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All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
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All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
Ever wonder what bridges the gap between your favorite film genres, subgenres, and movements? CinemaScope is here to explore these connections, taking you on a thrilling odyssey through the ever-evolving art of cinema. I'm your host, Andy Nelson, and in each episode, we embark on a deep dive into the forces that sculpt the world of film.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
From the styles you know and love, like heist films or the French New Wave, to the ones you may not be as familiar with, like Turkish Yeşilçam or Brazilian Nordesterns, My expert guests and I unravel the complex tapestry of storytelling style and innovation that defines the world of film as we unpack the myriad catalysts of change that shape these diverse styles.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Humility: Because Sometimes You Gotta Eat That Pie
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All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Patience & Kindness: The Two Heavenly Virtues of Not Being a Big Dumb Jerk
Before we dive in, here's another show you can enjoy in the True Story FM family of entertainment podcasts.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Patience & Kindness: The Two Heavenly Virtues of Not Being a Big Dumb Jerk
Ever wonder what bridges the gap between your favorite film genres, subgenres, and movements? CinemaScope is here to explore these connections, taking you on a thrilling odyssey through the ever-evolving art of cinema. I'm your host, Andy Nelson, and in each episode, we embark on a deep dive into the forces that sculpt the world of film.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Patience & Kindness: The Two Heavenly Virtues of Not Being a Big Dumb Jerk
From the styles you know and love, like heist films or the French New Wave, to the ones you may not be as familiar with, like Turkish Yeşilçam or Brazilian Nordesterns, My expert guests and I unravel the complex tapestry of storytelling style and innovation that defines the world of film as we unpack the myriad catalysts of change that shape these diverse styles.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Patience & Kindness: The Two Heavenly Virtues of Not Being a Big Dumb Jerk
Whether you're a student of film, a creative professional, or simply a devoted movie enthusiast, CinemaScope is your gateway to a richer, more immersive film experience. Don't just watch movies. Understand them, appreciate them, and revel in their artistry with CinemaScope. Subscribe today.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Lust: The Guiltiest Party
Before we dive in, here's another show you can enjoy in the True Story FM family of entertainment podcasts.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Lust: The Guiltiest Party
Ever wonder what bridges the gap between your favorite film genres, subgenres, and movements? CinemaScope is here to explore these connections, taking you on a thrilling odyssey through the ever-evolving art of cinema. I'm your host, Andy Nelson, and in each episode, we embark on a deep dive into the forces that sculpt the world of film.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Lust: The Guiltiest Party
From the styles you know and love, like heist films or the French New Wave, to the ones you may not be as familiar with, like Turkish Yeşilçam or Brazilian Nordesterns, My expert guests and I unravel the complex tapestry of storytelling style and innovation that defines the world of film as we unpack the myriad catalysts of change that shape these diverse styles.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Lust: The Guiltiest Party
Whether you're a student of film, a creative professional, or simply a devoted movie enthusiast, CinemaScope is your gateway to a richer, more immersive film experience. Don't just watch movies. Understand them, appreciate them, and revel in their artistry with CinemaScope. Subscribe today.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Greed: The Dopamine of Desire and that New iPhone Smell
Before we dive in, here's another show you can enjoy in the True Story FM family of entertainment podcasts.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Greed: The Dopamine of Desire and that New iPhone Smell
Ever wonder what bridges the gap between your favorite film genres, subgenres, and movements? CinemaScope is here to explore these connections, taking you on a thrilling odyssey through the ever-evolving art of cinema. I'm your host, Andy Nelson, and in each episode, we embark on a deep dive into the forces that sculpt the world of film.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Greed: The Dopamine of Desire and that New iPhone Smell
From the styles you know and love, like heist films or the French New Wave, to the ones you may not be as familiar with, like Turkish Yeşilçam or Brazilian Nordesterns, My expert guests and I unravel the complex tapestry of storytelling style and innovation that defines the world of film as we unpack the myriad catalysts of change that shape these diverse styles.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Greed: The Dopamine of Desire and that New iPhone Smell
Whether you're a student of film, a creative professional, or simply a devoted movie enthusiast, CinemaScope is your gateway to a richer, more immersive film experience. Don't just watch movies. Understand them, appreciate them, and revel in their artistry with CinemaScope. Subscribe today.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Before we dive in, here's another show you can enjoy in the True Story FM family of entertainment podcasts.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Ever wonder what bridges the gap between your favorite film genres, subgenres, and movements? CinemaScope is here to explore these connections, taking you on a thrilling odyssey through the ever-evolving art of cinema. I'm your host, Andy Nelson, and in each episode, we embark on a deep dive into the forces that sculpt the world of film.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
From the styles you know and love, like heist films or the French New Wave, to the ones you may not be as familiar with, like Turkish Yeşilçam or Brazilian Nordesterns, My expert guests and I unravel the complex tapestry of storytelling style and innovation that defines the world of film as we unpack the myriad catalysts of change that shape these diverse styles.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Temperance: A Surprisingly Progressive Crusade
Whether you're a student of film, a creative professional, or simply a devoted movie enthusiast, CinemaScope is your gateway to a richer, more immersive film experience. Don't just watch movies. Understand them, appreciate them, and revel in their artistry with CinemaScope. Subscribe today.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Well, so robot helped just a minute ago, but not really. Right. Because this whole idea of being resentful or aroused by someone else's possessions, qualities or luck, that's envy and jealousy. Protective or vigilant of one's rights or possessions. There are a lot of the same words in there. Yeah.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Well, and that's why a lot of the therapists, behavioral scientists... are calling out jealousy when it involves humans, like the sort of traditional triangle of jealousy in relationships, right?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yes.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I think envious. Okay, I'll come. I think because... I don't know. This is such a weird question. Like, oh, I really want to be one or the other, which I don't. I don't love either quality in myself. Yeah. But envious because... I don't like what jealousy does to my most important relationships. Go more into that. Well, I have been in the past a jealous person.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I don't think I'm a jealous person now. And part of that is having been in a relationship for 25 years. So I think we're beyond it.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Until my neighbor gets a convertible. And so, but I do know what it feels like. And I have those really, you know, we did the whole thing on regression. And this is one of those experiences when I can put myself in a place of being furiously jealous and making up some incredibly impossible stories in my own mind that are rooted in jealousy and are fabulously untrue.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yeah, right.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yeah, right. I know how to make up really dark stuff.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Doesn't that make you a miser, though, kind of?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
14.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I've been thinking about it as we've been going into this, as I've been prepping for this show.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And it, it fascinates me the nature of learning pride, particularly because there are, there are associated words with, you know, pride, like, and you know, there's just, it started because there's this researcher who, who put these, this table together and these words for both authentic and hubristic pride. Those are sort of the two flavors and the words I find interesting because I
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And I wonder how I learned to internalize a subset of these words when I was a kid, because that's it feels like when you learn to be proud of what you do. Right. As you said, when your dad said, I'm proud of you, son. And, you know, what are the kinds of activities that you did that led to that? something happened that you could be proud of. And I didn't really play sports.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I was not a sportsman in my youth. I did play soccer on a... I think I talked about this. I played youth soccer on a very winning team, but played a goalie on a very winning team and never really played. I just stood there and... And so I had nothing to be proud of.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I didn't feel like I ever earned a win as a part of that team and didn't play long enough to really get good at it to feel like I was accomplished. By the time I was in high school and started performing more regularly... I think I started getting the hang of it, but didn't quite understand why. You know what I mean?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Like I didn't have a whole lot of those very early days of doing something that both I felt good about having done and other people told me I should be proud of what I just accomplished. And so I would be on stage and I would perform, but I had no idea like why if I did well, I didn't know how to rationalize that in my life.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yes. OK, that's a really interesting thing. And I as you know, I'm a brand new fan of Formula One racing and I'm loving it. And the guy that there are like there are people there are athletes in the cars that exemplify this. And it is fascinating to me to see how these guys have grown up and become people that I like to watch win versus people that.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
win and i hate to watch right well and in a sports context like when i watch lewis hamilton win in mercedes it is he always comes back around and says yeah i know i'm a real fan i know i love it no i'm so excited
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And I watch him against like, I got really excited and I went back and watched an old race yesterday and to watch him win and hear him say, I am just like honored by the other people in the field. And I'm honored by to be here. And the team is amazing. And I just, I feel like as such, such an honored representative of, Right. Right.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
A mistake is a mistake, and to carry pride over as an excuse becomes arrogance and narcissism. That gap is defined to me as narcissism, and I think that is a really— That has been a really interesting thing. And I've never had that as a kid. Like, I never grew up with that kind of experience as a role model.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
It took me, I feel like, a lot of time to figure out that those words exist and define a feeling that I would experience at some point. So Dr. Tracy, in 2007, presented this list of sort of words.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
well there are two things uh eagle-eared uh listeners will note that just putting pride and envy in one episode does not actually make up for our total of 12 episodes the math still doesn't work out so i just want to say don't worry we've got you and we've done there are more shenanigans to come this season so just wait for more shenanigans later right that didn't And I was so excited about it.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Did you already bring that person up?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Dr. Tracy is the author of the journal article, The Psychological Structure of Bride, A Tale of Two Facets, in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, and presents this table of words. And I really like the sort of... antithesis buried in this table.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Under authentic pride, that comes from somebody who feels accomplished or confident or triumphant, somebody who is a, quote, winner, victorious, achieving, honor, right? These are all words of internal strength that comes with authentic pride. And hubristic pride, arrogant, conceited, cocky, stuck up, boastful, haughty, egotistic, self-righteous, pompous, pretentious, like
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
All of those words that indicate a sort of a pretender and what the research came out, Dr. Tracy's report says these findings show that authentic pride is associated with high self-esteem, whereas hubristic pride is associated with low self-esteem, high narcissism, and a tendency to experience shame. And I think that is fascinating.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Well, and here's another piece that I feel like my sense of reading this is when I see somebody who like Lewis Hamilton, who is incredibly well accomplished, well spoken, has a fantastic family life, all this stuff. that when Lewis wins a race, the pride is the pride about the accomplishment and that's it, right? Like that's the end.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
That experience doesn't have to do the heavy lifting of low self-esteem, right? And so somebody who has low self-esteem comes off as arrogant and cocky because they need that win, the thing that they just accomplished to buoy so many more aspects of their personality.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yes. That is my new kind of awakening to what this looks like is that it just has – cockiness and conceitedness is doing more sort of psychological work.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I can't believe this was written in 2007. Yeah. And the final quote, like, in fact, narcissism is associated with a discrepancy between low implicit self-esteem and high explicit self-esteem. In other words, a trademark of narcissism is that deep down on a non-conscious level, narcissists experience high levels of shame and low self-esteem.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
To compensate for these negative evaluations of self, they express an inflated conscious self-esteem.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Oh, all right. Well, I'm not a listener.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
It makes me rethink so many parenting decisions that I've made. About how to motivate your kids. About how to motivate my kids, yeah. And I think that's one of the things like parents will know. It's hard in the moment to think about those things because you're like – you're not naturally attuned to celebrating. It can feel like celebrating with faint praise. Right.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
A kid because what you want is to aspire them to be really great and have great taste and And that it's sometimes you just have to say you did a good thing. You're good at that, what you did. And in your head, you're saying you're great at that as a six year old. Right.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And so we are going to talk about other stuff. That goes without saying. Yeah. So that's number one.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And and we had this I had this conversation with my son because we still have in our bedroom. An actual work of art, a square canvas that is 10 inches square of something that he had painted when he was very young. And he said, that is—he's standing in my room the other day, and now he's like going on 18. And he said, that is an objectively bad painting. Yeah. Objectively.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
He said, why is that still hanging in your bedroom? I said, because it reminds us that the six-year-old who painted that. did a good thing. The six-year-old who painted that loved it. And that was the level of the six-year-old's taste and aspiration. And then it was great. And today, when we look at it, it reminds us of that feeling. Right. Not of what you could paint today. Right.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And he said, I probably couldn't paint that today. Right. Let's just say in the intervening years, he hasn't spent a lot of time painting. But that's the idea. And when he was six, I wonder if I, like, would he have painted more in the intervening years if I had told him more assertively, that's good. You're good. You have something to be proud of and see what happened.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Do you still love your children, Pete?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
They're really busy and gone most of the time. And as you know, when they're not right in front of me, I forget about them.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Well, listeners know that the first thing I'm going to fill my children's abandoned room with are files. You love files.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
We've known each other for like nearly 30 years and you know me and my file habit.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
You know, one of the things that I think is really interesting, it's something you brought up in the last break, which is, you know, breaking these things apart. And it gets to one of the things we talked about in the Envy podcast. which is malicious envy, which is kind of the dark side of envy.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Tom has chosen the choicest cuts.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
It's when you could be jealous of somebody because of their success in a way that is healthy, and you can also be jealous to the point that you want to dox them and bring them down to your level. And I think that's the lesson of both of these things, right? Like both of these elements, envy and jealousy and pride, which is like to, you know, what have I learned?
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Well, be aware of my dark side because I think everyone's got it. And, you know, we'll put that in a file for sure.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I may have included some fat. Yeah.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Well, that was really fun, Tom. I'm glad we went down memory lane. And, you know, as avid non-listeners of our own podcast, sometimes it's fun to go back and hear what everybody else is hearing.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
next week we are talking about temperance tom temperance real quick what is temperance um it's the my guess is it's the opposite of gluttony Is that right? Maybe not. You know, it's funny. The dictionary definition we'll have to check with Robot to confirm next week, but absence from alcoholic drink is one of them. Oh. Oh, so it's just being sober? It's moderation.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yeah, sure. Um, okay. So this is another thing that's a little bit complicated because when you look at the, the pairing of, um, you know, the sins and virtues, uh, Pride and envy don't pair with each other. Right. Because they're both sins. Yeah.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
The quality of moderation or self-restraint is the second definition to teetotaler.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
That's it. It's clips all the way down.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Thank you all so much for hanging out with us. We appreciate you. This week's tune is Make You Mine by Mina.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And I'm Pete Wright. See you next week with all the feelings, sins, and virtues. Go keep an eye on them.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Well, we would say that.
All The Feelings • The Sins & Virtues
Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
So, you know, how do you just before I start telling you about what I picked, how do you put together these two pride and envy? How do you make sense of them as a dynamic duo of sins?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Well, and that's what we get into with Envy and where I pick up. And actually, if you listen to the show, I'm doing it out of order. Because as we talked about the show, we talked in the second half of our Envy show about why humans are jealous. And... It turns out we may have had to wrestle a bit with some of the anthropological sort of history, but it turns out we got there.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
We figured out why humans are jealous. And that's where we go with my first clip. Welcome to the first clip of the clip show. Why are humans jealous? I would like to know if you have any insight Before I tell you that there is insight and an answer, I'd like to know if you get it right. Why are humans jealousy? Jealous.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yeah. Now I have to leave that in. You made a joke about it. Now I have to leave it in.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Evolutionarily. Why are we jealous? Because does it make any sense to you intuitively even? Even if you can't put words to it, does it make sense why we are jealous?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I love that you went with rock and or stone as the root of all jealousy. You know, it's funny that there are people who really believe very stridently, stringently, assertively, all of those, that jealousy is a cultural construct that without jealousy, like the modern sort of Anthropocene complications, we would not know jealousy. There would be no reason for jealousy. Okay. Right?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
That humans, the only reason jealousy can exist is because humans are a constituent element of it. I see. Got it. Right? And yet... Behavioral scientists have really come down to the following logic.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
From an evolutionary perspective, jealousy is very likely to have developed as a mechanism to mate-gate, to protect pair bonds that are important for successful reproduction and child-rearing, encouraging partner fidelity... helps ensure a male's genetic lineage is passed on and prevents, or at least absolves, small microcultures of genetic complication. Got it.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
When jealousy exists in a community, partners are more likely to stay partnered with each other and not co-mingled genetic nonsense.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
It could very well describe a lot of single-partner creatures, right? A lot of animals are single-partner animals, and they do, in fact... Stick with swans, right? Like swans are notoriously single partner, even though they do. They have been known to sleep around swans. Actually, apparently, according to biologists, do sleep around and it is measured in males.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
They are incredibly jealous, incredibly jealous creatures when their single mate sleeps around on them. Can you imagine? I want to be the guy who does that research. I want to do the jealousy research on swans. It's amazing that that even exists.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And can you guess how jealousy manifests? And this goes back to the evolutionary perspective too, weirdly, how it manifests in male-bodied people versus female-bodied people.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Over what specifically? What behavior makes men jealous versus women?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
It's sex. It's always sex, Tom. You said knocking pigs over with penises. I did. It's the sex. That's how you use sex, right? Yeah. You just slam around stuff. What about women?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Emotional connection. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that is how it is described. Like that is that is how jealousy is generally described between the, you know, across the broad swath of research that exists historically not addressing the complicated nature of sex and gender today. I don't think there's a lot of that research. I could not find a lot of that research.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
But when we're talking about sex and jealousy, women tend to get jealous when their single partner has an emotional connection with another person, and men get jealous when their partner has sex with another person. Now, you would think that the corollary is that women are not as jealous when men actually have sex, that it's just a sex thing, and that
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
The opposite would be true, that men would be okay with women having emotional connections with other men. I didn't find anyone that said, oh, yeah, that's totally true. That doesn't seem to be true. Right.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Right. So I thought it was really interesting when you add the because a lot of people, especially in the comments, I read it, come back and say, but what about the tribes or cultures like in Uganda that are polyamorous or the Inuit people, which have a practice, a general accepted practice of sharing one's wife? Right. I didn't know that. Apparently they do. OK.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And so I'm curious what your thoughts are about those things. Do you have any speculation as to as to what might what might be true in respect to jealousy in those communities? No, it's not good. It's not a good thing. Right. Because you use this on the surface. You use it as a as a cultural guard. Right. That says, OK, humans are we it's our culture that makes us jealous, not anything else.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
But in truth, when you look at this is the research that I thought was really interesting, that infidelity. In groups like the—hold on, I have to scroll. I've lost my point. There it is, bingo cards.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
I actually have to Command-F and find Inuit. It was up higher than I was even looking. No, that's not fair. I wanted to make this point 15 minutes ago. Okay. So for those who argue that jealousy is a cultural invention and using the ammunition of societies like the Inuit, it is really interesting because the outcomes of those –
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
don't address the fact that for the Inuit, a wife-sharing relationship is an act of extraordinary and painful generosity, right? That it is – the actual sharing is it's a massive gift that you're giving to someone else to share your wife and not something made easily or commonly.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
And – Also, spousal abuse is very, very high in communities with polyamorous relationships. It's much higher than in monogamous relationships.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
So I thought that was really interesting. Did you agree? I totally do. And we got there. That was exciting. Yeah, we got there. The second piece that I think is really important is where we started. And this is where you wrestled the most, which was how do we talk about envy?
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
Yeah. If you are like me, you say things on the podcast and then you immediately move on to a different podcast and you don't remember what you thought about your perspectives. And I look forward to having you hear those again on this show. Okay, good. Just like I look forward to you hearing. It's possibly my favorite biblical joke ever.
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Feeling Green: Our First Clip Show! The Pride & Jealousy Review
of any joke i have made on the show i this is pride right here i am proud of the joke that i make and it's about cain and abel do you remember the joke i want to tell you i want you to hear it but i'm very very proud of this joke let's hear let's hear it the ultimate question for my part is going to be if you had to choose would you rather be envious or jealous