Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1054 | Jase Unplugs Himself for 6 Days Without Noticing & Do the Unborn Go to Heaven?
Mon, 10 Mar 2025
Jase takes an accidental sabbatical that ends up costing him big time, and Zach volunteers to be his second line of defense. When Al flubs the dates for an event, Jase draws biblical parallels between the flawed men of the Bible and God’s perfect plan for getting his Word to the world. The guys offer clues to the meaning of water baptism with other biblical examples of water’s significance, and Jase offers his opinion on the cosmic fate of the unborn. In this episode: 2 Peter 1, verses 12-16; Exodus 14; 1 Corinthians 10, verses 1-5; Joshua 4, verse 23 “Unashamed” Episode 1054 is sponsored by: https://identityguard.com/unashamed — Get a 30 day free trial AND 60% off today! https://fastgrowingtrees.com/unashamed — Save up to half-off on select plants and when you use code UNASHAMED at checkout you’ll get an additional 15% off! https://tomorrowclubs.org/unashamed — Bring hope to kids in some of the darkest corners of the world. Help us hit our goal of 1,200 new Tomorrow Clubs members this month! Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What did Jase learn from his six-day email blackout?
That's a very good quote. Yeah. I just don't like it. I figure if you come to my house or if I go to your house, then you get my undivided attention. He says you turn your phone off? Turn it off.
Yeah. I didn't know you turned your phone on. I think I've probably answered.
I think you're figuring it out, Zay.
You have a lot of people over.
I am the worst by design of like getting back. But I do if it's important. And what I mean by important, if it's anything related to Jesus or the Bible. Yeah. Because I have multiple Bible books. going on that never, I don't know when they began. I guess I could scroll on my phone and see when they began. I guess most of them began at their new birth.
But, you know, there may be three days before I get back to you. Yeah.
That's what I tell folks. I'm like, just be patient with me.
But you know what I realized yesterday? That my email wasn't working. Ah. How long did it take you to realize that? Six days. So, Matty? I would probably know after two. That's why I haven't been in the loop. And what's weird about my email is that it was designed by, you know, a commander or whatever. So these people, I don't see these people. Yeah.
I'm not even sure those people are in this facility. I don't know. They're probably some other place.
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Chapter 2: How do biblical figures relate to modern mistakes?
Well, that's exactly what happened to me. Not because of that, but so these folks up at Camp Calvary, Macville, Kentucky, good people. I spoke there. I think two years ago, and they had booked us for an event. Their guy, Jordan, who came through here, he actually had dinner at my house. So he said, I want you guys to come to a marriage event. Great. We did it. We did it through our booking people.
And then we had the date. I had it written down, but somewhere in the process, and I admit mine is a little bit antiquated. But we got the wrong dates. But I went back and looked this morning, and every communication I got from these people, we got from the booking people, was all the correct dates. But guess who had the wrong dates? Me. And I think I did it, not Lisa.
That's the worst when you realize, oh, I'm the problem. Exactly. I hate that.
I'm going to make a spiritual application to this at some point. But before I do, I mean, because I think the spiritual application won't work. We'll make you feel better. Well, I hope so. I want to make you feel better today. But so I was supposed to promote a little event. So this weekend I'll be in Farmington, Arkansas.
But don't come because by the time you hear this, I will have already have been there. So we're just going to rely. You're going to show up at an empty venue and say, man, you missed a great event. Jace Robertson. So I was supposed to promote that a couple of days ago, but I've already given you the reason why. However, so to. Now I'm going to give you a heads up.
So on April 18th, now you do have time to put this on your schedule. I'm going to be in Abilene, Texas slash Buffalo Gap. I mean, Al, this is the gap where the buffalo ran through, you know. Oh, really? Yeah, as a historian. It's awesome. Somewhere around that area. And so if you want to join me that evening, you go to JimNedBPO.org. Kind of sounds like some of my...
Redneck buddies from childhood.
Is this guy playing poker with y'all?
Because that's a... Oh, Jim Ned, but the BPO, I think they're doing some kind of fundraiser for a high school band. So that's band something organization. So anyway, we're going to do it. So my spiritual application is... I got to thinking about this.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of baptism in the Bible?
And John probably does that more than any for sure of the gospel writers. Yeah. Because he'll just give you a little parenthetical right in the middle of a, I mean, none of the others do that. See what I'm saying?
Exactly.
He illustrates your point even more than some of the other writers.
So I think even like, you know, they tend to highlight different things. Like when he gets revealing about the spirit that is to come, well, in John 14 through 16, there's no mention of any kind of miraculous spirit. signs of the Spirit that's going to happen in the book of Acts. I mean, no mention of it. None.
And I think Luke, at the end of his, he kind of refers to, you'll be clothed with power. So he's kind of thinking, oh, this is going to be powerful. When you read John, when he's talking about the Holy Spirit, you get a different vibe. You know, it's more about... truth and comforter and counselor. So I was just going to say that. So you're saying they could miss a date? Well, right.
And that's just being a human. Yeah, it doesn't take away from the overall theme and foundation of what this is all about. It's like you start breaking down
God the Father and Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit and how this plan was woven through history, even like we're revealing through the temple and the kingdom, how are all these people connecting all these dots in their writings coming from different perspectives? And I think that's what makes it so powerful.
And so I think you see the same thing today as spirit-indwelled people, despite our flaws. God still trusts that to be the plan. We're ambassadors, and we even get some things wrong. And we don't have to have the weight of trying to get every little detail right, because there are a lot of confusing things here, because he chose flawed men to write this.
And I do like the idea of flowing into the adjustments of how life does. Just to close off my thought, March 21 to the 23rd is the weekend. We'll be in Macville, Kentucky. So I don't know if there's availability, but check with those guys. But that's exactly what you're talking about. You have to adjust because ever since this has happened last night, now we had travel.
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Chapter 4: Do unborn children go to heaven according to the Bible?
And so the difference, it's not that God used flawed men and that the scriptures are flawed. The scriptures are not. The scriptures are flawless. They are the inerrant word of God. I mean, they do not have any error. But to read them as dictated from God is to actually misunderstand what it means to have the scriptures. Each man, so you have these accounts of the gospel, for example.
And I heard it said this way one time that it's like if you have two people, two eyewitnesses watching the same exact event and then you they record what they saw. They saw a train wreck or a car wreck and the police comes and he interviews both both people, both witnesses. Those reports may have some differing things that happen, but that's not how you interpret that. You don't read it up.
Well, their stories didn't line up word for word. They're giving what they saw in their own perspective, and the Holy Spirit was working through that to record these events of the gospel, particularly in the gospels, which is where we would find... so-called discrepancies.
Um, but when it comes to like true, meaningful, like, like content in the gospels, there really is no real ultimate variation of discrepancies. There may be some things that you read in here. Well, he says it this way.
And then he says, or he might've said there was two men there. And then there, there's one, I can't remember one story, but then one of the other gospels says it was just one guy. Uh, and so, uh, I just remember seeing that one time. And they're like, well, how come he said it was two and then it was one? Right. Yeah. Well, and that's my point. They're human beings.
They're remembering it slightly different in some details. Right. But so just to piggyback on what you said, Zach, However, I realize this is God's word, and I agree. It's flawless as far as his design. But I've seen people go to the story of Job and his friends. You remember when Job was on the dung heap and he's getting advice from his three friends? Yep. Bill Dad so far. Well, look at you.
Yeah, yeah. Well, a lot of that advice you find out later, God said, was terrible advice. Yeah, it's awesome. So you could actually go there, and I've heard sermon preachers do it, and they'll quote a verse out of Job, and then I'll go over there and say, they're making this. They have built a whole doctrine over what God said was terrible advice.
Your friends are idiots.
The Bible says, and they quote a passage out of Job that actually the context is, no, that's not the point. They were wrong. They were wrong, and we're quoting a scripture as if it's right.
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Chapter 5: How does the Bible reconcile human flaws with divine inspiration?
We were told that. We were told, if you brought up the Old Testament, it doesn't apply. I mean, how many times have I heard that? It doesn't apply. It doesn't apply. I mean, the whole... It's one... I think you're... It's such a good point. And everybody, by the way, says this. That's kind of the caveat here. Everybody says... from any perspective, well, you need to read the Bible in context.
And they all accuse the other side of not reading it in context. So that can be kind of an interesting conversation. It really is.
They call it hermeneutics. It really is the study of what it meant then and there before you apply it to here and now. I mean, if you'll do that, you'll get it right more than you'll get it wrong. It reminds me, Jason, when I wrote down, I tried to come up with a different verse for every book, and I wrote down the wrong verse.
For about three events in a row in my book, because it was Luke 747 was the verse I meant to say, because the book is about forgiveness, and that's a text about forgiveness, the woman at the feet of Jesus. Well, I put John 747. for three straight events. Well, look it up. And so I'm writing this down wrong, and I realized one day I had done it. Well, then it hit me in a moment.
I thought, I've been writing down the wrong verse. And so I had no idea what John 7, 47 said.
Well, it actually says, you mean he has deceived you also, the Pharisees? Wow. And that was my verse.
Yeah, that's great. That's encouraging, man. Right.
And so nobody ever said anything except one guy sent me an email and said, man, congratulations on the new book. I'm so excited for you. I was wondering about that verse that you signed it. What does that mean? And that's when I realized what I had done. I looked at it and I thought, how do you explain that? So I said, what do you think it means? I put the old reverse on it.
Then there's a small group of people that would say it means you are a false teacher.
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Chapter 6: What can we learn from the discrepancies in biblical accounts?
But, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that. I still stand by my position that this is a different event from Mark 13 and Matthew 24. I think I got that right. You sent me about a, you know. Not Mark 13, I mean Mark... 10-page letter about that after we had this discussion earlier.
And I was like, well, next time I have two hours to research this. That's so weird. Go ahead.
I'm sorry. Yeah, it's different than Mark's account is what I meant to say. I was confused with all that discourse. But I do think that the point is, though, for me too, Jace, it was...
Seeing how this overlays with this narrative, a grand narrative of Scripture, which we didn't mention in the last podcast, but there's a reason why he quotes the Old Testament so often, even in the part where he's turning over the tables. Yeah. He says, his disciples remember that it was written, zeal for your house will consume me, which is a prophetic word out of one of the Psalms.
And so that's why you can't read this in isolation. You have to read this in more of like a meta-narrative perspective that he's continuing to go back. The New Testament continues to point back to the Old Testament.
You can't understand what is actually happening here if you pull it out of its Old Testament context of a story that has all of these different authors, which is kind of, honestly, for me, That's an evidence for the scripture that this scripture was not dictated by somebody going into a cave and receiving a dictation from God. If that's what it was, how would you ever prove that wrong? You can't.
If I told you guys that I went into a room and the Lord spoke to me and I come out with something and I said, this is what he said, there's no way that you could ever possibly prove that to be wrong. You can't prove it to be right either, and that's the problem. But with the Holy Scriptures, it's multiple authors writing over the course of hundreds of years.
And not only that, that these authors are taking the events they're talking about and they're connecting them in space and in time. That's a dangerous thing to do because if any of these events don't happen, for example, if that temple doesn't come down in AD 70, it kind of destroys Jesus' whole argument. I mean, the whole thing falls with history or stands with history.
And so the reason why the Word of God has prevailed throughout all of time is that it's true. You can't take it down. It's true. Fellas, I just ordered a seven-foot Leland cypress to go against the back part of my house. I'm beginning the border wall. I ordered it from our great friends at Fast Growing Trees. Al, you've got a few trees as well, correct?
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Chapter 7: How does context influence biblical interpretation?
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I agree.
And it's about a person who is true. Right. Which is probably the perfect segue back into... Well, I said all that to say this.
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