The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Dr. Joe Dispenza: Secret To Living Without Fear & Anxiety Forever! Your Mind Can Heal Itself! Stress Is The Root Of 90% Of All Diseases!
Thu, 13 Mar 2025
What if 95% of your life is controlled by your subconscious mind? Dr Joe Dispenza reveals how to break free and reprogram your mind for success Dr Joe Dispenza is a researcher, lecturer, and corporate consultant who has developed a practical formula to help people transform their lives. He is also the best-selling author of books such as, ‘Becoming Supernatural: How Common People Are Doing the Uncommon’ and ‘You Are the Placebo: Making Your Mind Matter’. In this conversation, Dr Joe and Steven discuss topics such as, the link between stress and disease, Joe’s 3-step process to reprogram your mind, the dangers of a negative thinking addiction cycle, and how childhood trauma can hold you back in love. 00:00 Intro 02:21 What Do You Do? 07:07 Why Do People Come to You? 09:02 What Stops Us From Changing? 12:09 Don't Process the Past 16:34 What Are We Getting Wrong About Trauma in Modern Society? 21:59 Step 1: Insight, Awareness & Consciousness 22:47 How to Increase Your Awareness 25:30 The Meditation Process 29:48 How Meditation Takes You Out of Difficult Situations 35:19 Why Can't Some People Change? 40:36 Is the Identity We've Created Helping or Hurting Us? 44:28 You Need to Be Specific With Your Goals 47:27 Crazy Stories of War Veterans' Transformations 51:34 The Importance of Forgiveness 54:21 Should We Forgive Anyone No Matter What? 55:32 The Link Between Negative Feelings and Sickness 1:01:36 Ads 1:03:45 Is Routine Necessary in Our Lives? 1:04:51 The Brain and Heart Connection 1:06:45 Psychedelics and Medication 1:14:27 Advanced Meditators vs. Normal Meditators 1:22:31 The People Who Attend Your Retreats Are Changed Forever 1:26:00 Ads 1:34:17 What Is the Quantum? 1:40:33 The Overcoming Process 1:46:14 Joe's Religious Beliefs Follow Dr Joe: Instagram - https://g2ul0.app.link/PPP0kyubGRb Twitter - https://g2ul0.app.link/zhwtfrwbGRb Website - https://g2ul0.app.link/7WNr8CzbGRb YouTube - https://g2ul0.app.link/5oqnE1sbGRb You can watch Dr Joe’s documentary ‘SOURCE It’s Within You’, here: https://g2ul0.app.link/eBIUHNqpGRb Watch the episodes on Youtube - https://g2ul0.app.link/DOACEpisodes My new book! 'The 33 Laws Of Business & Life' is out now - https://g2ul0.app.link/DOACBook You can purchase the The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards: Second Edition, here: https://g2ul0.app.link/f31dsUttKKb Follow me: https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Independent research https://joedizpensa.tiiny.co/ Sponsors: Bon Charge - http://boncharge.com/diary?rfsn=8189247.228c0cb with code DIARY for 25% off Vivobarefoot - https://vivobarefoot.com/DOAC with code DOAC20 for 20% off WHOOP - https://JOIN.WHOOP.COM/CEO Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the main cause of diseases in modern society?
75 to 90% of every person that walks into a healthcare facility in the Western world walks in because of emotional or psychological stress. We also know that people become addicted to the stress hormones, to those emotions, and then they need the bad job, they need the bad relationship, they need the traffic, they need the news, just so that they can stay in that emotional state.
But now you're headed for disease. Because no organism can live in emergency mode for that extended period of time. But I literally can give people the tools to be able to break those emotional addictions. And our data shows it works better than any drug. Dr. Joe Dispenza is a world-leading voice on the power of the mind.
Whose groundbreaking research has unlocked a practical formula to empower millions of people.
To rewire their minds and create long-lasting change. If I'm looking to change my life because it's in this horrible cycle of the same old, same old, and I feel about myself, what do I need to know?
I think that the first thing is you can't tell me that your past was so brutal that you can't change. Because we have seen people with some really, really horrible pasts, abuses, difficult childhoods, and some very serious traumas. We have seen them change that belief and become completely different people. But also, the research shows that 50% of the story we tell in our past isn't even the truth.
That means that people are reliving a miserable life they never even had just to excuse themselves from changing. Or they wait for something to go wrong in their life. And that's when they go, OK, I'm ready to change. Why wait for that? You know, we can learn and change in the state of pain and suffering. We can learn and change in the state of joy and inspiration.
And so I want to provide people the information on how to make new connections in their brain and be able to think, act, and feel differently in your same environment. So let's break it down.
I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button, wherever you're listening to this. I would like to make a deal with you.
If you could do me a huge favor and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. Thank you so much for your time. How do you define, when someone asks you, what it is you do?
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Chapter 2: How can we break emotional addictions?
Chapter 3: What is the 3-step process for personal change?
And if we're able to demystify it, I think all of the measurements of the transformation that we're seeing is more information for me to teach transformation better. And I think that's how we close the gap between knowledge and experience. So we have a huge research team. We work with UC San Diego. We work with other universities like Harvard, Stanford.
And the data is so compelling and the data is so amazing that I think we're making scientific history right now.
Hundreds of millions of people have been drawn to you for their own reasons. My partner is one of them. My girlfriend, she has attended your events. She's one of your biggest fans in the world and she's experienced her own transformation as a product of attending your events. But also last conversation.
If I look at the top comments, it's just a string of testimonials from people who have been engaged with your work for decades, who have had personal transformation in their life and their family. What is the essence of why people come to you? Like, if you think about the hundreds of millions of people that have interacted with your work, what do they have in common?
What is it they're looking for? People come for all kinds of reasons. The baseline is that they understand on some level that meditation can change their body and change their life. Some people understand that they could have mystical experiences without using any exogenous substances. So we have people that come that want to heal their body, that want to have...
a new job or a new career or become abundant, people that want to have loving relationships and people want to have mystical experiences, whatever that is, right? But the person is coming with the intention of actually creating exactly what they want. So that's what they think they're there for. But in time, what they're really coming for is to change.
And even the people who heal from all kinds of health conditions, what I learned in the last couple of years is they're not doing their meditations to heal. They're doing their meditations to change. And when they change, they heal. And so what they begin to crave is, is the next unknown experience, you know, that experience that exists really beyond three-dimensional reality.
But I would say that the majority of people come for a particular reason, and after a period of time, they just want to get more whole. And I don't think there's an end to that.
Is there a bug in our minds or in our society or within culture that stands in the way of our ability to change? And I think as I asked that question, what I'm really trying to get at is there's a culture that's emerged almost like a bit of a trauma culture where we kind of explain who we are based on what's happened to us. And it seems to be justified.
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Chapter 4: Why is trauma processing in modern therapy ineffective?
Chapter 5: How does meditation influence transformation?
What is it they're looking for? People come for all kinds of reasons. The baseline is that they understand on some level that meditation can change their body and change their life. Some people understand that they could have mystical experiences without using any exogenous substances. So we have people that come that want to heal their body, that want to have...
a new job or a new career or become abundant, people that want to have loving relationships and people want to have mystical experiences, whatever that is, right? But the person is coming with the intention of actually creating exactly what they want. So that's what they think they're there for. But in time, what they're really coming for is to change.
And even the people who heal from all kinds of health conditions, what I learned in the last couple of years is they're not doing their meditations to heal. They're doing their meditations to change. And when they change, they heal. And so what they begin to crave is, is the next unknown experience, you know, that experience that exists really beyond three-dimensional reality.
But I would say that the majority of people come for a particular reason, and after a period of time, they just want to get more whole. And I don't think there's an end to that.
Is there a bug in our minds or in our society or within culture that stands in the way of our ability to change? And I think as I asked that question, what I'm really trying to get at is there's a culture that's emerged almost like a bit of a trauma culture where we kind of explain who we are based on what's happened to us. And it seems to be justified.
This thing happened when I was a kid and that's why I am this way. Is that approach to viewing our trauma productive or unproductive? And is it a problem?
The stronger the emotion we feel from some event in our life, a trauma, a betrayal, a loss, a shock, a diagnosis, the event produces an emotional response and the high quotient of the emotional response changes our internal state.
And the moment we feel altered inside of us, the brain takes a snapshot, freezes a frame or a series of frames and takes snapshots, and that's called a long-term memory. So then, from a biological perspective, every time the person remembers the problem, they're producing the exact same chemistry in their brain and body as if the event was happening.
Cortisol, the adrenaline, whatever the emotion is. When they feel that emotion, we could say then that the body is reliving the event emotionally 50 to 100 times in a day. So the trauma is no longer in the brain at that point. Now the trauma is also in the body because thoughts are the language of the brain. And feelings are the language of the body.
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Chapter 6: What role does forgiveness play in healing?
No, I wouldn't say they're not optimal. I mean, I'm sure there's value for people. All I'm saying is that when does the story end? And I'm not certain that insight changes behavior. You could have a realization. Even from an exogenous drug, you can have a realization or an insight. But if you still can't function in your life and you're still...
or you haven't connected with your wife, or you're still dealing with trauma, it hasn't served you at all. So the insight that your father was overbearing, or your mother was a perfectionist, or you were beaten as a kid, and that's why you're this way, it doesn't change the behavior.
Let me give an example then from my life, because this will make it really specific. So when I was young, something I've talked about on the show, but it's just an example that allows me to think through your approach, My mum and dad argued a lot, and I would watch my mother in particular spend a lot of time shouting at my dad. My dad didn't really respond. He was very passive.
And it made me feel a certain way as a young child, which meant that when I grew up, I just wanted to avoid women at all costs in terms of romantic commitment. Because I was almost reliving the emotion of imprisonment that I observed in my father.
So I felt like when a girl was interested in me throughout all of my teen years, throughout my early 20s, even if I was interested in her, the minute we came to commitment, I'd get that feeling like I was signing up for prison and I would reject her. Now, I got an insight into this by writing in my diary, actually from doing this podcast, because I used to do it on my own, just solo episodes.
And I could see a pattern. I could see that someone asks me to commit. I get this weird feeling. I reject them. And then I asked myself, where did that weird feeling come from in your past? And I remembered, oh, that's how I felt watching my father and my mum when she would just scream at him for long periods of time. I had the insight, but...
which was somewhat useful, but you're right in that it didn't necessarily stop the feeling.
But what you did really well is in order for us to change, we have to become so conscious of... of those unconscious beliefs. And what's a belief? A thought you just keep thinking over and over again, or how you've been programmed, right? It's a belief. We have to become so aware of our automatic habits and behaviors. And we have to pay attention to our emotional states if we're going to change.
And staying conscious of our unconscious self is really the work that it takes to really overcome so you can become another person. That's 95% of a person by the middle of their life, their hardwired attitudes, beliefs, and perceptions, automatic habits and behaviors and unconscious emotional responses. 95% of us is programmed. So as a child, your brainwaves are very slow.
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Chapter 7: How can we achieve emotional balance in life?
I've seen thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of testimonials of people saying, Joe Dispenza changed my life. I mean, I've got one at home, right? I've got a testimonial that I live with. I'm sorry.
No, honestly, I love it because she's so, she's probably back there somewhere, but she's so passionate and inquisitive and curious that I almost vicariously am benefiting from the work and research she's doing. And she's bringing things into our relationship in life that are making it more
rich and full and i have a certain perspective which i wouldn't naturally go into that world and even with breathwork and the other things that she's brought into our relationship i wouldn't have naturally gone there so it's super useful but there must be instances where you've met someone and you've tried to help them and you've been unsuccessful of course and why don't those people change because i'm assuming that you think most people can change they have the propensity to change
Why does it not work sometimes?
A scientist asked me this, you know, we talk about this all the time. Sometimes being in such severe lack of, and desperation, desperation, you know, creates a state where you can't hear anything because you're, you don't, you, no new information, right? can enter the nervous system that is not equal to the emotion the person is experiencing.
Just as a broad understanding, this is why we don't do questions at our events, because you can give the person the answer to the question that they're asking you and they will not hear you. They will not hear you. In fact, they will argue against you. But if you get that person out of that emotional state, and the only person that's gonna do that is them, by the way,
get that person out of their emotional state, they can hear that information. So sometimes we're programmed into such lack, we're programmed, right? To wait for something out there to change, to take away this emptiness or lack, you know, when this happens, I'll feel this, you know? And so when things are good in our life, we feel good. And when things aren't so good in our life, we feel bad.
So we're kind of victimized to the circumstances in our life. Our outer world is controlling our inner world of thoughts and feelings. So if a person has been programmed into saying, why haven't I healed? Or why hasn't this happened in my life? Because the person who's saying, why haven't I healed, is the old self. The new self would never say that, right?
The new self is too busy overcoming and becoming, right? So I think people meet information at their own level. But what I can tell you that is so compelling and so exciting is, is that when we get people on the stage, and it happens every event, it's really quite unbelievable to see a person stand on the stage in front of 2,300 people. You would walk right past her in the grocery store.
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Chapter 8: What is the significance of identity in personal growth?
So when a person moves into theta, and I ask them to open their awareness, If they're in a certain range of theta, we can just about predict 100% of the time that that person is going to connect to information. Now, not information coming from their senses, like a hypnotist could put you in a trance in theta and give you suggestions and could program you. But you're still in the same state.
that hypnotic state, but your eyes are closed. There's music playing in the background. You're not eating, you're not tasting, you're not smelling, you're not feeling with your body, but you're still suggestible to information. There's only one other place you can find information and that's frequency. and frequency carries information.
So when a person starts to connect to energy, to frequency, and the thinking neocortex is dialed down, the moment they connect to that energy and frequency, the brain goes into these very, very high states of gamma brainwave patterns. They're connecting to a greater level of energy, a greater level of order, and the arousal that's felt when they have this connection
which is normally typically fear or anger or pain, the arousal is ecstasy. The arousal is bliss. They say, I don't have the words to describe the feeling that I just had, right? So they're dipping closer to source. They're dipping closer to a greater energy and frequency, and it's being reflected in their biology. When we see people move into these elegant states of high gamma,
It's primarily in their autonomic nervous system. It's very fast and it's very coherent. Now, if stress is autonomic dysregulation and they're functioning in a very, very high energetic state in their autonomic nervous system, coherent gamma brainwaves, then there's an enormous amount of autonomic regulation. And the autonomic nervous system controls and coordinates all other systems.
Now watch out because now the tuning fork is sending information to every cell and tissue and organ in the body. And when people move into these states, many times when they come back, they get a biological upgrade. Somehow energy starts to inform matter and the whole body is lifted by light, by lifted by frequency. When we draw the blood, from people who have these kind of moments.
We look for information in the blood. There's information in the blood that we've discovered that stops the COVID virus from entering the cell. We've isolated the protein that inhibits the virus from entering the cell. In other words, we've done the studies called adoptive transfers.
We've taken advanced meditators' blood and we've put it in a culture with ACE2 receptors, cells that have ACE2 receptors, and then exposed the ACE2 receptor to a pseudovirus, like a COVID virus. And in advanced meditators, we noticed that the virus couldn't enter the cell.
It was stuck to the outside of the cell, and we isolated a protein in the advanced meditator's blood that inhibits the virus from entering the cell. Those people that have those transcendental moments As I said, 84% of them, 84% of them have information in their blood that causes the mitochondrial function and glycolytic function in cancer cells to shut off.
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