivist and sort of society-wide solutions and answers and sort of explanations as to why that's ultimately happening. I do think, I do think, because I know you Dan and I hope I know myself, I do think that we all want the UK to survive and I think we all believe that the way that the UK survives isn't necessarily a couple of ultra-rich people getting more money, it is
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sort of social mobility and it's allowing people that are at the very bottom to create opportunities and to succeed we all agree upon that even if we agree disagree sorry on the causes and the solutions to that um i'd also highly recommend everybody to go check out the trading game because everybody's talking about this this book and i think it's what four weeks at the moment on the sunday times bestseller list four weeks number one number one four weeks number one
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which is an incredible achievement, but it speaks to what's in this book, the way that the story is told, but also the timeliness of this message. So I'd highly recommend everybody go check it out. I'm going to put a link below so that everybody can go and do it. And if you just look at some of the testimonials for this book, it's profound. I hear people describe it as like,
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unforgettable on one end and then sad on the other end because that's the nature of the reality it speaks to. And I highly recommend everybody go check out Daniel Priestley's Entrepreneur Revolution, but also your website has all of your resources and tools on it. So I'll link that on the screen. What's the? At danielpriestley.com. At danielpriestley.com. Thank you both for your generosity.
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Really, really appreciate it. Thanks for bringing us together.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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But I think the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my whole life was that at the beginning of COVID, the very beginning of COVID, we knew... governments across the world are going to be giving out tens of trillions of pounds, dollars, euros. Nobody even thought to ask who's going to get tens of trillions richer.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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Nobody in the Conservatives, nobody in Labour, nobody in the Republicans, nobody in Democrats, nobody in the media, nobody in academia, nobody in the central banks. Nobody asked this. It's almost beautiful. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. So I sat down and I did the analysis at the beginning.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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Because lockdown is essentially banning the spending of the rich and replacing that spending of the rich with printed money from government. What happens is the government gives workers money. They use that money to pay their bills, to pay their rent, pay their mortgage. It goes to the rich. The rich can't spend it because they're locked indoors.
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And what you get is essentially an enormous amount of money from the government to the poor, to the rich. And this massive, massive transfer of wealth is... That was so obviously going to happen at the beginning of COVID. Nobody discussed it, which I think is itself amazing. Let me ask you a question, all right?
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If we were now to pause the economy for two years and during that pause massively increase wealth inequality, what do you think would happen to broad living conditions when we unpaused?
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And so you still wake up with some days where you don't have energy.
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Which is really hard to believe for someone who's so productive for everybody looking on.
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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I observed in the team member that I had that had Crohn's just a bit of a mental roller coaster as well because there's a certain unpredictability to it. Exactly. Which makes life.
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I got diagnosed with ADHD.
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Yeah, I got diagnosed with ADHD and it made me think a lot about myself and the way that I am. I'm not the type of person to like embody the label or think it really means much. I am just who I am. Are you in any way neurodivergent?
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That's one of the things you mentioned earlier. You like solving hard problems consistently. When you think back over the last 10 years of your life and the success you've had solving some of these hard problems, if you were to break it down into some core components that you've learned, one of them is obsession that you've said.
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What are the others?
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Back to this episode. Jimmy, we've really just only met and you are already, to me, a bit of a Rubik's Cube. Okay. In so many ways.
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One of the things that I saw, I was reading that handbook that was linked on the internet. And one of the things I saw throughout that was this real obsession with the 1%. How do you feel about this, by the way, and all of that stuff?
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It went around all of our Slack channels. We all read it.
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And the other thing that comes through in this, but also all of your work is just this idea, something that I've learned from you just from speaking to you on the phone yesterday, that nothing is impossible. Yeah, exactly.
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And watching Beast Games over the last couple of weeks, but also speaking to some of your team, there's clearly this through line with everything that you do of like extreme, what appears to me to be extreme ambition. And it doesn't appear to be extreme ambition to you in the same way that it appears to be extreme ambition to me.
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And is that something you've trained over time or have you always thought that?
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Well, has it ever crossed your mind to quit YouTube as a whole? Oh, yeah, of course. Really? Yeah. Are you?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And I've been trying to piece the pieces together to understand the uniqueness of you because you're so unbelievably unique. We just drove over here in the car and hearing you speak about the way that you view life and speaking to you yesterday on the phone. I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people and I've never, ever met someone who has the perspective on life that you have.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
If you were to distill then, say we were coming up with a new how to succeed in Mr. B's production handbook now, what would be the top five? If I was applying for a job with you, what five characteristics would I need to demonstrate to be successful?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You are truly unique. What do I need to understand about your earliest years to understand who you are? Oh, boy.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Have you ever been frustrated that the people you've hired don't match your level of obsession?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Are there people that do?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And you have almost 500, roughly 500 people?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Most founders that I speak to describe scaling head counts as the kind of worst part of the job. More people, more problems, right?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Especially as someone like you who's a creative at heart and who is very focused and obsessed on, I guess, the show and producing, as you say often, I want to produce the best videos we possibly can.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And then all this other shit comes with it, which is like HR, which every founder I speak to hates.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Every founder says the same. Every founder I've spoke to says the same. They're unknown unknowns. Exactly.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
The Diary of a Seer, I'm on a TV show called Dragon's Den in the UK, and my stuff is significantly smaller. It's like a percentage of your viewership. But even I am slightly terrified with hiring people because it's quite clear to me that there's a huge incentive for anyone that I work with to say that I did something bad. And in the early days of my first business,
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
What happens is the journalists go to everyone that works there, and they ask them, what was he like? You have the same problem. You have the same conundrum. Where anyone has an incentive that works for you, when they leave, so many different incentives to throw an arrow at you on the way out the door. How do you contend with this?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Has any of that stuff ever got to you? Any criticism? Oh, of course.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
The brain isn't designed for this, though.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
This is what I've come to learn. So I do the podcast, it goes well. It feels like at the start, everyone loves me. And then I get further down the line, and it feels like everyone fucking hates me. Because you get attacked from... You can never do anything right.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Has it ever really got to you?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Like I said... What does that mean in reality? If I'm a fly on a wall in one of those moments where you can recall it really getting to you...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
When was the last time that happened, that feeling of...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
It's funny because everyone that knows you, knows you. whether they're really successful people or people that you work with that I've spoken to, everybody that knows you knows who you are. And it's remarkable to me that someone who has done so much good in the world, I've looked at your philanthropy, I know what you're doing with Feastables and the ethical sourcing of that.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
When I see someone that's done so much good in the world still be misunderstood, it almost makes me realize that I should never fight it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Interesting.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I think when the wind blows as well, what it does is it helps you to really understand why you're doing what you're doing and understand yourself. And so when I've been attacked for like the people I interview or whatever it might be, it's actually made me refocus on what my principles are. Because you have to be really anchored to them.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Mr. Beast. Mr. Beast. Mr. Beast. He is the biggest YouTuber on the planet. And he's building empires. I mean, is there anything this man can't do? Your business empire is much bigger than most people realize.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Workaholism. Yes. Can you give me a window into the last seven days of your life? Just give me, paint me a picture.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Just off to 1 a.m.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
How does everything else in your life fit into that in terms of, like, the gym? I know you've been working out a lot.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
How are you feeling?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Quick one, I want to talk about something we all need to take seriously, which is cybersecurity. Whether you're a first-time founder facing your very first audit or a seasoned professional who's been through it all, staying compliant is getting more critical than ever and more complicated, I have to say. And that is where Vanta comes in, who is a sponsor of this podcast.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Vanta takes the pain out of security compliance, automating the tedious but essential process of proving your business is secure across over 35 frameworks like SOC 2, ISO 27001, centralize your workflows, answer security questions up to five times faster, and protect your business without losing focus on growth. And this is really a critical part of this.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You spoke to Colin and Samir, two guys that I met recently. Yeah, they're great. Great, great guys. You said to them, I'm miserable a lot of times. I have mental breakdowns every other week.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I heard Elon Musk, who I know is someone you spoke about quite often, also someone that I speak about quite often. I heard him say when he was on Joe Rogan that you wouldn't want to be in my head. And I think Joe Rogan asked him if he was happy or something. And he doesn't even like consider the question to be important.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
What about your parents, mum and dad? You talk about your mother a lot.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
What's your baseline? How would you describe your baseline?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I always wonder, as someone who is doing so well on a platform like YouTube where the algorithm is always changing, so many YouTubers I speak to say that they get burnout eventually. They get like creative burnout and they just like delete their channel. You've seen a lot of it recently over the last couple of years where YouTubers hit 10 million and they just stop. Yep.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Has that ever crossed your mind to stop?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Seriously?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
When was the closest you came to quitting?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
No, I mean, as a creator.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
But what about YouTube as a whole? Because I feel like YouTube is like throwing coal into a train and you just have to keep throwing it in there once you've started. You just can never stop throwing it in.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And when you think forward at that treadmill, can you see yourself doing it for the next two, three, four decades?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Okay. Love. Something that came into my life a couple of years ago. You announced, I think, over Christmas time that you had proposed. I think it was like Boxing Day or New Year's Eve.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Oh, Christmas Day.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
How does that fit into this craziness?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
People, I mean, anyone listening now that's in a relationship, I guess the question they'd be thinking is like, when do you spend time together? Mostly at nights.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Parents always message me and say, Steve, wait till you have kids.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
you know being badasses but yeah not anytime soon like i would be so absent if we had kids so just gotta like find that right time in the venn diagram where i could actually be present in their life and your business empire i think is much bigger than most people realize i imagine probably the majority of people probably don't really understand the context of business so they don't really get it they might see you as a youtuber or a creator but from the research that i've done you run a
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Very, very large business.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Nine figures in Feastables. So the business must be worth several billions of dollars.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I'm not going to get you to try and hazard a guess. I'm sure you know, but I'm not going to ask you to predict that. The business would be worth a lot of money. Are you a billionaire?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Do you pay yourself at all?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
How do you think about money in all of this? Because most people in their lives are pursuing money so that they can chill out and retire. But you seem to be pursuing it purely for the sake of reinvesting it back into the system.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
When is enough enough?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Yeah.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You could do so much with the gazillion people that listen and watch your videos. You could like start almost any business and it'd be successful. You could have almost any social impact and it'd be profound and save a gazillion people's lives. Do you struggle with focus?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Thank you. It's so delicious. I'd really love to just spend a moment talking about the ethical sourcing piece because I don't think that's something I didn't understand until I did some research on you.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Why? Why does that matter so much? When you say ethical sourcing, what's the difference between what you do and what normal chocolate companies do?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
5,000?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
This might sound like a really obvious question, but it won't be to everybody. Why do you care so much?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
It reminds me somewhat of Elon Musk and what his mission was with Tesla. He kind of knew that if he was able to prove that you can have fast... nice electric cars, then the rest of the industry could give up their excuses that it's not possible. Exactly. What if someone comes along, though, and they say, okay, Jimmy, we'll give you $5 billion for Feastable.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Have people come along and offered to buy your YouTube channel?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Well done. And I don't think you've yet to get the credit you deserve for the lengths you've gone to with Feastables. But I think it's really important. I know you're not doing it for credit at all. I know that you're doing it to get the message out there so that the industry changes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
But I think someone like you with a platform that you have that's able to produce chocolate that is fucking delicious. They sent me a box of it about six months ago. Thank you. I hate so much of the fucking thing.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You talked about your friends calling you and asking you for business advice and you helping them drive their businesses up. But just watching you there pick apart your own business made me think that there's a lot of entrepreneurs that watch our show that are early in their own businesses. And many of them will be... You're going to fail.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Who noticed that?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Do you know how atypical that is, what you've just said? That you put GoPros... Yeah, people told me I was crazy.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
But on the point that I was saying, your obsession with the detail of a product is completely atypical. If I was to compare this to a normal YouTuber and their e-commerce brand. Oh, they wouldn't give a fuck. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I asked you earlier on if you struggled.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Are Walmarts still open now?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
They're not, okay. We can do it another time.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Of course. But what you just said there, I feel like I'm getting at something here because 99.99999% of entrepreneurs that I know that just have one thing to do, just to run their business, don't give that many fucks about the detail. And you have a gazillion things to do. An Amazon show, which is like the highest future of whatever, of all time or whatever.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And you have this massive channel, you have your philanthropy, you have all of this stuff going.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
100 gazillion followers here, a gazillion followers. The numbers are just unfathomable. And you're still driving to 31 Walmarts to check if your chocolate is breaking.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Who was looking after you then? If she was busy working and you were at home and your dad's not around, who takes care of you?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Do you not feel like you've spent your whole life fighting people to raise their standards to your standards? Because you don't exist in a world of Mr. Beasts.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
With Beast Games, with this, with all the other things going on, your main channel... Which is, I guess, you probably still see as your baby to some degree. It's like the mothership, right? Because it's the source of it.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Do you ever get paranoia when the views go down?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You were making videos? Yeah. What age did that start, the videos?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
But do you still get that? Do you still watch the video go live and look at the back end?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You don't?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Move on. And has there ever been a moment in recent times where you go, I think I need to spend more time on it again and get back in there?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You said earlier you don't talk about your dad much.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Tell me about experimentation and testing because people look to you as the real king of like testing and experimentation. How central is this to the success of everything that you do?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You don't have to tell me about it. But why don't you talk about your father much?
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I was going to say, or else if there was a culture of that, then people would just make the same videos again, and a lot of YouTubers just churn out the same format.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I know your mom has spoken about him before. Yeah. And it was a bit of a tumultuous relationship.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
The biggest question I get asked is why use Whoop over other wearable technology options. And there is a bunch of reasons, but I think it really comes down to the most overlooked yet crucial feature. It's non-invasive nature. When everything in life seems to be competing for my attention, I turn to Whoop because it doesn't have a screen.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And Will Ahmed, the CEO who came on this podcast, told me the reason that there's no screen. Because screens equal distraction. So when I'm in meetings or I'm at the gym, my Whoop doesn't demand my attention. It's there in the background, constantly pulling data and insights from my body that are ready for when I need them.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
If you've been thinking about joining Whoop, you can head to join.whoop.com slash CEO and try Whoop for 30 days, risk-free and zero commitment. That's join.whoop.com slash CEO. Let me know how you get on. You've just concluded today the biggest competition show, I think, of all time. Well, it is of all time, but I think you've got 50 Guinness World Records.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
and what 50 guinness world records yeah that we know of there's probably way more but yeah you said something on stage which i found quite interesting you said i kind of feel a bit sad
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
They describe this in the Olympics as gold medal depression. Really? Yeah, they say, I think it's, I might butcher these numbers, but 70% of people after the Olympics, even if they won a gold medal, experience depression afterwards because they've lost their North Star that was giving them meaning. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
She used to cry asking you to do your homework.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And you're into the next one?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
It is the most... Me and Jack were talking about it earlier on. It is the most incredible thing that I think I've seen on TV. I just think... I think I said to you on the phone the other day, I watch it knowing that unless you do another one, I will never see something on this magnitude and scale.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I was wondering as I was watching it, if Amazon are aware of the fact that you're just going to give away the money like this, like when you flip the coin and it adds another $5 million.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Really?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Because the headlines came out, it was like, Amazon give MrBeast 100 million to do show. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm doing the math. I'm thinking, okay, so he spent 20 odd million on the prizes. Yeah, we gave away... So there must be 80 million left or something.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Is it more than $100 million?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Of course.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Well, on Rotten Tomatoes, which is not an easy critic to please. No, it was like 90% approval from fans, which is pretty unheard of on Rotten Tomatoes. I know. But also I hear through the grapevine that it is on track to become one of Amazon's biggest shows of all time.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
So, but for a YouTuber, quote-unquote YouTuber... Yeah, well, they did release it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And what's the upside for you to continue promoting it now that it's done?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Really?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
If I sit here with you in 10 years' time, Jimmy, and everything went to plan,
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And personally? Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Some photos I found that I loved.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
This one as well. Where did you get these? Internet.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
These are like the really iconic photos that I... I don't think I've ever seen this one. Really?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Do you recognize anything in that photo?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You do so much for children, but if you could whisper in that child's ear something about... Buy Bitcoin. You...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
What about Tahar?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Do you tell her now what she means to you? Oh, yeah, of course. You're good at that.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You're not a man that seems to have many fears, but that appears to be one of them. A fear that we both share.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You get hit with a question first. Okay. Would you rather die with a sound body or a sound mind? Sound body or sound mind?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Jimmy, thank you. Do I get to write my question now? You do. I want to say something to you, though. I have to give you a lot of credit because so many people like us, like our teams, we have stolen so much from you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
We've stolen your principles, your mentality, and it's made us be better creators, which has allowed us to live the lives that we get to live and do these things that we love the most. And there's always a cost, I think, to being different and to being weird. There's an upside, but there's also a really, really, really big cost.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
If I'd asked 10-year-old Jimmy, how are you doing? What would he have said?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You pay that cost most when you're younger and you have to fit into the, the system and you don't get to choose who you hang around with and stuff. But then as an adult, as you said, we all then clap for the unique ones, the weird ones, and we steal from them and we aspire to be them and we learn from them.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And you have, in the very short amount of time that I've been speaking to you for like a week or something, have blown my mind open. I got to see the behind the scenes of Beast Games and my entire mind as I sat there on the sofa, I remember where I was sat when I saw the behind the scenes, just exploded. And you made me, in that moment, realize how much I'd limited myself.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
As someone that considers themselves to be really ambitious, I'd limited myself. And so I wanted to say thank you, because you're not just doing that for me. You're doing that for tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people all at the same time. And you're giving them the roadmap, but also a blueprint and the mentality and the belief.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
that they too don't have to live the life that school or the system has told them they have. Hit in the box, agreed. Exactly. So thank you so much, honestly, because we need more people like you and I'm your biggest fan. Thank you. I really, really appreciate you. Thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You're so funny. Some of the most successful, fascinating, and insightful people in the world have sat across from me at this table. And at the end of every conversation, I ask them to leave a question behind in the famous diary of a CEO. And it's a question designed to spark the kind of conversations that matter most, the kind of conversations that can change your life.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
We then take those questions and we put them on these cards. On every single card, you can see the person who left the question, the question they asked, and on the other side, if you scan that barcode, you can see who answered it next. Something I know a lot of you have wanted to know.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
And the only way to find out is by getting yourself some conversation cards, which you can play at home with friends and family, at work with colleagues, and also with total strangers on holiday. I'll put a link to the conversation cards in the description below, and you can get yours at thediary.com.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Why did you want to really be a YouTuber? Because kids say that, but the extent to which you said it and the focus that you had on that particular goal of being a YouTuber, because there's many things you could have focused on.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
You could have been a video game player or whatever, but YouTube is a particularly interesting thing because you're on camera, people are seeing it, there's a metric which decides how successful you are. Was there any element of the on-camera part that was... helping to solve for like the feeling of isolation that you seem to have at that time.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Just the money.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I think a lot of people can't understand someone being so relentlessly focused on something with the level of, like, commitment and sustained commitment that you've shown.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
It would have had to have been a deep obsession because you were doing it when no one was really watching or paying attention or really when the platform was... There was literally a day when I was 19 or 20 where I woke up
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Was there anything else that you showed that level of obsession to?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
But when is enough enough?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
Consistent, hard problems. I want to talk about that and also Feastables, but you mentioned Crohn's disease there. A lot of people don't know what that is and the impact it has on someone's life. Are you aware of it? I am because I had a team member that had it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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MrBeast: If You Want To Be Liked, Don't Help People! I Lost Tens Of Millions On Beast Games... But I'm Worth $1 Billion!
So in order to help support them at certain times when they had to leave and stuff like that, I got a little bit more aware of what it means and how it impacts you. But could you give me your perspective on that?
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But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like we're only just getting started. And if you enjoy what we do here, please join the 24% of people that listen to this podcast regularly and follow us on this app. Here's a promise I'm going to make to you. I'm going to do everything in my power to make this show as good as I can now and into the future.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Good luck with that. Good luck with that. I'm going to double your weight.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
I'm not going to risk it. I'd be out of here.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
We're going to deliver the guests that you want me to speak to and we're going to continue to keep doing all of the things you love about this show. Thank you. Thank you so much. Back to the episode. Within all your work, what is it that you're aiming to do? And I guess most importantly, equally importantly, who are you aiming to do it for?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
So you're going to have to explain the brain to me in the context you're describing it for me to understand some of these points.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Tell me what I need to know about the brain. I'm going to draw a little picture of it on my iPad here so I can stay with you.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
I love to vomit. That's so weird.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Is that when you're like, what's... Yeah, everybody slows down and you're like, what happened? What happened? Oh, yeah, of course.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
I'll take the truth.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
So how would I go about switching into this right hemisphere? If I'm feeling anxious, what would you recommend that I do?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Okay. Something that makes me feel a little bit anxious.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
This is an interesting one. Okay. Sounds like a strange thing to say, but when my partner is not happy and I know she's not happy, but she's not telling me why and I'm around her and I can tell from her vibe, her face, she's not happy about something and I have no idea what it is.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
I love fresh air.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Mm-hmm.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
My breath is short. Yeah. Right. I just feel tense and I become quite impatient because I just need the answer to like alleviate the anxiety. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
I'm very focused, yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Okay.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
My anxiety went away.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Relaxes, right? Your body relaxes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
I love to vomit. Why is that?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Do you have to do the orange thing the whole time to get into that state?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Yeah. All right. The way I usually sign it or write it.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Okay. Yeah. Okay. So the way I usually sign it is a bit more complicated.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
I might need pen and paper.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Terrible.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
It's terrible. It's beautiful.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
No, yours is good.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
So what does this mean for me on a day-to-day basis? If I understand the power of this, does this mean that I should draw my name a lot? Or is there something that we can all be doing to alleviate our anxiety and to get us into the right hemisphere of our brain?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
I would approach it slowly or not approach it at all. And I would get down. Yes. And I'd be very gentle and say hello and I'd ask it to come to me.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
It's like here in my chest.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Yeah, for some reason it just, the volume went down. It's just like the volume has went down. And it made me wonder if, because just by you saying that, it made me wonder if in those moments I should be writing it out.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
You said something at the start. You said that anxiety is like driving over a metal spike in those police chases. That's what I was thinking about, like the police chases where they throw out the metal spikes and the car drives over. Why did you use that analogy? What are you saying there about the nature of anxiety?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
In the making, it usually feels great. Yeah. Like in the process of making. Actually, me and my partner went and did, last weekend, we went and made some art. And I was like stressed and stuff. And so when we went and did this art, I'd like never painted in my life. Yeah.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
So we went to this like random loft and there was this guy there and he had these massive two pieces of cardboard and like loads of spray cans and paint and stuff. And we just painted for... maybe three hours or something, and I was totally lost in it. I mean, that's the way people describe it. They describe it as being lost in it, right?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Get a real job. Yeah. How does this link again back to the brain? So if I'm creating, I'm making some art, I was doing that spray paint thing with the paint and the I'll show you a picture of it after. Cool, I want to see it. But how is that helping me to calm my anxiety?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
And what is that shift in human consciousness that you're predicting?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
This is a related but slightly unrelated topic, but there's a lot of people and certain demographics suffering in different ways at the moment. Yes. There's like a conversation I hear a lot about men suffering with meaning and purpose and those things. And I hear this other conversation about young women suffering and depression and anxiety being on the rise there.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
When you think about those two groups, so like men and young women, what is it that you think is the causal factor of their suffering? Because their suffering is similar and different, right?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
You talked about suicidal ideation earlier on being unique to humans. When we think about suicidal ideation, it's particularly prominent in young men. I think in the UK, the stat is still the case that the single biggest killer of young men is themselves under the age of 45. Wow. So why is that? We talked about meaning and purpose and stuff earlier.
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Why are young men killing themselves at alarming rates?
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So what is the solution then for young men?
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And that's not that hard to do. Why is it healing for them, doing that, using their skills, hunting, surviving? Because it's what we evolved to do.
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For people that aren't watching video, she's pointing at the studio.
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So what do we do about it? Because, you know, the more I listen to you, I think maybe I should run away. Like maybe I should. I have the funds to run away. I could go forever. And I do wonder. I'd probably be happier. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe I'd start creating though. And then this is what I said. I did a solo episode of my podcast recently. I said, if I ran away, then I'd start creating. And then.
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You know, I might start a podcast on the beach in Bali and then... You would.
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Your story... is heartbreaking in many ways, but it's so evidently shaped the person that sits in front of me today because you're at a very young age, which we've not really spoken about much. You were part of the Mormon religion.
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Take me into that before 10 years old, how that experience before the age of 10 has shaped the person you are.
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Abuse at the hands of your father.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
And you remembered that at 28 years old? Yeah. You recalled it at 28 years old?
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You called your mother to tell her you'd been sexually abused and you realized and she said, yes, she knows.
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She said, well, yeah, that's how it is.
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How did it track? What did she know?
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Did you confront him?
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Did he acknowledge that he had done it?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
And after that phone call with your mother where you confronted her about it and she said, that sounds about right, I read that she then denied it after that.
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Did she ever admit that she had said that?
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And she was depressed, right? I was reading through your story about how she spent a lot of time in bed, upset, crying.
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the influence of the religion, was there anything that happened to them?
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Was there a suspicion that your dad was abused?
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He was sexually abused by his mother.
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The things that happened to you at that age, they left their fingerprints on you as you went through your teen years.
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I was listening to an interview you did where you were describing being, I think, 17, 18 years old and you were thinking about ending your own life.
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Constantly.
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Through what period of your life?
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How could you persuade anybody that that state of being is even possible?
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Why? Why do you think that was so present in your life, those thoughts?
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And are the two linked?
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Let me push it on.
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Okay. I love to vomit.
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Yeah.
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I love to vomit. Why? That's so weird.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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I love fresh air.
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I love fresh air.
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I love to vomit. Why is that? That's so strange.
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Just for people that couldn't see that because they were listening, when, I don't know if I've just been like messed with in some way, but when I said, I love to vomit, she could push my hand down. But when I said I love fresh air, she couldn't push my hand down. And she was trying both times. She was pushing hard both times. And I would think that I'd be able to resist the forces.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
But when I said I love to vomit, it was like, the only way I can describe it was I wasn't actually connected to my strength. Yeah, exactly. It was like I was inside my head, so I couldn't also at the same time think about you. You're about to push me. Right. It was like there was two different systems.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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So let's get on to that then. Who are you in terms of your qualifications?
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100%.
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I love fresh air.
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Yeah, well, I think, yeah, one of the things, the reason I say that is because I've been saying on stage and I wanted to see if you thought it was true, this idea, because people ask me all the time, they ask me about meaning and purpose and what decision they should make and should they quit their job or quit the relationship? And my response for the last, I'd say, 12 months has just been,
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to try and impress upon them that they were born with this thing inside them, which is how you feel. And you've learned not to listen to it because your mother's opinion of which university you go to has like superseded it and Instagram has.
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But I know it's there because I know like evolutionarily you wouldn't be here if your body didn't have signals to tell you to run, to tell you to be scared, to tell you to move away from this person. So I know it's there, but you just probably tuned it out.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
and I say that to people and I've almost never asked them if that resonated with them but I've just been saying it for a while so I don't even know if it's like true but it's just how I experience life because my decision like the reason why I'm sat here now is because of just I quit a lot of stuff
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
So like, and I quit. People go, you're so young. It's like, actually, it's not that I made great decisions. It's just, I think the skill of quitting was one that just came naturally to me. So like, I don't like being at school. I stopped going. I don't like university. I left after the first lecture.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
I started a business, did it for two years, quit that business out of the blue, started another business, did that one for six, seven years, quit that one out of the blue. I love it. And it was all like, I didn't need to have a place to go to. I didn't need to have like a better option. It was just this doesn't feel good.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
But that's kind of running off the cliff. Yeah, it is a bit.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
What if you don't want to do it, but there's something telling you that you have to? So it could be like a horrible work meeting or that event you've been invited to with that person, which you don't particularly like anyway, that baby shower you don't want to go to.
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Freedom.
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What is freedom in that definition of the word?
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Well, throughout your teenage years to the person you are now. How radical is the difference? So if I met that 19-year-old teenager and she sat down here… I just went back for the first time in years.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
And if she turned to you and said, Dr. Martha Beck, what is step one? What would you say to her?
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Themselves?
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The suffering is part of the dream world.
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When you say that, are you referring to the anxiety spiral and those kinds of things?
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One of the things you talked about was when you saw the light during that surgery. Like when people hear you say you saw a light during surgery, people think, well, you're on morphine or something.
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Were you on morphine?
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Why truth emerged from that? Because you say, from what I've understood, that you vowed not to lie.
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Yeah. As part of you stepping in, when you step into your truth, so the body knows, from what you've said, the body lives in a better state, a less anxious state, I imagine.
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
You know what it is? When people think about stepping into their truth, the reason they probably don't is because there's consequence to that, or at least there's a short-term apparent consequence. I might lose my job. When people think of truth, they think of speaking your mind. In the modern world, you speak your mind, you might lose everything.
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Who have you worked with on a one-on-one basis? What are the different types of individuals that have asked for your help and support?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
How do you know what your true nature is? Is there such an exercise one can go through to figure it out?
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Dr. Martha Beck (Oprah's Life Coach): I Nearly Died, So I Stopped Lying! Why You're Anxious & How To Fix It! Fix Your Childhood Trauma!
Okay, so the absence of all psychological suffering is my true nature. Yeah. So is my psychological suffering caused by being not in my true nature?
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Do you suffer?
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As part of you stepping into your truth, you realized that the relationship you were in with your husband at the time was not the relationship you wanted.
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There really is something to that. There really is something to this idea that when you follow your truth, you'll live a countercultural life. Yeah.
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I don't think it's embarrassing. I've got friends that, I've got a good friend of mine that's, that is married, but also in love with another couple. So they're like a four and they like raise the kids together and stuff.
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I mean, there's nothing it's it's, this sounds so strange to say, but for me, to me, it's actually quite inspiring because it must take a lot of.
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something to accept that people are going to be judgmental and to do it anyway yeah yeah i mean i'm like oh god i wish i had the like if that's how i felt would i be the type of person that would be strong enough to follow that feeling if that's like how i felt or would i just bat the feeling away i actually think i'd bat the feeling away and i don't like that about myself because because of consequence and the consequence for me would be in my head it would be quite grave
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Yeah, so it's going to be written about everywhere and people are going to think, they're going to tweet me all day saying, Steve's dating five people or whatever.
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Who's this other lady?
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No.
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We talked earlier on about meaning and purpose. You said the billionaires when they come to you, but really anyone that comes to you is all trying to figure out their path in life, their meaning, their purpose. It's a big, big question. What are the lies we're sold about finding our purpose?
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captivity freedom um any situation it has to work before i'll say i'll put my stamp on it and say yeah i think that works and who when you talk about you know helping billionaires what do they come to you seeking do they just express symptoms or something
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Because I have a lot of kids in my DMs that DM me and say, Steve, I can't find my passion or I can't find my purpose. And I never really know what to say to them.
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I bought the house this year, so I've been working a lot, and it's only really at the end of the year that I get to go there, so I don't really know South Africa well yet.
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I am me because
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Yeah.
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I felt like my heart rate dropped.
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That's kind of how I just felt really calm. Yeah. And I was thinking about, I was trying to look at the space in between.
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So if someone sends me a DM and says, I can't find my purpose in life, what do you suggest I respond?
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It's my deep gladness.
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And by deep gladness, how I interpreted that was the thing that makes me happy or the thing that makes me feel good?
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How has the internet messed this all up?
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Do you interact with the internet much?
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Amen. What is the most important thing in your new book, Beyond Anxiety, Curiosity, Creativity, and Finding Your Life's Purpose, that we haven't talked about yet?
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Dr. Martha Beck, we have a closing tradition on the podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving the question for. Okay. And the question that has been left for you is... This is a tricky one. And you can interpret this however you wish.
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What do you think separates a great story from just a good story? Easy.
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A good story is when bad things happen to good people. But a great story is when bad things happen to heroes.
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Is this a choice that we have?
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You clearly have a great story. Oh, thank you. So do you. Because you are clearly someone that is a good person that bad things happen to. So now you're a person where bad things have happened to someone that me and many others consider to be a hero. because of all the wonderful things that you've done. It's interesting, because I thought I understood the subject matter of anxiety.
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And I think I was of the mind that it's something you attack, you throw things at. Much of society says the key to curing anxiety is just you throw pills at it or something else. But you've given me a whole new perspective on what it is and also how to navigate in a world that's increasingly more anxious. And I'm sure you've done that for many other people.
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In a way, that's really, really honest, really rooted in science and really accessible. I hope so. Thank you so much. That's genuinely the words that I mean. I'm not lying to you. Thank you. I highly recommend anybody who's resonated with any of this conversation, please go and get this book. It's fantastic.
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It has these wonderful areas where you can engage with the book and there's some sections that you can write in. But it's just a wonderful book. And I think it's a wonderful book for anybody that's struggling. And I say struggling or suffering in all your forms. That's trying to understand what that means and how to channel it into your own hero's journey of sorts.
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So Dr. Martha Beck, thank you so much. It's been such an honor and privilege to meet you. And I hope we have more conversations in the future.
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So if I'm feeling anxious, what would you recommend that I do?
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I just wanted to ask you, you know, of all the things you could have written about at this exact moment in time, you chose to write a book about anxiety. It's called Beyond Anxiety, Curiosity, Creativity, and Finding Your Life's Purpose. Why did you choose that subject and specifically this word anxiety above everything else you could have written about?
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I think it was in your book, but it might have been elsewhere, about the example of being thirsty.
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Yeah. Can you see it?
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Green.
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No.
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Yeah.
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It's like sweet.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, is it juicy? It's very juicy.
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My mouth was watering as well.
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We're going to deliver the guests that you want me to speak to and we're going to continue to keep doing all of the things you love about this show. Thank you. Thank you so much. Back to the episode. Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett, you have a really remarkable, twisting career journey.
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Yes.
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Usually, yeah. Okay.
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I mean, it's happened before, yes.
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I was just wondering then about, as you were talking, I thought you were going to talk about how sometimes when I set an alarm, I seem to wake up like five minutes before the alarm.
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It's almost quite difficult to encapsulate in a particular mission or a particular summary of the journey you've been on and the twists and turns you've taken. But if I were to ask you now what mission you're on with the work that you're currently doing, are you able to summarise that?
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What does this say about the nature of trauma and other mental health illnesses like depression, anxiety, et cetera? Because is this a misfiring of my predictions? I say this because predictions reliant on something happening in the past and forming a pattern, like a pattern recognition system. So if I grew up and there were certain patterns that are now not the case.
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So if I grew up and every time a man walked into the room, he hit me. And now when a man walks into the room and I'm 35 years old, I'm getting that same sort of prediction in my brain. So I've got a fear of men, for example. Does this somewhat explain childhood trauma and why it's so hard to shake and why as adults we can sometimes have dysfunctional lives?
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Cause and effect.
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Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett is a world-leading neuroscientist. Her groundbreaking research reveals that emotions like anxiety and trauma are built by the brain. And we have the power to control them.
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And she was also shown how she should be responding to that by watching Oprah's show and watching these other individuals responding in a certain way.
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My mind's a little bit blown for a number of different reasons, because it's a real paradigm shift to think that we are giving meaning to the thing that happened in our past. And sometimes that meaning is coming from watching other people give it meaning. And we're inheriting that meaning that... Oh, yes.
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It's like a cultural... It's like a contagion.
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You talked a second ago about therapists try and make you think about the past differently. But I do think there's an underlying belief in our culture and society and on social media that if something happens to you, almost like this Freudian approach of if this happens to you, this is who you become. And I was reading that book, The Courage to be Disliked, over Christmas. And it kind of...
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changed my view on this quite profoundly in an important way because it helped me to understand I think it basically says that what happens to us doesn't create who we are we use what happened to us we apply meaning to it which then determines the behavior we have and really interestingly in that it means that many of the beliefs I have about myself who I say I am my identity and therefore like the ways that I behave every day whether they're productive or unproductive are actually just
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choices I've made to apply meaning to the past. Does that make sense?
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And this is really, this is such like a profound, I don't know if the, whoever's listening now understands what I'm saying here, but we said at the start of this conversation, you go through life thinking you're a puppet and you're being controlled by what happened to you, who you are, your identity, but actually your identity is just this, this construction of
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meaning that you've given to the past to serve your purpose now, as it says in the book?
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So let me take that and try and apply it to this example of this silver cup in my hand. So psychotherapy would... try and go back into the past and explain to me why this actually isn't something I should drink out of and that it could be other things.
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Whereas what you're saying is another approach is if I go and get some flowers right now and I put them in there, I'm creating a new prediction for the future because I've created a new pattern in the present of this actually being a vase for flowers. And I can start to create a new pattern that silver cups like this one aren't just for drinking out of. They are also vases for flowers.
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Okay, so I can either go back in the past and try and convince myself that a cup isn't a cup, or I can, in the present moment, create a new pattern, which will mean that in the future, my brain will predict next time it sees a silver cup, it won't just think drink out of it, Steve, it'll think pop some flowers in it.
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So let me give you some specific examples then. So if I'm scared of spiders, how would I go about overcoming that fear of spiders using route number two that you described there?
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When you just talked about your pursuit of understanding how a brain like ours creates the mind and the reality that we have, if I'm able to understand all of that, as many people who read your book about the brain and emotions were able to understand, what is it that it offers me in my everyday life?
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So you need to prove to your brain that those predictions are wrong.
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Exposure therapy?
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Oh, okay.
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What does that mean?
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You're going to be stuck.
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I was thinking earlier on as you were speaking about this sort of social contagion where we can apply meaning to our lives and what happened to us and then consequently make ourselves sad because we see how other people on TikTok or Instagram are feeling. And it made me think that you must think the world is crazy to some degree.
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You must see social contagion in the world where suddenly everybody becomes traumatized because trauma has become almost popular to think about what happened to you and create meaning to it and then suffer that meaning. But there's other types of social contagion which are spreading through society. I mean, young people are getting more and more anxious. They're getting more and more depressed.
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We're self-diagnosing ourselves with different illnesses and different things. But now you've explained to me how the brain works. I'm thinking, gosh, as a society, we are bonkers. Well, we're living out lies.
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You pause on the word responsible.
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Are you somewhat concerned about the world that young people are growing up in, where they're scrolling on social media and social media is telling them what certain feelings are? So they are just being programmed constantly.
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To be anxious, to be depressed, to be sad.
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What do you mean by that?
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Brainwashing.
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Yeah, because life can feel like we are a puppet and we are just responding to what happens around us. And if it rains outside, then we're sad. If a person sends us a message, then we're annoyed. And that we're just these sort of reactive creatures reacting to whatever happens around us.
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The advantage you have as an objective onlooker is you have a huge amount of information and knowledge which is guiding you to make better decisions. But a lot of people don't have that information and knowledge. In fact, they have counter information and knowledge. So when I think about what it takes for someone to make a change in their life,
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whether it was your daughter or whether it's someone else who feels like they're stuck and they feel like they're trapped in an algorithm or trapped in a life that they want to break out of. Based on everything you know and based on the experience you had with your daughter, what is step one to being able to make that change?
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Because I'm really curious as to what it was about your daughter that made her decide that she wanted the help.
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But you're telling me that if I have a greater understanding of the brain and how it works and emotions, then I can seize back some of that control and live a more intentional life.
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So does that mean that pain often is just a figment of your imagination?
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Okay, okay, so it's both.
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The injury's gone, but the signal of the injury is still replaying itself.
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Oh, gosh, yeah, I had that for a little while.
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Like work or going to the gym.
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Yeah.
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So there's nothing I can do to increase it?
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Okay.
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And potentially stored as...
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What were her symptoms at that time? If there are any parents listening right now that can relate or anybody that's listening that can relate.
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I heard it was a chemical imbalance.
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And this was after or before she was experiencing depression?
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So your daughter exhibits those symptoms. I'm really curious to hear what conventional medicine at that point told you you should do with the daughter in that situation at that time versus what you did. You have this wealth of information. You have a medical background.
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Why exercise as it relates to this budget and the metabolic functions?
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How does this change how we should treat trauma?
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Why was that important?
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The wrong one.
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So is that why you got the family around just before bed? Because it was regulating her nervous system, her body?
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And you wrote down what you did. You still have a copy of that. So I can link it below for anyone that does want to read what you did.
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And did she recover?
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This is something I learned from your work while I was researching, which was really, really helpful to me. And it's pretty much exactly what you just said, which is sometimes I'm in a not so good mood. And sometimes, If I'm not conscious about that, then the bad mood can wreak havoc, right? I can be short with people or whatever.
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And when I was reading your work and thinking about bad or good moods through the context of this body budget, it makes you pause for a second and go, what am I missing? And it makes you very conscious of what you then do. It almost makes you suddenly take hold of the wheel and go, okay, so there's a problem here. It's a physical problem. I didn't get sleep last night.
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I haven't eaten, whatever it might be. Be really aware of what this makes you do or feel or think. And the actions you need to take are maybe cancel everything you were planning today and go back to bed.
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You really do need to design your calendar as much as you possibly can in the confines of the profession you have around that body budget. And for me, the big change I made two years ago, super privileged I get that and everyone can do it. I couldn't do it when I was working in call centers. Whereas I implemented a rule where there's no meetings before 11 o'clock.
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And it just means for me that I never set an alarm. So I wake up when I'm fully recharged. And it was the most profound thing. I should have done this way sooner. But it's had such a big impact on my life. Because you can almost guarantee that it's very, very rare for me to be undersled. Although it happens because I have to travel and stuff a lot. But that really had a profound impact on my life.
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And I think, you know... And as a leader.
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Am I right in thinking that alcohol impacts your body budget? And it therefore makes it harder for you to exhibit all the other behaviors and expend energy in other areas. And also therefore increases the probability that you'll be depressed.
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That's exeter.com with code Stephen. I wanted to ask you about something I heard you say, and I've actually had other guests on my podcast say it, and I wasn't ever sure if it was true until I heard you say it, which is that we can change our emotions by smiling.
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Because if the brain is predicting, then presumably if I do a big smile and I go, yes, then the brain is going to predict good feelings and going to cause good feelings, et cetera, et cetera, and going to cause me to feel nice about myself.
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But can I make myself happier technically by smiling?
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Oh, you mean like, yeah.
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I do feel happier.
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You must have a perspective on ADHD, which has become a huge topic of conversation in society. I was diagnosed with ADHD. I don't necessarily take it to mean anything because I've seen so many variations of ADHD in my friends. But there's been this big rise of ADHD and linked to the work that you've done on the brain being a predictive tool.
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Because people sometimes think that serotonin and dopamine are the reason why someone has ADHD. That's one of the theories that I've
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And social expectation, by any respects. Like, can he pay attention in school?
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You're not broken. You're just, your suitability to a certain context has been deemed to be, like, doesn't fit.
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You can regulate each other, something you talked about earlier on, which I found really, really interesting. I was reading about a study where of 25,000 people and they found that people having a heart attack were 14% more likely to survive if they were married. But the other thing that I found interesting is that we regulate each other with words.
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As it relates to neuroscience and understanding the brain and the way that we create reality, was there a eureka moment for you where you realized that most of us have it wrong or that there's an underlying misconception about the way that our brain creates our reality?
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And I think you did a study on assessing the power of words to facilitate emotion. It was a study you co-authored.
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So you've proven then that certain words can calm us down.
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For better or for worse.
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You really made me think differently about stress as well, generally. Because if I think about my life through the lens of this metabolic budget and stress is a burden to this budget, then if I don't limit my stress, I'm much more likely to go over budget. And if I go over budget, my immune system might be the thing that I cut the costs of or something else.
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Chronic stress.
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With all that you know about the brain, I wondered if it's changed your view at all on... religion and God and spirituality. And if there is a higher power at all, the brain is such a wonderfully complex, beautiful thing. You know, it's the objective observer in 2025 looks at a brain because this is fantastic. Many people then conclude that there must be a creator of that brain.
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But also we've talked so much today about meaning and the point of it all. So everything you've learned about the brain and neuroscience and psychology, has it made you believe in a God?
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Has it made you more atheist or agnostic?
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So this is obviously a terrible leap, but do you therefore think that there's no inherent meaning to life outside of, you know, the like reproduction and.
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Dr. Lisa is one of the most influential figures in the field of emotion, neuroscience, and the nature of the brain. She's among the top 0.1% cited scientists in the world for her revolutionary research in psychology and neuroscience.
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We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for. Question is... how to live a life without attaining anything. I have some context on this person. They are a black belt Shaolin monk. So they talk a lot about identity.
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How about then how to live life without your identity making you unhappy?
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Yeah, we, I, we are very quick to fall into the trap of thinking we are what we did. And that's, I much prefer I am what I do because that means that I have agency to make a different decision in the moment, irrespective of what I did in the past. But that's the trap we fall into.
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In 10 minutes time, I bet I'll be downstairs and I'll be back into the trap of thinking that I am Stephen Bartlett who did this thing for 32 years or did, you know, Lisa, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for everything that you do. You've changed my mind in a really profound way. And that's quite hard because I sit here quite a lot.
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And did she recover?
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So I have lots of conversations about the brain and about lots of new studies that have come out, et cetera, et cetera. But you've completely changed my mind and made me think in a completely different way, which I'm really grateful for. So thank you so much because that's a gift. And that's not a gift that I always get doing this job, but it really is a gift.
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And it's one that I think will help me to live a better life ultimately, but hopefully also for everybody that's listening. And thank you for stepping into the public communication side of your life because I was going to say it's someone that knows what you know and that has done the work that you've done.
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It is so important to the extent that I almost consider it to be like a really critical responsibility because there's people like us that sit on these podcasts who aren't in the laboratory, that are getting our information from social media, TikTok, or any odd person that says anything. And it's really, really important that people like you step out more and share what you know.
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And thank you so much for writing these books because they are absolutely brilliant and And just like you've changed my mind today, I think these books will change a lot of people's lives. I highly recommend this book, How Emotions Are Made. I'm going to link it below, The Secret Life of the Brain.
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And also for something a little bit shorter, but equally accessible, this book here, Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I'm going to let you into a little bit of a secret.
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So let's start with that then. So the predictive brain is this idea that I only pretty much know from you. I'd never heard it before. When we say the predictive brain, what does that mean? And what does it not mean?
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Yeah. Like right now.
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So give me an example which brings this to light of how my brain is predicting and then taking action.
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You used a word there, you used the word explore, as it relates to different diets that you've written about in your book and that are available online. From what I understood there, you're not saying that one diet is the right diet for everybody. You're saying that it's almost, the word explore suggests sort of experimentation, personal experimentation.
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And what worked for you in that case might not necessarily work for someone else in a different situation. Is that accurate? Yeah.
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What are the fundamental principles? Let's start there.
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Nourish, protect, and energize. And then beyond there, you said there's a level above that. So that's the sort of fundamental level. Beyond there, you go into sort of personalization. What's best for you? And is that where this sort of trial and error comes into play?
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This is a fairly new phrase, metabolic psychiatry. Am I right in thinking that?
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This keto diet, you did a study on the ketogenic diet. Got the study here. The ketogenic diet for refractory mental illness, a retrospective analysis of 31 inpatients. What is the ketogenic diet for someone that might not know?
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How's it acting on the brain? What's it doing to the brain?
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Can you tell me about what you learned in this study and what this study concluded?
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So there's a few things that spring to mind when you talk about this study. The first is that they were inside a hospital.
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So I guess that's a confounding factor potentially.
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Yeah.
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In the case of these 31 adults, so a certain proportion of them, was it 28 that managed to see it through?
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28 saw it through. Had I just restricted their calories, for example, but kept them on whatever diet they were on, would I have seen an improvement as well?
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If these people had done the Mediterranean diet, would they have seen the same consequences? I imagine they were probably on the Western diet, like the American diet, which is ultra-processed, high sugar. So bringing them into a controlled environment and just depriving them of that would have surely caused just that on its own would have been beneficial.
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Sustainably. Use the word sustainably there. That's kind of always been my challenge with the keto diet is being able to stay on it. I mean, you saw in this particular study that even trying to get people to do it for two weeks resulted in some portion of them dropping out. Yes. Why is it so hard to stay on the ketogenic diet?
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I've managed to do it for, I was saying to you before we started recording, once a year, around this time of year, I do it for about eight weeks. And it has a really profound impact on a A lot of my life, it helps me feel more focused. My body composition radically changes faster than any other diet or thing that I've ever tried, faster than just exercise alone.
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In your work, you talk a lot about the ketogenic diet. Why is that so prevalent in your work?
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I sleep a little bit better as well, I noticed. But you've been doing it for a long time. You've been doing it for roughly, what, almost 10 years?
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It being hard is an important factor.
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Because when you're trying to prescribe it to somebody who has got, you know, treatment resistant depression or is really suffering in some way, I imagine they'll find it even harder than I do.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I find what you've said there to be sort of true in my experience, especially in the context of the rollercoaster analogy. So when I'm not on ketosis, I do feel like sometimes I'm in a bit of a rollercoaster of like temptation, craving, etc. And then when I do ketosis and I get past the first week or two, the rollercoaster seems to stop. Right. I'm off the roller coaster.
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It's then maybe six, eight weeks later, you're busy, life happens, you're traveling, you're tired. That temptation creeps in and it just takes that one moment of weakness in my head to then fling me off ketosis and all my effort is gone.
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And in my head, the way I've always thought about it, and I'm sure this is wrong, but I've thought about it like it takes a couple of days to get into a state of ketosis. And then once you're in, and I usually get a headache on my way into ketosis. I feel a little bit bad on the way in. And then once I'm in there, it's fine.
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So when I have something that breaks my keto, this is what I refer to, me and my girlfriend talk about it, I've broken my keto or whatever. I think, oh my God, I've got to go through another headache and another five days of... you know, getting back into it. Is that correct?
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I guess most people don't even know what foods are included in a keto diet because most diets are restrictive to the point that people think they just make your life miserable. But what are the sort of big misconceptions you've seen with the foods you're able to eat on a ketogenic diet?
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Is ketosis a state? Is it like a binary state, like now I'm in ketosis and now I'm not?
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And what is your sort of academic and career experience? What's that? Can you run me through that sort of timeline?
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And when you say ketosis, again, you're not saying the keto diet. You're saying the low levels of glucose and insulin in the blood. And that can be achieved by calorie restriction, potentially fasting, I guess you could achieve it, and other diets like the Mediterranean diet if administered in the right sort of doses, right? Yeah.
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And you talked about children there. One of the big conversations at the moment around children is the rise in ADHD diagnosis. And there's a lot of different sort of thoughts on the causal factors of this and what is it that's making children be diagnosed at higher and higher rates with these sort of neurodivergent disorders.
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Is there any evidence to suggest that what we're eating is playing a role in these neurodivergent disorders?
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Because there's a change in the symptoms.
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So I just did some research to find some stats on this.
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Diet modification isn't widely prescribed as a way to alleviate ADHD symptoms, is it? As of 2019, major health organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics and the National Institute of Health and Care Excellence, do not recommend dietary modifications as standard treatment for ADHD due to insufficient evidence.
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A 2014 review found that elimination diets might offer minor benefits in a subset of children, particularly those with food sensitivities or allergies. However, these benefits are not substantial enough to advocate for widespread dietary changes in ADHD management.
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Mm-hmm.
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Can they all be treated by, because I was, I guess, technically diagnosed with ADHD, but I don't take any medication for it. It's a personal choice. I personally just don't think that the net impact it has on my life is worth taking any medication. I also have friends with ADHD who have significantly worse symptoms. When I say worse, I mean more pronounced symptoms than I do.
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And what does practicing psychiatry involve?
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So my personal decision was just not to take the medication. However, I sat here with a guy called Dr. Amen, who has a daughter who had ADHD. She got the medication and it turned her life around. Like she went on to become super successful, but was like struggling in school. So it's really difficult, isn't it? Because it's such a personalized sort of personal decision. And...
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Some people have it more extreme and in a way that makes their life more dysfunctional than others. You know, some of my friends do really say, they say, I took this medication for my ADHD or my attention issues, whatever. And it's been revolutionary for me. They just like, they just offload on me how profound it's been for them. So I guess it goes back to being a personal.
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And when did nutrition become part of your career?
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Has there been any studies on the link between the ketogenic diet and ADHD?
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Is it hard to establish cause and effect there? I was thinking about the diabetes one where if you've had ADHD, maybe your life has been harder. Again, I don't know what I'm talking about here, but maybe your life has been harder. And if your life has been harder, you're more likely to be obese, potentially, if you've had more stress and you've had a worse, more challenging job.
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And will a test be able to exclude these sort of confounding factors to the point that we'll know for sure?
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Or find the link in the description below. And for people that have food addictions and binge eating problems the ketogenic diet i guess it's knocking you off that roller coaster well being in a state of ketosis is knocking you off that roller coaster of craving eating craving eating craving eating is that accurate is that what it's doing
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The gentleman you mentioned in that case study a second ago, you referred to as Carl, which I guess is a cloaked name. He's the one that had the bipolar disorder?
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Okay. Tell me about Carl.
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Presumably there's like a significant social component to mental illnesses as well, right?
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That was in 2019, was it?
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How is he doing now?
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He didn't stay on the carnival diet.
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There's a couple of key things people always talk about when they hear the carnivore diet. The first is they say there's nutritional deficiencies to the diet that aren't sustainable. So if you eliminate certain food groups like fibers, vitamin Cs, vitamin E, magnesiums, etc., which are essential nutrients, then you're going to have problems.
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Like fiber?
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Oh, okay. But do you get fiber in a carnivore diet?
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So could you last on a true carnivore diet without getting some kind of like gut microbiome issue or some kind of – because you need fiber, right?
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I thought it was good for like digestion and your gut microbiome and stuff like that.
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A lot of people tell me that it prevents glucose going into the blood or something.
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So you don't need it?
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I read here fiber is traditionally considered essential for feeding beneficial gut bacteria and promoting regular bowel movements.
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Can someone exist on the carnivore diet, like the extreme version of the carnivore diet, for a long time without any supplementation?
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Many of the people that choose a keto diet do it for very sort of superficial reasons. Sure. I think it's probably one of the reasons why I do it once a year for a couple of weeks. Why does it help you to lose weight? Is that, again, just because of calorie restriction?
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I'm on Amazon now. It says sort of $50 or there's ones for $40 as well.
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One for $30 as well.
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Interesting. Okay. I think I'm going to try one. I've never actually done one before. So I guess I didn't really know if I was in ketosis or not, but I just...
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part of your work sort of overlays with psychology you know when someone comes to you and they've they're experiencing some anxiety or depression or something and they're describing their life and their life is full of trauma and hard things and they got fired from their job it seems a little bit peculiar to talk to them about diet in that moment it seems peculiar
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Do you ever think first about some kind of psychological prescription?
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So how do you approach that with your patients?
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Mm-hmm.
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Is there a particular case study that comes to mind when you think about this? Is there a most prominent case study or a first case study that was a eureka moment for you?
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As it relates to anxiety, what does the research say about the role that keto can play in reducing someone's anxiety?
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There's some studies that I just found. A 2023 systemic review examined the efficacy of low-carbohydrate ketogenic diets in treating mood and anxiety disorders. The review highlighted potential benefits but emphasized the necessity for randomized controlled trials to establish definitive conclusions. That was the Cambridge University Press.
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And slightly separate to that, on serious mental illnesses, I think you talk about this in your work as well,
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A 2024 pilot study conducted by Stanford Medicine investigated the effects of a ketogenic diet on participants with schizophrenia and bipolar, and participants reported improvements in energy, sleep, mood, and quality of life, suggesting that ketogenic diet may stabilize brain functions and serious mental illnesses as well. Really, really fascinating. Really fascinating.
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I never really thought about the ketogenic diet's impact on my mental health. I used to think, I'll be honest, the reason I do it is it helps me become more focused. It changes my body composition. And really at the end of the year for me, or at the start of the year, it's a nice way to kind of reset. That's kind of how I see it. I want to come into the year feeling good and strong and focused.
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So I do it over sort of Christmas, New Year, January time, every year with my partner. But I never really considered the downstream consequences, things like mental health and those other things. But it makes sense. We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for.
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And the question that's been left for you is, what would you say to someone who wanted to have less regret and more contentment and peace on their deathbed?
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Thank you. Thank you for writing this book because it's such a comprehensive analysis of this. poorly understood link between the things we put in our mouth and the impact it has on our mind holistically. I don't think enough people, especially if we think back decades, even thought to really uncover this sort of link.
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I never, I think before even starting this podcast, never really understood the concept of metabolic psychiatry and that there was an association between the two. The great thing about your book is that you don't need to be a scientist to understand it.
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It's clearly written for people like me who don't have a profound knowledge of science and medicine and psychiatry, but are able to learn and advance the decisions we make just by reading your book. It has been such a smash hit for so many people. I was looking at some of the reviews earlier on and people really, really love it. You wrote it, you published it this year, January?
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And I highly recommend anyone that is intrigued by any of the subject matters that we spoke about today to go and get a copy. I'll link it below. And it has some extraordinary people on the back who, some of which I've interviewed, at least one of which I've interviewed in Jason. Is there anything else you wanted to say about who this book is for?
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A powerful plan to improve mood, overcome anxiety, and protect memory for a lifetime of optimal mental health. Thank you so much for the work that you do.
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Which diet was that?
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I was thinking a lot about this over Christmas and New Year's. I sat down with one of my best friends and said to him, I said, what exercise and what thing do you dislike the most? And we basically made a list of them. And then we started doing those things.
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It was actually running and it was leg day. And squatting. It also made me, because when I asked him why he didn't do those things, the list of reasons he gave were things like, my legs aren't, insert excuse, my brain, insert excuse. And we both came to realize together that that was just a bunch of bullshit that we had like made our identities and it was now limiting us.
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Are there things like that in your life that you just...
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One of the things you must have figured out from all the content you've produced across all these channels is really like the essence of what people want. Because you'll see from the views and the engagement and these things, you'll build this sort of mental pattern of, okay, people are really interested in this.
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So if you had to summarize for me the essence of what you think people are looking for, and when I say the essence, I mean like the why, why, why, why, why, the very bottom of that. What are those things? Oh, I think, I think,
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I heard this quote many years ago, it says, change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of making a change. And I was thinking, if you were my trainer, and I was one of those stubborn people who were struggling to get the ball rolling, where would you start with me? Like, what would you do if I was super stubborn? I tried for three years, I'd never made it stick.
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But clearly there was health consequences playing out in my body. Where would you start with me to get me going?
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What about the very top then? Like how does it manifest like the title of the video or the thing?
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Jeff Cavalier is the physical therapist and strength coach trusted by the NFL, MLB, WWE, and even Sylvester Stallone. He's built a global reputation for science-based training that delivers. What do people want?
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I've kind of broken everything you've said into three sections, which is people want to look good. They want to perform in whatever that might be. And they also want to be able to do it for a long time. They want to live long. So if we start with looking good as a top line category, what are the things that you think are the subcategories of looking good? The amount of fat.
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What is the difference you see between what men say they want versus what women say they want? What do men come to you and say that they want to?
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In terms of the mission that you're on in particular and how your perspective differs from other people out there in the market, what is it that you think makes your perspective different, unique, and more important potentially than a lot of the perspectives out there as it relates to how to build up our muscles, how to have a strong, healthy body, and how to prolong our health span?
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So let's start with fat and lean. If I want to be lean like you and I want to have low body fat, where does one begin?
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What do you think are some of the offenders that we don't realize are offenders? I've had so many in my life, even like ketchup.
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I thought white rice was great. Yeah.
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Is that suboptimal?
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Why not the morning?
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I'm very much the same. I probably eat a bit too late. I train a bit too late, et cetera. And as I'm listening to you, I'm almost listening to myself. And I know the rebuttal is that, well, Stephen, if you went to bed earlier and you ate earlier, then you'd wake up and you'd be able to train in the morning.
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I'm very similar to you. I wake up late. And if I wake up late, then I feel fine. But if you try and wake me up at 7 o'clock, the chances are that I went to bed maybe at midnight or 1 a.m. So there's not enough sleep taking place there, but... Having worn this whoop for a while, who are a sponsor, I'm an investor in the company, hashtag ADA, hashtag ASA.
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One of the things I came to learn was that when I eat close to the time I go to sleep, my body isn't actually asleep because I could see my resting heart rate so high through the night. So my body's actually just working on the food, so it's not restoring my body. So one of my goals for this year is to try and not eat after 9 p.m.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
On this point of being lean, one of the things people are most obsessed with getting rid of is sleep.
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lower belly fat this stubborn belly fat that occurs right right there right there on our little mannequin here you don't have a pouch that's what we call it me and my friends we call it a pouch um we can be you know very lean elsewhere but still have a little bit of a pouch there some people think doing sit-ups is the way to get rid of that stubborn belly fat what is the answer in your view
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Is the game of weight loss basically calories in, calories out? I just need to have less calories than I burn?
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You know, sometimes you see older bodybuilders, like former bodybuilders, and they kind of look a bit bloated.
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That's the organs growing underneath.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
And people do that at a variety of different ages now. I think even people that aren't training to be bodybuilders, I can think of several people that I'm aware of who have started taking like TRT and growth hormones pretty young. And I'm actually seeing a little bit of that same body shape. I don't even know what it is, but...
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Have you ever taken TRT? No, no. Would you ever?
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What about let's do living long then? When we think about longevity and what it's going to take for me to live a long time but be strong into my later years, what areas do I need to focus on training and staying strong? And where do I need to invest my energy and time?
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Wow.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
Is cardiovascular in there?
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
Do you think people realize that that's so important? And do you think they enjoy it?
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
And you became a certified strength and conditioning specialist as well?
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
How much work have I got to put in to become more flexible and to improve my mobility? Not much.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
You say that there are five key exercises you need to be able to maximize your longevity and quality of life that kind of dovetail into this. The single leg Romanian deadlift, the squat and reach, the sumo stance hold, the posterior chain pushup and hip abductions. Can you show me these workouts?
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And over the last 25 years since you got that certification, who have you worked with? Who have you helped? And how many people?
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
What's the Mets for you?
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This one change has transformed how my team and iMove train and think about our bodies. When Dr. Daniel Lieberman came on the Diary of a CEO, he explained how modern shoes, with their cushioning and support, are making our feet weaker and less capable of doing what nature intended them to do. We've lost the natural strength and mobility in our feet, and this is leading to issues like back pain,
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and knee pain. I'd already purchased a pair of Vivo barefoot shoes, so I showed them to Daniel Lieberman and he told me that they were exactly the type of shoe that would help me restore natural foot movement and rebuild my strength. But I think it was plantar fasciitis that I had where suddenly my feet started hurting all the time.
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And after that, I decided to start strengthening my own foot by using the Vivo barefoot. And research from Liverpool University has backed this up. They've shown that wearing Vivo barefoot shoes for six months can increase foot strength by up to 60%. Visit vivobarefoot.com slash DOAC and use code DIARY20 from my sponsor for 20% off. A strong body starts with strong feet.
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And what is the context there with those workouts? Why do you choose those workouts and what do these kind of signal? Are you saying that if I'm able to do those, then there's a probability that I have the strength and flexibility conducive with longevity?
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When I look at someone like you and I see these bulging muscles and I see how lean you are, it's very easy to fall into the trap of thinking, well, you were just born with extreme motivation and that's why you are the way that you are.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
Yeah, I got another like 20%. Right.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
You see it as well. You see when people get older, they look stiff and they kind of look robotic. Awful.
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Because I thought that aging and then basically turning into that right angle was just inevitable. Because you see it in so many older people, they often are like bent over. And you kind of think, well, why don't they just stand up?
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Yeah.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
What have I got to be doing then at my age? I'm in my early 30s now. What have I got to be doing now to make sure that when I get older, I'm not hunched over and I do have that full range of mobility?
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So if I just did five or 10 minutes a day of some of these drills, you think the net impact over time would be pretty profound?
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
And is it important for me to train for a long time or for a more intense but shorter period? How do you think about that?
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What about the importance of form when we're training? It's one of the things you're known for is emphasizing that form really matters. And there might be another school of thought that says, listen, it hurts, so it must be doing something. People think that a lot. They think, well, listen, my muscles are hurting, so clearly it worked.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
You must deal with so many people that are struggling that come to you and they say, listen, I've got these big goals. I'm overweight. I don't feel good. I've got diabetes here, cardiovascular problem here, inflammation here. And they say to you that they want to change. You know, you can see it in their face. They're desperate, but they don't change for whatever reason.
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This is just jumping a bit backwards, but a conversation I had with one of my friends the other day was about nerd neck. And is there a consequence to the fact that we all walk around now staring downwards? Like for this whole conversation, I'll be looking up at you, but most of the time I'm also staring downwards at my notes and stuff.
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And if I'm not here, then I'm on my phone and I'm staring downwards. And we spend most of our lives now staring downwards. And I just wondered how you think about that.
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You've made a lot of videos that pertain to injuries, common injuries that we get when we're working out and training. What are the most common but avoidable injuries and how do I avoid them? Because I care a lot about this now that I'm getting older. In fact, as we sit here, as I said to you, I've pulled some ligaments in my...
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ankle and i was at the physio yesterday and i've been on crutches and i've got this big boot i have to wear and it's not until you get injured that you realize how imperative it was for you to avoid this yeah because it puts you for me it's completely changes my whole it changes my whole life not only can't i like just move through a space normally but then i can't train i'm gonna get weaker it's gonna have an impact on my metabolic health it's
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my cognition and everything downstream. So I go, okay, I should actually have an injury prevention program. So what are the most commonly occurring injuries and what advice would you give me to avoid injuries?
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them let's see so first of all i take personal offense to you calling yourself old at 32 i don't know what that makes me but i feel like a uh the crypt keeper but you just start to like you do though when i was a kid playing soccer i could play for three four hours i didn't stretch and i was fine these days i i have a hundred percent injury rate if i don't stretch and if i don't warm up and if i don't really really think about it a hundred percent injury rate i'm like interesting i'm on my way downhill you know
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Or do you not do lunches? I don't do many lunches.
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So what do you do then? If I was saying to you, I want to have a comprehensive workout and you're designing my seven day workout plan, what would you give me to do?
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What's push? When you say push, someone doesn't know.
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Okay.
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And then Sunday, Sunday I'm a break.
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Where would I be doing my cardiovascular work in this, in this particular week?
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And you don't put the cardio on the same day as the upper body legs workouts?
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If we think just about Monday, which we had down as the push day, so that's me doing chest and is it... Triceps and shoulders. How many, if I'm training for one hour, how many reps are you trying to do per muscle and how many like sets?
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skull crushers or nose breakers if we just take bicep for as an example how often do i need to train and how intense do i need to train the bicep for it to grow and conversely if i just left my bicep alone how long would it take for me to lose the muscle yeah interesting so um
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You have this contraption on the desk in front of us. This thing here. Yeah. So many people talk to me about this device, and it's quite strange how important people say that this device is and what it tells us. I was doing some reading beforehand. It's a grip strength device. reader monitor. And there's some really crazy stats that I found.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
There was a 2015 Lancet study across 17 countries that found for every five kilogram decrease in grip strength, it was associated with a 16% high risk of death, a 17% high risk of heart disease, and a 7% high risk of stroke. And a 2018 study in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease found that people with low grip strength had a 68% high risk of developing Alzheimer's.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
There was another study that linked it to other cardiovascular and blood issues. And another study that shows that older adults in the lowest third of grip strength were 2.5 times more likely to fall and be hospitalized with their injuries. And one study found that grip strength predicted upper body strength by 70%.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
And lastly, adults over 65 with weak grip strength were 2.1 times more likely to become dependent in daily activities within three years. That was in the Journal of... Gerontology, grip strength.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
So it's not the strength in which we can grip that matters necessarily, but... the thing that matters is upstream from that and downstream is our ability to grip. So it's just one, it's almost like a symptom of something upstream, which is positive.
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Left and right. All right, let's see. I'm going to ask some of my team members if they want to give it a shot. All right, here we go. Wow. 130 on that side. And your left side? Let's see. Anyone else want to do it better?
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110.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
But you want to try? Sure. But you're most certainly way stronger than me.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
But you're stronger than me at bicep curls, bench press, everything else.
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All the time people say to me, they say, can you mentor me? Can you get this person to mentor me? How do I find a mentor? So here is what we're going to do. You're going to send me a question. And the most popular question you send me, I'm going to text it to 100 CEOs, some of which are the top CEOs in the world running $100 billion companies.
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And then I'm going to reply to you via email with how they answered that question. You might say, how do you hold on to a relationship when you're building a startup? What is the most important thing if I've got an idea and don't know where to start? We email it to the CEOs. They email back. We take the five, six top best answers. We email it to you.
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I was nervous because I thought the marketing might not match the reality. But then I saw what the founders were replying with and their willingness to reply. And I thought, actually, this is really good. And all you've got to do is sign up completely free. And can I train my grip strength individually if I wanted to improve it as an individual thing when I just have to grip?
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The other thing I wanted to talk to you about, which we've touched on briefly, but I think is important to talk about because I don't think people realize how prevalent it is, is back pain. I was looking at some stats beforehand and it says that 80% of people will experience back pain at some point in their lives. It's actually the leading cause of disability worldwide.
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And in the UK, over 10 million work days are lost every year due to back pain. One in six hospital visits in Britain are related to back pain. It's the most common reason for people under 45 to see a doctor. And chronic back pain, which is sort of just enduring back pain, affects about one in five adults in the UK. And there's five of us in this room now in total.
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and so one of us probabilistically is going to have chronic back pain is this something one can avoid i asked this in part because i spoke to some i think the anthropologists who go and look at the tribes in africa and they find that back pain just doesn't exist there it's not a thing i think the likelihood that you're going to experience back pain at some point in your life is is high but that recurring back pain that chronic back pain i think that's that's entirely avoidable um
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When you think about all the many millions of people that have watched your videos, I mean, it's actually billions of people that have watched your videos and consumed your content. you must hear a lot of different types of spark. When I say spark, I mean the moment in someone's life where something happened and it stuck, it finally stuck. What are the kind of things that you hear?
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This strikes me as what they call a mismatch disease or a mismatch. issue. When they say mismatch issue, they mean that there's a way that we're living our lives these days that is at odds with how we were quote unquote supposed to live or how our ancestors lived. And it's interesting because I've interviewed David Richarlan, who is an anthropologist, but also Daniel Lieberman.
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So if I was one of those people struggling to get the ball rolling, where would you start with me? I would start with... And I'm not done yet. Lower belly fat. How do I get rid of that?
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They both spent time with the Hadza tribe in West Africa. And the shocking thing for me is I was assuming that the reason why we get back issues and the Hadza tribe don't really get them is because we spend a lot of time like just sedentary. However,
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David Richarlan said that the Hadza tribe still spend 10 hours a day in resting postures, but they maintain a straight J-shaped spine, not the curved S-shaped spine common in the West. They squat, they walk, they carry loads a lot, and they aren't in chairs. They're doing more active motions.
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Now, you know, I spend a lot of time sat down, whether it's at a desk doing this or whether it's in an office. I'm wondering from your experience if you thought –
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What about, let's talk about supplementation. I've got a bunch of supplements here with me now.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
And there's so much said about supplementation, but if you were to give me some advice and guide me on what supplements you think I should be taking every day, frequently, versus the ones that maybe aren't so important, but also just like the call outs of, you know, I saw this thing on Twitter going viral the other day where someone had screenshotted the top creatines on a certain website.
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And then they had tested them in a lab and found that a lot of them weren't actually creatine in the doses that they'd said and in the form that they were selling. So I now have this skepticism around the supplements I'm taking. I've got some supplements here. I've got some more on the floor. What supplements do you think we should all be taking? And explain to me why.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
Creatine has become all the rage recently, it seems. I was looking at some Google search data, and it shows just how quickly in search volume creatine is increasing from the early 2020s to 2025. Now it's exploding.
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Also, the other thing that I think has happened, and I did a little test in my office a couple of months back where I asked who in the team took creatine. And every hand that raised was a man. And I asked the women in my office why they didn't take creatine and the overarching sort of misconception, which also my girlfriend told me about when we were in Cape Town a couple of years ago.
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And I said, baby, you should take creatine. Everyone on my podcast is talking about it. And she was like, no, it's going to make me. I think, yeah, she saw it as a steroid. Yeah. She was like, it's what bodybuilders take.
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And there's lots of different types of creatine, right? There's like gummies now. There's monohydrate. There's all kinds of creatines. Over New Year's, again, I was looking at different types of creatine. So I went to the shop, and this sounds crazy, but I bought like 30 types, and I just started researching it. better form of creatine. And there's some creatines which aren't so good, i.e.
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ones that have many things added to them, etc.
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What's all this stuff about loading? Because when I was younger, my brother was bodybuilding. He would tell me that you had to load up.
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I had to have a huge dosage for a week and then thereafter go back to a low dosage.
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The Truth About Creatine, Belly Fat, and Getting Shredded! Jeff Cavaliere (The Muscle Expert)
And what about the proteins I've got here?
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What are some foods that you would just absolutely never let go near your mouth? The real ones where if your kids asked or, you know, you just say, there's no way we're eating that.
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calories in calories out but surely you say that there are five key exercises to maximize your longevity and quality of life can you show me these workouts sure and then why did you bring the skeleton with you with the bow tie this is raymond and i use him to show one of the most fascinating areas of training that has yet to be uncovered
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What about melatonin? I've got a little jar of it here that I found. A lot of people are taking melatonin now, and I've got a friend very close to me that's encouraging me to take melatonin. Do you have a view on it?
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Have you thought much about how we're supposed to sleep? We talked about lower back, back pains, et cetera. Is there an optimal way to sleep? Am I meant to sleep on my front, my back, my side? So again, I think this is individual.
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Jeff, what's the most important thing we haven't talked about that we should have talked about as it relates to health, fitness, longevity, and I guess just more broadly, just living a good life?
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Jeff, thank you for doing what you do because as I said to you before we started recording, you've been the go-to resource for me over the years. And in fact, whenever I've got a challenge, whether it's like how to build my triceps or how to avoid an injury or other challenges relating to strength or longevity, all these kinds of things,
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I'm always happy when I find your videos because you're someone that everybody trusts. You're someone that presents the information in a really, really clear visual way. You know, you're famous for drawing on your own body, showing how the muscles sort of extend and where the muscles are and the range of motion. But you've helped me for free for a long, long time. Like, I think probably a decade.
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I think I spent about 10 years... as you being my sort of personal trainer. And because this information is free and it's on YouTube, you would have helped literally billions of people. I mean, I was looking at your channel. I think you've got almost 3 billion views.
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It might even be more now just on that one channel alone than the clips and everything else and how that's inspired other people to become trainers on YouTube. So on behalf of all of those people, but also on behalf of me, just thank you so much for doing what you do. We have a closing tradition where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for.
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And the question that has been left for you is, what would you change about you first and secondly? Now, answer, why haven't you?
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You've got to give me two, it says, first and secondly.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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Within that is what I was thinking about how that guy who wouldn't put that 100-pound kettlebell down, for him it was actually about a story he wanted to tell to himself. It's something that he wanted to do for... Reasons that are much more about one's identity and one's self-story, as we call it.
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And on that particular point, it's one of the things that I often think about with fitness and working out is if I can be the guy that grabs the keys that day when I don't feel like it, then how that permeates through the rest of my life and how I show up in the rest of my life when there's things I don't want to do.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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And how that then shapes me over time into somebody who is able to have the difficult conversation, is able to confront the thing, I think is like really understated. I actually was reading this, I think Andrew Huberman told me this. He said that neuroscience has found a part of the brain which is associated with doing hard things.
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And I think he said basically that that part of the brain, and I'll put this up on the screen, grows the more hard things that you do. So you basically build the muscle of being able to do hard things.
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And the minute I learned that, I went, oh, this makes a lot of sense because the more I was able to make the workout stick and the health and fitness stick, and now my diet is like, as we sit here now, is extremely disciplined. I've changed as a person in other areas of my life. I've got more organized with my possessions and my...
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There's also various types of therapy that make you kind of recount the events and then they ask you questions about it. You're saying that you don't feel like those approaches are optimal because they just keep you in that circuit of reliving the emotion.
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Let me give an example then from my life, because this will make it really specific. So when I was young, something I've talked about on the show, but it's just an example that allows me to think through your approach, My mum and dad argued a lot, and I would watch my mother in particular spend a lot of time shouting at my dad. My dad didn't really respond. He was very passive.
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And it made me feel a certain way as a young child, which meant that when I grew up, I just wanted to avoid women at all costs in terms of romantic commitment. Because I was almost reliving the emotion of imprisonment that I observed in my father.
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So I felt like when a girl was interested in me throughout all of my teen years, throughout my early 20s, even if I was interested in her, the minute we came to commitment, I'd get that feeling like I was signing up for prison and I would reject her. Now, I got an insight into this by writing in my diary, actually from doing this podcast, because I used to do it on my own, just solo episodes.
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And I could see a pattern. I could see that someone asks me to commit. I get this weird feeling. I reject them. And then I asked myself, where did that weird feeling come from in your past? And I remembered, oh, that's how I felt watching my father and my mum when she would just scream at him for long periods of time. I had the insight, but...
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. Thank you so much for your time. How do you define, when someone asks you, what it is you do?
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which was somewhat useful, but you're right in that it didn't necessarily stop the feeling.
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Yeah.
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That first, is the first step insight? Like, is this a sequential multi-step process to change? Yeah.
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Is there a practice or a system or a process? Yeah, yeah.
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And what is it you're drawing upon? What experiences, what studies, what research are you drawing upon to give the world these solutions?
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And what awareness comes out of that state? So if I'm looking to change my life because, you know, I'm continually performing habits that are not optimal, you know, I want to be married and have a family and I want to be productive in my work and I want to go to the gym and et cetera. And my life is just in this horrible cycle of the same old, same old, same old. And I feel shit about myself.
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I know what I say I want, but I feel shit about myself. What's going to emerge from that process of deep meditation in terms of awareness?
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I've seen thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of testimonials of people saying, Joe Dispenza changed my life. I mean, I've got one at home, right? I've got a testimonial that I live with. I'm sorry.
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No, honestly, I love it because she's so, she's probably back there somewhere, but she's so passionate and inquisitive and curious that I almost vicariously am benefiting from the work and research she's doing. And she's bringing things into our relationship in life that are making it more
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rich and full and i have a certain perspective which i wouldn't naturally go into that world and even with breathwork and the other things that she's brought into our relationship i wouldn't have naturally gone there so it's super useful but there must be instances where you've met someone and you've tried to help them and you've been unsuccessful of course and why don't those people change because i'm assuming that you think most people can change they have the propensity to change
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Why does it not work sometimes?
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You used the word earlier on, the word identity. And I've been pondering over the last couple of weeks whether identity is useful, because this is a really trivial example, but I've told myself for a long time, I don't like running. And this Christmas I decided that it's probably important for me to take on some of these limiting beliefs I have. So I just started running.
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And in doing so, in going through the pain of like, oh, my legs hurt, whatever, I had this sort of realization that like, what other areas of my life have I just created a story that is closing in on me and making my life more narrow and in terms of how I think or like my health or whatever.
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And so for the last couple of weeks, I've been thinking about this concept of identity, like what it is, why we create one and how harmful or positive it might be to all of us.
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So does that mean that if I do want to change and I need that kind of escape velocity from my old self, the why, the reason... must be abundantly clear and incredibly strong. So if I'm making a New Year's resolution, I'm not going to just say, listen, I want this New Year's resolution because I think people will think better of me if I have it.
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It's got to be so deep in my core and I've got to be so clear and be able to articulate the reason why this matters to me for it to stand a chance.
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You also have a lot of case studies of, I was reading a lot of them from army veterans and people that have been through pretty horrific experiences in the army. I was reading a story of Joshua, who was an army veteran who I believe came to one of your events and took part in your meditation and described it in his own words as his heart cracked wide open. What happened with Joshua?
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Because that's a good example of personal transformation. Well, um...
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Yeah. And the before and after of Joshua.
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Someone like Joshua has been through so much in their life where an objective observer would say it is warranted that they might be living in a state of victimhood. How important is it to forgive?
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when we think about forgiving people that have wronged us, our dad when we were younger, that person at work, the boss that fired us, or even something that happened that's significantly worse, it almost feels like a justification or an acceptance of what happened to us, which makes it feel like there's an injustice in the world. Like if I forgive that person, I'm letting them off.
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Do you think we should always forgive everybody in all circumstances?
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There is a chronic stress in society that seems to be going in one direction. It seems to be going up and up and up. And I was wondering if that ties into the subject of burdens we're carrying from our past that are keeping us elevated in ways that are suboptimal.
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Yeah. And it has a big impact on your immune system. I've noticed that when I'm in a state of prolonged reaction, negative reaction to something, it only takes a couple more days for me to get a flu or a cold or something. And I'm like, bloody hell. Because I don't get sick often. So I think I get sick, kind of like I am now, maybe twice a year. And so it's very easy. It's almost like a shock.
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And then it's very easy for me to trace my steps and see what brought me here. So this happened. My response was this. Eight days later, I felt my immune system go. Because I get sick so rarely, it's so unbelievably clear what happened to me. There's no like, oh, I touched something and then the germs got in my mouth. For me, it's so clear in my life.
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So yeah, that's kind of what I want to do is I want to stop that happening.
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Health is a huge focus for me in 2025. And I'm not just talking about eating right and exercising, I'm talking about my recovery too. I'm halfway through 60 workouts in 60 days. And to help my body recover, I've been using a health gadget that I've shared with you before. They're a sponsor of this podcast and their product has such a huge impact on my recovery.
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I'm referring to my Bond Charge infrared sauna blanket. These are similar to the infrared saunas that you see in gyms and spas, but the big difference is that it's portable.
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I started the year off at my home in South Africa so I brought the blanket with me and I used it most nights before bed when I was training hard and it helped me relax, it helped my muscles feel less sore and I wake up feeling more recovered. It works by heating up your body directly rather than just the air around you to improve circulation and reduce stiffness.
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I've also noticed that it's had a big impact on my skin as well. And thankfully, Bond Charge has offered me 25% off for my listeners. So if you use code DIARY at checkout, you'll also get free shipping and a year-long warranty. Head to bondcharge.com slash diary. What about routine in all of this? Is there value in having a strong routine?
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Because then when the winds blow, at least I'm anchored by something.
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To rewire their minds and create long-lasting change. If I'm looking to change my life because it's in this horrible cycle of the same old, same old, and I feel about myself, what do I need to know?
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You talked earlier about brain-heart coherence. It's a term that I've not heard before. I didn't know that there was a connection between my brain and my heart. Oh, there's a definite connection between your brain and heart.
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Hundreds of millions of people have been drawn to you for their own reasons. My partner is one of them. My girlfriend, she has attended your events. She's one of your biggest fans in the world and she's experienced her own transformation as a product of attending your events. But also last conversation.
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If I look at the top comments, it's just a string of testimonials from people who have been engaged with your work for decades, who have had personal transformation in their life and their family. What is the essence of why people come to you? Like, if you think about the hundreds of millions of people that have interacted with your work, what do they have in common?
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If you do like MDMA or something, does that put you into some of these brainwaves? I'm wondering if any psychedelics are inducing of these states.
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On this theta wave, you were talking about how that's really where a lot of the reprogramming can happen. So do I... need to be in that state and then be exposed to some kind of stimulus sound? Good question.
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I remember reading a study of Wim Hof, the Iceman, where they injected him with a virus. And I think they injected other people with the virus. And through his breath work and meditations and whatever else he did, the virus didn't infect him, but it infected the other people. And then I think in the study, he trained other people to be able to reject the virus as well.
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And all of this kind of sounds a little bit woo-woo to the average person, because to think that you can do something to prevent a virus infecting you I mean, it blows the doors open to like personal responsibility and, you know, which is troubling for people, I think.
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And that is where you keep referencing the term advanced meditator, because you don't say normal meditators.
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At these retreats, these seven-day retreats, one of the things I was pretty shocked by was the amount of time people spend meditating. How long do people spend meditating and why is that important?
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That's the experience that I can profess to be true in my own relationship in life because my partner came back from the meditations. She came back from the week in Miami where she was doing the walking meditations down the beach and so on. And it didn't stop there.
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In fact, that was really the start of her journey because every morning now she has this new routine where she meditates in the morning. And no one's telling her to do that. But clearly the benefit has been so great for her that... that she's continued the practice, and she does it every day.
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I'm so amazed by it, because it takes a certain... I was going to say the word discipline, but it's not discipline, because if you're so clear on the benefit of an action, you don't necessarily need discipline. It's just clearly done so much for her that she's continued to do it thereafter. And it's funny, because obviously she came back from it. I was supposed to attend, I had a visa issue.
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She came back from it and told me... about the process and her recounting it like objectively, you go, God, that must have been hard and uncomfortable or that must have been whatever. But her experience was very much the opposite. It was joyous, it was filling. She came back so unbelievably obsessed with this new set of sort of systems and information that could better her life.
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And it's really profound. Like you can hear it on a podcast, but then when you kind of witness it in someone, someone you know well and love, it's incredibly persuasive.
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And you'll get out of want. Use that term a few times.
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Is there a bug in our minds or in our society or within culture that stands in the way of our ability to change? And I think as I asked that question, what I'm really trying to get at is there's a culture that's emerged almost like a bit of a trauma culture where we kind of explain who we are based on what's happened to us. And it seems to be justified.
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My concern when I hear that is, well, Joe, if I no longer want, if I no longer live in a state of want, am I going to have the motivation to get up and go? Because I look at my life and go, well, it was your creating from a place of lack that motivated you to start a podcast and to start run businesses and do all of these things and get a car and whatever else.
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This one change has transformed how my team and iMove train and think about our bodies. When Dr. Daniel Lieberman came on the Diary of a CEO, he explained how modern shoes, with their cushioning and support, are making our feet weaker and less capable of doing what nature intended them to do. We've lost the natural strength and mobility in our feet, and this is leading to issues like back pain,
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and knee pain. I'd already purchased a pair of Vivo barefoot shoes so I showed them to Daniel Lieberman and he told me that they were exactly the type of shoe that would help me restore natural foot movement and rebuild my strength.
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But I think it was plantar fasciitis that I had where suddenly my feet started hurting all the time and after that I decided to start strengthening my own foot by using the Vivo barefoot. And research from Liverpool University has backed this up. They've shown that wearing Vivo barefoot shoes for six months can increase foot strength by up to 60%.
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This thing happened when I was a kid and that's why I am this way. Is that approach to viewing our trauma productive or unproductive? And is it a problem?
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Because people are going to hear you say that and they're going to say, I wonder what he means by the quantum.
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And again, it all starts with getting out of the future and the past and into the...
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It's quite a compelling idea that I might be addicted to negative emotions or emotions that aren't productive to me in any way, even as an idea.
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If I know it's bad for me, like no one wants to feel sad. So why am I choosing to feel sad? There's nothing wrong with feeling sad. It's just how long do you want to stay there? Or angry or fearful. I don't want to feel that.
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Joe, what is the most important question based on all of your work and all that you do and all that you're thinking about at this exact moment and the subject of change and transformation that I should have asked you?
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Is it possible that the human nervous system manufactures a pharmacy of chemicals that works better than any drug, Joe?
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Is that because of some of the sort of techniques and the processes you go through at the event? Is it because of the connection of a group of people coming together and synchronizing and oxytocin? Is it all of the above?
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When you say all of this and you talk about this relationship between the body and the mind, it keeps making me wonder about your beliefs of a higher power or a God. Because it all sounds, I mean, the more and more I learn about the body and how interconnected it is, it all sounds just mystical. It's the only way to describe it.
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So I wondered as you were speaking, I wrote down on my little iPad here, I said, does Joe believe in God?
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What does that mean?
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Thank you so much for the work that you do. It's a perfect sort of...
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combination of all the things that i think i care about but also i think my audience care about and if they are looking to go deeper beyond this podcast i would highly recommend them trying to get a ticket to one of your events very hard to get tickets to your events so good luck to you but i would highly recommend they go to your website and they can see a full list of events that you have coming up there
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Because it can be, as I've learned from my partner, truly transformational in ways that maybe will surprise them, if you can.
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I need to do it. It's been something on my mind.
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I know, I know. I see the impact you had on Mel, my girlfriend, and I'm jealous of it. It's the best way to describe it. Nice.
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The hardest conversations are often the ones we avoid. But what if you had the right question to start them with? Every single guest on the Diary of a CEO has left behind a question in this diary. And it's a question designed to challenge, to connect and to go deeper with the next guest. And these are all the questions that I have here in my hand.
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On one side, you've got the question that was asked, the name of the person who wrote it. And on the other side, if you scan that, you can watch the person who came after who answered it. 51 questions split across three different levels, the warm-up level, the open-up level and the deep level. So you decide how deep the conversation goes.
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And people play these conversation cards in boardrooms at work, in bedrooms, alone at night. and on first dates, and everywhere in between. I'll put a link to the conversation cards in the description below, and you can get yours at thediary.com. This has always blown my mind a little bit. 53% of you that listen to this show regularly haven't yet subscribed to this show.
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We'll listen to your feedback, we'll find the guests that you want me to speak to, and we'll continue to do what we do. Thank you so much.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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I really want to focus in on what it is we're getting wrong when we're trying to treat trauma in modern society. Because I see all of these retreats that are like inner child healing. And they kind of take you back to when you were a young child, the thing that happened to you, whatever happened in your life. and they kind of walk you back through it.
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Another point for founders who are getting their work copied. Because everything you've just said actually should give a founder who's having their work copied, their t-shirt designs, their content copied, huge amount of peace.
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Because if I need to know steps one, two, three, four, five, up the staircase to success to be able to predict step six, then if someone's just copying your step five, you should be at total peace because they don't know. Yeah. the foundations that would lead to the next step. And that's what we see as podcasters. Podcasters copy you, they'll copy your thumbnail, your title, your whatever.
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Yeah, yeah. But the piece that I have is, honestly, I say to the team all the time, if that's the thing that makes us special, we're fucked anyway. Like if it's the thumbnail or the this or the how we do this, if it's the trailer that made us special, we're fucked anyway. But also there's a set of principles. We call it the iceberg. The 99% of what we do, you can't see.
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It's the culture, as you said.
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Amen. I have nothing more to add. The last thing I want to talk to you about is, it's really like a three-part thing. It's hard work, love, and happiness. And I put them together intentionally. One could say work-life balance, love, happiness. I think these things are kind of fundamentally intertwined. But how do you think about it? You're someone that's known as being very obsessive.
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um very into your work to say the least um you have a wonderful partner who seems to be aligned i know oh super okay good she's hardcore so let's go through it work-life balance hard work love and happiness okay if we start with work-life balance it was that shit question beliefs on it yeah
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And then die? Mm-hmm.
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The goal clearly for you then is the hard work itself and not a certain place you're trying to get to necessarily.
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Yeah.
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Earlier on when we were talking about... Sorry, that was a long rant. No, it was beautiful. So a couple of takeaways from it. But earlier on we were talking about being a great content creator is a byproduct of having the courage to be yourself. And from that, everything you just said... My soliloquy. Yeah, I also gleaned something similar, which is...
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being happy requires the same thing, which is the courage to be yourself. And in both, in the previous analogy, you said everybody is unique and that is their value as it relates to showing up in marketing or with whatever product they have.
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But also when I think about Alex's story, your story, and all you went through with your father and the early experiences in that consultancy firm, the gym, the fur place you worked, logically from first principles, the thing that's gonna make you happy because you are completely unique, is going to be completely different from everybody else.
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Like, to varying degrees, depending on how you're sort of defining your early experiences are. But I actually think we talked about the courage of being yourself. There's also the courage of being happy.
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And with the courage of being happy, you have to withstand public pressure, the shoulds you said from your parents, whatever, from social media, especially as you become a bigger creator, to actually just listen to how you feel every day.
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What you also said is that in the face of guaranteed misery, any option is better. Yeah, it's real. You get to live once. So why would guaranteed misery be better than any available option?
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Alex, thank you. That was such a beautiful way to end. It's so interesting because if people attack you for that, I just wanted to give my own perspective. When I hear you say these things about not enjoying holidays and things about your relationship with Leila and how that happens, for me, I feel even if I don't agree with 100%, I probably get to 95% to be honest with you.
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The fact that you're telling me that you're different makes my difference, whatever it might be, feel acceptable. Do you know what I'm saying?
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Because when I heard you say these things and I go, oh my God, Alex feels like he's different from the normal two. We might not be, me and Alex aren't the same, but we both feel inherently like we're... not playing by the rules and therefore in some way getting life wrong based on this like public narrative of the way we should live our lives. I thought, oh, amazing.
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I remember watching the video where you talked about not liking going on holidays and being like absolutely obsessed and me thinking, oh my God, I'm so fucking glad he said that. Because deep in my heart somewhere, I felt a guilt.
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A guilt. And I'm like, where did the guilt come from? Right. I'm doing it something that I love every single day, but I feel guilty. Well, I feel guilty because of other people's shoulds, right? So please, Alex, despite any critics that might be out there, please continue to have the courage to be yourself.
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Because you have no idea how it's making a group of weirdos that feel like they don't fit in feel heard and understood for their variance.
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We have a closing tradition on this podcast, as you know, where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for. I'm laughing because it's so ironic.
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What is the meaning of life?
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Amen. When you're thinking about what to pursue, so say you've left the job, you've quit the thing, when you're thinking about what to pursue, how much of that is a decision derived from self-awareness?
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I highly recommend people go and check out the new format you launched on your YouTube channel. It's titled Building a $1 Million Business for a Stranger in 56 Minutes. It's kind of like a new take on Shark Tank, but it's more actionable, more practical. It's what you referenced earlier. And I know it took you many, many, many, many hours to perfect it.
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But it's a really interesting format that I think YouTube is seeking because it's so actionable and practical. And I highly recommend, I'll link that below, but I would also highly recommend people go and check out these books. I mean, they've been, to say they've been smash hits is a massive understatement. Yeah. Thank you. I mean, I just see it everywhere.
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I feel like it's a prerequisite of any entrepreneur's toolkit when they're starting and they're trying to figure out frameworks for scaling a business, making sales, generating leads. And I know there's another one on the way, which you won't tell me about, but I know it's coming this year, which is volume three of this format. And I'm exceptionally excited to see it.
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And for any entrepreneurs out there that are looking to get in business with you, I highly recommend they go check out acquisition.com. Because there's so much there, regardless of where you are in the cycle, whether you're starting out, whether you're scaling up, whether you're looking for advice, acquisition.com is the place to be. Thank you, Alex, for your generosity. I appreciate it.
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And thank you for all that you do. Thank you for being weird and different. Because like that's, again, that's the value. That's all the value in the world. We don't need more of the same. We need people that have the courage to be themselves and the courage to be happy. And that's exactly who you are. And I really, really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Isn't this cool?
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Every single conversation I have here on The Diary of a CEO, at the very end of it, you'll know, I ask the guest to leave a question in The Diary of a CEO. And what we've done is we've turned every single question written in The Diary of a CEO into these conversation cards that you can play at home.
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So you've got every guest we've ever had, their question, and on the back of it, if you scan that QR code, you get to watch the person who answered that question. We're finally revealing all of the questions and the people that answered the question. The brand new version two updated conversation cards are out right now at theconversationcards.com. They've sold out twice instantaneously.
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Because, you know, someone will look at you now and be like, oh, no, Alex did this, so I'm going to start a acquisition.com, you know, or they'll say, I saw Steve Jobs did that thing with the computers, I'm going to start Apple. Yeah, right. Or Elon, I'm going to do the spaceships. How much do you have to know thyself to know what to pursue?
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So if you are interested in getting hold of some limited edition conversation cards, I really, really recommend acting quickly.
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Ah, okay, yeah.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Back to this episode.
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Alex, if someone's just clicked on this conversation and they're considering listening for the next couple of hours, based on everything that you do for the millions of entrepreneurs that follow you, that read your books, can you tell me exactly why you believe they should stay and listen and who should stay and listen?
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So if someone walks up to you in the street and they say, Alex, what idea should I pursue? I've just quit my job.
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And why does that matter, the pain part? What leverage and advantage does it give you for the next five years?
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And that hypothesis will be, for an investor, so much more compelling because you lead with a story as opposed to logic.
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When you were talking about the breathing example with your nose, it's funny because if you had sat down and said to me, Steve, I've made these like breathing nose strips. They are better. They're 20% more durable. They expand your nostrils by 20%.
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It is multiples less compelling than you telling me that story you just said about being a kid, having breathing problems, trying to solve this problem for yourself. And it's funny because that story you told versus the sort of rational logical approach or the benefits approach, is your marketing campaign for the next five years on TikTok and Instagram. It's, I had a problem.
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I tried everything and solved it for myself. There's almost like nothing more compelling and believable. We see that in Dragon's Den. We'll be sat there listening to these pictures all day. Then someone will come in and say, I had ADHD. I tried energy products. They all made me crash. So I went out and solved this problem for myself.
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And we're on edge because we almost can't argue with it at that point, you know?
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You're missing an opportunity here.
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I mean, you should, I mean,
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So interesting, because as we spoke there about the reason why the story was so much more compelling, it was back to the amygdala. It was back to emotion. And it's funny because we said a second ago that when someone's thinking about quitting a job, they're like so in their amygdala, humans run mostly on their amygdala.
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So when we think about pitching, we should really be aiming at the same part of the brain. which is what you did when you showed me that you were sleeping as a kid with your hand stretching across your face. I immediately felt sorry for you, felt sympathy. And I immediately believed that if anyone's going to solve this problem, it is this fucking guy who's been through that pain.
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For the people that are at zero, what is it that they're typically coming to you to help them with? So if you were one of them, what is it that they want from Alex or Mosey?
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My girlfriend's the same. What? Oh, really? Yeah. Two surgeries, which she's coming up to her third one now. We've tried all the nose drips. I saw you wearing one. I bought that one for her. And so there's a lot of people watching right now and there's something going on with these bloody fucking like noses. People shouldn't like, we're doing something.
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Making it cool. Pain, profession, passion.
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What do you think the cheat code is then? So I've got my idea. What do you think the cheat code is in 2025 to win at the game of attention? Like there's got to be some new rules here because we've got AI, we've got new platforms, we've got new media. I'll give you a hypothetical business idea. I'm going to be a personal trainer.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
I picked that because everyone can do it and it's a saturated industry. If I'm a personal trainer in 2025, how should I be thinking about building attention?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
I want to go through the whole thing.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
This overarching point you said there about being yourself, as I was thinking about it, I was thinking, gosh, do you know what? The thing that all of my favorite creators and the really successful creators have in common is they all have, and I use these words intentionally, the courage to be themselves. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Because I'll tell you what, when I was starting out as a content creator and I look back, I was showing one of my team members the other day, the things I used to post, it was like, everything happens for a reason. It was cringe, cliche fluff. And it took me several years to almost relax into just realizing that the game here was to get to the point where I could be myself on the internet.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And actually that was the most high value because of, you know, of what you said, it's the And it is the winning strategy for 2025.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Well, you said a second ago, you're not sure why that is. But by very definition of it being unique, that means that there is no blueprint. There is no person that's come before you and proven that it works. So the courage of being yourself, there's only one Stephen Bartlett. So if I'm truly myself, it's never been done before. That means that the risks are unknown. The upside's also unknown.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
But so again, going back to our hate of uncertainty, it makes much more sense for me to try and copy you because I can see a blueprint there. than to run the risk of being yourself. And you are someone, I have to say, who is running the risk of being yourself. And actually, as someone who's observing you, now I know who you are, and I now know who you're not.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And it's important for me as someone that follows your work, that actually I see consistency, because I've established Alex and Rosie's values. And anything that diverts from that is actually less valuable, because as you say, it's more like everyone else and the things I've had before. But it's also, it wouldn't feel true anymore. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And this is something that even as a creator myself, I have to fall back on is my audience know who I am now, for better or for worse. They're not going to learn anything new.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Alex Hormozy is the master of business strategy.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Yeah. I don't know. I think a lot of the time we end up over-focusing on unreasonable people, which is a war we can never win anyway. Because you say that to me. I think it was like I had this guy, the therapist on my podcast, who I then spoke to after the podcast. And he basically broke it down to me. He was like, there's 20% of people that just absolutely love everything you will ever do.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Like you could say anything. They're just super fans. There's 80% of people that are actually like, he said there's 60% of people that are really reasonable. They don't speak.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
They just watch their like reasonable... The silent majority. And then there's 20% of people with no matter what the fuck you do, they're going to be... This is like, don't spend your life focusing on the 20%. The quiet majority, the 60%, they don't tweet. They just chill. And then the 20%, you know, they're your evangelists. But, you know, I find myself falling into the trap of...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Yeah. And one of the great entrepreneurs I interviewed on the podcast said to me, when it comes to marketing and branding and this sort of attention conversation we're having, she said to me that in order to reach your 80%, you have to piss off your 20%, or at least be willing to piss off your 20%. It was Jane Warrung, who's the founder of Demologica,
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
global beauty brand with i think hundreds of thousands of people and she sat and said to get to your 80 you have to be willing to piss off no actually fuck she said to get to your 20 you have to be willing to piss off the 80 and from a branding perspective it makes so much sense because when you stand for something clearly which you do you inadvertently stand against you have to if you draw a line there's there's there's a side on either side and you have to say like i'm on this side
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Yeah. And they were willing to say that for the first time ever. Right. I posted it on my LinkedIn and it was 50-50. Yeah. I'd say it was actually more like 80% of people were either neutral or pissed off. Really? Yeah. And 20% of people were like, that is me. I am a Nike person. And for me, when I saw that, I thought I want to buy some Nike shorts.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
How important in this game of building and starting is people? Oh, very. Hiring question. I'll tell you why I asked this question, because when I look at my portfolio, early stage first founders never seem to understand the importance of hiring in people.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And I bang my head against a wall trying to convince them that actually the game they're playing is in the word company, group of people.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
I think the reason why first time founders feel like they have to learn this lesson themselves is because everything you've just said is an unknown unknown. Like they don't even know that they don't know it. So they stumble, they hire the sales guy because they were their friend from high school and then fucking, and then they go through the pain.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And I say this because I'm so unbelievably passionate about it. I went through the same BS. I hired my friend who worked at Prada to be our account. I hired a guy I met at a rap battle to be my marketing director who was literally playing video games for a living. at 30 years old. And I went through this whole thing.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And then maybe three, four years into my first business, I accidentally hired someone great. Like through no intention of myself, accidentally. And I saw the net impact they had. And I thought, oh my God, over the coming years, I learned that the game, the fundamental game here was, as you said, assembling the best group of people.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
How, if I'm a first time founder, can I put a system in place where, to make sure that even though I don't know what a good salesperson looks like, even though I don't know what an ex-good person looks like, I still attract them to my company.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Can I say something as well? The other epiphany revelation I had was the star hired stars. And so I think her name's Katie Leeson. Of the 10 people she then hired, nine of them became the best people in my company. And also, I'm not going to say his name, but someone else in my business, a C player of the 10 people he hired, he and everyone he hired was fired.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
This is another quality of really successful founders that I've noticed, which is what you just said, is the ability to have the hard conversation sooner. And in my portfolio where there's first-time founders, they're coming to me and in our monthly meeting saying, God, there's this guy who's running the e-com division and he's so bad and I'm having to do the job for him.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
What do I do about it, Steve? But then they come back to me two weeks later and they're like, he's still there.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And you're like, what are we talking about here? I remember asking him at such a meeting, does John know that you're unhappy with him? Oh, yeah. No. So there's this quiet dissatisfaction, which I think is a virus, right?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Amen.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Really?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
The thing that's easiest to train up.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
One of the things that's so central to that is we were saying about giving people feedback. And I wrote down most companies and most entrepreneurs and founders are scared to give petty feedback.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Because if, like, I might notice you making a slight error.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
But it feels petty to point that out. It feels like I'm some kind of rude dictator.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Why is that so important? And how do you create an environment? I'm totally good at that. Yeah, I know, but a lot of people aren't. I have lots of managers on my teams and they don't want to offend people. Their central focus is too much on being nice and it's...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
It's interesting because it goes back to something you were saying earlier, where you were saying specifics versus vague. Yeah. Prefrontal cortex versus amygdala. Like an insult is amygdala. Totally. Can't do anything with that. But if you make it specific, then action is more likely to occur. And useful action is more likely to occur.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
On this point of a person who's listening now, who's an entrepreneur, they've got a business and they're thinking about making those first hires. I wanted to throw a proposition at you to see what you thought of this. One of the things that I think can help you not fuck up in the hiring process, especially early, is if you just live it with the permanent assumption that you are bad at hiring.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
So I live with the permanent assumption that I'm bad at hiring because I've got biases. There's things I don't know about certain things, etc. And when you start with that assumption that you are really, really bad at hiring, you try and decentralize the decision making. So one thing I say a lot to startup founders is...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
If you're hiring a salesperson, create an interview process where there's five people and one of them might be you and the other four are the best salespeople you've ever encountered in your life. Like who sold you your house? Yeah. And ask them to be part of the interview process. How does that sit with you?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Who's Skool? What is Skool, sorry?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
All of that requires them to know if the person's not bullshitting. And also to know like what metrics matter, right? Because someone could sit in an interview for my first time founder, say a bunch of big complicated words. It sounds good. I hire them. And that's really what I'm trying to mitigate here is how do I not let a bullshitter pass me?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
You said something during that explanation. You said you were talking about your founding partner at school, and you said that he was pursuing a CTO. And he said, if we can get this guy, he'd be amazing. So many entrepreneurs that are starting in business have that thought sometimes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
They think, if I could just get that guy from that amazing company to come join our garage where we're building this new startup, it would change our fortunes. But how? How do I get a truly exceptional person who is being paid shit tons of money, who has a comfortable job, who has security to come join me in my bedroom?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
So what would it take? So many of the books that you write and so much of the content you make centers on this idea of sales. Yeah. And it is a sale, isn't it? Totally.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And I always think about the Steve Jobs quote where he met with, was it John Sculley, who was working at like Pepsi and he said, do you want to continue selling sugar water for the rest of your life or do you want to come change the world? Yeah. How does that sort of emotional, psychological element of the sale factor into persuading someone exceptional to come and join your mission?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
There's also this weird question, which I've actually never asked anybody before. But founders often struggle with, do I hire naivety? Because that's going to probably create new solutions to old problems, like the young scrappy kid that gets TikTok. Or do I hire experience, which is going to be more expensive, more conventional and safe? And I see some companies lean too far either way.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Interesting.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And what role does naivety play in innovation here? Because the kids that don't know the rules are more likely to stumble across new answers, right?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
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It's the type of technology that differentiates Adobe Express from being just another design tool and makes it the quick and easy create anything app. Search Adobe Express or download it for free in the App Store right now. Well, I want to go through the four R's, but I also, I think that what comes before the four R's is knowing how to get customers in the first place, which was a tricky one.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And actually, maybe even the thing that comes before that is being psychologically prepared for the toll and the rollercoaster that business is. I found this graph of yours.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And I think for any founder starting a business, it's important for them to understand this cycle. I think you call it like the crash burn cycle or something. Because if you're not aware of the cycle, when you hit certain parts of it, you're probably going to think that there's something wrong with you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
But there's a certain inevitability to this crash cycle. I'll put it on the screen for anyone to see.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
There's so much there. There's so much there, but it's such an important point. So where shall I start? So... moment here, this crisis of meaning moment, what I see so much of is entrepreneurs not necessarily quitting the old thing, but just taking on something else. And I get entrepreneurs will come up to me in the gym.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And they'll say, Hey, Steve, just want to let you know what I do and see if you can offer me any advice. And then they'll list three things. They'll say, I'm starting this crypto thing with my friend Dave, I've got this hair business where we're selling on ecom. And I've got this other thing. And they almost assume that
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
The more things they're doing, the higher the probability that they'll be successful in something. My mum was that. My mum has started 30 businesses. And I watched from my whole childhood how she would start a hairdressing salon. And then the person down the street running an estate agents would come in and say, we're making loads of money as an estate agent. She'd start that.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
That business would suck. She'd hit this moment of crisis of meaning. She'd then start a furniture business. So she jumped between 20 to 30 businesses. And it's kind of still happening now, where they last six months, they eventually go bust. She sort of like, you know, like the monkeys that swing to the next branch, swings to the next thing.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And there's never been the escape velocity that comes from this informed optimism part. So yeah, it really rang true for me in every sense of the word. This idea of like a focus going against all of your instincts and your emotions, but being pivotal to achievement.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the same time. and it's when you walked in today and you sat down on the chair, I said like, what's going on with you professionally. I remember what you said. You said more of the same and better, which clearly comes from your wisdom, my infinite wisdom.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Why did you?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
It's so interesting because I think everything you've said is just absolutely spot on. But you're right in the way you say that if you'd asked an audience member listening now why they haven't started yet, they wouldn't say fear. They would say, I haven't got the X, I haven't got the Y. But actually it is such an emotional thing.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And we don't talk about that enough because uncertainty is... Humans seem to be allergic to uncertainty and they'd rather the certain misery of their current situation typically than uncertainty.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
There's also something in that entrepreneurs don't go into starting a company with the belief that their hypothesis is wrong. So in year one or seven months in, when they realize that their initial hypothesis was wrong, they think that means abandon ship because my hypothesis was wrong.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Whereas successful entrepreneurs that I've met, especially second time founders, realize that their hypothesis is almost certainly wrong from the jump. And that the process of starting is to correct and to find a new hypothesis. I think about like Mark Zuckerberg in his room with like face swap or whatever, was rating people's attractiveness. And now Meta is this like virtual reality AI company.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
But understanding that your hypothesis is wrong from the jump and that, you know, this is a process of finding a new hypothesis, I think will give you a little bit more patience as well through these cycles of the crisis of meaning and so on.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Well, this is it. When I started my first business at 18 years old called War Park, social network, whatever, I thought the game was to be right. I came to learn from businesses that came after that actually the game of entrepreneurship is to be successful. And they're two very different things.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Because when you want to be right, you not only want to be CEO and you want your hypothesis that you put in that first pitch deck to come true. And even when customers are telling you that you were wrong, you try and force the fucking hypothesis. But when your game is to be successful, there's a couple of really interesting things that I observe happen.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
One of them is you, I watch founders say, actually, maybe I'm not the best person to be CEO.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Even though I founded this thing, maybe I should be chief brand officer. When I think about some of the top companies in the UK represent just valued at 100 million. Gymshark, Ben's business valued at 1.5 billion. Julian's business probably valued at a billion. I'm involved in some of these businesses in different ways.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
But the thing they all have in common is at some early point, the founder put their ego secondary to the success of the business. They said, actually, I'm not the best CEO. I should be head of brand or marketing. A product, right. A product or whatever it is.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And that's that mindset shift from being I need to be right and I need to be at the helm of being right versus this thing needs to be successful.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
One of my favorite videos of all time is where Steve Jobs, who you just mentioned, talks about hiring truly exceptional people. And he says words to the effect, I'll play it on screen. He says, people think the success of Apple is a consequence of me and my talent and my skills.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
But what I've actually done is I've built my career, quote, on hiring truly exceptional people, doing the extremely hard work of finding them and hiring them. And this crazy thing happens when you do that is it propagates. i.e. A players then want to work with A players. They also hire A players and it spreads. I think it was this video.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Is there a framework for knowing when to quit? Yeah.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
I was thinking about the two sort of reasons why someone might quit something or feel like they want to quit. And one of them is clearly because it's hard. And that's obviously not reason enough to quit. And then there's another one which you were speaking to there, which is it's not moving me towards a meaningful goal, irrespective of how hard it is.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
It's so interesting to see your journey through that and how you ended up at skill acquisition because as you went through, there was three things that I was thinking about and I managed to write them down. The first at the top of it was you detailed three reasons why hiring the exceptional person when you're faced with that paradox of what do I do with my profits? It makes so much sense.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
One of the big things I hear from founders that they don't appreciate is... To go for a long period of time, you have to have some kind of emotional regulation. And as you were talking about the different levels of business and every level you have more problems, what I often see is a young founder hasn't hired those levels in between to deal with all those different types of problems.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And they are like burning out and thinking of quitting. I had someone in my office last week and she's on the route to build about a $50 million business this year. And the first question I said to her was, what's your executive team? And she just like rolls her eyes and she's like, I don't have an executive team.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
She'd done a post on social media, basically in tears saying that she was going to quit. She's got a $30 to $50 million business. It's growing like wildfire, but she's about to almost quit it because she's dealing with every single problem.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And often founders say to me, they think because they're experiencing so much hardship in that like one to three million phase, that forever it's going to be just huge pain. And I talked to them about this thing I call the promised land. Do I love this? Because in the first two, three years of my business, I thought that forever I'm going to have to deal with every fucking problem.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Jenny in the office is pissed off at Dave. And on Saturday night when they were drunk, they did something which they shouldn't have had. And I realized the problem was I hadn't solved for hiring these levels. So everything was coming to me. And the emotional toll on my nervous system of dealing with every problem was not sustainable. And then I accidentally hired someone good.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Like a marathon, you're raising money for a charity you care about. It's hard, but you don't quit. And then there's maybe if you're running a marathon for no apparent reason... there was no charity, there was no one watching, there was no fitness benefit, then that's a good, I guess, moment to consider quitting. My story mimics yours in a way that I didn't realise.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Katie, who I mentioned. And then she dealt with all this. Yeah, she dealt with all this shit. And then I can think again as a founder. So I wanted to just give a moment to that and your thoughts on that.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
I didn't realise you went through a similar thing in terms of parents' disownership. No real great option to flee to, but feeling like the current path that would have led me to be, I don't know, a business management student was significantly worse on balance than... taking the risk. But I think maybe a point of distinction is it didn't... I was so naive that it didn't feel like a risk.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
The other really interesting thing, as you were talking about your friend who was doing blogs and missed YouTube, was the idea that our success traps, being an old innovator's dilemma, that success traps us in the past. So your friend probably missed YouTube because he didn't want to reallocate headcount to something that was working and paying the bills.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And this, I guess, ties into your point about failure being so unbelievably important because what me and you both do right now is going to get old. And we probably both watched the people that came before us fade into irrelevance.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And we're part of some kind of new school of content creation, but we're going to become part of the old school if we don't, what's in that gap?
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
So where should I start? I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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Or find the link in the description below. On the car example you were talking about with the flyers, what I was thinking is so many businesses try and win on the game of creativity. So we'll create something more creative and appealing as an advert.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And I see this in my portfolio because they'll send me something and they'll go, Steve, one particular business I'm thinking about, a major national supermarket has given us a display slot in 400 supermarkets, which... Display should we use? And they'll say to me, this one or this one. And I remember replying to them and saying, I don't know. And you don't know. But here's the system to find out.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
We're going to create 100 displays and we're going to run them as ads on Facebook or we're going to create some kind of environment where we're not going to try and win on being the best creative guesses. We're going to win on our rate of experimentation. We're going to conduct more experiments.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And I think this is a real shift in so many regards, because especially if we've gone through university and we've been trained as a copywriter, we have the old problem of wanting to be right, not successful.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And being able to, as a creative, even as a podcaster, say, I don't know what the right answer is, but I'm going to create a system where our rate of experimentation is going to be so much higher than our competitors that we're going to stumble across the right answer more than they do is a shift in thinking.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
I mean, amen. It's our whole philosophy. So it's so wonderful to hear that. And I didn't realize that you'd done that with the book.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
When people look at you, Alex, you're a guy that knows a lot about a lot. And one of the questions that I often get as well is, I need a mentor. People, kids will come up to you and say, I'm sure they say it all the time. Will you be my mentor?
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Do mentors matter?
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Can you get that now for free?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Parrots versus practitioners. This is an idea that I've thought about a lot over the years because I look at someone like you and I can tell, based on everything you say today, that you are a practitioner. In this analogy, what I call a parrot is someone who hears what Alex said and then starts saying it.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
But your lessons and wisdom have come from going through that shit and being able to distill the essence like Richard Fryman and then share it. There is a group of people that just spend their whole life reading books, posting about it, et cetera. They never take the jump. Parrots versus practitioners. Is the best way to learn being a practitioner?
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And business is the same.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Hard work.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
The first one sounded like it was written by your like amygdala. And the second one was pure like prefrontal cortex. It was all logic. And I'm wondering, you know, as you're going into that decision, obviously fear is going to lead it. So of course you're going to go for option one where you just think about the downside.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
It was from Brian Chesky. I actually messaged him about it after.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Maybe there's a practice that allows you to get into your prefrontal cortex into logic.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
It's so timely because it weaves into something you said earlier, because my girlfriend came to the recording yesterday. And as I went into the green room and I sat down, she went, babe, look, I found this new app. And I said, what is it? She goes, it's an app that summarizes books. And it's called like Head Something. And she showed me it. And I go, look at my book.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Because I know the laws, I know the chapters, I know all of the principles that lead up to the point. So show me my book. And law two, my book's called 33 Laws, so it's these 33 laws. I got it, yeah. And law two was about the Richard Freiman technique you talked about.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And I explain why that process of learning something, simplifying it to its essence for a 10-year-old, teaching it to someone else. If they understand it, move on. If they don't, go back to the top and learn again. And it summarized law two of my book, like writing is the best way to learn.
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And I said, babe, if you just read that summary, the top of the pyramid, and you don't have the story and all these agreeable foundations, which I then explained to her, Would you be able to then translate that and truly understand the nature of the problem so that you could apply it to lots of different settings and so on?
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The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
And then I told her what that second line in my book actually meant and she deleted the app. Because there's no point knowing the conclusion.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Yeah, like the punchline when you don't know the story. And without the story, you can't, I guess, get to the first principles of the thing.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Man That Makes Millionaires: Turn $100 to $10k With This Step By Step Formula & Build An Audience From 0 Followers! Alex Hormozi
Interesting, yeah.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
What is the Navy SEALs? Because, you know, around the world, I think people are aware of the term Navy SEALs, but we don't actually know fully what it is.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
And how long is training? How long does it take to get through training and pass the other end?
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Back to this episode. There are clues in your early context that suggest you might have walked the path that you've walked in your life.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
And what's the similarities that you notice between the people that made it and didn't?
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
But there's also clues that suggest you absolutely would never have done what you've done. So taking me back to that early context, what do I need to know about that environment, the influences of that environment to understand how you ended up where you are today?
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
If I were to meet the guy in his mother's basement and then meet the guy who qualified from the SEALs training, in terms of their mentality, like their psychology, how would they be different? What evidence does the guy that graduated from SEAL training have that the other guy doesn't have? What is that? What's the difference?
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
It's so interesting because I've never actually heard someone give that kind of advice before.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
And it worked. This idea of rock bottom. It's so interesting, and it sounds pretty tragic that sometimes people do need to go to the bottom on their own to realize that, as the quote says, the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of making a change.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
I was 18 years old, and I just dropped out of university, and I saw someone on YouTube say, change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of making a change. And this kind of speaks to why some people sometimes, when you listen to their stories, it wasn't until they hit the basement
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
that they were able to look themselves in the mirror and then take actions in the right direction. But also sometimes when you try and help someone and you prop them up, like if your mother had gone, listen, here's some money and, you know, here's some, you don't have to pay rent. Right. She would be propping you up a little bit.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
Yeah. I'm trying to think about the kid that's listening to this right now that can relate. Yeah. or the person in their life, they might be in a job or whatever, that can relate to knowing that there's something not quite right in their life. Maybe they're at a point where they can start to look themselves in the mirror and take responsibility.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
But do they have to go to rock bottom to start to change their life?
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
I think it was Jocko Willick that said to me, his friend had called him and was going through a difficult time in his life, divorce, lost his wife, lost his job, et cetera. And Jocko said something, words to the effective, when you're lost... in like a military context or whatever, you need to start moving.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
It doesn't necessarily matter which direction you move in, but you need to start moving in a direction. And I was thinking about that, as you said, about this idea of like paralysis by analysis. People, they might be at rock bottom, but they just don't know what to do. So they're just sat in the same situation.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
Certainty in that context is sometimes better for people than the uncertainty of what happens if I...
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
Yeah.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
Yeah.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
Must be checked. Yeah. So I pause on the must be checked because— Once you become the Navy SEAL, and everyone's saying, that's John Allen, the Navy SEAL, does your motivation disappear or does it become something else?
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
I think it's really honest, but also quite unorthodox advice to say, listen, if you're in the shower and you're going, I just want to be rich so I can prove those people wrong, or I want to be famous, prove these people wrong. It's unorthodox advice to say to follow that. But I have to say, I just completely agree. I agree because...
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
Sometimes you have to have a hypothesis fail you or some kind of idea fail you for you to scratch the itch. And that's why I was focusing on the side of ticking the box. It's going to stay there.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
I don't know if you can go to therapy or do ayahuasca or something to get rid of that thing. But for me, until you pursue it and have it fail you or succeed, it's going to stay there.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. That's actually really, really true. Yeah. Yeah. It's so interesting that, because I've never actually heard someone give that kind of advice before. What people say is like, find your why. And they often are quite judgmental about what's motivating you. So the only like accepted motivation is something like, I want to serve my country or I want to change the world.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
But actually most of us are either like driven or dragged, as I say, which could be, yeah, like driven is like, hey, you're very conscious of what's driving you and you're in control. But then being dragged is the insecurity. It's the shame. It's the, you know, my siblings are better than me and I want to say fuck you to my parents, whatever it might be. Very, very, very interesting.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
It's also even more interesting that you ended up where you are today. So you get medically discharged from the military after the Afghanistan time?
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
Yeah.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
So first and foremost, I have to ask, what do you think happened to those hikers?
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
And my next question is, as you reflect on the journey of your life, from the basement to the Seals, to then producing the Seals content, getting disowned from your Seals brotherhood because of that, then stumbling across this TikTok thing, then YouTube and everything else that's happened.
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
When you look back and go, like, how can I give anybody advice on how to stumble into their thing based on the actions, the intentional actions that I took that brought me here?
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
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MrBallen (Former Navy SEAL): I Wasn't Sleeping, I Became A Raging Alcoholic! I Was Disowned By The SEALS! This Will Turn Your Life Around In 2025!
It's interesting because as you were talking about timing, I was thinking, that's not what I think the answer is. I was thinking that timing is one of those things you see in hindsight and go, gosh, wasn't that perfect timing?
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For it to be perfect timing, you need to be the kind of guy who's willing to send their kids down to the pool with your wife and make a TikTok video on a platform you know very little about, doing something you've never done before. And it's actually in that moment that I think that's your moment of brilliance. That's when your life pivots.
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Because genuinely 99.9% of people would not be making a video on a platform they don't know much about on a subject that they've never made a video about before. And your story is like riddled with those moments where, like even responding to the guy on LinkedIn, you said most people didn't reply.
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But I responded and then you went and met him in New York or something. So in hindsight, yes, it looks like timing, but actually it's that... you were in moments where you were lost, you got moving, you did something, you had a bias towards action. And failure is feedback. Feedback is knowledge, knowledge is power.
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So it's interesting because when you're talking about like your bias of just like do something, aim at something, what it appears is happening there is even if the thing fails, like some of the things you tried failed, at least you're getting feedback. True. And then the feedback's informing what you do next. Like you said, I did the Seals thing on LinkedIn.
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You learned some stuff about social media there. Okay, it didn't work out how you wished, but you took that into the next test. Yeah. And... And that's really, I think, when I looked at your story, the defining thing is these just a willingness to, in fact, I'll be honest, a willingness to embarrass yourself and be bad at something.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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It goes back to what you were saying about when Will jumped out of the plane. Yeah. All the fear was there before he jumped. Oh, yes. And just like you walking out on that stage, the fear, you're tormented before. Oh, yes. I always find before significantly harder in every way.
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yeah before before everything that i've done in my life is the worst part once you get into it it's you're confronting reality which isn't always as bad yes before is horrible and also when you're talking i was thinking you know it's really either way you're making a decision in those moments like when you're thinking about your life tour the decision is do i accept the unchecked box or do i accept this mental torment that i'm going to inflict upon myself that's very true
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And I think, yeah, when they talk to people on their deathbeds and stuff, the worst thing is the unchecked box. It's got to be. Not that I walked out and put the mic down and walked off.
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How do people misunderstand you? Because they like you, they see you on a screen and they consume a certain type of content you make. They probably don't know the full context of your life. But how do you think people have misunderstood you?
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When I say that, I really mean because when you're a content creator, like we both are, like you say, you're constant. It's constant. It's constant. It's constant. And there's no light at the end of the tunnel in terms of there's not like you get off this train at some point. If you get off, you fail effectively. That is how it works. So how do you think?
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Because if I said to you, you're going to be doing this forever, like you're going to be doing what you do now for the next 30 years.
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Could you see yourself ever stopping?
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You think you're capable of that?
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How many subscribers have you got total? It's like, I mean, your main channel's got almost, what, 10 million?
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say, 20, 25 million subscribers, you would be okay with just walking away and saying, could you see that reality in the future?
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Is there anything that it would take for you to get there? Is it like, would you need... Is there anything, any catalyst, you think?
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Everybody needs an unchecked box, don't they?
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It's like a...
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What's your journey like been with your own mental health? Because you talked about PTSD. You talked about becoming a bit of an alcoholic as well at one point. What's that journey been like? What's that sort of overlaid across your story?
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Why?
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You still have those demons.
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Everybody has their demons to some degree, whether it's, you know, it's a spectrum of how strong those demons can be and how much control they can have over your decisions. What have you learned about dealing with demons that might be of any, because you've been to therapy, a lot of people haven't, a lot of people maybe even haven't arrived at the awareness that they need to go yet.
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What have you learned about dealing with demons that might be useful to anybody listening?
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And this is why Perfect Head has become so important in my life, because previously, when it came to energy products, I had to make a trade-off that I wasn't happy with. Typically, if I wanted the energy, I had to deal with high sugar. I had to deal with jitters and crashes that come along with a lot of the mainstream energy products.
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And I also just had to tolerate the fact that if I want energy, I have to put up with a lot of artificial ingredients, which my body didn't like. And that's why I invested in Perfect Ted and why they're one of the sponsors of this podcast. It has changed not just my life, but my entire team's life. And for me, it's drastically improved my cognitive performance, but also my physical performance.
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Your father, you mentioned earlier that you were raised by a single mother in the basement at least. How has your father been a sort of key figure in the man that you are? And we talk about demons and the demons that you have.
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It's interesting because even before that, there was something that it seemed to happen to you in that basement, which I consider to be the starting place, which is awareness.
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It's like self-awareness. And with that self-awareness came responsibility. You said, actually, I need to stop blaming my mum and dad. Yeah. I have a role to play in this. Yeah. And that's really, really hard. It is. I think for everybody to be truly aware of how you might be contributing to the circumstances of your own life.
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There's a lot of men that aren't at the place yet where they'll speak openly about their demons and how they're feeling and their emotions and stuff, especially, I mean, people that have been in combat and that are seen as big, tough guys, right?
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What would you say to those men that maybe... Because we all feel things. Sure. Most of us don't have the tools to know how to talk about it. We don't have the environment. Maybe we don't have friends or outlets where we can talk about it. And a lot of men don't feel like they can... Even I was one of those men that...
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Probably until about the last, I'd say, two years, I would never tell my partner if I was having a bad day. If I was feeling bad, if I was anxious in any way, if I was struggling with something, I would always try and shield everyone from it. Like I thought as a man, my job was to just take it, take everything, absorb, hold. But what I came to learn is that it is coming out.
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yeah but in with unintended consequences and in unexpected ways it's coming out somewhere maybe in my mood um maybe in my health maybe in my habits um maybe in my search for quick fixes of dopamine it's going to come out so i ran the experiment one day of just like sitting my partner down and saying look i'm not i haven't been honest with you this is how i feel and this is what's happened that's what i'm going through yeah and it was such a
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important pivotal experiment in my life.
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You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. So I'm just wondering what journey you've been on with opening up.
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And what's your relationship been like with responsibility? And what's your view on the importance of that broadly?
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The other thing I've noticed is that when I don't state them, especially in the context of a relationship, is you live misunderstood.
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So like, let's play out the scenario that you struggle to urinate in front of other people. Your wife might always start to wonder... why you don't want to go to certain places or when you're in those places, you're acting strange. She'll misunderstand that as maybe he's X, Y, and Z. And then you're dealing with a problem. You're dealing with another set of problems.
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He's like, he's cheating on me. No, no, no. Actually, it was just, we didn't have an environment, a safe space where we could talk about the actual issue. So I've created like five other issues. And I have that in my life where I'm like, Fuck, if I just told the truth... It's a shame, Matt, sometimes I have to get to the, like, bust-up moment, turn around and say, you've got this totally wrong.
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And the reason why you've got this totally wrong is because I didn't tell you the truth. Yeah. And it's led you off down a path which is really unfortunate and it's caused us more hurt than me just being honest with you. Yeah. But it's... Look, I'm not saying it's going to be easy. I think...
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Like many of the things you've described in your story, first you have to just take one step in that direction. I'm not saying like pull your partner in and like offload or offload to a therapist today. It's just you have to run the experiment to build the evidence and have it compound and go, actually, this is a better life than secrecy. I agree. Keeping everything to yourself.
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When I interview people, there's always questions I know that they get asked all the time. And I'm like, do I ask him the question that I know he probably gets asked all the time? But you're so good at telling stories.
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You really, really are great at telling stories. Thank you. So there's really two questions I wanted to end with. I guess we've got a couple of minutes, but the first question is, to be a great storyteller, and we're all telling stories whether we know it or not, is there any principles that you've come to learn that you could give me to tell better stories?
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I'll go and tell people to check it out on your channel, but is there a particular story on your channel that is, this was the cliche question, that is your favorite? Oh, man. It's like asking your favorite kids, right?
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We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next, not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the question left for you is, what do you see as the most desirable future for the new media podcast world?
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Amen. John, thank you so much for everything that you do. Thank you. It's really, really incredible. It's really incredible. You run a phenomenal media company, which I don't think people truly understand.
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You and Nick run a phenomenal media company, which I think, I don't know if people understand the scale and size of that media company, but it's truly impressive. And you have this awesome graphic novel.
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The illustrations and all the, I think you call them illustrations. The illustrations are phenomenal. Yeah, we're very proud of it. Thank you so much for all that you do. I'm someone that loves, is absolutely enthralled by all these stories. I love mysteries. I love unsolved mysteries and I love true crime.
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So, and as we were saying before we got recording, me and my partner, when she lets me listen to these things in bed and it helps me sleep and your channel is by far and away the best at
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this thank you because you're such a gifted storyteller thank you and as you've been speaking to me today i've been thinking ah that's i've been trying to piece together what makes you so brilliant as a storyteller but um i guess it's a long journey a family influence and generally probably you know the experience that you've had so thank you for what you do thank you for your time today as well and it's been an honor to learn about your story of reinvention but also to hear some of these stories which by the way i need to go and figure out this fucking what's it called the avalon pass the diatlov pass the diatlov pass pretty well thank you and it's an honor to be on your show really thank you so much for having me i appreciate you
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I'm going to let you into a little bit of a secret. You're probably going to think me and my team are a little bit weird, but I can still remember to this day when Jemima from my team posted on Slack that she changed the scent in this studio. And right after she posted it, the entire office clapped in our Slack channel.
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And this might sound crazy, but at the Diary of a CEO, this is the type of 1% improvement we make on our show. And that is why the show is the way it is. By understanding the power of compounding 1%, you can absolutely change your outcomes in your life. It isn't about drastic transformations or quick wins. It's about the small, consistent actions that have a lasting change in your outcomes.
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So two years ago, we started the process of creating this beautiful diary. And it's truly beautiful. Inside, there's lots of pictures, lots of inspiration and motivation as well. Some interactive elements. And the purpose of this diary is to help you identify, stay focused on, develop consistency with the 1% that will ultimately change your life.
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One of the most overwhelming parts of running your own business, as many of you entrepreneurs will be able to attest to, is staying on top of your operations and finances. Whether you're just starting out or whether you're managing a fast-growing company, the complexities only increase. So having the right systems in place is crucial. One which has helped me is one called NetSuite.
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They're also a sponsor of this podcast, and NetSuite is the number one cloud financial system, bringing accounting, financial management, inventory, and HR into one fluid platform. With this single source of truth, you'll have the visibility and control to make fast, informed decisions, which is crucial in business.
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I remember the chaos of scaling my first business and trying to keep everything in order. It was an absolute nightmare, and it's tools like NetSuite that make this easier. So if you're feeling the pressure, let NetSuite lighten the load. Head to netsuite.com slash Bartlett and you can get a free download of the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning. That's netsuite.com slash Bartlett.
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There's something really important in that. That's really also critical to business, but just really critical to anyone that's a professional or in a relationship, which is if you make a mistake, you get the second opportunity, which is how you respond to the mistake you made.
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And in fact, so many times in business, you know, when I was running a marketing business, we'd have clients and we might drop the ball in some way, but we could actually make the relationship stronger than it was before the mistake by how we responded. So making a quick phone call, apologizing, taking responsibility,
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This term sexpan, which I've never heard before, what is that? Sexpan is how long you are able to engage in satisfying sexual activity. And most men, most women, want their sexpan to last as long as their lifespan. And there's many things you can do to significantly prolong your sexpan. And I call it the four pillars. So let's talk about sex.
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You know what he does next time he has sex? As he's having sex, he says to himself, I hope I don't lose my erection. I hope I don't lose my erection. The second he says that to himself as he's having sex, he's going to lose his erection, right? Because he's so worried that he's going to lose the erection and not enjoying the experience. So now it's happened twice.
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So now he engages in sex for the third time. And now he's even more freaked out because it's happened twice and it happens again. We call this the vicious cycle, right? Because now sex has become an anxiety event. anxiety-provoking event. And so you really have to work on decreasing that anxiety and not thinking about it. That's where sex therapy comes in hand.
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And that's where a medication called daily Cialis has become unbelievably helpful for my young patients. Because daily Cialis is a medication that men take daily. You've heard of Cialis, right? It's like the Viagra. Yeah, it's like Viagra, right? So there's Viagra, there's Cialis, Levitra, there's Stender. There's four different brands. But one of the four is meant to be given daily.
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It's a lower dose, five milligrams every day. And the larger dose is 20 milligrams. When you give a man Cialis five milligrams every day, What it does is essentially is having that medication on board all the time. When he engages in sexual activity, he doesn't have to take a pill. He just has sex whenever he wants to. And I found that to be unbelievably helpful in breaking psychogenic ED.
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Because now that's exactly what that is. On the table. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Yeah. And so these are pills. that are in the U.S., but what's nice is they used to be very expensive. Now, if you look at Mark Cuban and a lot of the good Rx companies, men can get 90 pills for $15 or $20, which is very cheap.
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You used the word young men.
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Yes.
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Young men presumably shouldn't be taking pills.
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They shouldn't, but what happens when they have psychogenic ED, because they think about it the most, is they need to break the cycle.
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What's the cost? Because I'm going to be honest, I'm a pill skeptic.
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So I try and avoid taking pills to solve my problems if I can. Right. Obviously, there's going to be situations where I can't. Right. And I accept that. But my bias is towards figuring out if there's another way before I take a pill. Right. Because everything in life comes with a cost, all things. Yeah. So there must be a cost to taking a pill to solve this problem.
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Well, the actual monetary cost is unbelievably cheap.
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Monetary costs. I'm thinking about, like, do I then get dependent on this?
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Do I have to take this for the rest of my life? So there's no dependency. Let me tell you why I think that drug is so important. That daily Cialis has one of the only things, in my opinion, that actually reverses erectile dysfunction. So let's backtrack. I'll give you an example. Let's say today you break your leg, okay? I have two options, Stephen.
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I can fix your leg or I can give you Vicodin, a narcotic. And if I give you the Vicodin or the narcotic, you'll still be able to walk until the Vicodin no longer works and we're in trouble. Viagra is a Vicodin. It is not a cure for your erectile dysfunction. It's just masking the problem. Daily Cialis, in my opinion, is one of the few things that helps cure ED.
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If you look at studies and you look at a penile tissue and we biopsy the tissue and then you biopsy three months later on daily Cialis, it physically gets stronger. So let's say you go to the gym today and ask you to lift dumbbells. What's going to happen to your arm? It will hypertrophy. With daily Cialis, we see hypertrophy of the smooth muscle, meaning it gets physically stronger.
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So in my opinion, it's one of the best things to prevent Cialis. ED in the future, help reverse the ED process. More importantly, daily Cialis protects the endothelium. And we have to spend some time talking about that. That is the lining of the blood vessels. It's the brains.
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And the lining of the blood vessels is very important because once that gets injured, you start getting clot or plaque, which will get a heart attack, a stroke, and erectile dysfunction. So it protects the lining of the blood vessels. Two other indications. It's FDA approved to help a man urinate better. FDA approved.
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It's FDA approved to protect the heart in terms of something called pulmonary hypertension. So in my opinion, it's an excellent medication. Patients say, do I get dependent on it? I say, you do not get dependent on it. And I feel like you're better had you taken it than had you not. You take it for three months, you get strengthening of the penile tissue.
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What happens if I stop taking it?
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If you stop taking it, there's a wonderful study by Aversa. And what he showed was that those patients that stopped taking it after three months versus placebo still had benefit in terms of endothelial function protection and erectile function protection than those people that took placebo. So thinking about saying, hey, if I go to the gym and I work out for three months, what happens if I stop?
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I say, well, Steven, you're better off had you gone to the gym for three months. That's my opinion. What is the downside? There's side effects. So every drug has side effects, right? But they're low with five milligrams. Back pain, stuffy nose, headache can occur in these, but it's quite small. But I do think that this is one of the medications that really can make an impact in men's health.
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Think about it. If I told you there's a medication that protects your heart, helps your prostate, and helps men with erections, and it's affordable, I think that most men would say, I'm in.
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What are the big side effects that people report when they're on Cialis?
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So on the larger dose, headache, stuffiness, back pain is more common with Cialis than other medications. But it can be reported. Remember, you shouldn't take these medications if you're taking a nitrate because it can drop your blood pressure. But other than that, these are very commonly used medications throughout the world.
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and they're not suitable for certain people that have certain cardiac disorders, I'm guessing?
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Well, you know, the way this was invented is came at first when Viagra came out in 1998. Viagra was in the clinical trials designed to be a blood pressure medication and accidentally men were getting erections in the trial. So these medications are, in my opinion, cardioprotective.
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A guy named – a very famous physician named Dr. Kloner published an article recently showing that those men who took daily Cialis had a 13% reduction in cardiac events and a 25% reduction in mortality. It just came out because of the potential effects of protecting the endothelial lining of the blood vessels.
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How does this work to solve for the sort of psychogenic component that we talked about, that vicious cycle people get into with like – I'm guessing you're telling me that it increases your probability of having a good erection. Right. But this still isn't really working on a libido, is it?
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Right. So let's say you started falling through the vicious cycle and you started having ED and it was two times, three times. And now I put you on this medication. And every time you have sex, you have the most amazing erection of your life. And 30 times, 40 times, three, six months go by and you're having these amazing erections. You're relaxed and you're calm.
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Then I start going to every other day. You still get amazing erections. Then I go to once a week. You still get amazing erections. Then I stop. You still get amazing erections, right? I just need to show you that everything is perfect again. And that has a huge value. What about for women? This is the unfortunate part. We don't have a lot of treatment options for women.
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Who are you and what have you spent your life doing? So I'm a urologist and I specialize in male and female sexual dysfunction, testosterone replacement therapy, and infertility. For the past 17 years, I've been working as a professor at Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, looking at ways to improve sexual health, improve testosterone, and improve fertility.
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And if you look about it, I want to give you an example. In 2015, if you and I went into the drugstore in the U.S., Walgreens, and said, give me all the drugs to treat men for sexual dysfunction, they would put 30 drugs on the counter. These are all the wonderful treatments for men. In 2015, there was not a single FDA-approved drug to treat women for any sexual dysfunction. Very sad.
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In 2015, the first drug to treat women for female sexual dysfunction came out, and it was called Addi or filbantrin. And filbantrin basically is a drug that a woman takes every day and increases her desire for sex. That's it. That's the FDA indication. Increases her desire for sex. Several years later, the second drug for women came out. This was called Vilisi or brimelanotide.
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Essentially, it's an injection that she takes 45 minutes prior to intercourse and it increases her desire for sex. But again, we have only two drugs. The reason being is because the research, the funding that we have for female sexual dysfunction is far less than we have for male sexual dysfunction. And it's unfortunate because as I mentioned earlier, this is a couple's disease.
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And so many times I have to use drugs that I use for men. to help treat women. So I do use Viagra for women, but Viagra for women helps arousal. So let me explain. Female sexual dysfunction has four components. One is decreased libido. The second is decreased arousal. Third is orgasmic dysfunction. And the fourth is pain with intercourse. These are the four.
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If a woman has any one of these four and she's bothered by it, she suffers from female sexual dysfunction. In the U.S., roughly 43% to 48% of women suffer from female sexual dysfunction, significant number. Only 19% seek therapy or get therapy. So there's a huge number of women that I say are suffering in silence. They suffer from the condition. They don't know where to get help.
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And unfortunately, there are not many treatment options available, right? So it's a big problem and a big unmet need.
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And on the hormonal component, you talked about how if dopamine is up, we're much more likely to be aroused. And if serotonin is up, then we're much less likely to be aroused. So this kind of ties into something I was thinking when you were talking about stress and tiredness. When I'm stressed and tired, is my dopamine down?
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It can be. Your cortisol goes up. Your cortisol goes up. So your ability to get excited will go down. Your fatigue goes up. So it makes it much more difficult. And there's more than just dopamine and serotonin. There's norepinephrine. There's melanocortin. There's many other neurosteroids. And it's really just what we call a plus minus game.
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If I have more positives than negatives, I'm going to have desire and I'm also going to have orgasm, right? That's important also. So if you give someone too much serotonin and it goes this way, not only does the libido go down, but it's difficult to achieve climax on orgasm. So one of the ways I treat premature ejaculation is I give them an antidepressant because it delays the orgasm.
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So we have to be very careful on these neurotransmitters, how we use them. But if you talk about Addi, the drug I mentioned, all it does is it increases dopamine and norepinephrine, which increases libido. So they increase neurosteroids. Many women... particularly with the history of breast cancer, like this because they don't want to use testosterone or estrogen hormones.
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And we talked just before we started recording about this term sexpan, which I've never heard before. What is a sexpan and why do you care about it?
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This is non-hormonal, right? It's just neurosteroids increasing the desire for sex.
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Can I think about dopamine and serotonin as like a scales?
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If I put weight on one end, the other one goes up. And if I put weight on the other end, the other one goes up.
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Yes, there is a very famous, Michael Perlman came up with the tipping point. And it's basically a scale, looking at the pluses and the minuses. And if you have more pluses than minuses, libido goes up, orgasmic function goes up. If you have more minuses, essentially your ability to orgasm and your libido will go down.
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So if I want to be aroused and have a desire for sex and have good sex, then I want my dopamine levels to be high.
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Dopamine high, oxytocin high, norepinephrine high, serotonin low.
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What are the types of activities that make my dopamine high?
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Well, exercise can be a really high dopamine. Other things increase dopamine as well, right? So gambling, there's certain things that are high. It's like gambling, anything that gives you a high. Certain foods will cause a dopamine rush, but they're temporary, right? And so…
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That's a problem, right? Because if it goes up, it goes back down.
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It goes back down. It crash. So you want your dopamine to go up in men and women. So we use medications like Welbutrin. Have you heard of Welbutrin? It's an antidepressant. But that antidepressant increases dopamine. So I use that to help men increase their libido or women to increase their libido or sexual function. I use Addi in men and off-label in men and in women to increase dopamine.
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Yeah, so Stephen, you know what lifespan is. It's how long you're going to live, right? And you also know what healthspan is, how long you're going to live in a healthy lifestyle. But you may not have heard of the concept of sexspan. Sexspan is the ability to engage in sexual activity, satisfying sexual activity, and
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I don't want to do drugs, though. I don't want to take any pills.
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So then I would say, I need you to exercise. And you do, but exercise is critical. I need you to sleep. I need you to reduce your stress. Those things will significantly improve your libido.
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So what things then lower dopamine? Because I've spoken to a few dopamine experts on the show before, and they talk to me about this sort of meaning. Andrew Hebron was telling me that when you do an exercise, like let's say gambling or go on TikTok, your dopamine is going to go up, but then it's going to crash below the base point.
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And some of us live in this kind of dopamine rollercoaster where we're doing these dopamine-inducing activities. Our dopamine goes up. It then crashes below. And when it gets low, we have cravings for dopamine-inducing activities. So we go out and want to gamble or go on TikTok again or eat something. And then it goes up again. And we kind of live in this kind of rollercoaster of dopamine.
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One of the things that I was told by a dopamine expert on the show recently that does that as well, that links to some things I found in your work, is pornography.
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And when we talk about this psychogenic component, we talk about dopamine levels. How much is pornography... causing this libido crisis?
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Yeah. Pornography and ED and libido is somewhat controversial. There's some data that suggests that it does not cause an issue, and there's some data that suggests that it does. The first question I ask a patient, when I ask a man, I say, is your ED present with pornography also? So if he says, look, I have erectile dysfunction with my partner,
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and I have erectile dysfunction with pornography, that's very different than when he says I have erectile dysfunction with my partner and I have amazing erections with pornography, right? Because then I know that there's a psychogenic component as well. This is what I believe. I believe that when a man watches excessive amounts of pornography,
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What his expectation is becomes hair and his reality becomes hair. And that delta causes them to have erectile dysfunction and low libido. They're not getting what they're expecting to get. So many times I question men when they come in. When all men who come in for ED, I ask, how much pornography are you watching?
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In men who watch excessive pornography, if I ask them to stop watching pornography for a while, many will report improvements in their erectile function and libido. So again, I do think that pornography in excess can have a negative impact only because of your expectation and your reality. The delta can be an issue.
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I'm reading some stats here from JAMA Network that says the percentage of men between 18 and 24 reporting no sexual activity in the past year increased from roughly 18% to roughly 30% in the space of what looks like just a few years. And similarly, the average number of times American adults engage in sexual activity per year has decreased from 60 between 1989 and
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And so how long you are able to engage in sexual activity is important to most men, right? So let's give you an example. The average lifespan in the United States is 77 years old. The average health span in the United States, believe it or not, is 67 years old. In fact, if you look at the CDC and they talk about how long you'll live without a disability, it's actually 63. So there's a delta here.
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and 1994 to 50, roughly 50, between 2010 and 2024. these shifts suggest a notable shift in sexual behavior over recent decades. Why do you think this is happening?
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I think it's multifactorial. So I think one is I think that ED and sexual dysfunction is on the rise. And if you look at the causes for ED, it's very simple. You look at obesity, diabetes, metabolic syndrome. It's a pandemic. It's an epidemic. If you look at just diabetes from 1990 to 2022, 100%, 7% to 14% of the population. One out of eight people globally are obese. One out of eight people.
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So these can make it very difficult as obesity and diabetes go on the rise. What happens? Testosterone levels go down, right? So testosterone levels go down. So the ability to engage in sexual activity, the desire to engage in sexual activity will be impaired by these conditions.
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I've got some graphs here which show global obesity trends, global diabetes trends. I'll put them on the screen for anyone that's watching on video. Also, there's been an increase in pornography consumption from what I was able to tell from doing some research.
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A 2020 study by the University of Antwerp found that 40% of people aged 35 to 45 who watched 300 minutes of porn a week had erectile dysfunction. In a 2021 study by...
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germa public health and surveillance and 3 400 men between 18 and 35 years old 20 of the participants suffered from erectile dysfunction and researchers found that the greater the viewing frequency of pornography the greater the development of this dysfunction and that's 300 minutes is quite a bit of time a week five hours five hours a week right so this so that's quite a bit yeah that's quite a bit
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How important do you think that is as a component to this sort of fracturing in relationships? We think about people having sex with each other less. We're heading towards a world of virtual reality and AI.
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Yes.
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What role do you think that's genuinely playing? And you must have private conversations with men that are really suffering with these things.
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So I definitely think it's a role. And definitely it plays a factor. But not as much as the epidemic of diabetes, obesity, metabolic syndrome. We are, as a population, becoming more and more unhealthy as time goes on. And I look at it again as a pie. It's multifactorial, right? Most of us now are not – our socialization is virtual.
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And so we are not engaging and going into – everything is done virtually. And so I think that's an issue. And so I really believe that pornography is a component, but the decline in overall health is a major component. The decline in testosterone levels decade by decade is also another component as well.
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It's pretty terrifying that young kids at the age of like 12, 13, 14, when they open their phones these days, will be exposed to sexually graphic images, whether they chose to seek them out or not.
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Yes.
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And I've always wondered what that's doing to a developing brain. You know, how it's adjusting your expectations, how it's creating some of those psychogenic factors that are making you less aroused and... And it's difficult, right? It's difficult to go out and find a partner. You have to like put on the aftershave, shave, take care of yourself.
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You have to like risk rejection, spend some money, be interesting. So it seems like if from an evolutionary perspective, if I was just trying to like get my nut off or like, I don't know, ejaculate, I've got this really easy way now. Like it's so easy. Three clicks on a computer, we're off to the races. Versus like all the effort and rejection and pain,
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of trying to find an actual human being to have sex with right and then when i do do approach number one when i log on to some website and click a couple of times i'm getting no headache i'm getting whatever i want i can order from a endless list of menus and i'm sure in the near future i'll even be able to make my own yes i'm in not so distant future i'll have i'll have it in my house and it'll talk to me yes yeah
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But it's a problem. And you think about it, it's making it more difficult for people to socialize, right? So in other words, now when patients or people engage in sexual activity and they're usually having sex on the internet or with pornography, when you actually engage in sexual activity with another person, it can cause anxiety, right? You get anxious.
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There's at least 10, 15 years where you will be in some kind of disability and cannot live to your fullest. Now think about the concept of sex span, how long you'll have the ability to engage in sexual activity, satisfying sexual activity. We, most men, most women, want their sex span and their health span to last as long as their lifespan. Yes. So I think it's important.
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It's not something that you're doing regularly. And so I think that it can become an issue.
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I saw an article this week from an OnlyFans creator who posted that one customer of hers had given her $4 million this year.
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Oh, my God.
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And you think about what it would take for you to spend $4 million on a parasocial relationship with an OnlyFans creator sending you explicit pictures. And I don't quite believe we fully understand what's around the corner. Yeah, I agree. These stats, I think, are nothing compared to what's around the corner.
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And I don't know, I think about it a lot, because when I read these stats about erectile dysfunction being on the rise, and I read that we're having sex less and less, and then I see this rise in these parasocial relationships, I go, you know, I think we're just at the start of an exponential curve. Yeah. Let's talk about obesity then, because these stats here are pretty shocking.
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This one shows the global obesity trends, which just shows them going straight up, which is horrific. This one shows global diabetes trends, which is pretty much straight up as well. Has there been any studies done that show the link between being overweight and your probability of having low libido and some kind of sexual dysfunction issue.
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Yes, numerous. And so let's start with this. So obesity, it's not surprising that diabetes is going up because as obesity goes up, it causes insulin resistance. So obesity and diabetes typically go hand in hand. The problem with obesity is the following. obesity significantly drops testosterone levels. So fat cells contain something called aromatase.
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Aromatase eats up the testosterone and converts it into estrogen. So the more fat you have, the less testosterone you'll have because you'll convert it into estrogen. Fat cells also secrete something called cortisol and leptin, which shut down your own natural testosterone production.
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So it's not surprising that decade by decade, as you see an increase in obesity, you see a decline in testosterone levels in men because the testosterone levels will come down as people become more obese.
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And low testosterone equals low libido?
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Low testosterone increases low libido. The number one driver, the number one hormone for libido in men and women is testosterone. It's a strong driver.
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Men and women?
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Men and women. And don't forget that testosterone is also really important in erectile function. Men need testosterone for sexual function. So do women, right? It's extremely important. So now I have a hormone that's going down. That's going to make it more difficult to get an erection. I have a hormone that's going down. That's going to decrease my libido.
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And it's mainly due to this obesity hormone. that's occurring, one of the biggest factors. So obesity. Obesity also, if you look at the risk factors for ED, obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, these are all risk factors. And so as obesity goes up, erectile dysfunction goes up. And the number one condition is diabetes.
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Diabetics are four times more likely to have ED than any other population, four times. So I get worried when we see this obesity, diabetes pandemic going up because it's increasing only the erectile dysfunction. Steven, if you look at the obesity, the group that's having the greatest rise in obesity is adolescence obesity, not adult obesity.
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The kids, younger and younger ages, that age group has the greatest rise of obesity. So what does that turn into? The younger population are starting out at lower T levels and it has an implication on fertility because you need testosterone to produce sperm. That's very important.
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So if I just lose a little bit of weight, that will have a big impact on my testosterone levels.
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And there's things that I can do to make my sex span last as long as my lifespan.
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Let's talk about that. It's not a little bit. So the best study was the European Male Aging Study, Fred Wu. And what he showed was this. It's a bidirectional relationship. If you lose 10% of your body weight, you can actually gain 85 nanograms per deciliter in serum testosterone. If you lose 15% of your body weight, you can actually gain 250 nanogram per deciliter in serum.
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So it's actually significant if you can lose, but it also goes the other way. You gain weight, you drop the T proportionally as well. The only issue is I can get the patients to lose the weight, but I can't get them to sustain it. Many times they gain it back.
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right but if they can keep the weight off it significantly increase uh the testosterone levels the best data we've seen is in the bariatric surgery data if i do bariatric surgery on a patient which is to help them lose weight you can shrink the stomach we do surgery to help them lose weight they lose quite a bit of weight their t levels go quite up right and so again there is a strong correlation between weight and testosterone have you got any examples of
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There's many things you can do. And I call it the four pillars. The first is diet, exercise, sleep, and stress reduction. I don't have a pill on the planet stronger than diet, exercise, sleep, and stress reduction. And each one of those can significantly improve a man and a woman's sex span, but also their health span and their lifespan. The other is hormones. Testosterone, extremely important.
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Patients where you've given them testosterone treatment in some form, you've done something to increase their testosterone, and you've seen a remarkable reported difference in their sex life.
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All the time. Yeah, so first let's backtrack. There's two ways to give a person testosterone. If I give a young man testosterone, remember it causes infertility. So you would never give someone testosterone if they're planning to have children, right? That's very important, right? So I have two ways to raise their testosterone. I can give you medications to raise your natural testosterone.
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There's several. There's a pill called clomiphene citrate. There's HCG. I can use medications to raise your own natural testosterone. and they preserve your fertility. The second option is I can give you medications like testosterone. There's seven of them, but they will shut your natural production down.
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Not only will they shut your natural testosterone production down, but they will shut down your sperm production. Now, if you've already had your kids, you're 60 years old, your testosterone level is already low in the first place, what are you preserving? Okay, it makes a lot of sense. And there's seven ways to do it. My favorite way are the injectables and the oral testosterone.
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They are fantastic. Oral testosterone is quite interesting. You know, first of all, testosterone was invented in 1935. This is not a new drug, 1935. And oral testosterone initially was feared because it would actually cause liver toxicity and liver cancer. And it wasn't until the 1970s when they were able to make oral testosterone undecanoate.
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His groundbreaking research has significantly contributed to improving sexual health and fertility. Millions of men and women are suffering from sexual problems like infertility and sexual dysfunction. For example, in the U.S., roughly 43 to 48 percent of women suffer from female sexual dysfunction, which involves four components that we're going to talk about. But we also know that premature
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And what's nice about undecanoate, it bypasses the liver, no cancer, but it had to be taken three to four times a day. It was available in the UK as a drug called Andriol, all over the world, but not the US. The US, we did not get our first oral testosterone till 2019. And then 2022, we received two more. And now we have Talando, Jatenzo, and Kizatrex is our oral.
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They're taken twice a day with a meal. What's nice about Kizatrex, it's actually available in the UK. So in the UK now, they can actually get Kizatrex as well. But oral testosterone, most patients don't mind taking a pill, and it seems very easy to do.
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So should someone like me be taking testosterone?
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If your levels are low and you're symptomatic, and I think that's very important. If a man comes in with low levels of testosterone and says, I feel great. I have no symptoms. I said, I'm not giving it to you. These are the symptoms. Low energy, low libido, erectile dysfunction, decreased muscle mass, increased fat deposition, poor sleep, and depression.
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These are some of the common symptoms you'll see. Most sensitive symptoms are the sexual symptoms, erectile dysfunction and low libido. So if he says I have these symptoms and my levels are low and I recheck it and confirm that it's low, that man is a candidate for testosterone therapy.
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But if he's young, hasn't had children yet, I'm going to say, look, let's hold off on giving you testosterone and use medications. to make you make testosterone. And if you don't want to take medications, actually there are many things you can do on lifestyle modification to raise your testosterone. We talked about weight loss as well. So let's live in this area here.
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You are too young to take testosterone now. But conversely, let's say a patient comes in and has every single sign and symptom of low testosterone, but his testosterone levels are normal. I'm not giving him testosterone because it could be something else. Maybe he's depressed. Maybe he has a low thyroid. Something else is going on.
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So you must have signs and symptoms and a low T-level to be a candidate. And if you fit that, then you may benefit.
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What about women?
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So this is important. In 1935, when testosterone was invented, it wasn't many years later until they actually started using testosterone in women. And early reports of testosterone in women were actually quite remarkable. The earlier manuscripts described improved quality of life, improved libido. And if you and I walked into the drugstore today and said, give me the testosterone for women,
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It does not exist. There is not a single FDA-approved testosterone for women in the United States, but we have well over a dozen for men.
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Testosterone supplementation can significantly improve a man and a woman's sexual function. And unfortunately for women in the United States, we don't have very many options. Actually globally for women, there's not many options. But I think it's important, hormone replacement therapy. And one more thing, I think about the couple. Think about sex ban as a couple's disease.
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Can you explain this to me just because I want to make sure I'm clear? Why would a woman take testosterone? Because when I think of testosterone, I think of men.
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Yes. So women make more testosterone than any other hormone in their body. make more testosterone than any other hormone in their body, right? And when women have higher levels of testosterone, they tend to see a greater improvement in libido, muscle mass, bone mineral density, sense of well-being, some of reported improvements in cognition.
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As the testosterone level goes down, we start seeing these symptoms, particularly low libido. If you give a woman back her testosterone, many of these women see a significant improvement in their libido. But the issue is that we don't have an FDA-approved product for testosterone in the United States. I think in the UK you call it off-license. We call it off-label.
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Now, in the UK, they did have one. They had a wonderful patch called Entrinza. And the women in the UK could get the patch for testosterone, go into the drugstore. NHS covered it. And it was fine. Then they had Androfem and Androfem was actually approved and now no longer is approved. So now in the UK, you'd also don't have an on-license medication.
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You can still get Androfem from Australia, but unfortunately it's very difficult to get. So what do we do? We use the drugs for men and we give it to the women in one-tenth the dose. That's all we do. So if we have a packet that a man puts on a day, we say use one-tenth of the packet every day for the women. And they can see significant improvements. It is not illegal to give a woman testosterone.
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It's just considered off-label or off-license. But they see significant improvements. In what? Sexual function by far the most. Libido goes up. No question. Many women report that. Muscle mass. If you think about testosterone, bodybuilders take testosterone for a reason. Why? It significantly improves muscle mass. It can decrease fat deposition. Many patients will report improvements in cognition.
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It can help with bone mineral density as well in men and women. And I also believe in depression. So I think testosterone does help with depression. I just want to just make a very important point. Testosterone is not just about sex. There are five other things that you need to think about in men and women, and I want to talk about those.
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Men with low testosterone levels are much more likely to have a heart attack, non-negotiable. Men with low testosterone levels are much more likely to have diabetes, obesity. Men with low testosterone levels are much more likely to suffer from depression. Men with low testosterone levels are much more likely to have a bone fracture. So it's not just about sex. It's about their overall health.
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And if you were to check one blood test to assess a man's overall health, it's his testosterone level. One blood test to check his overall health, it would be because it affects heart. Diabetes, obesity, bone marrow density, energy, muscle mass, erections, libido, one blood test. I can't think of another blood test that has a better barometer of overall health.
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I want to get clear on something because I've heard people talking on my podcast before about HRT and women taking HRT because of menopause and things like that. Does HRT have testosterone in it?
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No. So typically when we say HRT, we're talking about estrogen and progesterone, typically. And typically when we talk about TRT, testosterone placement therapy, it's a little bit different. In a woman, there's something I call the triangle. And it's just basically estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone. Just simple.
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Let me give you an example. Tomorrow, Stephen, are you married or? Well, I'm in a long-term relationship. Your partner. So let's say your partner tomorrow says to you, I am no longer going to have sex with you unless you cheat on her or you leave her. you're not going to have sex again, right? Think about the importance of the couple. So I talk about this quite often. Keep your partner engaged.
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And if you have a woman who's deplete in estrogen, testosterone, and estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, and replace it, many of those women feel better, right? So many of them do. There are other hormones that are also important. I call it the outside circle, cortisol, thyroid, growth hormone. We look at those as well. And so I think those are also very important.
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And I tell them, we're going to optimize your hormones. But we're going to optimize your medical condition. But that is only 50% of the story. The other 50%, again, is diet, exercise, sleep, and stress reduction. And if you do your part and I do my part, we're on fire. We're absolutely on fire. But you have to do your part. Same with men. I put you on the testosterone.
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I optimize your medical conditions. But you've got to exercise. You've got to eat right.
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Why aren't women being prescribed testosterone then? Yeah.
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Right, because it's considered – well, in many countries, in Australia, it's available. In the UK, it was available. And many women are being prescribed testosterone. It's just off-label.
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It is the first time that I've seen someone, on my show anyway, really emphasize the point that testosterone isn't just for men. It's for women as well. And it can significantly improve their quality of life. Talking about testosterone, one of the big conversations that's rattling on on the internet is about this decline in male testosterone over the last couple of years.
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What exactly is that decline, if you had to sort of quantify it?
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If you look at the original studies, we call it the Framingham Heart Study back in the 70s, testosterone levels were roughly around the 700s. Average men between the ages of 18 and 40 were around the 700s. And every decade, we're starting to see a decline almost by 50 nanogram per deciliter. And so the latest 2015 numbers are roughly in the mid-400s.
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So we've seen almost a 300 mg per deciliter decline in serum testosterone, which is significant because it has two implications. It's not just about the way you feel and energy, muscle mass, erectile function, but that low testosterone can have implications on fertility. That's really important, so we didn't talk about that. But fertility, sperm need testosterone.
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Low testosterone decreases your sperm count. Sperm counts have also been on the decline as well. So I think it's really a testament to the fact that decade by decade, we're becoming a more unhealthy population.
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Do you think that's really the heart of it? Is this sort of our diets and the way we live and becoming more sedentary, less exercise, more processed food, et cetera? Do you think that's the heart of it?
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I think that's the key. That's absolutely the key. The types of foods we eat, the processed foods that we eat, high fructose, high carbohydrate diets. And the way we know that is just look at the obesity. Look at the diabetes. There has to be a reason why it's on the rise, right? Yeah.
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And on that point of fertility I'm in a season of life where I'm going to be trying to have kids pretty soon what's the most important things I should be thinking about from a lifestyle perspective in your view?
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Yeah. So I tell patients Darwinism. In other words, survival of the fittest. Healthier people are more fertile, right? You're passing on the genes. So essentially we tell patients the number one cause of infertility in the world for men is a varicocele. A varicocele is the swelling of the veins around the testicle. You know how women sometimes can get swelling of the veins in their legs?
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You see those veins that are kind of obvious? Well, men can get those veins dilated around the testicle. And those varicoceles can impair sperm production. Now, 15% of men in the world walk around with varicoceles, but up to 40% of men with infertility will have varicoceles. So it's really important to assess for the varicoceles.
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Keep your partner healthy if you want to prolong your sex span.
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But lifestyle modification, each one again, diet, exercise, sleep, have been shown to help improve fertility in men as well. So I say healthier people are more fertile. I need you to start getting healthier. That's very important. We raise the testosterone level in many of these men naturally. We don't give it to them to help improve their fertility as well. But check your semen analysis.
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That's the simplest thing you can do. Check it. I did that. It's a great predictor. There were so many amazing studies showing that a semen analysis is a phenomenal predictor of overall health. Many studies showing that if your semen analysis today is impaired, it's a predictor of you having comorbid conditions today like diabetes, obesity, metabolic syndrome. It's also a predictor of cancer.
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So I've got two questions here. The first of which is, who have you worked with in your career? And the second question is, what is your CV? Give me a rundown of your professional experience.
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So we know that if you have infertility, you're at a higher risk of having testicular cancer than those that don't have infertility. It's also a predictor of who will have problems in the future. Mike Eisenberg once showed a very nice study. Men who have low sperm counts can have a 30% increased risk in diabetes, 50% increased risk in ischemic heart disease in the future.
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Tom Walsh showed those men can have 2.5 times higher risk of high-grade prostate cancer in the future. So again, to me, it's just a marker of overall health. Check the semen analysis.
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I did that and it was quite, I was actually, to be honest, I was really quite nervous about it because as someone who's in my early 30s and wants to have kids, I was really scared that it would come back and say that like my sperm is dysfunctional. And I've got a huge amount of empathy and, you know, feelings for people that do those analysis and get bad results back.
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15% of all couples in the world, 15% suffer from infertility. That's a lot. And if you think about it, 30% of the time it's a male factor, 30%. 20% of the time it's a male and a female factor combined. So indirectly, a male is involved 50% of the time when you have an infertile couple. And it can be devastating for that couple. I mean, psychologically devastating.
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And what's also interesting is that most couples, most couples, 50% of couples don't seek therapy. And of those couples that do seek therapy, this is globally, only 25% of those couples actually go forward. And so I call this a group of individuals that also suffer in silence. They should know that there are excellent treatment options available.
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Yeah, so I started my residency in 2000. And I did my residency in 2000, one year of general surgery. I did five years of urology training. And then I did one year of a fellowship in men's health. As soon as I finished my training, I joined the university at Baylor College of Medicine.
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This graph that I had printed out is just shocking to me. It's going back to the point about testosterone. But the really shocking thing is how quickly this has happened. Yeah. Because this is the year 2000, and this is the year 2015-16. And the decline there is from roughly 600 nanograms, is it?
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Yes, nanogram per deciliter.
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nanogram per deciliter to roughly, for some age groups here, 400 nanograms per deciliter. And that's only in 16 years. So if you play that forward another 16 years, there's going to be a bit of an infertility crisis.
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There is. Fortunately, on that graph, it's plateauing a little bit, which makes me feel a little comfortable. It's plateauing just a little bit. But you're right, it could be a significant crisis. And again, as I mentioned, it's the adolescents, the younger folks who are having the greatest rise of obesity. And that's where fertility comes in.
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Because fertility, obesity in someone in 60s is not concerned about fertility. But a young patient who has infertility, obesity will have a higher risk of infertility.
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If you're an entrepreneur, you're probably going to want to listen to this. It's a message from one of our sponsors on this podcast, which is LinkedIn. If you've listened to me on this podcast for a while now, you'll know that I've been on a bit of an evolution as a business owner and entrepreneur.
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And one of those evolutions that has become clearer and clearer as I've matured is that the single most important thing in building a business, in building a company, is hiring. The definition of the word company is actually group of people. And that is the first responsibility and job that any entrepreneur has and should focus on. But surprisingly, most don't.
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Just go to linkedin.com slash DOAC to post your free job ad today. That's linkedin.com slash DOAC. Terms and conditions apply. Me and my partner came to you and we said, listen, we've got sexual problems in the bedroom. What are the steps that you would, the things you'd look at that we haven't focused on so much today?
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Is there anything in particular you'd say, okay, and I'm trying to stay away from being prescribed a pill. So I want to do anything natural I can before I get to that. And then we'll talk about some of the other more Drastic measures one can take.
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So let's talk about natural things because everyone wants to know about what's the natural things I can do. So when we talk about diet, there's certain diets that have been helpful to improve sexual function. For me, it's the Mediterranean diet. The Mediterranean diet is rich in whole grains, legumes, fruits, vegetables. And if you look at red meat and sweets, it's once a month.
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And I started a basic science laboratory where we do basic science research in sexual medicine and testosterone for the past 17 years. And I just started a clinical trial. So I have a clinical arm. We do clinical research. I see approximately 150 patients a week every week. I do approximately six to eight surgeries every week. And I still work at the VA hospital.
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If you look at poultry, it's maybe once a week, but mainly fish. Those diets have typically been anti-inflammatory diets. Many studies have shown that that diet can significantly improve erectile function. And one study, the Medida trial, actually showed that it improves sexual function in men and women. So I'm a big believer in using the Mediterranean diet.
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When Esposito did her first trial, it was a prospective trial, 110 obese men, 55 men get a Mediterranean diet. 55 men don't get any intervention at all. She follows them prospectively for two years. What does she find? Not only a significant improvement in endothelial function, remember that lining of the blood vessel, but a significant improvement in erectile function in these men.
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No Viagra, no pills, nothing. Simply nothing. changing the diet improved the erectile function. And the same with sexual function in women. So that's an important one. The second is sleep. Let's talk about sleep. So studies show that if you're getting less than six hours of sleep a night, it significantly increases your risk for sexual dysfunction in men and women. Right.
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Ideal amount of sleep should be seven to eight hours. Now, let's say you say, well, that makes sense. Maybe I'm going to get sleep for nine to 10 hours because the more sleep I get, the better my sexual function. But that's not true. It plateaus. So if I'm above nine hours, it does not increase your ability or sexual function. So seven to eight hours of sleep a night, I need you to get.
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Third is I really need you to focus on exercise. So I published a very nice study looking at, it was a meta-analysis on how much exercise one needs and what type of exercise to actually improve erectile function. In this study, typically you need 160 minutes a week. So 40 minutes, four times a week for a course of six months of moderate to severe exercise, vigorous exercise.
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And so most people can get 160 minutes in a week of exercise, but that's getting your heart rate up and doing the exercise. Significantly improved erectile function in men if you did that. And the more severe your ED was, the greater improvement you saw in erectile function strictly by exercise alone. No other interventions even, just exercise.
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So here you have a patient that now starts doing some exercise, starts sleeping better, starts changing the diet. It's all additive. You are now significantly improving erectile function just by lifestyle modification alone.
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Pretty profound that exercise can have such a big impact, isn't it? Is that the same for women?
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It is true because many of the things – so unfortunately, once again, the research we have in women is not close to what we have in men. But the Medida trial was also in women. The sleep studies were also in women. And so these studies also show that sexual function can be improved with sleep and with diet. I think that men and women are not that different.
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I mean, if you see a significant improvement in a male sexual function with diet, exercise and sleep, you can also see it in women as well. Actually, there was a great study. This looked at 110 women and they had coronary artery stenosis. They did angiograms on 110 women and they showed... that the greater her stenosis she had, the worse her sexual function.
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It's a veteran government hospital, one half day a week working with the veterans. So it's quite busy. But, you know, my passion really is education, research, and clinical care. And that's what we do. And so, you know, when I started my – how I really got into this was when I finished my training, I was so proud of myself. I was able to get these men these amazing erections, these great libidos.
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So the greater the blockage in her heart, the worse her sexual function. They put those women on a cardiac rehab program to actually improve their cardiac function. So a diet and exercise program. And those women that actually were through the program, fourfold increase almost in their sexual function. Well, 400%.
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Fourfold.
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40%?
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40%. Jesus.
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50% at 50. 60% at 60. 70 at 70. 80 at 80. You do the math. It essentially is a very prevalent condition. This condition is associated with increased cardiovascular events. It's the first sign of a heart attack. We talked about that. This condition is associated with two and a half times more likely to be anxious, three and a half times more likely to suffer from depression.
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And this condition is also associated with diabetes. In other words, men with ED, two times more likely to have undiagnosed diabetes. And yet, only 50% of men even talk about it because they're so embarrassed. So you show me another condition in the world that affects more men's lives, that's associated with more adverse conditions, and they're too embarrassed to speak about it.
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They suffer in silence. There's not another condition. There's not another condition, but yet we're embarrassed to discuss it. I used to give these lectures, and I would look out to the audience. I'd say, please raise your hand if you suffer from hypertension. And many people raise their hand, they have high blood pressure. I say, okay, please raise your hand if you suffer from sexual dysfunction.
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No hands go up. But statistically, you know that over 50% of those people had sexual dysfunction. So why is it okay to raise your hand if you have hypertension? but not okay to raise your hand if you have sexual dysfunction. It's got to stop. We have to destigmatize. It's okay to have sexual dysfunction. It's a common condition. It's curable.
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Why don't men raise their hands from a psychological standpoint? Why is that?
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I think they're embarrassed. I think that historically sexual dysfunction looks as like a weakness. I'm not a man, less of a man. You know, you have hypertension. It doesn't mean you're less of a man, right? But they have this assumption that that it's a weakness, less of a man. And I think that it's okay. You have to be comfortable saying that you have sexual dysfunction.
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There are amazing treatment options for sexual dysfunction, amazing, that work very, very well. You just have to raise your hand and let me know that you have it. I just want to make one other comment about diabetes. There was a study that came out of St. Louis looking at young men, 18 to 40 years old, and they were screening them for erectile dysfunction.
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And what they found was when those men came in for erectile dysfunction, 30% of those men had prediabetes or diabetes on that day, on the day they were being diagnosed, 30%. And I thought to myself – Young men do not go get screened. I remember when I was 30 years old, I didn't go in for my annual blood pressure check and my sugar check. There's no way I'd get my glucose checked.
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But if a young man gets erectile dysfunction, he is at my front door first thing tomorrow morning. They show up. That's the first thing they're going to do because it's a very big condition to them and they want to get treated. And that is the opportunity to treat these young men and treat the condition.
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If you see a young man or someone who comes in for ED and you screen them for diabetes and I catch the diabetes at 30 as opposed to 40, that is 10 years of damage on the vessels that you're saving. because you catch the disease early. So ED is the gateway to men's health and to treating men early before it's too late.
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And I realized one day this woman called me and she was frantic. And she said, look, you're treating my husband. You're able to get him these great erections, great libido, but I don't want to have sex with him. And he wants to have sex with me all the time. And now we have a terrible relationship. You've ruined our relationship. And I thought to myself, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense.
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So I really use sexual health as a tool, a vehicle to improve overall health because men take sexual health much more seriously, particularly young men.
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Have you ever had sexual dysfunction?
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I have not.
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Never in your life?
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I have not.
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I have.
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I have not. But it doesn't mean that it's not. But it's okay if I did. There's nothing wrong with it. It's normal. It's okay. And it's transient. It can be temporary and come back. It's nothing wrong with having sexual dysfunction. We must destigmatize it. It's completely okay.
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The reason I'm showing this is because if anyone else has been in the situations, the situations I've been in are generally my sex life has been good my whole life. But there's been certain times with certain partners or, you know, you might be drunk a little bit. Or in the day when I was single, there was like the old person who for some reason, it just wasn't working for me.
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Or there was other instances in a previous relationship where near the end of the relationship, I'd lose my erection during sex. And that became a little bit bothersome for me because I was like, oh my God, it almost made me not want to have sex with this person. Or it convinced me that maybe I don't like them anymore or something else was going on. And for me, it has always been...
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what's the word you use psychogenic yes it's always been in my head that the problems have arose and the other part of the thing that i've experienced a lot is in terms of libido i have like no libido when actually it's like different when i'm when work is very very busy and i'm very very tired and i come home very very late it's not that i'm not horny but i just the act of sex is just really unappealing
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But you're just like everyone else. You're not unique when it comes to that.
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Yeah. But much of my life is like that. I come home late a lot. So I'm like tired and stressed quite a lot.
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Right. But what if I took you and your partner and put you on a beautiful island in Hawaii for two weeks?
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Oh, we have great sex. Okay. Yeah. So that's kind of like how we've orientated our life, honestly. Okay. That's genuinely how we've orientated our life because I just don't think the way – I obviously want to make lifestyle changes to make sure that I'm not always coming home tired and stressed at 11 p.m. But one of the things that's really helped us is –
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you know, going away on the weekends and going away maybe on Friday and coming back on Monday and getting out of the same context. So like getting out of the house and going to a, even like going to a hotel room, it's actually a bit of a game changer that you can just like go to a hotel room in the same city, like a book a staycation.
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Yes.
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And that seems to have a big impact because it just removes you from the context. Right. And then like, yeah, going away for the weekends, holidays and stuff. A lot of my friends say to me, they go, when they're struggling with their sex life, they just like book a local sort of staycation.
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And I wonder why. Also, I don't have kids. So I've not experienced the impact that kids can have.
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Which can have a significant impact. Really? Right. Because it increases your stress. Right. Particularly for your, many times for the partner as well. So if you both are stressed because of the children, sex goes lower and lower on the totem pole.
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And underslept as well.
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Right. If you're not sleeping, if you're having to wake up in the middle of the night, gosh.
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Isn't there stats that say like when someone has a kid, their sex life like vanishes for 18 months or something?
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I don't know. I'm not familiar with that stat, but I believe it. I believe it. I believe it.
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I read something about post having a kid, libido, but also just like sexual function.
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It makes sense. I see it in couples. And particularly, you know, many times it can take years for them to start engaging sexually because the stress is so high, particularly when they originally have the child.
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But she was right. You know, in sexual medicine, either leave both libidos low or raise them both. But don't raise one or the other. It's a setup for disaster. So very quickly that year, I went out and flew out to meet with Dr. Erwin Goldstein, who's considered one of the godfathers of female sexual dysfunction. I spent some time with him, went to his courses.
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There was a British study done that found over 80% of women experience sexual problems three months postpartum with nearly two-thirds still affected at six months. Yes. Which is a lot of – It's a lot of women. A lot of women. Yeah. And that's a significant amount of time.
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So what about premature ejaculation? Let's talk about it. Very important. So sexual dysfunction. We've been talking about ED today, right? But there are many different types of sexual dysfunction. Yeah. There's premature ejaculation. There's Peyronie's disease. There's delayed ejaculation. We're just focusing on one aspect. Premature ejaculation affects 30% of men globally, 30% of men.
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How do you define that? There's two ways to think about it. When they come in, you have to figure out, is this lifelong, going their whole life, or is this acquired? It's very important because it takes me down two different roads. If you say, look, I've never had premature ejaculation, and yesterday it started.
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That's very different than if you come to me and say, my whole life I had premature ejaculation. And we now define premature ejaculation as having an ejaculation less than two minutes. It used to be one minute, less than two minutes. You have to have a loss of control. Like I couldn't control it and you have to be bothered by it.
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So if you tell me, Stephen, look, I ejaculate in 30 seconds and I'm happy. I say, great. Then we're done. You are content. You have to be bothered by the condition. The average ejaculatory time in the United States is 5.4 minutes on average. The average time for a woman to achieve orgasm is typically 13.4 minutes. So there's a big discrepancy here as you can see.
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So 30% of men suffer, but we know that only a small percentage of these men, 9% of these men, will ever seek therapy. And it can be a significant problem in a relationship that needs to be addressed.
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Okay, so there's not like a time limit. It's not like, okay, if you're coming within two minutes, then you've got a problem.
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Let's say you're not bothered by it. Let's say you and your partner are completely satisfied with it. What's the problem?
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What's the problem? And sometimes if you think about acquired means that typically we define it as 50% less than your normal time. So if you say, look, I typically used to ejaculate in eight minutes and now it's four minutes and it's bothering me. I'd say, okay, that's an issue. You know, so we talk, it's relative. What's comfortable for you?
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And some men will say, you know, so I think it's very important to look at the definition. The treatment options are actually quite simple. One of the best treatment options is sex therapy because we can train your mind. We can train you to delay that ejaculation. There's techniques, the start-stop technique, the squeeze technique, how we can delay it. No, but there is.
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But most men say, just give me a pill. I don't have the time for this. Just give me a pill. But there are ways to do it with sex therapy, which I think are fantastic. Sex therapy is a cure. The pill is just a Band-Aid, right? Sex therapy is a cure. But the pills that we use, the most commonly used pills are antidepressants because they increase serotonin and make it harder to ejaculate.
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Well, that's what we want in this situation. We want to delay the ejaculation. So we can use antidepressants. They sometimes have to be taken daily, which work better. Or you may have to take it on demand. But if you take it on demand, six to eight hours ahead of time. So you need some notice.
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But there's going to be – Significant side effects of taking antidepressants.
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Yeah, there are side effects of antidepressants. So I try to stay away from them. And the other ones I try to use are topical lidocaine sprays. Because if I decrease the sensitivity of the penis, you're more likely to be able to engage in sexual activity for a longer period of time. So those are commonly used. So sex therapy and sprays are very easy to use. You don't need a prescription for sprays.
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And they're commonly used. One thing that we have to talk about that's really important is the Traverse trial. It's really big. Everyone historically has always said that testosterone is dangerous. It causes prostate cancer, and it causes a heart attack and a stroke. And in 2015, there were some studies that suggested testosterone may cause a heart attack.
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And for the past 16 years, I've been treating women as well. You can't just treat one patient without addressing the other. And so therefore, it's a couple's disease.
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Before 2015, all the studies suggested that there was no increased risk. So in the United States, they mandated that there be a large trial, 5,200 patients, six years long, strictly to decide, does testosterone increase the risk of a heart attack? So myself and eight others designed the study, ran the study for six years, and we published it last year. It finally came out.
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And it showed that there was no significant increase in cardiovascular events, finally. But until that time, until that came out, many people said, I still believe that testosterone causes a heart attack. But when the TRAVERSE trial came out, the largest randomized placebo-controlled trial ever published, we finally showed that giving testosterone did not increase the risk of a heart attack.
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In fact, the study also showed it did not increase the risk of prostate cancer. Many people are worried that testosterone causes prostate cancer and cancer. No negative effect on urinary symptoms. So many people have thought that if I give testosterone, the urinary symptoms become worse. The study showed no worsening of urinary symptoms. So very important study.
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The Traverse trial finally came out. It's the largest trial in men ever published on testosterone.
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Will it reduce my lifespan?
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Well, low testosterone, I believe, will reduce your lifespan.
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I mean taking like testosterone injections and stuff. Sometimes I think about like, again, I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but I think about athletes taking steroids.
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And give me a flavor of the types of conversations you have on day one when they walk into your practice, when they come to see you. What is the issue that they say they have? And how do they express it? Like, what are the words that they use? And if you could just give me like five of the most popular things people say to you when they come to see you.
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Different. Those athletes are taking supraphysiologic steroids. So the normal range is typically 300 to 1,000 is the normal range. And they will take testosterone levels to much higher, 2,000, 2,500. Okay. And there's a reason for that. There's something called a plateau effect.
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So if you take testosterone and you have better libido, you intuitively would think if I take more testosterone, I'll feel even better libido. But that's not true. There's a certain point at which it plateaus. So the more you take, you've already hit an on-off button. You've hit it. You're done. The exception is muscle.
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The more testosterone your body sees, the more it upregulates androgen receptors in the muscle and you put on more muscle. So bodybuilders are addicted to higher levels of testosterone. But they're also taking other off-label medications, Anivar, Deca, Winstroll. They're taking other medications and those testosterone formulations – have a lower androgenic ratio.
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Androgenic means facial hair, acne. They're more anabolic. So it's very different than what you're taking. You're simply, or you would be taking, is just all you're trying to do is take a medication that you had before and put yourself back into the normal range. Nothing fancy.
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So the more I've learned about testosterone, the more I've started to think that maybe when I've had my kids and I'm done having kids and maybe I'm 45, I should consider it, providing that my levels are low.
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But... The issue is that people don't talk about their sexual problems. They suffer in silence and they start avoiding sex, but it's curable. And I have two ways to raise their testosterone techniques to significantly improve the quality of your erections and natural ways to improve sexual function in men and women. So number one, most important is.
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And you're symptomatic. If you're 45 and you say, I feel great, I'm going to say, Stephen, you're not getting it. Right? I feel great. So if you say, look, I'm 45, my levels are low, and I'm starting to have symptoms. I say, okay. Okay.
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now's the time to consider taking the medication those symptoms you said were like tiredness energy levels well the most specific are my libido has gone down my erections are worse my energy has gone down increased fat deposition decreased muscle mass poor sleep and depression and we have to talk about depression
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So, early on in my career I conducted a very large trial looking at depression and testosterone and we had almost 850 patients and we showed that men with low testosterone levels were much more likely to suffer from depression. Almost 92% of those men with low testosterone had some degree of depression. And when we treated – 17% of those men actually had severe depression.
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We treated these men for one year with testosterone supplementation and that 17% dropped down to 2%. Now, I'm not advocating to treat major depressive disorder with testosterone. But what I am advocating for is to at least check a testosterone level in men who are depressed because it can help them.
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In fact, in our study, even the men who were on an antidepressant like say Prozac, we put them on testosterone. Those men also saw significant improvements in depression. So it may be some synergy between testosterone and what we call SSRIs. So again, it's very important to check a testosterone level in men who suffer from depression. You wrote a book called Recoupling.
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So listen, first of all, men and women are very different how they express it. So we'll talk with men. Most men, let's backtrack. Most men and women do not get any kind of medical care when they see their primary GP. In fact, most GPs don't address sexual dysfunction. There was a study looking at medical students. Only 65% of US medical students get training in sexual medicine.
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Yes. A Couple's Four-Step Guide to Greater Intimacy and Better Sex. Yes. What are the four steps in this book? And you wrote this alongside it?
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Over 10 years ago, yes. So I wrote it with a sex therapist. She's an amazing sex therapist. Her name is Mary Jo Rapini. And we decided to write a book together to really help couples get through. So the four steps really are, number one, foremost, communication. You got to communicate. You got to at least be able to tell each other. Did you know that
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For only 44% of men who start developing ED even tell their partners. Now think about that. You say, what do you mean they don't tell their partner? You know what they do? They just start avoiding sex. They just start avoiding sex. So they got to communicate, number one.
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And making excuses, right? If I lost my erection, I'd probably say, oh, sorry, I'm just tired. You know, because I want to just, on this point, much of the reason why it's hard to communicate is because it can sound a lot like blame and it also can make someone feel like you're not into them. Right. So if I said, and maybe you're not that into them.
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And also maybe you're not like that attracted to them. So like that could be.
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That's a problem.
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That's an issue. And that's why the sex therapist is amazing. Right. That's what they do. Right. That's what they do. They work through these issues with couples and they're fantastic. But the number one step we put in the book was communication. You have to communicate. The second chapter was my main chapter, what I wrote about. What can we do to improve sexual dysfunction in men and women?
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Testosterone replacement therapy, using Viagra, vaginal lubrications, local vaginal estrogen therapy. We didn't talk about that. It's critical for postmenopausal women. Local vaginal estrogen therapy is very important. Decreases this risk of UTIs, decreases pain with intercourse. So very important. The third chapter really- So what is that vaginal- So younger women- have estrogen in the vagina.
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That estrogen is so important. It keeps all the bad bacteria away and keeps the good bacteria within the vagina. It keeps the lining of the wall thick. It allows for the vagina wall to function with arousal properly. And as she gets older and she goes through menopause, the estrogen goes away, the bad bacteria come in, the risk of urinary tract infections go up,
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the wall starts to atrophy, means it gets thinner. It's more susceptible to injury and tear. It hurts, right? So you can't ask a woman to enjoy sex if it hurts every time she has sex.
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I've heard a lot of women talking about that, about this idea that the reason they don't like to have sex is because it hurts.
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It hurts because when they lose the estrogen, the wall gets very thin. And it can tear. It hurts. But even young women? Young women, but it's usually typically a different reason. They could suffer from vaginismus. There's other things that could cause vestibulitis. But in older women, the most common cause is atrophy of the vaginal wall because of the lack of estrogen. So what do you do?
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You give back local estrogen therapy. It can be in the form of a suppository, form of a cream. It doesn't happen overnight. I tell my patients it can take up to three months. But after three months, they notice a difference. and the urinary tract infections go away, the pain goes down, right? So these are simple things that women can do to help.
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And of those 65, 50% of those students said that the training was terrible. So we don't get the sexual medicine training to address the problem for patients. So the majority of patients are never discussed about their sexual problems. But when men come in, most of them are coming in because they already have tried some medications that haven't worked and they're looking for other solutions.
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Because again, if someone's having pain with intercourse, man or woman, they will tend to avoid it, right? It's an important concept. So the second chapter is really important on what are the many different things that you can do to improve your sexual function. The third chapter is really about intimacy. It's really the intimacy.
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And the fourth chapter really is ways to improve your sexual experience. It was written by my sex therapist. She talks about vibrators, masturbation. So there's a four-step guide that I think is very helpful. And I think what's unique about this book is that really it's really two perspectives. It's one who is the medical care that I provide and the psychological care that she provides.
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Now, she's obviously handling the psychological side of things and she's not here. But just on this point of improving communication, what is the best advice you'd give to people that are currently in a situation where they're both kind of suffering in silence because they're just not communicating with each other?
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Number one, most important is time. We don't spend enough time. It's basically the shadows in the night. You coming in, I'm going out, and it's you have to make time. That's extremely important. And the second one is open dialogue. You have to be able to express to your partner what you're suffering from. Otherwise, you can't get treated. You just have to be able to express it.
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But time, I think, is important and open communication and dialogue. There's nothing embarrassing about this. It really is something that needs to be destigmatized and the consequences of addressing it. So couples who engage in regular sexual activity have a significant improvement in the quality of their relationship. They tend to be happier and suffer from less depression.
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I mean there are physical and emotional benefits from regular sexual activity.
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In the opener of the book where you start talking about communication, there's a sentence that says – when sex isn't going well, it can become 90% of the relationship and couples seldom know how to communicate about any of these problems. And that is true.
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You know, we've done a couple of conversations now on the diversity about sex and intimacy in these subjects and the amount of messages that I get from couples saying that everything else in their relationship is great.
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Everything is great. Love this person so much. But there's this massive elephant in the room. Right. No pun intended, which is the lack of sexual intimacy. Now, when we talk about sexual intimacy... Does it mean penetration?
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Yeah, it doesn't. Because the definition of sex span is the ability and the desire to engage in satisfying sexual activity. I have patients that come to me and say, we do not have penetrative sex, but we have a wonderful sex life. I say, great. If this is working for you because it's satisfying sexual activity, you're set, right? It's if you want
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penetrative sex and you cannot have it, then we will address it and we can fix it. But you get to define, Stephen, you define what is satisfying sexual activity.
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On chapter four, where you talk about things like vibrators and stuff like that, I know that was a chapter handled by your sex therapist, according to what you said. Is there any risk that using vibrators or other toys and tools will impact your normal intimacy without vibrators? Like, is there any studies that say, okay, you get desensitized to the real thing if you start using a vibrator?
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Yeah, I've seen the opposite. I've seen that the studies showing that vibrators and these kinds of toys can actually enhance the ability of the relationship so that you can, because you're communicating as you're doing it, right? So you're communicating with your partner, what is giving me pleasure? What is not giving me pleasure? You're learning about each other.
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Now, there's two simple questions you can ask a man. They're very straightforward. Are you able to get an erection sufficient for penetration? It's either yes or no. Now, are you able to maintain that erection until orgasm or pleasure? It's either yes or no. If he answers no to either one of those questions, he suffers from erectile dysfunction, right?
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And it's a great tool to use to learn about each other. So when you're engaging in sexual activity, you're more aware.
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I think it was a game changer for me. I'm going to be honest. I think just having other things. Do you know why it's a game changer? And I'm not just talking about vibrators.
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I'm talking about all toys in the bedroom, whether it's like dice or handcuffs or whether it's something else, a blindfold, is just because novelty, doing new things, for me is so critical as it relates to being excited sexually. And there's only so many things you can do there's a relatively limited list of things you could do if you're not bringing in other tools and toys and stuff.
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So I think that for me, it actually has helped me to prolong the novelty of my sexual relationship in a way that nobody told me about before. Because I think as a guy especially, I think you kind of think that toys are something your partner buys for herself maybe. Yeah. something she uses for herself. And now I think, if anything, I'm the instigator of using other things.
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Yeah, that's chapter four. I mean, and we prescribe vibrators for men. We use something called Viberect. It helps with men with delayed orgasmia. These toys can be very helpful in a relationship.
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I think she prefers the toys to me, personally. But that's another conversation for another time. In terms of energy, there are so many reasons why I'm a big matcha fan, if you don't already know by now. And so much so that I actually invested in the UK's leading matcha company called Perfect Ted.
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What's the most important thing we haven't talked about that we should have?
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Well, there's a couple of things I want to talk about. One is we didn't talk about Peyronie's disease. It's an important disease. Nine percent of men in the world suffer from Peyronie's disease. Nine percent of men in the world. Peyronie's disease is an abnormal curvature of the penis when it's erect. So I want you to think about this.
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The way I can describe it is if I have a balloon, I put a piece of tape on the balloon. I blow the balloon up. What's going to happen? It's going to curve in the direction of the tape, right? So if a penis curves greater than 60 degrees, it's prohibitive for intercourse. These men are – many of these men suffer from severe depression. It's disfigurement. It's disfigurement of the penis, right?
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And so it's very important to get a detailed history. You want to ask particularly, are you able to get an erection on your own? Are you able to get an erection with masturbation? Do you wake up with morning erections? If he says, look, doc, I get great morning erections, or with masturbation, I have great erections, then this has to be psychogenic, right?
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So think about it. Nine percent of men in the world suffer from this condition and most men have never even heard of what Peyronie's disease is. And essentially, in the US, we have now one FDA-approved treatment for this. It's an injection called collagenase where we can put an injection into the rock plaque and break it up. There are surgeries that we can do to make the penis straight again.
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But again, it's very important to realize that patients who have Peyronie's disease are also suffering in silence. They don't know where to get the treatment. And there are many good treatment options, whether it be surgical or medical, to solve this condition. So, you know, my whole takeaway from this is this, is that...
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I know that millions of people right now, men and women, are suffering from sexual dysfunction. I know they're silent and they're not saying a word because they don't know where to go. They don't know what to do. But they have to realize that there are excellent treatment options available and they should seek therapy. They're not suffering alone. What else?
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I want you to think about sexual dysfunction as no longer a Band-Aid. We are not looking for Viagra. We are looking for a cure. We want a cure for ED. And a cure for ED could be based on many things, as I mentioned earlier, diet, exercise, sleep, stress. We've also moved into a new generation of regenerative therapies in my field. Stem cells, PRP, shockwave therapy.
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Now we're starting to look at radiofrequency in our laboratory. We're looking at hyperbaric oxygen. Men are looking for ways to cure this condition. They no longer want to take a pill to solve the problem. And so I think that's very important. And many of these new therapies are promising. I think shockwave therapy is very promising where we have a device that delivers shocks to the penile tissue.
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It's like – But I'll tell you. We've been doing it now for five years and it was invented in 2010. It's actually quite brilliant. If I take your finger and I take a hammer and I hit your finger multiple times, what do you think your finger is going to do? Your finger is going to start bringing in new blood vessels and new ways to heal your finger.
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So before urology, the cardiologists have been doing it for the heart for many years, and they would shock the heart many times, and you would see new blood vessels formed. It's called neoangiogenesis. Orthopedic surgeons have been doing it for a long period of time. In terms of injury, in terms of healing injury, they use shockwave therapy.
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We are new to the game, but what we see is when you give these shocks, it can potentially improve the blood flow and sexual function in men. And I think the new era could potentially be hyperbaric oxygen therapy. And also radiofrequency. Radiofrequency is a way to increase heat within the tissue and improve sexual function as well.
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So again, I think what you're going to see five to 10 years as we move forward is new ways to cure erectile dysfunction. Stem cells potentially have some promise as well. But patients don't want a pill anymore.
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With my partner, I cannot get an erection, but when I'm by myself, everything works fine. Psychogenic. Psychogenic ED. It's a big component. What is psychogenic? Something in the mind that's bothering you or inhibiting you from engaging in sexual activity. And that's where the sex therapist comes in, right?
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One thing we haven't talked directly about, but we've talked about it indirectly, is the role that trauma plays in sexual dysfunction and trauma in all of its forms. I think I had a partner who was very public again about the fact that the reason why they had sexual dysfunction was because, in their view, because they'd been through a sort of traumatic experience.
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How often do you see that in your office? How often do you see a patient come to you, man or woman, with some kind of trauma?
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We query all men and women if they've had any kind of trauma, sexual or just physical trauma. It doesn't have to be sexual trauma. It can be any kind of physical trauma. I will tell you that most patients don't disclose or not very commonly described having it. But they will many times disclose it to the sex therapist and I'll find out on the back end to be honest with you.
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But I think when someone discloses sexual trauma or trauma, it takes more of a relationship and time. On the first visit, sometimes they're not forthcoming. Yeah.
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What's that that you have in front of you on the desk? I've been hesitating talking about it.
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This is a penile implant. Oh, gosh. Yes, that's exactly what it is. And this is a device that was invented in 1973 by a very famous urologist named Dr. Brantley Scott. Brantley Scott, I will have to brag a little bit, was from my institution at Baylor College of Medicine. And this has been around for 51 years.
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And the penis actually has two bodies sitting on top and it has the urethra sitting on the bottom. And those two bodies have muscle inside them or casing. And what this device is, the surgery that I call them quite often, where we put these balloons or cylinders into those two bodies and fill them up.
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There's a small pump that goes into the scrotum, and there's a small reservoir that just holds water, normal saline, that goes behind the pubic bone, typically. When a man squeezes this, he starts filling up these cylinders with water, and it gives him a very rigid, very good erection.
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When he finishes engaging in sexual activity, he'll press this button here and it will actually release and all the fluid will come out of the penile bodies and go back into that reservoir. So theoretically, anyone who's willing to have this surgery, we can cure ED. But it's a surgery. And what's the consequence and cost of that in terms of sexual experience?
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Monetary costs, I would say that in the US, Medicare covers this product. So that's actually quite good. In terms of pleasure, men report no significant decline in pleasure. If you look at overall satisfaction, it's greater than 92% for patient and partner with the penile prosthesis. So it is a very... It's a game changer. It really is a game changer.
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Because if someone tells you, I get great erections by myself, but with my partner, I'm not able to get good erections. Psychologically, when they're with their partner, they're not able to achieve a good erection. Sex for men and women has a huge psychogenic component, a huge psychogenic component. So I think it's very important to get detailed history. Are they able to get erection?
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Most patients have never heard of it or most people have never heard of this penile prosthesis. But let's be honest. If you had a bad shoulder, you'd get a prosthetic. If you had a bad hip, you'd get a prosthetic. It's a prosthetic that fixes an organ. And Stephen, the satisfaction rate is extremely high. But I'll tell you something.
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You owe me something because when I brought this on the plane and I went through security, they maybe pulled this out and explained what this was, and nobody had heard of it. No one had seen this. Well, I had to explain it, and I had to pump it up and show them, but I had a little bit of an audience. But yes, but I will tell you this.
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This is something that really has revolutionized the way we treat men for erectile dysfunction.
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But this is surely like a last ditch attempt.
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It is because it is a last ditch attempt. Because if I take it out, no other treatments will ever work again. Oh, really? It's the end, right? So if I take it out, no other treatments will work again. So I want you to try every single option before we come to this.
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What situation does someone have to be in for you to insert this into their penis?
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So remember when I told you that 40% of men at 40, 50% at 50, and most patients will take Viagra. But I told you Viagra is not a cure. It's a Band-Aid. So what's going to happen? That Viagra is just like that pain pill. And that pain pill eventually is going to happen is you can't walk. Well, the same thing happens with ED. Eventually, the meds stop working.
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So once the meds stop working, and then the second level, we use something called penile injections. Some men will use penile injections. Once you've tried everything and nothing works, what are you going to do?
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Okay, so this is like a last... What are you going to do if you still want to get... But if I look at satisfaction rates, if I give men questionnaires for the pill, for the injections, vacuum reduction device, for the implant, highest satisfaction with the implant.
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At what point? What do you mean? How satisfied? From the starting point to... Right. Because if I'm starting at a point where I'm completely unable to get an erection, if anyone helps me get that thing up, my satisfaction is going to be really high.
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Right. But let's say you have an erection with a pill, you get an erection with an injection, you get an erection with a vacuum, and you get an erection with this. All four, you know, over time gave you an erection. Which gave you the best erection and which one were you most satisfied with? This will win.
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It's crazy. And can you still ejaculate with this?
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Yes, no issues. Gosh.
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No. I mean, again, I have tremendous sympathy because it ruins people's lives, right? It does. If you can't perform in that way and it destroys your relationships. And relationships are like the essence of life.
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But essentially you're taking someone who can't have sex who can now have sex again. And some would argue that they can have sex whenever they want as long as they want with this device, right? It only goes down when you tell it to go down.
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Dr. Mo, we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for.
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Yeah.
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And the question that has been left for you. No.
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is have you ever experienced anything that you cannot explain from a position of rational materialism i mean there's so many things in science that we can't explain so many things that are idiopathic that i have no explanation for um uh for example for fertility which is something we talked about 40 of men who come to me our explanation is no explanation we don't know why you're infertile right so obviously that's very uncomfortable for many patients to hear that
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But many things in science I have no explanation for. And many things that I do have an explanation for, we find out 10 years later we're wrong. So I think that's what comes to mind.
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What about any personal experiences at all in your life? Spiritual, religious?
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Yeah, I'm very spiritual. I'm very religious. Sometimes death. It's hard to explain, hard to understand.
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What did they try? What medications have they tried? You know, you have to query about depression. 66% of men who come in with ED have some degree of depression, 66%, right? And that's important. Anxiety, 35% is very important. And more importantly, we'll talk about this. ED is the first sign of other major adverse medical problems.
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Why?
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It's real. I see it every day. We see it when we do work. I see it personally in my own life. My father passed away at an early age from idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis. It's a condition where your lungs start to scar. It's probably the worst condition you could ask for. And he had to have a lung transplant at 70. So he was pretty young. And he retired at 69 and said, you know, he worked very hard.
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He was a general surgeon, single, you know, solo practice. And he said, one day I'll enjoy, one day I'll enjoy. And then at 69, he retires. He's ready to enjoy. At 70, he gets idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis. At 70, he gets a lung transplant and lives for five years with someone else's lungs, which is pretty tough. And his one message was, you know, don't wait to the end. Enjoy the ride.
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I wish I'd enjoyed the ride because waiting to the end, sometimes there may be no end.
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And by that, I interpreted that to mean that he'd worked his whole life very, very hard. Extremely hard. And he sort of delayed the gratification to a point that it didn't really come necessarily.
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He thought it would come at 70 and he'd enjoy the last 15 years and enjoy. But at 69, he got idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis. At 70, he got a lung transplant. And at 75, he passed away. And I think that if anything I learned was don't wait to the end. Enjoy the ride.
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Are you doing that?
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I am. Every second. I can.
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And how do you do that sort of practically when you're so busy?
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So I make time. I meditate every morning. I work out every morning. I have my own time to myself. I pray. I'm very religious. I think those are very important things that keep me going. It's God, family, work, patience. I mean, it's an order. My family is extremely important to me, and I make time for them as well. And I think that keeps me grounded.
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Dr. Mo, thank you. Thank you for the work you're doing. Because as you say in your work, there's a huge proportion of people, couples, men, women, that are suffering in silence. And they are in search of answers. And there's not a lot of people in your friendship group that are necessarily going to know this stuff or even talk about their own experiences with this.
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So I think it's important to have these kinds of conversations that anyone in the private or comfort of their own home or with their AirPods on can tune into to get a better understanding. If there was a closing message for those people that are suffering in silence in some way, whether they're couples, individuals, What is that closing message to them?
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It's okay to suffer from sexual dysfunction. It's normal as we age. And there are many treatment options, good treatment options that can help you today. And I ask you to seek therapy, raise your hand, tell your doctor you suffer from sexual dysfunction because there are excellent treatment options.
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And if people want to learn more about you and your work, where's the best place for them to find you?
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Well, it's my website, drmohitkara.com and sexbandhealth.com. I have sexbandhealth.com where you can learn all the different ways to improve lifestyle modification. I started a nonprofit. I just want you to know called the Testosterone Project, just so you know that. It's really geared at education, advocacy for testosterone.
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For example, if a man comes into my office today, 15% of them will have a heart attack or a stroke within seven years. 15%, the day they get ED, 15% will have a heart attack or a stroke within seven years. It's the first sign. Other studies, Dr. Montorsi showed that if a man presents to the emergency room with a heart attack, On average, 39 months earlier, that's when the ED started.
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We're trying to get testosterone approved for women in the United States. I think that's important. We're trying to get testing done as well. We want everyone to be tested for testosterone. It should be norm as well. And we're trying to get it deregulated. So the testosteroneproject.com is a great way to get information as well.
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I'll put all of those links below. Dr. Mo, thank you so much for the work that you're doing. And please do keep doing it because it's so incredibly important. Pleasure to talk to you. Thank you. Do you know that 80% of New Year's resolutions fail by February? It's because we focus too much on the end goal and we forget the small daily actions that actually move us forward.
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So it is the first sign. Now, there are many reasons for this. One theory is called the arterial diameter theory. The penile arteries are the smallest arteries, 1 to 2 millimeters. The coronary arteries are 3 to 4 millimeters. The carotid, 6 to 7 millimeters. So if you remember from physiology, if you're going to block an artery, 50% occlusion of an artery causes damage.
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So if you're going to block an artery, you're going to block the penile arteries before the coronary arteries. You're going to block the coronary arteries before you block the carotid, right? So men will get ED before they get a heart attack, more likely to get a heart attack before they get a stroke. That's a theory, but it makes sense.
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So I worry when a man comes into my office, could this man have occult cardiovascular disease? In fact, there was a wonderful study that came out of Greece. They looked at 50 men that walked in, and they gave them an echocardiogram or stress test. If it was positive, they went on to a coronary angiogram.
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What they found is that roughly 20% of men, one in five, actually had some occlusion in their heart, whether it was one vessel, two vessel, or three vessel disease. So I think to myself every time I'm writing that prescription, is this one of the five that could have some occlusion? And is there an opportunity to intervene at this point?
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So it's really important to think about cardiovascular disease as well.
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One of the big subjects that I hear a lot about, even in my friendship groups, is about libido. I've got so many stories in my friendship group of either one or both partners losing their libido. So on this subject matter of libido, it's kind of where I wanted to start this conversation. What is the most frequent and popular reason why men and women struggle with libido problems?
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And how much of that is about compatibility?
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Yeah, good question. Libido is multifactorial. There are many pieces of libido. It's very complex. And I'll give you some important components. First, it could be hormonal. And the mnemonic I teach the residents is PET. The four hormones that can affect someone's libido are prolactin, estrogen, thyroid, and testosterone. So you have to check the PET.
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If the prolactin is elevated, the libido goes down. If the testosterone is low, the libido goes down. So maybe it's a hormonal issue, which could be it. And particularly many women who go through menopause suffer from hormonal issues, and it could be a hormonal issue. The second is something called neurotransmitters. So in other words, serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine.
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Dopamine goes up, libido goes up. Serotonin goes up, libido goes down. So these all regulate how someone's libido will function. So one of the biggest culprits for low libido are antidepressants. What do antidepressants do? They increase serotonin and they decrease libido. So sometimes it's a medication or something that a patient's taking that will shut down their libido.
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For example, a medication that men take for urinary function called finasteride shuts down their libido. So there are certain things that you have to look at. The other components are lifestyle, diet, exercise, sleep, and stress reduction, particularly fatigue and stress.
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If a woman is tired and she's exhausted and she has to choose between sex and sleeping at night, many times she may choose sleep.
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Me as well.
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I'm just saying. So fatigue is important. Stress. And there's this cliche, this mnemonic, this saying that with stress is kind of interesting. Typically, if a man has a very stressful day, he will want to have sex to relieve his stress. Women have to relieve their stress to engage in sexual activity. It's kind of the opposite. You know what I mean?
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So I tell men, if you really want to have sex with your wife… Do the dishes. Take out the trash. Do everything you can to tuck the kids in bed early. Relieve her stress because that will significantly increase her desire to engage in sexual activity. But the other one is psychogenic. So we talked about that earlier. Sex has a huge mental component, your relationship with your partner.
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how close you feel with your partner. So sometimes patients come to me and they're in an abusive relationship and they say, give me the pill that improves my libido. I say, it's not going to work. I mean, the essence, the core, the foundation is not working. And therefore, it's really important for them to see a sex therapist.
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One thing for men that actually shuts down their libido is when they start developing erectile dysfunction. So if a man starts getting erectile dysfunction, let's say he gets a good erection 50% of the time and he's starting to have some problems.
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And it's 10 o'clock at night and he says, look, I can try to engage in sexual activity, but it may not work and it may be frustrating and embarrassing or I can just go to sleep. he's probably just going to go to sleep, right? And it becomes a vicious cycle because the less sex he has, the more difficult it is to engage in sex activity later on.
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And so you may interpret this as a low libido, but he's really just avoiding it because he doesn't want to deal with it, right? But the partner also looks at this as maybe I'm not attractive anymore. Maybe there's something about me that's not appealing. and it becomes a vicious cycle.
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So one thing you can do is significantly improve the quality of the erections in a man, and that actually helps improve his libido. So for example, I tell a man, if every night you have a great erection, and every morning you wake up with a great erection, what are you going to probably do? You're probably going to use it, right? So libido inherently goes up, right?
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So I think ED and libido are tied very closely.
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How do you define the term libido?
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It's a desire to engage in sexual activity, right, for men and women. And you have to, you know, when it's a true problem, they have to be bothered by the condition. So I just want to be very clear. There are women who have low libido and say, I really don't care. I'm happy that I have a low libido. Well, then it's not an issue, right? You have to be bothered by the issue.
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So on this psychogenic element where it becomes a vicious cycle, I've seen this in my own life several times, well, at least once. And I've seen it in some of my friends where because there's a bedroom issue, when you go to the bedroom, you're both a little bit anxious and then one of you can't perform. And if you can't perform... it exacerbates the issue.
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And it creates this sort of vicious downward spiral of like, it makes the bedroom like a really awkward place to be. And this is how I think about when you're talking about psychogenic component. So in the case of erectile dysfunction, if you're thinking as a man, God, if I go to the bedroom, I'm not going to be able to get it hard. I'm not going to keep it up. It's going to be embarrassing.
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She's then going to ask me questions. She's going to think I'm not into her, which just makes it even harder. Because as a man, like,
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i perform best when i'm really not thinking about it and i'm like not anxious and when i'm stress free right and it seems to me that the like antithesis the opposite of great sex is like overthinking you're 100 correct and this is what happens let's say a man gets ed just one time just one time young man he says that was really odd and i i what's wrong
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I thought it was just a frame.
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The bone is releasing stuff. I got this, um, this... Little analogy I'm going to put on the table. In one of the tubs, I've got some minerals and then this is the body.
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So could you explain to me how the bone is releasing something into the body?
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So if I don't have enough calcium or some of these other minerals, does that mean that my bones are going to become fragile?
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Estrogen plays a role in laying down bone.
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I look like I'm drunk or something. How are you doing this with your heels on? Dr. Vonda Wright is a leading orthopedic surgeon and longevity expert. Leveraging her expertise with elite athletes. To revolutionize the way we move, eat, and train.
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So I want to go into all of that, starting with the point you made about doing impact sports when we're younger.
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Because people often say if you do impact sports when you're younger, especially some of them, there's other consequences like injury or hitting your head. So you're saying that we should be running or jumping when we're younger to build our bone strength.
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And is that in all seasons of life? If I'm 60 years old, should I still be bashing that bone playing basketball?
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So on that point of pregnancy, which was your second point there, During my pregnancy, after my pregnancy, what do I need to be doing? Is it drinking milk?
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You talked about how bone has an impact on various parts of the body. And I've heard you talk about this phrase, the bone-brain axis.
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What is the bone-brain axis?
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I heard you in the Business Insider interview describe there being a critical decade for bone health. What is the critical decade?
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Yeah, I've got a family member that can't walk upstairs without being out of breath. And it's so debilitating because when you have grandkids and the grandkids start running around and you want to play with them, it's so sad watching this particular family member See the grandkids come, the grandkids say, let's play. The grandkids run off and this person can't go after them.
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So they just have to watch. They literally watch the grandkids playing in the garden because they can't play with them. And I think it's such a sad thing. It's one of my big motivators to try and stay healthy is just to be able to extend my health span.
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So that I can be healthier, hopefully until the day that I die. That'd be great, but it would. I want to talk about running. I want to talk about VO2max. Yes. To close off on the subject of bones, there's two terms that I wanted to hit. One is this term osteoporosis.
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Now, I have no idea what osteoporosis is. I've heard it a couple of times in my life, but I don't know if it's something I should be thinking about, worried about, or what it means.
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Okay.
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And how many people have osteopenia, osteoporosis over the age of 50 in America?
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Are there any early warning signs that I might be suffering from osteoporosis or on my way to osteoporosis?
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Okay.
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What about if I'm a smoker? Does that have an impact on my bone health and chances?
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Good thing I don't smoke. Is that smoking, vaping?
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Okay. And the last thing before we talk about running and VO2 max and endurance and sports and all those things is the link between Alzheimer's and bone health. Is there a link?
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You had an aunt that passed away from Alzheimer's.
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How did that? experience change you or change your focus or add to the sort of reservoir of thoughts, concerns, reference points in your life?
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What would you choose if you had to? An able body or an able brain? It was super clear for me. I'd rather have the able brain.
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Because that's your relationships.
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But these things are also fundamentally interconnected, aren't they? That's why when I look at the Alzheimer's stats around bone health, I think, well, if you had osteoporosis or something and you weren't moving as much, maybe... You know what a huge motivator for my patients is now that you've brought this up is...
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A lot of my work involves like cognitive performance, making sure my brain is sharp when it needs to be. How much of your work crosses over into the cognitive realm?
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That's like almost one in three. That means that there's three of us in this room. So Jack's got pre-diabetes. Perhaps. Potentially. You were an endurance athlete, weren't you, Sue?
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That's what I've been thinking a lot about recently is what diet is going to lead me to better cognitive performance as someone that spends a lot of my time talking.
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But then also I'm on stage, I'm in boardrooms, I'm in meetings, I'm in negotiations, I'm reading emails, I'm writing books, etc. So I'm always thinking if I can just get a 5% edge...
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He too has given me a very sharp mind.
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An extremely sharp mind. It's so interesting as a podcast when you sit here and you have all these conversations because some days you show up and sometimes these conversations last for four hours and your brain and mouth just don't feel like they're connected. Yeah. And then on other days I come here.
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And it's automatic.
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It's like I don't have to think and it's just flowing off my mouth. And the variance, the big, I said, so the causal factors are obviously sleep is one of them. Mm-hmm. The other one is how many carbohydrates I've had in recent hours. So if I've had a lot of carbohydrates, something, you know, like I've had bread, my mouth and my brain have no connection.
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If I've had lots of sugar, my mouth and my brain are completely done.
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And what do you eat?
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That's a lot of protein.
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When we talk about longevity, something that you continually come back to as the most important thing for people's longevity?
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What if you're 65 years old, 70 years old, and you haven't got strong muscles right now? Your muscles have declined, let's say, over the last couple of decades. Is it too late?
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It's never too late.
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I do wonder that. I think about my father and he's approaching his 70s now. And I don't think he's done weight training for the last 15 years. And there is a part of me that did wonder, is it too late now to start doing weight training? Because it's almost like a two-sided problem in the fact that you haven't done it. So you find it harder. So you don't do it. So you find it harder.
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And then you sort of spiral down to this sedentary state.
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If he'd accept it. If he would accept it. I'll call him after this. If I am trying to build muscle, are there a certain amount of days of the week or repetitions I need to do to build the muscle? I think about this a lot when I'm out here in LA. I'm trying to make sure that I don't lose my muscle, but I spend a lot of time sat down in here recording podcasts.
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So is there a certain amount of times I need to work out that muscle before I lose it?
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Do I need to increase the weight load to build muscle? Because I wonder when I go to the gym, sometimes I might be using smaller dumbbells, but I'm doing more repetitions. Is that still going to build muscle?
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So if I'm looking for hypertrophy.
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So 12, 15 reps, lower weight. And then if I was looking for power, then maybe six, eight,
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How many do you do?
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You do four?
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So big weight, four?
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Interesting. I didn't know that.
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Interesting. And just to give some sort of foundational knowledge as to why muscle is so important, because some people still might not be aware of the link between longevity and muscle. A lot of this is to do with, from what I understand, glucose.
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So if I'm trying to protect my muscle as I age, are there any supplements that I should be taking? I mean, do they sell Clotho supplements?
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It's really interesting. A couple of months ago, I asked the people in my office if they used creatine. And a couple of the guys put their hands up. None of the women put their hands up. And I asked them why. I said, why don't you use creatine? They said that they thought it was for bodybuilders.
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I actually had this debate with my girlfriend last year at Christmas time because I was taking creatine and asked if she wanted some. And she made the same comment to me that it was for bodybuilders and that she'd put on weight if she had it. And then I said, no, that's not true. So she Googled it and she saw that it's good for like cognitive performance, skin, hair.
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You can train the physical brain like a muscle.
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muscle, bone, et cetera, et cetera. And now she takes it every day. I think there's a big re-education piece to be done there because we almost used to think of it like a steroid or something.
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Motivation. How do you solve that?
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It's hard, though, with things like bone. You're telling someone that they need to be getting, I don't know, their calcium and stuff like that. And they think, well, I can't see my bones. And osteoporosis is so far away that... Yeah.
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I mean, D as well is crucial, isn't it, for bone health? I was reading that there.
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Magnesium.
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Sleep. Sleep. We talked about that a little bit as well, how important that was. You mentioned that I'm running now.
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Thank you for noticing.
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Yes, we're going to try and get a million people running.
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Oh, thank you. But much of it's because of the work that people like you do and that come on my show and inspire me to think about things like my VO2 max. And I've definitely been just weight training for the last couple of years and not really thinking about my bones or my VO2 max. So this has been quite a big shift for me. But when I think about running, I definitely hated it.
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I still hate it a little bit, but I hate and love it now, which is progress. What are the things I should be thinking about? Because people talk to me about runner's knees and stuff like that. And I don't want to get injured.
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But I'm running quite a lot.
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Sort of oscillating.
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And my lower back, something I think about. Because when I train, especially I'm training for a football match at the moment. Oh. In the UK. And I always seem to get a glute injury.
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So it's almost like 100% predictable that if I don't stretch properly, even if I stretch a little bit but don't stretch fully, when I run into that football pitch within five minutes, I feel like a little, it's almost like a little tear in my glute almost.
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What do you think is happening?
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Where your pinky is.
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And those of you in the US, you can get it on Amazon. On the subject of obesity and weight, we talked last time. A really fascinating thing that you said to me, which stayed with me, is that the more weight we're carrying, the more harm it's doing to our bones in a really disproportionate way. Could you clarify that again?
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But also talk to me about, give me the case for keeping my body fat down as I age.
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Yeah, this kind of goes back to what we were saying earlier, because you can say these things, but still change is still far away from many, many people. And I was just wondering, in the people that you've seen make radical changes that you've worked with, are there key things that happen? We talked a little bit about someone hits rock bottom, they get a bad diagnosis, they're forced.
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But is there anything else that one can do to will themselves to change, to keeping a journal, some kind of exercise?
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When you use that term precision longevity, what does that mean?
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CGMs and stuff as well, anything that turns the lights on has been really... That's right, data.
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I've talked quite extensively on this podcast about menopause. It's really fascinating to me. I think in part because I didn't even know what it was.
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Even a couple of years ago, probably a year and a half ago, I had no idea what it was. What are some of the pervasive myths about menopause that people still need to sort of get past?
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How early?
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And there is a significant link between menopause and bone density because you lose some of those critical hormones like testosterone.
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What are some of the most obvious but pertinent musculoskeletal syndromes of menopause?
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Fascinating. I didn't mean 300,000 downloads.
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It's like a New York Times bestseller research paper. £30,000 over on something crazy. Crazy.
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Congratulations.
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You used a word there, arthritis, which we've not talked about yet. But you used it to describe your big toe as well.
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What is causing arthritis? I don't want to get arthritis.
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I want to just circle back on, we were talking there about the collection of symptoms that are associated with menopause, and you were talking about how arthritis is a factor. Are you telling me that to avoid the muscular skeletal symptoms of menopause, I should be taking hormone replacement therapy?
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One of the things I'm a little bit concerned about these days is back pain, lower back pain in particular. I read that lower back pain is the single leading cause of disability globally, significantly affecting individuals' quality of life and productivity, which was published on the World Health Organization article. In 2020, lower back pain affected 619 million people globally globally.
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And its prevalence is increasing due to a number of different factors, one being aging. But also I just think generally how we're living more sedentary lives and sitting on these chairs and stuff like that. Back pain.
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Common thing. Only seems to exist in the Western world. I had someone come here from the, who studied the Hadza tribe in Africa and they don't have back pain there.
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They don't have chairs. Yes.
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And I think it was 80% of Westerners will experience lower back pain. And it got me thinking about standing desks and things like that. Do you advise people to use standing desks?
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Has that been proven, that if we're in exercise, we retain more?
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You've done a lot of studies. They're so fascinating. Have you got a favorite?
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Because of psychology.
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exactly no light bulb goes off we think though we think that when we experience that first twinge that first pain we start to get a little bit tired we think it's natural so we kind of relent to it we just give in and then that's that slow spiral downwards into a lifestyle which becomes self-fulfilling i guess we stop trying hard we stop playing hard because we stop trying hard because we think it's inevitable we think no aging is inevitable how we age is is up to us
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You're working on a book, aren't you? You just handed in the manuscript for it. We're very, very excited about this book, Unbreakable.
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I'm very, very excited.
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When you think about personalization, I was thinking also not just about the individual, but different phases of life and how maybe in my 20s, there's a certain set of things I need to be thinking about more so than in my 30s, my 40s, my 50s, my 60s. Is that a useful way to think about it? Are there different things we need to be thinking about in different seasons of our life?
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Can we pre-order it yet?
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Okay. I'll link that below for anyone that's keen to get that book. I'll be on that list as well.
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Is there anything else that we should have talked about that we haven't, Dr. Wunder?
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That's exactly what you're doing. It's exactly what you're doing. I think, you know, the reason I'm so compelled by menopause as well as secondary reason is because I have so many wonderful women in my life, including my partner who might not be as fortunate to be exposed to all the information that I get exposed to by doing this.
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So many of the questions I'm asking you almost pre-preparing me to be a supporting act in her, in her life. She's what, 32 now. So, you know, critical, critical years ahead.
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Yeah, because for me, it has created a ton of empathy. And with empathy, you approach challenges differently with a different perspective and there's less blame and there's more, I think, supporting encouragement.
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So that's really why I think it's important as well for men to understand these things because when you start noticing differences maybe in the way she's feeling or your mother or grandmother or even your daughter's, You might not be some of those naive doctors who think someone's losing their mind or that they're just being different or it's their personality.
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And you might understand that there's something deeper going on. And also something that's, at least in part, you can do something about. Absolutely. Which I think is the most important conclusive point. We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest with not knowing who they're leaving it for.
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Or is it the same things in every season?
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And the question left for you is, how do you know when is enough?
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Dr. Wunderwright, thank you so much for the work that you do. You're such a star. And I think everybody should go follow you on Instagram. Thank you. Because you've built an incredible community over on Instagram where you give away so much of this knowledge absolutely free of charge. But I also think everybody should go to your website.
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They should buy this book. I know this book is... Maybe they should just get on the waitlist for the upcoming book as well.
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Unbreakable. And they can get on that waitlist on your website right now.
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They can join your Instagram community, which I think is phenomenal. It's so wonderful to see how... Because, you know, usually people have a following, but I really feel like you have a community.
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I see it in the comment sections. I see that the people are really, really engaged. And as you saw from the amount of people that downloaded that paper that you published, there's a real...
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thirst and hunger for this information and I get so many messages when from the last conversation we had but from these conversations generally about from women from their husbands who are so thankful for you like so thankful it's you know because I have lots of conversations about lots of things and But this particular conversation provokes a certain type of energy that is very atypical.
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You know what I mean? You understand it because you feel it every day, but I really feel it as well. So thank you for doing the work that you do and for turning the lights on for so many people that are living in the darkness as it relates to information. And that information is undoubtedly saving many millions of people's lives.
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And that's work worth doing. So thank you so much, Dr. Wanda.
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Some of the most successful, fascinating and insightful people in the world have sat across from me at this table. And at the end of every conversation, I asked them to leave a question behind in the famous diary of a CEO. And it's a question designed to spark the kind of conversations that matter most, the kind of conversations that can change your life.
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Well, on that point of bones, that sounded like you were saying men's bones maintain their density longer and women's don't. Why is that? And is that linked to menopause?
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I'm very, very excited. But just to pause that, is there a link between menopause and bone density?
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So is this inevitable? Is the loss of bone density inevitable for women?
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So I want to get into why that's happening, but just to pause there, because a lot of people don't think bones are that important. I think a lot of people see our bones as just something that we can't influence. You don't think of them like muscles. Muscles, I go to the gym, I can expand my muscles, I can get strong. But with bones, it feels like they're static.
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So how would you refute that so that I start caring about my bones? And what is the cost if I don't care about my bones?
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for the entire team and I've agreed to the bet. So if you want to say thank you to the team behind the scenes at Diary of a CEO, all you've got to do is hit the subscribe button. So actually this is the first time I'm going to tell you not to subscribe because it might end up costing me an awful... What is the mission that you're on?
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If we can take it away. But if we can't take it away, does it become sort of chronic?
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And am I right in thinking we have the same amount of fat cells for our whole life pretty much?
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That's horrifying.
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This is something people don't really understand, and I actually discovered it from doing this podcast and speaking to so many experts about this, that we pretty much, especially as an adult, have the same amount of fat cells really regardless of what we eat. And it's actually just the fat cells we have shrinking or expanding.
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Now, there are differences across... Which, by the way, makes liposuction a pretty fucking bad idea.
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So tell me everything.
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Dr. Benjamin Bickman is a leading metabolic scientist whose research focuses on the hidden epidemic of insulin resistance and its devastating consequences.
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So if I'm eating 2,000 calories and I have a different insulin sensitivity to you, so we both eat 2,000 calories and I'm insulin resistant, doesn't that mean that I will... You'll store more as fat. Oh, okay.
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Okay, fine.
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Okay.
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And what is that common metabolic core?
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It's worth, before we talk about how to keep my insulin levels low so that I can benefit from all the health benefits we've talked about, it's probably also worth just spending a little bit of time trying to understand the evolutionary basis of insulin resistance.
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Interesting. I mean, that's a controversial thing to say.
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What is it exactly you're depriving the brain of in that situation?
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And you could supplement.
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So is that the only evolutionary sort of hypothesis towards why we develop this insulin resistance?
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So in pregnancy, insulin's playing a role in growing the placenta. It sure is. The breasts.
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So if I'm eating loads and loads of sugar throughout pregnancy... That will compound the problem.
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Does that then impact the future baby?
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I read in your book that these infants have a 40% higher chance to be obese and have metabolic complications in their teenage years and beyond.
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One of the things that I saw the other day on social media, which I wanted to ask you about, was this. I've got a picture of it here. It was someone online that posted this photo and they said, well, this graph, and they said, we need to figure out what's going on here. This is the graph. I'll put it on screen for anybody that's watching, but also it will be linked in the comment section below.
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It essentially shows that over the last, let's say, 20 years, there's been a really significant rise in cancer amongst women. But when we look at cancer amongst men, it's pretty flat. And this is cancer incidence by age and gender up to 49 years old. And I was wondering if you had any thoughts on why this is happening.
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I've just actually done a quick search here. I put a picture of that graph into AI and asked it the same question. And it said pretty much what you said. It said there's a rising breast cancer incidence according to Cancer Research UK. The other one that it came up with is obesity trends.
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Sorry for interrupting there. No, no, no problem. And then the other one was delayed childbearing. That's what I'm saying. Which is what you were saying.
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As you guys know, Whoop is one of my show sponsors. It's also a company that I have invested in, and it's one that you guys ask me about a lot. The biggest question I get asked is why use Whoop over other wearable technology options. And there is a bunch of reasons, but I think it really comes down to the most overlooked yet crucial feature. It's non-invasive nature.
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I guess the really important question here is what is insulin resistance? And can you explain this to me like I'm a 10 year old?
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When everything in life seems to be competing for my attention, I turn to Whoop because it doesn't have a screen. And Will Ahmed, the CEO who came on this podcast, told me the reason that there's no screen. because screens equal distraction. So when I'm in meetings or I'm at the gym, my Whoop doesn't demand my attention.
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It's there in the background, constantly pulling data and insights from my body that are ready for when I need them. If you've been thinking about joining Whoop, you can head to join.whoop.com slash CEO and try Whoop for 30 days, risk-free and zero commitment. That's join.whoop.com slash CEO. Let me know how you get on.
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You know, one of the big subjects you touched on at the start was Alzheimer's and dementia. And I have heard several people on this podcast tell me that they think of Alzheimer's as type 3 diabetes. Worldwide, there is a new case of dementia every 3.2 seconds. it seems like, I don't know if this is true, but is Alzheimer's and dementia on the rise?
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really really interesting on this point of alzheimer's because i don't think people have spent enough time talking about the link between insulin resistance and alzheimer's um and one of the things i was looking at there was how many people with alzheimer's have meet the criteria for insulin resistance and some studies have it at 40 there's a study i found here that has it at 70 to 80 percent um which i wanted to cite um uh
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Exact percentages vary, but one example is a study in the Journal of Neurology in 2011 that found insulin resistance at approximately 40% of individuals with Alzheimer's. But another study in Alzheimer's patients sometimes found it to be as high as 70 or 80%. For instance, research by Dr. Suzanne Dillamonte at Brown University has drawn attention to the concept of type 3 diabetes.
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Right.
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Yeah, it's quite hard to think there's different criteria, right, for how one defines someone as insulin resistant.
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what do they need to be looking for?
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Is that easy to measure?
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And you could be skinny. Oh, yes. And have insulin resistance.
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Okay, so I've got a friend who's a woman who has PCOS. And one of the things that she often says to me is that she gains weight easily. Is this true?
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I was looking also a second ago, because we mentioned ethnicity a few times, and the research I was looking at says that East Asians have fewer fat cells and they're more resistant to obesity-related metabolic issues.
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So I eat sugar.
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Okay, I got you.
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Africans have more fat cells typically?
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Does your fat distribution also matter here? Oh, it does. Different races, this research is telling me, have different fat distribution. It's saying that Africans have better fat distribution, lower visceral fat, and less metabolic risk because of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Caucasians, moderate fat cell quantity, more prone to subcutaneous fat accumulation. Subcutaneous.
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That's the fat around the organs.
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And Hispanics have higher fat cell quantity, more visceral fat. Yes. And increased risk of obesity-related conditions.
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According to Alzheimer's Disease International, the total number of people living with dementia globally is expected to reach 139 million by 2050, which is up from around 55 million in 2020, which I imagine is in part related to people living a bit longer than they once did as well.
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There's a study you talk about, which you've cited before, that shows that if you move visceral fat from an obese animal to a lean animal, this immediately caused insulin resistance.
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Okay.
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Which is like the belly fat.
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Have you seen Brian Johnson?
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You've seen the documentaries and stuff made about him and the work that he's doing. What do you make of what he's doing to extend his age? Because, you know, one of the subjects I think is linked to this is the idea of longevity and aging. And he's become a bit of a poster child for the subject of longevity.
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So insulin comes out like a taxi and transports all the glucose in my blood to various places around the body to store them? Perfect.
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So if I'm trying to extend my longevity, trying to live longer... then exactly what should I be thinking about?
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Which is typically associated with lung fasting.
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You've repeatedly talked about ketosis.
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We'll eventually get there. We're kind of teasing the audience a little bit.
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Well, I'm currently on the keto diet as well. So I am incredibly interested to understand, A, like what's going on in my body. But B, I'm quite compelled by both the pros and cons of doing it. And I want to talk about the cons and the pros because they both exist. One thing you say in your book, Why We Get Sick, is that the longest living humans are also the most insulin sensitive. Yeah.
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So you're telling me that the longest living humans are the ones that are able to stave off that insulin resistance.
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Yes, there are. Keep their insulin levels lower.
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Sorry, they found that some of the longest living humans had high cholesterol levels.
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But there's good and bad cholesterol, right?
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There is research suggesting that in very old age, high cholesterol levels do not always correlate with higher mortality. And in some studies may even be linked to longer life. Exactly. Which is bizarre.
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One thing that really surprised me when I was reading your work is there was a study done in Bulgaria which proved that smoking causes insulin resistance in humans by having seven healthy nonsmokers smoke four cigarettes over an hour for three days. What did they find in that study?
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That's horrifying.
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You published a study in 2024 which found that exposure to diesel exhaust gas was associated with increased fat mass, enlarged fat cells, insulin resistance, and increased levels of inflammation. And that was published in the International Journal of Molecular Sciences.
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So what we're breathing in theoretically could then be determining how fat we're getting.
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But of course, that's correlational.
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What about other sort of environmental toxins and their impact on insulin resistance?
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I've invested more than a million pounds into this company, Perfect Ted, and they're also a sponsor of this podcast. I switched over to using matcha as my dominant energy source, and that's where Perfect Ted comes in. They have the matcha powders, they have the matcha drinks, they have the pods, and all of this keeps me focused throughout a very, very long recording day, no matter what's going on.
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And their team is obsessed with quality, which is why they source their ceremonial grade matcha from Japan. So when people say to me that they don't like the taste of matcha, I'm guessing that they haven't tried Perfect Ted. Unlike low quality matcha that has a bitter grassy taste, Perfect Ted is smooth and naturally sweet.
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And without knowing it, you're probably a Perfect Ted customer already if you're getting your matcha at places like Blank Street or Joe and the Juice. But now you can make it yourself at home. So give it a try and we'll see if you still don't like matcha. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to give you 40% off our matcha if you try it today.
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Head to perfectted.com and use code DIARY40 at checkout. Or if you're in a supermarket, you can get it at Tesco's or Holland and Barrett or in the Netherlands at Albert Heijn. And those of you in the US, you can get it on Amazon. As you guys know, Whoop is one of my show sponsors. It's also a company that I have invested in. And it's one that you guys ask me about a lot.
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The biggest question I get asked is why use Whoop over other wearable technology options? And there is a bunch of reasons, but I think it really comes down to the most overlooked yet crucial feature. It's non-invasive nature. When everything in life seems to be competing for my attention, I turn to Whoop because it doesn't have a screen.
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And Will Ahmed, the CEO who came on this podcast, told me the reason that there's no screen. because screens equal distraction. So when I'm in meetings or I'm at the gym, my Whoop doesn't demand my attention. It's there in the background, constantly pulling data and insights from my body that are ready for when I need them.
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If you've been thinking about joining Whoop, you can head to join.whoop.com slash CEO and try Whoop for 30 days, risk-free and zero commitment. That's join.whoop.com slash CEO. Let me know how you get on. So let's talk about ketosis and ketones. The keto diet is becoming increasingly popular from what I've seen. It's actually the diet that I'm on at the moment.
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How does that play into everything we've talked about?
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So if I'm burning glucose, I might be producing more CO2.
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So say that again. So the insulin's coming past with the glucose inside it.
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So does that mean that I'm going to lose fat faster?
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I've seen these keto drinks.
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They're almost like little shots.
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And what exactly does it do? So if I took a shot of a bio-identical ketone drink, what would go on in my body and how would that impact my cognitive performance or athletic performance?
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I ask this in particular because, as my team know, because I've said it to them a lot over the last couple of weeks since I've been on the keto diet, and I've been literally pricking my finger to check my keto levels. The highest I've gotten to is like 2.5.
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Is it high?
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Fat dropped off my body like I've never seen in my life.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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Yeah.
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So I'll overlay this with my own sort of anecdotal experience. So I, every year, do a keto diet, usually for about eight weeks. This time it's going to go on for a little bit longer. The reason in part why it's going to go on a little bit longer is I've just learned more about what's going on in my body.
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And also, because I podcast now and do a lot of speaking on stage and those kinds of things, I see tremendous variance in my ability for my brain to articulate what I want to say. I feel the same way. It's like, it's absurd. Yeah. I was saying this the other night to the team that was with me here in Los Angeles, and I've tried to say it to so many people.
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As someone that can spend nine hours a day trying to think of the next question to ask or trying to remember the research or on stage in front of a thousand people trying to deliver a story or a point, I get to see variants, which I've never been able to explain. Yeah. where some days I'll go up on stage or I'll be in a podcast and it's like my brain and my mouth aren't connected.
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And then on other days, specifically when I started doing ketosis or having a ketogenic diet, it just flows. It just flows so well. And I was saying to my team, it feels like I'm looking at the world like this these days. Like I've got this intense... For anyone that can't see me, I just stretched my eyes. Like I've got this intense focus on the world.
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The other thing I've noticed with my diet is... I get hungry, but not like I used to get hungry. And then very quickly after I start eating, I stop. I don't seem to be like doing like these. I used to kind of binge a little bit. Yeah. I used to have like longer eating sessions. And my hunger goes very quickly. I also found that I didn't have these like fluctuating energy levels throughout the day.
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I don't crash fast.
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anymore i used to get like slumps oh for sure and i don't slump anymore and then the other thing which a lot of people care mostly about is the the fat so like belly fat i have never seen anything that has stripped belly fat off me faster and i'm talking in a matter of weeks that i could you know count on one hand yeah then doing the ketogenic diet and if i i could literally show a picture of my scales because i have the digital scales
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on the screen and it's just trundling along and then there's this cliff edge where it goes directly down and it and so much so actually that one of my concerns with the ketogenic diet is how the hell do i keep my muscle oh that's a great question because my girlfriend to her credit when i did ketosis the first time she was like i've never ever seen you look like this when i took my top off
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But also, it was quite clear that my muscles had got smaller. I was lean as fuck, but my muscles were smaller. So with caution this time, I did ketosis again. And I've been thinking, how the fuck do I keep my muscles?
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I wasn't actually doing the blood tests at that point. I'm doing it this time around, but I wasn't doing the blood tests so I can actually see my keto levels. So maybe I wasn't even in ketosis because I wasn't having enough fats.
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Are there any downsides of following a ketogenic diet that we need to be aware of?
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So what about the gut microbiome? Oh, yeah. Because I told someone who is a nutritionist that I was doing a keto diet at the moment, and they said, oh, your poor gut.
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But if eating lots of plants does give me a more diverse gut microbiome, then if I stop eating plants, I'm going to have a less diverse gut microbiome.
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Because aren't the plants like feeding the bacteria?
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But you agree with the argument that if I sat here now and I ate... a wide range of plants for the next, let's say, six months. When you analyzed my gut microbiome, it would be much more diverse.
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Really?
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That's just one man, though.
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Yes, I'm not aware of research that links the two, but I could always have a look. But I was always under the assumption that a more diverse microbiome is a healthier person.
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No. Um, feel healthier. I certainly feel, and it's only been a short amount of time. So I don't know what, what my health might look like if I'd done this for like two years. Right. Cause then there could be a really sort of deeper change to, um, I know people who've done it for more than two years and they're, they're great. Because some of the changes that occur in our health take time.
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You show this a lot in your work with insulin resistance, that if you're insulin resistant for 10 years, your brain, I think I read in your work, is like... It ages. It ages by an additional two years.
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And I wonder the same thing with my gut microbiome. If I'm... If my gut microbiome is not diverse, so I have a very sort of narrow diet or I'm not eating my plants, could it take me a couple of years to really understand the net negative impact that that has on my overall health?
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So ketosis... Possible to live in a... I think one of the important points on ketosis is when I do my blood keto test, I fluctuate wildly. After I've gone for a run, my ketone levels are super high. Sometimes later at night, I'm just on the verge of ketosis sometimes. And I think that's interesting because we don't have to live in this necessarily deep state of ketosis the whole time.
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We can fluctuate a little bit.
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What about artificial sweetness? Because one of the things that I am tempted by when I'm on a ketosis diet is like the soda zeros of the world or the diet sodas of the world. What impact does that have on my insulin levels, et cetera?
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And what kind of foods have those?
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One thing you mentioned earlier, which I've been thinking a lot about, is salt. And I think a lot about salt because I went to the doctor many years ago and I think I was using this like Maggie seasoning that I put on my food. And the doctor said to me that my salt levels were too high.
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And then I've heard since then from other people that we're actually probably not getting enough salt in our diet.
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Sodium, I think.
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You talk about four pillars to eating in your book, While We Get Sick. You outline these four essential pillars to develop a strategy for maintaining low insulin levels and combating insulin resistance. What are the four pillars?
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I don't want to be insulin resistant. No, no one does. No one does. So tell me how it happens.
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Physical activity, exercise, useful for keeping my... insulin levels in check.
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There's a big debate around whether we should be calorie restricting and low fat diet, whether we should be calorie restricting and a moderate fat diet or calorie restricting and a low carb diet. What's your take on that?
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Which means that they'll feel...
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Okay, so more GLP-1, less hunger.
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They were still hungry.
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I was scrolling on Twitter the other day, and I saw a video going viral, which is now being reported in a bunch of news publications. It was yesterday that I saw this video going viral, and I'm going to play this video to you. It's from a singer called Avery, and she talks about her experience with Ozempic.
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I mean, I've got a picture of her here and she does look incredibly lean already.
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On the case of that girl mentioned there, Avery, I've just seen she's uploaded a post that says, thanks. My record label told me I was fat. They dropped me. I got addicted to a Zenpec. Oh my gosh. I got addicted to a Zenpec. And now as a result, I have osteoporosis and my bones are as fragile as wafer cookies.
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Obviously, these are claims that she's alleging. Now we don't know the full picture of her health and there might be something more.
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I have been forced into a bet with my team. We're about to hit 10 million subscribers on YouTube, which is our biggest milestone ever. Thanks to all of you. And we want to have a massive party for the people that have worked on this show for years behind the scenes. So they said to me, Steve, for every new subscriber we get in the next 30 days, can $1 be given to our celebration fund?
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It's worth saying that I did also search to see if there was a link between a Zempek and bone density, and there was no clear link in the studies that have been done. I don't know whether there's been a lot of studies done.
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It says in the studies and reviews, some of glutide generally shows no harmful effect on bone mineral density, although rapid weight loss itself can sometimes affect bone health.
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One of the things that this podcast has taught me is that liposuction is dangerous. Do you agree with that statement?
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We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves the last question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the question that's been left for you, Ben, is who in your life gave you a chance or believed in you when no one else did?
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Ben, thank you. My pleasure. It's been truly eye-opening and you've answered so many of the questions that I've had for so, so long, especially as it relates to ketosis and the broader link between insulin, infertility, pregnancy, PCOS, all of these kinds of things, which are topics of conversation amongst my friends and people that I love. Ben, thank you.
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Isn't this cool? Every single conversation I have here on the Diary of a CEO, at the very end of it, you'll know, I asked the guest to leave a question in the Diary of a CEO. And what we've done is we've turned every single question written in the Diary of a CEO into these conversation cards that you can play at home.
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So you've got every guest we've ever had, their question, and on the back of it, if you scan that QR code, you get to watch the person who answered that question. We're finally revealing all of the questions and the people that answered the question. The brand new version two updated conversation cards are out right now at theconversationcards.com. They sold out twice instantaneously.
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So if you are interested in getting hold of some limited edition conversation cards, I really, really recommend acting quickly.
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But you had to fix your trauma as well in your situation. I did. And how did you go about fixing that?
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And my commitment to you is if you do that, then I'll do everything in my power, me and my team, to make sure that this show is better for you every single week. We'll listen to your feedback. We'll find the guests that you want me to speak to and we'll continue to do what we do. Thank you so much. Susan, what do you do and why do you do it?
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How did you know you had a problem? And how did you know you had something that needed to be healed? And it wasn't just that, you know, Tim's a little bit, I'm just not attracted to Tim anymore. Or maybe I just don't like sex. How did you know How did you have the awareness to even go to a therapist?
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And how did you get to the point that you knew that the trauma was at the heart of many of these challenges?
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When you say sexual injustice and trauma. Mm-hmm. Give me a menu of things that someone at home who's trying to understand if those things might have had an impact on their sex drive.
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So we've just got two more questions on this point before we move on to some of these real specific things we've been talking about. I read that Tim cheated on you at the time. He was having an affair.
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Really?
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How did you find out?
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If someone comes to you and they say, I'm struggling with my sex life in some way, or I'm not at my sexual potential, what can you do for me? How would you answer that question?
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Did you separate when he told you that or did you stay together?
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Did your sex life change in terms of the dynamics of it? Were you in a monogamous relationship?
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And what is that called? Because there's all these names for different relationship dynamics. Do you have a name for it?
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That's what you call it?
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Who initiates that conversation in your relationship? Because I think this is the first challenge in most relationships is figuring out, like, how do you go about having that conversation with someone without them butting your head off potentially?
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What was the most painful truth you told James?
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Offensive?
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What's the most offensive truth? Like someone turns to, my partner turns to me and goes, listen, you are out of shape and I'm just not feeling it.
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No, thank you.
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Or I can decide I don't love you, I guess.
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So how did you come to be polyamorous?
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Was it your idea or his idea?
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We reached out to some of our audience ahead of this conversation and we asked them to send us their questions. And then my team sat down with some of these individuals. We masked them through using some actors and got them to say, we got them to talk about some of the problems they have in their lives. This is the first time we've ever done this.
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So I wanted to play to you some of the challenges that they have, especially I'm going to play one that kind of overlaps with the experience you went through with Tim.
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I'm going to play you a few more from Eliza because I think this will help sort of fill the jigsaw puzzle a little bit. There's another one here.
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Is that a familiar situation?
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I mean, that's quite a pertinent point because one of the things Eliza said is this.
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On these body image issues, is it usually the person saying they're unhappy with their own body? Or is it the partner saying they're unhappy with their partner's body?
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Is it ever the guy saying he doesn't like how he looks?
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If they now feel like two ships passing in the night, as Eliza said in that video, what is step one?
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So step one then is have the conversation. And step two is to just hold, essentially, hold each other.
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They're not speaking about it.
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You used the word should. Should is such a... What did I say? Gross. When you were saying we should be having... Right. How much harm do you think should does? As in, when I say should, I really mean it's a social comparison. It's like an external comparison. I've watched this movie. I spoke to my friend. They're doing it this often. They're doing it like this. So we should...
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be doing it like them. How much harm do you think that does? Tons. I've seen it in all my relationships. Guilt, guilt, guilt. Yeah, like the comparison to other people who are just not you, it can do so much harm. And I think in my current relationship, we've basically banned comparison.
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So we've banned each other speaking about our unmet needs through the lens of other people or our past relationships. Good. And I think it really helps.
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You know?
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Why? Why no pressure?
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I guess the starting point then, as you said, is the communication part, right? Because you can't even get to that point if you're in a situation. I've been in that situation once in my sexual history where it was so awkward that the awkwardness just compounds. where you're not even speaking about something. Yeah. And so you're getting in bed. It's a hot potato. Laying in silence.
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Okay, so you get an email into your inbox and it's from a woman. Yeah. If you had to bet what that question in that email was, and all you know is that it's from a lady called Suzanne, what would your guess be?
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And oh my God, he's thinking about it and I'm thinking about it. Right. I hope he doesn't ask me and I'll pretend to sleep and all of that stuff. I've been there. Yeah. And really what broke it was the two things you said. The first thing was you got to talk about it. And the second thing was removing the pressure. Right. And the blame. Yeah. And the judgment. Yeah.
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And if you can get there, and I think much of the reason why people don't want to talk about it sometimes is because they might have a little bit of a risk that if they're honest about how they're feeling, then the other person might leave or they might be mad or they might not hang around long enough for you to fix it together, you know? And also you don't know how to fix it.
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So it's difficult sometimes in life to say, I've got a problem, but I have no idea what the solution is, you know?
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What's that?
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For me?
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Or for Tim?
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Is that your bum?
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Okay.
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I've been there in my sexual history where I was with a partner and I remember first introducing the idea of using sex toys. And my partner responded at the time, many, many years ago, saying that, no, that's for 50-year-old people. And I was like, what? And I found it really disappointing because I thought I was in search of novelty in the bedroom. So I was looking to try new things.
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And I'd heard of like my best friend was doing all sorts of like bondage and whips and stuff. So I was like, I'll get involved in that. Yeah. And they just kind of shut it down.
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And what is someone supposed to do in such a situation where they've proposed something which is in line with their sort of their sex language, but their partner has shut it down, dismissed it, mocked it, ridiculed it, whatever. What are they supposed to do?
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And if the email came in from a guy called David, what would you think is, before you click the email, what do you think he's asking you?
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And she goes, no, I'm not interested in that. I don't like it.
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I don't think it's good for us. I think that we're better doing it naturally. And I think that that's for people that are 50. It's what she said to me. It's a quote she said. I think that's for people that are 50. Well... And we at the time must have been early 20s or something, so...
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It's interesting because I asked what you were speaking. I was reflecting on that sentence that this former partner said many years ago about, I think it's for people that are 50. Because A, when I'm 50, I still want to be having the best sex in my life. And I've spoken to 50-year-olds and they're having a great time. But C, it also comes back to this idea of like,
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should which is again a comparative measure i don't you know like this expectation and this this how stereotypes can can be so corrosive for like sexual exploration and an openness um the other thing i was thinking about is what if you want to try something with your partner you have a fantasy and it is opposed to their fantasy.
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So like, I think we talk about love languages a lot, but what about like sex languages? Is it possible to have the opposite sex language to your partner? For example, you might want to be, you might want to feel really safe, but your partner wants to tie you up and dominate.
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And that's like, and that's, maybe that's their thing.
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And you, but you want to be really, you want to feel really safe. So that's like diametrically opposed.
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And for over two decades, her expertise has empowered millions to master pleasuring techniques, bedroom communication, and unlock their true sexual potential. Why did you focus on sex as a career?
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You said safety plus novelty equals desire. So the novelty part, I mean, if you live 100 years, that's a lot of new ideas you're going to need.
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I've got another question. So this is from a young man who is a Diary of a Seer listener, and this is his situation.
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Quality and quantity or one more than the other?
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breathe and rock his hips and by the way that pelvic rock feels really good and intercourse for her so that's nice too if i was to try and relate to our friend here kit um i think for the first sort of season of my sexual journey i thought of sex as this thing where you kind of climb on And it needs to be, like, as quick as you can.
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That's true. Yeah. You have a really atypical journey to becoming a sexpert. It's not something that you studied when you were younger in college or something. It's not something that you were, it's not sort of an off-branch to some psychology degree you were doing. You became a sexpert at what age?
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And in fact, because you watch pornography, when you're young, you think that the faster and harder you go, the better the job you're doing.
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I think in my wisdom, I've learned that there's no rush. And also, you know, I get off by watching my partner get off. So this is where a lot of the things you have on this table come in. Because... It wasn't until later in my sexual journey that I started using these kind of things, these toys that you've brought. I mean, you've brought 720 of them, but I recognize a couple of them.
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Which ones are like a fan favorite? If you're a guy and you're looking to pleasure your partner, which one of these is like, you know, easy money is like, is going to hit the spot?
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I do.
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My partner has told me what yoni massages are and she was in Bali for many years doing, she's done tantra training and I've been with her and stuff. So yeah. Great. Yoni means vagina.
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Which means?
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What's a lay-on toy?
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Why sex? Why in your early 40s did you decide to focus on sex when previously your career had been about many other things? Did something happen?
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So we'll start with her first then.
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Not great.
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I read this quantum orgasm.
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What's that? That sounds nice.
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He's Ethan. He's far away from God.
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If you're trying to teach Ethan how to have an expanded orgasm with his partner, how do you go about that?
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If you had to recommend one toy for Ethan then, one that's just going to, it's going to blow her mind, which one would you, which one is the favorite? Like of all these toys, I mean, there's some more over there as well. What is, there's got to be one that's most popular amongst women.
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No, I've got it. Don't worry. You do? Oh, good for you. I'm like trying to open a bottle with it.
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At the top.
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Okay, so that vibrates on their clitoris while it's attached to your penis.
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And your testicles?
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That's a good idea. I love this one. This one's great.
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I'm messing around trying to hold on to this thing and it's sliding around. So that's fantastic. You just got to rest it there. That's fantastic.
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For people that can't see, what have you just handed me?
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To me, it looks like a double-sized tablet is inside here.
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Doesn't it smell good? Oh, my gosh. It smells like dark chocolate.
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It smells like cacao, yeah.
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So she puts that inside her.
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I wonder what I'm doing.
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What did your sexual trauma teach you about sex?
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I think Kit had something to say about this.
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Chuck me that perfect head. One of the things that I think about all the time, because my life is quite hectic and busy, is how to manage my energy load. And as a podcaster, you kind of have to manage your energy in such a way that you can have these articulate conversations with experts on subjects you don't understand.
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And this is why Perfect Head has become so important in my life, because previously, when it came to energy products, I had to make a trade-off that I wasn't happy with. Typically, if I wanted the energy, I had to deal with high sugar. I had to deal with jitters and crashes that come along with a lot of the mainstream energy products.
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And I also just had to tolerate the fact that if I want energy, I have to put up with a lot of artificial ingredients, which my body didn't like. And that's why I invested in Perfect Ted and why they're one of the sponsors of this podcast. It has changed not just my life, but my entire team's life. And for me, it's drastically improved my cognitive performance, but also my physical performance.
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So if you haven't tried Perfect Ted yet, you must have been living under a rock. Now is the time. You can find Perfect Ted at Tesco and Waitrose or online where you can enjoy 40% off with code DIARY40 at checkout. Head to perfectted.com. Does people's libidos drop when they go into menopause?
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Does low testosterone equal low libido typically?
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Okay.
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I wanted to ask another question for one of my listeners. It was a guy, and we had this question come in quite a lot from our audience. Good. And it was about routine. Where is it? This one here. This is Ethan. Okay.
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The trauma itself?
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What did that traumatic experience convince you that sex was or wasn't?
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Where does masturbation and pornography fit into all of this? Is that a good thing for a relationship? Is it a good thing to be doing it alone? Is it something that's full of shame?
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We had a conversation on this podcast recently about pornography and one of the really surprising things that came off the back of it was women messaging me privately saying that we didn't talk about women who have an addiction to pornography.
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Which was quite surprising to me. Yeah, well. Because it's not in keeping with the stereotype.
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So it hadn't crossed my mind.
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But I wanted to give that a little bit of air time because it's something I didn't talk about last time. Is that something, you know, how do you think about pornography and masturbation? Is it good, bad, indifferent, shameful?
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What's the harm of the stuff we see on porn?
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Have you met a woman addicted to pornography?
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Have you met a man addicted to pornography?
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Do you think it ruins the real thing?
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What about masturbation without the pornography?
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Can you explain that to me, dissociation? Because I think I've heard people tell me privately that that's the issue that they had in their sex life for many, many years, that they were basically disassociated from it. What is that?
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The end is swelling.
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What is the most important thing that we haven't talked about? And really there I'm asking for the audience, what is the question that they're probably sat home saying, Steve, you didn't ask the bloody question, which I've got a huge issue with here at home in my bedroom with my love life, with my partner.
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So we've talked about that. How do you know when to leave? How do you know when to walk away?
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Talking about the bedroom to a total stranger is not the easiest of things to do. I think I would say, especially for a man. I'm not saying just for men.
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I went to see a therapist with my partner and we talked about a big range of things and we still go to couples therapy all the time. It's more of like a preventative measure, but it's just nice to have a dedicated space. And even in there, especially the first couple of times that I went, I was like, I fucking hate this. I was like, it was embarrassing. I didn't want to say anything.
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I was hoping she wasn't going to say anything. Because you feel like the stranger's judging you, but also, you know... Yeah, it's not. But the reason why it's a good thing is because in your relationship, knowing that there's a space where you're going to get to be honest with each other and you're going to get to vocalize it makes the other 6.9 days, the rest of the week, much more enjoyable.
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Because you know where the space is for these things. You know when we're going to sit down and have the sort of dedicated conversation. So it makes the rest of the relationship better. And also, I think men have a bias where we don't, we're not typically the ones to initiate these kinds of things.
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Sometimes we might seem like resentful or reserved, but over time, even though my partner initiates these kind of conversations about unmet needs and sex life and all these kinds of things, over time and in hindsight, thank God she did.
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Because she... I think women are sometimes better at ringing the alarm.
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And, you know, that old phrase, happy wife, happy life. Yeah. It's a cliche. It's a stereotype, whatever. But there is a hint of truth in where that stereotype comes from. And I think it originates from this idea that men are quite simple in what they express that their needs are. Yeah. And women are more articulate, are more complex. They're more like aware of unmet needs. Yes.
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So they vocalize them more often. Typically, not always. Which means that there's this dynamics form, which the man sometimes thinks his job is just to keep her happy. And if I keep her happy, then we're happy.
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But in hindsight... I've come to learn that it's a really good thing that she does sound the alarm. It's a really good thing that she is sensitive to unmet needs because unmet needs for her are probably unmet needs for me. I just can't see them yet. I'm just unaware of it.
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So I'm just saying that to men who might feel the same way that I've often felt where, you know, oh my God, another problem or whatever. And I've just come to be so grateful for the fact that my partner is like very aware of these unmet needs.
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Yeah, very good. Because I would never. I'm so like busy and like... she's smiling I'm fine yeah but and you know this you come to learn this because the things that when she sounds the alarm the things that it ends up solving make the relationship better makes me happier and that's that's the goal at the end of the day so yeah
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Well, we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for.
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And the question left for you, if you could go back and tell your 20-year-old self something, something that would have made you happier, healthier, more successful, if you'd heard it, if it was whispered into your ear at 20 years old, what would you tell your 20-year-old self?
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What's that?
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There's quite a few things. I mean, so the first is I have this new set of toys that I'm going to be bringing home, which is interesting. I learned actually a lot about the limbic system, which we didn't actually talk about today from reading through your work and the implications that I have for our relationship and our feeling of connection.
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I learned a lot about tantra from reading through your work as well, which again we didn't talk about today. I think for my audience, one of the things that I think is really critical is to remove pressure, which is... I remember a phase of my life where it...
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sex had become like the elephant in the room the lack of sex had become the evident elephant in the room and the pressure to fix it made it worse so your approach to that is to schedule these like play dates yeah not try to get sex where there's no like penetrative in intercourse guaranteed on the menu and just uh just to start from the foundations of being connected and then a
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The other thing, of course, is just the importance of novelty and sex, which is something that, you know, I'm five, six years into my relationship now. So it's something I think about a lot. I think about keeping it fresh and stuff like that. And I talk to my friends a lot about this a lot. I call it desire management, which is how you manage desire so it doesn't fade out.
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Kind of like a flame that needs the right amount of oxygen, too much oxygen and it's going to blow out, but just like the right amount of oxygen. When I say too much oxygen, I mean, what's that in the analogy? That would be like, I guess it would be too much distance, like, and a lack of safety.
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Whereas just the right amount of oxygen is like the right amount of safety and the right amount of novelty. The way I look at it is like, if you took a handle and you put one of these, like, Things over it. It would go out. And that's, okay, in that analogy, what you've done there is there's no novelty. There's routine. You're there all the time. They see you when they wake up.
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You never leave the house. You're attached to each other. And then there's like a little bit of oxygen in, but not too much that it's going to blow out, which is, you know, keep yourself high desire. Maybe, you know, go on work trips every once in a while, be away from each other, miss each other. Mm-hmm. go to new places, wear new things, bring home new toys. Yeah. So I think about that a lot.
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Interesting.
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I've come to learn that mainly from watching my friends. My friends have taken all these different approaches. My one friend, he knows who he is. He listens to this and always sends me the clips. He like stifles a lot of the women that he ends up with. Yeah.
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He will move in. Honestly, in two situations, he moved in with them on either the first or the second date. Was it? Oh, wow. The second date twice. And they became his girlfriends. It lasted about a month. One of them lasted about two years. But just the fact that he's moving in on the second date was like problematic in both situations. One of them was COVID.
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The other one was she just lived in a faraway land. So she had to fly over. And then where's she going to live? She lived with him. And then I've seen my other friends play it in other ways. I've seen the long distance and how that can fade out if it's too far away. And I've always thought there's a sweet spot somewhere in the middle there.
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But again, this is subjective. It's probably different for me as it is for you and Tim. Thank you. I want to say the work you're doing is helping a a huge, huge amount of people sort of demystify these subjects, which are so stigmatized and seem to be so elusive and mysterious in so many people's lives.
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The reason why I have these conversations on the podcast and invite people like you on is because I'm trying to say the quiet part out loud. This is going to be the diary of a CEO. And what would be in your diary? It wouldn't be P&Ls and spreadsheets. It would be worries about erectile dysfunction. It would be, I'm not having sex with my partner. It would be, how do I improve my sex life?
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What the fuck do I do with nipples? It would be these kinds of things. And that's what you do in your work, and you do it better than anybody. Thank you. Honestly, you're doing something really amazing for a lot of people, a lot of people you'll never even get to see. So on behalf of all of them and me, thank you for what you do.
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
Zooming in on that moment where you and Tim are struggling in the bedroom.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
How long had it been since you had had sex or how often were you having sex at that point?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
What is that?
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Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
In that moment when you and Tim hadn't been having sex, your sex had completely dried up.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
What is that mercy sex?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
And how often was once in a while?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
A couple times a month at the worst. Yeah. Once every other week?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
And how did you feel at the time?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Orgasm Queen: Do This For 20 Minutes Before Having Sex & Have Sex With Them Like When You First Met! I Never Orgasmed Until He Tried This!
But at the start of the relationship, you did. Yeah. You were just kind of.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
I've never heard a story like this in my life. The story of drug trafficking, bribery, kidnapping, and even murder, which earned you the nickname of America's dirtiest cop. And I want to know everything. Okay, but let's just be clear.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And who's paying for all these arrests at the end of the day?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
The city's paying. So the city don't want you to be arresting people? Oh, because they've got a budget to manage. Were you ever directly told to stop arresting these people?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Of course it does. Yeah, so it's all incentives. I think if you look at any system, you'll understand why people behave they do if you understand the incentive structure. And in your case, if you made more arrests of criminals, then the city would have both...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
a bill because they had to pay cops overtime to take care of the admin work, but also they're going to have more cops off the street, which could also lead to more crime. More crime. More crime. Yes. So you were incentivized not to arrest people. Correct. Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And let's talk about that first experience of you taxing the first person, which I think was in 1983. Your starting salary when you joined the police was $18,000 a year, roughly. Yes. And you pulled someone over in 1983.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
That was the first time you committed a crime, I guess, as a police officer.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
You'd pulled them over?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
No plates, right.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
As a cop, one of the things we saw in movies back then is cops getting like sexual favors because they're cops.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Did that happen?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Wow. It's not just in movies.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Your boss, your sergeant around that time, did he know that you were doing things like this?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
When you reflect on that scene that you arrived at, you said there was a 20-year-old man that was dead. Yeah. Did seeing those scenes ever bother you?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And I watched that over and over again in your interviews, and I wondered as I watched people calling you New York's dirtiest cop, how that makes you feel. Not good.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Did you ever show up to a scene where you saw someone dead or dying and feel sad? Yes. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
You saw a lot of stuff. Why did that affect you?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Why did they tell you not to render aid to him?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
At some point, you started actually dealing drugs. Yeah. How did you start getting into drugs? When was that eureka moment that you realized that you could sell drugs?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
How bad did it get with the drug dealing when you were a cop? Because it almost sounds like you've, at this point, given up being a cop, enforcing the law.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
In what regard?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
You could take their drugs.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Did you ever take someone's car?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
What else?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Coats, jackets, gold, whatever. Chains. What was your biggest heist as a police officer?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Yeah, if you're on like $20,000, $30,000, whatever is your salary, getting $40,000 is... Yeah, it doubled my salary, tripled my salary that year.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Were your colleagues around you doing the same?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And how many crimes did you commit while you were a New York cop?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
So just... When you showed up at a scene like that, how do you... And you arrive there and there's guns, there's money, there's drugs. How do you get the money and the drugs without other officers seeing you? It's funny. Like, how do you get it out? Do you put it in the back of the police car?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And what do you do with the cash?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Should you have been?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Did you ever think you were going to get caught?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Do you have a wife and a girlfriend?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And you have kids?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And did anybody know what you were doing at home?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
But you never said it? She knew.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And did she ever give you advice about what you were doing? Stop. That's what she said?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
That's what she said?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Your ex-wife? Yeah. And why didn't you stop? Can't. You can't? You can't.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
I read the story that someone, a lieutenant, had put a complaint against you for a trivial matter. And you retaliated by reporting them to Internal Affairs for being in a drug house. And then this sort of led to a situation where you received death threats over the phone from that lieutenant. Yes.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
So he could see you? I don't know. Did you plot to kill him? No. Why would I plot to kill this guy? Well, because it sounds like he wants to kill you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And still on the top line, just painting the picture here, before we get into the detail, what are the variety of crimes that you committed as a New York police officer?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Thank you. Thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Did you steal someone's porn collection?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
They were dead.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
What's Mike like as a human? What would she have said to me at that point?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And you went to rehab, and when you're coming out of rehab, your intent is to straighten up your life?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
So when you came back from rehab, they thought you were working as an informant potentially?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And what did that mean for you as a cop?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And you tried to resign slash retire from the police on disability at one point?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Right.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Someone looking at the story would probably go, why didn't you, if you knew that they were onto you, if you knew that they were investigating you, following you for months and months and months, why didn't you just stop?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
I was born in 92. And in 92, that's quite a significant year for you because this is the year you were arrested. Correct, yeah. What happened that day? Take me into that day when you were arrested by the police department.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
So did you think you were going to jail for the rest of your life at that point?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
You know, when you say you're going to work with anxiety and fear, earlier on you said you weren't scared of being arrested. I wasn't scared of being arrested.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
It's funny when you describe being arrested and you reference it almost like it was your moment of freedom.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Obviously, most people can't relate because they've never been in such a situation where they've been like arrested. But I think to some degree, people can relate with the feeling of living a life that's like inauthentic to them and then something happening which forces them to course correct.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
So what advice, based on your experience in that moment, would you give to your kids about living an authentic life and lying?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
I think about that just in day-to-day interactions, that it's like it's easier to have the difficult conversation now versus avoiding it, and then it becomes an even more difficult situation.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
That must be quite a challenge still for you today because, you know, you now go on podcasts, you interview, talk about what happened in your life and you, there's a lot of things that you did that are hard to say, but you're also battling with this new reality of being honest about everything.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Fuck you. You eventually get released on bail after that first arrest, which I think comes to a lot of people surprised because I think some people thought that you were going to be in prison for the rest of your life. But your family put up some assets to get you out on bail. That was a $350,000 bail. Right. It doesn't straighten you up.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Okay, so when you go out on bail, your family are basically guaranteeing... The money. The money. Right. So if you don't return from bail... They've got to sell their homes to pay my bail. They've got to get $350,000. Yes. So what you want to do is you want to get $350,000, give it to your family... Correct. ...so that you can escape the US. Correct. Okay.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And how do you plan to get that $350,000? There's a scenario comes my way...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Yeah, seven years. You'd been friends a long time.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
And Kenny intentionally... wears a wire and pulls you into a conspiracy working with the police.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Where they're trying to get you to potentially kidnap this woman, steal her stuff.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Swallowed it like a pig. So you've left jail. You're out on bail. Kenny starts putting in your head this idea of potentially kidnapping or stealing from this woman. You don't know he's working for the police. And on the day of this attempted kidnap slash robbery... Correct. You're arrested. Correct. Again. Again. Again. And how does it feel the second time you're arrested? Relief again?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Why did you take the bait there? Why didn't you just, because you talked to me, you said you had relief when you were arrested that first time.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Because I got arrested. Eventually you're convicted of racketeering, which is basically an organized crime scheme and conspiracy to distribute narcotics. Right. You serve 12 years and five months in prison. Yeah. That day you went to prison, if I had asked you how long do you think you're going to be here, what would you have said?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
People often think if you're like a cop and you get sent to prison that you're going to have a really hard time. You are. Did you have a hard time?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
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Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
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Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
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Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
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Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Fucking prick you. It's so interesting to see that emotion because it really tells me a lot about the relationship you have with this woman. I don't even know this woman, but I can see the relationship.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
But she loves you still. She went to church every day. Every day.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
What? Why does that move you so much to find that out? She went to church every day when you were in jail.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
They must really love you. I guess it's for itself.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
What is that range of emotions you feel about them now in the wake of all of this?
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Corrupt Police Officer: I Arrested Drug Dealers, Then Sold Their Drugs! There’s Massive Corruption Going On Today! - Mike Dowd
Okay.
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Is there guilt associated with them in particular? No.
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Because you left prison after, jail after 13-odd years, and you were 43 years old. You left.
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So you stepped out the door at 44 years old, and you went back home. Yes. Right? Yeah. To their house. To their house, yeah.
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Your mum and your dad.
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Did you want to go back to prison? Yes. When you came out?
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Because people talk about being institutionalized where prison becomes home and comfort and familiarity.
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Was that the case for you? Yes.
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You tried to get a job as a handyman thereafter. Eventually, you go on to be approached to make a documentary about your life called The 7-5 Documentary, which explains your life in more detail and everything that happened. And the documentary was centering on the Mullen Commission, which was a commission set up in New York by the mayor at the time to assess the extent of corruption in the NYPD.
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Correct. And before you were arrested, there were 16 complaints that had been made against you in the years to the Internal Affairs Bureau. You didn't provide any names at the Mullen Commission. You said at the time, if I speak before your commission, a lot of cops are going to commit suicide. Yes, that's correct. And during those hearings at that commission, you admitted to hundreds of crimes.
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But later, you said it's probably more like thousands, and you explained the context of that. Correct. And in that commission, you admitted that both police and drug dealers were your employees. And as a result of this commission, 200 officers were arrested for drug trafficking. Correct.
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So that commission was a huge moment back in 1992 where things really... The commission actually took place in 93, but yes, in association to my arrest, yes.
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What was like the most important thing that he needed to hear that he didn't hear? What was, what would you, if you could teleport back now and whisper in his ear, what would you say to him?
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Did you feel like anyone was proud of you at that age?
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And do you think that if someone had said that to you at 18 years old, that they're proud of you, that they loved you, do you think it's likely that you wouldn't have made the decisions you then went on to make?
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But if that's what you felt.
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Does this corruption still go on in the police department? Yeah. Oh, it's massive. So it's still happening now? It's massive.
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Wow. And you do originally train to become an accountant and drop out because of a woman, right? Yes. And you wanted to follow her. So you end up joining the Police Academy in 1982, 21 years old. Right. And when you joined the Police Academy, did you do it because you wanted to be a police officer? And because you wanted to serve and defend? No. That's not why I joined.
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On overtime. Who was this? This was a sex worker or?
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Oh, so the chief was having sex with the lieutenant?
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Oh, okay. Okay.
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Do you think there's still drug corruption going on with drugs and drug dealers and stuff like that?
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When you say scores, you mean cops showing up at some point, finding something.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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I joined because I wanted a job. Because you wanted a job. And so when you stood there and took that oath, did you mean it?
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And as part of your training to become a police officer, you do some integrity training. Yes. Some like ethics training to make sure that police officers are like straight and narrow and understand ethics.
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Okay. Like the fundamental issue if we don't trust law enforcement and the downstream consequences.
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People want to be dead. And then in 1992, you were arrested and you admitted to hundreds of crimes. But what about your family at this point? You know, that was tough. They're really special people. Mike, we spoke to your parents. Do you want to see what they said?
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There was some kind of comment made at the end of your training by an internal affairs academy instructor, which basically said to be successful as a cop, don't follow these rules, the ethics rules that you were just given.
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Okay.
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And the police all kind of agree that they won't snitch on each other? That's the general rule. And it's called, I read this term, the blue wall of silence. Yes, right.
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Because you need those other cops for your own personal survival.
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So you don't want to be snitching on other cops.
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Who's looking to screw him?
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I mean, the whole time someone's against you. They're trying to find some kind of chink in your arm or something you did wrong.
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When we're thinking about the factors, the environmental factors that led you to make the decisions that you made, one of the big factors that I was looking into at the time was there was obviously this crack epidemic, but then it also seemed like the police at the time didn't actually want you to arrest people. Yes, that's correct.
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I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. Mike. Mike. When people do interviews with you, they often describe you as New York's dirtiest cop.
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You did what? 43 arrests. You did 43 arrests in how many years?
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Okay. So about 90% of the things you should have arrested someone for, you didn't. Correct. Okay. And why weren't you making more arrests?
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You would be paid for that? Paid time and a half. Okay, so then the department has to pay you more money if you do an arrest. And then process the arrest.
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Oh, okay. So it's like removing the docking station.
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Take me into that phase of your life.
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So is that what a hangover is or a comedown? As they would say when people take drugs, they say, I have a comedown.
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Why does it overshoot? Why can't it just perfectly hit homeostasis?
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Because then we'd feel fine.
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Yeah.
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And what is that advice?
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Okay, because immediately after getting something, I'm now feeling a lack of pleasure and I'm at a deficit, you know, on the pain side of the scale, which means that I'm going to go seeking out more dopamine. And in a world where everything is quite scarce, that could mean going on another four-hour hunt the next day to go kill a gazelle or something.
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Yeah, you got it perfectly. Okay, interesting.
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Okay, so that's going to motivate me because – Jesus, people that have hangovers don't seem very motivated.
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Yeah. So you're telling me essentially that we're all wired to be addicted, right? Because if this is how our brain works in a world, it's designed to seek out more dopamine. But the problem we have now is we have all this synthetic dopamine effectively, like this synthetic chemicals and synthetic things and, you know, an internet that is wiring us to give us so much dopamine so easily.
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Quick one before we get back to this episode. Just give me 30 seconds of your time. Two things I wanted to say. The first thing is a huge thank you for listening and tuning into the show week after week. It means the world to all of us. And this really is a dream that we absolutely never had and couldn't have imagined getting to this place.
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That means that our brains are effectively like mismatched to the world that we live in and therefore wired to be addicted. I think you actually said that. I found a quote you said in an interview where you said, we're all wired to be addicted. And if you're not addicted yet, it's right around the corner.
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So what happens to this scale then in such a world where I can get a big hit of dopamine all the time using some of these synthetic things or the internet or pornography or whatever else? What's going on with this scale over and over again?
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For anyone that can't see, she put all of the rocks into the pain side to represent all of the addictive behaviors that this individual has now taken on.
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But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like we're only just getting started. And if you enjoy what we do here, please join the 24% of people that listen to this podcast regularly and follow us on this app. Here's a promise I'm going to make to you. I'm going to do everything in my power to make this show as good as I can now and into the future.
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So if I manage to get enough vodka, whiskey, rum, and pour it into the pleasure side of the scale, now that all the rocks are in the pain side of the scale, I manage to outweigh it. what would then happen?
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More rocks would be added. Yes, more rocks. So momentarily, I would maybe be in a little bit of pleasure. Yes. But then my brain would remove those docking stations again, remove more of them, and more rocks would go in, and I'd slam down... on the pain side again, which means I need more alcohol to try and get up to pleasure. So really you want to dopamine fast. You need to just balance this.
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And this is so difficult because of the world we live in. It's funny enough because this little scales experiment analogy here has given me a huge amount of empathy for people that are addicts.
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One of the things this analogy also highlights for me is that people who are addicted aren't trying to self-harm. And this is kind of the prevailing narrative that if you're like, why would you do that to yourself? Whereas when I look at this analogy, I go, actually, what they're trying to do is to... deal with pain. And we're all trying to find ways to deal with our pain.
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But in this analogy, what ultimately happens, and I guess is what's happening with addicts, is the way they're choosing to deal with their pain is becoming self-destructive, and that's creating more pain. And it's this vicious downward cycle. And I think that sort of reframing of what's going on there is really critical, because again, it gets more empathy.
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We're going to deliver the guests that you want me to speak to and we're going to continue to keep doing all of the things you love about this show. Thank you. Thank you so much. Back to the episode. I've sat here for the last 20 minutes trying to figure out how to say this to you. So I'm just gonna say it how it comes out my mouth.
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So is this why trauma often leads to addictive behaviors? Because the trauma has caused a pain, a stress, and we're searching for ways to... medicate that pain or stress?
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What role is dopamine playing in trauma?
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I mean, that makes sense in my own life. When I'm most stressed or most challenged by something professionally is when I immediately notice that my diet goes out the window. I start eating things that are bad. I actually stop going to the gym as much. And it can form a bit of a downward spiral, can't it? I guess as we've kind of seen from the dopamine scale. Yeah.
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And I apologize if this is messy, but if there was ever an episode this year that you should listen to, it is this one. Since this episode was recorded about a month ago, All I've been thinking about is how on earth I get you to watch this. And I don't say this often. The last time I said this was the first time mogul.com came on this podcast.
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Yeah. So if you discover your drug of choice when you're younger and it's food or it's pornography or if it's, I don't know, anything that really made you feel good for a moment, a moment of pleasure, that will always become, in the case of these rodent experiments... the thing you run back to when life gets hard.
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At the end of this conversation, I want to go through all of the sort of practical solutions that someone struggling with an addiction to social media, pornography, food, whatever it might be, can implement to try and shift that cycle that they might be going through, especially when they're halting, hungry, angry, lonely, or tired. How often have you worked with addicts?
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Have you spent much time working with addicts directly?
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An example of the most obscure addiction.
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She's doing okay?
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This is the second time I've said this in almost four years of recording this podcast on YouTube.
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Gosh. Gosh. In that situation, was there a root cause of that behavior pattern further upstream? Some kind of trauma or experience that had set this sort of cascading set of issues off?
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And the reason for that is so many of the things that I know you're struggling with in your life that stand in the way of the person you want to become, that relationship you have with your phone, the procrastination, the cycles of behavior that make you feel embarrassed and full of shame that you've just never been able to crack.
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How many people do you think are struggling with some form of addiction?
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Interesting. Because we do throw the word addiction around a lot in society. But really the most important part of that is to understand if it's harming yourself or someone else, the behavior pattern.
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Okay. So we sometimes justify behaviors we have as being not harmful and it's fine and it's not impacting me at all. And what do you mean?
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In your book, Dopamine Nation, you talk about an addiction that you had.
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And it was really surprising to me because I would never have thought that being obsessed with erotic novels could be classified as an addiction. What happened? What was the behavior? Take me into that phase of your life.
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It's so interesting because as you were talking about that, I was thinking about all the behaviors that I have that are... maybe isolating me or, you know, even things like spending a lot of time on the internet, just watching video after video after video on YouTube or those kinds of things or just, like, spending tons of time in my WhatsApp group chat, like, roasting my friends about nothing.
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You wrote one of the most iconic, well-known books about dopamine, which propelled the subject matter of dopamine into the public consciousness. But I guess the most important question I should ask you is, why does dopamine matter?
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Right. How do you know if, like, this is... Because on one end of the spectrum, I could say, OK, well, that's harming my relationship with people in the real world, but it's...
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helping making me feel good and it's you know maybe helping me in another department because i'm learning more about vampires or you know like so like you know because there's there might be net harm somewhere else but then an upside over here which and then i start rationalizing this behavior like how do you distinguish between these behaviors and know what's bad and what's good
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How is it making you feel? Because I think a lot of people can't understand how you could get addicted to a book. I'm sure some people understand that, but for me, it's not something I've ever become addicted to. So how did it feel? Was it like exciting? Is it arousing? Is it somewhere in between?
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Okay.
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So what is dopamine? If you had to explain it to a 10-year-old, how would you go about explaining it?
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But just to get to the climax part and then you'd move on.
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You didn't care about anything.
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As you were talking as well, I thought about work and work addiction. Yes. Because you earlier used the term excessive consumption. And when I think about work, even my work, I think, Jesus, I excessively consume work. I start so many bloody businesses and invest in so many things.
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And if you look to that behavior objectively, if you're like an alien looking down at me, you'd go, this guy's got a fucking problem. Do you know what I mean? Do you think that's funny?
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And it's funny because in society, those people are reinforced. We clap.
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We clap. We go, this guy's not sleeping. He's working 18 hours a day. Clap, clap, clap. Give him a trophy, an award. Right. name a thing after him or her or, you know. And it's just really interesting that that addiction of work, and you tell me if it is, it can be an addiction.
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It's certainly on the scale of one end being sort of consumption, excessive consumption, and the other end being addiction. It's on there somewhere.
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A personal brand, right? Right. You're LinkedIn. Oh, my God, this person got a promotion. We'll all clap. We'll all drop the likes, the comments. You're amazing. The adulation.
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This is probably in part why people quit their jobs today.
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I mean, they quit their jobs either in search of more dopamine. So if I'm working in a job where, I don't know, maybe it once gave me dopamine and now it's become monotonous and the same.
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I need to quit to go find. There's novelty for you. That's right.
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So it's plausible that people who are in lower pleasure jobs are more likely to be overweight or addicted or dependent on alcohol? Yeah.
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I guess this in part explains why there's a drinking culture that's associated with people who are potentially lower class because they're doing potentially less pleasurable work and... Therefore, if we think about the scale, that they would then end up in the pub after work.
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I read in your book, you were talking about how different behaviours and sort of chemicals and substances have different impacts. And I was on page 50 of Dopamine Nation. In a study of mice, sex increases the release of dopamine by 100%. And amphetamines, which is like drugs, right? Hardcore drugs, increases it by 1000%. By this accounting, one hit of a meth pipe is equal to 10 orgasms. Okay.
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It's interesting to think about the different behaviors we have and how they'll have a bigger impact on our dopamine. Is there like any, in a typical order of things that are like extremely dopamine inducing and things that aren't, what's it like the top and bottom of the list in your view?
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I've got this picture here which shows what looks like brain scans in a normal person, but then in someone who's addicted to different substances. I'll put this on the screen and I'll link it below in the description for anyone that needs it and wants to see it. But it effectively shows the impact that cocaine has on the brain, meth, alcohol, and heroin. What is going on here?
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Oh, wow.
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That's crazy. So you get a rat, you put the food an inch from its mouth, and it will starve to death because it doesn't have dopamine, the dopamine required to just reach out and eat.
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And we can't just inject or drink dopamine. I mean, I guess that would be like drinking alcohol. We can't just artificially mess with the balances to try and restore the dopamine levels in an addict, can we? Can't just add a little bit of dopamine?
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It does. So we have to, I mean, it tells me that we have to live lives in a certain sense of... We have to live our lives in a certain sort of homeostasis, and it's so easy not to in the world we live in. It's like impossible to live in a perfect homeostasis balance in the world we live in.
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And having an understanding of dopamine, how might that improve my life?
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So you're not going to get an exercise come down?
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And in general... Ah, okay, because it's so hard to do. That it's going to be hard. It's not like pulling a lever on a slot machine or clicking on a porn website. It's difficult. Yes. Okay. So fighting for the dopamine insulates us against the chance of an addiction, having to really fight hard for it. Okay. And this kind of explains, I guess, in part why...
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I pulled out some stats ahead of our conversation today that from 1996 to 2008, participation in ultramarathons has increased by 1,676%. The ice bath market is expected to rise from 350 million in 2024. to nearly half a billion by 2030. The number of people taking part in obstacle course races like Tough Mudder or High Rocks, etc., etc., has increased by almost 7x from 2010 to 2017.
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It seems like in society there's this counter-movement towards people seeking out hard dopamine, chasing pain.
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So what is a better way to live if we're trying to optimize for happiness and to keep our dopamine in balance and not have the crashes, et cetera, and come downs and hangover? What is an optimal way to live our lives? Do we have to look back at our caveman ancestors and live like them?
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What's happening there? You're removing the thought of the outcome, the reward, the potential failure or whatever, and you're focusing on just being present. And in doing so, what is happening?
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And what are the biggest misconceptions on the subject of dopamine? Because it's kind of thrown around in society. I see it in my group chats, people saying, I need more dopamine or whatever, or that person just craves dopamine. What are the biggest misconceptions you've come across?
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Interesting. So when you allow yourself to deal with being uncomfortable in the moment, it turns out It removes the thing that was making you uncomfortable in the moment, which is like the avoidance or the worry or overthinking or whatever else.
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What has caused your anxiety throughout your life in the moment? You referenced earlier that some things have happened that have led you to understand this better and understand yourself better. What am I missing from this jigsaw puzzle?
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Oh, really? It's always time. This doesn't work out.
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It's not too late.
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So interesting that it's acceptance.
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I can't outrun this pain.
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So a natural sort of disposition to try and outrun pain, isn't it?
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But we do now live in a world where it's very easy to outrun the pain.
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This is not a lion that's chasing me. This could be a bad email. And then I open up a tab and start doom scrolling or open up a tab and start watching video, playing video games or pornography or whatever.
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And where do you find yourself now with dealing with that grief and the pain as we sit here?
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You deal with a lot of people that are in a state of suffering. I... Imagine that's a weight, because even hearing the story of the lady that passed away after that water addiction, it was like a weight on my shoulders just to hear it. So if your profession puts you right at the heart of this type of suffering, how do you manage that to hold that weight?
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Is there any particular cases that have stayed with you the most?
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Young and old?
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How young can addiction and the consequences of addiction be? ruin someone's life? Like how young can someone be when their life is ruined from the work you've done and the patients you've worked with? And what are those addictions typically that seem to be most susceptible to those that are young?
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5, 6, 7, 8?
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What's the youngest patient you've ever seen?
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Can you get addicted to cannabis?
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Really?
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Harmful?
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And when you say relative, you mean, I mean, it's quite fitting for anyone that can't see, we have a set of scales on the table. And scales are relative to each other, because if you pour in one end, the other end goes up. And if you pour in the other end, the other end goes up and this end goes down. And when you say relative, that's what you're describing, right?
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On page 40 of Dopamine Nation, you say we've lost the ability to tolerate even minor forms of discomfort. And as I was reading through this section of your book, I was thinking, it sounds like we've gone a little bit soft. We've reset our pleasure pain threshold to the side of pain that even the slightest thing feels like trauma to us.
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Even things that objectively speaking a generation or two ago would not have been considered traumatic are now trauma. We live in a bit of a trauma society, one that doesn't appear to be very resilient. And the only measure of that that I have is if I think about the work that my grandfather had to do.
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Versus the work that people maybe in my generation do and complain about and seem to be like objectively suffering over and stressed about. It seems like there's been a shift in our threshold, our tolerance levels. Can this be explained through dopamine? What's going on here? And do you believe that's true? Have we gone a bit soft?
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Because we've had so much pleasure.
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Okay. And what activities that I do every day have an impact on my dopamine?
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We have a mental health culture where we assume most things are a mental health illness. In page 186 of your book, you say, I've become convinced that the way we tell our personal stories is a marker and predictor of mental health.
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Now, if you live in a society where everything has a label and it's a disease or an illness or, you know, I don't feel good today, so I've got this disorder and therefore I need this medication. I guess there's two questions. Is my assessment of the situation correct?
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And B, is this a bad place to be in a society where we think everything, every feeling we have, we think everything that makes us different is a deficiency?
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Why is it so hard to take responsibility in such a way?
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It's interesting because— There'll be different groups of people listening to this now. There'll be the high responsibility group that just love and revel in taking responsibility because they think taking responsibility means that they are strong. It means that I'm so strong, I can take the blame and withstand it.
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And it's funny because the more I've learned to take responsibility for things in certain areas of my life, the more I've become proud of myself and the more I think I'm strong. And I'm like, oh, look at me. I can take responsibility for anything. And it doesn't
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And then if you go down this spectrum, you'll eventually get to the end of the spectrum where you've got people who, even as they heard you say that, will feel cognitive dissonance. They'll feel a sense, like a little, it'll irritate them. It'll piss them off. And they will be the whataboutery gang. They'll be saying, yes, but what about Dave? He did this to me.
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And, you know, they'll, like the immediate reaction would be they're pissed off. They've probably gone now. They've gone. So we're not even talking to them anymore. But if you say... But it's fine, we can talk about them, they're no longer here. Right, there you go.
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But that group of people, my question really is, how do you speak to that group of people and convince them that actually taking personal responsibility is a good thing for them? And if they're focused on what their core values or their North Star is in their life, then personal responsibility is the path there, not blame, not victimhood. You know, like, how do you turn those people around?
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So that form of sort of psychotherapy that stops there can help keep us sick and make us sick. It's interesting because someone that's in that therapy room who has ruminated themselves all the way down to having a low self-esteem, being depressed or whatever, it appears to me that people who are at that sort of ground floor state find it hardest to take responsibility for some reason.
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Just that's an observation in my life that the people that I have met that are the worst or that struggle the most with taking responsibility are those that have a very low self-esteem. So it's almost this double-edged catch-22. And then I've also pondered whether, you know,
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Someone that never takes responsibility is more likely to have bad things happen to them, make mistakes, which are then going to further hurt their self-esteem, which are going to make it even harder to take responsibility. So I guess the question is, is there a relationship between my current self-esteem and my ability or inability to take responsibility for a situation?
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Does our personal narrative need to be positive?
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Like, rah, rah, I'm great. Almost like have a positive ending because I was thinking about the personal narrative I've created in my life. And my personal narrative is like, kid born in Africa, came to the UK, little bit of racial abuse here and there, felt different, shame, insecurity. Parents weren't around. This made me independent. Shame made me motivated.
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And then I did this, this, this, and it went well. That's like my personal narrative. But if my personal narrative was moved to Plymouth from Botswana in Africa, a little bit of shame, a little bit of pain, parents weren't around, my parents didn't love me, people don't love me. Right, right.
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If my personal narrative ended there, would it be, you know, would it be detrimental to me ever becoming successful, happy, healthy? I'm just wondering if, because we all have a personal narrative. We have like a story. If we're up on stage and someone passes a mic to us and says, tell us your story, we'll narrate this version of events skewed towards victimhood, to heroism, to, you know.
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Yeah, I think it causes a lot of like dissonance internally. So when I say dissonance, I mean discomfort internally because people meet a version of you that doesn't reflect the version of you that you know. So like the experience you have when you go, like I go to the gym or something. And I say this to my team all the time. Anyone that knows me personally has heard me say this 50 times.
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I will say the phrase, I just don't understand what these people are talking about. Like, I just don't get it. And I said to my team the other day in the office, I went, it's almost like I think they're lying to me. And I said I was in this meeting group.
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Yeah.
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Because it's so unbelievable what they're saying to me that it feels like you're – I've not even watched The Truman Show. I just know what it means. But it feels like – these people are just all lying to you.
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And I think I was talking to Jack and the team the other day about going to Thailand and being so far away from home and people coming up to you, like thousands of people were doing this meet and greet thing and saying these things to you. And I said to the team, I was like, it's part of my brain that's like, these people are lying to me. And also...
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Yeah, you can see how it can be a slippery slope to slide in to their narrative of you. Right. And you've got to do quite a lot to just like stay at home. What I mean by stay at home, I don't mean like physical location. I mean like staying grounded in like who you actually are. Right. And this goes for people that obviously, you know, have a public platform or don't.
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It's very easy for one person on the internet to say something to you and then you just start to accept that as your narrative.
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It's easy for your parents to tell you that you should be a doctor and then you go to university and you study to be a doctor and you become a doctor and then you start thinking you're a doctor and how that can sway you away from the full array of things that make you who you are. The music, you know, whatever hobbies you had. Yeah. narratives are comfortable sometimes.
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They make us feel heard and understood. They make us fit. But they also are a double-edged sword because they can... take us away from like who we actually are.
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Interesting. I've never thought of it like that.
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So interesting, because part of what you just, as you were talking, I was thinking, do you know what's interesting? I don't even, I'm not even the smart one in this. I'm interviewing these smart people. No, no. And the smart people are changing their lives. And that's what comes up to me in Thailand.
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It makes a lot of sense. Okay. Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. I felt the same imposter syndrome as you said everything there. I was like, that's very kind of you to say, but it's just very, I think part of the dissonance comes from the fact that I sit here in a room with you And there's only the person in this whole room, we're in this big studio here in Los Angeles, is Jack.
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And so there's part of your brain, the prehistoric brain, that thinks the three people that are aware of what happened in this room are me, you, and Jack. That's it.
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And then you go to Kuwait. Right.
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And a kid comes up to you in the gym and goes, that conversation that you had about addiction.
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And that's the dissonance, like you weren't there. But I don't know, the prehistoric brain might not be able to fully comprehend the idea of cameras and numbers, you know, people are listening at the moment.
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On this point of how we help someone in our lives who's suffering with some of the things we've talked about today... What is a bad way to try and help someone? Because in our love for them, sometimes we do things, which even in my own experience of people that are struggling in my life, I think, actually, I think in my pursuit of helping them, I've actually hurt them in some way. Yes.
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I just want to, before we move on, talk about this point you said, because I think it's quite foundational to everything we're going to talk about, about dopamine being relative to pain. And I have this set of scales in front of me. And here I have some chemicals that are likely to produce dopamine in my brain, I believe. Right, so alcohol.
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I've had experiences in my life, and this is why I really wanted to ask this question, where I thought I was helping someone.
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And then the minute I withdrew the help and basically completely gave up, the person got better. Yes. But for six, seven, eight years, this person struggled. And the minute I stopped helping, they got better. Yeah. So I said to my partner before when I was talking about this, I was like, it's possible to prop someone up in their compulsive behavior and not realize you're doing it.
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In fact, there's three examples which me and my friends are aware of. And one of my friends talks openly about this where I was propping him up. I was letting him stay at my house. I was providing for him while he was in his struggles. The minute I had a difficult conversation with him when he was... I think I was 25 years old and he was 30. And I said, you've got to go. You've got to go.
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You've got to get out of my house. He went back, moved in with his parents in his childhood room. He built up his whole life again. He's out of the compulsive behaviors. He's very successful, very rich, living abroad now. And I was like, God, if I hadn't have pushed him out my basement... he probably would still be there. I thought I was doing him a favor.
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And there's another really pertinent example to me quite recently where someone who I've known for many, many, many years, the minute I said to them, listen, and this sounds really harsh, right? Because I tried paying for their therapy, tried paying for everything for this person. And eventually I got to the point where I said, honestly, I've tried, don't talk to me about this anymore.
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I have some rum, I have some whiskey, I have some vodka. And can you explain to me, using this rum, whiskey, and vodka, how dopamine is relative to pain and what's going on in my brain?
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Stop talking to me about it. Just don't message me about it. Don't talk to me about it anymore. They got better.
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Interesting.
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And my last question on this then is how do you approach that conversation with that person? Because so often it's approached through frustration or shame or blame. What's the best way to approach someone who's struggling with a behavior to express that you're concerned and to, I don't know, offer your help if that's a good thing?
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We've got to let them hit the rock bottom.
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Okay, I'll slide this over to you.
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It goes back to a quote I heard a long time ago, some 10 years ago, that said, change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of making a change.
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I want to talk about digital drugs. One of the subjects that's been a recurring theme on this podcast, inspired initially, I think it was mentioned in an episode we had, but then it was such a huge amount of the feedback we got in the comments section that I thought we need to talk about this more because clearly there's a lot of people suffering. We also then used a tool called
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which looks at what people are Googling and searching a lot. And one of the most popular searches around the subject matter of addiction is pornography addiction. It's actually, it was number one and four in the search tool that we used. And the phrases people are using are how to stop pornography addiction,
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how to help someone with pornography addiction, how to rewire my brain, which is sort of all sort of correlated themes. So pornography addiction, something you see a lot.
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I have to create a little bit of a space actually before I ask this question because I did a porn debate on the show and I got a very long voice note from a good friend of mine who said, just watch the porn debate. There was two women there and a guy and me, Stephen, um, But I just wish someone had mentioned that women get addicted to porn too.
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And then on the episode, one of the top three comments on the episode is, I'm a woman, it wasn't mentioned, but I also have a pornography addiction. And you've also kind of echoed that with the erotic novels that you mentioned, romantic novels. So pornography addiction, do you see that often? And I guess critically, how does one go about overcoming that?
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And how do you know it's a pornography addiction? I guess it goes back to the point of harm, but yeah.
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What's the harm of pornography, watching pornography?
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I've heard a few people say that pornography lowers our motivation to go out there in the world and to pursue getting a job and getting a career and going to the gym, et cetera, et cetera. And through the lens of what we've talked about today, where dopamine was this motivating force for those rats to just reach out and eat the food.
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If you remove the dopamine from the rat's brain, it wouldn't even eat food in front of it and it will starve to death. When we think about men, you said roughly in your practice, about 90% of the people that come in with a pornography addiction are men.
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This all kind of overlaps to create this picture that in the modern world, when we think about why more men are lonely, why they're more often in their basements playing video games now or watching pornography than ever before, why they're having less sex and having sex later, why they're struggling to form relationships, why less men are potentially in college at the moment.
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Maybe some of the answers are in... the fact of just like how men are wired because if they're thinking this through if men are more likely to have a disposition to these kinds of behaviors then these kinds of behaviors are more likely to impact and demotivate and destabilize men is that all like rough broadly accurate
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When you say expectations, do you mean like hard work we have to do to create and find intimacy?
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In an attempt to offer people out there now that are struggling with some kind of form of compulsive behavior or addiction a pathway to turn this around, what is step one? In your book, I have read all these incredible ideas around the wisdom we can learn from addicts. I learned about dopamine fasting. And I also learned about radical honesty and the role that that plays. What is the process?
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So someone listening to this right now, they're struggling with one of these addictions. They've got a pornography addiction. They're addicted to gaming. Maybe it's food. Maybe it's erotic novels. Maybe... They're reading Twilight at the moment. What do you say to that person that step one is?
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Do we then need to, you talk about this concept of self-binding?
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Self-binding. Right. What role does that play in all of this?
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Because these are all cues.
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And cues can be physical things. So someone I see, cues can also be basically an emotion. You talked about halt, hungry, angry, lonely, tired. I eat well during the day. Like now as I leave here, there'll be a salad, I reckon, in the green room over there for me. And the only time where I'm susceptible to not eating well is if it's late. Right.
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And so when you said the hungry, angry, lonely, tired thing, that is probably the state that I'm in sometimes when I get home. Certainly hungry, certainly tired. Probably a little bit lonely as well, but certainly those two things. And that seems to be when I'm most susceptible to making a regrettable decision as it relates to my dopamine. I've also wondered if...
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dopamine is responsible for what people almost call like the sugar cravings that we have. So what I've observed is in previous years of my life, when I was eating lots of sugar, I would then go into about like a two-week cycle of like binging the sugar. And right now I'm in like a really great cycle with my food where I have no cravings for the sugar. I'm staying in a hotel here in LA.
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There's a mini bar in the room with Oreos and gummy, all these chocolates and all these things. And I haven't touched them because for some reason in this like couple of weeks of my life or whatever, I just don't have the cravings anymore. But I kind of suspect that if I start eating them, then the next five, Four weeks will be a car crash. Yes. Why does this happen?
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Dr. Anna Lemke is professor of psychiatry at Stanford, chief of the Stanford Addiction Clinic, and a world-leading expert on the subject of dopamine.
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It made me think about children. It made me think about children because if I'm a five-year-old and I'm binging on sugar, this sets me up for a life where I'm going to be, I mean, based on the analogy, the experiment I just had, based on the experiment I just had there, it sets me up for a life where I'm going to so easily slip right back into that addiction for sugar.
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And also I know that the brain isn't fully developed when we're children, so maybe the effect is even more lasting in children. Significant. Is any of that true?
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Like what?
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What's going on in the brain if a kid is exposed to those things?
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What is the most important thing that we didn't talk about that we should have as it relates to dopamine?
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I guess based on the questions you're exposed to from the general public, is there anything that we missed that someone at home right now is going to be screaming at the screen?
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Thank you so much. You're welcome. It's been so unbelievably thought-provoking for me in so many ways. I thought I knew what dopamine was. I thought I had covered all the ground there was to cover on these subjects of sort of compulsive behaviors. But I was so unbelievably wrong.
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And it wasn't until I got into your book and started reading through your work that I was like, oh, my God, most people don't have a clue. about dopamine and the role it plays on us. And this scale analogy is particularly memorable because that helps me to think through many of the behaviors that I have in my life that I've either struggled with or become quite stubborn in various ways.
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But also it's turned a couple of lights on to some of the things I said about like my sugar, eating sugar and even like going to the gym and why like my motivation can seem to fluctuate with the gym sometimes. It's so unbelievably important because this little neurotransmitter seems to control so much of our lives. And we're never taught anything about it. So we become these kind of puppets.
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And the puppet master is this brain which is firing off all of these neurotransmitters that are determining who we are, who we become. and also who we don't become. Thank you so, so, so much. I know you were nervous coming here today, but I have to tell you, you are very brilliant. You're exceptionally brilliant in so many ways.
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That's why I said you should start a podcast because you're really built for this medium.
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You have a certain warmth and empathy to you while also being incredibly smart and accessible in the way that you communicate. So please carry on. Because I don't think, although you overcame the difficulty of those nerves, I think there's so many hundreds of thousands and millions of people listening now that are so thankful that you did. Like really thankful that you did.
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And if you've just nudged their life a little bit in a better direction, that's worthwhile. So thank you. We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest without knowing who they're going to be leaving it for. What is the most recent piece of information that changed your life?
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We're going to become cyborgs.
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It's interesting when we become connected to the internet and we truly interface with the internet, we really don't need to use our physical being anymore because we can experience all the joy and adventure and travel digitally. And that's, I mean, it just messes with the incentive structures like we've talked about with dopamine. Yeah. Changes our ability to get up and go and to do things. Yeah.
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I mean, that's a lovely, hopeful ending. Thank you so much. Oh, you're welcome.
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Super helpful. And I'm going to link both of these books below. I've got the Dopamine Nation book, which was the original, I believe. Yes. And then following that, you released Dopamine Nation Workbook, which is a practical guide to find balance in an age of indulgence. I highly recommend it. Everybody reads these. I'm going to go and reread them on my journey home back to London tonight.
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So I really, really appreciate you reading these books. And honestly, everyone needs to go read these books. I'm sure they will. So thank you so much.
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When you say drug of choice, you mean the brain has a particular sensitivity to that drug in terms of dopamine? Yeah.
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So you're holding some whiskey there.
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There could be a brain that is very sensitive to whiskey, and there could be a different brain that you could pour all the whiskey in you like, and the dopamine response is sort of limited.
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Sort of baseline level...
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So what's happened here for people that can't see is you've poured a little bit of whiskey into one end of the scale, the pleasure side of the scale, and the other side of the scale has risen because now there's whiskey in the pleasure side, which I guess has released dopamine.
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Because the pain side went up, does that mean there's now less pain in the brain?
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What does that mean?
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And going through that experience in those early years and then going through everything that happened thereafter, there doesn't appear to be any bitterness. There doesn't appear to be any chip on the shoulder, any anger.
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What would they say back?
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Being underestimated. It's a word that I saw throughout your book and it's a word you mentioned a second ago. You knew you were going into an underestimated world, if I can call it that, a world that was going to underestimate you because of your race and things like that. But it's so clear to me that you had your shoulders back regardless. And I spoke to Valerie.
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Of course you know Valerie. You've worked with Valerie for many decades. She was sort of an early mental figure in your life, Michelle. Yes, she was. And she actually wrote me a letter about you. She describes that...
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She's never met someone in her life that was so clear on what they wanted to achieve in the world in terms of the social good and the impact they wanted to have, but was so unbelievably confident and high conviction. And when I think about when you went to Harvard and studied law, there was what 30% of the people attending were women and then a tinier percentage were black women.
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And you were aware again of being underestimated, but again, shoulders back, it seemed. Where does that come from in you?
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The adults that are in front of me today.
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What's the scam?
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The journey you've both been on is really, really remarkable for so many reasons, but it's also remarkable for the pivots along the way. And I was reading about a bit of an identity crisis that you had when you were 27, 28 years old, Michelle, when you were a lawyer.
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At Sidley and Austin.
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Craig, when was the first time you heard that your little sister had met a guy called Mr. Obama?
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And what did you think of him, honestly?
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You rejected him at first, right?
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You both have that through line through your story of ticking the boxes. And then eventually, it's kind of what we were talking about yesterday on your show, where sometimes your preconception has to fail you.
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And you have to feel it for you to understand that maybe a pivot is needed in your life. And it was the same when I was talking about my early journey. Valerie, this very interesting character in your life. This is the letter, I found it, that Valerie wrote in to me. And she's talking about the pivot you made from being a lawyer to leaving that law firm and going in pursuit of something else.
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What was the something else you were pursuing before I read what Valerie said to me?
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What was the journal question?
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Well, Valerie said, she said the opposite. I'm joking, I'm joking. The day I met Michelle Obama changed my life forever. I'll never forget the moment she strolled into my office for an interview, dressed in all black, hair elegantly pulled back. I was struck by the confidence that she carried herself with. She looked me right in the eye when she shook my hand. She was so poised and self-assured.
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that it was hard to believe that she was only 27 years old. Michelle told me about her life, how she grew up in the South Side, how much love and support her parents poured into her and her brother, Craig.
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I asked her why she was considering public service rather than a much more lucrative path as a partner in a law firm, and she said that she had recently lost her dad and her best friend within a year. And their deaths were a painful reminder of the finiteness of life and the importance of making it purposeful.
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and how she knew that her abilities could lead her to make a difference in the lives of others, to serve and to give back to the city that she'd grown up. I was so in awe of her clarity of purpose, determination, and vulnerability that I offered her a job on the spot.
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It was like, ooh, what did Valerie say? And at that time in your life, you know, those early 30s, what's going on with Mr. Obama?
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Business takes me all over the world and I travel about 50 weeks a year. And up until recently, one of the challenges I continued to face was staying connected as soon as I landed somewhere new. The reality is I don't have time to wait around and sort out SIM cards while I'm on the go.
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I guess I'm seeking advice from both of you on love and romance and relationships because I'm in my early 30s now. And when I looked at both of your stories of love in your 30s, It's not a straight line. Oh, no. It's not a straight line, to say the least. Michelle, you talk about going to marriage counseling with Brock.
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What does someone like me at 32 years old, who is in a relationship, who is aggressively pursuing a career, because I feel like I've got to build and build and build and set my family up for the future. What advice would you both give me about navigating love through that part of your career where it's go, go, go, go, go?
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Is that when it got hard for you?
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You talked about foundational values. What were those foundational values that you learned in that location? And... How did your parents teach you those foundational values? And I ask that with great curiosity, because as I read through both of your books, There are moments in your career where, as adults in your late 20s, where those values show up so clearly over and over and over again.
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Did you have that conversation? No, no, we did not. You did not have that conversation.
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You had some pregnancy struggles. Yes. And I've spoken to many women on this show who have been through similar pregnancy struggles. And it's something that I've... It's actually a big conversation in my life at the moment, but also just some of my friends in my life around trying to get pregnant and the IVF journey which you went on. What do... women who are struggling need to understand.
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And how did you feel when you were contemplating the IVF journey and when you started to have struggles conceiving without IVF?
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And as I was reading, I was thinking, gosh, what did their parents do to orientate them in such a clear way? Where at key moments in both of your careers, you make decisions not to get a pay rise or not to go for the thing that is higher status and to do something else, either something that's aligned with your passions and hobbies or something that's in service of others.
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So what were those values and how did your parents instill those in you?
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Was there ever a moment where you thought?
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former President Barack Obama decides to make, which is to run for public office. And that has a profound impact on both of your lives because it's the most powerful job in the world. It is, you become the most famous family in the world. When he said that he was going to do that, did you believe that he was capable of it?
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This one change has transformed how my team and iMove train and think about our bodies. When Dr. Daniel Lieberman came on the Diary of a CEO, he explained how modern shoes, with their cushioning and support, are making our feet weaker and less capable of doing what nature intended them to do. We've lost the natural strength and mobility in our feet and this is leading to issues like back pain,
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and knee pain. I'd already purchased a pair of Vivo barefoot shoes. So I showed them to Daniel Lieberman and he told me that they were exactly the type of shoe that would help me restore natural foot movement and rebuild my strength. But I think it was plantar fasciitis that I had where suddenly my feet started hurting all the time.
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This has never been done before. A newsletter that is ran by 100 of the world's top CEOs. All the time people say to me, they say, can you mentor me? Can you get this person to mentor me? How do I find a mentor? So here is what we're going to do. You're going to send me a question.
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And the most popular question you send me, I'm going to text it to 100 CEOs, some of which are the top CEOs in the world running $100 billion companies. And then I'm going to reply to you via email with how they answered that question. You might say, how do you hold on to a relationship when you're building a startup?
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What is the most important thing if I've got an idea and don't know where to start? We email it to the CEOs. They email back. We take the five, six top best answers. We email it to you. I was nervous because I thought the marketing might not match the reality. But then I saw what the founders were replying with and their willingness to reply. And I thought, actually, this is really good.
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You rejected him at first, right?
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And all you've got to do is sign up. Completely free. Did you ask for any commitments or promises if he were to win?
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What should you have said?
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Never took a sick day.
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Being the first Black First Lady in the White House— The public scrutiny that that comes with is a unique type of scrutiny. Being the first lady anyway comes with tremendous scrutiny.
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Craig, if that was my little sister, public scrutiny elevated to the highest office in the land, I'll ask you the question. How did you feel?
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Because it's relentless. It is relentless. It's relentless. It is global. It is unfair.
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And yourself, how does one deal with such scrutiny? The scrutiny occurs for eight years as the public are at war with different opinions and ideas, and often the president is seen as the villain or the hero in that context, and the family is obviously impacted by that. But then even beyond the White House, it's relentless.
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Is there a framework? Is there an underlying belief? Is there a set of values?
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What did she give you that helped you through that journey of being thrust into the very, very, very highest mountain in public service? What role did she play? What force was she at that time for you both?
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I can still see her in your face as you reflect.
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How did that loss impact the family? It's 2024, so it's fairly recent.
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Have you processed the grief? Have you been able to?
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Permission. Yeah. I was watching the coverage over your decision, your decision to sort of take back some of your control and not go to Trump's inauguration. Is that one of those key moments in your life where you did take back control?
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Absolutely. What was the thinking behind that decision?
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Mm-hmm. It's a tool in the toolbox that you sometimes don't even realize is there if you're privileged enough to. Right. Because it's that tectonic plate that sits underneath you that you never can really see, but gives you a certain sense of, I guess, risk and go get it.
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Former First Lady (Michelle Obama): This Is A Scam! People Were Running From Us Because We Were Black! I Was Bitter About The Racism I Received!
Obviously, off the back of that, people start to swell rumors that there's an issue with you and Brock and there's a divorce coming. I mean, you can say it yourself, but I don't think that needs to be addressed.
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Your podcast is incredible and I highly recommend everybody goes and checks it out. I'm going to link it below on the screen. I was fortunate enough to be invited on it yesterday and we had a wonderful conversation. We sure did. IMO, in my opinion, it's a reflection of this kind of conversation. It's human. It's a discovery of life.
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You're bringing people on there that have wisdom to share, but you're passing through that to understand the world that we're all living in and the struggles that we're all contending with. So it's a wonderful, wonderful space on the internet. I highly recommend my viewers go and check it out on Spotify, on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts.
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It's a must listen, in my opinion, because it's so rare that we get an insight and a window into the family, but also just the human story of everything that you've both been through in your lives as a really successful coach, as a stockbroker, as the first lady, as a mother, and then everything you're going to do thereafter.
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You're helping me navigate the world and you help other people navigate the world because not everybody has that foundation. Not everybody has the parents at home. Not everybody has, especially in black communities, not everybody has the mentors. And you're vicariously mentoring the world through that show. So please do continue. It's a wonderful thing to get to podcast.
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And I was so happy to hear when you joined the industry. We have a closing tradition. And the closing tradition on this podcast is that the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for.
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So the question that's been left for you both is, if there is one person in your life that you have been afraid of putting up a boundary with, but know you need to, who would it be? Now, you don't have to name them, but I guess this question is just about boundaries.
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The inauguration might have been the opposite.
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And with that, I thank you both. It's such an honor to get to meet you and to learn so much from you. And yeah, the rise of your family, the grace, the humility, and the way that you've conducted yourself has been a huge source of inspiration for me. As a young Black man that's navigating the world and that's looking up to role models that aren't often in close proximity in our lives.
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So thank you so much. I I can't tell you how much you had a profound impact on me. Thousands of miles away in a small little village in the southwest of England had a profound impact on me in shaping the man that I became in my life. And that's a credit to your family. And it's just the greatest honor that I got to speak to you both today. So thank you.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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Did you ask for any promises if he were to win?
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Does that teach you to respond to others who cry for that help?
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Race. One of the startling things with these two photos, mainly because I think it's this way around, but this is, I believe, what, second grade or something? That was first grade. First grade, and then this is seventh or eighth?
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There's a lot less white people in the second photo, which means that, which assumes that white people started leaving your school. Oh, absolutely.
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Yeah. My question really is about what role did race play in your childhood? Because I think about my own childhood and it's quite a prominent persuasive force in who I became and what I thought about the world and really what I thought about myself. So race is an issue as young people in Chicago. What role did it play?
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What was the thinking behind that?
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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Yeah, yeah. For anyone that doesn't have context on white flight, what is white flight?
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Lewis Howes didn't admit that until a couple of years ago. Is that right? So he's lived with that his whole life. And it wasn't until he was, I think, having dysfunctional relationships and a few other things had happened that he decided he wanted to say it publicly for the first time. which again feeds into your point. We actually asked some of our audience to write in.
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And one of the people that wrote in was a teacher in a primary slash preschool. And she said to me, she was an anonymous teacher in Germany. And she says, every year, it seems like more and more children, always boys, have this new energy to destroy the classroom dynamics.
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These boys almost always have two things in common, a lack of boundaries at home, an unsupervised, unlimited access to all kinds of content on the internet, e.g. porn. Their perception of what is okay and what is right becomes completely distorted. I have tried so many things and every year it's becoming an even bigger challenge. Young boys in school.
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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So one proposal is to delay education for boys, put them in education later. Is the classroom itself a problem? Like the sitting in school, listening to someone speak at you. Someone proposed to me on this podcast before that boys need more sort of practical play and the classroom isn't designed for that.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. In March 2025, the Centre of Social Justice released this report, which has sent a couple of shockwaves across the UK, especially across the media.
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I was thinking that. So if we have less men in the home raising the children and then we go to school and the stat says that 72% of teachers in middle school are women as well. There's no men at school either. It's no wonder that boys are struggling so severely at such a young, early age for so many reasons, because one would assume that they're being socialized in the same way as girls are.
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I'm seeing, I've got a mother at home, don't have a father. I've got women at school, don't have male teachers. I mean, that's a controversial thing to say. I'm sure it used to be, but I think people are waking up a little bit now.
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And just to give you a little bit of a sort of preface and some context on what this report says, at the start of the report, Andy Cook, who's the CEO of the report, says, we listen to those working on the front line, the teachers, the youth workers, the charities, and the parents who day in, day out, see the struggles of young people. And in recent years, they've been telling us the same thing.
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I want to get into dating and marriage and love and all those things. One of the things that really shocked me as I was preparing for this conversation was this graph. Because this isn't the narrative that we hear. Can you both see this one? This is the reverse gender gap.
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Gender pay gap graph.
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And it shows that young women are now out earning young men. That's not what I heard in terms of like if I log on to social media we've been trying to fight the gender pay gap but to see that young men are now falling behind both in education both in unemployment young men face higher unemployment nearly twice the rate of women looking at the early developmental stats this graph was horrifying.
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I like actually couldn't believe that was true that young young boys are struggling so much in education but then to see also that it's reflected in
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something is going on with our boys. And because of this, they wrote this report called The Lost Boys, which looks at all of the different facets of why young men are struggling. And in this report, they say boys are struggling in education. They're more likely to take their own lives. They're finding it more difficult to find stable work. And far too often they're caught in crime.
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You said that women feel the need to then also earn a career and all those things. Where did that come from?
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The numbers don't lie. Something has shifted and we cannot ignore it any longer. It's not just about Andrew Tate or online influences. These are symptoms, not the cause. The deeper truth is that too many boys are growing up without the guidance, discipline and purpose they need to survive.
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And there's some frankly horrific graphs, which actually sent the CEO of my company, a lady called Georgie, um, into quite an emotional state. She texted me and told me she was crying looking at some of these graphs, which we'll talk about today. But this is a subject that I know both of you know very, very well. So I'm keen to get into exactly why this is happening and what we can do about it.
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What are women looking for? Scott talked about height.
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But to preface this discussion, to understand where you both come from and the perspective you have, Logan, who are you?
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Scott's point as well about they will date one of the men in the top 10%, sleep with him potentially, and then that kind of adjusts their standards and they expect all other men to meet that standard. But there isn't just, there isn't enough men to meet that standard, is there?
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And what do you do?
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And what sort of reference points do you draw upon? Because you've got some sort of unique access to data, right?
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Thank you.
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and that the number of males aged 16 to 24 who are not in educational employment has increased by a staggering 40%.
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It is hard as a young man to share how you feel with other young men. Even if they're your best friends, it's so much easier just to roast each other.
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Like my group chat with my guys is probably a little bit more advanced in terms of emotional openness. But most of it is just like a war zone. We're like criticizing each other, attacking each other. But that's kind of our way of showing love. And then you'll have once every two weeks, someone will be going through something.
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So like one of my friends now, they've just found out that there's a complication with the pregnancy and the tone shifts and we all become supportive.
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But my girlfriend tells me how rare that is, that we have this space where we'll talk about our emotions and how we're feeling and we'll switch from like trying to kill each other in the most like funny way to being really, really emotionally supportive. A lot of men don't have that.
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What is the evolutionary basis for this? This is what I was thinking the whole time. I was like, did we lose the man's group at some point in our past? And is that why we're adding it back into our lives? Like, what used to do this job before?
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I'm keen to understand from your perspectives what you think, like, the first domino that falls in a young man's life or a young boy's life that causes the outcomes we're talking about today. Like, where is the first place to start?
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Which means…
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I want to talk about all of this and specifically offer some solutions to the young, to the parents, to the boys, to the teens, to the men that are listening. We had a young man actually write in on this subject and he said, I've suffered with crippling loneliness and so I've spent over $1,000 hiring women online just to talk to me and to keep me company.
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On top of that, I've spent several thousand dollars more engaging in other business with them. After doing this for nearly a year now, I still feel incredibly unfulfilled. And on the subject of porn, 30% of internet traffic is now related to porn, with about 80% of that porn traffic coming from men and 20% coming from women. I actually had a conversation on this podcast before about porn.
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And funnily enough, the top comment was, by the way... us women, get porn addicted too. Because it was a bit of a blind spot to me, but I think that's something that's worth acknowledging. And the stats are staggering in terms of how higher porn consumption correlates to higher probabilities of depression. What do you do about it? Like on an individual level, I get it.
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Try not to watch porn, but I mean, that doesn't seem like incredibly great advice because if you're lonely, you're not getting laid. No one wants to date you for all the reasons we've talked about today. Restraint seems to be a pretty shitty solution.
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It's interesting because if you go on TikTok or if you go on X, you'll find a lot of videos of women filming themselves as a guy inappropriately came and made a gesture to them and then like publicly shaming them on the internet. It's very popular to do it in the gym. They set up a phone. They're working out. A guy comes over and asks if they need help with the weights.
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It then goes viral online because that guy was being inappropriate.
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Can I just say something to that? If the guy rolls up and he's 6'4", and he's, you know, gorgeous...
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So what do we do about it, Logan? Scott gave a really good sort of advice for the young man or the young person who's trying to increase their mating value, their dating value. What advice would you give to a young man about how to be attractive? Because there's going to be a lot of young men listening right now.
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in my is it my clothes yeah yeah my clothes oh okay and it really has to be gut reaction so scott if you thought of one i want to hear it i thought of like a black silk shirt and that's probably because that's where we spend quality time together it's when i'm wearing a black silk shirt special occasions date night restaurant um make an effort um do you feel good in it yeah of course i feel my best in it yeah and do you have one for your wife
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We've talked a lot about how young men are struggling. Which demographic of women do you find struggle the most as it relates to mating and dating?
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Do you find that the more successful a woman becomes, the more difficult it becomes for her to find – a man that will not feel emasculated by her success?
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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This report is absolutely shocking. This is a crisis and young men are struggling. So I sat down with two leading voices on societal issues to discuss the rise of millions of lonely, addicted men. And the most important question is, how do we fix this? So let's start with this graph. It shows that young women are now out earning young men.
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,,, And then sometimes I take notes. And then sometimes I repeat back to her what she just said to me. And this is totally alien to me. And it hurts when I do it. It, like, hurts. And I find it so uncomfortable. Like, I find it really, really uncomfortable to do that.
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It's so unnatural to me.
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I've worked on it, yeah. I did it like three days ago. My girlfriend said I was traveling around the world. I don't even know what country we were in. She goes, I've got some things I want to talk about. Can we put some time in the calendar? Do you have 60 minutes? I've got off stage in Sweden. I put in 60 minutes into my calendar. She video calls me and she talks to me for about 45 minutes.
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I don't have anything to say. And I just sit there and listen. And in between the lines, it's like things I could do better. She's not blaming me or anything, but it's hard for me. My boys would never do that. Our friendship isn't contingent on those things. So that's what I would say.
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Like, I don't know if you relate to that, but.
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It turns out, as you were speaking, I was looking at the stats around fatherless homes, and it turns out that there has been a significant increase in the amount of young boys being raised without a father present. About 25% live without a biological step or adoptive father, according to the National Fatherhood Initiative.
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By 2050, about 40% of the population will be senior citizens and the labor force could have halved within the next 40 years. The Bank of Korea warns that if current trends persist, the Korean economy could begin contracting in 10 years' time. And this presents a national service risk as the country relies on its conscripted military.
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And this will fall by hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people by 2025. Though half, oh my gosh, could fall from 250,000 troops to... 125,000 troops. Politics is the last thing I wanted to talk about. And how this sort of intertwines with everything we've talked about today. Obviously, Trump is now in power.
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And as we saw in the data, and it was touched on earlier on, young men have become more right-leaning and more conservative than ever before. The left hasn't necessarily offered the best vision of masculinity to young men, as something Scott's talked about previously. I was wondering, I think this morning in the hotel, I was wondering, I was like, how are... How is the left going to get men back?
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Is that possible? Because the vision of masculinity, this is something Scott's talked about, that the left portrays is not, doesn't seem to be in line with all the things we've just described that we feel intuitively as men. The things we think are important, like economic viability, being strong, you know.
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The US has the world's highest rate of children living in a single-parent household, and 92% of the time that's with the mother alone. And in 1968, only 11% of children lived with only their mother, 21% in 2020. So that's doubled in the last 50-odd years, which is pretty staggering.
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Those are the people that whisper to me in the streets about these conversations. It's the 40 to 55-year-old mother who has a son, who doesn't feel like she can speak up, but says to me privately that she's worried about her kids. And actually, we had some mothers write in, all of which wanted to stay anonymous. saying this exact same thing. They've got an 18-year-old son. They're super concerned.
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They've got a 16-year-old son. The son looks lost. As the stats show from the report, they're not leaving home in the same way that women, their daughters leave home, but they don't know what to do about it. So for those parents that are listening now, we can't change society. What would you recommend a parent of a young boy does?
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And then obviously the consequence of that, as Scott described, is that individuals from father-absent homes were 300% more likely to carry drugs, to carry guns, to deal drugs, and there's this huge plethora of mental health consequences if you don't have a father in the home. I mean, what do we do about that? And where are the fathers? Where are they going?
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We actually have asked some of our audience to write in, and this guy, Jeffrey, wrote in and said, my entire life, I have never felt like I was good enough, like I could never earn my place in society.
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Yeah, I've never thought about that before, but it's so true that like, as a man, you should aspire to be considered generous, right? And actually the first time someone called me generous was like such an unbelievably wonderful compliment to me because it means that people see you as someone that's giving things.
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But to answer your question, for me, it was just a willingness to express my emotions when I'm struggling. That's always been a difficult thing for me, especially because of everything I've said earlier about wanting to be a strong, wanting to be a provider. There are gonna be moments where regardless of how well you play the game of life, you're gonna struggle. And I did not have the tools.
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I still really don't have great tools for this, but to turn to someone and say, I'm really struggling with this and not to feel emasculated. And I would say that because as a man... Pretty much the only person you have in your life typically that you can turn to is your romantic partner. That's also the last person you want to turn to and say you're struggling.
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Because again, for me, that felt like I was being emasculated. So I remember the day very vividly when I was like 30 years old, turning to my girlfriend and like running the experiment of letting her know that I was struggling with something. And how difficult that was. But the only reason I did it was because I almost felt like I had no fucking choice.
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I'd gotten to the point where I was like, I need to tell someone this. And she was the only person. And I still don't think I tell my guy friends. Everything. I would tell them some things, but I don't think I'd tell them everything.
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And when I look at the stats around mental health and depression, which are absolutely horrific, and some of these quotes that we had from some of the guys that wrote into the show, this guy Liam said, for me, the biggest challenge that young men face today is I feel like I'm striving for meaning, but I can't find it anywhere.
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I struggle to even sleep at night with some form of substance because my brain is constantly firing different scenarios at me that I'm failing in my life. When I am alone with my thoughts, it's like having a never-ending lesson about how useless I am and how I need to change everything in my life. And the hardest part is I can't even tell anybody this because I would feel weak.
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And then this guy, Jeffrey, wrote in and said, my entire life, I have never felt like I was good enough, like I could never earn my place in society. And even though I think I've achieved some things by the age of 18, I still feel like deep inside, I will never be enough, and I'm still not enough, and I can't tell anybody. And I think that's a problem that's quite unique to men.
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It might be a problem unique to my upbringing, but I just don't have the tools. So when I look at the stats around depression and men killing themselves, 75% of suicides in the UK are men and 75% of the worldwide are men. And suicide, as you said, I think earlier, is the leading cause of death amongst young men in 50 countries.
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Yeah, if you feel that meaningless and you feel that worthless and you don't have anyone to console about it to maybe tell you that you're wrong, you know,
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The first time I went to a therapist was when I was about 30.
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30 31 and i put it off for so fucking long for this reason because every part of it made me feel like emasculated and as a man you're like i know i can deal with everything myself and i've got this like like i said when the bus comes i put my hand in front of my girlfriend i'm always the protector so when you find yourself in a position like these men who've written into the show where you feel meaningless or you feel hopeless or there's some other challenge in your life
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You think it's your job to fix. Well, I thought it was like my job to fix. And also like maybe because I've been a CEO since the age of 18, I'm always like holding forth for everybody. So you learn to like keep a fucking straight face. The business is on fire.
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We have no money to pay 170 people's wages and it's Friday and they're expecting, like you learn this skill of like numbness and that doesn't serve you when you're trying to resolve something. And this is why I think porn, gambling addiction become the avenue because there's not,
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I agree. I agree. We'll talk about this off camera.
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Man. Man. Anything else you wanted to ask us? I know you've got to hear reviews. So if you've got any other questions you wanted to ask us.
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That energy that you felt at that moment, Did you channel it into something or were you tempted? Nausea.
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Do you go to therapy?
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Have you ever been?
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Because it goes back to everything we've said. If I said to my boys, boys, we're going to start reading fiction. My friends read stuff that's going to help them build a business, make money or gain muscle mass.
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Thank you both for so many reasons. Scott, you're actually writing a book at the moment, which is going to be published shortly. We've talked about it a few times. What is the title of that book and what is it about?
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When is it published? When is it going to be published?
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On the fall. Okay. And, Logan, you have an incredible book, which is, I mean, one of the, I think, the book on this subject matter called How to Not Die Alone, The Surprising Science That Will Help You Find Love. And what does someone discover in that book?
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I'm going to link all of Scott's books and all of Logan's book in the comments below for anybody to read. I also wanted to say a huge thank you to the Centre of Social Justice for making this report because it's, again, it's caused a huge conversation in the UK and now around the world around Lost Boys.
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We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the question I'm going to ask both of you is... Logan, what are you most scared of?
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Thank you. I don't know. Thank you. Thank you.
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Honestly, what I would do is... I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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I want to talk about that sort of early education experience and how it can be adapted, but also just like if the environment of the classroom is right for boys. As we were talking about the point about fathers and listeners as well, I found this graph, which is also pretty shocking. And it goes into something you said, Scott.
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It basically shows that the absence of a father on a boy causes depressive symptoms, but the absence of a father on a young girl doesn't cause the same depressive symptoms, which means that the absence of a father for a boy It drastically increases their chance of being depressed. Whereas if for a girl, it doesn't.
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Go on YouTube and look at a Tesla assembly line in the United States. I'll put it on the screen. It is... What you will see, it's amazing. It is a miracle of engineering. What you will see are armies and armies of robots and very few people. And if you compare that to the 1950s assembly line, what you see are biceps and backs and people hauling around material.
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So because we got so good at automation... Even if we bring manufacturing back to America and that we still do a lot of manufacturing in America, it doesn't require the amount of employment that it used to. It doesn't require the amount of manpower. And the people who do work on Tesla manufacturing lines, by and large, are working on computers overseeing the robots.
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I mean, here's one stat that I thought was always interesting to me. In 1950, there was a U.S. steel plant in Gary, Indiana. It produced 5 million tons of steel and had 30,000 workers. Today, it's still operating. It produces 8 million tons of steel and has 2,000 workers. So it's producing more steel today than it was in the 1950s. And it went from 30,000 workers to 2,000.
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Because what used to be done with biceps and backs and shoulders is now done with machines and robots. And it's no different than what happened in agriculture, where a farm 200 years ago was...
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rakes and shovels and today it's tractors and combines like that same thing happened to assembly so to wrap all that up like i understand and i empathize with people who say we need to bring back manufacturing to america we lost what we once had i get that and i respect it but i think the unique circumstances and automation makes it just extremely unlikely to ever happen
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Tim Cook of Apple gave a really interesting interview a couple weeks ago. And he said, you might think that we manufacture iPhones in China because it's cheap labor. And he said, that's not really true anymore. It used to be, but China is not the cheap labor country anymore. That's moved on to Bangladesh and Cambodia and other places. The reason they manufacture in China is expertise.
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And I think it's okay to admit and people should admit that your country and also your company and you individually can be very good at some things and not very good at others. China is just extremely good and extremely talented at particularly like low-end manufacturing. Low-end can be anything from inflatable swimming pools on up to like basic electronics. They're extremely good at it.
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I was talking to a CEO a couple of weeks ago and he said, and he's generalizing here, but he said, if you go to a Chinese factory and you say, I want this part made, and here's step one, step two, step three on how to make it, they will do it better than anybody in the world. Nobody can beat them at that.
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But if you go to that same factory and you say, please go design me a new part, they're not very good at it. Americans are way better at that. And that's why the back of your iPhone says designed in California, made in China. Like it's just specialization of labor. And I think America is the best in the world at a couple of things.
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entrepreneurship, technology, services, and like high-end manufacturing like planes and rockets. And we're not the best in the world at low-end manufacturing. And that's okay. That's not an insult. That's not a put-down. There's specialization of labor. And so I think China just got very good at one thing during a time when we've always been very, very good at different things.
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And I think that is why global – like why – for a lot of people, not for everybody. So if you disagree with this, I get it. By why the economic system works so damn well over the last 30 years is because we really got good at specialization of labor. You design the iPhone, you make the iPhone, we're both better off for it.
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I'll keep this very simple.
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I think when I watch that, I think I can understand why there'd be a natural reaction for people to be like, no, if they can do it, we can do it too. And again, I don't think it's an insult when to say like countries are like, we're really good at some things and less good at others. How could that not be true?
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I mean, so much of it is, you know, if you asked Americans to work for those wages, they would absolutely refuse to do it just because of the expectations we have. And that's a good thing. We should be proud of that, that we have a standard of living, which does not allow or people would not put up with earning... $5 a day or whatever it would be.
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Right, right. And, you know, this is where I understand why people might raise an eyebrow at this, but so much of why, of what the modern system, how it's supposed to work is when you have that specialization, products become cheaper.
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And then the iPhone costs $1,000, when in any other world, it would cost $4,000 if we're building it in the United States at paying wages that people would put up with in the United States.
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It's so unpredictable because, as I said earlier, it can literally change an hour from now. So anyone giving firm predictions of, oh, here's what's going to happen next, that's not how any of this works. But you can say, though, that if the tariffs last, one of two things will happen, or both these two things will happen.
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Things that we import will get much more expensive, or what's more likely in places like China, if it's 145%, as well as the trade just stops. And then you're probably a matter of weeks away from empty shelves for certain products in certain cases.
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I mean, if you're buying a pair of slippers from China for $1, and now all of a sudden they're $2.45, if you're an importer, for a lot of the situations, they'll say, like, it's just not going to work. Or if the iPhone that used to cost $1,000 is now going to cost $2,500, Apple might just say, there's not really a market for that. We can't really sell those.
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Let's just pause and wait for things to happen. We're already seeing that. I'm sure this news will change by the time this airs. This is moving so quickly. But our shipping container imports from China have plunged in recent weeks, which is exactly what you would expect when you put that high of a tax on it.
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I mean, if you were buying a house for a million dollars, and all of a sudden they put on 145% tax on that, you're probably not going to buy the house. And that's what's happening now.
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The two likely outcomes, if it persists, are much higher prices and empty shelves. And I don't think anyone knows when or to the extent that could happen. And the button on the desk that says end this all could be pressed before that happens. But if it persists, that's what's likely to occur.
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Yeah, it's huge. Can you explain that to me?
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trust is hard because you don't know how valuable it is until you lose it but once you lose it you're like oh that was everything and you know foreign investors people who don't live in the united states have 30 trillion dollars invested in america that's just in stocks and bonds that's not housing or office buildings just in stocks and bonds 30 trillion dollars that they've invested and a lot of the reason they do that well there's many reasons
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One of which is because it's by and large seen as a trustworthy economy, a stable economy, an economy of rules and predictable laws and trust that you could not say the same about Russia. And so when global investors are looking where to park their money, this has been the case for the last 80 years. America is usually at the top of that list.
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There's also a thing where a lot of the reason that they invest money in the United States is because they have to, because they have a trade deficit with us. So if China is selling us a lot more stuff than they're buying from us, like we're importing a lot more from China than we're exporting back to them, they're going to end up with a lot of US dollars.
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And they need to do something with those dollars. They have to invest them somewhere. And historically, that's been in treasury bonds, which lowered our interest rates. And that was good for everybody.
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It's debt that the government issues from the federal government. So it's a bond. You're loaning money to the government. And they're promising to repay you plus interest.
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Less trust and also less need to do it because they don't have as many dollars that they need to invest.
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It's interesting when people point like the odds of recession at 45% because they can't be wrong. Like if there isn't a recession, they'd be like, yeah, we said it was 45%. We didn't say it was going to happen. So my answer if you said are we heading for a recession would always be yes. If you asked me a year ago, if you asked me five years ago, like historically there's a recession.
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In modern times, it's been every four to five years that it's occurred. And so we shouldn't pretend that when they happen, that they're this crazy out of the blue thing. It's an inevitable feature that you're always going to have recessions. But is this going to cause it?
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A recession technically is when GDP in the economy, GDP is just like economic output, how much the economy is moving. when that declines for two quarters in a row. That's the technical definition. For most people, you don't need to worry about technical definitions because a recession in your mind is when you are feeling worse off economically for a long period of time.
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When you feel like you can't get a job or your neighbors, your roommates can't get jobs and it's starting to hurt on you. It's kind of like, what's the definition of being sick? Well, it's when you don't feel good, but you can get more technical than that. But a recession for most people is when you don't feel good economically.
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So it's not that I'm not concerned, but it would be like saying, if you live in Florida, are you concerned about hurricanes? The answer is yes, you should be concerned about hurricanes. But you also know with 100% certainty that they're going to come. If you choose to live in Florida and you live in Florida for 40 years, you know you're going to get hit by one, 100% chance.
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And so it's not that I don't worry about it. It's that I think it is inevitable, always, no matter what's going on. This has nothing to do with tariffs. That's always been the case. And so this is where... At the individual level, personally, like room for error in your finances is so critical. What I mean by that is just like savings, cushion, being scared of debt.
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When you're gainfully employed and you have a good paycheck and the stock market's going up and Bitcoin's going up, everyone feels great. You feel amazing. And it's very rare in that situation that you want to envision yourself losing your job. or losing a job and not being able to find another one for six months, or needing to move, or getting divorced, or having a medical.
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And for a lot of people, they'll experience all of those. And so the idea that life is fragile and the economy is fragile, countries are fragile, is like people don't necessarily want to admit that because it's hard to get out of bed in the morning if you admit that to yourself. But I think it's inevitable. And it doesn't have to be necessarily scary if you have the right –
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Thank you, Steve. It's so good to be back. I think what I like about what you just said, and thank you for that, is that you said the book changed how you think. And that's important because the book does not tell you what to do. Nowhere in the book do I say, this is how you should invest your money. This is how you should spend your money. Because you're different from me and everyone else.
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psychology around it of just yeah like when times are good i don't expect them to last forever that's not how the world works and the right finances around it of like yeah when times are good i'm gonna save because i know this might not last forever and what i value more than anything with money is independence it's not flashy cars or homes i want to be independent
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So that when the economy goes south and there is a recession and things are going bad, I want to have a level of control over where I work, where I live, what I'm able to do, my ability to support my family. That's the top of the list. And so when things are going well, and for a lot of people, they haven't for the last couple of years, but for a lot of people, they did.
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I think that's always important. I think it's a major psychological skill in life in general. This goes beyond money. is recognizing when things are abnormally good and preparing yourself for them to go the other way as they inevitably will.
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Yeah.
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This sounds like such a squishy BS kind of answer, but I think there's a lot of truth to this, and I'll explain in a second. It is largely a mindset. And that sounds crazy, but I'll explain what I mean. My grandmother-in-law, she passed away a couple years ago. She was 92 when she passed away. She, for 30 years, she lived off of nothing but Social Security.
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I think she got $1,700 a month from Social Security. She had nothing else. No savings, no pension, no nothing. She was the happiest person. I've met half a dozen billionaires in my life. I'm sure you have as well. None of them were as happy as she was. And she was technically, she was like financially broke, but she had this level of psychological wealth that was like unparalleled.
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And the reason was off $1,700 a month, that was all she needed. She was perfectly happy toiling in her garden, watching birds, going for walks, hanging out, reading from books from the library, perfectly content with all of that. She didn't need anything else. So she had very little money, but she wanted even less. And so she had a level of independence that a lot of billionaires do not.
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We're all different. I've always just been interested in how people think. Like what's going through your head when you're making investing decisions? And if you can understand greed, fear, risk, envy, jealousy, those topics, that is way more important than anything they will teach you in a PhD finance course at Harvard.
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Because if you are a billionaire, if you have a billion dollars in the bank, but you are so encumbered by your business, your employees, your suppliers, your customers, you're waking up at three in the morning sweating because you got this email and you're stressed out about it, you actually have very little independence in that situation. Your shareholders or regulators are coming down on you.
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I mean, we see this. There's no one in particular here, but we've seen very wealthy people kind of become sycophants to politicians. And the truth is a lot of those mega billionaires absolutely rely on politicians and regulators to keep their machine moving. And so my grandmother-in-law on $1,700 a month had a higher level of independence than a lot of those people do.
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And that's why I say like a lot of this is a mindset because the truth is the vast majority of people listening to this could have a level of independence. It's not that you can retire tomorrow, but you can have a level of financial independence once you realize that the key is managing your expectations. More than it is how can I just pile up as much money as I possibly can.
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It has the potential to be the biggest economic story of our lives. People are losing a lot of money on tariffs, and you're probably a matter of weeks away from empty shelves. And there's a button on the president's desk that says, end it right now.
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It's easy to think, like, how do you become financially independent? Like, save a ton of money. And there's truth to that. Of course, that's part of it. But more of it is just in, like, what kind of life do you want to live? Because if your expectations are growing faster than your net worth, it's never going to feel like it. You'll never be independent. Never.
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You have $100 billion, but if you want more and more and more, it's never gonna feel like it's enough. Or if you enjoy birdwatching and reading books like my grandmother-in-law, 7,800 bucks a month, you're all set. You're set for 30 years.
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You're rich.
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She was psychologically rich, even if she was financially poor. And I think that's the biggest thing about it. Adam Smith, who was the greatest economist to ever live, this was 300 years ago, he once wrote about this. He was like, why do people work so hard? And he was just like, that's a simple question, but why do people work so damn hard?
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And he's like, it can't just be for our sustenance because even poor people, as he was writing about it, had homes and adequate food most of the time. He's like, there has to be something else. And what that something else was, he wrote, was to be seen by other people. And it was attention and admiration.
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They wanted to be getting rich so that they could have a bigger house and a nice car, not in his day, but they wanted attention from other people. But he was like, it's not that you needed the money. Because even in his day, 300 years ago, in Scotland, I think he was, he was like, look, people have homes and food. Like, what are they doing this for? And he was not criticizing them.
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Like, his whole point was like, they're going out and innovating. They're going to have great technology. And it's great to go do that. But the reason to do it was not because they had to stop. Now, of course, most people to get shelter and food do have to keep working. But they're working more than they absolutely need to because they want something else besides independence.
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Not that the technical stuff doesn't matter, but the psychological stuff with money is everything. I mean, so many money problems in the real world have to do with impatience, envy, greed, That's it. It's not that people don't know the formulas, don't know the data, don't know how to calculate compound interest by hand. None of that matters. It's envy. It's impatience.
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What a lot of them do too is when they have all the money in the world, what they want is immortality. And you see these guys trying to live forever.
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Yeah. Harvey Firestone, who was a tire magnet 100 years ago, Firestone tires during the explosion of cars 100 years ago, he wrote about this in his biography. He was like, every rich person he knows, once they get money, buys a house that is way too big than they need. Not only bigger than they need, bigger than they want. Because a giant house is just a huge pain in the ass.
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The roof is leaking and like everything's breaking down. It's a huge pain to manage. So he wrote in his biography, he was like, why do we do this? And he was like, he did it too. He was like, I bought a house that is way bigger than I want. And it's a pain, it's a burden, but we all do it. And he's like, why? And he's like, it has to be status. There's no utility to a 40-bedroom house. Zero.
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There's a lot of downside in upkeep. But he was like, every one of us does it. And he said even Henry Ford, who was like the cheapest SOB out there, lived in a giant mansion in Detroit. He was like, it's so natural. And he was like, it's just because we want to show other people. It's not utility. It's not making our lives better. It's actually making our life worse.
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But we have this evolutionary desire. to show people that we've made it. That's the calling card.
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I think it's true that virtually everyone who I really admire in life, by and large, they're not hugely successful people that you've heard of. They're just people who I've met and they're ordinary people with ordinary jobs. And I'm like, man, you seem like you've got it all figured out. They took themselves out of the system that they were supposed to be in.
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And they're like, I'm gonna go figure out my own way. And there's a really interesting story, a guy named Chuck Feeney. He started a company called DFS, the duty-free stores in airports. He made, I think, at the peak of his wealth, he was worth about $9 billion. And this was like in the 90s when that was a lot of money. It still is a lot of money.
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But the well-known part of Chuck Feeney is that despite that wealth, he lived like an ordinary person. He lived in like a one-bedroom apartment. He flew coach. He drove like a normal car, lived like a normal guy. And some people criticize that from that. He gave all of his money to charity. He gave $9 billion away, lived like a monk himself.
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The less known part of Chuck Feeney that I think is more important is that when he first got wealth, became wealthy in the 1980s, he lived the life of a billionaire. He had a fleet of private jets. He had mansions all over the world. He had a yacht. And after doing it for a couple of years, he was like, I don't like any of this. He's like, I like being an ordinary, simple person.
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And so I'm going to go live an ordinary life. I don't care what the world – the world tells me this is what I should want now that I have money. But he's like, but I don't. I want simplicity. And what I like about that is not that he chose to live like a monk because I personally wouldn't want to do that if I had that – I would have a jet if I had that kind of money.
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So it's not to say that he did it right. But what I like that he did is that he said, I don't care what the world tells me to like. I'm going to do it on my own terms. And that's true independence. That's true status. That's true status too. He's like, I don't care. That's the ultimate definition of F you money. Of like so much money that like, I don't care.
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You tell me I'm supposed to live in a mansion in Beverly Hills, but I like my one bedroom apartment in San Francisco. I like my buddies over here. Another person who's done that to a very real extent is Warren Buffett. Lives in the same house today that he bought when he was 27 or whatever it was.
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And so that, as a writer, that's what I was always interested in. I'm tired of people giving advice and saying, these are the stocks you should buy. And here's what the economy is going to do next quarter. No one was any good at it. But I was always just fascinated in what's going on in people's heads. And you asked why is that important right now. Well, I think it's always important.
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Right. And, of course, he could live anywhere. He could buy anything. But he likes being with his friends, doing it on, you know, likes playing bridge with his buddies.
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That is very difficult. You know, there's a thing where, I forget who said this, but like they're responding to the quote, money doesn't buy happiness. And they're like, okay, but let me go figure that out for myself first.
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Like if you don't have a lot of money and you see rich people tripping over themselves and people like Will Smith saying like, I was no happier at all when I was rich than when I was poor. Actually, I was happier when I was poor. Yeah. If you are poor when you hear that, you're like, bullshit. I don't believe it. I have to go figure it out for myself.
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I think a lot of lessons in life you have to learn firsthand.
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Right. Now, let's say that there's a big difference between not being able to buy food for your kids and making 200 grand per year. And the difference between 10 grand a year and 200 grand a year is massive. Takes away so many stresses, so many worries about being evicted and whatnot. But the difference between 200 grand and 500 grand is not that much.
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And the difference between 500 grand and 20 million is not that much. And the difference between 20 million and 20 billion is zero. I think that's a lot of what it comes down to. And even I think there is such thing as like a peak net worth that you would want in life, after which all the money that you accrue becomes like a social liability.
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I mean, who has more social liability or pressure than the mega rich? Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos. There's a huge amount of pressure. You better donate this money and you better do a good job doing it kind of thing.
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And I think that number of like, and at a much lower realistic level for people, it's when your friends learn you make a lot of money and we go out for dinner and they're like, you're paying, right? And that's a small thing, but it can really grate on people that like, oh, it's going to change how people think about me. Now, that's a good problem to have, of course, but it's a thing.
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Like those topics of – the subtitle is timeless lessons because I think a lot of these things were as true 1,000 years ago as they will be 1,000 years from now. Like greed and envy and impatience is just ingrained in how people think. It always has been. And so you see what's going on right now with – tariffs in the economy, stock market's gone up a lot, Bitcoin's gone up a lot.
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And I think the idea of there is a maximum amount of like there is a net worth level at which your happiness is going to be maximized. And it's probably lower than you think.
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I don't think anyone really does because I've done this in my own life. I'm sure you have too. When I was 19, I was like, oh, if my net worth was this amount, I'll be happy forever. And then I was fortunate enough to hit that amount. And I'm like, okay, but what if we got over here? And you just keep going up the ladder forever.
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I have a friend, Ben Carlson, who's a great financial writer. He came up, this is very subjective, there's no science behind this, but he was like, a net worth of seven to $10 million is you can live an amazing life in the United States, have an amazing house paid for, send your kids to great schools, go on great vacations, drive brand new cars. on seven to $10 million. And he brought that up.
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It is largely a mindset. You have an obligation to understand how money works and how to manage it. And it's one of many topics in which you're going to learn the best by experiencing the downside. It'll come back to that.
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Some people might wince at this, but he brought that up of, it's a lot less than people would think, because there'd be a lot of people who would be like, oh, I'm gunning for a hundred million. Even if that's just a fantasy, it's a dream. And seven to $9 million is out of reach for a lot of people, no matter how hard they're working.
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But I think particularly for young people who their definition, I think about my son a lot. He watches Mr. Beast. Mr. Beast is an amazing guy. I think he's one of the great guys. But because of Mr. Beast, like my son's definition of wealth is a private island, a private jet, you know, keep your hand on the table and win a million dollars kind of thing. It's a different level.
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Whereas when I was growing up, Like, ordinary people drove dirty pickup trucks, and rich people drove clean pickup trucks. That was the stratification of what I saw growing up. And I think because of social media and other things, kids have a very different view on what financial wealth actually is these days.
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This is less advice going forward more than just like something to remember next time, which is that if you are worrying about, if you're worried about being laid off, if you're a small business owner worried about going under, the need for room for error and cushion and savings and backup plans were just as important a month ago as they are today.
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You're just learning how important they are today. And I challenge you to remember that in the future when this is all over, whenever it's all over, that when the economy is going well and you feel stable in your job, stable in your career, that is when you also you absolutely need backup plans and room for error and savings and eschewing debt and whatnot.
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I have a very high level of cash as a percentage of my net worth. And a lot of financial advisors would look at that and say, like, what are you saving for? Like, what's going on here? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm saving for a world that I know is very fragile. And I have no idea what's going to happen to me personally or what's going to happen to the economy.
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But if you're a lay student of history, you know that things break all the time. And so my advice to you, if you're realizing that for the first time, that how fragile the world can be and how the job security that you thought you had might not have been as strong, remember this next time, how important room for error and backup plans are.
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It's so hard for that because everyone's in a... I'm sure people watching this will be in a massive range of incomes. I would say this is a bad answer that no one's gonna like, but pretty much as much as you can. I mean, I'll give you one example of this. When COVID first hit in March of 2020, the average restaurant I heard had enough cash on hand to last them for 14 days.
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So these points have always been true, but a lot of them are magnified right now. A lot of people have made a lot of money on Bitcoin. A lot of people are losing a lot of money on tariffs. So greed, fear, envy, it all kind of just collides. It is right now.
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And then all of a sudden they were looking at a six month lockdown. And so I think one answer to that question is however much you think you'll need, it's probably more. The other more practical example of this is in 2008 during the financial crisis. A lot of people were losing their jobs not for two weeks or one month, but they were losing their jobs for 12 months.
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And they got unemployment benefits, but it wasn't enough. And so is it practical to say, like, you should have 12 months of savings? It's probably not practical for a lot of people. But the answer is as much as you can while realizing that the world is more fragile than you probably think it is.
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I'm not even remotely an expert in AI, but as someone who's looked at the history of technology, one thing that sticks out clear as day when you study technology, in hindsight, when you're looking at a new technology that you know went on to change the world, the computer, the car, the airplane, those things, when you know this was a turning point in civilization, if you go back and look at what the optimists were saying at the time, they massively underestimated it.
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And that's what the optimists were saying. Forget the pessimists on it. So go back to the 1920s and see what were the optimists saying about the airplane? They were underestimating it by a hundredfold. What did the optimists say about the car? They underestimated it by a hundredfold. Computers, same. And the Wright brothers themselves came up with the first airplane in the United States.
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The Wright brothers themselves only marketed their plane, primarily marketed their plane to the U.S. Army. Because they did not really foresee much use for an airplane outside of the military. They knew you could strap a machine gun on it and the army might like that. But did the Wright brothers foresee Delta Airlines and Emirates and A380? Like not in a million years. And so...
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I think it's true that in a lot of things in life, I think it was Peter Thiel who said this. He was like, when things are going wrong, you underestimate how bad they're going to get. But when things are going right, you underestimate how big it's going to be. I may have butchered that quote, but it's something like that. And it's clear that AI is right.
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And so it's almost certainly the case that even the optimists, even the Sam Altman optimists are underestimating where it will go. And a lot of the reason for that is because new technologies is not what the inventor, whoever that might be, built. It's what other people go on to manipulate it as. And that's why the Wright Brothers came up with Blaine and now we have the A380.
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Like it's other people manipulating things along the way to create something just gigantic.
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Not even the long term, but in the short term. I'll give you one example. You talked about coding there. We're doing a little remodel on our house right now. And one of the things you can do is take a real picture of a room, upload it in. We use ChatGPT for this and said, hey, paint it this color, remove this wall, put this in. It is better than any designer will be able to do it.
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And it's right there, boom, in front of you. Seconds. And you can multiply that story by 10,000 different versions of that story for 10,000 different jobs. I'd see it as a writer where I don't use it to write. I write all my own words.
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But one thing that I've played around with, I don't really use this as that much of a tool, but just more of an experiment of like, I'll upload a chapter from a book that I wrote and say, hey, give me some feedback on this. And It wasn't that good a year ago. It's pretty good today. It's pretty good. So if you're looking for a writing assistant, it's amazing.
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It has the potential to be the biggest economic story of our lives. It doesn't have to be. One thing that's very interesting about the tariff story is that if you compare it to 9-11 or COVID or 2008, the banking crisis, the tariff... issue that we're going through right now can be ended in one minute. There's a button on the president's desk that says, end it right now.
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Now, the downside of that is everyone knows the high schoolers and the college students who use it to write the essay, just write the whole thing. That's probably not great. But if you're using it as a helper, it's probably the best writing teacher that's out there. So right there in my just tiny little world, I really don't know anything about AI, but
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interior designer, editor, going down the list of jobs that like literally three months ago, I would have been like, oh, that's a very valuable job. And all of a sudden you look at this tool for a dollar a day, as you said, you're like, it's pretty good.
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I guess one good analogy from my hearing, and it's probably not as powerful as what we're dealing with right now, but the closest is probably, you know, it wasn't that long ago, the late 1800s, that 80% of Americans were farmers. That's what it was. And then the industrial revolution and the tractor and the combine came along.
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And all of a sudden, it was like, we don't need that many farmers doing this. What people used to do with shovels and rakes can now be done with a tractor. And a lot of those people found themselves out of work. And for them, it was very disruptive, but they also, the farmer, the farm laborer found himself pretty easy to go into the factory.
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because they were working on, they were good at working with their hands and whatnot. And so to go from that into the factory was not an easy transition, but it was a transition they could make. Now, do you have that? That same transition did not take place from manufacturing to technology. The auto worker in Detroit could not just learn to code and work at Google like that.
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And so it was much less seamless. And I think what we're dealing with now will be even more of a disruption that the people who are being disrupted out of AI are going to have a much more difficult time historically. to move in to where the economy is going next.
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So the idea that an industry is disrupted and you need to go figure out something else to do, I think it's gotten progressively harder over the last 150 years.
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The biggest profession, truck drivers, drivers in general.
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And even if that did happen, there would still be some lingering damage in terms of trust and reputation. But there was no button on the president's desk for COVID that said, end this all right now. It didn't exist. And 9-11 and Lehman Brothers in 2008, once those risks hit, we just had to deal with them through their finish. This is different because it can and is changing by the day.
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No, it's crazy. And back to the analogy, like when the farmer had to go work in the factory, it was a transition. He may have had to move, but he did it. And that's why we went from 80% of the population were farmers to 2%, which is what it is today. But they were able to move in. The manufacturer to technology struggled.
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And I think it's going to be now like the truck driver, to tell the truck driver, well, just go get a job at OpenAI kind of thing. It's funny to even think about because it's preposterous.
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They're probably going to four employees.
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Synthetic data. Yeah. Right. Kind of going from there. Now, I think if there's an optimistic side, it was the case that when farming was being disrupted, there were a lot of people who just said, these people are never going to find jobs.
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If you put the farmer out of business, it sounds comical today, but there was a big push when the car came about to be like, no, what are all the horses going to do? Like have some dignity for the horse and the people who are raising horses and whatnot. So it's always been the case that you cannot foresee what's going to happen next.
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And the optimistic side of capitalism is as messy and as hard and as much personal damage as you can cause to families along the way. Those people will eventually figure out something to do. And when people say that, it sounds so callous and coarse. And that's why you have so much –
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Learn how to communicate. Learn how to get along with people you disagree with. I think that's a very underlooked skill in life is particularly in a social media driven world where people have very different views on fundamental topics. Learn how to get along with people who you disagree with. Learn how to communicate. those would be the top two. Those are extremely high level.
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Like I'm not saying go learn calculus four kind of thing or go learn engineering, but those are timeless skills. And I think those two skills can get you pretty far in life. And I look back at myself. I don't know if you had a similar example of this, but I was not a good student. My ability to do math is not any good. My ability, my grades in science were not any good whatsoever.
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I think if there are two skills that I was, that I didn't even know it at the time. I was not really like conscious that I was doing this, but learn how to communicate and don't be a jerk.
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Like just learn, because that for me as a writer, that was like learn how to communicate as writing and in the writing business, learn how to get along with people so you can move ahead, move your career, like be nice to this person so you can move on up. I think you see that a lot. What about in terms of money, making money?
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It's hard for a parent. I'm not filthy rich by any means, but I've sold a couple of books. And it's hard as a parent to be like, I want to use money to give you a good life, but I don't want to spoil you. The last thing I want is for you to be a spoiled little brat. And it's very difficult for a lot of parents to do that.
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So when people have a take on what's going on right now, that take might be stale an hour from now. But it's absolutely true that the global economy, to an extent that I think people don't appreciate enough, is a very complicated, intricate machine. And most economic problems come when people like try to fiddle with that machine a little bit.
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And so one of the things that I want him to learn about money and I want him to learn it in a very stark way is like learn the scarcity and the value of $1. And I think the only way to do that is to experience it firsthand. So when he was born nine years ago, I wrote him a little letter and I published this on a blog. And one of the things I said was, I hope you're poor one day.
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And I said, not struggling, not broke, but I hope the only way to understand the value of a dollar is to experience the power of its scarcity. And I hope there's a period when my wife and I are able to say, like, look, you're never going to fall flat on your face. You're not going to be homeless. You're always going to have good health care.
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But I hope you're able to experience the scarcity of a dollar so you value it. I did. My parents taught me that in a way that they didn't need to, but they let me be poor for a while. And most people will experience it because they have that. That's the situation they're in. So that's one thing I think about. And I think actually quite a few families deal with that is like,
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How can you help your kids? And it goes beyond money. This is, you know, so many, the helicopter parent era is I want to protect you from downside at all costs, emotional downside. And I think money is one of many topics in which you're going to learn the best by experiencing the downside.
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They're like, oh, let's turn this dial by one degree and see what happens. And then like, oh, it blows up. Oh, I shouldn't have done that. Tariffs is like, let's hit it with a baseball bat a couple times. Let's hit it with like a crowbar and see what happens. Like the global economy is so interconnected.
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than young women and i think it was like one in seven men are out of work yeah so it's a different world for a man but but we still have the sort of prehistoric caveman mindset of being a protector and a provider yes the world has changed yeah i think scott galloway recently said that like a really aspirational definition of manhood is is wanting to procreate provide and protect you want to have kids and you desperately want to provide for your family and protect your family
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And I do think that there are, yeah, there's men all over the world to a higher degree than there's ever been that feel like those three things are out of reach for them.
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Daniel Kahneman, a great psychologist, passed away last year. He had a saying. He was like, when all of your options are bad, you become very risk-taking because you have nothing to lose kind of thing. So whenever you see people participating in get-rich-quick schemes, you know it's because they feel like all their options are bad.
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If you knew, if you believed that if you could go to college and learn, or not go to college, but if you can go learn a skill, and go work hard and earn a stable paycheck to provide for your family, 99 out of 100 men are going to say, that's the one I want.
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But if you believe, whether it's true or not, if you believe that that option is not available to you, you're like, let's throw it all on this new coin kind of thing.
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and so i think that's you you see that quite a bit there's a lot of things in life where you see people making bad decisions or what you think are bad decisions and it's easy to mock them or look down upon or just say they're idiots but like deep down there's always a reason that is kind of is there's there's a deeper reason why they're doing it and for a lot of these things with financial risk taking it's it's like a lack of not not necessarily a lack of self-esteem but a lack of self-confidence in their ability to earn a good dignified stable wage to provide for their family
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And if you go to your local grocery store, Target, Walmart, whatever it might be, and go around and look at where that stuff was made. I mean, and it's all over the world. It's everywhere. And once you shut that down and put barriers on that, it can become a big problem very quickly.
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Yeah. With men, what a lot of it is, is the inability to say that's enough, particularly with the risks that they're taking. So you see this with a lot of hedge funds. Hedge funds are just giant investing pools of money of like rich people on Wall Street managing money. They have quite a long history, not lots of them, but quite a long history of them blowing up.
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And it's because this very smart, genius, billionaire Wall Street trader who has a PhD from MIT could not say that was enough. They kept taking more risk, more risk, more risk until it blew up. And we definitely see with women managing money that they tend to not earn as high returns on any given year, but they don't blow themselves up, so to speak, financially.
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So men are much more willing to swing for the fences. And women are much more willing to say, I'd like to just take a calm, casual swing, but I want to keep it going for a long period of time. Now, who's going to do better over the course of a lifetime in that situation?
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Jesse Livermore was a trader, a Wall Street stock trader, about 100 years ago. Did most of his work in the early 1900s through about the 1920s. And he was the best in the world at getting rich. And he had no ability whatsoever to stay rich. I think he became the equivalent of a billionaire, adjusted for inflation, four separate times and went bankrupt four separate times.
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So most people view saving money as it's just wasted sitting there, but you need the cushion so that when the economy goes south and there is a recession, I want to have a level of control over my ability to support my family.
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He eventually, at his end, committed suicide when he went broke for, I think, the fifth time. And in between there, he would become literally the richest man in the world at one point. But he had no ability to say, that's enough. So when he was the richest man in the world, he just kept taking more risk, more risk, more risk, and then it blew up.
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And he did it over and over and over and over again until he eventually killed himself. It's an amazing story because punctuated through his story of failure and bankruptcy and eventual suicide is a level of success that Steve Jobs could not even fathom. No one in history, I think, was better at getting rich than he was. And he could not keep it. And
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For most people, like a much better situation, of course, is like you don't need to become the richest person in the world. You can just make a modest amount of money that's going to support you and your family, but keep it. Don't keep taking more risks that's eventually going to blow it up. Just keep it and it's okay.
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I don't own any, so maybe that's the summary of how I feel about it. But I also think the only take that I've had on it is like, if you don't think that some of it is inspiring, then you're not paying attention. But if you don't think that 99% of it is a joke, then you're not paying attention. And I say that because most people are one or the other.
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One thing I've noticed in the last couple of weeks that I think is very interesting are the number of educated and smart friends that I have who send me a text or a call or an email and say, hey, Can you explain what a tariff is? I see this word, but I don't really know what it is.
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They either think the whole thing is a scam and they don't understand any of it. It's a bubble. It's going to burst. Or it's literally the greatest invention of human history. And I think whenever there's a new technology, you're likely to get like those extreme, one of those camps.
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But also in the history of technology, what you would see is that 99% of the new players, the new companies, the new products won't exist in 10 years. And a couple of them will turn into Ford or Microsoft or whatever it might be. That's always been the case. So you can't envision a world in 20 years in which crypto is not having a big part of the global economy.
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And I also think you cannot envision a world in which in 20 years, 99% of what exists today doesn't exist anymore.
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It's not contradictory in history to say that this new technology will change the world forever. And at the same time, you're probably not going to make that much money on it. The best example of that were the railroads, which was probably the most transformational new industry in U.S. history.
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Like to have a railroad going from the East Coast to the West Coast, that changed everything in such a profound way. And the vast majority of railroad investors lost all their money. So you could get it right. This is going to change the world forever. It does not mean that you're going to make that much money on it. And that's not to say that most crypto investors –
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No, actually, I would say it's almost certain that most crypto investors will not make that much money. That's pretty standard historical. The other thing is in cars, in the early 1900s, there were 2,000 car companies in America. And 1,997 of them went bankrupt. You ended up with GM, Ford, and Chrysler. The rest virtually disappeared.
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So it's always the case that in a new technology that changes in the world, there's a big gap between this is going to change the world and everyone's going to get rich on this.
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Or in theory in the future. I've talked to people about this, that like you can't believe in crypto and quantum at the same time. People who are much smarter than me say that's not the case, that you can augment the system. I don't really understand it. But people who are much smarter than me say they're not worried about it.
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And I think that's important because I don't think the average person understands what can happen to the economy if this persists for a long period of time.
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Yes. But that's – I mean of course that could be the case. I mean gold, which has been a store of value for thousands of years, has gone through periods where it surged and then fell 90% and sat there for 20 years kind of thing.
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So even when you have something that is a historic like very objective store of value, that doesn't mean that you know what the price is going to do next month or next year or even the next 10 years. That's a totally different thing.
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I think if there's one big one that is applicable to ordinary people, you know, you can come up with like different marketing things, but like, that's not gonna apply to me or you. One thing that sticks out, that is a common denominator that virtually everyone listening to this could learn from is they were way more patient and had way more endurance and kept it going for longer than anyone else.
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David Senra, who's a great podcaster, right? So he has a podcast called Founders. He said this one time, he was like, he hears from entrepreneurs, who are like, man, I listened to your podcast. I'm a founder. I have a company and I'm going to sell my company next year. I'm going to do it. I'm going to sell it to Google.
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And David's like, did you learn anything from the historical entrepreneurs of Rockefeller or Steve Jobs or Bill Gates? Those people ran their companies for 50 years. They ran their companies until they died kind of thing. These are not people who are looking to be like, I'm going to create a company and then sell it. I'm going to start another company and sell it.
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They keep it going for as long as they possibly can. The big wealth usually does not come. It almost never comes from like a great idea that there's surges out of the middle of nowhere. it's usually like a pretty good idea that you can keep going for 40 years or 50 years. That's where the big money comes from.
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I wrote this in the book, 99.9% of Warren Buffett's net worth was accumulated after his 60th birthday. So when Warren Buffett was 60, he was worth $2 billion, an incredible amount of money. He could have sold then, and he sold everything and retired and had an absolutely amazing life. The reason that he has accumulated, if you count the money he's given away, $250 billion-
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It's because he kept it going. So now he's 93 years old and he's still going. Bill Gates could have sold Microsoft in the 1970s and made $10 million and had a great little life. But he kept it going and kept it going. Yahoo offered Mark Zuckerberg a billion dollars cash. And he was like 19 at the time. And he said, no, I'm going to keep doing this thing.
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That's the common denominator that ordinary people can learn from is like endurance and longevity is usually where the big wealth is made.
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Yeah. Larry Ellison, who is the founder of Oracle, did an interview in the 1990s. And they asked him about Bill Gates, who was a friend but also rival back then. And Larry Ellison was like, the secret to Bill Gates, yes, he's very smart, but there's a lot of smart people out there. And he was like, no offense, but there's a lot of people smarter than Bill Gates out there.
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but nobody has more endurance than Bill Gates. He will outwork you every single time. You cannot, he'll keep it going for as long as he needs to keep it going to beat you. And that's his skill. It's not intelligence, it's endurance.
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I think it's two things. It's one, in any endeavor that's going to pay off, it's going to be difficult. There's going to be more roadblocks and speed bumps and collapses than you want. It's absolutely inevitable. The unofficial model at NVIDIA, the giant chip companies, one of the most valuable companies in the world, is we are always 30 days from going out of business. Now, they're not.
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It's one of the most successful companies in the world. But they understand what is true for every business, which is that business is hard. Like every business is a knife fight. Every company that you own or start is going to be very difficult. And you need the perseverance to get through that. That's one element. The other is compound interest. That's what builds wealth.
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What compound interest is and why it is so powerful, like the people who get rich from it are not the people who earn very high returns. It's people who earn good returns for a long period of time. Like all compound interest is, it's returns to the power of time. And if you remember like eighth grade math, that exponent, like time, that's doing all the heavy lifting in there.
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And so in investing, if you can be good, merely good, Or if you can just be average for an above average period of time, you do phenomenal. And this is where, this is like the most misunderstood thing about investing. Most investors are like, how do I earn the highest returns? I want to make the best investments, highest returns. And you can do well doing that.
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You're much more likely to do well if you're like, hey, I just want average returns, but I want to be so durable and have so much endurance that I can earn average returns for 40 years. And if I can be average for 40 years, I'm going to end up in the top 1%.
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if left to its own devices for a long enough period of time what is the like simple way to show them the power of it so take index funds which are just a very simple collection of businesses at a very low fee you can buy one stock but it's a collection of hundreds and hundreds of different businesses you own apple and amazon and coca-cola you own all the companies in the world
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And so it's the most boring, bland, average way to invest. If you invest in that in a very simple way and you do that consistently for 20 or 30 years with no skill, with no expertise, where you're not getting stock tips from anyone, it's the most boring way to invest. If you do it consistently for 30 years, you will almost certainly end up in the top 1% of investors.
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First, I would say is tariffs have been used for hundreds of years. And there is, there can be a very good, useful purpose for them in the economy. I think as they're structured right now in the United States, it's a huge mistake. It has a potential to be a catastrophe. But they can be a useful thing in the economy. This is not a black and white thing.
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You almost certainly beat literally 95% of Wall Street pros. who were trying to outsmart the market, trying to outwit the market and were unable to keep it going for 30 years. And so this is where if you can just be average for an above average period of time, you'll be amazing.
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I mean, it's probably similar in health that like if you want to be healthy, yes, you can go out and become the best bodybuilder in the world, the best marathon runner in the whole world. But actually, if you just work out just like modest workouts a couple times a week for 30 years, you're going to be one of the healthiest people in your town.
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If you can work out two or three times a week for 30 years consistently and eat a good diet consistently for 30, you'll be one of the healthiest people that you know. And it's the same in investing. It's like the people who do the best are not the geniuses. It's the people who are ordinary for a very long period of time.
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Now, I like coffee. You do too. I don't want people to listen to that and say I should stop drinking my coffee. But it's a powerful example. There's a book called The Snowball, which is kind of the most detailed biography of Warren Buffett.
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And it would talk about how when he was on his adulthood, he wouldn't want to get haircuts because in his mind, a haircut would cost $10,000 because it was a $2 haircut. But if he invested that money – And the way that he knew he could and leave it alone for 50 years, whatever it would be, he didn't want to get a car wash because he would tell his wife, he's like, that's a $5,000 car wash.
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She's like, what do you mean? It costs a dollar. No, no, no. But if I invest that money and leave it alone. So he was always thinking about not what something costs today, but what he could grow that money into in the future.
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And that's why he's worth a quarter trillion dollars today. It's because you go through 90 years of thinking like that, and it really adds up. Now, you always have to preface this by being like... Please drink your coffee and get a haircut. It's always a balance. But also understand how incredible it can be by putting away... Doing very ordinary things for a long period of time can lead to magic.
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What a tariff is, is, let's keep this very simple. The United States buys a bunch of computers that are made in China, a bunch of iPhones that are made in China. They're on a container ship. They ship them to the United States. When they get to the port in the United States, the importer, which is Apple, bringing the iPhones in that are made in China. An American company.
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Yes. You don't understand. You're like, wait, what? I can't understand how a haircut can turn into $10 million. It's not intuitive. Yeah. There's a great example from my friend Michael Batnick. He said, if I ask you, what is 8 plus 8 plus 8 plus 8? You can figure that out in your head quickly. But if I said, what is 8 times 8 times 8 times 8 times 8?
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Can't do it. We're not made to think exponentially. We're not meant to think in multiplicative terms.
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That's largely true, yeah. Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, I'm sure we can come up with a couple of examples in nature and whatnot. There's lots of compounding in nature. And that's kind of the core of evolution is like things building upon each other over time.
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But, you know, certainly the stock market is the most pertinent example in most people's lives. But there's also a lot of like bad habits compound. Smoking one cigarette is not that big a deal. Smoking one cigarette every day for 30 years, big deal. Smoking two packs a day for 30, a big deal. So there are things that like in small doses, they're not that big a deal.
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But if you do them consistently for a long period of time, it leads to negative magic.
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Yeah. I view savings as... One thing is most people view saving money as idle savings. If you're not spending it, it's just sitting in the bank doing nothing. And it's just wasted money sitting there. I've never viewed it like that at all. I view savings as... little tokens of independence. And every dollar that I save is a little piece of my time in the future that I own and I control.
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It's just deferred spending. And I view that as independence. So if you have a lot of savings, it's not just like hoarding money and I'm not gonna do anything with it. And it's not even that I'm saving this money so that I can spend it in the future. If I save a dollar today, I have a dollar more independence today. I benefit from that today, right now. Like I feel more independent because of it.
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And I am more independent because of it. So I view, again, my top financial goal by far, and I think this is true for most people, whether they know it or not, what they really want out of money is independence and autonomy and is being able to do things on their own terms, live the life that they want to live. And I view the oxygen of independence is savings.
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Yeah. Debt is a piece of your future that somebody else owns. It's the polar opposite of it. When you go into debt, you're saying three years from now, this company owns a part of my time. They own my labor in the future. And savings is the opposite. Savings is in the future. I have this stored up. I have this consumption stored up in the future. I can do whatever I want with it.
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Has to pay the tariff that's put on it. And a lot of people, and it's very understandable why they would think this, would say, well, no, in that situation, China pays the tariff. And there could be a situation where China starts discounting the iPhones. The company that's making the iPhones would discount it. There can be some offset. But the person who's paying that tax is the importer.
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Yeah. I think the most important is there are two topics in life that will impact you whether you like them or not. That's health and money. It doesn't matter if you're not interested in those topics. Those topics are interested in you and they will impact your life. You can have a wonderful life not knowing anything about chemistry or meteorology if you don't care about those topics.
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You cannot have a good life if you don't care about money and health. And that's true for everybody everywhere. And so I think everyone has an obligation to understand their own relationship with money. Now, some people are going to be fanatics about it and other people just view money as just kind of like a necessary tool that they need to get through life. But you have to understand
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how it works and what it's doing to you financially and psychologically. And so much of modern ills have to do with envy, jealousy, feel like you're falling behind relative to other people. The core of that is usually financial. And so even if you're not the kind of person who's like, I don't care about the stock market and like, I don't really care that much about money.
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I like having fun with my friends. That's great. But there is a huge component of sociology and just what's going on in the world all the time. that is financial. And I think money is like such an interesting window into people's lives.
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You can learn so much about somebody if you understand what they do with their money, how they think about money, how much they talk about money, how much they want to show off, how much attention they're putting into their clothes and their cars and their jewelry. to show other people how much money that they have. You learn so much about someone's psychology.
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You know, if I learned about your politics, I don't know what they are, but if I learned about your politics, I might learn something about you. But if I sat down and I said, tell me everything about your money. Tell me how much you make, how much you spend. What do you value? What do you want to do? I'd learn so much about your personality.
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I think less about trauma. That's a component of it. But more so, it's just that we are all prisoners of our unique past, no matter what that is. That's trauma for a lot of people, different forms of trauma. But you grew up in a different country than I did. You have different parents than I do, different values. We're slightly different ages.
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And so you saw a different side of the world than I did. And that taught you different values. It taught you to aspire to different things than I did. And you and I, in a lot of ways, are a lot alike. I think if we sat down and talked about broader topics, we'd agree on 90% of things. But we are different. And so we shouldn't pretend that what I want to do with my money is what you should do.
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This is a bad answer that no one's going to like, but...
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And I think a lot of times when people argue about money, And they're like, oh, you're investing wrong. Or you're spending. You're not spending enough. You're spending too much. It's not actually people disagreeing with each other. It's people who came from very different backgrounds talking over each other. And they just have different aspirations for what you want to do.
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Everyone is so different and they're a prisoner of their past. My brother-in-law is a social worker. I may have brought this up when the first time I was on your podcast, but I think about it all the time. And in social work, when you're working with very disadvantaged kids, a lot of those kids who are homeless and foster children behave very poorly at school. They do very poorly.
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Their grades are terrible in school. They're always getting in fights. And he said, as a social worker, he said, we have a saying in social work. It is all behavior makes sense with enough information. Mm-hmm. So you look at this child who is getting into fights on the playground and failing all of his classes. And it's easy for the teacher to be like, what's your problem? This is not that hard.
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Just behave. Just stop doing this. And then you look at what that kid's going through at home. Maybe their parents are beating them. Maybe they're foster children, they're orphans. Once you piece together what's going on in their life, you're like, I kind of understand. All behavior makes sense with enough information. And I think you can apply that to a lot of areas in life, money especially.
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Yeah. Where you're like, you see someone driving a yellow Lamborghini, there's a story there about someone's past. I'm not judging it, but there's a story in there of someone being like, I want people to know how much money I made. And it's not a criticism, but there's a story. There's something that happened in your life
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that that that led you to there and we all have that's not a criticism because i have bits of my past that influence how i manage money today too so just recognizing that there's no one right answer in math two plus two is four for me and you there is a right answer money's not like that we're all just kind of trying to figure out what works given the lens that we see the world through
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The number doesn't matter because trade will eventually will just stop at those levels. It just won't happen.
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I think about a thing. When I was in my early 20s at this point, and I met, there was a coworker of mine, and he was, I don't know, 10 years older than me. And he had $25,000 of credit card debt, which I could not fathom at the time. That was such an incomprehensible amount of credit card debt that he was paying 17% interest on.
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And at the time, I just thought – and all the debt came from trips that he had taken. He traveled Europe and traveled through Asia and had a great time doing it, but he put it all on his credit card. At the time, I remember thinking, you idiot. Do you understand what this is going to do to your future? And then he died when he was about 32. Wow.
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And then I remember thinking like, I'm so glad you took those trips. I'm so glad you went into that credit card debt because the truth was at age 32, he had seen more and done more than most people would at age 62. And so I think about that a lot of like it's always a balance. And the truth is that you and I don't know are we going to live until we're 110 or die tomorrow. Nobody knows, of course.
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Right. One thing I think a lot about as a parent is that I've been a big saver my entire life. Since I got my first job at age 16, I've saved the majority of what I made in every job that I've ever been in.
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Here's an example that most people will understand. Sales tax. In most states in the United States, it's 6% to 10%. If you go to the store and buy something, you add the sales tax to that.
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And it would be easy to look at someone like me and say, Morgan, if you were on your deathbed tomorrow, you'd probably regret the vacations you didn't take and the dinners you didn't have, right? You'd regret that. My answer is absolutely not. Because if I was on my deathbed tonight, I would take so much joy knowing that my wife and kids are going to be okay because of what I saved.
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That would be the worst situation I would be in is on my deathbed and looking at my wife and kids and knowing you guys are screwed. I'm leaving you dead. you know? And so, but that might change as I get older. And so when my kids are hopefully financially self-sufficient, will I still think that?
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You know, will I still have that need to be like, I need to work and save to provide for my young kids. That's not going to last forever. So it'll change throughout your life.
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There's no worse nightmare than that. I think there's an opposite of that, which is in several of the books and studies that have been done on dying, there are quite a few people who have very peaceful deaths, people who know they're going to die of terminal illness, and they're pretty much at ease with it. And when you dig into like, what is those people's psychology?
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How do you know you're going to die in six months and you're kind of at ease with it? One of the big factors is knowing that your family is going to be okay without you because they are sufficient and they don't rely on you for wisdom and advice as much as they can take care of themselves.
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Yeah, fair. Who pays that is not the store. It's the customer. So even if the tax is put on the seller, the seller passes it on to you, the customer, and it says right on your receipt. You bought something for $10, and then there's your sales tax, and here's what you're going to pay in the end. And so it's similar from that.
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But the opposite, if you're on your deathbed and you're like, my children, my spouse is going to have a real hard time without me. That's the most painful thing you can imagine.
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Between the two. Between my friend who buried himself in credit card debt, even though I'm glad he did it given his short life, versus the people who save everything for the end. David Cassidy, who's a very famous childhood actor and had an incredible acting career. I don't know when he died, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, whatever it was. His last words were, so much wasted time.
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Those were his last words. And like you think about – and this is someone who is like very rich and famous, had like a very enviable life. And you can't think of sadder last words than so much wasted time.
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And I think like no matter – this is like the Jeff Bezos philosophy on business was he started Amazon because he was trying to imagine himself at age 90 looking back and having the fewest regrets. He was like, that should be your framework for life is that when you're on your deathbed, you have the fewest regrets possible.
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And he did it because he was like, if I don't start Amazon, I'm going to regret it. But if I do start Amazon and it fails, I won't regret that. So just understanding like I think that's a good philosophy. That's probably the broadest definition of risk. is understanding what you're likely to regret in the future. And I don't think anyone has a perfect calibration on that.
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Like there's a good chance that, heaven forbid, if you did get a diagnosis tomorrow, as you just said, that yes, you would look back and say, man, I really went for it. But you also might look back and be like, man, not you individually, but any of us would look back and say like, man, I wish I had done this differently. I wish I was nicer to that person.
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I wish I'd called this person more, you know?
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And not a single of those people looking back in those situations on their deathbed when they're 90 years old will look back and say, I wish I worked harder. But virtually every one of them will say, I wish I spent more time with my kids. I wish I spent more time with my family. I wish I was nicer to myself. I wish I'd let myself be who I actually was.
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Now, let me explain this, why there would be a very useful case for tariffs to show that this is not black and white, and this is not, oh, all tariffs are bad. This happened in the United States during COVID. We were virtually 100% reliant on masks and 95 masks that were made in China and Korea and not in the United States.
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And this gets back to the Chuck Feeney idea of the billionaire who said, I want to live my way. Like being independent is so core to people's happiness. And as I said earlier, like we come from different backgrounds, we have different aspirations, but independence is a very human, natural, universal aspiration to be able to live life in your own way.
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It's difficult because it's likely that the mindset and psychology that got you there is going to be very difficult to break, extremely difficult to break. I heard this statistic one time. This is a completely different topic, but I think this applies to a lot of things, that the statistic that is most predictive on whether you will cheat on your spouse
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is how many people you slept with before you got married. The implication being it's very difficult to just flip a switch and say, I'm a different person now. And I think that idea can apply to a lot of different things in life. And the psychology of I spend way more than I make and I don't care about money and debt, debt, debt. Some people can wake up one day and say, no more of that.
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I'm going to run in the other way. A lot of people find it very difficult to do. I think one of the hard things about money It's hard to admit for a lot of people, but there's truth to it, is that on the nature nurture spectrum, a lot of it does lean towards nature, that some people are just wired.
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Your brother was wired to plan and save, and you were wired to take entrepreneurial risks in maybe a way that he wasn't. And so a lot of it is, yes, you can learn. Yes, you can learn from others and learn new ideas to think about, but we shouldn't pretend that we can fundamentally rewire who we are.
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And so when you have a medical crisis in the early days of COVID and we're like, we need hundreds of millions of masks yesterday, they're all made somewhere else. We do not want to be in that situation. So it would absolutely make sense to have a tariff on masks to make sure that they are so expensive to import overseas that we have to start making them in the United States. That makes sense.
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I think if you view savings as I need to save for something in the future, that's hard for people to do. If you have a little bit of a mindset shift and say, I'm going to save so I can become more independent so that if I lose my job, I don't have to panic and go find the first one that's available. I can take my time and find another one. That's independence.
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If you have a medical emergency, you're going to have some options on how to treat it and where to go. That's independence. Viewing every dollar that you save as a token of independence, I think is a mindset shift that makes it a lot easier for people to do versus if they're just saying, I need to save to buy a new car.
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Yeah.
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Now, they might be asking, like, what to do with my savings. Do I put it in a checking account? Do I put it in a savings account? Do I invest it? That might be part of it. Or it might be as similar as they're saying with tariffs. People genuinely don't know what it means.
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Yeah. And this, I think that those questions, they're not bad questions. There's no, there's no bad questions. I was asking those questions at one point in my life too. But it gets to the point of like, you have an obligation to understand how money works and what it's going to do to you and how to manage it. It's not a nice to have.
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Everyone's going to have to deal with these topics, whether they like it or not.
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Yeah. I think you get there when you realize nobody's looking at you as much as you are, and nobody cares about your Range Rover and your Rolex as much as you did. They may have meant a lot to you, But no one else was thinking about them that much because they were busy thinking about themselves. They were busy thinking about their own car.
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One thing that virtually everyone listening to this could learn from is they were way more patient and had way more endurance than anyone else.
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And you realize how much modern spending, and this has increased in the social media age the last 10 or 15 years, is trying to get strangers' attention. It's trying to put on a show, put on a performance for people that you think are paying attention to you, but they're absolutely not. They're not paying any attention to you whatsoever.
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And so like lowering your, or like raising your humility is one way to think about it. But it's also just realizing like, who do you want attention from? It's different for everybody. For me, I want my wife, my kids, my parents, and like three friends to love me. And I desperately care about their attention. I desperately care what my kids and my wife and my parents think of me.
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And it's fundamental to my happiness.
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and from there it declines real quick you know there's a couple of really close friends who are in there and then there's some like colleagues and whatnot and it declines very quickly from there and strangers the person driving us could not care in the slightest and maybe that sounds obvious but so much of what we do with money is a performance to impress that guy who's not paying any attention to you whatsoever and so i want to put a lot of effort
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into fostering the relationships with those six or seven people. I want to put tremendous effort into that and very little every from there. And here's the thing. If I got a Ferrari, would my wife love me more? No. Would my kids admire me more? No. And so the people who I want to love me are not impacted by the fancy things that I would buy.
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Same with military equipment. You do not want to go to war with a country and be reliant on that country to make your military gear, your bullets and your bombs and your tanks and whatnot. Absolutely makes sense to have a tariff on that to make sure they're made in the United States. That said, so it's not black and white, but to have a blanket tariff and say,
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We live a pretty decent material life, but I also spend a lot of money. So the biggest expense that I have, what I spend money on is independence. And I view that as a thing I'm spending money on. I spend money on controlling my calendar. I spend money on the ability to say no to work that I don't want to do. I view it as I'm financially independent. And so I can do the work that I want to do.
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And I've been working on that for 25 years. What else do I spend money on? Here's what's interesting. My son back in the green room, you asked about him. It was the thing I was thinking about just a couple of weeks ago. I grew up as a skier. I was a ski racer in Lake Tahoe. And always, particularly when I was younger, there were always people on my ski team who had better gear than me.
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They had the newer skis and newer boots and cooler gear and whatnot. And I always, I hated it. It made me so insecure. I hated it. And one of the things that I did was when my son started skiing a couple of years ago, I was like, I'm going to buy you the best stuff. Because I was insecure and I'm going to make up for that little chip on my shoulder. I'm going to buy you the best gear.
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And here's the thing. He couldn't care less about it. He could not care less about the fancy stuff that he has. Couldn't care less about it. So everyone's different in that. And it also gets back to like a lot of spending is based off of a story or a scar that you had from earlier in your childhood.
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You said roughly what percentage of your net worth? 20%, 25% maybe. We own a house outright and then the rest in stocks. It's very simple. Our entire net worth is a house, cash, Vanguard index funds, and shares of Markel where I'm on the board of directors. That's it. That's my entire net worth. It's as simple and boring and bland as you could possibly get.
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And what I want to do with that, the reason I keep it so boring is the variable that I want to maximize for is endurance, as we spoke about earlier. So if my finances are so simple, then I can spend all of my mental energy, all of the strategy is how can I make sure that I can just keep this going for as long as I possibly can.
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So an index fund is a collection of hundreds, if not thousands, of businesses. So when you buy an index fund, you're owning a little bit of Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, all of them. Every public company that's available, you're owning a tiny slice of them. One way to think about it is when you buy an index fund, you're owning a little slice of American capitalism.
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There's lots of them. I mean, there's tons of them that are equally good. So this is not to say that one is necessarily better than the other.
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Everything that comes from any country, anywhere in the world, and China's going to be this to an extreme degree, is going to have a tariff on it. And whether that's between 10% for all countries or 145% from China, that, you know, I've used this analogy before that if you talk to dieticians, there is a huge amount of debate over what's the best diet should you eat? Should you be keto?
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Most of what I buy is called the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index. The ticker is VTI. Not a recommendation for others, but it's the broadest index. It basically owns every stock that's available to buy in the world. And it does it at a very, very low fee. And so I'm not making any bet on AI. I'm not making any bet on this industry or that company.
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You're owning a little bit of slice of American business.
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If you look at a good historical comparison to what it would be, which is like the S&P 500, if you go back, you can go back 100 years. There's a guy from Yale University named Robert Schiller who has data going back to the 1880s on US stocks. And basically what it shows is over time, on average, which that phrase is doing some heavy lifting here, but on average... eight to 10% per year.
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And why that is like, there's a big asterisk there is you almost never earn eight or 10% in any given year. You're much more likely to be up 30% or down 15%. And it averages out to eight or 10% per year, but it's always chaos in any individual year.
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Well, there's a lot of technology in that index fund. That's the highest weight because those are the biggest companies in America, Amazon, Google, and whatnot. But there's also a tremendous amount of value that can be created by a company like Procter & Gamble selling toothpaste and deodorant.
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And there can actually be more value in those kind of companies than technology because I would bet good money that in 30 years, people will still be using Old Spice deodorant. I would not bet good money that in 30 years, Google is going to be the dominant way that people find information.
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And so companies that sell the same product for a long period of time, have endurance and longevity, like can actually create a ton of value for their investors.
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I mean, it's one of the biggest social problems, and it's so much bigger than housing and so much bigger than money. I think you can tie everything from homelessness to heroin to suicide to the fact that we in America and a lot of areas around the world have not built enough homes in the last 50 years.
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That has pushed the price higher and higher and higher, and it's pushed out what was a small sliver and now a growing large chunk of society. who rightly feels like they cannot afford a basic middle-class home. And it's probably one of the biggest societal problems that we face right now is a housing shortage that has pushed housing out of affordability for tens of millions of people.
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So I've purchased three homes in my life.
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Every one of those three homes, I don't feel like I got a good deal. It wasn't like, oh, this is a bargain. God, this is a great deal. None of the three were like that. I bought them. I could afford them. I was not doing something that I should not have been doing financially.
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But the reason I bought them is because they were a good, safe home for my family in a community that we wanted to live in. And I was not thinking about, is this going to be a house that I can make a fortune on? Is this going to go up in value? Is this going to go down in value? That was never part of the equation. It was, yes, I can afford this and it's not imperiling my finances at all.
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But the reason I'm doing it is because it's a safe, good place for my family to live. And I think generally that's the way to do it. And once people start thinking through the lens of, is this a good investment? Is this going to go up? Are home prices going to fall? Maybe I should wait six months because they're going to fall. That's when you're just, you're shooting yourself.
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You're just rolling the dice at that point. And people get into a lot of trouble doing that when they're like, oh, I know I'm going into a ton of debt, but I think home prices are going to double in the next three years, so it's okay. That should not ever be part of the equation. It should be, I can afford this, and this is where I want to raise my family for the next five or 10 years.
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Should you be vegan? Like everything in between. There's so much debate. All of them agree that processed sugar is bad. Nobody thinks processed sugar is good. And tariffs are that with economists. There is so much debate among economists on what should the tax rate be? What should subsidies be? Should we get free market versus subsidies? There's so much debate.
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I think that's the formula.
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Here's what's interesting, like the psychology of housing too. We bought a new house eight months ago and sold our previous house. And that house, the house that we just sold, we did end up making a little bit of money on because Seattle real estate has gone crazy in the last five years. And really interesting something that happens. This is just eight months ago when we sold the house.
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The day that we closed on selling that house and I got the proceeds wired to me in my bank account, logged in my bank account. I see that number from selling the house. The numbers meant nothing to me, but the house that we sold meant everything to me. It was like my daughter took her first steps at the bottom of those stairs. My son had his first day of kindergarten, Christmases, Thanksgivings.
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And it was like these numbers don't mean anything to me. These numbers are just going into the new house. But that house that I left behind meant everything to me. So that gets back to like don't think of it as a financial transaction. It should be this is where you want to raise your family and build some memories.
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I have no memories of my daughter's first steps in my Vanguard index fund. That's really it. You are investing in a Vanguard index fund because you think you're going to make money over time, whereas you should not have that mentality when you buy a house. It should be within your financial means, but you should be doing it because it's a good place to raise your family for a long period of time.
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Yeah. That was true in previous generations because if you go back to the 1950s, 60s, 70s, we were building so many more homes
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we are today that they were much cheaper even when interest rates were higher they were much cheaper and so the advice of hey you got an entry-level job you should go buy an entry-level house probably made sense in the 60s and 70s in a way that it doesn't today the other element here that is very easy to overlook in the housing problem the housing debate is that the homes that we found adequate in the 50s and 60s we would not find adequate today
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So Levittown in New York is like the prototypical example. That's when like end of World War II, build big, like build the middle-class community, build this huge new community called Levittown in New York. And that was like the typical white picket fence, middle-class home that we like long for today. And they were cheap, they were affordable. The average new house in Levittown
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was 700 square feet. It had two bedrooms for an average of a family of five or six moving into it. One bathroom for those six people, no air conditioning, no garage. It would be a house that if I showed you today, you would be like, it's a crack house. Nobody would say that is a beautiful middle-class house. So expectations over time have increased tremendously.
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So now the average new middle-class house is 2,200 square feet, where it used to be 700. So like what an entry-level house is, the definition of that has expanded tremendously over time.
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my wife and I rented for years and looking back at the time and looking back, it was the best thing that we ever did. We rented for 10 years before we bought a house because we lived in five different cities and we could just easily just pack up and go. And then we just, we weren't tied to anything. We had flexibility. And yeah,
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it was pretty much the week that our son was born when we had our first kid, that it was like a switch in my head. I was like, I need to go have my own house because the flexibility that I enjoyed when we were childless, it was the opposite. I was like, I'd value stability now. I want a stable house for my family. And it was like instantly that switched.
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No serious economist thinks that you should have a trade war. And the thing is, this is not new. We've been doing this for hundreds of years. And it's very well known that in the 1930s, the Great Depression, we put huge tariffs on in the early days of the Great Depression. They didn't know it was called the Great Depression back then because we put them on and it shut down global trade.
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And so that was not a financial decision of like, I need to go out and buy it because I have some extra savings. It was like, I want my house that's mine. And there's not going to be a landlord that sends me a letter and says, oh, sorry, you're evicted. Or sorry, we're selling the building you need to leave. This is my house. That was the shift for me.
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But it's not, in the slightest. I mean, for anyone who's owned a house, you know the expenses that go into a house. It's not just the mortgage. It's the broken water heater. It's replacing your roof. It's the expenses that go into it. Like, you want to talk about throwing your money away, try replacing your roof on a house that you own. That feels like throwing money away.
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So my wife and I lived in five different cities. Some of those were because we got jobs that we didn't, you know, in different cities we had to move. You can't quantify that flexibility or it's very hard to, but in the moment it was everything. It was, I remember when my wife got into grad school and it was like, great, pack up this city and move to this city.
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And it was just like, no handcuffs, just get up and go. Versus if you own your house, like anyone's tried to sell a house, like it's a nightmare. And so you can't quantify that, but it meant everything in the world to us now.
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There are so many people today who bought homes in 2021, 2022, and their mortgage rate was 2% or 3%. They have a 2% or 3% mortgage. And a lot of those people want to move today because they can get a better job in another city. They want to move and they feel like they can't.
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because because they're they have golden handcuffs for the super cheap mortgage because if they sold their house and bought a new one their new mortgage rate would be seven and a half percent and so those are people who like a lot of those people look back and when they bought in 2021 they're like we won the lottery two percent mortgage this is amazing and looking back they're like gosh we would have been so better off renting if we did if we had the flexibility to move so interesting
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So much of economic prosperity over history is your ability to move. And that's been true for hundreds of years. Like if you want to see like a basic measure of how wealthy any economy is, like how often do people move? Because moving is usually a symbol of opportunity.
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And it's easy to think that if you put tariffs on your own country, that will make it easier to manufacture. Like all those jobs that we shipped overseas of building cars, they're all going to come rushing back to America. And it very rarely happens like that when you have a trade war. But what I mean by trade war is we put tariffs on China, they respond to put tariffs on us.
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And the more that they're locked down and feel like they can't move, the more stagnant and like sclerotic that economy is going to be.
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I stole that from an author named Ramit Sethi. He's a very well-known author. And he says, too many people ask $3 questions when they should be asking $30,000 questions. What he means by that are when people say, how can I save more money? They say, I should stop drinking coffee. That's a $3 question. And that does not make any difference to you.
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What you should be asking are $30,000 questions like, where should I go to college? Should I go to the cheap school or the expensive school? Where should I live? The cheap city or the expensive city? Should I rent or should I buy? Those are $30,000 questions. And we spend a lot of mental energy on $3 questions that actually don't move the needle that much in our finances.
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For most people, there are only a couple of expense items that actually matter to your finances. That is your housing payment, either rent or mortgage, your car payment, child care, health care. And that's pretty much it. And yes, you're going to spend money on other things, but those four, that's the vast majority of what people spend money on.
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But when you hear people talk about how do you save money, it's like, oh, well, stop going to Starbucks. You can pack your own lunch to work. It doesn't make that much of a difference. It's those big four things.
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So compound interest is the most misunderstood thing about investing because that's what builds wealth. If you look at like Warren Buffett, he wouldn't want to get haircuts because if he invested that money and leave it alone for 50 years, in his mind, a haircut would cost $10,000.
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I think those are what you are most likely to end up regretting.
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There are a lot of people in the FIRE movement. FIRE stands for Financial Independence Retire Early. It's this big movement started 10 or 15 years ago of people who are like, I'm going to save as much money as I can in my 20s, learn how to live as cheaply and frugally as I can, and retire at age 27 with $600,000 in the bank. And I'm going to retire off of that. And it was a huge movement.
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So many of those people ended up regretting it because they retired at 27. And six months later, they were bored out of their mind, if not depressed. Because they wake up and they're like, what do I do now? Do I just go play golf or something? All my friends are out working. What do I do now? And so I think the extreme ends of like, oh, YOLO. I'm just going to spend all – like live for today.
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I'm going to spend it all. I'm going to go party and travel and whatnot. There's somewhat of a chance that you're going to end up regretting that because you didn't save enough for a time in your life when you want to retire and you can't.
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My dad, I think, retired and went back to work three different times. We eventually had to tell him, no more retirement parties. You only get one. But he would retire. And then a month later, he'd be like, man, I really miss work. And in his line of work, he could go back. He could go back part time and whatnot. So it worked out for him.
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But I think he starkly saw what a lot of people overlook, which is how much of his identity was his job. And how much – like when he retired the first time and he like woke up and looked in the mirror and said, I'm not the person who I used to be. I used to be a this, but I'm not anymore. And he didn't like it.
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And you just go tit for tat and you go back and forth. And it's like mutually assured destruction in economic terms.
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And I was like, it's easy – like look, every job has downsides that are stressful and you don't want to do them. And they're a pain and you hate them. And you can't wait to live a world where you don't have to do the stressful parts of your job. But –
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For a lot of us, like what we really want to do in our soul is like be productive in the world and add value to the world, add value for our family, add value to the world. And one of the quickest ways to become depressed is to be very productive and then immediately stop. That's a quick path to depression for a lot of people. And so some people are very good at retirement.
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My mom, on the other hand, was very good at retirement. She retired, never looked back, and has a very full life in retirement. She keeps herself very busy with hobbies and friends and whatnot. So some people are very good at it. Other people who found their identity in their work, that's a lot of people. That's me. I think that's probably you, would go crazy if we ended up retiring.
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Oh, I would say my own book. No, I think a couple that were really important for me, you know, it's not bedtime reading, but a guy named Benjamin Graham wrote a book called The Intelligent Investor. He wrote it in the 1930s. So it is written in 1930s English, and he was a professor. So it's written, it's not quite a textbook, but it's not bedtime reading.
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But there is more wisdom about investing in that book than any other book that's been written in the last 100 years. And even though he wrote it almost 100 years ago, 90% of it is timeless. He says certain things that are obviously dated, but there's more wisdom in there than anything else that's ever been written. That's why the book still sells a lot 90 years after it's been written.
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That was a big one. Learning about World War II and the Great Depression was very influential to me and many other people because both of those events, particularly World War II, saw the highest range of human emotions that I think has ever been documented. From the most agony and despair and torment to the most like elation and happiness that it's over.
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Like so many, the fullest range of human emotions were documented during that period from probably 1929 to 1945. Those 16 years, I think if you learn about what happened in the United States and all over the world, of course, you learn so much about humanity. Like when you study World War II, you're not really learning about military tactics, even though that's part of it.
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You're learning about the psychology of how people deal with uncertainty, dread, risk, doubt, fear. You can learn more about those topics during that 15-year period than anything else. Yeah.
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To his credit, Trump has been very consistent on this for literally 40 years. You can go on YouTube. He gave an interview in, I think it was 1986. He went on Oprah in 1986 talking about how free trade wasn't free and that Japan and other countries were ripping us off and that the solution to it were tariffs. So this is not a new view. This has been a lifelong quest that he's had.
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Because it's out in the middle of an open field, it's gorging on sunlight because there's no other trees shading it. It's just gorging on sunlight. Because it gorges on sunlight, it grows very, very fast. It can grow like 10 times faster than a tree that's covered in shade. So you might think that that's great. That's amazing. It's growing so quickly. If you're a farmer, you love that.
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But when a tree grows that quickly, it never has a chance to grow dense. and hard. It never has a chance to grow a very established root structure. And so those trees, even though they grow very quickly, they die very quickly. They're very susceptible to rot because they never have a chance to grow hard. It's just kind of like mushy, soft wood inside.
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And if you see a lot of the lumber that is harvested these days and you compare it to lumber from like old growth forests, you might as well be looking at a completely different tree. A lot of the wood that we harvest today that was grown very quickly is soft and weak. compared to the old dense hardwood that they used to make. And I think that's a good analogy that like fast growth is fun.
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It's exciting, but there's always, it's like speed always comes at the expense of durability. Always. There's a theory in finance. It's kind of like a tongue in cheek theory that however fast you grow, that's the half-life for how quickly you can die. It's like the faster you grow, the quicker you can die as well. And you see that in nature. You see it with businesses as well.
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The hard thing is that if you're an entrepreneur, if you're the CEO or working at a company, there is nothing more thrilling and exciting and get you up in the morning than fast growth. You love it. You love every second of it, even if it's a danger.
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And the companies that can produce tons and tons of money, even like look at Apple, it was created in the 1970s, didn't really find its stride, so to speak, until the mid-2000s. And so it's like sometimes there's companies like Facebook, I guess, and OpenAI that found product market fit, found incredible success virtually overnight, the day that they were invented. Right.
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One of the problems with rapid growth too is that the difference between building a product that's going to grow very quickly, that is a very different skill than managing a company that now has 1,000 employees. Those are night and day different skills. And so you might be a very talented entrepreneur who can build a product and get thousands of people to buy it.
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That does not necessarily mean that you have the skills to manage a 50-person team or a 1,000-person team.
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What's interesting is that when anyone says happy, you're like, how can you disagree with that? Everybody wants to be happy. But a lot of why people run into problems when they're seeking happiness is because happiness is not the emotion that you want to go for. Happiness is always a five-minute emotion. It comes and goes.
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You experience it, but it's a thrill, and then it kind of wears off very quickly. If you hear a funny joke, you go to a comedy show, it's funny. You laugh at a joke for 20 seconds, and then it's not that funny anymore. What you want to go for, I think, is contentment. And a lot of people, like money can buy a good life.
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I would say not necessarily Trump's views, but I would say it absolutely makes sense that there is a large chunk of America that looks back to the period of 1950s, 1960s when we were a manufacturing powerhouse and says that was better than what we have now and we should go back to that.
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But when you imagine yourself with the new house, the new car, the nice vacation, when you dream about those making you happy, what you're actually envisioning is yourself being content with those things. You envision yourself on the beach in Maui being content with it. And that's why it feels so good.
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The feeling that you want, the feeling that you're actually chasing, whether you know it or not, it's not happiness, it's contentment. And I think that little shift too is – because most people are out there seeking happiness. But they're like, I'm not – I don't feel that much better than I used to.
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Because what you actually want to seek is what my grandmother-in-law had, which is being content with the little bit that she had. And that's why she was so happy. And maybe again, that's the wrong word, but she was content. She was perfectly content with her very simple, very basic, boring life, boring in other people's eyes. She was content.
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And that's why a lot of people would look at her, including me, with a sense of envy. It's probably the right word. How did you do that? How are you so happy? It's because she was content with what she had.
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When you imagine yourself driving in the Ferrari and you're like, oh, that would be so great. What you're actually imagining yourself is yourself in a Ferrari being content with that Ferrari. But what ends up happening is when, if you are in the Ferrari, you're like, oh, look at that Lambo. Oh, that's nicer than mine, isn't it? You're not content with it.
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Right. And then you want the Rolls Royce, whatever it is. Whether you know it or not, that's what you're actually seeking. You just want to be content with what you have because that's true joy. How does one be content now? People have been talking about that for thousands of years. The philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer has this quote that I love.
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He said, if you only want to be happy, that is very easy to achieve. But people want to be happier than other people. And that is much more difficult. I think that's what it is. It's like so much of it is just a comparison game. And for a lot of people, it's like, I don't necessarily want a nice house. What I want is a house that's nicer than yours. I don't necessarily want an expensive car.
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I want a car that's more expensive than yours. That's a weird thing to say, but at the core, that's what a lot of people want. And so being content, to answer your question, is moving from the external benchmark of comparing myself to you and others and towards the internal benchmark of, as I said earlier, the only thing that's actually going to make me happy in life is my family, my health,
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I get why people would say that because it's true that we have lost a lot of manufacturing jobs in the last 50 years. I think manufacturing jobs peaked in the late 1970s. And we've lost something like 10 million manufacturing jobs versus what we had back then. And I get why if I was in that situation, I would probably feel the same.
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That's pretty much it. I think I can end it right there and put a period there and say that's what's going to make me happy. It's the internal benchmark. It's not comparing what I have to what you have. It's just if nobody else was looking, would I be happy with this? Because the truth is nobody else is looking.
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Right. What would you do? If nobody was watching, what kind of life would you live? And I think in that life, would you want a Ferrari or would you want a Toyota pickup truck that has utility, that actually makes your life easier kind of thing? There's a great thing that I heard a couple of years ago, which is that a high-end Toyota is a much nicer car than an entry-level BMW. Oh, yeah.
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Because a high-end Toyota is like, you've got the cushy seats and the moonroof and the good sound system. An entry-level BMW is just status, or you think it's status. You're buying it for the chance that you're going to influence somebody else's view of who you are. And people massively overestimate how much it's going to actually influence other people.
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Yeah, because life is always a competition for resources. It always has been. There's a limited amount of food, a limited amount of land, a limited amount of mates, a limited amount of potential. And so what has mattered historically is not whether I'm a good hunter, it's whether I'm a better hunter than you.
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Absolutely. And always will. We're never going to get to a world. This is what Adam Smith wrote about 300 years ago. He was like, if people just needed basic food and shelter, they could stop right now because virtually everybody has those. But we keep going because we want to be seen by the people who we're competing with and showing you, look, I'm better than you. I made more money than you.
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I'm more worthy for a spouse or attention than you are. It's always a competition. It's kind of a sad thing to think about. And of course, I think people are intelligent enough to know how silly that game can be and to take themselves out of the game to some extent. But we're never going to be at a time when that's not the case. That's definitely hardwired in us.
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It might seem like the world is more uncertain today than it's ever been. And I don't think that's the case with tariffs and AI. It has been more uncertain at many points in the past. It just doesn't feel that way because we know how the story ended in the past. And we don't know how this story is going to end.
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So it's always the case that the world that we're living in today feels especially fragile and especially uncertain. And I think historically, it's not. It's uncertain and fragile in its own unique new way. But it's always the case that it feels like the world used to be great. We used to have it, and now it's not anymore.
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Where I'd push back is the situation that we had in the 1950s and 1960s, where it was just America manufacturing powerhouse, were a very unique period that I think is virtually impossible to bring back. And I'll tell you why. At the end of World War II, 1945, Europe and Japan were in rubble. They were decimated from the war. America was not decimated whatsoever.
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There's a great Jon Stewart quote where he says, the reason the world felt like a better place during your childhood is because you were a child. And just because we know how the story ended, it makes it feel like today is a very uncertain place, even if it's kind of par for the course historically.
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One thing that I, this was not necessarily changing my mind as it was just kind of growing as an adult was when I was in my twenties, I really valued travel and getting out and seeing the world as you should in your twenties. When I became a father, I valued being at home with my kids. And it's almost like, In my 20s, a terrible night would be at home on the couch. That's a failed night.
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And in my 30s, there's nothing, or in my 40s now, there's nothing better than being at home on the living room floor playing Legos with my kids. Nothing better. So that was a shift in values, but it wasn't because I changed my mind. It's just a different state of life.
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virtually no one else on the planet can do it better than you.
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And so we had basically a global manufacturing monopoly for a period of time. China was not in the equation. South Korea was not in the equation. India, Bangladesh, they were not in the equation. It was basically Japan, the United States, and Europe, two of which were just struggling to feed their citizens.
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And once they got that under control, it was like, we have to rebuild the damage from the war. So America had about 20 years from 1945 to the mid-1960s of... we have a manufacturing monopoly. And then we had 16 million US soldiers come home from the war. And there was so much pent up demand for them to buy homes and washing machines and cars and radios and all these things.
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And all of them were built in America because nobody else could build them. And that created a really special time when like because we had a manufacturing monopoly, it was just like factories everywhere. We built up so many factories during the war. There was endless demand for those products. And this is an important part too.
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White collar workers during that period didn't make that much money relative to what they did before or since. And that was important because the wages that the blue collar manufacturing workers were earning felt great by comparison.
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So if you were an auto worker in Detroit and you compared your wage in 1955 to the local accountant or dentist or doctor, by comparison, relative to today, you're like, oh, it's pretty good. Yeah, the doctor makes more than me, but not that much more than me. I drive a Chevy, he drives a Cadillac, his is a little bit nicer, but we're living mostly the same lives.
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And so I think that was a lot of the feeling of prosperity in the 50s and 60s was this very unique period of manufacturing monopoly as Europe and Japan were rebuilding. And by comparison to other workers, it felt amazing. And then at about the 1970s, Japan and Europe had gotten themselves back together from the ravages of World War II, and they became manufacturing dynamos in their own right.
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And I don't think we really understood this in America until three companies came in, which were Toyota, Honda, and Nissan, and they started selling cars in America. And at first, it was very easy to be like, look at these little lawnmower toys that they're importing. Because you compared an early Honda Civic to a Chevy Camaro in the 70s. And it was like, you can't even compare them.
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So at first, the reaction of American car companies were like, these guys are a joke. No one's going to buy these little cars. But then gas prices surged in the 70s and 80s. And all of a sudden, the cars that Americans wanted
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was the tiny little honda civic that got really good gas mileage and then once they started buying them they're like hey this toyota this honda this nissan it's actually a pretty good car it's actually pretty well built and i think there was a lot of denial among that among american manufacturers that other these other nations that we that didn't exist for 20 years in terms of a global manufacturing source we're actually pretty damn good at it now and then one other thing happened to wrap to wrap this up then this might be the most important part of it
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The reason that you cannot reasonably expect the manufacturing powerhouse to come back as it was is, yes, we did ship jobs to China and Mexico and Canada and India that used to be in America. And that has contributed to the massive decline in manufacturing employment. But a bigger factor in there is automation. And if you look at a... I would challenge people to do this.
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What's an example of a soft textured food versus a hard textured food?
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That's like 300%, 400% faster.
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And you've done some research on walnuts, right?
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Dr. Sarah Berry, can you give me a little bit of an overview over what you've spent the last sort of 25 years of your career focusing on and understanding?
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A little bit. Yeah, yeah, I didn't swallow it.
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None of your business. I'm joking.
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So nuts, they just don't break down fully?
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Interesting.
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And that's because of gut absorption speed?
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insulin release etc etc and what role does fiber play in this because fiber is becoming quite popular now they're like putting it in drinks and stuff like that and i there's some candy in america when we're recording over in a new york which had like it said like 15 grams of fiber added to this like candy
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Just to pause there then, why is it so good for us? Because, I mean, it sounds like a super molecule the way you just described it.
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One of the big revelations in my household has been just getting some of these bad snacks just out the house and replacing it with healthier whole snacks. And I say that because the sort of the very definition, the very like sort of use case where we snack is when we typically don't have a lot of time, where hunger kind of crept up on us in between a meal. And so we make fast decisions.
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It's not a very considered decision. And I was reading that there's been some studies done where they took sort of two groups and gave them typical snacks versus healthy snacks. And they found a pretty significant reduction in cardiovascular disease.
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And how many of these individual pieces of our sort of health and lifestyle are you trying to piece together to form this picture? What are those pieces?
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That's crazy. In what period of time?
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In six weeks.
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And we really are a nation of snackers. You highlighted one of the stats there that in the UK and in the US, about 25% of our energy comes from snacks. 75% of the energy that's coming from those snacks is coming from unhealthy snacks. This was taken from the Zoe podcast. In Mediterranean countries, only 14% of energy comes from snacks, which is half.
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of the uk and 85 of british people report snacking compared to 10 in france and in the uk we have 2.5 to 3 snacks per day which translates to six or seven eating events a day um and this has massive impacts on our glucose spikes and drops throughout the day causing metabolic chaos and that's part of what i was thinking as i was as i was thinking about this is
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if I'm eating that muffin that you made, which resembles the sort of typical British composition of a snack, it's not necessarily just that that snack is going to impact me. It's that my next food choice, because I ate that snack, is going to be different because I might be on a glucose rollercoaster here. So I might end up making a worse food choice
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thereafter, which then might impact maybe my sleep because I've got a little bit of sugar in me when I'm settling down to go to sleep. And is there the sort of downstream domino effect because of that one snack choice?
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I am a little bit, yeah. I think the smell of the chocolate and the cookies is testing me. And in general, I'm not trying to be tested. There we go.
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So let's go into all of that.
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Okay, because there's been a long, I guess, raging debate about how many meals you should have a day. Some people just eat one meal a day. Some people probably five or six meals a day. And you're saying it doesn't necessarily matter as long as what you're eating is healthy.
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And this is, I guess, controlled for extreme cases where someone's maybe eating at 1am in the morning or 2am in the morning.
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Just to double down on that, I have had a longstanding hypothesis that when I eat later at night, it is basically increasing my belly fat. Now, I don't have any science to support this. And also, the way that I feel when I wake up is radically different. If I've eaten close to my sleep time.
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So I had this weird hypothesis that I'm basically putting food into the machine and then I'm like turning the machine off while it's processing. So it's kind of like not processed it properly.
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I have had a weird observation, which is sometimes sort of quite rare these days. I have to wake up super early to get on a flight. And it means that I'm disrupting my sleep, maybe getting up at four or five in the morning. And for some bizarre reason, if I wake up at, say, four in the morning to go and get a flight, I am starving.
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But if I woke up at nine that same day, I would probably not get hungry till about 2 p.m. I've never managed to sort of really figure out why disrupting my sleep causes me to be ridiculously hungry, whereas typically I don't honestly eat breakfast. I typically eat about midday or 2 p.m.
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Oh, really?
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So they slept better, they ate less sugar. They made the decision to eat less sugar.
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Hmm. That correlates. It's been such a revelation, I think, in my life over the last, I'd say, two to three years is realizing the downstream impact of sleep and a bad night's sleep.
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Because it was one of the things that I think growing up, especially as an entrepreneur, when you're consuming a lot of hustlepreneur culture and it's all like sacrifice the sleep work seven days, that you assume is... take it or leave it. Like, you assume it's often the first thing you think that you can sacrifice in the pursuit of productivity. Yeah. Well, this is what I thought growing up.
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Yeah. Do you not think? Yeah. And anyone that's, like, has, I think, probably... an involuntary amount of... I say involuntary, but I mean just because of the decisions they've made, amount of professional pressure or, like, shift workers or anybody, or even parents, I guess. They...
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probably see sleep as secondary to some other kind of priority in their life and when I shifted that and I made adjustments to my calendar and my schedule to try and prioritize sleep the downstream impact of it has been profound in a way that I could never measure or articulate fully but just everything seems to be better so like my relationships with my partner um my ability to think straight um
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my motivation to go to the gym that day, the work that I do, everything. So there's been this big sort of radical adjustment where I now see sleep as actually the starting point for all these other choices that I make, good or bad. And that's kind of what your work is highlighting.
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And the PREDICT studies that were done at Zoe found that sleep affected metabolic responses as much as the macronutrient content of the meal. What is that saying?
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I get a lot of messages from parents. So because I'm not one yet, I don't fully understand what it is to be a parent and the demands of parenthood. So I'm going to defer to you on this.
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They never slept?
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How did you survive that as a parent? Was there any strategies or tactics you put in place to defend against exactly what you just described, the downstream consequences of sleep deprivation?
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So let's go into all of that. Let's start with the subject of the food matrix, which is a term I hadn't actually heard before until today. What is the food matrix and why do I need to know about that?
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You know, when we talk about the health situation in the US and the UK with obesity on the rise and things like that, people are now pointing at things like a Zenpec as the cure for that.
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But when you speak about the role there that stress and our lifestyles are having on us, and I was thinking about some of the stats that have emerged around anxiety in young people and them being more in depression rates globally. Maybe there's something else that we should be thinking about, which is like the mental health mindfulness piece of how that overlays with food choices.
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And because, you know, even the food, the ultra processed unhealthy foods that are being attacked a lot these days. I mean, to some degree, they are a consequence also of demand.
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So they won't be making these things if people didn't want them and didn't buy them. So maybe if we focused more on some of the mindfulness, mental health challenges we have in society, people would have more of a greater ability to make better choices themselves as well.
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Because I certainly know in my life that if I'm highly stressed or if things are difficult, then my ability to make better food choices is significantly impaired.
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Do you get frustrated with yourself because you know more about nutrition than most people on planet Earth, yet you still find yourself making, at times, suboptimal nutritional choices?
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What do you think of diets today? Because there's so many bloody diets, isn't there?
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Nutribollocks?
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There's been a big debate around this conversation around fasting and calorie restriction. And some people say that it's basically the same thing. And you've kind of proven that to some degree.
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So let's start with the food matrix.
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Okay, so time-restricted eating has some benefit independent of calories consumption.
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I think I've heard of it. What does it mean?
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What else is on your Nutribolics list? What things spring to mind that a lot of people believe? I mean, there's a big debate raging at the moment about seed oils because we had an incoming American, I guess he's a politician, RFK Jr. say recently, seed oils are one of the most unhealthy ingredients. that we have in foods. And the reason they're in foods is because they're heavily subsidized.
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In simple terms, if I were to zoom in on a piece of food on a microscope, the way that the molecule of the food is put together is now different to what it used to be. And that's having an impact on my health.
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They're very cheap, or they are associated with all kinds of very serious illnesses, including body wide inflammation, which affects all of our health. It's one of the worst things you can eat. And it's almost impossible to avoid. If you eat any processed foods,
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That's basically it. He said if you're going to eat processed foods, you're going to be eating seed oils. And he advocates for replacing seed oils with beef tallow, which in the UK is referred to as dripping, which is pure beef fat and is a saturated fat. And he's actually selling T-shirts, RFK Jr. at the moment that say, make frying oil tallow again. So what, so seed oils.
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What is this weird debate that I've seen raging on on my Instagram about seed oils? I've like managed to avoid it. Like I've just not paid attention to it, but I see the word seed oils all of a sudden everywhere.
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Probably the toxic seed oil narrative.
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So where has this narrative come from? Where did it originate from that Cedar Wells were toxic? Was it just one of those things that just snowballed?
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Yeah, and, you know, people, you know, with all these studies out there and with some studies having less rigour and evidence, studies that don't have sort of the randomized control element, or what's the other term for a study where they look at like 50 studies at once?
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For better or for worse.
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Right.
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You're very passionate about this.
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But it's a good thing that people like yourself are leaning into the mediums now of like podcasting, because it's worth saying that, hey, As it relates to the sort of transfer of information, it's typically people who have either a platform or
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who are great public speakers or great salespeople that are ultimately going to like resonate the most, reach the furthest with their information irrespective of whether that information is credible. So it's good to see more and more people that are in the research now sort of stepping away from the research laboratory and coming into environments where they can provide counteracting information.
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And as someone that's on my own journey to figure, to sort of weave through all of this information to find out what's right for me, it's difficult. And for a lot of people, it's super difficult. I mean, the way that I kind of, my own framework for this is I listen to things, and then I don't necessarily trust one source to be true. But I almost like weight the...
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authority experience and the rigor behind how they've arrived that information yeah and then i guess i perform my own meta-analysis across lots of different people that i speak to and guests and information that i get to find the sweet spots where the sweet spot for me is many people have said it that i think have a lot of sort of rigor and authority and um
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experience in that subject matter so then i accept it to be true whereas i'm not going to go on instagram and see a real pop-up and it says that i don't know putting sugar in your eyeballs is good and i'm not going to crack on with it just because the person's got charisma and i think in the world we live in where there is now this decentralization of information which has its upsides and its downsides we all need to have our own decision framework um to decide what is true
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Yes.
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And nuts. A lot of people say that nuts cause weight gain.
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And is there anything else on the Nutribullocks list that is worth highlighting?
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And what has processing gone bad?
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So cholesterol, I went and did a blood test and the doctor said to me that one of my cholesterol was a little bit on the higher side. This was last year. So I think it was the, is it the HDL cholesterol? I don't know. The way that I experienced it was there's this good cholesterol and this bad cholesterol. And like my bad one was like a little bit, you know, behave.
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Like it's getting a little bit into the region where he might have more of a stern talk with me. That was last year. I think I've done better this year, but yeah. What is cholesterol? And my simplified explanation of it, is that flawed in some way? Good, bad?
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OK, so L is bad, H is good.
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Okay. Okay. Okay.
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So we'll talk about saturated fats, but just so I'm super clear on the cholesterol point, what foods have really high levels of LDL circulating cholesterol in them?
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So versus like a normal fat, like is there good and bad fats?
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And they're talking about the same study?
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And what types of food have saturated fats that have a less than healthy food matrix?
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Okay, so I've got some snacks over in the corner of the room here, which I guess have been processed differently to have a different impact on me as the consumer. Gosh, these look delicious.
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If you had to give me some principles for eating, based on everything we've talked about today, and I had to force you to just give me five principles for eating, what would those five principles be?
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Cookies.
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That brings me pleasure.
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Because?
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And just on this chew more point, before we started recording, you were... saying that you wouldn't mind if I chewed some nuts and spat them out so you could look at them. Why does chewing more have an impact again, just so I'm clear?
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Okay, so the chewing effect is sending some kind of signal to my brain.
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You're going to eat them? Look at this. Oh, my gosh. So I've got some mixed nuts here, and I've got some cookies, some little pieces of chocolate, and some crisps.
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Okay, makes sense. So on that second point, I've got slow down, chew more, don't eat late at night.
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10 to 12 hour eating window.
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Yeah.
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That's your olive oils and your... Olive oil.
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Okay. Number four?
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And number five?
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So number one was food that brings you pleasure, which is sustainable and allows you to be consistent. Number two is really thinking about how you eat. So slowing down, chewing more, not eating late at night and trying to have a shorter eating window of 10 to 12 hours. Number three was go back to basics, which is high fibre, Whole grains, fruits, healthy oils and overall just a balanced plate.
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And number four is don't think of your nutrition in isolation. So think of it in the context of your exercise, your sleep and all of these other lifestyle factors. And number five.
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so you were talking about this processing something so that i eat it faster and that it doesn't like sort of satiate me or make me feel hungry crisps we're a nation of crisp lovers um when you were saying that about something that makes you eat fast and not realize that you've even eaten or crisps were the first thing that came to mind for me i love a crisp you love a crisp we all love a crisp
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Don't deny yourself anything. So cookies are still on the menu.
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You mentioned perimenopause. You said you're in perimenopause currently. How does that factor into everything we've talked about today? Because I've got this graph here. I found about the menopause transition, which talks about how different sort of things are happening inside the body. You've probably seen this quite a few times before, which I'll put on the screen and link below for anybody.
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But what is the relationship between my diet and my menopause journey? Is there anything to be aware of?
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At what age does this typically occur, the perimenopausal symptoms?
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I would say hot flushes because that seems to be the only time that people talk about hot flushes is when they're talking about menopause in my world. And then I'd say brain fog.
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A recent survey showed that 30% of menopause women are trying herbal remedies, 30% are trying vitamins, and 51% are trying any kind of dietary therapy as an alternative to HRT. That was in iNews, which kind of supports what you're saying, that there's lots of people searching for
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Because I think from the experiences that I've had with people talking to me about menopause, it seems to be an incredibly confusing period of life where you can't make sense of what's happening. And all the old rules of just hit the gym and eat a bit healthier seem to go out the window.
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because there's something deeper at play in your body so it's not that you're not eating right or it's not that you're not sleeping right it's a deeper hormonal fluctuation that you've actually never experienced before so of course you're going to be really confused and um quite easily uh gaslit as well i imagine because you know i've had someone say to me that they felt like they were going crazy and then people started thinking they were just like kind of going crazy a little bit um
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You must be incredibly stressed through that period, but also just thinking about your relationships.
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If you're in a relationship in a heterosexual marriage with a husband who isn't going through that at that period of their life, and you said there was a libido issue that's symptomatic of menopause as well, to navigate all of that and for the people around you to understand what's going on in your head must be incredibly stressful. Incredibly stressful. I like...
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I'm very... I feel very... I don't know what the right words are here, but I feel very sympathetic because I can't imagine... I don't think there's a point in the man's life where we go through such a profound change in our hormones in such a confusing way all of a sudden. So it's like...
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Because if I'm not slept and I'm not feeling sexy, I'm not going to, I'm independent of whether there's like a chemical impact on my hormone levels that causes my lowering of libido. I'm not trying to have sex.
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I want to go to sleep. Yeah, exactly. So even if, you know, and especially I don't feel good. I don't feel sexy. I'm probably, my mood might be altered.
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Yeah, it's not going to be... So what advice do you give to those women going through that? You said that you were on hormone replacement therapy yourself previously. And that's had, I guess, a positive impact on your menopause journey.
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You mentioned something about my brain takes a little while to figure out that I've started eating.
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So if I started smashing these crisps down now, how long would it take my brain to realise that I'd started eating to sort of catch up and make me feel hungry?
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Soy isoflavones?
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I wasn't aware that there was a delay, but it does make sense because there's certain foods that I used to eat, like Pringles and snacks and crisps and things like that, where I feel like I could eat two tubes of the thing before my body even realized what was going on. And are they in some way designed to encourage that speed of eating and
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And if the world is to move forward in a way that is positive in your estimation, how does the world change and improve as it relates to all the subjects we've talked about today? What is that change you wish to see in the world in which you operate?
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A lot of people think the food industry is bad, like it's this sort of evil guy who sat in this boardroom who's just counting money and just pushing whatever these little innocent children will put in their mouths to make them addicted and give them neurodivergence and all kinds of other issues potentially.
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A lot of people feel that the food industry has become this sort of singular entity people think about in the sort of conspiracy theory internet. And you kind of imagine it is like a guy in a boardroom in a suit who's just like cackling and laughing and stuff like that.
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Yeah, I mean, of course. So yeah, when you explain it through how these studies get funded, then it makes a ton of sense. And actually, part of what I was thinking is the government should be doing a little bit more to fund these kinds of studies, because I don't really believe that you're going to get the food industry to work together.
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Because, again, thinking about incentives, if there's one cereal company here and the other here, and they say there's 10 of them... Yeah, how can you get all of them to agree to take... Yeah, the two that don't win, and then they keep their jobs, their companies are successful, they get pats on the back.
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So when we think about health interventions that the government have made over the years that have been super effective... They've come from like policy. Smoking is a good example that I always think about.
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Like the change in smoking in our society because they banned smoking indoors and put things on the packaging and just changed the sort of social narrative and all smoking companies, tobacco companies had to sort of comply at once.
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We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the question that's been left for you is, what is something that you believe that smart people you care about disagree with
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What do you think they might want written on their gravestone instead? You're smirking nervously.
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Is it they're too obsessed with like impact and ego and those kinds of things? Is that what you're saying?
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Perspective.
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Thank you so much, Professor. Congratulations on the Professor. I didn't realise you had the ceremony yesterday. That's an incredible achievement. I know that we're not prioritising anything.
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the achievements as much anymore but it's an incredible thing and it's a credit to the work that you've done and how you've done it over the last 25 years and the broader impact I think you've had on so many millions of people's lives now through now the content you produce but also all of the research that you've done first hand so thank you so much for doing the work that you do thank you for illuminating so many of these subjects to me today I actually sent a message to my team before saying that I've had lots of conversations about nutrition and stuff but the
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The primary research you've done and the research you're continuing to do is so much of it is completely new to me. And that's quite hard when I sit here doing this every day. So it's been an absolute joy speaking to you.
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And also not just from the information standpoint, but from the broader philosophical idea of how one should approach their life and how one can approach their life has been incredibly inspiring. So thank you.
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We shall do it again sometime. Thank you. Do you know that 80% of New Year's resolutions fail by February? It's because we focus too much on the end goal and we forget the small daily actions that actually move us forward. Those actions that are easy to do are also easy not to do in life. It's easy to save a dollar, so it's also easy not to.
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My girlfriend has said to me for many, many a year that I need to eat slower. And I thought it was like a spiritual thing that she's into to do with like giving the food gratitude, et cetera, et cetera. But upon reading your work and having this conversation today, now I'm starting to believe that she was right all along, unsurprisingly, once again.
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And that there is a scientific basis for slowing down how fast I eat.
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What's the sort of knock-on effects there?
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See, I always made this like weird, unfounded evolutionary argument to her. I was like, well, you know, in the wild, you've got to eat what you can. So people eat quick. But we're not in the wild anymore. And the food choices that we have are drastically different now. So...
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I know this.
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You became the world's youngest billionaire at the age of 25. You got Mark Zuckerberg offering you $3 billion.
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So two points there. How do you know when to quit? You've kind of assembled a couple of principles there, but even, I think it's difficult in business because you can be getting lots of negative feedback, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the idea is something that you should quit. Maybe it means you should pivot or iterate or just keep going. But how did you know?
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What were the stars that align that told you to quit that business?
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Was there ever a day where you doubted that decision? Evan Spiegel is the co-founder behind one of the world's biggest social media platforms, Snapchat. He turned disappearing messages into a multi-billion dollar empire, redefining how we connect online.
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And why does that end up mattering so much, that love and passion for the thing that you're building?
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And the other thing you said was – you felt that you should go after a business that didn't take like 18 months, like two years of your time to build before you got it to market. Why is that for entrepreneurs that are listening that maybe have spent years perfecting something in their bedroom that hasn't gone to market yet? Why was that insight so important to you for your next venture?
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I think this is a really interesting point that a lot of founders don't realize that even companies like yours, they start with an initial hypothesis, which is nearly always wrong. But kind of when you hear these stories, you hear like, I had an idea in my basement and then pursued it. And then it became a billion dollar business.
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But there's something in the like humility and the realization that your initial idea might be wildly off and that your job isn't to like be right. It is to be successful. And they're like two different things, right?
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So how did you get past Future Freshman to your next business? What was the journey from there? So you'd met your co-founder at that point, Bobby. And how did you then move over to the idea of Snapchat?
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And was that more than anything a feeling you had? Like a feeling of just, I'm not enjoying doing this every day, opening my emails, thinking about this problem?
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Hmm. Yes, we were very good at not listening to them. I think because of parents and other pressures, right, to continue doing something. So then how did you get from there, from being in Cape Town, to the idea for Snapchats?
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Evan, when you look back over your earliest years and you try and make sense of the dots that connected in hindsight, I guess, as Steve Jobs once said, What are those dots?
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LAURENCE MORONEY- One of the things you said there is that you were using people around you, your friends, to give you feedback on what features you should add next. You said people wanted to write on it and they wanted to add captions. As a founder, that must be quite hard because you're getting lots of feedback to change lots of things all the time.
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How do you know what to filter as good feedback that you'll implement versus a distraction or bad feedback? Is there a framework at all that you've had to deploy?
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So it was a year from the idea to the day when you raised capital for the first time, roughly. Yeah, more or less. And talk me through that. So how much did you raise? How did you go about raising the capital? And what was the business like at that time in terms of users and downloads?
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Do you remember feedback you got from investors at that early stage? I think this is important because all founders are going to get the email that tells them that they're not onto something. Yeah.
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I mean, there's some wisdom in that.
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Because the odds anyway of building a social networking app are extremely low. We were saying before we started recording that you've got to be almost delusional to think that you can.
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In that first year up until the point that you raised that money, did you ever doubt that Snapchat was going to work? And I guess to understand the question a bit more, you almost have to add a goal or ambition to it. So I'm presuming you wanted it to be and thought it could be a company. Did you ever doubt that it would be? Was there anything that ever happened in that first year?
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How and why was it growing? Was it a marketing campaign or was it organic?
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Isn't that crazy that we don't remember? It wasn't that long ago. I know, but we just don't remember. Like, as you were saying, I was like, fuck, yeah, you couldn't, like, send a photo to your friend and talk. I was like, I was still not trying to think of the app that I could have used back then to do that, and there just, like, isn't one. Yeah, but now I'm dating myself, you know, it's terrible.
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Yeah. Okay.
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Did you feel like you fitted in when you were a kid?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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And when did computers come into the picture for you?
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Thank you. Thank you.
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And are these, we said there's eight or nine people. Are they working in isolation within that team or are they working as one team?
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I love this point you were making about the key thing that you've discovered is that the game is more ideas, not trying to find a perfect idea.
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More ideas, more feedback. You increase your failure rate, you get more feedback. It does kind of go contrary to what people think when they're building a business. They think the game is to have the perfect idea.
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Because eventually you learn something, right? You learn that you're not that good at guessing.
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Maximize your rate of learning. Let's go back to those early days. You're in that office. When you think about the people in that photo that were part of the first sort of 20, how important in hindsight is hiring? I think it's everything. I think it's everything.
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Especially for a company that's aspiring to be creative. Absolutely. In everything that it's doing. On this point of hiring, Did you make any hiring mistakes in those early days?
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And what were those mistakes? Not necessarily people, but the frameworks were off or the way that you've hired these people. What caused the mistakes?
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What, what does that feeling teach you?
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What are the other factors? If you were to make a perfect Snapchat employee now, What would their personality be, their psychology, their attributes?
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I just want to pause on that point of kind. Do you make a distinction between someone being nice and being kind? Because in your environment, you also mentioned that you do these critique sessions and you're giving people critical feedback. And if a culture gets a little bit too kind, then isn't that going to inhibit innovation and feedback?
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Leadership values, you said there's three of them.
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And you got bullied. in school, right? Was it sixth grade that you got bullied or was it sometime thereafter?
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And as we proceed with these leadership principles, are you saying that in order to become a leader at Snapchat, you need these three things? Or are you saying everybody at Snapchat needs these three things?
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So if someone's not quite T-shaped, if they're a little bit I-shaped, is there something they can do to become a bit more T-shaped?
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And do you need to be a T-shaped leader at Snapchat now and when there was 10 of you in the bedroom or in your dad's house? Has it always been important or is that a function of being bigger?
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Why?
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Before we move on to the second two, if this Evan could have gone back to the Evan that was running a team of 10 and he could have pulled him aside and said, listen, here's some advice that you're going to need to know about leadership and building this team. The most critical advice I could give you at this time.
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and this is for all the entrepreneurs out there that are building, they're laying the foundations of a potentially very big company right now. What would you have whispered in his ear?
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And when you're back there and you've made a mistake, there's something you've done wrong, In hindsight, did you know? Because one of the things that I think of when I was a first-time founder building a student notice board was I would get feedback, and the feedback would be saying, you're wrong about this, you need to change.
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And I think sometimes there was a part of me that knew, but I was, like, too scared. to act upon it. So I kind of like gaslit myself to just keep going. And I think a lot of founders do that. I know this because they come to me in my portfolio and they say, oh, Steve, there's this guy we've hired and he's been there now for a year and he's just not cutting it.
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I'm like, why the fuck are you telling me? And they're procrastinating, avoiding the conversation, but clearly they know. Clearly they know it's not right.
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Is there anything else you would have said to that younger Evan in your dad's house? Advice?
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Were you confident?
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So do you wish you had... This would have been a pretty remarkable thing to do, but do you wish you had made, like, a culture Bible in the early days? And then... Like, I'm thinking practically... What should a founder do then if they're at that stage when they've got a small team now to prevent what happened to you in terms of the culture becoming a little bit too pick and mix?
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It just doesn't seem like a priority to founders' culture.
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And that's dictated essentially by the incentives of the organization. Because what you said is you basically introduced incentive structures that you're going to be exited or you're going to be promoted.
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What was the worst advice you got in those early years? We talked about some of the good advice and the good advice you'd give now, but was there any like really bad advice that you got that seemed to make sense but was terrible advice?
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You're joking. And they didn't know you were on the call?
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But you do end up getting an offer of a very famous offer when you're 23 years old from Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook.
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How does that story begin? Is it an email, a phone call, an introduction?
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Instagram was sold for a billion, was it? Yeah. A billion, yeah. And WhatsApp was 19 billion roughly. Yeah, I think so. You're 23 years old at that point. You've got Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, offering you a lot of money. I heard that it was $3 billion they offered. Yeah, we never talked about it publicly, but yeah. Is that the number?
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Okay. But did you get an offer?
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I'm trying to understand, as a 23-year-old, if someone offers me $3 billion for an app that I've started, you said you're probably still at your dad's house or in the blue office at that point.
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You're in your dad's house, and someone's offering you $3 billion for an app. What wisdom do you have that enables you to turn that down?
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Did you ever get to meet with Mark or speak to Mark about it?
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And he was keen to buy it?
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I'm just so, I'm so interested to see how those things play out. It's almost, it sounds like something you'd see in a movie where you get this call from someone like Mark Zuckerberg, who's built this massive empire. And it feels like you get summoned. I would imagine you get summoned from your dad's house to come and meet him. And you went to Facebook's offices to meet him, I'm guessing in person.
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And did he tell you that he was going to copy you if you didn't sell?
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And I'm guessing you didn't want to join a big company at that point.
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Was there ever a day where you doubted that decision? No. Not even a moment?
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No. Was, were all of the board supportive?
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I mean, there's a lesson in there as well for founders who are considering taking, as they say, taking some off the table. I got a voice note from her. I was actually listening to it this morning and I responded to her this morning.
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A friend of mine whose business was, I think it was at the top of the market in 2020, was set for an IPO and her board and investors and everyone was telling her that it's going to be a billion dollar business and that she should carry on going. She approached me and asked me if I would buy some shares off her. I took a look at the business and I valued it at a quarter of a million.
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Sorry, a quarter of a billion. So 250 million very different numbers. And her investors around her were telling her it was worth something else. So she'd sent me a voice note, which is now four years later this morning, saying, thank you for that, Stephen, because although we didn't end up doing a deal with you, you put this idea in my head that I could be being...
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basically having a story sold to me. So what I ended up doing a couple of months after our conversation is I sold some shares. And obviously, you know what happened in 2020 with the markets and eventually everything comes crashing down. And she says, I would be losing my mind now because the company's struggling and obviously the markets have changed if I hadn't have taken some off the table.
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I guess that's a principle as well of many of the people that I meet like you is that they're okay with pushing against convention. And, you know, certain moments in your life you make these decisions which one would say are contrarian bets. I can see them all over your story, but... Clearly that was something innate in you from a fairly young age as you look back.
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And she was sending a voice note four years later to say thank you for putting that seed in their head. And I hear the same with you. I hear that you took some money off the table. It changed your decision framework. But also you just never know.
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Are you and Mark friends? You said you know him.
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Those look fun. She tried sometimes. No chance. No chance. By 2014... When you were 24 years old, 40% of US adults were using Snapchat every day. And by 2015, Snapchat was reaching 75 million users on a monthly basis. At that point, what's life like for you as a CEO, as a founder?
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2014, 2015. You became the world's youngest billionaire at the age of 25, just four years after launching Snapchat, with an estimated net worth of $4 billion at the time.
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But then how would you make time to see each other? Do you need to put systems in place to make sure that you're not just both at the office the whole time?
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What role does she play in giving you feedback?
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Is there any tough feedback that she shared with you that you can share with me?
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My girlfriend says that to me. Because I think sometimes I fail to context switch out of work, Steve, to then... And, you know, because you'll be getting emails and texts at home sometimes and my girlfriend might come up and she might say something and the way I respond is almost how I would respond as if I was at the office. And it just... And I have to say, she's always right.
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And having an empathy and a kindness. And you've had four children as well, which is something that I've not had. So for me, that's an extra responsibility on top of the rocket ship of Snapchat, the relationship, and now four kids as well. Yeah, but it's the greatest thing in the world to have kids.
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How do you both juggle the four children, the businesses, the relationship?
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I saw your LinkedIn page. I saw your bio. Do you know what I'm going to say? I think so, yeah. In your LinkedIn bio, it says that you're the, I think, VP of product at Meta.
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That must piss you off. Like I can sit on a podcast and I can say, no, I wouldn't be bothered. You know, the thing is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But no, that would piss me off because you just told me that there's a lot of people that are going to great creative lengths to think of these ideas. They're having thousands of ideas. You're fighting to find one.
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And then you have that moment where you present it to the world. The world says, this is interesting. You know, the guy that came up with it, you sit next to him.
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It's a really interesting time, I think, to be a CEO generally because I think even 10, 15 years ago, CEOs of major companies that so many people use and love weren't doing podcasts. They would maybe release press releases and their marketing team would kind of run the comms. But there's been this almost big shift towards leadership transparency.
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Did you ever consider sending Mark an email or a message or a phone call when they first started copying some of your core features like the story feature?
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Do you feel a sense of injustice when someone steals your idea like that?
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Thank you.
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Now our leaders are like expected to be glass boxes.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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So you went off to university. You went to Stanford University, which is an incredible university. And you went to ultimately try and pursue product design at Stanford. Why did you choose product design at that stage in your life? What was it that was calling you about that course?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Is there an issue that if you're geographically based in Los Angeles or California, then your content moderation perspective is going to be very left-leaning versus if you're based in a red state? and that might not be representative of the world, or do you just not care? Do you just think, well, these are our values as a company, so...
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Why do you think Meta have rolled back their moderation policies?
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If you don't moderate content, does engagement go up?
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How are you feeling about the social media landscape? It's changed so much in the last six months. It's just, not even six months, I'd say 12 months since I think Elon bought Twitter, now called X. It's almost like this domino effect has happened in terms of content moderation, in terms of the types of voices on social media, in terms of this big movement around censorship and free speech.
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There's also been this splintering of social media where lots of people are now like leaving certain platforms and going to blue sky and threads. And, you know, Rumble was the only sort of big right-leaning platform just a couple of years ago. And now, I don't know, it seems like it's all changing before our eyes.
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Are you optimistic? about the next four years in America? I'm incredibly optimistic about our country.
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What is product design for someone like me that has no idea what they teach in such a course? Is it because my head says designing physical products?
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Your oldest child is 14, you said. He's at that age now where he's going to be getting increasing pressures to join social media. Are you going to let him join Instagram?
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There's so much conversation at the moment around the impact that social media has on kids, anxiety, all of the sort of toxic things around comparison and – becoming more isolated. Have you developed an agreement with your wife, with your kids, with your family about social media usage going forward?
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Even if Finn says, I want to watch, I want TikTok dad. That might be a bridge too far. Because TikTok's like, I don't even use TikTok myself personally because it's, from what I hear, it's like crack cocaine for people. They're just on there for like three or four hours a day scrolling mindlessly. If Finn came home and said, I want to use TikTok, Dad, you'd say no?
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But the growth of Snapchat was atypical, to say the least. It was like this virus, and it was reaching 75 million users on a monthly basis. So I wondered if you had any advice on the fundamental principles of success.
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TikTok was going to be banned and then Trump swooped in and seemed to save the day. Is that a good thing? As a CEO of Snapchat, was part of you hoping that it was banned because then maybe more people would come over and use Snap? Did you think about that?
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Did you learn entrepreneurship through this time as well? Because I think in your sophomore year, you took a class on entrepreneurship in venture capital, right?
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It sounds like Trump wants to buy it. which was a very interesting suggestion. And it's worrying because it sets a bit of a precedence that potentially an app like Snapchat, the UK might decide, listen, we don't know if we can trust you because you're an American. So we want to buy the UK version in order for you to have Snapchat be in the UK. That could set a worrying precedence around the world.
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Snapchat eventually goes public. Running a public company is difficult, to say the least, because the share price can go up and down really irrespective of what you're doing and what you're building. And it's really a reflection of the broader market, people's emotions and vibes. But you have to manage that as a CEO. Not easy, I imagine.
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When I think about sitting in your shoes or sitting in your seat, I think about all the things you could do. As a public company, I think you could do anything. You could go after any game. And at some point, as you kind of said there when you used the word painfully, you're going to have to make a decision to focus on something.
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And even at the level I'm at with the businesses I run and so on, the hardest thing for me is, especially when you're somewhat creative, et cetera, is to pick something. And to say no to everything else. And I've looked at your philosophy and I know saying no and focus is so central to your sort of leadership style, but also how you think as an entrepreneur.
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Tell me about those painful moments where you had to kill something that you didn't want to kill.
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Do you remember anything you took away from those classes that ended up being really important for you in terms of an idea or a philosophy or anything?
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So how do you think about what to go after? There's all these new technologies. There's these buzzwords. There's AI now. There's... there's VR, there's headsets, there's wearables, there's all these things. How do you decide what bet is your bet?
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And you also don't know the time horizon for when the world will sufficiently change in the direction that your bet has been placed. I think about Google Glass, which was, I don't even know when, it was like a decade ago that people were saying, okay, we're going to be wearing glasses and Google had this Google Glass thing and it just seemed to like vanish and disappear.
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And then I think about when Meta bought Oculus and we thought, okay, no, so this is now when everyone's going to be wearing VR headsets and it's still kind of not really happened. So you could make a bet, you could be right, but you could be 15 years off.
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And Meta launched the Ray-Ban ones, which I've heard about. I think I watched the video of it, which seemed to be, again, copying Snapchats.
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Artificial intelligence has become, I mean, the most talked about technology over the last couple of years, as it's, in many respects, thanks to ChatGPT. How are you... thinking about the future of artificial intelligence in terms of how it's going to fundamentally change human connection. You've got four boys.
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You must be thinking about, you know, we talked about earlier, the kind of jobs that are going to exist in the future. There's a big narrative saying that knowledge jobs like lawyer and accountant aren't going to be the same. In fact, even when you think about how your kids are going to be educated, your youngest child is one years old.
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Are they going to go to a school or are they going to go to a large language model? How are you thinking about that future? Are you scared?
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I was wondering the other day when I was using ChatGPT or one of the programs a couple of days ago, I was wondering if I'm going to get worse at writing because this thing's now doing it for me. And writing is such a wonderful way to think and understand. So therefore, am I going to get worse at like understanding things?
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Because I'm now deferring the process of thinking through something logically to this computer. Whereas back in the day, I would have to like really think deeply about what I was trying to say myself.
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Interesting. I've not thought about that. I don't know if I'm getting better. I don't really know. Because there's always a trade-off with new technology. And the problem, as we saw with social media, is we often don't discover the trade-off.
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until 15 years 20 years time when it's really weird it's ugly head because it's slow then it's fast so i'm trying to understand if you're looking around the corner or looking over the horizon now to think through the trade-off of us hurtling into something which just like social media made something better faster cheaper easier but came with a unintended consequence
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You know, like you're in that startup phase, you're in your dad's bedroom phase, where you're scrappy and you're growing quickly, then you went to the blue office. you had meteoric growth, you had the IPO. What season is Snapchat in as we sit here today in 2025? How would you summarize it if you had to poetically describe the psychology of the business now?
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I've always wondered what they teach at Stanford, especially as it relates to business, because the success rate of creating some of the world's sort of preeminent entrepreneurs is really, really high. So you're telling me one of the key ideas is big ambitions, right?
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Have you had any acquisition offers since that conversation with Mark Zuckerberg once upon a time. Do people still try and buy the company like these days?
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Another thing that I admired when I was reading about the way you run Snapchat is this idea of having a council. Oh, amazing. Wow, okay. Can you tell me about this? Because I might want to steal.
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What is the essence of it? It's just get a small team in a certain department around a table and let everybody speak from the heart, listen from the heart, and be spontaneous? Yes.
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As a leader, how do you know in those situations whether to listen to your team or not to listen to your team? Because, you know... It sounds quite risky for a founder, I'm not saying this is what you do, but for a founder to run their company on consensus, i.e. making sure everybody agrees on something.
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And we're actually seeing this in the post-pandemic world with this whole like remote work debate where some companies originally were, okay, everybody's going to be remote. And then it went back to a lot of companies are like, no, come back into the office. And I mean, if you ask a team, they're probably not going to all say, let's run back to the office. But as a CEO, you have to make a call.
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So in my head, I go, well, if it's really, really big, then the chance of failure is probably going to go up. So, you know, I could open a coffee shop, right? And my chance of success is pretty decent. But if I go after building a new social network, which is something only a psychopath would do, then my odds of success are, what, one in a gazillion?
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And what is the remote policy with Snap at the moment?
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Okay. And did you ever move on that? Was there ever a moment in the pandemic where you thought...
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How was that received?
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For any entrepreneurs that are out there now listening to our conversation, and they're at the very beginning of their journey, and they're thinking about so many different things, so many different problems, their products aren't working, their customers are complaining. When you think about the principles of being successful as an entrepreneur that are transferable across all industries...
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Have you defined what those principles are in your mind to be successful in any endeavor? We talked about some of them already. We said about culture, we said about hiring. Is there anything else that you've come to learn in your wisdom that entrepreneurs like me should be thinking a lot about as fundamental principles of success?
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Can you care too much? I don't think so. Sounds stressful, though, caring that much. I thought in your book you talk about – Don't talk about my book. I'm not disagreeing. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
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No, no, no. It's a good point. Something I was going to ask you about is the stress of being you and do you have techniques to manage that stress, especially running a public company? I just think it's psychotic.
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Do you celebrate? Do you get really happy when you have professional moments where, I don't know, you launch a new feature and it's well-received? Do you get really happy?
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I wonder if there's an element of defense to this, because I was speaking to a lot of founders recently and they were telling me how they've over time and with maturity, they almost just developed this calm within all the chaos where they're not moved up or down.
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And some of them make the case to me that if you are moved up by something that happens externally, it's impossible, therefore, not to be moved down when something bad happens externally. So founders developed this almost like coldness to them.
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Thank you.
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Interesting. So the question that most of us, especially in the UK, we often don't think about building businesses that have the potential to reach huge scale. In part because we don't have as much of a robust, I think, technical track record in terms of building great unicorn tech companies in Europe. as you guys do over here.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Especially as being a younger CEO, I think that's probably even more important than it is for other people to be able to have that self-awareness and humility to say, I don't know all the answers because you started this company at bloody what, like 21 years old, 22 years old. So you've never done running a public company before.
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So I think humility is probably even more important for someone like you. At that stage, I'm right.
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But have you lost that now?
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That is so true. Thinking about my investment portfolio, there's about 40 different companies there. And almost every single one of them without really an exception, has adopted the approach of, we'll crack the UK first and then we'll go and figure out the US. But in that transition to the US, they encounter tons of challenges with how expensive it is to succeed here, like marketing costs here.
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Evan, what is the, this is my last question. What is the most important question for entrepreneurs that are listening to this conversation now based on everything that you know and have done that will help them that I didn't ask?
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Evan, thank you so much. Thank you so much for doing this today. I know you don't do a ton of podcasts, so I was particularly honored that you'd come and sit here with me, and hopefully it wasn't a nerve-wracking experience.
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I'm going to try and make some progress here. I'm so keen to know who in your life has been nudging you to get out there more, because there must be someone.
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Well, thank you so much. And it's so wonderful to get to know you more and understand how you're thinking about all of these things. And thank you for the wisdom that all of the entrepreneurs, the founders that are listening to this conversation have gained from you.
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And I do encourage you to do more of this kind of thing because there's so many of us that are so curious about the ups, the downs, and everything in the middle of being an entrepreneur, building a company like you have in a world that is changing at absolute light speed.
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So it's a real service to all of us to get to know you, to get to know the thinking of the company, but also to be able to learn from the experience you've had. And I'm really excited now to go and try these spectacles. Awesome. Let's do it. We launched these conversation cards and they sold out. And we launched them again and they sold out again. We launched them again and they sold out again.
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Because people love playing these with colleagues at work, with friends at home, and also with family. And we've also got a big audience that use them as journal prompts. Every single time a guest comes on the Diary of a CEO, they leave a question for the next guest in the diary.
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And I've sat here with some of the most incredible people in the world, and they've left all of these questions in the diary. And I've ranked them from one to three in terms of the depth, one being a starter question and level three, if you look on the back here, this is a level three, becomes a much deeper question that builds even more connection.
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If you turn the cards over and you scan that QR code, you can see who answered the card and watch the video of them answering it in real time. So if you would like to get your hands on some of these conversation cards, go to thediary.com or look at the link in the description below.
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I want to know what they teach at Stanford because the success rate of creating some of the world's preeminent entrepreneurs is really, really high.
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If they're in retail, how difficult it is to get into Target or Walmart here. Also, the founders end up building their lives, their families in the UK, which means that the founders can't really, you know, uproot and move to the US later in the journey. So most of them try the US, waste a ton of money, get burnt, run back. And then I've seen that story play out over and over again.
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When you think about penetrating these international markets, do you send core team members there?
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And in some cases that's by 25% and in other environments that's up to 100%. Your probability of then getting a
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disciplinary against you just because you sat next to that person radically increases and this is I think reinforces the case that your environment is has such a powerful and profound impact on you for better or for worse and I think the for better part is also worth pausing on because if you're sitting with and you're around people that are lifting you and elevating you and making you believe that the world is malleable and you can do anything as I've experienced in my own life at times it's crazy that that almost like rewires the neurons in your brain to some degree
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Do you know what? This is a really interesting question. Vibes. And everything else in my life, I'll tell you data science or this or here's my framework. But there's some things in life which I think your intuition and your vibes, if you've developed the skill of tuning in enough, is the best indicator.
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And if you look back through my career at 18, dropping out of university, even at 16, not going to school, 2020, At 20, leaving a business that was going really well. And then at 27, quitting a business that was all over the world and about to do this major second IPO, all this stuff. In all of those moments, the most important thing wasn't my prefrontal cortex.
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It wasn't logic or facts or figures or the money. It was purely this feeling inside me that I no longer wanted to do this thing because it didn't feel good anymore. And in the moment, you look insane. But when you zoom out on a person's life who's driven by that voice inside, like really driven by it, you go, oh my God, what a life that they have. Amazing.
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Look at the girlfriend they have and the place they live and the stuff they have and the job they have. They're so lucky. But I actually think it starts with that like courage to tune into that voice inside. So that's my answer. It's just pure vibes. People for me just don't feel good, don't want to go. And then careers I've had is a year where I go, I don't like doing this anymore.
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That's me done. And there's another part, which is on the other end of that is uncertainty. Because in all those situations, there was really no plan B. There was no good plan B.
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Yeah.
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Because of what other people might say about me. Because how I will look. to the world, and from there, from that conclusion, you then jump to, and then they will reject me, and then I'll be alone, and then I'll be lonely, then I'll die. That's kind of like the logical downward step. I always find that interesting.
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I had this conversation with my girlfriend yesterday, which is, it's interesting how one belief is actually connected to like a string of downstream beliefs that then go to, he doesn't love me. And this is such a random tangent, but me and my girlfriend were like scheduling our calendar for the future that we're going to be apart for a little while.
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So she wanted to like schedule the dates and I was like really busy with something. And so I wasn't like paying as much attention to the scheduling conversation and she got a little bit upset. And I found it so interesting because the fact that I was half paying attention to the scheduling conversation actually told her that I'm not interested in her, which means I don't love her.
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And so afterwards I turned to her and I said, can you explain to me like how I made you feel in that situation? And I went, why? Why? Every time she answered, why? Why? And we got right down there. You don't love me. And it all started with this little thing at the top.
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And I think the same here where if I do something and it goes wrong, there's like a downstream consequence in someone's subconscious that leads them to think, then I'm going to be exiled from the tribe. Do you know what I mean? That's like at the root of it. That's why I think fear, you know, when you talk so much about fear and becoming fearless.
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Okay, living fearlessly. What's the distinction?
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In your own words, how do you summarize or define that? What is it that you think you're doing for people with the content, the books you've written, etc. ?
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And on that point of gut instinct, which you mentioned a second ago, is there a way, do you think, to train and develop your gut instinct? Because you strike me as someone that has a pretty astute gut instinct that you trust, but some people don't. And what ends up happening is they just end up living in regret that they didn't listen to their gut instinct.
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And they only find out after the fact, after they've been mistreated. So I'm wondering if there's a way to cultivate a better relationship with one's intuition and gut instinct.
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You're going to end up getting a lot of unsolicited advice though. You know, this is, we all do. We get, when we're making, trying to make those big life decisions, we'll have someone who, we didn't even ask them, but people will be chipping in, telling you what to think of yourself.
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And there's an element almost, I guess, of being able to develop stronger boundaries in your life so that you can keep the outside world outside.
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Why?
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If you say that to her and you ask her to justify why she's doing that, she might say, well, I'm just not sure. I just wanted to hear other people's opinions. I just don't know.
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Clearly she doesn't trust herself, though.
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That woman in that example, what does she ultimately need to do? Because I can imagine in her world, she's not certain about any path. So she's got 20% certainty about going in this direction, 30% certainty about going in that direction apparently, and maybe 40% about going in that direction. And then the rest is just a little bit of confusion and procrastination and fear.
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What does she actually have to do?
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There's no perfect choice, Evie.
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The interesting thing within our personal lives that I think causes such procrastination versus business is in business, especially if you're in a startup, if you don't make a choice, or even like I imagine in the Secret Service, like if you don't make a choice, there is an immediate consequence.
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Whereas in your life, you can kind of meander for a year, three years, five years, and just sit and procrastinate. Whereas like in a Secret Service situation, when Trump is being shot at meandering for five years, as a Secret Service agent, I imagine isn't possible.
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Which is having like a framework for what to do next.
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And when you get DMs from people in private messages, what is it the essence of what they're coming to you for?
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So how did they train you as a secret service agent to have that instrumental mindset?
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I remember I interviewed Jocko Willick and he said pretty much a very similar thing to me. He said in the SAS or the Navy SEALs, when you're lost, you're not going to get any new information if you just stay where you are. So you have to just move. Even if you don't know which direction, movement generates information, which then can inform a better decision.
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And you're kind of saying the same thing there, which is if you're stuck, you need to just get into kinesis, make a decision, start moving, and then you'll learn at least something.
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So it becomes addictive.
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What is the essence of what they're struggling with?
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Being stuck and in that place of victimhood or fear or procrastination, do you think that victimhood is addictive?
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What's the reward in that habit cycle then?
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As a woman secret service agent, when you first went into service, I imagine there was a sort of institutional sexism. Just thinking about that era, that time, where people would look at you and think, well, as a woman, there wasn't as many women in the Secret Service, so maybe she's someone that I can push down. Maybe she's someone who I can make the odd comment to.
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Maybe I could create a power dynamic where I'm above her. Did that ever happen? And if it did happen, how did you deal with it?
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And you were protecting the Bush family.
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Really?
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Zero percent?
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I mean, some people literally have designed their life to fight buffoons.
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I need to understand here something, which is on one hand, I've got to be protecting my boundaries, right? Don't let people fuck with me. On the other hand, don't make someone's prejudice my problem and don't bitch and complain. Are these mutually excluded? Are these like two separate ideas or is it like context dependent?
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Because, you know, if I'm protecting my boundaries, my boss calls me in and tells me that I'm going to be doing the interior design job, potentially because I'm a woman. is not protecting my boundaries in that situation going, fuck you, and calling him out.
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She now teaches people how to develop mental strength and persuasive communication skills. How did they train you as a Secret Service agent to have that strong mental foundation that you have?
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For a lot of people, the action they take following a situation like that is so quick and almost like so automatic.
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Yeah, that they just wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. And then they might relax later and go, fucking hell, why did I say that? I've ruined my life.
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Not the monkey inside your brain.
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How do I train the monkey inside my brain over time? Because you said you didn't, you used to be less regulated, right? You used to make more emotional decisions. And over time, you've come to be able to make those very rational, like prefrontal cortex decisions.
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Okay.
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Not to reveal your upcoming book, but I know that one of the 100 principles in that book is called... 100 Rules of Engagement.
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Is that letting them win, though?
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Because they'll be at the office with their posters up of these women and they'll be like, yeah, we got rid of her.
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Lie detector tests.
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A lot of people will listen to this and they'll relate to the feeling of being subtly disrespected on a recurring basis by individuals in their life, whether it's their romantic partner, whether it's a colleague at work, whether it's someone else that they interact with.
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And so many people, I've seen this in some of the questions I get sent in, are keen to understand how to deal with someone that is disrespecting you. You know, because I guess there's a train of thought that would say when they disrespect you, you kind of argue and engage and try and shout them down and try and win.
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But if you are being subtly disrespected in your own life by someone, what do you recommend that they do?
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Okay, so let's play out a scenario.
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And in this scenario, I'm going to make us peers. So we work together, right? We work together in a call center. This is actually something that happened to me when I was in the early sort of phase of my career where I was working in call centers. So I was like answering phones and doing that kind of thing and selling things on the phone, et cetera.
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And I remember being sat next to someone who was like subtly disrespecting me all the time. And at this point in my life, I wasn't, in any position of authority to do anything about it.
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It's funny because that one instance has completely shaped my leadership perspective and my real deep belief that I have a responsibility as the founder of the company or CEO to go in search of and clamp out all disrespect in an organization that is happening beneath me because You're often powerless at work to do anything about it. And I felt that.
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I couldn't stop this lady that sat next to me disrespecting me because I wasn't her boss. So now that I have the responsibility, it's a big thing for me that we don't employ assholes and dickheads. And there's actually a recent example where someone was in our business for a total of... A couple of hours. And actually in my previous company, there was a guy that walked in during his initiation.
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He went like this and walked off. Day one of his job, he put both middle fingers up after his initiation, where initiation, we basically ask them questions, ask them what they're into, who they are, put both middle fingers up and walked off. It was the last time anyone saw him in the building. And because it was a sign of a character issue that would lead to further disrespect.
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So if I'm sat next to you at work, Evie, we're colleagues, and you come in in the morning and I go, oh, first time you've been on time. And then you do some work and I go, not bad considering your standard. And then you're in a meeting and you're talking and I just interrupt you and you submit a piece of work and I look at it and I turn my nose up.
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And you hear me talking shit about you behind your back when people aren't there, me criticizing your work and how you are and your delivery. How are you going to deal with that situation?
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Okay, so we're in a group. We're all on the calls in my call center.
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Okay, fine. So this is what happens. This is not actually what happened in my life. Did you do this? No, no, no, no, no. Thank me. I didn't do anything. I just wanted the money. I was trying to just survive. I couldn't feed myself. So I wasn't going to open my mouth, but we're in a call center and I've disrespected you for a while now.
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And then I turned to you and I go, and you've just come off a call and I go, you know what? You should have, you could have done that better. You didn't close that properly, Evie. And I, you know, next time you do a call and you get stuck like that, just speak to me and I'll take the call off you. Just tell them that your colleague will handle it. And I carry on with my day.
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What are you going to do in that moment?
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I think part of it is also is I was very young and I didn't have the tools to address that situation. The problem is the situation made coming to work a misery. And this version of myself, irrespective of my financial situation, would have. And even today, because even today, okay, I have money, I have security, but I'm still playing at a certain level where there's disrespect potential. Yeah.
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I actually have a really good example that I could never share as someone that I work with who's extremely successful. We work on a particular project together and I found out that this was happening and they were basically threatened by me because for a variety of reasons, this is what I was told by an intermediary.
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And I chose a moment when I heard that they had just disrespected me within a short period of time. And I walked in in front of a group of people and I said to them, I said, I heard what you did out there in the hallway when I wasn't there. And in the future, if you want to say something to me, I'd really appreciate it. You said it to my face instead of behind my back.
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And it's crazy what happened. It's crazy what happened. This really big, tough, powerful individual turned into a toddler in front of my eyes. Oh, what? No, I didn't say. And I left the room. And then it never happened again.
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Yeah, because on that project, I'm not the one that's got the power. I can still be fired from that particular project.
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Yeah, because I don't want to be anywhere where I'm miserable.
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And he was a peer?
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I think you're right. Now I reflect on the incident that I described to you. I don't actually think I was that composed. I didn't shout. I was very articulate, looked them in the eyes without breaking eye contact. But actually, if I was really composed, I would have done what you did, which is I would have said, please can I have a private chat with you?
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And I actually think it would have been more effective and would have shown more of my sort of... to have that conversation privately. The other thing that you said, which I thought was so important in the context of what we're saying, is you do have to point at a specific incident because these individuals, they are masters of gaslighting you.
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So if you don't have specifics, that just happened in that location and it made me feel like this and you said this, If you let it ride and you come to them with vibes, they will so easily twist it.
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You said something a second ago about bullies, right? And there's this fascinating thing I've come to learn about bullies and people that are like this type of disrespect, is they're actually going in search of the weakest link.
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And the incredible thing that happened in the scenario that I'm describing is once this individual realized that I would literally call it out and I was off the table, they never treated me like that again, but... they moved on. They moved on to someone else that I work with.
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A second ago, you talked about how victims stay victims, right? And this whole idea of becoming a bulletproof person, because regardless of what we do in our lives, bad things are going to happen. We're going to encounter narcissists and people that are looking to take advantage of us. There's a certain mental fortitude that you exude. You exude a certain type of mental resilience and strength.
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And that person, as we sit here today, is thinking of leaving that environment because of the same person who was making the little slight comments about me is now doing it about them. And I say to this person, I say, why don't you just do what I did? Because she saw me confront. I say to her, why don't you go just do what I did? And she just says, I haven't got it. I don't want conflict.
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Yeah, and she's going to leave, something that she loves doing, purely, she called me the other day, purely because this person's making her feel a certain way.
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With that in mind, how do I stop myself becoming prey to a predator?
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What is the foundation? And I think that's really critical because if you have that strong internal foundation, then everything else we're probably going to talk about today becomes much easier and possible. But without that strong foundation, when the wind blows, the house falls over. So if we think about step one in building that strong mental fortitude foundation that you have,
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Where does one begin? And especially if we're beginning from a very, very bad place. We're beginning from a place of victimhood. Bad things have happened. We're not the most confident person.
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Do you think your life would have gone differently and you would be sat here now if you spoke differently in the high-pitch, fast way that... I wouldn't be doing news.
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No, but it's interesting because it's part of the delivery. When you're saying something, a second ago you were going, and you were doing slow hand movements that are almost illustrating the point you're making. And it is persuasive because it almost is adding another layer of emphasis to what you're saying.
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Whereas if your hands were just tucked under the table, I actually might think you were less confident or sure in what you're saying. But because you're like, again, it goes to what you were saying, you're taking more space up.
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They put their hands away.
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And it's not because they're going from their natural state of flow and whatever to more calculated and they're like overthinking.
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A second ago when you were talking about the study in New York where they examined how people walk and tried to figure out who walks like prey. I was wondering, as you said that, I was thinking, can you fake it? Because presumably how we walk is quite a subconscious thing. And it comes from, as you said, like the things we've been through in our life and who we've come to believe that we are.
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So after I heard that, do I just go out on the street and start walking with a bit more status and with my shoulders back? Or am I still going to fail at some point? This is, I think, when I remember when I was younger and I started learning about psychology and human behavior and stuff,
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Even though I knew the information, I think there was probably 990 other things that I was getting wrong that were projecting low value or come disrespect me or I actually don't have a high sense of self-esteem that I couldn't see.
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So if I can control this one little thing, it doesn't necessarily mean the other 999 things that matter in non-verbal communication are going to be aligned if I'm not truly believing that I'm confident and high value in myself. So fake it till you make it or do you have to do some inner work?
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How do we get there? How did you get there?
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I completely agree. I mean, like, obviously running businesses and stuff is a prime example where you're just getting fucking great news or bad news all the time. And to even try and move emotionally with whatever the news is today in your inbox would just be, I'd be like keeled over on the floor dead. However... There's so many people that are listening that would say, Evie, I agree.
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But my nervous system just seems to run the shop. Like I just seem to just get dragged around by good things and bad things. And I catastrophize when something bad goes wrong. And I just, I know what you're saying is true, Evie, but like, how do I get there? What's like, what's step one in becoming that person that isn't swung up and down on the rollercoaster of life?
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I think what's really interesting as well in that cancel-cancel example is you're almost talking to someone and that person is yourself. And as you were saying, I was thinking, yeah, I think the fundamental underlying belief that you demonstrate and that that person's demonstrating is that they are not their thoughts. It's like they're talking to someone else.
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Whereas most of us go through our life thinking that our thoughts are us. So if my brain starts going, oh my God, this is going to go so badly and then it's going to happen like this and then I'm going to lose my job. And you think that's yourself. And you don't think you could have a conversation with that voice. You know what I'm saying?
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I remember speaking to Mo Gordat on the podcast and he says that he's named his brain Becky so that he can do that, so that he can kind of detach from the thoughts. And so he'll say, Becky, I have a conversation with Becky, which I think is kind of smart now I think about it. It's not a bad way of detaching from your toxic thoughts.
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There's an element of what you just said there, though, that raises another question, which is there's a reason why they were doing explosions in training. Because they are trying to fully simulate and put you through the real-world examples that you're going to go through so that you develop some resilience.
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And I was thinking then, you know, we can talk about tactics and tricks and tips to do this all we like, but... You've literally had to go through it in order to be able to deal with it. That's like the essence of the training you described.
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So is there not an element of this, everything we're saying here, where unfortunately you're just going to have to go through some shit in life to develop the thick skin? Because even when I think about my career in business, I think if I had heard on a podcast someone telling me, oh, when bad shit happens, just back in, you know, like stay in the middle.
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I don't think it would have been enough to prepare me for the reality of the situation when you've got, say, 500 employees and you've got to pay them all tomorrow and you look at the bank and it says zero. And you've got clients emailing you, giving you shit for this or this, whatever. Or when our company got hacked in the early days.
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all of my clients my biggest clients in the world biggest brands in the world all got personalized abusive emails about their appearance at 3am in the morning that was apparently from my business partner's email it was apparently meant to go to my PA but accidentally got sent to them and waking up on that morning as a 23 24 year old there's really no words that can prepare me for that but because I've been through it I could go through it again and I wonder how much of this is actually in life you're just gonna have to go through some difficult shit because you've been through difficult shit
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And is that in the real world, best friends, husbands, wives?
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Sorry, just to pause there because that was an important point for me. Why don't you like to use the word survive?
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Why?
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I can see it in your face as you talk. And it's making me curious as to why this is so personal.
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There's a story here you're not telling me, I feel like.
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Why do they stay in that space, in your opinion?
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Why don't they want to listen? Like, why aren't they listening?
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Yes. And I was reading something over Christmas, which is really front of mind. And I think it's part of why I'm so interested in this subject. It was called The Courage to be Disliked. And in the opening chapter of the book, it confronts this... It's this kid basically arguing with this philosopher. And the kid is saying to the philosopher kind of exactly what we've said.
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No, I'm a victim of my life, the things that happened to me, my trauma. This is the way that I am, and I don't believe I can change. And the philosopher's making the case to the kid that you can in fact change.
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And really the, like, insight, the thing the philosopher ends up saying to this kid, which spun my brain for a while and is still spinning my brain a little bit, is this idea that what happened to us doesn't determine our lives, but... We use what happened to us to achieve a goal that we have today.
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Now, to put this into like a practical real example, if I am a kid that is 27 years old and I'm still in my mum's basement and I'm not going out there and getting a job, I might say, yeah, I want a job, but actually being in my mum's basement is actually serving me in some way. And it might seem to be self-destructive to someone looking in, but my mum's bringing me my food.
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They finally show me attention. If I change, I lose the sympathy. If I change, I lose the attention. And actually, this attention has gotten a little bit addictive. This sympathy, this place of victimhood has gotten a little bit addictive to me in a way that I don't even know, in a way that's actually self-destructive in the near term and the long term.
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But at some subconscious level, I'm actually addicted to my pain and suffering. And it's funny because when I was... So I read the book and then I started writing because I like to read things and then try and write them into my own language and... I started thinking about someone in my own life.
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And it's just, I finally figured out this individual in my life that's been in my life for a long time, who, when you look at the actions, you go, they're ruining their own life. But when you dig deeper into their identity, Being a heroic victim is everything to them.
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And actually, if this person walked into this room now and introduced themselves, it would take 60 seconds for them to get to a story of how they've been hard done by and how they've overcome it. But this means that help, aid, good decisions have had to always be secondary to protecting this narrative that they're a victim.
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And actually, sorry to be on a bit of a rant here, at one point they were a victim. At one point, objectively, they went through some really horrific, horrible things. but the predator's gone now. So now they're looking for a predator and it's ruined their entire life.
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It's ruined their home, their family, their financials, because even when good things come by, good people come by, they find a way to make this person a predator and they find a way to make them the heroic victim. And so it really shifted my brain about like even my own trauma and the narratives and this hero story I tell about myself. I'm like, maybe I'm using what happened to me to serve a
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a goal I have today of projecting to the world that I am filling the gap, whatever gives me validation and, you know, reinforcement from people. So anyway.
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It reminds me of what you were saying earlier about identity, and I was thinking of something I read recently that said, words to the effect of, people would go to great lengths to destroy things, including themselves, before they dare edit their own identity. There's a real element of truth in that. You're talking about identity and instrumental mindsets, and
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I wonder if there's a real risk to developing an identity, because you've got an identity now. Secret service agent, NYPD, strong woman, doesn't take shit, says it how it is.
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And I've got great empathy and sympathy because defense can become someone's personality, especially if at a young age defense was their survival.
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On our previous conversation, funnily enough, the most replayed moment in the conversation was where you talk about the dangers of victimhood.
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Yeah, the most replayed moment.
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I was quite surprised.
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Do you think people just tend to know? Like in their gut, they tend to know, but they justify the person's behavior and they almost kind of gaslight themselves to some degree. They say, well, maybe not, maybe that's fine. Maybe they are a friend. Maybe they're just doing that for my best interest.
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There's something really interesting. I mean, there's so many interesting things you said there.
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I mean, the two kind of highlight points for me were this idea of play the long game of just trying to serve other people and you'll achieve your objectives versus trying to do the short-term game of maybe being nicey and caring too much about how you appear, which might help you maybe in the moment, but it's almost a form of long-term sabotage.
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And I guess this brings me to the question, which is like, Should we try and make people like us?
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Whereas really that bad actor is acting in their interests and kind of gaslighting you and then you're gaslighting yourself.
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You seem to be a big fan of being authentic, right? As a person.
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I was watching your BBC Maestro recording, which by the way is fantastic. And I highly recommend anybody who hasn't seen it to go and check it out. It's basically like a, it takes everything you're saying, it kind of turns it into a bit of a course.
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And there was a line you said in it, which I thought was quite interesting, which is, I wish you as much rejection as possible because that will increase your self-confidence. Are you also saying that in the BBC Maestro piece that confidence is the number one thing you get asked about? I wish you as much rejection as possible.
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That kind of goes back to what we were saying earlier about how going through difficult shit is the best way to build a thicker skin. But who on earth wants to go through rejection? Who on earth, what kind of psychopath is going to self-elect to go through rejection?
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On that point of better understanding yourself, the other thing I found was this thing you talk about, which is the animal wheel, which is a framework that helps people understand themselves by finding out what their communication style is. I'll put this animal wheel on the screen for people that are watching on video.
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But for people that can't see because they're listening on Spotify or Apple or somewhere else, can you explain to me what this animal wheel is?
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So on this wheel, the reason why it's a wheel is because the behavior that I'm getting is on the outside and the response that I should give them is the thing on the inside. Is that right? Yeah.
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So how do I know using this wheel which response I should give? So you're telling me that on the outside of the wheel is the bad version of that animal, and on the inside of the wheel is the good version of that animal. How do I find which response to give based on the behavior?
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T-Rex, so attacking, punitive, sarcastic.
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I mean, you see that a lot with bad cops, right? So they pull someone over to arrest them and the person becomes a T-Rex that they're trying to arrest. They start insulting them. And then the cop ends up getting a disciplinary case because they react like a T-Rex. They take the bait.
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If the person's calling you a F, Y, Z, whatever, they then start doing it back and elbowing them and are getting aggressive. And then you see these other examples of really exceptional police where they're being verbally insulted And they have total composure.
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And it's like they're unfazed.
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Even if your mouth is... You said something earlier, which I think is an important point of nuance here, which is it doesn't mean you have to be passive. It just means that when you, as you said, decide to burn it down, you're doing it intentionally, not being controlled by some emotional puppet master. Yeah.
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So controlling others starts with self-control.
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In the study you referenced about the animals, I read that the interviewers who were most successful at getting information were able to switch between different communication styles. Interviewers who were most successful understood the suspect's communication style as well as their own.
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And it made me think, to be successful, do I then need to be able to adopt all of these communication styles, context-dependent? Because I can think of a lot of people in my life that basically don't have
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a lion or a t-rex in them they just give mouse everywhere they go i can think of some people who i could just never imagine a world where they were demanding dogmatic rigid in charge guiding leading frank forthright direct attacking sarcastic they are just like nice nice okay so when you're dealing with them you're going to look at if we're going to use the animals i mean more how do those people be successful if i'm they're not they're not successful
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I love mice. I think everybody loves mice. They're the most likable people.
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And monkeys, but.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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Can mice be leaders? Because I know some mice. And if I was employing those people, I would absolutely never make someone a leader who hasn't got a little bit of line in them. It would be irresponsible. It would frankly be irresponsible. It would be unfair on them. Because they're going to be challenged by the people that they are leading.
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And in order for them to withstand those challenges in a calm, composed, as it says on this little wheel, in charge, guiding and leading way like a lion does, they're going to need to have a better line in them.
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What if I'm negotiating a pay rise?
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They were turning themselves into, I guess, victims of situation and circumstance.
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But what if I say no to you, then what do you do? Who do you become? Do you become mouse? I just said absolutely no.
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I don't want to give you a pay raise. I think, you know, when I think about who I'd rather have that money, me or you, I think me.
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So you have to be the good T-Rex, which is Frank.
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Okay.
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Okay, so bad T-Rex to remind people is attacking, sarcastic, etc.
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And good T-Rex is frank, forthright, and direct.
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Correct.
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We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for. And the question that has been left for you in the Diary of a CEO is, on your deathbed, what do you want your legacy to be?
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Everybody needs to go listen to your BBC Maestro course. It's really fantastic. There's a lot of courses on there, but I think yours stands out for so many reasons. You actually pull in some experts who have trained you on various things in the past to be part of that course. So I'll link that below. But also this book has been an absolute revelation to so many people. I think in part because...
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It's so unbelievably easy to read for everyone. You don't need to be a super advanced psychologist or a professor like you are to understand all of these strategies and tactics. And it has everything. I think if I was in the contents page, and just to give people a flavor of the subjects that you talk about, it's everything from...
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overcoming fear, mental resilience, if you must fight, then fight, things we've talked about today, the parts about how to influence people, the subjects about everybody lying, all the stuff we've talked about and so, so much more is in this book.
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So I recommend if you haven't read it, I know a lot of people have because they tag me in it all over the place, I highly recommend you read the book, Becoming Bulletproof, Life Lessons from a Secret Service Agent. Thank you so much.
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You're so full of wisdom and you remind me of so many things that I seem to quickly forget every time we speak and you're helping so many people and the legacy that you aspire to have is most certainly the legacy that you're on course to create by everything that you do, by the millions of people that you've served and there's something about you that's very, very special.
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There's some sort of relatability, there's a wisdom, there's a frankness and a no-bullshitness. But then there's also the balance and the nuance and the understanding that the truth is often somewhere in the middle, which I think is incredibly important for people. So thank you for being who you are and doing all that you do. It's a privilege to speak to you once again.
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And I hope we speak again in the future.
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There's so many things of interest there.
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I remember, if we go back to the top of your point around your environment and people having a huge impact on your life, I remember reading a study by a guy called Michael Hausman and another study done at Harvard University where they showed that even if at work you sit next to someone who is toxic and does bad practice at work, your chance of doing bad practice yourself radically increases.
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We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields and in the streets. We shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender.
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And I mean, if there was ever a year where that's been more in focus with this election cycle and what we've seen with Trump and going on Rogan and Kamala going on Alex Cooper in the media lens.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. How do you define and describe what it is that you do with your content, with your work and through all of these books that you've published? What is the summary of what you do and who you do it for?
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And what advice would you give them? Because you consult for a lot of people. They come to you for advice, whether it's the biggest influencers of the world or CEOs. If you were giving them advice on how to achieve that goal, what would you say?
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You publish in lots of ways, right? You publish written form, you publish in video. Is there anything at all that's, if there was one single thing that's helped you become better at speaking or communicating ideas and you can't say, no, I'll take away the restraints. What would you say it is? Frameworks. Frameworks.
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Okay, let's pause there. Why does that matter?
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And so going back to this point of preparation, right, so one of the big things that is going to give me a significant competitive advantage if I'm building a business is personal branding. What else do you think someone like me at the start of my career needs to understand about the game of personal branding?
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Are there any particular platforms I should be aiming at, a particular upload cadence, a particular type of content?
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And if we drill down into the art of building a parasocial relationship, because it's funny, at the start of the conversation, you said that these are the new rules in business and the world because of these macro changes. But at some point, the new rules become the old rules again, when everyone listens to this podcast. And you kind of see it at the moment on LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a...
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a long stream of professional personal brand builders, whereas five years ago it wasn't the case.
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So we're still early. We're still way early. But is there a framework for creating some kind of differentiation amongst... a noisy crowd.
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I wish that's how much I spent.
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We do have scary conversations as well, I have to be honest. We did the nuclear bomb conversation.
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Thank you so much for that, Daniel. You've got all five going on. But when you were saying this, I was actually thinking of this as a marketing framework for brands as well. I was thinking of that kid that I met in the promenade in Cape Town, the couple.
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And I was thinking if they were starting out with an idea today in a very saturated environment like Oxford Street in London, pulling in on some of these actually gives you such an unfair advantage to get going. And I know this myself because when I was 18... One of the things that I realized in hindsight was working for me was I looked a bit strange.
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I had this big, which some people will find photos of, this big hat that I used to wear, and I would wear it everywhere. I wore it because my hair was shit. But it became this distinctive thing that at conferences, at events, on my LinkedIn, it became part of my brand. That's why I interjected with the word peacocking, because looking slightly different in some way does actually... It does work.
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So give me an example then using I'm going to launch a new coffee.
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And the point of difference with my coffee is it is going to be good for your libido.
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Do you know one of the things that I don't think I've ever talked about that I think entrepreneurs and people that are founding companies should really consider is if you're thinking about, let's say, writing a book, Instead of writing the book and then hoping it does well, what you should do is you should take the book idea you have and then run it as a Facebook ad, run 100 different titles.
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And when people click on that Facebook ad, they hit a waiting list.
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Yes.
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Now, in that whole process, what you've just done there is you've figured out the exact percentage of people that will click on 100 different ideas. So for my upcoming book, one of the things that I did – and some people listening to this now would have seen the ads – is I ran 70 book titles.
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So 70 books like this would have popped up in your feed and people have clicked on them and they've said, I would like that book. They put their email address in or something like that. And now I have this data and I can tell off the top of my head. Which is the most successful? 15% of people clicked a certain one. And the worst performing one was clicked by 0.3% of people. And I could have...
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written a book about that 0.3%. And my maths isn't exceptional, but the variance between a 0.3% conversion and a 15% conversion is like, what is that, 1,500% or something crazy? And it cost me 200 quid to run the test.
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Is there anything else that's really sort of pertinent to testing if my idea has legs? And I want to just add an element to this, which is we're not just talking here about the first idea. We're talking about every product you then release in the future.
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I want to go through all of that. I was running in Cape Town. Look at me plugging my running brand that's lasted for five days. I was running in Cape Town and a young couple came up to me at the end of my run when I'd stopped running it underneath this tree. And they came up to me, it was about the second or third of January. They said, Steve, we love your content.
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We've been listening to Divers here a while. And they looked at each other and you could see that they were really stressed. And they said, we're just trying to figure out how to start a business and what we should be doing. And I could see in their face that they'd been mulling it for a long, long time. There was this like, they're very, very young. I'd say they were like 21 years old.
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So that assessment is essentially diagnosing a need. You're helping the customer diagnose a need that maybe they won't clear on.
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In my last book, The Diversity of 33 Laws, I talk about the idea that friction can create value. And I give examples of where someone has added friction to the customer process and it's resulted in more people buying. And one of the studies I talk about is where they took two groups of people, they exposed one of them to a survey in order to enter a discussion group, right?
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And they were saying like, what do we do? And actually at that time I said, you need to listen to an episode I did with Daniel Priestley. But I also knew you were coming on. So I said, and I'm recording with him shortly. So make sure you listen to that. So through the lens of that 21 year old, you've detailed that their world has now changed. They're living in this digital world.
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So they had to go through this survey process to get in. And they let the second group straight into the discussion group. And then they asked both groups, to rate how valuable and enjoyable they found the discussion group to be. Now, the group that had had to go through a survey to get in reported that the discussion group was really interesting, et cetera, et cetera.
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And the group that had been let straight in reported that it was boring. And it was an intentionally boring group. So they made an intentionally boring group. But just because you made someone go through a process to get in, people reported that it was more valuable than otherwise, which says something about our psychology.
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Yeah.
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Where would you advise those two to start if they want to capitalize on the opportunity that's presented itself?
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And the 90% are driving your content, your business, your product to the top 10% through their engagement, their sharing, etc. ?
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Are there any other frameworks that you would use in that early stage where you're trying to figure out if your idea has traction or even from a sort of motivation psychology perspective, if it's worth pursuing this thing for the next 10 years of your life.
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Because we talk a lot about, okay, someone's clicked on it, there's demand and interest, but the journey of an entrepreneur is an emotional one. And as you often say, you go through hell and high water, ups and downs as an entrepreneur. So there's an element of this, which is like figuring out what you want to commit your life to.
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You talked about something at the start of this conversation. You mentioned the word geography as we were talking about the macro factors that are at play in the transitions we've seen. My question to you is, does geography matter for success as an entrepreneur.
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So those kids in Cape Town, do they need to be thinking, listen, we need to move to one of the major cities if we're going to stand a chance in most of these new digital opportunities?
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Why do you say that when you also just said that the most fun and fulfilling businesses are actually those small ones with a small group of people?
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Got you.
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And how do you think about work-life balance these days? And how should, especially sort of young founders, when I say young founders, I don't mean age, I mean stage. should be thinking about work-life balance in your view?
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One of them is about how you measure or quantify the value of an opportunity looking forward when you have very little information about the opportunities?
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So how do you think about defense? Yeah. You know, in many of your businesses that you run, you're in competition with lots of people. Where do you find areas to defend against that competition, the sort of proverbial blue oceans?
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And for those kids on the promenade in Cape Town that I keep referring back to, if they had asked you, if they said, Daniel, what industry would you start a business in today if you were us and you had limited funds?
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of a baby boomer business. What's a good baby boomer business?
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You know, there's been so many of these technological revolutions over the last, 50-odd years that I look back on and thought, oh, gosh, I wish I was there at the dot-com boom. I would have become a billionaire. I would have had a variety of different ideas. Do you think AI is that now?
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I would imagine that, I'm going to guess, 95% of people that are listening right now don't know a lot about AI. They also don't really know a lot about technology to the extent that many other people do, the 5% do. For those people who are, you know, it could be the taxi driver, it could be the janitor, it could be a student in university studying philosophy or something.
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what advice would you give them if you were the puppet master of their life now and you had to get them close to this opportunity what are this the sort of steps you take towards being able to capitalize on something like nvidia's supercomputer yes so of course it's a pyramid so the schooling system taught you that you the way to be successful was to turn labor into skilled labor so become skilled labor your time and your skills are what's valuable
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And what do you do with your money? So everyone has a different sort of finance strategy or an investment strategy. What's your investment strategy?
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And what is the horror that we need to warn people about if they decide to do what you just said? Because everything in life has a cost. So starting a $20 million company comes with... I meet so many founders. I had one in the office yesterday. Great founder from the UK. Young lady. She's done exceptionally, exceptionally well. She built a company that I think is going to make $35 million.
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And she's going through a fucking horrific time. And it came out of her brain.
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Yeah, there's no blueprint. There's no clear blueprint that anybody trained you for.
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And you're also dealing with platforms that are brand new. Yeah. And also just like a social environment that is brand new. And I say that because obviously post-pandemic, the rules of work changed. Completely. And Zoom and technology.
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You've commented a lot on this over the last couple of months. What is your position on this? Because there's lots going on geopolitically. The UK changed the tax system. US got Trump coming in. I mean, he'll be in by the time this podcast is out probably, but...
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When you were talking about that entrepreneurial apprenticeship, it sounded like a new form of education, a new form of university. Are there any other ways, if we're talking about that preparation phase where you're getting ready, are there any other ways you would advise someone to rapidly excel their knowledge and skills in preparation to become an entrepreneur? Is it books?
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So just for people that have never experienced entrepreneurs relief, can you explain exactly what that, who that impacts and when?
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So when I think about all the really exceptional people that I hired over the last 10, 15 years, every single one of the truly exceptional ones that I go, I bet a lot on that person, they all live in Dubai.
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They've all gone.
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Some of them have moved to America.
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Yeah.
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I saw this narrative playing out over the last year, and I'm a skeptic. I'm also like politically apolitical.
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Do I sit on chat GPT?
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I look at these narratives playing out, and I try and figure out if it's a certain person has an agenda, they're trying to push the narrative because they're rich and they want the tax lower, or if another person on the other side has an agenda because they want to tax the rich more. And where I ended up landing, purely based on what I saw in my life with –
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rich people around me and the decisions they started to make is a lot of the most successful people that if I was Keir Starmer, I'd want to keep in this country, especially the ones that don't have the mortgage yet and the family, they are off.
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They're off.
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They are going. And then the stats came out, which I think recently said that about 10,000, we've had like an exodus of these people. And I know, I know it's triggering for some people because they fucking hate rich people and they just think that rich people should just, um, but, uh,
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If you are truly, I think, in the middle, you do come to understand to some degree that the backbone of our economy is entrepreneurship, small businesses, with AI and technology becoming an even greater part of our economy. There's a certain type of entrepreneur that's likely to build and succeed in AI that we really need to keep. And they...
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We are competing geographically with San Francisco, Dubai, Abu Dhabi.
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Okay, so the people that would counter you now, when you talk about the idea that these individuals that are leaving are wealth creators, what is the counterpoint? That is, you know, does make sense. There are some rich people I know that are hoarding a lot of stuff. I mean, they do create opportunities for the economy, but they're in a hoarding season of life, just kind of stacking it up.
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They're not really giving it to many people and they're playing certain money games just to build wealth and not necessarily creating huge economic value.
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Is this in part because the way that the political system is set up is that the prime minister or the president has four years? So actually they're quite short term. Because I'm thinking of Keir Starmer. He's saying that he walked into this deficit and now it looks like he's scrambling around for the money.
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And the long term play here would be we need to change the schooling system so that in 15 years time we've got a lot of AI knowledge base in our economy.
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So what are the new set of skills people need to know to set them up in this digital world?
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So this goes back to something I said earlier in terms of if I'm an entrepreneur and I want to position myself where the opportunity is, where the capital is, where the mentality is.
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So is there anything else that would be on the list of things that if you were a 21-year-old Daniel Priestley and you're in 2025... What are the fundamental moves you'd be making? I can guess a couple of things. You'd definitely be making content.
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Yeah.
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That's for sure. You'd be climbing the podcast pyramid to build more and more leverage and reputation, et cetera. Are there any other big life decisions?
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Why don't people do that? When they hear you say all of that, why is it that they then don't do it? And those people agree. So they're sat at home now. They go, yeah, I get it. The foundations you laid are perfect, make sense. And they still don't.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's so true. And yeah, so I was just talking to someone before you came in about my girlfriend. She's a breathwork practitioner. She's got her own studio, balibreathwork.com, if anyone wants to go to her retreats. And she, hashtag out, I guess. And she was spending a lot of time talking about making Instagram videos again.
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And in fact, I think a year, two years passes and she's talking about it and she's going to buy, she buys a camera and buys another camera and buys another camera, et cetera, as we all do. And I realized that eventually the reason why she wasn't starting is she was so I think a little bit too focused on how it might perform, that first video she dropped, that she never dropped the video.
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And I was reading a book over the Christmas break. I think it was The Courage to be Disliked. And it talks about the possibility gap, something like the possibility gap, where it's the gap when you say you announce your intention, And before you do it. And you can live in this gap because there's been no evidence to prove you can't yet.
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There's been no evidence to prove that you're actually not good at violin or you're not good at DJing. So you can live in this gap for a long time. It's like the world, the realm of possibility. You've announced it. People are now giving you credit for it. And there's been no evidence to prove you can't do it.
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And one of the things that actually got her posting over Christmas was when I said to her, instead of like trying to make good videos, let's make the objective, get to video 1000. Yeah. She's posted every day since. She's posted 30-odd videos on her Instagram since then. Yeah, she changed the goal. The minute the goal became, let's get to video 1,000, she was off to the races.
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And to me. The really important part there for me as well is just to go for 10 years at anything, you are going to need to really love the fucking thing. And so as much as we talk about strategies and tactics and waitlists and all these things, the overarching thing of how do we get to consistency so we can start to compound is is a consequence of love and passion.
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Okay, let's pause there. Why does that matter?
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Yeah, we did 500,000 in December.
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Something else that I don't think I've ever heard many entrepreneurs or founders talk about when they're giving advice on that preparation learning phase is the importance of writing. Yeah. Because that had a profound impact on me. The rate in which I learned was having a practice. At what stage in your journey did you write?
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I'm going to say it's a high percentage.
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It is a good idea. And it's a good idea for the unobvious reasons that most people don't think. It's not necessarily to sell books because, you know, I've got a book that sold pretty well, but I don't necessarily think it's made much money.
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On that point of sales, are there any frameworks for sales that you advise or give to entrepreneurs when they're trying? Because on stage, a lot of people ask me this. They say things like this. I'm trying to sell to a customer or I'm trying to sell to the CEO of this company some idea that I have to change the company or I'm trying to sell downwards as a leader. Is there a framework for selling?
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So I made a commitment to myself when I was 24 to write a tweet every day.
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So break that down for me. So when you say the word demo...
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And I would screenshot it then post it on Instagram. Now this was maybe the single biggest hack in my life that I've never really talked about because of all of the downstream consequences that occurred.
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I've got a picture here called the messy middle.
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I've actually never seen this before, this image. Yeah. Can you explain to me, I'll put it on the screen and link it below for anyone that wants to look at it. I highly recommend you do, what this image is.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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downstream consequence number one got to a million followers on instagram wow by posting these quotes of ideas that i had every day so every day at 7 p.m my girlfriend knew at the time she goes he's going to go off for an hour and think of something to say um downstream consequence number two is it taught me how to communicate ideas in a concise high impact way and kind of what people respond to and i'd say number three is it generally
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The people that came to you following your last conversation and that sent you messages and DMs, what is the most frequently occurring question that they asked you?
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Yeah.
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It meant that if I went through my day and something had happened, it gave me a moment to condense that down into wisdom.
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A piece of truth. So that day, I learned something. And without that practice, those learnings kind of would have passed you by.
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And I think there's different types of personal branding. And the best, most effective type of personal branding that I've seen is what I call idea promotion, where you're promoting your ideas to the world, maybe in a particular niche or industry, but it's all about here are my ideas. And you can do that as well, obviously, through books and through podcast appearances and stuff.
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But there are other types of promotion. So some people do... deficiency promotion. Here are all the ways that I'm flawed. And they build a brand around that. Well, the one people most object to is self-promotion. Self-promotion, which is here's how great I am.
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So what do you think is maybe the subject or question that I haven't asked at this point in the conversation that people will be sat at home thinking?
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What I'd love people to do that are listening now on YouTube or wherever you might be listening, I think YouTube is probably the best place to do it, is if you are one of those people that feels a little bit lost and you are, I don't know, you are working in a restaurant at the moment and you're working evenings and you heard Daniel talk about AI and all of these things and you just feel like it might be a bit far away or you don't have the people around you that can...
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And is that where your five Ps come in?
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potentially help you with that, let's start a little bit of a community in the comments section. So I think it would be really, really cool if people detailed their situation, talked about where they want to get. And if you just throw that out there in the comments section, who you are, where you are, obviously keep your private details to yourself, but, um,
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as anonymous as you're comfortable being or not being, throw the seed out there. And it will start a conversation with somebody else. I see it all the time in the comment section. People start chatting. They start getting motivated.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And just so you know who these people are that also got to the end of this and are doing this, if you could all start it with a waving emoji, then at least you know that your people that got to the end and saw this part.
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And if you could be friendly to those people and maybe reach out to them, talk to them, and safely, right, do your own process of verification to make sure that they're not a crypto scammer or something. Yes. maybe connect with them on LinkedIn, verify who they are, and then form that relationship. Because there are people in this audience that I know are searching for like-minded individuals.
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And as you say, by the very nature that they got to the end of a three-hour conversation, they are like-minded in some way.
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What was that epiphany that you got in that week? Like what is the, for us that, you know, for people that don't want to have to go through that to realize what you realized in that week.
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I think that's so wonderful to hear and so refreshing because it's often the missing piece in the big picture of success and optimization. I had it for many years. We take for granted that all that we strive for and all that we've accomplished and all that we love and know is sitting on this tectonic plate.
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is there until it shakes until it shakes it's like i was in over in cape town there's an earthquake this um this year while i was there and i'm sat in my house and then suddenly at 2 a.m in the morning like underneath me starts shaking yeah and i oh my god i didn't realize i thought the house was the base actually the base is the tectonic plate and in our lives that's our health as entrepreneurs we disregard it so flippantly in the pursuit of some kind of accolade until it shakes and then that becomes the only important thing
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How have you accelerated your learning? Because you're someone that is able to give out lots of different ideas from lots of different reference points.
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And there must be some kind of underlying framework you're using to like learn, process and publish, which now presents you, which is part of the reason you get invited onto all these podcasts now and people are paying you to speak at their events, et cetera. What was that framework for you?
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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And the macro factors that brought that about, what are those underlying shifts that happened that meant we went from the logo to the person?
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Dr. William Lee is a Harvard-trained physician and medical scientist whose work is revolutionizing the way we understand and fight some of the most devastating diseases facing our world today.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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So what are those things then that bring the shield down? It's down, you were saying.
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Okay, I've got a question here. Obviously, there's a big movement at the moment around hydration and electrolytes. And these electrolytes have magnesium, potassium, they have sodium in them. So a lot of people are now taking electrolytes to hydrate themselves. Is there a risk here?
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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And I was thinking about stress as well.
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Sir William Lee, if someone has just clicked on this conversation and they're asking themselves, they're wondering what they're going to get out of spending this time with us for the next couple of hours, what would you say directly to them that they will learn, gain, and how will their life improve?
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Yeah, I've noticed that with myself. I've spent the last 10 years running businesses, a little bit more than 10 years now, but probably the last 13 years running businesses. And the only times when I really get sick, where I'm like out for a week, and I really, really feel it, is one week after two weeks of stress.
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So when I say two weeks of stress, what I mean there is when something happens in my life, business, where that it's kind of chronic and it's enduring stress, I can deal with having a stressful day. I can deal with having two stressful days in a row. But when I've had like two weeks of an enduring issue, like an enduring angst or a problem,
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almost perfectly predictably a week later i'm sick and i'm extremely rarely sick because i think i sleep really well i i think i eat really clean and so it's taught me something about if i zoom out on that and see what's going on in my body well eventually like my body's kind of my immune system is running out of energy yeah more than in your immune system so when you're super stressed it also interferes with your ability to sleep well yeah when you're sleeping well
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Not as well as you do.
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We Can Now Reverse Stage 4 Cancer & These Foods Are Spreading It! Dr. William Li (Chronic Disease Expert)
Is there a certain stage of sleep where the glymphatic system kicks in?
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Okay. And that usually comes later in the night as well. Correct. And in more quantity later in the night. So you need to really be getting a long sleep.
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If we go back up the thread there, we were talking about the sort of individual perspective on cancer. And I was looking at some stats here and it says that the number one Google search related to cancer is breast cancer. One in two people will develop some form of cancer during their lifetime. That's according to the NHS. Cancer is the second highest leading cause of death worldwide.
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And by 2040, there will be 28 million new cases of cancer each year worldwide. But one of the most shocking things that I saw was that globally, early onset cancer incidence has risen by about 80% by 1990 and 2019. And there was an article which I'd sent to my team a couple of weeks ago It's called The Worrying Puzzle Behind the Rise of Early Onset Cancer.
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And it says that there are rising cases of breast collateral and other cancers in people in their 20s, 30s and 40s. And it posits the question, what is going on? Over the last 10 years, rates of colorectal cancer among 25 to 49 year olds has increased in 24 different countries, including the UK, US, France, Australia, Canada, Norway and Argentina. I mean, what is going on?
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And what are the key diseases that people are and should be most concerned about today based on their correlation to the food that we eat?
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400%.
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to the fact so let's close off on microplastics what are the the easy wins in our lives do you think when you think about microplastics is it just removing anything plastic that i eat from or are there some sort of easy cheap wins is it my shampoo is it my frying pan is it a container
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Okay.
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You let me drink it first, but I spat it out.
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So full disclaimer, I made a very, very big investment, a seven-figure investment into a matcha company a couple of years ago. And if you look at the search trend data on the subject of matcha, I don't know if you've seen this, but that's, I'll throw it up on the screen for anyone that's watching on video, but you can see how it's just come out of nowhere. It seems it's exploded.
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And when you say that matcha cells have an impact on breast cancer cells, what does that mean in reality? Because obviously the conclusion one might jump to is that if you drink matcha, you're lowering your risk of breast cancer. But that's not necessarily what you're saying.
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And where do you think we are as a society, especially as Westerners, as it relates to our relationship with health and food? Because when I look at some of the stats around life expectancy, there's been a bit of a stagnation in, I think it was 2020-ish time.
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I've got to just going up the thread again a little bit. You mentioned the word colorectal. Where is the colorectal? All right. So we have a little model here. Because I'm asking this because I'm wondering why that type of cancer is increasing. So is there a particular reason why? Well, okay.
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Right. So the blue thing is my colon. So this is where cancer incidence is rising in young people.
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We Can Now Reverse Stage 4 Cancer & These Foods Are Spreading It! Dr. William Li (Chronic Disease Expert)
But then also when you look at a lot of these chronic diseases, whether it's diabetes, whether it's cancer, these things seem to be on the rise. So... As a nation, it feels like we've got more information than ever before. But when you look at the objective numbers, for some reason, we're not going in the right direction. What's your 30,000 foot view on it?
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This term angiogenesis, you've talked about the link that that has to cancer. Angiogenesis, from my perspective, novice understanding is how the blood cells provide blood to different parts of our body, right? And in the case of cancer, the angiogenesis system is making a mistake. Is that a simplified version of it?
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I've got this graph which shows different things that cause more or less angiogenesis. if you've seen this graph.
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So I'm going to ask some stupid questions here. So on here, I can see that, for example, soy extract. causes less angiogenesis, which what I understand is the growth of these blood vessels. But does that mean that if I have lots of soy extract or artichoke or parsley or berries, that it's going to cause other parts of my body not to grow blood cells?
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I've heard you say that immunotherapy is more likely to be successful if you have certain bacteria in your gut.
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Oh, yeah.
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So what is your diet of preference then? There's so many different diets that we've... people speak about when they talk about cancer and other chronic diseases. As I think I said to you beforehand, I'm on an extremely low carb diet, which is like verges on keto, but I kind of bounce in and out of ketosis. What do you think of, let's start with the ketogenic diet.
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Do you have a view on that kind of diet?
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Why do the Japanese seem to do so well when we think about the world's healthiest countries. Looking at some data here, a variety of different graphs that I have in front of me, and Japan continually seems to come out on top as it relates to health span.
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I asked this question because I have a friend who was, I think it was on this podcast, so I don't think I'm revealing anything. He actually sat next to me when Peter Atiyah was talking to him. He's Jack who runs production for us. He had his DEXA scan done, which looks at your visceral fat, subcutaneous fat, muscle mass, bone density, those kinds of things. And he's a slim guy.
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He's much slimmer than I am. And... The diagnosis that came back from the doctor basically said, you're overnourished. And when I look at him, he doesn't look like someone that's overnourished. And the doctor essentially said to him that you need to reduce your calories. Now I'm looking at this guy thinking this is a slim guy. This guy's like much, much slimmer than I am.
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Yet the doctor's telling him that he's overeating.
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When I think about something like cancer, it's slightly terrifying because it feels like a game of roulette. It feels like the people that get cancer, it's completely random, and that our outcomes are also a game of roulette. And this is as someone that knows very little about cancer.
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Yeah. And that's what we call skinny fat. I am still mildly in shock about it because... Because I saw his results, I panicked. So the next day, I also went to the same clinic as him. I had my DEXA scan done, and it came back and said that I had, quote, zero visceral fat. So my results from Dr. Peter Atiyah said I had zero visceral fat, which he said was rare.
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But I had subcutaneous fat, which is the fat on the outside, more than Jack did. So Jack had visceral fat, which is the fat inside us, and he has almost no subcutaneous fat, and I'm kind of the inverse of that. And I don't understand.
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I was trying to figure out, why is my body, when I eat something, putting the fat subcutaneously on the outside, whereas Jack's body is putting the fat on the inside, which is the dangerous fat?
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I hear someone that I thought was very, very healthy get cancer, and then their outcomes, whether they beat it or not, also seem to be largely down to chance sometimes. That's how it seems. What do you think of that view?
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And then the last thing is cortisol. Yeah. The job that we have, I know that it doesn't sound like a hard job to be a podcaster, but in Jack's role, he's basically working seven days a week sometimes. You know, he's working early hours of the morning. He's traveling around the world with me to come to these studios. It is, I observe it, it's a stressful job.
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So I was wondering if all of these factors play a role in how our body chooses where to store things. And really like the role of cortisol in determining fat storage is so interesting to me. Like the role of stress in determining where our fat is stored
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Why is visceral fat dangerous? Because people refer to it as being linked with a lot of chronic disease and cancers and stuff like that. But what evidence do we have that it's dangerous? And why is it dangerous? Yeah.
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Oh, gosh. And there's a link there to cancer.
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Don't you hate it when you have a good idea and then you forget? For the last two years, I've been writing my brand new book. And my book writing process is a little bit atypical in the sense that I have all of these great conversations on the Diary of a CEO. And I might stumble across a great idea while my guest is speaking to me in the middle of a conversation. Or I could be walking the dog.
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I could be out and about with my friends. I could be anywhere when I have an idea for my upcoming book. This is why Notion, who are a show sponsor of mine now, has been an incredible platform for me. I've designed my Notion so that I can pull out my phone super quickly and store the idea in the section about my new book.
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And I can collate pictures, images, voice notes, any type of media on the go, which means I'm able to capture that point of inspiration in a flexible way, and I'm no longer losing good ideas. I imagine many of the creatives and entrepreneurs listening to my podcast already use Notion. But if you want to try out Notion and you've never used it yourself, head over to notion.com slash DOAC.
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That's notion.com slash DOAC. There was a shocking study that I read about this a while ago in JAMA, and it examined the impact of illness anxiety disorder, which they call IAD, formerly known as hypochondriitis, and the impact that being avoidant of health and illness has on your mortality rates. And the research analysed data from approximately 45,000 individuals over a 24-year period,
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comparing 4,000 patients who had this anxiety around their health and were avoidant. And the findings showed that those with IAD that were anxious about health and getting checkups and those kinds of things had an 84% higher risk of death during the study period, dying on average five years earlier than those without the disorder.
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And again, causation is hard to establish there because it could mean that being an anxious person means your cortisol is up anyway. Being an anxious person means you make worse dietary choices. But I've always remembered that and thought about how I find it much better, especially as I age and I'm going to be now confronted with more risks, especially things in men like prostate cancer.
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Being on the front foot is probably a better approach.
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That is coffee. Okay. And we've been talking a little bit about brown fat. Yeah. Is there a link between fat and coffee? Because I had someone the other day saying that if you want to lose weight, drink coffee.
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What about fasting? People often talk about fasting as an intervention, as a form of medicine for the body. And I wondered if you had a take on that.
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Randomly. Well, there's so many cells in my body, so it's going to be a big number, a million.
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So there's one part of the body that we haven't talked about, which is, and my little mannequin here, inside its head, the brain. And I'm wondering how some of the themes we've talked about link to one of the most common brain diseases, which people talk about, which is Alzheimer's and dementia. We talked about, I can't say that long word, but...
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It's crazy how this all stems back to this idea that food is medicine.
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Supplementation. Are you a fan of supplementation? Because I take a couple of supplements every morning, things like creatine and omega-3 and vitamin D. Do you take supplements? Yes, I do.
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I'm wondering, you know, I've got these two great books in front of me, Eat to Beat Disease, which is a New York Times bestseller, and Eat to Beat Your Diet, which is really about burning fat, healing your metabolism and living longer.
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I know that you must have some favourite, people use the term superfoods all the time, but there must be some foods where you look at them and just think they are little miracles in their own right. So I wanted a little challenge for you is if you had to pick five of your favorite foods based on the research that you've done, the science you've seen, what would those top fives be?
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And what is the most important thing that we didn't talk about that we should have talked about?
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We Can Now Reverse Stage 4 Cancer & These Foods Are Spreading It! Dr. William Li (Chronic Disease Expert)
And that's what I love about this book in particular, Eat to Beat Disease, is that it also comes with lots of great recipes. inside the book and I think that's super helpful because there's a lot of information here but this makes it actionable.
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It's a really iconic book, it's sold so incredibly well because also it's so unbelievably accessible to people who aren't scientists and that are trying to find some things that they can add to their plate. And I think that's essential to the approach that you take as well. You're not someone that's telling us we can't eat nice things and enjoy our life.
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You're talking about the things that we should be adding to our plate to make our lives more healthy and increase our longevity, which I'm very excited about, actually, because you're writing a book about longevity, I hear. And I'm very much awaiting that book. When do you think that will be due and ready?
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uh i'm working on a manuscript so i'm not ready to give a release date yet but you'll be the first to know okay good we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next not knowing who they're leaving it for and the question that's been left for you is how would you be able to tell that your time here on earth has been successful that you've achieved what you set out to achieve
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Wow.
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We Can Now Reverse Stage 4 Cancer & These Foods Are Spreading It! Dr. William Li (Chronic Disease Expert)
Well, that's what you're most certainly doing, my friend, because when I was looking through what you've accomplished in your life, whether it's all of the FDA-approved treatments for over 70 diseases, including cancers, diabetes, chronic wounds, and blindness that you've helped to develop, more than I could possibly count, or whether it's the work that you're doing through your foundation, which I think people should check out, which is a non-profit organization which helps develop treatments for chronic diseases that are based on angiogenesis,
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We Can Now Reverse Stage 4 Cancer & These Foods Are Spreading It! Dr. William Li (Chronic Disease Expert)
you've most certainly done that and you continue to do that.
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But even maybe more importantly of all, because there's so many billions of people out there that are starved of the information that you have and that you find in your research laboratory, is you've come out into the world, into the public forum, and you're helping to articulate and demystify these incredibly confusing things that people like me who didn't go and get a PhD or didn't go to Harvard don't understand.
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And you're masterful at it. You really are masterful. Your ability to break down... You know, I sit here...
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week in week out speaking to very very smart people and not all of them have the very important skill of being able to turn something very complicated into something understandable and that is a skill you have it's a real real gift and especially your use of like metaphors and analogies which really cement these ideas in our brain in a way that we can all understand that for me is
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a really, really important gift. So long may you continue to continue your work of public communication as well, because for people like me, it can cause a penny drop moment that then leads us to change our lives for the better.
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Dr. William Lee, I highly recommend everybody goes and checks out your YouTube channel because it is fantastic. And that's a great place to get more of this information. But also I'm going to link the YouTube channel and all of these books below for anybody that wants to continue their journey of learning. Thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate you being so generous with your time and wisdom.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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And if you had to pick five based on the science you've seen, what would those top five be? The good news is that it's food that we can eat every single day. So, number one.
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Wow.
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I'm assuming the opposite also applies. I could eat foods, I can drink things that cause my body to malfunction, i.e. makes the blood vessels unregulated and starts to feed the cancer, right?
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When you took that pause when I asked you how your day had been, two interesting observations I had. The first is, whatever you were about to say next, I trusted more. Because you'd had some time to think and you weren't just spewing out your like automatic response. So I thought, oh gosh, what's he going to say here? And there was this element of like, he's really thinking.
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He's like, he really cares about giving me the honest answer. And the second one is I was just so much more intrigued. Right. Because I could see you thinking, so I thought this is going to be an interesting response. Yeah. And that was all in that one second where you took a breath.
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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There was something, is there something in the contemplation which means that I believe you checked? Yeah. Like it's a simple way to describe it. In that second example where you paused and said, yeah, I've written a lot of value to this company. I was like, he actually checked. Exactly. He like checked. He believes it. So I believe it.
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When you say a client, who do you mean?
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Right.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Jefferson Fisher, I'm incredibly intrigued by so many of the things that you produce content about, but also this phenomenal book. So if we start from the beginning, who are you?
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I already told you I'm not going to do that.
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I already told you I am not going to do that.
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What type of person struggles with this?
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Does one's self-esteem and one's... insecurities play a role in this?
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And what is the mission that you're on?
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Okay.
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And what is my assertive voice? And how is sort of an assertive voice different to like disrespecting someone? I've got this graph, I think it's taken from your book, which shows the sort of middle ground of, I'll put it on the screen for anyone that can't see, but respecting others sort of versus respecting yourself. And in the middle there, you have your assertive voice.
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What is my assertive voice?
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You have to find ways to say more with less. So does the amount that I speak, have consequence.
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They listen a whole lot more. Do people capitalize on that? So if you're triggered by me saying that you have a purple shirt on, Have I got the power now? Because I can play you like a fiddle if you're so easily triggered by something that's so obviously like provocation. Surely I have the power over you now, right?
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Do you have a lot of people pleasers coming to you?
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And that's easier said than done. It's interesting. I started my first proper business when I was about 18 years old. And when you're 18 years old and you're dealing with people that are like double your age and you're different because your skin color is a little bit different, you have no experience.
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I was talking to the guy that was cutting my hair yesterday because he's a young black man starting in business. And you were aware that every conversation you're having to some degree
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is a test yeah it's like a test of how much you value yourself how much you believe in yourself and how much you believe in what you're building and what you're saying like it's an interesting way to think of life that like every conversation is actually a test a test of your conviction and i was just i was talking to my barber about how i've changed over time and how business has made me become more direct and more assertive than i was when i was 18 years old
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Because I wouldn't have survived in some of the rooms that I'm in with very eccentric billionaires who have done this 40 years before me if I didn't have that assertive voice, if I wasn't able to look them in the eye and say with calmness and a slower pace what I believe to be true. It's so interesting.
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So you're in the courtroom and you're against another trial attorney, essentially, trying to make the case for your party.
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It's just thinking about how so much of our life is about developing this ability to assert what we believe without the just or the caveats or the excuse.
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Yes, sir. But doesn't that come down to your ability to articulate yourself and to persuade and to convince someone of your fact? Wholeheartedly. Yeah, right.
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In this regard, what do the most successful people in the world, the leaders, the prime ministers, the presidents, the CEOs... have in common as it relates to the stuff we're talking about right now? So you know what I'm saying? So are they assertive? Are they people pleasers? What do they have in common here? What I find that people are people.
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Yeah, that's so true.
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Rich people don't even say hello and kind regards on fucking emails. They literally send emails like text messages.
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What's number three then? So you've given me two.
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So how do I say something to connect?
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And how does one learn? Like, how did you learn that? Where did your skill come from in that regard? Because you're regarded as one of the very best at what you do. So where did you learn? So I am a fifth generation trial attorney.
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And then is there anything I need to be aware of when I have that difficult conversation with them so that I'm successful in getting to that outcome?
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Because when we go into those sort of difficult conversations, whether it's with a colleague or our spouse or whoever it might be, much of the objective, I think, for some of us is to win the conversation in whatever definition of winning one might have. Is endeavoring to win a conversation a good idea?
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There's been so many arguments I've had with my girlfriend where I have quote unquote won and I felt like shit.
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Because she might come to me and say, do you know what? I understand your point and I'm sorry. And there's part of me that just feels like shit. It's because I thought that's the outcome I was looking for. But actually the outcome I was looking for was resolution. And I actually love this person so much that a concession was not like, was actually not, it's not what I wanted.
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I actually wanted to be happy with them.
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So I had to, you know, I was thinking of some recent examples where my girlfriend came to me and apologized for something, where we were like disagreeing about it. And I just felt like shit that she apologized. Yeah.
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I have two glasses on the floor here.
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Try not to spill it. Nice. Since I've been a waiter. So I have these two glasses of water in front of me. I know there's an analogy you have for having a good effective conversation that can be demonstrated with these two glasses of water.
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So what's like a real world example of this idea that you might not be talking to Stephen, you might be talking to something he's dealing with?
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You've written the book on conversation, Argue Less, Talk More. Why does it matter to the average person listening now that's just clicked on this conversation? Why does it matter to them? Yeah.
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horrible habit of thinking for some reason that if i say it to you right in this moment it's all going to change and you're going to just immediately conform to what i want you to be being triggered is a hallmark of that isn't it like being when we sell the car they're like easily triggered it's really you're scratching at an open wound that might have been there many years ago i was reflecting as you were speaking about a particular friend that i have
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who I remember a conversation with him in the middle of the pandemic where he like turned to me and said, it's people that are young and healthy that are ending up in hospital beds. And I remember saying to him, I was like, I was living in his house.
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I was like, no, I don't think that, I think the NHS website says it's people that are like out of shape and slightly older that are ending up in hospital beds. And he like was like really, really triggered by that. And I remember he's like a good friend of mine. So we had a conversation about it. And we dug and dug and dug, because we're, like, really good friends.
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Like, why is it that all of us as, like, boys, we know in, like, the group chat when we're bantering, all we've got to do is say, like, now you're wrong. Wait, one more thing. One thing. And it's, like, Red Mist. Yeah. And we had, like, a really open conversation about it over, really over the last, like, year and a half. And he said... When I was younger, all of the teachers thought I was stupid.
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And also, I then got bullied on the playground because people thought I was stupid. And then I found text messages from my grandmother to my mum where they said I was stupid. And then I found on my report card... They'd basically written me off. So 30 years later, when we're having a conversation, just a trivial conversation about the pandemic, when I go, no, I don't think that's right.
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And I pull up the website and stuff. And he sees the red mist, as me and him call it now. It all stems back 30 years to this experience on the playground. So like you said, it could be proving someone wrong. But in that case, it's actually like proving the bullies right. It's proving all the people that hurt him wrong. Right. And it's showing up 30 years later as this red mist.
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The story ends with him going to a therapist and speaking about it. And he's resolved it now to the extent to which he can, where now when he feels that feeling, he's able to point it. He knows what it is. And so it doesn't make the decision.
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If you're dealing with someone in your romantic relationship at work, whatever, that is easily triggered in that regard. What advice would you give to the person dealing with that person who is like continually easily triggered? They see the red mist all the time. It's almost impossible to talk to them because they immediately just flip to 10.
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They avoid the difficult conversation. You feel now that you can't even have that conversation with them because they're immediately going to gaslight you or they're just going to go straight to 10 and they're going to be flooded. Right. You know, that phrase that I've heard before about like when the brain gets flooded, like they just get overwhelmed in there. Yes.
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What do you do with that kind of person? You just curious or...?
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So many people are so interested in understanding how to deal with disrespectful people.
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Like being disrespected. Right. So if I'm being disrespected, is there a playbook for me to handle that? And why is it that so many people are so obsessed with like dealing with disrespect? I find that people are...
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Do you really think it's that pivotal to your outcomes in life? Oh, absolutely. So if I became a 10 out of 10 communicator, like I became the best communicator in the world, what outcomes in my life, what areas of my life do you think will radically improve?
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Well, I was just looking at this section in your book about dealing with difficult people.
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It's your favorite?
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It's so hard because it's like the context dependent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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On page 166 of your book, The Next Conversation, you say, when you hear someone say something rude or insulting, understand that they're wanting something from you. That something is dopamine. The feel-good hormone. That something is dopamine.
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I think a lot about this because of podcasting. And it's one of the slightly unfortunate, unfair elements of running a podcast is sometimes you come across people who have done the most extraordinary work ever. They could be a scientist in a lab in Boston in America, or they could be, I don't know, some exceptional expert in some niche field.
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Can you say that in all context? I'm thinking, can you say that to your, like the CEO of the company, you're an intern, and they say something to you. And they look at a piece of work you've made and they go, I mean, I guess that's okay. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Does context matter here?
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It's like conversational boundaries.
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But the reason why they often don't get the platform, the stage on podcasts or on TED Talks, whatever it might be, isn't because of their sort of merit. It's purely because of their ability to communicate the ideas. And I think the more and more we head into this sort of like content, YouTube, podcasting world where that's like the dominant form of media.
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The first time was through emotion. It was the amygdala. You got it. And the second time was you're forcing them into the prefrontal cortex to make like a logical. You got it.
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It's interesting because some of the things you were talking about, I was thinking, is this like advice for dealing with really toxic people? Or is this also advice just for dealing with like couples arguing? Because it sounded the type of person that would... not respond to, that really hurt me. Yeah. Sounds like a bit of a monster. Right. Like a narcissist.
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When somebody is... So if my girlfriend turned around to me and said, that really hurt me, I'd like, it would kill me.
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It's such an unfair advantage if you can communicate. Like you can be 50% as good in terms of skills or experience, but if you can communicate effectively, the unfair advantage you will have in your life, I think, is just completely disproportionate. I couldn't agree more.
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I was thinking of two things at the same time. I was thinking when we approach these difficult conversations with difficult people, is there a certain priming that we need to do to ourselves to make sure that we're in the right frame of mind? Because even as a podcaster, I see huge variance in my ability to speak and articulate myself based on things that happened in the last...
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24 hours yeah so is there do you ever think about like when you've got those big cases coming up how to prime yourself to make sure that your brain your mouth everything is working in unison and you feel like emotionally ready for that conversation yes so one i i do one is i let's put it in terms of work and home because everybody listening right now
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I was at the store last night, 7-Eleven.
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That's a great way to put it. And what's the downside then? So if I'm a terrible communicator, if I'm a 1 out of 10 communicator currently, A, what does that look like? But B, what do the outcomes look like in my life?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I guess you want, if you're lying in that context, you want... certainty that the other person believes you. So the issue with the big pause you gave is if I was at the strip club last night, I now don't have certainty that you believe what I'm saying, so I need to keep going until I can convince you that I was at the 7-Eleven. So now I need to push back on you and say, what do you mean?
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Exactly. Why are you asking this? Yeah, exactly. Why are you asking me this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because the uncertainty is not good to deal with.
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And you do know that regardless if they think about it or regardless of whatever they do next, I know where I fucking was. So you're only going to uncover evidence that I was at the 7-Eleven last night. That's exactly right. You're going to look at my bank statements. You're going to see I was at the 7-Eleven last night.
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So there's a certain confidence that comes with that where you don't need to prove yourself.
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You think about how your body language is communicating?
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Bad information being information that goes against your case.
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How many followers have you got online now across all your channels? I think we're close to 12 million. Crazy. Yeah, you're telling me. Is there an attorney that has that many followers on Earth?
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Are there any moments from famous trials that you think about and use as reference points for exceptional prosecution or exceptional defence? that we might know. I was recently watching the OJ case.
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It's funny because we all know of the OJ case, but I've never actually watched the trials and all of those things because it was on Netflix.
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And there were so many moments in there where I was reflecting as you were speaking about how the prosecution responded to evidence and how they responded to the glove and all those things. Are there any moments from famous trials that you think about that are kind of supportive of your point or...
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What is it you're doing for those 12 million people at the very core of it?
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And is that he's using inflections and pauses? Yes, yes. Like art.
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I was thinking about it in the context of selling to my clients. Back in the day when I used to run a marketing business, the thing that I found to be most effective was when I told my clients the truth. So what would often happen is my clients would develop a really good relationship with me. So my client might be a CEO of a big billion dollar fashion company.
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They would have a relationship with me. The bridge of trust would be with me. My team would come in while I was sat with the CEO of this big company, and my team would pitch an idea to the brand. If I sat there and criticized and pointed out the faults in my team's pitch, the deal was done. How cool is that? So we would sit there in his big glass office, and I'd say, I don't love idea three.
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I don't think that's going to work. And then I'd say, idea one, though, I think that's the winner. Idea two is okay, but it's not worth the effort. Idea three is certainly not going to work. But idea one, I think that's the winner. And because I was pointing out the flaws in what's my own company, they trusted me for years. I'm telling you. And I was being honest. I was always being honest.
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So if I thought it was a bad idea, I'd say it was a bad idea. And this is the long game.
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Which feels counterintuitive, right?
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What about when you're dealing with someone that you don't like?
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A lot of life is like that, right?
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It's hard, though, isn't it? Because your body responds. It is hard. Your body starts to give it away.
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So let's get into that then. You said you help them focus on the next conversation. Yeah. What do you mean by that?
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What about the subject of small talk, which we all, I mean, I think most people hate small talk. I especially don't like small talk, but many people hate small talk. Is there a skill at all to being a real master of small talk in your view?
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You talk about these conversational goals. Yeah. Having a conversational goal in your small talk. You talk about that on page, I think, 45 and 46 of this book. Yeah. So as a conversational goal, I'm a podcaster. I know I'm meeting you today. So I walk in here with a goal in mind that when I start speaking to you, I'm trying to get somewhere. Right. Is that what you mean by conversational goal?
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Well, there's two separate sides.
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I didn't really do anything. What are the things that you admire the most in some of the peers you have as a trial attorney? Is there a particular trial attorney that you admire the most through history or through that you've encountered? And if so, what is it about them that you admire so much?
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Do you think there's an element of like spirituality or religion that,
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somewhat ties into this i was thinking of like the buddhist philosophies of and just various religious and spiritual philosophies of like forgiveness and um taking the higher ground and right an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind i agree yeah i mean mine is be quick to listen slow to speak same thing i mean if you look at the bible book of james is full
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That can make the difference. And what does that process, that journey look like? Because some people will think, right, I've listened to this podcast now and I've got the tips, the strategies, I've got some of the big picture ideas, but I'll implement that. I took notes, et cetera, et cetera.
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But then next week, their spouse rolls in, starts shouting at them, whatever, colleague at work triggers them, whatever, and they just revert back and they go, fuck it. Yeah. What is that?
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I want to give people some sort of like framing on the journey to going from where you are now, which might be quite ineffective and breaking all of the rules that we've talked about today to being a 10 out of 10 master communicator. What should one expect that journey to look like?
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What do you mean by boundaries in this context? And also, could you explain to me this image here? Do you know that image? I'll put it on the screen for anybody to see it.
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But what if I come up with an excuse? I say, oh, I just checked. I've got a meeting, Jefferson, so I can't come for the coffee.
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Why is that a problem?
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But we don't want to offend somebody. Yeah, that's the people pleasing, right? Yeah, so like someone says to me, Hey, Steve, I know you're in Austin. This actually happens. Hey, Steve, I know you're in Austin. Would be great to get a coffee with you while you're in town on Monday. And I look at my calendar and I go, I'm free on Monday, but I just don't want to go. So what do I say to them?
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And where do we have to start to understand this? I want to be a much better communicator. conversation list and I want to be a much more effective communicator. I want to argue less. I want to talk more. I want to be heard more. This is probably reflective of most people listening right now.
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I just go, listen, I...
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What about when you're dealing with someone that you don't like?
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So if I was a student of yours coming in to be trained by you, where is the first place you would start with me? Number one, you say it with control. Okay. What do you mean by that?
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This is the problem.
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yeah and i was reflecting over over um new years i was at a restaurant and i was reading this book about i think it was called the courage to be disliked and it was just developing my thinking on just trying to be a bit more sort of radically can give more radical candor to situations yeah and we were sat in this like bar or whatever me and my friend and um the owner of the bar had come over and he's been really nice and he likes the podcast and stuff when we're talking and
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And I was trying to practice this art of just being honest in those sort of people-pleasing moments. And my friend says to him, oh, we've got something to get to, blah, blah. And we hadn't got anywhere to go. Yeah, of course. So I remember interjecting and going... We want to leave in 10 minutes.
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So if they can get here before then, then I'm more than happy to like sign the books and stuff, whatever they want me to do. And it was so interesting how much better I felt about myself when I was just honest with this guy. Like I was like, no, I don't have anywhere to be. I just want to go. Exactly. Yeah.
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But it's not easy on a day-to-day basis because even when I did land here in Austin, there were people that texted me saying – Of course. here in Austin, let's go for a coffee. And in reality, here's what my brain is saying. My brain is saying, I need to spend time with my partner. When I'm not recording this podcast, I need to do my bloody, like my to-do list and my Slack and my emails.
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And then I need to go to the gym as well. So it's not that I don't want to go for coffee with you. It's that like, I have other priorities that I'm pressing. So how would I communicate to them in that moment that, they're just not a high priority. It's not a high priority for me to go for a coffee.
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And then that's where the anxiety kicks in, and that's where we just push it off. What if the excuse is real? So I've been invited to this dinner in London. I actually can't go, but it's someone that I care about a lot. I can't go because of my calendar, and I haven't responded to the email yet. I think in part because I'm trying to figure out how to let them know.
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You see how it's taking up your energy even now? It is taking up my fucking energy, yes. So in that situation, I should say, I was going to say terribly sorry. No, no, no. Okay. I can't make it on this occasion because I'm in... The Middle East. But thank you for the invitation. Yes. And if this ever pops up again, please do let me know. I'd love to come. Yeah. Because all of that is true.
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And don't say terribly sorry.
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Of course you're not. I'm not terribly sorry. You're not sorry at all.
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It's so ironic that I started this with an um while I was holding this particular image. Nice. So what is this image that I have in my hand for people that can't see this conversation right now?
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Verbal fillers. One thing we've come to learn from doing this podcast is that when a guest on the show uses a lot of verbal fillers, people get irritated in the comment section. It's so interesting, but it's really taught me a lot about how to speak better. Because if someone comes on the Diary of a CEO and the guest is constantly saying like, like, um, like, like, like, like, um, like, like,
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It's like the top three comments. I just did it then. Yeah. It's the top three comments on the video. Right. Should I be getting rid of these filler words? They're like, if I want to be a more effective, impactful communicator. Because the great communicators that I see on stages and stuff, they don't use like...
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You don't want to do that when you need to be very effective in your communication. Yeah. What is the most important thing we should have talked about that we haven't talked about as it relates to the work that you do, the questions that people ask you, and the value that you have to give to my audience? What's the most important thing?
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Yeah.
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Jefferson, thank you. You're a father, aren't you? I am, yeah. You've got two children, seven and five? Seven and five. So how are you thinking about what you say to them?
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What do you hope that people who read this book will walk away with it with in terms of value or a changed perspective?
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I highly, highly recommend anybody who relates or resonates with the conversation we've had today to go and get this book, because there's very, very few like it that approach it from the perspective that you have of someone who conversates for a living in many respects and where there's so much relying on your ability to conversate effectively. So I highly recommend everybody who gets this book.
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It has these wonderful illustrations in, which are some of the graphs that I put on the screen today, but it's an incredibly accessible book. It's not a book that you have to be a PhD level in some sort of scientific degree to understand. It's really, really relatable. It's written by someone who understands their audience tremendously well, but also clearly someone who's made a ton of content.
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You've 12 million followers online. and understands exactly how to relate to people. So this is the book for everybody.
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And if you've struggled with conversation, if you feel disempowered because you don't have the skill of the tongue like some people do, if you feel like you're dealing with difficult people in your life and being manipulated or don't feel like you have the tools to get your point across and to talk more and argue less, then I highly recommend you get this book.
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And I'll link it below for anybody that wants to check it out. We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next, not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for. And the question that's been left for you is, if you could go back in time 20 years and get a message from yourself today, what would that message be?
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Have you learned from that time? Have you changed in that regard?
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Thank you so much for doing what you do. It's an incredible gift to give people who feel...
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like the lights are off like they don't have as we said a second ago like the tools and the answers to be effective in their life and it's as we said it's such an unfair competitive disadvantage in life to have all the skills all the talent all the potential but it's to be trapped behind an untrained tongue yeah or an untrained mind in the context of how we respond and taking a pause and just having some of those really sort of foundational tools so thank you for doing what you do so it's no surprise to me that you're so incredibly resonant in this moment in time where
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And how does one learn that?
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Very relaxed.
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So many of us, quite frankly, especially younger generations, just don't know how to communicate. We don't know how to have a conversation, how to resolve conflict, because we're living behind screens now. Right. So much of our, you know, the muscle of communication and conversation isn't being trained in the same way.
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So highly recommend as well, if anyone's got any kids out there that are going off into the world and maybe have been glued to TikTok for too long, for them to listen to this conversation, to buy the book, and to get further into your work. Jefferson, thank you. Thank you very much. It's been an honor. The hardest conversations are often the ones we avoid.
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But what if you had the right question to start them with? Every single guest on the Diary of a CEO has left behind a question in this diary. And it's a question designed to challenge, to connect and to go deeper with the next guest. And these are all the questions that I have here in my hand. On one side, you've got the question that was asked, the name of the person who wrote it.
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And on the other side, if you scan that, you can watch the person who came after, who answered it. 51 questions split across three different levels, the warm-up level, the open-up level, and the deep level. So you decide how deep the conversation goes. And people play these conversation cards in boardrooms at work, in bedrooms, alone at night... and on first dates and everywhere in between.
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I'll put a link to the conversation cards in the description below and you can get yours at thediary.com. This has always blown my mind a little bit. 53% of you that listen to this show regularly haven't yet subscribed to this show. So could I ask you for a favor?
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If you like the show and you like what we do here and you want to support us, the free simple way that you can do just that is by hitting the subscribe button. And my commitment to you is if you do that, then I'll do everything in my power, me and my team, to make sure that this show is better for you every single week. We'll listen to your feedback.
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We'll find the guests that you want me to speak to and we'll continue to do what we do. Thank you so much.
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That right there is very, very effective. I've got so many questions. I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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And to do that, I have to kind of be comfortable with the fact that there will be a pause between my response and their question.
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Do you believe the robots are going to raise our kids? Because it feels like a slippery slope.
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So what is the perfect combination to achieve happiness in that regard then? Wealth does matter, but something else matters as well, which we tend to abandon when we get wealth.
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for the entire team, and I've agreed to the bet. So if you want to say thank you to the team behind the scenes at Diary of a CEO, all you've got to do is hit the subscribe button. So actually, this is the first time I'm going to tell you not to subscribe because it might end up costing me an awful- Dr. William Von Hippel. What have you spent the last four decades of your life doing?
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And what does evolution tell us about that competitive sort of dating game? What does it tell us, if I'm trying to be attractive as a man, what do I need to be demonstrating in order to attract the opposite sex as a human?
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So I've got honest signals of, did you say quality?
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Honest signals of quality is being attractive as a man. I've got risk-taking. What else?
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I often think about, like, personality. And why is humor a attractive quality in men?
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What about for women in terms of attraction? If you were to design a perfectly attractive woman from an evolutionary basis, what would that woman be like?
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So there's like a perfect hip-to-weight ratio.
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Do men typically care if a woman's rich from an evolutionary perspective? Does it matter?
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What is the basis for homosexual relationships in evolution?
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You're more attractive.
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Oh, okay. Which kind of feels like a bit of a contradiction to the idea that testosterone and risk-taking and being brawn and being masculine.
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So what is it about being a little bit gay? Like, what are the features? What are the features of being a little bit gay?
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One of the things that kind of dovetails into this is some of the stats that I was reading about education these days. This one stat here says that 58% of college graduates in the most recent cohorts were women, with one woman on campus for every two men.
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And with this scenario where there's more women becoming college educated than men at increasing numbers, you're going to get a bit of a mismatch in terms of women looking for those men who are up and to the right economically, but there's fewer men there.
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If women are looking for men that have more resources than them on average, which is what I read in some of the studies, I think it was roughly 70% of women say they want a man that has equal or more money than they do. There's a mismatch there, isn't there?
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Because as both become sort of more equalized, if there's still a desire for the man to have more and provide more, there's, again, it doesn't, the numbers don't,
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On an individual level, I guess if you're a man, you really do need to focus on your career if you want to have a chance of
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Speaking of the apps and swiping, we talked about how men on those apps, if they're not in that sort of top echelon of demonstrating authentic quality on the surface, so like rich, muscly, whatever, then their chances of getting swiped on are very, very low. What about for women? Because a lot of my female friends say that they hate the dating apps. They have no luck.
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They're only getting bad swipes.
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This is true, because actually, when I think about the particular friend I was thinking of, I asked to see her Tinder or whatever app it was many years ago. And I was like, oh, my God. I... Jesus Christ, I wish I had this many swipes. Because as a guy, I mean, I must have had Tinder for about a month back in 2000. When I was 20, I'm going to say 23, 24, I couldn't get swipes.
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And if I got some, listen, it wasn't anything to write home about. It was very, very rare. But when I looked at her Tinder that she was complaining about, she had hundreds of men. But she just didn't like any of them.
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Okay, so I was thinking about the attraction features of a woman that we talked about earlier. I know that if I'm a guy and I'm trying to have more success on the apps, on social media, what I need to do is I need to pull up in my Lamborghini, I need to hit the gym, I need to signal my quality in an authentic way that can't be disproven.
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And if I'm a woman, therefore, I need to be showing my hip ratio?
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Okay.
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Because I'm thinking about this graph that was in your book, which shows how much sex we're having and how much porn we're watching. And very simply, it shows that we're having less sex and we're watching more porn. And it's quite a considerable drop between 2006 and 2012. It said a percentage of 18 to 25 year olds who had had sex or watched porn within the last year.
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And about 80% of 18 to 25 year olds had had sex in the last year. And now it's getting down nearer to 65, 70%.
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And it looks like pornography consumption has almost tripled in that time period.
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And does this explain in part, when we're thinking about a pornography rise, why there is declining fertility rates We're having less and less kids than ever in the Western world.
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And some people are concerned about population collapse.
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And why should we look at evolution for answers on human happiness and success and as a sort of a guiding compass for what we should be doing with our lives? Why is evolution a place to look?
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We evolved to want to have sex. And in a world without the pill, that automatically resulted in children.
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Which is what happens when you had your baby recently. You have this huge sort of magnetic pull to the child.
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So we've intervened in nature's natural causes.
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Because the women are having less than that 2.1.
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You don't think it's possible that we're going to make ourselves extinct because we're not having fucking sex, are we?
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But we are having less sex as well, aren't we?
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So if you were prime minister or president of the world, and it was your job to get us having children again, based on what you know about evolutionary psychology and human incentives, what would you do?
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Last night I was with my girlfriend and I was joking because I read this article that Tesla's Optimus robots are now going into production and they're hiring the team, which are these sort of humanoid robots that will be in your house and help with the chores and dishes and stuff. And as a joke, I turned to my partner, I was like, we'll get two of those.
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And like one of them will like raise the kids and then the other one will like take the kid to school and stuff because I knew it was a joke. I knew her reaction would be pretty...
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Negative. And she was horrified. She goes, can you imagine a world where the kid would turn to the robot and call it daddy and mummy? Because the kid wouldn't really know the difference. And I sat here with a child psychotherapist, psychologist, who said that in those first three years, it's so critical for the primary caregiver to be around.
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and that the man and the woman caused the baby to release different types of hormones based on their gender. Yeah. So you almost can't... All that's true, but here's the thing.
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Because the parent releases certain hormones in the child. by their touch, the oxytocin. Robots don't release oxytocin. Not yet.
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It's a strange future to think about because it feels also like a slippery slope where we might start having kids and then giving them completely robot parents.
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So you've just had a baby, right?
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One and a half year old. Would you allow a robot to – I love the nannies I have.
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Hmm. And in marriage, this graph that I saw in your book shows that the percentage of Americans who are very happy or not too happy as a function of marital status quite clearly shows that if you want to be happy, you should be married. And if you want to be not too happy, you should be separated.
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As an evolutionary psychologist and someone who understands where we've come from and therefore our sort of innate behaviours and needs and desires and so on, what are the things that we're getting wrong as a species at the moment from your view?
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So it's the individualism that's causing their unhappiness, that's causing them not to marry. Yep, that's what I believe. And people that are less individualistic are getting married, and that's why.
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Or find the link in the description below. And what about things like ADHD and neurodivergence? Is there an evolutionary basis for why that occurs?
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I wonder if it will still be the case when we have all the robots and the AI doing everything for us.
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Do you think we're going to merge with technology more deeply in the future?
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You mentioned depression there. What's the evolutionary basis for humans getting depressed and anxious? Because presumably that's That's not productive for our survival.
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So does that mean that evolution tells us that the cure for anxiety is to stop thinking about the future effectively?
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I was at something that really I found quite interesting as well in your book. I think it was in Chapter 9 where you talk about religion and the fact that people that are associated with religious participation are typically more happy than those who are not.
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And by autonomy, you mean the sort of individualism where I don't need anybody anymore. It's about me. It's about my gratification, what I want now versus others and a community, a tribe.
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Why do we want religion? Because it's quite clear that there's something within us that wants to believe. You see this, I think we're seeing a little bit at the moment where we're seeing a return to religious belief in some degree. I know that it might not just be the religious belief that we think of. It might be spirituality or horoscopes or whatever it might be.
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But it seems like there's a real surge of it, especially amongst young men.
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Okay, so maybe it's the pursuit of something then that's creating the happiness versus them finding meaning. Maybe, we don't know. So you just said that when people search for meaning, they get happier.
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So that could imply one of two things, that they end up finding it or that it's the search itself.
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And what are some of the sort of stats that illuminate this problem, that make it clear that this is actually happening, in your view?
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But doesn't our evolutionary history tell us that we band together in tough times? Yes. But we band together to attack the others.
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And you're seeing that with like America versus China and America versus Mexico and whatever it might be in nationalism.
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I was sat here yesterday with... The wonderful gentleman, who I'm a big fan of, called Robert Greene, who wrote the book about power, 48 Laws of Power. What have you learned about power as it relates to our evolutionary past, and who ends up getting power in the world?
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And what about body language in this as it relates to power? Is there anything that we can learn from humans and other animals about what powerful body language is or unpowerful or powerless body language looks like?
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I've always wondered why billionaires who have more sort of objective power end up not wearing designer clothes and being more understated and wearing just the same outfit every day and they don't wear the designer brands and have Louis Vuitton.
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And maybe it's a counter signal at that point. So maybe if he had a Louis Vuitton bag, he would actually be lowering himself to the status quo.
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You've studied the Hadza tribe. You mentioned them repeatedly. Only indirectly. I've never been there. What is the most interesting thing you've learned about them as it relates to happiness and purpose and living a good life that you might pass to all of us that are listening?
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In that regard... Men need women more than women need men as it relates to connection.
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Because I read that... Marriage is more beneficial for men's longevity than it is for women's.
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And they're giving us more emotional support typically than women.
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These Hadza tribes that we keep talking about, do they stay together in marriages?
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Evolutionary path suggests that humans are serial monogamists.
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Oh, so cheating might be a natural part of being human.
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No. So if I'm a chimp and I leave the tree for a while and then my boy comes over and he has sex with my wife, I can't then find out that he did that?
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It made me think of my dog. My dog does something. He does a poo in the house. I come home an hour later. I tell him off.
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That happened an hour ago. He doesn't know what the problem is.
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You punish them an hour later, they go, I don't know what you're talking about. But when I come home and say my dog's pooed in the house or something, or he's done something naughty, he's hiding.
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Okay, so he doesn't actually know that it was, that I didn't want him to tear up the couch or whatever. But he does know that when the couch is torn up and I come home, that I'm going to be like, fucking hell, the couch.
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Because my dog, Pablo, he's never been around, I mean, he has been around other dogs, of course, but I only have one dog, so he's only ever lived with me. And I wondered, the first time I got a bone, like from the shop and I gave it to him, he like played with it a little bit, but then he picked it up and buried it in the couch. Yeah. And I'm like, what the hell are you doing?
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And then I give him another bone, and he picks it up and buries it on the couch. And then I end up lifting up the couch, and there's all these bones buried in there.
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As you guys know, Whoop is one of my show sponsors. It's also a company that I have invested in, and it's one that you guys ask me about a lot. The biggest question I get asked is why use Whoop over other wearable technology options? And there is a bunch of reasons, but I think it really comes down to the most overlooked yet crucial feature. It's non-invasive nature.
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When everything in life seems to be competing for my attention, I turn to Whoop because it doesn't have a screen. And Will Ahmed, the CEO who came on this podcast, told me the reason that there's no screen. because screens equal distraction. So when I'm in meetings or I'm at the gym, my Whoop doesn't demand my attention.
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It's there in the background, constantly pulling data and insights from my body that are ready for when I need them. If you've been thinking about joining Whoop, you can head to join.whoop.com slash CEO and try Whoop for 30 days, risk-free and zero commitment. That's join.whoop.com slash CEO. Let me know how you get on.
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I've invested more than a million pounds into this company, Perfect Ted, and they're also a sponsor of this podcast. I switched over to using matcha as my dominant energy source, and that's where Perfect Ted comes in. They have the matcha powders, they have the matcha drinks, they have the pods, and all of this keeps me focused throughout a very, very long recording day, no matter what's going on.
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And their team is obsessed with quality, which is why they source their ceremonial grade matcha from Japan. So when people say to me that they don't like the taste of matcha, I'm guessing that they haven't tried Perfect Ted. Unlike low quality matcha that has a bitter grassy taste, Perfect Ted is smooth and naturally sweet.
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I spend so much time talking to people about our evolution and what it tells us about our future and who we are. And you're the guy. You're the guy that knows more about our evolutionary past than I think anybody I've ever met. So I'm so curious to know if there's just anything else that someone like me should be aware of from...
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all the work you've done in studying evolution, any study, any story that was particularly pivotal for you and your thinking that shaped you that we haven't yet talked about?
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And are there any stats or data that proves that we're getting this wrong in terms of happiness? Are there other tribes or communities or people in history that were doing it differently and had higher rates of happiness?
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So what are the, if I had to force you, I don't like doing this, but if I had to force you to give me a summary of the top five things that are most correlated to my happiness in your opinion, are most likely to increase my probability of living a happy filled life. You have to give me five.
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What are those five things?
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Okay.
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When I think about doing that, I'm just going to be completely honest. No, you should be, because if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. No, no, when I think, yeah, so I'm just going to put myself in the head of the person that's hearing that.
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And a lot of entrepreneurs in my audience that are like very busy building their startup, they've got jobs that are demanding of them, that they're striving, and they're striving away from a life that they didn't like towards a life that they hope they will. So that's requiring them to give so much time and energy to like separate themselves from the crowd.
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So when they hear that they need to spend more time with their partner, many of them will be thinking, But then my business will fail.
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I do think I'm bullshitting myself a little bit because I go, could I spend another hour with my partner a day or another two, three hours a week and my business would be fine? Of course I could. But like you said, there's an inherent striving which can be out of whack.
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Number three. Yes.
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Dogs are amazing. And maybe one day as you were talking, I was thinking maybe people are going to get robots someday. And that's a sad thing to think about. But just like a robot generally to be their friend, which is quite grim.
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And number five, last but not least.
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And on that point about health, fitness, and lifestyle goals, I found out that you are a senior scientist at a company that I'm an investor in called Whoop. They also are a sponsor of this podcast, I should probably say. But you're a senior scientist there.
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And what are some of the cool questions you've asked that have garnered interesting answers thus far?
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So I could exercise in the morning, then I drink, and the impact of the drink is worse because I exercised. Because you exercised.
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So drink and don't exercise.
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So if I'm having a bit of like a naughty day, you know, if I'm like breaking all my rules.
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Interesting. Interesting. And then if I'm having a great day, like I'm eating really, really healthy and everything's going, I'm sleeping well.
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And I'm guessing here that what you saw in the data is you could look at someone who is drinking alcohol every day, for example, and then you could see on the days that they exercised as well, the impact of the alcohol on their biomarkers was more significant.
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Are there any other cool answers you've discovered in your time at WHOOP?
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When you put the whoop on?
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And why do you think they are happier than us? You think it's because they're living in tribes and groups or is it something else?
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I just did some research as you were explaining that also really interesting finding or hypothesis on the previous one, which is about why if I drank alcohol on the day when I exercised, it would cause my biomarkers to reflect a worse sort of state. And it says on days when you both drink alcohol and exercise, the combined psychological stresses can lead to...
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Alterations in your biomarkers reflecting increased oxidative stress, liver strain, dehydration, and inflammation. In contrast, on days when you consume alcohol without exercising, these effects might be less pronounced, resulting in different biomarker profiles.
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Is there anything else, one last thing, from your work as a senior scientist at WHOOP that is intriguing to you or any hypotheses you have that you're discovering from the data?
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What's the most important thing in your book, The Social Paradox, when finding what you want means losing what you need, that we haven't talked about, that is important for someone who's listening that wants to improve their life and increase their probability of happiness?
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William, thank you. We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for. So this question's going to come out of left field. Probably, yeah. You're given the chance plus the power to do one thing to save humanity plus make everyone happy. What would that be?
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Okay, but with justice, there's a subjective element, right, to what is just. Because if you look back through history, what we thought was justice changed.
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Which is what we look back at 200 years ago. Justice? What the fuck? Yeah.
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Thank you so much, William. Thank you for writing an incredible book. Your first book here called The Social Leap was a smash hit and is an extraordinary book. But this book is exceptional and it's exceptionally timed. I think that has to be said because where the world is at the moment, it feels like we're drifting to some degree. It feels like we're drifting from the...
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the island where our tribe are. And we're getting further and further away from knowing exactly what it is to be human. I think we're feeling the consequences of that if you look at a lot of the data. We're feeling the mental health crisis around the world, the increase in suicidal ideation and suicide, the increase in purposelessness, the increase in opioid addictions and things like that.
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And I don't think anybody could make the case in a way that's founded on what we're seeing, that we're... any closer to being human or whatever that means than we've ever been. And this book, I think, helps us to course correct. It helps us to understand. It turns the lights on.
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And as it says on the front, it helps us to understand that there's this important balance between autonomy and connection. We need both of them, but we need to get the balance correct. And many of us, including myself... know deep inside that maybe we're not getting that balance correct.
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And this is why this book is so wonderful, because it's confronting in the nicest possible way and in an important way. So I highly recommend everybody give it a read. It's called The Social Paradox When Finding What You Want Means Losing What You Need by William von Hippel. Thanks, Stephen. I really enjoyed chatting with you about it. I can't wait.
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I can't wait for people to read it and to send me lots of messages. Thank you so much. I appreciate you. Thank you. Totally my pleasure. This has always blown my mind a little bit. 53% of you that listen to this show regularly haven't yet subscribed to this show. So could I ask you for a favor before we start?
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And is that just because we don't take a moment to be grateful? Or is there something fundamental about the way we're pursuing happiness?
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And then what does evolution tell us about how to attract the opposite sex?
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And that's this graph here from your book, percentage of Americans who are very happy or not too happy in urban and rural communities. That's right. And it shows that people are pretty significantly happier in rural areas and report to having less unhappiness in rural areas.
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I have been forced into a bet with my team. We're about to hit 10 million subscribers on YouTube, which is our biggest milestone ever. Thanks to all of you. And we want to have a massive party for the people that have worked on this show for years behind the scenes. So they said to me, Steve, for every new subscriber we get in the next 30 days, can one dollar be given to our celebration fund?
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There was a graph that I saw, I think it was in your book, the percentage of Americans who spend evenings with neighbors at different frequencies by income. And it basically shows that the more money you have, the less time you spend with your neighbors.
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Is that how you characterize yourself? Someone that's doing things right, but in a way that others perceive as foolishness or naivety?
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People going after your reputation or them... Oh, sure.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Back to this episode. Your book comes at a really interesting time in my life personally. Your book is called We Who Wrestle With God.
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That's a form of suffering in a way, and everybody goes through suffering. And because you've been through that, have you been able to develop a strategy or some kind of anchoring that helps you when the wind blows like that?
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And it's my belief and suspicion that there's a lot of people wrestling with God at the moment. And when I say the word God, I don't necessarily mean some man in the sky with a beard. What I really mean is a greater meaning, a greater sense of meaning. The world feels like, and you speak to this in the book, that it's gotten more and more individualistic, and there's consequence to that.
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Is it true to say that if you hadn't have said what you think publicly, then you would have experienced less suffering than you have?
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So if you'd stayed in your practice as a clinical psychologist... No, because I would have had to bite my tongue.
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Is saying nothing a form of falsifying your speech?
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Because there's a lot of people probably listening now that have a lot they want to say. But if they say it, they're going to lose their job or there's going to be immediate consequences, which might mean they can't feed their family.
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And did you see this when you were in your clinical practice? Did you see it in people? Oh, constantly. How does it show up on the surface? What are the words that they say to articulate that this sort of slow diminishing?
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Last time we spoke, you said something which stayed with me. And I've actually forwarded it to a few of my friends on this particular subject. You said to me, you're going to have to sit and spend 90 minutes a week speaking to your partner.
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It's so annoying, but it's so important. And so many of my friends that have relationship difficulties, I send them this little four-minute clip I have on my phone of you saying that. Because...
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the 90 minute no it might be 95 minutes it might be 85 minutes but the concept of you need to sit down and create a space where she or he or whatever can tell you what they've noticed why they don't like you exactly yeah yeah yeah well it's especially i think i don't think that you can really establish the kind of relationship with a woman that you want with anything in the road
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Can you ever solve for that? So if I'm in a situation where my partner doesn't trust me because she was betrayed, whether it's something I did or whatever, how do you ever get rid of the devil at the bottom of the spiral?
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What if you just made a bad decision? As in like the person you picked, you think they're not compatible?
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You're increasingly successful. Your book warns against narcissism, Jordan.
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I have focused on myself for a long time. Okay, what does that mean? It means I fortified myself financially. Okay. So that I can support others, I can support family.
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Yeah.
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I go to the gym, so I'm strong, physically strong. Okay. Which is useful. I've learned a lot. Okay. I've done a lot of learning about myself, about how I show up in the world.
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Yes, I've learned some skills.
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Yeah.
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That is very much the story of my life. Like, I think, don't think people realize this, but I've actually been on, I think four dates in my entire life. I'm 32. And I took this really counter sort of Seems counterintuitive approach to myself, which was, as an 18-year-old, I basically couldn't attract anybody. I was also not on dating apps.
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I wasn't doing particularly... So for 10 years, I basically focused on myself. And, you know, 27 years old, someone messaged me. And I went on it. And this is how I am. Like... If I'm going to go on a date, it's going to be, I'm going to go all in. It was a three-day date that I planned in an Excel document. I've been with that person for six years.
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So I feel like I didn't go to bars and try and like, you know.
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When you say pretty damn rough, what do you mean?
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To find a mate or to have a child?
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Does that mean that men are insecure and sort of emasculated by a strong, successful woman? Sure.
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It's interesting because there's a bunch of stats which I find quite interesting. One of them is that sexlessness is increasing. People are having less and less sex.
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Does it matter? Oh, it's a catastrophe. And why are we having less sex? What is the complex web of factors that have brought us to this place?
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Do you believe in no sex before marriage as a concept?
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And why would that result in better relationships and a better society more broadly?
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So you're saying don't live together before you get married?
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So you're saying go from single to married and living together straight away without the trial period?
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What case would you make to me for marriage versus, because I'll be honest, I'm wrestling with marriage, not just God. I'm trying to understand what the point of marriage is versus the relationship we have now. But I can have children in the relationship I have now.
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But the traditional marriage agreement, one that's a legal agreement, can I not take my partner, have a wedding in front of our friends and family, sign a contract, maybe even do it in a sort of religious context without having it to be like a legal document that the government are involved in? Well, you could, but... Is it not the same bond to you?
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So where do we find ourselves now if we don't have that hierarchy and we aren't held in place by all those layers and sort of social and, I guess, family identities?
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How do you think your life would be different? And do you think... I don't think it would have lasted. You don't think your life would have lasted?
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It's complicated because even any answer I might give you is if you go down that spiral, you might find something at the bottom of it. That's not what I'm saying. So what I mean by that is just as you asked that question, I just got a glimpse of, I just had a bit of a flash to like my issues with commitment and how I watched. Okay. So what do you add a little fantasy?
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No, I just, I just remember recalling feeling like my dad was in prison when he was in his relationship. So I think that's still.
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But what are the downstream consequences of that?
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God, that's for sure. Talking of things that risk harming relationships, one of the things I wanted to ask you about, a subject we've never spoke about before, but it ties into the themes of relationships, marriage, and sex, is pornography.
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Yeah. Right, right. You talk about hedonism in your book, We Who Wrestle With God. Pornography, is this a bad thing?
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And talk me through the downstream consequences of such a possibility. It's easy. Yeah.
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To get what?
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You're not desperate anymore. So people that consume pornography, do you think they're less motivated to attack life?
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A way of that, are they then less likely to then want to go to the gym or have a career? Oh, definitely. It's an interesting idea.
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One of the interesting things we noticed when we were doing some research on this was the top Google search around this subject matter is, how do I quit? And I feel like the third one is, how do I quit? And it's in such high quantity of people searching Google for how to quit pornography that it feels desperate.
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And why doesn't pornography feel good to people?
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It's so interesting that people seem to be, a lot of people seem to be angry at it. They seem to be angry with what it's done to them.
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Even on an individual level, people seem, in the comment section of these episodes that we've done about the subject matter, people seem to be angry about its existence and what it's done to them. They should be angry. They should be outraged. It's outrageous. It's outrageous.
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And the brain is still forming at that age, isn't it? So it's an interesting way to shock the brain.
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What would you say to those individuals then that have been Googling that, like how to quit? Because I imagine if we thought about percentages, I'd say, what, 90% of people that are listening right now watch pornography? At least, I don't know what the numbers are, but it's a lot of people. It's the vast majority.
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Write down what it's doing to you.
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Well, these things creep in, don't they, to society and they become normal.
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We almost can't remember a time, if you're a young person, when there wasn't pornography. You definitely can't remember. You open up an app and you get... Absolutely, 100%.
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She won't argue with you. She won't do the 90 minutes a week.
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Yeah, a lot of people struggle with that. I've got a lot of friends that struggle with this idea of being with the same person forever.
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You play. It's interesting because actually, what I actually think is happening there is it's not that they are miserable with the same person forever. It's actually the thought. That's kind of what I said. The thought of being with the same person.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there's an element of control to it. On this point of hedonism as well, I was thinking, because we're talking about pornography, but there's many types of hedonism in my life, whether it's, you know, eating the cookie. I don't actually do this, but it's a metaphor. Eating the cookie from the minibar in my hotel room here in New York at 1 a.m.
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in the morning when I know tomorrow I'm going to regret it. There's all these forms of hedonism, like scrolling on TikTok or whatever it might be. And hedonism shows up in my life in these little uncontrolled, like, oh, gosh, fuck, I made a mistake. Sure, of course, of course. And it sometimes shows up when I'm disabled in some way, emotionally disabled.
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And so it's almost, it feels like it's a form of medicine. Now, I could write down on this page who I want to be. I could say, I don't want to be the person who eats the cookie. I don't want to be on TikTok. I don't want to watch pornography, all those kinds of things. But then staving off that moment where it's,
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you know, you're weakened in some way, and I use that word, maybe you're weakened in some way by something, tired or whatever. Sticking to those principles when in that moment, when it's hard, is that just, again, a case of just being clear on what I want in the long term?
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Yeah, okay, I don't want to live a life of misery.
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And you don't know how long that timeframe is.
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If I might have one day left.
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So I don't need to do this.
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Yeah.
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Because it's difficult, isn't it? There's just immense pressure when you're a podcaster to aim at something else. And you have to, me and Jack talk about this a lot, you have to have like a certain set of principles that are unnegotiable. But whatever principles you choose and believe in, they come at a great cost.
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One of my principles is I try not to judge the people I'm speaking to. And I try not to come in with preconceptions. I take them as I meet them. I try not to. I'm in search of genuine curiosity in them or some kind of answer or truth.
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Did I answer that question?
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Yeah, judgment might happen in my head, but it's then about how I treat the person based on that judgment. I don't want to treat them based, I don't want to have some like higher egotistical values that I'm correct.
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It's like, I think I'm better than you.
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Yeah, it's really not good. It's hard being a podcaster, especially in this particular moment where there's been such a
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focus on podcasting because of what's happened in the selection cycle yeah you really have to be clear on what you believe in because the winds are going to blow like that the world is going to try and sway you they're going to say you can't speak to this person you have to speak to this person don't do that don't do this this is wrong and you go okay so how do i weather such a storm when when i know the storm is coming i'm gonna have to look to rogan to go yeah look at what you know rogan the arc of rogan and if i'm if i'm also a podcaster just keep asking stupid questions
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It's a real question. Do you think Joe has, Joe Rogan, I've never actually met him, but do you think he just has great faith in humans? Because there's obviously been a lot of pressure on him. So how he survived that is he just has faith in who he is.
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Okay. And that those watching, which is a lot of people watching Rogan, will understand.
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For the person listening right now that is struggling with this concept of like, we talked about hedonism, discipline. Like they're just so far from it because there's a scale of people that are able to stay focused on the long term. For the people at the very other end of the scale who just look at their lives and go, I just, I hear what he's saying.
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What does one do on an individual level if they find themselves in such a society where individualism has taken hold and they can't necessarily easily change the society? Are there day-to-day, week-to-week choices that I'm making that are pushing me away from that meaning and purpose and sort of collective, I guess, sense of responsibility?
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What is self-belief in this context? Because so many people are in search of two words, I guess three words, but self-belief and confidence. And in this context of that small task, how is that building my self-belief or confidence?
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And that does what to me?
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Like the individual listening to this now that completely agrees with you finds himself as being a lonely person and goes, what do I do about this, Jordan?
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And in doing so, you actually realize that limits exist and you imposed one on yourself in the first place.
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It's interesting what's going on with young men in particular at the moment, because it does appear, and I don't have the stats on this in front of me, but it does appear that young men are more and more in search of some type of religion. Yeah, definitely. I think Islam, I think I read Islam's on the rise amongst young men, or it's the dominant religion that young men are being drawn to.
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But in the context of what we've described, that person who sat on the edge of their bed, do they need religion? And I'm being intentional not to say God, I'm saying religion.
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So the religion might be your society. It might be your friends, your family in this context.
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There's a really interesting, I grew up as religious until I was 18. I say religious because the term's difficult to define to me. But my mother believed in God. She was Christian. My father's Christian. And at about 18, I started reading a lot of Richard Dawkins books and other people's books.
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And I got to this place where I think I was atheist by the definition of I didn't think there was necessarily a God. And now I find myself in this place of being agnostic.
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Now, when I think about the Bible as a compass or as a guide, the part of my brain that's like rooted in this, like, I need evidence for everything, goes, is this just a book that a bunch of men wrote thousands of years ago when they were sat around a campfire or whatever? And if it is, then it's just one person's opinion. As much as any self-help book on a shelf is one person's opinion. Yeah.
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Why would I listen to the Bible more than I'd listen to something Socrates wrote or any philosopher?
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You've got the Darwinism evolutionary theory of we've evolved, et cetera. Then there's the more religious view that if you really think about the First Testament and the Early Testament and the stories of creation, People think maybe we were just popped out of nowhere. But where do we youth believe that we come from? Do you believe that God put us here? Or do you believe that evolution is true?
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Do you believe both are true? You have to read the book. But I want to.
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That's somewhat Darwinism.
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Do you believe my great-great-great-great-granddad was an amoeba?
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I'm asking these questions because I'm genuinely wrestling with a bunch of big existential questions that I've actually only been wrestling with maybe for like, I'd say a year. So it's very fresh for me. And it's funny, my arc here is religious Christian up until maybe 18, like staunch atheist for two years to the point that it was like my identity. And then like...
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let go of that, drifted for a couple of years and find myself at this really interesting point where I'm like back at the door of like, okay, let's re look at some of these answers again.
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Yeah. It's the time we're in. Oh, definitely.
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It's failed us, the individualism.
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Okay.
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I agree. I mean, have you obviously read the book Sapiens by Novel Harari? And his central point is that what bound us as humans and stopped us being these scattered chimps were stories. They bind us together. So I completely understand that we need a story. It's how everything, money, governments, et cetera, function.
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But what that story is, now I can agree that... It's a story of voluntary sacrifice. 100% agree that humans need that. There's no chance that we'd be here otherwise. And it's a set of values and principles. Now, those values and principles are often found in religion, and a belief in a God, but do they have to be?
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Could they be found in... Could I theoretically make a new religion where me and my friends all... unite against a set of values, sacrifice, giving, parenthood?
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So can I ask then, so is it the case that humans are designed in such a way where there's a certain set of values and stories that are most conducive with their...
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reproductive survival and so if that's true and i completely agree understand why that would be true because this true true for all species like there's a set of stories and narratives probably in my dog if you go back to 100 years from when his ancestors were in the wild that he needed to subscribe to to reproduce to be a dog and to survive but so the question then becomes where do those values come from are they innate within us because of our environmental factors so
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I need to be this way because of the environment I live in so that I can have sex with somebody and reproduce because I have two arms, two legs, et cetera. I'm this advanced chimp. Or do they come from above somewhere and they're granted down to me? Because if I look at every animal... Not or, and.
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Are you clear yourself on it?
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And is that an environmental issue?
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So does my dog have a different religion to me? Does he have a different God? To some degree.
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I was going through my head and thinking about the Venus flytrap and my French bulldog, Pablo, and they all need a different set of behaviors and principles and values to survive and thrive and be happy.
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So I was thinking then, does that mean that they all have a different God?
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Yeah, because of the environment and the factors that they face as that species. So then Pablo's God might be slightly different to my God, if we're talking about... Because I'm trying to understand if this idea of God is a set of evolutionary motivations.
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When I say evolutionary motivations, it doesn't feel so divine. It doesn't feel like a place, a reason to gather in a church. It feels like I'm just kind of a robot that's being steered by these motivations of don't do that, do this. This feels good. If you're with your friends and family, you feel good, so do that more.
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And if you're with your friends and family, you're safer, so you're more likely to have kids. Or is it this sort of divine thing that society has told us God is, where we should worship and we should thank you so much and go to a church and get on our knees and pray? Because they're two very different things. One is like practical and pragmatic, and the other one is this divine thing.
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The wider moral framework, could that wider moral framework just be In my DNA, I'm hardwired to want to reproduce.
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Not anymore, certainly.
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I just can't figure out whether this is... What order things happened in, in terms of... Is the Bible just a consequence of people trying to figure out our evolutionary motivations and turn them into these stories that guide us? Why just... Okay, we can remove the word just. Well, but that's an important removal. It's an important removal because it has bound people.
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the source of nature, society, and the psyche. This is an interesting question. It's a very direct one, but I would love just an answer that I, because I haven't got clarity on this. What is it you, what God is it that you believe in? I've had you talk about this sort of substrate idea and such, but in a simple way that I can understand, do you believe in a man in the sky God?
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Do you believe in, it's a force?
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So what is it you believe?
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I'm going to ask you again because I want to be clear. What is the God you believe in?
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Okay.
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But I think it's true. So you believe that Jesus was... God? God.
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Has your belief in God, religion, been shaken at all? Oh, yes. Definitely. Constantly. Over the last year and a half, two years, you've been through a particularly difficult time with losing people in your life that are sort of foundational to you. Tammy as well.
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In that moment, you know, I've been in my relationship for some time now. And I genuinely think I'd rather die myself than my partner die. Uh-huh. And you were there as Tammy was struggling with her health.
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Which is not something I've heard you actually talk about before in what I've observed. She was dying. Is that harder to take for you than your own pain and struggle?
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And this all happens at the same moment, the same couple of years of your life. Is there anything to, you know, people always search for silver linings and things. Is there anything?
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But... At least he has meaning. Well, and he's not... The villain, at least the villain has meaning.
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Over the last two years, you've been through a particularly difficult time. And because you've been through that, have you been able to develop a strategy that helps you go through suffering?
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Hmm. It's true. I agree. I don't know what it is, but I... Well, you know some of it.
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Well, as a podcaster as well, I don't think you really truly understand your principles until they're tested. So, and especially when they're tested from both sides. So, you know, this side's telling you to be more like this and this side's screaming at you to be more like this. And you're faced with a decision. When you're, you know, when I started out as a podcaster, there was no one screaming.
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There was no one there. Right, right. But at some point in the journey, you get immense pressure.
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Well, then you're also... And that forces a decision out of you.
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Yeah. It's funny because actually it links back to some of the principles we've talked about today. One of the things I've learned is having a good relationship, like good friendships and a good relationship with my wife. is actually the foundation for me to be able to navigate the people screaming at me from both sides. Yeah, why? Because it just anchors me in...
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It's like an anchor of like knowing who I actually am irrespective of the crowd telling you who you are.
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Divine, what do you mean by that?
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Yeah.
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And it's nice because, as you said, when I go out into the world, everyone is very nice to me. It's just if you spend too long on the internet, people scream at you from both sides. They say, do it more like this, do it like this. Where are the CEOs? This is called Diary of a CEO. We want more of these kind of guests. We should talk about this. Politics, Trump, Kamala, Trump.
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And in the middle of that, you're going, fucking hell. And that's where you have to take some time to really tune into yourself and go, who am I and why am I doing this? And what are my principles? And irrespective of the principles I choose, or I believe in that there's going to be suffering and there's going to be sacrifice and there's going to be great adventure as well.
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And the good, one thing I really like that helps me for some bizarre reason is the knowledge that I will die someday. Why does that help? It just, it's a good question. Why does it help? It helps because I think it's focusing in me on what actually matters.
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In a way that it wouldn't be as easy to otherwise. What it's saying is, it's just a reminder of, okay, if I'm going to die someday, then actually this person's screaming at me to be more like this. it obviously doesn't matter. Like it obviously doesn't matter in the context of my other priorities.
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Scarcity always makes the value of something.
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I agree.
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That's why it's an important, I don't know, Seems like a weird thing to say, but it reminds me that what's trivial and what's not in the context of a finite amount of resources, time, attention that I can commit. It's foolish to commit some of them to some of the things that I find myself committing them to sometimes when I remind myself of that death.
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The top, okay.
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Curiosity.
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Yeah. And it's something that I'm trying to learn. So it's typically, when I've seen you wrote a book called We Who Wrestle With God.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. But I thought this is a subject that I'm curious about. So I would like to talk to Jordan to see if he can help me, you know, fill in this sort of jigsaw puzzle in my brain of subject matters that relate to this. And I evolve. I'm probably going to have kids soon.
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And when I have my kids, I'm going to be curious about parenthood and I'm going to speak to, you know, guests that can help me with that. That's been my framework. And it's worked in terms of I still like doing this.
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That's a really nice way of thinking about it. Moving towards an answer. Yeah. Not even sure what the answer is, but.
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That's fine. We were touching this earlier, but it's something that I wanted to touch on because one of the themes of this podcast is often the subject of grief. And I read that you'd lost both of your parents within sort of six months of each other. What does that moment teach you about priorities, about life, about what matters, about anything that you could pass down to me that's important?
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What's the lesson, if any, she left with you?
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Jordan, we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next, not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the question left for you is, how do you feel most misunderstood?
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So the first thing. I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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That's for sure. Jordan, thank you so much. It's a privilege we share because doing this for me is a great privilege. And the fact that it positively impacts anyone is everything you've just said.
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And I see that in your work, but also I see it when we have these conversations in the immense avalanche of people who profess that you've changed their life in some positive way and move them in a better direction. And that's irrefutable and no one can, you know. I mean, as I say, there's no greater privilege. So Jordan, thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it.
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It's always a pleasure talking to you. Thank you. Isn't this cool? Every single conversation I have here on The Diary of a CEO, at the very end of it, you'll know, I asked the guest to leave a question in The Diary of a CEO. And what we've done is we've turned every single question written in The Diary of a CEO into these conversation cards that you can play at home.
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Do you think many people have an ultimate aim in their mind? They do whether they know it or not. And what do you mean by that? So like the average person listening to this now, are they conscious at all of what they're... No, but it's implicit.
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Someone said to me actually yesterday, they said an interesting way to understand your self-narrative or your self-story is to answer the question, if you were a character, a fictional character, who would you be? And in that you'd figure out whether you have this sort of heroized story or if you're a victim. So I'll ask you that question. Yeah, right.
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Yeah.
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Volume, melody, and hand gestures.
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Okay. Okay.
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So I reckon you would have insights here too. I was looking earlier, there's almost like a billion search results on Google for people trying to figure out or trying to provide answers to how to communicate successfully. So let's get into it. So you use this term vocal image.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Back to this episode. If you had to summarize what it is you do fundamentally and why you do it, how would you summarize it?
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What does vocal image mean?
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So let's talk about how one can improve their vocal image so that they're effective across context. Sure. You mentioned melody, volume, hand gestures. If we start with melody, what the hell is melody? The different notes you can hit with your voice.
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Like a horror movie. Scary.
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Yes.
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A little three-year-old stood on the landing of the staircase at night time.
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Can you have a pretty limited range, a limited melody, but still hit people with scary and sad and inspiring? I believe you can.
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So just read that as you would. Okay, so for those that can't see, Vin has passed me a card. Yeah, cue cards. And on the card it has a bunch of words which I'm just going to read. And as you're listening at home, have a guess of what movie this is from. Wanna know how I got these scars? My father was a drinker and a fiend. And one night he goes off crazier than usual.
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Mummy gets the kitchen knife to defend herself. He doesn't like that, not one bit. So me watching, he takes the knife to her, laughing while he does it, turns to me and he says, why so serious, son? Comes at me with the knife. Why so serious? He sticks the blade in my mouth. Let's put a smile on that face. And why so serious? Beautiful. What movie is that from? No idea.
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I don't want to tell you this.
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Not one bit. Good. So me watching. He takes the knife to her. Yes. Laughing while he does it. Good. Turns to me.
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Again, at this point, when people heard me squeaking like Mickey Mouse, they're going to say, fuck me. You're going to have to remind me again, Vin, why this is worth it.
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I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you that I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you. I will not pursue you.
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But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.
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That is the movie called, where he, his daughter gets kidnapped.
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Yes, it's, that's with an L, his name. Lion King, I'm joking.
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Okay.
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That simple rule. And what does changing my rate of speech then do to the message I'm communicating? It makes it more clear? There's more clarity in it, right?
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Okay, right.
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So I want to slow down where I want to hit emphasis.
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When people are nervous, what happens? They speed up. They speed up. Considerably. Considerably. And have they ever measured that? Does anybody know?
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And what's the average person speaking at in terms of words per minute?
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Okay, I'm going to start from here. Sure. If you're looking for a ransom, I can tell you that I don't have money. But what I do have are a particular set of skills. Skills I've acquired over a very long career. Skip to the end. If you let my daughter go, That will be the end of it. I will not look for you. I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you.
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Now I feel scared. There's something, I noticed this in like board meetings and stuff, especially with like younger team members or people that would class themselves as being shy, that they do hurry along. And there is a certain, someone said to me the other day that people that have the most confidence and charisma, they like move and talk as if they were a lion. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, they're slow and they're composed.
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Yeah.
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Now, if you know what you're worth, then go out and get what you're worth. But you have to be willing to take the hits and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you want to be because of him or her or anybody. Cowards do that. And that ain't you. You're better than that.
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Okay.
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Mm-hmm.
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And what signals I'm not a confident person? What side of the scale?
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Okay.
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And what about leaders?
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Now, if you know what you're worth... to take the hits and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you want to be because of him or her or anybody. Cowards do that. And that ain't you. You're better than that.
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We did rate of speech, we did volume, we did the melody. And then there's two left, right? There's two left, yeah. So this one, read it as you would, parts of it. And it's not because I'm lonely. And it's not because it's New Year's Eve. I came here tonight because when you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible.
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And it's not because you're lonely. Yeah. And it's not because it's New Year's Eve. Surprised, really surprised. I came here tonight because when you realize you want to spend the rest of your life- Angry. Give me angry. You want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible. Happy. Best day of your life, Stephen. You want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible.
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That's so beautiful.
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Hmm.
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Right.
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Yeah. It shows them you're locked in. Yeah, you learn it as a podcaster. Yeah, you do. Because the audience, they're looking at you for most of the conversation. So 95% of the conversation is on you. Yes. What they don't know is that throughout that time, I'm basically talking to you with my face. You are. And you're really good at it. So if I turn my head like this, it means tell me more.
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So you'll be talking to a girl like this. Yes. And it means tell me more.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And then it's interesting. And you can expand that range. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
He's locked in. The thing I've learned from both speaking on stage but also doing this is you can also fuck it up. You can also communicate the wrong thing accidentally. One of them that people communicate quite often accidentally is they start talking while you're speaking. Do you ever know that? Like when someone's listening to speak. they start going like this.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it means shut the fuck up. I have something to say. I just did it to you. No, but it's that kind of thing. It's like, you know, I think, who was on my podcast? It was Vanessa. She said, if you do the fast nod, it means shut the fuck up. So if you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you do the slow nod, it means, oh, I love this. So if I go...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Versus, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and wave my hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so tonality.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Do you think much about the actual words you're saying as well? Of course. I can see that you think about the structure of what you're saying. I do. Because when you start speaking, I notice that you often go into a story straight away. Something interesting. You'll say, this is one of the greatest things I've learned from my teacher. Is that intentional?
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How much do you think that will change the trajectory of someone's life? Like, what is the impact? If I get really good at communication, why does it matter? I was invisible my...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
But all of a sudden, there was so much life, so much zest in that story. I noticed you added so much almost irrelevant detail.
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Oh.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
But you talked about the bar having two floors and stuff. To make it visual. Okay, so I can picture it in my mind.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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It's just give me the three tips now. I've heard you talk about these four elements to a great story, which is the hook. the struggle, the breakthrough, and the application, which is kind of what you just displayed there. Well, the importance of application, I think, is something that I really focus on with my students. And by application, you mean the lesson or the big takeaway from the story?
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Because sometimes people tell stories and they go nowhere. Well, it's also what you do after. Okay.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
So the key is to get out there and start running some of these techniques in the real world. And just pick one.
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My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius. Correct. Commander of the armies of the north, general of the Felix legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius, father to a murderous son, husband to a murdered wife, and I will have my vengeance in the life or the next.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions. Loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to the murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance in this life or the next.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
There's something when you pause, you almost – you tell the person, don't you, almost inexplicably that – that you should really give a fuck about the thing you just said. Like it really mattered. It's important. Yeah, because you're like giving it space to breathe.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Do you think there's a certain set of those tools that when applied or a certain sort of style of speaking that makes people dislike you? Is there a certain one that just doesn't make them warm to you? Is it the low pitches? Is it the fast speaking?
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And am I right in thinking if I wanted to be really boring, I should just kill all variety? Kill all the foundations.
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Why does it have to be one or the other?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
It's a shame not to do your work justice, you know, because you can do it a disservice just by delivering it without the foundations, as you've said.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And then other people, as you said, they can have half the idea, but double the... Double the showmanship.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
How does one increase their self-awareness as it relates to their communication skills? Is there a practice I can do to understand if I'm good, bad, or ugly at this?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Why does it matter to remove the clutter words? You know, the like, as, why does it matter?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
what we're doing right now, just pausing. And it's okay. So I've got my three sheets of paper there. I've done the auditory assessment. I've done the visual assessment. I've looked at the transcript and I've seen the words. And again, is it repetitions from there on after? Step before that. Okay.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
100%.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
How does one know if they're doing that and how to change it?
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100%.
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Review it.
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Do you mind if I pause this conversation for a moment? I want to talk about our show sponsor today, which is Shopify. I've always believed that the biggest cost in business isn't failure. It's the time you waste trying to make decisions. Time spent hesitating, overthinking, or waiting for the right moment. When I started my first company at 20 years old, I had no experience and no money.
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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And when you went up on stage as a keynote speaker, was there anything that you did before you went on stage to make sure that you performed optimally? Because you were speaking, what, 80 times a year or something?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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It's an interesting idea to think that we might rise or fall to the level, not of our technical ability, but our communication skills as it relates to how the world perceives us. And it's both.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And is there anything you do with your mouth and your tongue? Because sometimes, especially if I've woken up early in the morning and I'm jumping on a Zoom call with some foreign time zone, it feels like my mouth isn't quite there yet. And also it feels like my brain's not connected to my mouth.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
The other thing that I learned from studying your work is this idea of the power sphere when you're on stage.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
This power sphere. I've got a picture here.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
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And why are they doing that? Because they're... Because they're playing small.
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Yeah. My face changed as well.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
I was going to say, with the level of one where you start pointing your hands down, I thought you wanted to get off stage. And I don't want any. I don't want any questions.
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I notice this on the podcast sometimes. I notice that people accidentally do it when they say something. Yeah. Because they'll say something like, you know, entrepreneurs, they can be quite sad because they don't have that balance. And as they're saying it, they'll like accidentally point at me.
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But it does make contextual sense. They'll go, you're an entrepreneur, sometimes they don't have work like that. And they're like, they don't know they're doing it, but they're like subtly gesturing in my direction. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
I guess all of this stuff also applies to when you're making video clips for social media. So many of us are building personal brands and trying to make content, but we make boring, unengaging videos.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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I think there'll be a certain cohort of people listening that just go, oh, God, this is so... I know, I know.
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It sounds so exhausting, Vin, and I just can't be bothered, Vin. I can't. You must have heard this before. I've heard it before.
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If you want this, then this is how you get it. The world has really changed, especially in the last couple of years post-pandemic, and much of our communication now takes place on video calls, Zoom, Google Hangouts, this kind of thing. How do the rules that you've said and you've talked about today apply or not apply to when I'm doing my Zoom meetings? Yeah.
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All of your vocal foundations disappear. So what do I need to be thinking about to be effective? I want to be the most effective person on my Zoom calls. Because I do worry sometimes. I do worry because I have big investment meetings and stuff with startups or founders that I'm in the process of trying to do a deal with. And I think, God, if we do this on Zoom, it might not be so good.
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I might come across worse. I feel like I'll come across better in person. So I often move the meeting to in person. And then sometimes it's not always convenient, right? It's never convenient because you've got to drive somewhere and fly somewhere. So I'd rather be effective on Zoom. Nothing will replace this.
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Okay, so there's a light behind you. Yes. There's one on the side here. Yes. And there's one in the front. Is that what you mean?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Okay.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
So much of this is about identity, isn't it? It is. We're like, so many of us, including me, we're trapped in our identity, like who we think we are. Do you know what one of the really remarkable things that always reminds me how like BS, our communication style and our identity by way of this is, is just different accents.
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Yes.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
The fact that someone can live in an area and they can be Scouse or they can live in another area and they sound completely different, like they're from New York or something. It just goes to show that we're just... Like, it's so contagious and easy to blend in with one's environment.
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There are some accents that, experience more discrimination than other accents. They did a study in 2006. It was a survey of the Chartered Institute of Personal and Development found that 76% of employers admitted to discriminating against candidates based solely on their accent. We judge a book by its cover, don't we?
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Yeah, I mean, when you told me that your English was your third language, I couldn't believe that. Because there's no remnants. There's usually a remnants of the language you spoke before. There's like no evidence of it. Because this has become the primary language that I speak the majority of the time now.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
But even so, my mother, she spoke in, I guess she's Nigerian, so she spoke Nigerian for her childhood, moved to the UK when she was, I think, late teen years, so maybe early 20s. But there's always been the remnants of Nigerian and she's almost 60 now. So that's 40 years. Is that just because she hasn't tried to? Well, I think it's linked to identity.
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I'm not saying she should because there is something about your origin that gives you a little bit more... That's right. Something a little bit more interesting.
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There's a big difference. Research indicates that individuals who use non-standard speech patterns such as African-American vernacular English often face negative perceptions regarding their intelligence, competence, they have worse housing opportunities, and they have worse legal outcomes. Right. It's a profound adverse reaction just from how you speak.
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It's a real unfairness, like an injustice, isn't it? It is. It is.
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That's wild that you went from not speaking the language to being paid millions to speak the language and to teach other people how to speak it.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Actually, it's even more extreme because you were bullied for not being able to speak the language so much so that you had to move to five different schools. And now you earn millions from speaking the language and teaching others how to speak it. Probably some of the same people that would have bullied you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
When dealing with people like bullies, workplace bullies, people that are insulting you or patronizing you, what is the best technique conversationally to disarm them or to stop them from doing it or to come out on top per se, whatever that might mean?
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What if you, I'm in Dragon's Den. I'm in Dragon's Den. There's a hundred pictures a year. They come into the den, five of us dragons here. We're interrogating them. We're asking them difficult questions. Based on what you know about communication, how should they handle our critiques and our challenges? Is it that yes and thing? Because what's the opposite of yes and?
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The opposite of yes and is yes but.
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So it's a simple technique in the world of... It's so effective though. I see it in the dead all the time. I see when my fellow dragons will be like interrogating someone and I'm watching. And I watch some of them. They go, yeah, but, but, but. And they just get the person's backup. Like they just, it's like it becomes this real antagonistic exchange.
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And it reminds me of Tali Sherratt, who's a neuroscientist that was on my podcast, who...
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told me they did studies where they put two people in these like brain scanners and they got them to agree and agree and agree and scan their brains and when they agreed their brains were illuminated then in the next round they got them to disagree at a certain moment and when they disagreed with each other in these brain scanners their brains basically shut down because they've gone into shut down it's almost like you could when i say shut down it's like the lights went out
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And so she taught me this law that I wrote about, which is called never disagree. When you say that, people go, never disagree. Doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense. That's what yes and is so good for.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
be ignored and that was a long time ago and i guess the question that it leaves me with is how easy is it for someone to learn like what is the time span that it would take from the experience you've had with teaching people to make a radical change in your communication skills it depends on your level of desire and motivation if you really want it
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
The other thing that people struggle with a lot, and we talked about it a tiny little bit earlier on, is starting conversations and small talk. It's difficult. I think it's becoming increasingly more difficult as we become more sort of digitalized in our lives.
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This sounds like a crazy fucking thing to say on a podcast in 2025. How do we start a conversation with another human being? I've got a favorite.
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Gosh, that's crazy. I've got to beat alpacas now. Don't beat alpacas. Whatever you like. I've got a dog called Pablo.
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Hi. I'm really enjoying this conversation and I'm learning a lot, which is amazing. Lo, I haven't been working out in the gym as much as I want and I'm concerned that my balance is off because I'm recording a lot and things are out of whack and I'm trying to work in the evenings and that's a struggle trying to squeeze my relationships in there as well. Random interesting thing.
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I'm training for a marathon that I haven't signed up to yet.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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But what if I'm in an elevator or I'm in a social setting, I'm at a networking event?
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Okay.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
You think you can change your communication skills in a radical way in three to six months?
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I'm going to roll around the office when I get back to London and I'm going to ask people for some high-low buffalo.
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Yeah.
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And if you follow me on Instagram, you've probably noticed that recently I've picked up running, which I'm very much enjoying. And it started out as a challenge, but it's now evolved into something I do almost daily. It is one of those things that's pushing me to be better every single day. But here's the thing. To me, progress isn't just about pushing harder.
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It's also about training in a smarter way. which is where my WHOOP comes in. WHOOP doesn't just track my workouts, it tells me how ready my body is to take them on before I've even started the workout.
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A few years ago, WHOOP ran a study called Project PR, and it found that runners who adjusted their training based on their recovery scores improved their 5k times by an average of 2 minutes and 40 seconds, while reducing injury risk by over 30%. and they did it while training less.
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So if you're looking for this type of guidance when it comes to your training, head over to join.woop.com slash CEO and get a 30-day trial with zero commitment. That's join.woop.com slash CEO. Let me know how you get on. Small talk is so critical. I was reading this study that said 55% of relationships, both professional and personal, are formed through small talk and casual interactions.
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A study done by the University of Oxford. And it says that 80% of conversations in the workplace involve some form of small talk. That's Harvard Business Review. If I want to be a master at small talk, is there anything else that I need to know? I really struggle with small talk. Three, two, one.
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And do you think I should have some nuggets, some questions in my back pocket that I roll out frequently, some pre-prepared small talk things that aren't, have you seen the weather?
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Is there an art to having a difficult conversation? So say someone has been, always interrupts me at work.
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Yeah, I can interrupt this guy.
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Yeah.
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And then you have to reclaim your land. Do you think you have to mirror someone's, you know, you talked about these five foundations. Am I meant to mirror yours to relate and resonate with you?
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To build that rapport, I've heard you talk about this thing called FORD.
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And why does having a broader set of things to talk about cause more resonance and connection?
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There's something about the depth of the question, I think, as well, that just like... It hits people.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
It hits people. Especially the vulnerable thing. When you started saying that you were struggling with too much.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
There's something that changed in me. I was like, oh.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
100%.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And so many people hate hearing their own voice. They do. I remember the first time I heard my own voice, I couldn't believe it, when I was recording those little cassettes back in Plymouth when I was a kid.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
What areas of one's life... Have you seen in those examples change when someone learned communication skills? Because the examples we've given so far are just like work.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
So this is why I thought I could sing. And then when I recorded singing and I played it back, I was dreadful. Made the same error. I couldn't believe it. I thought something was wrong with the recorder.
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I wouldn't say I love it, but I'm so used to it. It doesn't make me cringe anymore.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Really? Yeah. Social anxiety. Some people do have like severe social anxiety. So many of the things, they might have clicked on this conversation because they're interested, but they have no belief in themselves that they could ever change because they literally, their body goes through almost like a panic attack when they're in these social situations. What do you say to those people?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Why? Why?
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Okay, thank you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
No, but I can relate as well because I sometimes wonder if energy is finite. Well, it is. Because I do this podcast and then I'll go into the real world and I just, I don't want to have, I'm so, I'm depleted.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And I always wondered if that's something I could do something about, if I just need to buck up and just, you know, try and be.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
You probably hypnotized them or something. Yeah, I don't know. It's an energy bribe. Going back to what you said earlier, you said that you're at a phase in your life where you're struggling with the thought that when is enough enough?
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
What is that struggle though? So struggle implies that there's two forces pulling in two different directions. So describe both forces to me.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And it's mutually exclusive.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
So you're going to help me in work, you're going to help me be a more entertaining, engaging parent. Are there any other areas of one's life that improve when they crack communication?
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And how are you navigating that in terms of have you got a framework for – The decision or a framework to know what you should see us to and what you shouldn't?
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
incredibly beautiful your father as well yeah was and is an incredible person you were telling me a little bit about him before but i also did some research on the life he lived and what he went through and his brothers and his family and it was incredible and he is now a monk and my mom tell me about that conversation yeah mom and dad before i moved to the u.s they
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
He said we're suffering.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Millions.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And how many people have you taught in person and or online? Oh, over 70,000 now. Wow. You have millions and millions and millions of followers online as well that tune in to learn communication skills from you from all around the world.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
What has he told you about the endless pursuit of more? Has he given you any cautionary sort of warnings about... Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And if I was to zoom in on the DMs that you get, the things that people are struggling with when they message you, the reason why they watch your videos, what is it?
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100%.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
It's there. You could go to New York.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
I've got a previous version of you here. What was that kid like at that age? Starving for attention.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
What did he need to hear? If you could teleport back and you could have a whisper in his ear and just give him a couple of sentences at that moment in time, what would you say to him?
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Vin, what's the most important thing that we haven't spoken about, that we should have spoken about today as it relates to the work that you do? And if you had to guess what the person at home, that question that they have that I didn't ask, that they're screaming at the screen, what it might be that we didn't cover, what do you think it would be?
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Yeah.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
I love that. neutral ears then we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're leaving it for and the question that's been left for you what is one thing that you know to be true doing pauses do you see that even though you can't prove it
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And we're going to go through them. But some people do have severe social anxiety. What do you say to those people? The first thing I would do is...
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
I mean, gosh, yeah. A much more productive, optimistic, effective way to live.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Even if I'm wrong.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Finn, thank you. Thank you for coming all the way from Australia and thank you so much for the work that you do. You're so remarkably good at making the complex simple.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And I think I really, really deeply believe, and this is why I wanted to speak to you, I really, really believe that there's so many people, this is interesting language I'm about to use, that are basically being unfairly treated by the world because for whatever reason they didn't come across the skills, the skills that you've spent many, many, many years using. giving to people.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And I just really hope that there's someone listening now who has had that, and I know there will be because there's so many people in your audience and I've seen the feedback that you get, who's had the trajectory of their life altered in relationships, professions, the job, the promotion, family, communication, whatever it might be. Because of you.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
And I know, because I've seen the comments, I know that there are many, many, many, many, many, many thousands and thousands and thousands of people who have said exactly that. So on behalf of all of them, but also on behalf of the people that have even one tool out of what you said today, one place to start on that journey towards a different tomorrow trajectory, life. Thank you.
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Thank you for the work that you do. I know it must get fucking boring after a while, doing the same thing, saying the same stuff, being asked the same questions, getting the same DMs. But it is so important. It really is.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Because as you experienced as a young man, the way that you can feel the isolation, the loneliness, the disconnect, the feelings that you're different and that you're missing something can really drive you down. a very miserable, despairing path in life. And someone like you helps people turn the lights on and shows them a better way. So thank you on behalf of all those people. Thank you, Stephen.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
Thank you.
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The Public Speaking Expert: This Speaking Mistake Makes People Ignore You! These Small Mistakes Make You Unlikeable!
The hardest conversations are often the ones we avoid. But what if you had the right question to start them with? Every single guest on the Diary of a CEO has left behind a question in this diary. And it's a question designed to challenge, to connect and to go deeper with the next guest. And these are all the questions that I have here in my hand.
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On one side, you've got the question that was asked, the name of the person who wrote it. And on the other side, if you scan that, you can watch the person who came after, who answered it. 51 questions split across three different levels, the warm-up level, the open-up level, and the deep level. So you decide how deep the conversation goes.
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And people play these conversation cards in boardrooms at work, in bedrooms, alone at night. and on first dates and everywhere in between. I'll put a link to the conversation cards in the description below and you can get yours at thediary.com.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
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And why is it that we don't want to play with those other keys? Is it because we've got so used to playing with a particular set of keys and you're so familiar with it? Playing the other keys comes at a cost, a perceived cost.
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Oh, I'd lose it.
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If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love.
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So that's the symptoms. You're naming the inadvertently symptoms of someone who has damaged their hippocampus, right? So poor memory, probably poor spatial awareness, brain fog. And mood.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
I'm like, that's not a good trade-off. On your blog, you published a study from 2019, sorry, from 2009. It was a study on monkeys that showed a decline in new brain cell development. And in that study, there was a 58% decline in new brain cells and a 63% reduction in the survival rate of new cells from alcohol use. They had monkeys drinking alcohol? Yes.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
They had monkeys doing all sorts of things they shouldn't be doing. Which is effectively like premature brain ageing. Right.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Back to this episode. Dr. Daniel Amen. If someone's just clicked on this conversation now and they have no idea who you are, which is highly, highly unlikely.
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They're drinking less though now.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
There's two issues here, isn't there? There's the impact cannabis has on the brain and then there's the whole issue of legalization. And as you were speaking, I was just looking at some of the research and it says exactly what you said. It says that there was a study published in JAMA Network which examined over a thousand young adults' brains
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Can you tell me why listening to you and this conversation and the work that we're about to go through now is so important for everyone, even those who believe that right now they have no issues?
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And almost 70% of heavy users exhibited reduced brain activity during working memory tasks. The decline was associated with poor performance in retaining and using information. Long-term cannabis use has been linked to smaller hippocampus volume, which again impacts memory and learning. So, I mean, the science is clear of what it's doing, but the question of legalization is a whole nother issue.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
So psilocybin hasn't yet been legalized in the US. In Oregon. Oh, it has been in Oregon. Is it being delivered yet in Oregon?
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Is it?
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Yeah.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
But there isn't a psilocybin compound that's been approved yet by the FDA. So... there's still, I think it's stage three clinical trials from what I understand. I was quite involved in that world as an investor once upon a time. So I understand the like rigor to get these compounds clinically approved. And you're right.
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So in the early like clinical trials, there's, I mean, groups of like 20 people in some of the early clinical trials. And as they're progressing now, and I think getting to stage three, they need to have bigger sample sizes and, and make sure that these compounds are safe.
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And from what I've seen, a lot of people are trying to get it approved in a clinical setting for cases of treatment-resistant depression, where you do see, even in the studies that I've read, you see some people have...
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adverse responses so some people get worse and there's you know if you take a someone who's treatment resistant depressed and potentially suicidal and you give them a a strong compound like psilocybin some people can get worse but for the ones that get better It's pretty remarkable.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
It's like I've been... I remember the first study that I read, I think coming out of one of the London universities that's really leading on this, maybe Imperial College London or something. And it said something like 30% of people that did one dose of psilocybin were... went into clinical remission after 12 weeks after one dose.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
And there's really like nothing else that I can think of that can deliver that kind of response in that period of time. Ketamine. Ketamine.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Dr. Daniel Amen is the renowned psychiatrist and brain health expert who has scanned over 260,000 brains, including Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, and Kendall Jenner, to determine what we need to do for optimum brain health. In 2024, the word of the year was brain rot. Why?
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
There's this graph I saw the other day circulating around the internet, which I'm going to show you. And I'll put it on the screen for anybody that can't see it. But it shows globally which countries distribute the most antidepressant pills, SSRIs. And the United States leads the way by a long margin.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
I mean, I think in looking at that graph, it's almost 10 times more antidepressant pills per person are handed out in the United States than other parts of the world. And I wondered why. Why does the USA hand out antidepressant pills like their water or something?
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Thank you.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
You mentioned scanning brains there. Remind me again how many people's brains you've scanned now. So it's now about 260,000. 260,000 people's brains. And you've scanned some famous brains.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Yeah. You also scanned my brain. And you actually taught me a lot from scanning my brain, which I'm... And did you think about your brain after we talked about it? Of course, I think about it all the time now. It's also interesting that in 2024, the year just gone, the word of the year was the word brain rot. And that's interesting, because the subject of the brain, I don't think has been...
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
given the credit and the attention it deserves, really until recently, and much of your work has played into that. Why do you think, if you had to guess, why do you think Oxford University's word of the year was brain rot?
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Okay.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
So is it fair to say that if you're trying to change who you are and you're trying to establish a new habit or crack motivation, then the goal shouldn't be necessarily to get a six-pack. It should probably be something further upstream like sleep well or better frontal lobes.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
my frontal lobes. We talked about two of these points earlier, but we talked about alcohol. But in the context of sleep, I've heard on your, I think it was on your podcast, Change Your Brain, after two drinks, your REM sleep drops to roughly an hour. After four drinks, your REM sleep drops to 30 minutes. And after six drinks, your REM sleep drops to less than two minutes for many people.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Obviously, these aren't specific numbers because everybody's brain is different. But it just goes to show, I guess, the relative drop in REM sleep, which is your restorative sleep based on alcohol consumption. And so if I drink, I'm not going to sleep well. I'm not going to get restorative sleep. I wake up the next day, I'm going to struggle more with motivation and keeping any habit that I have.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Oh, gosh. I think I live in a permanent state of assuming I'm going to get bad news. And it doesn't haunt me. I think I'm generally quite a calm person and quite focused and peaceful in my brain. But I think because I've ran companies for the last 10 years or longer, you're always just about to get bad news. So I think that can be playing on the radio in the background somewhere.
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Like, I'm going to open an email and it's going to be bad news. There's so many opportunities for bad news in my world. So yeah. Yeah.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
We've talked about a lot of things on this show. One of the things that really stuck with me is how the content we consume can have a profound impact on our brains. We often think of the chemicals, the drugs, the alcohol and all those things which I want to talk about. But one such piece of content which I don't think we have talked about is the impact of pornography on the brain.
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Removed at. What's that word? Is it apathetic?
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Yeah, yeah.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
News. I mean, there's no good outcome, really. Suffering.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Happier and more present.
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Is there a link between brain health and pornography consumption?
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Now, for people that don't know who Elizabeth Smart is... Who is she and what did you learn from scanning her brain?
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And she's in a relationship?
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I mean, when people hear that, they might begin to question... how they think about trauma. Because we think of trauma as a very deterministic thing. If that happens to you, I can predict that you're going to be X. You're going to be, you know, maybe depressed. You're not going to be socially functioning. You're probably not going to have functional good relationships.
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That's the kind of thing we think when we hear about such a horrific event. We kind of see it as deterministic of who you then become. But she's proving that that's not the case.
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Okay.
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So on the subject of Alzheimer's, it's increasing globally. I was reading something, I think, from the Alzheimer's Association that said they're predicting by 2050 that there's going to be 150 or 160 million people globally that have Alzheimer's disease. There's still a lot of question marks around what causes it, what increases its probability, et cetera.
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But what do you think the cause of Alzheimer's is? I think there are many causes.
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I was reading some studies earlier on when I spoke to a insulin resistance expert. One of the things he said to me was that they now almost describe Alzheimer's as Type 3 diabetes, that's a phrase that's often used. And when they look at brains that are insulin resistant, the person between 40 or 80% of the time, depending on which studies you look at, has insulin resistance, i.e.
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they've had elevated blood sugar levels, which have caused an insulin resistance or something else. It could be stress that causes insulin resistance or many other things. But it's interesting to think of... As you said, that one thing, which is the high blood sugar levels, insulin resistance, can have such a profound impact on the brain.
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And if I've ever heard a case for being a bit more careful about sugar...
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and other things that will spike my blood sugar levels and chronically i think that's probably it you know because your brain as you said at the start of this conversation drives everything in your life and to think that sugar and over consumption of sugar should i say has such a profound impact on the brain is is pause for me because i don't like sugar that much
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And then is there anything non-obvious that we do to our children's brains?
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So is that applicable to all things that cause like a really sharp burst of dopamine and stimulation? So you said there fame, pornography, I mean, potentially gaming or gambling, those kinds of things. Alcohol is obviously one of those things as well. Cocaine. Cocaine, especially for a developing brain.
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We've covered so much. The one thing we started talking about briefly, I think before we started recording, was the subject of hope and grief. I've never heard someone talk about the impact that grief has on the brain when we lose someone, when we're going through prolonged pain because of a loss.
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What part of the brain is that? Is that the amygdala?
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So in grief, the prefrontal cortex, assuming because that's the more rational part of the brain, that's probably going to be quieter.
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So they're kind of just being dragged around by whatever.
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Why did that come to mind when I asked about your goals?
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But what if you get to 25 and you're listening to this now and you go, Jesus, Does this mean that I can do nothing about my brain? Of course not.
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You're a father. I'm not a father yet, but I hope to be. I've got three little nieces. My brother's had two little nieces and one nephew. My brother's a year older than me and he's had three kids already, so I've got some catching up to do. But as I'm progressing towards this season of life, one of the things I think about having met you is how to raise healthy brains.
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Like what parenting style is going to make sure that my kids have very healthy brains? There's so much conversation about parenting styles. Some people say just let them do whatever they want to do. Some people say be an authoritarian and put rules in place. I'm wondering from the perspective of someone who scanned 260,000 brains, how do you raise a perfect brain?
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Thank you. Thank you.
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When people come to you, what is it they're typically motivated by? When they come to you, why do they come to you? Is it because they've heard of your work on the internet and they're curious about getting their brain scanned? Or do they usually come with a symptom or some other...
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And I like that. I remember you talking last time about your daughter. We have the clip, don't we, of Dr. Ahmed talking about his daughter. We can just insert it here.
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It was really powerful and something that I then spoke to lots of my friends about and such. One of the things I've always struggled with ADHD in terms of my understanding is some people that I know that have ADHD, they're so remarkably different to me. And they're so remarkably different from each other.
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So if I think about one of my friends that has it, very, very different in terms of productivity, symptomology, versus someone like me who... For example, in my case, I'm very focused, I think. I can be very focused, not always. But when I'm into something, I can focus on it for a long period of time. In fact, people don't know this, but it's worth me saying.
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My last book, I went to Bali for, I think it was either 11 or 14 days. And I came out of the jungle with the book. So I went into the jungle with basically 33 sentences written.
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individual sentences i knew what the chapter titles were they came out of the jungle and handed my publisher penguin the manuscript after that that period in the jungle which basically meant that for those 11 or 14 days i can't remember the exact number i sat there for about 10 hours a day and did i was obviously getting distracted once in a while but i wrote the whole book in uh about 14 about 14 days decent book i'm so jealous
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But for me, it's an example of that. When I think of ADHD, I think of like attention deficit. And again, I don't know much about ADHD, so I'm very naive. I represent most of the population probably in that regard. But I don't think I have an attention deficit necessarily.
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That's the story of me in school.
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Do people come to you that are heartbroken?
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What do they say? I can't stop.
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What is the change that you would like to see in the world?
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I wanted to do something. I was just thinking about it as you were speaking then about the one simple thing that I can do to help my brain and to love my brain. When you think about behaviours and habits that are popular and trendy at the moment, are there any that stand out to you as being particularly good for the brain or particularly bad for the brain?
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Because I had a couple come to mind that I wanted to throw at you. I mean, one of them that's exploding in the UK at the moment is paddle, which is kind of, I think you call it pickleball here. Good for my brain, bad for my brain. Good for your brain. Really good. Do you know what? When you scanned my brain, you told me that.
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You said, for the next six months, Steve, I need you to take some omega-3, do this, do this, do this, and I'd like you to play more racket sports. I built a paddle court in my garden. So I have a paddle court in my garden in Cape Town. And I love playing it now. And when I play it all the time, I said, Dr. Amen said it's good for my brain. But it's exploding.
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It's exploding across Europe, really, but really across much of the world now.
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What evidence have we got that alcohol is bad for the brain and bad for the rest of our body, especially in moderation?
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Does that mean that people that are uncoordinated have a cerebellum issue?
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Oh, really?
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I've got, um, I was looking then as you were speaking about different trends at the moment that are either good or bad for the brain. And one big trend at the moment is neuroplasticity training. Lots of people are doing games and using other things to, like there's apps you can get that are neuroplasticity training apps. Does any of that stuff work? Some of it. Some of it works.
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So if I want to learn something, I should do it while walking or moving in motion.
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Mindfulness and meditation, good or bad for the brain?
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Cold therapy, cold exposure therapy, ice bath, those kinds of things, good or bad for the brain?
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What if you're working with assholes?
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I love the job, but I'm working with assholes. Bad for your brain.
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It shifts your nervous system, doesn't it?
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Okay, some bad things then. Social media usage, chronic social media usage, good for the brain, bad for the brain. Yeah.
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It's okay. Imagine if we did that when we spend a lot of time these days talking about the microplastics and other environmental toxins that I think people are becoming more aware of now, which is good. Noise pollution.
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I just bought some new Apple AirPods. And when I connected them to my phone, it said, do you want to do a hearing test? So I did the hearing test. And then I asked my girlfriend, I said, you should do this hearing test as well, because I needed something to compare it to. And I was a little bit shocked. It said I hadn't lost any hearing yet, but my hearing was significantly not as good as hers.
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And I remember thinking, gosh, you know, this is, but I didn't have any idea that it was linked to Alzheimer's at all. So now I've turned down the volume for the first time in my life because I think you're hearing declines regardless really of what you do with age anyway.
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But as you said earlier, like starting from a better baseline when you're talking about the brain reserves is really the game, I think, with aging. My last point is, my last question is a bit of a seems to be uncorrelated, but the world is heading towards a world that's driven by artificial intelligence. It's like all the rage at the moment if you log on the internet.
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People talking about they're going to lose their jobs, all of these new tools that allow us to optimize our lives in a variety of different ways. When you think about the world of AI that we're heading into, there's so many ways that I imagine it's going to make your job easier as someone who's doing scans of brains and so on.
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But do you think artificial intelligence is going to be good or bad for our brains?
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Are brains getting bigger or smaller? Does anybody know?
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We could ask ChatGPT. Oh, gosh, yeah. Isn't that funny? Well, it stinks for you. This is the thing.
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Social connection is obviously another point on that because there's now, I saw articles where men are getting into relationships with an AI character of a woman they like. And, you know, social connection is so good for the brain. So I wonder if artificial social connection is going to... It's probably not great for the brain.
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Well, you'd program it for dopamine, wouldn't you? If you're making a friend or partner yourself. What's the most important thing we haven't talked about that we should have talked about, Doctor?
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Studies suggest that religious belief can be associated with differences in brain structure and function. While there is no single religious brain, certain patterns have been observed in neuroscience research. The prefrontal cortex involved in decision-making, mortality, and self-regulation tends to be more active in religious individuals.
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Strengthens the prefrontal cortex, reduces stress and anxiety, increases dopamine, changes brain connectivity, thickens the cortex, promotes neuroplasticity. If you pray. Now, what if you're not religious? Because I don't think I believe in any particular god. But I would like some of these benefits. So I guess I could achieve them by meditation and those kinds of things. I could still pray.
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I've got no issue with praying. I don't know what it would be praying. And you could be curious. Yeah. I've got no issue with praying. I just don't know what it would be praying to. Praying to the universe, I guess. Spirituality is another big trend. I wonder if that's good for the brain.
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you know, be more open and seeking. You've scanned 260,000 brains roughly. How has that, if at all, changed your belief in a god?
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Why is that emotion so raw for you?
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The part that says, don't say that, don't do that. Is that just when I've had one drink and then when I sober up, I'm back to normal? Or is this chronic? Well, it depends.
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And I just wish I could do more. Incredibly kind of you to offer to scan 100 firefighters' brains.
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How does one go about supporting your foundation? Where do we go to support it?
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Changeyourbrain.org.
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We have a closing tradition, as you know, where the last guest leaves a question for the next. And the question left for you is, what advice would you give a couple who want to start a family?
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
The child? No, no, the mom. Okay, so my partner. I'm someone that wants to start a family. So you want to go...
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Dr. Daniel Lehman, thank you so much once again for your time and thank you for the wisdom and value you've given to my audience over the years. As I was saying before we started filming, I get stopped all the time everywhere I go. People telling me about you. I told you I was stopped yesterday while I was having a spa treatment. I won't say what it is because people will roast me.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
But I was having a first of its kind for me spa treatment and the lady turned to me 20 minutes in and was like, by the way, thank you so much for having Dr. Daniel Lehman on because he helped me understand my ADHD. Yeah. etc, etc.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
So when I see that absolute love and admiration for you in the comment section every time where people recount stories from decades ago, where their kid came to see you and how you've transformed their life. I actually think the top comment on our last episode was someone who I think they came to see you 15 years ago. And they said that you changed their son's life.
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
And that was just over and over and over and over again in the comments. So the life you've lived is such an important one. And it's added so much value and hope, and it's turned on the lights for so many people in so many ways. So on behalf of all those people, on behalf of the tens of millions of people who've tuned into our conversations, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Isn't this cool? Every single conversation I have here on the Diary of a CEO, at the very end of it, you'll know, I ask the guest to leave a question in the Diary of a CEO. And what we've done is we've turned every single question written in the Diary of a CEO into these conversation cards that you can play at home. Thank you very much.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
Because I'm wondering, you know, if people drink in moderation, are they going to see long-term impacts to their brain? What is there such thing as... drinking just a little bit and being fine?
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The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
You've scanned a lot of people who are alcoholics. Lots. I mean, I've got some scans. here and which I'll put on the screen but can you explain to me exactly what a brain looks like when the person has been drinking heavily for a long period of time so again we do a study called SPECT and SPECT looks at blood flow and activity it looks at how the brain works and
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The No.1 Brain Doctor: "This Parenting Mistake Ruins Your Kids Brain!", "Alcohol or Marijuana Will Destroy Your Brain!", "A Stagnant Career Can Increase Your Chance Of Alzheimers!" - Dr Daniel Amen
So if you drink, then you have a smaller brain than you would have otherwise. Correct. That's pretty scary. Yeah. Why does brain size matter? You know when people say it's going to shrink your brain? Why does that matter?
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Yeah, I do it.
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No, because I just don't have a good smile.
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Look.
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That's not your real smile. I literally have to do this when I take a photo. Das ist mein Lächeln. Aber das ist kein echter Lächeln. Was soll ich tun?
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Oh, das ist nicht gut.
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What about how to get a partner in terms of cues and body language?
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It sounds like it might be quite exhausting for some people. Because I think some people, although they're happy, they feel good, they're nice people, they do have that resting bothered face, I think you called it. And there's other people that I know that just kind of walk through life with this like resting smile. Like we can all think of that person that's just like always happy.
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And then there's these other people who are like objectively happy too, but they just have that resting bothered face. So it feels like life is going to be more exhausting for those people.
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Quick one before we get back to this episode. Just give me 30 seconds of your time. Two things I wanted to say. The first thing is a huge thank you for listening and tuning into the show week after week. It means the world to all of us and this really is a dream that we absolutely never had and couldn't have imagined getting to this place.
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Has anyone ever done any really compelling studies on this idea of resting bitch face or resting bothered face, as you call it?
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And there are certain people you look at and they look happy and make you happy.
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You either look neutral or bothered. So you said you were a recovering awkward person. Yes. Take me into what you were like.
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And what do you mean when you say awkward person?
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And what was the catalyst for you to go on this journey?
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But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like we're only just getting started. And if you enjoy what we do here, please join the 24% of people that listen to this podcast regularly and follow us on this app. Here's a promise I'm going to make to you. I'm going to do everything in my power to make this show as good as I can, now and into the future.
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War es von Tag 1 festgestellt? Nein. Also war es eine Reise?
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Ich denke, das ist wichtig, weil oft Leute denken, sie lesen den Buch, bekommen die Tipps und Tricks und sie werden verändert und festgestellt. Du sprichst, ich denke, später in deinem Leben, als du zu einer Abendpartei entstanden bist und dein Mann... was there with you and you went home and told him that you thought everyone was angry at you.
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Okay.
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Also ich basiere mich nur auf den Kindern, die in meiner Schule populär waren. Sie waren lustiger, sie verursachten sich selbst zu einem gewissen Niveau, sie waren... sie waren vielleicht auch an einigen Sporten gut. They were funny, happy, I don't know.
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We're going to deliver the guests that you want me to speak to and we're going to continue to keep doing all of the things you love about this show. Thank you. Thank you so much. Back to the episode. Vanessa Van Edwards, für jemanden, der gerade auf diese Gespräche klickte und sich fragt, warum sie bleiben und hören sollten, was wir darüber sprechen werden, was würdest du ihnen sagen?
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Ich lachte, als du sprachst, weil ich gerade die Personas von den Menschen, die gerade hören, auswählen wollte. Und ich hatte nur eine Persona von der Person zu Hause, die sich überrascht hat, weil sie wusste, dass sie alle hassen. Wenn du das sagst, sind sie einfach so, fuck, ich hasse alle. Schau, ich verstehe es.
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Okay, so that's number one. I want to pause on number one, because I've got some sort of questions to ask here. It sounds exhausting. It sounds like it's going to cost me a lot of time that I don't necessarily have. And this is just my surface level reaction was, oh God, another job.
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Ich meine, wenn ich eine Stunde setze, um jeden, den ich kenne, zu texten und zu sagen, ich denke nur an dich, es wird mühsam sein. Ich habe sechs Freunde und meinen Partner. Ich habe meine Familie und mein Team. Es ist viel.
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I've got another concern. So, if I start firing out these WhatsApp messages telling people what I'm thinking of them, it's just going to be opening up loads of conversations that I then have to deal with. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's going to be like, hey, I was just thinking of you. And then they reply, they go, oh, how are you? And I go, I'm good, thanks.
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And then they go, I go, how are you? They go, I'm good, thanks. And then, do you know what I mean?
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So don't text them. Okay.
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Okay, und dann das mittlere, das ich nicht verstehe.
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Was ist Selbstnarrativ?
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Also ist das eine Gruppe von Leuten?
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How do you quantify that in a way that I know that it's true? Are there studies or stats that reinforce what you've just said?
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Haben sie irgendeinen historischen Trauma?
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As an employer, I think about this a lot, these sort of verbal and nonverbal cues. I actually had an interview some time ago, and I think I came out of the interview, and I think objectively the person might have been qualified, but there was something about their energy or cues or something that signaled something else to me, that they were...
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eine unglückliche Person, oder sie waren müde, oder sie wollten nicht wirklich hier sein, oder so etwas. Gibt es irgendwelche Studien, die bestätigen, dass unsere versteckte Kommunikation unseren Erfolg im Arbeitsumfang beeinflusst?
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And taking that a bit further, what areas of my life will that impact? So if I'm warm and I'm competent, which you're telling me are things that I can control, what are the downstream consequences of that?
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I was going to say, well, then we're all screwed, aren't we? We can't do anything, because... If we're giving off these chemicals which are impacting those around us, it doesn't matter if I smile and do the whole like... No, because I think intention is the backdoor into confidence.
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Ist das der Zyklus, über den du sprichst?
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Der Q-Zyklus.
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Ich werde es auf dem Bildschirm stellen und in der Beschreibung für jeden, der es sehen möchte. Aber als ich das gesehen habe, ist es der Grund, warum ich es aufgeschrieben habe, weil es mir wirklich nahe zu Hause kam, weil ich jemand bin, der viele Leute trifft. Und wenn ich Leute treffe, ist es auf sehr rarer Angelegenheit so, dass etwas über jemanden meine Energie ausdrückt.
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Und es zieht meine Energie so hoch, dass ich dann bemerkt habe, dass ich ein bisschen in Bezug auf meine Interaktion mit ihnen reagiere. Und es ist fast so, als ob ich es nicht kontrollieren kann. Etwas über die Person hat mich entnervt. Und es ist nichts, was ich mir bewusst sagen kann, wie sie mir die Hand geschlagen hat. Einfach etwas über sie. Ja. Das bringt mich in einen anderen Zustand. Ja.
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Und als ich das gesehen habe, habe ich fast herausgefunden, warum. Weil der erste Schritt in diesem Q-Zyklus, du erklärst es, ich meine, es ist dein Q-Zyklus.
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Okay, so in those moments I should in my head just say what I'm... Clocked.
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Clocked.
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You're particularly famous for a TED Talk that you did, which did very, very well. It was called You Are Contagious. And it really opened my eyes to the importance of Oh, so much. I think the hands are the windows into the soul.
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In person, on video try to flash your palm
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Und was ist deine Forschung basierend darauf? Bist du ein Forscher? Hast du selbst eine erste-Partei-Forschung gemacht? Von wo kommst du her?
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So it's really hard. I had to think about them separately.
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So it made me reflect, how do we establish causation here in terms of these hand gestures? Could it be the case that the more confident TED speakers are... Ja, genau.
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One of the things I've noticed on this podcast is people who are using their hands are more expressive. And if they're more expressive, there's likely to be more sort of intonations in their voice. And if there's more intonations, it's more engaging. And if it's more engaging, then it's more attentive for the algorithm. And if it's more attentive for the algorithm, it's suggested more.
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If it's suggested more, there's more views. Yes, yes, yes. So I would like to tell my guests, particularly future guests, that if you have more expression in what you're saying and more intonations in your voice, then our show will grow.
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Es ist so interessant, denn in diesem Podcast hatten wir vor ein paar Monaten einen langen Gespräch über die Arme auf dem Schuh, den Schuh, den du jetzt hast. Und es war nur eine Aussage, die wir hatten, als wir zuerst hier nach New York flogen, die Schuhe, die wir bestellt haben, waren ziemlich ähnlich zu diesem, aber sie hatten nur Arme auf sie.
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Und was ich bemerkt habe, war, dass Gäste lehnen würden und sie ihre Arme rausnehmen würden. Also sie haben ihre Arme rausgenommen und sie wurden weniger expressiv und die Gespräche waren weniger interessant.
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Also haben wir die Arme wieder entfernt.
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Ja.
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Wait, can you hold your arm out?
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Gib mir ein bisschen Aufmerksamkeit über die Anzahl und die Anzahl der Forschungen, die du gemacht hast, wie viele Leute du studiert hast, wie viele Stunden Fotos, etc.
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That's really interesting as well, because I was thinking about the conversation I had actually on the way here in the car with a colleague of mine. And they had called me on FaceTime. Now the thing with FaceTime is it's going to be close. It's going to be close. And it did feel a little bit intimate. It does. Because they called me on FaceTime. Yes.
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Obviously, if I was on my laptop, they would call me on Zoom or something else and there would be a meter.
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Als ich jünger war, habe ich das schon ein paar Mal auf dem Podcast gesagt, aber es fühlt sich sehr relevant an. Mein Bruder, mein älterer Bruder Jason, bestellte dieses Buch namens The Game von Neil Strauss. Und er bestellte es an der Universität, aber er hat tatsächlich die falsche Adresse gesetzt, und es kam nach Hause.
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Das klingt wie eine elaborate Geschichte für mich, wie ein Buch von einem Pick-up-Artist. Aber es kam nach Hause und ich habe das Buch gelesen. Und es war mein erstes Mal, dass ich verstanden habe, dass Körpersprache wichtig ist, aber auch etwas, was man lernen kann. Und wenn ich Körpersprache sage, meine ich alles.
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Und es ist interessant, denn jetzt, nachdem ich dein Werk gelesen habe, denke ich eigentlich, dass ich mich vielleicht darauf richten sollte, charismatischer zu sein. Und du sprichst von diesen fünf wissenschaftsbasierten Habits, um charismatischer zu sein.
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Ich glaube, die erste Frage ist, was ist Charisma?
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Und dann, was sind diese fünf wissenschaftsbasierten Habits, die mich als eine Person charismatischer machen können? Wie weiß ich, ob ich charismatisch bin?
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Intimidieren? Indirekt. Indirekt, ja.
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Niemand lehrt das, diese Sachen, oder? Nein.
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I saw this wonderful graph, which kind of explains it, which I'll put on the screen for anyone that's watching. And this was... Really, really interesting. There's a danger zone. The danger zone, I'm guessing, is when you're low warmth and low competence. That's it.
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And you'd be too warm.
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That's too warm.
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Where should we start?
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Okay, the power cues. So this is competence?
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Oh, this.
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Das Bild von dir vorne, was signalisiert das?
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Das ist eigentlich so, wie es mich fühlt. Es gibt einen Element von Macht, aber es ist nicht ein enttäuschendes Level von Macht. Weil ich es mit dieser Wärme ausbalanciert habe.
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Now you look nervous.
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What if you like raise your head though? Because if I'm trying to get my ears away from my shoulders, I might go like this.
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Okay, interesting. I just did it then. I do that when I'm doing interviews because I kind of look off into the distance to think a little bit and then I come back to ask.
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Okay, so that's number three.
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But he's also turned his head there.
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Super interessant. In dem Beispiel, den du da auch gibst, hättest du nicht das niedrige Lid-Flex investiert, hättest du auch gedacht, dass etwas, was du gesagt hast, falsch war und deine Selbstvertrauen verloren. Und das kann in den Schluss kommen und ein schlechter Präsentator werden. Das ist, warum ich dachte, dass Leute mich hassen und ich hasse Leute.
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Oh yeah, you don't like cilantro.
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I had to think about them separately.
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So it's really signaling conviction in who you are, what you're about and what you do.
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My name is Steven. No, that was up. Hi, my name is Steven.
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Okay. Okay.
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I literally asked that like a question, didn't I, the first one? I was like, hello, my name is Stephen. I was trying to ask you if it was a good pronunciation. That's so funny.
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Totally different. The second one was me. So the first one was like seeking validation.
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Okay.
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Es ist so interessant, weil als du sprichst, kam mir etwas in den Sinn, was ich in deinem Werk lesen musste. Du bist wirklich gut bei dem, was du tust.
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Du bist sehr gut als Gast auf einem Podcast und generell als Profi. Und als ich das dachte, sagte ich mir, ich bin sicher, dass sie das weiß. Und ich bin sicher, dass sie von meinem Gesicht heraus weiß, dass ich glaube, dass sie gut ist. But it's funny because in your work you say that we're actually, we overassume people can read us. So like when I was thinking, oh, she's so good.
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And in your work it says like, it says that I was doing it. I was assuming you knew how I felt about you. But in your work you also make the case that I've actually, I should say it.
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Und wenn du sagst Kurs, was du am Anfang dieser Konversation gesagt hast, denken die Leute nur an Körpersprache. Ist das die Art und Weise, auf die du dich fokussierst?
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So what advice would you give me then as an interviewer? Ich glaube, ich bin der Host des Shows. Weil Leute kommen hierher, manchmal sind sie nervös. Wir haben Leute, die kommen hierher. Einige Leute kommen hierher, die sind nervös ein bisschen. Und ich versuche immer, sie zu fühlen. Aber wie du gesagt hast, ich bin wahrscheinlich nicht so hoch auf Wärme. Also kommt es mir nicht so natürlich.
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Ich bin nicht derjenige, der kommt und sagt, Hallo, willkommen. Ja.
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Yeah, and it wouldn't be authentic.
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That's exactly it.
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Okay. Head tilt. There's something about the head tilt, which makes me... It signals they care. Yeah. And they're empathetic. Yeah. I don't know what it is about someone's head tilt. Because if someone was firing me and they were doing it like this... I feel like they don't care. There's something ruthless. But if they do it like this, it's like... They really care about me. That's so crazy.
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Yes.
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Mm-hmm.
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And nobody at home use this on anyone else.
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What are you doing for anyone that is watching?
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And you're doing it in a bit of a circular motion. Right, circular motion. It's not straight up and down.
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Das ist so verrückt. Es ist, als hättest du eine Stange auf deinem Kopf. Eine Stange auf deinem Kopf.
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Verwendet es nicht auf jemanden.
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Du lachtest. Das ist, warum ich nicht lache. This is why people think I'm intimidating, because people laugh at my smile.
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That was better. That was better.
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That was better than the first one. Better than the first one.
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Anyway, number four is... Authentic smells number three. Authentic smells number three. Number four. We love a lean.
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Really?
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Weil ich weiß, dass du ein Buch darüber schreibst. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich das leaken kann, aber hier geht's. Du schreibst ein Buch über Konversation, also was wir sagen.
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It's funny. Okay, this might be a little bit of a tangent, but it just came to mind as you were speaking. There are like the odd person in my life who I've known for many, many years. But whenever I'm around them, it kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier. My body is just off. Und ich weiß einfach nicht, was es ist.
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Ich denke an eine bestimmte Person, ich nenne sie nicht, in der ich in einem Raum voller Menschen sein könnte, und ich bin entspannt, ich bin ruhig, was auch immer. Und diese Person, die ich seit vielen, vielen Jahren kennengelernt habe, sobald sie in der Raum gekommen ist, I wouldn't be able to be the same person. And I don't know what it is.
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I'd suddenly start overthinking my body language and I'd start thinking, how's my legs and how's my body? And I'd start covering, blocking a little bit. What is that trying to tell me? Do I need to cut this person out of my life? Is there like words unspoken? What is it?
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Maybe I'm doing it to them.
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What do I have to do next time I see them? Because I want to dial up, I don't know, some warmth with this person or something or break that cycle.
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Yeah, they're important to me.
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Okay, first.
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Okay.
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Das. Und ich bin nach Hause nachgedacht. Ich dachte, wir sind auf der ersten Seite.
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Als ob es nicht möglich gewesen wäre, was sie tun. Und ich habe mich letztens im Bett gedacht. Ich dachte, was ist das? Weißt du, was es war? Ich denke, ich war so beeindruckt von ihnen, dass ich ein bisschen traurig war. Und dann kam das einfach in der Mitte. Was hast du gemacht? Ja.
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It's a great interview question. I was just thinking that. I should ask people that in the interview. Because you're right. Someone that can't articulate some kind of goal Okay, so working anything exciting. What's your goal right now?
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Natürlich wollen wir eine selbstnarrativere Frage nehmen.
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Es ist wirklich interessant, weil es so viele Leute gibt, die das jetzt tun. Und sie entdecken, vielleicht zum ersten Mal, wie sie sich selbst sehen. Es ist lustig, weil als du das gesagt hast, habe ich es in meinem Kopf gemacht. Und ich dachte, fuck.
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Sagst du es nachher? Ich dachte, es ist lustig, weil die erste Person, die ich gedacht habe, war Will Smith, weil Leute sagen, dass ich manchmal wie er sehe.
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Aber als ich über TV-Charaktere nachgedacht habe, habe ich tatsächlich über Will Smith in der Bezugung auf Glück gedacht. Und wenn du über seinen Weg denkst, war er gebrochen. He was fighting really hard to get out of that situation. And he got out of that situation. So it goes back to the personality type you described at the beginning, where you think you're a hero of your own journey.
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Where you've overcome something.
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I'm at the end of the movie. I don't know if you can ever get to the end of the movie. That's why I'm struggling with that question.
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But I've always... I don't know.
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So the reason why I think I'm hesitating is because I think to myself, if I say I've made it or I'm at the end of the movie, then I'm like, it kind of robs me of the future in a weird way. In my head it's like robbing me of like doing anything else with my future. Do you know what I mean?
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If you feel like you... Like the end of the movie, I'm like, oh, I've got it.
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Ja. in der Nacht Hotelräume verkaufen und Autos und geistiges Gras. Und jetzt sitze ich hier und habe Konversationen mit Leuten wie dir und Leute tun rein und so weiter. Wenn ich an diesem Moment nicht merke, wie viel Privileg ich habe, denke ich, ich wäre ziemlich verdammt. Ich fühle mich also unglaublich glücklich. In einer Weise, die ich nicht verstehen kann.
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Ich denke, vielleicht habe ich das gewünscht, aber hier zu sein, fühlt sich... fühlt sich schrecklich an. Suspicious? Yeah, that's a strange word that came to mind. It feels suspicious because it... I don't know, you just think sometimes you think... Are you worried? Maybe it is worried, but it's also just like... Wahrscheinlich nicht.
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Es ist so interessant, weil ich den Traum hatte, erfolgreich in der Business zu sein, aber ich hatte keinen Traum, dass ich meine Leben so wie das wäre. Wo Leute wissen, wer du bist. Ich hatte nie diesen Traum. Ich habe nie gedacht, dass das möglich ist.
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No, he's always just, yeah, running.
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Of course I'm still chasing after something, aren't I?
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I don't know what I'm chasing after.
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I actually don't know.
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Immer, mit jeder Person ist es eine andere Sache. Und eigentlich, die meisten Antworten, ich suche meine eigenen Antworten. Und mein generelles Glauben ist, dass wenn ich authentisch in der Suche nach meinen eigenen Antworten gehe, was einen gewissen Niveau benötigt, um offen zu sein und bereit zu sein, auch wenn es viele Zuschauer gibt,
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dann werden viele andere Leute da draußen, die mit dem gleichen Thema kämpfen oder die gleichen Antworten suchen. Das ist interessant. Ich frage mich oft, was ist der Punkt? Aber ist es nicht der Fall, das ist ein bisschen eine Tangente, ist es nicht der Fall, dass wir alle für immer suchen sollten? Like we should all be in pursuit of something forever.
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It's number five. We did Lean, which was number four. Nummer 5 ist... Eigentlich muss ich auf lean pausieren, weil ich dich über etwas fragen wollte, was ich in einem Buch gelesen habe, über Peacocking.
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Also ich habe in diesem Pick-up-Artist-Buch gelesen, das ich als 18 Jahre alt gelesen habe, und einige der Videos, die ich danach gesehen habe, und einige der anderen Bücher, die ich danach gesehen habe, und einige der anderen Videos, die ich danach gesehen habe,
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über dieses Konzept von Peacocking, wo du, wenn du auf einem Date bist oder du interessiert bist für eine Frau oder einen Mann in einer Bar, wenn du zu viel einlehnst, signalisierst du eine niedrige Wertschätzung und Überinteresse. Und seitdem ich das gelernt habe, habe ich es überall gesehen. Und ich habe es in meinen Freunden gesehen.
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Ich und meine Freunde sind nach Marbella oder so, ich kann mich nicht erinnern, es war viele, viele Jahre her. Und da war eine wunderschöne Frau da und wir haben alle nach ihr gefolgt. Ja, so wie ein Labrador. Und ich sagte meinen Jungs, es gibt eigentlich ein Foto davon auf meinem Telefon, dass ich, Dom und mein Freund Ash dort saßen.
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Und wir sahen über einige unserer anderen Freunde und sagten, dass sie Peacocken hatten, sie hatten keine Chance. Und so wurde die Geschichte durchgeführt. Und dann kam diese wunderschöne Frau zu meinem anderen Freund. Er war bewusst von dieser Peacocken-Sache. Er hat seinen Nacken zurückgehalten. Er hat seinen Körper zurückgehalten. All diese Art von Dingen.
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Er hat nicht hineingehauen, obwohl es laut war. Und... Closed.
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I'm lowering my value by leaning in too much.
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Okay, nicht zu viel lehnen. Just use it as a party trick. No, no, I mean just use it like... As a highlighter.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Okay, so you didn't touch me, you hovered above my hand.
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Yeah.
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You give people tacos at your office?
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I don't know if that's office food, but each to their own. So hugging and stuff like that, you know, there's this thing that people talk a lot about, which is awkward hugging. And sometimes you hug someone and you just feel like, oh God, they didn't like that. I didn't like that. That was bad for both of us.
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Should I be a hugger? Or is it context dependent?
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Es ist lustig, weil unsere gesamten Leben Menschen sind. Die Unterschiede zwischen mir als Präsident, Bundespräsident, superbe Verkäuferin, exzeptioneller Entrepreneurin sind wahrscheinlich nur mein Verständnis von anderen Leuten und wie ich in meinen Worten und in meinen Begrüßen auftauche.
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Too much warmth. Too much warmth. Not enough competence.
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No problem. That's interesting. If we take that back to the charisma framework of warmth and competence, it is signaling a little bit too much. A lot of warmth.
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What do you know?
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Gosh, that's a lot just from that one sentence.
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And you like it?
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Es fühlt sich an wie ein Freund an. Also zum Huggern dann auch. Ist es ein guter Weg, jemanden zu huggen? Ich meine, ja. Wie ist das?
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Because then you might not... I've tried to work on it. So I think I am now. I actually have been told I am. Okay, good. But it's part of the reason why is because I've learned a lot from doing this podcast and someone told me, don't tap on the back. Don't tap on the back.
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Und wenn du dich darüber nachdenkst, könnte das für viele Menschen das wichtigste Thema sein, um sich zu verbessern.
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Oh, okay.
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Oh, Donald Trump. Ja.
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Es fühlt sich nicht gut an, oder? Aber was signet das? Signet das Kompetenz und Kraft?
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I actually think it's a danger zone.
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Dann signaliert es Wärme. Absolut. Ich wollte früher kippen, aber ich hielt etwas. Ich denke, ich gehe raus und kippe. Warum kriege ich meinen Kopp? Weil ich all deine Bücher hielt. Es ist warm. Ich hielt deine Bücher. Ich dachte, ich kann es nicht. Erinnere dich, wenn ich mit deinen Büchern kippe. Das wäre so seltsam.
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Okay.
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Pretty much anywhere. And they know me, whatever. They'll typically do that. There's something about, I don't know if I'm just making this up, but there's something about, like being part of, I can see them from across the room, have no idea who they are. In group. It's like me and you are boys.
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Oh, okay. So interesting. Interesting.
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Okay.
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I see you, morning.
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It got noted. So interesting. So, so interesting. I'm a CEO. I do speaking on stage. You speak on stage as well. You're very, very good at it. Is there anything that I should know if I'm a leader in a business or I'm a public speaker that I should be thinking most about when I'm up on stage to signal, I don't know, whatever I want to signal to get whatever I want?
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Er studiert den Fakt, dass jemand von null zu einem wundervollen Ort gehen kann.
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Und in Bezug auf das, was ich sage, haben wir ein bisschen über den eigentlichen Inhalt von dem, was ich sage, gesprochen, weil das nicht nur an der Stelle betrifft, sondern auch bei E-Mails und WhatsApps. Und ich denke, die meiste unserer Kommunikation in diesen Tagen ist auf einem Bildschirm.
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Also, wenn ich versuchen möchte, ein Meister zu sein, ein Wort auf einem Bildschirm zu strukturieren, um Leute für Erfolg zu setzen.
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Imperfection. So imperfection. I was watching a video of yours, I think from 10 years ago, where you sat with two lovely people talking about charisma. And one of the things you said earlier in the video is that I think it was like TV shopping or something like that, where like a lady made a mistake. She spilled a milkshake or something. And she did more sales because she spilled a milkshake?
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Explain this to me.
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Personal Branding ist eine große Sache jetzt, weil wir soziale Medien haben, wir haben LinkedIn, es ist ein großer Teil dessen, was dir einen Job gibt und deine Möglichkeiten gibt und dir Gespräche und Buchhandlungen und so weiter gibt. Also jeder ist, äh, naja, die meisten Leute spielen das Spiel des persönlichen Brandings zu einem gewissen Grad. Ja.
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Also, wie du gesagt hast, um perfekt zu sein und Unperfektionen zu zeigen, wiederum fühlt es sich so an, als gäbe es eine, äh, äh, äh, äh, ist Gradient das richtige Wort?
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Spektrum.
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Spektrum, das ist ein schönes Wort. Sicher. Du kannst zu weit gehen mit Unperfektionen.
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Oh ja.
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Me and my friends call this deficiency promotion.
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What?
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And then on the other end of the spectrum, you've got ideas promotion, which is like when you're all about like, look how smart I am and these are my ideas. And deficiency promotion is, look how traumatized, broken, sick, ill I am. And you build a whole brand around that. And you can like, you know, so...
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You're probably still going to get speaking appointments either side, because, you know, they're going to want people to speak about this stuff, but also this stuff. But I think you have to be quite intentional about how you show up on this spectrum.
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But you know what's interesting is, when you build a brand, it becomes self-reinforcing. So I see people on both sides of the spectrum. Maybe they started in the middle, and then they got likes and followers. And they had to get toxic. Go for it! I agree.
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Do you know what I mean? Because we like a little bit of, oh, you had a bad day, great, but you have a bad life.
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Yeah, but if you're there for 10 years, where you're just, every day you're showing up like another shit day for me, for 10 years.
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I guess you said the most important thing, which is like, who are you?
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It's interesting with social media. I think social media started in a place where it was, you know, the margarita on the beach. And that was in such high supply that something else became in greater supply, which was being a bit more honest and open about it.
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Yeah, exactly, stretch marks on the beach.
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They are looking for a partner. And they are approaching their 40s. And they were asking me about their Instagram. And the first thing I noticed about their Instagram is, I would say, 80% of pictures they're holding a cocktail or a drink of alcohol. Jetzt, als ich auf Instagram geschaut habe, denke ich, oh Partygirl. Ich denke nicht, dass man sich einsetzen muss und eine Familie haben muss.
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Also was muss sie ändern?
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A good one that can, she said to me, I want a good one that can help me with some of these overheads. Overheads? Bills. She doesn't want him to pay all the bills, she just wants some help with the fucking bills.
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The other thing I know about this person is something you said about earlier. It's just that their body language, as I think about it, is just so... It's like trying to take up less space, is the only way I can describe it.
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Yeah, like in, just like a pencil.
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Also, wenn ich versuchen würde, ihr einen Mann zu finden, würde ich das gerne. Wir sind schon lange Freunde, fast eine Dekade. Und ich habe in der Seelsorge ihres Lebens gesessen und versucht, in irgendeinem Sinne ein freundlicher Freund zu sein.
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Aber wenn ich versuchen würde, ihr Tipps in Bezug auf Begriffe und Körpersprache und Szenen zu geben, wie wir einen Partner finden, wo würden wir anfangen?
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Interessant. Okay. Das macht eigentlich viel Sinn. Ja, weil du, wenn es in einem Kontext ist, mit dem du super bekannt bist, die alten Farben werden getriggert.
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Ich habe ein Studium gelesen von deinem Arbeitgeber, das sagte, in einem Studium, um zu sehen, wie Männer und Frauen anders über das Gehirn sprechen, haben sie Menschen in eine MRI-Maschine gesetzt und versucht, das Gehirn von nur Bildern zu lesen. Was ist passiert?
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Is there anything else that I should say to my friend in order to help them? Because sometimes I wonder, you know, there's tips, tricks, tactics, they can lean, they can do this, whatever. But is there something deeper that is easier? Do you know why I say this? That book, The Game, I went off to university, I lasted for one lecture. But while I was there, I met this guy called Joe.
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I won't say his second name, because people will identify him. But I met my friend Joe. And I said to Joe, listen, my friend, I said, this book, The Game, really useful, taught me a lot about, like, Interpersonal Dynamics. You should read it. Gave the book to him. He read it. We went out to the club that day. He fucked it up. He went out there. He started negging people inside.
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You just can't teach it. That's what I thought. I thought there's so many. And actually, when I reflect on the people in my life, this guy called Dan, I'll say his name, Dan Capon. Dan Capon in school Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. And so I look at my friend Joe, I look at my friend Dan, I go, it doesn't matter if you read the book.
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I'm not saying your book, your book's amazing, everyone needs to go read your book. No, they really do, it's a great book. But I'm saying, is there something deeper within us? Like for my friend that has the shriveled posture.
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Is it just like tactics and tips?
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He's not uncharismatic. He just... I just gave him the book and he just like... Joe? Joe, yeah.
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Glaubst du, dass es eine Beziehung gibt zwischen diesen Taktiken und Tipps und deiner echten Selbstvertrauen? Das heißt, wird es wie eine Selbstbeherrschung?
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Are these cues, this body language, more important for one gender typically than the other?
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And what's, in terms of attraction... Was ist die wichtigste Sache? Ist sie kompetent? Ist sie stark?
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How do you signal when I'm available?
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Everyone you want to approach you. Oh, everyone you want to approach you? Yeah. How many times has someone got to do a glance to get someone to come over?
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What about men?
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One of the things that I was sort of inferring from what you said is the importance of understanding your resting bitch face. That's like the term we use in the UK, resting bitch face, which is like when you're just listening or doing nothing. Wie sieht dein Gesicht aus?
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Es ist schwierig in diesem Tag und Zeit, nicht wahr, zu wissen, ob du jemanden aufrufen kannst, weil es viele, wie du weißt... Zu cool für Schule, das sehe ich. Und auch gibt es jetzt eine große Kultur von unabhängigen Vorwürfen.
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Weißt du, ich denke, ich habe das auf ein oder zwei Podcasts vorher gesagt, aber ich habe von niemandem eine Antwort bekommen. Ich hatte diesen Jungen an diesem Event, an dem ich gesprochen habe.
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Und er war in der Vorderseite. Es hat mich wirklich bewegt, weil es mich ermutigt hat, dass es so viele Leute gibt, insbesondere in der Welt, in der wir jetzt leben, 2024, 2025 oder was auch immer. die Freunde wollen. Du hast gesagt, Leidenschaft, richtig? Sie wollen Freunde machen. Und es ist so seltsam, dass ein Kind aufgestanden ist, Gott sei Dank, in diesem Gespräch, den ich gemacht habe.
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Und er hat seine Hände in die Luft gelegt und es waren tausend Leute um ihn herum. Es war dieses Gespräch, das ich in Canary Wharf in London gemacht habe, das ist wie New York in London. Es ist wirklich, wirklich beschäftigt. Sie tragen alle die Schuhe dieser Kinder, weil sie in dieser Stadt arbeiten. Und er stand auf und sagte, meine Frage ist, wie mache ich Freunde? Oh.
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Und du kannst dir vorstellen, wie lange es dauert, das in einem Raum von 1000 Leuten vor deinem Alter zu sagen. Du hast gesagt, wie mache ich Freunde?
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Habe ich Freunde? Ich habe ein paar, nicht viele. Aber es ist lustig, weil was ich eigentlich gesagt habe, es hat mich auf Gott genommen, aber was ich gesagt habe, war, was du gerade gemacht hast, ist, wie du Freunde machst. Weißt du, was ich meine? Also, diese Willen, in dieser Weise zu sein. Ich habe gesagt, ich weiß, was passieren wird.
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Nachdem ich hier auf der Bühne bin und weggegangen bin, werden Leute zu dir kommen. Ja.
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You don't like those people? Nope.
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What if you don't have friends? I'm thinking about this kid. And especially if you're a man. Because men just struggle more. It actually feels awkward sometimes.
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18.
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18 years. You must have seen societal level shifts in our interpersonal skills, our friendships, etc. What are you seeing?
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Which one was that?
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Yeah.
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At my company Flight Studio, which is part of my bigger company Flight Group, we're constantly looking for ways to build deeper connections with our audiences. Whether that's a new show, a product or a project, it's why I launched the Conversation Cards.
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If you're an entrepreneur, you're probably going to want to listen to this. It's a message from one of our sponsors on this podcast, which is LinkedIn. If you've listened to me on this podcast for a while now, you'll know that I've been on a bit of an evolution as a business owner and entrepreneur.
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And one of those evolutions that has become clearer and clearer as I've matured, is that the single most important thing in building a business, in building a company... Is hiring. The definition of the word company is actually group of people. And that is the first responsibility and job that any entrepreneur has and should focus on. But surprisingly most don't.
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About 80% of my team have been hired from LinkedIn. And I think there's very few platforms, if any, in the world that could give you that diversity of candidate with that much information and data on their profiles. It usually costs money, but for the entrepreneurs that are listening to me, I've got you a free job ad post for your company on LinkedIn.
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Just go to linkedin.com slash DOAC to post your free job ad today. That's linkedin.com slash DOAC. Terms and conditions apply. What about lying? This is one of the most... Das, was die meisten interessiert sind, ist, wie... Jeder will einen Lügner erkennen. Es ist lustig, weil in der restlichen Konversation könnte man sagen, wie man ein Lügner sein kann. Ich bin nur verrückt.
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Aber es ist so, wie man auf eine gewisse Art aufsteht, um Erfolg in einem bestimmten Kontext zu bekommen. Ob es Dating ist oder Arbeit oder was auch immer. Aber dann wollen wir herausfinden, ob jemand uns spielt. Ist es möglich, einen Lügner zu erkennen?
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Okay.
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Really? Yeah. What's a sniff?
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Horrible.
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I heard you say that the most toxic relationships are the ambivalent relationships. The word ambivalent means, what does it mean?
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One of the things that is highly searched on Google, I was looking at Google to figure out what the most searched questions are. There's some tools that I use to figure out what people want to know. And one of them was just, how do I start a conversation?
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Du hast es, aber musst du dir bewusst sagen, dass du das tust? Oder musst du es immer erinnern?
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Vielen Dank.
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And your social strength might not be in person.
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I've heard it all now. I get it. I believe it. I'm into it. What is step one? I'm going to buy your books. There's two of them here. I'm going to buy both of these books. Both of them will be linked below. What else can I do to start on my journey of becoming... You were a recovering, awkward person. You were awkward before. Now you're not. What's step one?
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay, so that's challenge number one.
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I just had someone laugh in the back. One of my team just laughed in the back.
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Wir haben eine closing tradition on this podcast, where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for. And the question that's been left for you.
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When in your life did you try to outrun your pain and what was the consequence? When in your life did you turn and face your pain and what was the consequence?
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Vanessa, thank you. Thank you so much. What you write about and what you educate people on is a subject that's probably more important now than ever. And I say that because of the sort of macro climate of society where we're more lonely than ever. We're struggling with connection. It's not coming naturally to us as it once probably did, or at least more natural than it does now.
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Es ist verrückt, ich bin wirklich nur ein Podcaster seit vier Jahren. Ich denke, ich habe 2017 angefangen, aber es sind wirklich vier Jahre her, seitdem ich veröffentliche. Und es ist verrückt, in dieser Zeit alleine, wie viele mehr Fragen ich bekomme, die über all die Dinge, die du schreibst, handeln.
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Sie handeln darüber, wie man einen Freund machen kann und wie man auf eine gewisse Weise aufstehen kann und all diese Sachen. Das Arbeit, das du machst, ist unglaublich wichtig. Es ist so viel mehr, was auch gemacht werden muss.
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Aber die Beiträge, die du zu den 400.000 Leuten hattest und die Millionen von Leuten, die diese Bücher gekauft haben und deine Videos verwendet haben, sind wirklich, wirklich wichtig. Danke. Danke. Es ist so lustig, weil auch ich, die Leute sehen mich auf der Kamera und so, aber ich habe so viel gelernt, so viel von deinem Arbeit, so viel. Danke. So viele Dinge, die ich auch viel darüber denke.
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Dinge, die du nehmen oder verlassen kannst. Du musst sagen, wer ich sein will und wer ich bin. Thank you, Vanessa. Thanks for having me. When it comes to food, I trust my gut and I trust Zoe, a business I'm an investor in and today's sponsor of this podcast. All the nutritionists I've spoken to have highlighted just how misleading information is out there when it comes to food.
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On that point of advice that you gave me there about emotional health, one of the things that's been very front of mind for me at the moment is men's health, specifically men's emotional health.
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Because I read a report that came out in March called Lost Boys, and it just details this pretty horrific picture of men's emotional health in the UK at the moment in particular, but the trend holds around the world. And It came out in the start of March. It's been in all the newspapers in the UK. And it details a couple of sort of headline stats. The reverse gender pay gap amongst young men.
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So women are now earning more. You know the stats probably around suicide. Yeah, suicide. And one in seven young men are unemployed or out of work. All these sort of horrific stats. And then it compounds with things like suicidal ideation, et cetera, et cetera. I was thinking about this this morning when I was listening to some of your work.
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I was thinking, I wonder what Peter's perspective is on what it is to be a man. Actually, it does kind of dovetail into some of your work around testosterone and the decline in testosterone. And because one of the things I was thinking about is how testosterone plays a role in what it is to be a man. But if you look at the stats around testosterone, it appears to be declining. Yes.
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And I say this in part as well because testosterone causes a certain set of behaviours.
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um in men that define and shape what a man is and what they want and how they show up and even when i said earlier on protection as one of the three things i cared about that's probably in part because of the testosterone in me this debate around testosterone this conversation around testosterone um and its decline Is it declining? It is. It is. Why is it declining?
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Dr. Peter Attia, what is keeping you busy at the moment in terms of the subjects that you wrote about in Outlive, but the work that you do online and the work you do in the variety of businesses that you have? What is keeping you fascinated at the moment? What is one's mind focus on?
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I was thinking as you were speaking about sleep and testosterone, about how, and also the link there with bad diets, how if I've not slept well, I wake up and make...
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It seems to me to be the thing furthest upstream in my life that then causes this cascading effect to how I show up at work. in sort of cognitive performance, how well I can articulate myself. If I go to the gym, how hard my workout is, if I choose healthy options versus unhealthy options. So it feels like- And mood in general. Yeah.
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You know, you asked me at the start, you said, what are the things that you want to do when you reach your marginal decade? And I gave you my answer. What's your answer to that? Now that you're a father and have, you're in a different season of life.
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And when you think about all those things you want to accomplish, if we were then to sort of codify them into a bunch of exercises or areas of your health that you had to now be thinking about that I needed to be thinking about, what are the most important things? So I'm a 32-year-old.
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What are the most important parts of my health that I should be thinking about if I want to achieve all the things that I said to you in my final decade?
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Okay.
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So if I want to build my muscles because I'm going for aesthetic goals, then I need to be aiming above five reps. I need to be 10 or 12. But if I'm just purely thinking about strength, bigger weights but lower reps. That's exactly right. Okay. And then if I want muscular endurance, which is even higher reps.
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Okay.
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How often do you train resistance training?
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And how often do you train generally? I train every day. Every day?
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Do you do cardio on your resistance training days as well?
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And I will end up doing some swims on some resistance days So before you do your resistance workout, you don't go on the stepper for 20 minutes or cycle for 20 minutes or something I don't is there a particular reason why?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Marginal decades and centurion decathlon. Did I say that correctly? Centenarian decathlon, yep. Centenarian decathlon. Can you explain these two terms to me?
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So the marginal decade is the last decade.
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Thank you.
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What about balance? I was at Brian Johnson's house and as he was cooking his, I don't know, breakfast or lunch or whatever, he was balancing on a half ball. You've seen one of those things? Yeah, yeah. I don't think I asked him why he was balancing on it, but I assume it was to do with balance and there's certain muscles in the leg? Yeah.
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Okay.
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Why the breathing exercises?
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Just to get some tips from you around your strength training regime. How many exercises do you do? What does, I'm really curious. So you train three days a week doing strength and resistance stuff. Do you do like shoulders and back and as like a pet? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Four. Four, okay. And then four on back?
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There's been this huge rise in people doing these high rocks and sort of elite endurance events and such. It's really interesting that it's become so popular. Even things like running clubs, I know, but the fact that more people are doing marathons now than ever before. Why do you think this is happening?
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In front of me, I have a bunch of different graphs and images. And some of them relate to a word you said earlier on, which is VO2 max. And this is something I've heard you talk about previously. But for anyone that doesn't understand what VO2 max is or why it's important, can you explain what it is and why it's so critical to longevity and healthspan?
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Wow. Okay. So all-cause mortality, anything killing them over the coming year.
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So the results you're looking at here are Jack's results. Yep. Who runs the production here. He came to your center. Yep. Came to 10 Squared in Austin. He did the test. I think he was on the treadmill for like an hour or something like that. And can you explain to me exactly what his results say as it relates to what you were just describing?
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He does a lot of running.
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The answer is so clear to me because it's associated with all the things that make me happy. So it would be being able to explore the world still with my partner, my romantic partner. But I would even dig further. Tell me what that looks like. Okay, so I went to Bali and me and my girlfriend wanted to go whitewater rafting.
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And if you were advising Jack on how to improve some of these scores here, what would you say?
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About six months ago, my team and I sat down to try and work out how we were going to build the most valuable newsletter for ambitious entrepreneurs ever. And after hours of discussion, we finally agreed that to tip the odds in our favor, we needed to be constantly experimenting. But to do this, we needed manpower or womanpower.
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So we hired a group of freelancers through Fiverr and tasked them with testing different elements, which are like the visuals in the newsletter, the subject lines, the copy links. And even after launching 100 CEOs, the new newsletter and getting 93,000 signups on the first day, our experimenting hasn't stopped.
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I'm confident we wouldn't have seen the same success had we not experimented in this way. And our freelance support from Fiverr was critical to that. So next time you're launching something, find your failures and fix them fast with Fiverr Freelancers. Visit fiverr.com slash diary today and use code DOAC for 10% off your first order. These are Jack's results.
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So I've invited Jack in because I feel like he might have some questions and you might have some questions. So you guys go ahead.
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And to get down to the whitewater rafts in Bali, we had to walk down and then up again about 100 meters of stairs. And as I went down those stairs, I had one of those moments that it sounds like you had at the funeral where I realized that my dad could not walk down these stairs. He couldn't walk down them and he couldn't walk up them.
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Do you have any questions on that? Because I've got a couple.
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No, that's a really good point because they're two different training systems. And then the reason why that was so important was because of the great time I had in the whitewater raft with my girlfriend. So going down that lake through Bali, and I thought, gosh, if I'm not careful and I don't think about this, I won't be able to have these experiences when I'm 60.
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So if this is broadly accurate, what is the game then for someone like Jack? Is it building bone or is it preventing loss?
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Is there anything else you wanted to ask Jack about your results or anything else, any pressing questions you have? Yeah, nutrition would be a good one actually.
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what was involved in being in the raft. Yeah, so a lot of strength required to row, to keep us away from the rocks, to push us off when we got stuck, fall in the water, get it back in the boat.
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And it took a long time. We were out there for two hours going through this lake. So the other thing I think about is Christmas, and I think about my nieces. So my brother's a year older than me, and he has three kids under the age of six. And you know what that's like. These kids just sprint off in every direction. And they'll say to my dad, they'll say, come and play in the garden.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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and my dad um wouldn't be able to play with them in the garden the way that they would want to play in the garden running around and being chased around so my dad just watches them from the kitchen and so these are just obviously all the emotional things come to mind first because those are the things that stay with us and i'll give you one more um
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The other thing that comes to mind as a man is just being able to protect my family. And I don't necessarily mean wrestle an intruder, but I mean like lift things. And if something falls, being able to pick it up and move it. So those are the things that come to mind first and foremost. It's protection, it's memories, it's activities that create relationships and connection.
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You're just talking about airplanes there. I was thinking about electrolytes. There's been a huge boom over the last couple of months, year, of people consuming more and more electrolytes. Everyone's launching an electrolyte drink and consuming much more salt and sodium. What do you make of this? Are we electrolyte deficient?
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Peter, what's the most important thing we didn't talk about that we should have talked about as it relates to your work, the science that you're obsessed with at the moment, and anything that my audience might find and should need to know that we haven't yet discussed.
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And how do you deal with that as a podcast host? Because you must sit there. You know so much about this subject matter, and you must sit there and hear people say to you on your podcast things that you don't agree with.
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One of the things we've introduced recently, well, in the last three, four months is just we put – we have some independent scientific individuals who have a look at some of the things that are being said just to cross-reference and provide context. We call it kind of context checking. Nice. Just because some of the bigger things – obviously, there's so many big, as you were saying, so many –
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Terms like seed oils and this and this and this that have started a bit of a nutrition war on the internet. And so we just want to make sure that we provide more context to these things so that a person at home who isn't going to take it upon themselves to apply that context or do the research has more of a wide opinion.
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But it's difficult because, as you say, oftentimes it's the best speaker or the person with the most conviction that gets heard. You've managed to break through all of that.
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Part of the reason why I think people don't care enough is because they see aging as inevitable. So they look at their parents, their grandparents and go – They're immobile. They can't function properly. That's my destiny. It's genetic.
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and provide a tremendous amount of nuance and complexity to these subjects, but also to achieve the same focus and articulation and resonance and accessibility that some of those individuals have achieved, I would highly recommend anybody who has not read this book to read this book, because this is the book on this subject.
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And I say that, I've interviewed many hundreds of people, but this is the book on this subject. It's been a global phenomenon for all the reasons I've described about it being so accessible, so nuanced, but so easy for someone like me to understand, even though I'm not a scientist. And it's the book that I...
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recommend to my friends to my family when they're trying to understand the subject matter of longevity in a world where there is just so much information and that's why this book did so well and it continues to do so unbelievably well but i'd also recommend everybody go check out your podcast which i love watching and also if they want um other resources from you where do we send people peter
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I'm going to link all of that below. So put all of the links below for Peter's work. If you haven't become obsessed, like we all are here with Peter's work. And I really mean that. We're all massive fans of yours. Jack was saying before you came, he said, oh, I love Peter. You were saying this the other day. I was saying this about a week ago.
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And that's something that I think we all feel because of the impact you've had on our lives of demystifying this information, but bringing it to us in a way that's so... So accessible, so smart, and so trustworthy. So Peter, thank you for what you're doing because you're demystifying a very complicated world for all of us.
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And it's a world that if demystified, we stand a better chance of living happier, healthier, longer lives. And there's probably nothing more important to... to what makes life meaningful and fulfilling. And me being able to walk up and down those stairs in Bali when I'm 75. So thank you, Peter. It's tremendous. Really, really tremendous. And I appreciate you very, very much.
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Peter, I was so caught up in admiration of you that I forgot that we have to ask you this question, which is the question left by the last guest. And that is, what would you do if you weren't afraid? Why that face? Oh, um...
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Oh, really?
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Oh, I'm so curious and so intrigued. And I can tell by your reaction that it's going to be profound for both you and all of us. I can tell by your reaction because I can tell that there's some element of struggle there. So whatever it is, best of luck. And maybe we'll talk again in the future once you've been able to talk about it. I can't wait. Thank you, Peter. Thank you.
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We launched these conversation cards and they sold out. And we launched them again and they sold out again. We launched them again and they sold out again. Because people love playing these with colleagues at work, with friends at home, and also with family. And we've also got a big audience that use them as journal prompts.
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Every single time a guest comes on the Diary of a CEO, they leave a question for the next guest in the diary. And I've sat here with some of the most incredible people in the world. And they've left all of these questions in the diary. And I've ranked them from one to three in terms of the depth.
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One being a starter question and level three, if you look on the back here, this is a level three, becomes a much deeper question that builds even more connection. If you turn the cards over and you scan that QR code, you can see who answered the card and watch the video of them answering it in real time.
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Springs to mind this graph I saw the other day, which I'd sent to my friends, which shows that the decline, I think it was in muscle mass from when you're 30. And it makes the point that there's this line on this graph called disability. And it shows that people who didn't have enough muscle mass when they were 30 cross the line of disability when they're 70.
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And those that did have more muscle mass at 30 don't get close to that line. So that for me was shocking because it goes to show that what I do now is going to determine whether I'm, by all intents and measures, disabled when I'm 70 or if I'm able.
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And as it relates to, we'll talk about the Q angle a little bit more in a second when we talk about exercise, but as it relates to the other changes, fat differences in men and women.
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And what about the heart? How is the heart different in men and women?
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Does that mean women breathe more when they're exercising the same?
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So there's going to be an impact on endurance then?
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Okay. Okay. Because the speed in which the oxygen can get to the muscles is what's being impacted and the volume of oxygen that can get to the muscles.
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Okay. Fine. And then you said the lungs are sort of, I read 25 to 30% smaller than a man's lungs typically.
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And what's the impact of that as it relates to exercise?
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And in your book Raw and page four, in the opening of the book, you talk about how women are 52% as strong as men in their upper bodies and 66% as strong as they are in their lower bodies. But when women train, they can become 70 to 80% as strong as men.
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Okay. We talked about this Q angle thing. One of the things that I'm really fascinated by is there's been a big conversation recently around ACL injuries in sport.
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And from reading your work, it seems that, and just doing some research online, it seems that this increase in women getting ACL injuries links somewhat to this Q angle situation, which again is the, I don't know how to explain it for someone that is listening on audio and can't see, but I will link it in the description.
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So I highly recommend you look at this picture because the minute you see it, it makes a ton of sense. But it's essentially like, and this is me probably butchering it, as a man, because my hips don't widen, my legs are effectively quite straight. So from my hip down to my toes, it's quite straight, which means that I'm going to be more sturdy.
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Say if I jump up in the air, when I land, I know this because my dad's an engineer, the center of gravity being straight means that I'm less likely to get injured. But if you're, is that right?
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And how much more likely is a woman to have an ACL injury than a man?
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Okay. Three to four.
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Okay, so a 300% difference. Yeah. Okay. So interesting. I absolutely never knew that. And in fact, it wasn't until I was looking through your work that I'd seen, I went and did some research and there's a big conversation online, a lot of sort of news coverage around women's football because I think it's the fastest growing sport in the world.
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But I read that the probability that a woman tears her ACL muscle is significantly, like hundreds of percent more likely than a man because of this, in part because of this Q angle.
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30 female football players missed Women's World Cup in 2023 due to ACL injuries, including in the UK, Lioness Beth Mead and Leah Williamson, which is staggering to me.
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So is there something that can be done if you're a woman that's exercising, that's doing things like jumping and running and sprinting and the fast sort of twitch sports? Is there something you can do to avoid having an ACL injury?
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Did science just look at women as a different version of men? Sorry, did they just look at women as like a... Smaller version of men? Is that how they looked?
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Is there any element of it of people being too scared to talk about differences in physiology amongst men and women?
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It's Ambien?
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And is there an element of hormones impacting injury at all?
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If a man and a woman came to you and said, I want to lose weight, they said, I'm 200 pounds and I'd like to lose some weight. Would you give them different advice on what to do?
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Sensitive to?
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You said it's based on male data. How can you quantify that? Like paint the picture for me that proves this is the case for someone that might not understand the significance of what you just said.
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What does that mean? Sorry, I'm not even sure what the hypothalamus is.
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Yeah.
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Like the thermostat or something of the body.
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Until right now. Dr. Stacey Sims is an exercise physiologist and nutrition scientist.
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So that means you could end up losing muscle.
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My girlfriend does exactly that.
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Okay, so I'm going to try and explain this to you like I'm a 10-year-old, which is the exact level of IQ I have on this subject matter. So you've got this hypothalamus in the brain, which is basically this sensor. It's trying to figure out, make sure everything is in, I'm trying to think of that big word that someone taught me.
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Homeostasis. Everything is level, right? Yeah. And a woman's hypothalamus is more sensitive. So if my partner wakes up, goes to the gym, has her black coffee, goes to the gym, does a big workout, which she always does, her body, her hypothalamus, is going to panic a little bit more because it's going to assume that there's stress on the body now
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And it's going to look around to see if it has sufficient blood glucose levels. And it's not going to because she's not had anything for a while. She's not going to have the sufficient blood glucose levels. So it's going to start burning her lean muscle mass.
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Which means that she's essentially going to, it's like one step forward, one step back. Right. Super simplified. Right. For a guy, has his black coffee in the morning, goes to the gym, does the workout, the body looks, and because the hypothalamus is less sensitive, it's less requiring of there to be higher blood sugar levels, doesn't care as much. So it's going to...
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So it's less reluctant to go straight for my lean muscle mass.
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That's interesting. And what's the evolutionary story of this? Why does this make sense?
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So what does that say about fasting?
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But you would say that the sort of overnight fast, eating dinner at an earlier time. At six, seven. Six, six o'clock. And then eating breakfast when you wake up at say eight in the morning or nine or something.
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What about the like three day fast you hear about to get into like autophagy or whatever it is?
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So if I, in that example where a man and woman come to you, you wouldn't recommend the woman to fast in the same way that you'd recommend a man to fast. Is there any differences that you'd recommend in training if their goal was to lose weight?
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When did you realize this?
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What about a Zimpec?
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Okay, so would you recommend it for people that come to see you or ask you for advice?
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And do you think women should be eating immediately after they exercise and men? Or is there a variance there at all?
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What about the keto diet for women?
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Could I not take a prebiotic or something? Or just eat more fruits and veggies and stuff?
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Veggies.
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Could I be on the keto diet and still protect my gut microbiome?
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Because I thought the gut microbiome was predominantly about like plants.
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What about things like saunas and cold plunges?
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Is there a difference, a variance there between men and women?
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Interesting. I didn't realize that. A typical ice bath is what temperature? It's minus one or something, or is it?
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Zero to four. Okay. So you're saying that a woman should be near a 15 for the same benefits. Yep.
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Or find the link in the description below. One of the conversations I had with my partner last year at New Year's Eve was about creatine.
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Yeah.
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I had some with me on the counter in our home and we were away from home. And I said to her, I said, oh, you should take some. And her response was, no, that's not for women. And she went on to explain that she felt it was for effectively like bodybuilders. Yeah. And that it would like put on weight. And I was like, I don't think that's true.
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Some people on my podcast have told me that everyone should be taking it. And so we sat there and Googled it. And after Googling it for a couple of minutes, she was like scooping it into her drink as fast as she possibly could. But there is a prevailing narrative here. Actually, before you came, I asked AI a couple of questions about women's perceptions on creatine.
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And the number one thing was women thought that it would... gain muscle and gain weight. And they thought it was for bodybuilders.
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Yeah, because on the label, it tells me to take it a few times a day.
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And it says about loading.
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Just looking at some studies, creatine supplementation for both men and women enhances muscle strength, increases lean muscle mass, improves high intensity exercise performance, improves recovery, has potential cognitive benefits and supports in neurodegenerative diseases.
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That loading strategy for anyone that doesn't know is basically some of the creatine boxes will tell you the labels will say for the first week or two weeks, whatever, have a huge dosage of it. And then thereafter, you can kind of ease down the dosage. But I think that's kind of been debunked to something that we all need to do in all cases.
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Are there any other supplements that you recommend women to take based on the way that we live our lives and the food that we eat?
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Okay.
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And what does that do?
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The Exercise & Nutrition Scientist: The Truth About Exercising On Your Period! Women Were Right About Menopause! These 4 Supplements Give Women Optimal Health!
Omega-3?
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What about iron levels? Because I've had a friend of mine who is a woman tell me that their iron levels were low.
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What's that mean?
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The Exercise & Nutrition Scientist: The Truth About Exercising On Your Period! Women Were Right About Menopause! These 4 Supplements Give Women Optimal Health!
What does iron do and how does someone who's iron deficient feel?
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Hemoglobin, the blood cells.
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What foods have iron in them, are iron rich?
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When you think about men's and women's diets, is there anything to be aware of when we're thinking about, cause you know, me and my partner will sit down for dinner and we share the food.
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So we, you know, food comes out. We, even when we go to a restaurant, sometimes we'll order the exact same thing and we'll both finish it.
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Is that okay?
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I think part of the reason I ask is when I did some blood glucose tests, I think if I recall this correctly, my partner was more glucose sensitive than me. And I recall them telling me that women have a greater blood sugar sensitivity than men.
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Insulin resistance. What does that mean?
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Okay. So it sends a signal to grab the glucose out of my blood, store it, which brings my glucose levels down?
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Okay. Okay.
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So the part of the menstrual cycle where her progesterone is highest is when she's going to be most sensitive to sugar.
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And that is typically between day 19 and 23 if she has a normal cycle, a regular cycle or whatever.
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What's an anovulatory cycle?
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Why?
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So as it relates to this menstrual cycle, 28 days, I'm going to put it on the screen for anyone that doesn't understand it or doesn't know what I'm referencing right now. But I'll also link it below in the comments, in the description, sorry. 28 days long, there's the early follicular stage, the late follicular stage, the mid-luteal.
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That's exactly what I said.
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and the late luteal phase as it relates to nutrition and exercise yeah how do i need to adapt across these 28 days and why do i need to adapt so again it comes down to the ovulation right so if we're looking at the low hormone phase so that's your follicular phase day one to six roughly yep and even up to ovulation which is where so around day 12 or 13 on 28 day cycle
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Which is from day 14 onwards? Yep. So from day 14 onwards, if we are going to do a lot of high-intensity workout or a big workout, then we need to just make sure we're having more carbs.
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Interesting. So is there any day in the cycle where we shouldn't be working out hard?
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Give me an overview of that career, the sort of significant milestones and the research that you've done that's fed into everything that you know today.
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Which is hard.
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So where in this cycle am I going to be strongest if I'm a woman?
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Day six.
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Okay. And where am I going to be least strong, theoretically?
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Oh, okay. So the very end.
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Bleeding happens at 28?
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Of course, yeah. Day one to day six, typically. Okay, fine. Yeah. I guess the question is, what questions should I be asking about the menstrual cycle?
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And that disruption could also be just not having a bleed.
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Because a lot of women talk about that. They talk about having irregular periods or just the period didn't come this month. Is that often an indicator of the body being under stress?
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And that stress can be not just bad emails at work, but it could be you're working out too much or something.
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Why is bone health so important for women in particular?
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And this is why vitamin D is also so important.
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Okay. And men and women have different bone density. Yep.
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Do men or women suffer more with jet lag?
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And if so, why is that?
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Okay.
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And is there anything else that men and women should understand about our chronobiology that's pertinent to making sure that we're high performing and healthy?
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How important is it to time our meals and be intentional about when we eat?
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I had noticed something intriguing about me, which is when I wake up early to go to the airport. So say I have to wake up at like 4 a.m. to go to the airport. I am so hungry. Yeah. And I've never understood why. Because if I wake up at, say, 9 a.m., I don't wake up as hungry.
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Why?
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I need glucose. So it thinks like a lion has woken me up.
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Fucking hell, that makes so much sense. Honestly, it's always confused me because...
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sometimes i have to wake up super early so 2 3 a.m to go get a plane or something and when i get to the airport i'm so hungry but like a day today what time is it it's 1 p.m and i haven't eaten yet i know you're mad at me but i haven't eaten yet because i don't want to eat before i do a podcast because then it's gonna like it like messes with my articulation so i can't get the words out my mouth okay that's maybe that's bullshit i'm saying this to someone that knows what they're talking about but maybe there's something else i could eat but i just find that if i eat something heavy or if
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Generally, if I eat, the way that I've always rationalized it is all the oxygen is like going to my digestive system. Is that nonsense?
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Is it actually? Yeah. So can I eat before I do a podcast?
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And it won't impact my ability to articulate myself.
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You can try that. So like protein water or protein shake would be a good idea before.
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Hard-boiled eggs, okay. Let's talk about menopause then.
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Starting with perimenopause. Yeah. You got a smile on your face.
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One thing I saw, which is quite an interesting observation, is in the UK this year on Apple, the most shared podcast episode in the whole country of all podcasts is was a conversation I had about menopause.
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Congratulations. That's awesome. It gets even better. And in the US, the most shared podcast episode of all podcasts in the US on Apple was the same guest on Mel Robbins' podcast talking about menopause. Yeah. I go, that's incredible. And also crazy that in both countries, the number one most shared podcast episode was the same guest talking about the same topic. Yep. That doesn't surprise you?
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Why?
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So give me your CV.
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That's a whole thing.
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Gosh, it's a shame, isn't it? It's a shame that there must have been so many women over the years that went to their doctor and got really bad advice and were given antidepressant medications and stuff like that. And
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What did you study?
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Okay.
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So let's talk about perimenopause. Yeah. What do I need to be thinking about? What age group typically is perimenopause? I guess it can be a wide spectrum, but when does that typically start and how do I need to be thinking about my nutrition and exercise in that phase?
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And you went to Springfield College as well?
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Your master's. What did you study in your master's?
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And how can they find out if they are?
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And then you did a PhD. Yep. What was your PhD on as well?
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Does it matter my pre-existing health when I approach menopause? If I've got more weight on my body, is that going to impact the amount of symptoms that I experience of menopause?
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How should I be thinking about exercise as I'm going through my menopause journey?
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So hit workouts.
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Plyometrics?
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Which is jumping and stuff. Resistance training?
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What about frequency of training and how long I train for?
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Okay.
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Why shorter durations of training?
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What about saunas and stuff like that?
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And what about food through menopause? Is there a specific diet that I should be thinking about for menopause?
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I noticed earlier on when you talked about hormone therapy, you referred to it as menopausal hormone therapy as opposed to hormone replacement therapy.
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Most people say HRT. Right, right.
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Is there also a bit of an underlying notion that women are using these hormones as a way to stay young? And when you say replace, you're kind of implying that they're fighting against something.
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Is there anything else that we need to talk about as it relates to menopause? Just want to make sure we've covered it all.
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And for women with PCOS or endometriosis, is there anything that they need to be thinking about as it relates to exercise or nutrition?
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What is the most important thing we haven't talked about that we should have talked about?
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Yeah, and the reason I have these conversations is because it's a lot of my conversations at home with my partner. We spend so long talking about her menstrual cycle and about when she's ovulating. And she talks to me a lot about how she's feeling because of that and certain things we should be doing.
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Even when we're thinking about how to spend the weekend, it's often decided through the context of her cycle. And then obviously we're in the phase of life where we're going to try and have kids now. So we're thinking a lot about it there. But then just more broadly,
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If something is having such a significant impact on a woman's life, which I think it does, I think it does have significant impact, things like menopause and the menstrual cycle generally, then I'm going to interface with women my whole life. If I have a daughter, I have a sister, I have a mom, I have a partner.
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So if I can better understand them because I understand how their body is working, then we're going to have more successful relationships. And frankly, a year ago, I didn't even know what menopause was. Yeah. So to be fair, I didn't even know what a menstrual cycle really was a year ago.
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I knew that women had periods, but I kind of told you with great confidence that different things happen throughout the cycle and that it was 28 days long. I really had no idea. And I'm like 32 years old. And I don't really care about admitting that. But I don't really care because I know there's a lot of people out there that feel the same way.
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And we're like not allowed to admit that because then you get people attack you or whatever. Yeah.
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So let's change that.
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We don't really learn about this stuff in school. Nobody ever told me about it in school. Do women learn about it in school?
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and it's it's um yeah it's really scary all of the subjects we've discussed today are in these two excellent books well there's even more in the books but all the subjects that i touched on pretty much all of them are in either of these two books next level which is your guide to kicking ass feeling great and crushing goals through menopause and beyond and your book raw which is match your food and fitness to your unique female physiology for optimal performance great health and a strong body for life i would not have been able to read that if i had eaten today
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maybe if you had had a protein shake you would have been able to read it even better maybe we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for and the question that's been left for you is if you have children what is the most important message you would pass on to them if you don't then what is the most important message you would have passed yourself as a child
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Stacey, thank you so much for the work that you do. It's incredibly important. And it's so wonderful that people are shining a light on some of these differences between men and women. Because, yeah, like me and my partner's trained together. We work out. It's a big part of our relationship in life.
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And now, having studied your work, which was absolutely fascinating to me, because, again, it was a first for me to understand that there was any differences in these sort of things that have been pushed on us in culture in terms of exercise, nutrition, cold plunges, fasting, et cetera. Absolutely fascinating. But it's been a huge conversation now between me and her.
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We were talking before I came on air about this. And it's really turned the lights on. And it's actually made a lot of things make sense.
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A lot of things make sense that we were pondering. So thank you so much for the work that you do. And I highly recommend everybody goes and checks you out.
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Well, I don't know. I actually did send her a screenshot of that particular part because we have the same routine, especially on like the weekends when we're together. We get up, we have the coffee, then we go to the gym and we train and then we go and try and find something to eat after. So I'll leave it up to her. Yeah, maybe that's a good idea. Maybe I'll leave it up to her.
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As it relates to nutrition and exercise, how do I need to adapt across the menstrual cycle? What's your view on cold plunges and supplements like creatine? And what's the barrier between men and women as it relates to sleep? And then let's talk about menopause, starting with perimenopause.
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And you've authored more than 100 peer-reviewed studies on exercise physiology.
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Listen, I'm never going to tell her what to do. So I just sent her the research. Encourage her. I was like, look at this. You'll find this interesting. So we'll see. Awesome. Thank you so much, Sissi. Do you know that 80% of New Year's resolutions fail by February? It's because we focus too much on the end goal and we forget the small daily actions that actually move us forward.
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Those actions that are easy to do are also easy not to do in life. It's easy to save a dollar, so it's also easy not to. Making one small improvement each day, one tiny step in the right direction, has a big difference over time.
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And you're a research scientist at the University of New Zealand.
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And when we talk about the differences between men and women, what exactly are those differences? Is it just the menstrual cycle that causes these differences? Or is there other physiological differences that we need to understand in order to understand the subjects we're going to talk about today around exercise, nutrition, and the variances between men and women there?
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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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So for anyone listening, there's an image I have here, which I'll put on the screen and I'll also link below. And it's called the Q angle.
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Which is like the angle of my knee to hip.
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And it's showing that women's Q angle, basically like the shape of the gap between your leg, is it roughly 15 degrees? What is it? Do you know?
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When you say drowning out the noise, there's a lot of things I want to go into there, but you talk about drowning out the noise. I'll focus on that because it was the last thing. How do you balance drowning out the noise with another principle that I know is important to you, which is feedback, especially from customers? Because customers will be saying, We hate this. Customers always hate change.
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And they also don't know what they want. So how do you know what to drown out and what to consider to be feedback?
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You referenced that calling around people that you respect.
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I had someone say that, refer to this as your like personal board of directors.
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Which is these like five or seven people that you typically call, maybe it's 10. Who's on your personal board of directors? Like who are these people that are taking these phone calls and why are you calling them? What is it about them that makes them a reliable partner in decisions?
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So at that early stage in your career, what role are mentors playing? Because we're talking about personal boards of directors here.
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These are, in some respects, mentors, right? Do they matter? And I say this, Emma, because I have kids coming up to me all the time saying, Steve, I need a mentor. And they sometimes say, can you be my mentor? And I'm thinking, fucking hell, I've done 17,000 hours of podcasting and you haven't learned a fucking thing.
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Thank you so much for your time. What do I need to understand about your earliest context in order to understand the woman, the very, very unique woman, the very successful woman that is sat in front of me today? And when I ask that question, I'm looking for the characteristics that were most formative in creating the woman that is Emma.
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That was the mentorship. What's your take on finding a mentor and how pivotal and important that is to become a successful person?
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And what part of you do you think, if I removed, and this could be a skill or a characteristic... we're definitely assured that you wouldn't be where you are today. Like what is the sacred part of you that is defining? Because people see Emma today and they see these skills and this knowledge and all this stuff and these relationships and these businesses and this success.
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But what is the like, because you said I'm dyslexic and I think you left school, you dropped out of school at 15. And then you went to college for a while and you lasted six months there.
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So it's not something you learned necessarily in school. So I'm wondering what the characteristic is that was the like the wind in one's sails. That brought you here. And if I removed that thing, you definitely wouldn't be here. And it could only give me one thing.
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But is it possible to be number one but still have all of my evenings and weekends?
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And it's that grit and Ember that life blew on. Because I wonder if I'd gone back and I'd met Ember at 18 years old, whether she would have said it to me like that.
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To me, it makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense because you grew up in a situation as an older sister where you were playing the role of a dad where you did have to put your hand up and say, I'll do that. You did have to make the lunches. And I sometimes think back to my own life and think about how a void of independence is...
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is maybe a scary thing to some parents, but it's also an incredibly useful thing for a kid to learn that I have to get myself from A to B, whether it's from home to school or from home to dinner or from home to whatever it might be. And I don't know, I looked at your life and go, you had this massive void of independence.
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And in there grows skills, belief and understanding about life that most others don't get. So it's no surprise that at such a young age you thought you could do stuff. Because so many people, they have an idea. They know where they are now. And they kind of might have an idea of where they want to be. But the gap between it is not something they've ever had to traverse.
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Like they've never had to walk it. Do you think it's possible for someone to make themselves gritty? You know, you've got team members, employees. You can see the variance in gritty and ungritty, resilience and... I see a lot of ungrittiness.
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Where do you see the ungrittiness? And is it possible to make yourself gritty? Have you ever seen someone go from, what should we call it? What's the opposite of grittiness?
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Soft, I guess.
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When you're looking around your team and thinking that person's going to be a star in the future, that person's going to be a star in the future.
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What are the factors or the characteristics of those people that you look at in your office and go, she's going to be a star, he's going to be a star? What is it about them? What are they doing that others aren't doing?
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You don't say. But what are the red flags?
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Tell me some sentences I could say in an interview with you that would be immediate red flags.
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I'm not trying to give this away.
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So 33% of people on our screening survey will say that work-life balance is more important to them than another range of options, including... doing perfect work, beating the competition, leading and inspiring others, having a happy team, et cetera. They'll pick work-life balance as being one of their most important things. So it's a lot of people that prioritize this.
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And it's not to say, for me, listen, it's not to say for me that it's a bad thing, but it's not what I would pick.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate. So what people are, I guess when they hit that button and they say, I want work-life balance, what they are maybe alluding to is, am I expected to work seven days a week? Because I need that information to be able to figure out if I'm going to be able to pick up my kids and be able to do my DJing or whatever I do on the weekend.
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So what is the expectation in your business?
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Why do some people hate what you just said?
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But is it possible to have the success to be number one, to be on the magazines, to be Emma? And is there like not a way where I can have my evenings and weekends but still get like... I have some evenings and weekends. But like I want all of my evenings and weekends.
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I didn't need to do my research to realise that you are a big sister. Because you've got some serious big sister energy. Even with me, we've known each other for a little while now. So you're the oldest of four sisters.
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It's interesting post-pandemic how it feels like leaders got gaslit a little bit. Founders got gaslit by platforms.
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You know, like if you go on LinkedIn, you've got all these people telling you how to run a business and that what you're doing wrong and work-life balance and you've got to be more like this and you've got to be this kind of leader and you have to be this empathy and do this and that and the other. And if you're a young founder growing up in this world where everyone is telling founders what to do,
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it can feel incredibly confusing. And I think in particular post-pandemic, where like how we work was like shuffled up and it's now like pick and mix. Before the pandemic, it was like, we all got it. We come to the office five days a week, we work, you know. it's a difficult time to be a founder because you've almost got to step out, if you know what I mean.
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How did that shape you?
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I think founders are scared as well because we live in this age of social media where, you know, especially if you have a profile, if you do something wrong, there's this really interesting incentive that the employee has where they can pop back. And so if you fire me from your company, Emma, and, you know, I didn't feel so good when I was there,
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I now have you by the balls a little bit, if you know what I'm saying.
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Because I can post on my TikTok and say, you know, Emma is not who you think she is.
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But then because you're living under that threat from some kind of activist employee, how do you stop that from changing the way that you live with that enterprise mentality and do what's right for the business?
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I've had so many founders say this to me in my portfolio. They've said like, oh man, I'm like scared of being cancelled.
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What was the most important lesson you had to learn about leadership as a up and coming, talented black woman in business?
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So it's balancing the empathy part of you with the needing to make difficult decisions.
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Because it doesn't feel like care to fire someone.
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Do you remember the first time you had to contend with that dichotomy and how it felt in...
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But in hindsight, how do you look at that decision now with your wisdom?
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I think there's a lot of business owners that can relate to holding on to all of that pressure themselves. Cash flow issues, the uncertainty around the business. And, you know, they internalize it. They take it home with them. It's with them seven days a week. How did it feel for you when you were going through those challenges with your first company? And I ask that because...
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I want the person going through that, I was going through it, to feel seen, but also to have a bit of a blueprint, a roadmap of what to do about that.
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That's so, so true. I was talking the other day, I think it was actually when I did that solo episode on the Diary of a Seer about this idea of like clouds and trenches.
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Oh, did you listen to it? Oh, thank you.
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One of the ideas that emerged from that process was as I was writing the solo episode, I thought about the day that I went fishing. Like I don't fish, obviously. But I went fishing because whatever, I just found myself there. And I'm on this boat in the middle of the lake. And the art of fishing is you sit there and do fucking nothing.
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And you're on a lake and it's like pissing it down. So I'm sat there in my Mac and it's just like leathering on me. And this boat, this is not glamorous. This is a two metre wooden boat.
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It was like at a castle somewhere. And it was the most important like seven hours of my life at that exact moment because I'd been in the trenches for so many weeks in a row that sitting out on that boat for seven hours just waiting for this nibble that never came because I'm shit at fishing it turns out. was so powerful.
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I thought, like, this is the distinction between being able to stand back from the photo so you can see the picture. And founders, like, especially when you've got cash flow issues and clients giving you shit and team member issues, you're like this. Yeah. And I think that the problem is, as founders, we can feel guilt. Yes. And we kind of talked about this earlier.
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Of, like, not being in there and not being in the trenches. Because we don't realise we're serving our company by...
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I feel like children aren't supposed to grow up with the heaviness of bills on the doormat.
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Are you paranoid?
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And how do you think about people copying you? Because anyone that's successful, all of my friends that have done anything well, they're just, everyone just copies the blueprint.
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But does it piss you off?
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No, no, no. I'm not going to say anything else. I'm not going to ask anything else about it. But tell me more.
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But that means you can become successful just by ripping someone off.
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Are they fast fashion? I know who it is. I've figured it out. You got your first, I guess your first foray into the world of fashion was that internship you had at 19 years old. You became a show producer after that at Inca Productions.
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You worked at a marketing agency between sort of 23, 25 years old called Saturday Group, which is now known as Wednesday Agency, co-founded by your now husband, Jens.
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Which is where you met him.
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Everybody has that. And you'll know people, right, who are really ambitious themselves and maybe their partner is envious, resentful, maybe low-key, subtly...
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plays them down or diminishes their ability to them, what would you say to someone who right now is listening to this and has a partner who they feel doesn't want them to climb to the top of the mountain and isn't willing to help carry them up there and actually sees their work as a competition? What would you say to that person? Because I know we probably got a couple million listening.
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How do you and Jens keep the relationship spicy when you're both working very, very hard? And I ask this in part for myself, right? My partner is on the other side of the world in Bali doing her business and I'm out here in LA doing my thing. So I'm wondering how you stay as, you know, these independent beasts that are building your own things, but then...
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you nurture the third person or the third thing, which is your life together. Do you schedule date night? And what is the journey you've been on to figure out the solution here? Because you must have had to do some trial and error.
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15.
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And how do you feel about her?
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And so... How often is date night?
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For a decade, roughly?
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A decade of your life up until 35-ish. And you meet Chris Jenner in this process of these 10 years. When did you meet Chris Jenner?
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Why would they be furious now?
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And what was she like when you met her?
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What was that journey from meeting Chris that first time to getting into business with Chris and pitching her to be a business partner? And then what happens to ITB, the agency you were running in the background?
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The absence of your father, in hindsight, do you notice an influence that that had on you as a young woman?
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You pitched her?
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You pitched Chloe?
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What did Chloe say?
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What was the process of making Good America a good company in terms of you have that initial hypothesis when you're sat at that dinner. You think, okay, this is what it's going to be. It tends to be the case that almost everyone's initial hypothesis is like a little bit wrong.
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At least in part.
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What part of the strategy and the games you played in 2000 and... 18. 18 could not be replicated now. That was so important back then because the game has changed.
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So if one is, you know, 2025 and they're trying to deploy a strategy to build any kind of brand and they're thinking about the channels, if we think about B2C companies, so things like Good American or it could be, I don't know, an energy drink or whatever. What kind of strategy are you thinking about now to acquire customers as being some of the most interesting but maybe unobvious strategies?
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Are you seeing this idea of community becoming more and more important for building brands? Because a couple of years ago, it was all like, just throw some Facebook ads at them or get some influencers to tell them about it. Now we're seeing this transition towards like run clubs and yoga thing with the brand present and
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how old are you here in this photo I must be what okay so if Katie is what she looks like I must be 16 16 15 no 15 15 oh yeah yeah oh if you were to speak to this Emma and this Emma was keen to start a business and she came to you and said what are the like first principles of business what are the the three most important things in being successful in business that you've learned in your decades now of wisdom and experience what would you take to say to her
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How do you feel about her?
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Dying to escape that situation.
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Some of the skills that I think you have that are unappreciated, one of them is the ability to articulate an idea. And some people call this like sales. How critical do you think it is for women, for men, for everybody to cultivate that particular skill? And how did you cultivate it?
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How do you sell? So if you were selling something to me, what would you be thinking about as you're preparing that pitch and putting it together?
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When you reference this, you touch your chest a lot.
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Because it's like a heartfelt thing.
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So intuition, feeling.
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And I do get that from you that I think you've cultivated the trust with your intuition, which obviously took some time because I remember the comment Jens made to you, said you're acting like an employee. You need to like, it almost sounded like trust yourself a bit more so you can call the shots. Is that something we cultivate? Yeah. And how do we know whether to trust our intuition?
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Because so many people, like their intuition is trying to say something to them and maybe they like gaslight themselves and tell themselves or other people tell them to sort of dim down that internal voice. But how have you learned to get that conviction to act upon feeling?
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Have you thought much about, as you look back through your career, and now you have the clarity of hindsight, how important the size of one's dreams are? Because I imagine that if you spoke to that Emma, now you'd be like, listen, go fucking out. Dream fucking bigger.
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And I think it was when I heard about how WeWork took investment in the back of a car from, what's his name, Sun something, from SoftBank, the big billionaire investor. And he gave the WeWork founder a billion dollar check and said, you know, the only problem with you is you don't dream big enough. He'd just given him a billion dollars and he was criticising him for not asking for more.
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And as I reflect back through my career, I go, Jesus Christ, like so many moments I like undersold myself because I just couldn't see it. I didn't have the friends.
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But still, like, listen, this guy walked away with a billion dollars.
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He's just raised 250 million.
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The thing that it put in my mind was actually that, you know, that whole adage of like aim for the cloud, like aim for the stars and you'll land on the clouds or whatever. I was like, there's truth to this idea of just like aiming higher.
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One of the things you said over and over again as well when talking about building business is hiring and how important that is to you. It's taken me a long time, longer than I would have liked, to realise the importance of hiring. In my first business, I think it was an afterthought.
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I thought most important things are if I work seven days a week and I don't leave this office and I have good ideas, we'll be good.
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Not scalable. Yeah. Yeah, you learn the hard way. You learn the hard way because you start hiring your friends and you go off vibes, etc. So the hiring advice that you needed at the start of your career that would have helped you to make less mistakes. What is that advice?
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Because?
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And what was the harm that they did by staying or by you enabling them to stay?
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So if I could bring that old Emma in that didn't want to fight and I sat her here, what would you say to her? Because I ask this because I know, because kids come up to me all the time saying this, that there are so many people who can't relate. Who can relate. Can relate.
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You know, people pleasing. We're a family. Yeah.
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It's a lot of time.
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Oh, my God.
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So on that point then, how does one get truly exceptional people to come and join them? And I say this because, you know, in the last five years I've become increasingly obsessed with hiring. It's like my team will tell you, I feel like I'm the head of recruitment.
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I built the process, sign off everybody that joins every company, obsessing about it, building tools myself in my bedroom to make our, like the screening process that I talked about, built it myself. It's my absolute obsession because I now have the clarity of hindsight.
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Where I go, oh my God, my net worth and my outcomes can be correlated to like 10 exceptional people that I brought into my ecosystem 10 years ago and the downstream impact of them hiring more exceptional people etc so this so but me and you're in a different place now and if you go back to when you first started your agency all those years ago you didn't have the same leverage.
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So if you're a startup founder now, and they agree with this principle that hiring is so critical, A players really matter. How do they go about, like, how would you go about now getting exceptional people to come and join Emma's company?
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I think that really goes against what a lot of startup founders think they have to be doing because they think they have to be good at everything.
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I'm really obsessed about this idea of like truly exceptional people.
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Yeah, like truly exceptional people. I was listening to something Steve Jobs was saying a couple of weeks ago. I'll throw it up on the screen for anybody.
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Have you found that to be the case? And also, I want to address another point here, which is the insecurity of an early stage founder who looks up and sees someone that's really experienced. And then they have that sort of self-doubt and go, how the fuck am I going to manage them?
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Makes them look great or makes them great?
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One of the things I think a lot about is kind of dovetails into this a little bit because I was referencing how we can sometimes be our own worst enemies and doubt ourselves away from like finding the truly exceptional person. So we end up hiring our friends.
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No, I was 18 and I, they weren't actually friends, but they weren't qualified. I just met them at like, I met one guy at a Prada store and I was like, you can be my account manager. And then I met some guy at like a rap battle and I was like, you should be my marketing director.
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No rigor in deciding.
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How do you think about prejudice, Emma? What I really mean here is being counted out before you walk in the room. So people hear that you're, it might be a woman or something else, and you feel that they're not taking you seriously. Has that happened in your career as a black person, as a woman, as anything that puts you in the minority as it relates to the accomplishments you've made?
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Do you know what? I'm going to give you a bit more context as to why I asked this.
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It's because one of my fears is with some people, they count themselves out before they walk in the room because prejudice is real. So they limit themselves. And there's a really great study they did many, many years ago. where they got a group of black people, I believe it was on a vocabulary test, just to talk about their race before they did the vocabulary test.
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And if they got them to talk about their race before, their performance dropped. If they didn't get the group to talk about their race before in a different study, performance was the same. They did the same with women. They got them to identify their gender before doing a maths test. And because there's a stereotype...
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around maths, or at least there was at the time in women, women on that test would perform worse if they talked about their gender right before they did the test. But importantly, if they didn't, the results were the same as everybody else. So stereotype threat is a real thing. And the unpopular conversation is there could be ways that we're holding ourselves back
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before we even walk into the room because of that stereotype threat. It could be age. It could be race. It could be gender. It could be anything else. It could be a disability. And I just wonder how you think about, like, you know, that.
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That's what I wanted to know. I wanted to understand that because it's something that I really want people to realise, which is like prejudice, yes, it's real, as you said, but it doesn't have to be your problem. It can remain theirs. Yeah. And I really worry that people will internalise other people's prejudice and then limit themselves.
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How do you mean?
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How you felt about yourself seems to be more internal than external in that regard. And that brings me to my next question, which is just about how do we not give so many fucks? Because it's hard to live and it's hard to strive and it's hard to take risk if we're imprisoned by the amount of fucks that we give.
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And at that young age, before the age of, let's say before the age of 16, if I met you as a 15-year-old and said, what do you want to be when you're older? What would you have said to me?
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I've heard you talk before about how as well we kind of misunderstand how much people actually give a fuck about us.
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It can feel like that.
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It doesn't feel like it for me, but when you're in the... I think humans like... from an evolutionary perspective, we're like, our brain is built to deal with like 20 tribes people.
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So we interpret, we have a probably hard why to our fault of interpreting everything as coming from a member of the tribe.
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Whereas in reality, it could be like Dave and Swindon with like an egg emoji who's telling you that those genes... Suck. Suck, yeah.
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One of the next seasons of life I find myself moving towards quickly is parenthood. When did you start trying and what was your fertility journey like?
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What age is this? Sorry.
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You're 38.
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Why soul-destroying?
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Complicated emotions.
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Not the surrogacy?
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In the moment before?
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In that moment, are there decisions that you wish you'd made? Or is there something you'd wish you'd known? Because we don't talk about this enough, so people end up going through this themselves.
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Were you aware of the biological clock in the way that people are now aware of it back then?
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Thank you. Thank you for talking about that. Because as you say, there's not enough people that talk about it. And actually, had I not had the access to information on doing this podcast and meeting these women who have been very open about it, I would have had no idea. And I would have probably found myself in a bit of a struggle because me and my partner weren't thinking about that.
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And what was... I was thinking the other day about money. I was speaking to a friend and we were discussing money as if it was a person and playing through the attachment style we would have with that person, you know, like the secure attachment, the anxious, the avoidant. At a young age, what was money as a person in the room, in your life growing up, in the family?
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We're thinking about getting the bag. We're thinking about building our businesses. And we're 32 now. Yeah. So when I hear people like you say, listen, if this is something you want, then plan. Make a plan. And I don't think many people listening actually have a plan for children. They see it as the thing they'll get round to when they're ready. But this clock, man, it's like, oh.
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I've got an idea. I think you should start a podcast.
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I think you should call it Aspire.
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And I think you should launch it in May.
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I think you can do it even better. I think you can level up. This is what you said. You said people come and see something, then they level up.
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Why podcasting? So your podcast launches in May. It's called Aspire.
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What are you trying to achieve? What's the mission there?
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I think of all the things you've done in your life, I think the more and more that you find yourself in the public eye and the more of the work that you do on your podcast, Aspire, I think that is ultimately going to be the greatest part of your legacy. And I say that because there is nobody else able and capable of occupying that space that I can see.
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There is no one who comes from where you come from, who has been on the journey that you've been on, both in the UK and in the US, that's climbed the both mountains, that is relatable, even though that they're so high up the mountain. That is had to contend with some of the things you've contended with, which many women and men contend with, which is like parenthood and family.
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That is articulate, that is seasoned across a variety of different environments and spaces. That is also a black woman. There is nobody. And if you reflect on you as that young girl looking up at Oprah or me looking up at Jamal Edwards, it was so important. It was the kernel of belief that stays in your mind that says, if they can, there's no reason I can't.
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And I've said this to my team before a ton of times over the last couple of months about you. I'm like, there's no other Emma. So she almost has a...
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responsibility to that gap because you've done incredible things in your life you've done so much philanthropic work which I'll put all in the description below to help so many people but it's not lost on me that like the older I've gotten just seeing someone that you can that makes you realize that that brings down those like limiting beliefs that you have or that society has passed to you could go on to create a hundred thousand Emma's
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And it's hard to think of a more astonishing, important legacy than that. Like the 10 million Emmas that you will create. And so I'm so glad you're doing this because I've said to my team, there's not another Emma. There's not someone else that could occupy that position. So it's so important that you're successful in it. And it's so important that you continue to do it. So thank you for that.
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It's so true, though. I say it all the time behind your back. I'm like, there's not another one. There's only Emma. So she has to, not has to, because it's not an obligation, but it's a responsibility.
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There's a lot of things I want to go into there. What are the three most important things in being successful in business? Do you think it's possible for someone to make themselves gritty? How do we not give so many... My speciality. And then...
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Was money around a lot?
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what that would have meant to her yeah you know what that would have meant quite a lot exactly we have a closing tradition here Emma where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're leaving it for and the question that's been left is what about you is better or has vastly improved because of the person who loves you the most who loves you the most
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More than?
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That's a beautiful thing. Emma, thank you so much.
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I'm a huge fan of yours in every way and you're like a big sister to me and I really appreciate our relationship and long may it continue.
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If you could do me that small favor and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favor I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time.
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And if you were to give someone some advice, just jumping ahead and doing some top line stuff, on how to make their drawing come true in their life, as you reflect back on the, like, core components of that manifestation becoming a reality... What are those cool components? Because we've all got a drawing in our head.
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like i'll tell you the truth i find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of spotify and apple and our audio channels the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button wherever you're listening to this i would like to make a deal with you if you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button i will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better
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Can a father do that?
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playful, tactful stimulators of babies.
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And if you do me this favor, I promise that I'm going to fight every turn over the next 10 years to keep this show completely free without paywalls and without any kind of cost to the user. Can you hit the follow button? The follow button will be on whatever app you're listening to now. It might be Spotify or Apple or something like that.
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So interesting, because these aren't the ideas that are socially accepted, or at least the ideas you see on social media. And funnily enough, as you were speaking, I recorded everything you said, and I ran it through AI, and AI said the core ideas that you shared are well supported by evolutionary psychology and neuroscience, which is quite surprising, because usually... AI argues with people.
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But hitting that follow button, which is usually in the corner of the app or a little tick, is the reason this show will stay free forever. Forever. Thank you so much. If you do that for me, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Back to the episode. Erica, you're clearly on a mission.
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Why is it that what you say is so troubling for some people? You know why, right? Because it makes us confront a set of realities that
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Why is it that what you say is so troubling for some people?
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What exactly are you inconveniencing with your truth?
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And I get that energy from you that there's really an idea that you believe that much of the world doesn't believe or is struggling to accept in some way. But it's an important idea. What is the mission that you're on?
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There's a big economic component to this as well, right? Because if you're raising children in isolation, the probability that you have disposable income or at least enough money to be able to just stay at home and raise the kids and still maintain any quality standard of life is lower if you're not doing it with a big extended family that can support and pay for some of those costs.
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But what if they've got their own career, they've got their own passions, there are things that they love doing, and that means that they have to be working in a major city or they have to be traveling to pursue those things?
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So one would say then, well, I just won't have children then.
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You seem pissed off under that calm demeanor.
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So there's four attachment disorders. Avoiding, secure, ambivalent, disorganized.
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Avoiding, ambivalent, disorganized.
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How does that manifest when you're an adult? So how would I know? Because I can relate to some of these and I'm wondering how that would then manifest in my relationships or my life as an adult outside of the obvious mental health situations.
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Do they end up attracting a certain attachment style? So if I'm an avoidant, do I then end up attracting avoidance or do I, is there any research on that, on how we then date? I'm guessing secures go for secures.
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And what about the alternative? So which of these attachment styles is least likely to have successful relationships?
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I was wondering as you were speaking whether if I have more kids, so if I have 10 young kids, is there a higher probability of neglect in those kids? Because if I'm a mother, I just don't have time for all of these kids at the same time. They can't all be on my chest at the same time.
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Yeah, it seems to be such an important principle for life generally that everything has a trade-off. And I think, was it Einstein that said, for every force has like an equal and opposite counterforce or something to that effect? And a lot of people are choosing not to make the decision to have kids. I was looking at some stats around this.
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The European Union witnessed only 3.8 million births in 2022, nearly half the number recorded six decades ago, marking one of the lowest birth rates in history. France, for example, known for its robust family policies, has seen a decrease from 830,000 children born in 2010 to just 670,000 in 2023, the lowest since World War II.
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And this is a huge global trend across especially countries that have a lot of money.
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Those people would say I have deep and loving relationships with my partner, with my dog, with my uncle, auntie, friends, etc.
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Because a lot of people are struggling now to have kids, even those that want to. I was looking at some stats and there's a global prevalence of infertility Approximately 18% of adults worldwide, about one in six, experience infertility at some point in their lives. Between 2015 and 2019, about roughly 15% of US women aged 15 to 49 experienced impaired fertility.
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And in the UK, research indicates that one in eight women, listening to this now, and one in 10 men aged 16 to 74 have experienced infertility, which is defined as unsuccessfully attempting pregnancy for a year or longer. And I've spoken to a lot of people actually that have tried to have kids.
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For years, two years.
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When you think about what's contributing to that, how do you diagnose that infertility challenge?
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How did you manage? You're a mother of three. You've raised three very wonderful, well-adjusted children. But you're also successful. You have books. You're traveling around the world, you said.
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Could it have worked if your husband stayed home instead of you, in your view? Because I'm trying to understand if you're saying that dads don't need to be there present as much as the mother.
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Earlier on, you mentioned a study that I read about when I was studying psychology once upon a time, which is the rhesus monkey study with the wire mother. For anybody that's never heard about that study, I think it's quite important to understand the profound impact that touched.
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Yeah, what's touch called in the science world?
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Skin to skin. Can you give me an overview of that study and what it showed for people that aren't aware of it?
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They didn't pass it down.
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Your story, going back to your story, which we were talking about, are there any areas of privilege that you need to acknowledge that someone else listening to this now goes, yeah, but that's all right for you?
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Because, you know, maybe someone who didn't have a partner there or someone who is in a difficult economic situation, extremely difficult economic situation, living in the projects in Harlem or something. I really want to... I'm saying this because...
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And for someone who doesn't know your work and isn't aware of you, they might be thinking, how would you know, Erica? How would you know the answer?
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How do we know that more paid leave equals better children, less strain on the healthcare system in terms of mental health, mortality, whatever it might be?
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How do you make a statistical or a science or research backed case that if we had three years of paid leave in the United States or in the UK or Australia or Canada, wherever, that it would be a net positive for society outside of it just being an opinion?
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So many of the guests that I speak to on this podcast, especially those that become incredibly successful, athletes, entrepreneurs, whoever, they often have some form of neglect in their past. Richard Williams, Serena and Venus Williams' father, he was very intense with them from a very young age, and he's raised two of the greatest tennis players in history.
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Joe Jackson was strict and often controversial with Michael, who went on to become the king of pop. Earl Woods, who was Tiger Woods' father... was very intense in his coaching and mentoring style, which led him to become great.
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And obviously, Beyonce is the other example I gave, who Matthew managed, Matthew, which is Matthew and Tina, who were parents to Beyonce, managed Destiny's Child and Beyonce's solo career, meticulously shaping them into a global superstar. So parents think, you know, I want to raise... kids that are superstars. I want my kids to be great.
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Okay.
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ADHD.
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I don't feel like I don't even have to ask a question here, but just to set the stage, the reason why I'm so compelled by this is just this, I have to say it, the shocking rise in diagnosis and prescriptions over the last... 10 years? Between 2000 and 2018, ADHD diagnoses in the UK rose approximately 20-fold.
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Among boys aged 10 to 16, diagnosis increased from 1% roughly to about 3.5% in 2018. Yes. And in men aged 18 to 29, there was a nearly 50-fold increase in ADHD prescriptions during the same period. And the same applies to the United States, where an estimated 15.5 million adults in the US have been diagnosed with ADHD.
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Approximately one in nine US children have been diagnosed with ADHD at some point, with 10.5% having a current diagnosis. It... I don't know where ADHD was, but the conversation around it, the prescriptions, the diagnosis seemed to have really surged into culture in a really, really big way. What's going on?
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That's when the sympathetic nervous system starts to kick into action.
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ADHD children.
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Isn't that point of view, I've got two questions here. The first is, how do you know that it's stress? And the second is, if it is stress, then the problem, or at least the inconvenient truth that that then creates is that the parent is responsible.
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For that child's ADHD. Yes.
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Give me some examples of the type of stresses, the everyday stresses that we're now exposing children to that are leading to ADHD in your opinion.
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What do you say to some of the evidence around there being a link to a hereditary component? In twin studies, they found that ADHD is about 74% to 80% heritable, making it one of the most genetically influenced psychiatric conditions.
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What do you mean by precursor?
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And what do you say to people that point to MRI scans?
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Some people say that this proves that it's the way your brain is. And lots of my friends that have ADHD, when they talk about their ADHD or the way that they are, they say, my brain works like this.
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But if they say no and they still have an ADHD diagnosis...
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We're going to go through all of that today. I'm very excited to learn more about all of this. I'm not a parent myself. From all the investigative research we've done, you have three very well-adjusted children. So congratulations for that. And I hope to have successful children myself one day. But I'm also just really interested in
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If you grew up in an environment that was stressful, and again, you've identified that stress can come in many forms. It could be arguing parents. It could be a neighbor or whatever, some environmental factor that caused that stress. You were sensitive. You developed ADHD. You become an adult. You get diagnosed at 30 years old as having ADHD. You're offered medication. You take the medication.
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The medication makes you much more functional in your career, in your relationships, in your life.
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They're quite life-saving for some people in terms of having a... They can be.
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understanding myself through the work that you've done and the work that you continue to do, because we're all at one point children and much of the fingerprints of that early experience still exists in us today.
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It's all about losses.
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Loss of status, achievement, but because we're also very preoccupied with gain.
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On this point of stress and the link with ADHD, I was looking at some research from the injury.com research education group. It says that children with an ACE score, which is the trauma score, where I think it goes up to 10 different sort of questions, with an ACE score of four or more, so four experiences of trauma or more, have nearly four times, which is 400%,
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So I'm keen to understand how things that might have happened to me or anyone listening today when we were younger may have shaped us in pro-social, anti-social ways or productive or unproductive ways. You mentioned that you still see clients and patients today. What kind of patients do you see? What are they struggling with and who are they? Are you seeing the parents, the kids, both?
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more chance of having parent-reported ADHD compared to children with no ACEs.
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And some of the factors that have a big impact are socioeconomic hardship increases your probability of having ADHD by 40%, parental divorce by 35%, familial mental illness, so a parent having a mental illness increases it up to almost 60%, 55% I believe, and neighborhood violence almost 50%, familial incarceration, so if a parent goes to prison,
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Can a father do that?
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then that increases your probability of ADHD by about 40% as well. And that's published by the, I think it's the New England.
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Or the National Library of Medicine, National Center of Biological Information.
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So if my kid starts screaming in a supermarket... One of the prevailing pieces of advice says just walk off or start screaming yourself as the parent to show them. Am I supposed to just ignore my child when it's screaming and throwing a tantrum? Am I meant to drop what I'm doing and go and cater to them? What am I meant to do in these situations?
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You be careful because if you make a promise like that, I will call. I promise.
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You don't want to drop your career and focus on raising my children.
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I've got this on video. That's legally binding.
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So if my kid says, I want that pack of sweets, and I go, you can't have that pack of sweets.
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And then they start screaming and crying.
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I mean, that's what all the relationship experts on the show tell me. They say if you want to be successful in a romantic relationship, then you first must make your partner feel heard and understood.
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Even if you disagree in an argument, first acknowledge what they said, maybe repeat it back to them. And then they'll feel heard and understood. And it kind of stops the broken record. Do you think that I'm a traumatized child?
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And what do you mean by the relational nuances? It could be the... Neglect. Neglect.
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Primary attachment figure, you mean the mother?
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It can be the father.
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Can't you both do half each?
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I'm looking at some stats here in front of me on a graph, which I was just reading as you were explaining that, because it seems to be quite relevant. And it shows that in 1960, one in 10 mothers were the sole primary breadwinner. Now it's almost at half. It's on its way to half.
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And they come to you typically because they're noticing something is not right with their child.
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Almost half of mothers are the sole or primary breadwinner in 2016. So, I mean, these mothers can't just quit their jobs, right?
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There's so many mothers listening now that are very career driven and you may be causing some existential crises. You may be reaffirming a lot of what they believe and think and what they feel intuitively. Are you saying then that for those women that are pursuing, you know, high octane careers in leadership roles that also want to have children, that it's one or the other?
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CEO, podcaster, investor, entrepreneur, author.
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Kind of. Yeah.
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I'm representing the opinion of some people who might be listening.
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Okay, let me tell you that. So I was 18 years old, dropped out of university. probably had sex that year. So if I had sex that year and had a baby, and then I became a single parent, at the time, I had two CCJs. I was broke. I was shoplifting food to feed myself. I printed off the doll forms. I never sent them in, but the forms where you get government assistance.
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And I was working in call centers, working night shifts, because that was the best job I could get to pay for the rent that I had every month. If I'd had a baby at that exact moment in time, I didn't think I would be, it wouldn't resonate with me what you're saying about being the architect of my own destiny because there is like immediate emergencies. I can't feed myself, let alone a kid.
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And I also didn't have any family within hours. My mum had basically disowned me because I dropped out of university. I was alone.
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I haven't had kids yet. I'm hoping to.
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Even if the kid's going to be raised alone at that early age versus going to daycare where they'll be around other kids.
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It's also a company that I have invested in, and it's one that you guys ask me about a lot. The biggest question I get asked is why use Whoop over other wearable technology options? And there is a bunch of reasons, but I think it really comes down to the most overlooked yet crucial feature. It's non-invasive nature.
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When everything in life seems to be competing for my attention, I turn to Whoop because it doesn't have a screen. And Will Ahmed, the CEO who came on this podcast, told me the reason that there's no screen. because screens equal distraction. So when I'm in meetings or I'm at the gym, my Whoop doesn't demand my attention.
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It's there in the background, constantly pulling data and insights from my body that are ready for when I need them. If you've been thinking about joining Whoop, you can head to join.whoop.com slash CEO and try Whoop for 30 days, risk-free and zero commitment. That's join.whoop.com slash CEO. Let me know how you get on. You keep mentioning three years old.
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Why three years old? And there's kind of like two segments to this question that I was keen to understand. Is there an element of neuroplasticity that makes the age of three so important? And the other kind of sub-question I was trying to figure out in my head was, is the damage we do before three years old to a child inadvertently at all reversible? And is it damage?
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What, zero to three?
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So if you messed up your kids, you get a second chance to fix it.
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What if I'm 30 years old, for example, and I had a traumatic upbringing? Can I repair myself from the childhood trauma that I experienced between the ages of zero and 10?
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And can that be a romantic relationship that then course corrects you in some regard?
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You must encounter a lot of people that are in denial about their childhood trauma and the role it's played in shaping who they are. Because you'll have people come to you, I'm sure, that are exhibiting adult symptoms, like maybe they can't form relationships very well. Maybe they've got other forms of emotional erratic behavior.
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And there must be occasions where you have a suspicion that it's linked to some early experience. And they're... in denial. I was thinking about people that I know that have presenting symptoms in their life, really sort of like chronic presenting symptoms. But if you were to ask them if their childhood played a role, they're almost like defensive of their childhood.
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Give me an example.
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And we're going to go through all of them. But are there any areas of privilege that you need to acknowledge? Maybe someone who doesn't have a partner there or someone who is in an extremely difficult economic situation?
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Are daddy issues real? Because the term is thrown around in culture, like, oh, she has daddy issues. It's typically she has daddy issues, isn't it?
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But with distrust built in.
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So the problem is that... But what if they offered me the scraps and sometimes the scraps, as I went to reach for them, walked out and didn't come back? Then I might develop a relationship that it's not safe to trust the scraps because...
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Men. Young boys and men. I was looking at some stats earlier on that said there's been increased sexual inactivity amongst young men, which is an interesting stat. It's risen to almost 31% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 reporting no sexual activity in the past year. So that's almost doubled in about the space of 18 years. Here's an interesting stat. High suicide rates amongst men.
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Men account for nearly 80% of all suicides in the US. The highest rate observed among 45 to 64 year olds globally. Suicide is the leading cause of death amongst young men. And a survey conducted in the UK found that an increasing amount of men feel hopeless and worthless and that are struggling with finding meaning and purpose in the world. Hmm. The plight of young men.
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You talk in your books and in your work about how the role of a man has changed and how this might not be necessarily productive for the health and well-being of a man.
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The lower the testosterone. Yes.
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So if we're staying at home bonding, there's a reason for that.
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And this is why I've read so many stats around men's testosterone dropping when they become fathers. I couldn't believe that was true when I read it.
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Why do you mention mothers and not fathers in that? Because you seem to have an emphasis on the role that a mother plays, and it seems to be more important in your view than the role that a father plays, or maybe even that a nanny or some other caregiver could play.
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Is this to support the idea that if you're at home raising your kids as a man, you struggle in the bedroom?
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And I noticed that on your first book, which was written in 2017, being there, on the cover it says, why prioritising motherhood in bigger letters? in the first three years matters. Scientifically, evolutionarily, with studies and research, how can you make the case to me to make me believe that the role of the mother in particular is essential versus a father or other caregiver?
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What would you change? I make you prime minister of the world, president of the world, and you can fix this issue.
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What about as it relates to men? What would you change to fix the issues you were talking about with testosterone and those kinds of issues? Hmm.
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There was a longitudinal study done in the Philippines that followed 624 men over almost five years and found that those who became fathers experienced a significant decline in testosterone levels. Specifically, newly partnered fathers had a medium decrease of almost 30% in morning testosterone and 35% in evening testosterone, which was significantly greater than the declines observed in men.
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single non-fathers. Moreover, fathers who reported spending three or more hours daily in childcare had lower testosterone levels compared to those less involved in caregiving. And there's also an impact on co-sleeping, where research indicates that fathers who co-sleep with their children exhibit lower testosterone levels than those who do not.
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This suggests that close proximity during sleep may further influence hormonal changes associated with parental caregiving. One of the arguments I've heard before as to why men's testosterone dips if they're new fathers is because it's an evolutionary reason to make us not go out and cheat on our partner and take care of our kids.
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My last question is about devices and technology. There's been a lot of books written recently and a lot of conversation around the impact that screens, social media, mobile phones have on children. What is your thoughts and philosophy towards raising healthy kids in a world of technology?
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What is the most important thing we should have talked about today that we didn't talk about so far?
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What do I do as an employer? I employ lots of people and I'm thinking, shit, do I need to give people three years off when they have a kid? Is that the...
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Men and women?
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You realize that some of the things you say are controversial?
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Why do you say them anyway?
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Why is it so personal to you? I can see it in your face.
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I want to keep the Diary of a CEO free and not behind any kind of paywall or subscription model forever. And the way that we do that is that you guys choose to follow and subscribe to this show. So if you're listening to the show right now, you might have been sent the episode. You might have listened to a couple before. Can you do me a favor?
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What were the symptoms that that had on you as a young woman growing up, as an adolescent?
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Erica, we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they are leaving it for. And the question that has been left for you is, what does your obituary say?
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I think it will. I certainly think it will. And I think there'd also be an additional couple of sentences there that speak to the value that you've given to the world through the work that you do.
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Now, people might not agree with everything you say because people have lots of different opinions on these subjects, but I'm of the opinion that people who are willing to deliver their thoughts, their truth, based on the science that they've experienced and that they've read and what they've studied and the experiences that they've had, the clients that they've seen,
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It's so unbelievably important, because I think if we look back through history, progress has occurred when people have dissented from the accepted narrative. In fact, I probably wouldn't be able to sit here in America as a black man if it wasn't for people who had the courage of their convictions to dissent from certain narratives. And so I've always, I think I've had it hardwired into me that
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Disagreement is productive, especially when it's well-meaning. And that's exactly how I see your work. I think that you're challenging a narrative, bringing evidence and a new opinion to the table, a different perspective that I think is very, very important for so many. And it's been so interesting for me because I've struggled.
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I'm approaching that season of life where I become a father and I'm reading all this stuff about leave your kid to cry on the floor in the supermarket or put them in timeout or...
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Yeah, I know. So I've been trying to wade through this storm of like parenting advice and bullshit and stuff. And it's really wonderful to hear your perspective because it is a counter perspective. It's the perspective that nobody really wants to say out loud. And therefore, for me, it's useful. Thank you, Erica. Thank you so much for your time and generosity today. I really, really appreciate it.
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And please continue to do the work you do. And I'm very excited for your upcoming book. I think it's next year, isn't it?
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about divorces. If anyone wants to find more of your work, we've got these two exceptional books here, Being There, Why Prioritising Motherhood in the First Three Years Matters, which is a wonderful book that was published in 2017, I believe. And then this one here, Chicken Little, The Sky Isn't Falling, Raising Resilient Adolescents in the New Age of Anxiety, which was published in 21, I believe.
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I'll link both of these below. I highly recommend you read these books if you're interested in these subjects like I am. But where else can people find you?
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Great. I'll link both of those below wherever you're listening to this now. Erica, thank you.
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Some of the most successful, fascinating, and insightful people in the world have sat across from me at this table. And at the end of every conversation, I ask them to leave a question behind in the famous diary of a CEO. And it's a question designed to spark the kind of conversations that matter most, the kind of conversations that can change your life.
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We then take those questions and we put them on these cards. On every single card, you can see the person who left the question, the question they asked, and on the other side, if you scan that barcode, you can see who answered it next. Something I know a lot of you have wanted to know.
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And the only way to find out is by getting yourself some conversation cards, which you can play at home with friends and family, at work with colleagues, and also with total strangers on holiday. I'll put a link to the conversation cards in the description below, and you can get yours at thediary.com.
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They violated the agreement. They're not allowed to violate the agreement. China's running the Panama Canal. That was not given to China. That was given to Panama foolishly. But they violated the agreement and we're going to take it back or something very powerful is going to happen.
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has been very abusive of the United States for many years. They don't allow our banks. And you know that? Canada does not allow banks to go in. If you think about it, that's pretty amazing. If we have a U.S. bank, they don't allow them to go in. Canada has been very tough on oil, on energy. They don't allow our farm products in, essentially.
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They don't allow a lot of things in, and we allow everything to come in. It's been a one-way street. We subsidize Canada by the tune of about $200 billion a year. And for what? What do we get out of it? We don't get anything out of it. I love the people of Canada. I disagree with the leadership of Canada. And something's going to happen there. But if they want to play the game, I don't mind.
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No, no, I'm not concerned. We may have short term, some little pain and people understand that. But long term, the United States has been ripped off.
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Now you've launched this $200 million project.
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Ich will es einfach klar machen. Ich möchte nicht weitergehen, bis ich es vollständig verstehe. Du bist in den Südpol gegangen. Ja. Du hast dich aufgewacht, diese Wälder zu sehen, die zeigen, dass das Universum wächst. Ja. Was du tatsächlich sahst, waren Linien von Dust. Richtig. Ist das eine simplifizierte Welt? Ja. Aber du hättest gedacht, du hättest diese Mikrowellen der Universität gesehen.
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Two things I wanted to say. The first thing is a huge thank you for listening and tuning into the show week after week. It means the world to all of us and this really is a dream that we absolutely never had and couldn't have imagined getting to this place. But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like we're only just getting started. Dr. Brian Keating Dr. Brian Keating
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Was glaubst du, ist der Ursprung des Universums? Ist es Gott? Ist es irgendeine seltsame kosmische Reaktion, die für keinen Grund geschehen ist? Ich weiß, dass du eine Überraschung hast.
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Was ist das kompelste Beweis, das du je erlebt hast, dass es einen Gott sein könnte?
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Wenn wir aus einem Einzelorganismus kommen, wie es manche sagen, dann scheint das Gebirge ein ganz neues Konzept zu sein.
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Denn wenn man sich an einige der evolutionären Geschichten der Einzelorganismen denkt, die sich dann dividierten, und dann die Theorie des Darwinismus, dass es die Umgebung war, die definierte, wie wir das Gebirge geben, und wie unterschiedliche Tiere das Gebirge geben oder in unterschiedlichen Weichen replizieren.
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So, if you go back far enough, it seems that giving birth as we know it, which is this process where the baby comes out and they cut the cord, is actually quite recent in the history of consciousness, but also just like living organisms.
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It's so amazing, but it doesn't feel like it gives me... Ich weiß nicht, da ist etwas in meinem Gehirn, das denkt, wenn ein Einzelzellorganismus, ich weiß nicht, vor Jahrhunderten, ausgeschlossen wird, weil von einer Mutation, die mehr Einzelzellorganismen verursacht hat, ausgeschlossen wird. Ich meine, ich glaube, es ist immer noch die Kreation, ist es nicht?
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Die Menschen sind ziemlich neu, sind sie nicht?
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Also hat es nur für 200.000 Jahre gedauert, bis wir über die Möglichkeit Gottes denken konnten. Das ist fast so seltsam. Man könnte sagen, Gott ist nur für 200.000 Jahre existiert.
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Was ist die Mission, auf der du bist?
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So für mich, das Schlechte und das Gute und wie Freude und Schmerz viel Sinn machen, aus einer evolutionären Perspektive. Es macht viel Sinn, warum man fühlen würde, dieses überwältigende Gefühl von Liebe und Schutz, wenn du geboren wirst, wenn dein Sohn oder deine Tochter in der Welt kommt, weil dieses Gefühl von deinen Angehörigen ausgelöst wird.
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Und deine Angehörigen hatten dieses Gefühl, also überlebten sie, und ihre Angehörigen überlebten. Und dieses Gefühl wird stärker, als es ausgelöst wird, weil diejenigen, die es haben, es eher auf ihr DNA überlassen, also das DNA, wenn dieses Gefühl durch die Generationen überläuft. Also verstehe ich das. Und dann mit dem Schaden,
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Ich kann das auch ziemlich gut verstehen, weil wenn wir das Schicksal vielleicht als ein Gefühl denken oder als etwas, das passiert, oder eine Krankheit, kann ich das theoretisch verstehen.
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Es gibt kein Schicksal, das Schicksal ist kein Schicksal. Und auch das kann ich verstehen, weil ich kann verstehen, dass das Gehirn so fragil ist und ich kann alle diese menschlichen Instinkte und Chemikalien und Leidenschaft und... Selbst Liebe kommt damit mit. Wenn eine Frau stirbt, ist sie statistisch unser Mann. Das ist schrecklich, oder? Aber es ist auch Liebe.
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Ich verstehe die Komplexität von all dem.
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was für eine aktive Rolle Gott in dieser Sache spielt. Ich war religiös, bis ich 18 war. Und dann habe ich, glaube ich, mich in einen Höhepunkt gefällt, als ich zu Richard Dawkins und Sam Harris gehört habe. Das hat mich in eine Position gebracht, in der ich mich wahrscheinlich als agnostisch bezeichnen würde.
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Aber es gibt immer noch diese große Frage, die über meinem Leben hängt, und das ist, woher kommt das menschliche Leben? Ist es möglich, Es kam einfach nicht von irgendwoher. Ist es möglich, dass es einen großen Knall gab? Am Anfang von all dem hat es viele Reaktionen erzeugt.
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Eine solcher Reaktion fügte einige Chemikalien ein, die in der richtigen Ordnung über Millionen und Millionen von Jahren fügten. Es begann, sich zu bewegen, so wie Pflanzen sich nicht bewegen können. Das führte dann zu einem evolutionären Prozess. Und jetzt bin ich hier. Mein Gehirn war 200.000 Jahre herrscher als die anderen Mönche. Jetzt habe ich dieses Ding entwickelt, das sich um Dinge denkt.
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Und hier bin ich, um alles herauszufinden, jetzt, dass mein Gehirn so groß ist, dank der Darwinischen Evolution. Is that the game? And when people hear me say that, they probably think, oh, the natural reaction to that is... Because it threatens your sense of purpose and belonging and it threatens justice. Your natural reaction to that is, no, I hope it's not.
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And so let me think of ways that that can't possibly be true. But I'm not tempted by that. I'm tempted by figuring out what's true. Irrespective of how warm and fuzzy it is. And... I still don't know. But I'm hoping science has some answers for me.
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Ja, ich weiß nicht, weil ich weiß nicht, was Praxis ist, weil ich nicht weiß, was Gott ist oder welche Geschichte wahr ist. Ich weiß nicht, was Praxis wahr ist. Glaubst du an Gott?
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Das ist genau die Schlussfolgerung, die mich, als ich 18 Jahre alt war, verabschiedet hat. Das ist die richtige Schlussfolgerung. Wir gehen jeden Tag in die Kirche. Wir sind in der Kirche geboren, haben die Bibel gelesen, all diese Dinge. Als ich jünger war, war ich unter der Überzeugung, dass ich zu hell und brennen gehen würde, wenn ich diesem Menschen im Himmel nicht aufhören würde.
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Dann habe ich diese Bücher gelesen. Richard Dawkins Bücher und ein paar andere Bücher auf diesem Thema. Und ich habe gehört, dass Gott omnipotent und omniscient war, was viel Sinn macht, weil wenn du diesen Welt kreierst und aktiv bist, musst du ziemlich mächtig sein und ziemlich wissend sein. Und dann habe ich beschlossen, dass Gott einen gemeinsamen Sinn hätte.
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Und ich dachte, er würde verstehen, dass ich kämpfe. Und er würde verstehen, dass so lange ich eine gute Leben lebe und ich nicht Menschen töte und ich nicht Menschen blöde. und ich bin kind und ich bin respektvoll zu Menschen und ich bin ein nettes Positives auf der Erde, dann, wenn der Himmel existiert, würde mir jeder Gott, den ich unterstützen möchte, in die Richtung lassen.
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Was sind die kontroversesten, existenziellen Fragen, die Sie mit all Ihrem Forschungsausdruck beantworten?
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Und er würde verstehen, dass ich nicht genug Informationen hatte, um meine Flagge in irgendeiner religiösen Religion zu stellen. Also würde er mich in die Richtung lassen. Also wurde mein Thesis dann, ich werde einfach eine gute Person sein. Und du steigst deine Werte, weil irgendein dezenter Gott, den es, glaube ich, wert ist, würde sagen, das war ein dezenter Mensch.
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Er konnte es nicht ganz sehen, aber... Aber du würdest es nicht sehen, ein bisschen... Entschuldigung für den Rückzug.
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Es hängt davon ab, ob ich sicher wusste, dass er existierte und eine bestimmte Buch- und Doktrin korrekt war. Ich würde 100%ig mit dieser Buch- und Doktrin verhalten. Aber wenn ich wusste, dass er existierte, aber ich wusste nicht, welches Buch korrekt war, dann würde ich wahrscheinlich genau so verhalten, wie ich es jetzt tue.
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Weil das Verhalten, die Praxis, der Sabbat kommt aus einem dieser Bücher oder Doktrinen.
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Ich kämpfe sicher damit. Wenn ich sage, ich kämpfe damit, nicht in einer Weise, die mir Schmerzen, Schmerzen oder tiefen Frustrationen verursacht, aber es ist... Es ist ein rekreierter Gedanke.
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Und ich denke tatsächlich, seit ich diesen Podcast gemacht habe, und vielleicht auch als ich aufgewachsen bin, und die Reise, die ich gemacht habe, habe ich mehr Fragen jetzt, als ich es je hatte, seit ich 18 Jahre alt geworden bin. Ich habe mehr Fragen jetzt. Es ist lustig, ich bin auf dieser Art von Arche, wo ich mir sicher war, als ich jünger war, dass Gott wahr war.
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Und dann war ich wirklich sicher, dass der Gott, den ich glaubte, wahrscheinlich nicht wahr war. Und jetzt finde ich mich wieder in einer Position, in der ich wieder das Forschungsprojekt anfange, um herauszufinden, was wirklich wahr ist. Ich frage mich manchmal, ob ich das falsche Ding suche.
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Denn wir sind so entdeckt in dieser Idee, dass es ein Mann im Himmel ist und der weiße Haar und so weiter. Also suchen wir Beweise dafür. Aber vielleicht sollte ich Beweise für etwas anderes suchen. Ist es ein Gefühl, das ich suche?
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Du hast gesagt, dass du Gott als etwas wie eine Kraft denkst. Glaubst du, dass es eine gewisse Kraft ist? Wenn ich sitze und dem Gott bete, werden sie mich hören?
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Was ist mit mir auf der Straße zu gehen und mein Herz rauszuholen? Das würde mich in meine Mygdala, es würde mich überlegen, es würde mich emotional machen. Ich kann mir vorstellen, dass es dir das Gefühl geben kann, wenn du eine bestimmte Musik hörst. Welche Rolle spielt Gott in diesem Moment?
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So interessant, weil... Wenn ich die Frage frage, ob Gott mich hören kann, und ob er mich hören kann, ist die zweite Frage, ob er etwas über das, was er hört, tun kann. Es gibt so viel Beweise in der Welt, dass er dich nicht hören kann und dass er nichts darüber tun wird.
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Potentially, yeah. But when I ask this question about, like, could I, if I pray, is it going to influence my outcomes in any way? You know, there's a natural disaster.
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Das ist das, was ich meine. Wenn man sich die wissenschaftlichen Methoden anschaut... Das ist das, was ich gesagt habe. Wir könnten das anzeigen und sagen, ob die Betrachtung funktioniert. Und man könnte, ich weiß nicht, durch die Geschichte des Holocausten schauen oder in einen anderen Weltraum schauen. Es ist ein natürlicher Desaster.
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Hat die Betrachtung die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass schlechte Dinge zu diesen Menschen passieren?
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Aber ich kann all diese Verhältnisse haben, wie eine Gratitude-Praxis, ich kann eine Meditation-Praxis haben, ich gehe auf den Strand, ich kann all diese Dinge machen. Und ich kann immer noch all diese Dinge machen, ohne die Bedürfnisse eines Götters. Oh, sicher. Und ich bekomme all die Vorteile von all diesen Dingen.
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Wenn ich Gratitude vor dem Essen spreche oder manchmal, wenn ich auf dem Flugzeug bin und mich daran erinnern muss, und ich kann mich fast emotional machen, nur daran zu denken, wie unglaublich es ist, dass ich einige der Dinge machen kann, die ich in meinem Leben gemacht habe, bis zu dem Punkt, wo ich physische Emotionen habe.
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Aber ohne die Präsenz dafür zu haben, das zu einem Gott in irgendeiner Art zu bezeichnen. Ich suche nach dem Ort, in dem Gott sich befindet. Warum ist Gott notwendig? Ist es nur, weil ich so viele Gnade habe, dass ich jemandem für diese Dinge dankbar sein sollte? Ich denke, wie mein Leben sich in den letzten zehn Jahren verändert hat. Von den shoplifting-Pizzas bis hier sitzen. Es ist unglaublich.
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Du denkst, du bist etwas in der Truman Show, wenn du darüber nachdenkst. Und du denkst dir, wem danke ich für das? Ich danke meinen Eltern? Ich danke mir selbst? Ich danke Gott? Aber ist das der Grund, um dankbar zu sein? Aber dann ist da ein Bias, weil es Kinder gibt in der Stadt Botswana, in der ich geboren wurde, die noch in der Stadt Botswana sind, in der ich geboren wurde.
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Und sie tun nicht so gut. Hat Gott sie nicht gefreut? Und dann, wenn du sagst, nein, Gott mag beide von euch, dann sage ich, okay, dann ist Gott nicht verantwortlich für das. Es war etwas, was ich oder meine Eltern machten, die verantwortlich für das waren, also sollte ich sie danken. Also, wo passt Gott wieder?
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Und ich gehe einfach in diese Runden und sage, ich weiß nicht, sind wir versuchen, einen Gott zu erschaffen, um den Sinn der Dinge, die wir fühlen und der Erfahrungen, die wir haben, und das Baby, das sich abnimmt? und der Gratitude und der solare Eklips und der Sonnenschein? Wollen wir das jemandem geben, weil es so viel ist? Oder hat Gott es uns gegeben?
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Wow.
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Also, wenn du von diesem neuen Projekt herausgefunden hast, dieses 200-Millionen-Dollar-Projekt, das du entworfen hast, um herauszufinden, ob die Existenz, nicht die Existenz, aber die Ursprünglichkeit des Universums, die Ursprünglichkeit der Leben, wenn du unequivocally herausgefunden hast, dass Gott nicht wahr ist, überzeugt dich dazu, dass du jetzt glaubst, dass Gott nicht der Schöpfer des Universums ist.
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Wir können Universen in kleinen Läden erschaffen, vielleicht 1000 Jahre später können wir unsere eigenen Universen aus nichts erschaffen. Oder wir finden, wir sind in einer Simulation. Genau.
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Aber du wirst dann von deinem Verhalten und den Rewarden von deinem Verhalten begleitet, was mein Leben ist. Ja, okay, also das Atemwerk und die Meditation. Ich werde begleitet, wenn Gratitude gut ist, dann mache ich das. Wenn es gut ist, auf der Straße zu gehen, dann mache ich das. Wenn es gut ist, ein Baby zu haben, dann mache ich das.
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Wenn ich Gott in mein Leben addiere und es wegnehme, werden meine Verhältnisse gleich sein, weil ich von den Dingen, die mich gut fühlen, begleitet werde.
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No, because that wouldn't make me feel good. Like a donut, I've run the experiment and eating the donut makes me feel okay for the time it's touching my tongue, but then bad for 12 hours when my gut starts reacting badly. So I don't do that anymore.
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Wie lange dauert mein Leben?
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Ich würde wahrscheinlich zehn Jahre weniger leben, um ... So in my analogy, that's exactly right. So I feel like that level of...
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Du hast das Wort Simulation vor einem Sekunden erwähnt. Das ist etwas, worüber ich viel nachdenke. Für diejenigen, die es nicht wissen, was ist die Simulationstheorie und leben wir in einer Simulation? Gute Frage.
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And how does the question of God tie into all of this? I guess the most controversial question is, is there a God or is there not a God? And then a sub-question to that would be, Welche Form nimmt dieser Gott? Sind das Fragen, die du beantworten möchtest? Für mich persönlich, ja.
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Aliens. Do aliens exist?
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Das ist viel besser als das, was du mir gegeben hast.
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Wenn wir über diese Tafel denken, um in Kontext zu stellen, wie groß der Universum ist. Wenn der Universum die Größe dieser Tafel gewesen wäre, wie groß wäre die Erde auf dieser Tafel?
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Nicht mal ein Gras Sand?
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Was wäre das?
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And can we travel to the end of the solar system?
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Also wäre unser ganzes Sonnensystem eine Stange Sand auf dieser Tafel. Ja, etwa eine halbe Stange. Eine halbe Stange Sand auf dieser Tafel. Diese Tafel ist ungefähr 2,5 Meter groß. Und wie viele Tafeln sind da?
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Das hat mich wirklich überrascht. Unser gesamtes Sonnensystem ist ein halbes Teppich Sand auf dieser 2- oder 3-Meter-Tafel. Und es gibt hunderttausend Billionen Tafeln. Wenn du das hörst, denkst du dir, okay, es ist wirklich egal. Es ist so bizarr, dass wir in die Gefahr geraten sind, dass wir wichtig sind. Ich weiß nicht. Für mich ist das ein weiteres Fragezeichen für die Religion.
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Aber das andere, was mich fragt, ist, sicherlich... Es muss ein anderes Leben auf einer dieser Sandgränsen, auf den hunderttausendbillionen Türen sein.
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Keiner von ihnen kann das haben. Probabilistisch.
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Weil die Sache mit dem Südpol ist, okay, es ist niemand da. Und wenn du mich dort hättest und gesagt hättest, es ist ihre Leben, und ich habe einen Teleskop rausgebracht und ich habe geschaut, dann würde ich sagen, es gibt keine Leben hier. Ich kann nichts sehen. Ich denke, ich würde sagen, ich bin die einzige Person hier. Und dann würde ich mich zu mir selbst beweisen.
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Ich würde sagen, ich muss wirklich wichtig sein. Ich könnte denken, dass ich ein Gott bin. Wenn ich die einzige Leben da wäre, würde ich mich um die Wege schauen und ich würde für Tage und Tage und Tage laufen. send out pigeons and whatever. And I go, there's no one, it's just me.
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But then little do I know that although this little space is inhabitable, if you go, get on a plane and go a little bit further, you get to the land of the free.
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Oh yeah, I read the article.
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When you apply that thinking to God, it changes though. Because earlier you said, we just can't fathom. We can't fathom this creator and the factors that would go into this creator. So we almost have to... Some people just choose to believe. And the same can be applied to this thinking of how they got here. Maybe we don't know their technology because it's just unfathomable.
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Like the iPod or the iPad was 100 years ago.
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So if they're just 100 years ahead of us technologically, we would think that they were doing witchcraft. We wouldn't understand the basis of the technology that they used to travel here.
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So what do you think the probability is that we are alone? Do you think we're alone in the universe?
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Oh, so that's how the tides work. Basically, wherever the moon is, it's pulling the ocean up.
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The first two created life though, right? Say again? It was the first two of those three that created life.
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Wenn du ein Entrepreneur bist, wirst du das wahrscheinlich hören. Das ist eine Botschaft von einem unserer Sponsoren auf diesem Podcast, der LinkedIn ist. Wenn du mich auf diesem Podcast gehört hast, wirst du wissen, dass ich als Geschäftsführer und Entrepreneur ein bisschen entwickelt habe. ... is hiring. The definition of the word company is actually group of people.
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Die Frage, ob es einen Gott gibt oder nicht, und welcher Gott am akkuratsten repräsentiert wird durch die Wissenschaft. Ja, und die Kreationsgeschichten, die diese Religionen sich oder der Welt erzählen. Du hast ein 200-Millionen-Dollar-Projekt gegründet. Was bedeutet das? Und was ist die Frage, die du mit diesem 200-Millionen-Dollar-Projekt grundsätzlich beantworten willst?
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Ist es möglich, in deiner Sicht, von allem, was du in deiner Forschung und deinen Studien des Universums gemacht hast, ist es möglich, dass irgendetwas in den Sternen unsere Ergebnisse und unsere Persönlichkeit entscheidet und ob er mich oder ich gut auf Bitcoin verkaufen wird? Gibt es da etwas?
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Ich habe so viel Beweise für mein Ding, wie du für dein Ding, weil sie es fast als religiöse Glauben bezeichnen. Die Leute, die ich kenne, haben ihre gesamten Leben gedesignt und die Bedeutung ihrer Leben, die sie herausfinden, wenn sie auf die Sterne schauen. Wie ist es anders als Religion und Astrologie?
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Vielleicht ohne die Bedeutung, aber sie suchen Beleidigung in ihren Leben. Sie bekommen Antworten von den Sternen. Sie machen Entscheidungen, die darauf basieren. dass viel von ihrem moralischen Kompass, viel von ihren Moralen und Ethiken und Entscheidungen und Verhältnissen in der gleichen Weise, wie es von jemandem ist, der an Gott glaubt.
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Es ist schwer zu... Ich bin nicht die falsche Person, um es so zu fragen.
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Bevor du Kinder hattest, was war der Sinn deines Lebens? Es war sehr einfach. Ich wollte einen Nobelpreis gewinnen. Und das hat sich jetzt verändert?
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Ich wusste nicht, dass alle diese tollen Individuen sich selbst als Impostoren fühlten. Ich glaube, das wird viele Leute von der Art, wie sie sich fühlen, befreien. Ich fühle das jeden Tag. Wenn mich Leute auf der Bühne als Interview oder Podcast vorstellen, dann denke ich mir, was zur Hölle? Das war mir nie vorzunehmen. Ich weiß, dass Jax das gleiche gesagt hat.
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Ich hätte nie gedacht, dass ich einen Podcast machen würde, der groß ist und die Leute denken, dass du es gut machst. Ich weiß. Du bist nicht nur gut, Stephen. Du bist auf einem Eliten-Niveau.
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Was ist das denn? Und wie ist das passiert? Ich bin nicht zur Schule gegangen. Ich habe nur hier gesessen und Fragen in meiner Küche gestellt. mehr Leute kamen rein und sagten, du bist gut damit. Ich dachte, was bedeutet gut? Ich tue es nicht gleich wie Rogan. Und Rogan ist gut damit. Und Huberman ist gut damit.
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Das hat mich erschrocken. Ich dachte, wow. Das Meteor hat es nicht gemacht. Es ist verrückt, wenn man über den Einfluss denkt. Und über den langwierigen Einfluss, den dieses Medium durch Internet hat. Selbst Bücher sind jetzt in Audiobüchern, in digitalen Büchern und so.
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With that in mind, with this knowledge that what we're creating, what all of us are creating, whether you have a podcast or not, or you're just writing on the internet, whatever it might be, with the knowledge that it's going to und es wird hier in vielen Generationen in Zukunft sein, wie soll das, wie soll das verändern, wie jemand kreiert?
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Weil ich denke, du hast es mir gesagt, ich dachte, Jesus Christus, das ist ziemlich profund. Aber dann, Sekunden später, war ich so, fast wie die Simulation-Theorie, ich dachte einfach, fuck it, crack on. Weißt du, was ich meine? Einfach mit dem, was du tust, weitergehen. Weil wenn du, du kannst zu tief hinein kommen, dass du dich enttäuschen kannst oder dich von
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die Grundlage für das, was das Spezielle macht. Darf ich mit diesem Wissen etwas ändern? Ich glaube, du kannst das.
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Ich weiß nicht, würdest du das? Es ist lustig, weil wenn ich die Frage beantworten gehe und all die Nachteile meines Lebens entferne, Es ist immer eine Frage, ob der Wettbewerb wert ist. Das ist die Frage, die ich mir ständig frage. Jede Woche, jeden Monat.
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Und ich erinnere mich manchmal, ich habe es Trevor jetzt gesagt, aber er hat mir gesagt, dass es zu einem Punkt kommt, wo man die Entscheidung nicht wiederholen kann. Ich versuche, mir zu erinnern, dass ich diesen Podcast delizieren könnte. Ich könnte... Ich könnte meinen ganzen Social-Media-Kanal verlassen, und ich könnte jetzt in Bali gehen.
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Und ich habe das am letzten Tag im Kopf gespielt und dachte mir, wenn ich mir sage, dass ich mich für Frieden optimiere in dieser Zeit meines Lebens, dann warum mache ich all diese Sachen? Weil das nicht wirklich Frieden ist. Und dann spiele ich das Szenario aus und sage mir, okay, ich gehe in Bali. Ich werde da ruhig sein.
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Ich habe die finanziellen Mittel, um da für den Rest meines Lebens zu leben. Ich werde ruhig sein und dann werde ich anfangen, Und dann fange ich an zu schreiben. Und dann mache ich Videos darüber, was ich schreibe. Und dann fange ich an zu malen. Und dann fange ich an zu malen. Und dann fange ich an zu malen. Und dann fange ich an zu malen. Und dann fange ich an zu malen.
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Ich denke, das ist das, was man tun sollte.
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Brian, we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for. And the question that's been left for you is, if you found out that the world was ending in 10 minutes, Wem würdest du sprechen wollen und was würdest du ihnen sagen? Ah, das ist einfach.
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Es war eine wunderschöne Konversation. Ich wünsche allen, die zu Ihrem Show gehen und Ihren Büchern lesen, alles, was ich unten verlinkt habe, super faszinierend. Und auch, wenn Sie die Chance haben, diese Spacematerialien zu gewinnen. Es ist so großartig, dass ich das habe. Ich bin ein großer Fan von Spacematerialien und SpaceX und allem, was im Universum stattfindet.
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Vielen Dank für diese Präsentation. Sie können die Uranus-Maschine behalten, aber ich werde die Mars-Maschine behalten. Die Arbeit, die Sie tun, ist so wichtig, weil sie demystifiziert hilft, und uns zu helfen, die Natur dieser sehr tiefen Fragen zu verstehen. Nicht immer, weil wir versuchen, alles herauszufinden, damit wir das Leben ändern können.
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Aber nur, weil es so viel Schönheit, Freude und Bedeutung gibt, irrespective dessen, was die Antwort ist. Und es sind Leute wie du, die unsere Gedanken öffnen.
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in einer Art und Weise, die mir hilft, auch wenn ich nie einen Teleskop bauen werde, ich nie auf den Südpol gehen werde, ich nie den Himmel anzeigen werde und ich nie diese Fragen in meinem Leben beantworten werde, aber dein Arbeit erweitert meine Meinung. Es erweitert meine Gedanken über Möglichkeiten.
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Und als Entrepreneur, als Kreator, denke ich, das ist ein nettes Positives für jeden, der das Arbeit, das du tust, bekommt. Es ist so bizarr, dass wir so interessiert sind über die Sterne, aber es ist so ein wunderschönes Ding. Und so lange du weitergehst, gibt es sehr wenige Leute wie du.
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Und ich dachte, als wir heute gehen, gibt es sehr wenige Leute in der Welt, die beide klug sind, was ich glaube, ziemlich normal ist, aber dann auch kommunizieren können. Und das ist wirklich, ich habe dich und Neil deGrasse Tyson getroffen, die diese unglaubliche Fähigkeit haben, Wissenschaft in einer Art und Weise zu kommunizieren, die inspiriert, galvanisiert und die Wunsch kultiviert.
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Das ist eine wirklich wundervolle Sache. Das ist exzeptionell. Diese Kombination von Kräften, wie du es gesagt hast, über die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass ein Komet das Universum schießt und ein Mond entsteht, die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass diese zwei Dinge in demselben Ort passieren, ist so exzeptionell. Aber es ist wundervoll, dass wir Leute wie dich in dieser Welt von Podcasting haben, weil, weißt du,
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Maybe once upon a time it would have been harder to hear your voice, but now everybody can go and listen to you. And I highly recommend they do. Your YouTube channel is exceptional. So thank you so much, Brian. Thank you. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you. It's been an honor for me. Thank you, Stephen. This diary won't change your life, but the habits it teaches you definitely will.
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The most unhelpful advice that I ever received was don't sweat the small stuff. You have to sweat the small stuff. I sweat the small stuff. I always have my always proudly will. Because small things that are easy to do are also easy not to do. It is easy to save a dollar, so it's also easy not to. It is easy to brush your teeth, so it's also easy not to. It is easy to make a 1% improvement.
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Setz also easy not to. Understanding the power of compounding 1%, you can absolutely change your outcomes in your life. It isn't about drastic transformations or quick wins. It's about the small, consistent actions that have a lasting change in your outcomes. Also, vor zwei Jahren haben wir den Prozess gestartet, dieses wunderschöne Diary zu erschaffen. Und es ist wirklich wunderschön.
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Innerlich gibt es viele Bilder, viele Inspiration und Motivation auch. Einige interaktive Elemente. Und der Grund für dieses Diary ist es, dich zu identifizieren, dich zu konzentrieren, die Konsistenz zu entwickeln mit den 1%, die dich letztendlich verändern werden. Wir werden nur einen kurzen Rund von diesen Diaries machen.
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Wie kennst du das, dass das ein Meteor ist?
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Für diejenigen, die das gerade nicht sehen können, es sieht aus wie ein Stoff. Es ist fast identisch mit einem schwarzen Stoff.
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Und ich kann nicht erklären, wie unglaublich schwer das ist. Ich glaube nicht, dass ich jemals etwas so groß und so schwer behalten konnte.
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Also, das 200 Millionen. Was machst du damit?
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Was ist die grundlegende Frage, die du beantworten willst?
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Your 1% Boost: Do This To Stop Premature Ageing!: Daniel E. Lieberman
In your first book in 2013, The Story of the Human Body, in chapter 12, you said, you used this phrase, use it or lose it, basically. We evolved to use or lose our bodies. And I was sat with someone recently, and I was trying to figure out why it appears that when people retire, or the other instance I've seen is,
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When their elderly partner passes away, it appears as if they don't live much longer. Yeah. It's kind of like kind of folklore or something that once you retire, your days are kind of numbered.
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And I was trying to figure out the evolutionary reason for that, but it sounds like it's kind of what you've explained there.
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So would you say we shouldn't retire?
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I've been thinking a lot about this because I was saying to Jack, my dad is 60-ish, but he's very, very out of shape. Very, very out of shape. And I was in Indonesia and I was with my girlfriend and we were going whitewater rafting. So we had to go down this really big hill with all these stairs. It was like 300 meters of stairs. And I remember just thinking, my dad wouldn't be able to do this.
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at his age at 60 and I want to be able to go down those stairs when I'm his age because at the bottom of there was a fun activity with someone I loved and to think that I'll get to a point in my life where not so far away in the grand scheme of things where I won't be able to go up or down some stairs because I'm 60 because of my sort of genetic predisposition as I saw it was quite was quite sad but having heard you say that it's really feels much more like a choice than it is genetics
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From what you said there, it sounds like not doing resistance training, not lifting weights as you age, almost accelerates aging in any sort of superficial sense. But also in a physiological sense, you're increasing the speed of aging more.
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So we've now got ourselves into a bit of a comfort crisis here because everything in our lives is optimizing us for convenience and ease.
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It is in the short term, or at least it appears to be today. Right.
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In the first chapter of your book, you say that you went to visit the Native American tribe, and I'm going to try and perhaps pronounce this, the Tarahumara. Tarahumara. And they're famous for their long running. Yes. What did you learn about running from them?
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Yes, where people go on and lose weight.
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I'm going to point at it on my foot. This part of my foot here started to get lots of pain. Plantar fasciitis. That's it. Plantar fasciitis. I started to get some plantar fasciitis. That's so fun. And it was just this ongoing pain. And they prescribed me some insoles. I stood on a couple of machines, some soft stuff.
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on the police example and the biggest loser example i can relate in the sense that when i exercise when i go through the the moments of my life where i'm most committed to exercise i'm also most committed to my diet yeah because i if i go to the gym i will not then leave the gym and have a donut or a pizza absolutely not it seems like wasting the effort
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So if you look at the sort of correlation between the moments in my life where I eat healthiest, they're also the moments in my life where I'm most focused on the gym.
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And I noticed there was a couple of months ago, I had a bit of a motivation slump, managed to stay in our little WhatsApp group, but coasted down the bottom of the leaderboard for a couple of months on end, just like surviving every month by one. And through those moments, my motivation in the gym had gone down and my diet had gone down.
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The minute I managed to get in the gym and do a big workout, the same day my diet came back.
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What is the most important thing we haven't talked about, Daniel?
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And they measured my foot and took this scan of it and said, right, basically you're standing wrong. your arch is a bit too flat, take these insoles and wear them in all of your shoes. And I just, I always think in these moments when someone prescribes me something that's not natural, I go,
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
Really?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
why like where did i go wrong and i think that's the key question where did i go wrong who lied to me to the point now that at 30 years old i have these bloody insoles that i have to put in all my shoes because presumably that's not natural presumably my my ancestors don't have bloody insoles yeah so
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Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
No comment.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
So the plantar fasciitis has now healed after about a month of wearing the insole. I no longer have the insoles with me here in New York and I don't have them in any of my shoes because I've also taken a bit of time off running on my feet. I was playing a lot of football. So now I'm at a point where I can go to the preventable stage, prevent it happening again. And you said to strengthen my foot.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
How does one strengthen their foot?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
Jack could you go grab my the black shoe out of my bag? I just want to show him something
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Oh, you've got the same shoes on.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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These are fairly a new addition in my life. Yeah. And they feel really strange because you can kind of feel the floor. Yeah. It's exactly what you've described is. Yeah.
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Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
And this goes back to everything else you've said about how choosing comfort, choosing to have a nice supportive shoe has actually just kind of deferred a problem off into the future for me.
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Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
It's the same with diets, the same with avoiding exercise and being sedentary and all these other things where when you choose the easy road in the short term, which is this wonderful cushioned shoe I've chosen, the muscle hasn't built up in my foot and I've paid the price. Correct. So I need to, again, choose discomfort more in the short term, go up the stairs.
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Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
run barefoot to avoid the consequences later down the line.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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There's another myth that you bust, which I thought was really interesting, because I think I know a lot of people that have used this as a reason not to run. They say it's really bad for your knees.
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Key Moment: Harvard Professor Reveals The Biggest Lies About Exercise & Weight Loss!
So would you recommend, if you can, to run more barefoot? Especially if you have those kind of shoes we just discussed.
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What's the best kind of cardiovascular exercise for the promotion of good health? Because I've been doing some CrossFit stuff. I've been doing some HIIT workouts. I've been trying not to run because I've had a few injuries. I'm trying not to run as much because it seems to be a little bit more impact than if I'm bullshitting myself there.
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So I've been doing some HIIT workouts for 30 minutes a day when I leave here.
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Pretty much every day at the moment. We track it with a group of friends we have. There's 10 of us in a WhatsApp group.
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whoever's last whoever does the least workouts every month is evicted and there's a raffle so there's a raffle yesterday on the first was it the first yesterday yeah for a new member and we do that every month and we've done it for three and a half years that's great i've been in there i was the first ever member so i've been in there for three and a half years well i think you know i mean the most the best exercise the one you like doing but is there one that's like better you know like the
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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A lot of people exercise because they believe it will help them to lose fat, belly fat. One of the biggest debates on the planet. It has been a huge debate. Even on this podcast, I've had multiple people come and say a whole range of things about weight loss and cardio. And I'm kind of, I don't know what to believe anymore.
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Some of the subject matter you talk about in your book, but also outside of your book, is how we used to run in terms of, you know, I was at the foot doctor. What's it called? I don't know what they're called. Podiatrist. That's what I said. Podiatrist. What did I say? But I went to the podiatrist the other day because I got this, what's it called when you're...
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
Speaking about our early experiences, the first word in the sort of subtitle of your book is the word trauma. It's a word that I've, I've talked about a lot on this podcast. And I've, you know, I've had a lot of people here that have opened up about their traumas. How do you define trauma? I know society has defined it in its own way. But how do you define it?
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Interesting. Liberation and by reconnection.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
which is like cutting the strings in a way. Kind of brings me to, there's kind of two ways I want to go with that. But the first question I have about trauma and the puppet master analogy is, do we ever really cut the strings or do we just kind of learn to pull against them when they try and tell us to do something with more force than they're exerting in the opposite direction?
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
On that first step of just acknowledging, just understanding that there is a puppet master there controlling us and exactly which strings that puppet master is pulling in our lives. How does one go about awareness, the process of awareness? Is there, I mean, is it introspection, keeping a diary, therapy? What is it?
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
And I was trying to figure out how many people as a percentage of the population have trauma. But then I read this stat that 60% of adults say that they've had sort of a traumatic early upbringing or whatever or traumatic events from their childhood. But then I thought maybe everybody has trauma.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
From sitting here and speaking to, I don't know, somewhere over a hundred different people that come from all walks of life, but specifically people that are successful in their industries. And you talked about, you know, how an anomalous early upbringing can create sort of abnormality in an adult.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
A lot of the people I sit here are successful because of some kind of abnormality or at least their interpretation of some kind of early event that caused them to have some sort of abnormal belief about themselves that they're not enough. So they become a billionaire or a gold medalist or whatever it might be.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
One of the things that I thought I could predict is I thought I could, if they told me, I thought after doing a hundred episodes, if they told me the traumatic event they'd been through, I could predict the outcome in them. But there's a disconnect there because, you know, I'd sit here with a guest who went through one of your capital T traumas, like domestic violence.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
And one of them might become incredibly angry.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
And one of them might become the most peaceful, loving person I've ever met.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
And that taught me that there's this thing in between the event, which is what you call interpretation.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
And I found that really, I found that as, that kind of makes it really difficult to diagnose. Yeah.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
So one of the consequences of that early upbringing was it materialized itself as sort of addiction and the other got the same psychological reinforcement or the thing missing from power and work and money.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
Is that often the case with pathological liars? They've learned to lie as a way to survive.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
Defense against reality.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
You said something at the start when I gave the example that I have this... I sat with a guest here who went through domestic abuse and they are the calmest person. And then you said, well, maybe they're suppressing it. And in fact... The minute you said that, it reminded me of something they said, which is they said to me on this podcast that they had angry outbursts all the time.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
So sometimes their child will come up to them and want to play when they're working and they'll snap. And they're trying to deal with that.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
You said before, before this book, that awareness is the starting point.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
I found that to be so true in my life, but it's not very easy. I feel like awareness is a luxury or a privilege that is very hard fought because you're guessing. You're guessing based on pattern recognition. So I was guessing 25 years old, I can't get into a relationship. Anytime a girl comes near me, even if I've pursued her, I run off.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
And to figure out why I was doing that, to even identify the behavior pattern and go, that's not helpful. That's not going to lead me to feeling whole. Where does that come from? Took 25 years and a lot of like introspection. But most people, they're living unaware of the puppet master of trauma that is driving their life.
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Moment 210: Dr. Gabor Maté: Your Trauma Is Secretly Controlling You! (Until You Try This)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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You spend time, even today, dealing with patients who are the victim of a narcissistic relationship or the victim of a narcissist.
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Okay. What is narcissism? Because I've heard the word used so often, but I couldn't tell you the definition of it. And I feel like I butcher the definition of what it is.
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Delusions of grandeur. Someone that thinks they're like super important and that they are better than everybody else. Arrogance. And they're cruel.
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How can you tell the difference between someone having a bad day, an asshole, and a narcissist? Because some of those things there, I thought, on a bad day, I might do that.
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You know, the whole collection together, no? But on a bad day when I haven't slept, okay, do you know what? I might blame someone or whatever else. What's the distinction? Okay.
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Can you cure narcissism, in your opinion?
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Most Replayed Moment: How to Know If You're Being Gaslit by a Narcissist And What to Do About It: Dr Ramani Durvasula
Is there any evidence, have you ever seen in your 20 years of working with narcissists and their survivors, any sign of a narcissist becoming a not-narcissist or a non-narcissist?
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I heard this word gaslighting again. It's a word I've heard a lot, but I'm not necessarily really clear on what the definition of gaslighting is. But from reading your work, I hear that narcissists gaslight people a lot. A lot, right. What is gaslighting?
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So how many patients do you think you've seen that have been victims of narcissists?
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Most Replayed Moment: How to Know If You're Being Gaslit by a Narcissist And What to Do About It: Dr Ramani Durvasula
Do you see this a lot?
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Most Replayed Moment: How to Know If You're Being Gaslit by a Narcissist And What to Do About It: Dr Ramani Durvasula
What should you do if you're being gaslit?
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Most Replayed Moment: How to Know If You're Being Gaslit by a Narcissist And What to Do About It: Dr Ramani Durvasula
Further and further.
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Most Replayed Moment: How to Know If You're Being Gaslit by a Narcissist And What to Do About It: Dr Ramani Durvasula
Don't go down that slippery slope.
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Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
In your book, you talk about the mechanisms of neuroplasticity. What are the mechanisms of neuroplasticity and the three factors that have the biggest impact on changes in the brain?
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And so there was three groups.
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The ones that went back and relived their life, the ones that reminisced and the ones that did nothing at all.
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Wow. And that really goes to show the impact of what we think about ourselves and then all of the physiological consequences of that. You talk about this, your eyes as well.
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that you were gonna get, was it like laser eye surgery or something? No, no, it's just like- People told you you needed glasses.
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And what's that doing in the brain? Why is that? Why did that improve your reading?
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I've been thinking a lot, you know, I said, I've got this vlog on YouTube called Behind the Diary. And in two of the episodes, I've caught myself out while I'm filming because I said words that I thought would be unhelpful. I think people, someone in the comments actually challenged me because there's one day when I'm filming Dragon's Den and I'm filming myself.
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I'm just talking about what's going on. And I go, oh, I really need a coffee this morning. And I stop myself and say, I shouldn't say need. And then I go, there's something about this casual use of the word need throughout our lives that is disempowering me. It's making me a slave to the coffee. So I make this point, which I'm sure people think I'm a little bit weird for making that.
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I really need to not say the word need associated to the things because I will then probably develop a psychological and maybe a somewhat of a physical need for that thing.
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and that was your decision, you were powerful there. That's a choice you made. There's an overarching point here about personal responsibility as well. When people talk about, I can't exercise, I don't have any time, it feels like a really disempowering frame versus I've got other priorities, which feels empowering.
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And I think about this all the time, because if you ask someone why they don't exercise, they'll typically blame it on some force the frame makes it seem like there's a force that's controlling their life for them that has not given them the time or that they could not. Whereas really, it's just typically a case of priorities.
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And your child or your job that pays your mortgage can be your priority. But I think it's important. I've always felt it's important to acknowledge the fact that you made the choice to take care of your child or to go to your mortgage paying job versus I didn't, you know, I didn't have any time.
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This is what I think about language so much and the language that I use and how that's dominating my life, even constantly telling myself that I'm unorganized, like messy. So how that's probably making me a messy person. What have we talked about that we probably should have talked about?
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Is there anything at all, any studies or any insights into the brain and how we change habits that are stubborn or anything else at all that you've learned from the ancient wisdom?
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I think I accept that now more than I ever have before because I've had this conversation with you. I think I accept that there's so much untapped potential in me and that I'm not this kind of fully formed, rigid lump of cells. I can change fundamentally. I think a lot of people probably, if they've gotten to this point in the conversation, will also accept that. If you were to close with...
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I guess the step one, like the thing that I should immediately do as I move forward in my life from here, that would help me to start moving towards that person that I want to become. The organized, great partner, successful in his business, great with his podcast, all of those things. What is that first step?
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And you know what's funny is because my brain keeps thinking about the taxi driver that I met on the way here, who said he'd listened to the podcast and he gave me a little bit of a window into his world. So he's driving the cab every day. And I meet a lot of cab drivers that listen to the podcast and we chat. And oftentimes they, sometimes they have dreams of doing other things.
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So they might say to me, you know, I want to start my own business one day. And I'm just looking around. I'm looking for the first couple of steps. But I reflect on what you said and go, they're going to be so hardwired into their patterns and their jobs and their habits and their routines that it's very hard to make that jump.
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Give gratitude for?
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Oh, yeah. Who are you kidding? Okay, so it will accelerate the speed in which you're making those connections.
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Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
So I want to make sure I'm super clear on this. So if I'm trying to develop, if I'm trying to speak a different language, by doing exercise that has an impact on... Oh, it'll help you learn and retain memories, yeah. So in... In simple language, if I'm doing aerobic exercise, my ability to accelerate my neuroplasticity will increase.
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Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
What if it's like not aerobic exercise? What if I'm just lifting big weights?
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Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Okay.
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Thank you so much. You think I'm a weightlifter? You think I identify as a weightlifter? You looked at me and thought weightlifter.
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Thank you so much.
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Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Interesting. So we can tell our brain to grow muscle.
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It'd be much easier if I could just watch the football and tell myself that I'm lifting weights.
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I mean, that speaks to the power of our thoughts again, doesn't it, really? If our thoughts can tell our brain to grow muscles. Has that been... Is that... It's in the book. But is it, like... Is it... Is that widely accepted as the truth? I'm surprised there's not like personal trainers that just sit you down in an empty room and just go, right.
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Interesting. It's obviously not a case that I would just then go home and start imagining working out, but it does, again, remind me of the importance of just thinking about
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Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Okay, so is there anything else that... one needs to know about the process of neuroplasticity. So from what I've ascertained so far, it's about understanding the patterns we have in our brain, understanding the consequences of them. Repetition is key to establishing new pathways. Is there anything else that I need to be really aware of? Because I do want to grow my brain and change my brain.
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What does it do for the brain fasting, intermittent fasting?
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And for neuroplasticity to happen, we need to be taking on big cognitive challenges, challenges that kind of break existing pathways.
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So I want to learn to DJ. I've been learning for about 12 months now. That feels like a big cognitive challenge for me.
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that's the type of thing that would establish a new pathway in my brain.
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Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Someone's just looking to build their self-esteem and their confidence. What does the brain tell us about the process of doing that? Does it go back again to what we said about awareness, about understanding the feelings and the consequences and about setting goals and repetition and accountability?
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Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
Does language really matter? The language we say to ourselves and say to others?
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How do we know that matters?
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So we can trick our brains effectively by saying something else to ourselves repeatedly. Because there's this whole movement in the personal development community which says you just kind of look in the mirror and you say to yourself, like, I'm beautiful, I'm attractive, everyone's going to love me, I'm going to be rich.
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And I've found it hard to get on board with that train.
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That one... Because I know I'm bullshitting myself. You know, in my subconscious or whatever, I just know if I said those things, I'm not saying about myself, but saying those very, very far away things, I just think my brain is smart enough to know that I'm bullshitting myself.
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It's not addressing the underlying issues.
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it's highly associated with just kind of saying stuff or thinking stuff. And it's less associated with actually going out and doing it. So a lot of people just turn off when someone talks about manifestation because it sounds kind of woo-woo, put it on the vision board and it will happen.
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Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
And in fact, I think I've said this a few times, but I had, I wouldn't say it was an argument, but a disagreement, which resulted in the person I was speaking to literally getting out of a taxi in the middle of New York City and walking off. I was on a date many years ago and the girl was saying to me that she goes, you can just manifest anything into your life.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
So you can just think about it and then it will happen. So I said to her, I was like, you think you could just like think about becoming a millionaire and then it will happen? And she goes, yeah. And I go, and you wouldn't even have to like do all the stuff. And she was like, no, you could just like think about it and the universe will attract it into your life. Do you believe in manifestation?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
And if so, what form of manifestation and how is that supported with neuroscience?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
This point about aging generally, longevity and aging, one of the really interesting things you talk about in the book is this idea of sort of psychological priming and psychological priming of aging. And that psychological priming is the effect that the mindset of aging has on our physical body. How our thoughts about aging affect our physical abilities.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
What I interpreted from that is our thoughts about aging have an impact on our aging.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Shared Moment: Neuroscientist Reveals 4 Hacks to Rewire Your Brain For Growth & Success! - Dr Tara Swart
What's an octogenarian?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
With my genetic makeup, how might there be differences in my genetic makeup that make my relationship with food and eating and weight loss different from yours?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
And is that also because ultimately because the brain is controlling our feeding behavior. So the brain knows that we've just been for a run. So it's adding to our appetite a surplus to make us return to that weight it's trying to protect. There's that.
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Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
What about in terms of this obese gene? I read in chapter two of your book that there is a gene for obesity.
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Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
And is that possible to be not just on or off, but slightly defective? So some people can just get... a little bit more hungry than others? Or is it a binary thing where it can be on or off?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
So I'm thinking of some, you know, families often look quite similar in terms of body shape and size, etc., I'm wondering how much control they have against fighting against those genes to get six-pack abs. Not saying that's a sustainable, healthy place to get to, but...
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
Is it significantly harder for certain people if their family is maybe a little bit more larger to fight against that and get to a different state and then stay in that state?
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Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
You referenced age there. Do we get fatter with age? Because generally, I look at, you know, I'd say younger people typically have a slightly leaner physique. And then something seems to happen along the way. Is that just a false observation I have? Or is there some science that supports the gaining of weight as we age? There's science.
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Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
So on that point about the more muscles you have, the higher your metabolism. That means if I've got big muscles, then I'm burning my food faster. Yes. Fantastic news. I'm going to work out later. Lift some weights. Because I was really startled by that. After I read it in your book about... us gaining more and more weight as we age, I googled it.
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Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
And the Healthcare Research and Quality Agency said that we naturally tend to gain weight as we age to the tune of one to two pounds per year, according to their review. And that's from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. which I found quite startling.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
Mate, I don't know how much choice you have. What can I do to try and stay? Because for me, it's not really about the weight thing or how you look. It's more about like, I don't know how to say this. There was this big set of stairs the other day. Really, really long set of stairs leading down to this lake. I was in Indonesia a couple of months ago.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
And I remember thinking about those stairs and thinking, God, if I wasn't, you know, athletic and strong and didn't have good knees and things like that. There's no way I'd be able to get down this long winding hand carved set of Indonesian stairs so that I could go on this boat trip that I was going to go on. And I just thought about how It was a weird thing.
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Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
I know this is kind of a strange story to tell, but it crossed my mind. I got to the bottom of the stairs and I turned to the person I was with and was literally like, you know, that's why I've got to stay in shape for as long as I can, because I want to do these boat trips and I want to go on this little rafting thing.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
But I won't even be able to access it unless I can go down up and down those stairs, like 200 meters of stairs down this cliff. So that's what I care about. I care about being active and strong and fit for as long as I possibly can. And from what you said about gravity and weight, being overweight is going to inhibit my chances of being able to do those stairs.
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Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
Interesting. Okay, so I'll keep doing resistance training.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
That's the naivety of youth. Yeah, you just assume you'll always be able to do what you can do now. Yeah, it's something I think a lot about. And I think a lot of people will watch this podcast because... probably, especially this time of year, we're in January, they'll probably be trying to find ways that they can cut fat. They want to be a bit skinnier.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
You said, I think you said half a stone you want to lose. I'm in the same place. I think most people want to lose a half a stone or something. What is the way that you would suggest to do that? The simple way, you know, not the like complicated, go buy this guy's course and do 3 million sit-ups, whatever. The simple advice you would give someone that's hoping to create sort of sustainable,
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Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
Weight loss.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
Now, there's been a lot said about exercise as a weight loss strategy. A lot of people think, do you know what? I will just run every day and I'll lose weight. In your books, you said the problem with using exercise as a weight loss strategy is that doing exercise makes you feel hungry. You can't outrun a bad diet. Is exercise a good strategy for weight loss?
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Moment 209: The Real Reason You’re Gaining Weight (Even If You’re Exercising!)
That seems to sit in contradiction to what my old personal trainer.
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Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
What is step one?
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Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
So step one then is have the conversation. And step two is to just hold, essentially, hold each other.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
They're not speaking about it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
You used the word should. Should is such a... What did I say? Gross. When you were saying we should be having... Right. How much harm do you think should does? As in, when I say should, I really mean it's a social comparison. It's like an external comparison. I've watched this movie. I spoke to my friend. They're doing it this often. They're doing it like this. So we should...
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Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
be doing it like them. How much harm do you think that does? I've seen it in all my relationships. Guilt, guilt, guilt. Yeah, like the comparison to other people who are just not you, it can do so much harm. And I think in my current relationship, we've basically banned comparison. So we've banned each other speaking about our unmet needs through the lens of other people or our past relationships.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
And I think it really helps.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
Why? Why no pressure?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
I guess the starting point then, as you said, is the communication part, right? Because you can't even get to that point if you're in a situation. I've been in that situation once in my sexual history where it was so awkward that the awkwardness just compounds where you're not even speaking about something. And so you're getting in bed. It's a hot potato.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
Laying in silence and, oh, my God, he's thinking about it and I'm thinking about it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
She's thinking about it and I hope he doesn't laugh and I'll pretend to sleep and all of that stuff. I've been there.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
And really what broke it was the two things you said. The first thing was you've got to talk about it. And the second thing was removing the pressure. Right. And the blame. Yeah. And the judgment. Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
And if you can get there, and I think much of the reason why people don't want to talk about it sometimes is because they might have a little bit of a risk that if they're honest about how they're feeling, then the other person might leave, or they might be mad, or they might not hang around long enough for you to fix it together. And also, you don't know how to fix it.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
So it's difficult sometimes in life to say, I've got a problem, but I have no idea what the solution is. You know?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
What's that?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
Is that your bum?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
Okay.
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Most Played Moment: How To ALWAYS Have Great Sex: The Orgasm Queen, Susan Bratton
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Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
Looking at my phone.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
But I'm busy.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
But I'm busy.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
Just because someone was on their phone.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
So the amount of effort I put into my businesses and to the podcast and to every little detail, the creativity, the thought, the brainstorming, all of that, relationships, we kind of all just think they just happen. And if it doesn't happen perfectly, then it's broken and I need to find a new one.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
Ambiguous loss? Yeah. No. No.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
Our relationships, you know, I think we all, certainly I think I have for much of my life, And I say that because I look at my actions. So what I might say is different to how I think I've behaved over the last 10, 15 years. We see them as kind of an afterthought to everything else in many regards.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
So many busy couples can feel the spark in their relationship waning away slowly, but work isn't necessarily the first place you look. Like pulling out the phone at dinner isn't necessarily the place people look because that seems so small. So they aim at bigger things. They'll say, I don't know, something bigger.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
But do you believe, are you saying that you believe a lot of it, much of it often starts with those small moments of disconnection where the person basically ends up becoming the sofa?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
Bids for connection. Bids.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
Do you know what my partner said to me something about a year ago? And we stayed with me because I thought that's such a strange thing to say. She said to me when we were in conflict resolution, so we were talking about things. She said, you know, when I send you things on Instagram, in Instagram DMs, like I'll be out here now in New York.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
So if she sees something interesting on Instagram, she sends it to me. She goes, you've stopped acknowledging it. I used to just like double tap on it or make a comment back. She goes, you've stopped. You stopped acknowledging it. And I thought, why does that matter? Why does it, like, you send me something, I watch the funny video, I crack on with my day.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
Yeah.
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Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
Yeah.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Notable Moment: Love Expert Reveals Why 80% Of Modern Relationships Fail
Well, it's even worse because it says seen on Instagram. So it says that I've seen it.
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
Do you drink that stuff? Of course not. Just checking. Is there any other physiological consequences to diet sodas outside of the insulin response?
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
Inuits are the people that live in the North Poles and stuff.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
So what advice do we give that is simple and actionable for Jennifer or Judith or Dave who's listening to this now? They are, you know, 40 years old potentially. They have a nine to five job. They're very busy. Maybe they have some kids to feed at the same time. They don't have time to be like, you know, looking at doing a fine...
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
Yeah, yeah. Yeah?
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
Which is sort of one of the two parts of the grain of sugar that I see. That's right. One part of it is fructose. That's right. It's the other half. Right. It's the evil twin, if you will. What are the two halves again? Glucose. Yeah. Fructose. Cool. Found together. I need glucose to live. My body will figure that out. Fructose. Do I need this?
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
Are we above that?
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
And also, just because grams are quite hard to wrap the head around, right?
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
So if I was to get a tablespoon... Well, do teaspoons. A teaspoon. Two spoons. How many teaspoons of sugar would I have to consume to get to that level of fructose? Because I say this in part because most of us don't realize that we're consuming sugar. That's right.
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
Sounds like a bit of a scandal. When I hear that these kids are getting, almost 30% of kids are getting, you know, almost three to four times their recommended daily allowance of sugar from school. and that it's having these sort of really adverse consequences on us, and the studies are there to prove that the consequences are very real.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
It sounds like a scandal in the sense that nobody's doing something about it.
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
The stuff I've got over here?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
And when we look across society at the consequences of this sort of corporate interference, some of the crazy stats in your book, Fat Chance, that I really sort of highlighted were that by 2050, obesity will become the norm, not the exception. Correct. The World Health Organization said that the percentage of obese people globally has doubled in the last 28 years.
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
And in the UK, 28% of adults are obese and 36% of them are obese. That's not from your book, but that's from some research we did on the UK numbers as well. Well, you know, the UK is the fat man of Europe. Yes, that's true. Having metabolic syndrome is equal to losing 15 to 20 years of life. That was in your book. That's correct. Which is startling.
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
And worldwide sugar consumption has tripled in just the last 50 years.
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Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
In your book, Fat Chance, on page 120, there was something particularly curious because I think this is a... Yeah, here we go. It says, the bottom line is sugar consumption is a problem. 33% of sugar consumption comes from beverages. Yes. And the biggest abusers are the poor and underserved. Indeed. So let's talk about beverages to start with then. Mm-hmm. Diet beverages, are they fine?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
And how bad are the sort of fizzy pop beverages that most of us consume every day?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
And diabetes is now the main cause of death in 40% of death certificates. Exactly right.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Moment 212: The Dangerous Truth Behind “Sugar Free”!
And why does that harm me, having an insulin response?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
How do I fix my discipline if I'm an ill-disciplined person?
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
People struggle even with the small things, right? It's funny because I watched a video last night about a lady that went to YouTube and started her journey of weight loss and whatever. And I think she was 400 pounds or something. And she was trying to get down. And in the video, some people will know who I'm referring to, over the space of a year or two years, she actually just gains weight.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
So she gets to, I think, 500 pounds or something. And as I was watching it, you're watching someone who's saying, I want to change my life. But then it's coming on every day and saying, I've just gained three pounds. I've just gained another three pounds. And there's almost this,
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
this visible dissonance that you're observing between this person saying they want to change their life, but clearly the actions that they're then taking are different to that. And many people can relate to that feeling of, I want to be this person. I mean, we're coming up to like... For anyone that doesn't know, we're recording this in December. So New Year's resolutions are around the corner.
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
Everyone's going to say to themselves who they want to become. But it's easier said than done. I think, what, 7%, 8%, 9% of New Year's resolutions will stick?
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
So... Is it just a case of starting small or is there any other tricks to discipline that you can offer?
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
No, I was thinking of two scenarios. The scenario one is I go home tonight, right? Because I go to sleep, I get to bed early. And there's this other thing I'm thinking about doing after this, which is going to the gym. And I'm like, I was just, as you're saying that, I was thinking both help future me. So I was like, which one is discipline?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
There's an interesting part of this like habit equation, you could say, or like discipline equation, which is the why part. Which is like, why does this matter to you?
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
And is it important to get really clear on why this thing matters to you, whether it's the gym or... Because when I was playing around with this discipline equation idea for my last book, and the kind of conclusion I landed at was that to be disciplined, you have to understand... the reason why something matters to you. You can say that in other words.
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
Plus the psychological reinforcement you get from the pursuit of the thing, minus the, you could say, the psychological or perceived cost of the pursuit of the thing. So in the context of brushing your teeth, I think I know why it matters, right? Because if I don't, then I have to go to the dentist, my teeth fall out, I look ugly, whatever it might be. Is it rewarding and fun to do? No, not really.
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
and minus the cost of the pursuit it takes two minutes it's not that bad but when that nets out the y is stronger thankfully on net than the cost so the behavior happens yeah but the key part of this equation here is the y part like it's not the key part but it's a central part is the y part why does the thing matter to you yeah and and how much y like how big is the y yeah because if
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
I like it. A lot. Because I've been saying it, I wrote about this in my book, the whole idea is Y plus, like, you could say reinforcement, minus, you could say cost, just to simplify it.
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
But is there anything missing from this equation? Do you think? Is there anything... I said it to Simon Sinek and he went, let's try it out. And he talked to me about taking his bin out in the morning, like taking the bin out for the bin men. And it kind of holds up because he's... So the why is if I don't take the bin out, then I'm going to get fined and my bin isn't going to overflow.
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
Pretty strong motivator. The reinforcement, there's no reinforcement. Getting out of bed at 7 a.m. to take your bin out, it's not nice. The cost is also significant, getting out of bed. But the why still... So it's Y plus... You could say like Y plus the psychological reinforcement from the pursuit of doing it. So DJing. Really fun for me.
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
Repetition, which is just repeating the same thing.
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Highlight: How To Actually Become Disciplined WITHOUT Willpower… The Leading Behaviour Expert
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
Yeah.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
Which one is healthy? Sorry.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
So the person that's hammered is going to be... Yeah.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
Okay.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
The inside corner?
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
So next to your nose? Mm-hmm. Okay.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
Have you ever asked someone to show you their feet?
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
And if I look at my feet now, I just want to take a quick look because I can't remember really looking at the bottom of my feet. What is a sign that my liver is not healthy looking at the bottom of my feet?
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
Oh, no, mine is soft like a baby's bottom.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
No, because people will sell pictures.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
Not really.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
So how do I know if my liver is healthy? Is there any symptoms of an unhealthy or toxic liver?
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
So if it's white, what do I do? If it's black, what do I do?
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
How do they know?
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
Mm-hmm.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
No.
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Top Moment: 5 Warning Signs Your Body Needs More Nutrients: Mindy Pelz
Okay.
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So on the nails then, what am I looking for? There's no ridges in my nails.
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And what kind of minerals would you then supplement with or focus on?
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That's fine.
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I'd rather know the truth.
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Sounds expensive.
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But if I fast, I'm still not getting the minerals.
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No, that's so interesting. I didn't know those were even a thing.
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And when you say minerals, what exactly are you referring to?
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Okay. And it's expensive, so can I just supplement it?
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Because that's cheaper.
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Okay, so more ketones, the better, right?
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Okay, interesting.
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