Andrew Hawkins
Appearances
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
Beavon A. Smith, listen to me. Like my grandmama always tell me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
You can put a raccoon in the ass of a popper, but you can't make a jackass jump. Okay?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
I watch way too much Shannon Sharp. There is nobody that I enjoy more. In life than watching Shannon Sharp. And that is the honest to God truth. So I should have brought my muscle suit.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
Look, when you're at this point in the season, you have to understand that things change, right? It's like that sophomore quarterback slump. You go out and you have a great first year, and then defensive coordinators adjust. They figure out what your tendencies are. This is what happens late in the season.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
And for Jim Harbaugh, him understanding both sides of the ball when you brought him into Los Angeles, you knew that's what you were getting. Not just a guy who can—
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
tutor the quarterback with all the ability in the world but also his understanding of defense bringing in mentor and in these moments where they go down by a whole lot of points and they surge back because of that prowess because of that knowledge that he has on both sides of the ball december is when you get the most from your from your head coach
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
He said it like twice, and it was a lot. I couldn't hold it in at that moment because I like tapped out by looking at his face. And then when I came back to, he was yelling notes with such emphasis. And I'm like, what is going on here?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
True lack of leadership. His ego is swollen like a mean's lip. That is the issue with Joel Embiid. From a leadership perspective, you cannot go out of your way to show everybody how much you care about personal accolades.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
You cannot go out of your way to show everybody how different you are, how cut above the rest of you are, because all the people that are tasked with following you feel that and see that, and they will go away from whatever it is you're trying to do. So he cannot motivate anybody around him because it's so very clear that everything he cares about involves Joel Embiid. It's hard to get along with.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
And in those locker rooms where everybody is high paid and everybody wants to be the star, a real leader does not separate himself from the group. He goes out of his way to say, hey, all I care about is our collective success. And because of that, he will never get along with another star.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
He will never be in a position where he's in a locker room and people will fall in line and say, this is a guy that we believe in and we will follow to the ends of the earth. And it will show up every single time playoff basketball comes around that he is not of the creme de la creme as far as NBA stars are concerned.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
He's also forcing me to face him because he's on the profile of it. So now I feel like I have to turn that way. And I think he spit neosporin onto the mic.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
You're cosplaying that Stephen A. Smith. That doesn't count.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
So good. And when you look at the way that he performs, really when you get into that late November, December part of the season, it makes you feel good about what you have as a quarterback, right? For what he has to follow up with Aaron Rodgers, obviously legendary there. But to be able to raise the bar that I feel like he has in that, I don't know if I'm being serious right now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
I was still heavy into the first fake bit.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
I don't know if I can cement him in the top five right now. Extremely talented, still very early in his career. The top four cemented, it's Josh Allen, Lamar, Patrick, Joe Burrow, whatever order you want to go.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
I was going to say it didn't sound young.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Yeah, and honestly, I would probably put Matt Stafford there. He's a very good quarterback, and it's really easy to him. He's at that stage of his career. But I think Jordan Love is right there. It was a joke in those beginning parts of the season where he's throwing interceptions. That is the question mark around Jordan Love is because he is this risk taker.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
He trusts his ability, his arm strength, and sometimes it gets them into trouble. Now he plays really great. It sucks to be a player to be like, hey, I played really good in the month of December, the most important month of the season, heading to the playoffs, and they call it the Toyotathon. They make a big joke out of it. Sometimes it's happy Honda days.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Happy Honda days, whatever you want to call it. That is why Jordan Love, in my opinion, and why he's in that conversation, because he does get better as the season progresses and into the playoffs, and He has that kind of ability. It's just early on, you have to mitigate the risks that he takes. Otherwise, it gets them into trouble routinely.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
No, it's not. And that's why he's one of those four. Like, Joe Burrow, they're young. The issue is, like... He has obviously his entire career ahead of him. Like, there's nobody under 35 that has won a Super Bowl in the NFL, quarterback-wise, except Patrick Mahomes. And that's like, I don't know if that's a stat.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. But, like, I said under 35. Under 35. Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Yeah. I mean, it wasn't prize fighting. I don't know what the hell happened. His face looks wicked swollen, man. Did you get shot? What is going on?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
There's only one quarterback under the age of 35 in the NFL that has won a Super Bowl, and it's Patrick Mahomes. He's right.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
1980s. Yeah. So the point is, is like we look at these quarterbacks, and they are incredible. Joe, Lamar, Josh Allen. But it's the same narrative, and it's – Depending on who you're talking about, if you make it like, oh, Lamar needs to do this, right, or Josh Allen. No one's done it except Mahomes. Like, he's in a class of his own.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Is that what we're reporting this on?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Where did he come from? Columbus. He is born in Columbus. But he raps on like a lot of cities. I'm sorry. No, that's OK.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
But, Hawk, for the people— I don't know how to approach what's going on here. First off, I seen you this morning, and I didn't see you. You know why?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Travis Hunter has to know that this comes with it, and he has to learn from primetime that this is a part of the process. If Travis Hunter goes to Florida State, He's still an incredible player. We don't care as much. That's just a fact of the matter. And that is the prime time effect. And I feel like there is nobody better positioned to teach Travis Hunter that lesson.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Now, my advice to Travis Hunter would be keep the main thing the main thing. You're going to make a bunch of money from football. And if any of these things become distractions that affect how you play on the field, which they will. And they can and they have. And I know many of cases and examples of that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Then it's not worth it before you get to the inevitable 200 million dollars you're going to be worth in three short years.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Sat down. Even as Dan started talking, I have like a condition I call face blindness. Also because I was reading a book. Where I don't look at people's faces. I was reading a book like a spy. Dude, it's... It looks bad. I mean, it looked like you. I don't know if you really fell or you're getting abused at home.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
I was locked in, I'm not going to lie. I appreciated the stats, and I wanted more.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Never mind. Keep the main thing the main thing, Jeremy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
So you felt like they gave him too much respect by having so many people around him, guarding him while he's in handcuffs. That's not a crazy take. The crazy take was he's not some mass murderer. He murdered one person.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
And I'm dripped out. I'm hella dripped out, as Dan would say.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
It looks like he was the defender whose face Marshawn Lynch ran through a motherfucker of. Does it look fleek? It's lit, Dan.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
I'm looking at you because I didn't see the game last night, Dan. I got to be honest with you. I was traveling, and I would love to lie. If we were on the mothership, I would have just faked it. But too much respect for you to lie. What would faking it sound like? I would love to know what that would sound like. Let's do this a different way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Listen, when you look at the Denver Broncos this season, they have actually relied mostly on their defense and what Vance Joseph has done. Like, I like what Bo Nix has done as well. And it's obviously a match made in heaven with him and Sean Payton. But there have been times where you feel like the play calls are being called around some deficiencies he has.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
And there were moments that popped up last night. And when you look at a game like that and you need your defense to step up, well, now when they don't, You have cause for concerns going into this stretch of the season, which is the most important part. Nailed it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
It makes you really believe, like, damn, Draymond really went over last night.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Hey, there's money in it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
As I'm sitting there and I'm enjoying a caramel macchiato watching this game late night with my feet snuggled up in an Ohio State Buckeye Snuggie that my wife gifted me on my birthday in college in 2008, I thought to myself, this is what you want. when you came into this season from Harbaugh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Because you think about Justin Herbert and his arm strength, and you feel like he should have always been in the class with Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. The list continues. And last night when you got that glimpse of how Harbaugh has really brought his talent to the forefront and filled in that blind spot for him to get the most out of him.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
And there's moments where you see that incredible arm strength, right? And then that's where you get excited about and you finally feel like... This is what the Chargers needed to get over the hump.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
17-year-old blanket that you're snuggled up in. Hey, it's why it's my lucky blanket. Here's what you do.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
That's what Lyd McConkie has with Justin Herbert. Down the stretch, you saw it in those moments on third down.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Oh, okay. We had this conversation last week, too. He's a hockey player. This is what I like about you. I live for this, man. Yeah, I like that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
Give me a few steps over here, bro. I've got chills, man.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Thursday Night Football Reaction
I don't mind it. I didn't even bat an eye to it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I didn't say no, I wasn't. He said, how contagious are you? Okay. And I said, I don't know.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I wasn't a Santa Claus kid. My parents didn't teach me about Santa Claus.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Because they were like, hey, you know, we're not going to make it seem like some white guy is buying you these gifts when we're working double time and over shift. Exactly. So, yeah, no white Santa, no black Santa.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Is Jesus black? I mean, it's basically the same question, right? He's Jewish. I mean, I don't know how. Yeah, the original. I think there's multiple standards.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I'm shocked by that, actually. That is crazy. Breaking news.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I think Santa is like a UPS, the UPS guy. It's like he's different for every community. I don't think black Santa would get off in the white community. I have original recipe. Without somebody calling the cops.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Yeah. No, I have crispy toast.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I got bad Santa. I got black Jesus in my house.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Absolutely celebrated Christmas. So you're just saying that your parents- Christmas in my household was Jesus, not Santa. So that's heavy on the Christmas, not so much on the Santa Claus. And so Jesus would buy you the presents. Jesus would provide the opportunity for the parents. He always does. My kids, they see black Jesus. There's black Jesuses at my house.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
So they grew up, they went to stores, they were like, wait a minute, why is Jesus white in this store? It was like, they didn't even know that that was a thing. So black Santa, black Jesus, yeah, you got a representation. Jamil gets it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
The black president, of course.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I thought you wanted me to play through injury.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Yeah, I'll say so.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I'm so confused right now. Not teaching so much as it's up to you, right? It's important for your kids to see themselves as the superheroes. Because you'll see yourself. That's what Jesus represents. You see yourself in that. When you see Santa, you see yourself. Your kids see themselves in those things. So not so much teaching them that Santa is black. More as... He could be black. Why not?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Why can't Santa be black?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I smoked 17 packs of cigarettes a day. You haven't asked me that yet. I am Stu Gotts Jr. That's what everyone calls me on the street. Why did we go from coughing to diarrhea? Where was the link there? I think David has diarrhea, and he was trying to diagnose what he has to blame in me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
And you don't think he deserves the top dollar?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
That's Daniel Jones money. You're talking Daniel Jones money, Jamel.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
If you give me 40 to 45 million and I'm Brock Purdy, I'm going to turn into Devondre Campbell real quick on that sideline. All right. I'm going to need that top dollar or, you know, I ain't playing, David. Welcome back.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Jameis is just crazy enough to win that game.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I think he's been delivered by Black Jesus from those pick sixes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
What just happened?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I don't even know the rules, and that seemed illegal.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Colts play.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Tough team.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I'll take it. I like it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Kirk Cousins is playing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Yeah, there's no way on an NFL sideline for you to get that information. So there's nothing that could have changed at quarter one, play one, to when they got to that moment. And my question, Dan, is was he kicked off of the sideline because he refused to play? Or did he voluntarily say, hey, I'm not going in and just left the sideline? If the latter is the case...
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The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
then he probably is done in his NFL career. Because to walk off a sideline, it's one thing not to go in, which is terrible in and of itself, but maybe there is some explanation of why I cannot go perform. If you leave the sideline, that is quite literally you walking away from your NFL career.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Yeah, no, that wasn't something I was willing to negotiate, which is a different situation than this. And maybe it's not. Maybe that's my own bias, thinking that the situations are different. But I don't know these people. And what's most important at that point in my life is making sure I have a paycheck because I have a baby on the way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
And I can't risk going out there and putting something on film that will ruin the opportunity for what is the closest thing to financial freedom for me. In this situation, I don't believe that is the case.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Because even if he was, for whatever reason, wanted to go about it to where he did not truly want to play and it wasn't just a hissy fit because he was upset that their all-everything linebacker had come back from an Achilles tear and they chose him over him.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
He maybe thought he would put enough on tape to make it seem like that was his position or they would have to earn it back because he's been the guy they've depended on. That's what that feels like. Because even in the other scenario, you go out there and play, and you grab your hamstring, or you grab your neck, or you fake it and be like, hey, I did one play, I can't play.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
That's not what happened. This seemed like he was trying to retaliate for a move he didn't agree with, and when you needed me most, I'm going to try to get you back.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
Yeah, and I don't think you're wrong, especially when you're getting paid that much.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I can't exactly remember, Mike. You know, my brain is fuzzy. I've taken a lot of hits. He has diarrhea. I have diarrhea, you know. I've taken so many meds this morning because David keeps slipping them in my coffee.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
That's a tough one.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
I don't think that being a leader guarantees your success, right? And there are certain mediums where that leadership – if they even are natural abilities, bode better than in other places. And I think that's what people are talking about with UNC. Like when you look at the New England Patriots, how he built that program, what that program stood for,
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
it is in stark contrast to the state of college football today, right? Like, yeah, he's going to get guys to give him the most. We understand he knows the X's and O's of football. We understand he knows how to find diamonds in the rough to get better output than maybe what is on the surface of a player and their ability.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
But also, what he wasn't dealing with was essentially a roster full of one-year contracts. And that is how they built the program at New England. Yes, winning is all that matters. And when you get your opportunity, your time will come. But we're going to get over-the-heel football players. We're going to get undrafted guys. We're going to get more out of them than any other program can.
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The Big Suey: Caitlin Clark Is Time's Athlete Of The Year (Feat. Jemele Hill)
And we're going to take advantage of that for the lifetime of their contract. What happens when a guy comes in, he balls out, and then they all want to go into the portal because now... They have a higher appetite to make more money with other programs that you have to match. And that dollar amount just continues to go up.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
Get rid of the elements. I do not want to play in rain.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
Maybe when the Stugas were running backs in the NFL.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
One in 15 season. When you're like, it's the third quarter, you're down by 30. Right. You know, the defense is out there. They start to say, punt return on alert. You're like, I got to go back out here and risk getting my head taken off knowing there's no chance for us to win this game or probably any game for the remainder of this season. But you went back out there. But I went back out there.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
Every single time. And I don't know if that was me being institutionalized, but I did fantasize about it.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
Oh, I'm so sorry, Stu. There's no rehab for feelings in the NFL. Very sad.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
I won't say it's impossible, Dan. I mean, if he still wants, I don't know. That's the point. Like, if I walk off a field, I have no intentions on ever walking back on it. Like, when Vontae Davis left, he wasn't coming back to a football field. He knew that. He's like, you know what? This is the moment where I feel like my career is done.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
And I think that is what's going to block him from playing on another team. I don't think he's going to want to come back from this. But he's a good player.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
He was also the 2023 Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee. So it's like a good dude... He's just done.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
He's like, no, I ain't going back in. Mid-game holdout, man. They should have just negotiated a new contract. He'd have been in there by the 4th.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
It does surprise me. That's why I'm leaning more towards the is he trying to retire type of thing. Or is it that, yo, I didn't warm up to go in here to play. If I go out there, I'm going to get exposed.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
Yeah. No, he definitely loses friendships if he had them. You'd be surprised how there's not like real friendships in the NFL. But regardless, you're absolutely right on all those things. I'm just trying to like put myself in the mind of Campbell of what could be going through your mind at 31, which is old in the NFL linebacker who's been on the sideline the entirety of the game.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
Maybe you didn't warm up the way that you thought you would because you didn't think you were playing. And in this moment, it's like a. I can't go in there because I'm going to get exposed because I'm not ready to play. Now that is something I can identify with. My rookie year with the Bengals in preseason, this is the second preseason game. Now I'm a guy coming from Canada. I'm low on the roster.
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Local Hour: Andrew Hawkins on De'Vandre Campbell Quitting
And I'm like, I'm trying to do everything in my damn power to just stick around on the roster. It was late in maybe the first game that I played. I can't remember who it was against. Maybe the Jets, maybe the Lions. But Marvin Lewis walks up to me and he's like, hey, go out there and jump in on punt return. Or the special teams coordinator, Coach Simmons, and I'm like, no.
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And he like, eyes went up, and he's like, wait a minute. I said, go punt return. And I was like, yeah, no, I didn't practice that. And he's like, gives me another opportunity to say, hey, Hawk, get your ass out there and return these punts. And I said, coach, I didn't practice that. And I don't want to go out there and drop a punt.
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And then you cut me and then all the rest of the 31 teams see that I can't catch punts and I don't have a chance. Marvin Lewis comes over to try to convince me. And I said, look, if you give me a week, I will return punts next week. They were like, okay, interesting. Interesting strategy. You're crazy, man. That week, I worked on punt returns all week. They put me in.
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I returned it for 41 yards in the first punt return. Made the practice squad. That's an honest to God, true story. But I was not willing to go out there and just seal my fate when I wasn't confident in myself and abilities.
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That is a true story.
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It's hard. The stakes are too big to go out here and just give it a shot because no one's going to have that content. I'm imagining you as a punt returner.
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It is. I didn't return a single punt or kick in my career, and I'm 5'7". I'm the first sub 5'10 receiver in NFL history who was truly just a wide receiver. I don't think you guys realize that. I was not a returner. I can't believe they didn't waive you. I know. But it was a bet I was willing to make.
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That might have been the wisest I've ever been in my life.
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So here's what happened previously to even me getting to Cincinnati. Lockout happened and I had signed with the Rams. And I got cut on day one. And I had a great practice. The one thing that happened in practice one is I dropped the punt. So if I'm the Rams and you might be thinking, oh, he's 5'7 and he dropped two punts. And I'm like, well, maybe that's why they cut me.
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Won't make that mistake again. Get to Cincinnati. Not in a game, brother. Go out there and return. Absolutely not. And it was a thing. Like Marvin Lewis, the special teams coordinator, the receiver coach, they're like trying to convince me like, hey, you don't know how bad of a light this is putting you in. But I had to bet on myself in that moment.
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Yeah, we played in that one a lot. Very exciting. You have Pittsburgh ties, right?
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Absolutely. It needs to be a movie.
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I've been thinking about this a lot, actually. Leonardo DiCaprio I think would be great.
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I don't know about Carnegie. Tom Hanks, also. I don't know if you've heard of these actors.
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Yeah, and it'd be great to get them both in there. There's a lot of white guys. Plenty to go around.
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Everyone is so lost right now, Jessica. Me and you know what happened.
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The rest of the world needs to understand that this was the biggest natural disaster on American soil until Hurricane Katrina in my hometown. Okay? Okay.
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Now I feel at home, Jessica. Thank you, Dan. You're welcome. You should be more like Jessica. She knows how to welcome me in.
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I would imagine.
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Yeah, that's a great question. And you know what I love about this show is I can be honest. I don't I'm not honest anywhere else as much as I am here. I hated bowl games.
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What was the swag bag like for the GMAC Bowl? I think for the GMAC Bowl, we got a, this is an old time. It was like a portable DVD player. Nice. We got a camcorder for, actually no, we got a portable DVD player and a camcorder for the Motor City Bowl, which is my freshman year. We went against Dan Orlovsky, torched us.
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Oh, he's pissed. He's pissed. He is. His team had just lost, too. I mean, they took an L. Look, I'd be lying if I said I never thought about leaving mid-game. Really? I mean, we had some bad losses in my day. When you say quit, you mean quit your career? Yeah, like maybe this is the minute. Maybe this is the minute I'm done. Right here.
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In year two, we went against Jordan Palmer and the UTEP Miners, I believe is their mascot. And they gave us like a designer hammer. And I'm like, okay, this is, I'm good on bowl season. They elongated our season, You practice for a month and a half after your season is done. A hammer? They gave you a hammer? They gave us a hammer, man.
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I don't know what the hell it was, but I didn't play in another bowl game for the rest of my career, and I didn't lose a night of sleep.
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I mean, I wouldn't throw the game if that's what you're asking.
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Also, I don't know if you've been to Toledo, Ohio. Oh my God, are you kidding?
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It is miserable. Perrysburg? And we didn't have an indoor facility. This is the Mac conference we're talking about.
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I've never been to the science museum. No, we're just practicing in the snow for an extra month and a half. Only to go get whooped by whatever six-round quarterback. To get hammered and to get hammered. Both. Yes. It was miserable.
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Yes, absolutely.
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No, that's your business. Are you in the business of not getting a career? I'm in the business of not losing my career. So I got to go. You're on the practice squad. I wasn't yet. So what career did you have? I can promise you, had I went in there and dropped a punt, I would not be sitting at the – I can guarantee you, David, had I got in there and dropped a punt against the Carolina Panthers –
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In my second preseason game of my rookie year.
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I'll never make a mistake twice.
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But you can fantasize about it. You've never fantasized about quitting a job? Come on, nobody in here fantasized about quitting their job in the middle of a work day.
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Yeah, I think this is it. It's too good now. Yeah. I need misery. And actually, my first practice in New England, it snowed. It was May 28th. So there is that.
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Absolutely not. That's not how that works.
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One catch for one yard? You don't want zeros. One catch for one yard is just as bad as all zeros, but all zeros shows that you played and didn't get a catch.
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I think I've had games with negative receiving yards. Can we check the stats on those?
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Exactly.
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You know why I'm not in the box score, Jessica? Because you went return a punt?
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Because I broke my back the game before and I did not play in the bowl game. That's one year. What about the second? The first year, it's zero catches, zero yards. Because I did play in that game.
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That was a tough game.
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We lost our number one receiver in Lance Moore. Bruce got hurt. Bruce Gretkowski. We were loaded with NFL talent.
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I know it's like, man, I can't believe you've done that. We've all had this fantasy before of just being like, you know what? To hell with this, bro. I'm going home. You know what I'm saying? Do you always act on it? No. How about ever? Did you ever act on it? I've never acted on it.
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Parmelee?
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I was in the slot.
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We got dudes. I would argue we are a top 50 program in the last 40 years.
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I understand Mike Tyson.
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This sport hurts, man. It's more dangerous to go in than for me to walk off the field. Look, now look, I have told a coach I'm not going in before.
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It was not against the Steelers.
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I'd be in a lot better situation health-wise right now. Wait, so you told the coach? Yeah, I told the coach I would not do that. Really? Now, I don't know what the situation is with Campbell, right? And I know it looks terrible. And it is terrible. If I was his teammate, I would also be pissed. Like, you think we wanted to go in, bro?
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I'm just saying let's take a moment. to try to understand this situation. You have a girl. No moments. A guy did your girl wrong in her previous relationship. And you come in and save the day. And you've been the best boyfriend that anybody could ask for. I know where this is going. All of a sudden, ex-boyfriend comes back around and says, I've been working on myself. I went to therapy.
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I'm a different person now. And she says, you know what? He was my first love. I'm going to give him a chance.
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Within the first week, he's back to his old tricks. And she comes crawling back to you, David. And she says, you know what? I need you. I'm going through a tough time. Things didn't go the way we planned. And you know what? I realize now you're the one I want. You're going back in that game?
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It depends on- She's not. It's a lot of money.
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Here's the thing. I completely agree with everything every player has said. I completely agree with what you guys are saying. I think this is one of those moments in sports and football where everybody is going to be on one side because it's clearly the right side. To his point, it's hard to win football games when guys don't want to play football. Devil's advocate. Yes.
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He's actually doing the 49ers a favor. Really? Because this is the conversation versus how terrible they've been playing. So they should be thanking him for giving them this out at the end of a game because that was a horrible football game.
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I wrote it down, yeah. I do think it's a microcosm of what's going on in the 49ers. I think they have aging superstars, and you just can't run that kind of positionless offense and style when guys are hurt and routinely injured and not playing well. I mean, Deebo's asking for the ball, and he's dropping what seems to be a touchdown pass at moments. Like, yeah, this is a microcosm of what—
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the state of the 49ers is. And again, I know we're all joking here, but that is bullshit. To quit a game, there is an accountability that happens with the football team. You hear it in Kittle's voice, and you expect the guy next to you to be as locked in as you are. We're going to do everything we can to get a win.
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We're going to come in here, and under any circumstance, even if it's the littlest contribution, we're going to do whatever is needed. And clearly that wasn't the case. Now, again, he might be going through something mentally. We've seen moments where guys have left mid-game. You know, this is probably closer to the A-B situation than the rest in peace Vontae Davis situation.
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Because it just felt like mentally Vontae Davis just wasn't in that moment, end of his career. You know, it was like, this is too much. I've moved cities this many times. Where A-B's was very similar to this. He wanted the football. They weren't giving it to him. They told him to go in. At the end, he was like, no. You didn't give me the ball, I'm not going. And this feels more like that.
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You don't expect it from a 31-year-old linebacker who's been in this league a long time. Thankfully, he kept his shirt on.
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No, I wouldn't say that because then we didn't know. We didn't find out until after. I wish you would have because we made it a little more interesting.
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In the rain, yes.
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Yeah, it was garbage. And, I mean, there's garbage games on Sundays as well. Now, look, my take when I was in the league on Thursday night football, I hated them. I mean, they were the bane of my existence. The two things I hated most in the NFL were Thursday night football games and joint training camp practices.
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Because joint training camp practices are a sneaky way for teams to add, like, three preseason games. Because you go harder in those joint practices than you do in the games because you're there and you're like, okay, I'm practicing against the Bills. I might be a free agent next year or this year.
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So we're like literally competing for two coaching staffs to show what you have on like a, oh, this is my chance. And guys go way too hard. And then you play. Play that team again. Because they're looking for a job.
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Yeah, I mean, that's valid. How about the glass half full? We're sitting here being so negative. That's the part I didn't mind. But it is hard to get up for a Thursday. Now, here's the other part for players. Like, everything feels like the worst thing in the world. Until you're in it.
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As an old person in the league, when the Thursday night football games were coming around, I was like, this is crazy. This is terrible. But then over time, the young guys didn't care because it's just life to them.
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The old guys feel it. The young guys, I mean, when I was 23, 24, I didn't even warm up, bro. I just walked out to practice.
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And I'm like, you're putting on Bengay before practice? How old are you, dude? By the time I was 30, I'm hot tub, cold tub. You're bathing in Bengay.
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Heat pack. Ice pack. 17 Advil.
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Meditation moments. Insoles in the shoes. Tort all. Green tea. Greenies. No, this is no bullshit. I would leave our position meeting. My receiver coach let me out of my position meeting 20 minutes earlier just so I could go through my routine to be ready for practice. That's how old I got.
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I say dome every NFL stadium. Nobody likes that take, but... Grass?