Phil Robertson

Chalcedony.

Chalcedony.

Amethyst is in there.

Amethyst is in there.

Well, remember, what was it back in John 2? How many gallons of wine did Jesus turn from water into wine? I mean, that's Zach's right up his alley. It's like, man, free wine. Gallons of wine. That's funny.

Well, remember, what was it back in John 2? How many gallons of wine did Jesus turn from water into wine? I mean, that's Zach's right up his alley. It's like, man, free wine. Gallons of wine. That's funny.

So, Jace, I don't know if you know this or not, but you and I were young lads, young men, I guess, in the school of preaching. And the first time I heard the word martyr was actually from you. You'd been reading a book, and you were telling me about how much it inspired you. Do you remember that?

So, Jace, I don't know if you know this or not, but you and I were young lads, young men, I guess, in the school of preaching. And the first time I heard the word martyr was actually from you. You'd been reading a book, and you were telling me about how much it inspired you. Do you remember that?

choose to give their life or have it taken from them rather than deny that jesus was who he said he was very inspiring those inspirational stories continue on because persecution is all around the world and voice of the martyrs is a group that highlights that their radio host is a guy named todd nettleton and todd has written a book that jace has there if you're watching when faith is forbidden 40 days on the front lines with persecuted christians

choose to give their life or have it taken from them rather than deny that jesus was who he said he was very inspiring those inspirational stories continue on because persecution is all around the world and voice of the martyrs is a group that highlights that their radio host is a guy named todd nettleton and todd has written a book that jace has there if you're watching when faith is forbidden 40 days on the front lines with persecuted christians

And what Todd did is he traveled around for 20 years into restricted nations to interview these courageous Christians who live their faith at great personal cost. And he told their stories. And that's what this book is about. These bold believers, what they went through for Christ, what they continue to go through for Christ, every stop on the journey.

And what Todd did is he traveled around for 20 years into restricted nations to interview these courageous Christians who live their faith at great personal cost. And he told their stories. And that's what this book is about. These bold believers, what they went through for Christ, what they continue to go through for Christ, every stop on the journey.

becomes a challenge for your walk and my walk with Christ, just to be able to be inspired by what these folks have done. So we don't want you to miss out on the opportunity. So you can request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden by calling 844-463-4059. That's 844-463-4059. Or you can visit vom.org slash unashamed. That's vom.org slash unashamed.

becomes a challenge for your walk and my walk with Christ, just to be able to be inspired by what these folks have done. So we don't want you to miss out on the opportunity. So you can request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden by calling 844-463-4059. That's 844-463-4059. Or you can visit vom.org slash unashamed. That's vom.org slash unashamed.

That's pretty good.

That's pretty good.

This is the place we are.

This is the place we are.

Well, and Jace, I thought about one thing when you were describing that. Whenever the earth flooded... Because, you know, it never rained until the flood. I mean, we never read about any rain. It said there were mists, you know, that went over and watered things. And all of a sudden, there's this massive rainfall. So the skies turned dark, 40 days and 40 nights. It's such a rain, such a flood.

Well, and Jace, I thought about one thing when you were describing that. Whenever the earth flooded... Because, you know, it never rained until the flood. I mean, we never read about any rain. It said there were mists, you know, that went over and watered things. And all of a sudden, there's this massive rainfall. So the skies turned dark, 40 days and 40 nights. It's such a rain, such a flood.

The deeps opened up. And then what was the sign? That there would be something better than just sin and death. It was refracted light through water, which is what we know as a rainbow.

The deeps opened up. And then what was the sign? That there would be something better than just sin and death. It was refracted light through water, which is what we know as a rainbow.

Exactly.

Exactly.

I love, Jase, that you described what he missed about it is the same thing. And I have to say, most of religious people and people of God miss it, too, when they misunderstand that eternal life is more about quality of life than quantity of life. I mean, we've made it more just about the idea of forever instead of the idea of forever what? Forever being the light of God.

I love, Jase, that you described what he missed about it is the same thing. And I have to say, most of religious people and people of God miss it, too, when they misunderstand that eternal life is more about quality of life than quantity of life. I mean, we've made it more just about the idea of forever instead of the idea of forever what? Forever being the light of God.

Yes, exactly.

Yes, exactly.

So as all of you know, we're all super engaged here on the Unashamed podcast in the pro-life movement. Lisa and I speak around the country. Most of our opportunities to speak are on behalf of the unborn population. And we take that as a great sense of responsibility because of our own testimony, but also because it's so needed.

So as all of you know, we're all super engaged here on the Unashamed podcast in the pro-life movement. Lisa and I speak around the country. Most of our opportunities to speak are on behalf of the unborn population. And we take that as a great sense of responsibility because of our own testimony, but also because it's so needed.

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But I also look at how the evil one tries to rob that because, I mean, remember the man of lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians, the idea he masquerades as an angel of light. It's this false light. And I think about it with the rainbow. It's like a diamond. It's like a diamond. And everybody looks at it and says, oh, or look at the rainbow. I mean, it's been hijacked.

But I also look at how the evil one tries to rob that because, I mean, remember the man of lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians, the idea he masquerades as an angel of light. It's this false light. And I think about it with the rainbow. It's like a diamond. It's like a diamond. And everybody looks at it and says, oh, or look at the rainbow. I mean, it's been hijacked.

by a lifestyle in our culture that we look at now, we see a rainbow and a flag, and everyone's like, oh, man, and we're all depressed. It was our sign first.

by a lifestyle in our culture that we look at now, we see a rainbow and a flag, and everyone's like, oh, man, and we're all depressed. It was our sign first.

Yeah, I've read this too. Your own target is you've got the right guy.

Yeah, I've read this too. Your own target is you've got the right guy.

But I was going to say, Jay, there's a, talking about culture, there's a show out right now, and someone, the only reason I'm aware of it is someone sent me a note and asked me if I'd ever heard of it. It's called The Righteous Gemstones. And I think it's on one of the premium channels on cable. And so I looked it up. I said, no. And so I looked it up.

But I was going to say, Jay, there's a, talking about culture, there's a show out right now, and someone, the only reason I'm aware of it is someone sent me a note and asked me if I'd ever heard of it. It's called The Righteous Gemstones. And I think it's on one of the premium channels on cable. And so I looked it up. I said, no. And so I looked it up.

And let's face it, Jase, some parents, and we have one, who don't like to be woken up. The rule was in our house, unless it's the president or Leonard Skinner, don't wake dad up.

And let's face it, Jase, some parents, and we have one, who don't like to be woken up. The rule was in our house, unless it's the president or Leonard Skinner, don't wake dad up.

And it's basically a spoof of, like, religious people and, like, this family of people. Their names are gemstones. But they're all fake. They're all false. And they're all just money grubbers.

And it's basically a spoof of, like, religious people and, like, this family of people. Their names are gemstones. But they're all fake. They're all false. And they're all just money grubbers.

Right, exactly. But I just thought, to your name of it, talking about these gemstones, I thought, man, that's exactly what the whole, it's always, the world is always about that, which is not real. It's the fake gemstone.

Right, exactly. But I just thought, to your name of it, talking about these gemstones, I thought, man, that's exactly what the whole, it's always, the world is always about that, which is not real. It's the fake gemstone.

No, no, James. You're looking at it the wrong way. That's okay to have because we don't look at that and say, man, that's beautiful. It sparkles. But just realize that God's gemstones are worth way more than

No, no, James. You're looking at it the wrong way. That's okay to have because we don't look at that and say, man, that's beautiful. It sparkles. But just realize that God's gemstones are worth way more than

The reason this hits home to me, Jace, is because we just had a new insurance guy. You know, our buddy Richard did our insurance and we had to tally up how much jewelry Lisa had to know an amount of what it's worth to insure it. And I was embarrassed. I thought there was over a lifetime of collection. But I was like, are you kidding? I said, we might need to have a sell off around here.

The reason this hits home to me, Jace, is because we just had a new insurance guy. You know, our buddy Richard did our insurance and we had to tally up how much jewelry Lisa had to know an amount of what it's worth to insure it. And I was embarrassed. I thought there was over a lifetime of collection. But I was like, are you kidding? I said, we might need to have a sell off around here.

But that didn't go too well with Lisa's stuff.

But that didn't go too well with Lisa's stuff.

Oh, by the way, he's got a lot of my money, that same guy. So I'm going to... Yeah, I knew this was going to go viral.

Oh, by the way, he's got a lot of my money, that same guy. So I'm going to... Yeah, I knew this was going to go viral.

Because what it's actually saying is that the idea that gold would be something is like us saying, ooh, look at that asphalt out there in my driveway.

Because what it's actually saying is that the idea that gold would be something is like us saying, ooh, look at that asphalt out there in my driveway.

No, I think that's so good, because it hits exactly... the theme that Jesus is hitting here in John 6, because they're not recognizing His light. They're not recognizing Him as light. They're recognizing Him as the Messiah.

No, I think that's so good, because it hits exactly... the theme that Jesus is hitting here in John 6, because they're not recognizing His light. They're not recognizing Him as light. They're recognizing Him as the Messiah.

And I will say this, because we've been in the Old Testament, and we're going to go there again, because this same theme I wanted to read in Deuteronomy 7, which we will on the next podcast, was way back when. You know, the idea that somehow... the people were special, but God wasn't, is a false narrative. And that's what continues to happen throughout history.

And I will say this, because we've been in the Old Testament, and we're going to go there again, because this same theme I wanted to read in Deuteronomy 7, which we will on the next podcast, was way back when. You know, the idea that somehow... the people were special, but God wasn't, is a false narrative. And that's what continues to happen throughout history.

And so that's what Jesus is trying to show them in John 6. The idea is you should know. Remember what he told Nicodemus? He said, you should know this. Exactly.

And so that's what Jesus is trying to show them in John 6. The idea is you should know. Remember what he told Nicodemus? He said, you should know this. Exactly.

Yeah, and look, it's the same way Jesus presented when he was teaching. He went back and showed that this has all been designed throughout time. And I love this picture that you created, Jace, with the idea that when the eternal shines through us, who are only eternal by the grace of God.

Yeah, and look, it's the same way Jesus presented when he was teaching. He went back and showed that this has all been designed throughout time. And I love this picture that you created, Jace, with the idea that when the eternal shines through us, who are only eternal by the grace of God.

I mean, by our own actions, by our own sinfulness, by our own mistakes, by our own frailty and our own limited nature, it can't be in us. So somehow we had to be redeemed for eternity. But that happened when we became believers and we believed in who Jesus was and he sent his spirit to live in our heart. I mean, that's the essence of where we're headed now.

I mean, by our own actions, by our own sinfulness, by our own mistakes, by our own frailty and our own limited nature, it can't be in us. So somehow we had to be redeemed for eternity. But that happened when we became believers and we believed in who Jesus was and he sent his spirit to live in our heart. I mean, that's the essence of where we're headed now.

No, that's good. So we're out of time. So you got your assignment, Unashamed Nation. Do a little look into Deuteronomy 7, 30 and 32. That's the three chapters that I wanted to highlight. And we'll touch on that. And, uh, it's, it's at some point, at some point, we're going to finish up John six, just not, just not anytime soon. Thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast.

No, that's good. So we're out of time. So you got your assignment, Unashamed Nation. Do a little look into Deuteronomy 7, 30 and 32. That's the three chapters that I wanted to highlight. And we'll touch on that. And, uh, it's, it's at some point, at some point, we're going to finish up John six, just not, just not anytime soon. Thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast.

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Now they're saying it's not a thing, but I'm saying look at Zach and Willie.

Now they're saying it's not a thing, but I'm saying look at Zach and Willie.

I was giving you an opportunity to confess your sins.

I was giving you an opportunity to confess your sins.

You know, it's interesting. I listened to mine first thing in the morning, and the very first one I listened to was Jesus on the Cross. Basically talking to John and Mary and connecting them because he was leaving. And the whole devotional thought was about your parents, what happens when you have to take care of them.

You know, it's interesting. I listened to mine first thing in the morning, and the very first one I listened to was Jesus on the Cross. Basically talking to John and Mary and connecting them because he was leaving. And the whole devotional thought was about your parents, what happens when you have to take care of them.

Welcome back to Unashamed. It's always, we just had a holiday, so we had some family down here, which is always nice to get together with family, unless you're Zach and you're, what did he call it, people? People averse? What did you call it?

Welcome back to Unashamed. It's always, we just had a holiday, so we had some family down here, which is always nice to get together with family, unless you're Zach and you're, what did he call it, people? People averse? What did you call it?

And because of what we're going through with mom and dad, it was just a super encouraging thing to get my day started. I loved it.

And because of what we're going through with mom and dad, it was just a super encouraging thing to get my day started. I loved it.

Turquoise.

Turquoise.

Which I thought, Jay, before we started, I said, are you going to wind up in Revelation? You said, yes. So I was thinking that's where you're going.

Which I thought, Jay, before we started, I said, are you going to wind up in Revelation? You said, yes. So I was thinking that's where you're going.

The tree.

The tree.

Zach is infatuated with these drones.

Zach is infatuated with these drones.

That's what I recommend. Do you think they belong to us? I mean, that's what everybody's surmising. Because the government's just acting like nobody.

That's what I recommend. Do you think they belong to us? I mean, that's what everybody's surmising. Because the government's just acting like nobody.

In you.

In you.

Have you guys seen drones that are as big as they're describing? Because they're talking about them being as big as a vehicle. Like an SUV. An SUV. Have y'all ever seen them that big? I've never seen one that big before.

Have you guys seen drones that are as big as they're describing? Because they're talking about them being as big as a vehicle. Like an SUV. An SUV. Have y'all ever seen them that big? I've never seen one that big before.

I was going to ask them. One of my questions was, how did you meet and how did you become friends? Because obviously we've known Chad for a bit. We didn't know you. But once I looked into your story... Amazing. You were Navy SEAL. I guess you're always a Navy SEAL, right? Because that's something. You're not like you were. You are.

I was going to ask them. One of my questions was, how did you meet and how did you become friends? Because obviously we've known Chad for a bit. We didn't know you. But once I looked into your story... Amazing. You were Navy SEAL. I guess you're always a Navy SEAL, right? Because that's something. You're not like you were. You are.

So we were talking before we came on, Chad, about your running, just so I can bring this up. And you said, well, my favorite race is 100 miles in the mountains. And I was like, a hundred miles in the mountains. So tell us what kind of racing we're talking about.

So we were talking before we came on, Chad, about your running, just so I can bring this up. And you said, well, my favorite race is 100 miles in the mountains. And I was like, a hundred miles in the mountains. So tell us what kind of racing we're talking about.

To meet with some of your brothers and sisters.

To meet with some of your brothers and sisters.

Well, it was on the movie too, Dad.

Well, it was on the movie too, Dad.

Dad said the only thing that it won't work against is a horse.

Dad said the only thing that it won't work against is a horse.

I've never really thought about that.

I've never really thought about that.

So Robichaux, you have obviously did your MMA fighter, jujitsu now. Did you ever do any running?

So Robichaux, you have obviously did your MMA fighter, jujitsu now. Did you ever do any running?

Yeah, corporate worship.

Yeah, corporate worship.

Nowhere.

Nowhere.

You couldn't just shoot it. You couldn't. I mean, the things you would do in normal warfare won't work.

You couldn't just shoot it. You couldn't. I mean, the things you would do in normal warfare won't work.

Hugs are welcome. Who doesn't want a good hug?

Hugs are welcome. Who doesn't want a good hug?

Look at the blessing of that from the power of the Holy Spirit. It's interesting because I was going to ask you guys about Ephesians 6 because we just studied Ephesians last time on the podcast last year. And, you know, you have that section about armor.

Look at the blessing of that from the power of the Holy Spirit. It's interesting because I was going to ask you guys about Ephesians 6 because we just studied Ephesians last time on the podcast last year. And, you know, you have that section about armor.

Obviously, it's a military thing, and it's connected to Roman soldiers, and you've got all these different comparisons to spiritual things, to physical things. But it closes with three verses on prayer. Way more Paul talks about prayer in that context than he does any of the other sort of defensive weapons that you're talking about, the helmet of salvation, the sword of truth.

Obviously, it's a military thing, and it's connected to Roman soldiers, and you've got all these different comparisons to spiritual things, to physical things. But it closes with three verses on prayer. Way more Paul talks about prayer in that context than he does any of the other sort of defensive weapons that you're talking about, the helmet of salvation, the sword of truth.

So it is interesting that you brought that up, that that really is our first and greatest – weapon in spiritual warfare is prayer.

So it is interesting that you brought that up, that that really is our first and greatest – weapon in spiritual warfare is prayer.

It's the only time, in my opinion, that you engage all the deity, the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit at the same time. And I think about that Romans 8, you know, where the Spirit interprets what we can't even say because we're human beings that is so much bigger than us. So that idea of having all the whole Godhead in a conversation at one time is powerful because, you know, we cry out for help.

It's the only time, in my opinion, that you engage all the deity, the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit at the same time. And I think about that Romans 8, you know, where the Spirit interprets what we can't even say because we're human beings that is so much bigger than us. So that idea of having all the whole Godhead in a conversation at one time is powerful because, you know, we cry out for help.

We thank Jesus for saving us. But when you're In a conversation with a Godhead, I mean, there's nothing better. We've talked a little bit about your story in the past, but when you came to Christ, was it something similar?

We thank Jesus for saving us. But when you're In a conversation with a Godhead, I mean, there's nothing better. We've talked a little bit about your story in the past, but when you came to Christ, was it something similar?

Okay.

Okay.

Pretty much just throw a rock at any of us.

Pretty much just throw a rock at any of us.

Yeah, you remind me a lot, Chad, of Dad. And I love what you said, Chad, right, about his heart for people. That's what we saw in Dad. Once he figured it out and once he saw that and that life change, then he decided the rest of his life was going to be helping people find what I found.

Yeah, you remind me a lot, Chad, of Dad. And I love what you said, Chad, right, about his heart for people. That's what we saw in Dad. Once he figured it out and once he saw that and that life change, then he decided the rest of his life was going to be helping people find what I found.

New people, yeah.

New people, yeah.

Or like our good friend that went to school that called you Willie.

Or like our good friend that went to school that called you Willie.

You mean weirder than the people at this table?

You mean weirder than the people at this table?

Well, it's even birthed our church into being a place where it's like, You know, the people that other churches say, we don't know what to do with this person. Someone will say, we'll send them down there to WFR. They'll take anybody. I want to be the place that will take anybody. You know, I mean, that seems like a Jesus kind of place to me to be there.

Well, it's even birthed our church into being a place where it's like, You know, the people that other churches say, we don't know what to do with this person. Someone will say, we'll send them down there to WFR. They'll take anybody. I want to be the place that will take anybody. You know, I mean, that seems like a Jesus kind of place to me to be there.

So I want to ask you guys something because we don't have a lot of time left on this podcast, but. You know, we've been studying Colossians 3, which talks about the new life, the old life you walk away from, the elements. And he has a whole long list of all the stuff you do in that old life. We're all sitting here realizing what that is. Then he talks about this new life. That you both described.

So I want to ask you guys something because we don't have a lot of time left on this podcast, but. You know, we've been studying Colossians 3, which talks about the new life, the old life you walk away from, the elements. And he has a whole long list of all the stuff you do in that old life. We're all sitting here realizing what that is. Then he talks about this new life. That you both described.

And then it's interesting because it goes right into family, goes right into wives and husbands, children, how you parent, how they respond to you and even your career and work situation. So I want to ask you guys, I mean, you obviously both spend a lot of time deployed as young men in service to our country. And so I know that had to have been hard.

And then it's interesting because it goes right into family, goes right into wives and husbands, children, how you parent, how they respond to you and even your career and work situation. So I want to ask you guys, I mean, you obviously both spend a lot of time deployed as young men in service to our country. And so I know that had to have been hard.

You're away from your family and yet, you know, you're coming back. And then all of a sudden you find Christ. How has that changed you? in terms of being a husband, being a father, just being a man of God in your own family. I mean, what's been the biggest change there for you?

You're away from your family and yet, you know, you're coming back. And then all of a sudden you find Christ. How has that changed you? in terms of being a husband, being a father, just being a man of God in your own family. I mean, what's been the biggest change there for you?

Which, by the way, AI says... It says, AI, a church service is called a service because it is a gathering of Christians to worship God and receive the word of God.

Which, by the way, AI says... It says, AI, a church service is called a service because it is a gathering of Christians to worship God and receive the word of God.

I don't know. That's a terrible definition. That's what AI said.

I don't know. That's a terrible definition. That's what AI said.

I love that. And you both, it sounds like, wound up landing in the same spot, which, by the way, is exactly what Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3 give us the example for. because we serve our wives as Christ loves us and serves us. I mean, he gave his life for us. The ultimate sacrifice and the ultimate selfless move, he did it. He says that's what he did.

I love that. And you both, it sounds like, wound up landing in the same spot, which, by the way, is exactly what Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3 give us the example for. because we serve our wives as Christ loves us and serves us. I mean, he gave his life for us. The ultimate sacrifice and the ultimate selfless move, he did it. He says that's what he did.

Even enemies, which is powerful. So look, as we wrap up here, man, what a conversation. This went super fast.

Even enemies, which is powerful. So look, as we wrap up here, man, what a conversation. This went super fast.

So you've got, we've talked about your books. You got a new fiction series coming out. I do.

So you've got, we've talked about your books. You got a new fiction series coming out. I do.

I can't wait to get into it because I love fictional stuff, especially I'm assuming it's like military.

I can't wait to get into it because I love fictional stuff, especially I'm assuming it's like military.

I like Jack Carr, Brad Thor, I read him. Ryan Stack is a co-writer. Yeah, Ryan's awesome. Ryan's a great guy, so I read him as well.

I like Jack Carr, Brad Thor, I read him. Ryan Stack is a co-writer. Yeah, Ryan's awesome. Ryan's a great guy, so I read him as well.

I'm so excited to see you get into this because I just think you'll have a perspective that will make some really good reading. Um, podcast, what are you doing? A podcast?

I'm so excited to see you get into this because I just think you'll have a perspective that will make some really good reading. Um, podcast, what are you doing? A podcast?

Jersey is the sub.

Jersey is the sub.

And what's your podcast?

And what's your podcast?

There's a name.

There's a name.

The only one I've known close to that is seven of nine. She was on Star Trek, but that's another story.

The only one I've known close to that is seven of nine. She was on Star Trek, but that's another story.

It's great having you guys on. Always welcome here. It's a great honor. Yeah, in the Duck Commander land. We love being here. We love you guys.

It's great having you guys on. Always welcome here. It's a great honor. Yeah, in the Duck Commander land. We love being here. We love you guys.

Yeah. So I will say this. I'll leave with this because there was a little back and forth back with Jay and Jace, and I don't know where all this started, but there were a lot of our fans wanting them to get into a physical battle with each other. I don't know where – Jace, were you aware of this? No. It was going with the back and forth with the duck call room. So, Chad, you know both.

Yeah. So I will say this. I'll leave with this because there was a little back and forth back with Jay and Jace, and I don't know where all this started, but there were a lot of our fans wanting them to get into a physical battle with each other. I don't know where – Jace, were you aware of this? No. It was going with the back and forth with the duck call room. So, Chad, you know both.

You know Jay and jujitsu and all that. Does Jace need to get into a physical altercation with Jace Stone?

You know Jay and jujitsu and all that. Does Jace need to get into a physical altercation with Jace Stone?

That's why Chad Wright is the man you look to. Just running the hills for 100 miles. Time to shoot. Nobody's catching you. Jay's getting good at jiu-jitsu.

That's why Chad Wright is the man you look to. Just running the hills for 100 miles. Time to shoot. Nobody's catching you. Jay's getting good at jiu-jitsu.

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Your dad's been trying to nix that phrase for years.

Your dad's been trying to nix that phrase for years.

Yeah, a little cubby home.

Yeah, a little cubby home.

So it was Missy and I. So you did your little staircase sermon.

So it was Missy and I. So you did your little staircase sermon.

Which, by the way, is why you go. You never know.

Which, by the way, is why you go. You never know.

Because I was like... That's a good ratio, by the way.

Because I was like... That's a good ratio, by the way.

Well, you can't go because we are the church.

Well, you can't go because we are the church.

How does the church go to the church?

How does the church go to the church?

You know, it sounded like service to me, Jase, because you were of service to these people.

You know, it sounded like service to me, Jase, because you were of service to these people.

Welcome back to Unashamed. We're back in the lair, Jace. You're back in the duck blind. Does life seem normal again to you?

Welcome back to Unashamed. We're back in the lair, Jace. You're back in the duck blind. Does life seem normal again to you?

And just to let you know, we're going to bring our guest on here. We're continuing our Unashamed Bible Study because a lot of you come every week. And so Joe's going to continue to lead that. Obviously, Dad can't do that. And then once a month, the first Sunday of every month, we're going to try to have a little celebration for you guys.

And just to let you know, we're going to bring our guest on here. We're continuing our Unashamed Bible Study because a lot of you come every week. And so Joe's going to continue to lead that. Obviously, Dad can't do that. And then once a month, the first Sunday of every month, we're going to try to have a little celebration for you guys.

Whoever of us is in town, I'm going to be here on January 5th, the first one. And so, you know, we just encourage you guys, you want to come check us out, check WFRI. Just like this family obviously did.

Whoever of us is in town, I'm going to be here on January 5th, the first one. And so, you know, we just encourage you guys, you want to come check us out, check WFRI. Just like this family obviously did.

That's a fill line.

That's a fill line.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was a divine appointment for these folks.

It was a divine appointment for these folks.

And even them blessing you with their confession. All right, so we're going to take a break. When we come back, we've got two very special guests, and we'll introduce them. So when a woman experiences an unplanned pregnancy, she often feels alone and afraid. And so many times her first response is to seek out an abortion. But because of you and your generosity,

And even them blessing you with their confession. All right, so we're going to take a break. When we come back, we've got two very special guests, and we'll introduce them. So when a woman experiences an unplanned pregnancy, she often feels alone and afraid. And so many times her first response is to seek out an abortion. But because of you and your generosity,

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That search may lead her to a pre-born network clinic where she'll choose life, and not just for her baby, but for herself. And that's the secret of this. It's not, you know, we're protecting life, but the life of the mom and the life of the baby, of course.

Pre-born offers God's love and compassion to hurting women and then provides a free ultrasound to introduce them to the life growing inside them. We get a lot of great stories from our friends at pre-born. One of those is Paige's story. When Paige found out she was pregnant, she didn't feel she could afford a child.

Pre-born offers God's love and compassion to hurting women and then provides a free ultrasound to introduce them to the life growing inside them. We get a lot of great stories from our friends at pre-born. One of those is Paige's story. When Paige found out she was pregnant, she didn't feel she could afford a child.

The father threatened to make her have an abortion, but when her mother found out, she introduced her to a preborn network clinic. At the clinic... Paige was given the support and resources she needed to help her choose life, and the father there even started attending parenting classes with her. Now they're raising a beautiful son together. We love stories like that, and we love this ministry.

The father threatened to make her have an abortion, but when her mother found out, she introduced her to a preborn network clinic. At the clinic... Paige was given the support and resources she needed to help her choose life, and the father there even started attending parenting classes with her. Now they're raising a beautiful son together. We love stories like that, and we love this ministry.

God does not live in buildings made by men's hands?

God does not live in buildings made by men's hands?

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I think it's your third time to be here.

I think it's your third time to be here.

Get your applause. And Chad Wright is joining us. And Chad has two Ds. Chad, you're the only Chad I've ever known that has two Ds. Is there a reason why you're a Chad with two Ds? Well, my mama's just a little crazy. You're all from North Georgia, right?

Get your applause. And Chad Wright is joining us. And Chad has two Ds. Chad, you're the only Chad I've ever known that has two Ds. Is there a reason why you're a Chad with two Ds? Well, my mama's just a little crazy. You're all from North Georgia, right?

Yeah, you have to draw it out a little bit.

Yeah, you have to draw it out a little bit.

I found out he'll come to a nice big steak. Yeah, or Chick-fil-A biscuit.

I found out he'll come to a nice big steak. Yeah, or Chick-fil-A biscuit.

Yeah, it was just as good the second time. Chad's a runner, by the way, so we'll talk about that.

Yeah, it was just as good the second time. Chad's a runner, by the way, so we'll talk about that.

And muggy, just like very, very muggy.

And muggy, just like very, very muggy.

And wrote several books in the New Testament.

And wrote several books in the New Testament.

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. I was mentioning that I was on a previous podcast. I was in Nebraska earlier this week, and it was interesting because we were they'd sent a note. You know, there's people that kind of handle us going places. And so she sent me a note from the organizer of the event.

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. I was mentioning that I was on a previous podcast. I was in Nebraska earlier this week, and it was interesting because we were they'd sent a note. You know, there's people that kind of handle us going places. And so she sent me a note from the organizer of the event.

Only in Louisiana do you need waterproof slippers.

Only in Louisiana do you need waterproof slippers.

And they'd come running to me.

And they'd come running to me.

But I like that, too, that to continue your David analogy. I never thought about it like that.

But I like that, too, that to continue your David analogy. I never thought about it like that.

Also, even you were talking about having a period where you were, you know, away from what you learned early to then be in your own lifestyle and how that led you to nowhere, which is a lot like David when he went on like a three year run, you know, where he was looking for the flesh, you know, that led him into the whole Bathsheba situation. He comes back.

Also, even you were talking about having a period where you were, you know, away from what you learned early to then be in your own lifestyle and how that led you to nowhere, which is a lot like David when he went on like a three year run, you know, where he was looking for the flesh, you know, that led him into the whole Bathsheba situation. He comes back.

I'm just saying. But Jase is right. You walk through a yard in Louisiana, if it's a recent rain, it's going to go up three or four inches.

I'm just saying. But Jase is right. You walk through a yard in Louisiana, if it's a recent rain, it's going to go up three or four inches.

And he writes Psalm 51, which Lisa and I affectionately call truth vomit now.

And he writes Psalm 51, which Lisa and I affectionately call truth vomit now.

Because it's just like, here it is. I mean, it comes out, and you feel better after you let it go because you held all that in. Yeah. And so only then can you see the clarity of how God would have you shepherding ducks or whatever sheep to get you ready for what he wants you to do. And you look back through the Bible, and it happened over and over and over again.

Because it's just like, here it is. I mean, it comes out, and you feel better after you let it go because you held all that in. Yeah. And so only then can you see the clarity of how God would have you shepherding ducks or whatever sheep to get you ready for what he wants you to do. And you look back through the Bible, and it happened over and over and over again.

It was like Moses, who was ready to lead, and man, he's young, he's strong, he knows all the military stuff. And then God's like, no, you're going to need 40 years for getting how to speak. In the wilderness. In the wilderness, taking care of some sheep, and then I can use you.

It was like Moses, who was ready to lead, and man, he's young, he's strong, he knows all the military stuff. And then God's like, no, you're going to need 40 years for getting how to speak. In the wilderness. In the wilderness, taking care of some sheep, and then I can use you.

Well, I'm down here on the Gulf Coast, so I like a coastal vibe. So Lisa and I got a palm tree and also some fruit trees that are doing amazing.

Well, I'm down here on the Gulf Coast, so I like a coastal vibe. So Lisa and I got a palm tree and also some fruit trees that are doing amazing.

He would come in from a squirrel hunt, and he was very successful. This is back in the day when we were – living off the squirrels. This is when he was the squirrel commander. Yeah, yeah.

He would come in from a squirrel hunt, and he was very successful. This is back in the day when we were – living off the squirrels. This is when he was the squirrel commander. Yeah, yeah.

So you're talking about... Nor did I, who've known him his whole life. And so we were beginning the early process of doing an instrumental service at our church. And at this time, I was still there. I still was working there. And I come in... And literally, you know, they're playing and someone is singing. But I'm kind of off to the side.

So you're talking about... Nor did I, who've known him his whole life. And so we were beginning the early process of doing an instrumental service at our church. And at this time, I was still there. I still was working there. And I come in... And literally, you know, they're playing and someone is singing. But I'm kind of off to the side.

And there's these poles in our fellowship center that kind of block your view from certain positions. And so you were blocked. And so I was listening. I thought, man, this guy's pretty good. But I couldn't see it. You didn't know who it was. I didn't know who it was. And finally, I peeked around the pole to see who it was. And it was Reeves. And I was like, I was stunned.

And there's these poles in our fellowship center that kind of block your view from certain positions. And so you were blocked. And so I was listening. I thought, man, this guy's pretty good. But I couldn't see it. You didn't know who it was. I didn't know who it was. And finally, I peeked around the pole to see who it was. And it was Reeves. And I was like, I was stunned.

I was like, Riesling's worship?

I was like, Riesling's worship?

Yeah. There was a thorn removal. Yeah, and mom would have this bright light And she would be there with a couple of needles because she would usually, it would take a couple because she would literally dull a needle on his feet because it was like he had these pads on the bottom. And she would pick thorns out of his feet. How many times did we see that, Des? I mean, it was, I'd say a hundred.

Yeah. There was a thorn removal. Yeah, and mom would have this bright light And she would be there with a couple of needles because she would usually, it would take a couple because she would literally dull a needle on his feet because it was like he had these pads on the bottom. And she would pick thorns out of his feet. How many times did we see that, Des? I mean, it was, I'd say a hundred.

Yeah, I would too. It was amazing. Did y'all like the squirrel, by the way? Y'all like to eat them? Love squirrel.

Yeah, I would too. It was amazing. Did y'all like the squirrel, by the way? Y'all like to eat them? Love squirrel.

But I also think sometimes just from a person who knows nothing about being able to plan or, you know, do worship like you guys do it, but as a recipient, I guess you would say, and participant at the same time, I think about that, like you said, everything is about trying to somehow, when you think about praise, is that everybody's always in the best mood at all possible times.

But I also think sometimes just from a person who knows nothing about being able to plan or, you know, do worship like you guys do it, but as a recipient, I guess you would say, and participant at the same time, I think about that, like you said, everything is about trying to somehow, when you think about praise, is that everybody's always in the best mood at all possible times.

And it does, my favorite text in the Bible about worship, and it's not, you know, people have talked about it before, but it's my favorite, is in Job 1.

And it does, my favorite text in the Bible about worship, and it's not, you know, people have talked about it before, but it's my favorite, is in Job 1.

When Job gets on the worst day of his life, when he lost everything, all possessions, everything he knew at that point, and including his children, it says in verse 20, he fell to the ground in worship. And said, and here was his song, naked I came from my mother's womb, naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away. May the name of the Lord be praised.

When Job gets on the worst day of his life, when he lost everything, all possessions, everything he knew at that point, and including his children, it says in verse 20, he fell to the ground in worship. And said, and here was his song, naked I came from my mother's womb, naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away. May the name of the Lord be praised.

Mom did.

Mom did.

And I think about the reason I always spoke so much to me is that, you know, we tend to think of worship and praise only on the best days of our life. And even if we're not there, we try to kind of fake it to get there. But what about the worst days? I mean, are you still able to recognize who God is and still give him praise?

And I think about the reason I always spoke so much to me is that, you know, we tend to think of worship and praise only on the best days of our life. And even if we're not there, we try to kind of fake it to get there. But what about the worst days? I mean, are you still able to recognize who God is and still give him praise?

And that's always stuck in my mind that no matter how I gather with people or even if I'm just on my own, you know, I do some of my best praising on airplanes. You know, when I'm just I got my noise cancellation to cut everything out. And I feel like I'm a few miles closer to, you know, leaving the planet.

And that's always stuck in my mind that no matter how I gather with people or even if I'm just on my own, you know, I do some of my best praising on airplanes. You know, when I'm just I got my noise cancellation to cut everything out. And I feel like I'm a few miles closer to, you know, leaving the planet.

And I just have some moments, you know, just that's I mean, because in those moments is when sometimes you make those connections. So I love that what you're saying, because you're right.

And I just have some moments, you know, just that's I mean, because in those moments is when sometimes you make those connections. So I love that what you're saying, because you're right.

So I had a question for you. I want to ask you because of what you guys have already said about your experiences for LO and worship. You had a strange opportunity.

So I had a question for you. I want to ask you because of what you guys have already said about your experiences for LO and worship. You had a strange opportunity.

this last year uh by getting an opportunity you and max to go on american idol which which in in in our culture you know and i don't know how long american i was been on television but but it's been at least a decade y'all's whole life no it was it started the year before i was born wow so two decades yeah

this last year uh by getting an opportunity you and max to go on american idol which which in in in our culture you know and i don't know how long american i was been on television but but it's been at least a decade y'all's whole life no it was it started the year before i was born wow so two decades yeah

So, and it has produced a lot of really famous singers now that were people that have been on the show. Not necessarily one, just were on it. So I'd love to know, because we didn't talk a lot about it because your dad couldn't talk much about it when you guys were doing it. So I'm curious now as the experiences you're having on the worship side and where God has taken you here lately.

So, and it has produced a lot of really famous singers now that were people that have been on the show. Not necessarily one, just were on it. So I'd love to know, because we didn't talk a lot about it because your dad couldn't talk much about it when you guys were doing it. So I'm curious now as the experiences you're having on the worship side and where God has taken you here lately.

How would you compare that experience of doing that? What was your mindset going in? I don't know. I'm just I'm curious.

How would you compare that experience of doing that? What was your mindset going in? I don't know. I'm just I'm curious.

It's always, when it comes to game, or really even. He didn't put it at the top of the game. Well, I'm saying.

It's always, when it comes to game, or really even. He didn't put it at the top of the game. Well, I'm saying.

Well, right. But I was about to say, when it comes to rodents, it's the same with game. It's all about what they're eating. The reason you don't eat rats is they're eating garbage and stuff like that. Squirrels eat nuts, and they're eating good stuff.

Well, right. But I was about to say, when it comes to rodents, it's the same with game. It's all about what they're eating. The reason you don't eat rats is they're eating garbage and stuff like that. Squirrels eat nuts, and they're eating good stuff.

She said that they were wearing all of their board members and because this is a pregnancy center. And all of our board members and the staff of this little small place was wearing camo. for the event. And so she didn't say anything about us, but instantly when I received that, I thought, well, why would they tell me that? Are they wanting us to wear camo?

She said that they were wearing all of their board members and because this is a pregnancy center. And all of our board members and the staff of this little small place was wearing camo. for the event. And so she didn't say anything about us, but instantly when I received that, I thought, well, why would they tell me that? Are they wanting us to wear camo?

No, because they eat out of trash cans.

No, because they eat out of trash cans.

But it's almost like God needed you to take a look and take a peek because you might have always wondered otherwise what the other side would have been like. I think so too.

But it's almost like God needed you to take a look and take a peek because you might have always wondered otherwise what the other side would have been like. I think so too.

Ignatius. You've got to explain. If you hear crickets, that means you've got to explain. We do this quite often when Zach is on the podcast.

Ignatius. You've got to explain. If you hear crickets, that means you've got to explain. We do this quite often when Zach is on the podcast.

She didn't know. I didn't hear either. That's hilarious.

She didn't know. I didn't hear either. That's hilarious.

Your mom deserves one. So yes, you will get one.

Your mom deserves one. So yes, you will get one.

One of the most important things that inspires us is the courage of other people who undergo persecution for their faith.

One of the most important things that inspires us is the courage of other people who undergo persecution for their faith.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, and it's not just, you know, from the past, the things we read about in the Bible or in the first and second century. I mean, these things are going on today. And so Todd Nettleton, who is the Voice of the Martyrs radio host, he wrote the book that you have there, When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians. And it was basically just a 20-year journey.

You know, and it's not just, you know, from the past, the things we read about in the Bible or in the first and second century. I mean, these things are going on today. And so Todd Nettleton, who is the Voice of the Martyrs radio host, he wrote the book that you have there, When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians. And it was basically just a 20-year journey.

of him going into about 20 restricted nations. In those nations, he was finding amazing people that had stood on the principle of their faith, even when it cost them everything. Some their lives, some their freedom, And everybody, it costs them something. And so it's a great way to be inspired, to be encouraged.

of him going into about 20 restricted nations. In those nations, he was finding amazing people that had stood on the principle of their faith, even when it cost them everything. Some their lives, some their freedom, And everybody, it costs them something. And so it's a great way to be inspired, to be encouraged.

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Because he's wearing an orange hat?

Because he's wearing an orange hat?

Well, you mentioned it. I love the word used. It's the wellspring. Yeah. The words of, of the Bible, the words of God, our Holy Spirit carried along over thousands of years. They still impact. And so what I love about it is, to your point, is that that's the wellspring for any bit of inspiration. You guys happen to have a gift and a talent in singing and music. For me, it's speaking.

Well, you mentioned it. I love the word used. It's the wellspring. Yeah. The words of, of the Bible, the words of God, our Holy Spirit carried along over thousands of years. They still impact. And so what I love about it is, to your point, is that that's the wellspring for any bit of inspiration. You guys happen to have a gift and a talent in singing and music. For me, it's speaking.

So, I mean, I look at the Bible the same way for speaking. I would never run out of something to say because there's so much more than I could ever say. That's our podcast. That's what I'm saying.

So, I mean, I look at the Bible the same way for speaking. I would never run out of something to say because there's so much more than I could ever say. That's our podcast. That's what I'm saying.

Well, when they first approached us, Dad, initially about, you know, Zach and I had a production company, and they were like, Phil, we want you to do a podcast. And they were, like, thinking about content. And immediately I said, well, we need to do the Bible because we'll never run out of content. And I remember a conversation I had with a preacher one time, and he said –

Well, when they first approached us, Dad, initially about, you know, Zach and I had a production company, and they were like, Phil, we want you to do a podcast. And they were, like, thinking about content. And immediately I said, well, we need to do the Bible because we'll never run out of content. And I remember a conversation I had with a preacher one time, and he said –

well, it must be nice to be in a church where your family is in leadership and, you know, you've always got job security. And I thought, what does that mean? Yeah, I didn't know what he was talking about. And he said, well, I mean, I can never be in a place more than about five years because I'm running out of sermons.

well, it must be nice to be in a church where your family is in leadership and, you know, you've always got job security. And I thought, what does that mean? Yeah, I didn't know what he was talking about. And he said, well, I mean, I can never be in a place more than about five years because I'm running out of sermons.

And I thought, Well, you've got the wrong inspiration because I'm never going to run out of service. It doesn't matter whether I'm at a place I have family or not. Like, it is a wellspring of life change. And the beauty of it is you change. I mean, you guys have been married in the last few years. Was that a big change? I mean, everything you do in life. They're not married to each other.

And I thought, Well, you've got the wrong inspiration because I'm never going to run out of service. It doesn't matter whether I'm at a place I have family or not. Like, it is a wellspring of life change. And the beauty of it is you change. I mean, you guys have been married in the last few years. Was that a big change? I mean, everything you do in life. They're not married to each other.

Not to each other.

Not to each other.

So tell us this in the last couple of minutes. Where do you feel like, what's the thing God has taught you most recently that you're using now to do this music and do everything else? Where's God got you in the moment?

So tell us this in the last couple of minutes. Where do you feel like, what's the thing God has taught you most recently that you're using now to do this music and do everything else? Where's God got you in the moment?

Versace stone is for.

Versace stone is for.

What about you?

What about you?

You just kind of pan fry them to sear them and then you put them in your onions and your gravy. But it's funny because they're like a lot of game. The legs are really the only meat. Well, the back, I mean, don't they have it on the back?

You just kind of pan fry them to sear them and then you put them in your onions and your gravy. But it's funny because they're like a lot of game. The legs are really the only meat. Well, the back, I mean, don't they have it on the back?

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Yeah. So mom would boil them and then take the water off the boil like you would a chicken to do that.

Yeah. So mom would boil them and then take the water off the boil like you would a chicken to do that.

So it's funny. One time we went to New York to do a show, and I think it was Wendy Williams used to be a person that had a television show. And so mom and dad and maybe some others were going to be on her show. Well, she wanted squirrel. So they sent word ahead from mom to cook and bring squirrel. Well, she did, but she just pan fried some. But you're going all the way to New York.

So it's funny. One time we went to New York to do a show, and I think it was Wendy Williams used to be a person that had a television show. And so mom and dad and maybe some others were going to be on her show. Well, she wanted squirrel. So they sent word ahead from mom to cook and bring squirrel. Well, she did, but she just pan fried some. But you're going all the way to New York.

So it was like two days before we actually got in the studio. And so it obviously wasn't going to be the best it'd be if you serve it. But she wanted to try it, but she took it and she bit down right on the shoulder. of that squirrel that had been made like two days earlier, and she kind of was crunching around trying to eat it.

So it was like two days before we actually got in the studio. And so it obviously wasn't going to be the best it'd be if you serve it. But she wanted to try it, but she took it and she bit down right on the shoulder. of that squirrel that had been made like two days earlier, and she kind of was crunching around trying to eat it.

It was so funny because it was like there was some meat on there, but she went right for the bone on that shoulder.

It was so funny because it was like there was some meat on there, but she went right for the bone on that shoulder.

So the experience wasn't very good for it. I thought, yeah, but when you're trying to eat a bug. But it made great TV. It was good TV. It made good TV.

So the experience wasn't very good for it. I thought, yeah, but when you're trying to eat a bug. But it made great TV. It was good TV. It made good TV.

Because in the early days when we were doing events, I would always wear camo to the events because there were a lot of sportsman's banquets and things like that. So it was kind of my modus operandi, but I hadn't done that recently because these are usually banquets, and so we just kind of dressed in our normal clothes. So I sent a note back, finally connected with the person.

Because in the early days when we were doing events, I would always wear camo to the events because there were a lot of sportsman's banquets and things like that. So it was kind of my modus operandi, but I hadn't done that recently because these are usually banquets, and so we just kind of dressed in our normal clothes. So I sent a note back, finally connected with the person.

I thought that was just like people jumping around.

I thought that was just like people jumping around.

Ooh. Which makes people jump. Yeah.

Ooh. Which makes people jump. Yeah.

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It's 90 acres, about 15 miles from where we're sitting. In the wilderness. In the wilderness. But there have been so many lives transformed on this 90 acres. Because so many years through the years, we've done camp out there. I was a spiritual director there. I've been there for 10 years. My era was in the 90s, and everybody's kind of spent different time working there.

But now, because of our family's influence and doing it, we get to do a lot of this outdoor stuff, which is really, really cool. We didn't have that before. This has been a fairly new thing the last few years. To actually get in the woods and teach people about archery and fishing and all this stuff.

But now, because of our family's influence and doing it, we get to do a lot of this outdoor stuff, which is really, really cool. We didn't have that before. This has been a fairly new thing the last few years. To actually get in the woods and teach people about archery and fishing and all this stuff.

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Layla's here. Layla, what's your last name now?

Layla's here. Layla, what's your last name now?

Oh, really?

Oh, really?

And by the way, I literally watched these two from the womb, as they say, grow up into amazing people that love the Lord. Now they're both married, which I want to ask about that too later. Yeah. fantastic example of what happens when you have community, when you have faith leading your family, when you teach these things going forward.

And by the way, I literally watched these two from the womb, as they say, grow up into amazing people that love the Lord. Now they're both married, which I want to ask about that too later. Yeah. fantastic example of what happens when you have community, when you have faith leading your family, when you teach these things going forward.

And as Zach said, we were able to even do that with Reese through, you know, you become a college student here, uh, working at Camp Chioca, all the different ways we've had into your life. So just two great examples of what we're talking about on the podcast all the time. It's important. If you don't have that going on in your own family, uh, You don't have community.

And as Zach said, we were able to even do that with Reese through, you know, you become a college student here, uh, working at Camp Chioca, all the different ways we've had into your life. So just two great examples of what we're talking about on the podcast all the time. It's important. If you don't have that going on in your own family, uh, You don't have community.

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Because whenever I heard LO, I thought laugh out loud because that's what we do all the time at your dad's wedding.

Because whenever I heard LO, I thought laugh out loud because that's what we do all the time at your dad's wedding.

I'd be really uncomfortable. I think it would make me really uncomfortable if you started like, being real, like, affirming and, like, I think I would feel like that wouldn't sit right with me.

I'd be really uncomfortable. I think it would make me really uncomfortable if you started like, being real, like, affirming and, like, I think I would feel like that wouldn't sit right with me.

And then every time I fly with him, he reminds me of that. Exactly. He said, if this plane goes down, he's like, you realize the headline.

And then every time I fly with him, he reminds me of that. Exactly. He said, if this plane goes down, he's like, you realize the headline.

We need to have Jimmy on the podcast.

We need to have Jimmy on the podcast.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, right.

I was at a men's conference.

I was at a men's conference.

I was at a men's retreat. With the inventor of the crappie magnet. I love that dude. Yeah.

I was at a men's retreat. With the inventor of the crappie magnet. I love that dude. Yeah.

Yeah, Jess Smith. The trout magnet. He does all the... Check his products out there.

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Born of water and spirit.

Born of water and spirit.

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The language in 1 Peter 3 is just so helpful for me when you start thinking about baptism. I think if you get focused on the physical act of it, and I do think there is some kind of sacramental, and the debate is, is baptism a sacrament, which means, is it a means of grace, or Is it an ordinance, meaning is it an expression of grace? I think it's maybe a little bit of both, honestly.

The language in 1 Peter 3 is just so helpful for me when you start thinking about baptism. I think if you get focused on the physical act of it, and I do think there is some kind of sacramental, and the debate is, is baptism a sacrament, which means, is it a means of grace, or Is it an ordinance, meaning is it an expression of grace? I think it's maybe a little bit of both, honestly.

Well, I mean, we grew up in a church that the question was always – well, it wasn't a question. It was like, do you have to be baptized to be saved?

Well, I mean, we grew up in a church that the question was always – well, it wasn't a question. It was like, do you have to be baptized to be saved?

That's a good point. It is a transitional period. And I think really we don't have the, I'll say the faith that we live in now. Right. It really wasn't inaugurated until Acts 2, until the Holy Spirit came. So the death of Jesus had not occurred yet. The burial had not occurred yet. The resurrection had not occurred yet in this text.

That's a good point. It is a transitional period. And I think really we don't have the, I'll say the faith that we live in now. Right. It really wasn't inaugurated until Acts 2, until the Holy Spirit came. So the death of Jesus had not occurred yet. The burial had not occurred yet. The resurrection had not occurred yet in this text.

But I go back to Matthew 3 when John the Baptist says, I baptize you with water, but he who comes after me will baptize you with the Spirit. And so I think this is connected to the baptism of the Spirit, which is not, In my opinion, in Scripture, it's not. That doesn't mean speaking in tongues. I think what he's talking about here is what's going to happen in Acts 2.

But I go back to Matthew 3 when John the Baptist says, I baptize you with water, but he who comes after me will baptize you with the Spirit. And so I think this is connected to the baptism of the Spirit, which is not, In my opinion, in Scripture, it's not. That doesn't mean speaking in tongues. I think what he's talking about here is what's going to happen in Acts 2.

But the picture that you get in this passage in John here of Nicodemus is, We connected it in the last episode that we talked about this too. I think you connected it to the Red Sea. The Jordan River also parted whenever Joshua passed through. Peter connects it. You connected it with creation, which is great. And then Peter connects it with the waters of the days of Noah, talking about baptism.

But the picture that you get in this passage in John here of Nicodemus is, We connected it in the last episode that we talked about this too. I think you connected it to the Red Sea. The Jordan River also parted whenever Joshua passed through. Peter connects it. You connected it with creation, which is great. And then Peter connects it with the waters of the days of Noah, talking about baptism.

It says through that water they were saved. So I think the idea that you should kind of get in your mind Is that you're passing through death into life. And so that picture of the Red Sea is probably the best picture that Israel goes through the Red Sea and it swallows up like all of the enemy. So that's the picture of baptism.

It says through that water they were saved. So I think the idea that you should kind of get in your mind Is that you're passing through death into life. And so that picture of the Red Sea is probably the best picture that Israel goes through the Red Sea and it swallows up like all of the enemy. So that's the picture of baptism.

And so the physical act of water baptism, it's a physical act of the baptism of the Spirit. So it's a tangible expression of that.

And so the physical act of water baptism, it's a physical act of the baptism of the Spirit. So it's a tangible expression of that.

Well, he said, he came in and said, handed his coffee cup or his mug there, what is that, a thermos to Maddie and said, I made the coffee too strong this morning. Which that right there told me, I don't know what's in that. Because every time I've ever drank any coffee you've made, I've thought, this is the strongest coffee I've ever had.

Well, he said, he came in and said, handed his coffee cup or his mug there, what is that, a thermos to Maddie and said, I made the coffee too strong this morning. Which that right there told me, I don't know what's in that. Because every time I've ever drank any coffee you've made, I've thought, this is the strongest coffee I've ever had.

It is.

It is.

That's it. Which is interesting because you go to the very next chapter and it's almost like, okay, now I just had this conversation with Israel. Now I'm going to go have this conversation with a Samaritan woman. And he kind of says the same exact thing, right? You got to be born of water and spirit. You need living water.

That's it. Which is interesting because you go to the very next chapter and it's almost like, okay, now I just had this conversation with Israel. Now I'm going to go have this conversation with a Samaritan woman. And he kind of says the same exact thing, right? You got to be born of water and spirit. You need living water.

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That's why, that's why I never liked the question. Do I have to get baptized to be... I'm like, what do you mean? It's a baptism. Now we're tracking. Now we're tracking.

That's why, that's why I never liked the question. Do I have to get baptized to be... I'm like, what do you mean? It's a baptism. Now we're tracking. Now we're tracking.

Well, we made a point. Yeah, we made a point on the Not Yet Now podcast. Jill said something about baptism, and somebody commented, are you saying you have to be baptized to be saved? Question, question, question mark. I'm like, you're missing the point of what Jesus is doing here. I mean, this is way bigger than that kind of question. It's like way bigger.

Well, we made a point. Yeah, we made a point on the Not Yet Now podcast. Jill said something about baptism, and somebody commented, are you saying you have to be baptized to be saved? Question, question, question mark. I'm like, you're missing the point of what Jesus is doing here. I mean, this is way bigger than that kind of question. It's like way bigger.

And I think that what hits home is the very next chapter, which we'll get into in another podcast. But if you think about what Jesus says to the Samaritan woman when connected with the Spirit, he says, think about it. She has to go to this well. I don't know how often you'd have to go to the well and draw water, but she brings the water back. to her little hut or wherever she lived.

And I think that what hits home is the very next chapter, which we'll get into in another podcast. But if you think about what Jesus says to the Samaritan woman when connected with the Spirit, he says, think about it. She has to go to this well. I don't know how often you'd have to go to the well and draw water, but she brings the water back. to her little hut or wherever she lived.

And you can imagine that bucket of water throughout the week just loses its volume as she uses it. Then she's got to go back, and it's the same thing over and over and over and over again.

And you can imagine that bucket of water throughout the week just loses its volume as she uses it. Then she's got to go back, and it's the same thing over and over and over and over again.

I got to keep going out to the pool, get a bucket of water.

I got to keep going out to the pool, get a bucket of water.

I have a rabbit hole. Let me say this first, though, because I want to make this point. I think it's key to everything that we talk about the temple. There is a connection to what's happening here and the temple. Just as she had to go to the well to replenish her water, so Israel had to go to the temple to atone for their sins. over and over and over again.

I have a rabbit hole. Let me say this first, though, because I want to make this point. I think it's key to everything that we talk about the temple. There is a connection to what's happening here and the temple. Just as she had to go to the well to replenish her water, so Israel had to go to the temple to atone for their sins. over and over and over again.

The picture that's being painted here is that you will now be the temple. Why will you be the temple? Because the Holy Spirit now, the presence of God would now live in people, which is why Jesus says to her, if you drink the water that I give, you will never be thirsty again. The water that I give him will become in him a

The picture that's being painted here is that you will now be the temple. Why will you be the temple? Because the Holy Spirit now, the presence of God would now live in people, which is why Jesus says to her, if you drink the water that I give, you will never be thirsty again. The water that I give him will become in him a

spring of water, welling up to eternal life, which he goes on to define in John 17, 3 as an intimate relationship with him.

spring of water, welling up to eternal life, which he goes on to define in John 17, 3 as an intimate relationship with him.

It's the spirit of God. It's God coming in.

It's the spirit of God. It's God coming in.

I think that's what baptism, what it does is it is our own reenactment of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. It's that Roman 6 passage, and it's by Jesus that we get. Yeah, and that's how we get access into the triune nature of God right there. We come in through this. The Father plans it. The Son accomplishes it, and the Spirit applies that. It's why God is a triune God.

I think that's what baptism, what it does is it is our own reenactment of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. It's that Roman 6 passage, and it's by Jesus that we get. Yeah, and that's how we get access into the triune nature of God right there. We come in through this. The Father plans it. The Son accomplishes it, and the Spirit applies that. It's why God is a triune God.

This is not something that we can back away from. This is who He is, and He manifests this in us.

This is not something that we can back away from. This is who He is, and He manifests this in us.

It's encouraging.

It's encouraging.

So for you to say it's too strong, I don't even know what that means. It's the new bitter.

So for you to say it's too strong, I don't even know what that means. It's the new bitter.

I do the same thing, though. I look up at the flight attendants. When it gets rough, I look at their faces and I see how are they reacting. Yeah, exactly.

I do the same thing, though. I look up at the flight attendants. When it gets rough, I look at their faces and I see how are they reacting. Yeah, exactly.

And so there you go. I flew into Arkansas this weekend, too, so we missed each other, but it was a rough flight, too. Did you fly into Little Rock? I flew into Little Rock. Yeah.

And so there you go. I flew into Arkansas this weekend, too, so we missed each other, but it was a rough flight, too. Did you fly into Little Rock? I flew into Little Rock. Yeah.

Yeah, it's complicated. It's a long distance. It's not bad, but it's complicated. I was in my old stomping grounds where I went to college at in Searcy. I went to a men's retreat there that the church that you guys go to put on. Some of my old college buddies. It was a men's retreat. I was very surprised at how many young men at this retreat came up to me and said, let's do the podcast.

Yeah, it's complicated. It's a long distance. It's not bad, but it's complicated. I was in my old stomping grounds where I went to college at in Searcy. I went to a men's retreat there that the church that you guys go to put on. Some of my old college buddies. It was a men's retreat. I was very surprised at how many young men at this retreat came up to me and said, let's do the podcast.

I love what you guys are doing. It was a little shocking at how many. I think Arkansas, like you said this before the podcast, Jace, if it all goes down, We just need to probably move to Arkansas.

I love what you guys are doing. It was a little shocking at how many. I think Arkansas, like you said this before the podcast, Jace, if it all goes down, We just need to probably move to Arkansas.

It is weird.

It is weird.

I'm out.

I'm out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's right.

That's right.

Well, I thought that was an interesting word. Because you really don't like it associated with anything because it just makes you feel.

Well, I thought that was an interesting word. Because you really don't like it associated with anything because it just makes you feel.

Yeah.

Yeah.

By the way, just so the audience won't think, Jason will be morbidly obese. That's 10 pounds.

By the way, just so the audience won't think, Jason will be morbidly obese. That's 10 pounds.

Before you peel them down.

Before you peel them down.

But you may get a pound of meat out of that.

But you may get a pound of meat out of that.

I bet you'd get a pound of meat out of 10 pounds.

I bet you'd get a pound of meat out of 10 pounds.

Look that up, Matty. I'm thinking it would produce from half a pound to a pound of meat, depending on the size of the crawfish. Well, they're pretty good size.

Look that up, Matty. I'm thinking it would produce from half a pound to a pound of meat, depending on the size of the crawfish. Well, they're pretty good size.

And most of the time, the people, the professionals would tell you back when we did pre-fried fish that it was half a pound per person is what you planned on. Yeah, you planned on half a pound. Because you would have some people that wouldn't eat as much. But, you know, you got some bubba's in there.

And most of the time, the people, the professionals would tell you back when we did pre-fried fish that it was half a pound per person is what you planned on. Yeah, you planned on half a pound. Because you would have some people that wouldn't eat as much. But, you know, you got some bubba's in there.

What is it, Maddie?

What is it, Maddie?

I would have said a pound.

I would have said a pound.

A pound and a half, which is very impressive. Because think about that in terms of like hamburgers, if you had a half pound patty.

A pound and a half, which is very impressive. Because think about that in terms of like hamburgers, if you had a half pound patty.

If you ate a pound and a half, you would get full.

If you ate a pound and a half, you would get full.

What was the word you used for your fat? Visceral fat. Visceral. He had visceral fat. It was angry. Okay.

What was the word you used for your fat? Visceral fat. Visceral. He had visceral fat. It was angry. Okay.

Yeah. Kind of like they did at camp when they baptized out there.

Yeah. Kind of like they did at camp when they baptized out there.

I mentioned this yesterday in my sermon, Jase, because we started out about the armor of God, and you think about that being warfare and these weapons of war were going at it. But it all starts with put on the Lord's armor. And I was like, the only way you can put on his armor is to completely surrender to him.

I mentioned this yesterday in my sermon, Jase, because we started out about the armor of God, and you think about that being warfare and these weapons of war were going at it. But it all starts with put on the Lord's armor. And I was like, the only way you can put on his armor is to completely surrender to him.

It's his armor.

It's his armor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, Jase, I used an illustration yesterday. I'll bounce it off you and see what you think because you never know. Illustrations are like, you know, you never know if they're going to work. And I didn't, you know, know from the audience, but I was talking about this very point about surrender.

Well, Jase, I used an illustration yesterday. I'll bounce it off you and see what you think because you never know. Illustrations are like, you know, you never know if they're going to work. And I didn't, you know, know from the audience, but I was talking about this very point about surrender.

And I said, you know, it sounds, and you've said this before, Jase, it sounds almost counter intelligent to say you have to surrender to fight. I mean, it seems like it's the opposite, but I, well, I made the point that there was two times in our American history in the last hundred years. One was after December 7th, 1941 after Pearl Harbor.

And I said, you know, it sounds, and you've said this before, Jase, it sounds almost counter intelligent to say you have to surrender to fight. I mean, it seems like it's the opposite, but I, well, I made the point that there was two times in our American history in the last hundred years. One was after December 7th, 1941 after Pearl Harbor.

And the other one more recent in all of our memories was after 9 11. I said, what happened when people recognized that as a people, as a country, as a culture, you were literally under attack because people were literally dropping bombs on you?

And the other one more recent in all of our memories was after 9 11. I said, what happened when people recognized that as a people, as a country, as a culture, you were literally under attack because people were literally dropping bombs on you?

Across America, hundreds of thousands, the day after these things happened, hundreds of thousands of American, mostly young men, especially in the 41 case, were flocking to recruiting stations and raising their right hand and surrendering to the good of the United States of America and say, I'm willing to serve to try to deal with what we're up against.

Across America, hundreds of thousands, the day after these things happened, hundreds of thousands of American, mostly young men, especially in the 41 case, were flocking to recruiting stations and raising their right hand and surrendering to the good of the United States of America and say, I'm willing to serve to try to deal with what we're up against.

And I made the point, that's what we're doing here. It's finally reaching us at a heart level that the battle is so big, I can't not be in it. And so I had to submit myself. So I'm surrendering. Because, you know, when you go in the military, you're saying not my will, but... whoever's going to be telling you what to do for the next two to four years.

And I made the point, that's what we're doing here. It's finally reaching us at a heart level that the battle is so big, I can't not be in it. And so I had to submit myself. So I'm surrendering. Because, you know, when you go in the military, you're saying not my will, but... whoever's going to be telling you what to do for the next two to four years.

So I compared it to that and what we do, that finally we get to this place where we're saying, all right, it's big enough, I'm all in. So I kind of thought about that when you were describing this one.

So I compared it to that and what we do, that finally we get to this place where we're saying, all right, it's big enough, I'm all in. So I kind of thought about that when you were describing this one.

You know, I feel pretty good for having a morbid anatomy. Well, here's what started this. So I asked Jay's, because you remember last year I got on this kick, I was going to lose 60 by 60. So that was just a cute little phrase back, you know, like late last summer. And I tried and I did lose a little, but I obviously fell way short of my goal.

You know, I feel pretty good for having a morbid anatomy. Well, here's what started this. So I asked Jay's, because you remember last year I got on this kick, I was going to lose 60 by 60. So that was just a cute little phrase back, you know, like late last summer. And I tried and I did lose a little, but I obviously fell way short of my goal.

Right.

Right.

And sometimes even ourselves.

And sometimes even ourselves.

And you never grow weary of seeing it either.

And you never grow weary of seeing it either.

And so Jace bet on me with some people that were betting against me. And they won because I didn't do it. I didn't pull it off by my 60th birthday. But then I amended and said, but, you know, technically I'm 60 for a whole year. So I said, Jace, if they'll take it, double down because I'm going to lose this weight. And I'm getting close. But I said, I'm going to lose this weight before I turn 60.

And so Jace bet on me with some people that were betting against me. And they won because I didn't do it. I didn't pull it off by my 60th birthday. But then I amended and said, but, you know, technically I'm 60 for a whole year. So I said, Jace, if they'll take it, double down because I'm going to lose this weight. And I'm getting close. But I said, I'm going to lose this weight before I turn 60.

Yeah, and I think that Missy was involved in, a few years ago, a project called Crimson Gospel, which was a musical project. that kind of spanned across the old Testament into Jesus and the cross. And it was a really great concept. And there, it was obviously it was a lot of songs in there, but the storyline went through this idea of what you're describing, Zach.

Yeah, and I think that Missy was involved in, a few years ago, a project called Crimson Gospel, which was a musical project. that kind of spanned across the old Testament into Jesus and the cross. And it was a really great concept. And there, it was obviously it was a lot of songs in there, but the storyline went through this idea of what you're describing, Zach.

And we went back and, you know, cause I helped her and collaborated a little bit with her about that. Seeing that, I call it the red ribbon of, You think about the Passover. You think about Rahab and the scarlet cord hanging out of the window. And you just look back over the Old Testament.

And we went back and, you know, cause I helped her and collaborated a little bit with her about that. Seeing that, I call it the red ribbon of, You think about the Passover. You think about Rahab and the scarlet cord hanging out of the window. And you just look back over the Old Testament.

You see those little moments along where they were like these little symbols that you see that were pointing towards something. And this went across generations of people. But the idea has always been there. It's always been there that it's coming. It's going to be here, this idea that God's there.

You see those little moments along where they were like these little symbols that you see that were pointing towards something. And this went across generations of people. But the idea has always been there. It's always been there that it's coming. It's going to be here, this idea that God's there.

And I love that concept that the gospel spans across all of human history, which is very, very powerful.

And I love that concept that the gospel spans across all of human history, which is very, very powerful.

And our future. So we ready to get to John now?

And our future. So we ready to get to John now?

That was the cold open, folks. That was it, just as it happens. But we're in John 7. Here in this text, we left off with Jesus. Remember, we had just gone through all these illustrations about the bread and the body and the blood and him talking about my flesh. And he had this really hard teaching.

That was the cold open, folks. That was it, just as it happens. But we're in John 7. Here in this text, we left off with Jesus. Remember, we had just gone through all these illustrations about the bread and the body and the blood and him talking about my flesh. And he had this really hard teaching.

And at the time, like he had had this huge following in Galilee that had, and these were his people, you know, these were the ones that were there, you know, in his neighborhood, so to speak. And then they left him. I mean, they all, it was just too much for them. So he's kind of back down to the original plus their little support group and

And at the time, like he had had this huge following in Galilee that had, and these were his people, you know, these were the ones that were there, you know, in his neighborhood, so to speak. And then they left him. I mean, they all, it was just too much for them. So he's kind of back down to the original plus their little support group and

And so he's at home in Galilee, and his brothers decide that he needs to go to the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles, or booths it's called sometimes, to be able to make a name for himself. They had a little marketing strategy for him, and they said, look, if you're going to be a big deal, you got to get out there and press the flesh. I'm paraphrasing, of course. And so that's where we left off.

And so he's at home in Galilee, and his brothers decide that he needs to go to the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles, or booths it's called sometimes, to be able to make a name for himself. They had a little marketing strategy for him, and they said, look, if you're going to be a big deal, you got to get out there and press the flesh. I'm paraphrasing, of course. And so that's where we left off.

So it was like harvest. I mean, the idea was you're in the wilderness. You had the tabernacles. God was there making his presence known. And so we're honoring that. But the idea is that he provides. Jason, we were very young. We went to seminary together to study the Bible. And you were the first person that I ever heard use the word martyrs. And I was like, what is a martyr?

So it was like harvest. I mean, the idea was you're in the wilderness. You had the tabernacles. God was there making his presence known. And so we're honoring that. But the idea is that he provides. Jason, we were very young. We went to seminary together to study the Bible. And you were the first person that I ever heard use the word martyrs. And I was like, what is a martyr?

Is that right, Jace?

Is that right, Jace?

And you explained it to me. And it was inspiring when you explained it to me.

And you explained it to me. And it was inspiring when you explained it to me.

Then I found the voice of the martyrs later saying, which is an organization that's been really highlighting around the world people that are still being martyred for their faith. Not everyone, of course, loses their life, but, of course, they're persecuted in many different ways. And there's a book that's out by a man named Todd Nettleton. He's the voice of the martyrs radio host.

Then I found the voice of the martyrs later saying, which is an organization that's been really highlighting around the world people that are still being martyred for their faith. Not everyone, of course, loses their life, but, of course, they're persecuted in many different ways. And there's a book that's out by a man named Todd Nettleton. He's the voice of the martyrs radio host.

And he's been traveling for 20 years, and across these 20 years of restricted nations, he's found amazing stories of people who still are persecuted because of their faith. The book is called When Faith is Forbidden. Here's a copy of it here with us today. 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians. So it's a journal.

And he's been traveling for 20 years, and across these 20 years of restricted nations, he's found amazing stories of people who still are persecuted because of their faith. The book is called When Faith is Forbidden. Here's a copy of it here with us today. 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians. So it's a journal.

It's also a devotional to read these stories and also then not only by highlighting what they're going through, but help us to be able to reflect and see what God wants from our lives as well. It's a great challenge. Helps you reflect on your walk with Christ. We highly recommend it. Here's the best news. It's free. They're giving you the book just to see what's happening out around the world.

It's also a devotional to read these stories and also then not only by highlighting what they're going through, but help us to be able to reflect and see what God wants from our lives as well. It's a great challenge. Helps you reflect on your walk with Christ. We highly recommend it. Here's the best news. It's free. They're giving you the book just to see what's happening out around the world.

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Well, and he was actually given a little bit of nod to where he was going because you're right, a Jewish male, according to Old Testament tradition and law, was supposed to go to these three festivals, and yet here he is looking like he's not going to go.

Well, and he was actually given a little bit of nod to where he was going because you're right, a Jewish male, according to Old Testament tradition and law, was supposed to go to these three festivals, and yet here he is looking like he's not going to go.

What's wrong with our family? With his morbid anatomy, he's going to the ground.

What's wrong with our family? With his morbid anatomy, he's going to the ground.

That should have been the festival.

That should have been the festival.

It's funny.

It's funny.

And just to hammer your point on, Jay, in verse 6 of 7, which is where we left off, even his own brothers did not believe in him. So they had lived with him for 30 years. They had seen him as a child. They'd seen the whole thing. And they didn't believe he was the Messiah.

And just to hammer your point on, Jay, in verse 6 of 7, which is where we left off, even his own brothers did not believe in him. So they had lived with him for 30 years. They had seen him as a child. They'd seen the whole thing. And they didn't believe he was the Messiah.

And so they missed him, and he literally lived in the house with them.

And so they missed him, and he literally lived in the house with them.

But I won't make fun of others. So those of you out there that are trying, I am not a guy who loses weight that makes fun of you. So I'm making fun of myself. Well, that was hard.

But I won't make fun of others. So those of you out there that are trying, I am not a guy who loses weight that makes fun of you. So I'm making fun of myself. Well, that was hard.

But I told you last time, I said, inside of families, if we see something like that, or even something similar, even in our today, we would say, oh, they're just weird. You know what I'm saying? There's something wrong with him. That's what we'd say. And that's what they said about him.

But I told you last time, I said, inside of families, if we see something like that, or even something similar, even in our today, we would say, oh, they're just weird. You know what I'm saying? There's something wrong with him. That's what we'd say. And that's what they said about him.

So they were going to help him along because what he says, which we didn't get to yet, was he gives them a pretty little stern little rebuke.

So they were going to help him along because what he says, which we didn't get to yet, was he gives them a pretty little stern little rebuke.

Out of the lineage and loins of Abraham in Genesis 12, correct.

Out of the lineage and loins of Abraham in Genesis 12, correct.

That's like a chunky middle schooler. You know what I mean? You look at it, you pick up or you try to grab up a middle schooler and you say, son, you've gained some weight. That was what I lost, a sack of corn.

That's like a chunky middle schooler. You know what I mean? You look at it, you pick up or you try to grab up a middle schooler and you say, son, you've gained some weight. That was what I lost, a sack of corn.

Here's the problem with the dictionary that's the size of eight books. It takes a minute to look it up.

Here's the problem with the dictionary that's the size of eight books. It takes a minute to look it up.

And did he not tell Abraham, your seed will be... as many as the sand on the seashore and stars in the sky. To your point, he's a different phrase, but he's saying the exact same thing.

And did he not tell Abraham, your seed will be... as many as the sand on the seashore and stars in the sky. To your point, he's a different phrase, but he's saying the exact same thing.

What is that? Is that an extra helping of food on your plate? What is that, Zach? I'm not familiar with the term plate.

What is that? Is that an extra helping of food on your plate? What is that, Zach? I'm not familiar with the term plate.

Oh, working out stuff. Okay. Yeah, like a plate weight. I wasn't aware of that. That's how you have a morbid anatomy. You don't know what that is.

Oh, working out stuff. Okay. Yeah, like a plate weight. I wasn't aware of that. That's how you have a morbid anatomy. You don't know what that is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, we tend to want to limit. Which anytime, by the way, as you're looking that up, that you want to limit the vision of God's kingdom, anytime you want to limit that, here's my phrase for you. Think bigger. Just think bigger.

Well, we tend to want to limit. Which anytime, by the way, as you're looking that up, that you want to limit the vision of God's kingdom, anytime you want to limit that, here's my phrase for you. Think bigger. Just think bigger.

Yeah, that was a marketing thing I was trying to convince myself.

Yeah, that was a marketing thing I was trying to convince myself.

You have to think bigger. I came to the same conclusion yesterday in Ephesians 6. I said, as a young man, I looked at this passage only in that I needed armor to fight for myself. And now I realize when I look at it in the context of the whole book of Ephesians that started out Ephesians 1 with the idea that everything is in Christ, the Holy Spirit now indwells us.

You have to think bigger. I came to the same conclusion yesterday in Ephesians 6. I said, as a young man, I looked at this passage only in that I needed armor to fight for myself. And now I realize when I look at it in the context of the whole book of Ephesians that started out Ephesians 1 with the idea that everything is in Christ, the Holy Spirit now indwells us.

I'm fighting for something way bigger than that, which is why Paul closes that. What does he say when he says, pray for me at the end of Ephesians 6, that I may declare victory? boldly the word of God, that I may make it clear to everyone. So the only reason you need armor is because you're engaged in a battle for other people to understand what this is all about.

I'm fighting for something way bigger than that, which is why Paul closes that. What does he say when he says, pray for me at the end of Ephesians 6, that I may declare victory? boldly the word of God, that I may make it clear to everyone. So the only reason you need armor is because you're engaged in a battle for other people to understand what this is all about.

The horse was still eating at the stall.

The horse was still eating at the stall.

Well, we're about out of time. I'll say two things to wrap this up, and then we'll get back into John 7 on the next podcast. I love that the two pictures we talked about. One is, Jace, you mentioned Romans 10, how beautiful the feet. And it made me think about, again, about my sermon yesterday. The feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.

Well, we're about out of time. I'll say two things to wrap this up, and then we'll get back into John 7 on the next podcast. I love that the two pictures we talked about. One is, Jace, you mentioned Romans 10, how beautiful the feet. And it made me think about, again, about my sermon yesterday. The feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.

He says the exact same thing there. But I was thinking about it. You don't want to have Jesus live in your house for 30 years and miss him. Yeah. And somehow think he's not big enough. So that was kind of the theme of this entire thought. That's where it is in John 7. We'll pick it up next time. I'm not ashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast.

He says the exact same thing there. But I was thinking about it. You don't want to have Jesus live in your house for 30 years and miss him. Yeah. And somehow think he's not big enough. So that was kind of the theme of this entire thought. That's where it is in John 7. We'll pick it up next time. I'm not ashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast.

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I have. But this time I'm doing it for a lot. Right. Because now I realize I'm 60 years old. I don't know how many of these I got left in me. So I better just keep it off.

I have. But this time I'm doing it for a lot. Right. Because now I realize I'm 60 years old. I don't know how many of these I got left in me. So I better just keep it off.

It impacts your long-term brain health.

It impacts your long-term brain health.

Well, you're right, Zach, and we certainly have enough of that in our family history to not add more markers for that. Oh, my gosh, yeah. Which is something we want to work on. So I had an interesting week because after I left the Southern Lair, heading back this way, we stopped in Flora, Mississippi. It was funny because we were doing a marriage event there. Flora, Mississippi.

Well, you're right, Zach, and we certainly have enough of that in our family history to not add more markers for that. Oh, my gosh, yeah. Which is something we want to work on. So I had an interesting week because after I left the Southern Lair, heading back this way, we stopped in Flora, Mississippi. It was funny because we were doing a marriage event there. Flora, Mississippi.

And I said, when I met these folks there in Flora, at the First Baptist Church in Flora, I said, you know, you pass by a sign. So I drive back and forth a lot to Flora. Gulf Shores to West Monroe. And so I have to go through Jackson, Mississippi and down through Hattiesburg. So I said, I pass by a sign all the time, Flora, those sign pointing your way and a lot of other little towns.

And I said, when I met these folks there in Flora, at the First Baptist Church in Flora, I said, you know, you pass by a sign. So I drive back and forth a lot to Flora. Gulf Shores to West Monroe. And so I have to go through Jackson, Mississippi and down through Hattiesburg. So I said, I pass by a sign all the time, Flora, those sign pointing your way and a lot of other little towns.

And I, when I, you know, you don't, I'm by myself a lot. And I wonder what the people are like in Flora, Mississippi or whatever, then at Yazoo city or these signs I see along the way. Cause you never go there. But you see the signs over and over and over again. And I was talking to these folks.

And I, when I, you know, you don't, I'm by myself a lot. And I wonder what the people are like in Flora, Mississippi or whatever, then at Yazoo city or these signs I see along the way. Cause you never go there. But you see the signs over and over and over again. And I was talking to these folks.

I said, I'm finally looking at the people in Florida, Mississippi, because it's like a little one caution light town. But they were fantastic folks. Lisa and I did our marriage thing that we do. And one of them told me a story that I mentioned yesterday in my sermon because I was preaching this weekend here as well.

I said, I'm finally looking at the people in Florida, Mississippi, because it's like a little one caution light town. But they were fantastic folks. Lisa and I did our marriage thing that we do. And one of them told me a story that I mentioned yesterday in my sermon because I was preaching this weekend here as well.

Which, by the way, when you're working on a – I was working on Ephesians 6, but then I had like three presentations. But it's hard for those two not to spill over into one another. So they got some pretty good Ephesians stuff too. But this young man and his wife came up to us afterwards, and they were pretty young.

Which, by the way, when you're working on a – I was working on Ephesians 6, but then I had like three presentations. But it's hard for those two not to spill over into one another. So they got some pretty good Ephesians stuff too. But this young man and his wife came up to us afterwards, and they were pretty young.

And he said, I wanted to tell you this, Zach, just to let you know you did a good thing. That he said, because in our telling of the story of Jesus, we included some of the things Lisa and I have been through. And he and his wife came up and he said, we had gone to see the blind. And he said, whenever we were on our way home, he just said, I felt so convicted.

And he said, I wanted to tell you this, Zach, just to let you know you did a good thing. That he said, because in our telling of the story of Jesus, we included some of the things Lisa and I have been through. And he and his wife came up and he said, we had gone to see the blind. And he said, whenever we were on our way home, he just said, I felt so convicted.

Because he had been involved in an affair, but he had not told his wife. And, uh, and so she's just talking about the movie and the impact and loved it and all this. And he was just super quiet and she was driving, they said. And so finally he just, he wouldn't say anything. And she was like, well, I don't know. Did he not think, you know, cause she kept talking, but he wouldn't say a word.

Because he had been involved in an affair, but he had not told his wife. And, uh, and so she's just talking about the movie and the impact and loved it and all this. And he was just super quiet and she was driving, they said. And so finally he just, he wouldn't say anything. And she was like, well, I don't know. Did he not think, you know, cause she kept talking, but he wouldn't say a word.

He's just silent. And finally he looked at her. He said, pull over, pull the car over. And she looked at him. She says something, you know, she pulls over and he's just got this look in his eyes. And he said, I just told her everything. about what was going on in my life, what had been happening. And I was like, well, how did that go? And she said, well, it was terrible at first.

He's just silent. And finally he looked at her. He said, pull over, pull the car over. And she looked at him. She says something, you know, she pulls over and he's just got this look in his eyes. And he said, I just told her everything. about what was going on in my life, what had been happening. And I was like, well, how did that go? And she said, well, it was terrible at first.

She said, but, you know, they worked through it. This had been obviously two years ago. But it was just seeing the story of Jesus played out, in this case, through mom and dad, that just convicted him. And he was like, I just couldn't keep riding in that car without telling the truth after what I'd just seen.

She said, but, you know, they worked through it. This had been obviously two years ago. But it was just seeing the story of Jesus played out, in this case, through mom and dad, that just convicted him. And he was like, I just couldn't keep riding in that car without telling the truth after what I'd just seen.

Exactly. I mean, that could have been the end of their marriage.

Exactly. I mean, that could have been the end of their marriage.

Welcome back to Unashamed. We are actively looking in Jace's giant dictionary. Do you remember the giant dictionary, Zach, that Jace broke out a few podcasts ago?

Welcome back to Unashamed. We are actively looking in Jace's giant dictionary. Do you remember the giant dictionary, Zach, that Jace broke out a few podcasts ago?

Oh, he said, he said, I was so scared. And, you know, but again, it shows you, I mean, that's what the Bible says to do. That's what you do. Yeah.

Oh, he said, he said, I was so scared. And, you know, but again, it shows you, I mean, that's what the Bible says to do. That's what you do. Yeah.

It's not boring. It's always interesting. You know, Zach, Lisa and I could be in the great-grandchildren mode here before. I have a grandchild that's married for a year.

It's not boring. It's always interesting. You know, Zach, Lisa and I could be in the great-grandchildren mode here before. I have a grandchild that's married for a year.

So we were commenting about my continuing weight loss, and Zach was noticing in our shot. that I had continued to lose weight. And so we were talking about that Zach said he didn't realize until he saw a picture of a year ago that you had gained a few pounds you had to get rid of. You said you were obese. I said, well, they said I was morbidly obese.

So we were commenting about my continuing weight loss, and Zach was noticing in our shot. that I had continued to lose weight. And so we were talking about that Zach said he didn't realize until he saw a picture of a year ago that you had gained a few pounds you had to get rid of. You said you were obese. I said, well, they said I was morbidly obese.

That sounded so much like something Dad would say. I mean, it's our culture. They're vacuuming the coffee machine.

That sounded so much like something Dad would say. I mean, it's our culture. They're vacuuming the coffee machine.

That's what's wrong with America. George Washington. Coffee. Coffee.

That's what's wrong with America. George Washington. Coffee. Coffee.

Matty, that's what's wrong with America.

Matty, that's what's wrong with America.

So Jay sits down and has the best dad line I've heard in a while since dad was on the podcast. He said, that's what's wrong with our culture. They were vacuuming in our coffee grinders, and it was just such a dad line to say, Jason.