The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
EMERGENCY DEBATE: They Lied About The Economy Recovering! Is A Financial Apocalypse Coming?
Thu, 20 Mar 2025
Is the economy on the brink of collapse? Gary Stevenson and Daniel Priestley break down the emergency financial crisis no one is talking about The Diary Of A CEO’s economics debate is joined by 2 experts: Gary Stevenson and Daniel Priestley. Gary Stevenson is a British economist, former financial trader, and author of The Trading Game. Daniel Priestly is an award-winning serial entrepreneur who has written 5 books on starting and scaling businesses. In this conversation, Gary, Daniel, and Steven discuss topics such as, whether there is a financial apocalypse looming, if both the US and the UK are running out of money, how the next financial crash could be worse than 2008, and why millionaires are fleeing the UK. 00:00 Intro 02:10 Who Is Gary Stevenson? 07:30 Who Is Daniel Priestly? 10:04 The Importance of Economic Freedom 11:56 Who Are We Blaming for the Economic Situation? 13:32 The UK & US Debt We're Carrying From COVID 17:44 Is There Financial Security for Most of Us in 2025? 26:13 What Does Gary Think of Daniel's Views? 28:58 The Current Homeownership Situation 34:21 US vs UK Market With Building Technology 36:38 Taxing Billionaires 41:03 Do You Tax Their Value or the Countries Where They Trade? 45:36 Why Are Millionaires Leaving the UK? 48:49 Stopping Profit Shifting of Companies 52:40 How $10M+ Companies Avoid Taxes 58:01 Where Is the Biggest Amount of Money Going? 01:00:06 How to Bring Big Tech Companies and Entrepreneurs to the UK 01:04:45 Are Tax Evasions Causing Issues With NHS, Education, and Higher Crime? 01:10:31 Why Poor People Are Struggling to Build Wealth 01:19:49 Ads 01:20:53 How to Create Wealth in the Economy 01:37:17 Monopolies 01:40:18 Advice to Younger People 01:45:02 What to Do as a Young Person 01:47:12 Take Action: Play the Cards You Are Dealt 01:51:45 Do We Have Personal Responsibility to Change This? 01:54:05 Is the Current Education System Failing Us? 02:00:56 Inheritance Taxes 02:04:50 Ads 02:10:05 America's Approach to Building Wealth Research Document: https://stevenbartlett.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DOAC-debate-Gary-Daniel-Independent-research.pdf Follow Gary: YouTube - https://g2ul0.app.link/xdrUsPgERRb Instagram - https://g2ul0.app.link/OoThWmfERRb Follow Daniel: X - https://g2ul0.app.link/3ui4EJjERRb Instagram - https://g2ul0.app.link/Wa2RfsaHRRb Website - https://g2ul0.app.link/jUbxNu8GRRb Watch the episodes on Youtube - https://g2ul0.app.link/DOACEpisodes My new book! 'The 33 Laws Of Business & Life' is out now - https://g2ul0.app.link/DOACBook You can purchase the The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards: Second Edition, here: https://g2ul0.app.link/f31dsUttKKb Follow me: https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Sponsors: Fiverr - https://fiverr.com/diary with code DIARY for 10% off your first order WHOOP - https://JOIN.WHOOP.COM/CEO Perfect Ted - https://www.perfectted.com with code DIARY40 for 40% off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who are the guests on this episode and what are their backgrounds?
I'm sick of multi-millionaires telling kids who can't afford to turn the heating on, you just need to be more entrepreneurial. It's sick, Dan.
It's sick. Well, your video where you talk about if you don't have a rich dad, you're screwed. Well, to me, if I had come across your content at 19, 20 years old, I would have been screwed.
My friends can't feed their kids, okay? If it was that easy, why is everybody not doing it?
I'll tell you why people aren't doing it.
It's because... You're not going to say one thing back on that.
Today's debate is fiery to say the least, but important nonetheless, as I sat down with two leading experts in wealth and entrepreneurship and the economy to discuss the state of the US, the state of the UK and the Western world.
Do you think the reason the average British American are getting poorer is because they don't know how to create wealth?
No, the reason people are getting poorer is because of big governments, record levels of taxes, an outdated schooling system, technology and remote working. You sure about that? How do you disagree with those opinions?
Living standards are falling because of growing wealth inequality. If you allow the rich to get richer, they squeeze the middle class and the poor class out of things like housing. Let's cut tax on people who are working hard and let's raise tax on the richest and most powerful people in the world.
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Chapter 2: Is wealth inequality the root cause of economic issues?
Oh, police spending is definitely slashed. Do you think education spending has been slashed? Do you know where it ends up? It ends up with like big corporates, big consulting, who get paid $50 million to produce a report to tell government something. All of these big, I won't name names, but all the big consulting firms, they're all bloodsuckers to government.
They know that the money's in the government. And they set up business models to extract that money from government. And it also is in the financial trading side of things. One of the issues that we've got, right, and this is a big issue as well because you care about wealth inequality.
One of the biggest issues I see is that during the pandemic we all learnt to work remotely and remote work became the norm. And what I see at the moment is huge amounts of what would have been normal British jobs are going to the Philippines, going to India, going to Vietnam, people who work remotely now. We now have 1,000 millionaires a month leaving to go to Dubai.
We have 120,000 British people living in Dubai in that economy. The world's become incredibly mobile. And one of the things that's happening is that what would have previously been good British jobs... are getting moved overseas to lower cost countries. And that's technology that drives that wedge.
The US is very smart in that they've built a technology powerhouse and the UK has completely lost our technology industry. Our tech industry is in decline, same across Europe. China and the US know that the game is tech and they're basically pulling all the tech company into their borders.
And what's happening a lot is the erosion of good jobs and the erosion of just normal, well-paying jobs because they're going. And it's a bit of a self-fulfilling loop that the more we lose millionaires, the tax burden falls on everyone else so they put the taxes up and then the millionaires say, oh, the taxes are too high so they leave.
I've watched some of the most incredible entrepreneurs that you would want here that would employ your sister at a high rate And they've picked up and left because the taxes are too high.
So are you saying we should tax working people less?
Well, the overall government has to be smaller. You can't... So what do you want to cut in the government? If you... Yeah, well, I mean, you'd have to... Child services? We'd have to... Police? Education? NHS? All I know is this. Pensions? You go to Switzerland, they spend 25%. Disabled benefits? What do you want to cut? Hold up. All I know is in Switzerland, the government is 25%.
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Chapter 3: How does economic freedom influence wealth creation?
100%.
100%, 100%. Because you know, and I'm sure you know, if you're average British or American, if you don't do that, you're not going to be able to turn the heating on. You have to do it. You have to do it. And I've never once, and I think my opinions are often mischaracterised as being anti-ambition. You've read my book. Do you think I'm anti-ambition? No.
I work my tits off to make money, and I want every single young person in this country to be able to make money if they want to, if that's what they want to work towards. But we've created a society where it's almost impossible for young... Listen, I've been there. I've been at LSE. I've been at Oxford. I've been in the city. I've been in the media. I've been in politics.
All of the guys at the top are a bunch of rich idiots. We are not allowing these smart kids from ordinary backgrounds to get into those spaces. Why do we pretend we're not doing that?
I disagree with that. You're talking about two types of elite spaces, elite space of elite universities and you're talking about the elite space of derivatives trading. There's the real economy where entrepreneurs do their work. Then there's the first derivative, which is the banking system. And then there's the second derivative, which is rates traders like yourself, right?
These are places that... Normal people don't want to end up. Most normal people who grow up in normal households don't wake up one day and say, I want to be a rates trader on a double derivative of the economy making bets. Most people want to start a business that employs people and they want to grow that business and be successful.
Do you think that starting a business... is a realistic high success probability chance of ordinary poor people becoming rich.
I know that economies thrive when entrepreneurs are active and it's not just the entrepreneurs, they create opportunity.
Is that a thing that our viewers can do and most of them will end up rich?
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