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You know, like, how dare you? Great job, Mark. I was like, great. Yeah, thanks a lot. You're a weapon. You're a weapon.

I've been beating this woman for years.

You know?

Because they come in and just go, I'm so fucked up.

One of them died in a plant crash.

And I remember thinking, because I was married at the time, I remember thinking my ex-wife secretly wanted to fuck him. Because he was like this big dude, work boots, the whole thing. So one day he calls me up.

Like, I was way more feminine than this guy.

But it just felt like, you know, I did feel a little deflated because I was like, oh, I got this hot chick checking me out. And then I'm like, oh, no, okay, it's not for the reasons I thought.

You can't do that.

No, we went to a hotel.

Can we take a break? Call my lawyer.

It's never pro bono, but that's how you get 50% off your fee. I'm going to give you my car. But they should.

Should he get a prenup? Of course he should have a prenup. All fucking three, all of you should have a prenup. Why? It's no fun. What do you mean?

I'm going to take it. More lead paint. More lead paint. Translate that. More lead paint. Translate that to going to Vegas and being like, I'm betting it all on black. How much? I don't know all of it.

That's fucking crazy.

100%.

Well, I mean, the marriage. She's like, I got this simp.

Just want to pick up. What does that mean? What does that mean? What I'm saying, what I... The dude in court.

You said she's thicker than a bowl of oatmeal.

So if your financial status at the moment you were getting divorced determined what your obligations were, everybody quit their fucking job the minute they were getting divorced.

Like, you work for Goldman Sachs.

Thank you.

The whole crew. They are. Please, I'm not the scavenger in this party. I don't make it rain.

Let's try.

Because everybody goes, they got a prenup. All right.

Our wives are going to watch this episode. He said something about Abraham Lincoln, very racist. You know, it was a whole issue. We had to cuss because we got two hands. Okay.

It's like, that might be your brand.

But all I'm saying is at least own it.

But I'm just the kind of guy who likes to... I don't go into the casino and go, yeah, I'll bet money.

I don't know. Whatever you guys decide. Like, that's fucking crazy.

I wish I didn't know that. I just thought it was nice. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah.

Let's just call that out. And sometimes they're wildly inaccurate. I get it. But sometimes they're a real time saver.

Thank you.

No, but for real, like political shit.

Yeah, free. Jesus. I cut my rate in half. That's impressive. That's only like 500 bucks.

See, it's not just Catholics. It's not just Catholics. Yeah, it's not just Catholics.

Like I got this guy thrown out of his house. I got I mean, I it happened to get assigned to a judge who I knew liked dogs, who had a court attorney who I knew liked dogs. So I just made a meal out of this like you would believe.

Oh baby, should I keep trying or leave? But I'm afraid to let go. Let go of what? What you know you don't want? Is having something that you don't want better than...

You know, those memories are my memories. And at the end of the day, it was real. It was real for me. So I get to keep them. Yeah.

But like, I had to wait, you know, a decade until I was ready to talk about it.

on the next episode of Betrayal. That evening, one of the strangest things happened. I looked in the mirror and I said out loud that he's not coming home. And I thought, my God, am I being dramatic? Of course he's going to be home. And I dismissed it.

What happens when we come face to face with death?

I think there were many individuals present. I don't know who pulled the trigger.

I think there were many individuals present. I don't know who pulled the trigger.

How much did your family know about your time in the mafia?

Please, man, no, man, please, man, no.

Oh man, I'm not good at this, man. Just whenever you feel like it, just start talking.

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Right now, you're playing cards.

What if anything? What if a bomb drops on your head right now?

Mr. McCabe, who was the guy that you were referring to? Does he have a name?

When you told the group, tell them the guy never went in the house, that was you talking about how you should all get your stories straight, correct?

You would agree with me that your stories are all straight in terms of the guy never went in the house, correct?

Well, when you said, tell them the guy never went in the house, Brian Albert was on that exchange still, was he not? He was still part of the group text? Yes, Brian is on the exchange. And Brian Albert was the one to respond, wasn't he? Yes, he did. And then at that point, you knew Brian Albert was the oldest brother of the Albert family, correct? Yes, that's correct.

The oldest sibling in that family, correct?

And in his response to your instructions that his younger brother, Chris, should say that John O'Keefe never went in the house or the guy never went in the house, you would agree with me that he responded with one word, correct?

And in response to you saying the guy never went in the house, Brian Albert's response was exactly that. Correct? Yes, that's his response.

Did you take the SIM card out of your phone, yes or no? I don't know. Did you testify that that's what you do when you get rid of phones, sir?

And you either cut up the SIM card or ripped it up, correct? Correct.

I'm asking you today, did you either cut up the SIM card or rip it up? Cut it up or broke it. And you will agree with me that cutting up or breaking the SIM card destroys the SIM card, does it not?

That would have been the purpose in terms of cutting it up or ripping it up, to destroy it, correct? Correct. Yes. And you wanted to make sure that somebody couldn't put that SIM card in their phone and potentially access your data, correct?

And you'll agree with me that you took that destroyed SIM card and put it in a trash bag, did you not?

Well, you used the passive voice. It went in a trash bag. Did it fly out of your hand unexpectedly into a trash bag, sir?

No, I understand. But are you reluctant to say that you put it in a trash bag, sir?

You also took your phone now without the SIM card and you put that in the trash bag, too. Did you not?

Then you drove to a military base and you threw both the destroyed SIM card and the phone into a dumpster, did you not?

Did you drive to it?

And then you put both the destroyed SIM card and the phone itself, which were in a trash bag, into a dumpster on that military base, did you not?

And as you were driving away, you knew that that destroyed SIM card and the phone would be gone forever, correct?

And before you drove away, you did not transfer anything from your old phone to the new phone, correct?

You lost all of your photos on that phone, did you not?

You lost all your videos on that phone, did you not?

You lost all of your other text messages besides the ones that you had with Karen Reed and John O'Keefe, correct?

And you knew that you did have text messages on that old phone with Kevin Albert.

You also had text messages on your phone with Nicole Albert.

And you had text messages on your phone with Brian Albert. Yes. It was important to you that no one see those text exchanges that you had with those three members of the Albert family.

When you told the group to tell them the guy never went in the house, that was you talking about how you should all get your stories straight, correct?

What I'm concentrating on now, sir, is not what your memory is today or what you testified to the jury today. I'm concentrating on what you told Michael Proctor that very day on January 29th, 2022. You initially told him that it was parked to the right of the house, the big dark SUV, and that you made those observations from the front door. And then you stated that

You looked out the front window and observed the same big dark SUV had moved to the other side of the property, correct? You would agree with me that you have contradicted yourself about how many times that it moved, correct? No. In May of 2024, yesterday and today, all three times it moved, it was moving further or farther up Fairview.

In fact, you've testified now in May of 2024 that the third time that you saw it, the black SUV was even past the fire hydrant. And in fact, when you were talking to Michael Proctor, you had just observed the black SUV.

Since you talked to Michael Proctor, it's fair to say that you've had multiple conversations about this case previously. course have talked about this case. Yes. You've also, since you talked to Michael Proctor, have had multiple conversations about this case with your in-laws, correct?

That also includes in-person conversations as well as phone calls and texts, correct?

And since you gave that statement to Michael Proctor, you've had multiple conversations specifically with Brian Albert, correct?

That includes in-person phone calls and texts, correct? That is correct. Would you agree with me that in terms of the changes in your version of events from what you've testified during this trial to what is in Michael Proctor's report, you put the SUV father down Fairview toward Chapman Street.

Now, your testimony during this trial puts the SUV past the fire hydrant almost toward the neighbor's house, correct? That is correct.

But however many times you saw that black SUV, you'd agree with me, you never observed any damage to the rear of that vehicle, correct? Correct. Never saw any damage to the rear right taillight, correct? Correct.

In that discussion at 3.03 p.m. and 15 seconds, it was Brian Albert who texted, quote, hope they don't think she's making it up after the fact for some reason, end quote. Correct?

And then less than a minute later, which is at 3.05 and two seconds, where he said, but if they barely interviewed her, that's on them. Correct?

On February 1st of 2022 at 12.51 and 49 seconds, you texted the group chat to say, ask Chris to ask some questions, correct?

And who was the Chris you were referring to?

That is correct. And then you then texted your wife, Brian Albert, and Nicole Albert, quote, tell them the guy never went in the house, correct?

I was just walking. You didn't talk to anybody? You want to bet?

Yeah. Where'd you see them?

They're walking up going, you got the forms? If you ain't got the forms to do this, you should not be out here chopping this fucking goat's head off.

What happened is I stepped on a landmine and it took out one of my lips.

For what must be done, must be done. Must be done. Okay, that's good. Yeah, that's my favorite. For what must be done, must be done. Someone bring me my sweatpants. the ding of the microwave. But wait, for I must wait an additional three minutes for it to cool down.

Now you persecute my saints. My torrents has been exceeded.

God coin would be the only authorized new currency of the new kingdom.

And then once you have the email, then you may become a protector of Rael.

Because you can't make God pay dues. Because he said, I was blackballed from the Freemasons for trying to tell the truth. So funny.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, she was.

Kangaroos?

Well, yeah.

Running back's political position. Yeah. Yeah. I was a very good running back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What kind of sicko?

Yeah, because it says there's, like, a lot of intention behind it.

Talk their language.

Interesting.

He's so mad about it.

I am so mad about this.

And that's how you do it. That's how you strive to be a better person.

Yeah. God damn it. God fucking damn it. Yeah.

Now, what is Mormon?

We're all in on it. We're all in on it.

Once you get the sweat ring around the top, you can't wear it. It's not nice anymore.

I got him again.

Hold on. I need to start over. I'm going to sit there. I'm going to do it again. I'm going to start over. Start the music over. Pack it up. Lower the curtain. It's a great big beautiful tomorrow.

So it's technically not the safest place.

This is literally what they've been prepping for. They should be excited.

They finally got the ball. And they're like, what do we do? I had the same thought.

You want a treat?

There's no place to escape to. This is the last podcast. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started.

I love rolls.

Gross. Yeah, yeah.

Most places are.

I mean, he's been on his national tour for the presidency for the last eight years.

Pretty close.

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Mr. Chen was only placed under NCIC hold, Investigator's hold at that point, but we came back and applied for an arrest warrant through the Hamilton County Magistrate's Office, at which point he was signed off for a breadth of time for criminal homicide.

We didn't stop until we looked.

Based on how they were captured from the device, it appears they were sent from Jason Chin's cellular device to that of Jasmine Pace's cellular device.

Correct. That's Jasmine's phone number associated at the top. It just doesn't have her contact name.

This is going to be the carpet section. from the bedroom. This is going to be the bathroom area leading into the bedroom. This would be the left-hand side. In earlier photographs of the original execution of the search warrant, the bed would actually have been located in this area right here.

That's correct.

There was a bed placed over top. The other things that are different at this time, at the time that the search warrant was executed, it appeared that the lights that were placed in there were aftermarket of some sort. They had a white hue to them, so it's not a very well-lit apartment. So a lot of things we did by way of flashlights at the time.

Once they reclaimed the apartment, they put new lights in there for the assistance of renovation, so it was a lot brighter.

What are we looking at in the center of this photograph?

What's the difference between the handcuffs and the shackle?

And it's not always like, I think Madison being a part of the show and what we deal with later sort of exemplifies that perfectly, but just like, I want you to be healthy. And I know that like eating certain things all the time is not going to lead to the healthiest outcome.

We'll be right back with more That Was Us.

I remember one year we all went down south. I think we were in Atlanta and we found this beautiful home and big family. We had about 16 of us all in this house and it had four stories and we were able to split it amongst ourselves and the family got a chance to be together. Little cousins playing with each other all under the same roof, ping pong table, foosball table, pool table.

It was absolutely perfect.

On today's episode of That Was Us, we'll be discussing Season 2, Episode 11, The Fifth Wheel. The Pearsons gather under unexpected circumstances. Jack surprises the family with a trip to the Poconos.

Let me do this little part because I think it's going to lead naturally into this therapy session, right? Because she's asked, like, why are we doing this? And she's like, you've been eating a lot of sweets since you've been here. And we just feel like, you know, you should try to move your body a little bit more. And I guess Mackenzie's face just... False. False.

Like, you see it instantaneously. Like, I thought you were on my side. Like, you're my dude.

That we go to do this thing, right? And then she just says, I won't eat more sweets. I just don't want to play. And she leaves, right?

Amen. Amen. The next thing that happens in that scene is Kev is left on the football field by himself as Jack runs after Kate and as Rebecca and Randall are just sitting there. reading their book, he just takes the football and chucks it out, right? And Rebecca sort of lays in like, bro, what's your problem?

Like quit being, and I gotta give like these younger versions of Kevin's, both Parker and Logan, like when it's time for them to be douchey, they're really good at it. You know what I'm saying? I was like, my God, you guys, I see why we had such a tough relationship.

At 13, he may not either because he still does crazy stuff.

Okay, then we fast, we go to the present, and we go to this therapy session, right? And Mandy and I were recollecting, like, this was one of the longest scenes that we remember shooting.

I mean, a lot of people. A lot of people, like eight pages, whatnot.

It may have been longer. And they'd run it as a one-er, and we would just do three or four.

Yes, yes.

And then we go into coverage, right? And I can remember watching this scene. It starts off in a very polite way.

It's funny, too, because Beth and Randall have a conversation earlier where he admits to how upset he is with the situation, especially with his daughter in the backseat of the car and whatnot. And Beth is, too. But he tells Beth, like, look, when I was at my lowest point, this dude showed up. He was there. And it's our turn to show up for him. And she's like, all right.

And I say, if ever it gets to a place where I don't know what I have to say, I'll just take a deep breath and I'll say, we're here for you, Kev. Right? And so you see Randall.

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You don't have to wait long at all. Kicked off. It's such a wonderful contrast between Chrissy and myself, and Kate and Randall. But she's just like, oh, Kev, I'm so sorry that I didn't see it coming. Missy and I just wanted to be here for you, et cetera, et cetera. And Randall, the whole time, is like... I don't have anything to be sad about.

She's on the verge of tears and Randall's like, can I leave? Because I don't want to be here to begin with. Once he really starts to deal with things and he starts to talk about his childhood and how he always felt like a fifth wheel. He said, Kate, you had dad, Randall, you had mom, and I always sort of felt left to my own devices, right? And then we chime in a little bit.

He says something about like, I'm an addict, right? Dad was an addict, and it's something that we don't really talk about that much. And Kate, I know how hard you struggle with food, and I know you be working real, real hard, but I think that you're an addict too, right? He said, we are a family of addicts. Yeah, we are a family of addicts. And Kate has this moment of like, why are you doing this?

And he starts, Kevin starts responding. He's like, no, no, not you. This woman over here.

Why are you picking scabs and trying to make things worse than what they are? And it's an interesting sort of moment because it reminds me, I have this conversation with you all the time. Introspection is not... comfortable and it's not like second nature for most of us. You know what I'm saying?

I feel like because we do this profession, we tend to do it a little bit more than the average Joe, but still it's not comfortable. I've had people tell me straight up, why would I want to bring up the past? Leave that shit where it is and keep it moving. You know what I'm saying? That's my background. You know, that's most people. You know what I'm saying?

Because it takes work to have to pick it up, look at it, examine it to make it truly dissipate.

Yeah. The trauma. I thought you meant just like America itself in terms of admitting its own past and sort of coming to terms with it.

So they delve into it and then he starts talking about mom. And what does he say about you that Randall's just like, pause, bro.

My favorite part about the end of that thing, Mandy, is you say, and you really do my husband a disservice by calling him an addict because he was so much more than that. Favorite part is.

So, Mandy. Hello. How we doing?

You look great. Sully looks great. Everybody looks so good. Thanks. I'm happy to be amongst you people.

Yeah. Yeah.

I was like, what's going on, man? No more Ron Howard. No more Sly Stallone. And now Q. Breakdown. It was uncomfortable to watch. Yeah. And it's interesting because they have these moments. And the big Kevin Randall thing happens late season five, four, five. Something like that. The front yard? Yeah, the front yard. Well, I had people just jumping forward to that.

They were like, you remember like the Jack and Rebecca scene in season one, like when they were arguing? Yeah, the fight. I had people tell me, I was like, that was worse. They were like, because they were like, that was thought about?

I must be doing something right. Amen. We're talking about the fifth wheel. We just finished our big three trilogy. We ended off with Kevin getting in a DUI, not an accident, but pulled over by the police.

That was like, nobody was drunk. Nobody was like, you know, it wasn't late at night. It was broad.

Someone had to drive somewhere. You know what I'm saying? So anyway, that happens in that therapy session and it just explodes all over the place.

Well, he pushes you. He says, just admit it, mom. You like Randall the best.

Right? Because you should like, what are you talking about? I love all my children the same. Oh, you can't be honest? You can't just say it or whatnot? And then you said, it's not that I like him or whatever. He was just... easier, right? He didn't abandon me immediately after his father died, right? And the air in the room, the wind is just like, even Randall, even Brian was like, damn.

And it was, okay, we're gonna sit in that for a little bit.

Handcuffed with my daughter. His niece. Tess, his niece, in the backseat of the car, right?

Let's go to a slightly lighter field. Let's go to the new big three. And how was it for you guys, for you and Sue and John, just sort of like getting the chance to kick it? It was a glorious day.

But it's funny too, because you and Beth, or Toby and Beth, I should say, are sort of talking about this, the no Pearson fly zone, right? And how like the Pearsons can talk to each other about what have you. And I don't know if you guys have, you have siblings. I can say whatever I want to about my brother and sister.

So we come to this episode. And what's the first thing that we see? They're in the past, in the background, in the past, I should say. Playing a little Monopoly.

if somebody else has something to say about my brother and sister, I'd be like, uh-uh. And it took, in the beginning of my marriage, it was a thing where like my wife would say something. I'd be like, oh, you real familiar. But I was like, oh, I share a bed with you. It should be us, right, doing that thing.

But that's what I think what they're talking about a little bit to the no-fly zone, because you know, you can't really mess with Kevin if Kate has anything to do with it, whatnot. And then the real no-fly zone is, man, look at that water. Sorry.

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It's a breastfeeding mom. You better get your water, girl. Look at this.

There is this no-fly zone. And you say, especially if you bring up Jack, don't ever talk about Jack. That's just the cardinal rule number one.

Right.

That's the pedestal that he is present.

Sue had like, she was in, I think was in the middle of throwing a dart and her head just went. And then Sully, I can't remember what you did, but you were like, are we going there? It's being talked about.

They got a chance to be the audience. Yes. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Those two for that moment with Miguel. And he's like, you know, because they were talking about being an outsider and not in the inner circle, right? Like that's just reserved for the inner circle.

Right. I've been outside of this thing the whole time. And that's okay. You know what I mean? Like the level of peace that Miguel has with who he is and how he feels. He's the Jedi.

It is part of our background.

I love that guy. It's really good. But I did love that moment for the audience and you guys' reactions to him dropping that bomb. It was like everything went quiet for a second. Because my best friend from St. Louis is like, Kel, I don't think I can like Miguel. I was like, I'm telling you, man, he's a really good dude. He got with his best friend's wife, man. Like, how are you going to do that?

I'll stick with the past storyline.

And I was like, yeah, but there's a whole, he's like, no, man. I think by the end, he came around, but it took a minute. Because America at that time that they said that, like everybody, you got that sense that they were like, can we talk about this?

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cross out all the numbers and figure it out on my sheet. Randall's getting glasses. He's concerned about his little Urkel jokes that could be coming. Rebecca and Kate, you can see there's this small thing of just trying to get her to eat as healthily as possible, right? You know, hey baby, let me give you an apple instead of whatever it was that you were about to ask for. Dad comes in.

So then we go, we catch back up with the big three again. Therapy session is over. Kev is sitting out on a bench overlooking the lake, just trying to, you know, collect his thoughts. His sister comes and sits next to him and there's an apology, you know, nobody wants to hurt anybody. And those two never, there's never real like super friction between Kev and Kate. Honestly, there's not.

The friction comes with your boy. Yep. The bros. With the bros. And I wind up sitting down and joining them too. And I was telling them, I was like, you know what would have been really cool is if somebody had just sort of videotaped our entire childhood.

And then that way, if one of us had a dispute about what actually went down or not, we could just go back to the videotape and we could see it for ourselves, right?

Objectively. Because right now, we only have our perspective, right? of how the childhood went down. Because in a therapy session said, I was there for your childhood, bro. It didn't seem that bad to me. And he says, but because of that, because I see your childhood differently, doesn't discount the way that you experienced it.

And he winds up telling him like, look, man, I wanted to be here for you today because you were there for me at my lowest point. And today I did a bad job. I was a bad brother and I'm sorry. And I really appreciated him saying it.

You know what it is? I feel like, I think we're all capable of it. I feel like ego sort of like gets in the way. And again, I've had this thought in my head and I said this on the podcast, they should apologize first.

Perspective. Like, you can't really understand what it is that you've gone through until you've got, like, 60,000 square foot view.

He's got great news. He's like, a friend of mine's got this cabin up in the Poconos. He's like, he's going to give it to us for time being. We'll pick up Kevin after we're there because he's at football camp. We're going to go have a great time. And we realized that they were talking about the Pearsons. The famous cabin.

I want to stick with the present for a second because that storyline with Kate and with Katobe, you wound up admitting to the new Big Three that you saw that your wife had been, you know, eating junk food and sort of hiding it from you because you were just talking about being on the outside and what you can't, have you got, what is it that you say?

Like, have you guys ever had something where, you know, you're supposed to know about or not supposed to know about it, but you wound up saying something about it? Anyway, when we leave the therapy thing, it's an interesting thing because you're about to broach the subject with her and she asks if she can say something first.

And she says, since I lost the baby, I've been eating junk food because it makes me feel good. But keeping things from you makes me feel really bad. And I don't want to keep anything from you anymore. And it's sort of that connective thing to dad taking you for ice cream. You guys, after preschool, I can remember this. Like at age four, I would go to Dunkin' Donuts with my dad.

He'd get a dozen donuts. Sterling Brown ate a dozen donuts. And that fills me with joy. So then you get older and you start eating a dozen donuts, thinking that you're gonna get that same sort of feeling. And you're like, oh man, I shouldn't, but I'm still doing it. And then at a certain point, you're like, you have to make a decision. Like, oh, this doesn't feel good anymore.

So maybe I should make a different choice. You know what I'm saying?

Well said, well said.

He says in therapy, okay, mom, name something that's just us. Not the whole family, not the three of us plus you, but like just you and me.

Maybe we should have. Yeah. So in the past, there's this thing where Randall loses his glasses, right? And he had just got them. Rebecca blames... Rebecca's like, Kevin, did you take Randall's glasses? Because if you did, that's really dumb. He needs his glasses. You know that. He's like, I didn't take them. You're like, okay.

You say okay, but you still kind of feel like maybe he wound up taking them.

Later on that night, I don't know if there's a storm going on outside. Yeah, there's a storm going on outside.

Kate and Randall are out of the room.

He wakes up and he sees Randall's glasses like underneath the bed. He goes to grab the glasses. His brother and sister aren't there. Goes into the parents' room and sees that his brother and sister are in the bed with his parents. And he's like... Figures. I guess this is just my life, you know what I'm saying?

So my man grabs a blanket, he makes a pallet for himself on the floor, puts the pillow down, et cetera. And as that's happening in the present, he's saying like, listen, man, I know... we had to have something together. I may not be able to think of it right now, but I'd like to think that we did. And he's like, yeah, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe we did. I'd like to think so too.

And you see Rebecca wake up and sees her baby boy on the floor. And she's like, well, I ain't gonna let him lay on the floor by himself.

Let me go lay next to him, put my arm around him and they just go to sleep. And that's when Brown cries.

That's what makes it even better.

Because it's like, you don't remember every single moment.

So my aunt would do that with animals. Just a quick sidebar. She would do that with animals and she'd do it with people too. She was a foster mother, right? But she was also at that time in her life, and she's spoken about this, was dealing with substance abuse issues. So every once in a while, like she'd have a foster child, but she also was dealing with her addiction.

He just can't remember it. I was about to say, in this moment, I was sitting here and I was like, what about when she took you to get that dang baseball card, boy? Don't you remember?

Yeah. It was a beautiful episode.

I remember shooting it. I remember shooting that therapy scene, how heavy it was, but how also the show always gave us... We all got to get such good stuff. Let me speak for myself. I was always just so... It was the perfect... One of the things I'm trying to say guys, it was the name of the show I feel was reflective in how everyone got to be reflected in the show.

Like you could have taken all the numbers on the call sheet and added them together and divided them by seven. And that's what it felt like. Like it felt like we were doing this thing together and everybody had the highest level of support because we just wanted to make the best show possible. Right? And like, when I'm watching like the new big three, I'm like, they killing it.

And we're in this therapy thing. It's like, we all get to kill it. Like everybody gets to eat.

She was like, hey, Arlene, would you watch the baby for me for a little bit? I gotta go take care of some business and was gone for a week. Yikes. And my mother called the social worker and said, this baby is with me. And that baby is my little brother, Robert. Stop. And then the birth mother got pregnant again.

It was just you in the therapy seat. I remember you telling me this call time, and I remember saying to Sterling Brown, I said, Sterling Brown, you will never complain about a call time.

Yeah.

We're going to the fan segment. That was a great talk. Everybody will be right back with more That Was Us. Gang.

Can I just say, we love our fans. We do. We love hearing from you and we love our fans. Yes. We love hearing from them and all the voicemails and messages that we've received, including more burning fan questions.

Let's do this thing. I'll do the first one. Okay. So this is from Jill. Oh, it's for me. Jill, my question is for Mr. Brown. Randall's glasses were such an interesting part of his character. Did they help you get into character when you put them on? That's interesting. Jill, I, from...

14 was i in high school yeah 14 to 30 i wore glasses yeah my you know not terrible eyesight but having tough time with the chalkboard and all that type of stuff then at age 30 i found lasik and if you're a candidate for lasik or whatnot It's a game changer.

It's a game changer because now at age 48, I still don't need glasses. I kind of need them every once in a while at night with the glare coming off of like stuff. But it was for the past 18 years. First, you have 16 years of like doing this all the time.

And like if you go play pool or whatnot, you have to do this, play basketball and put stuff in your eyes. And then all of a sudden they're gone. Yeah. Putting the glasses on actually did help me get back into character. Because you just kind of felt a little bit nerdier. Like Clark Kent. Like Clark Kent.

There you go.

Hmm.

And the social worker contacted my mom and said, would you like to take these two children? Because the birth mother had twins. And one of those twins is my little sister. The other one had SIDS, passed away. But I'm saying this to say that the reason why I have a little brother and a little sister is because I have an aunt who's similar to your father, but the next level. Very next level.

Anecdote, the first time I got deuced on by my child, we were in the back seat of my wife's car. She had gone to go grocery shopping. I was like, he was asleep. He woke up, right? And it started streaming out of the diaper and whatnot. And then you just kind of have this. And I was like, I had no, we had used up all the stuff. So I just had to hold him. And then I was like, okay, it has begun.

Fatherhood is real.

Nothing else you can do. Who cares about poop?

Here's a question from Myra. Given that the show follows various timelines and generations, how did filming work? Did you film the bulk of scenes with certain characters for a period of time and then later with others? Myra, that's interesting because when you watch a show, I think everybody's sort of deluded in the idea that you shoot sequentially and that it sort of happens.

No, you shoot out a location, right? You try to knock out a location so you can knock out every scene that takes place in Jack and Rebecca's house or every scene that happens in Randall and Beth's house. And then you try to move on to the next location. So whether it's in the past or the present, it's usually the location that mandates the shooting schedule.

They're saying, do you think like the storylines would have been different if we didn't have to address COVID in the show? And I think that the overall arc of the story was already sort of cemented. And we tried to figure out as gracefully as possible. How to incorporate. How to incorporate COVID into the show. But the storylines were going to be what they were.

I agree. This is a good one. You see this one by John? No. By John. I know that many of you directed episodes. How do you manage acting and directing at the same time, and how do you direct yourself? That's for you two right there.

I don't even know if...

Oh, you weren't in the episode?

This is my aunt, I love her.

She's been clean for decades now, right? And she's doing exceptionally well, but that's how I wound up with a little brother and a little sister. Wow. Wow. Yeah. How has that story waited until the 36th, 37th episode? This is the first time I've thought to bring it up. What you said to think about your dad?

Okay, well, let's do one more. Do somebody... This looks interesting. Quentin's question. Because he has like... Tarantino. He has exclamation points. Who wants to read it?

Are you an Avenger woman? Are you an X-Men woman? Like, what is your jam?

I know who she should be. If they get a chance to redo it or whatnot. I think Mandy could kill some Jean Grey. Absolutely.

They'll redo all of them eventually. And when they are, let them know. Mandy Moore, Jean Grey.

Listen, we're gonna do one more question. This is a question from Annie. How on God's green earth did Randall and Beth not have a spare room in that giant house?

Well, it wasn't a brownstone in the beginning. We moved to Philadelphia at the end of season two, beginning of season three.

No, this is a very good question because we had to put Kevin in the basement. William was sleeping in one of the girls' rooms. I feel like that house feels like a five to six bedroom joint. At least a four bedroom. And you're absolutely right.

Yeah.

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Poop ain't no thing. It's just a real quick one that we talked about. Yeah. You're not a real parent until you get deuced on, as far as I'm concerned. That's right.

Layer after layer. Okay, so where were we? First trip to the cabin. Jump up to Katobi. And it is the first time that you...

And not only was it super early, you killed it in this episode. She murdered it in this episode.

It was the coining of Katobi. That's right.

And it was also just sort of like seeing the new big three. It was nice seeing the three of you guys together. Yes.

The others. The others. What is this, Lost?

No, man. Find your push. Find your power.

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Guys, on YouTube, Sully is purposely fogging up his glasses by sticking his glasses into the cup of the coffee like this and then cover it up.

That's the point. Check us out on YouTube. But it is the first time that we hear the term Katobi. Because I think it had been termed online first. Yes. And then I think the writers were like, that's not bad. Oh, did they take it from?

And I love your enthusiasm. He's like, is that what we are now? Is that what we're doing?

I love a good couple name. I love a good one, right?

You get this, Crachel?

You keep going and I'll keep going. Okay. So she's saying how she hasn't talked to Kevin in over a month.

And you're saying that's how rehab goes, et cetera, et cetera. And so we realize now that he has been for a month in rehab, right? Packing snacks to go visit him on the plane. We're all going to go see him, see how he's doing, because I think he's supposed to be getting out, right? As they're leaving... Toby is taking out the trash. She's asked him to take out the trash. It smells like booty hole.

He picks up the trash. The trash bag rips and turns out- Did she say booty hole? No, she didn't say booty hole. I was like, that's what I remember in my head. His interpretation.

Anyway.

Yeah, there's like a KFC bucket and a couple of other things. And you see Tobe's sort of like, do I confront or do I sort of leave it alone for the time being? He decides to- Now's not the time. Now's not the time. He leaves it alone, right?

Randall and Beth check on Tess because since she's been in the backseat of a car with someone who is under the influence, they just want to make sure that she's in a good place. They don't know why she tried to leave in the first place. Obviously dealing with not having Deja in the house and feeling sad about it. But she says, I'm fine. I'm sorry. I know it wasn't the smartest thing to do.

You don't have to worry about me anymore. Okay. Family sees each other for the first time at the rehab center. I get a chance to hug my sister. Kate's wondering, hey, guys, you don't know how he's going to look. It may be terrible. And he's never looked better.

Mr. Hollywood just strolls out. Infuriating. Crushing rehab. Living the life. Charming people. Kate Burton, who the amazing actress that she is, joins us as Barbara the therapist. And she says immediately that like, you know, it might be easier if we do this just with the immediate family. So just your mom and your brother and sister.

And before anybody can really get a word in edgewise, Beth is like, yo, I never wanted to.

I think, I think they forgive you. Cause she was like, she was hysterical. What are we on loss? Cause they referred to the others, the others, the others. Yeah.

And you coined yourselves the new big three, which I think was pretty cool.

You hit that one out of the park. So let's go back to the cabin.

And it seems like every reference that Kate is sort of going through with regards to why she likes the cabin has to do with food. We make s'mores over here and dad goes to this ice cream place and dah, dah, dah. And so Rebecca's sort of clocking it, trying to find like, what's the right way to go about this thing? They had a little pow-pow Jack and Rebecca.

I was like, I'll try to get her to exercise more and do some things, et cetera.

Chase the ball. it's kevin and uh jack and and randall and mom are reading yeah they're playing football yeah randall and rebecca sitting next to each other just just having the best time reading in a good old book right and you see kate like hey man why are we going right back to your brother and mckinsey's like why am i doing all this like i don't even like this game yeah i don't like football

It was so awkward. Right? And so then he, this is okay. So I want to pause for a second on this particular storyline, because this is an interesting thing that I heard in the writer's room a couple of times in terms of, how do you best love your plus size family member? And what I mean by that is, do you feel like you have to bring it up? Do you have to talk about it? Like, do you encourage it?

Or do you say like, no, she already knows, they already know what they're going through, et cetera, is the most loving thing to be silent. And I ask that sometimes because I would go home into the world and they would be like, my question, people would ask me, is she well, right? Is she healthy? Meaning Chrissy. And I was like, she's as healthy as I know she can be, right?

And that's the answer that I gave to all those things. But I'm curious in terms of like this storyline in particular, as you see these two parents wrestle with how best do they help their daughter, right? To be the healthiest version of herself. Do you guys have any input experience with this conversation at all?

I feel you, bro. But let me tell you something. Dabble and dollop changed the game for me. It's not just bath time anymore. It's a full-on experience. All-natural, clean, vegan, tear-free bubble baths, body washes, shampoos, lotions, and even bath bombs. Without all the gross stuff. No artificial dyes, no parabens, no phthalates. Just pure, simple, good-for-your-skin ingredients.

It's a place of love. And that's the important thing to put in it. Not a place of judgment and sort of body shaming or anything like that. It's like, I want my child to be the healthiest version of herself. And I want to sort of break that apart from diet culture, which has a preeminent emphasis on thinness as the sort of... standard result of healthiness.

No! Bruh.

Whoa.

Bruh. Bruh. Bruh. Bruh.

You said who works?

You want to go save Erickson?

He's allowed to say the ish?

You got away with it, Jesse.

Y'all know what that means, right? Yeah. I'm telling y'all, from this point on, it ain't about catching y'all at home. If I catch you after nine, with your phone, you're fired. And take it for what it is. And I'm going to take what come with it. And I'll tell you what it is. So I'm telling you, from now on, if you get that tap from one of the managers, I'm not going to let you fight.

In the morning, you got to be hands on for real with these niggas. And these people are killing us on the internet with not being... No, that ain't my clip.

As soon as you get that door, turn your phone in. Why? Because you're on my podcast. The irony is somebody being on their phone recording this shit on his time. That's funny. That is the fucking irony. Now, what do you guys think?

If you don't put that fucking car back, sit your ass back down.

I do feel like Dorit talks a lot.

That's more fun to me, though.

Make it a little bit more interesting and say it was bitch instead of rude.

Okay.

He was in Footloose.

He is. I mean, especially if we're putting the two side by side. Thank you.

Confident to send you home next week.

Did you change your mind?

You have a waiter.

God.

Frock.

I thought it was the sink, sir. Sorry, sir. I thought it was the sink.

Is this not the vending machine? Yeah. Sorry, sir. I needed a Coke out of it. Wait.

Do you like sody?

It's like, how do you think you're going to get away with something like this? Like, you killed somebody.

Oh, yeah.

It was shocking. It was very shocking.

Right, right.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Mmm.

And how does that happen?

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

We ready.

That's the shit we used to listen to.

21-year-old Mark Zuckerberg turned his little web experiment into a very big business. It's called thefacebook.com.

Ja.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lock the gate!

Yeah, yeah.