Jase Robertson
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And I was like, I mean, drum roll, because I thought, what does this have to do with anything? I said, what is your last name? Guess what his last name was?
And I was like, I mean, drum roll, because I thought, what does this have to do with anything? I said, what is your last name? Guess what his last name was?
bible i said your last name is bible for real he said yes sir i said well let me tell you this i feel way better about this country that we got a guy who loves jesus whose last name is bible who's protecting our coast i said america he's like america Was his first name Reed? He never told me his first name, but you know what?
bible i said your last name is bible for real he said yes sir i said well let me tell you this i feel way better about this country that we got a guy who loves jesus whose last name is bible who's protecting our coast i said america he's like america Was his first name Reed? He never told me his first name, but you know what?
I got to thinking about that because Missy asked me the same question, and I told her what I'm going to tell you. I said, if your last name is Bible and you love Jesus, your first name is irrelevant. What would my dad call him for the rest of his days? Old Bible. Old Bible man. Come in here and give us some words of wisdom. Old Bible man. Have you ever heard of a person named Bible? I have not.
I got to thinking about that because Missy asked me the same question, and I told her what I'm going to tell you. I said, if your last name is Bible and you love Jesus, your first name is irrelevant. What would my dad call him for the rest of his days? Old Bible. Old Bible man. Come in here and give us some words of wisdom. Old Bible man. Have you ever heard of a person named Bible? I have not.
We're formulating a top 10 names that Jace has met. So now we have two. One, remember one, W-O-N, and now we have Bible, which Bible's going to be hard to top. Yeah, we'll have to keep playing. I was like, we'll have to keep playing.
We're formulating a top 10 names that Jace has met. So now we have two. One, remember one, W-O-N, and now we have Bible, which Bible's going to be hard to top. Yeah, we'll have to keep playing. I was like, we'll have to keep playing.
Yeah, we need to look it up, Al.
Yeah, we need to look it up, Al.
Hey, look, and don't you feel safer?
Hey, look, and don't you feel safer?
We got a Bible man on the coast for protection. I love it. And he's from where, Texas? He's from Texas, but he's stationed in Virginia. I thought that was just fascinating. That didn't seem to get as fired up as me. That's a good name. That's a good, strong name. Can you imagine a person being named Bible who is not a believer? That's what I thought.
We got a Bible man on the coast for protection. I love it. And he's from where, Texas? He's from Texas, but he's stationed in Virginia. I thought that was just fascinating. That didn't seem to get as fired up as me. That's a good name. That's a good, strong name. Can you imagine a person being named Bible who is not a believer? That's what I thought.
It looks like a gimmick. I mean, it's one of them things you see late at night when you should be sleeping. But you're just like. Like an infomercial. Well, they only run those commercials late at night for a reason. Because you're not in your right frame of mind. Not in your right frame of mind.
It looks like a gimmick. I mean, it's one of them things you see late at night when you should be sleeping. But you're just like. Like an infomercial. Well, they only run those commercials late at night for a reason. Because you're not in your right frame of mind. Not in your right frame of mind.
This is a big moment for Unashamed today. We're actually moving on to John chapter 7.
This is a big moment for Unashamed today. We're actually moving on to John chapter 7.
I think this is the only gospel that brings up his brothers. Well, right.
I think this is the only gospel that brings up his brothers. Well, right.
I mean, it wasn't a good... Well, it is if you look at it from a transformational viewpoint. Because, I mean, this has nothing to do with the text, but I have used this argument before. When you fast forward to Acts 1, which I think this is a good time to do this. That's an excellent time.
I mean, it wasn't a good... Well, it is if you look at it from a transformational viewpoint. Because, I mean, this has nothing to do with the text, but I have used this argument before. When you fast forward to Acts 1, which I think this is a good time to do this. That's an excellent time.
Yeah, Acts 1, which is really depressing because it says all the believers were gathered together among the believers in those days. This is Acts 1, 15. In those days, now we're post-Jesus' death, burial, resurrection, and Jesus' speech. And ascension. And it says, in those days, Peter stood up among the believers. I have a little letter by believers. What is the other?
Yeah, Acts 1, which is really depressing because it says all the believers were gathered together among the believers in those days. This is Acts 1, 15. In those days, now we're post-Jesus' death, burial, resurrection, and Jesus' speech. And ascension. And it says, in those days, Peter stood up among the believers. I have a little letter by believers. What is the other?
Brothers, Greek for brothers. Brothers, which is really, they probably put believers because he lists a bunch of women in there too. Right. Maybe that's why they made that. We would call it, we would call it in our vernacular, the brethren. Yeah. Kind of everybody. And it says a group numbering about, 120. Oh, so, but the verse I wanted is before that, uh, in 14.
Brothers, Greek for brothers. Brothers, which is really, they probably put believers because he lists a bunch of women in there too. Right. Maybe that's why they made that. We would call it, we would call it in our vernacular, the brethren. Yeah. Kind of everybody. And it says a group numbering about, 120. Oh, so, but the verse I wanted is before that, uh, in 14.
Cause it says all of them were together and it starts, uh, those were present. This is 13, Acts 1, 13 B. It says all were present. Uh, Peter, John, James, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, James, uh, and Simon, the zealot, uh, and a different Judas, uh, They all joined together constantly in prayer along with the women. and Mary, the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
Cause it says all of them were together and it starts, uh, those were present. This is 13, Acts 1, 13 B. It says all were present. Uh, Peter, John, James, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, James, uh, and Simon, the zealot, uh, and a different Judas, uh, They all joined together constantly in prayer along with the women. and Mary, the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
No, you don't lay on it. You just put your legs over the top of it and you push a button. So your calves are on it. And it goes for 12 minutes. And you feel nothing. It feels like this is doing nothing. I mean, this was $49.99 that we should have just set on fire.
No, you don't lay on it. You just put your legs over the top of it and you push a button. So your calves are on it. And it goes for 12 minutes. And you feel nothing. It feels like this is doing nothing. I mean, this was $49.99 that we should have just set on fire.
So you say, why is that significant? Because John 7, 5, before you read the whole text, Al, says, for even his own brothers did not believe in him. So you have to pause and say, what happened in between John 7, 5 and Acts 1, 13? What happened to change them?
So you say, why is that significant? Because John 7, 5, before you read the whole text, Al, says, for even his own brothers did not believe in him. So you have to pause and say, what happened in between John 7, 5 and Acts 1, 13? What happened to change them?
So what happened was the death, burial, and resurrection of the king of kings and his ascension to the right hand of God. Exactly.
So what happened was the death, burial, and resurrection of the king of kings and his ascension to the right hand of God. Exactly.
Well, and I think we've said this hundreds of times, but I feel like we need to say it again. Part of what Jesus is doing, and God through Jesus, God the Father through Jesus, is he's going to disarm all these evil powers, these fallen celestial beings, prime candidate, the evil one, which he's going to continue to bring up through the course of John.
Well, and I think we've said this hundreds of times, but I feel like we need to say it again. Part of what Jesus is doing, and God through Jesus, God the Father through Jesus, is he's going to disarm all these evil powers, these fallen celestial beings, prime candidate, the evil one, which he's going to continue to bring up through the course of John.
And so, is it 1 Corinthians 2.7 or 2 Corinthians 2.7 that says none of the rulers of this age, you know, the powers in the realms knew that what was going to happen? Because if they did, they would not have crucified the Lord Jesus. Is it 1 Corinthians 2.7? Yeah.
And so, is it 1 Corinthians 2.7 or 2 Corinthians 2.7 that says none of the rulers of this age, you know, the powers in the realms knew that what was going to happen? Because if they did, they would not have crucified the Lord Jesus. Is it 1 Corinthians 2.7? Yeah.
Maybe it's like the shrinking powder.
Maybe it's like the shrinking powder.
Yeah, because if they had, I mean, look, think of the evil one. He thought that was his victory. Yeah, this is it. Anybody who's a threat to us reigning our terror of death, I mean, that's why the evil one is depicted as the ruler of the realm of the dead. I mean, he's going to say in this chapter, he was a murderer from the beginning. And so we remember when was the first murder.
Yeah, because if they had, I mean, look, think of the evil one. He thought that was his victory. Yeah, this is it. Anybody who's a threat to us reigning our terror of death, I mean, that's why the evil one is depicted as the ruler of the realm of the dead. I mean, he's going to say in this chapter, he was a murderer from the beginning. And so we remember when was the first murder.
Is that what you're describing? No, wrong. The calves are the point of contact on this apparatus, and it does a roll thing, and it slightly pulls your legs forward. And it says it's stretching your back. Well, when I got on my hands and knees after that, after 12 minutes, I stood up, which was still painful. But then I took a step and I thought, yep, yep, yep, okay, I'm back going again.
Is that what you're describing? No, wrong. The calves are the point of contact on this apparatus, and it does a roll thing, and it slightly pulls your legs forward. And it says it's stretching your back. Well, when I got on my hands and knees after that, after 12 minutes, I stood up, which was still painful. But then I took a step and I thought, yep, yep, yep, okay, I'm back going again.
It wasn't long after Adam and Eve. Very next chapter. Yeah, Cain and Abel, which is how that escalated. Your death has now been introduced, which is why Jesus... I mean, which is why God said, you eat of that tree, you'll surely die. Right. Which people read it and like, well, they didn't die. Well, just wait for it. It's coming.
It wasn't long after Adam and Eve. Very next chapter. Yeah, Cain and Abel, which is how that escalated. Your death has now been introduced, which is why Jesus... I mean, which is why God said, you eat of that tree, you'll surely die. Right. Which people read it and like, well, they didn't die. Well, just wait for it. It's coming.
Why were they so afraid? So I'm just saying that's why this is kind of cloaked and where Jesus is like, don't tell anybody. Yeah. I mean, that's what I think. I don't know what y'all think, but.
Why were they so afraid? So I'm just saying that's why this is kind of cloaked and where Jesus is like, don't tell anybody. Yeah. I mean, that's what I think. I don't know what y'all think, but.
How can there be an empty tomb if he didn't raise?
How can there be an empty tomb if he didn't raise?
But that's in the Bible. They said they're going to steal the bodies. So the Romans said, well, let's make sure they can't do that. Go find the biggest rock.
But that's in the Bible. They said they're going to steal the bodies. So the Romans said, well, let's make sure they can't do that. Go find the biggest rock.
So the...
So the...
Well, like his brothers as an evidence.
Well, like his brothers as an evidence.
He actually did say that when we were kids, but... He just didn't use the word Messiah, but it was something to the equivalent of it. And you didn't believe him, did you?
He actually did say that when we were kids, but... He just didn't use the word Messiah, but it was something to the equivalent of it. And you didn't believe him, did you?
Yeah. You know, I think though, Al, it's all a, it's all a mask of,
Yeah. You know, I think though, Al, it's all a, it's all a mask of,
it's like the people missy and i was having a conversation you know when you drive back from nashville it's eight hours we were talking about this woman who we all love and y'all know but uh who just fell away from the lord you know and it's like she knows everything i mean every possible she'd been to every bible study would walk with for years you know and uh
it's like the people missy and i was having a conversation you know when you drive back from nashville it's eight hours we were talking about this woman who we all love and y'all know but uh who just fell away from the lord you know and it's like she knows everything i mean every possible she'd been to every bible study would walk with for years you know and uh
And Missy had recently talked to one of their mutual friends. You know, it's like, well, what do we, you know, because they had seen her somewhere. And Missy's like, the problem is not knowledge or experience. The problem is the lack of of wanting to surrender. And I think that everybody reaches that point. You'll look at the Bible skeptically when you don't want to surrender and give your life.
And Missy had recently talked to one of their mutual friends. You know, it's like, well, what do we, you know, because they had seen her somewhere. And Missy's like, the problem is not knowledge or experience. The problem is the lack of of wanting to surrender. And I think that everybody reaches that point. You'll look at the Bible skeptically when you don't want to surrender and give your life.
The back stretch, I mean, Mitzi swears by this thing. And the one time I did injure my back, That did more than every doctor visit, x-ray, you know, inflammation. But I was doing it like five times a day. A couple days later, got up, no problem. Of course, the last words the back doctor said, because I canceled my visit, I said, I got on this little stretcher and I'm good.
The back stretch, I mean, Mitzi swears by this thing. And the one time I did injure my back, That did more than every doctor visit, x-ray, you know, inflammation. But I was doing it like five times a day. A couple days later, got up, no problem. Of course, the last words the back doctor said, because I canceled my visit, I said, I got on this little stretcher and I'm good.
There's cost involved when you want to do what you want to do. And I really think that's the answer to like 90% of these issues. When you say, I just can't reach this guy or like you're trying to find clever ways. We've all had those Bible studies and then it kind of dawns on you. You know what? They just don't want to give their life up to the Lord. Yeah. And there's nothing you can say.
There's cost involved when you want to do what you want to do. And I really think that's the answer to like 90% of these issues. When you say, I just can't reach this guy or like you're trying to find clever ways. We've all had those Bible studies and then it kind of dawns on you. You know what? They just don't want to give their life up to the Lord. Yeah. And there's nothing you can say.
That really is the problem.
That really is the problem.
It leads to a person. You keep saying this. It reminds me. When we were up there in the weekend, Missy made crawfish pies for a lot of Reed and Brighton's friends and all. We had a gathering there. Well, Reed took a ribeye, the whole ribeye, and was going to smoke it. And he took a nap because they had gotten up early or whatever.
It leads to a person. You keep saying this. It reminds me. When we were up there in the weekend, Missy made crawfish pies for a lot of Reed and Brighton's friends and all. We had a gathering there. Well, Reed took a ribeye, the whole ribeye, and was going to smoke it. And he took a nap because they had gotten up early or whatever.
Well, when he went out to get it or check on it, the smoker had for some reason gone off. And he was like, oh, no. And so, look, I was stunned at what happened. Because, you know, when you're hosting and you have all these people come over, I mean, it became a crisis.
Well, when he went out to get it or check on it, the smoker had for some reason gone off. And he was like, oh, no. And so, look, I was stunned at what happened. Because, you know, when you're hosting and you have all these people come over, I mean, it became a crisis.
I'm sure I have.
I'm sure I have.
What I was disappointed in is, because I didn't know what Jet, whatever you said, Jet, Jet, Chat, GPT or whatever, that that came up. And I thought, what? They were talking about, look, and somebody said, call Siri. You know, it was this kind of stuff. They were looking this up. And I thought... What are you talking about?
What I was disappointed in is, because I didn't know what Jet, whatever you said, Jet, Jet, Chat, GPT or whatever, that that came up. And I thought, what? They were talking about, look, and somebody said, call Siri. You know, it was this kind of stuff. They were looking this up. And I thought... What are you talking about?
Yeah, trying to find a solution to the smoker going off because now it's just unknown. And I said... Well, we have a member of our family who is AI. He is Siri and chat GPT. He embodies it when it comes to smoking. Al, he's your son-in-law. Exactly. Look, when Reed, I said, call him. So Reed looked at me like, that's a great idea. He called him. He had him on speakerphone.
Yeah, trying to find a solution to the smoker going off because now it's just unknown. And I said... Well, we have a member of our family who is AI. He is Siri and chat GPT. He embodies it when it comes to smoking. Al, he's your son-in-law. Exactly. Look, when Reed, I said, call him. So Reed looked at me like, that's a great idea. He called him. He had him on speakerphone.
It was like when Reed, he laid out the, all right, I'll put it on. Here's what happened. And Jay was like, just immediately, it was like somebody touched a button. And he said, do you have one of those, whatever he called it, the thermometer that you put it in and it comes out on your phone, you know. And I actually got one for Christmas. Used it once. It was fascinating.
It was like when Reed, he laid out the, all right, I'll put it on. Here's what happened. And Jay was like, just immediately, it was like somebody touched a button. And he said, do you have one of those, whatever he called it, the thermometer that you put it in and it comes out on your phone, you know. And I actually got one for Christmas. Used it once. It was fascinating.
He's like, well, you'll see me again. But I took that to mean he was just missing out. He kind of had me in the way. Old Jays found $49.95, stretching that bag out. But here's what I think. I thought it was from jumping out of the back of the truck, but I just went to Nashville, spent time with my grandkids. Look, they're three and a half, two and a half, and one.
He's like, well, you'll see me again. But I took that to mean he was just missing out. He kind of had me in the way. Old Jays found $49.95, stretching that bag out. But here's what I think. I thought it was from jumping out of the back of the truck, but I just went to Nashville, spent time with my grandkids. Look, they're three and a half, two and a half, and one.
And so Jay reads it like, yep. He's like, okay, take the temperature. Now, put it, don't panic. And he was even calming him down, which AI is not going to do for you. He said, it will be okay.
And so Jay reads it like, yep. He's like, okay, take the temperature. Now, put it, don't panic. And he was even calming him down, which AI is not going to do for you. He said, it will be okay.
He's talking him down. The whole crowd is dead silent listening to these words of wisdom. And look, he was like, put it in the oven. You start off at 300. Once you get the temperature, they have the temperature. But Reed kept looking at that estimated time, and he's like, they're going to be here in an hour, and this is three hours and 20 minutes. He's like, don't pay any attention to that.
He's talking him down. The whole crowd is dead silent listening to these words of wisdom. And look, he was like, put it in the oven. You start off at 300. Once you get the temperature, they have the temperature. But Reed kept looking at that estimated time, and he's like, they're going to be here in an hour, and this is three hours and 20 minutes. He's like, don't pay any attention to that.
It's wrong. It doesn't realize what's fixing to happen. It'll catch up. And so they kept panicking because that time wouldn't move. They put it in the oven. He said, well, you can save it in the oven. This is your salvation. And they had it on 300, and he's like, kick it up to 350, but you can never go over 350.
It's wrong. It doesn't realize what's fixing to happen. It'll catch up. And so they kept panicking because that time wouldn't move. They put it in the oven. He said, well, you can save it in the oven. This is your salvation. And they had it on 300, and he's like, kick it up to 350, but you can never go over 350.
But about 10 minutes before they arrived, one of Reed's buddies said, I think we ought to go to 500. And he said, he said, don't go over 350. Don't do it. And you know what was amazing? is about 15 minutes after everybody arrived, the crawfish pot. So we had to wait about 15 minutes. It reached the magic temperature of 130 inside. The time caught up. It was absolutely fantastic.
But about 10 minutes before they arrived, one of Reed's buddies said, I think we ought to go to 500. And he said, he said, don't go over 350. Don't do it. And you know what was amazing? is about 15 minutes after everybody arrived, the crawfish pot. So we had to wait about 15 minutes. It reached the magic temperature of 130 inside. The time caught up. It was absolutely fantastic.
I mean, just melt in your mouth. And I said, see, this is what happens when you put all your faith and trust in something that's not even real. You know what I mean? I was like, you got a dude who was born to image the creator of the universe when it comes to smoking meat. Because that dude... No matter what happens, he's like, everyone remain calm.
I mean, just melt in your mouth. And I said, see, this is what happens when you put all your faith and trust in something that's not even real. You know what I mean? I was like, you got a dude who was born to image the creator of the universe when it comes to smoking meat. Because that dude... No matter what happens, he's like, everyone remain calm.
Yeah, he was perfect.
Yeah, he was perfect.
That's what just infuriates me about the cell phone. I mean, look, today me driving here, I blew my horn, I would say four times. And each time it was a person on their cell phone. I said, what are you looking for? Looking up how to smoke meat. It made me think. I wonder, has anybody done the stats?
That's what just infuriates me about the cell phone. I mean, look, today me driving here, I blew my horn, I would say four times. And each time it was a person on their cell phone. I said, what are you looking for? Looking up how to smoke meat. It made me think. I wonder, has anybody done the stats?
Because now I guarantee you something revolving around a cell phone is probably in the top 10 of the leading causes of death. It has to be. It's like that should be a category. I didn't look it up because that would be against what I'm proposing here. But I'm just saying that it is an epidemic.
Because now I guarantee you something revolving around a cell phone is probably in the top 10 of the leading causes of death. It has to be. It's like that should be a category. I didn't look it up because that would be against what I'm proposing here. But I'm just saying that it is an epidemic.
And I'm like, you know, we're making jokes about a guy named Bible, but I'm saying this Bible is revealing a person that is literally giving you everything you need.
And I'm like, you know, we're making jokes about a guy named Bible, but I'm saying this Bible is revealing a person that is literally giving you everything you need.
Look, what is the number one? Now, Maddie has just owned the case. Oh, yeah. Now, she's probably getting this from artificial intelligence. What is the number one leading cause of vehicle accidents in the U.S.? Cell phones. Distracted driving. Yes. So there you go. There you go. Yeah, that's a stat from an injury.
Look, what is the number one? Now, Maddie has just owned the case. Oh, yeah. Now, she's probably getting this from artificial intelligence. What is the number one leading cause of vehicle accidents in the U.S.? Cell phones. Distracted driving. Yes. So there you go. There you go. Yeah, that's a stat from an injury.
So I've already made my jokes about be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth. But that's what my kids are doing. And so I think what happened was because Reed, my son, bought them a little tee with a ball for the 3 1⁄2 and the 2 1⁄2, and he's like teaching them how to hit.
So I've already made my jokes about be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth. But that's what my kids are doing. And so I think what happened was because Reed, my son, bought them a little tee with a ball for the 3 1⁄2 and the 2 1⁄2, and he's like teaching them how to hit.
Cha-ching. You know what I noticed, too, coming back from Nashville, that everywhere that we encountered wrecks, which was multiple times, way more than usual, you know what I just happened to notice? There was a billboard of saying, had a car wreck. Some guy, you know, he smiled.
Cha-ching. You know what I noticed, too, coming back from Nashville, that everywhere that we encountered wrecks, which was multiple times, way more than usual, you know what I just happened to notice? There was a billboard of saying, had a car wreck. Some guy, you know, he smiled.
There's no difference in this and my analogy with cell phones because now everybody has gone public via the cell phone. That's why they can't even drive down the road because this is their public persona, whatever image they have. And that's what I'm saying. Here you have another group of people, which is this group never gets any time in our speeches, but not unlike the Jewish people
There's no difference in this and my analogy with cell phones because now everybody has gone public via the cell phone. That's why they can't even drive down the road because this is their public persona, whatever image they have. And that's what I'm saying. Here you have another group of people, which is this group never gets any time in our speeches, but not unlike the Jewish people
people that he had just offended by his take on, you know, I'm the one Moses was writing about. I am the manna. Well, now his own brothers are giving Jesus, the Son of God, advice on how to do that, how to navigate the world.
people that he had just offended by his take on, you know, I'm the one Moses was writing about. I am the manna. Well, now his own brothers are giving Jesus, the Son of God, advice on how to do that, how to navigate the world.
Of course, I didn't say because as a grandparent, which is the greatest family dynamic there is because you just show up, do what you want to do, And then you don't have to worry about the repercussions. You're out of there. That's right. So it's awesome. But I wanted to say you don't start them off at that age on a tee.
Of course, I didn't say because as a grandparent, which is the greatest family dynamic there is because you just show up, do what you want to do, And then you don't have to worry about the repercussions. You're out of there. That's right. So it's awesome. But I wanted to say you don't start them off at that age on a tee.
Yeah. I'm glad you brought that verse up, that John 7, 7, when it says, the world cannot hate you, but it hates me. Because now everybody wants to kill him. Also, that's coming up a lot, and I think that's what he means by it hates him. They're trying to kill the man, and he's never done anything wrong. Right. And I think it comes with this, what he's doing in secret.
Yeah. I'm glad you brought that verse up, that John 7, 7, when it says, the world cannot hate you, but it hates me. Because now everybody wants to kill him. Also, that's coming up a lot, and I think that's what he means by it hates him. They're trying to kill the man, and he's never done anything wrong. Right. And I think it comes with this, what he's doing in secret.
You know, if you're coaching a little league, baseball, you teach the mechanics of the swing. You know, they already had that. But then you go to the tee to refine it. But if you have no swing, I think the tee is a bad place to start. And here's my point. Because... I went out there and said, hey, we're, they're like, oh, play baseball, baseball, baseball, you know.
You know, if you're coaching a little league, baseball, you teach the mechanics of the swing. You know, they already had that. But then you go to the tee to refine it. But if you have no swing, I think the tee is a bad place to start. And here's my point. Because... I went out there and said, hey, we're, they're like, oh, play baseball, baseball, baseball, you know.
is giving him the ability on how he should be in public. But you just think about how that applies to your life. What you do in secret, and I'm meaning this reference to the Holy Spirit. I mean, Jesus had the Holy Spirit. And what is he doing in secret? He's constantly going off and praying to God. He has a relationship with the Father. That's what he's trying to do is represent the Father.
is giving him the ability on how he should be in public. But you just think about how that applies to your life. What you do in secret, and I'm meaning this reference to the Holy Spirit. I mean, Jesus had the Holy Spirit. And what is he doing in secret? He's constantly going off and praying to God. He has a relationship with the Father. That's what he's trying to do is represent the Father.
He said it over and over and over and over. It made me think of Sermon on the Mount. Also, when he gets into this, what you do in secret, he's like, these religious leaders, they go out and pray for everybody to see. But he's like, when you pray... you know, go in your room, shut the door, because your father who sees what is done in secret.
He said it over and over and over and over. It made me think of Sermon on the Mount. Also, when he gets into this, what you do in secret, he's like, these religious leaders, they go out and pray for everybody to see. But he's like, when you pray... you know, go in your room, shut the door, because your father who sees what is done in secret.
And then he uses the same analogy about giving and fasting, you know, and then he'll say the same thing, the father who sees what is done in secret. So I think that's really important.
And then he uses the same analogy about giving and fasting, you know, and then he'll say the same thing, the father who sees what is done in secret. So I think that's really important.
Well, right. I think he's leading up to that John 8 where he specifically said, I mean, after he says this, what I'm going to read, then he goes on this language about your children of the devil. But he says in 21 of John 8, he said, "'Once more, Jesus said, "'I am going away and you look for me "'and you will die in your sin.'" Where I go, you cannot come.
Well, right. I think he's leading up to that John 8 where he specifically said, I mean, after he says this, what I'm going to read, then he goes on this language about your children of the devil. But he says in 21 of John 8, he said, "'Once more, Jesus said, "'I am going away and you look for me "'and you will die in your sin.'" Where I go, you cannot come.
And this made the Jews ask, will he kill himself? Is that why he says, where I go, you cannot come? But he continued, you are from below. I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be. You will indeed die in your sins. I mean, that's pretty bold.
And this made the Jews ask, will he kill himself? Is that why he says, where I go, you cannot come? But he continued, you are from below. I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be. You will indeed die in your sins. I mean, that's pretty bold.
I mean, he's exposing... It goes back to that John 3. He's exposing what happens in the darkness, which is a lot of sin... And cover up.
I mean, he's exposing... It goes back to that John 3. He's exposing what happens in the darkness, which is a lot of sin... And cover up.
And I was like, I threw that tee over to the side. And I was like, no, we're going to do this the real way. And so I grabbed my son by the hips and I was like going back and forth. I said, the key to the swing is right here, the hips, the hips, the hips. So, because I saw Reed was, he spent five minutes just getting them lined up on the tee. It's all a waste of time.
And I was like, I threw that tee over to the side. And I was like, no, we're going to do this the real way. And so I grabbed my son by the hips and I was like going back and forth. I said, the key to the swing is right here, the hips, the hips, the hips. So, because I saw Reed was, he spent five minutes just getting them lined up on the tee. It's all a waste of time.
Well, we didn't talk about what this feast was that started the whole thing.
Well, we didn't talk about what this feast was that started the whole thing.
Booths.
Booths.
And they built these little shacks, but they stayed there. It was like a camp out for eight days.
And they built these little shacks, but they stayed there. It was like a camp out for eight days.
So that's what it was honoring. It was honoring the idea. Why are they doing it eight days if they said do it seven? Get back to me on that. Do you know the answer to it?
So that's what it was honoring. It was honoring the idea. Why are they doing it eight days if they said do it seven? Get back to me on that. Do you know the answer to it?
Yeah. Well, I didn't know. I mean, Zach read it. I mean, everything I read, it said it lasted for eight days. Right.
Yeah. Well, I didn't know. I mean, Zach read it. I mean, everything I read, it said it lasted for eight days. Right.
Yeah, you just quit reading. Yeah, I just quit reading. We should have called Mr. Bible from the Coast Guard and said, keep reading.
Yeah, you just quit reading. Yeah, I just quit reading. We should have called Mr. Bible from the Coast Guard and said, keep reading.
No, I agree. And that's what the way you should read it. Yes, we were going to eventually be saved, but But he chose the nation of Israel. He shadowed it with all this hope, using people, you know, raising them up. And then Jesus fulfilled it all by giving us a new creation, a new exodus.
No, I agree. And that's what the way you should read it. Yes, we were going to eventually be saved, but But he chose the nation of Israel. He shadowed it with all this hope, using people, you know, raising them up. And then Jesus fulfilled it all by giving us a new creation, a new exodus.
I was like, it's all about the hips. Of course, Maris, my little granddaughter, who's three and a half, she's watching this. Because then it's fun. We all did the hip thing. Oh, it's like doing the twist. Everything's fun here.
I was like, it's all about the hips. Of course, Maris, my little granddaughter, who's three and a half, she's watching this. Because then it's fun. We all did the hip thing. Oh, it's like doing the twist. Everything's fun here.
Well, then I put the bat in his hands, in David's hands, and I got him lined up there, and I said, put the bat on your shoulder because he's not wanting to hope, but he can rest there. And then I'm backing off five foot away, and I was like, swing. I'm telling him to swing. Well, he immediately thought hips. Well, it's amazing. When you turn your hips, the bat follows, just like the golf swing.
Well, then I put the bat in his hands, in David's hands, and I got him lined up there, and I said, put the bat on your shoulder because he's not wanting to hope, but he can rest there. And then I'm backing off five foot away, and I was like, swing. I'm telling him to swing. Well, he immediately thought hips. Well, it's amazing. When you turn your hips, the bat follows, just like the golf swing.
So he started swinging before I'd even thrown, which is perfect because to hit a ball that's coming towards you at that age, they have a depth perception problem. The first ball I threw, now I'm going to be honest, I basically threw the pitch where the bat was coming through the zone. Bam, he hits it. The crowd explodes. Everyone's like, it's a miracle. This kid was born to play baseball.
So he started swinging before I'd even thrown, which is perfect because to hit a ball that's coming towards you at that age, they have a depth perception problem. The first ball I threw, now I'm going to be honest, I basically threw the pitch where the bat was coming through the zone. Bam, he hits it. The crowd explodes. Everyone's like, it's a miracle. This kid was born to play baseball.
I was thinking, no. They already got him in the bigs. They got him in the big leagues, Jase. But then I got Maris up there, and he only hit two out of 20. But look, he hit the first one, and he hit another one. It was so exciting. But Maris was too far on the tee thing. She tried to, I did the same thing, but when the ball was there, well, that's when she was wanting to swing.
I was thinking, no. They already got him in the bigs. They got him in the big leagues, Jase. But then I got Maris up there, and he only hit two out of 20. But look, he hit the first one, and he hit another one. It was so exciting. But Maris was too far on the tee thing. She tried to, I did the same thing, but when the ball was there, well, that's when she was wanting to swing.
And she was wanting to hit it like off the tee. Well, the ball's already past you. But since David didn't have as much tee time, he got, so I told Reed that, he was like, I got to admit, that was pretty genius. Because he was so excited that he hit a ball that I threw to him. He's two years old. I thought that was pretty impressive. But the secret is he didn't hit a ball.
And she was wanting to hit it like off the tee. Well, the ball's already past you. But since David didn't have as much tee time, he got, so I told Reed that, he was like, I got to admit, that was pretty genius. Because he was so excited that he hit a ball that I threw to him. He's two years old. I thought that was pretty impressive. But the secret is he didn't hit a ball.
You hit a bat is what you're saying. Pretty much, but his swing was perfect. So that's what I'm saying.
You hit a bat is what you're saying. Pretty much, but his swing was perfect. So that's what I'm saying.
He kept his bat in the zone for an extreme amount of time. I mean, I really think he has potential. But I left out the part where I hurt my back, which was, first you have to excite them. So before I did the lesson, I picked a ball up, and it's soft, but it's the size of a baseball, but it's soft. And I said, watch this. And I threw that ball up.
He kept his bat in the zone for an extreme amount of time. I mean, I really think he has potential. But I left out the part where I hurt my back, which was, first you have to excite them. So before I did the lesson, I picked a ball up, and it's soft, but it's the size of a baseball, but it's soft. And I said, watch this. And I threw that ball up.
Low T. I don't even know what that means. I don't want to know for holy reasons. But I got to watch where your brain goes. But Al, you already knew the answer to that. I did. I sent the team into trauma and nervousness because when I walked out the door, I thought it was a safe spot. So I stretched. But it hurt so bad that I just cried out to the Lord because there was nobody else there.
Low T. I don't even know what that means. I don't want to know for holy reasons. But I got to watch where your brain goes. But Al, you already knew the answer to that. I did. I sent the team into trauma and nervousness because when I walked out the door, I thought it was a safe spot. So I stretched. But it hurt so bad that I just cried out to the Lord because there was nobody else there.
I said, have you ever seen somebody hit it over your house? Because we were in the backyard. I hit that ball, and it almost went over their house and bounced down the roof, you know. I mean, I hit it probably 80 yards, and it bounced back, you know, and they were like, oh, my. I was like, that's the potential of fun that you can have. So you know what they said? They said, do it again.
I said, have you ever seen somebody hit it over your house? Because we were in the backyard. I hit that ball, and it almost went over their house and bounced down the roof, you know. I mean, I hit it probably 80 yards, and it bounced back, you know, and they were like, oh, my. I was like, that's the potential of fun that you can have. So you know what they said? They said, do it again.
So I did it again. Well, about the third time I did it, and Missy's like, what are you doing? Because I was hitting it toward them. They don't realize it was a softball. So every time I hit it, Missy and Brighton just went down like it was going to hurt. The thing is literally all just styrofoam. It's not going to hurt them. And the third time I did it, the ball was coming down the house.
So I did it again. Well, about the third time I did it, and Missy's like, what are you doing? Because I was hitting it toward them. They don't realize it was a softball. So every time I hit it, Missy and Brighton just went down like it was going to hurt. The thing is literally all just styrofoam. It's not going to hurt them. And the third time I did it, the ball was coming down the house.
They're hollering and cheering, and it gets stuck in the gutter. And their house is very tall. So I looked at Brighton, and their faces fell. And I was like, Brighton, do you have a ladder? And I think that's where I hurt my back because then I had to put up a ladder. And so I crawled up to the top, but I still could barely reach. And so I was getting – it was actually probably pretty dangerous.
They're hollering and cheering, and it gets stuck in the gutter. And their house is very tall. So I looked at Brighton, and their faces fell. And I was like, Brighton, do you have a ladder? And I think that's where I hurt my back because then I had to put up a ladder. And so I crawled up to the top, but I still could barely reach. And so I was getting – it was actually probably pretty dangerous.
I shouldn't have been doing it. And I had to get a golf club because I couldn't see in the gutter because the ladder wasn't high enough. So I would just guess where the ball was because if I got on top of the ladder, I could see it. But then I was vulnerable because it's probably, I mean, this was a tall ladder. And so I finally got it.
I shouldn't have been doing it. And I had to get a golf club because I couldn't see in the gutter because the ladder wasn't high enough. So I would just guess where the ball was because if I got on top of the ladder, I could see it. But then I was vulnerable because it's probably, I mean, this was a tall ladder. And so I finally got it.
But without those kids knowing that I had gotten the ball because I was so high, I eased the ball. I did a little trickeration. I hid the ball. Then I got down. They were sad. I was like, well, maybe we should just pray about it. I was like, I'm just kidding. I was like, maybe we'll find it. I had it, and I maneuvered it around. Then I was like, all right, close your eyes.
But without those kids knowing that I had gotten the ball because I was so high, I eased the ball. I did a little trickeration. I hid the ball. Then I got down. They were sad. I was like, well, maybe we should just pray about it. I was like, I'm just kidding. I was like, maybe we'll find it. I had it, and I maneuvered it around. Then I was like, all right, close your eyes.
When I count to three, I was like, maybe it'll just appear. So one, two, three, boom, here's the ball. They jumped up and down, you know, and my little three and a half said, the Lord does answers prayer. See, see right here. I didn't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing.
When I count to three, I was like, maybe it'll just appear. So one, two, three, boom, here's the ball. They jumped up and down, you know, and my little three and a half said, the Lord does answers prayer. See, see right here. I didn't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing.
It just shows you that marketing can only take you so far, Al. Sometimes you need professional help.
It just shows you that marketing can only take you so far, Al. Sometimes you need professional help.
And so then I was like, y'all want to hit it. So see, then they were excited. So we did that. But I want to say this. I want to brag on my daughter-in-law for a second. Because the plan was they said, why don't we, we're going to go to the movies tonight and take the kids. It's their first movie. And I was like, I was thinking three, two, and one. Go see in a movie. That will never work.
And so then I was like, y'all want to hit it. So see, then they were excited. So we did that. But I want to say this. I want to brag on my daughter-in-law for a second. Because the plan was they said, why don't we, we're going to go to the movies tonight and take the kids. It's their first movie. And I was like, I was thinking three, two, and one. Go see in a movie. That will never work.
But they said, well, it's this new cartoon movie, The King of Kings. Yeah, I've heard about it. How was it? I thought it was pretty good. And, you know, it's a cartoon. But it was, I mean, they basically just kind of went down the line of the Bible. It's kind of told in a framework of, a dad telling his son about the story of Jesus, you know, I mean, that's an angels studio movie.
But they said, well, it's this new cartoon movie, The King of Kings. Yeah, I've heard about it. How was it? I thought it was pretty good. And, you know, it's a cartoon. But it was, I mean, they basically just kind of went down the line of the Bible. It's kind of told in a framework of, a dad telling his son about the story of Jesus, you know, I mean, that's an angels studio movie.
Come on, Jesus. I walked in, and they were like, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I was doing some stretching. But I thought it was because I jumped. We call that podcast stretching.
Come on, Jesus. I walked in, and they were like, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I was doing some stretching. But I thought it was because I jumped. We call that podcast stretching.
I think, yeah, I don't, I didn't know who I didn't, I didn't even notice, but, uh, but we went to one of these movies, you know, where they, we don't have one here, but you can like put your feet out and they have people come in, you know, for a nominal fee, uh, Would you like something to eat while you're here? It was pretty much chicken tenders and whatever, which I think helped their behavior.
I think, yeah, I don't, I didn't know who I didn't, I didn't even notice, but, uh, but we went to one of these movies, you know, where they, we don't have one here, but you can like put your feet out and they have people come in, you know, for a nominal fee, uh, Would you like something to eat while you're here? It was pretty much chicken tenders and whatever, which I think helped their behavior.
But I was shocked. Those three kids sat there and watched that movie. I was stunned. I mean, somebody has been providing some structure there. And I was singling out my daughter-in-law because she spends the most time with them. But, I mean, to give Reed and Brighton credit, if you would have told me, because I remember when we were kids, that would not have been possible.
But I was shocked. Those three kids sat there and watched that movie. I was stunned. I mean, somebody has been providing some structure there. And I was singling out my daughter-in-law because she spends the most time with them. But, I mean, to give Reed and Brighton credit, if you would have told me, because I remember when we were kids, that would not have been possible.
911 would have been called. I mean, they did. The only thing I found fascinating is the three-and-a-half-year-old, when they got to the Jesus on the Cross thing, She had trouble watching that because, you know, I mean, that's not really, it's pretty rough to watch, even in a cartoon format. And she was like, I need to go potty. And Missy's like, I think she's just uncomfortable.
911 would have been called. I mean, they did. The only thing I found fascinating is the three-and-a-half-year-old, when they got to the Jesus on the Cross thing, She had trouble watching that because, you know, I mean, that's not really, it's pretty rough to watch, even in a cartoon format. And she was like, I need to go potty. And Missy's like, I think she's just uncomfortable.
I think she was because Missy, I think they took her to go potty and she didn't really have to, but she was just like, this is heavy. Yeah. But I thought, you know what, if you were going to take your kids to the movies and they were able to sit there and watch, I mean, I thought it was a pretty positive thing. Yeah, I would have never thought that was possible. And you're right, kudos.
I think she was because Missy, I think they took her to go potty and she didn't really have to, but she was just like, this is heavy. Yeah. But I thought, you know what, if you were going to take your kids to the movies and they were able to sit there and watch, I mean, I thought it was a pretty positive thing. Yeah, I would have never thought that was possible. And you're right, kudos.
Kudos to your kids. No, it was awesome. So that was fun. So to reveal on the way back from Nashville, I was in some convenience store or whatever, and – Forgot exactly. I went to the bathroom, and I was looking for a few snacks, you know, because the trips are all about the snacks. Oh, yeah. Just like airplanes. And I heard this guy say, Jace? And so I looked up. He's like, is that really you?
Kudos to your kids. No, it was awesome. So that was fun. So to reveal on the way back from Nashville, I was in some convenience store or whatever, and – Forgot exactly. I went to the bathroom, and I was looking for a few snacks, you know, because the trips are all about the snacks. Oh, yeah. Just like airplanes. And I heard this guy say, Jace? And so I looked up. He's like, is that really you?
It's hard work. I jumped out of the truck yesterday, out of the back of the truck. But Jay's truck's pretty high. And you know how you feel kind of that slight twinge? Like when I landed, I stuck the landing, but there was a slight twinge. Well, that turned into me this morning when I crawled out of bed and I'm in crawled. And I went, Missy has this little back stretcher thing.
It's hard work. I jumped out of the truck yesterday, out of the back of the truck. But Jay's truck's pretty high. And you know how you feel kind of that slight twinge? Like when I landed, I stuck the landing, but there was a slight twinge. Well, that turned into me this morning when I crawled out of bed and I'm in crawled. And I went, Missy has this little back stretcher thing.
And I was kind of looking behind me, you know, playing along. I was like, yep, what's left of him? He said, I've been following you. since I was a kid, of course he looked like a kid, you know, but I mean, he was in his twenties, but when, as my age, you know, people in their twenties look like just children. Exactly. And he was like, I mean, my hands are kind of shaking here.
And I was kind of looking behind me, you know, playing along. I was like, yep, what's left of him? He said, I've been following you. since I was a kid, of course he looked like a kid, you know, but I mean, he was in his twenties, but when, as my age, you know, people in their twenties look like just children. Exactly. And he was like, I mean, my hands are kind of shaking here.
I mean, I've watched every video, you know, and all this stuff. I was like, well, I might share Jesus with this guy because, you know, this is a little kind of like when we had the country music guy. It's like when people are like kind of awkwardly giving you praise, it's like what they don't realize is you're drawn to the spirit of the Lord here.
I mean, I've watched every video, you know, and all this stuff. I was like, well, I might share Jesus with this guy because, you know, this is a little kind of like when we had the country music guy. It's like when people are like kind of awkwardly giving you praise, it's like what they don't realize is you're drawn to the spirit of the Lord here.
So I was trying to craft my sermon on how I was going to do this. And so I was like, what do you do? And he's like, well, I work for the Coast Guard. He's like, I was like, I think we were in Mississippi. And I was like, well, how long you been in Mississippi? He's like, no, I'm from Texas. I'm driving to Virginia, you know. So as we're walking outside, we took a little picture, you know.
So I was trying to craft my sermon on how I was going to do this. And so I was like, what do you do? And he's like, well, I work for the Coast Guard. He's like, I was like, I think we were in Mississippi. And I was like, well, how long you been in Mississippi? He's like, no, I'm from Texas. I'm driving to Virginia, you know. So as we're walking outside, we took a little picture, you know.
And I said, well, because he had mentioned everything we do except this podcast. So I thought, well, have you ever heard of our podcast? And he's like, I've listened to every episode. I was like, oh. I was like, well, I was trying to figure out a clever way to share Jesus with you. And he said, well, I've been following you since I've been born. And he said, you know what my last name is?
And I said, well, because he had mentioned everything we do except this podcast. So I thought, well, have you ever heard of our podcast? And he's like, I've listened to every episode. I was like, oh. I was like, well, I was trying to figure out a clever way to share Jesus with you. And he said, well, I've been following you since I've been born. And he said, you know what my last name is?
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Jase, the last time we saw you, you were off to the woods. I'm curious as to what happened.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Jase, the last time we saw you, you were off to the woods. I'm curious as to what happened.
I know that wasn't planned, but you brought turtles, and that was like flashback, flashback. John, welcome to Unashamed. This is what we do here. We start talking, and then you never know where it's going to go. It feels like home, and I'm grateful, guys.
I know that wasn't planned, but you brought turtles, and that was like flashback, flashback. John, welcome to Unashamed. This is what we do here. We start talking, and then you never know where it's going to go. It feels like home, and I'm grateful, guys.
No, you're a very smart man. We're glad to have you on our podcast. You're connected. Tell us what you do with Dave Ramsey because you're working with him these days.
No, you're a very smart man. We're glad to have you on our podcast. You're connected. Tell us what you do with Dave Ramsey because you're working with him these days.
And you like to hunt because before we came on air, we were talking about hunting. And you're from Texas originally, is that right? Yes, sir. I was born and raised there.
And you like to hunt because before we came on air, we were talking about hunting. And you're from Texas originally, is that right? Yes, sir. I was born and raised there.
Well, I saw that when I saw you had been at ACU and LCU because, you know, we all come out of the same heritage. We come out of the Church of Christ heritage. The one true church. The one true church, yeah.
Well, I saw that when I saw you had been at ACU and LCU because, you know, we all come out of the same heritage. We come out of the Church of Christ heritage. The one true church. The one true church, yeah.
And so I noticed because when our little duck show took off, we were quite popular for people raising money, you know, to come in and try to get some crowds in, in some unusual places, including university campuses. And so I made it my vow that I was every one of our COC colleges and universities that are out there that I was going to try to make sure I made it to everyone. And I did. It took me.
And so I noticed because when our little duck show took off, we were quite popular for people raising money, you know, to come in and try to get some crowds in, in some unusual places, including university campuses. And so I made it my vow that I was every one of our COC colleges and universities that are out there that I was going to try to make sure I made it to everyone. And I did. It took me.
three or four years of fundraisers to make it around. But it was a nice thing we could share together from that idea.
three or four years of fundraisers to make it around. But it was a nice thing we could share together from that idea.
But, you know, they're from Montana and Colorado, so they were like, yeah.
But, you know, they're from Montana and Colorado, so they were like, yeah.
Well, the guy that mentored us here, that led down to Christ, mentored me and Jace in our early formative years in Bible study, always said, keep studying and stay open to God. Because, you know, you never know what he's going to reveal to you. And he was a man, even as he got older, that had some beliefs that kind of were all of our heritages coming into the situation here.
Well, the guy that mentored us here, that led down to Christ, mentored me and Jace in our early formative years in Bible study, always said, keep studying and stay open to God. Because, you know, you never know what he's going to reveal to you. And he was a man, even as he got older, that had some beliefs that kind of were all of our heritages coming into the situation here.
But over time, when he looked at the scriptures and was fair with it, he said, you know, I've been wrong about that. And again, by this time, he's in his 70s and 80s. And so I'm kind of like you, John. Those sort of things impacted me because I don't ever just shut down and think I know everything that's out there.
But over time, when he looked at the scriptures and was fair with it, he said, you know, I've been wrong about that. And again, by this time, he's in his 70s and 80s. And so I'm kind of like you, John. Those sort of things impacted me because I don't ever just shut down and think I know everything that's out there.
And to be honest, I was, when I heard Burley was going, I felt better because Burley is really good at taking care of folks, making sure they get what they need.
And to be honest, I was, when I heard Burley was going, I felt better because Burley is really good at taking care of folks, making sure they get what they need.
Because I had— They were actually competing sides in our audience as to who was right, who was wrong.
Because I had— They were actually competing sides in our audience as to who was right, who was wrong.
He was parked right in front of a donut shop. I mean, this morning I saw him as well when I came by. All right, so that's great. So can you analyze Jace on that, John?
He was parked right in front of a donut shop. I mean, this morning I saw him as well when I came by. All right, so that's great. So can you analyze Jace on that, John?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. And if you, and if you never do something, you'll never have to worry about it. So I want to ask you this because the, you guys obviously are doing great, work with what you're doing with Dave and everything else. We're in another lane in Unashamed, but I feel like we're all kind of working together. That's right. From a kingdom perspective, what we're putting out there.
Yeah. And if you, and if you never do something, you'll never have to worry about it. So I want to ask you this because the, you guys obviously are doing great, work with what you're doing with Dave and everything else. We're in another lane in Unashamed, but I feel like we're all kind of working together. That's right. From a kingdom perspective, what we're putting out there.
So you know, because you said you listen to a podcast, that we're based obviously in Bible study and then stories. You know, stories, that's how we grew up. My grandfather and my dad and all of our relatives told stories. And so then that shaped right into sort of the biblical story and how we go forward. So that's kind of the unashamed lane that we're in that works for the folks that are here.
So you know, because you said you listen to a podcast, that we're based obviously in Bible study and then stories. You know, stories, that's how we grew up. My grandfather and my dad and all of our relatives told stories. And so then that shaped right into sort of the biblical story and how we go forward. So that's kind of the unashamed lane that we're in that works for the folks that are here.
But I want to ask you about that because I feel like you and a lot of guys like you are what I call in the cultural trenches because you talk to people every day. They're right up next to a lot of real issues that they may or may not understand. talk about their church or some other place because they're just struggling, but they don't know how to get this out.
But I want to ask you about that because I feel like you and a lot of guys like you are what I call in the cultural trenches because you talk to people every day. They're right up next to a lot of real issues that they may or may not understand. talk about their church or some other place because they're just struggling, but they don't know how to get this out.
So just to get us started, how do you approach that? How do you think people's identity in Christ can help them through mental issues and all the stuff you deal with?
So just to get us started, how do you approach that? How do you think people's identity in Christ can help them through mental issues and all the stuff you deal with?
I had never thought about connecting back to 50 years ago and sort of the dawn of the television age with that and how much you're right and how much that has just set the stage for where we are today. It's been a natural advancement because you said it, it's TV dinners. So it's not just we lost that supper time, we lost that meal experience, we lost that idea of connection to
I had never thought about connecting back to 50 years ago and sort of the dawn of the television age with that and how much you're right and how much that has just set the stage for where we are today. It's been a natural advancement because you said it, it's TV dinners. So it's not just we lost that supper time, we lost that meal experience, we lost that idea of connection to
what gives us that nutrition for both our bodies as well as our psyche and our soul. Right. But also it was tied to a device. It was tied to the television. And so, you know, back in that day, because I remember being a little kid, it was three channels and, you know, it was colored bars at 10 o'clock at night. At least there was a stop to it.
what gives us that nutrition for both our bodies as well as our psyche and our soul. Right. But also it was tied to a device. It was tied to the television. And so, you know, back in that day, because I remember being a little kid, it was three channels and, you know, it was colored bars at 10 o'clock at night. At least there was a stop to it.
And I'm saying I'm willing to bet that the ones that, stayed on as friends of your kids are probably still friends to this day.
And I'm saying I'm willing to bet that the ones that, stayed on as friends of your kids are probably still friends to this day.
That's what I'm saying. When you see them, you've got a relationship. So that brings me to something, John, because you talk a lot. I saw some of your shows where you talk about getting weird. if you have to, because you're in protective mode. And, Jace, what Jace just described is weird, but only because it's just different. It's right.
That's what I'm saying. When you see them, you've got a relationship. So that brings me to something, John, because you talk a lot. I saw some of your shows where you talk about getting weird. if you have to, because you're in protective mode. And, Jace, what Jace just described is weird, but only because it's just different. It's right.
Most of us can agree, but most people don't have the courage to do something like that.
Most of us can agree, but most people don't have the courage to do something like that.
John, that's why they're called duck boys. They haven't become duck men.
John, that's why they're called duck boys. They haven't become duck men.
It's almost like you flip from defense to offense because it's what John was saying earlier about the woman at the well. She starts out. She's isolated. She's alone. She doesn't want to talk to people. She's engaged with Jesus in just a short conversation. All of her life hurts are brought out. And then what is the next thing she does?
It's almost like you flip from defense to offense because it's what John was saying earlier about the woman at the well. She starts out. She's isolated. She's alone. She doesn't want to talk to people. She's engaged with Jesus in just a short conversation. All of her life hurts are brought out. And then what is the next thing she does?
She goes into the village and says, hey, you got to come out of here. I mean, so all the people she's been avoiding, now she's on offense and saying, you know, this guy will tell you everything you've ever done. So I find that that defense to offense makes a big difference.
She goes into the village and says, hey, you got to come out of here. I mean, so all the people she's been avoiding, now she's on offense and saying, you know, this guy will tell you everything you've ever done. So I find that that defense to offense makes a big difference.
Yeah, because you never really thought about this ending your life stuff being that present in young people, but it, it seems to be part of this new phenomenon.
Yeah, because you never really thought about this ending your life stuff being that present in young people, but it, it seems to be part of this new phenomenon.
And usually they'll lean forward and go, all right, tell me some more.
And usually they'll lean forward and go, all right, tell me some more.
I love it. John, we're out of time. You know, we have a way of rating guests on the Unashamed podcast. The really good ones, it feel like we just got started. And literally, we're out of time. Zach came up with 17 questions to ask you. We asked two. So we got to have you back on. It's the Dr. John Deloney Show.
I love it. John, we're out of time. You know, we have a way of rating guests on the Unashamed podcast. The really good ones, it feel like we just got started. And literally, we're out of time. Zach came up with 17 questions to ask you. We asked two. So we got to have you back on. It's the Dr. John Deloney Show.
If you want to check out John's work, he's written some books as well that look fantastic.
If you want to check out John's work, he's written some books as well that look fantastic.
I've got to get out and do it. All right. We may make that happen as well. John, thank you for coming on, brother.
I've got to get out and do it. All right. We may make that happen as well. John, thank you for coming on, brother.
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Which, by the way, I saw Jeff, and he told me when Austin came in from that hunt, they went by their house first. And he didn't even speak to Jeff as he was running past him. He said, I got to get in the shower. I got to get in the shower.
Which, by the way, I saw Jeff, and he told me when Austin came in from that hunt, they went by their house first. And he didn't even speak to Jeff as he was running past him. He said, I got to get in the shower. I got to get in the shower.
I'm glad I came back. Steven and Vanessa, if you're listening, I'm so sorry. It was the worst trip you could have ever had.
I'm glad I came back. Steven and Vanessa, if you're listening, I'm so sorry. It was the worst trip you could have ever had.
No, we're super excited about it.
No, we're super excited about it.
I'm probably going to struggle. Let's take a break. We'll introduce our guest when we come back.
I'm probably going to struggle. Let's take a break. We'll introduce our guest when we come back.
Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.
Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.
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I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.
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Well, that's the bottom of the whole universe as far as we're concerned. That's where it all happens.
Well, that's the bottom of the whole universe as far as we're concerned. That's where it all happens.
And we're still training her.
And we're still training her.
It's like a drunk French something or other. That's it. It's bad English and bad French. So we have John Deloney. John, welcome to Unashamed. I appreciate the seat at the table. I'm grateful. John, don't feel like you need to hold back.
It's like a drunk French something or other. That's it. It's bad English and bad French. So we have John Deloney. John, welcome to Unashamed. I appreciate the seat at the table. I'm grateful. John, don't feel like you need to hold back.
Well, I didn't know she was coming. I didn't know she wanted to go until we got out there, so that was kind of a last minute.
Well, I didn't know she was coming. I didn't know she wanted to go until we got out there, so that was kind of a last minute.
He's like, well, in the last 50 years, we have figured out how to make light...
He's like, well, in the last 50 years, we have figured out how to make light...
How did the writer of the book of Revelation know that?
How did the writer of the book of Revelation know that?
That's right.
That's right.
I am unashamed. What about you?
I am unashamed. What about you?
It was a nice moment, you know. And we've just, you know, our lives are so busy. And it was just a nice.
It was a nice moment, you know. And we've just, you know, our lives are so busy. And it was just a nice.
It was more weird for them, their family, because they had watched the show. Yeah. So I just thought in my mind, can you believe these people were watching this show one time? And just if maybe somebody having a thought, what if, you know, our daughter marries one of these people? I mean, you know, it's like horrifying. Yeah. And now it's a reality. So you're like.
It was more weird for them, their family, because they had watched the show. Yeah. So I just thought in my mind, can you believe these people were watching this show one time? And just if maybe somebody having a thought, what if, you know, our daughter marries one of these people? I mean, you know, it's like horrifying. Yeah. And now it's a reality. So you're like.
You're trying to let them know it's not as scary. Oh, it got more awkward than that. So after all the festivities and all that, they actually put on Duck Somebody. Put on Duck Dynasty. Put three episodes on. And I thought, I can't believe this worked. I watched three episodes. And I thought, what? How did this catch on? It was kind of shocking to me. Yeah. That. That worked. People watched it.
You're trying to let them know it's not as scary. Oh, it got more awkward than that. So after all the festivities and all that, they actually put on Duck Somebody. Put on Duck Dynasty. Put three episodes on. And I thought, I can't believe this worked. I watched three episodes. And I thought, what? How did this catch on? It was kind of shocking to me. Yeah. That. That worked. People watched it.
So that was my take on that. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but I just didn't get it.
So that was my take on that. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but I just didn't get it.
Turnip greens.
Turnip greens.
What in the world is wrong with hog head cheese? That's what I said. If you were to cut me hog head cheese, would you use that? I mean, that's part of the DNA here.
What in the world is wrong with hog head cheese? That's what I said. If you were to cut me hog head cheese, would you use that? I mean, that's part of the DNA here.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it was something, you know? He's in love, you're saying? Is that what you're telling us? Yeah, he's in love. He popped the question. He proposed, and we had... We had these storms come through, and I'm mindful that a lot of people lost their life. Yes, it was a bad one. So our hearts and prayers go out to them. But that was kind of the backdrop for this.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it was something, you know? He's in love, you're saying? Is that what you're telling us? Yeah, he's in love. He popped the question. He proposed, and we had... We had these storms come through, and I'm mindful that a lot of people lost their life. Yes, it was a bad one. So our hearts and prayers go out to them. But that was kind of the backdrop for this.
And there may be, we'll get y'all blind. We'll set y'all up about 150 yards from us. You can't do any damage.
And there may be, we'll get y'all blind. We'll set y'all up about 150 yards from us. You can't do any damage.
I knew it was just because on my way to, on my way back to Nashville, we drove and every outhouse, penthouse, townhouse, hen house, everywhere I stopped, uh, That was the number one conversation. I've gotten much, much emails. I was like, boy, y'all been listening to the podcast. So they want me to tell it again. I was like, go watch the podcast. You got to watch the episode.
I knew it was just because on my way to, on my way back to Nashville, we drove and every outhouse, penthouse, townhouse, hen house, everywhere I stopped, uh, That was the number one conversation. I've gotten much, much emails. I was like, boy, y'all been listening to the podcast. So they want me to tell it again. I was like, go watch the podcast. You got to watch the episode.
I'm trying to get home.
I'm trying to get home.
So, you know, my place got hit by a tornado a year ago, and it's still not. livable we tried it no cole lives there but you know if you're a single guy it's a camp i guess because half of my house is gone and the other half they've kind of you know duct taped and so missy cleaned it all up and uh because the proposal was going to happen there which cole was like you know
So, you know, my place got hit by a tornado a year ago, and it's still not. livable we tried it no cole lives there but you know if you're a single guy it's a camp i guess because half of my house is gone and the other half they've kind of you know duct taped and so missy cleaned it all up and uh because the proposal was going to happen there which cole was like you know
Well, we never said anything about when he got down and said, this is the verdict. That's in 19. Yeah, which is big. When he says that, that's... Well, I mean, there's like a courtroom feel to a lot of this where like you're making the case, John's making the case for Jesus.
Well, we never said anything about when he got down and said, this is the verdict. That's in 19. Yeah, which is big. When he says that, that's... Well, I mean, there's like a courtroom feel to a lot of this where like you're making the case, John's making the case for Jesus.
Well, and he also said that He focused on the positive, for God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. That's 17. I think that's a key thing to remember.
Well, and he also said that He focused on the positive, for God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. That's 17. I think that's a key thing to remember.
Well, it's just God is not mean. He's not a bully. You know, a lot of people, when they picture God, they're like, well, he's up there, you know, ready to just, just, wham, you know.
Well, it's just God is not mean. He's not a bully. You know, a lot of people, when they picture God, they're like, well, he's up there, you know, ready to just, just, wham, you know.
Well, right. Right.
Well, right. Right.
But what about these people, though? I'm going to have to give you an argument. Because some would say, look, so there's a phrase used in the Old Testament. Zach, feel free to enter this because I'm not sure I know all this. But when it uses the sons of God, like Genesis 6, the sons of God. Right. I mean, and they use, which they say it's like part of the... Heavenly realm.
But what about these people, though? I'm going to have to give you an argument. Because some would say, look, so there's a phrase used in the Old Testament. Zach, feel free to enter this because I'm not sure I know all this. But when it uses the sons of God, like Genesis 6, the sons of God. Right. I mean, and they use, which they say it's like part of the... Heavenly realm.
Well, the heavenly family. The divine council. Yeah, the divine council. That was the phrase. They read Psalm 82, Psalm 89. So it's like the spiritual family. And one of the verses they use to say, so when is his only son? Or like maybe there's something unique. Mm-hmm. Because they use this Hebrews, this is off the top of my head.
Well, the heavenly family. The divine council. Yeah, the divine council. That was the phrase. They read Psalm 82, Psalm 89. So it's like the spiritual family. And one of the verses they use to say, so when is his only son? Or like maybe there's something unique. Mm-hmm. Because they use this Hebrews, this is off the top of my head.
But when you said that, that popped into my brain because I think a lot of the spiritual warfare people say, wait a minute. Hebrews 11, 17, by faith, Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promise was about to sacrifice his one and only son. But Abraham actually had other sons.
But when you said that, that popped into my brain because I think a lot of the spiritual warfare people say, wait a minute. Hebrews 11, 17, by faith, Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promise was about to sacrifice his one and only son. But Abraham actually had other sons.
But it was his only son was Sarah. And remember, they couldn't have kids. So I was just bringing that out. I'm not sure how to balance that.
But it was his only son was Sarah. And remember, they couldn't have kids. So I was just bringing that out. I'm not sure how to balance that.
Exactly. That's kind of where I was going with it because I think, you know, it's like, well, we believe there's one God. Now, he has three persons, but it's one God. And you think Father, Son, Holy Spirit as unique. So, Zach, what are your thoughts on that?
Exactly. That's kind of where I was going with it because I think, you know, it's like, well, we believe there's one God. Now, he has three persons, but it's one God. And you think Father, Son, Holy Spirit as unique. So, Zach, what are your thoughts on that?
What is the name of that book?
What is the name of that book?
The Unseen Realm, yeah. I haven't read it, but I've heard people talk about it.
The Unseen Realm, yeah. I haven't read it, but I've heard people talk about it.
Yeah, I'd probably disagree with him on that, but I think there is something to the... spiritual family, because I believe they're made in the image of God with a special function. Yeah. Just like we were, which I think is one of the main points of the Bible that no one ever talks about, that we're made to be imagers of God. We have a job. Image bearers. We have a function.
Yeah, I'd probably disagree with him on that, but I think there is something to the... spiritual family, because I believe they're made in the image of God with a special function. Yeah. Just like we were, which I think is one of the main points of the Bible that no one ever talks about, that we're made to be imagers of God. We have a job. Image bearers. We have a function.
Hey, he calls his girlfriend. So you knew this was going down. We knew this was going down. Everybody knew except his girlfriend. It was a surprise. Her family was coming up from parts unknown. And they knew about it? Well, yeah, this was a surprise. Because he had already asked them for... Oh, yeah, everybody knew about this but her.
Hey, he calls his girlfriend. So you knew this was going down. We knew this was going down. Everybody knew except his girlfriend. It was a surprise. Her family was coming up from parts unknown. And they knew about it? Well, yeah, this was a surprise. Because he had already asked them for... Oh, yeah, everybody knew about this but her.
I mean, look, I'll just give you a crazy illustration. I am so frustrated with today's appliances. You know, I redid my house, and all these appliances I kept having to replace. So when it came to the refrigerator, remember those podcasts maybe a year ago? I mean, this thing, state-of-the-art, industrial refrigerator, has the capability of a camera inside of it.
I mean, look, I'll just give you a crazy illustration. I am so frustrated with today's appliances. You know, I redid my house, and all these appliances I kept having to replace. So when it came to the refrigerator, remember those podcasts maybe a year ago? I mean, this thing, state-of-the-art, industrial refrigerator, has the capability of a camera inside of it.
So you can be at the grocery store and, like, you know, look and see what's in your fridge. I mean... Just splurged. Said, I don't want to ever buy another refrigerator. I'll buy the greatest refrigerator on the planet. So we splurged on it because I kept having to replace them. Well, guess what? It's not in my house right now. You know why?
So you can be at the grocery store and, like, you know, look and see what's in your fridge. I mean... Just splurged. Said, I don't want to ever buy another refrigerator. I'll buy the greatest refrigerator on the planet. So we splurged on it because I kept having to replace them. Well, guess what? It's not in my house right now. You know why?
Because after a few months, it started going beep, like the most annoying noise. sound ever, and you'd have to go in and push the alarm button. Well, finally, I was like, babe, call the repair. It's going off for a reason because every time it would get to 40 degrees, the alarm would go off. Now, there's a reason. So this old boy comes. He looks like Cy, identical.
Because after a few months, it started going beep, like the most annoying noise. sound ever, and you'd have to go in and push the alarm button. Well, finally, I was like, babe, call the repair. It's going off for a reason because every time it would get to 40 degrees, the alarm would go off. Now, there's a reason. So this old boy comes. He looks like Cy, identical.
When he walked in, I thought, hey, and I was going to say Cy, but it wasn't Cy. It was a doppelganger. It was a refrigerator repairman. Can you imagine the size of a refrigerator repairman? And I was like, look, dude, this thing's brand new. Still under warranty. He said, that's the good news. And I said, I don't understand what, it's brand new. And he's like, they want to save the planet.
When he walked in, I thought, hey, and I was going to say Cy, but it wasn't Cy. It was a doppelganger. It was a refrigerator repairman. Can you imagine the size of a refrigerator repairman? And I was like, look, dude, this thing's brand new. Still under warranty. He said, that's the good news. And I said, I don't understand what, it's brand new. And he's like, they want to save the planet.
He said, they're all junk. This was this guy. That's what he'd done. And he worked on them. Yeah. And I said, well, what should I have bought? He said, the cheapest one you can find. The oldest one you could get. Well, the old ones, you know, or they say, destroying the planet. But it hit me in that moment. I thought, I have something that's brand new, and it won't function. It won't do its job.
He said, they're all junk. This was this guy. That's what he'd done. And he worked on them. Yeah. And I said, well, what should I have bought? He said, the cheapest one you can find. The oldest one you could get. Well, the old ones, you know, or they say, destroying the planet. But it hit me in that moment. I thought, I have something that's brand new, and it won't function. It won't do its job.
So you see the spiritual application I'm making here. when you're brand new, at some point you realize, I'm to be an imager. I have a function that God prepared for me to do. That's the difference. So, I mean, I think it's important.
So you see the spiritual application I'm making here. when you're brand new, at some point you realize, I'm to be an imager. I have a function that God prepared for me to do. That's the difference. So, I mean, I think it's important.
Yeah, it's kind of like you're new to the faith and all of a sudden you read people from the past who were willing to give their life rather than deny the reality of who Jesus is.
Yeah, it's kind of like you're new to the faith and all of a sudden you read people from the past who were willing to give their life rather than deny the reality of who Jesus is.
I didn't know how this thing was going down, which I realized during the process, my son is way more romantic than... Me or pretty much any guy.
I didn't know how this thing was going down, which I realized during the process, my son is way more romantic than... Me or pretty much any guy.
It's a low bar. But then we had to move everything up because the storm. We're looking at the radar, you know. Oh, right, because there's another. Well, the wind was blowing 40, 50 miles an hour during the night. Missy had cleaned the house, the remaining part as well. But when we walked in, my daughter and I flew into Nashville, and long story.
It's a low bar. But then we had to move everything up because the storm. We're looking at the radar, you know. Oh, right, because there's another. Well, the wind was blowing 40, 50 miles an hour during the night. Missy had cleaned the house, the remaining part as well. But when we walked in, my daughter and I flew into Nashville, and long story.
Yeah. And, I mean, to go back to our point, I think the difference in the Son of God is all these other sons of God, if you want to use that phrase. Because it is translated. It's in there a lot.
Yeah. And, I mean, to go back to our point, I think the difference in the Son of God is all these other sons of God, if you want to use that phrase. Because it is translated. It's in there a lot.
They were created, and Jesus was the one doing the creating. I mean, you say, well, what about when he became flesh? Well, he became flesh. He's versatile. Exactly. But he is the creator, which is why I think John makes that point when he says, through him, John 1, 3, all things were made, without him nothing was. was made that has been made. But I do think there is a heavenly host.
They were created, and Jesus was the one doing the creating. I mean, you say, well, what about when he became flesh? Well, he became flesh. He's versatile. Exactly. But he is the creator, which is why I think John makes that point when he says, through him, John 1, 3, all things were made, without him nothing was. was made that has been made. But I do think there is a heavenly host.
There, there's another phrase that's there. And I think they had a choice just like we do.
There, there's another phrase that's there. And I think they had a choice just like we do.
And Missy was already there because the anticipation was just, oh, I mean, this was like. Women love this.
And Missy was already there because the anticipation was just, oh, I mean, this was like. Women love this.
Yeah, I was just making the point that, I mean, when you look at the sons of God and the son of God, I mean, to me, it's like God loves family. He has a celestial family with jobs to do. And he has a human family. Same thing. I mean, we are to image our creator. But that's why there's a lot of obscure passages that we never read. I was just looking back. I was trying to find this.
Yeah, I was just making the point that, I mean, when you look at the sons of God and the son of God, I mean, to me, it's like God loves family. He has a celestial family with jobs to do. And he has a human family. Same thing. I mean, we are to image our creator. But that's why there's a lot of obscure passages that we never read. I was just looking back. I was trying to find this.
In 1 Kings 22, this will be, I wouldn't use this as a morning devo, but if you just want to say, huh, there's this weird conversation about these kings trying to consult with prophets to see if God, is in their favor or what to do. And just to give you a thumbnail of it, I was actually talking about this with my assistant on my events. And she was like, that's in the Bible? I was like, yeah.
In 1 Kings 22, this will be, I wouldn't use this as a morning devo, but if you just want to say, huh, there's this weird conversation about these kings trying to consult with prophets to see if God, is in their favor or what to do. And just to give you a thumbnail of it, I was actually talking about this with my assistant on my events. And she was like, that's in the Bible? I was like, yeah.
And it's 1 Kings 22, and this King Jehoshaphat, he was like wanting to get a prophecy, but he's, and I'll just pick it up. in verse 18, but he says, the king of Israel said to Joseph, didn't I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad, which is funny.
And it's 1 Kings 22, and this King Jehoshaphat, he was like wanting to get a prophecy, but he's, and I'll just pick it up. in verse 18, but he says, the king of Israel said to Joseph, didn't I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad, which is funny.
They're like, let's see what the Lord's prophet, and he's like, I don't want to get him because every time he tells me something, there's nothing good about me. And then this I'm going to say that, Micaiah. Continue, this is 19. Therefore, hear the word of the Lord. And watch what he says. I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the hosts of heaven.
They're like, let's see what the Lord's prophet, and he's like, I don't want to get him because every time he tells me something, there's nothing good about me. And then this I'm going to say that, Micaiah. Continue, this is 19. Therefore, hear the word of the Lord. And watch what he says. I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the hosts of heaven.
Here's the heavenly host standing around him on his right and on his left, which Revelation uses the same kind of imagery. And the Lord said, who will entice Ahab into attacking Ahab? So the Lord's like wanting to take Ahab out here. But he's like, it's not like God doesn't know what's going on, but he uses this, if you want to use Zach's word, counsel. for a conversation of these spirits.
Here's the heavenly host standing around him on his right and on his left, which Revelation uses the same kind of imagery. And the Lord said, who will entice Ahab into attacking Ahab? So the Lord's like wanting to take Ahab out here. But he's like, it's not like God doesn't know what's going on, but he uses this, if you want to use Zach's word, counsel. for a conversation of these spirits.
And look, one suggested this and another that. So it's like some kind of heavenly conversation, which they have a job to do, we're assuming, with humans and, I guess, from a distance. So finally, a spirit came forward. Now, this is this vision of the heavenly host that this fellow is describing. Stood before the Lord and said, well, I'll entice him.
And look, one suggested this and another that. So it's like some kind of heavenly conversation, which they have a job to do, we're assuming, with humans and, I guess, from a distance. So finally, a spirit came forward. Now, this is this vision of the heavenly host that this fellow is describing. Stood before the Lord and said, well, I'll entice him.
And by what means, the Lord asked, I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets, he said. And you're thinking right here, what? But watch what he says. You will succeed in enticing him, said the Lord. Go and do it. So the Lord put a lying spirit in the mouths of all those prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.
And by what means, the Lord asked, I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets, he said. And you're thinking right here, what? But watch what he says. You will succeed in enticing him, said the Lord. Go and do it. So the Lord put a lying spirit in the mouths of all those prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.
Yeah, one of my best friends told me before I went, he said, you're going to have to be real mindful of the situation that you're in. I did my best. But the bad thing was... That's a good friend telling you not too much. Just when you think of something funny. Let me see, clean this place up. I go out there, you know, and... We had met somewhere else when I landed.
Yeah, one of my best friends told me before I went, he said, you're going to have to be real mindful of the situation that you're in. I did my best. But the bad thing was... That's a good friend telling you not too much. Just when you think of something funny. Let me see, clean this place up. I go out there, you know, and... We had met somewhere else when I landed.
So basically, the story goes, they go out and say, hey, the Lord said, go down here and you're good. That's what it's probably, but it wasn't true. I mean, there's so many things to, but just the idea that this story comes up is just because we've never seen the heavenly hosts and these sons of God, but we're familiar with angels and
So basically, the story goes, they go out and say, hey, the Lord said, go down here and you're good. That's what it's probably, but it wasn't true. I mean, there's so many things to, but just the idea that this story comes up is just because we've never seen the heavenly hosts and these sons of God, but we're familiar with angels and
I mean, there's a whole spiritual world out there, especially when you get to books like Ephesians that says, you know, our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but the rulers, the powers, the authority, spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. So it is a thing. But what is unique about Jesus is he is, in essence, God becoming a human.
I mean, there's a whole spiritual world out there, especially when you get to books like Ephesians that says, you know, our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but the rulers, the powers, the authority, spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. So it is a thing. But what is unique about Jesus is he is, in essence, God becoming a human.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Oh, I think you're right. I think we've missed an important part of what Jesus' death and resurrection did because we're so atonement-centered. We're like, it's all about the sins. It's all about the fall of man. But it's also about disarming and ultimately defeating sin.
Oh, I think you're right. I think we've missed an important part of what Jesus' death and resurrection did because we're so atonement-centered. We're like, it's all about the sins. It's all about the fall of man. But it's also about disarming and ultimately defeating sin.
all the celestial powers that have made their decision and are opposed to God and are who, you know, a lot of them have been hurled to the earth and are doing mischief. I mean, and I think this theme comes up. I didn't just bring it up out of the blue.
all the celestial powers that have made their decision and are opposed to God and are who, you know, a lot of them have been hurled to the earth and are doing mischief. I mean, and I think this theme comes up. I didn't just bring it up out of the blue.
When he gets to the end to John 3, and he's talking about this light and darkness, and when he was talking about this heavenly versus the earthly, well, who is described as earthly? Well, think about when it says earthly wisdom in James 3, and it says earthly, worldly wisdom. James 3, 15, talking about, watch what it says in verse 14.
When he gets to the end to John 3, and he's talking about this light and darkness, and when he was talking about this heavenly versus the earthly, well, who is described as earthly? Well, think about when it says earthly wisdom in James 3, and it says earthly, worldly wisdom. James 3, 15, talking about, watch what it says in verse 14.
Oh, we all went to kind of a little private restaurant thing at some golf place or whatever. And I actually met an excellent human being. He's an NFL football player and a believer. So that was good. And so when we get to our little home, Missy goes in there. opens the first drawer. I'm not sure why she opened the drawer. Just right there in the kitchen.
Oh, we all went to kind of a little private restaurant thing at some golf place or whatever. And I actually met an excellent human being. He's an NFL football player and a believer. So that was good. And so when we get to our little home, Missy goes in there. opens the first drawer. I'm not sure why she opened the drawer. Just right there in the kitchen.
If you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it, deny the truth. Such wisdom does not come from heaven, but is earthly, unspiritual, and look at that, of the devil. Yeah. Right. So that's why when you get to passages like Colossians 2, and he talks about we've been given fullness in Christ, and he talks about Christ cutting off the sinful nature.
If you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it, deny the truth. Such wisdom does not come from heaven, but is earthly, unspiritual, and look at that, of the devil. Yeah. Right. So that's why when you get to passages like Colossians 2, and he talks about we've been given fullness in Christ, and he talks about Christ cutting off the sinful nature.
Remember, you know, in verse 12, and he likes it to circumcision, you know, having been raised with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God or the working of God, he raised from the dead. And then it's Talking about sins when it says, when you were dead in your sins, God made you alive. He forgave us all our sins.
Remember, you know, in verse 12, and he likes it to circumcision, you know, having been raised with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God or the working of God, he raised from the dead. And then it's Talking about sins when it says, when you were dead in your sins, God made you alive. He forgave us all our sins.
It's like he's living in a different society parallel. I was like, crack staff.
It's like he's living in a different society parallel. I was like, crack staff.
But watch this pivot when he says, having canceled the written code with its regulations that was against us. This is Colossians 2.14. He took it away, nailed it to the cross. And then watch this phrase. Having disarmed the powers. And authorities, he made a public spectacle of them triumphing over them by the cross. Well, who's he talking about?
But watch this pivot when he says, having canceled the written code with its regulations that was against us. This is Colossians 2.14. He took it away, nailed it to the cross. And then watch this phrase. Having disarmed the powers. And authorities, he made a public spectacle of them triumphing over them by the cross. Well, who's he talking about?
He's talking about all these beings and their powers that have been hurled down to the earth. And even the evil one who is deemed Lord of the dead, the realm of the dead. Which is why you have Hebrews 2.14, which Jesus' work on the cross, remember what it says, destroyed his work, who held all these humans in slavery by their fear of death.
He's talking about all these beings and their powers that have been hurled down to the earth. And even the evil one who is deemed Lord of the dead, the realm of the dead. Which is why you have Hebrews 2.14, which Jesus' work on the cross, remember what it says, destroyed his work, who held all these humans in slavery by their fear of death.
And a mouse about four inches long just jumped straight up in front of her face. That's why I said it felt like an episode. I mean, how does this happen?
And a mouse about four inches long just jumped straight up in front of her face. That's why I said it felt like an episode. I mean, how does this happen?
Oh, she just lost it. And I think it was all the drama, and now she's face-to-face with the beast, which I thought was kind of funny. It's very funny. But I looked around. Not so much to her. Saw a few droppings here and there. From Missy or the mouse? No, from the mouse. I thought you meant she was really frightened. Remember that time I told you the story on this podcast?
Oh, she just lost it. And I think it was all the drama, and now she's face-to-face with the beast, which I thought was kind of funny. It's very funny. But I looked around. Not so much to her. Saw a few droppings here and there. From Missy or the mouse? No, from the mouse. I thought you meant she was really frightened. Remember that time I told you the story on this podcast?
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. At the end of the day, it goes back about God being relational, which is why he is three-dimensional. When you trace that back and say, okay, God wanted to use other beings, he is relational. He creates them in the celestial world and in the human world, and he uses those relationships To help promote his image. That's right.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. At the end of the day, it goes back about God being relational, which is why he is three-dimensional. When you trace that back and say, okay, God wanted to use other beings, he is relational. He creates them in the celestial world and in the human world, and he uses those relationships To help promote his image. That's right.
And so, I mean, that's why Jesus came. That's why he's saying this. He didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it. And this results in God dwelling with other beings in a loving relationship.
And so, I mean, that's why Jesus came. That's why he's saying this. He didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it. And this results in God dwelling with other beings in a loving relationship.
Well, what's happened is I eradicated that problem in our storage room. With the two giant buckets of dead rats? I remember that. They just moved over. And now, because everything on my hill is gone. All the woods are gone.
Well, what's happened is I eradicated that problem in our storage room. With the two giant buckets of dead rats? I remember that. They just moved over. And now, because everything on my hill is gone. All the woods are gone.
They've all moved. And it's not just that. In fact, well, now the wind's blowing. They got all this temporary roof and, you know, all kind of things to keep the water out of what's remaining. When we try to go to sleep, and, you know, we have a little fan that works as a sound barrier so you can sleep.
They've all moved. And it's not just that. In fact, well, now the wind's blowing. They got all this temporary roof and, you know, all kind of things to keep the water out of what's remaining. When we try to go to sleep, and, you know, we have a little fan that works as a sound barrier so you can sleep.
When I woke up, because I dozed off, but then I woke up because I was dreaming that I was in a rocket ship coming through the Earth's atmosphere. And then I realized it's the 50-mile-an-hour wind on the house. It was undoable. So I finally eased back to sleep, and then I went Jack Elam where one of my eyes opened because I realized there's something crawling on me.
When I woke up, because I dozed off, but then I woke up because I was dreaming that I was in a rocket ship coming through the Earth's atmosphere. And then I realized it's the 50-mile-an-hour wind on the house. It was undoable. So I finally eased back to sleep, and then I went Jack Elam where one of my eyes opened because I realized there's something crawling on me.
And it's in a region that you don't want things crawling. Oh, boy. And so I just, you know, and I never, I didn't realize at the time when it was, but I thought I had killed it. And so then I went and tried to get some sleep, but it was pretty miserable. And so the next morning when we got up, which I might have got two or three hours, Missy got less than that. It was a dead beetle.
And it's in a region that you don't want things crawling. Oh, boy. And so I just, you know, and I never, I didn't realize at the time when it was, but I thought I had killed it. And so then I went and tried to get some sleep, but it was pretty miserable. And so the next morning when we got up, which I might have got two or three hours, Missy got less than that. It was a dead beetle.
I was on an adventure. You were? Yeah. It literally was like I was part of a Duck Dynasty episode with no cameras. But I felt that they were there because everything that happened just seemed like a movie. Isn't that something? Yeah. Like some weekend. I think you would only feel that way if you'd been on television.
I was on an adventure. You were? Yeah. It literally was like I was part of a Duck Dynasty episode with no cameras. But I felt that they were there because everything that happened just seemed like a movie. Isn't that something? Yeah. Like some weekend. I think you would only feel that way if you'd been on television.
When I got up, it was just a dead, like a beetle. Yeah. Crawling up my leg.
When I got up, it was just a dead, like a beetle. Yeah. Crawling up my leg.
So we moved. We had a company move. We had a camp out at Reed and Brighton's with the three grandkids. Which actually, based on the night we had had, it was like we were staying in some nice resort. Swanky resort. Once a few kids hollered. So anyway, Cole, he did the proposal out at the farm. He had decorated the porch, you know. And then we met up with the family, which we had never met.
So we moved. We had a company move. We had a camp out at Reed and Brighton's with the three grandkids. Which actually, based on the night we had had, it was like we were staying in some nice resort. Swanky resort. Once a few kids hollered. So anyway, Cole, he did the proposal out at the farm. He had decorated the porch, you know. And then we met up with the family, which we had never met.
And when she walked in, she pulled up, which she knew when she pulled up because she saw all her family's vehicles. So it wasn't that, like, that surprise was what she wanted.
And when she walked in, she pulled up, which she knew when she pulled up because she saw all her family's vehicles. So it wasn't that, like, that surprise was what she wanted.
I felt bad about that because, you know, when you're there, we were presenting and all that. It was like, hey, how you doing? I mean, that was it. It was just, we only had a minute. Oh, she's just a high-quality human being. But when she came in, they had this sign, and I looked at it, I read it. It said, love is in full bloom. I just thought, wow.
I felt bad about that because, you know, when you're there, we were presenting and all that. It was like, hey, how you doing? I mean, that was it. It was just, we only had a minute. Oh, she's just a high-quality human being. But when she came in, they had this sign, and I looked at it, I read it. It said, love is in full bloom. I just thought, wow.
It's a phrase that I've never used. I've never used nor seen.
It's a phrase that I've never used. I've never used nor seen.
No, I think that was Brighton. Yeah. So look, the backstory. So the C story was Reed had gone to get the cake.
No, I think that was Brighton. Yeah. So look, the backstory. So the C story was Reed had gone to get the cake.
So Reed had gone to get the cake. So Reed's got three kids, three, two, and one. He has the kids. He goes and picks the cake. I mean, gets all the kids out. Because, you know, Brighton's making the home. Is this the B story or the C story? The meeting was at Reed and Brighton's. No, this is the C story. Okay. We have the battle. Okay. At the hill. So that would have been the A story. Oh, yeah.
So Reed had gone to get the cake. So Reed's got three kids, three, two, and one. He has the kids. He goes and picks the cake. I mean, gets all the kids out. Because, you know, Brighton's making the home. Is this the B story or the C story? The meeting was at Reed and Brighton's. No, this is the C story. Okay. We have the battle. Okay. At the hill. So that would have been the A story. Oh, yeah.
Then we have the engagement. Well, no, the engagement was the A story. That's the A story. Yeah. And then the C story is Reed going, and he's the errand boy.
Then we have the engagement. Well, no, the engagement was the A story. That's the A story. Yeah. And then the C story is Reed going, and he's the errand boy.
This is it.
This is it.
This is how it happens. Organically.
This is how it happens. Organically.
So Reed goes and gets the cake. You know, you have one job. You go get the cake. But you have three small kids. I see where this is going. Put a camera in there. Put a camera.
So Reed goes and gets the cake. You know, you have one job. You go get the cake. But you have three small kids. I see where this is going. Put a camera in there. Put a camera.
I went to a little place called Nashville, Tennessee. Oh, the eastern layer for Jace.
I went to a little place called Nashville, Tennessee. Oh, the eastern layer for Jace.
Reed goes in, unloads the kids. He goes in there, gets the cake. Well, he puts the cake in between the two car seats. In between the two kids. So look, he gets back, you know, gets out, no problem. You know, everything's going. So now, They had the cake. They popped the top on the cake, and it looks like Freddy Krueger. has just scraped all the ice. It's just fingerprints.
Reed goes in, unloads the kids. He goes in there, gets the cake. Well, he puts the cake in between the two car seats. In between the two kids. So look, he gets back, you know, gets out, no problem. You know, everything's going. So now, They had the cake. They popped the top on the cake, and it looks like Freddy Krueger. has just scraped all the ice. It's just fingerprints.
Well, here's after the investigation and the question of how did you not wonder why our three-year-old had all this icing everywhere? And look, so sneakily that the two-year-old didn't even realize it happened.
Well, here's after the investigation and the question of how did you not wonder why our three-year-old had all this icing everywhere? And look, so sneakily that the two-year-old didn't even realize it happened.
It was epic. I was there.
It was epic. I was there.
Sneakily. Yeah. Look it up. Look it up. It's a word. It's a great Scrabble word. It's got the K. All seven letters, whatever. So, attach your seven letters to the S. That's a full way.
Sneakily. Yeah. Look it up. Look it up. It's a word. It's a great Scrabble word. It's got the K. All seven letters, whatever. So, attach your seven letters to the S. That's a full way.
I took it as a challenge.
I took it as a challenge.
Oh, I know. You just lost your turn in a furtive or sly way. Do you want to challenge furtive while we're at it?
Oh, I know. You just lost your turn in a furtive or sly way. Do you want to challenge furtive while we're at it?
I won. Jay's wins. So, uh, yeah. So she had, she had destroyed the cake. So Reed had to go get another cake, like right before the arrival. Now we have drama. There's storms. And so then they get there and, uh, When they walked in, though, it was the line by his fiancée. She said, I'm so happy. I looked around. Every woman's tears were streaming down their faces. I thought it was incredible.
I won. Jay's wins. So, uh, yeah. So she had, she had destroyed the cake. So Reed had to go get another cake, like right before the arrival. Now we have drama. There's storms. And so then they get there and, uh, When they walked in, though, it was the line by his fiancée. She said, I'm so happy. I looked around. Every woman's tears were streaming down their faces. I thought it was incredible.
I thought, where are the cameras? I mean, just screaming. When he actually asked her this. No, no. They had already asked. They had their little deal. She just walked in and said, I'm so happy. You know, because it was like all the family. Yeah. And I looked around. I was like, every woman was just pouring tears out. I was just shocked by that. Yeah.
I thought, where are the cameras? I mean, just screaming. When he actually asked her this. No, no. They had already asked. They had their little deal. She just walked in and said, I'm so happy. You know, because it was like all the family. Yeah. And I looked around. I was like, every woman was just pouring tears out. I was just shocked by that. Yeah.
Yeah, and while that happened, the Florida baseball team got swept by a little place called Tennessee. All the Vol fans out there are cheering, Zach. They're cheering now. Anyway, my son, my remaining single son. Oh, that's right. I was hoping to hear this story. Oh, Al. Love is in the air.
Yeah, and while that happened, the Florida baseball team got swept by a little place called Tennessee. All the Vol fans out there are cheering, Zach. They're cheering now. Anyway, my son, my remaining single son. Oh, that's right. I was hoping to hear this story. Oh, Al. Love is in the air.
And so then they told the story on the storms are raging. He gets down on one knee and proposes. And for five minutes, it. The sky is part of it. The sun. Oh, boy. Literally. They said, this happened.
And so then they told the story on the storms are raging. He gets down on one knee and proposes. And for five minutes, it. The sky is part of it. The sun. Oh, boy. Literally. They said, this happened.
But then we all kind of gave a few words of wisdom, gathered up, you know, and then got to know the new family. New in-laws. Reed had gotten the new cake in time, you know. It was. Oh, so he did get a new cake. He had to go get a new cake. Yeah. Well, we were actually, when we were pulling up, he was pulling out. There was a car behind me.
But then we all kind of gave a few words of wisdom, gathered up, you know, and then got to know the new family. New in-laws. Reed had gotten the new cake in time, you know. It was. Oh, so he did get a new cake. He had to go get a new cake. Yeah. Well, we were actually, when we were pulling up, he was pulling out. There was a car behind me.
So I was like, hey, you know, I'm not going to hold up traffic. He just rolled his window down just standing there because he was angry that his daughter had destroyed it. And I was like, well, why would you put the cake in between the two?
So I was like, hey, you know, I'm not going to hold up traffic. He just rolled his window down just standing there because he was angry that his daughter had destroyed it. And I was like, well, why would you put the cake in between the two?
So that's what I did. Love was in the air. Did you cry, Jace?
So that's what I did. Love was in the air. Did you cry, Jace?
I mean, I got a little, what do you call it? I was a little like, wow, this is a little tingly, I guess. Because I was like, okay. Because I've asked him before. I was like, you know, so where are we at in this thing?
I mean, I got a little, what do you call it? I was a little like, wow, this is a little tingly, I guess. Because I was like, okay. Because I've asked him before. I was like, you know, so where are we at in this thing?
And he said, we're good. So I thought, well, I tried. Missy's like, talk to him. Make the move. Let's go. I was like, I talked to him. He said, we're good. So anyway, that was fun. Did Mia cry? They were all crying, Al. They all cried. It was incredible.
And he said, we're good. So I thought, well, I tried. Missy's like, talk to him. Make the move. Let's go. I was like, I talked to him. He said, we're good. So anyway, that was fun. Did Mia cry? They were all crying, Al. They all cried. It was incredible.
I am unashamed. What about you?
I am unashamed. What about you?
Yeah. You know, people can't people look. I don't think I don't like that the government has secrets either. But here's the thing. Some things have to remain secret that the government is doing. You got enemies, right? Well, you have enemies and you have a population who's going to respond in a way that is detrimental to. to society if you was to actually tell them what's going on.
Yeah. You know, people can't people look. I don't think I don't like that the government has secrets either. But here's the thing. Some things have to remain secret that the government is doing. You got enemies, right? Well, you have enemies and you have a population who's going to respond in a way that is detrimental to. to society if you was to actually tell them what's going on.
You tell me or you something bad is about to happen, well, we down here on the river, we don't give two rips. We're not going to go crazy and panic about it, right? We can take care of ourselves. But these people in these cities, man, if you was to tell them that there's some imminent threat and maybe that's the reason these drones are flying around, maybe it's because it's for your own safety.
You tell me or you something bad is about to happen, well, we down here on the river, we don't give two rips. We're not going to go crazy and panic about it, right? We can take care of ourselves. But these people in these cities, man, if you was to tell them that there's some imminent threat and maybe that's the reason these drones are flying around, maybe it's because it's for your own safety.
Well, you was to tell them that, what are they going to do? They're gonna lose their mind. Yeah, right.
Well, you was to tell them that, what are they going to do? They're gonna lose their mind. Yeah, right.
Well, I always side with Chad. This joker right here is sharp. It's a full circle moment for me. The first time I ever heard Chad was on the Unashamed podcast. Really? It really is.
Well, I always side with Chad. This joker right here is sharp. It's a full circle moment for me. The first time I ever heard Chad was on the Unashamed podcast. Really? It really is.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question. I try to identify most with my faith and with Christ. And the older I get, the longer I go into life, the less I identify with my military service or my running or anything as the Holy Spirit just continues that process of sanctification. I less and less really identify with even anything else in my past.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question. I try to identify most with my faith and with Christ. And the older I get, the longer I go into life, the less I identify with my military service or my running or anything as the Holy Spirit just continues that process of sanctification. I less and less really identify with even anything else in my past.
Well, my favorite race is actually what's called a last man standing race. And it's where a bunch of runners show up. There's a film on Amazon Prime, if you guys want to watch it, called Just One Mile. It's me doing this. Him winning it, by the way. Nobody can really beat me at it, but I don't mean to sound prideful or anything.
Well, my favorite race is actually what's called a last man standing race. And it's where a bunch of runners show up. There's a film on Amazon Prime, if you guys want to watch it, called Just One Mile. It's me doing this. Him winning it, by the way. Nobody can really beat me at it, but I don't mean to sound prideful or anything.
Yeah, about a hundred runners show up from all over the country and you run this one mile loop over and over again. And you got 20 minutes to complete the loop, but there's about 350 feet of climbing and descending in the loop, so it's super steep.
Yeah, about a hundred runners show up from all over the country and you run this one mile loop over and over again. And you got 20 minutes to complete the loop, but there's about 350 feet of climbing and descending in the loop, so it's super steep.
And you know you come in if you come in in 15 minutes Well, then you got five minutes to refill your water bottle get you a little food in your belly And then you got to be back on the line towing the line to go again And so I love these last man standing races. I think that one that the documentary was done on I think I ran for 33 34 hours straight something like that um, and uh
And you know you come in if you come in in 15 minutes Well, then you got five minutes to refill your water bottle get you a little food in your belly And then you got to be back on the line towing the line to go again And so I love these last man standing races. I think that one that the documentary was done on I think I ran for 33 34 hours straight something like that um, and uh
I just like that because I can really mess with people's mind, right? My mind is blown. You're running with these same people loop after loop, and you get down to the core group, and you look over at a guy, and you say, hey, man. You look like you're limping a little bit. Is your leg doing all right?
I just like that because I can really mess with people's mind, right? My mind is blown. You're running with these same people loop after loop, and you get down to the core group, and you look over at a guy, and you say, hey, man. You look like you're limping a little bit. Is your leg doing all right?
Well, his leg might be fine, but when you tell him he's limping and that his leg looks like it's a little off, he starts thinking, dang, my leg is kind of bothering me. And man, you just pick them off and you just really get to get in people's heads. So that's my favorite format. The longest I've ever ran is 250 miles. That was through the mountains of Arizona. But, yeah, I love to run.
Well, his leg might be fine, but when you tell him he's limping and that his leg looks like it's a little off, he starts thinking, dang, my leg is kind of bothering me. And man, you just pick them off and you just really get to get in people's heads. So that's my favorite format. The longest I've ever ran is 250 miles. That was through the mountains of Arizona. But, yeah, I love to run.
It's a it's been a wonderful avenue for me to challenge myself since I left the Navy. And and also it's been a thing that's given me this platform that I have. It's really the foundation of the platform that I have to where now. We're able to share the gospel. We're able to travel around and speak. Our faith is the foundational element of our business now and everything that we do. Yeah, man.
It's a it's been a wonderful avenue for me to challenge myself since I left the Navy. And and also it's been a thing that's given me this platform that I have. It's really the foundation of the platform that I have to where now. We're able to share the gospel. We're able to travel around and speak. Our faith is the foundational element of our business now and everything that we do. Yeah, man.
You know, I want to say something about Chad real quick, but you know, everybody focuses on Chad's military background on all the awesome stuff he's done and is doing, but yes, why are we friends? Well, we met and this man right here, He loves, his life is dedicated to loving people.
You know, I want to say something about Chad real quick, but you know, everybody focuses on Chad's military background on all the awesome stuff he's done and is doing, but yes, why are we friends? Well, we met and this man right here, He loves, his life is dedicated to loving people.
He loves and cares about people more on a higher level and on just a whole nother degree than any other person I've met in my life. And I don't think people talk about that part of him near as much. And that's one of the things that I'm worst at. Yeah.
He loves and cares about people more on a higher level and on just a whole nother degree than any other person I've met in my life. And I don't think people talk about that part of him near as much. And that's one of the things that I'm worst at. Yeah.
is loving and caring for people not that i don't love people i just i just want to be left alone right and that's kind of the background i came yeah we're loners and so he inspires me just just when i see how much he genuinely cares for people i mean he'll just send me a random text and tell me he loves me and hope i'm done i'm like what this guy's busier than i am yeah
is loving and caring for people not that i don't love people i just i just want to be left alone right and that's kind of the background i came yeah we're loners and so he inspires me just just when i see how much he genuinely cares for people i mean he'll just send me a random text and tell me he loves me and hope i'm done i'm like what this guy's busier than i am yeah
Oh, in 2012, the Navy sent me on a deployment. I spent a month or two in North Africa, and we had left North Africa, and we were rejockeying our gear in Germany. And they stuck us in this old, like, run-down, dingy barracks because we were just going to be there for a few weeks. And... A barracks is a building that people stay in. That's what we call it in the military, a barracks.
Oh, in 2012, the Navy sent me on a deployment. I spent a month or two in North Africa, and we had left North Africa, and we were rejockeying our gear in Germany. And they stuck us in this old, like, run-down, dingy barracks because we were just going to be there for a few weeks. And... A barracks is a building that people stay in. That's what we call it in the military, a barracks.
And it was empty. It was just me and a couple other guys staying in there. And just to make a long story short, this place was inhabited by some sort of evil spirit. And we began experiencing some pretty scary things. Me and the three guys that I was with were in there. And to the point that eventually we were all sleeping in the same room together.
And it was empty. It was just me and a couple other guys staying in there. And just to make a long story short, this place was inhabited by some sort of evil spirit. And we began experiencing some pretty scary things. Me and the three guys that I was with were in there. And to the point that eventually we were all sleeping in the same room together.
because we were so freaked out about what we were experiencing. You could feel it. What was happening? So the initial thing, I was laying in my bed one night, something slammed, hit my door, and it jolted me awake out of sleep. And then I could hear voices echoing up and down the hallway. of this building, big long hallways. I'd heard it was used to house Holocaust victims.
because we were so freaked out about what we were experiencing. You could feel it. What was happening? So the initial thing, I was laying in my bed one night, something slammed, hit my door, and it jolted me awake out of sleep. And then I could hear voices echoing up and down the hallway. of this building, big long hallways. I'd heard it was used to house Holocaust victims.
It dated all the way back to World War II. And I woke up, my roommate was asleep, looked in the hallway, nobody was there, went to the guys across the hallway, they were dead asleep. And I thought, okay, that's strange. So it was a lot of... Bumps in the nights, the oven turned on one time. But even more so, it was a feeling.
It dated all the way back to World War II. And I woke up, my roommate was asleep, looked in the hallway, nobody was there, went to the guys across the hallway, they were dead asleep. And I thought, okay, that's strange. So it was a lot of... Bumps in the nights, the oven turned on one time. But even more so, it was a feeling.
It was a presence that was so oppressive that when I would walk into this place, there was a stairwell. I'd walk up the stairwell and then it turned back up to a landing. We were staying on the second deck and I could feel something staring at me. You know, we have that instinct to just like an animal. And I would fully expect to turn around and look up at that landing and see something up there.
It was a presence that was so oppressive that when I would walk into this place, there was a stairwell. I'd walk up the stairwell and then it turned back up to a landing. We were staying on the second deck and I could feel something staring at me. You know, we have that instinct to just like an animal. And I would fully expect to turn around and look up at that landing and see something up there.
Anyways, we got to our wits end on this thing, and I called my little brother. I wasn't a Christian, man. I didn't want God. Would not have ever chose God, I don't believe. I actually believe that since I was a good guy, I was a Navy SEAL, right? I was serving my country. I was doing a hard job.
Anyways, we got to our wits end on this thing, and I called my little brother. I wasn't a Christian, man. I didn't want God. Would not have ever chose God, I don't believe. I actually believe that since I was a good guy, I was a Navy SEAL, right? I was serving my country. I was doing a hard job.
If I was a good guy, that if there was a God, if I got killed, he's going to send me to the good place, of course. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? What a lie that was. You know what I mean? And so I called my little brother because I knew my little brother was a Christian. I said, look, man, we have encountered something here that is outside of our knowledge of warfare.
If I was a good guy, that if there was a God, if I got killed, he's going to send me to the good place, of course. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? What a lie that was. You know what I mean? And so I called my little brother because I knew my little brother was a Christian. I said, look, man, we have encountered something here that is outside of our knowledge of warfare.
I don't know how to combat this thing.
I don't know how to combat this thing.
Exactly. Exactly. And I said, Blake, you know, can you help me with this? And he said, let me let me put you in touch with my pastor. That pastor called me the same day on a little flip phone I had. And I told the pastor what was going on. And that pastor said, oh, it ain't no big deal. I said, what are you talking about, man? No, this is a big deal.
Exactly. Exactly. And I said, Blake, you know, can you help me with this? And he said, let me let me put you in touch with my pastor. That pastor called me the same day on a little flip phone I had. And I told the pastor what was going on. And that pastor said, oh, it ain't no big deal. I said, what are you talking about, man? No, this is a big deal.
We got four Navy SEALs sleeping in the same room together. Something's going on here, man. Yeah. And he said, no, don't worry about it. He said, put me on speakerphone. And he said, I want you to just walk up and down the hallways of this place. And he said, I'm going to pray. So I said, all right, this is foolish, but I'm at my wit's end here. And I walk around this place. He prays.
We got four Navy SEALs sleeping in the same room together. Something's going on here, man. Yeah. And he said, no, don't worry about it. He said, put me on speakerphone. And he said, I want you to just walk up and down the hallways of this place. And he said, I'm going to pray. So I said, all right, this is foolish, but I'm at my wit's end here. And I walk around this place. He prays.
He's praying in the name of Jesus. He says, go now to the room you're staying in there. He said, you got some olive oil? I said, yeah. He said, take a little. Just a dab of that olive oil. He said, just dab it right there above the doorway of your room. I said, okay, man, that's it. Nothing happened. No spirits descended or doves started. Nothing. He said, yeah, that's it, man.
He's praying in the name of Jesus. He says, go now to the room you're staying in there. He said, you got some olive oil? I said, yeah. He said, take a little. Just a dab of that olive oil. He said, just dab it right there above the doorway of your room. I said, okay, man, that's it. Nothing happened. No spirits descended or doves started. Nothing. He said, yeah, that's it, man.
We wound down that night, laid in bed. Total peace had just returned to this place. Whatever that thing was, I don't even know what it was, why it was there, how it got there. I'm not here to explain that. But whatever that thing was, was gone. And so I am no fool. So I said, there's some power here. And so I got my hands on a Bible and I started reading in the book of Matthew.
We wound down that night, laid in bed. Total peace had just returned to this place. Whatever that thing was, I don't even know what it was, why it was there, how it got there. I'm not here to explain that. But whatever that thing was, was gone. And so I am no fool. So I said, there's some power here. And so I got my hands on a Bible and I started reading in the book of Matthew.
And the first thing that I realized when I started reading God's word for the first time was, first thing I realized was what a wretched human I was. That old thing about how I was a good person, right? I was doing a good job, a hard thing. If I die, surely I'll go to the good place.
And the first thing that I realized when I started reading God's word for the first time was, first thing I realized was what a wretched human I was. That old thing about how I was a good person, right? I was doing a good job, a hard thing. If I die, surely I'll go to the good place.
If there is a good place, I realized, no, man, when you get to the Sermon on the Mount and you get there right quick and you get to the Beatitudes and you get to the Sermon on the Mount, you say, I'm screwed.
If there is a good place, I realized, no, man, when you get to the Sermon on the Mount and you get there right quick and you get to the Beatitudes and you get to the Sermon on the Mount, you say, I'm screwed.
If this is true, I am screwed. That's right. Right? Yeah. And as I went, the Holy Spirit revealed to me the truth of the gospel and showed me why I needed Christ. And I received a gift of salvation just to... Just maybe a week or so after. Was it at those barracks? Yeah, at the same barracks. Received a gift of salvation.
If this is true, I am screwed. That's right. Right? Yeah. And as I went, the Holy Spirit revealed to me the truth of the gospel and showed me why I needed Christ. And I received a gift of salvation just to... Just maybe a week or so after. Was it at those barracks? Yeah, at the same barracks. Received a gift of salvation.
And it's the one, I think it's the one that we leverage the least. That's right. It's like, I don't know about you guys, but I love reading my Bible. I mean, I could read my Bible for hours a day, but it's hard to pray a lot of times. You know, you talk about, well, I want to read my Bible.
And it's the one, I think it's the one that we leverage the least. That's right. It's like, I don't know about you guys, but I love reading my Bible. I mean, I could read my Bible for hours a day, but it's hard to pray a lot of times. You know, you talk about, well, I want to read my Bible.
Well, it takes a long time to get to the point, and the Lord leads you there, to where you can sit down and pray for hours. I mean, how often do you do that? And it's the most powerful tool that God, and what a gift. We have access to God through Jesus Christ. And we don't leverage that.
Well, it takes a long time to get to the point, and the Lord leads you there, to where you can sit down and pray for hours. I mean, how often do you do that? And it's the most powerful tool that God, and what a gift. We have access to God through Jesus Christ. And we don't leverage that.
We leverage that gift, what, three minutes a day in the morning and five seconds at a little prayer around dinner? I've got to the point. You know, my family, we got stuck in the hole. We sit down to eat dinner and it's a thank you, Lord, for this food. Amen. I'm done with that. If we have time to pray, by gosh, we are going to pray.
We leverage that gift, what, three minutes a day in the morning and five seconds at a little prayer around dinner? I've got to the point. You know, my family, we got stuck in the hole. We sit down to eat dinner and it's a thank you, Lord, for this food. Amen. I'm done with that. If we have time to pray, by gosh, we are going to pray.
And we're going to take it seriously because it's the most powerful tool that the Lord has gifted us with.
And we're going to take it seriously because it's the most powerful tool that the Lord has gifted us with.
I mean, I'd say the most logical answer to that question is, how has it not changed me? My wife won't mind me telling this, but my wife's a recovering addict, and And we had a lot of rough, rough times. And Jason and I were talking about this at dinner last night. It's the power of the Holy Spirit that enabled me to forgive her for that period of her life. And how has it changed me?
I mean, I'd say the most logical answer to that question is, how has it not changed me? My wife won't mind me telling this, but my wife's a recovering addict, and And we had a lot of rough, rough times. And Jason and I were talking about this at dinner last night. It's the power of the Holy Spirit that enabled me to forgive her for that period of her life. And how has it changed me?
In my opinion, the best way that we... can attempt to represent or emulate Christ in our lives is by way of selflessness. You know, you ask any special operations guy, what's the number one characteristic you want to see in a teammate? It's selflessness. It's not proficiency. It's not shooting. It's not physical fitness. It's selflessness. And that's how we...
In my opinion, the best way that we... can attempt to represent or emulate Christ in our lives is by way of selflessness. You know, you ask any special operations guy, what's the number one characteristic you want to see in a teammate? It's selflessness. It's not proficiency. It's not shooting. It's not physical fitness. It's selflessness. And that's how we...
Get to image Christ is through selflessness. And so it's changed me in that way. In terms of my marriage, I look at the, you know, the foundational mission of my life in terms of actionable steps is is leading people. God's daughter home, leading my wife home and being selfless to her and imaging Christ to her, uh, along that journey.
Get to image Christ is through selflessness. And so it's changed me in that way. In terms of my marriage, I look at the, you know, the foundational mission of my life in terms of actionable steps is is leading people. God's daughter home, leading my wife home and being selfless to her and imaging Christ to her, uh, along that journey.
And so that, that obviously bleeds into every aspect of that relationship. And it's changed everything for me. And let me go ahead and tell you right now, I'm not perfect at it. And, um, And I still make a lot of mistakes and I still struggle with certain sins and things like this and even sometimes succumb to them. So don't think that I'm sitting here saying I'm a perfect husband.
And so that, that obviously bleeds into every aspect of that relationship. And it's changed everything for me. And let me go ahead and tell you right now, I'm not perfect at it. And, um, And I still make a lot of mistakes and I still struggle with certain sins and things like this and even sometimes succumb to them. So don't think that I'm sitting here saying I'm a perfect husband.
But that's the number one thing that I want to do is I want to lead people. his daughter home. And I'm so thankful that God has gifted me with his daughter and put her under my care. I mean, what a responsibility that he entrusts us with. And my job is to die. That is my job. And I'll never completely do it. Yeah. Because my old self, boy, it rears its ugly head so many times, man, all the time.
But that's the number one thing that I want to do is I want to lead people. his daughter home. And I'm so thankful that God has gifted me with his daughter and put her under my care. I mean, what a responsibility that he entrusts us with. And my job is to die. That is my job. And I'll never completely do it. Yeah. Because my old self, boy, it rears its ugly head so many times, man, all the time.
But, man, I know my job is to die. Thanks be to Christ, right? Yes.
But, man, I know my job is to die. Thanks be to Christ, right? Yes.
He not only gave his life for us because we can wrap our mind around that. As warriors, we understand a man, it's not that big of a deal for us to think that a man would give his life for another man or for somebody that they loved or cared about. No, he didn't just give his life for us. What Christ did is he took the sin of all of humanity upon himself and literally bore that on the cross.
He not only gave his life for us because we can wrap our mind around that. As warriors, we understand a man, it's not that big of a deal for us to think that a man would give his life for another man or for somebody that they loved or cared about. No, he didn't just give his life for us. What Christ did is he took the sin of all of humanity upon himself and literally bore that on the cross.
In one moment. In one moment. And that separated him in some way, shape, or form from the Father. And that was like the biggest moment of we can't understand what that felt like.
In one moment. In one moment. And that separated him in some way, shape, or form from the Father. And that was like the biggest moment of we can't understand what that felt like.
We can understand a man giving his life for a man. That ain't no big deal. But we can't understand what the weight of the sin of all humanity feels like. How that crushes you. I mean, it's just incomprehensible.
We can understand a man giving his life for a man. That ain't no big deal. But we can't understand what the weight of the sin of all humanity feels like. How that crushes you. I mean, it's just incomprehensible.
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I like it.
I like it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a Chad-a-da.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a Chad-a-da.
I'm going to tell you, I'll come to whatever you call me. I'm not too picky.
I'm going to tell you, I'll come to whatever you call me. I'm not too picky.
If you live in Louisiana and you have shoes. So you think, oh, they're slippers.
If you live in Louisiana and you have shoes. So you think, oh, they're slippers.
Yeah, but it's like a P-Row. I wouldn't say I'm going to go jump in a lake with them.
Yeah, but it's like a P-Row. I wouldn't say I'm going to go jump in a lake with them.
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Oh, I'm taking out the garbage. Guess what? I don't have to take my slippers off. And the reason I call them slippers is because when you squirrel hunt, you have to slip and be quiet. Which is why dad hunted in socks. And he passed that on to me. The problem is there's a thorn issue. Yeah. That, remember, he would spend countless hours.
Oh, I'm taking out the garbage. Guess what? I don't have to take my slippers off. And the reason I call them slippers is because when you squirrel hunt, you have to slip and be quiet. Which is why dad hunted in socks. And he passed that on to me. The problem is there's a thorn issue. Yeah. That, remember, he would spend countless hours.
There was a pattern. He would shoot the squirrels, clean the squirrels, okay, before she started preparing to cook the squirrels, or he would cook them also.
There was a pattern. He would shoot the squirrels, clean the squirrels, okay, before she started preparing to cook the squirrels, or he would cook them also.
Zach, when I see you, I think, that guy, he is a pure talker. There you go.
Zach, when I see you, I think, that guy, he is a pure talker. There you go.
Is that a joke? What have you not eaten? Squirrel? I'm not a big fan of it. I would put that at the top of all rodents that you could eat. Do you eat squirrel brains? No, but my mom did.
Is that a joke? What have you not eaten? Squirrel? I'm not a big fan of it. I would put that at the top of all rodents that you could eat. Do you eat squirrel brains? No, but my mom did.
But we didn't eat them because there's not really a whole lot there. Yeah. But she seems to think that it... Contributed to.
But we didn't eat them because there's not really a whole lot there. Yeah. But she seems to think that it... Contributed to.
You can put it at the top of the rodent family. Yeah. But the chasm is great. There's like, there's squirrel and then there's everything else.
You can put it at the top of the rodent family. Yeah. But the chasm is great. There's like, there's squirrel and then there's everything else.
No, they're actually really good.
No, they're actually really good.
Why would I want to eat a bear?
Why would I want to eat a bear?
Yeah, because you see them in your trash can. You've given us a good reminder on why we have so much friction.
Yeah, because you see them in your trash can. You've given us a good reminder on why we have so much friction.
Yeah. I mean, this book, when faith is forbidden, really echoes a famous verse in the Bible that says that people didn't love their life so much as to shrink back from death, you know, in the name of Jesus and their testimony of him. And it's really inspiring because it makes Jesus' resurrection real.
Yeah. I mean, this book, when faith is forbidden, really echoes a famous verse in the Bible that says that people didn't love their life so much as to shrink back from death, you know, in the name of Jesus and their testimony of him. And it's really inspiring because it makes Jesus' resurrection real.
I would basically, after this four-minute conversation, classify you as a yuppie. Because I don't eat bear?
I would basically, after this four-minute conversation, classify you as a yuppie. Because I don't eat bear?
No, just because you're like, do you eat squirrel? I mean, what kind of... When you say something like that, I mean, it reminds me of this conversation Jesus was having. I mean, I don't eat them. I'm just persecutors. It's just not my... I mean, it's not in my... I still remember a lot of... Look, you're asking the wrong questions. Do you eat squirrel? That... I didn't even want to answer that.
No, just because you're like, do you eat squirrel? I mean, what kind of... When you say something like that, I mean, it reminds me of this conversation Jesus was having. I mean, I don't eat them. I'm just persecutors. It's just not my... I mean, it's not in my... I still remember a lot of... Look, you're asking the wrong questions. Do you eat squirrel? That... I didn't even want to answer that.
Yeah. I mean, I would say my favorite is they'll brown them. They'll cut them into four pieces. brown them, then put them in the oven for an hour, put whatever they put in there. I don't know how, you know, and then they make a gravy out of the driblings and you eat it.
Yeah. I mean, I would say my favorite is they'll brown them. They'll cut them into four pieces. brown them, then put them in the oven for an hour, put whatever they put in there. I don't know how, you know, and then they make a gravy out of the driblings and you eat it.
But you also have squirrel and dumplings, which is my favorite way to eat dumplings.
But you also have squirrel and dumplings, which is my favorite way to eat dumplings.
Well, if you don't know the anatomy, it's like we eat a chicken leg, but we know there's a bone in there. But when you're eating a squirrel and you've never eaten a squirrel, you're like, ooh, what is this?
Well, if you don't know the anatomy, it's like we eat a chicken leg, but we know there's a bone in there. But when you're eating a squirrel and you've never eaten a squirrel, you're like, ooh, what is this?
It was funny. So look, we're famous for being outdoors people, and I have a really exciting thing that I'm involved in with my brother Willie. And I'm going to give you a plug because this, what I'm fixing to tell you about, it will sell out. So I'm giving our unashamed listeners.
It was funny. So look, we're famous for being outdoors people, and I have a really exciting thing that I'm involved in with my brother Willie. And I'm going to give you a plug because this, what I'm fixing to tell you about, it will sell out. So I'm giving our unashamed listeners.
We don't know.
We don't know.
Well, that's true. I don't know what it is. Now, look, on May 3rd, which is a Saturday, at Camp Chioka, which we all, my parents met there.
Well, that's true. I don't know what it is. Now, look, on May 3rd, which is a Saturday, at Camp Chioka, which we all, my parents met there.
They did. They fell in love. They fell in love there. I saw my wife there before she was my wife and thought, ooh. So at Camp Chioka, which the Chioka stands for Christian Youth Camp. I recently just learned this. After all those years. I thought it was a Native American name. Yeah. But if you take the two letters, the first two letters, you understand Camp Chi, C-H-Y-O Youth Camp. Camp, C-A.
They did. They fell in love. They fell in love there. I saw my wife there before she was my wife and thought, ooh. So at Camp Chioka, which the Chioka stands for Christian Youth Camp. I recently just learned this. After all those years. I thought it was a Native American name. Yeah. But if you take the two letters, the first two letters, you understand Camp Chi, C-H-Y-O Youth Camp. Camp, C-A.
Camp Chioka. Isn't that cute? Charge you with camp. So at Camp Chioka, Saturday, May 3rd, they're having a sportsman's day. I will be speaking. And look what's going to happen. It's a whole day, family fun, live fishing, duck call demonstrations, a barbecue competition, jumpers. I'm not sure what that is. Those are the things that kids jump around in.
Camp Chioka. Isn't that cute? Charge you with camp. So at Camp Chioka, Saturday, May 3rd, they're having a sportsman's day. I will be speaking. And look what's going to happen. It's a whole day, family fun, live fishing, duck call demonstrations, a barbecue competition, jumpers. I'm not sure what that is. Those are the things that kids jump around in.
Petting zoo. Look, axe throwing. Okay.
Petting zoo. Look, axe throwing. Okay.
It's open to all ages. There's an archery competition. There's also a silent auction with amazing stuff. So I think it's $15 for adults. The kids get in free.
It's open to all ages. There's an archery competition. There's also a silent auction with amazing stuff. So I think it's $15 for adults. The kids get in free.
And it will sell out. But I wanted to invite you. Camp is kind of a special place for all of us.
And it will sell out. But I wanted to invite you. Camp is kind of a special place for all of us.
You may win. So there's competition. You're in the woods. You'll get first-rate instruction of the wild. So even if you're a yuppie like Zach or you're just a redneck and want to have some fun, it's open to everyone. But once it sells out, it'll be gone. So it's May 3rd, Saturday, Camp Chioka. Go to Camp Chioka. How do you spell it? So you got camp, C-H-Y-O-C-A.org.
You may win. So there's competition. You're in the woods. You'll get first-rate instruction of the wild. So even if you're a yuppie like Zach or you're just a redneck and want to have some fun, it's open to everyone. But once it sells out, it'll be gone. So it's May 3rd, Saturday, Camp Chioka. Go to Camp Chioka. How do you spell it? So you got camp, C-H-Y-O-C-A.org.
Yeah. Chiyoka. And you can, I guess you can register there. So that's my pitch. Yeah, I'm promoting that today. Yeah. So in various ways. So y'all come out. It'll be fun.
Yeah. Chiyoka. And you can, I guess you can register there. So that's my pitch. Yeah, I'm promoting that today. Yeah. So in various ways. So y'all come out. It'll be fun.
Bring in the bullpen.
Bring in the bullpen.
I'm hearing that famous song. We are family in the background. That's what happens when we get together.
I'm hearing that famous song. We are family in the background. That's what happens when we get together.
Here it is, Because You're My Family.
Here it is, Because You're My Family.
What's the difference between me and you? I don't ask. That's all you wear. Well, 90% of my wardrobe is camo.
What's the difference between me and you? I don't ask. That's all you wear. Well, 90% of my wardrobe is camo.
Yeah. You miss y'all?
Yeah. You miss y'all?
He looked like a – Do you see that, Matty? Yeah.
He looked like a – Do you see that, Matty? Yeah.
Gentle and lowly.
Gentle and lowly.
Well, I want to tell you that my son actually gave me these for Christmas. You know what's fascinating? What? They're waterproof.
Well, I want to tell you that my son actually gave me these for Christmas. You know what's fascinating? What? They're waterproof.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Jace has already previewed that he will need much editing today because he hasn't slept.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Jace has already previewed that he will need much editing today because he hasn't slept.
And so, hey, we'll take it. So here's my – for those of you out there that are afraid of flying because I fly all the time, and I don't like it either, just being up there. But my last prayer is just before the wheels take off is I commit – mind, soul, body, and spirit to the Almighty. It's yours to take as you will, to leave as you want. I mean, so I'm just doing your will.
And so, hey, we'll take it. So here's my – for those of you out there that are afraid of flying because I fly all the time, and I don't like it either, just being up there. But my last prayer is just before the wheels take off is I commit – mind, soul, body, and spirit to the Almighty. It's yours to take as you will, to leave as you want. I mean, so I'm just doing your will.
If you decide to go out in a blaze of glory, now I'm not as bad as Willie because Willie says that he wants to be the guy that's like Willie Robertson died in a plane crash with four others. He says that he always wants to be the headliner.
If you decide to go out in a blaze of glory, now I'm not as bad as Willie because Willie says that he wants to be the guy that's like Willie Robertson died in a plane crash with four others. He says that he always wants to be the headliner.
But we exceeded that.
But we exceeded that.
I mean, that's what he says.
I mean, that's what he says.
Well, let me push back.
Well, let me push back.
Terminal. You're gay. Terminal. Yeah. You're gay.
Terminal. You're gay. Terminal. Yeah. You're gay.
Yeah, we've been having some misses. Something's going on.
Yeah, we've been having some misses. Something's going on.
So Jace, they have a lot of songs about the heart. When's the last time you heard a song about the liver? No songs about liver. And it's quite important to your existence above ground. It is. If you're feeling constantly exhausted, weighted down, or you just struggle getting through the day, it could be a sluggish, overworked liver.
So Jace, they have a lot of songs about the heart. When's the last time you heard a song about the liver? No songs about liver. And it's quite important to your existence above ground. It is. If you're feeling constantly exhausted, weighted down, or you just struggle getting through the day, it could be a sluggish, overworked liver.
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The reality is your liver is under constant attack from processed foods, environmental toxins, GMOs, microplastics, fluoride, and a bunch of stuff you probably don't even know about. It can take a serious toll. In fact, a staggering 100 million Americans now suffer from from an overworked and sluggish liver, according to the American Liver Foundation. That's one in every three people.
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Like hipster? Did they have on the little elf boots? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've seen that one. That's a thing now. I don't know. I don't do that. I got a pair of those. I got a pair of them boots. No, you fit right into this thing I'm talking about. Yeah, because you can sing in the elf boots.
Like hipster? Did they have on the little elf boots? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've seen that one. That's a thing now. I don't know. I don't do that. I got a pair of those. I got a pair of them boots. No, you fit right into this thing I'm talking about. Yeah, because you can sing in the elf boots.
Unless somebody had a video of it.
Unless somebody had a video of it.
Oh, okay. Different flight. Oh, yeah, he would have never flown. He would have taken the bus. It's funny, Jay, because somebody who knows this person that was on your flight told me yesterday, so-and-so, whoever the guy is, said, He's a member here. He's on the flight with Jace. I can't wait to hear that story.
Oh, okay. Different flight. Oh, yeah, he would have never flown. He would have taken the bus. It's funny, Jay, because somebody who knows this person that was on your flight told me yesterday, so-and-so, whoever the guy is, said, He's a member here. He's on the flight with Jace. I can't wait to hear that story.
Really?
Really?
It's been a blur. I love when Jace comes in on two wheels on Monday to record because I never know what's going to happen today.
It's been a blur. I love when Jace comes in on two wheels on Monday to record because I never know what's going to happen today.
Well, maybe you and Jimmy need to be a duo.
Well, maybe you and Jimmy need to be a duo.
I said, look. You had me until you put intimately.
I said, look. You had me until you put intimately.
There we go. Welcome, Mr. Vice President.
There we go. Welcome, Mr. Vice President.
He's a fantastic guy. We've been doing stuff with him for, what, 25 years? Yeah, he's awesome. I think you can say his name. He don't care.
He's a fantastic guy. We've been doing stuff with him for, what, 25 years? Yeah, he's awesome. I think you can say his name. He don't care.
Put that on the mean.
Put that on the mean.
Let's get to the Bible.
Let's get to the Bible.
Even though Missy says they're not interesting, we love hearing about your travels.
Even though Missy says they're not interesting, we love hearing about your travels.
But anyway, let's go. Alright, we're in John 3 is where we left off, and I'm not exactly sure it's been a... Well, I went down a rabbit hole about the... We've been in so many of your rabbit holes, I'm not exactly sure. I know one thing we didn't get to last time was this story about... that Jesus puts in about the lifting up the snake in the desert. The bronze snake.
But anyway, let's go. Alright, we're in John 3 is where we left off, and I'm not exactly sure it's been a... Well, I went down a rabbit hole about the... We've been in so many of your rabbit holes, I'm not exactly sure. I know one thing we didn't get to last time was this story about... that Jesus puts in about the lifting up the snake in the desert. The bronze snake.
21.
21.
And we talked about the variant definition of that being born from above, which is an even better description of what happened.
And we talked about the variant definition of that being born from above, which is an even better description of what happened.
Because you brought in the idea of the Exodus, which I thought the tie-in was what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 10 when he uses the word baptize there. The clouds over them, the water's on each side of them, and he saw it as this symbolic walking through water.
Because you brought in the idea of the Exodus, which I thought the tie-in was what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 10 when he uses the word baptize there. The clouds over them, the water's on each side of them, and he saw it as this symbolic walking through water.
I think you're right.
I think you're right.
We had a guy. I didn't even know Jimmy Houston was still around. How old is Jimmy Houston? I hate to say this. I Googled it to see if he was still alive, because it didn't sound right.
We had a guy. I didn't even know Jimmy Houston was still around. How old is Jimmy Houston? I hate to say this. I Googled it to see if he was still alive, because it didn't sound right.
Yeah, we really like this. If you're watching the podcast, I'm holding some of this in my hand. It's great. You mix it up. You drink it. One of the things I loved about the descriptions that we talked to these guys is your doctor will notice, right? that something has happened to make you healthier. And that's one of their guarantees, which I love.
Yeah, we really like this. If you're watching the podcast, I'm holding some of this in my hand. It's great. You mix it up. You drink it. One of the things I loved about the descriptions that we talked to these guys is your doctor will notice, right? that something has happened to make you healthier. And that's one of their guarantees, which I love.
Which is why I think he goes to the bronze snake. by the way.
Which is why I think he goes to the bronze snake. by the way.
John's disciples are like, what's going on?
John's disciples are like, what's going on?
They're just wandering around.
They're just wandering around.
That's up in boat territory. Most of the boats in America are made up in northwest Arkansas. I would guess this boat had to have cost $40,000, $50,000.
That's up in boat territory. Most of the boats in America are made up in northwest Arkansas. I would guess this boat had to have cost $40,000, $50,000.
It's always hard to talk about things during a transitional period, which is what this is, because we're reading the whole story, but we're trying to figure out what they were thinking in the moment of as things were happening.
It's always hard to talk about things during a transitional period, which is what this is, because we're reading the whole story, but we're trying to figure out what they were thinking in the moment of as things were happening.
In the South, we'd say, y'all. I mean, y'all.
In the South, we'd say, y'all. I mean, y'all.
Yeah, Zach. I mean, there's certainly been times in my and Lisa's life when debt has so crushed us that not only could we not think about investing, we're trying to figure out how we're just going to go month to month and pay our bills.
Yeah, Zach. I mean, there's certainly been times in my and Lisa's life when debt has so crushed us that not only could we not think about investing, we're trying to figure out how we're just going to go month to month and pay our bills.
Just like when you were flushing the toilets during the hurricane, right?
Just like when you were flushing the toilets during the hurricane, right?
So you're saying that's the spirit of God. It's the spirit of God.
So you're saying that's the spirit of God. It's the spirit of God.
So since I'm a good guy and you're a bad guy, can you make your rabbit hole point in five minutes? Yes. All right, go for it.
So since I'm a good guy and you're a bad guy, can you make your rabbit hole point in five minutes? Yes. All right, go for it.
Are we reading Numbers 21 now? No, we're out of time. Snakes on a pole? Snakes on a pole are going to lead the next podcast because of Jason's rabbit hole. Remember, I'm the good guy. He's the bad guy. But it does show you the importance— of John chapter 3 to me in all of our belief system. This is a powerful chapter, which is why we spent a lot of time here. Exactly. It's huge.
Are we reading Numbers 21 now? No, we're out of time. Snakes on a pole? Snakes on a pole are going to lead the next podcast because of Jason's rabbit hole. Remember, I'm the good guy. He's the bad guy. But it does show you the importance— of John chapter 3 to me in all of our belief system. This is a powerful chapter, which is why we spent a lot of time here. Exactly. It's huge.
It was huge for the moment, and it's huge for us today.
It was huge for the moment, and it's huge for us today.
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He was like going play by play. People tell me that all the time when they're on the plane. They're like, oh, I'm so glad you're on here. And it's like, do you think I have some special insight into a sample?
He was like going play by play. People tell me that all the time when they're on the plane. They're like, oh, I'm so glad you're on here. And it's like, do you think I have some special insight into a sample?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's back in the recovery house.
He's back in the recovery house.
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That's what I'm saying. You're on a roll.
That's what I'm saying. You're on a roll.
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Which is really just testing their professionalism because I'm sure they're trained to always look calm. You're right. I'm the exact same way. But every time I fly, it's just something I do.
Which is really just testing their professionalism because I'm sure they're trained to always look calm. You're right. I'm the exact same way. But every time I fly, it's just something I do.
Yeah, it's that one up in Bentonville.
Yeah, it's that one up in Bentonville.
This guy is spot on because of the dynamic of the podcast. You got to have a villain. You got to have a villain.
This guy is spot on because of the dynamic of the podcast. You got to have a villain. You got to have a villain.
They start feeling sorry for you, Zach.
They start feeling sorry for you, Zach.
Well, that's what dad used to say when he talked about, you know, take everything out of the refrigerator, throw it in a pot. Hey, maybe we'll get lucky. You know, that was the way he described it. So let me tell you this, because Jay, you talked about a weird night. So it was night before last, which was the night last night we recorded the podcast a couple of days ago.
Well, that's what dad used to say when he talked about, you know, take everything out of the refrigerator, throw it in a pot. Hey, maybe we'll get lucky. You know, that was the way he described it. So let me tell you this, because Jay, you talked about a weird night. So it was night before last, which was the night last night we recorded the podcast a couple of days ago.
And I did something, I'm trying to think if I've ever done it. I don't know if y'all have ever done this before. I woke up and I was crying. Like I had tears on my face. And it was from this dream I was having. And it was about dad, you know, because, you know, all of us have been concerned. I pray all the time for him and, you know, for him, mom.
And I did something, I'm trying to think if I've ever done it. I don't know if y'all have ever done this before. I woke up and I was crying. Like I had tears on my face. And it was from this dream I was having. And it was about dad, you know, because, you know, all of us have been concerned. I pray all the time for him and, you know, for him, mom.
And so a lot of times I think about it before I go to sleep. You know, it's the time I spend with the almighty to close out the day he blessed me with. But in my dream, President Trump was awarding dad the Presidential Medal of Honor, whatever they do for civilians. And, of course, Dad couldn't be there. And so we were there, Jace. It was all the boys. And Phyllis was there, too.
And so a lot of times I think about it before I go to sleep. You know, it's the time I spend with the almighty to close out the day he blessed me with. But in my dream, President Trump was awarding dad the Presidential Medal of Honor, whatever they do for civilians. And, of course, Dad couldn't be there. And so we were there, Jace. It was all the boys. And Phyllis was there, too.
And we were receiving it on his behalf. And, you know, I rarely remember a dream. I've dreamed things before, and I thought, man, I woke up. Like, what happened? It was something scary or whatever. But I couldn't remember the details. But this one was so clear. But I don't know that I've ever cried in a dream and then woke up with actual tears on my face. Have you ever done that?
And we were receiving it on his behalf. And, you know, I rarely remember a dream. I've dreamed things before, and I thought, man, I woke up. Like, what happened? It was something scary or whatever. But I couldn't remember the details. But this one was so clear. But I don't know that I've ever cried in a dream and then woke up with actual tears on my face. Have you ever done that?
Yeah, I mean, it was so it was so impactful to me. The dream was I was so proud, you know, in the moment that like Trump was recognizing dad. And look, Trump said in the in his like thing when he was, you know, giving us the medal, he said, this man shared the gospel with me, you know, and I've always remembered it. So he says what dad always says about him. So I guess that was it.
Yeah, I mean, it was so it was so impactful to me. The dream was I was so proud, you know, in the moment that like Trump was recognizing dad. And look, Trump said in the in his like thing when he was, you know, giving us the medal, he said, this man shared the gospel with me, you know, and I've always remembered it. So he says what dad always says about him. So I guess that was it.
Yeah, potluck was a four-letter word in our vocabulary.
Yeah, potluck was a four-letter word in our vocabulary.
It was just it was a weird thing. But I mean, I've never woke up crying before that I can remember. Maybe I have. So one of the things I wish, Zach, that I had learned about early in life was that living above your means and going into debt is something that follows you for a long time. And it puts a lot of strain on your family, on your relationships, and even on your marriage.
It was just it was a weird thing. But I mean, I've never woke up crying before that I can remember. Maybe I have. So one of the things I wish, Zach, that I had learned about early in life was that living above your means and going into debt is something that follows you for a long time. And it puts a lot of strain on your family, on your relationships, and even on your marriage.
And Lisa and I, through the early years of our marriage, really struggled with debt.
And Lisa and I, through the early years of our marriage, really struggled with debt.
Same thing with law enforcement or, you know, first responders a lot of times. I mean, just not a lot of money, but man, you talk about just putting your life on the line.
Same thing with law enforcement or, you know, first responders a lot of times. I mean, just not a lot of money, but man, you talk about just putting your life on the line.
Which is why I mentioned that fault line before, because Zach mentioned this in the last podcast. The first time we see this idea that they're wanting to kill him comes up here in chapter five. And that's going to continue forward. What were you going to say, Zach?
Which is why I mentioned that fault line before, because Zach mentioned this in the last podcast. The first time we see this idea that they're wanting to kill him comes up here in chapter five. And that's going to continue forward. What were you going to say, Zach?
Well, you're right. It's a whole community thing because the Cajuns, they have made tables, you know, long tables and round tables with the hole in the middle and where everybody can converse as they're enjoying this delicious crawfish boil and all this stuff. It's very communal and it's designed for that.
Well, you're right. It's a whole community thing because the Cajuns, they have made tables, you know, long tables and round tables with the hole in the middle and where everybody can converse as they're enjoying this delicious crawfish boil and all this stuff. It's very communal and it's designed for that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, to back up your point, Zach, when we used to rent big houses down here, when the whole family would come and now we're so big we can't do it anymore. But in the old days, we did. Lisa got to where she would ask.
You know, to back up your point, Zach, when we used to rent big houses down here, when the whole family would come and now we're so big we can't do it anymore. But in the old days, we did. Lisa got to where she would ask.
before we would rent a house, because there's a lot of Louisiana people that own houses down here, especially from South Louisiana, she would say, is this house owned by someone from Louisiana? And the reason we asked that is because we knew the cooking equipment would be there that we needed for our week with the pots and pans and everything else.
before we would rent a house, because there's a lot of Louisiana people that own houses down here, especially from South Louisiana, she would say, is this house owned by someone from Louisiana? And the reason we asked that is because we knew the cooking equipment would be there that we needed for our week with the pots and pans and everything else.
So, I mean, we literally asked the question before we would rent a house, is it Louisiana owned?
So, I mean, we literally asked the question before we would rent a house, is it Louisiana owned?
Well, you remember Adam Carolla said that when he was on our podcast a few years ago. He mentioned about – because he's agnostic or atheist or used to be, I guess. I don't know if he still is. But he said, you know, I admire you Christians was the way he put it. Talking about us. He said, on your show, the way you do it.
Well, you remember Adam Carolla said that when he was on our podcast a few years ago. He mentioned about – because he's agnostic or atheist or used to be, I guess. I don't know if he still is. But he said, you know, I admire you Christians was the way he put it. Talking about us. He said, on your show, the way you do it.
He said, when I come into my house, everybody goes to their rooms to eat their meals and nobody's ever together. He said, but when I go to Dennis Prager, who's Jewish, or I watch you guys on TV, he said, y'all seem to really like being around the table together. It was just an interesting observation, I thought, and almost like he lamented it, that he didn't have it in his own family.
He said, when I come into my house, everybody goes to their rooms to eat their meals and nobody's ever together. He said, but when I go to Dennis Prager, who's Jewish, or I watch you guys on TV, he said, y'all seem to really like being around the table together. It was just an interesting observation, I thought, and almost like he lamented it, that he didn't have it in his own family.
Which is why I think I said before, I think that's why we wound up on television, because you had your little moment, the spotlight on the table and you didn't want to blow it. You want to have something to say that was either funny or, you know, mattered. You didn't want to waste your moments. You didn't get that many. Yeah.
Which is why I think I said before, I think that's why we wound up on television, because you had your little moment, the spotlight on the table and you didn't want to blow it. You want to have something to say that was either funny or, you know, mattered. You didn't want to waste your moments. You didn't get that many. Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
Read at least the first 15 verses, Joseph. Let's get into that, which is the actual miracle.
Read at least the first 15 verses, Joseph. Let's get into that, which is the actual miracle.
And talked about his resurrection.
And talked about his resurrection.
And then the celebration of that, Jase, is a meal. I mean, you eat that lamb, you eat the unleavened bread, the herbs, all the stuff that goes with it.
And then the celebration of that, Jase, is a meal. I mean, you eat that lamb, you eat the unleavened bread, the herbs, all the stuff that goes with it.
And Jason, let me give one little tease before you go back to the text. He mentions the Passover one more time. And guess when that is? When he's about to go into Jerusalem, and John mentions it three times as Jesus is going in for the last Passover, which is very interesting that he mentioned it three times in his book and three times at the last time, just to show the importance.
And Jason, let me give one little tease before you go back to the text. He mentions the Passover one more time. And guess when that is? When he's about to go into Jerusalem, and John mentions it three times as Jesus is going in for the last Passover, which is very interesting that he mentioned it three times in his book and three times at the last time, just to show the importance.
So true.
So true.
Best brand, the brand, the best one. You're not going cheap at any level. It's abundance.
Best brand, the brand, the best one. You're not going cheap at any level. It's abundance.
That's right.
That's right.
Is that the best thing you've ever laid a lip on? That's the way he said it.
Is that the best thing you've ever laid a lip on? That's the way he said it.
I don't think the other three mentioned Philip or Andrew. There's for sure no conversation.
I don't think the other three mentioned Philip or Andrew. There's for sure no conversation.
That was a joke out there, people. He didn't pay off his in-laws. It's okay. But your wife's cooking, though.
That was a joke out there, people. He didn't pay off his in-laws. It's okay. But your wife's cooking, though.
That's what I put in my nose, Chase. It was like, maybe, maybe. Here's a happy meal.
That's what I put in my nose, Chase. It was like, maybe, maybe. Here's a happy meal.
Probably double that with the kids and women.
Probably double that with the kids and women.
I think 1815.
I think 1815.
So Jesus... And Moses even said, greater than I. So he was letting them... That was it.
So Jesus... And Moses even said, greater than I. So he was letting them... That was it.
That's the money left.
That's the money left.
Which is an interesting thing, too, that you get from reading the other gospel narratives, because John is just kind of picking these events along. He's not necessarily trying to be chronological. But when I read the other versions, the other eyewitness accounts, there were two things else that had happened. I think they helped set the context of the mindset, because Jace is right.
Which is an interesting thing, too, that you get from reading the other gospel narratives, because John is just kind of picking these events along. He's not necessarily trying to be chronological. But when I read the other versions, the other eyewitness accounts, there were two things else that had happened. I think they helped set the context of the mindset, because Jace is right.
it seems counterintuitive to us for him to take the task he took that now is the time for him to step out because now they're saying and wanting him to be king, but it's not the right context. So two things have happened. One is this follows, uh, him sending out the disciples. They just got back right before this happened.
it seems counterintuitive to us for him to take the task he took that now is the time for him to step out because now they're saying and wanting him to be king, but it's not the right context. So two things have happened. One is this follows, uh, him sending out the disciples. They just got back right before this happened.
And so that's part of the reason they were retreating is to get a little rest because they had just gone out. Remember when he sent them out and said, you know, shake the dust off. So that had just happened. So they're probably on cloud nine that they got to get out on their own and share about the kingdom, about what was coming.
And so that's part of the reason they were retreating is to get a little rest because they had just gone out. Remember when he sent them out and said, you know, shake the dust off. So that had just happened. So they're probably on cloud nine that they got to get out on their own and share about the kingdom, about what was coming.
And the second thing that had happened from one of the other accounts is that John had just been beheaded. in prison, which effectively ended the forerunner, you know, his life and everything he had come to do. And now it's just Jesus. So he's the only one left.
And the second thing that had happened from one of the other accounts is that John had just been beheaded. in prison, which effectively ended the forerunner, you know, his life and everything he had come to do. And now it's just Jesus. So he's the only one left.
So one is, you know, Jesus has taken that personally, which I think is part of the mindset with him and the idea that this was his cousin as well as somebody he loved deeply. He said there's no one greater on earth than him. And yet these two things that happen leading up to this event.
So one is, you know, Jesus has taken that personally, which I think is part of the mindset with him and the idea that this was his cousin as well as somebody he loved deeply. He said there's no one greater on earth than him. And yet these two things that happen leading up to this event.
Well, by the way, Zach, you're exactly right. And not with my current diet, but in past diet, a doctor told me, he said, there's two biblical words you've got to practice if you want to lose weight. And I said, biblical words? He said, yeah. I said, well, lay it on me because I'm a Bible man. He said, well, first is repent. You said, you know what that word means? I said, yep, it means change.
Well, by the way, Zach, you're exactly right. And not with my current diet, but in past diet, a doctor told me, he said, there's two biblical words you've got to practice if you want to lose weight. And I said, biblical words? He said, yeah. I said, well, lay it on me because I'm a Bible man. He said, well, first is repent. You said, you know what that word means? I said, yep, it means change.
So I do think that helps us the context as to kind of why Jesus responds the way he does, as well as the disciples and probably why there's that little interlude of him walking on the water, too. I got a new nickname that someone called me recently on the road. They call me the incredible shrinking man. You are shrinking. I have to admit, you look like a million bucks. I'm shrinking.
So I do think that helps us the context as to kind of why Jesus responds the way he does, as well as the disciples and probably why there's that little interlude of him walking on the water, too. I got a new nickname that someone called me recently on the road. They call me the incredible shrinking man. You are shrinking. I have to admit, you look like a million bucks. I'm shrinking.
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I mean, if you look at it, it was three kings. It lasted Saul, David, Solomon, then it split after Saul.
I mean, if you look at it, it was three kings. It lasted Saul, David, Solomon, then it split after Saul.
But it's also the classic way of how God does business. He's also looking at the needs of those in the moment. Because by the way, how many disciples were there that needed to eat? Because they've been serving this whole time, 12. So guess who got the basket full of the leftovers? Probably each one of them. those 12 disciples to their sustenance in the moment.
But it's also the classic way of how God does business. He's also looking at the needs of those in the moment. Because by the way, how many disciples were there that needed to eat? Because they've been serving this whole time, 12. So guess who got the basket full of the leftovers? Probably each one of them. those 12 disciples to their sustenance in the moment.
So to prove your point, Zach, it's the sustenance of the moment, which is what prophecy does, but also the bigger picture of what it provides for everybody.
So to prove your point, Zach, it's the sustenance of the moment, which is what prophecy does, but also the bigger picture of what it provides for everybody.
He said, that's right. You got to change your habit. So I got that one. He said, and the second one is divorce. And I was like, whoa, Doc, now wait a minute. He said, you have to divorce your love for food. And I said, Doc, I'm thinking more just like a separation with a hope of reconciliation.
He said, that's right. You got to change your habit. So I got that one. He said, and the second one is divorce. And I was like, whoa, Doc, now wait a minute. He said, you have to divorce your love for food. And I said, Doc, I'm thinking more just like a separation with a hope of reconciliation.
No doubt.
No doubt.
All the time. I mean, any time.
All the time. I mean, any time.
Every day.
Every day.
I don't think I can be actively rooting for divorce, especially what Jay's just said, because we survive to eat.
I don't think I can be actively rooting for divorce, especially what Jay's just said, because we survive to eat.
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Well, Jase, I swallow a lot of aggression along with a lot of Johnny's pizzas.
Well, Jase, I swallow a lot of aggression along with a lot of Johnny's pizzas.
What is your conclusion?
What is your conclusion?
They sent us the cheese. It's natural American cheese.
They sent us the cheese. It's natural American cheese.
Yeah, I've been wearing that too.
Yeah, I've been wearing that too.
I will say there have been people that sided with Zach in the argument. A lot of people. But I don't know that they've tried this natural American.
I will say there have been people that sided with Zach in the argument. A lot of people. But I don't know that they've tried this natural American.
Welcome back to Unashamed. We've been studying the book of John. We're going to get to John 6 today. And I don't know, Jay, she said you had a... You had a weird night leading into your Bible study?
Welcome back to Unashamed. We've been studying the book of John. We're going to get to John 6 today. And I don't know, Jay, she said you had a... You had a weird night leading into your Bible study?
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I've heard the next generation, Jay, talk about it at our Thanksgiving gatherings because, you know, our kids, they love to come up with something and try to bring it to impress all of us. Because if they ever get the thumbs up that this is a Robertson favorite, then it becomes part of the lexicon going forward. But it's usually a train wreck, you know. It is. It's trial and error.
I've heard the next generation, Jay, talk about it at our Thanksgiving gatherings because, you know, our kids, they love to come up with something and try to bring it to impress all of us. Because if they ever get the thumbs up that this is a Robertson favorite, then it becomes part of the lexicon going forward. But it's usually a train wreck, you know. It is. It's trial and error.
But to show Jace's point is right, Zach, when you read that whole thing, the word I focused in on was roast. Because I love a good pot roast. Yeah, you got to sear it. You got to sear it, put it in some flour.
But to show Jace's point is right, Zach, when you read that whole thing, the word I focused in on was roast. Because I love a good pot roast. Yeah, you got to sear it. You got to sear it, put it in some flour.
We're all ears. Okay.
We're all ears. Okay.
Did Phil eat them?
Did Phil eat them?
Did you have to peel them for him?
Did you have to peel them for him?
Well, you've made it clear. Missy was freaked out by bugs in general. So, yeah, it goes against her.
Well, you've made it clear. Missy was freaked out by bugs in general. So, yeah, it goes against her.
That's a good daughter-in-law.
That's a good daughter-in-law.
Yep.
Yep.
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You're just very real and transparent about, you know, where you've been, where you are and where you're hoped to head.
You're just very real and transparent about, you know, where you've been, where you are and where you're hoped to head.
Thank you, Shelly.
Thank you, Shelly.
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Zach, 2025 has brought in not only just a new year for me, but also a commitment to put my health at a little higher priority. And so I've decided to lose some weight. Our good friends at PhD Weight Loss have come alongside me. And now Zach is engaged in the program as well. It was founded by Dr. Ashley Lucas. And one of the things that she said early on, Zach, to us was that 80% of dropping fat
And weight comes from what you eat, which, you know, sounds like very simple, but many times we miss that. What I love about Dr. Lucas is she's a registered dietitian, a PhD in sports nutrition and chronic disease. And I have to say, out of all the diets I've done in the past, she has done, she and her team, the best job of explaining the science of why you get fat and why you hang on to it.
And weight comes from what you eat, which, you know, sounds like very simple, but many times we miss that. What I love about Dr. Lucas is she's a registered dietitian, a PhD in sports nutrition and chronic disease. And I have to say, out of all the diets I've done in the past, she has done, she and her team, the best job of explaining the science of why you get fat and why you hang on to it.
And that's one of the reasons why I think they've had so much success. The program teaches you what to eat, when to eat, and it also works on your relationship with food and shows you how to lose weight for life. So if you're watching this on YouTube, here's a picture of me when I started the journey. Now I'm into my eighth week and I've lost almost 30 pounds, which is a great blessing.
And that's one of the reasons why I think they've had so much success. The program teaches you what to eat, when to eat, and it also works on your relationship with food and shows you how to lose weight for life. So if you're watching this on YouTube, here's a picture of me when I started the journey. Now I'm into my eighth week and I've lost almost 30 pounds, which is a great blessing.
No gimmicks, no pills, no injections, no side effects. And I have to say, I just thought about this, Zach. I also haven't had to take any sort of Tums. I've had no indigestion and I was plagued with this for years. So this diet has really helped me. I'm not hungry, so it doesn't feel like I'm eating rabbit food. The protein, I think, is the real help there.
No gimmicks, no pills, no injections, no side effects. And I have to say, I just thought about this, Zach. I also haven't had to take any sort of Tums. I've had no indigestion and I was plagued with this for years. So this diet has really helped me. I'm not hungry, so it doesn't feel like I'm eating rabbit food. The protein, I think, is the real help there.
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In America? Yeah, it's the kingdom of cheese. I mean, they wear cheese on their head.
In America? Yeah, it's the kingdom of cheese. I mean, they wear cheese on their head.
Well, I haven't mentioned the book, but it's called How to Tell the Truth. And for those of you watching, I've got a copy of it here in my hands. And what Jace just talked about, Preston, was learning from the master, was the chapter in the book when you talked about what he just said, is that you learned a lot of your skill set to talk to people from what Jesus did. Yeah.
Well, I haven't mentioned the book, but it's called How to Tell the Truth. And for those of you watching, I've got a copy of it here in my hands. And what Jace just talked about, Preston, was learning from the master, was the chapter in the book when you talked about what he just said, is that you learned a lot of your skill set to talk to people from what Jesus did. Yeah.
Just in talking to folks, right? So talk a little bit about that. You know, people struggle. I have so many on our podcast that say, I want to be able to share my faith more openly, more clearly, but I'm not sure how to do that. And you said in here in your book that some people's personality lends itself to that. But we all kind of have...
Just in talking to folks, right? So talk a little bit about that. You know, people struggle. I have so many on our podcast that say, I want to be able to share my faith more openly, more clearly, but I'm not sure how to do that. And you said in here in your book that some people's personality lends itself to that. But we all kind of have...
I agree. And they are in America.
I agree. And they are in America.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes, we are. I use their product.
Yes, we are. I use their product.
You said that the success doesn't always end in the sinner's prayer. And I love that picture because you said that the planting of the seed may be the important moment of that conversation that you're having. This may come to fruition much later down the road, which is, again, a very biblical concept. So you're not sure where your role is in this process.
You said that the success doesn't always end in the sinner's prayer. And I love that picture because you said that the planting of the seed may be the important moment of that conversation that you're having. This may come to fruition much later down the road, which is, again, a very biblical concept. So you're not sure where your role is in this process.
Man, that's so good. And I want to, so I was drawn in immediately into the book, Preston, because just you are a gifted wordsmith. I mean, God's given you something. You said in the beginning you were a poet in the book. And so, and then I started reading, I said, oh, this guy is a poet.
Man, that's so good. And I want to, so I was drawn in immediately into the book, Preston, because just you are a gifted wordsmith. I mean, God's given you something. You said in the beginning you were a poet in the book. And so, and then I started reading, I said, oh, this guy is a poet.
But I want to read a little excerpt that just, it resonated so strongly with me because I grew up in South Arkansas. You grew up in South Chicago. Yeah. And yet so much of what you were relating to your own life, your cousins, your grandmother having that spiritual influence, that aunt that stepped into your life when you needed her. That was my aunt, which happened to be Zach's mom as well.
But I want to read a little excerpt that just, it resonated so strongly with me because I grew up in South Arkansas. You grew up in South Chicago. Yeah. And yet so much of what you were relating to your own life, your cousins, your grandmother having that spiritual influence, that aunt that stepped into your life when you needed her. That was my aunt, which happened to be Zach's mom as well.
But there were so many things that resonated in my life. But I want to read this for the audience just to let you know how well this book is written. It says, this is in the very beginning in your open. It says, The Streets of Our Neighborhood. were crowded with different shades of brown boy bodies, but hearts all the same shade of courage.
But there were so many things that resonated in my life. But I want to read this for the audience just to let you know how well this book is written. It says, this is in the very beginning in your open. It says, The Streets of Our Neighborhood. were crowded with different shades of brown boy bodies, but hearts all the same shade of courage.
When dust finally grew legs and chased us home, we would head inside to bathe in our grandmother's smile. Her home was a shower and sanctuary of its own. We watched her become a choir, preparing dinner for her 13 grandsons. We didn't know how privileged we were to sit inside her songs before bed, to grow up planted in her rich soil.
When dust finally grew legs and chased us home, we would head inside to bathe in our grandmother's smile. Her home was a shower and sanctuary of its own. We watched her become a choir, preparing dinner for her 13 grandsons. We didn't know how privileged we were to sit inside her songs before bed, to grow up planted in her rich soil.
We didn't know then how her prayers preserved us for the next day. When evil was walking the streets of our hood, hot with violence, seeking to decompose our melanin. I mean, it was just, you paint such an amazing picture. It was my childhood, too, you know, in a completely different part of the country with a completely different set of circumstances.
We didn't know then how her prayers preserved us for the next day. When evil was walking the streets of our hood, hot with violence, seeking to decompose our melanin. I mean, it was just, you paint such an amazing picture. It was my childhood, too, you know, in a completely different part of the country with a completely different set of circumstances.
But I felt every bit of that, you know, when you wrote it down. So I just I had to read that because it just it drew me into the book so quickly. It was like, man, I got to I got to hear what this guy has to say.
But I felt every bit of that, you know, when you wrote it down. So I just I had to read that because it just it drew me into the book so quickly. It was like, man, I got to I got to hear what this guy has to say.
This is such a powerful apologetic, and it still is to this day. Our good friend Todd Nettleton, who is the Voice of the Martyrs radio host, continues to show us through his travels and his work with Voice of the Martyrs just how much that these things still inspire us today because persecution hasn't ended around the world.
This is such a powerful apologetic, and it still is to this day. Our good friend Todd Nettleton, who is the Voice of the Martyrs radio host, continues to show us through his travels and his work with Voice of the Martyrs just how much that these things still inspire us today because persecution hasn't ended around the world.
We got it pretty good here in America, but there are places where people are still giving their lives who are persecuted in terrible ways. He's written a book. If you're watching, I've got it here in my hands. It's called When Faith is Forbidden. 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians.
We got it pretty good here in America, but there are places where people are still giving their lives who are persecuted in terrible ways. He's written a book. If you're watching, I've got it here in my hands. It's called When Faith is Forbidden. 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians.
just so he'd have an opportunity to share with others. So there's a lot of stories like this. Every stop on the journey is going to challenge you to reflect your own walk with Christ. It certainly has for me. Request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden by calling 844-463-4059. That's 844-463-4059. Or visit vom.org slash unashamed. That's vom.org slash unashamed.
just so he'd have an opportunity to share with others. So there's a lot of stories like this. Every stop on the journey is going to challenge you to reflect your own walk with Christ. It certainly has for me. Request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden by calling 844-463-4059. That's 844-463-4059. Or visit vom.org slash unashamed. That's vom.org slash unashamed.
Oh, and we have... We got hats.
Oh, and we have... We got hats.
Natural American.
Natural American.
But it's real cheese.
But it's real cheese.
That's beautiful. Yeah. So we're out of time. Man, that seemed to go by really fast, Preston. But in the book, you called it an unlikely evangelist and an accidental apologist. I would add in an unwilling pastor and you have our podcast. And we're cut from the same cloth. And I think that cloth is taken from the towel. of the Son of God that washes the feet of other people to try to serve them.
That's beautiful. Yeah. So we're out of time. Man, that seemed to go by really fast, Preston. But in the book, you called it an unlikely evangelist and an accidental apologist. I would add in an unwilling pastor and you have our podcast. And we're cut from the same cloth. And I think that cloth is taken from the towel. of the Son of God that washes the feet of other people to try to serve them.
And that's the beauty of what you're doing. The book is called How to Tell the Truth. And I'm telling you, Unashamed Nation, you're always talking about, how can I figure out a way to share better? This book will help you do that.
And that's the beauty of what you're doing. The book is called How to Tell the Truth. And I'm telling you, Unashamed Nation, you're always talking about, how can I figure out a way to share better? This book will help you do that.
It just... Well, it gets moldy. Well, it gets moldy, but you cut the mold off, it's still good. Oh, you keep going.
It just... Well, it gets moldy. Well, it gets moldy, but you cut the mold off, it's still good. Oh, you keep going.
So when you come, you will harvest multiple things from the creation to enjoy. Okay. Yeah, and then we'll put them on the table. And then we'll cook them and eat them too, which is awesome.
So when you come, you will harvest multiple things from the creation to enjoy. Okay. Yeah, and then we'll put them on the table. And then we'll cook them and eat them too, which is awesome.
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I'll send it to you where you can find it.
I'll send it to you where you can find it.
Oh, that's right. Y'all are both on the dot.
Oh, that's right. Y'all are both on the dot.
All right, so we're going to work this out where we actually have an actual taste test.
All right, so we're going to work this out where we actually have an actual taste test.
This looks better. So we're going to try. We're going to try. We're going to check it out. All right. So we're going to take a break. We have a guest that has nothing to do with cheese. coming up that I am super excited about. You will love to hear his story. It's going to be fantastic. So we'll tell you about him when we come back from the break. Jace, I got a question for you. Yeah.
This looks better. So we're going to try. We're going to try. We're going to check it out. All right. So we're going to take a break. We have a guest that has nothing to do with cheese. coming up that I am super excited about. You will love to hear his story. It's going to be fantastic. So we'll tell you about him when we come back from the break. Jace, I got a question for you. Yeah.
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Please dial pound 250, say the keyword baby. That's pound 250, keyword baby. Or visit preborn.com slash unashamed. That's preborn.com slash unashamed. Welcome back to Unashamed. We are super excited about our next guest. I have not met you, Preston, but I have read your latest book, and you are one of our people. There's no doubt about it.
Please dial pound 250, say the keyword baby. That's pound 250, keyword baby. Or visit preborn.com slash unashamed. That's preborn.com slash unashamed. Welcome back to Unashamed. We are super excited about our next guest. I have not met you, Preston, but I have read your latest book, and you are one of our people. There's no doubt about it.
A believer, a faithful follower in Christ who loves to tell people about Jesus. So, Preston Perry, welcome to Unashamed.
A believer, a faithful follower in Christ who loves to tell people about Jesus. So, Preston Perry, welcome to Unashamed.
Absolutely. And Preston, you met Zach, and Zach told me y'all met in Angola. And I was like, wait, what were y'all doing in Angola? So he had to tell me what y'all were doing there. Angola, the prison? The prison, the Louisiana, our big prison, as they call it. So what were you doing, Zach? What were y'all doing in Angola when you met Preston?
Absolutely. And Preston, you met Zach, and Zach told me y'all met in Angola. And I was like, wait, what were y'all doing in Angola? So he had to tell me what y'all were doing there. Angola, the prison? The prison, the Louisiana, our big prison, as they call it. So what were you doing, Zach? What were y'all doing in Angola when you met Preston?
This was pre-PhD.
This was pre-PhD.
Yeah. Yeah, I was there a few years ago with Dad, and I've said this before on the podcast. He had one of the greatest opening lines ever. He said, just because you're under lock and key does not mean that you can't be set free. And that was his opening line. He went to Galatians 3 about the whole world's a prisoner of sin. And it was just a powerful thing.
Yeah. Yeah, I was there a few years ago with Dad, and I've said this before on the podcast. He had one of the greatest opening lines ever. He said, just because you're under lock and key does not mean that you can't be set free. And that was his opening line. He went to Galatians 3 about the whole world's a prisoner of sin. And it was just a powerful thing.
And, you know, someone told me just this last week, Preston, that they had piped in dad's message into even death row, which, you know, Angola is our death row prison. And I think there, I don't know how many death row prisoners there are, but it went, the message went into there and we had heard back that at least five people had given their lives to Christ. after that message.
And, you know, someone told me just this last week, Preston, that they had piped in dad's message into even death row, which, you know, Angola is our death row prison. And I think there, I don't know how many death row prisoners there are, but it went, the message went into there and we had heard back that at least five people had given their lives to Christ. after that message.
Yeah, American cheese.
Yeah, American cheese.
And the guy that was telling me this said he had just been notified this week because we hadn't had any executions in the state of Louisiana in a long time. But one of those five is slated for execution soon. It just happened. But now we know that he's committed follower of Christ, even in this situation. So it just reminded me of the parable about the kingdom, the guys that get in the last hour,
And the guy that was telling me this said he had just been notified this week because we hadn't had any executions in the state of Louisiana in a long time. But one of those five is slated for execution soon. It just happened. But now we know that he's committed follower of Christ, even in this situation. So it just reminded me of the parable about the kingdom, the guys that get in the last hour,
You know, they're still in, which is the beauty of that, you know.
You know, they're still in, which is the beauty of that, you know.
And I concurred with Jace because I'm a cheddar man.
And I concurred with Jace because I'm a cheddar man.
Well, and I think that, Preston, it seems like to me, just from looking at some of your stuff, and I want to get to your new book here in just a minute, because it was so good. I read the whole thing yesterday. It was so... Oh. I mean, one setting, I read the whole thing. But what I love about it is you and your wife...
Well, and I think that, Preston, it seems like to me, just from looking at some of your stuff, and I want to get to your new book here in just a minute, because it was so good. I read the whole thing yesterday. It was so... Oh. I mean, one setting, I read the whole thing. But what I love about it is you and your wife...
like us, have found that just transparency and being real about your past, about who you are, about what Christ has done in your life, is just a complete door opener for people. I mean, it just, you know, and that's what we figured out. We figured out that, you know, a lot of people in Christianity, unfortunately, are trying to
like us, have found that just transparency and being real about your past, about who you are, about what Christ has done in your life, is just a complete door opener for people. I mean, it just, you know, and that's what we figured out. We figured out that, you know, a lot of people in Christianity, unfortunately, are trying to
take everything that's ever, you know, not been the best representation of themselves and like lock that away in a closet somewhere and just had this look like we're all great and everything's perfect. And you're like, that doesn't really connect to people very easily. And so I just felt like that's the reason we have such a connection. You guys, you've done the same thing we do.
take everything that's ever, you know, not been the best representation of themselves and like lock that away in a closet somewhere and just had this look like we're all great and everything's perfect. And you're like, that doesn't really connect to people very easily. And so I just felt like that's the reason we have such a connection. You guys, you've done the same thing we do.
I am unashamed. What about you?
I am unashamed. What about you?
really special to me so powerful it started for me just a little bit before that because Sadie ends the show with a prayer and you know Phil always ended the show with a prayer of that dynasty and so there was like this moment of Well, one, realizing, okay, he's physically not here anymore. Yeah. And so the tears started to come.
really special to me so powerful it started for me just a little bit before that because Sadie ends the show with a prayer and you know Phil always ended the show with a prayer of that dynasty and so there was like this moment of Well, one, realizing, okay, he's physically not here anymore. Yeah. And so the tears started to come.
But then the realization of the generations that he is passing down on to, and the tears started to come. And then they showed that scene, and I almost ugly cried. I mean, I literally, they threw some tissues across the table. I just, it just was, it was very, it was beautiful, and it was honoring. And it was, I don't know, I thought they did a great job.
But then the realization of the generations that he is passing down on to, and the tears started to come. And then they showed that scene, and I almost ugly cried. I mean, I literally, they threw some tissues across the table. I just, it just was, it was very, it was beautiful, and it was honoring. And it was, I don't know, I thought they did a great job.
Help our backyard. Needs help.
Help our backyard. Needs help.
Oh, my word. And she kind of turned a little red. Yeah. And I'm sure I turned a little red because I thought, gulp, that was a stupid thing. So she was standing right next to me, but I didn't recognize her. What is that?
Oh, my word. And she kind of turned a little red. Yeah. And I'm sure I turned a little red because I thought, gulp, that was a stupid thing. So she was standing right next to me, but I didn't recognize her. What is that?
I mean, yes.
I mean, yes.
Yeah, didn't need that visual.
Yeah, didn't need that visual.
He had to get a pacemaker put in.
He had to get a pacemaker put in.
This is a moment. I think that was just a moment.
This is a moment. I think that was just a moment.
How old were you when that happened?
How old were you when that happened?
I love that, though, because so many times we think someone comes to the Lord and they're going to have everything figured out. They should know all the rules.
I love that, though, because so many times we think someone comes to the Lord and they're going to have everything figured out. They should know all the rules.
And it's like, no, like grace. Like, man, I...
And it's like, no, like grace. Like, man, I...
And you don't have to have all the right words because my spirit is going to dwell in you.
And you don't have to have all the right words because my spirit is going to dwell in you.
No, the kingdom is in our midst. And you can see it and feel it when you're a monk. When you're among the kingdom, you know you're among the kingdom because you can feel the Spirit.
No, the kingdom is in our midst. And you can see it and feel it when you're a monk. When you're among the kingdom, you know you're among the kingdom because you can feel the Spirit.
Boots on the ground.
Boots on the ground.
I had no idea, by the way.
I had no idea, by the way.
No, she's great.
No, she's great.
Yeah, I love her.
Yeah, I love her.
Well, our house is a revolving door. We come to Louisiana and the place we stay at in Louisiana is a revolving door.
Well, our house is a revolving door. We come to Louisiana and the place we stay at in Louisiana is a revolving door.
It's like the Toys R Us for kids snack edition.
It's like the Toys R Us for kids snack edition.
30-gallon bag.
30-gallon bag.
Garbage bags is one of them.
Garbage bags is one of them.
Well, it's funny you say that because our first fight, although we're not going to talk about our fight.
Well, it's funny you say that because our first fight, although we're not going to talk about our fight.
But I do remember.
But I do remember.
Our first marital fight. I was 20 years old when we got married. He was 23, was in the grocery store. And you've got to keep in mind, I had dreamed about this moment. I wanted to be a wife my whole life. I feel like I was just ready. I couldn't wait. And so going grocery shopping.
Our first marital fight. I was 20 years old when we got married. He was 23, was in the grocery store. And you've got to keep in mind, I had dreamed about this moment. I wanted to be a wife my whole life. I feel like I was just ready. I couldn't wait. And so going grocery shopping.
And I never lived by myself until we got married.
And I never lived by myself until we got married.
I had a dorm room.
I had a dorm room.
We're not there yet. And so I was so excited. We're married. We've got our grocery cart. We're just going down the aisle. Ooh, Doritos. I got a bag of Doritos. Put it in there. He took the bag of Doritos, put it back on the shelf, and he got the fake Doritos.
We're not there yet. And so I was so excited. We're married. We've got our grocery cart. We're just going down the aisle. Ooh, Doritos. I got a bag of Doritos. Put it in there. He took the bag of Doritos, put it back on the shelf, and he got the fake Doritos.
Sam's Choice.
Sam's Choice.
I overlooked that.
I overlooked that.
Well, not yet.
Well, not yet.
I'm still trying to be sweet.
I'm still trying to be sweet.
Still trying to be sweet, Jill. And I'm like, okay, I'm just a submissive wife. We'll get the fake Doritos. So I get a couple more items. Daisy sour cream. Sour cream's important. Get the daisy sour cream. Put it in the grocery. He takes the daisy sour cream out, puts it back on the shelf, and gets the Sam's Choice. Sour cream. And that was it.
Still trying to be sweet, Jill. And I'm like, okay, I'm just a submissive wife. We'll get the fake Doritos. So I get a couple more items. Daisy sour cream. Sour cream's important. Get the daisy sour cream. Put it in the grocery. He takes the daisy sour cream out, puts it back on the shelf, and gets the Sam's Choice. Sour cream. And that was it.
I left. I left the cart. I just said, okay. And I just hightailed it in my high heels out of that grocery store.
I left. I left the cart. I just said, okay. And I just hightailed it in my high heels out of that grocery store.
You know, he had a little nightstand when I walked in. I mean, you guys are there a lot more than I am, but he had three things on the nightstand that I thought was interesting. And this sums up kind of his life. The biggest item on the stand was the Bible. The Bible, yeah. The Bible. The second biggest was a book about duck species, which I thought was funny.
You know, he had a little nightstand when I walked in. I mean, you guys are there a lot more than I am, but he had three things on the nightstand that I thought was interesting. And this sums up kind of his life. The biggest item on the stand was the Bible. The Bible, yeah. The Bible. The second biggest was a book about duck species, which I thought was funny.
The one that I should have suspected, but it was kind of the one that kind of hit me, was a glass of tea, a fun sweet tea. He's got all the essentials. He's got what he needs.
The one that I should have suspected, but it was kind of the one that kind of hit me, was a glass of tea, a fun sweet tea. He's got all the essentials. He's got what he needs.
He told you that. That's good material.
He told you that. That's good material.
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Another way of saying it is that things tear up over time. Well, exactly. But you know what's interesting about this word entropy? The reason why I use it a lot is probably about 20 years ago when I got into apologetics, One of the writers I was reading about was using this. It's a scientific fact. I mean, it's a law of the universe.
Another way of saying it is that things tear up over time. Well, exactly. But you know what's interesting about this word entropy? The reason why I use it a lot is probably about 20 years ago when I got into apologetics, One of the writers I was reading about was using this. It's a scientific fact. I mean, it's a law of the universe.
It's actually the second law of thermodynamics, which is about heat and matter and thermo heat. But imagine the universe and every star in the universe is like a campfire. And with any campfire. If you sit around it long enough and you don't add wood to it, what happens to it? Burns out. It burns out. So that's entropy.
It's actually the second law of thermodynamics, which is about heat and matter and thermo heat. But imagine the universe and every star in the universe is like a campfire. And with any campfire. If you sit around it long enough and you don't add wood to it, what happens to it? Burns out. It burns out. So that's entropy.
What a great point there. And that's why the argument that Paul makes, you're looking for the signs. He said, the Jews look for the signs and the Greeks demand wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified. Meaning, We preach a Christ who died. Why would we preach that? Because he didn't stay dead. I mean, that's the big thing that's happening here in Scripture and Christianity gives us.
What a great point there. And that's why the argument that Paul makes, you're looking for the signs. He said, the Jews look for the signs and the Greeks demand wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified. Meaning, We preach a Christ who died. Why would we preach that? Because he didn't stay dead. I mean, that's the big thing that's happening here in Scripture and Christianity gives us.
It's not just that we don't know. You don't avoid death. As a Christian, you conquer death. And that's a big difference.
It's not just that we don't know. You don't avoid death. As a Christian, you conquer death. And that's a big difference.
What it's trying to do is the campfire is trying to get to the same temperature as everything around it, which is called equilibrium. And so the philosophers looked at this and they said, you know, the past has to have a beginning. Like Genesis 1 has to be – the Christian philosophers have said this – The Genesis one has to be true because the past has to have a beginning.
What it's trying to do is the campfire is trying to get to the same temperature as everything around it, which is called equilibrium. And so the philosophers looked at this and they said, you know, the past has to have a beginning. Like Genesis 1 has to be – the Christian philosophers have said this – The Genesis one has to be true because the past has to have a beginning.
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It can't be like this eternal regression. There has to be a beginning to all this because of the second law of thermodynamics. Because given enough time, every fire in the universe will eventually burn out. But they're clearly not burned out because we still have the sun that gives us heat and a lot of other stars as well, which means that we haven't been here for an infinite amount of time.
It can't be like this eternal regression. There has to be a beginning to all this because of the second law of thermodynamics. Because given enough time, every fire in the universe will eventually burn out. But they're clearly not burned out because we still have the sun that gives us heat and a lot of other stars as well, which means that we haven't been here for an infinite amount of time.
There's a cosmic battle. There's a meta battle. No doubt. I totally agree. I think that there's a lot of discussion here.
There's a cosmic battle. There's a meta battle. No doubt. I totally agree. I think that there's a lot of discussion here.
Exactly. He does save us from our sins, personally. But he's also, like, we're being part, we're being invited into part of a cosmic battle. We're being invited into something much bigger than just our individual selves. Think about that Ephesians 3 passage when it says that through the church, the colorful or the manifold wisdom of God is being known to the,
Exactly. He does save us from our sins, personally. But he's also, like, we're being part, we're being invited into part of a cosmic battle. We're being invited into something much bigger than just our individual selves. Think about that Ephesians 3 passage when it says that through the church, the colorful or the manifold wisdom of God is being known to the,
I think it says the principalities and the rulers and the heavenly realms.
I think it says the principalities and the rulers and the heavenly realms.
We're doing more than just – it's not that we don't – we are saved from our sin by Jesus, but we're also saved to something, and there's a bigger thing going on here.
We're doing more than just – it's not that we don't – we are saved from our sin by Jesus, but we're also saved to something, and there's a bigger thing going on here.
Because if we had been, There wouldn't be any heat left. And so we actually can look at entropy as a tremendous example and evidence for the existence of the true claims of the Bible because it points to the fact that the universe began to exist. It hasn't always been here.
Because if we had been, There wouldn't be any heat left. And so we actually can look at entropy as a tremendous example and evidence for the existence of the true claims of the Bible because it points to the fact that the universe began to exist. It hasn't always been here.
I'm preaching on that in two weeks. I was like, ooh. That's good. This is good. Because that curtain, what did it have sewn into it? that curtain, the veil that was torn, it had the cherubims sewn in. Yeah, that's what he put. And think about this, that behind that curtain in the temple was a place called the Holy of Holies. That's the whole point of the book of Hebrews, by the way.
I'm preaching on that in two weeks. I was like, ooh. That's good. This is good. Because that curtain, what did it have sewn into it? that curtain, the veil that was torn, it had the cherubims sewn in. Yeah, that's what he put. And think about this, that behind that curtain in the temple was a place called the Holy of Holies. That's the whole point of the book of Hebrews, by the way.
The only way of getting in there is through the high priest, and he has to make the sacrifice for the people's sins once a year, and then first he has to atone for himself, and there's this whole like... Like, picture the Hebrew writer's painting. It was like, this is not a great system. You know what I mean? Like, is it going to work?
The only way of getting in there is through the high priest, and he has to make the sacrifice for the people's sins once a year, and then first he has to atone for himself, and there's this whole like... Like, picture the Hebrew writer's painting. It was like, this is not a great system. You know what I mean? Like, is it going to work?
Man, what if we had a better system with a better priesthood where the priest didn't even have to atone for his own sins? He was perfect. And he didn't atone for our sins. Oh, by the way, then he also became the atonement for our sins. Oh, and also he is the temple. And you're seeing the picture played out here.
Man, what if we had a better system with a better priesthood where the priest didn't even have to atone for his own sins? He was perfect. And he didn't atone for our sins. Oh, by the way, then he also became the atonement for our sins. Oh, and also he is the temple. And you're seeing the picture played out here.
And I think that you see this in this text too, because when you think about the Sabbath, And Mark, Luke, I think in Matthew, they all have another event where Jesus addresses the Sabbath.
And I think that you see this in this text too, because when you think about the Sabbath, And Mark, Luke, I think in Matthew, they all have another event where Jesus addresses the Sabbath.
Yeah, think about what he says in Mark 2. He says that the problem is, is you guys didn't understand that the Sabbath... was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. You missed it. And the other part you missed is that Jesus, me speaking as Jesus, I'm Lord of the Sabbath. Oh, exactly. You missed those two big things, which is the whole thing we talked about in the last podcast.
Yeah, think about what he says in Mark 2. He says that the problem is, is you guys didn't understand that the Sabbath... was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. You missed it. And the other part you missed is that Jesus, me speaking as Jesus, I'm Lord of the Sabbath. Oh, exactly. You missed those two big things, which is the whole thing we talked about in the last podcast.
So what does that do anything about the signs? And you brought up Hezekiah. If you end up just worshiping the signs, then you worship the Sabbath and you don't understand what the Sabbath was for because you don't understand who's the head of the Sabbath. Don't worship the signs. Worship the sign giver, the one who has authority over the signs.
So what does that do anything about the signs? And you brought up Hezekiah. If you end up just worshiping the signs, then you worship the Sabbath and you don't understand what the Sabbath was for because you don't understand who's the head of the Sabbath. Don't worship the signs. Worship the sign giver, the one who has authority over the signs.
And then you'll be able to see the sign in its context that these are actually made for our benefit.
And then you'll be able to see the sign in its context that these are actually made for our benefit.
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Well, that's legalism, right? So what is the definition of legalism? One definition we could use would be to take the things of God, the commandments of God, and twist, turn them into something that God does for Him instead of something that God does for us. Like we got to earn it somehow through keeping these.
Well, that's legalism, right? So what is the definition of legalism? One definition we could use would be to take the things of God, the commandments of God, and twist, turn them into something that God does for Him instead of something that God does for us. Like we got to earn it somehow through keeping these.
It takes all kinds of people, though. We need each other. You know what I mean?
It takes all kinds of people, though. We need each other. You know what I mean?
I think that'll help.
I think that'll help.
Look, I was dating.
Look, I was dating.
The Bangles.
The Bangles.
Hold on. Is this, did you make this up or is this like a real?
Hold on. Is this, did you make this up or is this like a real?
Well, let me just say something to our audience here. I think this is important. If you don't think we study for this podcast, the fact that he went that deep. I mean, he thought 1980. I mean, you did your work. You did your research.
Well, let me just say something to our audience here. I think this is important. If you don't think we study for this podcast, the fact that he went that deep. I mean, he thought 1980. I mean, you did your work. You did your research.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
I don't have a lot of memories from the late 80s. I do have, when you say 1985. You were just a young lad. I was a little kid, but I do remember something from 1985. Every time I hear 1985, something pops in my head. What do you think it is? The most significant event in my mind.
I don't have a lot of memories from the late 80s. I do have, when you say 1985. You were just a young lad. I was a little kid, but I do remember something from 1985. Every time I hear 1985, something pops in my head. What do you think it is? The most significant event in my mind.
Icky Woods, the Icky Shuffle, the 1985 Refrigerator Perry, the quarterback was Jim McMahon. It was a big thing, the 85 Bears.
Icky Woods, the Icky Shuffle, the 1985 Refrigerator Perry, the quarterback was Jim McMahon. It was a big thing, the 85 Bears.
You said we were talking about vision law. We were talking about age, and I said the one thing that none of us are going to escape is entropy.
You said we were talking about vision law. We were talking about age, and I said the one thing that none of us are going to escape is entropy.
Yeah, that was our first. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah.
Yeah, that was our first. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah.
I'm trying to think of what he said.
I'm trying to think of what he said.
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I hadn't been around and I hadn't seen him in a few months. So I come in, it's like, whoa. Which I remember when Cy came up to see my mom. Yeah. And he walked in to see her, and, of course, he just – I mean, he was like me with you yesterday, Jason. He just lost it. We hugged each other and cried together. But it's because he hadn't seen her. So I think you have an image in your mind.
I hadn't been around and I hadn't seen him in a few months. So I come in, it's like, whoa. Which I remember when Cy came up to see my mom. Yeah. And he walked in to see her, and, of course, he just – I mean, he was like me with you yesterday, Jason. He just lost it. We hugged each other and cried together. But it's because he hadn't seen her. So I think you have an image in your mind.
I've said this a lot about dementia and Alzheimer's. I think anyone in our audience who's gone through it, this will resonate with them. We talk a lot about how it steals the memories of the ones who have the disease, but for me, it also steals the memory of the one caring for the people who have the disease because you're seeing this slow progression over time and it's hard to watch.
I've said this a lot about dementia and Alzheimer's. I think anyone in our audience who's gone through it, this will resonate with them. We talk a lot about how it steals the memories of the ones who have the disease, but for me, it also steals the memory of the one caring for the people who have the disease because you're seeing this slow progression over time and it's hard to watch.
But when you come in, it's a little more shocking when you see it, you know, in real life. But, yeah, I lost it. It was kind of a tough trip. I didn't anticipate that. I didn't anticipate, you know, either breaking down on you either, Jace.
But when you come in, it's a little more shocking when you see it, you know, in real life. But, yeah, I lost it. It was kind of a tough trip. I didn't anticipate that. I didn't anticipate, you know, either breaking down on you either, Jace.
What did he tell you, Jace, when you were there about the message to get to Kay? I thought that was funny. About the Navy? No, no one always said, tell her to call me.
What did he tell you, Jace, when you were there about the message to get to Kay? I thought that was funny. About the Navy? No, no one always said, tell her to call me.
She's in a hospital setting right now.
She's in a hospital setting right now.
And, uh, yeah. It reminds me of that, uh, verse or in Ecclesiastes where it says that God has put eternity in the hearts of men. And then there's Psalms 90, teach us, Lord, to number our days. I think it says so that we might gain certain wisdom. And I think that it is really important to contemplate your own mortality. I mean, I think you see it when you have loved ones facing stuff.
And, uh, yeah. It reminds me of that, uh, verse or in Ecclesiastes where it says that God has put eternity in the hearts of men. And then there's Psalms 90, teach us, Lord, to number our days. I think it says so that we might gain certain wisdom. And I think that it is really important to contemplate your own mortality. I mean, I think you see it when you have loved ones facing stuff.
But Jason, you made this point before. We're going through the Gospel of John. Every one of the people that got healed died. they eventually didn't get healed. We are part of a bigger story and this side of the second coming. So we emphasize the kingdom is here a lot on this podcast, but we also need to remember that it's not fully here. There is going to be a full consummation later.
But Jason, you made this point before. We're going through the Gospel of John. Every one of the people that got healed died. they eventually didn't get healed. We are part of a bigger story and this side of the second coming. So we emphasize the kingdom is here a lot on this podcast, but we also need to remember that it's not fully here. There is going to be a full consummation later.
None of us knew what Phil was thinking. That's okay.
None of us knew what Phil was thinking. That's okay.
Yeah. Hang on, man. No, hang on. I don't know why. I talked to Kay the other day.
Yeah. Hang on, man. No, hang on. I don't know why. I talked to Kay the other day.
Something about handling snakes and that deal, too. Oh, that's North Carolina.
Something about handling snakes and that deal, too. Oh, that's North Carolina.
We were married in 76, Mary.
We were married in 76, Mary.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Okay.
In the back of your dad's brown station wagon.
In the back of your dad's brown station wagon.
Yeah, so our early story was I was – rebellious, to say the least. And I saw, this is what I saw in Christianity. I'm not saying that that's what it was, but I saw a system that was in place that no one could ever live up to. And so I thought, why in the world would I want to be a part of this if failure is the end result anyway?
Yeah, so our early story was I was – rebellious, to say the least. And I saw, this is what I saw in Christianity. I'm not saying that that's what it was, but I saw a system that was in place that no one could ever live up to. And so I thought, why in the world would I want to be a part of this if failure is the end result anyway?
And so I started doing, it was early 70s, I was doing all kinds of drugs and stuff, you know, My mission was to try them all, and that's what I did. I still can't believe her dad even let me come over to their house. If I would have been... her dad, I would have got a hit man or something. Get this kid out of here. Yeah. But he didn't, uh, he saw something in me.
And so I started doing, it was early 70s, I was doing all kinds of drugs and stuff, you know, My mission was to try them all, and that's what I did. I still can't believe her dad even let me come over to their house. If I would have been... her dad, I would have got a hit man or something. Get this kid out of here. Yeah. But he didn't, uh, he saw something in me.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
The cool, uh, fast forward way, just a little bit of snippet was that the last 10 years of his life, we served as elders together in the church. And, uh, that was probably one of the coolest thing. Yeah. And so, but anyway, my life was, um, full of just bad decisions. We got married because Mary got pregnant and, um, didn't realize that all it took was one time to, to, to do the deal. And she did.
The cool, uh, fast forward way, just a little bit of snippet was that the last 10 years of his life, we served as elders together in the church. And, uh, that was probably one of the coolest thing. Yeah. And so, but anyway, my life was, um, full of just bad decisions. We got married because Mary got pregnant and, um, didn't realize that all it took was one time to, to, to do the deal. And she did.
And so we got married, her dad officiated the service. And, um, so from that point on for the next 10 years, I lived a very rebellious life doing any kind of drug I could do. I was, uh, uh, shooting up all the time and all that stuff, something I'm definitely not proud of, but I am proud of the fact that Jesus would take the biggest risk ever on me and trust me. And, um,
And so we got married, her dad officiated the service. And, um, so from that point on for the next 10 years, I lived a very rebellious life doing any kind of drug I could do. I was, uh, uh, shooting up all the time and all that stuff, something I'm definitely not proud of, but I am proud of the fact that Jesus would take the biggest risk ever on me and trust me. And, um,
Yeah, we were, Mary had already turned her life back over to Jesus. She said several years earlier that she was going to quit all the partying and stuff. I said, well, go ahead, not me, because this is how you marry me. I'll be this way to the day I die. That's just who I am. And she went to church that morning. Our kids were, I think, four and seven.
Yeah, we were, Mary had already turned her life back over to Jesus. She said several years earlier that she was going to quit all the partying and stuff. I said, well, go ahead, not me, because this is how you marry me. I'll be this way to the day I die. That's just who I am. And she went to church that morning. Our kids were, I think, four and seven.
Yeah. Well, that says a lot right there. Hey, no, really, for me, it's like, if you sit next to, I sat right next to Phil in the duck blind, you know, because I was the biscuit man, so he was closest to the food, you know. But if you're sitting there, that means there's somebody on the other side of you, and usually that was some idiot that was shooting, and it was always in my ears.
Yeah. Well, that says a lot right there. Hey, no, really, for me, it's like, if you sit next to, I sat right next to Phil in the duck blind, you know, because I was the biscuit man, so he was closest to the food, you know. But if you're sitting there, that means there's somebody on the other side of you, and usually that was some idiot that was shooting, and it was always in my ears.
Our youngest daughter, Callie, came and stood beside the bed and looked at her mom and said, She was looking at me, but talking to her mom and said, how come daddy doesn't do anything with us anymore? How come he doesn't go to church? And I would pretend to be asleep. But I heard every word she said. And it was that moment God gave me this gift of clarity.
Our youngest daughter, Callie, came and stood beside the bed and looked at her mom and said, She was looking at me, but talking to her mom and said, how come daddy doesn't do anything with us anymore? How come he doesn't go to church? And I would pretend to be asleep. But I heard every word she said. And it was that moment God gave me this gift of clarity.
And the clear thinking that I had right then, that moment of sane thinking, was that I was killing everybody that I claimed to love. And so they left for church that morning.
And the clear thinking that I had right then, that moment of sane thinking, was that I was killing everybody that I claimed to love. And so they left for church that morning.
Yeah, please.
Yeah, please.
Because you thought I was insane.
Because you thought I was insane.
There's a mental illness in the family, and she thought, well, he's insane too.
There's a mental illness in the family, and she thought, well, he's insane too.
And what was the sermon that morning?
And what was the sermon that morning?
And the girls were in the backseat singing?
And the girls were in the backseat singing?
Because real men don't cry.
Because real men don't cry.
He was an old country preacher that loved broken people.
He was an old country preacher that loved broken people.
And that was the coolest thing ever because he came over that day. Because I was like, you know, OK, I guess I'll talk to Ray. What I didn't know, he'd been coming to my shop for years and he would get me to build stuff for him. And it was stuff he didn't even need. I mean, he just gave me a bit.
And that was the coolest thing ever because he came over that day. Because I was like, you know, OK, I guess I'll talk to Ray. What I didn't know, he'd been coming to my shop for years and he would get me to build stuff for him. And it was stuff he didn't even need. I mean, he just gave me a bit.
And so, you know, back then, nobody wore hearing protection. And so that's why none of us can hear anymore. All them shotguns.
And so, you know, back then, nobody wore hearing protection. And so that's why none of us can hear anymore. All them shotguns.
He was building a relationship because he saw something in me that was worthwhile while others saw worth less. Yeah. And so he came over that day and said, look, you don't have to confess before the whole church, but if you do, you might help somebody else. I'm thinking, I might help somebody else. I'm the one that needs help right now. You know, so anyway, we went to church that night.
He was building a relationship because he saw something in me that was worthwhile while others saw worth less. Yeah. And so he came over that day and said, look, you don't have to confess before the whole church, but if you do, you might help somebody else. I'm thinking, I might help somebody else. I'm the one that needs help right now. You know, so anyway, we went to church that night.
Or shooting up in the church bathroom.
Or shooting up in the church bathroom.
But nobody went. No more overalls at church. Every Sunday.
But nobody went. No more overalls at church. Every Sunday.
That's exactly what they said. They said, you're our first drug addict. We don't know what to do with you. But we want you to keep coming back. And that's what I heard. But there's a little lady there that came up to me that night. She goes, I think you need to go to AA. And I said, is that like a car club? She said, no, that's AAA. You need AA Alcoholics Anonymous. That was a true story.
That's exactly what they said. They said, you're our first drug addict. We don't know what to do with you. But we want you to keep coming back. And that's what I heard. But there's a little lady there that came up to me that night. She goes, I think you need to go to AA. And I said, is that like a car club? She said, no, that's AAA. You need AA Alcoholics Anonymous. That was a true story.
Yeah, because normally when somebody came down front, I remember I had to come down front years earlier when I was a teenager. And Bill, his father-in-law, one of our mentors, took my response. And he said, well, he said his priorities are out of line, but I think he just likes to sin.
Yeah, because normally when somebody came down front, I remember I had to come down front years earlier when I was a teenager. And Bill, his father-in-law, one of our mentors, took my response. And he said, well, he said his priorities are out of line, but I think he just likes to sin.
Oh, I had a resentment for him. I had a resentment towards him for years. Later, I had to go back and make amends, part of my recovery journey.
Oh, I had a resentment for him. I had a resentment towards him for years. Later, I had to go back and make amends, part of my recovery journey.
And I told him how much I didn't like him. He said, oh, I knew that.
And I told him how much I didn't like him. He said, oh, I knew that.
Oh, that's right. And I, by the way, won that contest. If you don't believe it, go back on YouTube. You'll see that I won.
Oh, that's right. And I, by the way, won that contest. If you don't believe it, go back on YouTube. You'll see that I won.
Oh, it's like famous. Oh, that's funny.
Oh, it's like famous. Oh, that's funny.
Every sin. Huh? Any sin.
Every sin. Huh? Any sin.
Right, yeah. That was a pretty interesting story, actually. I went to treatment. That's where they said, you know, Mary said, this guy wants to talk to you at this treatment center. And I said, pfft. I'm not crazy. I said, you know, but if you want me to go, I'll talk to him. He won't want me to stay. You'll see. Well, he did want me to stay. And so I told him, I said, I guess I'll stay.
Right, yeah. That was a pretty interesting story, actually. I went to treatment. That's where they said, you know, Mary said, this guy wants to talk to you at this treatment center. And I said, pfft. I'm not crazy. I said, you know, but if you want me to go, I'll talk to him. He won't want me to stay. You'll see. Well, he did want me to stay. And so I told him, I said, I guess I'll stay.
But I got to go home and I get my I got to get my stuff.
But I got to go home and I get my I got to get my stuff.
He wasn't coming back home.
He wasn't coming back home.
I couldn't even leave the door, man. So you said, no, we'll bring it in. You just stay right back here. And so it was supposed to be a 30-day treatment center. And at 19 days, they said, we can't do anything more for you because of White's Fair Road. The next Sunday, I'm in this treatment center. Ray Milton gets up there.
I couldn't even leave the door, man. So you said, no, we'll bring it in. You just stay right back here. And so it was supposed to be a 30-day treatment center. And at 19 days, they said, we can't do anything more for you because of White's Fair Road. The next Sunday, I'm in this treatment center. Ray Milton gets up there.
The Sunday before, by the way, was the first time anybody actually said what somebody was sinning for. Yeah. And Ray said, Mike's doing drugs.
The Sunday before, by the way, was the first time anybody actually said what somebody was sinning for. Yeah. And Ray said, Mike's doing drugs.
No.
No.
You'll be bleeping me out.
You'll be bleeping me out.
On that Sunday, and there will probably be plenty of Facebook comments, what was the response? We're not going to say it. We're not going to say it. No, that's okay. But on that Sunday, of course, her dad's sitting down front, and I'm taking responses, but I'm looking at her dad, and he's just like... He started holding his chest. I'm like, oh, he's going to die right now.
On that Sunday, and there will probably be plenty of Facebook comments, what was the response? We're not going to say it. We're not going to say it. No, that's okay. But on that Sunday, of course, her dad's sitting down front, and I'm taking responses, but I'm looking at her dad, and he's just like... He started holding his chest. I'm like, oh, he's going to die right now.
And after that, the next elders meeting, all the elders, the older elders got up to Phil and said, look, you're going to be taking responses in the back of the auditorium.
And after that, the next elders meeting, all the elders, the older elders got up to Phil and said, look, you're going to be taking responses in the back of the auditorium.
No, look, he's sitting there on the video, actually, and he has a shotgun shell that's already opened up. And he's like spitting in the shotgun shell. Accuracy.
No, look, he's sitting there on the video, actually, and he has a shotgun shell that's already opened up. And he's like spitting in the shotgun shell. Accuracy.
We got derailed with that. He did get banished to the back. But anyway, so I'm in this treatment center. I've been in there a week now. And the next Sunday morning, Ray gets up and said, hey, we're going to send Mac a card this Sunday. Everybody just get a card out and write something to Mac. And look, I got over $700. cards that next day in that treatment center.
We got derailed with that. He did get banished to the back. But anyway, so I'm in this treatment center. I've been in there a week now. And the next Sunday morning, Ray gets up and said, hey, we're going to send Mac a card this Sunday. Everybody just get a card out and write something to Mac. And look, I got over $700. cards that next day in that treatment center.
And I still have them to this day. I have them in an envelope at home, all those cards, all those years ago of a church family that loves somebody. that was as broken as you can get. And that was one of the most amazing things in my life. That's why the treatment center finally said at 19 days, you got what you need. You got your people. And I got my people.
And I still have them to this day. I have them in an envelope at home, all those cards, all those years ago of a church family that loves somebody. that was as broken as you can get. And that was one of the most amazing things in my life. That's why the treatment center finally said at 19 days, you got what you need. You got your people. And I got my people.
And so I come back to church the next Sunday and I see Phil there. I didn't know him. I like duck hunting. He liked duck hunting. I didn't use his duck calls. I used Jensen duck calls and old duck calls.
And so I come back to church the next Sunday and I see Phil there. I didn't know him. I like duck hunting. He liked duck hunting. I didn't use his duck calls. I used Jensen duck calls and old duck calls.
He still, from the early days, he's like, I can't believe you. Those are the sorriest calls ever.
He still, from the early days, he's like, I can't believe you. Those are the sorriest calls ever.
Yeah, they were. And by the way, in the 40 years that I knew Phil, He never called me Mac one time. He always called me Owens.
Yeah, they were. And by the way, in the 40 years that I knew Phil, He never called me Mac one time. He always called me Owens.
Sister Owens, yeah. And all the time we spent together was still that. But anyway, so I went up to him, and I heard he'd been sharing the gospel with people. And I'm like, I think I need to know how to do that. Start with this guy.
Sister Owens, yeah. And all the time we spent together was still that. But anyway, so I went up to him, and I heard he'd been sharing the gospel with people. And I'm like, I think I need to know how to do that. Start with this guy.
And so I went up, took two weeks to do it. He didn't wait that long. But I went up to him and said, hey, I heard you share the gospel with people. I think I need to learn how to do that. He said, yeah, I'll get back with you. And he just walks off. So two weeks go by and he doesn't give me a call.
And so I went up, took two weeks to do it. He didn't wait that long. But I went up to him and said, hey, I heard you share the gospel with people. I think I need to learn how to do that. He said, yeah, I'll get back with you. And he just walks off. So two weeks go by and he doesn't give me a call.
And so I called him up and I said, hey, I thought this was like some kind of brotherhood or something. And are you ashamed of me? Because you have not given me a call. He said, hey, Owens, I'll get back with you. And look, he said, he looked over at Kay, and he said, that was that Owens cat. He said, I think he's serious. And look, from that moment on, we went on. I would stop my work.
And so I called him up and I said, hey, I thought this was like some kind of brotherhood or something. And are you ashamed of me? Because you have not given me a call. He said, hey, Owens, I'll get back with you. And look, he said, he looked over at Kay, and he said, that was that Owens cat. He said, I think he's serious. And look, from that moment on, we went on. I would stop my work.
He would give me a call. Got to study. Got to study. We would go on more. We went on more Bible studies together. I became his scribe. In other words, he would share the gospel, but he never would give people verses. So I said, I'm going to start writing them down. And so everything he'd share, I'd write it down and then give it to the person as they left there.
He would give me a call. Got to study. Got to study. We would go on more. We went on more Bible studies together. I became his scribe. In other words, he would share the gospel, but he never would give people verses. So I said, I'm going to start writing them down. And so everything he'd share, I'd write it down and then give it to the person as they left there.
And so that's how I learned to share the gospel was just by writing down what he had been sharing with people. And I'll never forget that we went on one run, 23 gospel studies and no response. It was a response, all right, but it was like, we don't want none of that. And I'm like, good night, son. What are we going to do? And he's like... The next one's coming. And it kept going.
And so that's how I learned to share the gospel was just by writing down what he had been sharing with people. And I'll never forget that we went on one run, 23 gospel studies and no response. It was a response, all right, but it was like, we don't want none of that. And I'm like, good night, son. What are we going to do? And he's like... The next one's coming. And it kept going.
Finally, on number 24, this old sinner that used to play football with him at Tech, we find him somewhere, and he says, no, I want in on this. And Phil looked at me and said, 24.
Finally, on number 24, this old sinner that used to play football with him at Tech, we find him somewhere, and he says, no, I want in on this. And Phil looked at me and said, 24.
It was high octane. It was.
It was high octane. It was.
And so... They approached us with this, and I want you to tell that story because I still thank God today for good, godly women who have questionable taste in men.
And so... They approached us with this, and I want you to tell that story because I still thank God today for good, godly women who have questionable taste in men.
Well, and Mary would say, please don't ever use that as your claim to fame, that you won that contest. Mary, you didn't like that, did you?
Well, and Mary would say, please don't ever use that as your claim to fame, that you won that contest. Mary, you didn't like that, did you?
It was the most... Uncomfortable thing that me and Phil could have ever done.
It was the most... Uncomfortable thing that me and Phil could have ever done.
That's awesome. Alive and active. I love it. You know, I love that because... You know, Bill Smith, too, who was the one that converted Phil, became our mentor. And even, like I said a while ago, I had to go make amends to him because I had this major resentment against him. And then he became one of the men. You know, he was a hard man. I mean, I would hate to say a little bit pharisaical.
That's awesome. Alive and active. I love it. You know, I love that because... You know, Bill Smith, too, who was the one that converted Phil, became our mentor. And even, like I said a while ago, I had to go make amends to him because I had this major resentment against him. And then he became one of the men. You know, he was a hard man. I mean, I would hate to say a little bit pharisaical.
But then he softened, and he became one of the most genuine Christians I've ever met in my life.
But then he softened, and he became one of the most genuine Christians I've ever met in my life.
100%.
100%.
100%. And when I... I love the fact that there was a guy at our church one Sunday. This is after we'd had recovery meetings going in the church and everything. And Jason Jenkins, he comes to church this one Sunday morning and he come up to me afterwards and he said, and Bill was there too. He said, there was a group of people who were like visually worshiping this morning. Who are those people?
100%. And when I... I love the fact that there was a guy at our church one Sunday. This is after we'd had recovery meetings going in the church and everything. And Jason Jenkins, he comes to church this one Sunday morning and he come up to me afterwards and he said, and Bill was there too. He said, there was a group of people who were like visually worshiping this morning. Who are those people?
And Bill Smith, he said, oh, those are the drug addicts and alcoholics. He said, once they got here, they taught the rest of us how to be honest.
And Bill Smith, he said, oh, those are the drug addicts and alcoholics. He said, once they got here, they taught the rest of us how to be honest.
What did you call it?
What did you call it?
Yeah, they were visually worshiping.
Yeah, they were visually worshiping.
Yeah, like this Friday night, they'll have probably 500 people there.
Yeah, like this Friday night, they'll have probably 500 people there.
Is that right?
Is that right?
I am the global— Director of celebrate recovery. And what that means is that, you know, people say, what does that title mean? I said, first of all, I'm not real big on titles, but it means I was more messed up than anybody else. But your dad, uh, I love it. Your dad's in this picture too. He's at our celebrate recovery one night and you know, he did a video.
I am the global— Director of celebrate recovery. And what that means is that, you know, people say, what does that title mean? I said, first of all, I'm not real big on titles, but it means I was more messed up than anybody else. But your dad, uh, I love it. Your dad's in this picture too. He's at our celebrate recovery one night and you know, he did a video.
He had got a guy coming from Texas, did a video of Bill, Phil, myself, and it was just about how the progression of sharing the gospel goes and how you- Like the generations of it. Yeah, generations. And this dude, he's an ex-baseball player or whatever. He's huge, man. He's in our Celebrate Recovery that night because Gordon, your dad, said, hey, you want to go to CR tonight? He said, what is CR?
He had got a guy coming from Texas, did a video of Bill, Phil, myself, and it was just about how the progression of sharing the gospel goes and how you- Like the generations of it. Yeah, generations. And this dude, he's an ex-baseball player or whatever. He's huge, man. He's in our Celebrate Recovery that night because Gordon, your dad, said, hey, you want to go to CR tonight? He said, what is CR?
He said, oh, you got to come by. So he goes in there and- They're worshiping that night. Visually worshiping. Visually worshiping. And I look back, and this guy, big old dude, sitting down and just bawling. And your dad looks over at me and says, is everything okay? He said, yeah. He said, what's going on? He said, I've never seen people worship like this.
He said, oh, you got to come by. So he goes in there and- They're worshiping that night. Visually worshiping. Visually worshiping. And I look back, and this guy, big old dude, sitting down and just bawling. And your dad looks over at me and says, is everything okay? He said, yeah. He said, what's going on? He said, I've never seen people worship like this.
And your dad said, nobody told them they couldn't.
And your dad said, nobody told them they couldn't.
They don't know any better. I'll use that. I love that.
They don't know any better. I'll use that. I love that.
That's very good. Well, he says in Ephesians 6 there, too, that he says, you know, that our battle is not against flesh, but against the heavenly beings that are just right outside of our view. You know, so there's a battle going on right here. But because of this and us sharing God's power to change lives,
That's very good. Well, he says in Ephesians 6 there, too, that he says, you know, that our battle is not against flesh, but against the heavenly beings that are just right outside of our view. You know, so there's a battle going on right here. But because of this and us sharing God's power to change lives,
Already written. You already did it? Yeah. Matter of fact, I wrote it down and
Already written. You already did it? Yeah. Matter of fact, I wrote it down and
uh well years ago uh i love that verse uh because it says you know therefore you're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses and because of that you need to get rid of the sin that so easily entangles you and throw that off so that you can run the race that yours that has been set before you and so years ago uh one of my heroes actually darren allison died
uh well years ago uh i love that verse uh because it says you know therefore you're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses and because of that you need to get rid of the sin that so easily entangles you and throw that off so that you can run the race that yours that has been set before you and so years ago uh one of my heroes actually darren allison died
And I was just looking at that verse and I said, he's in that great cloud of witnesses now. I'm writing his name down in here. And so from that day forward, every time somebody died that was prominent in my life, I would write their name down. And so actually Alan Lisa texted me that night and said, would you send us a picture of Hebrews 12? And I knew what they meant. And so I did. And I have,
And I was just looking at that verse and I said, he's in that great cloud of witnesses now. I'm writing his name down in here. And so from that day forward, every time somebody died that was prominent in my life, I would write their name down. And so actually Alan Lisa texted me that night and said, would you send us a picture of Hebrews 12? And I knew what they meant. And so I did. And I have,
It's really cool because there was one place left in my Bible that was Phil's place. I didn't know it.
It's really cool because there was one place left in my Bible that was Phil's place. I didn't know it.
but it was right above that part that said you're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses and so in big bold letters I just wrote feel and then I put an arrow out beside it and at the top of the page my friend and brother and so so yeah he's in Hebrews 12 now if you never thought about that I would encourage you
but it was right above that part that said you're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses and so in big bold letters I just wrote feel and then I put an arrow out beside it and at the top of the page my friend and brother and so so yeah he's in Hebrews 12 now if you never thought about that I would encourage you
When somebody passes on in your life that has meant something to you in the faith, go to Hebrews 12 and just put their name in the margins.
When somebody passes on in your life that has meant something to you in the faith, go to Hebrews 12 and just put their name in the margins.
Okay.
Okay.
You know, you said that. That should be a red flag for anybody. When somebody says the most holy words that I've ever heard is, I've never told anyone this.
You know, you said that. That should be a red flag for anybody. When somebody says the most holy words that I've ever heard is, I've never told anyone this.
Because you're fixing to embark on part of their journey that you may be a catalyst to help them overcome that. And so, yeah, that's powerful words right there.
Because you're fixing to embark on part of their journey that you may be a catalyst to help them overcome that. And so, yeah, that's powerful words right there.
Yeah, I love what you said, being back here. Of course, we're living in Colorado now, and everybody back here is talking about how hot it is. I said, well, it snowed at our house a foot and a half last week.
Yeah, I love what you said, being back here. Of course, we're living in Colorado now, and everybody back here is talking about how hot it is. I said, well, it snowed at our house a foot and a half last week.
I've been asked to leave places before, too. Yeah.
I've been asked to leave places before, too. Yeah.
Right, 9,000 feet. And Phil would look at me and say, Owens, why would anybody want to live there?
Right, 9,000 feet. And Phil would look at me and say, Owens, why would anybody want to live there?
He was another... Man, you're bringing up a lot of names. I know Wayne Spruill. I know William Guyton. We go back a long way, Paul. We really do.
He was another... Man, you're bringing up a lot of names. I know Wayne Spruill. I know William Guyton. We go back a long way, Paul. We really do.
It was pretty cool because when you're doing that, you're going to school, and I'm working construction. I'm actually digging the footings for Ouachita Christian School. Is that right? That was the hottest summer of my life. Well, I appreciate that, man. No problem.
It was pretty cool because when you're doing that, you're going to school, and I'm working construction. I'm actually digging the footings for Ouachita Christian School. Is that right? That was the hottest summer of my life. Well, I appreciate that, man. No problem.
We bonded.
We bonded.
Mr. Marshall.
Mr. Marshall.
So it does seem that quid pro quo. I mean, that's the nature of a relationship, though, if you think about it. A relationship's never a one-sided, you know, like, it's, you know, you seek each other, and you find that connection. I think that the Lord... God, the Father, wants, He's a relational God, even in His inner life. He's Father, Son, Spirit. He's not one person.
So it does seem that quid pro quo. I mean, that's the nature of a relationship, though, if you think about it. A relationship's never a one-sided, you know, like, it's, you know, you seek each other, and you find that connection. I think that the Lord... God, the Father, wants, He's a relational God, even in His inner life. He's Father, Son, Spirit. He's not one person.
She knew our name. Really? She did. And then she said, what happens if this plane goes down?
She knew our name. Really? She did. And then she said, what happens if this plane goes down?
He's three persons, one being. So I think we see that, and I think a lot of times in theologies, we'll get off when we miss that. But I understand why we probably miss that sometimes, because we don't want to give man credit for anything in terms of salvation. True. But I am a relational being, and God has called me into relationships. So there is a mutual, I mean, I do seek Him. Now,
He's three persons, one being. So I think we see that, and I think a lot of times in theologies, we'll get off when we miss that. But I understand why we probably miss that sometimes, because we don't want to give man credit for anything in terms of salvation. True. But I am a relational being, and God has called me into relationships. So there is a mutual, I mean, I do seek Him. Now,
Now, Romans says that no one seeks God, but the point, I think, is in our own will, it's been distorted. It has been corrupted by the fall. But Romans also says that those by persistence seek glory and immortality, he will give eternal life. So I think there's like this, I think that's the God's, he is connecting with people through a revelation of himself.
Now, Romans says that no one seeks God, but the point, I think, is in our own will, it's been distorted. It has been corrupted by the fall. But Romans also says that those by persistence seek glory and immortality, he will give eternal life. So I think there's like this, I think that's the God's, he is connecting with people through a revelation of himself.
What are you going to do? And we're like, uh. And I was trying to remember because I've been on this.
What are you going to do? And we're like, uh. And I was trying to remember because I've been on this.
And he reveals that to us, and we can reject that. We can reject the conviction of the Spirit and say, I don't want any part of that. But to reject that is to actually reject truth, and to reject truth is to reject the very essence of life itself, because that's what God is revealing to us.
And he reveals that to us, and we can reject that. We can reject the conviction of the Spirit and say, I don't want any part of that. But to reject that is to actually reject truth, and to reject truth is to reject the very essence of life itself, because that's what God is revealing to us.
This is mind-boggling that over a billion children in the world are growing up in spiritual darkness, over a billion, having never heard the gospel. But our friends at Tomorrow Clubs are helping the gospel reach those children. In fact, they started back in Ukraine in 1997, the year after I graduated high school.
This is mind-boggling that over a billion children in the world are growing up in spiritual darkness, over a billion, having never heard the gospel. But our friends at Tomorrow Clubs are helping the gospel reach those children. In fact, they started back in Ukraine in 1997, the year after I graduated high school.
And now that ministry, Tomorrow Clubs, has grown to become the country's largest children's ministry. That's quite impressive. Mm-hmm. And then three years ago, we all know about the war that happened, and it is happening in Ukraine, which turned everything upside down. Families being torn apart. Communities are shattered. But in the midst of it all, God still opens up doors.
And now that ministry, Tomorrow Clubs, has grown to become the country's largest children's ministry. That's quite impressive. Mm-hmm. And then three years ago, we all know about the war that happened, and it is happening in Ukraine, which turned everything upside down. Families being torn apart. Communities are shattered. But in the midst of it all, God still opens up doors.
What do you do? He goes back to the seatbelt. I'm screaming, what do you do? We don't know. She called us out. She was like, I can't help you. I got to be the last one.
What do you do? He goes back to the seatbelt. I'm screaming, what do you do? We don't know. She called us out. She was like, I can't help you. I got to be the last one.
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blundering of dallas chosen has chosen debacle you showed up at the chosen but you weren't chosen he was unchosen it just shows you yeah how you got chosen he showed up unchosen at the chosen but then got chosen if you seek you will find that is true or you will be found i'm
blundering of dallas chosen has chosen debacle you showed up at the chosen but you weren't chosen he was unchosen it just shows you yeah how you got chosen he showed up unchosen at the chosen but then got chosen if you seek you will find that is true or you will be found i'm
Yeah, you see it. And that's the correlation to the text here is the Father wants worshipers who will worship him in truth and spirit. If your relationship with your spouse or with Lisa, if it was just transactional and you're like, what are the things I got to do? I'm going to study about Lisa. I'm going to know about Lisa. I know all the things that she likes.
Yeah, you see it. And that's the correlation to the text here is the Father wants worshipers who will worship him in truth and spirit. If your relationship with your spouse or with Lisa, if it was just transactional and you're like, what are the things I got to do? I'm going to study about Lisa. I'm going to know about Lisa. I know all the things that she likes.
But if it never moved beyond that to like a real personal connection where your spirit is connected. And then I think the truth comes into play in that like this is a revelation of reality. And so we can hide behind a lot of lies as humans. We can trick ourselves. I mean, guilty as charged. And the kind of worshipers the Father is seeking is not the Pharisees who had the illusion
But if it never moved beyond that to like a real personal connection where your spirit is connected. And then I think the truth comes into play in that like this is a revelation of reality. And so we can hide behind a lot of lies as humans. We can trick ourselves. I mean, guilty as charged. And the kind of worshipers the Father is seeking is not the Pharisees who had the illusion
of worship, but really their hearts were far from him. So they had built these structures. It was like a virtue signaling.
of worship, but really their hearts were far from him. So they had built these structures. It was like a virtue signaling.
But it's like still you've got to present like it is.
But it's like still you've got to present like it is.
We all know it's fake. But the social – you climb the social ladder based on how well – this is particularly true for young people – how well you can present. And that's why like it doesn't even matter like you – but you see this person. You ever saw like someone on Facebook or Instagram and you meet them in real life. You're like, ooh, you don't quite look the same as I thought you would. Yeah.
We all know it's fake. But the social – you climb the social ladder based on how well – this is particularly true for young people – how well you can present. And that's why like it doesn't even matter like you – but you see this person. You ever saw like someone on Facebook or Instagram and you meet them in real life. You're like, ooh, you don't quite look the same as I thought you would. Yeah.
Probably people say that about me, but it's the picture, it's the virtue, it's the whitewashed tomb. And this passage in John 4, Jesus is disrupting that entire motif, and he's saying, I'm actually penetrating right to the core of the human. I'm looking for real relationship, which is why he goes on later in John, the Gospel of John, to define eternal life as a person. Knowing a person.
Probably people say that about me, but it's the picture, it's the virtue, it's the whitewashed tomb. And this passage in John 4, Jesus is disrupting that entire motif, and he's saying, I'm actually penetrating right to the core of the human. I'm looking for real relationship, which is why he goes on later in John, the Gospel of John, to define eternal life as a person. Knowing a person.
I'm going to be transformed. This body. Al, we've been doing this podcast, and we don't use the phrase going to heaven, have we?
I'm going to be transformed. This body. Al, we've been doing this podcast, and we don't use the phrase going to heaven, have we?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you just had the guy. What's his name? Throw in the comedian that was sitting at the front row seat. I think the Lakers gal. I forgot who they were playing. What's that guy's name? He's a famous comedian. And he ate something right before the game. And he got food poisoning. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.
Well, you just had the guy. What's his name? Throw in the comedian that was sitting at the front row seat. I think the Lakers gal. I forgot who they were playing. What's that guy's name? He's a famous comedian. And he ate something right before the game. And he got food poisoning. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.
And he threw up on the... And it's like all... It was like all over the... The papers had pictures of the whole... I mean, that's a vulnerable... You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You don't want to lose your credibility. Even though it's like normal. We all do it. But to have that broadcasted across...
And he threw up on the... And it's like all... It was like all over the... The papers had pictures of the whole... I mean, that's a vulnerable... You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You don't want to lose your credibility. Even though it's like normal. We all do it. But to have that broadcasted across...
Yeah, this was the Knicks game. It was Tracy Morgan.
Yeah, this was the Knicks game. It was Tracy Morgan.
They got him on camera. He'd never be the same.
They got him on camera. He'd never be the same.
Not really.
Not really.
Yeah, it's a vulnerable thing.
Yeah, it's a vulnerable thing.
You could get away with it.
You could get away with it.
Would you just step around and go?
Would you just step around and go?
I've heard you say that, which is shocking.
I've heard you say that, which is shocking.
I don't remember you. He's making up for it, though. You didn't talk a lot when I was a kid, either. It was more... Now, if you cross me, I talked to... Now, you were extremely mean.
I don't remember you. He's making up for it, though. You didn't talk a lot when I was a kid, either. It was more... Now, if you cross me, I talked to... Now, you were extremely mean.
It wasn't just me who thought that. No, it was everybody.
It wasn't just me who thought that. No, it was everybody.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jace, what was the first job that you remember having as a kid?
Jace, what was the first job that you remember having as a kid?
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And she had already yelled at three different people. Sir, sir, sir, sit down. Sir. You're holding up the entire plane.
And she had already yelled at three different people. Sir, sir, sir, sit down. Sir. You're holding up the entire plane.
That's what he's saying.
That's what he's saying.
That's hard to hear. I'm going to be honest with you.
That's hard to hear. I'm going to be honest with you.
Yeah. But you never laughed as a kid. I never saw you laugh. I never saw you smile. No. There's some trauma there.
Yeah. But you never laughed as a kid. I never saw you laugh. I never saw you smile. No. There's some trauma there.
I don't remember having a conversation with you probably the first 15 years of my life. I feel like the relationship started when I was about 17, maybe.
I don't remember having a conversation with you probably the first 15 years of my life. I feel like the relationship started when I was about 17, maybe.
She said, flight attendants.
She said, flight attendants.
Please take your seat. And she never took a beat. She's like, flight attendants, please take a seat. Flight attendants, please take a seat. Flight attendants, please take a seat. And she just kept doing it until the girl sat down.
Please take your seat. And she never took a beat. She's like, flight attendants, please take a seat. Flight attendants, please take a seat. Flight attendants, please take a seat. And she just kept doing it until the girl sat down.
It was a little risky for some of us, but... But, yeah, I mean, you were pretty kind. I was. Jace was very dismissive. Willie was. I don't even know who you're talking about. I don't know about you.
It was a little risky for some of us, but... But, yeah, I mean, you were pretty kind. I was. Jace was very dismissive. Willie was. I don't even know who you're talking about. I don't know about you.
When you were a kid. You were dismissive. You were like, don't talk to me. It was like an unspoken rule that we don't acknowledge each other. If you acknowledge me.
When you were a kid. You were dismissive. You were like, don't talk to me. It was like an unspoken rule that we don't acknowledge each other. If you acknowledge me.
You're right. I have to give you credit. You're right.
You're right. I have to give you credit. You're right.
Now, Willie was, I think he intentionally went after and tried to torment Willie. So his was like, I'm coming after you. I agree. You mentioned the wet willy. The wet willy. Maybe that came from him where you lick your finger and stick it in somebody's ear. And the, what do they call them? The Murphys and all. Anything, any little trick that was like, could like inflict pain.
Now, Willie was, I think he intentionally went after and tried to torment Willie. So his was like, I'm coming after you. I agree. You mentioned the wet willy. The wet willy. Maybe that came from him where you lick your finger and stick it in somebody's ear. And the, what do they call them? The Murphys and all. Anything, any little trick that was like, could like inflict pain.
Like he knew, he knew all those.
Like he knew, he knew all those.
Did y'all fist fight ever?
Did y'all fist fight ever?
And then she ends with, as soon as the girl sat down, she goes, I love you. Which I was like.
And then she ends with, as soon as the girl sat down, she goes, I love you. Which I was like.
He took my knee out one time. He called it a sucker punch.
He took my knee out one time. He called it a sucker punch.
You fought Willie, though. I do remember seeing a few of those.
You fought Willie, though. I do remember seeing a few of those.
He wasn't always fat like he is now.
He wasn't always fat like he is now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wiry guys. Country straw.
Wiry guys. Country straw.
Yeah, the suplex is not a real movie.
Yeah, the suplex is not a real movie.
With what?
With what?
I was in third grade.
I was in third grade.
I kind of remember.
I kind of remember.
Hello, boys. Call me later. Yeah.
Hello, boys. Call me later. Yeah.
I didn't know what to say. It threw me for a loop. Yeah.
I didn't know what to say. It threw me for a loop. Yeah.
Well, your dad is more, you're more like your dad. So you have ice water running through your veins, which is a good thing. But it feels like he was like that. I'm trying to be like Jesus here. Well, I mean, you're emulating Phil as he emulated Jesus. You can give credit to him.
Well, your dad is more, you're more like your dad. So you have ice water running through your veins, which is a good thing. But it feels like he was like that. I'm trying to be like Jesus here. Well, I mean, you're emulating Phil as he emulated Jesus. You can give credit to him.
In a barrel? You put it in a barrel? Just like open range? There's no barrel. Open range.
In a barrel? You put it in a barrel? Just like open range? There's no barrel. Open range.
You moron.
You moron.
So, what did you think? Did you, like, rush over there and think he's dead?
So, what did you think? Did you, like, rush over there and think he's dead?
I was scared. I mean, it was scary.
I was scared. I mean, it was scary.
Something tells me that this is not the childhood that Dr. Hite had in mind when he talked about it. Live with risk. I think as long as you live. Well, we made it. I mean, there's a, I mean, because Jeff also drowned in the river and got pulled out by the dog. I mean, you fell through the roof of the grocery store.
Something tells me that this is not the childhood that Dr. Hite had in mind when he talked about it. Live with risk. I think as long as you live. Well, we made it. I mean, there's a, I mean, because Jeff also drowned in the river and got pulled out by the dog. I mean, you fell through the roof of the grocery store.
What's his name? Gabe? Gabe. Pulled him out of the, dogs matter.
What's his name? Gabe? Gabe. Pulled him out of the, dogs matter.
You wouldn't give me the time of day. That's why somebody's asked me. I wanted to be your friend.
You wouldn't give me the time of day. That's why somebody's asked me. I wanted to be your friend.
I didn't make fun of people when I was that age. Oh, yeah. No, I learned now. It's been a character trait. No, that was just a fizz mechanism I learned over the years.
I didn't make fun of people when I was that age. Oh, yeah. No, I learned now. It's been a character trait. No, that was just a fizz mechanism I learned over the years.
Yeah. The watching of it was like, meh. I got that first cut of the film back. I told them when they made the film, I said, here's the devil. Here's the vision. We're going to show the depravity of man. We don't want to water this down. That was my instruction. No, I know.
Yeah. The watching of it was like, meh. I got that first cut of the film back. I told them when they made the film, I said, here's the devil. Here's the vision. We're going to show the depravity of man. We don't want to water this down. That was my instruction. No, I know.
Yeah, there were some scenes, because you can't go back and you have an hour and a half, two hours to tell a story. The hardest thing to do is to show someone who really was depraved and then... Bring them out. You can do it in a series.
Yeah, there were some scenes, because you can't go back and you have an hour and a half, two hours to tell a story. The hardest thing to do is to show someone who really was depraved and then... Bring them out. You can do it in a series.
It always does.
It always does.
Well, she, I mean, Samaritan woman, I mean, she played a key part in the gospel advancing in that area. No doubt about it. And I think about, you know, I went to that men's retreat recently, and... It was interesting because one of the guys there was talking about the influence of Phil. The web was Phil, Bill Smith, Paul Stevens gave his testimony, which is like crazy powerful. Very powerful.
Well, she, I mean, Samaritan woman, I mean, she played a key part in the gospel advancing in that area. No doubt about it. And I think about, you know, I went to that men's retreat recently, and... It was interesting because one of the guys there was talking about the influence of Phil. The web was Phil, Bill Smith, Paul Stevens gave his testimony, which is like crazy powerful. Very powerful.
One of my favorite Phil stories was we were on a plane. I think I've told it on this podcast before. If I have, I apologize, but Don't apologize. Don't apologize.
One of my favorite Phil stories was we were on a plane. I think I've told it on this podcast before. If I have, I apologize, but Don't apologize. Don't apologize.
who married Bill Smith's daughter, then Phil brought him to Christ.
who married Bill Smith's daughter, then Phil brought him to Christ.
And then my mom was one of the key figures that brought Phil to Christ with Bill Smith. It was like this web of reciprocal benefit of the kingdom. And I think, man, you think you've gone too far. You think you've gone too far, but... I mean, you have no clue what God can do with you and what prominent role you're going to play in the expansion of his kingdom. It's very powerful.
And then my mom was one of the key figures that brought Phil to Christ with Bill Smith. It was like this web of reciprocal benefit of the kingdom. And I think, man, you think you've gone too far. You think you've gone too far, but... I mean, you have no clue what God can do with you and what prominent role you're going to play in the expansion of his kingdom. It's very powerful.
Yeah, just remember, don't ever lay near burning trash. Dangerous out there.
Yeah, just remember, don't ever lay near burning trash. Dangerous out there.
We're on a King Air, 30,000 feet in the air. Just think about that.
We're on a King Air, 30,000 feet in the air. Just think about that.
You're not King of the Air.
You're not King of the Air.
It's me, Phil, my wife. And my son, Bear, who does have a thing, some kind of disorder where he has to touch everything and tear it apart. I don't know if it's a disorder. It's like a curiosity. He's very destructive.
It's me, Phil, my wife. And my son, Bear, who does have a thing, some kind of disorder where he has to touch everything and tear it apart. I don't know if it's a disorder. It's like a curiosity. He's very destructive.
What story were you telling? I forgot.
What story were you telling? I forgot.
He walks in a room, there's a bunch of buttons. He doesn't know what they do. He just starts pushing them. I just see what it would do. Well, you don't know. If they don't do something, you don't know.
He walks in a room, there's a bunch of buttons. He doesn't know what they do. He just starts pushing them. I just see what it would do. Well, you don't know. If they don't do something, you don't know.
Yeah, he pulled the hubcaps off the van when he was two and a half. But where was he born? He's born here in this town.
Yeah, he pulled the hubcaps off the van when he was two and a half. But where was he born? He's born here in this town.
Something with a paper mill. They dump something in the water, some kind of gamma rays.
Something with a paper mill. They dump something in the water, some kind of gamma rays.
He's a hybrid.
He's a hybrid.
He tries things.
He tries things.
He's made it to 17. That's pretty incredible. You know, we've gotten further than we thought. We had a Bears 5 and He's Alive party.
He's made it to 17. That's pretty incredible. You know, we've gotten further than we thought. We had a Bears 5 and He's Alive party.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You got a mouthful of gas. When you're low on gas, you pull up.
You got a mouthful of gas. When you're low on gas, you pull up.
Whoosh.
Whoosh.
A big sucking sound. And, of course, I thought Bear has opened the door. I'm thinking Bear did this. I'm out of here. So Phil, he grabs Bear, because Bear was not in the seatbelt, yanks him back and puts him in the seat. He said, buckle up, son. And then Phil, the first thing out of his mouth. He said, well, boys, it's resurrection time.
A big sucking sound. And, of course, I thought Bear has opened the door. I'm thinking Bear did this. I'm out of here. So Phil, he grabs Bear, because Bear was not in the seatbelt, yanks him back and puts him in the seat. He said, buckle up, son. And then Phil, the first thing out of his mouth. He said, well, boys, it's resurrection time.
Because most people have like a flight or... I guess flight or fight response. Mine is flight. I'm like, whoa, we're dying. This is over. Yeah. And he's just like, well, just... Cold water in the veins. All right, boys, this is what we've been working for.
Because most people have like a flight or... I guess flight or fight response. Mine is flight. I'm like, whoa, we're dying. This is over. Yeah. And he's just like, well, just... Cold water in the veins. All right, boys, this is what we've been working for.
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Well, that's what happened to me then.
Well, that's what happened to me then.
I was not chosen, but I got chosen.
I was not chosen, but I got chosen.
You're like turning it towards him where he can see it.
You're like turning it towards him where he can see it.
He had a face mask. He had a mask.
He had a face mask. He had a mask.
I saw a guy on a motorcycle, and he had the motorcycle on. He's on it by himself, and he's got a mask on.
I saw a guy on a motorcycle, and he had the motorcycle on. He's on it by himself, and he's got a mask on.
And I've seen people driving cars by themselves, and they have masks on. I can't figure out what that is.
And I've seen people driving cars by themselves, and they have masks on. I can't figure out what that is.
I just got used to it again.
I just got used to it again.
Would you get scared in the moment if you heard that?
Would you get scared in the moment if you heard that?
Feisty.
Feisty.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. You would never know this audience, but we are a day late in recording.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. You would never know this audience, but we are a day late in recording.
Well, it sounds like it's getting easier, so I think you just need to keep going. So, Connor, tell us. So you're newly married. Is that right? You're a newlywed, Connor?
Well, it sounds like it's getting easier, so I think you just need to keep going. So, Connor, tell us. So you're newly married. Is that right? You're a newlywed, Connor?
He who marries will be taking on many troubles in this life. That was how he started our wedding.
He who marries will be taking on many troubles in this life. That was how he started our wedding.
When Alabama was one step away. I mean, when he was buying the tickets, there was a possibility.
When Alabama was one step away. I mean, when he was buying the tickets, there was a possibility.
I am liking Connor more and more.
I am liking Connor more and more.
So you're surprised at Missy.
So you're surprised at Missy.
Because Jace has some travel issues or something. I don't know. We started getting texts, Zach, in the night.
Because Jace has some travel issues or something. I don't know. We started getting texts, Zach, in the night.
And for a few fleeting seconds until they recognized who it was, they would believe the story. Well, that was my thinking. Yeah.
And for a few fleeting seconds until they recognized who it was, they would believe the story. Well, that was my thinking. Yeah.
Well, I couldn't help but think kind of when you were talking about it sounds so much like David, like King David. I mean, who's famous.
Well, I couldn't help but think kind of when you were talking about it sounds so much like David, like King David. I mean, who's famous.
for being a king and slaying goliath and doing all these things but really his heart was it was the heart of the musician and the writing of the psalms i mean those weren't we think of those now because they inspire so many worship songs it's like he was just it was strictly that but these a lot of these were just where his heart was at the moment some of them are rough Some of them are raw.
for being a king and slaying goliath and doing all these things but really his heart was it was the heart of the musician and the writing of the psalms i mean those weren't we think of those now because they inspire so many worship songs it's like he was just it was strictly that but these a lot of these were just where his heart was at the moment some of them are rough Some of them are raw.
Some of them are about destroying my enemies and all these different things. But it was a a word spoken into his culture at his time. But that God was always a part of it. And so, you know, like you, I mean, he had he had different gifts, but that was the one it seemed like that he relied on the most, which which I thought was pretty powerful.
Some of them are about destroying my enemies and all these different things. But it was a a word spoken into his culture at his time. But that God was always a part of it. And so, you know, like you, I mean, he had he had different gifts, but that was the one it seemed like that he relied on the most, which which I thought was pretty powerful.
But, you know, Zach, you're a little off. It wasn't the Hall of Fame deal, but it was in the Superdome, and you described it perfectly. And it was just 400 surprised Cajuns that dad would do this. But you're right. It immediately changed the impact, kind of what Connor was describing. But what's more interesting, when dad walked off stage, because I was there –
But, you know, Zach, you're a little off. It wasn't the Hall of Fame deal, but it was in the Superdome, and you described it perfectly. And it was just 400 surprised Cajuns that dad would do this. But you're right. It immediately changed the impact, kind of what Connor was describing. But what's more interesting, when dad walked off stage, because I was there –
The guy who was selling our duck calls for us, he looked at dad and he was like, Phil, you can't do that. He was a Cajun. He said, you can't do that. You can't mix your business and your religion. You'll lose both. And I'll never forget. Dad looked him square in the eye and he said, do you understand? Without Jesus, there would be no business. It's the reason I'm here.
The guy who was selling our duck calls for us, he looked at dad and he was like, Phil, you can't do that. He was a Cajun. He said, you can't do that. You can't mix your business and your religion. You'll lose both. And I'll never forget. Dad looked him square in the eye and he said, do you understand? Without Jesus, there would be no business. It's the reason I'm here.
And I saw that like ironclad, this is our culture now. And that went forward. And that was, you know, 25 years before anybody even thought about a television show or an ability to do it on a bigger platform. But that's the thing. I mean, what Connor's describing is when you make a decision and do it on whatever platform your own, God can trust you with a little and he can trust you with a lot.
And I saw that like ironclad, this is our culture now. And that went forward. And that was, you know, 25 years before anybody even thought about a television show or an ability to do it on a bigger platform. But that's the thing. I mean, what Connor's describing is when you make a decision and do it on whatever platform your own, God can trust you with a little and he can trust you with a lot.
You're right. I think that set our culture as a family. Would you agree, Jay?
You're right. I think that set our culture as a family. Would you agree, Jay?
So Connor, did you grow up watching the show when it was on?
So Connor, did you grow up watching the show when it was on?
Kind of weird. Like right next door is the duck call room. Yeah. So, Connor, do you listen to Unashamed? Do you have an opportunity to ever listen to the podcast?
Kind of weird. Like right next door is the duck call room. Yeah. So, Connor, do you listen to Unashamed? Do you have an opportunity to ever listen to the podcast?
So, I mean, my wife was like, tell us, uh, Connor, is there, how can folks find your music and, uh, or find out where you're touring and stuff like that?
So, I mean, my wife was like, tell us, uh, Connor, is there, how can folks find your music and, uh, or find out where you're touring and stuff like that?
Well, your story is amazing. I want to, I want to leave with this, uh, Psalm 1913, uh, written by King David, says, Keep your servant also from willful sins. May they not rule over me. Then will I be blameless, innocent of great transgression. He gave you a 1913.
Well, your story is amazing. I want to, I want to leave with this, uh, Psalm 1913, uh, written by King David, says, Keep your servant also from willful sins. May they not rule over me. Then will I be blameless, innocent of great transgression. He gave you a 1913.
A replacement. Thank you very much. I need that for my marriage. And tell your wife we said hello as well. Christian, it's always good to have you as well. Connor, God bless you and what you're doing. We're 100% behind you. To tear down that wall and be Jesus' servant in front of people and for people is an amazing calling. So we're excited to see where God takes you and all that. Praise God.
A replacement. Thank you very much. I need that for my marriage. And tell your wife we said hello as well. Christian, it's always good to have you as well. Connor, God bless you and what you're doing. We're 100% behind you. To tear down that wall and be Jesus' servant in front of people and for people is an amazing calling. So we're excited to see where God takes you and all that. Praise God.
Thank you, guys.
Thank you, guys.
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And you're sitting there.
And you're sitting there.
Well, I guarantee you, he could have went to the bathroom if he'd have wanted to.
Well, I guarantee you, he could have went to the bathroom if he'd have wanted to.
All right, so we've got some guests coming on we're super excited about. So we're going to take a break, and when we come back, we'll introduce our folks from Nashville that are on the podcast. So one of the things that people are realizing, especially with inflation and the economy has been a little bit rocky, is that personal debt is at an all-time high.
All right, so we've got some guests coming on we're super excited about. So we're going to take a break, and when we come back, we'll introduce our folks from Nashville that are on the podcast. So one of the things that people are realizing, especially with inflation and the economy has been a little bit rocky, is that personal debt is at an all-time high.
And I can relate to this because when I was in full-time ministry, especially, I mean, Lisa and I always struggle with debt, especially in our early years. We also had a premature baby. And so we just had these issues that you know, continue to plague us throughout our early life. And so we understand that. And if you find yourself in a similar situation, you need done with debt.
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No, we don't have to introduce James. Trust me, he does plenty of introductions on his own.
No, we don't have to introduce James. Trust me, he does plenty of introductions on his own.
So Connor, welcome to Unashamed Nation. Happy to be here.
So Connor, welcome to Unashamed Nation. Happy to be here.
Well, he's more CCR.
Well, he's more CCR.
Eagles. Yeah.
Eagles. Yeah.
Which is perfect because we've got a country music singer on the podcast today, so that worked out really well.
Which is perfect because we've got a country music singer on the podcast today, so that worked out really well.
I don't want to create controversy.
I don't want to create controversy.
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, that's good.
He was very, he tormented me.
He was very, he tormented me.
I was like, what? Yeah, I took a call. And he's just messing, but he's like, I'm like, how do you get away? I don't know. Somebody gets away with it. Yeah, I know.
I was like, what? Yeah, I took a call. And he's just messing, but he's like, I'm like, how do you get away? I don't know. Somebody gets away with it. Yeah, I know.
All of y'all are like that, yeah.
All of y'all are like that, yeah.
First time in 45 years.
First time in 45 years.
i am unashamed what about you welcome back to unashamed we uh we kind of been splitting time a little more time here in the duck call room is this does this feel like a temporary home yet jace or is this no because uh i don't like being this far away in our bible study i kind of like being a little closer but
i am unashamed what about you welcome back to unashamed we uh we kind of been splitting time a little more time here in the duck call room is this does this feel like a temporary home yet jace or is this no because uh i don't like being this far away in our bible study i kind of like being a little closer but
I'm not sure I told the story, but we... My cousin Kim, who's Tommy's daughter, dad's the brother two years older than him that's crossed over, she called me and said that two of her daughters and her daughter's boyfriend, their college age, wanted to get baptized. And I was like, yeah, that'd be awesome.
I'm not sure I told the story, but we... My cousin Kim, who's Tommy's daughter, dad's the brother two years older than him that's crossed over, she called me and said that two of her daughters and her daughter's boyfriend, their college age, wanted to get baptized. And I was like, yeah, that'd be awesome.
Stealing gives you hemorrhoids? You had another sign that was.
Stealing gives you hemorrhoids? You had another sign that was.
And so before we had our gathering, they got there that afternoon on Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving. And we all went down to WFR to where our building is. And then by the time they got here, Holt, who is Chad's son, Chad and Jace are the same age. They're a day apart. His son wanted to be baptized as well, so we baptized four.
And so before we had our gathering, they got there that afternoon on Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving. And we all went down to WFR to where our building is. And then by the time they got here, Holt, who is Chad's son, Chad and Jace are the same age. They're a day apart. His son wanted to be baptized as well, so we baptized four.
He actually texted me in defense of Joe and said, I have some wood ducks here because that's what I had figured I was going to have to cook with. And I said, well, I got a better offer, Joe. I got offered some teal. Yeah.
He actually texted me in defense of Joe and said, I have some wood ducks here because that's what I had figured I was going to have to cook with. And I said, well, I got a better offer, Joe. I got offered some teal. Yeah.
Right.
Right.
So, Zach, tell us, what did you do for Thanksgiving? Because you didn't come here, obviously. We missed you here. What were you doing?
So, Zach, tell us, what did you do for Thanksgiving? Because you didn't come here, obviously. We missed you here. What were you doing?
Well, just so you know, Zach, to show you how big our gathering was, we had eight fried turkeys and four hams. They all got eaten? As the main meat, and most of it got eaten. All the turkeys got eaten.
Well, just so you know, Zach, to show you how big our gathering was, we had eight fried turkeys and four hams. They all got eaten? As the main meat, and most of it got eaten. All the turkeys got eaten.
Yeah, Mom's been great. And then our Aunt Nancy, it was her grandkids that I baptized, and she was there. And there's something about that. There's something about a matriarch. Because now our family's in so many wings, and so to be able to pull those together was a cool thing.
Yeah, Mom's been great. And then our Aunt Nancy, it was her grandkids that I baptized, and she was there. And there's something about that. There's something about a matriarch. Because now our family's in so many wings, and so to be able to pull those together was a cool thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's the Elon Musk RFK effect. Jace is under the spell.
It's the Elon Musk RFK effect. Jace is under the spell.
Someone had posted on X today I thought was pretty telling. It said the 75-year-old grandmother who was arrested for praying outside an abortion clinic is reporting to prison this week. Two-year sentence. for praying outside an abortion clinic. No pardon for her, but we got one from good old Hunter that James didn't know existed.
Someone had posted on X today I thought was pretty telling. It said the 75-year-old grandmother who was arrested for praying outside an abortion clinic is reporting to prison this week. Two-year sentence. for praying outside an abortion clinic. No pardon for her, but we got one from good old Hunter that James didn't know existed.
She pulled out a little King James on you is what she did.
She pulled out a little King James on you is what she did.
I can, unless you want to just jump into your thing.
I can, unless you want to just jump into your thing.
and uh so i just thought all these hundred people trying to get along as a family and when you start looking at our culture and just it just seems to be a breakdown of the family in a family setting some past hurts some crosswords some difficult situations and it may not even be you it may have been your parents or your grandparents i mean it's things that happen over the course of time you're right it i said it was the great in my sermon it was the great it's the greatest family is the greatest test
and uh so i just thought all these hundred people trying to get along as a family and when you start looking at our culture and just it just seems to be a breakdown of the family in a family setting some past hurts some crosswords some difficult situations and it may not even be you it may have been your parents or your grandparents i mean it's things that happen over the course of time you're right it i said it was the great in my sermon it was the great it's the greatest family is the greatest test
for forgiveness that could ever be made. Because you have so many opportunities to offend.
for forgiveness that could ever be made. Because you have so many opportunities to offend.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is why I used the Rich Young Ruler from Mark 10. In my sermon yesterday is the example of that.
Which is why I used the Rich Young Ruler from Mark 10. In my sermon yesterday is the example of that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then Jesus confirmed the very thing you just said. in Matthew 19, in a discussion about marriage and divorce by some legalists, confirmed exactly what you just said. He quoted those verses. Exactly. Which basically affirms this is the way it is.
And then Jesus confirmed the very thing you just said. in Matthew 19, in a discussion about marriage and divorce by some legalists, confirmed exactly what you just said. He quoted those verses. Exactly. Which basically affirms this is the way it is.
So it's a reversal of, uh,
So it's a reversal of, uh,
Well, so I threw Si under the bus yesterday because I made for Thanksgiving, and we'll talk about our big Thanksgiving gathering. So we realized that by the time you hear this, Thanksgiving is probably a little bit in the rearview mirror, but For us recording, it just happened. As in two weeks ago. Lisa and I decided, since Dad was down this year, that we were going to make his duck and dressing.
Well, so I threw Si under the bus yesterday because I made for Thanksgiving, and we'll talk about our big Thanksgiving gathering. So we realized that by the time you hear this, Thanksgiving is probably a little bit in the rearview mirror, but For us recording, it just happened. As in two weeks ago. Lisa and I decided, since Dad was down this year, that we were going to make his duck and dressing.
And it shows you how rampant it was in any culture, even 2,000 years ago.
And it shows you how rampant it was in any culture, even 2,000 years ago.
Now, it was our first time, so I didn't expect it to be perfect. And it wasn't. But it was pretty good. And so we made the duck and dressing. The most embarrassing thing, Jace, for you is that the hardest thing I had to find were ducks because y'all hadn't been killed. Look.
Now, it was our first time, so I didn't expect it to be perfect. And it wasn't. But it was pretty good. And so we made the duck and dressing. The most embarrassing thing, Jace, for you is that the hardest thing I had to find were ducks because y'all hadn't been killed. Look.
It's not a real person in your life. No, you don't even know him. Yeah.
It's not a real person in your life. No, you don't even know him. Yeah.
I'm having a conversation with a woman at Brookshire's, and I had all my stuff out there, and she said, looks like you're making dressing. I said, yeah. I said, you know the hardest thing to find right now, and this is embarrassing coming from a family known for ducks, I'm having a hard time finding ducks. We're not killing many ducks out there on the river.
I'm having a conversation with a woman at Brookshire's, and I had all my stuff out there, and she said, looks like you're making dressing. I said, yeah. I said, you know the hardest thing to find right now, and this is embarrassing coming from a family known for ducks, I'm having a hard time finding ducks. We're not killing many ducks out there on the river.
All right, so we've got a lot, obviously, more to say about this. Zach's chomping at the bits, too. We'll do that in the next podcast.
All right, so we've got a lot, obviously, more to say about this. Zach's chomping at the bits, too. We'll do that in the next podcast.
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Yeah, he was better two days ago than he's been in the sentimental long term.
Yeah, he was better two days ago than he's been in the sentimental long term.
He is seeing some new doctors and different things, but it's, it's right. It's a spiritual thing at this point just to maybe stop the slide. But anyway, so I was making my, the duck and dressing, um, And John Gimber, our cousin, came through with eight green-winged teal. Teal are the best for the duck and dressing.
He is seeing some new doctors and different things, but it's, it's right. It's a spiritual thing at this point just to maybe stop the slide. But anyway, so I was making my, the duck and dressing, um, And John Gimber, our cousin, came through with eight green-winged teal. Teal are the best for the duck and dressing.
It's down at the distance from where you are.
It's down at the distance from where you are.
So Gimber came through, and so he brought me eight dressed teal, which I figured I would dress them myself, but that was nice. And so I did the duck and dressing well. So I presented it. I did it like Dad does it. You know, he, like, takes the top off, and the ducks are on top, and it looked great. It was not quite set as much as it needed to be, and I think it's because I didn't use a big enough –
So Gimber came through, and so he brought me eight dressed teal, which I figured I would dress them myself, but that was nice. And so I did the duck and dressing well. So I presented it. I did it like Dad does it. You know, he, like, takes the top off, and the ducks are on top, and it looked great. It was not quite set as much as it needed to be, and I think it's because I didn't use a big enough –
you know a pot but uh so si eats um and so i said which you know i've learned a long time ago if you're a robertson and you ask the question you have to be able to stand the answer yeah so i said si what do you think nope so he said nope so he knew that you were referring he knew immediately and uh he said dressing is too runny not enough sage ducks are too tough
you know a pot but uh so si eats um and so i said which you know i've learned a long time ago if you're a robertson and you ask the question you have to be able to stand the answer yeah so i said si what do you think nope so he said nope so he knew that you were referring he knew immediately and uh he said dressing is too runny not enough sage ducks are too tough
Well, here's sort of two things. And, of course, Lisa was like offended. But I said, babe, you know, he's just speaking the truth. And he was right about it wasn't firm enough. I think I got it fixed. I'm going to try it again next year. It needs to be a bigger pot. Dad's roaster is twice the size of my roaster. So part of it was it was too thick in the roaster.
Well, here's sort of two things. And, of course, Lisa was like offended. But I said, babe, you know, he's just speaking the truth. And he was right about it wasn't firm enough. I think I got it fixed. I'm going to try it again next year. It needs to be a bigger pot. Dad's roaster is twice the size of my roaster. So part of it was it was too thick in the roaster.
And then the ducks need to be boiled longer. He was right about two out of three. He's off on the sage. He's lost his mind. I said, so tell me this, because I'm seriously asking the question. How much sage do you think needs to go into this pot of dressing? Because dad is like, don't get wild. Don't get wild with the sage. Because we put about a tablespoon of sage in. He said four bottles.
And then the ducks need to be boiled longer. He was right about two out of three. He's off on the sage. He's lost his mind. I said, so tell me this, because I'm seriously asking the question. How much sage do you think needs to go into this pot of dressing? Because dad is like, don't get wild. Don't get wild with the sage. Because we put about a tablespoon of sage in. He said four bottles.
Zach, you're the lightning rod. Six feet.
Zach, you're the lightning rod. Six feet.
Oh, boy. I said, whole bottles of sage? I said, Si, why don't we just go out and eat grass behind Willie's house if we're going to be putting that much sage on dresses? So he's way off on the sage, but he's right on the edge. Way off. Well, Al, I think you've got to start with who you picked of all the family. Well, he just happened to be the first guy that ate it.
Oh, boy. I said, whole bottles of sage? I said, Si, why don't we just go out and eat grass behind Willie's house if we're going to be putting that much sage on dresses? So he's way off on the sage, but he's right on the edge. Way off. Well, Al, I think you've got to start with who you picked of all the family. Well, he just happened to be the first guy that ate it.
I mean, look, I'm asking in honesty, but the four bottles of sage is just, well, that's insane. That's insane. That would ruin it.
I mean, look, I'm asking in honesty, but the four bottles of sage is just, well, that's insane. That's insane. That would ruin it.
The audience is right again.
The audience is right again.
I will say just to tie off of my story as well is that dad, Dad ate my dressing, mine and Lisa's, and said I couldn't have made it better myself. Really? That's what Dad said. So I'll take that as well.
I will say just to tie off of my story as well is that dad, Dad ate my dressing, mine and Lisa's, and said I couldn't have made it better myself. Really? That's what Dad said. So I'll take that as well.
Well, you have to be unafraid to fail. I mean, like, otherwise you'll never do it. It's like, well, I can never be as good as, you know, dads or moms. Well, you got to try. You got to, like, jump in there or else you can't carry it on.
Well, you have to be unafraid to fail. I mean, like, otherwise you'll never do it. It's like, well, I can never be as good as, you know, dads or moms. Well, you got to try. You got to, like, jump in there or else you can't carry it on.
I always meet new people at our family gathering. So Because usually we're like a gathering place. Like there's one of our producers is from Canada, and so she doesn't have family here, and so she comes every year. So we've got a lot of folks like that that come, which is just they're part of the family. I heard my crew, some of my crew came down.
I always meet new people at our family gathering. So Because usually we're like a gathering place. Like there's one of our producers is from Canada, and so she doesn't have family here, and so she comes every year. So we've got a lot of folks like that that come, which is just they're part of the family. I heard my crew, some of my crew came down.
Your sister, one of my favorite people on the planet. Yeah, and I got to have a great visit with them, which was awesome.
Your sister, one of my favorite people on the planet. Yeah, and I got to have a great visit with them, which was awesome.
What was the one you had? You had something about hemorrhoids on the original show. What was that one?
What was the one you had? You had something about hemorrhoids on the original show. What was that one?
One of the guys, and I don't know if you met him, he works here, Jase. He was one of the kids from the orphanage that we worked with for years in Dominican Republic. Missy did, Corey, all of us. And he now works for us. He's married. Saw him. I thought it was fantastic. Yeah, it was really a cool thing.
One of the guys, and I don't know if you met him, he works here, Jase. He was one of the kids from the orphanage that we worked with for years in Dominican Republic. Missy did, Corey, all of us. And he now works for us. He's married. Saw him. I thought it was fantastic. Yeah, it was really a cool thing.
They were there. I saw them out of my periphery. But the one on the very end said, excuse me, sir. Of course, I've already made the covenant. So I looked her right in the eyes. And she said, that was the most beautiful message I have ever heard. I said, well, it was from the Lord. And I kept walking. But I just thought, what a thing. Yeah, it impacted her.
They were there. I saw them out of my periphery. But the one on the very end said, excuse me, sir. Of course, I've already made the covenant. So I looked her right in the eyes. And she said, that was the most beautiful message I have ever heard. I said, well, it was from the Lord. And I kept walking. But I just thought, what a thing. Yeah, it impacted her.
Yeah. So anyway, I thought I'd share that. We talk about spiritual warfare and what do you do, and I just think that's how God uses us as ambassadors.
Yeah. So anyway, I thought I'd share that. We talk about spiritual warfare and what do you do, and I just think that's how God uses us as ambassadors.
And look, I'm not throwing them under the bus. I get it. They're raising money. And look, the best way to raise a bunch of money is get people drunk and— You don't give them something – At least loose, you know. To look at that's, you know, loosening your wallet, and they do good with it.
And look, I'm not throwing them under the bus. I get it. They're raising money. And look, the best way to raise a bunch of money is get people drunk and— You don't give them something – At least loose, you know. To look at that's, you know, loosening your wallet, and they do good with it.
Look at Zach trying to segue it back to our day. I mean, you know, my assistant, which is my wife's aunt, said, you know, I was wondering – how you were fixed to handle that. And she's like, I was so nervous. And cause she had already said, she said, look, I get it. This is a good cause and all. She said, but to tell you the truth, if I came here with my husband,
Look at Zach trying to segue it back to our day. I mean, you know, my assistant, which is my wife's aunt, said, you know, I was wondering – how you were fixed to handle that. And she's like, I was so nervous. And cause she had already said, she said, look, I get it. This is a good cause and all. She said, but to tell you the truth, if I came here with my husband,
and saw those women, I'd tell my husband, we're out of here. I'm not sitting here and letting you look at women who look way better than me all night. So I'm saying the vibe was, I'm not embellishing it. Like, she was uncomfortable. Yeah, right. But she just, she said, I think the Lord spoke through you. Because, I mean, I didn't have any notes or anything. I just had my phone. I grabbed my Bible.
and saw those women, I'd tell my husband, we're out of here. I'm not sitting here and letting you look at women who look way better than me all night. So I'm saying the vibe was, I'm not embellishing it. Like, she was uncomfortable. Yeah, right. But she just, she said, I think the Lord spoke through you. Because, I mean, I didn't have any notes or anything. I just had my phone. I grabbed my Bible.
I had my phone because I didn't want to go over 20 minutes. Right. which is very difficult to do. But it wasn't in that case. I thought, you know what, you may have 10, 15 minutes here just to plant a seed.
I had my phone because I didn't want to go over 20 minutes. Right. which is very difficult to do. But it wasn't in that case. I thought, you know what, you may have 10, 15 minutes here just to plant a seed.
You just had a meeting with the elders. You just had a meeting, and I just said, we're good, we're good.
You just had a meeting with the elders. You just had a meeting, and I just said, we're good, we're good.
Well, it's been a while since I've been at one of those. And I can blame Will. I was like, hey, because I told Willie about it. And he was like, what? Are you serious? So he didn't really know. And he's like, well, maybe God just worked it out. Because I said, well, I would have loved to have known what you would have done. Yeah. He said, I probably would have got past.
Well, it's been a while since I've been at one of those. And I can blame Will. I was like, hey, because I told Willie about it. And he was like, what? Are you serious? So he didn't really know. And he's like, well, maybe God just worked it out. Because I said, well, I would have loved to have known what you would have done. Yeah. He said, I probably would have got past.
I wouldn't have got past the first two failed jokes. And I'd have tried a couple and said, all right. He'd have gotten into some of his stuff. And who knows where that would have led. But I will say at the end, when I got to the duck calls and all, they were listening. They were participating. They were laughing. They were having fun.
I wouldn't have got past the first two failed jokes. And I'd have tried a couple and said, all right. He'd have gotten into some of his stuff. And who knows where that would have led. But I will say at the end, when I got to the duck calls and all, they were listening. They were participating. They were laughing. They were having fun.
I'm doing something that most humans can't do, and I'm not saying – I mean, try blowing a world championship-style duck call. Good luck. If you don't know what that is, Google it. But it will get people's attention. If you can string out a note, highball 50 notes without missing a note, well, people, they don't even know what that is, but they're like, wow, what was that? It is something.
I'm doing something that most humans can't do, and I'm not saying – I mean, try blowing a world championship-style duck call. Good luck. If you don't know what that is, Google it. But it will get people's attention. If you can string out a note, highball 50 notes without missing a note, well, people, they don't even know what that is, but they're like, wow, what was that? It is something.
I have no affiliation whatsoever, but that's by design because that way when they ask me to preach... I have no problem in whatever I'm fixing to say.
I have no affiliation whatsoever, but that's by design because that way when they ask me to preach... I have no problem in whatever I'm fixing to say.
And I'm grateful now. It was an adrenaline rush after it was over because I thought, I believe this is spiritual warfare. Sometimes you go to the party and share Jesus.
And I'm grateful now. It was an adrenaline rush after it was over because I thought, I believe this is spiritual warfare. Sometimes you go to the party and share Jesus.
And in a nonjudgmental way. Like I said, I kind of support what they do. I just thought, well, how do we get here?
And in a nonjudgmental way. Like I said, I kind of support what they do. I just thought, well, how do we get here?
Did they come up with a third temple?
Did they come up with a third temple?
Well, they probably won't let you preach because you can't preach under 40 minutes. So how long are your sermons there? I mean, I go about 30, 35. 30 to 40 minutes, yeah. Yeah. But now look, I just did an event where I went 20 minutes. 20 minutes? Oh, it was a... Here's what happened. Jace, I can't clear my throat in 20 minutes.
Well, they probably won't let you preach because you can't preach under 40 minutes. So how long are your sermons there? I mean, I go about 30, 35. 30 to 40 minutes, yeah. Yeah. But now look, I just did an event where I went 20 minutes. 20 minutes? Oh, it was a... Here's what happened. Jace, I can't clear my throat in 20 minutes.
Go ahead and say them. You're wanting to say.
Go ahead and say them. You're wanting to say.
What if I knew the word he's thinking? Can we play a game here? We need some fun music. Okay. I'm thinking that you want to say the word dispensationalism. That's one of them, yeah.
What if I knew the word he's thinking? Can we play a game here? We need some fun music. Okay. I'm thinking that you want to say the word dispensationalism. That's one of them, yeah.
See, here's what you don't realize the difference in me and you, Zach, because we get to the same place. Yeah. We just do it differently. But what you got to remember is I love crickets. Mm. Because it takes me back to my happy place, which is the wilderness and the wild. And so when I'm out listening to crickets, I'm in my happy place.
See, here's what you don't realize the difference in me and you, Zach, because we get to the same place. Yeah. We just do it differently. But what you got to remember is I love crickets. Mm. Because it takes me back to my happy place, which is the wilderness and the wild. And so when I'm out listening to crickets, I'm in my happy place.
Well, look, you've got sacrifice there. You've got God's design. Because, I mean, who could come up with that? What does Phil always say? What part of seawater got the crickets to sing with their legs?
Well, look, you've got sacrifice there. You've got God's design. Because, I mean, who could come up with that? What does Phil always say? What part of seawater got the crickets to sing with their legs?
Look, I don't mind you using them, but I feel like you need to define it.
Look, I don't mind you using them, but I feel like you need to define it.
I got to navigate this story carefully because I don't want to offend anybody.
I got to navigate this story carefully because I don't want to offend anybody.
Shall we read it? Yeah. Where it says in John 2, 18, the Jews, because he had just driven out the...
Shall we read it? Yeah. Where it says in John 2, 18, the Jews, because he had just driven out the...
And I'm going to break the rule because Missy's like, don't tell people about events. However, when I told her about this event, she's like, you need to tell that on the podcast. So she, here's what happened.
And I'm going to break the rule because Missy's like, don't tell people about events. However, when I told her about this event, she's like, you need to tell that on the podcast. So she, here's what happened.
But he drove them out of the physical temple. Correct. So then, watch how this evolves. Then the Jews demanded, well, what miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this? Because... When he did that, this is where God and humans meet in their system. Right. And now some human is saying, get out of here. Don't turn. What's the quote he used? My father's house.
But he drove them out of the physical temple. Correct. So then, watch how this evolves. Then the Jews demanded, well, what miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this? Because... When he did that, this is where God and humans meet in their system. Right. And now some human is saying, get out of here. Don't turn. What's the quote he used? My father's house.
Well, and now he's. He's referring to himself as the son of the God that you're meeting.
Well, and now he's. He's referring to himself as the son of the God that you're meeting.
So there's your review. So Jesus then answered him, destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days. The Jews go back to their temple, saying it's taken us 46 years to build the temple. You're going to raise it in three days? but the temple he had spoken of was his body after he was raised from the dead. Now, John interjects here.
So there's your review. So Jesus then answered him, destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days. The Jews go back to their temple, saying it's taken us 46 years to build the temple. You're going to raise it in three days? but the temple he had spoken of was his body after he was raised from the dead. Now, John interjects here.
That's why we're spending so much time on this, because then he's now is going future, saying the disciples didn't even get this until they recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
That's why we're spending so much time on this, because then he's now is going future, saying the disciples didn't even get this until they recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
Now, I think this needs to be addressed. And I've actually thought about this a lot, not that I've studied it so much, but I thought, why is this so hard to understand? And even just like Zach clearly laid out, a lot of people, there's a lot of confusion about this. Right.
Now, I think this needs to be addressed. And I've actually thought about this a lot, not that I've studied it so much, but I thought, why is this so hard to understand? And even just like Zach clearly laid out, a lot of people, there's a lot of confusion about this. Right.
And I've heard people at churches I meet with, they'll make some comment like, you know, at some point we're all going to wind up in Israel, you know, with the temple. Right. Wait a minute, because I'll think of verses like Ephesians 2 and verse... 19. Does it say Temple in 19? We grow up into a... Yeah, yeah, no, 21, 21.
And I've heard people at churches I meet with, they'll make some comment like, you know, at some point we're all going to wind up in Israel, you know, with the temple. Right. Wait a minute, because I'll think of verses like Ephesians 2 and verse... 19. Does it say Temple in 19? We grow up into a... Yeah, yeah, no, 21, 21.
In him, the whole building... Now, he's talking about members of God's household. Right. In him, the whole building is joined together and rises... to become a holy temple in the Lord, and you two are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by His Spirit.
In him, the whole building... Now, he's talking about members of God's household. Right. In him, the whole building is joined together and rises... to become a holy temple in the Lord, and you two are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by His Spirit.
I'm just saying. So here's what happened. She didn't listen. She don't care. Well, she heard this story, and she was on the edge of her seat, so I'll give you an edge-of-the-seat story. Here's what happened. This is interesting. So my brother Willie called me one night and said, Hey, bro. Al, in your relationship with Willie, has he ever started a conversation with, hey, bro?
I'm just saying. So here's what happened. She didn't listen. She don't care. Well, she heard this story, and she was on the edge of her seat, so I'll give you an edge-of-the-seat story. Here's what happened. This is interesting. So my brother Willie called me one night and said, Hey, bro. Al, in your relationship with Willie, has he ever started a conversation with, hey, bro?
Well, because you're like, well, I thought Jesus was the temple. Well, yeah, he said he was. And when he died, buried and raised. But it's the same Jesus that sent his spirit when he was ascended, that then those who surrender to him receive that spirit and you become the temple of God because you have his spirit in him. I think that's just blatantly clear.
Well, because you're like, well, I thought Jesus was the temple. Well, yeah, he said he was. And when he died, buried and raised. But it's the same Jesus that sent his spirit when he was ascended, that then those who surrender to him receive that spirit and you become the temple of God because you have his spirit in him. I think that's just blatantly clear.
So that's why we pause when somebody says, well, yeah, but we still need to build a physical structure over in Israel. So after thinking about that, I thought, why is this so confusing? And here's my take. Y'all can disagree with me or not, but I wanted to have this conversation. I think because prophecy was scripted to keep the powers that God created
So that's why we pause when somebody says, well, yeah, but we still need to build a physical structure over in Israel. So after thinking about that, I thought, why is this so confusing? And here's my take. Y'all can disagree with me or not, but I wanted to have this conversation. I think because prophecy was scripted to keep the powers that God created
through Jesus, would ultimately defeat on the cross and the resurrection. There's plenty of verses about that. Think Colossians 2, what is that, 13? Or even Hebrews 2, you know, by his death, he would destroy him who had the power of death. Think, is it 1 Corinthians 2, 7 or 2 Corinthians 2, 7, where it says, none of the rulers...
through Jesus, would ultimately defeat on the cross and the resurrection. There's plenty of verses about that. Think Colossians 2, what is that, 13? Or even Hebrews 2, you know, by his death, he would destroy him who had the power of death. Think, is it 1 Corinthians 2, 7 or 2 Corinthians 2, 7, where it says, none of the rulers...
of the age understood Jesus having to die, because if they would have, they would not have crucified the Lord, is it? Yes, 2, 7, and 8. 1 Corinthians 2? Yep. 1 Corinthians 2, 7, and 8. And by the way, if you look at the Greek on that word rulers, you also see that all through Ephesians when it's talking about the supernatural forces. So that's why...
of the age understood Jesus having to die, because if they would have, they would not have crucified the Lord, is it? Yes, 2, 7, and 8. 1 Corinthians 2? Yep. 1 Corinthians 2, 7, and 8. And by the way, if you look at the Greek on that word rulers, you also see that all through Ephesians when it's talking about the supernatural forces. So that's why...
When you start looking at, well, didn't they understand the Old Testament? Well, not even the disciples. They didn't even get it.
When you start looking at, well, didn't they understand the Old Testament? Well, not even the disciples. They didn't even get it.
Yeah. I heard a sermon from a scholar one time say that only twice in the New Testament did— the writers link the Messiah dying with Jesus being the fulfillment of it based on Old Testament. And they had two references. I think one of them was Psalm 2, and the other one was like, off the top of my head, I can't believe I remember that. I think Psalm 89.
Yeah. I heard a sermon from a scholar one time say that only twice in the New Testament did— the writers link the Messiah dying with Jesus being the fulfillment of it based on Old Testament. And they had two references. I think one of them was Psalm 2, and the other one was like, off the top of my head, I can't believe I remember that. I think Psalm 89.
But one of them is in Acts 4 where he quotes Jesus. basically Psalm 2. And so you say, why is that significant? Because when you think of Isaiah 53, and you think, well, how did they miss that? Because it's... It's pretty clear. What is it called? A suffering servant? Well, it never uses the word Messiah then there. Right.
But one of them is in Acts 4 where he quotes Jesus. basically Psalm 2. And so you say, why is that significant? Because when you think of Isaiah 53, and you think, well, how did they miss that? Because it's... It's pretty clear. What is it called? A suffering servant? Well, it never uses the word Messiah then there. Right.
Me either. Usually it's just like dad's conversation. It's just mid-sentence.
Me either. Usually it's just like dad's conversation. It's just mid-sentence.
So they're not linking this up, and I think it's on purpose by God is my point. Right. And I wanted to give you all an example. Now, look, I could be wrong on this, so y'all can correct me. But what I'm saying is, based on 1 Corinthians 2, 7, if the whole evil supernatural world knew that they're doomed if Jesus dies, they would not have killed him.
So they're not linking this up, and I think it's on purpose by God is my point. Right. And I wanted to give you all an example. Now, look, I could be wrong on this, so y'all can correct me. But what I'm saying is, based on 1 Corinthians 2, 7, if the whole evil supernatural world knew that they're doomed if Jesus dies, they would not have killed him.
And so it's obvious based on the disciples' response here, they're not getting this either, that Jesus had to die. Remember when Peter said, oh, no, that's never going to happen.
And so it's obvious based on the disciples' response here, they're not getting this either, that Jesus had to die. Remember when Peter said, oh, no, that's never going to happen.
What that means to me is he's about to ask you to do something. That is exactly what I concluded. So for the first time in my life, I was speechless because I thought –
What that means to me is he's about to ask you to do something. That is exactly what I concluded. So for the first time in my life, I was speechless because I thought –
Okay, so I want to read you and show you something. And this is, I know this is a little deep, but this is why I think people get confused. And we have so many different beliefs. And I'm going to show you an example. Because I think people, religious leaders... They'll take a prophecy in the Old Testament, and they'll take it literally. Right. And I want to show you an example.
Okay, so I want to read you and show you something. And this is, I know this is a little deep, but this is why I think people get confused. And we have so many different beliefs. And I'm going to show you an example. Because I think people, religious leaders... They'll take a prophecy in the Old Testament, and they'll take it literally. Right. And I want to show you an example.
Like I said, I could be wrong. I mean, somebody smarter than me may show you what I'm fixed to show you, and you say, oh, you're crazy, Jay. So, okay. But I just think this is interesting. All right, so I'm going to read Acts 15. And... So now we're post-Jesus death, burial, and resurrection, and they're going around preaching. And watch what happens here. I'm just going to read this story.
Like I said, I could be wrong. I mean, somebody smarter than me may show you what I'm fixed to show you, and you say, oh, you're crazy, Jay. So, okay. But I just think this is interesting. All right, so I'm going to read Acts 15. And... So now we're post-Jesus death, burial, and resurrection, and they're going around preaching. And watch what happens here. I'm just going to read this story.
This is Acts 15, verse 12. The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God did among them. among the Gentiles through them. When they finished, now here's James. Watch what James does. He spoke up and he says, brothers, listen to me.
This is Acts 15, verse 12. The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God did among them. among the Gentiles through them. When they finished, now here's James. Watch what James does. He spoke up and he says, brothers, listen to me.
Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this. So he's going to quote a prophet, and this happens to be Amos, and we're going to turn to Amos and read what he said.
Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this. So he's going to quote a prophet, and this happens to be Amos, and we're going to turn to Amos and read what he said.
But I'm going to submit to you that he actually takes Amos' prophecy and I don't want to say makes it his own, but he is under the guide of the Holy Spirit. And Luke writing this, I can't even find Amos. Amos Obadiah. Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Amos Obadiah. You've got to have seen the Psalms. Is it after? Yeah. Obadiah. Yeah, here we go.
But I'm going to submit to you that he actually takes Amos' prophecy and I don't want to say makes it his own, but he is under the guide of the Holy Spirit. And Luke writing this, I can't even find Amos. Amos Obadiah. Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Amos Obadiah. You've got to have seen the Psalms. Is it after? Yeah. Obadiah. Yeah, here we go.
I think you're going to find this fascinating because what are we talking about here? What is the issue? The issue is from Acts 10 on, it was that the Gentiles could be saved. Well, people are like, I don't know about that. You know, we're... They're not from Israel, and they're having trouble with this. But now the temple's Jesus, and he's welcoming everybody. That's what they're proclaiming.
I think you're going to find this fascinating because what are we talking about here? What is the issue? The issue is from Acts 10 on, it was that the Gentiles could be saved. Well, people are like, I don't know about that. You know, we're... They're not from Israel, and they're having trouble with this. But now the temple's Jesus, and he's welcoming everybody. That's what they're proclaiming.
So he quotes Amos. So I'm going to read this. It says in verse 15, the words of the prophets are in agreement with this. With what? That these Gentiles can come to Jesus also. So watch what he says. Verse 16, after this, I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent.
So he quotes Amos. So I'm going to read this. It says in verse 15, the words of the prophets are in agreement with this. With what? That these Gentiles can come to Jesus also. So watch what he says. Verse 16, after this, I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent.
What does he fix to say? Hey, bro, I had my team. He started talking about his team. Because we all have teams. Is there a Team Willie now? There's a Team Willie has done something kind of crazy. I've got two events scheduled for the same time. Uh-oh. A double booking. One of them is in Texas, and it's a thing that I agreed to do. They...
What does he fix to say? Hey, bro, I had my team. He started talking about his team. Because we all have teams. Is there a Team Willie now? There's a Team Willie has done something kind of crazy. I've got two events scheduled for the same time. Uh-oh. A double booking. One of them is in Texas, and it's a thing that I agreed to do. They...
Well, that seems interesting because I thought this had to do with Israel, which in some versions say temple, but actually David didn't even build the temple. So I think the point is Jesus would come in the line of the house of David. Correct. All right. It's ruins I will rebuild and I will restore it. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord. Now watch this.
Well, that seems interesting because I thought this had to do with Israel, which in some versions say temple, but actually David didn't even build the temple. So I think the point is Jesus would come in the line of the house of David. Correct. All right. It's ruins I will rebuild and I will restore it. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord. Now watch this.
And all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord who does these things, that have been known for the ages. So there's a little letter behind that, and it says Amos 9, 11, and 12. Now you would think if you turn over to Amos 9, 11, and 12, you're going to see exactly what he said. Oh, no. No. You turn it over, Amos 9, 11, and 12. Let's read what Amos said.
And all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord who does these things, that have been known for the ages. So there's a little letter behind that, and it says Amos 9, 11, and 12. Now you would think if you turn over to Amos 9, 11, and 12, you're going to see exactly what he said. Oh, no. No. You turn it over, Amos 9, 11, and 12. Let's read what Amos said.
In that day, I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be. Now, I'm going to stop right here. There's a heading over verse 11 in my Bible. You know what it says? Israel's restoration. So what are you thinking if you look at a heading that says Israel's restoration and read that first verse in 11? It would only be Israel.
In that day, I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be. Now, I'm going to stop right here. There's a heading over verse 11 in my Bible. You know what it says? Israel's restoration. So what are you thinking if you look at a heading that says Israel's restoration and read that first verse in 11? It would only be Israel.
It would only be Israel. So then it says, verse 12, so that they may possess the remnant of Edom. Well, wait a minute. You turn back over here to when James quoted this. It doesn't say Edom. In verse 17 of Acts 15, it says the remnant of men, mankind. Now, look, I went down the rabbit hole here, and I'm not going to take up too much of your time. But James changed that word.
It would only be Israel. So then it says, verse 12, so that they may possess the remnant of Edom. Well, wait a minute. You turn back over here to when James quoted this. It doesn't say Edom. In verse 17 of Acts 15, it says the remnant of men, mankind. Now, look, I went down the rabbit hole here, and I'm not going to take up too much of your time. But James changed that word.
If you look at the Hebrew-Greek correspondent, look, he changed that. Edom to Adam. And so then it was translated here, mankind instead of Edom. Why would he do that? You see what I mean? Mm-hmm.
If you look at the Hebrew-Greek correspondent, look, he changed that. Edom to Adam. And so then it was translated here, mankind instead of Edom. Why would he do that? You see what I mean? Mm-hmm.
Well, he did it because he was under the influence of the Spirit, and he realized the fulfillment of this was going to be for all mankind, even though Amos said it was going to be for Edom, which was hooked up with Esau.
Well, he did it because he was under the influence of the Spirit, and he realized the fulfillment of this was going to be for all mankind, even though Amos said it was going to be for Edom, which was hooked up with Esau.
You know, they kind of highlight the outdoors and getting kids out in the outdoors. So it's a good event. But he said the other event involves me telling my wife, Corey, that I would go to England. And so you see the problem, and I'm like, yeah. Well, yeah, you can't be at two places at one time. He said, exactly. But he's talking real. He's talking real unwillingly.
You know, they kind of highlight the outdoors and getting kids out in the outdoors. So it's a good event. But he said the other event involves me telling my wife, Corey, that I would go to England. And so you see the problem, and I'm like, yeah. Well, yeah, you can't be at two places at one time. He said, exactly. But he's talking real. He's talking real unwillingly.
Well, it's not that they were born just in Israel. Like you said, DNA. I mean, like... What's the better word for that? Like your nationality. Right. It would matter how you were physically born into something.
Well, it's not that they were born just in Israel. Like you said, DNA. I mean, like... What's the better word for that? Like your nationality. Right. It would matter how you were physically born into something.
Great. So look, we were agreeing. I was just saying there's DNA within the DNA. We all have God's DNA. God wants everyone. You go back to John 1, 12, and we're back in the same place. But I want to finish reading Amos' account just because I'm saying this is why this is so confusing. Yeah.
Great. So look, we were agreeing. I was just saying there's DNA within the DNA. We all have God's DNA. God wants everyone. You go back to John 1, 12, and we're back in the same place. But I want to finish reading Amos' account just because I'm saying this is why this is so confusing. Yeah.
Because if you read this, didn't go to Acts 15 and say, oh, wait, he actually amended that prophecy into the fulfillment of Jesus, literally saying Jesus is the temple. If you go back and read the whole sermon of Acts 15, what are they doing? They're out there proclaiming Jesus is here.
Because if you read this, didn't go to Acts 15 and say, oh, wait, he actually amended that prophecy into the fulfillment of Jesus, literally saying Jesus is the temple. If you go back and read the whole sermon of Acts 15, what are they doing? They're out there proclaiming Jesus is here.
Exactly. But the fact that he changed – nobody's getting up saying, well, James got it wrong. No. He changed the words around. Like if you got up and preached a sermon and you changed the words around, they would say, false teacher. That is not what it says. Yeah. And look, I know a lot of you may not go down the rabbit hole.
Exactly. But the fact that he changed – nobody's getting up saying, well, James got it wrong. No. He changed the words around. Like if you got up and preached a sermon and you changed the words around, they would say, false teacher. That is not what it says. Yeah. And look, I know a lot of you may not go down the rabbit hole.
He literally changed the word of what Amos said and made it apply to all mankind. Now, I'll show you where he got that. He did imply, there is a Gentile reference in verse 12 of Amos 9. He says, so that they may possess the remnant of Edom, which he changed that into mankind, but then it says, and all the nations. Well, there's the Gentile reference in Amos 9. It is there. That bear my name.
He literally changed the word of what Amos said and made it apply to all mankind. Now, I'll show you where he got that. He did imply, there is a Gentile reference in verse 12 of Amos 9. He says, so that they may possess the remnant of Edom, which he changed that into mankind, but then it says, and all the nations. Well, there's the Gentile reference in Amos 9. It is there. That bear my name.
Well, what name you think that was talking about?
Well, what name you think that was talking about?
I mean, it's all about the name of Jesus in the book of Acts.
I mean, it's all about the name of Jesus in the book of Acts.
Declares the Lord and who will do these things. But I wanted to continue reading because people who read Amos 9, looking at this, as you called the dispensational view, and let's go build a physical temple in Israel based on Amos 9, they'll also go to John 2 and with the water and the wine and they'll see this temple thing. I'm not sure what their argument, what that is.
Declares the Lord and who will do these things. But I wanted to continue reading because people who read Amos 9, looking at this, as you called the dispensational view, and let's go build a physical temple in Israel based on Amos 9, they'll also go to John 2 and with the water and the wine and they'll see this temple thing. I'm not sure what their argument, what that is.
And this event out in Texas, they've really done a lot of advertising, and it's a week away here. Yeah. What you got going on? That's kind of how it went.
And this event out in Texas, they've really done a lot of advertising, and it's a week away here. Yeah. What you got going on? That's kind of how it went.
It seems pretty clear to me that Jesus said he's the temple. But however they make that argument, look, it... Amos starts talking about wine, new wine here in verse 13. The days are coming, declares the Lord, when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountain. and flow from all the hills.
It seems pretty clear to me that Jesus said he's the temple. But however they make that argument, look, it... Amos starts talking about wine, new wine here in verse 13. The days are coming, declares the Lord, when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountain. and flow from all the hills.
I will bring back my exile people Israel. They will rebuild the ruined cities, and I will live in them. So they're saying, see, there's got to be a third temple. It's got to be rebuilt. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine. They will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them, says the Lord your God.
I will bring back my exile people Israel. They will rebuild the ruined cities, and I will live in them. So they're saying, see, there's got to be a third temple. It's got to be rebuilt. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine. They will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them, says the Lord your God.
That's how Amos ends. So my point is, don't you see how that could be misinterpreted when you don't look at the fulfillment in Jesus? And I think it gives you a clue of how we should not take all these prophecies literally. Because what James did in Acts 15, you're going to have to deal with that before we continue the discussion.
That's how Amos ends. So my point is, don't you see how that could be misinterpreted when you don't look at the fulfillment in Jesus? And I think it gives you a clue of how we should not take all these prophecies literally. Because what James did in Acts 15, you're going to have to deal with that before we continue the discussion.
That was their mode. And now they're missing out that Jesus was going to be a king, but not the king in the way they thought. That's right. Not of everyone.
That was their mode. And now they're missing out that Jesus was going to be a king, but not the king in the way they thought. That's right. Not of everyone.
Trust me, I saw provocative a couple nights ago, so this is not going to be... I won't be wearing any... I'm not going to dress provocatively.
Trust me, I saw provocative a couple nights ago, so this is not going to be... I won't be wearing any... I'm not going to dress provocatively.
I don't think that's provocative at all. I think that's just common sense. You know what I come by, Zach?
I don't think that's provocative at all. I think that's just common sense. You know what I come by, Zach?
Well, he blamed the team, and what I told him was, I said, you know, Willie, when the team does not perform, you know what they do in the real world? They fire the coach. That's right. Exactly. He was just quiet because I had him over a barrel there. And so I agreed to do it because even though I had an event last weekend and this weekend, I don't normally schedule one in between.
Well, he blamed the team, and what I told him was, I said, you know, Willie, when the team does not perform, you know what they do in the real world? They fire the coach. That's right. Exactly. He was just quiet because I had him over a barrel there. And so I agreed to do it because even though I had an event last weekend and this weekend, I don't normally schedule one in between.
So I'm like, well, here we go. You sound like Al now. On my day off, let me go run out here to Texas and do this. And I know you listening, there's a lot to do. Getting your team now, getting everything lined out. And look, I'm not Willie. And so they kept saying, well, Willie said, well, I was like, Willie's gone. If you want me. Whatever you negotiated prior to this. It's a total reorganization.
So I'm like, well, here we go. You sound like Al now. On my day off, let me go run out here to Texas and do this. And I know you listening, there's a lot to do. Getting your team now, getting everything lined out. And look, I'm not Willie. And so they kept saying, well, Willie said, well, I was like, Willie's gone. If you want me. Whatever you negotiated prior to this. It's a total reorganization.
Team J is a completely different entity, I guess. So anyway, so we settle. I go out there and – I thought it was just kind of a private, because I saw the word private in the notes. I thought it was just a little, the group, the board or whatever who does this. Because let's face it, none of us really know what Willie does.
Team J is a completely different entity, I guess. So anyway, so we settle. I go out there and – I thought it was just kind of a private, because I saw the word private in the notes. I thought it was just a little, the group, the board or whatever who does this. Because let's face it, none of us really know what Willie does.
Well, and he didn't either. He didn't know a whole lot about this. So anyway, when I got my... We had a little pre-meeting for it. We went out there, but it was at this huge arena. And I thought, why are they having this at a huge arena if there's only going to be a few people here? I don't know why I thought there was only going to be a few people.
Well, and he didn't either. He didn't know a whole lot about this. So anyway, when I got my... We had a little pre-meeting for it. We went out there, but it was at this huge arena. And I thought, why are they having this at a huge arena if there's only going to be a few people here? I don't know why I thought there was only going to be a few people.
I'm not sure where I got that, but it was a misunderstanding. Just because it says private doesn't mean small. Exactly. I think that's where I messed up. I got you. I got you. So when I got my Bible out in my duck calls, he was saying, here's what's going to happen. We're going to go out there, and we have a video from Willie that's basically saying, you know, sorry. I'm in London.
I'm not sure where I got that, but it was a misunderstanding. Just because it says private doesn't mean small. Exactly. I think that's where I messed up. I got you. I got you. So when I got my Bible out in my duck calls, he was saying, here's what's going to happen. We're going to go out there, and we have a video from Willie that's basically saying, you know, sorry. I'm in London.
I was like, I doubt he's going to say he's sorry. Yeah. I was like, he's probably just going to say, hey, I sent one of my lackeys to fill in because I'm across the pond, which I was right. There were no apologies. No, no, no. He said, I sent my number two. Well, actually, my number three. He said, size ahead of days. Which is a good line. Yeah, he did a little video.
I was like, I doubt he's going to say he's sorry. Yeah. I was like, he's probably just going to say, hey, I sent one of my lackeys to fill in because I'm across the pond, which I was right. There were no apologies. No, no, no. He said, I sent my number two. Well, actually, my number three. He said, size ahead of days. Which is a good line. Yeah, he did a little video.
I do think for sound purposes, if you think you hear in the background... some kind of supernatural force or just a cry, a distress call.
I do think for sound purposes, if you think you hear in the background... some kind of supernatural force or just a cry, a distress call.
He said, after that, we'll introduce you. He's like, you got 20 minutes because this is a fundraiser. It's an auction. and we're going to raise tons of money, and so don't take up our time. I mean, that was kind of what he said. Well, when I got my Bible out, and he's like, now, I don't know if you know, there's been an open bar for two hours.
He said, after that, we'll introduce you. He's like, you got 20 minutes because this is a fundraiser. It's an auction. and we're going to raise tons of money, and so don't take up our time. I mean, that was kind of what he said. Well, when I got my Bible out, and he's like, now, I don't know if you know, there's been an open bar for two hours.
He saw that Bible, and he started talking about open bar. And I thought, why is he feeling like – so then I kind of figured it out. They're doing a project that I like. I mean, you're celebrating the outdoors. You're getting kids to experience nature, and I think they help trouble kids and get them out in the outdoors and do hikes and whatever. So I was like, okay.
He saw that Bible, and he started talking about open bar. And I thought, why is he feeling like – so then I kind of figured it out. They're doing a project that I like. I mean, you're celebrating the outdoors. You're getting kids to experience nature, and I think they help trouble kids and get them out in the outdoors and do hikes and whatever. So I was like, okay.
And I saw why they asked us because, I mean, my whole conversion was – I saw my parents come to the Lord, which this was part of my speech. And my dad, in an effort to become a better father and husband, he starts taking us hunting. And so the creation led me to the Creator. So I said that to him. Because when he saw my Bible, I felt like there was a little anxiety.
And I saw why they asked us because, I mean, my whole conversion was – I saw my parents come to the Lord, which this was part of my speech. And my dad, in an effort to become a better father and husband, he starts taking us hunting. And so the creation led me to the Creator. So I said that to him. Because when he saw my Bible, I felt like there was a little anxiety.
And I didn't know why until I walked out into the arena. Then I went, oh. I get it. So I told him, I said, well, you got to remember, I... Loved the creation. I said, but it led me to the creator. I said, I think I need to share that. He just looked at me. No comment. I was making him nervous. I was making him real nervous.
And I didn't know why until I walked out into the arena. Then I went, oh. I get it. So I told him, I said, well, you got to remember, I... Loved the creation. I said, but it led me to the creator. I said, I think I need to share that. He just looked at me. No comment. I was making him nervous. I was making him real nervous.
So when I walked out there, it was 1,500 people, and it was all these booths, and it was like a city. And to say that it was a distraction is an understatement.
So when I walked out there, it was 1,500 people, and it was all these booths, and it was like a city. And to say that it was a distraction is an understatement.
Kasai seems to be on one.
Kasai seems to be on one.
There was so much going on with all these booths. And the first thing I noticed was a large group of women who were the hosts, which they had different sections. And I thought, I mean, I immediately looked away because my assistant was there. And she said, don't look back. Because I thought, wow. They're scantily dressed, and then there's this.
There was so much going on with all these booths. And the first thing I noticed was a large group of women who were the hosts, which they had different sections. And I thought, I mean, I immediately looked away because my assistant was there. And she said, don't look back. Because I thought, wow. They're scantily dressed, and then there's this.
You can't help but notice, but then you dismiss. So I literally Jeremiah style. Wasn't it Jeremiah that said, I made a covenant with my eyes? That's Job. Job, yeah. Job 31. Job 31. So I made a covenant since I was the speaker and fixed to talk about the Bible. I said, I am looking from the neck up the rest of the night.
You can't help but notice, but then you dismiss. So I literally Jeremiah style. Wasn't it Jeremiah that said, I made a covenant with my eyes? That's Job. Job, yeah. Job 31. Job 31. So I made a covenant since I was the speaker and fixed to talk about the Bible. I said, I am looking from the neck up the rest of the night.
All he could see was their eyes and their ankles. You were seeing a lot more. So I thought, here we go. Open bar, scantily clad women. They're raising money. And what am I fixed to say? And I got 20 minutes. So we watched the video. Look, when I got up, no one, it was not quiet. You know how usually when you get up, it was a buzz, people moving, boosts. So I made a few jokes about Willie's video.
All he could see was their eyes and their ankles. You were seeing a lot more. So I thought, here we go. Open bar, scantily clad women. They're raising money. And what am I fixed to say? And I got 20 minutes. So we watched the video. Look, when I got up, no one, it was not quiet. You know how usually when you get up, it was a buzz, people moving, boosts. So I made a few jokes about Willie's video.
No one laughed. Zero. And I felt like, that I was just a part of something going on. Of the noise. Yeah. And I thought, you're talking about tough crap. Very intimidating. I told Missy at 35, I would not have, I'd have been nervous. But at 55? 55, I made a couple jokes. That didn't work. So I just reached over and grabbed my Bible. There we go. I said, well, I brought my Bible. I kid you not.
No one laughed. Zero. And I felt like, that I was just a part of something going on. Of the noise. Yeah. And I thought, you're talking about tough crap. Very intimidating. I told Missy at 35, I would not have, I'd have been nervous. But at 55? 55, I made a couple jokes. That didn't work. So I just reached over and grabbed my Bible. There we go. I said, well, I brought my Bible. I kid you not.
The Phil class. The Phil class.
The Phil class. The Phil class.
It became as quiet as a church mouse in three seconds. Just, and I thought, no. I gave a withering seven or eight minutes out of love. I spoke the truth about my family, our relationship with the Lord, the Bible, the purpose of life, the questions that humans have. And I kind of wove that through our journey
It became as quiet as a church mouse in three seconds. Just, and I thought, no. I gave a withering seven or eight minutes out of love. I spoke the truth about my family, our relationship with the Lord, the Bible, the purpose of life, the questions that humans have. And I kind of wove that through our journey
And so now I had their attention, and then I kind of went to the Duck Dynasty angle, which is why they even called us, because people watched. And I explained that. I was like, that was God's project, and he used us as a platform to now share what we're really about, which we're disciples of Jesus. And then I went through the top qualities of why we follow Jesus. He's innocent.
And so now I had their attention, and then I kind of went to the Duck Dynasty angle, which is why they even called us, because people watched. And I explained that. I was like, that was God's project, and he used us as a platform to now share what we're really about, which we're disciples of Jesus. And then I went through the top qualities of why we follow Jesus. He's innocent.
I did it the first month there.
I did it the first month there.
He invites everyone. He's indestructible. There's a way to experience the... actual creation forever. I told the fishing story in John 20. Here's Jesus. He was dead, and now he's fishing in the outdoors. We're eating fish on the bank. But this guy was dead, and now he's alive. So as soon as I said, I looked down because I had my phone because they said 20 minutes. As soon as it hit 20 minutes,
He invites everyone. He's indestructible. There's a way to experience the... actual creation forever. I told the fishing story in John 20. Here's Jesus. He was dead, and now he's fishing in the outdoors. We're eating fish on the bank. But this guy was dead, and now he's alive. So as soon as I said, I looked down because I had my phone because they said 20 minutes. As soon as it hit 20 minutes,
I was at the end, and I was like, thanks for having me. About 30 people right in front of me jumped up standing up, and I literally thought, I know those people are following Jesus. And then it was a one minute because people started getting up. But I'm being honest. I think it was more about, oh, are we standing up and clapping? You know what I mean? Something just happened.
I was at the end, and I was like, thanks for having me. About 30 people right in front of me jumped up standing up, and I literally thought, I know those people are following Jesus. And then it was a one minute because people started getting up. But I'm being honest. I think it was more about, oh, are we standing up and clapping? You know what I mean? Something just happened.
It was a one minute slow developing moment. Standing O. And I said, well, my dad will appreciate that because when I go back and see him, remember when he used to always say, did they give you a standing O? Yep. And so then I auctioned off because Willie sent, I called it a guilt offering, which now they were familiar with the Bible. They knew what that meant.
It was a one minute slow developing moment. Standing O. And I said, well, my dad will appreciate that because when I go back and see him, remember when he used to always say, did they give you a standing O? Yep. And so then I auctioned off because Willie sent, I called it a guilt offering, which now they were familiar with the Bible. They knew what that meant.
They sent a little display, the little wooden box with the four duck calls on it. That thing went for 15 grand. And the guy who got it, they got a picture with me, him and his wife, with the duck calls. But when he come up on stage, he just burst into tears. And his wife, and I could tell he had had a few adult beverages. She said, why are you crying, honey? And he said, I don't know.
They sent a little display, the little wooden box with the four duck calls on it. That thing went for 15 grand. And the guy who got it, they got a picture with me, him and his wife, with the duck calls. But when he come up on stage, he just burst into tears. And his wife, and I could tell he had had a few adult beverages. She said, why are you crying, honey? And he said, I don't know.
And I thought, oh, I know. Been convicted by the Holy Spirit, but I didn't say that. But we took a picture. And then when I stepped down, they had the hostess women flanking the stage while I was speaking. But let me just think about distractions. Are you going to look at this bearded guy? Are you going to look at the sketch?
And I thought, oh, I know. Been convicted by the Holy Spirit, but I didn't say that. But we took a picture. And then when I stepped down, they had the hostess women flanking the stage while I was speaking. But let me just think about distractions. Are you going to look at this bearded guy? Are you going to look at the sketch?
I am unashamed.
I am unashamed.
She's like, we have a lot of crawfish left over. I was like, grab me a 10-pound. It's been a while since I've eaten 10 pounds of crawfish.
She's like, we have a lot of crawfish left over. I was like, grab me a 10-pound. It's been a while since I've eaten 10 pounds of crawfish.
In the rough.
In the rough.
Oh, yeah, by the time you peel them.
Oh, yeah, by the time you peel them.
You might.
You might.
Look that up. How many in the rough?
Look that up. How many in the rough?
You're saying what? Let's all guess. I say 10 pounds. The listeners know this, the people. I should know that. At one time, I knew that. We were in the crawfish business. But I can't remember. I would say for 10 pounds, that's going to be... I'm going to go five to one. I think that's two pounds of meat. Yeah, it's not that much. You don't think it is? No, it's one. It's a pound.
You're saying what? Let's all guess. I say 10 pounds. The listeners know this, the people. I should know that. At one time, I knew that. We were in the crawfish business. But I can't remember. I would say for 10 pounds, that's going to be... I'm going to go five to one. I think that's two pounds of meat. Yeah, it's not that much. You don't think it is? No, it's one. It's a pound.
That's interesting how he defined it. All right. Let's hear it. Okay. Well, if you look up morbidly in a morbid or diseased manner. Ooh. So we just put diseased in there. Okay. I'm not sure I agree with that. You might should have picked a different word. No. That's the word they told me, Jase. So morbid is disease sickly, not sound and healthful. I think that's what it was. Oh, here's you.
That's interesting how he defined it. All right. Let's hear it. Okay. Well, if you look up morbidly in a morbid or diseased manner. Ooh. So we just put diseased in there. Okay. I'm not sure I agree with that. You might should have picked a different word. No. That's the word they told me, Jase. So morbid is disease sickly, not sound and healthful. I think that's what it was. Oh, here's you.
And I think you may be closer. I'm making an adjustment. Because Phil's like... A human can eat a pound of catfish. Right. He had that down. He's like, if you eat a pound, if you start getting over a pound.
And I think you may be closer. I'm making an adjustment. Because Phil's like... A human can eat a pound of catfish. Right. He had that down. He's like, if you eat a pound, if you start getting over a pound.
We're trying to help you prepare a meal here. What is it?
We're trying to help you prepare a meal here. What is it?
Whoa. There it is. A little more than I thought. I mean, if we don't go by the price, all right. Hey. What is that? Price is right. The price is right. You can't go over. I said two. Then I went to one, and it was one and a half. One and a half.
Whoa. There it is. A little more than I thought. I mean, if we don't go by the price, all right. Hey. What is that? Price is right. The price is right. You can't go over. I said two. Then I went to one, and it was one and a half. One and a half.
I've consumed, I had just consumed a pound and a half of crawfish.
I've consumed, I had just consumed a pound and a half of crawfish.
You already said that. Two years ago, you couldn't even fit yourself in the camera frame. When you're having to go wide angle to take a selfie, there might be a problem.
You already said that. Two years ago, you couldn't even fit yourself in the camera frame. When you're having to go wide angle to take a selfie, there might be a problem.
But so anyway, so here I am. I was like, well, what do you need? And she said, there's three girls that want to be baptized. And I was like, you serious? And I was like, in the pool? In the pond? Or are we going up through a church building? She's like, let's go with the pool. So here I am, just oblivious of what. I did walk by because I was taking all the crawfish remains. Yep.
But so anyway, so here I am. I was like, well, what do you need? And she said, there's three girls that want to be baptized. And I was like, you serious? And I was like, in the pool? In the pond? Or are we going up through a church building? She's like, let's go with the pool. So here I am, just oblivious of what. I did walk by because I was taking all the crawfish remains. Yep.
And it was such a cool setting. They were all sitting with their feet in the water, like around the pool. Yep. Because our pool is kind of a circular pool. And Missy was just sitting there. They were all like. you know, Native American style. Yeah. And I thought, what a cool.
And it was such a cool setting. They were all sitting with their feet in the water, like around the pool. Yep. Because our pool is kind of a circular pool. And Missy was just sitting there. They were all like. you know, Native American style. Yeah. And I thought, what a cool.
Yeah. Well, that was where they kind of did their, that devotional. Okay. And, uh, so anyway, I'm like oblivious to this. I'm like, well, let's go down. Water was quite cool actually because it had rained. I was doing the little woof. And so, uh, I've been, I told you, I said this before on the podcast, uh,
Yeah. Well, that was where they kind of did their, that devotional. Okay. And, uh, so anyway, I'm like oblivious to this. I'm like, well, let's go down. Water was quite cool actually because it had rained. I was doing the little woof. And so, uh, I've been, I told you, I said this before on the podcast, uh,
I gave maybe a three-minute speech, mainly about it doesn't matter who baptized you, it's between you and God. Because I didn't want them to be distracted, you know. So I asked them, you know, what their confession is.
I gave maybe a three-minute speech, mainly about it doesn't matter who baptized you, it's between you and God. Because I didn't want them to be distracted, you know. So I asked them, you know, what their confession is.
And I was just like, however you want to say, based on what you've heard the last two days, and through the little speech here about Jesus, God, you know, sending Jesus, and your response to him on who you think Jesus is. So the first one said, Jesus is king, something to that effect. I want him king of my life.
And I was just like, however you want to say, based on what you've heard the last two days, and through the little speech here about Jesus, God, you know, sending Jesus, and your response to him on who you think Jesus is. So the first one said, Jesus is king, something to that effect. I want him king of my life.
So I baptized her, and the second one came down, and she basically said the same thing but a little different. I want Jesus as my Lord. Well, the third one, it was just so raw and real. I forget. It was like two sentences, two or three sentences. But she started off with just saying, she said, I'm done. And she said it passionately, you know.
So I baptized her, and the second one came down, and she basically said the same thing but a little different. I want Jesus as my Lord. Well, the third one, it was just so raw and real. I forget. It was like two sentences, two or three sentences. But she started off with just saying, she said, I'm done. And she said it passionately, you know.
And there was a Jesus taking the wheel on my life in there, and it was just a short, fearful moment. And I'm going to tell you, it just got all over me. I became emotional in the moment. I could not speak. I didn't even know her. I just met her. But I don't know. Maybe it was the three and the look of the pool. And I thought, man, it was a very powerful moment. I've never had that happen before.
And there was a Jesus taking the wheel on my life in there, and it was just a short, fearful moment. And I'm going to tell you, it just got all over me. I became emotional in the moment. I could not speak. I didn't even know her. I just met her. But I don't know. Maybe it was the three and the look of the pool. And I thought, man, it was a very powerful moment. I've never had that happen before.
I've met a lot of people. Yeah. Because I just said, this ain't about me. And I'm like now become a distraction because I literally could not speak. It was like very few times in your life do you just see somebody's soul. Just what is way down deep. I can't even remember exactly what she said. But just...
I've met a lot of people. Yeah. Because I just said, this ain't about me. And I'm like now become a distraction because I literally could not speak. It was like very few times in your life do you just see somebody's soul. Just what is way down deep. I can't even remember exactly what she said. But just...
Due to a characteristic of disease or a morbid anatomy.
Due to a characteristic of disease or a morbid anatomy.
almost it was like uh you know through her face and her in her body language i mean it was just an unleash but what it was was just surrender that's what it was yeah yeah
almost it was like uh you know through her face and her in her body language i mean it was just an unleash but what it was was just surrender that's what it was yeah yeah
I will forgive you because I was in the yard yesterday with a chainsaw. Clearing the way for some trees. To make the great fast-growing trees grow faster, you can eliminate the dead and unproductive trees. That's what I did. That's pretty good.
I will forgive you because I was in the yard yesterday with a chainsaw. Clearing the way for some trees. To make the great fast-growing trees grow faster, you can eliminate the dead and unproductive trees. That's what I did. That's pretty good.
It's not your armor.
It's not your armor.
Well, I think that's what they had talked about. Yeah. And, boy, I'm telling you, it got all over me. But I thought, boy, this is – Because we're in this section of John where he's going to give some more clues about what's fixing to be revealed via the Holy Spirit. And it's like there's some mystery about the Holy Spirit.
Well, I think that's what they had talked about. Yeah. And, boy, I'm telling you, it got all over me. But I thought, boy, this is – Because we're in this section of John where he's going to give some more clues about what's fixing to be revealed via the Holy Spirit. And it's like there's some mystery about the Holy Spirit.
It's hard to talk about the Holy Spirit because the first time we got into it, you remember when Nicodemus, and here comes Nicodemus again resurfacing after this conversation, and he's talking about this. It's like the wind. You hear it sound. So he's already introduced that, but I literally –
It's hard to talk about the Holy Spirit because the first time we got into it, you remember when Nicodemus, and here comes Nicodemus again resurfacing after this conversation, and he's talking about this. It's like the wind. You hear it sound. So he's already introduced that, but I literally –
you know, believe I saw this wind and fire of the Holy spirit in just a, just a little young woman who might've been 25 years old. You know, it just seems so authentic and they all did, but I don't know. That moment was just, it was like, there's a reason I guess she decided to go last. It was one of the more powerful. That's a good thing. She didn't go first.
you know, believe I saw this wind and fire of the Holy spirit in just a, just a little young woman who might've been 25 years old. You know, it just seems so authentic and they all did, but I don't know. That moment was just, it was like, there's a reason I guess she decided to go last. It was one of the more powerful. That's a good thing. She didn't go first.
Of, uh, yeah, yeah, exactly. But I just thought, man, what a, What an opportunity and privilege to be a part of the kingdom.
Of, uh, yeah, yeah, exactly. But I just thought, man, what a, What an opportunity and privilege to be a part of the kingdom.
That's a commercial. I just think that's how when people say, how are you doing? You say, well, I have a morbid anatomy, as you can tell.
That's a commercial. I just think that's how when people say, how are you doing? You say, well, I have a morbid anatomy, as you can tell.
I think that's why it's so clever and so powerful. is because if you're in a war, which there's so much in the Bible about spiritual warfare, and you were right there in the middle of it, Ephesians 6, because it's not only our sin, but it's these dark powers who are against it, they're always lurking. Always. And it kind of goes into this idea, you know, what came first, the idolatry or the sin?
I think that's why it's so clever and so powerful. is because if you're in a war, which there's so much in the Bible about spiritual warfare, and you were right there in the middle of it, Ephesians 6, because it's not only our sin, but it's these dark powers who are against it, they're always lurking. Always. And it kind of goes into this idea, you know, what came first, the idolatry or the sin?
Because they work hand in hand. Exactly. And the gods, you know, little g's of our earth. And I think human beings were made to worship. Yeah. We're all worshiping.
Because they work hand in hand. Exactly. And the gods, you know, little g's of our earth. And I think human beings were made to worship. Yeah. We're all worshiping.
Something.
Something.
Well, exactly. We're the prime candidate for that. And the Bible's filled with that. Do you think, oh, I'm in a war? Well, the last thing you think, if you were in a fight, is that actually the way to victory is to surrender and die. But that's literally what Jesus did to defeat the powers. I think that Colossians 2, by his death, He disarmed the powers and the rulers and the dark forces of evil.
Well, exactly. We're the prime candidate for that. And the Bible's filled with that. Do you think, oh, I'm in a war? Well, the last thing you think, if you were in a fight, is that actually the way to victory is to surrender and die. But that's literally what Jesus did to defeat the powers. I think that Colossians 2, by his death, He disarmed the powers and the rulers and the dark forces of evil.
And so I think we get to do the same thing. And when you see it happen, just from such an authentic person in the moment, boy, it is powerful.
And so I think we get to do the same thing. And when you see it happen, just from such an authentic person in the moment, boy, it is powerful.
52?
52?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that was pretty good. That's pretty good.
Yeah, I think that was pretty good. That's pretty good.
Which these feasts keep coming up. You had made the point that... We've already addressed the Passover feast was in one of the other stories, which will come up again when Jesus dies. Pentecost. Pentecost, which is, that's the one where they're celebrating.
Which these feasts keep coming up. You had made the point that... We've already addressed the Passover feast was in one of the other stories, which will come up again when Jesus dies. Pentecost. Pentecost, which is, that's the one where they're celebrating.
I think it's like 50 days after the law was given, like the 10 commandments were given, which I think the reason we're bringing this up and this one was like, uh, This was in the fall time.
I think it's like 50 days after the law was given, like the 10 commandments were given, which I think the reason we're bringing this up and this one was like, uh, This was in the fall time.
Well, it was kind of shocking when you read the Bible. You realize how real this was to them, knowing that they had seen the power of the resurrection of Jesus and that they weren't going to let threats stop them.
Well, it was kind of shocking when you read the Bible. You realize how real this was to them, knowing that they had seen the power of the resurrection of Jesus and that they weren't going to let threats stop them.
Well, they wouldn't bet with it. They wouldn't double down. They took my $20 and they said – You lost. And I was like, I tried to double down. No double down. They were smart. Because I think they thought, well, this guy is probably going to lose the weight eventually or he's just going to die. So they just –
Well, they wouldn't bet with it. They wouldn't double down. They took my $20 and they said – You lost. And I was like, I tried to double down. No double down. They were smart. Because I think they thought, well, this guy is probably going to lose the weight eventually or he's just going to die. So they just –
You're thinking about, I think the reason I'm saying, you know, making a big deal of this is because you got to look at that was kind of the context by which Jesus is speaking. Right. And they're putting their faith in all these events that happened. I'm not sure how long before. How long before did all that happen that they're still doing the feast over than now?
You're thinking about, I think the reason I'm saying, you know, making a big deal of this is because you got to look at that was kind of the context by which Jesus is speaking. Right. And they're putting their faith in all these events that happened. I'm not sure how long before. How long before did all that happen that they're still doing the feast over than now?
But I think that's why when you get to the verse that says, I mean, we can figure it out how long ago it was.
But I think that's why when you get to the verse that says, I mean, we can figure it out how long ago it was.
I mean, that's what the brothers... Well, my point is, but the point I was trying to make was at the... at the heart of these festivals were that God was going to send... Yes, he liberated them from Egypt. He was with them in the wilderness. The Passover lamb saved them from death. Saved them from death, the Passover lamb.
I mean, that's what the brothers... Well, my point is, but the point I was trying to make was at the... at the heart of these festivals were that God was going to send... Yes, he liberated them from Egypt. He was with them in the wilderness. The Passover lamb saved them from death. Saved them from death, the Passover lamb.
So all these things in their history, they're celebrating that God was faithful, which he was. Yeah. But underlying was that he was going to send a Messiah. Right. Yeah. That's the whole point. Yes, exactly.
So all these things in their history, they're celebrating that God was faithful, which he was. Yeah. But underlying was that he was going to send a Messiah. Right. Yeah. That's the whole point. Yes, exactly.
You need to market yourself. Well, and the reason I'm bringing this up is God also chastised them and judged them because they weren't faithful. Correct. They're really not having a festival for that. Right. Right. Who's going to have a party saying how bad we are? However, that's what happened. They should have had a festival of repentance.
You need to market yourself. Well, and the reason I'm bringing this up is God also chastised them and judged them because they weren't faithful. Correct. They're really not having a festival for that. Right. Right. Who's going to have a party saying how bad we are? However, that's what happened. They should have had a festival of repentance.
Well, let me not. It's taking me five minutes to look up this word.
Well, let me not. It's taking me five minutes to look up this word.
Well, and the reason I think this is important, because if you're not looking at what he's saying through that perspective, that focus, we tend to just jump off the rails and start making arbitrary doctrines about some of the statements he's making. And I think it misses the overall point, which that's why we did that. You don't want to miss him again, is the point. Well, right.
Well, and the reason I think this is important, because if you're not looking at what he's saying through that perspective, that focus, we tend to just jump off the rails and start making arbitrary doctrines about some of the statements he's making. And I think it misses the overall point, which that's why we did that. You don't want to miss him again, is the point. Well, right.
The Messiah that is the bedrock of all these festivals. They miss that.
The Messiah that is the bedrock of all these festivals. They miss that.
Well, exactly. That's what I was trying to get to my practical point of all that was that I had the same problem today trying to get people to unite in Jesus because I'm like, we don't want to miss the point here because we have our little groups like they had their little groups. And then here is the Messiah for their nation. Yeah.
Well, exactly. That's what I was trying to get to my practical point of all that was that I had the same problem today trying to get people to unite in Jesus because I'm like, we don't want to miss the point here because we have our little groups like they had their little groups. And then here is the Messiah for their nation. Yeah.
All the festivals were leading you to this conversation with the Messiah. And they're like, no, you're not.
All the festivals were leading you to this conversation with the Messiah. And they're like, no, you're not.
Yeah, I guess so.
Yeah, I guess so.
Oh, exactly.
Oh, exactly.
Yeah, he does. And what I'm trying to say is, all right, so think about big picture, though, back then. Why did God choose Israel in the first place? You know, we read that in Deuteronomy 7. Yep. And it's like the elect language that's all filled in the Bible. Well, it says he elected Israel. And you're like, whoa. What happened?
Yeah, he does. And what I'm trying to say is, all right, so think about big picture, though, back then. Why did God choose Israel in the first place? You know, we read that in Deuteronomy 7. Yep. And it's like the elect language that's all filled in the Bible. Well, it says he elected Israel. And you're like, whoa. What happened?
Well, they didn't realize what the purpose was, which he chose Israel to show the other nations about this awesome God that they have a marriage to. Right. That's it.
Well, they didn't realize what the purpose was, which he chose Israel to show the other nations about this awesome God that they have a marriage to. Right. That's it.
Well, that's where I was headed all along, but I'm going to mark my place, and then you tell me your view. I think we're going in the same direction.
Well, that's where I was headed all along, but I'm going to mark my place, and then you tell me your view. I think we're going in the same direction.
You're only 50 pounds. That's...
You're only 50 pounds. That's...
We've said this before. Yeah, a bag of corn is really the bag of corn. You put a bag of corn on.
We've said this before. Yeah, a bag of corn is really the bag of corn. You put a bag of corn on.
Well, let me jump in there because I was going to read Romans 10 because right after that, he says, after Romans 9, where all these arguments are formed, He just says in verse 1, Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. Well, you just have to stop right there and think, well, weren't they chosen from the beginning?
Well, let me jump in there because I was going to read Romans 10 because right after that, he says, after Romans 9, where all these arguments are formed, He just says in verse 1, Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. Well, you just have to stop right there and think, well, weren't they chosen from the beginning?
He's talking about them being saved. People of God. And I think that's why they're doing the festivals, that, yeah, we were chosen by God, but they are not recognizing that. Who's doing the saving? You know, through whom this is going to happen, which is Jesus. Because then he goes on to say, for I can testify about them that they are zealous for God. But their zeal is not based on knowledge.
He's talking about them being saved. People of God. And I think that's why they're doing the festivals, that, yeah, we were chosen by God, but they are not recognizing that. Who's doing the saving? You know, through whom this is going to happen, which is Jesus. Because then he goes on to say, for I can testify about them that they are zealous for God. But their zeal is not based on knowledge.
Well, they know the scriptures like the back of their hand.
Well, they know the scriptures like the back of their hand.
They know the festivals. They're doing all this. And so then he explains it. It's like, since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, well, who is the righteousness that comes from God? Jesus. Well, he's going to answer that dilemma.
They know the festivals. They're doing all this. And so then he explains it. It's like, since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, well, who is the righteousness that comes from God? Jesus. Well, he's going to answer that dilemma.
I was just hanging up on you. But it led you to discover a new cell phone provider.
I was just hanging up on you. But it led you to discover a new cell phone provider.
And then it says, verse 4, Christ, this 10-4, is the end of the law. so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. So look, now I fast-forwarded. Jesus has died, has been buried, has been raised, goes to the right hand of God. This Spirit that's going to flow out from you, it's going to be in you but flow out from you that we're fixed to read in John 7.
And then it says, verse 4, Christ, this 10-4, is the end of the law. so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. So look, now I fast-forwarded. Jesus has died, has been buried, has been raised, goes to the right hand of God. This Spirit that's going to flow out from you, it's going to be in you but flow out from you that we're fixed to read in John 7.
I think the plates that go on a set of plates.
I think the plates that go on a set of plates.
This is way after that, and they're still struggling to get it after all this. And then the rest of that chapter starts talking about how good are the feet that bring good news, and faith comes to hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. What is that, Romans 10, 17?
This is way after that, and they're still struggling to get it after all this. And then the rest of that chapter starts talking about how good are the feet that bring good news, and faith comes to hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. What is that, Romans 10, 17?
And so you're like, we're back to letting the nations know and go back and think when Jesus said, all authority on heaven and earth has been given to me, therefore go make disciples, what? Of all nations. Well, now this is post-death bound resurrection. Well, that was the Israelites' job. They didn't do it. Wasn't God's fault. It was their fault.
And so you're like, we're back to letting the nations know and go back and think when Jesus said, all authority on heaven and earth has been given to me, therefore go make disciples, what? Of all nations. Well, now this is post-death bound resurrection. Well, that was the Israelites' job. They didn't do it. Wasn't God's fault. It was their fault.
They weren't upholding their purpose that God had for them. So then God, through Jesus, said, pulls it off, and now we all have the same mission. And I think unless you look at it through that vein, there's another example of that, Romans 10. I wanted to read it too because when you read it, it doesn't make sense if you're not looking at it from Israel being God's chosen nation with a purpose.
They weren't upholding their purpose that God had for them. So then God, through Jesus, said, pulls it off, and now we all have the same mission. And I think unless you look at it through that vein, there's another example of that, Romans 10. I wanted to read it too because when you read it, it doesn't make sense if you're not looking at it from Israel being God's chosen nation with a purpose.
And I'm going to read this other part. I came across this last night and I was like, well, that doesn't make sense. And then I realized I was doing the same thing that I'm telling you today not to do. Because when we hear that word election, we tend to think, well, you know, who's saved and who's not?
And I'm going to read this other part. I came across this last night and I was like, well, that doesn't make sense. And then I realized I was doing the same thing that I'm telling you today not to do. Because when we hear that word election, we tend to think, well, you know, who's saved and who's not?
Yeah, that's a good, Al, that's good advice. Well, I want to read to you what he first says to Timothy in 2 Timothy 1. And it says, verse 8, Don't be ashamed to testify about our Lord. or ashamed of me as his prisoner. Why are we testifying about the Lord? Because I'm going back to that Romans 10. Faith comes through hearing the message. The message is heard through the word of Christ.
Yeah, that's a good, Al, that's good advice. Well, I want to read to you what he first says to Timothy in 2 Timothy 1. And it says, verse 8, Don't be ashamed to testify about our Lord. or ashamed of me as his prisoner. Why are we testifying about the Lord? Because I'm going back to that Romans 10. Faith comes through hearing the message. The message is heard through the word of Christ.
God has a job and a purpose for human beings. It is to reflect. that we are made in the image of God and then remade as new creations, and then we have the Holy Spirit, which is going to enable us to do this. So watch what he says, though, how he packs this up.
God has a job and a purpose for human beings. It is to reflect. that we are made in the image of God and then remade as new creations, and then we have the Holy Spirit, which is going to enable us to do this. So watch what he says, though, how he packs this up.
But join with me in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, who has saved us and called us to a holy life, not because of anything we have done, same as Romans 10. but because of his own purpose, his purpose. That's why I keep going back to that. And his grace. So there's two things functioning.
But join with me in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, who has saved us and called us to a holy life, not because of anything we have done, same as Romans 10. but because of his own purpose, his purpose. That's why I keep going back to that. And his grace. So there's two things functioning.
So, yeah. Moving on. Moving on. Yeah. I was trying to find a segue in there. I guess, Al, it was your marketing. Because we're kind of in that John 7. Mm-hmm. The 60 and 60 is what.
So, yeah. Moving on. Moving on. Yeah. I was trying to find a segue in there. I guess, Al, it was your marketing. Because we're kind of in that John 7. Mm-hmm. The 60 and 60 is what.
Yes, this grace was given to us before the beginning of the world to be in Christ, cleaned up, made ready for the presence of God. But he also had a purpose, and it was to reach the nations. So watch this. Then it says, this grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time. So it's like this phrase, in Christ Jesus, this was the plan all along.
Yes, this grace was given to us before the beginning of the world to be in Christ, cleaned up, made ready for the presence of God. But he also had a purpose, and it was to reach the nations. So watch this. Then it says, this grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time. So it's like this phrase, in Christ Jesus, this was the plan all along.
But it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light in the gospel. And my whole point for reading all this is they're standing there looking at him, and they're not acknowledging the vehicle by which this, by God's plan, grace, and purpose, is happening. Yeah. And you're like, well, why?
But it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light in the gospel. And my whole point for reading all this is they're standing there looking at him, and they're not acknowledging the vehicle by which this, by God's plan, grace, and purpose, is happening. Yeah. And you're like, well, why?
Because they had an agenda that they thought, this is it. And that's why he's going to make that phrase. He's like, Jesus said, my time hadn't come yet. Because in the moment, he hadn't died. But he makes this little phrase. He said, but for you, any time will work. Because this is never going to change.
Because they had an agenda that they thought, this is it. And that's why he's going to make that phrase. He's like, Jesus said, my time hadn't come yet. Because in the moment, he hadn't died. But he makes this little phrase. He said, but for you, any time will work. Because this is never going to change.
You're celebrating something that happened hundreds of years ago, and you haven't figured out there was a greater purpose. Exactly. And I'm the purpose. Exactly. So any time will work for you because you're just passing this down from generation to generation and you're missing it. And to prove my point, I want to read this verse. So when he gets to 2 Timothy 2, look at this odd verse.
You're celebrating something that happened hundreds of years ago, and you haven't figured out there was a greater purpose. Exactly. And I'm the purpose. Exactly. So any time will work for you because you're just passing this down from generation to generation and you're missing it. And to prove my point, I want to read this verse. So when he gets to 2 Timothy 2, look at this odd verse.
You're talking about an odd verse. 2 Corinthians 2, verse 10, listen to what it says. Therefore, I endure everything, Paul's saying, for the sake of the elect. You're like, what? That they may obtain salvation that is in Christ Jesus. And my point of reading that is every time you see elect, you think, oh, they were elected to be saved from the beginning.
You're talking about an odd verse. 2 Corinthians 2, verse 10, listen to what it says. Therefore, I endure everything, Paul's saying, for the sake of the elect. You're like, what? That they may obtain salvation that is in Christ Jesus. And my point of reading that is every time you see elect, you think, oh, they were elected to be saved from the beginning.
But here you have a verse based on the context. He's saying, I'm enduring everything for the sake of the elect so that they may be saved. He's like, I'm trying to save these people in Jesus. But they think, oh, we were elected God's holy nation, and we didn't fulfill our purpose, so we had to have another plan. And they're still missing it, is the point.
But here you have a verse based on the context. He's saying, I'm enduring everything for the sake of the elect so that they may be saved. He's like, I'm trying to save these people in Jesus. But they think, oh, we were elected God's holy nation, and we didn't fulfill our purpose, so we had to have another plan. And they're still missing it, is the point.
I don't know how you could interpret that any other way.
I don't know how you could interpret that any other way.
You should have seen him.
You should have seen him.
Through crafty marketing. It was. But at the end of the day. You got to do more than market. The horse was not ready to run the race.
Through crafty marketing. It was. But at the end of the day. You got to do more than market. The horse was not ready to run the race.
Which gets into the purpose. Why are we sharing Jesus with people? Why would you do it? Why would you need it? Because God, from all along, this is the fulfillment of the purpose for a human. Exactly. To reflect their creator. And now you have the greatest vehicle in the world, which is Jesus. And then he gives you the Holy Spirit, which gives you the power to do it.
Which gets into the purpose. Why are we sharing Jesus with people? Why would you do it? Why would you need it? Because God, from all along, this is the fulfillment of the purpose for a human. Exactly. To reflect their creator. And now you have the greatest vehicle in the world, which is Jesus. And then he gives you the Holy Spirit, which gives you the power to do it.
Which I thought that about a month into it, I thought. I don't like where this is headed. I was just visually looking. Where was it going? It wasn't going. It wasn't going. I thought maybe because you've done it many times in your past.
Which I thought that about a month into it, I thought. I don't like where this is headed. I was just visually looking. Where was it going? It wasn't going. It wasn't going. I thought maybe because you've done it many times in your past.
Yeah. Well, we're going to get to that as this goes along. But you're seeing all these groups of people, and I don't know if you want to read it.
Yeah. Well, we're going to get to that as this goes along. But you're seeing all these groups of people, and I don't know if you want to read it.
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1952.
Oh, good. Tell me I don't have a good memory. Well, this is when it was published, but oh, Webster. It has a picture of him here, Al. Yeah. You see this? Yeah, I can see it. Oh, this is a... He's 1758 to 1843. Oh, yeah. He's old school. He's kind of got that swept back hair. Best line he ever had is, education is useless without the Bible. I mean, this is where we get our dictionary.
Oh, good. Tell me I don't have a good memory. Well, this is when it was published, but oh, Webster. It has a picture of him here, Al. Yeah. You see this? Yeah, I can see it. Oh, this is a... He's 1758 to 1843. Oh, yeah. He's old school. He's kind of got that swept back hair. Best line he ever had is, education is useless without the Bible. I mean, this is where we get our dictionary.
It just shows you our culture now. Dude's vacuuming. This vacuum was like three foot high, and he's vacuuming a coffee maker.
It just shows you our culture now. Dude's vacuuming. This vacuum was like three foot high, and he's vacuuming a coffee maker.
Al, this vacuum was this high. It looked like you were doing some kind of... You know, removing a body out of something. What is wrong with America? It was like a CSI site.
Al, this vacuum was this high. It looked like you were doing some kind of... You know, removing a body out of something. What is wrong with America? It was like a CSI site.
It's what's wrong with America. I mean, how much coffee do you need? She called it a coffee maker. I thought it was a grill. I thought, boy, that's a pretty good size grill there. You could put a whole ribeye on that coffee maker. Oh, is that the name?
It's what's wrong with America. I mean, how much coffee do you need? She called it a coffee maker. I thought it was a grill. I thought, boy, that's a pretty good size grill there. You could put a whole ribeye on that coffee maker. Oh, is that the name?
Vacuum cleaners. Vacuum cleaners. It's what's taking us to... I think we should just make this a part of the episode. We had to take a time out because we're at that commander because I thought... It felt like a bomb was fixed to go off. Or something going at so high rate of speed that it was fixed to crash. When we stopped, we started going room to room at Duck Commander.
Vacuum cleaners. Vacuum cleaners. It's what's taking us to... I think we should just make this a part of the episode. We had to take a time out because we're at that commander because I thought... It felt like a bomb was fixed to go off. Or something going at so high rate of speed that it was fixed to crash. When we stopped, we started going room to room at Duck Commander.
And there's a pretty big fella with, like, contraption on his ears. There's this huge, I thought it was a grill, like the world's largest grill. An indoor grill. It was a coffee maker. And he had a vacuum cleaner. the size of, I would say,
And there's a pretty big fella with, like, contraption on his ears. There's this huge, I thought it was a grill, like the world's largest grill. An indoor grill. It was a coffee maker. And he had a vacuum cleaner. the size of, I would say,
The small car? The biggest, yeah, small car. I think that's a bit much. It could be a smart car. Yeah, I mean, for like, you know.
The small car? The biggest, yeah, small car. I think that's a bit much. It could be a smart car. Yeah, I mean, for like, you know.
Yeah, and he's vacuuming a coffee maker. I was thinking, how much coffee do you need?
Yeah, and he's vacuuming a coffee maker. I was thinking, how much coffee do you need?
Yeah, but it was just the sound that was coming. You're like, I just couldn't believe it.
Yeah, but it was just the sound that was coming. You're like, I just couldn't believe it.
It is. We're off the tracks. But look, I've been doing embarrassing things all weekend. Oh, my gosh. With a hint of kingdom stuff. My lovely wife, she's been doing this, I don't know, a couple times a year. She invites this group of women just from... Just like on our little social media post. And it's, it's like a little mentoring thing.
It is. We're off the tracks. But look, I've been doing embarrassing things all weekend. Oh, my gosh. With a hint of kingdom stuff. My lovely wife, she's been doing this, I don't know, a couple times a year. She invites this group of women just from... Just like on our little social media post. And it's, it's like a little mentoring thing.
Yeah. I like the sound. I don't know. It was 13, 14, 15, 16 women. Yeah. Well, it's like a lottery, you know, it's boom. Cause they're there. Yeah. They stay out at our, our old place, uh, the long town state. And they just have a weekend. She gives lessons. So then she cooked for them at our house. What was that, Saturday night, I guess?
Yeah. I like the sound. I don't know. It was 13, 14, 15, 16 women. Yeah. Well, it's like a lottery, you know, it's boom. Cause they're there. Yeah. They stay out at our, our old place, uh, the long town state. And they just have a weekend. She gives lessons. So then she cooked for them at our house. What was that, Saturday night, I guess?
And you know what she did? Crawfish and crawfish pie. Yeah. So it's like a taste of Louisiana. Yeah. So I got in on the crawfish. But, you know, I was watching the LSU baseball game, and then she'd come in there, and she's like, we need you. And I was like, babe, look, you're all women. There's nothing that you're going to say.
And you know what she did? Crawfish and crawfish pie. Yeah. So it's like a taste of Louisiana. Yeah. So I got in on the crawfish. But, you know, I was watching the LSU baseball game, and then she'd come in there, and she's like, we need you. And I was like, babe, look, you're all women. There's nothing that you're going to say.
You got to remember, I had just consumed a 10-pound bag of crawfish. Because she ordered too many crawfish. These girls, you know. They get tired of. Well, they had never eaten crawfish either. And it's like they eat seven.
You got to remember, I had just consumed a 10-pound bag of crawfish. Because she ordered too many crawfish. These girls, you know. They get tired of. Well, they had never eaten crawfish either. And it's like they eat seven.
I am unashamed. What about you?
I am unashamed. What about you?
I'm glad you're carrying it on. Yeah, we're high-fiving. I mean, it's like I think we would have had twice as good of a duck season if we'd have had these two blinds in their current locations. I mean, it's a no-brainer. So we got it done.
I'm glad you're carrying it on. Yeah, we're high-fiving. I mean, it's like I think we would have had twice as good of a duck season if we'd have had these two blinds in their current locations. I mean, it's a no-brainer. So we got it done.
Oh, yeah, we did good. I mean, we had a wonderful time.
Oh, yeah, we did good. I mean, we had a wonderful time.
You know what's crazy is, and then two days later, my dad has his birthday. And just to prove, I mean, look, overall, I think we're doing as good as we can do. And they're actually doing a lot better since they're together. But, and my mom's problems are more physical and my dad's are more mental. But, yeah. But I would say he's doing a little better than he was for a few months.
You know what's crazy is, and then two days later, my dad has his birthday. And just to prove, I mean, look, overall, I think we're doing as good as we can do. And they're actually doing a lot better since they're together. But, and my mom's problems are more physical and my dad's are more mental. But, yeah. But I would say he's doing a little better than he was for a few months.
But to show you that he's definitely mentally not all there, and you have to laugh at this just to keep from crying from the overall situation. But I was telling him, I was like, your birthday's coming up. And he was like, really? And I was like, well, you want me to get you for your birthday? Okay.
But to show you that he's definitely mentally not all there, and you have to laugh at this just to keep from crying from the overall situation. But I was telling him, I was like, your birthday's coming up. And he was like, really? And I was like, well, you want me to get you for your birthday? Okay.
And his response, one, proved that he's not all there mentally, and two, was the most shocking thing that I've ever thought I would hear that came out of my dad's mouth. Have I told you this, Al? No. He said, what I want is, you heard of this company called Nike? I said, yep, but I didn't think you had Nike. Because nothing in your life has anything to do with you. You can't make this up.
And his response, one, proved that he's not all there mentally, and two, was the most shocking thing that I've ever thought I would hear that came out of my dad's mouth. Have I told you this, Al? No. He said, what I want is, you heard of this company called Nike? I said, yep, but I didn't think you had Nike. Because nothing in your life has anything to do with you. You can't make this up.
And I was like, yep. And I actually thought he was going to say something about the stock market or something, you know. He said, I think I want some of those Air Jordan things.
And I was like, yep. And I actually thought he was going to say something about the stock market or something, you know. He said, I think I want some of those Air Jordan things.
penny shoes hot tops oh my goodness i busted out laughing and i looked at mom and she looked at me and kind of made her eyes big and i was like well what's your thinking on that he said i just really think if i had a pair of those i'd be all right You never know what's going on in the mind there, dude. I will go get you a pair of Air Jordans. I said, is there a color preference?
penny shoes hot tops oh my goodness i busted out laughing and i looked at mom and she looked at me and kind of made her eyes big and i was like well what's your thinking on that he said i just really think if i had a pair of those i'd be all right You never know what's going on in the mind there, dude. I will go get you a pair of Air Jordans. I said, is there a color preference?
That's a nice way to say when she ran up on us on this podcast, she said, I'm not alone. Yeah. No, I misquoted that script, this 2 Corinthians 1.
That's a nice way to say when she ran up on us on this podcast, she said, I'm not alone. Yeah. No, I misquoted that script, this 2 Corinthians 1.
And he said, I think I want to go orange and white. I said, okay, Phil. So anyway, there's that.
And he said, I think I want to go orange and white. I said, okay, Phil. So anyway, there's that.
No, I think this is legit. Ten minutes later, he's like, you going to get me them shoes? Yep. So then, you know, we leave. I go to Nashville, but we came back and stopped in, you know, and visited him. He said, where's my shoes? So he hadn't forgot. No, I said, Phil, it's not your birthday yet. He's like, I know, I know.
No, I think this is legit. Ten minutes later, he's like, you going to get me them shoes? Yep. So then, you know, we leave. I go to Nashville, but we came back and stopped in, you know, and visited him. He said, where's my shoes? So he hadn't forgot. No, I said, Phil, it's not your birthday yet. He's like, I know, I know.
I was thinking he don't know that, but he was like, he wants them high-top shoes.
I was thinking he don't know that, but he was like, he wants them high-top shoes.
I think, you know, I really don't know. I don't even want to speculate because it's just crazy. But, you know, he's always had those knobs on his feet. Yeah. You know, I don't know. He never did it in his life. I've never seen him wear a pair of tennis shoes in my life. Never.
I think, you know, I really don't know. I don't even want to speculate because it's just crazy. But, you know, he's always had those knobs on his feet. Yeah. You know, I don't know. He never did it in his life. I've never seen him wear a pair of tennis shoes in my life. Never.
You know, sometimes the bucket list, you just start – digging around in there and you come out with a pair of high top air jordans so yeah there's that all right uh before we start out for well i'll tell you what i'll save that for the next podcast but i have a i'll give you a cliffhanger for the next podcast remember when i had met the uh
You know, sometimes the bucket list, you just start – digging around in there and you come out with a pair of high top air jordans so yeah there's that all right uh before we start out for well i'll tell you what i'll save that for the next podcast but i have a i'll give you a cliffhanger for the next podcast remember when i had met the uh
The wonderful young woman who had a name I'd never heard, and it was one, W-O-N. Oh, yeah. I recently met another person. who had a name I had never heard, but I'll leave that as a cliffhanger.
The wonderful young woman who had a name I'd never heard, and it was one, W-O-N. Oh, yeah. I recently met another person. who had a name I had never heard, but I'll leave that as a cliffhanger.
Well, but it says for no, no, this is 2 Corinthians 1.20. Let's just start right here. For no matter how many promises God has made, they are yes in Christ. That's the only person you just need to say yes to. Yes. Yes. But as humans who have flaws, you need people in your life that say no. So it causes conflict.
Well, but it says for no, no, this is 2 Corinthians 1.20. Let's just start right here. For no matter how many promises God has made, they are yes in Christ. That's the only person you just need to say yes to. Yes. Yes. But as humans who have flaws, you need people in your life that say no. So it causes conflict.
Yeah, and doctrines, I think, that may be looking too much at a modern... view of like, what does this mean to me? Oh, you know how people just pick verses out, and they're like, what does this mean to you? I think that's one of the worst questions ever. I agree. I hate that. I mean, God wrote this, and there was a purpose. It is a story.
Yeah, and doctrines, I think, that may be looking too much at a modern... view of like, what does this mean to me? Oh, you know how people just pick verses out, and they're like, what does this mean to you? I think that's one of the worst questions ever. I agree. I hate that. I mean, God wrote this, and there was a purpose. It is a story.
But you need to especially research the history of the story that God is fulfilling in Jesus, which is what we tried to do with Deuteronomy. doing an overview of it. I know it's complex. It's hard to read. There's a reason that can be difficult to digest. But I think it does kind of connect the dots to the conversation Jesus was having here.
But you need to especially research the history of the story that God is fulfilling in Jesus, which is what we tried to do with Deuteronomy. doing an overview of it. I know it's complex. It's hard to read. There's a reason that can be difficult to digest. But I think it does kind of connect the dots to the conversation Jesus was having here.
I do. Missy actually bought us a pair of Cozy Earth, every member of my family, for Christmas.
I do. Missy actually bought us a pair of Cozy Earth, every member of my family, for Christmas.
You want me to tell you a secret? Yeah. I actually wear the top just in public. And no one realizes that I'm wearing pajamas.
You want me to tell you a secret? Yeah. I actually wear the top just in public. And no one realizes that I'm wearing pajamas.
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If you're going to be on the earth, why not be cozy? We're going to get into John 7, and you see that people are not believing, even his own brothers. Right. And so I thought about that. You know, when you think about trying to break down kind of the group, you know, your worldview, right?
If you're going to be on the earth, why not be cozy? We're going to get into John 7, and you see that people are not believing, even his own brothers. Right. And so I thought about that. You know, when you think about trying to break down kind of the group, you know, your worldview, right?
And that's why I wanted just to kind of look at the overview of what we've been reading in John 6 and what we'll read in John 7. You know, they had a worldview that Jesus was challenging. And then they had a group of people with them who shared same said worldview, which didn't include God becoming a man. Yeah. But, you know, I think if you want to apply that to today, we have that same problem.
And that's why I wanted just to kind of look at the overview of what we've been reading in John 6 and what we'll read in John 7. You know, they had a worldview that Jesus was challenging. And then they had a group of people with them who shared same said worldview, which didn't include God becoming a man. Yeah. But, you know, I think if you want to apply that to today, we have that same problem.
Yeah. You know, it's like you read something. It's kind of our question here in John 6 that Jesus said. He's like, you know, do my words offend you? If you're having a hard time wrapping your head around it, instead of being open-minded about it or doing the research or, you know, we tend to just have our groups of people that kind of make us feel better. about what we believe.
Yeah. You know, it's like you read something. It's kind of our question here in John 6 that Jesus said. He's like, you know, do my words offend you? If you're having a hard time wrapping your head around it, instead of being open-minded about it or doing the research or, you know, we tend to just have our groups of people that kind of make us feel better. about what we believe.
And I think they were having a hard time because I think at the end of the day, what Jesus was presenting here was very costly to their little groups and their day-to-day life. And they just weren't willing to give it up. I don't know what y'all think about that.
And I think they were having a hard time because I think at the end of the day, what Jesus was presenting here was very costly to their little groups and their day-to-day life. And they just weren't willing to give it up. I don't know what y'all think about that.
Yeah, I mean, you know, he told them in 43 of 6, you know, stop grumbling among yourselves. And then they were arguing. I forget where that verse was where it says an argument broke out. They were arguing. And, oh, 52. That was in verse 52. Yeah, and then the Jews began to argue sharply among. He's challenging their worldview. But then, you know, when you get to the disciples, right?
Yeah, I mean, you know, he told them in 43 of 6, you know, stop grumbling among yourselves. And then they were arguing. I forget where that verse was where it says an argument broke out. They were arguing. And, oh, 52. That was in verse 52. Yeah, and then the Jews began to argue sharply among. He's challenging their worldview. But then, you know, when you get to the disciples, right?
Well, 61, it says, well, aware that his disciples were grumbling about this. And then it says from that time in 66, many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. And the only thing I want to mention before we move to seven, besides bringing that up, because I do think everybody listening to this You need to realize that following Jesus is challenging.
Well, 61, it says, well, aware that his disciples were grumbling about this. And then it says from that time in 66, many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. And the only thing I want to mention before we move to seven, besides bringing that up, because I do think everybody listening to this You need to realize that following Jesus is challenging.
Nobody's got time for that. Nobody's got time to make you feel better about whatever you're wrong about. So I ran around in the woods yesterday in the water with the man that epitomizes the word no. Al, your son-in-law, Jay Stone.
Nobody's got time for that. Nobody's got time to make you feel better about whatever you're wrong about. So I ran around in the woods yesterday in the water with the man that epitomizes the word no. Al, your son-in-law, Jay Stone.
I mean, you get inside not only your mind and your heart about how you make decisions and what you're doing, but it's also who you're running with and what you're doing. You need to make sure that you're not literally arguing or grumbling against the Lord Jesus and what he wants for your life. I mean, he's in charge of it.
I mean, you get inside not only your mind and your heart about how you make decisions and what you're doing, but it's also who you're running with and what you're doing. You need to make sure that you're not literally arguing or grumbling against the Lord Jesus and what he wants for your life. I mean, he's in charge of it.
So I wanted to bring up where he said, I know we talked about it a little bit, but when he said, does this offend you in 61? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before? And then he starts talking about the Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing. We hit on it a little bit, but I think it's interesting that he keeps bringing up that he's going to ascend to
So I wanted to bring up where he said, I know we talked about it a little bit, but when he said, does this offend you in 61? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before? And then he starts talking about the Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing. We hit on it a little bit, but I think it's interesting that he keeps bringing up that he's going to ascend to
to the right hand of God, like as a preview. And, of course, you're going to see that more as the book develops, but then he starts talking about the Spirit in that context.
to the right hand of God, like as a preview. And, of course, you're going to see that more as the book develops, but then he starts talking about the Spirit in that context.
And the reason I'm bringing this up is I think one of the things they were having a hard time wrapping their head around, which I think the same thing is true today, is that Jesus basically was representing dual citizenship here. He's like... I'm a citizen of heaven, and I am a citizen of earth because the Word became flesh, verse 14, and here I am talking to you.
And the reason I'm bringing this up is I think one of the things they were having a hard time wrapping their head around, which I think the same thing is true today, is that Jesus basically was representing dual citizenship here. He's like... I'm a citizen of heaven, and I am a citizen of earth because the Word became flesh, verse 14, and here I am talking to you.
And I think that's a key thing to lock into because eventually when he does ascend and he does pour out the Spirit, that then becomes available for all of humanity. To represent heaven and earth as a surrendered disciple of Jesus and a carrier of the Holy Spirit.
And I think that's a key thing to lock into because eventually when he does ascend and he does pour out the Spirit, that then becomes available for all of humanity. To represent heaven and earth as a surrendered disciple of Jesus and a carrier of the Holy Spirit.
And having Jesus connected to you at the right hand of God, like is this sacrifice for humanity, making the presence of God in the heavenly realms actually... doable for other humans.
And having Jesus connected to you at the right hand of God, like is this sacrifice for humanity, making the presence of God in the heavenly realms actually... doable for other humans.
I noticed that. He wanted me to be the motor man. It's very difficult to move large structures on the water that we call duck blinds. So most people when a flood happens, you know, you run away to high ground. But we are the people who start rubbing our hands together. And we run toward the tragic, dangerous, unpredictable floodwaters. Because for years we've hunted in two spots.
I noticed that. He wanted me to be the motor man. It's very difficult to move large structures on the water that we call duck blinds. So most people when a flood happens, you know, you run away to high ground. But we are the people who start rubbing our hands together. And we run toward the tragic, dangerous, unpredictable floodwaters. Because for years we've hunted in two spots.
I didn't realize that I got both of you in one shot.
I didn't realize that I got both of you in one shot.
I brought this up because I think Jesus, the reason he gets so much pushback, one of the reasons, is this whole idea about him becoming flesh. And I think when people read this verse where it says, "'The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing.'" I think they miss if they go to take that to the extreme. Well, then it's like nothing physical matters.
I brought this up because I think Jesus, the reason he gets so much pushback, one of the reasons, is this whole idea about him becoming flesh. And I think when people read this verse where it says, "'The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing.'" I think they miss if they go to take that to the extreme. Well, then it's like nothing physical matters.
But you got to remember, Jesus became a human. And he receives the Holy Spirit. He does this physical act where he's baptized. and receives God's Spirit. And the reason I think this is important is because we all believe, I think, in all the people that Jesus is talking to here, even his Jewish opposition, believe that God is omnipresent.
But you got to remember, Jesus became a human. And he receives the Holy Spirit. He does this physical act where he's baptized. and receives God's Spirit. And the reason I think this is important is because we all believe, I think, in all the people that Jesus is talking to here, even his Jewish opposition, believe that God is omnipresent.
that were 75 to 100 yards away from the X, the perfect spot. Do you realize how frustrating that is, year in and year out? You're like, if we just... Because you don't own the X. Is that somebody else's property? Oh, no, we own the X, but the blind is not floating. The water's not high enough to move it. So we're sitting here waiting on a flood.
that were 75 to 100 yards away from the X, the perfect spot. Do you realize how frustrating that is, year in and year out? You're like, if we just... Because you don't own the X. Is that somebody else's property? Oh, no, we own the X, but the blind is not floating. The water's not high enough to move it. So we're sitting here waiting on a flood.
And you got to remember the whole Old Testament narrative is, yeah, God's everywhere. He's omnipresent. I mean, there's a whole list of things that you can write on what that means. But now, in Jesus, this is like God coming in person.
And you got to remember the whole Old Testament narrative is, yeah, God's everywhere. He's omnipresent. I mean, there's a whole list of things that you can write on what that means. But now, in Jesus, this is like God coming in person.
I couldn't really think of a better phrase for that, but it's like... And just an illustration, I kind of looked this up on the internet just to see what people would say about it, and it was interesting what artificial intelligence said. But because it was like... And artificial intelligence used a metaphor or an illustration that I thought was interesting.
I couldn't really think of a better phrase for that, but it's like... And just an illustration, I kind of looked this up on the internet just to see what people would say about it, and it was interesting what artificial intelligence said. But because it was like... And artificial intelligence used a metaphor or an illustration that I thought was interesting.
It's like what the transition, which I don't know where artificial intelligence actually gets everything, but this was a good illustration. It's like they described the omnipresence like if you walk into a room and you smell coffee, it's like the smell is all around you. But there's a big difference in having that experience or that kind of theological experience
It's like what the transition, which I don't know where artificial intelligence actually gets everything, but this was a good illustration. It's like they described the omnipresence like if you walk into a room and you smell coffee, it's like the smell is all around you. But there's a big difference in having that experience or that kind of theological experience
awareness that, okay, there's coffee around because you smell it. But you couldn't really, I mean, you might could find it if you started looking, but trying to capture that smell is difficult. Well, there's a big difference in that and drinking a cup of coffee. And I think that's all of a sudden this becomes personal awareness
awareness that, okay, there's coffee around because you smell it. But you couldn't really, I mean, you might could find it if you started looking, but trying to capture that smell is difficult. Well, there's a big difference in that and drinking a cup of coffee. And I think that's all of a sudden this becomes personal awareness
When you realize, okay, he becomes a man, and then even though he dies, when he's resurrected, he really made a point to say, look at my hands and my feet. And so I'm saying all that just to say as we launch into John 7, because he's really going to get into what this means about the Spirit coming in a different way. Because it's like, well, what do you mean the Spirit had not yet been given?
When you realize, okay, he becomes a man, and then even though he dies, when he's resurrected, he really made a point to say, look at my hands and my feet. And so I'm saying all that just to say as we launch into John 7, because he's really going to get into what this means about the Spirit coming in a different way. Because it's like, well, what do you mean the Spirit had not yet been given?
That's what John 7 that we're going to read. And I think this is a good place to launch from because it's coming in a different way. And you can call it in person or, and actually you can see it. Just think of the fruit of the Spirit. And I don't know the right word to use, manifestation. I looked that up. There's two verses that says that, and we can look at them when we get to John 7.
That's what John 7 that we're going to read. And I think this is a good place to launch from because it's coming in a different way. And you can call it in person or, and actually you can see it. Just think of the fruit of the Spirit. And I don't know the right word to use, manifestation. I looked that up. There's two verses that says that, and we can look at them when we get to John 7.
And there's one that says, remember when Paul said, we didn't come to you with talk, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power? So it's like, there's kind of three categories to this, the presence of God. You have His omnipresence. Then you have it. in person, and then you kind of have the manifestation of having that in your person, you know, having the Holy Spirit.
And there's one that says, remember when Paul said, we didn't come to you with talk, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power? So it's like, there's kind of three categories to this, the presence of God. You have His omnipresence. Then you have it. in person, and then you kind of have the manifestation of having that in your person, you know, having the Holy Spirit.
So I simply am bringing this up to say the flesh counts for nothing without the Spirit. But it's like Paul would say in Romans, he's like, if you have the Spirit of God, your body's dead, you know, flesh, whether it's actually dead or going, it's going to die.
So I simply am bringing this up to say the flesh counts for nothing without the Spirit. But it's like Paul would say in Romans, he's like, if you have the Spirit of God, your body's dead, you know, flesh, whether it's actually dead or going, it's going to die.
But then he follows that up saying if the spirit of Christ, this Romans 8, 11, is living in you, then he who raised Jesus from the dead, well, what was raised from the dead? His body.
But then he follows that up saying if the spirit of Christ, this Romans 8, 11, is living in you, then he who raised Jesus from the dead, well, what was raised from the dead? His body.
It will also give life to your mortal body. So I know that's a little deep, but I'm saying I think they were having trouble with like, what are you talking about? I mean, God is everywhere. And he's like, yeah, but he's right here. That's why he keeps saying, I came from the Father. And I think they were having a hard time wrapping their head around that.
It will also give life to your mortal body. So I know that's a little deep, but I'm saying I think they were having trouble with like, what are you talking about? I mean, God is everywhere. And he's like, yeah, but he's right here. That's why he keeps saying, I came from the Father. And I think they were having a hard time wrapping their head around that.
Well, once he became flesh. It's kind of the whole point, right? I'm like, well, that's a lot of people who have, you know, they'll read stuff like this and say, you know, being a human is terrible. Yeah, I mean, that's basically their conclusion. I'm like, but God became a human?
Well, once he became flesh. It's kind of the whole point, right? I'm like, well, that's a lot of people who have, you know, they'll read stuff like this and say, you know, being a human is terrible. Yeah, I mean, that's basically their conclusion. I'm like, but God became a human?
And they had dropped the river down to a lower pool stage because they're working on the locks in our area. And so we realized that it's probably going to be another three years before we could even move it. So every time we go duck hunting in these two spots, people constantly say, well, if we were just over there. Well, there's nothing I can do about it.
And they had dropped the river down to a lower pool stage because they're working on the locks in our area. And so we realized that it's probably going to be another three years before we could even move it. So every time we go duck hunting in these two spots, people constantly say, well, if we were just over there. Well, there's nothing I can do about it.
Well, look, it's like, I mean, that's what I was attempting to do. It'd be like if you had a multimillionaire that was like supporting your church or your cause or whatever, but you had never met him, but you were appreciating him. Because you were a member of whatever group that he's supporting, you know? Yeah.
Well, look, it's like, I mean, that's what I was attempting to do. It'd be like if you had a multimillionaire that was like supporting your church or your cause or whatever, but you had never met him, but you were appreciating him. Because you were a member of whatever group that he's supporting, you know? Yeah.
Well, you would feel a little different if he was in the room, you know, if he showed up. Then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, you know, thank you. You're doing all this. Well, then if he sent you a text... You're like, oh, man. I mean, you're starting to feel better about this thing. Well, then you see where I'm going with this.
Well, you would feel a little different if he was in the room, you know, if he showed up. Then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, you know, thank you. You're doing all this. Well, then if he sent you a text... You're like, oh, man. I mean, you're starting to feel better about this thing. Well, then you see where I'm going with this.
Well, then if he was inside your mind, like helping you with the decision-making process, because you're thinking, man, I got access to all these benefits here. Well, I think that's what Jesus is trying to introduce, which is why I just kind of wanted to take a time out and say it is hard to wrap your head around
Well, then if he was inside your mind, like helping you with the decision-making process, because you're thinking, man, I got access to all these benefits here. Well, I think that's what Jesus is trying to introduce, which is why I just kind of wanted to take a time out and say it is hard to wrap your head around
We can go walk over there, but then they'll see us. We've tried to make blinds. We actually hunted the spots with temporary blinds, but it's just not a good hunt to be sitting there.
We can go walk over there, but then they'll see us. We've tried to make blinds. We actually hunted the spots with temporary blinds, but it's just not a good hunt to be sitting there.
And I think that's why these people were leaving, because this was getting way too personal. But that's actually a positive thing.
And I think that's why these people were leaving, because this was getting way too personal. But that's actually a positive thing.
Well, just imagine all these illustrations we're saying, and the guy comes in your building that's supporting everything, and then a group of people rises up and says, no, you're not allowed to do that. You can only give from afar because we have our little system here. And then let's just say the sponsor said, okay, forget this building where you're all meeting.
Well, just imagine all these illustrations we're saying, and the guy comes in your building that's supporting everything, and then a group of people rises up and says, no, you're not allowed to do that. You can only give from afar because we have our little system here. And then let's just say the sponsor said, okay, forget this building where you're all meeting.
I want y'all to be my building and just y'all move and represent all this stuff I'm going to lay before you, all these resources. I just want you to move throughout the world and let's do the work with what I'm giving you.
I want y'all to be my building and just y'all move and represent all this stuff I'm going to lay before you, all these resources. I just want you to move throughout the world and let's do the work with what I'm giving you.
in water trying to hide it just doesn't work for large groups of people so but anyway the flood contrary to the predictions there was a huge rain evidently it didn't i mean it rains here in louisiana all the time but it was not enough to move the water but the headwaters which we're going to be talking about this when we get to John 7, in Arkansas that feeds us, they got torrential rains.
in water trying to hide it just doesn't work for large groups of people so but anyway the flood contrary to the predictions there was a huge rain evidently it didn't i mean it rains here in louisiana all the time but it was not enough to move the water but the headwaters which we're going to be talking about this when we get to John 7, in Arkansas that feeds us, they got torrential rains.
Well, I think that's why he told the woman at the well when he was talking about worship. And he was like, it's not a place. Because what happened was, look, the God, speaking about his omnipresence, what Jesus was introducing is he went from over there. So just think temple, tabernacle. He went from over there to in here.
Well, I think that's why he told the woman at the well when he was talking about worship. And he was like, it's not a place. Because what happened was, look, the God, speaking about his omnipresence, what Jesus was introducing is he went from over there. So just think temple, tabernacle. He went from over there to in here.
And I mean, that is the profound thing about him introducing the Holy Spirit. And so what did we do? You know, in our modern religion, we want to put him over there. We go to the building, we check in, and then, you know, we go out and live our lives. But that doesn't work if he's in here. He's in here when you went over there and then when you went over here and now you're going here.
And I mean, that is the profound thing about him introducing the Holy Spirit. And so what did we do? You know, in our modern religion, we want to put him over there. We go to the building, we check in, and then, you know, we go out and live our lives. But that doesn't work if he's in here. He's in here when you went over there and then when you went over here and now you're going here.
So, I mean, think homes, workplace, friends, hanging out, walking down the street. and when you're meeting with other people. I mean, it's all together. It became personal.
So, I mean, think homes, workplace, friends, hanging out, walking down the street. and when you're meeting with other people. I mean, it's all together. It became personal.
And so that's what makes this so dangerous because nobody realizes. I'll tell you how dangerous it was. This is only the second time in my life we were going to put the boat in to go move the blinds. And you know where we put the boat in now? It's at our main gate. You know the main gate to the property? That's where we launched the boat. Where we usually, it's like a one-mile ride.
And so that's what makes this so dangerous because nobody realizes. I'll tell you how dangerous it was. This is only the second time in my life we were going to put the boat in to go move the blinds. And you know where we put the boat in now? It's at our main gate. You know the main gate to the property? That's where we launched the boat. Where we usually, it's like a one-mile ride.
Oh, no, it's all water. So for only the second time in my life, I said, hang on before you put this boat in. So, of course, we're in the truck. We're in Jay's truck. And so I get out of the truck and get my life jacket that I brought and put it on and got back in the truck. He said, what are you doing? I said, I'm putting my life jacket on before you try to launch this boat.
Oh, no, it's all water. So for only the second time in my life, I said, hang on before you put this boat in. So, of course, we're in the truck. We're in Jay's truck. And so I get out of the truck and get my life jacket that I brought and put it on and got back in the truck. He said, what are you doing? I said, I'm putting my life jacket on before you try to launch this boat.
That our lovely producer, young Matty, was asking if he had any alternative hats. I defended you, Zach. I said no.
That our lovely producer, young Matty, was asking if he had any alternative hats. I defended you, Zach. I said no.
And he couldn't figure out. I said, when the water is this high and this volatile and you don't really know, we're just backing it down off a hill here. I was like, I think it's just too embarrassing for me to be buried in my own creek in your truck, dead. Because people pull off. I've seen it at least in my life half a dozen times.
And he couldn't figure out. I said, when the water is this high and this volatile and you don't really know, we're just backing it down off a hill here. I was like, I think it's just too embarrassing for me to be buried in my own creek in your truck, dead. Because people pull off. I've seen it at least in my life half a dozen times.
Somebody go to put their boat in, and the whole truck is baptized. It happens. Yeah, and it's usually about a three-day burial before the wrecker can get the truck out. How many times have we seen it? It's been many times. It's very dangerous. So I rolled down the window.
Somebody go to put their boat in, and the whole truck is baptized. It happens. Yeah, and it's usually about a three-day burial before the wrecker can get the truck out. How many times have we seen it? It's been many times. It's very dangerous. So I rolled down the window.
Buried at sea, baptized by floodwaters. So we survived, you know, and we got the blinds moved. One of them was a 10 out of 10, like if you were, because I'd love if there was a competition. You don't realize how hard it is to move a blind that weighs about, you know, two tons when the current, there's current even in the backwater, and the wind was blowing. It's just with a motor.
Buried at sea, baptized by floodwaters. So we survived, you know, and we got the blinds moved. One of them was a 10 out of 10, like if you were, because I'd love if there was a competition. You don't realize how hard it is to move a blind that weighs about, you know, two tons when the current, there's current even in the backwater, and the wind was blowing. It's just with a motor.
You're moving this thing. You just tie a chain up to it? I don't know. Usually we tie ropes, but I tried freestyle yesterday because there was so many. I mean, and it's just the hardest manner of doing it. So basically, I'm just circling the blind, getting my boat wedged. by two-by-fours or logs, and then I'd move it, and then it'd spin around me. Jay was like, what are you doing?
You're moving this thing. You just tie a chain up to it? I don't know. Usually we tie ropes, but I tried freestyle yesterday because there was so many. I mean, and it's just the hardest manner of doing it. So basically, I'm just circling the blind, getting my boat wedged. by two-by-fours or logs, and then I'd move it, and then it'd spin around me. Jay was like, what are you doing?
I was like, it was kind of a hold my unsweet tea and watch this. And the first one, I looked like master class, you know. It was just perfect. The second one, we had some problems.
I was like, it was kind of a hold my unsweet tea and watch this. And the first one, I looked like master class, you know. It was just perfect. The second one, we had some problems.
Because once you get past your destination, it's over. There's no coming back. There's no coming back. I was trying to tell them that they were filming all this for Duck Commander. I was wondering if it was being filmed because that's how viral videos are made. They didn't know what they were doing. the filmers, because they were in the boat with us.
Because once you get past your destination, it's over. There's no coming back. There's no coming back. I was trying to tell them that they were filming all this for Duck Commander. I was wondering if it was being filmed because that's how viral videos are made. They didn't know what they were doing. the filmers, because they were in the boat with us.
I did. I said, deer season is coming up in four or five months.
I did. I said, deer season is coming up in four or five months.
I was like, you only appreciate this if you're away from us. You've got to be in another boat. The blind is too big. But they didn't want to be in another boat because they were all scared to die. So they kind of weren't like you. They just didn't have the orange hats on. But they wanted to be with me. I could tell the cameraman. He was like, I mean, what are our chances of survival on this?
I was like, you only appreciate this if you're away from us. You've got to be in another boat. The blind is too big. But they didn't want to be in another boat because they were all scared to die. So they kind of weren't like you. They just didn't have the orange hats on. But they wanted to be with me. I could tell the cameraman. He was like, I mean, what are our chances of survival on this?
Which he was kidding, but I wasn't. I said, I'd say 70%. And he just looked at me kind of dumbfounded, which is a great time to then introduce Jesus. But we had already had that talk, so I was like, you're good. We're in Jesus.
Which he was kidding, but I wasn't. I said, I'd say 70%. And he just looked at me kind of dumbfounded, which is a great time to then introduce Jesus. But we had already had that talk, so I was like, you're good. We're in Jesus.
Yeah, we had all that available. I just – It just takes way more time, you know. And it was my wife's birthday yesterday, and she was like, all right, you know. I told her I was going to take her out to eat. And, I mean, I was out there for hours. But I got it all done. And I was like, it's going to take too long. I mean, so I was just doing it for the love of my wife. And I was one out of two.
Yeah, we had all that available. I just – It just takes way more time, you know. And it was my wife's birthday yesterday, and she was like, all right, you know. I told her I was going to take her out to eat. And, I mean, I was out there for hours. But I got it all done. And I was like, it's going to take too long. I mean, so I was just doing it for the love of my wife. And I was one out of two.
And the second one is huntable. It just, what happened was you can't see what's under the water. And one of the logs my dad has, I'm not kidding. This log is like, I would say, 40 yards long. It's twice as big as all the other logs. And it hung on something and eventually broke up. itself away from the blind.
And the second one is huntable. It just, what happened was you can't see what's under the water. And one of the logs my dad has, I'm not kidding. This log is like, I would say, 40 yards long. It's twice as big as all the other logs. And it hung on something and eventually broke up. itself away from the blind.
Zach, it's an inner thing. I think we've been going through John 6, which is difficult. And we all are surrounded by people who say yes. And so, Zach, I think it's subliminal. because me and Al will say no. Which we all need those people in our life, you know, because there's only one yes man. I think, what is that, 1 Corinthians 1?
Zach, it's an inner thing. I think we've been going through John 6, which is difficult. And we all are surrounded by people who say yes. And so, Zach, I think it's subliminal. because me and Al will say no. Which we all need those people in our life, you know, because there's only one yes man. I think, what is that, 1 Corinthians 1?
So then we had the blind was kind of... I mean, it was still floating, but... And so then it became a blocker to where we wanted to put it. So we got it close. So what we'll do, nobody will panic. When the water goes down, we'll get heavy equipment in there, jack the blind up, put another flotation under. It's just made it harder, but that will be to be continued. It's in the right spot.
So then we had the blind was kind of... I mean, it was still floating, but... And so then it became a blocker to where we wanted to put it. So we got it close. So what we'll do, nobody will panic. When the water goes down, we'll get heavy equipment in there, jack the blind up, put another flotation under. It's just made it harder, but that will be to be continued. It's in the right spot.
It's just... the shell of what it once was. Sounds like good TV.
It's just... the shell of what it once was. Sounds like good TV.
Well, yeah.
Well, yeah.
There is a fear factor, but you got to realize everybody has roles to play because you need a high-quality motor man. I'm not bragging. I just am. I mean, Al, you can testify to this. First thing I learned how to do when I was probably eight, was run an outboard motor. And so you have to be really good with an outboard motor on this. Backwards and forwards.
There is a fear factor, but you got to realize everybody has roles to play because you need a high-quality motor man. I'm not bragging. I just am. I mean, Al, you can testify to this. First thing I learned how to do when I was probably eight, was run an outboard motor. And so you have to be really good with an outboard motor on this. Backwards and forwards.
So I told Jay, because you can't have any distractions. The biggest distraction is in floodwaters, all of the critters... run to the blind or swim to the blind or crawl. Or slither. I sent Dan, and he formed a posse, Dan the butler. And I think Jay headed them up because he's a skilled shooter. So they de-cotton-mowed the blinds before I ever got there.
So I told Jay, because you can't have any distractions. The biggest distraction is in floodwaters, all of the critters... run to the blind or swim to the blind or crawl. Or slither. I sent Dan, and he formed a posse, Dan the butler. And I think Jay headed them up because he's a skilled shooter. So they de-cotton-mowed the blinds before I ever got there.
They did this a week ago, and they de-beavered the blinds. Those were the main two suspects. Did you see any floating fire ant balls?
They did this a week ago, and they de-beavered the blinds. Those were the main two suspects. Did you see any floating fire ant balls?
Yeah, but you're only dealing with things that can kill you. Yeah, I understand. And the beavers are destroying the blind. They want to move in. It's not personal with the beaver. And I know people listen like, oh, don't hurt the beaver, but they're destroying our blinds. I don't care if the beaver lives or dies. I just don't want him to do it in our houses. He needs to go somewhere else.
Yeah, but you're only dealing with things that can kill you. Yeah, I understand. And the beavers are destroying the blind. They want to move in. It's not personal with the beaver. And I know people listen like, oh, don't hurt the beaver, but they're destroying our blinds. I don't care if the beaver lives or dies. I just don't want him to do it in our houses. He needs to go somewhere else.
You're free to leave, but if you make a stand, guess what? You die. Yep, we call the grave digger. And you don't think they'll take a stand, but they do in the cotton mills. Do they ever take a stand? This is like, this is my house. And we're like, no, we built it. So, oh, Jay, you know, he was loading up his pistol, you know. I was like, I thought you had already de-crittered the blind.
You're free to leave, but if you make a stand, guess what? You die. Yep, we call the grave digger. And you don't think they'll take a stand, but they do in the cotton mills. Do they ever take a stand? This is like, this is my house. And we're like, no, we built it. So, oh, Jay, you know, he was loading up his pistol, you know. I was like, I thought you had already de-crittered the blind.
He's like, well, you never know when you'll have some new inhabitants. But we didn't really run into any of that. So it was good. It was a good day.
He's like, well, you never know when you'll have some new inhabitants. But we didn't really run into any of that. So it was good. It was a good day.
I am unashamed. What about you?
I am unashamed. What about you?
He was 100%.
He was 100%.
Contentious.
Contentious.
Somebody put on the note, I was reading some of the comments the other day, and the guy goes, does Jace like Zach? He doesn't understand our relationship, Zach. Somebody replied, he loves him. I love that.
Somebody put on the note, I was reading some of the comments the other day, and the guy goes, does Jace like Zach? He doesn't understand our relationship, Zach. Somebody replied, he loves him. I love that.
I killed him for you. You had stifled him.
I killed him for you. You had stifled him.
I guess this podcast, well, it turned into, for the first time in almost 600 podcasts, it went from a storytelling to action and adventure. Yeah.
I guess this podcast, well, it turned into, for the first time in almost 600 podcasts, it went from a storytelling to action and adventure. Yeah.
Dying of sin is death. But see, I think what happened is that wasp heard us talking about giving life for making the world a better place, and he thought, I'm just going to give my life for the rest of these wasps here.
Dying of sin is death. But see, I think what happened is that wasp heard us talking about giving life for making the world a better place, and he thought, I'm just going to give my life for the rest of these wasps here.
I would recommend that we bump that one segment up into the actual, like has the intro for the main body. Here's what you'll see.
I would recommend that we bump that one segment up into the actual, like has the intro for the main body. Here's what you'll see.
Now, that's a Robertson trait, Phil. You've been doing this for years. When something bad happens, Phil immediately assesses blame. This would never happen. Whiskers wasn't long enough.
Now, that's a Robertson trait, Phil. You've been doing this for years. When something bad happens, Phil immediately assesses blame. This would never happen. Whiskers wasn't long enough.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But God always uses people that you just don't think. he would use to really transform the world.
But God always uses people that you just don't think. he would use to really transform the world.
That's good. You got a romantic side. I never knew that.
That's good. You got a romantic side. I never knew that.
I hope Missy's hand a lot because she's cold nature. That's true.
I hope Missy's hand a lot because she's cold nature. That's true.
So always, even yesterday, because I thought she's probably cold in here because it was a little drafty. And I grabbed her hand and sure enough, it felt like. Like two ice cubes. I mean, it's just a little way.
So always, even yesterday, because I thought she's probably cold in here because it was a little drafty. And I grabbed her hand and sure enough, it felt like. Like two ice cubes. I mean, it's just a little way.
Yeah. Like that. But if somebody walked by. I feel left out not having Zach here to say something nice about me.
Yeah. Like that. But if somebody walked by. I feel left out not having Zach here to say something nice about me.
I just see, I envision, feel. It's one of the saddest things I've ever watched in my life. In an urban city on a street corner with a sign that says, shut up.
I just see, I envision, feel. It's one of the saddest things I've ever watched in my life. In an urban city on a street corner with a sign that says, shut up.
That I am. It's the greatest line in the history of humanity. The greatest line is when they said, where's that in John? Yeah, John 8. He says, who are you? And he's like, I am. That's right.
That I am. It's the greatest line in the history of humanity. The greatest line is when they said, where's that in John? Yeah, John 8. He says, who are you? And he's like, I am. That's right.
From lost to saved.
From lost to saved.
Oh, that's right.
Oh, that's right.
Phil was teaching a Bible class while he had. He was passing a kidney stone. Yeah, kidney stones. And they said, you might already go to the hospital over that. And Phil's like, nah, it'd be all right. And so about halfway through the class, he goes down to one knee. And I thought, well, this is something he's going to show people when you pray. Humility. I thought it was an illustration.
Phil was teaching a Bible class while he had. He was passing a kidney stone. Yeah, kidney stones. And they said, you might already go to the hospital over that. And Phil's like, nah, it'd be all right. And so about halfway through the class, he goes down to one knee. And I thought, well, this is something he's going to show people when you pray. Humility. I thought it was an illustration.
And he said, everybody rest easy. I'm in a little bit of pain here. And then he turned over and went, he's still teaching. He went on his back. So just imagine there's a class full of people looking toward the podium and there's a man looking like Phil does on his back. Look. And he started raising his feet up against the wall and he kept on trying to get a little relief here, but never fear.
And he said, everybody rest easy. I'm in a little bit of pain here. And then he turned over and went, he's still teaching. He went on his back. So just imagine there's a class full of people looking toward the podium and there's a man looking like Phil does on his back. Look. And he started raising his feet up against the wall and he kept on trying to get a little relief here, but never fear.
And look, his intensity. He never stopped. He never stopped the lesson. And finally, after it was the time, okay, it's been 45 minutes, that a man taught with his head pointing the other way with his feet up on the wall. Did he have a Bible? He had his Bible.
And look, his intensity. He never stopped. He never stopped the lesson. And finally, after it was the time, okay, it's been 45 minutes, that a man taught with his head pointing the other way with his feet up on the wall. Did he have a Bible? He had his Bible.
His lips started quivering. And I thought, this man's fixed to die right here. And he's my dad. In the Bible class. In Bible class. And they finally convinced him to go up.
His lips started quivering. And I thought, this man's fixed to die right here. And he's my dad. In the Bible class. In Bible class. And they finally convinced him to go up.
Of course, then he goes to the hospital and they say, you know, we got to go up in there and see what's going on. And Phil said, whoa, whoa, whoa, go up in there.
Of course, then he goes to the hospital and they say, you know, we got to go up in there and see what's going on. And Phil said, whoa, whoa, whoa, go up in there.
Explain that one. Go up in there. So Phil gave them an exegesis on it. what a one-way road is supposed to be. But anyway, they said, well, Phil, we're gonna put you under. And I'm getting to the point that Phil does not, when he has an ailment, he just doesn't do what normal people do. And he said, I would rather you not put me under because he's kind of weird about that.
Explain that one. Go up in there. So Phil gave them an exegesis on it. what a one-way road is supposed to be. But anyway, they said, well, Phil, we're gonna put you under. And I'm getting to the point that Phil does not, when he has an ailment, he just doesn't do what normal people do. And he said, I would rather you not put me under because he's kind of weird about that.
I'm getting queasy.
I'm getting queasy.
When I was a kid, you know, Phil and Kay, they didn't tell us they loved us. I mean, it just wasn't. Do you remember the first time that he told you that?
When I was a kid, you know, Phil and Kay, they didn't tell us they loved us. I mean, it just wasn't. Do you remember the first time that he told you that?
Yeah, I appreciate it. That's probably the third or fourth time. I mean, I was a grown adult. No, Phil did it through. He made a big deal the first time because he just said, I never have said this, you know?
Yeah, I appreciate it. That's probably the third or fourth time. I mean, I was a grown adult. No, Phil did it through. He made a big deal the first time because he just said, I never have said this, you know?
It actually did. They quit stealing from it. What started us to be on TV was a commercial. That's right. And Benelli became our sponsor, not because we wanted to leave Browning. They said, thank you, we no longer need your services, which is kind of how it goes when you have sponsors for videos and all. So Benelli, I think it was one of the funniest moments ever
It actually did. They quit stealing from it. What started us to be on TV was a commercial. That's right. And Benelli became our sponsor, not because we wanted to leave Browning. They said, thank you, we no longer need your services, which is kind of how it goes when you have sponsors for videos and all. So Benelli, I think it was one of the funniest moments ever
Because they wanted to do a commercial because they really liked our videos. And they said, we want to do a commercial. Would y'all do it for Benelli? And we'll give you whatever money to help you do your video. And look, it was not big money. No, it wasn't back then. Everybody's like, oh, you got Benelli. I think we were more excited about getting the Benelli shotgun.
Because they wanted to do a commercial because they really liked our videos. And they said, we want to do a commercial. Would y'all do it for Benelli? And we'll give you whatever money to help you do your video. And look, it was not big money. No, it wasn't back then. Everybody's like, oh, you got Benelli. I think we were more excited about getting the Benelli shotgun.
Oh, you're doing it to get the shotgun because, I mean, they're proud of it. They have a high dollar, but it's a great gun. So they all come down. This is before any of us has ever seen a TV crew or people. And so here's a little – a small crew, which it looked big to me back then. It was about four or five. Yeah, three or four people, and they got some cameras.
Oh, you're doing it to get the shotgun because, I mean, they're proud of it. They have a high dollar, but it's a great gun. So they all come down. This is before any of us has ever seen a TV crew or people. And so here's a little – a small crew, which it looked big to me back then. It was about four or five. Yeah, three or four people, and they got some cameras.
And the guy who led it, who became known as the Marine, he was like getting – they had sheets of paper and with dialogue and – Phil was just standing there. He kept saying, y'all ready? Y'all ready? And they were like, yeah, we'll be right with you, Phil. I mean, they were like, and I think if he says this, we'll do this three times. Phil said, y'all ready? Y'all ready? And everybody kept talking.
And the guy who led it, who became known as the Marine, he was like getting – they had sheets of paper and with dialogue and – Phil was just standing there. He kept saying, y'all ready? Y'all ready? And they were like, yeah, we'll be right with you, Phil. I mean, they were like, and I think if he says this, we'll do this three times. Phil said, y'all ready? Y'all ready? And everybody kept talking.
And finally, the Marines. Well, they were going to say, what is the best shotgun? And they wanted him to.
And finally, the Marines. Well, they were going to say, what is the best shotgun? And they wanted him to.
To promote their shotgun.
To promote their shotgun.
That's right. Which is what TV people do. Oh, yeah. And Phil said, y'all ready? I got it. And he's like, well, you got what? Phil's like, I got the line. You can save all that crap. Which is kind of how the way we filmed that. The Marine, to his credit, which is why he became one of the producers of the show. That's right. He said, hey, he kind of jumped on the crew.
That's right. Which is what TV people do. Oh, yeah. And Phil said, y'all ready? I got it. And he's like, well, you got what? Phil's like, I got the line. You can save all that crap. Which is kind of how the way we filmed that. The Marine, to his credit, which is why he became one of the producers of the show. That's right. He said, hey, he kind of jumped on the crew.
He said, hey, turn the camera on and shut your mouth and let's hear what he's got to say. And so they turned the cameras on. It feels that the best shotgun is one that goes boom, boom, boom. And it was like a weird silence. And then they all kind of chuckled. Yeah. And Phil said, that'll do it. And so, like, start getting his mic off, you know. And the room said, you know what?
He said, hey, turn the camera on and shut your mouth and let's hear what he's got to say. And so they turned the cameras on. It feels that the best shotgun is one that goes boom, boom, boom. And it was like a weird silence. And then they all kind of chuckled. Yeah. And Phil said, that'll do it. And so, like, start getting his mic off, you know. And the room said, you know what?
I think he's right. And when he said that, the look on the crew's faces were like, are you crazy? Are you insane? We've set this whole thing up, brought all these people here. But he was right. It was a great line. And that was the line. Oh, it was their hook.
I think he's right. And when he said that, the look on the crew's faces were like, are you crazy? Are you insane? We've set this whole thing up, brought all these people here. But he was right. It was a great line. And that was the line. Oh, it was their hook.
hi, guys, use this Benelli Super Black Eagle 3. It's great for functionality. Well, people, they quit listening when he went, hi, guys. They gone. That's right. They on the port. But if you can say something that makes people think that's not on the nose, which, granted, is why we started doing a TV, because the Marine, he thought, huh, that was kind of clever. We need to get these guys a TV show.
hi, guys, use this Benelli Super Black Eagle 3. It's great for functionality. Well, people, they quit listening when he went, hi, guys. They gone. That's right. They on the port. But if you can say something that makes people think that's not on the nose, which, granted, is why we started doing a TV, because the Marine, he thought, huh, that was kind of clever. We need to get these guys a TV show.
And so that introduced Benelli Presents.com. Paul makes a point. He got you? Yep, he got you, Al. He's in your shirt. You got him? There he is. One finally got you. You're stinging? Yeah, he's stinging. Oh, man. Then he gave the death. I'll kill him. Well, I think you crippled him, but I will kill him for you.
And so that introduced Benelli Presents.com. Paul makes a point. He got you? Yep, he got you, Al. He's in your shirt. You got him? There he is. One finally got you. You're stinging? Yeah, he's stinging. Oh, man. Then he gave the death. I'll kill him. Well, I think you crippled him, but I will kill him for you.
I've been short stack most of my life. How do you get a big stack?
I've been short stack most of my life. How do you get a big stack?
He said it was 44 minutes before he was ever. He said 47. Oh, now it's up to 47. Okay. Which they're only 48 minutes long, so. Well, it's just kind of ironic, Si, because me, you, and Willie were on Sadie's podcast last year. And it's the first time we had all been together on a podcast, and it was her podcast. So I guess you'd think there would be more opportunities for that to happen.
He said it was 44 minutes before he was ever. He said 47. Oh, now it's up to 47. Okay. Which they're only 48 minutes long, so. Well, it's just kind of ironic, Si, because me, you, and Willie were on Sadie's podcast last year. And it's the first time we had all been together on a podcast, and it was her podcast. So I guess you'd think there would be more opportunities for that to happen.
So kings are your only option.
So kings are your only option.
And was this helping the crowd?
And was this helping the crowd?
Oh, yeah. Grumpy.
Oh, yeah. Grumpy.
And Maddie wants her cut, too.
And Maddie wants her cut, too.
Oh, then you short. Speaking of time, then he's out of there.
Oh, then you short. Speaking of time, then he's out of there.
Well, Zach, I'm glad you asked. Lisa and I got the, I'm a big fish fan. I mean, I love fish, all kinds of fish. And so we got some fish. And so this was a almond butter recipe that was super fresh. You don't want to overcook that, so you cook it really quick. And then they also sent us some super fresh Brussels sprouts and some broccoli in there as well. Absolutely loved it.
Well, Zach, I'm glad you asked. Lisa and I got the, I'm a big fish fan. I mean, I love fish, all kinds of fish. And so we got some fish. And so this was a almond butter recipe that was super fresh. You don't want to overcook that, so you cook it really quick. And then they also sent us some super fresh Brussels sprouts and some broccoli in there as well. Absolutely loved it.
But my point was. So did y'all have fun?
But my point was. So did y'all have fun?
Felt good about it when it was over because it fit into my diet. So it was a fantastic meal. Was it difficult to make? No, very easy. Made it in about probably 20 minutes.
Felt good about it when it was over because it fit into my diet. So it was a fantastic meal. Was it difficult to make? No, very easy. Made it in about probably 20 minutes.
So I'm not sure you can call that.
So I'm not sure you can call that.
Well, that's going to happen.
Well, that's going to happen.
It is, and it's kind of always been the Robertson way anyway. I told Cy when he got here this morning, Jace, because we were talking a little bit about that as well, because we're going out, everybody's out one day or the other with mom and dad. And I said, Cy, I'm just grateful. Dad was right. I'm grateful to God that you were born demented.
It is, and it's kind of always been the Robertson way anyway. I told Cy when he got here this morning, Jace, because we were talking a little bit about that as well, because we're going out, everybody's out one day or the other with mom and dad. And I said, Cy, I'm just grateful. Dad was right. I'm grateful to God that you were born demented.
And the tabernacle.
And the tabernacle.
And by the way, just to set that up, so the pillar, remember, had been above them the whole time they're coming out. So the idea was... Yeah, the presence of God was there, but he was still far away. He was like above them, so that's the idea.
And by the way, just to set that up, so the pillar, remember, had been above them the whole time they're coming out. So the idea was... Yeah, the presence of God was there, but he was still far away. He was like above them, so that's the idea.
so that we could get used to that that's right we've had 75 years of size dementia and we're just we know how to deal with it i mean you're just fine you're you're happy go lucky it's it's fantastic well hi the human race we i said it when i come in here because uh getting ready for this when i'm thinking about jacob's letter okay
so that we could get used to that that's right we've had 75 years of size dementia and we're just we know how to deal with it i mean you're just fine you're you're happy go lucky it's it's fantastic well hi the human race we i said it when i come in here because uh getting ready for this when i'm thinking about jacob's letter okay
But he was glowing when he came out. He was glowing.
But he was glowing when he came out. He was glowing.
So one of the most, I would say, faith-inspiring things in my life, Jace, is reading stories about martyrs for the cause. I mean, starting, of course, with the original group, but for the last 2,000 years, there have been people that have paid the ultimate price for the kingdom.
So one of the most, I would say, faith-inspiring things in my life, Jace, is reading stories about martyrs for the cause. I mean, starting, of course, with the original group, but for the last 2,000 years, there have been people that have paid the ultimate price for the kingdom.
Yeah, in a gruesome, terrible way. And that's the sort of thing, I mean, the evil one has definitely been trying to stamp out the kingdom of God in different ways. The Voice of the Martyrs, which is a fantastic organization that's been inspiring me for many, many years. I've shared it with the congregation and everywhere I go. Todd Nettleton, who is the radio host of Voice of the Martyrs,
Yeah, in a gruesome, terrible way. And that's the sort of thing, I mean, the evil one has definitely been trying to stamp out the kingdom of God in different ways. The Voice of the Martyrs, which is a fantastic organization that's been inspiring me for many, many years. I've shared it with the congregation and everywhere I go. Todd Nettleton, who is the radio host of Voice of the Martyrs,
He's written a new book, and it's right here if you're watching. It's called When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Frontlines with Persecuted Christians.
He's written a new book, and it's right here if you're watching. It's called When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Frontlines with Persecuted Christians.
And so what he does is like you're going on this journey through these restricted countries, and each step along the way, there's another story, kind of like the ones Zach just mentioned, of amazing faith-driven bravery to step up for the cause of the kingdom. Yeah. And he's offering it for free.
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Don't start injecting stuff that is not true. Let me say one thing because there's a lot of people that love our rabbit holes. So Jace went to Exodus 33, which is an excellent point. For those of you who want to read that and then dive a little deeper, read 2 Corinthians 4 because Paul makes the exact same point Jace made in more detail. And the key there is that Jesus was the only link between
Don't start injecting stuff that is not true. Let me say one thing because there's a lot of people that love our rabbit holes. So Jace went to Exodus 33, which is an excellent point. For those of you who want to read that and then dive a little deeper, read 2 Corinthians 4 because Paul makes the exact same point Jace made in more detail. And the key there is that Jesus was the only link between
to see the face of God, as it's explained in Exodus, and then also to be present to us. That's why I tell the disciples, when you've seen me, you've seen the Father. So finally you can look into the face of God because of Christ.
to see the face of God, as it's explained in Exodus, and then also to be present to us. That's why I tell the disciples, when you've seen me, you've seen the Father. So finally you can look into the face of God because of Christ.
Which, by the way, one other thing, we skipped over the verse, but back in Exodus 33, there's a verse there that says, and Joshua, his aide... stayed in the tent when he came out. So the idea of mentorship and then preparing somebody for the next leadership, which Joshua was to Moses, it's very important. He experienced that as well.
Which, by the way, one other thing, we skipped over the verse, but back in Exodus 33, there's a verse there that says, and Joshua, his aide... stayed in the tent when he came out. So the idea of mentorship and then preparing somebody for the next leadership, which Joshua was to Moses, it's very important. He experienced that as well.
Most people don't realize Moses was the only one to be in that tent, but Joshua was there writing everything down at the same time, which is important.
Most people don't realize Moses was the only one to be in that tent, but Joshua was there writing everything down at the same time, which is important.
Because you have the Spirit.
Because you have the Spirit.
Yeah. All right, well, let me read it, and then we can dive more into it because we've been talking all around it. So this is John 2. On the third day, a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. We've already said that was just maybe four miles from Nazareth, which is where Jesus is from, which would probably explain why his mom was there. Jesus' mother was there.
Yeah. All right, well, let me read it, and then we can dive more into it because we've been talking all around it. So this is John 2. On the third day, a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. We've already said that was just maybe four miles from Nazareth, which is where Jesus is from, which would probably explain why his mom was there. Jesus' mother was there.
And Jesus is there.
And Jesus is there.
And Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, they have no more wine. Dear woman, why do you involve me? Jesus replied, here you go, Si, here's your line. My time has not yet come. And yet it really had. His mother said to the servants, which is an interesting response to that statement, do whatever he tells you.
And Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, they have no more wine. Dear woman, why do you involve me? Jesus replied, here you go, Si, here's your line. My time has not yet come. And yet it really had. His mother said to the servants, which is an interesting response to that statement, do whatever he tells you.
Saying he's there representing us. So it's happening in real time.
Saying he's there representing us. So it's happening in real time.
Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing. 20 to 30 gallons. Holding 20 to 30 gallons. Jesus said to the servants, fill the jars with water. So they filled them to the brim. We've got a lot of water. Then he told them, now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet. Now, I just want to stop for a minute just for a commentary.
Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing. 20 to 30 gallons. Holding 20 to 30 gallons. Jesus said to the servants, fill the jars with water. So they filled them to the brim. We've got a lot of water. Then he told them, now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet. Now, I just want to stop for a minute just for a commentary.
Can you imagine what these servants are thinking? When they told him this, like they just... No, they're probably giggling under there. Oh, they're probably thinking, we're fixing to get throttled.
Can you imagine what these servants are thinking? When they told him this, like they just... No, they're probably giggling under there. Oh, they're probably thinking, we're fixing to get throttled.
But they did it because Marriott said, do whatever he says. Yeah. And the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. So that happened in the process here. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
But they did it because Marriott said, do whatever he says. Yeah. And the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. So that happened in the process here. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, Everyone brings out the choice wine first, and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, the old bait and switch. But you have saved the best till now. So he gets a praise from the host here. This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed at Cana in Galilee.
Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, Everyone brings out the choice wine first, and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, the old bait and switch. But you have saved the best till now. So he gets a praise from the host here. This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed at Cana in Galilee.
He thus revealed his glory, to Jesus' point, and his disciples put their faith in him.
He thus revealed his glory, to Jesus' point, and his disciples put their faith in him.
That's right, it was a week long.
That's right, it was a week long.
Okay, because this is a week party. Because remember, Cy, this is not like... We have pretty big weddings now, but this whole idea, this was arranged ahead of time. The couple had been betrothed usually for a year or more. Yeah, for years. They'd been building a house somewhere to wait to go in together. So this thing is like a huge celebration of coming together. And the one faux pas...
Okay, because this is a week party. Because remember, Cy, this is not like... We have pretty big weddings now, but this whole idea, this was arranged ahead of time. The couple had been betrothed usually for a year or more. Yeah, for years. They'd been building a house somewhere to wait to go in together. So this thing is like a huge celebration of coming together. And the one faux pas...
that you could ever have is to run out of food or wine. No, no. You don't do that. Yeah. Because the hospitality is big. It's still big in the eastern region.
that you could ever have is to run out of food or wine. No, no. You don't do that. Yeah. Because the hospitality is big. It's still big in the eastern region.
My time is not... That struck me, Si, because Mary, it doesn't say much about Mary. You don't see her. This is one of the few times she pops up. I think she's only twice at the cross in here. And the one where the brothers, remember that time they came to see her. But most of the time she hasn't been seen.
My time is not... That struck me, Si, because Mary, it doesn't say much about Mary. You don't see her. This is one of the few times she pops up. I think she's only twice at the cross in here. And the one where the brothers, remember that time they came to see her. But most of the time she hasn't been seen.
But obviously those verses early that says she pondered these things or treasured them in her heart, she knew something was going on because why would she say whatever he But you know when you're a virgin and you get burned. Well, exactly, exactly. Because nobody knew for sure except her. Joseph went because the angels told him.
But obviously those verses early that says she pondered these things or treasured them in her heart, she knew something was going on because why would she say whatever he But you know when you're a virgin and you get burned. Well, exactly, exactly. Because nobody knew for sure except her. Joseph went because the angels told him.
Yeah, right. Which is very. Which, by the way, is what we would say today, right? We would say, okay. Well, I'd roll my eyes. Yeah.
Yeah, right. Which is very. Which, by the way, is what we would say today, right? We would say, okay. Well, I'd roll my eyes. Yeah.
I know they had to question it.
I know they had to question it.
When you show up with some water when they've called for wine, that would be, in our day, a fireable offense. In their day, much, much worse. So whatever is going to happen.
When you show up with some water when they've called for wine, that would be, in our day, a fireable offense. In their day, much, much worse. So whatever is going to happen.
Well, of course, it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. outfits. It was awkward, but I will say this.
Well, of course, it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. outfits. It was awkward, but I will say this.
I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.
I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.
Dynasty. Really? Yeah, dynasty. They don't say dynasty. They say dynasty. That doesn't come out of a letter as I'm just reading. Right. Well, if you could have heard it the way they were saying it, they were like, oh, we led that Chapman dynasty. Yeah. So that's the way they would have said it.
Dynasty. Really? Yeah, dynasty. They don't say dynasty. They say dynasty. That doesn't come out of a letter as I'm just reading. Right. Well, if you could have heard it the way they were saying it, they were like, oh, we led that Chapman dynasty. Yeah. So that's the way they would have said it.
So I want to make this point because this was something interesting when I did research to your points about my time has not yet come. I first thought about what Paul said in Galatians 4.4 when he said when the time, when the set time had fully come, God sent his son born of one, born under the law. You remember that passage? So there's this idea that there was an appointment of time for us.
So I want to make this point because this was something interesting when I did research to your points about my time has not yet come. I first thought about what Paul said in Galatians 4.4 when he said when the time, when the set time had fully come, God sent his son born of one, born under the law. You remember that passage? So there's this idea that there was an appointment of time for us.
If you approach this text by wondering whether it was alcohol or not, you've missed a big, big point.
If you approach this text by wondering whether it was alcohol or not, you've missed a big, big point.
Yes.
Yes.
All right, so let me share this with you, James. This is going to prove the point you just made. This is something I didn't know until I got into the study this time. Five times this phrase is used, my time has not yet come, by Jesus or about Jesus, because John used one of them. One of them is here in our text. There's three in John seven, John seven, six, seven, eight, seven 30.
All right, so let me share this with you, James. This is going to prove the point you just made. This is something I didn't know until I got into the study this time. Five times this phrase is used, my time has not yet come, by Jesus or about Jesus, because John used one of them. One of them is here in our text. There's three in John seven, John seven, six, seven, eight, seven 30.
That's the context. You remember where the brothers told him he needed to go up to the feast of tabernacles. And he was like, no, my time is not yet come. And they were like, Oh, you need to get out there. And you know, if you're going to be a man of the people, you got to show yourself. They were the marketing director. And he's like, he's three times.
That's the context. You remember where the brothers told him he needed to go up to the feast of tabernacles. And he was like, no, my time is not yet come. And they were like, Oh, you need to get out there. And you know, if you're going to be a man of the people, you got to show yourself. They were the marketing director. And he's like, he's three times.
He says in that context, my time is not yet come. Um, And then again in 8.20, remember we get into John 8 is where they were questioning him, who gave you the authority? He said, my time has not yet come. Listen to this. There's three times later in John where he says the time has come. The first one doesn't start until 12.23. The second one is 13.1.
He says in that context, my time is not yet come. Um, And then again in 8.20, remember we get into John 8 is where they were questioning him, who gave you the authority? He said, my time has not yet come. Listen to this. There's three times later in John where he says the time has come. The first one doesn't start until 12.23. The second one is 13.1.
That was with his disciples the night before when he was washing their feet. And then the last one is 17, one where he was praying, and he said, my time has come. Guess what happened before that language changed with Jesus? All seven of the miracles that John talks about, and guess which the last one was? The raising of Lazarus from the dead.
That was with his disciples the night before when he was washing their feet. And then the last one is 17, one where he was praying, and he said, my time has come. Guess what happened before that language changed with Jesus? All seven of the miracles that John talks about, and guess which the last one was? The raising of Lazarus from the dead.
which was the pinnacle sign that God had now come to defeat the very power of death, which Jesus would later do. So it's really interesting that the language Jesus uses goes right up to that point through John 11, and then all of a sudden says, my time has come.
which was the pinnacle sign that God had now come to defeat the very power of death, which Jesus would later do. So it's really interesting that the language Jesus uses goes right up to that point through John 11, and then all of a sudden says, my time has come.
So listen to this. So it's the power. So this is the power over this idea and this situation and transformation, water to wine. Listen to the seven signs. I'm just giving it to you quick. In chapter four, it's the power over distance. It's where he healed the guy. You just said, oh, yeah, he's ready.
So listen to this. So it's the power. So this is the power over this idea and this situation and transformation, water to wine. Listen to the seven signs. I'm just giving it to you quick. In chapter four, it's the power over distance. It's where he healed the guy. You just said, oh, yeah, he's ready.
You don't have to bring him. I don't have to go there. You don't need to go. Yeah. The third one was the guy, Bethsaida, in chapter five. That was power over disease. No disease was more powerful than Christ.
You don't have to bring him. I don't have to go there. You don't need to go. Yeah. The third one was the guy, Bethsaida, in chapter five. That was power over disease. No disease was more powerful than Christ.
So then in chapter 6, it was the feeding of the 5,000 and later another 4,000. So that's insufficiency. We can't take care of ourselves. He said, I'm bigger than that. Then he walked on water and calmed the storm in John 6. That's power over nature. Anything's out there. I made it. So if I tell the winds to stop, they stop.
So then in chapter 6, it was the feeding of the 5,000 and later another 4,000. So that's insufficiency. We can't take care of ourselves. He said, I'm bigger than that. Then he walked on water and calmed the storm in John 6. That's power over nature. Anything's out there. I made it. So if I tell the winds to stop, they stop.
And then listen to this. John chapter 9, the 6th one was the man born blind. And that shows you the power over sin. Because remember, they were saying, who's sin? This man or his parents? And he's like... Which, by the way...
And then listen to this. John chapter 9, the 6th one was the man born blind. And that shows you the power over sin. Because remember, they were saying, who's sin? This man or his parents? And he's like... Which, by the way...
And look, the bottom line is, as believers, we have to look at it and say, look, because I have a weakness in a certain area, I'm going to remove myself from that because it's not good for me. I can say the same thing about cheeseburgers. The reason I'm on a diet is I got a weakness for cheeseburgers. But I'm not going to resent Cy for eating a cheeseburger.
And look, the bottom line is, as believers, we have to look at it and say, look, because I have a weakness in a certain area, I'm going to remove myself from that because it's not good for me. I can say the same thing about cheeseburgers. The reason I'm on a diet is I got a weakness for cheeseburgers. But I'm not going to resent Cy for eating a cheeseburger.
I'm just going to say, brother, you enjoy that. I'm going to go over here and fix me some veggies.
I'm just going to say, brother, you enjoy that. I'm going to go over here and fix me some veggies.
But to your point, I grew up hearing sermons that included this text that never dealt with the beautiful picture in the text. Zero. Because it was always about what wasn't really happening or what was really.
But to your point, I grew up hearing sermons that included this text that never dealt with the beautiful picture in the text. Zero. Because it was always about what wasn't really happening or what was really.
In our current era, that's what it tends to be. So, Simon, you came in there today and sat down. The first thing you said was, boys, what we're talking about today is about time. So I got to tell you, we're out of time. How fast did that go by?
In our current era, that's what it tends to be. So, Simon, you came in there today and sat down. The first thing you said was, boys, what we're talking about today is about time. So I got to tell you, we're out of time. How fast did that go by?
Because that last sign, by the way, was defeating death. There are no alarm clocks. No need. We have eternity to enjoy.
Because that last sign, by the way, was defeating death. There are no alarm clocks. No need. We have eternity to enjoy.
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Really?
Really?
That's a whole different atmosphere over there. It's kind of like a barnyard situation. You know, it was a first, though.
That's a whole different atmosphere over there. It's kind of like a barnyard situation. You know, it was a first, though.
All the animals are there. There's a lot of clucking and noises.
All the animals are there. There's a lot of clucking and noises.
Which is his whole point, which by the way, if you keep going, James 3.10, his intent was that now through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be known to the rulers and authorities where? In the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose, which he accomplished in Christ Jesus. So again, there's this idea of both realms, but Si is right.
Which is his whole point, which by the way, if you keep going, James 3.10, his intent was that now through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be known to the rulers and authorities where? In the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose, which he accomplished in Christ Jesus. So again, there's this idea of both realms, but Si is right.
And then it's outside time and yet it's inside time. It's both.
And then it's outside time and yet it's inside time. It's both.
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Oh, I got to hear this.
Oh, I got to hear this.
No, no, because, hey. I mean, like singing and dancing skit? No, no.
No, no, because, hey. I mean, like singing and dancing skit? No, no.
Okay?
Okay?
My favorite time that I was with Si, and he did this skit, we were at Auburn University in their basketball arena, and it was packed. I don't know if you remember this. There was 15,000 people in there. Si did his thing. It was so good. People were loving it. He said, and oh, by the way, let me tell you one other thing.
My favorite time that I was with Si, and he did this skit, we were at Auburn University in their basketball arena, and it was packed. I don't know if you remember this. There was 15,000 people in there. Si did his thing. It was so good. People were loving it. He said, and oh, by the way, let me tell you one other thing.
When you let your little bird go, you know, your war eagle, he said he's landing right now at midfield.
When you let your little bird go, you know, your war eagle, he said he's landing right now at midfield.
He said, it's confusing me. He needs to land in the end zone so the football team will know where they're supposed to go. And everybody just roared. I looked at Zion when we walked out, and I was like, did you just think of that? That was brilliant. It was the perfect way to close it. He closed it with that, and they cheered us off. You know what's weird?
He said, it's confusing me. He needs to land in the end zone so the football team will know where they're supposed to go. And everybody just roared. I looked at Zion when we walked out, and I was like, did you just think of that? That was brilliant. It was the perfect way to close it. He closed it with that, and they cheered us off. You know what's weird?
Which I hate bringing up poker stories because there's some.
Which I hate bringing up poker stories because there's some.
But you had the three people at this table play poker.
But you had the three people at this table play poker.
And I'm wondering why they took you off the list, because he describes himself as studying for his podcast presentations and then winning some money. I did that last night. He's the most disengaged poker player ever. I was literally reading the Bible last night at the poker game. I can't imagine why they don't want you. On my phone.
And I'm wondering why they took you off the list, because he describes himself as studying for his podcast presentations and then winning some money. I did that last night. He's the most disengaged poker player ever. I was literally reading the Bible last night at the poker game. I can't imagine why they don't want you. On my phone.
And everybody in the center, including you.
And everybody in the center, including you.
They were there when I got there. I got there. I think Missy was there. Missy. Everybody showed up. And then we came late.
They were there when I got there. I got there. I think Missy was there. Missy. Everybody showed up. And then we came late.
If you leave, we'll carry on with that.
If you leave, we'll carry on with that.
So I told that story because I wrote down and maybe it was the Holy Spirit. So I was going to say, you know, then I was going to address because I knew my mom was watching because Missy was with her and was streaming it. And I was going to say thank you, you know, to my mom. I was going to be personal, but that's why I got a little choked up because I knew I had to get to that.
So I told that story because I wrote down and maybe it was the Holy Spirit. So I was going to say, you know, then I was going to address because I knew my mom was watching because Missy was with her and was streaming it. And I was going to say thank you, you know, to my mom. I was going to be personal, but that's why I got a little choked up because I knew I had to get to that.
And I was going to say thank you for being God's glue and propulsion to help us fly. And so that was – and then I was going to make a comment about that's – She did that based on the Spirit of God and her following Jesus. She was trying to get that into us at an early age. That was kind of the idea about it. But I wanted to share it, and since I was going to save it for the sermon, but...
And I was going to say thank you for being God's glue and propulsion to help us fly. And so that was – and then I was going to make a comment about that's – She did that based on the Spirit of God and her following Jesus. She was trying to get that into us at an early age. That was kind of the idea about it. But I wanted to share it, and since I was going to save it for the sermon, but...
I just thought, I'm going to be a basket case if I do that. That was just, that was too raw in the moment.
I just thought, I'm going to be a basket case if I do that. That was just, that was too raw in the moment.
I mean, what?
I mean, what?
Well, because I really just thought if I start this, I don't think I can – get through it. And I didn't want it to be that awkward, but I wanted to share that because my whole point is, I love it. Uh, you know, it does make you thankful of what the Lord did in destroying this enemy. You know, he, he views death as an enemy. Yeah.
Well, because I really just thought if I start this, I don't think I can – get through it. And I didn't want it to be that awkward, but I wanted to share that because my whole point is, I love it. Uh, you know, it does make you thankful of what the Lord did in destroying this enemy. You know, he, he views death as an enemy. Yeah.
He says that in, you know, first Corinthians 15, he says the last enemy is, To be destroyed is death. Where's that in 1 Corinthians 15? When he hands over the kingdom to the Father. Let's get the exact verse on that because it's... I think we tend to always think, well, the enemy, we have an enemy.
He says that in, you know, first Corinthians 15, he says the last enemy is, To be destroyed is death. Where's that in 1 Corinthians 15? When he hands over the kingdom to the Father. Let's get the exact verse on that because it's... I think we tend to always think, well, the enemy, we have an enemy.
Because it says it again at the end, too. Yeah, it says, you know, in verse 22, it says, for as in Adam, all die. Ever since Adam and Eve... And you remember the conversation. The evil one, who is also an enemy, but what is he known for? Being the ruler of the realm of the dead. Because that was his whole plan once he fell from his role and didn't image God. Well, what is he going to do?
Because it says it again at the end, too. Yeah, it says, you know, in verse 22, it says, for as in Adam, all die. Ever since Adam and Eve... And you remember the conversation. The evil one, who is also an enemy, but what is he known for? Being the ruler of the realm of the dead. Because that was his whole plan once he fell from his role and didn't image God. Well, what is he going to do?
He's going to destroy God's plan. And I believe, you know, you can make a case from Scripture, is that's why... the evil one and all his entourage are doing this. They're trying to delay the plan of God because the longer they delay... the more they can exist because they're ultimately going to be destroyed. And I think it's interesting that that is one enemy.
He's going to destroy God's plan. And I believe, you know, you can make a case from Scripture, is that's why... the evil one and all his entourage are doing this. They're trying to delay the plan of God because the longer they delay... the more they can exist because they're ultimately going to be destroyed. And I think it's interesting that that is one enemy.
But the other, we don't look at death as an enemy because it says in 23 of 15, but each in his own turn, Christ the firstfruits. Then when he comes, those who belong to him. Well, there we are. Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God, the Father. After he has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. There's that reference to the evil one and his entourage.
But the other, we don't look at death as an enemy because it says in 23 of 15, but each in his own turn, Christ the firstfruits. Then when he comes, those who belong to him. Well, there we are. Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God, the Father. After he has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. There's that reference to the evil one and his entourage.
But then watch where he goes. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies. Well, I thought that was all of his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. Death itself is then destroyed. Right. Which is kind of obvious, but we don't think about it because we're going to live forever. Right.
But then watch where he goes. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies. Well, I thought that was all of his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. Death itself is then destroyed. Right. Which is kind of obvious, but we don't think about it because we're going to live forever. Right.
Some people say, well, what's going to happen then? What's to cause this from all happening again? Because he will destroy death itself.
Some people say, well, what's going to happen then? What's to cause this from all happening again? Because he will destroy death itself.
Well, and the only difference is some is, you know, in Adam, they're all going to die. Right. But in Christ, you know, it says he died for everyone, 2 Corinthians 5, which is a very interesting verse. It says when he died... Therefore, all died. Yeah. It was then made available to all. I don't know how. I know there are some religious groups that have trouble with that. Right.
Well, and the only difference is some is, you know, in Adam, they're all going to die. Right. But in Christ, you know, it says he died for everyone, 2 Corinthians 5, which is a very interesting verse. It says when he died... Therefore, all died. Yeah. It was then made available to all. I don't know how. I know there are some religious groups that have trouble with that. Right.
But that's what it says. Right. But it doesn't mean that you're going to surrender to the Lord. Right. Which just seems like a no-brainer. Right. I mean, there's a way not to die. Are you in? It's through Jesus. And people say, nope, I'm going to take my chances. That's not it. That's not a good way of thinking. That's not a good strategy. I agree. So...
But that's what it says. Right. But it doesn't mean that you're going to surrender to the Lord. Right. Which just seems like a no-brainer. Right. I mean, there's a way not to die. Are you in? It's through Jesus. And people say, nope, I'm going to take my chances. That's not it. That's not a good way of thinking. That's not a good strategy. I agree. So...
To segue into John, I guess we can just go on without that. I think he is officially taking his lovely wife.
To segue into John, I guess we can just go on without that. I think he is officially taking his lovely wife.
Amen. And I know we're going to move to John, and we're done with my sermon, but one point I did not make since you said that prayer, I feel led to do this. You know, one of the things that God gives his family, And I made this point ad nauseum, but use it. The Father is for us. Romans 8, if God is for us, who can be against us? And in love, he started this whole thing.
Amen. And I know we're going to move to John, and we're done with my sermon, but one point I did not make since you said that prayer, I feel led to do this. You know, one of the things that God gives his family, And I made this point ad nauseum, but use it. The Father is for us. Romans 8, if God is for us, who can be against us? And in love, he started this whole thing.
And, you know, based on what we read in Ephesians 3, you know, when Paul said, for this reason I kneel before the Father from whom the whole family in heaven and on earth derives this name. And there's a lot about prayer in Ephesians. But it's either Paul praying or, you know, when he gets to chapter 6, I mean, we have this armor of God, and he keeps bringing up prayer.
And, you know, based on what we read in Ephesians 3, you know, when Paul said, for this reason I kneel before the Father from whom the whole family in heaven and on earth derives this name. And there's a lot about prayer in Ephesians. But it's either Paul praying or, you know, when he gets to chapter 6, I mean, we have this armor of God, and he keeps bringing up prayer.
He's like, verse 18, pray in the Spirit on all occasions. With all kinds of prayers and requests, with this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying. Verse 19, pray also for me. And I had two verses that I didn't read, but it was based on the point that in Christ is where God and humans meet, heaven and earth coming together, being connected. Jesus in heaven representing us.
He's like, verse 18, pray in the Spirit on all occasions. With all kinds of prayers and requests, with this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying. Verse 19, pray also for me. And I had two verses that I didn't read, but it was based on the point that in Christ is where God and humans meet, heaven and earth coming together, being connected. Jesus in heaven representing us.
We're representing him because he's given us his spirit. But there's also a perspective of that about the Father because in Ephesians 2, 18, and I want to read this. Because what you just did in prayer is based on that fact, what I just read. It says, for through him, we both, talking about Jews and Gentiles coming together as a new people, we both have access to the Father by one spirit.
We're representing him because he's given us his spirit. But there's also a perspective of that about the Father because in Ephesians 2, 18, and I want to read this. Because what you just did in prayer is based on that fact, what I just read. It says, for through him, we both, talking about Jews and Gentiles coming together as a new people, we both have access to the Father by one spirit.
Then he says in 3.12, right before he literally prays that I'm going to read that. But in 3.12, he says, I ask you, now this is the next mystery, talking about the church is going to make known to the heavenly realms what God has done in his wisdom, which he accomplished in Christ Jesus. That's verse 11. So then verse 12, it says, in Christ, in him, and through faith in him,
Then he says in 3.12, right before he literally prays that I'm going to read that. But in 3.12, he says, I ask you, now this is the next mystery, talking about the church is going to make known to the heavenly realms what God has done in his wisdom, which he accomplished in Christ Jesus. That's verse 11. So then verse 12, it says, in Christ, in him, and through faith in him,
we may approach God with freedom and confidence. I mean, it's something I didn't notice when we studied Ephesians. We talk about in Christ, we talk about he's given his spirit, but he's also addressing God being for you. And now you have access through Jesus humbling himself and through the spirit humbling himself.
we may approach God with freedom and confidence. I mean, it's something I didn't notice when we studied Ephesians. We talk about in Christ, we talk about he's given his spirit, but he's also addressing God being for you. And now you have access through Jesus humbling himself and through the spirit humbling himself.
himself as a spirit pointing and teaching about Jesus while he's in your literal body. And Romans 5 echoes that.
himself as a spirit pointing and teaching about Jesus while he's in your literal body. And Romans 5 echoes that.
Well, she's doing better, and I actually had a story that I did not share in the sermon about... my mom, I did share a couple of funny stories, which we talked about the on the last podcast and we won't get into it again, but I had one at the end. Cause it was a touching story that happened, uh, while they're here. And it's a great facility.
Well, she's doing better, and I actually had a story that I did not share in the sermon about... my mom, I did share a couple of funny stories, which we talked about the on the last podcast and we won't get into it again, but I had one at the end. Cause it was a touching story that happened, uh, while they're here. And it's a great facility.
Yeah, and you declaring that through prayer, that's why he didn't just say pray, which he did many times when he was talking about the armor of God. He went through each aspect of the armor, but when he got to pray... Praying, he said it multiple times.
Yeah, and you declaring that through prayer, that's why he didn't just say pray, which he did many times when he was talking about the armor of God. He went through each aspect of the armor, but when he got to pray... Praying, he said it multiple times.
And he had showed you examples of it when he said, you know, early on in chapter 1 where he prayed that you would know him better, which is how God revealed himself in Jesus. So that's part of it. But then when he prayed in that, I mean, it's one of the greatest prayers in the Bible. In verse 16, he says, I pray of chapter 3.
And he had showed you examples of it when he said, you know, early on in chapter 1 where he prayed that you would know him better, which is how God revealed himself in Jesus. So that's part of it. But then when he prayed in that, I mean, it's one of the greatest prayers in the Bible. In verse 16, he says, I pray of chapter 3.
I pray that out of His glorious riches He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you're being rooted and established in love. Well, there's going back to the Father. It goes back to Ephesians 1.4. In love He predestined us. Because a lot of people, they argue about what predestination means.
I pray that out of His glorious riches He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you're being rooted and established in love. Well, there's going back to the Father. It goes back to Ephesians 1.4. In love He predestined us. Because a lot of people, they argue about what predestination means.
And I'm like... And that's fine, which I believe it's God's plan in Christ, which I clearly preached on. But I'm like, wherever you start, the root of it is love. It's the Father's love.
And I'm like... And that's fine, which I believe it's God's plan in Christ, which I clearly preached on. But I'm like, wherever you start, the root of it is love. It's the Father's love.
And so then it says that they may have power together with all the saints to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ and to know this love that surpasses knowledge that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. He wouldn't write that if God wasn't for you. That's right. Well, that's why I think it's awesome that your immediate response was,
And so then it says that they may have power together with all the saints to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ and to know this love that surpasses knowledge that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. He wouldn't write that if God wasn't for you. That's right. Well, that's why I think it's awesome that your immediate response was,
Well, let's pray about this. Exactly.
Well, let's pray about this. Exactly.
It's like little, little cabins and homes, you know, apartments.
It's like little, little cabins and homes, you know, apartments.
No, I agree. That made me think, because we were talking about the resurrection earlier and ending death itself. You know, Romans 8 is... I mean, it's got to be top five chapters that we're going with if you can only have five. Something just to encourage people, yeah.
No, I agree. That made me think, because we were talking about the resurrection earlier and ending death itself. You know, Romans 8 is... I mean, it's got to be top five chapters that we're going with if you can only have five. Something just to encourage people, yeah.
Yeah. And so, uh, and, and, and they, they, they've kind of realized now at this point that they need it. And so, uh, But my dad's not been doing well at all, just physically and mentally. But even yesterday, you know, because he's not real mobile, and so I was moving him around at his request, you know. Yeah.
Yeah. And so, uh, and, and, and they, they, they've kind of realized now at this point that they need it. And so, uh, But my dad's not been doing well at all, just physically and mentally. But even yesterday, you know, because he's not real mobile, and so I was moving him around at his request, you know. Yeah.
And, I mean, he starts talking about we're children, you know, and it says in verse 17 of 8, it says, if we're children, then we're heirs, heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Because, you know, life is filled with suffering.
And, I mean, he starts talking about we're children, you know, and it says in verse 17 of 8, it says, if we're children, then we're heirs, heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Because, you know, life is filled with suffering.
Even Paul writing his letter, you know, where he said all this about praying and praying and praying and then, you know, pray for me. He was chained in prison. Yeah. And, you know, people read that and it was like, Well, sounds like God's not listening. How come he's chained up?
Even Paul writing his letter, you know, where he said all this about praying and praying and praying and then, you know, pray for me. He was chained in prison. Yeah. And, you know, people read that and it was like, Well, sounds like God's not listening. How come he's chained up?
And I think these kind of verses make more sense in that moment that when you take on the powers that are against God, there will be resistance. I mean, there's different forms of suffering. You know, God uses discipline, you know, to Hebrews 11. 12 talks about that, you know. But there's also the evil one trying to make you stop talking, which is why he would just kill people.
And I think these kind of verses make more sense in that moment that when you take on the powers that are against God, there will be resistance. I mean, there's different forms of suffering. You know, God uses discipline, you know, to Hebrews 11. 12 talks about that, you know. But there's also the evil one trying to make you stop talking, which is why he would just kill people.
He was a murderer from the beginning. That's why most of the guys in the New Testament were martyred, I think, all but one. And so, I mean, life is going to be filled with suffering. But then he goes on to talk about our future glory, and he gets into this, even talking about the creation itself, which...
He was a murderer from the beginning. That's why most of the guys in the New Testament were martyred, I think, all but one. And so, I mean, life is going to be filled with suffering. But then he goes on to talk about our future glory, and he gets into this, even talking about the creation itself, which...
Now through the years, I've kind of changed my opinion on this because I'm kind of a new heaven and new earth guy. I realize that phrase is used just as a new world. I mean, even talking about when the temple would be destroyed, he was like, there'll be a new heaven and new earth. Immediately everybody thinks, oh, this is at the end. But it was a new world for Israel. Yeah.
Now through the years, I've kind of changed my opinion on this because I'm kind of a new heaven and new earth guy. I realize that phrase is used just as a new world. I mean, even talking about when the temple would be destroyed, he was like, there'll be a new heaven and new earth. Immediately everybody thinks, oh, this is at the end. But it was a new world for Israel. Yeah.
But I do think Revelation 21 and Romans 8 here, I mean, God is pretty good at creating things. And he's really good at newly creating things, which is what he does. Recreating, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Ephesians 4 talks about that. He's talking about put on the new self. So I'm at the point now where, and throw in the fact that Jesus post-resurrection was eating fish with his disciples, right?
But I do think Revelation 21 and Romans 8 here, I mean, God is pretty good at creating things. And he's really good at newly creating things, which is what he does. Recreating, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Ephesians 4 talks about that. He's talking about put on the new self. So I'm at the point now where, and throw in the fact that Jesus post-resurrection was eating fish with his disciples, right?
And even though he doesn't weigh, you know, what he once did, I mean, it's pretty hard to. Because he can't really help you. Yeah, he can't help you. And it's sad. And we get it, us telling y'all. We're so close to it that it's just kind of the new normal.
And even though he doesn't weigh, you know, what he once did, I mean, it's pretty hard to. Because he can't really help you. Yeah, he can't help you. And it's sad. And we get it, us telling y'all. We're so close to it that it's just kind of the new normal.
I'm like, I'm more of a new heaven and new earth. Whatever it's going to be, the place, I just think it's a, whether you want to call it a new earth or a renovated old one, I mean, it's not like that's a problem for him. I mean, he can create man from dirt and all the stars and all just at the snap of his fingers. But anyway, it talks about all that to get to my point. And it says in verse 23,
I'm like, I'm more of a new heaven and new earth. Whatever it's going to be, the place, I just think it's a, whether you want to call it a new earth or a renovated old one, I mean, it's not like that's a problem for him. I mean, he can create man from dirt and all the stars and all just at the snap of his fingers. But anyway, it talks about all that to get to my point. And it says in verse 23,
of Romans 8, not only so, but we ourselves who have the first fruits of the Spirit, we groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons. And then it's a curious phrase because it says the redemption of our bodies. And it's like, even though we're sons now because we have the Spirit, we've surrendered to Jesus,
of Romans 8, not only so, but we ourselves who have the first fruits of the Spirit, we groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons. And then it's a curious phrase because it says the redemption of our bodies. And it's like, even though we're sons now because we have the Spirit, we've surrendered to Jesus,
It's like that's the now not yet kind of picture of what these acts of the whole Bible narrative shows, that at some point we're officially adopted because we now have a body that can't die. But what I find interesting is then he segues and uses the same terminology that So he says, verse 24, for in this hope we were saved.
It's like that's the now not yet kind of picture of what these acts of the whole Bible narrative shows, that at some point we're officially adopted because we now have a body that can't die. But what I find interesting is then he segues and uses the same terminology that So he says, verse 24, for in this hope we were saved.
But hope that is seen is no hope at all because we don't have our new bodies yet. So then it says, in the same way, he makes a transition here, which I think is very important. The Spirit helps us in our weakness. Now that goes to what you said about the Father. Yeah. Back to Romans 5. And watch what he starts talking about. We do not know what we ought to pray for. Right.
But hope that is seen is no hope at all because we don't have our new bodies yet. So then it says, in the same way, he makes a transition here, which I think is very important. The Spirit helps us in our weakness. Now that goes to what you said about the Father. Yeah. Back to Romans 5. And watch what he starts talking about. We do not know what we ought to pray for. Right.
Who hadn't struggled there? All right. I'm not even sure which question to ask. Exactly. But then it says, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us. And this is the phrase I wanted to get when you brought up dad. With groans that words cannot express, we tend to think, well, evidently the Spirit is doing that.
Who hadn't struggled there? All right. I'm not even sure which question to ask. Exactly. But then it says, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us. And this is the phrase I wanted to get when you brought up dad. With groans that words cannot express, we tend to think, well, evidently the Spirit is doing that.
But even in our frailties and sufferings, and my dad sometimes groaning, and you have no idea what he's talking about. Right. you know that the Spirit is working in those moments. Exactly. And so what I really find fascinating is it goes on to 27 and says, "...and he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit because the Spirit intercedes for the saints." in accordance with God's will.
But even in our frailties and sufferings, and my dad sometimes groaning, and you have no idea what he's talking about. Right. you know that the Spirit is working in those moments. Exactly. And so what I really find fascinating is it goes on to 27 and says, "...and he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit because the Spirit intercedes for the saints." in accordance with God's will.
And all of this that I'm reading makes so much sense when you look at the Lord's Prayer, when Jesus said, Our Father, and he prayed that the kingdom of heaven would come on earth as it is in heaven. Well, what's he talking about?
And all of this that I'm reading makes so much sense when you look at the Lord's Prayer, when Jesus said, Our Father, and he prayed that the kingdom of heaven would come on earth as it is in heaven. Well, what's he talking about?
He hadn't even died, been buried and raised, but he was looking forward to this connection that human beings would have as being members of the kingdom, which I find fascinating. It's like the kingdom is all over the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And, you know, Jesus himself in March, like the kingdom is at hand. John the Baptist, the kingdom is at hand.
He hadn't even died, been buried and raised, but he was looking forward to this connection that human beings would have as being members of the kingdom, which I find fascinating. It's like the kingdom is all over the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And, you know, Jesus himself in March, like the kingdom is at hand. John the Baptist, the kingdom is at hand.
And it goes through all these things about the kingdom won't come visibly. You won't look at a place and say, here it is or there it is because the kingdom is within you. And that Mark now one says, uh, the king, uh, some of you will not taste death before you see the kingdom, uh, So it's all this language, but nobody ever says what it is. Right. Have you noticed that?
And it goes through all these things about the kingdom won't come visibly. You won't look at a place and say, here it is or there it is because the kingdom is within you. And that Mark now one says, uh, the king, uh, some of you will not taste death before you see the kingdom, uh, So it's all this language, but nobody ever says what it is. Right. Have you noticed that?
He didn't say, oh, wait a minute, time out. And nobody asked him. It was like, what do you mean by that? Yeah. And so I think the reason is, is this aspect of it is, yeah, I would define the kingdom as where the king is reigning. Yeah. Well, he does it now because he gives you his spirit.
He didn't say, oh, wait a minute, time out. And nobody asked him. It was like, what do you mean by that? Yeah. And so I think the reason is, is this aspect of it is, yeah, I would define the kingdom as where the king is reigning. Yeah. Well, he does it now because he gives you his spirit.
He's reigning at the right hand of God on our behalf, and you see this connection on the planet because human beings now are representing him. But it's also going to happen later, which is what I just read above. I mean, he's the one that made this segue. It's like we've grown inwardly waiting to get our bodies, but we also, well, when is that? That's not yet. But we've grown now.
He's reigning at the right hand of God on our behalf, and you see this connection on the planet because human beings now are representing him. But it's also going to happen later, which is what I just read above. I mean, he's the one that made this segue. It's like we've grown inwardly waiting to get our bodies, but we also, well, when is that? That's not yet. But we've grown now.
Yeah, and he's mostly out of it, but you know there was a five-minute period I was telling... telling you about, that it was really, it felt supernatural because he's been struggling so much.
Yeah, and he's mostly out of it, but you know there was a five-minute period I was telling... telling you about, that it was really, it felt supernatural because he's been struggling so much.
But you still are under that authority of God. And so I think it's a beautiful picture. And from there he launches into what Ephesians does, which I think this is an unusual take, but when you stop and think about it, you realize that God, what's he doing now? Well, one thing we know he's doing, I just read it, but then he says, and we know,
But you still are under that authority of God. And so I think it's a beautiful picture. And from there he launches into what Ephesians does, which I think this is an unusual take, but when you stop and think about it, you realize that God, what's he doing now? Well, one thing we know he's doing, I just read it, but then he says, and we know,
which this is a much debated verse because the Greek is kind of tricky here, but it says, you know, the NIV, if I just read it, it says, and we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him. Well, what do people do? They immediately say, they read this verse when something goes bad. Yeah. This is like the go-to verse.
which this is a much debated verse because the Greek is kind of tricky here, but it says, you know, the NIV, if I just read it, it says, and we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him. Well, what do people do? They immediately say, they read this verse when something goes bad. Yeah. This is like the go-to verse.
But after what I just read about spirit-filled people having trouble, with what to pray for, and they're groaning, and he started this whole section off that I read about us suffering. And so what I think, when you look at what the actual Greek is, and I got this from N.T. Wright, who got it from somebody else, these scholars got together.
But after what I just read about spirit-filled people having trouble, with what to pray for, and they're groaning, and he started this whole section off that I read about us suffering. And so what I think, when you look at what the actual Greek is, and I got this from N.T. Wright, who got it from somebody else, these scholars got together.
He said, the Greek seems to say, well, let me read it like mine says, and then how they translate it. We know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. And the N.T. Wright, he prefaced his thoughts on it by saying, but he just got through saying about him working in us through his Holy Spirit, and they broke down the Greek.
He said, the Greek seems to say, well, let me read it like mine says, and then how they translate it. We know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. And the N.T. Wright, he prefaced his thoughts on it by saying, but he just got through saying about him working in us through his Holy Spirit, and they broke down the Greek.
You can go look this up on your own and see. But he had the Greek reading, and we know that in all things, God works with, for the good, with those who love him. It's some version of that. It's like he's working with you. And people... I think the reason they don't like that translation is because, well, who are you? You're a sinful, you know, good for nothing.
You can go look this up on your own and see. But he had the Greek reading, and we know that in all things, God works with, for the good, with those who love him. It's some version of that. It's like he's working with you. And people... I think the reason they don't like that translation is because, well, who are you? You're a sinful, you know, good for nothing.
But it's in the context that he's giving you his spirit and it's interceding for you with groan that there's this, we're still human beings with our old self wanting to rear its ugly head. And that made a light bulb come on. Kind of like what Paul was praying. Here he was saying, pray for me that I'll share the gospel fearlessly. Right. As an ambassador, you know.
But it's in the context that he's giving you his spirit and it's interceding for you with groan that there's this, we're still human beings with our old self wanting to rear its ugly head. And that made a light bulb come on. Kind of like what Paul was praying. Here he was saying, pray for me that I'll share the gospel fearlessly. Right. As an ambassador, you know.
But he just kind of perked up there, and we had a little five-minute conversation that ended in him sneezing, which for some reason he thought was hilarious, and it became contagious because it was the first time in quite a while that I've seen him smile and laugh. So it was really nice, and you appreciate that. And we're not denying God's providence. I mean, I had preached about Abraham.
But he just kind of perked up there, and we had a little five-minute conversation that ended in him sneezing, which for some reason he thought was hilarious, and it became contagious because it was the first time in quite a while that I've seen him smile and laugh. So it was really nice, and you appreciate that. And we're not denying God's providence. I mean, I had preached about Abraham.
Well, you say, well, was he struggling with that? He's chained to a wall. That's right. You know what I mean? That's right. But look, was God working with him? Yes, God has a job for us today.
Well, you say, well, was he struggling with that? He's chained to a wall. That's right. You know what I mean? That's right. But look, was God working with him? Yes, God has a job for us today.
So think about all the passages where, like Ephesians 2, it talks about salvation by God's grace, and he's given us the gift of Jesus. And then the next thing it says is, for God's got work for you to do. Created before the creation of the world for you to be his workmanship. And so I think that's what this is talking about, because then it says, for those God foreknew, he also predestined.
So think about all the passages where, like Ephesians 2, it talks about salvation by God's grace, and he's given us the gift of Jesus. And then the next thing it says is, for God's got work for you to do. Created before the creation of the world for you to be his workmanship. And so I think that's what this is talking about, because then it says, for those God foreknew, he also predestined.
For why? to be conformed to the likeness of his son. Be Jesus on the earth. You have the spirit. Sure, you're going to suffer. It's like God's plan was for him to make a bunch of mini Jesuses. And so then it makes sense of Ephesians 4.10 and all the times in John, John 14 through 16, where Jesus said, I got to leave. I got to go to the Father. I got to go. You don't understand. I have to leave.
For why? to be conformed to the likeness of his son. Be Jesus on the earth. You have the spirit. Sure, you're going to suffer. It's like God's plan was for him to make a bunch of mini Jesuses. And so then it makes sense of Ephesians 4.10 and all the times in John, John 14 through 16, where Jesus said, I got to leave. I got to go to the Father. I got to go. You don't understand. I have to leave.
I have to leave. And then he's like, but I'm going to give you my spirit. Well, then when you read Ephesians 4.10, it makes sense because it's like he ascended so that he might fill the universe. Because if he stayed here, he's just one guy. What's he going to do? Door knock? Every society?
I have to leave. And then he's like, but I'm going to give you my spirit. Well, then when you read Ephesians 4.10, it makes sense because it's like he ascended so that he might fill the universe. Because if he stayed here, he's just one guy. What's he going to do? Door knock? Every society?
But if he goes to the right hand of God and gives us this access to God, well, he then can pour out his spirit and which can go into multiple human beings and then reach the whole world. Now we're getting back to Matthew 28, where he's like going to the world and make disciples of all nations.
But if he goes to the right hand of God and gives us this access to God, well, he then can pour out his spirit and which can go into multiple human beings and then reach the whole world. Now we're getting back to Matthew 28, where he's like going to the world and make disciples of all nations.
So then it says, for those God foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his son, that he might be the firstborn among the brothers. And those he predestined, he also called. Well, how did he call you? Through the gospel of Jesus. Exactly. Which is the people who I think are confused about this, they don't understand Romans 10. They spend a lot of time in Romans 9.
So then it says, for those God foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his son, that he might be the firstborn among the brothers. And those he predestined, he also called. Well, how did he call you? Through the gospel of Jesus. Exactly. Which is the people who I think are confused about this, they don't understand Romans 10. They spend a lot of time in Romans 9.
Romans 10 says, how can someone hear... Unless they've been called. Unless somebody calls... Faith comes through hearing the message, Romans 10, 17. They're starting to make sense that Jesus is the call. He called you through Jesus. So then... Those he called, he justified, just as you had never sinned. Because when you hear the story of Jesus, you're like, oh, he paid for my sins on a cross.
Romans 10 says, how can someone hear... Unless they've been called. Unless somebody calls... Faith comes through hearing the message, Romans 10, 17. They're starting to make sense that Jesus is the call. He called you through Jesus. So then... Those he called, he justified, just as you had never sinned. Because when you hear the story of Jesus, you're like, oh, he paid for my sins on a cross.
He came back from the dead. That's the first access point. That's it. But then there's more. Then he justified. And those he justified, he also glorified, which I think causes confusion because everybody's like, well, we're not going to be glorified until we get our new body. But he just said, I'm going to give you the new body, but you have the Spirit now. Exactly.
He came back from the dead. That's the first access point. That's it. But then there's more. Then he justified. And those he justified, he also glorified, which I think causes confusion because everybody's like, well, we're not going to be glorified until we get our new body. But he just said, I'm going to give you the new body, but you have the Spirit now. Exactly.
Sarah having a kid when they were 190. So anything God wants to do, we're ready. But, you know, you actually just live in a world where you're seeing what's happening. And it's just, he's just not doing real well. I just think he's, you know, getting ready for the journey to the other side. But we're convinced that we're all going to be, I mean, God's promise is forever.
Sarah having a kid when they were 190. So anything God wants to do, we're ready. But, you know, you actually just live in a world where you're seeing what's happening. And it's just, he's just not doing real well. I just think he's, you know, getting ready for the journey to the other side. But we're convinced that we're all going to be, I mean, God's promise is forever.
So now you have to argue, if you don't even entertain what I'm saying, is that some glorification didn't happen to you when God entered your body via the Holy Spirit. I would call that glory. Yeah, exactly. They're like, why are you so excited? Why are you singing praises? Because I have the Spirit. I've been glorified.
So now you have to argue, if you don't even entertain what I'm saying, is that some glorification didn't happen to you when God entered your body via the Holy Spirit. I would call that glory. Yeah, exactly. They're like, why are you so excited? Why are you singing praises? Because I have the Spirit. I've been glorified.
It was all there. And I wasn't prepared to go through my new take on Romans 8, but since Zach left, I thought, well, wait on John. And I've been itching to do this, and I'm doing it off the top of my head. And look, go study it for yourself. But where this goes from here, it makes more sense. Because then he says in 31, look, we're back to the beginning.
It was all there. And I wasn't prepared to go through my new take on Romans 8, but since Zach left, I thought, well, wait on John. And I've been itching to do this, and I'm doing it off the top of my head. And look, go study it for yourself. But where this goes from here, it makes more sense. Because then he says in 31, look, we're back to the beginning.
God, the Father's role, it says, what then shall we say in response to this? I'm just going to stop because he's like, how do you respond to this? Of all the things that he could say, and there's so many arguments about what this means, watch what he says. You know how do you respond? If God is for us, who can be against us? Which is my whole point of saying this all started with God
God, the Father's role, it says, what then shall we say in response to this? I'm just going to stop because he's like, how do you respond to this? Of all the things that he could say, and there's so many arguments about what this means, watch what he says. You know how do you respond? If God is for us, who can be against us? Which is my whole point of saying this all started with God
God's love saying, I want a family. And here's how it's going to start. And so he sent Jesus to rescue that family. Sends his spirit. to ensure that you can live forever and have this help along the way.
God's love saying, I want a family. And here's how it's going to start. And so he sent Jesus to rescue that family. Sends his spirit. to ensure that you can live forever and have this help along the way.
Well, then he says that, because look, then in verse 32, it says, he who did not spare his own son. I mean, it's not he who didn't spare his son. He gave his son up, which is something I could not do. I just, we got to find another way. I'm not doing that. Either one of my sons. I'm like, that's not for sale.
Well, then he says that, because look, then in verse 32, it says, he who did not spare his own son. I mean, it's not he who didn't spare his son. He gave his son up, which is something I could not do. I just, we got to find another way. I'm not doing that. Either one of my sons. I'm like, that's not for sale.
But God who didn't spare his own son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also along with him graciously give us all things? Why does he keep saying give? Give. Because that's where the love. Giving is an act of love. Yeah. And he gave us a son. Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? And you're like, well, where's he chosen us? In the giving of his son. Yes.
But God who didn't spare his own son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also along with him graciously give us all things? Why does he keep saying give? Give. Because that's where the love. Giving is an act of love. Yeah. And he gave us a son. Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? And you're like, well, where's he chosen us? In the giving of his son. Yes.
It is God who justifies. Who is it that condemns? Christ Jesus who died. More than that, who was raised to life, is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. So who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? Well, I got a question. When is all that happening? That's happening now while we have the Spirit.
It is God who justifies. Who is it that condemns? Christ Jesus who died. More than that, who was raised to life, is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. So who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? Well, I got a question. When is all that happening? That's happening now while we have the Spirit.
But God is working with us. For the good. As it is written, for your sake we face death all day long. We are considered to be sheep to be slaughtered. And then I love this verse. Knowing all things, we are more than conquerors, more than conquerors through him who loved us.
But God is working with us. For the good. As it is written, for your sake we face death all day long. We are considered to be sheep to be slaughtered. And then I love this verse. Knowing all things, we are more than conquerors, more than conquerors through him who loved us.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
It is. And look, and take slow, you know, take this slow. Go study it on and on. But I will guarantee you this. Once you see it, it's hard to unsee it. And look, it'll make you get up out of your chair or off your couch and run through a wall for the Almighty. You do what Paul says. You're like, I need to do some ambassador work.
It is. And look, and take slow, you know, take this slow. Go study it on and on. But I will guarantee you this. Once you see it, it's hard to unsee it. And look, it'll make you get up out of your chair or off your couch and run through a wall for the Almighty. You do what Paul says. You're like, I need to do some ambassador work.
I was oblivious that y'all were watching me in my vulnerable state. I was on this carpet trying to get my back to stop hurting. But there was a song in my head, which is why that I was oblivious to y'all's presence. And do you want to know what song it was? Of course. I can't drive 55. So that's my age if you don't get the connection because my back is hurting, so I got a wobbly wheel.
I was oblivious that y'all were watching me in my vulnerable state. I was on this carpet trying to get my back to stop hurting. But there was a song in my head, which is why that I was oblivious to y'all's presence. And do you want to know what song it was? Of course. I can't drive 55. So that's my age if you don't get the connection because my back is hurting, so I got a wobbly wheel.
That was my humor part of the sermon.
That was my humor part of the sermon.
And I was a young man, but I thought, Well, man, you took out the best part.
And I was a young man, but I thought, Well, man, you took out the best part.
It was one of the more angrier moments of our childhood, which, and my point was, I had justified that by thinking that, Well, you didn't rip down Al's Wonder Woman poster because the bumper sticker. She would have just marked out idiots and put in something. And this happened years later. But I went back to that thinking, well, you set the precedent. I mean, is he your favorite, you know?
It was one of the more angrier moments of our childhood, which, and my point was, I had justified that by thinking that, Well, you didn't rip down Al's Wonder Woman poster because the bumper sticker. She would have just marked out idiots and put in something. And this happened years later. But I went back to that thinking, well, you set the precedent. I mean, is he your favorite, you know?
And she's like, of course. Because she was so angry about that, which now I understand it. And I made the point in the sermon, which is, you know, we're a family, and I'm trying to teach you how to be respectful.
And she's like, of course. Because she was so angry about that, which now I understand it. And I made the point in the sermon, which is, you know, we're a family, and I'm trying to teach you how to be respectful.
To finish my thought earlier, so I was going to tell a story at the end, Al. You're a sermon prep guy. Yep. Oh, and it was very, it kind of tickled the emotional, because it's Mother's Day, and I did this whole sermon about family, so I had this as the closing story. Really? You bumped it? I bumped it because when I saw it,
To finish my thought earlier, so I was going to tell a story at the end, Al. You're a sermon prep guy. Yep. Oh, and it was very, it kind of tickled the emotional, because it's Mother's Day, and I did this whole sermon about family, so I had this as the closing story. Really? You bumped it? I bumped it because when I saw it,
I got a little – you know how you feel like – Oh, you get the little lump in there. I said, nope, I don't have time for this. You know, I just couldn't do it because I thought, I've gone 32 minutes, and not that this was – it's only a minute story, but I thought, based on everything I just said, because you know how it is. This is – I mean, I'm up there for the Lord God above.
I got a little – you know how you feel like – Oh, you get the little lump in there. I said, nope, I don't have time for this. You know, I just couldn't do it because I thought, I've gone 32 minutes, and not that this was – it's only a minute story, but I thought, based on everything I just said, because you know how it is. This is – I mean, I'm up there for the Lord God above.
That's who I'm representing. And I have to tell myself that because at heart, somebody sent me an interesting message on my phone because they know my background that I was shy. And this is not, it was actually Robert Ables. Yeah. And this is all of the Spirit of the Lord. So I have to tell myself constantly, but I say it in my own personal space to God.
That's who I'm representing. And I have to tell myself that because at heart, somebody sent me an interesting message on my phone because they know my background that I was shy. And this is not, it was actually Robert Ables. Yeah. And this is all of the Spirit of the Lord. So I have to tell myself constantly, but I say it in my own personal space to God.
In fact, when I walked out from the sermon, I actually said, I probably shouldn't have said this. Well, I realize how this looks. I'm talking to myself walking across the parking lot, but I was talking to the Lord God Almighty. I was like, I shouldn't have said that, Lord. I'm sorry. Because one time I said something, and I said, that might be controversial.
In fact, when I walked out from the sermon, I actually said, I probably shouldn't have said this. Well, I realize how this looks. I'm talking to myself walking across the parking lot, but I was talking to the Lord God Almighty. I was like, I shouldn't have said that, Lord. I'm sorry. Because one time I said something, and I said, that might be controversial.
And I got to thinking about that when I walked out. I thought, well, why would I say that? Sometimes something, because it was biblical what I said. And when you draw attention to it.
And I got to thinking about that when I walked out. I thought, well, why would I say that? Sometimes something, because it was biblical what I said. And when you draw attention to it.
Yeah, by saying that. And I thought, you know, I shouldn't have said that. Lord, it's your truth. And I was speaking to the Lord. What's funny is there was a guy looking at me because I had just spoken. And I know he was thinking, this guy will come out talking to himself after that. He probably said he's just like his Uncle Si. That's what he said. I was talking to the Lord, sir.
Yeah, by saying that. And I thought, you know, I shouldn't have said that. Lord, it's your truth. And I was speaking to the Lord. What's funny is there was a guy looking at me because I had just spoken. And I know he was thinking, this guy will come out talking to himself after that. He probably said he's just like his Uncle Si. That's what he said. I was talking to the Lord, sir.
And I would say, oh, there's some story behind it. Nope. Sitting on a couch or a swing preparing for a lesson.
And I would say, oh, there's some story behind it. Nope. Sitting on a couch or a swing preparing for a lesson.
Anyway, the story I was going to tell about a week ago, and I think I can do it in this setting without being emotional, but I had all that Holy Spirit running through me and energy and talking about family. And I told the bad, you know, like every family has the good, bad, and the ugly.
Anyway, the story I was going to tell about a week ago, and I think I can do it in this setting without being emotional, but I had all that Holy Spirit running through me and energy and talking about family. And I told the bad, you know, like every family has the good, bad, and the ugly.
But about a week ago, you know, I walked into where my parents are, and there's a little common area, and then they have their own little living area, and then they have their rooms, which they turn one of their rooms into a living room. I mean, look, they're doing pretty good. I mean, Kay says that. She's like, it's so awesome that they built this place for us. Yeah.
But about a week ago, you know, I walked into where my parents are, and there's a little common area, and then they have their own little living area, and then they have their rooms, which they turn one of their rooms into a living room. I mean, look, they're doing pretty good. I mean, Kay says that. She's like, it's so awesome that they built this place for us. Yeah.
That's really good. So anyway, I walked in and she said, hurry, come with me. I got to show you something. And I was, now look, when my parents' mental condition and how old they are, When they say, come here, I want to show you something, that can be dangerous. And so I was nervous. Of course, she couldn't move. I was like, well, let me get you a wheelchair.
That's really good. So anyway, I walked in and she said, hurry, come with me. I got to show you something. And I was, now look, when my parents' mental condition and how old they are, When they say, come here, I want to show you something, that can be dangerous. And so I was nervous. Of course, she couldn't move. I was like, well, let me get you a wheelchair.
And so I wheeled her down and we go into their little personal living quarter. And I was nervous about it because I thought, what is she fixed to show me? And so she said, stop right here. And so she was looking out the window, and I thought, oh, she's going to show me something outside. So I'm looking. She said, now you see that little rose, these little rose bushes? She called them rose bushes.
And so I wheeled her down and we go into their little personal living quarter. And I was nervous about it because I thought, what is she fixed to show me? And so she said, stop right here. And so she was looking out the window, and I thought, oh, she's going to show me something outside. So I'm looking. She said, now you see that little rose, these little rose bushes? She called them rose bushes.
It just looked like a bowl. Stuffed flowers, yeah. That one of her – we have a group called the Kingdom Moms, and they visit them every night. I think there's 14 women. Mm-hmm. And cook a meal, and we do a lot of our visiting with those people. And there are 14 women that my mom had tremendous influence on.
It just looked like a bowl. Stuffed flowers, yeah. That one of her – we have a group called the Kingdom Moms, and they visit them every night. I think there's 14 women. Mm-hmm. And cook a meal, and we do a lot of our visiting with those people. And there are 14 women that my mom had tremendous influence on.
Yeah, and they're fantastic. Yeah. One of them had made this little flower arrangement that's right outside the window. My mom told me yesterday she bought it at Walmart a week ago. So she said, just wait for it. I'm not kidding. When she said, wait for it, this bird with a spider in its beak descended on the little bowl of flowers. It was like...
Yeah, and they're fantastic. Yeah. One of them had made this little flower arrangement that's right outside the window. My mom told me yesterday she bought it at Walmart a week ago. So she said, just wait for it. I'm not kidding. When she said, wait for it, this bird with a spider in its beak descended on the little bowl of flowers. It was like...
It got the memo that she was fixed to show me, and it was like, cue the bird. Bird comes. She said, she's feeding her babies. And so the bird went down, and we couldn't see the babies under all the brush, but it disappeared. Well, then it popped back out and then took off again. And she's like, she'll be right back. Well, the bird flew 100 yards and lit on the fence that divides the property.
It got the memo that she was fixed to show me, and it was like, cue the bird. Bird comes. She said, she's feeding her babies. And so the bird went down, and we couldn't see the babies under all the brush, but it disappeared. Well, then it popped back out and then took off again. And she's like, she'll be right back. Well, the bird flew 100 yards and lit on the fence that divides the property.
And I was thinking to myself, that bird ain't coming back anytime soon. It wasn't. It kind of disappeared on the other side, like fluttered down. It wasn't 10 seconds. She's like, there he is. Or she said, there he is. But I said, there she is. She's like, well, you know what I meant. And it had a cricket in its mouth. I thought, what a hunter this thing is. I mean, it's just like, you want food?
And I was thinking to myself, that bird ain't coming back anytime soon. It wasn't. It kind of disappeared on the other side, like fluttered down. It wasn't 10 seconds. She's like, there he is. Or she said, there he is. But I said, there she is. She's like, well, you know what I meant. And it had a cricket in its mouth. I thought, what a hunter this thing is. I mean, it's just like, you want food?
Out of my way. And she said, so that ought to bring back some memories. But it kind of touched me in the moment because I thought... She was that mama bird that fed you. Yeah, she had this... Don't forget where your food came from, son. Yeah, she had this illustration in her mind.
Out of my way. And she said, so that ought to bring back some memories. But it kind of touched me in the moment because I thought... She was that mama bird that fed you. Yeah, she had this... Don't forget where your food came from, son. Yeah, she had this illustration in her mind.
She had obviously been thinking about it because as soon as I walked in, she was like, come here, I need to show you something. And then it just queued up on cue in time and... I thought, I actually think that that was a very God-led encounter that I just watched.
She had obviously been thinking about it because as soon as I walked in, she was like, come here, I need to show you something. And then it just queued up on cue in time and... I thought, I actually think that that was a very God-led encounter that I just watched.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. You know, Zach, recently, Jay, Zach, we told him we needed some high profile guests and some big names on the podcast. And he's been doing a good job. He's been finding some amazing people for us to have conversations with. But he has outdone himself today.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. You know, Zach, recently, Jay, Zach, we told him we needed some high profile guests and some big names on the podcast. And he's been doing a good job. He's been finding some amazing people for us to have conversations with. But he has outdone himself today.
So, Jace, what would you say is probably, what is the biggest inspiration that has come to you from persecuted Christians, whether it was our forefathers way back in the biblical days or even what's going on today?
So, Jace, what would you say is probably, what is the biggest inspiration that has come to you from persecuted Christians, whether it was our forefathers way back in the biblical days or even what's going on today?
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Oh, so just just hearing that it took me back to my childhood. I mean, it's like everybody has this traumatic place that you go to. And for me, it's those smells that you're describing, because when growing up with fish guts and hauling stuff off to the river and. smelly cheese they were putting in dad's socks. And just I mean, it was just how much more disgusting could a childhood be?
Oh, so just just hearing that it took me back to my childhood. I mean, it's like everybody has this traumatic place that you go to. And for me, it's those smells that you're describing, because when growing up with fish guts and hauling stuff off to the river and. smelly cheese they were putting in dad's socks. And just I mean, it was just how much more disgusting could a childhood be?
And so just hearing that, just like I just kind of had post-traumatic stress disorder when it comes to smelly fish and smelly things. So that's that takes me back as well. So if I'm not mistaken, Mia, the last time you were on the podcast, you guys had just completed a Mia Moo yearly gathering where people come in from all over the country.
And so just hearing that, just like I just kind of had post-traumatic stress disorder when it comes to smelly fish and smelly things. So that's that takes me back as well. So if I'm not mistaken, Mia, the last time you were on the podcast, you guys had just completed a Mia Moo yearly gathering where people come in from all over the country.
And these are folks that you guys help and that make possible for them to have some of the blessings that you had, which is an amazing ministry. And so... Tell the folks how that's going. I know it's a yearly thing that you guys do all the time, as well as I think you're doing a newsletter now and just a lot of regular interaction. So give us a little Mia Moo update.
And these are folks that you guys help and that make possible for them to have some of the blessings that you had, which is an amazing ministry. And so... Tell the folks how that's going. I know it's a yearly thing that you guys do all the time, as well as I think you're doing a newsletter now and just a lot of regular interaction. So give us a little Mia Moo update.
So Mia, you know, our perspective of sort of your childhood and really your whole life, as it turns out, is one kind of being on the outside and, you know, knowing that you're going to the hospital, you know, many times different ones of us in the family were there and we're in the waiting room and kind of handholding with your folks and, you know, just praying for you and stuff like that.
So Mia, you know, our perspective of sort of your childhood and really your whole life, as it turns out, is one kind of being on the outside and, you know, knowing that you're going to the hospital, you know, many times different ones of us in the family were there and we're in the waiting room and kind of handholding with your folks and, you know, just praying for you and stuff like that.
And then seeing you after it was over and So our whole perspective of that is now the era of who you are. But I'm really curious what it was like from your perspective. How many surgeries have you had? I've had 16. So that's like, and you're 21 years old. So that's like 16 out of 21 years, you know, you were in some sort of major surgery. which is most of your life.
And then seeing you after it was over and So our whole perspective of that is now the era of who you are. But I'm really curious what it was like from your perspective. How many surgeries have you had? I've had 16. So that's like, and you're 21 years old. So that's like 16 out of 21 years, you know, you were in some sort of major surgery. which is most of your life.
And so all of us can't imagine what that was like for you. And so I'm really interested. I don't know if I've ever asked you this off camera on what that was like to grow up, to have doctors and nurses and doctors, Check ups and follow ups and going in for, you know, pre-surgery and all the things that you've done your whole life. So what was that like?
And so all of us can't imagine what that was like for you. And so I'm really interested. I don't know if I've ever asked you this off camera on what that was like to grow up, to have doctors and nurses and doctors, Check ups and follow ups and going in for, you know, pre-surgery and all the things that you've done your whole life. So what was that like?
Was it did you something you just got used to or, you know, you know, how how did you get through it? And then also, how has it shaped you into the person you are today?
Was it did you something you just got used to or, you know, you know, how how did you get through it? And then also, how has it shaped you into the person you are today?
The minute you said mattress at a camp, I knew exactly where you were going with this.
The minute you said mattress at a camp, I knew exactly where you were going with this.
So, Mia, I've never thought about what you just said before. It struck me as such a huge thought, is that you have spent so much of your life waiting for to be healed. I mean, in other words, you have this procedure and then it's like weeks or months or whatever they're telling you.
So, Mia, I've never thought about what you just said before. It struck me as such a huge thought, is that you have spent so much of your life waiting for to be healed. I mean, in other words, you have this procedure and then it's like weeks or months or whatever they're telling you.
And you've got to patiently wait for that to happen, to go back to eat again, to be able to have a conversation again. So most of your life, in essence, has been spent waiting on something, waiting on follow up, waiting on the next surgery, waiting on, you know, I mean, I look at my own life. I've had one major surgery, one when I was a kid, but I don't even remember because I was very,
And you've got to patiently wait for that to happen, to go back to eat again, to be able to have a conversation again. So most of your life, in essence, has been spent waiting on something, waiting on follow up, waiting on the next surgery, waiting on, you know, I mean, I look at my own life. I've had one major surgery, one when I was a kid, but I don't even remember because I was very,
very young, but only one that I can recall. And I only had, you know, a couple of weeks to get over that. So I, you know, being an impatient person myself, I haven't had to wait that much. I mean, what's that like to, to spend most of your life waiting?
very young, but only one that I can recall. And I only had, you know, a couple of weeks to get over that. So I, you know, being an impatient person myself, I haven't had to wait that much. I mean, what's that like to, to spend most of your life waiting?
Oh, Mia, that hurts. I mean, I just turned 60 years old and you're talking about 22 being old. That was way in the rearview mirror for me.
Oh, Mia, that hurts. I mean, I just turned 60 years old and you're talking about 22 being old. That was way in the rearview mirror for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. So Mia, you were talking about that. The idea of is not a major surgery, you know, and that's easy to say when it's somebody else. It reminds me, Zach, when you and I met for the first time, we met Dr. Ben Carson and we were in a setting and he was telling a story about how that the first time he was going in to be the HUD secretary.
Yeah. So Mia, you were talking about that. The idea of is not a major surgery, you know, and that's easy to say when it's somebody else. It reminds me, Zach, when you and I met for the first time, we met Dr. Ben Carson and we were in a setting and he was telling a story about how that the first time he was going in to be the HUD secretary.
Someone said, well, Dr. Carson, I mean, aren't you intimidated by this huge responsibility? And you've got millions of employees and HUD and all this stuff. And he looked at us and he winked, got in. He said, well, it's not brain surgery. And it was such a good line because it was like, are you kidding me? I mean, having to go through this. And Mia, that's what makes me think of with you.
Someone said, well, Dr. Carson, I mean, aren't you intimidated by this huge responsibility? And you've got millions of employees and HUD and all this stuff. And he looked at us and he winked, got in. He said, well, it's not brain surgery. And it was such a good line because it was like, are you kidding me? I mean, having to go through this. And Mia, that's what makes me think of with you.
When somebody says, well, it's not something major. And you're just like, yeah, well, you know, neither is waiting six weeks on a cheeseburger. But, you know, at the same time, it's what you learn to go through.
When somebody says, well, it's not something major. And you're just like, yeah, well, you know, neither is waiting six weeks on a cheeseburger. But, you know, at the same time, it's what you learn to go through.
Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.
Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.
I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.
I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.
I do the same thing. It's not hard for me to understand who the top storyteller is in that house. I mean, Unashamed Nation can speak to this. Mia, there's no doubt your dad has this – unique. We always say it's because he's named after Cy, but he's got this ability to tell any story and to tell it in an elongated fashion where it's the worst possible thing that happened.
I do the same thing. It's not hard for me to understand who the top storyteller is in that house. I mean, Unashamed Nation can speak to this. Mia, there's no doubt your dad has this – unique. We always say it's because he's named after Cy, but he's got this ability to tell any story and to tell it in an elongated fashion where it's the worst possible thing that happened.
And trust me, Mia, you are a chip off the old block. You're the continuation of the Jay stories that have no end, but that we love.
And trust me, Mia, you are a chip off the old block. You're the continuation of the Jay stories that have no end, but that we love.
He has reached deep into the archives to bring out what I consider to be one of our favorite and best guests. And that would be Mia Robertson, your daughter, Jay. So, Mia, welcome to Unashamed. So Mia, if I'm not mistaken, you've been on the show once before. Is that right?
He has reached deep into the archives to bring out what I consider to be one of our favorite and best guests. And that would be Mia Robertson, your daughter, Jay. So, Mia, welcome to Unashamed. So Mia, if I'm not mistaken, you've been on the show once before. Is that right?
So Mia, I got a question for you. You know that your dad, that Zach, that myself, we all have spent different points in our lives doing full-time ministry, working for the church in some fashion. Of course, I was the one that hung in there the longest because I'm the most patient out of us three. But And so we all had to have a background, work for the church and ministry.
So Mia, I got a question for you. You know that your dad, that Zach, that myself, we all have spent different points in our lives doing full-time ministry, working for the church in some fashion. Of course, I was the one that hung in there the longest because I'm the most patient out of us three. But And so we all had to have a background, work for the church and ministry.
And you now have also had that experience. And did you intern? Was it last summer or when was it?
And you now have also had that experience. And did you intern? Was it last summer or when was it?
Oh, so you still are. Yeah, I got it. I got it. I got it. So tell me what that's like. What do you do for the church? I mean, what's your interaction? What's your job consist of?
Oh, so you still are. Yeah, I got it. I got it. I got it. So tell me what that's like. What do you do for the church? I mean, what's your interaction? What's your job consist of?
And when you think about it, really, I mean, Mia mentioned this earlier. Every time she had a surgery— in a sense, from a physical perspective, her identity changed because she looked differently. And that would matter to anybody, but in my opinion, it matters more to young girls and young women.
And when you think about it, really, I mean, Mia mentioned this earlier. Every time she had a surgery— in a sense, from a physical perspective, her identity changed because she looked differently. And that would matter to anybody, but in my opinion, it matters more to young girls and young women.
And so the fact that not only did that not derail you, but also helped you to understand to help other people shows me that your identity in Christ is really the main thing. And so Mia, you seem to have learned that over the course of a lifetime, and now you're able to help other people find that identity. So what a blessing. And what a blessing for us that we got to hear these stories today.
And so the fact that not only did that not derail you, but also helped you to understand to help other people shows me that your identity in Christ is really the main thing. And so Mia, you seem to have learned that over the course of a lifetime, and now you're able to help other people find that identity. So what a blessing. And what a blessing for us that we got to hear these stories today.
Zach, once again, you've outdone yourself bringing on such an amazing guest. And Mia, I just want you to know that anytime you're in town for spring break, for summer breaks, for whatever, you have a warm chair. that is open to you on the Unashamed podcast. We sure are glad to have you on.
Zach, once again, you've outdone yourself bringing on such an amazing guest. And Mia, I just want you to know that anytime you're in town for spring break, for summer breaks, for whatever, you have a warm chair. that is open to you on the Unashamed podcast. We sure are glad to have you on.
Awesome. Well, you're welcome back anytime. That wraps it up for us. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.
Awesome. Well, you're welcome back anytime. That wraps it up for us. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.
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Yeah. So I remember the way that got set up for your last appearance on Unashamed. I was down at my mailbox and you and your mom were driving by and you just had like a major surgery. And we've been praying for you and we've been talking about you a lot on Unashamed. It was like maybe a couple of weeks after Unashamed.
Yeah. So I remember the way that got set up for your last appearance on Unashamed. I was down at my mailbox and you and your mom were driving by and you just had like a major surgery. And we've been praying for you and we've been talking about you a lot on Unashamed. It was like maybe a couple of weeks after Unashamed.
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And so you're in the car and I come over to ask how you're doing and you're there. And so somehow it came up about you being on the podcast at some point to tell us about your experiences. And so I was like, would you like to be on the podcast? And you said, yeah, I'd like to do that. Well, what about tomorrow? Yeah. And I was like, tomorrow? Okay, yeah, sure. You're always welcome.
And so you're in the car and I come over to ask how you're doing and you're there. And so somehow it came up about you being on the podcast at some point to tell us about your experiences. And so I was like, would you like to be on the podcast? And you said, yeah, I'd like to do that. Well, what about tomorrow? Yeah. And I was like, tomorrow? Okay, yeah, sure. You're always welcome.
And so you came on and you were still like, you know, had stuff in your mouth. They were struggling, you know, with all of that. And yet you were precious and amazing. And Unashamed Nation loves you. So welcome back for the second time.
And so you came on and you were still like, you know, had stuff in your mouth. They were struggling, you know, with all of that. And yet you were precious and amazing. And Unashamed Nation loves you. So welcome back for the second time.
I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. We've been doing some marriage counseling.
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Well, they also, I'll tell you another thing that happens is there's like letters. People just put out letters and half the time, I don't know what that they are. And sometimes they're not good. When you find out, you're like, Oh, I wish I didn't know that. But, yeah, now it's like this, what do you call it, shorthand, I guess, language because of texting.
Well, they also, I'll tell you another thing that happens is there's like letters. People just put out letters and half the time, I don't know what that they are. And sometimes they're not good. When you find out, you're like, Oh, I wish I didn't know that. But, yeah, now it's like this, what do you call it, shorthand, I guess, language because of texting.
I guess it makes sense, though, that every time you get a new venue to communicate, you're going to have to learn a whole new language. Is that right, Zach? I mean, is that what we're describing here?
I guess it makes sense, though, that every time you get a new venue to communicate, you're going to have to learn a whole new language. Is that right, Zach? I mean, is that what we're describing here?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, because you're exactly right. Truth is still truth spread across whatever different way we find it communicated. And so no matter what you plug into it across time, that's the beautiful thing about the Bible. We were talking about spiritual warfare recently. Yeah. And the idea is, is that truth is going to always stand for what's right because God is always right.
No, because you're exactly right. Truth is still truth spread across whatever different way we find it communicated. And so no matter what you plug into it across time, that's the beautiful thing about the Bible. We were talking about spiritual warfare recently. Yeah. And the idea is, is that truth is going to always stand for what's right because God is always right.
I mean, the two inalienable things about God, he never lies and he always is. And so you can always depend on his faithfulness, which imagine from Jesus's perspective, Jase, that here he is talking to his people that he freed from Egypt because he's always been. And yet they have no idea what he's talking about.
I mean, the two inalienable things about God, he never lies and he always is. And so you can always depend on his faithfulness, which imagine from Jesus's perspective, Jase, that here he is talking to his people that he freed from Egypt because he's always been. And yet they have no idea what he's talking about.
Yeah, we've been in John for a while, yeah.
Yeah, we've been in John for a while, yeah.
Yeah. How's this going to look over the long haul?
Yeah. How's this going to look over the long haul?
You know, Zach, what I love about Abide, what it's meant to me, we prepare for these podcasts, and I spend a lot of time in the Word of God, but usually it's what, you know, I have the stress of how are we going to share this in a way where people get it. What I love about Abide for me is I get to start the day with something that just speaks to my heart.
You know, Zach, what I love about Abide, what it's meant to me, we prepare for these podcasts, and I spend a lot of time in the Word of God, but usually it's what, you know, I have the stress of how are we going to share this in a way where people get it. What I love about Abide for me is I get to start the day with something that just speaks to my heart.
It's not something I'm necessarily going to share with other people. It's just a way for God's word to influence me first thing when I get the day started. It's been a great blessing.
It's not something I'm necessarily going to share with other people. It's just a way for God's word to influence me first thing when I get the day started. It's been a great blessing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Willie and Corey met at camp, like on the Moonlight Hike.
And Willie and Corey met at camp, like on the Moonlight Hike.
She did when I was nine years old.
She did when I was nine years old.
Yeah, including my four grandchildren were there and loved it, too.
Yeah, including my four grandchildren were there and loved it, too.
That was a frequent flyer award.
That was a frequent flyer award.
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Yeah. And Jace, you and Missy have Helix as well. We're one big Helix family. Lisa and I, when we took the quiz, we're moonlight. Uh, we're not side sleepers. We're back sleepers. And we like it just a little bit more, uh, in the middle. So there's, it fits you. It fits your lifestyle. It fits where you sleep best. And look, wherever you go, you want to be able to sleep on these mattresses.
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No, that's really good, Zach. And that's, you know, speaking of overviews, Zach just did the whole Bible. I've only asked you to do Ephesians. He just did the whole Bible. But, you know, it's funny, Jace, because when you laid out those three questions, immediately I was thinking about my big outline for the book of Ephesians when we were preaching through it.
No, that's really good, Zach. And that's, you know, speaking of overviews, Zach just did the whole Bible. I've only asked you to do Ephesians. He just did the whole Bible. But, you know, it's funny, Jace, because when you laid out those three questions, immediately I was thinking about my big outline for the book of Ephesians when we were preaching through it.
And it so goes in line with those three questions you were asking of that audience. And I love the tie-in to Acts 17. And my outline was declared intentions was the first one. In other words... That whole thing you read earlier of Jesus declaring Paul making these declarations that he was who he said he was. It's the same thing we do.
And it so goes in line with those three questions you were asking of that audience. And I love the tie-in to Acts 17. And my outline was declared intentions was the first one. In other words... That whole thing you read earlier of Jesus declaring Paul making these declarations that he was who he said he was. It's the same thing we do.
And that's how we get the Holy Spirit, because we declare our intentions. We're all in on Jesus. And that's the first couple of books. I mean, a couple of chapters in Ephesians. And then you get to those middle chapters. And that's our determined integrity. That's the second role in this. And that is what we do with that. And how we live.
And that's how we get the Holy Spirit, because we declare our intentions. We're all in on Jesus. And that's the first couple of books. I mean, a couple of chapters in Ephesians. And then you get to those middle chapters. And that's our determined integrity. That's the second role in this. And that is what we do with that. And how we live.
And so you see all these passages of Ephesians about what we how we live, how we act, how we react to other people. What does it look like in our marriage? What does it look like in our family? What does it look like in our work environment? All those are reflections, right? Because that's the integrity that comes about by having the Holy Spirit.
And so you see all these passages of Ephesians about what we how we live, how we act, how we react to other people. What does it look like in our marriage? What does it look like in our family? What does it look like in our work environment? All those are reflections, right? Because that's the integrity that comes about by having the Holy Spirit.
And then you get into the last bit of Ephesians 6, and that's the third point, which is to your question about, you know, is that where are we headed? It's displaying the image of Christ. In other words, we should look like, and that's what he says, be imitators of Christ. The more we live for him, the more we've declared that this is who we are, the more we should be image bearers of Jesus.
And then you get into the last bit of Ephesians 6, and that's the third point, which is to your question about, you know, is that where are we headed? It's displaying the image of Christ. In other words, we should look like, and that's what he says, be imitators of Christ. The more we live for him, the more we've declared that this is who we are, the more we should be image bearers of Jesus.
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Isn't that exactly what Jace was describing was happening in Acts 17 by the people that were living there in Athens? They had all these other gods and they thought that was the pathway and all their philosophies and all their wisdoms and all the things they had. When he said, right in the midst of it all, you've got the answer, the unknown God. And then he described to them who he was.
Isn't that exactly what Jace was describing was happening in Acts 17 by the people that were living there in Athens? They had all these other gods and they thought that was the pathway and all their philosophies and all their wisdoms and all the things they had. When he said, right in the midst of it all, you've got the answer, the unknown God. And then he described to them who he was.
It's not you.
It's not you.
So we're out of time, but here's the deal, Jase. When somebody says, where were you born? You say, oh, that's not important. Let me tell you when I was born again.
So we're out of time, but here's the deal, Jase. When somebody says, where were you born? You say, oh, that's not important. Let me tell you when I was born again.
I think that's so good. And next time we get back in the late part of John 7, John 8, we'll pick it up from there. So we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube
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Well, Jill, the same reason I like to have Jill on the podcast and Missy as well is because both of them are strong women, strong godly women. But they don't have any qualms in taking both of you on, which I personally love to see that twisting because we spend a lot of time together. And you guys are both self-assured in where you are.
Well, Jill, the same reason I like to have Jill on the podcast and Missy as well is because both of them are strong women, strong godly women. But they don't have any qualms in taking both of you on, which I personally love to see that twisting because we spend a lot of time together. And you guys are both self-assured in where you are.
But then when your wives come in, all of a sudden they're really putting you to the test. Yeah. Well, look, and you talk about passion. I mean, Zach, it's actually a good word because I've mentioned this before. I think it was Joe Beam talking about marriage when he had these three circles that overlap. And in one circle, you had intimacy.
But then when your wives come in, all of a sudden they're really putting you to the test. Yeah. Well, look, and you talk about passion. I mean, Zach, it's actually a good word because I've mentioned this before. I think it was Joe Beam talking about marriage when he had these three circles that overlap. And in one circle, you had intimacy.
which includes passion, you know, for a married couple, but it overlaps with conflict. So there's this little space where those two circles overlap. And a lot of times we go there because we don't always agree. And we are trying to, you know, do the jockeying, trying to figure out on any particular issue, you know, who's right, who's wrong, you know, and you balance those things.
which includes passion, you know, for a married couple, but it overlaps with conflict. So there's this little space where those two circles overlap. And a lot of times we go there because we don't always agree. And we are trying to, you know, do the jockeying, trying to figure out on any particular issue, you know, who's right, who's wrong, you know, and you balance those things.
But the third circle you had over here to the farther right, which also overlaps conflict, was withdrawal, right? And when a couple gets there, then they don't care anymore. And that's a terrible place to wind up because when you're in withdrawal, you sometimes will venture into a little bit of conflict, but you're more comfortable not having intimacy.
But the third circle you had over here to the farther right, which also overlaps conflict, was withdrawal, right? And when a couple gets there, then they don't care anymore. And that's a terrible place to wind up because when you're in withdrawal, you sometimes will venture into a little bit of conflict, but you're more comfortable not having intimacy.
And so he always used to say, when you get in withdrawal, to get back to intimacy, you have to go through conflict. And so I think there's a lot of truth in that. But it also, I mean, we love peace. And as we do grow and mature, we get a lot of peace in our marriage because you're not worried just because you disagree with your wife. It's like you were describing with you and Jill, Zach.
And so he always used to say, when you get in withdrawal, to get back to intimacy, you have to go through conflict. And so I think there's a lot of truth in that. But it also, I mean, we love peace. And as we do grow and mature, we get a lot of peace in our marriage because you're not worried just because you disagree with your wife. It's like you were describing with you and Jill, Zach.
You may have a disagreement about something, but you're not worried that she's going to walk out the door and leave you over some disagreement. You have a certain confidence and peace in knowing that you two are together for the long haul. There's a difference in that and then people that don't have that.
You may have a disagreement about something, but you're not worried that she's going to walk out the door and leave you over some disagreement. You have a certain confidence and peace in knowing that you two are together for the long haul. There's a difference in that and then people that don't have that.
I did not. But I'm looking at you without my glasses on the screen. I can just barely make you laugh.
I did not. But I'm looking at you without my glasses on the screen. I can just barely make you laugh.
I remember you saying on a previous podcast you needed to cut it, but it's gotten so long you couldn't cut it yourself.
I remember you saying on a previous podcast you needed to cut it, but it's gotten so long you couldn't cut it yourself.
And Maddie's like in year two, like early year two, I think.
And Maddie's like in year two, like early year two, I think.
I would guess Mia. If Mia was in town, she might have cut it.
I would guess Mia. If Mia was in town, she might have cut it.
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It's what it's called. It's like Maddie telling Alex to tell me I look great, but tell me respectfully. It's basically saying you look great now, but we didn't want to tell you not so much earlier.
It's what it's called. It's like Maddie telling Alex to tell me I look great, but tell me respectfully. It's basically saying you look great now, but we didn't want to tell you not so much earlier.
Well, that means it was a joke. She was a joke.
Well, that means it was a joke. She was a joke.
Yeah, that's what she meant.
Yeah, that's what she meant.
Yeah, she's laughing about it.
Yeah, she's laughing about it.
But no, here's the thing. There's truth in it, though, Jay. There's just happened last night. So Beth has been trying to get me to go on the duck call room. And but I just been busy and had a lot going on. And so she sends me a note and says, hey, are you in town to go on the duck all room? And I said, no, I'm in Gulf Shores.
But no, here's the thing. There's truth in it, though, Jay. There's just happened last night. So Beth has been trying to get me to go on the duck call room. And but I just been busy and had a lot going on. And so she sends me a note and says, hey, are you in town to go on the duck all room? And I said, no, I'm in Gulf Shores.
And she said, and then she sent me one back and said, well, I don't want to be a pest, LOL. And then I sent her a picture back of a ear with a mosquito right next to the ear. And then I sent her an emoji of with me winking like it's a joke. But it's sort of like there's some honesty because you are being a pass, but it's OK. I mean, I understand that's what you do. You have to get gas.
And she said, and then she sent me one back and said, well, I don't want to be a pest, LOL. And then I sent her a picture back of a ear with a mosquito right next to the ear. And then I sent her an emoji of with me winking like it's a joke. But it's sort of like there's some honesty because you are being a pass, but it's OK. I mean, I understand that's what you do. You have to get gas.
So that's that's what Missy did as well. It's she's she's telling you she's kidding because she loves you. But, you know, anything is better than what you have.
So that's that's what Missy did as well. It's she's she's telling you she's kidding because she loves you. But, you know, anything is better than what you have.
See?
See?
That is interesting, James. You brought up an interesting point. I never thought about the emojis now. And people at Maddie's age understand them immediately. It takes me a little while to figure them out. But it has become its own language.
That is interesting, James. You brought up an interesting point. I never thought about the emojis now. And people at Maddie's age understand them immediately. It takes me a little while to figure them out. But it has become its own language.
We were told that. We were told, if you brought up the Old Testament, it doesn't apply. I mean, how many times have I heard that? It doesn't apply. It doesn't apply. I mean, the whole... It's one... I think you're... It's such a good point. And everybody, by the way, says this. That's kind of the caveat here. Everybody says... from any perspective, well, you need to read the Bible in context.
We were told that. We were told, if you brought up the Old Testament, it doesn't apply. I mean, how many times have I heard that? It doesn't apply. It doesn't apply. I mean, the whole... It's one... I think you're... It's such a good point. And everybody, by the way, says this. That's kind of the caveat here. Everybody says... from any perspective, well, you need to read the Bible in context.
And they all accuse the other side of not reading it in context. So that can be kind of an interesting conversation. It really is.
And they all accuse the other side of not reading it in context. So that can be kind of an interesting conversation. It really is.
Yeah, that's great. That's encouraging, man. Right.
Yeah, that's great. That's encouraging, man. Right.
But, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that. I still stand by my position that this is a different event from Mark 13 and Matthew 24. I think I got that right. You sent me about a, you know. Not Mark 13, I mean Mark... 10-page letter about that after we had this discussion earlier.
But, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that. I still stand by my position that this is a different event from Mark 13 and Matthew 24. I think I got that right. You sent me about a, you know. Not Mark 13, I mean Mark... 10-page letter about that after we had this discussion earlier.
I'm sorry. Yeah, it's different than Mark's account is what I meant to say. I was confused with all that discourse. But I do think that the point is, though, for me too, Jace, it was...
I'm sorry. Yeah, it's different than Mark's account is what I meant to say. I was confused with all that discourse. But I do think that the point is, though, for me too, Jace, it was...
Seeing how this overlays with this narrative, a grand narrative of Scripture, which we didn't mention in the last podcast, but there's a reason why he quotes the Old Testament so often, even in the part where he's turning over the tables. Yeah. He says, his disciples remember that it was written, zeal for your house will consume me, which is a prophetic word out of one of the Psalms.
Seeing how this overlays with this narrative, a grand narrative of Scripture, which we didn't mention in the last podcast, but there's a reason why he quotes the Old Testament so often, even in the part where he's turning over the tables. Yeah. He says, his disciples remember that it was written, zeal for your house will consume me, which is a prophetic word out of one of the Psalms.
And so that's why you can't read this in isolation. You have to read this in more of like a meta-narrative perspective that he's continuing to go back. The New Testament continues to point back to the Old Testament.
And so that's why you can't read this in isolation. You have to read this in more of like a meta-narrative perspective that he's continuing to go back. The New Testament continues to point back to the Old Testament.
You can't understand what is actually happening here if you pull it out of its Old Testament context of a story that has all of these different authors, which is kind of, honestly, for me, That's an evidence for the scripture that this scripture was not dictated by somebody going into a cave and receiving a dictation from God. If that's what it was, how would you ever prove that wrong? You can't.
You can't understand what is actually happening here if you pull it out of its Old Testament context of a story that has all of these different authors, which is kind of, honestly, for me, That's an evidence for the scripture that this scripture was not dictated by somebody going into a cave and receiving a dictation from God. If that's what it was, how would you ever prove that wrong? You can't.
If I told you guys that I went into a room and the Lord spoke to me and I come out with something and I said, this is what he said, there's no way that you could ever possibly prove that to be wrong. You can't prove it to be right either, and that's the problem. But with the Holy Scriptures, it's multiple authors writing over the course of hundreds of years.
If I told you guys that I went into a room and the Lord spoke to me and I come out with something and I said, this is what he said, there's no way that you could ever possibly prove that to be wrong. You can't prove it to be right either, and that's the problem. But with the Holy Scriptures, it's multiple authors writing over the course of hundreds of years.
And not only that, that these authors are taking the events they're talking about and they're connecting them in space and in time. That's a dangerous thing to do because if any of these events don't happen, for example, if that temple doesn't come down in AD 70, it kind of destroys Jesus' whole argument. I mean, the whole thing falls with history or stands with history.
And not only that, that these authors are taking the events they're talking about and they're connecting them in space and in time. That's a dangerous thing to do because if any of these events don't happen, for example, if that temple doesn't come down in AD 70, it kind of destroys Jesus' whole argument. I mean, the whole thing falls with history or stands with history.
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That's the worst when you realize, oh, I'm the problem. Exactly. I hate that.
That's the worst when you realize, oh, I'm the problem. Exactly. I hate that.
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Well, one's entering and the other is a full consummation of what's already been begun. That's a good way to put it.
Well, one's entering and the other is a full consummation of what's already been begun. That's a good way to put it.
Yeah, like he said, in order to see the kingdom, you have to be born. Well, what if you're not born?
Yeah, like he said, in order to see the kingdom, you have to be born. Well, what if you're not born?
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What was your point? I've always found that explanation interesting. to be lacking in that Nicodemus' whole framework when he hears the phrase born again, he says, how can I, you want to talk about something? He immediately went there. How do I enter my mother's womb and be born a second time, which is kind of a weird imagination that he paints there.
What was your point? I've always found that explanation interesting. to be lacking in that Nicodemus' whole framework when he hears the phrase born again, he says, how can I, you want to talk about something? He immediately went there. How do I enter my mother's womb and be born a second time, which is kind of a weird imagination that he paints there.
But he's thinking physical birth, and he's thinking, I don't want to get too graphic here, but he's thinking the physicality, the physical impossibility of a full-grown man re-entering his mother's womb and coming out again, that's what he's asking. He's like, that's not possible.
But he's thinking physical birth, and he's thinking, I don't want to get too graphic here, but he's thinking the physicality, the physical impossibility of a full-grown man re-entering his mother's womb and coming out again, that's what he's asking. He's like, that's not possible.
It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
Yeah, I think if you think about this motif in Scripture that moves from Genesis all the way to our moment that we're in now, There's other water stories. You mentioned the creation account where the Lord split the water. There's also... I think the next one would be the floodwaters. Then there's the waters of Joshua, where the Jordan actually parted as well.
Yeah, I think if you think about this motif in Scripture that moves from Genesis all the way to our moment that we're in now, There's other water stories. You mentioned the creation account where the Lord split the water. There's also... I think the next one would be the floodwaters. Then there's the waters of Joshua, where the Jordan actually parted as well.
In Joshua 4, verse 23, I want to read this. For the Lord God dried up the Jordan River, because they did the same thing. They got to the Jordan River. Where do we go? It's very similar to the Red Sea. Where do we go? We go through the Jordan. The Lord dried it up before you, and you had crossed over.
In Joshua 4, verse 23, I want to read this. For the Lord God dried up the Jordan River, because they did the same thing. They got to the Jordan River. Where do we go? It's very similar to the Red Sea. Where do we go? We go through the Jordan. The Lord dried it up before you, and you had crossed over.
The Lord your God did to the Jordan what he had done to the Red Sea when he dried it up before us until we had crossed over. Here's verse 24, and this connects to what you just read in Galatians. He did this so that all the peoples of the earth... Jew and Gentile might know that the hand of the Lord is powerful so that you might always fear the Lord your God.
The Lord your God did to the Jordan what he had done to the Red Sea when he dried it up before us until we had crossed over. Here's verse 24, and this connects to what you just read in Galatians. He did this so that all the peoples of the earth... Jew and Gentile might know that the hand of the Lord is powerful so that you might always fear the Lord your God.
Now, he's talking in an immediate context. I want everybody or all the nations around to be fearful of Israel. But I think there's also the bigger context of God. This is also echoed. When Jesus crossed into the Jordan and got baptized, it's connected to this moment, to the Jordan River. And so here's where the other part plays in with Noah.
Now, he's talking in an immediate context. I want everybody or all the nations around to be fearful of Israel. But I think there's also the bigger context of God. This is also echoed. When Jesus crossed into the Jordan and got baptized, it's connected to this moment, to the Jordan River. And so here's where the other part plays in with Noah.
Like the reason why I do think you're right, and I'm not saying that we might have to disagree on what baptism is, but I think it's what the waters represent here. I think Peter gives a good language for this because Noah was saved also through water. If you think about it, God killed, just like he killed all the Egyptians and washed their problems away.
Like the reason why I do think you're right, and I'm not saying that we might have to disagree on what baptism is, but I think it's what the waters represent here. I think Peter gives a good language for this because Noah was saved also through water. If you think about it, God killed, just like he killed all the Egyptians and washed their problems away.
But if you're hung up on the water part, I know we're out of time, but here's what Peter says. It's not the removal of dirt from the flesh. Right. So don't get caught up on the water. You're missing it because you get caught up. Well, exactly. Water doesn't save anybody. You're missing what baptism is.
But if you're hung up on the water part, I know we're out of time, but here's what Peter says. It's not the removal of dirt from the flesh. Right. So don't get caught up on the water. You're missing it because you get caught up. Well, exactly. Water doesn't save anybody. You're missing what baptism is.
Yeah. I didn't know you turned your phone on. I think I've probably answered.
Yeah. I didn't know you turned your phone on. I think I've probably answered.
You have a lot of people over.
You have a lot of people over.
Al, have you ever had your identity stolen?
Al, have you ever had your identity stolen?
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Jace, by the way, if you ever need a second string, I will certainly fill in for you if I get your honorarium. So that's a standing offer.
Jace, by the way, if you ever need a second string, I will certainly fill in for you if I get your honorarium. So that's a standing offer.
But on the scripture thing, I think it's an important distinction to make between dictating the scripture and inspiring the scripture and, and the Holy Spirit, it doesn't say that he dictated word for word what would be written. In fact, we don't even have access to the original manuscripts of the Bible.
But on the scripture thing, I think it's an important distinction to make between dictating the scripture and inspiring the scripture and, and the Holy Spirit, it doesn't say that he dictated word for word what would be written. In fact, we don't even have access to the original manuscripts of the Bible.
We have copies of copies, you know, we have tons of copies, but we don't have, and then, and then which translation? I mean, if you get, you get into this, this debate on which translation is inspired and whatnot and, It's not the translation that's inspired. It's the word of God that's inspired in the original manuscripts that we don't have access to, but it's the thought.
We have copies of copies, you know, we have tons of copies, but we don't have, and then, and then which translation? I mean, if you get, you get into this, this debate on which translation is inspired and whatnot and, It's not the translation that's inspired. It's the word of God that's inspired in the original manuscripts that we don't have access to, but it's the thought.
And so the difference, it's not that God used flawed men and that the scriptures are flawed. The scriptures are not. The scriptures are flawless. They are the inerrant word of God. I mean, they do not have any error. But to read them as dictated from God is to actually misunderstand what it means to have the scriptures. Each man, so you have these accounts of the gospel, for example.
And so the difference, it's not that God used flawed men and that the scriptures are flawed. The scriptures are not. The scriptures are flawless. They are the inerrant word of God. I mean, they do not have any error. But to read them as dictated from God is to actually misunderstand what it means to have the scriptures. Each man, so you have these accounts of the gospel, for example.
And I heard it said this way one time that it's like if you have two people, two eyewitnesses watching the same exact event and then you they record what they saw. They saw a train wreck or a car wreck and the police comes and he interviews both both people, both witnesses. Those reports may have some differing things that happen, but that's not how you interpret that. You don't read it up.
And I heard it said this way one time that it's like if you have two people, two eyewitnesses watching the same exact event and then you they record what they saw. They saw a train wreck or a car wreck and the police comes and he interviews both both people, both witnesses. Those reports may have some differing things that happen, but that's not how you interpret that. You don't read it up.
Well, their stories didn't line up word for word. They're giving what they saw in their own perspective, and the Holy Spirit was working through that to record these events of the gospel, particularly in the gospels, which is where we would find... so-called discrepancies.
Well, their stories didn't line up word for word. They're giving what they saw in their own perspective, and the Holy Spirit was working through that to record these events of the gospel, particularly in the gospels, which is where we would find... so-called discrepancies.
Um, but when it comes to like true, meaningful, like, like content in the gospels, there really is no real ultimate variation of discrepancies. There may be some things that you read in here. Well, he says it this way.
Um, but when it comes to like true, meaningful, like, like content in the gospels, there really is no real ultimate variation of discrepancies. There may be some things that you read in here. Well, he says it this way.
I am unashamed. What about you?
I am unashamed. What about you?
It was crazy, because yesterday I was supposed to film for the new Duck Dynasty show.
It was crazy, because yesterday I was supposed to film for the new Duck Dynasty show.
Well, the fact that he was fine was the most important part. That was the lead.
Well, the fact that he was fine was the most important part. That was the lead.
I'm like, no, right now we're establishing a relationship here because they came to me a month ago. I did one scene with them, so I'm on there somewhere, which I'm not sure that's going to be a good thing or a bad thing. We'll see when it comes out. But so, you know, I'm a busy guy. They're busy. So we carve out two days in a week, which was a Tuesday and a Thursday.
I'm like, no, right now we're establishing a relationship here because they came to me a month ago. I did one scene with them, so I'm on there somewhere, which I'm not sure that's going to be a good thing or a bad thing. We'll see when it comes out. But so, you know, I'm a busy guy. They're busy. So we carve out two days in a week, which was a Tuesday and a Thursday.
Well, it was crazy that you're like, we got to figure out if it's totaled. Just send me a picture and I'll tell you whether it's totaled or not.
Well, it was crazy that you're like, we got to figure out if it's totaled. Just send me a picture and I'll tell you whether it's totaled or not.
That's a yuppie approach to this argument. You send me a picture and I'll tell you. I've... This is like the wreck car capital of the world. You cannot drive 100 yards.
That's a yuppie approach to this argument. You send me a picture and I'll tell you. I've... This is like the wreck car capital of the world. You cannot drive 100 yards.
See, you've got to remember, look, I found something fascinating this morning now that we've just gone completely off the rails. I went to a bathroom here in Duck Commander where I've been – For how long have we had this place? Many, many years. I'd say at least 20. Up to 20 years. Someone hung a sign inside the bathroom. Never been there before.
See, you've got to remember, look, I found something fascinating this morning now that we've just gone completely off the rails. I went to a bathroom here in Duck Commander where I've been – For how long have we had this place? Many, many years. I'd say at least 20. Up to 20 years. Someone hung a sign inside the bathroom. Never been there before.
So two days ago, I was here, went to the same bathroom. That sign was not there. This is new. New sign. And I looked at it. I was like, huh, well, let me read this. So they had a picture of a leaf. On one side of the sign and a roll of toilet paper on the other side. Yeah. And under the leaf, it says what a redneck sees. No, it says, what you see was under the leaf.
So two days ago, I was here, went to the same bathroom. That sign was not there. This is new. New sign. And I looked at it. I was like, huh, well, let me read this. So they had a picture of a leaf. On one side of the sign and a roll of toilet paper on the other side. Yeah. And under the leaf, it says what a redneck sees. No, it says, what you see was under the leaf.
And then it says, what a redneck sees, and it was under the toilet paper. I got you. Well, it actually took me about 20 seconds to process what their joke was. But I knew it because Phil invented that thing in our world.
And then it says, what a redneck sees, and it was under the toilet paper. I got you. Well, it actually took me about 20 seconds to process what their joke was. But I knew it because Phil invented that thing in our world.
Al, there's a thin line between compound and dog pound.
Al, there's a thin line between compound and dog pound.
We weren't. I mean, people ask us all the time. They hear you have a podcast, and they're like, oh, I'll listen to one. Which one do you recommend? I'm like, it's like saying, which one are my kids?
We weren't. I mean, people ask us all the time. They hear you have a podcast, and they're like, oh, I'll listen to one. Which one do you recommend? I'm like, it's like saying, which one are my kids?
Yesterday was Tuesday, to film. You know, I can't give away the details. But so, all right, so we put that on the calendar. And the night before, Monday night, about 10.30 at night? Yeah. I get a message from my assistant, which is Mrs. Ann, saying they have postponed that filming for you tomorrow. I'm like, what? They said they'll try to figure something out next week. I'm like...
Yesterday was Tuesday, to film. You know, I can't give away the details. But so, all right, so we put that on the calendar. And the night before, Monday night, about 10.30 at night? Yeah. I get a message from my assistant, which is Mrs. Ann, saying they have postponed that filming for you tomorrow. I'm like, what? They said they'll try to figure something out next week. I'm like...
But I'm saying that kind of applies to this because it's like Zach's like, well, I've got to get somebody to tell me if it's totaled. I've literally driven around total vehicles.
But I'm saying that kind of applies to this because it's like Zach's like, well, I've got to get somebody to tell me if it's totaled. I've literally driven around total vehicles.
Well, here's the funny part. He sends me a picture of about, I'd say, 15% of the vehicle. So based on the 15% I'm looking at, I'd say, nope, not totaled.
Well, here's the funny part. He sends me a picture of about, I'd say, 15% of the vehicle. So based on the 15% I'm looking at, I'd say, nope, not totaled.
Look at this, Al. I'm seeing a door and, you know, half the hood.
Look at this, Al. I'm seeing a door and, you know, half the hood.
No, it's not total. So they might say it is because of the frame. Yeah. But I'm saying. Look at him. I mean, this guy is good. I was expecting. Yeah, bad. Next time you come here, we're going on a tour of totaled vehicles.
No, it's not total. So they might say it is because of the frame. Yeah. But I'm saying. Look at him. I mean, this guy is good. I was expecting. Yeah, bad. Next time you come here, we're going on a tour of totaled vehicles.
Oh, it's not total.
Oh, it's not total.
It's not a total. Yeah, I could get $12,000 for that vehicle in its current condition by dark.
It's not a total. Yeah, I could get $12,000 for that vehicle in its current condition by dark.
That's a 2023. That's worth about $12,000 after that. Then it's totaled. Then it's totaled.
That's a 2023. That's worth about $12,000 after that. Then it's totaled. Then it's totaled.
He's a slick one. No, it's not total, but they may deem it. That's what I'm saying. They play the game. It's a game.
He's a slick one. No, it's not total, but they may deem it. That's what I'm saying. They play the game. It's a game.
Oh, I do know. I've given you the truth. The vehicle is nowhere near totaled. It's not even close.
Oh, I do know. I've given you the truth. The vehicle is nowhere near totaled. It's not even close.
They might total it because they'll find some loophole. But, you know.
They might total it because they'll find some loophole. But, you know.
He's right either way. Oh, he's right either way.
He's right either way. Oh, he's right either way.
My first three vehicles that I drove for years were all totaled. Not formally totaled. Was deemed totaled.
My first three vehicles that I drove for years were all totaled. Not formally totaled. Was deemed totaled.
That's what I'm saying. It's not total. I'm giving you your answer. You just don't like it. I'm like, that is not a total vehicle.
That's what I'm saying. It's not total. I'm giving you your answer. You just don't like it. I'm like, that is not a total vehicle.
Well, you shall know the truth and it'll set you free. That's all I'm saying.
Well, you shall know the truth and it'll set you free. That's all I'm saying.
No, we are, but I think it's the same principle because all of these people are looking at Jesus saying, nope, he doesn't have the total package. You know what I mean? That's right. I mean, it's a similar view. What is your view? Yeah. And you showed it. Because one of our next questions is fixed to come up. Have you noticed it? I have not.
No, we are, but I think it's the same principle because all of these people are looking at Jesus saying, nope, he doesn't have the total package. You know what I mean? That's right. I mean, it's a similar view. What is your view? Yeah. And you showed it. Because one of our next questions is fixed to come up. Have you noticed it? I have not.
Now my memory is not what it once was.
Now my memory is not what it once was.
Yeah, stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment. Look, I've had to say that sentence in my life. You know, when I had a similar situation that Phil had, when I was at an event and they're trying to figure out where the nearest homeless shelter is. Yeah. Stop judging by mirror appearances. I'm like, you know, don't judge a book by its cover.
Yeah, stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment. Look, I've had to say that sentence in my life. You know, when I had a similar situation that Phil had, when I was at an event and they're trying to figure out where the nearest homeless shelter is. Yeah. Stop judging by mirror appearances. I'm like, you know, don't judge a book by its cover.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you remember in John 5 where he healed a guy on the Sabbath at the pool. Yeah.
So you remember in John 5 where he healed a guy on the Sabbath at the pool. Yeah.
Yeah, because he asked him, you know, and then he had another encounter with him. He's like, and that was one of our questions, do you want to get well? Yeah. What he asked him. And I think that was a profound question because, you know, he had basically gotten comfortable Just in his misery. Yeah. And, you know, thinking there's some kind of angelic powers, you know.
Yeah, because he asked him, you know, and then he had another encounter with him. He's like, and that was one of our questions, do you want to get well? Yeah. What he asked him. And I think that was a profound question because, you know, he had basically gotten comfortable Just in his misery. Yeah. And, you know, thinking there's some kind of angelic powers, you know.
No, wait a minute. Next week's tied up. I mean, it really is. I'm like, these people think I can just, you know, I'm sitting here on the edge of my seat ready to go do this. So then, you know, I wake up the next morning. I literally am off. I mean, Miss and I were making jokes about it. I was like, what are you going to do today, you know? So we're having kind of fun with it.
No, wait a minute. Next week's tied up. I mean, it really is. I'm like, these people think I can just, you know, I'm sitting here on the edge of my seat ready to go do this. So then, you know, I wake up the next morning. I literally am off. I mean, Miss and I were making jokes about it. I was like, what are you going to do today, you know? So we're having kind of fun with it.
Well, he said there's nobody to help me, and now he's thinking there's just some kind of magic trick of celestial beings that are going to heal him. And, of course, Jesus says, get up, pick up your mat, and walk. The whole problem happened that it was on the Sabbath. So when he said, pick up your mat... Well, that was not allowed on the Sabbath.
Well, he said there's nobody to help me, and now he's thinking there's just some kind of magic trick of celestial beings that are going to heal him. And, of course, Jesus says, get up, pick up your mat, and walk. The whole problem happened that it was on the Sabbath. So when he said, pick up your mat... Well, that was not allowed on the Sabbath.
Of course, here's the man who invented the Sabbath because he's the son of God saying, you've missed the point of that. And then he uses another illustration in the middle of that. And do you want to talk about that one? Where he says, well, first in verse 20, I mean, in verse 19 is my next question. Yeah. When he says, has not Moses given you the law?
Of course, here's the man who invented the Sabbath because he's the son of God saying, you've missed the point of that. And then he uses another illustration in the middle of that. And do you want to talk about that one? Where he says, well, first in verse 20, I mean, in verse 19 is my next question. Yeah. When he says, has not Moses given you the law?
That was the first question that leads into the second question, which I think the second one was the point. Yeah. Which he says, yet not one of you keeps the law. And so then he asks a double question, but this second one is a doozy. Why are you trying to kill me? Yeah. And I just think when you take these questions even out of their context, it's like, why would you want to kill Jesus?
That was the first question that leads into the second question, which I think the second one was the point. Yeah. Which he says, yet not one of you keeps the law. And so then he asks a double question, but this second one is a doozy. Why are you trying to kill me? Yeah. And I just think when you take these questions even out of their context, it's like, why would you want to kill Jesus?
It's a very profound question.
It's a very profound question.
Todd's getting a little R&R. Well, about noon, I get a text from the guy I used to play in golf tournaments with. I mean, I've played, what, three times this year? And that was after about a seven-month layoff. He's like, hey, we're playing at 1250. But I'm looking like, well, it's noon now. I'm still in my jammies.
Todd's getting a little R&R. Well, about noon, I get a text from the guy I used to play in golf tournaments with. I mean, I've played, what, three times this year? And that was after about a seven-month layoff. He's like, hey, we're playing at 1250. But I'm looking like, well, it's noon now. I'm still in my jammies.
I knew we were going there, but where I went was, you know what would have been a good question for Eve to ask? That's why I'm really excited about analyzing these questions. When, based on what she had heard from God, remember when he said, don't eat. of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because if you do, remember what he said? You'll surely die. You'll surely die.
I knew we were going there, but where I went was, you know what would have been a good question for Eve to ask? That's why I'm really excited about analyzing these questions. When, based on what she had heard from God, remember when he said, don't eat. of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because if you do, remember what he said? You'll surely die. You'll surely die.
So when the evil one came up there and started asking his questions and making his statements, a good question for Eve, if she would have known this story, She should have asked the evil one. Why are you trying to kill me? Why are you trying to kill me?
So when the evil one came up there and started asking his questions and making his statements, a good question for Eve, if she would have known this story, She should have asked the evil one. Why are you trying to kill me? Why are you trying to kill me?
Because that's exactly what he was trying to do. It's a great point. So to me, that was the smoking gun of, I think, that question and what it means. Because when you look at all the other verses, which one I've read so many times on this podcast, but I will refer to it again, just to go with the narrative I brought up from the garden, is when Jesus...
Because that's exactly what he was trying to do. It's a great point. So to me, that was the smoking gun of, I think, that question and what it means. Because when you look at all the other verses, which one I've read so many times on this podcast, but I will refer to it again, just to go with the narrative I brought up from the garden, is when Jesus...
is declared by the Hebrew writer in Hebrews 2.14, which that Hebrews 2 section is all about Jesus becoming a human. And he says, since the children, humans, have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity, so that by his death, he might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil, which he's going to say in the next chapter of John 8,
is declared by the Hebrew writer in Hebrews 2.14, which that Hebrews 2 section is all about Jesus becoming a human. And he says, since the children, humans, have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity, so that by his death, he might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil, which he's going to say in the next chapter of John 8,
about the evil one and them serving him without knowing it, he said he was a murderer from the beginning. Now, we usually go to Cain and Abel, but I just brought up this fact that it actually brought death into the world because then they were separated from the tree of life. They sinned. They didn't do what God said. And so then the presence of God in humans together was broken in that moment.
about the evil one and them serving him without knowing it, he said he was a murderer from the beginning. Now, we usually go to Cain and Abel, but I just brought up this fact that it actually brought death into the world because then they were separated from the tree of life. They sinned. They didn't do what God said. And so then the presence of God in humans together was broken in that moment.
And what was the result? More sin and I'll die.
And what was the result? More sin and I'll die.
Not really, but I mean, so I scramble because, I mean, it takes 20 minutes to get there. So I was like, I'm in. I mean, maybe this is why they canceled. I was supposed to play golf today. I was kind of, you know, joking around with Missy. And she's like, go have fun.
Not really, but I mean, so I scramble because, I mean, it takes 20 minutes to get there. So I was like, I'm in. I mean, maybe this is why they canceled. I was supposed to play golf today. I was kind of, you know, joking around with Missy. And she's like, go have fun.
Look, I went down a rabbit hole on this, and I'm not an expert in Leviticus by any means, but I listened to some of the scholars that I listened to, and what I found perplexing is this idea of what you brought up about. You brought up immediately sacrifice and atonement, and so I started looking in Leviticus and like for the purposes of sacrifices?
Look, I went down a rabbit hole on this, and I'm not an expert in Leviticus by any means, but I listened to some of the scholars that I listened to, and what I found perplexing is this idea of what you brought up about. You brought up immediately sacrifice and atonement, and so I started looking in Leviticus and like for the purposes of sacrifices?
Because when I went down this rabbit hole with the question about what Eve should have asked the evil one, why are you trying to kill me? And then when Cain killed Abel, you remember that part of that story that never gets any airtime is remember God said his blood is crying out to me from the ground.
Because when I went down this rabbit hole with the question about what Eve should have asked the evil one, why are you trying to kill me? And then when Cain killed Abel, you remember that part of that story that never gets any airtime is remember God said his blood is crying out to me from the ground.
Well, I was reading in Leviticus about all the sacrifices and the purposes, and what I really concluded is I think in most churches we kind of have this narrative wrong because a lot of these sacrifices were actually given to purify the place where God would meet humans. Think the tabernacle, the altar, the temple. And that's what stood out.
Well, I was reading in Leviticus about all the sacrifices and the purposes, and what I really concluded is I think in most churches we kind of have this narrative wrong because a lot of these sacrifices were actually given to purify the place where God would meet humans. Think the tabernacle, the altar, the temple. And that's what stood out.
And I noticed, I forgot who said it, but there was a verse in Leviticus. Can I ask you a question before you say that?
And I noticed, I forgot who said it, but there was a verse in Leviticus. Can I ask you a question before you say that?
That when he said, why are you trying to kill me? And I was thinking about the sacrifice, him becoming a sacrifice. Because he linked it to law. Yeah, to law and Moses. He keeps bringing up that picture. And I just went down the rabbit hole, and I got into the Levitical priesthood and the sacrifices.
That when he said, why are you trying to kill me? And I was thinking about the sacrifice, him becoming a sacrifice. Because he linked it to law. Yeah, to law and Moses. He keeps bringing up that picture. And I just went down the rabbit hole, and I got into the Levitical priesthood and the sacrifices.
Well, the more I was listening and reading, I was like, this seems way more about the sacrifices being given to make the place holy for God's presence, that God's presence is what kept coming up. Now, it would say for the sins of people, there was an element to that, but they were only doing it once a year. They were calling it the Day of Atonement.
Well, the more I was listening and reading, I was like, this seems way more about the sacrifices being given to make the place holy for God's presence, that God's presence is what kept coming up. Now, it would say for the sins of people, there was an element to that, but they were only doing it once a year. They were calling it the Day of Atonement.
This one passage was like a smoking gun to me, and it's Leviticus 17, 11. And man, it just took me, it just flipped my narrative here a little bit. If I can find Leviticus 17, 11. Leviticus numbers. Leviticus 17, 11. And you're going to know why this had such an appeal to me. Yeah. Because there's one little word that really stood out. Because here was my narrative before I read it.
This one passage was like a smoking gun to me, and it's Leviticus 17, 11. And man, it just took me, it just flipped my narrative here a little bit. If I can find Leviticus 17, 11. Leviticus numbers. Leviticus 17, 11. And you're going to know why this had such an appeal to me. Yeah. Because there's one little word that really stood out. Because here was my narrative before I read it.
Well, and he was telling me he's fixing to retire, which shows you how much older everyone is now. Then I'm like, but what will we call you now? That's right. What will we call you, Mickey Farmer Fan? The nickname's getting too weird here. So I go up there, you know, hit a few balls before rush out there. Get on the first tee. It's a par five. hit the ball out right down the middle.
Well, and he was telling me he's fixing to retire, which shows you how much older everyone is now. Then I'm like, but what will we call you now? That's right. What will we call you, Mickey Farmer Fan? The nickname's getting too weird here. So I go up there, you know, hit a few balls before rush out there. Get on the first tee. It's a par five. hit the ball out right down the middle.
I thought, and I was taught, Okay, they were doing these sacrifices because, you know, Leviticus is not a place you hang out, you know, because there's animals being killed. Now, we were hunters. We were raised where we're living off the land, so it wasn't as shocking to us. I mean, it kind of became part of... This is God's gift to us based on Genesis 9, and we're living off the land.
I thought, and I was taught, Okay, they were doing these sacrifices because, you know, Leviticus is not a place you hang out, you know, because there's animals being killed. Now, we were hunters. We were raised where we're living off the land, so it wasn't as shocking to us. I mean, it kind of became part of... This is God's gift to us based on Genesis 9, and we're living off the land.
Yeah, watch this sentence. For the life... Well, I'll just read 10 here. Or let me back up and read a little bit so we get the feel for it. So verse 8 says, And there's somewhere it says about bringing it into the holy place. But maybe that's coming up. to sacrifice it to the Lord, that man must be cut off from his people.
Yeah, watch this sentence. For the life... Well, I'll just read 10 here. Or let me back up and read a little bit so we get the feel for it. So verse 8 says, And there's somewhere it says about bringing it into the holy place. But maybe that's coming up. to sacrifice it to the Lord, that man must be cut off from his people.
Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people. Remember when we brought that up, when Jesus said that, you got to drink my blood, it's like, well, it's in the Old Testament, you're not supposed to do that. Because he says that blood is the life force
Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people. Remember when we brought that up, when Jesus said that, you got to drink my blood, it's like, well, it's in the Old Testament, you're not supposed to do that. Because he says that blood is the life force
It's a reflection of the life that's in a living being, which is there's something in the blood.
It's a reflection of the life that's in a living being, which is there's something in the blood.
That's right. So then verse 11, here was the one that really... Watch how he... he words the exact opposite of what kind of I was taught when I heard this. For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar. It is the blood that makes atonement for one's life. Well, it's like, We're not giving it to him.
That's right. So then verse 11, here was the one that really... Watch how he... he words the exact opposite of what kind of I was taught when I heard this. For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar. It is the blood that makes atonement for one's life. Well, it's like, We're not giving it to him.
He gave it to you as a sacrifice. Well, it totally flipped the narrative. You know, kind of looking at it, it's God's grace to you because you're such a, you know, you keep missing the mark, sin, which then it made me kind of rethink that, which is not rethinking I knew this, but it, I guess, put it together. Because you think, well, what is sin? Well, you missed the mark.
He gave it to you as a sacrifice. Well, it totally flipped the narrative. You know, kind of looking at it, it's God's grace to you because you're such a, you know, you keep missing the mark, sin, which then it made me kind of rethink that, which is not rethinking I knew this, but it, I guess, put it together. Because you think, well, what is sin? Well, you missed the mark.
Well, think about what the purpose was on why God made us. We are created in the image. We're supposed to reflect God. Well, when you miss that mark, there you have sin. And it's tied in with idolatry because whatever you're worshiping, that's contrary to the living God. contributes to you missing the mark, which is sinful. And so what does God do? Well, it's totally a different narrative.
Well, think about what the purpose was on why God made us. We are created in the image. We're supposed to reflect God. Well, when you miss that mark, there you have sin. And it's tied in with idolatry because whatever you're worshiping, that's contrary to the living God. contributes to you missing the mark, which is sinful. And so what does God do? Well, it's totally a different narrative.
Like you'd never live. About 300. Like you'd never live. I mean, just a bomb. In fact, it was like, whoa, you've been practicing? I was like, yep, I just got through about five minutes of just donking the ball around the range, you know, hoping I didn't hit someone to my right or left. But so you say, oh, perfect drive. You're going to go for the green.
Like you'd never live. About 300. Like you'd never live. I mean, just a bomb. In fact, it was like, whoa, you've been practicing? I was like, yep, I just got through about five minutes of just donking the ball around the range, you know, hoping I didn't hit someone to my right or left. But so you say, oh, perfect drive. You're going to go for the green.
It's not like an angry God saying, oh, you better go kill something so I can settle down a bit, you know?
It's not like an angry God saying, oh, you better go kill something so I can settle down a bit, you know?
Well, how many times in John 6 did he say, this is a gift, I give, this is a gift, I give? So when you think about God's sacrifice, one, in purifying this sacred place, this holy place, well, that's when I got into thinking of all the passages in Hebrews. Well, then it makes perfect sense.
Well, how many times in John 6 did he say, this is a gift, I give, this is a gift, I give? So when you think about God's sacrifice, one, in purifying this sacred place, this holy place, well, that's when I got into thinking of all the passages in Hebrews. Well, then it makes perfect sense.
You know, at the end of chapter 6 in Hebrew, I'd like to read it because Jesus fulfilled that because he is the gift. And think about how many times when you talk about salvation or atonement that that gift is there. Think Ephesians 2 when he says, this is not on your own. What? It's a gift from God. That's what Jesus is. He is a gift.
You know, at the end of chapter 6 in Hebrew, I'd like to read it because Jesus fulfilled that because he is the gift. And think about how many times when you talk about salvation or atonement that that gift is there. Think Ephesians 2 when he says, this is not on your own. What? It's a gift from God. That's what Jesus is. He is a gift.
Just like he provided the animals to be slaughtered as a gift from him. Right. So because that lifeblood would provide atonement. But it's also allowing that space to be filled where God and humans could be reconciled. So I'll just give you three instances in Hebrews where it basically says Jesus does that for us, which is the point. He came to fulfill this.
Just like he provided the animals to be slaughtered as a gift from him. Right. So because that lifeblood would provide atonement. But it's also allowing that space to be filled where God and humans could be reconciled. So I'll just give you three instances in Hebrews where it basically says Jesus does that for us, which is the point. He came to fulfill this.
If you had a thousand kids.
If you had a thousand kids.
So the first one's at the end of Hebrews 6 where it says God did... Two unchangeable things in which it's impossible for God to lie, who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us that we may be greatly encouraged. Now watch verse 19, 619. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.
So the first one's at the end of Hebrews 6 where it says God did... Two unchangeable things in which it's impossible for God to lie, who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us that we may be greatly encouraged. Now watch verse 19, 619. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.
This hope enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, which is what all of these sacrifices have in the book of Leviticus. You see this kind of language. And here's how Jesus fulfills it. Where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever. Well, we're talking about him entering heaven. So then look at Hebrews 7, 26. I'll start in 25.
This hope enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, which is what all of these sacrifices have in the book of Leviticus. You see this kind of language. And here's how Jesus fulfills it. Where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever. Well, we're talking about him entering heaven. So then look at Hebrews 7, 26. I'll start in 25.
Therefore, Jesus is able to save completely. those who come to God through him because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest meets our need. Now watch this. Who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, and exalted to the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day for his own sins.
Therefore, Jesus is able to save completely. those who come to God through him because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest meets our need. Now watch this. Who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, and exalted to the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day for his own sins.
And then for the sins of the people, he sacrificed for their sins once for all. And then the last one I want to read is in Hebrews 9, which this is kind of the kicker. Verse 24. For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one. He entered heaven itself. Now to appear for us, well, here's this phrase again, in God's presence. But he's there for us.
And then for the sins of the people, he sacrificed for their sins once for all. And then the last one I want to read is in Hebrews 9, which this is kind of the kicker. Verse 24. For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one. He entered heaven itself. Now to appear for us, well, here's this phrase again, in God's presence. But he's there for us.
Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again the way the high priest enters the most holy place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times. since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again the way the high priest enters the most holy place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times. since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Just as man is destined to die once and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and he will appear a second time not to bear sin, but to bring salvation. And so I brought all that up just to say, now they weren't going to come up with it, but when he said, why are you trying to kill me?
Just as man is destined to die once and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and he will appear a second time not to bear sin, but to bring salvation. And so I brought all that up just to say, now they weren't going to come up with it, but when he said, why are you trying to kill me?
A good answer was because you're the gift of God so that we can be in the presence of God. And we hate that you have to die for that to happen. Right. But that would have been the correct answer, to reconcile humanity, and it is the gift of God. Right.
A good answer was because you're the gift of God so that we can be in the presence of God. And we hate that you have to die for that to happen. Right. But that would have been the correct answer, to reconcile humanity, and it is the gift of God. Right.
Well, I got up there and I had a little downhill lie. I say, I'm being coy. It was severe. But I was only like 210 yards to the hole. So I'm like, well, I'm going for it. But my game is not in a place where you're trying to take a five wood off a downhill line. You should have been working on just working in this. So a few strokes later, I made a big snowman, which is an eight on a par five.
Well, I got up there and I had a little downhill lie. I say, I'm being coy. It was severe. But I was only like 210 yards to the hole. So I'm like, well, I'm going for it. But my game is not in a place where you're trying to take a five wood off a downhill line. You should have been working on just working in this. So a few strokes later, I made a big snowman, which is an eight on a par five.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah. Well, that's what, you know what I immediately thought for the first time in my life? I thought, well, no wonder. he could then pour out the Spirit on people because he had made the place holy. What is the place? The human holy, so now the Holy Spirit could dwell, which we're going back to.
Yeah. Well, that's what, you know what I immediately thought for the first time in my life? I thought, well, no wonder. he could then pour out the Spirit on people because he had made the place holy. What is the place? The human holy, so now the Holy Spirit could dwell, which we're going back to.
Even in the argument that he brought up about circumcision, which I know we're fixing to run out of time, it's the same principle when you read Abraham and the promise that he made that this would be a sign, which there's some shedding of the blood here. This is a sign of the promise. And then I think Genesis 17, where he says, so that I could live with you. You be my people and I be your God.
Even in the argument that he brought up about circumcision, which I know we're fixing to run out of time, it's the same principle when you read Abraham and the promise that he made that this would be a sign, which there's some shedding of the blood here. This is a sign of the promise. And then I think Genesis 17, where he says, so that I could live with you. You be my people and I be your God.
We have this relationship. And so it made me think that's how all this works. He's in heaven as this atoning sacrifice for human beings. you know, making them right, just simply.
We have this relationship. And so it made me think that's how all this works. He's in heaven as this atoning sacrifice for human beings. you know, making them right, just simply.
The reason I think that we don't, We don't see that as easily as I think. No, I just gave a thumbnail. Look, you have to go do your own study. But it's because people say, well, we still sin, which is true. But that's why Jesus is at the right hand of God. The sacrifice is still at the right hand of God.
The reason I think that we don't, We don't see that as easily as I think. No, I just gave a thumbnail. Look, you have to go do your own study. But it's because people say, well, we still sin, which is true. But that's why Jesus is at the right hand of God. The sacrifice is still at the right hand of God.
Exactly. Exactly.
Exactly. Exactly.
Triple bogey. That's how my round started. After a 300-yard drive. You know, I'm going to the number two tee, and I thought, why did I do this? I don't play enough golf to come out here in a short moment's notice. Now I'm just like, you know how you're psychologically – I just went and took the tee box because I'm like, let's just get this over with. Forget about who shot better than you.
Triple bogey. That's how my round started. After a 300-yard drive. You know, I'm going to the number two tee, and I thought, why did I do this? I don't play enough golf to come out here in a short moment's notice. Now I'm just like, you know how you're psychologically – I just went and took the tee box because I'm like, let's just get this over with. Forget about who shot better than you.
And I didn't. So I had to spend five hours trying to study why he would ask such a question. Which I think that. Is along the right track of what he was trying to get at? On which side of this? Are you a killer? Or do you want to come to me because I gave my life up for you so you could live? It comes back to that life and death. It does.
And I didn't. So I had to spend five hours trying to study why he would ask such a question. Which I think that. Is along the right track of what he was trying to get at? On which side of this? Are you a killer? Or do you want to come to me because I gave my life up for you so you could live? It comes back to that life and death. It does.
Put the tee in the ground. I'm like, what's the yards? 159 is a par three, 159 yards. Well, it was formerly number seven.
Put the tee in the ground. I'm like, what's the yards? 159 is a par three, 159 yards. Well, it was formerly number seven.
Yeah. So I had a seven iron, and I thought, you know, the wind's kind of with us, but the pin was in the front. I was like, I'm going to try to hit a little knockdown. So here I go again, you know, trying to create a shot that I haven't practiced in a year. Hit a little knockdown in front of the green, you know, maybe because it was hard to get close to the pin because it was in the front.
Yeah. So I had a seven iron, and I thought, you know, the wind's kind of with us, but the pin was in the front. I was like, I'm going to try to hit a little knockdown. So here I go again, you know, trying to create a shot that I haven't practiced in a year. Hit a little knockdown in front of the green, you know, maybe because it was hard to get close to the pin because it was in the front.
I hit this shot. Well, it's, you know, I look up, and I'm like, thing's going right toward the hole. And I just kind of posed there. I thought, enjoy this because that's probably as good a ball as I'm going to hit today. The thing hit, bounced up. Well, it was on the green, and it was like going toward the hole. And one of my playing partners said, go in the hole.
I hit this shot. Well, it's, you know, I look up, and I'm like, thing's going right toward the hole. And I just kind of posed there. I thought, enjoy this because that's probably as good a ball as I'm going to hit today. The thing hit, bounced up. Well, it was on the green, and it was like going toward the hole. And one of my playing partners said, go in the hole.
As soon as he said that, boop, disappeared. And I was like, yeah. I turned around. It was Bedlam. They were high-fiving, falling down. And then I realized, I just made a hole in one. I mean, that was only my third in my life.
As soon as he said that, boop, disappeared. And I was like, yeah. I turned around. It was Bedlam. They were high-fiving, falling down. And then I realized, I just made a hole in one. I mean, that was only my third in my life.
Yeah. So, yeah, that happened. So what was funny about it, of course, we didn't film it because why would you have – I just made an eight.
Yeah. So, yeah, that happened. So what was funny about it, of course, we didn't film it because why would you have – I just made an eight.
And I had talked to my buddy Barrett from Kansas on the way to the golf course. He's like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm going to play golf. He's like, what are you doing that for? I was like, well, that's a long story. And so I took a picture of my scorecard. I had an eight and a one, and I sent it to him. And then I was like, well, I need to send that to my son. Yeah.
And I had talked to my buddy Barrett from Kansas on the way to the golf course. He's like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm going to play golf. He's like, what are you doing that for? I was like, well, that's a long story. And so I took a picture of my scorecard. I had an eight and a one, and I sent it to him. And then I was like, well, I need to send that to my son. Yeah.
And it just kind of went on from there. And so then the text that you got from all my buddies, what was funny is Jep immediately, he's like, well, there's no video. Well, there was a video they filmed me. Walking up to the house. Yeah, I didn't even realize they filmed that. That's how much a cloud nine I was on hitting a hole in one. And I'll walk up there, the ball's in the hole.
And it just kind of went on from there. And so then the text that you got from all my buddies, what was funny is Jep immediately, he's like, well, there's no video. Well, there was a video they filmed me. Walking up to the house. Yeah, I didn't even realize they filmed that. That's how much a cloud nine I was on hitting a hole in one. And I'll walk up there, the ball's in the hole.
So I have that video.
So I have that video.
But Jep had an interesting response right off the top of his head. He gets the text, and he's like, well, since there's no evidence— That was after. There's no evidence of you actually hitting it. He said, I don't believe it. Yeah, anybody could do what you did. Skeptic.
But Jep had an interesting response right off the top of his head. He gets the text, and he's like, well, since there's no evidence— That was after. There's no evidence of you actually hitting it. He said, I don't believe it. Yeah, anybody could do what you did. Skeptic.
So Al saw what happened. That triggered, because we're in John 6 and 7. Mm-hmm. I said, well, let me give you some Bible, and I put Bible in all caps. I said, they relied on the testimony of at least two witnesses. And I said, I had more than two that saw it. And, of course, then Jep, thinking I was serious, I realized he was joking.
So Al saw what happened. That triggered, because we're in John 6 and 7. Mm-hmm. I said, well, let me give you some Bible, and I put Bible in all caps. I said, they relied on the testimony of at least two witnesses. And I said, I had more than two that saw it. And, of course, then Jep, thinking I was serious, I realized he was joking.
I was joking, but yet we had people who, in that text, that I thought maybe they need to hear how the Bible operates. Yeah. And so then Jep felt bad and he's like, no, you're an honorable, you're one of the most honorable people I know. And I forgot what he said. I was only kidding. Of course, I didn't say I was only kidding because I was not kidding.
I was joking, but yet we had people who, in that text, that I thought maybe they need to hear how the Bible operates. Yeah. And so then Jep felt bad and he's like, no, you're an honorable, you're one of the most honorable people I know. And I forgot what he said. I was only kidding. Of course, I didn't say I was only kidding because I was not kidding.
Because it made me think of what we've been studying. It's like... They didn't believe Jesus. I wanted to say they didn't believe Jesus either. Then I thought that may be too far.
Because it made me think of what we've been studying. It's like... They didn't believe Jesus. I wanted to say they didn't believe Jesus either. Then I thought that may be too far.
Those are not bad odds. I thought it would have been more than that. I mean, I've only hit three, and one of them was when I was – like 20. I mean, it was, I guess an average golfer.
Those are not bad odds. I thought it would have been more than that. I mean, I've only hit three, and one of them was when I was – like 20. I mean, it was, I guess an average golfer.
Well, you could say each one is born in the image of God, like humans.
Well, you could say each one is born in the image of God, like humans.
They're like, what'd you hit?
They're like, what'd you hit?
There was a little farmhouse, uh, goat wrench, which I wonder if that golf course is still there.
There was a little farmhouse, uh, goat wrench, which I wonder if that golf course is still there.
And they only had, uh, nine holes. And we were in a tournament. And my buddy was a really good golfer. And, uh, My only contribution of the day. But the wind was in our face and it was like 239 yards. And it was, I hit driver. Back then I had a big old slice. It was the ugliest shot. Little low slice that just was over the woods at one point. Come back, bounced about 14 times.
And they only had, uh, nine holes. And we were in a tournament. And my buddy was a really good golfer. And, uh, My only contribution of the day. But the wind was in our face and it was like 239 yards. And it was, I hit driver. Back then I had a big old slice. It was the ugliest shot. Little low slice that just was over the woods at one point. Come back, bounced about 14 times.
Obviously had to roll a long way. Rolled up the green. In the hole. It's in the hole. It's in the hole. And then I remember old Grover was in our group. We actually beat them, which my buddy did. That was my only contribution. But we won by one. Because they bogeyed the hole, and we made a one.
Obviously had to roll a long way. Rolled up the green. In the hole. It's in the hole. It's in the hole. And then I remember old Grover was in our group. We actually beat them, which my buddy did. That was my only contribution. But we won by one. Because they bogeyed the hole, and we made a one.
It's hard to choose a favorite. You heard a little bit of what happened to me. I had a viral sensation in the real world. When I say, because I don't do social media like most humans in the realm, but we had a real life experience. Viral sensation.
It's hard to choose a favorite. You heard a little bit of what happened to me. I had a viral sensation in the real world. When I say, because I don't do social media like most humans in the realm, but we had a real life experience. Viral sensation.
I hit a hole in one yesterday there, dude.
I hit a hole in one yesterday there, dude.
You know what's crazy, just to now give you some humility? Then I birdied the next hole. Yeah, you said you had three birdies. I was back to even after a triple bogey.
You know what's crazy, just to now give you some humility? Then I birdied the next hole. Yeah, you said you had three birdies. I was back to even after a triple bogey.
I made two other birdies, which one of them was the last hole. And you're like, so everybody says, what did you shoot? What did you shoot? And I said, I play by the hole. I had a hole in one and three birdies, but they couldn't stand it. They were like, yeah, but what did you shoot? I was like, I play by the hole. I said, there were four really good holes. I shot an 82.
I made two other birdies, which one of them was the last hole. And you're like, so everybody says, what did you shoot? What did you shoot? And I said, I play by the hole. I had a hole in one and three birdies, but they couldn't stand it. They were like, yeah, but what did you shoot? I was like, I play by the hole. I said, there were four really good holes. I shot an 82.
So the rest of the holes I went, so I'm from five under in four holes. In 14 holes, I was, do the math. Well, plus 10 plus the five, so plus 15. I was 15 over on the other 14 holes. That sounds like adult territory. It was an angry, volatile round filled with love and grace. That's fun.
So the rest of the holes I went, so I'm from five under in four holes. In 14 holes, I was, do the math. Well, plus 10 plus the five, so plus 15. I was 15 over on the other 14 holes. That sounds like adult territory. It was an angry, volatile round filled with love and grace. That's fun.
I know how this game works. You got Jace on the case right here. Call me later. If you don't want to do it in public, I mean... Call me later. Just tell me the story, but now you got to be ready to cut the baby in half or do what's right. That's a Solomon reference there.
I know how this game works. You got Jace on the case right here. Call me later. If you don't want to do it in public, I mean... Call me later. Just tell me the story, but now you got to be ready to cut the baby in half or do what's right. That's a Solomon reference there.
you go through the book of Ephesians, he brings up the kingdom in chapter 5, and just kind of apply this to marriage, because then in John 3, he's going to talk about being born again to see and enter the kingdom. So then he says, but among you, there are not... This is 5...
you go through the book of Ephesians, he brings up the kingdom in chapter 5, and just kind of apply this to marriage, because then in John 3, he's going to talk about being born again to see and enter the kingdom. So then he says, but among you, there are not... This is 5...
Three, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality or of any kind of impurity or of greed because these are improper for God's holy people, nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
Three, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality or of any kind of impurity or of greed because these are improper for God's holy people, nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
For this you can be sure no immoral, impure, greedy person, such a man as an idolater, has any inheritance, well, looky there, in the kingdom of Christ. And of God. Well, if you just apply that to your marriage, now he's talking big picture, us married to Christ through all of Ephesians. That's why when he gets to Ephesians 5, he lays down this foundation that Jesus, you both have an opportunity.
For this you can be sure no immoral, impure, greedy person, such a man as an idolater, has any inheritance, well, looky there, in the kingdom of Christ. And of God. Well, if you just apply that to your marriage, now he's talking big picture, us married to Christ through all of Ephesians. That's why when he gets to Ephesians 5, he lays down this foundation that Jesus, you both have an opportunity.
to play the role of Jesus in your roles. But then he unveils the mystery of what he's talking about all along. And it gets back to this, you both have the Spirit of God, you're married to Christ.
to play the role of Jesus in your roles. But then he unveils the mystery of what he's talking about all along. And it gets back to this, you both have the Spirit of God, you're married to Christ.
I just think it's fascinating that you see all these theme lines and the whole point of what I'm saying is your marriage in Christ and then you being married with another person should reflect the image of God.
I just think it's fascinating that you see all these theme lines and the whole point of what I'm saying is your marriage in Christ and then you being married with another person should reflect the image of God.
So we went off the rails. We did.
So we went off the rails. We did.
No, I said he's showing tendencies of that with all the hats and different things.
No, I said he's showing tendencies of that with all the hats and different things.
Yeah, and that's exactly the way I feel. Well, I've been married 34, and I think all this conversation takes me back to the garden. And you see, you know, God is the architect of marriage and being real specific about of, you know, it's like when President Trump signed this executive order declaring two genders. And I guess this hit me. I think I had Fox News up and it was like breaking news.
Yeah, and that's exactly the way I feel. Well, I've been married 34, and I think all this conversation takes me back to the garden. And you see, you know, God is the architect of marriage and being real specific about of, you know, it's like when President Trump signed this executive order declaring two genders. And I guess this hit me. I think I had Fox News up and it was like breaking news.
The president has declared the United States male and female. And I looked at my wife and I said, that news broke thousands of years ago.
The president has declared the United States male and female. And I looked at my wife and I said, that news broke thousands of years ago.
And I, I think I know why. I mean, God is eternal. Uh, And he knew that there's always going to be resistance, especially in the spiritual forces of evil, which is why I think your demon podcast did well. Well, because people know that it's out there. I mean, all you got to do is declare Jesus as Lord. And I listened to...
And I, I think I know why. I mean, God is eternal. Uh, And he knew that there's always going to be resistance, especially in the spiritual forces of evil, which is why I think your demon podcast did well. Well, because people know that it's out there. I mean, all you got to do is declare Jesus as Lord. And I listened to...
a couple of your podcasts just in prep of this and i thought oh there's going to be resistance because you're out loud and on purpose for jesus like we are but there's also resistance in marriage and it makes it makes me go back to that genesis 2 and 3 scene where you really see because we tend to have the hollywood view of oh i came to christ so now everything's going to be fantastic
a couple of your podcasts just in prep of this and i thought oh there's going to be resistance because you're out loud and on purpose for jesus like we are but there's also resistance in marriage and it makes it makes me go back to that genesis 2 and 3 scene where you really see because we tend to have the hollywood view of oh i came to christ so now everything's going to be fantastic
You know, until a couple days later when you face resistance and it becomes a process and a struggle that helps you grow and mature in Christ. But it's going to continue to happen. And the same thing happens in marriage. And then you see both of these things happening in the garden. where you're like, where was the breakdown here?
You know, until a couple days later when you face resistance and it becomes a process and a struggle that helps you grow and mature in Christ. But it's going to continue to happen. And the same thing happens in marriage. And then you see both of these things happening in the garden. where you're like, where was the breakdown here?
Because here's Eve having a toxic conversation with a demonic presence, the evil one. Because I'm like, well, where's Adam in all this? Why is he? Well, he's over there silent. Yeah, just why didn't you step up? And then the famous line when it's like, did God really say from the evil one?
Because here's Eve having a toxic conversation with a demonic presence, the evil one. Because I'm like, well, where's Adam in all this? Why is he? Well, he's over there silent. Yeah, just why didn't you step up? And then the famous line when it's like, did God really say from the evil one?
which is always going to be the question that we have to ask ourselves in marriage and in our walk with Christ. And that's where I really see these two things combining that you're hitting on. I mean, it is a daily walk as we mature and grow in our relationship and our marriage, and we all have those conflictual stories. You know, my background, they've shared theirs. No, we were different.
which is always going to be the question that we have to ask ourselves in marriage and in our walk with Christ. And that's where I really see these two things combining that you're hitting on. I mean, it is a daily walk as we mature and grow in our relationship and our marriage, and we all have those conflictual stories. You know, my background, they've shared theirs. No, we were different.
We were virgins when we got married. We basically had a Jesus-centered,
We were virgins when we got married. We basically had a Jesus-centered,
dating relationship and I tell people that because I use it to tell young people that God's way is always the best way because I wish I'd had somebody tell me it's okay not to have sex with a woman until you get married because all my friends were ridiculing me about that I mean it was just completely horrible but so I try to give young people you know encouragement of that but having said that so you would think oh it's all going to be rainbows and
dating relationship and I tell people that because I use it to tell young people that God's way is always the best way because I wish I'd had somebody tell me it's okay not to have sex with a woman until you get married because all my friends were ridiculing me about that I mean it was just completely horrible but so I try to give young people you know encouragement of that but having said that so you would think oh it's all going to be rainbows and
Oh, no. I mean, all of a sudden, I go out the first year of our marriage and share Jesus with everybody that I know. And you think, well, what could happen? Well, I just left her. I mean, our first year was terrible as far as our marriage. Because she was like, boy, you're really on fire for the Lord. But I'm getting... The worst of you when you come back and you're tired.
Oh, no. I mean, all of a sudden, I go out the first year of our marriage and share Jesus with everybody that I know. And you think, well, what could happen? Well, I just left her. I mean, our first year was terrible as far as our marriage. Because she was like, boy, you're really on fire for the Lord. But I'm getting... The worst of you when you come back and you're tired.
So it was a terrible way to start our marriage. At some point, we realized we're going to have to do this together. And so you work it out through the 34 years. But I was just going to get your take on how those two things go together in that there's always a struggle in your walk with the Lord and in your marriage.
So it was a terrible way to start our marriage. At some point, we realized we're going to have to do this together. And so you work it out through the 34 years. But I was just going to get your take on how those two things go together in that there's always a struggle in your walk with the Lord and in your marriage.
I actually own shares of Oracle. I bought this company years ago in my portfolio. And like a lot of companies, they have a lot of companies within the companies. And one of them happens to be NetSuite.
I actually own shares of Oracle. I bought this company years ago in my portfolio. And like a lot of companies, they have a lot of companies within the companies. And one of them happens to be NetSuite.
Waiting on a ride and a preacher. To get to my wedding.
Waiting on a ride and a preacher. To get to my wedding.
I will confess that I said the only memory I have of my state of mind was I looked at the situation and thought, I'll give this about a year. You'll give the wedding about, you'll give the marriage about a year. Well, I mean.
I will confess that I said the only memory I have of my state of mind was I looked at the situation and thought, I'll give this about a year. You'll give the wedding about, you'll give the marriage about a year. Well, I mean.
He does. That's exactly what I was thinking of when I said that. They both are given to tangents. And so it's like they're on something.
He does. That's exactly what I was thinking of when I said that. They both are given to tangents. And so it's like they're on something.
What are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
It wasn't tuxedos at my wedding. Let me clarify that. I did have a suit on. And I was clean-shaven.
It wasn't tuxedos at my wedding. Let me clarify that. I did have a suit on. And I was clean-shaven.
It was kind of a, you know, bring sacrifices to the altar before we get started.
It was kind of a, you know, bring sacrifices to the altar before we get started.
so if i'm not mistaken so i did the like opening part and then he did the part like the vows and all that is that right i think that's the way i don't remember but you know something like that isn't that something how you have trouble who did your wedding ray melton oh that was made me feel better yeah because he was more in line with kind of how my family functioned
so if i'm not mistaken so i did the like opening part and then he did the part like the vows and all that is that right i think that's the way i don't remember but you know something like that isn't that something how you have trouble who did your wedding ray melton oh that was made me feel better yeah because he was more in line with kind of how my family functioned
Well, that's what we did. We had the high-end wedding, but we had the preacher who was kind of a country guy from west Texas. And I thought he did a good job. It was real. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, basically, you don't really listen. Do you remember the wedding?
Well, that's what we did. We had the high-end wedding, but we had the preacher who was kind of a country guy from west Texas. And I thought he did a good job. It was real. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, basically, you don't really listen. Do you remember the wedding?
I mean, I just remember it was real practical and down to earth. But, you know, I was basically staring at my wife thinking. I do think when you're a virgin and you get married, it's a different dynamic because – What's fixing to happen is at the forefront of your mind. I'm just being completely honest here.
I mean, I just remember it was real practical and down to earth. But, you know, I was basically staring at my wife thinking. I do think when you're a virgin and you get married, it's a different dynamic because – What's fixing to happen is at the forefront of your mind. I'm just being completely honest here.
So now I was looking at her in a way of like. Yeah.
So now I was looking at her in a way of like. Yeah.
Well, it wasn't even that. It's not y'all are going typical male. It wasn't that. It was just like.
Well, it wasn't even that. It's not y'all are going typical male. It wasn't that. It was just like.
No, it's like something you fought the whole time you're dating. Yeah, now we're at the moment. I literally have already signed the papers before I got up here. And so I thought, technically, she is my wife. It just was a weird—that was my number one thought, is I thought, man, this woman is mine. And now I don't have that struggle.
No, it's like something you fought the whole time you're dating. Yeah, now we're at the moment. I literally have already signed the papers before I got up here. And so I thought, technically, she is my wife. It just was a weird—that was my number one thought, is I thought, man, this woman is mine. And now I don't have that struggle.
It's okay. Sometimes in life, you're in a room and a conversation comes up and you're like, what are they talking about? And everyone else knows the facts except the person. So it's.
It's okay. Sometimes in life, you're in a room and a conversation comes up and you're like, what are they talking about? And everyone else knows the facts except the person. So it's.
I mean, my dad, in the spirit of him, one of his favorite verses, which I actually— Had trouble finding him.
I mean, my dad, in the spirit of him, one of his favorite verses, which I actually— Had trouble finding him.
Yeah, you were there. My dad got up and he said... If you marry, you have not sinned. This is 1 Corinthians 7, 28. And imagine dad to hear this and like dad doing it.
Yeah, you were there. My dad got up and he said... If you marry, you have not sinned. This is 1 Corinthians 7, 28. And imagine dad to hear this and like dad doing it.
And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Of course, because now it's gotten awkward because everybody's thinking. What is he doing? Yeah. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life. And I want to spare you this.
And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Of course, because now it's gotten awkward because everybody's thinking. What is he doing? Yeah. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life. And I want to spare you this.
The more I thought about it is, and we'll talk about this with our guests, but marriage is, I had no idea. What this was, what was fixed to happen.
The more I thought about it is, and we'll talk about this with our guests, but marriage is, I had no idea. What this was, what was fixed to happen.
And, you know, I thought, of course, when you're 21, you think you know everything anyway. And you know nothing. You just, there's no, I mean, we did premarital counseling, which I've shared that story before, which they basically, when we did our, what do you call that? Compatibility test.
And, you know, I thought, of course, when you're 21, you think you know everything anyway. And you know nothing. You just, there's no, I mean, we did premarital counseling, which I've shared that story before, which they basically, when we did our, what do you call that? Compatibility test.
Well, the conclusion of our compatibility test was don't get married. You're incompatible. Yeah, and so he was asking me how my prayer life was. And so I thought, huh. But, you know, Phil, really, that is a point. You get thrust into this, and it becomes this process that's ever-changing. And I really believe the more you study is that you just start growing from there.
Well, the conclusion of our compatibility test was don't get married. You're incompatible. Yeah, and so he was asking me how my prayer life was. And so I thought, huh. But, you know, Phil, really, that is a point. You get thrust into this, and it becomes this process that's ever-changing. And I really believe the more you study is that you just start growing from there.
You can either grow apart or you can grow together. And all these obstacles that happen, which are going to happen in the future. It's like a new normal. It's like a new normal. It's a new normal. It's a new normal. But I read that in 1 Corinthians 7.
You can either grow apart or you can grow together. And all these obstacles that happen, which are going to happen in the future. It's like a new normal. It's like a new normal. It's a new normal. It's a new normal. But I read that in 1 Corinthians 7.
What I find interesting, to go back to John 2, is so he does this sign at this wedding, and we mention the significance of us being married to Jesus and how maybe that was a foreshadowing of new creation.
What I find interesting, to go back to John 2, is so he does this sign at this wedding, and we mention the significance of us being married to Jesus and how maybe that was a foreshadowing of new creation.
So you also see that here in 1 Corinthians 6, right before that. I mean, the whole chapter 7 of 1 Corinthians, it talks about all these different arrangements, and he addresses them all. But, you know, that comes on the heels of 1 Corinthians 6 about the temple, your body being the temple of the Holy Spirit. And you remember 6, what is that, 18, that says... Flee from sexual immorality.
So you also see that here in 1 Corinthians 6, right before that. I mean, the whole chapter 7 of 1 Corinthians, it talks about all these different arrangements, and he addresses them all. But, you know, that comes on the heels of 1 Corinthians 6 about the temple, your body being the temple of the Holy Spirit. And you remember 6, what is that, 18, that says... Flee from sexual immorality.
All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. And then it says this. This is 1 Corinthians 6, 19. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you've received from God? You are not your own. You were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your body. Well, just like John says,
All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. And then it says this. This is 1 Corinthians 6, 19. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you've received from God? You are not your own. You were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your body. Well, just like John says,
You don't have to know all the colors. He's not a man to be trifled with. That's what we know about. Don't run up on him in a dark alley and think you're supposed to do something.
You don't have to know all the colors. He's not a man to be trifled with. That's what we know about. Don't run up on him in a dark alley and think you're supposed to do something.
It went to the temple in thought just as Jesus cleared out the temple. And then they're like asking for this sign that he has this authority, which is really what the beginning of John is all about. is Jesus who he claims to be? Who do you think Jesus is, and where does he get this authority?
It went to the temple in thought just as Jesus cleared out the temple. And then they're like asking for this sign that he has this authority, which is really what the beginning of John is all about. is Jesus who he claims to be? Who do you think Jesus is, and where does he get this authority?
And so you see by his first two signs in quotations, because even though the temple, there was no miracle in that, he cleared it out, but then he makes this statement in reference to the question, what is the sign that you have authority to do this?
And so you see by his first two signs in quotations, because even though the temple, there was no miracle in that, he cleared it out, but then he makes this statement in reference to the question, what is the sign that you have authority to do this?
And he said, destroy this temple, and I'll raise it in three days. So you fast forward to what Paul said in Ephesians 2, where it says that—we didn't read this last time, but it is such a profound verse. The reason I'm going to Ephesians is because that's where we go to talk about marriage. That's the most—In Ephesians 5. But in Ephesians 2, when he says you're members of God's household—
And he said, destroy this temple, and I'll raise it in three days. So you fast forward to what Paul said in Ephesians 2, where it says that—we didn't read this last time, but it is such a profound verse. The reason I'm going to Ephesians is because that's where we go to talk about marriage. That's the most—In Ephesians 5. But in Ephesians 2, when he says you're members of God's household—
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with jesus christ himself as his chief cornerstone in him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the lord yeah and so even that when you uh
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with jesus christ himself as his chief cornerstone in him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the lord yeah and so even that when you uh
That was a proud moment.
That was a proud moment.
I didn't break down until then. Four members of our family. I guess they're all in their early 20s. Yep. Pretty impressive. They were amazing.
I didn't break down until then. Four members of our family. I guess they're all in their early 20s. Yep. Pretty impressive. They were amazing.
And the fact that they just stepped into the moment, you know? I mean, and they were, I said, man, were you nervous? And she was like, oh, I was so nervous. I said, I could not tell. I mean, like, you just look like you just nailed it. And I got so lost in the worship, which I rarely do when I'm speaking, because I'm usually thinking about what I got to do. And I was up next after that.
And the fact that they just stepped into the moment, you know? I mean, and they were, I said, man, were you nervous? And she was like, oh, I was so nervous. I said, I could not tell. I mean, like, you just look like you just nailed it. And I got so lost in the worship, which I rarely do when I'm speaking, because I'm usually thinking about what I got to do. And I was up next after that.
I got lost in it. It was just a... praise. It was amazing.
I got lost in it. It was just a... praise. It was amazing.
That was kind of what I based my speech on because, uh, You know, you asked me to talk about his hunting. Al kind of gave us categories that I don't think any of us followed real closely.
That was kind of what I based my speech on because, uh, You know, you asked me to talk about his hunting. Al kind of gave us categories that I don't think any of us followed real closely.
It's a lot like this podcast, Zach.
It's a lot like this podcast, Zach.
It was so uplifting. And I asked Reed this morning when, uh, welcome Reed. Sorry. I hadn't already done that. Um, but we, uh, we, we wanted, I was like, Reed, what do you think? And, and I don't know, tell what you said.
It was so uplifting. And I asked Reed this morning when, uh, welcome Reed. Sorry. I hadn't already done that. Um, but we, uh, we, we wanted, I was like, Reed, what do you think? And, and I don't know, tell what you said.
Well, I think it's people.
Well, I think it's people.
As normal human beings, we tend to compartmentalize our life. It's like you have church, and then you have your business, and you have... But I was like, even what's behind all the thoughts when he was running the business and even in the duck hunts, well, it was all just a platform to get people to consider God in Jesus Christ. And that's why I said, really...
As normal human beings, we tend to compartmentalize our life. It's like you have church, and then you have your business, and you have... But I was like, even what's behind all the thoughts when he was running the business and even in the duck hunts, well, it was all just a platform to get people to consider God in Jesus Christ. And that's why I said, really...
When you think about, I asked a question because people ask me probably that question in the hunting world more than anything. What's it like to hunt with Phil? And my answer was intense. Yeah. Because most people that come hunting. It's not for the faint of heart. Most people that come hunting with us, they don't have a pleasurable experience.
When you think about, I asked a question because people ask me probably that question in the hunting world more than anything. What's it like to hunt with Phil? And my answer was intense. Yeah. Because most people that come hunting. It's not for the faint of heart. Most people that come hunting with us, they don't have a pleasurable experience.
Me and Phil, because they're like, well, they're way too serious. But the intensity, it was not just. Judgmental maybe? It was not just to do this as well as you can do it.
Me and Phil, because they're like, well, they're way too serious. But the intensity, it was not just. Judgmental maybe? It was not just to do this as well as you can do it.
Harsh. At the heart of it was those conversations. And I made the point, you know, I've hunted with Phil. for 50 years and do you realize how many conversations that I was privy to in 50 years over three months out of the year and then you throw in the other nine months we're sitting beside each other in a duck call room well they all centered around
Harsh. At the heart of it was those conversations. And I made the point, you know, I've hunted with Phil. for 50 years and do you realize how many conversations that I was privy to in 50 years over three months out of the year and then you throw in the other nine months we're sitting beside each other in a duck call room well they all centered around
And I broke it down to the two camps that mankind is in. You're either running with the devil or you're running with the Lord. And there's no middle ground. So he would always start off those conversations, which Reed kind of touched on it. We'd be sitting in the blind, and we'd have somebody there who he didn't know. At some point, he'd say, what's your story?
And I broke it down to the two camps that mankind is in. You're either running with the devil or you're running with the Lord. And there's no middle ground. So he would always start off those conversations, which Reed kind of touched on it. We'd be sitting in the blind, and we'd have somebody there who he didn't know. At some point, he'd say, what's your story?
Well, I know what's fixed to happen. This guy doesn't realize that it's an altar call and you're fixed to confess your sins. Because the way Phil's mind works is he would read a verse that says, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Well, he knows that's to be true. So when he says, what's your story?
Well, I know what's fixed to happen. This guy doesn't realize that it's an altar call and you're fixed to confess your sins. Because the way Phil's mind works is he would read a verse that says, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Well, he knows that's to be true. So when he says, what's your story?
If you try to deny whatever you've been doing, and he would call it cutting up. And he had a little phrase that, you know, it's kind of PG-13, you know. Getting in their britches, that one. You're out there getting drunk, smoking dope.
If you try to deny whatever you've been doing, and he would call it cutting up. And he had a little phrase that, you know, it's kind of PG-13, you know. Getting in their britches, that one. You're out there getting drunk, smoking dope.
He'd say, I know you've been out there getting in that old gal's britches. And who else would say that? And, like, the person would be like, yeah.
He'd say, I know you've been out there getting in that old gal's britches. And who else would say that? And, like, the person would be like, yeah.
As the Bible is, by the way. Well, especially in a duck blind. Yeah. You're out there with men and, you know.
As the Bible is, by the way. Well, especially in a duck blind. Yeah. You're out there with men and, you know.
We would say locker room duck. Yeah.
We would say locker room duck. Yeah.
What's funny is when I've hunted on public ground, I've heard, you know, you'd be close enough to hear the conversations. And, you know, Phil would be with us. And it was interesting. You know, they're telling dirty jokes and just it's four little words after every little sentence, you know, and they're laughing and cutting up. And here you have a different count.
What's funny is when I've hunted on public ground, I've heard, you know, you'd be close enough to hear the conversations. And, you know, Phil would be with us. And it was interesting. You know, they're telling dirty jokes and just it's four little words after every little sentence, you know, and they're laughing and cutting up. And here you have a different count.
And it's all, you're talking about that, ain't nobody laughing. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, guilty. But my dad would always, you'd think, well, why would that not be offensive? Because then Bill would tell about his life. And he would say, hey, I've been commode, hugging drunk. I was chasing, you know, women of the evening. Yeah, and he would have complete sound effects.
And it's all, you're talking about that, ain't nobody laughing. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, guilty. But my dad would always, you'd think, well, why would that not be offensive? Because then Bill would tell about his life. And he would say, hey, I've been commode, hugging drunk. I was chasing, you know, women of the evening. Yeah, and he would have complete sound effects.
He did it over and over. That was one of Willie's jokes yesterday, which he landed many funny ones. He said, I know we got a lot of doctors in the room, but my dad could rattle off more venereal diseases than all of y'all combined.
He did it over and over. That was one of Willie's jokes yesterday, which he landed many funny ones. He said, I know we got a lot of doctors in the room, but my dad could rattle off more venereal diseases than all of y'all combined.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And then look, then he would get to their physical death. He would go through that, which they don't realize. I know where this is headed.
And then look, then he would get to their physical death. He would go through that, which they don't realize. I know where this is headed.
And he would start, he'd get their thoughts on, how do you feel about Don? That's why he came up with all these clever lines. I mean, one that he said for years that I've used that people always laugh at, you know, because it might be a guy,
And he would start, he'd get their thoughts on, how do you feel about Don? That's why he came up with all these clever lines. I mean, one that he said for years that I've used that people always laugh at, you know, because it might be a guy,
you know sitting in the blind it works out and eats right you know he just thinks he's on top of the world you know muscle mania and he's always like muscle mania well hey you'll die healthy but you're going down and you know six feet under you remember the famous story about him working out of the church building and the guy who worked out everybody knew who he was because he looked like arnold schwarzenegger before arnold schwarzenegger was a thing i guess it's just the bodybuilder and
you know sitting in the blind it works out and eats right you know he just thinks he's on top of the world you know muscle mania and he's always like muscle mania well hey you'll die healthy but you're going down and you know six feet under you remember the famous story about him working out of the church building and the guy who worked out everybody knew who he was because he looked like arnold schwarzenegger before arnold schwarzenegger was a thing i guess it's just the bodybuilder and
I mean, he simply walked by in the parking lot, and my dad was like, whoo-hoo. He had his little sound effect. He's like, whoo, you got some muscles.
I mean, he simply walked by in the parking lot, and my dad was like, whoo-hoo. He had his little sound effect. He's like, whoo, you got some muscles.
Quite the physique.
Quite the physique.
Yeah. Boy, you're quite a special. So he stopped, you know, and was like. And then all of a sudden, the chest starts to flap. Like a peacock, you've got to put the feathers out. Yeah, he's like, thank you for acknowledging my presence. And my dad said, how are you going to get it out of the ground? And he went, excuse me? He's like, I don't know. How are you getting that body out of the ground?
Yeah. Boy, you're quite a special. So he stopped, you know, and was like. And then all of a sudden, the chest starts to flap. Like a peacock, you've got to put the feathers out. Yeah, he's like, thank you for acknowledging my presence. And my dad said, how are you going to get it out of the ground? And he went, excuse me? He's like, I don't know. How are you getting that body out of the ground?
Because it's going in there at some point. And he was just looking at him, dumbfounded. He said, come down to the house tomorrow. Come on down to the house. And I'll tell you. And the next day, he showed up. But what I told Phil, I said, well, he doesn't even know where you live. He said, if he's serious about it, he'll figure it out. And sure enough, he showed up.
Because it's going in there at some point. And he was just looking at him, dumbfounded. He said, come down to the house tomorrow. Come on down to the house. And I'll tell you. And the next day, he showed up. But what I told Phil, I said, well, he doesn't even know where you live. He said, if he's serious about it, he'll figure it out. And sure enough, he showed up.
Yeah, it was something. I had to kind of detach myself because Phil had this famous line that he said many times, when I die, don't cry. You can sing, you can dance, you can do a little jig, but I made it. And he was real emphatic about that. So we kind of came up with a plan, which was interesting when we met. The plan that we came up with, we didn't really do.
Yeah, it was something. I had to kind of detach myself because Phil had this famous line that he said many times, when I die, don't cry. You can sing, you can dance, you can do a little jig, but I made it. And he was real emphatic about that. So we kind of came up with a plan, which was interesting when we met. The plan that we came up with, we didn't really do.
And what I thought was fascinating about that story is an hour into the discussion, here's this guy who at one time was flexing his muscles. His tears are flowing down his face. It all started in a conversation walking by saying, hey, get the body out of the ground. And so even I thought about bringing this up in my speech about when we had the controversy over the show and all.
And what I thought was fascinating about that story is an hour into the discussion, here's this guy who at one time was flexing his muscles. His tears are flowing down his face. It all started in a conversation walking by saying, hey, get the body out of the ground. And so even I thought about bringing this up in my speech about when we had the controversy over the show and all.
But I remember my dad's first take on that when they were like, oh, there's a controversy. He's like, about what? He's like, well, he did an interview. He's like, oh, boy, he was asking me the question. He asked me what sin was. I was quoting Bible verses. Yeah.
But I remember my dad's first take on that when they were like, oh, there's a controversy. He's like, about what? He's like, well, he did an interview. He's like, oh, boy, he was asking me the question. He asked me what sin was. I was quoting Bible verses. Yeah.
He was like, where would you go if someone asked you about sin?
He was like, where would you go if someone asked you about sin?
I was like, Phil, I get it. They took the stuff out of the context. But you know what he was so upset about, about the whole thing? He was like, well, they left out the good news. Because I was at that interview. You know, he went through the gospel. In his mind, he was like, well, you just focused on the bad news. I got to the good news, and nobody ever... ever addressed that.
I was like, Phil, I get it. They took the stuff out of the context. But you know what he was so upset about, about the whole thing? He was like, well, they left out the good news. Because I was at that interview. You know, he went through the gospel. In his mind, he was like, well, you just focused on the bad news. I got to the good news, and nobody ever... ever addressed that.
And so that's what all those, you know, that's what stands out in my mind when I looked at his life as a whole. In the Doug blind, it actually was just the perfect backdrop to have a conversation about what's meaningful in life. And I made a point, you know, when I spoke that I think since Phil encountered God, and not in a church religious setting, and I'm using that in quotation, air quotes,
And so that's what all those, you know, that's what stands out in my mind when I looked at his life as a whole. In the Doug blind, it actually was just the perfect backdrop to have a conversation about what's meaningful in life. And I made a point, you know, when I spoke that I think since Phil encountered God, and not in a church religious setting, and I'm using that in quotation, air quotes,
It was more just kind of like Paul. When Paul was salt, he's just living, running with the devil. And all of a sudden, he hears the thrilling news of Jesus. He happens to be in a bar. And the one thing that was really hurting in his life was because even though he was just running wide open, he had lost his family. They were separated, and that's why you're having this intervention.
It was more just kind of like Paul. When Paul was salt, he's just living, running with the devil. And all of a sudden, he hears the thrilling news of Jesus. He happens to be in a bar. And the one thing that was really hurting in his life was because even though he was just running wide open, he had lost his family. They were separated, and that's why you're having this intervention.
Which is really what the Bible is about, God getting his family back. And he was so thrilled by it. I think that thrill, and God used that in that moment, it never went away, which is why he continually talked about it. And I was going to do an illustration, because one of his favorite songs was B.B. King, The Thrill Is Gone. Mm-hmm. But he lived the exact opposite of that.
Which is really what the Bible is about, God getting his family back. And he was so thrilled by it. I think that thrill, and God used that in that moment, it never went away, which is why he continually talked about it. And I was going to do an illustration, because one of his favorite songs was B.B. King, The Thrill Is Gone. Mm-hmm. But he lived the exact opposite of that.
The thrill never left in Jesus. And so I think it was an interesting way to depict what he was thinking. And then when I went to the duck calls, I kind of did the same thing. Like all his ideas... weren't to sell duck calls. I mean, obviously, he was like, yeah, this is fun. We're making money doing what we love. But it was always some connection to something about God that he thought was cool.
The thrill never left in Jesus. And so I think it was an interesting way to depict what he was thinking. And then when I went to the duck calls, I kind of did the same thing. Like all his ideas... weren't to sell duck calls. I mean, obviously, he was like, yeah, this is fun. We're making money doing what we love. But it was always some connection to something about God that he thought was cool.
I did a couple illustrations. One of them was with the pintail whistle. Because I was there the first day when he realized he had a whistle that sounded like a pintail. He wasn't saying, oh, we're fixing to sell thousands of these. He was like... I discovered the use of a body part that nobody has discovered. God gave us a uvula.
I did a couple illustrations. One of them was with the pintail whistle. Because I was there the first day when he realized he had a whistle that sounded like a pintail. He wasn't saying, oh, we're fixing to sell thousands of these. He was like... I discovered the use of a body part that nobody has discovered. God gave us a uvula.
And then I went through his little speech about that, which he's given many times.
And then I went through his little speech about that, which he's given many times.
Look in the mirror. Open your mouth. You see that little piece hanging there? You always wonder what that was for? It used to sound like a penta. Flutter your uvula.
Look in the mirror. Open your mouth. You see that little piece hanging there? You always wonder what that was for? It used to sound like a penta. Flutter your uvula.
Well, my point was, and I think people, they were having a hard time wrapping their head around because that was his mindset. He was like, that's why God gave you a uvula, and I figured it out. It's a pintail. He was so excited about that. It was because of the connection with God. It makes great conversation at the end of the day. And so that's kind of how he lived his life.
Well, my point was, and I think people, they were having a hard time wrapping their head around because that was his mindset. He was like, that's why God gave you a uvula, and I figured it out. It's a pintail. He was so excited about that. It was because of the connection with God. It makes great conversation at the end of the day. And so that's kind of how he lived his life.
Everything was a platform.
Everything was a platform.
We were going to do two services, like one for the family, and then we were going to do a public thing just because the outpouring was so massive, which was kind of shocking, I think, to everybody, everyone. I mean, look, I knew Phil's famous, but... I mean, I had hundreds of texts. So you started getting into hundreds.
We were going to do two services, like one for the family, and then we were going to do a public thing just because the outpouring was so massive, which was kind of shocking, I think, to everybody, everyone. I mean, look, I knew Phil's famous, but... I mean, I had hundreds of texts. So you started getting into hundreds.
Oh, he wouldn't say it.
Oh, he wouldn't say it.
Yeah, if you said that, he would chastise you. Well, that's why I told you, my whole conversion, I mean, I wrapped it up in there because it was true. When he preached for the first time, which was seven years after he came to the Lord, in a church building. I didn't know if you remember that.
Yeah, if you said that, he would chastise you. Well, that's why I told you, my whole conversion, I mean, I wrapped it up in there because it was true. When he preached for the first time, which was seven years after he came to the Lord, in a church building. I didn't know if you remember that.
I'm not sure I was even there.
I'm not sure I was even there.
Well, the only reason I remember it is because a week later, I came to the Lord. Right after that. I think I was gone. I think that was during my prodigal. Because I thought he was nervous about it. Yeah. You know, because I was – you've got to remember at that stage of my life, I was 14 years old.
Well, the only reason I remember it is because a week later, I came to the Lord. Right after that. I think I was gone. I think that was during my prodigal. Because I thought he was nervous about it. Yeah. You know, because I was – you've got to remember at that stage of my life, I was 14 years old.
I was still – even though my dad had been a Christian for seven years, and I think you maybe – I can't remember which brother talked about that. No, I think you did. It was bumpy.
I was still – even though my dad had been a Christian for seven years, and I think you maybe – I can't remember which brother talked about that. No, I think you did. It was bumpy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I saw Willie said that. And I really – I'm glad you said that. It makes me think of that verse in Galatians 4 where it says, until Christ is formed in you. You know, there is a process. I was talking about the transition to transformation. That's what you said. It was a good line because –
I saw Willie said that. And I really – I'm glad you said that. It makes me think of that verse in Galatians 4 where it says, until Christ is formed in you. You know, there is a process. I was talking about the transition to transformation. That's what you said. It was a good line because –
What's fascinating about the way God works is he uses you despite you being immature in him as you're growing and learning. And Phil just, you know, he never stopped sharing Jesus. But as he got older, you started seeing more of the love of Christ and the character of God. Even in his last few months, I mean, he was doing things that were downright syrupy. Yeah. if I may say, with the grandkids.
What's fascinating about the way God works is he uses you despite you being immature in him as you're growing and learning. And Phil just, you know, he never stopped sharing Jesus. But as he got older, you started seeing more of the love of Christ and the character of God. Even in his last few months, I mean, he was doing things that were downright syrupy. Yeah. if I may say, with the grandkids.
them you know that's right that's why i read the text in first john which if you watch the funeral you'll see the way i did it i i centered it around the verse which is hard to wrap your head around that whoever wants to claim to live in christ must walk as jesus did right and as a young christian when i read that i thought well that's impossible I can't do that. What does that mean? I didn't.
them you know that's right that's why i read the text in first john which if you watch the funeral you'll see the way i did it i i centered it around the verse which is hard to wrap your head around that whoever wants to claim to live in christ must walk as jesus did right and as a young christian when i read that i thought well that's impossible I can't do that. What does that mean? I didn't.
But if you read the whole book of John, so I chose a chapter, which kind of went with our theme, and I didn't even know what the theme was, with the worship songs and love one another and there's no fear in love.
But if you read the whole book of John, so I chose a chapter, which kind of went with our theme, and I didn't even know what the theme was, with the worship songs and love one another and there's no fear in love.
Everything was so compartmentalized, but the Holy Spirit was obviously working because it all blended so well.
Everything was so compartmentalized, but the Holy Spirit was obviously working because it all blended so well.
Exactly. I thought... I've randomly come up with the verse that backed up the songs because Phil, he had a lack of fear. You know, Reed mentioned that, you know, even having the conversation with, he was a car salesman or whatever, you know, there is a fear that comes up. That's why people don't want to have difficult conversations.
Exactly. I thought... I've randomly come up with the verse that backed up the songs because Phil, he had a lack of fear. You know, Reed mentioned that, you know, even having the conversation with, he was a car salesman or whatever, you know, there is a fear that comes up. That's why people don't want to have difficult conversations.
But when you look at what Jesus' life was about, he had very difficult conversations.
But when you look at what Jesus' life was about, he had very difficult conversations.
I mean, hundreds like it was ringing on your phone like you were at a pinball machine. It caused me a little concern because a lot of them, they weren't in my phone. I'm like, how did you get my number? Who are you? I had a lot of those. I would just say, thanks, bud. There were several I didn't know either, and I was just like, I knew them, but I had several of them.
I mean, hundreds like it was ringing on your phone like you were at a pinball machine. It caused me a little concern because a lot of them, they weren't in my phone. I'm like, how did you get my number? Who are you? I had a lot of those. I would just say, thanks, bud. There were several I didn't know either, and I was just like, I knew them, but I had several of them.
He didn't care about making people mad, glad, or sad, because he did every time he had a conversation with them. He spoke the truth in love. That's what he did. And so I made the point that, Phil, after a while, it hit me that this is God living in him. This is Jesus living in him. And I said something I thought might be controversial, but I was like, I know we're calling this the funeral.
He didn't care about making people mad, glad, or sad, because he did every time he had a conversation with them. He spoke the truth in love. That's what he did. And so I made the point that, Phil, after a while, it hit me that this is God living in him. This is Jesus living in him. And I said something I thought might be controversial, but I was like, I know we're calling this the funeral.
I was like... Phil Robertson's funeral happened when he was 28. Yeah. Because I saw a person die.
I was like... Phil Robertson's funeral happened when he was 28. Yeah. Because I saw a person die.
And that person needed to die because I had bitterness toward that person. And that's why I said when he was given his first speech, and since it was so bumpy – I had some bitterness toward my dad, but mostly how he treated mom when we were little kids, not so much us, I guess. And so I just, you know, there was just trauma, bitterness, whatever you want to call it.
And that person needed to die because I had bitterness toward that person. And that's why I said when he was given his first speech, and since it was so bumpy – I had some bitterness toward my dad, but mostly how he treated mom when we were little kids, not so much us, I guess. And so I just, you know, there was just trauma, bitterness, whatever you want to call it.
I'm sure a child psychologist would figure it out. Yeah. And so I kept thinking. It's why you're the way you are now, James. Yeah, I was like, he'll never last. He'll never last. But what really turned the corner, and I think God used him, when he preached that sermon, I was so shocked that the name of it was The Bad News and The Good News.
I'm sure a child psychologist would figure it out. Yeah. And so I kept thinking. It's why you're the way you are now, James. Yeah, I was like, he'll never last. He'll never last. But what really turned the corner, and I think God used him, when he preached that sermon, I was so shocked that the name of it was The Bad News and The Good News.
And it was the same sermon that I had heard hundreds of times in the living room that he would share with people. And in the duck blind, I thought, well, he just did the same thing he always does. I was fascinated. I thought, oh, we're fixing to hear. Because I was thinking, we're at a church now. I'm fixing to hear some deep. No, it was just the story of Jesus. He basically told about his path.
And it was the same sermon that I had heard hundreds of times in the living room that he would share with people. And in the duck blind, I thought, well, he just did the same thing he always does. I was fascinated. I thought, oh, we're fixing to hear. Because I was thinking, we're at a church now. I'm fixing to hear some deep. No, it was just the story of Jesus. He basically told about his path.
And it really had an impact on me. And I thought. Because it was the same thing he'd been living. That's right. You're like, there's no difference between... It's the same thing. He'd been talking and living, and I thought, I think I need to look into this. Wow. And he had made a mention about, you need to know who Jesus is. So I just, I read the book of John.
And it really had an impact on me. And I thought. Because it was the same thing he'd been living. That's right. You're like, there's no difference between... It's the same thing. He'd been talking and living, and I thought, I think I need to look into this. Wow. And he had made a mention about, you need to know who Jesus is. So I just, I read the book of John.
And I was kind of trying to get around it. I was, I remember just reading it, thinking, eh, you know, what does that mean? I... But the more I read, and actually when I got to John 21, because I was into fishing at 14, that's all I cared about was hunting and fishing. And I thought, now he came back from the dead. Why would he go catch a bunch of fish?
And I was kind of trying to get around it. I was, I remember just reading it, thinking, eh, you know, what does that mean? I... But the more I read, and actually when I got to John 21, because I was into fishing at 14, that's all I cared about was hunting and fishing. And I thought, now he came back from the dead. Why would he go catch a bunch of fish?
So then it got into how, if all these people show up, where are they going to be?
So then it got into how, if all these people show up, where are they going to be?
I mean, you just got to remember, at 14 years old, this was like, why would he do that? And I thought, because it's the most fun thing you can do. And he did it with people he used to do that with. And I thought, how exciting.
I mean, you just got to remember, at 14 years old, this was like, why would he do that? And I thought, because it's the most fun thing you can do. And he did it with people he used to do that with. And I thought, how exciting.
like he died and they're like oh it's all over and now he went and the first thing he did was what i would do i was like let's y'all want to go fishing and then it just kind of hit me they're eating fish with a guy that used to be dead yeah and i don't know in that moment i thought if there's a way to live forever i think this is it and it kind of broke me and i went in there and i was like well you know bill i've
like he died and they're like oh it's all over and now he went and the first thing he did was what i would do i was like let's y'all want to go fishing and then it just kind of hit me they're eating fish with a guy that used to be dead yeah and i don't know in that moment i thought if there's a way to live forever i think this is it and it kind of broke me and i went in there and i was like well you know bill i've
I've come to a conclusion. I think I realize why you changed your life. And he was, you know, of course, Phil was like, yeah. I mean, everything was like, yeah, where you been?
I've come to a conclusion. I think I realize why you changed your life. And he was, you know, of course, Phil was like, yeah. I mean, everything was like, yeah, where you been?
Jason was really nervous about that in the early planning stage.
Jason was really nervous about that in the early planning stage.
So basically what we did, wrong or right, is we just, at the church building where my parents lived, called home, I guess, you know, the very, Al, you made a good point in the funeral episode the very building that my dad, you know, gave his life to Christ. In the very room, yeah. Yeah, in the very room is where we did the ceremony.
So basically what we did, wrong or right, is we just, at the church building where my parents lived, called home, I guess, you know, the very, Al, you made a good point in the funeral episode the very building that my dad, you know, gave his life to Christ. In the very room, yeah. Yeah, in the very room is where we did the ceremony.
That is funny now that I think about it.
That is funny now that I think about it.
Which is why we've compared him a lot on here to John the Baptist. To me, it has that same feel, the wilderness, the out there, the holy ground being where the Holy Spirit is. And it's funny, Jase, my experience was so different from yours. And yet it was another aspect of dad. So mine, and I just briefly mentioned it yesterday, but
Which is why we've compared him a lot on here to John the Baptist. To me, it has that same feel, the wilderness, the out there, the holy ground being where the Holy Spirit is. And it's funny, Jase, my experience was so different from yours. And yet it was another aspect of dad. So mine, and I just briefly mentioned it yesterday, but
I was a prodigal, so I followed the bad footstep, like what I saw, what I was raised with, and the evil one got to me at 14.
I was a prodigal, so I followed the bad footstep, like what I saw, what I was raised with, and the evil one got to me at 14.
And in your defense, even though none of us truly have a defense, I mean, you were five years older than me. Right. And you were put in charge at too young of an age. Exactly. I mean, you basically raised us for a few years.
And in your defense, even though none of us truly have a defense, I mean, you were five years older than me. Right. And you were put in charge at too young of an age. Exactly. I mean, you basically raised us for a few years.
And now you see what happened. But so my experience at 18 – to come back home and very much like the story in Luke 15, dad, his grace and his acceptance and his lack of Like, well, here's the rules and here's the way it's going to be. He just, you know, he just embraced me and I didn't expect it. Like I thought.
And now you see what happened. But so my experience at 18 – to come back home and very much like the story in Luke 15, dad, his grace and his acceptance and his lack of Like, well, here's the rules and here's the way it's going to be. He just, you know, he just embraced me and I didn't expect it. Like I thought.
I didn't either. I was shocked. I know. And I was like, get the rocks out.
I didn't either. I was shocked. I know. And I was like, get the rocks out.
In our story, Jason's the older brother, even though he's the younger brother. We've talked about this.
In our story, Jason's the older brother, even though he's the younger brother. We've talked about this.
Well, I was, but it was just so, you know. When you're young, from my age perspective, you had done so many vile things in my presence. You were sneaking from Phil and Kate. Well, you didn't know. You thought, well, he's back, but he ain't changing. Oh, I was like, this dude, string him up. It's over.
Well, I was, but it was just so, you know. When you're young, from my age perspective, you had done so many vile things in my presence. You were sneaking from Phil and Kate. Well, you didn't know. You thought, well, he's back, but he ain't changing. Oh, I was like, this dude, string him up. It's over.
Thank the Lord that Jace wasn't the one. But anyway, so dad has this perspective of grace. And so that obviously then has impacted me as a man because then I plugged in to where Jace is talking about. We had this little group of people there together. And I'm brand new. But I was the only one raised in a church. I grew up in church because their preacher took me all the time.
Thank the Lord that Jace wasn't the one. But anyway, so dad has this perspective of grace. And so that obviously then has impacted me as a man because then I plugged in to where Jace is talking about. We had this little group of people there together. And I'm brand new. But I was the only one raised in a church. I grew up in church because their preacher took me all the time.
And Jan had an influence. So all that came back out, and then all of a sudden I realized it's like, man, we get to do this together. And so, I mean, my whole life has been a ministry partnership inside the family and mostly with mom and dad. I mean, from 18 to right up until yesterday. And the blessing of getting to do that and all the groups, there was a couple there yesterday that...
And Jan had an influence. So all that came back out, and then all of a sudden I realized it's like, man, we get to do this together. And so, I mean, my whole life has been a ministry partnership inside the family and mostly with mom and dad. I mean, from 18 to right up until yesterday. And the blessing of getting to do that and all the groups, there was a couple there yesterday that...
And we didn't, like, that wasn't the original. We didn't know what we were going to do. So it's like we were just guided to this spot. And it hit me the day before when I was, I looked at, you know, walked in there and was looking. We were prepping and, you know, people were rehearsing. They're singing and stuff. And I just, it just, like, was so overwhelming in the moment. I thought.
And we didn't, like, that wasn't the original. We didn't know what we were going to do. So it's like we were just guided to this spot. And it hit me the day before when I was, I looked at, you know, walked in there and was looking. We were prepping and, you know, people were rehearsing. They're singing and stuff. And I just, it just, like, was so overwhelming in the moment. I thought.
We used to drive to Alexandria every Thursday night, remember, and have a house church down there with these people because we were baptizing like crazy in hotel swimming pools. I mean, that was just something that the Lord just – it was a wave that came through, and we answered it.
We used to drive to Alexandria every Thursday night, remember, and have a house church down there with these people because we were baptizing like crazy in hotel swimming pools. I mean, that was just something that the Lord just – it was a wave that came through, and we answered it.
And some of the members of that house church were there. They were there yesterday. Which one of – Kurt's wife, maybe I should mention him because it's kind of embarrassing. She'd come up to me and she's like, I need to tell you something. So I thought we were fixed to talk about Phil. She's like, 25 years ago, you and one of your brothers...
And some of the members of that house church were there. They were there yesterday. Which one of – Kurt's wife, maybe I should mention him because it's kind of embarrassing. She'd come up to me and she's like, I need to tell you something. So I thought we were fixed to talk about Phil. She's like, 25 years ago, you and one of your brothers...
you know, absolutely destroyed the gift that we brought your mom because y'all were horsing around. And I was like, you sure it wasn't me? And she's like, oh, it was you. And she said, and I chewed you out. And she said what she told me. And she did. She raised her voice and was like, I cannot believe that y'all are destroying your mom's property.
you know, absolutely destroyed the gift that we brought your mom because y'all were horsing around. And I was like, you sure it wasn't me? And she's like, oh, it was you. And she said, and I chewed you out. And she said what she told me. And she did. She raised her voice and was like, I cannot believe that y'all are destroying your mom's property.
This was a gift from us, and you just have no respect.
This was a gift from us, and you just have no respect.
Well, it must have been you and Willie because it wasn't me. She just said me and one of my brothers, so I'm assuming it was Willie.
Well, it must have been you and Willie because it wasn't me. She just said me and one of my brothers, so I'm assuming it was Willie.
And she said, I just want to say I'm sorry about that. She said, I think I killed her. Yeah, it bothered her. I was like, I have no memory. So I had learned forgiveness at that time. If you said something wrong, I was like, you should have been shooting. I was going to say, good for her. I told her, I was like, but the more I'm thinking about the story you're telling me,
And she said, I just want to say I'm sorry about that. She said, I think I killed her. Yeah, it bothered her. I was like, I have no memory. So I had learned forgiveness at that time. If you said something wrong, I was like, you should have been shooting. I was going to say, good for her. I told her, I was like, but the more I'm thinking about the story you're telling me,
I think you did the right thing by getting on. Yeah. I was like, there's no reason for an apology. I just thought that was a weird moment yesterday.
I think you did the right thing by getting on. Yeah. I was like, there's no reason for an apology. I just thought that was a weird moment yesterday.
Cause y'all were like teenagers.
Cause y'all were like teenagers.
Yeah, they don't plot in either, Zach. So I'm like, man, you must have missed the memo on this.
Yeah, they don't plot in either, Zach. So I'm like, man, you must have missed the memo on this.
They put the gospel symbols up there, which, by the way, that came from your father-in-law. Did you know that? Larry donated that to the church, those symbols. Somebody made them for him. Oh, Larry. Oh, Larry.
They put the gospel symbols up there, which, by the way, that came from your father-in-law. Did you know that? Larry donated that to the church, those symbols. Somebody made them for him. Oh, Larry. Oh, Larry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I visualize that too. I was sitting there and I thought all of a sudden I just, my mind went to that image, I guess like a movie and I can see y'all, you know, it's like Phil and they're, it's going to happen right here. Yeah.
I visualize that too. I was sitting there and I thought all of a sudden I just, my mind went to that image, I guess like a movie and I can see y'all, you know, it's like Phil and they're, it's going to happen right here. Yeah.
This is going to be, it's crazy to say when I lived out there, that's what I told the story. Cause I, I did this all the time because I was like, I'm, this is my neighborhood. All my mentors are there. Now my family's there. The people that I respected in life are there.
This is going to be, it's crazy to say when I lived out there, that's what I told the story. Cause I, I did this all the time because I was like, I'm, this is my neighborhood. All my mentors are there. Now my family's there. The people that I respected in life are there.
I was like, and I used to live next door to it, and I was like, if the resurrection comes while I'm still alive, it is going to be a show. I mean, I'm going right over there because everybody, because it says, the Bible says they're going to come up first.
I was like, and I used to live next door to it, and I was like, if the resurrection comes while I'm still alive, it is going to be a show. I mean, I'm going right over there because everybody, because it says, the Bible says they're going to come up first.
Well, I'll confess, I thought, I wonder if it'd be wrong to put a deer cam over on the pine tree facing the three crosses.
Well, I'll confess, I thought, I wonder if it'd be wrong to put a deer cam over on the pine tree facing the three crosses.
Well, in any venture, there's a lot of people who start living like the Lord, and they sacrifice and serve, which we had hundreds of people volunteer. Of course, all your family shows up. When we had our little meeting, I guess it was – I'm not sure when we had that family meeting. I think it was the day after he crossed over. I think that was on Monday. On the holiday, yeah.
Well, in any venture, there's a lot of people who start living like the Lord, and they sacrifice and serve, which we had hundreds of people volunteer. Of course, all your family shows up. When we had our little meeting, I guess it was – I'm not sure when we had that family meeting. I think it was the day after he crossed over. I think that was on Monday. On the holiday, yeah.
And watch the footage. Just the GoPro. Yeah, I just want to watch the footage when it actually happens. I was like, I wonder if they'd give me permission to do that. And I thought, oh, that may be stupid. I did think that yesterday.
And watch the footage. Just the GoPro. Yeah, I just want to watch the footage when it actually happens. I was like, I wonder if they'd give me permission to do that. And I thought, oh, that may be stupid. I did think that yesterday.
When you walked in and this was what a month, I guess, before he died. Yeah. We walked into the facility and Zach just lost it. Oh, gosh. You know, when he saw him. But I'm glad you brought this up because I did bring this up at the end of my remarks was that I really struggled with how much he was suffering because he really started digressing physically and mentally.
When you walked in and this was what a month, I guess, before he died. Yeah. We walked into the facility and Zach just lost it. Oh, gosh. You know, when he saw him. But I'm glad you brought this up because I did bring this up at the end of my remarks was that I really struggled with how much he was suffering because he really started digressing physically and mentally.
And it kind of hit me that every time I thought he was completely gone as far as communication-wise, something would happen usually with the grandkids or the wives or whatever. And he would just lift up and say something, you know, he whispered to Sadie, you know, full strength ahead. One moment, my daughter started singing one night. She just tears flowing, blowing down her face. And, uh,
And it kind of hit me that every time I thought he was completely gone as far as communication-wise, something would happen usually with the grandkids or the wives or whatever. And he would just lift up and say something, you know, he whispered to Sadie, you know, full strength ahead. One moment, my daughter started singing one night. She just tears flowing, blowing down her face. And, uh,
You're like, if something happens to me now, you got it. So you're hosting skills. I mean, he's Al plus.
You're like, if something happens to me now, you got it. So you're hosting skills. I mean, he's Al plus.
He had been, he had done nothing all day to show any signs that he was with us. And he reached out his hand, you know, and held her hand. Well, what is my daughter? Look at my daughter's perspective of that. And it kind of hit me that I thought, you know, yeah, he's suffering. And we know that it won't be long. But it hit me in that moment, I thought, God does a lot of good work in suffering.
He had been, he had done nothing all day to show any signs that he was with us. And he reached out his hand, you know, and held her hand. Well, what is my daughter? Look at my daughter's perspective of that. And it kind of hit me that I thought, you know, yeah, he's suffering. And we know that it won't be long. But it hit me in that moment, I thought, God does a lot of good work in suffering.
I thought about Romans 5, you know, it produces character, produces hope. And we always think about the people who are suffering, but it's like, well, what about all these people that are getting these nuggets? My daughter's never going to forget that. Never. And she has been a warrior through this process. She just said, I want to go in and help pop off film. I'm okay.
I thought about Romans 5, you know, it produces character, produces hope. And we always think about the people who are suffering, but it's like, well, what about all these people that are getting these nuggets? My daughter's never going to forget that. Never. And she has been a warrior through this process. She just said, I want to go in and help pop off film. I'm okay.
And she's been there every step of the way. And she was one of the ones leading the singing. So it kind of hit me. I thought, yeah, God does some of his best work in suffering. I mean, you think about the cross itself. Because really, sacrifice is a reflection of love. And so I think Phil got that in the moment.
And she's been there every step of the way. And she was one of the ones leading the singing. So it kind of hit me. I thought, yeah, God does some of his best work in suffering. I mean, you think about the cross itself. Because really, sacrifice is a reflection of love. And so I think Phil got that in the moment.
And so I ended the thing telling the last time that we had a conversation because I didn't even think he was aware. And I was telling him, it's okay. I was like, we're good. Because I thought maybe I need to give him permission. Yeah, I did the same thing. Because he was just digressing so much. But when I said, you're going to meet Jesus, well, he just came too.
And so I ended the thing telling the last time that we had a conversation because I didn't even think he was aware. And I was telling him, it's okay. I was like, we're good. Because I thought maybe I need to give him permission. Yeah, I did the same thing. Because he was just digressing so much. But when I said, you're going to meet Jesus, well, he just came too.
And he's like, he grabbed my hand and he said, let's go. And I thought, what is he talking about? And then it hit me. I was like, oh, he wants me to take him. He's ready to go. He's like, let's go. Take me. And I said, I'll tell you what. I'll go get him. Because I didn't know how to get out of the situation. And I thought, isn't that what prayer is?
And he's like, he grabbed my hand and he said, let's go. And I thought, what is he talking about? And then it hit me. I was like, oh, he wants me to take him. He's ready to go. He's like, let's go. Take me. And I said, I'll tell you what. I'll go get him. Because I didn't know how to get out of the situation. And I thought, isn't that what prayer is?
I was like, I'm going to go. And on the way out, I told Missy, I said, let's go. Because he started banging the rail, like saying, no, I'm ready to go. Take me. I'm ready. Of course, the next day, you know, he went on. But I thought, you know, isn't that something? And so I kind of used it as a call to the family because I know we had, you know, you mentioned it, 300 or 400 members of our family.
I was like, I'm going to go. And on the way out, I told Missy, I said, let's go. Because he started banging the rail, like saying, no, I'm ready to go. Take me. I'm ready. Of course, the next day, you know, he went on. But I thought, you know, isn't that something? And so I kind of used it as a call to the family because I know we had, you know, you mentioned it, 300 or 400 members of our family.
And I thought, there's bound to be a couple here that might have lost their way and their focus to Jesus. And so I used that moment saying, are you that excited, you know, to look at your creator and be in his presence?
And I thought, there's bound to be a couple here that might have lost their way and their focus to Jesus. And so I used that moment saying, are you that excited, you know, to look at your creator and be in his presence?
Yeah, and that was, I'd say, the arch theme of yesterday. The last, you know, the only time I really broke down and cried was the first day Dad was in the facility because I realized now it's like we're heading, and this has been a few months ago, but I started praying over him. It was just me and him. And I just had my hand on his arm and I was praying. And I just started crying.
Yeah, and that was, I'd say, the arch theme of yesterday. The last, you know, the only time I really broke down and cried was the first day Dad was in the facility because I realized now it's like we're heading, and this has been a few months ago, but I started praying over him. It was just me and him. And I just had my hand on his arm and I was praying. And I just started crying.
Our funeral guys were with us, too. Well, I remember we were all sitting around, and I think Willie said, well, what do you all want to do? Or the funeral. Because we kind of had the funeral people there. They kind of went through their bit. And everything that is normal about a funeral prep, we were the opposite. And he's like, I don't think I've ever seen this.
Our funeral guys were with us, too. Well, I remember we were all sitting around, and I think Willie said, well, what do you all want to do? Or the funeral. Because we kind of had the funeral people there. They kind of went through their bit. And everything that is normal about a funeral prep, we were the opposite. And he's like, I don't think I've ever seen this.
I just could not stop. And it took me to say eight sentences. It took five minutes. And so I got through it. And as soon as it was over, he reached out and he patted me on the hand. And he was like, you did good. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I just could not stop. And it took me to say eight sentences. It took five minutes. And so I got through it. And as soon as it was over, he reached out and he patted me on the hand. And he was like, you did good. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
But I felt like that was my... grief release. And I realized, and so, but after that, it just kind of became something different. And really, I want to say something because we're running out of time, but you, uh, you came that last night and you got in, you'd been, y'all had been on vacation and we'd spent time with you down there. And then you dropped your family off and came right on.
But I felt like that was my... grief release. And I realized, and so, but after that, it just kind of became something different. And really, I want to say something because we're running out of time, but you, uh, you came that last night and you got in, you'd been, y'all had been on vacation and we'd spent time with you down there. And then you dropped your family off and came right on.
And Phyllis was there the last night. And so was Burley, who's their nurses. And they're just so helpful, but Y'all turned into the trinity of representatives.
And Phyllis was there the last night. And so was Burley, who's their nurses. And they're just so helpful, but Y'all turned into the trinity of representatives.
Reed, Burley, and Phyllis, which was quite the trio.
Reed, Burley, and Phyllis, which was quite the trio.
And nobody would have planned that. It just happened. But, Reed, what you did that was so powerful about being there was secure mom. You know, you got in the bed with her and she was like, you know, we just get in the bed. Yeah, sure, bro. Okay. And, but just the comfort you brought to her and this, this whole time, so proud of you for that.
And nobody would have planned that. It just happened. But, Reed, what you did that was so powerful about being there was secure mom. You know, you got in the bed with her and she was like, you know, we just get in the bed. Yeah, sure, bro. Okay. And, but just the comfort you brought to her and this, this whole time, so proud of you for that.
And it, it reminded me of like, when you're one of the older, oldest grandkids, like you realize you have to step into the moment. I mentioned Nan yesterday. She's been great too, but it's like, you realize this is my role, you know? And, but you come into that as, as a man or as a woman, about where you fit into a family.
And it, it reminded me of like, when you're one of the older, oldest grandkids, like you realize you have to step into the moment. I mentioned Nan yesterday. She's been great too, but it's like, you realize this is my role, you know? And, but you come into that as, as a man or as a woman, about where you fit into a family.
And so getting to watch that, you know, this last few days has been amazing.
And so getting to watch that, you know, this last few days has been amazing.
Well, it's gotten weird.
Well, it's gotten weird.
And I know we're out of time, but again, Reed won't say this because he wouldn't want to be bragging on himself.
And I know we're out of time, but again, Reed won't say this because he wouldn't want to be bragging on himself.
but he literally drove you know they they had just been on vacation he drove his family to nashville and then in the middle of the night drove down and then stayed up all night uh you know with k and phil and and reed was you know there when phil you know breathed his last and he comforted k and they formed a bond you know and he was worried about
but he literally drove you know they they had just been on vacation he drove his family to nashville and then in the middle of the night drove down and then stayed up all night uh you know with k and phil and and reed was you know there when phil you know breathed his last and he comforted k and they formed a bond you know and he was worried about
leaving now because she's so attached to him but uh i was really proud that that reed stepped up and uh and she's gonna be okay i think she knew that because last night her her charge was reed's been putting me to bed every night and she's like when i'm gonna need basically all y'all i need chauffeurs
leaving now because she's so attached to him but uh i was really proud that that reed stepped up and uh and she's gonna be okay i think she knew that because last night her her charge was reed's been putting me to bed every night and she's like when i'm gonna need basically all y'all i need chauffeurs
We're out of time. I want to tell you two things I brought today. One is I brought Dad's Bible, which was on his casket yesterday, opened to Matthew 28. I don't know who opened it to that. Probably Grace, who did a fire arrangement. And so that I brought that as a reminder that it's always about this podcast has been about the word about being unashamed.
We're out of time. I want to tell you two things I brought today. One is I brought Dad's Bible, which was on his casket yesterday, opened to Matthew 28. I don't know who opened it to that. Probably Grace, who did a fire arrangement. And so that I brought that as a reminder that it's always about this podcast has been about the word about being unashamed.
And I brought this, which was the picture just to show you guys that are watching. And so dad's kind of larger than life anyway. And this is a giant picture that was down front. And then we had the painting of Tony that made of him baptizing a woman down front. And it was just the perfect thing as a reminder of what this is all about. So Unashamed Nation. We love you guys so much.
And I brought this, which was the picture just to show you guys that are watching. And so dad's kind of larger than life anyway. And this is a giant picture that was down front. And then we had the painting of Tony that made of him baptizing a woman down front. And it was just the perfect thing as a reminder of what this is all about. So Unashamed Nation. We love you guys so much.
You guys have been there for us. We're carrying the legacy now. We're going to be doing just what he trained us to do. It's not going to stop. And so you need to grow where you're planted and keep doing what we're doing. Reaching people. That's the best thing you can do. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts.
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So just because you didn't know who was going to show up and how it was going to be. And we kind of panicked at first because even when Phil literally stopped breathing – It's like the media made kind of an ugly appearance. They started calling people and the family and calling the place where he was at.
So just because you didn't know who was going to show up and how it was going to be. And we kind of panicked at first because even when Phil literally stopped breathing – It's like the media made kind of an ugly appearance. They started calling people and the family and calling the place where he was at.
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And all of a sudden, there were people at our gates, which leave it to the media to just make you kind of panic and say, everybody, give us a little privacy here. So when we had the meeting with the family, I think Willie said, well, what do y'all want to do? And he looked at mom and said, you know, what would you like to do? And the first thing she said was, well, I want all four boys to speak.
And all of a sudden, there were people at our gates, which leave it to the media to just make you kind of panic and say, everybody, give us a little privacy here. So when we had the meeting with the family, I think Willie said, well, what do y'all want to do? And he looked at mom and said, you know, what would you like to do? And the first thing she said was, well, I want all four boys to speak.
And so then I was like, oh, no.
And so then I was like, oh, no.
Because in the moment. Because we hadn't talked about it at all. I mean, what it would be like.
Because in the moment. Because we hadn't talked about it at all. I mean, what it would be like.
Well, yeah, she said it in a way like on all the boys to speak, but we were in the room and I was like, what boys? I mean, I want you boys.
Well, yeah, she said it in a way like on all the boys to speak, but we were in the room and I was like, what boys? I mean, I want you boys.
She did say that.
She did say that.
And I think I said something like, which made her mad. I was like, well, you realize this will perhaps be the longest funeral in history. Because, you know, we all talk a lot.
And I think I said something like, which made her mad. I was like, well, you realize this will perhaps be the longest funeral in history. Because, you know, we all talk a lot.
I told them 12 to 15 minutes. It was my general thing. But I told, so we wound up doing it, and you guys will all see it, but we wound up having Jeff and Phyllis go together. And the reason why is because Jep is mortified. Like, Jep just, he turned just white as soon as his mom said it. You know, because he is mortified about being in front of people and speaking.
I told them 12 to 15 minutes. It was my general thing. But I told, so we wound up doing it, and you guys will all see it, but we wound up having Jeff and Phyllis go together. And the reason why is because Jep is mortified. Like, Jep just, he turned just white as soon as his mom said it. You know, because he is mortified about being in front of people and speaking.
He's done it because he's not, and he's pretty, he's okay.
He's done it because he's not, and he's pretty, he's okay.
He was great. So Jep just turns white as a ghost. He's like, oh. So in the moment when we were talking, and I figured Phyllis would want to say something too because mom didn't bring it up, but I thought she'll want to say something. So afterwards, I pulled Jep aside. I said, what about if Phyllis wants to say anything? Y'all getting up together.
He was great. So Jep just turns white as a ghost. He's like, oh. So in the moment when we were talking, and I figured Phyllis would want to say something too because mom didn't bring it up, but I thought she'll want to say something. So afterwards, I pulled Jep aside. I said, what about if Phyllis wants to say anything? Y'all getting up together.
But, like, I'm so appreciative to everybody that stepped in this week. And, you know, it's just been a whirlwind. I sent a text out today to the siblings because everybody spoke yesterday at the funeral and just said, you know, like, I'm relieved because we did it and we got it done. But also, it's like... I have this larger-than-life-now perspective of dad.
But, like, I'm so appreciative to everybody that stepped in this week. And, you know, it's just been a whirlwind. I sent a text out today to the siblings because everybody spoke yesterday at the funeral and just said, you know, like, I'm relieved because we did it and we got it done. But also, it's like... I have this larger-than-life-now perspective of dad.
Sometimes you need a buddy.
Sometimes you need a buddy.
Yeah, and he was like, oh, wow, that would be so good. And I said, well, let me see. And she did. And so they did it together. And it kind of flows through. So at first I was going to kind of like intro everybody, and then I was trying to conserve time. And so I was going to tell the joke. that I do when I'm out on the road.
Yeah, and he was like, oh, wow, that would be so good. And I said, well, let me see. And she did. And so they did it together. And it kind of flows through. So at first I was going to kind of like intro everybody, and then I was trying to conserve time. And so I was going to tell the joke. that I do when I'm out on the road.
When I talk about Jep being my little sister, I would always say he was the little sister we never had. But then Phyllis found us, and so I had a little sister, so it ruined the joke. So now I say, but he needed a sister to play with. You know, two girls. And so the fact they were up together, that was going to be my joke that I never got to tell. So I'm ashamed you get mine.
When I talk about Jep being my little sister, I would always say he was the little sister we never had. But then Phyllis found us, and so I had a little sister, so it ruined the joke. So now I say, but he needed a sister to play with. You know, two girls. And so the fact they were up together, that was going to be my joke that I never got to tell. So I'm ashamed you get mine.
You'll get to see it, though.
You'll get to see it, though.
Yeah, so he did that. Then Willie, who turned out to be the most long-winded, so maybe I'll need to edit some of that. I think he went about 30 minutes. It was good, though. And I might have went 20. Yeah, it was basically I called Willie the comedy hour.
Yeah, so he did that. Then Willie, who turned out to be the most long-winded, so maybe I'll need to edit some of that. I think he went about 30 minutes. It was good, though. And I might have went 20. Yeah, it was basically I called Willie the comedy hour.
He was funny. Yeah, it was funny. And he kept engaging Mom, and then Cy – kept talking back to Willie throughout his entire.
He was funny. Yeah, it was funny. And he kept engaging Mom, and then Cy – kept talking back to Willie throughout his entire.
Well, the back story to that was I said, well, somebody needs to maybe ask Si. I said that in the meeting because Si wasn't there. If he wants to say a few words and somebody reached out and said, nope, he doesn't. But then he did the whole time. Which made sense, look, because he's the sidekick.
Well, the back story to that was I said, well, somebody needs to maybe ask Si. I said that in the meeting because Si wasn't there. If he wants to say a few words and somebody reached out and said, nope, he doesn't. But then he did the whole time. Which made sense, look, because he's the sidekick.
Welcome back to Unashamed. Jason and I are finally back in the house. It's been quite the week. We took a break. Reed and I have been holding down the fort. We brought Reed in. Let me just start off, Zach, because I watched about 15 minutes this morning before I left. of the last podcast, I guess, with Mac and Mary and Paul. And I was impressed.
Welcome back to Unashamed. Jason and I are finally back in the house. It's been quite the week. We took a break. Reed and I have been holding down the fort. We brought Reed in. Let me just start off, Zach, because I watched about 15 minutes this morning before I left. of the last podcast, I guess, with Mac and Mary and Paul. And I was impressed.
He was the sidekick to Phil and Kay through their first years of dating and probably 10 years of their marriage. And so he turned into the Echo, which was funny. And he was on here, right?
He was the sidekick to Phil and Kay through their first years of dating and probably 10 years of their marriage. And so he turned into the Echo, which was funny. And he was on here, right?
Yeah. Yeah. It was great. It was like a reunion. That's what several people said.
Yeah. Yeah. It was great. It was like a reunion. That's what several people said.
One of the things that I wasn't really planning on, because we're also involved in our little area of planning, I didn't realize how many people who have been a part of the Duck Commander journey would be there, Chase. Did you notice that? Yeah. Like W.E. Phillips and Sinky and all the old camera folks. Even Jimmy Redd was there.
One of the things that I wasn't really planning on, because we're also involved in our little area of planning, I didn't realize how many people who have been a part of the Duck Commander journey would be there, Chase. Did you notice that? Yeah. Like W.E. Phillips and Sinky and all the old camera folks. Even Jimmy Redd was there.
It's just bigger than it was even because we were so in the weeds of everything, Jay says. So I'm kind of glad to be back here and talking to Unashamed Nation about it. You guys have been amazing. The tributes. I've only been able to glimpse a little because I've been so in the weeds, but I'm hoping next week to watch more of the stuff that's out there. It's been amazing.
It's just bigger than it was even because we were so in the weeds of everything, Jay says. So I'm kind of glad to be back here and talking to Unashamed Nation about it. You guys have been amazing. The tributes. I've only been able to glimpse a little because I've been so in the weeds, but I'm hoping next week to watch more of the stuff that's out there. It's been amazing.
He made an appearance. He came in. He had a nice shirt on. I was like, Jimmy Redd, look at you. And it just was really – It was very touching to me. And so I, you're right, Zach, for that first, because we all got there early. So we probably just had an hour just to visit and talk to people and catch up. All my cousins were there.
He made an appearance. He came in. He had a nice shirt on. I was like, Jimmy Redd, look at you. And it just was really – It was very touching to me. And so I, you're right, Zach, for that first, because we all got there early. So we probably just had an hour just to visit and talk to people and catch up. All my cousins were there.
And then Reed, you mentioned something that was very powerful just about the three days we had to, because it was a holiday weekend when all this happened in the holiday. Yeah. But everybody was able to come and just tell your perspective of, like, all our cousins, you know, your cousins, moms, grandchildren, just that ebb and flow of how that went.
And then Reed, you mentioned something that was very powerful just about the three days we had to, because it was a holiday weekend when all this happened in the holiday. Yeah. But everybody was able to come and just tell your perspective of, like, all our cousins, you know, your cousins, moms, grandchildren, just that ebb and flow of how that went.
It has been. So in our time, I guess this is one day – from the funeral, which we had, right. Which I think we're releasing that at some point that y'all filmed it.
It has been. So in our time, I guess this is one day – from the funeral, which we had, right. Which I think we're releasing that at some point that y'all filmed it.
And that's the way it should be like your patriarch or your matriarch. I mean, they should lead that way, you know, and I just I said that to our family that, you know, look, so many people have had lost people, lost kids and lost, you know, people early and just those difficulties you go through. But this was the way you want it to be.
And that's the way it should be like your patriarch or your matriarch. I mean, they should lead that way, you know, and I just I said that to our family that, you know, look, so many people have had lost people, lost kids and lost, you know, people early and just those difficulties you go through. But this was the way you want it to be.
you know, you hope it to be is that, you know, your, your matriarch and your patriarchs go first, you know what I mean? Like they live that life and they have that example. And I watched all the Reed's generation of our, you know, our kids now, Jason, seeing our grandkids and seeing them step into those roles. Um, they led worship, you know, some of our kids, Zach's kids and me and Bobby, Will.
you know, you hope it to be is that, you know, your, your matriarch and your patriarchs go first, you know what I mean? Like they live that life and they have that example. And I watched all the Reed's generation of our, you know, our kids now, Jason, seeing our grandkids and seeing them step into those roles. Um, they led worship, you know, some of our kids, Zach's kids and me and Bobby, Will.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. Jason, the last podcast you were talking about celebrating Resurrection Sunday, is what I like to call it, in Nashville, where Reed was leading worship. I was in Gulf Shores down here at the Southern Lair.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. Jason, the last podcast you were talking about celebrating Resurrection Sunday, is what I like to call it, in Nashville, where Reed was leading worship. I was in Gulf Shores down here at the Southern Lair.
We had had a quote from Isaiah 54 where Jesus talked about Israel being taught by God. And that led me to Deuteronomy 7. Because my thinking was Jesus is kind of making the point that, you know, there's nothing really that special about Israel itself other than Israel was made a people so that they could bring Jesus, which is his whole point. Now I'm here. Oh, yeah. And you're rejecting me.
We had had a quote from Isaiah 54 where Jesus talked about Israel being taught by God. And that led me to Deuteronomy 7. Because my thinking was Jesus is kind of making the point that, you know, there's nothing really that special about Israel itself other than Israel was made a people so that they could bring Jesus, which is his whole point. Now I'm here. Oh, yeah. And you're rejecting me.
I married them. And I remember seeing this young man for the first time. And, you know, he came into one of our house churches because they started dating. And he was, I don't know exactly sure where he was on the scale of belief. I mean, he was somewhere in between atheist and agnostic and for sure a skeptic. And he was, you know, he was pretty bold about it.
I married them. And I remember seeing this young man for the first time. And, you know, he came into one of our house churches because they started dating. And he was, I don't know exactly sure where he was on the scale of belief. I mean, he was somewhere in between atheist and agnostic and for sure a skeptic. And he was, you know, he was pretty bold about it.
And I want to read that text. And then, Jason, I'm going to turn it over to you because you took that and jumped in and made some interesting observations about the whole book of Deuteronomy.
And I want to read that text. And then, Jason, I'm going to turn it over to you because you took that and jumped in and made some interesting observations about the whole book of Deuteronomy.
I did not know the number.
I did not know the number.
Which is a quote from Deuteronomy as well.
Which is a quote from Deuteronomy as well.
Like, you don't see that much because you're coming into like a Christian environment, especially in a house church. But he was, I mean, fact checking everything we were talking about, you know, on his phone the whole time we were having this. And I was thinking to myself, Quite honestly, I was thinking, man, Johanna needs to move on. This kid is not going to make it.
Like, you don't see that much because you're coming into like a Christian environment, especially in a house church. But he was, I mean, fact checking everything we were talking about, you know, on his phone the whole time we were having this. And I was thinking to myself, Quite honestly, I was thinking, man, Johanna needs to move on. This kid is not going to make it.
And I was saying, Zach, that I'm very thankful he never got it because I would have been one of the first person he would have shrunk. So I'm glad he didn't get it.
And I was saying, Zach, that I'm very thankful he never got it because I would have been one of the first person he would have shrunk. So I'm glad he didn't get it.
He's not going to be worth the effort. Well, they wound up falling in love, get married. And this journey that now brought him to Sunday has been remarkable to watch. And one of the things that I think was so beautiful about it, and I sent a text to Godwin. just congratulating him and getting to be in that moment with his son-in-law was really cool.
He's not going to be worth the effort. Well, they wound up falling in love, get married. And this journey that now brought him to Sunday has been remarkable to watch. And one of the things that I think was so beautiful about it, and I sent a text to Godwin. just congratulating him and getting to be in that moment with his son-in-law was really cool.
And I said, your example, yours and Paula, of grace and just really patience in working with your daughter and your son-in-law and ultimately leading him to Christ was such an inspiration to me. And so John sent me this text back and I wanted to share it on the podcast. He said, he said, thanks, you know, and he had gone to, Celio had gone to a men's retreat, which made a huge impact on his life.
And I said, your example, yours and Paula, of grace and just really patience in working with your daughter and your son-in-law and ultimately leading him to Christ was such an inspiration to me. And so John sent me this text back and I wanted to share it on the podcast. He said, he said, thanks, you know, and he had gone to, Celio had gone to a men's retreat, which made a huge impact on his life.
Well, and let's face it, that phrase, hardening of the heart, I mean, obviously one of the meanings has to be that it's just a non-understanding as well. Because you remember the disciples, it mentioned their hearts were hard, meaning they didn't understand what Jesus was doing. One of the times they were out on the lake with it.
Well, and let's face it, that phrase, hardening of the heart, I mean, obviously one of the meanings has to be that it's just a non-understanding as well. Because you remember the disciples, it mentioned their hearts were hard, meaning they didn't understand what Jesus was doing. One of the times they were out on the lake with it.
And so you know right there it's not because somehow that they hated Jesus or they hated God or they hated – I mean, they were – they gave their whole lives to it. But they didn't understand. And so the application, I think, is the same. Part of that is just not getting what's happening because you don't want to.
And so you know right there it's not because somehow that they hated Jesus or they hated God or they hated – I mean, they were – they gave their whole lives to it. But they didn't understand. And so the application, I think, is the same. Part of that is just not getting what's happening because you don't want to.
And he said, here's what his son-in-law said. He said, Jesus was baptized when he was 30 by a man named John. And now I'm 30 and I'm baptized by a man named John. And, and so I thought that was pretty cool. And Godwin said, and you got to hear it in Godwin's voice, I guess. I don't know what that means, but I'm in great company.
And he said, here's what his son-in-law said. He said, Jesus was baptized when he was 30 by a man named John. And now I'm 30 and I'm baptized by a man named John. And, and so I thought that was pretty cool. And Godwin said, and you got to hear it in Godwin's voice, I guess. I don't know what that means, but I'm in great company.
I mean, Jesus nailed them to the cross, but... You shall have no other gods before me was the second one. You shall not make yourself an idol, and you shall not misuse the name of the Lord.
I mean, Jesus nailed them to the cross, but... You shall have no other gods before me was the second one. You shall not make yourself an idol, and you shall not misuse the name of the Lord.
Exactly.
Exactly.
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Yeah, we really like this. If you're watching the podcast, I'm holding some of this in my hand. It's great. You mix it up. You drink it. One of the things I loved about the descriptions that we talked to these guys is your doctor will notice that – Something has happened to make you healthier. And that's one of their guarantees, which I love.
And so I thought that was pretty cool that the whole idea of that happening in their lives. So it was just, I don't know, I thought what better way to end your time together as a family on Resurrection Sunday than watching a new birth. Watching somebody get raised up out of the watery grave to baptism.
And so I thought that was pretty cool that the whole idea of that happening in their lives. So it was just, I don't know, I thought what better way to end your time together as a family on Resurrection Sunday than watching a new birth. Watching somebody get raised up out of the watery grave to baptism.
And just to add to what you said, Jace, Moses wrote the Torah, which is Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. And Genesis 1 through 11, as you described, was that ancient man idea that led up to the Tower of Babel. We get to Genesis 12, we pick up the promise to Abraham, which is when you first start reading about the people of God and the promises of God.
And just to add to what you said, Jace, Moses wrote the Torah, which is Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. And Genesis 1 through 11, as you described, was that ancient man idea that led up to the Tower of Babel. We get to Genesis 12, we pick up the promise to Abraham, which is when you first start reading about the people of God and the promises of God.
And then that runs all the way through Genesis. And Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers are then the results of that. So Deuteronomy is almost a retelling of all of this history, of everything God has designed, which is why, of course, that we go there. And so here's the reading, Deuteronomy 7, 7. He's talking about the Jewish people. Remember, they were slaves. They were enslaved in Egypt.
And then that runs all the way through Genesis. And Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers are then the results of that. So Deuteronomy is almost a retelling of all of this history, of everything God has designed, which is why, of course, that we go there. And so here's the reading, Deuteronomy 7, 7. He's talking about the Jewish people. Remember, they were slaves. They were enslaved in Egypt.
But it was because the Lord loved you. and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers, that goes back to Abraham, that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh, king of Egypt. Know, therefore, that the Lord your God is God. He is faithful.
But it was because the Lord loved you. and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers, that goes back to Abraham, that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh, king of Egypt. Know, therefore, that the Lord your God is God. He is faithful.
He is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands." But those who hate him, he will repay to their face by destruction. He will not be slow to repay their face, those who hate him. Therefore, take care to follow the commands, decrees, and laws that I give you today.
He is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands." But those who hate him, he will repay to their face by destruction. He will not be slow to repay their face, those who hate him. Therefore, take care to follow the commands, decrees, and laws that I give you today.
And so for the first time in as far back as I can remember, I'm guessing it's got to be over 20 years, I was not preaching at on Easter Sunday. And typically, Mike and I usually preach together at WFR. It's kind of been a tradition since he came back 20 plus years, 25 years ago. And so it was very strange not being there. We had family down here. Old Stone came down.
And so for the first time in as far back as I can remember, I'm guessing it's got to be over 20 years, I was not preaching at on Easter Sunday. And typically, Mike and I usually preach together at WFR. It's kind of been a tradition since he came back 20 plus years, 25 years ago. And so it was very strange not being there. We had family down here. Old Stone came down.
Well, you know what I love about the whole thing? I mean, in and of itself, you're right, Zach, it's a really cool thing that happens. It's almost kind of like adult camp, you know, for men and women. But the idea that every few years, the Almighty sends a wave through His Holy Spirit. Jason's right. Yeah. That, you know, there'll be different methods. I mean, at one time it was small groups.
Well, you know what I love about the whole thing? I mean, in and of itself, you're right, Zach, it's a really cool thing that happens. It's almost kind of like adult camp, you know, for men and women. But the idea that every few years, the Almighty sends a wave through His Holy Spirit. Jason's right. Yeah. That, you know, there'll be different methods. I mean, at one time it was small groups.
So, Jace, this year I turned 60. And one of the things I realized as I was getting older is, you know, I needed to lose some weight, not just, you know, because I was fat, but also because I wasn't very healthy. And so I tried to do it on my own last year, as we talked about on the podcast. I didn't do very well. I needed a plan. I needed some structure.
So, Jace, this year I turned 60. And one of the things I realized as I was getting older is, you know, I needed to lose some weight, not just, you know, because I was fat, but also because I wasn't very healthy. And so I tried to do it on my own last year, as we talked about on the podcast. I didn't do very well. I needed a plan. I needed some structure.
At one time it was, you know, bus ministry. There's all these different things that come along, but they all have the same thing in mind, leading people to him. And, you know, we just kind of have to be ready to catch the next wave, whatever it's going to be. I never know. And it may not even be your thing. It may not be something you would have ever thought would be effective, but it is, you know?
At one time it was, you know, bus ministry. There's all these different things that come along, but they all have the same thing in mind, leading people to him. And, you know, we just kind of have to be ready to catch the next wave, whatever it's going to be. I never know. And it may not even be your thing. It may not be something you would have ever thought would be effective, but it is, you know?
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Oh, exactly. Yeah.
Oh, exactly. Yeah.
No, I think that's good, James. And it also shows you the imagery that John used when he was painting all these word pictures that Jesus laid out, which is very powerful. So next time we'll tie that off and we'll try to move on to John 7, which continues our journey in the book of John. So we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast.
No, I think that's good, James. And it also shows you the imagery that John used when he was painting all these word pictures that Jesus laid out, which is very powerful. So next time we'll tie that off and we'll try to move on to John 7, which continues our journey in the book of John. So we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast.
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We caught some crabs out in the lagoon and had a big crab and shrimp bowl. And it was a lot of fun. Had a great weekend together. And so that day we tuned in. And one of the things is I loved it all. Of course, it's just such a great day because for preachers, it's like Super Bowl Sunday. As you know, there's always a lot of people there. And I wish they were there all the time.
We caught some crabs out in the lagoon and had a big crab and shrimp bowl. And it was a lot of fun. Had a great weekend together. And so that day we tuned in. And one of the things is I loved it all. Of course, it's just such a great day because for preachers, it's like Super Bowl Sunday. As you know, there's always a lot of people there. And I wish they were there all the time.
God's grocery store?
God's grocery store?
Our good friends at Voice of the Martyrs have come out with a new book that Jace has there, When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians. And, you know, Voice of the Martyrs has always been an organization that has inspired Christians to really understand the suffering of what goes on in the world.
Our good friends at Voice of the Martyrs have come out with a new book that Jace has there, When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians. And, you know, Voice of the Martyrs has always been an organization that has inspired Christians to really understand the suffering of what goes on in the world.
Zach, I mean, I don't know about you, but like when I look at the stories of other people and what they're going through, I mean, it makes me not only pray for them and want to reach out to them, but also just appreciate. how blessed we are whenever we go through difficult times. Absolutely, Al. And I think that every Christian needs to have this book in their home.
Zach, I mean, I don't know about you, but like when I look at the stories of other people and what they're going through, I mean, it makes me not only pray for them and want to reach out to them, but also just appreciate. how blessed we are whenever we go through difficult times. Absolutely, Al. And I think that every Christian needs to have this book in their home.
So a good friend, Todd Nettleton, who's the voice of the Martyrs Radio host, is the one who wrote the book. He traveled to these restricted nations over the course of 20 years and These are interviews of people, real people's lives where they were persecuted. Their faith was tested at great personal cost to them. And those stories of inspiration can now help you in your everyday walk.
So a good friend, Todd Nettleton, who's the voice of the Martyrs Radio host, is the one who wrote the book. He traveled to these restricted nations over the course of 20 years and These are interviews of people, real people's lives where they were persecuted. Their faith was tested at great personal cost to them. And those stories of inspiration can now help you in your everyday walk.
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Chase, you don't need a cold open when you're placing an order. You can just order.
Chase, you don't need a cold open when you're placing an order. You can just order.
But, you know, it's just kind of the way it works. But at the end of it, something amazing happened. Our old friend, John Godwin, who's on our sister podcast in the Duck Call Room from time to time, he baptized his son-in-law. At the end of the service, you know, Sunday. And it really touched me because, you know, obviously I've been there the whole time with him and Johanna, their daughter.
But, you know, it's just kind of the way it works. But at the end of it, something amazing happened. Our old friend, John Godwin, who's on our sister podcast in the Duck Call Room from time to time, he baptized his son-in-law. At the end of the service, you know, Sunday. And it really touched me because, you know, obviously I've been there the whole time with him and Johanna, their daughter.
You're at Chili's.
You're at Chili's.
Major downgrade.
Major downgrade.
Your next door. For those of you that don't know West Monroe, they're next door to each other, by the way.
Your next door. For those of you that don't know West Monroe, they're next door to each other, by the way.
But, you know, all those – Well, their Southwest Egg Roll, if you're going to order something off the app menu, the Southwest Egg Rolls are pretty good.
But, you know, all those – Well, their Southwest Egg Roll, if you're going to order something off the app menu, the Southwest Egg Rolls are pretty good.
You need the signs, but you also need an entourage. You don't need to be doing these things on your own. You just aren't capable. I mean, that's just sad but true.
You need the signs, but you also need an entourage. You don't need to be doing these things on your own. You just aren't capable. I mean, that's just sad but true.
All right. So we're hoping that today may be the day, we're not sure, where we actually tie off John 6. It's been an amazing run of study time in this chapter, but Jace has pointed out in the past all the reasons why, so I won't rehash it again. But we came to one point we just couldn't quite leave because we read the entire text last time. And but there was one little thing.
All right. So we're hoping that today may be the day, we're not sure, where we actually tie off John 6. It's been an amazing run of study time in this chapter, but Jace has pointed out in the past all the reasons why, so I won't rehash it again. But we came to one point we just couldn't quite leave because we read the entire text last time. And but there was one little thing.
Wow.
Wow.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Christian. Your husband.
Christian. Your husband.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
Right.
What about you?
What about you?
By the way, y'all don't do the social media, but I do. And I think that the boys over there may have been offended by the conversation we had about the duck call room.
By the way, y'all don't do the social media, but I do. And I think that the boys over there may have been offended by the conversation we had about the duck call room.
Yeah, they put out a little reel on Instagram of Jace basically saying it was, I forget how you said it, something like it was a fine line between a pod. What was it?
Yeah, they put out a little reel on Instagram of Jace basically saying it was, I forget how you said it, something like it was a fine line between a pod. What was it?
Which may or may not have been called some version of a fun sucker.
Which may or may not have been called some version of a fun sucker.
By them.
By them.
So Si came out swinging, but Martin was like, well, I mean, he's kind of got a point.
So Si came out swinging, but Martin was like, well, I mean, he's kind of got a point.
Thank you, Martin, for being truthful. But I want to go on the record and say I love those guys over at that career. It was fun.
Thank you, Martin, for being truthful. But I want to go on the record and say I love those guys over at that career. It was fun.
I actually like being on it because I was reading through some of the comments on YouTube and one guy said- Yeah, because they think you're smart. Well, no, they were – they said – the guy's like, Zach actually has a fun personality. I just thought he was a punk or something like that. I watch him on Unashamed. But they were like – so my personality was like highlighted over there with those guys.
I actually like being on it because I was reading through some of the comments on YouTube and one guy said- Yeah, because they think you're smart. Well, no, they were – they said – the guy's like, Zach actually has a fun personality. I just thought he was a punk or something like that. I watch him on Unashamed. But they were like – so my personality was like highlighted over there with those guys.
Love is in the air. I'll tell you, one of the things that I think about a lot is now that I got five kids, you all know that. But I do think about what would happen if something happened to me. Is my family going to be taken care of? And so that's why I firmly believe that you need to take care of your family, even in the event that you may pass on and die.
Love is in the air. I'll tell you, one of the things that I think about a lot is now that I got five kids, you all know that. But I do think about what would happen if something happened to me. Is my family going to be taken care of? And so that's why I firmly believe that you need to take care of your family, even in the event that you may pass on and die.
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You're one of the most destructive counselors I've ever seen.
You're one of the most destructive counselors I've ever seen.
I mean, Al is like... I feel like this is one of them things that's like, it's kind of like we're joking, but then I feel like we're going to get out of here and this is going to come back to haunt me. And so I'm going to hold you accountable. I'm always in your phone. Just call me when you need me.
I mean, Al is like... I feel like this is one of them things that's like, it's kind of like we're joking, but then I feel like we're going to get out of here and this is going to come back to haunt me. And so I'm going to hold you accountable. I'm always in your phone. Just call me when you need me.
Was it two inches?
Was it two inches?
Do you feel like maybe there could be some truth about her story? Think about you maybe embellishing. I mean, do you think you might struggle with that?
Do you feel like maybe there could be some truth about her story? Think about you maybe embellishing. I mean, do you think you might struggle with that?
Go ahead. We can edit it out.
Go ahead. We can edit it out.
We listen to Jesus rambling. It's like Seinfeld meets a Bible study. A show about nothing meets the Word of God.
We listen to Jesus rambling. It's like Seinfeld meets a Bible study. A show about nothing meets the Word of God.
Well, people do know what I'm saying, Jace. And they'll tell you that in the comments. Now, Jace is smarter than he tries to play the... Oh, he's like an old Airedale dog, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Well, people do know what I'm saying, Jace. And they'll tell you that in the comments. Now, Jace is smarter than he tries to play the... Oh, he's like an old Airedale dog, yeah. Oh, yeah.
The ontological, there is an ontological argument inside of apologetics that's very hard to understand. It's one of the few that I was like, ooh, that hurts my brain to think about it.
The ontological, there is an ontological argument inside of apologetics that's very hard to understand. It's one of the few that I was like, ooh, that hurts my brain to think about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I would say that I'm actually not comfortable with it, but I think Jill's comfortable with it. I kind of feel uncomfortable, but she'll go there in public. She don't care. When we lived here, we had a house church with Paula and John Godwin, by the way. Two of my favorite people.
Well, I would say that I'm actually not comfortable with it, but I think Jill's comfortable with it. I kind of feel uncomfortable, but she'll go there in public. She don't care. When we lived here, we had a house church with Paula and John Godwin, by the way. Two of my favorite people.
Yes, I mean, it's hard to grasp what Jesus is claiming here, but when you think about the word ontology, the other word that you can use, it's different, but economy. Economy. And so when you think about who is God and who is Jesus in God, ontologically, like his nature, his very being, his nature, he is the sovereign God.
Yes, I mean, it's hard to grasp what Jesus is claiming here, but when you think about the word ontology, the other word that you can use, it's different, but economy. Economy. And so when you think about who is God and who is Jesus in God, ontologically, like his nature, his very being, his nature, he is the sovereign God.
But now inside of that Godhead, he has a, and this does get controversial in certain circles, but
But now inside of that Godhead, he has a, and this does get controversial in certain circles, but
Just deal in the facts. Well, there's just different roles, right? At the very least, we can say that Christ in his incarnated state in a body, or the Son in the body... Was serving the Father. That's not controversial. That's not controversial. He says that a hundred times. But what gets controversial is, was the Son always in this position eternally?
Just deal in the facts. Well, there's just different roles, right? At the very least, we can say that Christ in his incarnated state in a body, or the Son in the body... Was serving the Father. That's not controversial. That's not controversial. He says that a hundred times. But what gets controversial is, was the Son always in this position eternally?
And I think that, well, I won't say what I think here because I don't want to get off track. But I think that what's interesting when you think about what Jesus is establishing himself as here, as being this, he's saying, I'm God. I'm God. That's who I am. And by being God means that he is going to be the provider of all things. And all things will originate with him. All things.
And I think that, well, I won't say what I think here because I don't want to get off track. But I think that what's interesting when you think about what Jesus is establishing himself as here, as being this, he's saying, I'm God. I'm God. That's who I am. And by being God means that he is going to be the provider of all things. And all things will originate with him. All things.
Every blessing, every revelation, everything originates with God. And the problem that these guys were having is that they just could not quite give him their trust. And they always, give me more signs, give me more signs.
Every blessing, every revelation, everything originates with God. And the problem that these guys were having is that they just could not quite give him their trust. And they always, give me more signs, give me more signs.
Because he was a human.
Because he was a human.
There was a... There's this interesting thing I've been studying recently about... They were called the Targums, and they basically would take the Old Testament Hebrew scripture, and they would rewrite it in Aramaic so that the people could understand it, and then they would teach it from the different places in town and different synagogues.
There was a... There's this interesting thing I've been studying recently about... They were called the Targums, and they basically would take the Old Testament Hebrew scripture, and they would rewrite it in Aramaic so that the people could understand it, and then they would teach it from the different places in town and different synagogues.
And if you go back and read some of those, it's very, very interesting that they said they would read the Old Testament, and they said, man, it seems like there's like two Yahwehs.
And if you go back and read some of those, it's very, very interesting that they said they would read the Old Testament, and they said, man, it seems like there's like two Yahwehs.
And one of our favorite house churches we've ever done, too. And we got in a big fight Sunday after church about something. I don't remember. Well, she leaves right before house church. And we were newly married. She bolts out. I don't even know where she went. She storms out of the house. And then everyone shows up for house church.
And one of our favorite house churches we've ever done, too. And we got in a big fight Sunday after church about something. I don't remember. Well, she leaves right before house church. And we were newly married. She bolts out. I don't even know where she went. She storms out of the house. And then everyone shows up for house church.
So it's all throughout the scriptures. There's a bunch of scriptures in the Old Testament where you're reading it, and Yahweh speaks about himself in the first and third persons. You're like, is there two Yahwehs? It's kind of confusing. So the way that they solved this dilemma, not even knowing about Jesus, is they translated one of those to be the word of Yahweh.
So it's all throughout the scriptures. There's a bunch of scriptures in the Old Testament where you're reading it, and Yahweh speaks about himself in the first and third persons. You're like, is there two Yahwehs? It's kind of confusing. So the way that they solved this dilemma, not even knowing about Jesus, is they translated one of those to be the word of Yahweh.
And the word of Yahweh translated is the logos of Yahweh. Find out on my credit card, someone's purchased an Apple computer and it wasn't me. Has that ever happened to y'all? But I really needed it, Zach. I tried to track this down.
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We want a king.
We want a king.
But that's another version of a sign, though. The prophets were signs. Well, it is.
But that's another version of a sign, though. The prophets were signs. Well, it is.
Yeah, I think it's, they say, I've heard it said this way, you want the kingdom without the king, and that's what they wanted. But when you read that verse about demanding a sign, And the problem is when you follow the signpost instead of the sign giver, then what happens is you will forget. You just will. So there's interesting text in Mark chapter 8. Because think about it.
Yeah, I think it's, they say, I've heard it said this way, you want the kingdom without the king, and that's what they wanted. But when you read that verse about demanding a sign, And the problem is when you follow the signpost instead of the sign giver, then what happens is you will forget. You just will. So there's interesting text in Mark chapter 8. Because think about it.
Jesus fed 5,000 people with, what was it, five loaves of bread and two fish. Then in Mark 8, it's recorded that he feeds 4,000 people, and he had, I think, seven loaves of bread that he fed them with. And you go back to the whole thing that happened in Exodus when he had manna dropping out of the sky. I mean, so there's this pattern in Scripture of Jesus always shows up with the bread, right?
Jesus fed 5,000 people with, what was it, five loaves of bread and two fish. Then in Mark 8, it's recorded that he feeds 4,000 people, and he had, I think, seven loaves of bread that he fed them with. And you go back to the whole thing that happened in Exodus when he had manna dropping out of the sky. I mean, so there's this pattern in Scripture of Jesus always shows up with the bread, right?
Always. He always shows up.
Always. He always shows up.
So I'm in there doing like the whole, I'm doing the lesson and everything. And everyone's like, why is the house so messy? And I was like, I don't know, it's just because things happen. See, y'all just left it messy.
So I'm in there doing like the whole, I'm doing the lesson and everything. And everyone's like, why is the house so messy? And I was like, I don't know, it's just because things happen. See, y'all just left it messy.
I think there's another question that Jesus asked in Mark 8 that ties into this. Because right after the times when he fed them the 5,000, then he fed the 4,000, like right after that. And John, when the Pharisees demand a sign, which is the same place we're at here, In John 8, 14, it says they had forgotten to bring bread. And they'd only had one loaf with them in the boat.
I think there's another question that Jesus asked in Mark 8 that ties into this. Because right after the times when he fed them the 5,000, then he fed the 4,000, like right after that. And John, when the Pharisees demand a sign, which is the same place we're at here, In John 8, 14, it says they had forgotten to bring bread. And they'd only had one loaf with them in the boat.
And he cautioned them, saying, watch out, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, of the leaven of Herod. And they began discussing with one another the fact that they had no bread. Now think about this. It just came out of the scene where Jesus shows up with five loaves of bread. He feeds 5,000 people with seven loaves of bread. With abundant leftover.
And he cautioned them, saying, watch out, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, of the leaven of Herod. And they began discussing with one another the fact that they had no bread. Now think about this. It just came out of the scene where Jesus shows up with five loaves of bread. He feeds 5,000 people with seven loaves of bread. With abundant leftover.
Then they get on a boat and they're like, whoa, we only got one loaf of bread. We're not going to be able to feed ourselves. And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, why are you discussing the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand bread? Are your hearts hardened? Having eyes to see and having ears, do you not hear?
Then they get on a boat and they're like, whoa, we only got one loaf of bread. We're not going to be able to feed ourselves. And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, why are you discussing the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand bread? Are your hearts hardened? Having eyes to see and having ears, do you not hear?
And do you not remember when I broke the five loaves for 5,000, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up? They said 12. And seven for the 4,000, how many baskets were broken and were taken up? And they said to him, seven. And he said, do you not understand? They still didn't get it. And there is something in this too, that those 12 baskets, 12 tribes of Israel. And 12 disciples.
And do you not remember when I broke the five loaves for 5,000, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up? They said 12. And seven for the 4,000, how many baskets were broken and were taken up? And they said to him, seven. And he said, do you not understand? They still didn't get it. And there is something in this too, that those 12 baskets, 12 tribes of Israel. And 12 disciples.
Well, then Jill walks in like during house church, like 25 people. And she's out on hills and it's like clicking through the house. Look, he still remembers.
Well, then Jill walks in like during house church, like 25 people. And she's out on hills and it's like clicking through the house. Look, he still remembers.
The seven baskets. Seven nations. The seven nations of the Gentile territory. Right, right. There's a picture here coming together of, And there's like so many layers of what's happening here that they don't have a clue. But Jesus is revealing it in himself.
The seven baskets. Seven nations. The seven nations of the Gentile territory. Right, right. There's a picture here coming together of, And there's like so many layers of what's happening here that they don't have a clue. But Jesus is revealing it in himself.
And now, because we have the Holy Spirit, Paul says in Ephesians 3, that all of this, this whole crazy thing of Gentile Jew coming together in one kingdom under the king of kings, he says that through the church, the manifold wisdom of God would now be made known to the powers and the rulers in these heavenly realms.
And now, because we have the Holy Spirit, Paul says in Ephesians 3, that all of this, this whole crazy thing of Gentile Jew coming together in one kingdom under the king of kings, he says that through the church, the manifold wisdom of God would now be made known to the powers and the rulers in these heavenly realms.
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And I think that that's what they're doing here when they say, when he's talking about, he said, for the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world. They said to him, sir, give us this bread always. They knew that whatever that, but they didn't know what he was talking about. But the money quote is the next one. Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life.
And I think that that's what they're doing here when they say, when he's talking about, he said, for the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world. They said to him, sir, give us this bread always. They knew that whatever that, but they didn't know what he was talking about. But the money quote is the next one. Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life.
Whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never... I mean, that's the money quote, that he is the bread of life. He's the man of the kingdom.
Whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never... I mean, that's the money quote, that he is the bread of life. He's the man of the kingdom.
we're in a big fight, you know, but that was like a catalyst for our community. Cause it was like, okay, well, married people fight. Yeah.
we're in a big fight, you know, but that was like a catalyst for our community. Cause it was like, okay, well, married people fight. Yeah.
See, right now, there was an opening. This will be great. There was an opening right there that if I had taken it, all the negative energy could have shifted to Jill. She would have been the scapegoat. So it's called the scapegoat mechanism. The key is you cannot allow yourself to be the focal point of the energy of the group.
See, right now, there was an opening. This will be great. There was an opening right there that if I had taken it, all the negative energy could have shifted to Jill. She would have been the scapegoat. So it's called the scapegoat mechanism. The key is you cannot allow yourself to be the focal point of the energy of the group.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think that when you read that text, because it can be confusing, I think you have to, again, read it in the flow of redemptive history and the return to Eden and that understanding that nations were created I mean, they were created by God in Genesis 11. But that's all coming to a close, and he's bringing all the nations back together.
And I think that when you read that text, because it can be confusing, I think you have to, again, read it in the flow of redemptive history and the return to Eden and that understanding that nations were created I mean, they were created by God in Genesis 11. But that's all coming to a close, and he's bringing all the nations back together.
Again, referring back to that verse, and Paul talks about this in Ephesians 3. He says the mystery hidden in ages is a mystery. Basically, the Gentiles are being included into salvation now. So when he talks about, in John 6, I think this is one of the main points he's making. that whoever the father gives me, I'm going to keep them. And who's he going to give?
Again, referring back to that verse, and Paul talks about this in Ephesians 3. He says the mystery hidden in ages is a mystery. Basically, the Gentiles are being included into salvation now. So when he talks about, in John 6, I think this is one of the main points he's making. that whoever the father gives me, I'm going to keep them. And who's he going to give?
He's going to give the children of faith to him. It's the Romans 9 argument.
He's going to give the children of faith to him. It's the Romans 9 argument.
Yeah, we'll break the fourth wall here. And this is so that the key is if you're in the Robertson family. which we all are, even though I'm a Dasher. Same thing with Dashers, too, though. We've got the same problem.
Yeah, we'll break the fourth wall here. And this is so that the key is if you're in the Robertson family. which we all are, even though I'm a Dasher. Same thing with Dashers, too, though. We've got the same problem.
Mom moved in with Dad. Yeah, they went and saw Phil and Kay.
Mom moved in with Dad. Yeah, they went and saw Phil and Kay.
Because then once it happened, like the last podcast, I became the focal point and then all the negative energy. Because I willed it to happen.
Because then once it happened, like the last podcast, I became the focal point and then all the negative energy. Because I willed it to happen.
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An Arden, Alabama fan. So what I'm doing now is I'm sacrificing myself because I had an opportunity when you said that to Jill. I could have turned on Jill. I don't know if you ought to turn on her or not.
An Arden, Alabama fan. So what I'm doing now is I'm sacrificing myself because I had an opportunity when you said that to Jill. I could have turned on Jill. I don't know if you ought to turn on her or not.
I don't. I want to move back into John Smith, man.
I don't. I want to move back into John Smith, man.
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really special to me so powerful it started for me just a little bit before that because Sadie ends the show with a prayer and you know Phil always ended the show with a prayer of that dynasty and so there was like this moment of Well, one, realizing, okay, he's physically not here anymore. Yeah. And so the tears started to come.
But then the realization of the generations that he is passing down on to, and the tears started to come. And then they showed that scene, and I almost ugly cried. I mean, I literally, they threw some tissues across the table. I just, it just was, it was very, it was beautiful, and it was honoring. And it was, I don't know, I thought they did a great job.
Help our backyard. Needs help.
Oh, my word. And she kind of turned a little red. Yeah. And I'm sure I turned a little red because I thought, gulp, that was a stupid thing. So she was standing right next to me, but I didn't recognize her. What is that?
I mean, yes.
Yeah, didn't need that visual.
He had to get a pacemaker put in.
This is a moment. I think that was just a moment.
How old were you when that happened?
I love that, though, because so many times we think someone comes to the Lord and they're going to have everything figured out. They should know all the rules.
And it's like, no, like grace. Like, man, I...
And you don't have to have all the right words because my spirit is going to dwell in you.
No, the kingdom is in our midst. And you can see it and feel it when you're a monk. When you're among the kingdom, you know you're among the kingdom because you can feel the Spirit.
Boots on the ground.
I had no idea, by the way.
No, she's great.
Yeah, I love her.
Well, our house is a revolving door. We come to Louisiana and the place we stay at in Louisiana is a revolving door.
It's like the Toys R Us for kids snack edition.
30-gallon bag.
Garbage bags is one of them.
Well, it's funny you say that because our first fight, although we're not going to talk about our fight.
But I do remember.
Our first marital fight. I was 20 years old when we got married. He was 23, was in the grocery store. And you've got to keep in mind, I had dreamed about this moment. I wanted to be a wife my whole life. I feel like I was just ready. I couldn't wait. And so going grocery shopping.
And I never lived by myself until we got married.
I had a dorm room.
We're not there yet. And so I was so excited. We're married. We've got our grocery cart. We're just going down the aisle. Ooh, Doritos. I got a bag of Doritos. Put it in there. He took the bag of Doritos, put it back on the shelf, and he got the fake Doritos.
Sam's Choice.
I overlooked that.
Well, not yet.
I'm still trying to be sweet.
Still trying to be sweet, Jill. And I'm like, okay, I'm just a submissive wife. We'll get the fake Doritos. So I get a couple more items. Daisy sour cream. Sour cream's important. Get the daisy sour cream. Put it in the grocery. He takes the daisy sour cream out, puts it back on the shelf, and gets the Sam's Choice. Sour cream. And that was it.
I left. I left the cart. I just said, okay. And I just hightailed it in my high heels out of that grocery store.
That was a proud moment.
I didn't break down until then. Four members of our family. I guess they're all in their early 20s. Yep. Pretty impressive. They were amazing.
And the fact that they just stepped into the moment, you know? I mean, and they were, I said, man, were you nervous? And she was like, oh, I was so nervous. I said, I could not tell. I mean, like, you just look like you just nailed it. And I got so lost in the worship, which I rarely do when I'm speaking, because I'm usually thinking about what I got to do. And I was up next after that.
I got lost in it. It was just a... praise. It was amazing.
That was kind of what I based my speech on because, uh, You know, you asked me to talk about his hunting. Al kind of gave us categories that I don't think any of us followed real closely.
It's a lot like this podcast, Zach.
It was so uplifting. And I asked Reed this morning when, uh, welcome Reed. Sorry. I hadn't already done that. Um, but we, uh, we, we wanted, I was like, Reed, what do you think? And, and I don't know, tell what you said.
Well, I think it's people.
As normal human beings, we tend to compartmentalize our life. It's like you have church, and then you have your business, and you have... But I was like, even what's behind all the thoughts when he was running the business and even in the duck hunts, well, it was all just a platform to get people to consider God in Jesus Christ. And that's why I said, really...
When you think about, I asked a question because people ask me probably that question in the hunting world more than anything. What's it like to hunt with Phil? And my answer was intense. Yeah. Because most people that come hunting. It's not for the faint of heart. Most people that come hunting with us, they don't have a pleasurable experience.
Me and Phil, because they're like, well, they're way too serious. But the intensity, it was not just. Judgmental maybe? It was not just to do this as well as you can do it.
Harsh. At the heart of it was those conversations. And I made the point, you know, I've hunted with Phil. for 50 years and do you realize how many conversations that I was privy to in 50 years over three months out of the year and then you throw in the other nine months we're sitting beside each other in a duck call room well they all centered around
And I broke it down to the two camps that mankind is in. You're either running with the devil or you're running with the Lord. And there's no middle ground. So he would always start off those conversations, which Reed kind of touched on it. We'd be sitting in the blind, and we'd have somebody there who he didn't know. At some point, he'd say, what's your story?
Well, I know what's fixed to happen. This guy doesn't realize that it's an altar call and you're fixed to confess your sins. Because the way Phil's mind works is he would read a verse that says, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Well, he knows that's to be true. So when he says, what's your story?
If you try to deny whatever you've been doing, and he would call it cutting up. And he had a little phrase that, you know, it's kind of PG-13, you know. Getting in their britches, that one. You're out there getting drunk, smoking dope.
He'd say, I know you've been out there getting in that old gal's britches. And who else would say that? And, like, the person would be like, yeah.
As the Bible is, by the way. Well, especially in a duck blind. Yeah. You're out there with men and, you know.
We would say locker room duck. Yeah.
What's funny is when I've hunted on public ground, I've heard, you know, you'd be close enough to hear the conversations. And, you know, Phil would be with us. And it was interesting. You know, they're telling dirty jokes and just it's four little words after every little sentence, you know, and they're laughing and cutting up. And here you have a different count.
And it's all, you're talking about that, ain't nobody laughing. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, guilty. But my dad would always, you'd think, well, why would that not be offensive? Because then Bill would tell about his life. And he would say, hey, I've been commode, hugging drunk. I was chasing, you know, women of the evening. Yeah, and he would have complete sound effects.
He did it over and over. That was one of Willie's jokes yesterday, which he landed many funny ones. He said, I know we got a lot of doctors in the room, but my dad could rattle off more venereal diseases than all of y'all combined.
Exactly.
And then look, then he would get to their physical death. He would go through that, which they don't realize. I know where this is headed.
And he would start, he'd get their thoughts on, how do you feel about Don? That's why he came up with all these clever lines. I mean, one that he said for years that I've used that people always laugh at, you know, because it might be a guy,
you know sitting in the blind it works out and eats right you know he just thinks he's on top of the world you know muscle mania and he's always like muscle mania well hey you'll die healthy but you're going down and you know six feet under you remember the famous story about him working out of the church building and the guy who worked out everybody knew who he was because he looked like arnold schwarzenegger before arnold schwarzenegger was a thing i guess it's just the bodybuilder and
I mean, he simply walked by in the parking lot, and my dad was like, whoo-hoo. He had his little sound effect. He's like, whoo, you got some muscles.
Quite the physique.
Yeah. Boy, you're quite a special. So he stopped, you know, and was like. And then all of a sudden, the chest starts to flap. Like a peacock, you've got to put the feathers out. Yeah, he's like, thank you for acknowledging my presence. And my dad said, how are you going to get it out of the ground? And he went, excuse me? He's like, I don't know. How are you getting that body out of the ground?
Because it's going in there at some point. And he was just looking at him, dumbfounded. He said, come down to the house tomorrow. Come on down to the house. And I'll tell you. And the next day, he showed up. But what I told Phil, I said, well, he doesn't even know where you live. He said, if he's serious about it, he'll figure it out. And sure enough, he showed up.
Yeah, it was something. I had to kind of detach myself because Phil had this famous line that he said many times, when I die, don't cry. You can sing, you can dance, you can do a little jig, but I made it. And he was real emphatic about that. So we kind of came up with a plan, which was interesting when we met. The plan that we came up with, we didn't really do.
And what I thought was fascinating about that story is an hour into the discussion, here's this guy who at one time was flexing his muscles. His tears are flowing down his face. It all started in a conversation walking by saying, hey, get the body out of the ground. And so even I thought about bringing this up in my speech about when we had the controversy over the show and all.
But I remember my dad's first take on that when they were like, oh, there's a controversy. He's like, about what? He's like, well, he did an interview. He's like, oh, boy, he was asking me the question. He asked me what sin was. I was quoting Bible verses. Yeah.
He was like, where would you go if someone asked you about sin?
I was like, Phil, I get it. They took the stuff out of the context. But you know what he was so upset about, about the whole thing? He was like, well, they left out the good news. Because I was at that interview. You know, he went through the gospel. In his mind, he was like, well, you just focused on the bad news. I got to the good news, and nobody ever... ever addressed that.
And so that's what all those, you know, that's what stands out in my mind when I looked at his life as a whole. In the Doug blind, it actually was just the perfect backdrop to have a conversation about what's meaningful in life. And I made a point, you know, when I spoke that I think since Phil encountered God, and not in a church religious setting, and I'm using that in quotation, air quotes,
It was more just kind of like Paul. When Paul was salt, he's just living, running with the devil. And all of a sudden, he hears the thrilling news of Jesus. He happens to be in a bar. And the one thing that was really hurting in his life was because even though he was just running wide open, he had lost his family. They were separated, and that's why you're having this intervention.
Which is really what the Bible is about, God getting his family back. And he was so thrilled by it. I think that thrill, and God used that in that moment, it never went away, which is why he continually talked about it. And I was going to do an illustration, because one of his favorite songs was B.B. King, The Thrill Is Gone. Mm-hmm. But he lived the exact opposite of that.
The thrill never left in Jesus. And so I think it was an interesting way to depict what he was thinking. And then when I went to the duck calls, I kind of did the same thing. Like all his ideas... weren't to sell duck calls. I mean, obviously, he was like, yeah, this is fun. We're making money doing what we love. But it was always some connection to something about God that he thought was cool.
I did a couple illustrations. One of them was with the pintail whistle. Because I was there the first day when he realized he had a whistle that sounded like a pintail. He wasn't saying, oh, we're fixing to sell thousands of these. He was like... I discovered the use of a body part that nobody has discovered. God gave us a uvula.
And then I went through his little speech about that, which he's given many times.
Look in the mirror. Open your mouth. You see that little piece hanging there? You always wonder what that was for? It used to sound like a penta. Flutter your uvula.
Well, my point was, and I think people, they were having a hard time wrapping their head around because that was his mindset. He was like, that's why God gave you a uvula, and I figured it out. It's a pintail. He was so excited about that. It was because of the connection with God. It makes great conversation at the end of the day. And so that's kind of how he lived his life.
Everything was a platform.
We were going to do two services, like one for the family, and then we were going to do a public thing just because the outpouring was so massive, which was kind of shocking, I think, to everybody, everyone. I mean, look, I knew Phil's famous, but... I mean, I had hundreds of texts. So you started getting into hundreds.
Oh, he wouldn't say it.
Yeah, if you said that, he would chastise you. Well, that's why I told you, my whole conversion, I mean, I wrapped it up in there because it was true. When he preached for the first time, which was seven years after he came to the Lord, in a church building. I didn't know if you remember that.
I'm not sure I was even there.
Well, the only reason I remember it is because a week later, I came to the Lord. Right after that. I think I was gone. I think that was during my prodigal. Because I thought he was nervous about it. Yeah. You know, because I was – you've got to remember at that stage of my life, I was 14 years old.
I was still – even though my dad had been a Christian for seven years, and I think you maybe – I can't remember which brother talked about that. No, I think you did. It was bumpy.
Yeah.
I saw Willie said that. And I really – I'm glad you said that. It makes me think of that verse in Galatians 4 where it says, until Christ is formed in you. You know, there is a process. I was talking about the transition to transformation. That's what you said. It was a good line because –
What's fascinating about the way God works is he uses you despite you being immature in him as you're growing and learning. And Phil just, you know, he never stopped sharing Jesus. But as he got older, you started seeing more of the love of Christ and the character of God. Even in his last few months, I mean, he was doing things that were downright syrupy. Yeah. if I may say, with the grandkids.
them you know that's right that's why i read the text in first john which if you watch the funeral you'll see the way i did it i i centered it around the verse which is hard to wrap your head around that whoever wants to claim to live in christ must walk as jesus did right and as a young christian when i read that i thought well that's impossible I can't do that. What does that mean? I didn't.
But if you read the whole book of John, so I chose a chapter, which kind of went with our theme, and I didn't even know what the theme was, with the worship songs and love one another and there's no fear in love.
Everything was so compartmentalized, but the Holy Spirit was obviously working because it all blended so well.
Exactly. I thought... I've randomly come up with the verse that backed up the songs because Phil, he had a lack of fear. You know, Reed mentioned that, you know, even having the conversation with, he was a car salesman or whatever, you know, there is a fear that comes up. That's why people don't want to have difficult conversations.
But when you look at what Jesus' life was about, he had very difficult conversations.
I mean, hundreds like it was ringing on your phone like you were at a pinball machine. It caused me a little concern because a lot of them, they weren't in my phone. I'm like, how did you get my number? Who are you? I had a lot of those. I would just say, thanks, bud. There were several I didn't know either, and I was just like, I knew them, but I had several of them.
He didn't care about making people mad, glad, or sad, because he did every time he had a conversation with them. He spoke the truth in love. That's what he did. And so I made the point that, Phil, after a while, it hit me that this is God living in him. This is Jesus living in him. And I said something I thought might be controversial, but I was like, I know we're calling this the funeral.
I was like... Phil Robertson's funeral happened when he was 28. Yeah. Because I saw a person die.
And that person needed to die because I had bitterness toward that person. And that's why I said when he was given his first speech, and since it was so bumpy – I had some bitterness toward my dad, but mostly how he treated mom when we were little kids, not so much us, I guess. And so I just, you know, there was just trauma, bitterness, whatever you want to call it.
I'm sure a child psychologist would figure it out. Yeah. And so I kept thinking. It's why you're the way you are now, James. Yeah, I was like, he'll never last. He'll never last. But what really turned the corner, and I think God used him, when he preached that sermon, I was so shocked that the name of it was The Bad News and The Good News.
And it was the same sermon that I had heard hundreds of times in the living room that he would share with people. And in the duck blind, I thought, well, he just did the same thing he always does. I was fascinated. I thought, oh, we're fixing to hear. Because I was thinking, we're at a church now. I'm fixing to hear some deep. No, it was just the story of Jesus. He basically told about his path.
And it really had an impact on me. And I thought. Because it was the same thing he'd been living. That's right. You're like, there's no difference between... It's the same thing. He'd been talking and living, and I thought, I think I need to look into this. Wow. And he had made a mention about, you need to know who Jesus is. So I just, I read the book of John.
And I was kind of trying to get around it. I was, I remember just reading it, thinking, eh, you know, what does that mean? I... But the more I read, and actually when I got to John 21, because I was into fishing at 14, that's all I cared about was hunting and fishing. And I thought, now he came back from the dead. Why would he go catch a bunch of fish?
So then it got into how, if all these people show up, where are they going to be?
I mean, you just got to remember, at 14 years old, this was like, why would he do that? And I thought, because it's the most fun thing you can do. And he did it with people he used to do that with. And I thought, how exciting.
like he died and they're like oh it's all over and now he went and the first thing he did was what i would do i was like let's y'all want to go fishing and then it just kind of hit me they're eating fish with a guy that used to be dead yeah and i don't know in that moment i thought if there's a way to live forever i think this is it and it kind of broke me and i went in there and i was like well you know bill i've
I've come to a conclusion. I think I realize why you changed your life. And he was, you know, of course, Phil was like, yeah. I mean, everything was like, yeah, where you been?
Jason was really nervous about that in the early planning stage.
So basically what we did, wrong or right, is we just, at the church building where my parents lived, called home, I guess, you know, the very, Al, you made a good point in the funeral episode the very building that my dad, you know, gave his life to Christ. In the very room, yeah. Yeah, in the very room is where we did the ceremony.
That is funny now that I think about it.
Which is why we've compared him a lot on here to John the Baptist. To me, it has that same feel, the wilderness, the out there, the holy ground being where the Holy Spirit is. And it's funny, Jase, my experience was so different from yours. And yet it was another aspect of dad. So mine, and I just briefly mentioned it yesterday, but
I was a prodigal, so I followed the bad footstep, like what I saw, what I was raised with, and the evil one got to me at 14.
And in your defense, even though none of us truly have a defense, I mean, you were five years older than me. Right. And you were put in charge at too young of an age. Exactly. I mean, you basically raised us for a few years.
And now you see what happened. But so my experience at 18 – to come back home and very much like the story in Luke 15, dad, his grace and his acceptance and his lack of Like, well, here's the rules and here's the way it's going to be. He just, you know, he just embraced me and I didn't expect it. Like I thought.
I didn't either. I was shocked. I know. And I was like, get the rocks out.
In our story, Jason's the older brother, even though he's the younger brother. We've talked about this.
Well, I was, but it was just so, you know. When you're young, from my age perspective, you had done so many vile things in my presence. You were sneaking from Phil and Kate. Well, you didn't know. You thought, well, he's back, but he ain't changing. Oh, I was like, this dude, string him up. It's over.
Thank the Lord that Jace wasn't the one. But anyway, so dad has this perspective of grace. And so that obviously then has impacted me as a man because then I plugged in to where Jace is talking about. We had this little group of people there together. And I'm brand new. But I was the only one raised in a church. I grew up in church because their preacher took me all the time.
And Jan had an influence. So all that came back out, and then all of a sudden I realized it's like, man, we get to do this together. And so, I mean, my whole life has been a ministry partnership inside the family and mostly with mom and dad. I mean, from 18 to right up until yesterday. And the blessing of getting to do that and all the groups, there was a couple there yesterday that...
And we didn't, like, that wasn't the original. We didn't know what we were going to do. So it's like we were just guided to this spot. And it hit me the day before when I was, I looked at, you know, walked in there and was looking. We were prepping and, you know, people were rehearsing. They're singing and stuff. And I just, it just, like, was so overwhelming in the moment. I thought.
We used to drive to Alexandria every Thursday night, remember, and have a house church down there with these people because we were baptizing like crazy in hotel swimming pools. I mean, that was just something that the Lord just – it was a wave that came through, and we answered it.
And some of the members of that house church were there. They were there yesterday. Which one of – Kurt's wife, maybe I should mention him because it's kind of embarrassing. She'd come up to me and she's like, I need to tell you something. So I thought we were fixed to talk about Phil. She's like, 25 years ago, you and one of your brothers...
you know, absolutely destroyed the gift that we brought your mom because y'all were horsing around. And I was like, you sure it wasn't me? And she's like, oh, it was you. And she said, and I chewed you out. And she said what she told me. And she did. She raised her voice and was like, I cannot believe that y'all are destroying your mom's property.
This was a gift from us, and you just have no respect.
Well, it must have been you and Willie because it wasn't me. She just said me and one of my brothers, so I'm assuming it was Willie.
And she said, I just want to say I'm sorry about that. She said, I think I killed her. Yeah, it bothered her. I was like, I have no memory. So I had learned forgiveness at that time. If you said something wrong, I was like, you should have been shooting. I was going to say, good for her. I told her, I was like, but the more I'm thinking about the story you're telling me,
I think you did the right thing by getting on. Yeah. I was like, there's no reason for an apology. I just thought that was a weird moment yesterday.
Cause y'all were like teenagers.
Yeah, they don't plot in either, Zach. So I'm like, man, you must have missed the memo on this.
They put the gospel symbols up there, which, by the way, that came from your father-in-law. Did you know that? Larry donated that to the church, those symbols. Somebody made them for him. Oh, Larry. Oh, Larry.
Yeah.
I visualize that too. I was sitting there and I thought all of a sudden I just, my mind went to that image, I guess like a movie and I can see y'all, you know, it's like Phil and they're, it's going to happen right here. Yeah.
This is going to be, it's crazy to say when I lived out there, that's what I told the story. Cause I, I did this all the time because I was like, I'm, this is my neighborhood. All my mentors are there. Now my family's there. The people that I respected in life are there.
I was like, and I used to live next door to it, and I was like, if the resurrection comes while I'm still alive, it is going to be a show. I mean, I'm going right over there because everybody, because it says, the Bible says they're going to come up first.
Well, I'll confess, I thought, I wonder if it'd be wrong to put a deer cam over on the pine tree facing the three crosses.
Well, in any venture, there's a lot of people who start living like the Lord, and they sacrifice and serve, which we had hundreds of people volunteer. Of course, all your family shows up. When we had our little meeting, I guess it was – I'm not sure when we had that family meeting. I think it was the day after he crossed over. I think that was on Monday. On the holiday, yeah.
And watch the footage. Just the GoPro. Yeah, I just want to watch the footage when it actually happens. I was like, I wonder if they'd give me permission to do that. And I thought, oh, that may be stupid. I did think that yesterday.
When you walked in and this was what a month, I guess, before he died. Yeah. We walked into the facility and Zach just lost it. Oh, gosh. You know, when he saw him. But I'm glad you brought this up because I did bring this up at the end of my remarks was that I really struggled with how much he was suffering because he really started digressing physically and mentally.
And it kind of hit me that every time I thought he was completely gone as far as communication-wise, something would happen usually with the grandkids or the wives or whatever. And he would just lift up and say something, you know, he whispered to Sadie, you know, full strength ahead. One moment, my daughter started singing one night. She just tears flowing, blowing down her face. And, uh,
You're like, if something happens to me now, you got it. So you're hosting skills. I mean, he's Al plus.
He had been, he had done nothing all day to show any signs that he was with us. And he reached out his hand, you know, and held her hand. Well, what is my daughter? Look at my daughter's perspective of that. And it kind of hit me that I thought, you know, yeah, he's suffering. And we know that it won't be long. But it hit me in that moment, I thought, God does a lot of good work in suffering.
I thought about Romans 5, you know, it produces character, produces hope. And we always think about the people who are suffering, but it's like, well, what about all these people that are getting these nuggets? My daughter's never going to forget that. Never. And she has been a warrior through this process. She just said, I want to go in and help pop off film. I'm okay.
And she's been there every step of the way. And she was one of the ones leading the singing. So it kind of hit me. I thought, yeah, God does some of his best work in suffering. I mean, you think about the cross itself. Because really, sacrifice is a reflection of love. And so I think Phil got that in the moment.
And so I ended the thing telling the last time that we had a conversation because I didn't even think he was aware. And I was telling him, it's okay. I was like, we're good. Because I thought maybe I need to give him permission. Yeah, I did the same thing. Because he was just digressing so much. But when I said, you're going to meet Jesus, well, he just came too.
And he's like, he grabbed my hand and he said, let's go. And I thought, what is he talking about? And then it hit me. I was like, oh, he wants me to take him. He's ready to go. He's like, let's go. Take me. And I said, I'll tell you what. I'll go get him. Because I didn't know how to get out of the situation. And I thought, isn't that what prayer is?
I was like, I'm going to go. And on the way out, I told Missy, I said, let's go. Because he started banging the rail, like saying, no, I'm ready to go. Take me. I'm ready. Of course, the next day, you know, he went on. But I thought, you know, isn't that something? And so I kind of used it as a call to the family because I know we had, you know, you mentioned it, 300 or 400 members of our family.
And I thought, there's bound to be a couple here that might have lost their way and their focus to Jesus. And so I used that moment saying, are you that excited, you know, to look at your creator and be in his presence?
Yeah, and that was, I'd say, the arch theme of yesterday. The last, you know, the only time I really broke down and cried was the first day Dad was in the facility because I realized now it's like we're heading, and this has been a few months ago, but I started praying over him. It was just me and him. And I just had my hand on his arm and I was praying. And I just started crying.
Our funeral guys were with us, too. Well, I remember we were all sitting around, and I think Willie said, well, what do you all want to do? Or the funeral. Because we kind of had the funeral people there. They kind of went through their bit. And everything that is normal about a funeral prep, we were the opposite. And he's like, I don't think I've ever seen this.
I just could not stop. And it took me to say eight sentences. It took five minutes. And so I got through it. And as soon as it was over, he reached out and he patted me on the hand. And he was like, you did good. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
But I felt like that was my... grief release. And I realized, and so, but after that, it just kind of became something different. And really, I want to say something because we're running out of time, but you, uh, you came that last night and you got in, you'd been, y'all had been on vacation and we'd spent time with you down there. And then you dropped your family off and came right on.
And Phyllis was there the last night. And so was Burley, who's their nurses. And they're just so helpful, but Y'all turned into the trinity of representatives.
Reed, Burley, and Phyllis, which was quite the trio.
And nobody would have planned that. It just happened. But, Reed, what you did that was so powerful about being there was secure mom. You know, you got in the bed with her and she was like, you know, we just get in the bed. Yeah, sure, bro. Okay. And, but just the comfort you brought to her and this, this whole time, so proud of you for that.
And it, it reminded me of like, when you're one of the older, oldest grandkids, like you realize you have to step into the moment. I mentioned Nan yesterday. She's been great too, but it's like, you realize this is my role, you know? And, but you come into that as, as a man or as a woman, about where you fit into a family.
And so getting to watch that, you know, this last few days has been amazing.
Well, it's gotten weird.
And I know we're out of time, but again, Reed won't say this because he wouldn't want to be bragging on himself.
but he literally drove you know they they had just been on vacation he drove his family to nashville and then in the middle of the night drove down and then stayed up all night uh you know with k and phil and and reed was you know there when phil you know breathed his last and he comforted k and they formed a bond you know and he was worried about
leaving now because she's so attached to him but uh i was really proud that that reed stepped up and uh and she's gonna be okay i think she knew that because last night her her charge was reed's been putting me to bed every night and she's like when i'm gonna need basically all y'all i need chauffeurs
We're out of time. I want to tell you two things I brought today. One is I brought Dad's Bible, which was on his casket yesterday, opened to Matthew 28. I don't know who opened it to that. Probably Grace, who did a fire arrangement. And so that I brought that as a reminder that it's always about this podcast has been about the word about being unashamed.
And I brought this, which was the picture just to show you guys that are watching. And so dad's kind of larger than life anyway. And this is a giant picture that was down front. And then we had the painting of Tony that made of him baptizing a woman down front. And it was just the perfect thing as a reminder of what this is all about. So Unashamed Nation. We love you guys so much.
You guys have been there for us. We're carrying the legacy now. We're going to be doing just what he trained us to do. It's not going to stop. And so you need to grow where you're planted and keep doing what we're doing. Reaching people. That's the best thing you can do. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts.
So just because you didn't know who was going to show up and how it was going to be. And we kind of panicked at first because even when Phil literally stopped breathing – It's like the media made kind of an ugly appearance. They started calling people and the family and calling the place where he was at.
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And all of a sudden, there were people at our gates, which leave it to the media to just make you kind of panic and say, everybody, give us a little privacy here. So when we had the meeting with the family, I think Willie said, well, what do y'all want to do? And he looked at mom and said, you know, what would you like to do? And the first thing she said was, well, I want all four boys to speak.
And so then I was like, oh, no.
Because in the moment. Because we hadn't talked about it at all. I mean, what it would be like.
Well, yeah, she said it in a way like on all the boys to speak, but we were in the room and I was like, what boys? I mean, I want you boys.
She did say that.
And I think I said something like, which made her mad. I was like, well, you realize this will perhaps be the longest funeral in history. Because, you know, we all talk a lot.
I told them 12 to 15 minutes. It was my general thing. But I told, so we wound up doing it, and you guys will all see it, but we wound up having Jeff and Phyllis go together. And the reason why is because Jep is mortified. Like, Jep just, he turned just white as soon as his mom said it. You know, because he is mortified about being in front of people and speaking.
He's done it because he's not, and he's pretty, he's okay.
He was great. So Jep just turns white as a ghost. He's like, oh. So in the moment when we were talking, and I figured Phyllis would want to say something too because mom didn't bring it up, but I thought she'll want to say something. So afterwards, I pulled Jep aside. I said, what about if Phyllis wants to say anything? Y'all getting up together.
But, like, I'm so appreciative to everybody that stepped in this week. And, you know, it's just been a whirlwind. I sent a text out today to the siblings because everybody spoke yesterday at the funeral and just said, you know, like, I'm relieved because we did it and we got it done. But also, it's like... I have this larger-than-life-now perspective of dad.
Sometimes you need a buddy.
Yeah, and he was like, oh, wow, that would be so good. And I said, well, let me see. And she did. And so they did it together. And it kind of flows through. So at first I was going to kind of like intro everybody, and then I was trying to conserve time. And so I was going to tell the joke. that I do when I'm out on the road.
When I talk about Jep being my little sister, I would always say he was the little sister we never had. But then Phyllis found us, and so I had a little sister, so it ruined the joke. So now I say, but he needed a sister to play with. You know, two girls. And so the fact they were up together, that was going to be my joke that I never got to tell. So I'm ashamed you get mine.
You'll get to see it, though.
Yeah, so he did that. Then Willie, who turned out to be the most long-winded, so maybe I'll need to edit some of that. I think he went about 30 minutes. It was good, though. And I might have went 20. Yeah, it was basically I called Willie the comedy hour.
He was funny. Yeah, it was funny. And he kept engaging Mom, and then Cy – kept talking back to Willie throughout his entire.
Well, the back story to that was I said, well, somebody needs to maybe ask Si. I said that in the meeting because Si wasn't there. If he wants to say a few words and somebody reached out and said, nope, he doesn't. But then he did the whole time. Which made sense, look, because he's the sidekick.
Welcome back to Unashamed. Jason and I are finally back in the house. It's been quite the week. We took a break. Reed and I have been holding down the fort. We brought Reed in. Let me just start off, Zach, because I watched about 15 minutes this morning before I left. of the last podcast, I guess, with Mac and Mary and Paul. And I was impressed.
He was the sidekick to Phil and Kay through their first years of dating and probably 10 years of their marriage. And so he turned into the Echo, which was funny. And he was on here, right?
Yeah. Yeah. It was great. It was like a reunion. That's what several people said.
One of the things that I wasn't really planning on, because we're also involved in our little area of planning, I didn't realize how many people who have been a part of the Duck Commander journey would be there, Chase. Did you notice that? Yeah. Like W.E. Phillips and Sinky and all the old camera folks. Even Jimmy Redd was there.
It's just bigger than it was even because we were so in the weeds of everything, Jay says. So I'm kind of glad to be back here and talking to Unashamed Nation about it. You guys have been amazing. The tributes. I've only been able to glimpse a little because I've been so in the weeds, but I'm hoping next week to watch more of the stuff that's out there. It's been amazing.
He made an appearance. He came in. He had a nice shirt on. I was like, Jimmy Redd, look at you. And it just was really – It was very touching to me. And so I, you're right, Zach, for that first, because we all got there early. So we probably just had an hour just to visit and talk to people and catch up. All my cousins were there.
And then Reed, you mentioned something that was very powerful just about the three days we had to, because it was a holiday weekend when all this happened in the holiday. Yeah. But everybody was able to come and just tell your perspective of, like, all our cousins, you know, your cousins, moms, grandchildren, just that ebb and flow of how that went.
It has been. So in our time, I guess this is one day – from the funeral, which we had, right. Which I think we're releasing that at some point that y'all filmed it.
And that's the way it should be like your patriarch or your matriarch. I mean, they should lead that way, you know, and I just I said that to our family that, you know, look, so many people have had lost people, lost kids and lost, you know, people early and just those difficulties you go through. But this was the way you want it to be.
you know, you hope it to be is that, you know, your, your matriarch and your patriarchs go first, you know what I mean? Like they live that life and they have that example. And I watched all the Reed's generation of our, you know, our kids now, Jason, seeing our grandkids and seeing them step into those roles. Um, they led worship, you know, some of our kids, Zach's kids and me and Bobby, Will.
None of us knew what Phil was thinking. That's okay.
Yeah. Hang on, man. No, hang on. I don't know why. I talked to Kay the other day.
Something about handling snakes and that deal, too. Oh, that's North Carolina.
We were married in 76, Mary.
Yeah. Okay.
In the back of your dad's brown station wagon.
Yeah, so our early story was I was – rebellious, to say the least. And I saw, this is what I saw in Christianity. I'm not saying that that's what it was, but I saw a system that was in place that no one could ever live up to. And so I thought, why in the world would I want to be a part of this if failure is the end result anyway?
And so I started doing, it was early 70s, I was doing all kinds of drugs and stuff, you know, My mission was to try them all, and that's what I did. I still can't believe her dad even let me come over to their house. If I would have been... her dad, I would have got a hit man or something. Get this kid out of here. Yeah. But he didn't, uh, he saw something in me.
Yeah, absolutely.
The cool, uh, fast forward way, just a little bit of snippet was that the last 10 years of his life, we served as elders together in the church. And, uh, that was probably one of the coolest thing. Yeah. And so, but anyway, my life was, um, full of just bad decisions. We got married because Mary got pregnant and, um, didn't realize that all it took was one time to, to, to do the deal. And she did.
And so we got married, her dad officiated the service. And, um, so from that point on for the next 10 years, I lived a very rebellious life doing any kind of drug I could do. I was, uh, uh, shooting up all the time and all that stuff, something I'm definitely not proud of, but I am proud of the fact that Jesus would take the biggest risk ever on me and trust me. And, um,
Yeah, we were, Mary had already turned her life back over to Jesus. She said several years earlier that she was going to quit all the partying and stuff. I said, well, go ahead, not me, because this is how you marry me. I'll be this way to the day I die. That's just who I am. And she went to church that morning. Our kids were, I think, four and seven.
Yeah. Well, that says a lot right there. Hey, no, really, for me, it's like, if you sit next to, I sat right next to Phil in the duck blind, you know, because I was the biscuit man, so he was closest to the food, you know. But if you're sitting there, that means there's somebody on the other side of you, and usually that was some idiot that was shooting, and it was always in my ears.
Our youngest daughter, Callie, came and stood beside the bed and looked at her mom and said, She was looking at me, but talking to her mom and said, how come daddy doesn't do anything with us anymore? How come he doesn't go to church? And I would pretend to be asleep. But I heard every word she said. And it was that moment God gave me this gift of clarity.
And the clear thinking that I had right then, that moment of sane thinking, was that I was killing everybody that I claimed to love. And so they left for church that morning.
Yeah, please.
Because you thought I was insane.
There's a mental illness in the family, and she thought, well, he's insane too.
And what was the sermon that morning?
And the girls were in the backseat singing?
Because real men don't cry.
He was an old country preacher that loved broken people.
And that was the coolest thing ever because he came over that day. Because I was like, you know, OK, I guess I'll talk to Ray. What I didn't know, he'd been coming to my shop for years and he would get me to build stuff for him. And it was stuff he didn't even need. I mean, he just gave me a bit.
And so, you know, back then, nobody wore hearing protection. And so that's why none of us can hear anymore. All them shotguns.
He was building a relationship because he saw something in me that was worthwhile while others saw worth less. Yeah. And so he came over that day and said, look, you don't have to confess before the whole church, but if you do, you might help somebody else. I'm thinking, I might help somebody else. I'm the one that needs help right now. You know, so anyway, we went to church that night.
Or shooting up in the church bathroom.
But nobody went. No more overalls at church. Every Sunday.
That's exactly what they said. They said, you're our first drug addict. We don't know what to do with you. But we want you to keep coming back. And that's what I heard. But there's a little lady there that came up to me that night. She goes, I think you need to go to AA. And I said, is that like a car club? She said, no, that's AAA. You need AA Alcoholics Anonymous. That was a true story.
Yeah, because normally when somebody came down front, I remember I had to come down front years earlier when I was a teenager. And Bill, his father-in-law, one of our mentors, took my response. And he said, well, he said his priorities are out of line, but I think he just likes to sin.
Oh, I had a resentment for him. I had a resentment towards him for years. Later, I had to go back and make amends, part of my recovery journey.
And I told him how much I didn't like him. He said, oh, I knew that.
Oh, that's right. And I, by the way, won that contest. If you don't believe it, go back on YouTube. You'll see that I won.
Oh, it's like famous. Oh, that's funny.
Every sin. Huh? Any sin.
Right, yeah. That was a pretty interesting story, actually. I went to treatment. That's where they said, you know, Mary said, this guy wants to talk to you at this treatment center. And I said, pfft. I'm not crazy. I said, you know, but if you want me to go, I'll talk to him. He won't want me to stay. You'll see. Well, he did want me to stay. And so I told him, I said, I guess I'll stay.
But I got to go home and I get my I got to get my stuff.
He wasn't coming back home.
I couldn't even leave the door, man. So you said, no, we'll bring it in. You just stay right back here. And so it was supposed to be a 30-day treatment center. And at 19 days, they said, we can't do anything more for you because of White's Fair Road. The next Sunday, I'm in this treatment center. Ray Milton gets up there.
The Sunday before, by the way, was the first time anybody actually said what somebody was sinning for. Yeah. And Ray said, Mike's doing drugs.
No.
You'll be bleeping me out.
On that Sunday, and there will probably be plenty of Facebook comments, what was the response? We're not going to say it. We're not going to say it. No, that's okay. But on that Sunday, of course, her dad's sitting down front, and I'm taking responses, but I'm looking at her dad, and he's just like... He started holding his chest. I'm like, oh, he's going to die right now.
And after that, the next elders meeting, all the elders, the older elders got up to Phil and said, look, you're going to be taking responses in the back of the auditorium.
No, look, he's sitting there on the video, actually, and he has a shotgun shell that's already opened up. And he's like spitting in the shotgun shell. Accuracy.
We got derailed with that. He did get banished to the back. But anyway, so I'm in this treatment center. I've been in there a week now. And the next Sunday morning, Ray gets up and said, hey, we're going to send Mac a card this Sunday. Everybody just get a card out and write something to Mac. And look, I got over $700. cards that next day in that treatment center.
And I still have them to this day. I have them in an envelope at home, all those cards, all those years ago of a church family that loves somebody. that was as broken as you can get. And that was one of the most amazing things in my life. That's why the treatment center finally said at 19 days, you got what you need. You got your people. And I got my people.
And so I come back to church the next Sunday and I see Phil there. I didn't know him. I like duck hunting. He liked duck hunting. I didn't use his duck calls. I used Jensen duck calls and old duck calls.
He still, from the early days, he's like, I can't believe you. Those are the sorriest calls ever.
Yeah, they were. And by the way, in the 40 years that I knew Phil, He never called me Mac one time. He always called me Owens.
Sister Owens, yeah. And all the time we spent together was still that. But anyway, so I went up to him, and I heard he'd been sharing the gospel with people. And I'm like, I think I need to know how to do that. Start with this guy.
And so I went up, took two weeks to do it. He didn't wait that long. But I went up to him and said, hey, I heard you share the gospel with people. I think I need to learn how to do that. He said, yeah, I'll get back with you. And he just walks off. So two weeks go by and he doesn't give me a call.
And so I called him up and I said, hey, I thought this was like some kind of brotherhood or something. And are you ashamed of me? Because you have not given me a call. He said, hey, Owens, I'll get back with you. And look, he said, he looked over at Kay, and he said, that was that Owens cat. He said, I think he's serious. And look, from that moment on, we went on. I would stop my work.
He would give me a call. Got to study. Got to study. We would go on more. We went on more Bible studies together. I became his scribe. In other words, he would share the gospel, but he never would give people verses. So I said, I'm going to start writing them down. And so everything he'd share, I'd write it down and then give it to the person as they left there.
And so that's how I learned to share the gospel was just by writing down what he had been sharing with people. And I'll never forget that we went on one run, 23 gospel studies and no response. It was a response, all right, but it was like, we don't want none of that. And I'm like, good night, son. What are we going to do? And he's like... The next one's coming. And it kept going.
Finally, on number 24, this old sinner that used to play football with him at Tech, we find him somewhere, and he says, no, I want in on this. And Phil looked at me and said, 24.
It was high octane. It was.
And so... They approached us with this, and I want you to tell that story because I still thank God today for good, godly women who have questionable taste in men.
Well, and Mary would say, please don't ever use that as your claim to fame, that you won that contest. Mary, you didn't like that, did you?
It was the most... Uncomfortable thing that me and Phil could have ever done.
That's awesome. Alive and active. I love it. You know, I love that because... You know, Bill Smith, too, who was the one that converted Phil, became our mentor. And even, like I said a while ago, I had to go make amends to him because I had this major resentment against him. And then he became one of the men. You know, he was a hard man. I mean, I would hate to say a little bit pharisaical.
But then he softened, and he became one of the most genuine Christians I've ever met in my life.
100%.
100%. And when I... I love the fact that there was a guy at our church one Sunday. This is after we'd had recovery meetings going in the church and everything. And Jason Jenkins, he comes to church this one Sunday morning and he come up to me afterwards and he said, and Bill was there too. He said, there was a group of people who were like visually worshiping this morning. Who are those people?
And Bill Smith, he said, oh, those are the drug addicts and alcoholics. He said, once they got here, they taught the rest of us how to be honest.
What did you call it?
Yeah, they were visually worshiping.
Yeah, like this Friday night, they'll have probably 500 people there.
Is that right?
I am the global— Director of celebrate recovery. And what that means is that, you know, people say, what does that title mean? I said, first of all, I'm not real big on titles, but it means I was more messed up than anybody else. But your dad, uh, I love it. Your dad's in this picture too. He's at our celebrate recovery one night and you know, he did a video.
He had got a guy coming from Texas, did a video of Bill, Phil, myself, and it was just about how the progression of sharing the gospel goes and how you- Like the generations of it. Yeah, generations. And this dude, he's an ex-baseball player or whatever. He's huge, man. He's in our Celebrate Recovery that night because Gordon, your dad, said, hey, you want to go to CR tonight? He said, what is CR?
He said, oh, you got to come by. So he goes in there and- They're worshiping that night. Visually worshiping. Visually worshiping. And I look back, and this guy, big old dude, sitting down and just bawling. And your dad looks over at me and says, is everything okay? He said, yeah. He said, what's going on? He said, I've never seen people worship like this.
And your dad said, nobody told them they couldn't.
They don't know any better. I'll use that. I love that.
That's very good. Well, he says in Ephesians 6 there, too, that he says, you know, that our battle is not against flesh, but against the heavenly beings that are just right outside of our view. You know, so there's a battle going on right here. But because of this and us sharing God's power to change lives,
Already written. You already did it? Yeah. Matter of fact, I wrote it down and
uh well years ago uh i love that verse uh because it says you know therefore you're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses and because of that you need to get rid of the sin that so easily entangles you and throw that off so that you can run the race that yours that has been set before you and so years ago uh one of my heroes actually darren allison died
And I was just looking at that verse and I said, he's in that great cloud of witnesses now. I'm writing his name down in here. And so from that day forward, every time somebody died that was prominent in my life, I would write their name down. And so actually Alan Lisa texted me that night and said, would you send us a picture of Hebrews 12? And I knew what they meant. And so I did. And I have,
It's really cool because there was one place left in my Bible that was Phil's place. I didn't know it.
but it was right above that part that said you're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses and so in big bold letters I just wrote feel and then I put an arrow out beside it and at the top of the page my friend and brother and so so yeah he's in Hebrews 12 now if you never thought about that I would encourage you
When somebody passes on in your life that has meant something to you in the faith, go to Hebrews 12 and just put their name in the margins.
Okay.
You know, you said that. That should be a red flag for anybody. When somebody says the most holy words that I've ever heard is, I've never told anyone this.
Because you're fixing to embark on part of their journey that you may be a catalyst to help them overcome that. And so, yeah, that's powerful words right there.
Yeah, I love what you said, being back here. Of course, we're living in Colorado now, and everybody back here is talking about how hot it is. I said, well, it snowed at our house a foot and a half last week.
I've been asked to leave places before, too. Yeah.
Right, 9,000 feet. And Phil would look at me and say, Owens, why would anybody want to live there?
He was another... Man, you're bringing up a lot of names. I know Wayne Spruill. I know William Guyton. We go back a long way, Paul. We really do.
It was pretty cool because when you're doing that, you're going to school, and I'm working construction. I'm actually digging the footings for Ouachita Christian School. Is that right? That was the hottest summer of my life. Well, I appreciate that, man. No problem.
I killed him for you. You had stifled him.
I guess this podcast, well, it turned into, for the first time in almost 600 podcasts, it went from a storytelling to action and adventure. Yeah.
Dying of sin is death. But see, I think what happened is that wasp heard us talking about giving life for making the world a better place, and he thought, I'm just going to give my life for the rest of these wasps here.
I would recommend that we bump that one segment up into the actual, like has the intro for the main body. Here's what you'll see.
Now, that's a Robertson trait, Phil. You've been doing this for years. When something bad happens, Phil immediately assesses blame. This would never happen. Whiskers wasn't long enough.
Yeah.
But God always uses people that you just don't think. he would use to really transform the world.
That's good. You got a romantic side. I never knew that.
I hope Missy's hand a lot because she's cold nature. That's true.
So always, even yesterday, because I thought she's probably cold in here because it was a little drafty. And I grabbed her hand and sure enough, it felt like. Like two ice cubes. I mean, it's just a little way.
Yeah. Like that. But if somebody walked by. I feel left out not having Zach here to say something nice about me.
I just see, I envision, feel. It's one of the saddest things I've ever watched in my life. In an urban city on a street corner with a sign that says, shut up.
That I am. It's the greatest line in the history of humanity. The greatest line is when they said, where's that in John? Yeah, John 8. He says, who are you? And he's like, I am. That's right.
From lost to saved.
Oh, that's right.
Phil was teaching a Bible class while he had. He was passing a kidney stone. Yeah, kidney stones. And they said, you might already go to the hospital over that. And Phil's like, nah, it'd be all right. And so about halfway through the class, he goes down to one knee. And I thought, well, this is something he's going to show people when you pray. Humility. I thought it was an illustration.
And he said, everybody rest easy. I'm in a little bit of pain here. And then he turned over and went, he's still teaching. He went on his back. So just imagine there's a class full of people looking toward the podium and there's a man looking like Phil does on his back. Look. And he started raising his feet up against the wall and he kept on trying to get a little relief here, but never fear.
And look, his intensity. He never stopped. He never stopped the lesson. And finally, after it was the time, okay, it's been 45 minutes, that a man taught with his head pointing the other way with his feet up on the wall. Did he have a Bible? He had his Bible.
His lips started quivering. And I thought, this man's fixed to die right here. And he's my dad. In the Bible class. In Bible class. And they finally convinced him to go up.
Of course, then he goes to the hospital and they say, you know, we got to go up in there and see what's going on. And Phil said, whoa, whoa, whoa, go up in there.
Explain that one. Go up in there. So Phil gave them an exegesis on it. what a one-way road is supposed to be. But anyway, they said, well, Phil, we're gonna put you under. And I'm getting to the point that Phil does not, when he has an ailment, he just doesn't do what normal people do. And he said, I would rather you not put me under because he's kind of weird about that.
I'm getting queasy.
When I was a kid, you know, Phil and Kay, they didn't tell us they loved us. I mean, it just wasn't. Do you remember the first time that he told you that?
Yeah, I appreciate it. That's probably the third or fourth time. I mean, I was a grown adult. No, Phil did it through. He made a big deal the first time because he just said, I never have said this, you know?
It actually did. They quit stealing from it. What started us to be on TV was a commercial. That's right. And Benelli became our sponsor, not because we wanted to leave Browning. They said, thank you, we no longer need your services, which is kind of how it goes when you have sponsors for videos and all. So Benelli, I think it was one of the funniest moments ever
Because they wanted to do a commercial because they really liked our videos. And they said, we want to do a commercial. Would y'all do it for Benelli? And we'll give you whatever money to help you do your video. And look, it was not big money. No, it wasn't back then. Everybody's like, oh, you got Benelli. I think we were more excited about getting the Benelli shotgun.
Oh, you're doing it to get the shotgun because, I mean, they're proud of it. They have a high dollar, but it's a great gun. So they all come down. This is before any of us has ever seen a TV crew or people. And so here's a little – a small crew, which it looked big to me back then. It was about four or five. Yeah, three or four people, and they got some cameras.
And the guy who led it, who became known as the Marine, he was like getting – they had sheets of paper and with dialogue and – Phil was just standing there. He kept saying, y'all ready? Y'all ready? And they were like, yeah, we'll be right with you, Phil. I mean, they were like, and I think if he says this, we'll do this three times. Phil said, y'all ready? Y'all ready? And everybody kept talking.
And finally, the Marines. Well, they were going to say, what is the best shotgun? And they wanted him to.
To promote their shotgun.
That's right. Which is what TV people do. Oh, yeah. And Phil said, y'all ready? I got it. And he's like, well, you got what? Phil's like, I got the line. You can save all that crap. Which is kind of how the way we filmed that. The Marine, to his credit, which is why he became one of the producers of the show. That's right. He said, hey, he kind of jumped on the crew.
He said, hey, turn the camera on and shut your mouth and let's hear what he's got to say. And so they turned the cameras on. It feels that the best shotgun is one that goes boom, boom, boom. And it was like a weird silence. And then they all kind of chuckled. Yeah. And Phil said, that'll do it. And so, like, start getting his mic off, you know. And the room said, you know what?
I think he's right. And when he said that, the look on the crew's faces were like, are you crazy? Are you insane? We've set this whole thing up, brought all these people here. But he was right. It was a great line. And that was the line. Oh, it was their hook.
hi, guys, use this Benelli Super Black Eagle 3. It's great for functionality. Well, people, they quit listening when he went, hi, guys. They gone. That's right. They on the port. But if you can say something that makes people think that's not on the nose, which, granted, is why we started doing a TV, because the Marine, he thought, huh, that was kind of clever. We need to get these guys a TV show.
And so that introduced Benelli Presents.com. Paul makes a point. He got you? Yep, he got you, Al. He's in your shirt. You got him? There he is. One finally got you. You're stinging? Yeah, he's stinging. Oh, man. Then he gave the death. I'll kill him. Well, I think you crippled him, but I will kill him for you.
They were there when I got there. I got there. I think Missy was there. Missy. Everybody showed up. And then we came late.
If you leave, we'll carry on with that.
So I told that story because I wrote down and maybe it was the Holy Spirit. So I was going to say, you know, then I was going to address because I knew my mom was watching because Missy was with her and was streaming it. And I was going to say thank you, you know, to my mom. I was going to be personal, but that's why I got a little choked up because I knew I had to get to that.
And I was going to say thank you for being God's glue and propulsion to help us fly. And so that was – and then I was going to make a comment about that's – She did that based on the Spirit of God and her following Jesus. She was trying to get that into us at an early age. That was kind of the idea about it. But I wanted to share it, and since I was going to save it for the sermon, but...
I just thought, I'm going to be a basket case if I do that. That was just, that was too raw in the moment.
I mean, what?
Well, because I really just thought if I start this, I don't think I can – get through it. And I didn't want it to be that awkward, but I wanted to share that because my whole point is, I love it. Uh, you know, it does make you thankful of what the Lord did in destroying this enemy. You know, he, he views death as an enemy. Yeah.
He says that in, you know, first Corinthians 15, he says the last enemy is, To be destroyed is death. Where's that in 1 Corinthians 15? When he hands over the kingdom to the Father. Let's get the exact verse on that because it's... I think we tend to always think, well, the enemy, we have an enemy.
Because it says it again at the end, too. Yeah, it says, you know, in verse 22, it says, for as in Adam, all die. Ever since Adam and Eve... And you remember the conversation. The evil one, who is also an enemy, but what is he known for? Being the ruler of the realm of the dead. Because that was his whole plan once he fell from his role and didn't image God. Well, what is he going to do?
He's going to destroy God's plan. And I believe, you know, you can make a case from Scripture, is that's why... the evil one and all his entourage are doing this. They're trying to delay the plan of God because the longer they delay... the more they can exist because they're ultimately going to be destroyed. And I think it's interesting that that is one enemy.
But the other, we don't look at death as an enemy because it says in 23 of 15, but each in his own turn, Christ the firstfruits. Then when he comes, those who belong to him. Well, there we are. Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God, the Father. After he has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. There's that reference to the evil one and his entourage.
But then watch where he goes. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies. Well, I thought that was all of his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. Death itself is then destroyed. Right. Which is kind of obvious, but we don't think about it because we're going to live forever. Right.
Some people say, well, what's going to happen then? What's to cause this from all happening again? Because he will destroy death itself.
Well, and the only difference is some is, you know, in Adam, they're all going to die. Right. But in Christ, you know, it says he died for everyone, 2 Corinthians 5, which is a very interesting verse. It says when he died... Therefore, all died. Yeah. It was then made available to all. I don't know how. I know there are some religious groups that have trouble with that. Right.
But that's what it says. Right. But it doesn't mean that you're going to surrender to the Lord. Right. Which just seems like a no-brainer. Right. I mean, there's a way not to die. Are you in? It's through Jesus. And people say, nope, I'm going to take my chances. That's not it. That's not a good way of thinking. That's not a good strategy. I agree. So...
To segue into John, I guess we can just go on without that. I think he is officially taking his lovely wife.
Amen. And I know we're going to move to John, and we're done with my sermon, but one point I did not make since you said that prayer, I feel led to do this. You know, one of the things that God gives his family, And I made this point ad nauseum, but use it. The Father is for us. Romans 8, if God is for us, who can be against us? And in love, he started this whole thing.
And, you know, based on what we read in Ephesians 3, you know, when Paul said, for this reason I kneel before the Father from whom the whole family in heaven and on earth derives this name. And there's a lot about prayer in Ephesians. But it's either Paul praying or, you know, when he gets to chapter 6, I mean, we have this armor of God, and he keeps bringing up prayer.
He's like, verse 18, pray in the Spirit on all occasions. With all kinds of prayers and requests, with this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying. Verse 19, pray also for me. And I had two verses that I didn't read, but it was based on the point that in Christ is where God and humans meet, heaven and earth coming together, being connected. Jesus in heaven representing us.
We're representing him because he's given us his spirit. But there's also a perspective of that about the Father because in Ephesians 2, 18, and I want to read this. Because what you just did in prayer is based on that fact, what I just read. It says, for through him, we both, talking about Jews and Gentiles coming together as a new people, we both have access to the Father by one spirit.
Then he says in 3.12, right before he literally prays that I'm going to read that. But in 3.12, he says, I ask you, now this is the next mystery, talking about the church is going to make known to the heavenly realms what God has done in his wisdom, which he accomplished in Christ Jesus. That's verse 11. So then verse 12, it says, in Christ, in him, and through faith in him,
we may approach God with freedom and confidence. I mean, it's something I didn't notice when we studied Ephesians. We talk about in Christ, we talk about he's given his spirit, but he's also addressing God being for you. And now you have access through Jesus humbling himself and through the spirit humbling himself.
himself as a spirit pointing and teaching about Jesus while he's in your literal body. And Romans 5 echoes that.
Well, she's doing better, and I actually had a story that I did not share in the sermon about... my mom, I did share a couple of funny stories, which we talked about the on the last podcast and we won't get into it again, but I had one at the end. Cause it was a touching story that happened, uh, while they're here. And it's a great facility.
Yeah, and you declaring that through prayer, that's why he didn't just say pray, which he did many times when he was talking about the armor of God. He went through each aspect of the armor, but when he got to pray... Praying, he said it multiple times.
And he had showed you examples of it when he said, you know, early on in chapter 1 where he prayed that you would know him better, which is how God revealed himself in Jesus. So that's part of it. But then when he prayed in that, I mean, it's one of the greatest prayers in the Bible. In verse 16, he says, I pray of chapter 3.
I pray that out of His glorious riches He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you're being rooted and established in love. Well, there's going back to the Father. It goes back to Ephesians 1.4. In love He predestined us. Because a lot of people, they argue about what predestination means.
And I'm like... And that's fine, which I believe it's God's plan in Christ, which I clearly preached on. But I'm like, wherever you start, the root of it is love. It's the Father's love.
And so then it says that they may have power together with all the saints to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ and to know this love that surpasses knowledge that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. He wouldn't write that if God wasn't for you. That's right. Well, that's why I think it's awesome that your immediate response was,
Well, let's pray about this. Exactly.
It's like little, little cabins and homes, you know, apartments.
No, I agree. That made me think, because we were talking about the resurrection earlier and ending death itself. You know, Romans 8 is... I mean, it's got to be top five chapters that we're going with if you can only have five. Something just to encourage people, yeah.
Yeah. And so, uh, and, and, and they, they, they've kind of realized now at this point that they need it. And so, uh, But my dad's not been doing well at all, just physically and mentally. But even yesterday, you know, because he's not real mobile, and so I was moving him around at his request, you know. Yeah.
And, I mean, he starts talking about we're children, you know, and it says in verse 17 of 8, it says, if we're children, then we're heirs, heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Because, you know, life is filled with suffering.
Even Paul writing his letter, you know, where he said all this about praying and praying and praying and then, you know, pray for me. He was chained in prison. Yeah. And, you know, people read that and it was like, Well, sounds like God's not listening. How come he's chained up?
And I think these kind of verses make more sense in that moment that when you take on the powers that are against God, there will be resistance. I mean, there's different forms of suffering. You know, God uses discipline, you know, to Hebrews 11. 12 talks about that, you know. But there's also the evil one trying to make you stop talking, which is why he would just kill people.
He was a murderer from the beginning. That's why most of the guys in the New Testament were martyred, I think, all but one. And so, I mean, life is going to be filled with suffering. But then he goes on to talk about our future glory, and he gets into this, even talking about the creation itself, which...
Now through the years, I've kind of changed my opinion on this because I'm kind of a new heaven and new earth guy. I realize that phrase is used just as a new world. I mean, even talking about when the temple would be destroyed, he was like, there'll be a new heaven and new earth. Immediately everybody thinks, oh, this is at the end. But it was a new world for Israel. Yeah.
But I do think Revelation 21 and Romans 8 here, I mean, God is pretty good at creating things. And he's really good at newly creating things, which is what he does. Recreating, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Ephesians 4 talks about that. He's talking about put on the new self. So I'm at the point now where, and throw in the fact that Jesus post-resurrection was eating fish with his disciples, right?
And even though he doesn't weigh, you know, what he once did, I mean, it's pretty hard to. Because he can't really help you. Yeah, he can't help you. And it's sad. And we get it, us telling y'all. We're so close to it that it's just kind of the new normal.
I'm like, I'm more of a new heaven and new earth. Whatever it's going to be, the place, I just think it's a, whether you want to call it a new earth or a renovated old one, I mean, it's not like that's a problem for him. I mean, he can create man from dirt and all the stars and all just at the snap of his fingers. But anyway, it talks about all that to get to my point. And it says in verse 23,
of Romans 8, not only so, but we ourselves who have the first fruits of the Spirit, we groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons. And then it's a curious phrase because it says the redemption of our bodies. And it's like, even though we're sons now because we have the Spirit, we've surrendered to Jesus,
It's like that's the now not yet kind of picture of what these acts of the whole Bible narrative shows, that at some point we're officially adopted because we now have a body that can't die. But what I find interesting is then he segues and uses the same terminology that So he says, verse 24, for in this hope we were saved.
But hope that is seen is no hope at all because we don't have our new bodies yet. So then it says, in the same way, he makes a transition here, which I think is very important. The Spirit helps us in our weakness. Now that goes to what you said about the Father. Yeah. Back to Romans 5. And watch what he starts talking about. We do not know what we ought to pray for. Right.
Who hadn't struggled there? All right. I'm not even sure which question to ask. Exactly. But then it says, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us. And this is the phrase I wanted to get when you brought up dad. With groans that words cannot express, we tend to think, well, evidently the Spirit is doing that.
But even in our frailties and sufferings, and my dad sometimes groaning, and you have no idea what he's talking about. Right. you know that the Spirit is working in those moments. Exactly. And so what I really find fascinating is it goes on to 27 and says, "...and he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit because the Spirit intercedes for the saints." in accordance with God's will.
And all of this that I'm reading makes so much sense when you look at the Lord's Prayer, when Jesus said, Our Father, and he prayed that the kingdom of heaven would come on earth as it is in heaven. Well, what's he talking about?
He hadn't even died, been buried and raised, but he was looking forward to this connection that human beings would have as being members of the kingdom, which I find fascinating. It's like the kingdom is all over the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And, you know, Jesus himself in March, like the kingdom is at hand. John the Baptist, the kingdom is at hand.
And it goes through all these things about the kingdom won't come visibly. You won't look at a place and say, here it is or there it is because the kingdom is within you. And that Mark now one says, uh, the king, uh, some of you will not taste death before you see the kingdom, uh, So it's all this language, but nobody ever says what it is. Right. Have you noticed that?
He didn't say, oh, wait a minute, time out. And nobody asked him. It was like, what do you mean by that? Yeah. And so I think the reason is, is this aspect of it is, yeah, I would define the kingdom as where the king is reigning. Yeah. Well, he does it now because he gives you his spirit.
He's reigning at the right hand of God on our behalf, and you see this connection on the planet because human beings now are representing him. But it's also going to happen later, which is what I just read above. I mean, he's the one that made this segue. It's like we've grown inwardly waiting to get our bodies, but we also, well, when is that? That's not yet. But we've grown now.
Yeah, and he's mostly out of it, but you know there was a five-minute period I was telling... telling you about, that it was really, it felt supernatural because he's been struggling so much.
But you still are under that authority of God. And so I think it's a beautiful picture. And from there he launches into what Ephesians does, which I think this is an unusual take, but when you stop and think about it, you realize that God, what's he doing now? Well, one thing we know he's doing, I just read it, but then he says, and we know,
which this is a much debated verse because the Greek is kind of tricky here, but it says, you know, the NIV, if I just read it, it says, and we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him. Well, what do people do? They immediately say, they read this verse when something goes bad. Yeah. This is like the go-to verse.
But after what I just read about spirit-filled people having trouble, with what to pray for, and they're groaning, and he started this whole section off that I read about us suffering. And so what I think, when you look at what the actual Greek is, and I got this from N.T. Wright, who got it from somebody else, these scholars got together.
He said, the Greek seems to say, well, let me read it like mine says, and then how they translate it. We know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. And the N.T. Wright, he prefaced his thoughts on it by saying, but he just got through saying about him working in us through his Holy Spirit, and they broke down the Greek.
You can go look this up on your own and see. But he had the Greek reading, and we know that in all things, God works with, for the good, with those who love him. It's some version of that. It's like he's working with you. And people... I think the reason they don't like that translation is because, well, who are you? You're a sinful, you know, good for nothing.
But it's in the context that he's giving you his spirit and it's interceding for you with groan that there's this, we're still human beings with our old self wanting to rear its ugly head. And that made a light bulb come on. Kind of like what Paul was praying. Here he was saying, pray for me that I'll share the gospel fearlessly. Right. As an ambassador, you know.
But he just kind of perked up there, and we had a little five-minute conversation that ended in him sneezing, which for some reason he thought was hilarious, and it became contagious because it was the first time in quite a while that I've seen him smile and laugh. So it was really nice, and you appreciate that. And we're not denying God's providence. I mean, I had preached about Abraham.
Well, you say, well, was he struggling with that? He's chained to a wall. That's right. You know what I mean? That's right. But look, was God working with him? Yes, God has a job for us today.
So think about all the passages where, like Ephesians 2, it talks about salvation by God's grace, and he's given us the gift of Jesus. And then the next thing it says is, for God's got work for you to do. Created before the creation of the world for you to be his workmanship. And so I think that's what this is talking about, because then it says, for those God foreknew, he also predestined.
For why? to be conformed to the likeness of his son. Be Jesus on the earth. You have the spirit. Sure, you're going to suffer. It's like God's plan was for him to make a bunch of mini Jesuses. And so then it makes sense of Ephesians 4.10 and all the times in John, John 14 through 16, where Jesus said, I got to leave. I got to go to the Father. I got to go. You don't understand. I have to leave.
I have to leave. And then he's like, but I'm going to give you my spirit. Well, then when you read Ephesians 4.10, it makes sense because it's like he ascended so that he might fill the universe. Because if he stayed here, he's just one guy. What's he going to do? Door knock? Every society?
But if he goes to the right hand of God and gives us this access to God, well, he then can pour out his spirit and which can go into multiple human beings and then reach the whole world. Now we're getting back to Matthew 28, where he's like going to the world and make disciples of all nations.
So then it says, for those God foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his son, that he might be the firstborn among the brothers. And those he predestined, he also called. Well, how did he call you? Through the gospel of Jesus. Exactly. Which is the people who I think are confused about this, they don't understand Romans 10. They spend a lot of time in Romans 9.
Romans 10 says, how can someone hear... Unless they've been called. Unless somebody calls... Faith comes through hearing the message, Romans 10, 17. They're starting to make sense that Jesus is the call. He called you through Jesus. So then... Those he called, he justified, just as you had never sinned. Because when you hear the story of Jesus, you're like, oh, he paid for my sins on a cross.
He came back from the dead. That's the first access point. That's it. But then there's more. Then he justified. And those he justified, he also glorified, which I think causes confusion because everybody's like, well, we're not going to be glorified until we get our new body. But he just said, I'm going to give you the new body, but you have the Spirit now. Exactly.
Sarah having a kid when they were 190. So anything God wants to do, we're ready. But, you know, you actually just live in a world where you're seeing what's happening. And it's just, he's just not doing real well. I just think he's, you know, getting ready for the journey to the other side. But we're convinced that we're all going to be, I mean, God's promise is forever.
So now you have to argue, if you don't even entertain what I'm saying, is that some glorification didn't happen to you when God entered your body via the Holy Spirit. I would call that glory. Yeah, exactly. They're like, why are you so excited? Why are you singing praises? Because I have the Spirit. I've been glorified.
It was all there. And I wasn't prepared to go through my new take on Romans 8, but since Zach left, I thought, well, wait on John. And I've been itching to do this, and I'm doing it off the top of my head. And look, go study it for yourself. But where this goes from here, it makes more sense. Because then he says in 31, look, we're back to the beginning.
God, the Father's role, it says, what then shall we say in response to this? I'm just going to stop because he's like, how do you respond to this? Of all the things that he could say, and there's so many arguments about what this means, watch what he says. You know how do you respond? If God is for us, who can be against us? Which is my whole point of saying this all started with God
God's love saying, I want a family. And here's how it's going to start. And so he sent Jesus to rescue that family. Sends his spirit. to ensure that you can live forever and have this help along the way.
Well, then he says that, because look, then in verse 32, it says, he who did not spare his own son. I mean, it's not he who didn't spare his son. He gave his son up, which is something I could not do. I just, we got to find another way. I'm not doing that. Either one of my sons. I'm like, that's not for sale.
But God who didn't spare his own son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also along with him graciously give us all things? Why does he keep saying give? Give. Because that's where the love. Giving is an act of love. Yeah. And he gave us a son. Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? And you're like, well, where's he chosen us? In the giving of his son. Yes.
It is God who justifies. Who is it that condemns? Christ Jesus who died. More than that, who was raised to life, is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. So who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? Well, I got a question. When is all that happening? That's happening now while we have the Spirit.
But God is working with us. For the good. As it is written, for your sake we face death all day long. We are considered to be sheep to be slaughtered. And then I love this verse. Knowing all things, we are more than conquerors, more than conquerors through him who loved us.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
It is. And look, and take slow, you know, take this slow. Go study it on and on. But I will guarantee you this. Once you see it, it's hard to unsee it. And look, it'll make you get up out of your chair or off your couch and run through a wall for the Almighty. You do what Paul says. You're like, I need to do some ambassador work.
I was oblivious that y'all were watching me in my vulnerable state. I was on this carpet trying to get my back to stop hurting. But there was a song in my head, which is why that I was oblivious to y'all's presence. And do you want to know what song it was? Of course. I can't drive 55. So that's my age if you don't get the connection because my back is hurting, so I got a wobbly wheel.
That was my humor part of the sermon.
And I was a young man, but I thought, Well, man, you took out the best part.
It was one of the more angrier moments of our childhood, which, and my point was, I had justified that by thinking that, Well, you didn't rip down Al's Wonder Woman poster because the bumper sticker. She would have just marked out idiots and put in something. And this happened years later. But I went back to that thinking, well, you set the precedent. I mean, is he your favorite, you know?
And she's like, of course. Because she was so angry about that, which now I understand it. And I made the point in the sermon, which is, you know, we're a family, and I'm trying to teach you how to be respectful.
To finish my thought earlier, so I was going to tell a story at the end, Al. You're a sermon prep guy. Yep. Oh, and it was very, it kind of tickled the emotional, because it's Mother's Day, and I did this whole sermon about family, so I had this as the closing story. Really? You bumped it? I bumped it because when I saw it,
I got a little – you know how you feel like – Oh, you get the little lump in there. I said, nope, I don't have time for this. You know, I just couldn't do it because I thought, I've gone 32 minutes, and not that this was – it's only a minute story, but I thought, based on everything I just said, because you know how it is. This is – I mean, I'm up there for the Lord God above.
That's who I'm representing. And I have to tell myself that because at heart, somebody sent me an interesting message on my phone because they know my background that I was shy. And this is not, it was actually Robert Ables. Yeah. And this is all of the Spirit of the Lord. So I have to tell myself constantly, but I say it in my own personal space to God.
In fact, when I walked out from the sermon, I actually said, I probably shouldn't have said this. Well, I realize how this looks. I'm talking to myself walking across the parking lot, but I was talking to the Lord God Almighty. I was like, I shouldn't have said that, Lord. I'm sorry. Because one time I said something, and I said, that might be controversial.
And I got to thinking about that when I walked out. I thought, well, why would I say that? Sometimes something, because it was biblical what I said. And when you draw attention to it.
Yeah, by saying that. And I thought, you know, I shouldn't have said that. Lord, it's your truth. And I was speaking to the Lord. What's funny is there was a guy looking at me because I had just spoken. And I know he was thinking, this guy will come out talking to himself after that. He probably said he's just like his Uncle Si. That's what he said. I was talking to the Lord, sir.
And I would say, oh, there's some story behind it. Nope. Sitting on a couch or a swing preparing for a lesson.
Anyway, the story I was going to tell about a week ago, and I think I can do it in this setting without being emotional, but I had all that Holy Spirit running through me and energy and talking about family. And I told the bad, you know, like every family has the good, bad, and the ugly.
But about a week ago, you know, I walked into where my parents are, and there's a little common area, and then they have their own little living area, and then they have their rooms, which they turn one of their rooms into a living room. I mean, look, they're doing pretty good. I mean, Kay says that. She's like, it's so awesome that they built this place for us. Yeah.
That's really good. So anyway, I walked in and she said, hurry, come with me. I got to show you something. And I was, now look, when my parents' mental condition and how old they are, When they say, come here, I want to show you something, that can be dangerous. And so I was nervous. Of course, she couldn't move. I was like, well, let me get you a wheelchair.
And so I wheeled her down and we go into their little personal living quarter. And I was nervous about it because I thought, what is she fixed to show me? And so she said, stop right here. And so she was looking out the window, and I thought, oh, she's going to show me something outside. So I'm looking. She said, now you see that little rose, these little rose bushes? She called them rose bushes.
It just looked like a bowl. Stuffed flowers, yeah. That one of her – we have a group called the Kingdom Moms, and they visit them every night. I think there's 14 women. Mm-hmm. And cook a meal, and we do a lot of our visiting with those people. And there are 14 women that my mom had tremendous influence on.
Yeah, and they're fantastic. Yeah. One of them had made this little flower arrangement that's right outside the window. My mom told me yesterday she bought it at Walmart a week ago. So she said, just wait for it. I'm not kidding. When she said, wait for it, this bird with a spider in its beak descended on the little bowl of flowers. It was like...
It got the memo that she was fixed to show me, and it was like, cue the bird. Bird comes. She said, she's feeding her babies. And so the bird went down, and we couldn't see the babies under all the brush, but it disappeared. Well, then it popped back out and then took off again. And she's like, she'll be right back. Well, the bird flew 100 yards and lit on the fence that divides the property.
And I was thinking to myself, that bird ain't coming back anytime soon. It wasn't. It kind of disappeared on the other side, like fluttered down. It wasn't 10 seconds. She's like, there he is. Or she said, there he is. But I said, there she is. She's like, well, you know what I meant. And it had a cricket in its mouth. I thought, what a hunter this thing is. I mean, it's just like, you want food?
Out of my way. And she said, so that ought to bring back some memories. But it kind of touched me in the moment because I thought... She was that mama bird that fed you. Yeah, she had this... Don't forget where your food came from, son. Yeah, she had this illustration in her mind.
She had obviously been thinking about it because as soon as I walked in, she was like, come here, I need to show you something. And then it just queued up on cue in time and... I thought, I actually think that that was a very God-led encounter that I just watched.
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Well, they also, I'll tell you another thing that happens is there's like letters. People just put out letters and half the time, I don't know what that they are. And sometimes they're not good. When you find out, you're like, Oh, I wish I didn't know that. But, yeah, now it's like this, what do you call it, shorthand, I guess, language because of texting.
I guess it makes sense, though, that every time you get a new venue to communicate, you're going to have to learn a whole new language. Is that right, Zach? I mean, is that what we're describing here?
Yeah.
No, because you're exactly right. Truth is still truth spread across whatever different way we find it communicated. And so no matter what you plug into it across time, that's the beautiful thing about the Bible. We were talking about spiritual warfare recently. Yeah. And the idea is, is that truth is going to always stand for what's right because God is always right.
I mean, the two inalienable things about God, he never lies and he always is. And so you can always depend on his faithfulness, which imagine from Jesus's perspective, Jase, that here he is talking to his people that he freed from Egypt because he's always been. And yet they have no idea what he's talking about.
Yeah, we've been in John for a while, yeah.
Yeah. How's this going to look over the long haul?
You know, Zach, what I love about Abide, what it's meant to me, we prepare for these podcasts, and I spend a lot of time in the Word of God, but usually it's what, you know, I have the stress of how are we going to share this in a way where people get it. What I love about Abide for me is I get to start the day with something that just speaks to my heart.
It's not something I'm necessarily going to share with other people. It's just a way for God's word to influence me first thing when I get the day started. It's been a great blessing.
Yeah.
And Willie and Corey met at camp, like on the Moonlight Hike.
She did when I was nine years old.
Yeah, including my four grandchildren were there and loved it, too.
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No, that's really good, Zach. And that's, you know, speaking of overviews, Zach just did the whole Bible. I've only asked you to do Ephesians. He just did the whole Bible. But, you know, it's funny, Jace, because when you laid out those three questions, immediately I was thinking about my big outline for the book of Ephesians when we were preaching through it.
And it so goes in line with those three questions you were asking of that audience. And I love the tie-in to Acts 17. And my outline was declared intentions was the first one. In other words... That whole thing you read earlier of Jesus declaring Paul making these declarations that he was who he said he was. It's the same thing we do.
And that's how we get the Holy Spirit, because we declare our intentions. We're all in on Jesus. And that's the first couple of books. I mean, a couple of chapters in Ephesians. And then you get to those middle chapters. And that's our determined integrity. That's the second role in this. And that is what we do with that. And how we live.
And so you see all these passages of Ephesians about what we how we live, how we act, how we react to other people. What does it look like in our marriage? What does it look like in our family? What does it look like in our work environment? All those are reflections, right? Because that's the integrity that comes about by having the Holy Spirit.
And then you get into the last bit of Ephesians 6, and that's the third point, which is to your question about, you know, is that where are we headed? It's displaying the image of Christ. In other words, we should look like, and that's what he says, be imitators of Christ. The more we live for him, the more we've declared that this is who we are, the more we should be image bearers of Jesus.
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Isn't that exactly what Jace was describing was happening in Acts 17 by the people that were living there in Athens? They had all these other gods and they thought that was the pathway and all their philosophies and all their wisdoms and all the things they had. When he said, right in the midst of it all, you've got the answer, the unknown God. And then he described to them who he was.
It's not you.
So we're out of time, but here's the deal, Jase. When somebody says, where were you born? You say, oh, that's not important. Let me tell you when I was born again.
I think that's so good. And next time we get back in the late part of John 7, John 8, we'll pick it up from there. So we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube
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Well, Jill, the same reason I like to have Jill on the podcast and Missy as well is because both of them are strong women, strong godly women. But they don't have any qualms in taking both of you on, which I personally love to see that twisting because we spend a lot of time together. And you guys are both self-assured in where you are.
But then when your wives come in, all of a sudden they're really putting you to the test. Yeah. Well, look, and you talk about passion. I mean, Zach, it's actually a good word because I've mentioned this before. I think it was Joe Beam talking about marriage when he had these three circles that overlap. And in one circle, you had intimacy.
which includes passion, you know, for a married couple, but it overlaps with conflict. So there's this little space where those two circles overlap. And a lot of times we go there because we don't always agree. And we are trying to, you know, do the jockeying, trying to figure out on any particular issue, you know, who's right, who's wrong, you know, and you balance those things.
But the third circle you had over here to the farther right, which also overlaps conflict, was withdrawal, right? And when a couple gets there, then they don't care anymore. And that's a terrible place to wind up because when you're in withdrawal, you sometimes will venture into a little bit of conflict, but you're more comfortable not having intimacy.
And so he always used to say, when you get in withdrawal, to get back to intimacy, you have to go through conflict. And so I think there's a lot of truth in that. But it also, I mean, we love peace. And as we do grow and mature, we get a lot of peace in our marriage because you're not worried just because you disagree with your wife. It's like you were describing with you and Jill, Zach.
You may have a disagreement about something, but you're not worried that she's going to walk out the door and leave you over some disagreement. You have a certain confidence and peace in knowing that you two are together for the long haul. There's a difference in that and then people that don't have that.
I did not. But I'm looking at you without my glasses on the screen. I can just barely make you laugh.
I remember you saying on a previous podcast you needed to cut it, but it's gotten so long you couldn't cut it yourself.
And Maddie's like in year two, like early year two, I think.
I would guess Mia. If Mia was in town, she might have cut it.
Well, you know, it's that time of year. And I tell you what really impressed me about our sponsor, Fast Growing Trees, is that when we received this package, because I get a lot of packages, when I opened this up, my plants, my trees were alive and they looked like they were ready to thrive. they're doing.
It's what it's called. It's like Maddie telling Alex to tell me I look great, but tell me respectfully. It's basically saying you look great now, but we didn't want to tell you not so much earlier.
Well, that means it was a joke. She was a joke.
Yeah, that's what she meant.
Yeah, she's laughing about it.
But no, here's the thing. There's truth in it, though, Jay. There's just happened last night. So Beth has been trying to get me to go on the duck call room. And but I just been busy and had a lot going on. And so she sends me a note and says, hey, are you in town to go on the duck all room? And I said, no, I'm in Gulf Shores.
And she said, and then she sent me one back and said, well, I don't want to be a pest, LOL. And then I sent her a picture back of a ear with a mosquito right next to the ear. And then I sent her an emoji of with me winking like it's a joke. But it's sort of like there's some honesty because you are being a pass, but it's OK. I mean, I understand that's what you do. You have to get gas.
So that's that's what Missy did as well. It's she's she's telling you she's kidding because she loves you. But, you know, anything is better than what you have.
See?
That is interesting, James. You brought up an interesting point. I never thought about the emojis now. And people at Maddie's age understand them immediately. It takes me a little while to figure them out. But it has become its own language.
I am unashamed. What about you?
It was crazy, because yesterday I was supposed to film for the new Duck Dynasty show.
Well, the fact that he was fine was the most important part. That was the lead.
I'm like, no, right now we're establishing a relationship here because they came to me a month ago. I did one scene with them, so I'm on there somewhere, which I'm not sure that's going to be a good thing or a bad thing. We'll see when it comes out. But so, you know, I'm a busy guy. They're busy. So we carve out two days in a week, which was a Tuesday and a Thursday.
Well, it was crazy that you're like, we got to figure out if it's totaled. Just send me a picture and I'll tell you whether it's totaled or not.
That's a yuppie approach to this argument. You send me a picture and I'll tell you. I've... This is like the wreck car capital of the world. You cannot drive 100 yards.
See, you've got to remember, look, I found something fascinating this morning now that we've just gone completely off the rails. I went to a bathroom here in Duck Commander where I've been – For how long have we had this place? Many, many years. I'd say at least 20. Up to 20 years. Someone hung a sign inside the bathroom. Never been there before.
So two days ago, I was here, went to the same bathroom. That sign was not there. This is new. New sign. And I looked at it. I was like, huh, well, let me read this. So they had a picture of a leaf. On one side of the sign and a roll of toilet paper on the other side. Yeah. And under the leaf, it says what a redneck sees. No, it says, what you see was under the leaf.
And then it says, what a redneck sees, and it was under the toilet paper. I got you. Well, it actually took me about 20 seconds to process what their joke was. But I knew it because Phil invented that thing in our world.
Al, there's a thin line between compound and dog pound.
We weren't. I mean, people ask us all the time. They hear you have a podcast, and they're like, oh, I'll listen to one. Which one do you recommend? I'm like, it's like saying, which one are my kids?
Yesterday was Tuesday, to film. You know, I can't give away the details. But so, all right, so we put that on the calendar. And the night before, Monday night, about 10.30 at night? Yeah. I get a message from my assistant, which is Mrs. Ann, saying they have postponed that filming for you tomorrow. I'm like, what? They said they'll try to figure something out next week. I'm like...
But I'm saying that kind of applies to this because it's like Zach's like, well, I've got to get somebody to tell me if it's totaled. I've literally driven around total vehicles.
Well, here's the funny part. He sends me a picture of about, I'd say, 15% of the vehicle. So based on the 15% I'm looking at, I'd say, nope, not totaled.
Look at this, Al. I'm seeing a door and, you know, half the hood.
No, it's not total. So they might say it is because of the frame. Yeah. But I'm saying. Look at him. I mean, this guy is good. I was expecting. Yeah, bad. Next time you come here, we're going on a tour of totaled vehicles.
Oh, it's not total.
It's not a total. Yeah, I could get $12,000 for that vehicle in its current condition by dark.
That's a 2023. That's worth about $12,000 after that. Then it's totaled. Then it's totaled.
He's a slick one. No, it's not total, but they may deem it. That's what I'm saying. They play the game. It's a game.
Oh, I do know. I've given you the truth. The vehicle is nowhere near totaled. It's not even close.
They might total it because they'll find some loophole. But, you know.
He's right either way. Oh, he's right either way.
My first three vehicles that I drove for years were all totaled. Not formally totaled. Was deemed totaled.
That's what I'm saying. It's not total. I'm giving you your answer. You just don't like it. I'm like, that is not a total vehicle.
Well, you shall know the truth and it'll set you free. That's all I'm saying.
No, we are, but I think it's the same principle because all of these people are looking at Jesus saying, nope, he doesn't have the total package. You know what I mean? That's right. I mean, it's a similar view. What is your view? Yeah. And you showed it. Because one of our next questions is fixed to come up. Have you noticed it? I have not.
Now my memory is not what it once was.
Yeah, stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment. Look, I've had to say that sentence in my life. You know, when I had a similar situation that Phil had, when I was at an event and they're trying to figure out where the nearest homeless shelter is. Yeah. Stop judging by mirror appearances. I'm like, you know, don't judge a book by its cover.
Yeah.
So you remember in John 5 where he healed a guy on the Sabbath at the pool. Yeah.
Yeah, because he asked him, you know, and then he had another encounter with him. He's like, and that was one of our questions, do you want to get well? Yeah. What he asked him. And I think that was a profound question because, you know, he had basically gotten comfortable Just in his misery. Yeah. And, you know, thinking there's some kind of angelic powers, you know.
No, wait a minute. Next week's tied up. I mean, it really is. I'm like, these people think I can just, you know, I'm sitting here on the edge of my seat ready to go do this. So then, you know, I wake up the next morning. I literally am off. I mean, Miss and I were making jokes about it. I was like, what are you going to do today, you know? So we're having kind of fun with it.
Well, he said there's nobody to help me, and now he's thinking there's just some kind of magic trick of celestial beings that are going to heal him. And, of course, Jesus says, get up, pick up your mat, and walk. The whole problem happened that it was on the Sabbath. So when he said, pick up your mat... Well, that was not allowed on the Sabbath.
Of course, here's the man who invented the Sabbath because he's the son of God saying, you've missed the point of that. And then he uses another illustration in the middle of that. And do you want to talk about that one? Where he says, well, first in verse 20, I mean, in verse 19 is my next question. Yeah. When he says, has not Moses given you the law?
That was the first question that leads into the second question, which I think the second one was the point. Yeah. Which he says, yet not one of you keeps the law. And so then he asks a double question, but this second one is a doozy. Why are you trying to kill me? Yeah. And I just think when you take these questions even out of their context, it's like, why would you want to kill Jesus?
It's a very profound question.
Todd's getting a little R&R. Well, about noon, I get a text from the guy I used to play in golf tournaments with. I mean, I've played, what, three times this year? And that was after about a seven-month layoff. He's like, hey, we're playing at 1250. But I'm looking like, well, it's noon now. I'm still in my jammies.
I knew we were going there, but where I went was, you know what would have been a good question for Eve to ask? That's why I'm really excited about analyzing these questions. When, based on what she had heard from God, remember when he said, don't eat. of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because if you do, remember what he said? You'll surely die. You'll surely die.
So when the evil one came up there and started asking his questions and making his statements, a good question for Eve, if she would have known this story, She should have asked the evil one. Why are you trying to kill me? Why are you trying to kill me?
Because that's exactly what he was trying to do. It's a great point. So to me, that was the smoking gun of, I think, that question and what it means. Because when you look at all the other verses, which one I've read so many times on this podcast, but I will refer to it again, just to go with the narrative I brought up from the garden, is when Jesus...
is declared by the Hebrew writer in Hebrews 2.14, which that Hebrews 2 section is all about Jesus becoming a human. And he says, since the children, humans, have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity, so that by his death, he might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil, which he's going to say in the next chapter of John 8,
about the evil one and them serving him without knowing it, he said he was a murderer from the beginning. Now, we usually go to Cain and Abel, but I just brought up this fact that it actually brought death into the world because then they were separated from the tree of life. They sinned. They didn't do what God said. And so then the presence of God in humans together was broken in that moment.
And what was the result? More sin and I'll die.
Not really, but I mean, so I scramble because, I mean, it takes 20 minutes to get there. So I was like, I'm in. I mean, maybe this is why they canceled. I was supposed to play golf today. I was kind of, you know, joking around with Missy. And she's like, go have fun.
Look, I went down a rabbit hole on this, and I'm not an expert in Leviticus by any means, but I listened to some of the scholars that I listened to, and what I found perplexing is this idea of what you brought up about. You brought up immediately sacrifice and atonement, and so I started looking in Leviticus and like for the purposes of sacrifices?
Because when I went down this rabbit hole with the question about what Eve should have asked the evil one, why are you trying to kill me? And then when Cain killed Abel, you remember that part of that story that never gets any airtime is remember God said his blood is crying out to me from the ground.
Well, I was reading in Leviticus about all the sacrifices and the purposes, and what I really concluded is I think in most churches we kind of have this narrative wrong because a lot of these sacrifices were actually given to purify the place where God would meet humans. Think the tabernacle, the altar, the temple. And that's what stood out.
And I noticed, I forgot who said it, but there was a verse in Leviticus. Can I ask you a question before you say that?
That when he said, why are you trying to kill me? And I was thinking about the sacrifice, him becoming a sacrifice. Because he linked it to law. Yeah, to law and Moses. He keeps bringing up that picture. And I just went down the rabbit hole, and I got into the Levitical priesthood and the sacrifices.
Well, the more I was listening and reading, I was like, this seems way more about the sacrifices being given to make the place holy for God's presence, that God's presence is what kept coming up. Now, it would say for the sins of people, there was an element to that, but they were only doing it once a year. They were calling it the Day of Atonement.
This one passage was like a smoking gun to me, and it's Leviticus 17, 11. And man, it just took me, it just flipped my narrative here a little bit. If I can find Leviticus 17, 11. Leviticus numbers. Leviticus 17, 11. And you're going to know why this had such an appeal to me. Yeah. Because there's one little word that really stood out. Because here was my narrative before I read it.
Well, and he was telling me he's fixing to retire, which shows you how much older everyone is now. Then I'm like, but what will we call you now? That's right. What will we call you, Mickey Farmer Fan? The nickname's getting too weird here. So I go up there, you know, hit a few balls before rush out there. Get on the first tee. It's a par five. hit the ball out right down the middle.
I thought, and I was taught, Okay, they were doing these sacrifices because, you know, Leviticus is not a place you hang out, you know, because there's animals being killed. Now, we were hunters. We were raised where we're living off the land, so it wasn't as shocking to us. I mean, it kind of became part of... This is God's gift to us based on Genesis 9, and we're living off the land.
Yeah, watch this sentence. For the life... Well, I'll just read 10 here. Or let me back up and read a little bit so we get the feel for it. So verse 8 says, And there's somewhere it says about bringing it into the holy place. But maybe that's coming up. to sacrifice it to the Lord, that man must be cut off from his people.
Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people. Remember when we brought that up, when Jesus said that, you got to drink my blood, it's like, well, it's in the Old Testament, you're not supposed to do that. Because he says that blood is the life force
It's a reflection of the life that's in a living being, which is there's something in the blood.
That's right. So then verse 11, here was the one that really... Watch how he... he words the exact opposite of what kind of I was taught when I heard this. For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar. It is the blood that makes atonement for one's life. Well, it's like, We're not giving it to him.
He gave it to you as a sacrifice. Well, it totally flipped the narrative. You know, kind of looking at it, it's God's grace to you because you're such a, you know, you keep missing the mark, sin, which then it made me kind of rethink that, which is not rethinking I knew this, but it, I guess, put it together. Because you think, well, what is sin? Well, you missed the mark.
Well, think about what the purpose was on why God made us. We are created in the image. We're supposed to reflect God. Well, when you miss that mark, there you have sin. And it's tied in with idolatry because whatever you're worshiping, that's contrary to the living God. contributes to you missing the mark, which is sinful. And so what does God do? Well, it's totally a different narrative.
Like you'd never live. About 300. Like you'd never live. I mean, just a bomb. In fact, it was like, whoa, you've been practicing? I was like, yep, I just got through about five minutes of just donking the ball around the range, you know, hoping I didn't hit someone to my right or left. But so you say, oh, perfect drive. You're going to go for the green.
It's not like an angry God saying, oh, you better go kill something so I can settle down a bit, you know?
Well, how many times in John 6 did he say, this is a gift, I give, this is a gift, I give? So when you think about God's sacrifice, one, in purifying this sacred place, this holy place, well, that's when I got into thinking of all the passages in Hebrews. Well, then it makes perfect sense.
You know, at the end of chapter 6 in Hebrew, I'd like to read it because Jesus fulfilled that because he is the gift. And think about how many times when you talk about salvation or atonement that that gift is there. Think Ephesians 2 when he says, this is not on your own. What? It's a gift from God. That's what Jesus is. He is a gift.
Just like he provided the animals to be slaughtered as a gift from him. Right. So because that lifeblood would provide atonement. But it's also allowing that space to be filled where God and humans could be reconciled. So I'll just give you three instances in Hebrews where it basically says Jesus does that for us, which is the point. He came to fulfill this.
If you had a thousand kids.
So the first one's at the end of Hebrews 6 where it says God did... Two unchangeable things in which it's impossible for God to lie, who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us that we may be greatly encouraged. Now watch verse 19, 619. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.
This hope enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, which is what all of these sacrifices have in the book of Leviticus. You see this kind of language. And here's how Jesus fulfills it. Where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever. Well, we're talking about him entering heaven. So then look at Hebrews 7, 26. I'll start in 25.
Therefore, Jesus is able to save completely. those who come to God through him because he always lives to intercede for them. Such a high priest meets our need. Now watch this. Who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, and exalted to the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day for his own sins.
And then for the sins of the people, he sacrificed for their sins once for all. And then the last one I want to read is in Hebrews 9, which this is kind of the kicker. Verse 24. For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one. He entered heaven itself. Now to appear for us, well, here's this phrase again, in God's presence. But he's there for us.
Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again the way the high priest enters the most holy place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times. since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Just as man is destined to die once and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and he will appear a second time not to bear sin, but to bring salvation. And so I brought all that up just to say, now they weren't going to come up with it, but when he said, why are you trying to kill me?
A good answer was because you're the gift of God so that we can be in the presence of God. And we hate that you have to die for that to happen. Right. But that would have been the correct answer, to reconcile humanity, and it is the gift of God. Right.
Well, I got up there and I had a little downhill lie. I say, I'm being coy. It was severe. But I was only like 210 yards to the hole. So I'm like, well, I'm going for it. But my game is not in a place where you're trying to take a five wood off a downhill line. You should have been working on just working in this. So a few strokes later, I made a big snowman, which is an eight on a par five.
Exactly.
Yeah. Well, that's what, you know what I immediately thought for the first time in my life? I thought, well, no wonder. he could then pour out the Spirit on people because he had made the place holy. What is the place? The human holy, so now the Holy Spirit could dwell, which we're going back to.
Even in the argument that he brought up about circumcision, which I know we're fixing to run out of time, it's the same principle when you read Abraham and the promise that he made that this would be a sign, which there's some shedding of the blood here. This is a sign of the promise. And then I think Genesis 17, where he says, so that I could live with you. You be my people and I be your God.
We have this relationship. And so it made me think that's how all this works. He's in heaven as this atoning sacrifice for human beings. you know, making them right, just simply.
The reason I think that we don't, We don't see that as easily as I think. No, I just gave a thumbnail. Look, you have to go do your own study. But it's because people say, well, we still sin, which is true. But that's why Jesus is at the right hand of God. The sacrifice is still at the right hand of God.
Exactly. Exactly.
Triple bogey. That's how my round started. After a 300-yard drive. You know, I'm going to the number two tee, and I thought, why did I do this? I don't play enough golf to come out here in a short moment's notice. Now I'm just like, you know how you're psychologically – I just went and took the tee box because I'm like, let's just get this over with. Forget about who shot better than you.
And I didn't. So I had to spend five hours trying to study why he would ask such a question. Which I think that. Is along the right track of what he was trying to get at? On which side of this? Are you a killer? Or do you want to come to me because I gave my life up for you so you could live? It comes back to that life and death. It does.
Put the tee in the ground. I'm like, what's the yards? 159 is a par three, 159 yards. Well, it was formerly number seven.
Yeah. So I had a seven iron, and I thought, you know, the wind's kind of with us, but the pin was in the front. I was like, I'm going to try to hit a little knockdown. So here I go again, you know, trying to create a shot that I haven't practiced in a year. Hit a little knockdown in front of the green, you know, maybe because it was hard to get close to the pin because it was in the front.
I hit this shot. Well, it's, you know, I look up, and I'm like, thing's going right toward the hole. And I just kind of posed there. I thought, enjoy this because that's probably as good a ball as I'm going to hit today. The thing hit, bounced up. Well, it was on the green, and it was like going toward the hole. And one of my playing partners said, go in the hole.
As soon as he said that, boop, disappeared. And I was like, yeah. I turned around. It was Bedlam. They were high-fiving, falling down. And then I realized, I just made a hole in one. I mean, that was only my third in my life.
Yeah. So, yeah, that happened. So what was funny about it, of course, we didn't film it because why would you have – I just made an eight.
And I had talked to my buddy Barrett from Kansas on the way to the golf course. He's like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm going to play golf. He's like, what are you doing that for? I was like, well, that's a long story. And so I took a picture of my scorecard. I had an eight and a one, and I sent it to him. And then I was like, well, I need to send that to my son. Yeah.
And it just kind of went on from there. And so then the text that you got from all my buddies, what was funny is Jep immediately, he's like, well, there's no video. Well, there was a video they filmed me. Walking up to the house. Yeah, I didn't even realize they filmed that. That's how much a cloud nine I was on hitting a hole in one. And I'll walk up there, the ball's in the hole.
So I have that video.
But Jep had an interesting response right off the top of his head. He gets the text, and he's like, well, since there's no evidence— That was after. There's no evidence of you actually hitting it. He said, I don't believe it. Yeah, anybody could do what you did. Skeptic.
So Al saw what happened. That triggered, because we're in John 6 and 7. Mm-hmm. I said, well, let me give you some Bible, and I put Bible in all caps. I said, they relied on the testimony of at least two witnesses. And I said, I had more than two that saw it. And, of course, then Jep, thinking I was serious, I realized he was joking.
I was joking, but yet we had people who, in that text, that I thought maybe they need to hear how the Bible operates. Yeah. And so then Jep felt bad and he's like, no, you're an honorable, you're one of the most honorable people I know. And I forgot what he said. I was only kidding. Of course, I didn't say I was only kidding because I was not kidding.
Because it made me think of what we've been studying. It's like... They didn't believe Jesus. I wanted to say they didn't believe Jesus either. Then I thought that may be too far.
Those are not bad odds. I thought it would have been more than that. I mean, I've only hit three, and one of them was when I was – like 20. I mean, it was, I guess an average golfer.
Well, you could say each one is born in the image of God, like humans.
They're like, what'd you hit?
There was a little farmhouse, uh, goat wrench, which I wonder if that golf course is still there.
And they only had, uh, nine holes. And we were in a tournament. And my buddy was a really good golfer. And, uh, My only contribution of the day. But the wind was in our face and it was like 239 yards. And it was, I hit driver. Back then I had a big old slice. It was the ugliest shot. Little low slice that just was over the woods at one point. Come back, bounced about 14 times.
Obviously had to roll a long way. Rolled up the green. In the hole. It's in the hole. It's in the hole. And then I remember old Grover was in our group. We actually beat them, which my buddy did. That was my only contribution. But we won by one. Because they bogeyed the hole, and we made a one.
It's hard to choose a favorite. You heard a little bit of what happened to me. I had a viral sensation in the real world. When I say, because I don't do social media like most humans in the realm, but we had a real life experience. Viral sensation.
I hit a hole in one yesterday there, dude.
You know what's crazy, just to now give you some humility? Then I birdied the next hole. Yeah, you said you had three birdies. I was back to even after a triple bogey.
I made two other birdies, which one of them was the last hole. And you're like, so everybody says, what did you shoot? What did you shoot? And I said, I play by the hole. I had a hole in one and three birdies, but they couldn't stand it. They were like, yeah, but what did you shoot? I was like, I play by the hole. I said, there were four really good holes. I shot an 82.
So the rest of the holes I went, so I'm from five under in four holes. In 14 holes, I was, do the math. Well, plus 10 plus the five, so plus 15. I was 15 over on the other 14 holes. That sounds like adult territory. It was an angry, volatile round filled with love and grace. That's fun.
I know how this game works. You got Jace on the case right here. Call me later. If you don't want to do it in public, I mean... Call me later. Just tell me the story, but now you got to be ready to cut the baby in half or do what's right. That's a Solomon reference there.
I am unashamed.
She's like, we have a lot of crawfish left over. I was like, grab me a 10-pound. It's been a while since I've eaten 10 pounds of crawfish.
In the rough.
Oh, yeah, by the time you peel them.
You might.
Look that up. How many in the rough?
You're saying what? Let's all guess. I say 10 pounds. The listeners know this, the people. I should know that. At one time, I knew that. We were in the crawfish business. But I can't remember. I would say for 10 pounds, that's going to be... I'm going to go five to one. I think that's two pounds of meat. Yeah, it's not that much. You don't think it is? No, it's one. It's a pound.
That's interesting how he defined it. All right. Let's hear it. Okay. Well, if you look up morbidly in a morbid or diseased manner. Ooh. So we just put diseased in there. Okay. I'm not sure I agree with that. You might should have picked a different word. No. That's the word they told me, Jase. So morbid is disease sickly, not sound and healthful. I think that's what it was. Oh, here's you.
And I think you may be closer. I'm making an adjustment. Because Phil's like... A human can eat a pound of catfish. Right. He had that down. He's like, if you eat a pound, if you start getting over a pound.
We're trying to help you prepare a meal here. What is it?
Whoa. There it is. A little more than I thought. I mean, if we don't go by the price, all right. Hey. What is that? Price is right. The price is right. You can't go over. I said two. Then I went to one, and it was one and a half. One and a half.
I've consumed, I had just consumed a pound and a half of crawfish.
You already said that. Two years ago, you couldn't even fit yourself in the camera frame. When you're having to go wide angle to take a selfie, there might be a problem.
But so anyway, so here I am. I was like, well, what do you need? And she said, there's three girls that want to be baptized. And I was like, you serious? And I was like, in the pool? In the pond? Or are we going up through a church building? She's like, let's go with the pool. So here I am, just oblivious of what. I did walk by because I was taking all the crawfish remains. Yep.
And it was such a cool setting. They were all sitting with their feet in the water, like around the pool. Yep. Because our pool is kind of a circular pool. And Missy was just sitting there. They were all like. you know, Native American style. Yeah. And I thought, what a cool.
Yeah. Well, that was where they kind of did their, that devotional. Okay. And, uh, so anyway, I'm like oblivious to this. I'm like, well, let's go down. Water was quite cool actually because it had rained. I was doing the little woof. And so, uh, I've been, I told you, I said this before on the podcast, uh,
I gave maybe a three-minute speech, mainly about it doesn't matter who baptized you, it's between you and God. Because I didn't want them to be distracted, you know. So I asked them, you know, what their confession is.
And I was just like, however you want to say, based on what you've heard the last two days, and through the little speech here about Jesus, God, you know, sending Jesus, and your response to him on who you think Jesus is. So the first one said, Jesus is king, something to that effect. I want him king of my life.
So I baptized her, and the second one came down, and she basically said the same thing but a little different. I want Jesus as my Lord. Well, the third one, it was just so raw and real. I forget. It was like two sentences, two or three sentences. But she started off with just saying, she said, I'm done. And she said it passionately, you know.
And there was a Jesus taking the wheel on my life in there, and it was just a short, fearful moment. And I'm going to tell you, it just got all over me. I became emotional in the moment. I could not speak. I didn't even know her. I just met her. But I don't know. Maybe it was the three and the look of the pool. And I thought, man, it was a very powerful moment. I've never had that happen before.
I've met a lot of people. Yeah. Because I just said, this ain't about me. And I'm like now become a distraction because I literally could not speak. It was like very few times in your life do you just see somebody's soul. Just what is way down deep. I can't even remember exactly what she said. But just...
Due to a characteristic of disease or a morbid anatomy.
almost it was like uh you know through her face and her in her body language i mean it was just an unleash but what it was was just surrender that's what it was yeah yeah
I will forgive you because I was in the yard yesterday with a chainsaw. Clearing the way for some trees. To make the great fast-growing trees grow faster, you can eliminate the dead and unproductive trees. That's what I did. That's pretty good.
It's not your armor.
Well, I think that's what they had talked about. Yeah. And, boy, I'm telling you, it got all over me. But I thought, boy, this is – Because we're in this section of John where he's going to give some more clues about what's fixing to be revealed via the Holy Spirit. And it's like there's some mystery about the Holy Spirit.
It's hard to talk about the Holy Spirit because the first time we got into it, you remember when Nicodemus, and here comes Nicodemus again resurfacing after this conversation, and he's talking about this. It's like the wind. You hear it sound. So he's already introduced that, but I literally –
you know, believe I saw this wind and fire of the Holy spirit in just a, just a little young woman who might've been 25 years old. You know, it just seems so authentic and they all did, but I don't know. That moment was just, it was like, there's a reason I guess she decided to go last. It was one of the more powerful. That's a good thing. She didn't go first.
Of, uh, yeah, yeah, exactly. But I just thought, man, what a, What an opportunity and privilege to be a part of the kingdom.
That's a commercial. I just think that's how when people say, how are you doing? You say, well, I have a morbid anatomy, as you can tell.
I think that's why it's so clever and so powerful. is because if you're in a war, which there's so much in the Bible about spiritual warfare, and you were right there in the middle of it, Ephesians 6, because it's not only our sin, but it's these dark powers who are against it, they're always lurking. Always. And it kind of goes into this idea, you know, what came first, the idolatry or the sin?
Because they work hand in hand. Exactly. And the gods, you know, little g's of our earth. And I think human beings were made to worship. Yeah. We're all worshiping.
Something.
Well, exactly. We're the prime candidate for that. And the Bible's filled with that. Do you think, oh, I'm in a war? Well, the last thing you think, if you were in a fight, is that actually the way to victory is to surrender and die. But that's literally what Jesus did to defeat the powers. I think that Colossians 2, by his death, He disarmed the powers and the rulers and the dark forces of evil.
And so I think we get to do the same thing. And when you see it happen, just from such an authentic person in the moment, boy, it is powerful.
52?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that was pretty good. That's pretty good.
Which these feasts keep coming up. You had made the point that... We've already addressed the Passover feast was in one of the other stories, which will come up again when Jesus dies. Pentecost. Pentecost, which is, that's the one where they're celebrating.
I think it's like 50 days after the law was given, like the 10 commandments were given, which I think the reason we're bringing this up and this one was like, uh, This was in the fall time.
Well, it was kind of shocking when you read the Bible. You realize how real this was to them, knowing that they had seen the power of the resurrection of Jesus and that they weren't going to let threats stop them.
Well, they wouldn't bet with it. They wouldn't double down. They took my $20 and they said – You lost. And I was like, I tried to double down. No double down. They were smart. Because I think they thought, well, this guy is probably going to lose the weight eventually or he's just going to die. So they just –
You're thinking about, I think the reason I'm saying, you know, making a big deal of this is because you got to look at that was kind of the context by which Jesus is speaking. Right. And they're putting their faith in all these events that happened. I'm not sure how long before. How long before did all that happen that they're still doing the feast over than now?
But I think that's why when you get to the verse that says, I mean, we can figure it out how long ago it was.
I mean, that's what the brothers... Well, my point is, but the point I was trying to make was at the... at the heart of these festivals were that God was going to send... Yes, he liberated them from Egypt. He was with them in the wilderness. The Passover lamb saved them from death. Saved them from death, the Passover lamb.
So all these things in their history, they're celebrating that God was faithful, which he was. Yeah. But underlying was that he was going to send a Messiah. Right. Yeah. That's the whole point. Yes, exactly.
You need to market yourself. Well, and the reason I'm bringing this up is God also chastised them and judged them because they weren't faithful. Correct. They're really not having a festival for that. Right. Right. Who's going to have a party saying how bad we are? However, that's what happened. They should have had a festival of repentance.
Well, let me not. It's taking me five minutes to look up this word.
Well, and the reason I think this is important, because if you're not looking at what he's saying through that perspective, that focus, we tend to just jump off the rails and start making arbitrary doctrines about some of the statements he's making. And I think it misses the overall point, which that's why we did that. You don't want to miss him again, is the point. Well, right.
The Messiah that is the bedrock of all these festivals. They miss that.
Well, exactly. That's what I was trying to get to my practical point of all that was that I had the same problem today trying to get people to unite in Jesus because I'm like, we don't want to miss the point here because we have our little groups like they had their little groups. And then here is the Messiah for their nation. Yeah.
All the festivals were leading you to this conversation with the Messiah. And they're like, no, you're not.
Yeah, I guess so.
Oh, exactly.
Yeah, he does. And what I'm trying to say is, all right, so think about big picture, though, back then. Why did God choose Israel in the first place? You know, we read that in Deuteronomy 7. Yep. And it's like the elect language that's all filled in the Bible. Well, it says he elected Israel. And you're like, whoa. What happened?
Well, they didn't realize what the purpose was, which he chose Israel to show the other nations about this awesome God that they have a marriage to. Right. That's it.
Well, that's where I was headed all along, but I'm going to mark my place, and then you tell me your view. I think we're going in the same direction.
You're only 50 pounds. That's...
We've said this before. Yeah, a bag of corn is really the bag of corn. You put a bag of corn on.
Well, let me jump in there because I was going to read Romans 10 because right after that, he says, after Romans 9, where all these arguments are formed, He just says in verse 1, Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. Well, you just have to stop right there and think, well, weren't they chosen from the beginning?
He's talking about them being saved. People of God. And I think that's why they're doing the festivals, that, yeah, we were chosen by God, but they are not recognizing that. Who's doing the saving? You know, through whom this is going to happen, which is Jesus. Because then he goes on to say, for I can testify about them that they are zealous for God. But their zeal is not based on knowledge.
Well, they know the scriptures like the back of their hand.
They know the festivals. They're doing all this. And so then he explains it. It's like, since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, well, who is the righteousness that comes from God? Jesus. Well, he's going to answer that dilemma.
I was just hanging up on you. But it led you to discover a new cell phone provider.
And then it says, verse 4, Christ, this 10-4, is the end of the law. so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. So look, now I fast-forwarded. Jesus has died, has been buried, has been raised, goes to the right hand of God. This Spirit that's going to flow out from you, it's going to be in you but flow out from you that we're fixed to read in John 7.
I think the plates that go on a set of plates.
This is way after that, and they're still struggling to get it after all this. And then the rest of that chapter starts talking about how good are the feet that bring good news, and faith comes to hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. What is that, Romans 10, 17?
And so you're like, we're back to letting the nations know and go back and think when Jesus said, all authority on heaven and earth has been given to me, therefore go make disciples, what? Of all nations. Well, now this is post-death bound resurrection. Well, that was the Israelites' job. They didn't do it. Wasn't God's fault. It was their fault.
They weren't upholding their purpose that God had for them. So then God, through Jesus, said, pulls it off, and now we all have the same mission. And I think unless you look at it through that vein, there's another example of that, Romans 10. I wanted to read it too because when you read it, it doesn't make sense if you're not looking at it from Israel being God's chosen nation with a purpose.
And I'm going to read this other part. I came across this last night and I was like, well, that doesn't make sense. And then I realized I was doing the same thing that I'm telling you today not to do. Because when we hear that word election, we tend to think, well, you know, who's saved and who's not?
Yeah, that's a good, Al, that's good advice. Well, I want to read to you what he first says to Timothy in 2 Timothy 1. And it says, verse 8, Don't be ashamed to testify about our Lord. or ashamed of me as his prisoner. Why are we testifying about the Lord? Because I'm going back to that Romans 10. Faith comes through hearing the message. The message is heard through the word of Christ.
God has a job and a purpose for human beings. It is to reflect. that we are made in the image of God and then remade as new creations, and then we have the Holy Spirit, which is going to enable us to do this. So watch what he says, though, how he packs this up.
But join with me in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, who has saved us and called us to a holy life, not because of anything we have done, same as Romans 10. but because of his own purpose, his purpose. That's why I keep going back to that. And his grace. So there's two things functioning.
So, yeah. Moving on. Moving on. Yeah. I was trying to find a segue in there. I guess, Al, it was your marketing. Because we're kind of in that John 7. Mm-hmm. The 60 and 60 is what.
Yes, this grace was given to us before the beginning of the world to be in Christ, cleaned up, made ready for the presence of God. But he also had a purpose, and it was to reach the nations. So watch this. Then it says, this grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time. So it's like this phrase, in Christ Jesus, this was the plan all along.
But it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light in the gospel. And my whole point for reading all this is they're standing there looking at him, and they're not acknowledging the vehicle by which this, by God's plan, grace, and purpose, is happening. Yeah. And you're like, well, why?
Because they had an agenda that they thought, this is it. And that's why he's going to make that phrase. He's like, Jesus said, my time hadn't come yet. Because in the moment, he hadn't died. But he makes this little phrase. He said, but for you, any time will work. Because this is never going to change.
You're celebrating something that happened hundreds of years ago, and you haven't figured out there was a greater purpose. Exactly. And I'm the purpose. Exactly. So any time will work for you because you're just passing this down from generation to generation and you're missing it. And to prove my point, I want to read this verse. So when he gets to 2 Timothy 2, look at this odd verse.
You're talking about an odd verse. 2 Corinthians 2, verse 10, listen to what it says. Therefore, I endure everything, Paul's saying, for the sake of the elect. You're like, what? That they may obtain salvation that is in Christ Jesus. And my point of reading that is every time you see elect, you think, oh, they were elected to be saved from the beginning.
But here you have a verse based on the context. He's saying, I'm enduring everything for the sake of the elect so that they may be saved. He's like, I'm trying to save these people in Jesus. But they think, oh, we were elected God's holy nation, and we didn't fulfill our purpose, so we had to have another plan. And they're still missing it, is the point.
I don't know how you could interpret that any other way.
You should have seen him.
Through crafty marketing. It was. But at the end of the day. You got to do more than market. The horse was not ready to run the race.
Which gets into the purpose. Why are we sharing Jesus with people? Why would you do it? Why would you need it? Because God, from all along, this is the fulfillment of the purpose for a human. Exactly. To reflect their creator. And now you have the greatest vehicle in the world, which is Jesus. And then he gives you the Holy Spirit, which gives you the power to do it.
Which I thought that about a month into it, I thought. I don't like where this is headed. I was just visually looking. Where was it going? It wasn't going. It wasn't going. I thought maybe because you've done it many times in your past.
Yeah. Well, we're going to get to that as this goes along. But you're seeing all these groups of people, and I don't know if you want to read it.
1952.
Oh, good. Tell me I don't have a good memory. Well, this is when it was published, but oh, Webster. It has a picture of him here, Al. Yeah. You see this? Yeah, I can see it. Oh, this is a... He's 1758 to 1843. Oh, yeah. He's old school. He's kind of got that swept back hair. Best line he ever had is, education is useless without the Bible. I mean, this is where we get our dictionary.
It just shows you our culture now. Dude's vacuuming. This vacuum was like three foot high, and he's vacuuming a coffee maker.
Al, this vacuum was this high. It looked like you were doing some kind of... You know, removing a body out of something. What is wrong with America? It was like a CSI site.
It's what's wrong with America. I mean, how much coffee do you need? She called it a coffee maker. I thought it was a grill. I thought, boy, that's a pretty good size grill there. You could put a whole ribeye on that coffee maker. Oh, is that the name?
Vacuum cleaners. Vacuum cleaners. It's what's taking us to... I think we should just make this a part of the episode. We had to take a time out because we're at that commander because I thought... It felt like a bomb was fixed to go off. Or something going at so high rate of speed that it was fixed to crash. When we stopped, we started going room to room at Duck Commander.
And there's a pretty big fella with, like, contraption on his ears. There's this huge, I thought it was a grill, like the world's largest grill. An indoor grill. It was a coffee maker. And he had a vacuum cleaner. the size of, I would say,
The small car? The biggest, yeah, small car. I think that's a bit much. It could be a smart car. Yeah, I mean, for like, you know.
Yeah, and he's vacuuming a coffee maker. I was thinking, how much coffee do you need?
Yeah, but it was just the sound that was coming. You're like, I just couldn't believe it.
It is. We're off the tracks. But look, I've been doing embarrassing things all weekend. Oh, my gosh. With a hint of kingdom stuff. My lovely wife, she's been doing this, I don't know, a couple times a year. She invites this group of women just from... Just like on our little social media post. And it's, it's like a little mentoring thing.
Yeah. I like the sound. I don't know. It was 13, 14, 15, 16 women. Yeah. Well, it's like a lottery, you know, it's boom. Cause they're there. Yeah. They stay out at our, our old place, uh, the long town state. And they just have a weekend. She gives lessons. So then she cooked for them at our house. What was that, Saturday night, I guess?
And you know what she did? Crawfish and crawfish pie. Yeah. So it's like a taste of Louisiana. Yeah. So I got in on the crawfish. But, you know, I was watching the LSU baseball game, and then she'd come in there, and she's like, we need you. And I was like, babe, look, you're all women. There's nothing that you're going to say.
You got to remember, I had just consumed a 10-pound bag of crawfish. Because she ordered too many crawfish. These girls, you know. They get tired of. Well, they had never eaten crawfish either. And it's like they eat seven.
And I was like, I mean, drum roll, because I thought, what does this have to do with anything? I said, what is your last name? Guess what his last name was?
bible i said your last name is bible for real he said yes sir i said well let me tell you this i feel way better about this country that we got a guy who loves jesus whose last name is bible who's protecting our coast i said america he's like america Was his first name Reed? He never told me his first name, but you know what?
I got to thinking about that because Missy asked me the same question, and I told her what I'm going to tell you. I said, if your last name is Bible and you love Jesus, your first name is irrelevant. What would my dad call him for the rest of his days? Old Bible. Old Bible man. Come in here and give us some words of wisdom. Old Bible man. Have you ever heard of a person named Bible? I have not.
We're formulating a top 10 names that Jace has met. So now we have two. One, remember one, W-O-N, and now we have Bible, which Bible's going to be hard to top. Yeah, we'll have to keep playing. I was like, we'll have to keep playing.
Yeah, we need to look it up, Al.
Hey, look, and don't you feel safer?
We got a Bible man on the coast for protection. I love it. And he's from where, Texas? He's from Texas, but he's stationed in Virginia. I thought that was just fascinating. That didn't seem to get as fired up as me. That's a good name. That's a good, strong name. Can you imagine a person being named Bible who is not a believer? That's what I thought.
It looks like a gimmick. I mean, it's one of them things you see late at night when you should be sleeping. But you're just like. Like an infomercial. Well, they only run those commercials late at night for a reason. Because you're not in your right frame of mind. Not in your right frame of mind.
This is a big moment for Unashamed today. We're actually moving on to John chapter 7.
I think this is the only gospel that brings up his brothers. Well, right.
I mean, it wasn't a good... Well, it is if you look at it from a transformational viewpoint. Because, I mean, this has nothing to do with the text, but I have used this argument before. When you fast forward to Acts 1, which I think this is a good time to do this. That's an excellent time.
Yeah, Acts 1, which is really depressing because it says all the believers were gathered together among the believers in those days. This is Acts 1, 15. In those days, now we're post-Jesus' death, burial, resurrection, and Jesus' speech. And ascension. And it says, in those days, Peter stood up among the believers. I have a little letter by believers. What is the other?
Brothers, Greek for brothers. Brothers, which is really, they probably put believers because he lists a bunch of women in there too. Right. Maybe that's why they made that. We would call it, we would call it in our vernacular, the brethren. Yeah. Kind of everybody. And it says a group numbering about, 120. Oh, so, but the verse I wanted is before that, uh, in 14.
Cause it says all of them were together and it starts, uh, those were present. This is 13, Acts 1, 13 B. It says all were present. Uh, Peter, John, James, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, James, uh, and Simon, the zealot, uh, and a different Judas, uh, They all joined together constantly in prayer along with the women. and Mary, the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
No, you don't lay on it. You just put your legs over the top of it and you push a button. So your calves are on it. And it goes for 12 minutes. And you feel nothing. It feels like this is doing nothing. I mean, this was $49.99 that we should have just set on fire.
So you say, why is that significant? Because John 7, 5, before you read the whole text, Al, says, for even his own brothers did not believe in him. So you have to pause and say, what happened in between John 7, 5 and Acts 1, 13? What happened to change them?
So what happened was the death, burial, and resurrection of the king of kings and his ascension to the right hand of God. Exactly.
Well, and I think we've said this hundreds of times, but I feel like we need to say it again. Part of what Jesus is doing, and God through Jesus, God the Father through Jesus, is he's going to disarm all these evil powers, these fallen celestial beings, prime candidate, the evil one, which he's going to continue to bring up through the course of John.
And so, is it 1 Corinthians 2.7 or 2 Corinthians 2.7 that says none of the rulers of this age, you know, the powers in the realms knew that what was going to happen? Because if they did, they would not have crucified the Lord Jesus. Is it 1 Corinthians 2.7? Yeah.
Maybe it's like the shrinking powder.
Yeah, because if they had, I mean, look, think of the evil one. He thought that was his victory. Yeah, this is it. Anybody who's a threat to us reigning our terror of death, I mean, that's why the evil one is depicted as the ruler of the realm of the dead. I mean, he's going to say in this chapter, he was a murderer from the beginning. And so we remember when was the first murder.
Is that what you're describing? No, wrong. The calves are the point of contact on this apparatus, and it does a roll thing, and it slightly pulls your legs forward. And it says it's stretching your back. Well, when I got on my hands and knees after that, after 12 minutes, I stood up, which was still painful. But then I took a step and I thought, yep, yep, yep, okay, I'm back going again.
It wasn't long after Adam and Eve. Very next chapter. Yeah, Cain and Abel, which is how that escalated. Your death has now been introduced, which is why Jesus... I mean, which is why God said, you eat of that tree, you'll surely die. Right. Which people read it and like, well, they didn't die. Well, just wait for it. It's coming.
Why were they so afraid? So I'm just saying that's why this is kind of cloaked and where Jesus is like, don't tell anybody. Yeah. I mean, that's what I think. I don't know what y'all think, but.
How can there be an empty tomb if he didn't raise?
But that's in the Bible. They said they're going to steal the bodies. So the Romans said, well, let's make sure they can't do that. Go find the biggest rock.
So the...
Well, like his brothers as an evidence.
He actually did say that when we were kids, but... He just didn't use the word Messiah, but it was something to the equivalent of it. And you didn't believe him, did you?
Yeah. You know, I think though, Al, it's all a, it's all a mask of,
it's like the people missy and i was having a conversation you know when you drive back from nashville it's eight hours we were talking about this woman who we all love and y'all know but uh who just fell away from the lord you know and it's like she knows everything i mean every possible she'd been to every bible study would walk with for years you know and uh
And Missy had recently talked to one of their mutual friends. You know, it's like, well, what do we, you know, because they had seen her somewhere. And Missy's like, the problem is not knowledge or experience. The problem is the lack of of wanting to surrender. And I think that everybody reaches that point. You'll look at the Bible skeptically when you don't want to surrender and give your life.
The back stretch, I mean, Mitzi swears by this thing. And the one time I did injure my back, That did more than every doctor visit, x-ray, you know, inflammation. But I was doing it like five times a day. A couple days later, got up, no problem. Of course, the last words the back doctor said, because I canceled my visit, I said, I got on this little stretcher and I'm good.
There's cost involved when you want to do what you want to do. And I really think that's the answer to like 90% of these issues. When you say, I just can't reach this guy or like you're trying to find clever ways. We've all had those Bible studies and then it kind of dawns on you. You know what? They just don't want to give their life up to the Lord. Yeah. And there's nothing you can say.
That really is the problem.
It leads to a person. You keep saying this. It reminds me. When we were up there in the weekend, Missy made crawfish pies for a lot of Reed and Brighton's friends and all. We had a gathering there. Well, Reed took a ribeye, the whole ribeye, and was going to smoke it. And he took a nap because they had gotten up early or whatever.
Well, when he went out to get it or check on it, the smoker had for some reason gone off. And he was like, oh, no. And so, look, I was stunned at what happened. Because, you know, when you're hosting and you have all these people come over, I mean, it became a crisis.
I'm sure I have.
What I was disappointed in is, because I didn't know what Jet, whatever you said, Jet, Jet, Chat, GPT or whatever, that that came up. And I thought, what? They were talking about, look, and somebody said, call Siri. You know, it was this kind of stuff. They were looking this up. And I thought... What are you talking about?
Yeah, trying to find a solution to the smoker going off because now it's just unknown. And I said... Well, we have a member of our family who is AI. He is Siri and chat GPT. He embodies it when it comes to smoking. Al, he's your son-in-law. Exactly. Look, when Reed, I said, call him. So Reed looked at me like, that's a great idea. He called him. He had him on speakerphone.
It was like when Reed, he laid out the, all right, I'll put it on. Here's what happened. And Jay was like, just immediately, it was like somebody touched a button. And he said, do you have one of those, whatever he called it, the thermometer that you put it in and it comes out on your phone, you know. And I actually got one for Christmas. Used it once. It was fascinating.
He's like, well, you'll see me again. But I took that to mean he was just missing out. He kind of had me in the way. Old Jays found $49.95, stretching that bag out. But here's what I think. I thought it was from jumping out of the back of the truck, but I just went to Nashville, spent time with my grandkids. Look, they're three and a half, two and a half, and one.
And so Jay reads it like, yep. He's like, okay, take the temperature. Now, put it, don't panic. And he was even calming him down, which AI is not going to do for you. He said, it will be okay.
He's talking him down. The whole crowd is dead silent listening to these words of wisdom. And look, he was like, put it in the oven. You start off at 300. Once you get the temperature, they have the temperature. But Reed kept looking at that estimated time, and he's like, they're going to be here in an hour, and this is three hours and 20 minutes. He's like, don't pay any attention to that.
It's wrong. It doesn't realize what's fixing to happen. It'll catch up. And so they kept panicking because that time wouldn't move. They put it in the oven. He said, well, you can save it in the oven. This is your salvation. And they had it on 300, and he's like, kick it up to 350, but you can never go over 350.
But about 10 minutes before they arrived, one of Reed's buddies said, I think we ought to go to 500. And he said, he said, don't go over 350. Don't do it. And you know what was amazing? is about 15 minutes after everybody arrived, the crawfish pot. So we had to wait about 15 minutes. It reached the magic temperature of 130 inside. The time caught up. It was absolutely fantastic.
I mean, just melt in your mouth. And I said, see, this is what happens when you put all your faith and trust in something that's not even real. You know what I mean? I was like, you got a dude who was born to image the creator of the universe when it comes to smoking meat. Because that dude... No matter what happens, he's like, everyone remain calm.
Yeah, he was perfect.
That's what just infuriates me about the cell phone. I mean, look, today me driving here, I blew my horn, I would say four times. And each time it was a person on their cell phone. I said, what are you looking for? Looking up how to smoke meat. It made me think. I wonder, has anybody done the stats?
Because now I guarantee you something revolving around a cell phone is probably in the top 10 of the leading causes of death. It has to be. It's like that should be a category. I didn't look it up because that would be against what I'm proposing here. But I'm just saying that it is an epidemic.
And I'm like, you know, we're making jokes about a guy named Bible, but I'm saying this Bible is revealing a person that is literally giving you everything you need.
Look, what is the number one? Now, Maddie has just owned the case. Oh, yeah. Now, she's probably getting this from artificial intelligence. What is the number one leading cause of vehicle accidents in the U.S.? Cell phones. Distracted driving. Yes. So there you go. There you go. Yeah, that's a stat from an injury.
So I've already made my jokes about be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth. But that's what my kids are doing. And so I think what happened was because Reed, my son, bought them a little tee with a ball for the 3 1⁄2 and the 2 1⁄2, and he's like teaching them how to hit.
Cha-ching. You know what I noticed, too, coming back from Nashville, that everywhere that we encountered wrecks, which was multiple times, way more than usual, you know what I just happened to notice? There was a billboard of saying, had a car wreck. Some guy, you know, he smiled.
There's no difference in this and my analogy with cell phones because now everybody has gone public via the cell phone. That's why they can't even drive down the road because this is their public persona, whatever image they have. And that's what I'm saying. Here you have another group of people, which is this group never gets any time in our speeches, but not unlike the Jewish people
people that he had just offended by his take on, you know, I'm the one Moses was writing about. I am the manna. Well, now his own brothers are giving Jesus, the Son of God, advice on how to do that, how to navigate the world.
Of course, I didn't say because as a grandparent, which is the greatest family dynamic there is because you just show up, do what you want to do, And then you don't have to worry about the repercussions. You're out of there. That's right. So it's awesome. But I wanted to say you don't start them off at that age on a tee.
Yeah. I'm glad you brought that verse up, that John 7, 7, when it says, the world cannot hate you, but it hates me. Because now everybody wants to kill him. Also, that's coming up a lot, and I think that's what he means by it hates him. They're trying to kill the man, and he's never done anything wrong. Right. And I think it comes with this, what he's doing in secret.
You know, if you're coaching a little league, baseball, you teach the mechanics of the swing. You know, they already had that. But then you go to the tee to refine it. But if you have no swing, I think the tee is a bad place to start. And here's my point. Because... I went out there and said, hey, we're, they're like, oh, play baseball, baseball, baseball, you know.
is giving him the ability on how he should be in public. But you just think about how that applies to your life. What you do in secret, and I'm meaning this reference to the Holy Spirit. I mean, Jesus had the Holy Spirit. And what is he doing in secret? He's constantly going off and praying to God. He has a relationship with the Father. That's what he's trying to do is represent the Father.
He said it over and over and over and over. It made me think of Sermon on the Mount. Also, when he gets into this, what you do in secret, he's like, these religious leaders, they go out and pray for everybody to see. But he's like, when you pray... you know, go in your room, shut the door, because your father who sees what is done in secret.
And then he uses the same analogy about giving and fasting, you know, and then he'll say the same thing, the father who sees what is done in secret. So I think that's really important.
Well, right. I think he's leading up to that John 8 where he specifically said, I mean, after he says this, what I'm going to read, then he goes on this language about your children of the devil. But he says in 21 of John 8, he said, "'Once more, Jesus said, "'I am going away and you look for me "'and you will die in your sin.'" Where I go, you cannot come.
And this made the Jews ask, will he kill himself? Is that why he says, where I go, you cannot come? But he continued, you are from below. I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be. You will indeed die in your sins. I mean, that's pretty bold.
I mean, he's exposing... It goes back to that John 3. He's exposing what happens in the darkness, which is a lot of sin... And cover up.
And I was like, I threw that tee over to the side. And I was like, no, we're going to do this the real way. And so I grabbed my son by the hips and I was like going back and forth. I said, the key to the swing is right here, the hips, the hips, the hips. So, because I saw Reed was, he spent five minutes just getting them lined up on the tee. It's all a waste of time.
Well, we didn't talk about what this feast was that started the whole thing.
Booths.
And they built these little shacks, but they stayed there. It was like a camp out for eight days.
So that's what it was honoring. It was honoring the idea. Why are they doing it eight days if they said do it seven? Get back to me on that. Do you know the answer to it?
Yeah. Well, I didn't know. I mean, Zach read it. I mean, everything I read, it said it lasted for eight days. Right.
Yeah, you just quit reading. Yeah, I just quit reading. We should have called Mr. Bible from the Coast Guard and said, keep reading.
No, I agree. And that's what the way you should read it. Yes, we were going to eventually be saved, but But he chose the nation of Israel. He shadowed it with all this hope, using people, you know, raising them up. And then Jesus fulfilled it all by giving us a new creation, a new exodus.
I was like, it's all about the hips. Of course, Maris, my little granddaughter, who's three and a half, she's watching this. Because then it's fun. We all did the hip thing. Oh, it's like doing the twist. Everything's fun here.
Well, then I put the bat in his hands, in David's hands, and I got him lined up there, and I said, put the bat on your shoulder because he's not wanting to hope, but he can rest there. And then I'm backing off five foot away, and I was like, swing. I'm telling him to swing. Well, he immediately thought hips. Well, it's amazing. When you turn your hips, the bat follows, just like the golf swing.
So he started swinging before I'd even thrown, which is perfect because to hit a ball that's coming towards you at that age, they have a depth perception problem. The first ball I threw, now I'm going to be honest, I basically threw the pitch where the bat was coming through the zone. Bam, he hits it. The crowd explodes. Everyone's like, it's a miracle. This kid was born to play baseball.
I was thinking, no. They already got him in the bigs. They got him in the big leagues, Jase. But then I got Maris up there, and he only hit two out of 20. But look, he hit the first one, and he hit another one. It was so exciting. But Maris was too far on the tee thing. She tried to, I did the same thing, but when the ball was there, well, that's when she was wanting to swing.
And she was wanting to hit it like off the tee. Well, the ball's already past you. But since David didn't have as much tee time, he got, so I told Reed that, he was like, I got to admit, that was pretty genius. Because he was so excited that he hit a ball that I threw to him. He's two years old. I thought that was pretty impressive. But the secret is he didn't hit a ball.
You hit a bat is what you're saying. Pretty much, but his swing was perfect. So that's what I'm saying.
He kept his bat in the zone for an extreme amount of time. I mean, I really think he has potential. But I left out the part where I hurt my back, which was, first you have to excite them. So before I did the lesson, I picked a ball up, and it's soft, but it's the size of a baseball, but it's soft. And I said, watch this. And I threw that ball up.
Low T. I don't even know what that means. I don't want to know for holy reasons. But I got to watch where your brain goes. But Al, you already knew the answer to that. I did. I sent the team into trauma and nervousness because when I walked out the door, I thought it was a safe spot. So I stretched. But it hurt so bad that I just cried out to the Lord because there was nobody else there.
I said, have you ever seen somebody hit it over your house? Because we were in the backyard. I hit that ball, and it almost went over their house and bounced down the roof, you know. I mean, I hit it probably 80 yards, and it bounced back, you know, and they were like, oh, my. I was like, that's the potential of fun that you can have. So you know what they said? They said, do it again.
So I did it again. Well, about the third time I did it, and Missy's like, what are you doing? Because I was hitting it toward them. They don't realize it was a softball. So every time I hit it, Missy and Brighton just went down like it was going to hurt. The thing is literally all just styrofoam. It's not going to hurt them. And the third time I did it, the ball was coming down the house.
They're hollering and cheering, and it gets stuck in the gutter. And their house is very tall. So I looked at Brighton, and their faces fell. And I was like, Brighton, do you have a ladder? And I think that's where I hurt my back because then I had to put up a ladder. And so I crawled up to the top, but I still could barely reach. And so I was getting – it was actually probably pretty dangerous.
I shouldn't have been doing it. And I had to get a golf club because I couldn't see in the gutter because the ladder wasn't high enough. So I would just guess where the ball was because if I got on top of the ladder, I could see it. But then I was vulnerable because it's probably, I mean, this was a tall ladder. And so I finally got it.
But without those kids knowing that I had gotten the ball because I was so high, I eased the ball. I did a little trickeration. I hid the ball. Then I got down. They were sad. I was like, well, maybe we should just pray about it. I was like, I'm just kidding. I was like, maybe we'll find it. I had it, and I maneuvered it around. Then I was like, all right, close your eyes.
When I count to three, I was like, maybe it'll just appear. So one, two, three, boom, here's the ball. They jumped up and down, you know, and my little three and a half said, the Lord does answers prayer. See, see right here. I didn't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing.
It just shows you that marketing can only take you so far, Al. Sometimes you need professional help.
And so then I was like, y'all want to hit it. So see, then they were excited. So we did that. But I want to say this. I want to brag on my daughter-in-law for a second. Because the plan was they said, why don't we, we're going to go to the movies tonight and take the kids. It's their first movie. And I was like, I was thinking three, two, and one. Go see in a movie. That will never work.
But they said, well, it's this new cartoon movie, The King of Kings. Yeah, I've heard about it. How was it? I thought it was pretty good. And, you know, it's a cartoon. But it was, I mean, they basically just kind of went down the line of the Bible. It's kind of told in a framework of, a dad telling his son about the story of Jesus, you know, I mean, that's an angels studio movie.
Come on, Jesus. I walked in, and they were like, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I was doing some stretching. But I thought it was because I jumped. We call that podcast stretching.
I think, yeah, I don't, I didn't know who I didn't, I didn't even notice, but, uh, but we went to one of these movies, you know, where they, we don't have one here, but you can like put your feet out and they have people come in, you know, for a nominal fee, uh, Would you like something to eat while you're here? It was pretty much chicken tenders and whatever, which I think helped their behavior.
But I was shocked. Those three kids sat there and watched that movie. I was stunned. I mean, somebody has been providing some structure there. And I was singling out my daughter-in-law because she spends the most time with them. But, I mean, to give Reed and Brighton credit, if you would have told me, because I remember when we were kids, that would not have been possible.
911 would have been called. I mean, they did. The only thing I found fascinating is the three-and-a-half-year-old, when they got to the Jesus on the Cross thing, She had trouble watching that because, you know, I mean, that's not really, it's pretty rough to watch, even in a cartoon format. And she was like, I need to go potty. And Missy's like, I think she's just uncomfortable.
I think she was because Missy, I think they took her to go potty and she didn't really have to, but she was just like, this is heavy. Yeah. But I thought, you know what, if you were going to take your kids to the movies and they were able to sit there and watch, I mean, I thought it was a pretty positive thing. Yeah, I would have never thought that was possible. And you're right, kudos.
Kudos to your kids. No, it was awesome. So that was fun. So to reveal on the way back from Nashville, I was in some convenience store or whatever, and – Forgot exactly. I went to the bathroom, and I was looking for a few snacks, you know, because the trips are all about the snacks. Oh, yeah. Just like airplanes. And I heard this guy say, Jace? And so I looked up. He's like, is that really you?
It's hard work. I jumped out of the truck yesterday, out of the back of the truck. But Jay's truck's pretty high. And you know how you feel kind of that slight twinge? Like when I landed, I stuck the landing, but there was a slight twinge. Well, that turned into me this morning when I crawled out of bed and I'm in crawled. And I went, Missy has this little back stretcher thing.
And I was kind of looking behind me, you know, playing along. I was like, yep, what's left of him? He said, I've been following you. since I was a kid, of course he looked like a kid, you know, but I mean, he was in his twenties, but when, as my age, you know, people in their twenties look like just children. Exactly. And he was like, I mean, my hands are kind of shaking here.
I mean, I've watched every video, you know, and all this stuff. I was like, well, I might share Jesus with this guy because, you know, this is a little kind of like when we had the country music guy. It's like when people are like kind of awkwardly giving you praise, it's like what they don't realize is you're drawn to the spirit of the Lord here.
So I was trying to craft my sermon on how I was going to do this. And so I was like, what do you do? And he's like, well, I work for the Coast Guard. He's like, I was like, I think we were in Mississippi. And I was like, well, how long you been in Mississippi? He's like, no, I'm from Texas. I'm driving to Virginia, you know. So as we're walking outside, we took a little picture, you know.
And I said, well, because he had mentioned everything we do except this podcast. So I thought, well, have you ever heard of our podcast? And he's like, I've listened to every episode. I was like, oh. I was like, well, I was trying to figure out a clever way to share Jesus with you. And he said, well, I've been following you since I've been born. And he said, you know what my last name is?
I am unashamed. What about you?
I'm glad you're carrying it on. Yeah, we're high-fiving. I mean, it's like I think we would have had twice as good of a duck season if we'd have had these two blinds in their current locations. I mean, it's a no-brainer. So we got it done.
Oh, yeah, we did good. I mean, we had a wonderful time.
You know what's crazy is, and then two days later, my dad has his birthday. And just to prove, I mean, look, overall, I think we're doing as good as we can do. And they're actually doing a lot better since they're together. But, and my mom's problems are more physical and my dad's are more mental. But, yeah. But I would say he's doing a little better than he was for a few months.
But to show you that he's definitely mentally not all there, and you have to laugh at this just to keep from crying from the overall situation. But I was telling him, I was like, your birthday's coming up. And he was like, really? And I was like, well, you want me to get you for your birthday? Okay.
And his response, one, proved that he's not all there mentally, and two, was the most shocking thing that I've ever thought I would hear that came out of my dad's mouth. Have I told you this, Al? No. He said, what I want is, you heard of this company called Nike? I said, yep, but I didn't think you had Nike. Because nothing in your life has anything to do with you. You can't make this up.
And I was like, yep. And I actually thought he was going to say something about the stock market or something, you know. He said, I think I want some of those Air Jordan things.
penny shoes hot tops oh my goodness i busted out laughing and i looked at mom and she looked at me and kind of made her eyes big and i was like well what's your thinking on that he said i just really think if i had a pair of those i'd be all right You never know what's going on in the mind there, dude. I will go get you a pair of Air Jordans. I said, is there a color preference?
That's a nice way to say when she ran up on us on this podcast, she said, I'm not alone. Yeah. No, I misquoted that script, this 2 Corinthians 1.
And he said, I think I want to go orange and white. I said, okay, Phil. So anyway, there's that.
No, I think this is legit. Ten minutes later, he's like, you going to get me them shoes? Yep. So then, you know, we leave. I go to Nashville, but we came back and stopped in, you know, and visited him. He said, where's my shoes? So he hadn't forgot. No, I said, Phil, it's not your birthday yet. He's like, I know, I know.
I was thinking he don't know that, but he was like, he wants them high-top shoes.
I think, you know, I really don't know. I don't even want to speculate because it's just crazy. But, you know, he's always had those knobs on his feet. Yeah. You know, I don't know. He never did it in his life. I've never seen him wear a pair of tennis shoes in my life. Never.
You know, sometimes the bucket list, you just start – digging around in there and you come out with a pair of high top air jordans so yeah there's that all right uh before we start out for well i'll tell you what i'll save that for the next podcast but i have a i'll give you a cliffhanger for the next podcast remember when i had met the uh
The wonderful young woman who had a name I'd never heard, and it was one, W-O-N. Oh, yeah. I recently met another person. who had a name I had never heard, but I'll leave that as a cliffhanger.
Well, but it says for no, no, this is 2 Corinthians 1.20. Let's just start right here. For no matter how many promises God has made, they are yes in Christ. That's the only person you just need to say yes to. Yes. Yes. But as humans who have flaws, you need people in your life that say no. So it causes conflict.
Yeah, and doctrines, I think, that may be looking too much at a modern... view of like, what does this mean to me? Oh, you know how people just pick verses out, and they're like, what does this mean to you? I think that's one of the worst questions ever. I agree. I hate that. I mean, God wrote this, and there was a purpose. It is a story.
But you need to especially research the history of the story that God is fulfilling in Jesus, which is what we tried to do with Deuteronomy. doing an overview of it. I know it's complex. It's hard to read. There's a reason that can be difficult to digest. But I think it does kind of connect the dots to the conversation Jesus was having here.
I do. Missy actually bought us a pair of Cozy Earth, every member of my family, for Christmas.
You want me to tell you a secret? Yeah. I actually wear the top just in public. And no one realizes that I'm wearing pajamas.
Yeah.
If you're going to be on the earth, why not be cozy? We're going to get into John 7, and you see that people are not believing, even his own brothers. Right. And so I thought about that. You know, when you think about trying to break down kind of the group, you know, your worldview, right?
And that's why I wanted just to kind of look at the overview of what we've been reading in John 6 and what we'll read in John 7. You know, they had a worldview that Jesus was challenging. And then they had a group of people with them who shared same said worldview, which didn't include God becoming a man. Yeah. But, you know, I think if you want to apply that to today, we have that same problem.
Yeah. You know, it's like you read something. It's kind of our question here in John 6 that Jesus said. He's like, you know, do my words offend you? If you're having a hard time wrapping your head around it, instead of being open-minded about it or doing the research or, you know, we tend to just have our groups of people that kind of make us feel better. about what we believe.
And I think they were having a hard time because I think at the end of the day, what Jesus was presenting here was very costly to their little groups and their day-to-day life. And they just weren't willing to give it up. I don't know what y'all think about that.
Yeah, I mean, you know, he told them in 43 of 6, you know, stop grumbling among yourselves. And then they were arguing. I forget where that verse was where it says an argument broke out. They were arguing. And, oh, 52. That was in verse 52. Yeah, and then the Jews began to argue sharply among. He's challenging their worldview. But then, you know, when you get to the disciples, right?
Well, 61, it says, well, aware that his disciples were grumbling about this. And then it says from that time in 66, many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. And the only thing I want to mention before we move to seven, besides bringing that up, because I do think everybody listening to this You need to realize that following Jesus is challenging.
Nobody's got time for that. Nobody's got time to make you feel better about whatever you're wrong about. So I ran around in the woods yesterday in the water with the man that epitomizes the word no. Al, your son-in-law, Jay Stone.
I mean, you get inside not only your mind and your heart about how you make decisions and what you're doing, but it's also who you're running with and what you're doing. You need to make sure that you're not literally arguing or grumbling against the Lord Jesus and what he wants for your life. I mean, he's in charge of it.
So I wanted to bring up where he said, I know we talked about it a little bit, but when he said, does this offend you in 61? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before? And then he starts talking about the Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing. We hit on it a little bit, but I think it's interesting that he keeps bringing up that he's going to ascend to
to the right hand of God, like as a preview. And, of course, you're going to see that more as the book develops, but then he starts talking about the Spirit in that context.
And the reason I'm bringing this up is I think one of the things they were having a hard time wrapping their head around, which I think the same thing is true today, is that Jesus basically was representing dual citizenship here. He's like... I'm a citizen of heaven, and I am a citizen of earth because the Word became flesh, verse 14, and here I am talking to you.
And I think that's a key thing to lock into because eventually when he does ascend and he does pour out the Spirit, that then becomes available for all of humanity. To represent heaven and earth as a surrendered disciple of Jesus and a carrier of the Holy Spirit.
And having Jesus connected to you at the right hand of God, like is this sacrifice for humanity, making the presence of God in the heavenly realms actually... doable for other humans.
I noticed that. He wanted me to be the motor man. It's very difficult to move large structures on the water that we call duck blinds. So most people when a flood happens, you know, you run away to high ground. But we are the people who start rubbing our hands together. And we run toward the tragic, dangerous, unpredictable floodwaters. Because for years we've hunted in two spots.
I didn't realize that I got both of you in one shot.
I brought this up because I think Jesus, the reason he gets so much pushback, one of the reasons, is this whole idea about him becoming flesh. And I think when people read this verse where it says, "'The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing.'" I think they miss if they go to take that to the extreme. Well, then it's like nothing physical matters.
But you got to remember, Jesus became a human. And he receives the Holy Spirit. He does this physical act where he's baptized. and receives God's Spirit. And the reason I think this is important is because we all believe, I think, in all the people that Jesus is talking to here, even his Jewish opposition, believe that God is omnipresent.
that were 75 to 100 yards away from the X, the perfect spot. Do you realize how frustrating that is, year in and year out? You're like, if we just... Because you don't own the X. Is that somebody else's property? Oh, no, we own the X, but the blind is not floating. The water's not high enough to move it. So we're sitting here waiting on a flood.
And you got to remember the whole Old Testament narrative is, yeah, God's everywhere. He's omnipresent. I mean, there's a whole list of things that you can write on what that means. But now, in Jesus, this is like God coming in person.
I couldn't really think of a better phrase for that, but it's like... And just an illustration, I kind of looked this up on the internet just to see what people would say about it, and it was interesting what artificial intelligence said. But because it was like... And artificial intelligence used a metaphor or an illustration that I thought was interesting.
It's like what the transition, which I don't know where artificial intelligence actually gets everything, but this was a good illustration. It's like they described the omnipresence like if you walk into a room and you smell coffee, it's like the smell is all around you. But there's a big difference in having that experience or that kind of theological experience
awareness that, okay, there's coffee around because you smell it. But you couldn't really, I mean, you might could find it if you started looking, but trying to capture that smell is difficult. Well, there's a big difference in that and drinking a cup of coffee. And I think that's all of a sudden this becomes personal awareness
When you realize, okay, he becomes a man, and then even though he dies, when he's resurrected, he really made a point to say, look at my hands and my feet. And so I'm saying all that just to say as we launch into John 7, because he's really going to get into what this means about the Spirit coming in a different way. Because it's like, well, what do you mean the Spirit had not yet been given?
That's what John 7 that we're going to read. And I think this is a good place to launch from because it's coming in a different way. And you can call it in person or, and actually you can see it. Just think of the fruit of the Spirit. And I don't know the right word to use, manifestation. I looked that up. There's two verses that says that, and we can look at them when we get to John 7.
And there's one that says, remember when Paul said, we didn't come to you with talk, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power? So it's like, there's kind of three categories to this, the presence of God. You have His omnipresence. Then you have it. in person, and then you kind of have the manifestation of having that in your person, you know, having the Holy Spirit.
So I simply am bringing this up to say the flesh counts for nothing without the Spirit. But it's like Paul would say in Romans, he's like, if you have the Spirit of God, your body's dead, you know, flesh, whether it's actually dead or going, it's going to die.
But then he follows that up saying if the spirit of Christ, this Romans 8, 11, is living in you, then he who raised Jesus from the dead, well, what was raised from the dead? His body.
It will also give life to your mortal body. So I know that's a little deep, but I'm saying I think they were having trouble with like, what are you talking about? I mean, God is everywhere. And he's like, yeah, but he's right here. That's why he keeps saying, I came from the Father. And I think they were having a hard time wrapping their head around that.
Well, once he became flesh. It's kind of the whole point, right? I'm like, well, that's a lot of people who have, you know, they'll read stuff like this and say, you know, being a human is terrible. Yeah, I mean, that's basically their conclusion. I'm like, but God became a human?
And they had dropped the river down to a lower pool stage because they're working on the locks in our area. And so we realized that it's probably going to be another three years before we could even move it. So every time we go duck hunting in these two spots, people constantly say, well, if we were just over there. Well, there's nothing I can do about it.
Well, look, it's like, I mean, that's what I was attempting to do. It'd be like if you had a multimillionaire that was like supporting your church or your cause or whatever, but you had never met him, but you were appreciating him. Because you were a member of whatever group that he's supporting, you know? Yeah.
Well, you would feel a little different if he was in the room, you know, if he showed up. Then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, you know, thank you. You're doing all this. Well, then if he sent you a text... You're like, oh, man. I mean, you're starting to feel better about this thing. Well, then you see where I'm going with this.
Well, then if he was inside your mind, like helping you with the decision-making process, because you're thinking, man, I got access to all these benefits here. Well, I think that's what Jesus is trying to introduce, which is why I just kind of wanted to take a time out and say it is hard to wrap your head around
We can go walk over there, but then they'll see us. We've tried to make blinds. We actually hunted the spots with temporary blinds, but it's just not a good hunt to be sitting there.
And I think that's why these people were leaving, because this was getting way too personal. But that's actually a positive thing.
Well, just imagine all these illustrations we're saying, and the guy comes in your building that's supporting everything, and then a group of people rises up and says, no, you're not allowed to do that. You can only give from afar because we have our little system here. And then let's just say the sponsor said, okay, forget this building where you're all meeting.
I want y'all to be my building and just y'all move and represent all this stuff I'm going to lay before you, all these resources. I just want you to move throughout the world and let's do the work with what I'm giving you.
in water trying to hide it just doesn't work for large groups of people so but anyway the flood contrary to the predictions there was a huge rain evidently it didn't i mean it rains here in louisiana all the time but it was not enough to move the water but the headwaters which we're going to be talking about this when we get to John 7, in Arkansas that feeds us, they got torrential rains.
Well, I think that's why he told the woman at the well when he was talking about worship. And he was like, it's not a place. Because what happened was, look, the God, speaking about his omnipresence, what Jesus was introducing is he went from over there. So just think temple, tabernacle. He went from over there to in here.
And I mean, that is the profound thing about him introducing the Holy Spirit. And so what did we do? You know, in our modern religion, we want to put him over there. We go to the building, we check in, and then, you know, we go out and live our lives. But that doesn't work if he's in here. He's in here when you went over there and then when you went over here and now you're going here.
So, I mean, think homes, workplace, friends, hanging out, walking down the street. and when you're meeting with other people. I mean, it's all together. It became personal.
And so that's what makes this so dangerous because nobody realizes. I'll tell you how dangerous it was. This is only the second time in my life we were going to put the boat in to go move the blinds. And you know where we put the boat in now? It's at our main gate. You know the main gate to the property? That's where we launched the boat. Where we usually, it's like a one-mile ride.
Oh, no, it's all water. So for only the second time in my life, I said, hang on before you put this boat in. So, of course, we're in the truck. We're in Jay's truck. And so I get out of the truck and get my life jacket that I brought and put it on and got back in the truck. He said, what are you doing? I said, I'm putting my life jacket on before you try to launch this boat.
That our lovely producer, young Matty, was asking if he had any alternative hats. I defended you, Zach. I said no.
And he couldn't figure out. I said, when the water is this high and this volatile and you don't really know, we're just backing it down off a hill here. I was like, I think it's just too embarrassing for me to be buried in my own creek in your truck, dead. Because people pull off. I've seen it at least in my life half a dozen times.
Somebody go to put their boat in, and the whole truck is baptized. It happens. Yeah, and it's usually about a three-day burial before the wrecker can get the truck out. How many times have we seen it? It's been many times. It's very dangerous. So I rolled down the window.
Buried at sea, baptized by floodwaters. So we survived, you know, and we got the blinds moved. One of them was a 10 out of 10, like if you were, because I'd love if there was a competition. You don't realize how hard it is to move a blind that weighs about, you know, two tons when the current, there's current even in the backwater, and the wind was blowing. It's just with a motor.
You're moving this thing. You just tie a chain up to it? I don't know. Usually we tie ropes, but I tried freestyle yesterday because there was so many. I mean, and it's just the hardest manner of doing it. So basically, I'm just circling the blind, getting my boat wedged. by two-by-fours or logs, and then I'd move it, and then it'd spin around me. Jay was like, what are you doing?
I was like, it was kind of a hold my unsweet tea and watch this. And the first one, I looked like master class, you know. It was just perfect. The second one, we had some problems.
Because once you get past your destination, it's over. There's no coming back. There's no coming back. I was trying to tell them that they were filming all this for Duck Commander. I was wondering if it was being filmed because that's how viral videos are made. They didn't know what they were doing. the filmers, because they were in the boat with us.
I did. I said, deer season is coming up in four or five months.
I was like, you only appreciate this if you're away from us. You've got to be in another boat. The blind is too big. But they didn't want to be in another boat because they were all scared to die. So they kind of weren't like you. They just didn't have the orange hats on. But they wanted to be with me. I could tell the cameraman. He was like, I mean, what are our chances of survival on this?
Which he was kidding, but I wasn't. I said, I'd say 70%. And he just looked at me kind of dumbfounded, which is a great time to then introduce Jesus. But we had already had that talk, so I was like, you're good. We're in Jesus.
Yeah, we had all that available. I just – It just takes way more time, you know. And it was my wife's birthday yesterday, and she was like, all right, you know. I told her I was going to take her out to eat. And, I mean, I was out there for hours. But I got it all done. And I was like, it's going to take too long. I mean, so I was just doing it for the love of my wife. And I was one out of two.
And the second one is huntable. It just, what happened was you can't see what's under the water. And one of the logs my dad has, I'm not kidding. This log is like, I would say, 40 yards long. It's twice as big as all the other logs. And it hung on something and eventually broke up. itself away from the blind.
Zach, it's an inner thing. I think we've been going through John 6, which is difficult. And we all are surrounded by people who say yes. And so, Zach, I think it's subliminal. because me and Al will say no. Which we all need those people in our life, you know, because there's only one yes man. I think, what is that, 1 Corinthians 1?
So then we had the blind was kind of... I mean, it was still floating, but... And so then it became a blocker to where we wanted to put it. So we got it close. So what we'll do, nobody will panic. When the water goes down, we'll get heavy equipment in there, jack the blind up, put another flotation under. It's just made it harder, but that will be to be continued. It's in the right spot.
It's just... the shell of what it once was. Sounds like good TV.
Well, yeah.
There is a fear factor, but you got to realize everybody has roles to play because you need a high-quality motor man. I'm not bragging. I just am. I mean, Al, you can testify to this. First thing I learned how to do when I was probably eight, was run an outboard motor. And so you have to be really good with an outboard motor on this. Backwards and forwards.
So I told Jay, because you can't have any distractions. The biggest distraction is in floodwaters, all of the critters... run to the blind or swim to the blind or crawl. Or slither. I sent Dan, and he formed a posse, Dan the butler. And I think Jay headed them up because he's a skilled shooter. So they de-cotton-mowed the blinds before I ever got there.
They did this a week ago, and they de-beavered the blinds. Those were the main two suspects. Did you see any floating fire ant balls?
Yeah, but you're only dealing with things that can kill you. Yeah, I understand. And the beavers are destroying the blind. They want to move in. It's not personal with the beaver. And I know people listen like, oh, don't hurt the beaver, but they're destroying our blinds. I don't care if the beaver lives or dies. I just don't want him to do it in our houses. He needs to go somewhere else.
You're free to leave, but if you make a stand, guess what? You die. Yep, we call the grave digger. And you don't think they'll take a stand, but they do in the cotton mills. Do they ever take a stand? This is like, this is my house. And we're like, no, we built it. So, oh, Jay, you know, he was loading up his pistol, you know. I was like, I thought you had already de-crittered the blind.
He's like, well, you never know when you'll have some new inhabitants. But we didn't really run into any of that. So it was good. It was a good day.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. Jason, the last podcast you were talking about celebrating Resurrection Sunday, is what I like to call it, in Nashville, where Reed was leading worship. I was in Gulf Shores down here at the Southern Lair.
We had had a quote from Isaiah 54 where Jesus talked about Israel being taught by God. And that led me to Deuteronomy 7. Because my thinking was Jesus is kind of making the point that, you know, there's nothing really that special about Israel itself other than Israel was made a people so that they could bring Jesus, which is his whole point. Now I'm here. Oh, yeah. And you're rejecting me.
I married them. And I remember seeing this young man for the first time. And, you know, he came into one of our house churches because they started dating. And he was, I don't know exactly sure where he was on the scale of belief. I mean, he was somewhere in between atheist and agnostic and for sure a skeptic. And he was, you know, he was pretty bold about it.
And I want to read that text. And then, Jason, I'm going to turn it over to you because you took that and jumped in and made some interesting observations about the whole book of Deuteronomy.
I did not know the number.
Which is a quote from Deuteronomy as well.
Like, you don't see that much because you're coming into like a Christian environment, especially in a house church. But he was, I mean, fact checking everything we were talking about, you know, on his phone the whole time we were having this. And I was thinking to myself, Quite honestly, I was thinking, man, Johanna needs to move on. This kid is not going to make it.
And I was saying, Zach, that I'm very thankful he never got it because I would have been one of the first person he would have shrunk. So I'm glad he didn't get it.
He's not going to be worth the effort. Well, they wound up falling in love, get married. And this journey that now brought him to Sunday has been remarkable to watch. And one of the things that I think was so beautiful about it, and I sent a text to Godwin. just congratulating him and getting to be in that moment with his son-in-law was really cool.
And I said, your example, yours and Paula, of grace and just really patience in working with your daughter and your son-in-law and ultimately leading him to Christ was such an inspiration to me. And so John sent me this text back and I wanted to share it on the podcast. He said, he said, thanks, you know, and he had gone to, Celio had gone to a men's retreat, which made a huge impact on his life.
Well, and let's face it, that phrase, hardening of the heart, I mean, obviously one of the meanings has to be that it's just a non-understanding as well. Because you remember the disciples, it mentioned their hearts were hard, meaning they didn't understand what Jesus was doing. One of the times they were out on the lake with it.
And so you know right there it's not because somehow that they hated Jesus or they hated God or they hated – I mean, they were – they gave their whole lives to it. But they didn't understand. And so the application, I think, is the same. Part of that is just not getting what's happening because you don't want to.
And he said, here's what his son-in-law said. He said, Jesus was baptized when he was 30 by a man named John. And now I'm 30 and I'm baptized by a man named John. And, and so I thought that was pretty cool. And Godwin said, and you got to hear it in Godwin's voice, I guess. I don't know what that means, but I'm in great company.
I mean, Jesus nailed them to the cross, but... You shall have no other gods before me was the second one. You shall not make yourself an idol, and you shall not misuse the name of the Lord.
Exactly.
Yeah, we really like this. If you're watching the podcast, I'm holding some of this in my hand. It's great. You mix it up. You drink it. One of the things I loved about the descriptions that we talked to these guys is your doctor will notice that – Something has happened to make you healthier. And that's one of their guarantees, which I love.
And so I thought that was pretty cool that the whole idea of that happening in their lives. So it was just, I don't know, I thought what better way to end your time together as a family on Resurrection Sunday than watching a new birth. Watching somebody get raised up out of the watery grave to baptism.
And just to add to what you said, Jace, Moses wrote the Torah, which is Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. And Genesis 1 through 11, as you described, was that ancient man idea that led up to the Tower of Babel. We get to Genesis 12, we pick up the promise to Abraham, which is when you first start reading about the people of God and the promises of God.
And then that runs all the way through Genesis. And Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers are then the results of that. So Deuteronomy is almost a retelling of all of this history, of everything God has designed, which is why, of course, that we go there. And so here's the reading, Deuteronomy 7, 7. He's talking about the Jewish people. Remember, they were slaves. They were enslaved in Egypt.
But it was because the Lord loved you. and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers, that goes back to Abraham, that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh, king of Egypt. Know, therefore, that the Lord your God is God. He is faithful.
He is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands." But those who hate him, he will repay to their face by destruction. He will not be slow to repay their face, those who hate him. Therefore, take care to follow the commands, decrees, and laws that I give you today.
And so for the first time in as far back as I can remember, I'm guessing it's got to be over 20 years, I was not preaching at on Easter Sunday. And typically, Mike and I usually preach together at WFR. It's kind of been a tradition since he came back 20 plus years, 25 years ago. And so it was very strange not being there. We had family down here. Old Stone came down.
Well, you know what I love about the whole thing? I mean, in and of itself, you're right, Zach, it's a really cool thing that happens. It's almost kind of like adult camp, you know, for men and women. But the idea that every few years, the Almighty sends a wave through His Holy Spirit. Jason's right. Yeah. That, you know, there'll be different methods. I mean, at one time it was small groups.
So, Jace, this year I turned 60. And one of the things I realized as I was getting older is, you know, I needed to lose some weight, not just, you know, because I was fat, but also because I wasn't very healthy. And so I tried to do it on my own last year, as we talked about on the podcast. I didn't do very well. I needed a plan. I needed some structure.
At one time it was, you know, bus ministry. There's all these different things that come along, but they all have the same thing in mind, leading people to him. And, you know, we just kind of have to be ready to catch the next wave, whatever it's going to be. I never know. And it may not even be your thing. It may not be something you would have ever thought would be effective, but it is, you know?
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Oh, exactly. Yeah.
No, I think that's good, James. And it also shows you the imagery that John used when he was painting all these word pictures that Jesus laid out, which is very powerful. So next time we'll tie that off and we'll try to move on to John 7, which continues our journey in the book of John. So we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast.
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We caught some crabs out in the lagoon and had a big crab and shrimp bowl. And it was a lot of fun. Had a great weekend together. And so that day we tuned in. And one of the things is I loved it all. Of course, it's just such a great day because for preachers, it's like Super Bowl Sunday. As you know, there's always a lot of people there. And I wish they were there all the time.
God's grocery store?
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Zach, I mean, I don't know about you, but like when I look at the stories of other people and what they're going through, I mean, it makes me not only pray for them and want to reach out to them, but also just appreciate. how blessed we are whenever we go through difficult times. Absolutely, Al. And I think that every Christian needs to have this book in their home.
So a good friend, Todd Nettleton, who's the voice of the Martyrs Radio host, is the one who wrote the book. He traveled to these restricted nations over the course of 20 years and These are interviews of people, real people's lives where they were persecuted. Their faith was tested at great personal cost to them. And those stories of inspiration can now help you in your everyday walk.
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Chase, you don't need a cold open when you're placing an order. You can just order.
But, you know, it's just kind of the way it works. But at the end of it, something amazing happened. Our old friend, John Godwin, who's on our sister podcast in the Duck Call Room from time to time, he baptized his son-in-law. At the end of the service, you know, Sunday. And it really touched me because, you know, obviously I've been there the whole time with him and Johanna, their daughter.
You're at Chili's.
Major downgrade.
Your next door. For those of you that don't know West Monroe, they're next door to each other, by the way.
But, you know, all those – Well, their Southwest Egg Roll, if you're going to order something off the app menu, the Southwest Egg Rolls are pretty good.
You need the signs, but you also need an entourage. You don't need to be doing these things on your own. You just aren't capable. I mean, that's just sad but true.
All right. So we're hoping that today may be the day, we're not sure, where we actually tie off John 6. It's been an amazing run of study time in this chapter, but Jace has pointed out in the past all the reasons why, so I won't rehash it again. But we came to one point we just couldn't quite leave because we read the entire text last time. And but there was one little thing.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. You would never know this audience, but we are a day late in recording.
Well, it sounds like it's getting easier, so I think you just need to keep going. So, Connor, tell us. So you're newly married. Is that right? You're a newlywed, Connor?
He who marries will be taking on many troubles in this life. That was how he started our wedding.
When Alabama was one step away. I mean, when he was buying the tickets, there was a possibility.
I am liking Connor more and more.
So you're surprised at Missy.
Because Jace has some travel issues or something. I don't know. We started getting texts, Zach, in the night.
And for a few fleeting seconds until they recognized who it was, they would believe the story. Well, that was my thinking. Yeah.
Well, I couldn't help but think kind of when you were talking about it sounds so much like David, like King David. I mean, who's famous.
for being a king and slaying goliath and doing all these things but really his heart was it was the heart of the musician and the writing of the psalms i mean those weren't we think of those now because they inspire so many worship songs it's like he was just it was strictly that but these a lot of these were just where his heart was at the moment some of them are rough Some of them are raw.
Some of them are about destroying my enemies and all these different things. But it was a a word spoken into his culture at his time. But that God was always a part of it. And so, you know, like you, I mean, he had he had different gifts, but that was the one it seemed like that he relied on the most, which which I thought was pretty powerful.
But, you know, Zach, you're a little off. It wasn't the Hall of Fame deal, but it was in the Superdome, and you described it perfectly. And it was just 400 surprised Cajuns that dad would do this. But you're right. It immediately changed the impact, kind of what Connor was describing. But what's more interesting, when dad walked off stage, because I was there –
The guy who was selling our duck calls for us, he looked at dad and he was like, Phil, you can't do that. He was a Cajun. He said, you can't do that. You can't mix your business and your religion. You'll lose both. And I'll never forget. Dad looked him square in the eye and he said, do you understand? Without Jesus, there would be no business. It's the reason I'm here.
And I saw that like ironclad, this is our culture now. And that went forward. And that was, you know, 25 years before anybody even thought about a television show or an ability to do it on a bigger platform. But that's the thing. I mean, what Connor's describing is when you make a decision and do it on whatever platform your own, God can trust you with a little and he can trust you with a lot.
You're right. I think that set our culture as a family. Would you agree, Jay?
So Connor, did you grow up watching the show when it was on?
Kind of weird. Like right next door is the duck call room. Yeah. So, Connor, do you listen to Unashamed? Do you have an opportunity to ever listen to the podcast?
So, I mean, my wife was like, tell us, uh, Connor, is there, how can folks find your music and, uh, or find out where you're touring and stuff like that?
Well, your story is amazing. I want to, I want to leave with this, uh, Psalm 1913, uh, written by King David, says, Keep your servant also from willful sins. May they not rule over me. Then will I be blameless, innocent of great transgression. He gave you a 1913.
A replacement. Thank you very much. I need that for my marriage. And tell your wife we said hello as well. Christian, it's always good to have you as well. Connor, God bless you and what you're doing. We're 100% behind you. To tear down that wall and be Jesus' servant in front of people and for people is an amazing calling. So we're excited to see where God takes you and all that. Praise God.
Thank you, guys.
Country in the Clouds. Now I'm excited. Everybody look for it. Connor, God bless you, brother. We'll see you next time. Thank you for being on Under Shame. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube.
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And you're sitting there.
Well, I guarantee you, he could have went to the bathroom if he'd have wanted to.
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It's free. And listen up. Some of their solutions are time sensitive, so you'll need to move quickly. Go to donewithdebt.com. That's donewithdebt.com. So welcome back to Unashamed. We've got some special guests in the house. One is an old face. Well, he's not very old, but he's been on our podcast for Christian Huff. Welcome back, Christian. Thank you.
No, we don't have to introduce James. Trust me, he does plenty of introductions on his own.
So Connor, welcome to Unashamed Nation. Happy to be here.
Well, he's more CCR.
Eagles. Yeah.
Which is perfect because we've got a country music singer on the podcast today, so that worked out really well.
He's like, well, in the last 50 years, we have figured out how to make light...
How did the writer of the book of Revelation know that?
That's right.
If you live in Louisiana and you have shoes. So you think, oh, they're slippers.
Yeah, but it's like a P-Row. I wouldn't say I'm going to go jump in a lake with them.
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Oh, I'm taking out the garbage. Guess what? I don't have to take my slippers off. And the reason I call them slippers is because when you squirrel hunt, you have to slip and be quiet. Which is why dad hunted in socks. And he passed that on to me. The problem is there's a thorn issue. Yeah. That, remember, he would spend countless hours.
There was a pattern. He would shoot the squirrels, clean the squirrels, okay, before she started preparing to cook the squirrels, or he would cook them also.
Zach, when I see you, I think, that guy, he is a pure talker. There you go.
Is that a joke? What have you not eaten? Squirrel? I'm not a big fan of it. I would put that at the top of all rodents that you could eat. Do you eat squirrel brains? No, but my mom did.
But we didn't eat them because there's not really a whole lot there. Yeah. But she seems to think that it... Contributed to.
You can put it at the top of the rodent family. Yeah. But the chasm is great. There's like, there's squirrel and then there's everything else.
No, they're actually really good.
Why would I want to eat a bear?
Yeah, because you see them in your trash can. You've given us a good reminder on why we have so much friction.
Yeah. I mean, this book, when faith is forbidden, really echoes a famous verse in the Bible that says that people didn't love their life so much as to shrink back from death, you know, in the name of Jesus and their testimony of him. And it's really inspiring because it makes Jesus' resurrection real.
I would basically, after this four-minute conversation, classify you as a yuppie. Because I don't eat bear?
No, just because you're like, do you eat squirrel? I mean, what kind of... When you say something like that, I mean, it reminds me of this conversation Jesus was having. I mean, I don't eat them. I'm just persecutors. It's just not my... I mean, it's not in my... I still remember a lot of... Look, you're asking the wrong questions. Do you eat squirrel? That... I didn't even want to answer that.
Yeah. I mean, I would say my favorite is they'll brown them. They'll cut them into four pieces. brown them, then put them in the oven for an hour, put whatever they put in there. I don't know how, you know, and then they make a gravy out of the driblings and you eat it.
But you also have squirrel and dumplings, which is my favorite way to eat dumplings.
Well, if you don't know the anatomy, it's like we eat a chicken leg, but we know there's a bone in there. But when you're eating a squirrel and you've never eaten a squirrel, you're like, ooh, what is this?
It was funny. So look, we're famous for being outdoors people, and I have a really exciting thing that I'm involved in with my brother Willie. And I'm going to give you a plug because this, what I'm fixing to tell you about, it will sell out. So I'm giving our unashamed listeners.
We don't know.
Well, that's true. I don't know what it is. Now, look, on May 3rd, which is a Saturday, at Camp Chioka, which we all, my parents met there.
They did. They fell in love. They fell in love there. I saw my wife there before she was my wife and thought, ooh. So at Camp Chioka, which the Chioka stands for Christian Youth Camp. I recently just learned this. After all those years. I thought it was a Native American name. Yeah. But if you take the two letters, the first two letters, you understand Camp Chi, C-H-Y-O Youth Camp. Camp, C-A.
Camp Chioka. Isn't that cute? Charge you with camp. So at Camp Chioka, Saturday, May 3rd, they're having a sportsman's day. I will be speaking. And look what's going to happen. It's a whole day, family fun, live fishing, duck call demonstrations, a barbecue competition, jumpers. I'm not sure what that is. Those are the things that kids jump around in.
Petting zoo. Look, axe throwing. Okay.
It's open to all ages. There's an archery competition. There's also a silent auction with amazing stuff. So I think it's $15 for adults. The kids get in free.
And it will sell out. But I wanted to invite you. Camp is kind of a special place for all of us.
You may win. So there's competition. You're in the woods. You'll get first-rate instruction of the wild. So even if you're a yuppie like Zach or you're just a redneck and want to have some fun, it's open to everyone. But once it sells out, it'll be gone. So it's May 3rd, Saturday, Camp Chioka. Go to Camp Chioka. How do you spell it? So you got camp, C-H-Y-O-C-A.org.
Yeah. Chiyoka. And you can, I guess you can register there. So that's my pitch. Yeah, I'm promoting that today. Yeah. So in various ways. So y'all come out. It'll be fun.
Bring in the bullpen.
I'm hearing that famous song. We are family in the background. That's what happens when we get together.
Here it is, Because You're My Family.
What's the difference between me and you? I don't ask. That's all you wear. Well, 90% of my wardrobe is camo.
Yeah. You miss y'all?
He looked like a – Do you see that, Matty? Yeah.
Gentle and lowly.
Well, I want to tell you that my son actually gave me these for Christmas. You know what's fascinating? What? They're waterproof.
By the way, y'all don't do the social media, but I do. And I think that the boys over there may have been offended by the conversation we had about the duck call room.
Yeah, they put out a little reel on Instagram of Jace basically saying it was, I forget how you said it, something like it was a fine line between a pod. What was it?
Which may or may not have been called some version of a fun sucker.
By them.
So Si came out swinging, but Martin was like, well, I mean, he's kind of got a point.
Thank you, Martin, for being truthful. But I want to go on the record and say I love those guys over at that career. It was fun.
I actually like being on it because I was reading through some of the comments on YouTube and one guy said- Yeah, because they think you're smart. Well, no, they were – they said – the guy's like, Zach actually has a fun personality. I just thought he was a punk or something like that. I watch him on Unashamed. But they were like – so my personality was like highlighted over there with those guys.
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You're one of the most destructive counselors I've ever seen.
I mean, Al is like... I feel like this is one of them things that's like, it's kind of like we're joking, but then I feel like we're going to get out of here and this is going to come back to haunt me. And so I'm going to hold you accountable. I'm always in your phone. Just call me when you need me.
Was it two inches?
Do you feel like maybe there could be some truth about her story? Think about you maybe embellishing. I mean, do you think you might struggle with that?
Go ahead. We can edit it out.
We listen to Jesus rambling. It's like Seinfeld meets a Bible study. A show about nothing meets the Word of God.
Well, people do know what I'm saying, Jace. And they'll tell you that in the comments. Now, Jace is smarter than he tries to play the... Oh, he's like an old Airedale dog, yeah. Oh, yeah.
The ontological, there is an ontological argument inside of apologetics that's very hard to understand. It's one of the few that I was like, ooh, that hurts my brain to think about it.
Yeah.
Well, I would say that I'm actually not comfortable with it, but I think Jill's comfortable with it. I kind of feel uncomfortable, but she'll go there in public. She don't care. When we lived here, we had a house church with Paula and John Godwin, by the way. Two of my favorite people.
Yes, I mean, it's hard to grasp what Jesus is claiming here, but when you think about the word ontology, the other word that you can use, it's different, but economy. Economy. And so when you think about who is God and who is Jesus in God, ontologically, like his nature, his very being, his nature, he is the sovereign God.
But now inside of that Godhead, he has a, and this does get controversial in certain circles, but
Just deal in the facts. Well, there's just different roles, right? At the very least, we can say that Christ in his incarnated state in a body, or the Son in the body... Was serving the Father. That's not controversial. That's not controversial. He says that a hundred times. But what gets controversial is, was the Son always in this position eternally?
And I think that, well, I won't say what I think here because I don't want to get off track. But I think that what's interesting when you think about what Jesus is establishing himself as here, as being this, he's saying, I'm God. I'm God. That's who I am. And by being God means that he is going to be the provider of all things. And all things will originate with him. All things.
Every blessing, every revelation, everything originates with God. And the problem that these guys were having is that they just could not quite give him their trust. And they always, give me more signs, give me more signs.
Because he was a human.
There was a... There's this interesting thing I've been studying recently about... They were called the Targums, and they basically would take the Old Testament Hebrew scripture, and they would rewrite it in Aramaic so that the people could understand it, and then they would teach it from the different places in town and different synagogues.
And if you go back and read some of those, it's very, very interesting that they said they would read the Old Testament, and they said, man, it seems like there's like two Yahwehs.
And one of our favorite house churches we've ever done, too. And we got in a big fight Sunday after church about something. I don't remember. Well, she leaves right before house church. And we were newly married. She bolts out. I don't even know where she went. She storms out of the house. And then everyone shows up for house church.
So it's all throughout the scriptures. There's a bunch of scriptures in the Old Testament where you're reading it, and Yahweh speaks about himself in the first and third persons. You're like, is there two Yahwehs? It's kind of confusing. So the way that they solved this dilemma, not even knowing about Jesus, is they translated one of those to be the word of Yahweh.
And the word of Yahweh translated is the logos of Yahweh. Find out on my credit card, someone's purchased an Apple computer and it wasn't me. Has that ever happened to y'all? But I really needed it, Zach. I tried to track this down.
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We want a king.
But that's another version of a sign, though. The prophets were signs. Well, it is.
Yeah, I think it's, they say, I've heard it said this way, you want the kingdom without the king, and that's what they wanted. But when you read that verse about demanding a sign, And the problem is when you follow the signpost instead of the sign giver, then what happens is you will forget. You just will. So there's interesting text in Mark chapter 8. Because think about it.
Jesus fed 5,000 people with, what was it, five loaves of bread and two fish. Then in Mark 8, it's recorded that he feeds 4,000 people, and he had, I think, seven loaves of bread that he fed them with. And you go back to the whole thing that happened in Exodus when he had manna dropping out of the sky. I mean, so there's this pattern in Scripture of Jesus always shows up with the bread, right?
Always. He always shows up.
So I'm in there doing like the whole, I'm doing the lesson and everything. And everyone's like, why is the house so messy? And I was like, I don't know, it's just because things happen. See, y'all just left it messy.
I think there's another question that Jesus asked in Mark 8 that ties into this. Because right after the times when he fed them the 5,000, then he fed the 4,000, like right after that. And John, when the Pharisees demand a sign, which is the same place we're at here, In John 8, 14, it says they had forgotten to bring bread. And they'd only had one loaf with them in the boat.
And he cautioned them, saying, watch out, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, of the leaven of Herod. And they began discussing with one another the fact that they had no bread. Now think about this. It just came out of the scene where Jesus shows up with five loaves of bread. He feeds 5,000 people with seven loaves of bread. With abundant leftover.
Then they get on a boat and they're like, whoa, we only got one loaf of bread. We're not going to be able to feed ourselves. And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, why are you discussing the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand bread? Are your hearts hardened? Having eyes to see and having ears, do you not hear?
And do you not remember when I broke the five loaves for 5,000, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up? They said 12. And seven for the 4,000, how many baskets were broken and were taken up? And they said to him, seven. And he said, do you not understand? They still didn't get it. And there is something in this too, that those 12 baskets, 12 tribes of Israel. And 12 disciples.
Well, then Jill walks in like during house church, like 25 people. And she's out on hills and it's like clicking through the house. Look, he still remembers.
The seven baskets. Seven nations. The seven nations of the Gentile territory. Right, right. There's a picture here coming together of, And there's like so many layers of what's happening here that they don't have a clue. But Jesus is revealing it in himself.
And now, because we have the Holy Spirit, Paul says in Ephesians 3, that all of this, this whole crazy thing of Gentile Jew coming together in one kingdom under the king of kings, he says that through the church, the manifold wisdom of God would now be made known to the powers and the rulers in these heavenly realms.
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And I think that that's what they're doing here when they say, when he's talking about, he said, for the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world. They said to him, sir, give us this bread always. They knew that whatever that, but they didn't know what he was talking about. But the money quote is the next one. Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life.
Whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never... I mean, that's the money quote, that he is the bread of life. He's the man of the kingdom.
we're in a big fight, you know, but that was like a catalyst for our community. Cause it was like, okay, well, married people fight. Yeah.
See, right now, there was an opening. This will be great. There was an opening right there that if I had taken it, all the negative energy could have shifted to Jill. She would have been the scapegoat. So it's called the scapegoat mechanism. The key is you cannot allow yourself to be the focal point of the energy of the group.
Yeah.
And I think that when you read that text, because it can be confusing, I think you have to, again, read it in the flow of redemptive history and the return to Eden and that understanding that nations were created I mean, they were created by God in Genesis 11. But that's all coming to a close, and he's bringing all the nations back together.
Again, referring back to that verse, and Paul talks about this in Ephesians 3. He says the mystery hidden in ages is a mystery. Basically, the Gentiles are being included into salvation now. So when he talks about, in John 6, I think this is one of the main points he's making. that whoever the father gives me, I'm going to keep them. And who's he going to give?
He's going to give the children of faith to him. It's the Romans 9 argument.
Yeah, we'll break the fourth wall here. And this is so that the key is if you're in the Robertson family. which we all are, even though I'm a Dasher. Same thing with Dashers, too, though. We've got the same problem.
Mom moved in with Dad. Yeah, they went and saw Phil and Kay.
Because then once it happened, like the last podcast, I became the focal point and then all the negative energy. Because I willed it to happen.
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An Arden, Alabama fan. So what I'm doing now is I'm sacrificing myself because I had an opportunity when you said that to Jill. I could have turned on Jill. I don't know if you ought to turn on her or not.
I don't. I want to move back into John Smith, man.
Well, that's what dad used to say when he talked about, you know, take everything out of the refrigerator, throw it in a pot. Hey, maybe we'll get lucky. You know, that was the way he described it. So let me tell you this, because Jay, you talked about a weird night. So it was night before last, which was the night last night we recorded the podcast a couple of days ago.
And I did something, I'm trying to think if I've ever done it. I don't know if y'all have ever done this before. I woke up and I was crying. Like I had tears on my face. And it was from this dream I was having. And it was about dad, you know, because, you know, all of us have been concerned. I pray all the time for him and, you know, for him, mom.
And so a lot of times I think about it before I go to sleep. You know, it's the time I spend with the almighty to close out the day he blessed me with. But in my dream, President Trump was awarding dad the Presidential Medal of Honor, whatever they do for civilians. And, of course, Dad couldn't be there. And so we were there, Jace. It was all the boys. And Phyllis was there, too.
And we were receiving it on his behalf. And, you know, I rarely remember a dream. I've dreamed things before, and I thought, man, I woke up. Like, what happened? It was something scary or whatever. But I couldn't remember the details. But this one was so clear. But I don't know that I've ever cried in a dream and then woke up with actual tears on my face. Have you ever done that?
Yeah, I mean, it was so it was so impactful to me. The dream was I was so proud, you know, in the moment that like Trump was recognizing dad. And look, Trump said in the in his like thing when he was, you know, giving us the medal, he said, this man shared the gospel with me, you know, and I've always remembered it. So he says what dad always says about him. So I guess that was it.
Yeah, potluck was a four-letter word in our vocabulary.
It was just it was a weird thing. But I mean, I've never woke up crying before that I can remember. Maybe I have. So one of the things I wish, Zach, that I had learned about early in life was that living above your means and going into debt is something that follows you for a long time. And it puts a lot of strain on your family, on your relationships, and even on your marriage.
And Lisa and I, through the early years of our marriage, really struggled with debt.
Same thing with law enforcement or, you know, first responders a lot of times. I mean, just not a lot of money, but man, you talk about just putting your life on the line.
Which is why I mentioned that fault line before, because Zach mentioned this in the last podcast. The first time we see this idea that they're wanting to kill him comes up here in chapter five. And that's going to continue forward. What were you going to say, Zach?
Well, you're right. It's a whole community thing because the Cajuns, they have made tables, you know, long tables and round tables with the hole in the middle and where everybody can converse as they're enjoying this delicious crawfish boil and all this stuff. It's very communal and it's designed for that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, to back up your point, Zach, when we used to rent big houses down here, when the whole family would come and now we're so big we can't do it anymore. But in the old days, we did. Lisa got to where she would ask.
before we would rent a house, because there's a lot of Louisiana people that own houses down here, especially from South Louisiana, she would say, is this house owned by someone from Louisiana? And the reason we asked that is because we knew the cooking equipment would be there that we needed for our week with the pots and pans and everything else.
So, I mean, we literally asked the question before we would rent a house, is it Louisiana owned?
Well, you remember Adam Carolla said that when he was on our podcast a few years ago. He mentioned about – because he's agnostic or atheist or used to be, I guess. I don't know if he still is. But he said, you know, I admire you Christians was the way he put it. Talking about us. He said, on your show, the way you do it.
He said, when I come into my house, everybody goes to their rooms to eat their meals and nobody's ever together. He said, but when I go to Dennis Prager, who's Jewish, or I watch you guys on TV, he said, y'all seem to really like being around the table together. It was just an interesting observation, I thought, and almost like he lamented it, that he didn't have it in his own family.
Which is why I think I said before, I think that's why we wound up on television, because you had your little moment, the spotlight on the table and you didn't want to blow it. You want to have something to say that was either funny or, you know, mattered. You didn't want to waste your moments. You didn't get that many. Yeah.
Yep.
Read at least the first 15 verses, Joseph. Let's get into that, which is the actual miracle.
And talked about his resurrection.
And then the celebration of that, Jase, is a meal. I mean, you eat that lamb, you eat the unleavened bread, the herbs, all the stuff that goes with it.
And Jason, let me give one little tease before you go back to the text. He mentions the Passover one more time. And guess when that is? When he's about to go into Jerusalem, and John mentions it three times as Jesus is going in for the last Passover, which is very interesting that he mentioned it three times in his book and three times at the last time, just to show the importance.
So true.
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That's right.
Is that the best thing you've ever laid a lip on? That's the way he said it.
I don't think the other three mentioned Philip or Andrew. There's for sure no conversation.
That was a joke out there, people. He didn't pay off his in-laws. It's okay. But your wife's cooking, though.
That's what I put in my nose, Chase. It was like, maybe, maybe. Here's a happy meal.
Probably double that with the kids and women.
I think 1815.
So Jesus... And Moses even said, greater than I. So he was letting them... That was it.
That's the money left.
Which is an interesting thing, too, that you get from reading the other gospel narratives, because John is just kind of picking these events along. He's not necessarily trying to be chronological. But when I read the other versions, the other eyewitness accounts, there were two things else that had happened. I think they helped set the context of the mindset, because Jace is right.
it seems counterintuitive to us for him to take the task he took that now is the time for him to step out because now they're saying and wanting him to be king, but it's not the right context. So two things have happened. One is this follows, uh, him sending out the disciples. They just got back right before this happened.
And so that's part of the reason they were retreating is to get a little rest because they had just gone out. Remember when he sent them out and said, you know, shake the dust off. So that had just happened. So they're probably on cloud nine that they got to get out on their own and share about the kingdom, about what was coming.
And the second thing that had happened from one of the other accounts is that John had just been beheaded. in prison, which effectively ended the forerunner, you know, his life and everything he had come to do. And now it's just Jesus. So he's the only one left.
So one is, you know, Jesus has taken that personally, which I think is part of the mindset with him and the idea that this was his cousin as well as somebody he loved deeply. He said there's no one greater on earth than him. And yet these two things that happen leading up to this event.
Well, by the way, Zach, you're exactly right. And not with my current diet, but in past diet, a doctor told me, he said, there's two biblical words you've got to practice if you want to lose weight. And I said, biblical words? He said, yeah. I said, well, lay it on me because I'm a Bible man. He said, well, first is repent. You said, you know what that word means? I said, yep, it means change.
So I do think that helps us the context as to kind of why Jesus responds the way he does, as well as the disciples and probably why there's that little interlude of him walking on the water, too. I got a new nickname that someone called me recently on the road. They call me the incredible shrinking man. You are shrinking. I have to admit, you look like a million bucks. I'm shrinking.
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I mean, if you look at it, it was three kings. It lasted Saul, David, Solomon, then it split after Saul.
But it's also the classic way of how God does business. He's also looking at the needs of those in the moment. Because by the way, how many disciples were there that needed to eat? Because they've been serving this whole time, 12. So guess who got the basket full of the leftovers? Probably each one of them. those 12 disciples to their sustenance in the moment.
So to prove your point, Zach, it's the sustenance of the moment, which is what prophecy does, but also the bigger picture of what it provides for everybody.
He said, that's right. You got to change your habit. So I got that one. He said, and the second one is divorce. And I was like, whoa, Doc, now wait a minute. He said, you have to divorce your love for food. And I said, Doc, I'm thinking more just like a separation with a hope of reconciliation.
No doubt.
All the time. I mean, any time.
Every day.
I don't think I can be actively rooting for divorce, especially what Jay's just said, because we survive to eat.
No, and that's so good because we're out of time, but that's exactly where we're headed with his explanation when we get into the text too. So we'll pick it up here next time on Mud of Shame. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube.
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Well, Jase, I swallow a lot of aggression along with a lot of Johnny's pizzas.
What is your conclusion?
They sent us the cheese. It's natural American cheese.
Yeah, I've been wearing that too.
I will say there have been people that sided with Zach in the argument. A lot of people. But I don't know that they've tried this natural American.
Welcome back to Unashamed. We've been studying the book of John. We're going to get to John 6 today. And I don't know, Jay, she said you had a... You had a weird night leading into your Bible study?
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I've heard the next generation, Jay, talk about it at our Thanksgiving gatherings because, you know, our kids, they love to come up with something and try to bring it to impress all of us. Because if they ever get the thumbs up that this is a Robertson favorite, then it becomes part of the lexicon going forward. But it's usually a train wreck, you know. It is. It's trial and error.
But to show Jace's point is right, Zach, when you read that whole thing, the word I focused in on was roast. Because I love a good pot roast. Yeah, you got to sear it. You got to sear it, put it in some flour.
We're all ears. Okay.
Did Phil eat them?
Did you have to peel them for him?
Well, you've made it clear. Missy was freaked out by bugs in general. So, yeah, it goes against her.
That's a good daughter-in-law.
Yep.
You know, he had a little nightstand when I walked in. I mean, you guys are there a lot more than I am, but he had three things on the nightstand that I thought was interesting. And this sums up kind of his life. The biggest item on the stand was the Bible. The Bible, yeah. The Bible. The second biggest was a book about duck species, which I thought was funny.
The one that I should have suspected, but it was kind of the one that kind of hit me, was a glass of tea, a fun sweet tea. He's got all the essentials. He's got what he needs.
He told you that. That's good material.
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Another way of saying it is that things tear up over time. Well, exactly. But you know what's interesting about this word entropy? The reason why I use it a lot is probably about 20 years ago when I got into apologetics, One of the writers I was reading about was using this. It's a scientific fact. I mean, it's a law of the universe.
It's actually the second law of thermodynamics, which is about heat and matter and thermo heat. But imagine the universe and every star in the universe is like a campfire. And with any campfire. If you sit around it long enough and you don't add wood to it, what happens to it? Burns out. It burns out. So that's entropy.
What a great point there. And that's why the argument that Paul makes, you're looking for the signs. He said, the Jews look for the signs and the Greeks demand wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified. Meaning, We preach a Christ who died. Why would we preach that? Because he didn't stay dead. I mean, that's the big thing that's happening here in Scripture and Christianity gives us.
It's not just that we don't know. You don't avoid death. As a Christian, you conquer death. And that's a big difference.
What it's trying to do is the campfire is trying to get to the same temperature as everything around it, which is called equilibrium. And so the philosophers looked at this and they said, you know, the past has to have a beginning. Like Genesis 1 has to be – the Christian philosophers have said this – The Genesis one has to be true because the past has to have a beginning.
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It can't be like this eternal regression. There has to be a beginning to all this because of the second law of thermodynamics. Because given enough time, every fire in the universe will eventually burn out. But they're clearly not burned out because we still have the sun that gives us heat and a lot of other stars as well, which means that we haven't been here for an infinite amount of time.
There's a cosmic battle. There's a meta battle. No doubt. I totally agree. I think that there's a lot of discussion here.
Exactly. He does save us from our sins, personally. But he's also, like, we're being part, we're being invited into part of a cosmic battle. We're being invited into something much bigger than just our individual selves. Think about that Ephesians 3 passage when it says that through the church, the colorful or the manifold wisdom of God is being known to the,
I think it says the principalities and the rulers and the heavenly realms.
We're doing more than just – it's not that we don't – we are saved from our sin by Jesus, but we're also saved to something, and there's a bigger thing going on here.
Because if we had been, There wouldn't be any heat left. And so we actually can look at entropy as a tremendous example and evidence for the existence of the true claims of the Bible because it points to the fact that the universe began to exist. It hasn't always been here.
I'm preaching on that in two weeks. I was like, ooh. That's good. This is good. Because that curtain, what did it have sewn into it? that curtain, the veil that was torn, it had the cherubims sewn in. Yeah, that's what he put. And think about this, that behind that curtain in the temple was a place called the Holy of Holies. That's the whole point of the book of Hebrews, by the way.
The only way of getting in there is through the high priest, and he has to make the sacrifice for the people's sins once a year, and then first he has to atone for himself, and there's this whole like... Like, picture the Hebrew writer's painting. It was like, this is not a great system. You know what I mean? Like, is it going to work?
Man, what if we had a better system with a better priesthood where the priest didn't even have to atone for his own sins? He was perfect. And he didn't atone for our sins. Oh, by the way, then he also became the atonement for our sins. Oh, and also he is the temple. And you're seeing the picture played out here.
And I think that you see this in this text too, because when you think about the Sabbath, And Mark, Luke, I think in Matthew, they all have another event where Jesus addresses the Sabbath.
Yeah, think about what he says in Mark 2. He says that the problem is, is you guys didn't understand that the Sabbath... was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. You missed it. And the other part you missed is that Jesus, me speaking as Jesus, I'm Lord of the Sabbath. Oh, exactly. You missed those two big things, which is the whole thing we talked about in the last podcast.
So what does that do anything about the signs? And you brought up Hezekiah. If you end up just worshiping the signs, then you worship the Sabbath and you don't understand what the Sabbath was for because you don't understand who's the head of the Sabbath. Don't worship the signs. Worship the sign giver, the one who has authority over the signs.
And then you'll be able to see the sign in its context that these are actually made for our benefit.
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Well, that's legalism, right? So what is the definition of legalism? One definition we could use would be to take the things of God, the commandments of God, and twist, turn them into something that God does for Him instead of something that God does for us. Like we got to earn it somehow through keeping these.
It takes all kinds of people, though. We need each other. You know what I mean?
I think that'll help.
Look, I was dating.
The Bangles.
Hold on. Is this, did you make this up or is this like a real?
Well, let me just say something to our audience here. I think this is important. If you don't think we study for this podcast, the fact that he went that deep. I mean, he thought 1980. I mean, you did your work. You did your research.
Oh, man.
I don't have a lot of memories from the late 80s. I do have, when you say 1985. You were just a young lad. I was a little kid, but I do remember something from 1985. Every time I hear 1985, something pops in my head. What do you think it is? The most significant event in my mind.
Icky Woods, the Icky Shuffle, the 1985 Refrigerator Perry, the quarterback was Jim McMahon. It was a big thing, the 85 Bears.
You said we were talking about vision law. We were talking about age, and I said the one thing that none of us are going to escape is entropy.
Yeah, that was our first. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah.
I'm trying to think of what he said.
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I hadn't been around and I hadn't seen him in a few months. So I come in, it's like, whoa. Which I remember when Cy came up to see my mom. Yeah. And he walked in to see her, and, of course, he just – I mean, he was like me with you yesterday, Jason. He just lost it. We hugged each other and cried together. But it's because he hadn't seen her. So I think you have an image in your mind.
I've said this a lot about dementia and Alzheimer's. I think anyone in our audience who's gone through it, this will resonate with them. We talk a lot about how it steals the memories of the ones who have the disease, but for me, it also steals the memory of the one caring for the people who have the disease because you're seeing this slow progression over time and it's hard to watch.
But when you come in, it's a little more shocking when you see it, you know, in real life. But, yeah, I lost it. It was kind of a tough trip. I didn't anticipate that. I didn't anticipate, you know, either breaking down on you either, Jace.
What did he tell you, Jace, when you were there about the message to get to Kay? I thought that was funny. About the Navy? No, no one always said, tell her to call me.
She's in a hospital setting right now.
And, uh, yeah. It reminds me of that, uh, verse or in Ecclesiastes where it says that God has put eternity in the hearts of men. And then there's Psalms 90, teach us, Lord, to number our days. I think it says so that we might gain certain wisdom. And I think that it is really important to contemplate your own mortality. I mean, I think you see it when you have loved ones facing stuff.
But Jason, you made this point before. We're going through the Gospel of John. Every one of the people that got healed died. they eventually didn't get healed. We are part of a bigger story and this side of the second coming. So we emphasize the kingdom is here a lot on this podcast, but we also need to remember that it's not fully here. There is going to be a full consummation later.
We bonded.
Mr. Marshall.
So it does seem that quid pro quo. I mean, that's the nature of a relationship, though, if you think about it. A relationship's never a one-sided, you know, like, it's, you know, you seek each other, and you find that connection. I think that the Lord... God, the Father, wants, He's a relational God, even in His inner life. He's Father, Son, Spirit. He's not one person.
She knew our name. Really? She did. And then she said, what happens if this plane goes down?
He's three persons, one being. So I think we see that, and I think a lot of times in theologies, we'll get off when we miss that. But I understand why we probably miss that sometimes, because we don't want to give man credit for anything in terms of salvation. True. But I am a relational being, and God has called me into relationships. So there is a mutual, I mean, I do seek Him. Now,
Now, Romans says that no one seeks God, but the point, I think, is in our own will, it's been distorted. It has been corrupted by the fall. But Romans also says that those by persistence seek glory and immortality, he will give eternal life. So I think there's like this, I think that's the God's, he is connecting with people through a revelation of himself.
What are you going to do? And we're like, uh. And I was trying to remember because I've been on this.
And he reveals that to us, and we can reject that. We can reject the conviction of the Spirit and say, I don't want any part of that. But to reject that is to actually reject truth, and to reject truth is to reject the very essence of life itself, because that's what God is revealing to us.
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What do you do? He goes back to the seatbelt. I'm screaming, what do you do? We don't know. She called us out. She was like, I can't help you. I got to be the last one.
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blundering of dallas chosen has chosen debacle you showed up at the chosen but you weren't chosen he was unchosen it just shows you yeah how you got chosen he showed up unchosen at the chosen but then got chosen if you seek you will find that is true or you will be found i'm
Yeah, you see it. And that's the correlation to the text here is the Father wants worshipers who will worship him in truth and spirit. If your relationship with your spouse or with Lisa, if it was just transactional and you're like, what are the things I got to do? I'm going to study about Lisa. I'm going to know about Lisa. I know all the things that she likes.
But if it never moved beyond that to like a real personal connection where your spirit is connected. And then I think the truth comes into play in that like this is a revelation of reality. And so we can hide behind a lot of lies as humans. We can trick ourselves. I mean, guilty as charged. And the kind of worshipers the Father is seeking is not the Pharisees who had the illusion
of worship, but really their hearts were far from him. So they had built these structures. It was like a virtue signaling.
But it's like still you've got to present like it is.
We all know it's fake. But the social – you climb the social ladder based on how well – this is particularly true for young people – how well you can present. And that's why like it doesn't even matter like you – but you see this person. You ever saw like someone on Facebook or Instagram and you meet them in real life. You're like, ooh, you don't quite look the same as I thought you would. Yeah.
Probably people say that about me, but it's the picture, it's the virtue, it's the whitewashed tomb. And this passage in John 4, Jesus is disrupting that entire motif, and he's saying, I'm actually penetrating right to the core of the human. I'm looking for real relationship, which is why he goes on later in John, the Gospel of John, to define eternal life as a person. Knowing a person.
I'm going to be transformed. This body. Al, we've been doing this podcast, and we don't use the phrase going to heaven, have we?
Yeah.
Well, you just had the guy. What's his name? Throw in the comedian that was sitting at the front row seat. I think the Lakers gal. I forgot who they were playing. What's that guy's name? He's a famous comedian. And he ate something right before the game. And he got food poisoning. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.
And he threw up on the... And it's like all... It was like all over the... The papers had pictures of the whole... I mean, that's a vulnerable... You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You don't want to lose your credibility. Even though it's like normal. We all do it. But to have that broadcasted across...
Yeah, this was the Knicks game. It was Tracy Morgan.
They got him on camera. He'd never be the same.
Not really.
Yeah, it's a vulnerable thing.
You could get away with it.
Would you just step around and go?
I've heard you say that, which is shocking.
I don't remember you. He's making up for it, though. You didn't talk a lot when I was a kid, either. It was more... Now, if you cross me, I talked to... Now, you were extremely mean.
It wasn't just me who thought that. No, it was everybody.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I think we can all admit that maybe our raising, they could have done better. They didn't pay us money. It was all freebie work that we had to do.
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And she had already yelled at three different people. Sir, sir, sir, sit down. Sir. You're holding up the entire plane.
That's what he's saying.
That's hard to hear. I'm going to be honest with you.
Yeah. But you never laughed as a kid. I never saw you laugh. I never saw you smile. No. There's some trauma there.
I don't remember having a conversation with you probably the first 15 years of my life. I feel like the relationship started when I was about 17, maybe.
She said, flight attendants.
Please take your seat. And she never took a beat. She's like, flight attendants, please take a seat. Flight attendants, please take a seat. Flight attendants, please take a seat. And she just kept doing it until the girl sat down.
It was a little risky for some of us, but... But, yeah, I mean, you were pretty kind. I was. Jace was very dismissive. Willie was. I don't even know who you're talking about. I don't know about you.
When you were a kid. You were dismissive. You were like, don't talk to me. It was like an unspoken rule that we don't acknowledge each other. If you acknowledge me.
You're right. I have to give you credit. You're right.
Now, Willie was, I think he intentionally went after and tried to torment Willie. So his was like, I'm coming after you. I agree. You mentioned the wet willy. The wet willy. Maybe that came from him where you lick your finger and stick it in somebody's ear. And the, what do they call them? The Murphys and all. Anything, any little trick that was like, could like inflict pain.
Like he knew, he knew all those.
Did y'all fist fight ever?
And then she ends with, as soon as the girl sat down, she goes, I love you. Which I was like.
He took my knee out one time. He called it a sucker punch.
You fought Willie, though. I do remember seeing a few of those.
He wasn't always fat like he is now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wiry guys. Country straw.
Yeah, the suplex is not a real movie.
With what?
I was in third grade.
I kind of remember.
Hello, boys. Call me later. Yeah.
I didn't know what to say. It threw me for a loop. Yeah.
Well, your dad is more, you're more like your dad. So you have ice water running through your veins, which is a good thing. But it feels like he was like that. I'm trying to be like Jesus here. Well, I mean, you're emulating Phil as he emulated Jesus. You can give credit to him.
In a barrel? You put it in a barrel? Just like open range? There's no barrel. Open range.
You moron.
So, what did you think? Did you, like, rush over there and think he's dead?
I was scared. I mean, it was scary.
Something tells me that this is not the childhood that Dr. Hite had in mind when he talked about it. Live with risk. I think as long as you live. Well, we made it. I mean, there's a, I mean, because Jeff also drowned in the river and got pulled out by the dog. I mean, you fell through the roof of the grocery store.
What's his name? Gabe? Gabe. Pulled him out of the, dogs matter.
You wouldn't give me the time of day. That's why somebody's asked me. I wanted to be your friend.
I didn't make fun of people when I was that age. Oh, yeah. No, I learned now. It's been a character trait. No, that was just a fizz mechanism I learned over the years.
Yeah. The watching of it was like, meh. I got that first cut of the film back. I told them when they made the film, I said, here's the devil. Here's the vision. We're going to show the depravity of man. We don't want to water this down. That was my instruction. No, I know.
Yeah, there were some scenes, because you can't go back and you have an hour and a half, two hours to tell a story. The hardest thing to do is to show someone who really was depraved and then... Bring them out. You can do it in a series.
It always does.
Well, she, I mean, Samaritan woman, I mean, she played a key part in the gospel advancing in that area. No doubt about it. And I think about, you know, I went to that men's retreat recently, and... It was interesting because one of the guys there was talking about the influence of Phil. The web was Phil, Bill Smith, Paul Stevens gave his testimony, which is like crazy powerful. Very powerful.
One of my favorite Phil stories was we were on a plane. I think I've told it on this podcast before. If I have, I apologize, but Don't apologize. Don't apologize.
who married Bill Smith's daughter, then Phil brought him to Christ.
And then my mom was one of the key figures that brought Phil to Christ with Bill Smith. It was like this web of reciprocal benefit of the kingdom. And I think, man, you think you've gone too far. You think you've gone too far, but... I mean, you have no clue what God can do with you and what prominent role you're going to play in the expansion of his kingdom. It's very powerful.
Yeah, just remember, don't ever lay near burning trash. Dangerous out there.
We're on a King Air, 30,000 feet in the air. Just think about that.
You're not King of the Air.
It's me, Phil, my wife. And my son, Bear, who does have a thing, some kind of disorder where he has to touch everything and tear it apart. I don't know if it's a disorder. It's like a curiosity. He's very destructive.
What story were you telling? I forgot.
He walks in a room, there's a bunch of buttons. He doesn't know what they do. He just starts pushing them. I just see what it would do. Well, you don't know. If they don't do something, you don't know.
Yeah, he pulled the hubcaps off the van when he was two and a half. But where was he born? He's born here in this town.
Something with a paper mill. They dump something in the water, some kind of gamma rays.
He's a hybrid.
He tries things.
He's made it to 17. That's pretty incredible. You know, we've gotten further than we thought. We had a Bears 5 and He's Alive party.
Oh, yeah.
You got a mouthful of gas. When you're low on gas, you pull up.
Whoosh.
A big sucking sound. And, of course, I thought Bear has opened the door. I'm thinking Bear did this. I'm out of here. So Phil, he grabs Bear, because Bear was not in the seatbelt, yanks him back and puts him in the seat. He said, buckle up, son. And then Phil, the first thing out of his mouth. He said, well, boys, it's resurrection time.
Because most people have like a flight or... I guess flight or fight response. Mine is flight. I'm like, whoa, we're dying. This is over. Yeah. And he's just like, well, just... Cold water in the veins. All right, boys, this is what we've been working for.
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Well, that's what happened to me then.
I was not chosen, but I got chosen.
You're like turning it towards him where he can see it.
He had a face mask. He had a mask.
I saw a guy on a motorcycle, and he had the motorcycle on. He's on it by himself, and he's got a mask on.
And I've seen people driving cars by themselves, and they have masks on. I can't figure out what that is.
I just got used to it again.
Would you get scared in the moment if you heard that?
Feisty.
I am unashamed. What about you?
It was a nice moment, you know. And we've just, you know, our lives are so busy. And it was just a nice.
It was more weird for them, their family, because they had watched the show. Yeah. So I just thought in my mind, can you believe these people were watching this show one time? And just if maybe somebody having a thought, what if, you know, our daughter marries one of these people? I mean, you know, it's like horrifying. Yeah. And now it's a reality. So you're like.
You're trying to let them know it's not as scary. Oh, it got more awkward than that. So after all the festivities and all that, they actually put on Duck Somebody. Put on Duck Dynasty. Put three episodes on. And I thought, I can't believe this worked. I watched three episodes. And I thought, what? How did this catch on? It was kind of shocking to me. Yeah. That. That worked. People watched it.
So that was my take on that. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but I just didn't get it.
Turnip greens.
What in the world is wrong with hog head cheese? That's what I said. If you were to cut me hog head cheese, would you use that? I mean, that's part of the DNA here.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it was something, you know? He's in love, you're saying? Is that what you're telling us? Yeah, he's in love. He popped the question. He proposed, and we had... We had these storms come through, and I'm mindful that a lot of people lost their life. Yes, it was a bad one. So our hearts and prayers go out to them. But that was kind of the backdrop for this.
And there may be, we'll get y'all blind. We'll set y'all up about 150 yards from us. You can't do any damage.
I knew it was just because on my way to, on my way back to Nashville, we drove and every outhouse, penthouse, townhouse, hen house, everywhere I stopped, uh, That was the number one conversation. I've gotten much, much emails. I was like, boy, y'all been listening to the podcast. So they want me to tell it again. I was like, go watch the podcast. You got to watch the episode.
I'm trying to get home.
So, you know, my place got hit by a tornado a year ago, and it's still not. livable we tried it no cole lives there but you know if you're a single guy it's a camp i guess because half of my house is gone and the other half they've kind of you know duct taped and so missy cleaned it all up and uh because the proposal was going to happen there which cole was like you know
Well, we never said anything about when he got down and said, this is the verdict. That's in 19. Yeah, which is big. When he says that, that's... Well, I mean, there's like a courtroom feel to a lot of this where like you're making the case, John's making the case for Jesus.
Well, and he also said that He focused on the positive, for God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. That's 17. I think that's a key thing to remember.
Well, it's just God is not mean. He's not a bully. You know, a lot of people, when they picture God, they're like, well, he's up there, you know, ready to just, just, wham, you know.
Well, right. Right.
But what about these people, though? I'm going to have to give you an argument. Because some would say, look, so there's a phrase used in the Old Testament. Zach, feel free to enter this because I'm not sure I know all this. But when it uses the sons of God, like Genesis 6, the sons of God. Right. I mean, and they use, which they say it's like part of the... Heavenly realm.
Well, the heavenly family. The divine council. Yeah, the divine council. That was the phrase. They read Psalm 82, Psalm 89. So it's like the spiritual family. And one of the verses they use to say, so when is his only son? Or like maybe there's something unique. Mm-hmm. Because they use this Hebrews, this is off the top of my head.
But when you said that, that popped into my brain because I think a lot of the spiritual warfare people say, wait a minute. Hebrews 11, 17, by faith, Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promise was about to sacrifice his one and only son. But Abraham actually had other sons.
But it was his only son was Sarah. And remember, they couldn't have kids. So I was just bringing that out. I'm not sure how to balance that.
Exactly. That's kind of where I was going with it because I think, you know, it's like, well, we believe there's one God. Now, he has three persons, but it's one God. And you think Father, Son, Holy Spirit as unique. So, Zach, what are your thoughts on that?
What is the name of that book?
The Unseen Realm, yeah. I haven't read it, but I've heard people talk about it.
Yeah, I'd probably disagree with him on that, but I think there is something to the... spiritual family, because I believe they're made in the image of God with a special function. Yeah. Just like we were, which I think is one of the main points of the Bible that no one ever talks about, that we're made to be imagers of God. We have a job. Image bearers. We have a function.
Hey, he calls his girlfriend. So you knew this was going down. We knew this was going down. Everybody knew except his girlfriend. It was a surprise. Her family was coming up from parts unknown. And they knew about it? Well, yeah, this was a surprise. Because he had already asked them for... Oh, yeah, everybody knew about this but her.
I mean, look, I'll just give you a crazy illustration. I am so frustrated with today's appliances. You know, I redid my house, and all these appliances I kept having to replace. So when it came to the refrigerator, remember those podcasts maybe a year ago? I mean, this thing, state-of-the-art, industrial refrigerator, has the capability of a camera inside of it.
So you can be at the grocery store and, like, you know, look and see what's in your fridge. I mean... Just splurged. Said, I don't want to ever buy another refrigerator. I'll buy the greatest refrigerator on the planet. So we splurged on it because I kept having to replace them. Well, guess what? It's not in my house right now. You know why?
Because after a few months, it started going beep, like the most annoying noise. sound ever, and you'd have to go in and push the alarm button. Well, finally, I was like, babe, call the repair. It's going off for a reason because every time it would get to 40 degrees, the alarm would go off. Now, there's a reason. So this old boy comes. He looks like Cy, identical.
When he walked in, I thought, hey, and I was going to say Cy, but it wasn't Cy. It was a doppelganger. It was a refrigerator repairman. Can you imagine the size of a refrigerator repairman? And I was like, look, dude, this thing's brand new. Still under warranty. He said, that's the good news. And I said, I don't understand what, it's brand new. And he's like, they want to save the planet.
He said, they're all junk. This was this guy. That's what he'd done. And he worked on them. Yeah. And I said, well, what should I have bought? He said, the cheapest one you can find. The oldest one you could get. Well, the old ones, you know, or they say, destroying the planet. But it hit me in that moment. I thought, I have something that's brand new, and it won't function. It won't do its job.
So you see the spiritual application I'm making here. when you're brand new, at some point you realize, I'm to be an imager. I have a function that God prepared for me to do. That's the difference. So, I mean, I think it's important.
Yeah, it's kind of like you're new to the faith and all of a sudden you read people from the past who were willing to give their life rather than deny the reality of who Jesus is.
I didn't know how this thing was going down, which I realized during the process, my son is way more romantic than... Me or pretty much any guy.
It's a low bar. But then we had to move everything up because the storm. We're looking at the radar, you know. Oh, right, because there's another. Well, the wind was blowing 40, 50 miles an hour during the night. Missy had cleaned the house, the remaining part as well. But when we walked in, my daughter and I flew into Nashville, and long story.
Yeah. And, I mean, to go back to our point, I think the difference in the Son of God is all these other sons of God, if you want to use that phrase. Because it is translated. It's in there a lot.
They were created, and Jesus was the one doing the creating. I mean, you say, well, what about when he became flesh? Well, he became flesh. He's versatile. Exactly. But he is the creator, which is why I think John makes that point when he says, through him, John 1, 3, all things were made, without him nothing was. was made that has been made. But I do think there is a heavenly host.
There, there's another phrase that's there. And I think they had a choice just like we do.
And Missy was already there because the anticipation was just, oh, I mean, this was like. Women love this.
Yeah, I was just making the point that, I mean, when you look at the sons of God and the son of God, I mean, to me, it's like God loves family. He has a celestial family with jobs to do. And he has a human family. Same thing. I mean, we are to image our creator. But that's why there's a lot of obscure passages that we never read. I was just looking back. I was trying to find this.
In 1 Kings 22, this will be, I wouldn't use this as a morning devo, but if you just want to say, huh, there's this weird conversation about these kings trying to consult with prophets to see if God, is in their favor or what to do. And just to give you a thumbnail of it, I was actually talking about this with my assistant on my events. And she was like, that's in the Bible? I was like, yeah.
And it's 1 Kings 22, and this King Jehoshaphat, he was like wanting to get a prophecy, but he's, and I'll just pick it up. in verse 18, but he says, the king of Israel said to Joseph, didn't I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad, which is funny.
They're like, let's see what the Lord's prophet, and he's like, I don't want to get him because every time he tells me something, there's nothing good about me. And then this I'm going to say that, Micaiah. Continue, this is 19. Therefore, hear the word of the Lord. And watch what he says. I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the hosts of heaven.
Here's the heavenly host standing around him on his right and on his left, which Revelation uses the same kind of imagery. And the Lord said, who will entice Ahab into attacking Ahab? So the Lord's like wanting to take Ahab out here. But he's like, it's not like God doesn't know what's going on, but he uses this, if you want to use Zach's word, counsel. for a conversation of these spirits.
And look, one suggested this and another that. So it's like some kind of heavenly conversation, which they have a job to do, we're assuming, with humans and, I guess, from a distance. So finally, a spirit came forward. Now, this is this vision of the heavenly host that this fellow is describing. Stood before the Lord and said, well, I'll entice him.
And by what means, the Lord asked, I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets, he said. And you're thinking right here, what? But watch what he says. You will succeed in enticing him, said the Lord. Go and do it. So the Lord put a lying spirit in the mouths of all those prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.
Yeah, one of my best friends told me before I went, he said, you're going to have to be real mindful of the situation that you're in. I did my best. But the bad thing was... That's a good friend telling you not too much. Just when you think of something funny. Let me see, clean this place up. I go out there, you know, and... We had met somewhere else when I landed.
So basically, the story goes, they go out and say, hey, the Lord said, go down here and you're good. That's what it's probably, but it wasn't true. I mean, there's so many things to, but just the idea that this story comes up is just because we've never seen the heavenly hosts and these sons of God, but we're familiar with angels and
I mean, there's a whole spiritual world out there, especially when you get to books like Ephesians that says, you know, our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but the rulers, the powers, the authority, spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. So it is a thing. But what is unique about Jesus is he is, in essence, God becoming a human.
I don't know.
Oh, I think you're right. I think we've missed an important part of what Jesus' death and resurrection did because we're so atonement-centered. We're like, it's all about the sins. It's all about the fall of man. But it's also about disarming and ultimately defeating sin.
all the celestial powers that have made their decision and are opposed to God and are who, you know, a lot of them have been hurled to the earth and are doing mischief. I mean, and I think this theme comes up. I didn't just bring it up out of the blue.
When he gets to the end to John 3, and he's talking about this light and darkness, and when he was talking about this heavenly versus the earthly, well, who is described as earthly? Well, think about when it says earthly wisdom in James 3, and it says earthly, worldly wisdom. James 3, 15, talking about, watch what it says in verse 14.
Oh, we all went to kind of a little private restaurant thing at some golf place or whatever. And I actually met an excellent human being. He's an NFL football player and a believer. So that was good. And so when we get to our little home, Missy goes in there. opens the first drawer. I'm not sure why she opened the drawer. Just right there in the kitchen.
If you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it, deny the truth. Such wisdom does not come from heaven, but is earthly, unspiritual, and look at that, of the devil. Yeah. Right. So that's why when you get to passages like Colossians 2, and he talks about we've been given fullness in Christ, and he talks about Christ cutting off the sinful nature.
Remember, you know, in verse 12, and he likes it to circumcision, you know, having been raised with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God or the working of God, he raised from the dead. And then it's Talking about sins when it says, when you were dead in your sins, God made you alive. He forgave us all our sins.
It's like he's living in a different society parallel. I was like, crack staff.
But watch this pivot when he says, having canceled the written code with its regulations that was against us. This is Colossians 2.14. He took it away, nailed it to the cross. And then watch this phrase. Having disarmed the powers. And authorities, he made a public spectacle of them triumphing over them by the cross. Well, who's he talking about?
He's talking about all these beings and their powers that have been hurled down to the earth. And even the evil one who is deemed Lord of the dead, the realm of the dead. Which is why you have Hebrews 2.14, which Jesus' work on the cross, remember what it says, destroyed his work, who held all these humans in slavery by their fear of death.
And a mouse about four inches long just jumped straight up in front of her face. That's why I said it felt like an episode. I mean, how does this happen?
Oh, she just lost it. And I think it was all the drama, and now she's face-to-face with the beast, which I thought was kind of funny. It's very funny. But I looked around. Not so much to her. Saw a few droppings here and there. From Missy or the mouse? No, from the mouse. I thought you meant she was really frightened. Remember that time I told you the story on this podcast?
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. At the end of the day, it goes back about God being relational, which is why he is three-dimensional. When you trace that back and say, okay, God wanted to use other beings, he is relational. He creates them in the celestial world and in the human world, and he uses those relationships To help promote his image. That's right.
And so, I mean, that's why Jesus came. That's why he's saying this. He didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it. And this results in God dwelling with other beings in a loving relationship.
Well, what's happened is I eradicated that problem in our storage room. With the two giant buckets of dead rats? I remember that. They just moved over. And now, because everything on my hill is gone. All the woods are gone.
They've all moved. And it's not just that. In fact, well, now the wind's blowing. They got all this temporary roof and, you know, all kind of things to keep the water out of what's remaining. When we try to go to sleep, and, you know, we have a little fan that works as a sound barrier so you can sleep.
When I woke up, because I dozed off, but then I woke up because I was dreaming that I was in a rocket ship coming through the Earth's atmosphere. And then I realized it's the 50-mile-an-hour wind on the house. It was undoable. So I finally eased back to sleep, and then I went Jack Elam where one of my eyes opened because I realized there's something crawling on me.
And it's in a region that you don't want things crawling. Oh, boy. And so I just, you know, and I never, I didn't realize at the time when it was, but I thought I had killed it. And so then I went and tried to get some sleep, but it was pretty miserable. And so the next morning when we got up, which I might have got two or three hours, Missy got less than that. It was a dead beetle.
I was on an adventure. You were? Yeah. It literally was like I was part of a Duck Dynasty episode with no cameras. But I felt that they were there because everything that happened just seemed like a movie. Isn't that something? Yeah. Like some weekend. I think you would only feel that way if you'd been on television.
When I got up, it was just a dead, like a beetle. Yeah. Crawling up my leg.
So we moved. We had a company move. We had a camp out at Reed and Brighton's with the three grandkids. Which actually, based on the night we had had, it was like we were staying in some nice resort. Swanky resort. Once a few kids hollered. So anyway, Cole, he did the proposal out at the farm. He had decorated the porch, you know. And then we met up with the family, which we had never met.
And when she walked in, she pulled up, which she knew when she pulled up because she saw all her family's vehicles. So it wasn't that, like, that surprise was what she wanted.
I felt bad about that because, you know, when you're there, we were presenting and all that. It was like, hey, how you doing? I mean, that was it. It was just, we only had a minute. Oh, she's just a high-quality human being. But when she came in, they had this sign, and I looked at it, I read it. It said, love is in full bloom. I just thought, wow.
It's a phrase that I've never used. I've never used nor seen.
No, I think that was Brighton. Yeah. So look, the backstory. So the C story was Reed had gone to get the cake.
So Reed had gone to get the cake. So Reed's got three kids, three, two, and one. He has the kids. He goes and picks the cake. I mean, gets all the kids out. Because, you know, Brighton's making the home. Is this the B story or the C story? The meeting was at Reed and Brighton's. No, this is the C story. Okay. We have the battle. Okay. At the hill. So that would have been the A story. Oh, yeah.
Then we have the engagement. Well, no, the engagement was the A story. That's the A story. Yeah. And then the C story is Reed going, and he's the errand boy.
This is it.
This is how it happens. Organically.
So Reed goes and gets the cake. You know, you have one job. You go get the cake. But you have three small kids. I see where this is going. Put a camera in there. Put a camera.
I went to a little place called Nashville, Tennessee. Oh, the eastern layer for Jace.
Reed goes in, unloads the kids. He goes in there, gets the cake. Well, he puts the cake in between the two car seats. In between the two kids. So look, he gets back, you know, gets out, no problem. You know, everything's going. So now, They had the cake. They popped the top on the cake, and it looks like Freddy Krueger. has just scraped all the ice. It's just fingerprints.
Well, here's after the investigation and the question of how did you not wonder why our three-year-old had all this icing everywhere? And look, so sneakily that the two-year-old didn't even realize it happened.
It was epic. I was there.
Sneakily. Yeah. Look it up. Look it up. It's a word. It's a great Scrabble word. It's got the K. All seven letters, whatever. So, attach your seven letters to the S. That's a full way.
I took it as a challenge.
Oh, I know. You just lost your turn in a furtive or sly way. Do you want to challenge furtive while we're at it?
I won. Jay's wins. So, uh, yeah. So she had, she had destroyed the cake. So Reed had to go get another cake, like right before the arrival. Now we have drama. There's storms. And so then they get there and, uh, When they walked in, though, it was the line by his fiancée. She said, I'm so happy. I looked around. Every woman's tears were streaming down their faces. I thought it was incredible.
I thought, where are the cameras? I mean, just screaming. When he actually asked her this. No, no. They had already asked. They had their little deal. She just walked in and said, I'm so happy. You know, because it was like all the family. Yeah. And I looked around. I was like, every woman was just pouring tears out. I was just shocked by that. Yeah.
Yeah, and while that happened, the Florida baseball team got swept by a little place called Tennessee. All the Vol fans out there are cheering, Zach. They're cheering now. Anyway, my son, my remaining single son. Oh, that's right. I was hoping to hear this story. Oh, Al. Love is in the air.
And so then they told the story on the storms are raging. He gets down on one knee and proposes. And for five minutes, it. The sky is part of it. The sun. Oh, boy. Literally. They said, this happened.
But then we all kind of gave a few words of wisdom, gathered up, you know, and then got to know the new family. New in-laws. Reed had gotten the new cake in time, you know. It was. Oh, so he did get a new cake. He had to go get a new cake. Yeah. Well, we were actually, when we were pulling up, he was pulling out. There was a car behind me.
So I was like, hey, you know, I'm not going to hold up traffic. He just rolled his window down just standing there because he was angry that his daughter had destroyed it. And I was like, well, why would you put the cake in between the two?
So that's what I did. Love was in the air. Did you cry, Jace?
I mean, I got a little, what do you call it? I was a little like, wow, this is a little tingly, I guess. Because I was like, okay. Because I've asked him before. I was like, you know, so where are we at in this thing?
And he said, we're good. So I thought, well, I tried. Missy's like, talk to him. Make the move. Let's go. I was like, I talked to him. He said, we're good. So anyway, that was fun. Did Mia cry? They were all crying, Al. They all cried. It was incredible.
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Oh, so just just hearing that it took me back to my childhood. I mean, it's like everybody has this traumatic place that you go to. And for me, it's those smells that you're describing, because when growing up with fish guts and hauling stuff off to the river and. smelly cheese they were putting in dad's socks. And just I mean, it was just how much more disgusting could a childhood be?
And so just hearing that, just like I just kind of had post-traumatic stress disorder when it comes to smelly fish and smelly things. So that's that takes me back as well. So if I'm not mistaken, Mia, the last time you were on the podcast, you guys had just completed a Mia Moo yearly gathering where people come in from all over the country.
And these are folks that you guys help and that make possible for them to have some of the blessings that you had, which is an amazing ministry. And so... Tell the folks how that's going. I know it's a yearly thing that you guys do all the time, as well as I think you're doing a newsletter now and just a lot of regular interaction. So give us a little Mia Moo update.
So Mia, you know, our perspective of sort of your childhood and really your whole life, as it turns out, is one kind of being on the outside and, you know, knowing that you're going to the hospital, you know, many times different ones of us in the family were there and we're in the waiting room and kind of handholding with your folks and, you know, just praying for you and stuff like that.
And then seeing you after it was over and So our whole perspective of that is now the era of who you are. But I'm really curious what it was like from your perspective. How many surgeries have you had? I've had 16. So that's like, and you're 21 years old. So that's like 16 out of 21 years, you know, you were in some sort of major surgery. which is most of your life.
And so all of us can't imagine what that was like for you. And so I'm really interested. I don't know if I've ever asked you this off camera on what that was like to grow up, to have doctors and nurses and doctors, Check ups and follow ups and going in for, you know, pre-surgery and all the things that you've done your whole life. So what was that like?
Was it did you something you just got used to or, you know, you know, how how did you get through it? And then also, how has it shaped you into the person you are today?
The minute you said mattress at a camp, I knew exactly where you were going with this.
So, Mia, I've never thought about what you just said before. It struck me as such a huge thought, is that you have spent so much of your life waiting for to be healed. I mean, in other words, you have this procedure and then it's like weeks or months or whatever they're telling you.
And you've got to patiently wait for that to happen, to go back to eat again, to be able to have a conversation again. So most of your life, in essence, has been spent waiting on something, waiting on follow up, waiting on the next surgery, waiting on, you know, I mean, I look at my own life. I've had one major surgery, one when I was a kid, but I don't even remember because I was very,
very young, but only one that I can recall. And I only had, you know, a couple of weeks to get over that. So I, you know, being an impatient person myself, I haven't had to wait that much. I mean, what's that like to, to spend most of your life waiting?
Oh, Mia, that hurts. I mean, I just turned 60 years old and you're talking about 22 being old. That was way in the rearview mirror for me.
Yeah.
Yeah. So Mia, you were talking about that. The idea of is not a major surgery, you know, and that's easy to say when it's somebody else. It reminds me, Zach, when you and I met for the first time, we met Dr. Ben Carson and we were in a setting and he was telling a story about how that the first time he was going in to be the HUD secretary.
Someone said, well, Dr. Carson, I mean, aren't you intimidated by this huge responsibility? And you've got millions of employees and HUD and all this stuff. And he looked at us and he winked, got in. He said, well, it's not brain surgery. And it was such a good line because it was like, are you kidding me? I mean, having to go through this. And Mia, that's what makes me think of with you.
When somebody says, well, it's not something major. And you're just like, yeah, well, you know, neither is waiting six weeks on a cheeseburger. But, you know, at the same time, it's what you learn to go through.
Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.
I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.
I do the same thing. It's not hard for me to understand who the top storyteller is in that house. I mean, Unashamed Nation can speak to this. Mia, there's no doubt your dad has this – unique. We always say it's because he's named after Cy, but he's got this ability to tell any story and to tell it in an elongated fashion where it's the worst possible thing that happened.
And trust me, Mia, you are a chip off the old block. You're the continuation of the Jay stories that have no end, but that we love.
He has reached deep into the archives to bring out what I consider to be one of our favorite and best guests. And that would be Mia Robertson, your daughter, Jay. So, Mia, welcome to Unashamed. So Mia, if I'm not mistaken, you've been on the show once before. Is that right?
So Mia, I got a question for you. You know that your dad, that Zach, that myself, we all have spent different points in our lives doing full-time ministry, working for the church in some fashion. Of course, I was the one that hung in there the longest because I'm the most patient out of us three. But And so we all had to have a background, work for the church and ministry.
And you now have also had that experience. And did you intern? Was it last summer or when was it?
Oh, so you still are. Yeah, I got it. I got it. I got it. So tell me what that's like. What do you do for the church? I mean, what's your interaction? What's your job consist of?
And when you think about it, really, I mean, Mia mentioned this earlier. Every time she had a surgery— in a sense, from a physical perspective, her identity changed because she looked differently. And that would matter to anybody, but in my opinion, it matters more to young girls and young women.
And so the fact that not only did that not derail you, but also helped you to understand to help other people shows me that your identity in Christ is really the main thing. And so Mia, you seem to have learned that over the course of a lifetime, and now you're able to help other people find that identity. So what a blessing. And what a blessing for us that we got to hear these stories today.
Zach, once again, you've outdone yourself bringing on such an amazing guest. And Mia, I just want you to know that anytime you're in town for spring break, for summer breaks, for whatever, you have a warm chair. that is open to you on the Unashamed podcast. We sure are glad to have you on.
Awesome. Well, you're welcome back anytime. That wraps it up for us. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.
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Yeah. So I remember the way that got set up for your last appearance on Unashamed. I was down at my mailbox and you and your mom were driving by and you just had like a major surgery. And we've been praying for you and we've been talking about you a lot on Unashamed. It was like maybe a couple of weeks after Unashamed.
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And so you're in the car and I come over to ask how you're doing and you're there. And so somehow it came up about you being on the podcast at some point to tell us about your experiences. And so I was like, would you like to be on the podcast? And you said, yeah, I'd like to do that. Well, what about tomorrow? Yeah. And I was like, tomorrow? Okay, yeah, sure. You're always welcome.
And so you came on and you were still like, you know, had stuff in your mouth. They were struggling, you know, with all of that. And yet you were precious and amazing. And Unashamed Nation loves you. So welcome back for the second time.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Jace has already previewed that he will need much editing today because he hasn't slept.
And so, hey, we'll take it. So here's my – for those of you out there that are afraid of flying because I fly all the time, and I don't like it either, just being up there. But my last prayer is just before the wheels take off is I commit – mind, soul, body, and spirit to the Almighty. It's yours to take as you will, to leave as you want. I mean, so I'm just doing your will.
If you decide to go out in a blaze of glory, now I'm not as bad as Willie because Willie says that he wants to be the guy that's like Willie Robertson died in a plane crash with four others. He says that he always wants to be the headliner.
But we exceeded that.
I mean, that's what he says.
Well, let me push back.
Terminal. You're gay. Terminal. Yeah. You're gay.
Yeah, we've been having some misses. Something's going on.
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Like hipster? Did they have on the little elf boots? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've seen that one. That's a thing now. I don't know. I don't do that. I got a pair of those. I got a pair of them boots. No, you fit right into this thing I'm talking about. Yeah, because you can sing in the elf boots.
Unless somebody had a video of it.
Oh, okay. Different flight. Oh, yeah, he would have never flown. He would have taken the bus. It's funny, Jay, because somebody who knows this person that was on your flight told me yesterday, so-and-so, whoever the guy is, said, He's a member here. He's on the flight with Jace. I can't wait to hear that story.
Really?
It's been a blur. I love when Jace comes in on two wheels on Monday to record because I never know what's going to happen today.
Well, maybe you and Jimmy need to be a duo.
I said, look. You had me until you put intimately.
There we go. Welcome, Mr. Vice President.
He's a fantastic guy. We've been doing stuff with him for, what, 25 years? Yeah, he's awesome. I think you can say his name. He don't care.
Put that on the mean.
Let's get to the Bible.
Even though Missy says they're not interesting, we love hearing about your travels.
But anyway, let's go. Alright, we're in John 3 is where we left off, and I'm not exactly sure it's been a... Well, I went down a rabbit hole about the... We've been in so many of your rabbit holes, I'm not exactly sure. I know one thing we didn't get to last time was this story about... that Jesus puts in about the lifting up the snake in the desert. The bronze snake.
21.
And we talked about the variant definition of that being born from above, which is an even better description of what happened.
Because you brought in the idea of the Exodus, which I thought the tie-in was what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 10 when he uses the word baptize there. The clouds over them, the water's on each side of them, and he saw it as this symbolic walking through water.
I think you're right.
We had a guy. I didn't even know Jimmy Houston was still around. How old is Jimmy Houston? I hate to say this. I Googled it to see if he was still alive, because it didn't sound right.
Yeah, we really like this. If you're watching the podcast, I'm holding some of this in my hand. It's great. You mix it up. You drink it. One of the things I loved about the descriptions that we talked to these guys is your doctor will notice, right? that something has happened to make you healthier. And that's one of their guarantees, which I love.
Which is why I think he goes to the bronze snake. by the way.
John's disciples are like, what's going on?
They're just wandering around.
That's up in boat territory. Most of the boats in America are made up in northwest Arkansas. I would guess this boat had to have cost $40,000, $50,000.
It's always hard to talk about things during a transitional period, which is what this is, because we're reading the whole story, but we're trying to figure out what they were thinking in the moment of as things were happening.
In the South, we'd say, y'all. I mean, y'all.
Yeah, Zach. I mean, there's certainly been times in my and Lisa's life when debt has so crushed us that not only could we not think about investing, we're trying to figure out how we're just going to go month to month and pay our bills.
Just like when you were flushing the toilets during the hurricane, right?
So you're saying that's the spirit of God. It's the spirit of God.
So since I'm a good guy and you're a bad guy, can you make your rabbit hole point in five minutes? Yes. All right, go for it.
Are we reading Numbers 21 now? No, we're out of time. Snakes on a pole? Snakes on a pole are going to lead the next podcast because of Jason's rabbit hole. Remember, I'm the good guy. He's the bad guy. But it does show you the importance— of John chapter 3 to me in all of our belief system. This is a powerful chapter, which is why we spent a lot of time here. Exactly. It's huge.
It was huge for the moment, and it's huge for us today.
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He was like going play by play. People tell me that all the time when they're on the plane. They're like, oh, I'm so glad you're on here. And it's like, do you think I have some special insight into a sample?
Yeah.
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Which is really just testing their professionalism because I'm sure they're trained to always look calm. You're right. I'm the exact same way. But every time I fly, it's just something I do.
Yeah, it's that one up in Bentonville.
This guy is spot on because of the dynamic of the podcast. You got to have a villain. You got to have a villain.
They start feeling sorry for you, Zach.
We were told that. We were told, if you brought up the Old Testament, it doesn't apply. I mean, how many times have I heard that? It doesn't apply. It doesn't apply. I mean, the whole... It's one... I think you're... It's such a good point. And everybody, by the way, says this. That's kind of the caveat here. Everybody says... from any perspective, well, you need to read the Bible in context.
And they all accuse the other side of not reading it in context. So that can be kind of an interesting conversation. It really is.
Yeah, that's great. That's encouraging, man. Right.
But, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that. I still stand by my position that this is a different event from Mark 13 and Matthew 24. I think I got that right. You sent me about a, you know. Not Mark 13, I mean Mark... 10-page letter about that after we had this discussion earlier.
I'm sorry. Yeah, it's different than Mark's account is what I meant to say. I was confused with all that discourse. But I do think that the point is, though, for me too, Jace, it was...
Seeing how this overlays with this narrative, a grand narrative of Scripture, which we didn't mention in the last podcast, but there's a reason why he quotes the Old Testament so often, even in the part where he's turning over the tables. Yeah. He says, his disciples remember that it was written, zeal for your house will consume me, which is a prophetic word out of one of the Psalms.
And so that's why you can't read this in isolation. You have to read this in more of like a meta-narrative perspective that he's continuing to go back. The New Testament continues to point back to the Old Testament.
You can't understand what is actually happening here if you pull it out of its Old Testament context of a story that has all of these different authors, which is kind of, honestly, for me, That's an evidence for the scripture that this scripture was not dictated by somebody going into a cave and receiving a dictation from God. If that's what it was, how would you ever prove that wrong? You can't.
If I told you guys that I went into a room and the Lord spoke to me and I come out with something and I said, this is what he said, there's no way that you could ever possibly prove that to be wrong. You can't prove it to be right either, and that's the problem. But with the Holy Scriptures, it's multiple authors writing over the course of hundreds of years.
And not only that, that these authors are taking the events they're talking about and they're connecting them in space and in time. That's a dangerous thing to do because if any of these events don't happen, for example, if that temple doesn't come down in AD 70, it kind of destroys Jesus' whole argument. I mean, the whole thing falls with history or stands with history.
And so the reason why the Word of God has prevailed throughout all of time is that it's true. You can't take it down. It's true. Fellas, I just ordered a seven-foot Leland cypress to go against the back part of my house. I'm beginning the border wall. I ordered it from our great friends at Fast Growing Trees. Al, you've got a few trees as well, correct?
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That's the worst when you realize, oh, I'm the problem. Exactly. I hate that.
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Well, one's entering and the other is a full consummation of what's already been begun. That's a good way to put it.
Yeah, like he said, in order to see the kingdom, you have to be born. Well, what if you're not born?
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What was your point? I've always found that explanation interesting. to be lacking in that Nicodemus' whole framework when he hears the phrase born again, he says, how can I, you want to talk about something? He immediately went there. How do I enter my mother's womb and be born a second time, which is kind of a weird imagination that he paints there.
But he's thinking physical birth, and he's thinking, I don't want to get too graphic here, but he's thinking the physicality, the physical impossibility of a full-grown man re-entering his mother's womb and coming out again, that's what he's asking. He's like, that's not possible.
It doesn't make sense.
Yeah, I think if you think about this motif in Scripture that moves from Genesis all the way to our moment that we're in now, There's other water stories. You mentioned the creation account where the Lord split the water. There's also... I think the next one would be the floodwaters. Then there's the waters of Joshua, where the Jordan actually parted as well.
In Joshua 4, verse 23, I want to read this. For the Lord God dried up the Jordan River, because they did the same thing. They got to the Jordan River. Where do we go? It's very similar to the Red Sea. Where do we go? We go through the Jordan. The Lord dried it up before you, and you had crossed over.
The Lord your God did to the Jordan what he had done to the Red Sea when he dried it up before us until we had crossed over. Here's verse 24, and this connects to what you just read in Galatians. He did this so that all the peoples of the earth... Jew and Gentile might know that the hand of the Lord is powerful so that you might always fear the Lord your God.
Now, he's talking in an immediate context. I want everybody or all the nations around to be fearful of Israel. But I think there's also the bigger context of God. This is also echoed. When Jesus crossed into the Jordan and got baptized, it's connected to this moment, to the Jordan River. And so here's where the other part plays in with Noah.
Like the reason why I do think you're right, and I'm not saying that we might have to disagree on what baptism is, but I think it's what the waters represent here. I think Peter gives a good language for this because Noah was saved also through water. If you think about it, God killed, just like he killed all the Egyptians and washed their problems away.
But if you're hung up on the water part, I know we're out of time, but here's what Peter says. It's not the removal of dirt from the flesh. Right. So don't get caught up on the water. You're missing it because you get caught up. Well, exactly. Water doesn't save anybody. You're missing what baptism is.
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Jace, by the way, if you ever need a second string, I will certainly fill in for you if I get your honorarium. So that's a standing offer.
But on the scripture thing, I think it's an important distinction to make between dictating the scripture and inspiring the scripture and, and the Holy Spirit, it doesn't say that he dictated word for word what would be written. In fact, we don't even have access to the original manuscripts of the Bible.
We have copies of copies, you know, we have tons of copies, but we don't have, and then, and then which translation? I mean, if you get, you get into this, this debate on which translation is inspired and whatnot and, It's not the translation that's inspired. It's the word of God that's inspired in the original manuscripts that we don't have access to, but it's the thought.
And so the difference, it's not that God used flawed men and that the scriptures are flawed. The scriptures are not. The scriptures are flawless. They are the inerrant word of God. I mean, they do not have any error. But to read them as dictated from God is to actually misunderstand what it means to have the scriptures. Each man, so you have these accounts of the gospel, for example.
And I heard it said this way one time that it's like if you have two people, two eyewitnesses watching the same exact event and then you they record what they saw. They saw a train wreck or a car wreck and the police comes and he interviews both both people, both witnesses. Those reports may have some differing things that happen, but that's not how you interpret that. You don't read it up.
Well, their stories didn't line up word for word. They're giving what they saw in their own perspective, and the Holy Spirit was working through that to record these events of the gospel, particularly in the gospels, which is where we would find... so-called discrepancies.
Um, but when it comes to like true, meaningful, like, like content in the gospels, there really is no real ultimate variation of discrepancies. There may be some things that you read in here. Well, he says it this way.
They were there. I saw them out of my periphery. But the one on the very end said, excuse me, sir. Of course, I've already made the covenant. So I looked her right in the eyes. And she said, that was the most beautiful message I have ever heard. I said, well, it was from the Lord. And I kept walking. But I just thought, what a thing. Yeah, it impacted her.
Yeah. So anyway, I thought I'd share that. We talk about spiritual warfare and what do you do, and I just think that's how God uses us as ambassadors.
And look, I'm not throwing them under the bus. I get it. They're raising money. And look, the best way to raise a bunch of money is get people drunk and— You don't give them something – At least loose, you know. To look at that's, you know, loosening your wallet, and they do good with it.
Look at Zach trying to segue it back to our day. I mean, you know, my assistant, which is my wife's aunt, said, you know, I was wondering – how you were fixed to handle that. And she's like, I was so nervous. And cause she had already said, she said, look, I get it. This is a good cause and all. She said, but to tell you the truth, if I came here with my husband,
and saw those women, I'd tell my husband, we're out of here. I'm not sitting here and letting you look at women who look way better than me all night. So I'm saying the vibe was, I'm not embellishing it. Like, she was uncomfortable. Yeah, right. But she just, she said, I think the Lord spoke through you. Because, I mean, I didn't have any notes or anything. I just had my phone. I grabbed my Bible.
I had my phone because I didn't want to go over 20 minutes. Right. which is very difficult to do. But it wasn't in that case. I thought, you know what, you may have 10, 15 minutes here just to plant a seed.
You just had a meeting with the elders. You just had a meeting, and I just said, we're good, we're good.
Well, it's been a while since I've been at one of those. And I can blame Will. I was like, hey, because I told Willie about it. And he was like, what? Are you serious? So he didn't really know. And he's like, well, maybe God just worked it out. Because I said, well, I would have loved to have known what you would have done. Yeah. He said, I probably would have got past.
I wouldn't have got past the first two failed jokes. And I'd have tried a couple and said, all right. He'd have gotten into some of his stuff. And who knows where that would have led. But I will say at the end, when I got to the duck calls and all, they were listening. They were participating. They were laughing. They were having fun.
I'm doing something that most humans can't do, and I'm not saying – I mean, try blowing a world championship-style duck call. Good luck. If you don't know what that is, Google it. But it will get people's attention. If you can string out a note, highball 50 notes without missing a note, well, people, they don't even know what that is, but they're like, wow, what was that? It is something.
I have no affiliation whatsoever, but that's by design because that way when they ask me to preach... I have no problem in whatever I'm fixing to say.
And I'm grateful now. It was an adrenaline rush after it was over because I thought, I believe this is spiritual warfare. Sometimes you go to the party and share Jesus.
And in a nonjudgmental way. Like I said, I kind of support what they do. I just thought, well, how do we get here?
Did they come up with a third temple?
Well, they probably won't let you preach because you can't preach under 40 minutes. So how long are your sermons there? I mean, I go about 30, 35. 30 to 40 minutes, yeah. Yeah. But now look, I just did an event where I went 20 minutes. 20 minutes? Oh, it was a... Here's what happened. Jace, I can't clear my throat in 20 minutes.
Go ahead and say them. You're wanting to say.
What if I knew the word he's thinking? Can we play a game here? We need some fun music. Okay. I'm thinking that you want to say the word dispensationalism. That's one of them, yeah.
See, here's what you don't realize the difference in me and you, Zach, because we get to the same place. Yeah. We just do it differently. But what you got to remember is I love crickets. Mm. Because it takes me back to my happy place, which is the wilderness and the wild. And so when I'm out listening to crickets, I'm in my happy place.
Well, look, you've got sacrifice there. You've got God's design. Because, I mean, who could come up with that? What does Phil always say? What part of seawater got the crickets to sing with their legs?
Look, I don't mind you using them, but I feel like you need to define it.
I got to navigate this story carefully because I don't want to offend anybody.
Shall we read it? Yeah. Where it says in John 2, 18, the Jews, because he had just driven out the...
And I'm going to break the rule because Missy's like, don't tell people about events. However, when I told her about this event, she's like, you need to tell that on the podcast. So she, here's what happened.
But he drove them out of the physical temple. Correct. So then, watch how this evolves. Then the Jews demanded, well, what miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this? Because... When he did that, this is where God and humans meet in their system. Right. And now some human is saying, get out of here. Don't turn. What's the quote he used? My father's house.
Well, and now he's. He's referring to himself as the son of the God that you're meeting.
So there's your review. So Jesus then answered him, destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days. The Jews go back to their temple, saying it's taken us 46 years to build the temple. You're going to raise it in three days? but the temple he had spoken of was his body after he was raised from the dead. Now, John interjects here.
That's why we're spending so much time on this, because then he's now is going future, saying the disciples didn't even get this until they recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
Now, I think this needs to be addressed. And I've actually thought about this a lot, not that I've studied it so much, but I thought, why is this so hard to understand? And even just like Zach clearly laid out, a lot of people, there's a lot of confusion about this. Right.
And I've heard people at churches I meet with, they'll make some comment like, you know, at some point we're all going to wind up in Israel, you know, with the temple. Right. Wait a minute, because I'll think of verses like Ephesians 2 and verse... 19. Does it say Temple in 19? We grow up into a... Yeah, yeah, no, 21, 21.
In him, the whole building... Now, he's talking about members of God's household. Right. In him, the whole building is joined together and rises... to become a holy temple in the Lord, and you two are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by His Spirit.
I'm just saying. So here's what happened. She didn't listen. She don't care. Well, she heard this story, and she was on the edge of her seat, so I'll give you an edge-of-the-seat story. Here's what happened. This is interesting. So my brother Willie called me one night and said, Hey, bro. Al, in your relationship with Willie, has he ever started a conversation with, hey, bro?
Well, because you're like, well, I thought Jesus was the temple. Well, yeah, he said he was. And when he died, buried and raised. But it's the same Jesus that sent his spirit when he was ascended, that then those who surrender to him receive that spirit and you become the temple of God because you have his spirit in him. I think that's just blatantly clear.
So that's why we pause when somebody says, well, yeah, but we still need to build a physical structure over in Israel. So after thinking about that, I thought, why is this so confusing? And here's my take. Y'all can disagree with me or not, but I wanted to have this conversation. I think because prophecy was scripted to keep the powers that God created
through Jesus, would ultimately defeat on the cross and the resurrection. There's plenty of verses about that. Think Colossians 2, what is that, 13? Or even Hebrews 2, you know, by his death, he would destroy him who had the power of death. Think, is it 1 Corinthians 2, 7 or 2 Corinthians 2, 7, where it says, none of the rulers...
of the age understood Jesus having to die, because if they would have, they would not have crucified the Lord, is it? Yes, 2, 7, and 8. 1 Corinthians 2? Yep. 1 Corinthians 2, 7, and 8. And by the way, if you look at the Greek on that word rulers, you also see that all through Ephesians when it's talking about the supernatural forces. So that's why...
When you start looking at, well, didn't they understand the Old Testament? Well, not even the disciples. They didn't even get it.
Yeah. I heard a sermon from a scholar one time say that only twice in the New Testament did— the writers link the Messiah dying with Jesus being the fulfillment of it based on Old Testament. And they had two references. I think one of them was Psalm 2, and the other one was like, off the top of my head, I can't believe I remember that. I think Psalm 89.
But one of them is in Acts 4 where he quotes Jesus. basically Psalm 2. And so you say, why is that significant? Because when you think of Isaiah 53, and you think, well, how did they miss that? Because it's... It's pretty clear. What is it called? A suffering servant? Well, it never uses the word Messiah then there. Right.
Me either. Usually it's just like dad's conversation. It's just mid-sentence.
So they're not linking this up, and I think it's on purpose by God is my point. Right. And I wanted to give you all an example. Now, look, I could be wrong on this, so y'all can correct me. But what I'm saying is, based on 1 Corinthians 2, 7, if the whole evil supernatural world knew that they're doomed if Jesus dies, they would not have killed him.
And so it's obvious based on the disciples' response here, they're not getting this either, that Jesus had to die. Remember when Peter said, oh, no, that's never going to happen.
What that means to me is he's about to ask you to do something. That is exactly what I concluded. So for the first time in my life, I was speechless because I thought –
Okay, so I want to read you and show you something. And this is, I know this is a little deep, but this is why I think people get confused. And we have so many different beliefs. And I'm going to show you an example. Because I think people, religious leaders... They'll take a prophecy in the Old Testament, and they'll take it literally. Right. And I want to show you an example.
Like I said, I could be wrong. I mean, somebody smarter than me may show you what I'm fixed to show you, and you say, oh, you're crazy, Jay. So, okay. But I just think this is interesting. All right, so I'm going to read Acts 15. And... So now we're post-Jesus death, burial, and resurrection, and they're going around preaching. And watch what happens here. I'm just going to read this story.
This is Acts 15, verse 12. The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God did among them. among the Gentiles through them. When they finished, now here's James. Watch what James does. He spoke up and he says, brothers, listen to me.
Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this. So he's going to quote a prophet, and this happens to be Amos, and we're going to turn to Amos and read what he said.
But I'm going to submit to you that he actually takes Amos' prophecy and I don't want to say makes it his own, but he is under the guide of the Holy Spirit. And Luke writing this, I can't even find Amos. Amos Obadiah. Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Amos Obadiah. You've got to have seen the Psalms. Is it after? Yeah. Obadiah. Yeah, here we go.
I think you're going to find this fascinating because what are we talking about here? What is the issue? The issue is from Acts 10 on, it was that the Gentiles could be saved. Well, people are like, I don't know about that. You know, we're... They're not from Israel, and they're having trouble with this. But now the temple's Jesus, and he's welcoming everybody. That's what they're proclaiming.
So he quotes Amos. So I'm going to read this. It says in verse 15, the words of the prophets are in agreement with this. With what? That these Gentiles can come to Jesus also. So watch what he says. Verse 16, after this, I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent.
What does he fix to say? Hey, bro, I had my team. He started talking about his team. Because we all have teams. Is there a Team Willie now? There's a Team Willie has done something kind of crazy. I've got two events scheduled for the same time. Uh-oh. A double booking. One of them is in Texas, and it's a thing that I agreed to do. They...
Well, that seems interesting because I thought this had to do with Israel, which in some versions say temple, but actually David didn't even build the temple. So I think the point is Jesus would come in the line of the house of David. Correct. All right. It's ruins I will rebuild and I will restore it. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord. Now watch this.
And all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord who does these things, that have been known for the ages. So there's a little letter behind that, and it says Amos 9, 11, and 12. Now you would think if you turn over to Amos 9, 11, and 12, you're going to see exactly what he said. Oh, no. No. You turn it over, Amos 9, 11, and 12. Let's read what Amos said.
In that day, I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be. Now, I'm going to stop right here. There's a heading over verse 11 in my Bible. You know what it says? Israel's restoration. So what are you thinking if you look at a heading that says Israel's restoration and read that first verse in 11? It would only be Israel.
It would only be Israel. So then it says, verse 12, so that they may possess the remnant of Edom. Well, wait a minute. You turn back over here to when James quoted this. It doesn't say Edom. In verse 17 of Acts 15, it says the remnant of men, mankind. Now, look, I went down the rabbit hole here, and I'm not going to take up too much of your time. But James changed that word.
If you look at the Hebrew-Greek correspondent, look, he changed that. Edom to Adam. And so then it was translated here, mankind instead of Edom. Why would he do that? You see what I mean? Mm-hmm.
Well, he did it because he was under the influence of the Spirit, and he realized the fulfillment of this was going to be for all mankind, even though Amos said it was going to be for Edom, which was hooked up with Esau.
You know, they kind of highlight the outdoors and getting kids out in the outdoors. So it's a good event. But he said the other event involves me telling my wife, Corey, that I would go to England. And so you see the problem, and I'm like, yeah. Well, yeah, you can't be at two places at one time. He said, exactly. But he's talking real. He's talking real unwillingly.
Well, it's not that they were born just in Israel. Like you said, DNA. I mean, like... What's the better word for that? Like your nationality. Right. It would matter how you were physically born into something.
Great. So look, we were agreeing. I was just saying there's DNA within the DNA. We all have God's DNA. God wants everyone. You go back to John 1, 12, and we're back in the same place. But I want to finish reading Amos' account just because I'm saying this is why this is so confusing. Yeah.
Because if you read this, didn't go to Acts 15 and say, oh, wait, he actually amended that prophecy into the fulfillment of Jesus, literally saying Jesus is the temple. If you go back and read the whole sermon of Acts 15, what are they doing? They're out there proclaiming Jesus is here.
Exactly. But the fact that he changed – nobody's getting up saying, well, James got it wrong. No. He changed the words around. Like if you got up and preached a sermon and you changed the words around, they would say, false teacher. That is not what it says. Yeah. And look, I know a lot of you may not go down the rabbit hole.
He literally changed the word of what Amos said and made it apply to all mankind. Now, I'll show you where he got that. He did imply, there is a Gentile reference in verse 12 of Amos 9. He says, so that they may possess the remnant of Edom, which he changed that into mankind, but then it says, and all the nations. Well, there's the Gentile reference in Amos 9. It is there. That bear my name.
Well, what name you think that was talking about?
I mean, it's all about the name of Jesus in the book of Acts.
Declares the Lord and who will do these things. But I wanted to continue reading because people who read Amos 9, looking at this, as you called the dispensational view, and let's go build a physical temple in Israel based on Amos 9, they'll also go to John 2 and with the water and the wine and they'll see this temple thing. I'm not sure what their argument, what that is.
And this event out in Texas, they've really done a lot of advertising, and it's a week away here. Yeah. What you got going on? That's kind of how it went.
It seems pretty clear to me that Jesus said he's the temple. But however they make that argument, look, it... Amos starts talking about wine, new wine here in verse 13. The days are coming, declares the Lord, when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountain. and flow from all the hills.
I will bring back my exile people Israel. They will rebuild the ruined cities, and I will live in them. So they're saying, see, there's got to be a third temple. It's got to be rebuilt. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine. They will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them, says the Lord your God.
That's how Amos ends. So my point is, don't you see how that could be misinterpreted when you don't look at the fulfillment in Jesus? And I think it gives you a clue of how we should not take all these prophecies literally. Because what James did in Acts 15, you're going to have to deal with that before we continue the discussion.
That was their mode. And now they're missing out that Jesus was going to be a king, but not the king in the way they thought. That's right. Not of everyone.
Trust me, I saw provocative a couple nights ago, so this is not going to be... I won't be wearing any... I'm not going to dress provocatively.
I don't think that's provocative at all. I think that's just common sense. You know what I come by, Zach?
Well, he blamed the team, and what I told him was, I said, you know, Willie, when the team does not perform, you know what they do in the real world? They fire the coach. That's right. Exactly. He was just quiet because I had him over a barrel there. And so I agreed to do it because even though I had an event last weekend and this weekend, I don't normally schedule one in between.
So I'm like, well, here we go. You sound like Al now. On my day off, let me go run out here to Texas and do this. And I know you listening, there's a lot to do. Getting your team now, getting everything lined out. And look, I'm not Willie. And so they kept saying, well, Willie said, well, I was like, Willie's gone. If you want me. Whatever you negotiated prior to this. It's a total reorganization.
Team J is a completely different entity, I guess. So anyway, so we settle. I go out there and – I thought it was just kind of a private, because I saw the word private in the notes. I thought it was just a little, the group, the board or whatever who does this. Because let's face it, none of us really know what Willie does.
Well, and he didn't either. He didn't know a whole lot about this. So anyway, when I got my... We had a little pre-meeting for it. We went out there, but it was at this huge arena. And I thought, why are they having this at a huge arena if there's only going to be a few people here? I don't know why I thought there was only going to be a few people.
I'm not sure where I got that, but it was a misunderstanding. Just because it says private doesn't mean small. Exactly. I think that's where I messed up. I got you. I got you. So when I got my Bible out in my duck calls, he was saying, here's what's going to happen. We're going to go out there, and we have a video from Willie that's basically saying, you know, sorry. I'm in London.
I was like, I doubt he's going to say he's sorry. Yeah. I was like, he's probably just going to say, hey, I sent one of my lackeys to fill in because I'm across the pond, which I was right. There were no apologies. No, no, no. He said, I sent my number two. Well, actually, my number three. He said, size ahead of days. Which is a good line. Yeah, he did a little video.
I do think for sound purposes, if you think you hear in the background... some kind of supernatural force or just a cry, a distress call.
He said, after that, we'll introduce you. He's like, you got 20 minutes because this is a fundraiser. It's an auction. and we're going to raise tons of money, and so don't take up our time. I mean, that was kind of what he said. Well, when I got my Bible out, and he's like, now, I don't know if you know, there's been an open bar for two hours.
He saw that Bible, and he started talking about open bar. And I thought, why is he feeling like – so then I kind of figured it out. They're doing a project that I like. I mean, you're celebrating the outdoors. You're getting kids to experience nature, and I think they help trouble kids and get them out in the outdoors and do hikes and whatever. So I was like, okay.
And I saw why they asked us because, I mean, my whole conversion was – I saw my parents come to the Lord, which this was part of my speech. And my dad, in an effort to become a better father and husband, he starts taking us hunting. And so the creation led me to the Creator. So I said that to him. Because when he saw my Bible, I felt like there was a little anxiety.
And I didn't know why until I walked out into the arena. Then I went, oh. I get it. So I told him, I said, well, you got to remember, I... Loved the creation. I said, but it led me to the creator. I said, I think I need to share that. He just looked at me. No comment. I was making him nervous. I was making him real nervous.
So when I walked out there, it was 1,500 people, and it was all these booths, and it was like a city. And to say that it was a distraction is an understatement.
Kasai seems to be on one.
There was so much going on with all these booths. And the first thing I noticed was a large group of women who were the hosts, which they had different sections. And I thought, I mean, I immediately looked away because my assistant was there. And she said, don't look back. Because I thought, wow. They're scantily dressed, and then there's this.
You can't help but notice, but then you dismiss. So I literally Jeremiah style. Wasn't it Jeremiah that said, I made a covenant with my eyes? That's Job. Job, yeah. Job 31. Job 31. So I made a covenant since I was the speaker and fixed to talk about the Bible. I said, I am looking from the neck up the rest of the night.
All he could see was their eyes and their ankles. You were seeing a lot more. So I thought, here we go. Open bar, scantily clad women. They're raising money. And what am I fixed to say? And I got 20 minutes. So we watched the video. Look, when I got up, no one, it was not quiet. You know how usually when you get up, it was a buzz, people moving, boosts. So I made a few jokes about Willie's video.
No one laughed. Zero. And I felt like, that I was just a part of something going on. Of the noise. Yeah. And I thought, you're talking about tough crap. Very intimidating. I told Missy at 35, I would not have, I'd have been nervous. But at 55? 55, I made a couple jokes. That didn't work. So I just reached over and grabbed my Bible. There we go. I said, well, I brought my Bible. I kid you not.
The Phil class. The Phil class.
It became as quiet as a church mouse in three seconds. Just, and I thought, no. I gave a withering seven or eight minutes out of love. I spoke the truth about my family, our relationship with the Lord, the Bible, the purpose of life, the questions that humans have. And I kind of wove that through our journey
And so now I had their attention, and then I kind of went to the Duck Dynasty angle, which is why they even called us, because people watched. And I explained that. I was like, that was God's project, and he used us as a platform to now share what we're really about, which we're disciples of Jesus. And then I went through the top qualities of why we follow Jesus. He's innocent.
I did it the first month there.
He invites everyone. He's indestructible. There's a way to experience the... actual creation forever. I told the fishing story in John 20. Here's Jesus. He was dead, and now he's fishing in the outdoors. We're eating fish on the bank. But this guy was dead, and now he's alive. So as soon as I said, I looked down because I had my phone because they said 20 minutes. As soon as it hit 20 minutes,
I was at the end, and I was like, thanks for having me. About 30 people right in front of me jumped up standing up, and I literally thought, I know those people are following Jesus. And then it was a one minute because people started getting up. But I'm being honest. I think it was more about, oh, are we standing up and clapping? You know what I mean? Something just happened.
It was a one minute slow developing moment. Standing O. And I said, well, my dad will appreciate that because when I go back and see him, remember when he used to always say, did they give you a standing O? Yep. And so then I auctioned off because Willie sent, I called it a guilt offering, which now they were familiar with the Bible. They knew what that meant.
They sent a little display, the little wooden box with the four duck calls on it. That thing went for 15 grand. And the guy who got it, they got a picture with me, him and his wife, with the duck calls. But when he come up on stage, he just burst into tears. And his wife, and I could tell he had had a few adult beverages. She said, why are you crying, honey? And he said, I don't know.
And I thought, oh, I know. Been convicted by the Holy Spirit, but I didn't say that. But we took a picture. And then when I stepped down, they had the hostess women flanking the stage while I was speaking. But let me just think about distractions. Are you going to look at this bearded guy? Are you going to look at the sketch?
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You're just very real and transparent about, you know, where you've been, where you are and where you're hoped to head.
Thank you, Shelly.
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In America? Yeah, it's the kingdom of cheese. I mean, they wear cheese on their head.
Well, I haven't mentioned the book, but it's called How to Tell the Truth. And for those of you watching, I've got a copy of it here in my hands. And what Jace just talked about, Preston, was learning from the master, was the chapter in the book when you talked about what he just said, is that you learned a lot of your skill set to talk to people from what Jesus did. Yeah.
Just in talking to folks, right? So talk a little bit about that. You know, people struggle. I have so many on our podcast that say, I want to be able to share my faith more openly, more clearly, but I'm not sure how to do that. And you said in here in your book that some people's personality lends itself to that. But we all kind of have...
I agree. And they are in America.
Yeah.
Yes, we are. I use their product.
You said that the success doesn't always end in the sinner's prayer. And I love that picture because you said that the planting of the seed may be the important moment of that conversation that you're having. This may come to fruition much later down the road, which is, again, a very biblical concept. So you're not sure where your role is in this process.
Man, that's so good. And I want to, so I was drawn in immediately into the book, Preston, because just you are a gifted wordsmith. I mean, God's given you something. You said in the beginning you were a poet in the book. And so, and then I started reading, I said, oh, this guy is a poet.
But I want to read a little excerpt that just, it resonated so strongly with me because I grew up in South Arkansas. You grew up in South Chicago. Yeah. And yet so much of what you were relating to your own life, your cousins, your grandmother having that spiritual influence, that aunt that stepped into your life when you needed her. That was my aunt, which happened to be Zach's mom as well.
But there were so many things that resonated in my life. But I want to read this for the audience just to let you know how well this book is written. It says, this is in the very beginning in your open. It says, The Streets of Our Neighborhood. were crowded with different shades of brown boy bodies, but hearts all the same shade of courage.
When dust finally grew legs and chased us home, we would head inside to bathe in our grandmother's smile. Her home was a shower and sanctuary of its own. We watched her become a choir, preparing dinner for her 13 grandsons. We didn't know how privileged we were to sit inside her songs before bed, to grow up planted in her rich soil.
We didn't know then how her prayers preserved us for the next day. When evil was walking the streets of our hood, hot with violence, seeking to decompose our melanin. I mean, it was just, you paint such an amazing picture. It was my childhood, too, you know, in a completely different part of the country with a completely different set of circumstances.
But I felt every bit of that, you know, when you wrote it down. So I just I had to read that because it just it drew me into the book so quickly. It was like, man, I got to I got to hear what this guy has to say.
This is such a powerful apologetic, and it still is to this day. Our good friend Todd Nettleton, who is the Voice of the Martyrs radio host, continues to show us through his travels and his work with Voice of the Martyrs just how much that these things still inspire us today because persecution hasn't ended around the world.
We got it pretty good here in America, but there are places where people are still giving their lives who are persecuted in terrible ways. He's written a book. If you're watching, I've got it here in my hands. It's called When Faith is Forbidden. 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians.
just so he'd have an opportunity to share with others. So there's a lot of stories like this. Every stop on the journey is going to challenge you to reflect your own walk with Christ. It certainly has for me. Request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden by calling 844-463-4059. That's 844-463-4059. Or visit vom.org slash unashamed. That's vom.org slash unashamed.
Oh, and we have... We got hats.
Natural American.
But it's real cheese.
That's beautiful. Yeah. So we're out of time. Man, that seemed to go by really fast, Preston. But in the book, you called it an unlikely evangelist and an accidental apologist. I would add in an unwilling pastor and you have our podcast. And we're cut from the same cloth. And I think that cloth is taken from the towel. of the Son of God that washes the feet of other people to try to serve them.
And that's the beauty of what you're doing. The book is called How to Tell the Truth. And I'm telling you, Unashamed Nation, you're always talking about, how can I figure out a way to share better? This book will help you do that.
It just... Well, it gets moldy. Well, it gets moldy, but you cut the mold off, it's still good. Oh, you keep going.
So when you come, you will harvest multiple things from the creation to enjoy. Okay. Yeah, and then we'll put them on the table. And then we'll cook them and eat them too, which is awesome.
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I'll send it to you where you can find it.
Oh, that's right. Y'all are both on the dot.
All right, so we're going to work this out where we actually have an actual taste test.
This looks better. So we're going to try. We're going to try. We're going to check it out. All right. So we're going to take a break. We have a guest that has nothing to do with cheese. coming up that I am super excited about. You will love to hear his story. It's going to be fantastic. So we'll tell you about him when we come back from the break. Jace, I got a question for you. Yeah.
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Please dial pound 250, say the keyword baby. That's pound 250, keyword baby. Or visit preborn.com slash unashamed. That's preborn.com slash unashamed. Welcome back to Unashamed. We are super excited about our next guest. I have not met you, Preston, but I have read your latest book, and you are one of our people. There's no doubt about it.
A believer, a faithful follower in Christ who loves to tell people about Jesus. So, Preston Perry, welcome to Unashamed.
Absolutely. And Preston, you met Zach, and Zach told me y'all met in Angola. And I was like, wait, what were y'all doing in Angola? So he had to tell me what y'all were doing there. Angola, the prison? The prison, the Louisiana, our big prison, as they call it. So what were you doing, Zach? What were y'all doing in Angola when you met Preston?
This was pre-PhD.
Yeah. Yeah, I was there a few years ago with Dad, and I've said this before on the podcast. He had one of the greatest opening lines ever. He said, just because you're under lock and key does not mean that you can't be set free. And that was his opening line. He went to Galatians 3 about the whole world's a prisoner of sin. And it was just a powerful thing.
And, you know, someone told me just this last week, Preston, that they had piped in dad's message into even death row, which, you know, Angola is our death row prison. And I think there, I don't know how many death row prisoners there are, but it went, the message went into there and we had heard back that at least five people had given their lives to Christ. after that message.
Yeah, American cheese.
And the guy that was telling me this said he had just been notified this week because we hadn't had any executions in the state of Louisiana in a long time. But one of those five is slated for execution soon. It just happened. But now we know that he's committed follower of Christ, even in this situation. So it just reminded me of the parable about the kingdom, the guys that get in the last hour,
You know, they're still in, which is the beauty of that, you know.
And I concurred with Jace because I'm a cheddar man.
Well, and I think that, Preston, it seems like to me, just from looking at some of your stuff, and I want to get to your new book here in just a minute, because it was so good. I read the whole thing yesterday. It was so... Oh. I mean, one setting, I read the whole thing. But what I love about it is you and your wife...
like us, have found that just transparency and being real about your past, about who you are, about what Christ has done in your life, is just a complete door opener for people. I mean, it just, you know, and that's what we figured out. We figured out that, you know, a lot of people in Christianity, unfortunately, are trying to
take everything that's ever, you know, not been the best representation of themselves and like lock that away in a closet somewhere and just had this look like we're all great and everything's perfect. And you're like, that doesn't really connect to people very easily. And so I just felt like that's the reason we have such a connection. You guys, you've done the same thing we do.
you go through the book of Ephesians, he brings up the kingdom in chapter 5, and just kind of apply this to marriage, because then in John 3, he's going to talk about being born again to see and enter the kingdom. So then he says, but among you, there are not... This is 5...
Three, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality or of any kind of impurity or of greed because these are improper for God's holy people, nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
For this you can be sure no immoral, impure, greedy person, such a man as an idolater, has any inheritance, well, looky there, in the kingdom of Christ. And of God. Well, if you just apply that to your marriage, now he's talking big picture, us married to Christ through all of Ephesians. That's why when he gets to Ephesians 5, he lays down this foundation that Jesus, you both have an opportunity.
to play the role of Jesus in your roles. But then he unveils the mystery of what he's talking about all along. And it gets back to this, you both have the Spirit of God, you're married to Christ.
I just think it's fascinating that you see all these theme lines and the whole point of what I'm saying is your marriage in Christ and then you being married with another person should reflect the image of God.
So we went off the rails. We did.
No, I said he's showing tendencies of that with all the hats and different things.
Yeah, and that's exactly the way I feel. Well, I've been married 34, and I think all this conversation takes me back to the garden. And you see, you know, God is the architect of marriage and being real specific about of, you know, it's like when President Trump signed this executive order declaring two genders. And I guess this hit me. I think I had Fox News up and it was like breaking news.
The president has declared the United States male and female. And I looked at my wife and I said, that news broke thousands of years ago.
And I, I think I know why. I mean, God is eternal. Uh, And he knew that there's always going to be resistance, especially in the spiritual forces of evil, which is why I think your demon podcast did well. Well, because people know that it's out there. I mean, all you got to do is declare Jesus as Lord. And I listened to...
a couple of your podcasts just in prep of this and i thought oh there's going to be resistance because you're out loud and on purpose for jesus like we are but there's also resistance in marriage and it makes it makes me go back to that genesis 2 and 3 scene where you really see because we tend to have the hollywood view of oh i came to christ so now everything's going to be fantastic
You know, until a couple days later when you face resistance and it becomes a process and a struggle that helps you grow and mature in Christ. But it's going to continue to happen. And the same thing happens in marriage. And then you see both of these things happening in the garden. where you're like, where was the breakdown here?
Because here's Eve having a toxic conversation with a demonic presence, the evil one. Because I'm like, well, where's Adam in all this? Why is he? Well, he's over there silent. Yeah, just why didn't you step up? And then the famous line when it's like, did God really say from the evil one?
which is always going to be the question that we have to ask ourselves in marriage and in our walk with Christ. And that's where I really see these two things combining that you're hitting on. I mean, it is a daily walk as we mature and grow in our relationship and our marriage, and we all have those conflictual stories. You know, my background, they've shared theirs. No, we were different.
We were virgins when we got married. We basically had a Jesus-centered,
dating relationship and I tell people that because I use it to tell young people that God's way is always the best way because I wish I'd had somebody tell me it's okay not to have sex with a woman until you get married because all my friends were ridiculing me about that I mean it was just completely horrible but so I try to give young people you know encouragement of that but having said that so you would think oh it's all going to be rainbows and
Oh, no. I mean, all of a sudden, I go out the first year of our marriage and share Jesus with everybody that I know. And you think, well, what could happen? Well, I just left her. I mean, our first year was terrible as far as our marriage. Because she was like, boy, you're really on fire for the Lord. But I'm getting... The worst of you when you come back and you're tired.
So it was a terrible way to start our marriage. At some point, we realized we're going to have to do this together. And so you work it out through the 34 years. But I was just going to get your take on how those two things go together in that there's always a struggle in your walk with the Lord and in your marriage.
I actually own shares of Oracle. I bought this company years ago in my portfolio. And like a lot of companies, they have a lot of companies within the companies. And one of them happens to be NetSuite.
Waiting on a ride and a preacher. To get to my wedding.
I will confess that I said the only memory I have of my state of mind was I looked at the situation and thought, I'll give this about a year. You'll give the wedding about, you'll give the marriage about a year. Well, I mean.
He does. That's exactly what I was thinking of when I said that. They both are given to tangents. And so it's like they're on something.
What are we doing here?
It wasn't tuxedos at my wedding. Let me clarify that. I did have a suit on. And I was clean-shaven.
It was kind of a, you know, bring sacrifices to the altar before we get started.
so if i'm not mistaken so i did the like opening part and then he did the part like the vows and all that is that right i think that's the way i don't remember but you know something like that isn't that something how you have trouble who did your wedding ray melton oh that was made me feel better yeah because he was more in line with kind of how my family functioned
Well, that's what we did. We had the high-end wedding, but we had the preacher who was kind of a country guy from west Texas. And I thought he did a good job. It was real. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, basically, you don't really listen. Do you remember the wedding?
I mean, I just remember it was real practical and down to earth. But, you know, I was basically staring at my wife thinking. I do think when you're a virgin and you get married, it's a different dynamic because – What's fixing to happen is at the forefront of your mind. I'm just being completely honest here.
So now I was looking at her in a way of like. Yeah.
Well, it wasn't even that. It's not y'all are going typical male. It wasn't that. It was just like.
No, it's like something you fought the whole time you're dating. Yeah, now we're at the moment. I literally have already signed the papers before I got up here. And so I thought, technically, she is my wife. It just was a weird—that was my number one thought, is I thought, man, this woman is mine. And now I don't have that struggle.
It's okay. Sometimes in life, you're in a room and a conversation comes up and you're like, what are they talking about? And everyone else knows the facts except the person. So it's.
I mean, my dad, in the spirit of him, one of his favorite verses, which I actually— Had trouble finding him.
Yeah, you were there. My dad got up and he said... If you marry, you have not sinned. This is 1 Corinthians 7, 28. And imagine dad to hear this and like dad doing it.
And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Of course, because now it's gotten awkward because everybody's thinking. What is he doing? Yeah. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life. And I want to spare you this.
The more I thought about it is, and we'll talk about this with our guests, but marriage is, I had no idea. What this was, what was fixed to happen.
And, you know, I thought, of course, when you're 21, you think you know everything anyway. And you know nothing. You just, there's no, I mean, we did premarital counseling, which I've shared that story before, which they basically, when we did our, what do you call that? Compatibility test.
Well, the conclusion of our compatibility test was don't get married. You're incompatible. Yeah, and so he was asking me how my prayer life was. And so I thought, huh. But, you know, Phil, really, that is a point. You get thrust into this, and it becomes this process that's ever-changing. And I really believe the more you study is that you just start growing from there.
You can either grow apart or you can grow together. And all these obstacles that happen, which are going to happen in the future. It's like a new normal. It's like a new normal. It's a new normal. It's a new normal. But I read that in 1 Corinthians 7.
What I find interesting, to go back to John 2, is so he does this sign at this wedding, and we mention the significance of us being married to Jesus and how maybe that was a foreshadowing of new creation.
So you also see that here in 1 Corinthians 6, right before that. I mean, the whole chapter 7 of 1 Corinthians, it talks about all these different arrangements, and he addresses them all. But, you know, that comes on the heels of 1 Corinthians 6 about the temple, your body being the temple of the Holy Spirit. And you remember 6, what is that, 18, that says... Flee from sexual immorality.
All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. And then it says this. This is 1 Corinthians 6, 19. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you've received from God? You are not your own. You were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your body. Well, just like John says,
You don't have to know all the colors. He's not a man to be trifled with. That's what we know about. Don't run up on him in a dark alley and think you're supposed to do something.
It went to the temple in thought just as Jesus cleared out the temple. And then they're like asking for this sign that he has this authority, which is really what the beginning of John is all about. is Jesus who he claims to be? Who do you think Jesus is, and where does he get this authority?
And so you see by his first two signs in quotations, because even though the temple, there was no miracle in that, he cleared it out, but then he makes this statement in reference to the question, what is the sign that you have authority to do this?
And he said, destroy this temple, and I'll raise it in three days. So you fast forward to what Paul said in Ephesians 2, where it says that—we didn't read this last time, but it is such a profound verse. The reason I'm going to Ephesians is because that's where we go to talk about marriage. That's the most—In Ephesians 5. But in Ephesians 2, when he says you're members of God's household—
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with jesus christ himself as his chief cornerstone in him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the lord yeah and so even that when you uh
I've been short stack most of my life. How do you get a big stack?
He said it was 44 minutes before he was ever. He said 47. Oh, now it's up to 47. Okay. Which they're only 48 minutes long, so. Well, it's just kind of ironic, Si, because me, you, and Willie were on Sadie's podcast last year. And it's the first time we had all been together on a podcast, and it was her podcast. So I guess you'd think there would be more opportunities for that to happen.
So kings are your only option.
And was this helping the crowd?
Oh, yeah. Grumpy.
And Maddie wants her cut, too.
Oh, then you short. Speaking of time, then he's out of there.
Well, Zach, I'm glad you asked. Lisa and I got the, I'm a big fish fan. I mean, I love fish, all kinds of fish. And so we got some fish. And so this was a almond butter recipe that was super fresh. You don't want to overcook that, so you cook it really quick. And then they also sent us some super fresh Brussels sprouts and some broccoli in there as well. Absolutely loved it.
But my point was. So did y'all have fun?
Felt good about it when it was over because it fit into my diet. So it was a fantastic meal. Was it difficult to make? No, very easy. Made it in about probably 20 minutes.
So I'm not sure you can call that.
Well, that's going to happen.
It is, and it's kind of always been the Robertson way anyway. I told Cy when he got here this morning, Jace, because we were talking a little bit about that as well, because we're going out, everybody's out one day or the other with mom and dad. And I said, Cy, I'm just grateful. Dad was right. I'm grateful to God that you were born demented.
And the tabernacle.
And by the way, just to set that up, so the pillar, remember, had been above them the whole time they're coming out. So the idea was... Yeah, the presence of God was there, but he was still far away. He was like above them, so that's the idea.
so that we could get used to that that's right we've had 75 years of size dementia and we're just we know how to deal with it i mean you're just fine you're you're happy go lucky it's it's fantastic well hi the human race we i said it when i come in here because uh getting ready for this when i'm thinking about jacob's letter okay
But he was glowing when he came out. He was glowing.
So one of the most, I would say, faith-inspiring things in my life, Jace, is reading stories about martyrs for the cause. I mean, starting, of course, with the original group, but for the last 2,000 years, there have been people that have paid the ultimate price for the kingdom.
Yeah, in a gruesome, terrible way. And that's the sort of thing, I mean, the evil one has definitely been trying to stamp out the kingdom of God in different ways. The Voice of the Martyrs, which is a fantastic organization that's been inspiring me for many, many years. I've shared it with the congregation and everywhere I go. Todd Nettleton, who is the radio host of Voice of the Martyrs,
He's written a new book, and it's right here if you're watching. It's called When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Frontlines with Persecuted Christians.
And so what he does is like you're going on this journey through these restricted countries, and each step along the way, there's another story, kind of like the ones Zach just mentioned, of amazing faith-driven bravery to step up for the cause of the kingdom. Yeah. And he's offering it for free.
For free, which you can't, yeah, and you don't want to miss out because these stories are going to super inspire you. You can request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden today, not only to be inspired yourself, but to support this fantastic ministry, which has really been on the front lines of persecution for many, many years. So here's what you do.
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Don't start injecting stuff that is not true. Let me say one thing because there's a lot of people that love our rabbit holes. So Jace went to Exodus 33, which is an excellent point. For those of you who want to read that and then dive a little deeper, read 2 Corinthians 4 because Paul makes the exact same point Jace made in more detail. And the key there is that Jesus was the only link between
to see the face of God, as it's explained in Exodus, and then also to be present to us. That's why I tell the disciples, when you've seen me, you've seen the Father. So finally you can look into the face of God because of Christ.
Which, by the way, one other thing, we skipped over the verse, but back in Exodus 33, there's a verse there that says, and Joshua, his aide... stayed in the tent when he came out. So the idea of mentorship and then preparing somebody for the next leadership, which Joshua was to Moses, it's very important. He experienced that as well.
Most people don't realize Moses was the only one to be in that tent, but Joshua was there writing everything down at the same time, which is important.
Because you have the Spirit.
Yeah. All right, well, let me read it, and then we can dive more into it because we've been talking all around it. So this is John 2. On the third day, a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. We've already said that was just maybe four miles from Nazareth, which is where Jesus is from, which would probably explain why his mom was there. Jesus' mother was there.
And Jesus is there.
And Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, they have no more wine. Dear woman, why do you involve me? Jesus replied, here you go, Si, here's your line. My time has not yet come. And yet it really had. His mother said to the servants, which is an interesting response to that statement, do whatever he tells you.
Saying he's there representing us. So it's happening in real time.
Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing. 20 to 30 gallons. Holding 20 to 30 gallons. Jesus said to the servants, fill the jars with water. So they filled them to the brim. We've got a lot of water. Then he told them, now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet. Now, I just want to stop for a minute just for a commentary.
Can you imagine what these servants are thinking? When they told him this, like they just... No, they're probably giggling under there. Oh, they're probably thinking, we're fixing to get throttled.
But they did it because Marriott said, do whatever he says. Yeah. And the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. So that happened in the process here. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.
Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, Everyone brings out the choice wine first, and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, the old bait and switch. But you have saved the best till now. So he gets a praise from the host here. This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed at Cana in Galilee.
He thus revealed his glory, to Jesus' point, and his disciples put their faith in him.
That's right, it was a week long.
Okay, because this is a week party. Because remember, Cy, this is not like... We have pretty big weddings now, but this whole idea, this was arranged ahead of time. The couple had been betrothed usually for a year or more. Yeah, for years. They'd been building a house somewhere to wait to go in together. So this thing is like a huge celebration of coming together. And the one faux pas...
that you could ever have is to run out of food or wine. No, no. You don't do that. Yeah. Because the hospitality is big. It's still big in the eastern region.
My time is not... That struck me, Si, because Mary, it doesn't say much about Mary. You don't see her. This is one of the few times she pops up. I think she's only twice at the cross in here. And the one where the brothers, remember that time they came to see her. But most of the time she hasn't been seen.
But obviously those verses early that says she pondered these things or treasured them in her heart, she knew something was going on because why would she say whatever he But you know when you're a virgin and you get burned. Well, exactly, exactly. Because nobody knew for sure except her. Joseph went because the angels told him.
Yeah, right. Which is very. Which, by the way, is what we would say today, right? We would say, okay. Well, I'd roll my eyes. Yeah.
I know they had to question it.
When you show up with some water when they've called for wine, that would be, in our day, a fireable offense. In their day, much, much worse. So whatever is going to happen.
Well, of course, it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. outfits. It was awkward, but I will say this.
I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.
Dynasty. Really? Yeah, dynasty. They don't say dynasty. They say dynasty. That doesn't come out of a letter as I'm just reading. Right. Well, if you could have heard it the way they were saying it, they were like, oh, we led that Chapman dynasty. Yeah. So that's the way they would have said it.
So I want to make this point because this was something interesting when I did research to your points about my time has not yet come. I first thought about what Paul said in Galatians 4.4 when he said when the time, when the set time had fully come, God sent his son born of one, born under the law. You remember that passage? So there's this idea that there was an appointment of time for us.
If you approach this text by wondering whether it was alcohol or not, you've missed a big, big point.
Yes.
All right, so let me share this with you, James. This is going to prove the point you just made. This is something I didn't know until I got into the study this time. Five times this phrase is used, my time has not yet come, by Jesus or about Jesus, because John used one of them. One of them is here in our text. There's three in John seven, John seven, six, seven, eight, seven 30.
That's the context. You remember where the brothers told him he needed to go up to the feast of tabernacles. And he was like, no, my time is not yet come. And they were like, Oh, you need to get out there. And you know, if you're going to be a man of the people, you got to show yourself. They were the marketing director. And he's like, he's three times.
He says in that context, my time is not yet come. Um, And then again in 8.20, remember we get into John 8 is where they were questioning him, who gave you the authority? He said, my time has not yet come. Listen to this. There's three times later in John where he says the time has come. The first one doesn't start until 12.23. The second one is 13.1.
That was with his disciples the night before when he was washing their feet. And then the last one is 17, one where he was praying, and he said, my time has come. Guess what happened before that language changed with Jesus? All seven of the miracles that John talks about, and guess which the last one was? The raising of Lazarus from the dead.
which was the pinnacle sign that God had now come to defeat the very power of death, which Jesus would later do. So it's really interesting that the language Jesus uses goes right up to that point through John 11, and then all of a sudden says, my time has come.
So listen to this. So it's the power. So this is the power over this idea and this situation and transformation, water to wine. Listen to the seven signs. I'm just giving it to you quick. In chapter four, it's the power over distance. It's where he healed the guy. You just said, oh, yeah, he's ready.
You don't have to bring him. I don't have to go there. You don't need to go. Yeah. The third one was the guy, Bethsaida, in chapter five. That was power over disease. No disease was more powerful than Christ.
So then in chapter 6, it was the feeding of the 5,000 and later another 4,000. So that's insufficiency. We can't take care of ourselves. He said, I'm bigger than that. Then he walked on water and calmed the storm in John 6. That's power over nature. Anything's out there. I made it. So if I tell the winds to stop, they stop.
And then listen to this. John chapter 9, the 6th one was the man born blind. And that shows you the power over sin. Because remember, they were saying, who's sin? This man or his parents? And he's like... Which, by the way...
And look, the bottom line is, as believers, we have to look at it and say, look, because I have a weakness in a certain area, I'm going to remove myself from that because it's not good for me. I can say the same thing about cheeseburgers. The reason I'm on a diet is I got a weakness for cheeseburgers. But I'm not going to resent Cy for eating a cheeseburger.
I'm just going to say, brother, you enjoy that. I'm going to go over here and fix me some veggies.
But to your point, I grew up hearing sermons that included this text that never dealt with the beautiful picture in the text. Zero. Because it was always about what wasn't really happening or what was really.
In our current era, that's what it tends to be. So, Simon, you came in there today and sat down. The first thing you said was, boys, what we're talking about today is about time. So I got to tell you, we're out of time. How fast did that go by?
Because that last sign, by the way, was defeating death. There are no alarm clocks. No need. We have eternity to enjoy.
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Really?
That's a whole different atmosphere over there. It's kind of like a barnyard situation. You know, it was a first, though.
All the animals are there. There's a lot of clucking and noises.
Which is his whole point, which by the way, if you keep going, James 3.10, his intent was that now through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be known to the rulers and authorities where? In the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose, which he accomplished in Christ Jesus. So again, there's this idea of both realms, but Si is right.
And then it's outside time and yet it's inside time. It's both.
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Oh, I got to hear this.
No, no, because, hey. I mean, like singing and dancing skit? No, no.
Okay?
My favorite time that I was with Si, and he did this skit, we were at Auburn University in their basketball arena, and it was packed. I don't know if you remember this. There was 15,000 people in there. Si did his thing. It was so good. People were loving it. He said, and oh, by the way, let me tell you one other thing.
When you let your little bird go, you know, your war eagle, he said he's landing right now at midfield.
He said, it's confusing me. He needs to land in the end zone so the football team will know where they're supposed to go. And everybody just roared. I looked at Zion when we walked out, and I was like, did you just think of that? That was brilliant. It was the perfect way to close it. He closed it with that, and they cheered us off. You know what's weird?
Which I hate bringing up poker stories because there's some.
But you had the three people at this table play poker.
And I'm wondering why they took you off the list, because he describes himself as studying for his podcast presentations and then winning some money. I did that last night. He's the most disengaged poker player ever. I was literally reading the Bible last night at the poker game. I can't imagine why they don't want you. On my phone.
And everybody in the center, including you.
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Jase, the last time we saw you, you were off to the woods. I'm curious as to what happened.
I know that wasn't planned, but you brought turtles, and that was like flashback, flashback. John, welcome to Unashamed. This is what we do here. We start talking, and then you never know where it's going to go. It feels like home, and I'm grateful, guys.
No, you're a very smart man. We're glad to have you on our podcast. You're connected. Tell us what you do with Dave Ramsey because you're working with him these days.
And you like to hunt because before we came on air, we were talking about hunting. And you're from Texas originally, is that right? Yes, sir. I was born and raised there.
Well, I saw that when I saw you had been at ACU and LCU because, you know, we all come out of the same heritage. We come out of the Church of Christ heritage. The one true church. The one true church, yeah.
And so I noticed because when our little duck show took off, we were quite popular for people raising money, you know, to come in and try to get some crowds in, in some unusual places, including university campuses. And so I made it my vow that I was every one of our COC colleges and universities that are out there that I was going to try to make sure I made it to everyone. And I did. It took me.
three or four years of fundraisers to make it around. But it was a nice thing we could share together from that idea.
But, you know, they're from Montana and Colorado, so they were like, yeah.
Well, the guy that mentored us here, that led down to Christ, mentored me and Jace in our early formative years in Bible study, always said, keep studying and stay open to God. Because, you know, you never know what he's going to reveal to you. And he was a man, even as he got older, that had some beliefs that kind of were all of our heritages coming into the situation here.
But over time, when he looked at the scriptures and was fair with it, he said, you know, I've been wrong about that. And again, by this time, he's in his 70s and 80s. And so I'm kind of like you, John. Those sort of things impacted me because I don't ever just shut down and think I know everything that's out there.
And to be honest, I was, when I heard Burley was going, I felt better because Burley is really good at taking care of folks, making sure they get what they need.
Because I had— They were actually competing sides in our audience as to who was right, who was wrong.
He was parked right in front of a donut shop. I mean, this morning I saw him as well when I came by. All right, so that's great. So can you analyze Jace on that, John?
Yeah.
Yeah. And if you, and if you never do something, you'll never have to worry about it. So I want to ask you this because the, you guys obviously are doing great, work with what you're doing with Dave and everything else. We're in another lane in Unashamed, but I feel like we're all kind of working together. That's right. From a kingdom perspective, what we're putting out there.
So you know, because you said you listen to a podcast, that we're based obviously in Bible study and then stories. You know, stories, that's how we grew up. My grandfather and my dad and all of our relatives told stories. And so then that shaped right into sort of the biblical story and how we go forward. So that's kind of the unashamed lane that we're in that works for the folks that are here.
But I want to ask you about that because I feel like you and a lot of guys like you are what I call in the cultural trenches because you talk to people every day. They're right up next to a lot of real issues that they may or may not understand. talk about their church or some other place because they're just struggling, but they don't know how to get this out.
So just to get us started, how do you approach that? How do you think people's identity in Christ can help them through mental issues and all the stuff you deal with?
I had never thought about connecting back to 50 years ago and sort of the dawn of the television age with that and how much you're right and how much that has just set the stage for where we are today. It's been a natural advancement because you said it, it's TV dinners. So it's not just we lost that supper time, we lost that meal experience, we lost that idea of connection to
what gives us that nutrition for both our bodies as well as our psyche and our soul. Right. But also it was tied to a device. It was tied to the television. And so, you know, back in that day, because I remember being a little kid, it was three channels and, you know, it was colored bars at 10 o'clock at night. At least there was a stop to it.
And I'm saying I'm willing to bet that the ones that, stayed on as friends of your kids are probably still friends to this day.
That's what I'm saying. When you see them, you've got a relationship. So that brings me to something, John, because you talk a lot. I saw some of your shows where you talk about getting weird. if you have to, because you're in protective mode. And, Jace, what Jace just described is weird, but only because it's just different. It's right.
Most of us can agree, but most people don't have the courage to do something like that.
John, that's why they're called duck boys. They haven't become duck men.
It's almost like you flip from defense to offense because it's what John was saying earlier about the woman at the well. She starts out. She's isolated. She's alone. She doesn't want to talk to people. She's engaged with Jesus in just a short conversation. All of her life hurts are brought out. And then what is the next thing she does?
She goes into the village and says, hey, you got to come out of here. I mean, so all the people she's been avoiding, now she's on offense and saying, you know, this guy will tell you everything you've ever done. So I find that that defense to offense makes a big difference.
Yeah, because you never really thought about this ending your life stuff being that present in young people, but it, it seems to be part of this new phenomenon.
And usually they'll lean forward and go, all right, tell me some more.
I love it. John, we're out of time. You know, we have a way of rating guests on the Unashamed podcast. The really good ones, it feel like we just got started. And literally, we're out of time. Zach came up with 17 questions to ask you. We asked two. So we got to have you back on. It's the Dr. John Deloney Show.
If you want to check out John's work, he's written some books as well that look fantastic.
I've got to get out and do it. All right. We may make that happen as well. John, thank you for coming on, brother.
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Which, by the way, I saw Jeff, and he told me when Austin came in from that hunt, they went by their house first. And he didn't even speak to Jeff as he was running past him. He said, I got to get in the shower. I got to get in the shower.
I'm glad I came back. Steven and Vanessa, if you're listening, I'm so sorry. It was the worst trip you could have ever had.
No, we're super excited about it.
I'm probably going to struggle. Let's take a break. We'll introduce our guest when we come back.
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Well, that's the bottom of the whole universe as far as we're concerned. That's where it all happens.
And we're still training her.
It's like a drunk French something or other. That's it. It's bad English and bad French. So we have John Deloney. John, welcome to Unashamed. I appreciate the seat at the table. I'm grateful. John, don't feel like you need to hold back.
Well, I didn't know she was coming. I didn't know she wanted to go until we got out there, so that was kind of a last minute.
I am unashamed. What about you?
He was 100%.
Contentious.
Somebody put on the note, I was reading some of the comments the other day, and the guy goes, does Jace like Zach? He doesn't understand our relationship, Zach. Somebody replied, he loves him. I love that.
I am unashamed. What about you?
Yeah. You know, people can't people look. I don't think I don't like that the government has secrets either. But here's the thing. Some things have to remain secret that the government is doing. You got enemies, right? Well, you have enemies and you have a population who's going to respond in a way that is detrimental to. to society if you was to actually tell them what's going on.
You tell me or you something bad is about to happen, well, we down here on the river, we don't give two rips. We're not going to go crazy and panic about it, right? We can take care of ourselves. But these people in these cities, man, if you was to tell them that there's some imminent threat and maybe that's the reason these drones are flying around, maybe it's because it's for your own safety.
Well, you was to tell them that, what are they going to do? They're gonna lose their mind. Yeah, right.
Well, I always side with Chad. This joker right here is sharp. It's a full circle moment for me. The first time I ever heard Chad was on the Unashamed podcast. Really? It really is.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question. I try to identify most with my faith and with Christ. And the older I get, the longer I go into life, the less I identify with my military service or my running or anything as the Holy Spirit just continues that process of sanctification. I less and less really identify with even anything else in my past.
Well, my favorite race is actually what's called a last man standing race. And it's where a bunch of runners show up. There's a film on Amazon Prime, if you guys want to watch it, called Just One Mile. It's me doing this. Him winning it, by the way. Nobody can really beat me at it, but I don't mean to sound prideful or anything.
Yeah, about a hundred runners show up from all over the country and you run this one mile loop over and over again. And you got 20 minutes to complete the loop, but there's about 350 feet of climbing and descending in the loop, so it's super steep.
And you know you come in if you come in in 15 minutes Well, then you got five minutes to refill your water bottle get you a little food in your belly And then you got to be back on the line towing the line to go again And so I love these last man standing races. I think that one that the documentary was done on I think I ran for 33 34 hours straight something like that um, and uh
I just like that because I can really mess with people's mind, right? My mind is blown. You're running with these same people loop after loop, and you get down to the core group, and you look over at a guy, and you say, hey, man. You look like you're limping a little bit. Is your leg doing all right?
Well, his leg might be fine, but when you tell him he's limping and that his leg looks like it's a little off, he starts thinking, dang, my leg is kind of bothering me. And man, you just pick them off and you just really get to get in people's heads. So that's my favorite format. The longest I've ever ran is 250 miles. That was through the mountains of Arizona. But, yeah, I love to run.
It's a it's been a wonderful avenue for me to challenge myself since I left the Navy. And and also it's been a thing that's given me this platform that I have. It's really the foundation of the platform that I have to where now. We're able to share the gospel. We're able to travel around and speak. Our faith is the foundational element of our business now and everything that we do. Yeah, man.
You know, I want to say something about Chad real quick, but you know, everybody focuses on Chad's military background on all the awesome stuff he's done and is doing, but yes, why are we friends? Well, we met and this man right here, He loves, his life is dedicated to loving people.
He loves and cares about people more on a higher level and on just a whole nother degree than any other person I've met in my life. And I don't think people talk about that part of him near as much. And that's one of the things that I'm worst at. Yeah.
is loving and caring for people not that i don't love people i just i just want to be left alone right and that's kind of the background i came yeah we're loners and so he inspires me just just when i see how much he genuinely cares for people i mean he'll just send me a random text and tell me he loves me and hope i'm done i'm like what this guy's busier than i am yeah
Oh, in 2012, the Navy sent me on a deployment. I spent a month or two in North Africa, and we had left North Africa, and we were rejockeying our gear in Germany. And they stuck us in this old, like, run-down, dingy barracks because we were just going to be there for a few weeks. And... A barracks is a building that people stay in. That's what we call it in the military, a barracks.
And it was empty. It was just me and a couple other guys staying in there. And just to make a long story short, this place was inhabited by some sort of evil spirit. And we began experiencing some pretty scary things. Me and the three guys that I was with were in there. And to the point that eventually we were all sleeping in the same room together.
because we were so freaked out about what we were experiencing. You could feel it. What was happening? So the initial thing, I was laying in my bed one night, something slammed, hit my door, and it jolted me awake out of sleep. And then I could hear voices echoing up and down the hallway. of this building, big long hallways. I'd heard it was used to house Holocaust victims.
It dated all the way back to World War II. And I woke up, my roommate was asleep, looked in the hallway, nobody was there, went to the guys across the hallway, they were dead asleep. And I thought, okay, that's strange. So it was a lot of... Bumps in the nights, the oven turned on one time. But even more so, it was a feeling.
It was a presence that was so oppressive that when I would walk into this place, there was a stairwell. I'd walk up the stairwell and then it turned back up to a landing. We were staying on the second deck and I could feel something staring at me. You know, we have that instinct to just like an animal. And I would fully expect to turn around and look up at that landing and see something up there.
Anyways, we got to our wits end on this thing, and I called my little brother. I wasn't a Christian, man. I didn't want God. Would not have ever chose God, I don't believe. I actually believe that since I was a good guy, I was a Navy SEAL, right? I was serving my country. I was doing a hard job.
If I was a good guy, that if there was a God, if I got killed, he's going to send me to the good place, of course. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? What a lie that was. You know what I mean? And so I called my little brother because I knew my little brother was a Christian. I said, look, man, we have encountered something here that is outside of our knowledge of warfare.
I don't know how to combat this thing.
Exactly. Exactly. And I said, Blake, you know, can you help me with this? And he said, let me let me put you in touch with my pastor. That pastor called me the same day on a little flip phone I had. And I told the pastor what was going on. And that pastor said, oh, it ain't no big deal. I said, what are you talking about, man? No, this is a big deal.
We got four Navy SEALs sleeping in the same room together. Something's going on here, man. Yeah. And he said, no, don't worry about it. He said, put me on speakerphone. And he said, I want you to just walk up and down the hallways of this place. And he said, I'm going to pray. So I said, all right, this is foolish, but I'm at my wit's end here. And I walk around this place. He prays.
He's praying in the name of Jesus. He says, go now to the room you're staying in there. He said, you got some olive oil? I said, yeah. He said, take a little. Just a dab of that olive oil. He said, just dab it right there above the doorway of your room. I said, okay, man, that's it. Nothing happened. No spirits descended or doves started. Nothing. He said, yeah, that's it, man.
We wound down that night, laid in bed. Total peace had just returned to this place. Whatever that thing was, I don't even know what it was, why it was there, how it got there. I'm not here to explain that. But whatever that thing was, was gone. And so I am no fool. So I said, there's some power here. And so I got my hands on a Bible and I started reading in the book of Matthew.
And the first thing that I realized when I started reading God's word for the first time was, first thing I realized was what a wretched human I was. That old thing about how I was a good person, right? I was doing a good job, a hard thing. If I die, surely I'll go to the good place.
If there is a good place, I realized, no, man, when you get to the Sermon on the Mount and you get there right quick and you get to the Beatitudes and you get to the Sermon on the Mount, you say, I'm screwed.
If this is true, I am screwed. That's right. Right? Yeah. And as I went, the Holy Spirit revealed to me the truth of the gospel and showed me why I needed Christ. And I received a gift of salvation just to... Just maybe a week or so after. Was it at those barracks? Yeah, at the same barracks. Received a gift of salvation.
And it's the one, I think it's the one that we leverage the least. That's right. It's like, I don't know about you guys, but I love reading my Bible. I mean, I could read my Bible for hours a day, but it's hard to pray a lot of times. You know, you talk about, well, I want to read my Bible.
Well, it takes a long time to get to the point, and the Lord leads you there, to where you can sit down and pray for hours. I mean, how often do you do that? And it's the most powerful tool that God, and what a gift. We have access to God through Jesus Christ. And we don't leverage that.
We leverage that gift, what, three minutes a day in the morning and five seconds at a little prayer around dinner? I've got to the point. You know, my family, we got stuck in the hole. We sit down to eat dinner and it's a thank you, Lord, for this food. Amen. I'm done with that. If we have time to pray, by gosh, we are going to pray.
And we're going to take it seriously because it's the most powerful tool that the Lord has gifted us with.
I mean, I'd say the most logical answer to that question is, how has it not changed me? My wife won't mind me telling this, but my wife's a recovering addict, and And we had a lot of rough, rough times. And Jason and I were talking about this at dinner last night. It's the power of the Holy Spirit that enabled me to forgive her for that period of her life. And how has it changed me?
In my opinion, the best way that we... can attempt to represent or emulate Christ in our lives is by way of selflessness. You know, you ask any special operations guy, what's the number one characteristic you want to see in a teammate? It's selflessness. It's not proficiency. It's not shooting. It's not physical fitness. It's selflessness. And that's how we...
Get to image Christ is through selflessness. And so it's changed me in that way. In terms of my marriage, I look at the, you know, the foundational mission of my life in terms of actionable steps is is leading people. God's daughter home, leading my wife home and being selfless to her and imaging Christ to her, uh, along that journey.
And so that, that obviously bleeds into every aspect of that relationship. And it's changed everything for me. And let me go ahead and tell you right now, I'm not perfect at it. And, um, And I still make a lot of mistakes and I still struggle with certain sins and things like this and even sometimes succumb to them. So don't think that I'm sitting here saying I'm a perfect husband.
But that's the number one thing that I want to do is I want to lead people. his daughter home. And I'm so thankful that God has gifted me with his daughter and put her under my care. I mean, what a responsibility that he entrusts us with. And my job is to die. That is my job. And I'll never completely do it. Yeah. Because my old self, boy, it rears its ugly head so many times, man, all the time.
But, man, I know my job is to die. Thanks be to Christ, right? Yes.
He not only gave his life for us because we can wrap our mind around that. As warriors, we understand a man, it's not that big of a deal for us to think that a man would give his life for another man or for somebody that they loved or cared about. No, he didn't just give his life for us. What Christ did is he took the sin of all of humanity upon himself and literally bore that on the cross.
In one moment. In one moment. And that separated him in some way, shape, or form from the Father. And that was like the biggest moment of we can't understand what that felt like.
We can understand a man giving his life for a man. That ain't no big deal. But we can't understand what the weight of the sin of all humanity feels like. How that crushes you. I mean, it's just incomprehensible.
The Three of Seven Podcast. Three of Seven.
I like it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a Chad-a-da.
I'm going to tell you, I'll come to whatever you call me. I'm not too picky.
i am unashamed what about you welcome back to unashamed we uh we kind of been splitting time a little more time here in the duck call room is this does this feel like a temporary home yet jace or is this no because uh i don't like being this far away in our bible study i kind of like being a little closer but
I'm not sure I told the story, but we... My cousin Kim, who's Tommy's daughter, dad's the brother two years older than him that's crossed over, she called me and said that two of her daughters and her daughter's boyfriend, their college age, wanted to get baptized. And I was like, yeah, that'd be awesome.
Stealing gives you hemorrhoids? You had another sign that was.
And so before we had our gathering, they got there that afternoon on Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving. And we all went down to WFR to where our building is. And then by the time they got here, Holt, who is Chad's son, Chad and Jace are the same age. They're a day apart. His son wanted to be baptized as well, so we baptized four.
He actually texted me in defense of Joe and said, I have some wood ducks here because that's what I had figured I was going to have to cook with. And I said, well, I got a better offer, Joe. I got offered some teal. Yeah.
Right.
So, Zach, tell us, what did you do for Thanksgiving? Because you didn't come here, obviously. We missed you here. What were you doing?
Well, just so you know, Zach, to show you how big our gathering was, we had eight fried turkeys and four hams. They all got eaten? As the main meat, and most of it got eaten. All the turkeys got eaten.
Yeah, Mom's been great. And then our Aunt Nancy, it was her grandkids that I baptized, and she was there. And there's something about that. There's something about a matriarch. Because now our family's in so many wings, and so to be able to pull those together was a cool thing.
Yeah.
It's the Elon Musk RFK effect. Jace is under the spell.
Someone had posted on X today I thought was pretty telling. It said the 75-year-old grandmother who was arrested for praying outside an abortion clinic is reporting to prison this week. Two-year sentence. for praying outside an abortion clinic. No pardon for her, but we got one from good old Hunter that James didn't know existed.
She pulled out a little King James on you is what she did.
I can, unless you want to just jump into your thing.
and uh so i just thought all these hundred people trying to get along as a family and when you start looking at our culture and just it just seems to be a breakdown of the family in a family setting some past hurts some crosswords some difficult situations and it may not even be you it may have been your parents or your grandparents i mean it's things that happen over the course of time you're right it i said it was the great in my sermon it was the great it's the greatest family is the greatest test
for forgiveness that could ever be made. Because you have so many opportunities to offend.
Yeah.
Which is why I used the Rich Young Ruler from Mark 10. In my sermon yesterday is the example of that.
Yeah.
And then Jesus confirmed the very thing you just said. in Matthew 19, in a discussion about marriage and divorce by some legalists, confirmed exactly what you just said. He quoted those verses. Exactly. Which basically affirms this is the way it is.
So it's a reversal of, uh,
Well, so I threw Si under the bus yesterday because I made for Thanksgiving, and we'll talk about our big Thanksgiving gathering. So we realized that by the time you hear this, Thanksgiving is probably a little bit in the rearview mirror, but For us recording, it just happened. As in two weeks ago. Lisa and I decided, since Dad was down this year, that we were going to make his duck and dressing.
And it shows you how rampant it was in any culture, even 2,000 years ago.
Now, it was our first time, so I didn't expect it to be perfect. And it wasn't. But it was pretty good. And so we made the duck and dressing. The most embarrassing thing, Jace, for you is that the hardest thing I had to find were ducks because y'all hadn't been killed. Look.
It's not a real person in your life. No, you don't even know him. Yeah.
I'm having a conversation with a woman at Brookshire's, and I had all my stuff out there, and she said, looks like you're making dressing. I said, yeah. I said, you know the hardest thing to find right now, and this is embarrassing coming from a family known for ducks, I'm having a hard time finding ducks. We're not killing many ducks out there on the river.
All right, so we've got a lot, obviously, more to say about this. Zach's chomping at the bits, too. We'll do that in the next podcast.
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Yeah, he was better two days ago than he's been in the sentimental long term.
He is seeing some new doctors and different things, but it's, it's right. It's a spiritual thing at this point just to maybe stop the slide. But anyway, so I was making my, the duck and dressing, um, And John Gimber, our cousin, came through with eight green-winged teal. Teal are the best for the duck and dressing.
It's down at the distance from where you are.
So Gimber came through, and so he brought me eight dressed teal, which I figured I would dress them myself, but that was nice. And so I did the duck and dressing well. So I presented it. I did it like Dad does it. You know, he, like, takes the top off, and the ducks are on top, and it looked great. It was not quite set as much as it needed to be, and I think it's because I didn't use a big enough –
you know a pot but uh so si eats um and so i said which you know i've learned a long time ago if you're a robertson and you ask the question you have to be able to stand the answer yeah so i said si what do you think nope so he said nope so he knew that you were referring he knew immediately and uh he said dressing is too runny not enough sage ducks are too tough
Well, here's sort of two things. And, of course, Lisa was like offended. But I said, babe, you know, he's just speaking the truth. And he was right about it wasn't firm enough. I think I got it fixed. I'm going to try it again next year. It needs to be a bigger pot. Dad's roaster is twice the size of my roaster. So part of it was it was too thick in the roaster.
And then the ducks need to be boiled longer. He was right about two out of three. He's off on the sage. He's lost his mind. I said, so tell me this, because I'm seriously asking the question. How much sage do you think needs to go into this pot of dressing? Because dad is like, don't get wild. Don't get wild with the sage. Because we put about a tablespoon of sage in. He said four bottles.
Zach, you're the lightning rod. Six feet.
Oh, boy. I said, whole bottles of sage? I said, Si, why don't we just go out and eat grass behind Willie's house if we're going to be putting that much sage on dresses? So he's way off on the sage, but he's right on the edge. Way off. Well, Al, I think you've got to start with who you picked of all the family. Well, he just happened to be the first guy that ate it.
I mean, look, I'm asking in honesty, but the four bottles of sage is just, well, that's insane. That's insane. That would ruin it.
The audience is right again.
I will say just to tie off of my story as well is that dad, Dad ate my dressing, mine and Lisa's, and said I couldn't have made it better myself. Really? That's what Dad said. So I'll take that as well.
Well, you have to be unafraid to fail. I mean, like, otherwise you'll never do it. It's like, well, I can never be as good as, you know, dads or moms. Well, you got to try. You got to, like, jump in there or else you can't carry it on.
I always meet new people at our family gathering. So Because usually we're like a gathering place. Like there's one of our producers is from Canada, and so she doesn't have family here, and so she comes every year. So we've got a lot of folks like that that come, which is just they're part of the family. I heard my crew, some of my crew came down.
Your sister, one of my favorite people on the planet. Yeah, and I got to have a great visit with them, which was awesome.
What was the one you had? You had something about hemorrhoids on the original show. What was that one?
One of the guys, and I don't know if you met him, he works here, Jase. He was one of the kids from the orphanage that we worked with for years in Dominican Republic. Missy did, Corey, all of us. And he now works for us. He's married. Saw him. I thought it was fantastic. Yeah, it was really a cool thing.
Wow.
Hmm.
Christian. Your husband.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
What about you?
I don't want to create controversy.
Yeah, that's good.
He was very, he tormented me.
I was like, what? Yeah, I took a call. And he's just messing, but he's like, I'm like, how do you get away? I don't know. Somebody gets away with it. Yeah, I know.
All of y'all are like that, yeah.
First time in 45 years.